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How to spot a synthetic biology unicorn - with Ali Tamaseb of DCVC
"The main takeaway or baby can use the study and debate. I use the study is the gone abroad. And my my horizons and broadened devait. I look at companies and say you know some people say you know all all. Mary founders kind of couples fail in starting company. And i have examples in my mind. No actually there is treating or correspondent mary honors and someone else comes and said if you wanna start a company insurance you need to be from the industry nights eight No actually i know. Ten founders ten companies in my mind didn't start this big so it's it's more on their kind of rejecting the negative lines. Dan helping create a positive marks. Welcome everybody to the syn bio beta podcast conversations with synthetic biology is leading thinkers on building a better world with biology. I'm host john. Kambas the founder and ceo of syn bio beta with tech meets bio bio meets this week on the symbian podcast with alabama. Said an associate at venture firm. Dc that data collective venture capital and the topic that we're gonna be talking about is finding these elusive unicorns. Ali is satisfied unicorn hunt you may know him from his amazing work on medium where he profiled super founders and we're gonna be talking about his technical strategy for finding super founders emerging challenges for founders looking at some of the synthetic biology investments and what are the emerging markets that. He's most excited about these days. I lee is an entrepreneur. A founder and a highly technical academic research alley has walked in the shoes of the scientists done entrepreneur and has firsthand experiences with the challenges that they face a dc. He works on a broad spectrum of areas ranging from computational health biology and cybersecurity. Ali received his biomedical engineering degree. From imperial college. London he did research in the fields of neuroscience and human computer interactions and he was an honoree of the british alumni award and imperial college presidential medal of asked any achievement. His work has been featured on the bbc guardian forbes telegraph and he's also spoken to ted ex before welcome ali and thank you for joining us on the podcast today. Thanks john. it's an honor to be here with you when your audience so tell us a little bit more about dc. And i guess. I should say full disclosure. We are colleagues. You're an investor. dc. I'm also an investor dc. I ran the synthetic biology seed investments for the fund. But for people who don't know. Dc deceived data collective What's it all about. Yes so these. Cdc is a silicon valley based venture capital firm investing in tech and data so any company. That's attacking a hard real problem with a machine. Learning data and very technical defensible scientific and technological assets We want entrepreneurs invest in companies. That are taking big shots. At massive problems were precedes eden series a investors so some of the d. c. Pont wed these basin shirts have you. Have you got one of those chats. Not i do not here. What's the what's going on behind base there on the t shirts i think the idea is and this is this. Is this from the day today. Oldies machine learning. Ai companies are most of them are using the open source tools. So they're not they're not inventing new things that back in the day couple years ago for five years ago when we were investing in a vertical. I d i. Companies these were on the forefront of the field and these academics were pushing a natural language processing deep learning into different fields and uber investing in those companies. That time so base theorem. I took a few classes and machine learning in college. I can't really remember much about him. Base there is this whole idea of Taking a sample set and then An comparing your your new Activity that you wanna learn about against the sample set and then updating the model as you talk through the through the equation is that right. Yes great so Data collective companies are all applying. These machine learning algorithms to these really complex data sets and their everything from planet labs to zion magen to pivot bio on all these companies a using these tools and huge amounts of data For some sort of proprietary at datacenter some sort of proprietary Learning that can be done from this giant datasets. Is that right yes. That's absolutely correct. So i think. A company like planet labs Embodies the vision of the cbc. So has it's hard. You're sending satellites imaging onto the into orbit two hundred plus satellites It's a hard problem. It's very technical. Challenge your collecting a new type of data sets and you're doing a lot of analysis. Sunday data sets to produce products to a lot of different industries. It's a massive company now. and basically you're replicating debt investments leases in a lot of different industries from construction and manufacturing logistics and biology in life sciences. Therapeutics every were you can invent and you can do something. New with science and technology to get a new data to produce new data and to apply machine learning deep learning through this data and producing products or crew. The current method. That's look dc dc's interested. What do you think osama the opportunities for entrepreneurs in this area these days. Well i think one one great thing is now there is money to go after things that are just not offer it not kind of tech tech and tech variety there sumani trillion dollar markets In the us and iran global in an industry in industries that have been less. focused on unless companies in them. Now there's money to fund them. I think super interesting to see companies in food and agriculture in construction in manufacturing in mining an lotto of trillion dollar markets. That have been on a Got it and what do you think of some of the biggest opportunities for investors. What i think it's it's it's probably the same thing now because this veal is rolling. There's no there's now there's now new new on north or coming after solving real and hard big tech problems dir drunk nurse coming out of convenient or people coming out of industry who are going into these other other larger markets in horizontal. Marcus trying to solve our heart problems. And i think because it's becoming cheap so it it became cheap through to start tech companies. Now it's becoming cheap to start companies in other spaces in biology life sciences and materials other industries because the infrastructure is being developed and this is an opportunity for venture capital investors to be able to have a large impact with a small pool of capital to create innovation and to create the next set of companies building impactful companies in progress. Can you give a couple of examples of which pieces of infrastructure. Thank available now that weren't available in the past to detect entrepreneurs. Yes sure let me give an example One of one of our companies that you probably knows well culture culture by sciences it's a fermentation zubayr from inflation company. It's like aws for fermentation. So if you take that company this is bringing the cost of synthetic biology information down and old these companies that are developing new the malian or basic mammalian products products can now use culture bioscience as if they were using aws as if they were relying on cloud to scale their manufacturing of synthetic biology products. Great excellent So i want to switch gears a second and talk a little bit about your work on super founders. This was a medium post that you published in december twenty eighteen and it just went viral What was the t. tell us. What what is this his article all about. What is a super founder. And tell us what handoff to you published it. Sure yes so this this is. This is a lot bigger than Bigger than an article for me. This is the project. I started two years. Before actually publishing the medium article ends and ongoing project there's kind of bigger announcements underway. But the whole idea was. I was entrepreneur. Before and then venture capitalist. Now one big question for me was what makes these unicorns. These billion dollar companies successful. And how did they look like in their early days in the first year even before starting actually big focus on who were these people in the founders before starting these companies what were they doing one year before starting this company and right at the time the company started what would the market like. was it. competition. Like how many times did they pivoted where they had the on worked at. So there is a two hundred and five uniformed companies founded between two thousand five and twenty eighteen And i basically started gathering data on all of these companies and this is not a not publicly available data set. you cannot go on base or any other A data set to together this data. I had to go through company by company founder by founder from a lot of different sources from link dane crunch bays and interviews online even reaching out to the founders asking questions doing research gathering about sixty five data points per company about their founders. About what they did before what they studied. Verdy work ho. It was relevant to their company and about early days of their company. How was the competition. What was the business. Model was pricing model. Honey thought about defensibility and competition and their funding and basically old. That happened in the early days. I gathered and quantified sixty five data points on each of these companies. So this is a massive data sets at. Gimme a lot of insight about These these companies. And i'm not trying to better understand them through. The first piece of this product was publishing some of those charts on medium. Which i was. I was glad to see. There was a lot of people who liked it. A event wirel- hundreds of thousands of people read. This article was shared oliver social media. Vedeno venture capitalist on north and not just within ourselves finale bubble all around all around the globe i was. I was seeing this article being translated in japanese in rabbit in a chinese and a lot all over the world people were translating the article looking at the grass and thinking with themselves. How can i be like these people like these superpowers. Fantastic and the sign cards. Everybody to google this medium post On super collander. The superfan is a data driven approach to uncover the secrets of billion dollar start ups and then the subtitle is. I spent three hours gathering data on billion dollar start ups. And here's a trend charts. You shouldn't miss. You're not going to believe number five. I'm jokin about the not going to believe number five but it really is amazing and And and so you've got How many different takeaways have you got in this article. I think i public fifty got it. So i wanna go through a few days because they are fascinating but before. I do If you if you were to rewrite this article now what the top ten takeaway points pay the same I think so. I mean the the order in the article is not not the door of importance There is a conclusion. There's five key take aways at the end. The order is the kind of chronological order for me. Like from founders. And what they've done before too early days of the company to business model competition funding follow on funding and going back so it kind of follows. This story off Founding company That these charts data points but the key takeaways are different from each seconds so two or three is the most common number of co-founders in accompany more than half of the founding. Ceo's over thirty five years old founding cto's and cso's have an even wider age distribution So it's it's really full of Some really juicy tidbits so what were the the five takeaways that That you that you gleaned from this. Yes so one of them. is basically industry relevant. So this is the main misconception that you need to be from the same industry you need to have worked in the same industry and you need to have had work experience in the same industry and it's not true. Eighty percent of these companies were founded by founders. Who did not directly come with directly relevant experience in that same space and kind of their fresh perspective and their fresh lens and look at. The problem was one of the reasons they could solve. This problem. that being said in nodar key takeaway is again against the misconception. These uniforms are oftentimes not started by drops. It's oftentimes nut started by high school or college dropouts. It's actually started by people who have had ten years of plus of experience oftentimes as previous startup see ios oftentimes as previous a startled executives or large company executives. The takeaway is the repeat entrepreneur and divorce. Serial entrepreneur has been misused in the industry. And that's why. I'm trying to push for this. New ward of super founder super founder is defined as a person who was previously started a company that was successful and this kind of success. Metrics here is about an acquisition of a fifty million dollar plus size or ten million dollars in revenues and normally what i saw in this story into patterns of these founders sixty percent and that's a super high number sixty percent off these unicorns are started by super founders. These are people who previously started a company that was successful and oftentimes. If you go back of before that they started another company that was not successful so they follow a story. They started company when they're in college. It maybe failed. They started another company. It was good kind of tech acquisition on re twenty million dollars big success for themselves and medium successful mentioned investors and then it was their third attempt that became the three billion dollar company of five billion dollar company. And you're seeing the story being repeated and repeated In in the story or the kind of rules in the ranks in an historic so they started barrier lean startup and then they became an executive in a super fast growing startup and they came out on the started this their own a new company and either under the mafias of Started world that go on and become the new New mafia entrepreneurs fantastic. This is so exciting to hear that you can profile now potential Unicorn founders so a you applying this I guess you probably out of part of you wants to match apply the problem. You probably wants to close areas and ignore it but has so how is this. This beautiful analysis affected your investment decisions. Yeah i think that's That's interesting so Exactly as you said. I do apply. It actually has as effective debate. I look at companies. It's affected the way i i Look at the founders and try to judge them basic for basically if this is kind of founder market founder product fits. It's super helpful. And it's helped me go and fine. The the kind of profiles of people that are looking for that being said this study is not a correlation steady. And that's something. I need to make sure That i about everywhere. I do not want people to come in and take this data and do a correlation causation In their minds because the study is is only the kind of positive pool. It's everyone who became successful. It does not show all these other people who did maybe had the same profile and failed so this is not a causation. Study so i think the main takeaway or debate can use this study and debate. I use the study is gone abroad. And my my horizons and broadened avai look at companies and say you know some people say hey you know. All all mary founders. Kind of couples fail in start companies. And i have examples in my mind. No actually there's tree unicorns with mary's couple of founders and someone else comes in and said You know if you wanna start accompanying insurance you need to be from the industry and say no actually i. Ten founders ten companies in my mind. Let's didn't start this space. So it's more on their kind of rejecting the negative bias than helping create. The positive buys if we're talking with thomas of dc a leading venture firm in silicon valley. And we're going to take a short break for this message. Don't go away. Syn bio beta. 2019 takes place october. One through three and san francisco. You'll meet the innovators in companies find new opportunities partner up and discover the potential of the biological industrial revolution as a special thanks to dc for making. Today's podcast possible. We're giving you the podcast listener. One hundred dollars off. Your sim by obata ticket. If you use the promo code dc vc. That's dc cbc at checkout. Visit us at twenty nine thousand nine dot syn bio beta dot com to learn more. I folks is the founder and ceo of zimbabwe. I'm talking with alabama seven investor at data collective in silicon valley elite. I wanted to come back to some of the companies that you've invested in the dc visas invested in that. You're particularly excited about one area. Well tell us about the synthetic biology investments that You've been involved in all your aware of one of them. I think two of them are actually speaking at a conference in october. In san francisco. C sixteen baiocco and cambridge glico science. A tell us about those two companies. Yes sure so. These are very early. Bets c sixteen bio is taking a shot at the palm oil industry. It's a massive sixty sixty five billion dollar commodity market. Dad's that's harming the environment it's harming our planet in order to extract palm oil. They have to cut trees. It's a massive deforestation Gonna impact in amazon and other countries around around the globe and see sixteen bio is a synthetic biology company. That's that's aiming to produce intake Palm oil or basically synthetic product. That looks like and feels lie and smells like palm with four cosmetic bronx and war food products. So that's that's the company. I'm i'm very excited about the company the before you go. And that's a really interesting example. In terms of the the impact that synthetic biology can have on environmental sustainability Give some examples of what palm oil is useful. Why that's i didn't know as a sixty five billion dollar market. That's absolutely huge. Yes so palm oil. So apparently palm oil is in eighty percent of every product. You see in a grocery store. Wow so basically. Every every cooking oil probably oil chocolates in every every food product a lot of food products in a lot of products Have some sort of oil or some sort of palm oil So it's it's a massive. Massive commodity used by Food companies and cosmetics companies to produce their products. So you can eight. You can put it on your skin. it's It's it's an oil. That's using many different consumer products. And i've actually seen directly the impact that pommelled deforestation has is. My wife is from the on borneo in malaysia and ninety percent. if not more of bono's rainforests has now been turned into pommeau plantation. So you fly over whenever we go home to visit and I mean it's incredible in. Indonesia is is is Is even worse. So it's definitely a big environmental impact So c sixteen bio is is taking microbes and putting in the bissouma. The palm oil Pathway and then taking sugar and fermented into into these various pommel products is that right. Yes yes that's that's exactly that's exactly work. So they're they're using Civic input product of not going to talk about data that's the trade secret of the company but the are using different fermentation process to turn that into something that looks like and feels lights and smells like palm oil and working bid Cosmetics companies. i too busy to use this. And i think for these companies is a lot of value because they want to be green and they want to not impact our earth and so they they care about it as well. It's not just about the price Day care about being green. As well and making product at the're customers would feel good using cambridge scientists. Another one tell us about Cambridge geico signed. So i think they've just renamed themselves to stem sugars. that right. yes yes. That's that's correct. So stem sugar is in order to early stage. Beck's daughter kind of synthetic biology early stage bets for dc and That's that's a company. Taking aim at sugar show sugar just like palm. Oil is another massive commodity market. what's the market For sugared you know market size. I think it should be one hundred billion plus okay And basically be no kind of all the problems that sugar coating to tour diets so the aim of this company is to reengineer sugar from synthetic materials Sugared that's much lower in calories. It's not zero calories but it's much much lower in calories. It still has the same properties of sugar when you're baking and cooking so with normal kind of It's not a sweetener. It's a sugar substitute. So you can actually bake cakes. It can make donuts And you can basically build whatever you could bill that sugar before but this time but this new alternative sugar Canucks hundred lor in its calorie And carbs and do we know why suga is so bad for us war. I think probably the main reason is the spikes an insulin. i'm not a physician dr. But i think dat dat insulin resistance that that it would create Is one of the reasons that trigger has such a bad effect on our house. So presumably stem sugar. Their product has something different about the The carbon structure of the of the sugar. That it isn't it combat metabolize and it just passes through the body. Yes got move very cool so we talked a little bit. Also about another portfolio company pivot. Baya what pivot doing so pick bio is taking. Aim at notre multibillion Market which is fertilizers agricultural. Fertilizers and hydrogen fertilizers. And this company is is now a massive company of working bids and agriculture companies. Selling new types of fertilizers and so they have a additive product. They launched it at the conference last year called proven so you can actually add these microbes to the to the growing plant when you plant the seed or or afterwards and And these microbes will fix nitrogen from the air and and provided in a usable form of the plant can grow on ximen zion. Magen nays is wanted these unicorns that we were talking about earlier. mitch in doing so Is is a factory. Lamberton the factory to produce mu biochemicals for a lot of different industries from kind of the. It's basically competing that the chemicals market with new biochemicals Anything from New types of materials To have their variety of different clients across different industries from food to kind of Different new materials. Different gases It's it's super exciting company. And yet it's one of the unicorns be a dvd or proud to be to have been invested in from Early days fantastic. So elliott tell me about how your experience as a founder has affected how you invest in companies now shirt so i think it mainly comes into effect on being realistic being realistic in founders. And what they do and as you know as venture capitalists to understand our founders. And the ceo's vera we have the pleasure of working bid are humans and they have. They have a capacity. So i think it's it chose itself into communication in hearing them and i think one one problem that i see it Some bbc's is the hugh they the judge and the assumed without talking to the founders the human judge without understanding what challenges the are facing and they just expect the founders to be able to solve and tackle of fifty different problems at the same times running accompanies heart running a company super hard. It's one hundred x harder than being. Pc so i think it just gives me to perspective appreciate These founders better and to appreciate what you're doing better and understand their problems. Be try to be more helpful and be more realistic On what challenges. There are salt of the art. You're facing and how i as an investor can can help you know. Maybe take one of them off from their table. I want to talk a little bit about an area that you're interested in that isn't biology necessarily Using machine lanning. It's a problem that a lot of people in the bay area face. Which is the the rent is too damn high so You're interested in construction and the cost of land the cost of transportation So tell me what what the solutions that you'd like to see around particularly the bay area. Yeah so i mean you mentioned a problem. And i think it's not just the area go to every every every location in the us or any burrell's rent or basically housing. The cost of housing and the cost of transport takes evade the largest part of income that anybody earns. And i think that's such a big problem. And that's that should be one of the biggest focuses on one of the biggest problems we as you know as entrepreneurs and venture capitalists we try to solve is how we can drive the cost of living while we can drive the cost of a place to sleep at night of and a place to put a wake up in the morning lower and maybe the solution is new business models to to this need. I mean you're seeing today. Everything is becoming service so transferred in commuting from kind of owning a car and maintaining a car shifting towards kind of commute as a service. We're at one point. I assume you were would be charging us couple hundred dollars a month or something and then they take care of her commute And we should be looking to see what companies doing that for the need to to basically live summer And that that and driving that costs down so now some some couple of ideas one would be. How do we build new cities kinda further away from where people work and produced a transport blind produced at super fast a hyperloop style transportation mode from kind of these new that guilt built and they have super fast lines into the cities and places that people work at and if if a company and this would be like a normal star of this would be as super heidi funded company and probably started by a super founder That can basically manages and can build a plan a scalable plan of. How do we build cities much cheaper without the need for so much money. And how do we connect them to places that people work at. That's one solution daughter. Solution is how to be bill houses. Cheaper there's a lot of companies doing kind of robotic construction three d. printing of houses. But i'm still looking for kind of what is what is next year in that space. How do we actually drive the costs down for the needle. Maybe it's a radical thinking. You don't need ten percent reduction the cost you're looking for the tax reduction this new radical thinking of housing of. How do we decrease the cost of a place to live in building land. How do we use the space better me. So it's either of your optimizing the space or your Optimizing the commute. It's one of these two axes and i'd love to see companies trying to solve this rubble and are you making active investments in either in construction in real estate or in transport looking looking in in transport. We invested embarked trucks which is an autonomous. Driving company We have you've done some kind of smaller bets in the in this autonomy spaces vul- ain Air transport or in Kind of local ground. Transport transporters vol You're actively looking. I'm acting looking in into the construction space Construction and housing and transport space. Yes you're looking. You haven't made a big bet yet alley. Thanks again for joining us. It's been a pleasure to talk with you about. Super founders in about dc in some of the portfolio companies particularly in the synthetic biology space. I really appreciate you coming on the same by beta podcast on the next sim bio beta. Podcast our guests will be evan bear. Ceo and co founder of the bio materials company equal vaden zoom. All the way out you get something. Yeah it looks like this organic whitelaw but if you zoom all the way in there's actually a very regular predictable pattern of branching and this is essentially organism that assembles molecules in three d. Space the topic is the my caelian revolution. How one mighty fun guy can make food plastic and more. John will be talking with evan. About why am i see. Lien is an ideal post. Not just for biochemical production but also by material structuring evans conception of bio adaptation and the relationship of synthetic biology to the good life and what emerging products and markets. He is most excited about these days. The plastics plant based foods or even the scaffolding for growing. Oregon's so keep listening again. Want to thank alley. Thomas from dc viva joining us today and also thank you listeners. Checking us out the same bye-bye podcast is a new endeavor and we welcome your feedback about speakers and topics that you want to hear from if you enjoy this. Leave a review on. I tuned the more important. Share the same by better podcast with a friend. This is joan combat signing off and hoping that all eu dna dreams come true.
Voter Roundtable: Americans Talk Across Political Divides
"Support for on point and the following message. Come from kyko do you own or rent your home. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save chakravarty. This is on point. We're going to do something a little bit different than we're going to go back to some of the voters. We talked to in the months leading up to the november election. You might remember that. Twelve part series of voter roundtables. We had since. Then there's been the actual election delayed results false claims about voter fraud and a violent insurrection at the us capitol and a historic second impeachment of president trump. So today we're bringing several of those voters back to talk about how they see this moment and more importantly to hear how americans can talk with each other. And that's the part that's going to be a little bit different today. Because i'm going to have some help. The united states it feels more than a little bit like a conflict zone right now or at least. A nation seized by intractable political conflict. So we're going to have someone alongside today who has facilitated hard conversations in difficult places. And he's lucas. Johnson executive director of the public radio show on beings civil conversations and social healing project. He was previously international coordinator for the international fellowship of reconciliation essentially century-old peacebuilding organisation. Any joins us today from amsterdam in the netherlands. Lucas welcome back to the show. Harm meghna thank you. It's good to be here so first of all. Let me just ask you set the the table for this conversation. How similar does the the do the political tensions and perhaps even the inability to talk across divides that that feels like we have here in the united states. How similar does that does that. Strike you as to other places that you've done this kind of work before. Well i think that One of the dynamics that i that i feel like we have to understand as americans is is that We're not used to thinking of ourselves as a as a as a place of conflict but there there have been long simmering I i i like to sort of describe it as like a there's been a low level. There's been low level violence in the country for a long time in their their long issues. That we've not really confronted or spoken to each other about and In some ways the the violence that we see is the is the product of of recent events and in some ways there. It's the product of things that have been going on for a long time. And i think one of the differences between our contacts in other contexts in the world is that many other countries are are just more aware of the fact that they are developing a democracy or more aware of the fact that The democracy democracy is not something that you can take for granted that it takes difficult work on every day. And and a sort of vigilance. And i think that that's something that we're just now i think Coming to realize. I think we've taken a lot of our of the principals in structures and mechanisms of our of our democracy in our culture of democracy for granted. Well so i am really grateful that you can Listen along with me to the voters that we're going to have back here over the course of this hour. Invite you to do even more than just listen along lucas. I would love to hear how you approach these conversations so please feel free. It can be my co-host for today. I would like to. I'd like to learn from you on on how to facilitate conversations sort of a across across differences in sometimes very deeply felt differences so today lucas johnson on point co host. If you're willing to play that role a big you. i'm honored. Well let's i'm gonna. I'll i'll let's start by bringing in a couple of these voters so joining us from erie michigan. His lupe harvester. she's the owner of several restaurants. In erie she joined us For the voter roundtable. We did With americans who had either lost loved ones to covid or had suffered from cova themselves. Lupis businesses have been impacted by the pandemic and also. She was hospitalized with covid for almost a month including ten days on a ventilator liu bei thanks for coming back to the show and give me and also with us from virginia beach. Virginia is danielle anderson. She joined us on our roundtable with military veterans. She's a former naval officer and chief strategist at the nonprofit black veterans project danielle. Welcome back to you. Thank you so much for having back. Okay so lucas. I'm actually in hand you the baton here to start. What's the first question or where how. How do we enter this conversation with liu bei. Well i i you know i'm wondering I think one of the things that's important for us as we often Have conversations That we're at. We're talking around the things that matter not necessarily talking about the things that matter and so one of the questions that i i would ask Both loop danielle is An aside from you know how they are and how they're doing in the midst of all that we're we're dealing with is What what did the experience of the last week of. Oh can you at a lot of people talk about how how it was frightening. And i'm wondering whether or not it brought up experiences of fear or what. It actually made them feel right. Well loop do you wanna go ahead and answer that jarrow start with that in all honesty at brought up feelings of anger Towards everything that has happened that i think throughout this to a head so to speak. I'm anti. I felt like it was coming. I didn't expect what to happen happened But i could understand how people felt. Because i felt angry. Can you tell me a little. Bit more luebbe. What exactly where you Were you angry at the shower. I was angry at the people who were dean what they were doing. Because i am a republican and i felt like You know they made the party. Look bad I don't think it helped our situation any if anything. It made it worse. I was hopeful at the beginning of this hearing on. Maybe it was false. Hope or something that was put in there that wasn't attainable but That's what i had going into. This was hope as i was watching what was happening. And then when i saw what happened i was angry at those people as angry at everything that happened prior to this the last several years That's that's so you would just to be clear when you said you were hopeful that at the beginning of when they were doing the electoral count of the votes in in the in congress. That's you're your about okay. yes So danielle you wanna. I'd love to hear from you about how the feelings that vote in you. Yeah i I think it was I mean unfortunately. It was something that i couldn't have predicted But i certainly suspected could happen. I think that you know the last few years A lot of people. Have you talked about And there's even a book written about it. How democracy die. And i think that You know elected officials gradually sort of voting democratic process us You know kind of increase their power and it's something that You know a great many Political scientists and other people have sort of talked about And how that can can play out in this experiment that we call our democracy so for me it was. It was really eye-opening And it was really a call to put Perhaps party politics in personal feelings to the side and understand that you know are sort of democratic republicans is at stake here and it has been you know for the last four years go ahead. Yeah so so danielle you you. You talk about What was at stake in end. Can you say a little bit more about about what you feel. has been at stake in the last four years. Yeah i mean. I think that what we're seeing over the last four years i start any gold certainly started before What happened at charlottesville but You know we've seen any sort of president who at least in if he doesn't violate the letter of the law violates sort of the spirit of the law you know. We put a lot of faith and trust in our Democratically elected officials that that they hopefully hold our democracy To the same sacredness that we do ourselves and so for me it has been largely been pretty disappointing At times angering to kind of see the ways in which process that we've long held as as truthful kind of be subverted or be questioned including this you know election so for me. It was very disappointing. And i think even more so disappointing More people weren't pointing out. Not that this is You know that president trump is doing a bad thing so to speak but that this bad thing is actually Sort of ripping apart the fabric of our democracy so For me it was. It was largely disappointing not really directed at president trump But largely at our electorate our elected officials you sort of enabled him And the rhetoric not only of the paseo two months or so you know since the since the election result came out But i think before then he is managed to question people in process and things That have never really been questioned before loop. We've just got a minute to go before the break. So i'm gonna let us I want you to start answering that same question about what you think. What you feel is at stake here. But but then we'll take the break in the nola finished but but go ahead. What do you feel when you. When you hear danielle describing. What she thinks is at stake here regarding trust in our democracy well to while i totally agree with her yes i do. I feel it for a couple of different reasons. I understand her feelings. About president trump. He was different. He didn't do things. The norm of the political people do they are we. He went off tracks. He went off the rails there and I liked it though. I like the way he did what he did. Some things no. I did not like what he did. But i think he made. Progress will loopy harvester and daniel anderson and lucas johnson. Hang on here for just a second. We will be back in about a minute. This is on point. Support ron point and the following message. Come from geico do you own or rent your home. It can be hard work but you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save visit. Geico dot com today. This is on point. I'm meghna chakrabarti. And today we are going back to several of the voters that we talk to over the second half of twenty twenty to try to convene a a conversation especially after the attacks on capitol on january six historic second impeachment of president. donald trump. and i'm joined today by lucas johnson. He's executive director of the on beings civil conversations and social healing project. He's how serving as my co host here today because he has a lot of experience in facilitating challenging conversations. In hard places and right. Now we're talking to two of our voters that we heard from before danielle anderson is with us from virginia and luba harvester is with us from and and lupe i. I wanted to ask you a quick question before. Sorta hand it back to lucas here. But you said that That some of the things that the president did That really shook up the system that you liked it. What what in particular did you like it. Did you like him. Why well. I liked it. That he continued to fight for what he believed in. Instead of honestly. I feel like a lot of us especially in the business. We just sit back and let things happen to us. The closings were still closed and but he was fighting for what he believed in. That's what i liked about him. And i've liked that about him all along. But but specifically what did you see him as believing in what were those did as he was fighting i think he believed that he was There's an injustice than to him he worked for I think a lot of us. People were fighting for that injustice You mean about the actual the election results. Yes yes go ahead. I didn't enemy interrupt there. Well that's still when it comes to mind at this point right now. But i just felt like he was a fighter. I liked that about him. That i i liked that. He wasn't a politician. So look i do. I do agree with danielle though about Violating the spirit of the law. I think in the end. That's you know what really turn people against him. So i'm wondering you know. I i want to. I want to kind of move. The conversation away from president trump. And i'm wondering how both you lupe and danielle would answer this question. thinking about what's at stake for for all that all that we hope we will be as a country Who do we need to be to each other. Daniel go ahead yeah. Thank you Especially a really good question I i think that there have been a lot of calls for You know bringing people together especially in light of this second peach impeachment. excuse me And then trying to bring you know voters and and just really americans rather together but I would say. I'm not sure who we need to beat each other. But i think that When you do things in the spirit of of upholding in our democracy and sort of continuing to perfect our union i'm you know of no Illusion that we have a sort of perfect Union imperfect democracy here And but i also am am illusion that those of us who continue to sort of Keep that at the forefront. And by that i mean Our democracy it may not always result in You know quote unquote coming together as americans You know unfortunately. I mean this is sort of what we've seen in the last few weeks Like you said sort of taking president. Donald trump out of it. I think You know that's really apropos. Because he is. He is not Our democracy although he is sort of at the head of it But we've seen lately is are people putting sort of their own Whether it's single issue or things like that sort of above what's best for our entire country so I'm not really what i would say to that. But i certainly would Say that we need to keep our democracy at the forefront and lupe what do you think what do we need to be to each other. I can tell you what i've seen. I've seen separation of family separation of friends due to this Each treating each other as of belittle each other It's been pretty ugly for the last few years i feel I think what we need to be to each other's respectful of our opinions and our beliefs and we don't get that we get That the left fills the right are stupid and and the right fills the left are Trying to take us into socialism whether true or not and the name calling just every it's been ugly. It's been very very ugly here especially the last few months so well loopy. Harvester owner a restaurant owner and eerie michigan Thank you so much for coming. Back to the show and daniel anderson former naval officers speaking to us from virginia beach virginia. Thank you as well for coming back and talking through things with us. Yes thank you for having so it was a pleasure to talk to you both lucas. Before we move to the next Payer voter she wanted to ask you. Why did you think it's important to ask that particular question that you did about. What do we need to be to each other. Well part. Of the reason. Why i think that's important is because we have a tendency to you. often speak in representing sort of collective senses of collective groups of of identities. And so we we. We speak on. Behalf of president trump. Speak on behalf of republicans or democrats are really on behalf of the laughter of the right and and part of what. I think that we need to do what the way that we need to. Reorient ourselves towards the political process in this country is to be able to understand that That when we're speaking to each other we're not speaking to systems per se. Were speaking to human beings in front of each other who have Needs in hopes and aspirations and fears part of what we need to understand. Is that part of being a citizen in democracy means that we we need to be able to have certain levels of expectations of each other right and so one or the other framing is to say is to be able to say this is who i need you to be for me it in order to in order for us to participate together in this process right and i think that's what we need to kind of get back to what we need to reorient ourselves towards like. Who do we need to be to each other. In order for us to actually share The country in order for us to exist together as americans. Well so i would say that that has been made challenging or even more challenging by the fact that that we are not systems but we are also communicating with each other through some very dehumanizing systems like media and technology and we heard from an on point listener olexis from massachusetts who left us this message for her fellow americans. If you're listening to people that are making you just feel fearful and Distrustful of your neighbors than maybe. You should put down your phone log off of social media. Try to listen to people who give you hope And my hope is that we can all just come together and you know realize it's okay to not all think the same exact thing but that doesn't mean we have to burn down the house. It just means we need to listen to each other more in order to move forward together all right. Well let's listen to some more of our voters here. Mike richards joins us from orlando florida. He's a commercial airline pilot and he joined us in twenty twenty when we had the roundtable of florida voters mike. Welcome back to a point. Thanks for having me. Magna and vedeno. Ostrovsky joins us from denver colorado. He's a sales manager originally from ukraine and he joined us previously in our roundtable of newly naturalized. Us citizens deem welcome back to you. Thank you magnus. Well so lucas. I'm going to hand it back to you. What would what do you want to hear. First from mike and vadym well i. I wonder if we ought to start in the same place and talking about what what their experience of of of last week's events were What what emotions did it evoke To see the capital attacked the way it was the dima let you go first yes thank you so much And i'm just so excited to be here. Appreciate the opportunity to speak up. And what i felt was Was maybe i'll give just a little bit of context. I've came to the united states when i was sixteen by myself Isn't exchange the wooden and ever since dan. I really fell in love with america for everything that it stands for. And i've had i've had a fortune To where i've been able to spend by quite considerable amount of time In other countries as well and every time coming back to the united states. This is where i felt safe as soon as they cross the border. Soon as i got love the plane and went through. Security i could. I felt like i could breathe easier. And that was after living in countries civilized civilized. Not the right word but western countries like australia. Germany austria Even even even there. I did not always feel felt as safe as i felt here. And i i don't know if it was just perception in my mind But that's how i felt now. I feel petrified. I feel i feel terrified Both both of my girlfriend. And i we we've done to Be more liberal on these shoes And my girlfriend has involved in online conversations with people trying to. She's really political she. She's talking to people trying to show the outside or at least explain the view from a of bowl left so to speak and And we'll verge of asking her to to stop doing that. So so we wouldn't get in trouble. yeah it's just it's. It's a really petrified time. mike. I'm gonna come to you in a second but volume. Can you just if if you could share a little bit more specific. What kind of trouble. You're concerned about. Or what specifically is frightening you right now And again this is all human. Beings will come with with our own baggage in history. But i'm half jewish and might data jewish and we grew up in soviet union and as as jewish people were not allowed to even practice religion. There were series of vogue. Rooms happened in the past. In soviet russia in cyrus russia. is a matter of fact. Nineteen when you thought fell apart. He about two and a half three million people. Jewish people emigrated to israel. And that's you know that's a half of the population of israel and adapt particular time And that was because of the fear prosecutions by Just by neighbors and And i don't want to say that it's in my blog. But i just feel like america's on dakin closer steps to To anarchy and it just really scary and the the the speed with which all of this unraveled on not just talking about last week talking about four years leading up to this and maybe some things unresolved things from from the past of united states. But it's all enrolling unraveling bread in front of our eyes with the speed of a freight train and just petrified that we will be singled out in some ways and Right harmed i'm not exaggerating. This is something that keeps me up at night. I hear you so mike. Thanks for for for listening with us here. same question. Lucas question to you What kind of feelings did the past week or to evoke in you. I keep thinking that. I'm probably not the best person to be answering this question on your radio show because there's just so many feelings i think so. Many of them are unorthodox or maybe not in line with what a lot of other people receive First of all. I was disgusted by the actions of you. Know breaching the capital I don't like seeing my nation's capitol get damaged in any way i to be pristine and beautiful for anyone that comes to visit Our nation's capital to see it but beyond that When speaking of the actual action of the people that broke into the nation's capital. I think that you're talking about a group of people who are mentally ill who I think we're giving them a little too much credit here. Because you know one of these guys was wearing a moose helmet or something like that and other people had these. You know strange antisemitic slogans on t shirts like that. And i mean it looked at lucas. If you went and passed out an iq test at the nation's capital that day. What would the average score be. It probably wouldn't be very high So i kind of looked at it through the lens of this is an incredibly low. I q population and A lot of mental illness of a lot of people who in decades past would have been committed to mental institutions So so we had a congregation of of a lot of people. That just weren't very bright. And unfortunately the the you know. That's what we're seeing on on our tv and when you tuned into cnn you get don lemon telling you. Well if you're one of the seventy four million people that voted for trump. This is what you voted for. This is what you like and that's not true. That's not what we voted for. That's not what we like. What we saw there were people who are radicalizing themselves on the on the internet. Who are going in places in the internet that i probably don't even know exist and you know coming up with all kinds of crazy ideas and they all decided to beat in converged in one spot. One day So if the stock market went up the same day that this habit which tells me very smart people on wall street looked at baton said no a bunch of nut cases this wasn't an a a a military takeover of some kind. We didn't lose our democracy. I still believe our democracy is alive and well. unfortunately we don't have the institutions to lock people away for mental illness. The way we used to. Well mike if you just hang on there and vadim i'm gonna guess that you have some some thoughts to share in response to what makes it an lucas. I'm going to ask you to wait here. Just a second as well because these conversations are. I don't want to rush them. But we are headed towards our our next break here. So this hour we've been inviting back listeners. Were voters actually that we spoke to over the second half of two thousand twenty in our long series of voter roundtables to see how they think about this nation now about their response to what happened on january sixth and and we're trying to see how we can have conversations across some differences and divides so we'll be back with more. This is on point. This is on point. I'm meghna chakrabarti in this hour. We are turning back to several voters that we talked to over the course of twenty twenty and trying to see how how we have conversations across divides and i am helped today by lucas johnson. He's executive director of the of on beings civil conversations and social healing project. Right now we're also listening to mike richards. He's from orlando florida. He voted for president trump. he was with us previously. In our florida. Voters roundtable and vadym ostrovsky is with us from denver. Colorado he's originally from ukraine and Had previously joined us on our newly naturalized citizens roundtable and lucas. I'm gonna again hand the baton back to you. Because both mike in vedeno said some very powerfully interesting things Before the break. And i'm wondering wh where where do we turn next. What's the next question that you ask say to vedeno. What do you want to hear from him. Well deem. I think the first thing. I want to say it's just that i you know i i feel so sorry that that That you that this is a vote so much fear and so much Difficulty for you and your girlfriend. I'm sorry that that that you're having to go through that and I'm wondering How do how do you feel about what mike is saying. I mean i feel like and mike. I don't want to mischaracterize what you're saying. But i feel like what you were which were leading us towards was a sense that that you use at. Our democracy isn't quite as under siege as as people are are are that it is and so i'm curious for deem how you what that what that brings up in you know. And the beauty of the united states is the fact that we can all have different opinions and we can express them And shared them and talk about them and we have been able to do that. At least from the i guess and of the civil war through through recent times and now it's changing now feels like Youth like it's hard to be really honest. But i really appreciate the honesty of mikes response. Very unique perspective. Didn't think about it that way However what. I what i'd like to say is Sorry brocher existed for for For thousand years and the institutions there were shaped for thousand years and then they were brought down. The whole country was brought down to its knees by a group of small group of revolutionaries led by vladimir lenin. And if a monster or monster but a putter tighten the that you know went from deny all the way to the border of china can be brought down to to its knees and and really just destroyed by a group of people than us doesn't stand a chance. Unfortunately and lennon said one thing that stood out in my mind and my friend just passed on the quote to me couple of days ago but he said there decades were nothing happens and then there are weeks were decades happen and i i feel like this is what's happening now when i feel like we're really on the verge of possibly losing this democracy And this is unfortunately not a small group of people brett radicalized people. We have a congress lady who was Who who's in congress now. Who is a quinlan follower We you know. I daily see in my life. People expressing their political views in violent ways and not wearing a mask to me is a violent violent expression of whatever it is you stand for. It's it it it leads to people contracting the disease dying that has nothing to do so the radical Radicalization of american society is is much more spread than what people may think. Well the if you forgive me for for for studying here. I wanna unfortunate. I still have the job of trying to keep track of the time. 'cause we're we're limited by the by the duration of this radio program but i just wanted to give mike a chance to respond and then we have a couple more voters that we wanna hear from. But but mike what's your response to redeem my response be did these are complicated issues This too will pass it. I don't wanna diminish it or say that it's not important. But i would say that our country is facing Unique and special challenges that are more immediate necessity. I think that voters are on both sides. Our berry Scared about the future. I think there's a lot of foreboding and in particular in the last year. The united states is printed thirty three percent of the money that's in circulation we are printing a lot of money. We are heavily in debt and on the other side. We have a climate crisis to deal with and honestly the you know the democracy work we now have president biden coming into office and to me. You know he can choose. Divisive things in we could remain divided country or really the two most important things that we have to look at are the financial solvency of the country. Which is in very bad shape right now and a climate crisis which is absolutely accelerating in the wrong direction. So those are the two items that i think our new president has to get involved in. But i think that you know if you if you go to divisive things if you start saying everybody is a racist and you know what we want people working together and if you want to solve these problems you wanna get to kids when they're young and put them on the same basketball team or track team and get them working together to solve problems than they will be adults that come together and solve problems and ultimately those two issues are what give people the biggest fear of you wanna lay awake at night. The the thing you should wait lay awake at night about is the fact that your money might not be worth anything in a couple of years that they've printed so much that it's worthless well mike richards from orlando florida. Thank you so much for coming back to the show mike. Thanks for having me meghan and vedeno ostrovsky from denver colorado. Vadym thank you so very much for coming in you so much. Lucas as you can tell from each one of these mini conversations. We're having that. We could speak with all of our voters individually for it for hours and it does break my heart a little that we can't spend more time with them but before we get to our last pairing i did want to ask you lucas. I what how do you advance a conversation. Or how do you bring people together when you hear the kinds of differences that you heard between mike and vedeno and i'm not talking about political differences. I'm talking about Very different views or assessments to even to even what the problems are or the depth or severity of the problems. People aren't even seeing the same Sense of like these are. We can commonly agree that these are our challenges. How do you bring people together. Well i think part of the part of the thing we part of that we have to do is get to a point. Where were we start to recognize That sometimes That when we reach the point of empathy with each other that we will take into account other people's fears even if even if they are not our own right and we have to and we start to sort of recognize that that that that that those are things to be in conversation with an conversation about in the more. We talk the more we. We won Maybe some of of my trust In our institutional resilience as a democracy Maybe maybe a vedeno will start to share some of that. And then maybe mike will start to also Appreciate and understand that that some of the deems fears are are are are are warranted right. And i think the more in conversation the closer we move together in more importantly the more we start to take into account other people's experiential experiential realities and. I think that's a part of what we we do. And sometimes you know there are there. There are realities that are too far apart to to bridge completely but the and that is not always necessary. But what's necessary that we start to understand and take into account and hold importance and with significant regard their realities well. We have not enough time left. And i do want to give our last pair of voters a chance To have their say at least a little bit so let me turn now to bella delessio. She's a student at george mason university and she joined us previously on our roundtable of young voters. Bella welcome back to the show. Hi thank you so much for having me back and matt powell is also with us. He's a marine veteran and a car salesman and he joined us. previously Four i believe. I can't keep it all straight now man i think we had you back for When we had you on for our voters who had voted for president trump in two thousand sixteen but welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me okay. So i'm just going to start with both of you and we only have a few like three or four minutes left. I'm sorry to both of you. Bill and matt. But i'd like to actually just hear you guys briefly. Answer the question that lucas started everyone off with which is what feelings. Were voting you last week as you saw you did in saw what you saw in the capital belo. Just all go to you. First on january six when i woke up and i saw these people raking the capital a place where you i go to school and love to just walk around. I was in total fear and shock. It felt like a place that I thought it was one place going to be safe. And the whole country would be there and honestly like seeing the congress members going through the same thing. Students often go through at school and having to hide and shelter from An attack and people with guns Was so scary. And just seeing that that threat to our democracy It just left me so much. Fear and matt what about you just absolute disbelief I i've been to the capital many many times. I've been you know to be see. I i live just outside of dc for a decade. And a half. I'm very familiar with the town And i was in disbelief for two reasons one. I was in disbelief. That it would actually happen. The other part was and and i'm just become. I've grown terribly cynical. What i see on tv I couldn't believe that I couldn't believe the images that i was seeing the only images to be seen. Well lucas. i'm gonna. I'm gonna turn to you and i think we have a chance for you to ask both bella and matt one question before we're going to have to basically wrap up the show. But what do you want to hear from them I i yeah. I guess i'm curious from both of you. You know Knowing that we have a limited amount of time I wanna go back to the question that i asked. I'm with our first voters in order for us to to be the country that we hope to become What what do you. What do you think we need from each other. Matt you go first. We need something that i experienced daily speak to the. There's there's a couple of folks that i work with it. We don't we do not share ideologies but we have decent conversations and we have decent fact-based conversations And unfortunately we don't live in a place or a time where we receive facts And and my whole perspective on this is i. Think pretty valid I grew up in a home where my father was sports in the news broadcaster for thirty five years and there used to be an absolute difference between news and commentary and today commentary is the news and there's a little bit of you know selected video and sound bites and things to go along with it There's there's just not enough truth being disseminated on a on a regular basis And i'll take you back to two thousand one For nine eleven with immediately the we saw images constantly about what happened and then within days it was slowed down and we saw none and the press took the position that week shouldn't see these daily because it just made us all mad. Well now all we get are those type of images all the time. And i and i and i honestly believe it is to perpetuate A divide the leading phrase in the news business if it bleeds. It leads And if that's always see if that's all we do and we fail to do our own Research and we failed to go look for other than what we see in front of our face. That's where we can't have common conversations. We'll bella How would you answer that question. I think in order to a step in the future to unify our country. I think first and foremost to address the issue of by primacy and make sure that everyone agrees that you. This is a blatant problem. And it's something that has plagued our nation for so long to deprive the rights of others. And i think that it's hard sometimes when you're trying to argue with someone about your basic human right like for a young person or people in general to not have the right to not be shy in their community or for someone to have the right to healthcare and those are things that you feel like you should just you know naturally being titled too but people just a different way and see as debate and that's something that has caused like a lot of friction in our nation and i think everyone has their own experience and we can't just live our life thinking that our experiences only experienced be felt so if we really just listen to each other and say okay well. I can't negate their experience. I was your experience. I can learn from it. And that's how we learn from each other and that's how we can take steps in unifying on our country done. Well bill de blasio student at george mason university. Thank you so much for coming back to the show. Thank you for. Having me. And matt powell marine veteran and car salesmen matt. Thank you so much for coming back as well. I appreciate the time. Thank you lucas. We have no joke. Sixty seconds left. I wanted to be able to have a little bit more time with you to help us think through all that. We've heard we don't have that time. But i did want to. Just let you give a last last thought People can't talk with each other. We just have to figure out a way to to have more of that happened in american life. We do think it's important for us to realize that we don't really have the option to live apart from each other. I think some of some of the times we engage with each other. As if you know we're we're we're engaging in sort of disposable dispensable people and that's not really the reality of our of our circumstances and so. I think that we can have those conversations and i think the other thing that's important for us is that we have to nurture the good even as much as we try to to deal with the bad right where we have to encourage nurture those things that are right about our our societies and our relationships in our lives. And that's part of how will will will be a better country. Lukas johnson executive director of on being civil conversation and social healing project. Thank you so much for being by my side for this hour. Thank you thank you. It's an honor and they can chakrabarti this on point.
Walgreens and Mattel Share How Their Brands Have Evolved at CES 2021
"Hi this is not host. A cmo moves just wanted to take a quick moment to say. Thanks so much for stopping by today and it gives you a quick overview on what to expect. Cmo moves is all about game changing leaders their incredible journeys the moves. They've made and most importantly their personal stories of how they got to be the leaders of some of the world's most exciting brands. I hope you'll enjoy their stories as much as i do. And take away a few tips and some inspiration for your day and enjoy the show. Hi my name. Is jean foster. I'm the senior vice president of marketing and communications here. The consumer technology association where organization that actually produces he s so. Thank you for joining us for our space conversations if you're not familiar with c. Space is the home for the marketing advertising. Branding and entertainment community at cvs and our next session is cmo moves that see space doesn't exclusive conversation for marketers. Who want to understand. Her technology will sheep brands in the year to come. This episode of the cmo will move. Podcasts is being created exclusively for us at c. Twenty twenty one. How would you describe the past year. is certainly unprecedented and he's been challenging on a personal and professional level for for most of us and as marketers we've had to pivot at lightning speed and my case it was moving. Cs to this old digital format and technology has allowed to make that pivot quickly. In this next conversation we will explore what this means for brands. And for the storytellers. And who bantered to lead this than dean deeds. The dean is the chief community officer ad week. And she she. She's the host of the cmo moves podcast. The dean has convened an expert panel her going to be discussing best practices. They're going to bring some fresh thing and they're going to share some describe disruptive ideas and we can successfully propel into post pandemic era. The dean is going to be joined by top marketers from mattel and from the walgreens boots alliance and i'm thrilled to welcome them to your ceus screen. Well thank you so much gene for that warm introduction and hello everyone welcome to a very special edition of c. moves brought to you from the c. uscc track. I'm so delighted to be here at share. This moment with two incredible leaders. Vedeno mira who is the global chief marketing officer and also the chief customer officer for walgreens boots alliance and lisa mcknight the senior vice president in global general manager for mattel's barbie brand veneto lisa them. Thank you thanks for having ascending absolutely. I'm so excited to be here with you. Both in Lisa we're your first guest on sima moose but veneer man. We've done three rounds of this already. This round number floor in keeps getting better right. Yeah you You keep upping the game here. So i'm going to try to keep up with you. You've been keeping up with me if x helping the game. Every time i talked to you you get a new title added to your list of titles. So let's start with an introduction from both of you how about beneath tell us a little bit about your role because it is global chief marketing officer and also local chief customer survey. Did i get that right. Yeah you got it and you know what it is. I think it's a recognition and acceptance of the growing and changing role of the cmo in the c. suite. Right there is marketing which i think itself needs a marketing campaign like what exactly is marketing and If you really think about it. Marketing is about being the voice of the customer. I think the future of marketing really lands inexperienced base differentiation. And so i think the chief customer officer role encompasses kind of traditional marketing but also development of customer experiences e commerce platforms getting deep into the technology infrastructure and ultimately measuring success on. Whether or not you're delighting customers with the experiences you provide them so it's It's it's an expanded title. But more importantly i think it's a recognition of where our function and the role were playing in the c. Suite is going. And i. I know it makes Makes us all very proud As a function when when the role Kind of take on different meaning in the c. suite. And i love talking to you about that. You know united spent a lot of time talking about the Much of the modern cmo the Just makes a ton of sense so Again congrats on the expansion of the role. That was relatively new and a lisa. I am so excited to have you on the show. You have a completely different kind of role. And yet there's so much crossover event you have some unique things each focus on. Let's talk about your role. What does that mean to be the senior vice president in global general manager for mattel's barbie brand. Well you know it's interesting at mattel. We actually don't have a cmo role I report into our chief officer and in part of the leadership team for the company. And i'm responsible for all aspects of the barbie brand and frankly the dolls division. I'm responsible for brand strategy or growth strategy Driving all of our marketing communications product development and content creation both short and long form and work closely with all of my cross functional leaders and partners in the c. suite. So it's really exciting to have that holistic view over not only the brand barbie but but also that the category of dolls absolutely and While we only have thirty minutes for the segment there's gonna be one hundred questions. I have to ask you about everything that you guys are doing. So let's see if i can focus all right so we're gonna talk about dulce in. We're talking about the evolution of barbie. But quickly i see lisa. You've been at mattel for twenty two years. That's a pretty long time So tell us about your journey because haven't had the pleasure hearing about your journey yet. In how have you been your career. Was his leadership role ear today. Well thank you You know. I like to think of my career at a at mattel as many careers. I actually started advertising prior to mattel and then went client side and worked for the gap in their corporate headquarters in their marketing department and twenty two years ago. Joined mattel since then. I've had a variety of roles. I've i've run the consumer products business for barbie. I've created a the function of marketing. Communications for the company was vice president of marketing for barbie And i most recently before this current role was the head of north america marketing with the entire mattel portfolio which was incredibly exciting today. I'm running the global dolls. Division and the global brand barbie. It's been a ton of fun You know i've. I've definitely had a lot of great experiences. Made sure to raise my hand. took a few positions. That were little out of my comfort zone but always learned so much along the way. And i think it's made me general operator wonderful or we're gonna get into some of those operations here very shortly but you need. Let's let's come back to you for me. Because i remember when i first met you warned three years ago. I think you are at ancestry in. We had such a great conversation. Then what would i really remember. Vividly will never forget is your take on performance storytelling which was such a refreshing idea in many. Were killing it ancestry to with Actually doing that Winning awards for creating new media so tell bit about how you think about that in. i know it's evolved. Because now you have you've evolved as well in all the things that you're responsible for so tell us about that performance. Storytelling is a is is is a moniker to capture the idea of a full stack of marketing right. All the way from the very top of the funnel which ultimately are the stories and the narrative that define your brand and you know. Lisa full credit. I mean i just love the story. That's being told about barbie over these last few years. It's an unbelievable accomplishment. And you know having your brand be part of really important culturally. Relevant stories is never going to go away and marketing. But as you know we also have this like east coast west coast debate going. On performance marketing brand marketing and performance. Storytelling was away. I've tried to bring it all together right. You've got the story side of it. All of that. Demand eventually though needs to get captured into conversion in sales whether that be through a direct to consumer model site conversion or store conversion and. So i think performance this idea of you can't separate the two performance marketing grand. Storytelling need to come together. And it's sort of a false debate to think that they're separate. I think the most modern sort of developed marketers figuring out how to connect the stack across the upper funnel right down to the bottom of the funnel and that's what performance stellar telling about an idea to try to bring both of these concepts together It's always amazing. To hear you describe that. So simply. And yet. When i think about the collaboration team that you and i are on we've had three rounds of discussions with thirty zia bows at no one can actually come up with the exact definition Because it's different for every model. It's different for every business. You describe it so clearly get it is. It's very very complicated when you start digging into that in more detail so but it's also one of your key drivers for gross right. So could we talk a little bit about your growth agenda. Yeah i mean look we've got We've got. I think the role of the cmo is all about growth right. I mean if you're coming to the table just talking about brand equity metrics and affinity that's fine but and you should do that but ultimately you've got to be in that c. suite being seen as a growth hacker in your company and you've got to be finding new avenues for growth and so you know in our in our world. We've got many of those right. We just launched walgreens advertising group in creating entirely new revenue stream for the company and becoming essentially a media network leveraging our first party data to become a media company for cpg's So that's alternative revenue this year in the middle of the kobe pandemic. We've launched diagnostic testing. And now we're about to get into the vaccines and immunizations side of the world. And then we're We just launched last mile pick up. Your product has lost thirty minutes from zero stores tonight. Thousand stores in a matter of two months. So you know. Growth comes in many shapes and sizes. It's new products sits alternative revenue streams its new experiences like buy online pick up in store and so i think that is really what about the. Cmo's got getting the see. Sweden say how. Can i bring growth to this company and to meet the ultimate barometer is when a cfo recognizes a cmo growth driver. And if you get to that point I think that's a good barometer for all cmos to keep in mind so growth. There's definitely top of mind and something very focused on as a company and team wonderful. At least it was so fun chatting with you about this because your role i mean you literally are a chief growth officer as well. You own the growth agenda and worked closely with your chief commercial officer to to look not just what's happening next year but way out into the future. Tell us a little bit about that relationship in how you think about your your growth plans in your targets. Yeah happy to. So yes i am. I am at charged with continuing to grow the portfolio and most importantly flagship brand barbie and absolutely have a lot of collaboration with Not on their commercial team are strat team As well as some of our functional expert teams we've got a head of film Ahead of content from a linear television standpoint and so forth so work with all of my partners to figure out how to unlock growth But it's a really exciting. Time for the brand barbie in particular. You know. we're looking at firstly studying our consumers in going where they're going and realizing that we've been opportunity to Do more we've got a very strong footprint of course in toys but we can expand into other categories more intentionally. We want to be everywhere. Girl is much share of day with her as we can so starting with Which weeks up in the morning to when she goes to bed at night. What products is she. Interacting with experiencing experiences. Is she having so looking at a different category expansion plan looking at expansion into digital girls of course are spending a lot of time gaming just as boys are we really successful app That hearkens back to one of our most successful toys. Dream house. Seventy one million users doing great with kids. Is there a general audience opportunity. Can we expand. Because there's a lot barbie fans. This is a brand that spans decades. So we're multi generational so looking at that looking at also monetize ing some of our content. You know better really exciting. Social platform where barbie in the first person on that barbie style tops. Better day goes to events showcases and brands. Should we be monetize. Matt should be syndicate this into an editorial piece with other outlets so lots of ideas and it's really fun. It's an exciting time to think about. How high is high. Absolutely we're gonna come back in a little bit more about that too because there is so much happening right now across the board in so many opportunities i know veneer you spend a ton of time working very closely with your cio. As you think about really what is through innovation. Look like walgreens. And i i remember watching your drone video now over a year and a half ago with the drone delivery and i was like okay. We've we've essentially entered. The future will feature. That i thought was coming but i mean you just keep advancing that over and over again. Tell us about some of the things that you're working on with your cio. Today yes so our cio and he's like I call them my digital soulmate He We work very closely together. We're almost inseparable. And i think that's just the truth of our jobs now You can't really build experiences without a tight. Integration with your data infrastructure your technology infrastructure and your product management organization. And so. that's a very tight collaboration. So you know you talked about drones. you know. We're we're testing bad as we speak. Imagine being able to take the eight minute walgreens or boots shopping trip which is the average shopping trip and actually be able to stay at home and within eight minutes getting your product kind of delivered into a nest in your front door When your kid has the flu right and you just can't leave because you're at home alone with two of them. One of them has the flu. And you need that. Ibuprofen at your front door. Nate minutes right. So there's some real use cases for technology like that where it's not just sort of nice to have but kind of really acute and game changing to have and change customers lives. I think the other part of it is that we are working on experiences. So what francesco. Co and i have developed is a we've called developed a product roadmap and essentially the product management function is very much a shared responsibility between myself and our cio. We haven't experienced face roadmap and then obviously on his end of the house. You've got the engineers and the architects that will build those experiences. But it's a very tight. Relationship centered around. What are the five or six most important customer needs and experiences we need to solve for And then we develop a roadmap and we build and and go from there. So i think that that cio cmo segio. Whatever you wanna call it. Relationship is now probably the most important one in the c. suite and it's something that we take great pride and nurturing and role model league in our organization wonderful and in lisa speaking of aleutian read already seen such huge transformation especially with the barbie brand. Since you've even been at mattel and yet you're constantly thinking outside the box on all the things you were talking about earlier about how to really think about the future. Talk a little bit about evolution. Barbie because i think as i said earlier work wow i mean very impressive. What you guys have been able to accomplish with barbie brand. Well thank you. I mean we candidly had a real Brand issue about six seven years ago and understandably us brands stand the test of time. And you know go through six decades of legacy. You're going to have some highs and you're gonna have some lows but we found that About six or seven years ago we lost touch with culture. Frankly and we're always ask from work connecting to culture and so we started to journey to modernize and evolved the brand. We started with positioning and going back to the original purpose of the brand Barbie was created by a female entrepreneur. Businesswoman also co-founder founder of mattel and the whole purpose behind the brand originally was to inspire the limitless potential in every girl so grounding ourselves in that notion of female empowerment and shifting from what barbie is to what she enables with was a huge pivot and we developed mazing communication programs around that we then though absolately had to scrutinize our product line and the way the brand was being perceived by kids and parents Barbies body was polarizing. We had to evolve it so we introduced multiple body types curvy skinny petite tall We also knew that we needed to add more diversity into the line to make sure that the brand was reflective of the world that girls in kency around them. And we've been doing that ever since We knew that we had an opportunity to celebrate real women role models so we started a program called xiros and we created like this dolls. A real women doing amazing things in areas where women are underrepresented in career fields. And you know that became a great spark of of inspiration for for girls knowing that they could be something is so helpful when they see real women actually doing these things. And then of course we evolved our content. We made barbie more relevant as a character. We made her more vulnerable less perfect and then really works to be an expand and go wherever girls were of going we. We looked at a purposeful approach across every touch point. And then you know a few years ago. I'm really proud. We introduced an actual social mission. Campaign called the barbie dream gap initiative. We found that through Interesting research at nyu was running that. Starting at the age of five girls start doubting their abilities. They they believe that they are less capable. Unless you know able to do things as boys so we wanted to get to the root of that. So we've initiated this dream gap project where funding more research to understand. You know the root cause of this and we're continuing to lean into again creating a more diverse inspiring product line content offering its cetera to showgirls. That they can be anything help them reach their lowest potential so the world kid thank you enough in his vinnie. Can test about being part of the abbey We have a very very large. Gi council in obviously dui has been important for all for so many years. But i'm still happy that it took center stage last year And so all the work the Been putting into it as really been a great one way And i i commend you. And so i wanna thank you. Behalf with the whole industry. Girls everywhere is so important In you know when you think about though this last year so many unique challenges really popped up you. Just talk a little bit about the i. Of course that was a major theme. I hope will continue to be a major theme for every year but look for some of the specific things from kovin that had to pivot in as as you thought about huddle. I actually help. Mike consumers in this current time consumers and customers right because in your case the consumer is not really the customer So what are we. Start with you. Lisa vanita lived here. If the same from you. Well you know as we all sort of starting to realize the The gravity behind this pandemic it causes certainly ause we. We had to completely scrap the majority of our marketing plans for this year for a variety of reasons. I mean the first thing we wanted to do was make sure that we were ecorse taking care of our employees making sure everyone was safe Physically as well as mentally. But then of course you know we went to our consumers. And you're right. We have multiple consumers. I mean kids are the end user of our toys but also we have parents. That are the purchasers so we tried to think about the tone of our marketing messaging. The programming the offers that we could make that not only provided entertainment and You know good Sort of teachable moments for kids but also uncomfortable kids but also we wanted to create marketing tools. That provided some help to parents. We created the mattel playroom at digital hub where parents could go as a free resource in yet tips on games to play Arts and crafts projects content to watch with their kids. We did something similar. Of course specific to barbie and really wanted to make sure that throughout this situation we were a voice of comfort for kids their parents and so forth we tailored a lot of content To be direct about what was going on in kids lives. We created a log of barbie in first person talking about this new normal and what she's doing to occupy your time on social media as we went into quarantine Barbie she started wearing a mask. She started begging banana bread She participated in all sorts of challenges. So we wanted to bring some levity and entertainment and comfort but also where we could we provided more constructive. I would say teachable opportunities wonderful about you. Yeah i mean look. I think obviously with covid We were right in the center of it with our boots business in the uk and our business walgreens here on the us. And i think it's all about the reemergence of the community pharmacy and a community pharmacist. If you think about it we were all sheltering in place. We still are in many cases. And you know we weren't really moving. Beyond a mile radius of our homes to pick up everything that we needed and so the role of the community pharmacy and the community. Pharmacists really transformed. And i say we did a couple of things that are really Really we had to pivot hard and fastner company. The first thing is you know we really lived into our purpose. This idea of Providing health and wellbeing to every community in america no matter what. What's the socioeconomic class race. It doesn't matter where in every community we have to serve each community with a quality and equity and ensure there's no sort of health desert's and you know the first thing that we did was we gave access in completely transformed our our app So we actually launched a new app which actually integrates all of our health services in one place so whether that's you know actually buying otc products to fight that fever whether that's You know buying. Ppe products like masks actually one of the first retailers in the country to have masks and bp products on shelves so we really rushed through that. Or it's you know booking a covid test you can do that now. Book and flu vaccine fine telehealth services. Be the first thing we did was. We tried to create an experience for customers. When health is so forefront all in one place all through an app experience that makes it seamless and easy per customer. Stick air the second thing that we did and really focused on this whole idea of buy online. Pick up in store. you know. we've got nine thousand stores in the us where within five miles of pretty much. Everyone in america and so the role we can play for customers in terms of ordering something wanting it completely contactless knock going into a store. You know being within a few minutes of their home. I'm sure many of the people watching this level walgreens within a mile or two of their homes we launched in nine thousand stores buy online pick up in store for full assortment within months To really meet customers with that with that proposition you can imagine a back. End technology and infrastructure that needed to be built to do that lastly And very importantly we went very much into the cova did Testing enemies ation space show. Many of our stores turned into drive through kobe. Testing centers show. You could literally pull up. You have to get out of your car. You would do the no swab and within Within minutes really fifteen to thirty minutes you would get a result For you and your family so we kind of pivoted kind of our parking lot's almost two cova testing centers. And you know. I know this. Is airing in drinks. Cvs but in december we actually Put out and work with operation warp speed and the us department of health and human services and department of defense trash the become one of the largest providers of vaccine and immunizations for covid We actually just administered our first one We're recording the here. On december eighteenth and it was just an amazing achievement. We're going to go to the most vulnerable populations i are pharmacists are now actually deploying administering vaccine's and nam senior care homes. You know across the country and you can imagine taking a pharmacist role and actually pivoting it from dispensing through do vaccine delivery and elderly care homes. The amount of training and speed with which that was done coordination with the department of health and the and the us military It's just been an unbelievable year and we're really proud of our organization for learning new skills launching new experiences and really trying to live into that community pharmacy idea and elevating the role of walgreens in every community mile will thank you. Well my goodness. I didn't expect to be sitting your thank. You both for just Impact for everyone around us. So i feel very honored to be here with you both And i have so many more questions but we are actually coming close to the end of our time so how about. We moved to like a lightning round. Would that work for you guys. Let's have some fun. The technology the right now so when asking questions. And i'm actually gonna split these up so beneath. I'm gonna ask you to give us a one-sentence response to what i'm going to ask. I'm gonna drop a word or phrase and i'm gonna do it three times. Do the same thing with you. Lisa but three different topics. Okay ready all right here. We go venise. Artificial intelligence and machine learning. What does it mean you. Automated content creation meeting customers questions where they are awesome and will impact your business moving toward absolutely i mean performance storytelling is gonna require thousands and hundreds of thousands of pieces of content and human simply won't bill to create all of it so i think i will be critical to to developing all of that awesome. So let's keep going on will impact your business. Ar vr absolutely ar vr. Is i think going to be specifically. I think a are is going to be a new sort of shopping experience. I think the purchase funnel from discovery to purchase is going to shrink. And i think those these a our environments are going to be key to to enabling future. Okay last one robotics yeah. We talked about drones. You know You imagine drone delivery at scale rec- you're receiving products within eight to ten minutes of ordering it. I think robotics robotics are gonna play a huge role in the future. How customers receive what they buy. Amazing okay lisa over to you go connected. Play connected play. Well i would say Continuing to figure out how to enhance. I'll our analog play with sort of digital plus ups You know we don't want to ever do tech for tech sake. But if there's a way to optimize a great khanate play experience with technology booster. Were all about it. Super okay connected. Tv connected tv. I would say you know. Go where the eyeballs are going and make sure that we've got great storytelling in content on every platform and then figure out how to event ties Those premiers the series launches To drive as much viewership as engagement possible all right last one streaming audio streaming audio. That's when we're really excited about. I'm dying to get into a podcast space again. We've got barbie as a blogger. We've got barbie influencers her on instagram. So podcast is next Coming soon i. That sounds really cool. Actually i'm curious. Who'll be bari So that that'll be interested. All right. very cool okay. So lisa i would be remiss. If i didn't ask you a question that i ask vinnie now at least twice So as are welcome to our family. cmo moves. There's one question every answer. If money and talent were no object any. You can't be doing what you're doing today so i can't answer that. What would you be doing. That's a good one I would say. I would be a teacher at an all girls. School very common theme actually teachers from anybody that touches marketing. There's something there that storytelling coming back rightfully. So just three an all girls school during my elementary years. So i'm connected. And i had the privilege of being able to speak at events and to see again in the kids faces light up and to be able to provide some inspiration at such a young age. I think is such a gift absolutely will need to be fair at folks didn't hear your first two times at you question with what would you do. Yeah i would. I would open a pizzeria on a beach and chill served pizzas and make some cocktails. Oma got anti-disease charlie cole and german ended. I think you guys talk about okay last question for both than bureau at a time. If in this is really. I think favorite questionable right down. What one thing. Are you most optimistic about the future. Lisa how you. i'm really optimistic. About a couple of things. One is how empathy is becoming in the forefront of leadership and how Certainly this crisis that we've all been living through us forces to all be better listeners Show up even more so as human beings in in the meeting. Rooms boardrooms and You know really excited to see that that level of humanity take off and To see leadership lead with it. I also really impressed with how so. Many companies have been more proactive in addressing. The incredible needs around diversity equity and inclusivity I think what we need to make sure we do though is not just talk the talk but walk the talk what we say externally is something that we also need to make sure modeling internally but optimistic about the future wonderful denise how. 'bout you look building off. Lisa's great point. Some you know. I'm i'm really optimistic. About frankly the the next generation of marketers You know. I think these issues. We have in our industry around racial equality you know. Servant based leadership empathy. I just feel like you know. We kicked off something inside. A company called marketing for change which is really a movement around transforming our voice in the industry to represent the diversity of society. And you know the rules marketers. We play there. And i tell you we had like six or seven hundred people joined the first town all all of our first second third generation marketers. That are i think are going to transform the industry for the future so i think we have an up and coming group of marketers that i think are gonna make our industry that much stronger and that much better and i'm really excited for the future of our industry Because of them. I am also equally excited about that. You combine the empathetic leadership that only referring to as a role model blueprint the courtesy to other human beings. But also one thing. We didn't get to today but we will come back and talk about another day. Is the unicorn and how we can actually equipped them to be successful with all this new technology around us in all the new skills that they have to constantly developing so mid. I wish we had another half hour but we don't. I wanted to say thank you so to both of you for being here. This was such a wonderful conversation. Thank you both. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in state. Hope you enjoyed the show. If he did. I would love your help. And sharing cmo moves with one of your friends or colleagues who you think my enjoy too and if you have time i would really love your review ratings on apple or soundcloud so thanks again and have a great day.
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"Welcome to the podcast. I'm rick cow. Let's go so we ever boy steph. Still here he was talking with stab much. You wanted to stay for another episode really appreciate you stuff particularly because we started talking about striking polls had to come back to this has to do if we have any guest. You know they talk with us. That just means something right. That doesn't mean something right. The show. This has been wanting to come back from mormon We were talking molly. Power power skilling's jaguars z and how it compares to everything like that. So yeah boy. Cavins really passionate about those here and i was like. Hey i'm i'm gonna give you guys a disclaimer right now. I'm a dragon. ball z. Stand will give you unrealistic. Unenvious realistic love for dragon. Ball z. But i'm butter logically. Put down the simple argument. At none of your fever. Enemy character will get washed. 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Now we're didn't chances me watching the show where we're cannon supply basic enemy fundamentals based relation. You just learn to quote yourself key lovie defensive or it's all as it damages has it. I'll be not even like key. Whatever but it's just like nonsense that having an enemy and that don't really require an answer. She's like why did this happen. I was like it's anime. Just accept that anyway. Know it needs to make sense i was like shoving gotta stop letting you know we should do make a list of like just random powers that go who has like you know how like when you won't be died and he twinkled his eyes and made agree for him. I don't remember it'd be lately on planet namic remember. Di di di freezer killed like. He twinkled his eyes and he made a grave. And like if you're not remember right. After like kill geeta twinkled. His eyes twinkled. They was there alive or the league. Lately i i live reaction to immune several stock talking to meantime but what the fuck but i would like to see is are like to see for fan favorites like nimbus coming back numbers z. I very much enjoyed numerous jaguar. Coming back road. This is not back. And i'll tell you why because all these way except for master he can't even use it because he's not pure of heart such currently watching. I'm just waiting for justice league with a habit. i don't remember the scene at all. You don't need local. I remember him looking angrily. Down effigies his body data and folk with each other. They still don't focus each other at google's looking you the chamber gravity room right like while going through grabbing like gravity bills less space. What was wrong. Why do we have the same reaction as for. no no. no not all the way back destroyed earth with his eyes by earthy humans the terrain not the actual plant who were trying to be as specific as possible decrying. Yeah he was climbed was quite smooth always crying. Od cry if i think lewis can destroy terrain near flickers is thinking about anything about this. I think a lot of like. I think ricky brought up freezing point. The of dick will not the it was a while ago. How like goku go. Whose powers are going to manifest into something like healing or something because if you think about the different things he's done throughout the time so i'm thinking about the different anything about the random powers that go over time like you know using his is to create the whole or like member in inside the bird. Yeah when he was fighting. Remember when was fighting broglie and he was like controlling him. He taming his mind and stuff like that so in the cooler movie. We like. you saved this bird. Yeah like he was healing stuff. Thou brought saw. I was thinking like at some point. Like if all those random like anything about all the random powers the goku has any kind of bring them into little culmination. If that leads anywhere i don't think this is i. Don't there's going to be valid because key. That wasn't clear at all but there are not you. Bring this up this way about people in general having random powers. I was watching this clip about like go tanks when he got stuck in into hypo. Tom chamber justices green dimension. Crazy bolton's powers. Generally he can create like create colluded. I like he can take. He can take key and make it into physical. This honeycomb thing when he lapsed in a ball in nazi he literally takes key and turns into physical matter just goes comically suicide. Like creates ghost. Or i mean not really goes but he seems like a type of. He's a key manipulator right like everything about but that might be because when you become fuser especially the type of fusion they did. There are no longer like saying type. They're like metamorphosis which is like that's like that's where we go kugler infusion from martin's as we also say that is like the best be later then no. It's not it's not as doodo really absolutely. I mean didn't didn't really doing the impressive. Human ablation other than what they can individually during their base worms their soul punisher. Yeah where he actually attacked. He doesn't take a physical body. Okay fine so we're seeing regular soup than for any fudge. When he was fighting he he needed to smoke. And like i dunno. I guess. I don't know if it was for dramatic effect if he was actually shadowing verse in what we also know. That movie blew a lotta shit. Other medics i guess in terms of power i would say either. I think he does make a good point in terms of like okay of manipulating compl completely. Ignoring somebody critically important besides margin boo go. Let's go tanks mahjong boo. I will say he turned master. Candy bro margin was a master manipulator and then we have the jets who can actually manipulate their body to an extent. And if you. I think if you can take like the mango into account the yard drive. People also have a lot like they have. Inserts is just a first level power. So i think that's an interesting point if you getting geeta is now he huw of sands yet especially the direction. You're not going to see our you readership or yeah probably probably not almost It was really leaning towards vida becoming this master key manipulator whereas goku is like the super physical type Right we can say ora- instinct is a physical thing where your body's thinking on. Its own right like were like. He doesn't really matter in instinct. Right above geeta is a master of thinking. He so where we think that he cannot. Instead of overcoming his thinking trying to be like goku is going to become a master. Think yeah and so thinking about the everything. Goku doesn't really make key techniques where we geeta has a final shine final flash big bang. These are all his own original taking spread gala gun and so he's worrying to manipulate keanu. Way versus like attaining god key attaining whatever the yard drive so spearfish nation type techniques to whatever and so it's The of meaning towards him lending from like bureau scenario destruction techniques in and while goku is tony his body and what have come from his actual body. If you think about right if you think about when i'm thinking michael tag most protagonists in shonen. They usually have very simple techniques. Like if you think about an early alvin says simple. It's the conic yet. Inconsistently in arto the fights ending russell. Ram shattuck. ju. It's going to be like it's always been on. This is going to be some type of a big like there's going to be different transformation to put our. It's gonna end in like gina gina. He has moves and you them like yelling moves. Zoos situation big being explosion having final flash like gala gun different moves rightly final. Anything wasowski saskia has moves saskia. Hit combos yeah flex asking has more. Nuttal has moves. He just doesn't use those moves in any single will go. Goku can last year where he has a spirit but for the most part like us his goals and like take soul eater like if you think about like this is pretty simple movement the site you think blast darker fucking moves right so let me think later stuff. If you take a lot of conic enemies like the main character is usually pretty simple. They're not usually to one spirit guns spirit. But he had news and co barra moves and karama had Rama had fucked moves. And if you think about you actually tried to introduce moves right but they had shotgun all came down to literally spirit. Spirit gun and energy charge. Punches. and so if you've been waiting to build protagonists like they're not built to have built to him thinking types like types of they're not built to be the protagonist now. Of course. now. I wanna watch the g type protagonist. Anyway i like him as condom man always shining finger we left. That was my hero academia at the end of the day punching. There's a smash bang moves moves toward okay. This they kinda did they. Kinda did start to give doria moves with the with the whole his new thing like with bunkers and then obviously the thing is. I don't look like moves. They just look like things that happen while he gets. It seems like steps to get to his move. Beats right agreed. Yes so like like the whole blackwood. Later he was incorporating here us up at this fucking point you really. How are i can grab this shit. Bring me closer spiderman specimen us did ability they watch himself deniger real quick just like that time is how backwards yet and i think there's an important part of it like it is the reason like i just. I went on that tangent. I was just thinking about when we were talking about like the differences between the and go who gave. I'm thinking about so many shown in protagonists like the shonen protagonists. Don't have moves. I think lucy is probably the shown them protagonist with the most wolves. Even when you go peace breaks you hunt. Movies moves the storm punching like any anything about bleach even if you think she had moved show and did you watch that video i sent you actually those crazy but even if you think about even when they introduced new moves or the protagonists by initially kind of fade to the win shot when you ski ever use the shot and i'll tell you why when shotgun was introduced because the editor privately if needed a flare it up a little and he was like fine. He'll use the shit but will use them all his spirit guns like that type of like appeal to it you know to be more consequential of our either but that's anything about waste. I went one spirit. Gun became like as big as a room right and like as he got stronger. When there was no limit on how many spirit goes he was like shukri spirit now so he had limits still on that he was using demon engine as long as you demon energy you set when he ran out now remember what the towards the like once he got to like those no limit on spirit on like once he got. Dinky those no limit on. He was blessed as many times as he wanted. There was no more like in the beginning of the doctrine amazing to he's still had like ten. Ten anchors like five. Now i can do this many. And then he's like okay but towards the end got ties t the moral limits on the spherical. He can blast as many as you want. It just depended on. How big meet them. Like he could remember he was blasted remember. He was two girls like come back to grow your finger. And not you skateboard beside us. Gay i love bro. Like i'm talking grip his released honestly has he done other other. Shit you rightly i would. I would hear it. But i don't know this. Maybe something fucking great in his enemy protect characters be. Where would they be in the united states house. Go to new york. At least in the northeast like i would not take. You can't be from anywhere besides tristate area at the very worst from jersey. Yes the very. Yeah maybe boston. Upper midwest no midwest. Yeah i'm gonna say he grew up impoverished life a lot of the mid west. Do you remember the kind of ret. Conned his his grown up a little bit like in some of the cons attention care of by the third who gay and that's how he becomes attached to him. And then some of the rick cottages by himself all the time but you know he does have a house and he did have. i mean. they can't show him said every single time like he was able to find some sort of joy. Doing whatever. Like so i don't think is right. Conning showing like moments that kagame like gave him some attention and then all talk attached to that i think is a nice touch to see and i'm glad they show at the end of the show where he's like already happy so use. This little nuggets have not having a happy childhood. Are these segments of. Yeah so. I'm going to call it like a recon yet and i think it's better. That village didn't complete. It's not like he was. It was complete. Hell for because still have some reason to fucking of these people at the end of the day or something. Yeah you still focused chic amaro him. Saskia had brain spoken bond. You know there was a era and everything like that nia so i'm glad to see some sort of semblance of not having not completely Child area granted. I think even with the good parts. I wouldn't want it out. You can't pretty bad for senate. Burson parents had definitely gone. He was abandoned. You don't know why you don't know why everyone just fucking yes. You're you're hated and ignored. The kids ignore you. They pick on you and the parents literally fucking hate and no one tells you why. But you're matching just walking on your block right discussing those blocked. It's been happening since you were a case. You don't even remember why yes for as long as you can remember. Neil yes he just fucking you harbor. You're not you live in this except this one thing going to give me a free house. He's know why nautilus referee music minds. That's why because if you really big about it. I don't know like the cheap. The i'm glad you pointed that out. I always wondered how to papers assessment in house was broke. He stayed gama donald john. His wallet stay empty. And i'm is that like is he a ward of the state doesn't get a stipend stance now to death penalty putin so i'm like why don't they just give them a little more with the fuck winemaking poor in hadn't had not assisted. You had tommy. Like his father was a ho- kagame. Leave him any sort of inheritance. Shackling crazy you did as play. You've seen the house that they have nice goes living it up. You know not even a studio. I think when our has after first time he should have slapped him. I city and then hugged them. Remember he all this the first thing he did his arm. Your father word buki lag used just like oh this is know. This is your fucking fault. I have to listen and the timing of. you're trying to be like some like no. I'm lily being taken over by my hatred fighting in the who just destroyed my village and the girl. I didn't know my lafayette. And then you wanna say you're my dad like this is your fucking fault. It's really bothering me. That he was always because they gave him a little bit more money. So this should games an extra scratch. Just goes like this dude was the living off of fucking company right. You could at least give an option to live off of the negated like the rahman child got to give this nigga free just sometimes sometimes just because you're not giving him enough shelter each yacht rahman did real peace and not only remember not only our toby like. Oh ho cocking got a rich fame namely mitch. The cat osma is my swag days. It was always dripped out own. I live in one night. And she's adding to corn is living nine pro. You know awesome was slain all the talk but he did leave the think. Because you don't think was a fuck nigga a little bit. You'd all right misguided i have. I've said this before. I'm on christina's the third calculus trash human being like absolutely horrible human being for the outage should happen and so it would make sense that his sons also picked shoes. That's that's more no call to komo. Don't do that to muslim thirty not. He's trash bro. He lived in also live like that. He led now to live like that. I'll stay in the things i government. Living's also was really worked. He's also he's into the grinch like he's he really wanted to have some great okay our you know how like you listen one. I remember one. I think this is filler. When he was talking about the reason he likes to put one cannoli and two men on the team because he likes when they battle for her attention. And that's one of the things that dr nestle talk the shit and i was like what you only right then yet japan. You cannot right shin. American you know and i thought i was going crazy well house. He's like he's like the challenge of fighting for love is going to push you forward and honestly besides fucking leeann. Leeann and edgy content. Didn't play out and in fact they're trying to avoid attention if anything that's true but you know it was kind of like they are really saying that's also give a fuck about sacre gonna say strength was nowhere influence attention about soccer only got to work for winning l. Our i hope this is only village. Because i'd hate for like whatever we're at incestuous thing to happen to the wings amazon hoping just the third cognitive think again. Okay okay you saying this. But he is like telling children hughes manipulating the feelings of children to become stronger by doing this. Is that what you're telling me. So you're reinforcing. The fact that he's a trash nigga hilton cog in a regular role. I would say yes. You're agreed with you but let's not. Let's also put into context. we're also in the world. that's okay with children soldiers in the first place. This is getting real deep. Oh no no the the the biggest far. We're talking about all the time we're also in the kinds of jobs soldiers like when you hear about. She was joining when you hear him. Johnny level like how many people had killed brahim a genius people at six years old. He's he's taking men's lives. Yes and about if you got to the body count by like thirteen. that's crazy. If you think about it right remember when and nabi got kidnapped right and her favorite trinket is a nice with a hello kitty on a knife for murder. Hello kenny on favorite is not a lot of these exactly thinking about it other shit like i'm gonna murder a lot of young so it makes me think of gas was os Hit girl who goes in forget but our the purple girl is like and she was playing like butterfly nicer. That's not me but it just goes like trained to kill right like he's an egg like if you think about like a touchy in like they've gone to more in their lives and most adults will ever have to in their entire life like they murder people they kill them in cold blood news. Hold its okay so if you think about it obviously he's gonna have some. Pt as the intern. Not to be fucked up people. I think akashi arc is honestly the most realistic about how long it took to get over the ship. And he's seen some. Okay okay you bring up a good topic that i want. I want to get into eventually trump. We spoke about the. Yeah the late what. We'll talk while bound to trauma another day when i have to. I'm keep alluding to the snow potter. Fucking report it Is going to be great. And so like some filler is good right good. Moderation offers good muttering. only if. It's like the good filler. That add backstory. sometimes. I hate to like fuck in. Let's go shopping fillers. I hate those like dragon. ball z. Had almost i can't remember are you can go and take a little bit how to drive that. That was one of those. Were fun because it was short. No let's not forget. I hated that they would. They would put the jaguars at good spots. Never put them in the middle of a fucking twenty. Leonardo tola narrative the narrative The bleach bleached naruto naruto. Sometimes they would be marooned versus fucking modify poodle filler in the middle which. I don't know that you an remember is before the last i will kogyo. They went on a eight month. Hiatus that's all. Dv okay well. it was this criminal. The criminal is wrong. how they sculpt it. I did like that. It was a good. How is how you prepare the filler. Really face how i'm gonna receive like like influence. Okay i can. I can act like each for the bow arc. It was right after the soul society. Are we have to deal. Issued a losing his powers and was dealing with the whole quincy backstory. It was cool right. But then every fucking filler active users like we're gonna take a break from this story. Just do another story and bleach in like. Don't forget and sometimes they all right. We're back like a schiller later. Family was really well done in like it was so good union knows. I don't know like if you want to start reading the mandate and the pound arc. She was real often actually so glad that i got to watch each later on where it wasn't it wasn't watching. Tv where i could just say. Skip the phillies. I used his lawyer dan. I wish i wish i westbound. I watched all the other arts. But i would skip any a moving on. I really cannot stand especially for a long time late. It throws me off wanna maintain the momentum of the show like if you take black clover. I think they do a lot of good philip. They doing good good for like you got to know. The time skips right like filling up the time. Skip with what happened during the time. Skip amazing filler. That's a great idea. Because you always want to see what happens when you know. It's crazy when they give you a little but most times would derive. You love that shape when he was like you know. It's it's the same studio a studio payroll and it's like they're learning they. They did bleach. The did naruto the they hated. How deflate this way but with black clover. Let's try this way and like it's working. You know you watch fairytale very have really bachelor fairytales. Not show in the first place. Yeah one thing i appreciate. My hero is a make the show season all so that they can afford solve. This is my mind like that. Well one of my heroes. Different like like shows like or shows like one piece like dude. There's no they'll get a campy seasonal like their serialized their import popul- like you can like z. Need to be continuous. My louis the same fucking magazine though so. I think it's just a new approach. On how till. I adapt something by giving it. Seasons giving a break to like establish concept before original content specially bones because bone tunceli field. And that's before it was like the first full metal alchemist series. Where like that happening. Why didn't nazi germany. You know and like all with soul eater. I mean essentially the same thing but it's not as satisfying the actual manga how it ended right and so would bones during themselves like our favor by lay all right. Let's take this chunk of the manga to give it a rest discharging among and it rest. Like i think that's good and i liked. The direction is going. If it means like not really filler. Well not the phillies bad thing. Say if i saw feeling myrow. I think actually make not enjoy it at all. I like i like the new idea. The cannon filler do canto. it's not a one. His thing like one piece made a pretty much one piece set the like they set the bar on. I mean even the one piece kind of deed did not need a twenty minute ago. Law like i'm all to exclusively. I think filler should be the time like it should be fiddler right. It should be feeling pieces of the show. Warrant elaborated on the context of Should be like but we're filling in. It's not a where they don't. I think it should be nice little garlic little parsley little green onion on talk. You know. that's what chopping of. Like if i if you'll know anything about this dude as dude loves food mean. I told him you should have his own web series of like a call. Shuki no kelvin. Because he's that passionate about food. It'd be calvin some pie. Honestly they will have alcohol. Calvin i'm thinking about doing this. How should also emergency food text answering you music. That's the quickest calvin webber response emergency food texts. Not even like anything. I could be dying now that he won't team but it's not like emergency food text. Thank you because what if what if he was on the stove right. Then it's critical. Yeah very time sensitive issue. Yes like if you want to count his attention meals like food. -mergency don't even bother. I kind of follow my dad's model when life. It one time. Mom like he turned his phone off this time. If if it's an emergency me hurt himself. Really white called meek nine. What i can't was that thing like crisis that like me. He's like at the end of the day. Why am i ruining my sleep favor. No but he kinda had a good point like elderly and he always had a theme of just as. That's not a good plan. So you think waddling you can't let the world disrupt your pace for no reason like all you're doing is worrying and stressing Realistically getting content and the grand scheme of thing yet but there's the if he's willing to sleep through an emergency that you have what you think the if it should. It should only matter if you could help me like literally from after ten thirty known can reach me except my sister and my girlfriend and i know that everyone every an emergency. They're going to reach my sister and then she'll tell me if it's important not number. How do i need this number. Yeah you should probably get that number case you need to reach me after ten. Thirty shaush bottom. If on my phone the game so anyways sorrow. Toby is trash map. And you can't tell me other. But what i will say saratoga was the most politically corrupt chicago. Yes between told rama harsh. Ima and i'm sorry her shema minato they were all pure hearted they honestly they just accepted the title because you just have to accept the title. They have a genuine interest in the village to maintain the village. Here's what i will say though. I think he was needed in a lot of places. And i think he could do a lot of things that a lot of the other ones couldn't i think he was consistent and like he was always available to be there and he was always willing to do the things that i think a lot of other people. I'm not saying he's this is sarah toby trump. No you're not not trump because it's our toby's highly capable at the end of the day like he even took off. The he was the second of should not had said some who are whatever was one is you toby. Toby bush truman. Who's the one that dropped out. Who's gonna draft avon I'm not a history by it. Was truman right. I'll just sounds sounds like you got a rule. I don't think any of the other ones would drop a-bomb i think saratoga would. Oh yeah not that. He wouldn't even think about. It was to go. Yeah okay. i mean sheesh. Bush charging iraq though startled. Same thing on site. There's a certain time of like you know again. I'm truly sorry. Toby presents so really. Well there's double saying he's also really intelligent wisely. Stodgy conservatively. bush doesn't have an airline ceo. Told me that really by the book like really. He's he's really in as like he gets. Should i'll start hokey for awhile. I announced to pass it on the fourth of the dead. Nobody's gonna take item. You take it back on your the damn boone out of control. Okay how about you. I need you to murder your whole family. You do that. Because they won't see coming from you. They saw us coming. It would be a whole war. I think it'd be easier if you just murdered your whole family. I think i'll let you little brother live so you just say more things that make me. Thanks into a seeing a little clip. Definitely i can imagine like the more i think about. How discussing the individual that is he was in saratoga. Do is if you're from the east. You know fuck than i thought about it because every time i talked to mickey bought art so he always brings up. How trash our toby's sarah. Toby i of ugly villages is just. I hate saskia the most and then like salvator ian danso you know and i i hate don on the fact that he was just power hungry but like salt. We had the power. You can't tell the difference between them be can't yes that's true. Because at the end of the day the Toby new donald up to and he saw donald one thing as a necessary evil. He's he he didn't he's like i'm the ho- kagame in terms of shadow late. Yeah so basically he basically instead of stopping donzel he just kind of put internal checks on. He's like hey kokot any to watch on it. Let me know what's going on while too much. And once he saw that he put keke doing his life is broken him. So much okay. I'm getting the joy of teach boys down to fashion. Akashi is a social number one cash people skills are you could say he's anti social sociopathic people you can show how many people dinars narzo kill kaku pretty much some some pains. Not you know. They're bridges bridges. Being control is probably not doing kills that ethic akashi the you give those tutorials cash cash kaku here damn bro using bali really nobody else michelle kagi not even dead. She dead damn bro. This thing he nobody count bro. That's slow south is type blow to touch you council. Got dadar do we. Can't we can't our he. He was a last resort. Saskia was me reaching my and we worship these guys the gods it and enjoy world. Hey i mean if you think about it like an article is a good guy. You kill people. I'm just glad that he's willing to kill people. I'm glad that he's never explicitly. Said he has no qualms killing people. Because i felt like in a world of chow soldier. You can't be the whole. Oh i'm too good to kill that. Don't work here. you're you're an eleven year old. So humid attention right and even that he still kill people and you've got to think more kitchen. He has the luxury of saying. He don't kill people because he's so much stronger than everybody and he still people afterwards. I mean both before. Afterwards he never kills the angel she now she showed i myself bell. Yeah he did. He had to keep pushing himself and he he killed by both the human fat heat in the human federal. And that's what. We're going to end on things for listening on that same before i go somewhere to. Yes falls on twitter instagram deal. You fan worries be well
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"All right. The anime posse is back in fact that that's that's what they call it. And it's you got your friends your enemy friends. That's my posse. And maybe a possi- with just two or at duo, right? That's yeah. I guess so the anime do. Oh, yes. In the buildings here on all systems. Go go. I'm Jeff Gershman, Dan. Reichert is here. Hello. Hello. I watch anime this week. I did also I watched anime last night. Actually, simply this morning. Okay. I watched a few days ago. I watched it all in one big five episode chunk. Yeah. But I, but I got intensive notes. So I remember everything I played an hour of anthem. I got to watch some anime. And then turn that thing off and watch some anime what was better anthem or anime enemy. Okay. Yeah. All right there. You heard it here for years, folks. That's yeah. Yeah. Not not even close. Anime in video games. Do sometimes mixed though. With the release of jump force this week. There's yes, I'm curious. Yeah. I'm gonna as someone who was played some jumped fours. So force was the first game. I played at three last year. I think I've told that story before. But I think you said the first character you control, the three was Goku. Yep. Yeah. I walked on thing. And it was like, oh, there's no one playing this. I'm gonna play this play as Goku and I did. And I was like, okay. Maybe you a Comey how many high did? Yeah. You hold on the right the right trigger and push ex. And he just doesn't. Triple also like all like, his his clothing, the weird textures and surfaces at work on a lot of the characters. So it's bringing together characters from like the Shonen jump stuff. So it's like it's like dragon ball, and then a bunch of other shit. I don't know. I was wondering about that. Because I will almost certainly not know any of the other characters so many dragon ball folks will I recommend on this. I downloaded it on in played like a forty five minutes of it. And then uninstalled it. It's. I I don't know if there are more unlocked because because free TSA is shown in the intro cut scene doing some stuff. He's up to no good. Okay. And but as far as playable characters, I think it's a Goku trunks and Piccolo Nova Geeta not on the I mean, not in that main roster. I don't I don't know if there are more unlock Ables, and who knows what the plan to do with the, but you know, out of the gate. It seemed like it was like freezer wasn't even on the list. So of playbill characters only there were fighting game filled with dragon ball care. I know that was good. Yeah. Why don't they do that? It's like there's it's it's practically a fighting game. Anyway, they're always having these world martial arts tournaments and perfect. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's like they're doing finishing move their, you know, their punching each other's heads off in different locations and plants. You can be great. Yeah. They should absolutely super show. You could bring in characters from that. Why not? Yeah. Bring it all together the different eras of dragon ball, you could put it all in one thing that that'd be fascinating. I dunno. Instead of all we have is jumped force, I guess which. Which made me really think long and hard about the nature of trunks is jacket. Okay. Gets a capsule Corp one, right? Yeah. His capsule Corp jacket, which I always thought looked really awesome. And I was like man I would wear I wear a jacket like that. But in jump force like I said, there's some weird texture stuff. So Goku kind of looks like an action figure like his his body looks plastic. And in his is his gay looks like it's made out of burlap or something. Screens where it's like Goku next to like human like characters and it's jarring. His eyes are like twenty times bigger than than the human characters. They're standing in the same physical space. Yep. It's odd. Yeah. And then you have the people from whatever, you know, pirate show is in there, and they all look different too. But trunks is jackets specifically in the introductory cut scene. Looks like a Jean jacket. I'm looking at a picture right now. Yeah. That is definitely dim. I mean that looks like when smash brothers finally went to HD consoles, and we saw those images of Mario. And it's like, well that's too much detail on the denim. Yeah. That's what I'm looking at here with the trunk. That's it's denim. Yeah. That looks like denim. I thinking it was more of a canvas or more Terry's. Yeah. Exactly. And and this actually, so so I I need to know what's canonical here. Do you think trunks jacket has always been a Jean jacket? Or is this? Do you think that they are just garbage when they decided to try to make trunks for this game? And they've had to ask permission. I mean, these are this is I p and characters that is taken care of. And I think they would have to be like Hello dragon ball, folks. Yes. This is a jump force on the phone is Trump is that a Jean jacket, and I'm sure they were like we're going to get back to you. And they're yes, it is confirmed Jean jacket. I don't like trunks anymore if that's Jean jacket. I like trunks site. Bentley less that overrides this sword is like weird symbols. He does at his hands and everything all the cool stuff that made you Trump's detracts from it in like a grave sense. There have been cool guys that we're Jean jackets, but not cool the way trunks jacket was cool. When I thought it was like more of a military like he had a guy all like look to him. Okay. And I think he's a pretty good character. But if that's Jean jacket, then he's made some poor choices that I cannot stand by and support his actually Jay Leno, son. Navigate, dammit. He's way into cars. He's not spent any of his dragon ball money. Yes. And he's somehow still on television. So yeah, I don't know. I had I had a weird crisis of conscious around my feelings about trunks as it relates to jump force. But I'm going to try and block that out because I understand jump force because it is not a good video game. Okay. I'm debating whether to install it to begin with or not you're not filling me with enthusiasts. Yeah. It's not you know, like all those behind the back fighters. I, you know, I think are pretty rotten. Anyway, this one seems like even people who like some of those other games have come away from this like, yeah. This is this things bad. So behind the back. I thought it was like a smash brothers thing. No. No. No. No. Oh fuck. So this is like I remember what years before I ever knew anything about dragon ball. I had to review just random dragon ball game. Yeah. That's just like behind the back abled thing. Like that is that sort of should sucks. Yeah. It's not a good. Not good. Okay. You don't need to see that. Okay. Now. But I don't know the weird texture look of Goku. I think you know, like, I think people have been shitting on it a lot. But I think it's kind of. Okay. But but I cannot stand by that jacket. I cannot I will not or the trunks is ruined. Yeah. It's. Well, at least Trump's is a kid now. And you know, like, I don't know if we'll even see you know, team trunks for the rest of this series. Yeah. It seems like they've moved away from that. And there's not enough time left. Really? Yeah. He's traveled back in time or back to his time. And then that's that. But yeah, so you you bristled at the more realistic trunks jacket. How would you feel if they went all the way in the realistic direction? And did like that alita battle angel movie. I keep seeing trailers for that comes out this weekend. I know it's coming out. I have not watched any of the trailers. But okay. So you don't have the whole weird. Look at that movie. I saw a picture that I couldn't tell if someone photo shopped it to look more anime or if that's actually just how it looks at the movie. That's okay. Yeah. All right. What are you a full dragon ball movie live action? But with that weird style. I would I would give it. I would give it a look. I would want to know. What you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Live action dress. Yeah. Stand. They made a live action dragon ball. And maybe it's great. I think universally loved. Yeah. Everyone's pretty much that. I wanna watch that. Okay. All right. Well, you know, we'll be done with this soon enough. If you really you really want to go down that road. It's it's open probably bad. But that sounds fascinating. If I do have a copy of that movie. So you do. Yeah. Excellent. Let's see. So let's talk about what really matters. That's dragon ball z KAI episodes one fifty four through a one fifty one of them she dying for four or five six seven F one fifty eight. Yes. Yes. Math. We are still we are fighting, boo. Here booboo has gone through a lot of changes. And he is going to go through some more here in this run of episodes. They will fight boo from within and without. Yeah. This this went in some directions that I did not see coming. And I'm was was I I would say on the whole. I liked this stuff. I think I do too. I always liked this kind of weird inner space type shit. Yeah. Some Honey I shrunk that Goku type business. Yeah. So the fight continues. And we opened one fifty four here in Virginia was clearly more powerful boost is getting blown to bits. He's reforming except for like his head tail thing of Ejido the throws it over. But blasts it before it gets to him. You know in this fight just kind of keeps going for the, you know in the next few episodes here, the KYW's over other world or getting pretty impatient. The vagina isn't just like finishing the fight. We get some more shots of like boo flexing and bulking up any blows some ghosts. Yes. Yeah. He barks some go sowed. This is the first real attempt at an offense because he was trying to do some shit like like turning his body into a weird Cobra thing and kinda constricting Goku Goku flexes out of it like their Aachen his cast the fast seven. They're exactly. Yeah. Just burst out of it. Yeah. Nothing's really working at all until he does try to go with the big ghost attack. Because he's got the go takes blood flow within them. Yeah. Veto blast. The first run of ghosts since starts getting really cocky here you start seeing more of that. You know, it's it's not even like the Geeta style. Cockiness it it feels more in line with the go tanks stuff where I'm kinda like man stop. See I felt like I noticed that more with boo. Episodes would start getting really cocky and seven is this only because go tanks inside of him. Or is that a part of boo operated and go tanks is no longer inside of him. It's because the fusion time ran out. So it's really that. He's got trunks and go ten in there at this. Right. I mean, just below right? But that's the thing is like the trunks and Goten inside of him. I wonder if that's still just a little bit of shitty cockiness, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Heels. Fly my ghost as when he makes the second set of does. Yeah. It's not. Yeah. He's so he's saying, yes. After the first batch of ghosts gets blasted. He just makes more and then all those ghosts start shooting comet Hawes at Geeta, which is individual flies away. The dodge them the plastic chasing him, and then more go show up, and they shoot him a sink go out to try to cut off Dido's escape. There's a smoking crater and boost seems a little concerned but veto teleport's behind boo and blast fucking head off like a mortal combat fatality just fucking just shoots a blast. Just just the head just explodes off of boo which I thought was also looking thing. Yeah. And also like a mortal combat fatality the one head then turns into a bunch of heads. Yes. Yeah. No. Yeah. There's like nine fucking heads at one point for sure he kept mashing forward and high punch and got heads. I liked the part with all the ghosts. And. Hamata's because it almost for a brief moment felt like this dogfighting thing of like Goku flying around and the ghost chasing after him in shooting coming how my house and everything it felt like it was this aerial, you know, thin more. So than we've seen before. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's yeah. You're right. The go Go's are still dumb. Yeah. Booth turns into a bunch of heads. And he's mad all the heads. Turn back into regular buoy. Started get pissed off here. We get some good Malay stuff in here. Geeta with like a really good elbow to the back of booze neck and boo. Kind can't land in the shots here. There's a really cool sequence here of GTO blocking like a million attempts from boo with just the the right leg there. Yeah. Yeah. Tries to make this energy ball, and he just like punch it away. Yeah. Just not having it. Yeah. Just not just nothing doing. We get a shot of den day who is flying mister Satan and be towards the fight because they want to see what's going on Mr. Satan's freaking out from your and all these explosions, but they were just right back to the fight. And they'll get it. It's more just like this reminder of hey, there are other characters out there doing stuff this might matter later. But for now, here's just a reminder that they're they're out there. Veto getting more and more cocky here and boosts smiles like, he's figured something out. And then he says I've got a question for you. Tell me what you think of coffee candies. And booze zaps for GTO and turns them into like a candy ball like a coffee candy ball. I guess and then a very tiny like Walker type thing. Yeah. And then he says, I've transcribed it here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In your face, you big dumb idiot. Yup. I also wrote that down for Begum in. I think that was the moment when I thought, oh, this is this because go tanks are inside. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The Kaiser freaking out at this point seeing that. A great fighter reduced to candy can't lay a hand on me now slowly little by little dissolve you in my mouth is what boost says, you know. You know words. Yeah, I feel like mystery saying would be jealous of of this turn of events. But what are you gonna do? He goes to eat the ball, but in but hits himself in the face. Instead like he's holding the ball in his fist, and then just punches himself in the face the ball floating laughing booze very scared of this ball. This ball. I mean, yes, I would be too when I realized it was sent yet and could float in fight. Yeah. So vittos still has control even though he's been turned into coffee candy, and he just starts fucking bashing into boo a whole bunch and flying around him. And this is just good weird. It also says the coffee candy says still wanna fight even though your opponent is the strongest candy in the world's. I mean, I was I was pretty into this. Yeah. Yeah. So they're they the ball just bashes boo for awhile. And then eventually just rips through the back of booze mouth. And so boom turns him back into GTO. He's had enough. He's like all right fine. This isn't gonna want this sucks. Gets more Malays booze yell at a bunch shoots him blasts. But nothing's landing boob gets blown in half. Again, vigilantism shots to the head. You know, this major double accidental here. Yes. Yeah. This the this is maybe one of the top five double ax handles in the entire run as it in. Yeah. It's it's beautiful beautiful stuff. Yes. And I noticed here is like Virginia's faces like it's good because sometimes you see some very Goku looking faces there. And sometimes you see some very Geeta like expressions, like they I think they do a pretty good job of showing both of them at different times. I just feel like he looks boring. Like, I think the face looks generic. I don't really see any also. Well, it's it's in it's fleeting moments. But yeah, I think generally he just looks like he looks like an off brand saying he looks like fan fiction saying that someone's like I had made my own saying, I think that's why I don't like him. He looks like a default. Like create a saying. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not into the gear or anything. Yeah. Exactly. It's like the the gear just it doesn't say he's fine. But yeah, I I get what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Then. Yeah. So let's see Gino gives boo ten seconds to pray or whatever. And who hatches this plan to absorb GTO because he's noticed that he has his head tail thing down on the ground. You skipped the part where boot is talking in Vedeno puts a fucking energy beam soared through his mouth while he's talking. And then says he totally owns him a. Yeah, you're right. I did you're right. I nor the part like he's mid-sentence in all this you just see booze head, and it was like, whoa. And energy soared through the head. Yeah. You're right. That's yes. That did happen. So yeah, this is kind of it feels like it's wrapping up here. But. That head tails out there and boom realizes he his only chances to absorb GTO. And so, you know, the name of the episode is gives it away that that this absorption is pretty much going to happen. And the one twist here is that Virginia's got some inner monologue here that makes it sound like he wants to be absorbed. Yes. Finally, this head tail is still here. Thank you. God. Okay. Finally, absorbs GTO and starts laughing. And then we get a a good shot weird shot of booze insides as we kind of punch out of the episode. There's a very brief moment right before the tail and Phillips GTO or he's like charging him now inland kinda makes like a weird energy field around. So I don't know if that's like to get to max level or whatever before he's absorbed or to create some sort of protective shield, but like it's obvious that this was all planned. Yeah. It's a protective shield we find out in the next episode. That. Yeah. He wanted to get absorbed in wanted to try to shield himself from getting absorbed. So he could get loose in in boos body and set free. You know, Piccolo who is in their Piccolo, go Hongo ten and trunks. Yes. And they're all in these weird like killer clowns from outer space like cotton, candy, cocoons, basically, the whole thing looks like the last level of contra in there. Yeah. Yeah. I ever sent. Yeah. And so they're basically it's to say ins loosen the last level of contra which is a game. I would absolutely play. Yes. Let's see here elder kind noses notices the booze appearance hasn't changed since absorbing of GTO and suspects that there's something up, and when video appears he's got a barrier up, and and the KYW's can use their crystal ball to see GO inside, boo. They're like, oh, he's still. Okay. This is so smart. Oh, gosh. What a cool idea. He drops the barrier and then splits apart into Goku and dead vegeta-. Dead vegeta-. He's still got the halo. Oh, okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Which also by the way at the very beginning booth. Does say I did it you big dumb ass. Now. You're a part of me. Ha, okay. There's another very go tanks thing. Yeah. Let's yeah. Geeta crushes earing at this point because they they split apart. They didn't realize they are gonna split apart. But something about being inside. Boo causes them to split or the barriers some some aspect of this splits them up and then vaginas like, yeah. He's like I'd rather be nothing that spend the rest of existence moves with you. And he crushes earing he was very much under duress when he learned about how it was going to be permanent. He was in the middle of like to put this on wait forever shit. Yeah. So now finally has a chance he saw his moments. Yeah. Fuck this thing. Yeah. Yeah. Goku is kind of flipping out at the idea of Geeta crushing the earring 'cause they live. He knows that they need to you know, they need to be boosted will but Goku crushes here his ear ring as well. And they set off in search which I don't think he needs to you just put it in a pocket or something Faulkner, that's very tiny leave it inside, boo. Yeah. Meanwhile, boost smells a cake, and he goes off to a cake shop and starts getting nuts. He's like, dancing and barking. I think that's my favorite thing about one of my favorite things about this stretch with boost of it's because it will all be this like galaxy threatening stuff of him just murdering millions. And then it'll be like, oh, then he smelled the cake. Right. Yeah. Meanwhile, inside the last level contra, they find Piccolo all wrapped up in cocoons and final the others. And they're, you know, they're all unconscious in their Geeta cuts trunks loose and everyone else, and it causes Buddha change form, he's just not as strong now not as clever because Piccolo was giving him the intelligence. I did like these shots of actual boo from the outside like his appearances shifting like like in live action. While these things you're getting disconnected. I thought that was cool. Yeah. That's a that's a cool idea. And then their plans to just like blast a hole and get out of this filth. But, you know, Goku needs to start selling Geeta on fusion to do the fusion dance and Geeta litter has no, thanks. Geeta is also afraid of the dance these. Yeah. Just come on. It's just dance. Yeah. Yeah. They're less leads has gone. Speaking of insecurity with masculinity is what I'm saying. Yeah. Insecurity stuff. They cut to the KYW's during all this stuff while a boo shifting and everything. Yeah. And they're singing a little song saying way to go way to go. No, more super scary, boo. And at the end of this little song and dance their faces touch. And there was like revolt. It's like oh God fuck. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. There's a lot of face touching in these episodes as well. They also find old original, boo. Olfat boo ole proper fun boo- also absorbed encased confusing. Right. Well, he did turn that boo into chocolate and eat him. But oh, yeah. So I guess the other ones had been turned into chocolate and then eaten and then they apparently reformed as tiny versions of their actual cells. Right. No. Because there's something. So I think like evil boo gives a line of dialogue somewhere. We're like, oh, there's something special about him. Because the other ones just got absorbed absorb the same way. Gio. Did. You're right. They weren't part of the lookout candy. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Right. So so the something about that. Let's see. Boo shows up inside himself and starts fucking Goku Virginia while he's just kind of yawning and start landing some shots on but and he's just kind of sinks into the goop and rises up behind them. And you know, you can kind of be everywhere all at once because he's just able to pop a mini version of himself out inside his own body, which is a weird concept. But with this voice, kind of all encompassing voice, saying go, I'm God inside here, which is kind of cool thing. Yeah. I feel like I've seen that before like in movies where it's like, you just hear this voice go I'm God here. Yeah. There's six point seven. Yes. Yes. There we go. But you didn't go coup multi hand blast. The last and they they're cheat. Their cheeks touched here, they go cheek to cheek and put all four hands together. It's a pretty cool blast. And they go around zapping little pieces of boo after this to keep him from regenerating and Geeta still like wiping his cheek. He's still. You just can't handle the concept of. Touching cheeks with Goku. You know, it's fine. It's cool. Yeah. Well, yeah. And booze just cackling at this point. They can't damage him because they're just too small like they're blowing holes in him. But like boo can get holes blown in them all day long. It doesn't matter just in like giant holes. Yeah. Risen entire like chest cavity, and he'll be fine. His head gets fucking blown off in his legs. Yeah. These tiny things are nothing. Yeah. That brings us episode. One. Fifty eight Virginia's unhappy starts just shoot off much blasts Goku the big old blast and drills a big old hole. Boo. Reappears as a big head protruding out of the goop. And you know, it's just kind of slamming Geeta Goku around. Trying to absorb Geeta, but Goku saves him some cool stuff here where you're seeing just like giant, you know, by by these character standards fists and everything faces and fists coming out of the just the earth, which is just the organic matters around which is just the inside of boo. Yeah. Yeah. And as these blasts are kind of going everywhere boo makes a point to block one that would have hit the original, boo. An invasion notices that. Blue gets one over on Goku and his threatening him. Pretty well in Virginia makes his way over and threatens to tear the original boo loose, which causes evil. Boo. Proper whatever bad boo to freak out. Virginia's like, oh, what if I tour fatboy out? Yeah. Yeah. And and booze like, no, you don't understand don't do it. He tears them loose. He tears the the original Boulos full boost starts freaking out and inside. He just starts melting everywhere. Yeah. Full breakdown melting and screaming. Yeah. So they gather the prisoners and start to look for to find a way out boost steaming all over again. And that's teams going to boil them alive in their Goku accidentally lands on the ground and burns his ass. There is a shot here when they're flying out of this tunnel. A word almost looked intentional like they were flying out of a butthole. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Is it it's meant to be one of the steam holes. Yeah. It's one of the day. They they pop out a one of the steam holes eventually right in in boo. And yeah, they they struggled to get out. They finally do get out and immediately become full-size as soon as they get out, which that's convenient not explained it all really not touched on a bit. But. That neither you could do twenty episodes on. No, we gotta become full-size again. But no, right or the tiny gang fighting big, boo. Right. Yes. Yeah. The tiny getting finding ants and so boost arts bulking up yet again, he's very vascular here. Just gigantic. You know, just Goldberg esque traps, just I can't traps. Speaking of which I have to give it. Thank you to the folks who made exactly what we requested last week, an mystic mile and Twitter made one very very good Vince, give of investigator Debu. Yeah. Saw a couple of really solid ones out there for sure. Goku Virginia seem confident that boo is weaker now that they're going to have to merge, and this is where we kind of get that kid, boo. Lookin thing he's he's the younger or the smaller looking one but den day is fucking terrified. He's he's energies terrifying. It's weird that evil. Boo. Was so concerned about a big blue getting disconnected because it really did seem like you just got more powerful. Yeah. But I wonder if he just if maybe that point he's just loses so much of himself that it's not worth it anymore or something. I don't know got you. Yeah. Let's see. So this is referred to as initial boo when we get into episode one fifty seven and we'd start the episode with a big info dump from shins bream chi- gives a flashback of Bibi creating module, boo. And creating this version of boo who is just blowing apart some alien planet. They move onto the next planet was turned onto be turns out to be the world of the KYW's. He kills two supreme KYW's absorbed south guy, which was like, maybe the best fighter at all the bunch. And when he's going to kill the supreme KAI that we know of the grand supreme KAI shows up dice is boo into bits with this like grid laser thing. That is pretty cool. I was really into this. He just screams, and then there's little slice and dice thing comes out. Yeah. And just tiny little squares of boo them up. I love that. Yeah. But grant supreme Kyle gets absorbed. And that's what turns boo into big boo into big happy, cake Levin, boo. Yes. Because the grand supreme KAI was apparently innocent and fun loving of it also. A great fighter. Yeah. So all of those qualities went onto kid, boo or initial boo. Yeah. And then, you know, he he seems to like sweets bitty gets boo into cake and says like, oh, cakes the most delicious thing ever. And if you if you do my bidding and murder, all these mother fuckers, I will get you cake. And so I really liked that Bibi's specifically said he had an old ice cream cake in his freeze. Yes. Yeah. Aching my freeze. Yeah. This old age. It was like a d q lit over ice cream cake in his finger that this little this little guy this little wizard, a has an ice cream cake in a freezer beat has a freezer. I really liked that he had to go to the store and buy that free. Yeah. This is the right freezer for me. Let's see here. So yeah, we get an origin story. Why booth things cake is the best? Yeah. I like that is finally explained here. And this is just looking to destroy earth. At this point. He shoots a big old ball that Vida kind of deflects with a blast of his own. And then he taunts booboo starts charging up on even bigger one and shin. Teleport's at this point. They're watching from afar and says, oh the and the idea here is to save Goku Geeta, and then give them his earrings. So that they can merge again and win the fight. Goku Geeta grab survivors and start flying away to try to outrun this blast that is destroying the planet supreme KAI appears teleport's them away and the earth is destroyed. Yeah. It's it's full on like smoke fatality. Like, here's a wide shot earth, and it just explodes and this whole sequence like as they were flying away from the the blast. I thought the animation was really cool things really pink in. It just seemed really like oh God. She's yet up here. They they do a really good job with that sequence. And so the survivors along with Gokova Geeta Goku grabbed Dende day be and mister Satan? So yes, go on dead Piccolo, dead trunks and go ten dead Geeta, not too happy about all this. No. And basically says just like fucking Goku Europe fucking idiot. Your own sons, you're only fucking sons he grabbed the first or fucking Satan. This dope. You've never met in a admittedly adorable. Perfect dog. But yeah. Hughes kid and also super crucial to the dragon ball stuff even houses the dragon balls just got destroyed in the destruction of earth. You know, Mr. Satan doesn't believe they start, you know, like people aren't trying to explain Dennis. Starring to explain to Mr. Satan, what's going on. He doesn't believe it. He thinks it's still on earth. They still look elves to me also says you you gotta get your coconut chick cramps. Yeah. Yeah. Okinawa your state and thinks he's dreaming thinks he could fly. He takes off running e can't fly he jumps off a cliff in and lands. He thinks he's a lucid dream. And he's got his figured is. Like, oh, this is a dream. I can fly. There's no risk. I'm just dreaming brothers, fine Buddha, and even exist utmost confidence in his theories immediately. Yeah. Just buys it immediately. Oh, he also thinks one of the pieces of evidence that makes them think it's a dream is that nothing could possibly be real in this existence because nothing is stronger than mister Satan. So obviously, definitely absolutely. Yeah. The biggest mister Satan Mark of all turned out to be mister Satan? Yes. Let's see here then then day with like some information that you'd think that like these people would have a firm grasp on and that they would remember Denver. I can't believe I forgot all we have to do is travel the namic because they've got dragging balls. It'll be fine new namic. Yeah. But go Goku can't sense energy energy from namic, and they don't have a spaceship. And then, you know, supreme guy is just like, oh, I can teleport people places. It's not a thing. Elba's partier Goku is talking to din day and he's like well, no offense. But nobody inability suck ass instant transmitters. They're they're just kind of weak. I can't really sense it. Yeah. And elder steps in and says, you can't use the dragon balls there too chaotic than the Mexicans have no business helping other worlds they only let have dragon balls because they were such a fucking stoic people. That would you know obey the rules and also the shit, and and he's freaking out. So so go to kind of close this deal. Yep. And this is this is a good. I like, okay. So Goku offers to get him some sexy, photos low and close. A certain lady she's not as young as she once was. But she keeps it tight end. Right. And wanted to make sure I got that. Right. That is what I wrote down as well. As that. What? I heard. Yeah. Keeps your Bubis titan. Right. And then the elder cars, so bribing me with Bubis. Vaginas extremely unhappy about all this even though they haven't said any names. But he immediately says, hey, wait. I don't suppose the woman you're talking about his bowl Ma you could knifing weasel and his head grows. Fucking huge. He's does as wife like that. He's right. He's right. This is fun. This is super fucked. If you want to ties this over with nasty photos, you should take them of your own wife. And then go says that chichi is not in as good a shape as bulma. Just go Kuzin idiot. God damn, man. Meanwhile, boo reforms in space jumps to another planet blows that one up to blows up another and another. He seems to be looking for energy. He's trying to find Goku inva- Jetta to to finish this. And that takes us to other world where we see Crillon yarmulke fighting near the Washington Monument. Yes. Confused by that. And boo appears there, and that's the end of the episode. Yes. That brings us to one fifty eight which opens with the supreme court throwing the earrings to go coup in Geeta Goku turns them down this time. It's them down. But then he crushes grocer. Just give it back to them. If you don't know what. Russia's earing your earrings, man. We don't need them this this smiling. Right. That's your or something. Or something out. So yeah. So booze Trent teleported himself to the world of the dead, which apparently just a planet like any other again. This is just weird. It's just weird. And YoM says I really don't want to be chocolate again. Fucking dork piece of shit. Boost screening him do anything and like twenty five episodes. Right. We haven't seen him do anything in like one hundred episodes. Well, what was the last notable thing? You remember YoM to doing by dot counting things done to him. No, not not dying that turning into chocolate something he did an action the two did he I mean, he when he died it was in service of him getting in the way of someone. He was distracting someone long enough for like Goku to get back in right? It was kind of it was Crillon. I thought chrome was the one who like over that. I feel like they all were serving as some kind of distraction there. Okay. Before that. Dying in a whole. I mean, no, I'm saying dying in a whole was the last notable thing. He did. Oh a way back when. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Man. He sucks. He's talks. There was his underwear thing. Remember, they had to go in the water, and he didn't want to go in dinosaurs involved. Yeah. Yeah. Vaguely remember lead terrible boost screaming shakes shit apart booth. Fucks up Crillon. And you know, and booze gonna blow up the land of the he's gonna blow up other world. I guess and so go Coon Vigia to start charging to let buono where they are. And so there's screaming, and yeah, I was really into this. Because there's a point here where there's multiple cuts between like booed doing a menacing laugh Crillon and the option being useless, and then just cuts of like vagina and Goku just standing in glowing screaming. Yeah. It's a pretty good. Yeah. The concept of boo killing dead. People is real weird to me is. I mean there are a race to race. There's a there's a mentioned they're just like, oh, no if Crillon in yarmulke get killed here we want. We will bring them back because their bodies will be obliterated. I'm like how does any of this work because they're already here? And there were times beforehand when they like early early on. We're crowing to be like, oh, you go do that. I've already died one. So you've already died one. So if you died you can't ever come back. But then that's all bullshit while the new mecca in dragon balls didn't have that limitation. Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. There's I don't know. It's all fucking weird. Okay. So eventually boost senses. The energy and teleport's to the KYW's world. And then supreme KAI takes everybody and leaves except for gogo in Virginia. So it's just here's this planet. Well, we think it's just go Couva Jetta and boo turns out Mr. Satan and be are still down there after mister Satan fucking jumped off that ledge like an idiot, right and shit realizes this 'cause oh, no. We forgot mister Satan elder Kaiser's, like don't worry about it. They're bigger things going on that whatever. So Satan, crawls up to see the fight Goku drives a foot into booze face and kicks him. But okay. So boost starts just beating his chest. Yes. And King Kong. Yes. He's beating his chest. And making Tim Allen noises. As you do. And and he doesn't stop like Goku starts fighting him, but booze still just doing it. And eventually boo kind of gets rocked a little bit. Here is this when he gets knocked back, and he does this cool like flying squirrel thing like stretches his goo out to kind of keep himself from going back for. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. I think also real quick we we skipped over part where Goku mentions during all this that he held back against fat, boo. Because he thought the kids should get in on this fun. Yeah. Yeah. And I just wrote like stopped doing dumb shit. Yeah. While the universe is at stake at like test yourself fine nerve, they're always going to be idiots like this. That's yeah. If there's just one one more underscore on that of just like you fucking dopes. Don't hold back. Yeah. But the one thing I did like here. I guess to to go back briefly. I don't know that I took notes on it. But like when they crushed the earrings the second time, there's this kind of sense of just like, oh, we don't need them. We'll figure something out. We're sayings. And then there's a God. Yeah. Then Goku says that's what I'm saying. Get it saying. Oh, he said that said that I must not a caught. Yeah. It's real. It's not how does that play in Japanese. I don't know. Yeah. I wonder if it's probably not not there. There is a pretty cool part here. A genuine kind of add Lasko coup moment, we're after he kinda rocks. Boo. Boo. Throws an energy ball at Goku Goku. Just catches it. And tosses it behind and it was like blows up. Fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good. There's there's a pretty good animation on some of these blasts and smoke, clouds and stuff. And this was the part where I realized where both me and Geeta we're watching this fight with our arms. Folded just kind of like sitting there going. It's turning into. It was like looking at a mirror, man. That's what I'm doing the same. There's a part where Goku is pushing the base of the mountain apart while booze standing on it, and he does that like John Claude van Damme. Yeah. Let's thing which pretty cool. This this plan is just getting fucking ripped up. Yeah. And this is when like the music kicks in and it's just wailing guitar like lyrics kick, which is why you know, things are getting fucking serious and go faster told mess with me, and then the planet. Start shaking all these new plateaus rise and fall. And then then the lyrics kick on the music. Sky turns purple there's like lightning everywhere. Yeah. And that's kind of where we leave it. Boosts arts charging up a ball. Goku shoots at it. But the ball absorbs the blast and gets even bigger and there's a lightning storm and the world just keep shaking apart. And and yeah, that's where believe it is is go coup fighting vegeta- looking on. Waiting to see super say in three for himself. It is an extremely climactic ending that I was very much into between the music and the lightning and just the standing and screaming and mountain. Yeah, falling. It was I was way into this. Yeah. This is some like metal gear rising stuff. Yep. Yeah. This is the lyrics kick in. You're like, okay. This is this is the boss fight here. This metal gear rising moment. Yeah. It's yeah. I like this run of episodes winning some weird directions. And you know, like, I I I forgive them for not ending it at go on. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that until we know how it actually ends. But like the right. The the story. Correct. Ending of like, hey, go haunt should win to event, you know, to be like the next one. And this is his trial to make him the bad ass that Goku became by the end of original dragon ball, or or whatever, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It it's as easy as it is to look at how the cell arc ended. And how perfect that could have been. It's like well now that the finish line in sight. And I feel like we've definitely seen the bulk of the boost of at this point. Yeah. Regardless of where it goes, it is worthwhile. I think there was there is some stuff. We're just seems like things are dragging on. But for the most part, I thought there was some really good stuff in here between like, you know, the the Satan and dog stuff that we were the Parise infiltrating booze weird doghouse and all that and a lot of the boost of itself, I like Bouza character. I think the fact that it's constantly changing and changing and keeping the old ones. Somehow, it's all been fun to watch. How weird this skits? And they've opened the door for like fat boo to live on at the end of this, which is all I want. Yeah. I'll want happy baby cakes. And. Yeah. Yeah. Baby. Face fat, boo hanging out. Yup. Dog and Satan. Yeah. So that's that's how I hope this ends. But you know. We'll see how it goes. Because they've they've still got I, you know, I. They mentioned the fusion dance. And so I'm guessing that at some point Goku vagina do fuse again. Well, I feel like haven't we heard that there was because I know. Yeah. It's good. Go Geeta is the dance version. But I wonder I mean that maybe that's not from Z. Maybe that's something that doesn't show up until the movie you're like, I I don't know if that does surface here or not. So it's seeing the game. No. No, okay. I don't think Dido is. No, right. Oh is I think now on I fucked, dude? I don't remember. Yeah. I feel good about you know, I've kinda held off on a really diving into the game much because it's like, well, you know, characters or references might spoil stuff at this point. It's like where we're so far in. I don't think any that's a real risk. I do kind of want to start playing the game for me. It turns out the riskiest thing has been finding thumbnails for these episodes because like googling specific things about a fight has sometimes resulted in like. Like it. Actually, I think it only happened once, but it was like I saw a boo with the vest on. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah. It's always a risk when you're watching. Yeah thing, but like I had a couple of things spoiled for me. But it none of it really affected by enjoyment of it. Yeah. I mostly don't. I I don't know what happens from your honestly like, I don't either. I have these like pieces in mind and things we haven't seen yet. Like that. I think could be here like that. Go Geeta stuff. But I just don't know. So. Yep. Same here. All right. Well, that's going to do it for this time. We will check in with. I think next week will be our final five episode run. Because there I think are what in their nine left. Right. Let's see. So we've finished one days. So this'll be one fifty nine one sixty one sixty one and one sixty two sixty three and then we'll have a final one with four. Yeah. So yeah, the next one will be the penultimate episode, finale episodes left. How would end I don't actually know. All get even closer to that conclusion next week, Dan. Thanks sounds good. See then. You then.
Star Trek: Voyager | Phage
"The final frontier. This is about saving the few humanitarian. This huge victory graduate give to this course of action is not a motion to another episode of. Beam me up a star trek. Podcast i am brent allen and i've seen every episode of star trek forty seven times i'm mad sonnenburg and this is my first time through this series and this is the show where we are on a mission to introduce people to the star trek universe by watching only the most important episodes not the eight hundred plus hours of content. That exists today. we're it down. The most important episodes that deal with the history and the timeless message. That is star trek. But you know what if you only have forty seven minutes left to live than i have one thing for you to do head over to be me upon dot com and leila's review. I know you can't review right there on the site actually might be able to if we have turned on. We probably should. We'll check it. We'll look into that but go review. Can we review on itunes apple. Podcast sir our site. Whatever you feel like we want to hear from you. Matt you know what i would do if i only had forty seven minutes left to live. What's that i would look look. Isn't there some nineteenth century invention going to do the exact same thing. Let me live longer than forty seven minutes. We'll get into that. Today's episode is the fourth episode of star trek voyager entitled phase. Or as. i like to call it. I don't think me like signed the back of his driver's license case you guys don't remember. It didn't watch this when i in this episode knee leaks has his lungs stolen by an alien race called the vedeno. There're a bunch of ravaged by vicious disease called the phase and this is how they stay alive january and the crew must work to keep helix alive and get his lungs back. Matt before we get into the recap of this episode curious. I'll give you a chance. Give us your overall thoughts who've watched phase for the very first time. What are your overall thoughts on this episode. It's not that bad. I think it was well paced and that helped what a kind of have been like. Maybe is partly because we've been doing a lot of double episodes and movies and such. But i was kinda surprised how quickly it was over. Okay so i mean that uses tells me you know. It kept my attention. For whatever reason there weren't there wasn't a lull in In the episode anywhere where. I got bored and was like is this over yet. Checking the time every five minutes. He's going to be done. So i mean that that's always a good thing like overall. It's not necessarily my favorite episode. Sure i. i'm curious to see how this fits in. Because like i didn't feel there was a lot of important things in here in less comes back or the that other race we met you. I forget the name of already that you just mentioned like if we meet them again. 'cause janeway does kinda threaten them pretty hardly But i mean unless it's that's one of those things we've talked about like. You could've told me like last time we met them. They stole their lungs and jane waves. That threatened to kill him. Okay thirty seconds. Here we go. Yeah yeah. I mean matt to to that point. Keep in mind for the last three series. We've all been based in the alpha quadrant deep. Space nine is just now really beginning those excursions into the gamma quadrant. We've starting to meet the people over there within the alpha and the beta quadrant. Actually the they they took place in both of those two. Because it's kind of on the border but still it's they're sure there's a lot of one off alien races that we meet from week to week to week but there is also still the ones who continue to come back like the major players. Were just learning what that is in the delta quadrant. Exactly what because we have the case on and now we the dean's like are we. Are we going to see these guys again. Are they a major player in the in the quadrant or are they just weeks week. We'll find out there we're gonna get into a there is a very specific reason why this episode is unless i gotta tell you though. It almost wasn't when i was doing my original Go through of this of the series. There was only two episodes from season. One that i had and this was not one of them And when i did the like the preview of like what are we gonna watching season one with caroline which you have not listened to that episode nor should you. 'cause you're not allowed to listen to those episodes. She was really the one who convinced me and said hey you you should do this. And she gave me some reasons why i was. If i'm on the fence about something and the other person's really stumping for it. I'm probably going to go with it. Like i just needed that push. I'm really glad we did. Because this episode to me presents a very star trek message and i think voyager more so than even deep space nine really gets back to that moral quandary of what do we do from episode to episode week to week whereas deep stein sort of taking the long game in approach at it versus. This one is is very you know. What is this moral situation that were put into. This is why star trek is different than say star wars right because has those conversations and this one very very much gets to. What would you do if you're in the situation type of type of question. And i find that to be an incredibly star trek type message right there. There was definitely at least one moment. Yanez episode. where what do you do what what do you do. Michael piller your guy. Michael piller says that. He was particularly intrigued. By the idea of a civilized alien culture who was forced to do uncivilized alien uncivilized things for survival. Yeah you know. And that's face to face with you. Now have janeway her crew. Who are going to be fighting for. Survival what are they gonna do in the face of that. Are they going to stay true to the principles that they say they are or are they going to go this. This other routes and i think davidian shows a little bit of the route of the other way of what happens when you when you give into that. But i mean it's a horrible awful position the put in. Yeah because by all accounts it's it's there. There are great culture architecture literature and music and all of these things and they're rabbi. You was the sculptor. Yeah exactly and they're being ravaged by this disease that forces them to steal organs and they did they don't always have to steal organs timpson. Get off the dead people and repurpose them. But they're still stealing them as just people don't care so much larry right right now. I will say before we get into a whole lot. There are some things. I want to go through about this episode. The original pitch of this episode was one of those open submission type things that star trek was famous for doing and that story. It actually had tom perez getting his heart blown out of his body and the doctor had to use the hologram to replace his heart now at the same time. The submission came in the writing team was beginning to work on. Developing a new alien bad guy that harvested organs. That's what they knew it was. It was an alien they harvest organs. That's what makes them really really bad. And it took them really long time a lot of conversation okay. Well why are they harvesting organs. Why are they getting out. And do this are they are they. Are they specialists. Like they're presented to us here or there. You know high and equipment and stuff or are they. Are they just like routing amount of people or you know. Why are they doing this and it took them a long time to come to the idea that this is actually a disease that has that has caused this to happen. Brannon braga says that the idea of the phase was what would europeans be like. If we never got rid of the plague those kind of their their driving force. I like how how would you be. They eventually went in and they. They saw this original pitch with tom. Paris getting blown out and went. Hey there's kind of a match here. Let's them together. And instead of the heart they turned it into lungs because they thought that heart was hurts. Real trophy people get their heart blown out like it's kind of corny. Y'all you've got your heart blown out lungs that that's a different organic and getting the heart ripped. I feel it'd be harder to survive. Sure right even just in the short term like okay. Your heart's gone bludgeon. Start your dead. Whereas you can't breathe your body will go into. Shock can start shutting down but you have a little bit of time so i. I did like that right a lot better. Yeah so did that. And then they changed it from paris to kneel. Ix would you care to guess why i found i didn't i had. I found this very interesting. Would you care to guess why my i guess would honestly be because when they tried to transplant stuff like they could easily find donor for him whereas neal was a one off. Yeah well more problems. The whole the whole reason was because of casts. Sure because of because neal was the only per nielsen casts. Were the only two people who were a had a built in relationship on the ship upright and and the idea of having that emotional connection of. You're seeing what it's doing to. Somebody's loved one. Not just a crew member not just to teammate. Not just not just a subordinate for janeway. You actually have somebody who has a personal relationship and you're seeing how it's affecting them you know obviously at the end where we get to our cash. Cash shares along with kneeling. Switch my questions. what's gonna happen that long about eight years out there. I didn't even think about that. I don't know the long gone like anyway. Here's to solve the problem anyway. So that's that's kind of the origin of the story and like i said they. They eventually muslim together and and made a few changes in here. We go back. I have to people wanna talk about real quick before we get into the chunk of the episode for our character actor spotlight. The first one is doris. He's like he's the first one of the two guys He he's one of the the he's played by a guy named kali frederickson. Any clue. matt. Nope i would not expect you to have a clue as to who this guy is not for my fellow. Trekkers out there. This is the same guy. Who plays the volkan captain when the vulcans i made first contact with earth you guys out there know what i'm talking about matt. You haven't seen this yet sure. We will watch this eventually when it comes around. And he is that guy but for those we out there to go. Oh it's okay. Just make that connection. He was the guy. Playing the vulcan captain when the vulcans. Because you do know that from earth's history it was the vulcans who made first contact with earth. Yeah heard yet somewhere. Yeah he he he plays the captain and we'll eventually get to see that particular scene at some point. I won't tell you when or where it will be coming though. So that's darith that's areas and bring them up so you can guy. I've got a little bit more to talk about. This is neil eccentric. Act was sewed matt. So let's talk about our main cast member. Neil ix nay looks is played by a guy named ethan phillips. I have to tell you. Matt neal ix much to my sadness among the fandom often i compare him to sort of the jar jar beings of the star trek franchise a lot of people sort of treat them like that. A lot of people find the looks to be very very annoying. I think it's entirely unwarranted. And i'm going to throw this out there. You agree. I throw this out there. Neil happens to be my personal favourite of the characters here on voyager i. I don't know that. I've picked out a favorite yet but yeah i. I don't find helix. That annoying yet media right. I mean he's different but and he'd so far he's been resources will and quite useful. Actually so yeah. I don't know. I like new a whole lot. I gotta tell ya. If i ever got to be in star trek personally i would want to be a person who plays a citizen on board a starship kind of like. I don't think. I like if you look at me. And you think like starfleet uniform. I wouldn't fit the starfleet mold. Okay sir of for physical reasons. But i think also personality wise like acting wise. Like that's less interesting to me. Fitting into the star trek mold and much more to be. Let me be an alien. Be an alien new as a citizen but onboard the ship and very integral to the ship and the way the have have a little bit more personality. I exactly clip to. Yeah once you're in starfleet like a sense personality a little a little bit a little bit and there and the reason they do that on a production levels because they want the aliens to be the ones that are colorful and have the personality and reflect the most definitely. I mean neil x. quirk all those sorts folks. Now speaking of clark played by erm sherman. You'll remember him when we did our kirk spotlight on him. Several episodes ago. Ethan phillips and arman sherman best friends day. Go together like two peas in a pod. I have to tell you that. They are frequently together on the convention circuit. I highly recommend anybody out there. Not you you're not allowed to yet. But i highly recommend anybody out there. Going and looking up the ethan phillips and arman sherman interviews and stuff from the from the past star trek conventions because those two are hilarious together in. Ethan phillips is a funny funny funny funny funny dude. Love loving smith and phillips but matt as far as explorers. Neil ix man. I gotta tell you deal is often the comic relief on the show. He very much has but he also brings a very deep and complex character. And i'm not sure we're going to explore this as the seasons. Go on but there's some real pay those stimulus and he has some hard choices and he has a lot of growth that he goes through as a character over the course of the show. So i love the me now ethan. Let's talk about him. We're not talking. Money looks even as a native of long island out to our friend. Joe from it from solo. He is an ivy league graduate from their fine arts department at cornell cornell university which gives me vibes of the office go cornell prior to star trek even started to show that has had a lot of trek alumni connections to called benson matt. Do you remember us talking about benson. Before i remember you bringing it up. Yeah i remember saying. I have no idea what it is right. We last talked about it. With rene abrasion wa who plays oto over on deep space nine. They co starred in that show together now after bentsen. He made us more small ray into movies. Doing picking up some stuff with whoopi goldberg. Plays guinan a few other trek. Alum and he goes through basically doing a lot of television and movies and stuff and he's rubbing shoulders with like i swear at some point he touches base with every single trek alumni. Who's ever living out there like. It's it's amazing. The crossover that ethan phillips gets in his body of work that is outside of track one film of note that i do want to point out as he was in a film called wagons east. Which matt do you remember john. Candy wherever you ever fan of john candy. I'm familiar with. That was john. Candy's final role before he died before he passed away. Okay however that movie. But it sure also in that movie with ethan phillips and john candy was a guy named robert cardo who is our doctor here on voyager so ethan and and robert words were together in that particular movie funny note. Originally bob accardo auditioned for the role. Of neil ix in star trek voyager before being cast as the doctor now prior to voyager. He did play a for randy in the next generation episode called. Manasi twat nope i'm sorry. Menasheh troy there you go. I think that was an extra viewing. It was an extra viewing it was a lock. Sauna troy episode that we skipped. He played for frankie and that one very very funny. In addition to time on voyager and t and g also going to pop up in a t. and g. movie and he's gonna play a different rank and enterprise when that one comes around so he does a lot with trek throughout his time on track though while he's doing voyager he's also frequently taking other side jobs and other movies and shows like as his schedule would permit so it's a good for him but he is just a super hardworking actor throughout the eighties nineties. The odds and through the teens like even up through today he he's just continuing to be and it's haunted tons of stuff you go check out his. Md db db page. I'm sure you'll recognize tons of things there. I can also be heard doing some voice over work matt. i don't know if this relates to you and the rugrats and the wild thornberrys absolutely yeah. Ethan phillips is in both at nearing the end of my a original cartoon career rubber answer. Sure yeah so he. He can be found in both of those. I've just pulled those two. Because they are of note to me. He's also a regular on the convention circuit. As i mentioned they're almost always whenever there's a voyager cast reunion ethan phillips is gonna pop up. He's very good friends with sherman. And like i said. I highly recommend their youtube stuff. That is our helix is name as ethan phillips noam. Love them because we love helix. Beam me up matt with that. Said you already talked about asia it. Let's do it all right prologue. Voyager is found a plan to toy has died lithium on it. If they can mine it can help their power issues which is good. Because everyone's getting sick of the emergency rations. It's such a problem. That neil ix has turned jane ways private captains mess hall into a ship's galley for everybody. Well we're going to deal with that one later. Knee looks invites himself to the team's away mission to survey the planet towards caves. But those aren't just caves. There's actually an underground complex. That just looks like a cave. And there's somebody in there done done done. That is a sound effect after work on now one. This is one of those things. Though at that i always wonder how long is actually gonna take the characters in the show figure out that it's not what you think is like you've mentioned it six times already. I've caught on after the first three times like there should be something here but there's not a should be okay so do something about it. There's something behind the wall. But i'm just going to sit here and stare at it but like that's the one that gets me through the throughout this whole thing. They're all like oh yeah. There's something wrong with this wall. But we're just going to look at it with the tri quarter says. Even try quarter doesn't seem to be reliable right now. We're just gonna stare at this wall instead of like trying to put your hand through it or something like you've seen weird things before come on like unless you're gonna tell me okay. I'm not touching it. Because i'm afraid of might get shocked or something. Maybe maybe throw rock at it then and see if it goes through the wall or something if you don't want to touch yourself but that that was my big gripe about this here but but still like obviously there was something going on here in the. Obviously there's something wrong. i. I know you haven't played d. but i will give you i. E n d lesson. Okay never split the party okay. And so as soon as yes. They went down in the caves. There are three people. they wouldn't in three different directions. You're asking for trouble asking for matt do me a favor. Please keep that in mind for next week. I wanna talk about that for next week as well. Okay okay all right okay anyway. Yeah don't split apart. I mean that's how good horror story starts right. Yeah you you check around front. We'll check around back the adequate check blazer upstairs. We'll yeah yeah no no no. No no. don't do this. Don't do that stuff's going to happen. Yeah like like it's not even like they split off into pairs or anything like that people in three separate directions rate like come on guys right just asking for it at that point right. Yep yep so this this did not get off to a good start but yeah i mean little things like you mentioned having fun with neil in in his makeshift galley. Okay i want to talk about that. I glad you brought that up. Because i'm dying. Like janeway goes to find her private captains which by the way we've never seen as a captain having private. I was gonna say a thing but now it is not even john luc picard. Had his own private captains dining mess hall at least not that we knew because we saw him taking meals in his quarters more often than anything else. Yeah and because it's smaller ship that It almost makes me feel like the way she described it. It's like if you would have gone and looked at the the catalog. It would have told you like this what this room is used for right and it almost feel like well. It used to be someone else's quarters but they died in the accident and so i- claimed it as my private dining should've checked but right. Yeah yeah so. I would say and and and and matt matt neal is going to be the ship's cook apparently with his olo routes do they haven't kinda established that early on the whole hydroponics thing and okay. Okay wong what are you gonna do with all that food growing. You gotta cook it. Because everybody's and that. Actually i think goes back to the other issue just that we want to make sure we bring up. They are still having power issues on the ship. As a result of being brought over from the array everybody's on emergency rations replicator or kinda kind of iffy for how often you're allowed to use them. And that is part of life on board voyager so until they find another solution until they find another solution what that says with him on this planet not on this planet act one the reading on the tri quarter says. There's dilute theam here but there are finding anything. Ne- looks is having problems following orders in as intrigued by what he sees. That is until he's attacked by whomever is down there. Sokoto in harry can't make it to him but he's in severe medical distress. His lungs have been removed and he only has forty seven minutes. Forty-seven to find his original. Lungs or kneel is toast. That is until the doctor outfits. Neil holographic loans. We'll keep them alive but he can't move at all nor will he be able to leave sick bay. Well that seems pretty grim. Meanwhile janeway kim and some yellow shirts or heading down to find who took his lungs and they find well the underground complex so that was that was another thing that i think actually happened in the first thing before the went down. But i'm going along with you and like he starts explaining. Yea i've been. I've been training for this all. I've been preparing for this all week. Right he read the manual dude. Starfleet officers have been preparing for this for the past. I don't know what ten twenty years you and you're just gonna be prepared in a week. Okay sure yeah. So that i mean. That's another big red flag there. It's like okay. Something's probably going to happen to him. Because they had to write some excuse for him to go along on his mission But yes okay. So his long removed. Which i that was kind of a shock. I'm like i saw got zapped with fr- from what i could tell. Initially i didn't even. I wasn't even sure that the alien was holding something. Like i almost thought the zap was coming from his hand and i thought it was going to be another lake superpower type of thing going on sure. Obviously we learned later. Was there super powered. Try quarter thing but Yeah it's stealing the wong's asset that's an interesting concept to go after so yeah but then once again as i mentioned they get down there and it's like this is where it all happened. He said there was something behind this wall. And they all just sit there and stare at it and then she saw and you know they needed they needed. They needed jordy and his visor. Yes well i think it actually gets worse. The writing here gets worse in my opinion. And i i hate to say this is michael. Piller was involved with the seat but janeway finally does touch the wall and it's like it feels warmer and then i did. I'm still learning to comes over and it's like you're right. This area is two degrees warmer seriously celsius celsius to hell a two degree difference by touching it. I don't care if it celsius. Not so sensitive vulcan. Hands matt janeway. That's touched. I said it was warmer. And he scanned it and said oh yeah you're right and while you're gonna make warmer give me something more. Yeah because at that point i had already made a note how you just try touching the wall to see if something happens because i was mad a need for not doing that and so everybody else came down like touched the wall ready to do something and then she does and then you give me. It's warmer right okay. And then i still struggle to understand exactly what phases are. Phasers work because like phasers can stunned people. Phasers can kill people. Phasers can cut holes in rocks. And apparently they can disrupt highly sophisticated force fields. Doug exactly zapped by fazer and like if they would just tokyo's a force field would have been fine with right. it's like oh they had a force field there. Okay he disrupted. They had highly sophisticated force field. Simple phaser blasts. Okay so i don't. I don't know that maybe i just felt like i needed something to talk about. I was not too thrilled with the scene as fair. that's fair. this is one of those scenes. Where i gotta tell you. Every time i see it i just gloss over it because i know this has nothing to do with the core of the show like this. Move forward you know. We're we're just trying to find something so we can figure out who's there like that's it and that's all it is. I write it off so i never even pay attention to. I never even paid since you on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know it's important i. Yeah so yeah. I analyze these things and over analyze these things and this is what you get but yes holographic lungs idea isn't it seems like and i am loading dr more right now. It's thing was it paris. That's like holograms are just projections of you. Know there's no real matter involved. Tell me there's no real matter. And then he has them slapping back and he goes through. I gotta tell you matt the doctor. The doctors are. I've said it before. I'll say it again. The doctor the voyager doctor is in my opinion one of the top three most interesting characters and all star trek. Yeah absolutely and i love the doctor. I really do. Yeah yeah so like they have some serious restrictions on these holographic lugs. But i don't believe it. I mean at all like i said it's like air's going to leak out like it seems like okay well to at least have enough time to adjust it and you can fix it again and say okay now really. Don't move but i mean th they. They wanted to basically incapacitated but make sure as serious. As could i get it. But it's it's a weird thing to think about like with that high of technology. Like i would think you'd almost be enough for them to say okay. You have to stay in this room. Because that's where the hologram holographic projectors are right. So you have to stay here kind of like. The doctor stuck into that room okay. Cool and you would think just like the projectors could adjust relative to your position where the lungs are whatever. Here's the difference with that when the doctor moves. He is part of the computer program. The computer knows where he's about to move in a move everything with him like as he's carrying as he's carrying physical objects and stuff around the room can shift that that around whereas neil is not part of the computer program at all so the computer has them. They had a full body scan of them. That's how they got the lungs in the first place true and so that information can be input into the computer already was input into the computer. And it's like okay. Now track this shape and keep these lungs next to this part of the shape i would also contend. They absolutely could do that. If that's what the plot called for you. But i mean that's i'm surprised. They made that restrictive that neil. You're gonna have to lay in this bed. I think that's honestly that that goes back to the trying to make sure that neil is much more of a predicament than he really should be given the technology of the day because as i referenced earlier matt the biggest problem i have with they give them forty seven minutes. And from the sixties there were were blood gas oxygenated or whatever Teen sixty in the nineteen sixties. Thank you that would have worked like they kept you for like a month and in the nineteenth century the eighteen hundreds they had artificial lungs and hearts that would keep people alive for hours upon hours. That can mean every time they put him in one of those beds to do like surgery. Or whatever like i. I always feel those look like iron monks. Sure right metal case and everything. That's what i think of every time like. They put that that like semicircle over when their patients. Yeah i i literally just google and you're right that's one hundred percent what it looks like. And it wouldn't surprise me if they designed it that way if they used the look of an iron lung too because they had to design the bio bed to do that all of a sudden. So yeah i mean. It had him locked down absolutely lockdown now and he wasn't in this particular scene but later i don't think i talk about later. But he centers. Like i have an issue on my nose and i think that that's that's the secondary reason for locking him down is they can insert more comic relief. Shirt scher bike a-. He can complain about you. Know you need to get a better ceiling paints always want for up there. I don't know if your dentist ever had this but minorities. Did you know those magic eye puzzles like if you stare at at a at a certain way like it just looks like a mess. But you still can't do man. Oh man into those. My dentist had one of those above. He had one above every chair that he worked in. And i just. I'd spend the whole point effective. I'd spend the whole time just sitting there trying to whatever while he's working on my. I think my dentist had things on the ceiling. It's just not a whole not those puzzles. Now yeah so. I mean and i think this is my get into some of the scenes a little bit but like i like that. S- they came up with this stopgap measure. And you hope it's just you know just a band aid and they can figure out something else later on but like i was surprised how quickly he's he's like you should just let me go. I don't want to be stuck here in this bed and it's like okay. Well either. You're dead and forty seven minutes. Are we do this until we can find. Another solution like think about Right at the end of this than the folks back on the ship. Let janeway no. Hey ship just left. The planet and her instant reaction is a. We need to go after that ship right and obviously didn't spend too much time here because they wanted to move the platform and maybe this is more important in the long run than i even realize But my first reaction to that was. I wouldn't worry about a singular shit believing the planet. How do you know the ones are on the planet right like you just saw someone running away down on the planet and you're telling me the guy in the ship and left with exactly what you're looking for like i would think it'd be more likely that the stuff you're looking for because like they saw those other body parts jars and stuff and i'm like okay so the lungs are probably down here as well keep looking or they haven't made it to jar yet. Keep looking at least where you send like. Hey cindy shuttled a follow them or something like a shuttle to follow him or or do you follow and come back and get us. We're gonna hang. I always tarum part for this that their sensors are so good. They can scan for all sorts of life forms or figure out exactly where something is on a ship. Cont- you do a scan and see if longs yeah you know. Maybe i don't turkey. Hey here's what you here's what you know. They have a scan of the of the accion lungs. They know exactly what they're looking for right. Like that would better noticing if you just gave me that line and said hey we just did a quick scan of that ship that left the planet and the lungs are on there. Let's get you back on the ship and go like i would fight with that at that point. I think because. I've got i've gotten more used to them using their scanning. Senators to to find stuff like that whereas it was just jay's reaction oh yeah we need to go you are ok. Sure i was honestly surprised. They left the planet that quickly. Like i thought the entire episode would have taken place on this planet but we'll continue and talks more about other things well to the away team finds a lab. They find lots of strange stuff. And then they find the people who drop one of those instruments and they send us off on a chase across the galaxy and hey those holographic lungs are working pretty. Good it's the whole act. That would explain why. I missed one of the acts i always do. I'm like i only have four acts what happened but yeah if it was that. Quick short It was it was very short act. Yeah yeah they. They dropped the thing which they don't analyze yet right. That's coming off the okay cool. They got one the random weapon things and working cool. Go for that plot. Moving forward for sure three. The alien ship is matching. Voyager for speed. Well isn't that special and sick bay. They're breaking the news. The helix helix or kneel ix he takes it about as well as anyone be expected and then he gets a bit jealous about tom hitting on or at least that's how neil ix interprets it but cast professes her undying love before being shooed out of the bay back on the bridge. They've analyzed the weapon. It's pretty sophisticated and designed specifically to locate and extract organs but y. Well the good news is we're gonna get to ask them ourselves the alien ship slows down and interest and asteroid. They're going to get to talk. Janeway orders paris to enter the crater. That's no moon. It's a death asteroid. So yeah it's not what i expected. I mean okay first of all if you want. I don't if you want to spend too much time. Talking about new alex's jealousy and kentucky down. But i think they've done a pretty good job. Even in this episode four already in the four episodes of establishing their relationship and now each of them feels about it. And i mean maybe they established that neil is a little bit insecure about it Whereas kesselman definitely where she that. So yeah i. I wasn't like none of that surprised me. I guess how that played out the instrument they recovered basically an all in one. Try quarter phaser organ. Harvester think basically just tells us These aliens are more advanced than us and they have a specific purpose in mind but surprise surprise but then they get to this. Death asteroid manmade houses. their base. like. I think this is a fantastic way to hide your base. Assuming that's what's in here. I don't know if it actually is but it's it's at least a manmade structure from what i've been told and they do have some sort of passageways in here and they have basically in ambush room where they lead people into and start sucking their power. So the more. I think about this the more it makes me think like okay. Maybe these are pretty powerful. Maybe we will see them again. Maybe we'll either see more of these asteroids or revisit this asteroid or something but it feels like we didn't get enough time with this asteroid but maybe reading things too much who knows but once again i was. I was sitting there thinking because they still didn't answer my question. Why did they go after the ship. Why are they so sure that the lions are on the ship but no we're going to follow them into this death trap. I believe in the legal world. That's what they call circumstantial evidence right. Because here's the thing. What if they went after this group and who actually had the longs were like back on the planet and now they're getting away right uh-huh yeah yeah. Well moving onto acts four. Hey did you know that neal is an extrovert. And he's being left alone in a moment of crisis that's going to bode well and you know what the doctor doesn't really seem to care you. Winds up talking talking himself into a panic attack forcing the doctor to sedate him. And while voyagers trying to find out which ship is in the hall of mirrors the ama is filling a bit overwhelmed by all of it because takes a moment to remind him that he's going to have to grow past his programming. He's just going to have to learn down on the asteroid. There's something at five hundred and forty seven meters five hundred and forty seven anyway bottom line. They find the aliens and they just snatch them right out of their ship and when they get a good look at the aliens they discover that these guys are horribly deformed came one jump ahead to the end of this but few things talk about. I once again. Neil struggling with his situation okay fine. They're going to write that. Whatever it's it's almost to be expected yes. Like how else do you write that The doctor on the other hand is more interesting. Because i still have it for me. Planted in my head that he's hologram and he reminds us time time again. It's like i think he kind of made a joke about like me. Looks said. don't leave me alone and he's like you are alone. I'm not really here something like that. It's like yeah he's a. He's narrowly here. He's a hologram. He's not person okay but then he goes. Mike has this mental breakdown due to your hologram. With what are you doing. And like i said earlier ice. I don't necessarily have favorite characters yet. But i think catches moving up on list really at least for today. Please could easily change because i'm not staking my claim anywhere yet. But she is a smooth talker. And i really appreciate that about her. And maybe it's one of those. I feel like maybe i see a little bit of myself in her when you get her in a one on one situation with someone she can not only handle herself but handle the other person in this situation not like an evil maniacal way make. I'm going to manipulate you. Which is i'm going to talk some sense into you like she. Did it a little bit with neil earlier now with the doctor just kind of logical pragmatic and like she's not even supposed to be the extreme logical one on the ship right. She's not welcome but the way she handled the doctor here. Like i feel like obviously haven't had that conversation with anyone exactly before. But i feel i've had similar conversations with people before and i appreciate that and it's i i think she can have an interesting future especially if it's just her talking and like part of me wondered during this which would make it even stranger. Because he's a hologram if she does have some sort of almost like mind control powers to like call down or whatever. He's going to be okay. Don't you worry but yeah to do hologram again like that would be weird. So i'm not i'm still not one hundred percent sure where i am with cast but like said today. She's moving up list as for the hall. Amir's yeah it's a weird thing to put in an episode. I feel like to see who. Whose idea was this to. We're gonna fly into an asteroid and there's going to be a house of mirrors inside okay weird but sure. I guess it's a way to slow down your opponents and confuse them for a while right but as soon as they said if we fire our phaser at one of the mirrors. It's going to be completely unpredictable where it will go. I'm sitting here thinking no. It will be completely predictable. It's math it's geometry. Are you telling me i mean. Even if people on the ship can't do it that your ship can't calculate the angle at which it's going to hit the mir and where it's going to bounce next. You can't do a quick scan of of this area just to see. I mean i guess as part of the thing with the electric gear or whatever and they couldn't tell which ones are mersenne which was a real ship and stuff and may maybe that play a part in it but in my mind is just like no. It's you should be able to tell exactly where it's going to bounce right. And that's where i i had that disconnect again. Okay you're just writing this for plot reasons but it doesn't seem logical to me right but then the end of this this act. They just completely hijack kidnap the to life forms on the ship and this is something i think i've asked you about before a little bit Like why it doesn't happen more often than either. You just be onto somebody else's ship or in this case it rained the reverse. Oh there's only two folks on that ship. Yeah we'll we'll just beaming over here my first reaction that is the most unfettered ration- like thing. You could have done okay. They they just kidnapped these guys and said hey. We won't talk to you and we're not going to allow you to fly away. We're not going to allow you to put your shields. We're not going to allow you to fight us or anything like that like no. We're just going to kidnap you. Okay ed that makes me nervous for where they're gonna go Further into the series like once again episode four already. We're doing things that i feel are very. I'm federation like now the rest of the conversation. They're going to have an act five that were into like super star trek mode right okay. Those are the conversations that you're looking forward to having. I think but the fact that they just said. Oh they're about to get away. We should just kidnap them and they didn't second guess it. It's just like there's two lifeforms on board and jason's like beam over here okay. I didn't think that's how you handle things. But i was also a little surprised that they're only to life forms running the entire ship. But yeah i mean. I don't know how many people minimum do you think it takes to run voyager. Well i think we talked about that. Once where like data could run the entire enterprise by himself. I mean he he helps that use android but still a lot of systems could be automated put into some sort of automated mode and so maybe they have limited bills at that point but you could probably run the entire ship. But yeah i mean when they're saying like the ship is comparable to voyager like it's matching it for speed and we already established a little bit that they are higher here superior race Because their technology was the like phaser try quarter technology was superior to. There's like okay so there there's something to be said for that but still i. It was a little bit odd but once again they didn't want to have to say. Oh there's a dozen people port. Oh let's be them all over That wasn't going to be logical. Well let's see what happens. Act five davidians are suffering from something called the fe jr a sort of space leprosy and that's left with no choice but to survive by harvesting organs from other people they were once great civilization. They are educators explorers artists but now janeway is faced with the choice. She's going to let them go. But with a stern warning that any actions in the future will be met with the most deadliest force as a sort of thank you. They asked to see. They have a far superior medical technology and they can have someone. Donate a lung and transplant it into neil altering it to fit neil ix perfectly well cast steps up to the plate good news. It's all a success. And in the day numa of the road is going to start training as the doctor's new medical assistant. Neil ix is going to be fine and the doctor feels a little more respected the end. I think we lost our act too because of everything that we had happened here. Yeah i can see that so face yes by the time we guy here. I completely forgotten about the episode title and that had been mentioned. I think that's kind of odd actually to not mention the episode title until act five. I don't know what the percentage of his. But i mean for for something that we had zero knowledge of. I think it gets mentioned by name. Maybe two or three times and that seems odd to me as well like i guess overall is looking back at it. It was kind of the premise for the entire episode. We just didn't know until variant sure so get it but as soon as they said it. It's like oh yeah. That was the name of this episode. forgot about that forgot that we're looking for so that was kind of weird to me but it is whereas i big conversation janeway deciding whether or not to let them go like that is a big vision and kind of based on how other things have been going in this episode. That hadn't necessarily gone as i would have expected. I was a little bit surprised at how this will deter. No okay but once again. And i'm just realizing this now but janeway makes a ladder decisions by herself and with her gut feels like there's a little bit of thinking and actually she kinda got called out on that earlier right to called out on that. I forget what they were doing at the time. But he's like yeah. We consider other options. Or will you know we look into this further. Something like no. I have considered other options. And we're doing it this way. Yeah she she she's a little headstrong sure and jumps in there and like okay. Okay captain i guess no one's really gonna fight on it too much but The threat that she weaves though yes. That least is the least janeway thing i've seen yet. Is it the least janeway thing matt or is it. The least picard thing. Janeway i think that like i i. I think i can actually see card kind of doing this. Giving them a stern talking to and say. Hey don't cross again. It would come off a little bit differently regime. We did it. Like i could see him doing it more. And i definitely see cisco doing it. And you don't even you don't even know the cisco that's coming and but no like no problem seeing him to me but like i said i i think i might still be getting to know janeway. Yes this is episode. Four episode of the three of them. Yeah so still getting to learn some things but just the impression that have gotten so far if feels not what i would expect from. So maybe i'm just learning things about her e yes and not just you but i think the writers are learning stuff about her kate. Mulgrew is learning stuff about her and jane ways being developed this. That's one of the things that they talk about. And actually this whole scene with janeway where she has to make. This choice was the they talk about. This was the first real like hard acting job. That kate mulgrew had playing janeway. But it got to kate so viscerally like as she's going through and she's hearing the plight of the deans and her like a human being. Her heart is going out to these people. But there's also the protective mama bear over her crew in this case lakes this. She's not going to let anything happen but she understands. Like there's a plight here i can. I take this away from u. n. Like the tears in the emotion that she's going through apparently was very real. It wasn't just an acting job. It was it was very truly like really felt and they. They had a hard time like not having. Kate breakdown like she was having to power through because she was she was starting to break down. And i think that came through to because i i there are few times. Where like her voice almost like cracks. A like you can hear her snuggling to get this out so you think that. That's probably the best acting is when it's not acting anymore. Well yeah she put herself in this situation exactly so matt. Let's get to the star trek message wide. This is the why this episode is is in. The pantheon is that this is where star trek is at. Its best of asking these questions. This is why an episode like half a life if you remember that from tng amp was included. This why this episode is really included. Is what do you. What would you do in that situation. Matt let me ask you. I'll put it to you your first of all. What would you do if you're in the situation of the vins. You're a great people but this is how you survive. If you don't do this you get wiped out yeah i. I don't think i could do what we have to do. And i think i would have i. I like to think. I would have done the same thing. Janeway did i probably wouldn't have threatened them. Because i'm an introvert would have come to the same conclusion that yeah i can't kill you. Essentially even if there was another way like they wouldn't die right away or something if i steal lungs. Whatever but like i. It's like it's unfortunate. Yeah i really don't like what you did but if what you're seeing is true i can't reverse it right now. Well just get out of here. Yeah i'd have to let it go. But then when they said hey. We have superior medical technology. Let me check this guy out. I actually had thought at that point. Are they going to join the crew at least one of them because this whole episode subplot beer see lake. The doctor has convened complaining once again. Hey i'm the only one. Hey i'm i'm just a medical supplement. Hey i'm not really a full dr And then they're like. Hey we have superior medical technology i mean. Yeah they kind of just basically killed when you're people but also just save one year people but hey can you. Can you invite one of them on the ship like would they stay Could you trust them. But that that would have brought another interesting dynamic to the show. So i did have that thought. Initially obviously they went to different way with their new medical officer. 'cause they did address that in this episode right but yeah before they got there my that would be a unique addition while it turns out they were not in addition you know but i think there's other question are these guys bad guys are these guys villains. Depends of the equation here on right. I think that's what makes the best villain right the villain who's not really a villain. I i mean. That's one of those things like i look at them and say yes. They should not be doing what they are doing right. It's unfortunate but that should not be a solution to your problem to go right right to go harris things especially from living people like. That's not an acceptable solution. I think the piece where. I have a where i begin to have a big problem with that. Is you're trading one life for one life like if you had this one person and that one person could save hundreds okay mic like a needs of outweigh. The needs of the mini outweigh the beans. The like of get that a little bit for one exchange is. It isn't even one for one. Because i get the idea that okay this guy lungs. How many other body parts has he stole from other people just for him. Well so then you're like yeah wanting to one You know that's that's true direction. That's true that's true. You know and i mean the one guy here. He has a servant whose entire job is to go out and find him body parts. Okay how is this guy. He's a rich guy. Right is he. Is he the prince of the people and if something happens to him the civilizations going to crumble like there's some magic in his bones that we have to keep this guy live no matter. What like like. There's there's no reason to me for this one guy to justify sacrificing the lives of everybody else at that point you just go. Sorry dude. you're done. That's that's an like i would like to think if i was the point. I just go look. I'm not going to harm anybody else. Because of my disease exact. But that's what i feel but that but that's the question like this. Is you and i sitting here in perfect health and a comforts of our home. We're not faced with this choice. And that's the thing like if i was in their culture and i was an adult. I think i would have a hard time saying. Yeah especially if this is a new thing that we've just been afflicted with this and this is the first solution we found is like oh week while we can harvest parts from other things and implant nelson be fine. I would have a hard time doing right if i was a child. Raised in that culture. Where oh yeah every five years you just go in for surgery and we'll we'll implant with new lungs or newhart. Whatever you need and then you grow up and you find out. Oh this is how they do it and then it just might be okay. Well i need to continue the tradition. This is how do it and like that would be implanted in my mind differently at them moment. And or even even. If it's not continuing a tradition. Ma i mean bring it back to something here closer to home like oh man. That's really how they go. Get that without really sucks for those people. But they're away over in that other country on the other side of the world that i don't ever have to see your think about hide. I'm not thinking about how they procure them. It's here for me to to get right. I mean that's much closer to home. Like what what are we have at. I don't mean to open this up like like. Is this microphone made with underpaid labor in in some foreign country that i'm talking into right now sir i it like or or potential and honestly slave labor but i mean Effectively that i don't know. Actually i'm over. This microphones made no. It's not you know it wasn't that that thing like with with diamonds diamonds in my wife. String right now where the diamonds tell. Wasn't that whole thing like blood diamonds. Movie movie based out right. Yep right and add on some other level you gotta think of it in terms of of even the food we eat and the animals and we try not to here. We don't wanna think about that. You don't want to think about where the bacon comes from. That's under that you know and what happened. And i'm not trying to put that image in anybody else's head out there right now. Because i'm not going to think about it because beacons delicious but it's when you when you see i mean to your point when you come up with that sort of attitude of. I'm not worrying about where they're getting it from. This is just what i do survive. And that's what i'm saying when when i it's something that is new within your lifetime when your brain is developed and you're thinking about these things it's one thing but when the that's just the way it's always been and you don't question it that's i'm not saying that makes it right but that's where i think you know two three generations after the initial occurrence people stop thinking about it and they just do it and it's like it's fair. It's fair art matt. Lemme lemme twist the question on even just a little bit more. And why i think this is. This is such a great question to explore for this episode. You the audience who are in our horrible situation. Let's assume it's through no fault of their own. Nobody asks for disease. You know what i mean. Nobody asked for disease to turn into a pandemic. Okay at least not all the people who are affected by it. But you're dealing with it and you're and you're moving on you know the crew. Voyager is finding themselves in a horrible predicament. One that's really through no fault of their own. Okay right faced with life and death situations how is the crew going to react. Are they going to put other people in danger to save themselves. You know if if they find that way to get a little faster that might be cheating something else are are they willing to leave a trail of destruction just so they can get home. Yep and that. That's the big question and we didn't get answered that question with the dial the because there was no die with him right but we did kind of. Start to it with okay. Are you going to sacrifice this. Other guy's life to save one of your own. An answer was no like he even stood up and said. Hey i understand like all i'll give up my life so you can have these loans back. I think i think he kind of offered that. At one point and jane ways like no. I can't do that because that's killing you. that's why i even happier with her decision like she. she understood. She can't do that she's not going to do that. The oh go ahead go ahead. I think for the time being there on the right path. But we've said many times we're only four episodes in only four episodes on. I don't know what of timeframe were at have been floating around this quadrant for four days or month or a year. I don't think it's been a year. Yeah i think what you can generally pick up on or would you can generally go with is things are happening in about real time. Mish so it's been about four weeks. Okay that's kind of what i figured. Yeah yeah so i mean. They're just getting started. They're still figuring out how that's a big fish shirts big ish. Yeah that's fair that's fair. I mean well 'cause you're going to get to the point to where they take a break from production and i. I always love when when shows take the summer off the first episode back. They they always feel like they have to come up with some reason. So what you do the past three months. What happened in the past three months. He always no. It's like oh. I have so bad from break. Well i i like the one where it's like a two parter and over the season break come back in that first episode like finishes up the two parter story and then the second episode is like three months later. Yup it's like wait what what. Yeah i'm with you on that all right So the big question. We've gone through that. Neil gets fixed. He shares along with casts. Casts has a good little thing. Gone with dr. She's the new medical assistant. So yeah tom. Perez is off the hook at least for now he's the field medic so she's technically be trained being trained just his backup or replacement. Peres the fields of dr hopes. Right parents is only qualification as he took this year of chemistry biochemistry when he was asked not trained as a medical guy at all and is defined in the doctors a little more respected Out of it. And that's an episode matt. Yeah that's got to production notes. I didn't bring up. And i'd like to bring them up now. Go one the original name of the deans was called the before it the foreign and that is the name. They used while shooting the episode. Okay so every time in the episode. When you the word va deion. That is the actors going in. Looping it over. I don't think they use it much. They don't they don't but it is much stay did phase. Yeah and there's there's one part where one of the says it and it's very obvious his mouth saying before with the other ones but it's super super duper archer and that's why close up on his face right right but they changed at the ends in good job because before it's just feels weird coming out of my mouth so the dean's makes much more sense also met in case you would like to become a demon or if you've ever wanted a piece of star trek history you can buy gareth dean mask screen used for about two hundred and twelve dollars. It is available. Yeah it's available out there for two hundred twelve bucks A little piece of me. That wants to buy it but creepy. Next halloween costume right. All right matt. Well that's gonna do it really for for this. Particular are run through phase. I'll put it to you. I've told you everything that i've had to say about it and why i chose it. Do you like this episode. This one you'd want to watch again. And did it make sense. Why i wound up putting it in the last part of that but it i mean like side. It's not my favorite episode of kept me entertained long well enough but i i mean there are parts. That wouldn't mind washing again. Said that the doctor. He's good right i. i'm interested. See where this story goes right now. 'cause like saddam warm up on her but i guess there's nothing really in this that i need to see a get. The only thing would be is if things come back Like i i. I'm kind kinda wondering if the asteroid comes back we see Have war asteroids like this. I such good camouflage right right so so much i made. The comparison to the desktop are mostly because As soon as they said it was made made right And then i'm like. This is such a better idea instead giant metallic ball that you know what's that two out here it's like oh no asteroid pay attention that you especially if you stick it in the middle of like an asteroid field right like no. No one's going to worry about that. Oh landed on like you can lay on asteroids. Maybe there's a cave but if you don't know which one to go into like data had trouble finding out where to fly into follow them like. oh yeah they. They went over there. But we're not really sure where all we can follow this trail. Sure like so much better for a hidden base like on more of them. I will tell you matt for me. This is one of episodes that just sort of becomes a laundry episode game. I can see that while. I'm doing laundry throat on. It's fine to watch. There's nothing wrong with it but you don't have to pay that closer to especially once you've seen it you know what's going on exactly. Yeah washing this gannon this episode. But i wouldn't change the channel. It was on face all right. Cool all right matt. What would what our episode is. It will be useful all right. Well i know you're dying to know what's going on with cisco and the crew. So why don't we back over to deep space nine for the next episode. We're going to do an episode called heart of stone. And i will tell you. This is an oto episode. So buckle and i know he's one of your favorite characters over their heart of stone and matt i've got. It's been a while since i've had this. But i've got several extra viewing episodes for you because we're going to skip a whole bunch here in voyager. By the time we get back to it. So okay. I got a bunch of wanna give you. The first one is called the cloud which i think is actually the next episode. After this one right the popped up my yeah. I power reserves are continuing to run low. And there's coffee in that nebula life aboard voyager power reserve issues with some adventure mixed in. How do they how do they manage. Things is kind of a this is more of a what what the heck are they doing on voyager kind of that you know this is how the ship works exactly exactly so i put that out there just because you might have that and there's this iconic thing where they look they see nebula and they're like oh look there's stuff in there we can go use and jane ways having this whole issue like she likes coffee. She's a coffee addict and she looks up in this big line in there. It's a meam of janeway that's out there. It's not worth doing the whole episode. It was kind of wondering what he said. Ask coffee and they're like. Did you mean coffee really but like if you hear it in her voice in kate mortars voice coffee and that it's right at the end of the prologue like before they go to credits. There's a coffee in that nebula. It's great it's great. I want to give you as i of the needle and episode. I of neil. This is one of our personal favorites from season one. I'm a little sad. We're not going get to do it. But it's it's okay the crew finds a wormhole that leads them back to the alpha quadrant where they begin to communicate with a hard dasan scientist which gives them a lot of hope of being able to find a way home. Now i'm not gonna tell you what happens. And if they make it home or not but matt. This is the sixth episode of the series. So early on like if they made it back to the alpha quadrant. We'd be watching it. Yeah that that's fair. That would be a major plot point it. It's just one of those. It's way too early in the season in the series for you like could they possibly really make it back at the end of this episode. Now it's going to be like season. Yep it's a good episode and it's got a little bit of that crossover with deep space nine although it doesn't have anything to do with nine but it does give you a grounded in the fact that we're still in the same universe the same the same deal. There's another episode called post-facto. I'll give you. This is one of those episodes that i say every science fiction series is going to do and they seem to do these all in the first or second season basically. Tom perez is accused of murder and on an alien world and the crew. In this case for I think it's actually has to work to find out whether he's innocent or guilty. Which just one of those episodes but there are always good always like these episodes but every every every fi show does it. And i'm gonna give you. I'm undecided on one right now. Like i'm in the middle of making a sort of an audible call. Okay i'm gonna give this to you right now as an extra viewing but i may switch this up and make this a regular run. But if. I don't definitely extra viewing. There's an episode called prime factors and the only thing that describe this as what do you do when the prime directive is applied to you. And i'll leave it at that. It's it's a great discussion is kind of another. What would you do sort of episode like you know what what do you do when the prime directive gets applied to like against you and it's your prime directive. Somebody else has it too and anyway so lots of stuff to go on a through that so lots of extra viewing episodes for you to get into that at your leisure and of course where can people find out about some of those extra viewing episodes that we do wind up recording that you can find that over on our pay. He adrian dot com slash. Be me up. I believe that is true. It's a while featuring on dot com slash bb odd. That's what you call it. A british sprung that on matt. Yes sir matt nicely done nicely done. I'll say for thanks. Thanks for rolling with me on that in the biz. That's going to do it for us this week on me up. Remember folks if you want to get in touch with us you can find Everything we're doing at being pod dot com. You can even email us to be potted gmail.com. We would love to read that on upcoming answering the hills and again catch up with his over on patriot. We got we got a couple of new people over there mouth which is kind of fun so Joined that community mat work in the folks out there on the internet. You can find me over on instagram and twitter at as a matter of. And if you want to get in touch with me at brent allen live across all the social medias. I'd love to connect you there as well to the next iphone.
Ep. 453 wine2wine Session Recordings | International Grape Variety Seminar Part 2
"Italian wine podcast sheen with italian wine. People italian podcast as wind to wind two thousand twenty media partner is proud to present series of sessions chosen to highlight key themes and ideas and recorded during the two day event held on november twenty third and twenty fourth twenty twenty one twenty two thousand eight represented the first ever fully digital edition of the business to business for visit wine to wind dot net. And make sure to attend future additions of wine to wine business for wine. Wine twenty twenty. Everybody needs this lecture. On international grape varieties in italy is broken into a two parter. Because because well you know how you know how it is when the professor gets talking echo with the us nitrogen gonna give you. A table is a key role Luckily it'd be novel is nominated committee. That indicates this is a little. But not did. I doubt v-neck voted with came up over the deel being a meteorology Be based on you. Know in the lock goes as before. 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Ivanka Fashion Problems, LuLaRoe Refunds, Beauty Crime
"Hey, this is Lisa and this is Karen. And this is pop fashion. Guys. How's it going? Oh, how are you doing? Lisa. Great. I was just thinking about Mary most recent financial sale that I'm gonna have to live with which was like do you ever drive your car to the airport for like a short trip, and you wanna be just be able to get off the plane and get in the car on your way home. So you park at the airport note, Uber whatever, but then you park in the wrong lot. And then it Sunday. And I and it's Levin thirty and he just wanna be in your bed, and you realize that you are paying fifty four dollars to park at the Tampa airport out. All Honey, I'm so sorry. Luckily, it was fifty four dollars on my easy pass. So like, I didn't have to hand my heart over and be like our money. I was just like poof. I am confused about do they have short term versus long term parking. And you just went to the wrong area sort of they have short term parking and long term parking and Konami parking. I should've picked a Konomi parking. And I would have paid maybe like. Nineteen dollars total. So look my car is so new maybe it was worth parking in long-term and paying fifty four dollars. I don't know. Lisa one thing. I love about you as that. You're so straightforward about so many things including financial situations. And I love that about you. Because so many people don't talk about this stuff. So I appreciate it. Well, you know, a lot of times at work. I have to get a little preachy. Like, here's a lesson. Here's the thing. You should be doing. And then when I really fuck up. I'm just like look limited. Fuck this shit up. But it's not the end of the world like it's uncomfortable. It's not fun. You could use that money for tacos or some other thing another bed perhaps. But it's not like you spent a few thousand dollars. It's it's an uncomfortable mistake, but not one that a horrible one. It's sure sure although speaking of the cab, I received an interesting text message after our last episode, aired do tell from Canadian Heather who recently stayed at my apartment when she was visiting and she text me and she said, so let me get this straight. You bought a bed for a cat. The Artie has act. Access to a Queen bed. And I was like. Did it make you have second thoughts after hearing it phrased like that? No. It definitely made me confident that I did it because she knows how much Sabrina runs around on that Queen bed at night. And I think my mindset now is like my bed is not big enough for two queens. So the cat means her. That from bad for the cattle can sleep with me. She's chill little back you need your own bed. Go sleep in your bed. Got it. Got it. Good use the money girl. Right like financial lessons. Sometimes you have to spend the fourteen ninety nine plus ten dollars shipping plus sales tax to get the in. I'm just here to serve. Thank you. Lisa. You've given us all against. I'm just here to sacrifice for all of you for you. Remember that? Let's start out with some fashion. Crime Fasching is my favorite soup. No, no, actually. No. You can't you can't sing the song. Why can't I think the song because the shit? We're about to talk about is actually like how do I phrase this just motherfucking legal shit that you think is going to be legal, but it's legal. Yeah. To this fashion. Crime song was total fake out because it is legal tell us about von Cottrell business of fashion shared recently that if you walk into a Stein mart store, you can find in some places Ivanka Trump apparel being sold under the Adrian Vedeno brand. Basically, the leibels haven't taken off and they've been replaced with other labels and place on the rack as if nothing is a mess. We've been talking about this for a while. Because there's been a lot of discussion over whether Trump products should be in stores. There's been the whole. You're all at campaign to vote with your dollars, and, you know, put your money towards businesses that align with your beliefs, which totally cool, except you know, when you're stuck with all this vodka Trump stuff that you can't exactly move. What do you do with g three which owns the right to make in distribute of Trump labeled clothing? They also own DKNY, by the way, they admitted to doing this. But this is surprisingly not illegal. This is a completely normal thing that retailers do apparently. So where's the thing? That explains us. I could tell you why. Okay, please. Explain why because it has to do with brands not wanting their items to be considered discount, so Stein mart, which actually mentioned last week when we were talking about places that we got closed when we are in high school style. Mark is a discount store. So they don't do like a TJ max discount, but that you can get. It really nice items for a few dollars off. They have a great selection. Good buyers. They have good homegoods as well. I like this place. But the thing about having a brand is that you want to protect that brand. And some brands do not want to be associated with discount stores because it means it repositions them they feel like they're working against their best interests. And so they wanna keep their labels out of those stores. That's one reason why this practice is done. I didn't know this until the story broke. This is new information to me too. So what they'll do is Stein mart or any other discount stores can take the clothing, switch the labels. Do something different with the labels repackage it in some way, and this close can still get sold g three. It was very clear that they were like, yeah, we did this and to give you an idea. G three owns Soma like you said they own decay, and why they also own Calvin Klein, Tommy hilfiger. Karl lagerfeld. Kenneth Cole gas Levi's Cole Haan they have the right to license them. So they can go to different places. They also do work with the NFL too. I mean, they're a huge company them saying. Yeah, we did. It has bigger implications of like how is this working across your brands as well. The CEO of Stein mart and other retailers are saying the same thing. This is not motivated by politics that this has to do with common practices. I think they did it because they needed to drop the clothes. They had inventory, and they need a drop it that is my theory. What do you think that is exactly what I'm thinking? Because if you're a buyer or someone who works with licensing these brands, and you suddenly have a bunch of stuff on your hands that otherwise you're trying to hide between the racks in your stores. So that people like don't like there was one no in the story from business fashion where a customer had taken avant control. Piece of clothing and spit on it in front of a cashier before like leaving a store is not appropriate. And so doing this legal switcheroo can avoid some of that vitriol that can come out during these tumultuous times. Now, there are some limitations you can change the brand label on it. You can't change the tag. It says where it was made or what it's made of. So basically, the only tag that you can change is the one that says, you know, some name sort of at the top by the knacker and the waistband or whatnot. I knew this happened because as an avid thrift store shopper like you see this all the time. And I assumed it was because a stores like target and others will if they have really a surplus. They'll donate it all to thrift store just to unload it. They just take the loss and a lot of times those labels are cut out. And I always thought it was so that people couldn't buy the stuff at the thrift store, and then try to return it at a target location or whatever store they could tell that it was from 'cause the labels half there. Or it's sharpie. Dow. Out when really it may be that. But it's also for the brand's reputation, right because another practice that has done that a lot of people don't realize is an order to protect the brand if they can't drop close a lot of labels will burn the clothes rather than seldom or resell them with their label on it. They'll just destroy them. That's a practice. That happens all the time. Like a literal dumpster fire. Yes. Yeah. Now the big question. And this entire thing is did the other label note that this was happening. Did Adrian Vitit Dini. No, it's happening. They didn't comment, right? When they were asked. They did not comment Susan's gothi. She is the founder of the fashion law institute. She said, quote, if the original label is replaced with that of a third party unaware of the substitution, the responsible party would be liable to the third party all of this. Historically from the law of fraud. So that's where it could get kind of legally questionable. As did the other label know about it. They're not talking right now. They may know, they may know, but it's a question that's unanswered as of now, and that it's important to note that Adrian Vedeno is not under g three right there under a different brand. So it's not like if he's which donavan got Trump able for Calvin Klein label also under g three which also would have understood because those tops looked very much like having Klein suit wear to me. But it's one thing if they're under the seem licensing house where they can sort of manage that within, but it gets a little more complicated. I mean, there's still a decent chance we could have fashion crime on our hands. Actually, I can only hope I just love fashion crime so much. Maybe we'll give you a chance to sing the song again during this episode. No guarantees. I got something else in mind. It might apply later on. She's got shit our back pockets gay. She's. Got something Bruin little PI over there girl. I wanna PI certificate. I'm not kidding. I've been thinking about getting it. Okay. Veronica Mars have to do to get your PR certificate. I have to look up a bunch of stuff and go to classes, and then can you also like minister, weddings and do other shit that you get certified for on the internet knows a PI certificate. I'm not going to be a pastor. But I mean, it sounds along lines. Like this does not sound legit. Oh, I know. That's one reason. I like it. Oh, okay. Just so you can put it on the back year business cards. Yeah. I mean how awesome? Would it be that? We have a podcast and one of the podcast people also as PI certificate. That'd be mazing. I have ticket in applied sociology. Do you? Really? Yeah. From community college still counts. Mazing? Congratulations counts. What can I do with that? I don't know judge fashion crimes basically tie them back in society's ills. I have a certain. Ticket. That says I own a watch that watch from heaven. Yeah, I used to have it. It's like they give you a ticket. And it's like you own a timepiece by blah, blah, blah, and they sign it kind of like they used to do cabbage patch dolls. They would be like here's your certificate. You own the stall and they sign at the bottom. I don't think they actually would sign it. I think it was just a stamp Lisa that might be the truth. But the little girl inside of me wants to think that that actually came from cabbage patch and its mind because I'm the new, mommy. Okay. Yeah. Dr cabbage patch signed it before time you picked it up from the store that was a grandma purchase. Thanks, grandma. I know moms didn't buy that stuff. Grandmoms about that stuff. Oh, yeah. Well, anyway, this thing is happening. We got off the rails. Okay. Anyway, Ivanka Trump dresses questions. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. So do you wanna tell us about the other of Trump thing? Yeah. Because we got to for story this week with the Trump's is this is not your other chance for the fashion crime song. So everybody calm down. We're just gonna we're just hear them form. I think some people would wanna sing the song before the story. So it's an interpretation of Trump's brand was cleared for. Chinese trademarks onto same day. She met with the Chinese president. Favor was a party favor. Thanks for coming to lunch. Prove your brands. Avante company want approval from the Chinese government for trademarks to sell Ivanka brand jewelry bags and spa services on the same day that she was granted approval to sell to the world's second largest economy. Yes, she dined with the Chinese president was this an accident. I don't know as it turns out, though, Vonk is very popular in China, the Chinese people as a whole really like her. She is seen as a Princess. Yup. She is. So she's technically stepped down from her brand since she's become an advisor to Trump, but they're in a trust and she still receives payments from the trust. So she is now an official White House employees, but does not receive a salary in order to avoid ethical concerns to make matters more complicated in this entire situation. Many of her items are manufactured in China. This situation isn't technically illegal, but there are federal conflict of interest laws that prevent government officials from getting involved in policy issues that could directly impact their financial interests. I know this personally because my husband works for the government. And if we are going to invest in a new stock we have to inform his organization that we're going to do it. So there is no conflict of interest. It really affects us personally because we have to think through do we need to report what we're doing with our money to is organization. So. There isn't anything sketchy going on because we don't want that to happen. And we don't want him to get in trouble later on for something that we think is innocent. But turns out it's a much bigger deal. I appreciate this due diligence. You know, it's always good to make sure that everything's above board. But I think there's a difference between you and your husband making sure that things are on the up and up for the sake of his job versus Ivanka Trump who. Yeah. Also needs to do things for the sake of her job being on the up and up. But also was a hugely public figure. I think that the pressures on when you're in the public eye, and this is something that happened during visits she made when the Chinese people seem to as a whole really love her that timing is just off. Yeah. They may have approved it anyway. Right. We may not want to hold this example too tightly because they may have been already in the works. This kind of stuff takes forever as just this. Incident adds up with a lot of other smaller incidents and all looks kind of weird and fishy. Yeah. It's like, maybe the timing was coincidental. But what do you think they talked about it lunch where they just going to ignore? Like the fact that happened haven, go congrats on your new business development, but onto this salmon to put things into larger context Vonk met with the Japanese Prime minister at the same time her brand was finalizing licensing deals and Japan. See this is what I think that maybe the timing isn't a coincidence as she popping by a couple of factories while she's in China to like, I don't know. I don't have enough information to judge this as harshly as I want to out of just pure impulse. But it does seem like things line up in a very not natural way. I put this under the category of sketchy, sketchy, sketchy, sketchy is how we get a lot of comments. Usually when we talk about. Political stories or restart heading in the realm of politics, but just things off right, there fashion, his political. There is no getting around this. This is what's going on in the fashion world right now. And it's going headfirst into politics. That's all there is to it. So we have to talk about it. I made out with a guy once whose name was scotch. I hope he didn't have a relationship with him. No. That was not his his given name. That was what everybody what anyway politics. No, let's go back to this for a second. I'm glad you did not have a relationship with this guy because him getting that as a nickname does not bode, well, my friend. Well, I I believe he was into art and any rate look the point of the matter is kissed him and set him free. Yeah. And he didn't come back. So it wasn't into b he was too short for me. And that saying something anyway news, I have a few updates for us today. I'll start. With the least salacious of the bunch. I don't know maybe it is salacious because there's a lot of money involved. LVMH is buying the rest of Christian Dior for six and a half billion euros, which is no small chunk of change. If this sounds confusing is I won't get into all the details. Because all of our heads will explode on need to go, get drinks. But the long and short of it is that there are two parts of the Dior brand one is New York tour. The other is your Parfums or whatever. But the perfume and accessories brand is already under LVMH. The Katori part is what is being purchased and brought into the brand for six and a half billion euros that is so much money so much money because usually when we're talking about fashion brands, even luxury brands that we're talking about multimillion like five hundred million dollars like when it starts getting into Billy. That's when I'm like, ooh, you are really paying for that label for the history for everything. Yeah. I played monopoly junior this weekend. So you understand this completely? So I understand this completely. I had a hard enough time explaining that math to kids, but like as an adult I feel like I need about eighteen people to explain to me how the money works in this. Because like I can't even imagine that figure LVMH owns half the world right now, especially with this new acquisition. It's true. And you know what I mad? They know what they're doing. They know how to protect the brand they do they don't play. And I loved your to have it all unified under one thing is fine. By me. You do that y'all pay that money? Do it yet. A now I'm gonna tell you about people losing their jobs. We talked one or two weeks ago about gentle lines leaving J crew. She got like a huge, quote unquote severance package to leave her position as creative director. Now, it has been announced that two hundred fifty full and part-time jobs are being eliminated from the company mostly from corporate headquarters is this the fallout from. The immediate post Jenna period at J crew. Perhaps the move is allegedly going to save the company twenty five dollars. No, it's going to save them more than that. After the ten million. It pays in severance and other termination costs for these poor people are losing their jobs. The layoffs are supposed to save J crew thirty million dollars that is a drop in the bucket to what they own right now. This is a panic move. They're trying to consolidate an order to streamline operations because they are in such deep water. Yeah. J crews fiscal 2016 sales. We're just a little over two billion, but they are in debt in billions to like deep debt do. Yeah, you're right. This is a panic move. I feel really bad because these are corporate jobs like this is hard. A lot of these people are skilled designers. Just sucks. I took an art class from a woman who was a designer for J Crew she taught fashion illustration, I wonder how she's doing right now. I kind of want to check on her name sketch. Did you kiss her? I don't know. I don't think that was her. Yeah. So she was teaching the art class as like a guest because I remember you took this in northern Virginia. So she was working for J crew at the time as a designer and was like a gust art teacher. Yes. Yes. Jelly. It. Always makes me nervous when corporate headquarters start chopping off jobs because it means that it's not just a reordered rewards happened in all organizations all the time like they shuffle people around and order to try to make a new vision work or whatever. But when you start going after corporate jobs, it's not that those mean more because their corporate versus the jobs that are outside of that bubble just means that it's an indication that things aren't going as planned at show something larger at reveals a larger part of the picture of what's happening with the brand in my opinion. Yeah, it's not like, oh, we're going to close these couple of low. Performing stores where the numbers immediately make sense. This is a bit deeper. Yes. The best way to put it. Yeah. You should look your art instructor up on Lincoln. But you should log out of Lincoln. I also so it doesn't track me. So it doesn't show her that you looked her up. I've always hated that about linked Lincoln. I know I was like you can't be like stealth come on, Dan. Let me be stealth Facebook as the place for creep in. I know right. But I wanna creep on like business stuff out to be a business creeper come on. No, I wanna see your resume. Sometimes I'm just like fuck it. They're gonna see I looked at their thing linked in problems, by the way. I have one more update. Yeah. Girl. This is my favorite one. This is the only one that has any sort of happy ending actually know the DR one was good to Becca delete. All that put the put the episode if you need some funny shit. This is my favorite of the shore updates because it means some money back in somebody else's pockets. Lula row has started a widespread return program. Ooh, is this are let's not get sued program. So there is currently a lawsuit pending against Lareau at this time for shoddy manufacturing and crap return policies that lawsuit is trying to gain traction as a class action lawsuit. Meanwhile, today Leroux announced a program that was okay. So today's April twenty fifth, by the way, Lou the row announced a program where if you have bought leggings anytime between the first of January twenty sixteen and yesterday, April twenty fourth you can get a refund if you have something that did not live up to your standards. If it fell apart, you can get a refund it was normal, wear and tear. That's not going to get refunded. But if you have something that tore after shortly after he bought it or it came with the defect. You can either work with your independent retailer to initiate, either a return or an exchange or store credit. Or you can work with Leroux corporate. If you can't remember who you bought them from if you can't find a receipt somewhere, you can go directly through them to get your return. This is called the cover our ass programs literally and figuratively sort of it's called, well, they do have a happiness policy that says that if you're not satisfied with them thirty days, you can always take your item and your receipt back to the person who sold you the stuff for refund credit or exchange. But this whole thing is because after thirty days the refund window closes, and you can only get a credit or an exchange. People were angry. They were like my pants are falling apart. I don't want another pair of pants. I definitely want my money back. I don't trust this brand. So this new return policy is I need to find the name because it's dumb. This is called the make good program. You have until July thirty first of this year to submit your claim to get your refund. What I think they're doing what I think will happen is that say Carin you wanted to get a refund for a pair of leggings. Then if this lawsuit a class action, I think that's going to negate you from being involved because if you've got money back from the retailer, you wouldn't have to be involved in that class action to get any sort of compensation. I was wondering about this. I was thinking it's either to disqualify you from class action or they can come back and say, we did our due diligence. So they don't get hit as hard with that class action money causes companies to make decisions that they should've made in the first place. You know, we we we there is more. No Leroux has made it loud and clear that they're not changing their. Facturing at all dumb dumbs dum Dums. Right. Like, they still say we didn't do nothing wrong. They say they're going to be a little more rigorous testing these items before they go out, but there has been no like they think that they're just fine. And they're know this is the king of a no apology apology is because they can't apologize because if they apologize. They legally will have to accept all the financial blame for it. So they can't do it. Exactly. It's not about being nicer not being nice. It comes down to money Honey down a little bit Gatien. And I'm saying that because I know so much about the law, which I don't, but I know enough that like you never say, I'm sorry. I did it wrong because then you are fully accepting financial responsibility. Oh, yeah. It's like when you get into a car accident. Yeah. Except for the one time that it really was my fault. And I told I was like it was my fault. Then it's my insurance person. It was definitely my fault. You're on this person. That's good. I'm glad you did that that's really nice. I mean. T-boned a guy. Like, clearly, it was my fault. That would do it. I was young. I wasn't going too fast. We were fine DuPont circle. For all y'all who know DC the insights, circle and the outside circle and the nighttime. Yeah. Anyway, I have conflicted feelings about this. Because on the one hand I'm really excited that a lot of regular people can get their money back. I don't know how quickly these returns and refunds are going to be processed, by the way. But at least there's a system in place where you should be able to get your money back on the other hand. I really love good class action lawsuit. Leases for the fashion drama, dude. I write about a lot of these at work, and they fascinate me why because they're outrageous. Well, the thing is that usually a class action lawsuit. Get settled without the company admitting that they did anything wrong, which is just the same as what Larose trying to do. Now is avoid that. I don't know. I just love these like, what are what are some of the ones my favorite class action lawsuit of late was against a vibrator company that was spying on its customers. Oh, I read about that girl. Yeah. Because it was bluetooth. The can't know what your who has doing. No, right. You don't don't setting have that. So my class action lawsuits that I I love seeing customers get what's owed to them. Because a lot of times people don't even know there's a lawsuit until it turns into class action. And then they're like, oh my gosh. I can benefit from this. And it is that layer of consumer protection. It's like the last ditch effort and a whole hell of a lot of time at works. Great. Sometimes you get eight cents. But sometimes you get like a really good payout. I guess if you can avoid some of that, litigation and legal fees and the delay in getting money back to consumers, maybe this is a better option. It sounds like it just peels to your idea of fairness. That's what it's about. It's about being fair. I'm just looking out for the little guy. You are. The AAA batteries go on those vibrators by Lhasa was wrong. No, the lawsuit was right? I the lawsuit was right? The whole like spying through vibrators holy shit. If you haven't it about this. You gotta read about a guy is crazy everything is spying on you. I know my microwave sex toys, everything those are all my updates cool moving on. We're gonna talk about Jimmy Choo. Because Jimmy Choo is for sale shoes. They're looking for a buyer because they decided they wanted to maximize their shareholder value. If you don't really understand what that means. I don't really understand what it means either. I think they're trying to up their visibility for shareholders. Usually when a company says we want to put ourselves up for sale at means that they're doing very poorly financially. But no Jimmy Choo is doing very well. They had a fifteen point seven boost and core earnings for last quarter. They're doing well financially. Their men's shoes at excessive as the company's fastest growing category. They are planning a launch of men's sunglasses, and I wear and twenty eighteen right now J A B luxury is the majority shareholder and the company they own sixty seven percent of the company, you know, what they also own crispy cream and Pinera. Okay. So ways is that all own is three of those companies. No, I think they own other things too. I was going to say it's all this food related stuff and Jimmy Choo. Yeah. That's a little odd. Well, I will say this just because the business is doing well doesn't mean it's necessarily getting press. And nothing's gonna get you press like an advertisement that you're up for sale, you know, who's buying LVMH? You should look at them. That walmart. Hey, walmart. You're buying everything else. You wanna buy Jimmy Choo? Some things are secret KARN. Slapped my mouth, maybe they need more money in order to grow. Maybe they're at that point. They wanna be bought out. So they can grow in a different way, especially if men's is growing for them that means you need more brain power, you need more people on the supply side. It's a whole different ballgame from women's shoes and a lot of ways. So I can imagine that that growth in the men's range is really exciting. But also, maybe a little terrifying. And next time you go to Panara for a sandwich. You could be like, yeah, I got a sandwich by the same people who do Jimmy Choo four. Now, man, what if you get a sandwich and a pair of shoes in the same? I mean, I guess that's called the shopping mall. But sometimes I'm hungry and shoes. I dunno. I wanna think this over I'm going to think about like a hybrid business model that works pretty much. Only for me. Okay. Sounds good goal going to work on that. It's probably called sitting near closet with the sandwich. You made yourself. And look at your shoes that you already own. I'm already sitting in my closet. So I'm halfway there. Okay. I'm about to blow y'all's minds because only I was up way past my bedtime last night. Reading this article from Atlantic City lab about freight, and you're like Lisa what kind of train? Did you fall off of? Now, I didn't follow the train. I fell UPS truck. Please bear with me. So we all buy stuff online all the time. We expect things to be delivered at our door with in several hours of ordering sometimes. But the one thing that a lot of us are forgetting about the way e commerce works is that things have to get from the warehouse onto the plane to the place where the general place where they're going than they get put on a smaller truck in the smart, Chuck and finally out on the truck that is going to deliver the package to you. Whether that's FedEx or UPS or USPS and the congestion. Question that is being caused by all of our ecommerce ordering is really messing with these delivery services this article from city lab was specifically looking at deliveries an urban areas because in rural or more suburban areas, you have a little bit more space to maneuver around. Whereas if you're in a city, you know, there's not a whole lot of extra space to leave your truck while you're making deliveries parking limited commercial loading zones are even more limited a lot of buildings. Don't have easily accessible loading docks. And you have awful stories about delivery trucks park in a bike lane for hours and get multiple parking tickets this city lab writer wrote along with a UPS driver for his Rupe? This ups driver is a longtime or with the company his Rueda has recently been reduced from ten city blocks to eight city blocks in downtown Washington DC. So I am geographic context here. It's in the area. Sort of between the White House and the Kennedy Center on the northwest side of DC along I street, and what this driver, basically has to do is like pick a spot put his truck and put as many boxes as he can on his hand, truck and roll it all around in deliver it big problem. This is the impact that we don't think about a lot. We think about all the cardboard boxes that are being used and how they're being recycled a lot of times, we think about the fuel for the planes and getting things back and forth. But sometimes it's easy to forget the gas from the truck that's running while the guy's making deliveries or the problems that are caused traffic at snarled because truck is blocking a lane things are double-parked. I also learned that if you are delivery company, and you get a parking ticket at ain't no thing because they strike deals with cities to pay those tickets, for instance, if you're a UP. ES or a FedEx you probably strike GO with the city that you're delivering in to say, we will not ever fight you on a parking ticket. If you allow us to basically bulk pay on a bunch of them at a designated lower. So freaking smart. So they pay a jillion dollars on parking tickets, but not as much as you are I would pay on a single ticket. If we were really in the wrong, not is really interesting fascinating. Article many twists and turns just just the volume of this is crazy in twenty ten the US PS, which has actually overtaken FedEx and UPS for the largest parcel delivery service in the country in twenty ten the US PS delivered three point one billion packages nationwide. Last year USPS delivered more than five point one billion packages. That's an six years. This is blowing my mind because I'm thinking through all the times I've seen. Deliveries just going on my daily routine, and you're right. There is no place to park. There's no place to turn to pull over you can't pull over even so funny. My parents came to visit me once and they needed to drop some of their luggage off. They said where do we pull through? And I said there is no pulling through like park somewhere. There's nowhere to pull through. I don't have a driveway. We're in the middle of downtown urban area. It's like that for everyone. There's no place to unload. I used to pick you up at your apartment building by pulling into the building two doors down that had a driveway and pretending. I was waiting for someone there. This happens during the day a lot where you'll see a big truck and traffic trying to get around them. I never thought about the environmental impact because one car doing that one day is not a big deal. But if you've got like hundreds of vehicles doing that in a city, and it's happening constantly, and there I'd alling, of course, that causes an environmental impact. I never thought of that. It's amazing. Yeah. Vehicles are idle ING if vehicles are in traffic longer because of the congestion also you have to think about the impact on the roads themselves. Yeah. Because there are just more trucks that are out in about on a daily basis. The rule of thumb is to figure that every twenty five people produce one internet delivery. So if you think about how many people live in a city, you know, take the number of people in New York City divided by twenty five, and that's how many packages are going to get delivered there. So they're they're trying out several things to try to alleviate this in some newer apartment. Buildings or some that have been retrofitted in cities. You know, it used to be the delivery person had to go around and drop packages off at all the doors and scan them to say that they were delivered at the doorstep. Now, there are a lot of these like package lockers inside apartment buildings see you can just go, and they all get dropped off in one place in separate lockers your packages safe. No one has to sign for it. But it cuts off a lot of that time of the delivery person walking around and lugging on these packages UPS is also trying this system. Of course, they're testing it in Oregon. It's a bike delivery surface. It's an electronic assisted bike that has a big car on the back that looks the size of like that you might go to to get like a snow cone at the fair, and it can hold a whole bunch of packages. So that can be sort of that last mile drop off system a lot of packages where it might be quicker to get around by bike rather than by truck. There's no one good solution for this. This. But it is just interesting to look at the impact of the ease of getting things like for me. It just seems so easy to order, something align and wait for it to magically appear, but they're so much that goes into getting that package from one place to another and what the city lab pointed out based on information that they had found from these shippers and different online. Entities. Is that people are buying convenience items online that they could get within a fairly close radius of their homes. So, you know, health and beauty products that you might pick up from CVS or Staples that you might get from the grocery store, it's not that we're replacing trips to those stores with ecommerce is that we're doing more of it. We go to the grocery store, and then we also order some stuff online in the same couple of days. And it's it's just different. Now. If you're interested in a subject, I do want to recommend a podcast called containers. If you're interested in transportation how? Things get from one place to another. They talk a lot about how products get from one part of the world to another how freight works. How doc works for some people are going to be like, okay, never. I don't want that. But it really is interesting to go through a walk through the logistics of how items get to us. So again, it's called containers lookout for. It's a good podcast is an audio version of how it's made what do you mean that show about how things are made? Like, that's that's how I see it as a very soothing show about how trumpets get from the factory to the trumpeter. It's not quite like that. Because even though they're revealing steps and a process there's so many problems to solve within this. Okay. I really liked it episode that had to do with coffee how sourcing beans and then getting from one place to another. I mean, this is ultra nerdy. But I really like it because it's so impactful, you're right. We think that these things magically. Appear. They don't they're real people real systems behind this little upset that you've been holding out on me about this podcast. He should've known that. I would have liked this longtime ago, but whatever it's cool. Look it up with the rest of the commoners. It's so nerdy. I just didn't. I just assumed you wouldn't be interested. But I guess I should not assume. Lisa. Yeah. You know, what happens when you assume he make an asset of yourself as out you and me, I know. No, you just making us out of yourself. That's not that the saying goes, you know. Tom. I saying goes if you want the non excited convoluted version of this city lab story I've been talking about. It's called the flipside of the retail meltdown the delivery Chuck siege by Andrew Celeski. Thank you to listener Bethany for pointing this out blue little membrane. Awesome. Awesome story. Beauty is a second favorite subject kinda showed back up kind of close. So we're going to talk about underground beauty rings, getting busted, an underground cosmetics. Ring got busted last week in China Alibaba, the website tipped off Chinese authorities to a group of people they thought were selling fake cosmetics. So the police busted up this ring and found two point nine million dollars worth of fake beauty supplies. I've you're thinking, hey, the sound. Kind of a millionaire yet because it is we talked about only a few weeks ago back in February on February twenty third something else happened that was very similar a 'cause medics ring got busted up because of tip. It's sort of like Alibaba calls the cops, and they immediately call the press to be like, look, we did a good thing. We're trying really hard actually doing something good. We have to have attention because of because there's been so many fix on our website four suspects have been arrested at the Chinese police are looking for six other people the scam imitated Lemaire and Jo Malone products. So we're talking high end beauty items over four thousand items were discovered and the warehouse raids so they did all these raids including fake face creams, I cream serums and fragrances. This is the crazy part and investigator said, quote, they would take recycled bottles and soak them and a bucket on top of toilet used their hands too. Scoop up a product into the containers and package that as their products. No. Oh, that's so gross. Just the fact that the toilet was in the same sentence as all of that. Yeah. If you're new to the podcast and don't really understand about fake beauty products. Essentially, what they're doing is making a budget gunk and putting it and packages that has a label of a luxury brand and then selling it now part of the story is that they were selling online. So it was a small shop that was selling online. That's how they got busted. But these products were also being sold in stores two in America, not an American necessarily, but they were being sold and brick and mortars. What happens is because they're fixed dropped the price. People see a luxury brand at a lower price. They buy it thinking it's version of the product it's coup that they put in a little container if I'm understanding correctly. It was individual consumers who were buying this online. But also retail stores who are making wholesale orders. Also online, it's a little confusing about how products we're getting from one. To another when it comes to the brick and mortars. It sounds like there were buyers and the buyers may have known that they were buying fake products. But it's a little unclear shady as shit. Oh, they were also selling fake products through we chat. It's ridiculous. Wait a second. Though. The thing I can't really wrap my mind around. How do they get the recycle containers, the empty containers? I don't know. I don't know if there is a process where people actually dig through garbage. I don't know that or if containers are made to look like it with like a graphic that mimics the graphic or if they do a mix they found real packaging intermixed with fake packaging to I don't know if they just found recycled containers from that brand. Okay. But it was close enough that consumers thought they were actually buying the product. That's ridiculous. The police are involved, but it doesn't sound like if you were customer of Alibaba got duped, like probably nothing you can do. Well, remember, I don't know about this particular story. But a lot of times in these fake beauty markets that are happening online. If you complain a lot of times, the people will automatically fund your money because they don't want. Anybody sniffing around it. Yeah. A lot of times they just take care. Of it and say, okay, sorry about that and refund the money. So then the customer can't complain to anybody higher. I don't know if that's what happened in this instance. But just as a warning don't buy fake beauty products. Don't buy off of sites that you don't know if a beauty product is at a lower price than you're used to paying be careful because it might be a fake and fake beauty products can lead to you. Don't know. What's in it? It could be bad for your skin. It could be bad for your health. So just be careful. Yeah. Go with your gut and authorized retailer is beautiful thing. Also, read reviews on the internet, the more. You know, I saw a place this week that sold these awesome bathing suits, and I was like, ooh. These look great. And I did a little research and said, hey, what's going on with this website? And everybody said do not buy this place is a scam. And I almost bought it because the pictures were so cute as it turns out, they were sourcing their pictures from other places it was an old big scam. So just do some research takes like ten seconds to look it up online shade. Yeah. I was looking at a sleeping bag on the internet. Day. I know none of those words make sense in a sentence about me. But there was one that was like real cheap on Amazon and the first review I sent it to someone right away. I was like please read this review. There was a detailed pros and cons on the pros list. It said one of the number eight was feels like snuggling without bunnies. And I was like, oh, this is going pretty well. And then on the cons in caps with several reminders to look at the cons list. It was a warning about the cheap fabric on the inside of the sleeping bag that would be up against your skin. You know, that cheap fleecy fabric that just gets stuck on like every little hang now or freckle that you have on your body and just feels scratching uncomfortable. Apparently that was the lining of the sleeping bag, and he was like warning warning be aware if this fabric irritates, you if you hate this feeling do not buy this. Otherwise, if you like snuggling with bunnies on the other side and sleeping bag. Cool. God bless reviewers. Or do jobs like that. I really appreciate you know, how many internet reviews I've ever left on my life like three. But there are people who are out there who are diligent about it. Who were also honest. Oh, gosh bless those people. They're doing a service doing God's work for real. So people don't get duped service to mankind. Thank you sleeping bag reviewer surprise, though. You can't get a good sleeping bag for twenty three dollars yet. No kidding. Where are you going camping? What is wrong with you? Right now. I am that we get after I get back from New York. I'm going camping. It's beach. Somebody blackmailing you is that why you're going. No, I wouldn't go to the beach. So you're going on purpose. Yeah. I'm going with my friends. There's a lecture city there. We had a big fight about whether we were going to take the box fan that sets in my living room to blow on us while we sleep in nature. I don't understand any of these words that you were saying a bunch of us. It's going to be fine. We're gonna eat a lot of hot dogs. You know, you could stay in your house and eat a lot of hot dogs. I know, and I could also be at the beach and like. He minutes. But if I sleep at the beach, I can be there in like thirty seconds watch. I'm gonna come back from that weekend. Crispy tomato colored and you're gonna be laughing at me. You're an avid good time. I'm giving you a hard time. But I know you're gonna have fun covered in hives a mosquito bites. It's gonna be great. They're flush toilets. It'd be great. When you get like eaten up by all the sand bugs, I get into your sleeping bag is going to be so much fun. You are rude. No, my sister also got attacked by sand dance. Once it was tragic. I am not trying to be rude. I'm trying to look out from girl. I know it's never seen me outside for more than five time. I know I've just thinking about myself. I'm really projecting. It's very unfair. I'm a different woman. Now, I also know that you also like the beach. So like give it a chance. Let me do the dry run. And I'll let you know how goes and maybe next time, I'll invite you or maybe I'll just leave you at home. So I've had about enough with ashen news tonight. So let's read some listener letters. I'm just fooling I'm always ready for more fashion news, but I also really like listener letters. So it's always exciting to get to them. Guess what we heard from this week the teens? Apparently, we have really awesome teen listeners and last week when I was crying and whining about not knowing where teens shop of they stepped in tell me, which is wonderful. We had no idea that so many teens listed they cue. Thank you for answering the call. Yeah. So here. There are a few letters. I we have grace. She says hearing you guys wonder about where teens shot made me realize that I eighteen an expert in this field based on what I've observed from my friends and classmates, the most popular stores are as follows in no particular order Victoria's Secret urban outfitters Acis Zara forever. Twenty one packs on an American Eagle outfitters. Sounds about right. Victoria's secret. I don't know why. I'm surprised because I was always down Victoria secret when I was a youngster. We also had a comment on Twitter. Someone asked me if I used to shop at rave, and I was totally when we were talking about route twenty one I totally forgot about rave. I forgot about to blast from the past. Y'all. We got another note from Sadie, here's what she says. I recently listened to your episode in which she inquired about where teen shop for clothing. I'm a fifteen year old girl, and fashion blogger and I wanted to comment on where I and my. Friends. Purchase are close. My all time favorite store is airy. Which is the American Eagle the yes, it's American Eagle not only because they offer adorable and comfy clothing options. But also because they have a body positive message that I wholeheartedly support. I also frequent stores like American Eagle mainly for their comfy jeans gap old navy and urban outfitters. Yes, I know the last one is quite cringe-worthy despite urban continued discrimination against native people I sometimes purchase items particularly dresses from store as for forever. Twenty one. I am often able to find cute and pieces for great prices. However, I don't rely on their Ida GMs for my staple pieces as the quality is quite low and the ethics fast fashion is alarmingly horrifying, although most of the stores listed are more geared toward adults. I am able to find age appropriate pieces that are both stylish and that lasts me a long time. If you're interested in seeing my blog, and my style, you can find it at CD, gene, styles blogs. Dot dot com. Can I get a hell? Yeah. For Sadie for being fifteen and being able to explain the rationale for why she shop certain places. Yes. And I check out our blog. It's so good. I'm so impressed with our young listeners. You guys are way cool here than I was at y'all's age. And we also heard from Hannah who's been doing some experimentation with her clothing, and we suggest a scarf. She sent us pictures of outfits that she had with scarves involved. It was awesome. So thank you so much for letting us know, we appreciate that. So cool. You guys are the best. We also this week got some emails from Natasha, Connie, Andrew cloudy, and everybody's so insightful. We have such thoughtful listenership, thank you guys so much, right? Our inbox is always bumping I love to see what y'all think about the things we talked about sometimes raise issues that we had no idea existed. It just is heartwarming to look at y'all's emails. Thank you. If. You want another way to support the podcast because we do love your emails. But if you're looking for yet another way because you love us feel free to rate or review us on I tunes over ever you. Listen to podcasts that is always helpful good. I'm gonna tell you guys where to find me and listen up because it changed its new our script is different. You can reach me on Twitter at true to style. New name true to style. Please come find me there. Lisa. How do people find you? You can still find me all over the internet at least Tele because I've had the same online name since the year two thousand two because you're amazing at branding. Even at a young age figured it out. I did not it's taken me. A while who knew Brandon would be a thing. But it's it's exciting to see you at your your new brand new Twitter handle, are you gonna show up next week with like a haircut and a nose ring. And like, maybe is this the high school makeover episode of? Yeah. This is the montage. Josh just trying to find myself. Lisa going to changes. Okay. And it sounds like Napoleon dynamite. Now love me for who. I am. I have to explain my art to you. Lisa. Yeah. That's you know, we're going through some shit. If you want to reach us as show, you can find us on Twitter at just pop fashion or you can Email us at just pop fashion at G L dot com because something's are so good. They don't need to change. Amen to that. We are also on the old internet's pup fashion, podcast dot com. Just posted a picture of my cat recently without Kearns, permission or knowledge. So you can tell who runs that website. It's in good hands. What you say now? But you know, go on vacation, try me. I know seriously, you're gonna go rogue I'm gonna come back and be like what is going fashioned plus cats dot com, anyway, it was nice talking to you all this week in our very professional podcast. Always a pleasure. And we will see you next week talk to you guys.
Amazed at the Resurrection
"February twenty amazed at the resurrection. This is now the second letter. I am writing to you beloved in both of them. I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder second, Peter three what? What? As Easter approaches. Let's stir up our thankfulness and joy and Edme ration- and amazement at what the resurrection of Jesus means for us. The curse of our fallen nature. Is that what once thrilled us becomes ordinary? The reality is changed. We have changed. This is why the bible exists. Peter says of his two letters that they are written to stir up or arou- by means of reminder. So let's stir up our sincere minds, by way of relondo. What has got done in raising Jesus from Vedeno? Here are a few biblical answers. Because of the resurrection of Jesus we are born again to a living. Hope I Peter one three blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to his great mercy. He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Because of Jesus resurrection. He now has the glory for which we were made our ultimate destiny is to see him as he is first Peter one Twenty-one God raised him from the dead and gave him glory John seventeen five and twenty four and now father glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. Father I desire that they also whom you have given me maybe with me where I am to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. May the risen Lord Jesus himself, awaken and arouse your sincere mind to new depths of worship and allegiance and joy.
Ep. 463 #everybodyneedsabitofscienza | Andrea Agnelli Question
"Warning warning contains information language. These broadcasts contains information any talion chain. Italian wine podcast back. She will battalion wine. People welcome to be special. Everybody needs a bit of shensi edition of the italian wine podcasts. Here's the premise. Vinitaly international academy community members. Send us questions via chief scientist professor at the oceans. We record offices and stevie. Kim tries to keep him in line. Sometimes it works. Thank you for listening. Hello everybody welcome to The next episode. Everybody needs a bit of chance. I'm here of course with professor a team. That's not forget to say hello to monte the way monte got really angry last time i are we call him we improvise. He said please do not do that to me ever again. Okay monte just you know you never know. Life is beautiful like that you know. Just don't be so english about that okay. So today we have a question from andrea and nearly. Let's listen to his voice recording. Hello underground yeah. Le- my question to professor. Chance is the following since i am from belgium. I like to know why guy. Gene off organizers of these gummy even though you these will be the belongs to the got mash up grenache family. You see to make things even more complicated in the already complicated italian wine world. Thank you professor. Bye-bye they were tila safai normal yampa andrea. Kid'll have become your son. Federal gino kid by pedagogy now on my resume main of a i guess it applies the la famiglia. The gun mac. Famiglia ninety story of okay onto the small. Okay thank you okay. Thank you gino. Study at we shoot best on the few to lash the ever all their kid the venice facto below puttable. Damn kayla three ohrid king. Can i three older the squalor daily and i became of league after i was the only. The monastic is allowed to something that dino wallet dental. 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Sure inspire could no me. Government senior tissue came out nomi motivation. The oilers whatever. This is a short session. So that's the word giving brexit's for today let me take off my mouse and thank you so much for following us and supporting us. It's crazy idea that i had went monte three years ago and we miss julia we love jacob but we miss juliette because she's so quirky and i know she soon getting her phd now and she's doing some fantastic research but we still get to. You know that lady who does says chain with italian wine people so she actually came came to me. I just want to tell you that. She came to me about three years ago and she applied for a position to become on event manager. Basically and i looked at her. Cv she was incredibly qualify. A super geeky smart lady. But she had nothing to do with event management and then there was a sliver of descriptions about her experience with radio broadcasting. So i said my gosh. Let's do this. And then monte came along and i was like what. How do you think he's like. Oh you know. My dad used to do this of obviously not a podcast but a radio show and so and he said this was his dream thing to do. So we kind of put it all together and who knew it would have become You know The product that it is today. We i know some people on had question. How come we have diversified so much. Our portfolio battalion ryan podcast. They really loved it when we were just Interviewing basically italian wine producers And the reason being is because we do one to embrace a wider audience and also we. I realized that lot of you don't know that We also do other things like books for example and you know the business is very very difficult. People don't read anymore because everything is free on the net but it was another way to introduce also the the book readings and that actually has been quite successful so you know a sometimes a years writing is very dense so we cut that out for you in different pieces a little bit more digestible form and i think it kind of is a win win in the end and also most importantly i really want you to get to know attilio and this is a reason why we've created. Everybody needs a bit of because it is you know with him that we are forging ahead of between two national academy and i hope you get to meet him in person. He is the most generous soul and on in. I think italian wine world in terms of sharing his wealth of knowledge on. So thank you again for following us. Please continue to listen and make any comments suggestions industry suggestions and any questions. You may have on italian wind. Podcast continue to listen to us on soundcloud on spotify. 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Thursday, September 3, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Monitor daily podcast it's Thursday. September. Third. Thanks for joining US I'm Eve about glacken. Roberts. This Summer Jessica Mackenzie and her boyfriend set off on a backpacking trip with a different kind of scenery New York, city skyscrapers supplanted mountains, gushing hotel shower, replaced waterfalls, and polluted federal superfund site revealed some urban wildlife to the pair. Facing travel restrictions due to the pandemic adventures this year have been put on hold for many people, but some have found innovative ways to adapt. I wondered Ms Mackenzie a journalist rights for backpacker DOT COM. What would happen if I took the heart the advice to recreate right in my backyard. The track, she designed traversed all five boroughs of New York entirely on foot save for the ferry the Staten Island during the couples nearly forty mile two day hike. They met another backpacker stymied by the pandemic. A man who had been set to walk the famous Camino Santiago in Spain. In place of his original plan, he was walking streets of Queens with the backpack full of books. Not, everyone's a city adventures have been. So grand many city dwellers have been exploring new parks or discovering other nooks and crannies in their neighborhoods that they never knew existed in general. We're just slowing down and not saying little things more as wanderlust has struck this year it's also drawn out a creativity in many backyard adventurers. Now today's stories. A. Our first story in Kenosha Mr Biden Supporters Express a range of concerns from Longtime Democrats frustrated by recurring violence to younger progressives more concerned about root causes satisfying them all may not be easy. Former. Vice President Joe Biden took a strong stance this week against protests related violence in cities from Portland Oregon to Kenosha Wisconsin where he paid a visit Thursday two days after President Donald Trump came to survey the damage express support for law enforcement. But it remains to be seen whether Mr Biden's visit will reassure moderate white voters who have been jarred by months of sporadic unrest, and you could ultimately tip the election in critical battleground states like Wisconsin. Polls show Mr Biden holds a seven point lead on average nationwide but the Biden campaign is clearly concerned about the potential for this issue fracture the Democrats coalition of suburban moderates. Minorities, and urban progressives. As president trump cast himself as the quote law and order candidate Mr. Vitamin is trying to thread about needle by announcing looting and violence without undermining his bona fides. Ryan Racial Justice and systematic change says Rita Kirk oppressor and political communications experts at southern Methodist University Biden's been forceful about rejecting violence and all forms, and that's good and it's different from trump. What he hasn't done is distinguish his plan of action. This story was reported by Christie Case Bryant and story Hinckley and Kenosha Wisconsin for the Monitor. Foreign Policy is not grabbing the US presidential election headlines, but the next administration's China policy will have major repercussions economic and political for the rest of the world. Foreign policy may not be at the front of most American voters minds but a lot is at stake for the rest of the world and the US presidential election. Key is how Washington will meet the challenge posed by an increasingly powerful autocrat and assertive. China. A lot of other countries. Especially, US allies will take their cue from the next president. President. Donald Trump would likely maintain his bilateral mano a Mano with Chinese leader Chen Pin trained to squeeze more concessions out of him. Joe Biden would be more likely to take a multilateral approach in the belief that Washington can exert more pressure in concert with international partners. Managing, the rivalry with Beijing will be dauntingly difficult given China's increasing economic climate and Mr. Cheese. This regard for Western concerns over human rights or the future of Hong Kong. Which of the two candidates policies would be more successful is still a matter of partisan debate. The rest of the world will be watching the outcome. This story reported by Ned Tim, Co, and London for the Monitor. Learn from example in its global competition with China the rules heavy US often finds itself at a competitive disadvantage, which explains as it moves the Saudis the value of the UAE's by the Book Nuclear Power Plant. With, its first civilian nuclear power plant coming online last month. The United Arab Emirates has become the first and a line of fossil fuel rich Arab states scrambling to go nuclear. The US says, nuclear energy is critical to lowering its dependency on gas and oil and its nuclear cooperation agreement with the United States has been hailed as the quote gold standard. Yet concerns remain over nuclear proliferation and the potential for an arms race in a region wracked by divisions. Perhaps of most concern to the US is it's opaque ally Seventy Arabia, which says, it plans to build sixteen nuclear reactors across the country by twenty forty. Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman has vowed to pursue a nuclear weapon. Should Iran do the same? The country insists it has a sovereign right to mind its own uranium and China. which is helping do so is wooing Riyadh with low cost, nuclear technology and few proliferation strings attached. Says a State Department official. We are keenly aware of the fact that other governments specifically the Russians and Chinese use their lower non-proliferation standards. As an economic advantage. The message we are providing is who do you want to be partners with? This story was reported by Taylor luck for the Monitor. The concept of, opening up. Old Mansions to the public is familiar in the West. But in Russia it is a new idea. One Russian banker is running with it and giving Russians a chance to experience. Before Investment Banker Sergei Vasiliev bought it. The Correction Palace was just one of the thousands of abandoned the critic estates decaying and Russia. Though. The thirty two thousand Square Foot Palace had served as a psychiatric institution during the Soviet era it was a far cry from its former nineteenth century glory. Mr Vasilyev decided to fix that working from archival materials like letters and diaries of people who attended parties at the palace in its heyday and making a lot of educated guesses. He has restored dozens of rooms, corridors and the grand staircase to their former appearance. Moreover, he has opened up to the Russian public thousands of whom have been coming during the past couple of years mainly in day trips from Moscow some one hundred miles to the east. Says Vedeno Razov, a blogger and photographer who documents pre revolutionary noblest states and Russia. You can't just call this a restored estate. He didn't build a fence around it but opened it for people to come and experience a piece of history and you're up there are places like this old castles and estates that have found new public purpose but this as a whole new thing in Russia. This story was reported by Fred we're and step in North Korea Volvo. Russia for the Monitor. Their little can replace the collective laugh or gas in a theater as a movie unfolds. But how might that experience be evolving with streaming splintering our attention and a pandemic closing cinema doors? feeders in the US are hoping that Tenet a science fiction thriller opening on Thursday. We'll remind viewers that has cinematic spectacle is best viewed on the largest screen. Possible. The public stripped away from feeders may last past the pandemic and its closure of gathering places pop culture experts say. Custom to Hollywood releasing films straight to streaming services and video-on-demand audiences may encourage studios the sometimes bypass cinemas altogether. Well, this feels like a further erosion of shared cultural experience experts say that thanks technology physical proximity isn't the only means of sharing communal experiences. They champion the variety and creativity sparked by multiple platforms. Says Timothy Burke a cultural historian at Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania We have discovered that are creative possibilities as a nation as a society and the world are so vast that the future from that sense looks bright. We are not going to run out of things worth seeing together and apart. This story reported by Stephen Humphries and Boston for the Monitor. Now Commentary on privacy concerns from the monitors at board. Apple and Google planned to embed software and smartphones that would track the spread of covid nineteen from person to person. The basic approach is not new personal data collection has been key to contain the pandemic and a few places yet even as covert nineteen spurs the gathering of more personal data, it is running into a growing concern over privacy while phone users can choose to opt in to these new data collection programs. What happens to that data once the pandemic is over will governments or tech companies Alita or will it be stored and used either to monitor citizens or to monetize it for profit? One emerging trend in both law and tech design gives people greater control over their data. It isn't just about restraining how companies and governments use personal information. Privacy is also a condition of personal conduct more than a decade after social media and smartphones enabled us to make our private lives public commodities. We may be learning that the best privacy protection in the digital, as well as mental and physical spaces where we reside is each person's capacity for self governance. That's a wrap for the news. You can find the full length versions of these stories in today's issue or at CS monitor dot com slash daily. Thanks for joining US come back tomorrow we'll have a delightful tale of adventure amid pandemic via an RV named Mabel. Sometimes big issues such as racism can feel too intimidating to face. But today's Christian Science. Spiritual perspective contributor recommends we each play apart through prayer by meeting every temptation to feel inferior or superior to someone else with the powerful recognition of everyone's identity as a child of God. You can find the column in today's issue or at CS MONITOR DOT com slash daily. We WanNA. Give a quick thanks to our staff including today's audio production team Jeff. And No Robertson. This podcast is produced by the Christian Science Monitor Copyright Twenty Twenty.
Ep. 538 #everybodyneedsabitofscienza | Lan Liu once again!
"Warning warning these contains information language. These podcast containing formula showing italian changing italian wine. Podcast gene gene with italian wine people. Welcome to the special. Everybody needs a bit of shensi addition of the italian wine podcasts. His the premise vinitaly international academy community members. Send us their questions via chief scientist professor at the ocean so we record his officers and st became tries to keep him in line. Sometimes it works. thank you for. Welcome to podcasts. Everybody my name is stevie kim. I'm here with professor atilla. Shane and this is the segment where we call it. Everybody needs to beat up shantha where we get to ask some very geeky questions to professor. Shane son and today's question is about volcanic soil. This is actually right allie. 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I think design associates monzo case the like the tutelage chink dot ibm coming cha ching money. So i know it's been a long journey. We won't do some media. It's been a long journey. we did. This is the five episode series of the principal soil types in too late. And i think it's been a great run. It's been a bit intense. But i think very worthwhile if you would like to understand geology of italian wine types we from from north to south those those were three episodes but we had an introductory episode and this is the volcanic soil edition. So that's it for now. Go get a drink at whatever while counting vine and join us next time. It's tying wine podcasts on soundcloud or wherever you get your podcast and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram. He talion wine podcast on twitter. However it's been strange italian wine podcast just because we can fit everything in and of course. I'm tiktok mama jumbo shan't stay with us and twenty twenty. One will be a lot of fine tune. 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Thursday, November 21, 2019 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Welcome to the Monir daily podcast. It's Thursday November twenty first. Thanks for joining us. I'm even talking Huaxi Robertson. Actually bence knows what. It's like to want a doll. That looks like her as someone who uses a prosthesis this growing up the only way my Barbie looked like me was if i broke her leg off. She told Chaos de que news. I can't imagine what having one with a prosthetic leg. I would've done for my self esteem back then earlier this year. Toy Company Mattel debuted a Barbie doll with prosthetic leg and another with a wheelchair. Last last Friday Ms Benz donated nearly six hundred such dolls to a Saint Louis Children's hospital her reasoning to give patients a gift. That would meet them where they are. Barbie which turned sixty this year has long been criticized for setting unattainable beauty standards for young girls but as more parents have sought out toys they can connect with and that support the values they want to instill in their children. Barbie has had to change our goal was to really celebrate all type of beauty. Evelyn Masako head of the Barbie Brandon. 2016 told Time magazine when the company released dolls with different body shapes the previous year Mattel debuted twenty-three ethnically diverse barbies. Connor Maine a patient. Who received a doll for Ms Benz? said he's going to give it to his sister. It can give an idea to my sister that no one. What is the same and everyone is unique? He said now to our handpick stories exploring the role of women in the impeachment hearings hearings where Ukraine allegiances may soon lie and a shift in Georgia's environmental regulation approach our first story one year after the deadly Campfire threaten to Wipe Paradise California off the map. The town's police chief is helping to restore store the bonds of the community. Eric ran both had fifty one days. Settle into the role of police. Chief of Paradise California before the town ceased to exist. I the campfire claimed the lives of eighty five. People destroyed more than fourteen thousand homes and forced the towns twenty seven thousand residents to flee the blaze incinerated ninety percent of the housing stock more than five hundred businesses and the unseen bonds community recovering from the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in state. History presented an existential crisis from Mr Ryan bold and his department. How do you patrol the town? And that is no longer there following the disaster. The role of his officers shifted from typical law enforcers through something akin to shepherds in uniform perform the tended shocked residents returning to a town is ravaged their emotions. There's a bigger emphasis on making deeper connections since with people. Mr Ryan Bolts says. He instructs his officers to patrol paradise in a manner that could be dubbed. Stop and chat. As they drive through nearly-deserted he deserted neighborhoods. The bonds are being strengthened. Because they know they're not going through this alone he says I feel like the future does look brighter. This story first reported by Martin Twos and Paradise California for the Monitor from one striking aspect aspect of the impeachment. Hearings is how they've showcase the experience and intellect of professional women regardless of the political outcome advocates. Say That's significant. When top Russia expert Funeral Hill appeared before the house? Intelligence Committee Thursday. She became the latest in a series of powerful professional women who who have emerged as major figures in the impeachment investigation into president. Donald Trump from veterans civil servants to outspoken lawmakers women have held the prominence that stands apart from other high profile congressional hearings in part because their roles have had nothing to do with their gender women. We're vital and breaking the Watergate scandal but few ever saw national recognition fort. They were far more visible during the Clinton impeachment and the Supreme Cream Court. Confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas and Brad Kavanagh but many had to wrestle with stereotypes of victimhood. The contrast is all the more for notable because women have been among the president's loudest critics as well as his strongest defenders it has been striking observers. Say to see women and calmly showcasing their expertise and savvy and the high stakes affair that isn't centered on gender. It's not a metoo situation. It's something something constitutional says Betsy Fisher Martin. Executive Director of the women and Politics Institute an American University. We see these smart powerful powerful articulate women on both sides of the aisle talking about their professional insights. She says this story were supported by Jessica and does a in story Hinckley in Washington for the Monitor. Ukraine has been cited impeachment hearings as a critical. US ally why but it's industry ailing with the West showing little interest in helping China is stepping in and that could shift Ukraine's allegiances even as U s diplomats described the importance of Ukraine as an ally and impeachment hearings in Washington. This week the former Soviet state May. AP's getting pulled back into an eastern orbit as China buys up critical Ukrainian industry according to the National Bank of Ukraine China. This year it became the country's single largest trading partner. China is currently planning to invest up to seven billion dollars and Ukrainian infrastructure. But it's the possibility that the crown jewels of Ukraine's former Soviet military industry may fall into Chinese hands that has belatedly set a few. US alarm bells ringing around. Four hundred of Ukraine's military industrial units some with sensitive technology have languished since the end of strategic economic relations with Russia. Chinese investment has become important for Ukraine. Because frankly there is no other investment to speak of says Vedeno Kerosene AF- director of the Institute of Global Strategies and give the US and other Western countries have their own military industries and aren't interested in helping US preserve our own. It's only the Chinese who need our engine know-how and other technologies he says. This story supported by Fred. We're in Moscow. The Monitor should public health be weighed against support port for jobs and businesses in Covington Georgia. The choice was made clear with mounting evidence of toxic emissions by one medical tech plant. The company said it's toxic gas emissions. Were within legal limits and the state took its word then citizens got involved and started testing. The Harry themselves prompting the city to do the same. That's when Georgia officials moved to shudder than medical sterilization plant for a week and some ways weighs the decision runs. Headlong against the deregulatory mood in Washington were the Environmental Protection Agency has spent the last three years rolling back pollution Aleutian controls and the name of business friendly deregulation yet. The situation in Georgia highlights counter-current the same values that lead many any voters here to support president. Donald Trump are merging with the dynamics of an American deep south grown increasingly wealthy politically diverse and sensitive life to environmental dangers. The government's muscular response suggests to some recognition not just the potential voter backlash but ethical duty. We are now detecting a little bit of shift and that attitude that they are now actually going to do something to protect. Georgians says one activist. At least I have not felt hopeless about it. This story reported by Patrick Johnson and Covington Georgia for the Monitor. What does it take to counter? Cynicism a new movie explores the effect Fred. Rogers has on a J. journalist. A transformative experience that film critic Peter Rainer says extends to the audience to it's about the difficult passage from dark to light and the transcendence. That takes you there. He writes find the full review in today's issue or at sea US monitor dot com slash daily. Now commentary on twenty nine whistle blowers from the Monitor's editorial board Congress has yet to determine the guilt or innocence of President Donald Trump over his alleged alleged wrong behavior with Ukraine yet. One thing is sure the world has witnessed the powerful impact of a whistle blower calling out his or her boss on September. Eighteenth an unnamed official in an intelligence agency blew the whistle on Mr Trump over a July phone call with Ukrainian president setting in motion the impeachment each mint probe by the house. The impact of this complaint may go far beyond determining the president's future Ukraine in fact approved. Its own whistle blower law all last week in October. The European Parliament approved a directive to protect employees who report crime corruption and public health dangers from retaliation when historians Iran's look back on two thousand nineteen. They may decide that the world crossed the threshold in making it safe for individuals to speak out about wrongdoing acts of integrity. You should not be acts of courage. They should simply be normal. That's a wrap for the news. You can find the full length versions of these stories in today's issue or at CS monitor dot com slash daily. Thanks for joining us. Come back tomorrow. We'll look at the underlying frustrations and persistence fuelling doctors strikes in Zimbabwe. Today's Christian Science Spiritual Perspective Column Addresses. How losing a loved one is never easy but the columnist writes getting to know God as Infinite Life and love brings the assurance that life can never truly be lost? You can find it in today's issue or at CS MONITOR DOT com slash daily. We WanNa give a quick thanks to our staff. Including today's audio. Production Team Lindsey McGinnis Samantha Lane purpose and Jeff Burton. This podcast is produced by the Christian. Science Monitor Copyright Twenty nineteen.
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"It's not uncommon to hear acknowledgement that there are many struggles involved in being a black man in America. What is uncommon is acknowledging that by definition all human struggles impact, mental health depression, trauma, Zayed's strength growth. These outcomes are often precipitated or at the least and fluence by individuals life struggles in yet, it is difficult to find conversation dedicated to examining the lived experience of black men and connecting these experience with emotional functioning. These conversations are attended to be exploratory and thought provoking, and while it is hoped that some will find them ailing they are not intended to be there -peutic in the clinical sense. Even when guests are trained, clinicians their participation represents their live experiences in their personal and professional lives. And does not constitute therapy. Welcome to the emotional lives of black men podcasts episode. I sat down with Dr. That the remarks oh is a first generation Jerian American father. But a pass decade he has made his home in East Bay, which he shares with his daughter. Thank you for joining us today for this episode of like to start off by axiom. What is your personal cultural in ethnic identification, thanking my call I guess his life? I guess tell you about it as opposed to tighter desire, please exactly my parents on both sides Nigerian. And so I grew up as a nature. Coacher in a way of life and value system. And then back to the US, you know, hours a teenager as of Louis spilt adults, and we most of relief formative life, you know, he the US now very different from what I was as a team going on my parents, watch wise in ways, I don't know if the measuring American on American from the area. It's very tough to save really. And it's also complicated that, you know, being here also have had to new ways Dax on a sit decide that African American, you know, by Defoe heads us, it that's in times of on the way and seen by others and in times of our represents myself away. And also the Petit's that open to me had to embrace finis. It that's in a lotta ways at this point. You know, I tell people again to degree more American than Julian in many ways lot of my values. Gnomes kind of Stu based on by Magen operated. Many ways I think is also against tough because when I say values stable community for elders and having closed ties deal family extended. Otherwise, you know, I see that known as if bets existence black American experience, you know, but just as the whole American experience, which is another pottery, it's just the general American experience. Is still a little difference. I think it has a slightly different value system away from what I was used to you know. And so yeah, all layers, you know, the Nigerian value system also has been a jury also grew up Muslim environments being mostly as well. We know that to Detroit Lions also. It's almost like milk imports at his mind where I'm remarried. I am whistling. Jane American all event, what was your perception of being a black man in America before union family immigrated my perception was the distance because elaborate, you know, we are fortunately limited to the main media. She was us. No. No. And so my perception was of African Americans, you know, general struggling struggling from sushi onomic against discrimination that kind of situation. And so my view going up Pino know periods where the kids so I did have little bit exposure. But still felt the majority African Americans were struggling times associate Nommik opportunities disparities. Not saying though, you know, still based on all media is still will probably know. Okay. On minute. We were intensive economic wise, even though that was wide disparity. US our has that change living. I've come to see. In a letter ways as actually was disparities was than actually magin. I think it's also colored by the fact that health professional, and so we need to look at it from a healthcare stand on compared to the places in the wall evening, Nigeria, you know, and the Moylan about it's, you know, the mall London. It is how a lot of the experiences African American, you know, in America health, here is bad even worse than as in Contes major came form. He's quite shocking. You know, think of it's in the grand scheme of things that we know. And the fact that he doesn't seems to be ignored, you know, and it's kind of shocking too because coming from anywhere else around the world. You know, that's those suggest that reality difference. It's asking Americans generators -ociety what cultural similarities or differences here versus Nigeria regards to mental health. I think in other ways, I mean, traditionally back whole Maine's health, you'll Ness was seen as from spirituel than for Dino. That's you are fluted was kind of like cursed in a way. And so as a whole was stigmatized in the family felt they had to keep secrets, you know. And so it wasn't. So even with, you know, western medicine access things like that. It's still something that families rather keep secrets are not talking. Amounts. He was seen as you know, either. You know, you accursed all emotion, mentally as a sign of weakness way, as opposed to this affliction happens of Jimmy be have, you know, most families with keep it on the own secretly tried to deal with, you know, without rebelling analogy Expos in it's what he was, you know, in a way people will now in the Morton times feel like something that okay, you can just fix this gathering that move on know as opposed to being something that might see know how many affect your life for the way, you lose. I think even now, you know, in might at experiences professional, I know work that dealt suits. So the tough to really speak on that seems like they feel a lot of difficulty with knives alleging that it's just a disease like physically disease, that's on has as opposed to result of you know. That behavior life choices or whatnot with despite his also, you know, there's not access to to begin with to kind of cheer you expect choose one of the things that in working on in my clinic organization now is this things could be it could be genetic to lash degree another busy involved. But there's a lot of stresses. No, all the disparities hold that kind of either is bate kind of trigger Hanover collapse. Leads today's mental health crisis. You know, and it's not addressed in any way, you know, or any time, I think some degree. So he comes off from the outside. Like, oh, yeah. You know, a lot of mental illness that is just something that happens without looking at the fact that the let of society factors actually propagate that more than it should be. What are your thoughts on blackmail, the person mental? I think there is such a strong stigma about it's. So I don't see will talking about it or even knowledge and sell and has the problem. No, I this. She ate still get assuming that is to deal with it of the woods yet through IDs. And dad personally affected meets you. You know in times of feeling that I had to just deal with everything on my own. And you know, you're not. Finishes because no managing the world was onto need to fix it. You know, and it's taking you know, you to get to the point where it seems dire. Or just can't seem to to function, you know, before kind of realize when I go to the point that, you know, we doesn't mean we call. It's okay. You know that sometimes you just need to get help. And that's very tough though, step to get back knowledge in being able to do that. Because at least I felt kind of society pressuring away. That's known. You should be strong issues handle never comes to you. How would you describe your motion to I think the main thing I mean, some kind of a bringing in culture was kind of kind of self is in a way, you know, that he can make do struggled through and find a way to get to in a way, you know, which to some degree also goes walks against you because they seek the help you need away. And after I was able to seek the help realize that you know, with that kind of green being actually they have the motion twos to deal with stuff. Was either something happened? I would just be narrates all just pretended. They happen at all. And that was one approach to another take the opposite reaches get angry guesses ago react to it now. And so no, I definitely didn't have its emotion tools at all to deal with stresses. How has your mental Hoberman affected by by cultural? Socialization hasn't made the difference. Frankly, in my percents beings, hasn't really. Because even more. So I think in America that many places still has a very Machu must related culture Hanover message. So it actually hasn't helped actually hinted me more ruin out of expected. Yeah. So how would you describe your mentality towards assimilation? I think it's one of those woods that it depends on how you translate it could have positive and negative coronations. 'cause I mean, I feel possessing Latian kind of meaning as when a good no actum behave like us. When are you gonna stop being at liar? You know, you know, and that xerri strong negative connotation, I take to it. You know? So I think it was relation more in. When you go see like, you said, you're comfortable with in this new environmental in. You know, he doesn't mean you have to assist the values or their lifestyles, really how you said within that you can coexist with other people and how those people able to quit this year west at your values depresses as opposed to trying to make uniform within. I think. Adjusted and transforms leaving the US, I wouldn't call it a simulation. You know? This is really does. I feel in many ways like an outsider who ever because you know, I've as by default had to set that a minority business, call African American, you know, but my experience to interacting with African Americans is still will still difference than still viewed defintely from outside African American even when interact with enough the American community to some degrees. I mean made the is the difference. But when I meet elsewhere or in Texas, you know, he was to our still different from them. And that was always obvious to me, many ways Illinois in college, you know, in terms of interactions. I had when it came to dated, for instance, that was feeling very distinction between the Africa in America's was African American was your perception of the relationship between African Americans and black numbers. I think it's still little strain. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think we are not as tubes is timely away. Stand in the middle are really aware of each other in a lot of ways because I think so much of perceptions as do Hala by the media. And so if you're Negeria, Nigeria, you know, and you're listening to the media social media, everything you get very watt, you of what Americans US ally, and that they just struggling or indicate unemployed crime Redon neighborhoods that sits or you see all the athletes permission kind of, you know, and when you're here in the US look at the geo that countries all you're seeing the needy as have civil they have fought installation. You know, they often edges again, go to the need hell that kind of extreme. That's all you're seeing you know. And so it's very walk view that we're getting a each other ways that I think that kind of prevent so Suomi allies in that we actually have a lot of common values and interests than that, you know, some of the things actually succeed unable to do. Well, you know, whatever to see that at all. Because really college so much by or were getting access to commission is what approaches you can be employed towards building integrated black community. I think one is exposure is explicit selves to actually what the culture is. What is the everyday life? What is the spectral experiences? We have no starting from young g now telling them, okay? This is Africa, you know, actually continents. You know, we are tons of countries in different cultures. You know, different parts Vedeno. This is what kind of these do just like we have here. They have similar things. You know, what you see on the news? You know, should other parts of Africa two different countries and have been gets annoyed to go to school. You know, they don't anything about Africa were exactly so they have nothing. No knowledge about Africa. You know, even if example reading books, you know, the read books, you know, Africa African tales days with no education, even as the growing up us to what it's like, you know. And so it's I I think that's where we start for me is kind of exposing people to the spectrum disease that people have Africans. You know? No, I remember, you know, when instead it in college as a teenager working in the cafeteria with African Americans of genie as not one of them now window in the cafeteria, our still viewed as enough America me outside, you know. And I remember talking to one of the staff lady MRs rates small towns taxes awake. I want my Coco's asking, you know, it's not true that you guys have wild animals. You can see just around you every day. And I was like no ju just. And that was far into her G event. Oh, that's not how it is. This was an adult. See? No this kid. And so I think he had tried to expose from the young age at embrace it because also sometimes CD's that must gay Merican. You African no says a huge disconnect, you know, not quite the same, you know, a different members planes, and so kind of education people there had been brace. The fact that they have African heritage. I think just kind of be a good starts to break divide. Manuals thanking me for giving us your time. Thank you for joining us who deserves welcome. Thanks. The purpose of this podcast is to open dialogues on a variety of topics pertaining to black males in mental health, the podcast is not a substitute for mental health treatment. Please visit our website for links to mental health resources. Thank you for listening to the emotional lives of black men podcast subscribe to our podcast on itunes or Google play.
From socialite to scammer: Meet Anna Delvey (Pt.1)
"Twenty eight year old woman enters a federal courtroom in New York City. Her mousy brown hair is slightly. Frazee parted down the middle and her eyes are framed and overwhelmingly large black classes from the designer. Selene they match perfectly the black choker around her neck and her black dress. The only out of place accessory is a set of silver metal handcuffs shackling the woman's wrists. Uh she takes place at the defendant's table ready to face down a slate of charges. Four counts of theft of services. Four counts of Grand Larceny and the two counts of attempted Grand Larceny. When her lawyer Todd Spodek begins his opening statement he invokes an old adage about New York City made famous by none other other than Frank Sinatra? If I can make it there I'll make it anywhere. Spoke speaks of his client Anna Delhvi as possessing moxie he. He explains how she quote created the life that she wanted for herself. I know is not content with being a spectator. But she wanted to be a participant antigen wait for opportunities and created opportunities. Now we can all relate to that the lawyer says there's a little bit of Anna in all us. Everyone lies a little this illegal tender season two. I'm Katie crasnick. So how did this young woman with an affinity for designer clothes an in an appetite for success and up on the wrong side of the law. You could trace it back to Anna's time at eleven Howard a Boutique Hotel in Soho One. One of New York's trendiest and priciest neighborhoods and took up residence here starting in early. Two thousand seventeen if you knew Anna during this time you you likely spend a lot of time within the walls of eleven Howard becoming familiar not only with the hotel staff but also with Anna's hotel room it was small It was not a sweet. It was their space for a bed a very small table. She had a rolling rack and then she filled it with stuff. There is just like black clothing everywhere boxes a a lot of Meta Meta portait beauty supplies like powders and weird like tonics exist and some workout equipment. I mean this girl obviously had impulse issues and a spending problem so I think she constantly was online shopping. I don't know how I don't know where that money came But it was very cluttered. It was just full of stuff but then again. I'd never really been in a hotel room where somebody was living long-term so kind of made sense to me. It's not how well I would have chosen to live. But that's just part of her lifestyle. That's Rachel deloche Williams. She was a photo editor Vanity Fair when she and ANA originally really met in February. Two Thousand Sixteen I. I met Anna out one night middle of the week. February doesn't sixteen kind of that that part of the year when you're coming out of your winter cocoon and you're in the mood to go out and maybe season people so I was out with them. Some girls I knew who mostly worked in the fashion industry and Anna already knew. Oh the girls in that group that I knew but I haven't met her before she arrived kind of late in the night. We were downstairs sitting in a lounge Just having some drinks and I remember her being slightly hard to place. She had an accent that I didn't know where she came from I remember her being insertive. Slow to warm up first. And then kind of Chatty Anna's untraceable accent was the product of her jet setting lifestyle which also produce a taste for luxury as evidenced by her choice of clothing hotels and restaurants. She also became very well connected which bode well for projects. She was hoping to launch. She came to the states with a big plan and few dreams sidled with ambition and confidence. Anna embarked worked on a mission to create a life and lifestyle it would attract the envy of her peers. The attention of the people she aspired to be like and eventually the watchful gaze of the authorities I heard from her and then also from other people that she had a trust fund and the reason she was in New York is because she was working hard to create eight. Something called the Anna Delvina Foundation. which was her idea for this space? That was going to have restaurants and bars and a members. Only Club. Rachel Rachel could see firsthand the work that Anna was putting in to create this club. Many have likened the foundations exclusively to that of Soho House a hotel. Oh and members only club that began in London Soho neighborhood in the early nineties it trades in exclusivity with an annual membership price. Tag around two thousand dollars. The brochure for the foundation boasts a dynamic visual arts center dedicated to contemporary art. It would be housed in a forty five thousand square. Where foot building located on Park Avenue? People come here and they want to do things and some are more successful than others. You know I admired that someone with the kind of wealth while she pretended into have with so motivated. Because I think sometimes with like second-generation third-generation whatever wealth. There's a tendency may be a little lazy unless it just depends on how you're raised but I admired that someone with her privilege or whatever you WANNA call. It was working hard. You'll notice. Rachel speaks warily. About Anna's wealth and privilege by all accounts announce Anna Delvina was the heiress her family's fortune which her father had built as an oil baron or was it a solar panel empire. Maybe he was a diplomat Matt. Exactly how he got. That money was still a question. She was very vague. She said something about a grandfather who like maybe that's where the wealth wealth game but he died when her mom was young and I like her. The way she talked about her family was so different from the way that I am with my family so I yeah I couldn't tell if like it was like sensitive because she didn't it wasn't happy it was like she wasn't close to her parents. They had more of a business relationship. And then I heard that our dad was a Russian billionaire who brought oil from Russia to Germany and just a bunch of different stories that no team store is over and over again. He was so consistent in her storytelling. I think that's how how the contract to the date until she got caught. But this is New York City. It's not unheard of for someone to use their families. Wealth is to find a long shot passion project. It's arguably just as common to hide inherited affluence from your friends acquaintances or or potential business partners and created the perfect cocktail for success. She stood out not because of her wealth privilege or passion but because she had the a unique combination of all three alongside some unchecked confidence. It was this combination that landed delvin rooms with investment bankers and celebrities liberties real estate developers and socialites alike. She allegedly rubbed elbows with MacAulay. Culkin and Martin Shkreli among other notables. But while some reports on a social of out to seem larger than life those who knew her say she spent most of her time planning a networking not partying and boozing thing. She was really good at like working. Those sort of network connections but that doesn't mean any of them went very deep from the outside. It might seem like a foregone conclusion. Anna was not all that she meters out to be. Rachel said that she bought into the lies on a pedal mostly because she wanted to help her. It felt safe. I didn't think she was asking asking anything of me. But my time you know I enjoyed her company. I thought she was. There were enough positives that I made a decision to to to stick it out and train can help us through. What seemed like a hard time in her life At at points you could actually did seem fairly depressed you know. I'm sure it wasn't an easy secret to be carrying around especially when you're damaging the only positive relationships you have in your life I don't think she relished and that you know so who was added. Lv really to understand how this young I am. Vicious woman found herself in federal court on Grand Larceny charges. Let me I tell you where she came from. Anna was born Anna Sarokin on January twenty third nineteen ninety-one in Soviet Russia in a suburb of Moscow in the town where she was born was established around one thousand nine hundred a settlement next to a nearby train station the area today as a manufacturing hub of sorts with warehouses materials production plants. It presents much more grit and grind than Glitz and Glamour. The SAROKIN gins moved to Germany in two thousand seven. The family's patriarch. Vedeno name was a truck driver and the family's relocation was reportedly due to to his job as she matriculated Anna was accepted into central Saint Martins college in London. The prestigious art school boasts a long list of notable bowl alumni including asleep fashion designers. John Galliano ZAC posen. Stella McCartney an Alexander McQueen came out of turn down her acceptance and decided instead to jump start a career in fashion herself. She left behind her family name. Adopting opting this surname Delhvi and she moved to Paris establishing herself with the French art and Culture magazine Purple as an intern. She reportedly became close with the publication's editor in chief Oliver Zome and soon she became a fixture among the see and be seen crowd among the fashion in our community community by the mid. Two Thousand Tens Anna had finally made her way to the US to New York. Of course course it wasn't until around two thousand sixteen that Anna beyond lay the groundwork for what she hoped would become a seminal fixture in the New York art scene. The Anna Calvi Foundation would not only be her entry into philanthropy and entrepreneurship but it would also serve as a means to elevate her personal no brand. According to New York magazine's the cut delhvi followed the advice of a friend and reached out to Joel Cohen and a partner at Gibson Dunn to help solicit financial firms for backing. He ended up referring to a colleague. Andy Lands who worked to get in touch with city National Bank and Fortress Investment Group on behalf of Atta she would need upwards of twenty million dollars for for the project. CNB denied her loan request but fortress was willing to work with the young woman fortress asked Lv for one hundred thousand dollars as a due diligence. Check somehow she was able to secure it through a second smaller loan requests to C. N. B.. She withdrew the hundred grand extended and turned it over the fortress as a liquid liability. The firm reportedly sent reps to Switzerland to Confirm Anna's Assets Aka. Does this woman actually have the money. She claims to have with her finances under the microscope. Anna withdrew her loan application. At that point she also deposited fifty five thousand dollars to a Citibank account that was used for personal expenses. According to the the cut in April of two thousand seventeen quote she deposited one hundred sixty thousand dollars worth of bad checks into that same account managing to withdraw seventy thousand dollars before they were returned. That's how she paid off her hotel bills at eleven Howard and I had been staying at the hotel for months at this point but never put a credit card on file. Her bill was more than thirty thousand dollars dollars before hotel management had asked one of its employees who had become friendly with China to get her to pay off the debt. Nefertari Davis she goes by NEFF. Was One of Anna's closest closest confidants at this time other than Rachel. A concierge at eleven Howard neff noticed Anna's comings and goings as she was one of the hotels. Few long-term long term residents and the pair became fast friends around February of two thousand seventeen. Their friendship was central to the cut story. That detailed Anna's gifting stems on instagram. Hoping to gain some insight on her friendship with Anna she had to decline due to a contractual obligation with net afflicts. You see much like Billy McFarland and the fire fest and a story had captured the attention of Hollywood Shonda rhimes is producing in this series for net flicks and Lena Dunham reportedly has something in the works at Hbo. So neff couldn't talk. Neither could most of the other people who knew Anna during this time I would continue to find this out through emails turning down interview requests. What neff did tell me though? or at least she hinted data with some pointed language and her Ri- use of Emoji and gifts was that she is not fond of Rachel arguably the only other person person who was welcomed to share an Anna's mysterious life naff wrote to me you can always ask Rachel. Ll I'm sure she'll eat it up. She followed up to say quote. No one really spoke to Anna except me L. O. L.. She was very private. I bet that's probably why only Rachel is speaking. She's the only one that needs the media attention. Rachel didn't offer much when asked about enough. I thought was really like social. Charming Smiley She seemed like a kind of go-getter like she worked. Hard I I liked everybody. That worked motel. I definitely don't want to speak to anyone else's intentions. I wish neff well. I think this is really weird. Good experience for anyone who have gone and everybody comes out of it with different different reflections. Different takeaways different ways to react. You know I I would caution anybody who who is close to you know. She is a sociopath. I don't think she is capable of profoundly connecting to other the people in her life for carrying about them But that's you know. That's that's other people's decision And I don't I I really don't feel competitive about about the space. I did my best I you know. I wrote the book I've said my piece I've tried and tried to explore it as unflinchingly and honestly and fully as I can and I will continue to learn from that but I also look forward to moving on from here so anyone else who wants to do their own different paths. I wish them well. Yeah in her book. My friend Anna Rachel does shed some light on how Anna spoke about neff particularly in the lead up to to a trip to Marrakesh. That Anna had planned. Anna wanted to film a documentary on the trip and would employ her friends help and producing it. neff would direct the dock doc. She'd only been working at the hotel as a means to gain financial security while pursuing a career in the film industry. She had tweeted her excitement to be working on the project. Saying I'm going to Morocco and a few weeks to direct a film two years ago. I was a manager at starbucks. You can't tell me. God Dot isn't real. Anna didn't like that. She texted Rachel to say quote. She seems like she works hard. But this psychotic desire to show off is such a turnoff for me. neff wrote to me directly on Instagram. She said the things said about me. Rachel's Book Aren't true and it sucks that I can't go any further but I will be able to speak on that and other things soon. Thanks for contacting me as the trip grew nearer it was now late. Spring in two thousand seventeen. NEFF had to back out since she wouldn't be able to stay for the entire week. The final roll call ended up being only Anna. Rachel Rachel Casey Duke. Who was a celebrity fitness instructor and had been taking classes with and Rachel's friend videographer named Jesse Hawk? Doc and I had planned a trip to the time line during which she needed to leave the US to reset her ESTA visa. It fit into Rachel schedule as well since she had planned to take some time to travel around a work trip to Paris. What Rachel didn't know was that she had just up for the most expensive trip she would ever take take in our next episode? Rachel tells the story. Let's enough alarm bells. Because I think the hotel thought we are fleeing and the payment like the the credit card Anna had given them before we arrived. Didn't work I go to my bedroom thinking you know Anna's out there dealing with the managers it's it's GonNa be fine. Her Bank should be open. This can be resolved. She just needs to focus on this being a serious problem. I come out from the room and just sitting there and the two minutes standing there any. Ns phone tone is on the table. She's not doing anything she's not using it. And the men turned to means idea of a card and she'll have to settle the final vote before she checks out and Anna's like can we just use your credit for now. I made myself think it was going to be okay. Because they didn't know what else to do illegal. Tender is made by Yahoo Finance at our studios in New York City. This episode was written and hosted by me. Katie crasnick illegal tender was created edited and produced by Alec. Sug thank you to Rachel deloche Williams. I am emily about Chetta's for contributing to this story Williams book my friend. Anna is available now from Simon and Schuster. Emily is the author of clearer era. Closer better how successful people see the world out February twenty fifth. If you enjoyed this podcast head over to apple podcasts and leave leave us a five star rating and review it further. Show until next time. Thank you for listening to illegal tender
Fan Favorite: 9 Very Important Facts about Bears
"Hither podcast listeners, it's mango here. And I don't know about you. But podcasts are a lifesaver when I'm in the car with my kiddos. It is such an easy way to get them to quiet up and feed their brains without relying on screens, and I've got to tell you about new show called forever ago. It's a brand new podcast from the team behind 'nother show, my kids love brains on and it is super fun forever ago answers real kid questions like who made the first sandwich or who invented shoes. All while getting your kids into history and even things like critical thinking, so get your whole family listening to forever ago already. You can find it on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Guess what mango? What's that? Will did you know there's a polar bear jail in Churchill Canada. So I do know that turtles considered the polar bear capital of the world. Mom has wind to make a pilgrimage there forever. And I'd also heard that people there leave their cars on locked in case you ever need to make a quick escape from a wayward bear. Why are you serious? You can actually just hop into stranger's car and take shelter, which is such a weird thing as I'm sure you can only get so much protection from a crazed bear in a car, but tell me about polar bear jail. Well, according to the Atlantic. It was built in nineteen eighty two and it has space for twenty eight fuzzy inmates. Basically, it's the town has so many bears wandering through officials have set up. A hotline for locals is just six seven five bear. So if you see a bear on the outskirts of town officials will come and try to scare it away with whatever they can use whether it's firecrackers or sometimes rubber bullets or paint balls. And generally, the bears get the hint. But if a bear decides he still wants to visit or worse, if a bear starts loitering in places that they shouldn't be that's often what juvenile bears will do. That's when the threat of jail time kicks in. So the bear patrol tries to lure these big delinquents into a giant cylindrical trap baited with seal meat, and when the cage snaps shut they truck them off to the polar bear jail, of course, sometimes the bears aren't hungry, and they just have to use tranquilizers. But this system actually works pretty well. So this doesn't sound like due process. How long do these bears get sense for generally, it actually is a few months, and they keep in there until the weather gets colder or the water freezes over, and then the older and hopefully wiser bears get sprung back to their old neighborhoods, and they'll hopefully turn over a new leaf in the process, but. That's just the first of nine facts on bears. We're covering today. So let's dive in. Hey, there podcast listeners welcomed the part time genius. I'm well Pearson. And as always I'm joined by my good friend, man, gosh, I took it her sitting behind the soundproof glass wearing too big lobster claws and a shirt that says what does it say it says sometimes I share sometimes? That's our pal and producer Tristan McNeil. What I loved that Tristan gets all dressed off as usual. But I think we forgot to tell them that they were changing the topic from lobsters. I'm so sorry trista. And we'll update the calendar soon. Just looks so sad pinching those lobster claws. Do you have? Do you have at least one lobster fact you could share to make him feel better. You know? I don't oh me either. Me either. I do have some bare facts. So I know you started with a story on a polar bears Vedeno, there's actually a bear known as a his Lieber. Sometimes it's also called a Grobler bear. And basically, it's a polar bear grizzly bear combination or hybrid and mostly the sort of breeding is occurred in captivity. It produces like a really beautiful white bear with light Brown patches. But Canadian hunters have been finding more and more of these pills Leigh's in the wild. And they think that the inner bear romance is trend will continue because of global warming though. Actually, the two bears have actually lived in overlapping. Territories for awhile. That's pretty interesting. I've never heard of either of those the Piz or the Grohl or beer. So what are these hybrid bears like in terms of their behaviors? Because those are two pretty different types of bears. Do we know much about them? Well, you know, some hybrids can't mate, but these are definitely not sterile. They can continue to me, which is pretty interesting actually tend to take on the polar bears hunting skills, so they can be aggressive and pretty skilled hunters. But they're not actually as good at swim. Ming as purebred pollers. You know? Polar bears can actually swim for one hundred miles continuously. And and they can't go that far. But in the long run, scientists actually think these Piz Leigh's will probably be successful by mating more and more with grizzly bears polar bears, and that's just because the numbers favor that and also how the environment seems to be going. What is interesting. The this isn't the only hybrid species that comes out of climate change Pacific. Standard magazine has written that beluga whales are meeting with NAR walls to create NAR lugos. At the very least fun to say. I mean that definitely sounds made up. I think it was probably in my twenties before somebody convinced me that NAR walls were actually a real thing. Anyway. So these NAR Lugas, that's crazy. I do think it's funny when you get these names like ligers and beef lows kind of fun to say, but and there's some that are just terrible. Like Jag lions and dog wolves which honestly just feels lazy. All right. So here's a strange owned, and it sounds like an urban legend. But it's actually true. There was this man in China who bought two puppies on the border of China, and Vietnam, and then he took them home. I guess they look like little black Chow chows, and so he fed them, and he groom them. And then things started to get a little weird. They wanted more and more food started feasting on his chickens, and then they grew to a hundred pounds. But he only fully realized he'd been do twenty read a government flyer about bear safety, and then he recognized the animals in the picture, it became pretty clear to them that he was actually the proud owner of two Asian black. So now, they live in a sanctuary where they get to eat more than just dog food. Thankfully, that's really funny. Actually, this is super weird. And I I'm sure I've told you this before, but my my grandfather was in the forestry service and one day when he was on tour. He found these three bear cubs whose mother had been shot. And I I think the mama Eric couldn't give milk. So she was aggressive in attacking the town. He and his colleagues found these bears. So he brought one of them back with him. And story was that my mom had pet bear for a little bit. In a sanctuary. And so like, my mom is unafraid of any animal the funny part. And the thing we always used to tease. My grandmother about was like how did she let pet bear in the house? And she always said like she thought it was a dog. And I guess there must be some sort of resentment. She was just like willfully ignoring the fact that my grandfather was bringing these ridiculous baby animals home for the what? But my fact so since we're talking about comes. Here's the fact about the Chicago Cubs in how they got their name. So, you know, even though I'm not a huge baseball fan. I I do love the strange team names that stick around for a little bits of time. Like in Brooklyn, the baseball team was called the Brooklyn bridegrooms first season. And I guess this is because like a number of them all got married in one season. And that's just the nickname. They took on. Similarly, the cubs used to be called the white stockings, which you know, is particularly useful since they also have the White Sox and Chicago, and then they lost their manager whose contract wasn't renewed. I guess and the team went by the name the Chicago or. I know and they were horrible because obviously teams on great when they don't have manager. Right. But then they start rebuilding the team with these super talented players, but all of them were really really young. And that's how they got the name the comes kung. Oh, I it wasn't like the super formal name. Apparently, there's the site Wrigley Ivy. And it says that young players were commonly called cubs colts, or you know, other young animal names. But then this types that are in Chicago may have accidentally like capitalized the description in print, and that nickname stuck I do like this idea that a team could have a different name every couple of years just based on something the team's been up to this idea. They all got married. So they were the groups. But actually, I looked up to Chicago Bears, and I've got a quick one about the Super Bowl shuffle. So did you realize it was nominated for a Grammy? I mean, it is such a novelty song, and it's hard to imagine any critics actually liking it. Well, the strangest part is that it was beat out by prince and the revolution's kiss. Thank thank goodness. It was beaten that song. That's ridiculous. And it's crazy to think that they were even in the same category. But one other thing I didn't realize but the year the bears won the Super Bowl was also the year of the challenger disaster. And that happened around the same time. So the team actually never got to visit the White House for for understandable reasons, but they did eventually get to go when fellow Chicago and Barack Obama invited the team to the White House twenty five years later. I mean that is crazy that they had to wait twenty five years kind of amazing that happen. Well, since we've moved into sports, pop culture. There's a fuzzy bear fact, I was trying to slip into the Sesame Street episode. We did a couple of those back, but I couldn't do it. Because he's more of a Muffin is the fact the that you keep sending me Fosse bear jokes from Twitter factors. I mean, they're so court. Forty actually have you seen that Mike for victory, especially where he talks about the one time he had to follow fuzzy bear on a comedy tour now open for him. And he said it was so difficult because you know, any bad joke fuzzy tells he's beloved because of his walk. Oh, walk. Oh, walk right. Right. And just use that right after the audience just eats it up and he's apparently a hard act to fund. But the one thing I was going to say was that on the original muppet show, the gag was that fuzzy bear would tell jokes that were so bad that he then get no reaction, and you get so upset that he'd get depressed or even start to cry. And you know, that sounds funny in theory, but apparently the audiences didn't know what to do like they mostly just felt bad for him. And it made the segments really really awkward. So when Henson and Frank ause were retooling the character. They played down the sympathy aspects and just made him this sort of Turnley optimistic deluded bear who, you know, still gets tomatoes and tomato soup thrown at him. But he believes he's crushing it onstage. Every time. Also, they retooled his eyebrows in the process because they used to make fuzzy bear frown more, you know, when he was getting upset, right? And they had this apparatus built in the puppet that Franco's could like pull so that the eyebrows shifted down. But then the hat mostly covered them up, and they retool the characters than they dropped element. All right. So I'm going to try to bring this back to real bears. Nothing gets fuzzy rate, but. I actually like reading about all the unusual skills that they have they have this incredible sense of smell. And and this is how extreme it gets. So they're seven times better smelling, then a blood hound a polar bear can actually smell seals from twenty miles away and can smell a seal under the ice through its breathing hole from a mile away at unbelievable it really is. And so they're also pretty crafty. This is according to mental floss, they will roll rocks into a bear trap in order to set them off. But the most intriguing thing to me was that bears are apparently good at math. Now, this comes from NAT GO, and it says bears actually have the largest brain of any carnivore and scientists wanted to find out whether they could count. So they set up these side by side touchscreens where bears would have to par touch their nose to the screen with more dots on them. And when they picked the screen with more dots. They got a little treat apparently bears are very motivated by trees than her assigned tastes kept varying the size and the colors of the dots. You know, there might have been fifteen tiny dots on one screen. And twelve on another these genius bears kept picking the right one. In fact, the biggest problem with the study ended up being that all the bears wanted to participate at the same time. And the scientists didn't have enough testing stations for them. You know, like I said they are very motivated by trees. Well, we've still got two more fear factor's you get to. But before we do let's take a quick for. Hey, there listeners mango here. And even though I was on the mat team in high school and took calculus as a sophomore. I am terrible at taxes. I hate forms. I get hung up on weird questions. And if you're anything like me, I'm sure you've got real tax questions to that's where turbo tax live comes in to have real tax professionals who can answer all those things for you. That means CPA's and e as who are on demand ready to give you advice and actually answer questions as you go their tax pros, get to know you. So they can offer personalized suggestions. And find all the deductions you deserve. Whether you're stuck on a specific question or even need guidance working through your return. They're tax experts can actually give you the confidence to insure your return is done. Right. That's turbo. Tax live with CPA's. And e as on-demand see details at turbo tax dot com. Welcome back to part genius. So you know, we'll I was thinking about that story. You told about that, dude? You bought two dogs turned out to be there's and it reminded me of this great story about Lord Byron college. Apparently the rule at Cambridge was that you couldn't have dogs on campus and Byron was so irritated that he decided to skirt the rules, and he decided to go out and get himself a bear like a team. There were of course, no explicit rules about having a bear on campus. I guess he got away with it. And he'd actually frequently walking around campus on a leash, but the funniest part is that people kept asking him. What are you going to do with that bear, and the standard reply was he was going to try to get them enrolled at the school and having sit for fellowship. A fairly that part of the plan never came through. That's pretty crazy. So I is that what you're using for your last fact, actually, I've got another one. I actually think this is pretty interesting. And I realized this when I was reading a Bernstein bears book about eastern to my daughter, and as I was reading it. I realized it was less about the chocolate bunnies and Easter icon, and there was a little more overt religion in there than I was expecting. You know, I it was more explicit than I had remembered, and I guess it was a little confused because I started wondering like had the Bernstein bears always been talking about religion like jars of clay, and I just hadn't picked up on it. You know? And I think if used about this stuff in the past to like knock growing up Christian, I didn't realize that as lon- and line that which in the wardrobe was supposed to be Christ until one of my best friends pointed out to me, or I I remember finding Archie comics online, and there's this one where Archie gets religious, and he converts a hippie. Really? Yeah. It was because the comic got licensed to a Christian publisher for bit. Anyway, I was curious at the balancing bears had like some sort of similar agreement. But it turns out that it's Jen and STAN Bernstein son, Michael who's been inserting more religious titles in the mix. And apparently went stand passed away. Michael, I she stepped in to help his mom keep writing books, and he'd apparently made his name by writing Christian themed books for about thirty years. So according to mental flaws when you see a title like Bernstein bears show. God's love the Barron seen bears say their prayers or the balancing bears go to Sunday school that generally indicates he's the one who wrote it. That's interesting. All right. We'll since we're sticking with fictional bears. Here. I'm going to join you with a Paddington fact, so did you know that Paddington was originally written to be from Africa? I mean, the only reason thing I know about Harrington was he switched from eating marmalade. Tomorrow might sandwiches ABC campaign and people were. Were they thanked him with a out seriously? I mean, I knew the titans from darkest Peru. But why was he from Africa for that? Well, this was a last minute adjustment. And it was pointed out to author Michael bond that bears don't really live in Africa. So he pivoted to darkest Peru. And that's where he based his creature on this spectacled bear. Well, I mean, I liked a lot of these. Fairfax. I I've got to say my favorite was that. There's can do math problems. I think you're going to take the trophy this week are I will. Thank you very much. It's an honor. And thank you guys for listening. We'll be back with a full length episode tomorrow. All right mega. We've got a podcast that we wanna make sure all of our listeners are aware of an how long do you think we've been waiting on this one? This is probably nine ten. No joke. So this is done by Josh Clark. Who's obviously, the co host of the huge stuff, you should know. And it's called the end of the world. They're only certain people that can really take these heavy topics and somehow present them in a way that you're like, you know, what this is crazy stuff. But I'm so entertained by this. That's right. So if you're a curious person who gets jazz by fascinating science and astounding philosophical questions at the end of the world with Josh Clark is waiting to take you on an adventure. You can find it on apple podcast the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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What's in your wallet savings in available coupons. Very low and welcome to it from economists radio our weekly podcast on technology and science. I'm kenneth kooky a senior editor at the economist and coming up on today's show a guided tour of the planet. Mars mars is as you might have noticed very cold. The atmosphere is terribly being at sea level but sees is like being in the stratosphere of veal and what can statisticians tell us about the arts. We meet the researchers cataloging culture. We were able to trace the change of meaning of some words in ancient greek. That scholars had spent many years studying But first our correspondent noah sneider traveled to one of the most remote places on earth to talk to the scientists who's on a mission to slow the thawing of the arctic. Last summer i went to the russian arctic to meet with a man sergey zemo. He's got this long greybeard. This long grey hair these intense bray blue eyes. He took me one day down. The kolyma bounced in rickety motorboat for few hours until we got to a cliffside frozen ground that they called permafrost as we were standing there on this cliffside. Mammoth bones were sticking from the mod. There were sort of old plant and animal remains strewn across. The banks of this river. Sergei turned to me and said a profit. You must live in the desert. I really come to see sergei in a way as a prophet of the permafrost. Nearly a quarter of the northern hemisphere. We're talking about an area that's twice. The size of america sits on top of ground. It's made up of soil which remains frozen for at least two years at a time. The man who really pioneered the study of of the frozen earth as a scientific field. Mikhail some gin. He often referred to the permafrost as the russians finks the technical term for it permafrost. His vich nightmares. Let the the eternal frost the eternally frozen ground but we're learning increasingly is that the permafrost may not be as permanent as once believed permafrost contains rich deposits of organic material like most soil. Does caesar old plant roots animal carcasses but in the permafrost they've been preserved in the ice over the course of millions of years and so the deposits are especially rich when the permafrost thaws that organic material turns into basically food for microbes and when the microbes break that material down that releases gases like dot side methane. One way to think about the scale of the consequences is simply how much carbon is locked up in the permafrost. The best estimates racking that there's as much as one thousand six hundred billion tons of carbon to put it in perspective that's about twice as much carbon as is currently found in the atmosphere and about three times as much carbon as is locked in all of the world's forests. It's not all going to be released. And it's certainly not all going to be released wants so the permafrost is not really a bomb like some people tend to say it's like a leaky pipe. Permafrost could in fact be a positive force for climate could sequester more carbon than it releases. Things start to look really bad when you look at the models where we aren't doing enough to mitigate our own greenhouse gas emissions in those models something like five to fifteen percent of the permafrost carbon reserves to be released this century some scientists reckon would lead to an increase in global temperatures of as much as point two seven degrees celsius cherokee sits along the river com in the far far north far far east of russia. Where people really shouldn't live temperatures drop below minus fifty degrees celsius in the winter. Few people really went down the columbia river of their own volition. During the soviet era the region had a reputation as one of the most brutal isis corners of the gulag but zim. Moths have been living there almost every year. Since around one thousand nine hundred eighty. They live for the first years without electricity. Andrew water from the river as as wife. Kalina told me bullet witching we felt free here. Few people have done more to unravel the riddles of the russians. Finks as it were then. He's a controversial giant but a giant in the field. The very notion of there being a large pool of carbon locked in the permafrost. A lot of that can be traced zemo. He came to chair ski to help. Set up a science station. Not only keeping it running but really building it into a global hub of arctic research. Took this for more than twenty years. He and his son nikita have been populating a stretch of about hundred sixty square kilometers. Which they call plasticine park and they've been filling it with large grazing mammals. Yaks horses sheep oxen mr zim of figures that the beasts. He's bringing up the arctic or going to clear away. The shrubs the mosque the large trees. The landscape that has developed recently in the area and clear the way for grasslands of the kind that spread across banja during the pleistocene epoch the glacial geological period began some two point six million years ago and ended about twelve thousand years ago. The way sergei sees it. This process will slow the thawing of the permafrost and slow the release of potentially massive stores of greenhouse gases that could accelerate climate change. He sees his project in the grandest terms as he. Put it to me to borger building. An ark upping moves ideas none rouses passions quite like plasticine park this image that he has of the way the arctic at the time when when woolly mammoths roam near far north resembled a modern day african savannah really thick. Grasslands loads of of animals herbivores grazing woolly mammoths bison horses elk reindeers predators like wolves and cave lions. That was life in the arctic. But as the plasticine gave way to the holocene those are before has died out. One explanation for the extinction was the warming. Climate itself. Zimmer sees things different way he reckons that as things got warmer human started moving further and further north. He argued that actually it was human hunting that led to the extinction of these. These mega-fauna in the far north park really grows out of that theory. And the idea in simple terms is to reverse the process to bring these megaphone back to the far north so far the park is really small. That said the results have been promising. The current mixture of animals out there. They have helped grasslands reemerge in the areas where they've been been grazing in the park and in those places the soil temperatures are cooler than elsewhere. Zemo comes from a tradition of science in russia that really tends towards grand sweeping theories that span disciplinary boundaries that drawn knowledge from many different field. He tends to measure about as much as he needs to in order to persuade himself that he's right. He'd be fine with a sample size of one for western scientists. Who really do place a premium on data. Who operate within hyper specialized field and tend to make claims only in context of those fields where they have deep knowledge. Eczema can be a bit unsettling that said what he lacks in rigorous. Data our extensive. He really just about makes up for with this deep engagement with the environment. And that's part of what comes from not only doing research in a place like turkey but living there and living there year round for decades that prolonged deep observation of his surroundings at him. A kind of insight. That's rare one of the things that zuma's have been observing. That's worrying a lot of folks who do study. The permafrost is that the active layer. The upper layer of the permafrost was no longer freezing over in the winter. The average temperature that the test sites around chair ski is now about eight degrees warmer than a decade ago. It's gone from minus six degrees to plus two for advocates of radical. Re wilding. What the team have done in cherokee is really tantalizing suggests this sensitive awesome the sense that we can revive these old landscapes and and we can do so in a way that might just save us. There are lots of questions as well about whether the most theories will pan out on a on a large scale. I mean whether the grassland will ultimately help to preserve the permafrost whether the grazing animals don't have other side effects unforeseen side effects. Two zero of himself is undeterred. Sergei has sort of turned over day to day operations of the park. The ticket that he crowd funded more than one hundred thousand dollars to bring a herd of twelve bison to the park the catch was that it was only enough money to transport the bison overland so nikita pick them up himself and took them from denmark. Overland's through much of europe. And nearly all of russia and ultimately to cherokee where they arrived on a barge to there were these twelve bison sort of shuffling their jobs in these containers. You can imagine they'd been a bit ansi after Weeks on the road disease Jammed this barge up onto shore and hopped out with crew and built bridge out of planks. And would they found on the shore nikita cokes. The animals one by one out of their cages and across this rickety bridge and onto land after the success of this mission we all retreated back to the research station had around of summer gone homebrew and toasted to the animal's health around them. I stepped out with sergei where he was having a smoke under the giant satellite dish sitting there taking a drag. He turned demand he said before. This was for connecting with the party now for connecting with god. God is sending a cygnus. Gather the alice. Science has the power to create progress and propel innovation at philip morris international. We are embracing science for better. Scientists changed our company and is transforming our industry. We believe that a future in which cigarettes are obsolete within reach. We believe that with the right regulatory encouragement and support from civil society. Cigarette sales can end within ten to fifteen years in many countries checkout pm i dot com slash better to find out more beverage from the economist is sponsored by capital one. Gonna one is using a modern service architecture. Data streaming and cloud technology to simplify shopping. So before you hit the buy button capital one. Shopping is already searching for available coupons and automatically applying them at checkout making shopping better by keeping more money in your wallet learn more about how capital one is using cloud native architecture to fuel the future at capital one dot com slash cloud capital one. What's in your wallet. Savings in available coupons very non. You'll probably wondering where you are yawn. Moss oliver morton is a senior editor at the economist. And he's been on an extraterrestrial hike for the holiday issue. He followed the tracks of nasa's curiosity rover on mars with a few detours. You'll standing on a flat plain call. Ao la's palace and i'm going to show you around. That's a war of rock on a chain of mountains like you find on the earth there the wall of something gale crater. It's about one hundred and fifty kilometres across and it's about three point five billion years old. So that's the wall of the world but turn around behind you and you'll see the prize. It's quite a mountain officially called a olas moms but most people call it mount sharp. It's not sharp. It's actually pretty smooth but it's big. It's the size of mombrun. It's not by martian standards a particularly big mountain. I mean mars has some absolutely huge mountains. But it's a very strange mountain by any earthly standards. 'cause on earth mountains get pushed up from below they get either bills up by volcanic activity. Aw screw on up when two tectonic plates meet as they do in the himalayas. This mountain was cut out from above. There's nothing like it on other tool but the rocks it's made of. They are almost uncannily. Earth like more earth like than anything. We've seen anywhere else. In the solar system mars is as you might have noticed very cold. The atmosphere is terribly thin being at sea level but alano sees is like being in the stratosphere of back in the day though it was if not woman wet warmer and wetter. That's how this huge bowl of rock got filled up by water flowing into it bringing with mods and pebbles and sans all that's gone most of the rock all the water. Uc frosts you see ice caps at the polls is hidden in the ground but flowing water is very rare on laws almost everything but his active israel mas. The volcanoes the huge. There's one on the equator that reaches halfway to space. There's an even bigger. Wanna olympus mons probably the largest volcano in the solar system standing off on the edge of the northern plains. but they don't smoke they don't spew out lava some of them may have been quiescent for more than a billion years. This is with a few exceptions a place where almost nothing happens. Obviously you'll notice that you feel a little light on mars and that's good for those who live here right. It means less stress on our heart. You'll have noticed that walking the seems ugly slow here that's because when you walk your legs acting as pendulums swinging to a natural rhythm and that rhythm depends on the gravity and on mas that rhythm slows down and so you're walking pace slows down so even though your body's lighter you walk slower skipping really works as a way to get across empty plain like this and into those interesting walks up ahead so here we are at what i think is one of the most bewitching parts of this landscape bag no jews. You'll notice that were very different color from everything else because they don't really have a calm. That black has tomek black as the surface of the moon. And that's because they're made of as of as of the moon as is most of the surface of mars as all the volcanoes of hawaii basle is the basic volcanic building stuff of lots of planets on mars. Though much of the basle is coated with these veneers of reddish brownish dust. It's only here that you see the basalt for itself because it's here that things have actually finally got active. These on fossilized junes the winds bend around the mountain deposit the sans here and these sanzar slowly marching towards the sand c at the age of the crater. He can actually mess around me because a few days time. No one will know we were ever here. I love this time of day here on mars. I love the fact that a very faint set of color start showing up in the sky. That's washed out during the day. I like the sometimes. If you're lucky you can see us as the evening. Staw hanging up above the settings on about whether saunas said it's not and truth goodwill bright and evening stars venus. But it's quite something to see in the sky above this extraordinary giant emptiness and feel the cold of night starting to creep in here the final hayes of the wind. This is a home planet. Most of it was never visited by the spaceships of the twenty first century as an awful lot of mystery laughed to discuss ova here in the martian sunset and finally be data meets literature and culture but can researchers learn from how many times the word green is used in victorian novels by processing more words. That human could ever read in a lifetime. Machines can discover new meaning tax. James toaster is a data journalist at the economist and he spoke to the researchers trawling through the classics with computers. The digital humanities all started off with a little faith in nineteen forty one. Father roberto busa catholic. Priest started using down as many uses of the word in as he could find in the works. If thomas coins it ended up taking him eight years and ten thousand eight hundred and to do having spent the best part of a decade on this fall. Booze expected you could probably do it much faster and more efficiently by using some type of machinery middle vedeno that the advent of computers was just around the corner. Father busa ended up in new york in the office of thomas watson. The ceo of off off to twisting watson's omits e collected a series of ibm punch. Cutting jeans to record all of acquaintances. Ten million words then my tapes which new technology for recording. The data ended up with nearly sixty people working on the project. But it's time in one thousand nine hundred ninety finished with all the magnetic take the nfl's miles of native full length of italy towards the end of his life. That's just how style that he was at the progress. That had been made in computational analysis surface humanities the phrase used was digits day he s hit the finger of god his natalie heard a story these two big trucks carrying these magnetic tapes. One of these two tracks at city called fire. There was no backup of. I'm barbara mcgilla. Free am a research fellow at the institute and at the university of cambridge barbara in fact worked on the basis project and museum. Today she is right to the cutting edge of what is being done with computers. A liberal arts. I can give an example from research. I've done on an ancient greek tax. We were able to trace the change of meaning of some words in ancient greek. That scholars had spent many years studying. What these techniques allow us to do is to see for example. How many times as an word was used in a certain meaning when the shift happened if it happened in the authors or in specific genres and quantitative the typical analyses that i just impossible to hand what father busa created this enormous field of digital humanities which today covers all sorts of crossovers between computing and the liberal arts. The ten million words of thomas acquired us drop in the ocean of all the great works of art and history and literature and philosophy that have been digitized. For example google books has at these two trillion words in it. They're even asked that have millions and millions of paintings and sculptures accord. It's you can point your phone at a sculpture. Jeddy what it is and who it's by when it's from so enormous speed and scale that have been enabled by decades of exponential growth in computing power. Now means the entire world all is available at your fingertips and just a few key strokes. Some of the most interesting research has focused. On novels of the eighteenth and nineteenth century one paper that was produced bud stanford literally lab created over the correlate which essentially takes given was. Looks at how often appeared over time when apple down usage and then looks at other words the follow a similar pattern so for example the word tree moves more or less than lockstep with the words elm and beech branch they found some really interesting patents specifically about the rise of more concrete novalis stick language most realistic language words but you and sensibility in pride. The sort of things we might associate with jane austen increasing fashion whereas words that was slightly more tangible body. Parts and colors came into fashion. If you think about charles dickens at the other end of the scan realistic lots of sights and sounds and sensations it you get they were able to track and quantify that change and to show how it really persisted throughout lots of different novelists over the course of the nineteenth century computers on quite as good. Humans weren't fun. Noah near members could humans as understanding. What words really mean. No rhythm is going to stan. Shakespeare solitaire 'til to get as much from a pub by byron as a human reader could but might be able to apply some of the same frameworks to add more insights tv thousands and thousands of all that platelets in office all as well remembered but still some interesting all the time that they were writing. It seems to be unlikely that the digital humanities to replace the traditional humanities just because they call it what you the same thing but they also met them by offering these extra capabilities and tools are thanks. To noah sneider oliver morton and james toaster. There are stories feature in our holiday issue alongside the long reads on a terrifying battle of sydney street and the art of military deception. If you're not already a subscriber there's still time for new year's resolution for the best introductory offer go to a cottam dot com slash podcast offer. The link is in the show notes. And that's all for this year's babich. I wanna thank our fabulous team of producers jason hoskin emeka short tino nolan william warn and of course the executive producer sandra morelli. And we think all of you. Our listeners have a wonderful new year after a very trying and we look forward to bring you more tech and science insights in twenty twenty one. I'm kenneth kooky and in london. This is the economist. And we'll see you next year.
Target USA -- Episode 206: The downing of Ukrainian Airlines flight 752
"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA as investigators. There's look into why. Ukrainian Airlines flight seven fifty two was shot down in Iran on January eighth by Iranian missiles. One serious question rises to the top. Did the crew know that they shouldn't have been flying several hours. Before being you know the The aircraft took off brand launch missiles against bases in Iraq. And as we looked into this incident this is one of the most whilst telling and disturbing developments we found so the pilots would have been sleeping when this happens and when they is very possible that they had no clue that that has happened. In other words the crew of you I a seven fifty two may have been completely in the dark about what was going going on in the air and the danger taking off post we dig deeply into that issue and much much more on this edition. Listen of target. USA National Security podcast from WTO in Washington DC this is is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States. Dangerous Orissa terrorist. DC is repeatedly mentioned. Is someplace they would like to see an attack. Cyber Criminals America has a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats. The people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you this is target. USA The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green it it was five. AM in Tehran. At Imam Khomeini International Airport Ukrainian International Airlines flight seven fifty two had been scheduled able to take off at that hour but the fourteen hundred mile flight. Boris Spiel International Airport in Kiev had been delayed by about an hour. You're until six twelve a m four hours before perhaps unknown to passengers on the plane and maybe even the crew Irani Ronnie and missiles it rained down on to military bases in neighbouring Iran housing. US military personnel and contractor better than it is on B.. Ron was responding to the US decision to kill General Qassim Suleyman and we. We saved a lot of lives by terminating. His life a lot of lives of save they were planning something and we had tremendous information. We've been following Pimm for a long time and we followed his path for those three days and they were not good stops. We didn't like where he was stopping. They were not good stops. We saved Aleta lives Mike. Iran had vowed to respond proportionately to state terrorism. This is an active aggression against it all and it amounts to an armed attack against you and we respond Foreign Minister Zarif speaking to CNN eh. And this was the response. Missiles launched at Iraq. DOC But I- Komeini airport in Tehran. There was a dark circle silence that morning the US Federal Aviation Administration Shen had issued three warnings that morning about flying in and around Iraq. Some Airlines had already made adjustments activity at Khomeini. The airport continued almost as normal as seven. Fifty two only recorded about four minutes took flight time. Most of that was spent taxiing in other words. It only spent about two minutes. In the air the Boeing seven thirty-seven eight hundred reached only about eight thousand feet. Before as we know now it was hit by two missiles all one hundred seventy six people on board were killed. The government of Iran has announced that. It's detained several people and set up a special court to look into the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines flight. Seven fifty to a central question short. Come up during the probe is did the the aircrew no. It was dangerous to take off from Iran. The Iraqi military said that on that day twenty two ballistic missiles were fired from Iran between one forty five. Am and two fifteen a. m. local time seventeen of them hit the Assad base and five at Erbil but after a one hour flight. Delay as we've told you you. I A seven fifty two took off from Khomeini airport at six twelve. Am It according to flight tracking statistics. Eighteen other flights took off as well after those missiles were launched. Well yeah good question. Captain House Durban Retired Commercial Airline pilot. Who flew for thirty years from what I gleaned on the news report this grow incident involving the shootdown of that airplane I think it was scheduled for like a five am departure. That would be bright and early and may have been delayed until six o'clock and several hours before being the their craft took off around launch missiles against a basis in Iraq. And as we looked into this incident this is one of the most telling and disturbing developments. We found so the pilots would have been sleeping sleeping when this happens and when they as very possible that they had no clue that that has happened in other words the crew of Ui as seven fifty two may have been completely in the dark about what was going on in the air and the danger taking off imposed on behalf of all company. I offer deem condolences to family. Members of the people who were on board Ukrainian International Airlines finds president. You've Ganey to everybody who is close to them. When you look at the will it was one of our best planes with excellent excellent trustworthy crews putting the shooting need? We decided to cancel all flights to Iran for an indefinite period of time target. USA asked Ukrainian Airlines if it knew whether the crew was ever briefed about the danger. The airline responded saying whilst whilst Ukraine international does not wish to encourage any speculations and further overstrain the media landscape. The airline does not comment on decisions and activities of the officials and authorities for accident details. The airline cannot comment as well until the investigation is finalized is and the findings are officially released. So in the absence of having anything official we went back to captain how Durbin to find out. What the normal all standard operating procedure should have been so when they get to the airport Starting their day they would be checking. They're briefing the condition on the airplane and the weather for their route of flight and also to note hymns would be disseminated in his. That time you might have noticed not referred to something called a note. Them that's notice to airmen and those are typically warnings and what we learned is that in in between Iran's attack and you I seven fifty two taking off the US Federal Aviation Administration issued three notams warning US aircrews not to operate in the over water. Airspace above the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman also in Iran and Iraq doc. And they said this was due to heightened military activities and increased political tensions in the Middle East. It's important to understand and these notices were transmitted internationally in a statement the FAA told target USA quote the FAA routinely shares relevant information mation on potential or emerging risks with our industry and foreign partners and quote however the FAA also pointed out we have have jurisdiction over us. Aircraft carriers only foreign governments have no obligation to follow our notices and again and it raises questions about what was going on with the Iranian. Aviation Authority. Again captain how Durbin I would imagine what with what has go on on. That should have Probably had the airspace close whether or not they issued an Ode. We're not I'm I'm not sure but that's the type of thing that You really couldn't cover up because it's done electronically and posted in their time and date stamp when it did and considering what Durbin said target. USA Right went looking for any evidence that anotem was issued by Iran. We found none we spoke with. US and international aviation authorities ladies and still found none but continuing our conversation with Durban. Another disturbing possibility arose. It's entirely possible. That in all the information they receive they missed that. That's right you heard correctly. He said it's entirely possible. That the flight crew might have gotten the information regarding the danger in the skies but they missed it sometimes these note and can get out of hand amount of Information Asiana pilot has to glean from his weather For example in in New York I will would get pages of notams then abbreviated or truncated format at Some of those had been posted there for years and So some some cases it's hard to see the forest for the trees. According to Durban during flight briefings. A lot of information is flowing back back and forth while you're a briefing could have received a contact from his dispatcher. Maintenance could have interrupted the slow of the review of this stuff a lot of stuff to absorb it a very short period of time to get your flight going and could have been there and midst by the pilots that would have glommed them or could not have been provided right in which case. I'm not exactly sure but here is what we are. Sure of. Eighteen other flights took off from Khomeini International Airport airport that same morning so were all of those crews possibly distracted or were all of those crews possibly in the dark as has to what was going on in the skies were all of those crews which were most likely from different countries and some of them likely friendly countries to the US and likely in possession of the information not aware that something was going on. I think the in fact the airplane to cough was there is. There had to be some disregarding recklessness on on certainly on the part of the aircrew part of air traffic control to Ron on and I think certainly Iranian military. That's Douglas wise a retired senior official from the Central Intelligence Agency. Who has is a mix of extensive intelligence experience some knowledge of aviation and deep knowledge of the part of the world? That we're talking about right now. I think Ah Without a noticed. Airman anotem being published even even though it certainly not compliant outside the US. But I think most major airlines to pay attention to notice issued by the FAA. I think even without a note him. I just due to the the heightened tension attention and obviously Already the use of kinetic strikes that you know that any prudent Air Traffic Control Network and any prudent aircrew would not have flown On that at that time I think anybody would have considered to be extremely risky and extremely dangerous. The FAA declined our request for an interview. The Ukrainian government said said. It's too early to talk about the situation because they have a very sensitive investigation that's underway as well. There's still a lot of questions to answer the answer. And one of them is how. All these jurisdictions and delegations which operate in different spaces worked together their governmental organizations is there are commercial organisations there are military organisations. Douglas Wise. Put it this way it's an interconnected and kind of situation where you ever traffic control. You have the aircrew and obviously you have the ear defenders in Iranian military. So in the end you you should. He air traffic control Should they be allowed. The airplane to take off I think answer is no And the pilot irrespective of Iranian air traffic control at the option of not taking off. And I think you know reasonably prudent person would have assessed at that time of tension that it might have been a greater risk so I think the the pilot command should Not of has taken off and obviously that the signature data available to the Iranian air defenders. It should clearly clearly showed that this was not a aircraft flying a threat profile normally considered the military aircraft. So I think all three of those parts they are some responsibility for this tragedy. It it's going to be quite a while before we find out where all of this we'll come to rest but in the meantime we've heard from Vedeno Press Diko the foreign minister from Ukraine speaking to reporters about the approach. They're taking king with their investigation. We have so many different pictures and videos right now which we are concerned and not us as professionals we have to know where who short short the individuals who share video what the position was real position on grounds in there. What is the time line? So all of this is now on the lies by specialists. As soon as as they come to the conclusion we'll be able to share and at that say news conference minister. Stike oh was asked why he was hesitant to say that a missile had struck the plane. Yeah well the. US and Canada said they were very confident that a missile had brought down the plane. I we have so many reasons to be fair in all. I used to get personal because we want the truth and through something which will be stopped right away as we speak today. It got this information. This nation's obtain them for themselves and the piece of initially they could share with us. What's we really wants to have his spurs forensic on the ground? We have not been access deep black boxes yet which is a key point in our investigation. We have to have all the pieces owned by this. We could not see all the for example. The chairs very important elder by. They're not cheap. It's not about political. Wizard will lead into one position or another whereas West again somebody else. We want to have the key pieces as soon as we have them. The collectors Everson all the old information which was shared with us and we also have our own information. Don't forget that we're the only nation which is on the ground with very powerful. Not Right now. We later learned that a part of the reason why he was being a bit hesitant to assign blame. Which essentially would fall at the feet of Iran was because they simply did not want to alienate the Iranian government? They had their early suspicions that the plane had been brought down by a missile. Now now we know that there were two missiles but the government of Ukraine Barry intelligently decided not to throw it in the face of Iran at the time because they had had much more information that they needed their cooperation to get and what it all boils down to were the legal elements. He addressed it before the news conference ended. There is the plan. If you have a fund all does visison missile which was short with showdown our showdown our plane. There is a whole legal procedure which will have to go through three different levels of this before this this moment. That's what we are now. That's where we're now considered right right right now and even the international coalition of those who are involved does radio mechanism which can be used. We are considered the UN possibilities on its analogy to immigration to which I hear on your over the Ukrainian territory might come to the minds. One hundred seventy six souls eighty Arabians sixty three Canadians. Eleven Ukrainians four Afghans for Britain's and three Germans all lost hundreds of immediate family members thousands of extended family members tens of thousands of friends. Oh grieving the loss of loved ones wants hundreds of thousands of enraged people in six countries demanding answers millions of people around the world watching it all unfold old asking the question. How could this have happened? A small handful of people likely have or had the answers. We may never know exactly. We want the circumstances. Were that led to the plane taking off but we do know information that should have kept the plane on the ground was was out there. That's going to do it for this episode of Target USA. Coming up on our next episode the deepening cyber problems the US and its allies allies are experiencing so one night around midnight midnight. Shouldn't this tent. I and I had these cyber professionals from different countries in there and I asked him I said hey in this room room has never had the Chinese in your network on inviting. Everybody just kind of looked around. I asked what I thought. Okay who in this room is never had the Russians uninvited in your networks. No hands was like what I thought I said. Hey we the same adversary. We deal with. The same problem sets in this domain yet. We don't have as close a partnership as I think we could command sergeant major William Reinhardt from. US Army South we deal on our next episode with the serious problem that gets worse by by the day militias cyber actors their plans and their big target the USA. In the meantime if you have any questions these are comments send me an email and Jay. Green at W. T. O.. P. Dot Com. 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Who will be axed in Johnson's reshuffle?
"Just before we start listening to this podcast reminded that we have a special subscription author. He can at twelve issues of the spectator for twelve pounds as well as the twenty pound Amazon Voucher. The GO-TO YOU SPECTATOR DOT com forward slash voucher. If you liked get this offer. Unwelcome tea. Coffee House shows spectators ages. Daily Politics Portcullis. I'm Cindy you an joined by Katie Booze and James was eighth saying a little over a month time. burs Johnson will be having his major reshuffle after his election victory. So who's in WHO's out. And how big of a reshuffle will it be Katie. Do we have any ideas so as several going going on behind the scenes I don't think final decisions have been made yet but over the weekend she had burst. Johnston Goatee checkers. His grace and favor residence and meet some senior members of his team came along with some officials to discuss the various changes. Now the Holy Organization feeds into the cabinet reshuffle in the sense of clearly. If if your department goes you don't have a job now. It does fit as increasing name. What before Christmas between the Mass Whitehall reorganization Asian is being diluted and actually going to see such a shakeup of departments or need departments and I think that is in part? Because there's the view that given this government is very conscious that need to deliver in many of its pledges to keep these former Labor vote to that and they're very and daily then when another five years in power on top of that also delivered Braxton for your second round of negotiations I think there's limited bandwidth and they worry that if you create all these new departments you actually Eh. POPs waste a lot of energy. Has Energy should prioritize elsewhere. Doing this and I think Desi for example the department facts to in the European Union. I mean it wasn't really a great success to put. It kindly became a place that civil servants who went really going anywhere. I would go there. You couldn't get the best there and is not even close Dan so I if you all going to create new powerbases news promise you have to be very clear and it's GonNa take a lot of energy to make them a success so I still think we'll see some level of reorganization. I mean there's a discussion over ocean nick and pivoting back. What is driving this? I think there's a huge focus on keeping these voters in the mittens and the noodles. And in doing that the government I think the second aim after delivering brexit is leveling up the country. That's what I keep saying. So do you need a new department to do that at department infrastructure a department for the north. Can you do it with the current structure. You have tons of the past and the ministers and this report over that we can. That does that. She a big push right now. Going back to the red wolves fish to try and bring up some of these new. MP's so people like Deanna Davidson in people like some of the MP's Wales Wrexham Female MP and try and get these women on a poverty promotion gas A.. Columbia Secretary of state she. Yeah but what can you do. So they start to climb the ladder so I think that the government conscious of that in terms of the reshuffle. Something something I wrote about last week is the fact that usually people try and save jobs. They Various things that she needed impromptu speech they might do toward the studios perhaps curry favour of a certain journalists and fats for that of the prime minister. Abe I think all the signals from the ten is they want to use his majority of eighty to move away life even cutting the media and the metric that they are judging administers bias. Kind of keep your head down in your desk rollins school media heads so I think if you're looking at he's up and he's Dan. There's a small portion of this cabinet. He trusted I think. That is your inner circle. I've Michael Bevan them. Someone's intent of a big promotion Dominic Robb as well He. I think a sanction to go out and depress if you're not in that grape the dirt ready tool king and I think that various attempts to get your speech green lit ahead of the reshuffle probably facing obstacles so if you think that using someone out there in the media has not given approval to do that they've they've property heading to tricky situation a couple of weeks time walk he says about number ten years Roy Mafia Peres points out in times. Call him you know how not only how true case Ounces Grun but also this point vont minutes is going to be given more licensed to get on with doing stuff. The Department Borstal Sinisa is by nature. delegator so I think you're gonNA see ministers giving more freedom to run their own departments they have been previously. I one of the reasons Walleye. The reshuffle is shrinking. In songs is the Po- promises never more powerful than before just before they care. assery shuffle for and the the coming reshuffle combined with General Action on the gap between the general election in the reshuffle means an awful lot of secretaries of state of basically being content content. Say whatever you want alder giving racking very hard. I don't see what making clear what they're prepared to implement number ten's agenda I mean what's IT GONNA crucial point if you benmaller someone who was Laura speculation about Enron t election Boris Johnson went by was old ally abortions and giving in a big job lots of torture in the campaign. The person's felt the PEMBINA city. have been not responded in the way that he would have liked been too confrontational. Med Med at Fort Number. Ten too much on some stuff. post-election you been Morris's Political Thinking Book Austin Robinson at Times Interview Tim Shipman yesterday. It's very much on number ten messages about defense. Transformation about the different ways it should be done on a and that is a sign of of why about us. Having some ministers of save jobs like getting things done to take Julian Smith another person. He was on shaky nail. He has now go power-sharing back up and running he has dohrmann allows the restriction of devolution. Sentencing borstal statement welcoming sausage basis. That this wouldn't have happened without this actually state which is a sign that I mean aginst will countries what people before during the campaign people before vitamin JEANS MEMPHIS. Deep trouble is now now survive. So you sing here. How how this reshuffle shrinking and the bigger question which is very interesting story? In The Times on this today is about how differently is government going to work and you you people who were in those no deal meetings and they say they were different because they have this they let you have the board and they the meeting General General. Good rule for life as as anyone who's up for a newspaper conference with agree the meeting to come to a conclusion on the point and it and that day affeldt drove change always increase greater accountability. 'cause it was clear whose responsibility of his stuff more so obviously more. There's also another question for number Tanya which is how many shuffles do vaping will be doing between now and the election because on Katie's point if you want some of these new different figures to be you know on the waves come the next general election campaign on Sarah after an MP Wrexham verse reluctant here as well Secretary. For example V people need to progress on bilateral assertain rate. And in a way pulse of this question is how many when he shuffles. Do you intend to do between now. And the next election and Katie James mentioned just now that Ben Wallace interview with the Sunday Times. What did he say in it? The bengals is talking about his role and tons of furniture as and engagement of countries and potential conflict. And I think the one the main takeaways was the fact that the UK can't rely on the US in the way has in the past and that is partly because you now have done trump and taken taking more ice as -lationist view and as a result of that he has to be ready to work with others. And I think you could read as what mourner lime on on European allies rather than the US attorney at saying closed. The door to America on this bay was making case paps hopefully hopefully that he has to have a strong defense forces. Self Defense Secretary and trying to make sure department's budget it's not not have review is a good. I point to make but also just you know in terms of the place in the world. The U K which I think is something which as James Taishan Chimes. What number ten is pushing one of the interesting thing things we should be looking out for in the coming weeks James expert and his son call images the decisions you made a while away and the five gene UK? Hey wants to hold and ultimately is it a security issue because if you look at this relationship between the UK and the US the US have been very clear they do not think to UK should be joining forces or allowing as the Chinese company to have this level of access and then that which way the government is heading but is it going to be such a program that if the kid goes ahead with this because we do accept decision to be made in the coming weeks they would then be closed off from intelligence sharing with America Erica. Who can they do? Maintain the and. I think that's when things are going to weigh the balance of James on that point about hallway. Andrew pocket outgoing my five leader gave an interview to the FDA that he doesn't actually believe that a US would stop sharing intelligence with A. We went ahead with hallway. Do you think he's right to think. I think that the US has made it pretty clear repeatedly that that's something they would. I still be the vast majority of intelligence sharing would continue. The question is does it. WHOA affect does it have on the Morgan? I think that the point is there is there is a technical difference of opinion between the the UK intelligence officers and the US Australia intelligence over us. Australian government I should say I'm not sure what but the the. US and Australian views the need the burying this beyond my my level of a as a as a humanities graduate level of technical know how but the thinking is is as follows which is as in the US train views. The nate the very nature of the way the five G. operates means that there that there isn't really a core and periphery during the essentially. If you're in network you're in the network regardless of whether you're just the base stations will be an ten is the UK view is no. It's falling lean to use hallway for base stations and antenna because we can keep an out of court the sensitive bit of network. I mean that is the tension between in the UK and the US Australian view. Which is interesting? Is Some of the hawkish government boy that because the government is on such an ambitious program for the rollout five and fiber van out a position where they need Holloway. The line of the views the one who is not realistic realistic. how quickly the mom wants to do it? But it means it's boxed itself in because how do you know how you do it that speed if you're going to take out one of the biggest here's providers in the world hallway from being involved. I mean this is. This is enough attention. Question here becomes this which is essentially in the UK has no more important security relationship than the five is intelligent network. It is clearly I think at some point you need certain certain level of coordination about what you think is safe and what you think you save on if the US and the Australians take the view of this say you'll be foolhardy the UK okay to ignore their concerns. City government is expected to make a decision on this later this month. James's at very much so alive. Issue for debate in the government over you is you. They're all. We had a senior. US security official in town all sweet. Oh being there are more coming to town this week in people are trying to make the point about why basis ill-advised woman's you'll see reports on tonight is kind of he doesn't like these binary choices and he will he will not like the idea of bases designed to China. You can't be involved in because that would obviously a for warriors not officer big no qualifies for the rest of you. UK Chinese relations. And so I think he will be inclined to find kind of way of basis anti Americans look Begnaud in the core of isn't that yeah. I think we wait to see leap. But if he was given the intervention by entrepot five undecided G. Savage cues the same view moment. Unless we get into a situation where you whereas gets to a president. Prime Minister Discussion on the consequences are made very clear off in the UK we will probably be limited Hawaii involvement is oh speaking to some Tory. MP's who are a bit more hawkish about our way than they don't really think that is a good idea. And we remember of course like Evan Williams and was fired essentially from Israel last year. A dispute over this has a Conservative Party reacting to this possibility that Boris Johnson might just be another theresa May when it comes to hallway will bear clearly some in the Conservative Party. Not Finish me much firmer approach but I think it just comes back to this crunch point which is if giving access on this means that the UK is going to be excluded colluded from intelligent sharing of allies shad intelligence for for a very long period of time and is of huge importance. Then I think you will hit people speaking out and speaking king loudly and I think that that will be the driving focus if I'm expecting American representatives to be in touch with the government about this if there was a way to include while way like keeping those intelligence-sharing relations going with American countries. Then I think it'd be less of an issue you there will still be some. He didn't like it but I think that it's only if it then leads to a change in the UK works over countries. That I think it really become a thing for those who want to speak out because we are a majority of eighty territory. And I think that if you decide you want to make something you'll cools and starts rebellion. You have to feel very very strongly about them and James One other thing that conservative. MP's and not necessarily happy about is the times of the power-sharing deal that got Stormont back up. I'm running in it. There is a section about how to pursue the legacy of the troubles and the British army men who were involved in policing that time he tell us about what's going on him. Serving that one can have long standing issue has been this issue of commute. Store Kapros A- prosecutions of former servicemen for historical offenses. Baz being a big desirable interim peas have fall greater protections for servicemen from prosecution and the kind of concern being expressed by people such gaumont Malt Francois for and it was a big issue on a in. The last parliament is in the steel risk of reopening that question lead into more servicemen servicemen subjected to investigation. I think the crucial difference. The crucial point is no one should be subjected to Vecsey. shes prosecutions but there is a different different question about when something which is more of a straight forward crime I think has been committed. I ought to having that. There is fundamentally sleep difference between operations in Northern Ireland. No one on his own the United Kingdom and if he and I mean people say oh it's not lab because you go our way terrorists on the run etc such and such an personally think we should hold our own armed forces to to a higher standard than than those of terrorist or screws. But I mean the crucial point is what is not realistic is to investigate. Things have been investigated previously moving there. There is no realistic chance of any kind of prosecution. I mean that is the distinction that needs to be maintained and Jay was just tell us a bit more about that power sharing deal that has been struck. Thanks Julian Smith and what does it say. And what does it mean for Northern Ireland. I think essentially two things have driven this power sharing deal one is the fact that both Vedeno pinching insane fear that they would go backwards if there was another assembly electronic is very UK government was very clear. One movie called. Gosh I couldn't. We got up and running on the second is making clears That the money was linked the money for dealing with specific problems in on and such as paying the like about was linked to getting power-sharing back up and running but I think in a way the most impressive aspect of his agreement is that appointees on our in Saudi executive. I think will make a big difference. Isn't just a a patient vein joyfully. You've got the other party the northern on taking up season the executive James Katie. Thanks very much and of course today is also the deadline for the Labor leadership candidates to get their MP nominations there will be back later today with a second podcast us to see who has got to that stage. Thanks for listening and join us again later.