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Right Person for the Right Job
"Let's go ahead and shift and start talking of. Yeah the article. I am curious. Article basically is fairly recent piece. It is from twenty nineteen and it is by rayton yellow bec- and wrap t and so the article is called fit perceptions work engagement satisfaction and commitment so very straightforward title. Unlike many that we often see And it was published in the journal of managerial psychology. Which we don't usually pull many articles from but i thought that this one was a really good just kind of straightforward streamline message about the importance of a person job fit to help. Everyone understand why you should be interested in that topic awesome. Yeah so you're telling before we started recording. This is pretty straightforward. So what money give us some definitions. I or sure and then we kind of dive into it. Yes absolutely so. Let's talk first about fit so there are different types of fit that you can have on the job so you can feel that you fit well with your supervisor. You can feel that you fit well with your co workers. You can feel that you fit well with your group or your team The ones that we're gonna be looking at today are feeling like you fit well with your job and feeling like you fit well with your organization and so those are actually two of the most prevalent or they are the two most prevalent types of fit. That i've been studied in the research and particularly fit to the job has been studied with a lot of. There's been a lot of focus on that in the research and it is important that you fit with your supervisor you fit with your co workers. You fit with your team but in studies that have looked at them all together. It seems like person job fit and person. Organisation fit tend to be Have have stronger relationships with some important outcomes Than other types of fit as well so they they are quite important and so let's talk about what they mean so person. Organisation fit is the compatibility between a person and their organization so that the organization provides what the person needs and that they feel that they share fundamental characteristics with the organization so something about the organization represents who they are as a person And that the person also represents the organization so they sort of share similar values basically is. Po fit And they might also share similar like beliefs. They might have similar goal sets things like that. So sort of the culture of the organization and the value of the organization fit with who the person is. And that's person organisation fit. And i think an important thing here is As people are thinking about this idea it's not just the culture is obviously important that you feel like it's culture that you like you're getting the theory leads met but sometimes you can be in a place where you've got a great culture but there's something about the values don't align with you can still make you feel a little iggy. So he met value piece is really important. You wanna make sure that you're aligned to what the organization is doing or you believe in the mission to some extent To really have a strong person organisation fit. Yeah and i mean you can think about this. There's actually a case that was done at jewel which is like the vaping company and their culture as a company is really positive but they lose people because people can't get on the board on board with the mission of selling people on vaping right now the way that they reframe it for people is that it's for you know they try to say that it's four people who smoke and they're trying to get people who smoke nicotine off of nicotine onto jewels rate or not nicotine who smoked tobacco off of tobacco that goes in your lungs etcetera and onto jewel but there's also like heavy marketing towards you know people that don't smoke already and so people that's an example of a place that as a case that they use in business schools A place that has a really good culture but they lose people due to the values pretty frequently interesting. I'm glad you had a case. Speak to that like some examples in my head but Some that. I wasn't necessarily as excited to share because i know people that were concerned places. But i don't know anyone who works at so i don't care i'm so so so yes. So that's we're gonna nation. So it's more like a broad-based. I stands for and i like the culture here Person job fit is basically a similar idea but between the employee and their specific job and there are sort of two components that make up person job fit. So one is that i have. What the job requires. So what's needed to do the job. I possess so my knowledge skills abilities and other sorts of things mash with what's required for me to do the job so my personality meshes what i know how to do. My skillset meshes well with what's required to do the job at another piece is that this job has what i need in order for me to feel fulfilled and that could be with regard to i get the recognition that i need. I have working conditions. That i like. I have pay. I appreciate i see myself as having career advancement in this job. So it's not just about the tasks duties and responsibilities. Do i feel like i can perform them. Well but also do. I feel like i have other things that i would need out of the job itself that fulfil what i want out of my career. Yeah and that kind of ties into the piece of. I know how to do a task but for the task is really boring to me too. That's another important part. I know i can count marbles all day long like to be able to count them. I have the capacity to count. But i would be so bored and it wouldn't be engaging me i wouldn't feel the challenge that i need or you know. Be making an impact. That i need or something like that and those those components are important. So i think that's a really good point that it's you know it's not i mean the definition is not just around you. Can you do the work. But is that work also going to be meaningful for you.
Washington DC, Maryland and Virginia flunk report on restricting flavored tobacco products
"Team Vaping, some places they're doing a better job than others, and we're hearing the D. C. Is getting dinged for not doing a great job. It's one of the new categories. The American Lung Association Association looked looked at at this this year year in in its its state state of of tobacco tobacco control control report report access access to to flavor, flavor, tobacco tobacco products products and and Vaping Vaping among among youth. youth. The The district district doesn't doesn't have have any any restrictions restrictions around around flavored tobacco products and does receive an F there. Alex Casper's the director of advocacy and says with higher tobacco taxes in D. C. And a bill in the works to remove flavored products. There's some progress, but she hopes to see more funding for prevention efforts were confident that the district and continue to be on the forefront of tobacco control and can move forward with removing flavored tobacco products from the market. Maryland also received an F for flavored tobacco products, but in a for smoke free Air Melissa how old W T
Washington DC, Maryland and Virginia flunk report on restricting flavored tobacco products
"Is lagging in its efforts to keep teens from Vaping. It's one of the new categories. The American Lung Association looked at this year in its state of tobacco control report access to flavor, tobacco products and Vaping among youth. The district doesn't have any restrictions around flavored tobacco products and does receive an F there. Alex Casper's the director of advocacy and says, with higher tobacco taxes in D, C and a bill in the works to remove flavored products. There's some progress, but she hopes to see more funding for prevention efforts here, confident that that district and continue to be on the forefront of tobacco control. Can move forward with removing flavored tobacco products from the market. Marilyn also received an F for flavored tobacco products, but in a for smoke free air Melissa how old W T o Beanies
Greek Mythology Sites
"East and the other one towards the west. They flew around the world and they both met above the site of delfi when zeus all where they met he said. Okay this is the center of the earth so he took these giant stone and throw it there and from that point they say that the naval of the world was created and that was the site of delfi. Now there was an oracle there. Yes so how did that. How did the gods speak to the people at delfi. The story says that the people at that time which is around eight of years before the birth of christ they started seeing their goats going up on the cliffs and then hoping very happy very enthusiastic so the goat started hopping after visiting delfi yup and they followed them and they realized that they were inhaling. This vapes so vapor is coming out of the world out of the earth like a crack in the ground. There's a crack in the ground. And the ideology of managed to discover with geologists the managed to discover rox with signs of specific chemical contents of fumes. That will come okay so they realized that there was something magical. Competent back then signs was not as developed as it is now that they believe that this was a divine sign so everybody is believing. The gods are speaking to the people through a crack in the earth in delfi up in the mountains north west of athens and then how did the people who were in power capitalize on that to take advantage of that delfi became the most important placing the ancient world. Everybody all the kingdoms they would go there in order to find out. They should go to war if they should do. Big public works whatever. They had to decide if they felt. It was a very important decision. They would go there and nas the oracle for advice. So it's going into this mysterious temple and you've got priestesses and robes and crazy things and they really think this is the the oz on earth there would be these young girls that were inside special rooms underneath the temple of apollo and they would inhale vapes and starts talking in a way that no one would understand so they had priest that would decipher. We got to decipher as he wanted to today as a tourist. What do we see in delfi. Philippos see the ruins of the temple of apollo was the treasurer of the athenians. Which is building that the erected in order to commemorate because they took a lot of money. I suppose what's on the to the horse. Yeah so every city stayed with covid tone treasury the athenian you walk up to the temples and the theater and race course and so on and you pass all these temples that were treasuries collecting all that money. it's a fascinating place to check out one of the best sites from ancient greece. This is travel with rick. Steves with johanna wanna costa and phillips kind of cars. We're talking about greek mythology from the travelers point of view. You wanna if you're taking groups around whereas one site that you like to take groups where you really want to understand the greek mythology behind it. There are so many. It's all over the country wherever you were wherever you see mountains plans. Everything has a mess behind it. But there's a part of the peloponnese peninsula which is really unknown to the people come into the country. The heart of the peloponnese. The area called acadia very rich mythology over there. And one of my favorite stories is the story of where the name came from. So there was zeus. Who was a playboy. He was always in love with many women. Herro was his god. His wife hera okiro once fell in love with a beautiful girl. Her name was callisto and She got pregnant and hero found out and she really got mad. So zeus change their woman. Kelly stole to bear an animal and she was wandering around the mountains. The beautiful forest server. Katya she before that i should add. She had a baby and the baby grew up. His name was cass. He became a very good hunter growing into the forest and one day there was a bear right across from where he was so he took out his bow and arrow he was ready to hit the bear. The zoo so what is going to happen was horrible so he immediately changed the boy to a little bear as well
TikTok deal deadline not extended, but talks expected to continue
"Tiktok can what what the hell was. Is this all just kabuki theatre like was there any substance to this at all. Do we expect this to never be brought up again. What do you think well recording this. On december fourth which i think is a new deadline for for for the tiktok deal to go through. It's pretty fascinating. Because obviously the trump administration did not really care about tiktok. it was clearly a it was always evident. That was a a thing. They thought was beneficial to them to talk about politically And now they've moved onto to imaginary fraud. And there's no one there to push this through but there are thoughtful people who say yeah. There's really is a problem with tiktok. being essentially a chinese company ben thompson is one of them And so something should be done here. There's a whole wider sort of us. China thing gets worked out so this is just vaping and bam nothing not in the morning I do think that assuming this gets sort of left on the biden administration's desk that it doesn't go away and that they'll be some kind of change to tick tock. I don't know if oracle and walmart being sort of investors have operators is. This is the is the solution in clearly. Tiktok doing just fine Even though it has an issue
Abortion on the ballot in Colorado and Louisiana
"On the ballot this year. K Away News Radio's Chuck Clark is live of that story. April, Our state's going to be the first ever to vote on some pretty important issues. Proposition 1 13 would pave the way to elect a president by national popular vote and is the first veto referendum to be certified for the Colorado ballot since 1932 Proposition 1 14 whether to reintroduce wolves into the state proposition. 1 18 whether to enact paid medical on family Leave program. There's proposition 1 15, a ballot measure that would impose a ban abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy. And there's also measure that would approve a maximum single bet limit of any amount and expand allowable games and Blackhawks, Central City and Cripple Creek. Don't forget about proposition he approval would increase tobacco tax and create a Vaping tax and locally. Voters in Denver have another of referendums, including removing the pit old band and there's legal representation program for older runners facing eviction. And there you go, definitely a big ballot. With some big issues. Chuck Clark away NewsRadio Turnout has been strong so
DEA Hosts Drug Take-Back Event Across SoCal including Los Angeles
"People in so Cal could do their part to make sure potentially dangerous drugs stay out of the wrong hands. People in L. A county with extra expired or unwanted prescription drugs, Khun get rid of them at specific sites this weekend in honor of national drug Take back day, people can even drop off Vape pens, drug patches and other related products. The DEA began holding drug take backs 10 years ago to provide the public with a more secure means of disposal. Some drop off locations include the San Gabriel Downey, Montebello and Burbank, Police departments and the Santa Clarita Sheriff's Station. People confined a site closest to them on DEA, take back dot com. Rob Newton Care
Interview with Low Steppa
"Massive stuck spe has behind me. I did a livestream. An okay. Yeah it was up. It's been a long time. I did it's been forever and I don't know I mean have you. Ever actually like talked on the phone or anything, no member we used to we used to chat online when I lived in La Yeah in two thousand twelve. Both doing crazy fast. sped moment on tall things. Like. That's absolutely right. Bad. Yeah. That's it's such. A funny period like doesn't that just seems like another lifetime now Eight dollars an. Hour for. In the music was fun at the time but. I really believe what I do now is a bit more time less like I wouldn't go back and listen to. Think, high's music is a is a lot more a lot longer life span on. Glad I ended up. Doing nine basically. Well Yeah we'll. We'll talk about all of that for sure I mean I was just stoked to have you odd man. Thank for doing this in the first place not someone. Oh. My God Tel Aviv and I mean, how? How has your year been because I mean for you? You know I mean you just released the boiling point album, which is I mean that's a big deal for any artist I. Think for for what you've been doing. That's kind of like a benchmark moment but then we're in this weird time in the world right? It was meant to be probably the best year and We had to cancel half the album to album was coming out at the end of March. So we we come soda and but it's a funny one because it's a bit like it's a great time to release music as well as being a bad song because you can't really benefit off. Getting, loads of bookings off the back of your album when his notebook ins. Much doing I'm actually doing a few things lately outdoor things. Yeah it's not the same bombing still Scott veto and it's better than nothing. Yeah. Well, when you say you've been doing stuff have you been late are outdoors shows that are happening over in the UK? Yes. Lhasa idea to and you capacity car park and everyone was. Set in these little metal so a cages. Saddam Dune a bigger one with Jonas blue, which which is more in the country. saw it up. North. It looks really Nice Scott Stream flowing through it like between the DJ in the crowd and. So that's good. That's great. For Dj's you don't want to interact with anyone because there's a river separating. So. We lose call I'll say everyone sat on tables and then. The Saturday after similar one down Saif. Paperless starting to do stuff but the winter's come inside don't know what that means. Really. Yeah. I mean there's been some of those. I'm in Washington DC I. Know I should have you been there for that where you were back in the day no I've Kinda bounced all over I've been in DC now for about a year and a half before that I was in San Diego and I back when you and I were talking, I was probably still living in Chicago back then so I bounced around a little bit. Think. You're American. Oh really. Where did you think I was from? The French. French awesome in. All right. Yeah thought you'd moved from somewhere to America? Now I'll take it man. I'll lean into that. That's great. He's probably all that Jack Daniels or used to drink. Fish. Are you are you off project Daniels now hostility during but not not a lot but I don't J. Daniels and I remember back in the day there was some there was some. Times at Avalon in Hollywood and stuff fly that it was. Fun. Miss some. Signs a bit of a mess right now. Yeah. I mean here in America we've got kind of a perfect storm of the pandemic mixed with with trump, which is its own nightmare and you know it's you're kind of seeing like the decline of the American Empire Right now so it's it's just a bunch of shit happening all at once you know people are becoming much more aware of like the racism in this country and it's all happening at the same time. So it's with all of it on top of each other I mean, how has it been in the UK what's the? What's the mood over there? I'll think. Think paper a little depressed really because. It's just so dragged on iron. Eight. So my slyke nothing's changing fast. It's am I it's nor it's gay normal Iran, and even when paper during these events allow vape lawyer that's rubbish in ice of a guide and it's sad because right now, I can't see them letting clubs, I've paypal sweats and all ivory. Anytime say Moi worries for next year because if next year suffers hits a bit like these big companies that do all these big festivals, they gonNA thing. Let's do something else. You no longer pay for going to hang around to make no money I'm hoping next year things Greenfield's of their line up for next summer Kazakh Wisconsin obviously this summer so that people are not like they are expecting to do things but The job is to think of the government don't care about. They saw this Paul Life Really. Yeah. I mean I should cause always say it makes a lot neighbor hates obviously not their priorities it for young people to have fun. Yeah.
Prof. John Flood, Professor of Law and Society at Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia. - burst 01
"Welcome to the site of accents podcast. Where we explore emerging ideas from signs, policy economics, and technology. My name is Gill eappen. We talk with woods, leading academics and experts about the recent research or generally of topical interest. Scientific senses at unstructured conversation with no agenda or preparation. Be Color a wide variety of domains red new discoveries are made. and New Technologies are developed on a daily basis. The most interested in how new ideas affect society. And help educate the world how to pursue rewarding and enjoyable life rooted in signs logic at inflammation. V seek knowledge without boundaries or constraints and provide unaided content of conversations bit researchers and leaders who low what they do. A companion blog to this podcast can be found at scientific sense. Dot. com. And displayed guest is available on over a dozen platforms and directly at scientific sense dot net. If you have suggestions for topics, guests at other ideas. Please send up to info at scientific sense. Dot Com. And I can be reached at Gil at eappen. Dot Info. My guests today's facade John. WHO's professor of Law and society at Griffith University in Brisbane Australia. He's also adjunct professor of law at Queensland University of Technology and Research Associated University College Under Center for Blockchain Technologies, he who suggests on the Bloomberg professional globalization of law and the technology in law. But come John. Hello. Thank you. Sure. Yeah. So I want to start with one of your recent people, professions and expertise hog machine learning, and blockchain redesigning the landscape of professional knowledge and organization. In invite you say machine learning has entered the world of the professions. The different impacts automation will have huge impacts on the nature of work and society. Engineering architecture and medicine or early and enthusiastic adopters. Other professions especially law at late you say at in some cases with leptons adopters. could you talk about you know sort of the landscape all? Of Law, profession and. They today in terms of opting these technologies. Certainly Louis interesting because it's a very old profession is. Often considered one of the. Original traditional professions along with medicine and the church. And in a sense law has used different kinds of technology might say I mean does it? Based around writing. And then the printing press and So on yet that. It's always being based on a craft. A skill which the individual person is that enables them to do, whatever is quote if you like and. said, there's never been a lot of room for any kind of automation. Certainly, the has been space for using. A people who are not fully qualified as low as about as paralegals, people like that, who will do a lot of repetitive work document checking and things like that and so on. But what will get into now is the situation where automation through machine learning. There's other kinds of artificial intelligence. is able to start constructing documents example contracts. Check dollop a documents for particular clauses and things like that mature they're up to date and this incense is. Replacing now, the kind of work that noise will do. So I think in some ways more more of of the profession of law is gonNA be subject to automation, but distinction I would many because I think it's quite important here is that A lot of what lawyers do. Is actually quite. Active that that that that the drafting contracts overtime or or they're reviewing documents to some sort or another or they're getting through particular. Negotiation. And so you know a lot of it is the same, but they build up the expertise through doing these same kinds of were over and over again and What we're now finding is that instead of having young lawyers coming in and doing what you might call the grunt work of checking documents and going through discovery applications where he goes through the size boxes of evidence to decide. which are the appropriate documents you want the emails, the invoices order, this sort of stuff that is the kind of work which is lending itself to automation. And, and so that his taking away a lot of the work which is used for trading purposes with young lawyers and is just doing it much quicker. will quickly I mean More efficiently in many ways and probably expensive much much expensive a Lotta. This work is being outsourced to you know legal process outsourcing India or Philippines South Africa places like that. So yeah, that's that's right and so in some ways, the group of lawyers who do the work which requires the skill, the judgment. Is Reducing in some ways. That pool is getting smaller. Yeah Yeah it's it's interesting. The the distinction that you make between automation. And in my job and let's call it decision making right which is you know a lot of work in the business side of this. So for example. in the nineties in large pharmaceutical company So you think about you know rnd. People might think it has really complex selection of programs that design of them, portfolio management, risk management, all those decisions. Genuine companies be say well, senior managers with lots of experience and intuition make those decisions really well right and so that's statement would automatically implied that machines can really do much there. But what we find in the mid nineties says that is systematic analysis of data make those decisions. Don't better. Actually, I've Tom to humans humans. Always seem to make decisions. These are typically bonding the decision. So if you go back and look at it, alternative experiment has not been wrong. So we have no date to say it was a good decision at typically. So human scaffold, fifty percents of making good decisions So do you know just throwing a coin or letting monkey make those decisions so? Yup We found that even complex decision making that humans hold. you know close to their you know kind of domain I'm not necessarily. So we have machines That could do that much better than I. Don't know there's an analog of that in in law I I. Think The may be actually I mean Two three years ago the royal. Society in England decided to arrange a working party on machine learning. One of the things that they put together a a roundtable on machine learning professions resolved to talk about that night and I talked about the history of professions in technology and. and. I think one of the peculiar things that came out to in relation to law is that law. Has always been a sort of on its own. If you think about medicine, for example, medicines always had the teacher hospital institution that sort of straddles the academic quilt and the practice walls and brings those people together and as a result. INCORPORATES loss of, scientific, work. Engineering work as well computing work and things like that. And that's been the first teaching hospital king into existence in in the French revolution in Seventeen eighty-nine. A long history of that. If you look at law, there was nothing equivalent to that whatsoever and there is in fact, actually a big gap between what academy does on what the practitioners in your do so that As a result as before law has come to this a quite late but what we are. Finding I think is that Certainly the management consultancy finding is that because of the nature of a lot of what goes on in legal office a remarkable amount of it can be automated. So what we are getting now is companies setting themselves up to do this automated work. So. We have companies which do nothing but contract our instruction formation sort of company. The typical lawyer would would say to a client Do you WANNA contract classes. Yes I want this for this. And loyal galway draft contract back with it, and then in the con- comes back against as I need another contract, you go through the same process. which is good for the lawyer but not necessarily good kind. What we're finding now is the company's not can think of a few of them that will, in fact, go into the company's show order contracts. Let's see the entire. Corpus of contracts you've got there and they will analyze them. And basically say, all right. We can create a new contract in automated way fairly easily it may need some modification according to special circumstances but on the whole, it's fairly standard and and they can do that INNOVA systematic world meaning the contracts are reviewed that checked. If they're going to expire marketing, you want an unable just the system will cope with that if you're. Yeah. So yeah. No No. No so I was just going to say yes. So that the distinction you make, you know in terms education sort of systematic graduate level education that because as you say, it is low in one sense of soft proficient. You say in called professions like made it to text reengineering this team has a strong concern ensuring that expertise applied in the public interest when as low little bit different from from bad and economics in some sense sort of in the same same vein we have now made economics at really odd. of mathematics you know north of analytics there. Whether they are actually useful from policy making perspective is left to debate but at least it has been an attempt to make this make economic video hard. So so I don't know A. Fascination has been in in law I very much that will happen in law. Oh there things are beginning to happen I mean let me just boob. At. One example I learned in that workshop that I mentioned the Royal Society held. With somebody from the engineering profession talking about. The difference in skills between people who above forty I'm below forty he said. If he he was about Forty Years Austin design an aeroplane, takeout pen and paper Pencil, and paper and. I don't know anyone under forty could do that would know how to do that go onto a computer program undecided there. So you can see that the incorporation of technology into the academy through to the actual. Occupation. Than phones and things is is already a standard and they're in law. It isn't law. As you said, it's still very much a soft skill although I will argue that there is a difference between the way nor is viewed in different parts of the world. So in the United States A law is I think more tilted towards the sciences. So low in economics is one of the big things in the. US. So you got a lot of people working in the of lower economics who might go onto antitrust work no competition work and things like that which across a lot of economics, mathematics and Statistics and so on. In, say a Europe Australia and so on. Law is more allied towards the humanities. And the classics. So it doesn't have that kind of scientific underpinning in that way. So anything that's going to change in these parts if you like is going to be something that's going to be imported from outside. And is going to have a very dramatic impact when whether it does An and I think that's yet to happen. I don't think there's been sort of Cambrian explosion. If you like in in law, the will be one I'm sure but but law has an advantage over engineering economics or the other areas you might. That's With the nature of the rule of law and absent justice is since law as a a way of ordering society is absolutely crucial to everything else. Then, Law and lawyers will say will look you know we have a special status here is different amid leave engineer. We certainly want to make sure bridges stay up. We don't want down but we can design different kinds of bridges. We can design different kinds of legal bills, but they're also the fundamental rules If you want to you know if you're an engineering company and you want to build a bridge in a different country, you're going to have to do it on the basis of the legal rules, which will be just vise by the lawyers according to the country's there in so on. So in in that was what? I might put in a special category if you live. Yea. Yea. Let me let me push NBA John. So. The. The conference that you mentioned you know the Internet is under forty and engineers at. So so one could argue you know from an engineering perspective could argue e- It sexually dangerous. To not use machines to build aircraft the goes you know all the technology that cap today actually help us make the trap lot safer. granted. If you sit down with a blank sheet of paper and Pencil, you might get the principal right. But, but the technology has advanced so much that you really have to use. Technology to do so in some sense, engineering is pushed back. that. I argue this myself then they were naive engineering school. I had a V exposed at my daughter bent to school. She used the same physics book. Twenty, five. meter. I argue that that is sort of backward because data speed no need for an engineer to really learn Newtonian physics anymore because it is prescriptive, it's deterministic can make machines, learn it very quickly and so why spend all? Right. So so then you know if you think about the the law field. I wonder if there is a senior argument that is to say Dan and tape really good lawyer casts lot of intuitions dot expedients to crap something Contract or a discourse, but then maybe the machine scan actually do it even better We haven't really tested that hypothesis yet. Right be almost have this idea that humans are always dominant. Or machines but that the not be true as technology lancers. So what do you think about that in the in the? It's a very important point actually because the. American bosses. being modifying its ethical rules recently to say that lawyers have a duty and obligation to keep up to date with technology. So we already know the technology is now a an important part and I have to say when when I say the word technology, I mean this at all kinds of levels from what you can do with Microsoft word for example, it strays plug ins all the way up to artificial intelligence IBM, Watson, or something like that So that if if lawyers become. A. Uses of technology whether this small firms or big firms or what have you a under the Aba now they they actually have an obligation to make sure that they are up to date. They can't just say we didn't know what we were doing. So I think in that respect, there is a there was a move. The other move that is taking place is actually the push from from the clients. Now, this you have to look into ways one is with corporate clients. The corporation seen US lawyers have to use noise if you'd like want their work done. PHILOS- money on Chiba they wanted to more efficiently They don't want the best piece of work every time they want something that works and they want officiant. UTA A and so on. So it was interesting I think a few years ago. The General Counsel Cisco. Actually made a speech. Saying that he expected his. Lawyers Law firms who worked for the company to be reducing their fees year on year. Now, that's the opposite of what lawyers normally do, which is to raise them year on year. So say that that's one push which is. Very profound push now, coming from the client himselves who are using the beginning to use their procurement departments in in the companies and things like that to help purchase legal services the other aspects which is just as important in this is if you look at the role of lawyers and individuals. So if you is what access to to legal services, it's expensive lawyers are not cheap they charge our money We don't know how to judge the quality of their work and so on. because. There was a credence which we just know that So. On this is where technology can begin to step in and provide services which are. Efficient and often quite. what very well for the individual saying that this. Technology can be seen to be improving access to justice a Lotta people. Yeah. Yeah yes. I want to come back to this. John. I think this is a very important point. So bent on put has a lot of uncertainty. Uncertainty maybe not not the right term, but it's called deterministic. It shows beatty ability and so the determination of quality it's not as easy as hard media India nearing or. Right business economics legal all sorts of well foreign that category and the application of technology sort of a different different meaning there but I want to touch on one of the things that you say in the paper, and that is you mentioned this before and that's about training training the next generation. So you savior regulating bodies professions are involved in the collection and reproduction of knowledge intended to be used by the entire body professionals, and so there was an expectation here that you know seeing it professionals. Is Providing the wisdom that knowledge mission to train the next generation now in a technology driven. regime. discuss vacations right. Our expert is going to be a computer engineer in the future. And so so how does that work from from cleaning and knowledge Asian will I think this is This is a crucial issue in it's one which the profession hasn't. Really. Got To grips with yet I think because you think of technology in terms of Predictive analytics a document review and things like this most law schools are not preparing students for this they may be a a a a causal to on some aspect of technology, but it's not something which lawyers themselves are learning. So I think what is going to happen is we're going to find a blending of skills occurring. So law firms will be sense having to bring in a range of technologists who perhaps have. A scales a straddle, both sides of the lines, the lawyers like this too I think I think we're going to find an avangard Who will begin to develop skills that allow them to talk to both sides of the line, the tech people and? Below people if you likes and there will be people who will acquire develop these skills as well but that's that's still some way down the line I didn't think we're anywhere near there yet, and part of the reason for that I think is that you know law is still a very highly regulated profession and and the regulators themselves are in the same situation they are unsure about what is going to happen and they also feel they have an obligation to. Not only ensure that. Customers clients and consumers are protected but in some ways, the profession is protected to if you like so. You know it's it's a it's a fine balancing. There I. Think. It's a fight balancing act and you'd say if the changing changing things. So going back, you know you care as an individual eighteen status of expert. Some form of encapsulation of knowledge and analysis occurs enabling professional experts, derived diagnoses, decisions, and conclusion wrapped late. and you make some distinctions. Type of learning that. Human? Beings. That the distinction between doing drive and become a gift and laster Yes yes. Yes I think that's important. So the the the the principle behind this is that Individuals can acquire a lot of knowledge in in various areas. So as I say learning how to drive a car, you learn how to change gear you though with the speeds. Braking different rates, conditions, and things like that. So. If you WANNA take that further and become a formula one drive or something like that. Then you have to undergo a very different kind of training and that kind of thing becomes a lot more collective rather than individual because you start to you're you're going to be in a group that is gonna be doing a particular kind of our driving. If you like everybody in the group has to understand what each other is doing that group, you can't have people going right a racetrack at two hundred miles an hour or thinking individually feel like they have to have a collective consciousness. About. How to drive in that situation? That's nothing like how? You and I might drive. I'm not saying we bad drivers just saying spreading very different. So I think professional work is not. That different from this in a way. So once you you can go through school and you can do your law degree and you can learn your low. We can learn you engineering's this applies to or professions really. But in order to become a professional in order to become somebody who can operate function within that. Group if you like you then have yourself have to develop collective consciousness and and one way of thinking about it is that we we can kind of tacit knowledge. This assorted knowledge you learn on the job from people, which is not always articulated in a precise formulate kind way but it's something you pick up from the way. Somebody does something you just recognize aw that that's how they've done that might not be. Written down anywhere or anything like that. But you know that's different from now exiting differently from the way that wise doing I think X.'s doing it better I and you and you just, and you can absorb that. That's what I mean by this kind of tacit knowledge and that comes about from the professional context. As how the professional context develops becomes absolutely crucial to how you introduce new ways of doing things new my daddy's new skills new outlooks if you like and I. Think this is where we're on the cost of of this beginning to develop I mean we we know it's got to be done quite how it's going to be done. is yet to be. So. So let me make a statement John and I want I want your reaction to it so eat in hard sciences eight years against again medicine. Expertise has about a consistent happy of remorse. Whereas enor- economics and business in general, let's say expertise is not about the ability to apply rules but to deal with. and at and if that is true, it has lot of implications rate. It has implications as to how we might divide work. Between. And machine in the future. And the skills that universities need to impart on on on new graduates are also quite different. So I always argued in the business. engineering contexts that universities having changed the dog they get mentioned before they're using the same. Using the same. Out Thirty four years without asking the question are those skills relevant, anymore or more importantly watch. Really relevant for a human being in the future rate. do you agree with that that expertise assert more about dealing exceptions apply? Putting it actually. I. I can see the logic behind what you. Saying I think what distinguishes? A good professional whether it's a good engineer good architect or good lawyer or doctor is is somebody who has a certain? This may sound strange but it's the. Imagination. Creativity. about. Kind of flare that allows them to function on the nausea they they've got and developed over the years and the experience. Gathered from Nova pitching what they'd be doing over the years and so on, and it allows them to see around things in ways which they perhaps would. I can give you an example if you like a law. So I'm in in Germany and some other countries. For example, there's a particular way of bundling together mortgage securities I I won't go to detail about this, but this statute that enables you do it. And then you can sell these securities and get money. In certain countries, the UK, the US, and so on. This, NICI. So in a sense to put this kind of a a deal together it. Couldn't be done if you live. So a bank came to one of the large English law firms and said, look we wanted we want to replicate this in in the UK, want to set a market this we're not the statues off there. What can you do and what was interesting was that the law firm then went back to first principles lawyers who were looking at this went back I suppose they looked at some vape basic areas of law matter your trust. And contract from what have you? I'm from that they constructed elite supplement that looked very much like the one in Germany, but without stat sheet and they tested it and it worked. Out To be credibly successful. So much so that the German government started German legal profession started to complain because they said. You can only do this by statute and these we find a way of doing it three. I suppose using law and there it is an they were vowed shops by but that was a particular example if you like of of what you were talking about, they took the exceptions they went back to first principles and said you know or How would we get? This is where we gotta get to, and this is a way right at the beginning what are the steps we need to take and and? And that's what a good loyal will do if you. Right right? Yeah. So that's very important point. So you in your paper dawn as the DREYFUSS and rice note that the proficient performer immersed in the world of skillful activities sees what needs to be done. But decides how to do it. So as we move into a and other technologies, I think it's important point it is. Right from Dad benefactor culture we have been using humans as you mentioned before in lots of with meted activities big not designed for humans I would I would contend enjoy doing things over and over again, and if you had thought of doing that, yeah, because they have to do it for living right and so so we should be moving to word It would where anything that is with pita on delegated to the machine at automation in the bottom of that and Appealed autonation you can have intelligent automation you can have you know reinforcement learning those types of things you have some aspects of intelligence into the into the two. And deploy humans Don't Miss. They're really good at in some case. I'm. So you know we've been studying the green for ages be our no close. It feels to understand mother. Heck it does You know it's not neat learning it. Oh, BBC of. thirty years ago as see that person again, you could see you could you could have a feeling. Then you've seen that before and and what the brain has done actually not only as he that pattern but also age that matter intuitively for thirty years and say, yes, that face I, guess before. and. So there are some superpowers the brain has reaped have been applying the all all. So for a technology might allow. Look I. Think Technology will allow us to incredibly complex things without having to think about too much I. Mean if you look at the way a port functions, for example, any major port these days they've got millions of containers and ships going through them all the time. So there's a lot of paper going through the you those charter parties, bills of lading guarantees. So the lot of legal work that's being done it, it's all quite standard stuff. I mean everybody. KNOWS, what needs to be done and so on. Now, some people are beginning to think while the best way to handle a port if you like I for everybody should know is to put everything that's going on in the poor into a blockchain so that you can see the whole supply chain. You see when something comes in, you can determine when the goods are being offloaded. When they're being shipped, you can stop making the payments as a result of the. Operation of the smart contracts if you like, and the whole thing would be just one quite seamless. In some ways without that much human intervention really just need oversight Some bits of coordination so on. But at the moment is still a a lot of humans are vote in that shipping people, law people, all sorts of things which is. I think insane. That's a waste of resources. We know that there are people who have all kinds of problems that require that creative flair she like as so why waste money on the routine stuff when you could develop skills to the the real need if you like in that way? Yeah Yeah. So I, want that some that bit that John Blockchain, for example, as you mentioned. So so one reason especially in the professions like law and business humans have an advantage justice dimension of trust. and you know at least our generation we don't really. At eighty level, right. So so having that. Human human touch is still extremely important for us. Now, technologies like Blockchain, for example, actually allows that trust to be tensely decoupled, right? Yeah, and I think I think you're right. Look I. Think I mean one of the reasons we make contracts is because We, don't trust each other. So we we devised these documents with all the conditions in them. Something goes wrong. This is what will happen things like that and so on. What are the interesting things? You know people really rely on contracts are met you. You draw up a contract. And the to business people stick him in the drawer I never look at again less something really really fundamental goes wrong but they know sumit doesn't that never look at that again. So you say value of the contract, what did it actually do if you look at some of the Asian countries say like Taiwan or parts of China, you have a assistant coach Guanxi, which is where people developed effective relationships by knowing each other over a period of time around business that allows them to develop trust it. So You know there are different ways of of handling trust, but we we seem to spend a lot of time on trying to minimize something You know which we don't really do a lot of if you like. So I think one of the advantages of of blockchain is that it just it removes a lot of this from from the equation if there's certain things you know that can happen. as a result off if this thing that systems. Lead happened And you know. As, long as you've got oversight and you can see what's going on than. You don't need to be too concerned about it. It will just do what it needs to do in that way and So. Again. That's still very much in the early stages, but we are seeing situations where supply chains A shipping goods from one country to another can actually be done under smart contracts through a blockchain. Technology if you live. That that is now happening I associate goodful dealing with things like gum counterfeiting if you're. Producing. Particular high-quality could site move our phones or particular pharmaceutical products and so on you know it's one way of guaranteeing the quality of the product is you couldn't I say look you can examine the whole supply chain or the data is there. And you know his Eq- code look at it and you get the whole thing going all the way back The. Again, issues around that if you're dealing with the digital. Is Much easier once you start dealing with physical products then you have. A question of how do you get that first initial digitization of the physical if you'd like to goes on so though some people I know here in Australia who? Run A company called Beef Ledger, which is trying to export beef straight beef to China using the blockchain supply chain, which will. Guarantee the security, and the quality of the goods to the Chinese consumer APP because having problems with this before. But I will tell you now do doing something like that does require that the people you are dealing with. You're going to set this up with You have to have a trusting relationship with you before you can set up a technology that will do away with the So we're still in that. That's really early days. I think another a lot of time way to go right Yeah, but the technology works it. Clean potential one could argue contracts exist because they probably known performance if you have a technology that drives that probably the of non-performance zero, then you can actually get rid of for contract. Yeah limit. It is. Not. Goes back to that earlier point I made that. Most most contracts are fairly standard. You know a routine things they're there to. Record a series of transactions payments that have gone on between people without the to do much. If you like you know once you you're you're doing the business, the contract just kind of records that in perpetuity. So the small contract just takes that into a different area and an an actually does the whole implementation and execution without people to be involved in that too much and there's something goes wrong. But if it if it all goes right then back it is done you need to you don't you think about it Right. Yeah. Hasn't been jumping to another are forthcoming people globalization law at. A time of crisis in the? Global Lawyer and so in the say Nikolai Condom Nieve a Russian economists in the nineteen thirties believed the worst economy operates long sixty year cycles Then he called K. Braves. And you safeguarding coronavirus analysis, the fifth psycho young's from nineteen eighty to twenty thirty. It's you save twenty, nineteen forthcoming John You might have. I think so I think say because I, tell you off the what's happening this year I thought my good I couldn't My God. I was just. Owners because you know a contract device these waves up into into what he calls four seasons spring summer or winter at, and we're in the winter off this fifth cycle if you like this is. All the bad stuff happens and he's news war. Famine Disease I think wait a minute that sounds Yes yes. That's exactly right. A. But one of the interesting things about contractors was that you know he he a because he's A. Solid economists are installing a dip executed. By the way you know he he got fed up ninety that was the end of Nikolai unfortunately but he. He said instead of know if you like the ownership of the means of production are being the determinate for changeover from system system, he said it's it's technology and and that the technology will drive you out of the downswing of the last cycle into the upswing of the new cycle, and and the way that works is the win. You're in this kind of winter period because of the kind of economic. Gloom pervades if you like people tend to hold back in subsurface vestment in terms of technological innovation of what have you and so a lot of energy resources, resources, money capital if you like builds up to a second point when people say we're GONNA go for this is this is it? And that's when if you like technology comes to the fall on, really drives it forward. So from that perspective, what he's saying is that you know come right about twenty thirty. If. Things are going slowly now regarding technology they're going to speed up. In. This period and that's when it will. You know really also take take off and people have looked back over our preceding cycles and they've you know it works if you like not just their. Fantasy theory there are also the people who do Cleo dynamics in history these the quantitative historians and they've done a similar kind of analysis of historical periods and said, yeah, you know there are all these citrical. Processes that take place even revolutions occur and big upset occurs and what have you and and. One of their Perspectives which I find quite interesting is that they say one of the reasons for revolutions come about is caused a lease beginning to compete with each other and and an an I look at say trump in in America and I look at the Democrats and I I I would say Modine, India I look she in China and different groups of elites who are engaged really profound struggle for the future of their countries if you live. Out which again is leading to this kind of potential eruption of activity and a new ways of doing things. Yeah. It makes a lot of intuitive sense gone. So one way to think about this also. There are a lot of excesses. So innovating go good their excesses in the system people to believe that invincible they changed assumptions about. because they don't see any. and. Financial markets to right. So these cycles and real real mass that uniquely talking about you can see the. Happening in the financial markets more clearly. But what he's saying is that he happens mortgage and you ask in this paper in two thousand, nineteen for in many ways go. Crystallization off the settling ketone economic forces lost throat ear Kublai doomed as populous. Separates nationalism and lead clients and I think they have that we have probably the answer to that. But you see I think. One of the points I was trying to make an in in this paper walls that Global Law. If you like is is, is the a kind of synthesis off chaos? How do we bring some kind of order to chaos now once you start seeing the undermining? Of his global institutions, you see trump was withdrawn from the W. H. O.. He's he's are criticized NATO he he won't have the do with the International, Criminal Court and so we've got this kind of real life tension now between a an international legal order that's being built up since the Second World War both Ekit economic and legal order is Global And so we can't just a radical globalization I mean even even with covert, we can't eradicate mobilize ation we've got to. Handle covert the Kobe pandemic on a global basis. Otherwise, we'll. We're lost it retreats to a national. Approach is not gonNA. Work? We'll be defeated in that race is going to be global. Might. Be One of my questions in in paper was will who are the people who are going to be doing this? Kind of bringing the the order to chaos if you like and that made argument that it's got to be the global lawyer. And this is a person who not only understand their national legal system but also able to communicate with lawyers and officials. From around the world if you like. To be able to develop a kind of common. Language common discourse that enables them to stop putting these things together are, and it's not just a simple massa of saying mathematically, it works this way or not. It requires the kind of pulling together of people, but it requires that sort of common understanding which. Comes out of what I was saying about this idea of testing knowledge you know as you got this kind of professional consciousness you know how people ought to behave and how they will interact with you, and then that enables you to be out of bizarre to predict how you can do things and so on and so on. That basis I think we can operate kind of global order. It had a a below the institutional level if you're not kind of private. As opposed to the public according and that will put three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah you know I the limit John I don't know if you think this way I limit one could as. Want to stay need for. Countries what does the need for legal system differentials? We set this up with the premise that it's easier to manage small chunks. one could also argue with Edmund Affect. -nology that you don't need to segment this debate that we have done. which might make these types of issues you know. See where you're coming from and I'm going to say yes or no? Yes, I think the home range of of questions that can be handled by the technology the ones we got pay I don't chain, etc. I don't I didn't see any issues there but there are a lot of decisions that needs to be made a book in terms of putting things together and resolve disputes that can only function at a human level because it's not. These are not decisions that are simple binary decisions. If you'd like, it's yes or no it's it's often a lot more nuance than complex about I mean, one of the resources in the World Kiva Zero System, the world amendment which is being fought over if you like is water, a water is probably one of the most valuable resources anywhere and it's you often find that rivers and things like that sort of flow between countries, they form borders. And and you are you know people if you look at the Nile, ESL start stopping in Sudan throwaway down to the Mediterranean. So he goes to countries all three countries, east European and then into Egypt's and so unwell well, who has the right to put it dime at a particular place and things like that all of that has to be cooled in act. You see a not going to be done at a human level that that's what caused the skills in negotiation judgment interpretation understanding if you like of the other people, no machine can do that I got. Yes before we conclude, I want to touch on one other thing So in the paper, you say as technology and culture intersect more and more. Ethical conundrums will intensify these raising questions about the rights and obligations of robots. And go beyond as moves. Three laws of robotics in two issues of rights of all moon. Algorithm, stem serves. So this is this is an area that be Kevin babies even even really form some notions allowed rights of all modes at rights of a are. Sai, gets more sophisticated. Yes. Yes. I do. I, mean I think this is one of the issues we already know some of the problems with algorithms and and you know can we can be are they transplanted from you see what's going on the ethical issues around the construction and implementation of algorithms and things like that. But I I I think looking into the future we all going to rely on things like robots. And various kinds of machines so much more so that if you look at a country like Japan, which is a a an aging population such that it doesn't have sufficient younger people to look after the people who need looking often. So machines, I'll be part of that, and that means people will stop forming real relationships with machines and and so that's when I would say. Okay. So let's think about how we View a potential rights of machine that we give. We give rise to humans. Yes. We know that we give rights to animals. Now we've also given rights to viz in forest in some countries as well as so machines I think our. Next logical step you know do we do we treat them with respect Let me give you one. Very classic example yet the production of. Robots for sex if you like is a major industry at the moment, some manufacturers say they want to program them say that people can act out rape fantasies will do we want that I? Mean you know should we be at first of all? You know? We should be having people behave in this particular kind of way, but even an uncertain if you do it against another human being, you'll be punished for it and you say we'll a machine is a piece of property you should be you should be doing that but I'm getting to think that maybe a machines should be treated with dignity say that we are treat ourselves with. Dixie. This a kind of reflexive situation here what we? Do to machines we do to each other, and they may again due to US depending on how they evolve and and move forward in that way is a very contentious issue. A lot of people would reject that right out of hand I agree I think we've got to stop thinking about stop dining forward because I. think we're going to at some point again. I. Don't know when. But at some point we will be having to deal with that. It's a it's a very important point. Joan. So if I understand you correctly, you know that the rights to animals the rights to inanimate. INANIMATE things like Lubers The recent those exist is because of its effects on humans and can see video a clear link in the future we would see a very clear link between a algorithms and robots ended affects on human. So this is not me You know each not fantasy in the sense that yeah, robots should have rights, but rather it's a more conceptual question. Any fraud did not have rights each going to cabin negative I I think that's absolutely true. I mean just to highlight that if you like this firm called Boston Dynamics that produces. Robots and they produced these videos of these. Now, these robots are resistant being pushed over and things like that, and it was quite interesting because a lot of people say all you can't treat them in this way. This is awful and so what I mean that that's the answer for more fighting to to the extreme extent. But it I think you know on the basis what you're saying, you know how we Oakland. Hold human beings accountable to each other in an increasingly complex world machines have become part of that. We can't just have them all sitting on the edge as though they're not part of who we are, what we are and how we do things. Right. So. Incursion Johnny fuel sort of look forward five years. At. The intersection of law and technology. But you think people see sort of the biggest. I. Think you'll see it two wins. On the you know for the individual The individual, you're going to see a lot of them just interacting. With artificial Tennessee, say lost questions about what my rights for this how do I deal with a tendency agreement? How do I complain against a producer company or something like that or that's going to be automated? is fairly straightforward to do and and it will only need A. Minimal. Amount of human inside of. An intervention if you like. At the other end at the. In I think we're GONNA see more and more technology coming in because as those basic functions that are. Being, carried out by junior people or or paralegals or things like that are the ones which are going to be increasing, automating creasing. I'm. We will replace the humans and just let machines do that because there's no point in wasting human resources on that whether that means we need fuel or more lawyers That's an open question I think it will that we need different kinds of lawyers We will need Roy Moore to logically aware much more sophisticated. They don't it's be programmers or odors or anything like that, but they need to have a quite a a a a strong understanding and gross what's going on in technology in that way if you like so. Yeah. We can definitely see an. Yeah, so I, think you mentioned the so from a structure perspective in all forum DC law firm sprucing to word. It a group of equity partners. Around it by machine so to speak well, I. Think. I was in that paper or another one I. I'm S-. Forecast. Law. Firms. Being. Distributed decentralized we'll tournaments organizations running on a blockchain with with the various people. into setting when they will no I. Think the law firm is still a very strong and powerful is Shutian, that's not gonNA disappear straight away. But certainly the numbers of partners who control things will shrink. They'll that will get smarter as proportion and yes, they will be surrounded by machines and they surrounded by people who are servicing those machines. Your excellent. Yeah. Thanks for doing this weekend. John really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you very much. It's been great fun and very
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"Francis has just been hospitalized for the third time for cancer while at home. She's been managing the chemotherapy much better than expected in the hospital. She's frustrated at home. She's treating her nauseousness and her anxiety with marijuana, but in the hospital she's not allowed to use marijuana even if she brings her own edibles or vape pen for Francis, a hospitalization is already an anxiety provoking experience, but is now even more so because she can't use what she knows will calm her down. The majority of states thirty five have legalized marijuana for medicinal uses and millions of Americans use it for. For medicinal purposes, and even more for recreation to relax well many state governments have chilled around marijuana use and focused their drug enforcement efforts elsewhere. Hospitals cling to the past. They feel a strong need to forbid marijuana. No, surely there are a few patients are on medications that might interact with marijuana and doctors and patients should discuss these situations, but what hospitals are doing as forcing patients to be sneaky what Francis has found is that the only way she can reliably relax is with marijuana, so she's forced to act the way she did when she was a teenager and sneak into her hospital room. This is complete nonsense and And it creates a situation where Frances and her doctors are not focused on her best health so now. Doctors don't know what she's taking, so they can't advise her against US marijuana. If there is a really good medical reason for her to abstain, there are many reasons to allow people to use marijuana, the hospital or nursing home if they wish most importantly for conditions, such as chronic pain, anxiety and nausea, it is effective therapy and is often better than prescribed expensive medicines, and if the person is using marijuana and his force to suddenly stop when they come into the hospital, it can cause her symptoms to worsen. Yes, the. The feds are still in the dark ages and consider marijuana a schedule one drug, but they're not pursuing law enforcement at hospitals and healthcare facilities. When a doctor provides a medical need, there are some hospitals, even the Mayo Clinic that have allowed patients to use marijuana in the hospital and in states like California were having. Marijuana is not a crime. There are no state prohibitions on hospital. Use so like much in medicine policies are often remnants of days gone by, and they had not change to keep up with science or demand. Hospitals seemed to be more concerned about upsetting regulators than helping patients, assuming that there's not sound medical. Against Marijuana use a particular person. Francis can't wait to get out of the hospital, but in the meantime she has her stashed marijuana that she takes twice a day and not a single staff member knows about it.
Suspects on home monitoring not being watched, Chicago police say
"Back to Alderman O'Shea O'Shea. Thought we were talking about Vaping earlier, but there's a lot. There's a lot going on in the city. Aziz, you probably have noticed, and I want to just kind of since you're here, old man. I want to ask you. You know what? What do you think? The most pressing issue for the city right now is you look at everything on the agenda. I know the budget is front and center, and there isn't Great news there. There's a lot. There's a lot of holes to fill this year. And next. Is you Look forward. What? What can you tell us? Way have very difficult decisions out of us pertaining to our budget. But I think the most pressing thing right now is the, um unbelievable amount of violence we have seen and some of our communities of the past several weeks record numbers and I feel like every weekend. It's a competition to surpass the weekend before, um Chicago Police continue get dozens and dozens of guns off the street for weekend. But you know, we keep having these These incidents of, uh, you know, mass shootings, you know, just last night in our neighboring auburn Gresham community you had, uh, you know, Our group fires into a crowd. Five people shot 10 minutes later. Full box away. Tell it toward gunfire. People shot. Um the unbelievable level of gun violence right now in our city is the most precious thing we have to. We have to try to, uh, you know, get some of these bad people off the street. You know, That's something that point is, well, we'll take it and I just I feel like we talked about this yesterday, and I'm hearing it again from the police superintendent and some of the top brass have been doing interviews today, and they're they're they're honing in on It's home monitoring system that they're saying is failing. The police department at the police department goes in. They find the guys with the gang members they might have. They have some sort of record. They're caught with an illegal weapon and they get the home monitoring system. There are 3000 of them connected to the county jail. There are 1000 of them connected to the county courts. And basically, no one's really watching them after they get out, and they directly pointed them as some of the key suspects in the last three weekends of the most violent crimes in our city that there seems to be this disconnect. Between the courts and what's happening with the whole monitoring system. I get this whole idea about the jail and the risk of Cove. It might make some judges more lenient on that sort of thing. But when you see this sort of pattern do you agree with the police superintendent when he makes these calls, and the mayor has mentioned it as well? About those calls to say, You know what? There's something about this home monitoring system that's failing us all failing those communities and putting these violent offenders back on the streets. Uh, 100%. I agree with the superintendent and the mayor, and, um I mean, peach, and every week we continue to see young innocent Children out in front of their own homes. How many young Children have to die? And where is the outrage? Yeah, We're almost desensitized to it as a city, And that is utterly frustrating. Um, the families decimated by gun violence. Um Absolutely. We have it. We have a problem with the monitoring system. There are thousands of bad people. Repeat gun offenders are on the street today and each and every weekend when we look at the numbers somebody involved in these shootings. Has a very extensive criminal record. That should not be out on the street. We need to figure out a way to get them off the street where they continue to go back and commit these violent crimes more often than not. Shooting innocent people, not the rival gang member. Um, it's it's so disheartening. It is.
Three of 11 Injured Los Angeles Fire Department Firefighters Have Been Released From Hospital
"To LA firefighters are is still in critical condition after being caught in a fireball that Brian was talking about from an explosion at a wholesale business for vaping supplies in the toy district downtown LA three of the eleven firefighters taken the hospital have been released the two that are in critical have been taken out the
COVID-19: What the Autopsies Reveal
"Gibbs reports on how pathologists are starting to get a much closer look at the damage that covert nineteen does to the body by carefully examining the lungs hearts kidneys and other organs of people who have died while infected with the novel Corona Virus. Wait spoke with experts at the Cleveland Clinic. And the University of Washington who have performed these high risk autopsies very few of which have been done so far in the United States. Covert nineteen is a new disease and doctors have been struggling to figure out how best to treat it putting people on ventilators as always a last resort for other diseases typically about half the patients who go onto a ventilator do not survive but Kobe nineteen patients seemed to do even worse on mechanical ventilation a study in the UK found that only about a third of corona virus patients survived that experience and in a report published on April Twenty second in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Researchers found even more alarming outcomes recently in New York City analyzing data from twelve large New York hospitals during March. They found that out of three hundred twenty patients on ventilators. Two hundred and eighty two died so only about one in nine survived mechanical ventilation. We know this. New Corona virus damages the lungs. But how exactly does it differ in important ways from influenza and other VIRAL INFECTIONS? Some experts have suggested that the virus can infect and damage the heart as well and maybe the kidneys or even the brain when people are seriously ill with Cova nineteen. They seem to be at higher. Risk of blood clots. But it's really hard to determine from lab tests and fuzzy medical images whether it's the virus damaging these other organs or whether the body's own immune system fouling up the works as it generates massive inflammatory response to combat the corona virus. Any kind of lung injury can result in acute respiratory distress syndromes. This is a disease process that we've known about for a long. It's a very typical pattern of injury that we see in the lungs when they're injured for many many different kinds of reasons. That's disarray Marshall. A pathologist at the University of Washington. She says that it's often the cascading organ failure triggered by acute respiratory distress syndrome or A. Rds The causes elderly people to die from influenza and firefighters to die from smoke inhalation and cancer patients to die from reactions to chemotherapy. The pressing question. We need to answer for Kobe. Nineteen is whether it's just a rds that makes the disease deadly or whether this new diseases different and even more complicated to treat them what doctors have seen before well if you watch TV you know what medical examiners do when they want to figure out what killed somebody. There's just no substitute for a thorough and detailed autopsy earlier this month researchers published the first English language autopsy results on people who died after becoming infected with the novel Corona Virus. The paper appeared in the American Journal of Clinical Pathology on April tenth. It describes to interesting cases both from Oklahoma case one was seventy seven year old man who had cycled between fever and chills for six days before finally calling for an ambulance on March twentieth. He had high blood pressure and some other health issues but no cough on the trip to the hospital. He was gasping for air and his heart stopped by the time they arrived at the emergency room. It was too late. The gentleman had not seen a doctor for his fever. He had not been tested for Kobe. Nineteen so it wasn't clear what had caused the heart attack taking his life. The Medical Examiner's team in Oklahoma City decided that it was important to find out they swabbed the man's nasal passages and also his lungs both swabs tested positive for the SARS. Kobe virus and chest xrays showed what they described as complete white out in. What would normally be dark empty lung? Cavities doing an autopsy on a Kobe. Positive body is risky but they had the special protective equipment and high containment room. They needed to do it and maybe they could learn something that would help save some of the hundreds of thousands of people around the world who will fight cove in nineteen for their lives in the months to come so they laid his body on the dissecting table and they opened them up. The team contacted a well-known lung pathologist at the Cleveland Clinic to help them interpret what they saw especially as they examined tissue samples from bears organs under the microscope. My name is Sanjay Mukhopadhyay. I'm director of pathology at the Cleveland Clinic. Autopsies give you another deeper look into tissue. That is actually several layers of resolution higher than what you can get from a history a physical examination routine laptops even the highest resolution CD. Scans none of them. Even approach the resolution that you can get from an autopsy. The medical examiner had noticed that. This man's lungs were two to three times heavier than usual. A Common Consequence of AIDS pathologist actually referred to that syndrome by a different name. One that describes the end result of the disease lung cells. They call it diffuse. Lv alert damage in that gentleman. We found diffuse Alveoli damage under the microscope. When you take a breath and it goes down your windpipe. The windpipe actually branches and to do and when goes into the left lung and one goes into the right and then those branches of the windpipe branch like the branches of a tree. You know they get smarter than sponsored smaller as you go. Further and further away and the end point of the branch is what we call an Lvn Louis or colloquially you can call it an air sac and what that is just a very tiny balloon. You need a microscope to see it. And they're just cows and thousands of those little balloons in the lung. That's what makes up the lamp so each time. You inhale you inflate thousands of microscopic Vealy as the ED enters into that little balloon with oxygen in it. The point of the balloon is to take that oxygen into the bloodstream. The wall of the balloon has little blood vessels in it so in the normal language. Dicap- breath the oxygen goes from the middle of the balloon into the one of the balloon. And that's where the arteries are and the oxygen goes into your blood cells. Red Blood Cells. We call them. And then that Dixit back to the heart and the heart center the oxygen to the rest of the body for this exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide to work properly. The thin lining of the air SAC has to be very close to the walls of the blood vessels. Now what happens in in actually in any severe viral infection is that the virus starts causing damage reading a digest. I which is the back of the throat and then all the way down so all the way down the windpipe down the branches to the smallest branches and then into the air sex and when it gets into the AIR SACS. Call that a viral pneumonia. What's happening is actually. The virus is damaging the walls of the those little webs of capillaries that surround the walls of the air. Sacs start to leak proteins fluids white blood cells and debris from destroyed lung seep into the air sacs the debris clogs the balloons. But maybe even more important it also thickens the walls of the air sacs. Literally it's making a barrier for the oxygen to go from the middle of the relates to the bloodstream and so this is the reason that oxygen levels are so low in these patients who are very sick from ovid. The researchers concluded that case won the seventy seven year old man had died from Kobe. Nineteen even though he had never been diagnosed with it. Mukhopadhyay said he was struck by similar. The pattern of organ damage was to what he's used to seeing from autopsies on people who died from other viral infections. It's actually very similar to what happens in influenza and at just to mention a few other examples. Sars you know the SARS from two thousand to two thousand three identical merced Middle Eastern disparaties syndrome identical findings. I did autopsies and deported them on H. One and one when that happened the swine flu identical findings and I give you one more example. You know the when the vaping thing happened just recently and many people were getting sick from the most sick patients but actually developing diffuse. Lbj damage case too was different. This man had to the hospital a day earlier on March nineteenth. He was only forty two but had myo tonic. Muscular dystrophy a hereditary disease that causes muscles to weaken or atrophy. Sometimes so much that food can back up from the stomach. Go down the wrong tube into the lungs where causes bacterial pneumonia? He felt sharp abdominal pains and went to the hospital where a cat scan showed fluid in his lungs just hours later his heart gave out any passed away although he was labelled as community acquired pneumonia and died and was found to be covert positive. The microscopic examination. This patient does not support the idea that he died of Gobert so there was no damage instead. They found food particles and bacterial infection in the airway clear signs of aspirational pneumonia. So case to died with cove in nineteen but he did not die of covert nineteen. Which makes it very interesting because it brings up the issue of. How often is this happening? How often are people who are PAS? Different went on a nasal swab dying of things other than Kobe. I put that question to Desert Marshall whom we heard from earlier. I'm the director of autopsy after De Services at the University of Washington Medical Center since early. March Marshall has performed more than a dozen autopsies of people who died after testing positive for corona virus infection. She says the results of those autopsies have been submitted to a Medical Journal for publication but are still undergoing peer review. Marshall says that the risk of infection that this fires poses has changed how they perform all autopsies regardless of whether the person was suspected to have covert nineteen. Or not so. We've actually started to swab all of our students and get those results before will perform an autopsy in our facility. That isn't the negative pressure sweet so his Marshall also found that like case to in Oklahoma some patients are dying of something else but turning out to have corona virus infection as well we have not. We have not had any unexpected positive results yet. It's still a limited number but of the probably fifteen that we've done. We have not had a positive comeback where we weren't expecting it. And what about the finding from case one in Oklahoma here in Washington are most of the Kobe? Nineteen patients dying from more or less standard AIDS or the autopsies revealing evidence of the virus infecting and damaging other organs as well hearing concerns of the clinicians and folks on the front lines there's the virus infecting the heart or is it just kind of secondary affects related to the critical illness. Is there excess? Clotting related to this disease. Different things like that. It looks like it's helping us to see that Cova did is actually causing typical acute respiratory distress syndrome. Initially there were thoughts that it was behaving a bit differently. But I think as we get more numbers of people and there's less of the individual variability the vast majority of these cases are showing the typical pathologic features of acute respiratory distress and Which we call a diffuse Alveoli damage. Pathology it does look like it. Is that phenomenon and there's not something Speaking out pathologically. That's different in a way that will inform them that you know. They should probably continue to use. The evidence based tried and true therapies for areas in particular marshal says. They aren't seeing an unusual number of small blockages and blood vessels. That would require treatment beyond the usual blood thinners such as Heparin nor has her group or other. She has heard from around. The country found the corona virus causing serious heart infections in the autopsies. They
Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care
"This morning Boris Johnson yesterday moved to hospital's intensive care unit that's the British prime minister for people that don't know yeah fifty five years old so right and yet you look at him he doesn't he doesn't look like the healthiest person we we wish him all the best of course our thoughts and prayers are with the prime minister but I don't I don't know was he a smoker at one point I'm not sure if he was armed only say they didn't I don't I don't want to hear in the vaping guide at yeah but we wish him all the best he's getting the best treatment you can get a great Britain and I think right now what you know having been he was now he was self quarantine he was diagnosed ten days before Sunday's we're going now what twelve days ago uhhuh that he was diagnosed and then on Sunday they decided to put him in the hospital now and I see you I saw one headline saying you know he's in the battle of his life and again we wish him well our thoughts and prayers are with the prime
"vaping" Discussed on Policy Matters
"Suggesting a getting a petition up to make our school. Mascot jewell an analysis of a profiles of people who were following jewels twitter account during that in one month in April two thousand eighteen if this was later published in the Journal of American Medical Association Pediatrics Journal said that about forty five percent of those jewel fans where aged thirteen to seventeen eighty one percent or thirteen to twenty even though the account stated you must be twenty one years or older to follow it somehow. These kids had figured out how to get around that by clicking. I'm over twenty one jewels. Advertising in the early years didn't mention that pods even contain nicotine and in a twenty eighteen. Study Sixty three percent of the users fifteen to twenty four so they had never been. They had not been aware of that and some of them said. I would have stayed away from nicotine if I'd known it was there. This question is for both of you because both of you are experts in this is sort of. This is a public policy podcast. We're getting down to the nitty gritty. Here we understand that. There's still a lot of stuff we don't know. But what are your thoughts on the best public policy approach? We should take vaping what we've seen happen recently. Is that at the federal level the age for Tobacco User Products. You know end. Vaping tobacco products was raised to twenty one. And there's also some bands on flavors but there's also a lot of loopholes in those bands so a lot of people still have access to those flavors. We support raising the age to all for all products to twenty one. I think we're a little more skeptical of bands and what the bans on certain flavors can do. And there's a few reasons for that one is that you know there's already market for this and so by prohibiting something that there's already this large demand for is going to drive consumers to the black market and that in fact we talked at the beginning of the lung. Injury outbreak in that is largely the result of illicitly purchased. Thc devices so driving up the black market for you know nicotine base vaping likely to have adverse health impacts on consumers so that's one issue another issue is with the enforcement of bands and how bands will be enforced You know it might make sense to go. After businesses that are selling to minors and to crack down on their sales but to the extent that any kind of ban involves punishment for people. Using who again. We're talking about primarily young people that punishment is far more likely to cars harm than the vape itself and we've actually seen a a huge rise in school disciplinary action in Texas against students for vaping With find concerning one of the strongest political responses to any kind of problem especially drove. Brahms's prohibit prohibited punish. And those. Just don't work out very well. I was talking to someone today. Who said he was working with a school that was for kids who had had been had drug offenses and including vaping offenses. And so putting those putting kids in the same holds for marijuana for taking kids who've had a misdemeanor marijuana offense putting them in school where everybody of his has committed misdemeanours the kinds of offenses. It's not gonNA help them just not going to help them do better. It's not going to help them. Give up it's going to make them resentful. It's GonNa end because Katie mentioned because the people who are putting those schools or more likely also to be still down position in society. It's going to reduce their knowing that these laws are not enforced evenly. It's going to reduce their respect for the law and respect also the ties to society and therefore it makes them less good citizens that a number of things happen as a result of of punishing people for something. It's really not much of a threat to the public order and I would just. I would add that another problem with bands. And Prohibition of these things is that it does then effect smokers do wanna use them a cigarette alternatives and allows been made over. How much young people like flavors but adults also like the flavors and so to take those away from from smokers. You know might Cause them to not try vaping as an alternative to smoking So that's another concern there and again when we talk about smoking rates at the population level smoking rates have been steadily declining now for several decades But we see that some groups still smoke at much higher rates than others. People that are low income have a low educational. Attainment blacks native Americans people living in rural areas veterans people with mental illness People who use other substances all of these groups smoke at much higher rates and so It's also a question kind of not just overall public health improvement but also public health equity to make sure that we do have alternatives to cigarettes are less harmful Neither Bill I want to encourage anyone to vape. And ideally any policies towards vapes. What they would do is they would make vaping an attractive alternative to anyone who smokes an unattractive alternate unattractive practice for everybody else the challenge Zehr's and and how to balance those two goals so one of the policies that we could try towards vaping his to end to all tobacco products is to tax them. According to their harm so more harmful products like cigarettes needs to be taxed higher than vaping products. And that doesn't mean no taxes on vaping but it means to make those less costly option to make them more attractive alternative than cigarettes. We like to say that we're not either. We're not advocates are apologised for vaping except as a harm reduction to. Smoking is unquestionably dangerous. We look the aggressive attitude by tobacco companies to peddle their drug as as reprehensible and quite skeptical of the claims of jewel and some of the other counterparts that they're offering a safer way to enjoy nicotine and never ever want anybody to use their project but we also accept that nicotine and vaping nicotine is less harmful than smoking. It and some smokers reduce our sees their habits so for the president are watching the with interest the natural experiments that are going on in cities and states and across the country. And in the meantime we urge nonsmokers adolescence. To pay attention to what Jewish says. Don't vape thank you Katie. Thank you bill for joining us today. As we discussed a subject that turned out to be a bit more complicated than perhaps many in the audience expected. But this is in many ways. What this podcast is about? It's about talking about policy issues in all their nuance and complexity. I'd like to thank you both very much. Thank you thank you. Thank you for joining us for this. Episode of policy matters points and perspectives from rice. University's Baker Institute for Public Policy. The Baker Institute is one of the nation's leading resources for nonpartisan public policy research and dialogue for more information about how you can engage with the Baker Institute our fellows and our events. Please visit our website at Baker Institute Dot Org. If you enjoyed the podcast. Please subscribe in rate us on Apple. Podcasts stitcher forever you go to get your podcast and join us next week for more points and perspectives from rice. University's Baker Institute for Public Policy..
Youth at Risk: A Convergence of Concerning Trends
"Hello and welcome to. Let's talk a series of podcasts produced by the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation on the issues. That matter to US issues that we no matter to you to Substance Use Prevention Research Addiction Treatment Recovery Management Education and advocacy. I'm your host William Moyers and today we're joined by my colleague Dr Joseph Dr Lee. Welcome good talking to you again. I couldn't well. It's great to have you on. I always learn something from your every time that we get to sit down to talk. I'm amazed at your depth and breadth of experience as our medical director on youth and family issues across our continuum our mission in this country. There's so many things that we could talk about your so well versed in all of those but I thought I would talk. Start by talking about something serious. Which is the mental health of our youth. Today what are you see is happening given the proliferation of social media? And all the things that you know so well. Where is the mental health of our youth today? Well I see concerning trends across our country. Actually you know in the world of addiction and treating young people with substance use disorders. You see kind of psychology Things are magnified stresses magnified Stresses and conflicts in relationships are magnified loneliness and anger magnified Ucla of young people who have use disorders who become what I call very fatalistic that is significant other. Breaks up with them. If they're met with some adversity they go downhill very fast started become suicidal and we know this is the standard course in the world of Addiction. But the scary thing is in recent years. I'm seeing the same trend in the same kind of psychology in our general social dialogue and I'm seeing it through social media and I'm seeing signs that are concerning with increased mental health issues and suicides. Not just for young people for for older adults. It's almost like there's a part of society I don't WanNa say is become addicted but the psychology of Addiction. The loneliness the anger the magnification. The polarization that comes with addiction is now upon us all. We just don't see it. Do we blame it on social media? I don't think it's fair to just have a smoking gun and pointed at one direction. I think they're all facets of society. What you'll find that is that social media is a lot like substances. A lot of people go on facebook. Instagram snapchat used fine without any difficulties. But there's a certain subset of high risk people that when they get sucked in really hurts them affects their mental health and so social media has way of magnifying things. When you see a pretty picture of a kitten everyone goes on like your picture. It's magnified when you see humane act and someone's helping someone else everyone's tearing up it's magnified but when you see polarize discussions when someone makes a a comment that's politically incorrect. Or maybe discriminatory and young people make mistakes by the way that also gets plastered and it's indelible and there's a magnification in that that I think is very dangerous for high risk people and then of course what exacerbates are some of the substances that you are using today substances that didn't exist in my using days of old. Can you talk to us about what you're seeing at our youth facility in suburban? Minneapolis in terms of the dependencies. That you young people come in with a lot of the convergence between substance use and technology and social media so they're celebrating some of their use finding peers. Who are like minded through social media and instagram posting pictures. It's always pictures before the social event when everyone's happy and they look like they're having a good time using substances. They never posted pictures. After the event when people have vomited and there have been fights. But it's always the before but but there is a convergence in Know vaping cocaine culture other kinds of drug use promoting it through social media giving a false image to other people but you also see the flip side of it so a young person may have made a mistake. Maybe they got too intoxicated on something embarrassed themselves at a social event well that also gets plastered on videos and messages and that is very for those individuals because then they get bullied. They get ostracized. The looking at everybody's feeds and everybody seems to be going on vacation. Everybody else has a new significant other. Everyone else got a new car for their sixteenth birthday and the more friends they have the worst this becomes and by comparison their lives seem lonely and inadequate and so for young people who struggle with mental health and substance related issues sometimes social media and technology can be a bit of a curse. How does it work at our youth facility? You see day in and day out. Because they can't have their phones when the young people come in for treatment do they have withdrawal. They don't have withdrawal. In fact you'd be surprised. With how many people actually liked to unplug a bit even young people? That's right in fact. We'll have conversations. Where like you know you have some friends that are maybe not the healthiest for you? They may be good people. But they're not gonNA encourage you to be in recovery or live a healthy lifestyle and they know that and they actually dread going to the Rolodex of their contact list. They wonder if they should change their cell phone numbers. They actually like the time that they have away from that. Because I think that's a lot of temptation for them and it's a draw. It's almost like Some people describe it as like being on a leash. They feel like they can't get away when they wanna get away so I actually hear more dialogue that they don't know how to navigate being plugged into technology and being in recovery and we have to teach them new skills to do that. What has been the impact that the legalization of marijuana is having across this country with our youth. The important thing to remember about legalization is that the skies not gonNA fall okay. Society is not going to fall apart because the legalization of anyone substance what it does create though is it does create a regressive economy and what that means is that most people drink alcohol. Fine but ten percent of Americans consume half the alcohol in the entire country. So there's a Paredo distribution in eighty twenty rule. Which means if you legalize a substance if you legalized lottery tickets if you legalize gambling at a casino the curve you see for consumption is not a bell curve. It's not that the average Americans going to gamble a couple of times and then only the people on the tip we'll have problems which actually see as a distribution where most Americans do fine and so they have no issue illegals Asian but there's ten to twenty percent of a population that might really struggle and they consume too much. They go to the casino too. Many times they buy too many cigarettes they lie too many vape pens. They drink too much and so we have this debate about are we okay. With simply a utilitarian principle were half of America won't really care and some people are going to make money and maybe we will generate taxes or do we also have a dialogue where we look at the minority population. The people that might be affected who will also try to sing the same tune as everybody else. I can smoke just as much. I can drink just as much. I'm just like everybody else. But they're not and do we have a special dialogue and conversation inclusive of everyone or do we just run amok with capitalism and. I think that's the concern that I see is not necessarily do we legalize or not. But how is it done? And how do we cater for the marginalized? Because if you're a company selling a pen. If you're a company selling marijuana or alcohol you have to make the margin of the people who consume too much you have to and they know that they know their own data and are we okay with that as a democracy so is it just simply majority rules or do we have special conversations to say we also have to protect those people who are vulnerable and that include young people on social media on vaping on the legalization of marijuana. What's your to parents. And how they talk about these issues with their children or grandchildren. Well I think people know their families the best and I ask them to kind of look in their. Mir's look at the the families look what their risk factors are and if there's somebody who There's a lot of addiction in the family. They should message differently. It's definitely not a one size fits all there will be plenty of people in America who smoke marijuana or drink alcohol or use different substances and be okay. They will not develop a use disorder but their children will also try to replicate that but their genes are different. Their environment is different. Maybe they face different adversity. Maybe they have different mental health issues and can we have dialogue in our country that is nuanced and mature enough to be inclusive of those people and right now. We don't have that dialogue. We have a polarization in shutting down of anything that goes against majority rule and there's capitalism that's behind it which I think is a bit sinister and And victimizes certain people so our organization is not against any drug. People are surprised by that. You know when I let them know. We're not anti-marijuana. We're not anti alcohol. We are advocates for the minority. We speak for the minority population a significant minority of people who will not react the same as other people when they use substances because they need to have a voice because other people wander stand
"vaping" Discussed on What Next | Daily News and Analysis
"I'm still. I'm still thinking about how you said. There are thousands of applications for like cigarettes from two thousand nine still bumping around FDA. Yeah I mean the the scary reality is that most tobacco products on the market have had no federal oversight whatsoever so ever and then earlier this year people began showing up in hospitals unable to breathe right. This sort have happened very quickly. The forty year old California man died from what health officials. They're called severe pulmonary injury. It's the seven th death together together with hundreds of illnesses. Recently linked to vaping the cause still a mystery but officials think the illness stems from chemical exposure. It went from being sort of anecdotal reporting of people in the hospital too widespread coast to coast lung injury several deaths the people in ICU. People who are under the age of thirty who can't breathe on their own and it took everyone by surprise I know people at CDC who spent you know weeks on rotation on and off. I mean this was treated like like the abol outbreak. Right this is. This is a major ager public health crisis. We don't know what's happening while the reports at least five hundred and thirty confirmed and probable cases. Important detail here most of them involve taping with THC the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana or both THC and nicotine eventually the CDC finds out a A good number of these people are using THC There are a number of people who report only using nicotine so we don't actually know. Oh what products to pin everything on and it's possible probably even likely that there's actually more than one on cause more than one type of injury happening sort of simultaneously and if you live in a state where marijuana is legal. THC Is something you can just buy vape shop and pop hop into your vape pen in some places you can in a lot of places you still can't. We do know that that none of the products were part of any the medical marijuana programs but a lot of these injuries are happening in states where were recreational use of marijuana is not legal and it seems that a lot of these people people are buying black market products. They're buying them in shady places or over the Internet and that sort of the intersection with with the lack. A federal regulation entirely if you have a white marketplace nicotine vaping products that is unregulated. It certainly certainly gives a Lotta cover to gray or black market place for illicit products. You could make it look like you have a store that is selling rolling products that are perfectly legal. But you're actually selling products. That aren't I mean. I have no doubt that if we were if you turn the clock back you prevented the emergence of jewel and other similar products and we had a controlled marketplace for e cigarettes and you had an agency like the FDA that new every product. Eric was on the market and was supposed to be there. It would be a lot easier to identify the illicit products if you walk into a store and you know the name of every product. That's legal then you you also can see all the products that are illegal because the feds don't regulate marijuana. The FDA has now left to regulate what it can vaping products in September. The president said he planned to ban flavored vapes which are popular with kids but he seemed to walk that back in recent days. Meanwhile some states like Michigan York. They've acted on their own limiting the sale of vaping products. I told Desmond Johnson that with Out Stiffer regulations at the FDA kind of just feels like we're lurching from crisis to crisis that sort of the trajectory of of tobacco casual and it takes huge events to cause significant change. You know it took whistle blowers bringing out documents documents in the nineteen nineties to find out that the CEO of the cigarette companies were lying to Congress and the result of that was litigation from the states the federal federal government we had the FDA trying to regulate tobacco products. It does unfortunately take these big events. I hope that we don't squander this one Desmond Johnson. Thank you so much for joining me thank you Desmond. Jensen is an attorney at the Public Health Law Center at the Mitchell. Hamlin School of law in Saint Paul Minnesota. That's it's the show. What next is produced by Mary? Wilson Jason De Leon Daniel Hewitt and Mara silvers. You can find me on twitter at Mary's desk. Let me know what you are interested. Did in what you want to hear from us. All right thanks for listening. I'm Mary Harris. I will talk to you tomorrow..
"vaping" Discussed on What Next | Daily News and Analysis
"The last week the fight over what exactly to do about vaping came to the white eight house and then it was broadcast on C. Span. We're having a year on this meeting. It was held in a cabinet room. It was packed. Senator Mitt. Romney was there the president of the campaign for tobacco-free kids was sitting directly across from the president jammed in between the CEO of Juul Cool and the head of a vaping industry association. These people they do not agree. The advocates say vaping being is just another way to get kids hooked on nicotine their cigarettes without the smoke. The industry representatives for them vaping is the way to give adults who want to quit the experience of smoking with less risk it got awkward as a lesser problem. Smoking we can cigarettes e cigarettes you stop smoking and it's better you don't think so so. No Nicotine Addiction. It's not uh-huh is bad for the children's brains affects when the campaign for tobacco-free kids guy tries to jump in here say vaping is dangerous. Because it's attracting a new generation of smokers. An industry rap interrupts him says kids who vape. They're not exactly angels at Risk Risk Behaviors and that is why yes. We haven't been listening. Then that guy gets shouted down eventually Mitt Romney ways then when he says even Mormons are vaping. Now is a high schooler. They want to use his products..
"vaping" Discussed on Freakonomics
"Would like it is known about nicotine is this. It is so desirable so addictive that millions upon millions of people are willing to inhale cigarette smoke including the lead arsenic ammonia and benzene in order to get the nicotine not that they necessarily want roughly seventy percent of US adult smokers. Smokers say. They want to quit smoking. So you know. One of the goals then is to actually try to reduce the addiction addiction to these highly toxic products and really shift smokers. Over to less harmful products less harmful nicotine products addicts have been around for years. Gum Patches nasal sprays. How effective are they? Not Very one analysis found that just fourteen percent of smokers occurs are able to quit when they use one method of nicotine replacement. Therapy the number increases to seventeen percent when using say a nicotine patch and gum at the same in time. So what are the problems with The smoking cessation propped logical tools. Is that they are unappealing thank you know. They don't have some the sensory effects that people like when they're smoking their cigarettes about a vaccine against nicotine nicotine addiction that something huts economy worked on for years in the early proof of concept study. The results were promising but ultimately came a a large clinical trial and so the results from this phase three clinical trial. They were not positive so that was unfortunate. But that's it's not to say that the nicotine vaccine is a bad idea. I think it just needs to be developed. Further so for years that's where things stood millions and millions of smokers. Most of whom didn't WANNA smoke. Couldn't stop nicotine replacement therapies. That weren't very effective a vaccine. That wasn't ready. And then in two thousand seven a new product came to market. They've since come to be called ends electronic nicotine delivery three systems more commonly known as e cigarettes when e cigarettes I came on the market my first assumption was that this is just another tobacco. Industry ploy way that they can say is safer but really isn't and just gets more people to use tobacco. It's Michael Siegel a physician and professor the Boston University School of of Public Health. He has been researching tobacco issues for more than thirty years. After studying the issue it became clear to me that this was very different and the the tobacco companies actually weren't involved at all. They didn't get into the picture until two thousand nine eleven and in fact this was a much safer product and was helping many people to quit smoking. The earliest e cigarettes didn't have good battery life or deliver their nicotine efficiently but the technology evolved with hundreds of brands putting out a variety of vaping devices. Some of which could be used for vaping other more entertaining substances. Here's how the National Institute on Drug Abuse Summarizes the genre electronic cigarettes are battery operated devices that people used to inhale an aerosol which typically contains nicotine they're not always flavorings flavorings and other chemicals that can resemble traditional tobacco cigarettes cigars or pipes or even everyday items like pens or usb memory sticks e cigarettes. Let's prove incredibly popular for a number of reasons. There's physical stimuli. There's holding the cigarette. There's feeling the throat hit seeing smoke. Come off their social stimuli. You know smoking smoking with other people. In social settings a new word entered the global vocabulary vaping or ingesting the vaporized content of these devices. I think more than anything. What vaping offers to smokers is an identity? You don't have an identity as a nicotine patch user you know nicotine patch users. Don't get together together in groups and have forums and conventions for the weekend but vapors do it wasn't long before vaping. Champion was crowned jewel labs founded founded in two thousand fifteen and headquartered in San Francisco the jewel e cigarette was sleek and minimalist and it came in flavors including mango cucumber and mint and by two thousand seventeen jewel was the US leader in market share selling one of every three e cigarettes by the end of two thousand eighteen. The company it was valued at thirty eight billion dollars and it sold off a thirty five percent stake to ultra the tobacco giant previously. Known as Philip Morris why why did jewel becomes so much more popular than its rivals. Michael Siegel has one answer. Jewel has a very different nicotine. Formulation that makes it much much more addictive. It's a nicotine saul. It's absorbed much. Were rapidly into the bloodstream. And because of that it simulates the pattern that you get with a real cigarette grete and that is what makes juuling so addictive and how does juuling or vaping any nicotine based e cigarette compared to combustible cigarettes when it comes to toxicity Dorothy Hudson Comey again. Delivering nicotine via the electric cigarette is far less toxic than then the cigarette. But you still have constituents delivered to foreign constituents delivered to the lung in the testing. That's been done on. E Cigarette Aerosol in many cases they find no detectable levels of any unwanted chemicals in other cases. There are some chemicals but only a few and that doesn't mean that the products are safe. Those chemicals could cause problems if used over the long term but the toxicological profile of these products products indicates that they're much much safer than cigarettes. It's not gonNA be Harmless Product but it certainly beats seven thousand chemicals pat you get from cigarettes. The strongest evidence that demonstrates how these products are safer our clinical studies that have been done where smokers have switched to e cigarettes rats. And there's been a dramatic improvement in their respiratory function both subjectively through their reported symptoms and objectively through US parameter testing casting which has shown improvement in lung function among these now ex smokers. And what about the long term effects vaping versus smoking cigarettes. What's the data there? There's no long term data because the products have not been on the market long enough to be able to do mortality studies to show that using e cigarettes as opposed to cigarettes is going to lower mortality. The fact that we don't have long term studies doesn't mean that it's not going to save lives We know it's going to save lives based on the short term clinical data that we.
"vaping" Discussed on American Hysteria
"If askin you may down the PAS about vaping. Here's what they'd probably say. No one agrees. Raise if it's safe or not so you might as well smoke anyway. Jemaine needs is a Cochran Review. The facts have been checked at least dry they find. There's a lot that the experts agree on. And they might give you different advice by now. A cigarette burns with a horrible heat making all sorts of stuff to soak through like arsenic. Nick Cyanide and carcinogens which is why. We'll probably you but with these cigarettes. It might look like you're smoking talking vapor and smoke guard the same. They burst just what you get when you warm.
"vaping" Discussed on American Hysteria
"We are taking being away this opportunity to become healthier and then if we look at deaths you know if we look at deaths in that way. It's like yeah there's been how many deaths again Maranda thirty nine. So there's been thirty nine deaths almost all of which have been linked to THC and it's vitamin E.. Specifically Ignominy Acetate Vitamin E. ACETATE ACETATE. That is used as a thickening agent and so basically you can't really know how many lives are being actually saved or at least prolonged by vaping and by people switching over and even if it's like only ten percent or something of smokers that's a lot more than the thirty nine deaths they have apparently been caused by an have not been cost actually in any way shape or form by the jewel companies or the other e cigarette companies. So it's all through and through. What can we call it? Hysteria American hysteria Ding Ding Ding. So what else do you think. Miranda does that summarize our thoughts pretty well does I had one more I had one more note please. So in laying the groundwork for this episode I found that a lot of the leading research on the subject is coming out of the UK which is interesting doing the Cochran review especially is consistently and systematically identifying appraising and synthesizing empirical evidence that meets pre specified eligibility Ludi criteria to answer the question of safety in vaping including studies involving eleven thousand four hundred participants that have found e cigarettes to be ninety. Five percents sent safer than tobacco cigarettes there as my co host has noted in fact. Two of Cochran's lead tobacco addiction. Researchers Nikola Linson in an Jamie Hartman voice even wrote a song about it did they. I was hoping I might perform it for you. I would i. This is a complete surprise for me I am. I'm almost in tears. All right.
"vaping" Discussed on American Hysteria
"Is a rare and dangerous. Inflammatory condition caused by a chemical called diaster till the buttery flavor makes it a prime candidate for use in an microwave popcorn but when workers in a factory started are developing this often fatal illness it was removed from products made by major popcorn manufacturers. So it's a flavoring sometimes used in vapes apes like toffee. I don't know if that's a vape flavor but it seems like you know and that can cause this really awful so that's the only time that that they like. Just e cigarettes have caused this kind of condition. Yes if they have this particular chemical do you think that many of them do or not. No I think they removed it. I think that that's the kind of the idea. Yeah okay okay And Yeah it's called popcorn lung not because it makes your lungs look like popcorn as it does sound it does show what I thought. That's the whole time I thought and that's not a coincidence. The only news definitely wants you to be like your lungs are the worst first thing I've ever heard it's horrible and well. That's that makes me feel a little bit better. If you little bit better all right all those poor factory workers though yeah. That's true for our popcorn offer are stupid. I don't like microwave popcorn. Come at me. Cancel me I don't like microwave popcorn. Did you know that vapes have been around since nineteen twenty seven. I did not. I don't understand how that's possible. Well it's not really by the first patent. This is from one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and that was that was the first electric vaporizer okay. in nineteen sixty three Herbert Gilbert it to pioneered the smokeless non tobacco cigarette but he couldn't find any manufacturers interested in making the product. Okay then in two thousand and three. We came to the e cigarette as we know it today via Chinese smoker and Pharmacist Han leak. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Sorry Bihan and and that's kind of how that got rolling but in two thousand seven enjoy was one of the first major brands Dan Simon in the US without like 'n sync it is like incentives an capital n Joy. It is it is. There's no astro as strick asterisk. I risk asked risk but they filed for bankruptcy in two thousand sixteen because they couldn't find enough customers they should have been called back street. vape deep vape alright Miranda and. That's exactly what we're talking about Chelsea. Oh thanks itself just a conduit conduit okay what you stats Chelsea. I'm GONNA do stats. I would love to hear some stats. Stupid stupid move back there. beep booze and that's my statman Song I don't want to hear your scattered about BBB. Okay okay that little pastime so so before this there was just this general fear about teens vaping because that's always the fear right. It's always this idea that but that vape companies or smoking companies or alcohol too you know with like mad dog twenty twenty or something with all the bright colors and flavors are purposefully creating those those flavors to market them toward children. I don't know if that's true. It seems a little silly to me. Because they're not a to focus focus on that shore is to focus on some sort of potential future market. But I think adults just like flavors to well what do you think I think if we're going to talk about fruit flavored vapes. Why aren't we talking about fruit flavored alcohol? I think people do but it's been a while. Are we trying into ban. Are we actively trying to ban like Pina coladas. No but they did ban four Loko which was a tragedy. I know I know how you feel Alford. Who wasn't you know whose fault it was the univers- no it was the central Washington University? Because what did they do. They made a giant VAT a four Loko mixed with vodka and then they all got real real sick. Is that four logos they have done. It was banned nationally anyway. You're that's fine. I don't think that had to do with the flavoring. Necessarily though all right that was a complete aside fully to rant about four logo Oko any every couple of weeks but anyway I just don't think we're talking specifically about flavors alcohol and that being marketed to children. It's it was the whole the whole Joe. Camel to buckle and for those who don't know that was the the banning of you know when Marlboro MHM came up camel. Ca that makes more sense Marlboro. Also had hot cool cowboy helped me yeah. Camel cigarettes came out with this. You you know cartoon mascot and everybody got real up in arms about a cartoon advertising cigarettes and now as a whole thing is like a camel. Emma was a leather jacket and sunglasses and he was cool. He was cool. I still think so. I still think he's cool. That would be really great Halloween costume. I'm not sure how you pull it off and then why is it bad right. Why if it's mark into marketed toward kids than basically people think that it will a screw up with their brand screw with their brains The nicotine will which there is some evidence to say that it does mess with your brain a little bit and then also that it is the gateway to smoking. which is a very very unfounded sentiment? Because unless you ban they will do that in in conjunction with this epidemic rise in vaping. You've probably read a lot about that right. Miranda and there's a lot of the articles say that there's an epidemic because it's true that each year more and more people are using e cigarettes and up to I think one figure says one in five high schoolers alerts vape but what that really means is. They asked they asked a sample. How many of you vape have aped one time in the past month and Dan so it vaping one time or trying it? Some of it's even have you ever in your life. That's where some of these statistics are coming from and it seems like closer to maybe two percent of teenagers vape on a regular basis. Like it's just not it's so easy to screw with statistics and make them seem really scary but nonetheless. More and more teens are vaping but at the same time time the smoking rate in teenagers has been steadily declining. If we're looking at the logic of this is going to lead to an epidemic of cigarettes when all these kids decide that the vapes not hard enough and they need they need the real stuff Then we would also see a rise in teen smoking in that feels like that causalities very reasonable to assume and actually just like many things just like teen sex even these these stats have been declining of how many teenagers teenagers smoke. And perhaps that has to do with there being an alternative It's not to say that vapes are okay. That's it. They're not okay. I mean they're just I mean in there okay. But they're not. We can't just be like go. Babe kids like no we ape unless I mean I don't know it's free country but it it's not like we're sitting here being vaping totally fine. It's not a good idea not a good thing to do. You can get addicted to nicotine but but at the same time time. A lot of research has shown that vaping is ninety. Five percents safer than smoking cigarettes and so if we're going going to choose one or the other why wouldn't we choose because people we are not gonNA stop people from vaping. Guess what that does what does it do. Miranda when we make things illegal backstreet Eric. St Faith's xactly backstreet. Vapes is what we get back. Street vapes are what got us into this us in the first place. What that's when you drive when you say vaping legal then people are going to go back underground and then they're going going to get popcorn lung again because it's not like these the vaping guys on the streets or like well we'd better leave out the vitamin E. and make it safe for everyone? They're not maybe some of them are God bless. I also want to note that. That's what's happening. It's not the vape companies. It's not any anyone one who's regulated really. Except potentially that thing you talked about. It's long been eradicated about the the the buttery Sassa tell. Yeah that Diana I ask Pam so and this is true for adults to this idea. That smoking's going down as vaping rises and we have to think about like the percent of people who smoke in America has been steadily declining and it continues to decline and so what vapes were originally conceived to be worthies things that we're supposed to aid and people quitting smoking right and it's not like they've done amazing at bat but nothing does amazing that 'cause it's really hard to quit smoking but the smoking rate in the US fell from twenty four percent to fourteen percent in the last few years. It's going down steadily and I wonder how much of that has to do with vaping. I would assume a good amount. There was research recently published. Shout of the New England Journal of Medicine that shows that there's solid evidence that e cigarettes are pretty much the best thing you can do to try to quit smoking and they. They showed an eighteen percent success rate and a ten percent for other products like nicotine patches and gum. So we're talking. You know eight percent more success rate with these cigarettes which again are ninety five percent safer because they don't have any of the tar and any of the other cancer causing agents nicotine's not great but at worst isn't addictive. I mean it's not great. You don't be addicted to something but it's not like it's not it's not causing. COPD as far as we know. Maybe there's something we we don't know yet and I think that's a really important thing to note here is that nobody really knows how safe or dangerous vaping is because it hasn't been widespread for very long SO THAT'S A. That's an important footnote an important caveat. We know we don't know you. You know we're just here to tell you what we do now and calm down a little bit what we do when we ban things like this is we create it a black market again. Which is the cyclical issue? That's going to bring more people down in to the backstreet vague market. And they're going to then can get sick like these other people have or the other alternative is that we take these away. And then all of these people are who are benefiting from knots from transitioning out of smoking doing e cigarettes. We're just throwing those people under the bus in our panic because.
"vaping" Discussed on American Hysteria
"Talk show the takes a more casual. Look at a handful of our nation's most famous freak outs. I'm your Co Host Chelsea Wherever Smith I'm your other Co Host Miranda Ziegler and this is American hysteria. Just another panic Monday this morning. Health officials sending an urgent warning about the dangers of vaping being an Illinois resident dying a respiratory illness. The state's Department of Public Health saying that person had recently raped when there's inflammation in the lung. SACS troby they don't oxygen when we get oxygen. We can't live. We are coming to you today from A. Ah a couch that we found on the street a street couch. Well it's very cute. It's floral. It's very clean very comfortable. We found it in a Ritzy neighborhood neighborhood so we think whatever. Because that's how things anyway I'm here with my co host Miranda. I'm here with my co host Chelsea. Wherever Smith Wonderful Poland? Today we are covering they a That's right the terror of our month. The most dangerous thing you can possibly do do. Is it worse than cigarettes. Some people think so are your lungs turning popcorn Maranda. We'll have to find out we'll have to find out that is a horrifying image. Sh I hate every time someone says popcorn lung. I hate it so today because I am very sick doc very not feeling very good. I've been shrugging on well. Mike von Dayquil. Today's episode of American hysteria is brought to you. By why dayquil are you tired during the day. Because they're sick promo code hysteria. Promo Code Fox it anyway Moran is going to be kind of taken the lead on this episode. But I'll be the mainly the peanut Gallery and I'm also going to be your stat man. That man carruthers which is a reference. I didn't get earlier. Okay who is it again. He's the man who he's the actor who played Mister o'halloran in the shining. And who is that character in the shine. And he's the one who talks to Danny about shining. ooh Charming African American workers. That is so popular in Stephen King's writings. Well I am GonNa let Miranda take away an and let's hear a little bit about the history of our vaping panics. Not where we're starting. That's not where we're starting. Let's hand it over to Miranda A- as the summer months faded over Delaware County Pennsylvania this year seventeen year old Eddie Sullivan woke up his mother. Complaining of extreme nausea chest pain and a shortness of breath when he was admitted to a local children's hospital his symptoms worsened and doctors quickly diagnosed him with something akin to severe pneumonia even considering a medically induced coma. Eddie had spent the better part of the previous year experimenting with Nicotine and THC vaporisers devices consisting being a battery powered heating element and a cartridge filled with propylene. Glycol or vegetable glycerin as well as flavoring and drug compounds that are then atomised and dispersed. I if you've been on the Internet recently. It's very unlikely that you haven't come across a headline espousing the horrors of vaping two thousand fifty one cases of a mysterious l. nece have been reported and linked to the use of products an illness that involves vomiting shortness of breath and in thirty nine of these stories. Even the articles are everywhere and they're terrifying today. Where peeling back the layers of click bait and taking a look at? What's really going on here all right? Well it all sounds like a hysteria to me. You got all the ingredients. No I would no. I am the unequivocal expert of mass. Panic all right so so recently K.. The CDC examined twenty nine in samples from patients suffering from these symptoms and every one of them tested positive for an additive called the vitamin E. Acetate used in supplements and skin creams but potentially potentially dangerous when heated and inhaled so why are major companies using it. The thing is. They're not no. They're not vitamin E. ACETATE is is a cheap way for black market producers to thicken the liquid in their cartridges and cut down on the amount of nicotine or most frequently. THC needed you know. WHO'S NOT OUGHTA DR Chelsea wherever well that's debatable? But I was GONNA say a Guy Hubei vape pen from off the the street not a doctor not a doctor not a reliable source for any anything. You're doing really probably not. I mean unless you need some quick. We'd go for for them. That's fine we don't all live in Washington State Fair. Nearly every case of this vape illness can be traced back doc to these St vapes and it says so in every article however covertly so what. What is this panic really about what are you? What are your thoughts on this? Why are we reading these headlines and then breezing past the fact that it's has nothing to do with mass market? Well here's what I would say. Are People reading the article is anyone. Is anyone out there reading the article because the article says things like Schick hundred people's lungs have turned into popcorn and we might as well go to a movie theater lungs but that's uh-huh nobody's getting to the part where it's like. Hey this is probably likely because people were buying vape pens off of the street which has and it's all marijuana right pretty much pretty much almost all usually people vaping you have a stat on that in the statman is barely conscious. But no I think like it's a moral panic in a lot of ways right. It's a distraction. Perhaps perhaps a distraction. From oh I don't know everything because we're living in a horrifying reality and of course who POPs in who bops end. have his. Say our commander in chief himself himself and you know this is what he had to say. A lot of people think is wonderful. It's great it's wonderful. That's one thing I think we can say. Definitely definitely commissioner. It's not a wonderful thing. It's got big problems so clearly. POPs ops over. There knows he's going to take care of us. Big Pop of America take care of us. He's going to get in on the Pie and this is what happens with every every moral panic right. It's like there's pressure from the public which usually comes from the media because the media is like trying to sell papers so they're like Oh my God and then after. That comes the public outcry in the public like well. I trust the news because is what else am I gonNA Trust. I don't know what reality is. Someone told me what it is and then everybody freaks out and then politicians see it's their chance to have a platform in which nobody can really disagree with them and that's what moral panics. Were so grateful because they always serve the left and the right because it here in in Washington State Jay Inslee. WHO's a WHO's your senator? Anyway Jay Inslee has basically banned all flavored vapes period. Because they're like kids are GonNa love those cherry flavored pop tart vapes and it's it's happening everywhere right. It's happening in Washington and then even know this is a very liberal city even though Seattle is very liberal city and then you'll see it happening obviously obviously with our very far right president and it sort of the Safeway for everybody to get points without being divisive. So it's like a good thing for the middle ground to do you have something like stranger danger. No one was going to say. Kids aren't being kidnapped because everybody can get on that boat. And then they do and so I think so much of this is is just like a bureaucratic like Dick Measuring contest or something about who can who could be the toughest on this new teenage problem. Because there's always always gonNA be a teenage problem governor. Jay Inslee is our governor. Jay Inslee is the governor governor. He's governor now. How much dayquil did you know? Have you seen all of these law. Firms uh-huh advertising on facebook for class action lawsuits against jewel. It's quite here's what I have to say. Prove it prove it. I can really go for right now. Miranda don't awesome delicious buttery popcorn lung in a box for me and put some butter on it. Everybody's lungs I'm GONNA eat them right at the movies. What are you seeing? I'm not seeing a superhero movies. Don't even invite me. Do you want to hear about about popcorn lung. What's there to here? I thought it just was your lungs turning into popcorn. You is that what you thought. Well isn't that what America thinks. You're the smoke vapor in your lungs. Things turned into popcorn while I mean actual hardcore but I just assumed that it would be like. Yeah you're just horrible. That's what I thought when I heard about it too well. Well here's the truth. Popcorn lung is not in fact the absolutely horrific disfigurement of a respiratory organs. As the pet name of you've bronchitis obliteration suggests but it.
"vaping" Discussed on Science Vs
"Burn narco-state guitars so when it comes to vaping where we up to now the FDA and CDC have an ongoing investigation into what's causing this that recommended for now that if you can stop vaping until the situation is sorted as for the people who are already sick we don't know what's going to happen to them but when we at Science Vasteras looked at more than a dozen case reports from people whose lungs injured from vaping over the last five years the vast majority did recover what about any he had from at the beginning of the show while his mom says that months later he's still not fully recovered Jerry talk to our senior producer Caitlyn sorry about it so how's he feeling he does have an inhaler if he needs it he he has his moments where he gets winded walking up steps it's football season sealant play football he is not so there is definitely some appointment from him it's a scary world to know that these products are being made and people's basements and sold on the black market because we don't know what's in them I I mean I find all of it to be very very scary aints fastest vaping happy. Halloween Hi Caitlyn sorry said you produced asides versus Hello Wendy so common host and executive producer Assan enough how many citations in this week's episode what's there is one hundred forty one div April no no no it's not my wheelhouse but I have friends to have switched from CDs to vaping and I feel like there was a there was a question they're like are we doing the right thing yes should we stop and if you're interested in the business side of vaping you should check out the journals episode on this the journal will into the episode now shy nights next week tackling five g technology we've had a lot of requests for this one so should you be worried about the rollout of five Jane Force making one huge experiment and because we are exposing almost the entire human population of the earth.
"vaping" Discussed on Science Vs
"They switched to plain vaping sir no flavors no wait scientists probed the chemicals in these people who've switched vaping they look at their pay and blood and breath and they found some pretty doc changes and what we've seen some of those studies is that if someone switches from smoke into vaping they have improvements that are similar to what we'd see if perhaps quit smoking altogether an Italian study of around two hundred smokers found that the ones who switched to vaping breathing out far fewer harmful chemicals alight out and the National Academies of Science port from last year wrote that there is quite conclusive evidence and quite that subbing vapes for cigarettes reduce your exposure to dangerous chemical roles in CDs but these studies were all done before the outbreak in the US so should what's happening now change how we feel about vapes we put this to Jamie with this new lung disease that we're seeing in America it's it's killing some people hospitalising is does that change the equation fee so absolutely these deaths in the states from vaping are incredibly concerning warrant urgent investigation but I think in this area is only in comparison to smoke in when we're talking about safety well I'm saying is that smoking is incredibly and uniquely deadly for something that's legal I mean it's just unbelievable that it's legal all right and when you're comparing vaping regulated products to smoking all the evidence we have so far overwhelmingly suggests that vaping safer cigarettes kill more than a thousand people in the US every day and so far vapes of just killed over thirty but I think we never thought Easter Gretz were risk free we always thought that they were considerably safer than smoking and nothing I've seen so far has convinced otherwise and as freaked out as the CDC currently is about vaping they've also said that if you're vaping instead of smoking don't go back to see east okay but what if you're currently a smoker and you Wanna quit there's other things to try patches medication should you go for the vapes ways to quit smoking that have been proven to be safe and increase chances of success give those a try if you tried them they haven't worked or for some reason you don't want to try them really think about switching to an ISA in studies it's clear that vapes helped some people to quit smoking but the reason that Jamie says try everything else first sleep we just have more studies on stuff like patches the bottom line despite this outbreak making vapes look pretty scary Chamie says.
"vaping" Discussed on Today in Focus
"Let's senior reporter at the Observer you've been writing lots about vaping tell me when the a cigarette as we know it now was invented most people would say it was two thousand and three Chinese inventor Han Lick his patented idea was then replicated by many other companies and he's basically credited as the father of the cigarette how quickly did they become mainstream people might suggest the UK they're still relatively niche compared with smoking owning the last five years they started to become almost ubiquitous and you see lots of people now vaping it's rated as a form of subculture and it's promoted on social media and it seems that there's real momentum there I want to see how if you're gonNA vape with the I pay freedom for the taking be cigarettes any liquids current UK estimated figures from Action Smoking and health three point six million people in the UK use a under ash point out of those only six percent wants makers that is quite a significant riser five years go back to twenty twelve we're looking at about seven hundred thousand people vaping back then is a huge increase how do they work quite simply an e cigarette is a replaceable inhaler cartridge it contained some interesting chemicals chiefly vegetable glycerin and quite often another interesting chemical called poly ethylene glycol these are basically the liquid that hold the flavoring and they hold nicotine and then what happens is that liquid is heated up and it turns into a vapor and then you down into your mouth when you vaping open the smoke will roll out most important thing I have looked up and I know that it's not like good for you guys out but it's kind of the lesser of two evils I suppose you used to you the Guardian podcast science weekly you've done an episode on vaping what did you find out I remember it was off the back of a report from public housing land it was ninety five percents safer than smoking vaping was that was the episode where I got one of the biggest funding these studies and whether or not ninety five percent is the right number I don't think that's the takeaway message to take away message is that is as far as we know and as far as the evidence tells us at this point safer for cigarettes versus cigarettes what's the difference that Lick Health England figure of ninety five percent is not without controversy east cigarettes aren't risk free but they are at least ninety five percents S. harmful than cigarettes some critics say it underplays the danger that can be associated with vaping and overstates the role of vaping in helping people to give up smoking e cigarettes are the UK's most popular quitting aid as there is no burning involved there is no smoke they do not contain any tobacco just this some of the World Health Organization one that vapes were undoubtedly harmful and not a guarantee tool to quit smoking and that's critical because of a fair that they pink could be a new way to Hook nonsmoking teenagers onto nicotine Ooh Jamie is it fat assigned by paying isn't seen as just to stop smoking I like Apache ah gun but that is seen as something quite cool in itself in the United States it is definitely the case that vaping is seen as a cool thing it almost fourteen percent of US high schoolers of Vaping Fry Sam the vape Lord Blake you really are Lord Vanden that has been and this is the scripture the US health authorities epidemic of teen vaping he cigarettes jewels they're often marketed as safe alternatives to smoking but they're cool designs fund flavors and the fact that they're easy to hide means it's not only smokers who want them it's kids and a lot of people are posting stuff on Instagram Bieber's it's happy there are tricks you can do with your today I'll be teaching you how to French inhale through your teeth into multiple strands so looks like a bay mass from Batman so let's get started I think that I'm going to be other kinds of communities growing up around this I guess you could liken it to sort of skateboard and BMX it's kind of slightly count cultural it's sort mm people don't take up aping and in terms of types of e cigarettes the most famous I guess is the jewel when was that invented and just tell me about it if you can talk globally than Joel is definitely the big brand of everyone recognizes it's an American company it was formed five or six years ago it's product is is a verb in America there are people who talk about going to the jewel room room in the toilets and high school and you go in there and you just jewell young in the UK very different very tight restrictions and the way it can be promoted it certainly doesn't seem to have the same cachet at the moment at least simply because it didn't launch in the UK until two thousand eighteen the U. K. Mark is more fragmented perhaps the big Lebron's a blue and veep jewel is definitely the one that everyone is watching for what it does around the world Cool when debate Max now I think like an idiot I think I looked like in the day when I smoked critics vaping would probably say that number on people are either replacing cigarettes with it rather than giving up nicotine or even using vapes alongside cigarettes all perhaps just worrying of all young people might start vaping in its own right I mean I'm not a young person so I can't say I was I mean I was a young person because teenagers just WanNa do stuff or when I was a teenager I just wanted to do stuff was dangerous see don't do it for the sake of doing it I mean mine was it definitely helped in the long term yes it is a choice about house and not wanting to aches and I can tell that because I get very very anxious if I ever lose it doesn't seem to work like other tools work I mean if you chosen to Chew Nicotine Gum I doubt you'd be sitting in here reaching for the gum in your pocket cessation and I think actually what they are as smoking replacement and that until we know more about the kind of dangers that these things expose us to I think it will continue to be that because in the eyes of many people myself included what I'm doing is relatively safe.
"vaping" Discussed on Today in Focus
"You get that is it legal too vague in an office place a Mac Sandison the end so that's why you maybe don't have one for another hour whilst with that you're breathing in fresh water without fresh air it's even worse it's sugary tasty minty so I used Mike Mental so I've now got a mental vape it's like lollipop it's like a lot of young people comment on the fact that smells I after rights and it kind of tastes like dances from our listenership of people writing in saying you know the science here is Foti and there's all this kind of dodgy stuff going on where vape companies like blowing smoke rings with cigarettes ten years twenty years ago the coming out and go into your noses one extreme it's split sorta like until the ipod did you take my jaw your Devon can I hear Jill please Bro to June.
"vaping" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Joe markets itself as is an alternative to traditional cigarettes and the e cigarette giant says its mission is to improve the lives of the world's one billion smokers by eliminating cigarettes and the goal. Oh appears to be paying off in recent weeks. Cigarette sales volume decline more than seven percent that is more than twice the historic rate of decline blues. I think people thought I'M GONNA vape instead of smoke cigarettes because it seemed like the healthy alternative do all these recent illnesses and even deaths suggested that might not be true. I think we still don't know enough to say anything definitively but we do know that regular cigarettes are the deadliest products that have ever have been introduced to the consumer market so that's a pretty tough thing to beat. Obviously one of the dangers here is that teens have really glommed onto vaping the jewel in particular Taylor who is of age and and using to teach me out Anderson Victory so here talk show. Show me some of your best tricks Haley go so there's this national survey called the National Institutes of Health Survey and they track how American youth are using substances and the number of high school seniors who said they vape deep nicotine in the past thirty days had doubled between twenty seventeen and twenty teams so it went from eleven percent to nearly twenty one percent. This survey is like more than forty years old and it was the largest increase they'd ever seen any substance in the history of the survey. What that means is it. A quarter of twelfth graders are oh now using the USA grads at least at some point in the last month and we have no idea what the long term health effects that will be a quarter of all twelfth graders is in the United States are vaping at some point every month he asked so. It's what they track is. Thirty Day you sit in the past thirty days and just for comparison so bottle all to use. It's like fewer than five percent of adults are currently using e cigarettes and we don't have any more of an idea of what this might be doing to not even fully formed adults yet. We thought until this outbreak that the diseases that would be related. T- cigarettes would take a long time to turn up in the same way. Smoking doesn't kill you you two days after you smoke. A cigarette kills you after many years of use and the accumulation of that toll on the body so what that means is that there might be these potential. Joel cardiovascular effects like heart disease and high blood pressure heart attacks things like that then we've also seen these rare cases of seizures related needed to nicotine containing e cigarettes and also of Easy Grad explosions so when these vape devices exploded in people's mouths and broken their Johanna and whatnot so so we're still definitely learning about what the longer term consequences. If some of these short short term health effects are going to be an I mean the last time we spoke about this. You also mentioned that there's this ability to take these like super hyper mega doses of nicotine when you have vaping device whereas when when you're smoking a cigarette your a little more limited to a single cigarette at a time obviously what do we know about the health impacts of just taking a lot of nicotine so I think it's important to say that the that was about jewel right so jewel does deliver. This is crazy dose of nicotine. I think it's as much as so one jewel pod delivers livers as much nicotine as up to two packs of cigarettes so they're definitely in the addiction business but that's not all e cigarettes. Budget does control like this market market. It's the biggest player absolutely yeah they have the greatest share of the grab market for sure and these are similar to the health effects of nicotine in cigarettes so bloodpressure speeding the hurried causing the arteries to narrow nicotine can increase the adrenaline that circulates in our bodies audie so that activates this fight or flight response and in young people we know the nicotine can rewire the brain so there are questions about what that means for Addiction Shen and susceptibility to addiction later if you've been juuling every day in your teens are e cigarettes regulated the same way as regular cigarettes. Let's I know this is sort of a new wild west of smoking or vaping but is the government staying on top of it so yeah in only in two thousand and nine did that. Da Get regulatory authority over the tobacco industry and you cigarettes were left out of it until that finally change in twenty me sixteen and so the feds started to regulate e cigarettes then it meant that they could do things like banning sales to minors and making sure oh you know that the ingredients listed on packages and stuff like that but they've also delayed some big compliance deadlines as part of the regulation so so for example companies that have entered the market after February two thousand seven have more time to get FDA approval to sell their products so they push back at deadline for these companies. That yet came on the market. After two thousand and seven in the context of this outbreak is worth noting that FDA doesn't regulate THC's since it's illegal legal under federal law so there are certainly some gaps still in the regulation of the products that seemed to be causing this outbreak is the vaping industry responding to this at all are they saying a are bad. We're going to make sure these things that are all safe or anything like that. So the line from the vaping industry seems to be that federal officials are unnecessarily. We frightening the population. Oh so the Vapor Technology Association which is this pig is facing industry trade group so they released a statement recently urging quote public officials to thoroughly investigate the circumstances which might have led to each reported hospitalization before making statements to the public about whether certain products are implicated in these incidences and how much would scaring people off these cigarettes cost the vaping industry so we know the jewel is now valued valued at thirty eight billion dollars gap so that was a massive valuation when it when it was purchased by the parent company of Philip Morris One of the world's largest tobacco companies which now owns more than a third of jewel so yeah. The company is hugely valuable. Big Tobacco clearly sees a future with them and yet this outbreak. Were the turn those trends around the we're talking about. There would be a lot of money lost and so anyone thinking oh I got this cool vape device. That's not really a part of this big old cigarette tobacco machine that dates back to slavery in the United States. That isn't the case anymore that that's not the case and it hasn't been for a while. Many of these cigarette companies are controlled by tobacco. Companies is a huge moment for vaping where where whatever happens in the next few months or year might decide the future of this potentially very very harmful trend you know when when when like you said when he cigarettes were introduced to the market they were really framed disease stop smoking devices and then there was this like youth boom and lots of marketing around that Adin social media use around around vaping and now we're seeing this outbreak that seems to be directly linked to the USA Grad Industry and I think that might indeed be turning point in the conversation..
"vaping" Discussed on Today, Explained
"But even so after we published a bunch of listeners told us the episode made them. WanNa go out and buy jewel. One of our coworkers definitely did just that. Today's episode is about raping but I can almost guarantee you. It won't make you want to because now people are dying. The Centers for Disease Control is warning warning people to stop using e cigarettes the reason the number of possible cases of vaping related lung illnesses has more than doubled in a month right now. There are more than four hundred fifty possible cases in thirty three states health officials say at least five deaths are likely linked vaping eighteen year old. Piper Johnson was on her way to college which you wound up in Colorado intensive care unit had I waited thirty six hours longer. I probably would have died or been put on a ventilator that little pod could do so much damage on on my body what's going on is it. There's an outbreak of a mysterious vaping related respiratory illness that sweeping across the US Julia Blues Reports on Health for vox today she spoke to us from Vienna. That's Vienna Austria. Not Vienna Virginia Shinya so starting around April doctors started to see young otherwise healthy people show up in their offices and hospitals with difficulty breathing and they do cat cat scans and x-rays and look at their lungs and notice that they had these abnormalities. Something was causing inflammation in the lungs when they'd start to try to search for with that was a bacteria virus. They didn't find anything which is really unusual to see. Young healthy people show up in hospital who don't have have any sign of infection but have difficulty breathing if felt like I was genuinely having a heart attack. That's how eighteen-year-old Chance Amerada describes the feeling feeling when his medical emergency began about three weeks ago I would say like my chest felt like it was collapsing and tightening up I couldn't breathe and they said your lungs collapse ops go to surgery and right now and only a few months later when more and more of these cases started to show up did they realize what was linking them was that all of the patients vapes every single one of them reported using e cigarettes in the last ninety days so by the end of August there were about two hundred possible bookcases in twenty two states and on Friday the CDC announced at the numbers risen to four hundred fifty possible cases in more than thirty states Paulie Hagan raiders eighteen year old son. Adam has been in the hospital since Saturday when he was rushed to the Er with chills shortness of breath and vomiting. He's now relying relying on a supplemental breathing masks steroids and antibiotics as he battles lung infection. What was the first case in which Schmidt died from vaping here so in August we learned of a woman in Illinois who was hospitalized with this unexplained illness and she died and and she was only in her thirties and she's now thought to be the first person in the US who's died because of vaping and on Friday we learned about the fifth staff which happened in l. A. And that person was over the age of fifty five so we've got a woman in her thirties but also an older guy who who've died from from Beijing is everyone who vapes getting sick right now or is this like limited to a certain type of person no not at all and yet. It's important to remember. There are many many many people across the country right now. We're talking about four hundred and fifty cases so this is definitely a subset of the population using e cigarettes. What what we know now is that most of the people who've been diagnosed are actually in their late teens and twenties so on Friday. The New England Journal of Medicine Medical Journal came out this series reports on this outbreak in one of them was a study in Wisconsin and Illinois and they found that the median age of the patients in those states nineteen so that means that half of the people who are getting sick with this illness are younger than nineteen so it's definitely a younger population and another otherwise healthy see one. That seems to be affected. I would hit my vape easily forty times in an hour. I was a pretty heavy labor. What are the symptoms symptoms that people are coming down with when they go to the hospital when they get sick when they die so patients have a few things in common so they're they're suffering from respiratory. Tori symptoms again the trouble breathing shortness of breath cough and even some gi symptoms nausea vomiting and diarrhea sometimes receive blood in the airway which is can be alarming some of them even need oxygen support through ventilators or you need to be intimated seventeen year old Tristan's. Oh field was taken to Cook Children's Hospital in Fort Worth Texas with blockage in his lungs. I woke up and just throwing up everywhere heart was just pounding on my chest going one hundred miles an hour or and sometimes the breathing troubles even follow the gastrointestinal symptoms so it said difficulty breathing that finally brings people into the hospital all these people people who are getting sick getting better. I mean obviously five or so have died but has everyone else doing one of the doctors I spoke to WHO's been treating patients shins with said that when she's followed up with people who are recovered from the from breathing difficulties in particular lung still appeared to be damaged so there seems to maybe some long lasting impact on the lungs now Alexander who left the hospital in July seven has diminished lung capacity and is experiencing short term remember issues. The doctors told me my lungs are diminished by twenty five percent. I don't have the stamina that I used to I don't have the strength that I used to. They're hopeful L. recover that the long term health effects people what we don't know them yet. Is there any particular type of Vape vape device. I mean we talked a lot about the jewel back in our episode about vaping in May of last year is a a type of nicotine or or THC that people aren't hailing. Do we know that there's one thing to stay away from here so unfortunately it's still not clear that's why the CDC and FDA or telling people bull just don't use e cigarettes until we know what's going on right now. There's DA is analyzing hundreds of samples from the products that people who have gotten sick have been using and they think that there's a chemical in some of them that might be with causing the illness but they're still considering everything from nicotine to THC H C to pesticides additives all the chemicals that come in flavors and one thing that does link many of the cases that people well had been using THC in their e cigarette devices how do you how do you get that you know the THC. I got it from like a drug dealer or whatever forbid he assure you was okay sure you don't know whether it was okay or not right but then there are also the people who got sick could only been using nicotine cigarettes and then some people use bolts so marijuana and nicotine containing liquids in their in their devices so it's possible that will learn that this sickness is caused by an exposure to a couple of chemicals or that. The chemicals are are working together in a way that's making people sick or it's also possible some people who are saying they only used nicotine are lying because right now. I think the data that we have are self reported and maybe an again. It's a lot of young people maybe they don't want to admit that they were using marijuana so it's really not clear yet and it's going to take some time to find out but it is worth noting that on Friday the State Health Department of New York announced said an investigation of the cases there founded vitamin. E acetate was a chemical that turned up in the products that people who have been sick and in New York had been using but then the feds on Friday and a press briefing walk back from that and said that you know while New York has had that finding. It's still not clear that vitamin E. is really the culprit and they're considering many many different potential causes. What is this vitamin E acetate exactly it sounds mostly healthy. It is yeah so it's something that's found a nutritional supplements and it's completely safe in those but would it does have these oily greasy properties that when you're inhaling it into your lungs it can cause some of the symptoms and inflammation that the people who are sick have been experiencing and what other chemicals or ingredients are in these vape cocktails. Do we know so so so many so flavorings and additives toxins that are in the mix so nicotine heavy metals like Mercury and aluminum for Mel Mel died has been found in e cigarettes and then yeah and then the flavorings like strawberry lemonade and butter rum and all the floor flavor. Whatever all the all the different flavors that are available now. They're also made of many different types of chemical combinations so it's important to remember their hundreds of different ingredients in the vape chooses. People are using as delicious as that sounds. I mean all of these ingredients have been in these vape cocktails for years now. Why are people getting sick. All of a sudden what's interesting is that it's not entirely clear that this is a new phenomenon so it's possible this has been going on for some time but because because e cigarette use his sword recently that were actually detecting these links now. It's also possible that there's something that's been introduced on the market market or black market products that people are accessing that are having been introduced more recently. They're making people sick. Why is there a black market for these devices devices when you see like vape stores on like every corner and they're being sold in convenience stores. It's not like there's like a a black market for like Miller lite why are people buying vape ape devices on the streets will remember in this case a lot of the patients had reported using THC which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. I WANNA as we know. Marijuana is illegal in every state so it's possible that people are just purchasing these devices of whoever's dealing to them or it's is also possible that they have a you know black market source. That's cheaper than what's on the market so I think there's lots of reasons why people might be turning to block market sources. Do we know if the CDC's warnings have worked. If people are going to ease up off the vaping or are we likely to see more hospitalizations allegations more injuries more deaths as a result of people using these devices in the coming weeks and months I have noticed onto on social media and talking to people that there seems to be more awareness about the potential dangers of these devices as a result of this outbreak so maybe it is scaring people off of them. The people who are vaping underage knock it off. Don't do that to your parents as for people who are of legal smoking age. If you want to be just know the risks. It almost killed me whether anyone actually measuring yeah whether you cigarette uses is going down as a result. I don't know.
"vaping" Discussed on The Signal
"Say go like legalized vaping australia area. There are different groups that come to more from the medical side then they're just the tobacco lobbyists themselves certainly british american tobacco and philip morris have lobbyists in camera and as part of reporting this story. I came across something else that philip morris is doing this sending letters to all kinds of groups. It's obscene letters. They've sent to federal politicians. They've let they've sent turk groups health bodies public health organizations but according to people in the business a little more troublingly they've also been targeting indigenous groups so i've seen a letter sent to an indigenous lead corporation in victoria and these lettuce talk about what they call the the increase safety of e cigarettes as compared to normal cigarettes and it also talks about some of this specific products okay.
"vaping" Discussed on Business Daily
"To enormous lengths in terms of how we market the product, how we distribute the product, how age gate when we sell to consumers, both in retail and online to try and ensure as far as is humanly possible that all product doesn't get into the hands of those who are either not current smokers, vapors or who underage in the states. You have had advertising campaigns have being appealing to a younger section of the market. We've actively sought not replicate some of the early mistakes that we made in the US. We did have one regretful campaign which we hold our hands up and say, wasn't appropriate. That was in two thousand fifteen. And you've got to remember it's very effective captured all the tea market. It wasn't particularly effective actually, if you look numbers and unfortunately, I can't release those to you today because they're commercially sensitive, but actually the tremendous growth. This businesses have had over the last eighteen months. Really when it's taken off. And just in terms of the health implications vaping, is that something that you will concerned about? Because there is an FDA investigation taking place at the moment into looking at what the long term effects are? Yes, we absolutely welcome. Long-term research on vaping. What I would say is we've got a ton of data almost cigarettes duty bodies, like public health, England, the Royal College of physicians, cancer research, UK all say that vaping is materially better for you than smoking. Now, we would always say, if you can quit cold Turkey, you should that is absolutely the best outcome for you in terms of your future health. But if you can't, we are trying to offer more options to get people off cigarettes. You'll jiggling as we were speaking. Tell me about your smoking history. So I only joined Joel twelve weeks ago. We've been expanding fast and the news someone to run the UK and I've been at twenty years smoker. How many a day twenty typically. So this relatively heavy smoker Yan for the first ten years of my smoking life when I was in my twenty s. I was pretty fair about it, but as good into my thirties, I really wanted to quit and my wife wanted me to quit and I just I had control of many other aspects of my life. And this is the one area where I just couldn't kick the habit and I tried everything. It was just a frustrating experience, and I always went back to cigarettes. And when I approached by Joel, I'd never heard of Jill and I spent a.
"vaping" Discussed on Business Daily
"Creating a new generation of nicotine addicts and in America. Many of them young and the fallen in love with one particular brand ju. I was in gym class a year and a half back and this girl on friends with she had a jewel and she was asking where she should put her jewel 'cause we are in the middle of this push up test. And I kind of asked, why don't you just put in your bag as very short class? And she's like, you know, I need my ju. It's a needed at all times. That's Jack Waxman. He's nineteen years old. He's just started at university and he set up a campaign group called students against. Nicotine. He's behind the audio clip of the fourteen year old Julia. You heard at the top of the program part of his campaign to make his generation wise up to aping addiction. So this problem was getting worse and worse in my high school, I was seeing a lot of my best friends become quickly addicted to nicotine, especially jewel at very young ages. What is it about jewel that makes it so attractive in particular two teenagers. So the Jews very attractive because of the flavors, the jewel in particular cells, a wide variety of fruity flavors, such as mango and fruit medley and those flavors are drawing kids in. Vaping brands do that as well. So yes. So a lot of other vaping companies sell flavors to, obviously, you look at the fact that the jewel has much more nicotine and then other vapes and other e cigarettes. So if you look at the potency and you compare that you can see why the jeweler so addictive. Obviously, it's the techie twenty-first-century design of the jewel. Because it's really easy to hide, isn't it? Sure, yes. It's very easy to hide kids in my video and the three million kids that are addicted in America. Now have stories about how they juuling class, how they're juuling doing sports practice, how they're doing under the table at dinner with their family says. Cool, basically, isn't it? It's just a cool kind of thing to do. It's definitely cool. Yes. So right now, in order to purchase the jewel in America, you have to be eighteen years old and a lot of high school seniors are eighteen years old. So what you see is high school seniors buying the jewel and then redistributing it to freshmen, sophomore juniors in high school and then even down to middle school. But what you're also seeing is an explosion of online sales that are highly unregulated, and that's leading to kids that are even thirteen or fourteen years old, signing up with a credit card or a debit card that's either in the name of their parents or themselves, and they're just getting shipped right to the house and it's very, very easy. Who do you. Blame for this popularity of juuling amongst teenagers. Did you think it is the company? Would you think it is just the culture among teenagers, they just latched onto this thing? It became a fad and it just took off from that. I don't think we can blame anyone in particular. But what I can say is that there's clearly a tug of war going on between regulators and easy cigarette companies. It's very necessary to have that balance, but it's important to recognize that you know businesses, great, small businesses, great. But when companies are making money by dictating my generation nicotine, I don't think that's so great. Jack Waxman. So just how pervasive is juuling among American teenagers. It's something rope in Cova has been keeping track of. She's head of the truth initiative which describes itself as America's largest nonprofit public Health Organization.