17 Burst results for "Vasily Lomachenko"
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"He did exactly what he does in every other fight. And I was like, you know what? I guess. But Lomachenko landed the better power punches, snapped Haney's head back constantly. He just fought in spurts. And I'm okay with that. I mean, look, man, like, robbery is what we use on social media when we don't like something. It gets amplified. It's like saying the album's classic as soon as the shit drops, right? It's fucking annoying. Tell me about it. So this fight is close. Multiple swing rounds that you could have gone one way or the other. A robbery is what happened to Manny Pacquiao when he fought Tim Bradley. That's a robbery. A robbery is when we all agree that this fighter dominated X amount of rounds, and then the scorecards read the exact opposite. Everybody at the fight had it 115 -113. Just about everybody, except for Dave fucking Moretti, the judge. He's weird. He scored the 10 -10 round when Ryan got knocked down against Tank. Yeah, I don't understand this shit. But they petitioned not to have him, and the commission said, fuck you. Yeah, pretty much. But this wasn't a robbery. It was a close fight, and people needed to get over it, right? Floyd Mayweather had a close fight with Jose Luis Castillo, and people would say, he got robbed. No, if you watch the fight again, Floyd won. But it was a close fight. It was closer than anybody anticipated. Now you didn't get the decision you like. You got to yell, robbery, on Twitter. There's a difference. There's a huge difference. No, there's a difference in what Floyd did. He ran it back. There lies the issue. Bill Haney goes, Devin's dad says, I don't see the need for a rematch, because it wasn't close. Now, Bill, you were in the corner. In the corner. You didn't see the fight like everybody else saw the fight. I hope when you go home and watch the fight, you go, we might need to run this shit back. Because - Public opinion is a mofa. Well, Vasily Lomachenko is a three -division champion, former number one pound -for -pound fighter in the world, and you're 24 years old and you barely beat him, which people need to give Devin a lot more credit for that, because there ain't 24 -year -olds beating short shot Hall of Famers at all. Teofimo. But if you want, you're never going to silence the naysayers. Even if you beat Lomachenko, somebody's going to be like, he's old. Or they're going to make up some other shit. You're too big. Whatever the fuck. But for your own sanity, you need to beat that man again, because the winner, Josh Taylor and Teofimo Lopez, they're always going to be there. Shakur Stevenson, he's going to be there. Anybody who's going to want to fight is going to be there. Lomachenko's 35. He ain't going to be there. No, and I would argue this decision was the best thing that could happen to both fighters. I don't know about Lomachenko. Lomachenko, I understand you don't leave with the belt to undisputed, but if they would have gave Lomachenko the 115 -113 win, it would have just been just another win in boxing. People would have said, okay, it's a fine fight, I'm going home. He's become a bigger star, and he has an overwhelming fan base he didn't have before, because people believe he got robbed. People who've never watched boxing are talking about Lomachenko. Stars, movie stars, basketball players, not named Dame Liddler. Everybody else who doesn't give a fuck about boxing, young kids on YouTube and TikTok, and they're all saying, Loma beat Haney, Lomachenko. Like, they all know his name now. That star power is huge, because people feel he got robbed, and then vice versa. David Haney winning like this, if he would have been boring and just dominated him 10 rounds to two, it would have been like, ah, another fight. Him winning a controversial decision, getting that gimmick of being a villain now, now he can lean into it today. Man, all I hear is just like, creating a new star to build a new rematch. And make another house. This shit's pro -wrestling. It's, I've seen it time and time again. Everything's pro -wrestling. This shit is pro -wrestling. It sounds like Cody Rhodes rolling up rock wrestling to me. That's what I'm hearing. Exactly that. I'm like, he escaped with a win, and now you got to run it back. It's exactly what it is. I'm like, you ain't slick. I see this. This shit was a small package. The script is written. I love it. But that's the beauty of it, right? Like, I say everything is pro -wrestling all the fucking time, because it is. It is. The marketing aspect of it is like, what is the storyline that we can tell to make people want to spend more of their money to watch something they already saw, right? Because like, yeah, Cody Rhodes beat Brock Lesnar. But were you satisfied with that victory? No, nobody was satisfied with that shit. So now we're going to run it back, and we're going to squeeze more money out of this. If Devin's smart, I don't really want to say if Devin's smart, because I know there's a part of his team that's like, we don't need to fight him again. No. You do. Yep. You do. There's money on the table. There's money in it. That's the key. That's pro -wrestling. It puts butts in seats, right? Like, is there money to be made? Be like, yo, y 'all got beef backstage? We're bringing this shit in the ring, because there's money to be made from it. There's money to be made from this fight in this arena. It's the carnival acts. Hey, we ain't going to make this a fair game for you to play. We're going to grease up these little holes so when you throw the ball, it's going to slip right out so you can try and try and try again. Oh, I got close. That's the key. That's the gambling aspect, right? And then now everyone's doubting it, and people remember how the decision went. And if he believes, like his camp showed, that he's going to win, then go run it back and make people hate that you won again. But now you can play up this new character throughout the whole build. You have real animosity from Loma's side, thinking they got robbed. Before, that was missing from this last build. Those are all friendly and shit. And the thing that really pulls these people in that who aren't familiar with the rivalry and the story between them two, it's those little fight packages beforehand. Because now you have a story to build off of and to put a lot of more stuff in between to make it, to build it. It's to bring in those non -casuals. Yeah, it's the soundbikes. Everything they put... Listen, I work for ESPN. I don't give a fuck. We put a camera in Lomachenko's locker room after and asked him, so how hard is this loss on you? And he thought about his child saying, yo, you got to come home with the belt. And he started crying. How long have you been since y 'all cleaned this motherfucker? He was bawling on camera. Like, they know what they're doing. They're going to run that cry package forever. Devin Haney trolled him today because Bob Aaron was caught on the hot mic. Who has hot mics in 2023? You know what the fuck they're doing? Bob Aaron was caught in the hot mic. Say Lomachenko really did win. And then Devin was like, Bob's old ass was sleeping half the fight. He don't know what he's doing. Clear, he'll move. Like, now he's cutting down the boss. And then he posted a picture. Oh, this is how Bob is. And he has Lomachenko crying with his hands on his face in another picture. He's going full heel and leaning into it. The story is writing itself. Finish the story, Cody Rose. Finish the story. Dude, just do the promo package. Play Limp Bizkis My Way over the shit and let's go. It's the greatest promo package in the history of pro wrestling. And them entrances is going to be fire. Oh my God. Like, everything is there to build off of. They got to stop playing. There should have been a... Listen, I didn't need a rematch clause. I need to haul that shit on contract before. But it's just good business now to say, you know what? We didn't have any of that shit, but we got to run it back. Yeah, again, if I'm Devin and I'm 24 and I... Like, you are the heel now. Now, you can't fight scared. Floyd ran it back with Castillo and dominated him in the rematch.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"Now people will say Katie has better opposition than Clarissa does. My argument is this. It's the Roy Jones argument. There ain't nobody. I made them look like nobodies. That's what Clarissa does. She just dogs everybody. But Clarissa went up against a buzzsaw, and now she's on our pound -for -pound list of sporting news. She's number three. Chantelle's number two. And Clarissa's number one. But the gap between one and two is pretty wide. Now Chantelle can start chipping away at that. If she beats Katie again, she could fight Amanda Serrano. There's other opportunities for Chantelle Cameron to make a dent. She ain't catching it. Yo, Clarissa's got to retire. Clarissa is about to put this so far out of reach, no one's catching her ever. The problem is Clarissa has nobody to fight. It's not true. Who? Because on the table she is going to, and I'm telling you exactly how it's going to play out. Women's boxing is a lot easier to map out than men's. It is. Savannah Marshall is going to beat Cruz Dezern. I don't know. It's not going to be easy. I ain't going to say she really going to win. I don't know, man. Because Francione is good. But everything is in place for Savannah, as long as it goes to distance, to win that fight. I'm not saying in the ring you got to win it when she ain't going to knock her out. But I'm saying she going to win the fight. And when you look at it that way, it's just one of those things where it's like if Savannah has the titles at a weight division higher than Clarissa, and they have a rematch that's built in anyway, Clarissa is going for a title in a third weight class? Three division undisputed? You ain't catching her. Nah, man. I don't know if Savannah's going to beat Francione. I do know that Clarissa, she's already beat them both. Yes, she has. She's beat both of them. Now they're fighting for undisputed. I talked to Clarissa last week, and she's plans on fighting in MMA this year. She's like, I got to come back. We were joking. I was like, you're going to train Francis? She was like, yeah, I'll probably help Francis. He can help me with some MMA stuff. I was like, he ain't got no ground again. What are you doing? So probably have to watch the division shake out. She's fighting Hannah Gabriel's. Hannah Gabriel's not good. She's 40. She's the light heavyweight champion in a division that's very similar to Emmanuel Nunez at featherweight. But she's too good. It's the bottom line, she's too good. Chantel can fight all these people, and people eventually start saying, oh, she's getting close. But Clarissa is not only the number one pound for pound. She's the greatest women's boxer we've ever seen. And you look at it, it's just going to be, it's set up. Again, the summer is crazy. So we're just continuing and going and going. And then now we can talk about the fight last weekend. So Devin Haney, Vasily Lomachenko, it's kind of like a very random, I'm not going to say boring, but it's like a normal fight week. It was a boring fight week. Yeah, it was like whatever, EDC is going on. Everybody got the wild outfits. That was the highlighter. We, everybody got the wild outfits and shit. It's highlighted colors. There's a bunch of mesh going on and shit. Girls got lollipops in their hair. We saw a guy with like a highlighter green, fluffy vest, 110 degrees out of the speedway. This man got a fluffy vest. Look, looking like a kid's cartoon. But none of them were at the fight. Not a damn person. Not one of them. But that was a highlighter of fight week. And we're like, yo, this doesn't have the buzz. And then Devin Haney pushes Vasily Lomachenko at the weigh -ins. Yeah. And shit takes off. Everything is pro wrestling. And Devin Haney knows that shit. And that is how you build a fight. And in turn, we were talking about it. Tank has his gimmick. He's like a mini Tyson, knocks everybody out. Black people love him. Ryan Garcia, he was the pretty boy. All this shit. He does social media. He models. Got a gimmick. Everybody loves him. Tio Fimo, he's a little rough around the edges, but he does all the young kids' dances and shit. All this stuff. Knocks people out. Gimmick. Devin Haney ain't have shit. No, he's the dream. He was pretty boy Floyd before. Like everything's like, you're good. But what do you got? He now has a gimmick. He's a villain. Yeah. He had to accept that. It's beautiful. Because he's like the nicest guy. No track record, no nothing. Tank out here beating up people allegedly and all this shit. And people love Tank. He's a baby face. I don't understand this. Man gets arrested twice a year. He's a baby face. Mike Tyson, like shit. He is. People love Tyson. And you look on the other hand, Devin Haney. Clean cut. Everything's great. My own mannered. All this shit. I wasn't going to sell, bro. The push changed everything. Yeah. I didn't like the push though. I have a reason why I didn't like the push. My issue with the push was you should have told Loma. Because you pushed him so hard, you could have hurt him. Could have. And that had fucked up everything. Yeah. It fucked up all the money. And it was funny though, because he does the push. And so many people in boxing media came up to me the day of the fight and was like, yeah, I was picking Devin, but I'm picking Loma now. I said, all that from a push? Yeah. I think he's in his head. I asked him at the press conference. I was like, you know, the reason is for the push. He's like emotions, whatever. You're selling fights, bro. I know what you were doing. But you had everybody changing their pick off of a push.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Week last week. I thought I was giving you two winners I gave you two losers Katie Taylor drops a decision to chantel Cameron. I should have known better. Vasily lomachenko drops a decision to Devin Haney. I thought I would check out one the fight. But I should have known better. Shout out to the guy in the MGM Grand garden arena that was shouting at me from the upper level that he took my advice on these picks, I saw you, I heard you, I remember you, I apologize for that. This week, the fight that I am locked in on is the 126 pound title fight over in England. You've got Lee wood, Mauricio Lara, part two, it was just a few months ago that Mauricio Lara stopped Lee wood with a spectacular knockout left hand, put Lee wood down and ultimately out. Lara coming into this fight understandably a pretty significant favorite. He's at minus three 20. Lee wood plus two 30 to win. Lara by knockout is minus one 90. Honestly, I thought those odds would be even worse because Lara is not a great boxer and his best chance to win is to stop Lee wood again and Lee wood has been stopped now a couple of times and that knockout loss was pretty nasty if we're being honest. Lee wood to win by points is at plus four 20, I almost want to go there. I almost want to take Lee wood to win by decision because he was winning that fight before Mauricio Lara knocked him out. But I think Lara is such a vicious puncher that he's going to win this fight and he's going to win by knockout. So my official prediction, Mauricio lar to win minus three 20. If you want to get into the method of victory, Mauricio Lara to win by knockout at minus one 90. Tempted to take Lee wood, but I want to give you a winner this week. And I think Mauricio Lara is just too big a puncher for Lee wood to hang with him over 12 rounds. Those are my picks. Hopefully they're better than last week. That's it for this week's episode my thanks to Dan Kenobi and Alexis Rocha for joining the show, as always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts. And I'll see you next week.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"This is boxing with Chris Manning. Now somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. And we are back. Boxing with Chris mannix, part of the volume sports podcast network called cowherds. Podcast network glad you could join me for this episode where we have some breaking news. I love when that happens. When we have breaking news before the podcast and not after it, we have a deal between Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. for a welterweight title unification fight. The long national nightmare that was Spencer Crawford is over the two will meet on July 29th in Las Vegas all four belts on the line in that fight. Showtime pay per view will distribute ESPN, of course, first to report the news of this story. We're going to get into that. A little bit later in the show, Alexis Rocha, the number one contender, the wbo a 147 pound title, he will join me and talk about what the last couple of months have been like for him. As he is tried to navigate the welterweight waters while Spencer Crawford, we're doing their thing. He is back in action this weekend against Anthony young at fantasy springs in California, stick around for that. Well, as you know, may is a huge month for boxing. You've got Katie Taylor's homecoming in Ireland against chantel Cameron. You've got Devin Haney and Vasily lomachenko for all the belts at one 35. Pay per view is always a great option, but I promise you, there is nothing better than being in person for these title bouts.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"You Cole, but if I could, I would, I could do whatever, because at the base, what I do, I take very seriously and I do very well. Tank is like, yo, I'm very good at what I do. He decides to do a stupid shit, stupid shit outside of the ring. Yeah. But it all comes back to when it's time to get busy. I'm gonna get these knockouts and everything else will figure itself out outside here. Do whatever. Floyd was the same. I couldn't run around, throw money, do stupid shit 'cause I'm very good in here. You can't do nothing about it. And that's what Ryan's missing. You can do all that other shit. If you are very good in dedicated to your craft, and the hours where people don't see you doing wild and stupid shit, you have to be working to get better. That's it. And I'm not sure he does. I don't know. We'll see. We Ryan García, but Derek James is a damn good trainer. He ain't gonna take no bullshit, but and last thing to talk about, someone who does this, Tyson Fury. Wait, wait, you know what we didn't do? We didn't give a prediction for Hanukkah. Oh shit, we did it. I mean, I don't really have a prediction. This is as close as you get to a 50, 50 fight, like for real. I'm going to take Devin Haney today. I've been batting because my head says Devin Haney is going to win. He's younger. He's bigger. He should be able to keep Loma at the end of the jab enough. And then just not get caught. And you should do fine. But my heart says lomachenko isn't that old. And I think he does everything better than Devin hayne. The guy has more popping, even though he's smaller, offensively, I still haven't seen someone move and use those angles and do the shit. Like he's still the matrix. So it's very tough. Lomachenko could come out and completely school Devon. You could. And have Devin lost. Look like he's showing me being a fucking ring. And I wouldn't be surprised. 'cause it's still lomachenko. Today I'm gonna go Devin close decision, but I'm not positive. I'm not either. I was surprised that sports books had lomo tango's a two to one underdog. I was like, really? Take not to crip. Yeah, I mean, that's when I just throw some money at it. Because come on man, Vasily lomachenko, like when he, I think he had his first or second pro fight, we were doing this podcast. And I was like, I'd never seen anything like this from a fighter, his footwork, the way he cuts angles, 'cause it's not about the power. It's the fact that you never see where these things are coming from. Yep. Nicholas Walter spent an entire fight going where the fuck are these punches coming from? And he got fed up and was like, you know what? I'm done. I'm going home. I can't figure out where they're coming from. I don't like it. I'm going home. Devin could find himself in that same spot. He has the size he has to use the jab, he's got the strength. He's got man strength in the 24 year old body. But none of that will matter. If he can't find lomachenko, chasing ghosts. Yeah. If you can't find them, I mean, you know, Christina Ponce chaos her, we love to see the she did the face obviously. He had asked, you know, she had mentioned, this could be a firefight. I don't think there's any way in hell this is a firefight. Devin's too tactical. His market is chess match for a reason. Yeah, there are two bishops on the chess board for a reason. But if lomachenko starts off fast, Devin might have a problem. But I think that the key is who the fuck's a referee, I can't remember. I don't know. But if Devin is able to clinch and people are going to hate me for saying this. But if Devin is able to clinch the way that he wants to clinch and tie up lomachenko a lot and he's been saying it, punching on the break. If he makes sure that none of those can't get off on the break and the referee is now looking for things to happen on the inside, haney's gonna win an ugly decision. And when I say ugly, it might not be wildly entertaining, and it might be a decision where people go, oh, you fought scared. It could be one of those. I'm gonna pick Devin Haney because of that. But if the referee breaks them early or if the referee warns Devin Haney for clinching early, he's in trouble. Yeah, but I think Loma's been kind of like puzzled like, what are you saying? Like me, punching on the brain. He knows. Devin's talking more to the ref. He is through the media. He is too long with. Vasily knows what he's saying, he doesn't agree with it? Yeah. And he doesn't say anything. They're just like, yo, he's trying to set a precedent with his referee. It's smart gaming. This is what they're doing, but if the referee doesn't bite this bait and you see him like Warren Devin early about holding, oh boy, it's gonna be tough. Again, we'll have to see Devin in the place he's never been before. Behind in the fight needing to dig deep and win. And as good as Devin is, lomachenko is leaps and bounds, his toughest competition. Oh, my God. Not like a country mile. We've never seen Devin in the ring with anyone close to the limit. Oh, not the skill set, not even close. George campos was a busy fire. It wasn't wildly athletic. JoJo Diaz had a lot of dog and wasn't wildly athletic. Jorge linares was a really good boxer, but he was kind of on the back end and caught his ass. Yeah. Yeah, and he did catch him. Your who's getting bold wasn't the yo yoga's gamboa that he was 5, ten years ago. So you look at the people that he fought, none of them are remotely close to the skills that they're lomachenko. Like, that's a skill set you can't emulate. You can't find a sparring partner because I love it. I've been to other camps, Robert Guerrero is training for Florida and he was like, get somebody who does the shoulder roll. It doesn't work if they don't know how to do it. Yeah. 'cause then when you see it for real, it's like, I didn't know you could throw this straight right hand from that angle. Well, no shit 'cause you're training partners couldn't do that. He's never seen it.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"The fight. And then it's supposed to be in November cutting weight for November and then having it in December after trailer folds and the zone takes it over. It was the worst circumstances over and fight to just walked away into fuck this. I'm done. I'm moving up. You can have these belts, fuck y'all all. And he didn't. He tried to stick to it and he thought he'd be Cambodia. And he had bad advice. It seems, and then again his whole life was in turmoil around him. As weird as his mental state is and he said some wild shit and the build up of this fight and everything. If he can focus during camp and get his shit together and train right, if his body is right, oh, he'll give Josh Taylor all he can. Can we talk about TO in his comments? Yes, of course. This man said, you guys are promoting all the black fighters. This is the first time in history. Someone is accused, top ranked boxing of promoting black fighters over anybody else. Floyd Mayweather senator going, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, when I heard that, so what hey, I can't remember, was it WrestleMania week that that happened? It was one of those weeks, like we were doing other shit. I can't remember what was going on. But that quote came out and somebody hit me with it, it was like a week later. And I was like, he said, what? And then I read the quote and I was like, um, he's just terribly misinformed. And then his dad comes out, he's like, he didn't make shit, anybody. We love the blacks. Like, thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. Now, granted, we know you grew up in New York, you guys. Yeah, that's some old school. We get it. But that's not what you say. Latinos idea in 2023. That's some real 90s shit. We get it. Like TO's idea that they're promoting the black fight, who? Who is getting this promotion that's so far beyond what tio got an opportunity before all of them? I would argue that he's not wrong, but has nothing to do necessarily with them just like only pushing black fighters. Again, the black fighters are wildly talented. Yeah, it's not like they're bums. Like Shakur Steven said, Jared Anderson is probably the future of the heavyweight division. Keyshawn hasn't made even to the card yet, but he's a silver medalist in the Olympics like TO you are in the silver medalist when you came in. And they still pushed you, but coming into this, you didn't have the credentials of keyshawn. You don't have the credentials which occurred. So we're Mendel is. You don't have the talent of big baby Anderson in the most prominent division in boxing. And they still pushed you. You fought after the fucking Heisman Trophy ceremony. Three years in a row. Three years in the row. In prime time television, were you the fallout after they were like, and there's a husband and now here come see a few on Lopez. You were in the Best Buy then not only that, you fought Vasily lomachenko. When people were like, nah, it's not gonna happen. How do they promote another fighter over you? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? I think he's talking about now. Well, you fucking lost. You lost, you gotta be rebuilt, and they still gave you a world title fight after one warmup fight in a new division. They gave you not a champion. The champion, the champion. In that weight class, and it comes down to he wants to be bigger. And I understand that. But sooner or later, what are you doing to be bigger? I don't like the butt like deal. He has that, his social presence still, you know, the workouts and stuff like that. He does the dances, which he's always done and all this shit. But at this point, you got to go out there and win something again. Yes. Because the Loma fight is so far in the back of people's minds now that they saw you lose camp bosis. They saw you not look your greatest in your last fight and then whisper like, do I still got it? People are seeing these those are the narratives. You have to go out there when changing narrative and then they'll push you to the moon. I just don't what does he mean? Who are they pushing? Because Shakur at the Prudential center? Is that what he's talking about? Yeah. I guess. Do you before? And I mean look at this would have been big room the MSG if not for a technicality. What are we talking about? You know, like what are you complaining about? Beat Josh Taylor and let's have this conversation later. Yep. Like right now, you got to get back on track. And I think he just resigned that deal with top rank. So I don't know why he was talking about like, oh, I'm a leave after this fight 'cause it's not true. Where are you going? No, going for longer? Oh God. But we'll see what happens at teal, but it was like, that was like the four king, it was funny because the four kings was Ryan tank to yo Devin. Yeah. Now it's by tio Shakur. Ryan still hangs around. We'll see what happens with Ryan, which I guess we should talk about Ryan García's new interest. He's become the Anthony Joshua of the lightweight division or with the super lightweight division now. Yes, he has a new trainer, Derek James. Those same place at the end. He's going down to Dallas to train post a picture with him and aero Spence in the gym. The key is that you've got to be there and you got to be locked in. So are you moving to Dallas? I don't know. You don't leave California. I don't know. Yeah, you're going to leave Callie just for camps. That's not going to do it. I don't know, man. It needs to be, he needs to learn and be locked in full time to get better. I think Ryan García is weird. The trainer switch came very quickly, right? Like, you just fired Joe goose in a week after you lost, which was two weeks ago, three weeks ago? Three. The tank fight was three weeks ago. And you just fired Joe goosen. And they say it was amicable split. I say that publicly, I don't know what you said. Then you immediately found Derek James, which means you've had that in this conversation before. Now you get there, James, but the thing is, is like, sometimes I asked fighters is, what do you expect to get out of this trainer? Because sometimes what you expect to get out of the trainer, the trainer can't give you. Yeah. You got to find it yourself. Like, in the case of Anthony Joshua. I don't care where you go. They're not going to teach you how to be a dog. Right? They may teach you different techniques. They may be a better noise in your ear and the corner between rounds. They may instill different techniques, but angle fix your jaw, no. They can fix your conditioning, and I think with Ryan maybe he's looking for someone to have better adjustments in fight. Maybe he felt lost out there against tank. And the tricky thing about Ryan is from day one, I said when he hired Joe goose and I was like, I don't know about this 'cause his problem's not offense. His problem is defense. And Derek James is a very complete trainer, but if you're not disciplined defensively, it's not going to matter at all. And as we saw against tank, he's not disciplined defensively. He still makes the same mistakes. His head is high. His right hand's low. He stands very tall. All those things work against less than 5 years before somebody like Giovanni is going to take you apart. At this point, the trainer change is so that you can get better for the elite fights. You're not worried about the people who are Meryl tearing down. No, you're going to dominate them. And we all know this as well. It doesn't click the first fight. So he's going to have to take a tune up, which could be really Romero. Strangely enough. The champion of a 140 pounds. But it usually, if you talk to fighters, they always say, well, it was different because I have a different voice in my ear. Some fighters have changed bunch of trainers. And it's like, oh, well, this is weird. Think about it. Not a lot of people talk about this, but you remember Devin Haney had Ben Davis in this corner. Yes. And I don't know why everybody fires Ben Davidson, but it seems like it happens all the time.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"So if you can get them all to come to this fight and they're going to bring side 'cause that's what javonte did. Yes. All the celebrities came out and then everything was smart with javonte. We talk about Leonard LB. Shout out to crystal as well, because she does a fantastic job, making sure people are where they need to be because she works at Caleb Plant, making sure he gets his shoes. It's all for the culture. Devin needs that look. Devin, if Devin, Damian Lillard flies in, and you put them all together and you take pictures of them act the fight. And you make sure they're posting on social media. Everyone goes in a locker room. At tank fight everyone goes into the locker room. Everybody got to say what up to the take. Every single person. If you do that, and if we're to beat loans, they go, now you have a problem. A good one, because now he's a star. He just has to hit that level yet. And this is one hell of a fight to roll the dice with. Yeah, he's kind of missing. And it's happening now at top rank and I and Leonard laughed, but I was like, yeah, that's why they have a J prince. Handshake deal. At top rank, he can bring the people that need to be there, their Kanye went to Atlanta to watch her. Fell asleep. Yeah. But he was there. He walked him out. What you need. You need just to see those people just have to be around. And again, now Shakur is selling out. It's his hometown. He's generally selling it out. Yeah. I think he said the Prudential center record before UFC just went. No, I think you have seen him beat it with this last one. So I think Shakur still has that record. So it's one of those things where now when shaker fights a vague as you can do the big room, you at least know the celebs are going to come out. He's building that name that persona. And he's built more so than tank because tank is built more like Tyson. Shakur is building the Mayweather mystique. Yeah, I mean, no one's as talented as him. That's it. $1 million smile. Shakur talks edge. He talks just enough shit, right? Shakura will laugh at you and say some shit. 'cause before I used to do the same thing before I got really aggressive with the later industry. He would laugh and she was like, you fucking can't beat me. Like, what are you talking about? And then people were like, yeah, you're right. 'cause he dragged like Arturo Gotti like Floyd dragged everybody. The way ins for Shakur always so wild because he brings half a brick city with him and they all just yell and wild shit. Yeah. Like, get them cool. You can't fuck with it. I'm like, yo, I can't edit all this. Shut up. They're yelling wild shit. The jamel herring like just touching the belt, like this mine, all this shit just wildly disrespected. And he likes to roll her. So what he does is Oscar Valdez, the smiling everything, is there, but you can tell, like, no, he's coming to fuck somebody up. And that's the other thing. What's the core has done is become an entertaining fighter. Yep. Devin's biggest problem. And it's going to translate in this fight. Devin uses his jab, his size, and again, somebody like Vasily lomachenko, he's going to cling. Any time they get close, he's going to wear on facilities little ass. He's going to tie his ass up. It's going to happen. Devin's not going to allow him to get off on the inside. And it ain't pretty. If you watch what Devin, the linares fight, he did the same thing. Every time a nars got close, he clinched. Push him away, work the jab, work the jab. He got caught that one time, but Devin's fighting style was very, very effective, but where Shakur took a very effective fighting style and made it entertaining. Devin hasn't figured that out yet. Yeah. You've been in the gym with Devin, I've been Jim with Devon. I watch him beat the shit out of people. Yes. He can if he wants. But when he gets in there and he plays a more tactical game 'cause he's like, well, there's judges. And I mean, I love the statement while it's true, why would Devin says about this statement is true, the other side of it is true. People say they don't have knockout power to get in the ring, right? But it's true. You don't have one punch knockout power, right? You do have just enough pop where people go like, I don't want to do it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, Floyd had the same thing. I remember talking to Shane Mosley and was like, she was like, he hit me and I was like, I don't want to deal with that shit anymore. He's like, it doesn't make you discombobulated. It doesn't knock you out, but when Shane, when Shane got hit, he was like, it's stings. And you don't want any more of it. Shakur has that same kind of power. Devin seemingly has the same power, but it's not like he's not going to get a one punch knockout.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"But the thing is with tio is as good as he was in that night. He's falling apart mentally. And he has to pull it back together for this Josh sailor fight. Or else. It's not looking great on that. And if he doesn't, then you look at the losses because nobody somebody Lando solido anymore. And that's what I'm saying, like lomachenko lose these fights and he's basically the guy who made the wave for the new four kings of boxing, right? Because even if he does lose this fight, there's still Shakur Stevens to fight out there. Yeah, she current him gonna get to get busy. You're in a second. Cam Boston signed today to top rank. Yeah, but he's about to be shaker food theater here in a second too. Hey, you get paid, get beat up. It should happen. But this fight is, it's the most significant of all the fights that we've had. Yeah, Ryan and tank was great, face to box and blah, blah, blah, but it didn't mean anything. There's no titles on the line. It was a catch weight. It was a fun fight to see, but it was inconsequential to the lightweight division. This fight means everything to both of these fighters. Even though Devin Haynes 24 and even though he can lose and we like, that's okay. He really can't. No. It's such you so far behind. Right. The other guys, granted, Ryan now has a loss. Tio no has a loss. It kind of just puts you with them, but it takes you far away from tank. Like if you're looking at tank who is now the guy that everybody needs to target, right? Error wants to tank fight and tanks going to pick and choose who he fights and win. And Shakur hasn't gotten to that level yet, but Shakur is going to look at everybody else and be like, well, I'll just beat them all up until I can get the tank. But if you're Devin and you want a shot at javonte, you have to win this fight. Because if you win this fight, one, people are going to everybody's going to say your name. He's the only champion I've ever seen in recent memory at this age, chase challengers. He said that WBC title for four years. And he's called everybody out and nobody was necessarily wanting to fight him. And now he's getting Vasily lomachenko when facilities should be chasing him, but he's chasing Vasily, and then he'll be lightweight undisputed champion. He's probably in college. And javonte is not really going to say his name. But he's a chill. He ain't he's not the draw yet. No, he's not. But I think that was the most poignant thing about his comments at the presser. Was when he was like, yo, I'm a free agent, but I like what top rank has been doing. I like what ESPN has been doing. That's the only difference between his time at his own is time so far at ESPN. Is the exposure was astronomically different. He was on first take yesterday. None of that had, they tried to put them on the Jake Paul Carter Logan Paul Carter. And that didn't help him at all. He went as much as they lined his pockets and that deal was great. Made him will. But they didn't make him a star. No, they didn't know how. No, there was no push for him. And there's no one over there to fight. No. So it's just like what do I do? I mean, they had Ryan, but you know, but now, I mean, Ryan is not taking that fight off the heels of a loss, so if he went back to his own now, what is there for Amy? One 40? And that's not necessarily a fact that I see Devin gonna take immediately. Yeah. I mean, so you gotta find like two, three fights to get one Regis fight. That's tough. All signs point to either goes to PVC showtime or he stays at top right. It just depends on what fights they put in front of him. As the champion he should have carte blanche, he was like, I want this one, this one, this one. Can you get them for me? Yeah. Who can you get for me? Who can you get from? And two, three fights. And then I move on. It's kind of like the Canelo deal, which is crazy because he can do this at 24 years old. The only thing that really hurts Devin is he hasn't figured out who he is on camera yet. It's getting there. He's getting there, but unlike Terrence Crawford, terrified just seems to hate media. And he wears it all over his face. Devin sometimes doesn't know what to do with the media. Now I say this being around Devin since he was 20. And when we had him at the zone, like we did like fight stories, we talked about not going to kid out of shoes and all that shit. And you know, we spent a day with him like, we had a pitch, it didn't come to fruition. He was going to be our intern, because he was like, well, if this box of shit don't work out, I can run our social media channel. He was going to run on social media channel. Him and Bill. And he was, you know, behind the scenes, he doesn't really talk that much. Yeah. He's not like Terence Crawford, ultra competitive, talk shit. He's hilarious behind. But Devin, who he is in camera, is kind of who he is behind the scenes. He's got this very quiet, like he'll talk shit, he'll laugh, but it never, it's not magnetic yet, right? Now, you know, he's dyed his hair a little bit. He's got the fronts, he wears jewelry, does a fast show every time he's on Instagram. If he can pull it all together, he can he still has more like two and a half million followers on Instagram. Yes. If he can pull it all together to be an attraction, because he has to reach that level yet. Everybody's gonna have to fight him. He needs a little more famous friends. And that sounds weird. 'cause the personas there now. Yeah. You just gotta be seen with some people. Well, see, that's the crazy thing, right? Like, he dated black Chyna for a hot second. That was unfortunate. He indie love, I think he's still with. No, I think they just. Do they break up? Yeah. Well fuck it, whatever. 24. Which one? They broke up three months ago. Then if you talk to athletes and ball players, I'll talk about them. Dame Lewis always talked about him. Frank Gore has talked about him. Shady McCoy's talked about him. Just on social media today, top dog was like, I'm putting 20,000 on Devin. They all know who he is.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"So who does the tank fight next? Oh, this is the easy question for me. I think there's one person clear as they should fight next. And a couple other options. But if I had to pick one, I think is not the rematch for Isaac Cruz. I think that's a good plan B 'cause you didn't knock about your hand. You can go out there and show like, no, I'm gonna smoke this guy. I can knock him out when I'm healthy. That's the easy layup. But I think what his next big fight? He's fighting George Campbell's. George Campbell says, this is a fight here in Vegas. It's fighting in Vegas and at the end of July. If I could lose to. You couldn't. But if Cambodia wins, it's a foreign market we talked to Leonard where he likes Tang fighting European fight, you know, UK fighters, it opens their eyes. That brings an entire new country with eyes on you. That guy sold in his country, they'll watch him. Yeah. It's a guy who was an undisputed champion where you can say, look, he had all the belts. If belts matter so much to y'all, I'm finding a guy who just had all the belts. He BTO female Lopez is supposed to be one of the best young fighters. I'm going to go out there and beat him tio cunning. Oh, by the way, Devin beat him twice, but those were boring fights. I'm going to go out there and start him and knock him out 'cause tio knocked him down. Ten can say I'm going to knock him out. At one 35. I think George Campbell says is the best option for him because it gives him a leg up on Devin on tio on everyone else without having to fight them. And that bragging and that different culture is huge. No, I think you're absolutely right. When I saw that Cambodia was fighting in July, and I was like, oh, the time is good. Because to everything you just said, former undisputed champion. And then it's like, oh, I know two guys that you guys want me to fight that already fought him. So instead of fighting them, I fight the guy. Now beat that guy that couldn't be that guy, but I'm gonna beat the shit out of this guy. So then everybody says, oh, 'cause the problem is for both Devin and Shakur are running into the same issue. Shakur more so than Devin. Nobody has to fight you. Yeah, it's always going to be interested in really calling you out. It sounds good in theory, but as much as right now I would say that javonte could probably beat Devin because my concern is never make it caught. You got caught by linares. You'll get caught by a tank. He can out jab him. There's a lot of ways that Devin can win. The risk versus reward, like the best way to put it is javonte fights Devin, Devin robbed the bank over at match room. So Devin's not gonna go to javonte and say, oh yeah, I'll take 70 30. Yeah. I'm the only champion. 50 50. But the pay per view number is between him and Loma and what this does is gonna be so staggering that tank is gonna be like the fuck? Yeah, no. The numbers say 70 30. But Devin's not gonna do that. So instead, tanker fight cambos is probably do like 50,000 less pay per views. A 100,000 less pay per views? And he can George for he was like flat feet. That's it. And Cabot is like, I'll take another payday 'cause this is my last one. This is it. Shakur might fight him after. If he gets knocked out by tank is over. Sure. And that's a nice little run. Shout out to Peter Kahn, who was telling me about George years ago and when George the spiral ladies shouldn't have gotten this far in the first place. Yeah, like, listen, you did your thing. Yeah, cash that check. But tank is not going to fight anybody that's going to take a bigger piece of the pie than what he feels like they deserve. And Devin's coming 30 years generous. Devin's coming for a piece of the pie. Because he's got all the titles. The titles. He's fighting on a pay per view. Yeah. So it's not like he's on his own. He's fighting on a pay per view. You're like, I was on ESPN, my last couple fights. I'm going to be in Vegas too. I could sell here. I'm a draw. No. It'll be interesting to see what the turnout is for handle on the channel because it's a better technical fight. Now, better card. Yeah. If Loma tega were to beat haney, I wonder, Loma's small. Yes. I wonder if tanks like, I mean, let's take a fight them all. I'm not going to say tank. I'm going to say Calvin, the team. Like you should be like, I want to sit back and go, um. Lower take, I'm not saying Loma takes short money. But that to your female fight, he was like, no, I need more money. I was like, yeah, fuck it. I'll take a little less. You give him a little more. Don't go listen. If you tell all my probably like, yo, we'll give you ten. That's what I'm saying. I don't think he'll ask is taint getting 30. 20 5, you know? Because longer should be like, yo, ten? Give me ten. Again, depending on how Loma looks in this fight. I have Loma looks for let's just say he just beats the brakes off a Devon. I don't think it's going to happen, but skill wise. He's on his a game and he went. We've never seen we've never seen Vasily lomachenko. Fight with urgency. We've never seen it. He fights
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"He was blasted out by taya fima Lopez. He was beaten pillar to post by Vasily lomachenko, and I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get excited about the fact that he had a draw against Jose pedraza. That doesn't tell me that he still has something left. This is a bad fight. I don't know how much clearer we need to be. It should not be a ESPN televised main event. I mean, if you want to make the fight fine, but again, I don't think it is, I don't think of it as a main event, particularly when it's taking the place of the potential of the prograde fight. So like you said, I'm just not the Richard Comey is a good dude and he's had a good career and all that, but I mean, but he's got to he's got to do, he's got to do what he did after those back to back losses to Robert Easter and to shafikov. He went out. He won what, four, 5 fights in a row before the Lopez fight, he won a belt. Like he rebuilt himself and made himself viable for that TFE mo Lopez fight. Right now he's not viable. He's not. He looks like and he's fighting at a weight class above what he was at his best at. So I can't go into that fight. I think it's going to be remotely competitive. That's my biggest problem with it. I don't think Comey would be competitive against Ramirez. There's just no real reason to do the fight. I mean, I can not get excited about that one at all. And I like each fighter. I like Ramirez. I like Comey, but the match just feels like we already know the result. I mean, unless he lands that Hail Mary punch on Ramirez, who's always showing himself that a good chin anyway, you already know what's going to happen. I can tell you right now, that fight's like, you know, 8 rounds to two, you know, going to the scorecards. You know, write it down. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. All right, let's move on to some of the chatter going on between Ryan García and tank Davis. Tech Davis had a media workout in Miami this week. Of course, the subject of Ryan García comes up Ryan, of course, has elected not to go ahead with a stay busy fight against barcelo gasta instead to just keep training to go on to the fight against tank, presumably for mid April, though we'll see what happens with tank over these next couple of months. Let's start with Ryan's decision, not to take the stay busy fight. We've heard some criticisms from people like golden boy from Oscar De La Hoya himself. What did you make of Ryan deciding not to fight guest up? I thought it was a very mature decision and the right decision. I told Ryan that myself, you know, Ron and I occasionally will text with one another. I told him that I thought it was a good decision and that it was a mature decision. In my mind, when you do tune up fights, bad things happen.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"No gas tank problems and team fuma Lopez went to the body consistently in that fight. It is slow sander down at all. Santa martini was moving the entire time. The problem is, there was a long period of time where he wasn't throwing at all. So he outlanded or was even to teofimo and punches and only two rounds all fight. You can't win a fight that way. He dropped heel once, scored and knocked down. And then the second one was not scored to knock down. I'm good either. I thought it could have been two knockdowns or no knockdowns. To be honest, 'cause tio female was just kind of going in. Lunging, losing his back, and it was more like a clubbing bow to the side or the back of the head that pushed him down. I'm not sure he wasn't buzzed with either one. He was like, oh, this is a flash knockdown. I was like, I was right there. I kind of thought he was just pushed to the ground. So if there was no knock down score, there was one in one, obviously. I could have went either way. No matter what, knock downs or not, I thought to give a few more one that fight. There's this weird prevailing thought. Especially when the cameras caught TO saying, do I still have it? And people think that he's done or whatever the case may be. But the reality is the sandor Martine is good. He pretty much dominated Mikey Garcia, which a lot of people forget. And Mikey Garcia and the retirement. Yes, he did. And when he stepped into this fight, I knew it was going to be a problematic fight for TF fema Lopez on short notice because like you said, fighting pedraza is somebody that's going to stand with you and you can pick them off. Finding somebody like Martin is going to move around and give you a hard time with lateral movement, not an easy fight. Doesn't mean he a female Lopez doesn't have it. It means the Santa Martin is pretty damn good. There are a lot of people that had sandor martini with either with a draw or a victory. Winning by a round, but I can see sando Martin winning this fight. All these means anything bad for Tia fema Lopez. I saw some people say, oh man, if he fights Josh Taylor, he's going to get whooped. I just watched Josh Taylor had a hard time with Jack Cadillac. So y'all can't tell me that TV and Josh tell it's still a very, very good fight. Gives people trouble. He gives all of them trouble. He does. The issue is is that one 40 is very, very competitive. And I think what a lot of people forget is, yeah, tio is good and we looked at the Vasily lomachenko victory and all of that, but at one 40 would the likes of Regis pro gray with Sandra Martin with Josh Taylor, José Ramírez is still hanging around there, it's a problem division where anybody can lose. It's very competitive. Wasn't that competitive with Terrence Crawford was there, it was a competitive at all. Nobody was there. And Terrence is kind of wiped the division out. But tio, he's got nothing to be ashamed about. I do think there are times when tio fights where I think he believes he's better than his opponent and that he can do what he wants and it doesn't work and you can see it in his face. And it happened with Martina a few times. Oh, this body works in slow him down. The shit didn't happen. He's got to learn how to adjust and fight like he's losing sometimes. If he doesn't do that, when you fight somebody like a Josh Taylor and Regis prograde, he's going to lose. But a loss is going to be inevitable. See if he was not going to retire undefeated, he had a hard time on this particular night. And it is what it is. Tough test, he had a very tough test, and people don't know what sando Martinez, but people are going to start recognized that Santa Martin is a very, very good fighter. Especially in the 140 pound weight class. You mentioned that and the biggest thing with TF fema, and you say this often, people listen to show here this all the time. You're like, guys like Floyd Mayweather, guys like Tyson Fury. They don't need their corner to give them adjustments during fights. They go out there, they process the information. They make all the adjustments themselves, right? The people in the corner say what the fuck they want. It doesn't matter. They kind of just hype them up. Maybe throw one thing out there suggested or not. Floyd wasn't paying attention. I'm in the corner. It didn't matter. You made all his adjustments on his own. TO fema is not that. Not yet. I'm not sure if any of the young fighters are that. Stevenson aside. And even Shakur gets really good corner advice. To your fema in the corner gets, you're beating him. You're on top. This guy can't hang with you. Get him out of here now. Put your foot on the gut. But there's no specifics from his pop. There's no faint to the body now 'cause you've been going to the body and follow up with the right up top. You know, just get him change levels, get his eyes down, drop his hands, come over the top. It was as simple as that. Because he went to the body so much that it was open up, but no one gave him that info. No one gave him the adjustment to the game plan. So he just stuck with the gameplay. And happened to land enough to get the win, I'm not saying his dad has the entirely be out of his corner. If he wants his dad there, he can. The difference in a lomachenko fight is he had another trainer in his corner. Who did a lot of film study who did a lot of work, the man's name excuse me right now. He's like boxing. He was in this corner for the lomachenko fight made a world of difference because you can adjust mid fight and you're getting good cornering. He needs someone a long side his father to be in the ring to have a bigger presence in a bigger voice to really help out. Maybe his father's just on the side and he has a main trainer inside of the ring. And a lot of fighters get to this point in their careers. There's no shame in it. Maybe his dad gets butthurt if he does that, but sooner or later you gotta say, I'm a big boy and put on my big boy pants. This is my career. I ain't kicking you out. You ain't staying at home, but you can't be the a mic. I need somebody else in here. That's gonna give me a little bit more during
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"No, by no means. Then we have the return of the silly lomachenko in New York. Again, a fight to get acclimated again because the Matt was at war. We're about a year. That's a good reason not to fight. Yes, yeah. I mean, if you have to misfits, it's because you went to war. He passed up on a chance to become an undisputed champion. It looked like that contract was right there with Cambodia's, he went and did his duty to his country. But now, wanting this war looks long as fuck. And two, like the country is like, okay, we didn't get invaded and conquered. We kind of held our own. We'll see. For now, go ahead and bring ice to our country. And bring awareness to fender flag in a different medium and go and be a boxing champion again. Like we saw with Oleksandr Usyk. So good good on top rank to give him a tuna fight because I thought it was all bad trying to go into Devin Haney fight right away with no tuna. Yeah, no, it makes sense. It's a famous demeanor tease. I believe he's like almost like a plus a -10,000 favorites, something absurd. Yes, I'm crazy. You know Ortiz just beat jamel herring, but that was very close. It was a slugfest. He ain't lomachenko's level yet. Young kid talent, but all I want to see, honestly, is Vasily lomachenko fight with the purpose. And what I mean by that is, I want him to go out there and make an effort to finish the job. I don't want to see him playing with his food. I don't want to see him. I want to see him get rounds in because he needs to. But I want to see him if he gets an opportunity to finish the fight, finish the fight. He'll have the opportunity. He's going to get the opportunity, but I need to see him follow through. Because if you're going to fight Devin Haney, early next year, you better be on your a game. You can't play with bit of a name. Like we can argue that Vasily lomachenko has arguably the most skilled fighter in boxing today in terms of footwork, ability. We can argue that. If you don't put it together, you're going to get beat by somebody like Devin Haney, because Devin Haynes is really fucking good and he's hungry. I don't know if it's silly when we take it still as hungry as he once was. I think maybe we could have said that before this, I think this should and will light the fire for him again. I hope so. 'cause time is precious. His career, you don't have it forever. And the man was in war. After this, you come back, you know, you're fighting for more than yourself. So there's no taking people lightly. There's no nothing. I do want to see the killer instinct come back. I don't want to see the Comey wave into the corner, you'll stop this or let me take it easy on him. You got the guy hurt. You finish him. I want to see that this weekend. And I think we will this weekend and then setting up amazing fight with him and Devin Haney in 2023. A fight where at least in the board, you know, in the books is bigger than anything 2022 at an offer. Yeah, it could be a very big fight. Devin took care of business. It was up to lomachenko. I'll be watching, so. Yes. Before we go to the Jake Paul card, my only other thing, Nico Ali, is on the opener the Loma card. How good is Nico Ali Walsh now? I mean, he's all right. It's not like they're matching him up properly. Let's say that, right? Like he's getting the right opponents to look good again so exceed expectations. The expectation shouldn't be too high on Nico Ali wells. Grandson Muhammad Ali for those who don't know. But, you know, you got to kind of ride the wave off your name.
The Corner
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on The Corner
"Winner of Amy and Loma. Immediately. Like right out the gate. And. I wouldn't be surprised if that's Loma. Because the belts would be within top rank still and it makes it easy immediate and undisputed fight courtesy. And I really like Devin Haney. I really like it. Below misses toughest test. It's a true chess match. They're both really good. And haney doesn't necessarily have the power to keep Loma off of them. So now you're just test master versus chess master. And that's when it comes really hard with it. If you don't have nothing to back them up or to deter him from really fighting his style, I don't know what chance you have. So I one 35 haney might be the more ideal matchup for a guy like when we change compared to all the young guys. Even people who are on this talented, right? Like even tank, I give a shot because it's like that power is next level. So I think Loma might be there for Kirk Stevens. It's possible it depends on how Loma looks his next fight. We got to remember that Devin Haney is in 25 yet. Devin Haynes undisputed champion, he made the work with campos, this looked very easy. The jab is excellent. Stops campuses, by the way, if they were to fight. It depends. See, I keep telling you about Loma Chang. He doesn't finish his food. So I don't know if he stops him. He plays games when he fighting. He should be finishing guys, but he doesn't. And that's my problem with lomachenko. So if you fight somebody like Devin Haney, I don't know how that fight goes. I'd like to see how they both look in the next performances. If haney finishes campos in the rematch 'cause, you know, I don't know what George is going to do any different. Devin's been in there for 12 rounds, 36 minutes with him. He knows what is coming. He might be able to finish him. But I'm more concerned with how Loma looks. Lomas don't spring chicken either. I need him to get some kind of killer instrument in terms of talent. He is the most talented in terms of his offense, though the angles that he cuts his footwork, but dog, you gotta finish some people. And I don't know if he's got the power to keep Devin off of him. That's the other question. So I'm very intrigued by that, but in terms of Shakur's path, man, I don't know. It all depends on what happens with Ryan, tank. You got other guys coming up like Michelle Rivera. You have, you know, JoJo Diaz, the Peter. There's a lot of people there that Shakur could possibly fight, and I don't know if he goes from Richard Comey right into the winner of haney lomachenko. It could, if he has to wait the beta would be the guy. But you know, who knows, what is Devin Haney? If Devin Haney beats Vasily lomachenko next year, if that fight comes together and he beats him. And he's a free agent. Again, that makes it even more difficult for land that fight. Now my man's vacating all the belts. If Haiti wins and can take off, he's vacating all belts going to one fourth. Ain't shit left at one 35. Chase me to one 40. Unless Ryan Gosling lets you fight Ryan García for a big bag. I think they just end up finding a one 40. This possible. Again, I just do not know right now there's too much up in the air and the lightweight division to figure it out. So we'll see. I mean, I like Shakur a lot. It's just no clear path as of today to become an undisputed or a champion because even then, if Devin and Vasily clash, at some point, there's going to be number one contenders are going to have to get their crack at Devin as well. It all comes as a mandatory right now. And then, yeah, so there will be mandatories. And you can only hold them off for so long, right? So it's going to be interesting to see how they handle Shakur Stevenson. And how the other people at one 35 handle it. Because one 30 was an easy path to undisputed. But he outgrew it. So now I dispute it for him there. He could be a one 35 for a while. Because he is too big for one 30, but he ain't overly big to be one 35, one 40. He's going to be around here for a long time. Around these weights. Possible. I think it all depends on where the money's at as well. At some point, he'll probably jump to one 40 for everybody else is there. No, of course. Yeah. But his body's not going to force him out of any more divisions. No, no, no. He'll be comfortable with the weight where he is and at one 40 for the foreseeable future. So plenty of good matchups there. Let's hit the brake real quick when we come back. We're going to talk about the other fights from this weekend and which are Mayweather's exhibition to Joyce. And then we'll talk about the fight name that might not be, depending on who you talked. Glimmer of hope if you listen to Eddie hurt. So we'll talk about that when we come back. Don't go anywhere and be right back after this.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Magnitude. What I worry about is kind of what you guys are saying. Like Fernández, what I know about him, you mentioned Chamberlain Barack, I also know this guy has worked under a lot of Cuban coaches and I don't know if I want to see Joshua going up against usyk with a Cuban style of boxing. I want to see Anthony Joshua using brute force. I want to see him taking the fight to usyk and trying to just knock his head off. I don't want to see him boxing him from the outside, relying on footwork. That's not going to work against Alexander usyk. He's too good to beat that way. So the history of what we know of Fernández, that's what worries me. You're right. I agree with you. And I have to admit that that was my first thought too. When I saw Fernández, I was like, okay, I thought a solace, and I said, okay, and then you hear, that's that Cuban style, and then you hear him say, well, you know, I like to focus on technical technical work, balance, footwork, stuff like that, angles, and all of that is cool, but when you think about what Eddie reynoso said, anyone else has said, I think Joshua can beat him right now. Joshua could be usuk right now. You just have to play that part that he is. He's a big man. The same thing you did against guys like white, that's what he needs to do. Pressure him, you know? And so it's really already inside Joshua. I believe a trainer just has to bring it. I agree with you, Barack. I mean, I don't think he needs to learn so much. Look, he's the type of guy that is a thinker. So he wants to get better every fight, every training camp. It's just who he is as a fighter. But sometimes I think somebody has to remind him, listen, you just need to be to your point, Barack, the Dylan white guy, the guy that fort Molina, the guy that is a truck, a tank. There's going to withstand whatever usak has and just be a bigger man. So in reality, he doesn't need he needs to be an O AJ. And if you learn something on the way with a new trainer, fine, but AJ needs to be himself. And I think that that would give him the best chance against us. You know, we're all hoping for the best when it comes to ags and usic and what's going on in the Ukraine. If he can't fight on the timetable that Josh and Eddie Hearn have kind of mapped out in their minds, that might out turn out to be professionally speaking, good for Anthony Joshua. To get a warmup fight against someone that vaguely resembles Alex and user, that was nobody that actually does. I mean, he's an Olympic gold medalist, a pound for pound type of guy, but like name the jumps to mine like Eddie chambers or something like that. Not Eddie chambers because he's long since done. But like somebody that's like a 6 foot two 6 foot three boxer puncher that you can kind of work out some of the stuff with your new trainer. That might make some sense. Well, now let's see too tall, right? Like he's like, that's more like prepare for fury kind of thing. Like, I want to see, I don't know who fits that criteria today's heavyweight division. And that's also not a serious threat. That's the other thing too. You don't want to be taking on somebody that might beat you. So you know what I say? I say he go with Joe Joyce. You know why? Because I don't think he should try to prepare for usyk right now. I say go with somebody who you can possibly get the win, it'd be ugly and it gives you more confidence. And if Joshua's already saying, hey, I box Joe Joyce years ago when I stopped him in the first round, I'll do the same thing again. We need that Joshua to come into the ring again, fighting us. And I think that Joshua will perform better against usyk, whether you're training for that particular style now or not. That's a good point. And it's a really fun fight, and it's a really lucrative domestic fight. I mean, whatever Joshua in dussek did back in the day, Joyce is tough to knock out, man. You better be in shape when you take on Joe Joyce and you better be ready to have sore hands when you take on the head of steel. It's a brick that's out there. I think some of his offense is his face because he can take any shot, you know, he can take any shot and give it back. But then again, it's Josh. But as long as as long as it's as long as that rematch clauses protect it, where usa can not fight anybody else before fighting Joshua then I would take that chance to fight somebody else. But if it sails away, that's gonna be a problem. He needs to get a shot at getting all those straps back. Yeah, no question about that. All right, as people that have listened to this podcast know, I am talking to the president and vice president of the javonte Davis fan club here. I'm not sure which one is which aka Barack. Davis is back on May 28th. He's gonna take on Raleigh Romero. That's a rescheduled fight that was scrapped after Romero was accused of sexual assault, late last year. We can talk about Romero and what kind of fight that is. But my question for you guys as it always is. Is this the year that we see now 27 year old javonte Davis in a significant fight? And by significant fight, I mean Ryan García. I mean Devin Haney. I mean Vasily lomachenko. If he wants to go up, George Campbell's as well. Don't discount him because he has all the belts at one 35. If jarvan wants to go up to one 40, any of those big dogs at 140 pounds. Do you guys have confidence? And can you say with confidence that this is the year that that happens? I would say, yes, first off, we have to understand it. A lot of guys are busy right now. We all know Ryan García is fighting on the night. We all know we have Devin Haney trying to secure the cambos fight, lomachenko is in the mix as well. So it's not like he has a tons of options right now, and I think the Romero fight is a good stay busy fight, even though, you know, Rolly doesn't have a shot in the world to beat tech Davis. I don't care. It's different. I'll get ah, I'll give it to you. It's different. I feel differently about this fight now than I did last year. Last year, at the time they booked the fight. Everybody was available. Ryan was available. Taya female kind of available because of all the things going on with that kimbo spy. Haney was available tweeting about it. Now, those guys are not available at least on this timetable. Yeah, so it makes sense. You're okay with that fight. And obviously, that fight, you know, a lot of social media action going on. I think it's a fight that people are going to watch. And I think he should not roll it out within 6 rounds. It's my opinion, which people like to see that. Regardless of who you fighting, if you're a draw, we know he's a drawer, a knockout victory. I think it's going to serve him well, but I do. To answer your question, I do think that at 135 pounds, javonte will fight a big name this year. He's already said he wants to, you know, he'll fight camp bosses or any of those guys. I know, I know it's just talk, but I think sometimes in the fourth quarter, we're going to see a huge javonte David's fight against one of the names you're comfortable with. I'm predicting it now. Well, yeah. To answer your question, Chris, no, I'm not confident because there's no evidence. There's no evidence that leads us to I'm just guessing. Oxford prediction just came out of nowhere. That's just the prediction. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's a psychic prediction, but there's no evidence that leads to that. When your promoter says, hey, we're going to look for fights that are in-house. Where do you go from there? And it's funny because when he said that, roli was not somebody that anybody wanted to see, fight javonte Davis. It took time of rolling to talk his way into us accepting that because now it's that Jake Paul syndrome, we want to see somebody fight him. We want to see somebody hurt him because he's talking a lot..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Didn't necessarily become chambers, but became top contenders working with guys like Chris Arreola, for example, in the heavyweight division. Here's the one thing you know about Joe Gus, if you're going to train with him, you're coming to his gym and do things his way. He's not a guy that packs up and goes to a training camp in the mountains for 6 months or three months or whatever. But Joe made the commitment to Ryan García to leave. His home area in Los Angeles and go to San Diego. You know, three or four hours away. Leave his family, and he's going to go live in San Diego and do his thing with Ryan García. I don't remember, I mean, correct me if I am wrong, perhaps somebody out there listening, but I don't remember the last time Joe gruesome packed the bag and left and went to somebody else's training camp instead of having them come to him. Now, I don't think it's, look, Joe has been around a long time. It's not like he's dying for the money, okay? I think he genuinely believes in Ryan García's talent. And that was one of the stipulations. Look, I want to work with you. I hope you want to work with me, but if that's the case, we have to do it in my gym in San Diego. And Joe made the decision that it was worth the time and effort. That's how much he believes in the kid. Yeah, he really does. And he said this subsequently and I remember him saying it to me a couple of years ago that and I took it as hyperbole at the time, but he believes Ryan García at his best can not be beaten. Like he really believes that. I will see, but it's everybody can be beat, but I hear what he's saying. I don't think he was saying that even about Diego corales or certainly not Chris areola. He just seems to believe there's something in Ryan García's skill set that makes him unbeatable if he's at his best. So I'm very curious to see how that dynamic works out beginning April 9th against one thing about it, Chris. I know this. Ryan García will get the very best of what Joe's got to offer. You know, he's not a guy that cuts corners, his reputation has never been a guy that just rests on the laurels. He's gonna get everything he's got, you know? Yeah, including maybe a denim jacket, but he can roll into the ring with as the Joker. That's a whole other podcast. You're doing Joe's fashion choices. Exactly. All right, let's talk about George gambos. The lightweight champion who seems to be zeroing in on his next fight as we well know the first two options, the main options for Cambodia were a unification type fight against Devin Haney that would settle the WBC championship once and for all and a title defense against Vasily lomachenko. Now in the last few weeks, Ryan García, a some kind of arrangement there has emerged as a possibility. I saw Oscar De La Hoya tweeting out on Wednesday night. The most lucrative option for you is Ryan García. I don't really disagree with that necessarily, but I don't think that's a front burner type of thing for Cambodia. It sure sounds like Dan, that Cambodia is closing in on a deal with vasili lomachenko..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"vasily lomachenko" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Hard time getting fights? Because Demetrius Andrea is too damn good. He's too damn left handed. He's too damn experience. He's too damn disciplined. He's too damn scaled name one, but everything starts with two damn because he's that he's that good. He's that avoided. And he doesn't take chances. I mean, he's disciplined. He doesn't take chances, and he's a SAO Paul. So he'll pick you apart from that southpaw stance. And he won't he won't he can knock you down he can hurt you, but he'll go after the knock down for I mean the knockout for a little bit. If he doesn't get it, he goes back on the stick and gets back on cruise control. That's discipline. You might call it boring, and you know what? If you want the big fights, you're going to have to get out of that element. So, you know, I think he realizes that now. But he puts it back on cruise control and it takes so much discipline for a fighter who has a fighter down he has a fighter hurt multiple times in the first two three rounds for him not to go for the knockout because you don't get paid for overtime. You don't get paid for rounds, get the job done and get out of here. And that's how you get the big fight, but Android, he's already satisfied. He's already content with what he made of his career. He's in his 30s now. He's made he's made a lot of money, especially with match room and especially with his own later part of his career. He's held down to that championship without beating any champions. Think about that. He's a world champion. He's defended it multiple times, but he hasn't faced one world champion. If you look at, if you ask any fighter, what do you want to be? What do you want? What do you want to get out of boxing? Well, I want to become a champion. Check. Andrew did it. What do you want to do? Why want to make millions of dollars? Check. Andre did. What else do you want to do? Well, I want to fight the best. That is not checked on Android's par. But then that, he's having a hell of a career, and he's laughing all the way to the bank, and he's going to go down as a two division champion. Maybe even undefeated in a blemish. But he's not going to have that name on his resume. And that bothers every factor. That bothers him. Because not for nothing, man. It's not for nothing. I'm not comparing myself to anybody, but shit, man, I got two Hall of Famers on my resume. I fought the great chain mosey and I fought the great burning forest. So not for nothing. You got people look at my career. Oh, he's a pretend he's a contender. He didn't hold on to the title long. Hey, man, but I got some I went one in one and one with two Hall of Fame. So at least people are going to associate me with a reality show and two great fighters. So that's what he's missing that association with a great fighter with a great name and we all need that B side. He doesn't have it. Demetrius Andrade is one of the most avoided fighters in boxing history. And that might sound hyperbolic. But look at some of the other guys of this era that have been avoided. Eris landy Lara was avoided for a lot of you. But Lara got a fight with Canelo. That was a huge opportunity for him. Guillermo riggin Dow, southpaw, avoided for a lot of years, but eventually he got that huge showdown with Vasily lomachenko. You can go back even further. Pernell Whitaker was a guy that was avoided by a lot of fighters over the years. Got his opportunity though against Oscar De La Hoya among others. Demetrius Andrade has not gotten that opportunity. That to me is in some ways inexplainable because Android while he is a southpaw and extremely talented has a belt and he's got money behind him. You are going to make a career, high purse. If you face Demetrius Android, Eddie Hearn, allegedly, made an offer to Jamal Charlotte for $7 million to fight Demetrius Andrade, and he turned that down. That is wild to me. I can't fathom a fighter doing that when so much money and prestige is on the table. All that being said Sergio career high purse having to deal with a southpaw curse. Okay, but that's why these guys rather look in another direction because I mean outlaw should be banned or outlawed. That's what Mickey's self and rocky southpaw thought should be outlawed. And that holds true. That holds I mean that line was written in the 80s by Stallone and it still holds true now, especially south puzzled in an Olympic pedigree now. If Android fought like rocky Balboa, you bet everyone would be running towards that belt, but he doesn't. Well, there's my follow-up here. And raid has been his own worst enemy. If androids fight against Walter kawa ends in the fourth round, it's a different story. If Android's fight against matcha soletsky ends in the second round, which it could have, it's a different story. If Andrade's win over Luke. The first round, but I understand those three. Andrea had him down what like 15 seconds into the fight. If he had put keeler down and out in the first round, it's a different story. You know why Gabe rosado earned the fight with Jaime McGee? Not because he beat back to America. Because of the year. He flattened him with a knock out of the year type of fight. Maybe there was a little bit of luck to that punch, but he knocked him out, and that's why he got the fight against him in McGill. I know you agree with me that if Android went for more knockouts and picked up more knockouts, we would be talking about a completely different career path. He would have gotten at least one or maybe more of the signature fighting. I agree with you there, but I don't agree with you that, you know, there's no luck in boxing. There's no lucky shot, the result of time. There are lucky shots. No, there's this lock. No, there's not. And you know nothing about luck or fighting. But Android on the other hand, he does know about boxing and he does know about being lucky because he's unblemished to this career. He's been a U.S. Olympian. He's been a world champion in two divisions. He's making that. He's making millions of dollars and you know what? He's following the right game plan. No, he made his own luck. He made his own look. And right now he's making his own decisions, and they're just not going his way on the elite level. Okay, so make yourself androids manager here. Against Jason quickly, what do you want to see him do? Well, quickly has been stopped by a fighter that switches into Rihanna Johnson. I think he was nailing him with overhand lefts and rights from a southpaw stance. We have a big, a bigger, taller, São Paulo natural sample in Android, who slings his shots as well. So I would say start fast like he normally does, and when, not if, when he catches quickly and rocks him, go for the stoppage. Now, this is gonna be a little bit dangerous because quickly is an excellent excellent boxer puncher with heavy hands and amateur pedigree as well. So he'll love that opportunity to catch Android and going for the finish. Just like Andy Lee, who's now in his corner, did when he when he won the championship or against korobov. You know, he rocked them when he got rock. So yeah, anytime you're dealing with a fighter with a lot of experience and with power behind them, they have that lucky. Well, I'm sorry. See you said it. That's the word you just you're lucky I said it. Now they have that one bullet in the chamber. Yeah. Look, if he comes out with the same success early on that he had against captain dakwa and keeler and soletsky and several other fighters along the way, he's got to close the show. Like he has got to make concerted effort. This has to be his statement, because one thing that's works for Android, I think. Is that if Canelo was really serious about fighting a Cruiserweight. All of a sudden, all those guys that have been kind of waiting for that Canelo lottery ticket, they'll look over something else. You know, golovkin if he beats burrata. He's available. Hi Miami, going.