10 Episode results for "Vance McDonald Donald"

Standard is the Standard: Can the Steelers 'stack win's vs. the Ravens in Week 5?

Behind the Steel Curtain

1:06:48 hr | 1 year ago

Standard is the Standard: Can the Steelers 'stack win's vs. the Ravens in Week 5?

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan. It's for steeler fans going on this is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind the curtain dot com with me as always is the dancing folder night Lance Williams yes. How's it going Lindsey feel. It looks like you're energized. You're ready to go. You're excited for the show yeah. I had to go old school tonight. You see the green cap. You know I asked Jeff before we started. How many of you guys have seen a green steeler cap. I got this cat back in the nineties. In I'M GONNA IS GONNA have to get ninety style all this Sunday for the steelers to get that wind is GonNa have to go back to the nineties style but we'll break that down but so yeah man you know Nice Day out here green cap you know what it is Jeff. Go there you go green cap the steelers of are coming off their first win of the season Felicia a big shout out to her. She is in the live chat. She was at the game on Monday night. The steelers won twenty seven three couldn't ask for much better in terms terms of score will we talked a AD nauseam about that in our steelers postgame show if he went lance in my opinion of the game and specific players here's the played well and he does it disappointed. Go back and check that show out but we'll be one tonight. Let's say some of them. Oh Yeah I wanted to ask Felicia she she could comment in the live Chadha. Where where does she get some Gras at. Does she get a permanant pepys. Does she get some local delight some food. you know some local. Pittsburgh cuisine. Let us know Felicia all right. We'll take it out and and crazy. Chris brings up right off the bat. Where's the dollar Sir Gesture. Oh Man I gotta be honest. I got some emails about that with Hashtag Poor Jeff in it past egg something for Mason Hashtag it will the poor jeff was trending. I think for a while but okay we'll learn did you to start the show. Today is before we get talking about the Ravens. We realized that we're a quarter of the way into the season and the steelers Ravi sitting at one and three no one expected the steelers to be in this position yet here we we are and slants decided that instead of going back in and you know giving specific raids to specific players we wanted to just be a little bit more of a general grading of Offense Defense Special Teams and coaching. We're going to go in that order in so when we're talking about this in the live chat I'd love to see what you all would grave the steelers in that specific category so feel free to explain yourself or you just want to throw great out there. That's fine but we're going to give our grades and it's going to be an eighth through scale just like you wouldn't school Let's turn over the offense lance. Go ahead. Give us your grade in acute a key thoughts on the steelers offense at the court prior to their victory against the Cincinnati bungles. I would have given the steelers F on on offense because prior to the bungles game. They were averaging sixteen point three points per game and in the current. NFL with the way passing is the way it is is the way you can't hit receivers. You can't hit quarterbacks the way they've legislated out some of the physicality in the game. There's no way in the world you should average sixteen eighteen point three points per game even with a second year player you add in the twenty seven to three win that up their points as per game to nineteen but they're still giving up twenty eight point three points per game if I have that right if actually they're giving up twenty two points per game so you know if you're only averaging nineteen points per game. We've seen with this offense has been struggles to get first downs. It struggles in the red zone. Its struggles on third down so I say all of that to say that I would give him a nice fat. De Bats yeah to me. I'm torn because you know me. I'm a teacher and so I'm big about pluses and minuses here and so I'm I'm looking at I was thinking about a d plus or a C. minus. I'm leaning towards the C minus after the twenty seven to three win based on the fact clear me out quit shaking her head based on the fact that I liked randy feet or did in the game in terms of a game plan okay. Lance you disagree and you're making the D. on the screen. I see all that stuff but for me. I've at least intrigued enough to say. Let's give him a C minus baby a D plus. It's the same thing yet. It's just a little different. that's my grade. I think there's hope for this unit will put it that way. I don't know Jeff. I know my mom and my parents. I know that if I came home with the D. plus or a C. MIDAS that the ramifications in the differences between between what would have happened to me would have been distinctly different assigned. Mine is still passing. d-plus is not passing passing okay all right in that regard what you mean to d plus there. You think they could have gotten to wins. It'd be a CECE. My is so you gotta go d-plus okay so we both give him DS. I say deep laws. Lances is a regular straight up the let's go to the other side of the football. Defense defense is GonNa be an intriguing you sent a statistic out to Dave Scofield via text that I thought was really eye opening and that was about their red gem stuff the of that stat in front of you. I think I know I don't but I know roughly what it was. I think that they were ranked. Fourth National Football League in red zone defense however they are giving up at the time before I sent the text they were given up twenty eight points a game but were fourth the Red Zone. What that tells you is that teams didn't even have to get to the red. SOx score or the steelers they were just lighting with bid plays days so defensively migrate is going to stay with the letter that you start with when you spell d. but I am. GonNa I put a plus or a minus on it and I'm going to put a minus on it I I think the steelers are very very average defense right now. literate with a lot of communication issues not really good on the line of scrimmage. getting beat up in the run game. They give a bit plays in the passing game the the one thing that this defense does very well and they don't get people off the field. Let me add that one thing that this defense does very well. They get after the quarterback fourth national football ball league and sacks. I believe with fourteen but I'm going to give them a D. minus. This is not steeler football not steeler physical dominant football football that we're used to seeing in the black and gold so D. minus for me. Okay I probably going to hear from you on this great too but there's two do things you mentioned. One of them that I feel are saving raises for this defense the first. He said he said they're fourth currently in the National Football League. Yes fourteen fourteen fourteen after four games. It's a pretty good clip and then I'm going to help me forgetting turnovers. I believe they're tied for second second in the league internal poster plus four plus four okay. I'm looking at the ratio because that includes the offense. I'm just talking about takeaways again. They have nine takeaways always on the season. I think the Toronto behind New England with ten so to me. That's that's an that's a huge upgrade and I think that they've gotten better with guys like Mak- Fitzpatrick in the back head. Did you notice. Have you watched the film of last week. Did did you see I think it just came out today. I think it just came out today. I have not not been able to take a look at it. In fact I think the Patriots Ironically enough I think they have either nine or ten interceptions some like Lazar number of interceptions which is just ridiculous that you have maybe ten interceptions after four games. Some of that is how good they are and who'd played including the steelers right. I'M GONNA go with C. Minus here because the with the sack totals with turnovers the offense has not been helping them out at all especially in the first three games of the season. You saw what could happen if and the steelers offense actually actually has some time consuming dries if the offense actually gives them a chance to rest from time to time they were they were poised to strike as Myron cope used to say interest for all four quarters. It was for all four quarters. They were all out hunting the the entire game so I think there's hope for this unit is well. I have more hope Lance. You may disagree this. I have more hope in the defense in the next quarter than offense. Do you agree or disagree with that. I agree defense has more talent well. They should get wants to Earth Rounder Tim first rounders on a defense a right. That's exactly right and that was before. They got Minka. No I think it was after they got it went to tin and Louis Louis Lulus first rounder to which acts to its second round or correct to who was second. Mark Barron was the first round pick. Wa was the first round. Pick chocolate doesn't count Hilton was undrafted. Sutton wasn't a first sean pick. Vinci was probably late round pick or was he drafted. He was six round picks out of Florida state. Nelson was not at first round picks. There's just a couple of guys. The first round pick Terrell Edmonds of the first Bush was the first round pick but debris was the first round pick. TJ while was the first round pick him hayward was the I pay. My Gosh smells like ooh. GonNa pop song sounds like a lady on Bell Rap He but Naked Rob Day yeah except it's not auto tunes anyways none not to get off on a horrible wrapped engine so I think the defense I'm going to give them a C. minus because it's one of those situations where I think there's a lot of hope there the turnovers this axe wchs out say see mine is I know you're gonNA disagree because the result hasn't always been good if they can make of his Patrick is going to help with us. They can eliminate those big place then. I think they could be a pretty good defense. Yeah I mean I'm disagreeing because some of the numbers are scary. I mean quarterback rating yards per carrie points per game and now it's up to twenty two but before the Bengals game ever given up twenty eight points a game. I mean that is scary. I mean we are in the month of October. We're in that is absolutely Halloween s right but three good teams though let's not forget that I'm not I'm not giving him an excuses giving them a crutch to Ed to lean on but at the same time. Let's not forget the fact that up until week four. There's three teams were combined eight and one I mean you had three pretty good offense is is there so let's see where things go this you as always start slow. They're always a poor September team. The calendar has since flipped to October. We'll see how they do. Let's go to special teams now. Who Cares I care. I Care Chris. Boswell is a part of special teams. We Know Oh had yes you are. You're absolutely correct yeah. You can't add that. I've normally I would say. Let's do special teams but when you have. Chris Boswell coming off such a dreadful season in two thousand eighteen if you have to talk about it. He hasn't missed a kick. He's the best player on the team. Currently I mean he's he's. He's he's the best finish. He's the best guy on the team. He's perfect. This year is perfect so special teams get to a for the fact that he has not missed a kick extra point nothing. Chrissy Boswell Mr Perfect like Paul Orndorff so big up to Chris Boswell special teams. Get that egg raid. I'm going to go a minus. Jordan Berry has surprisingly been okay. He hasn't been in his bad as he normally is. I can't I can't stand that guy but he's been better. This year is is average yards. Per Punt is better. He's pinning teams inside the twenty more. I think he only has a handful touchback some four games that's good but the one thing I liked the most is that last season and even in two thousand seventeen. It seemed like every time the steelers had a special teams play especially any tape of a return or heck sometimes even a block situation. They were getting penalized all the time. It wasn't never return until you saw laundry thrown of his up there. You go there you go so I honestly think that for me. I'm going to go a minus. The penalties are still a concern the my question lands is if if Chris Boswell right now setting up for a forty nine the yard game winning field goal to tie it to win it if he misses it they lose. How confident are you that he's GonNa make that kick. I think he's good make it and I apologize to Joe. Coleman and you are absolutely right. Curt Henning was Mr Perfect Mix Joel who who was Paul orndorff nickname nickname. I saw Paul Orndorff had a nickname. He used to kiss his biceps. He used to power driver move. He had the well-qualified hair he was. It's like I think it was a linebacker from Florida or something like that Paul orndorff. Somebody tells me in a live chat who's Paul Orndorff. Let me drop my specialty. I'm great to a minus eight minus B. Plus because Ryan Switzer. The electric football man gives them nothing the return gay Mr Catch it Stan right where I catch it he gives them nothing in the return game so I'm going to downgrade them slightly to a minus because because he's just inept so as much as you don't like Berry. I don't like Switzer. Soak the Barry Switzer legal offices not getting any money from either one of us well. Here's my question. Can you name any return man. In the National Football League. This baker plays returner check out the American Ninja Warrior Royer podcast for a behind the scenes. Look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Deontay Deontay Jackson made a play of the first game of the season for Denver you one play named one for one what I here's what I'm I'm saying is that I feel like the NFL. They are eliminating the return man from the game. It's basically turning into someone that can fair catch the football. Now you would hope the job that will now. Here's what you're starting to see in Monday night's game when there was a potential return kick who was out there deontay. Johnson was out there not Ryan Switzer if they think it's a fair catch situation and switzers out there. That's what they're going to probably do. They did this. San Antonio homes back in the day. They did this Antonio Brown back in the day and that's I'm sorry Mrs Misses Her Fifth Enzo. Those guys were only used in specific situations. I feel like they're at the point now. Where Ryan Switzer in its is laughable that he has a roster oster spot if this is actually his role is the fair catcher on the Pittsburgh steelers fifty three man roster. 'cause the guy doesn't play on offense anymore anymore. So there you go the drop jurors to what what grade in a minus you were. You were breaking up. I see you now so you said I did not hear so basically no one SWITZER's. Basically they're fair. Catch on the Pittsburgh steelers team so you're dropping your grade down to what an a minus yet met. That's great job almost said a curse word you know in thinking about him getting paid being affair catcher almost said the word that starts with a D. Like Gee. That's a great job and like all these guys that that work super hard to get to the national football league. Don't make it for whatever reason I'm sure they look at Ryan which go do that. I could just catch stay I could I could I could having entire podcast on who of the people I call my financial heroes in my in life and it's people that are making Butler of money and aren't doing a damn thing for for it a Bobby Bonilla's on that list now. That's my God long. I I'll tell you a quick cyber. My personal favorite is is a man by the name of Matt Flynn. Okay Nomad Flynn was a backup for Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers got in he can. He had two WHO Games where he threw. I WANNA say over four hundred yards. He became a free town season. He has no hold on give give a free Asian the off season. The Seattle seahawks paid ate him a boatload of money. They draft Russell Wilson Russell Wilson wins the job Madison's a backup then they cut him. He gets paid still oh he gets a Butler load of money from Oakland. They draft Derek Carr. Derek Carr wins job. He's still making a boatload of money holding a clipboard on the sideline. That's the job Bob. That's why he's my hero because he's not gonNA have. CD's and be able to live his life with all this money yeah. He was getting like three checks at once. I remember this I I'm GonNa. Tell you with another guy. Another another guy like that was Kevin Cobb. Kevin COBB LIT UP A couple of games free agent contract. I used to argue my brother other every day. Kevin cobbs a franchise quarterback. Why based on two starts yeah that was terrible? It just is Shay you how desperate. NFL teams are for quarterbacks. A here's a to ninety nine the tips from Joko Coleman he says donating because of the eighties wrestling references since I'm giving I'm GonNa give jaw another reference. I went to Wrestlemainia to wonder early wrestlemanias that was at the sports arena. I went to that Wrestlemainia wrestlemainia which was that who was the headliner in that one that wasn't hulk vs Andre. The giant wasn't no. I think Mr T. might have been there or something. I can't remember I can't clever pay remember but I went to see it not believe it was at the L. A. Sports Arena wrestlemainia too but I know I went to see a wrestlemainia. I used to go to wrestling cards back then. I saw stark aid in the south. Who is your wrestler back in the day who come on man you gotta ask. Rick Flair core man as you were you were. WCW Guy I was Nwea Guy I can he was with NWEA. I used to watch WMA I used to think the WWF was corny forty because I always hated Hulk Hogan always watch. We have to stop the show now because you just can't do ric flair versus is Harley Race Harley race and Ric flair sixty minutes now a second second tier wrestling for me. I was a wwf guy was a hokey okay. I was a little Hulkamania right around my house taking my vitamins lifting weights. Oh Man I I I can picture that command. You tell me you didn't add a Red Leotard do in the yellow tights but I did have my so habit. Actually is is probably worth the money as little weights little hang rivers had a headband and the wrist bands and stuff is Iraq that around the house all the time. Oh Oh that she give somebody definitely donate in the super chat so we'll pull that out in the next show oh or one of these shows this week I that I think it's back in my hometown. MOMS send it over something but Jeffey Hogan Yeah I had my wall given I was the biggest Hulkah- Maniac ever let me tell you another than even get interviewed by meaner Glenda's invest okay. Let's knock it off on a wrestling tangent here. let's get a coach. Is We want to grade one more thing in the coaches. go ahead. Lance your grade for the coaches because they we have one win. I'm going to elevate the great but it's a d. MINUS this team team in particularly on the defensive outside of football. This team has looked woefully prepared confused communication issues coverage busts so on and so forth. I'm giving the offense offense a little bit of slack because they lost a franchise player to second best quarterback in the organization's history embiid Rothlisberger but the defense defense has been. I don't know it's offense. Almost it's almost no D. in it. it's offense largely so I'm GonNa give them a D. minus Tomlin again lose another challenge although I thought he was going to actually win that one that Pi call was really bad but you know Tomlin is. These slept slept rock of challenges. He never gets anything right hasn't won one since two thousand. Seventeen D- my jeans needs Gee. That's what like eleven loss challenges in a row. It's a lot I don't know the number but wasn't Terro Austin's supposed to be the guy that was who's GonNa fix it. No one's GonNa fix that man. Okay I go ahead and give migrate of a D. Plus in plus only there because I thought that at released against the Bengals who aren't good football team they had a good plan and so in that regard navy like I said with the other two parts. Maybe there's a little a bit of hope that they'll finally start to coach these players so ultimately I think lance it comes down to the fact that we're giving the steelers solid salad ds or D. minuses the first quarter of all right overall grade. It D- For dilly dilly or didn't do diddly or her or any other disease but but yes big up to greg w on the live chat Bob Backlit was my man the chicken wing I love I love Bob op back when the shots the cross face chicken wing. Yes if we go four ninety nine and tip jar from crazy cruces's. Mason Rudolph second career start has a highest completion percentage energy since one thousand nine hundred seventy. NFL AFL merger with that and having been as a mentor. How good can he be. Well if you if the requirement is to flip a coin past maybe thirty six inches then we'll see what they asked him to do. I mean if he can't do do that. The shot play great throw but he can't execute the game plan that they had him. Do against the bengals. Did he's not a professional quarterback. The ball didn't travel a ball travel. What fifty yards we've met like a hundred yards total? Execute the game plan. That's that's the thing that was okay. I guess it was it. You're absolutely right. Kenny executed game played. Yes because he did you might not have liked the game plan but I mean it is another thing Brian Baldinger from NFL network he does all these breakdowns on twitter and he broke down Mason Rudolph and he gave him phenomenal Allegri said look. If you had to see the the Bengals we're gonNA drop into that. Shell and it's going to lead the underneath wide open. He was hidden James Conor tent hidden James Ales for seven. They're good. They're breaking off chunks. It's like an extension of running game so let me ask you right now right now. Who would you feel more comfortable starting just in his hypothetical world Gartner Gartner harder minzhu Menchu Mitch Sar Gardner Minzhu or Mason Rudolph. WHO's better player? I haven't even seen she threw a pass completely on the thing. I haven't even seen highlights. I don't know WII. Look Up Jacksonville Jaguars highlights yeah I just WanNa see more but I don't know how good he can be. I mean I WANNA see him. Execute different types of game plans. I WanNa see him actually push it down the field. Well throw aggressively into tight windows. I get mad. I get that I agree with you a hundred percent but here's the thing we've seen him. Show the ability to make the throws. Okay preseason is preseason but you still have to make the throws and he made he he made those throws in the preseason even week to coming in for Ben Rothlisberger. He made some throws down the field so it is possible that he can do that. I just few he's a guy that runs the system that they put in place instead of the play what they had in place past week. Was We need you to just check it down. We need you to just take what the defense gives you and in that regard job well done. Mason Rudolph you can't you can't fault. The Guy can't info young player for executing a game plan jeff as a fitness guy man. You GotTa look a Gardener Mentions Dad. He's jacked. He is absolutely that guy has jacked. You appreciate his dad. His Dad banks is throwing up some weight. I mean the Guy is absolutely jack but he's in much better shaped his son and he looks like he could give you about ten snaps on the D. Line. Hey I'm dispenser hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script terrific riff on what that means and basically what is it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to it college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP. Can you hear me Lance. I got you now all right. We're good. I am golden all right here. We Are we're back. We're back okay. I think we're back good all right so we have a couple of people that want to catch up on sorry for that little blip on the radar snowman two dollars in the tip jar. He says Jeff so see I get this show up here. Maybe maybe not computer is real while he's eating two dollars to the cause. I guess it's a 'cause it. Lands put out there regards to trying to get me that Mason Jason Rudolph Jersey so here we go. I'm trying to catch up here. Gentlemen and Ladies Gentlemen so be patient all right very good. Let's let's talk about this upcoming game okay. The steelers and Ravens are about to go head to head and what's really crazy when I was doing the AFC north recap for this week doc was the fact that if the steelers win on Sunday in Heinz Field and IF THE CLEVELAND Browns lose to the San Francisco Forty niners. I believe that game is in the bay area correct me if I'm wrong lands and then the steelers would be in first place in the AFC north because because they would all be two and three in this field you have to know AFC north divisional record whereas I want to get your thoughts on this upcoming game just in general nothing really specific just yet but just general what are your thoughts on this game. You know I think sometimes I think the football like boxing or sometimes you know different you analogies are different metaphors from different sports. Come into my mind when I think about AL football and in this game I kinda think of boxing you know when they say the popular adage. Dow's makes fights and this is an interesting stylistic match shop because you know what the Ravens WanNa do and it attacks some of the glaring weaknesses of this defense that we've seen thus far far one of those. Is You know how they respond to play action. Passes covering tight ends and their run defense you now. This is going to be a very physical game because the ravens are going to pound you on the ground. They've got to get it done on the ground so I think from from certain perspective this is going to be you know one of their most difficult challenges on a short week plan against a really physical football team. I'm not disagreeing with you. There are a lot of potential matchup nightmares exists between the steelers and Ravens especially from the Ravens offense with the steelers defense. Lamar Jackson is a nightmare no matter who's playing. Have you watched that Kansas City achieve scheme the waning waning minutes of that game he had gone to his right. It looked like a video game the moves that he made discover touchdown. I mean you keep on waiting for that. One time where he's just GONNA get ear. Hold these spin the wrong way. There's going to be a defender burned down it. Just it hasn't happened in a maybe you won't happen. I don't know Michael Vick didn't get jacked up that many times in his career so I think the Lamar Jackson is a quarterback that just like all the other ones you talk about the Michael Vick of of the world. What did they always say whenever you had to play Michael Vick you want to count them in you. Don't WanNa let him get out of the pocket. You WanNa make sure that he has to throw the football from the pocket. I think that if the steelers have any hope is that you have to force you have to force Lamar Jackson said turn into a thrower in that's where he struggled the most nets where he's known struggle missed now my question lance. If you're defending eh the ravens in especially we are Jackson. Are you using a spy. You said on the post game show you probably would. Who would you deploy though to be that it's Fi- to keep an eye on him? At all times I mean I think it has to be rookie has to be Devin Bush. I mean athletically Devon despite the only guy that could maybe run with Lamar because the March Axa four three guy but the other thing. He's a big guy too. I mean he's bigger four three guy. He's not a slight guys not huge but he's not a slight guy. He's not like a Russell Wilson. I mean he's a big guy and you know I mean. I hate to sound like I'm using hyperbole but Lamar Jackson is the best athlete the National Football League I mean this guy is is is a freak week. I mean this guy has four three speed. He could probably throw the ball seventy five yards in air strong arm. I mean he's just he's just one of those. Those guys amongst freaks. That's a super freak. I mean he's Rick. James whitted you know you know but you gotTa make them throw. I mean you have to make them throw. I mean the thing about the ravens is they don't have really good receiving weapons from the wide receiver position but they are blessed with three pretty good tight ends and that's something that the steelers struggle with so. I mean the steelers are going to have to and that's why award this green hat and that's why ward is green hat. Green hat is from the nineties and in the nineties we can remember that the steelers play really physical defense in the front seven they they brought the hard hat day lick people and typically when you play the steelers you felt and if the steelers are GonNa win this game on Sunday. Take out to bring hard hat. They gotta bring it this Sunday because the ravens are going to try to pound you with that running game with Ingram with Jackson and they are going to stay committed to it and they are going to do it so the steelers Cata bring your heart hat on Sunday if they want to win this game well. If there's one positive is the game is is at home I would be very concerned. If this game coming off shore we were on the road the NFL Scheduling Committee did it did them a solid by keeping this game at Heinz Field for me. I think this this contest in general and we continue to talk about the ravens offense versus the steelers defense because I think that's the most intriguing part of this game the browns they gave up a little bit on the ground but they really did put pressure on Jackson that made him uncomfortable. He never could really set his feet in. If there's one thing that I say that the steelers are good at it and it's you know this. Lands is is putting pressure on the quarterback. That's been their. Mo The last three seasons under Keith Butler and so if they have a standing chance they've Dave to get to Jackson when he drives back to throw and they had to stop the run. It sounds elementary but that's it right. I mean another. The thing is you know part of this is football complementaries to L. Ultimate complementary game. They've got to get out in front two got a score some points because if they can get out in front front or Ravens you can limit the number of opportunities you're going to see in the running game you want as you said you want. Lamar Jackson to pass the football and and I'm looking at at Zen masters comments no Lamar Jackson is not a killer. He is a developing young quarterback athletically. He's a killer he he can wreck your game by making athletic plays that are just out of this world where you do everything right and he just beat you with his athletic ability. You know he has God given ability like that. I mean you gotTa give the young man you know his props on that. He's not going to assassinate you and kill you in the pocket throw after throw after throw but he has improved and yes. They have not played very good competition but you're still beating. NFL fell teams and he's still a freak. You know what you're going to get with the Ravens. The question is can you stop it. I mean thing you look at the Ravens. and you look get their running game and I was just writing down some notes to myself I mean I think this will probably be be the most multiple running offense. You'RE GONNA see power power. You're GONNA see zone. You're going to see zone read. You'RE GONNA see Bootleg jet action misdirection. I mean they're not just going to line up and try to run it down anger throat. They're going to do some of that but they're going to do. A lot of different things in the run game and one of my main concerns is not necessarily just the physicality of the Ravens running game. It's the communication issues. We've seen this defense have in the first couple of games because you know he's GonNa. Chuck it in guys bellies. He's GonNa pull it out. He's GonNa play action going to put it in a belly run with it. I mean he's reading stuff so you ought to be really organized. In on paid your is going to happen. You're going to have to have your eyes on him and you're going to have to be physical not go for the fakes and all that stuff that they're going to try to prevent. CH- or excuse me to show you in this particular game in my opinion and Mingka Fitzpatrick is an x factor in this game and a lot of ways. He seems to be the organizer in the deep end and I think that his presence presence will be felt but and Ryan brings this up and I was going to mention this as well Vince Williams. was a full participant today in he he can be back in the lineup and if he's back in the lineup. I say you put Mark Barron on the bench least only put him in certain positions and you lead Vince William. Stop the run. Here's the interesting thing with the Ravens. The Ravens play a ton of eleven personnel absolutely so they're gonNA put they're going to put three wide receivers on the fields that are going to try to schematically take Vince Williams off the field by putting out you know multiple receiving threats in eleven personnel with those three wide receiver. Tell DOE run onto tights a lot too because they have they can catch yes. They do an and that's GONNA be. The challenge always advanced challenge with Vance. Is you know can't Vince. It's cover tight ends with the steelers can't bear in cover tied hands. Kim Bush cover tides. I mean that's that's. That's the thing with this game as well as that. All all the targets or majority of the targets Goethe Raven tight ends. That's the challenge as well. I mean they really WanNa hit guys down in the middle of field in between numbers numbers. I mean nasty throw that he likes to make he might he likes to make that seem throw to mark. Andrews and so who would be that guy in the deep in the deep secondary. There is the guy that you want to be. It's going to be making sure yeah. and you know. I'm sure they're going to try to give bearing. I mean they saw tyler I for drop that touchdown pass in the end zone so you know it's going to have to be on his PS and QS in this game because they're gonna go after him with titans absolutely yeah okay. Let's switch to the other side. Let's talk about the steelers offense against the Ravens Stevens. I have felt that the that the Ravens defense ends has been over hyped overrated in the early portion of the season because you saw them just dominate Miami team. I saw them give up. A lot of plays late late. Arizona and I saw Cleveland pretty much moved the ball. Will you talk about boss on the steelers defense secretary. The Ravens were like Captain Captain Captain Bust against the Browns I don't know if they knew how to cover. The tate in that thing gets a rookie seals or something like that just went off on. They just were leaving him untouched in the secondary. I think that this is where this game sadly i. It sounds elementary again. If the the steelers can put up points I think they win. The question is can they put up points because the ravens are still good at stopping the run but in the back end. That's I'm not so sure. Lands what your thoughts on this match up. You know it's interesting because get this is going to be very different than I think what we saw on Monday night. I think you're going to see Mason Rudolph be much more aggressive in the passing game in really tried to get after those corners. you know for the Ravens. The Ravens are given up. It plays I think right now in the running game I think we saw the running game tricked up and gadget it. I think both of us think we outing. Both of us. Don't have much confidence in steelers running game. It's GonNa have to compliment what they WANNA do in the passing game. I think there are opportunities there. Let me ask you Jeff. Does Dante Moncrieff. Get a hat this week because I because I think I think you need to put your your your best white receiving weapons out there and I'm not so sure I feel so comfortable in this game with the rookie and with James Washington as the three wide receivers with Juju Smith Schuster. You know that that doesn't make me scared at all. You know I'd like to who at least mix in you know maybe moncrieff if his fingers are okay I I just don't. I don't know how you how or why you would do it to be honest with you because he was an active two weeks ago he he was active on Monday night but according today's goof because he only played three stamps. I don't remember seeing him on the field. That was the victory formation. They threw out there. All man the cold the Sierra but still you think about it. Look these these three guys or do. They have what he gets. A helmet will depend a lot on Vance McDonald and his his health whether he's able to play it's a numbers game in Davis. Scofield is ridiculously good at predicting the inactive list so he's a guy to ask and if he's in the live chat he he does his prediction article every Saturday before a Sunday game of savvy curious to see if he thinks he'll get a hat at this week but I don't feel so. How are you feeling about the steelers weapons in the passing game. I mean as I said it out loud you know. I I was cringing. What when I said those wide receivers and I didn't even at Switzer I mean Switzer they have three. They have three wider like I is. Do you feel like this wide. Receiver core is good enough to consistently beat eight-man coverage not right now I think I think they're getting there. I think the deontay Johnson is really improving a lot. What if you watch the game again. I really felt that he was. He's doing little things that he's starting to figure out as as a rookie it takes time. He's he's coming back to the football. You know he's learning when to cut off his route. His report with Mason Rudolph is is really developing. What's really ticking me off off. Though is how there's no report seemingly between James Washington in Mason Rudolph two guys that played four years of college football together. Everyone just assumed that they would go out and it would be like just pick up where they left off if you're GONNA win on Sunday I'm going to save right now. James Washington is going to have to makes a place period. Why are they targeting and he got one target a game. Now I know some of the game plan was was more toward you know a bald. He was talking about the short passing game in fact a running backs retargeted seventeen times in that game. I think the wide receivers were targeted less than ten times so it was clearly the the type game plan that focused on the short passing game and really attacking in the short to intermediate levels. Why is he not getting targets but he's getting a ton of snaps well he. He is believe it or not and this is something that puts out there. I'll throw it up on the screen there. He is considered one of their better blocking receiver so that's one of the reasons he's getting a lot of snaps is that he is out there helping to block on those obvious or those running downs but in terms of targets. I don't know why he's not getting targets and I don't know if it's EAS- knots getting separation I don't. I'm not sure I wish I did now you would that sounds like you know like he's out there to block. You know when a when a lady goes out with a guy just because he's a nice guy but he's not really all that attractive. That sounds like he's a good blocker like like the guy that had only the dead. That's it's that simple. Fact has only every everything to do with why he's playing. A lot has nothing to do targets because if he's run blocking they're not gonNA throw the ball anyways obviously but question is why are they not targeting him. That's what I wanted to do. I mean I don't I don't. I don't know I mean any he time other than highs ward. Let me throw that caveat out there other than hines ward whatever you're talking about a wide receiver and one of his best S. attributes is blocking. That's not a good thing I I understand that. I just want to see him. You get a chance because every time we've seen him on the field in the preseason. It's been two straight years now when he's given a chance in terms of combat catches and things of that nature he seems to make the play and so I wanna see I guess I keep on waiting for them to have a game were off his actually unleash a little bit and he can take shots and he can actually throw those debates and the some of the throws they would dial up within a quarterback not saying they're the same quarterback and I'm not saying that he's as good has been or anything of that nature. What I'm saying is that I hope those are the plays that typically go to Washington Washington's not a wide wide receiver screen guy. He's not that's just not hit. deontay Johnson's Guy's GonNa make someone miss get an extra three to four yards juju Smith Schuster the guy that's going to catch that pass stiff arm. Somebody breaks tackle and get maybe three four five six seven four yards. James Wash doesn't fall into that Cara category for in my opinion some. I'm hoping that this game plan opened things up a little bit more that might open up James Washington more in he's the guy that's probably going to have to beat that man coverage period. We know what the Ravens used to do to Mr third and fifth they would put three defenders on Juju. Smith Schuster is going to be blanketed. I'm sure deontay. Johnson's going to get some attention because he's got two touchdowns in the last two games. James Washington is going to be the x factor for me offense he better be because there's not many options back there and and they're they're they're definitely not guys that make you feel making glue sleepover you know. They're going to have to really scheme this up now. Let me ask you this. If advanced McDonald's healthy you like a running to tights with Nick Bennett and Vance McDonald Donald. I think those two could be really really good formation for the steelers down there. I mean I do you can pass protect. the issue in this game also on offense aside football. I think the DC for Baltimore's as Wink Martindale correctness is your love at name. I Love Them. They're like a TV host. The Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah so the nasty other thing that's going to make his game very difficulty is the familiarity of the Ravens have with the steelers and the Ravens give you a lot of different looks and it's going to be a cerebral game for Mason Rudolph as well but on the flip side the steelers are very familiar with wink what they do you know on defense and I still think the ravens like you said or trying to to really try to find themselves defense particularly with Earl Thomas being that guy back. They're not eric. Wetter Eric Wedge does a fantastic player. You know although although it didn't show on Sunday against Tampa Bay when I gave up I think fifty eight points whatever it was a against Tampa Bay but this is a tough spot for the for the young quarterback division opponent. Ravens a physical team runs to football I. It's going to be very interesting. You ask you Jeff. How would would you defend the steelers. I mean when I'm thinking about the steelers. I'm thinking I would play cover two I play cover two I play a lot of to men I. I don't think the wide receivers can get open and I'm GonNa play two safeties deep just in case and I think I can handle your running game was set. I'M NOT GONNA commit another guy in a box. I don't I think you can run it. So most of my coverage looks are GonNa have to high safeties. I'm GonNa just play a too high safety. Shell against you I don't think think you can run it any. I don't think you can beat me deep and get off man. That's what I do. I play a lot of two man against the steelers avenue just a single high safety and drop out extra player down the box because if what I've seen so far with Mason Rudolph that they're not gonNA throw the ball. Downfield anyways and so there you're GONNA try to run it or they're gonNA run. Short screens screens intermediate routes in which case I'm GONNA won an extra defender there to help and prevented from turning turning three or gain into a seven or eight yard gain so you kind of have Robert. You'd have a lurk so you had a safety lurking. You'd have one high safety and the safety is kind of planning to lurk lurk safety either side. A either safety is to lurk in case in which case on the flip side the offense coordinator. This is where you have to draw up this. You know you're going eleven personnel now a three wide receivers you have got to get used to win your one on one match ups because that safety that one high safety is going to pick a side so. Rudolph's GonNa have have to look off. He's going to have to deliver a good pass down the field. That's something rothlisberger is always good at this prime. I'm not so sure about this current quarterback in this current receiving crop but at the same time that's what did this way. You'd have to do speaking of Rothlisberger. What was that quote. The Tomlin said everybody said I did ask is Dale Elliott Decay. His sports who asked was having Been Rama's Burger on the sideline helpful and I think Tomlin's response was in terms of playmaking taking he did nothing a and been already looked like these gangs some weight too yeah. I told my wife watched that he's on that all carb diet now man. He's scarfing down scar gravy fries baby gravy for is from Raymond. He's a big fan of me and my love affair with Ben Roth's Baristas the reason why can't Jeff Love Big Ben like Lanza shaking my head at the dollar tip jar thanks Raymond. He knows it. I am Ben Rothlisberger Fan and he knows Atlanta's is not. That's why he said that so What's what's rains image? That was that image. I was trying to make it look like he was pumping gas but then take concert okay. I didn't know what it looked like a firearm looking pumping gas. I don't know what that what is that Ray I don't know what that is the fully ever tell us where where she went to eat at yes. She said she you got pizza somewhere but that was a long time ago. I can't call probably went to video. She probably went to Minneapolis. I don't know I don't know if that place is still open. Hope mini meals are still open every five dollars Kathy in in the Super Chad she says what do you think of Tomlin's comments. were getting on the sideline. which is what we're just referred to What do you think of Ben being on the sidelines Lance Tom. It was basically saying don't ask me about people that don't play that was kind of his nice is a gruff way of saying that at. Hey Ben is still in check so you might as well pay you for your brain helped. The quarterback helped a young guy out mentally still come to work being a meeting rooms and help this kid. GET THROUGH IT Yeah I. It's got to be its unique situation. You know what I mean because Ben's planning on coming back and you have to wonder I if I Mason Rudolph having been around is okay. I don't know if I want him in the meeting room. I don't know if I want to hear what he has to say. All the time 'cause I would be tempted to look at him and say man what you shut up. It's my show for the next thirteen games now or whatever the Jeff Jeff get little now but I've seen if I Mason Rudolph. I don't know if I want Rothlisberger always always around and he's on the sideline is an in game thing and he's looking at the the tablet with you and they're pointing out things. That's fine. I get that maybe you shoot like I could see yeah. I can see that you know I I guess bank probably help you know like you shoot over to game plan. You shoot over some coverages different blitzes that they show you you know. What are you seeing the in here. What's the tip you know. What are you looking he needs. He has to utilize Benz brain. I'm not saying he shouldn't I'm not saying I don't. I don't know if I would want him around all the taught if he is around all the time but we know they're not going to be around on. Its He's GonNa. He's on the golf course man. He's had that handicapped down so what will want arm or he's GonNa. Try to try to get that a hidden. drop what I heard. Is that the elbow surgery. He'll be able to rehab that pretty quick in terms of being able to swing the golf club. He'll play tennis or something left handed tennis man. Can you imagine social media blowing rolling up if trying to think of a golf course in Pittsburgh quicksilver I think golf courses and I was just trying to think of one that came to my ahead in quicksilver is one. That's one. It's well not oh come on. I mean they're trying gotta think of just a regular course not Oakmont I thought the play quicksilver so it's just a name I remember you know just imagine what I did say that a Mario a imagine if he got spotted on a golf course around week nine nine two seven I mean social media would just explode. I mean Dion Sanders. Just go nuts it would just be awful in the green. TV's been gained sixty pounds in basketball shorts winner Biz. Go put it on a fast I I I'll guarantee I mean what could he do from. We're fitness perspective right now like walk the treadmill. I mean he can't do much impact. I mean acting look like he was a mummy. I it however they found a trainee any am I do. A lot of lower body work. a lot of bike work not actually on a bike a stationary bike aerodyne bike or air assault bike things like that. They can still get his cardiovascular work in I do a lot of lower body strengthening I would actually do some stuff with his healthy th-y arm as well There's actually been studies that show that if I let you break your right arm if you train your left arm still you'll have less read degeneration in in your right arm even able to be used so he could lift a Hoagie. You get it get easier. go-getter interoffice. Burger he'd go to Sam sups in Oakland and lift US up or lift a huggy or a hero aurore. Whatever you guys call it. I think we we call our hoagies Pittsburgh. Lift the home. It's YUP now. Here's a read says maybe Ben will do his radio show again. This was never publicized but he is doing a radio show again. It's just not what 93.7 the fantasy. WD One hundred two point five yeah. I think that's what it is in Pittsburgh and so for me I look at it and say that you know he's just basically calling into the show whenever he has time is not a structured every Tuesday at eleven. AM The ben Rothlisberger show will be on he is he is giving his opinion. It's just not as structured as it was. Wow crash strobe lights going on. I'm just looking at is going on. That's because I have the TV ordered background and so I think the flashing lights from from the TV aboard had been a dangerous been so I'm glad it's not just on the radio. That's the dangerous big. I mean with nothing to do voice in his opinion. Oh my God that view really get bad okay we. We have a few minutes left. We talked about this game. I thought we did a good pretty much. General analysis says of what's coming up for the steelers LANTA. I need to know what your prediction is. I'm not sure with the spread is the steelers were three and a half point underdogs at home. The last I saw I'm not sure the over-under fear in the live chat and you know those numbers that are up to date. Send them through so we can give you our thoughts on that. They should stop it. Releases comment was good Reggie. Yeah no China might be better Lancer. You know okay so much. Let us know what yes he had. What's your prediction for this game. Let me give you my my my keys real quick just running some package defense. You gotta be able to defend tight ends. It's the game where you gotta tackle. Bring your hard hat. You gotTa Bake Lamar Beechwood his arm. We talked about you. GotTa be sounding play action and you gotTa have great communication for all the different things that they do in the run game with all that set the steelers will not win this game. I think the steelers I think the ravens events will win eight seventeen wow. I can't believe predicted that close. What was your score the week of week four the Dangles Game Twenty Seventy four twenty twenty. I'm thinking twenty four twenty. I don't know what I picked. I picked the Bengals but I'm picking yeah okay. I'm picking the Ravens to win. This car is a day times says that the steelers are getting three and a half with a forty four and and a half over under so what was your vinyl prediction and again twenty eight Seventeen Ravens and I'm also predicting that as a team to ravens. We'll run for over one hundred yards. Running backs will average over four and a half yards carry all right. That sounds like Jake That's interesting so okay. I'm GonNa say that this is a game that I think is the perfect setup for the steelers. I am a big proponent of a I. I have a big proponent of emotion in sports and I think that this is the perfect game for the steelers following twenty seven to three winner prime time because there's a lot of times when you have these letdowns and I'm not talking about Mike Tomlin's record against Blah Blah Blah Blah. I'm just talking about the emotional. Let down from a big win and I don't care who's the Owen three now and four bengals. You were in front of a national audience. You put put up a good performance and there's a lot of times as an a tendency to say okay. We can kind of relax. We got our first win but the Ravens are going to cause his teams are really get a laser focus and I think that this offense although they might have to be very scheme heavy I like the way they're trending defensively. I did say that I did say that. I think the bigger fitzpatrick is is the X. Factor. I did say that I think James Washington's. The X factor on offense and I think both of those players play well. I think there that Mason Rudolph the one that steals the show in this game and I think that this issue is defense. Continues Turnover trends that we've seen so far this season that's right. I picking the steelers to win I wanted to have the steelers was getting points but take him on the money line too. I like the steelers to win this game. I'm GonNa go with twenty. Seven twenty seven actually actually check that twenty eight twenty seven steelers when one point game they are two and three and then we'll see what's going on in terms of the I'm actually going to take the the over antique dealers getting the points Twenty eight twenty seven. You heard it here first. Did you see Ryan Kellerman comment. He said I'd secretly worked for. ESPN brother works for ESPN is Max Kellerman off. I take you know there's only like seven Kellerman in the country. I know that guy is related to Max. Keller is probably his cousin or someone wants to know why even has steelers stuff on picking the team every every week Hertzberg. I'm from the north side no hey. I'm just picking who I think is who is going to win. I mean just going to pick them every week. We don't WANNA ear. Both of US picked the steelers. Just pick them to win every week he this is a question they years. Lands picked the steelers to win all zine. Yes you did. I think he picked up the win and week to do you absolutely I think I picked up a couple of weeks with. Let's let's see here. You did not pick ah you're going to beat the ankles yet. You've got one right. I've got to write this year. we both picked him to beat the seahawks. Yes I picked him to lose it. Patriots you pick them against the Patriots. See Dog me out man you pick what he beat the major. That's probably the worst pick of the season as far are they got smashed. Then was her then was hurt and I am determined that van was hurt and it ruined everything at the beginning of the season but he kept throwing throwing it so he's a gunslinger number seven right. That's right so so for me. I'm a superstitious guy. My wife has me today. She goes this mean on Sunday. You have to sit in that chair and you got to wear those clothes and said yes. Yes and yes so what's what's your snack. What are you eating. What's your snack food for Sunday snacks. I'm too busy. I gotta work. I gotTa have the laptop. I'll eat at halftime. I might go and grab something. Protein shakes something like that heavy. I gotta be a point no carbs. I see nihay carbohydrates is the right ones got hydrates hydrates. How about a pickle pickles. That's fine Vlasic Cedar. You go not does but yeah I do. I aw special pickles Jeff Dies and stuff and those nasty he'd be careful that stuff lands telling you telling you care for that stuff all right folks so anyways listened to here's the deal. We have a lot of stuff coming your way tomorrow. I will be on with Brian Davis Jewish preview show Friday night. It'll be land as yeah. I said it hopefully he's home from the Strip club by then if you don't overtime about-turns this Jim Crown light on sorta light on becoming in a strip club so it's one of those things that if you were talking about you have to follow us on Youtube Youtube move and type in the BTC live radio subscriber channel and you can watch all these shows and you can see what lance talking about so but I in this is as a good point and I get emails about this. Sometimes there's a lot of comments. Russia's lays enjoys being the bad guy lanza wrestling fan. If you picked up on the you he's a he'll. He likes being the he'll. He lives up to it so every time that you'll say he's not a fan. Why's this guy on here. I hate lands. These shows sock. He's like you're. You're feeding right into it creating this monster. You know it's a Oh I'm listening to. I saw dare I didn't no lands is the incense candle guy so it candles. Maybe soya candles gotta go with the natural. Soy Candles Yeah Yeah. I don't like to see semi. Hennessy was my drink in the twin. When I was in my twenties I just do Purba now. One one single ice cube no Hennessy war. This is very true as he gets when it comes tonight. You have to have an odd couple to make it entertaining. It doesn't get much more different. Lancet lanced exactly exactly and I believe absolutely yes now. I guys I trust me. I've I've gotten newlands over the past. What is six seasons now lands we've been doing. I've got to know him a lot off the air. This guy is a steeler stand through and through he just this calls it like it. Is I see the world through black and gold glasses. He sees a different Lens. It's all relative. It's base for a good show. That's what we're so. Take hits for what it's worth so make sure you check out behind the curtain dot com for all your. Pittsburgh steelers needs and lance. Why don't you send us off tune in tell a friend an and subscribe and if he won be ready Sunday after the game went back on for a steelers postgame show hopefully awfully talking about lance eating crow for the second week in Iraq. I actually eating Raven there. You go eating Edgar Allan Crow grow. Thanks listen everybody. We'll see in the next show.

Pittsburgh steelers National Football League football Ravens Jeff Jeff Mason Rudolph lance Deontay Deontay Jackson Ryan Switzer deontay Johnson CLEVELAND Browns Dave Scofield Chris Boswell Ben Rothlisberger Pittsburgh Vance McDonald Donald Mark Barron James Washington Florida
Liz Loza

Fantasy Feast: 'Eatin

38:06 min | 1 year ago

Liz Loza

"All right. Do you want to get an advantage over the house this fall. It is all about the only app you'll need to make smart beds. It's this season. Keel already has sharp data for week one n._f._l. Games of you want an inside edge for who the pros are backing into the checkout checkout sharp dad also available for week one college football some very big point spread. You'd be surprised which side of point spreads red short are backing. You can stay up to date with the line movement with beck track lines leading up to kick off their powerful algorithm. Provides vides rated best bets each week based off a detailed analysis of recent and historical team trends plus. If you live in new jersey pennsylvania you can in claiming exclusive offers right now from sports books and us back data to make the right bet ted to the app store or google play store store to download bet q. l. today. It's time to get in my bag. Sit down and get ready to consume an abundance abundance of fantasy football knowledge from russ tucker and evans silva me so hungry on the fantasy pieced podcast yet l. Let's see baby. It is the fantasy feast eating podcast and if you're looking for a place to make your online wagers head over to bed online dot a._g. Aged use the promo code podcast one to get the fifty percent sign up bonus. Today i am ross tucker. Evans silva's my co host. At least he's for another week or so today. We've got to podcast this week as we've been doing the show that so nice we do it twice. The second episode tomorrow will be my ol- line tears that you are really going to enjoy. It will be my offensive line tears that give you the extra added advantage edge. You need will also be giving away that n._f._l. Game pass code on tomorrow's fantasy feast podcast so make sure you find brian's tweet at our t. f. podcast or look up my mike quote tweet at ross tucker and fell and just re tweet it or quote tweet it and let us know why you should win the n._f._l. Game pass and you could be the person awesome we announce on tomorrow show today. We've got liz loza from yahoo fantasy. She is terrific run awesome story story recently that we're going to dive into momentarily with liz very thankful to get her on. I gotta let you know who the feast entry winner there. Is this week. There's lots of ways that you can enter that contest including taking advantage of any of the sponsors you here on the show. Maybe it's pro football focus who knows they offer the most in depth stats analysis to give you a massive edge over your competition. Don't wait another season guessing which which players to draft or fade use analytics to optimize every draft pick trade offer and d._f._s. Lineup yep sign up at dot com and use promo code f twenty five to save twenty five percent on your order. If you're in high i stake stuff they've got p._f. Elite which is cool join today and prepared to win go to dot com use promo code code f f twenty-five to save twenty five percent for a limited time the winter kyle glazer. Yes another man's scape dude congratulations. I told you guys manscaping was a big one. Another one is if you become a patron of r._t. Media which is the company that produces all the shows ross tucker football podcast even money fantasy feast college draft become a patron and say hey what i want more than anything to get into the fancy feast redraft league. Let me know but today's winner kyle glazer. Not only bri did he. He take advantage of the man scapegoat. This guy went to a troubling troubling level in which he said that unless this totally creeps me out and does he will man scape r._t. R._t. into his yeah that's what it will do so i kinda weird but but i wanted people that were willing to go the extra mile so i will give him credit for that and he will be the winner this week. Maybe a._b._c.'s loser momentarily when he actually does that but he's the winner. Do me a favor kyle. Don't send me a picture. I don't need a picture picture of that. No thank you what i do want before we talked to liz. I want you guys to know that i agree a huge fan of penn state huge fan of the eagles growing up. I know what what it's like to be a die hard fan. I know what it's like to want to yell at the tv and not talk to anyone for the rest today but good news. There's a show from one dri called sports wars that tells the stories of some of the greatest sports rivalries he's of all time brett farve versus aaron rodgers raphael and the doll versus roger federer shack jack versus kobe. The new season is all about college football rivalries oklahoma versus texas georgia florida. Even if you didn't go to either one of these schools you're gonna love hearing how intense these rival resort. You're not gonna wanna miss. These stories stay tuned at the end of today's episode so fancy feast podcast to hear a clip from sports wars. You're going to really enjoy the end of the day's episode you are going to. Here's a clip from sports wars right now. Let's get to liz so this is really cool because i've been i wouldn't say it's fair to say. I've been trying thing to get a liaison for years but i've been having liz on my list at least to get on for years knowing. I wanted to get her on the show. You can absolutely and you should check her out on twitter. It's spelled allies e. l. a. underscore f f she does a fantastic. I mean fantastic job for yahu. She has a story that just came out that we're gonna dive into. It's all upside fantasy football team which i love because liz. Let's be honest. That's how you win like you guys with upside to cash in for you. If you're in a competitive league that's the difference hitting those upside i players but also keeping balance and while while constructing a roster in mind could you can't you can't draft the sean jackson in every around right or you're gonna get banged so you have to kind of think about who are floor players that will mesh well with your ceiling targets but ceiling targets are so much more fun because i think i mean i know ross. You're like a dad and a husband so in life. Maybe we have to be responsible but in fantasy the ball a little bit of fun and go all upside right and i just have to say you went to princeton right dude yeah yeah yeah so i went to brown. Oh does it. I hope it. Does it bother you that you couldn't get in to like a really good. Ivy schools the only only if it bothers you because you spent all that time eating clubs in princeton while we were actually so wait a minute liz auger no first of all. Did you play a sport or something and i was actually a competitive figure skater all through like elementary school junior high in high school well <hes> i didn't go to university of delaware. Which is the school. That has the best like figure skating program. I also played volleyball but i'm five two as most most people now have tiny person and so i wasn't a particularly good center so college. Volleyball wasn't really set up for me. No pun intended or so i do that was awesome so i i my point of asking that was did you get into brown based solely on your academic merit. I would say yes s. Recruited athlete i did not i did not apply as an athlete now holy cow so just let the record show that that means liz is definitely a thousand percent smarter than i am because there is no chance that i would have gotten into the prince and are any of the ivy leagues without football so that tells you that liz is very very bright among her other wonderful qualities. That's awesome liz. Gimme gimme the background give your listener is the backer and that's the most important thing we'll get into the fantasy stuff but i always liked to personalise my guest. I are so i so i know you went to brown but go before that. Where'd you grow up. How'd you get into fantasy football and how'd you get the gig allen. I'll make it quick. I a group in chicago. My mom was a single mom. <hes> since the time i was thirteen months. I'm the only kid so is the her and i but she was out trying to make a living so my grandfather who who was the embodiment of the carl sandburg poem if anyone knows carl sandberg <unk> bit of a reference but clearly i'd like to read as as we've already discuss because the browns step but like world war two vet grizzled guy that worked on the railroads he was kind of my primary caregiver because my mom was busy so he was the guy hi who was you know taking me to to girl scouts into figure skating and to any of the camps and stuff that i was in and so i ended up learning all the stuff that if were speaking in gender normative terms like boy would learn and <hes> supports became a huge giant chicago sports fan and he unfortunately fortunately when i went away really wanted me to go to north western so that i would stay close. He was really really like to stay close baby state and i was like no i wanna go out east. I want to discover cover. What all of this is about. I can't say not brown so i went out and he unfortunately passed away the first semester of freshman year and i came home minutes away to grieve. I just started watching. I turned on the t._v. In the bears were playing the vikings and the bears lost because that's kind of how they do injured originally and and <hes> i then as a way degrees started watching every single football game not just the bears games and that became a tradition for me best word a couple of years. I'm dating this this guy. He's in this thing called the fantasy football league. He says to me sheepishly. One sunday morning and i was broke like i was straight out of college had no money was waiting tables trying to figure out my life and he had something called the red zone channel and he said do you mind if we watched this all day on sunday and like kind of hang out on the sofa uh and i was like are you kidding me. Are we ordering wings or chinese. Like what are we doing here. That's awesome. Let's totally watch football all day so i ended up like kind of secretly managing co managing his fantasy football team to a victory to a super bowl victory next year i wanted my own team didn't wanna share don't like to share so i okay <hes>. There happened to be a spot in the league. I took it. I won the super bowl that year. When the super bowl the next year then one day i was watching fantasy football live on which i am now a cast member which blows my mind and thought why why are there no women in the space. I could do this i should do. I enjoy this so. I started a blog called. The fantasy football girl dot com created a real life contact content schedule be logs put myself made it a job like made it a third job and then also started a podcast started a twitter feed and just hit like just was grinding on it and really trying to learn from others and engage with others and i did that for about four years before scout notice to me signed me to <hes> a season-long deal and then yahu paid attention in poached me away from scout out and niamh now entering my fifth season with yahoo fantasy liz. That's amazing first of all. Both your mom and your grandpa sound awesome absolutely awesome. I'm just picturing your grandpa taking you you know to girl scouts and all all that stuff and god bless him man that is that's a that's a man's man right there so that that is awesome that that really really touched me and then as for everything else that is really interesting and cool. I guess my question was when you went to brown and then you graduated. What did you think you were going to do. What did you major in you guys. Don't even have major no majors no grades yeah. We have concentrations ross kirk. I am so i will admit my first semester not just because of my grandfather's passing but just in general like i was a basic tom girl from the midwest to showed up wearing birkenstocks like i knew nothing about rich kids about east coast. Life brown was very difficult for me to culturally adjust to but i really wanted to study a whole bunch of stuff so the front my freshman year i just kind of took everything from art history to the history of the vietnam war to theater classes and dabbled and then i ended up deciding to major in theater and linguistics six my mom was not going to allow me to go to college just meter theater so she was like baby you pick something else and i speak spanish so i majored in linguistics and when i graduated i came out to l. a. wanting to have a career in entertainment and was waiting tables and trying to be an actress at the same time booked a couple of shows and was working eventually actually as an actress but it just wasn't you know i had my health insurance. I if you go on i._m._d._b. I booked plenty of things but it just wasn't fulfilling and i wanted to own something creatively blamed myself and that became the fantasy football blog. You are awesome heard about you from other people but you are. You're like legitimately awesome. This is so cool i'm loving. You're a go getter on so many different levels absolutely awesome. I'm fired up even even more than i already was. This is fantastic. What did you graduate from brown by the way and i graduated in a we'll talk about it off line but you graduated ahead of got it got it. We're keeping your age a secret. I guess getting mid thirties okay. I'm well. I i just turned forty so yes. I am ahead of you so we did probably did not overlap so that everything about that is awesome. I want to dive into into your all upside team because i think it's a great article two right before we dive into that though speaking of yahoo you leaders. Did you know that they have officially released their week. One daily fantasy football contests that's right. They have a one million dollar contest for week one. You're probably we not eligible for this list salary but no management fee a hundred k. two first place meaning more money goes back to you the players if you love liz you will love yahoo dot com slash daily fantasy. If you're just getting started with daily fantasy football joined the free to enter yahoo cup up and play all season long one hundred fifty k. in weekly and seasonal prizes and if you get a perfect lineup you win a million dollars by the way the perfect commercial perfect read yahoo dot com slash daily tennessee to tell you while we're about to have liz talk about her all upside website team because that tell you winning d._f._s. With upside people that pay off so let's get into it liz your quarterback jameis winston and i think that one most people can kind of understand right you know bruce arians no risk it no biscuit like that that one makes accents to me. I think you're running. Backs are interesting leonard for net as well as dion lewis. I will definitely was not expecting dion lewis as is an offside with all the derrick henry talk so let's dive in your running backs for net and lewis and and i know i read your story but sell the listeners and they should read you just story by the way as well just check out liz. I told you on twitter twitter handle. She posted up there. You can find it but i want to get a little bit from you liz as to why for orna lewis as your high upside dudes so part of the conceit of this article right is that the upside is relative to a player's a._d._p. Inability ability to return on investment right so when you're looking at leonard fournette and you're looking at and i get it. I get the burnt complaints. I owned him last year to write like you've got character concern concern. You've got your ability concerns. He's attached to a bluff offense in theory. Although i i am optimistic about flip coming in and maybe energizing a lot of what happened what could happen happen this year but for nets range of possible outcomes is an rb one. It has been every year since his rookie year. Which is why he's continually disappointed in. Why everyone everyone is so upset so when i look at his situation what competition does yeah we really are. We worried about a livelihood. I don't think so right like there's no t._j. Yeldan elden. There's no carlos hyde. Those guys were allowed to walk in free agency. Now they've added alfred blue. L. for blue is averaged under four point -o yards for carrying four of his last five seasons and then they used a fifth round pick on this while armstead guy who's already had a couple of dings to in terms of his durability so we know he's going to be a workhorse of course good luck finding one of those in the n._f._l. Something someone who's not working in a platoon you've got him. There and i also think when you look at this defense that jag that the jaguars have he last year they disappointed yeah. We knew they were gonna request. Regress probably not as much as they did twenty eighteen but i think they're gonna bounce back. They've made some improvement and and so this figures to be pretty conservative offense that wants to establish the run shout out to evans silva right whether or not you want whether or not that's exciting in the modern day the n._f._l. This team seems very much built around making leonard fournette work and i think when you look at those range of possible outcomes and we know he is one of the most powerful one healthy running backs available in the league when at his current a._d._p. Shoot don't tell me this guy can't produce rb two numbers. I'm in mm-hmm yeah i would say. Is this his third year fourth year at any rate. I'm trying to look it up but at any rate i think he he realizes that if he ever want to get a second contract that one way or the other the time is now so i'm kind of with you on for net for all all the reasons just mentioned i called their game on thursday night against the eagles and it's only four nets third year but he he's eligible for a contract extension after this year if he has a big one so i like the logic there for sure especially on the backups and or lack thereof and i and i love his motivation as well. What about <hes> dion lewis. That's not a name. I've heard a lot that one kind of surprised me now so so the dion lewis logic is obviously i mean i'd be lying if i said it wasn't tied to derrick henry availability this season yes derrick henry came on on week fourteen just in time to win a bunch of people fantasy championships but his usage was suspect will dion lewis lewis was used much more frequently early on in the season and and i think people have forgotten about his ability to both run inside inbetween tackles and also catch passes right. We're only thinking of him as a pass catching back but i think in p._r. Friendly formats that also buoy him because when marcus mariota he may not even end up the starter right reading some reports what's on wrote a world that seemed murky about whether he tannahill are like duffer sure start sure it's probably marcus mariota but could there be a changing of the guard. Would anyone be surprised by that. No part of that is because marcus mariota can stay healthy. His mechanics are met also ryan. Tannehill likes to check down that is good for dion lewis and when you look at the online online retailer luan urine special is right <hes> with taylor the one out for the first month. I'm guessing that arthur smith is going to tell his fragile q._b. To check down a whole bunch is get that ball out that also is a place where dion lewis can excel so again part of this is due to his eighty p._m. He's going in the thirteenth round. What else are you doing in the thirteenth route especially noting a._j. Brown we. We're not sure he's a rookie. We're also not sure about his availability. Delaney walker is still is one hundred percent percent right now. You've got adam humphreys which admittedly competes in terms of yardage with <hes> expected yardage with dion lewis but i think at the running think back position in the thirteenth round you wanna throw a dart lewis could definitely produce rb three minimal numbers thought it was was funny by the way liz it's because he's suspended for the first four games. The titans played he didn't start the game but then he played like the whole first half taylor lewan in the preseason opener against the eagles which i thought was a little bit weird because all these teams are has indicated there guys hurt but like like you'll have your best off into lyman play because he's suspended for the first four weeks like what if you tears and achilles earn s._e._a._l. This thought i get it but i thought that was is interesting but absolutely their offense of lying is in is it nearly as good with him out and then by the way what if they suffer an injury at tackle one one of the first four games then that's when things really get bad when you get multiple injuries or in this case it suspension at the same position most teams. The next dude in is usually pretty good. That's kind of who i was usually like not the guy you want starting but he's not gonna lose the game for the guy after that. That guy can lose the game for you and that guy can be a major major problem so i like. I like your logic there. Let's get to your receivers this dante moncrieff who i can absolutely understand and marquez valdez gambling which is interesting. Is there enough there for marquez. Vow skittling to eat opposite devante items liz that is an excellent point and that is the biggest question because it's very it could be very much that the packers three main players are aaron rodgers aaron jones if he stays healthy and davante adams so what's left i. I'm not sure but i do know that n._b._s. Is probably the most athletic of these receivers. He's going to have some big some big game. If you're playing basketball go ahead and roll out what boggles my mind and why i wanted to include them in this article all is the g._m._o. Is being drafted ahead of him that to me is such simplistic plug and play rational jimoh. Who is the only reason he's going to be. The the big slack is because he's not explosive. He can't make separation and up on the outside to take the number two spot m._v._s. find you a man who can do both right right like he can definitely work outside and in he did that last year. He and rogers have been working on their timing. When aaron rodgers starts talking up a player and we're looking in a post taylor done article life lifespan here i am paying attention and so i m b s has huge breakout potential and again. He's so damn cheap like why are you not reach your you. Don't even have to read from you will fall in your lap and the upside is there. He earned his quarterback troy. She's been prioritized by the coaching staff and also just for stats. If people like these he caught twenty three of twenty eight catchable targets be at the slot and also brought down fourteen of seventeen balls when working on the outside so his versatility is great drama. Allison has not been particularly durable or dependable so i think you could see an expanded role especially with randall cobb no longer part of that offense and those targets being fed at least partially to n._b._s. Find somebody that calls the packers wide receivers m._v._s._a. and g._m. That's my that's my advice for everybody out there about dante moncrieff with the steelers. I mean i have been on this. Take since april so it's catching got part of the reason i included it was because i am doing a little bit of that fantasy football writer. This was my flag. I sort of thing so i just look at people are like liking james washington now right because of his first preseason action where he hooked up with rudolf his former quarterback and i think he had a nice is forty four plus yard bomb from josh dobbs and like the first opening moments of the of last week's preseason action but i just feel like moncrieff on krief is a red zone weapon and this team is going to need to score some damn touchdowns <unk> big. Ben is going to need <unk>. Okay we could talk about vance mcdonald. Donald every damn year advanced mcdonald's supposed year. I liked dante mockery. He is a big body. He caught seven touchdowns with andrew luck. Two years ago in luck was healthy. I like the he has a nice quarterback. Big bend like the big ben's been talking him up and he's probably not going to have a ton of targets every week right. This isn't the guy that your high high volume guy. This is your high value target guy because a lot of those are going to be in the end zone tight end time liz and this this guy <hes> there's a lot of height mark andrews tight end for the baltimore ravens a lot of hype for a guy by the way that was a fourth round pick the same aim years they had a first round pick tight in but man i read the baltimore writers and they're saying he was by far the best player in camp so far which was interesting. I remember him in the u._s. Army bill. I called that game for n._b._c. and he was excellent. People are all into mark andrews has it caught brought up to his a._d._p. Yet lewis and starting to i don't like it. It is starting to the buzz will because of what you said right. It's not just that beat writers. There's are are saying that he's the most explosive playmaker encamp they've been saying that throughout spring and summer practices that's the drumbeat that people talk about it is becoming deafening happening. The buzz is mounting. This is also a converted wide receiver right <hes> a high percentile spark athlete and he was used. I used in college to bail out his q._b. Numerous times so i like what he's doing last year. He flashed radiate a let's see two grabs over sixty yards last year which is incredible for a rookie and i look at this receiving corps and there's a lot of potential miles boykin who i like to call kenny golladay two point oh <hes> he has potential marquees brown could do something if he get on the field otherwise though if i'm looking at the players who could bail out a explosive admittedly but quarterback who struggles with accuracy. I think a big bodied athletic tight end is exactly kalihi what lamar jackson needs and that's why you're seeing all these reports about the growing chemistry so i have him projected for fifty three grabs six hundred seventy eight yards and five touchdowns when you look at those double digit rounds where he is still available especially at a position. It's volatile as china. I'm taking it. Her name is liz loza. You need need to check out her stories over at yahoo including the all upside fantasy football team if you want to read more she. She has a lot of stuff there on james winston. I think most people intuitively understand that one. You can check her out on twitter and instagram damn at liz loza underscore fantasy football f f f f atlas lows underscore f f where else are people reading you seeing you the t._v. Show make sure liz podcast. Whatever make sure everybody knows everything. You've got going for the season ellen ariza time so yes. I do a podcast twice. A week called the yahoo fantasy football podcast. You can subscribe to that. We have a great time. We have tons of guests on ross. Please come on. We'd love to have you on as well. <hes> i will be joining the cast of fantasy football live for the fifth year. Although the show is now i think in its fourteenth year and that begins ninety minutes before kick-off up every sunday beginning with week one and i'm also doing a new show this year. That's going to premiere the first monday night. What is that september number nine september tenth. It's all just third. I don't even what what is the first sunday. After september nineteen the first monday like ten minute show cover hover three with kimberly martin anguish el gringo will premiere. We're going to have lots of cool gas in fact. I'm rolling from this into a conference. Call a video chat with a guest that will be the incredible so check out cover three when it premieres on september ninth as well <hes> and yeah follow me on the socials in there's articles nicole stares podcasters t._v. shows. You can't miss me. She is a multimedia fantasy football star and her backstory is amazing amazing. You just heard it. I love it. I didn't know before even more of a fan now than i was before a lot of different reasons even though you weren't able to the go-to the number one school in the country still went to a good school. There's nothing to be ashamed of about that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. If you listen to me on this podcast a lot and you listen to liz twenty minutes you already know she's way smarter than me. That's very very obvious liz. I'd be happy to come on your show. If you need a little line insight to help you differentiate between a few guys certainly let me know thanks so much. Keep killing it. I appreciate you coming on ain't into the night. That was awesome really really enjoyed that by the way there's even more fantasy content. You can get from my dude over at c._b._s. Sports sports h._q. The network streams twenty four seven. They got fantasy. Experts there to help you all to watch stuff like watch some fantasy e-content. They're all over it so whether you play d._f._s. Or season-long they'll give you the info you need to make the right choices for your lineups every every day. Though also bring you the latest news highlights previews and recaps from around the sports world no politics no no fake debates. Just sports for real sports fans the best news of all free. I don't mean free for a week or month. I mean like totally freedom the log in just open the c._b._s. sports app and watch anytime from anywhere on your phone or at home on your apple t._v. Roku or fire tv couldn't be easier download the c._b._s. Sports app and watch c._b._s. sports h._q. Today that'll do it for this. Show today a day tomorrow my ole line tears by the way we also have the even money podcast which we will be launching late tonight monday monday night. Edition don't do that very often. We'll be launching and posting even money podcast. You can check out today. We also jimmy train from sports ford illustrated talking about the media landscape for this year on the ross tucker football podcast but other than that for right now. I am stuffed. We're done tears tomorrow. Please thanks for listening to the fantasy. Feast podcast make sure to subscribe to the ross. I stuck football podcast even money business of sports and the college draft all available at apple podcasts ross tucker dot com or wherever podcasts can be found. It's it's october. Twenty seventh two thousand seven mark richt georgia football's head coach strolls across the turf of municipal stadium in jacksonville florida in just thirty thirty minutes his bulldogs will kick off against the florida gators and for once richt is brimming with confidence. Both teams are now five and two so neither is. I'm really in national championship contention but for richt. This is still the most important game he's ever coached. It's chillier than usual today. In jacksonville the the city. That's hosted pretty much every florida georgia game since the nineteen thirties jacksonville is supposed to be a neutral game site but it doesn't feel that way to richt it's in florida for crying out loud and a game called. The gator bowl is played here. How could it be neutral. Rick thinks as he looks up <unk> at a sea of orange and blue gator fans. The gators brought the bulldogs to heal in five of their last six matchups. It's given florida a huge mental edge and made the buttoned-up georgia coach desperate enough to do something crazy at least for him something with swagger. Maybe a little arrogance something something to get some fire in his squad's belly even if it pisses off some football purists something in other words very unmarked rick lake in seven seasons at georgia richt has built a reputation as a man of faith. Who's quiet decency stands out in the cutthroat world of college football for him. It's simple you win with integrity you lose with integrity. It's the georgia way. That's what makes this right now. Now the most off the wall moment of mark ricks entire career as kickoff approaches rick makes his way back to the cramp locker room stands before or his players and reminds them of his plan to snap their losing streak. He tells them you don't get a celebration penalty. After our first score you'll all be doing early morning. Runs runs welcome to jacksonville and the seventy fifth encounter at this site between these two better rivals however you need to to compete if you're going to have a real rivalry and georgia has lost as we said fifteen the last seventeen almost nine minutes into a scoreless game with georgia facing third and goal at the florida one yard line nine star running back no sean marino takes a hand off and jumps over the pile of lyman in front of him marino up attack jour-jour touch. There and here comes the entire team. Watch this for excessive celebration. We may have fifteen. Thank jamir on this one. I can't believe this was playing. This was absolutely absolutely plan. Ric decided that he has got to try to find his t._v. He's tired of having the psychological advantage. He's is willing to give up the penalty. Nearly every georgia player on the sideline russia's the field penalty flags fly in every direction the c._b._s. This cameras swing to the other side line anticipating reaction from the gators. Tim tebow florida's phenomenally talented sophomore. Quarterback looks confused. Sodas tvos coach urban meyer meyer is frantically waving his florida players off the field to avoid pointless penalties. Meanwhile rick takes it all in happily and knows his plan worked the gators her rattled as the second half unfolds. Georgia's still doesn't give away its leap stafford marino touch that the bulldogs match every tibo touchdown with one of their own and win the game forty two to thirty for the first time in years. The florida georgia game lives up to the hype a rivalry. That's been uneven in the last decade. It is incredible once again. Georgia's full team touchdown celebration quickly gets a nickname in the media. The gator stomp richt is thrilled but he's created an unexpected new problem while he made the rivalry competitive again he also just encouraged urban meyer tim tebow abo- and the entire florida team to spend the next three hundred sixty four days plotting their revenge that was just a preview of sports wars to hear the rest of the story subscribed to sports wars on apple podcasts or wherever you're listening right now.

liz football twitter brown yahoo georgia florida dion lewis liz loza eagles kyle glazer evans silva mark richt ross tucker jacksonville aaron rodgers packers beck princeton
Episode 44: Early Round Hits and Misses

Establish The Run

37:34 min | 1 year ago

Episode 44: Early Round Hits and Misses

"It has no and welcome to the episode forty four of the official established run DOT com. podcast my name is Adam levittown. I'm one of the CO founders here at Etr. In as I will be each. And every week I'm joined by the legend himself. Luigi are CO founder. Evan Silva Evan scored on Buddy. What's going on Adam We had an awesome first week of XFL. Now we have some information. We'll have a ton of We have a show on Thursday. We have a couple of columns going up top plays Really excited for week two of the XFL BUT WE'RE GONNA be talking to some NFL. Some doing some hindsight analysis year. A going back and looking at what did we get right in. What did we get wrong during the two thousand nineteen season-long fantasy year? Yeah I mean it's still only mid February right and I actually think there's a lot of value in taking a look back at between nineteen season from fantasy perspective. You know what happened why it happened what we got right what we got wrong so over the next two episodes that is what we are going to do by the way. Please hit the subscribe button on this podcast. You know it's free if you're on I two inches subscribe. It's free will we putting out free pods all season right up until we won also producer. Luke is doing amazing work on Youtube for more free content go to the established Iran on channel on. Ut Eboni up there you can see our disgusting faces there. And if you're hardcore as Evan mentioned if you really do love. DFS FOOTBALL GO TO TO ESTABLISH RUN DOT COM check out our xl content. We are putting it in insane amount of time and work into XFL. But I really do love. Grinding Niche. Sports it's just a ton of fun I think into figure out something that's that's pretty new But anyways what I wanted to do today is look back at what we got right. What we got wrong in the early part of season-long drafts? Let's say guys who typically went in the first six rounds or so. Let's talk about what we got right in what we got wrong. What we and Evans specifically got right right at the top? Evan had Christian McCaffrey free. One point zero one off season all throughout the draft process and I think there was a lot of coachspeak before the season right NORV. Turner said he was quote unquote concerned. About the number of touches that Christian McCaffrey had in two thousand eighteen season. I Ron Rivera said. The team wanted to limit Christian. McCaffrey snaps although not his touches ages. There was a report from Albert breer. I think it was like I. We Will August second week in August said that Carolina was trying to find the backup. Who would take some short yardage away from Christian? McCaffrey and I think all of those factors coachspeak factors caused McCaffrey's ADP to slip behind saquon Barkley to slip behind Avoca merit in some cases. You no slipped behind. Ezekiel Elliott despite the contract concern. So having Christian McCaffrey add one point. Zero one many huge huge huge difference. I think one thing thing that we can take away is that sometimes this coach guy look through it because when Reggie bonifant and Jordan scarlet are the backups. How realistic is it? That they're really take Christian. McCaffrey off the field. So when you look back at Christian McCaffrey season and having him at one point one. I know it seems easy now but at the time it was at least moderately controversial. Yeah mean and Saquon Barkley was the majority number one overall pick in fantasy drafts and he was a big disappointment He suffered a high ankle. Sprain your missed a little at a time try to come back and play through. It just wasn't effective. Alvin Kamara who scored thirty two touchdowns in his first thirty one. NFL Games. You know touchdown. John Regret regression. Hit him like a mattress and he went a really really long stretch without getting into the end zone so he I mean he. He was a positive contributor but he was certainly certainly not a League winner. And then there was a cluster of four as in Ezekiel Elliott was a net. And you know. Obviously we didn't have him at one point one because Well I I liked McCaffrey better but also because he was holding out and you know there were times during training camp where it looked like he might his his holdout might extend into the season. But that's just said you you nailed it. You know that that the fact that if you just look at the backups and the the the players behind like the like situations and the and what contributed to those situations like there was just no competition. No valid competition for Christian. Sean McCaffrey in Carolina They revamped their offensive line during the off season and I liked that about him in and he just I mean he's just such a high. I four high upside guy all throughout the throughout the season. I think you like played him every single week. Or something you know with Alvin Kamara had to worry about latavius Murray's With Zeke Elliott. We had to hold out. We had Tony Pollard. Pick Tony Power really. Good in preseason drool out of buzz and and then And and so Christian McCaffrey and then Barkley the situation like we thought that there would be potential quarterback change in there was even sooner than anyone anticipated the offensive line. was you know Kinda Average in New York this season was better than usual. But it was it was average and Saquon Barkley of course suffered the injury at the end of the day. It came down to me to see him see versus Barclay and we went with CMC and and that was the right picky outscored every other fantasy running back by seven. Fantasy points per game So he was he was The the the most common player on championship teams. Yeah and I think something to take away from that is we can narrow down to guys playing roughly a hundred percent of their snaps right. It and I thought that Sake Guan had chance to that. Zeke maybe had a chance to despite Tony Powernet Christian McCaffrey certainly had a chance to and then once you get there it's like man who is the most game flow independent. WHO's most Austin Bald in the past game and you could look back easily and say that's so obviously Christian McCaffrey Let's go to one that we got wrong in the top five and and that was David Johnson and I really really thought that cliff Kingsbury you know I was kinda lower than market. I think on cliff in Arizona as a whole but I think he'd be more creative with David Johnson. Unfortunately David Johnson was in the slot. Just sixty seven times all year. I mean fifteen percent only of David Johnson snaps while you're watching the slot only seventeen times all season season David Johnson lineup wide. He just wasn't creative at all with David Johnson. I did not see that coming Dave Johnson at one point Oh five in hindsight looks egregious regis because he ended up essentially getting benched when they got Kenyan Drake What did you learn? Or what did you see from David Johnson. This past year people are gonNA throw. Those is highlight videos up of David Johnson looking like he's running a refrigerator on his back and say. Hey David Johnson is wash. I mean he he was hurt you you know I mean he. He was not healthy for almost the entire season but I do agree with the notion that he just did not look the same you know. He essentially took the previous season off off and we had not seen him go through a full season in multiple years and he comes back this year and he was just now he. He just wasn't the same. He looked stiff. You Know He looked upright and when Kenyan drake got in the Backfield I mean this this was one of the best running games in the NFL. It's a little bit scary that David Johnson can produce a situation like this. They spread you out. They run blocked really well. They were number two in the NFL in a football outsiders rushing offense. Devi away behind only the Ravens and Kenyan drake just comes right in the trade literally days after the trade and he is super super productive. When Chase Edmunds? EDMUNDS got opportunities He he showed a lot too. David Jackson probably showed the least out of those three his contract. Right now it. I mean the the cardinals chance are kind of tied. I think that they're going to bring back you know so I don't know we'll get to the point where we're making predictions but yeah. This was definitely a miss and and I guess the takeaway is that you know a guy that had not shown sustained durability in quite some time you continued to stay with him and that was that was really the reason that that he failed. Yeah and it sucks about the contract as if they did move on from him and he went to somewhere like tamper something like that. I think that would be exciting. Exciting for David. Johnson's value. Obviously it's really shaky right now for him in Arizona Let's go to another wrong one in this one man Odell Beckham We had a one point. Oh eight God you know it seems so easy to me If Odell can do what he did with the corpse of Eli Manning. Well let's give him Baker Mayfield and this was a Baker Mayfield was incredibly aggressive incredibly accurate down the field. It's just a rocket ship situation for Odell Beckham. That went against everything that I've known in learned over the last decade plus veteran wide receivers changing teams were more often than not is just a total disaster. I guess I'm somewhat mad at myself considering considering Odell the one I'm finding to say. Hey He's GonNa break the trend he's going to be a stud Do you think that's what happened to Odell this year. That was just. He's a veteran. Changing teams in the scheme wasn't right for him or did you see something more with. Oh Dow this past year when something goes this wrong. It's not there's not just one thing you can point the two. I don't think so you know. I think that there are several things that you can point to first of all it was like right before week. One that word came out that Odell Beckham had like a groin injury and then that later came to be revealed as a a a an injury that required sports hernia surgery which she underwent immediately after the season he played through that all year. Definitely the changing teams in the off season. You know that was always kind of like the the one red flag on them. But you know you really wanted to believe I mean Baker Mayfield like it wasn't crazy at all to be high Baker Mayfield in in two thousand nineteen I mean he set the NFL record. For Rookie. Rookie quarterback touchdown passes in his first season. You know Arrow seemed to be pointing up on the BROWNS and You know you you expect by quarterbacks that these highly drastic quarterbacks tend to do better in their second seasons they make you know a a leap up look at Carson. Jason went on he was like an an MVP candidate in a second season even like on down to Mitchell trubisky. In his second season he was much better than it was as a rookie. Josh Allen I thought took took a nice step from your wants to Baker Mayfield. Took a step back and that was something that would have been almost impossible to anticipate but you know at the end of the day like a multitude of factors contributed to Odell Beckham being one of the biggest bus in all fantasy and he was one of the guys that like. You wanted to a keep betting on him. You know but the explosiveness wasn't there. You're the coaching staff did not do a good job in Cleveland. They were immediately fired after the season. Even even the the front office was was a rearranged of moved on from the GM John Dorsey so just a a multitude of factors. I think that he is going to be a really interesting guy to talk about. Twenty twenty I was thinking about where we're going to have them already. I was thinking maybe I think he just wears. ADP might be. I think he might be around that tooth return this year. Sure and he. He's probably a guy that's GonNa make a big difference in tilt a lot of fantasy legion twenty twenty based on how much draft capital how much draft capital took them. Yeah and we're going to buy some time the next month or so about the coaching changes. And we'll talk about what happens with the previous regime and what we think's GonNa happen with the next regime For them to not let todd. MFN Mahnken call plays at any point during the year when things were going sideways was why is crazy to me and I'm not I'm not saying Oh dulcie would have been different if monkey was calling plays but I would have at least like to find out you know what I mean so We'll see we'll talk more about coaches on a future pot I saw a one statistic on the browns. They scored more touchdowns. More I drive touchdown touchdowns in any team in the elitist I drive. And that's Todd Mahnken dialing up a script and then after that Freddie Kitchens had to call place and Dan you know just the the the bottom fell out on the browns yet Okay let's get to another wrong here and You know a lot of this can be blamed on injury right A Ben Roethlisberger was hurt in we two in. Of course I'm talking about Juju Smith Schuster. Juju Smith Schuster Two point one Sixteenth overall. We had him. I mean look Juju Smith Schuster so young. I think as soon as been rothlisberger gets hurt the entire offense just tanks right. QB play was absolutely abysmal tanked Vance McDonald and a tank. Dante moncrieff tanked himself. Probably well before. Ben Rothlisberger tank but when Mason Rudolph in Devon Hodges etc.. It's really hard to to have a big year. That said I think Jus Stock is going to sink like a stone ahead of twenty twenty even though he's very very young. So how much of what went wrong. Judy blame on Ben's injury in jujubes injuries in all the injuries that Pittsburgh's offense has in. How much do you think maybe we were just a little bit? You high on Juju in general now. I think that I mean Ben going out for the season in week to just totally I mean he wasn't. He wasn't just their quarterback like he ran the offense he hand picked after they got rid of todd. Haley he handpicked his quarterbacks coach Randy Fichtner you know and then all of a sudden randy fichtner had to like do do work with Ben Rothlisberger on the shelf and you know they tried to. You know there was a time where they ran like a bunch of trick plays like with tale and unlike the wildcat Jalen Samuels on having a big role and then you know they. They rotated out Mason. Rudolph when he stunk up the joint for for duck hodges and then codgers got hurt and they went back to Mason Rudolph you know it was just. It was an absolute disaster of a season for the steelers offense and and that was reflected in the trickle down effect of Ben Ross for going out and dealing with a lot of injuries to James Connor was was banged up a lot Vance McDonald. Donald was banged up but You know this offense just wasn't the same without without a quarterback catalyst and everybody felt the effects. I think that Juju Smith Schuster is an obvious obvious obvious by in dynasty in an obvious bounce back guy for twenty twenty you do have to worry about is. Is Ben going to stay healthy though. Yes so you know that'll that'll be. How we we have to weigh the positives and the negatives Juju Smith Schuster heading heading into next season? Yeah I mean there were times during the season the steelers weren't even running like a pro style. Offense they were trying to run like some might crazy like triple option like just total nonsense is out there and obviously have to disaster for June Let's get so one that we got right now is being higher than market on Amari Cooper. You had him at twenty first first overall on your top one fifty. ADP settled in around thirty two. Thirty three Amari Cooper played all sixteen games. But I thought down the stretch she really struggled with something was going on like nagging lower body in what sticks out to me. Is that week. Sixteen Eagles game were like everything was on the line. And they've rotating Amari Cooper out in favor of cave on Austin but overall you know you. Despite that kind of end of season mass. I thought it was marred. Cooper's best season you know seventy nine catches almost twelve hundred yards eight touchdowns and I think part of that or maybe. I don't know about chicken egg but Dak Prescott taking a leap forward also certainly made a big difference for Amari Cooper. But what's your take on Amari Cooper this past Twenty thousand season outlook going forward on. Amari yeah I was glad that we were. We were very high. On Amari Cooper. We stayed high on Amari Cooper even despite fight you remember during training camp where it came out that he was dealing with a foot injury in some places who was characterized as a torn plantar FASCIA. But Louis Don Dr Child here at pro football doc on doc on twitter. He said that it's just. It's something that he was at Amari. Cooper would be able to manage throughout the season. Maybe cost him some in practice time but unlikely to affect his production on the field. And it didn't and you know one thing that I I really liked to bank on for wide. Receivers is quarterback wide receiver established connections. You know on field chemistry. That's something that you know. I I should have factored in more to into Todo BECA because Baker may although it seems like he was GonNa work on paper. You know that that chemistry was not there it was there. which are Angie had a great year But in Dallas like That instant report that Dak Prescott Amari Cooper showed in the second half of the two thousand eighteen season carried over right into you twenty nineteen and he was a difference maker for the majority of the year. You Know I. He's his. The game is so perfect for doc because back is not an anticipation passer. Dak is a see it throw it passer like you can even look like you splits versus as main coverage and versus zone. He struggles against zone. He needs to see. See the route come open. And who's maybe the best route runner in the league. Amari Cooper you know they are just a match made in heaven. I hope for the cowboys sick. That them deciding to pays each doesn't cost them Amari Cooper because he's the perfect receiver for Dak Prescott. Yep and we'll talk doc. More about Amari Cooper as we get into free agency here but I agree I think Dallas has to make a huge priority lockup Amari cooper art. Let's get to one that we got wrong and this one You know is at least partially or mostly on me. I was high on devante Freeman. devante Freeman We had twenty Third Evans. Top One fifty I thought. Would vaunted the freemen having so much time off to get healthy with having Coleman gone with the offensive line being Renovated I thought that it was setting setting up perfectly for devante Freeman and this Atlanta offense score a lot of points is just inland was was unable to run the football they lost. Offense climates injury. But I think even if he was healthy he lost some work to judge Ito and it seemed like like the injuries that devante picked up or fears kind of caught up with him. He's not as explosive So a lot of regrets on devante Freeman out. What did you think happened to Devante this year yet? I mean you're we're also betting on an offense offense that you know we consider to be trustworthy in it was trustworthy. Assist the Falcons. They lost their first round. Pick Pick Chris Lindstrom a starting guard early in the season two to a an injury that cost him almost the entire year. And it's kind of a similar situation to what happened with David. Johnson like devante Freeman. Play two games in two thousand eighteen. He comes back he just stepped slower. You know he was not nearly as explosive in two thousand nineteen mm-hmm and you're right. He lost more work than anticipated to guys. Like you to Smith Later in the year. Brian Hill. They even try to involve Quadri Alison at times. And I mean he just he just wasn't the same guy. I think that the Falcons might look to the draft to replace devante Freeman outright. This offseason. Yeah he's only twenty seven years old you know it's it's it's doesn't sound old especially considering I'm thirty seven now but but but it's crazy man Twenty seven avenue looks like Devante Freeman is running low on gas at best but I also think that this falcons run game was kind of broken. You know like I remember that game with Brian Hill was Kinda like the the mega truck on decay and like Bryan. He'll never had a chance to get going either. So is what it is Art One that we got right was being very very low on Antonio Brown Internal Brown's ADP. I think by the end settled in around twenty two he was going before that For much of the Much of the earlier all Season Avenue had him at twenty nine and this was before actually any of your mental illness stuff came up right. This was all like on field football stuff where the reasons that you were low on on in Tony Brown the mental something start coming out until later in training camp after The top fifty and everything was already out Looking back to the on field stuff for Antonio Brown I know it's hard to separated but Why what went into you being low on Antonio Brad Sofa top of my head. I think you know Derek Carr is never been aggressive downfield passer. Antonio Brown is one of the best vertical receivers of all time and Ben Rothlisberger is one of the best vertical passers in the NFL. And that's just not a part of Derek cards game. He's been accurate when when he has tested downfield but he does it at one of the lowest rates in the NFL. So all of a sudden they're going to try to turn any Tonio Brown until like an underneath receiver. Are you know I. I didn't really. I didn't really see that working out. Well Antonio Brown. He did have enough of a history of like throwing fits. It's that you know. And I didn't think the raiders were going to be very good and they weren't. I know they went by like seven and nine eight need or whatever but I didn't think they were going to be very good in once they started losing. Then I and I thought that Antonio Brown could kind of jumped ship just there were a lot of reasons to expect this marriage to not work and then as we progress through training camp and we had him as the as our number one fade on the Shy Away Forty. The number one guy do not draft it just. It seemed like he didn't WanNA play football anymore. I mean he he was throwing this fit about a helmet. You know the feet thing I mean. It just seemed like he I think he went through one full practice. In all of Raiders. Training camp just seemed like he did not want to play football anymore for and I think at the end of the day although he continually claims on twitter and stuff that you wanted to play football I mean he wasn't acting like someone they wanted to play football. Oh he mentioned retirement multiple. You retire over the helmet you know. I don't want to draft a guy who is openly talking about retirement in the second round around you know yeah I know and I made a lot of jokes in the preseason valve mental on his obviously now actually I actually think he does have mental problems. So I'm not going to joke about it anymore but But yeah you know guys like freaking out over the size of their helmets in all these weird things it was definitely a lot of red flags and also the thing we talked about with owed Alameda very very very better receiver who had only been successful in kind of one scheme one quarterback all of a sudden changing teams at this point his career. I think was a huge red flag flag. Also speaking of Red Flags I think anybody with half a brain was off of todd. Gurley right given L. A.'s. Action the off season all the talk around Tiger Lilies Knee Tagro goes. ADP was still in the fifteen sixteen seventeen range you adamant. Thirty first overall Wasn't surprising to me. I think people are paying close attention. That tag early was kind of an easy fade at that price tag was surprised me though was that Sean McVeigh and I don't know I kind of around the word fake sharp jokingly but I I didn't really understand a lot of what Shaw McVeigh. Did this season especially his usage of Todd Gurley wearing the beginning. He was a coddling him so hard early in the year in late in the year when the Games right meaningless waiting list was garbage time then he decides todd Gurley should play every single. Snap Really really weird. But I don't know it seemed like they went. They kind of went from A.. A big really worried about tiger lease the two not being worried about it at all either way. His contract is just a total disaster right now and it will be hard to be excited about tiger early going forward forward. I think you see it any differently on. What's going on with Todd Gurley? Now I mean he. He did salvage some funny late in the year like they would be getting blown out. The ranch will be getting blown out as apoe. Jared Goff's early no Sean mcvay would just leave the guys in down sound like forty two seventeen. Get it back to like you know forty thirty. You know in like in Todd gurley would score a couple touchdowns and you'd be good at fantasy scored fourteen touchdowns. Yeah no he. And he was number twelve He was a number twelve in non-ppp in a number fourteen in P.. Pr Among running backs which is right around where we had him but he was still not someone who was he was not consistent. He was not reliable. He was really really frustrating. Whenever he didn't score he set a career lows in the second lowest yards for a yards per rushing attempts career? The lowest of receiving yards per reception in his career. And just really did not look the same. And they're all in one of the reasons that I didn't like him before the season was the the reshaping of their offensive line which turned out to be really. I mean maybe even worse than than I anticipate Their entire interior offensive line was decimated and then they started losing guys and rob having seen their their starting right tackle got her in. Andrew Whitworth had the worst season of his his career. So all that you know just this running game. which was you know like like football people? Say that the the real impetus the rams offense was their running game When they were functioning at at a really really high level this running game just the Arrow is really really pointing down on the running game as a unit from the offensive offensive line to todd? Gurley health yeah Total mess there and as I said with his contract situation they're gonNA float out rumors they want to trade him. It's going to have to be like a brock osweiler situation. If they want to trade him in other words will take tiger off your hand but you also have to give us some more sweeteners in. The Rams. Don't have a lot of sweeteners. They've kind kind of blue blown their load on on what they have in stable. So Rams are in big trouble thing from a team building perspective At the very least art. Let's get to the next which I think one of the most interesting ones that the whole year. OJ Howard We were certainly wrong on on. OJ Howard. I thought that it could go bad for for OJ Howard. I didn't think there was any possible way that it could go as bad as it went for. OJ Howard and it's easy for people to look back and say. Hey I told you bruce. Arians doesn't use tight ends right and kind of the point all along was hey Brazilians has never had a tight end like OJ Howard. They also don't really have at least start the year. We didn't think they had much behind Mike Evans in Crisci win at the wide receiver position. They have much in the run game in looked like it set up perfectly for OJ. Howard now we know Howard flat didn't play well But you think I think that there's any credence to this notion that OJ. How was never gonNA play well because Bruce Arians quote unquote doesn't mean it is? How do you draw the correlation between OJ Howard committing a bunch of penalties dropping a bunch of passes you like committing turnovers You know being one of the worst blocking tight tight ends in the league like pro football focus. Adam is like the worst blocking tight and in the League for an extended period of time in two thousand nineteen. He was just flat out terrible. For whatever reason reason you know I. It's hard to say but it was from game one on and he got benched multiple times. I mean you know he and it got to the point where if if he would make a mistake then he get benched. You know. It's not one of these situations. Where like research was gonNA coddle him and say they'll get back out there buddy like he would pull them out and put another other guy and so OJ Howard just played. I don't think they will. Howard is a terrible player? You know I just think he had a really really bad season. He may need a change of scenery at this point And then you know. So that Bruce Arians tight end narrative can live on but I think at the end of the day the dude you just played like crap. And that's that's what a that's what caused him to bust. I mean he should give Tanner Hudson chance. The preseason goat Tanner Hudson then we would have known for sure if really hates tight ends. 'cause it's impossible for tanner. Hudson is not to produce. Dude is the best Okay one that I thought was a big difference maker that we were right on. You had Austin accurate forty seventh overall his ADP. EP was seventy two. And I know that also I wasn't overly productive down the stretch in the fantasy playoffs and stuff but if you had for the first I dunno six seven weeks before. Melvin Gordon reported I mean it was a total print fast particularly NPR with Austin. And if you read the tea leaves on Gordon's out some of the interviews that he gave about the Levian Bell Situation Relation. You could see Melvin Gordon holding out for a long time if he didn't WanNA budget and the chargers clearly weren't prepared to budge so awesome. Eckermann is just good at the game and fits so well. Today's NFL fit so l.. Philip rivers who I know has gone now but Philip rivers throws his running backs in such a high rate. Just set up so perfectly vaguely for awesome. This was an absolute home run. And I don't know what's GonNa Happen with. Melvin Gordon in free agency and obsolete and WHO's going to be playing quarterback for the chargers next year right now. The only quarterbacks quarterbacks on their roster are tyrod Taylor eastern stick. I believe but right now. The running backs on their roster are equity and Justin Jackson. I think both of them are pretty. Strongholds holds in dynasty looking back at the chargers situation and looking ahead what he see their off an actor. I mean he was incredible man. What a fun player to watch what which is a really good football player? And they're still like what is it a team can't team can't carry the load and team can't run between the tackles there. Still in my mentioned is telling me that. Melvin Gordon's better than necklaces. Still I mean they're they're just they're different players moment. Gordon didn't have a good season. You got a little bit. You know down the stretch but yeah I mean he was a guy that we had him on the on the shy away forty list and that s awesome in my Big Main event team. They did really well you know we got him in seasonal and Ranking them there was. We wound up you. You are really high on in training. Camp was a situation where like every day. I was like moving them up and moving them. Up and moving. Melvin Gordon Down and moving Justin Jackson a little bit but you know it was like it was a it was a constant thing. We're Austin Echo was moving up the rankings throughout August Yeah Yarmuk. I'm kind of excited to a Justin Jackson due to. I don't think he'd be that big of a downgrade on. Melvin Gordon. That sounds crazy but I think can use Johnson Jackson heckler together. PRETTY WELL IF SNEED B Okay another right was. Dj More and a lot of the hype in the preseason went to Curtis Samuel who will get to on the next episode but DJ more. I mean eighty seven catches eleven hundred and seventy five yards while playing almost suit with Kyle Allen. I mean that's pretty impressive. And he was just somebody who earned targets hundred thirty five targets in fifteen games that was the twelfth most in the League for DJ More Dj. Moore's young degeneres one of the best players in the league. It's kind of hard not to be excited about. Dj more going forward. You had him about two or three rounds above eighty P on the top one fifty What did you see? Dj More this year and can he go even higher. Yeah Dude is your sin absolute baller and he kind of came into the NFL raw. He really the only had one big college season You know two thousand eighteen was kind of a development year for him and he broke up big time in twenty nineteen eighteen and what one one positive indicator that I liked about him. Entering the season was that he led all rookie wide. Receivers Persson yards for route. Run in two thousand eighteen. You know he was a part time player but he was super super efficient when he was out there. And if you go back and look at the history of rookie not wide receivers that league among among rookie wide receivers rookie wide receivers that That lead their their their class in a yard route run. I mean it's like a laundry list of superstars who Jones you know. Aj Green you know etc etc and Dj More was that guy in two thousand eighteen and then we saw him take the leap by the way two thousand nineteen of course AJ Brown. So there's going to be another hit for that for that statistic but yeah Dj more. I think the Arrow is definitely definitely still moving upward in. And that's Kinda scary. He's going to be a top ten receiver in the NFL. When all said Oh yeah? We'll talk more about the quarterback situation for Carolina and we get to Curtis Samuel on the next episode last guy hit on today's Damian Williams. I don't know if they they were right. Or wrong on Damian Williams because we had him pretty high and then you drop to really low will shawn McCoy signing happens I just want to say one thing kind of learning about Damien Williams situation. You know I'm far from a zero running back trooper but one thing you can say. Is that what happened. Deem Williams just like never happens to a wide receiver right like there's no way a wide receiver get signed off the street one week before week one and just crippled the value of a wide receiver going in the first few rounds. Fancy draft like it. It just doesn't happen. The running back position so much. Fragile to the point where Damien Williams can look like a really strong second third round pick and then one week before the season they signed frigging with Shawn McCoy off the street and just tanks Damien Williams and then by the end of the year we see what would have happened in. The playoffs would have happened. Maybe they didn't sign the Shawn McCoy. We She Damien. Amy Leans would have been in value in the third round so I think there's lots unpacking. Turn to learning on Damian Williams. It was such a wild year for him from a going. So high till Shawn McCoy basically unusable for much of the year to being the star of the playoffs on a super bowl team It's just interesting. I think it says a lot about the running back position unlike relative value in both real life and fantasy. If you see where I'm going with this yeah absolutely and there was a big. You know that all that kind of happened like right around final cuts you have to make a bunch of adjustments quickly you know so many things are happening and I decided to take the stance and I was just I was going to really dump amount of rain like my rankings are always made based art like relatives ADP. Like I'm going to be lower on guys that don't want the readers and the subscribers to draft left and I'm going to be higher on guys that I want to be on all our teams you know and with Amy Williams. There was a point time where I wanted him on my team. I didn't want him on my team. Anymore silence on McCoy and some wasn't good or anything but he certainly took away a bunch of usage. And you're at that time there was a lot of like fighting about. Oh will andy. Reid always uses only one running back that turned out to be highly misleading They're I'M NOT GONNA go sign the Shawn McCoy just to put him on the bench. You know like they. They signed him to play him. It didn't really work out from for them from a team perspective but it did a lot of damage to Damien mean Williams fantasy value. And he got hurt. I'm GonNa do is good like we. We've seen that. The Dude is good It's just he has not been able to stay healthy for a full season and as a workload on like a high workload. He's going to again. Be a guy that is the subject of a lot of debate entering twenty twenty. Yeah Yeah and it's GonNa be a lot of debate. 'cause there's GonNa be a lot of people say I took daime millions in the third round last year on never doing that again. Look and I get that you can also see the upside that comes with a feature back. The Kansas City chiefs can catch passes really well. I mean just watch the playoffs so yes certainly will be a guy for debate art. We'll be back next episode with a look at some some guys got right and we got wrong. In the later portion of the drafts around seven or later in the meantime head over to a savage dot com check out what we have going on on there we have. XFL content up. We have Evans Free Agency. Check out our youtube and subscribe to this podcast so for for added four Jerry. Four I and good luck

NFL football David Johnson ADP Christian McCaffrey Amari Cooper OJ Howard Melvin Gordon devante Freeman Baker Mayfield Carolina Mike Evans Odell Beckham Antonio Brown Saquon Barkley Ben Roethlisberger BROWNS Ezekiel Elliott Arizona Todd Gurley
Standard is the Standard: Can the Steelers finally beat a team with a winning record?

Behind the Steel Curtain

1:01:18 hr | 1 year ago

Standard is the Standard: Can the Steelers finally beat a team with a winning record?

"Want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds check out the american ninja warrior podcasts it's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any ninja warrior fan pittsburgh steeler fans what's going on this is jeff hartmann editor behind the curtain dot com for another episode of the standard is a standard the bindings to occur and flagship podcast and with me as always right there there there's live on youtube is lance williams lance how's it going man a scoring okay he's going well this the hitman started this show because of the technology it's weird it's always like freeze like i never know when it starts we know q. as two minutes starts i i do have accused there's a little it'll countdown as little as live at the corner of my screen and we first started using this streaming network the software it would say that we're alive i would listen to it in playback and if we would've missed the first i don't know ten seconds of the show answer chance i was like okay i'm gonna wait a second wait till gets the two seconds and then i'm gonna start so that's what i do so there it is but i'm gonna call you out jeff before you start that desa different shirt that's games oh okay okay okay the paint anyone had asked me you know they'll say are you a steeler fan i typically correct them and say i'm a pittsburgh fan because i like like the pirates the penguins and the steelers is the only team that i follow and when the my boys the payments slap seven goals on the flyers last night he got a rep today eh if anybody knows about west virginia fans are crazier than pittsburgh fans yes west virginia fans or the fans you call in when you need reinforcements hey man let's call the fans from west virginia is getting dick in here call west virginia fans seventy nine to come to pittsburgh to handle some business it's getting handle yes i'm from west virginia's most people know that had been listening to the show for a lengthy period of time i guess so yeah there's definitely see that opportunity grand central station over there in california okay we have a lot to talk about today but i want to start off with with the simple title of this episode and lands i don't wanna jump the gun or mess up your he's going to ask the questions lands is going to host a little bit today today but i wanted to get this out of the way i and i thought about those typing the description of the show and i thought about the three teams have been let's let's go over together the cincinnati bengals eight don't he's lost in endless charters are correct me if i'm wrong three and five yeah they they're not hundred no and then you have the miami dolphins are seven do the math three wins wins in the rest losses so i'm just saying that i think it's justifiable to say what we asked the question question we ask him the title of the episode which is our this is finally going to beat a good team on sunday because we both agree lance right to the indianapolis colts are a good team yes because this day or sub five they're above five hundred dollars up five hundred zero five hundred i believe they're leading their division they they're they're a team that went to kansas city it put put a thumping on the chiefs with patrick mahomes they are a good football team and they beat houston another good football team so they qualify as a good football team isn't it crazy to say that if you just rewind the clock three months andrew lock retires in their thinking okay we're going to go with jacoby bruce said no one in their right mind would have thought that we would still be having this conversation going in the week nine and i'm not saying that jacoby reset was awful they did trade for him after all from new england but i don't think anyone thought he would be this type of quarterback to the point where i was really thinking about andrew luck anymore you know what now i call me a little bit crazy then okay that's because you know he's a puppy would bid paws right you don't have you heard that phrase you know when you look at puppies puppies puppies with bid pause he's a puppy would bid hit pause right he's gotten great coaching and great training he's a guy that bill parcells was very good he's a guy that's been been trained under bill belichick and tom brady and he was there also with jimmy garoppolo i mean this is a guy that's been coached very well when you look at him he's a big physical guy commute around pocket has a howitzer of an arm this guy's a solid guy like this is a guy that you and feel pretty good about if he's your backup so it has off injured as andrew luck was i mean it was a great move on the part of the indianapolis colts to bring a jacoby i mean he knows what winning is about he's been around it he's prepared he's been a quarterback room with tom brady for years so so that's a guy that i thought could play because i've seen him put some good tape out there i think when you combine his skillset which i i wouldn't say is the best of this certainly not the worst with a really good offensive coach in frank reich there you have a good marriage people forget the eagles have not been the same since he left the offense is just lacked that and i knew exactly that that little that little acid when they sprinkle a little bit of limit on your pasta and it just wakes up the flame that's what it is yeah so i guess the question is how will the steelers stack up against a team that we both considered to be good because the last is good team that they faced well i guess you see the ravens overtime you could say the sea hawks loss by two you could say the forty niners another close game week one blow out don't even count it ben rothlisberger was a quarterback feels like light years ago but still lands how does this mainly really how does his defense stack up against his office because you can call me crazy that's what this game's going to be won or lost because says it's an offense of light it seems like it's impenetrable with the cold save tremendous the offensive line they have to have a good running back and mac and they still have t. y. hilton and and iran who is kind of found a new life and oil yeah so they have threats and weapons can this sousse defense which we all agree is taking steps in the right direction not that they're perfect but they're taking steps in the right direction how do you think they match up in this game while must steer you back okay i'm gonna steal you back because you're running down the hill at about a hundred miles an hour i'm excited for this game on i know you are and depend slap seven on the flyers s. you're so you're super juice but let's close the book the dolphins game okay do any positional growth you want to grade stance i don't wanna go through all of them off and decided football but if you want to please give a grade for for for each position group if you want but if it is there a group that you want to grade or one group that particularly stood out on that side of the ball fall it's to me it's the position group we've been talking about a nauseam on the often side the ball since then rosberg had heard offensive line mainly offensive line run blocking because it just seemed like they hadn't open up the holes they were necessary for james carnegie going in james carter did get going to the tune of one forty five in the AFC offensive player of the week so oh i thought they did a good job i thought they were i thought that was their best game overall so far say what you wanted out the dolphins idle care they did their job and so for me i give them an a. i thought they did a good a tremendous job and they did what they had to do to win and especially coming back from fourteen points down i thought the offense find a great job what about you how would you let me ask you how would you great mason rudolph i would probably say to me uh see i will give him a c not only because the bad start in the first half i went back and watch some of the the game a little bit i had just recorded according to my television and a lot of his passes were wobbly he wasn't stepping into the throws in the second half things changed for the better obviously and i think that he started to get more comfortable maybe would want to say i hate to use this analogy with cleared some of the cobwebs of from having twenty two days off since his last game action he was still off on a lot of passes a lot of crossing rats and you mentioned this in the post game show between the numbers with him was an issue hugh i thought he did better in the second half with that but i thought the first half was bad enough the second half wasn't great enough for me to give them higher than to see what would you get it probably would be minus i like to give guys passing we'll see is passing but i like to give you you know if you win a football game in which is significant in the national football league i mean there's teams that are struggling to do that every week saw you know you typically played at least b. minus level so i put him anywhere between the c. plus b. minus level because he was playing terrible football in the first half and i thought he was really helped out by boneheaded defensive call by brian and floors and poor execution bag xavier at howard and it just terrible play by the dolphins defense but to his credit i think he was much more in rhythm them in plate with a lot more confidence in the second half and was processing things a lot quicker so it's just a balance the two halves i thought the first half was probably f- you know probably as bad as you can get you know the second half was probably a but just because they won the game i'll tilted towards a b minus this will let me sticking with route off in the offense how would you grade rain defeating her not only announcement from a game plan standpoint because the game playing got thrown out out the window when he throw a pick on your first pass and next thing you know you blink in your down fourteen nothing but how would you grade his overall in terms of what what they you said it yourself they need to let as moore of lose do you think they did that and if so how great it i don't think they let him loose because they're not trying to let him throw in between the number so oh he's still not utilizing the entire football field but they let him loose for what they want him to do they found a match up and i give the coaching staff credit they've found a candy bar number twenty four in their secondary and they went after this guy there were still some throws that he left on the field i believe it was a throat a moncrieff that he missed i think he missed throw moncrieff on-scene i know he missed johnson was wide open he missed that one mcdonald to it seemed like the easy throw he missed some throws he he left you know he definitely had a dog i went with the limited to see because i remember these throws that i have i've i've a big fan of as i have high expectations for him i wanted to see so i think the coaching staff i give them credit i'd give feeding her a. b. for sticking with with the run game and finding a match up that they could exploit and forgetting him comfortable in the second half particularly with that jumbo formation with with its bad incorrect and banner now get names wrong i mean that's that's part of course with the jumbo package in the one interstellar and it's just what i've been much better but i never be but you know turn them loose again is letting earning him audible a check out of plays letting him call protections running no huddle as well as the bottom middle of the field those are things that have to come because because i think what teams are going to do is they're going to force him to throw it a minimum feeling takeaway those areas of the field where there were he's comfortable throwing the football aw seid terms agree i want to say one thing about feet and i'm gonna give an a. because we haven't seen a fullback used that much since number thirty five dan kreider writer were the black and gold for the pittsburgh steelers and it worked in this week okay so expected again next week because everyone says it juju smith schuster sedatives editor's post game press conference that it's a week by week team offensively and there's had to look and see what's going to work this week he seems to stick around with a few things last week do you think roosevelt makes it someone that could be used all the time regardless or do you think that's just say hey worked for miami now in need of the never think you care i think you just have to be creative in how they do that if if they incorporate him as a past threat as well then yes because you don't want to declare one with rosie in there i mean and and essentially if you put rosie in there for the most part you're going to run it and if not it's going to be a deep shot off play action so if you can if you can incorporate rosie nixon the passing game i love it i like it being out there i don't think he's a guy that can be utilized like the full backup in san francisco but if you could hit him with a swing pass i la jolla williams then i think he becomes a versatile chefs piece in the office idea to bring this comment because i wanted wanted to talk about it ryan kellerman says why do you steeler fans go crazy when number seventy two's reported as eligible as said by the referee and number seventy two zach banner when they go jumbo which is something land mentioned and it was really cool the steelers twitter account took the video i think it was clemson comes in clemson bar or something when they won the national championship just going berserk and they put this video and it's what it says if issue number seventy two reported eligible at the place that's because when they say that at the stadium at heinz field the fans cheer for zach banner and it i don't remember this being a thing i'll have to debut who i know he's in the live chat if dave because he has a season ticket holder of this has been happening all season or if it's just been recently but that banner is heard this and he's actually excited now if he follows act banner social media this guy is a likable cat because he loves pittsburgh and he openly says it over and over again he didn't light football when he came to pittsburgh he found that love the game again he loves the fans loves the city and fans respond to that and so it's really cool thing and you'll you'll probably hear it on at sunday whenever you hear never seventy two is reported eligible starts here during the heard that yeah yeah it's it's it's it's it's definitely i got a quick question for you before we jump into the defensive side i wanna get your greater linebackers and as a segue to that robbie leads typed stud depre- will have multiple sacks maybe a fourth from are you prepared to change his name aim from dud i i will tell you this i will say that if budde do pre wins against that at left tackle costanzo i will change his name forever on the show to stud debris now what does winning look like getting a sack yes pressures he's getting he's beating demand in front of him that's not a tight end he's beating the tackle and get into the quarterback if he he does it against this offensive line then he is officially and i guess literally turned the corner check out the american enjoy our podcasts for a behind the scenes look at all the the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts so give me your great linebackers and a dolphin rav golf outside inside different okay i thought that the linebackers played well and it who would have thought that mark baron would be the starter after coming off the bye and he's the one with the green dot and his helmet no one is going to be vince williams and devin bush as your tandem and the inside for the rest of the season williams was played but not as a starter they actually started bearing alongside bush i don't know what to expect in terms of personnel groupings anymore and so i thought they played a game with a t. j. watt is he's just a freak show man every every game it almost seems like he showing something new but depre- is improving he's he's getting to the quarterback using athleticism i'll give them a i'll give them a because i thought they rather very good you you i'm gonna give him an a minus i'm just giving aim is just because the inside linebackers weren't super active you know i think the game against the colts will be one in which barron ambush will be tasked to cover titans with e. bryan doyle so maybe they have more of an impact in that game from a coverage perspective but again man bud aka dud TJ are freak show i mean they're getting loose and the thing that really stands out is budde do pre is is he's he's played he's a monster in the run game this year watch what he's doing on the extra secure the edge he is absolutely killing people in the run game name so you know he's a guy that's motivated them dollar bills y'all you could see it you can see his he's playing like luke maye i want filet even yawn absolutely here's a two dollars from big age which could be leading to the defense in front in that is missing to yet realistically filling that void wade lance the defensive line we saw the first play of isaiah bugs this year lt walton was a he was a scratch he did not play he was an active but we saw out there we saw we saw a lot of j von hargrave what were your the thoughts the first game action from a start to finish standpoint without steph onto i think it's hard to tell i think it's kind of hard to tell against the dolphins office dolphins aren't really good upfront i think you'll be able to tell against the colts very good offensive line doesn't give a lot of pressure you're going up against costanzo costanzo and you're going to begin nelson inside i think the test comes this sunday so i'm gonna hold my judgment for that asked me that same question next week i mean the dolphins are slumped buster i mean the the steelers treated as a slump buster game in the first half you know they were fumbling over their lines a wish it was what's your name you know that was the only line that they could go in the first half nothing smooth came out none of the velvety lines is the made the girl just say no they were fumbling stumbling over their words area intimidated in the first half so wait wait till next week to see if they go out near disruptive and they're pressuring berset and they're getting after him in there and they're dominating the run game against that front that's the true test in that game this is a good litmus test this weekend for a lot of different reasons especially defensively another defensive line their job stop the run really didn't give up a lot of people forget that they didn't they weren't granted they weren't giving up long drives so thought it was good go headlands well well let's say way into the defense i think that's a nice wrapper on the dolphins game let me give you some numbers and we talked about at the top of the program he talked about how you think this d- did this game is gonna come down to this defense and how this defense plays let me give you let me give you some numbers for this defense take aways as second in the national football league interceptions second in the national football league fourth in forced fumbles i i in fumbles recovered fourth in saks fifth and opponents yards per game us more numbers limiting bid plays seventh in the national football league and twenty plus yard games and also sixth best in the red zone is this dominant defense is this a defense that the steeler fans that the steelers and steeler fans can can assume they're going to go out and play quality football week in week out snapping snap out are they at at that point yet these are some impressive numbers they are impressive but not yet not yet there are still some words on his his team that needs to be cut off i'll quote mike tomlin is one of them he's the one that said that the defense is there when they turn the ball over the offense gets thurs interception on their very first pass attempt you hold on to a few people think about what the san francisco forty niners did the pittsburgh when they turned it over five times they didn't get points attorney they weren't giving up touchdowns they gave a few goals but they didn't give up touchdowns that is something that's missing in the second thing for a eh and we've talked about this off air via text message these freaking third and long conversions have got to stop they just have to the third fifteen third third eleven's there's downs where you figure they got behind the chains were fine they're not fine they give up those too many times lands what do you think think and here's the thing about those third and longs even if they get a stop on the next series of downs those are field flippers and when you you have a quarterback like mason rudolph when you have a young signal caller back there he needs field position you cannot trust mason rudolph hell oh you can't trust only a couple of weeks trust a couple of guys to drive you eighty and get touchdowns let alone a guy with his limited experiences mason rudolph so so you're absolutely right jeff they are really really close they they are they are really really close to being that dominant unit that you can hang your head on but like you know we were chatting earlier this week via text i think dave was saying i know dave is probably gonna live i think they were sixteenth eighteenth middle of the road in the national football league in terms of third and long conversions and that has to improve in my opinion i mean that needs to be you the team is thirty eleven thirty twelve you know the fist is going up in the air they need punt you know i know you can't be perfect but you talk if you wanna be a dominant defense you can't give up almost any of those i mean that has to be a plot you you've got a force teams to punt but let me ask you now jeff someone stats let me let me go back to the stats and let me let me say these again takeaways second interceptions exception second forced fumbles fourth fumble recoveries i let me give you some numbers associated with with minkah fitzpatrick so the steelers before minkin fitzpatrick own to thirty point five points per game allowed zero point five takeaways per game eh post mink three into sixteen point eight points per game and three takeaways per game is that enough to say there's been a minka effect it's tough to say especially those surly games like when he played in san francisco he had three practices under his belt and he does come up with a forced fumble in that game he does have an interception in that game i think it was tipped south of cam kelly if i remember correctly but the one thing you hear about mak- fitzpatrick that i do think you can say it is minka effect effect is his communication that he is someone that's in the back and that doesn't just get himself in the right spot but also gets others there's in the right spot and that in my opinion is what they've missed with sean davis terrell admits sean davis is a bright guy i but i just think it's patrick is on a is on another level in terms of i q and when it comes to football i think that make if his patrick has calmed down that secondary made everyone get them in the right place and i think that's where you see the biggest impact because sometimes you just have to be in the right place to make a play look at his first interception you just have to be in the right place the ball finds you and how how many times prior to make its patrick even week one especially in week one against the mainland did you see the secondary players but their arms up going ah the motioning to each other doing you don't see that as much now now that might not be fitzpatrick that might be keep butler simplifying things or they just might be better prepared i i don't know but i do think there's an effect what about you the other thing about mink if it's patrick everything you said i think i agree with one hundred percent you have to be in the right place as communication is better things look clean guys look like they are executing the defense and doing an executing the calls as they are called you don't see wasted misted movement wasted motion you don't seek infusion the other thing that's great with minka is he completes the play a lot of times guys are in the right position -sition and they still don't catch the ball like he he dots the i like i'm in the right place i'm playing the right technique and i'm actually catching the ball his ball skills and that might be one of his best skills or his actual ball skills he actually completes beats the play sean davis might be in position but it might bank off of his face masks and it's a solid play but it's not a makeup play clay you hear that the minka play because he's not catching the ball mingka's actually completing the play catching the ball aw making the play there's no i taylor would make it's not bouncing off of his hands when it's close to minka minka makes the play and like a lot of players that have played the position really well at safety when guys are always around the ball that's not lucky that's football IQ that's knowing where you're supposed to be and that's football awareness that's FBI football IQ you that's why he's in the right position i think there has been a minka effect i think he has stabilized that back in an airplane with a lot more confidence as a result okay so i'm curious as to thinking i'm trying to think of a way other than like a one through ten system how much better do you think makes his patrick because then sean davis was if sean davis was i would outdo one through ten okay if ten being great is sean davis was a six and a half seven minka probably as a prospect was probably a nine nine nine and a half prospect you know in terms of if you looked at their scouting reports and so on and so forth these guys weren't in the same stratosphere in terms of pedigree mingka's pedigree was always much higher then sean davis sean davis was a solid guy minka a three and a half star guy if you wanna use that that system minka was a five star guy high school college so on so forth so you're seeing that so he's a smart guy was well prepared coming out of alabama system and he's just you know he's steady eddie like mike tomlin says and there has been a impact and effect on on his defense but he has a test this weekend because if he has to play e- bronner's single coverage that's going to be a tough assignment for him i i think he's ready for that he was he said that he's better off as a slot cornerback than he is at safety i don't necessarily agree with that and i think that's one of the reasons he wanted to go to a pittsburgh was because pittsburgh was gonna play him as a free safety now let's go the other safety and i wanna get your thoughts on terrell edmonds velvet i know that you are a fan of his thing that he he is an up and coming player i have my reservations are you still trending in that direction for edmunds you know safety combination you appreciate this analogy jeff FSBA musician it's like a kick and the snare that's true you know it's like a kicking the snare right they play fantastic they have a nice rhythm together i mean we've seen edmonds not get be not make boneheaded plays he missed tackles in the game which were kind of bad eh but you seem sort of his play be stable as well with minka it's a kick snare they date day kinda fit together like the i think he's really stabilized edmonds as well like edmonds is in the right spot edmonds is doing it right things they are really really athletic combination that safety to i mean they might be the most athletic starting safety combination in professional in national football actually they might be the only team that starts to first round traffic's ironically at safety francine's draft class from the same draft class so i think they complement each other because they're truly both free their hybrids their free safety strong safety guys they they have the skill set to play both and i think they complement each other well and i think with mika fitzpatrick around you're seeing the best edmonds yeah i want to take a quick aside here lanson remind everyone that's watching we have over one hundred thirty people currently viewing this live on youtube if you didn't know you generally go to youtube dot com and search BT SC steelers radio we always remind people that the best way you can help us in peace some people give us the yeah the tip jar money money as we call it the super chat feature which can basically it is a little dollar sign next to the the comment for you can donate any amount of money we don't expect everyone to give their hard earn money to us though so if you want to help us and it's completely free is to like this video i'll say it again just like the video and subscribed described the channel if you subscribe to the chant we want our goal is five thousand right lands by the end of the season yameogo six thousand wall because we're at four thousand two hundred and fifty cents i'm gonna go six thousand eight six dollars since we've been doing this call to action during our podcast we've had a significant bump and that's awesome our videos are getting wool over one hundred lights but when you think about a video like our post game wh- end up with over four thousand views and we only have like three hundred lakes come on guys it's just hit the button humor is today's are listening and audio lances pretending to punch the screen there i'm like an old pop locked move like you know used to do this to see do that like if have you used to pop jeff used to pop justice justice do electric bugalo yeah he had a car board out in front of the house i know i didn't give a video like subscribed to the channel we appreciate your listening on audio platforms and you're not into the youtube xenakis lina feinstein for everybody make sure you subscribe to our channel whichever avenue you're listening to a podcast platform whether it's stitcher i tuned spotify google play and give us a good review because it helps us in terms of pumping up the rankings of other steeler podcasts as we wanna go sorry yeah yeah jump back into the point you were making star program because it's time to talk about the colts before we do that let let let's talk about the injury report how did that but but you had a lot of good questions about the steelers plan to colts and and i think it's appropriate to talk about that after the injury report okay injury report today came out james name's connor was the biggest name he did not participate i don't think that was shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone tomorrow and friday the practice reports you have to z. other big names didn't practice marquees pounds he didn't basically anyone that was injured from last week did not practice but you ulysses gilpin with the third who didn't play last on monday night due to back spasms he was limited and the biggest name that did practice fully was jalen jalen samuels is jalen samuels looking to make his return and so it's kind of it carter can't play at least jalen daniels is going to be returning and so he he might have to shoulder the load i don't know if that makes me feel confident and comfortable as of wednesday night that's where we stand so jeff we talked talked about connor and can you give listeners a quick breakdown of the AC joint you know kind of what that is and how that might in european impact or running back it's basically just the lamen around the joint and when you saw him for go down he that's why a lot of people thought it might have been a clavicle because he had no way of bracing himself it was just straight down all the weight of the tackle on his shoulder it basically is just a mobility thing it's a pain tolerance thing it's it's gonna take rest to improve and so if they hold them out i i wouldn't be shocked but at the same time it depends on how severe this brain is no one's going to say that so if you see him be unlimited if you see him be limited participant in practice on thursday i would say that he is gearing up to play on sunday if he misses again on thursday in his limited or on friday maybe not so much let me ask you this and i'm opposed this question to the live chat as well i don't think or let me just the state now let me just ask question do you think he can physically hold up to his running style and if you don't i don't think he can what's what's the future for for connor in pittsburgh it how do you think the steelers should handle that hey i'm spencer hall i'm i'm holly anderson i'm ryan nanny i'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown forecast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that that means and basically what it is it's all spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too fashionable pants worn middle school we also do do you talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app i saw him do things last night i've never seen him do you ever seen running backslide never he never was safe at second i was like what is he doing like i've never seen a running back slide hi harris lead in the seventies right my hair was ripped for running out of bounds if he slid on a football field but anyway the side lied while but no that that that that's an aside because that is something that he did intentionally to avoid taking a hit it is if he's learning or trying to learning in someone brought this up in the live chat i think it was last week it might have been for this jewish preview show may mentioned how this butt naked robbed rarely early ever got pot roast wasn't his style he kind of knew when to just give himself up go down and live to play another down whereas is james garner is like a reckless eight kind of seems like you know when a when a someone steals a car they're just going reckless down the interstate and if they hit something they hit something if someone gets in their way they're gonna get hit i think that absolutely he can learn to avoid some of these hits has been at the same time we'll see what do you think if you see me bobbing my head in the live chat kinda like i'm breaking is because i have the famous song by steve arrington slave in my head why don't you sly doo doo doo doo doo slide in doo do do do do do slide he had to think of that if i saw my running back slide i'd make the no if you're watching the live chat right the note twenty twenty drafts we're taking a running back pretty early early this dude slid out all know if he could be are running back i've never seen the runningback slide i'm giving him a pink slip as soon as i can a running back cast lot you can't slide you just can't do that you i don't think he can hold up and i think because he can't hold up i think the steelers have to invest in a back next year they've gotta bring somebody in i mean the steelers are down to what happens brother potentially as the third running back they have to bring another guy i'm not suggesting that you spend spend a lot of draft capital with a high pick running back i'm not saying you do the rashard mendenhall but they need a running back he slid i'm sorry a dollar ninety nine from the unemployed antonio brown who says conner is like de will referring to the angela williams hard-nosed says we need a bell media lady on bell butt naked robbed robbed but they could end rob and i i got a kick out of the jets dangling him on the trade wire man that was hilarious dad was i had people email me saying should the steelers think about vada and there was no no they should not no no no no i personally i disagree with you on and the connor thing yes he's lid yes it's a bad look reminded me of someone sliding headfirst into first base baseball you just don't do it i don't know for me i think conor is is capable but like you said his style is not conducive to playing in a sixteen game schedule therefore i think that's when jalen samuels becomes extremely important and i think the jalen samuels is developing into a very very well rounded running back would you agree i agree but here's the problem the bigger problem for connor it's the coach does not want want to do running back by committee the coach is used to running wheels off running backs he's not a running back by committee guy and we've never never seen him manage his backs like that he's going to run through their wheel salt loss in unfortunately for james connor his wills are not pirellis no they are not so we'll see how his shoulder holds up this sunday mother he gets in the game but there's a question in a live chat is this individual has asked us probably about three times not a super chat question but he clearly wants the answer i fiddle take the time to answer it necessary noah he's jeffersonians do you think because the steelers as played a game against for a year or two ago that they will have a better preparation against him coming into this sunday i think so i don't know how much you know when you say better i don't know if it's you know they're going to prepare fifty percent better seventy five percent better but in general the more tape that you have on a guy i think the better prepared that you can be specifically if you prepare for a guy in this is a case where it's not just game film but they know his skill set well oh for preparing against him however i think it's going to be a little bit different because to dealing with the frank right system and and how he operates in that system but i think having played brusett i think they are comfortable in knowing what his skill set is what he can do how he moves in the pocket how he's got some ability he's got a pretty strong arm so seeing him definitely gives them a leg up however you know how much is the point of contention dave brought this up but it made me really think the colts say the chargers have won three games in one of those games against the colts i didn't realize they beat the colts this year and so you know you can get into this game will they be dan and we'd be damn and this and that he's we can beat the NFL anyone anyone can win any given week i personally believe that angles who are benching andy dome by otherwise iraq iraqi baby bre sets a cia he's a different beast he's he's on a running quarterback so he doesn't scare hear me he can run but he's not he's not a lamar jackson or a shawn watson where tuck hit and run is a dynamic arsenal or weapon in their arsenal personal i should say so i think he's a little bit more statuesque if the steelers can get right on the outside linebacker in the defensive front i think they can get home it would be really interesting but real quick antonio brown who's unemployed and is giving money dr shows we really appreciate it dollar ninety nineties here's the money for that basic jersey or doc i'm not buying a devon hodges jersey jersey maybe get eight add that to what get an aide eight yeah it just adds isn't rudolf six and doc is six rough his two eight eight man i knew the numbers numbers get at eight in get a duck rudolph sorta sorta like turn duck in ducking john madden exactly what else you have plants let's just break down the game i don't you think this game's going to look at an office inside of football before we get into the question of this show gimme your thoughts on the office how do you think this offense matches up against against the colts defense i wanna i wanna know who's running the ball for the steelers that's gonna be interesting to me also i think he to say but i actually there are times where i think BJ finney can be an upgrade over ramon foster so if i agree i hydrate if foster is out with a concussion than i think finish stepping it'll be fine they'll be fine in that regard now pounces calf injury lingers that's a different different story altogether now you're talking about juggling the offense justin houston has still had a really good pass rusher and he can recent havoc but the steelers strength on the offensive line is pass protection this is a game daddy mason rudolph is going to have to make those a specific plays that he missed on monday he's going to have to make those plays to win the deep passes to deontay john's that he just overthrew rub the underthrown pass to juju the underthrown pass advance mcdonnell the passes behind the receivers over the middle this is a game where the opportunities are not going to be plentiful as they were on monday night you have to cash in on those and so for me i don't i don't think the steelers offense ability like dominate anyone that i don't see this as a huge a you look at cisco or seattle or new england and and you saved us defense is legit i don't necessarily think that with the colts i think they're good but i don't think they're upper-echelon middle of the road i think that if they can run the football i'll use roosevelt next again regardless of who's back there let mason rudolph push the ball down the field that they can ask successfully course appoints their average of points has has had to go up right because they scored twenty seven so they were what twenty point five tick they're probably around twenty to a game mm-hmm it's gonna be moving in the right direction yes gonna protect it's gonna particularly i think you're spot on i think they've got to be able to run the ball in this game name and i think they have to the colts play a lot of cover too i think they have you have to be able to attack the seams and cover too so this is a game where right like to see them you know really attacked to safety split run some post stuff run some drag some underneath stuff trying to hit a deep post host to try to really throw it in between the numbers i think they're going to have to really attack the seems an attack in between the number as well and they're going to have to run the football i mean this is a game where hopefully if they can run it they could stay on schedule so i mean do you think we'll get the predictions later but you know is this a game where you know the steelers are struggling on offense in your thought there it's going to take a little bit of it's going to be some tough sledding chopping wood or do you think they can come on really have their way with this coach defense it's tough for me to say that this offense is gonna come out and have their way with anybody right now until i see him do it but at the the same time i think it comes down to two things that i want to see them do they did this pretty well on monday night number one lands is the b word is eight on the time balance balance the tasks and the run okay second for the love of all things holy don't don't be afraid to put juju smith schuster in the slot dominates in the slot because most teams are not going to take their best s. cornerback and moved them into the slot they're going to put their mike hilton type in the slot puts us you over my killed and he'll win that match up nine out of ten times lives that's when they saw success against miami that's also wouldn't you saw some things actually on the outside are open up as well use him there be creative but someone asked this is something i don't know if you had planned for this on a you'd ask dave a bunch of questions ron s a question do you think that the tight it ends need to be more involved in this office bingo ding ding ding ding ding ding ding h- you get the gold prize you found a willy wonka ticket ticket to the willy wonka factory you found the golden ticket absolutely i mean you've gotta physical freak show in vance mcdonald donald trump needs to be attacking guys in the scenes you have to you have to utilizing entire football field if defense has a feel for what areas to the football field you want to target into pass game they're gonna flood those areas and they're gonna make it harder for you to complete those passes yes that is part of the maturation of mason rudolph is he going to have to incorporate tight ends and be able to attack the middle of the field he's gonna have to do it i think you're absolutely right now i didn't get a chance to listen to the stat geek show so i'm not sure what numbers dave pointed out but if you want more information on that you know make sure you check out the stack each show because dave definitely chimed into that auburn defense aside a football i think this is all about stopping the run i mean indianapolis indianapolis wants to wake up go to bed get off the bus and run the football and established spread you out they're gonna hit e braun they're gonna hit doyle they're gonna hit t. y. hilton but all of it is built behind the running game they're gonna try to grind you impound to mac dynamic back and this there's gonna be a great test you know one of the guys in the live chat earlier talked about the impact of to it not being around you're going to see it here and you're going to see a particularly in the running game because i think this is a game both often supplies are very good in pass protection i think the colts have given up a couple of you or saxton the steelers i think they were wanting to maybe going into this game maybe two in one now whatever it is but i don't think there's gonna be a ton of pressure on both sides

editor youtube steelers west virginia pittsburgh jeff hartmann virginia california six thousand eight six dollars five hundred dollars seventy five percent one hundred percent twenty two days fifty percent three months ten seconds two dollars two minutes two seconds
Sleeper Picks + Preseason Battles

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

56:16 min | 1 year ago

Sleeper Picks + Preseason Battles

"I clan now is the time you're draft is approaching. This is the biggest fantasy football draft weekend of the entire year. You got to grab the the alternate draft kit. We've been working on this thing non. Stop after preseason weekdays. This thing is going to continue to be updated. Our sleepers are bus are breakouts one hundred plus video profiles. You want the top two hundred. It's in there in app an app to help you. During your draft it's their baby <music> all time it draft kit dot com and we have a message from nitsa if you think drunk driving is no big deal. You couldn't be more wrong. You could get in a crash. People could get hurt or killed and you could get arrested incur huge legal expenses or even lose your job so next time you plan on drinking. Make sure you plan ahead designate a sober driver or use a rideshare service to get home safely drive sober or get pulled over <music>. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcastone coming to you from pristina auction dot com studios with your hose andy holloway jason moore and mike right welcome in hi. We're back and better than ever. It's thursday august. Twenty zaken got preseason week three tonight. Low yes leave. We have six ballgames not enough half. They'll play on friday and saturday as well. I think maybe even sunday not as you know if we could separate the season like that where it's like friday through sunday. It basically is right. It's thursday monday. Sometimes saturday night sometimes sometimes see mine today at six a._m. Because they're playing an international game yeah we could do without that. Yeah i like it. I i'm i'm an early riser you. You've been up for three hours on one hundred percent right. The east coast has to like it right because that's like oh. You wake up good time. There's a game on not for us us. It's like we've got to set an alarm clock to watch football. You do yeah well. Certainly you know it's funny 'cause preseason week three you get into this time period where like we're starved for fan for fantasy football for n._f._l. Games for for months and months and months and then like the hall of fame games and that's like half half a peanut on the non and you just eat it because you haven't had anything to eat for a little sodium and then like one like a hoping and then you got like two peanuts and week to week week three dress rehearsal but it's really like five peanuts but i wanna meal like and we're getting to the point where we're going to get that team teams. Some teams are playing everybody tonight. Some are not some are playing. Nobody tonight this weekend. The bears are not gonna not messing with it. They're just wild. Daniel begins again so today on the show. We have our sleeper picks or individual sleeper picks <hes>. Let's let's get into the quick question because it's a continuation of that well position battles. Are you watching the closest during week three of the preseason for me. It's the kansas city chiefs running back situation. The kansas city chiefs have been a little bit more inclined to say that they're gonna play their starters and while early in the offseason there didn't seem to be a positional battle. You have darwin when thompson who has seemingly leapt carlos hind. You've got the whole question some some reporter saying they don't expect carlos. I had to make the roster <hes> and then of course course damian williams a high draft. Pick is something to worry about or not. <hes> you know i would love it if damian williams for his sake if he just doesn't play in the game they they get a look at darwin thompson and it's it's. I'm not sure that's in the best interest of of damien williams is darwin thompson balls out yeah. If dane darwin thompsons all alone reports i mean we're gonna talk about it sure <hes>. I'm just not sure if if that's the best thing for damian was i think if damien williams comes out and has five or six touches you know three or four touches does something with them. That might be better but that's one to watch. No doubt i want to see the continuation of the jordan howard miles sanders philadelphia backfield summoned the fantasy community scooping up as much jordan howard late as possible others like myself love mile sanders and the opportunity for him to become a work horse so i wanna see first naps does mile sanders continue to beat out jordan howard and a yards per carry like he's. He's a yard and a quarter more than howard this preseason not a lot to go on metric wise. You just need to use your eyeballs. Watch watch these guys play football so and i will be watching washington. Allegedly sorry look allegedly. Dairy is guys is going to to play tonight. It's been quite the adventure the ups and the downs of darius guys from his preseason debut last year when all that was so nice when he had the huge play ends up tearing his a._c. Well getting hurt. He said he was fine then it was a torn a._c._l. Then there was setbacks in the recovery infections sounds like big problems for dairy skies and he has been interesting because fantasy football players during the offseason they were still willing to go go in on the potential of darius guys you know late fourth and then you kind of settled into a fifth round six round pick. He's dropped all the way to the back of the seventh round where if he comes out and shows that he's establishing dominance of this backfield in the back of the seventh round. Maybe i'm back on board because the running backs any way for him to really do that. In one preseason game just stagich dominance like like you said eyeball test it does. He look like he has his burst back. Does he look like the player who was coming out of college because if he does then he can in my opinion can hold hold off adrian peterson. Chris thompson will still have his role in the backfield but i think he can hold off a m._b. Their primary one to <hes> down back guys going in that range range kenyan drake rashad penny daryl henderson i mean i can't imagine that he does anything tonight that i don't end up feeling like he's setting a trap crap in the four. He's covering with leaves for us. All a pongy pit yeah a little bit where tonight you know carry one. He puts a bag leaves over it and then in the the regular season. It's just not the backfield. I want it. I just don't imagine what he can do but i i'm curious. I wanna know what he looks like on the field for as is it a back half of the year thing. I like guys going right behind him. I'm just talking running back position because there's wide receivers in there. That say sounds like i'm taking a wider segment in that right man didi he's in there but behind him royce freeman jordan howard kareem hunt ag- if you're looking for a running back in that range and areas guys shows that he is healthy and ready to go oh yeah he would he would vote to the top of that that list of running but my hope sandy is that he's going to go out there with a rake and take the leaves out of the way and show show the whole if he just doesn't look good it becomes out there and there's a little silken or i don't want him to get her. Oh my goodness like stay healthy my friend. You've you've been through it. Get healthy not my friend yeah yeah all right. We have some news. We're going to get into lots going on in the fantasy world. Remember the great refrain rang. You don't win your championship. At the draft you set the foundation for the year subscribe to the podcast is five days a week. We're here all season long every single week. We'll be bringing you. Our our favorite starts laying out the kind of the whole picture for your fantasy team. This show so is about more than just like this guy or that guy. It's about kind of bringing the arguments forward for these players. We don't always agree for goodness sakes. Look yesterday take kerryon johnson best part yeah yeah and so we debate those things and we also want like the reality is is we want the really easy decision of like here's a list of ten players will put them in order. You make a pick. That's not how you win. Fantasy football the way you win at fantasy football is realizing that okay. That's a piece piece of it. We ranked players but one team a certain pick is better for that team right one players more risky one players safer <hes> for another team that decision the same two players might literally be different so stay here. We're gonna help you win. We're gonna help you have more fun playing subscribe on apple podcasts. Leave the review. That always helps the show. Wherever you're listening to the show we appreciate you tuning in and i want to remind people the mega ball you can still enter the megamall ornament all manner and as we've talked about this. This is the biggest tournament moraga we've ever done. If you are a a foot clan member you get an injury. There's over four thousand of you in there. Already you just go to join the foot dot com you enter the winner gets a twenty twenty listener league spot in an invitation to hang out with us for wild card weekend saturday wild card saturday and it's just going to be a blast so check it out at joined. The foot dot com. Tom verdi got thousands of foot clan members in this tournament. It's hosted by sleeper. It's gonna be a ton of fun and then mike mentioned the ultimate draft gay right now. Get it at ultimate draft dot com. Let's jump into the news news notes from around the league presented by sleeper all right ian rapoport coming out saying melvin gordon's hold out expected to continue into the season cool. This is i mean just incredible insight breaking news letting us know that literally nothing has changed changed <hes> but yeah hey the good news is it'll. It'll hurt his draft position a little bit. Maybe you can scoop them up later but the reality is we've said this for a long long time. This is an ugly holdout. Melvin gordon's gonna probably stay out as many games as he can to accrue. The necessary season comeback halfway through the season is is my guest but i i just can't see them coming to contractual terms to get them out there week one or even week three. I'd be surprised. He says he's waiting waiting for a call. So i'm just picturing. He walks over every twenty minutes to his cell phone on the table takes. Another glance goes back to working out in his helmet. That's a thing he's doing now. Z. does he do he. He does the whole thing. He was called back. I was in the shower. Yeah i'd i'd. I thought i heard the phones you call. Did you blow dry hair got about a minute. I missed you. Guys got my money like the nice thing for this and look in rabba abortions. Doing he's just doing his job. He's squishing hope well because you should not out of hand right at this point. The nice thing though is if this is going to change it changes overnight. It's it's a contract gets sent over melvin born approves and then it's done melbourne's back the report had been the gap is ten to you know he wants thirteen million a year the teams willing to pay him ten million a year. That's the gap so is that gap worth six seven eight games. Probably we'll find out if either team. Here's here's a solution eleven and a half million dollars. Let's play football. Quick is drafting them this week this weekend. You're drafting where he'd uncomfortable to hear redraft. It's like six around yeah. I would agree with that. You're not going to get them there. Are the kind of the cardinals have signed michael crabtree formerly of the ravens just to a one year deal mediocre signing of the week. It might be our last time of the season to play. That drop was worth it <hes> yeah obviously you had kevin white right. <hes> let go from the team. He did not get it done and by that. I mean as an n._f._l. Player and you also have the injury to kim butler. Crabtree crabtree is going to be on the field. He's going to you know obviously they're not paying him over a million guaranteed two and a quarter million <hes> with upside to to not come in and play. He's going to be a vet opposite larry and then christian kirk. I wonder if i don't i don't share that thought with with you. You don't think he's gonna play. I don't think it it does is guaranteed that he's going to have any role in this thing. I don't i would be shocked if he doesn't have a role. You've been out on crabtree for like three years. Here's and i don't. I don't think it's gary look you don't add veteran guys at the eleventh hour going into week. Three those are not high priority players for your offense assure i understand he has experience in the in the air raid and and the the concept but you're not like keyshawn johnson is going to have a bigger bigger role than michael. Crabtree is christian kirk larry fitzgerald. Those are the guys i'm arguing for it. If crap she plays it will be over keyshawn johnson it would be the coaching staff decided even though he's been you know the quote star of camp but maybe a we've seen plenty of superstars at training camp who aren't actually ready to play play it when it's sunday so maybe maybe crabtree comes in as the third wide receiver alright. Anthony miller has been out of action since august tenth this is it's not great for the early season prognosis for anthony miller. No he needs to move forward. The team loves him. They talk all about the mental reps. He's taken in the attention to detail in the meeting room but you need to be on the field. Miller was my sleeper pick from a about a week and a half ago had put that in and this injury took him out. I've replaced raced him because they don't want to draft a guy. That's going to get off to a slow start. I still think keep your eye on them. Pick them up off of waivers when when he's healthy and back out there is definitely a talented aalto receiver all right. There was some news yesterday about the vance dan's vance mcdonald. They asked the offensive coordinator of pittsburgh weather whether he would see increased playing time in two thousand nineteen. He says he won't he's never gonna play the full game. That's never gonna happen. Mike put his pants on so quick. Look i've recovered okay so in initially when i came out especially coming from the mouth of oh that that was that was made yesterday and the o._c. and i it was a kick right to the numbers after i picked myself up off the floor. The tummy me ache subsided like yes he. He doesn't have to play the full game. Most tight ends aren't george kit old travis kelsey zakar records playing ninety percents of the snaps. You look at like evan ingram over that second half of the year where ingram was a great fantasy tight end. He's playing seventy percent sending the snaps and i still believe that vance mcdonald can get up to that. Maybe he doesn't have reported ninety percent. Play the full game but it just it. Would it would be absolutely baffling if vance mcdonald isn't playing up around the seventy percent of snap. I mean you just look at the depth chart and say okay if he's not your grumble who not inimical right so. I don't think they've got a choice and you need to pass catchers. They'll play too tight ends. I mean grumble will be out. There will be in line guy like jesse. James and i don't think this is a story. The story for vance mcdonald is not oh. I really hope he gets all the snaps for the team. The story prevents me. Donald is there's this giant gaping aping hall of targets with antonio brown leaving the team and snaps at the tight end position <hes> <hes> sure but i mean even if even if you say hey he's going to be on the field. Grumble will be in line blocker. Her just like jesse james snap wise. I'm more interested in the fact. That big been cares about throwing the ball to vance mcdonald is not so much you know any of the oh oh he's not going to get an extra snap. I doubt that this offense coordinator is going to be going well. That's you did that. Many snaps bright and you're on the field last year was as healthiest year so your point is well taken andy. If he just plays the same amount of snaps that he did last year. He'll still get more targets because antonio brown is not out there playing playing those same sniff fifteen touchdowns what antonio brown had last year yes sir so he'll have zero for them this year bold t. so red zone opportunity soon as you do you take a tight and give them three more touchdowns on the snap count that vance had last year. I still think there's reasons for optimism. Yes i've recovered and i'm still there. I have not adjusted vance mcdonald. Donald about the dance would have gotten out of control if if interest we're never did the bruce arians with godwin and said he will never leave the field ooh man that would be inappropriate yeah. This was interesting to me. Jay glazer reporting on watching cooper cockpit. Practice says he timed better in every athletic tasks post a._c._l. Tear said it was amazing. What cooper cup looks like so. We've we've done this ping pong ball a little bit with cup. It's super excited. He's the best value in fantasy because all three of those guys are valuable and he's the latest. I just want then. It's it might be slow. Start more two tight end sets. Give them a chance to recover from the a._c._l. Then it's better than you did before the a._c._l. He's a young player. He was a red zone on threat. Where do you fall on the pendulum swing of cooper cop i. I've been fully back for a couple of weeks since when he went into training camp was fully cleared to practice this right away i mean that's that's a huge signal number one and then just injury people that i trust have been watching him saying cooper cobb looks like he is. He's back back to health. Of course. He still carries the a._c._l. Risk of these guys tend to hurt a hamstring at some point usually early on in the season so that that risk exists but that's baked into his a._d._p. Where you're drafting cooper cup right now if if he didn't have any of those problems he going at least around earlier all right. I couple of hype things alexander madison hype report yesterday and medicine. This is jay glazer by the way who did the cup report. He's a big fan of adjectives. I mean big ones. <hes> can't stop raving raving about the vikings zander madison the glazer the vikings well jay glazer reported that the vikings were raving to him just say the report is salaam different different guys jay glazer alexander sir sir front row tickets. His point was the hype train here is that the team is is on board alexander. Madison's go player and this is not very different from new orleans and as much as mark ingram had a role on the roster last last year. Latavius murray had a role on the roster galvin coke has not been the pinnacle of health alexander madison starting to look like very interesting flyer in the jalen. Samuels category fantasy drafts yeah look he could. He could have standalone value. I know that all like like we've it. You guys especially been very high on dalvand cook. The inside minnesota sources talking about the entire offense is going around run around alvin cook and look. I'm if you want if you're still on that side that's perfectly fine but if the team is in fact really falling in love with their third round running back pick it just it creates a little bit more probability that maybe davos cooked doesn't actually achieve that workload that they've been talking talking about. It's to me it's all about goal line. You know the reports were delve and cook was going to be the goal line guy this year. If that's the case for fantasy he's going to be great. Unbelievable has a chance to be in the top three but if he's not if he's splitting that fifty percent of the time with alexander madison who is built for for that then that's going to take the upside. That's gonna take the top off of it and that does concern me. I've tried to reach out to minnesota. Insiders will stay tuned <hes> there's opportunity there for sure so that was today's news and notes from sleeper plan a fantasy sports platform that does not suck modern design infinite customization support for redraft dynasty. Check out the sleeper ab now before we get into our sleepers. We're we're doing sleeper picks on the show today. We've gotta think today's sponsors and this episode fancy footballers is brought to you by head and shoulders and walmart now mike i wanna be clear about something with you very clear using head and shoulders every day. It's great offense for your hair. Mike andy andy. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying about the office but headed shoulders. It's great defense for the flakes but at the same time what i'm saying is it's offense. This is defense. I know i said we don't always agree but it's offense defense andy. We'll shift gears chunky peanut butter creamy peanut in a butter. That's ridiculous peanut butter and jelly honey. What is happening. That's asinine. You're stupid <hes> best hair in the n._f._l. Travis kelsey odell beckham yeah he might be right there pop soda. I got that from my mom. We call it pop around the house. Dogs ok dogs. We had added vat back to head and shoulders. It's like a two point conversion for your hair. Mike andy we talk about this. It's like a safety against flakes. I think it's more offensive flood defence for a flake free scout checkout head and shoulders on walmart dot com or look for head and shoulders blue and white bottle at your local walmart store and no matter where where you fall on that debate the one hundred percent flake free scalp offense or defense check out head and shoulders walmart dot com or look for it find find it at your local walmart store and foot clan. Wow world of warcraft classic is coming. You get an either tingles. Blizzard entertainment has been hard at work restoring and recreating the original world of as a roth as it was in the earliest days just as you remember it right down to the last the pain staking detail. We are talking leroy jenkins in his heyday. We're talking you b. R. s. runs and ian. I have we the of live the world of warcraft live. We know that you have we've heard we heard the response when we were talking about the day jack aids project act every twenty minutes forty minutes. We have the music play for his computer as he's logged in to just play the music. It's coming soon. I want that nostalgia. We're all the world the classic classic it's coming back gathering of the party explore the depths of black rock gear up face. The fire lowered in molten core while classic is included with your regular world of warcraft crafts subscription at no additional cost so you're in france can raid black where black wing layer one night then head into the latest battle for as rath content the next while subscribers in reserve their character named now ready to go the moment the servers go live checkout while classic dot com slash fantasy footballers for all the details sleepers our yesterday. We had the thus show. We had the breakout show the day before now. We're onto sleepers. We've each got a couple of names. We wanna bring forward jason. I'm going to set the ball on the tee for you. You can go first sure thing. I've got a i've got a twofer here i've got to for i've got a two running back on throw really really quick because one i just want to name name is malcolm brown. Malcolm brown is a guy that is the actual backup to todd gurley. Yes but they'll hit us. It's going to the seventh round and malcolm brown is late thirteenth. Aka undrafted so get milk and bread but the actual guy that i i i am very interested in also very late and drafts as as damian harris damian harris the rookie running back for the patriots. They spent a day to pick on him in the third round after spending a first round pick it consulting michelle last year winning a super bowl damian harris look. Everyone loves josh jacobs right. He's the number one back in the league but he was essentially he split time with damian harris at alabama. He was the backup to damien. Here is because damian harris is a really talented back. He has rave reviews early early on in camp. He got injured for a little while during camp and then the buzz went away but now he's back this last preseason game. He looked awesome. The other players came out. It talked about how awesome he was. Rex burkhead came out and was like dudes been great and that's whose job he's taken sorry rex but the upside with daming aiming harris we always talk about rookie running backs they they they can explode <hes> you know two and a quarter per year finish as an rb one. Sony michelle has a bit of an injury history towards a._c._l. In highschool missed games georgia for a fractured shoulder blade an ankle ankle injury another knee injury then gets drafted was expected to fall in the draft because of his degenerative knee issue <hes> then he ended up missing beginning of the season to issue then missed a couple more games later in the season already. This year has had another niece. Scope is not going away isn't he's. He's not like oh good. I got a new knee. I'm good to go forever so damian. Harris is a very late round. Pick that i think could get involved evolved more than is expected. I think he could take some of that. Rex burkhead passing work. I know yesterday. You talked about not being in love with james white. I think damian harris is a reason <hes> against james white while i mean these are sleepers. I just wish you talk about damian harris without talking down about sony michelle well but he's the upside website. The upside of damian harris is should something happen to sony michelle then. You've got a true work horseback. I think damian harris can be good. Even even while sony is rex burkhead in the playoffs this last season he had three touchdowns in two games and they and that was wall sony was balling out. This is a team. That's going to run the ball a lot. They're going to have a ton of touchdown. Opportunities daming harris's great around the goal line so that's why like we don't draft. We don't love drafting handcuffs handcuffs specifically right like because you don't know when a guy's gonna go down. It's usually not going to be week one. It's as the season goes on. If i am going to draft a handcuff the two the things that i want one is a known injury history with the running back ahead of them so like girly and sony michelle. There's actual reason to believe there could be 'cause early in the season season or standalone value and i think that's where damian harris will surprise. I think damian harris could have weekly standalone value if he's getting a couple four receptions and get a goal line work. That's good enough to be a flex player. That's bold. I think it's bold tacoma flex. I don't mind the sleeper pick <hes>. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out. I tend to the sony michelle injury debate. I feel like we are either aware of of the problem in a way that bill belichick isn't an i tend to think that bill belichick in this offense and where they drafted him believes. It's not as big of a problem as most people speculate. What would you say that if they believed it was a problem on their day to pick. They would use another pick on running back because they did yeah i. I don't know i don't the. I don't think that that's a regret pick but i think damian harris is very talented. I just don't know how the depth chart is. Gonna shake out. We know brandon. Bolden is active on game days special teamer because of special teams so then you look at who's active on game days. Are you going to have three running. Backs active along with brandon so <hes> opportunity is one hundred percent therefore if sony michelle has problems and you believed aiming harris is the most talented back outside sony michelle then that cream will rise to at the top and maybe he's the guy that does sony sony's on the on the shelf so definitely sleeper upside there for harris mike. Do you want to take the reins. I know you you've been. You're got a bad case of something. I do have a bad case and we're talking. This is a deep sleeper so if the bench is a little bit larger. This is a guy you can look at it at the very end of your draft and p._p. Are this is a little bit more tuned into the p._r. Crowd i'm talking about infected with the bees -als cole beasley who if you follow this show for any amount of time my love for this player has been professed many times go hearkening back into the year when he had ninety eight targets in on that season put up seventy five receptions for eight hundred thirty three yards and five touchdowns and that year was ranked by pro football focus as their number eight wide receiver on the year. I start off with that. <hes> so people understand he's actually a good would wide receiver and if you put him in a position to succeed he can do it flash forward to he signed by the buffalo bills of free agency. He seemed seemed like it was this is left for dead for any kind of fantasy value the way that buffalo has been playing the way that josh allen played where he would just chuck it deep he did. Josh allen never seemed like he was going to or last year. He didn't like those short passes. He wanted to go deep now. He's talking about <hes>. This is a quote from josh allen. We run a similar offense to the patriots because their o._c. In fact spent four years in new england before he went down to alabama going to be the o._c. And then got promoted to be an n._f._l. Offensive coordinator look at what has happened week preseason week two had five receptions two drives with josh allen. Allen is actually growing of course he's growing as a quarterback but that involves taking some of those short throws taking some of those easy plays not always having to go deep there was an emphasis of josh allen taking it easy and and dumping into the slot wide receiver similar to the way that the new england patriots is julian edelman. I'm not expecting julian edelman levels of production but in p p r league with your last pick if you're grabbing a receiver who is catching six to eight receptions every single week but that's that's free money every single best ball league. I've been doing with my eighteenth pick. I'm grabbing your and got the infection. I am in if you if you get in and obviously that's a deep league right. That's your eighteen round not. Everybody's he's going to be doing that. I don't know if kkob easily will be relevant enough to crack into. You know a a starting lineup but it's it's worth noting what's happened in the preseason. They gave him a lot a lot of money for years thirty million dollars they gave more years more guaranteed money to call beasley then they did to john brown. It's an interesting situation because beazley's been in the n._f._l. Going on dislike his eighth season and six catches a week just for context is ninety six catches a season so that would beat his career high about twenty if he if he caught the ball six times a week week p._r. Leagues he's one of those like your team has been beaten up. You need to throw somebody out there and not get a goose egg. Beasley usually seems like the reason they invested in will guarantee some level of production in that often. He's not there yeah there. There are leagues play three wide receivers and affleck's n._p._r. A._p._r. leagues and that flex position. I think cole beasley has a chance to end up in there on a weekly basis. Now these are sleepers preseason in week three could show up and just absolutely rain rain turds on this parade but i think it's very possible that cole beasley is going to be very surprising. Never wanna be church torn. No no you do not attorney storm yeah. Those are that would be unfortunate. Have your umbrella gross. My sleeper picked brave this stone. I will run that will run and i will live. Give me an awning michael gallup. Michael gallup is my first sleeper. Pack is average opposition right. Now is in the twelfth round there. It's the absence of basil's in a way and also the presence of kellen moore. I mean kellyn moore's offense is going to be so much much different than what they were running with scott lenihan and cole beasley warm ocean more downfield throws brooke brooks. You believe it right. Oh it's different offense more bunch formations more downfield throws more innovation more motion and less options in the passing asking game then you know no no more cole beasley with the target accounts that he has yes randall cobb is there but by all accounts michael gallup has been the wide receiver one and throughout camping in the in the preseason games. Amari cooper has been on the shelf. Gallup has taken advantage of the opportunity. This is a former third round pick last year and <hes> <hes> you know storylines around dallas. He's in the top two or three coming out of camp so right. Now you have a team where beasley at sixty five receptions they're gone. There ain't no zeke right now. That's seventy seven and i know tony pollard hype train hype season. Whatever michael gallup has a great opportunity opportunity and if this plantar fasciitis stuff is worse than we think with amari cooper and he misses time to end michael gallup's. It's the one on a dak prescott downfield throwing offense where he can go up and make the right gary interest talk around camp. They're tuned in with the back shoulder shoulder. Throw michael gallup's a big boy. You think about those back shoulder connections that quarterbacks and wide receivers can have down the field. I'm just optimistic that michael co gallup will have standalone value potentially and then all the upside of what if the mari cooper's foot whatever marty cooper mrs week one oh man you're gonna start out. What if he misses what if he plays week one reinjured himself out four weeks with plantar fasciitis. There's a lot of upside to gallup sleaze. He's one of my favorite so yeah. Can't nobody tell me nothing if if amari cooper was you know what i'm saying <hes> all right i liked it. I i actually think that gallup has been really under looked. You you know on this podcast. We haven't really talked about him <hes> but i'm worried a little bit about whatever the foot issue is with the mario cooper and you you know with zeke out there or not out there michael gallup could end up <hes> you know being a horse rely on now. I'm gonna go with mark andrews as my second sleeper pick tight end that i owe so regrettably traded in our dynasty leaked to you andy for john ross way too early like a february trade yeah it was and you know my favorite one that i want. You mean wait. Let me make you a great offer. Oh great a._j. Green is gone or outright. Now sure i will trade you. John ross for marketing. God thought if you had aged green send along from our andrews now we could talk so but i'm i mean mark andrews tied in for the baltimore ravens tight end for the baltimore ravens. It was a rookie last year. He didn't get a lot of pub because they drafted two tight ends and he wasn't the first one they drafted. They drafted hayden hearst a first round draft. Pick mark. Mark andrews was also a pretty high draft. Pick himself and you didn't know who to trust her hayden. I got injured a little bit. Mark andrews really looked great. I i mean he had the same y- yak ability that george kibble had there was so dominant in two thousand eighteen for a rookie season since nineteen ninety. He's behind only o._j. Howard in the highest yards per reception he's got an ability out there that you really desire for fantasy tight ends the ability you to break those long stiff arm guy and take it to the house and if you look at just what he did in his rookie season i mean yeah very impressed. He had the seventh most receiving yards for any rookie tight instance the told him what was his total so his total on this amazing was not the pace five hundred and fifty two. I think he i think he gets eight hundred this year. I look in his rookie season. Once lamar jackson took over that that second half that's the pace you were talking about. He was on pace for seven hundred fifty a game a guy with a big yards per catch at the tight end position. What do you got one big play to two catches twenty eighty five yards each. You're done. I mean eight hundred yards could happen and he's been the the star camp. I'm one hundred. I love arguing with you. I'm not arguing with you here. There's no chance that i disagree with mark andrews. Yeah i mean it costs you nothing. He's your last. He is my safety valve at tight end like i you know i'd love to do the van stance or you know. Get one of the top three guys is maybe griffey's if he's slipping to a to a good value but if i don't get one of those guys i just i go okay. I'll get my interest with my last. Let's pick. I am totally fine with that because he he has something that other titans. They don't even have the option to do. He could be the number one target for his team like that's a very realistic outlook. Here's what you have to stay. Stay out loud for him to be the number. One miles boykin won't be the number for one. He's brown won't be the number one option right. Willie snead won't be the number one option honestly willie sneeze biggest competition. Well i <music>. I it's fair but to your point yeah listen to what we just said willie snead his biggest competition and the fact that he's still the number two tight end on the team because nick embroil is is still around even if he has his usurped hayden hearst. I'm just <hes> i'm with you guys. I like mark andrews a sleeper but you can't pate paint the picture just as all roses here for mark andrews. The there is a there is an outcome or mark. Andrews continues to play forty percents of the snaps but and that's one hundred percent fair and that he's a thirteenth round pick. He's an undrafted guy in a lot of leagues so my mental change has been to go gopher mark mark andrews over trey burton or jordan reed or greg olsen <hes> delaney. I'll draft ahead of mark andrews but the other guys. It's like what do i. I want out of week one or two at that tight position because i'm afraid of i dri- draft trey burton instead of mark andrews then i get two catches for twenty two yards week one okay do why hang onto trey burton for that all the breakout game three for three for forty five in week two whereas andrews it's like is he on the auto not happening. Is it or is this is lamar jackson better passer now more consistent. Does he throw the ball more is he rushing six seven times eight times a game instead instead of a lot of variables excite me about in right cells. There go rosier not thirteen round picks. Don't burn you if you get them wrong. Sure all all right mike. You're up all right the guy wanna talk about running back for the los angeles chargers justin jackson. We just talked about earlier on the show. They expect melvin gordon jackson. Ooh yes action justin jackson yeah they expect melvin gordon to be holding out he could hold out for eight games and we have seen that we have seen that shift in austin equi equi rightly so his a._d._p. Has been on absolute rocketship. He's up. Ah fifth round six round. Justin jackson has seen a rise in his a._d._p. But he's still chewing at the back of the ten th round we already know who louis ins when he had the opportunity or when we're melvin born got hurt and then he was getting some snaps because it was the guy ecker also got hurt. They went full workhorse role with justin jackson sixteen for fifty eight with a touchdown three for twenty seven through the air may not outrageously great numbers but he played seventy five percents of the snaps against kansas city. They already trust him in that role. Should it arise e._s._p._n. Report aired williams is talking about in practice this. It's a fifty fifty timeshare now. It hasn't been that in the preseason the snazzy it'll be close to that in the in the regular. She's completely mambo right. That's in that's that's what aaron williams is fully convinced that will be close to that. The preseason snaps have been heavily in austin echoes favor but what if it's closer to fifty fifty dan you just spent a back of the tenth early eleventh round pick on a running back for the chargers that's incredible value does and and when you draft justin jackson in the eleventh melvin gordon signs right before week one no harm no foul move on go grab another sleeper off the waiver wire but what what justin jackson could be in those first eight weeks is is an incredible steal in draft and i i would say that strategy holds for tony police as well and there's there's no harm no foul you. Your tenth round picks more often than not. They're they're. They're they're going to bust like corn sutton. He's in the tenth round. He could be great. He's coming into your to he's got but he also just irrelevant. Joe flacco is number two. Everybody everybody you're taking in those rounds. It has normally risk so the upside for the beginning of the season to have tony pollard or running running running back depth arguments that yes trick show where running back depth as dumb until it's not if you have that guy on your bench thirty thirty three percent of the first round has has been injured over the last four years. Maybe more there are opportunities out there might as well pile up on your roster now i haven't i'm close out our sleepers. I feel like i've been office mosquito with this guy. Just just pestering people's ears for for the last couple of weeks he's been written in here and the news lately has been very positive it. It has but i will warn you before i get into it. The player's name is darwin thomson running back kansas city chiefs. I'm worried about the average drop position of dormant thomson. I'm worried about what you might have to pay to believe what i'm saying but right now eighty p._f. Pinot eight cool there darwin thomson provides hides incredible upside in my opinion on the best offense in football yesterday. The news came out that he has leapfrog carlos hyde in the depth chart a sixth round rookie people want to say well. There's not a lot of draft pedigree. You're not wrong but the sample size of what scouts got from darwin thompson to go john to draft this player. It was minimal. He played one year division one. He averaged six point eight eight kerry but he did it in the mountain west marine so they've got to see ah him flexing on instagram and a year in the mountain west and he fits the system. Any is passed every test that i've watched every snap a preseason season of darwin thomson. I've watched a lot of camp film darwin thompson picking up the blitz. Here's some quotes from the team just to give you the context you can buy into the hype or not andy reid. He's able to see the blitz which is a big thing for young guys good vision in the run game pretty good understanding in the past game really focus no nonsense. He made a play in preseason the season where he ran this this row. I don't be saw the open-field catch twenty yards down the field. Yes i'm trying to think of players that i know that can do that and it was <hes> darren sproles and tree cohen came to mind. I mean he's a smaller guy at five eight but he's two hundred pounds. He's 'bout twelve pounds underwear where damien williams is and this offense is so opened up this offensive offensive system with pam homes and how accountable you have to be on the back in the secondary affords. I think the reasons damien williams was great last year all of those chiefs yeah. All those reasons sure. It's i mean if day if dr thompson gets an opportunity to be a significant -nificant piece of the offense which i now believe is a real possibility you get him in the tenth round. The eleventh round in a lot of home leagues the last round on the last pick. Nobody knows the name. Nobody knows who he is six round pick. I just really am excited about it because i think he's the most purely talented player on that team. He does not have the experience of damian williams. He will not supplant damian williams in his entirety. I don't think there's any situation where a healthy damian williams is cast aside for some kind of workload workload for five eight. Two hundred pound back is not going to happen but it's in the same category of tony pollard justin jackson late round guys attach them to an offense <hes> they're running backs. Coach comes out. He says look he's strong. He packs a punch. He can protect he can run round. He can run the ball. I'm happy with what we have and then to go and place them mm above veteran like carlos hyde. I optimistic for the future of darwin thompson i am. I want him in my leaks. That's the the leap robbing leapfrogging frogging of carlos hyde. That's the big deal to me because like andy reid is a leap throbbing situation. No my i said how robbing was my club. Okay andy reid is he is true to his depth chart. I mean you you saw this cream hunts when they drafted him. In the third round they moved up to get kareem hunt. They work razi excited about him but kareem hunt became the starter because spencer went out to a season ending injury you the same thing happened. Last year was kareem. Hunt is off the team. They go to the carcass use of spencer ware and then he gets hurt and that's all damian williams was able to come in and he shined in that system carlos. I'd never made sense to me on this. Kansas city team the dude. We have just a huge sample of who carlos i it is. It's a fine running back. He was used great earlier earlier on in his career but he was. He's never been a good pass catcher. Yes he had the year where he was with kyle shanahan and he told a lot of receptions but he was very inefficient doing doing it another running back like if that was darwin thompson with those receptions the results would have been a lot better for your tide is the running back equivalent of his former not me michael crabtree sure hanging onto with with nails and fingertips to the remaining moments of his career and the whispers. There's that i mean they started a couple of weeks ago. That carlos hyde may not actually make this roster that was that was a bit jarring at the time because darwin when thompson is a six round running back it was it's a long path seeming was a long path for him to have some relevance but that that path has been he hit the shortcut and he does he went right around carlos hyde so i'm i am very on board. Even though i love damien williams i'm very on board with grabbing darwin and thompson late in your draft. <hes> there are some news this morning. The redskins turned down a trade with the patriots treats for the first round pick offered for trent williams that stinks that breaks my heart throbs for trent williams frauds and i want him as an arizona cardinals fan and once somebody that wants to protect the life of kyla murray i would love to get a left tackle and is concerned learned with his well being not so much the success of your hometown doubt here's the thing would they turn down a first round pick from cardinals because the patriots first round a big is not quite the same as the cardinals first round pick <hes> no they wouldn't they wouldn't turn them down but then the cardinals have to go pay him right jauregui big money. He should be paid big. Money's one of the best left tackles in the league yeah i their response was that it wasn't enough i it i'd be curious if the cardinals commanded man did that that would be a a welcome sight for david johnson troopers out there so before we close out i want to jump into a couple coupla bad questions mail bag all right mason guns no you if you didn't see see it if you didn't see it on youtube which you can you dot com slash the fancy footballers. Mike was doing the winded the sound effect for for a gun turning to block a block. Oh i don't know but it was a great moment in history. Those were guns but they were like jazz. Guns brought them out like in a little more j. b. Hey jack black style. Okay mason in charleston road any says i'm completely new to fantasy this year. Welcome to the show he wants to know should should the bench me filled with only only running backs and wide receivers at the draft yup pretty much. Yes i mean when you draft two quarterbacks in two tight ends. Usually your wasting a spot fought <hes> especially with tight. It's i can't imagine a situation where i would think i really wanna. Take two shots at you. Know two shots at crappy tight ends ends or i've got. I've got a great tight end but you know what. I want another crappy when like i i can't imagine that situation there are situations any certain leagues where taking a second quarterback would make sense if you're in a fourteen team sixteen team whereas the depth that quarterback is gonna go down and you can't you can't get the full stream of the waiver wire where there's four to five options every single week then yeah i'm fine having two quarterbacks and streaming between those two guys and know your league because you you could be in a twelve all team league wherever on drafts to quarterback some buddy takes three quarterbacks and whatever or if you draft andrew luck because he's dropping late and then you want to you know i've talked about that stacking andrew luck in josh allen together there are reasons but for the most part almost every time i ever draft one quarterback wanted dylan in maryland and does it concern you at all that it's been pretty silent hype train wise for josh jacobs even hard knocks heads zero screen time forum and nope. They normally tried to exaggerate exaggerate players flashing and camp. Nope h. if you're h._b._o. Would you rather spend time on on that on on their safety and antonio brown who are absolute characters and and great television or josh jacobs sue even though is the first one running back the maybe he's boring for the screen. They're producing an entertainment show so no i've just jacobs's great tommy in chicago full p._r. Would you be alright going juju connor at the turn connor combo i would. I would be okay nightmare for me. Your players that i'm below. Oh eighty peon put them both on my team on a team that i i'm below. I don't believe in as much because i believe the ravens in the browns will be better in that division and now give them both to me is funny because obviously you part of the narrative when we've talked about the steelers and i've been pro steelers. You've been <hes> the beginning of the end for the steelers. Yes <hes> you is the clear and obvious reality that look you lost antonio brown and you lost love belt like these hurt and then i was talking to mike did and it was like like watching hard knocks it see. What did they really like. Could this be a positive situation for the steelers to have lost those two. The personalties allergies head cases. I mean obviously you lose a lot on the field but like maybe it was just a good move from a good organization and say i'm willing to move on antonio. I just think it's going to be interesting to watch juju develop because this is not as simple as people want to make it. He ran fifty nine percent of his snaps out of the slot last year. He's trying to move to the outside and and be the guy on the outside general. I mean we saw this with adam. Feeling towards the very end of the year lower amount of snaps from the slot over the back half lower target's share lower opportunity in the offense jews a super talented player. I just think he's one of the guys that fits the very. There's variables in play that aren't there for some of the brash long. The players doesn't mean that i mean if you want to choose them over o o b j like i'm not gonna like go ahead. L._b._j.'s got his own variables jujubes got him but he's not in that category three to me of of <hes> davante adams de'andre hopkins julio jones so it'll be interesting but please don't put these guys on my team but if you want to take them both i know these guys will be thumbs up all the way we want to thank today. Studios sponsored pristine auction yesterday and eric lebron's signed cultures. He went for forty nine dollars. The go-to pristine auction dot com register a free account use the code dollars. Let them know we sent you. You'll get five dollars towards any sports memorabilia purchase. We do live shows throughout the summer. We got one on saturday and we always three or four. People are always bring in some of their pristine swag such incredible deals just register use the code ballers ballers when you sign up and a final reminder i mean this is go time saturdays the biggest draft day of the year. Our league of record draft is on sunday. We will have some footage of of that draft to bring you need elian and this is the time to get into the ultimate draft so you are prepared for that draft. Have the app be able to mark players off see z. A. every little bit counts pro tip protein bringing up. Mike and i just participated in the n._f._l. League one celebrity draft it was awesome because as we had an ipad we had the app on the ipad and hoo-ha it was incredible to be able to use that see all the tears mark heartthrob heartthrob moment so if so i'm just telling you if you know a lot of people out there you've already got the app. You've already got everything and you have an ipad but you haven't put two and two together. Download it on on the ipad and use it to help you and your draft. It was great and that's ultimate draft dot com. You can get in there. It's instant access ultimate drafted dot com. That'll differ today's show we got value show coming up tomorrow so very excited to talk about some of the best values in fantasy football. Stay stay with us and enjoy the games tonight. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy. Footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on twitter at the f. ballers all right. This episode was brought to you by head and shoulders in walmart. No matter where you fall on the offense defense debate hence shoulders will give you a one hundred percent flake free scalp. I still say it's offense offense mike. We've been over this sandy. It's it's defense by the way. Did you know that they <hes> insured troy palamos hair for a million dollars in two thousand ten. It's probably not enough that is some some impressive hair checkout head and shoulders at walmart dot com or look for it at your local walmart store.

football damian harris darwin thompson damien williams Mike andy andy mark andrews andy reid damian williams sony Michael gallup Crabtree crabtree tony pollard vance mcdonald justin jackson patriots michelle cardinals melvin gordon
Breakout Picks + Player Questions, SOS

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

54:37 min | 1 year ago

Breakout Picks + Player Questions, SOS

"Take your game day treats to the next level with the new. Eminem's hazelnut spread chocolate candies hazelnut spread is covered in smooth eminem's milk chocolate delivering being a mouth-watering blend of chocolate and hazelnut in every bite size pieces. Enjoy them on their own or use them to spruce up your favorite desserts. Go hazel nutty and try the new im- and hazelnut spread chocolate candies today <music> welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you you from pristina option dot com studios with your hose. Andy hall away jason moore and mike right. Come in welcome to the show. It's tuesday august twentieth another great podcasts coming your way. We have breakouts. Ooh ooh. We're not talking any old ordinary. I mean we've got our ultimate draft care and it's awesome now. We're talking me breakouts. It's in the ultimate draft kit well. You should just define the draft kit leases at least two-thirds usually all three of us have to sign off on that player before they get into the ultimate draft. Kit breakouts on the show is where we're allowed to let that personal bias seep out yeah. We're doing our own breakout picks on the show. Today are some of our favorite guys so we got got some breakouts n._f._l. Season coming quick got got a good quick question. We're excited. I mentioned it the ultimate draft kid. If you need help on draft day. We've got an app this year in check it all out and ultimate draft kit dot com reminder of every u._k. Sold goes directly to saint jude children's research hospital. All the proceeds from this saturday's live show and phoenix going straight to saint jude. You'd children's research hospital as well been great partners this year and we know look we know the time of the year you are consuming all fantasy football content content that you can if you've never been in the ultimate draft kid. This thing is jam-packed. Burst is there. I've been there. Can you hook it up. You might need one after you're here. Don't going through all the information. I'm telling you you log into this thing and it's it's a research tool. This isn't just a saying. Well pick this this guy. That's how you win. You want you know how to win your pick that guy we were. We're letting you research trying to figure some things out for yourself as well absolutely you can follow us on twitter at the f. f. have ballers the fantasy football dot com's website. Here's the quick question it comes in from corey in hawaii jor corey really so non continental you throw in the non continent behind that they're far enough away. Bonjour mine didn't even think twice no. I don't have to look when whenever whatever is your passport mike. You don't have your passport to go to hawaii. Whenever i see the commercials letting me know that good deals are happening. They're like sorry alaska and hawaii. Oh so so you wanna you wanna give them that foreign flair. That's right okay <hes> you you also you can get the ultimate draft kit for the real price. It's not raised okay. How much do you guys factor in strength of schedule in your fantasy football rankings. Does it play a big role when it comes to fantasy success. What what say you. I do not <hes> it's something i've learned over the last few years to utilize less and less. I tried to get more accurate more the predictive strength of schedules and do look at that when i go into every team but over the last several years i mean if you're just picking and choosing you can be like oh look look this team did really well and they had a great early season strength of schedule but then you're just picking and choosing because what about the teams that great and had a terrible strength of schedule every year sure that's one of those data points that are wrong so when it comes to the schedule personally. I don't put too much weight on it. Obviously you know from before the scheduled comes. Is that what divisions are playing against. You can tell if it's a little bit easier a little bit more difficult but i don't factor it. Increases where i do. Factor schedule is week one defensive pickups. That's like you know i look at the early season schedule and think house team going to get off to a an easy start a difficult start like i've mentioned. I'm not drafting the jaguars defense great defense. They play kansas city week. One not like i don't wanna play them. You're not taking that chance. I don't want to roster to defenses vince is to start so the ravens who at miami the eagles against the redskins seahawks home against the bengals cowboys home against the giants. Those are like i look at week one to make that determination. I factor them immensely. When you talk about n season rankings preseason draft rankings. I don't because of the fact that many times the players that i draft or not. That's not the team. I finished the year with either so i'm trying to overemphasize the season schedule schedule number one. I have to make assumptions about the fact that every defense is going to be the same thing that i think they're going to be which is never the case number two. I'm going to keep those guys throughout the season and so that i can utilize them in this dynamic amazing playoff schedule so no when we do in season projections that's what defines your week to week projection as you start to see more and more more about what these defenses can do that affects the way your your week-to-week rankings at the running back wide receiver position. Obviously that plays a big role all. I still look at early season though in the in the u._k. We breakdown full season in early. Season is included in that and guys like <hes> mark ingram. He's not really a running back that i've been super interested in this off season. I feel okay taking him but they have a great scheduled to open things up so maybe when i'm in those rounds where i'm looking at guys like mark ingram. I'm gonna use that as a tiebreaker to know that ingram should should get off to a pretty nice start so you play against miami right cardinals yet kansas city chiefs yeah so i do look at the early ones. It's people want after fantasy playoff rankings strength of schedule right now that part is going to be so different and and and to your point. I don't mind you looking at them. I think that's why we break break it down like that in the u._k. We talked about streaming quarterbacks on the ranking show all the time. You don't wanna same same logic behind the defense. You don't wanna go grab a quarterback this terrible perceive match tips but even you looking at even what you believe about ingram schedule could be wrong. She defensive turnover in the expectation so i we saw that last year certain games you expected amazing top of the season and it didn't happen for some players so <hes> years got those those first six weeks of the n._f._l. You're starting to learn about what defenses are what yeah other people asking. What's the is there anything anytime of the year where it's harder to rank week to setting projections for players is extremely difficult. You might think well week one. No it's week two when you have that week one data which is nothing nothing sample size and it starts infecting your brain okay well. I'm just going to draw a conclusion that this team washed based off of the of the opening schedule the asoka point. That's a good point. We're gonna get right into it today. No news segment on the show. We don't wanna give a shout route two sleeper check out the sleeper apples. Get into the breakouts breakouts. What's all right. We gotta bring a couple of names each to the table people here today players that were excited about players that <hes> there's a wide range of conviction when it comes to a breakout right everybody throws this word around all the time and you kind of have the you know the way twitter is with social media and it's hard to fly under the radar and be a break with the coverage that fantasy gets now yes so i think it's more important than to kind of qualify breakouts more by our percentage of of certainty. How strong do we believe in it because let's let's face it. There are a lot of players that could break out. Maybe they got a ten percent chance sir twenty percent chance but you know how sure are you. When you talk about your guys talk about how positive you are that these players are going to have dat breakout season and and it's not all breakouts are not created equal a guy that that we like you say he's going to break out but that just means now he's going from absolute nothingness where you've never heard of this player's name to now know there are a wide receiver three. They're not burning down the house with fantasy points but they are usable reasonable on a week to week basis. That's how i look at. A breakout is someone who had no value and now almost weekly that this person has value. I thing it's fair and i think a lot of the times. It also represents a tear. Jump you know does the shore does a player move into a tier that we'll be talking about them completely different in twenty twenty yeah yeah and i'm i'll kick us off here because i am pretty darn confident and bullish on this player. I think the breakout is as likely as it was for me. I and my acne in highschool. We're talking to complete breakout. Oh welcome you're welcome. Everybody were you. Were you full face full face back. Sorry my former colleagues friends family <hes> present company exactly we pulled through we pulled through we got for you super handsome now for those. Just you look early offseason. I toss about lee. Thanks guys. I talked about kris godwin a lot in the early off season because i really really believe in both the talent and the situation relation when you bring those things together. I think you tear up. I think you become a very <hes> reliable player but we haven't really brought his name up that much in the last last month or so <hes> obviously relief that to everybody else right i was gonna say around the community plenty of buzz around chris godwin but he's someone that i personally believe is a is a great wide receiver coming out of college mount harm and said he was basically the best contestant catch player he had ever tracked in the union this cermac harman's receptor process. It says he's the easiest breakout to spot from a distance he literally on every single route. He is above the n._f._l. Average by a wide margin with the exception of one route he's a tactician. He's got a great ability to grab the contested catches and if you look at he's entering his year three right last year he became relevant. He was the wide receiver twenty-five atop in wide receiver three and that was wall. You had adam humphreys and sean jackson taking a bunch of targets away now. Those two guys are gone. He's going to go way up and targets and you have the addition of bruce arians installing his offense where we know from a large sample of history that the slot the guy for bruce arians is great. Obviously it was great for larry. Fitzgerald larry fitzgerald had a five year stretch with him where he was averaging one hundred and thirty seven targets ninety two receptions agents a thousand yards and seven touchdowns. That's great but it wasn't just there and it was you know first ballot hall of famer fitzgerald where he was the one look back back to when he was with the steelers and bruce arians had hines ward who was dominating in that area same same kind of numbers one hundred and thirty target pace from from two thousand eight two thousand nine eight receptions eleven hundred yards six and a half touchdowns and that was on a team where he named another hall of famer as your example for uncalled famer. I don't believe hines. Ward is a hall of famer. He's not already in is he. I thought hines ward on his way well. I certainly did not named another first battle hall of famer and who's to say chris goblin is not a future hall of famer andy. Maybe maybe that's last year. Hines ward missed the hall of fame cut for three restraint years so there you go <hes> the but he was the one but was chris. God when in batman hines orders in batman i did not i did not do that so might have derailed but but back then you still had san antonio homes. Who was you know in two thousand nine. Had more targets 'cause a lot of you know. It's like well. You got mike evans you still had <hes> heath miller with one hundred targets and the slot role was valuable valuable so i think it's the combination you've got the talent of chris godwin whose excellent the camp buzz has been electric every highlight from him in camp and in preseason preseason has been dominant. You've got the role. You've got the vacated targets. I it's just kind of this this whole picture where i think he's going to become a a very relevant weekly player and i think that the tampa bay buccaneers are going to be seen similar to how he's view the minnesota vikings. You got feeling you. You got digs. You got kyle rudolph and they're not a pass first team but this is a pass first team. That's got basically you know. You've got evans and godwin and o._j. Howard and i think all three are going to be very fantasy. Relevant players here james <hes> four james. Yes say thanks joe four snaps. I i nance where jameis winston was playing twenty two snaps. This is from adam. Levitin chris godwin has been on the field for twenty two and he's been in the slot for eight of them. Yeah they're they're. He's he's a full time player which we already knew that but they are moving them around and they're putting slot yeah i think i think the only difference between some of the examples that you gave is sir player with a history of success in the n._f._l. From a fantasy perspective career perspective. I think godwin can do it. I think you saw the ups and downs of being jameis winston last year sure i mean he i if you look at the consistency chart for godwin as a twenty two year old <hes> you know you you might not wanna look too much because he had some rough weeks. But of course i think he's gonna he was a french kind of a player that you were willing to put in the lineup last year. Everybody's been on <hes> bandwagon this offseason so then it's just an a._d._p. Situation from a fantasy owner perspective but that doesn't preclude him from breaking out even if he's too expensive right now yeah i mean i i just think his floor is is very high now and so where he's at and eighty p. I'm fine taking him there because i think he's going to be able you. Are you're taking him at his current. Yes average f is one hundred percent all right <hes> four zero eight right now so you have to choose between robert woods and christova in in every draft that you're in we've known each year 'cause. I never choose between robert woods than anybody else. Godwin or golladay godwin godwin are locked another friend of yours lock. It was almost my breaking breakout but i feel like he's already broke out. I love lock it. He really does not. I really do i'm. I'm rising very strange. What has happened here. I'm i'm telling you guys lock kazan for a huge season this year breakout to point b. to point b. Okay mike. Why don't you take the reins all right. Don't wanna jump in. We've talked talked about him a little bit more and more over these past weeks. I really think he's going to break out and that is wide receiver from the jacksonville. Jaguars dede westbrook. <hes> look nick foles. He is now the quarterback for the jaguars and nick foles has targeted players lined up in the slot at the sixth highest rate over the last last two seasons blake bortles not so much the the slot is not his favorite wide receiver last year and five stars. Nick foles completed over seventy two percent percent of his passes. He was fantastic. Blake bortles was at his career-best at sixty point three d. Westbrook's still managed to be a wide receiver thirty three in half point. He one hundred one targets. There's only twenty eight players last year that saw one hundred or more targets and you wanna talk about vacated targets jacksonville the third most over fifty percent moncrieff is eighty nine targets are gone t- elden and his seventy eight targets they are gone jacksonville did not make a big splash edition. You've got chris conley. He's fine player but but that's not the the raiders going out and saying we have a problem we're bringing in antonio brown and they added in pass-happy coordinator di filippo as their o._c. He had great red zone. Usage has his red zone. Target percentage is is just is in line was to fund digs so here's what i see. Here's the three bullet three pronged approach for dede westbrook. There's bullets bullets. There's prongs this all sorts of things in threes to support this argument now that i'm looking at it. Maybe it's four but me whatever it's three look there will be. There's a natural rise of targets for the third year player. Because of the vacated targets he will get increase in usage just from the natural tendency of his as quarterback he will see an increase of catchable targets just because better quarterback play and then there's the possibility of targets going up because they brought in in a pass happy. Oh see there are for a lot of breakout players. You're looking at one or two. Stabilizing forces like these are the two reasons on buying into this this player d. westbrook for me has has so many things in his favor. Who do you more confidence in to get the ball to their slot receiver. Jameis winston or nick foles honestly <hes> nichols nick foles yeah. It's a both players. I mean there is compelling arguments for both players because they're very similar last exterior last year total fantasy points. They were almost the exact same chris godwin and eighty westbrook. People don't realize that there is a four round difference right now in godwin win and i i think it comes a little bit with the high flying yes ceiling we've seen from winston and then aeriens and tampa bay will have a better often right overall. I'm i'm not saying that but right now in the eighth round whereas maybe not anymore but whatever but yeah and this is not i'm calling for dini to break out to be the top twelve guy but i think dede westbrook can easily find himself into the top twenty four if if he's getting the same <hes> target market share or the increase market share because nick foles is there dede westbrook is going to be an excellent p._r. Guy all right my breakout. It's actually our breakout. I think we threw him into the u._k. Decay over the last month miles sanders running back for the philadelphia eagles. I'm in love with the draft price in love with the player when we went through all of these different <hes> dynasty rookie drafts over the last three or four months ago. He was that tough decision. Okay jacobs's jacobs was going ahead of these guys and then you go david montgomery who has <unk> a great opportunity there in scotto or do you go with miles sanders and it didn't feel great going with miles sanders in the beginning banged up injured jordan jordan howard's there they bring back sproles they bring back you know they have this plethora of of running backs but now you know you look at the draft costs between mile centers centers and david montgomery. You look at what you think. The offense is going to be yes we can. We can be big nagy fans in chicago. Their offense wasn't that good right. It wasn't it wasn't upper-echelon. Ashland offense compared to what philadelphia has shown and is capable of being so i think the offense is better in philly so the question then is hey will sanders be given enough. Work worked to justify drafting him playing him. Z. started rb to since chip kelly jetson lucia mccoy after the two thousand fourteen season the eagles back to chip yeah the eagles have had a different leading rusher every single season since demarco murray ryan mathews lou garrick blunt josh out all well ryan mathews but i miss you i know but mile sanders is the highest draft capital pick. The eagles have had since leshan mccoy. This is a second round. Pick with a three down skill set so you look at a few things in the preseason. I say don't look at stallions right. You look at what the player does and to me checking every box. Here's here's box one jason. You said <hes> step one on any <hes> yesterday on the show number. One thing that can happen to a running back in the preseason is not not play yes. That's assuming you're at the top of the next. Best case is to get the first snap well. Mile sanders got the first naps ahead of jordan howard in preseason week to did a lot lot with him he also if you watch. The film showed that he could pick up the blitz. He had a couple of great blitz. Pick up something that they're concerned about to get him on the field to be the three down type of guy great vision great ability to change direction in the open field more explosive than any other back that they have on the roster. Is this guy ran a four four nine. Have you watched the combine video of hammond saquon. He's got saquon beat for the first third of that forty times. What about the two-thirds yeah that was saquon four four nine okay so you're not talking about a huge gap you you could have gone with the fact that that miles sanders had more rushing russia yards before entering the draft then in his barkley at the same exact position. This is just a really really good player well and and really really good rookie running backs do do things in fantasies say round pick in the n._f._l. Dry you know the last seven years on average is about two and a quarter of the two and a quarter out of the top twelve running backs. It's our rookies every single year at the running back position. Mile sanders has the perfect shot to take a perfect guy to take the shot on because he doesn't cost you much and he's in the situation and where he could absolutely emerge. I really liked the pick of miles sanders and you think about the player he players these around actor cohen miller. You're talking about a different ceiling right alexander's before we get to our next set of players one today sponsor n._f._l. Game pass only only with the n._f._l. Game pass you get every out of market preseason game live. Can the browns show early signs of being a playoff contender. Do the cowboys have have all the pieces in place. Go watch sanders. Pick up a blitz to make a run in the n._f._c. Watch miles sanders pick up a blitz i will we are in the n._f._l. Game pass every single day right now. We're going into preseason. We're using that condensed. <hes> the condensed version of the gates. That's incredible you take in an entire football game in about thirty to forty five or thirty to forty five minutes. You can watch whatever you need to watch right now being able to push the left arrow key and just watch play over and over and over so great. It's the game any pass. It's a great product. It's and it's awesome being able to watch every single preseason game. Make sure to see all the action this preseason with n._f._l. Game pass you can kick off the two thousand nine hundred n._f._l. Season or the seventy free trial when you sign up now at n._f._l. Dot com slash fantasy footballers that's n._f._l. Dot com slash. That's fantasy football is makes you get in on it before preseason week three as opponents and we want to thank eighty t a proud sponsor of the fantasy footballers real protection and from a._d._t. Is personalized smart home security with a system that fits your unique needs. They are the latest in innovation and smart home security from a._d._t. Everything from h._d. Video doorbells high def indoor and outdoor cameras smart locks and lights. Even the smart thermostats all controlled by a._d._t. App or the sound of your voice but real protection doesn't stop there you can take a._d._t. Peace of mind with you on the go with eighty go app that features location nations sharing safe driving reports and emergency s._o._s. button real protection is a team of professionals who helps safeguard your home with rapid connection to first first responders twenty four seven. That's how a._t. The nation's number one smart home security provider helps. Keep your home and your family safe wherever you go real protection a._d._t. To learn more visit a._t._t. Dot com slash podcast r._i._a. We've got another breakout. Each of us has another breakout for you. <hes> who who's gonna jason jason j. up look this guy is it's a little dicey right and in by its i mean hamstrings. Hamstrings are a little dicey here but i am willing to still say that. I believe that there will be a breakout from aaron jones. If i have to put my money on whether or not he's going to <hes> have a great season and be a valuable fantasy asset or whether he's going to flame out being a timeshare that doesn't work and not get the job and disappoint people his a._d._p. I'm definitely taking the aaron jones side when i'm on the clock at his a._d._p. It is very difficult to pass a guy who could be a top five five top ten fantasy back. This is where if he does break out. It's not just <hes> oh you get to you get to play him every now and then you get to have him be a regular. You know contributor to your fantasy team. This is a guy who could help when you a title aaron jones running back for the green bay packers you could argue. He already broke broke out right because if you look at last year a little bit he got he got like a an arm and a leg through right. I'm picturing park. Yes the velociraptor coming out out of the egg exactly exactly what i meant. Thank you guys. It's kind of a velociraptor on the field colleagues obsessed so he missed the first couple of weeks last year. This is is a little history lesson here miss first couple weeks and then he got in a about week three but he didn't really take the starting job over until week seven from that point. Thanks mike mccarthy. Yeah i know is ridiculous but from that point forward from week seven until he was out the end of the year which is seven games. He was the runningback tin he was. He was an rb he won during that stretch and that was for the team with the fewest carries in the national football league the green bay packers with the absolute lowest total in their he's story of their storied franchise at running the ball. He is an unbelievably effective efficient talented running back. He the average five point five yards per carry last year which is probably unsustainable despite the fact that his rookie year he also averaged five point five yards a carry. He's great in the passing amen. That's something they want to get him more involved with so we've seen on the field already aaron jones electric. He's great. He's been a top ten running back for a stretch of seven weeks but now you enter and matlock floor the new head coach coming over from tennessee the last two years he's been in charge of two different offenses. Both offenses were top ten in rushing attempts top ten and rushing yards and so now it's like if you just take i went back and i looked at every single box score. <hes> the whole year. The erin jones was in there whether he was star whether he wasn't and i looked at how did that breakdown on the carries. Were they giving him the ball where they're giving. It's williams was aaron rodgers rushing the ball. If if he got the exact same rate that everybody was upset with last year and you you tell them you tell me that they're going to finish as the sixteenth most rushing attempts you just take the number from last year that would be two hundred and twenty four carries that would end up going specifically to aaron jones. He isn't alvin kamara type of player in in two hundred twenty four carries no but my point is that would just be his all his workload last year that percentage of market share in that backfield if they weren't dead last in the n._f._l. And rushing attempts and they were just sixteenth in the n._f._l. I'm saying that that would that would be two hundred and twenty five rushing attempts and if you gave him that kinda the volume he he would be a breakout. The alvin kamera's never had two hundred rushing attempts and he's that type of a player plus. A lot of the story from preseason. Training training camp was wanting to get him involved in the passing game <hes> we we talked about it a lot and fantasy a pass. A target is worth a whole lot more than a rushing attempt so you've got the talent. You've got the quarterback. You've got the team. You've gotta head coach coming in that wants to run the ball more if his hamstring's were fine. I think you'd you'd be seeing him at like two three turn in fantasy why i think the question mark is it's not necessarily an asset to repeat the fact that they were dead less than rushing because aaron rodgers is team this. This is what i mean. Aaron jones has written on my board as one of my guys for about four months on the on the board. I got a little hesitant now. It's a strong counterpoint to say hey when matt laforest been involved in offense they generally are in that upper echelon of of rushing attempts but you still have to hope that the team gets. There's not like imbuing you know the seahawks and there what they've already proven to go do it. There's henry was only two hundred fifteen attempts last year it is he's been there. He was on the tennessee. He tightens the the o._c. For for two years and they were split backfield's the entire time my confidence is lower on jones in it. Was i love the talent it but if if push comes to shove i know for a fact aaron. Rodgers will throw the football. That's that's why he will take over the team and so that gave me a little bit of pause is about declaring a break-up but i want to have fun with this. Let's go back through the first guys. I want to get a percentage chance of that percents chance to give you a season that fantasy owners will look at it and say that was a breakout season and then i'll let you do over there and jones to but godwin what percentage chance do you think that fancy owners will look back. After the year and say chris godden was a break. I'm gonna say a sixty six percent chance okay two-thirds mike you you brought up the name dede westbrook. What percentage chance do you attribute. I was going to say sixty sixty five <hes> much different much different. I'm more confident than you. Mike <hes> my one miles is less expensive wrong. I'm about seventy five percent with miles sanders. I thought that was gonna end up low because i thought you guys were more confident in your picks but whatever i'm john i'm just leaving margin for error my man that's and nets aaron jones. Jason based on what you're saying and we've all seen the talent. What is your confidence level and aaron jones having a breakout season it is it is more than fifty percent. It is less than sixty percent. I would go ahead and say that's proper brooks. How're are you doing excellent okay. That was a proper. He gave me the time to find the button. Does he think this show like the josh down thing out there and then i'm scrambling. I just i want you to learn. I do what i can okay all right so anything you wanna add aaron jones i. I know that we both shed a little bit of doubt on there. Are you have well the only thing i would add as a counterpoint to your argument about you know them them not running the ball. They've green bay with aaron. Rodgers always been <hes> find it running the ball last year. Was this weird apparition where they just decided. We're not going to run the ball. We're gonna throw it all all the time. There were gains last year where i was. I was tracking this data. Let me see if i can find it real quick where i think they had like eleven or thirteen carries whole game like did just data that freaks me out but that was that was different regime if that's a in the realm of possibilities for it just it gives you less confidence in consistency. Maybe the breakout games of there wouldn't that make you never going to happen. In seattle mccarthy were the coach and then you could bring that up this unconcerned about the time at which something like that happens yet thirteen carries a game. Those are so incredibly rare for an n._f._l. Franchise that a guy coming in who's been top ten in russia the last two years. I can't fathom going yeah. We're going to do the same thing all right mike. Who's your next breakout. All right hit me your percentage. I will give you my percentage image. You look whatever we'll start with the percentage. That's eighty five percents who because i'm taking vance mcdonald how oh it's happening people. We are going to be doing the vance dance a._d._p. Dard this thing is happening. You you struggle with this. I did in the studio. You're you're just like eventually wrote. The name down because the average opposition has it's been. It's been bothering you. Yes it's been troubling. It's made you not want to lean in not get behind it all the way even knowing the deep parts of your soul. It doesn't matter this is happening. Vance mcdonald is finally breaking out the pittsburgh steelers. I have lost over thirty five percent of their targets between antonio brown and the largest competition just positionally speaking tight end jesse james james. He is no longer there. Yes people we wanna point out. The pittsburgh. Steelers probably have some regression coming to their passing attempts. Ben is not gonna throw the ball all six hundred seventy five times. I agree in two thousand seventeen big. Ben was on pace for five hundred and ninety eight attempts the year before that five eighty two the year before that six six twenty five. They're still gonna throw the ball a ton. Even if it's not at six hundred seventy five times pittsburgh has been incredibly patient more patient than i. I could imagine with vance mcdonagh when they traded for him. His contract was bloated. That's why san francisco wanted to get rid of. Them is injury history but they have sat and they have waited. We have seen we have already seen vance mcdonald takeover game for the pittsburgh steelers in the highest possible time a playoff game against jacksonville two years ago sixteen targets ten receptions one hundred twelve yards seat and it's just one game. I get it but my point is. We've seen him takeover a game heath miller when when big ben actually had a pass catching tight end it was heath miller. This was a while ago he regularly saw oh excellent target shares including jason funding of the year you brought up when all three of them had over one hundred targets antonio brown mike wallace and heath miller. You realize jesse jesse. James started last year with the week one. He was the number eight tied in week. Two is the number to tighten. Yes look because big. Ben utilizes the tight end position and now that position belongs to vance mcdonald over the last two years. Only travis kelsey has more broken tackles at the position travis. Kelsey is a fulltime tight end vance mcdonald. Donald has not been over the last two years. Only george cadle has a better yards after catch last year twelve most receptions at the tight end eleventh most yards <music> at tight end position. He was the tight end ten in half point p p r scoring as a part time player. What do i mean andy by a part time player. He averaged fifty five percent of the snap. It didn't look like not enough right. Taiba tied in ten with fifty five by percents of the snaps. He's not playing no fifty five percent of pittsburgh snaps at the position this year. Can you stay healthy. I maybe whatever i heard that's the fifteen percent sure off the eighty five if he's playing he's going to break out is going to happen all right eighty five percent. That's our highest thus far. I'm i'm at about eighty percent on my pick so i think vance wins the day in terms of certainty factor and eh curtis samuel. You've heard a lot about samuel. It all comes down to one thing for curtis samuel this season which is to stay healthy healthy. He's twenty three years old. He's poised to make the leap. He's the talk of camp. He's an athletic freak that had transitioned from being kind of a running back hybrid guy into the wide receiver position but he missed ten games through the first two seasons due to injury so his health is the key to him actually paying off for you but but right now what i love about curtis samuel impart for the fantasy side is you gotta pay two more rounds to get d._j. More and i think much like you know. We've talked a little bit about golladay a._m. Marvin jones and like the the round gap is so significant between the two that there's going to be jones weeks and i don't just like d._j. More at all i think d._j. Moore has a great ceiling in the offense as well but you have you ever healthy cam newton and his main target is going to be d._j. More and curtis samuel on this offense along with christian mccaffrey obviously so you look at where does courtesy mule win on the football field this apart from the preseason hi this is apart from him being and arguably the best player in camp. He wins at every single level in every single route. If you look at reception perception seventy four point six percent success rate against man coverage. That's the ninety four th percentile. He's a player that you can get the ball to downfield. You can get it to him. In the screen game he can tr- <hes> joystick his way through the defence and <hes> he converted seventy three percent of his contested catches as well. I think what what you're paying for. Curtis samuel in the seventh round is going to more than return the value on curtis. Samuel has been the off-season of curtis samuel he he. I think he really has one. I don't think any player from front to back from the very beginning to to right now has had more buzz and more people going goo goo bananas over over his performance and camp performance on the field is he's just been out outstanding. It is sad that he's all of a sudden. I mean we were looking at a._d._p. The other day and you know i'm still a believer dante. Pettis can break out and curtis. Samuel was going ahead of dante. Pettis now in these drafts has skyrocketed because for the longest time well he was still thirteenth around twelve round then he got buzzed than it was like tenth rim. Now is up to the seventh. I i i. I just hope it slows down. Thanks to you andy probably the wind not well. I will add this in people who are in the in the realm where all consuming this content right now. You're listening to this podcast. Ask you know who curtis samuel is. You may have to pay that a._d._p. I'm telling you in the the majority of home leaks casual leagues which a lot of our listeners sner playing. You're gonna get him really really late. We just did a <hes> draft that celebrity draft. We did with with juju and ninja in pals. We got curtis samuel super lead. They were all sleeping on curtis samuel still so i think there is still the they're still this world that exists exist where guys like curtis samuel. The majority of really won't know who he is. He didn't play at the beginning of last year and honestly for fantasy awareness that front half of the a year matters a lot more than the back half for a lot of like a fantasy owners to come around on who the player is i mean he had a handful of these weeks where you know he was a wide wide receiver to three fringe guy. He had a top ten week against tampa that first half i mean he was nowhere. Nobody knows who you are so he hasn't re and he's so a young so he hasn't had the opportunity to kind of get in the limelight for like you said for home league or for people that d._j. More the draft capital more recently drafted high. I in in the draft so i think he's just going to be a very interesting guy. I think they're going to involve him heavily in the offense now that he's healthy so <hes>. I've got no matter eighty percent i don't. I don't think there's a way a healthy curtis. Samuel isn't <hes> paying out even as the seventh round. It keeps climbing up. You know i still take the cheaper for of the two if you believe cam newton is going to be back in healthy and doing when i do all right that is it for breakouts today you guys <hes> you wanna jump in the mail bank. Insure mailbag all right. If you have a question for the fantasy footballers you can click this question button on the website. You can dial the voicemail hotline three zero two four six four t. f. f. b. r. I questioned mike gonna gonna say to me well. I i loved jason's break out a reference. The acne like there's there's a movie. I know there's a movie. You're take out break it. It's seems like it would be a common name but the only thing i could really find was the smash hit from two thousand thirteen breakout starring brendan fraser. You guys remember that broke out with the mummy. What's he broke out zeno man. No no no you're right. You're right. You broke workout in my life with the mummy. That's fine. I'm just saying and then he then what is it. What is the opposite of a breakout a breakdown superior back down houdini yeah whoa he's. He's not exactly in the limelight anymore. Yeah not really i. I still love him all right matt in chicago. Hey ballers. Would you ever pass up a player in an earlier round because you're targeted targeting his teammates in a late around and don't want to step what perfect timing on that question. Would you pass on d._j. More in the fifth because you want to grab curtis samuel in the seventh round and i would yeah there are certain players that i find myself i do another example would be maybe i don't take any gall a day earlier. When when maybe he is in consideration because i often get marvin jones later in a draft if there is a player that i liked targeting late because because of the nebulous situation of his team. I don't usually pay for the earlier one but you also have to do that. Draft soul searching inside where if if you miss out on both of these players now. Is that okay or are you. You're locked in. I gotta have a piece of this offense has if you bypass the early one there's no guarantee unless you've massively reach for the second player yeah yeah i it's an interesting question and it varies quite a bit with you know these guys around or two apart. Are you talking about. You know a around three guy around nine guy or something of that nature all right voicemail question vollers. There's this kyle of new jersey commissioner question. We're going to start doing keepers in my leak. Starting twenty twenty just wanted to know your thoughts on the best way to determine team for our cost and how to handle players that are taking waivers during the season of the show guys thanks a lot hotly debated topic from from time to time here on the show and essen answer number one is there's no right way to do it. I mean we we have a league that there is no cost lost. You just pick three keepers but you can't keep the same position. I mean we people do it differently in each and every league i know that jason strong feelings about not allowing like some leagues due waiver wire guys for lower round pick don't do that yeah. That's you know a lotta times. You'll you'll do something where you you. Establish your keepers. You can keep them emmett whatever you drafted him and then every year or two it goes up two rounds or something like that if you got him off the waivers then it's your last round pick that was like the default several years ago when keeper systems were were just being made it so it was really common and then you know after two thousand fourteen odell beckham junior who's a waiver waiver wire guy who was a top five pick the next season who just completely free even though nobody in your league and then it was with them and it was david johnson awesome yeah so to me i love i personally love the the forced strategy on a league words like if you don't draft the player if the league doesn't doesn't draft them so that they cannot be kept. They're just not eligible to be kept. They back in the draft. He doesn't like that. I love that like that is my i mean for method so so you don't get rewarded for being a a in a keeper league. You can't pick up a guy and then. I think you can do a number always you could do it. <hes> two rounds behind eighty one round behind a._d._p. How about this inventing it on the spot. What if what you paid in fab form you gotta give up. If you want to keep them you get you. Give up your last round. Pick plus the fab. You spent on that player if it's a free agent pickup here's the thing if a player isn't of any cost people trade keepers so that that guy has a different value right you can go train david johnson and he has no cost so he's got a different elevated value. It just depends on how you wanna play. I can't imagine just telling people all the more fun way to play fantasy football. If you pick a guy of the waivers in our keep you can't keep no it's not. I don't think it takes any fun away because it's not like you. Don't get a keeper now. You've you've got to keep the guys that you drafted that were drafted. I mean the the riera has agitator where you have a guy that you picked up waivers. You're like man. I saw that philip lindsay before anybody what else i saw george kendall before anybody else and that's why i drafted him is what i would say. No you didn't draft them. You waiver pitino but then it's your we're talking about draft cost right so like you're rewarding. I think that the point of the key for the draft for the draft cost the point is rewarding warning the owners who found those guys in your draft late and made the decision to suspend the draft equity on that guy. I got curtis samuel in the thirteenth anthony early you know off season draft and you're rewarding their insight at the draft. I didn't think keepers was about the draft only thought it was about big. I i side ride more with andy on the the philosophy of you. Gotta find a way to to to let players. Keep them and it's it's a._d._p. Minus around for me. That's rewarded you. You get someone like david john or james connor this past year you pick them up off waivers right in this wasn't even after weeknights move mike yeah i know picking them up and you shouldn't be allowed to keep james caan for free should be a._d._p. Minus around so you'd get him for a second round pick all right parker in north phoenix wise. No one even drafting tony pollard anywhere comparatively shouldn't he beginning draft apted somewhere behind or between us an alert and justin jackson. I'm aware they're not in the same offensive systems in ecuador has standalone value but doesn't deserve to at least be drafted often and if so where we haven't talked a lot about how we talk to them on yesterday's mock draft show at the very end and yes. I believe he should be drafted after very relate. You'll find out soon. You'll you'll know before week. One if zeke is going to come back the difference between the cowboys and the chargers i think nationally and just talked to fantasy people melvin gordon's his holdout threats are real. I don't believe zeke is actually going to hold out. I think he will be back before week. One melvin gordon though i believe we'll take it to the limit and he'll sit out as many games as as has. He thinks he can get away with without having to toll his contract over. I ask the difference. You don't believe as equal do that. I don't i believe it's possible i believe is is. I think it's possible that zeke they want then. Why aren't you drafted tony pollard. I didn't say not to oh. I didn't say anything about it yet <hes> but i think i think tony pollard is a little bit <hes>. I think the team likes him. I don't think he can handle the full workload he but he doesn't have to he just has to handle the couple. We can go. I've i've drafted. Tony pollard and baseball leagues the same way. I'm drafting darwin thompson but <hes> i do. I'm just saying i think zeke zeke believes that zeke is the be all end all for that team and now you've got back and forth between jerry jones and ezekiel elliott. What about the little quip about zeke who and look you get to contentious. Pride is a powerful thing that we've seen things go from. Logic logic says you can't hold out your contract says this pride says something else that that quip as as you call it where jerry jones was like z. coup and then and seeks camp said that they were offended by that all that what it reminded me of in a little bit of a scary way was when the bleacher report article came out last year here from inside the pittsburgh steelers locker room where the players were saying. Hey where is love bell. I don't like that he's not here. We're fine with james. Garner and love bell took that to heart art and he was like that's when everything flipped and that's exactly what you're talking about. India takes it from logic to pride and so yeah it's scary but to to answer the listener's question as to. Why are they gapped. It's because right now. The expectation is that gordon will miss more games zeke. Tony pollard looked great in in preseason week to i will say that a couple of impressive runs coal in wisconsin. Hey fellas loved. The show is their remedy or punishment for people who take way too long to respond to trade trade proposals or at times even let the trade expire remedy different strokes for different folks. Some people don't not as active it not or at least not a punishment. You can't punish these people but the remedy is building up conversation in your league. We we bring up that one of the most important things for your league is an actual communication hub and a communication hub where people go regularly. Are you in the facebook. Spoke generation make a facebook group. Are you in the twitter. Generation make twitter d._m. Group that ever you know that people are gonna log into it once a day and they'll see the notification so that'd be my advice. That's how you try and remedy that is get everyone talking alternatively tasers that is another other opt- i mean you gotta have completely buying from all parties but if you don't respond you get tasers. The did something that you've experimented with now. That is just a piggyback. Mike you can also one these you wanna ever pig. You wanna get a trade done. Talk to the person just to speak to the communication thing a lot easier easier to send out a bunch of blind deals and be mad that people don't respond. It's harder to send a note and say hey. Do you want to do a trade right. I almost never offer a trade through the system. You know just click click click and send. I'll text the person that makes one of us yeah. I i guess to be fair. You get the most traits to go through so maybe i need to just start sending out people. Stop listening to me. Those shotgun trays worked before. I had this stupid podcast. Let's get more voicemail than we'll wrap it up. Guys is love the show. This is josh from boston. Keep her question. I can keep him forever. Do i keep change connor. What do i keep knicks up full appointee p._r. Dr appreciate you answer. Thanks so much nick james connor the different end the whether you can keep them forever ever not doesn't mean it's to me. I'm only for a couple years man. That's i. I struggled with that mightily. When i was over the weekend looking at at my dynasty rankings of of who who would i rather have james connor or nick chub and it got to the point of all the time i had. I can't even tell you where i landed landed. I think nick shove more talented player. I won't necessarily are with that. That's leans me that direction. It's not it's not some slam dunk guarantee. I mean pittsburgh had so much success with rushing leaders the angela williams and love bell and and you know they've had so much success. It's hard to bet against the guy in pittsburgh. I just leaned up up. Let me ask you this question. Then is kareem hunt a cleveland brown next year probably not but there's a chance yeah there's a chance yeah yeah so to me than if there if you feel like there's a chance that kareem hunt is on the same team as nick chubb at if that team if they're going into the offseason with both of those players on the team it's gonna both of them are going to be involved is it won't be what you're you're getting from. Nick charles these first eight games where he's just going to be a workhorse and i believe that as long as james conner is on the steelers he eh will be a workhorse funny thing is if connor is what you want him to be this year. We'll see if he plays through with his cheap contract for the next right because they'll have one one season left but he's gonna get paid seven hundred hundred fifty eight thousand dollars. My guess is if they offered james connor the deal that they offered levian bell he would say they're where's my pen. I tend hindu agree with you so seems like a slightly different situation. They wanna lock connor up. I think they'll be able to do it. We're not gonna have any more running backs in the n._f._l. They're just gonna be all holding yeah. I guess what you don't get concussed if we hold down. That's true yeah but you don't get paid well. It doesn't seem to bother anybody at all. Paul goodness all right that is for today's episode of the show. Be sure to check out pristine auction yesterday assigned mike evans this jersey or i'm sorry i signed chrome speed many helmet. Oh went for seventy nine dollars. There are hundreds of daily actions from your favorite players teams pop culture sir pristine auction dot com use the registration code ballers and you'll get five dollars off your first auction otherwise we'll be back with you tomorrow more sleepers values and news yeah. We'll see then good bye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy. Footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on on twitter at the f. f. ballers.

curtis samuel jason moore aaron jones football mike chris godwin twitter pittsburgh steelers dede westbrook Andy hall jaguars aaron rodgers miles sanders jacksonville kansas jesse james james nick foles pittsburgh tony pollard heath miller
NFL Week 1 Sports Betting Picks: Thursday Night Football - Green Bay Packers at Chicago Bears

Bet The Board

1:10:31 hr | 1 year ago

NFL Week 1 Sports Betting Picks: Thursday Night Football - Green Bay Packers at Chicago Bears

"That thou board. We never <music> right. I bet you twenty bucks. I can get you can't look for the end of the day you only fifteen grand how they pay debts men his money. It's the board podcast originally the end up right back where i and i could still pick winners. I can still make money for all kinds of people back home and why mess up a good thing airs pain insider and todd the board podcast after along off-season hours spent previewing all thirty two teams in the national football volley. The much anticipated season is finally upon us. I am taught furman your host along. This magical. Mystery tour joined as always by my steam colleague coast. I manage forgotten more stuff about gambling than i'll ever know the one the only pain inside this morning football season's here buddy. I know college you. You do begrudgingly every single week during the fall but the n._f._l. Has where pain insiders to passion sits so despite all the hurricane crap in the manual labor you've been forced to do. I wanna wanna know if you're excited. The blood coursing through your veins and urania talk a little bit about professional pace. Get oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'm ready. I'm amped so six signal sick. It sounds like if you convince yourself eventually pain by the time we get to game three. We'll actually be there plenty of games that we wanna break down but before we get there a little bit of housekeeping and big news yesterday pain in the bet the board five k. football free role. We went through the twenty five hundred number and we are on the fast track to three thousand plus entries. Hopefully our best year ever in this lovely contest absolutely just go to bet the board contest dot com sign up so you can get in can ta naira giving away some money over five thousand dollars to the <hes> annual prize pack and then of course to keep you guys interested we have prizes houses each and every single week for seventeen weeks it just consists of a <hes> visa gift card in some bet the board swag so head on over to bet the board contests dot com and sign up for the contest her plenty of opportunities for you guys to match wits against some of the best handicappers anywhere on the internet of b-share to bring your a game game because we know that competition is absolutely stiff so enjoy that special thank you to you all of our loyal listeners whether you're with us for the first episode or you've i've been with us from the start. We appreciate you guys more than we can ever put into words pain before we get an all the games. I know some people out there going to be a little disappointed that we can't get to all of them. The cowboys subways giants won't be a game we hit on so wanted to get your take real quickly on the zeke elliott holdout jerry jones subsequently signing him six years ninety million dollars us just explain to me where all this money's coming from for the cowboys to lock these guys all up long-term deals helvin negotiating tactic. They're gera- it's tough to bus that. Guy's balls were so much money but that was not very good negotiation on. She put it that way. They're going to have to find room. That's for sure in in good for zeke because he wasn't do up for two more years and now he lands the largest contract in running back history so good for him what this means for the team. It's a slight upgrade. Obviously i don't think they were going to be bad without him and our outlook on the cowboys in general i think is higher than probably the rest of of the sharp community right. We've kind of hit on this on the n._f._c. podcast. There's this idea when you look at all the close victories they had last season and all the luck factors that they'd be due for regression and those things are nice to look at. I think there is an element of the pie when you're making the pizza but you really have to focus in on this season season and i love kellyn more. I think he's going to have an ability to make this offense a little bit more dynamic. There's going to be more creativity there. So i like the offensive side of the ball. There's weapon engineer amari cooper for a full slate of the season the defense is going to be improved as well. I just really and then you get the redskins and giants four four times combined so i don't see this massive regression that a lot of sharp guys think is going to <hes> the cowboys <unk> will say i watched one of the major networks earliest morning and you had a number of talking heads picking the cowboys you get to the super bowl awfully crazy. They think is elliott can be the guy to catapult in there as you said i love some of the talent i'm just i'm not sure that becomes a logical expectation to have down there and jerry's world but either way let's get in the actual games themselves and as we always do we start atop august rotation order and wrap things up later in the show at the thursday night showdown between the bears and packers so falcons vikings pain two teams last year that i guess we can flat flat out say underachieved both at expectations to get to the postseason and maybe have a chance to compete for lombardi trophy never actually played that seventeenth game that they so coveted similar expectations for both these teams as we head into this season and when we look at the number here minnesota right now a three and a half point favorite in the game total sits at forty eight we i have seen some money come in on the road underdog falcons and i guess when we look at atlanta we start with a team on the mend. They lost so many games to starters on the defensive side of the ball last year. Dirk carter comes back to call plays on the offensive side returning after he was here from two thousand fourteen to two thousand sixteen. Let's look at that falcons defense first and foremost and how they'll match up against the vikings offense which is going to have a lot more of a commitment to the ground game than what we saw most of last season absolutely and that commitment to the ground. I'm game. I think is with a news zone running scheme that the vikings wallner employees and i think that fits delvin cooks running style perfectly and you look at gear bradberry the vikings new center great addition. I think he's going to be a stud. I think he's gonna help that o. Line <hes> it is a ridiculously talented group of minnesota running back so i like like that aspect of it. I know a lot of people are now kind of getting on the kubiak trained in what that means for cousins. I think when you look at that zone run scheme obviously it's conducive to going play action off of that and that's really where cousins seems to excel with with his back to a defense with the play action elements so i think we're gonna see a lot of that. In when you look at where cousins is best in those areas i think you know with the play action element with with the short passing attack with the intermediate stuff all of that seems to complement what kirk wants to completion percentage went up nine percent last here with play action yards per pass attempt rose almost two full yards passer rating up twenty points when there is a play fake element <hes> so when you look at this offense when you look at potentially could be in this specific matchup and you talk about cousins being accurate underneath and intermediate look at the atlanta falcons defense offense. They've allowed four hundred in fifty. Four receptions do running backs during dan coins danielle right and it's it's it's the most every single new year for the last four seasons part of it is obviously scheme but that's a real problem in this day and age in two thousand nineteen when we keep hammering bring home. Let's get the ball in the past game to running back especially on early down so let's see if delvin cook can can hit some place there in the past game. I know atlanta. I also kind of attempting to figure out that secondary. They've had some issues there. It looks like they're gonna go with isaiah oliver. The kid from colorado to play opposite true font graded outlast outlast season pretty well but he only had more than twenty four snaps in two games so <hes>. He's a little wet behind the ears. Still i'm sure defenses are going to kind of focus on him and attack him a little bit and you have a nice little adjustment there that we're also seeing the nickel <hes> position with neil back and obviously alan healthy. They're trying to convert vert demonte casey to nickel corner. I don't know if that's gonna work <hes> but again you know when you look at where the areas of this defense need to improve and and dan quinn is never had an even average defense in his tenure so far in atlanta. It's gotta be with the pass rush. It's got that passer. She's she's got to help. The the secondary desma true might be probably the key player in this defense if he goes down that secondary is going to be abysmal so it's all about getting pressure. Let's see if that that battle plays at that could determine this game right. You have a a defense that was thirty first in quarterback back pressure rated season ago but the vikings allowed a league-high two hundred seventeen q._b. pressure so that's the match up. That's the game within the game. It's vital that guys like vic beasley in mckinley mckinley kind of take that next step and it starts here against the vikings on the other side of the ball pain clearly know the atlanta falcons strength though the last couple of years has been offense led by matt ryan. We know about julio jones and some of his bold proclamations for the kind of statistics. He's gonna put forth this season. We've seen the emergence of austin hooper at the tight end position position. We know what calvin ridley can be opposite julio but devante freeman getting healthy. I think is big. We know the falcons went out there and address that offensive line to keep their quarterback back upright which is extremely important when you consider that minnesota's pass rush at an n._f._l. Best nine percent sacrificed a season ago. So you think the emphasis in hostile territory building the falcons aren't that familiar in playing is getting the ball out quickly. What should we expect from the atlanta offense when they go out and try and attack vikings defense that hey let's not kid ourselves. They regressed quite a bit last year and weren't nearly the dynamic stopping and other than third downs that we'd seen from coach zimmer. The previous couple campaigns yeah spot on and it to me. It's like two teams with just a ton of variants going on and i think we're gonna find out a lot about both teams straight from the jump. You mentioned some of those changes. <hes> atlanta's offense offense made you bring back dirk qatar. I i don't mind him. He's decent the the reason they brought him back with more familiarity right when you have guys like matt ryan ryan and julio jones the shelf life on those two being in their primes together i it's running out so you had to bring in a guy that had familiarity the era with both that wasn't going to force this new system where took a year year and a half to kind of get it down. Pat you mentioned the old line being beefed up that was that's accurate they bring in carpenter and brown and free agency than than dmitrov drafts <hes> lindstrom and mcgarry so there's gonna be some push upfront which it's really interesting as you look at this. There is an emphasis. It seems on improving this ground game. You'll get land last year twenty four th and adjusted line yards second in stuff rate right so there's a lot of negative place for the falcons offense and so when you keep five running backs on your roster to kind of signals that may be. I don't think we're going run heavy but we could probably run a little bit more in in with this matchup here. You know the vikings defense overall it did regress a little bit and l. sound down crazy that were complaining about it because they dipped all the way to fourth in defensive efficiency but if you look there were you could push around a little bit last year minnesota's twenty four th and adjusted line yards. You'll lose sheldon richardson in the middle on top of that so it tells me that minnesota could struggle just a little bit with the run here. The key thing here is focused on first downs. If atlanta can get going on first down with the ground game set up some easy easy short distance situations that could be big because oddly minnesota last year was nine th worst in both passing and rushing success rate on first down so a lot of offense they faced had really nice situations sion's on second and third and short what we've seen in you kind of reference this movement here he's from four and a half down to three and a half now so if you like atlanta that's fine but you've lost roughly three percent of your edge since since the market peak so it's not something i'm running to they do but again there are guys that are extremely respected that are high in atlanta this season and i've seen who's behind the move. I don't mind it. I'm fine sitting sitting in out. I get it. I think you know one of the aspects when you look at this certainly minnesota has a historically monster home field advantage whether it's the old stadium or the the new <hes> but i think the idea that the felker decline when they go outdoors is a little bit negated here in touched on that in the n._f._c. podcast. We certainly have more listeners for this one so i wanna kind of touch on that again but what matt ryan does in a dome versus outdoors is just dramatic yang had nine dome games last year completed seventy three percent of his passes twenty three total touchdowns to only three picks yards per pass attempt increased the seven games outdoors matt ryan's completion asian percentage was eight percent lower only finished with fifteen total scores in four picks up the other thing is when we did the schedule analysis the nine dome games james he actually faced defenses that were on average fifteen percent tougher so that's partly it here when you're looking at some of these metrics and you're trying to gauge matt matt ryan outside versus inside. He's not going to be faced with some of those difficult challenges. You're playing in a dome. I'm sure a lot of falcons fans will take solace in that knowing that a number of the the falcons road games this year highlighted by this weekend trip to minnesota the annual trip to new orleans in a dome they play the colts and i believe there's one other that eludes me now. They only play four true games outside died and only one of those city should be in the elements being at seattle could set up quite nicely for the falcons to make a run at a division crown. If there's optimism in atlanta china we know that there is extreme optimism in the mistake by the lake and yes cleveland fans you come after me for that statement because i know you will all season long but the cleveland browns paint a five five and a half to six point favorite playing host the tennessee titans total in this game forty five and a half. We know all the expectations for cleveland. We know about their shiny new toys that they've put in their garage on the offensive and defensive site we know about the question marks freddie kitchens and his role and responsibility translate to being an effective head coach and c._e._o. All of this organization for what john dorsey expects meanwhile we have similar questions for the tennessee titans offense as far as their offensive coordinator and arthur smith so when we look at a tiny offensively offensively. I think this is a better place to start than the browns. Marcus mariota twenty six touchdown passes back in two thousand sixteen over the last two seasons. He's thrown twenty. Four touchdowns announced twenty three interceptions eleven touchdown passes in two thousand eighteen. We're tied for the fewest in a season by any quarterback to start thirteen plus games since two thousand eleven now it hasn't precluded the titans from actually winning football games. They've been the model of consistency slash mediocrity getting to that nine-game threshold. He's had multiple playcallers. But where is this titans offense going and how quickly we see ryan tannehill under center. I'm not quite sure you know. I think the titans offense. It just brings a a lot out of uncertainty certainly a massive question mark with arthur smith tennessee's new o._c. And we've kind of talked about him. Being in the organization nations since two thousand eleven that's the reason able promoted him to keep the offense the same as it was a year ago with the floor so mariota didn't have to go through the process of learning fifth offense in as many years. I don't know how that works since smith. Was you know he's been there long before. The floor technically probably not his system. I guess he learned it last year. I you know i. I don't know everything that <hes> is. Being indicated is arthur. Smith is going to use a heavy dose of derrick henry. The season in that makes sense <hes> it. It was something that leflore could identify but derrick henry was eighteen percent more successful on runs than dion lewis. It took him about thirteen weeks is to figure this out. Henry claims the calf that kept him out of camp in the preseason now one hundred percent if that's true also mariota claims he's not only one hundred percent but feels better than ever added twelve pounds in the offseason to the frame kind of withstand some of these hits this monster year for mariota. I have trouble ah valuating this system as done him. No favours you know the receiving core hasn't helped at all when you look at that group <hes> separation emperor outrun the collection of the titans receivers are near the very bottom of the league last year. When you look at drops the titans had the most your hops in two thousand seventeen followed followed that stellar performance with the third most season ago so it mariota need some help here when you look at potentially how he's going to be attacked just looking for any kitchens right. It's his personality his mentor the guy he hired as his d._c. Is stephen welk's so i just i fully expect the browns defense to try and heat mariota up and i think that's probably a little bit of a concern right. Taylor lewan suspended for the first four games. <hes> dennis miskelly is was back at practice yesterday. He's the backup left. Tackle graded out well last season but if you remember filled in at right tackle for some injury theory so when you listen to the line coach keith carter there he compared the transition from nbr from right tackle the left tackle as learning to write with your non predominant dominant hand so we'll see how that goes jack conklin the all world right tackle. He's been battling a knee issue. All off season missed wednesday's practice. He's gonna play but he's not one hundred percent healthy so point being here <hes> backup left tackle slightly dimmed right tackle and then you have this aggressive mindset from stephen wilkes who aw sent blitzes on a league high fifty one point one percent of the time in two thousand seventeen as the panthers d._c. And then you look last year it was a terrible arable season for arizona they lead in barely any games at all any still sent blitz forty six percent of the time so it's going to be interesting to see if if the line can keep mariota upright it's going to be on <hes> arthur smith kind of combat that pressure with with some quick hitters. This could be a delaney delaney walker game. You know you look at the browns. They allowed a one nineteen passer rating when quarterbacks targeted tight ends second worst in the n._f._l. So on mariota get the ball all out quick. Maybe find delaney walker here to negate some of that pressure. I don't like that explanation of having to learn to write with your fan because you see my penmanship struggle enough to write with my right hand so if i had to write with my left all bets are off and i'm not sure it would be pretty resolution but you mentioned eric tell you we've we've learned some weird things about you in the last twenty four the hours i don't know why for the first time i've ever seen your handwriting and it's atrocious and then i've also alerted me that you don't use like a loofah wash cloth in the shower just the bar of soap to the body after all. You don't need to go any other couture mara bar soap to the body get in get out. It's not an elaborate process process to go through the mail grooming. I can't deal with the dry skin. I like aloof. Although i'm hearing there's bacteria that live in the humidity how do you you have dry skin. I live in the desert. Yeah you have to walk moisturizer for your hands for this for that and younger to try and avoid leathery skin but you live in miami and the humidity we've we've we've lost some of our listeners at this point but we might have actually gone from gay. I go through like a three pack doc of chapstick. It's ridiculous. How you live up there. I mean it's a it's a tough life but somebody's gotta do it but you mentioned paying some of the numbers for the tennessee running backs and just wanna contextual is a little bit of derrick henry productivity so the titans last season. We're one of the most run heavy offense is in the league second most actually behind only seattle now of of course that'll change as we've talked about derrick henry five hundred eighty five of his old slightly over a thousand rushing yards came in the final four games. He led the league in rushing yards at six hundred fifty five and rushing touchdowns with eight from weeks twelve seventeen. I think a lion share that came against jaguars of it just goes to show once. He emerged what that offense looked like. You talked about the browns rounds defense a bit. We know they foresaw just less than two turnovers. A game were very stout in the secondary but not exactly great against the run however you were critical and you brought it to my high-tension last season talking about the titans defense. Maybe being a bit more paper tigers then a lot of talking heads in n._f._l. Analysts wanted to let on they had the third ranked scoring hiring defense last season the teams such highest ranking since two thousand eight but at times when they stepped up in class they struggled and we look at this cleveland browns team clearly. This is an offense offense with all sorts of shiny toys that they're going to look to try and take full advantage of whether it's the hurry up whether it's through balanced attack what we think freddie kitchens is going to put on full display in the opener. You're who the heck knows what a big balls move there and like the opening preseason game going tempo on the very first drive against washington. I was like this guy's a maniac. I love it off. <hes> the relationship between kitchens and todd monk in seems to be fine now compared to when we talked about this brown's offense <hes> in the off season pod in the a._f._c. preview so kitchen still doing most of the play calling all in the regular season i think although he didn't rule out monk in contributing some and he's also allowed monkey nicole someplace in the <unk>. I don't know if that's a thing anymore. They seem to be doing fine. I'm just stoked to see what this cleveland offense is. Is you have all these young talented kids. They're a year older now. They're they're familiar with the system with what freddie wants to do. <hes> we saw this offense. Just completely elitist transform once freddie started running the show and again it bears repeating because it's just so massive from weeks one through eight with you. Jackson brown's offense twenty-seventh in rushing success rate thirty first and passing success rate twentieth in explosive passing. Thank god you get shit canned. Freddie takes over and from weeks nine through seventeen. Cleveland proves to eighth in rushing success rate fifth in passing in third explosive passing so now you can add a guy like like o b j to the fold this could be. I know there's skeptics out there. If this doesn't go well early things could fold but just from a talent talent perspective from a output perspective this could be. This has the potential to be o._b. Jay's best year right. He finally has a quarterback that can get him. The ball in this was wild to see but last year eli targeted beckham twenty on one hundred twenty four times and only fifty percent of those were graded as being accurately thrown so it's it could be a little bit better this year for for odell so when you look at like his catch rate last year sixty two percents so he apparently caught twelve percent balls that were thrown just wildly inaccurate <hes> i i think that's gonna be interesting to see monster test obviously for the titans i think as a whole we probably see a little bit more regression from the side side of the ball again. You know we we talked about them. Being paper champs last year <hes> hit on it very early on six easiest schedule last season as a now they face worn in ten toughest and it's because of games like this right here and i don't think tennessee's addressed all the issues on this side of the ball that they needed to in the off season right. I mean i i love the pick of jeffrey simmons but he's not a day one contributor obviously with the knee the only addition on this side of the ball was you know thirty eight year old cam wake and i think he's he's got to be an immediate help getting pressure on baker mayfield. You'll get tennessee where they struggled last year thirtieth in cuba pressuring <hes>. I think that's probably the the key matchup seeing if they can get pressure on baker obviously with kitchens. It's going to be a quick passing game so it's going to be tough to get the baker now. I get the the idea here here of rebel. It's it's from the school of bella. Check right bend but don't break you know. Don't give up the explosive plato del into the titans credit. They did a good job at that. Last year. Seventh seventh explosive pass defense and when opponents got into the red zone they allowed touchdowns on just forty four percent of those trips inside the twenty so was from the school of ballot check but i think that's going to be really interesting that match up there once the browns get in the red zone. Can they put seven on the board couple interesting notes on the browns when we talk about a much maligned franchise. It's with good reason. The browns have not won a season opener since two thousand four. It's the longest active drought in the league fourteen eighteen consecutive seasons there too and five against the spread painting games when they've been favored by five points. It's only happened seven times in two thousand ten and they haven't been favored by five points or more in a season opener since two thousand eleven when they took on the bengals game they subsequently lost a seven point favorites care to venture a guess who the quarterback running back and wide receiver for trio might have been for cleveland back in that game. I gotta tell you i was sending the text message in for our listeners. It wasn't one below the belt so i have no idea what you just asked me. That's very eric. I appreciate your honesty listeners that we're paying attention. What do they listen on two times pete the last time the browns this heavy favourite in the opener starting quarterback colt mccoy starting running back peyton hillis and their go to receiver the household name and future hall of famer one mohammed maskco so go figure pain hillis what that that was a one year breakout man the great white hi baby the great roy. I am so and i've got an all star two point. Oh for a minute there and i've gotten off script. I said we were going to go on rotation order. Of course i didn't follow my own rules so let's get back on track with kansas city in jacksonville where we see the jags painting three three and afraid to look down and see my tax now actually the jags at three three and a half point underdog depending on where the informational journal you choose the shop the over under on this one fifty one and a half in some spots fifty two out here in the desert a lot of family ties in this particular taylor game pain nick foles andy reid all too familiar with one another and when you look at some of the things andy reid is accomplished as boss of the men from arrowhead sixty five five and thirty one almost sixty eight percent win rate second best record in the league since he took over in two thousand thirteen behind only new england when we look at casey's defensive coordinator steve spagnolo he held the same title for the new york giants in two thousand seven when they won the super bowl under jacksonville's director football operations or whatever the hell his title. Is tom coughlin. Offline first game at kansas city down in the state of florida since two thousand fourteen and last year in these two teams played i i know i held a ticket on the jaguars and quickly remembered why it's so so difficult to back blake bortles when you gain your opposition and still lose by sixteen point. I say all that pain to get to this the unstoppable force you kansas city offense led by your man crush patrick mahomes against the jacksonville jaguars defense on what intrigues you about what unfold on that side of the ball so first percival. What was that whole. Was that andy's final year with the eagles. They drafted nick foles. I think it was two thousand twelve or beliefs. Oh but dini spent four spent time time with breed in kansas city. I mean my history is always a little bit muddled there. It was <hes> it was a cup of coffee. I believe in two thousand sixteen so that that is an interesting element there. We want to start with the chiefs offense. I believe yeah. Let's take the last five minutes off. I think our listeners are gonna wonder how many lower bars you're trying to jump down your goal at right now. I there's a lot of stuff coming in. We're in that like ten a._m. Hit the screen our apparently so what you're what you're right after the podcasts even earlier on thursday mornings earnings at about three a._m. West coast time to avoid any potential distractions. I get the there we go there. We go so this this side of the ball. I think it's a it's a fun match up you referenced for inst- last season and it was one of the rare times i think we saw full-blown effort from every member of the jacksonville defense and kind have made point to this. Don't let the scoreboard full you because jacksonville's defense at arrowhead last season what was outstanding you know allowed a thirty percent success rate against the run that was sixteen percent below league average twenty six percent below what the chiefs average last season and then you look at mahomes specifically how he was held in jack successful on forty two percent of his passes that game that was eleven percent below his season average. You look at patty's at yards per pass attempt held two point two yards below his season averages well so jacksonville's defense bought in for that game <hes> they were outstanding now the differences they don't have television smith and i hate him being out for this game in clearly it appears. He's gonna be out for the season but i think that loss gets magnified even more in a game like this because you look at jacksonville they they were exceptional last season top seven defensively in preventing yards and receptions two running backs in we know andy reid loves getting the ball to his backs in the passing sing attack <hes> aside from that though like relatively speaking. I feel pretty comfortable with the jacksonville defense. Josh allen appears to be a major day. One contributor you look at jacksonville did a season ago. They pressured quarterbacks at eight thirty eight percent clip. I think that only improves and then you look at some of this match. Chuck a little bit. You wanna be able to have jacksonville. Get casey into these known passing situations and you want to do that because you can employ this system that jacksonville's has been raving about where they kicked collapse campbell back inside and then you have alan in on the outside rushing from there and if you see that scenario r._e._o. It could be advantage jacksonville. Obviously because of course you wanna get offense is a negative down in distances but i think that also helps if you can get collapsed campbell kick back inside. We may feel the loss of center mitch morris. If that happens so that's the one thing you want to focus on jacksonville defensively a without alvin smith if they can prevent the passes to running backs in be if they can get the chiefs in in negative down in distances with this rush package of glaze earliest gamble kicking inside kenny take advantage of ms moore. Mitch moore's not being there at center when we look at this kansas city offense to put in perspective how good they've been for an extended period of time. The chiefs scored twenty five plus points in twenty one st games. That's a longest streak in league history. We know about what they did a season ago five hundred sixty five points third most in league history and when you look at some of patrick mahomes individual accomplishments. I know you're a huge fan pain third player in league history. Fifty plus touchdown passes is in a season. He joins tom brady and peyton manning but he became the first quarterback to win the m._v._p. In his first season as a starter since kurt warner back in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and the youngest player flair to win m._v._p. Twenty three years old and one hundred and four days since a man near and dear to all those folks in south florida dan marino back in one thousand nine hundred four so we will see mahomes can bring to the table and it'll be on full display against jiang's defense that had some success against him a season to go now on the other side of the ball jacksonville brings in nick forced to take the reins from blake bortles. Nick foles job should be relatively simple. Don't turn it over. A punt isn't a bad thing when you have defenses. Stout is what we expect jacksonville to be offensive. Line should be healthier leonard for early on it'll be healthy. We've seen dede westbrook start to emerge maybe as a tier two number one wide receiver but how do the jacksonville the jaguars on the offensive side go about attacking a kansas city defense. That's retooling under new leadership a tier two number one receiver. I liked that. Did you have a fantasy draft recently. I did not because if deedee was there. He probably would have been like a tier three and actually i take that back. I did have a fantasy draft yesterday. I'll one that i can't open the advertiser because i wasn't drafting my seventeen gotcha gotcha listen. I'm spot on with you. I like the combination of of de filippo and nick foles better than with jacksonville had last season's over projecting reacting some improvement there for sure but i think you know if you're expecting foles to replicate the super bowl performance probably gonna be wildly disappointed. You know <hes> <hes>. I like the relationship that full seems to be building with dede westbrook. You mentioned that a little bit the eagles offense and foles love to target the slot in the recent years so when you kind of combine that idea with what westbrook did last season where it really started to flourish in that slot role with the ninth best separation brayshaw per route run that could be a nice tan them there. I was looking at foals and last year is most successful throwing the ball over the middle of the field end to the short right but if you look at these middle throws foles attempted sixty five passes in the middle of the field it was a combination of short intermediate deep. You completed fifty one of the sixty five so i think if you're looking at kansas city defensively this could be a doron league game a honey badger game. You know casey acquired ardley from the jets literally pack of gum. I think he's a fantastic carver linebacker. That's that's. That's the the notation their cover linebacker. I'm in then you pick up a honey badger in free agency so those were key to key additions. I think for spagnuola is you look where casey really struggled last season linebackers and safeties coverage so if you look chiefs defense allowed quarterbacks to have the fifth best passer rating when they targeted other safeties and coverage fourth-best is best when opposing quarterbacks targeted their linebacker so that's gonna be again the game within the game on this side of the ball if <hes> fulls can get that short passing game going going over the middle. How does kansas city respond. Do those new pieces really helped that area of weakness a year over year. That'll be interesting. We obviously know spag. Nola is transforming transforming the chiefs to a four three. I think that's probably going to help with the inability to stop the run from last year <hes> chiefs or eight percent worse than league average last year long fifty four percent of runs to grade successful. If you look at the match up last year jackson jacksonville i should like this fantastic job. They gash the chiefs on the ground. The problem was bortles was so god damn bad in the game was out of reach jacksonville and ran seventeen times but they were actually successful on twelve of those runs four net also didn't play some kind of intrigued to see what he looks like all signs point to to forget catching the ball more out of the backfield this year. I think you not fully boost creativity and foles posing a larger threat throwing the ball than bortles. I think it makes life a lot easier for four net. We talked about this again on the n._f._c. podcast but bears repeating four net last year faced loaded eight-man boxes on thirty six percent of his rush attempts. That was the third most in the n._f._l. If you have that creativity if you have fulls as a capable passer i think sky's the limit for net if he can stay healthy this season are you at all surprised arise by the strength of this move that we're starting to see juice threes on the game down from a peak of five where it opened up during the summer no alright all right simple enough as we move on to another game. I cross country showdown <unk> love it at the current number. Let's just put it that way. That's very fair. That's all ah hey that's all our listeners wanna know as around this whole diatribe or like just pounding where <hes> you know bad content throughout of course are injures. I got that game at it's seven nine years ago. None of our listeners know good. No exactly it won't it won't help anybody out in the lease so we have another game where we look at major question question marks for two teams one of course we are rather high on compared to market expectation the rams we'll see how they bounce back from a little bit of super bowl disappointment against the patriots grits they find themselves two and a half to three point favorites in charlotte against the carolina panthers over under on this game sits at fifty down a shade from fifty and a half fifty one and i guess pain when we look at the rams twenty four and eight and sean mcveigh's era tie for the best record since he took over. They've only covered in fifty two percent of those games. If you don't have to be a math wizard to figure out that that's a losing proposition point differential is plus two ninety-two since mcvay took over they add in some veterans but when we look at this rams team hey nobody play during the preseason mcveigh's been open and honest about that. We have some questions about cam newton's health. I'll which match up in this game. Are you going to be watching most closely. I am intrigued to see the panthers offense. Obviously you know i don't wanna be old. Get off my lawn guy here. I don't wanna be a kremlin but cam better be one hundred percent because if i'm ron rivera in that coaching staff in we've basically been given our our state of execution. Which is you know. You got about sixteen games to prove. I don't wanna see him out there trying to be a receiver setting guinness records for almost one handed catches in sixty seconds. I'm going to be irate if he's not fully healthy. So that's an interesting element here. I wanna see how healthy is he. Better be. One hundred percent came out yesterday at the press claims he is fully healthy and feels like a rookie again we will we'll see if that comes to fruition on the football field obviously take his words in his actions in doing that. Challenge seemed indicate. He's fine <hes> i was pleasantly gently surprise when we look at the macro level of what the relationship between norv turner and cam kind of started out to be last season in despite playing through through that shoulder injury for a large stretch cam completed sixty eight percent of his passes never had a season prior above sixty two percent annual. Look it wasn't just you know dinkins linkin dunk stuff to mccaffrey and samuel and things like that cam also had an adjusted yards per pass attempt mark. That was his highest since two thousand fifteen so so i'm excited to see what a healthy cam looks like in this offense you param with stuff like mccaffrey you have d._j. More curtis samuel now in year two of the system greg olsen back. It should be fun in my mind when i look at this game. It's really important. I think the panthers jumped out to a lead here. Take advantage of what you mentioned sean mcveigh's preseason preference of not playing a single soul which he did last year as well so jump out to that first half lead while the rams are still getting acclimated to the game speed. Obviously obviously you know irrelevant sample size of one game but even like a blind man could see last year that the rams looked extremely slow in that opening first half against oakland because nobody saw game action during the preseason so i think that helps getting out fast it also i think allows you to use mccaffrey in the ground game in the second second half. If you have a lead and i think that's the best way to kind of attack that rams defense. They were twenty first and adjusted line yards. They weren't always you know sound and disciplined in their assignments minced why they gave up a lot of explosive runs nineteenth in that category now you'll lu su so the point is if carolina can play with the lead you can stay balanced and if you can't then you're in trouble because when the rams have the lead they just unleash after the quarterback. They were the best last year number one in the n._f._l. In quarterback pressure rate aaron donald and company they got pressuring opposing quarterbacks forty percent of the time when they dropped back so such a staggering rate. It's important that carolina gets out to the lead ear inn dictates. It's how they how this matches played new hundred million dollar man. The pivot for the los angeles rams jared goff. You look at what this offense did. A season ago average shade less than thirty one points per game relatively run heavy by two thousand eighteen n._f._l. Standards running the football at about forty four percent of the time we know about the injury concerns arthritic knee of todd gurley and how the offense bogged down when they didn't have that play action element but when you look at this rams offense timing based or what have you not having seen game wraps matched up against the carolina defense which went out there and addressed a couple of their primary weaknesses bring in journal mccoy and drafting brian burns. Do we think carolina can have some mm success because the rams are also breaking in a couple of new offensive lineman so the continuity could be lost in the trenches perfect segue absolutely awesome because i think that's that's the key to this entire game. You know it's it's jared goff being able to you know we all the time you see some highlight throws <hes> <hes> when he has time to make throws he's actually very good and i know a lot of people won't agree with this but to me more of a byproduct of the system more rav being as good as the guys protecting him clean pocket versus pressured <hes> the dichotomy is massive for jared goff. It's literally off the charts if the alex kroll the page seventy four of your excel sheet to find jared goff when he's under pressure. It's it's semi joking but it's it's bad and you look at those numbers. When gough was pressured last season he only completed forty three percent of his passes and it's not just about being immobile. It's about you. You know not wanting. You're gonna you're gonna bag on meteor for the west guy off. Not everybody be seated because pain is going to his first shot at the softness associated with west coast football and it only took us roughly forty two minutes into the season opening podcast to get it out there. It is when you look at the film like like there are a lot of times when gough is pressured. He is dakata throats at the first sign many times right. He's is doing this little like you know. I don't wanna be hit. Throw the ball. There's a reason why his his completion percentage dips from from seventy three to forty three when he's when he's clean versus being pressured so massive dip their fifty nine point difference in passer rating. I just you know go off was fortunate last year. He had a great offensive line. <hes> <hes> only pressured on twenty five percent of drawbacks. That was the fifth best mark for qualifying quarterback. There's now some new guys on that online. The guys that remained they're good but they're getting up there. In age so when you look at how ron rivera kind of attacked with his defensive off-season righties taking back play calling duties number one and then he's added guys that can get after the quarterback whether it's you know brian burns through the draft as you mentioned or even bruce irvin and then they went and signed gerald mccoy the goal is to get pressure on quarterbacks in carolina was actually decent at that last year well above average thirty five percent last year. They got quarterback pressure but in this matchup with the rams rams who are replacing these two interior linemen from a season ago from the super bowl run. It's a good time. I think to let jerem mccoy. Go out there and try to eat all the metrics. I say if you look at gerald mccoy one of the very best interior linemen in the history of football getting pressure on quarterbacks from the defensive tackle position. That's the match up to watch here on. This side of the ball can get pressure jared goff if he can. I think airlines can be pretty successful here interesting game for sure <hes> we obviously know what we think of carolina and i'm very curious to see how the rams will come out to try and get back to the big game and get one step closer or achieve the ultimate step and bring lombardi trophy back to southern california california before we get to the final two games on her mind everybody again go to the board contest dot com sign up for the five k. Football free real easy to enter free free of charge big prizes out there some weekly components as well. You have to be sure you're falling pain insider but you can find on twitter at pain insider. I'm todd firm and you can find me there as well but but most importantly follow the podcast at the board pot so be sure to sign up for that contest the way that we can give back to you our loyal listeners and you guys can go out there and challenge yourself off against the most talented handicapping crop of n._f._l. Prognosticators anywhere on the internet the primetime games we go pain and of course the monday sunday night football twin bill will cover in greater detail on monday so those folks looking for a little bit of tidbit for the texans and saints and or broncos and raiders will. They're going to have to wait. Wait by the phone and make sure they tune in on monday but of course sunday night football pitt too proud franchise against one another new england playing host the pittsburgh steelers new england a five and a half to six point favorite total in this game has ticked down a shade from fifty one and a half. We'll call it forty nine and a half on the consensus. The steelers won last last year snapped a five game losing skid in the rivalry. It's actually their first trip to new england since two thousand fifteen and the six straight meeting with a total of forty nine or higher here where the under her has gone four and one when we look at new england yes they come with the pedigree. Yes they come with the super bowl championships but over the last ten seasons. If you bet and blindly at home they've covered sixty two percent of the time which was a mind boggling stat to me. That's obviously a credit to what bill belichick and tom brady has done but this year's patriots offense may have to reinvent vent themselves or continue along the same path they did last year more of a power run game than high-flying passing attack. I feel like we've we've really covered. These two a unit extremely well in the off season podcast a._f._c. Preview shows <hes> definitely gonna touch on them here again some of the key points but if you want more or can context on two teams that are just you know obviously going to be vying for the a._f._c. crown listen to those podcasts as well clearly for me and we touched on this little bit is finding out what life without rob gronkowski looks like you know that that combination was just dynamic. It actually produced the best best huby receiver passer rating in the n._f._l. Since two thousand six you take it one step further in thirty three games that brady played without gronk. Tom passer rating dips fifteen points from one. Oh three down to eighty eight and i think some will probably say like you know. Fifteen points not that dramatic but with that range you go from elite q._b. To below average so huge the other thing here is tom brady's without starting center. David andrews due to blood the clots so they're saying potentially out for the season. He graded out seventh center in the n._f._l. So a lot of transition here for brady a lot of key guys. Obviously the backfield is loaded. The receiving core improved dramatically when goodell reinstated. Josh gordon massive get back for tom brady he just last season <hes> when flash gordon was in the lineup brady average one point eight yards per pass attempt so it became a former explosive new england offense. This is a great match up because you know you hope. Pittsburgh's defense takes the same aggressive approach. They did last year in week fifteen. It was a lot less zone a little more man dan. If you backed out the two explosive plays from the week fifteen game the sixty three yarder busted coverage to hogan and the thirty four yard edelman pittsburgh held new england to five yards per play on the other fifty four patriots offensive snaps so that'll be hopefully tomlin remains with the scheme team that that won in last year's game. I've kind of banged the table this off season that i believe pittsburgh's defense is going to be dramatically improved. Devon bush is a massive get. They now have that that rangy middle linebacker that can go from sideline to sideline. I love the addition of steven nelson free agency as well so even without <music> out those two guys last year pittsburgh finished in the right direction top seven in both passing and rushing success rate from week seven on the the game within the game. Here is is <hes> we're going with the mantras apparently a lot this this podcast but it's it's huge right dante scar nekia one of the very you best. Oh line coaches versus a defensive line that was second in the league and pressure right so it's good on good there the other thing. I think we want to watch for here's steelers safety sean davis. Davis hasn't practice in a while with an ankle injury. They're calling him questionable for this game. Tomlin is a real stickler about guys practicing before they can play when it comes to injury so something to monitor their if the starting safety sean davis's out because his backup is cam kelly a guy from the af league. Hey don't don't sleep on the a. f. They the attack good ten game run or thereabouts. I think i still weren't getting paychecks. Were they. After that <hes> disbanded that's a rough go and you gotta put your body on the line. You're not getting paid for being being out there and putting yourself between the stripes so when we look at some of these other matches pain and we try and figure out new england and you mentioned that we covered these teams in great detail on the preview podcast new england has compiled a fifty nine in one straight up record in the bill belichick era when they have an individual russia russia for one hundred yards and they've covered in eighty five percent of those games last year sony michelle finished only behind saquon barkley amongst rookies as far as yards per game is concerned if you're the steelers. What do you wanna take away from new england. Since we know the patriots thrive taking away your primary option but the steelers do you make new england one dimensional. Do you want tom brady to beat you or do you just try and sell out to stop the run here yeah. I think you're selling out to stop the run. I think you're playing man press coverage. I think you're making tom. Brady tried to beat you. A deep and those are the two biggest things choke out the ground game because we looted to how run heavy the patriots got during that super bowl run last year is fifty two percent like like the final five weeks of the season so choke out the ground game us that that you know very good front seven with devin bush now included into the fold force. Tom brady to beat you d that's. That's the best way in my opinion. I wasn't sure if you're going to sit here and try and bang the drum for vance mcdonald having a coming out party where we were going to go with the steelers offense item. We'll disappointed ah well you. We didn't really get the steelers offense. I think vance mcdonald's bacon perfect time to get given. I've i've helped you with a little bit of the fan vance's my a guy a big year for him. Perfect time to get to the steelers offense because we know you mention pittsburgh wanting to choke out the run from new england. New england wants to take away what you do best aston obviously two guys that they'll be keyed on this particular matchup james connor in the backfield item magic and now we'll see juju smith schuster. He can be a bona fide number one attracting net top up to europe corner so if your new england how do you force pittsburgh to try and beat you y- you nailed it spot on right because when you look at this. I think this can tell us a lot. What about pittsburgh's offense right. We're gonna find out if there's this massive drop off. I think it's not just about the antonio brown loss luger offensive line coach mike mon- check he makes thanks a sideways move to a lesser organization in that message kind of scares me a little bit so let's hope there's no drop off in a line play for pittsburgh. That could really really hurt things. I like vance mcdonald the lot i think he's going to have an increased role in the steelers offense. It's important. I think you know guys is like ham and james washington. Take that next step. It seems like through the preseason they prefer to wide receivers with moncrieff in juju advance <unk> at the tight end position on the field and then potentially james washington as the fourth option but you kind of alluded this like these smart sophisticated teams seems like the patriots. There's going to remove him from the game completely and so it'll be tough to see. I think the patriots defense is going to be really improved. It's the deepest i've i've seen this side of the ball in ages and i think there's like this fear from the national media. You know you'll lose trae flowers to me. You know they're scheme is what dictates the pressure show and new england was eleven pressure rate last season. You bring in michael bennett. You draft chase win bitch. Jamie collins returns. I just i. I don't think there's going to be this massive. Drop off there. I think there's going to be real improvement for pittsburgh. We saw what o._c. Randy fisher did last year loves big big ben. Obviously they're buddies. Ban probably was able to dictate too much at times. The steelers increased their pass rate by percent year over year but to me. There's a game where we rely on james connor. Both rushing receiving new england was twenty six than rushing success rate last season. It came against the eighth easiest schedule of run offenses so get those guys going in the ground game. I think when you dive a little bit deeper pass receptions in yards and you look at targets output in in receiving success rate. There's a metric called tours. New england was actually twenty fifth. Defending tight ends in dead last defending running back passes so again vance mcdonald donald new show up here in connor in the other backs need to do some damage in pasquin. Metric sounds made up to me. I'm going to have to google that. When we get off the show. A lot of people come at ask go way where some of these proprietary numbers that pain comes up with normally i believe at that one i'm going to have to question a math tacoma into sunday football definitely worth the watch zhiyi as you alluded to mentioning both these teams will not only for division titles but to try and represent the a._f._c. down in your neck of the woods in early february so we'll see how the campaign kicks off often earnest but from sunday games to the season opener a later this evening if you're listening on thursday if not too bad the game already been played between the packers and the chicago bears the bears are three point favorite you do have to lay a little bit of juice year some three and a half starting to pop depending on where you look over under widely available forty thirty six to forty six and a half and we look at the packers recent run of success soldier field has really been the house that aaron rodgers and company have built now i know they lost their in december but the green bay sixteen and five against the spread and straight up over the last twenty seasons when playing in chicago it does include one playoff game as well favored in this matchup has is really dominated pain going twelve and five against the number the last seventeen meetings but we look at rookie head coaches last season. They went five straight up in their opener. One and four against the spread the only rookie head coach covered matinee doing so against the green bay packers. Let's start with the packers off. That's where the star power is. Led by aaron rodgers going going up against the bears defense without its architect in vic fangio okay so we're going to really cover this game in great detail. I don't mind that <hes> it's the first game of the season i get it. It's a weird game <hes> off season. All we've heard about is how providers editors are are fading the bears this season relative to their market price right and i get it. It's not for me ago. Let's just kind of kind of put it this way for me. It's like when i look now we now. We've lost all our listeners for thursday night game because you've already told in this game is not for you so you do that and it's busy tire you gotta tease it out. Go through all the analysis people wait around for eight to nine minutes and then. I got nothing on the game. It's it's it's. It's really like a. I think we're starting to see some some good money. Come into the market a little bit here again. It's the advantage we have is pro betters is. We don't need to bet every single game. Bookmaker has to put a number on every single game so it's like all the is underlying metrics on why chicago isn't going to be as good this year. I completely get it right. We've kind of divulge some of these in it's it's partly due to trubisky outlined that on the n._f._c. podcast so when you look at what he did last year very poor you know accuracy declined eight and a half percent on adjusted depth throws versus rookie year the interceptor will pass rate went from seventh best as a rookie to twenty-seventh in year two <hes> aw maserati mitch as apparently calling himself this year <hes> was ranked twenty seventh on intermediate passing so you look at all this regression from trubisky last year it's concerning because the bears went from facing top ten <hes> schedule of defenses to the very easiest last season and then it happened in this transition process process where you go from defensive coach to offensive brilliant mind nagy. I think the other thing here when we're projecting this decline and it's because of vic fangio being gone clearly a monster hit pagano's damn good but fangio's only so within this you know you have the regression metrics for trubisky. You have the loss of vic fangio and i think obviously when you just look it's probably impossible for this bears defense to replicate two point two takeaways per game and then you also lose bryce callahan who was a fantastic cover corner and then but again why i haven't gotten on the packers and a lot of sharp guys did early in the off season. I don't know why everyone thinks the packers offense. You're just going to be fantastic. Ask i don't get it matt will floor is just so far hasn't proven to be good. He was actually worse than malarkey in tennessee last year. That's just don't you. I just don't know how he suddenly going to get much better. Now i get that you have aaron rodgers and it should improve things but last season and i'm not a huge proponent of what what the green bay packers offense looked like previously. I don't love the former head coach there. Was this battle going on with aaron. Rodgers where he was hating is his boss us basically every single day which you look last year in the packers still finished seventh in offense of efficiency despite that dynamic of mccarthy and aaron rodgers hating each other and aaron rodgers playing on one frigging like so like this is a big step up here for matla florida kind of replicate that and do some things even better and he hasn't proven he's been able. We'll do that yet. The other scary thing for me here is we have not seen this green bay. Packers new offense really play together with all the stars. They didn't play in the preseason. Aaron rogers didn't play a preseason snap. If you read some of the comments that the offensive line is making for green bay this off season it's talked about you know the floors complex running system and how the blocking concepts have changed and they just think they just think now a five minutes later that they've got down pat in so that makes me extremely nervous with those two elements. Were you have linemen coming out who are pretty smart saying man this was is this was tough picking up these new blocking seemed. I think we got it down. Pat so week before the season. It took them five months to figure this out. None of them played together in the preseason. There could be this transition period or we find out aaron. Rodgers is just that god damn good but i don't see a scenario where green bay's offense is is peaking game. One especially against chicago's devos do we believe is a green bay can really change its identity we they were the most pass-happy team in the league last year throwing the football at a better than two out of every three offensive plays days. Do we feel that the aaron rodgers is going to be okay going with an even run pass balance. I mean i find that hard to believe in even wrap my head around in any capacity we no the greatest assistant or complementary passing game is having the ability to be balanced and running the footba. I just can't envision that the floor and rogers get on the same page when you have this is exactly wow. The offense is gonna work. I'm i'm not quite sure now. They've said all the the right things recently and aaron rogers says hey you know matt the floors and charged early on that wasn't really the vibe kind of some skepticism there from aaron rodgers in the always telling people hey. Hey you know you showed us his offense last year but it was just really the explosive chop. It's a highlight reel. You come into camp show. A highlight highlight reel plays here matt where the house arrest the offense you guys ran and it was legitimately probably only six plays on film if game from tennessee so aw that's my that's the thing nervous about here with this green bay offense is the familiarity is with that battle. I don't know what to expect because we have a team where you have aaron rodgers and it is two thousand nineteen in passing equates to wins at a three point eight times clip than it does running so oh i don't see a scenario where we can run the ball the you know as much as we saw in tennessee although apparently he loves aaron jones and i think that's going to be an interesting running back. The other thing is not just with with this game here but in general you're looking at a green bay packers offense. It's going to face one of the very toughest office. Schedules of rush defenses this year so if you are catering your offense as a play caller as a designer as a schemer. It's always he's beneficial to not run your head into brick walls in kind of devise game plans to attack opponent's weaknesses. Those are the guys that last a long time in this league guys that that can change up their game plans based on opponent weaknesses in our guys that are just saying you know what we're gonna do what we do and so let's find out what that looks like for green mbaye and that for me is why i'm kind of hesitating in staying away from this game despite there being some sharp action at four earlier in the summer but we are oh now trending back towards three and a half year. One thing that you said that i thought was interesting. I think bears repeating or at least maybe a little bit of expounding on because it doesn't necessarily pertain to a one game sample size but when you look at the whole n._f._l. Schedule over the course of the sixteen games grind. We've talked to great lengths about the bears. Sharp guys think this team is poised to regress aggress. How do you go about handling that factoring that in on a game in game out basis at a very micro level but still realizing that hey some of this stuff may not manifest itself until we look at the bears full season on a macro level yes yeah i think that's what's what's really interesting when you look at some of these teams and you look at the different markets that are in the betting space when we talk about regression happening and when we talk about professional bettors entering this market it was relative to the wind win total set at nine and a half and it was partly because of the trubisky efficiency metrics partly because the schedule increase. There's all these different little elements that say hey. I don't see chicago. Oh potentially getting to ten games but the one thing that constantly hammered home as each games its own entity so from week to week. There still could be advantages. I am still a huge huge. Matt nagy guy he's going to game plan and scheme has teams <hes> into great positions throughout the course of the season. If we find matchups we li- we're gonna have no problems backing backing chicago. I think that's kind of one thing that sometimes even me and in other professional bettors can be kind of hard headed. You know what we don't like the general outlook of this teams or just you know we're not going to back them here and that almost feels like the case of this game it's like hey we're not really worried about what green bay can do but we just you know. We don't like chicago. Ugh oh this year so we're gonna smoke green bay game one. I again a lot of guys. I know our angering bank. Good luck hope you cash just not for me and and again it's just because of the question marks of i think we find our largest edges. When we have a team that you know we are trying to buy a and the other teams the south right now for me. It's like okay chicago. Maybe a cell relative to to the window to margaret. Mcgary may really know by for me right now. Yeah i think it's it's it's definitely a great point. I mean just because you bet a win. Total doesn't mean you can approach individual teams with blinders on if you'd better team over its win total. You're not gonna bet him against the spread all sixteen games the same anyway. You're not gonna fade a team that you bet under. I will say when i look at the schedule from a ten thousand foot view. I wouldn't mind the bears winning tonight by three touchdowns and i'll leave it at that <music> seeks bad not a bad outcome six games down. I think that's what we cover today. I kind of lose track in blackout usually in the middle. I think we did a fine job. Eloquently laying out some of the marquee matchups the weekend highlighting the biggest storylines and like we said at the top of the show. I know they're going to be listeners out there. A little disappointed that we can't get to all the games but realize if we did that pain and i would never sleep these podcasts would last four hours so we'll try as easy for me to say try and highlight the marquee match ups every single week with special attention being paid to the prime time games of course thursday night sunday night and monday night football on the monday podcast the pain other than plugging the contest yet again where people can go sign up for and follow up at the board pod with all the specific details about the five gay football free role. We do have one last order order of business. The floor is yours. Let's go with four five seven buffalo plus plus the three if you remember the offseason podcasts all the way back in may this was a team that i kind of hinted at that. We were going to like this year. It was a team that we faded last in the wind total market. I i i just like them. This year the defense i i know a lot of people were saying. Hey tough to get much better than last year but i just i don't see a decline i mean i think there's an advantage there on that bills defensive front going against jets offensive line. Obviously i do believe sam. Darnold is going to be improved. I think there's still some question marks about about how the jets offense can operate out anticipate a little more tempo partly why we've seen this total go up from thirty eight and a half forty and a half and we even forty one sukey <hes> in some places because there's probably going to be a little bit more temple but i also think it means buffalo's offense is gone too i really do. I think josh allen when you look in for fantasy guys. It was the top rated fantasy quarterback from the final six weeks lessees. I think his development is important here. That brought him some weapons that i like. I am <hes>. I don't really care about shady mccoy. I don't think he's a good running back anymore at this point. I don't really think that's a loss of the guys that are better are going to get more touches now so i just like the entire vibe of what buffalo's doing love the coaching staff. I just think this right. Now is a little bit of a mismatch. I wouldn't be shocked if we i saw a number like this later on the season once we know what these two teams are were buffalo be catching like one and a half year so getting that key of three is pretty important one thing to to keep in mind. Now we talk about the importance of that familiarity divisional home dogs typically early on in the season can make for a very interesting bats and when you look at this rivalry specifically the the last thirty four games that they've played. We've seen the underdog actually go eighteen and eight. You know what i'm going to watch this so he's i so i'm not even throwing that stat out. I'm looking at my numbers and tells you how prepared i am for that but no i can definitely see. Where do i do think the other thing here is the familiarity with buffalo and mcdermott mint on with adam gates and we've seen sherm gases stolen a couple of games but mcdermott's dominated in both match ups last year. The dolphins won a game. They didn't have any business winning in miami and then mcdermott effectively got gays fire by killing them there in the final week of the season so mcdermott seems to have some pretty good success with adam gay so this is a pretty familiar matchup for him as well and you know what the mazing part is because i'm stubborn. I'm gonna make you stay on the phone so so. I don't botch this and i've actually found it. So of course i wanted to founded. I haven't heard any shuffling of the papers. I mean i'm trying to poke around a little bit. I mean i feel like a stumbling stumbling bumbling idiot here to try and get that across so the number i wanted to throw out there is that since two thousand twelve the underdog and the jets bill series is actually eighteen and sixteen ecksteen straight up so we've clearly seen dogs have a chance to bite in this particular rivalry will hope it continues here with buffalo plus three and at that stats wrong then i'll yell at the people that provide provide me some of my notes. You got help <hes> i mean i just might help help your you've got you've got more helpers. I know what to do. I mean if this we were walking into a hotel. Tell you come in with like a team of bellhop to try and carry your bags and handle all that stuff under your arms. You got super producer now royce. That's that's my guy. I'm ease hooking. Nope isn't try and he did text me yesterday and says he wants to peel back the curtain and wants to know what pains office actually look like. I tell them that's not going to happen. It's like asking the wizard of oz to try and disclose his face that it doesn't happen till the end of the movie and we got a lot more episodes about the board podcasts that go before we show everybody with. That looks like there you go yeah. Maybe maybe super bowl in miami william maybe but i appreciate all your listeners bearing with us. Up preseason is officially done. The regular season is here. We will always always make sure that we improve our content every single week throughout the course of the season paying any off final words of wisdom to our loyal listeners as they approach week one out of the n._f._l. Campaign that is it first week. Don't go too nuts. Say within your bankroll. Obviously i've been hearing people like oh god start off to a really good startled so i don't if money for the rest of the season figure out your bankroll plan in advance. That's really not a sound savvy investment strategy now so don't go too nuts in week one have your bankroll plan mapped out before you start investing in games in n._f._l. Week one in and going to do much much better like our listeners to be here the same quantity of them week one as it will be with us up until we see who's playing for the trophy in south florida for we're pain insider. I am talk followed. Both on twitter follow podcasts epoch the board sign up for the five km football free will match your wits against some of the best handicappers <unk> out there buffalo bills plus three. We'll see you.

n._f._l titans browns jacksonville football chiefs atlanta vikings rams arthur smith cleveland falcons nick foles minnesota jacksonville kansas city jaguars cowboys
Week 1 Studs & Duds + AB Reactions, The Secret Garden

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

1:07:13 hr | 1 year ago

Week 1 Studs & Duds + AB Reactions, The Secret Garden

"Now available at the grocery store white castles one of a kind slider. Oh baby make the perfect snack or centerpiece for a meal and have the same one of contests that White Castle has been serving their restaurant for years craven convenient find out for yourself why White Castle slider satisfy your crave any the time go to white castle dot com slash footballers to get one dollar off the purchase of any four or six pack. White Castle sliders well go to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from Pristina auctioned dot com studios with your hose Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Right welcome in welcome to the show the best show ever. It's going to be a good one Mike. He's here. Jason is well. Jason is very very sick. I don't know if this one jason wasn't even able to come into the studio yesterday to watch week one. He is sick at home. He sounds like some sort of. I don't know like Goblin like Chris. Prescribe Lenka Chris Goblin his voice is he's lucked. I think it's disgusting a lot. I he's lucky that he has Fridays podcast on record because you could hear it. He sounded terrible era yeah yeah no and he's like. I probably shouldn't come in on my kids are getting sick from me and I know stay home. It's not like Jake risk can't handle things. I can't get sick which is nice. No no he's impervious. He's impervious to illness. Welcome to the show Monday September ninth the fantasy fantasy footballers and it's going to be a busy show. We've got a weekly rewind. We've got oh man Dan Esi Stud Muffins. It's the opposite of the Stud Muffins Ladies and gentlemen. You know what it has been on this show for forever but we we got the new for you and you are not going to believe it. It is amazing stinkers coming your way. Thanks coming your way. It is Monday which means Monday Sunday which means that we pulled the foot clan for some of their one liner thoughts feelings emotions from the weekend. I just realized what we need for this. This drop drop but then also just like some some fun music. Oh we read it yeah. No you're right. This could be a sensational sation thing. I of the show live on the show. I think that's really the best way to do it all right. Here's what I this all right. Here's some one liners that we got from twitter. Carry on nothing to see here. Oh man that's troubling tie. Learn Murray not bad not bad james more like Lemus okay. That's just whenever you're doing a punt. It look as one who goes to this line frequently yeah. Would you rhyme yeah when you go more like Blah that it's you know it's bad Yup Yup. You know the pun is bad jared part. Are Your Birth Vanish McDonald. ooh I like that one. Vance to catch is not good no mark mandycruise. He bawled out that can be said about any and all Baltimore Ravens this weekend National Lampoon's Miami vacation uh-huh. Oh man did you see the report about everybody wanting out. Yes run for the hills booty poop and Cam Newton now all right. That's it's true no Jay Howard what a rough game for. OJ Howard big time we'll talk about that. Devante free win not if you had him but yeah not a good week. That's what they mean played against him. You were very happy the Jackson five touchdowns that is Lamar Jackson all all right. Let's define digs fantasy graves in week one he did. We were just talking before the show ten pass attempts kirk cousins yes and hopefully you you tuned in to the. The Sunday live for those of you that join me Sunday morning. Thank you also thank you for enduring the the weird technic difficulties where I sounded like a Demon Eamon. I I hear it was awesome. However that was that was absolute fades to fund eggs when he's limited which which when he's limited he's limited exactly that and that was later news over the weekend so hopefully tune into those yeah. CHECK US out on YouTube YouTube dot com slash fantasy football or subscribe click the bail updated on all sorts of things we just put a behind the scenes video on Saturday with our basically our une boxing of this new you hello yes the helmet we have onset now and follow us on twitter at the F. F. Bolers were still giving away that signed Alvin Kamara Jersey FA claimed giveaway dot Com jam-packed show. Let's get the weekly rewind all right. The weekly rewind brought to you by the sleeper APP Antonio Brown. We haven't even got to talk about it yet. ooh. The wizards strikes again. Antonio Brown released by the raiders. This was sweat Saturday morning as I opened my eyes. Yes Saturday was pure insanity if you were on twitter by one PM Pacific he had signed a one year contract with the New England patriots. The deals worth up to fifteen million found out this morning. He has a twenty twenty fully guaranteed twenty million dollar option so if things go according to plan he he will make twenty million dollars next year as a member of the New England Patriots yes so all our he lost thirty million dollars he he found it he could make fifteen this year and twenty next year and that's in two years yeah yeah so fantasy wise. Everyone wants to know. How do you look at the situation. The way that I first of all you wash New England dismantle the Pittsburgh steelers dealers last night without Antonio Brown the best receiver in football over the last seventy years now they get Antonio Brown. They get to add him to a team that saw. I mean you had production out of Philip Door set last night. Two touchdowns you had massive production rex burkhead last night who looked great looked great currently healthy apparently and then Josh Gordon Big Game Jillian adamant runs the same route out on every play. How do they not know what's coming to be reminds me shot L. Smith on this one because he he posted you know. Why is he opening every player in the same. Every play reminds me of WES Welker. I mean he's run the same route. Every single play for some reason throws the invisibility cloak over really cut right wide open because you're watching Oh. He's done it to me six times in a row. There's no way he's going to do it again. He's GonNa mix. Sit Up here. No He's just GonNa Break Open. Catch the ball and then we'll make a first down sign with his hand and then we'll proceed down the field and because people were asking for it all weekend and on twitter. I Will Acquiesce Oakland Raiders. Stop helping the Patriots. They don't need your help. You feel good about a little bit better. Did you hear what Big Ben had to say about Antonio Brown going to the Patriot did not what did he say. He went with a very adolescent. Do whatever let me translate that for our listeners that means I'm furious. What on Earth are they doing so fantasy wise. I think it I think it hurts settlement. I think hurts Gordon. I think it hurts both these players just because you cannot bring in a guy like Antonio Brown who will demand ten to twelve targets game and not hurts a the other players ceilings that doesn't mean that they can't coexist if you played Ataman Gordon Philip Dorset last night you right. You were dancing in the streets yep but I think it hurts both players. You know a player like Josh Gordon. I'll bring this up because we were talking about this before the show Josh Gordon Does Not Live on volume. He lives on on <hes> because he's he's in eighteen plus per catch player touchdowns big place. There's an argument that can be made that those aren't really. He's not going to get fewer opportunities on deep balls and things like that and his volatility is probably similar but you said you thought. Adam is going to be fine too. So are we making too much about nothing with Antonio Brown. I think I think the biggest hit for the Patriots stock. It's Josh Gordon and it'll be interesting to see what happens to James White. When you have wes Welker and or I'm I'm sorry <hes> Julian Edelman Antonio Brown. Who can both eat up the middle of the field? I went back and looked just to make sure you know I wasn't remembering things from from crazy land but when Randy Moss was dominating on the Patriots. Wes Welker who Julieta plays that role was perfectly fine the year that Randy Randy Moss at twenty three touchdowns. Wes welker hundred twelve receptions eleven hundred seventy five yards the next year they both like can I count or point that though uh-huh showing a different perspective Randy Moss did not have Josh Gordon on the other side of the field. Josh Gordon is definitely and they aren't going to throw the ball as much. which is that team they might? I don't think so well. I certainly don't think the production will be the same as last night. They didn't rush in a touchdown. They they have these games. This happens a lot brady can go from four touchdowns to one in Sarnia Michelle. Rex burkhead could have two three touchdowns on again so I'm not arguing with the fact when you you bring in the best wide receiver in football of course it has a negative impact volume wise but I just think of the guys that Wes welker is or I keep doing man. I brought him up. I fall even -ffected me as I don't expect you to be accurate. Julian Edelman will be. He's still going to be super safe yeah I I. I'm telling you he will be very very safe. As what as what you drafted him to do <hes> last night six for eighty three touchdowns yeah. That's a great game. That's what you drafted at Julian Edelman to do with the upside of a touchdown but more than five receptions actions either. He's a he's a PR guy. They get been Watson back in week. Five GRONK will probably wind up undefeated season. Patriots grits Antonio Brown though I view this as a better efficiency situation lower volume situation then what he would had an Oakland. I don't think the targets are going to be what they would have been in Oakland agreed but I you know you're with the better quarterback on a better offense. Oh I don't really view them any different than where I would have ranked him draft season wise with Oakland. Do you agree with Yup okay well. We'll talk more about the Patriots. I bet over the course of this year. Injury Wise Nick foles diagnosed with a broken collarbone out indefinitely Gardner Herman. Shoe is the starting quarterback and company line. They feel comfortable with that. I feel they feel real. Oh good about it I wouldn't but D- he was fine yeah. He came in for what he had to do. I think it was a six round peg. He came came in and he played very well. Can I just if you WANNA yell at the Raiders for letting the Patriots Have Antonio Brown. Can I yell at the Jacksonville Jaguars for being an undisciplined team that is just fully disappointing all of their fans this defense. What miles does your throne from the Game Leonard for net getting into it after every single play Jalen Ramsey getting into it in the end zone on every single play. You got torched people and now you're going to be the backbone of this team. While Gardner minhsiu leads the offense Dede Westbrook ended up in third position in this game. Dj <unk> chart and Chris Conley Better Games than Westbrook and Westbrook had that connection with falls this house to be concerning for you. Yes the U. But for for owners I mean because you you own west like third half of the argument for why I liked my Sweetie Dede Westbrook so much coach was nick false. I don't know what Gartner the secret garden. Did you ever read that home. I remember that Yeah Yeah. That was painful. Yeah hopefully hopefully Gardner means she was this is better than the secret garden he came in and went like eleven eleven eleven to open his career. tyreek hill exited with a collarbone issue. This is a major story guys. Rappaport says the chiefs chiefs are going to take a couple days before deciding. St- why Re Kills Future Utah options could be missing a few games. It could be designated return. I miss this part yeah yeah so yeah. That's a Lizard Mike. I get what you're doing with your voice. He's the Lizard King. Can I speak for Jason this. It's morning. He's very happy. He's very pleased to see. I I still think that you should try to guard Sammy Watkins that that would be step one and we want to stop him but he did break his career record for yardage and we want and I was talking to Jason a little bit last night with no Tyreek Hill for an indefinite period of time. How high do you bring Sammy Watkins in the landscape of offensive weapons and he's gotta be a top fifteen gene guy with top five upset and I think what you're trying to say. Is By invocation we live. We self actualize vibrate. We are reborn. Thank you Mike. Thank you. I'm not trying to say that but I appreciate the wise words from Sami Walking. If you I it came to my attention people don't know why we call the Lizard King well well. It's very simple. He claimed to be a lizard person on twitter yeah with a straight face. He said I'm a whole different species. I'm convinced I'm not a human never was a more like an advanced reptilian solar being very powerful. It kind of scares me. Ll Okay that sounds made eight up but it's not don't care because the lizard is coming lizards lizard or human both the fantasy points count the saint and so he's called the Lizard King and he was the king of that field last night looked super fast. He's not on my teams yeah. That's got to feel bad maybe because he feels that every other week so if he stays healthy he's going to dominate yes. I mean no doubt about it. After what you saw last night kill even the field you need to think about McCall hardman because Taibbi Gillen's up on I are designated to return and with Sammy Watkins Health being kind of you know things you absolutely the Lizard King is his body is a little bit fragile. Hardman will be in an ad and but like the cops I had seen to tyreek hill the the injury the same amount of time to come back were averaged about four to five weeks so this. I are designated to return things shocking to me yeah. Maybe the injury is worse than what became a medical issue not just orthopedic issue right. It became something he he's in the hospital under observation. I'm not going to pretend to be a doctor from this point forward but he he he's got an issue that has prolonged and they need to be careful with it. Tevin Coleman Ankle sprain going to Miss Time Matt Breda is the starter yes and and most will get work. Colonel Mustard is back and he's a he's a fine player. Yes yes the way that we looked at Coleman amrita. You know one uh-huh a running back to one's a flex play. That's how I'M GONNA look at most enough as a flex play. Tomorrow's the waivers show but I'm GonNa put you on spot Mike. Most if you picking somebody somebody up deeper league. Whatever would you pick most hurt or would you pick up. Mike Davis I would pick a moon most now as what i Mike Williams knee injury forced from the Sunday game. I don't have any other news on that as of this time Brooke shaking his head. I'm watching you call. You're calling all of your people and they have no information for nothing yet. Juju Smith Schuster limped off. He expects to be ready for we too. There was a report court this morning. He was getting xrays precautionary but Juju Toe Injury Fourth quarter of the whooping they experienced last night. Albert Wilson exited with the injury jewelry. <hes> Devin funchess suffered a broken collarbone pay attention to Dion Cain Yup pay attention to Dion Cain who should start on in place of Devin funchess will diz league come on man. This music music's too happy. That sounds like he's okay. He exited with a knee injury yet. This is that's unfortunate. Oak You come back from the injury that will there's is. Lee suffered. Reactivation of something of else's is very possible. Adrian Peterson Damian Harris Jordan Reed all did not play play. Peterson and Harris were healthy inactive. This was the problem with deeming Harris all along I did not the math never added up for him. Being active on Game Day if Michelle Birkhead and and company special teams weapons were ready to rumble James White so no a pivo monitor this situation fantasy owners because Peterson's not happy the team's not happy guys went ten for eighteen and Peterson unhappy generally just leaves town at this point is career the last time he he was unhappy he got traded from New Orleans to the cardinals and this could happen again if they want to go forward with guys and guys alone then it's not just guys like it's the inactive nature of Adrian Peterson that actually made it a lot easier to know what Washington was going to do with the backfield. You knew that that had it was guys and that Chris Thompson is going to be involved in and Thompson was right back in there getting all that passing work if you if you can safely remove SUV yourself as far away from any Miami Dolphin as you as you possibly can Ryan Fitzpatrick pulled in the second half of this game it was a i. I believe Baltimore go to score one hundred points on them if they wanted to sure so it's not it's not a pretty picture. Miami right now and I believe they have New England. You are correct okay. That's not going to be good all right. Weekly rewind news knows brought to you by the sleeper ABC Domus a single piece of fantasy news. We're GONNA get into the Stud Muffins. We're going to get into the stinkers. We're GONNA talk so so much today about fantasy football isn't that right Mike. That's right before we do that. We want to today's sponsor. Oh you know we've been talking about it for a while and get high every single time because world of warcraft classic is available now okay. I've been playing get back into as a Roth Ladies and gentlemen coming just in time for the Games fifteenth anniversary. The world of warcraft craft classic invites players to returned to the world of ADS. Roth just as it was during its earliest days. This faithful authentic recreation captures that danger danger danger danger the excitement glory of the original game. I love world of warcraft. I wish I was in there right. Now I have been in there is the perfect antidote to twitter yeah. That's that's not bad at all. If you want to jump in there so much more to discover and explore wild classic is included looted with your regular world of warcraft subscription at no additional cost you can switch between the original experience that Oh gee and the latest content as you see Fit World War craft classic is available to play right now head to while classic dot. com slash fantasy footballers to learn all about it and get ready to relive the legend. What's that the address again. Mike Wow Classic dot com slash fantasy footballer. Okay and we also WanNa think light stream is very simple yeah. If you refinance your credit card balances you can lower the interest rate. You're paying on them. It can save you money and what they do is they give credit card consolidation loan. They bring all those credit card debts that you're dealing with together and it can be five point nine five percent. Apr a normal credit cards probably stinging you for like nineteen twenty percents percents APR Patriots Passing. It's not yet which is painful if you're on the other end of it and so basically it's it's that simple light stream provides these credit card consolidation allegation loans <hes> with auto pay five point nine five percent and you can save thousands in interest can help you clean up whatever debt you have going on and the only way way to get that discount is to go to light stream dot com slash footballers. It's subject to credit approval. The rate includes a point five percent auto pay discount terms and conditions supply and offers are subject to change without notice visit lights dream dot com slash footballers for more information. That's ally H. T. S. T. R. E. A. M. Dot dot com slash footballers this week's fantasy stud muffins. We're GONNA talk about the studs before the duds heads before the duds and I realized no matter how many warnings you give yourself or those around around you. It's impossible not to overreact week one. It's a tour I think if you did one of those sports science things you analyzed all of the <hes> the brain chemistry in a fantasy football player it would be it would be proven that it's impossible for people not to react because if you can buy. Brooks this is nodding if you combine anticipation and you multiply it by twitter then you end up in tilt. I think the end result of that is tilt squared yes so let's talk about the studs. Let's talk about the duds. Let's talk about these big time performances. Let's not project them over sixteen eighteen weeks statistically. Let's talk about what we liked and what we didn't like. Lamar Jackson was by your seventeen for twenty three twenty four and five. He didn't even run the ball. I loved his comment in the press. Conference said pretty good for running back right off aw three four six underground didn't need it so here. He is one of the hardest week one breakdowns sounds that you have to do because he he hit on everything he only threw the ball twenty times but three hundred twenty four yards that's outrageous but he was playing the Miami. Dolphins who are trusting the process and as you heard say half the team is already trying to get traded off of the team so so it's it's tough to say that this is the normal for Lamar Jackson but his success with Hollywood marquees. Brown was was unbelievable. Ah Hovering over the breaking news button. I'm not willing to hit it over. They asked the Jaguars have just traded for steelers quarterback. Joshua Dobbs okay the fifth round pick so they're adding depth behind MINHSIU. They're so confident immense you. They just traded a fifth round pick for John John. You know you need depth but you could have hired somebody off. Alpha the off. The street could've brought in a veteran off the street too so I wouldn't say that confident sure but you can continue on your shore Jackson Jackson died. Yes take your week one Victory Laugh Lamar Jackson Truth irs of of He's going to be better throwing the ball absolutely well. It's well deserved I will but he's a are you with me. Though that like breaking down his future is is tougher than some of these guys who had a smash week one. I I would say that his future is bright because he didn't lean on what he needed to get fantasy points last year. We've talked about how he finished the season last year and it was all of these games that were not top end explosion. This is the first time he's ever done this right so yes are. The Ravens ends as good as they were against the dolphins. Every week of the year. No are the steelers as bad as they were against the Patriots every week of the year. No but Lamar Jackson should be as safe a quarterback quarterback as it gets and you got to see Mark Andrews in Hollywood Brown in the impact on the offense even Mark Ingram moving the ball on the ground around. You got to see some of that and that should validated. I think any hope you had for the office to be really good. This is a great team so they have Amazon at home next week. Then they go on the road against Kansas City then they face Cleveland who just gave up forty three at home against the titans it should be smooth sailing for Lamar Mark Jackson for the next four weeks yeah he said three weeks so and they're at home in two thirds of those games so Lamar is set up started and if you drafted grafted them late and you had another option you know like Janus you can go and cut him Yup. Go with the one quarterback system right now so <hes> he had a monster game DAK Prescott home man. I will say this. Oh Man Twenty five for thirty two four or five and four four again. You don't want to evaluate the entire season by one week. This looked really good. There was no team. I was more impressed with in Dallas this week and that is a top to bottom analysis situation. I wanted to see Kelly Moore. Dak was driving the ball downfield repeatedly Gallup Cooper Zeke was back. The offensive line looked incredible. I was so jealous as a cardinal fan watching this offensive line give deck time. It just changes everything you can't. You can't call a downfield passing offense without protection. It's impossible so they were incredibly impressive. Have Washington coming up Miami New Orleans Mike. What do you think about that deck. He was is one of our values in the ultimate draft kit and I am. I like the Mar and but I'm I'm sad I don't have that and more places like the impact of Kellen Moore as the OC. This was not the cowboys of the last three years who are they. They have great pieces but it just never pans out because you're. OC is is living in nineteen eighties football through his motion all over the place. They're creating mismatches. The offensive line is dominant once again. I think deck is going to be a incredible fantasy wide receiver guest. This was against the Geneva quarterback even did I. What did I call them a wide receiver. Oh I doubt his wide receiver production will be what is quarterback production is it was against the New York giants yes so we're taking with a little bit of a grain of salt but just like the Mark Jackson. Let's look at the schedule Washington Miami. Those are the next two teams on the docket for Dak Prescott is going to be a great start and he had only thrown for three hundred yards in five of his forty eight career starts before this I expect more downfield passing from Kellen Moore and with a healthy Amari Mario Cooper and Michael Gallup. Both those players can win one on one match ups. Both those players can come down with the fifty fifty ball. That's why like it case keenum big week. Patrick mahomes against Jacksonville Jacksonville did not stop Patrick Mahomes Patrick Mahomes. I believe had the most I passing yardage in his career in the first half so he's pretty good but now without tyreek do you downgrade your expectations for Patrick Mahomes at all as Oakland Baltimore Detroit coming up no considering he did this with basically without Tyreek Hill. I mean that's true. The this is this is where we get to really see the second round draft pick Nicole Hardman Carson wentz Matthew Stafford. Tom Brady Marcus Mariota. Very efficient mission helps when a screen pass seventy five or the house the Derrick Henry probably an outlier to me. I wouldn't be leaning on Mario in fantasy leagues. No I would not but it well. Let's Matthew Stafford to me. That was just that was the matchup instead of staffers a good quarterback. If he's an a-plus matchup he can do these types of things he also had overtime to to help pat some of his numbers but Tom Brady. I didn't draft Tom. Brady anywhere. I wanted nothing to do with him. It's probably on some waiver wires. He is probably on some waiver wires. What is your kind of gut reaction to that performance of three hundred forty one yards and three touchdowns for touchdown Tommy. He's a top opt-in quarterback okay with Antonio Brown. That's what I think doesn't mean you're not you got volatility problems in New England at all times because they could run in four touchdowns on certain week and Tom Brady isn't the you know. I don't think that they're building this offense for him to do you know to go four hundred and four every week like twenty seventeen but the weapons are unbelievable unbelievable. He still got it and he gets to go play. Miami next week so you have Tom Brady. You just start. 'em Up and smile. Philip Rivers Big Game Mike. He said we we didn't talk about Philip Rivers. He's in the Nancy Stanford Stream in the right matchup category to me and they play each other next week so I would rather have rivers next week then and I would Matthew Stafford. Is that fair for running backs with big games Christian McCaffrey. You know he's good. He's one of the top ten running backs that at delivered in a big way for you. It's just funny the all that talk out of Carolina we gotTa get Christian McCaffrey some help. We've got to get some rest. No Damn will still that game known for eighty one through the air eleven targets yeah and Kim was bear Cam Newton <hes>. I got a little nauseous watching play but not Christian McCaffrey Monster Game. How about this Austin actor three touchdowns twelve for fifty eight and one on the ground six ninety six to through the air. He was the offense the fourth player in the last tin seasons with one hundred and fifty scrimmage yards and three touchdowns in a season opener tyreek didn't twenty eighteen. Kareem hunt did in two thousand Seventeen Arian foster this this was out in two thousand ten. This was outstanding my my my insane prediction of Austin Ecuador as a running back one off to a very hot hot start house Melvin Gordon feeling watching his teams having no problem on offense without him. <hes> probably bad mike probably he's still didn't get paid and there were reports. He's coming back week six through eight this weekend. We'll see that was reported so he might want to Scoot Gupta time up and that's that's the only part that's the only danger of any Austin actor just Jackson hype sure. It's just the fact that the day that Melvin Gordon walks back into the building with his tail between his legs he will hurt Austin in Austin Justin Jackson. The the snap counts that people were like we had to see it. It was Austin this. They did what they've done in the past and what they did in the preseason they did not do what they've said of. If this fifty fifty stuff the necker big games Derrick Henry Marlon Marlon Mac twenty five for one seventy four in one through one week the colts look like a very talented team which is not the same team. We had twenty seventeen hundred Jacoby percent. Yes they lost the game in in overtime but they came back twenty four twenty four a good defense against the chargers mylan Mac 174 Mico. What is the truth of Marla Mac <hes>. It's tough because next week on the road that should be a tougher match because going into halftime. MARLOW AMAC had eight carries for twenty one yards well second second second half player Mike. I'm not taking that away from just saying that it looked really really bad for a half and then he any busted off a career long sixty three yard touchdown run that certainly help things out but I was on the side of I think that the colts it's going to be really tough to trust any of their their fantasy weapons but we'll see what happens proven wrong week. One Derrick Henry Dalvin Cook Derrick Henry the continues in Cleveland thought it would would be tough for him to get moving but game script and this one lent itself to a lot of carries late. They generally win when Derrick Henry gets a a lot of carries and the the day was made on a on his one reception. Yes misdirection play seventy five yards up the sideline. Look slow on film. What was really fast on the strike. It was like a Gazelle watching is it's impossible to gauge what is happening because you'd and like this this man. I could beat this guy in a foot race meanwhile the NFL to catch. You get soup so it's so wild. Do you expect things to continue for Derrick Henry. I think he'll be fine play but if you're expecting hundred fifty total yards in two touchdowns every week then. I think you're going to be upset a big weeks from Delvin Cook Mark Ingram David Johnson Chris Carson a couple of touchdowns including this headline yes six receptions for Chris Chris Carson Carson so far so good for my guy. You know it's this is fantastic news for Chris Carson. I mean not super efficient. I don't like six receptions for thirty five yards. That's that's not what you're hoping for but when they couldn't get the run game going they started throwing the ball the Chris Carson Russell so Wilson only through the ball twenty times and six receptions for Chris Carson so it's looking very well for for Carson to be a workhorse and be awesome. I agree with you yeah. It's looking good love Bell Nice Nice First Week. Six for thirty two and a touchdown through the air seventeen carries sixty yards got has cleveland next week and then do we want to talk about the Malcolm Brown Todd Gurley thing. You have to talk about it. Just from the the the the structure structure that they were splitting time Todd Gurley did not get any goal line carries tiger that was actually most used at the end of the game so it was this was upside down. What we thought would happen while the game was not. The game was not put away so girly had the majority of the snaps right. I mean the snaps fifty three. Yes Malcolm Malcolm Brown twenty one but Malcolm Brown with two touchdowns that he'll be a popular pickup. Maybe he should be. I think he was yeah. He should be picked up but that's the problem for Girlie. Girlie was fine. Fourteen for ninety seven started gouging the defense at the end of the game but they went to Malcolm Brown in the high fantasy scoring plays Malcolm Brown head to rushing touchdowns. I'm trying not to freak out over week one but that's that's that's pretty scary. There were things to like about girly in week one. He looked explosive. The majority of the snaps there were things to not like the you know the fact that it was you know fourteen in total carries in the game in a competitive game where Malcolm Brown had eleven one target but the these were kind of their red flags for girly. We knew that that the girly of old those days were done yeah so maybe we saw our first preview. I think they're going to be very good weeks for Todd Gurley but I think that you're also GonNa have weeks like this where you're just kind of frustrated as girly owner saying already got ninety seven yards on the ground very efficient very efficient. He has the capability of being that Alvin Chimera efficiency in this offense but he's cast to get goaling. He does to provide value based on where you draft yeah. You're for a player that you drafted at the back of the first early seconds ninety. Seven yards wasn't what you were hoping for all right. I encouraged our listeners to follow Robert Wilson one of our staff writers at the F. F F gator. He was dropping the fire on twitter this weekend and he wrote in article ten things we learned in week one. It's on the website. The fantasy football dot com quoting him. He's the NFL is becoming a league. That's dominated by one thing that is speed. Look at this week that studs at the Wide Wide Receiver Position Sammy Watkins the Lizard King Nine for one ninety eight in three on eleven eleven targets Oakland Baltimore Detroit coming up to Sean Jackson stole my soul this weekend and I don't even know how to feel because because the Sean Jackson was eight months before into tin targets. I own them in every league. Every how long have I been talking about this on Jack. This is why you should feel bad because because you will you looked in the mirror and you said now I fall. I'm going to bench him. It's my fault eh them in every League frigging Marvin Jones in my roster Desha Sean Jackson on my bench and I want to be happy but I am sad because I was worried about the finger and I tell you what Mike I had them in my lineup in our League of record ten minutes before game time you know what swayed me on the fence. I had you have Emmanuel Sanders. There's I'm on the fence with this decision. One of these knuckleheads comes on the TV and says says to Sean Jackson. Put the splint on any said quote. It's it's no. It's like nothing I've ever felt in my life as a DJ. Jack said he's a wide receiver. He's he said. It's like nothing. I've ever played with that. Was the quote like in a good way. No not a good way not a magic splint Mike well. It's a negative connotation so I said you know what maybe he's there to take the top the defense. NBA Pretend to stretch. Maybe I'll out think myself today. That's what I said to myself and I did and he's on I would have went on my leagues yeah but right but he was great for one fifty four and two and the ten targets now changes the team it changes Carson Wentz man the one hundred percent one hundred percent and changes Carson Wentz however if you watch the game Washington strangely got <music> out to an early lead and Philadelphia had to come back. Philadelphia covered their massive spread but now they didn't they didn't know that's that's right. That's right I apologize. They were knockout. They had it covered ten seconds. That's correct have but they had to come back yep so I don't expect for details on a weekly basis but Harry's built in is pretty nice. There's more truth than Mirage with the Sean Jackson sure in this performance but you are right. They had to come back there to throw the ball. ATLANTA DETROIT COMING UP John Ross seven for one fifty eight and two on twelve target. This one's sounds fascinating. Is he legitimate. We'll talk more on the waiver show tomorrow. Is there more Mirage here against Seattle. The two big take time plays the two touchdowns John Ross just scores touchdowns career has been either an normally they've been like one one for one yard and Justin and in the hard thing to decipher John Ross. I'm excited to go back and watch but twelve targets. That's incredible volume but is is the the Seattle secondary just that bad. I think you're going to be really disappointed in John. Ross next week ago conference Cisco Okay but you're going to have to make that call and waiver day whether you like him more than some of the other names that we bring up. It certainly was I. I'm sure somewhere. Marvin Lewis is going yeah buddy. He was the first room basement. I spent that first round pick on him. He's really fast. He looked speed dominated marquees. Hollywood Brown for one forty seven into the hype the performance formation's the Ravens Lamar Markey's Brown will be one of the most targeted free agent wide receivers. Yes he played twelve snaps. Mike Yeah that's what I was is hoping we would bring up so is that a good or bad thing though because you can spin it both directions right. He only played twelve snaps so four for forty seven and two. That's an anomaly the other way. He's banged up. He could only play twelve snaps look what he did with it. More snaps are coming for Hollywood. Brown and this team looked amazing the I would say. It's great because you know Oh. That's very similar. This is like a it's like tyreek hill. Markey's Brown is just GONNA be faster than everybody but it's bad from the the point of wind. Does he actually going to get serious snaps because you see you can't just do this on on ten to twelve snaps every single week and people are going to pay huge amounts of money to get him off the waiver wire and in the realm of possibilities Markey's Brown next week one for seven seven and then that's the that's where it's bad news is that would you rather have the Sean Jackson Markey's Brown. Dj Okay. I assume Brown over John Ross. I think that's probably definite for me only because John Ross is not going to represent the one in that offense and there's a time when Eiji Greens returning Markey's Brown could volve into the one yeah he could. You've talked me into it T. Y. Hilton eight for eighty seven and two on nine targets against the chargers defense to Im Lorraine game. Really T. Y. Hilton like he and his game and then you had some of these other anomalous this games. We won't spend too much time on 'em. We'll talk more on the waiver show tomorrow but Philip Dorset couple touchdowns. Terry McLaren had a big touchdown also and he was one of those undrafted gyms. I know you love Mike Well. I do as a kind of like pay attention to him. He got deep wide open again later. In the game speed kills man Dan and he was opened case keenum missed him on the second one but looked very interesting in this game and they might be coming back a lot. There's a lot there's some kind of sneaky. He Terry McLaren upside the rookies this week Markey's Brown Jay Brown Terry McLaren. There's another rookie too who are people are going to lose their minds for or we're not to his position yet though yeah yeah. I know I know <hes> John Brown John Brown was seven for one twenty three and one on ten targets gets John Brown is he's a big pick. He is very very interesting off of the waiver wire. We move we we Miss Keenan Allen but this is what I had talked about if Mel when Melvin Gordon is out Kim now is going to be freaking outrageous and if Mike Williams is hard is going to go even more and more targeted truly truly. Larry Fitzgerald will not die die for one thirteen one and this is not just a thirteen targets for Larry if you want to. We didn't even talk about Kyle Murray or that Game Carla. Marie ended up with almost thirty fantasy points. They practically all came in the fourth quarter. The offense looked atrocious like a train wreck like we were weeping. I think yes all right. We're large period of time. <hes> <hes> of that game and then everything switched when he started throwing the ball to Larry Fitzgerald and Larry made play after play after play diving catches getting loose deep <hes> Larry are are you interested in him on the basis of this offense coming alive yeah and I think that he's he's sneaky like these other wide receivers. There's a lot of wide receivers who were going to be very popular in the waiver wire. I think you might be able to get fits a little bit cheaper and what you're hoping for is when the offense finally clicked and you there was there was a press conference with cliff. Kingsbury where he came out and he openly admitted that he screwed up on the I got tired. Can you got to cute and the begins changed philosophy and to his credit it turned things around for the cards yes so. I think that Larry could be sneaky pickup. Uh on fortunately he's on the road against the Baltimore Ravens next week. Yeah Avenue Ingram. TJ Hopkinson Mark Andrews Delaney Walker with five for blitz so real home runs here for our value tight ends Mark Andrews Eight for one zero eight and one a love it Arizona next week. Arizona just gave up six for one thirty one in one two T J Hopkinson in his debut. TJ Hopkinson is very good football player. He will be on the field for one hundred percent of snaps that is all I'm. GonNa say we'll talk more Tamar. Oh really do you believe Mike. I get the impression from you that you I believe this is less indicative of the season Deontay Hopkinson rookie tight end it. He is extremely difficult because he has a great player. He's got that top ten draft pedigree like he's he's great but the cardinal's defense is so bad bad like the two big plays. It's it's hard. I'm not trying to take away from what they did but the two big plays were so broken again by the defense of the car his touchdown Hopkinson had time to sit down. He built a Campfire Yep. He built one of those like the real hard to put together tents. This wasn't just a papa. I don't know a whole bunch of those stick pieces and you had the strength to the crowd. He got like five Eagle Scouts to come help him. mm-hmm set up camp in in the end zone. I don't think it's a credit to Eagle Scouts if it takes five of them to build a tent well he just wanted to give them the experience being on the NFL field during an actual play because most cardinals defense gave <hes> there were four players that couldn't stop the play Hopkinson though he also had a huge play play down the sideline. He's got speed Awareness Pass catching capabilities and Matthew Staffers GonNa Fall in love with him. That's what I believe okay and so when you look at Hopkinson in potential upside is six thirty one thirty one. GonNa Happen every week. No not even close because you should also throw in then on in the same breath. Danny Amendola Woah wit seven for one four with a touchdown his teammate and if you're like looking at Danny Amendola that's that's possible able to do then you at least have to be aware of what happened with Hopkinson as well all right. We talked about the STUDS. It's time to talk about the duds stinkers of the week presented by odor eaters. That's right foot claim this. This is not the stickers are brought to you by odor eaters. This stink stink was so bad for some of these players players this week that I think only odor eaters and a high dose would be enough to. I'm so excited protect you from what happened and but I will say this if you need if you need to breathe a little bit if you need to calm down a little bit if you're tilting. I've gotten twitter messages there's about do. I sell sell sell. Somebody sent me a roster that was great had Sony Michelle in it. Do I sell everything do I. Is it all over for me. Go look at our consistency the chart okay. It's the best PLA- devante atoms. Are you selling Davante Adams. Mike no okay. Did he have a good week. No okay. It's never a sixteen for sixteen other than maybe one or two guys every year. You know Saquon didn't score. He's he was fine because he saquon the rest of these players. You're playing probability. This whole show is predicated on. We try to analyze the matchups. Bring you as many good players as we can that we liked that. We're we're playing and we go down with the same ship I mean. I've been since John Jackson because we sat on the show. I'm worried about the finger is going to be active an an hour before game time. It was like okay he will be active and I played the Lizard King. You played the Lizard. Kim and I'm and I don't have to play. I won only because of him because the rest of my team we're GONNA talk about the rest of your team and we are stinkers. Let's start my quarterback stinkers the week at the quarterback position Cam Newton. Oh Yeah I had at him. Jaimes Winston Jared Garver who looked so bad he looked he looked helix for bisky out there he really did that's. I was GONNA say the same thing. Baker Cure Mayfield three picks. Oh this offensive line looks like it's in trouble and then Big Ben couldn't figure out who to throw the ball to outside side of Juju. This offense looks troubling so Cam Winston Golf Mayfield big band. Who are you most worried about. I'm I'm cutting James <music>. I'm moving on a until I see some sort of actual hot streak from Winston where it looks like Bruce Arians and company has things under control because for him to go up against San Francisco and and the performance that he put up to his credit he did throw two touchdowns cameron break neither of which counted but James was bad. He's back in Derry looks a lot better. I will give them that. They look like much better team than the team that give it twenty five points a game aim and one zero five passer rating and that's the thing that you you know turnover year to year. They look better defense. I tweeted that Jameis Winston Sucks football and Bruce Arians. I can't do anything about it and it's it's an unfair statement but unfortunately but you can suck it football and be great for fantasy sure so don't I wouldn't be I mean look. You drafted Jameis Winston so late that you don't need to keep him. There's no need but streaming Winston on once we figure out what defenses are are vulnerable this year. I'm fine with it. Okay because Bruce Arians is going to drive the ball down the field so as much as hard as it was to watch fadeaway interception Jameis Winston then again. He's sucked his whole career. Let's be clear he's never been good at winning. He's not your franchise savior. He's not the player. That's that's going to take you to the fantasy promised land. He's never been that though this didn't just change in week one. Oh my gosh he's still had huge fantasy weeks before and he's got. Chris Godwin in Mike Evans and they'll probably be better in the future and to be fair for James I mean. OJ Howard was like he had some really bad. Wonders bad drop a really bad fumble that costs the cost. The buccaneers a lot and Mike Evans who look there was no way I was benching Mike Evans but he showed up uh on the practice report on Friday with an illness and it looked like Mike Evans was not at one hundred percent. Maybe he had watched Jameis Winston. Throw the ball on film. Maybe that's what had him feeling now sure Cam Newton. It was a bad game twenty-five thirty eight to thirty nine I I'm. I'm going to give him a pass. He's coming off the ankle injury right. Newton has a way of looking bad at timing off of his shoulder. Sorry yeah well the shoulder injury. You're talking about on the off season. <hes> yes yeah like in in the in the preseason he we didn't even know if he's going to be active so he's coming off of a couple things. He still has Christian McCaffrey which solves a lot of problems for aurum jared. Goff on the road has not been as good. We brought this up last week. He's not that he's not a trustworthy fantasy quarterback on the road now. He has to come home but play New Orleans defense next week. It's GonNa be interesting to see what he's got. If you can bounce back I would expect better things from him next week. I would too even though as New Orleans D Baker Mayfield Rut row India. You saw the kind of get down half to force. What's the ball try to be the savior. Nick couldn't get going the game script wasn't nice probably better days ahead for Baker Mayfield but this this is really embarrassing it. It certainly was but on the next week Big Ben. I've already been out on the steelers. I'm not in on them. After that performance he needs better weapons. It will be interesting thing to see what the steelers do to change things up because they cannot. You can't give Moncrieff for another ten targets like Dante Moncrieff. He doesn't deserve of it was partially responsible for this loss. He was bad he was real bad and now they'll be at home against Seattle and Seattle just made Andy Dalton. John Ross look pretty good sure so bounceback opportunity but those were the stinkers quarterback <hes> you get stinkers of the week time at running back and there were several. Are you hitting the panic alarm on any of these guys. Mike devante Freeman eight for nineteen. What is most troubling about Devante Freeman. <hes> is the offensive offensive line play the Vikings now. The Vikings are great upfront but the Vikings control the entire game because they're they're defensive. Defensive Line was manhandling the Falcons offensive line. Freeman did have a fumble seemed like he was getting punished for that game scripts or it seemed like like this isn't we can actually come back so maybe maybe it is just right back to the old fifty fifty timeshare with Devante Freeman. I'm still optimistic. The mystic that this was just a game that got out of control. I think I am too James Connor Against New England ten for twenty one four for forty four through through the air. I get to water you and Jason this week. Unfortunately you do so Seattle next. You're on the one yard line Pittsburgh. Let's throw a free to moncrieff idea. Even Kurt Warner was burning the steelers for that decision but even if he scores a touchdown there yeah he salvages the day but Seattle San Francisco <hes> better days ahead for James. Yes kerryon Johnson. I'm not hitting any buttons <hes> <hes> Well No I. I can hit a button for it. <hes> sixteen for forty nine this was supposed to be a very plus matchup. I think that's the problem yard started the week for Jason. I'd be optimistic about sixteen. Carey's didn't break any big plays. Place didn't get enough work when you wanted him on the field. I'm not gonNA take a carry on victory lap. This is just the problem with Detroit Matt Patricia Tricia running back by committee. This is a game where they were up and he should have done more planes twenty four to six Murray comes back and I think that Patricia will realize I mean carry on Johnson was still in for fifty snaps. I mean he was in for over half of them. Pass Protection Texan issues though there are pass protection issues but I'm it's. It's a little concerning okay. Well well prescription wise. I mean we'll talk more tomorrow but are you when you say concerning. Are you adjusting expectation. Yes this isn't I'm trying to fire ourself carry on Johnson's. Just maybe you've got to adjust what we are what we are hoping for okay. Sony Michelle Against Pittsburgh. This is so weird. Fifteen carries fourteen yards no golden opportunities. They threw the ball the whole game rex burkhead looked like Philip Lindsay. Sony Michelle looked like Royce Freeman last year every every time he got it touch. No running room made nothing out of it didn't get involved in the passing game. This is a bad game from Sony Michelle when they had you know I i. It was just that surprise. You Rex Burkhead I. I think we're all flabbergasted by this week. He sucked got Miami next week should be better should be better. Kenyan Drake Kaelin Balaj combined to put them on this list. I mean I would put them on the list because yeah I mean I was hopefully people weren't yeah. Hopefully you're starting yeah. That's a good point so but you you didn't see anything from that game that made you believe there could ever be started four carries five carries. Its ugly. Stay away. Stay away and then dairies they binge Adrian. Peterson the hand him the ball ten times. The only gains eighteen yards didn't look particularly special to me on the field. This is a team that you know you could have a lot of Chris Thompson this year yeah if if they're coming from behind yeah Chris Thompson he was a great late round flyer. He's going to be a very popular pickup as well. At the wide receiver position stinkers thinkers this week Devante out Mike Evans Brandin cooks talked about Stefan Digs Robbie Anderson had a number of chances in this game ended up Yup only three hundred twenty three facing today white. I throw this game out the window. I liked to get selected downfield. Opportunities Robbie interests always been a player if he catches one or two of those he's at the top of the list and the speed demons that one the week yeah. I'm not worried about Robbie Anderson. I am targets to Jamison crowder. Oh Yeah crowder eight credit credited. Pr Machine router eight. He had a fantastic fantasy game for Robbie. Though there was at least two times I can remember off the top of my head where he had the defender Vendor beat. Yes and Darnold just made a poor throw. Dante Pettis Goodbye had to snaps now now. He is dealing with the injury. I don't know if you re aggravated hope he probably reaggravated owners this grossed and there were six forty niners receiving more targets receptions opportunities than Dante Pettis Yep Dante Doghouse mccollum and they won the game by the way it's run the football game what a crazy off-season for. Dante Pettis said and this is where we are now after week one yeah I mean people got mad at the hard pivot but when when you get new information in China see you gotta pivot you just have to change your you do and and that goes for this week to that goes for on into the season you react you. Adjust you react you readjust. That's that's how you win. You don't win at the draft. You set the table and you move on. That's what this show is. We're trying to provide you as many tools as possible to make AAC adjustment decisions. 'CAUSE we're making them to write ryegrass. Thank you know he's sticking with Montgomery. I don't blame I'm for that. <hes> Curtis Samuel Slow start to the season had a lot to do with Cam Newton but three thirty two same. Dj More with the fumble title Corey Davis full on unmitigated slaughter of the of the Brownie full on goose AJ Brown three hundred hundred Corey Davis Goose city man he was a bus because last year we had every opportunity to be the guy and it didn't even matter his targets are last year was incredible and he still couldn't perform you can cut. Corey Davis. Yes I agree. I agree with that and then disappointing game from Sterling Shepard in my opinion six for forty two seven targets. He's not a one Mike. You've been saying the only guy I'm interested in from the passing attack would be Evan Ingram all right you had. OJ Howard Vance McDonald Old Eric Ibran Jack Doyle and Morality Cox. Oh Wow you're putting all three colts in there. Brian came down with touchdown but bobbled it jerk what made me look better but I think the one that we need to talk about right now you know. I'm less concerned about OJ Howard because he was targeted he had the fumble. You only have one more target than the guy. I imagine you're about to bring up Vance. Yep Yeah problems for Vance McDonald and here's the problem not that. I don't think he can't be productive for the rest of the year because you can. My problem is that now. What do you do because you have these? TJ Hodkinson Mark Andrews bribed other options that you might have drafted in Vance range now. What do you do next week fantastic. Seattle so where are YOU WITH MCDONALD. I mean just four targets in the game. Though the the lack of volume was incredibly surprising especially when you consider the volume they were giving to other players was now working. Why didn't you try to go to Vance McDonald a little bit earlier. I'm optimistic they will I am to that but the point you bring up of Hopkinson Mark Andrews Delaney Walkers probably out there on some waiver wires yes as well. It's really hard not to pivot to one of those guys who seem like they're more sure bet for higher volume but I- Vance McDonald Mark Andrews in my dining silly Mark Andrews on my bench this week he was keeping Sean Jackson Company while I proceeded to lose on Lake and like I said though Moncrieff we've had ten targets I it's it's hard to imagine the steelers go back and they watched what went wrong with this game and then don't get Vance McDonald Donald a little bit more involved. Yeah I mean you could put basically every steeler on the list. Oh my gosh breaking news is exactly why on Sunday morning thought about dropping eater Adrian Peterson Darius guys had an MRI hi this morning on the other non ACL Ni. He's going to miss time. The hope is that he doesn't need surgery but the team is doing a full evaluation. He gained eighteen in yards on ten carries did not look like himself. I just brought that up economic explosive. He is now going to Adrian Peterson rules again this poor or can you believe this the poor kid. I was so close to dropping Peterson because I was going to pick up somebody like John Brown on the morning earning. Just that's a that's a tip by the way if you are in a position where you can move a guy to your on Sunday morning and pick somebody else up as a flyer the two guys guys looking at this week John Brown James crowder both would have been great pre waiver pickups for free without Fab dollars kept. AP Dairies guys unbelievable on be Leibel Mauri Action on that tomorrow when we get more information. I think that's it for today. Show those were the stinkers of the week. What a stink to finish it it to the stinkers of the week presented by odor eaters odor eaters is the best in odor defense. Let's say you need to eat the odor of this week. Yes and on the outer eaters needs to do it but as a fantasy football owner in week one you need to you need to do something something to kind of. Take away the sting of anticipation disappointment because it is a long season. Go get go get a nice massage. Get A pedicure. LOOK LOOK PUT A. Dod Rising Odor Eaters into that shoe that is west assuage yourself. Is that a word. I don't know if it is it is now. I think it's a word I think the purpose of that word. If it's if I'm inventing it is just take the edge off of your of your fears. It's wild in our language. We have what's wild. Mike we have these defined words and then you'll say something yeah and everyone knows exactly what you mean by the word word. Even if it's the wrong word and you say well. That's not a real word. Nothing was a real word until someone said okay that is now a real word trying to give carte blanche on on our words Mike. I'm just saying that if I use the word at makes sense in context. It sounds like a great word. Everyone around me knows what I meant. That's a word as good enough all right that is ever today show pristine action. We want to thank them. The Studio Sponsor Marla Maxine Jersey yesterday at Pristine Auction Dot Com sixty sixty eight dollars and eighty cents. I'm GonNa give you a little tip here. You could go to Pristina auction dot Com and use the registration code ballers but what I think you should do is you should go to folklore giveaway dot com and one of the ways that you can win that. Alvin Kamara Jersey is to register a pristine auction. You'll get a little entry into the giveaway. Two birds one in stone one account free to create pristine auction dot com use the code ballers and you'll be set up with a chance to win and you can browse hundreds of daily actions that is it. I hope we Jason Back Tomorrow. I don't know if we will or not but Jaeger's will be here if not and we'll break down the waiver wire the big week one tomorrow goodbye thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast join winner fantasy football community on join the foot dot. Com and follow us on twitter at the F. F. ballers and foot clan. Wouldn't it be amazing if you could make your favorite restaurant sliders at home problem meet solution why Castle sliders are available noble at your grocery store. They're made with one hundred percent beef patties steamed on a bed of grilled onions and getting hungry pick-up some sliders sliders from the grocery store and make it a slider night go to white castle dot com slash footballers and you get a one dollar off coupon on any pack of four or six. White Castle sliders.

Julian Edelman Antonio Brown football twitter Mike New England patriots James White Miami Tyreek Hill Cam Newton Washington steelers Oakland New England Lamar Mark Jackson Jason Moore Julian Edelman Baltimore Ravens Tom Brady Jay Howard Patriots
Week 2 Studs & Duds + Big Ben & Brees Injury Fallout

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

1:03:20 hr | 1 year ago

Week 2 Studs & Duds + Big Ben & Brees Injury Fallout

"Hey for Glenn. Today's episode is brought to you by New Mexico. Look if you are a true adventure who loves traveling with your friends or family to totally unique places you. You don't WanNa Miss New Mexico for your next destination. They have amazing sunrises. They have route sixty six mountains all over the place amazing national parks looks. There's so much to learn about New Mexico to do that and plan your trip visit New Mexico Dot Org New Mexico true eh well come to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from Pristine Auction Asian. Dot Com studios with your hose. Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Right welcome in welcome into the fantasy footballers podcasts for Monday September for sixteen. We're back most of week two in the books. We still got the Monday night. Football Game Brown's jets. We'll talk about it lottery action to the weekend muffins on the show today the stinkers of the week Doc all them big boy players with their big boy pooping of their pants Jesus. Jason has a slightly new twain to his voice as you can hear it on the opener you had a little little Twang. Also howdy folks. How many packs a day are you up to now. Twelve packs a day now. I understand that I and I know the internal struggle here for you. Is You've been laboring through. I mean you're you're in clinical trials. At this point. I have unbelievable things coursing through my blood. Whatever walgreens can help me with I I I am I am on it. I'm trying to get better for you. Glenn sometimes it takes the voice a little while and you know it helps if you have a nice New Mexico address at the beginning. You've got the TWANG. I think I need to sing meet some country song crush Josh Rosen MHM. I can't make you laugh either. We we gotTA. Jam Packed Show it is Monday. We have some one liners from the foot. Clan provided Ed via twitter their reaction to the weekend. It's Monday Monday so we gotta get into these mark outstand ruse yes he. He is like goodness highest target share among tight ends. He is a beast it was it was ironic because I have Mark Andrews Vance McDonald on my dynasty team last week. It was it was not a good dance this week but Andrews and I'm like he's blowing him. Out and advanced comes back with two touchdowns advance outscore. Now Oh okay no. I'll say he had like a hundred touchdown. Oh we've got de'andre flop skins. Oh come on what's he's. He's earned himself a week off. Rehim must start. Yes you know he is. He's Gray Matt Matt. Brita is great regime oester great. This is true. They are both also cow Shanahan and running backs situation. My name is Jeff had to touchdown yeah yeah latavius worry Oh. I would be massively worrying about worry. Level has to be going up and jared. Cook worked as well Jared Cook. Okay Tavis worry. There are players and we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the drew brees situation and all the impacts but those two players bad bad news bears. Yes for drew brees absence the injury over the weekend Marquez Valdez struggling well. That's then good. How does can't link oh. That's way better yeah Doodoo Westbrook. It's so simple but it works a man. Mommy and daddy can't be Sweden anymore. Well they've now without nick. foles gardiner men's shoes like my favorite human being as of right now. Oh He's overtaken fitzpatrick to his swag. Level is off the charts. I don't know if you guys saw the report. He does all his pre-game stretching in the locker room only in his jock strap yes. I saw a teammate of his said. I didn't even know guys still war. Jock straps let alone alone only a jockstrap while he's working out the jockstrap that facial hair chest hair man. He almost got it done on on wall. They took the ball out of his hands. Yeah Danny I'm in doughnut and then Terry MC loving. Um that's a good one that is very McLaren at probably a little overshadowed by Hollywood Brown's fast start but uh-huh mclovin to two grey games to start his NFL career so we'll talk about that we had a few waterbeds this weekend and and each one of US ended up winning one of them John Ross fers McColl Hardiman. Neither of us were unhappy with what happened but you ended up winning that one John Ross it's over McColl Hardman Mike so you'll douse me and water. Yes Jason D the Dolphins Patriots game was tight one but you ended up covering twice twice. I'm taking I volunteered to take two waters. It's admirable because I was double wrong on that one and and then Eric Ibran the touchdown he snuck in snuck into that top twelve so I ended up watering Mike so we put the week one payouts up on you to last week the videos you guys have been asking for us to pay the waterbeds out publicly and so we did that and you can go to YouTube dot com slash the fantasy footballers to to see those follow us on twitter at the F. ballers and we appreciate everybody supporting the show over at joined the foot dot com. It's time for the rewind what weekly rewind if I take a big pause in between every word that I say lets me think of the next door I'm going to say. Do you know what I mean yeah like. If I'm not really my strategy weekly rewind brought to you by the sleeper APP. Here's the big one drew brees slated to miss six weeks. That's not an exact science since they're torn thumb ligament going to need surgery. The estimate right now six weeks could be more could be more. It is possible that they place him on. I are that would guarantee it that it is eight weeks. I doubt they knew sorry. We have breaking news oil for the next one all right well yeah. It's it's possible. I doubt they do that because to see if they could get those last two games and having missed six weeks instead of eight weeks that's two losses it could become winds potentially so I I doubt that place of on I r but that is in consideration right now I imagine that they'll give him the opportunity to recover faster and help their team in you you know and so as far as the rest of the players on the teams huge downgrades the way. I I was driving in and I'm thinking about it. Latavius Murray's Jared Cook. Oh I don't even care about you anymore. Agreed Allen Chimera Michael Thomas. I have at about seventy percent of what they were. That's how I view. That's still a huge it monstrous hit like Amerigos from a locked and loaded top three running back to he's like I would have him now as a fringe rb you want. He's definitely a top fifteen running back for sure because his talent is outrageous but you look at the amount of touchdowns. He scored over the last few years. Those opportunities are not going to be there without drew brees and so you it's unfortunate when those things happen. I mean the the Saints Plus Rushing Shing touchdowns this what you've come to know if this team is not as competitive offensively those opportunities will go down for Alvin Kamara for Michael Thomas. It's it's unfortunate fortunate well. This is where we had the breaking this is even bigger big. Ben Rothlisberger with the right elbow injury in the first half of the game the steelers just announced unsteady at an MRI on the right elbow. He will need surgery this week. He is out for the season. Have we vetted that source. Where did that come. In from Borland Borland has gone from rap sheet. Okay from rhapsody all right Nina Rappaport reporting gone for the season there. Oh Oh into right now. James Connor also suffered a knee injury big Ben. Is Your Juju Smith Schuster shares just went to they went went way too way down did exactly they did exactly what just happened to Michael Thomas. I think these two players take the biggest hits because they are wide receivers who rely on quarterbacks and now they're quarterbacks just got massively downgraded. I look I think Mason Rudolph one of the better backups in the League Teddy Bridgewater's probably one of the better back in the league but these guys are not going to be able to sustain top eight wide receiver performances their background reason this season's over Pittsburgh. Oh Yes for sure for more than Big Ben Owen to guess I lose that water but at the end of the season. I don't even like they weren't playing. Well ought to begin with but now you're in a situation where you have no chance to overcome likely what. Baltimore looks great and in Cleveland. We'll we'll see what they have tonight but this is this pretty game breaking news for drew brees big been both hall of fame quarterbacks both guys that have top five top ten wide receivers depending on them and these injuries are very significant to their whole the whole outlook fancy wise for both teams. I'll say this. Oh for Pittsburgh then we might have another Peyton Manning Indianapolis situation where the team was already struggling and and Big Ben was going to the one who had to carry them across the line if they were going to make any kind of move you're saying pick wide like all of a sudden now the steelers they're going to I at least from the team. We've seen from two weeks. They're going to be one of the top picks in the draft and you just and there's there's a couple of good quarterbacks coming out well Mason Rudolph. I mean they like him and he looked pretty good yesterday. He doesn't have the swag level of the secret garden well no because no one does no man yeah but he is also a better quarterback than the secret guard I believe look James Connor. Starting running back also injured his knee. He's has today. This is just well Taylor. Samuels could end up one of the bigger waiver wire up the week. Regardless of this quarterback situation. James Connor is out and more injuries Devon single single Terry Hamstring injury. He was ruled out yeah. We'll we'll see the severity of this Jason. I were caught this one live. It was the old I'm running at full speed to the edge and then I start hopping about halfway through and whenever you see a player do that it's great concern for a multi week absence with the hamstring and then you're dealing with a recovering hamstring the entire year but similar he won't be as hot as a pickup as Jalen on samuels but if single terry is GonNa miss a few weeks Frank Gore is infinite. He is all he's GonNa get work. He's also going to be at home next week against Cincinnati into natty. There is a very high probability cool. Here's his Stein Lawful. Oh New England. Are you know facing off in week four. Here's his stat line next week. Thirty two carries eighty yards two touchdowns thirty two cares yeah. I'm just saying he's GonNa get massive work. BE INEFFICIENT EFFICIENT score and be fined for Fantasy Damian Williams exited the game with a right knee contusion Lucia McCoy dealing with an ankle injury is going to get an MRI on it. Goodness Pat Pat Mahomes will be okay. Yes no you gotta you. GotTa pay attention. Tomorrow's the waiver show so we'll have more injury information about both Damian Williams and the Shawn McCoy which can inform your Darwin Thomson Dare Williams pickups off of the waiver wire. You saw Darwin in their late after McCoy exited so we'll see what happens there this is we say you don't win the League at your draft and that's because every week uh on Monday we have to talk through about eight scenarios due to injury swipe depth the so important. You set the table for your team but you've got to pivot of it. Now you gotTa make adjustments. If you started Alshon Jeffery or does Shawn Jackson last night that was the scenario where if your opponent had them you had a mysterious dream like if they could only get hurt early and then come on scores zero points and then to Sean Jackson owners after they finally moved them into the lineup had to suffer with that of what happened to the Eagles last night was outrageous because they lost the two starting wide receivers Dallas has got it went down. Nelson Agla was in and out of the Game Carson Wentz was in and out of the game they were just getting the crap beat out of him in that game but moving forward for Carson Wentz in we got to see the severity of these two wide receivers I so I pulled twitter up because I don't want to miss anything right. Mason Rudolph his time lot of Russia's around Big Ben. I scroll down three video from Tom. Brady with the big W and his chiseled smile that has a little extra curl to it that I'm pretty sure has to do with a big. Ben Being out in his path to the to the super bowl even cleaner it all things go well for the future eighteen and a New England patriots are Michael Gallup has to have an MRI on his knee supposed to be precautionary. We'll monitor it and and Sam Darnold this was reported by Jay Glazer those trying to figure out what's wrong with Arnold. Schwarzenegger has lost a lot of weight. They're hopeful. He can make a return potentially after after the week four by God to protect my spleen yes. It's the spleen you gotTA. Watch out for Jason. Mooch one Ma aw yes thank you mike get to the hospital and thank you everyone who's still listening after this segment Kenyan Drake on the trade bloc block that was some other news for people who are getting drake on their team. Can we trade Campbell hands for. Oh my goodness. I'm thinking Oh my oh goodness now looking good we clearly rewind and news brought to you by the sleeper APP. Don't miss a single piece of fantasy football news notes information. We're going to get into the study muffins before you do own a thank Harry's for today's show listen to this. Mike humans listening humans have been shaving over five thousand years. They have and you know what the ancient Greeks they didn't need. Flex balls heated handles a neither to you. Mike Okay because people out no gimmicky features. Here's to the razors. Just the highest quality razor shaves possible than ever up charge you you get durable quality blades at a fair price just two to box blade and they cut that middleman out you guys know about. Harry's been sporting the show for a long time. I've been using them for a long long time and you know what if you don't love the shave you get a free roof front. They'll give you a full refund so you gotta join the ten million who have tried Harry's claim the special trial offer by going to Harrys dot com slash footballer and you'll get a weighted ergonomic handle with the firm grip five blade razor with lubricating strip and trimmer blade a rich lathering. Shave Gel with aloe to keep your skin hydrated and a travel blade cover to help keep your razor dry and easy on the go go go to Harrys dot com slash footballer to start shaving better today. We'd like to think livestream for sponsoring today's show. It's a fact refinancing your credit card. Balances is can lower your interest rate and save you money. You don't have to be a final financial expert right now you can get a credit card consolidation loan from our friends at light stream him with a rate as low as five point nine five APR with Auto Pay. That's way lower than the average credit card interest rate of over nineteen percents. You got to get your finances. In line. You can save thousands of dollars in interest get alone from five thousand to a hundred thousand that are absolutely no fees. No application fees no origination fees. No transaction fees no prepayment penalties. Get that crap out of here with light stream and the online application is so we you can apply right from your phone. livestream believes that people with good credit deserve a better loan experience. The only way to get this discount is to go to light screen light stream dot dot com slash footballers subject to credit approval rate includes a point five percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply offers are subject to change without notice visit light light stream dot com slash footballers for more information. That's L. I. G. H. T. S. T. R. E. A. M. dot com slash footballers and this week's fantasy Stud Muffins Patrick mahomes thirty for forty four forty three and four. It basically all came in the second quarter a pretty good player yeah four forty three. That's ridiculous yardage total and you may need to lean on a more if you have injuries to those running backs he might throw fifty touchdowns again. He might and you know what the impressive thing is. If you watch those plays is that he made that he had a point in this game where he had six consecutive throws six consecutive completions of over twenty five yards he had five straight over thirty five yards and we're not talking talking about like hey when he tried to throw it thirty five yards. He completed it and they were in a row. We're talking like consecutive pass attempts where he threw the ball thirty five plus yards and did it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and here's the thing watch those place. What do you notice you notice. Patrick mahomes against sit back and the offensive line is buying him time he just moves a little bit to the left a little bit to the right and then he can throw it up to McCall Hartman or DaMarcus arcus Robinson or Sammy Watkins or Travis Kelsey William's question I recall when he comes back just like hypothetically. I know I know that hill is an excellent wide receiver on the field. He can change some things but when you have a football team that has to pay certain positions and like the chiefs defenses that will be the weak point moving forward as they try to make a super bowl run do they watch the Marcus Robinson ball out last night and go. Do we really need give hill all that money. It did cross my mind. I had tweeted during the game. demarcus Robinson is either the greatest player in NFL history or Patrick. Mahomes is incredible and the thing when you have made it as well. McCall Hardman had a seventy two yard or called back on a holding penalty. That really didn't even affect the play. This is team needs to figure. They're evens out once again because when they turn it on offense you're just seeing new. NFL Right now with Patrick Mahomes Lamar Jackson. Let's turn that to fantasy for a second. Let me stammer homes you Kinda tongue-in-cheek Kinda Reality Pattern uh-huh can throw fifty again. I think we agree he could do. It's probably going to happen so let's pretend is what do you do. What do you do. What are we talking next year or this. This you know this year. What do you do you most listeners probably drafted late. quarterbacks hopefully the margin accent twenty four forty seven or thirty seven to seventy two and two and one hundred twenty on the ground which broker career high for him but if you don't have Lamar Jackson you're looking at Patrick Mahomes. What's the fair trade value for Patrick Mahomes. Wow let's say you WANNA buy into that and you WANNA go get him. I don't think you're going to be able to get him. Yes the person who drafted him drafted him high. They believe in having the best quarterback. They have the best quarterback the only way you're gonNA get him is by giving three or four quality players for them and I probably wouldn't do that because you're going to end up wrecking the depth on your team. Do you believe that you can get Patrick Mahomes at at a at a fair value. Andy Nope yeah I mean when I when when you said what do you do my thought. Was I start all of Kansas City options because look it didn't work out for Sammy Watkins this week right people. We're disappointed in the lizard king only forty nine years receiving I think yeah no Eden Goose but you know but it wasn't his fault. It was like the offense didn't he. He can't do anything after a seventy yard touchdown to someone else. He doesn't get to play football anymore that drive. It just didn't go his way but you want those little shots at him to. Do you want those players. In your lineup. You want the option to okay maybe finishes with forty nine yards or two hundred fifty yeah yeah and and. I don't think any of US expected. Maybe some of you did but I I don't think even these two lizard king supporters expect him to go out for one hundred ninety eight again. I mean it's not no you can't do that every week. What I did really didn't expect was the Mark Robinson to go out and just like the world on fire. So would you trade. Would you shoot for Patrick Mahomes with Lamar Jackson. Let's see your rostering Mark Jackson and you can put Lamar Jackson in a piece together to go to the homes. Certainly wouldn't that be the situation. Yes I would do that. Yeah I mean Lamar Jackson. He's been great. He's going to be great because he's got the baseline of brushing but he also faced Miami and Arizona for the first two weeks while he faces Kansas City this week in Kansas City. You get the mahomes versus. Lamar Jackson adventure cannot wait for that. Dak Prescott started the week. Tom Brady started the week and Russell. Wilson Elson also had very solid weeks. Jimmy Garoppolo people want to know do I pit from Cam Newton to Jimmy Garoppolo after a seventeen for twenty five performance three hundred yards three touchdowns John I don't mind it seems interesting. Doesn't it yeah he has been need. Dante Pettis assuming that Josh Allen is not on your waiver wire. I mean like Andy Dalton is very the interesting Jimmy Garoppolo for those with the the heartbreak that has been Cam Newton through two games. Dak Prescott completing eighty. Two percent of his passes looks great not bad running backs. Dalvin Cook have another game only for one fifty four one three for thirty seven through the air has oakland then Chicago New York. He's the League's leading rusher at two hundred sixty five rushing yards so through two weeks my my articles right. Can we just declared over at this point as long as we can. Declare my my bold prediction yeah I was. GonNa ask Andy Real quick. who is through two weeks obviously Monday night football after go the running back one the best running back and fantasy after two weeks is the Delvin Cook it is not he is number two okay. It is Austin at night. Yes yes go yeah yeah. He was seventeen for sixty six touchdown. This week had a goal line fumble had had a touchdown called back and then had a goal on fumble and he's still the Guy Justin Jackson had a long touchdown called back well. He looks great to me. I mean excellent ex- amazing is like separate conversation sure verson Jackson looked great to me to Aaron Judge. Did you see Melvin. Gordon re tweeted some people this weekend. Oh somebody twenty again salty altea no not at all. He's almost more the opposite oh good somebody who tweeted hey and then tagged him. Hey Melvin Gordon Austin is better than you and he just retweeted it. That's all he did Aaron Jones but your point I mean tomorrow with the waiver show but like Justin Jackson is such such a high value handcuff if awesome necker Mrs time which he's been known to do that as well just Jackson will ball out he you will be a game changing or a team changing acquisition Aaron Jones. You finally got to see kind of a heavy workload for him. Twenty three carries Jamal Williams only had I think eight and he went for one sixteen and one caught four passes. It was nice to see a big game for her and Jones. The six targets is is the real important thing his utilization utilization there and the split with Jamal Williams. He looked like he's become the guy we wanted him to be when we drafted him looks good going forward now you. I would think it's thirteen eighty three would be a decent yards per carry and then Matt Brita put up twelve for one twenty-one and then Pour Jeff Wilson he didn't have the efficiency just two touchdowns well to be fair to Jeff Wilson. It was ten thirty four yards but two of those carries were short yardage situations to be all the yards. You could possibly get to be fair to start. He had sixty eight yards on only three receptions Jian's. That's true I mean this backfield was just so Houston you start Breda than most hurt than Wilson Zaha. You'd be Yeah Straighten Yup poor poor brayden get in the end zone. Yeah he's all right. He looked great saquon big game. We can probably move on wide receivers Damarcus Robinson. You mentioned it. Here's the one that needs to be brought up because he sat on my bench for two weeks because I couldn't believe it. I just needed to see it and now I see and I do believe Emmanuel Sanders Eleven for ninety eight another touchdown thirteen targets through two weeks off the Achilles injury looks possible absolutely outstanding. He's talked now. We have our eyeballs right and we know what this offenses with Joe Flacco but Emmanuel Sanders the way he talks about Joe Flacco the report that they have you starting to see it on the field and sanders was absolutely great. The target should be assured that was against the bears. I mean that was not like that. The group that was that wasn't like Oh he had a good game. This is one of the most difficult if not the most difficult defense to do this against and he bawled out thirteen targets. He is locked locked and loaded. I think is a top fifteen receiver the way he until injuries happen to either him or FLACCO. That's a high. I'll go top twenty yeah. He's he's a must start couple. Tough match-ups coming up has to go into Green Bay then Jacksonville also by the way it affects demarcus Robinson. He had his his his big day. If you're in a dynasty league you should probably check your waiver wire. Julio Jones two more touchdowns for Julio Chris Godwin we knew about about that big week golladay showed out eighty one seventeen and one John Rusk Four for one twelve and one on eight targets currently leads the NFL in receiving yards. I don't think you could have had a better start to the season possible for Mark Andrews and then John Ross has started the season and Jason. We'd say we traded them one for one in like February. Yes so funny that I I traded you. Mark Andrews for John Ross in our dynasty league regretted it most of the off season. Mark Andrews looks like a beast but John Ross looks like a beast although context matters and famous does says you need to know how John Rouse got a lot of these points Mike when you fill it John Ross was about three for forty nine or so it with fifty seconds left in the football game and they're going low outlaw at this point was forty one to ten thinks if I recall correctly really and then and then Dalton hit John Ross for one of those crossing on outs and John Ross took sixty yards to the house and I get watered because of that is that is correct you get watered because of the combination of that and the the McColl Hardiman long bomb touchdown with beat that but was let's go back on. It feels great tie boy ten for one twenty to ten targets. These two guys until edge green comes back. I mean Boyd regarding safe boy to save John. Ross the only the the only kind of wrinkle in this breakout campaign is the return of I would say it's two things I would say. It's the return of Asia Green and then hopefully the health of of Joe mixon improving after barely playing in this game but so far so good for John Ross. Are you kind of starting him until Aj's the old Yep Yep all right and then in the absence of Jeffrey and to Sean jackson-nelson Aguilar eight four one seven and one yeah he's is going to be the the hot wide receiver pickup is deciding depending on the news for D Jackson also sure that's fair cavalier for one oh five and one he it just looks great. He owns star Julio in Ridley ever we every single week. Yup and then McCall Hartman we mentioned a Deebo Samuel five eighty seven in one. I think depot is going to be one of the bigger waiver wire options for people this week there involving him in the offense. Dante Pettis uninvolved in this offense. It's the only other the big question to me is. Let's say you're looking at what Jimmy Garoppolo did hear a fantasy honor. You're trying to you know we we said last week right now. It's like George kiddle and you don't really know who else you can start. I will say this market. Goodwin is the one assured of one hundred percent of snaps on the outside of every game yet. Three for seventy seven on a broken coverage bridge scored a touchdown deebo. Markey's Goodwin is a waiver wire pickup is in I would not know Deebo you're talking about the difference at targets right depot seven even targets Mark Goodwin three targets cut. All of them was efficient is fast can always break a big play last week. Markey's had three targets. It's as well. He only caught one of them seven yards so I'm going to go with the the volume in that offense and this is an offense. That's going to get pieces back. I mention Taylor is GONNA come back soon and and then Jalen Hurd eventually we'll be active so it looks okay to pick one of these guys up. It might be more of a mirage though week to week could on which guy to start because you couldn't have predicted. Did it so far which guy you would've wanted to throw out there. Let's go to the tight end position Travis Kelsey Mark Andrews and Oh my goodness the people want it. Oh yes I can't oh goodness. He's back will dizzily five for fifty two touchdowns five targets Montana doing big work my voice for this moment five absolutely well. How did that game feel free. Just sounds like that versus what my voice can do right now is big. Montana amazing game by we'll dizzy and another amazing recovery. He had a very serious injuries and has recovered to be heavily involved two touchdowns. He's going to be a touchdown dependent tied it. I think moving forward. Would you rather have we'll do Eric Hebron moving for oh. That's a great question. I think I would rather have we'll digitally. I think I'd go dizzy. They're they're very similar tiered players for me. Vance McDonald Donald Seven hundred thirty eight two touchdowns on seven targets. I guess it'll be like maybe maybe the last time you get a hit it who knows act yeah well. We'll see if mason leans on I was. That's what I was gonNA. Bring up. The touchdowns were from Mason Rudolph Maze. It seemed to be looking his way. I think he's a guy that it's really interesting going forward. That's not to say he's got a higher ceiling without Big Ben but I think that Vance is very very interesting. I'd be looking to hold them in. Whatever you do don't throw to Dante Moncrieff. It is selling bench. It's so all important as a person just for your own psyche not to throw the ball to him. I think that the transition has tap and know it'll it'll be James Wash not and moving forward not only that but keep in mind James Washington I mean James. Washington is a Mason Rudolph favourite. They what's the holidays together. If you look at the preseason from from yeah you're right. Mason Rudolph has dominated preseason or Excuse me James Washington has dominated preseason. That's right going never seen before Mike. You've talked about in years past and you've been correct that when the backup quarterback comes in oftentimes oftentimes it's more of the backup wide receiver that he's practicing with day in day out. I expect Mason James Washington to be decently relevant all right. I think Greg Olsen by the way don't forget about that Thursday night game six for one ten waiver show tomorrow we'll bring up some names and where he gets the Arizona. That's not fair. I'll say this I mean Arizona's defense. They were in that game just three to twenty three to seventeen ball game. They were put in this position where I was so frustrated because they couldn't contain Lamar Jackson ax and then I remembered its Lamar Jackson like they're not used to facing that but they had a pretty darn good game considering what we had seen Miami do the week before short my point was let Mark Andrews Gimme a break the tight end position hockey lease will sort of who who TJ Hopkinson Week one ball out against the cardinals Arnold's Mark Andrews bald out against Zuber annoying to watch Mark Andrews be opened for every I down all game long so you're right and so we'll see what happens next week with him in time to move on stinkers of the week presented by odor eaters. These guys stunk it up till check yeah seriously. You know it's easy easy to overreact get a week to a seems like the same amount of overreaction is happening. Some of these performances fantasy football football is very subjective game. You don't have control over so many factors whether it would be those illustrated by injury this week with major players going down and impacting those performances or just the ebbs and flows of the game the way Sammy Watkins was a beast last week couple bombs. Don't go his way this this week. Zandt makes Sammy Watkins worst player. No not really is just the way that goes and if you one of the things that we've put a lot of time and effort into that's part of being a member of joined the foot but is also in the UK is the consistency chart and Jason Works to build these things out each and every year where you can glance at one screen green NC each and every week performances and whether they finished in the top five or the top twelve or outside of that range. You're not going to find very many players. You're talking a handful at each position -sition that really provide consistency on a week to week basis. You're playing probability in your starting sits and you're gonNA have ebbs and flows and you need to kind of relax and realize that guys are going to have looking Christian McCaffrey. He's not any worse of a player this week than he was last week but the best illustration of consistency is a forty point week and is six point week from Christian McCaffrey as as a famous book. Brooks brought up once said what is the what's the phrase Brooks. Everybody poops. Everybody boos sometimes some tax rates. Every song hurts all right quarterback poopers. He's guys stunk it adopt. These are the stinkers of the week at the quarterback position we already saw Cam Newton but does Shawn Watson Sixteen for twenty nine. No passing touchdown kind of salvaged salvaged an absolute catastrophic week with a rushing touchdown one hundred and fifty nine passing yards. This Jacksonville is how good Pat Mahomes is because Jacksonville's a great defense like Jacksonville shut him down. This was not just that you know Dijon Watson and is in good or deandre. Hopkins isn't good. This was a tough match-up. We didn't WANNA believe. The Jacksonville was as good as they were because of what Pat Mahomes did to Jacksonville Week one. I think Jacksonville is a dominant defense that will still get torched by PAT homes. I I'll I think that they're a a really really good defense and but they have the ability to avalanche on themselves. I think that's what we saw. Last year to satistics at the end of the year they were a good defense vince last year but then they had these like handful of games where the the wheels fell off. They're yelling at each other their players getting thrown out yeah and so I think you know this was a good game for for them and they almost want it on the back of that defense so to Shawn Watson still running for his life. Laremy Tunsil has an ankle problem. He says he's fine but he has been not good enough but we're not scared like no now for why ham you gotta you gotTa move on right now. L. E. proves it to Shawn Watson. He's like a go trade for him. Off Of this performance Derek Carr did not show out twenty three for thirty eight one eight and one had to ugly picks and AH ugly count as two interceptions. What's wild is the raiders were winning this game ten zero and then in position a tube like put even more points on the board car was playing well. Yes to start the game and then everything just turn into a black hole and imploded on itself yeah the twenty eight th they have the black do have twenty eight points in the second quarter. Put them into a position that Derek Carr is entirely uncomfortable which is he can't come back. He just can't do do it. He cannot throw the ball downfield. This was a game where you know. I think that's the problem. That's the thing that's going to get Jon. GRUDEN pulling his hair out is it's it's underneath the renfro underneath to tyrel underneath the waller a lot and needs to feed him a bit more. what do you what do you think of the what happened with. Josh Jacobs where he was seeing a bunch of snaps to Jalen Richard is like you didn't get the full workhorse role that you we thought we had from Josh Jacobs after week. One I think he just has to do with the game script and putting Rashard out there on third down pass protection situation. I'm saying saying does that. Does that concern you about Josh Jacobs moving forward knowing that this this is what's going to happen. If the rates go down then Jacobs will be coming off the feel more and more twelve carries in this game still had ninety nine yards rushing the big like fifty. One Yard looked great on that Yeah I. I don't think it changes anything in a very pragmatic tangible way. There's nothing I'm GONNA do different. I'm not GONNA sit him because game scripts going to hurt the raiders from time to time they have Minnesota Indianapolis next both games on the road They're not facing mahomes again this week so I don't think that they played that as a team. I think they just got boat race in the second quarter and couldn't overcome overcoming even when it was twenty eight to ten they were down on the goal. I need through that ugly pick. It would have been a second touchdown for tyrel Williams in this game who seems very stable as the one in that offense show. Let's talk about my favorite stinker. Oh Gosh who's your favorite singer. My favorite speaker at quarterback was able to come up with US solid one hundred twenty money passing yards Mitchell trubisky. Oh talking about the game winning drive. You stink yes because he he did lead them on a game winning Dr. He did throw one pass. That was caught doing reasoning. This was a hard game to watch on both sides of the football. There's a reason he had to have a game winning so let's let's weigh in because we want to make one side of the fan base feel bad but I don't think they should have been granted that time out I don't I think that was a fair play on the with the one second. One Guy saw the end of that game. I think I don't think it was. I don't think he should have done. It seem like they time. It seemed like they ran out of time to me too but that to me if you're down one second and the you're calling timeout immediately. I don't know that it was really tight. Philip rivers kirk cousins also terrible games. Kirk cousins is not available right now not good not good for kirk cousins and Minnesota Yeah and rivers. you know Phil Burgers. Sometimes he performed sometimes he doesn't sometimes they lean on the running game sometimes. Heathrow's interceptions. He's a middling streaming option. Yes running back stinkers of the week. This one's unfortunate. Get your orders. Get Your House. Alvin Kamara thirteen for forty five has ever been in this list probably not I mean maybe once that thing. That's going to hurt a lot. Is I mean a lot. A lots going to hurt. I mean you know drew. brees change your whole offense but the reliance the chemistry on the receiving end for Alvin Kamara with drew brees. I'm I'm very concerned about this the only at three targets in this one reception it's gross we said throw. Tavis Marie Audi at five carries one catch not good but Alvin Kamara. What are you GonNa. Do you gonNA play Alvin Kamara. Yes he's too good Christian McCaffrey. You're GONNA play him. It doesn't matter if he stunk now Joe Mixing. He fought through an injury to get into this game pretty much put up a a stat line though he hadn't played. I mean eleven for seventeen three three for ten through the air. Geo just had six rushes. It was pretty gross overall. They have buffalo next week. That is not a good matchup for them on the road owed. You're still gonNA play him right. I mean I I was benching mixed unless we ask this week and this week he was coming off the ankle. You don't know how much he's actually going to be. I used that totally makes sense to bench him this week but next week another week removed from the ankle he is still the starting. You know workhorse running for this team. Presumably Ankle is completely. Find my then bad matchup. I wouldn't play real if I had options. I mean that's what it comes down to options options being like this. Let me let me illustrate if I'm sitting there going. Do I throw Mile Sanders out there in week three or do I David Montgomery out there and we three those are the kind of players you would have gotten laid eight that maybe you have the option of pitting of Brian of pudding mixing on the bench for it's a tough match up. I Dunno if the upside really there against buffalo if he practices law a week maybe that opinion changes but you know Mike. Would you be playing mixing over both of those players. I'd I side with you that I want to see joe mix and be a healthy and I want to see him be active in this offense as well it just they funny side tangent through two weeks. Andy Dalton is averaging nearly forty seven attempts a game if you if you want to continue that through the whole season though be seven hundred forty four attempts. Can you get that Kylie Marie pace financing ashes. I know he's on pace for more money. Record is funny. A antidote like this is such a different offense man. Why and they're it being put in a position. I mean forty three points. They gave up to Jimmy Garoppolo. If you're if you go down if there if this defense is looking like it is right now you're going to be in this situation for Andy Dalton every week and the difference is is act. Taylor feels confident enough in his offensive scheme and the players around Dalton to say. We're GONNA to try to come back in this game with your arm as opposed to on the ground so Andy Dalton's is forty six and a half attempts per game column is a full forty seven so yeah a lot of passing attempts their Torri Cohen. What do you do with him for for eighteen on the ground to for seven through the air well. It was an ugly offensive performance. When your quarterback throws one hundred twenty total passing housing yeah I was GONNA say he's basically more of a wide receiver than running back right now and his quarterback is trubisky so yeah you don't WanNa start him. I am if you can look elsewhere. Please do to weigh in there for a second on something important. I mean David Montgomery and got a lot more work. This compared to Mike Davis Mike Davis. This was an afterthought in this game yeah yeah he he he was a touch afterthought. He was not a snap afterthought when you see them around the goal line and they're sitting there with Mitch Trubisky on the three and Mike Davis comes in for Thursday. That's a nashes makes you frustrated but it's nice to see the transition start to happen right. I'm playing Montgomery next week. Snap snap wise not necessarily care but snap what you're speaking to. He was fifty six percent of snaps in week. One News down to twenty four wonderful in in one eight carries for David Montgomery three targets. He finally got it is he hasn't taken advantage of them. Opportunity not yet two games in each game under four Carey in both of them so and it took them like six goldline opportunities to target them yeah he failed. Oh failed failed. Penalty failed failed got in but I I would be. I'll play him next week too but I would be trying to you know if I'm playing the bears. I'm stopping the running game in. I'm putting it all on Mitch trubisky sure each and every week. I want to beat them so that can make it challenging okay in so duke. Johnson didn't do anything in this game. I feel like you can't see under scrambling to wonder. Can you play him yeah. Bringing up Duke Johnson I think you you'd I have to bring up the the his counterpart which is Carlos Hyde. Who had twenty attempts twenty carries for ninety yards on the ground. I mean Carlos Hyde has looked great. It was still do Johnson as the primary guy in week one but you saw a huge swing to Carlos Heights. How are you approaching approaching. Both these players are you to the point where you'll say okay. I'll play Carla side against the chargers or you're GonNa Bench both of them. I'm I I'm somewhat somewhat willing to sniff Carlos Hyde but I would still rather you in the weeks. I meant you're going to sniff Carlos. I'd rat or not but the match up against the chargers isn't that bad. It's not a good smell of you do that but duke historically Duke Johnson is I'm not going to touch. Jim is funny. I would play Duke in that match over Carlos. Do you can't play Duke. He's he's a pass catching running back. That's playing for a team. That doesn't throw the ball to the running back. He had one target and he he's scares me. I wouldn't touch we maybe by mid week. We'll have a Carlos Hyde. Versus do quarterback the kind that we'll tell our kids about yes all right. Devante Freeman Eleven for twenty two. It's been pretty ugly for Devante Freeman so far Chris Carson fifteen for sixty which is fine three for twenty seven years whatever but he fumbled twice in this is the concern you know is he going to be these are very costly fumbles from Chris Carson. Both of them were especially the last one and do they start to just force the bond to retired. pennies hands bidding had had a good game. They had breakway touchdown. I you know I it's it's too early to tell I would say that the loyalty factor that you believe Zia from Pete Carroll. He's loyalties guys so I don't expect them to punish Chris Cards. How long run there was a thirty seven yard run right for Johny touch to the penny touchdown of Tom Ahead. I do not know so outside of that. He was nine for twenty five so there's not a good game two point seven to carry in terms of production so so I would tend to lean on the after breaking that down lean on the side of Carson is just a better runner but if he fumbles here's here's the risk if he fumbles in the middle of a game you you can see the pine for awhile with Chris Carson. 'cause they take Mike's favourite approach of hey. Let's punish the whole team for your mistake. Chris though the the running back is such a strange position because they get they get pulled off. You know they punished for things like a fumble. They swopped in and out with other running backs in like 'cause you made a mistake. Oh you'd miss this blitz pickup You don't want your team making mistakes but the running back position is treated unlike a wide receiver a wide receiver. Go drop goes out. He dropped the ball okay. We'll throw it to you. The next play a wide receiver goes goes out has a bad drop tipped the ball into the air and it gets picked off generally speaking. They're not gonNA do anything to that. Why why don't you did it this week. Generally speaking speaking generally speaking wide receiver whiffs on blocking right play. There's still on these rolling back like we're not GONNA pay. You and we're GonNa send you to the bench for screwing up. How scared are you guys about. Devante Freeman are you with me yet eleven for twenty two on the sure it wise y mathematician now. I understand the production was bad. Three from three forty two is better if they aren't going to utilize them in the passing game more then then I will be worried watching feel like running back one or two three category of adjusting expectations but watching shing him play once he's finally in space he still looked to me looks like devante Freeman beggar but you can't run in in between tackles with that offensive line at least not right now sixty two percent snaps yeah that winter claiming over thirty eight percent for Ito was fifty fifty week one also Philip Lindsay Thirteen thirty six is a real problem here with Philip Lindsay Royce freemen situation on that often was better. Royce Freeman out snapped him and Royce Freeman had over one hundred yards from scrimmage seven targets yeah for Voice Freeman Good Mike. He'll jason spent the whole entire Sunday bemoaning the fact that he roy's Freeman no on his aren't as redraft team. He's like rice. Please do something so I can trade you but I think you were. Mike Mike No. I'm not going to trade for him but after like at the end of next week you might be Real Happy Royce freemen's on your team. I don't think you can be happy with either player. I agree because you have two players that are worthy of being getting number. One running back snaps and they're on the same team and this offense is atrocious atrocious right now. That's the problem to me. I mean I feel. Are you ever going to be in a position where you feel confident starting him this year and I think the answer is no. No I mean when you get to buy when you get the BI weeks and injuries happen. Drop them. Even though I feel like he's a roster clog. I wish I could trade him for like a Chris pickle or something that I could get use out of. I heard you use. I heard the name Chris Pickles. The man Chris Bickel is this superstar. NFL player that I've never heard stiffer pickle whose side away Byron Pringle of course because that's the name that popped into my head I saw Chris Pickle yeah he's good with Daryl. Anderson are now Arnelle. Sorry all right running back. stinkers sorry wide receiver singers. Andrea Hopkins Robert Robert Woods any concerns with those two long-term Robert Woods just two thirty three Robert Woods had to really good plays callback Chelsea one of which was a touchdown like yes the at a great week and then it was like oh it didn't exist so I'm not concerned with woods he he was two calls away from a great. If you're concerned with Hopkins you should quit fantasy. Yes Mike Evans Ellen Robinson Julian Edelman Josh Gordon. I don't feel like Mike Evans belongs here four for sixty one on on eight targets it. You're disappointed yeah. That's true brooks. Get Him Outta here but I don't feel out of here okay and then at John and Gordon now I I had kind of made up my mind heading into the weekend on Saturday as I'm thinking about this will be play. Willie did not play. I just decided on Saturday that I said on my teams. I'm benching Josh Gordon. If place should I was just the decision I made. I didn't know how much they would. I need him and these players against Miami which proved they didn't they score two defensive touchdowns but Josh Gordon just two for Nineteen Julian Ataman just four fifty one including I think one of those real late in the game Kinda just wasting o'clock. Antonio Brown on the other hand ends up with a touchdown. So where are you with this wide receiver core. You know we have to wait this week the NFL's meeting with the accuser so I think we will know a whole lot more or later this week as to whether Antonio Brown's GonNa be planned for the pats this year or if he's going to be on the Commissioner's exempt list net changes everything it Tonio Brown. I I feel I could very easily become the one for this team if he is active this year they seem to force is the one if he's active. Yeah I agree with you so that hurts is Gordon that hurts settlement but I actually think assuming that like in the world where he is playing this whole year for the Patriots. I think all three we are started option. Wow Wow yeah I I think I'd have a hard time starting Gordon. If into I agree they have New York Buffalo Washington incoming out so and it's it's it's such a wacky game to try and extract any valuable information of where it was. Antonio Brown's first Game Brown still didn't didn't play a huge amount of snaps for what a wide receiver should be playing. They force fed him the ball. I like this. Why is this okay okay. We're trying to prove that we made the right decision by signing Antonio Brown. Are these trying to get them acclimated to the system. Meanwhile they boat race. Miami like they. They didn't have to do anything by the way it's hard to really know what to tell. Brooks chose to put Mike Evans into this stinkers instead of Sony Michelle into the Stud Muffins but Cya Michelle Twenty one carries. He's in this game eighty five yards and a touchdown. It's nice. If you're a sunny Michelle owner yup you had to be able to start in this game and get production or you're gonNA it was gonna be desperate time so these status quo with him and he had a lot more work than than burke did in did a lot with it thankfully so I'm optimistic about his future. Sammy Watkins now Watkins. I I was six for forty nine. He had thirteen targets just in happened. I don't remember thirteen targets that makes it feel more like a stinker so yeah so six or forty nine is not bad but you expect more when you get thirteen mahomes targets. I it's pretty nice the fact that he got thirteen targets. That's a lie if you're concerned about Sammy Watkins just look at that thirteen targets from Pamela homes and no you're fine the lizard king catching six six of thirteen targets that that's not the normal. You know who you do need to be concerned with. WHO's at you gotTa Drop Didi Your Doodoo. GotTa Drop Dede Westbrook. His future took a it was blown up. Negative lift. Yeah Nick foles left and then here's some other players honorable mentions wide receiver and let me know if you're cutting them. Okay envious was three for nineteen against Minnesota not cut him now. I wouldn't cut him but if he's still good depth. Unfortunately I don't know if you're going to be able to predict the non davonte atoms wide receiver production in Green Bay. You you know there's not there's not a second guy. That's willing to stand up and be that guy on the course of every single week. Yeah I agree and if you're listening I'm GonNa say whether I would or wouldn't but I would always a booklet. If you're you're listening to my podcast right now which means you are listening. That's fair is fair. If you're listening did they weren't. We'll never maybe that makes them perk up because they're in the middle of a project well then you would say hey listen up. Not What are you listening to me. If you're listening to watch on Youtube you're still listening you hear these words which are uh-huh any questionable wide receivers that are do you keep you cut. I'm always willing to move on from when waivers come to and it's like okay. I said I wouldn't call NBS. I'd rather hold them but if you've got team needs especially running back then absolutely I'd move on all. All six of these names are cuts for me. I'll preface sit there. All Cuts Dante moncrieff Dante Pettis Danny Amendola Corey Davis Cartland Sutton five of those six or cuts for me when we have been on my roster so tight ends. Let's talk about him. Oh wait wait. I'm sorry I I don't think it would cut Portland son. I would gotomeeting I would. I would definitely go hold onto Marc Marquez. I think you should hold onto court. That's fine. I don't mind the youth of coralline Sutton and the unknown but ah Emmanuel Sanders is by far the number one so then do you want Joe flags number two ish target. I don't all right tight ends. TJ Hopkinson uh-huh uh-huh one for seven on three targets. Where are the Hawkins in the I mean we said this even when I said he was my number one waiver claim. I said this is a really bad match for him this week. Don't expect for him to have a great week to I still think is utilization. Snap counts. He should be okay. The hard part about the tight end position is that you have a category of a few months star players right. I would say that right now. The Must Start Titans Travis Kelsey Zakar Dhs George kittle Evan Ingram sure but not in that category he goes this week marking Mark Andrews is now in that category agree and I feel like the Walrus might be in that category too yeah. He's very see feels very safe this point yes he is because he lives near the line of scrimmage. He lives on the pier where close to shore. Yes Yeah I get it. I I agree with you and that that makes them safe but there are a number of players that look if you you spent up. Here's the situation for fanciers. You spent up on Hopkinson last week to take the shot at a top top tier tight end I would say you're probably pop committed for a few weeks with TJ Hodkinson. Are you not you can't just take a one for seven after you spend on them and then chased the next guy that had a half decent week tight end position. You're going to have these games. I'm not moving on. My son is playing his first fantasy like ever he. He actually won this week. He's very very happy. He has Patrick Mahomes and his title. He's GonNa win more his tight end is. OJ Howard right yeah so he decided so he got the goose on Thursday. He says I'M GONNA pick somebody up and so he drops Anthony Miller. It's an open waiver before the weekend drops Anthony Miller you know he picked up for next week. Jimmy Graham Tim Graham also goose tough unless you don't want to be now he I didn't play Jimmy Grandma but and now he's now he's like dropping Jimmy Graham to get Greg Olsen which is smart but that's what the that's what can happen. You can be like Oh my gosh you've gotta move on and then go get Jimmy Graham and get the same goose out of him you got an Oj Howard Jason The dragon yes but Oj Howard what the heck me. I I will play. OJ Howard next week have a better option year Bruce Arians to Howard I did he said be better. Yeah getting get better Delaney Walker disappointing four thirty nine disappointing but again tight ends flurry fun very fun position to not have one of the best guys that'll do it for seekers of the week presented by odor eaters odor eaters. The best bat heave bands in odor defense the best did I say an issue did owners the best in okay if you're listening out there. Od here's the best and odor defense. It's look sometimes. The stink is so bound you might as well double up on that defense and that'll do it for today's show. We want to thank the studio sponsor. Pristine auction action yesterday someone snagged Travis Kelsey signed chiefs logo football for eighty four dollars auction dot. COM surprised Kelsey didn't and snag it those Mitts but somebody got it on the cheap hundreds of daily auctions pristine auction dot com use the registration code baller lawler's how you guys doing through the weekend we took. We took care league want again. Yes so most of my teams. took a kind of a how do you say dumped ski big. Big Smelly dump scheme over the weekend except for NFL League one where we have the back back to back highest score of the expert for division. We will be sending them another of merchandise yeah. It's getting expensive for us all the stuff. We really annoying at this point. So how'd you do in Dynasty Handy. I smoked Brooks he sure did I smoked brooks don't you he wasn't trolling. He got what Oh Bronx good-bye everybody the most. It's Brooke thing ever goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot DOT COM and follow us on twitter at the F. F. ballers.

football Hardman Mike brees Jason NFL Lamar Jackson Mason Rudolph Mark Andrews John Ross Pat Pat Mahomes Andy Dalton TA Dalvin Cook Jimmy Garoppolo twitter Tom Brady League Patrick Mahomes Jacksonville Taylor
Standard is the Standard: Gauging the progress of the Steelers after one week of training camp

Behind the Steel Curtain

1:05:22 hr | 1 year ago

Standard is the Standard: Gauging the progress of the Steelers after one week of training camp

"Of behind the steel curtain dot com with you as always for another episode of the flagship podcast. The standard is a standard joining me as always this new flashy feature and if you're watching on youtube leg-glance marron the screen the same exact time. We never leave so lance. Don't go picking your nose or anything the lane yawn yawn. I got net on thursday the three they're they're talking about like oh. My gosh falls anyways lance what's going on. How are you today a great actually looking at looking at our backgrounds list listeners. Give me some suggestions and suggestions. This stark. White background is bad minds more gray like like like i don. I need something to put it back around like this is really bad like we're not in an insane. Asylum show at new trust me right now. He is correct not in padded rooms here but anyways we're we're gonna talk about the pittsburgh steelers <hes> and there's a lot to talk about in week. One is completely in the the books now with the pittsburgh steelers at training camp <hes> last. Let's talk about some big events. Having this past week friday was the friday night's practice which is typically the most physical practice of training camp backs on backers things like that yesterday they did hold practice non padded and essentially kind of boring as mike tomlin unlabelled it until the two minutes until the end today is their family fest at heinz field six thirty practice. You can go if you're in the pittsburgh area. You have to pay a small fee but unless you can go and watch practice in heinz field in a day off so what i wanna talk when you got lance today was some of the headlines going into camp and where they stand now so when you think about some of the story lines that were being molded around as the steelers reported to camp last thursday to me. I'm going to ask you a few view those if you can think of some you can go and find a way to meet. It was none bigger than juju smith schuster filling the shoes of antonio brown. What was it gonna look like aac. Is he going to be able to to be a number one receiver and that's only been a week. There hasn't been any games balloons from what you've read so far. How do you feel like jesus jared in terms of this storyline he line and where it's headed. I mean when you think of juju. I mean that's the guy that you don't worry about. I mean juju is a guy. That's been highly productive in his first couple of seasons. In the national national football league and ginger gets right. We always say it all the time. Juju gets it so i'm not surprised at juju has been outstanding and camp over last week his work ethic is professional demeanor how he just gets it that if there was some player that the pittsburgh steelers need to step up to the challenge of trying to fill the shoes of van tonio brown and sorry oh sorry sorry mr. third and fifth. If there's anybody anybody who needs to replace that you want to replace mr third and fifth it would be juju. Juju is gonna take on that challenge and i think the thing we forget is juju still extremely young. I mean this is a very young guy doing what he's doing. The national football league so that just shows you where where he is in terms of the food chain in terms of his ability as a professional athlete jude was a special player and i'm not surprised by what i'm reading and what i'm hearing about his performance performance and cramped encamped as far the biggest thing for me and i've seen this a couple of times one was with an interview joshua dobbs. I wanna see the other one might have. I've been with a mature if it was a receiver a quarterback but they essentially what they said was. It is scary territory me. They save jujubes one on one. We expect him to win to win the ball. They're gonna throw it to him when he's just single coverage. That's antonio brown. I'm sorry i know i've mr third and fifth breath but it will just as short things up here. That's what they said about number eighty four when he was in pittsburgh if he's single covered were thrown in the ball because we know he's gonna win the battle. That's what they're already saying. In in juju smith schuster has already encamped. He's gone against joe haden and joe hayden is certainly not a slouch. Put it that way. Steven nelson has had a good camp so far and they've been exploiting these matches one on one. I think that's a really good sign for the steelers. The question is lance and i'll ask ski. This is a defensive guy. How often do you think he's going to see one on one coverage. I don't think he's gonna see it a lot. Well actually i take that back. I think judy was going to see one on one coverage average early. You know the national football league's approval league. It's what's it supposed to show me statement story. Yes it's the show me state is to show me league. They they're going to make juju prove that he has to be double covered now. It may not be it may only before a few steps but they're gonna make gonna make him earn learn what mr third and fifth earned and getting designated double coverage safety on top brackets. They're gonna make him him earn that in if he does that. He's going to get it consistently so that means that other players are going to have to step up namely washington namely moncrieff reef possibly the rookie deontay johnson but i think early initially in the season juju will not get double coverage and i think in that first game i think what you're going to see in in classic patriots style is they're not gonna cover juju with stefan gilmore. They're gonna put the number two corner or on juju juju see how he holds up and they're going to put the fog. Ill more probably on james washington whoever they designate as number two but initially i think the league is gonna make juju do well in the pages also shade help towards that number two quarterbacks essentially bracket him on one side and force the other to beat stefan gilmore one on one at eh he always they always did with <hes> mister third and fifth and sometimes mister third fifth one that mr third and fifth also didn't play very often against the patriots for a myriad period of reasons mostly injury now spiral bomber in our live chats et. He saw the video clip of juju. This was yesterday's practice his dog buji who's probably more popular the most of the players on the team <hes> he showed up a training camp and was running around the field with him and spyro viruses. He looked thank. You got bigger. He did look like judy looks like he's bulked up a little bit like he's a he's looking at vic. Looks good looks in great shape. I think he's ready to go. I mean that's a desk that a polynesian background ju. I mean you know some moen's in tongans. Polynesian cats are huge. I mean choi paulo malo being that that small that's one of the most incredible things about toy paula mateo being <hes> south pacific islander like troy is tiny like joy is like absolutely tiny. That's probably the most incredible thing about troy vietnam famers coming from that background it actually being that small. I've had numerous friends offer the pacific islands those cats big those cats are big physical an agile in our incredible athletes and you're out on the west coast immigrants. I want to quick sidebar here and i don't want to take too much time talking about <hes> mister third and fifth but what are your thoughts and your round raider fans a lot. They can't be happy to mr third v m. He's basically am. I a going to see a foot specialist. I mean i've been following this story. I haven't been writing about it but i haven't following it. It seems like he's picking up where he left off in pittsburgh all right you know his feet lead more than a foot specialist i mean i don't know if you guys are aware i had surgery on my foot. In surgery is serious. Your feet are nothing to play with. He needs holy water. Those feet. I saw the picture of his feet. He needs holy water to be sprinkling those feet those feet look bad and my barbers in my barbershop where i go to they are already. I feel like they're already shaking their heads that the guy has drama and that he's a diva and a prima donna they were not impressed by the hot air balloon display blake and they have not been happy about his absence in camp well. There's this should be. It's crazy and in here jon gruden talk and he's just like we're ready to get the party. We started digging man. You've been in week and you don't know where oh man. Hey there's certain times where i felt this way for awhile since the trade was made whether you're kinda like man when mike tomlin called it a cleansing it was one hundred percents truth leave bells. They're going off on instagram apologizing to fantasy football owners. Mr third and fifth is m. I a because he's got some foot problem. The head coach doesn't know what's going on by by mr butler <unk>. Mr button naked gay rob the mean team that guy that guy has gone to it. I don't wanna get too graphic but you guys know where the clintons called called for. All you people that are healthy. You eat right. You know what we call. Those guys the lack of those guys essentially a kalanick. I mean he called him. Colonic enema like like the madurai like mr mrs. I mean look when you get caught of cleansing when you refer to remove as cleansing come on like it ain't the greatest compliment. It's not accomplish in fact at all right. You're exactly right so let's get back to the steelers talk. Here's what we're going to talk about. Next in the story line. I thought might have been the biggest story line outside of jesus. Schuster was first on pick devin bush the not the guy that they traded up ten spots to get tenth overall. What is it what are the expectations from. That was the question going into camp. I feel like i have a pretty solid on this the land from what you've read and what you've seen online what are your thoughts on devon bush heading into this first preseason game his upcoming friday against the bucks in heinz field. I got in trouble because i told you guys to not believe anything that you read or what you hear from training camp think lands. Don't tell me what yeah and i try to tell people yesterday on yeah i said at the first live broadcast yes look i mean in america. We're used to being told what to think so. Why should you feel feel upset already different. I'm just one of the many people that are telling you what to think. I mean that's what this is about. That's why we have podcast articles. Everybody tells you what to think so don't feel bad about me. I'm just another person in that long line of people that are telling you what to think i so just listen to me but what i think is consistent in everything that's being written about. Bush is his physicality and his athleticism and speed and the one thing that keeps showing up. You've talked about jeff <hes> c._c. Chris carter's talked about it. I mean everybody's talked about how he seems to be a staple in dying and in nickel in sub package football and i did a show yeah i said it a while ago about how vince williams is not not going to be playing a lot of snaps this year because of the way offense of football is played and because of the way he struggles in coverage. If you wanna see see those struggles just turn on a carolina panther game when mccaffrey is tearing him up now mccaffrey. I hate to complement stanford guys go okay. I'll go ascii and big up to tony gonzales for his induction into the pro football hall of fame cal football baby. You know what it is. <hes> go. You know you know it so the whole well dr world this is territory but when you saw mccaffrey tara vince williams i mean right there in and of itself it just told oh you need more speed and more versatility in the interior of your defense so the reports in the links of bush in diamond and nickel i am not surprised is that is what the doctor ordered in terms of team speed and versatility is defense needs one payment and i say right the training camp recaps of the website and i swear every single practice every single practice i have taken one or two tweets from media that are there on site and put them in there said hero again. It's not a negative. It's positive that bush is always around the football and coverage to me. That's where you're going to see. The biggest difference between last year and this year is number one one devon bush's knocking. He's going to be on the field from day one. I truly believe that. I said it from the start. I believe that even more now whatever eating in training camp there were two the guy in coverage coverage is so athletic you here you see another pass break up another pass breakups interception by bush every single practice. He's getting his hands on the football. He's that that dynamic. In terms of his athleticism change of direction and you know you might not see the best run stopper in the game but i think that'll he'll he'll get better in that regard guard but my goodness just coverage abilities. They're putting him on receivers and he's holding his own he had it. I'm gonna say was as a pass towards nothing ring ryan switzer. He picks it off. You know he's tipping the ball in the air. Other guys are picking it off just super dynamic so far knock on wood. I knew that they haven't played against anyone else and it's just practice in what everyone else whatever else you want to say. He is living up to the billion my in my opinion he here's love proof still but from what i expected h-have week one. I'm hearing all this good stuff. That's good. I'm happy i'm happy so far. We'll we'll put it that way so so i'm excited for devin bush friday at no doubt another story line i wanna get into view is the backup quarterback situation joshua dobbs mason rudolph or if you wanna throw in dash aka devon hodges <hes> neither of these guys is really impressed much <hes> they he said from what i've read and spoken with chris carter <hes> this is chris carter from d._k._k.'s <unk> calm and he <hes> i spoke with him on the phone the other day he said the dodgers's. This is not look good that he's throwing h many interceptions he scrambling to early holding on the ball too long if he hasn't looked too much better that he's just it. Neither of these guys are really clinging onto their their job or the opportunity will put it that way. <hes> lance your thoughts on the back of quarterback roles if your guy mason rudolph doesn't step up embiid out to get that number two position then the draft capital the investment that they made to move up to get him look stupid. You know it could be a mistake. I mean josh dobbs is an average. It's a below average player <hes> he was drafted. What was the draft around six round somewhere around there dobbs fourth fourth around fourth or fifth he he's not a good player and that's an indictment on him like when you come into the league we always talk about the three ps right pay production pedigree in terms of how i roster decisions and sometimes how depth chart decisions are made when you invest the draft capital today did for rudolph and he can't beat out a guy that was drafted lower than him then. That's an indictment on his ability as a football player given draft capital today invested to get him. They want to give him every opportunity to see him. Be that number two guy if he can did not clearly beat out dobbs. That's a problem i mean he's an expensive draft. Pick it regards to what they gave up to get him. He has to play hey better and so hopefully it trans more positively but they can't be happy with his performance and camp thus far. I guarantee folks that are wanting to know what the what is the the inside scoop here on both these quarterbacks i mean yeah they're gonna look at these practices and what they do in practice this in my opinion this quarterback number the backup quarterback job. I was gonna come down to preseason games period. How do they play when they're in a stadium is mike tomlin says and so if on friday night i guarantee you. Joshua dobbs gets the football all to start the game because he was number two last year because he's played in extra year <hes> in a if he plays well and rudolf doesn't then he has the inside edge. I don't i think they have some predestine. You know mason rudolph the guy unless joshua dobbs changes her mind. I literally think it's going to be a let's see what they have and we'll find out <hes> so let's go to the last headline last storyline here before we go over to your topic. You wanna talk about you. That's the worldwide leader in sports entertainment e._s._p._n. <hes> <hes> last he'll get there. We'll get there. Let's talk about <hes> just kind of talked about one rookie but i i wanna get your opinion on on the free agent acquisitions the players that have experienced that are expected to be an impact player was three players mainly. That's mark barron at steven nelson and as dante moncrieff. What are your take on them so far throughout one week at camp. Please do not look up moncrieff finger. That was nasty st goodness. They showed his finger popout. Oh man it was nasty. It was one of those <hes> you know. They went behind the bleachers and pop that finger back in because that guy was back at practice. It was asked i mean it was going left. Ills really nasty. Don't look at that picture from everything i've read. He's done well but i think i i'm happy to hear that nelson his plan really good and you saw a couple of clips on the internet barons ability to the boundary and lay some would that's what they need. They need more speed on his defense. They need more able to get more guys around footba aw to generate more turnovers. It looks like from everything we're hearing. It's a lot because there's a lot of stuff out there that both nelson and barron are showing going up in a big way less song that team speed on defense with the music they make. Let's assume that what your prediction was comes to fruition. That's vince williams is knock arkadi playing as much as everyone thinks so. Let's say it's bush and baron in the middle and we have nelson hayden on the outside davis and edmunds in the back end. We all know the front in the in the outside pass rushers you happier. The team speed on defense. Yeah i mean i think we put too fast guys. In the interior that elevate your teams be that elevates your ability to go side to side for one half of the boundary one hash the other boundary i think at that dynamic ability and speed in your interior i mean it just it just makes you a lot faster across the board and i think the world so-called worldwide leader put put an article out there about the team speed. I i think if you put bush you put on the field. I think the slowest guy on that defense ran you know maybe like a four nine and it'd be hargrave. That's raskin in. He's a noticed that he's let me ask you something jeff. I mean on on the day that outstanding inaugural episode on a stack geek and he talked about about somebody cap space that was freed up <hes>. I think that money has to go towards an extension of hargrave not joe hated. I think you put an investment in the younger player. Not the older guy corner. I think is more valued position but i think thank you have to fortify your front and you've got to keep hardgrave inside because that's skillset is rare having inside guy that can plug that compassion rush and that can play in some packages. I think the only knock against hargrave is the fact that his snap count how has to go up right. He has the play more snaps in more sub packets football but it's hard on this front when you have hayward into but i think i think they should make the investment in hargrave not joy if he wrote to me n._f._l. The steelers and i'm thinking about this purely as an owner general manager that signing signing checks giving our contracts. I'm not hargrave sean davis. I'm not dealing with you all at all until after the season because i don't have to you're still a rookie deal and i'm going to have a period of time after the season to give you a contract. That's based on your production from this past season so giovanni <unk> had six and a half sacks until eighteen. That's phenomenal for a part part-time player. That's that's outstanding dude again. We'll pay you know <hes> at the same time same with sean davis had up and downs in your career so far you've played played a lot of different positions not saying you're not valuable if you if you don't show out i'll pay you ask ask all these guys ramon foster all these guys that have stayed when it looks like like their contracts expire and they're gonna hit creates. I'm not worried about that. Joe hayden is a little bit different because if you feel and this is i would have to rely coaching staff here. If you feel the he still has three good seasons left in him and he's thirty if you threes threes offers left. I'd be willing to make with him now because it can save you money later her. That's the biggest thing joe hayden is due eleven million dollars this year towards the salary cap so if i give him a new contract before they started the season and i can take some of that eleven million and move it into the signing bonus area decrease. Some of those early years like the steelers always do backload a lot of his contract and i have no problem going to give me more money to spend on hargrave davis after this season so for me if i'm looking at it as from not a fan perspective general manager owner the team. That's how i'm approaching it. I think that's solid. I mean i mean that approach is definitely want. I think they'll look at it. I think when you speak of hayden in getting that extension is and i don't know this off the top of my head. I'm sure the oracle dave scofield knows <hes> how good or coroners when you're thirty two thirty three like how good are are corners post thirty. How well do they like. How well do they hold up not from injury <unk> buffering going all lance here. He's been so good for those who follow the show. It had been so good for so long. He changed his provider. He was one of those guys that he's calling. He's on the phone. I hope you'll realize that some of the connected connectivity issues that we've had with like brian anthony davis and lands. It's not that they're not trying but sometimes you know what it's like a when internet kicks up and and goes high haywire still we will get land back up z. back you there. I'm back xfinity baby xfinity. I don't know if that's something you should be touting right now when i was on a._t. And t. i would have stayed dark. Okay so you were saying about. <hes> you know like guys i sean davis hargrave and hayden hayden having success between the ages of thirty thirty three for quarterbacks. It'd be a good thing to look up. It'd be an interesting discussion russian yeah. I wanna see where the drop off is. I mean i'm not sure it would derail rebus derail re. This was awesome player for a particular amount of time. Then there was a drop drop-off tylar congratulations to tie lawyers induction the pro football hall of fame pick up to him aliquippa p._a. I have relatives out in that area from in beaver falls rochester aliquippa so big up to that community. He was absolutely right. If you saw any of his speech todd law speech debt the level of competitiveness <unk> out there in rochester in beaver falls it aliquippa and a number of hall of famers at they've had inducted in that small area outside of pittsburgh is outstanding. I mean you're talking about dick. You're talking about law. It's talking about tony dorsett. I mean they've had phenomenal players even his uncle <hes> derail rivas leave is comes from aliquippa sean rogers. I mean they've had tremendous. <hes> tremendous talent come out of the air given how small it is but it's definitely something did not <hes> i'll throw a bug and a dave's <hes> ear to see you know if he wants to join me in that research take a look at really corners and see how they perform after thirty thirty 'cause that has to go take the here's a deasy in our lives had said. Do you think that sherman is still elite. He's thirty one years old richard sherman. Yes absolutely not so that would be was nearly two years ago. Was he still on the seahawks he was he was wanting to see how yes i don't think he's been in the league player system but i think he also had her injury he towards the keys a._c._l. He had a bad injuries. There has to factor in like a house. You're gonna hold up physically <hes> but i think when he was healthy and when he was with seattle he was a dominant player for sure but i don't think he's approached what he was in seattle in san francisco. I think it also depends on to me. What do you want to do with the cornerback. Drill rebus was ribas island for a reason he was unmatched when it came to one on one put put me out on an island and i got it on lockdown but at the same time it's not not every quarterbacks asked to do that. I don't see joe haden being asked to do that to any types lives so if he fits your system and you think even if he gets a harris lower but still has the veteran presence to play in your system that maybe you offer him a had a tooth. I wouldn't do an extension. I tried to get him a new deal. Altogether draft a corner they yeah they did they did justin lane haven't heard much from him from camp just to chime in there but <hes> we'll see. We'll see it's interesting. These are some storylines. We're going to keep an eye on. I'm gonna go out on a limb here nostradamus style and save it joe haden. We'll get an extension before the season starts. No it's not no strict thomas his gesture dominance. It sounds safety jeff strict up. It's so i'm gonna sending you can disagree. I'm gonna say he is going to get an e padre right before the start of the regular season i don't disagree and it's largely because what he's owed and if they can take the money that he's owed the eleven million billion roll that into a signing bonus spread that out and give themselves cap relief. I think they do that to give them some money to then. Try to go after her. You know a player to fill a whole maybe tied in <hes>. Maybe an additional. You know maybe a tied in specifically. Maybe an additional oh depth a defensive line <hes> i think where they can use that cap space to shore up the roster certain areas definitely the type of position. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown. Forecast your avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically komo news. It's all spoiled. Every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as long as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Let's look at the number so they saved about three point nine round up to four from two. It's restructure if they give hayden a new deal and then say that frees up six of his eleven that he's supposed to get this year so takes his eleven million hit down to five you just save you just freed up ten million dollars of cap space. You need to get like you said and make a move make trade. Do whatever you have to do because people forget. If you make a trade for a player you have to pay that players salary for that season and so it's not like you want pasha peterson. Let's trade mr third and fifth patrick peterson. We'll patrick peterson was a lot of money and he'd have the dead cap hit from <hes> mister third and fifth still on your books. You can't afford that so that just isn't the way it works but i do want to say something over here in a live chat matthew thomas thomas at ten show. Can i wrote this article. The other day is about <hes> terrible austin the secondary coach. It's new with the team. He's been mandating quarterbacks quarterbacks and safeties work on the jugs machine before or after practice and he asked you think it will be related turnovers my first response. When i saw this was is there he serious serious thinking the same thing happening. You know what's even more more asinine than that was with ben rothlisberger caillebotte city start working out in the off season near fourteen all then that's like the dumbest s-h-i-t take her like really like these dudes they get no picks couple of man on the strip that i taylor played for the steelers they should be catching balls before and after practice. I can't worse like that. Alone should have caused them to do that like that. That's disturbing. I we know that takes my optimism. It strips it away. It just makes me go what the h e double hockey sticks. Have they take well. It is from a from a coaching standpoint right because all men austin's making this cornerback safety did the judge what's amazing timeout you telling me carnell lake bradley last season you haven't had you guys working on catching the football my gosh if you got a practice they act like they act like that was a eureka moment like eureka. They're catching balls. All the judge was after like you're like that's not you rica like discovery electricity. Is you like that's all the bottom of the totem pole. A great thoughts like oh wide receivers and quarter should catch extra balls of the judge shave come on man come on ben rothlisberger saying holy cow eating three hundred grams of carbohydrates a day and not doing anything other than golf isn't going to make him like in mobile the pocket doc id wow eat like like some of the stuff is just like you just can't believe it like i. I just can't believe that it took like five coaches and a head coach not paying attention attention to realize that corners leads to catch the ball jugs in our in our live chat. Justin com says defensive justice covered the jobs machine and he married ella. Hello today sog receivers like we have. What's that machine over there. It looks pretty cool. It's a spitting footballs out at. They're catching a bad at a healthy. You're catching balls won't help me catch balls. Oh no no no no. It just won't do it but it just goes to show you that. Sometimes we take for granted. The national football league every single coach is a is a really good coach. It's not always the case not always the case because look. I've always said this. You'll get a guy like carnell lake and i could go to much greater extent other sports just because you were awesome and you were it doesn't mean you can coach. I'll give you the perfect example in hockey wayne gretzky as a coach. They call them the great one. Was he a good coach not really because i'm can actually to. I'll give you a better example even more closer to home. Joey porter yeah great player average coach coach yeah. That is the absolute truth. I i'm starting to see now that i think the bud depre- was the the reason why change got five to get those arms down but i can't do coach. I just can't the jugs but she eighties guys come on man. You think you think that team up north that the d._b.'s for that team up north have been on the the jugs machine for a few years. You think event yeah yeah okay. Let's let's shift gears. Now you wanna talk about your show which debuted reviewed online live on youtube. We finally got lance on youtube. People would have been saying. I'm not gonna subscribe until lance. Williams is on youtube. We'll yesterday he delivered and today you all delivered. We've had probably the biggest subscription day. I'm not saying it's just because i don't want to. I don't want your ego to get bigger than the little screen that you have there in front of you. It's already large. We went from just shy of three thousand to almost thirty one hundred and of course of probably a week so is a big eggs description for us. We want to thank all of you. That's subscribe. We appreciate that but lance good job on the show yesterday. You wanted to talk about the topic with me. Go ahead and deliver the leads. We talked about yesterday on the show that e._s._p._n. Hates the pittsburgh steelers. I should have said e._s._p._n. Hates the pittsburgh steelers and they love the cleveland browns rounds and some of the roster rankings that they gave the pittsburgh steelers. I i thought were out of bounds. Let me ask you one about the first one jeff <hes> and the quarterback position they put the steelers roster at the quarterback position at nine and largely they we had baker mayfield rated as the number ten quarterback it had been rothlisberger rated as the number nine quarterback above rothlisburger. They had jared goff <hes>. Who else did they have. That was a surprise guy they had jared goff was one of the guys i know for sure. I made my at midnight. Ryan was is up there. I don't think so but but just just speak to nine baker mayfield. I feel is ten. I'm gonna go it case it for me a._t. The sample sizes baker mayfield is way too small before anyone decides sides. They're gonna put him near the realm of ben rothlisberger and i'm going to go to a you said a few years ago might have been last week. If baker mayfield was ten he would have completed that pass against the ravens that exactly the first down would have put them in field goal right. They would've won that football game instead. What does he do. He throws a game clinching interception. After that incomplete pass baker mayfield can be special quarterback. I know yes some. Here's a skill that's unique <hes> but at the same time again i'm not taking away from what he is his potential. I just think that rank him that i should not be based on potential. It should be based on what you've actually done on the football field and what he's done on the football field is not much exactly. Let me give you the top list baker at ten ben at nine gov gough at eight russell wilson at seven andrew look at six that they had rivers rogers brady mahomes in breeze. That's how it was rated out. Now i slot it been after philip rivers at six and so what about philip rivers makes him better than men on asperger's well. The thing that makes been better than philip rivers is playoff success. I think i think day are comparable. I mean rivers puts up astronomical nominal numbers typically. I mean i mean philip rivers. I think is also a hall of fame quarterback <hes> especially if if warren moon and some other guys guys are in the hall of fame without winning rings i think philip rivers is one of those guys i think you can flip a coin and argue tomato tomato either either which one you like like better but i know for sure been is better than andrew luck russell wilson jared goff in baker mayfield. I guess i look oh cat it and are you looking at the article that was tears that the tier quarterbacks or is this a different article. This was a different article again so i i liked it. It was one one we're ben. Rothlisberger was at the very end of the tier one tier three once. You're one tier two tier three e._s._p._n. Did this actually leading. I'm sorry mike sando used to write for e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. Now rights to the athletic he did this article and a pass now it's on the athletic and he had been rothlisberger at the tail end of tier one and his description and say okay what is is. How do you decipher a tier. One quarterback hits with the game on the line. You're you're supremely confident. They're going to get the job done and so when i think about that i asked myself. Are we really confident that ben rothlisberger still going to get the job done with the game on the line. That's the question lands you see my pause at my hesitation taste into question you know came up in my mind honestly was that picking denver. Josh was interception denver is. I'm not sure i'll be honest. I'm not sure i'm not sure if he's gonna take care of a football in big spots. I'm not completely cert- it's yeah. Then these are questions. These are tough questions. Do you have to let you know black and gold glasses on abso- benson in that situation not really in the past few years. He has a bit <hes>. I do think that last year they had some magic you the other day. I was on the channels and i saw the f. s. One was airing the thirty minute special. You know how they do this thirty minute blocks for every team where it's kind of like a review of review of last season preview of this season and i got to see the steelers episode and i was watching the oakland game and i completely forgot about the hook and ladder raiders because everyone remembers how boswell slips on the kick that i'm like holy crap like those that play worked they did have some late game success in the denver a game where they drove down the field and god in that position in it was just boneheaded mistakes and this goes back to a text you sent me when you're watching film and that was last year's team was pretty good. They just made some really stupid mistakes. Really stupid times played some dumb football last year so i think ben still has it and i'm still be. I'm a big ben. I'm i'm a big fan fan. I will say that i'm not going to deny that. I still think he has it. I still confident that if he gets the ball in his hands and he's gonna he's gonna make plays is he. Gonna make mistakes absolutely absolutely but then again. Tom brady mistake last year at heinz field to no one's perfect. No one's perfect and tom brady ironically threw interception in the end zone and a._f._c. championship against kansas kansas city so these guys make mistakes and also big ben makes to throw in denver years ago in a playoff to jericho khatri to send the game to overtime through a doc on a post route to khatri which was just an absolute missile fitted in a small window and gets it done so you know been as always been this frustrating strating guy for me <hes> given stuff that he says balanced that with this performance on the field some of the off-field chicanery mannequins that that had been his co. His been saddled with or dealt with or it's done but you know i still feel confident going into a g- ain't been rothlisberger number seven under center. I feel much more confident in that. I think cleveland browns fans should believe in mr mustache mustache baker mayfield. That's for sure history mustang cheesy video shotgun a beer at the indians game yeah. What a clown. Oh man that you think that guy's me guy like like he he. He's amiga it drips. It drips off. Baker baker likes to be the the subject in the conversation so to speak. I the sad thing for me is that the steelers aren't gonna play the browns to after the halfway point and i would have loved to have played in the first quarter week four week five to really shut them up but i have a feeling though already be shut up by the time live the steelers playing for the first time on thursday night football so there you go so u._c._s._b. And the biggest thing for me is that i can't stand how everything is based around the same teams over and over again. You know you turn it on. You're inundated with ezekiel elliott. Jerry jones and you're inundated aided with the patriots and tom brady. You're inundated with aaron rodgers. It's everybody except the steelers and that's always been one of the cruxes for why way back in two thousand fifteen or fourteen when we started this show. I wanted to do a podcast for fans that don't want to hear about that. Other crap in one just around the steelers is that that's why we do this. That's why now this upcoming week with a game. We'll be doing post game. We're getting any seven shows this week. There's a lot of contact. Take your a steelers fan. You love <unk>. Dealers is the place to be pretty. That's for sure. Could you know what he s._p._n. Is e._s._p._n. Is the guy that gets infatuated with the new girl aw that that that's years you know e._s._p._n. Is the one that gets the new girlfriend gets infatuated is all excited tells all his friends dot da showers our gifts on her. All you hear is hill talk about her. You don't see him. He disappears for a while. The dinnie shows of six weeks later after he broke up with her her and then he picks a new girl. The browns are the new girl for the national league football coverage for e._s._p._n. Let me let me east of other rankings so they they had the browns at the quarterback position. They had the browns or steelers at nine to browns at thirteen at the running back position. They had steelers at fourteen the browns at two at the wide receiver position they had the steelers seventeen the browns at five at the tide imposition they had the steelers at twenty and the browns at six and at the offense line they had the steelers at four in lebron's at twenty one of those rankings which one stands out to you as the one. That's the most erroneous aw he rattled them out really quick. Let me give it to you again. Quarterback nine thirteen running back fourteen into wide wide receiver seventeen to the browns five and tied in twenty two the browns six offensive line the steelers four four ranking to the browns twenty first. I'd say wide receiver because i think jus that good yet lost mr third and fifth but at the same time i think jus stabalise setting into his w zone <hes> i think increase going to help <hes> you hope the james washington step up deontay johnson things like that <hes>. It's it's going to be interesting to see. That's what i'd wide receiver wide receiver. React to me a i think i i i pointed out. I thought it was at the tight end position like i know that the depth behind vance mcdonald is spotty at best but i didn't i think that the difference between vance and in joke who warranted gap of fourteen positions in terms of ranking when you look at the browns compared fair to the steelers. I think vance is the best tied in division. I think he's better than jokue. <hes> the only issue with vance is injuries and staying healthy so i thought that discrepancy was big but the thing that stands out in the rankings with a comparison of the steelers the browns as at all line the steelers surfboard lebron's or at twenty one at interior defensive line steelers <unk> are at five in the browns are at nineteen sat that is why in my opinion the steelers should be the favorites to win the a._f._c. north and why e._s._p._n. Is ultimately haters peter's because for all of the experts that they have on their network football is play coaches g._m. Guys they know that the game is won in the trenches and when you have that level of difference four to twenty one on line and five in one thousand nine hundred that's where the game is won. You watch those games between the steelers. Dealers lebron's last year steelers beat up the browns up front on both sides of the ball. I agree hundred percent. Baker mayfield can't complete. He passes if he's on his back so that's it and that's to me the you talked about the the analogy of e._s._p._n. And the girl they're also only excited about the skill position players rarely unless there's an injury. Are they talking about you know the the battle of the trenches speak offense and defensive lines and if they did the steelers should get a lot more blurred praise. I think they have the best three four defensive front and football and i think they have one of the desktop offensive offensive lines and football so is there anything else you under complain about e._s._p._n. Or good you want to go to questions now. Let's go to question e._s._p._n. Sucks that's what i want. Sir let me let me let me rephrase that in at all mainstream media sucks i can't think of. I don't think the i don't like the n._f._l. Network either that much <hes> f s this one nope <hes> for me. I don't watch too much of that stuff anymore to put it bluntly. <unk> jeremiah wants to know. Do you think that this dealers hand can the operative word is can not will can they win the super bowl this year. Absolutely i mean i think they can <hes> will is a different story but yes i think they're talented enough on both sides of the bottle when a super bowl i do i agree. I think that they are capable of winning a super bowl this year like you said you're not predicting that they will but you're saying that they are capable. I think there definitely are capable you. Don't you don't why jeff because quote quote bid is motivated did he. He's enjoying football joining football again eureka eureka and it while he should be happy because he has his team back jack. Who's going to challenge them now. No one exactly they're all little minions. I call it a little bit lineup binion's. It'd be there little binion's a t shirt you get a picture of like grew with the number seven jersey in the hey. Hey hey if you if i see that t shirt out there you took it from us like this you better you better give shirts or somehow incorporate us in the ah yes great grass great jeff being yes bid grew grew with the number seven jersey on and the denizens who i've never seen we'll have number eleven. Dan will have all these number bird one of them with a headset on time. I'm all right so let's go to snowman. He's put five dollars in the tip jar via the super chat which by the way i'll go mentioned this. The super chat features the way that you can give some money to the program and where you see. Where's this chat publicly b._t. As he's jewish radio to the right there's a small dollar sign you click that dollars. You can donate any amount of money to the show. We appreciate anything that you're willing to give but on top of that understand that it'll highlight your question and we'll guaranteed answers. A lot of people ask questions. We can't get all them but we will get yours. If you use that feature. You don't have have to use it but you can in his questions. Will the steelers go after a tight end before the start of the regular season lands. I believe so. I think it's imperative that they do do. I don't think anybody in steeler nation is is comfortable with <hes> savior grumble being the backup tight here they. I think it's imperative that they do because you know when you look at their offense if you look at the snap counts from formation perspective they run a lot too tight end stuff. I mean i think that's their second. Most popular formation behind eleven personnel which is three receivers wore running back for three hours. He was one tied in but you need a you need to be able to have two tight end. Sets you need to be able to make defenses play heavy and you attack them in the passing game by being able to get your tight ends matched up one on one against linebackers. That's a popular popular way. That teams are attacking guys. Offensively inish dealers need that secondary tight end threat. I mean i mean nobody really liked that. Guided added went to the lion's. Amine solid player <hes> but they need a secondary tied anger. I agree in vance mcdonald. Donald had a pretty decent year last year in terms of health but his m._o. Up until last season was that he is an injury prone player in that scary that is really scary <hes> <hes> because i think he can be in mismatched nightmare. I think he's going to be a focal point of his offense. Especially the aerial attack you take him out totally changes the complexity of the steelers off as soudan forward. Hey i'm the editor and the verge host of the verge cast even revamping the versus more and more lately and coming out the episodes twice a week sometimes even at third bonus episode on on tuesdays. I talked to influential people around the world attack like microsoft founder bill gates and other tech exacts like the founder of lime scooters the c._e._o. Beyond meat we've also been talking a lot of reporters and academics. I'm expect a major pressing policy issues tech like facebook's content moderation around doing great youtube harassment plan or lack thereof and whether or not the government should break up amazon twitch. Maybe it should and then every friday i sit down with executive editor bone and paul miller for a chat show. We cover the latest in tech news product of you. Bring in our other reporters from around the verge. That show is parties. Party's listen to it. You can hear all that more. If you subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast bluff rita listen join us so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast. We'll see there so let's go to <hes> guinea crosby unique names. Do you think the key to this season is none other than devon bush. No no no. I don't not at all but i wanna give that guy props for having the best name ever again he crosby. That's that's the best thing ever i mean. That's you know that name so versatile like that could be a band. That could just be like that could be a bad name. That could just be a kick ass. I mean that that that's the best name ever big up to you for having the most versatile awesome named ever but no the season does not rest on death in bush the season wrestle and the guy. We just talked about number seven harry that it's being it's been into binion's. It rests on number seven. If number seven is not playing quality football the ball and it's not healthy. They got no shot in you know what to do anything. It always rests on the quarterback. Just keep it simple stupid if being as has been goals they go. That's right. I agree on resent can't disagree with that. It's a quarterback driven. Lee you need a good quarterback and quarterback play well all right so <hes> jeremiah jeremiah says you think will win the a._f._c. north division this year you kind of already said how do you see the rankings all four teams when all said and done i think i i know who you are two and three and we're not supposed to give props to ravens players or to the ravens period but big up to ed battery for dissing the bungles and the browns it was classic. If you guys have not seen that i had not seen yet okay the context of it they we're talking about. He was giving props to his miami. Hurricane teammates <hes> and he was in his acceptance yesterday said his acceptance speech else the bungles and the browns and acceptance speech. It is awesome so he's this is reference to his miami teammates in terms arms of people saying that they were good enough to play n._f._l. Teams and he was saying no. I've been in this league no disrespect to anybody but now we weren't good enough to play against being used to play against n._f._l. Teams did he said well. Maybe some of them brown teams it. Maybe maybe some of the bungalows boggles no. He said they're big. Browns teams being teams did he said no. No no no no l. disrespect it. It's great. You have to be great to play in his league. We couldn't have competed against those teams. Did he said although you know i did get thirty one interceptions against the browns and the bengals it everybody started laugh is so big up to add read the first time i could say eddie needed to the funny thing about every washington do it is. He should've had his head on a swivel. Look for highs ordered a background. You know highs not ed read out a new numerous times so he should have been watching keeping his head will for highs war but here in my rankings bungles last dead last bungles are terrible t sleep terrible roster terrible team new head coach a._j. Greenhouse they're gonna suck okay. I'm gonna put the rate. I'm going to put the browns at three woo. Okay a combustible quarterback that guy that likes to have his face out front odell. Oh beckham freddie kitchens. All of that is combustible. I think the browns can be a dangerous team after this season when they get a year under their belt up to kind of work this altogether there's a lot of moving parts there. I think the biggest issue for the browns is freddie kitchens. You've got a new head coach who has asked to figure this out on the fly. You've had coast for years. I've been a head coach that first time. You're a head coach it's been it's moving movin fast. You have no idea how to do anything. You have an idea of how this all works but you don't know how this all works. He will be a much better coach coach next year. He's gonna struggle this year. I gotta put the ravens at number two. I respect the ravens work. I don't like the ravens. I put them at to lamar jackson keeping him healthy. He's going to be the biggest issue. I think they have excellent secondary. They're not as good in trenches as they typically are so. I put them at two. I think the steelers classified addition best quarterback best coach. <hes> you know i think the class i think the steelers whirlwind dish i agree <hes> <hes> the ravens. It's interesting because john harbaugh says in an interview that they're gonna run. Lamar jackson looks like twenty five times a game good look more jackson says we're not going to run me as much anymore so whether they did that purposely or not but the quarterback in the coach might want to be on the same page when it comes to how they're going to realize him if they run him twenty five times a game. There's a guy named robbery from the third. He's actually on that roster. Talk to him about what will happen to his career. It'll be very short-lived so y- i don't know i it it. I see go either way. I think the bengals are definitely the worst of the four sure and it's going to be close the other three. I think the steelers do win it. <hes> i think eleven wins could win. At this year. I predicted the steelers to have a thirteen and three season and i'm super optimistic and cook eleven and five. He's like i said okay ten eleven wins. I think it'd be good enough to win it all right <hes>. We'll give you more question for we call it. A shell. Snowman was two bucks in the tip jar. How will the secondary do this year in your opinion. I think they'll be he better than last year. I don't think they'll be an elite secondary. I i think they'll be average to slightly above average. I think addition of nelson helps <hes> you get a better <hes> cornerback when that opposite end i mean you're going to be better when when cody since abbass notch story i mean that's that's addition by subtraction russian just in and of itself so i think they'll be better from that perspective but from the safety position we need both safeties to make more plays and i'd like what i'm reading reading it when i'm read the comments from edmonds that he feels really comfortable in this defense and he has the ability now to play fast and in given that and given his athletic ability. I think that's a good thing so i'll say average to above average jeff. What did you think about his comments about him. Having a two point one percent body fat is that possible now knows that okay anytime anytime a male individual gets around on six six percent. It is not a sustainable level of body fat percentage. You're you're talking about like the elite bodybuilders that have shed the body body fat and it's only gonna last probably maximum twenty four to forty eight hours and that's when the body's going to start to slowly shutdown is the same with the kid we got drafted by the seahawks out of ole miss decay metcalf. Yeah you might be eight percent and that super lean and you can live at eight percent. You're not gonna you're gonna be hungry all the time and you're going to be exercising precising a ton but two percent no michael jordan when he we get down around six percent body fat he would talk about how his feet would start to hurt because you forget forget about the fat cells that are in your joints it helped cushion the joints and his feet was really hurt and so he would always try to stay between eight and ten 'cause that was more comfortable so <hes> <hes> like a healthy probably twenty five you know like a healthy seventeen could kendall bird healthy c._b._s. used as an adjective in punctuate between like seventeen and a half. You know when the mood is up at sunset yeah well. I'm gonna leave my body. De percentage out of it this sport show we'll talk. Okay <hes>. Let's let's see here <hes> another question. What do you think about <hes> cameron. Sutton iron can't cam sudden. He's the cornerback okay so there's there's lands is who so we talked about how we didn't really think mike hillman cam son. That was a camp battle and i still believe that but cameron sutton is playing some really good football so far and again talked with chris carter who's been at the training camps. He's been there seen it with his own. Is he knows football. He said jeff. This guy is falling out right now to the point where you're going to have to find a way to get him on the field. That's what he said. I i trust him. I trust a hundred percent and so i wrote an article today about how mike hilton is playing some safety and practice and that's because they don't have good depth there there sean davis is out with the finger still of he had a dislocated finger they've been keeping him out and while that's nothing new <hes> the mike illness played safety and training camp before but at the same time i'm thinking shoot this could be cameron. Sudden wave finding his way onto the field dime. You put hilton in is like a pseudo safety if they want to throw out the dollar defense again this year. There's your answer. There cam sutton's playing well. He's playing football. I mean i think you answered it. It's it's the solution is packed football where maybe they are more of a dime defense when they go to packages as opposed to a nickel defense you don't put on a third safety and dime you play four quarters into safeties you keep <hes> you sean davis and you keep edmonds on the field with four quarters as opposed to maybe put a third safety on the field and you play four corners in sutton gets on the field in that in that alignment of the defense so you know anytime. You have corners playing well. It's a great thing i mean this is. This is a passing. This is a passing league. The more good corners you can put out there <hes> the better what what is he said to you see see if anything about already murders and not much not much variety <hes> he mentioned a couple other guys some of the stuff. He told me it was kinda. Like amy endless keeps us on the download for now <hes> but he did say that cameron sutton's playing well. He said he liked what he saw any snow junior so far for those that are thinking about the rookie running back that he's really acclimated himself to doing what an n._f._l. Running backs asked to do. That's catch the ball of the backfield. That's block and that's also run. <hes> he served debuted one thing that the back bus do ball security. Yes yes yes. Yes very good. Good point. I talked about the back of quarterbacks. I mentioned that earlier and and <hes> those are the it. We talked about some other stuff. <hes> like i said some some source stuff that i have not going to say on the edges yet nonetheless nonetheless there you go. I think jeremiah's question of who is my favorite football team. I mean. I don't know what you're doing. Man i mean this is a cici my shirt i mean i don't know this were a fan site. This is run by fans. I like the steelers your college football. I don't follow college football. So so there you go from pittsburgh so that answer the question okay so those that contributed or super chats davey appreciate it lands. Do you have anything to add if we call it a show. I don't know if i if i if i gave props to player i know i wanted to do it. <hes> before four and we were talking about the rundown but i wanted to send my condolences to the family of cliff branch cliff branch outstanding wide receiver at oakland raiders and this is the steelers steelers show but you gotta give props to guys who great props to your opponents that bring out the best in your football team you know watching those battles between male blunt and cliff lift branch you know in the basement of my aunt's house in just watching those battles i mean that made me a fan of this great game in the national football league watching those battles adults between the pittsburgh steelers in the hated oakland raiders. I mean that's what it was all about. That's why i'm a fan to this day in cliff branch in stabler branch germain. I hated that do oh. I hated that do well. In the reason i hated that do because they were that damn good and so i want to send my condolences out to the cliff branch a great fantastic football player and to into the dreaded <hes> raider nation for the loss of a really good football player yeah condolences to their family and raiders fans everywhere. It's never easy no way about it so like i said earlier and jeremiah djerma asking me your favorite team is now jeremiah must be this show anyways behind the curtain dot com for all your pittsburgh steelers news during in the week. We're getting ten twelve articles day. That's podcast. That's <hes> you know everything. Film breakdowns got a good one on sean davis coming up this week and they she check that out out also <hes> make sure you're listening to all of our podcasts for once now i can finally say that. All of our podcast are on youtube so if you wanna go to youtube you if you're a visual israel or search. B._t._s.'s steelers radio subscribe hit this describe button. Give it a thumbs up. We really appreciate all the support but if you're someone that likes to listen to these on commutes things of that nature or valuation housework you can find any place you find your podcasts at google play. I tunes stitcher. Wherever surge steelers dealers are behind the steel curtain subscribe so you don't miss any content. The lineup for this week is tomorrow night. Monday will be your steelers hangover. Tuesday will be the <hes> dave scofield stack eek wednesday will be. He doesn't write it all down. Wednesday will be my burning question thursday. It will be the steelers preview friday. We will actually have our post game show because the steelers play on friday so lanza who raised wash preseason football. I i'm glad lead. You told me that i didn't realize it was friday. You're out to watch that gay. It's on it's on n._f._l. Network our long national excellent so and then <hes> saturday lance will be on he can talk about the game on yeah. I said it will be back here next sunday for another episode of the standards the standards. Why don't you kick off tonight today. First of all i wanna apologize for anyone who was cutting their grass listening to this show because you might hear something that will mess up your meticulous this cutting design that you're putting on your yard. I know you guys are fancy with your john deere's and all that stuff had these two sides. I wanna apologize that but <unk> as always tune in tell a friend and subscribed absolu- v._a. We'll see you next week for another episode of the standard is a standard.

pittsburgh steelers football browns devin bush juju mike tomlin heinz field pittsburgh ben rothlisberger joe hayden vince williams jeff joe haden youtube lance juju smith schuster judy josh dobbs mason rudolph baker mayfield