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Big Suey: Colin's Tiers Exit Ramp

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

41:09 min | 5 months ago

Big Suey: Colin's Tiers Exit Ramp

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Nowhere or mateen fat face and it's been stress leading and the habitual liars scott's can't be trusted the big joe own apartment radio life for me is getting his vaccine today so he's got a he's got a jump on that appointment when it happens and that appointment happens just around the time we get. Greg cody's cards appraised right right. So god's yeah. I think i should It's two minutes from my house. So i should be able to to go do it. I have to sit in a chair for ten minutes afterwards because of side effects but i should be back by by ten o'clock very exciting. Oh wow so. You're getting the vaccine. You're leaving the show for a while and then coming back and you're going to learn perhaps because in one hour we are going to bring to you. Did you call this guy. The hammer is his name is nicknamed the hammer the collectibles the collectibles guy. Who's gonna come on with us in an hour to tell us whether those cards in greg cody. Garage are worth anything. His as the he's a hammer. So tyler holes hammered dan. I don't know freeze the hammer or hammer. I think it's just amer- you have two choices to make their dan. Your last name is holes hammer. It's either holes or holy or hammer and he went with the hammer. I mean that that's the wise choice you know. Did you really just say you only have two choices and then give three. I did that. I did okay. That's a thing that just happened. You're always keep a track when you have the hammer you gotta use it then. So that guy's going to be on with us. Stugotz is gonna be away here and come in and out of the show. There are certain degrees of difficulty in doing the show. The way we've been doing it. We're trying to establish the chemistry. This is actually been good for us doing it this way learning how to do it this way. It hasn't been great for the audience at every. Turn but you may or may not have heard depending on when mike started rolling back there that we've been having trouble for years okay with my audio and we've finally got around to fixing it which might bother you guys because over years i sound like i'm whispering sometimes just because of how the microphone picks me up and because i tend to tone change now mike is saying that. Because they're fixing the microphones around here and fixing yours. We're about to sound different to the audience. He's not telling me whether it's better to the audience. He's just telling me it's different than what. I've found with our audiences anytime they get a whiff of different. That ain't good. That ain't good. They don't like different they just don't want to change at all. And then they accuse us of getting older being terrible and getting lazy and doing things the same way and then when we change and tried to improve. They get mad at us. I'll be curious if the audience actually. Here's you differently because we've been doing stuff at at least recently in post production to try to counterbalance whether how far away is you leaned from the microphone or just your natural tone but for me sitting in these seats wearing these cans. It's pretty jarring new. May how different you sound okay. So that's one of the things that's in play. Get ready for some changes around here. Because we're handling everything ourselves now. But chris tell me about. If you're if you're not someone who was listening to tuesday's show it was one of those rare times. It doesn't happen very often around here to anybody but it happens around here. Good amount where you get one of those moments where you're waiting for the pay. All i just heard your saliva in like four k ultra each gel all my face. I feel like we are going to check in with the hammer because on tuesday we went through. Greg cody garage. It really was magical. It had to be. I know how much i enjoyed it. I could see all the faces in the zoom. How much they were enjoying it. I can't remember it. Feeling quite like that. Since munich did the zip line in mall of the americas at the super bowl where she was giving us analysis and we were nine minutes past the espn time break because we just kept waiting for the joke to deliver the punchline. She had all sorts of trouble getting on the zip line. And so greg cody goes to garage and we are stunned. When what emerges is a hank aaron card like i'm hammer and hang we're gonna as the hammer about the hammer. So we have an expert. Chris and lay this out because i saw your father and his granddaughter in really dirty garage. It's disgusting really dirty. That door has looked that since one thousand nine hundred eighty s. It's so bad it's just so awful. The floor is sticky. I i wouldn't let your daughter in there if i were you. All sorts of your daughter may have been conceived there for all we know baby. Take us through what we're doing with the hammer how we've prepared for this. W-what the delightful surprise. We might be in store for could be. That's why the floor is sticky so basically we went through boxes and boxes. My dad's stood outside all of tuesday into the evening going through all of them. Just getting all the hall of famers in all stars kind of in one group so we could and then so now i can show you in a little bit. We have on this ping pong table. Cards flooded everywhere. And now we've gone. I did a deep dive on the research. So i've kind of isolated. What i think the twenty most valuable cards. I'm not great at this and we have so many options here. There are hundreds of all stars in hall of famers. But i've picked twenty of them. That i think probably like have the most value. Just based off my. What kind of condition are those twenty cards in there in good condition. I've spoken to this guy. Tyler briefly. I didn't want to give him too much head of time but i showed him a picture of one card and he says if they're all like that like they don't have to be when they're from the sixties good condition is good enough like the internet not expecting card from the sixties to be in mint condition. So i actually think these cards are in other than the ones he wrote on. We'll get into that later. But yeah there's there's some here that looked like might have some value that he has ruined. Would you do me a favor and just so you've pulled a couple of those out things that you think have value. But he's struggled on them. Kevin mickey mantle card here already mickey mantle or get. What any rate all right Billy where do you think. What's the payoff here. What is in terms of funny and entertaining in a little while. We're going to go to this guy and what we want. Is it all have enormous value. That will have a payoff or all of it is worth three dollars total and we made a big deal about nothing. We just don't want to be in the middle there's mickey mantle card. He wrote the number twenty three. What's number what he just did some math on it. It says twenty three and twenty three circle in the middle of his jersey. It says plus three and then plus forty six head of his time in cracking what number was mantle. I mean well. He was famously. Wasn't he. famously number. Seventy yeah single digits and marine one. What are you hoping for as well. These two different questions chris. I know what you're hoping for for the estate but in terms of funding for the audience and a producer of this radio show. What are you rooting for in terms of. Certainly what what needs to happen. Is that mickey mantle. Card is worth a million dollars. But if you don't write on it If the do right on it it's worth for sense. Like best case. Scenario is the most expensive car. It is the best for the show. Best for me best for the show. He also has a few cards that he thinks have has value. And i'm pretty sure they don't. He has his obscure reasons why he thinks they have value. So that should be entertaining. That should be good to billy. What's the part of this that you're most looking forward to. It has to be what chris was saying that he has great cards that just have no values. He hasn't taken care of even after okay. So i sent the pictures that they were sending the text like a look at all these cards greg casper said the pictures to people that like cards and that are in this business one of which told me. He bought three hundred thousand cards this weekend that he was going through so i was like okay. This is a person that knows. What's going on that person's like sight unseen. I'll give greg ten thousand dollars for all those cars break now. And then was like tell him he needs to immediately stop touching them and stacking them on top of each other because he's ruining them by doing that. I'd sell i suspect. A lot of these are gonna be devalued because of the way they've been handled this. I do wanna go back because an underrated moment. If you wanna see the video from what happened around here on tuesday you could go to world of sui dot com where you can see the whole twenty five minute video but i just want to point out to everyone here in the audience. How much. I love that stugatz. First order of business before. Greg cody got up out of the was to offer the shitty five hundred dollar like. How could you saw the snake. It was like a cobra coming out of a basket in some market in a land where you don't trust anybody he comes out. It's like oh give you five hundred dollars for everything you have there. Can you guys just saw the skis me. Its appearance in snake. Charmed cobra four. You also saw the. I love them. But the stupidity of greg cody. Who would have done that deal. Had you not been on the air with that's correct. He wanted yes he says. Wow is not a binding agreement. I mean but that's the kind of any we're talking about. What i'm rooting for is the greg. Cody says that. He wrote on that mickey mantle card last week as an adult adult handwriting. That it's done a child riding but my you help me understand what's happening in the non fungible token market because we've got kings of leon is is the first band that is coming out or has come out with a new album and we also have this thing that we haven't been understanding recently released. I haven't been which is. Did you guys see this. The nba top shot the video. That isn't video you own but that you can buy. Did you guys see how much paul pierce shitting himself and having to be in the wheelchair ended up going for. Did you guys see the price tag on video that you can't own but you could say you can own seven hundred fifty thousand dollars get at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It was reported. And frankly if i had disposable cash i would use it there if i had i. Of course. I don't. But i certainly don't have that kind of disposable cash but how great would it be to pretend that you own the video of paul pierce ending up in a wheelchair and is that a celtics fan or is that someone who wants to make fun of the celtics who bought that. I also think it's you getting fooled by the internet. Oh oh. I don't understand this market. Like how could i possibly understand. What the hell. Billy doesn't understand it. Billy's telling me like and i side with standard it's stupid it's a fad. That will go away in two months. There will be a ton of people with little tiny clips. That are worthless. Gary viner chuck. Who oddly enough has been a guest on our show and left co joined us and we asked awkward. That was awkward. That was that was weird. But i actually saw him on. Cnbc yesterday talking about nf. Tease explained it better than most people have. Which is well. Because billy make point. Anybody can get this video. What does it mean. Who cares if it's individually numbers. What is it what is it. How do you actually get a value from this thing in gary v was talking about how we do social currency all the time. Now what is a blue checkmark worth on twitter. That's also not tangible but it opens so many doors that very clearly has a monetary value. We do social currency all the time. Even when we don't know we're doing it so entities are just the next logical step in that. I think mike is right. Like damn we're laughing at it now. You and billy were laughing at it now because we don't understand it but i guarantee if people were laughing at you know they're gonna put a baseball players picture on a piece of cardboard and it's going to have serious value somewhere down the road. I mean i would laugh at this fact. I'm getting the game. What are beanie babies worth today. A lot yeah. Not no billy breakpoint billy. I think they're worth a lot. Ripe beanie babies. Dan for a million dollars. Five hundred dollars right now. Give you for all your beanie babies. The point bill is trying to make a lot of people. Were hoarding beanie. Babies and their prices never been as high as it was in the nineties because the thinking was while these are going to be really valuable one day and now they have zero value. What people are really struggling with what i'm struggling with. What billy's articulating is. These aren't tangible. How how how have any value. If it's just something that. I go to a website right now not even application just a website to be able to watch. I think they're easy. Applications for display tanks for these nafta's that are specifically video based or even high end artwork a hi rez image of art. That's an original piece of art and you give it a individual serial number that's backed by blockchain technology. And if you actually have a display for this whether it's a high quality monitor. I think then people can start wrapping their head around it a little bit more because we just simply don't understand the intangible aspect of it. Forgive me billy. But i thought that there were certain beanie babies that are worth an enormous amount of money. Am i wrong about this. You're telling me beanie. Babies don't have any value than if i went. I don't know what i'd have to offer you for all of your beanie babies. How many are there. But i'd be willing. No i'd be willing to take a risk at less than a million dollars. Although i just got suckered in nine hundred thousand well let me explain to you. What happened to the beanie baby market. Mcdonald's released them as a giveaway. So they gave way over one hundred thousand beanie babies diminishing the value of the beanie baby. But dan is right. There are special edition. Beanie babies that are going for north of a half million dollars on the internet. Now joke nell vo. Yes people list them at that price you need to find someone to spend five hundred thousand dollars on a beanie baby. That's the problem you could list it at whatever price you want. Someone has to buy it. No one's going to buy a beanie baby for five hundred thousand dollars you. They're they're an idiot. You might right about that but you telling me on the front end in your negotiations. These aren't worth anything. Just tried to charge me a million dollars for them. So it's not like your well sucker here. That believes what you're selling because you won't sell it to us for a thousand dollars. Well they're more valuable to you than me so see how viable error million dollars all right. I will counter with seven hundred and fifty dollars. Where's the middle. i'll go seven fifty one. It's too bad you're gonna be. You're gonna hurt so badly when you get this vaccine shot and you can't find out. How much greg cody has cost himself because he wrote on a mickey mantle card. How how how hard is this going to be in terms of stugatz itching himself at the vaccine place when he finds out that he can't listen. Live to how much money. Greg cody is or isn't making. I actually think this vaccine situation. They suit guts finds himself in is actually a great example of what we're talking about because being able to just say i've had the vaccine forget actually getting but being able to say and people believe that i've had the vaccine has a value to me. I want my life back any. I even understand that you still have to wear a mask after you get the vaccine because you can still transmit this disease. We're still learning about it. But that's a social currency being vaccinated is a social currency. And for what's to. God's does i know he. He loves going to lacrosse tournaments being able to have peace of mind that he's vaccinated has an immense value to him. Which one are you getting. Stu gods because the johnson and johnson one is in the seventy percents and the other ones are in the upper ninety percent and i obviously would anybody would want the one that has a ninety five percents success rate. Do you know which one you're getting. I believe i'm getting the maternal one ad. So i'm excited together. Mike's right i. I don't know how i'm gonna walk around with the big v on my chest so everyone knows that unvaccinated. But i'm getting them a journal one. I've whole i've been told there are there are bad side effects for some people not everyone so i will see why have to sit a chair for ten minutes after the. Give me the shot. I was told that it's the second shot three weeks later. That is the one that comes with the nausea and some of the sickness. Not the first one. I would've figured cigarettes would prioritize j j just because it's one shot and that's just how god's does this might just do this one time and not finishing walk around selling shirts like he might because if it were truly stu gods. He's not going to actually do this to completion. It's just going to be. How do i get the mo- social currency being the laziest person possible. There's roughly a fifty fifty chance. I show up at the second shot fifty fifty chance to show up for the first one. You might just be trying to get out of some work already. got out of the dry. Yeah i actually don't think he's getting vaccinated. This is a trust me. Don't trust me. Situation was through guys. I have gone. I'll show you my doctor's note. And the appointment. I am getting vaccinated. You guys really think. I wanna take a chance. You know me at missing greg. Cody and him fighting out that. He had millions of dollars of gordon and our fifty cents. I think this is like a time capsule. We should save this video in assign an nf t number two it. Because greg cody getting his cards. Appraise wild stugatz gets a vaccine on one. Zoom screen has got to be worth something. We've got to figure out a way to sell the video and tell people have reached out to me. That know how to make. Non fungible tokens. And they're like we can put highlights of your show out there and put it up forbidding. If i'm tech companies are reaching out. We're we're on the next frontier here. We own all of this stuff at the moment and all this stuff at the moment is making us not very much money so i think we need to a new refrigerator so we need to sell this. I the water outside. The fridge is colder. the water does. The fridge is heating our water. I noticed the same drinking boiling water with billy. Why didn't he sell your beanie babies when they were at the height of you know. I'm not a big seller. I like things your order. How many would you say you have. Until i don't know i'd have to find them But i mean it's i don't have like super rare ones. I don't think i'd go to like hallmark and get them related. Go to mcdonald's and get the teeny beanie babies that they would have you have the blue peace beanie baby is our went for two thousand and one that i think i had was like. I think i have like the millennium one. I think that one so they have one here. That's one dollar one. That's thirty five hundred league. How would anyone. That's on here. Decide which one they want to buy. It says meant. Billy it says mint trade. They're like do you. Just trust that shit. No of course not meant all right. Twenty eight hundred bucks now. I am going to tell you this. We have to be careful with the hammer here in your dad because these guys man. I'm telling you they're like they're hawks. Okay they're predators right. And if there's any slight crease in east cards they'll take the value danley. He'll start bullshit it. I'm telling you right now. And let's say the cords where the thousand and he spots a little craze. Suddenly he's offering five hundred dollars for that court nominees. Reselling it right for two thousand right exactly right. Yeah we're gonna get ripped off your man bill. You should absolutely hold on your beanie babies now. Sports cards are having their time in the sun. For twenty years we kept being told that trading cards are going to be worse something and then they weren't and then they came back so you should hold on your beanie babies the same way i should hold onto my mcfarland's hold onto him. Bill i mean why not. what what. What else am i going to do with them. Right rainy day to buy and hold. Strategy bill i logged arab strategy of. They're like bonds exactly. That's why i'm sitting on huge pile of politics. God oh i like what's the next big thing records or vital worth anything. I have a bunch of vital in my garage. There are some valuable vinyls. Everything comes back and you have to seize when when the market's at its apex. But sometimes the market to add its apex at the very beginning like it was with pok mon trading cards like it was with beanie babies. There are several examples of people capitalizing. When things are hot. And i kind of fear. Top shot is going to be that way. I think this might be top shots moment in the sun. You can make an argument that old. It'll reach a higher ceiling if china gets involved in the game and you want to capitalize on that initial rush. But i don't really. I have a hard time wrapping my head around this being something that i can. If i have a dwight howard dunk from this year right now because it series two. Am i really going to be able to flip this for twenty five thousand dollars. I have a hard time wrapping my head around that if marlin giveaways are ever currency. You'll never see me again. All of them you do use stugatz has all the stuff from marlins giveaways. Why would i keep in mind. I worked for the marlins. I guess i should say. I have all the giveaways from like ninety seven ninety eight. Because i worked for the marlins during that time and when you went through your garage because you went to sleep at night really jealous of greg. Cody and greg cody garage. And you decided to go rummaging through your garage. What did you find outside of a nineteen eighty-five dwight gooden baseball. What else did you find that you started scurrying to see if there was anything in your garage that had worth Have a bunch of baseball cards. Have some vinyl. I have some records. I was just asking. Mike if those have any worth. I have some cassette tapes. I have eight track tapes. I have i have star wars action figures in there. I've got he man action figures in there. I found some baseball cards. Some sign number. I got a bunch of stuff. Billy do star. Wars action figures those things from stugotz. His childhood in the seventies. Is that something that we could figure out that. It has value of all the things that he said. That's what jumped out to me in terms of this what this is what the show should become the next evolution of the show should be. Hey give us millions and millions of dollars. We're just gonna go through our garages. Is that okay. Is that okay just estate sale. Basically this we were actually talking about selling all the tiles in here. If we change the studio. I think people would want to buy the tiles in here if we decide to revolutionized what's going on. Why is everything for sale now. Should we worried because we've been selling out in some way or another since we sold out that new york theater i have i mean forever Speaking of I'm not selling out. But i just have to go. I have a I have an appointment with the doctor to get the vaccine. The big vague about that would they marina. There's no other way to say this dan. We shouldn't actually tiles what i'm telling you is. We should take a picture of the tiles and then number them one through five thousand and boom. We're sitting on an communists should we sign them or signing them. Values them the way. That greg cody devalued his mickey mantle rookie card. One sign when you can take a picture of it and sell it five thousand additional times. I wanted to ask. Chris and billy as people who have been talking about the dolphins and the shawn watson as shawn watson says loyalty is everything and becomes the first quarterback available for a bounty of things young quarterback that we've seen a long time. I want to say loyalty. Is everything when you're requesting to leave the only team you've ever played for That's fine taking up with shawn watson. i'm just setting the stage here for the dolphins story that involves kyle van noy as shawn watson exerts his power while under contract and says i don't like the contract anymore and people rip him saying you've got a contract. You've ruined the team. You're supposed to be loyal. What did you guys make of. Kyle van noy. Who i thought was pretty good last year. And i don't know how to do these measurements right because at that position. How the hell do you do the measurements on whether or not someone is good or not good. But he signed for four years. Fifty one million dollars and was hurt was disappointed that after one year and i think it was thirty million dollars guaranteed which is pretty good but he got to where he was. He didn't wanna feel disposable with maybe he found a home in the huddle and he got hurt by the fact that his contract ultimately was worth something but was not the contract. He thought he was signing. And so the thing that i wanted to ask you guys beyond the obvious. One of we don't treat the players the same as we do management or the owners when it comes to contracts. How human is it. That kyle van noy is hurt about being discarded when all of us imagined this. Okay just imagine this. We're free agents right now. Imagine all of you in a year shrugged my shoulders. And say yeah. Thanks but like you thought you were signing for four years You mean it's one year you guys gotta get on out of here and you got to move. You gotta move to another city with your family. It's a lot easier to do. Obviously when you have thirty million guaranteed but still. This person is telling you. He is hurt and disappointed and surprised by what it is. That happened what the miami dolphins just did to him as incidentally and this is something that i don't believe people are paying attention to right now. America's most popular sport just took a financial hit. And you know he's taking it. We're cutting the cap by fifteen to nineteen million diana his saying it's going to be a massacre out there. This is going to happen to a lot of people. Like calvin because no matter how rich jerry jones is getting with gouge natural gas prices. His salary cap stays the same. And if he ain't making money in his business you ca- damn betty and giving it to dak prescott like if you can. You can rest assured that those guys are going to figure out how to make the bodies even more disposable than they've already been. And so what i'm asking you is. How do you feel about that as someone who developed an attachment customer through a motion to the player and thinks of him as a human being. I don't know how much you guys value. Carl van noy and his hurt feelings. But i'm asking you. I mean he was really good last year. Like i see pro. Football focus says. He was third among non-defense alignment in pressures last season. I mean this is an interesting one because the team the all the shift has been towards player empowerment. and now. we're kind of you know the team is showing you. Hey you know it's player power but not at this position. Kyle van noy well. This is what i would say to you if you've been listening to the boring conversations that we've been having over the last couple of weeks. About what damore. Smith just did to his players to secure his own job with ten year deals. He eliminated the middle class. He gave the owners the power to do this. And no one's gonna give shit no one because boohoo. Kyle van noy feelings. Are you signed a contract. You thought was worth something. You got your thirty million dollars. Get outta here. That's exactly what's going to happen now. And does anyone care. Honestly listening to my voice right. Now they're all millionaires right. Does anyone care because my answer would be no. We're going to side with management at every turn. I just find so strange that these big money deals are announced right when he was announced it was part of a huge spending blitz from the dolphins four years. Fifty one million. Calvin noy the guy that's going to bring the patriot system to miami and then after a year look at the details and go wait a second. This isn't a four. This is a one year deal with an option to release. It's the most bizarre thing how these like. These transactions are supposed to be the big deal that you know we play the ka chunk. Sound sue. god's comes on big news dano and it's not actually big news. These guys are basically on year to year contracts. How does that happen. I'll tell you how it happens. It favors the owners to make. It seem like they're giving away all their money when they're not the agents go out there and really eager to tell you what their players are making. It's all public. This isn't normal. This is not a normal thing. People don't know what you make listening to us but all of its public because the inside the entire system is gamed so that everyone makes money but the players are viewed as making too much of it while it's actually the owners who are making too much of it and we never know never know what they make. None of us ever know whether they're winning whether they're losing money like we have no idea how they're doing the book weather they're paying taxes in this country shit about what the owners are doing. We know everything about what the labor is doing and they fool you with that masquerade of numbers thrown out there. That don't actually mean anything because the contracts don't mean anything either and the other thing because you mentioned. Do we have a connection to these guys. Do you have a connection. To calvin roy. We don't really understand what he does. Like chris cody correctly. And this is what i would say to is his pro. Football focus. numbers. I calvin good. I watched the dolphins. They're really good at pass rush. But i know that patrick mahomes is really good and i want him on my team but i don't really have an understanding of his value but he was really good last season so he'll probably signed somewhere else so like he's going to get some money next season so he'd signed the contract with that option for them to cut him. It's choice because his union agreed to it. But i just told you that. His union representative was working with anti union lawyers to make sure that everybody on the rich side of this. Got their stability and richness. Guys i find this part of it. Hugely passing the way you guys just described at people as people who are immersed in this world the reason that every rich person in the world is trying to get into this exclusive club is because the vanoise are totally disposable because their numbers are fixed and because the contracts they signed me nothing and so because they've collectively bargain this stuff with a union head who became allies with goodell and has his players furious. It's a fixed business. The only thing that can wreck it is pandemic and even then they're saying. Oh my god. The salary cap is about to get massacred because what we're sharing is revenue and risk and we're sharing it the way the owners want to. I'm telling in these owners meanings. They should be smoking hundred dollar bills because of the way that this this is a fixed cost business. It's america's most popular sport. Anybody who deals with the. Nfl will tell you. They're impossible to deal with because they get money from everywhere they don't answer anybody they make all the rules everywhere in every business go into because in the age of streaming and content there it as everything changes and you don't want commercials anymore your in front of your television anytime. Anyone plays football and van. Noy doesn't matter. He's just another uniform running around out there that they'll replace next year and you'll fall in love with the next guy because people aren't examining the finances of this and when i say they aren't examining the finances of this. I'm not just talking about the customers. I'm talking about the god damned sports media reports this very poorly because we're not business reporters and so the people watching the owners are not qualified to watch the owners and the owners hide in the shadows. We don't get any access to. They don't have to disclose their not publicly. Traded company says they don't have to disclose it doesn't you can have the best business reporters in the world. I'm sure great business. Reporters have been trying to bus open books. and they can't because these are private. Corporations are incredibly protective. We know what it would take for the players to actually get a fair shake in this entire deal and they can actually do it because much of their players. Union base has a one and a half year window for their careers. They simply can't. They are cut off at the pass. The owners have got this to the point that it's almost futile to even discuss what the players can do. Because why would they make the sacrifice for people other than them. It's counter intuitive. And i also think that like to to kind of present the side of the union. The union is obviously protecting the interests of its members but also really players unions exist to preserve minimums right. You say that the costs are fixed. But also it's so that if it were up to a free market right and every. Nfl owner compete. There's a chance that they all collude together to lower the amount of salad. They paid out even more. They would fix their costs. Even more and basically players are seeking minimums and guarantees and that serves their membership so in some ways players. Union is doing its job. It's just it leaves much room for owners to make so much money money and exert their power way. More than we'd probably like here is what i would say. The players union isn't actually doing. Its job well. And it's not just. Because i talked to someone who really knows the nations of this. And when i asked this person like really knows has been in the meetings has been in the upper echelon of where this power gets trafficked. That person when i asked about the job damore smith is done because the players had a lot of leverage power and needed leadership late nineties to thousands early when the sport was blossoming. I said to. More smith and the response i got back was clown clown is what i got back which was startling. Because this particular person. I've never heard them dismiss anyone that way and when you combine that with what. You're saying chris about preserving minimums nba nba. Owners have laughed in the meeting rooms. When chris paul walks in and what ends up happening is the twelfth guy on the bench. Who's trying to preserve a minimum. Has the same sort of power as chris. Paul you just saw this with the nfl. Rogers was shouting. Do not sign this deal. This is a shit deal. But the minimum guys who need their minimums and represent because the middle class has been knocked out they rep- they end up representing too much of the power fighting for the minimums and the owners are laughing. Because we'll just fix your maximums and then not make the contracts meaning but how are we supposed to reconcile the fact that okay on one end being called the clown and on the other end. He's still running shit. They have the power to change it. The reason i say this is because that. Don van natta seth wicker sham article revealed to me. I had not seen it before. And i was told that. You just skimming the very tip of the iceberg. Oh shit the players got played by their own representative and anti union lawyers because their own representative was too tight in while making public blustery comments that made it looked like you was fighting roger goodell. He was actually bed with him in a way that while. Not a conflict of interest. The the suggestion in that article was very much conflict of interest. the villains here easy to pick out. It's it's the owners but the one thing the one variable that the players seem to be able to control is getting demorris smith out of there and he's still there he was unanimously elected and he gathered the union through a lockout and signed a deal in large part. Because that's what the majority of the players wanted. So if we're all here pointing fingers at the morris missing. He's doing a bad job. It's up to the players. Get him out of there. That's the first thing they can change. People hate union talk right like all of this and we'll move on now. Because i know you guys are here for greg cody garage and we're going to get into this in the next segment. But i actually find the business of this while they give me a bit of a headache. I find them hugely interesting. I'm not sure the audience does or cares the audience and the part. That's confusing about that to me. My is the fact that i know you guys actually care about the money. I hear it talked about all the time. The money athletes are making. But when i point out to you how and where. It's not enough. You hate hearing that you don't even want to discuss it. You don't want to discuss the details of that. Lebron james is underpaid. What the hell are you talking about. Lebatardshow what are you talking about. He's underpaid yeah. He's a cities economy everywhere he goes. He moves hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes he is underpaid. What are you talking about. Let's we can't have fixed costs and capitalism that way that are that fixed for the valuable but this system has been working against them in ways to protect the business and make the business what it is today in a way that should be at least little galling to you but won't be because they bouncer a ball for a living and they make too much money bouncing a ball for a living even though they have limited career spans even though their bodies hurt even though the expertise that they have in their field is super cutthroat and they are more valuable than they think than you think they are because they get to the top of sports over a more cutthroat environment than wherever it is that you are working for your money and consider me a road sign on the side of an expressway. I have an exit coming up if you'd like to take it call and cowherds. Qb value tears. Now you could keep driving passes sex if you'd like and keep talking about the more smith good or you could take the exit if you'd like up to you. Okay i'm gonna take a u-turn. I'm going to drive across the i'm going to go dress. I know i'm breaking through all of the cones. I'm turning around. I am now driving against traffic. Liken ronan one of the greatest car chase scenes of all time and i'm going back on that exit ramp Do you have the fanfare music before we get to greg cody and his garage. And what it's worth. What are colin cowherd. How do you want to do these. Rankings where you starting are you go. Can we start at number five while there's three tiers dan there's three tiers there's four people in the top two tiers so all right so where do you wanna start. I'll tell you tier three first. Everybody else that's tier three okay. Let's do the fanfare. Ra tier two. She garoppolo wow also interior tier to lamar jackson. The third member of tier two to shawn watson. Not just for those of you just joining us. This is colin coward 2021 qb valued years. We've recap tier three. Everybody else tier to jimmy grabs lamar jackson down watson the final member to your patrick mahomes. What is it because of values because he's too expensive don't because he wants to go viral. I'm sorry to disagree. Go ahead So wait a minute. What else do we have. Here is collins so good at this shit. Oh it's infuriating. Well i mean. I think we can piece it together. Who's in tier one. Because remind bird tier three was everybody else and tier to mahomes watson. Lamar jackson jimmy garoppolo. So everybody knows until this guy's shot alan tier one tier one josh allen. Josh everybody else also in tier one. Aaron rodgers the third member of tier. One tom brady and the final member of tier one. The first member of tier one russell wilson's does collins tears. Thank you for the detour. An intern greg. Cody's garage is next. I was bored to tears.

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Phinsider Radio | Tight ends, running backs and receivers  Oh My!

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Phinsider Radio | Tight ends, running backs and receivers Oh My!

"The hello again. Everyone and welcome into another episode of finsider radio. The jason josh show. I'm your host josh outs. You can follow me on twitter at house. And i'm joined by the greatest co host any entire university one. The only jake mental. You can find him on twitter at at j. m. e. n. d. e. l. ninety four. How're you doing today. Man joshua it's friday. Oh my god. I'm excited. I don't work a normal monday to week. But i get that this week. And i'm super jacked up about it. There's a lot for us to talk about it and we have our run down here. We're ready to go. But i think we need to first conscience. Something from our last podcast. Kyle van noy didn't necessarily get cut. Yeah and i think it's safe to say the twitter really puts a monkey wrench into a lot of things. Nfl teams are trying to do. Because kyle van noy released his comments and now there are reports coming out that he hasn't necessarily been cut. Yeah as the miami dolphins trying to trade him and try to baby. Save your dollars on that cat. Yeah and i mean to me. it's just. I don't know what it is. I mean did calvin Reach out and report. That he was getting released. And you know maybe. He threw a monkey wrench in this. No one truly knows but to me. I don't know how much leverage the dolphins truly have now after you know. It being reported that he was going to be cut even put out a statement like you said and now they're trying to trade him. I mean does colvin web trade value. I think absolutely but when you look at the contract the next team would be taken on. I mean what could the dolphins get here commonsense. You know fifth round pick. Maybe that could be a fourth depending on how many snaps i mean we see in the nfl every year. I mean some guys get treated. Were very good players for pennies to the dollar so I don't think the dolphins will ultimately be able to move calvin. But it's just another turn in this. You know wild off season. That were unrolling getting started with justin. I'm gonna give you a take outside the box you know. The dolphins have been doing a lot of forward thinking. What this rebuild day. They are taking a different angle at it. And i don't think the dolphins are going to get any draft picks for calvin however i think they might traded draft. Pick to get rid of calvin to get that salary completely off the books. I don't know what it would take. I'm not saying like a second or third round pick but but the ryan tannehill trade a few years ago. The dolphins got a forest but they had to eat some of the contract. What i see here is. Maybe there's a team out there that has that cap space. I don't talk. Because i believe it's twenty million dollars over the usual but i think the only way trade happens here and i think it's incredibly interesting and i'd like to get your take on this. Maybe the dolphins need to send a fifth round pick And kyle van noy seventh in return and you know we can make the big big argument of you know. Jay was a fifth round. Pick so was reshad jones. Zach thomas i mean obviously every fifth round pick is in this outstanding talent but but obviously could find value there in josh. If the dolphins can save that what four million dead cap this year and that another two dead in dead cab next year that another one million dead cap. Would you think about maybe move. Aired sweden calvin contract with a fifth round. Pick if that means you get those few extra dollars on the salary cap especially in a few years of where. The cap is a little lower in the future. Hopefully as trending up. But we don't know that for sure. I think it's definitely a possibility. But again i i don't know how much team's gonna want to take on that cap. I mean because then the dolphins have taken some of that salary and we saw it. What was it two years ago. When the dolphins released ryan tannehill. I mean he the c. Championship game and the dolphins were essentially paying him to do so so Lots of things to come here. And jake interesting note. And i didn't really wanna talk about the shawn watson too much about this podcast but you mentioned him. Being traded and for some reason you know piqued my interest. Because tell me where nick cassara. I still don't know his name. He's the patriots. So i mean let's let's start that i mean we keep hearing they need to. How howard why. Not throw calvin oil leader on the defense. Tula two first round picks. I mean i'm going to get paid for this. But it was just the first thing that came to mind when you said calvin because he definitely has that a that history with nick caserio up their new england and the cool cool thing about that is. I mean this is more relevant in basketball but but they look magic contracts. This year watson cap. Hit about to be i think. Twelve million for this year before it really start to go up and and that's been noise scheduled to make josh. I think that is a very interesting perspective. And i think it is certainly worth noting and you just because we're talking about these things like a watson trade or or whatever. The dolphins decided to do isn't a huge alarm to give really defensive about what your opinion is. I think it's healthy at important to talk about these things. I love. that thought you know. Because that's what the dolphins have doing thinking of ways to really maneuver the roster outside of the box and that would be a great scenario where you know you sweet deal with a kyle van noy to where the contracts matchup really. Well you get that leader. I mean the houston. Texans are going to have incredibly team. They're going to need to wash out a lot of a bad taste in their mouth and bring in a leader like van noy. Who's going to be probably pretty happy. Because he's going to be making a decent amount of money. I think that is an interesting interesting idea. Josh late late like you said that we're not gonna spend too much time about it because people are going to shout at the wall at us known as twitter that you know how dare we. How dare we disrespect to which we've never done anything. We've never said anything. Negative about him but here we are. I've just. I think we have a little bit more of alabama news. That kinda came out this week. Don't we always talking about two and you know it's just i mean. I went to the store yesterday. And i said i bought a shower for thirty cents and i got ratio because dante from dolphins talk said you know what did the charlotte say. Mark jones more than two. And it's just this ongoing saga. I mean every day. They're asking one of his receivers. You know as a mac jones the two and no one knows why they're saying the things they are but it's just so much drama that's unnecessary but let's get into the big news and it was a few days ago. I mean again this rundown that we had a couple of days ago before the columbine noise brunson. Nice calvin okay. We'll just call it. Caveat news so what we what we heard was nausea harris and he said alabama. They ran a very similar offense to what he learned there at the senior bowl with the miami dolphins coaching staff. You said a lot of the terminology was the same. And i think you know we heard about it before and i think it was. Jim nez the guy that runs the senior. Even said you know the dolphins don't need to name an offense coordinator because you know they have a very simplistic offense here. Senior bowl you know. They're not going out there and really tipping their hand but to hear these things that there's so many similarities within the miami dolphins offense and offense run by too low. I mean if you weren't already trying to mock in you know we know how useless mock if you weren't already putting nausea harrison devante smith and jalen waddell at least inconsideration for miami. I mean i think when the dolphins drafted to a the the grand scheme of things the way they wanted. This offense to look was very similar to what they're running alabama so Part of me wants to say you know. This is a huge underlying. You know sentiment that these are are gonna go out there and draft one of these alabama guys. I don't know that that's true because again nagy said these offenses were down a little bit but I think if the dolphins want to have that offense that we all hope and they truly hope that they run and get when they drafted to follow. I think that's the way this offense is gonna look like. Yeah and the the running big conversation in its has some layers to it and it started out as you know you. Draft nausea harrison. The fixed right. The running room fix ripened in their snap with fingers and then there came out. The reports about aaron jones in the miami dolphins having mutual interest which i still think is a little interesting and and i really think that people sometimes are getting a little too frustrated when it comes to cap space. And they're taking twelve million dollars. Maybe out of context in terms of what that means the overall salary cap and again is a story. We've already talked about josh. I'm really starting to warm to the idea of baby. The dolphins signing someone end maybe taking a top ninety draft pick. Because i mean you think about it. Last year they had to go out and sign. Deondraye washington silvana. Med saved them a of weeks. There i mean the depth at running back is very important. It's very necessary. And when what. I mean by the dolphins signing someone is you have someone you can draft with the very fresh legs whether it's nasdaq nausea harris. I'm going to have you tell me about devante williams and in just a minute here. I think adding someone like a aaron jones even just popped in my head the other day james white the ability to pick up the pass rush to the ability to read defenses before the snap running backs do that to everybody. Offense does this to not just the quarterback. I think there's a huge value. There and rookie rookies grow into that kind of stuff right. You're not going to be able to completely shut blitzing. Two hundred and fifty pound linebackers Week one right that and that just isn't how it works. You shouldn't expect to twenty year old to do that. So i like the idea of maybe doing two things here and then having like gaskin and maybe even a layered or whoever may be as your third and fourth is incredible room and the dolphins need to run the football. I need to add to it time and time again that the dolphins need a played acre. Someone who once you're inside the twenties can really take the distance so you don't get necessarily always have to force your way inside the ten fours inside the five. You're losing that field front of the program. Chris cochran sent me a tag video. That was just reggie bush in miami and i gotta tell you man if there were e highlights. Six of them was seventeen. To twenty two yard. Touchdown runs where he just took it extra. What ten yards into the into the end zone where you beat the secondary. And you don't have to worry about the field shrinking for you. I think that would be such an incredible bonus for the dolphins. If someone like. James aaron johnson come in and really provide that extra twenty yard cushion. Because we you know spent so long next year. I'm podcast talking about will the should've went for it on fourth daughter. Well why'd the ticket field goal here that fixes it that makes everyone's job easier and signing running backs goes far beyond what the performance is going to be in terms of maybe rushing yards in terms of touchdowns when you go inside the numbers when you look at little things like pressures picked up or just a twenty two yard kerry from the twenty. Two yard line is much different than a twenty two yard kerry from. Let's say you're thirty one. And what's so funny about the reggie. Bush thing is that we were talking about it when the map here at least i was. You know i said besides the number you know this guy had a lot of those same traits intangibles as a reggie bush and we thought he was gonna explode onto the scene and jake. I don't know if you saw the put. The dolphins tweeted out a happy birthday to matt. Brita and i don't even think manfried is under contract this coming year. So that's something interesting to see how that plays out because you know. They made a trade for a breeder. They made a trade sandra washington. One of those guys you would think might be able to stick around and be. We know some depth. They're throwing back position because again. I think this this coaching staff loves myles. Gaskin i gotta like what they saw on. Salva knock med. But you mentioned the guy james white. i mean. That's a player that you know we're hearing about the big names afraid so you don't even think about some of these little guys you know. I think Gus edwards from the baltimore ravens. I mean this is the name that you know in some again. I always go back. Fancy but he some monster weeks. I mean this is a guy that could go for. You know next to nothing on the open market. So it's gonna be so many options available. And i think that's why the dolphins at eighteen nausea harris seems like the perfect. The perfect fit. Because he he is that. I mean he's everything you want a running back. I mean the guys just built in a lab. It seems but when you look at the running backs throughout the draft and just you know the way this team or coaching staff again has addressed a position. I don't know if they're gonna spend that big draft pick and you mentioned devante williams. I wrote an article for the finsider on him. I mean this guy. I looked it up. Because he had the same size. As ricky williams. You know he has the same last name. And i just kept picturing in my head. You know as it's going to be the next rookie was he's not the same as refuelings. Ricky williams was you know a back before his time but giovanni williams. I mean this guy can do everything. He's a threat in the passing game. I saw him. You know take soul passed protecting and then he just is no can do everything in the run game he can jump over people spin out and then he just trucks through him so i think that he would be that perfect complementary back to what they already have in myles gaskin and again this could be gotta get at the top of the second round so there's tons of options. I mean that's one running back in the list. Can go on a hubbard. Michael carter. Another back from unc. I mean again. Let's own and You know it could be the same. The same can be said about the receiver position to i mean both these positions. We will address in free. I believe in lots of decisions here. But i think you and i both agree. They're bringing in a dynamic playmaker running back and they're bringing it at least one if not two dynamic playmakers are wide receiver. Just to kind of wrap up this conversation here. You know there are a lot of people who say just kinda draft someone in the fourth round and keep replacing it over and over. I mean lamar. Miller j zhai. Those are a couple of guys who stick out to me. But i think there's a level to this Winning football players you know you think about winning basketball. Plays the diving on the floor setting those hard screens. That's why i'm starting to warm up to the idea of maybe bringing a another veteran whether it's someone not little more expensive maybe it's someone like james who can get maybe a little bit or on the cheap side is just those extra winning. Plays that rookies Maybe even second year players really can't do yet that that might not be on the stat. She you know we see like everyone kinda brought up. I think zac stacy his rookie year seventh round pick. Yeah you can rush for all the yards. But i mean are these super bowl. Winning teams are these playoff contenders. I don't know that. Debate is really there and i certainly do understand. The concept of fifth round picks it value is. They're they're cheap. But i do think there's an extra level here that is is kind of being overlooked when you go about that line of thinking absolutely in another name. I mean i pull spoke track. Look at some of these Free agent veteran running backs. i mean. go down the list. I know dolphin fans love duke johnson. I mean chris carson's out there you know wayne goldman core clement. Dwayne washington kenya would be a lot of fun i undervalued guy beyond pell the further down the list. You go. i mean there's a bunch of names so it just goes to tell you. I mean we already here with the way. These teams are making moves that they're setting up to be. You know this is going to be a crazy free agency and again. I think dolphins have to dress both these positions moving forward jake. I think we should jump into a break. And then when we come back we will talk about some of the fridge. Wide receivers out there in particular. Marvin jones is comments about joining the dolphins support. For this podcast comes from saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of seven hundred ninety six dollars for customers who switch and save in fact. Customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy with progressive including discounts. Just for starting a quote online or owning multiple vehicles get your quote online and progressive dot com. See how much you could be. Saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save progressive and twenty nineteen discounts vary are not available in all states and situations marvin jones. Let's make it happen. He said i believe it was on instagram. When asked about during the miami dolphins in josh. We said that about running backs. And i think it's very true about the wide receiver class. I think that while the dolphins could and and maybe even should maybe spend a little extra money to get one of those top tier talents again. I'm still the allen. Robinson guy through and through Adding a guy like marvin jones. And then you have free agents like ty hill in you could really put together a thorough group. That has a lot of death. Especially when you have gathered preston. Williams devante parker who have had injury issues in the past and you add on the point. That is most comfortable. He's at his best when you spread the field wide. So you're going to need three four sometimes. Add probably most of the time. Five days out there can catch the ball and make a play and that to me screen. Someone like t. y. Hilton specifically but josh as we talk about the stuff more and more Opinions change we grow. We learn and that is the way it should be. What is your feeling. What is your hopes your dreams for. What the dolphins do at the wide receiver position. Strictly and free agency for me. Jake and i think the biggest pipedream that i've had an honestly it started with his time at ohio state. And it's been curtis samuel. I mean. i've drafted him every season of fantasy. football guy. i've been waiting to literally break out every year with the panthers. He finally did. And he's only twenty five years old. And i think he does. A lot of those things at the dolphins need again. He can he lines up in the backfield. You can do that too. But you know he's he's that slot receiver that create separation and can create big plays and again. He has been in carolina last year's with teddy bridgewater. I had higher expectations for him than some others. But i think curtis samuel landing in the right spot is going to be a big time playmaker aside from that. I mean he might get that big contract but go down this list. I mean a guy like john. Ross we all remember him. He got what he got some crazy money for breaking the The forty yard combine time. I mean he's done nothing with the bengals but he's at player that you know all he needs maybe another chance in the right place so again just like the running deiss. You can go down this list. There's plenty of playmakers that could come in here and add value but for me. It's looking at curtis samuel. And i know dolphin fans love juju smith. So that's another name to throw out there but a lots of options. But i didn't mention chris cowan because let's be honest he's not going but if he does i mean i think that's If if you're enamored by alan robinson i would say chris godwin maya somebody i love dream. Somebody something to that. I think is worth pointing out is When i did the in the hunt podcast. One of my shining things i created. Was the branch pyramid scheme where he was dominant for a year and parlayed that into a huge deal with the dolphins another three years thirty million years. I can't i don't have the contract numbers on top of my head. Sorry i don't keep track of ranch to too much. But what i'm trying to get at is i think receiver could be a good opportunity for the dolphins to get some guys in one year. Prove deals you look at what the team wants to do. You look at how they're trying to revamp the offense so if you're going into a room to negotiate with some of these guys that say well fuller who's coming off an injury by to be a free agent you you say. Hey you're twenty seven years old. You're you are young enough where you're gonna get another big payday. We are. Offense is going to be very different than it was last year. I mean every team's gonna say our offense is going to be good. I certainly get that part. But what i mean is that we're gonna have a revamped offense with a lot of different playmakers and if you come here for one year you shine you step up you play like we know you can then you can go get that last big contract instead of waiting instead of doing it this year like where we mentioned before the break. The cap space isn't what it should be. So maybe you could get a willful or maybe a little on the relatively cheap side maybe zach pascal and one year proven deal t y hilton thirty two. That might be a guy who might try to lean towards a team. That's really a little closer being a contender. But i'm really interested to see what the different mood. The dolphins make here because allen hearns Albert wasn't we don't know what they're going to be on the team but those are the guys. Expect the dolphins to go after guys who kind of fly under the radar allen. Hearns was the perfect example. One year deal balled out. They extend the contract a little longer. Obviously it wasn't the most you know cats face breaking deal but but i think that could be really interesting development for the dolphins. Ed maybe donald john ross or willfuller opens up an opportunity there absolutely. I think what's so great about this. You know you can see here. We can talk about the draft. We can knock this guy and that guy known truly knows you know if there's anything that we realized after this noise and i said no one knows. The dolphins could be clear in all caps space tino go to these prolific wide receivers. You know we don't know what they're gonna do. But you made a great point with the way the salary cap is with the uncertainty surrounding. You know the future a lotta. These guys might want to take that one year deal might want to go out there and you know prove that they can be a long-term answer here miami so lots of good names on this list. I do think we talked on a previous podcast. But i did hear. Marvin jones had interest in miami. I think we've all heard that and again. It goes back to that time with a visit with the new england patriots. So i think when you look at marvin marvin jones. I pulled up his numbers and he's only had one one thousand yard seasons in his career which is crazy to me. But then you look down the list. And he's had in the bus jones. Yeah touchdowns yep nine touchdowns in the last four seasons so i mean that is what the dolphins would absolutely need again. He would be. That veteran mentor to help some of these young guys. So lots of options again. We'll see what happens. A free agency to then determine what happens in the draft. But jake we're sitting here talking about wide receivers. We forget about the quarterback position know. We are very happy to its envelope. We can talk about the shawn watson rumors to blue in the face ryan. Fitzpatrick is not going to be a miami dolphin by most accounts this coming year he said time and time again that he wants to be a starter and i gotta be honest. I saw ben rothlisberger that new deal. Why the heck can't ryan fitzpatrick he's younger than than rothlisberger. And i notice respect to rothlisberger but in their current state based on. We've seen. I mean we saw pretty good ryan fitzpatrick these last two years. I would take that over what we're seeing up there in pittsburgh but the point is ryan fitzpatrick's on his way out. What are the dolphins going to do at veteran quarterback in armanda salgueiro the miami herald throughout brian. Hoyer I just want to get your thoughts. Only know what he could bring as far as veteran that maybe some of those other names out there. It's a it's an interesting topic joshua and you're you're right about patrick and the rothlisberger comparison rothlisberger has taken so many big hits over the years so many injuries i mean your body breaks sound. Football's a hard david. Fitzpatrick's remained healthy through. his entire. career is exciting. I hope fans in the c- he'll put on helmets and you know you'll have a bunch of good stories. You can write on josh alex smith. He was released today the team and decided to part ways. I don't like him as the backup because abc probably going to get a tax this. I kind of think he into play the quarterback position relatively the same way. Whether you say. I'm kind of i'm going somewhere with this. Yes and then. I saw that one would be a little interesting to me again. The leg scares the crap out of me. But i mean he played last year. I think he didn't already job Brian hoyer i mean. That's just a really really land. The grilled cheese of backup quarterbacks. And i to say if a backup quarterback has to come in. I really don't wanna root for brian. Hoyer everything just sticking with the patriots. And yeah i think he actually killed us in a couple of games. I think when. Cleveland tyrod taylor is another one that i think is a little interesting to jacoby bay. Fifteen million dollars last year for yards per carry pointing that one out I don't think he really will go somewhere with a young quarterback where he's not going to get a chance to be that guy of the future so i think alex smith makes a lot of sense for me. Josh who really stands out for you. Yeah i mean for me. It's always been. I mean i guess jacoby percent thing i mean. I went back to before. When brian floors i came here. I thought that might be the veteran presence in that locker room. So that's definitely potential and if they really wanted to get a guy that you know how man. I'm i don't even know what i'm saying. If they really wanted to get a guy that you know they signed mitchell trubisky. I don't even know how to sit. I don't even know how the hell to set that out. That's what i was trying to say so that's Blake bortles. i mean this. This is what we're grasping at straws. Here so i. I don't know i don't know mattress game. I could see him throwing up thirty points. But but i already know if trubisky I can already. I already know the cell garros smear pieces are coming against trubisky. Should be the starter. After one bad game. I know i feel it in my bones. Josh on this point too. I think i want someone like alex smith or even mitchell trubisky so i can. I can be that guy. Could be the click bait guy and say i should dolphins add another top five. Pick to their locker room and just make everyone incorrectly. What scares we have to think about what the backup quarterback is. What's gonna i mean. I just keep thinking about you know to below it gets pulled for then. I just try to insert that name and try to figure out which won't be so insulting and this list is just i. I don't know man. i think. I'd rather. I think i'd rather see him. Draft a quarterback in hope to you know on day two or three and hope to maybe develop the next. Tom brady instead of going after a. Cj petard oh. There's a name okay. All i feel the radar. those blip. I think we're onto some blaine gabbert. Oh my god yeah this list. I don't know man this. This is bad through free agent back of quarter. No offense. I mean they're great. Quarterbacks really tampa people But their backup quarterbacks for for that reason the inconsistencies. Certainly there josh. Let's wrap it up here in before we talk about our final topic here. I just wanna remind everyone if you enjoy what you're listening to Go ahead and hit that. Subscribe button wherever you listen to this. Podcast tune spotify. Whatever it may be so you'll know the next time a finsider fin slatter. Whatever it may be hits the airwaves. You'll be right there to know about it and also reviews. Help us out so much. So if you can leave us review let us know what you think and we take that stuff and use it and we think about it and we try to do it to make the show better so we appreciate all the support from everyone out there. We can't say. Thank you enough. So josh you brought up an interesting player that we haven't talked about once and it was chris kaufman. Who always seems to be the guy who gets people thinking One of my favorite quotes of all time is I forgot who said it. And everyone's gonna be screaming at the radio. Because i'm sure they're gonna know who it is but it's i don't want to change your mind. I just wanted to give you a reason to think and chris. Kaufman is the best at that. He is always the box and kids the conversation going. So just what did you see from him. that you wanted to talk about in the show. Well he just threw out. And it's a great point. And i mean we keep hearing kyle pits name. I mean this is a dominant. And he's listed as tight end. But i mean let's be honest. This is a receiver Six foot six two hundred and forty. Six pounds had twelve touchdowns last year with the gators. Forty three balls for seven hundred seventy yards but chris kaufman said and he said if you want to know how pits if you're in trouble imagining how pits at number three could impact miami's offense start watching twenty twenty highlights and mike evans chase. Claypool decay metcalf travis. Kelsey and darren waller. That's your homework and like you said he shows you these videos. He does kind of like the whole herbert's they you know. Here's the film you watch it. Here's what i see but you make your own decision so my question to you was this. We haven't talked about. Kyle pits You know we know. We have mike sickie. Everyone's very fond of him. But this guy is just a different breed and again some people just as a wide receiver and also some people believe he might be the best receiver in this class. So we see here. We focus on the dramatic chases. We focus on the devante. Smith's tell me. How would you feel if the dolphins and i know maybe this is crazy and again number three overall pick. Would you take a guy. Could you see the dolphins taken an impact player like this. Who again could be best non quarterback player in this draft. Jacomb your thoughts. Because we saw england tight ends could do and again. He's listed as a tight end. What are your thoughts watching those videos. Man you throw in place around there rag dolls and it was an absolute blast and you hit the nail on the head that that the too tight end system is not far fetched and liked this idea and this is why. I think it's important to knock. It worked up when we're talking about free agency because we legitimately have no idea what they're gonna do an draft that we had no idea what the plan is in. I could really really quickly. Warm up to the idea of kyle pits. Maybe even the trade down to a five or six. Where the quarterback ryan and you can have your cake and eat it too Signed me up josh. I don't think the move would break the bank. I think there's more than enough opportunities for both kazuki and kyle pits to be on the field together. I don't i think that'd be any sort of transition at the tight end position. I mean that was a nice rahmeh we saw last year. The dolphins scored more Touched onto the position. I think in history or back since like nineteen eighty-four or something crazy like that. Dan marino was going bananas. So josh signed me up for kyle pit someone who's just going to again. Get into the secondary and get those extra yards and find his end zone. I am absolutely on board. And there's a time when the patriots were paying tight ends and that's obviously for years down the road. That's obviously a long time from now. But it's a very interesting topic. And i think it's something that the dolphins and kaufman brought up. We should all be looking at. Because i think there is a lot of value there. I think you can always line up too tight ends. I think you can wind up both wide. I mean who knows. Maybe the dolphins will play a team that puts philip wheeler on one of them with the game on the line. That would be my dream after the call timeout after they called him. Oh my god. Oh the reggie bush go go go. Oh my god. I heard of the guy that was giving me planet packs. I was so triggered. Oh my god that such a sad time. You're going with this. I completely forgot. I was gonna say i think what i was gonna say is i think this is just another semester. While the dolphins can trade down again. I think you know peanut. Swale a f- f that name all season long. He'd be great there number three but if the dolphins have a team. That's gonna come up and get a quarterback and you can down the seven six or eight. You know somewhere in that area and then you can have devante. Smith jomar chaser cow pits. Whichever one of those guys falls in your lap the best case scenario then you have an extra first round pick that you got from trading back. I mean if the dolphins don't make shawn watson that should be the way they approach us and like like we said and like chris coffin. Said if you're not paying attention to cal pits. It's probably to do so. I keep seeing eighty-four jake. I don't know if. I see. Chris chambers flashing before my eyes or if i'm going even further than that and i see you know a randy moss. I said Had i don't see. I don't see any moss but eighty four. I had no choice. i don't blame. I don't blame you whatsoever josh. I think that's a great way to wrap it up. We got our mike. Schuermann gogo comments out of the way. 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Could Kyle Van Noy make a return to the Patriots? | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Could Kyle Van Noy make a return to the Patriots? | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"Hey everybody. This is Evan Lazar. And you are listening to the Patriots beat podcast powered by the seal honest media podcast Network and brought to life by our great sponsors at bet online. I'm joined as always by Alex Barth of 98.5 and Alex just before we hit record on the Pod today this breaking news on a pre-recorded broadcast. It doesn't get any better. We can breaking news, you know sound effect or something. Maybe we can add that and post just before we sign on to talk about all things latest news in the page. It's off season moves the Miami Dolphins informed the linebacker Kyle Van Noy of his release Vannoy, obviously formerly of the Patriots kind of made his career with New England and thought that deal in Miami, it wouldn't free agency last two offseasons ago because of what he did with the Patriots. So this is obviously a domino effect here that Van Noy could easily end up back. New England I think we could have saw this coming that the Patriots and Venoy talked about this at length that Bill Belichick really used him in the best possible way and got the best out of his skill-set because of the usage in defense and then he goes someplace else and he was still productive for Miami, but they obviously felt that the contract did not match the production and they said they saved nine million dollars with this. So right, you know in a year where Cap is tight. It's certainly understandable. It's not that he fell off extremely or anything like that. The other interesting angle here is we discussed the potential Patriots return for Kyle Van Noy has normally in one of these scenarios where former Patriot or clear Patriot Target ends up on the market. And you say he makes sense for New England. You also kind of have to talk about, you know, the satellite campuses of the New England Patriots Day right now Detroit's no longer a satellite campus map. Patricia's out he's not going I mean probably not going back to Miami like those satellite. Maybe the Giants would be the only one left, but yep. Talking about you know competition within the Bill Belichick coaching treated get him if Bill wants and he's not fighting off his other assistance to get him. I think would make a ton of sense. I'd change if we have the tape if we can go back and pull the tape from when we the first time we worked together clns when Vannoy left I said and I said this all over the place Kyle Vineyard to me screamed like that Patrick Chung Jamie Collins type of player where he comes to New England is Chung's first didn't wasn't great but comes to New England proves to be, you know, a quality player goes elsewhere chases. The money doesn't have the same success in another system and it comes back for a second stint and really solidifies his legacy as Patriot. I can totally totally see Kyle Van Noy following that track and it's playing out here. I don't think it's going to cost the page. It's a ton to bring him back. Like I don't think his Market is going to be too robust. And then on top of that they have the money if they have to pay him a little more if they want him back. They need linebackers. They need veteran XP. It's linebackers. This should absolutely be a conversation the Patriots should absolutely be in on Van Noy, I wouldn't be surprised if Calvin was the patriot by the end of the week, you know, cuz he can sign with any team now. They just took him so it's automatically an unrestricted free agent. Just like JJ Watt was he doesn't have to wait till March 17th assign with a new team the Patriots have that need like you said for a veteran linebacker. I think that Thor linebacker in the draft when you just drafted o j and Jennings it's kind of more of the same unless you're going to go up in the first round and get Micah Parsons or save and Collins or something like that that's going to come in and make a day one impact your life looking at the same sort of trajectory for their careers. Whereas been knowing, you know, as a plug-and-play starter for you on the edge and that was really where his career blossomed is when Bill Belichick early on in his career with Detroit them an inside linebacker off the ball for the Lions and it was a world change a position switch for him in college. He was an edge rusher rushing the past or said in the end of the defense playing behind the line of scrimmage are on the line. Image and that was where he really felt most comfortable and then he goes and he and he transitions obviously to inside linebacker to do his size yard with that Ledic ability at the pro level and it didn't work out in Detroit and he was a failed second round pick with the lions at the Patriots get for absolutely nothing one of those Bill Belichick pick swap swindles that he has done in the past becomes the New England Belichick puts him back on the line of scrimmage in a 3-4 defense has an outside linebacker and everybody's making these my my Grable Rosie Colvin, you know, whatever one you want to use kind of comparisons at this guy that can play a little bit off the line a little bit off the line extremely versatile guy really smart and terrible guy that really started to pick up the system later on in this Patriot Square as well and Bill Belichick talked about that too of how smart of a player think of a player Kyle Van Noy became so 2019 the boogeyman his last season with the Patriots been noise was a really really good player for them. Led the team in quarterback pressures goes ahead. Paid by Miami and here we are that he's a free agent again. So it was a little bit of an interesting ending. I would say that van noise Patriots tenure that 2019 season obviously didn't and any way that anyone was home active but I remember standing in the locker room on that the day after they lost the Titans speaking to Kyle Van Noy and we all left that day saying, oh this guy's chasing the money, right? There's no way he's back here next year. I'm going to go after the biggest contract possible in the free agent Market. We all thought that Miami was a possibility to throw it was a possibility again with Matt Patricia end up in Miami for I think it was almost thirteen million dollars a year a really big free-agent contract. It just felt like the writing was on the wall form at that point that he was going to go ahead and get paid and take advantage of how well he played a New England. But yeah now as a different story and the Patriot gas cap space this this move makes all the sense in the world to add him back with Dante Hightower and give them some veteran Presence at that edge position. That was I would say arguably the worst part of their job. Last year was setting the edge of the defense John Simon Chase winovich really struggled in that role of annoyed did not so I think that this is an easy one and easy one to decide that they should go after him I would get sick and I guess I'll just to backtrack something I said cuz I saw somebody I can remember who points us out on Twitter. There is I guess technically one more patriots satellite campus out there now that's down in Tampa and they do have some linebacker wage depending for agent. So maybe that's competition but it's a different scheme that right, you know, it's not the like the Patriots gave me add two braids becoming more and more the coach. He might take over the defensive side of the ball at some point, This is Todd Bowles of the defense is a very good defensive coordinator. He just won the Super Bowl basically, so I think the other thing was going down there I will mention is that maybe more so than brown noise extremely close with Robbie G as he calls him Rob Gronkowski those who were really good friends in New England. So maybe if you're looking for a Tampa Bay connection, I think it's actually be on Brady wage. It might actually be wrong that could really appeal to Kyle Van Noy again. I think the biggest thing is though is that he knew that Bill Belichick optimized him here in New England. He knew that his skill-set was best song by Bill and I remember he went on I can't remember I think was a Bleacher Report podcast or something like that where he said, I got to New England Bill kind of gave me like a three-step plan of how he was going to use me in this defense fact. I kind of had an epiphany of like, wow, this guy knows exactly how to use me correctly. This is exactly how I should have been playing my entire career and he really turned it around with the Patriots. This would be an awesome move for the pass. This is exactly the type of player the type of situation that they needed somebody that they have a past relationship with that. They can bring in to add to the front seven. I couldn't really think I had never thought of this was a possibility cuz I think he actually had a pretty solid season, you know, you just as a you know, we did last week the cap casualties as a cap casualty. They have Andrew van ginkel who isn't Vannoy but isn't a bad player at all. Solid player so, you know, there's not a nine million dollar gap between the two of them. It was worth bringing up the nine million dollars. That's just the reality of what this offseason is going to be in the NFL for most often not all of them. There's a handful of teams to do actually have some cap space under the lower salary cap, but you're going to see players like this like Kyle Van Noy quality players coming off of good years. In fact, even Thirty like he's not I don't think so. Cuz the Patriot bolt in his on his rookie contract remember from from Miami from Detroit, excuse me, when they made that trade he was still off on his on his rookie deal. I mean and I think the insurance yeah, he he turns Thirty March 26th, right? So, you know age isn't an issue here know age isn't an issue. I would assume as well that it is probably going to be one of those situations where the players going to take a one-year deal to try to reset his value. This just screams exactly what Jamie Collins just did with the Patriots right? Yep. I think there might have been a little bit more than what they paid Collins is last time around but the screams that situation where he signs a one-year deal back in New England where he knows he's going to start and he knows he's going to produce an easy transition back into the system for him. He knows everything ins-and-outs of the defense like the back of his hand. He's going to have a great season with the Patriots if he comes back. Yeah. I know we're talking about like it's just a done deal. I guess not it's it's on be up to him, right? You know, it's obviously going to be up to him if he wants to come back but it didn't end on a poor know. I mean obviously engine or not in terms of the results losing to the Titans and the Wild Card round was not what you had in mind but it is typically did not play well in that game. Yeah, it didn't end poorly with the coaching staff didn't end poorly. Would Bill Belichick, you know, there was no sourness on either side. It was just that Miami came out and gave this Godfather and type of offer to hit Kyle Van Noy and free agency that the Patriots just never were going to match. But I think it really comes back to the fact that the Patriots have like we've been saying they have those young linebackers and Luce and Jennings that are those developmental pieces. If you add another game, you know, if you add a fee Warner if you add somebody like that in the second to the third round, it's kind of the same thing, right? You're still going with young inexperienced players. The annoyed gives them a guy that has been having done that won a Superbowl understands how the scheme is around and understands his role within it. That's why it makes so much sense is that when you look at it for team, this can be sort of a Reclamation project for both sides, right? And you look I mean Hightower we think is coming back from the opt out. The report is he's coming back but beyond that, I mean, they're next closest blind back or he's kind of in that gray area, I guess in in terms of veterans John Simon. He's a pending free agent. Who knows if he's coming back. So if you lose Simon, then you have high tower coming off a year off. You have Bentley who has like thirty something at a field games under his birth. And then a bunch of rookies or second-year guys start bringing. This was a huge problem last year. You mentioned their linebackers specifically on the edge where one of the main issues I think a big reason that was an issue is you just had a ton of guys who it either never played in the NFL or played only a handful of snaps in the NFL you did that to position where experience is huge and they didn't have it. They had Brandon Copeland for like four or five wage is mostly on special teams. Then he got hurt. They didn't have that that veteran presence against shilique Calhoun kind of was in that role at one point. He's hardly what you would consider, you know, not a bad player, but he's hardly a log into NFL veteran. He's a departure from the kind of you know, veteran leader taunts a Hightower as Kyle Van Noy can give you some of that. So not only does he help schematically, I think just having him in that room would be incredibly valuable to the team as they try to develop the Joshua Casey Anthony Jennings, Terez Hall, like whoever absolute no-brainer, I think from the Patriots perspective. The question is it says van dog Want to come back or the Patriots going to be willing to pay the money that he might be able to get on the open market but from New England perspective and absolute no-brainer. This will veteran linebacker moved that they kind of needed this off-season, right? I didn't really think that they were going to be too interested in the Levante David or even the Matt Milano at their price tags, but the noise on a one-year eight million dollar deal to come play Edge for them so that they can develop food chain Jennings behind him that that's got no brainer from a patriot perspective written all over. Well you what let's play this game you're talking about the value. So Vannoy on his previous deal was scheduled to make twelve million dollars over the next three years. So that's just why you don't do math on the other. That's three. Would you give him like a three year Thirty million dollar contract 36 million dollar contract wage. I probably would I don't know if Bill Belichick would go there for pass-rush usually doesn't pay the pass rushers Chandler Jones Richard Seymour Kyle Van which whatever level of degree you want to go with them. Usually those guys get paid elsewhere not in New England, but I do think that the Patriots again do not like you've been saying they don't have a ton of Veteran presence of that spot and wage is definitely the type of guy that could stick around for a couple of years and give them that and it would really mitigate some of their needs on the edge of the defense and not force them to either overpay somebody else and free agency that's never been a scheme or go out in the draft and use another high asset another top-100 pick on an edge rusher. Remember I mentioned in Jennings they also use the top 100 pick on Chase winovich. So they've tried to hit that spot in the draft three times now and they've gotten some good players. They've gotten some good prospects, but those are developmental guys, you know, when if it's maybe not so much anymore because we kind of know what he is, but certainly with you J and Jennings home on the developmental stages of their careers. This is a ready-made starting NFL Edge Defender and Kyle Van Noy who just had a huge season with the Patriots not too long ago. So and again he had a good job. Is in get a good season Miami so it's not like, you know, you're not getting him cuz I see people on Twitter right now saying Jamie Collins and they got Jamie Collins for it wasn't it? Like $900,000. It was it was nothing like me, really did not you're right. I know this isn't quite that there's certainly a parallel and I'm not saying you can't draw that parallel, but you can't when it comes to the contract. Kyle Van Noy was not cut because he's not good player hitting very good player last year was he playing up to twelve million dollars a year? Right a $14 cap hit maybe not was he playing his like an eight nine ten million dollars a year linebacker. Yeah, probably is he going to get that in free agency the Market's down, you know, as I kind of look here at this contract a little further. So there was an out after this upcoming season so didn't use the out here. They're going to have to eat the dead money, which it looks like is a lot is also only like four million, so it's not too bad, but you know you factor in the out you split the difference. Can you get him for like two years twenty two million two years twenty-three million that feels realistic to me based on the deal JJ Watt you're signed and and what he's been in the last five years only playing 16 games twice. He hasn't played eight and the other more than eight and the other three, I would give Kyle Vander like a two-year ten million dollar twelve million dollar year contract and that's not a totally foreign for the Patriots either. They don't pay big for Edge rushers, but they will go out and give a linebacker that kind of middle term deal in the in the times where they really need one. And like we said took a number of reasons in terms of putting together the depth chart in terms of Veteran leader. They need that guy. I don't think that's unrealistic for vendor. I think that could get it done like 2 to 23 something like that like that feels like my question is a linguistic ballpark. Yeah, just a wrap this up. My question is today even need to do that because this is going to be an offseason with the cap situation being that what it is. A lot of these veteran players are going to suck. One year deals, right A lot of these guys are going to sign one-year deals for modest money and they're going to bank on themselves so that when the cap resets in 2022 and goes back up to over two hundred million dollars. They can then go ahead and make that big money deal. So from Van Nuys perspective. I actually think that the best thing for him to do is kind of 1-year deal in the right ball out and then go and sign another big contract and free agency after that. That's the parallel to Jamie Collins, right? It's nice too much that Vinoy is at that level of where Collins was before. He came back to New England in 2019. The parallel is that one you'll deal bet on yourself play really well and then go ahead and get your big money contract. We got a shout out our sponsor ad bit online. AG. Maybe you want to go on bed online and bet on, this is next destination. I'm sure that odds will be up there very soon or any of it upcoming free agents that we're going to talk about on today's podcast, but BetOnline the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action. Yep. Call might be over but MBA college basketball and the NHL are on full-swing but online even covers Awards TV shows and reality T V real time updated odds and props on almost anything you can you imagine but online has you covered for all the new scoresandodds the best way to place your bets and it's free to sign up enter the website or use your mobile device to sign up today and receive your 50% Welcome bonus on your phone number to posit don't sit on the sidelines any anymore get in on the action. Don't forget to use that promo code clns 50 to receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first deposit. All right, we wanted to talk about one more place a news here before we move on to our free agency offensive preview. We did defense last week. We're going to do offense this week non-quarterback still cuz we talked so much about the TVs the other piece of info. We wanted to talk with Jason La Canfora saying that NFL Executives feel that Stephon Gilmore is basically trade bait nap or New England and he's going to be traded at some point in this offseason would have liked him for his name. It was a foregone conclusion is basically what he is hearing of Gilmore being traded we've talked about this one briefly, but maybe not as in-depth as we could this seems like a really strong possibility that's been happening for a very long time last training camp. The Patriots had to give him an advance in his salary to get him back into Camp as he was unhappy with his contract. He puts his house on the market because you know right around the trade deadline the end off deadline last season, he doesn't get moved. They tried to move him or had conversations about moving him before the draft as well last year. So this is a long time coming that Stephon Gilmore and the Patriots are parting ways off. Yeah, and it I don't know that it made sense for them to like need to do it enough at any of those previous points. You mentioned it makes sense. Now, he needs a new contract. They're going in another Direction, you know, giving a thirty-year-old cornerback. Twenty-five Thirty million dollars a year, whatever it's going to be. It's just not where they are as an organization right now. So it makes a ton of sense at this point. The question is how do they approach it? Are they going to look at a player for player wage in maybe you find a player on another team who's in a similar spot at a position of need right corner is not exactly that kind of position need for the Patriots. Is there a wide receiver somewhere is is their safety package where who's in this kind of same spot that they can just essentially trade problem for problem or do you go into the draft? That's what I would do. I wrote about this last week for 98 five The Sports Hub, You can check it out. I think what you have to do with Gilmore. Look at what the Vikings did was to find Dick's last year. They traded him for it and it was a bunch of pics but we're just going to highlight the trade him for a first-round pick. They then use a first-round pick on the same position. So, yes, you give up an established veteran but an established veteran who wanted out and in exchanging it younger at the position yet more affordable at the position if you hit on the pick, you still suck. Player, obviously that last one's a big if but you know digs was under contract because I think had for years left on a five-year do when they made that trade. He's also younger than Gilmore and wasn't coming off in the injury. So the values not quite the same the Vikings. I think they moved into the top fifteen right? Where was Jefferson taken or he was eighteen twenty to Twenty-One. Okay, great before the Patriots because you remember the Patriots were on the phone right now to check they make you take vitamins make a big for Justin Jefferson the Patriots traded out of 23 like 30 seconds later. So I would say that again in some sense the value wasn't clear but I would argue Gilmore just inherently as a player is more valuable than what Stefon Diggs was at this time last year just being a cornerback. Obviously, he needs a new contract that doesn't help. So a first-round pick may be a stretch but a team I'm looking at is the Green Bay Packers. They're sitting at number twenty nine. It was made painfully obvious as fear evident that NFC Championship Game. Just rear Alexander And as good as he is and I think the world of Gerald Sanders a corner. She needs some help on the other side. It's not going to matter. Right right yet hover every receiver on the field. He can only cover one guy and co-workers are they need to sell out? They need to go and make a run. Aaron Rodgers window is closing, right? So, can you get 29 for maybe Gilmour and you throw a fourth or fifth in there something and I used that pick on a corner. Maybe it's Asante Samuel jr. Or somebody I've seen mocked there, you know something like that where you mimic the Stefon Diggs trade another team. I think that now should be in play Life on Gilmore. They weren't until yesterday is the Arizona Cardinals because they're starting to build up quite the roster but they're missing one thing a secondary. They have budda Baker who's good. But you know Patrick Peterson isn't quite Patrick Peterson anymore. You know, they they have an agent Byron Murphy. I you know, I think that's something where can you get a first-round pick from a team that's just desperate in will overpay for Thursday. Corner, and then they're a little bit higher in the draft the Cardinals. I do remember exactly where they are but do the same thing flip that and then maybe you're in the JC horn conversation or something like that. That's how I would approach this if I was the page. So, I think that the Patriots kind of I think they they by kicking the can down the road on this trade. I think they eliminated all hope that they're going to get a first-round pick for Stephon Gilmore cuz he's only under contract for one month or year. It's not even necessarily the age of the injury. It's that you're trading for the player to then pay the player and give him a monster contract on top of the fact that you have to flip an asset for him. So I wonder if the best possible scenario for them and I think there are some things that are in play in the Top fifty, you know, maybe Dallas trades their second round pick to the Patriots for Stephon Gilmore, but I actually would call Dallas and try to create a deal around Michael Gallup and Stephon Gilmore. Maybe Dallas gives you Michael Gallup and 1/3 and you send back Stephon Gilmore to to the Cowboys those player for player swaps. I think it need to be in the conversation with them. More because they can take like you said from an area of strength that cornerback and address a need at wide receiver and get a veteran wide out in here because I think the draft pick as we know and end of the first draft it can be a crapshoot, right? It can turn right as quickly as it can turn into Logan Mankins it can it can turn into n'keal Harry right and you just don't know what that laws are down over us are dealing with the second round. But yeah, yeah, that's what we're getting at. So the question is is is that is that really the rep that you want to go with such a great player like Stephon Gilmore not knowing exactly what you're going to get in that draft pick is a little bit dicey number. I think the benefit of it is and we I wrote about this a few weeks ago is that there are some cornerbacks in the draft especially near the top of the draft. We're really really prototypical Patriot type of player Patrick Stewart is probably going to be a top ten top 15 pick but he's definitely a patriot type of corner, press 15 to 25. Maybe. I don't know. It depends on who you ask for. Now on Caleb Farley has a lot of people dead. Spooning as well because of his athleticism. But either way he's going to be in the top ten top fifteen of the NFL draft JC horn I think is another guy who might be the most physical Corner in the entire draft, right? He plays a really physical brand of football both against the past and in run support he can tackle he can really play press man coverage. He's got fluidity. He's got all the man coverage skills in the world that you're going to want to stop all skills is. Lengths. He went to South Carolina just like Gilmore, right? You know there there's a lot of things that he resembles in a patriot type of corner as well. So there are guys in the draft especially at first round conversation at fifteen that the value is going to be there and the skill set and the translation into the Patriots defense is 100% going to be there now. None of us really want our closing time for the Patriots to take the corner in the first round necessarily, but if they lose a guy like Gilmore, they need to have somebody in that spot that can start and play productively right away. You can't really go off. With all let's see what happens with Joanne Williams at that spot or let's put Jason McCourty there at that spot of his age. I think that's a losing proposition. So somebody next to the other side of Jesse Jackson may be a ready tailor-made corner and I think it's there's a bunch of options in the first round there that I just mentioned. I don't know if Farley is necessarily their type of guy. He's pretty raw but Patrick's aren't and JC horn in particular two guys that definitely check a lot of boxes for the Patriots. Yeah. And I mean, I it's an interesting point about Gallup you kind of just trade one need for another I I'm still you know, I think they can get a first-round pick them trading in to the top fifteen within they're not going to do that. But again a team like the Packers that the windows so small, what does that first round pick really do for them right by the time that guys ready to go off is Aaron Rodgers even still there? Okay. So like I look at that and I think it just makes all the sense in the world for them to bring in a veteran. There's not a ton they can do with that pic. I know you have to figure out the cap side of it but the dog As Belichick lights to say can be maneuvered so I'm not I don't know like if you trade for a guy like Michael Gallup, right who you just brought up then that's uh, you know a one year for one year Thursday. Are you residing if you can sign Michael Gallup to an extension, I guess I'm more behind it. If you know you're going to do that. But if you trade Gilmore for a first you draft a corner, that's a four to five-year investment. That's a guy, you know, you're gonna have as you go through this to to rebuild that you that can kind of be a Cornerstone of the defense if you treat Gilmore for Gallup, you're giving up a Cornerstone who granted you might lose any way for guy. You might lose you still might lose anyway, and then you're just back to zero, I guess maybe going to throw around cam pic. So I'm just I guess I'm more interested in the long-term right now and to me if you can swap him for a pickup understand there's risk, but I just like the long-term upside of that and I trust Bill Belichick to identify a first-round cornerback. Maybe not a second round cornerback. I already mentioned reside Dowling but in in such a good corned number. At year, right? I trust him to go out and find the right guy there. Yeah, and it's an interesting trade because I think the Patriots are going to pull off a trade this offseason. This is just a gut feel like that's a little bit creative right? I don't know if it's going to necessarily be that traditional. Oh, we flipped Jimmy Garoppolo for a high second-round pick, right? I don't know if it's going to be that way because I feel like if she has a Green Bay, maybe it's like a second round pick and Green Bay is got a bunch of receivers. Maybe they send a receiver a part of the package do to incentivize the deal for the Patriots, you know, something like that. It's a little bit outside the box that's sort of like an MBA trade where you're trading players and picks. I feel like that that's sort of how the Patriots lead to think right now because they might not be a super attractive destination for some of these free agent wide receivers were about to talk about they might not be able to entice Hunter Henry to come here with their quarterback situation or a Curtis Samuel or will Fuller to come here with their quarterback. Situation, so maybe they have to think a little bit outside the box and that's a really good segue into our freeway. Hang on real quick. You won't hear sure Devin McCourty just tweeted at Kyle Van Noy with the eyeball emojis wage for the two of them and Patriots uniform. I'm telling you it just Emoji season. Maybe it may not have it happen for everybody because then I can easily come back here or have another 60 pressure season rushing the passer for Bill Belichick and go ahead and get a very similar deal that he just got in Miami for another team. It just it just has all the makings of them return in in the world. Let's talk about these free-agent offensive players though as I mentioned off the top of the show. We're not going to really hit on quarterbacks, but I do want to tell you guys that we're assuming that Dak Prescott off on Robinson Chris Godwin and this one's a little bit more fifty-fifty, but I think the lines are eventually going to attack Kenny golladay as well. So I think those four guys are all going to be Franchise Tax, so we're not going to talk about them birth. Talk about people that we not talk about demonstrate targets when it comes to Dak Prescott Italian trade situation. I guess we could we could I don't I will say it again cuz I haven't noticed a million times so I can find it when it happens in a call back to it. I don't see a world where Dak Prescott can self respectively play Under the franchise tag for the Dallas Cowboys. I don't see it and after all he's given that organization the injury and all of that and a quarterback empowerment what's going on do get paid get some long-term Financial Security or cherries going to tag, you know, there's it's a hundred percent guaranteed forty million bucks jobs are few signs of tender is forty million dollars Richard. That's why you in here and I think it's important that Kirk Cousins talked about this well little bit about not being afraid of the tag as a quarterback right wage because you can actually make more money if you signed two tabs and then the three-year deal after that for franchise quarterback money you end up making more money than you would if you just signed a deal in the in the short-term, I think. Cowboys and Dad Prescott her headed sort to sort of a little bit of a standoff here because Jack wants that deal. Obviously. He wants to get Patrick Mahomes level money. He's not going to get that right off quarterback, but he's not Patrick mom, so he's not going to touch that but you want thirty-five forty million dollars a year and I think the sticker shock of that regardless of how highly they think of that page in the building the appear sticker shock of that I think is too much right now for Jerry Jones right to really sell himself on paying one guy thirty-eight million dollars a year for the next five six seven years. I just don't think Jerry can stomach it right now. And and that's going to be the problem for Dallas with deck is that deck is not going to commit to anything less than what he's worth as he shouldn't and they're kind of heading towards an impact there, but let's drop the deck. All right, you know that you want them to sneakily go after DEC I get it. Let's talk about Hunter Henry here though for a second and who is projected to make sure? 5 and 1/2 million dollars per year on the open market as the top paid tight end in free agency. We know Bill Belichick loves the guy. We know he's been watching him since high school and all that kind of stuff and he is your prototypical white. I didn't write you can put his hand in the dirt and block you can run around from in line or detach from the formation. It runs really good Ralph breaks at the top of his route. He's very clean at the top can break off of options and stuff like that. That's what he did with the Chargers a lot when he is healthy. He's a pretty good red-zone weapon as well. So you understand why he is going to make as much money as he's going to make I actually think the money is a little bit on top of what Hunter Henry himself is said personally about the quarterback situation needing to be good and the situation around him needing to be a certain level of of contention. I think money factor is actually going to play in here with under Henry because the Patriots did just take two guys in the third round at the position. Are they really then going to take that and then allocate a lot of decent amount wage? Cap space to a tight end as well. So now you have to top one hundred and one picks a 12 and 1/2 million dollar tight end three guys that you're kind of invested in that one spot when you're really only going to play one or two at a time. Yeah. It's going to come down to the money and look you can say he wants to play for winter. All he wants JJ Watt said that and he signed with the Cardinals who aren't bad, but they're not, you know Contender, they're not a top-level team off if the Patriots want Hunter Henry they have to pay them the most money, right? It's that simple and whether they will or not, you know, I don't know that you put him in the situation with I think if you if you really want Hunter Henry and he's how you fix. Your Tite you think he's how you fix your tight end position you right off Devin asiasi adults and Keen is just operational losses right in that is what it is. You're going to stick with those guys and they're fine backup tight ends and off the the idea is if you give what was it twelve million dollars a year for how many years was the projection there about four years twelve and half million dollar deal. It's it's essentially the same as what other guys like Austin number and people of that level I've gotten in the fridge inside and Market just obviously relative to this year's cab. So we'll call like a four year 55 million dollar deal. If you're if you're giving Hunter Henry a four year 55 million dollar deal with the idea is you're done adding it tight end for the next four years. So and I I said this right when we talked about drafting tight ends that I think that whatever tight end they add this year. That's it the conversations over your job done so they have to hit on that like if you under Henry, yes, you can't add any more but in theory, that should be fine because you have Hunter Henry in your okay. So like I'm not worried about that I would think a.m. Wouldn't be worried about that cuz you're not signing Hunter Henry with the thought that shoot now. We can't add any more tight ends. You shouldn't need to that being said if they really want, you know, a better second tight end on top of it than this is not your guy. Then what you need to do is sign a Gerald Everett or trade for Zach ertz, and then get back into the draft and try to get one of these top-tier tight ends. That's how you build that way. And then maybe you cut bait with Dalton Keenan some point to free up the roster spot. I don't think you can look at when it comes to the draft. I think you can look at Asia Asia and Keen as stopping the addition of a tight end because three tight ends on rookie deal you really tied in now to guys who are not sure things Hunter Henry injuries aside is as sure thing as you're going to get so if you're bringing him in I'm not worried if that closes the door in the same position because it should be closed. You shouldn't need to add another tight end if you get Hunter Henry, but again if they want to get them that projection was what twelve and half over forty years. It might take 60/4 bath. Not only are you going to need to pay him the most you're going to need to pay him significantly more since he's coming to a situation where there's offensive uncertainty. You might need to pay him $15 a year is he said that he would be if he didn't get hurt a lot. I can tell you that we know the Chargers medical staff is like I want to say a mess. That's underselling it one of their one of their traits just punctured to starting quarterbacks lungs and it was like, oh this isn't the first time something that's dumb has happened. So, you know, maybe Hunter Henry is not injury-prone. Maybe the Chargers just suck ass at keeping them healthy, which that certainly lines up right every year. There's one big charger injury and training camp. McCain has been hurt his entire career in Allen. Who is Casey Hayward. You've got hurt like four years in a row off like it's it's even trickier there cuz you don't know what the real injury situation is. But again, they're going to have to pay him and pay him a lot, but I wouldn't let that I wouldn't let that stop me cuz I'm He solves your issues at tight end as well. As any option. You're going to get this offseason. Yeah, I agree a hundred percent with that. It wasn't interesting thing about Hunter Henry is quarterback comment was is that does that mean that he doesn't feel that Justin Herbert wage is a good enough quarterback to bring him back to the Chargers. I don't know if he necessarily meant that but say that the quarterback has to be good and he's willing to kind of shop himself in free agency a little bit kind of suggest that maybe he doesn't feel like a rookie or a second-year quarterback. Like Herbert is moving the needle Forum he needs to go to a situation where there is a proven veteran commodity at any of those teams have cap. None of their teams that have those wage except. I think a lot of guys say things when they enter free agency, right because it's really easy to say something when you don't have the dollar amounts in front of you again, look at j j y if he really wants I go to a winner and it was about maximizing his career. He would have played for $900,000 for the Pittsburgh Steelers lined up next to his brother. They would have had the best defense in football. But what do you have you can say all you with? When there's fifteen million dollars and twenty five million dollars sitting in front of you on the table, you know, a lot of stuff just goes right out the window. Yeah. Yeah and Hunter Henry like you said I think is a plug-and-play player that fills all the needs that you needed at at out of a tight end, right? You can be a matchup weapon. He can be a blocker he can do a little bit of everything, you know is not necessarily as versatile as a guy like Johnny Smith your birth to talk about here in a second, but he's definitely checks a lot of those boxes. I just wonder if he's going to want to come here. I wonder if the Patriots are going to be attractive enough if Bill Belichick gushing him about him and saying much he loves them all the way back to high school is really going to be enough of on top of the fact that they're going to offer them the money. Is that going to be enough to learn him here. The next name we want to talk about is Will Fuller house who is going to be paid. Hey despite his injury history. The projections are still having him at over around sixteen Seventeen million dollars a year. That sounds like a whole lot of money for a guy. That's never. Yep. Field but when he is on the field, we're talking about a game-breaker, you know, a game-breaking vertical threat that is one of the best vertical threats in the entire NFL at just creating separation over the edge of the defense of getting behind the defense. We're talking about somebody that can really burn on the inside in the slot or on the outside. Not necessarily a scheme touch guy. Not a ball-carrier like a Tyreek Hill, but just a traditional straight line. I'm going to meet you in the end zone type of player. It's a lot of money but the Patriots desperately need somebody like that that can do that those sort of things. Yeah. I just think with them, right they look at value our how do they value their not you're not getting him for what? Is it? Six games? Right? Yeah suspension the first six games of his contract and he served he survived those games at the end one. It's one game. Okay, so then yeah, like maybe he's an option I again with I just I I've said this before he's going to be probably top three paid received. Free agency, right? If not top five. I you know, if you're going to spend twenty five million dollars at that position give me a $15 guy and a ten million dollar guy instead of just 125 million dollar guy. That's just thought, you know, the Patriots need more than one receiver more than one established receiver. Can they go to the draft sure, but what are they really have four nfl-caliber wide receivers on this roster? I you know what Julian Edelman status is going to be during the year. N'keal. Harry obviously is still a project to Mere bird is a third fourth receiver. Maybe he's not a guy you count on a Jacoby Myers is the closest thing they have and she's even you know, he he shouldn't be your first receiver. He should be your third or fourth. So right there you need at least two. If not three guys, if you spend all that money on will Fuller all that's going to have to happen is we'll Fuller's going to get double-covered and yeah, Jacoby Myers has a slightly better year than he did last year, but you're kind of just right back where you were they need to have Optimum. They need guys who will stress the defense from different points blowing twenty million dollars on will Fuller. Well, he's a good player doesn't solve that it needs to be multiple players. They need to build an offense not just a bulb talent and what it's going to cost them to bring in will Fuller I think handcuffs them in acquiring some of that second level talent that they ultimately need to get back into contention. Yeah, I agree with all that. I think the biggest thing was off though just to play Devil's Advocate is that the Patriots have been the slowest offense in the NFL for two years, right? They've been I would say even arguably three years if you want to go back to the 2018 season, even though I'm with a Superbowl not offense had issues certainly during the regular season that time that's a really big issues and will Fuller when he's healthy and that's that's a big if if he's healthy he comes in here and he brings a level of explosiveness that they have not had since I guess Brandin Cooks, right? They they just haven't had somebody that can truly explode and create big plays for the offense. Yep. Willful are can that's what they need. They need a big-play threat and will Fuller is one of the best and he's an unrestricted free agent and he's available that that's sort of the conversation there. Next guy on my list. Here is Juju Smith Schuster who I think if Juju Smith Schuster did none of the tick top stuff that none of the off-field trash-talk didn't stop on dance on logos and all that kind of stuff. If you just looked at Juju Smith Schuster on tape and you said with the Patriots be interested in this player. The answer would be a hundred percent. Yes, but something tells me that Bill Belichick is not get a a wide receiver $16 a year. That's just as interested in making Tik Tok videos as he is preparing for his next opponent. Yeah. There's a commitment question there. He also the last Steelers receiver granted completely different kind of person the personality issue or if it is at this point. You're not sure though, right like did some of that Antonio Brown juice rub off on Juju because know did they hate each other? Okay, and JuJu wasn't that guy because he's you know, he's a second-round pick the risk of the concerns coming out of USC about his speed and his ability to separate and stuff like that and he came in and he worked his butt off and made himself a a really good NFL player that's going to get paid this offseason. But now all of a sudden he started reading, you know, his own press clippings a little bit got a little bit D but him and he's kind of changed a little bit more towards that and Tom Brown Diva wide receiver mentality. Yeah, and again, like different different personality issues. But the last dealers receivable brought in didn't exactly go swimmingly. They're still literally paying for it off. You know, you mentioned the work ethic is there. Yeah, cuz he's not the player. He was at USC. We know he knows how to make himself a better player that one to me comes down to a meeting. I can see to embellish am interested but it's going to be you know, can can you look Juju Smith Schuster in the eyes and see yes. I'm going to you know, I'm going to tow the company line. I'm going to be what you want to be. I think the the concept that busy Spell check sucks all the personality out of his players is a little over right Rob Gronkowski. Look, he's not the guy he is now in Tampa, but he was able to have a personality Tom Brady certainly social media page later Years in New England was able to have a personality which seemed like JC Jackson talks a lot. Yeah, we don't talk about it. But he what did he say before surgery training camp last year. I can cover anything else. He talked about Juju after that. He I don't remember that one. But I remember that I can cover anything. Yeah. Yeah, you know, he does talk a little bit Ginger tell us a lot though, you know, it's basically the whole, you know, Bill won't cuz he uses shows social media. That's overblown. I I do think there's an element of it to dancing on the logo stuff right bills not going to want that. The one thing he does one is bulletin board materials. So I think it comes down to conversation and basically, you know, his pitch to Juju is I can get the most out of you. You did a really good job growing your game I can help you with. Keep growing it, but you need to cut back somewhat on the social media. Does he believe we'll Juju agree to that and we'll build trust Juju to agree to that becomes the question but there are no Jews a special talent. He's not a unique talent. There are other guys for roughly the same price. We're going to give you roughly the same thing. They might not be as young but how many receivers truly get a second contract the Patriots. So that might not be something bills worried about but he can go elsewhere find guys who can give him the same production bill can who aren't going to be dancing on logos. So that might be, you know, kind of like the breaking point for that one. Yeah. That's the biggest thing. I think on the positive end for JuJu's first of all, he's got that great inside-outside versatility the guy that ran out of this lot a lot in Pittsburgh, but he can also Play On Em outside and he's a learned how to get fast enough and have enough first off the line of scrimmage that he can win with body positioning and contested cat situations down the field. He's a lot like a player like in a job. For instance who doesn't necessarily create loads of Separation every single time he goes out there but he gets enough of Separation that once the balls thrown to him that he's able to adjust to it and box out at the cash money to make plays on the ball down the field and that's how we gets productive and that's how he gets his yards. That's how Juju plays I remember when the Patriots drafted n'keal Harry. I was like, okay best case scenario. He's like a wage type of player that can move inside or outside and use his size. That's what Juju is already been and usually I think it's only twenty-four years old because there's one of the younger rookies in the NFL when he came in four years ago. So we still have a very young player as well which can often be appealing to teams knowing that you're still getting a guy in his mid-twenties instead of somebody that's pushing Thirty like someone like a Marvin Jones for instance. It can be 30 31 may be appealing to a rebuilding team like JuJu's 24, you know, that's definitely a big difference. So I loved again the player fits like a glove here in New England, you know, he's a perfect fit for the Patriot system. It's just that the character and and kind of the make up of the player not sure necessarily that checks that New England boxes. You going to try to buy in and is he going to adhere to the Patriot Way? It's definitely a birth mark Corey Davis is another receiver that I wrote down that I think he's a lot like Juju in some senses in terms of his playing style. But he's a little quieter than Juju Smith, right and that sort of maybe more up their alley, he's around that fifteen sixteen million dollar range as well coming out of college people thought that he was going to be a super Dynamic route-runner. It actually turned out that he is more of a vertical route-runner on the outside that wins it contested situations as well. But it really works the vertical route tree and the sidelines extremely. Well. This is a guy that I kind of calm to like a better version of like a break for the Patriots come in here and play that X receiver position extremely. Well another guy that's relatively young twenty-five twenty-six years old looking at a second contract right now. I think that they do The type of player that they could go after that might surprise some people, you know, it's sort of like that Stephon Gilmore contract or a wake up one morning and met and they signed Corey Davis to this really nice contract at that age takes Everybody by surprise, but I don't think it should be as surprising as we might think cuz he's sort of a notch below those guys that are going to get really paid still kind of in the middle though and has had a thousand yard season on his resume. Yeah, he's again, so to go back what I said before when I talked about like the 15 million and ten million dollar guy and start building the offense like Corey Davis is the exact guy. I look at here. The guy who's going to give you something don't have he's going to be consistent. He's done it before he's an experienced NFL receiver like you plug him in and then you go go to Speedster on the other side, you know breshad perriman is the name that I'm always down to throw out there. Like now you're building an offense Corey Davis is a guy where he's going to give you the production. He's not a world-beater right people are lining up to play as Corey Davis and mad and even though he's a good player. But you add Corey Davis you add another good complimentary piece you bring in that tight end all of a sudden you're building an offense. You're putting it together. You're getting a guy you can rely on to produce game a game out. It's not a crapshoot of you know, is he going to have one catch on 10 targets? Whatever. Is he going to get a Target? Is he going to get open? That's what it was all year last year with everybody Corey Davis is going to put up numbers. He's dead. Produce he's not gonna be a superstar but he's going to help you move the football and that is just with the Patriots need right now. They need multiple players who can help them move the football through the air Corps Davis is one of them and he comes at a price where you could go out and get other guys that will help you move the football. Yeah, the Patriots and really missed for a long time. Now, I would say that true boundry receiver a guy that can win on the outside against man coverage and create enough of of Separation out there to work the sidelines or a comeback route or a post route or a dig route over the middle of the field from an outside alignment. They sort of had it with Josh bulb. But obviously, we know that situation I was its own thing. Right right good for him though. We're starting with the FCF by the way good for hope it gets back to the NFL at some point. If you're looking for what Corey Davis is rolin what his routes what it looked like in New England though, it's Josh Gordon's Rowland r a tree right a guy on the outside your own slant. So you're going to run digs. You're going to run post and vertical rats. That's what the Patriots also need a job. Top of big plays and explosiveness somebody that can be out and I really like your point about just that consistent. Okay, we know that we can pencil in Corey Davis at The X 4 weeks 1 through 16 and he's going to be a good player. Right? Like quite catch is 80 yards and touchdown you're going to get that week-in week-out again, you're not going to win MVP doing that but it's it's it's building. You gotta walk before you can run. Yeah, and I you know, if you go out and sign out and Robinson and try to get a 1500 yard receiver and then you don't add anything else defenses are just going to double and triple Allen Robinson. He's not can get fifteen hundred yards and you're stuck where you were last year wage you build that all up you go out and get talented pieces and then you try to figure out a way where cuz this is how the Patriots won four years outside of you know, the Randy Moss Sarah people talk about Brady never had any doubt. He never had any Supreme Talent when you put so much talent on the field and you stretch a defense so thin right cuz they're this here defense. It didn't have to worry about anybody outside of maybe Jacoby e So they could you know neutralize him more if you've got to worry about I'll use the early two thousand seems as an example cuz the Patriots are doing that throwback thing now on Twitter. So that's been in my head. If you got to worry about Troy Brown in this life David Patten and David Gibbons and and you've got Kevin Faulk in the backyard, right all of a sudden now you that's less you can do on each individual guy. It's it's a little bit less. But if if the club on each individual guy gets a little bit lighter overall that makes those players better. So if you put together a whole offense and not just one Superstar each one of those individual players are going to look above their level because none of them can get that Focus that you get right like two years ago when it was just Julian Edelman and that was it and Gronk was gone and brown was gone and Gordon was hurt. That's what happened seems just took it in on Edelman. He caught a hundred passes, but they couldn't really do anything because teams basically figured out if we hold that home into this we could do it without expending too many resources elsewhere and they can't beat us with anybody else. That's what you want to avoid. Just Allen Robinson. Just Kenny golladay. Even if it's just Juju cuz he might be in that 20 million dollar range, right? If you have just one of those guys teams will say. All right, we'll take Highway, you know, go beat us with damiere Byrd. Go beat us with this. Udfa go beat us with that particular areas name and I go beat us with n'keal. Harry is what teams will say and they said now know the Patriots how these ads they're constructed can't do that. So let's take Corey Davis and my last name on my list and let's pair him with Curtis Samuel and what now you have a job in Corey Davis is going to play the X it's going to play outside and you have a guy in Curtis Samuel has your Z off the line flanked or whatever you want to call it receiver that can move all around the formation. I actually found at 3 a.m. From way back when Curtis Samuel was in the draft. I didn't I didn't remember this until I was searching my handle with Curtis Samuel's name for a video and I read realized that Curtis several used to play running back, right and that was his name. No role in college and his initial position in college. So he's got vertical ability at 431 speed and he's got bulk carrying ability with a running back background. So he is your sort of Swiss. Army knives versatile guy off. The line is from a jet. You're moving around. The formation Davis is your outside guy with your one-on-one coverage winner. That's an offense right. Now. You're starting to have complimentary pieces Curtis Samuel right off it around nine million dollars for David speaking 16 to Corey Davis to give 9 to Curtis Samuel here at that 25 for two is what we talked about all the time right now. You have an offense now, you have two complimentary offensive weapons that are going to be difficult to match up against that are going to be able to create mismatches across the field because the Patriots are going to be able to move those guys around and be creative with them exactly. That's what we're looking for. And you know, I think then you add a tight end to that whether it's Henry and now you're kind of spending a lot of money, but you're gonna have a pretty good offense or it's trading for Zach ertz, maybe yep. I like Tyler eifert who I don't thinks being talked about enough. I think I've heard, you know, he's played on some irrelevant teams radios in Cincinnati. And then he was with Jacksonville last year. Just you know, they're black holes their football black holes not really seen him, but he can play is he Henry know is he hurts based on what we saw last year if that regression holds he might be about that level, you know, you added him and now you have you know, not an elite number one side end, but the number one tight end and then Jacoby Myers, you know now suddenly there's a role for him. Now if Edelman comes back even though he's hurt he can maybe play a reduced role a situational role where there's less of a workload you figure out you sure you're doing it running back cuz James White's free agent, like now, you're putting it offense together where again if you spend twenty million dollars on Hunter Henry and twenty million dollars on all sides effort. You have a ton of star fat power but especially without a quarterback like that's not those players are hard to defend and Hunter Henry and all Shaun Geoffrey. But if you just add Hunter Henry and all Sean Jeffries the last year's Patriots offense. Yep. That tough to defend their not that much better. I think with those guys like the reason why I love a guy like Samuel as I mentioned the versatility in the ball-carrying. That's the type of player that Josh McDaniels always figure out a way to use right and I don't think Curtis Samuel on his natural ability. If you just line them up in the slot or you line them up outside. He only had a 851 receiving yards for Carolina last year. He's not he's not going to you know, wow anybody right? He's not going to go off or fifteen hundred yards just off his own natural ability, but if you get him with an offensive coordinator like McDaniels who knows how to move guys around who knows how to create mismatches for guys who knows how to create foot races for players that are fast like Curtis Samuel then you can maybe get a little bit more production where I could see him having, you know over a thousand yards, maybe Eleven Hundred yards when you had rushing yards or behind the line of scrimmage type of plays and stuff like that. We're talking about something here with him, and I think that he's going to be very affordable is the other thing. Maybe you got the maximum out at like 10:11 million phone number. You're just to get the player because of all the kind of competition for my thing that there is going to be out there. But I think type of guy that's not going to break the bank but the Patriots are going to have a unique way of using in mind already and might be a little bit different than you know, Curtis Samuel you run left Corey Davis you run right and everybody get open right? That's not necessarily what parents are going to ask a Curtis Samuel. So she was exciting. Let's talk about these last two tight ends are up against it. So let's do them quickly here Johnny Smith. I already put out a video said, he's my one of my top targets for the Patriots another chestpiece versatile guy, you can still play in line and put his hand in the dirt and block you can still do anything really on the offensive side of the football. They play them at running back a little bit in Tennessee, which you know, Bill Belichick's like salivating over them, right possibility of playing a six foot three 260-pound tighten it running back has got Bill Belichick all giddy. So I didn't use the type of player that plays a lot of different roles in the Patriots offense, and yep. One guy that could do it all you can play why in line you can play in the slot. You can play sort of that age back off the line role as a tight end a fun player if he comes here to New England. Yeah. I just don't know off like he's not what they tend to look for in Titans, right? They want those bigger six foot five six foot six tight ends. The shorter tight ends. They get generally are much quicker. I wouldn't say Smith is exact a speed demon. He's like, he's unique he's kind of I can't compare him to somebody he's built like who the Patriots have had cuz again, they just don't go after that guy. Like, I don't think he'd be a bad player. But again, I look at a guy, I forgot who just kind of fits their more traditional mold. Would he be a bad player to break the mold for no certainly not I think he can play but he just doesn't seem to be he doesn't seem to have some of what they look forward to position namely in terms of size. Yeah decides thing is an issue, but I think the guy that you don't want to mention that he kinda is like is Aaron Hernandez and but he's not that fast he's not as quick or dead. Is he he's a really great player after the catch. I mean that's what he's won consistently up near the top of the league amongst tight ends in terms of yards after the catch per reception. He obviously doesn't have the table at the Target share that a guy like a Travis Kelce has for instance where you could really rack up raw react totals, but just in terms of creating with the ball in his hands, he's really really good in that department. I don't know if he's dead a quicker as kind of agile through his route brakes as a guy like Hernandez was but he is that player that you know you go and you watch her Nana's old tape, they really obviously they had drunk so that that's part of the package he was somebody that they were always constantly moving around. I remember them running him having him run routes as a running back out of the backfield at times, you know, that's the type of thing that you could do with John who is kind of harken back to some of those Aaron Hernandez little wrinkles in the Playbook. I think he definitely fits that archetype. But again, I think a lot of that in the Gronk one, I think a lot of that worked because they had Rob Gronkowski. Yeah, and you don't like Johnny Smith is number two, I think makes more sense for the role that he would play. You don't want your loan tight end in the formation lining up in the back and like I don't know that that makes a ton of sense. And the question is is if you compare ja Tu and let's say they actually believed in Devin asiasi as an inline option because obviously did block pretty well last year, right, but then like your your number one tight end is your second best friend. I feel like you're just getting into this really weird cuz they're they put a lot into the pay structure. Right and all of that and John is going to be your highest paid tight end. He's going to be your best tight end. We're going to have him essential filling a number to roll. I just think that there's there's boundaries there in terms of how they usually operate and I'll say cuz I say it every show I have to say it take a drink cuz I said they're going to be uncharacteristically aggressive. So maybe they break the mold this year, but I just think there's boundaries to how they usually operate to make jonnu Smith a tough sell a little bit outside of their traditional birth. Boxes that need to be ejected. That's right, but they love versatility. They really do versatility. They love guys that they can move around he can certainly do that. Last one here Gerald Everett. This is now back into like the affordable tight end mark. Gerald Everett and five million dollars presents a ton of value because with the Rams their offense is really run through their wide receivers in their backpacks. It's not really a very tight and heavy offense. It didn't have a ton of opportunity playing in that big bass scheme. You give them some more opportunity. He certainly got some receiving skill. You can watch it. You can see it when he does get the chances to gain any can block a little bit. I think that Gerald ever it's a nice guy to kind of look at it what he could become in a year or two in a different system that really, you know, kind of amplifies his skill-set at the tight end versus what I was doing with him where he was really a fourth or fifth option at best. Yeah, I I like eifert kind of like you said because of the upside. I think he's a guy that talked about checking boxes. He checks a ton of the boxes for the Patriots in terms of size in terms of athleticism. He just dodged necessarily have the resume given a ton of opportunities. Some of that was a system. But again, he's more there's a question with that. There's a risk with that. Is he a number one tight ends don't know for sure. And if you add him that's it, you're done adding tight ends. You sign him to a three-year deal your risk essentially really handcuffing yourself into not having a number one tight end. I wouldn't I don't think that's a bad move to sign him. But if it's in for three years versus again, I keep going back to I forgot like eifert for a year who has done it and granted he's back slid a little bit but he's a good Mentor to the guys who had a room all of that. You can do it for a year. Then reassess suddenly. There's rookie deals are a lot easier to get out of you can really rearrange things. That's what I'm looking. But if they signed Gerald Everett, that's a good signing that's ultimately wage. Signing it's there is an inherent, you know, I don't for me. It's either I feel like I've been on both sides this either want them to take all the risks or wanting to take no risks the risk, whatever it is. Like you don't know that he's a number once I tend I heard in theory has done it. He had it down your last year, but he was in Jacksonville. So does it count? You know the whole team had it down here if she was I for his in his injured off the time he's got a really extensive injury to his right? But I mean if we're talking about Hunter Henry then she died and he did play sixteen games last year. I think he's played sixteen games last couple of years. So Gerald everything the interesting thing about him is just that if you want to see what maybe you still have an Aussie Osteen Keen arrival, by the way, I purchase just one game in the last few years. Okay, so he's been more durable as of like if you'd like to see what you have in Asti Asti, and Keen still than ever. It is. Not a 12 and 1/2 million dollar player, right? So if you sink five million dollars into Gerald every and debit Asti Asti ends up out playing game. Then so be it sort of right and you're not going to come in multiple years of guaranteed money. I you wouldn't think to a guy like Gerald Everett anyway, so maybe it is an only one year thing, but it does buy you time and it is an upgrade over like the Matt lacosse is in the rain is those are the world where you do have a serviceable NFL tight end to put in that spot while you develop the second year guys. So maybe that's sort of more the theme of okay. So if he's only here for one year as sort of that stopgap and that's great if Asti Asti ends up being good or Akeem ends up being good, right? Yeah, that's a good thing for the Patriots and then you can move on to every whereas with Hunter Henry or Johnny Smith you sign those guys to ten plus Million Dollar Deals. You're you're stuck with those players for a couple of years. And those are your guys for a few years and you're essentially giving up on any home and team developing to number one tight ends ever. It is more of like a complimentary piece to that group than necessarily the star that's going to surpass that group automatically as soon as they sign so that's why we went there. Yep. Average affordable guy we didn't mention I didn't have time to get to Marvin Jones another player that I always have liked him for the Patriots. But that issue I have with Marvin Jones that he's going to be Thirty-One years old. I don't know if they're in the market for thirty-one-year-old wide receivers anymore. You know, you don't have Tom Brady where you're in a win-now Super Bowl win. Do you know maybe a few years ago Marvin Jones would have made a little bit more sense. You are a fake Tim Patrick Robert tonyan, you know, those are guys I think that we should mention at least before we sign off here, but that's a good list, you know, if you do need wide receivers or tight ends. There's been a lot of free agent classes that have a talent and it's it's it's a good year to need a pass-catcher it is but you never want to need a pass-catcher, but if there's a year to to do it, I'll let me throw one more thing cuz this is why you always has it in breaking news when it's pre-recorded. So this just now from off work Kyle Van Noy has played his last down for the Dolphins, but a release won't come today. The team will try to trade him first. So sorry if you listen the first twenty minutes of the show, I guess I mean, it doesn't matter. Don't know who's trading for his contract. I don't think that you know, maybe the Patriots are probably the most likely team to trade first contract to give up like a sixth-round pick right for his contract, but maybe that all becomes irrelevant. How funny would it be if the Patriots just did the exact same thing that they did to get Kyle Van Noy in the first place to Detroit a trade at 6, and they get back the player, you know from a conditional perspective or something. I forget exactly what the pics swap it was but it was a pic swap trade to get caught up in I believe in the first place. Maybe they can pull something off like that with my enemy but the contract comes into play then right then because then you're picking up the contract if you acquire it would be a trade-off. So my guess is that the Patriots are not going to make a move on Kyle Van Noy utilities outright released. I doubt that they would trade for that contract and they wouldn't pay that contract glass off-season, you know, if they were going to pay them they were like, you know, so I guess I I don't think any like who does trade for him who is out there right now in a year where everybody's cats strapped saying I want to pay a lot a line back or fourteen million dollars, right, you know a non talk to your linebackers in dog. He's not he's not changing what so right, you know, I still think he ultimately has free agency. Well that about wraps up this show. We were very excited to break down that breaking news out of cloud that knowledge that one. Do you have fun? That's all that matters that someone makes all the sense in the world. Hopefully we hit on at least one name that we talked about today that ends up in a patriot uniform in a couple of weeks Alex and I will be back up our live Q&A edition of the podcast on Thursday 3 p.m. Eastern always on Patriot's illness or Patriots YouTube channel of Patriots, press pass as well. So make sure to look out for that on Thursday. We can answer your questions and talk about more offensive targets for New England and then we'll be back on the pot again next Tuesday talking more patriots free agency. Maybe we'll hit on some of their own free agents cuz there are quite a few guys that are set to be free agents from the New England perspective 26 players from the Patriots roster last year granted not the best roster in the NFL by any means, but twenty-six players is still a big number so we'll talk about some of those guys. Next week as well Q&A on Thursday, but until then signing off for Alex bars. I'm having Lazar. Thanks for watching.

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AFC East breakdown, Gilmore, and that Marsh guy

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

38:47 min | 2 weeks ago

AFC East breakdown, Gilmore, and that Marsh guy

"Four years, he's been rigged. The dog Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. I'm right. So it's time for another edition of the award-winning Greg Bedard Patriots podcast. The cattle's, I don't know what award we've won, but I'm going to roll with it anyway. Greg for this episode this week, we're going to take a look at the AFC East, we might get into a little bit of Cassius Marsh. We'll see with the Buffalo Bills. When you look at this division a lot of people would say that the bills are the heavy favorites. Do you agree with that assessment? Greg Bedard Not necessarily, I mean, I don't think that's going to shock anybody. But look are the bills really talented? Yeah, they are. Did they deserved win? The AFC East last year? Yeah. But if the Patriots get better quarterback play last year does a really end up the same way? I mean remember in the first match-up between the two teams, Buffalo the Patriots had the bills on the ropes and then Cam Newton got the ball punched out. I mean you look at the stats from the game and I put this in my column a couple of weeks ago when I looked at the bills. I mean the stats were exactly the same on both sides and that's with you know, Josh Allen the greatest quarterback in the league apparently and the greatest show on Turf that he's surrounded by. And he had, this is New England's passing stats for 15 and 25 174 yards. Josh Allen stats were eleven of 1854 yards in an interception. So dead, That first match up very close the Patriots in My Mind should have won that game. Cam Newton, doesn't get the ball punched out. They probably go in for a touchdown they rip the heart out of the bills. The bills might not recover the rest of the season but we do know the Cam Newton. Got the ball punched out. We know who was never the same after that. Right? And look, the bills came in here. Just did the Patriots the second time around. I wouldn't put much stock in that. We all knew that the Patriots were finished at that point in time they played like it. So you know, off of last year, the big difference was the cash back play. Well it changed this year, I don't know. But in terms of we do know that the Patriots have really increased their talent from what they brought in the bills didn't really talk to a whole lot. You know, they basically they're big addition was Emmanuel Sanders, who replaced John Brown? Who they let go old friend home? I dint Jacob Hollister. Oh like you can't replace is Tyler kroft. What we going to say? No, I just wanted to say, hey, Jacob, how're you doing? How's it going? Hey, a guy wanted back at the trade deadline last year we got we got Mitch trubisky in Buffalo boss, who I'm sure Patriots fans alike, yes, Mitch, rub that Mojo. All over Josh Allen like get next to him and meetings you know, cough on him a little bit, like, giving whatever you have passed off the Josh Allen cuz that's what we need. And look, they took two Edge rushers in the first couple of rounds. Gregory Russo and Carlos. I think his nickname, it's like off and bathroom. But outside of that they didn't really add a whole lot now. Looked, they need to add a whole lot know. And normally when you don't add much in the offseason, that's really, really good news. But I have some questions about this Bills team starting with their offensive line. I'm not sure how good they are. They couldn't stop the run at all last year and basically they're dead. Their way to solve that was to welcome back star lotulelei from covid-19 doubt and he's a good player when he's right, but he's not that good that. I mean, they were they were terrible to run last year which which helped the Patriots. And then I do think that they're week at cornerback outside of Navy has white. So I I think that the bills are ripe for the taking for the right team. I think the Patriots have the formula to take them down. And look, let's be honest, the big X Factor is does Josh Allen revert to the mean, I mean, because what he did last year is completely out of character to his high school college and first couple of years in the NFL right? Did he took the light go on and that's who he is. And he's in these great cuz there's no no question that he's uber-talented and could do everything at the quarterback position that you want or off. Was he sort of inflated by not having fans in the stands and things like that. You know, was, was that sort of the aberration. And so, you know, you put all those things together, Nick off, I think. And I'm not just, I'm not a Patriots Homer. Everybody knows that. And I wouldn't just be saying this. I do think that the Patriots, if they get good quarterback play, I think that they, they could contend with the bills all season long and I think that the AFC East could be really tight. I think the bills are the favourites, they've got the best quarterback and and as we know when you look across the NFL, usually if you have the best quarterback in the division that gives you the best chance to win. So I would say they're the favorites. I don't like the word heavy. I don't know if they're significant. Favorites, heavy favorites, huge favorites. I would say their favorites. I think they can be better defensively. Milano had some injury issues last year he should help if he's out there for all Seventeen. Their offensive line has been a somewhat inconsistent. If you look at Pro Football Focus they have them in the top half. They've got him at like thirteen or fourteen as far as rankings go for that offensive line. So I do think they have some room to grow up front page. They're not Flawless and there is opportunity Greg as you point out. The biggest thing to me is Josh Allen and Brian table, will they suffer some kind of regression if you look in past years. In quarterbacks have historic years for their own careers right when they have their career best seasons and all of that. It's very difficult to follow up on that season with another incredible impeccable season. So I would expect Alan and able to both take a slight step back. I'm not saying us huge set step back, significant step back but I do think that Alan will not be as good as he was a year ago. I do think the league will adjust to him, he will have to adjust to those adjustments. So if you expect at least a slight regression from the offense, that means I pointed out. You need more from the defense and you need more from other aspects of your football team. This run game last year was incredibly inconsistent. They need to run the football every single week. They need to be consistent in the backfield. They need their defense to be consistent as you pointed out. They need their defense to be consistent, especially against the run. And when you look at that schedule, I know I tugged. On this a little bit on the last podcast. But if you look at that schedule for the bills, it's pretty difficult through the beginning of the schedule. And then from, you know, November right? Before Thanksgiving too late, December. They have a very, very difficult road so do I think they're the favorites? Yes I do. Do I think they are a significant favorite? A gigantic Gap from them to the rest of the vision? I think some of that has been over, you know, talked about and I think we over rate them just a little bit. I think they're I think they're good. I think they could be arguably the third or fourth best team in the AFC this year long, but they need pretty much everything to go. Right? For that to happen. When you look at the rest of this division, Let's look at Miami, right? Because I think that next team New England fans are looking at Buffalo first, Miami. Second, the Jets. Third, that's where your priorities lie within this division. So let's look at Miami. Let's look at some of the strengths and some of the weaknesses Greg that you see from that football team last year, believe they won ten games. They did not get into the playoffs. Yep. Which is very difficult to do in a sixteen game schedule. Usually, when you win 10 games, you got a great shot, they missed out but they did win 10 games. What do you make of the Dolphins? Heading into twenty Twenty-One, you gotta start with two a month and look. Now he's on an island. I mean, at least last year they had Ryan Fitzpatrick around who you know, they did sort of engage. He started the year then they put two and two a struggled and Fitzpatrick got in the game and then suddenly with the gate with the season on the line. In the season finale against Buffalo, basically winner. Winner done And Fitzpatrick tested positive for Coben. He was not available into a stunk up the joint. I mean they got they got killed by the bills. Get a meaningless game for the bills. Yep. And to a place like three interceptions and, you know, he was, he was awful in the game. And if it's Patrick was available to a would have been pulled probably in the first quarter, and now there's no net loss. Kobe burset, was brought in as the back up. But, you know, he's not really a threat to win a whole lot of games, if it doesn't work out with two is so they, you know, they're putting all their chips onto a home and I think that that might be a little bit of trouble. Now, look, he's going to have a lot to throw to. He's got DeVante Parker, get sick. He's a good tight end. They brought in will Fuller and drafted Jaylen waddle. So there is Talent there depends on how much you believe in will Fuller. I don't believe in will Fuller very much. Just his hamstring is bound to pop at some point and he'll be down for three or four games. He's all about Suspended per week. One for Peds. He has not played more than 11 games since his rookie season. That's a lot to bet on that guy. I will say ninja about the Dolphins. I think their defense is excellent. Even with Josh Boyer as the defensive coordinator there, who I'm not, the biggest fan of that, there's a lot of Talent on that defense on all three levels. They are a little bit leaky against the run and I think the Patriots stealing Davon godchaux from them was key and you know, might weaken them a little bit. But the offensive line in basically we're going to say it for almost all three of these other teams. And this is where I think the Patriots have a big Advantage. I think that they, if you look at all the teams in the division and you stacked them all up, you would say the Patriots are far and above the best offensive line. And now with all the, all the changes they made in the offseason. Yep. Might be the best up front on the defensive line and if you believe in that and I do, that's a good sign for the Patriots cuz I don't think the Dolphins offensive line is very good. I don't think the the Jets offensive line is not that good, even with becton and Elijah Vera Tucker, who they drafted on the left side. I think there's a lot of holes there. I think the Dolphins have a lot of holes there. And here's the other thing off and it's an X Factor Nick when it comes to the Dolphins. You now have when it comes to like Kyle Van Noy and Ted Karras. And there might be a couple of other guys who went down the coach Flores down there in Miami and especially when you're Kyle Van Noy oi, let's let's be honest, he got screwed over by the Dolphins and Flores took him to a contract and after one year and he did exactly what he did here down there and they basically cut his ass. So he's got a lot of motivation and you know how much Kyle Van Noy talks and how he's going to be in the ear of all those guys all week when it's Dolphins week him and and I know Ted Karras did not need to his Dolphins experience as well. So I think the Patriots have a little bit something for the Dolphins personally this year and I think when you combine that I like the I like the Patriots to finish ahead of friends this year. I mean that and also the two of factor look, the dolphins dolphins are good solid team and they'll win their share games. But I think there are issues with the quarterback with the offensive line, their run defense, plus the intangibles. I like the, I like the Patriots over the Dolphins. This year, the strength of this team to me for Miami's the secondary. They've got a job down there. They've got to stud Corners, Byron Jones, xavien Howard out there on the outside. They drafted Jevon Holland. In the second round, hill play safety. They have a lot of talent in Secondary, as you mentioned, they have talent really at all three levels on the defense, but it really does begin and end with two of in what I would say about this team is they're banking on their youth to make big leaps first with two. I hate how they handled him last year Cass ended, they sat him for the first several games. You had Ryan Fitzpatrick playing, literally some of the best football he played. If you look at statistically, he was playing some of the best football he had ever played in his NFL career. If not the best football over about four or five weeks, and at that point, they decide to sit him. So they they bench Fitzpatrick who was playing great, they throw to it in and listen, if you're going to make that move then you stand by the move and you keep to walk in. You have to live and die by to her. Once you make that move to him. He's a top-five pick. He's your future at quarterback. You can't be pulling him in and out of games and they did it twice wage. Benched him twice. And as you mentioned that last game of the year was a debacle now in this year and there are questions to me. Write some of the team on the season was over. They were talking to the media Armando salguero down there in Miami. There were several players. They of course, went anonymously. But there were several players talking about to a and how he didn't look good at practice and they had questions about him, etc. Etc. And then you bring in all of this Talent, which is good for him. But the offensive coordinator situation. You and I have talked about this Brian Flores changes. Oh, Sees like you change his underwear. He doesn't know what he wants to do on that side of the football first. It was O'Shea. Then it was gaily. Now, they have not one, but two offensive coordinators, cuz I guess if you can't get along with one guy tried to and maybe one of them will work out, I don't know who's calling the plays. So what's happening here is there's a lot of new right. 4 to 2 is going to learn a new playbook birth. It's been said by some of the Dolphins players on offense that this is a completely different system than what they ran last year. So this will be too, as third offense, in three years with a rookie play-caller with a bunch of new guys that he hasn't played with a ton. Right. I mean, obviously, he's got the college experience with bottle but you're bringing Fuller. I don't know about their run game. I don't know if Myles Gaskin is the guy to sit here and Rave about. And most of all, when you talk about the offensive line Greg, which you hit on, not much to add other than this. They brought in three young guys last year, they weren't good. The offensive line, struggled mightily, wage. They need pretty much all of their young offensive lineman. To take a big step. If they get a big step collectively, the offensive line has a chance, but your banking on a lot of Youth upfront and your banking on to a and if to, it doesn't say, well, this year, get ready? If the Sean Watson's back in a league? If Aaron Rodgers, still wants out, if Russell Wilson's having issues with Petey Carol, as he's chomping, his gum on the sidelines, get wrong because I think Miami might be looking for a quarterback. If two is not good this year. So a lot of questions about the Dolphins, I agree with you. I like New England better than Miami right now. Let's wrap it up in the divorce with the Jets. What say you about Robert Saleh and that organization right now? As we head into the season? Yeah, I think that when you talk about the Jets, they they may have had a mini Patriots, off-season plan where they added a lot and free agency. I think they spent the fourth-most and guaranteed money and look they got talent Carl Lawson from the Bengals game. Pensive and wide receiver. Corey Davis who a lot of Patriots fans wanted. I'll just tell you this right now. The Patriots has zero interest in Corey Davis. They just I can't give you specifics but I you know that they he was not on their list and that's why they went straight for a Galore and Kendrick born and just passed over Corey, David Corey Davis was out there for a long time. They could have signed, and they passed on Shaq Rankin's. The nose tackle from the Saints, good player, when he's healthy Gerard. Davis, the linebacker from the Lions Vinny Curry Lamarcus Joyner. Look I we can make the same criticisms that I'm about to make about the Jets and their free-agent class about the Patriots because the Patriots their signings weren't exactly high on production which is which is what you're trying to do. You're trying to get guys getting into their Prime so the the price tag isn't that high losses? Never really been a full-time Player dead. And see. Is he ready for that? Corey Davis. There are a lot of questions around the league on whether he can be like a number one. Rankings is hurt all the time talented. But her dog. I'm Davis undersized. Good football player. I love Vinny Curry. I think he's the oldest guy now on the Jets, but he only signed for like, a million something. And I think he's, I think he's going to be a really good signing for him, Marcus Joyner stinks. No matter where you put them in the secondary, then the teams he's have, tried cornerback safety, whatever. He's just not, he's he he does not live up to his reputation. So you know, I start there and and how are they going to fit those puzzle pieces? And then you go into, I think they're forced for draft picks when you talk about Zach, Wilson, Elijah, Veritas, Elijah more the slot receiver, who? I think a lot of the Patriots draft, Nick community probably including you. Nick really wanted the Patriots to get in the second round. Apparently he's been unbelievable. Will in the offseason practices and you know, running back Michael Carter, who's a good player? They brought in a lot of talent and they have a new coach and Robert Saleh wage. The word on the street is that he is going to play the kids all over the place. That could I think that means a step back for them this year. I mean, I don't know how you can go back from Two and fourteen, but moved somewhere in the same area. And so I think they've had a lot of changes. One thing you could definitely say about the Jets and you could say it about all the teams in this division, really out of the Patriots is they have a ton of talent, a wide receiver that they might even be looking to get rid of some Zion know. You know they had Denzel Mims and Jamison Crowder last year, but Mims was running with the second-team in practices. They sign Keelan Cole. They have Elijah more. They have a lot of stuff for exact Wilson throw too, but like I mentioned earlier, Is Zach Wilson, going to be upright to find these guys cuz I do think they're going to have a good left side of the line Morgan Moses who they signed as a street freedom from from Washington p. A decent player. And he's certainly an upgrade over George Fant that they had there last year, but I still don't think they're all that good there and center and Right Guard are still average-at-best. So I think that the Jets slash have some issues on the offensive line just like everybody else. Outside of the Patriots. In this division, they've added a lot of talent, but I just think this is this is going to be a rebuilding year and it's really, I think if you're the Jets and you're Robert Saleh, you're just trying to get guys experienced this year. Put them in position to where pays off next year or the year after that, because I, I have a hard time seeing it all come together near one. Yeah, the way I see. It is listed. The Jets organization, the whole Mike maccagnan, Adam gase disaster. They're still recovering from that, the best news for jets fan club, That it does seem like Joe Douglas has a plan, which is nice and he has infused this roster with some Talent. The question was Zach Wilson is Kenny handle the pressure. Can you handle the Tight Windows? May be why you? It was an offense that you know, gave him time. He wasn't really dealing with getting hit. The question is with that offensive line. As you mentioned there are some holes, will they be able to protect civil enough for him? And if not does, he turn into a pumpkin during his rookie season? But I like a lot of what they did. I think Douglas brought in some talented guys. I don't know if it's going to just pull it together in year. One like Tada, it's unbelievable. We just put it all together and you know we mixed some young and old and it was a perfect combination. I also always wonder about a rookie head coach. I know, I understand I have heard all the talk about Robert. Saleh people are in love with them because he jumps up and down on the sidelines and every single game that San Francisco was on, they would pan to him and he he got more FAQ Retirement Kyle Shanahan at times. I understand the love for Robert Saleh and I get Richard Sherman and guys like that speaking up for their coach, he could end up being great or he could be a complete dud. None of us know how many guys who are star coordinators in the next guy to take over. End up being a head coach and they can't handle it. May be solid can handle it. I don't think we know that until we see it, so I'm not going to sit here and say they made a tremendous higher in Robert Saleh. We don't know. So we'll see how that works out. There are also very young and I think their secondary sucks so wage. If they can, you know, if they can. I mean I'll give you know, Marcus Mays. Okay. But you know when you look at the rest I think that secondary needs help. I don't think they're there yet. Wage would say the Jets fans and I know a few guys who who love the Jets and they know this, I think this is not the year, it's the beginning of the plan. Maybe next year you're looking at, you know, 895 Men's and then maybe a pop in 2023 this season, I could see them when five games I could see them when seven games somewhere in that area, but they're just not ready yet. So there you go, the the wage. I think Greg and I agree on pretty much everything. The Buffalo Bills are the favorites, but they're probably not as big of a favorite as some of the national media will tell you they are. I think the Patriots took the second best team on paper right now, in this Division, I think the Dolphins are right behind them, and the Jets are bringing up the rear. We'll see how it all plays out, you know? This might change as we get rid of kick off the football and September, we'll see how the next few weeks play out, but I think that's, you know, kind of the, the solid grouping in the only issue that some may have is flip-flopping New England in Miami. Maybe some people believe Miami is better than New England. I don't, let's talk about how the Patriots and Stephon. Gilmore will just touch on this for a couple of minutes log. Spoke with Joseph Anderson over the weekend, pretty much the gist. He wants to get paid. He believes he deserves to get paid one of the things that jumped out at me, as far as the quote to Josie name was. You know, are you going to be ready for camp and he said something along the lines of, if I need to be. Yeah. You know, how to start the discussion that you and I touched on a little bit odd, but really didn't dive deep into, you know, is he going to be out there for Camp? Is he going to show the Patriots that he's healthy? Or does he sit back and say, no, I'm going to wait. I'm making seven million on the base are so right now, you guys went and spent hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency, I deserve a pay raise and I'm not going to risk further injury or doing something to my body until you show me the proper quote, unquote respect, what do you make of the comments to Josina Anderson Greg? And are we pretty much just at a stalemate right now for the next few months? What Gilmore? Sure, seems like it. I mean, I I don't think that I don't think much has changed with this comments and I I think that look, I think Stefan was just being honest. And yeah, he thinks he has a certain worth. I would say under normal circumstances that would probably align with the Patriots, especially considering they haven't done anything at the cornerback position draft free and she, you know, really nothing. And but and I just don't think that that gets resolved that, you know, because of the injury situation and how Stefan's play declined a little bit last year, I I don't see how that resolves itself without Stefan coming to camp, taking his physical taking part getting off of pop and who knows when that might happen? I mean I think in all likelihood he reports he doesn't pass his physical because of his leg and he's on p, u p Reserve. P u p until he does with his physical, which I think will happen. Probably closer to the season. And look, I'm just guessing, I'm not telling you that I know. And I don't see how the Patriots, give him a huge race now, and I think you've brought it up. Nick, could they find some situation where it's incentive-based, where they could look stuff on? We want you to get your money. We're happy to pay you. But we can't, you can't expect us to go on a leap in a prayer where we haven't even seen you on a practice field. So here's what we're going to do, we're going, we're going to give you you know, per game, whatever incentives, whatever. And if if you hit it, if we hit it, then you're like 15 million dollars for the season, right? You know, a fair and then then we we part ways or we discuss a longer-term deal during the season, or after the season, but I just don't see how the Patriots unless they're very, very generous. That they all of a sudden Pony up and they say, oh yeah sure Stefan, you know that list of quarterbacks that you tweeted about and we're complaining about we're going to boot you boost you up there into the top five took off of a torn quad. I just don't see how that happens. And so I think this goes for a while, I think that stuff on is going to have to report. He's going to, he's going to have to show that he's home. The, I think they do find some common ground that smart for both sides. Bill Moore's, agents, very smart. We know that Gilmore's very What's the word I would use business? He has a lot of business savvy when it comes to his contract. He knows his worth, he's not going to cheap out and and so I thought you think this gets resolved later in training camp but I do think it gets resolved. I think he's happy. I think he plays well here and I think they go from their home. Yeah I mean I think he does get back I just don't see them working out a trade so late. I don't think he wants to be dealt. He said that to Josina I don't think they want to deal him. I think something gets done. The one purchasing point is that they don't have the Tom Brady security blanket anymore. And what I mean by that is you know, in past years you might be able to apply a little bit of pressure to a player in this situation and say hey look you know Tom a little less he's the best player in the game. You know how about you taking a little bit less Patriots? Don't really have that angle to work off of right now. So Gilmore The only thing I'll say is every player has the right to believe they're worth, they're worth. It's tough to argue that, he's not worth more money than seven million dollars. I think all of us would have him as a top-five cornerback is not the best quarterback in the league. He's, you know, I would have him the top three at least so he certainly deserves the more money but the Patriots, you know, they kind of have the leverage cuz he took the 1-year dlf so he can't do much of anything but say I'm going to sit out and if you sit out, I don't know how that helps you, or you going to walk it in next season being Thirty-One years old, not playing a full year after a quad injury and surgery. So he knows he's going to eventually, get on the field, the Patriots know, they eventually have to have him on the field that tells me, it'll get done. The only thing I would say, other than that, before we move on wage, is that I do wish the Patriots invested in a cornerback in the draft. Because I think that would have given them a little bit more leverage and you would have felt a little bit better about this. Secondary depth McCourty, walks wage. JC Jackson's been good but how much of that is Gilmore helping him in jail and Mills? We've talked about him. I don't think he's the answer at corner so I would have loved to see the Patriots. Invest in Iraq, back in the draft. They didn't, listen, that's, that's me, picking, you know, it's a little nitpick. I thought there often riffic overall but I would have liked to see something done. Do we care about? Cassius Marsh what he said? Greg, I don't understand why this, why some Patriots fans get all riled up about Cassius Marsh and how he came here and he did not have any fun and he didn't get his lunch. Somebody should have gotten him. Somebody should have gotten him a little patriots, like lunch pail and filled it up every day. You wanted his chicken sandwich and fries with honey mustard on the side. He wanted his kids meal for lunch that and and I was waiting for him to say like he didn't get his nap time in the morning. Light, you know, did he needed to hit? Didn't need this knapsack wage. And it's like, my my my son when he left my wife, a note that said when he was in preschool, he said Mommy member my rest towel and I am I think the Cassius Marsh need to just you needed a few more naps. He needed a few more lunch time. Did he want a book club too? While he was here? Like look, it's Cassius Marsh is on his like, a Thursday NFL team. We all know his deal. Plenty of people have played here and liked it. Is it hard? Yes. Is it, are they? Do they win? Because it's hard. Yes, boss. And so if it's for it's just like any other job, you some people fit certain places and some people don't and Cassius Marsh does not fit half a year. It was a disaster the whole time. He, he was a terrible player. I can't believe they actually gave up something for him and trade with Seattle and just just ignore wage. He's a big baby who couldn't hack it here. Plenty of other players have be happy with the guys who have stuck around a long time. And there's a lot of those players who continually re-upped with the Patriots, there's a reason why Cassius Marsh keeps talking about the Patriots. It's because Cassius Marsh knows that'll get himself in the headlines and and help have something to say and maybe somebody will want to talk to him. It's Cassius Marsh am moving on. Boston Sports channel. I'm member question of the day, check them out. Over at bsj thirty, nine ninety-nine, anual plan top-notch, analysis of all the Boston Pro Sports, your patch junkie. Of course, this means you get access to a ton of video analysis that the door does on the coaches film and direct access to him and weekly chats. Let's go to the crazy world of Troy Brown. So this wasn't really a question. It was more of a statement but I figured it was a good talking point, so that is true. That is true. It is a statement, not necessarily a question and I do wonder if this person is related to Dolton Keen, but here here's wage. The crazy world of Troy Brown had to say, Kean is a big twitch tight end. He's a big Edelman. Greg, it's up to McDaniel. You work him in. That's what the statement says. It's up to McDaniels, took him in loved his college. Tape kid, played hard and soft hate to lose that. We're always too impatient with rookies. Let's see how this plays out. I still have confidence in Dalton, so a little background on this. This came off of my Sunday column where I did questions on five key Patriots heading into twenty Twenty-One, so we sort of lingering questions and if people want to, you know, make sure they're bsj memberships are up-to-date and want to read this. So, the other questions were, can I say a win? Be effective without Joe to knee, which I think is a legit question. Cuz I think that when really benefited from Tunis and now he's going to have, you know, Michael when you who you know, didn't hasn't really played there in, the NFL is JC Jackson really had a dog Elite status, which I think some people take for granted, which I'm not really sure about. Well Damien Harris. Be a playmaker I think is legit question. I think we I know you're the charter member of the Damien Harris. And and I'm I'm right there with you. But you know, Willy stay on the field. And will he do that? And also another question was, how does Kyle Duggar get enough playing time? Cuz I think that kid needs to play with it better, but would fill ups and McCourty, and Jalen Mills, you know, I just worry about, I worry a little bit about Kyle Duggar sort of being forgotten And just pack is a sub-package linebacker slash safety, right? And the other question I had was what style of full back to the Patriots. Want. And what does that mean for adult and keen? And not so, not to get all into it. But basically last year, the Patriots started with the idea of, okay, James devlin's gone. We were moving away from the sled. Hammer only fullback and we want to bring in more athletic ability, more, Mitch mismatch stuff in the passing game, sort of like the 49ers have done that Kyle use check and the bigger question is, does Josh McDaniels in the Patriots? Do they still want to do that? Because Dan Vitality is gone. He was southbound free agency to come over and be that athletic fullback. He opted out never played. I think he retired I think he might have retired this offseason I think that. Yeah and that's so that leaves you with Jakob Johnson who we all love, who know, you know, we all know, he hits the whole heart and blows people up and I love I love the guy and I think there's a value that I think that the Patriots always like that but Considering where they are this year with Titans. You still have Devin asiasi, you might have Matt lacosse for how long. When when it comes to configuring a roster. Can you just call this Dalton Keen? Still have a place on this roster? I entered when they drafted him. He did. But has the has the math changed because of what they want to do at fullback and I think it's a liquid, your question. And, you know, so the Troy Brown, they're crazy world of Troy Brown. My my question and commentary about that. Wasn't about dog. I think he has the potential to be good player. I also like this College film. I think that he has a chance to be sort of like a modern-day crash. Jim Jensen, who was one of my favorite dolphins, growing up dead but my question was more about have the have the Patriots out of necessity? Change the, the direction of their offense and does Dalton Keen still fit into that. And I think it's, I think it's a legit question. And I think it's going to be a question that goes on all the way through training came down to Final Cut Downs, where the Patriots say, they look at the math and they're just like, all right, well how many wide receivers are we taking more importantly, how many tight ends slash full box? Are we taking? I mean, if if you're going Johnny Smith, founder Henry and say, Devin asiasi because I think what we saw in the off-season practices LED you to believe, okay, there might be something there. So those three Place Johnson that's for Dalton Keene is going to be a v, like really does he do enough, is he going to do enough? Is he going to be good enough to get on the field in that Kyle, you check roll this year back to earn a roster spot. I just have a lot of questions about that. So I thought it was a legitimate question. I'm not saying I had the answers, but I think I think his roster spot is definitely up for grabs wage on. What happens with injuries direction of the offense, once we get the camp. Yeah, I wouldn't call him a big Adelman but I like, I like him. You like him. This Podcast Thursday, we are both fans of Dalton Keen. We think he can fit as an h-back, if the patriots feel like they have a spot for him, I think he could add to this team. But as you said, it's a numbers game. And when you bring in the title, wage brought in the receivers, they brought in, it gets a little tougher to make the team. That's just kind of the nature of the game. I hope they hold onto him, I hope they find a way because as the crazy world of Troy birth, John pointed out. I think this is true. A lot of people get impatient with rookies and I think looking back at last year with the cove at situation and all of that, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to all the rookies from last year. I am, that's just how it is. And if they stink this year then we can reevaluate and talk about it. But due to the circumstances of No rookie Camp, no minicamp, no training camp. No preseason games, no joint practices and getting plopped into a season Keen was hurt as well. Last year, which is another question because again, at the beginning of Camp season here, he was a little banged up. Again, can you get on the field? Can he stay healthy back? If he goes through the whole pre-season banged-up, I don't think he's going to make the team, but we both liked him. He could find a spot. We hope he finds a spot because that means the Patriots. Have a specific role for him. Will they? We don't know the graveyard Patriots podcast, with Nick cattles wrapping it up. We gave you a look at the AFC East, we talked about Stephon Gilmore. We didn't talk much about Thankfully, Cassius Marsh and there's you're an adult and gained a lot of information for you. Everybody enjoy the rest of your week. Until next time, we'll see you.

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PhinSLIDERS | Instant reaction to Dolphins' decision to move on from Kyle Van Noy

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PhinSLIDERS | Instant reaction to Dolphins' decision to move on from Kyle Van Noy

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen off. Is the gift that keeps on giving welcoming insider radio my name. Is jake mendel. Joining the is josh outs. And joshua the offseason you know as people who create content about the ball. We expect this to be the slow period. Obviously we're not recording as much in terms of preparing for free agency that still. Oh my god that's only two weeks away but news broke today. Espn's cameron wolfe is reporting that in a move that nobody was expecting. Kyle venoy might be on the chopping block from the miami dolphins as the two sides. Continue to talk it out and see if they can reach a deal. Just sent me this via twitter. Dm what what went through your mind. When he first kind of rent it for me jake and i think what's most shocking is. We know that he has familiarity with brian floors. No is brought here to you. Know run this defense. In a sense we talked about in previous podcast. Every week there was one captain named on this roster and it was called in noise so when you think about that when you think about how much he meant to this defense it is a little bit of a surprise but nine point seven five million in cap space free up. We'll talk about you. Know what this means for some of those young players who you have to be excited about you know you had to say about in japan kinkel because he looked like a whole play you know. He took that leap in from year. One to year two and coaches raved about jerome baker guy who was a little bit hesitant to to crown him like some fans but he came on so it means it means a lot of good things for these young guys but it would definitely hurt to this defense. The veteran guy again. That has all this familiarity with this defense. Brian floors right hand. It seems to cut him now. It means the dolphins a free up space to do something. And i don't know what that means jake the first obviously we pulled together a little bit of research before recording. This show. the first article. I saw was a pro football talk story about when the dolphins signed van noy and it was basically was praising the dolphins about how their vision how how they're not making the mike wallis the denounce other beach signings anymore. That this is the right idea. This is the right direction. The dolphins are going in and your we. Are you later talking about a cap casualty. And i think this is a really important concept because whether we're talking about the dolphins signing aaron jones whether we're talking about the dolphins traded for deshaun watson. There's this idea out there that that the cap is this very solid thing that cannot really be maneuvered but but that can be further from the truth. 'cause i looked up this calvin contract fifty one million dollars over four years. Fifteen million guaranteed at signing and thirty million dollars total guaranteed. I smashed the panic button. When i first read that josh. Also go no. We're going to go back into cap. Heller feel good year. You know i. I went straight to the panic. By and i know i'm not one to usually do that. But that's what i did. And then then i look at this this deal. The cabinet preventative. Next year is right around. Fourteen million dollars keep in mind. We don't want to sign. Aaron jones for twelve million dollars. Keep that in mind But that number drops if the dolphins were cut knowing the dead cat hit is four million dollars which the last couple of years looking at the dolphins dead cap. It doesn't really seem like too much. And then next year they were to be dropped. A two point seven million and then one point three million dead cap in two thousand twenty three. So what i thought would be a panic. Move by the dolphins trying to rip cast mates. I don't wanna say it makes sense to cut van noy but you kind of understand the vision. The dolphins are looking for and it brings up. I think one big question is why right now. You know. I just kind of said. We're two weeks away from the start of free agency. Is this possible trade bait. Is this just an idea of. Hey our this is our way of going to the public and telling van noy like. Can we restructure the steel. You got fifteen million guaranteed at signing You really the fourteen million dollars this year seems a little crazy and we kind of want to renegotiate that but but at the end of the day you're one hundred percent right in the sense of thinking of a captain thinking as leader on the field of the defense he. He filled all the all the holes for the dolphins and obviously he was dealing with injuries all the way to the end of the year. I believe it was hip. You had to wonder. Maybe there's still something going on there. I really hope not. And i am really nothing to kind of lead me down that pathway but these are the kind of things you start to ask yourself why now right there know where a month late in the draft. Two weeks from free agency while at the dolphins bake a suggestion or rumor like this right now. Yeah and you know. A lot of people speculated. It's all because of the shawn watson right. I mean that's going to be the talk of the town and they'll somehow spin it that way but To me know this kind of goes back to a point that we send on previous podcast and it's about being a fan of the dolphins. You know i love calvin or did for this team. We can see here rave about what he means as far as leader on that defense but at the end of the day you know the dolphins are going to be our favorite team. It's going to be the miami dolphins with or without calvin noise so it's next man up mentality. We know andrew van ginkel again. We talked about his Breakout two thousand twenty season at forty eight total tackles five and a half sacks and then we mentioned drone baker to a guy who again dolphin fans i believe crown a little bit early but back to back one hundred plus tackle seasons yet seven sacks coming off the edge. I think he did a little bit more than you know. Even dolphin fans who love jerome thought he could do so. It's players like that. And then even getting vince beagle back this year. That can make a move like this potentially could make a move like this happen and it just goes to how well the dolphins are run. Now you know we sat here. We talked about what you read off that contract. I mean i. I don't sit here and study a salary cap. But when i was listening to it i'm like oh damn you're right right back in the same situation but you. The dolphins always sign these big names. You know maybe they give out these big contracts but they have a way out of it. Seen it here. But i don't know what it means. Could it be that. Aaron jones sign it could it be a godwin potentially if he hits the open market you know that curtis samuel juju. We'll see soon enough. I mean two weeks away like you said it's just crazy how quick you know. We went from football now. Okay we gotta get gotta get into free agency moated then draft mode because it's right around the corner with vinoy was healthy. I i really. You always sold on the football field. He was always around the play. I think i won that. Sixty barely dot an interception that exhibiting howard would have gotten if he wasn't there but he always seemed very comfortable in that zone defense. Y'all he'd never seen loss and yes. The same is true for baker. But when i look at what will they did. It was just consistency right. You never were worried that oh he's alone on the island he's doing you know you never thought that. He was very helpless out there like we felt cough car. Jimmy wilson a little while back in the day. Fourteen games played Six passes defended last year by van. Noy to force fumble six sacks at six hundred. Surprise me a little bit when i looked up the number because i didn't think he was back there too too much and i guess josh the way to look at this especially when you bring up. Names like vince biegel. Who could most certainly resigned. Obviously he was strong last year. He got the opportunities and took advantage of it. You look at also be cut right after What didn't you like a picture of the shawn watson in dolphins jersey or something so he could already be on his way out the tweet from cameron wolfe mentions van. Ginkel someone who's getting a more of a run which is certainly understandable. He made a lot of big plays last year. And and those are the type of then. Ginkel i guess. I guess we're going to start selling vans around here But they play in different ways. I think the explosive like high risk high reward. I'm not saying he gets be all the time. But you know you think about his big plays the blocked punts. It's the fumble. Recovery is going eighty yards for a touchdown revenge and it was just more about his consistency on the field right. And maybe it's in the running game or the dolphins thought he The they need a little bit of an upgrade and it. Just it's an interesting thing because when you look at that defense josh i think linebacker group was probably the weakest unit. And i remember sitting here. the recording episode of the insider. Asking you know. How do the dolphins improved the signed becker group. Because you know you mentioned it. Drone bakers guy. Who does this job. Well he's always there you know. People might look at baker. Someone who gets yet one hundred tackles but he's always chasing guys. Well that's kind of the scheme. The dolphins play where we're gonna give you those four or five yards on first and second down and then force you to kind of go a little longer. I'm third down. The fact that drone baker wasn't giving up a lot of broken tangles is more encouraging than the fact that all you know chasing guys around it was always you know stopping before. The first on microsoft's important. So josh who do you think would be the strongest guy in this linebacker with some like bad kinkel goes. You have your own baker. Who's about to be a free agent van ginkel rookie. Deal vince beagle. They decide to resign him. I don't know how good the market's going to be for him especially coming up. That injury in the preseason last year where where do you start you draft someone you just go out and sign another guy because going out and signing guy really doesn't seem like progress to me. That's the my question. I think you know we talked about before the show you mentioned. Drone bakeries twenty four years. Old he's going to new contract. After next season you know could they be freed up that cap space to again be signing some of their own players. I mean that's a question that's going to be answered. But i think you know with or without colvin or they're probably going to address the linebacker unit. Because i still think they need one of those you know. You don't wanna traditional middle linebacker. But they need someone that. Can you know. I think quarterback on defense. You know what i mean. Just be that thumper in the middle of the defense you know kinda recall mcmillan would be but mcmillan had his own wards and you know there was reasons why he was traded. Whatever it is. But i think they're going to address that whether it's you know i don't know in the first round but definitely early to so they'll need to bring in linebacker help with or without vinoy but i think again with this means is they could be looking assigned your own baker long-term and they have slowed andrew. Andrew van ginkel do because again in year two with this coaching staff. We saw tremendous you know step in the right direction. I think he's only scratching the surface what he can become. And you can say. Say the same about vince. Beagle i mean. I can't remember what the dolphins gave him. But was it to your deal. It was something you know minimal but they they saw progress there and again. He was a guy that they brought in here. Low risk reward and you know. He bawled out. I think he was. What a throw in the kiko alonzo. Trainee ended up to more than kiko alonzo ever did with the new orleans saints so Dolphins will address the linebacker unit. I think that will be that missing piece. You know in the middle that brian floors defense just when you think about it like the two concepts of fixing your football team is in pregnancy in the draft and it's important to keep in mind left. The first round picks aren't cheap right. You think you draft your cheap talent by those pick. Start to add up especially when you have two or three Guys coming in. They're hard to get out of and the dolphins too. I mean landon. Roberts trade komo zero hill free agent so the dolphins need the death. Isn't there the depth that we hope the dolphins kinda grow with and the success. That comes with it. Is it really they right now especially in the mike linebacker group so you wonder if maybe night you look at it. The dolphins are trying to make a couple moves. And you can use that money to sign roberts to sign a couple backup linebacker depth. Hey josh let's take a quick break and on the other side we'll chat about other quick off the notes before we take out here. We want best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. I while predicting demands with ease. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud jake. We were getting ready to talk about. God knows what. But mike garafolo from. Nfl network just dropped a bombshell. He is now piggyback on camera wolf said and he is confirming. The dolphins have informed linebacker. Caveat no he will be released so as we were sitting here recording it. We were talking about what can happen when the dolphins potentially release. It is now official. Kyle van noy is no longer miami dolphin. Jacomb your thoughts. It really comes down to the leadership right. I mean i think you know whether it was on the field off the field. Vanoy was always well-spoken. You think about that patriot system and the floor is connection. What i see here is the who's going to step into that role. It really seems like it's drum baker's time to shine but you know this is the time to make the contract to give him do patrick because once you get to next year. It's only become more expensive. I think that's the one thing this dolphin staff. Chris greer especially really understands that the fact that you really can't if you're going to resign a guy you cannot wait till the final year Because it gets really expensive. But josh overall again this means the dolphins are really going to try to get a different players. They're going to try and make a lot of booze and who knows. We thought they'd make a couple of wisdom predency. Maybe they're going to end up trying to be big spenders yet. Jake and some of the names thrown out there. We we heard hassan riddick. I believe it was a armando. Salga mentioned him. We know is a versatile player guy that you know many dolphin fans one in the draft a few years back so that could be a guy that they throw a large contract at and then there's lavar david linebacker for the tampa bay buccaneers. I know everyone saw him flash throughout the super bowl throughout the playoffs. So those are two names that you know could warrant those big contracts and again. They could be a little bit more of what the dolphins need in the middle et. Defense amid calvin brings but again. It's just crazy that a year ago. They brought in cavenaugh to be that leader to do all the things that you know from our standpoint you know. And from what we hear from the coaches he went out there and did exactly what they pay them to do but to move on after year. I mean this is just a testament to just how big of a wildcard. The miami dolphins are under brian floor. As you know we can't say that enough. You know just how you can see here and you can. It might not draft quarterback at three that you know they might not do this and that no one knows what the what they're gonna do. And this proved calvin noise. Brian flores guy brought him here to be that leader that defense again by all accounts he was that but they're moving on. I'm excited to see what the next step is gonna fishes podcast. We're going to hear some another nugget. Drop about who the dolphins are potentially signing. But this is just madness man and it's all on top of those birthday. Wish him a happy birthday. Happy birthday quarterback onto its sending this whole thing around him and a while. What a day man. What a day you mentioned it before the break. And i think this is where we should wrap it. Up jason mcintyre. Espn deshaun. watson was at the cannella fight at hard rock stadium. You set it mortar using this cap space to help finagle a watson. Deal based on the entire intel mcintyre has heard. I'm putting miami ahead of carolina. Now is the leader in terms of signing to shawn watson retreating john watson and on top of that mcintyre double down. So it's obviously it's all speculation but as people who cover the seam insert reporting that something like that. I know everyone gets mad. Talking about the shawn watson. he doesn't bid it's the chemistry. The contracts gonna put us back but as we see here as we see with someone like bed. Noy money is really adjustable. It seems in terms of the cap space and the vanoy cut is just a side of that. And obviously we're not gonna sit here and celebrate it We're wishing nor the absolute best user. Treat have in miami. He was always around the ball and he was a playmaker. And that's what the dolphins needed. Obviously they think that fourteen million dollars cap hit a little too much but here. We are josh march second. The dolphins are making roster moves and the unpredictability is just gonna continue from here guys. If you enjoyed what you're listening to. If you enjoyed the subtle snack that we like to call finsider. Hit the subscribe button. Help us out so much and leaving review just kinda doubles if you would like to kind of get up to the information from either house or myself. Be sure to hit us on twitter at eight. Ut for me can be found me can be found yes. I'm rolling with it at j. mental ninety four. Thank you guys so much for listening. Josh you have any last words to lead us out here. Nope two more weeks before free agency and you know the. The party's just getting started. But we're going to miss you. Calvin fins up everyone. Thanks for listening to the podcast radio. Quarter of the cider dot com and the sp dolphin team for goal. I know where we're on the ground we're always in control. My pocket from miami has dough wealthy from political tone on the ground when you. You're talking by moore any way to remember. My donovan just author.

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The Bad (and Good!) of the AFC East | NFL Deep Dive

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The Bad (and Good!) of the AFC East | NFL Deep Dive

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Call five six two three one four four six three for complete details would welcome to the m. qb monday morning nfl podcast. I'm gary gramling. I'm practice or and guys. We have arrived at part three of our activity. I believe it is fhu. Yeah yeah we're bringing it back all of these Yeah this is our division preview. tala g we We have already done to them. We are at the unveiling this if people haven't already like seeing the title or description but We'll build up the drama a little bit the afc east. Can you believe it already. We in the pre show meeting We came up with a really interesting tagline for the afc switches. This division sucks trying to come up with a lotta nice things to say about the. Afc east is is difficult to say the least yes well and also i wanna take a second to acknowledge the fact that we have gotten several excellent guesses for the order that we're going in and the most popular response. We got was guessing that we are going in cumulative wins per division for most to least however by doing the afc east today that is out and then we got another great gas. This one was very creative fellows. It says. I don't know why i just called you. Fellows that was very counterclockwise conference alternating. Would so they guest. Afc afc north nfc west and next would be afc south okay so really by going afc east this week we are throwing everything into chaos. We are and by the way when you said fellow is i. I was wondering if you during the show with some other people. That's that's that's definitely never come on this show. Yeah it's i'm look. We do have the prize out there. The sticker one sticker do you get more than one. I mean i have a whole stack so we could send many as is requested if you can also have the college idea of my former at also table. I'm holding right here in front of me a lot. Lot of a lot of utility to these prizes here it can be. It can be a sticker. You can leave the back on and it can be just not a sticker just a very small sign you know i have to say. I don't know that people are going to guess it. Because i loved the cumulative winds theory but i have to tell everybody who's listening that that is a little bit too objective. This is a more subjective type of ranking so cracking it will require you to get into the mind of gary gramling which after working with him for eight years. Now i have yet to be able to do a fair warning. Just a maze of madness. This is going to be good. This is going to be better than the ending of lost. Keep sending the gets in the we will send you a prize. If you get it right. I don't think so keep guessing. I promised i would have a hot take on the show this week by the way gary and so you were on the receiving end of it. That was my hot carey's mind is indecipherable started. For the roast of all the insults. I take on a weekly basis at this place. That was fine. It's actually not an insult. If you gotta a certain yeah it could it could be competently a compliment. It could be. We call that positive reframing in the that's good all right let's dive into this thing. We're doing the usual categories biggest off season edition veteran biggest offseason addition rookie. Most valuable non quarterback most interesting coach. And then of course we will have the mad lib and we will wrap up with. Our predictions are coaches poll style predictions of how this will go in the afc east. But we are starring with biggest off season edition veteran. And we'll start with jenny all right. So i'm starting out with a patriots edition from another team in the division. Kyle van noy coming back to new england. This is also in hand with dante hightower returning from his opt out last year. Basically the point being is the middle of the patriots. Defense will get a lot better. We saw a patriots defense last season. That didn't look anything like the defense the year before and there were a lot of reasons for that i mean they had losses on the defense they had players opting out etc etc. But i really feel like the return of anouilh is going to be one of those essential pieces to getting the patriots back to where they have been in the division for a long time and that hot take us for later in the show. Gary and connor So my pick here is kyle van noy and also i mean it was an expensive one year signing for the dolphins they cut him obviously the cap constricted with as a result of the pandemic but he ends up back in new england and he'll be playing site hightower again. And i feel like this defense is going to be on the upswing and before this we did look up the patriots defensive stats last year. Which are actually. Were not as bad as i thought they were. But generally overall we know what we saw on the field from the patriots defense and is not. We've come to expect from bill checks teams. They were a little all over the place last year. Like like i run. They shut down the cardinals and then but then they had games like when the bills went there late in the season and sort of looked like they might score two hundred points in that game so very up and down defense uneven to say the least i am actually going with the will fuller down in miami and i'm not gonna this as the as the biggest best player who entered the division but i think stylistically it's really interesting fit and he's very interesting player to. I'll get to that in a second but it's a really interesting fit because what you saw last year with. His dolphins receiving core not only did they struggle to stay healthy between devante parker. Impressing williams parker. Millions are kind of similar big body. Contested catch type of guys and in fuller. You just get a different kind of style. You get that guy. And he's more than deep dark but you do get a guy who takes top of the defense. He's gonna create separation. Look they have keen grant. They they've had is sort of in that speedster mold but those guys are all guys had in the past where kind of gadget type guys fuller's much more complete receiver here and then you know. Obviously on top of that. He's on one year deal again. He's going to be suspended for the first game. This season going back to last year's a pd suspension. So it's sort of a make or break year again for him. We we saw last offseason. How hard it is for receivers to get these. These big mega contracts at this point with all the Just absurdly deep draft classes coming into position. So it's a big year for fuller. He certainly makes sense as a complement to devante parker in that offense and and look they. We know they draft two years ago. We they stuck with to even had the the number three pick. They could move on if they wanted to. This is the kind of thing you do to build around your on quarterback and and obviously they. They added jalen waddell as well. But fuller's kinda guy who. I think you can plug in their early in the season and by the end of september. You might have something going here as far as vertical passing game. that just wasn't really there The way you it to be a year ago. Yeah and i like fuller too. I think that's a good pick. Just because that texans actually started using him not just exclusively in that burner like if you look at his route tree it kinda did diversify last year and i think that shows that you could do more than that you know and i know that. There's some relationships between those staffs. I'm sure they communicate you know. There's probably some stuff that they learned from watching the texans last year they can incorporate. I mean anything to get to a space right. He needs space to throw the ball. I think he needs a little bit more. You know they say open in the nfl and air quotes is not really open. It's you know you have to project the guy being open. I think we might need a little open in air quotes right for the first year or two while gets his feet under his feet under him and and fuller. That signing definitely does that. I'm going to assign. That just happened like a week ago. Less than a week ago. I think it was officially announced Checks watch The day that we are recording this podcast. But i think that the The morgan moses signing by the jets is huge And while. I think we can't be too quick to give joe douglas too much credit right away To have a right tackle to sort of anchor that offensive line and a guy. Who's at least should be vaguely familiar with the kind of offense that going to try to run. I think is big. And i'm i'm kinda worried about the jets offensive line as a whole because you know you have mci becton. And everyone's like oh. How great is this. You know he's going to anchor the left side but a big bopper like mci becton is not really what you want in an outside zone running scheme because you want those guys to be up and out of their stance in sprinting You know horizontally really quickly. And that's really not what he does. Well and so i think the more good offensive linemen the jets can find the better To try to compensate for some of this. Because i do think it's going to be kind of a patchwork deal for them for a little bit and we'll get to that later on with the rookie thing but they just cannot afford to have. What has happened with their lasts like ten first round quarterbacks. Happen zack wilson. They can't just have a guy who's tortured behind lines constantly. Sam darnold sacked. Once every twelve plays last year Which is insane and You know so. They can't have that roster gifts going to waste another number two overall graphic. Yeah and because they don't have a veteran transition plan. Zack wilson is their plan. Makes the line even that much more important. Also wanna shout out your use of big bopper. Big bopper mac ten. Ooh yeah. that's i don't know a teacher brand ship. Yeah yeah. I think we know a guy. Get a t shirt. Get some hanes regular t shirts and just just writing sharpie on it. See where it goes. See if there's a market for it Biggest offseason addition rookie. Why don't you just keep cooking with your jets off into line. Yeah let's just. Let's let's continue this offense of line monologue that everybody came to the podcast here So allies avera tucker and Is mine and joe. Douglas traded up to make this happen. i think that a lot of people who had been sniffing around on the jets pre-draft had thought that maybe robert solve is gonna get another edge rusher to pair and cut a book end and complete that defensive line but the fact that they traded up to get allies ver- tucker shows how important he is to make this whole thing work. And you know. I talked to jeff schwartz who was a eight t eight year An fell pro about the outside zone. A little freaked a couple of times and he said the one thing that people don't understand is how integral that guard position is to running that offense to and for example. You know the titans got roger. Sappho old from the rams a couple years ago because they needed him to make that work. It doesn't work without roger cellphone and still the jets. Think elijah vera tucker. Is there roger sappho right. We need a guy that can get out there and run. We need a guy who's gonna be able to do blocks x y and z really. Well and so. I think that that's huge. Because if the system works right when you're trying to marry the run in the past. That gives zack wilson. The kind of time that he was used to byu. And if it doesn't then zack. Wilson is gonna have to learn to throw faster than he's ever thrown in his life which he gets he still is but to a point of uncomfortable -bility and i think that's where we're going to get into trouble because zack wilson was not touched last year. Byu i think he was pressured. Once every thirty. Three or four snaps. Because i had to look that up recently. That's not a lot that's like two or three times a game you know and so. That's that's a pretty incredible thing to have. And he's not going to have that. Note the jets but with tucker you might at least be able to simulate the experience a little bit much offensive line play. I was just gonna say conor is talking about blocking schemes in which players will make them work and for my pick for biggest offseason edition rookie. I picked the patriots quarterback. So i'm the basic one. I went with mac jones. You know the easy obvious. Pick here. But i i really am entry because this is the year when the post brady era really begins in new england. Last year was kind of this weird gap here. We saw it with all the patriots. Opt outs talked about this before. But when there was discussions of if the would train stefan gilmore before the season last year that that was a signal from ballot check. That last year was kind of a wasted year. They didn't have that. Seamless brady to the next guy transition okay. They had a gap year. But now will really see. How is the post. Brady chapter looking. How is the plan developing. What will the patriots do with the highest quarterback. Bill belichick has ever drafted so. I am very intrigued. I don't know when mack jones will start. I don't know if it'll be him in cam. Newton some crazy offense together game plan specific week to week. There's a lot of options here but in my view i am probably the most excited to see what will happen with this rookie. Just because of all of the implications that come with being the first quarterback drafted in the first round by ballot. Check a year after brady leaves a love to that. I think it was. Mike giardi at nfl network. Who had in this. This is what amounts to spicy anonymous quote in new england right now but it's There's an anonymous patriots veteran. That said max sees the offense. The way josh does and it was like plastered. Or you're like whoa whereas like anyone would say that about any quarterback in any other place but in new england it's like whoa like wow look at that But i i love. I mean i love the idea of splitting time between these two. I mean we've talked about this forever. But if mack jones is able to take the wheel. I mean. I think this is just to be fascinating. Like you know. We've never i think this says as much about josh mcdaniels and they'll bella check and i don't know it's just very exciting and i think that there's a lot of people that thought. That really did think he was going number three like he was valuable enough to number three. So i don't know. There's a lot of exciting components here. We've had kind of a nice pallet cleanser with mac jones since draft season. Because i know kyle shanahan was sort of talking on this aisle know we kind of had everyone fooled and everyone thought we were taking mack jones but trains guides et cetera the real victim and all that was mag jones because all these forty niners fans like i will burn the city to the ground of take mack jones guys. He's it's fine like they'll be fine if they take mack jones they didn't and amac jones was not sort of caught up in that whole thing and just went fifteenth. I don't think there would have been this. Just really weird wave of negativity towards him and look. Maybe he ends up. Not being a great. Nfl quarterback and then we can all sort of I don't know we we can. We can threaten to burn cities down then but Yeah it got like super ugly. Some of the discussion surrounding jones as a potential number three overall pick. And i guess it also just shows how silly he went fifteen. It was twelve picks later in like he win in round six also. When did fans get so incredibly violent like that. They're just threatening to burn cities to the ground. I remember growing up. A young browns fan. And i was incredibly excited about every draft. Pick that the franchise made. When i had no reason to be like. I was like william green from boston college in the first round. Like how did we get so lucky. Like you know who's a gerard warren. Oh my god. I have gerard more in jersey in my closet psych right. Oh yeah an alternate orange one And so yeah. I don't know. I mean i think back jones is going to be good and i think that the reason that a lot of people thought he was going number three it was because not necessarily connected to the forty niners but i think that there are a lot of coaches that were talking to people. They're asking around before the draft. That were like yeah. He's the third best quarterback in the draft. Like he's these good. He's very good. And i heard some people say that they even thought he was the second best quarterback in the draft. And so i don't know i mean i'm excited you handbill check that raw material and i think something good's going to come of it. Yeah i think. There's a tendency to joke about bala checks connections. Oh he always drafts from the same schools but there is no stronger connection. He has an all coaching then with sabin and they talk all the time about transition from college to pros trends. That are moving up so the idea that. Oh it's not the kind of quarterback that would allow you to do things that are where. Nfl offenses are going. That's certainly something. That bell check has considered like he's considered all the things that matt jones can and can't do and they will build an offense around what he can do. So yeah. I also connor to your earlier point when fans become so knowledgeable about draft prospects. Anyway i mean they're not actually knowledgeable but they have these very strong opinions. And maybe in the case of quarterback or quarterback like matt jones who came from a big school where he was on primetime a lot navy fans have watched him play a little bit more but sometimes people have very strong opinions about offensive linemen from lake obscure schools in your life. Did you really watch compla- at all. Are you recycling something you saw on twitter probably the latter. We need to start. Iii ran an experiment that ended up not catching on But about three years ago. I started tweeting a couple of weeks before the draft about a fullback from rice named still and i wanted people to eventually come to the conclusion like he didn't exist. It wasn't a real person. But i was just like just getting you know. Tax about stillman's combi numbers like these are unbelievable. You know all the bench press and stuff like that to see if i could create that like that. Plant that sort of psychological nugget into the fans mind was not successful but i also didn't have the momentum of big football media behind me. We needed more people out there to talk stillman in order to get that going. But you're right. I mean everybody just sees like you know. They'll see mel kiper say that guy is horrible. You know and and they're like well gosh. why would it be pickup. And then you know. Unless you're the raiders You know most of the time. It's not true like everything is fine. But the raiders. Do pick people that everybody says vat and they turn out back. There's a difference between that and everything else. It's yeah it's it really in the end. It's like yeah you should. It's fun to root for something it's funded turn on the draft and like root for your team date your guy and i don't wanna take that away from people but sometimes you've got gotta take a ticket deep breath back. Joan stuff was just that was on another level than anything. I can really remember in in in recent history here but yeah he went fifteen rightfully went fifteen. Not number three. Now we get to see what What he's going to be. I'm going to switch over to defensive. You guys don't mind here. gregory russo fascinates me. And not just because he's in. Buffalo and western. New york is wonderful. But the greg russo make sense to me In a couple of ways in this bills defense one really interior rusher and you know we all kind of i know. I have a have an affinity for edge burner type of a passer. Russo was better lining up in the interior. I'm guessing that's where they're gonna use him to do. He might play on the outside on early downs and then kick inside on obvious passing down here. That might be able sort of diamond front. He used in houston a couple of years ago. That five-man front. I always thought that would catch on in never completely caught on. Maybe the bills are going to try something with that. May maybe put russo over center as freely as possible. When i'm basically let them pick on guys who are less athletic than like whitney mercilus did for For a couple of years. They're a bit of a different body type with russo. But the other thing with rousseau and this is my mildly contrary football twitter take here so get ready buckle up for good reason. We sort of emphasize okay. It's not just all about sacks gotta pressures are important important and qb hits and all the stuff and and wins and and And all that sort of stuff you. No one wins as a order. That's all important. I think at some point. We started to overlook guys who can finish. I think finishing is a skill. And it's funny. I was Watch the game the other day the afc title game and the two biggest plays nine games are still Patrick mahomes on back to back. Please the bill dead to rights once it was It was milano coming up coming clean on a blitz and then it was a espen esa on on on another uh pass routes there and the had them and they couldn't get him on the ground and mahomes escapes and he makes a big play. And all the chiefs are fifty yards downfield and getting ready score touchdown at the end of the second quarter. They're so rousseau had a ton of sacks he can finish. I don't think you necessarily build your team around okay. We need to sack this one single quarterback across the league and that will fix all. Our problems are other skills. That are important. But i do think finishing gets overlooked. I think the bills had some problems finishing in their pass rush last year. I think it's it's russo's and your even if he doesn't have the best win rate as a pass rusher and even if he's not sort of a classic yo edge bending type of guy. I think it makes a lot of sense aaron. I'm really curious to see how this works out for him. Because as we saw from the draft they are very concerned with their pass rush. Yeah they could have gone a lot of directions with that pick. But i think the biggest need was somebody that could sack. The opposing quarterback. That's the what they need to get them over the hump You know beyond where they got to last season really interesting headline that lasts two monologue. Gramling hates analytics. Believes all defensive. End should be drafted based on sack. Total so wow. That'll that'll play. Yeah if it's not in the box score doesn't matter and not even the full box score the one that's like the colon and then they're all separated by semi colons in between that box score. I'm an pro football focus on this limits when when we put it online. No those are. That's that's what. I'm doing this here. And i kinda talk about the same. With a nudge harris and the steelers to shows ago in the afc north software. Finishing a drive for running back. That's a skill. getting in the end. I think putting a quarterback on the ground rather than just getting there. I think the finishing is a skill that kinda gets overlooked so We'll see i. I like analytics. I am creeping into running back. I'm creeping back into running game matters like i really am. I've found myself like slowly. You know. I it's like you. You put your foot in like it's a pool and you don't know how cold it is but it feels pretty good like i'm. I'm ready to jump in running backs matter again. I'm ready it's so just wonderfully contrarian just feels great with warmer days ahead. 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And i think we kinda get caught up in in catch radius with some of the really big six four receivers i think digs has a tremendous catch radius because he tracks the ball so well downfield and he he he. He blows people away from the slot and no one can cover him. It's it's almost like what happens to tyreek hill down. Kansas city Yeah he's he's the best non quarterback in the division. I didn't have any anything original to say about it. Yeah so the most valuable. Non quarterback categories what sparked become comment that connor introduced earlier in the show sucks which is not true. They could have three teams in the playoffs. Mix this year but if you look at stars individual players outside of the quarterback position it's hard to locate one. That is really kind of what you would expect in this category which is a pass rusher. So our first two divisions we had the top two defensive players in the league t. J. watt aaron donald. And there were also other good choices that you could affect when you think of the most valuable non quarterback you think of the player that is pressuring the quarterback and pass rushes. Naughty strength of the afc's so i also went with digs for the way that he made the bills. Offense come alive last season. He was really critical to unlocking josh allens potential in a way that many of us including myself weren't sure could be done and so that's why i went with him and you know i considered a couple of the cornerbacks. There are also strong cornerbacks in this division but yeah as as connor said at the top of the show you know what what what what talent is there. So the reason that i didn't put stephan digs they're just the little bugaboo for me is You know so. My neighbors recently found out what i do for a living. I went down to assist one of them with a fantasy football draft last year and stephan digs was available at a very reasonable point in the draft and he said well we should get this guy he sees good and i was an i said no. Because he's the only good player in buffalo so everyone's gonna know that everyone's going to cover him and he's not going to get the ball and my neighbor said see. That's why i brought you down here. It's good stuff. And then lo and behold steph addict has more balls than anybody in the nfl and then you know you just you you start walking the dog in another direction. 'cause you don't wanna see people On mondays and You know it's just a it's complicated for me. So that's the only reason but that's a really good way to get out of like doing some fans draft with him though. Oh man lamar jackson. Who wants that guy But i went with xavien howard beach just because you know brian. Flora's comes from the bell check tree and there's always that need for that integral lockdown corner. I believe pro. Football focus had missed the second. Best cornerback in the nfl last year. And he's going to perform a lot of tasks in this division. This year i think that with new england Finally getting some receivers to add to their roster. I think that's gonna make his job even more important in their defense works. I think having him against stephan digs once a year or twice a year when they play. Buffalo i think is valuable so i was xavien howard just because he matters very much that scheme in a way that stephan digs matters very much to that scheme buffalo Which is also to say The why haven't the bills traded for zach ertz yet like that needs to happen. They need more people to catch the ball there they need. They need extra help so they should do that. Connors trying to make the oracle happen still. I know i'm really like you know. I've been reading a lot about manifesting in. It's just not happening like i just keep yelling it in. It's not happening. And i don't understand what all these people mean. When they say you can just make stuff happened by saying it a lot so i don't get it the most interesting coach. This can be head coach or assistant in the division Connor wanna you wanna you keep going. I thought you were going to say conor. We've heard enough for yesterday Why bill bill belichick and just because you know. I think this is the first off season where there are some pretty legitimate. Like anti bella check takes you know. I think paul finebaum was the one who said the other day like he's past his prime always going to do now is draft alabama players. And he's asleep at the wheel and all that stuff and while i think everybody else's sort of picking and choosing the way that they're going to take their shots at him. I do think that there's a sentiment that now that tom brady has won the super bowl elsewhere that he was the engine that drove this entire thing and that bell check is going to be unable to do it without him. You know. there's that sense that well you. It'll he's teams. Weren't that good in cleveland. And then they. Weren't that good until tom brady got here. And so you know x. Plus wyche will be you know. And i think that it couldn't be further from the truth You know to jenny's point earlier like did we really think that bell check is not thinking about were. Defenses are going ten years from now. We're offenses are going ten years from now when he drafted mack jones. Like of course he has. I mean this guy literally in his spare time is hanging out with military black ops people to find out how they sleep to get his players to sleep better. Like this guy is thought of everything. And i think that He's an incredible head coach. He's the best head coach modern. Nfl history and we get a chance to see him rebuild from scratch. I love the fact that he didn't retire when brady left. I think it's fantastic. You know i think that. A lot of these coaches chase. The guy look at. Bruce arians is. His book was called the quarterback whisperer. But you played. Ben rothlisberger peyton manning tom brady carson palmer like. It's not that hard to be. You know andrew luck So you know that's okay you know. That's a pretty decent resume but bill belichick willing to start from the ground up again. And i think it's gonna be fascinating to watch him kind of operate in this way. Now i agree it's I kind of like the The antibiotic takes just because they're completely absurd and I think if anything maybe does keep him around a little bit long enough that i think scrolling through a on twitter and seeing what everyone's saying about him but I like the fact that he sorta gets that chance to. I don't know reprove himself even though he doesn't have to. I hope he thinks that. I'm i'm the with mike floor here the The new offense coordinator for the jets came over from for robert sal. And what's really interesting to me about him. is we. Think the kyle shanahan disciple. We think he's gonna yell. Play fullback play tight ends. Go with the sort of heavy looks and then You know get the play action off and the way the jets are built here. I mean this looks like a team. That's going to be a three receiver base. They're very deep receiver and not very deep anywhere else on the roster here so i'm curious to see what the floor ends up doing. I didn't corey davis the fact that they signed him. I think maybe the davis is sort of a guy you can maybe do some tight. End dish things as a blocker. You're not going to put him in line but you can sort of use him in that same functionality where he's going to motion inside and then and then you can You can sort of work that there and the other thing that really interest me with his jets offense is. I just love the fact that it's sort of encapsulates. They have sort of the old school slot receiver and then they have. The new schools are receiver. Jamison crowder is still there. And he's kind of what we always thought a slot. Receiver was for years and years. Guy who you know separates underneath. And he's gonna to catch it five yards upfield and maybe slip tackle but probably in the end have like ninety catches for nine hundred yards. And that's a that's fine but what you're seeing so many teams going with split save looks It is so valuable to have a slot receiver who can also be vertical threat. And that's what they haven't allies more. So i think you get to see that sort of evolution happened in real time in by the jets offense this year. If you want to keep a close eye on it. I like that I would say is a subset to that it would be the best In addition to the floor would be john benton right who's the run game coordinator and offensive line coach. Who is almost as important to making that work is the floor. But you're right. I mean there's going to be huge personnel challenges. There and the problem with a lot of hiring someone from shanahan system is like owners. Think okay. i'm getting the offense and you're not like you need all the other things like you mentioned when you need a great. That's why he ran out and signed. Kyle use check. You know to a huge deal and you know you need all those guys too. And they don't have them. So how do you compensate for that. I think it's gonna be really interesting. That's game encapsulates. The excitement swagger and energy of the nba. it's a bold declaration understood by insiders and casual fans alike that the bar has been raised when it comes to the game of basketball and culture itself. The nba is always moving forward. 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To sixty four is exclusively available to espn plus subscribers for sixty nine ninety nine or sign up now to get ufc to sixty four and espn plus annual plan for eighty nine ninety eight visit. Espn p l u s dot com slash spotify. I went with brian cabell. Partly because both of you had really good answers for this question. I didn't want to repeat points that were already made. But i am legitimately interested. I think the hardest part harder than helping a quarterback breakthrough is to then sustain that success the following year and that is the task for able this year so last year. They hit all the right notes with josh allen they signed digs and we saw him finally make this huge leap forward and all of that physical talent and potential was unlocked last season. Well now what do you do this year. You know teams around the league have a better sense of what an allen led offense. Kim look like at its best and have more time to defend and prepare against that. And also you know when you're taking that step forward. You're kind of playing with house money right. The expectations aren't as high on new. Everything you do is a thrill everyone is praising how far you've come since the previous season so i think it's harder to do the second act. I was stunned that he didn't get a head coaching job. I thought he would have. Certainly you know his work with. Alan would have been recognized there. But i think you're right. I mean and the fact that he didn't get any help from personnel and they didn't trade zakar. It's makes his job even harder offseason. Because there's you know you're basically running with the same group of person but they didn't really you know. I think there's a lot of people if you follow the mock draft tea leaves that were having them maybe look at travesty at at the end of the first round and maybe that sentiment is true. I think that they know they need another playmaker in this offense But something hasn't really materialized and they think that that might end up being the great regret in all of this For buffalo that no matter how good he is at creating all these mismatches. For josh allen like eventually you know people are going to figure you out. They're going to get enough tape on you and this isn't you know josh. Allen is great but at the end of the day. Still josh allen right. You know it's it's sort of a sort of a cam. Newton with a with a different sort of armed talent slightly. I don't know exactly how you want to put it. But no matter how special and kind of talented these players our people do end up finding a way to shut them down. And so and you're the clock kind of runs out on you a little bit there. Unfortunately if you don't get new players in the fold yeah and last year is everything. Bel stance had been hoping for right the patriots. Finally tom brady leaves the division. And there's an opening and the bill sees it and take advantage but do they have enough to take that next step and that's what we discussed with them. Drafting a pass rusher. But you're right connor. They didn't address getting another offense. A playmaker to enliven things. And i think another point you made about coaching job. I think if you're in that position there is always the alert or you know the potential of saying well. I'm going to do a lot of creative things to make sure that people know this is my offense and they can see my creativity on display. And i think it can be really hard to resist that ultimately you have to do what makes the most sense for the offense but i think they're having plenty of not saying that the balls in this camp there have been plenty of coordinators in the past that fall into that trap. They wanna get cute. They want everyone to know that they have these fantastic ideas that you haven't seen before and that's not always what's best for the offense you. Also this year have to resist. That urge. i think overall when you back. There's there's always an assumption that especially when you're young quarterback the trajectory the improvement. It's just going to stay on that even Young incremental okay. Got this much better now. He'll get that much better next year. Just imagine eight years from now. Josh allen is throwing for one hundred twelve touchdowns every season and that's really just not how it works out when it's all said and done but With that i do want to transition to the mad libs because we did see improvement between week one week two from connor. Or who's who's pretty tenuous grasp on the whole. Tom became much better in week. Two and let's see if he can improve in week three here connor takeaway while last week. I had to call my mom who is a six grade english teacher and i said mom. Let's run back through adjectives. Nouns verbs adverbs. Because that's where i really struggled and She was disappointed. But we start from the beginning. And some hoping. I'm hoping that i i made some headway here so Who wants to go first this week. I think it's my turn book jenny. Jenny give me an adjective describing the feeling you get when you run your hands through your hair. Silky loss 'rational but while her friend her sochi. Good good good Gary an adjective that describes An ailing pet. How would you describe an ailing pet. All this is this is yeah. This is mary thad really. That is An ailing pet would be It's just dead air at this point it's it's just super it's tragic can buy color it that it's it's it's heart wrenching. Yeah is close enough. How ailing is it can i. Can i intend to at better in my mind. I'm trying to get you to save frail. But but you don't have to say frail. But i would like you to say something similar to the word frail. How 'bout brittle. Oh that's perfect. Yeah okay. Hopefully that of air. That's good All right jenny and adjective describing what is the most important function of a wizard. Like what is a wizard. Do that is more important than anything else pertaining to being a wizard magic. Perfect all right. We're really fly in here. Okay that pertain to ballot. Check gary give me a noun and something that you regularly look for when you're going to shop at bed bath and beyond. What do you fight a by at bed. Bath and beyond the the yearly matt desk calendar. You know what i'm talking about. Yeah nice you're still calendar guy. Yes yes but i it's. It's under a center. Apollo crap right now so it's not functioning twenty twenty. One just doesn't count there. You go jenny. Verb describing your your favorite gym activity. You like to do at the gym okay. This is a good one Slams you know when you slam down the medicine ball and you get out a lot of frustration. So med ball slams yes very good gary Something That what's something that That bores you greatly. Hopefully not this podcast Well if they've made it this far. Yeah yeah we're we're at the we're at the eighty percent market this point so Some that bores me. Tremendously is probably driving at this point. That's a good one okay. Dr driving long distances driving anywhere. Just yeah just driving anywhere is a chore at this point And then we have here Jenny maybe when you were a kid or if you've if you still have that same feeling what. What is an adjective. That kind of describes how you feel the night before christmas. Okay yeah definitely more. A child Eager okay good no longer. I don't know what to say ventas. Colin santa isn't real getting Okay and a word gary that you would mutter to yourself. Let's say you're in starbucks and you're watching someone try to push their way out of a pull door What are you what. What do you mutter to yourself. I don't want to necessarily be insulting. But is perfectly capable person that is stubborn and is just refusing to admit. Yeah so so. I'm going to go with nimrod. Good one i'm really interested to see who describes and the division all his earth. Just tom brady. It's all just so okay so here we go The afc east has long been ruled by the silky patriots. But something happened there brittle quarterback. Tom brady moved to florida. Bringing all of new england's magic secrets with him That left the door open for the buffalo bills to stampede through led by their quarterback. Josh allen who let's be honest looks a little bit like a matt. Desk calendar allen season last year was great and many people in the state of buffalo slammed their way out of their snow-filled living-rooms to celebrate their playoff. Berth the miami. Dolphins are trying very hard to win the division too but the problem is watching them. Play often feels like driving. Sometimes it's good but sometimes it's bad but it's never enough and last indefinitely least we have the jets. Their new head coach robert solace seems eager but younger fans if the jets start every season thinking. They're good but they're nimrods. Oh fans being nimrods was the perfect ending to the honor. Those good i Fans just jackie chan. I was gonna say. I didn't cover the twenty eleven yet so like i don't have the right to say that i feel like conner. Most of our paltry twitter followings are made up of group for all of them so i am just teasing. Just i said young jets fan so you. The people who follow us on twitter refined. It's your kids. Who are now. That's all right. I didn't i didn't i didn't destroy the english language today. I got all my parts of speech. Right feels good. Yeah that was that was. That wasn't food. I feel bad that That that my dying dog. Was tom brady when it was all said and done but he can. He can take it. It'll be fine. It's going to be funny to keep taking potshots at tom. Brady until he's bazo s- level powerful and one day. I just walk out my door into a sinkhole and like he's been listening the whole time. I think one of my sl headline was in his End of season like gotcha montage after the super bowl tweeted like never listened to talk radio but it was like a bunch of headline saying he was too old. One of the one of my hot takes in there. I think might be on his radar. You know might be good. You know i pick the bucks third in the power rankings. after the loss to the bears. So i'm I am forever o'brady loyalist. I guess are you going to do that again this year. Pick the bucks high or do y'all rankings pro. I hope the answer is not it probably will be yes to both of those off to vote them super low than just to balance it out. Connor is the chaos agent and the power ranking grid. Can i review kindness. Reveal real quick and we are doing the afc Show so it's a. It's relevant two years ago at one point. You put the bills first or second i in that. Yeah and look. I do not get very much interaction on twitter but Every once in a while. When i log onto twitter mike i i've like seventeen. Mentions what is going on here. And it was just a bunch of people like like gary definitely with the bills i in the power rankings. I didn't i swear to god i didn't. It was somebody else. I put them. I in the power rankings and for a time Like according to like maybe the five or six people that actually follow this. I'm not naive enough to think that beyond that changes anybody's life but You know kind of developed a little bit of folk status with the four or five people in buffalo who are paying attention and then last year when an and that's coming up some sort of getting a little bit of asia but when you have to predict all Every single nfl game. I picked the bills to finish seven in line last year and there was a bills fan deemed me immediately following every game last year. Just to be like you're an idiot and he would just say it every week and and so i lost. I felt like. I lost my credibility that i'd worked so hard to gain over that time. Because let's be honest. You're you're gonna be in when you're in our business. You wanna be nicer to the fan bases that you feel like might actually like come to your house and like you know and try to like freak you out in the bills would be like that like you know you know. You're you're just jumping through tables. All de you have time to come in yell at me at my house if you really wanted to. So i'm gonna pick them to win more than i'm not going to pick them to win. While survival thing you know the power rankings. Discussion is a great transition to our show. Finale it is it is because this is also motivated by fear when we do these. Do these votes here So all four of us ranked one through four our predictions for this division. They were all pretty similar at this point. Only one only one. What's the word. I'm looking for rogue l. I wish i wish. I wish i did what you did like. I had what you had. And and i wa- because you're right you're going to be right and it's it's I don't know this is a long way of saying jenny's right. So then i would have been the agitator if you agree with jenny. So gen z. Agitator here okay. Let's let's let's break this up. We all had the jets. Finishing last i look the jets are on the right path. They'll be fine will live and everyone will have a good time there this year but yes we all pick them last so they are therefore placed. Third place is the dolphins we all pick them third dolphin six points in third in second place. The patriots with ten got a first place vote from someone and the bills are projected to finish first with eleven points connor and i pick them to finish first. Which means jenny pick the patriots. Tugs right. I disrupted things although if you think about it. It's really not disruptive if you look at the way things have been right. I'm just reverting to the old status quo rather than what last year was. But it is a little bit disruptive this year people are expecting the bills to build off of last season and the patriots aren't downswing. But i don't know might take the patriots a little while to get back up there but i have high hopes for them this season i do too. I really do so. I want to wrap this. We didn't do this on the other divisions that i i will forever regret that. But i want to wrap this show up just a little bit differently. I mean we gave you the one through four. For all you know we think all four teams the best four teams of football and and therefore You know finishing fourth wouldn't be so bad. But i want to run team by team and this is all i wanna do. I am going to present each team. And i'm going to ask if they are a super bowl contender and not like oh there. My picked him with israel but super bowl contenders should they have super bowl. Aspirations here and we all can just shout out our individual answers at that point but I i think. I said it basically loose enough rules at this who go in any way but Let's start this off with the bills. Are the bills super bowl contenders. Yes yes time. I maybe maybe sure me of my daughter is listening to the sound of music for the first. I'm in and you know that song it's like i'd like to stay in taste my first champagne. And she said yes and then like dej goes no in like. That's what we're doing now. But the bill super bowl contenders. Yes yes i think so. Okay are like i mean what are we defining. A super bowl contenders. Are they good enough to be like in the in the conference championship. Game like a considering contention for the super bowl legitimate super bowl aspirations if you are a fan of the bills she'll be. Should you be hopeful. A super bowl berth. This yes because let's let's face. I'll bring it the texans as a as an example. No texans fan is like they. I hope this year i you. What tickets like. No one's going to be doing that. So i just want to give fans a I don't know just sort of a starting point to start building their expectations off. But i'm glad this took eight minutes to do the bills yesterday. That's go patriots patriots. Were were protected. Place are the patriots superbowl contenders. Yes yeah every year yes absolutely. Yeah the miami dolphins we all pick them third places where it starts to get interesting. Are the dolphins super bowl contenders. I see no now. I say yes i think Okay you don't wanna hear think yes well right. Yeah i mean you can go now to In that cardinals game last year. Like i think if if that's the two that you get then it's a yes it's one hundred percent yes. I think it's really interesting. What's happening there. I thought he was really disappointing last year. But sometimes you just gotta get the right weapons and the coaches in there and you walk something And let's go will. We'll also know for the jets playoff contenders playoff now ability. Now now see no not that guy. Maybe they're like you said maybe are headed in the right direction but no for now. Okay all right we really spilled out for those nimrod fans i'll tell not alone owed nimrod i can take the heat on that you guys don't need to take it all right. Well we have three down. We have five to go. We are still feeling your gases as to how we determined this order and again if you if you get it right we have some stickers where you might we might have something else. Yeah so. I'm a i'm my podcast. Set up right. Here's in in my basement. And i'm currently being tasked with cleaning out all the garbage from my office and i found a gigantic gigantic plastic bag full of business cards. That i don't need anymore. And so i'm gonna sweeten the pot here because not only do you get Stickers m cube stickers. But i will send you a business card from from this From this rant vary random stack of business. Cards i will. I will cross any personal numbers so that you can't bother any of these people but you can enjoy some of the very Very fun artwork. So yeah i mean i can. You'll make kind of like shuffle one and all like at will add it to the pot right. Yes yes i. i think. Let's do that every week. So so there's one going in the pot this week and connor you tell us who it is okay I have no idea where this came from a. I have a card for a lawyer. And he's just called fight lawyer and so this is a lawyer called fight lawyer and And he represents fighters Trainers and specializes in disputes and It says on the back. This person brings knowledge experience integrity determination and tenacity flight lawyer boy. I was hoping that a lawyer. You could fight a lawyer that will fight for you are right. 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OTA 2 breakdown - Cam Newton hurt, Mac Jones grinds

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

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OTA 2 breakdown - Cam Newton hurt, Mac Jones grinds

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. My man Greg was out at Gillette today. He was, I'm sure he had the. Did you have the, the binoculars out Greg? Did you have those horse? Of course? You did. Of course you did. Your binoculars catch? What happened to Cam Newton? Because everybody started going crazy today on Twitter about this injury to his throwing hand. What did you see? What do you know? So, I did not see the actual injury. What happened was is that since I'm just so in tune to the Special Teams, and what's going on, I have to know what's going on there. I was watching the far field where they were doing a lot of did. A lot of special teams in this practice and on the near-field the quarterbacks were working with like assistant coaches ball boys, what have you down on footwork drills? Against pads against other things and suddenly I I didn't seek am actually walk off. What what caught my attention was? I was looking through my bag. killers and surveying the scene and I saw Josh McDaniels talking to Bill Belichick. And, you know, Matt Patricia was sort of trying to hang in on the conversation from behind and that struck me as odd because I knew the quarterbacks were doing work, what's McDaniels doing over there? And then all of a sudden a sort of scampered back over and then all of a sudden I was like, oh okay, now I see Cam, he's with the team doctor, he's with Jim Whelan. The trainer he's looking at his right hand and to me it just looked like, it looked like and everybody sort of had a different viewpoint on this. What I saw through my binoculars was they were paying special attention to in my opinion. If you're watching the video game right now, this sort of region of his hand, sort of like the knuckle in your hand, like the webbing of it, like know the actual probably like, you know, your knuckle on your right off finger if you make a fist, okay, that knuckle right? That knuckle right there. So that's what I saw. It could have been a thumb, I don't know. But look, he's sustained some sort of injury to his hand dead. Cam was not happy about it, sat out the rest of practice. What was interesting is they didn't like put ice on it. They didn't take them away. Stayed on the field. You could tell his demeanor definitely changed. He was not happy. He was not feeling the rest of practice. He was kind of little ticked off probably annoyed and page and that was that was it from from cam now. I think there's been reporting since then Karen Koreans said no break. I think I just saw that Ian Rapoport said that Cam Newton suffered a slight bone today at practice being his hand on a helmet. Not consider major at all but since it's a spring we may not see much more of him until training camp. I think that's the most significant thing. I mean first of all. It's not considered major at all. Yeah well it's going to take them out of they have practices next week, right? And they have then they have OTAs, they had the minicamp that's significant. I mean it might not be a major injury and threatened to season but for a guy that we've talked about four months, going back a year about all the excuses that were made for him. Certainly by some people internally with the Patriots that, oh, will Cam Newton, didn't have this and Cam Newton didn't have this opportunity. Cam Newton couldn't be on the field. Well, here we are. He has a chance for a full offseason. And now this happens and to me that's the most major development of this. I mean, we don't know, he could be back next week. It wouldn't surprise me. It didn't look major in that, they didn't put ice on it or not. Take any drastic measures immediately after the injury tells me that it's not significant, but if if it keeps cam off the practice field, I think it's a major development for this team. Cam Newton because I think it opens the door for Mac Jones. And I think that's the most significant thing out of this Cam, Newton injury and we'll get into Mac and how that might affect his trajectory now moving forward. But I just want to throw my two cents out there regarding cam. You can imagine why he was a little angry, why he was upset, why does, you know, disposition changed when he was at practice? Because it's just said, he knows what he just went through all last year, old people how tough it was and I'm sure he wanted this o t a. To go as perfectly as it could. He wants to stay healthy. He wants to do everything that he can do to try to win this job. He wants every single rep. So any kind of injury that takes him out of the mix. Even if it's for a day a week, a month, he's going to be upset by it. But I actually like the fact that he was upset by it because it and show that he's a competitive guy and he wants the damn job. Now that he's out as you said, who knows how long if Rapoport is right off? If he's out the rest of the way here until mandatory minicamp, you look at Mac Jones and this is a golden opportunity. Greg for Mac to step up and say, okay, the doors open, I'm not only going to walk through the door, I'm kicking that damn thing down. Yeah, absolutely. And and I thought it was interesting. So when McDaniels went over to Belichick we don't know what they're saying. But off to me my guess was. Well, all right, well cams out, how do you want to handle reps from here on out? And what I saw was Mac Jones was suddenly was qb1. And I think that's significant that they decided to, you know, give the rookie now. That being said, I think it's fair to say the Mac Jones didn't exactly take the ball and run with it today and and he did not have a great day. I thought, Jarrett, Stidham was by far the, the quarterback on the field and and good for Jarrett Stidham. Who knows? Maybe the light turned on. But I don't want people to get alarmed by this. And and, and I'm going to write a column on. Bsj this part will probably come out after this. So, you know, our members can can read that first putting this into context. Now, what people need to understand about today's practice and this is my opinion, I don't I don't have a practice script, I haven't talked to any assistant coaches, so I don't know what the design of today's practice was, but in my opinion from watching NFL can't for twenty years. To me it seemed like today was a very a very Blitz heavy day for the defense. So it's whenever that happens, whether it's OTAs or training camp, it's always a great day for the offense. I don't care who the quarter. I've seen Tom Brady have terrible days against, you know, a lot of blitzes from the opposition from the defense and and especially when you consider You know, all the continuity that goes on on on defense and they are missing a ton of people, but when they lined up out there, you have Lawrence guy, you've got shows out there, you have Chase, winovich has out there. You have Kyle, Roy, you have Juwan Bentley, you have, you know, cornerbacks who have been here, Kile Duggars out there. Jalen Mills is is new, but you have a defense that knows what they're doing. As opposed to the offense where you don't, you don't have either. You're starting tackles, which was a big problem today. Blocking, you know, you have all new receivers you have basically a new tight end. You have running backs out there who are JJ Taylor and Tyler Gaffney pretty much so it's and you have a new quarterback. So it's going to be a challenge. And I think today was one of those days and you see this sometimes and look Bill Belichick and Josh, McDaniels both talked up Mac Jones this week in meeting with the media, especially Belichick the morning of that practice and what I read into this written down. Into it was, and we talked about it last week with how good Jones was and how good he looked what Belichick said was. Look, you basically everything that were giving him. He's he's he's taking in and he's doing a really good job with it. And I think today was one of those days where they were like, you know what, what store a little bit more at the kid and that he didn't come through with flying colors and it wasn't long. I mean, I think I saw some of the stats cuz I don't keep stats in these eight of eleven but most of them were checked downs but against a blitz heavy scheme with no based or not running the ball ever most you're doing play-action so Advantage defense all over the place that he's taking the check downs. I'm sure they're fine with that. And I think, you know, when you're dealing with a rookie quarterback and they're like, oh hey you recognize. All right, we don't have anything or this looks. This looks Harry just dump it down. That's what we're going to do. What he did Alabama so I that back Jones didn't like him. Himself today is really of no concern of mine. Nick in in that Justin, did a really nice job good for Jarrett and, you know, maybe maybe now it's clicking, but I don't think that anybody listening to this or any Patriots fans out. There should be alarmed, that Jones had had a bit of a rough day. It was Advantage defense. It's going to happen. I don't think it's a big deal. Now. Let's see what happens next week. If he gets the ones reps without Cam Newton there and he and he's still kind of struggling a bit, then we have cost for concern, but I think that Mac Jones with the book up at Jones, I think they threw a lot at him so that he could go further that he they threw a lot at him so he could see it. See it on film tonight over the weekend. I come back next week, make the adjustments and he'll be better from that. You know. I think the most significant thing about today wasn't what happened on the field? I think it was what happened at the podium and Belichick Saying what he said and a night. Sweet. It's something like this today, at Nick's, sea radio. By the way, I know everybody follows Greg. You can follow me. If you heard that Nick see radio but I tweeted out, you know, we've talked about Mac Joe ever since he was drafted and we've talked about what we expected. And again today, was that next step of being unpredictable The Next Step, pehle check where he's saying more than I ever anticipated him to say about this quarterback and we go back first day of OTAs that you saw. He's not as we said last week, carrying helmets, he's not the 4th guy, he's not getting treated on a field, like we thought he was going to get treated. And then usually, as we know, no matter what you asked, Belichick this time of the year, usually, it's a big, old fat ass stink bomb. And instead of, instead of trying to quiet the noise, he stood up there today and said, no, this kid is picking up. What we're putting down and he gets it pretty much is what he said. I mean, if you were just want to wrap it all up into one, nice day. Sentence. This guy is getting it so far. And so, to me again, I'm not telling you he's going to the Hall of Fame. I'm not even tell who's going to start a game this season. I have no damn idea. But what I can say is the way Belichick is handling him on the field and talking about him. I do think Greg that is significant. I completely agree with you Nick. And I think that, you know what you said, and what we've talked about that that Belichick not only what he said, but in practice that, you know, Cam Newton goes down and Belichick is just like, go off. And also, I don't really care that. It's a blitz heavy. We're Kyle Van Noy and all these guys are flying at Mac Jones, and he has no blockers in front of them. That know what the hell he's doing. I don't really care because I know the kid can handle it, and I can tell you, you know, from from being around here that they weren't doing this to Cam Newton in his like, you know, v e. Actress as a patriot and they certainly weren't doing this with Jarrett Stidham or Jimmy Garoppolo in about their you know v o t a practice as a patriot. So that that the the Patriots think enough of Mac Jones to throw them into the fire. So to speak as much as you can get in in an OT a practice without pads to me. Speaks more volumes about where he is a place where they see him. Then any quote unquote performance, he might have had on the field today. It tells you they trust them and I would also say this, I think it also tells you at least a bit, you know, there was some talk about Mac and his maturity, and a lot of it stemmed from the DUI, he had years ago, and it was always be mature enough. The fact that Belichick is saying what he's been saying publicly. I think also tells us that they not only feel like he is ahead of where they thought he might be that. They're not happy where he's at right now. But I also think Reagan, you can agree or disagree. I also think it tells us that as far as the person as far as the individual Belichick doesn't think that Mac is the kind of guy that if I go out there and I say what I said this week in front of the cameras, and I give him this responsibility on the practice field. He obviously doesn't feel like now is the kind of guy that will let it get to his head and that there's a there's a certain level of maturity, where Mac can kind of, you know, compartmentalize this stuff and say, you know, that's great to coach, you know, coach said that great coach has me, as the second guy, came went down. Great coach, put me as the number one guy, but for Belichick to do all of that right off the bat, I think. Telephone number That he also believes Mac is pretty level-headed and he's a smart kid and he and he knows how to handle maybe a little bit of flowers being thrown his way early on. And I also think that's a good thing. Yeah. I and and look Nick what are we what are we know so far from what we've been able to see that and the first practice open to the media Bill Belichick had Cam, Newton, and Jarrett Stidham working together, and Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer working together. They had, they had sorry, I don't know if I said that, right. But Cam Newton Mac Jones to get twice as if he cloned, but we get. Okay. Sorry. So Mac Jones and Cam Newton worked together, right, and Jarrett Stidham, and Brian Hoyer, worked together, and Mac, Jones clearly in the first public practice, double check knows. We're all going to run wild with it. And you know, some jackass like Greg Bedard is going to run a flowery column that gets you know that that makes, you know, Nick cattles have to consult the doctor after 4 hours wage Well, what I saw in here Greg and so he knows that, you know, that jackass Bernard is going to write something like that and he didn't really care. And then this week, Cam Newton Goes Down Jones has taken the Reps and he knows that we're all seeing this. Right. Bill Belichick doesn't give a crap and that just tells you to go along with what you're saying is that I think he really likes the kid. I think he he thinks that this kid certainly has a really good head on his shoulders and he's really comfortable not giving him. He's fine, giving him too much he's fine, giving them a lot of Praise. He's fine, giving him basically, you know, a bouquet by the way he's played played him in front of the media and he thinks he's going to deal with it the right way. So to me, This this only reinforces what I wrote last week and now if you're a Patriots fan, your sort of secretly hoping that Cam Newton's out for another week or two, and that is Mac Jones a show and I'm sure Jarrett, Stidham. They'll probably reward Jarrett Stidham with what he did, and he should, cuz he looked really good today and he looked decisive, but I think, you know, they could put Mac Jones out there and, and Mac Jones performs, when cams not out there, all of a sudden, now, some dominoes start to fall and I can, you know, here, the Patriots fans out there getting all excited, listen to this right now, and I think they should be, you know, a little bit excited, but now it's up to look. All all coaches, all they can do is get players opportunities and it depends on, it's it's dependent on the player to take advantage of those opportunities. It looks like back Jones is going to happen opportunity here, right? And it's it's up to him to see what he does next week. And hopefully the trials and tribulations that he went through today. Like we talked about hopefully he applies them going forward and then all of a sudden he's that much better next week and then all of a sudden the veterans come back for the veteran, minicamp the mandatory minicamp and then all of a sudden, everybody's like, oh wow, this guy can play. I see, I see what's going on here, maybe he is the the right guy for. So this was a another really good step for Mac Jones in my opinion. And I'm a large for the Patriots so far some good optimism and that's really all you can ask for. He's giving everybody a reason to be optimistic. All right, let's talk about Kyle. Van Noy, let's go to the defensive side of the football here dead. He was back in Greg, he was back inside. Yeah, that was, that was interesting now. So Kyle Van Noy, basically was playing inside linebacker today. Now dead, there's a caveat to that because like I said, they were in sub-packages the whole time. So we don't know where he's playing in base, we don't know whether this was Dante, Hightower dependent. The basically he's them to be Dante Hightower to some of the younger guys who are out there who don't know what they're doing, but certainly in his toolbox he's done it before he did it. Basically his whole first year when he got here that he played inside due to injuries and he can do that and we know how many options the Patriots have on the outside. And by way of that chase winovich was the beneficiary of Matthew judon. Not being there again. So he got a lot of reps on the outside and so did Josh. But yeah, but Kyle Van Noy being back seemed to settle things a lot wage. Defense. They seem to they seem to sort of get Confidence from having kvn out there. He almost picked off Mac Jones. He should have it was right in his breadbasket, he dropped it. Did some push-ups month. Um, but yeah, I thought it was interesting that Kyle Van Noy was back and he was playing inside linebacker doing his thing from their amoeba, all that stuff off of it was in full effect and it was a handful for the offense and you know good for the defense but we expected them. I expect them to be way ahead of the offense for some time this summer. Yeah. And and again, that's no. That's your next note, that they are way ahead. And I think when you look at this defense, just overall big picture. It's about being multiple. It's about being versatile. It's about showing offenses, a variety of different things. And we've talked about this and now that you see Van Noy playing inside at today's OTA, it just kind of highlights the thought that we've had you. And I talking about this defense. Yep. Since they went crazy and dropped a bunch of money and free agency, they have a lot of guys that can play some different roles here. You know, whether it's Mills or it's Vannoy, or it's a Hightower can do it off. You know, McCourty can do it from the old school days. They've got a lot of guys who can play in different spots and I think, you know, with Belichick, as we've seen pretty creative guy, right? Pretty pretty smart guy, on that, thought the football and you just feel like he has the chess pieces this year. He's got the chest, no question, or move around the board and, and cause a lot of headaches for quarterbacks, you did mention in, you'll see a notes that missing people during this period right now is not helping. Tell us why. And what you see? Yeah, mostly on the mostly on the offense. I mean, you know, again, that was, it was a lengthy list of you on defense, you didn't have Jude on Gilmore Phillips Jackson, McCourty, Hightower coward, among sort of the big people on offense. You didn't have, you know, Damien hair loss Is watching with his left leg and sleeve. Dalton Keen had his left leg in his sleeve. He's not out there. You have, you know, Sony Michel's, not out there Ramon. DeRay sneaks in both tackles when and brown aren't out there. No jonnu Smith known to kill Harry. So it's, it's it's a tough go for the the offense not having those guys that puts them at a severe disadvantage but you know, look, you can't really say much. It's voluntary. The coaches are very careful to to point that out, but, you know, it's it's not helping things and you hope things really pick up once they get the mandatory minicamp and those guys have to be there. But you know who is out there? Greg's new favorite, a jade roller. And you know, when Greg talks about JJ Taylor so far during this offseason of ours m o t, a s Craig's heart tends to go a flutter a little bit. He finds himself getting a little a little bit, warm inside, thinking about JJ Taylor. And in what I'm seeing so far, what did you see from JJ today? And tell me why you are starting to grow infatuated with the young, man? Yeah, I thought they did a really nice job. Not only taking some of the check downs and making moves. He just the difference in him. From last year to this year. I equate to sort of Gunnar Nelson, Gunnar, Nelson. Should have a group. The Nelsons or what? Yeah, Gunnar Nelson. Guntersville schefsky limit. Yeah, so yeah, so Gunner. Remember we talked about from his rookie year. He looked like he was like, trying out to be the Patriot mascot and then all of a sudden he came down here too and you're like holy cow, he's a man. And he played like a man last year as far as partner Turner, and I see the same sort of thing with JJ Taylor. Like, you know, Jake was nice. And he was a little bit of a gadgety guy but you didn't. When you watched them in practice you weren't just like, all right, this guy's dynamic or a playmaker. Now, all of a sudden this year, you took them and you just like there's something there, he reminds me a little bit more of Damien. Is it was Damian Lewis? That was Dion, Lewis me on Lewis Dion Lewis, a little bit of him off a bit of, you know, James White, a little bit, a little bit of from a lot of diminutive, sort of running backs who have been here. But he does a great job with the check Downs. He he does a great job at the second level faith. Is out. And to me, we're really stood out today. And again, no pads or anything like that. But what really intrigued me was JJ, Taylor at kickoff return, and they were trying different, guys. They're Duggar and a bunch of other guys, but I don't know. I don't want the parent guy. Can we not do that? Can we not go down that would please. I do not want this new road. Yeah, we don't want to do that or Edelman Road wage, but I like I like JJ Taylor and that in that role, I think he's got a little something there. He's a little bit quicker this year and he's got a burst and he's, you know, he's one of those guys who will bounce off, of tackles, and spin around, and keep going. So I'm every day, you know, it's it's like the Mac Jones and JJ Taylor lovefest for me. And I guess I, you know what, I wait for the lineman for the past to come on. That's when I start to get my bank, he's on the offensive and defensive line. So that's got a wait, a little bit. I'm not investing anybody off the underwear Olympics. But yep. Now, Mac Jones and JJ, Taylor have my attention in, you know, along with a guy like Nelson, agholor, who I think has looked tremendous since he's gotten here and, and is everything. The Patriots have hoped he would be. Yeah, I was, I was going to bring up a Galore cuz I feel like still, you know, if there's one player on this roster, that a lot of people, I think that a lot of fans will questions up until they actually see that person. Play it sagol, you know, I think a lot of people remember, they didn't watch him play. I would guess a lot in Vegas last year and, but they remember him from Philly, and they remember him as the guy that drops a lot of passes. And listen, he had a number of drops last year in Vegas. He did not get rid of that problem completely. But from what I read and from what we have talked about you and I he took pretty damn good so far and that would go a long way to help this offense because if he is, you know, the Vegas version of himself and maybe even a little bit better. That's a good receiver, not a great receiver but a good receiver and I don't think you need a great receiver you know if you have the tight ends working and you know I read that Kendrick Bourne had a couple of nice catch today in you know if you got some receivers out there that can make a a player too, it's really all you need with this run game and that's offensive line. Let's jump to the Boston Sports channel, member question of the day, check them out over. FJ, 3999, is the annual plan. Not only do you get top-notch analysis of all the Boston Pro Sports your patch junkie and of course, that's what you are a membership at the SJ gives you access bought a ton of video analysis, that Bernard does on the coaches film and direct access to him and weekly chats. Let's pull out this question from Rob em any chance, Matt Patricia. And this is interesting, it's something I've been wanting to talk to you about, and we haven't even really started yet. This, Matt Patricia roll. Robbed em. Asks, any chance, Patricia is moving into an Ernie Adams roll. That's just wondering. Yeah, I think the way I would term that from talking to people around the team is, you know, let's see what happens. First of all, Ernie Adams is still around. When Belichick announced do you spell? Check announced his quote unquote, I am at that won't. Admit is he, is he Coach K? You know like Coach case with seriously he's going to hang around for a year as he will. Build did say he said this wage earnings last draft. So that's all he said. He didn't say, you know. So I think that Ernie Adams is here. Probably, I would guess at least through training camp, if not long now. So as far as Patricia goes, I would think that I would say that I think his return and what he's doing has been overstated in some places. I would say right now. I'm right now he's just back and they're giving us some things to do and he's being helpful and they're giving them different things. And he's, I would say he's more of a, you know, a special assistant to the head coach, more than anything else. And just that he takes some of the, the the mundane BS off of Belichick's plate that he doesn't have to deal with, and I think that's helpful to Bill and, and of some value and so, but as far as when you talk about Woody be Ernie Adams, quote unquote, that could mean a lot of things that different people. And I think to Rob who I know. Well, as one of our valued members, I think he means like, you know, is he going to be sort of birth? Eyes and ears for Belichick and sort of like, you know, one side of his brain and basically like helping him Coach, you know, certain situations during the games and replays and stuff like that. Matt might do some of that stuff, but I think there's another guy. There's another guy that that Patricia brought with him. I think his last name is Epstein. He is more of a math nerd. Type of guy more along the lines of Ernie Adams that could do some of that stuff. I just don't think that anybody is ever. If you think that somebody is going to feel what Ernie Adams did for Bill Belichick for a bulk of his career. And from from what I've heard, he kind of slowed down in recent years and that's part of the reason why. He's probably not around anymore or he's not going to be going forward doing his same role. But as far as that, I don't think anybody's going to do that. It's it's like saying. All right well. Jones can can Mac Jones be Tom Brady. I mean he could be the starting quarterback of the Patriots and lead them to victories. But is he ever going to be done? Tom? Brady know, you know, is the next quarter is the next coach of Patriots going, is he going to fill the shoes of Bill Belichick? Yeah. But is it going to be Bill Belichick know. Ernie Adams was unique, completely unique to what he did. And I don't think Matt Patricia is capable of that. I don't think there's a lot of people cable that's especially somebody who's goes back to like, you know, prep school, with Bill Belichick. So yes, is Matt Patricia going to do some of that Ernie Adams does. Yes. Do I think he's going to come close to filling the role that Bernie Adams did for Bill Belichick know, and I don't think that's unique to Matt Patricia. I don't think anybody can do it home. You're trying to approximate what you can from what you have left over. Yeah. And maybe it's just a mixture of some people, right at stand-off teen. Whatever the hell. His name is, you know, he could take some of the role Patricia will take some of the role and it's really, it kind of strikes me as like an extreme internship for Patricia almost like, yes. The way they're handling him. Like, he's getting it, he's getting everything right here. He dealt with contracts, he dealt with negotiations. He, he was part of the brain trust when it came to the draft apparently. And, and now he's out on the practice field. He's, you know, he's all around all over the place. He's he's bumping into the conversation between McDaniels and Belichick about cams injury today. You said, like he's kind of just dipping his toe into a lot of different Arenas, and I don't know if we should take any one. Single solitary Focus from him, like maybe this is just the plan. Maybe, maybe he's trying to figure out what the hell he wants to do. We don't know me. Maybe he said to Bill, I don't want to be a coordinator. I don't want to be a head coach wage. And Bill said, okay, well, we'll have you do a bunch of different stuff and you know, maybe you'll wake up one day and it'll be an epiphany. And you'll say, you know what, I like the front office part of it. Now I don't want to do that, so maybe that's what it's all about. The credit card, Patriots podcast, Nick cattles wrapping up another episode. I want to send a shout out to our guy. Mike, who's helping produced this show tonight. He's in his early twenties thoughts, Friday night, and he spent his Friday night with us. Mike's the man. It's a little sad, but we like him, and he's off with his girlfriend. So it's not terrible. But thanks to Mike everybody. Every have a great weekend. Enjoy yourself will be back early next week, with plenty of paths talk again. He's Greg auman

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Get up our next to you I've seen fight night on ESPN plus tomorrow eight eastern with former champion Wanna Jay Chuck taking on Michelle Waterson right now and it begins with the beginning a week six in the NFL patriots giant Tom Brady getting set to try and keep the pats the only unbeaten and AFC again right off the top plus if you think it's impossible to stop Patrick mahomes Jonathan Vilma says think again he's got the recipe member he told you the colts would beat them last week turnover for touchdown Kyle Van Noy it's reviewed and it's ruled a touchdown the Patriots Defense has scored off touchdowns this year than the dolphins and jets offenses combined after play you can't do a congrats on the path into ball out carrying turnovers and creating score with these turnovers the reason the best defense in the League right now is because of the it's a seven nothing lead for Tom Brady under ten minutes ago in the second now Daniel Jones he'd already thrown one pick and he needs to get this ball out of his hands more quickly loop and here comes that menu we're GONNA get up with the Patriots so here's the deal they won they covered their unbeaten the why so many questions we'll ask an answer them I lots of fun being had in here this morning and lots more to come as we begin another hour of get up coming to you as always live from the seaport district seventeen were brought to you by chase this is the right now do you think it's been good enough we'll see or six also Daniel Jones claim without so many of his best weapons on the road last night under two minutes to go scoreless not anymore pats blocked the plot and they take it in for the score this is what the up underneath him he would not return to the game we're still waiting for an update Howard. Tom Brady respond usually pretty well two minutes ago in the half first and ten year midfield that's Brady the Jacoby Myers who he's throwing a guys no one's ever heard St Patrick's Patriots on the move later in the drive thirty six seconds to go brady takes it in diet three and out by the way they punted on fourth and two with seven minutes left and a fourteen point game braiding finds Julian Edelman that's a great catch Brady winds up taking it himself so he house and Bill Belichick can't believe it we're tied at fourteen and then injury added to insult on the play watch the left knee of Josh Gordon's he tries to make the tackle and that thing gets twisted first time he's won a game at home without throwing touchdown since week one of two thousand eight against the chiefs and candidly that was the game that they got knocked out with a knee that he cost him the season that year he's now and then the matchup is set to one for the ages who has the edge in the eight L. C. S. TV cartoon makes pick in this hour of get up which starts make that play and then of course this is what gives the giants life you can get points to outside of the Danny Dunn throws you got a chance to win that's marcus golden taking it to the happy we won happy to get the six now so yeah we we just grind it out pretty good. What's your assessment of where you guys are often wrong zero touchdowns in two of his last three games so the conversation we've been here this morning and we talked about Daniel Jones and we've talked about a Brady and the Patriots it leads to another New England touchdown so it's fourteen nothing but on the next giants possession you know they get back with all the guys they've lost they get golden age and he's going to the house what a throw Steve Steven Gilmore one especially with the tight end on him that was a bad match up and Daniel Jones is GONNA learn from that bad decision but this is an electric the best corner in the game right now Hashtag shutdown Hashtag number one as you through a quarterback size mark watch that Patriot defense play what are you seeing there tough I wouldn't wanNA throw against attack buying time New England Russia basely gets there you have to throw it away young man you'd sit on the arm one of Baltimore sections in the game it's unfortunate here because he played pretty wild try to get a lengthy pause a long pause that Tom had as he was trying to consider the answer to that question it's the and to the Pats were up twenty one fourteen after pretty interesting I ap Mid Fourth Quarter still twenty one fourteen giants and a third of the twenty six and here comes another defense offense which has been struggling to some degree and we work on Jonathan's microphone we'll talk over here for a minute about the Patriots defense because in the NFL right now the defense is that get a lot of attention to the ones the buffalo and in Chicago but if this Patriots Defense Bobby actually the best in Footba statistically they are the best and when you factor in the defensive efficiency rating which the giants defense gets into the action we're GONNA hit Brady and they're gonNA take it in one of the rare times Tom Brady held onto the ball too long coming right behind him on the night go thirty one one three thirty four two rushing touchdowns and the Patriots remain unbeaten thirty five fourteen through through they're going to put pressure on special teams and chase one of its fields this does a great job taking it to pay dirt tap I shouldn't say the Patriots blocked it because it actually hit nate stupar but one way or another to do what what bill belichick ask them to do their job to get pressure on the quarterback they stopped the running game and when you turn the football over like that you're gonNA put Tom Brady weights officiated the way the rules are put together the defenses are not no matter how good you are you're not just gonNA stop offense as cold so to her point can you may gain changing kind about defense to and right now that defense has been really good now the question is do they have enough weapons on the offense maybe the answer will come in the form of that guy you saw rob Gronkowski making his turnovers getting takeaways giving points on the board I don't care if you have five hundred yards if we have five turnovers in that game we're winning period it feels to me like the way the game is played a high bar in such a high standard he's pissed he's not okay with just winning you wants to win the right way he wants to score points and wants to help this team and it's hard for them right now because he's just he's shorthanded of plays and that is turnovers leading points in that not only did they tape one into the house last night and obviously the special teams they also had a pick up set up a short thereby Daniel Jones puts it right on his great catch by golden say he was the only guy making any points last night for Danny Dan what's fourteen seven and then hold on the much-maligned through the greatest quarterback of all time bill belichick made his mark as a great defensive coordinator that what he was under bill parcells before he became what he is now so he knows a thing wants these guys are really supporting that team and as you guys know as players there's three phases offense defense and special teams the offense is a little bit down right now and you see Tommy's frustrated because he has set he hasn't put his retirement papers in so we can follow I think everyone had that reaction wall hasn't act debut as an analyst on Fox last night but patriots owner Robert Kraft on the pre-game on NFL network had this to say have you guys had but the rest of the team is picking up defense and special teams and that's okay through this stretch but they've got to get better I want to emphasize turnovers we're we're watching highlights of the turnovers that is the single most important step outside of points against for any defensive I remember my championship run Super Bowl championship run all we cared about was greeny that takes into account that they've played terrible offenses so far there's still the best and his starts outside we're Stephen Gilmore he's the best record in the NFL allows them to do some you know closing the door on that much more on this football Friday as we go but there was another game of enormous consequence last night and it went about the way you might have expected raise conversations about him maybe stop them back in the game and we all love Gronk and then the bottom line is different things and I kind of liken this back a little bit to the Patriots of the two thousands of their title on the perimeter a hall of Famer and then they had ten other guys out there elite technically filed his retirement papers is he coming back I think eventually comes back because I think when he gets a call from Tom in the pants are ten in one or twelve and one Stroz for all the marbles the Yankees are waiting to Winter Garrett Cole Against Tyler Glasnost and Glasnost would later say I looked at the film and I realized I was tipping might pitches and and maybe an offense that struggling a little bit in a good situation goose score the football terrell reverse who knows a thing or two about great corners tweeted last night watching the game Gilmore by far the I write back to the gap in right center that one off a curveball Michael Brantley will score altoona on his horse he comes around three nothing astros that we take a four nothing lead after one Erdem in the first inning with runners at the corners Jose Altuve as sending one to write George Springer scores Astros were up one nothing next batter Alex Bregman second verse pretty much same as the third disguised? I'm Mark Sanchez Days It's worth pointing out for those who may not remember or be aware that while they have won all these champions need him to win the good enough he can't hurt because if you bring you now take away roster spot of someone who has been contributing you got to get this guy acclimated how many games has vault eight innings to hits ten strikeouts astros tack onto more and they advance six one the final they play the Yankees starting tomorrow night facing he goes down the next batter is Kevin here Meyer that's eighty eight mile an hour change colours group fourth inning facing Travis d'arno swinging so it was a dogfight for five games really You know we finish it awesome unbelievable defense that's a really clutch hitting so you know it's Morning and thanks again before we get to that series it let's talk about Garrett Cole many may not know he is an impending free agent and so not only did he pitches team into the last night but he so again Houston in the AFC for the third straight year one shy of their total over the I fifty five seasons as a franchise they take on the Yankees it's the fifth ever elsie old so they're doing the things that the great defensive this Eric and they do it not just with great players like I said I mean it's it's the fact they play Smart Defense Divas of guys you wash Phil you see the beginning the snapshot at the snap is not what you see after the ball is snapped a quarterback had changes dramatically and that's one who is giving young quarterback so much trouble a historic season and the teams that are GonNa want him are big market clubs for instance I went to Ucla Southern California guys twelve just can't he realistically week Nine Week Ten week whatever just step right in and be gronk it's going to be difficult I'm going to say yes because I really wanted to happen the angels who are trying to become relevant again you have to think you're gonNA make a big run their the dodgers who have won the world series since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and good way of finding a way to to be at our beds when we need it the most we're gonNA need more moments like that for the rest of this postseason but it does come through Houston this next series we got a big one ahead they've made himself a whole bunch of money with his performance well yes he's going to make an enormous amount of money in free agency he's twenty nine years old he'll be coming off an and I just want to see that text like hey bro come back from Tom Com catch ten more towel and I it's not happening it could not happen could of Gronk gats through six to the eighth inning we go coal approaching one hundred pitches but still throwing ninety eight Landau goes down that will be for coal as he will get here myron occurred this morning that Garrett Cole has a chance to strike out four hundred guys this year combining the regular season and the postseason Sandy Colfax finished on a very bad note this year and they have so much money maybe they make a run at him and of course the Yankees have been waiting for that perfect picture back to the play so guard back to the bench I wasn't a dirt on a slider sixth-inning G. Man Choi that's ninety eight miles an hour on the fastball aged astros do not have a weakness the Yankees have have not played any better this year than they are right now they completely dismantled a really good mhm along and they've saved their money so well the Yankees have to be included in this and again it's a historic season greedy devoy Hembo sent a note out the total QB on since entering the League against teams with winning records mahomes is throwing for three hundred and sixty six yards a game this year that would be an NFL record before he will get to that he and his teammates will take on the Yankees and so this is the that we've all sort of seen coming and wanted to get and it begins tomorrow night in Houston how do you see and Cole would not need much more than that he had to go on all night long it's astros four one eric sogard had hit a home run and then cold settles in that is Joey Wendell. NFL here and it's a showdown Sunday with the chiefs hosting the Texans and two of the League's Best Young quarterbacks facing Patrick Mahomes into Shawn Watson the top two quarterbacks laying out well I think it's going seven games I think it's going to be one of the Great LCS is we've ever seen these are two elite teams on every level doesn't look like he's ready to come back but that's another issue I wouldn't want to cover the most important things as you said if the Patriots of twelve and one thirteen one hello they're winning they don't they don't need grog they don't you guys the Astros have they felt almost unbeatable sport has changed so much we'll see if the Yankees in their bullpen can do it thank you have a wonderful weekend enjoy the Games we'll see you next week meanwhile I go back to the nineteen sixty five Randy Johnson two thousand one are the only pitchers to have four hundred strikeouts at the season he has a shot at that that's extraordinary perspective both twenty four years old they were drafted to piss apart they were born three days apart they are in my view the future of the NFL but I'll give you all the credit in the world you sat here last week window enclosed at that circle quarterbacks of that he could not get that ball out or scramble so now you change it up again to get all day long it's pressman according to one FM next Gen stats they first and second in passing yards and touchdowns when taking at least five seconds to release the football so I did the thing earlier this morning on these two guys EMC opponents that is the longest streak in franchise history so something's got to give back to these two guys both have been among the best at improvising when things break down line he thinks I can on a moving train I didn't have to go through training camp I have to deal with the nonsense and I have a chance to another super bowl every one of us his defense though or Houston's defense I should say ranked twenty fifth in passing yards allowed per game Texans on the flipside enter this game having won their last five on the road against unstoppable Patrick Mahomes one you have to have the corners colts have the corners that can run and run for playing tight pressman coverage all game long because they're going to get a few throws but you're going to be able to to solve the to stop them slow them dash yet the two corners the two safeties tops showing double high safety which is in for an epic series here and I would be really surprised if it didn't go seven games yeah timmy you and I grew up in a time where he just looked at the team starting pitchers you said you got the and then the defensive ends are able to rush a little bit differently when you can play that type man coverage so this is not going to be I'm stopping Patrick Mahomes it's I'm slowing down committed oh so he's a stepping so you're telling me any player can just step ball off the street and is run any game right now they've got plenty of weapons and right now he's mahomes plans leading the Texans to win this game well the kicker is Brian cushing and their strength staff like I said we were tested and we responded well we had to hit in the face twice so I like the way that we answered the bell one of the things I love about this team is the the moments never too big really Ryan's Matt Patricia say they didn't win the game but they did slowdown mahomes where did he trained under Bill Belichick Defensive Coordinator for the Houston Texans Romeo Kamini Soda Team I still like the Astros and seven because of the strength of that starting pitching and that lineup is so good also but I think we're I laughed at you when you said the colts are going to beat Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs and what did you see there and what are you seeing right now the teams could do defensively to stop the seemingly he's good you know I came over I would like to see John Caspian Gainesville at some point during this kind of well so we'll see anyway Robert Kraft clearly S. between teams that won one hundred Games Astros won the head to head season series between these teams four games to three so that should be a classic in Timmy Kirk Chanel WanNa talk to you first of all uncovered and this is what Mahomes sees he sees developing routes we're tight man coverage and then a robber at the linebacker position which allows the secondary to play tight pocket is incredible when he's off schedule but he's also not only is he hurt tyreek Hill is hurt Sammy Watkins hurt their left tackles out Kareem Hunt Shawn Watson holding the ball too long not protection from the offensive line now he's now the offensive lines protecting the Shawn Watson Dangerous I better let me get up and go around the NFL first bengals wide receiver at probably not a bad idea still to come on get up on what planet is that not pass interference it wasn't last night even after review what do we make of this rule we're talking oh where did he train bill belcher they're going to so they similar and how much of a factor is mahomes ankle we saw last weekend he's he's he's going to play on I mean he's working with lesser cast then Watson has Watson's got fuller he's got hoppy Andre Hopkins Yeah they've got now living them only seventeen points a game so that you can get twenty points a game against that terrible Kansas City defense a really interesting that game that game plan started with the Detroit the warriors beat the timberwolves one forty three to one twenty three and listen to these numbers steph curry shooting the ball from the floor last night fourteen of nineteen from the floor AJ green final year of his deal while he worked his way back from injury head coach. Zack Taylor shut down any speculation that they would trade their star wide receiver saying quote we're not tree he probably will not be at his athletic best. How much of effect is that it's not just that that's huge right because if we're splitting hairs and we're picking a quarterback Deshaun Watson is a little better does Patrick Mahomes okay I can try to catch the on this corner out now the big key was the pass rush if you look at the way Justin Houston and Kemoko terrain were pass rushing a fuller involved right there he had a massive game majority of his big plays off of the play action six for six from Watson right there fourteen yards over so he's up enrolling so is Steph Curry who put on a show last night at the brand new chase center he dropped Forty Point Steph did in twenty five minutes of action about it plus are Jalen Rose said on this show Lebron? MD and the Lakers are his favorite to win at all the Stephen A. Agree he chimes in as we continue next you're Ralway main event to order the main card in English and Spanish go to ESPN PLUS DOT COM and be sure to download the ESPN APP if you're watching on your mobile device Rhode Dabo Sweeney we'll be live with them all that more coming up this morning on ESPN we're back and actor that I'm finding Houston is playing better sneaking big news they're giving him a little bit more protection if they do right because I was always the big got sixty times exactly it was a combination of reading that Guy Mark what should they do with Jay Green I mean this is a guy you really don't want to leave the building especially a funding Andy Dalton please God don't let this go listen this is terrible so the warriors are playing building now and they built the tunnels behind the basket which means no more of the pre-game Tunnel Shot for Steph Curry coaching get up on ESPN and then right after we wrap at ten o'clock eastern this morning Stephen who joins us live from the campus of the national champion Clemson Tigers I take it colts over chiefs all that more on the way this half hour get up. ESPN long tried his best last night but he acknowledges this is going to be very hard to keep the tradition alive I did shed a tear about the tunnel shot tonight a six of nine from three and as you see he added six rebounds and

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"I'm Chris Carter this right here is nick right we are all coming off a late night of watching football so it's going to be a spicy variety show for you at home he's the first things first I'm general that's the hall of fame. VP rankings we did on the show and he is only upped his play week by we keep played a perfect football game last night Kyle Van Noy one of the players that says touchdown pass go up twenty eight fourteen later in the fourth Tom Brady would punch it in for his second rushing touchdown of the game oldest player this is this a great team they didn't look to me like a great team last night they didn't look like a great offense last night they looked like a team that not only was taking advantage of the schedule I five games and now the six games are the Patriots team or are they taking advantage of shockingly they have won a soft schedule will they are one of the it's the events a great defense led by Corner Stefan Gilmore has to be the leading contender for defensive player of the year through a few weeks he had made the ever by the way with two rushing touchdowns pats win thirty five fourteen to remain undefeated at six here is Tom Brady after the win great defense the Defense and special teams have scored five touchdowns the defense has allowed three touchdowns. That's how good this defense foxborough you got Tom Brady and the Patriots hosting the giants race I pass of the game it'll go nineteen yards to Sony Michelle and with that he moves past but in this schedule this team being depleted due to injuries I don't think you could watch last night's game and more injuries rack up for the Patriots on the offensive side best defensive teams through six weeks of the season the league's ever had every number says so who regular stats like points per game allowed advanced that you guys always just say we're system guys in we don't get enough credit he had a nice little our name names well Kyle van Noy Scoop and score he did the thing they teach you not to do in seven but that Pat's top ranked defense would prevail forcing the fumble and then returning it there it is twenty two yards remaining for second most passing yards all time next up by the way drew brees later in the first giants punt is blocked boy the pets do that a lot rookie chase win with the scoop and score gets the pats on the board seven nothing second quarter giants get back in this Daniel Jones finds golden state that's a sixty four yard touchdown giants with Eh one grouping there in the second half I don't think that's ever happened in twenty years but defense played great special teams play great outside stats like they all say this is an all time great defense we are watching that might be led by for the first time in my memory on a patron on Sunday that's GonNa be a great match up the rams might be without Todd Gurley when the niners come to town but we gotta start with some Thursday night football in coach of all time and a quarterback who gets more of a benefit of doubt than any quarterback ever because he's earned it but I don't think there's a great football team because one major facet and feel great about where their offense is even though you in the game you see they have thirty five points this is a special defense the greatest the few plays you know that would have been pretty good so we're hanging in there I nick this is the question that we've been asking for third normal September struggle so new England out of respect three times back to back to back super bowls I'll give them that but this is the least offensively I think that right now we'll reserve great and say right now we got some good teams Kansas City's good San Francisco is good greatness of their game the offense I don't think that good right now in most of the time in the NFL especially with parody they're not a lot of great teams in the Leisure now which see we one happy to get to know so yeah we we just grind it out pretty good kind of forced into one group of is teams that will have great seasons teams that will have great units and the Patriots we know you're great organization their defense we're going to give them that ah they're really talented and we expected them to be great but when we looked at the schedule we knew the schedule was going to be very very saul we didn't think they were going to have doing loom which is reached for the pylon peak into being a touchback but he goodness it was eighty four right absolutely because that game was still in the balance at that point in time this is a great I mean they are mash unit like bear they only have one tied in it was last night there was healthy at the end of the football game so when you look at the holes that they have got the defense and special teams scoring couldn't bloom right I mean that's what it means is a and that's why the margin of error for teams that are great announced is playing at a level of greatness but I would say it's a combination we give them credit we thought the defense was going to be good you cannot replace all the we'll have to see a lot more and what does say about this patriots team that the last two weeks against Washington now gets the giants they were both in those games yeah you could say they have a cupcake schedule but they play two teams that aren't supposed to be very good that we're within striking distance of the New England patriots blow teams out when you don't have a great offense the I mean that's what it means what it means Oh bills the Chicago bears and the New England Patriots now obviously you trust Brady more than entrust trubisky Josh Allen I'm not saying they're the same but what those three teams have in common is their offense is the big question mark on their team we saw it again last night with knowing yeah we do trust Radi more we're Brady's the only one of those three two can't move eighty won't be armed strength it won't be old it's the wear and tear the licks from Washington game last night the overall toll on his body it this is a different type of formula we have right now the three best defenses in football all have one thing in common you do not trust their offense that is the buffer when they look great they are blowing people out because they're you know what I mean you've got to try to keep pace with them you get out of your game they can be up thirty one to thirteen and coast home founded offensive players last night they lost Josh Gordon you could see that offensive line they're going to continue to have problems weekend and week out there tight ends considered one even though I consider him obviously the greatest quarterback of all time man he's got tough job right now the offensive line is not very good and those I don't know who he's throwing replacement level players all along the skill position that's got to be a concern for New England as they approach the portion of their schedule history will we kind of go way back from early college days being able to you know work out in California think Tom Brady is going to be discussed moving forward he didn't throw a touchdown he had to restaurants but didn't throw a touchdown hasn't looked fantastic over the course of the last couple of weeks yes part of it's the offense so with questionable offense lines and that offensive line to we are going to be talking about that offense and it will be storyline of the season because if tom in the first half and it's nine seven with thirty seconds left even though you end up pulling away it's going to be close last night it's twenty one fourteen in the fourth Brady got hit we're not expecting it which is something you almost never see his his pocket awareness is so great but also while I've been of the there aren't many Tom Brady critics so I'm kind of go team last night was the least how team of the last four years so typically we don't it's hard to reach greatness early in the season that d both franchise quarterbacks have led their teams to first place in their respective divisions and with Sean and mahomes facing off for the first time in their careers the two already ASCII I don't know who that is Jacoby Myers undrafted free agent who had a nice pre season right now he's there second-best Healthy Receiver Age Julian Edelman Great Defensive Teams would struggle offensively so much smaller because you can't get a team in the negative you can hold it teams zero your team to seven but if you're up in struggles like it didn't wash climbed up part of it might also be Tom Brady threw little pick in this third straight game had the strip sack where he just thought he thought his tight end was going to be able to push that guy away from him he wasn't able to in California together with Jordan Palmer and I differ other coaches and and through college and different camps so you know we're real real good friends and and have a lot fins and chiefs battle of the class of twenty seventeen quarterbacks to Shawn Watson the twelfth overall pick and Patrick mahomes taken two spots ahead of him so like if you were even so take let's the other team in the AFC the chiefs this week notwithstanding great offense really questionable defense uh let's let's talk about one of the Marquee NFL match ups this weekend text into being bill O'Brien Aaron Houston he's never won a big road game never there he doesn't have a single what you would call quality road win against a mutual friends and kind of things in common yeah I actually got to meet them in college we think we're both going into our junior year we went to a little Deandra Hopkins who does everything receiver can do it and elite level except for speed there in Dijon Watson's ability to read the field and to beat you with quarter up until that Kyle and by the way the Patriots defense or special teams had already scored a touchdown still close right on another blocked punt. He threw for five touchdowns now he's not gonNA throw five touchdowns every time he's kept clean but were there wide receiver weapons will fuller who is an excellent speed threat his legs if he's not in constant duress he is without question one of the five best quarterbacks in football and for Patrick mahomes where they just signed Stefan was new ski out of that Offensive Line is going to be replacement level. Jj Watt Whitney Mercilus have created quite the pass rushing new even without genetic uncloudy there for the quarterback tyreek Hill is going to be back this week to be able to make plays to one of their many talented receivers that to me will be the key to this game with one smaller because they're left guard Andrew Wylie was hurt he might start this weekend the left tackle Eric Fisher is still dealing with that core muscle injury that he had surgery about the left Cuba camp out in California and I got to meet them in talk to him and kind of we kinda did back and forth about how he did his stuff and Clemson and holiday myself a Texas tech and going to rely number eighty yesterday and I was like I swear to God at Amendola on the team anymore and what was Gunnar Olshevsky I think is his name elections standpoint it becomes key as far as the void and Sax last week I thought you made a great point as far as the Sean there's only two games he hadn't been sacked in assist these quarterbacks Jenna in doing their job first of all protection wise you can't have a great deal of protections to Texans the way they get into the backfield for their best players Andy Reid actually said he went asked about to Shawn Watson he said look. These are very similar quarterbacks both very smart both have great vision in the passing game great feat great kind of been able to stay in touch a little bit he's a great player he he's a great player for a long time had success at every level he played at and it'll be a great challenge for us as a team to get to go up against a team of that caliber which one these coaches is going to be to protect their quarterback. I know most of the tension most of the conversation will be about the quarterbacks because they're that good but who will you talked about the sax the tackles for losses so the team Defensive Front will Chris Jones get back to the level that he played at last year but I believe that the Texas have down in distance because that's when you can force Patty Mahomes to drive the ball down the field and create turnover so we'll bill O'Brien do that willie build and in those games he's been amazing ten total touchdowns in that so most of these coaches to me are under the spotlight as far as trying to create an advantage Houston Texans they have nine sacks fourteen tackles for loss five four fumbles combined between those two players so who's who's offensive line can hold up long enough for the advantage going against the chiefs offensive line because it's about negative plays how many tackles for losses how many sacks ten they create that put the chiefs in unfavorable it's GonNa be fun to watch especially with both quarterbacks where they are what do you think the key will be to this matchup who can protect their quarterback better without question their careers because statistically they remarkably similar they both won seventeen games in this league now mahomes only as five losses to Shawn's ten because to Sean started more games his they do it on a consistent basis and from a coaching standpoint which one these coaches are going to have some type of supportive running game so the defense doesn t all so from a pastor leadership both came into the League already knowing how to throw so there are one step ahead of some of these other veteran quarterbacks who have taken a couple years how similar are these two athletes all season was leading up to shout out by the way Jose Altuve who last night became the all time major league leader for postseason home runs by a second baseman I should teams even if you don't necessarily have the personnel to colts head especially on the offensive line you should try to mimic as much as you can what they did series with three home runs nick this is the matchup that we all wanted the astros in the Yankees would you WanNa see here I'm so excited for this this is what the entire baseball -ASEBALL the Houston Astros against the best lineup in baseball Chris's New York Yankees I'm so glad Garrett Cole pitch that Jimmy did last night eight eight innings to hit very very good athlete it's hard to say someone into Sean is a better pure athlete I can probably do more athletic things pat him homescan Jones is going to play I don't think the chiefs trick Chris Jones to play he's their best defensive Lineman even though they gave Frank Clark all that money he's the best interior passenger and run stuffer it's been the difference in what the he each has been supported with what what each has had to deal with I think Chris your point on the running game a really interesting one because I don't think window Shawn Watson is kept clean he's as good as any thoughts last week zero sacks for the second time in his career he has been sank zero times in a game both of those times because it's not just because they went to arrowhead and won their ability to keep the chiefs off the field was better than any team has done in this entire many Patrick Mahomes era you think about that Jose Altuve as ruined he's got another decade playing baseball out of became the all time leader in postseason run for a second baseman this is the best team that's what the Texans maybe should do I don't know what they will do Astros escape the division any plan major league baseball so it's hard to say guys a better athlete guy that could be a two sport but right obviously is pat in homes is one of the best throwers at the ball he sean has been sacked ninety nine times in his career patrimonial insect thirty five times wow so almost three times the sacks in only five more games it's get the ball up and down if it means short being intermediate down the seams and he's war accurate than than than Sean and the biggest difference what they've experienced CJ Moseley in the middle on the great linebackers came over from Baltimore they paid him all that money we haven't seen a whole bunch of him it's hard to run a defense and the jets I'm trying to match points with the chiefs and Sean mahomes dual if that happens as greatest show on is I think that favors the chiefs heavily if they try to do with the colts did the numbers this season slowest start of his career that could affect deck you've also got to key players hobbled with injuries tackles tyron Smith and welcome what the Texans be committed to running the football which is where the chiefs have been able to be had last year and this year or are you going to get caught up in really good opponent so they the Texans would are you trying to do something they have they have not done yet since Bill O'Brien has been the coach Bill O'Brien and Andy Reid to me there too key to the game around last night beating the race six to one they advance to the AL to face the New York Yankees and man Jose Altuve was a big reason why finish the in this game and they're gonNA lean on the play action pass because when you have offense of line problems we'll start to see this as a theme going throughout the season last week's game on Sunday the cowboys face the Owen Ford jets who finally get there great grey serious yeah race had a great series but it's nice to see the astros playing the Yankees which is what here fan of the game this is what you want the Astros top three pitchers ninety six million last night's Game New England plex pass was the number one pass why you can't depend on offensive line I can utilize tidying there's more security there's less received in yards allowed and they are on one of the most historic Red Zone streaks futility I've ever seen I heard this stat during last week's jets game and I could not believe it they were defense is bad not only as far as pointed they're giving up not only Russian pass in ratings so they can't stop the quarterback opposing quarterback and they can't stop you from Allen's that could also very well affect deck see what do you expect from the cowboys on Sunday honestly the cowboys to get well when you're talking about the defense is absent Over forty consecutive trips that the opponent has made to the Red Zone that the opponent has gotten points it's been over forty straight times that they failed to force a turnover amid running the football so this is a gay writing for Dallas look for them with their banged up offensive line to be able to get Zeke I'd be shocked Zeke doesn't get twenty carries escape one home run and that was it because it sets this matchup that'd be waiting for all you it is a classic match I'm looking forward to it we got our stage manager Joe like Yeah Brigham Nationals League the Question For Dallas is all about those two guys you mentioned and I'm not talking about Dak Prescott no Tyron Smith no lyle collins and so how can fifty five possessions of their own without getting into the red zone the jets are miserable and now they'll be better with SAM darnold but they're still right now one of the worst football teams you're going to be on your backup left tackle who played very poorly and then Green Bay game and then your backup backup tackle on the right hand side how big of an issue rookie season they both thrown for seventy two hundred yards in this league they both have won moms at sixty one touchdowns to destroy owns fifty six the difference is this in his career down favorites on the road and they should be because of the lack of talent overall on the jets team but I do want to see how this team looks without Tyron Smith and Lyle Collins Senate thigh contusion niners coming off a big win over Cleveland look into remain atop the NFC west. Chris Carter who's got the edge Sunday on Fox I'm a believer in San Francisco Order Back Dallas get it their quarterback Dallas looking at bounceback from their two-game skid questions mounting about Ezekiel Elliott that are injured it out and obviously affects the vision rivals going at it this year the raise as a team sixty four million this so the fact that even guy at five on Astros I think we're hold of the Jared Goff and the rams playing host Jimmy G. and those undefeated San Francisco Forty niners golf might be without his all pro running back todd Gurley who's been mind having to raise it should be a great great series I hope it doesn't take something away from the world series because what's happening on the other side but this should be field goal stop turnover on downs anything you get to the reds on the jets are coming away with at least three if not seven and they had they also had gone something like because I'm not certain that they will have tyrant Smith and Lyle Collins back the following week when they play arguably their biggest game of the year against the Philadelphia Eagles so this could be Klay just show on to better athlete than Patrick Mahomes patron homes about thrower I think that would you disagree with either one of those yeah I think it's both them ago I believe this is the first big message game I don't believe it was the Monday night game I believe methodically they felt like they had a huge advantage going against the browns but into the route but there's more protection and that's what I expect the Dallas cowboys to do no they have a weaker tackle on the left you know you have a weaker tackle on the right let's play it passer rating allowed their defense has been awful why well because they can't stop the pass over the might have a decent passer rating they're allowing for their bottom ten pass is that now the jets hadn't been able to get to quarterback this year they're thirtieth in the NFL and sack percentage so maybe this is a game where you can work some things out and the cowboys are touched it's the same in Green Bay teams that you know will be vying for playoff spots now the jets aren't in that in that category but let's be a little mall smart and Kella more you got to be a little more creative all right you're very good to I three games you went back to the rear window fill the last two games again you WANNA be in the same position Sean mcvay cal Shanahan they want to be in the same position they thought last year because their quarterback third week of the season he gets a good test case how will they look against Philli which obviously is a better pass rush than the jets and everyone talks about well let's get Zeke more and conduct to it's a domino effect if you have those two this year I don't think they're about to lose three games in a row this game at home the niners by the way they've been dealing without Joe Staley now they're going to be without Mike mcglinchey it looks like in this game the rams and that will be race all the questions will who have they play this is the game for the forty niners this is the game that John Lynch when he added all those points with Godwin and Mike Evans even the way Seattle was able to add in some regard with Tyler Lockett and I don't while I don't think the rams are the super bowl team they were like left television and they put all that responsibility and making them that general manager and I'm pulling for John Lindsay is a great guy and they brought cal Shanahan the year before that your creative in know your weakness and has to tackles on offense net quick point on the jets for you to the cowboys even though the jets are top ten in the league in yards per Russia a number of reasons one is Sean McVeigh's ten in one with extra time to prepare either coming off a bye at Thursday night game beginning of the season the one loss was to the superhuman bill this is the type of games that they thought that they would be playing when they pitched this idea to the owner this was the games they thought they'd be in San Francisco and the forty niners are back in the go-to besides George Kendall but I believe this is the message game for them any team in the NFL knows the best way to in the playoffs is win your division and you re got on Defense Richard Sherman would be another year removed from his Achilles tear to build stabilize that secondary now they still don't have another wide receiver for Jimmy Garoppolo I don't know exactly who the niners are just yet I know therefore no but I also know that four no is coming against Tampa cincy Pittsburgh and Cleveland della checks so against as worn sharp put it mortal coaches he's undefeated with extra time to prepare second of all the one place where the rams have been the most susceptible this year they play Seattle twice they play Green Bay they played Baltimore they play New Orleans and play the rams again this'll be a good test case for how they will fare over that final half of the year when the schedule we know they're going to be without kyle US check so so much of that power running game they've been elite at how how will they be in this football game so I so this is one that I think it'll surprise you but because I've been very skeptical of the rams picked them miss the playoffs but I actually disagree with you on this one I think there's a get right game for the rams and really hard but I think the rams even with potentially without Todd Gurley find a way to win this game and get back on the right that's what I want to ask you about and you touched on this yesterday the big injury news is that now curly has a thigh contusion whether or not it's related to the arthritic knee who knows but are the rams and the point where they just they just can't really depend on him anymore week to week I mean he's playing they didn't think the browns were that good didn't have any respect for the browns in this game respect game they got a lot of respect for what the rams are doing the way they built their team okay but he's played in minimal spots now might not even play that's the reality that's why use third round pick a lot of faith in a guy no you don't use a high draft pick respect it's not in the media you get respect from the guys in the league that have been winning and that comes with Seattle they gotta be legitimate and they got to build a B is that when you've been the doormat division and you and it's time to start facing those teams have been beaten you I think the rams had beat them four times in a row those are the games that and so I I am GonNa if they win this football game then you can say Ori San Francisco because they're real tough stretch of games final eight games lakes he's got takes I have a couple of weeks here's what we got going on over the course of the next three hours does Shawn Watson Patrick Mahomes they're facing off in Kansas City doll put their plans on hold for two thousand and nineteen so would they do they went out and got Nikki Bosa at him to the other four first round picks in the back end of their defense to leave peters are not playing great I don't know that the niners have the personnel to take full advantage of that the way Tampa did when Tampa like that to put a quality player in your program if you believe in a guy who a year before you made the highest paid running in history so they know they made a mistake but they can't admit that they made a mistake but this will be the story of Todd Gurley now back to nick as far as the Knicks Point Marcus fear and to lead thirty A._M.. Eastern for Chris Carter Nick Right on Jenna Wolfe so on everybody how much do you put the browns woes on Odell or on the relationship between Odell and Baker or just coming up a little bit short this season up with zero up to two and four because now you have another problem now you have your face another team has built with physicality and and you got a lead quarterback naked elevate his players around technique peters no technique once he gets into the game to leave for looking a little old at corner so when you look at these matchups in games you when you start getting anointed and crown start talking stuff speaking on other people rosters I told you guys Monday about how knew that he had piss people off how both was tackling we're trying to make them fall on his face right so now what happens is you we always talk about the Sophomore slump right and we have really seen the current quarterbacks come back and right over the top almost over the top of the upright just barely misses after a terrible delay of game penalty it the rams will be in real rough shape and what looks like the toughest division what is San Francisco going to do to build a help out there wide receivers and there's not one player in their offense if he's not there they take either power running game Joe Staley's out he's the best player that they have they steal power run the ball now they will miss fool back but they will run the same state that type of pressure and that many bodies into the box I'll have to be a great route runner all I got to do is get a good play fake and it's just meaning you my speed versus how in people have run on the rams this is going to be the best running team in the NFL when we get done San Francisco if the if you're right if San Francisco wins this game take that scrappy physical de can run through tackles so now you look at Baker Mayfield what is he at the face this week and I didn't hear talking about yeah we're two and three well go ahead even though you look at the roster that you're going to Cleveland has a better roster but now he has the face you know cloudy and Ziggy so now what happens when he flush now those ages bowl but I think they find a way to win the niners when they're in great shape five phenomenal concerns but they also when you not the quarterback part not yet but what you described with Seattle sounds a lot like Baltimore and they played their best game of the season steps back nope he's one of the first guys to take that have that sophomore slump and take a step back but as for reason is because they thought that he was ready to take more to playbook win this game on Sunday it's GonNa be very hard to survive this first half of the year yeah that's going to be a difficult situation for Cleveland because the style for which they're trying to play they wanna play the Arizona when you have Miami when you have a wounded Pittsburgh team twice these need survive this first half of the year but with the game after this one being at New England if they don't take more ownership when the offense too early so now he's trying to do too many things because he doesn't have the Weapons Eddie need it remember I said earlier this week to his house was built on Straw and the rams are in real real trouble did you go from three zero to Owen three with especially the stomach punch loss remember they lost last week Greg's airlines field goal eating because he's the guy that's the guy you know we know Dell's guys that can catch a slant and taking eighty five we saw it against the jets but we know land used to tough guy that much on on the outside and one thing San Francisco Gut say Godspeed keys good all right so next door they're going to get the best looks only you don't have to be a great receiver when I can Ford a lot of what you said except that last point I would not be shocked off the browns win this game okay. Their season has gone loss win loss win loss they've been the definition of inconsistent which is now he wasn't trying to run for his life he was picking a guy getting his eyes on them and letting it fly to them and that's why we saw the league ability that's why we saw the rookie is guided and I think it speaks to one Chris's concerns which is how many guys in that locker room had been through a playoff race how many of those guys locker room have touchdown record that's why we saw the accuracy I still believe that Baker Mayfield as leader but you have a lot of things to build learn about this league Freddie Kitchens I put on Baker Fake Phil that's usually what happens website's he scratched a nerve and when you know what it is when you scratch a nerve with the veterans and the players in the League a game plan because what they have now Jarvis Landry has been very consistent their problems have not been it's not bakers fault it's not Oh BJ's Baltimore presents a lot of those same problems so I think Cleveland's got some realis- shoes and I think Oh del looking for the bright side and two and three is a little miss receivers one tight end one back spread the field out still run the ball spread for Mason they like Calloway all right the trouble receiver just coming off a suspension you can see they tried to get him in the game plan Odell throwing the ball as much he's throwing the ball it lets you know they're trying to get involved in the game plan not the way you get a star receiver involved in playoff success because two and three dozen feel that bad yeah if you're used to own five if you're used to one and four but if you're used foreign one if you're used to competing for division two and three meaning his tackles are so weak that it doesn't matter who you have a receiver if I don't have the time for survey survey monkey and all I can do is throw quick stuff to landry you see landry does feel awful now the browns they're season's not over and we all knew that the back half of their schedules where things really soft and when you have Cincinnati twice when you have fault is their offensive line's fault because when you have a bad offensive line that becomes hard to play well Baker's plan in the League he went the he didn't see last year because he wasn't scrambling set he tries to release escape he's GonNa get pulled up throwing off the back foot and that's what a passes are gonNA come they are in trouble in trouble right now so I hung forty on Baltimore Russell Wilson no right no I get that part of it that's why I said not the elite quarterback part but we are talking about the problems that Seattle's defense good present not the Kinda guy that can lead in a culture he's gotta learn he hasn't won since he's been in the League he's GonNa play off one times so for the thing that they point when you have when you need a win desperately OBI's they don't need to be talking about getting need volume getting involved you need a win and Obi Jay he's understand what it takes to win ten game what it takes to win your division they don't Freddie kitchen and understand when locker room understands who and onto the eagles now they're getting ready for the Viking Sunday that game on Fox the last time philly played in Minnesota they were hoisting five hundred. CC WHO's got the edge in this game eagles or Vikings I gotta say the Eagles the Eagles right now given the Vikings offensive line problems and now where's the championship pedigree where's a playoff pedigree where's the peak care experience where is the leadership so when they're on the road sometime there are different team we believe that that's what pretty trophy but this season both teams are sitting at three into both teams with question marks surrounding their offense and both teams hoping for a win to stay above the last couple of years they've made a number of changes but they're still the weakest unit that they have on their team which exposes kirk cousins who is kirk cousins were trying to replace the real socks they're soft over there in Baltimore right now Neil they look good they're flashy and they have some physical players they're soft at the edges they're not bobby wagner isn't going to allow niche up to run crazy they're going to keep them Baker have to go through eight and twelve play drives he can't sustain it because all they have to do is get one offense of continuity problems the vikings are a running team after the last couple years dominated by the tandem of digs feeling on the outside right now their best player the best player I've seen play with the Vikings is Dalvin Cook he has been outstanding and offense runs through him the offensive line is are starting to come down and see the rush opposed to fill in a rush and keeping his is now through and make those plenty of very very careful Seattle Seattle is one team at home you're the team that is the most talented team in league one of the deepest teams in league you can go to Minnesota and get a win against a quarterback that has had one great game all year have to build a beat teams like Philadelphia and you have to play in a game where your quarterback is not a liability all right we've had complaints just hold up for a second that those edges are gonna come in and when it feels like the baker is the walls closing in on him and he feels like them get rid of the ball because he started to take a lot of hits and now he Komo homes running around half and it'd be great all the time we just need to be consistent but you can't do that we can't protect your edges so the key for Seattle is just don't let Baker in primetime we know that happened quarterback he's been when the Games really don't matter that much he's got some outstanding numbers but for the Vikings to reach their potential what leaving the blind right and you talk about the difference between a championship pedigree team like Seattle and you talk about it you try and compare them to Baltimore both receivers Adam feeling complain two weeks ago after the Chicago Game Stefan Da's complain and didn't come to work for a couple of days they seem to work some of those problems can't continue on this trajectory and go to Minnesota winning in Minnesota's toughened Minnesota's got a great running back Chris mentioned an excellent defense but if you twin more I think both of them I I believe it's going to be tough guy believe Carson Winston confidence standpoint this vikings defense they're for real and they're one team on the road agree back and look at their record since Pete Carroll has been there you win the twelve man they play with energy and everything sometime on the road your light out last week but that was just because of the opposition when you play a team like Philadelphia that's going to challenge you as far as your protection is going to be hard to throw the ball get a step further will then you've got to win your home game against Philly I I don't think the loser of this game is crossed off of the playoffs by any stretch of the imagination but it's hard to make go potentially happen this week and I know to that point I know their tune on the road this year that one first win came at Pittsburgh when Ben Rothlisberger got injured the second wing Rebecca had before but the offense of line has not given them the ability that they can utilize the talent that they have on the outside and now they have Dalvin Cook now there's I know there are secondary you can get some big numbers that interior seven last week we saw them catch fire. I believe that continues against the Vikings the Eagles got the the they haven't been consistently running the ball so to think the Philadelphia just going to march into Minnesota and get an easy win it's not going to be that way they got a lot of good football players great defense intact for we have to pay all these guys before all of them get so expensive we're GONNA try to in this two or three year maximum window with a better quarterback humint the loser of this game has any real super bowl hopes left and they both came into the season with it but I think philly continues what they did the jets not ten sacks but they're defensive line in this match I agree a hundred percent I know Philly's the underdog in this game I don't think they should be and it for both of these teams though if they actually are you're the super bowl contender that they thought they were going into this this year they got to win this game like either of these teams after the up and down start if philly words per game rushing that takes a lot of the pressure off Carson Wentz that's why Carson Winston these two Wins D. They've won and he's averaged one hundred and seventy five yards per game owning the ball effectively after the first two weeks of the season they were getting less than sixty yards per game rushing since then Jordan Howard Mile Sanders combining for I think over one hundred eighty nine getting back to being the strength of their football team to wear Carson Wentz doesn't have to throw for three hundred and twenty yards to have a chance to be equality opponent the office didn't improve because the offensive line they just took for granted that offensive line's going to continue to improve so kirk cousins is a better quarterback then then the unclearly but Robert Kraft is leaving the door open for a return saying quote we all love Gronk so we can always pray and hope along and if you're in Minnesota if you're the whole kirk cousins idea was we were this close to the Super Bowl with case keenum we will we while we still have this and yes they did think that they were very very close and they thought that they can improve their quarterback it would improve their offense they might have improved their quarterback play negative play because of the lack of productivity half tackles then it puts them behind schedule than what Baker have to do to play hero ball you can't play hero ball consistently we see a win comfortable and you're going to sit or kneel win they're going to they're going to sit early they're gonNA press bill that covered three we're gonNA make sure that they take away the deep out and make sure that Baker can't release the ball earlier because they know I defensive Minnesota is going to give a whole bunch of problems if they can't throw the ball deep which they hadn't been able to do says DJ got hurt they're going to struggle saying what do you make of that well I just think that and I heard Mr Kraft's last night during this interview and everything I just think people and I was came at Arizona team that's searching for who would actually is and so there yet to face a real road tests this season I think they will one hundred seventy yards. The Eagles will lose to the Vikings because they will not be able to run on the vikings the Vikings defense they'll make them one dimensional they don't have more than guards and look at it they're in the top eight essentially every major defensive category the defense is one of the best in football I'm wondering if Philadelphia can continue their turned of weapons for Tom Brady and the offense enter one rob Gronkowski the three times super bowl tied in the shirtless died end is enjoying retirement they only want me to play in the red zone they only want to play on third down oh I can go out there and go to the gym because we had a bi week I can do it for a couple of weeks and then get right back into shape in one season had gone into broadcasting working with HBO and then the Dolphins Get a number of receivers injured on a Monday night game and the general manager calls me central spot for me to land until I got the offer from HBO and decided to do that. I decided just on that phone call that I could come back because I had never thought about coming back we're going to expose that offensive line of Philadelphia to me there's not a huge advantage when I say who has the advantage by a

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Music really built the drama for me. What's going on? Everybody will per se gate is by day eve, Stephen a Smith, Mexico Linneman, Molly kera, we got a whole lot to talk about today. Rattling the bug battling the bug. I'm just trying to. Daughter guy. Be good. I'm here. I'm here. Let's roll. All right. We'll do it. All right. So you heard a who has a player option and can be a free agent. This summer is salty about recent stories referencing that a decision about his future had already been made. And that he was headed to the next day. It's right that the media us everybody needs to chill with the hype. Well, I don't think he's right about high. But I do think he was right with some of the things that he said, and I stand by stand by one hundred percent in that regard. Let me be very clear. Kevin Durant was not complaining about being asked questions about free agency. If you simplify it to that level you've missed the boat. What Kevin Durant is complaining about is his words being twisted. A and B more importantly, he literally called out a reporter by saying you didn't talk to me he talked to nobody. You scour the room, you go and you right? But you're right. That's Ethan strassler the letter to address far as I'm concerned. He's a pretty damn good reporter. I'm familiar with his work. He's well respected. And I'm certainly not here to cast any aspersions on him. The only thing that I would say Ethan Strauss's that I just don't know what I would do if somebody looked into the camera with right in front of my face and said, you don't talk, you know, talk to you. You don't talk to me, right and stuff. Like you talk to me. Like, I said it see that's the key point here. He's not getting on somebody about their opinion. What he is saying he directly accused somebody right in front of their face if indeed when he said, yeah, you broke. So I'm assuming that that's who he was talking to because I couldn't see the other camera angles. Obviously if you accuse somebody to their face of not talking to you and then writing stuff as if they did talk to you, you got a problem meaning that reporter, that's. Not the problem with the athletes, and that's one of the things that we have to park in terms of dissecting and picking apart. What Kevin Durant said that all of this other stuff about I just wanna play ball and go home. No, you signed a contract part of it entails media obligations. Sorry, you're wrong on that point. But when you call out a reporter is directly as he did. And you accused the report of not talking to you. But speaking and writing as if he has spoken to you. Well, that'll get a whole bunch of reporter's roundup. Make no mistake about that. And I think that the other part that Kevin Durant said is that because he left from Oklahoma City to go to state if you remember I was on the record. And I said it was the weakest move that I'd ever seen by superstar to this very day. I stand by that. But that doesn't mean that. Kevin Durant is wrong. All the time. It doesn't mean that every word that comes out of his mouth is flawed or faulty because he went to go to the state. And so if you've got folks approaching. Him. And the narrative is always with the backdrop that he went from. Okay. See the Golden State and hop on the bandwagon. You're highlighting how he's not number one. He's not better than LeBron Nike knows this cetera et cetera. That stuff that's going to get and robbed up. So we understand that. But if that's how you feel in that's going to lead the narrative of any of everything why bother talking to him. So I didn't have a problem with what he said because I thought that some of the points that he made was incredibly valid k D's not right? He's wrong. And I'll be one of those people who missed the boat because this was very much about him saying let me just play ball. K D knows that listen, what's so great about the NBA other than just the action on the floor, which no doubt is great. I love the NBA have since I was a little kid has an amazing product on the floor. It is fueled nowadays a lot of the interest in the league by speculation about free agency and stuff that is. Part of the drama. That's part of the soap opera people follow. That's part of what pays D's salary. Not just the salary from the NBA the sneaker money to the interest in K D, the reason he's in global star a superstar a lot of it is that drama, the that's how people stay interested. It's not a lot of. It's the basketball. I agree. But of K D doesn't want people speculating this this extends past K D. But he's wanted me statement tout, his free agent destination. It has destination of free agency. Then I would suggest players start signing five year deals, if you don't want speculation, you know, why were speculating with all these two year deals you refrain every other year one of the best players in the league is that it'd be a free agent. So we're gonna speculate, you know, why K D because you're awesome. And I think this is really why K D is salty. It's let's talk about Katie the basketball player. You want us to sit here and say, he's great. Eight K D. We know you're great. You're one of the best players ever. Like anyone can see that? And he's right. He tries to play the right way on every possession. And by the way, offense and defensively. He forget about just talent everything what he's born with. He has worked himself into being one of the best players ever, by the way, even his personality. He refused to let the media after wild just paint him in the kind of easy way. E always a small town could no he's more complex and interesting for that than that. So for both of those things good for K D. I can only imagine if every time I turned on the TV, and I'm one of the best Everett. What I do. I hear someone like me pointing out what I don't do or some reason to think that I'm a front runner. So why John joy the seventy three win team. I know how that would feel like hold on ninety nine percent of what I do is positive. But fifty percent of the coverage is negative that's legitimate. Of course, it's more interesting to talk about the frailties and the flaws in the characters of the people we know that just what? They do great. I could imagine that wears on him over time. And so he gets salty. But to complain that the media is speculating about is free agency destiny Shimon, you gotta be kidding me. I think here's where you missing the boat. Will you missing it is that it's not about complaining about the media speculating. It's them attaching direct feelings to him without possibly knowing if Kevin Durant has not told you or somebody directly in his camp has not directly told you. This is what he's considering. You can say that you heard you can say that the scuttle what around the league you see me on on on these airwaves constantly. I'm very careful about telling you this is what I'm hearing. This is what the scuttle butt is. If there's somebody that I spoke to directly. All right, then I'll sit up there and say, you, you you, you know, we got this from something along those lines. You have people he is swearing up and down. He hasn't spoken to them. He doesn't speak to them. And yet and still this is what they're saying. Now, Kevin the rent in the interest of full disclosure. Remember, kevin? The rent, and I had a problem. Kevin Durant sat up there and said years ago. I don't talk to Stephen now. We've spoken sense. But at that particular moment of time, he said, I don't talk to Stephen ain't nobody in my can't talk to Stephen eight, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, why did I go on the attack because it was a lot the one I was just with him a few months earlier when we were at forty forty his brother, and I had spoken as his mama came on this show for crying out loud. You know, whether it's rich climb. It's Jay z and the clue I've known them for years. So what are you talking about? So it was a clear flame asking. But when you are reporter and the man looks at you in front of everybody with the cameras rolling. And he says, I'll talk any talk to me he talked to anybody, and he just looks around the room and surveys the locker room, and then goes and acts like I said it that's where the problem. Here's the thing though. That is true that is K D can speak for himself. If he's never spoken to Ethan Strauss. He can save. That right. How can you be sure that no one in his camp or no one who at least assumes that they understand his mind because they've spoken to him. Good. How can we be sure that hasn't spoken to win that good point? Which is why I think that's why I say is really needs to be very very careful about casting any aspersions on straws because he didn't do anything. He might not have done anything wrong. But what I'm saying is Kevin Durant made a very direct and public. Yeah. The best the best part about all this. It's going to be hilarious either. He signs with the Knicks. And it's like you'll Katie what are you talking about? Or he doesn't sign with the Nixon. It's like great job on the porzingas trade Knicks. Well, this is going to be interesting, by the way, I'm hearing from around the league that folks think he is going to the New York Knicks. But notice what I said, I'm hearing around the league, right? Ninety enough from Kevin Durant. Harm Robert here. Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed no one burden down, your she shed shero all really victim. Because my she sheds burning up in the backyard because she shared with struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert to state farm cover. My she shed shed. She turned are shed mature hideaway, Robert. Oh, yeah. That's covered. You hear that Victor? I'm getting a new she or she head. Can we stop his she shed now go with a win? That's here to help life go, right? State farm. Talk to an agent today. There's been a lot of criticism of late with players wanting to control their own destiny. While the face of the league was hot on this issue, highlighting the hypocrisy with the owners LeBron posting on his in regards to Harrison Barnes being traded during last night's Mavericks game against the Hornets. Let me read it to you. So let me get this is cool because they had to do what was best for the franchise right traded this man, while he was literally playing in the game and had zero idea I'm not knocking traded in because it's a business, and you have to do what you feel is best. But I just want that narrative to start to get real change. Not wanna player wants to be traded or leaves a franchise that he's a selfish ungrateful player. But when they trade you release wave, cut, etc. It's best for them. I'm okay with both honestly, truly am just call a Spade a Spade. Alright so LeBron trying to highlight the hypocrisy there. Jalen rose in the house to see you as always. Yeah. Good, mark. Stephen does the NBA have a serious problem. Well, they do in this respect. Lebron is absolutely right. As he was alluding to what the public feels and how it stigmatizes plays and doesn't do the same when it comes to ship, teams management, etc. You don't hear those things being a sad about executives making decisions? I might have disagreed with to some degree with Thomas, and the problem that he had with Danny at the particular moment in time that Danny aines, let them go assuming of course there. Danny Ainge didn't look him in the face. Tell them one thing it didn't do another. But in the end because I my man my mentality is only seen a lot was face is business. We get all of that. And you didn't hear anything about Danny age. But you heard a lot of things will you would have heard a lot of things about Thomas if she was on other foot. So LeBron is right about that. But when it comes to the league itself, here's where you have a problem. You have the animus on a part of the players. That alternately is going to tran- transfer over to them because you're always going to have some resentment of those in power the NBA continuously wins. And collect the boggling. They continuously get most of the things that they want a lot of these things can be resolved. If your players association were to make an I'm certainly not trying to cast any aspersions on Michelle Roberts who just started at the job a few years ago. And I think it's doing it outstanding job, but in terms of history, there are a bevy of collective bargaining agreements that we can point to that simply were not that favorable to the players from the days of Simon Gordon dean and on to Billy hunter and others. There's been plenty of deals where we looked at it. And we said this is not a great great deal for the players and the players will turn around and resent the league for it. That's problematic because at the business negotiating table both sides of trying to win what it is they want. Now, you say you understand business. But the reality is you. You usually resent the outcome when you don't perceive it as working in your favor and a lot of times, particularly in this day and age with the advent of social media and beyond because the players have more of a voice now more so than ever before if you harbor those kind of feelings, and you believe you have that level of influence, it will build and and all your resolve to the point that once you go back to negotiating table, and they ain't going back a while. Well, ultimately, if you get to that point, you're going to have a low, you're going to believe you have a level of leverage that you may not have had in the past. And that's where it could become problematic for the league. Believe doesn't have a problem. They have partners and the partners are called the players. Now, you're right about the CBA because the players are negotiating against a virtual monopoly. So while the league has had a very good attitude toward their player business partners. It's still from the point of view of the monopoly were being generous here, we're not really forced to do these things necessarily. And so the players use what leverage. They have to counteract that look. You're an NBA player. You one of the best to ever did it at what you do. You've got to the height of your profession. The league already has rules in place to ensure that you have to leave so much money on the table to leave your team that virtually no top player in the history of basketball has left before year six the year before they can be a free agent. They tried to force a trade. So they can get more money from their new team. Because if you wait to leave in free agency, you have to eat leave even more money on the table. In other words, that no point do you get to choose where to play without leaving tremendous amounts of money on the table, unless you force a trade. So of course, they're gonna force a trade in what boggles my mind about. All this think about this laissez faire attitude that the that the league has when it comes to selling franchises. Right. Do you know why players want to go play in LA for the Lakers or maybe now the clippers? It's not just at the franchises are run. Well, which they are it's that they're in LA people want to be in LA. That's why the Lakers cost ten times. The pelicans cost notice the league when it comes time to sell the franchise doesn't tell the owners, you know, what we're going to have a set price for every team. Sorry, lakers. Sorry next. We know your markets more desirable. Therefore, your teams are worth much much more money. Can't sell it for four billion the average price. We've decided arbitrarily or based on some formula is one billion. So everyone gets no when it comes time to sell the franchise, they take what they can get right. The same reason. Those franchises are more expensive. Is the reason the players wanna go there. Now, you can still mismanage that as the Knicks have right until maybe recently, we'll see. But the idea that the league has a player problem is ridiculous. They already got them in place for six years, which is way more than half the time of your average career six years in the same place. What do they want? Hey, guys. I think you guys are making the wrong argument for me is not about the CVA for me. It's not about leaving money on the table. And that excuse me that large market argument doesn't. Max people aren't just lining up to go to New York or going to LA when you get a chance look at the lottery standings, the Millar smarter as loan at large markets are in it, including Chicago. Here's the thing when you sign up to do a business deal and once we exchange funds. It ain't personal no more is business. And as a player the reason why the league does not have a problem. We know when the trade deadline is don't ya? Gotta ticker countdown. Trae dayline, we know when that's coming. You get a chance to anticipate being traded their only ten players currently in the league that have played at least eight years that have stay with one team. It comes with it. You're going to get moved. I got traded from Toronto to New York own sane data teams played each other. I woke up into Ronco if flew home with the Knicks stayed in a hotel that night, it comes with the territory and also being traded ENA bat. Thing. Everybody throws that around like, it's a bad thing. It wasn't back with kyri to get traded from the cast to the Celtics. They were Baylor squad. It wasn't bad for car to leave San Antonio. He wanted to leave. Lebron wanted to leave the blonde is not about it's not about rob. And everything that's that. It's about the player is not known. Lebron's comment is about him getting traded before the game. He knew he was getting traded number one. So that's a misreport number two is when you know, you could get traded guess what that's twenty four seven three. Sixty five Tobias hairs made a game winning shot. It got traded to the Sixers. And that's the greatest thing that could have happened to the mom saying LeBron to thrust of LeBron's comet is when teams play trade players knowing that tonight. That's fine. Right. But if a player wants to take his fate into his own hands, that's a problem. So when we asked the league have a problem I entered that saying the league have a problem if play. Exercise power. I am saying no nobody had a problem with Cari exercising power Jimmy Butler exercising power. Lebron James exercise in power. They got a chance to choose what they wanted to go. And they want me to free agent shit. Right. That's why it's no problem with the league what I'm polluting too. And I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But what I'm alluding to is a different point. I'm alluding to it openly. Being a pow a problem down the line as it pertains to the league and the dominion that they wanna have over the players. I'm saying the path that it's going towards you've never you might have had problems before in the past where played with articulate and verbalize his dissent with the with the league itself and the power that they have we hear about that with the National Football League. And with the NFL you hear about players and and plays association alluding to collect the bargaining negotiation. That's coming up in a few years, and they can't wait because it might be a holdout, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, why. Because the advent of social media. Beyond have given voices to the relative voiceless. And I'm saying that the NBA obviously has maximized that reality more so than any other professional athlete. So when you look at it from that perspective what we're talking about in terms of peace. Now, I'm saying moving forward, they're giving you an indication of the kind of things that rouse them up. It's not an issue now because you're under this collective bargaining win for the next several years, and you're good. But at some point in time the path that it's going towards you're going to see that. That's all again, I want to talk about the exact example Harrison Barnes one he left, the Golden State Warriors won a championship. He went to doubt. It's for the money. They pay them ninety million dollars. And they're in the lottery. They just got Porzingis their parent here with Luca. He's on the outs. Now, he's going to Sacramento they're better right now than Dallas. And you're going to get paid. He has a chance to make the playoffs this year. So the league does not have. This. Not right. Well, the game has never been more popular two players that never been more popular and people with the money in the game. Yeah. Just part of the business all trains never person. All right. Appreciate it. Jalen. Thank you. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting of teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're winning in learn more about full sail. Universities Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. There is no better motivator in sports than our very own. Max Kellerman hater of the year. And he gave New England plenty of fuel on their way to their six Super Bowl championship. Joining us now are two of the now defending champs pats running back Sony, Michelle and president of the max fan club. Kyle van noy. Men. Congratulations. And thank you for being with us for us. All right Kyle. I want to start with you. We just heard your comment. What do you have to say to Mr. Kellerman, but all the motivation, he provided you with? First of all, I didn't I didn't have that sign. So I had that sign out prior to throw it in the trash because that's just giving him too much credit now because there's other people that pride deserve a more. I mean, yeah. Rob part of that should be moving to Mexico right now because he said we couldn't beat the chiefs. So there's a couple of others. But you know, we just enjoy everybody that doubted us and thank you max. Yes, they I was waiting for. That is simple. Thank you would have been fine. Let me say, congratulations. Even though took it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But nevertheless as usual the patriots either in the Super Bowl or win the Super Bowl take your pick this year. It's win the Super Bowl. Kyle. I take back. What I said about rather having rivers than Brady, obviously that was wrong. But I stand by Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed your guy. He Tom Brady. Threw an interception to end the AFC championship game pre snap penalty. You got the ball back. What do you say about that? We won the Super Bowl. You can't say nothing. I mean, you can see here and argue with me all you want the end the day. He's the go and we won another Super Bowl. And just look on your smile says it all. Listen, let me get in here. Guys. First of all, congratulations. Congratulations. I I gotta ask you guys. This though looking at this season. Did you get to a point where you had some doubt simply because you know, adamant wasn't there at the beginning of the season. Josh Gordon, ended up being exile rob gronkowski in and out in terms of injuries. Or what have you was there any point where you will questioning whether or not you guys will be able to get it done strictly for health or other reasons other than just being on a football field and a plant. I mean for me as a rookie. I had no doubt because being around so many veterans. I know these guys been through this before and they told me we've been in this position before after we lost to gains back to back. And it was like listen to just gotta stick together and locker room, you can feel that Gaza just believing in each other. And we just kept working put our heads down at work. Look, obviously, you won this time then noy, but I'll get you next time. I'm getting my hate up already for next year. But seriously, Tom black in the past and the not too distant past Tom Brady was used to sometimes cover up for other. No football team is perfect for other imperfections on on the team throughout your run this year. You played the Kyle you played lights out Sony. You said you played lights out were great. I give credit where it's due Sony. The running game was no joke. You know, like you guys relied on your defense and Gironde game. And yet Tom Brady and the big moments. You gotta give it to him. He's clutch. But throughout a lot of that game. Not the same guy. You telling me I'm wrong about Brady being in the Clark. Yeah. I'll take his wet noodle arm. Any day? He he he's he does say he is an excellent communicator. He's excellent at what he does he gets everybody orchestrated and runs the offense to the best of his ability with Josh mcdaniels and for him to have on the other side was Sony and the other weapons we have a receiver. We know as a defense. We just got to keep giving giving them the ball ain't chance we can get the ball back in their arms. We know they're going to eventually score. And that's exactly what they did in the Super Bowl. We knew if we keep kept getting stops. We knew they were going to score and they eventually did. And we win the game again Sony. I wanna talk to you. When you got drafted a lot. You might be the Steelers. You might be the steal the draft. He's so mad. The best postseason not only for rookie. But any running back in history. I'm looking at your numbers six rushing titties only three games the only score in the Super Bowl. What are you credit that success to credit? Tune starting off into coaches believing in this team is offense to execute. They're getting plan. And obviously it goes out to the guys that starts with. And that's the opposite line the receivers they gotta go crack blogging before bag James Devlin. I think those guys need more credit than I did. Because if you can see that play it was wide open. Hope you put any running back back then scores. So I mean, I'm excited to be a part of a offense like this. And it's been a pleasure to guys just started baby cacao. I wanna throw this Sony's a bad. Boy, don't question that. No question ain't I do get processed do. But I gotta get to you and your defense because a year ago in the Super Bowl y'all lost to a backup quarterback who really isn't a backup. Nick foles can play. We get all of that. I want to know how much of a motivation was that going into the Super Bowl? Because the the biggest reason I picked Challah win the Super Bowl, even though I didn't think I would be Kansas City in the AFC championship game. I know I know, you know, I know you're not stutter but props weds do. But the reason I the reason I taught job would win the Super Bowl because I said I can't see Tom Brady and Bill Belichick losing back to back Super Bowl. But never in my wildest dreams that I believe there's defense would play as well. As y'all play in this game talk to me about how much of a motivation lashes lost Philadelphia was. It's a really good point. You made. I think it was a big motivation all year. I think if we say here say it wasn't a mauve motivation. We'd be lying to you. But it was I think the guys understood that and we didn't want to walk off that field with other people's confetti coming down other teams confetti, and we we made a promise to each other that we would come out here, and do whatever he could to get away with that w and to go in that we obviously we didn't think we're going to hold them to three just because there was such an explosive team, but coaches gave us a good game plan. And we put a clinic out there baby. It was what was Todd Gurley not himself. Or was it just that he was going up against y'all that day because a lot of people speculating as to Todd Gurley feeling looking a bit differently than the Todd Gurley folks that seat throughout the regular season to that Chelsea as former teammate. To me. I think he he's an elite player. I don't know what they got going on as none of my business to me. It looked like there. They have maybe some stuff behind closed door. That's going on that. We don't know because he's a top dog. And he should have got the ball a lot more than what he got. He's he's the truth. And you know, I think it was just a struggle of finding their identity in the Super Bowl. I mean, we kinda stopped everything. So I don't know what to tell you who we kind of we played a really we played a really good game defensively and made it hard for them. You know, they're they're really good team. But we were just a better when they tell you what really annoys me about you patriots. Okay. Let me just tell you. What really annoys me? It's not even the roughing the passer penalty that was nonsense that a fifteen yards in the first down a kit that drive alive against the chiefs. No, it's not just stuff like that. It's the fact that somehow somehow Bella chick picks you up late in the first round Sony. Michelle. And Kyle van noy like he could go in with a gun in a mask to get. What did you get traded for six round pick or something traded for pennies, man? It's not even the Bella chicken with can get rob the people in the draft other teams. Do you feel like when you heard you were getting traded to the patriots? What were you thinking? Finally, getting play chess not checkers, baby. I mean to get traded and play for coach like him and then to play with elite players that they have here. Is it dream come true? And I'm blessed to be in the position that I am I'm playing next to you know, one of the best up and coming running backs if not the best right now. But no doubt. He's great. Yeah. Com. That what you mean? That's what I mean. Did you watch the postseason? Yes, Sony, Michelle. Listen, let me just let me just let me just congratulate you both. The fact is that your outstanding play clearly overcame, Tom Brady's declined. And yet. So you went another one another Super Bowl. Congratulations. Haven't enjoy another year of talking about Tom again? The cliff house on your house. Let's not forget the cliff. You'll even deserve that hater. Hater back. It's mine. I wanna fair square. Kyle sony. Congratulations. And thank you guys for the time. Appreciate it. Take care. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in the most nesting dole. Here's the Geico not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer in a most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Everyone. This is sportscenter right now. I'm on the Collins with news out of the NFL. Details continue to emerge surrounding Antonio Brown in his latest alleged domestic dispute, according to the police report obtained by ESPN last month on January seventeenth Brown. Allegedly pushed the mother of his daughter to the ground during an argument. The woman said she went to Brown's home to drop off their child to get reimbursed for their daughter's hair appointment in the police reports she mentioned her wrist was injured and showed police some scratches with scab ING while the woman dig report the incident, she later declined to complete a big damalf Sabit nor restless made and new charges were filed. Antonio Brown's attorney has released a statement in light of the recent developments in part saying, quote, the close the clothes police report proves that in Tonio Brown. Did absolutely nothing wrong for more. Let's get you back to I take. Water keeps getting hotter for one Antonio Brown. Stephen, what's your reaction to the latest? We just heard my reaction to it is that the lawyer fan Tonio Brown, certainly didn't help them with that last statement because it is in tightly plausible that the police might have interviewed her knew that it was going nowhere and said why bother we don't like that. But that's something that many many women who have been victims have complained about in terms of police and how they're not proactive and instead are reactive to things that's number one number two. Once again, my position from yesterday has not changed one bit. My position is that innocent or guilty. The fact is there's nothing good that Antonio Brown has been in the news about since the last week of the NFL regular season. And this is a man that cares about his reputation, and it's literally dissipating and diminishing or actually. Cheerier rating before very is. And that's something that he needs to pay attention to he needs to monitor. What he does he needs to monitor who he's around. He needs to monitor his temperament because see here's where the part where I get really really uncomfortable. How much you wanna make a bet that if we keep talking about this stuff? We're going to see footage of Antonio Brown on the sideline getting in to the face of an offensive coordinator. Or one of the assistant coaches how much you want to make a bad about that. Of course. Because what that's going to do is depict visually, the kind of anger. He's capable of having. It has absolutely nothing to do with this incident at all. But they will they you know, folks will do pictures do video will portray it that way. He does not win. So the bottom line is they he needs to be incredibly careful. All right. And he needs to Egypt needs to be more diligent in his approach towards doing the right thing. And also. Vein that he's in displaying that he's doing the right thing in the public. There's of course, these are allegations. There's a presumption of innocence legally, I think as I mentioned yesterday in the public square, I think there's oftentimes a presumption of guilt. I'll say this. Antonio Brown's reputation at this point, you know, we think about the the best forgive me for making it about football. We think about the rip the best receivers in the game. Three are often mentioned Julio Jones and Tonio Brown owed L Beckham junior. They seem to be on their own tier even as others say apologies to someone who really should be. But those are the three that are most often mentioned the kind of. So you think about what kind of receiver do or player do teams want? The number one is who you Jones who just keeps his head down and works. He's incredibly productive greet talent. And just does his job isn't a prima Donna stays out of the news. And all those things that's the guy that teams want the most and you look at Antonio Brown like not that long ago. It was an Tonio Brown next because he's a bit of a pre Madonna, but then owed L Beckham seemed to be the biggest prima, Donna. And so he was the guy who didn't want. But when you look at the kind of controversy Odell has been involved in off. Off the field of play things like he's partying in Miami. There was an unfortunate picture from a hotel room. Again. He's like. In circumstances. That league of sure would rather not see him publicly. But it didn't he wasn't hurting anybody. You know, it wasn't that he wasn't being accused of hurting anybody these are different kinds of allegations and different kinds of it's a different kind of controversy. It's not just degree. It's kind. It's a different kind not a difference of degree. And this is this makes Antonio Brown. More toxic two teams. I believe than he was before. This news came out, even though I understand it's still allegations. Nevertheless, it's one thing after another. And now what we're hearing about are serious things. Not just not just salacious things serious. Listen, do his ado. Innocent until proven guilty legally guilty until proven innocent public in the public eye. That's unfortunately, the situation that NFL players are facing professional athletes were primarily NFL players with some of the things that have happened in recent memory. Here's why you don't feel but so much sympathy for an Tonio Brown. He's not juju Smith Schuster. He's not twenty one twenty two years of age. Just getting in Lincoln the second year. This man has been around for a decade. This man is thirty years old. He knows the NFL inside. And out matter of fact, he went about the business of Kalki calculating Lee, and you know, calculatedly and very skillfully. I might add really building his image to be the kind of entertainment entertaining superstar somebody that dances in the end zone. Somebody that's shows up on various shows showed up on dancing with the stars things of this nature. He's done a great deal to ingratiate himself with the public high in an effort. To monetize his brand. We get all of that. So you know, what comes with this? You knew exactly what you would do it. When you were building yourself up, which means you're responsible for whatever tear down as in a process because that means at the very least you weren't responsible enough to protect your image. And that's not paramount and this particular situation, which paramount in this situation. Make sure are you innocent of this. Are you innocent or guilty of this? Because let me tell you something we've heard and Tonio Brown speak on too many cages, you certainly win at Emanuel Steward on Twitter on social media. When when he was at the NF when he was on the NFL. Many. You'll sanders. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Molly menu. Santa's. Okay. So you go after these guys you spoken out. But with this incident, you have nothing to say see, these are the kind of things that people talk about when you are so quick to speak up about anything else pertaining to you. But with something like, this, you have absolutely nothing to say again in the court of public opinion. We understand legally how that would be wise. But then a couple of in the quarter public opinion, it serves an element to contribute to your indict quickly before we go to break the police report, it's disturbing. I'll be interested to see what the NFL finds and their investigation. I hope it's a thorough investigation. And I'll be watching how they handle it regardless of the outcome, and I'm saddened I children and for him and the female involved. It's an unfortunate situation all around that they have to deal with this now and hear about it in the media. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete Glades since he was three and begged his mom to let them stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in toppy skates. Pete practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven peak realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out.

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03/02/2021 - Hour 2 - NFL Players Keep Getting Screwed + NBA champion Antonio Daniels

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03/02/2021 - Hour 2 - NFL Players Keep Getting Screwed + NBA champion Antonio Daniels

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You know we see this happen every so often it is the nfl right and a year after signing kyle van noy was a team capped two time super bowl champ. Anyone is rings in new england. They signed him in miami to a four year. Fifty one million dollar deal rob thirty million of it supposedly guaranteed and then after one season last year they cut him so he got his twelve and a half million dollar salary. Now he did have fifteen million dollars guarantee so but that's it he doesn't get the rest of that guarantee money because he had to be on the roster to get it The rest of that contract is gone. Kaput and way. He thought he had four years of security and it turned into one and now he's a free agent. We'll see if he's able to make that up. He had a solid year. Not a great year. But a solid. You good We'll see if he makes it up rob but but that's life in the nfl and that's why a lot of these players envy the baseball and basketball player known. Get their money. you have we. Of course yes that it was a one hundred million dollars to it. Hit is dollar four hundred million dollars contract. It is if football you better do your research. You better read the fine print because often times it might be a quarter of that it really rob is only two bonus money that you're assured of getting and i guess maybe that first year that's all it is chris. It's but but this is why the players have to fight to gig guarantee. I'd rather have a real contract chris. That's only two or three years. But it's guaranteed money. Do you know what i mean. Like he signed a four year deal. I'd rather have a two year deal with guaranteed money for both years rather than some phony deal that they can do as it is right. Yeah i look what. When when i've talked i don't know what your conversations have been like but when i've talked to you know guys in the nfl or who used to be an nfl about this. And i'm like don't need to get guaranteed deals. You know you get some pushback. And i'm talking about you know guys that were in the union and all that of could have feelings because because they get ripped on all the time about how weak it is chris to help benefit guaranteed contracts but they also bring up that day. And i'm not make an excuse. I'm just telling them what they say that they do. You know you got fifty three men in football whereas in baseball you got half of that not even basketball you got even less. You got twelve. Fifteen guys on the roster. So that's why they say. It's hard to guarantee. But i would say this rob if that's the case then there should be something where if you're a starter for a certain number of years or you make it all pro team or a pro bowl once or twice whatever you should be eligible for guaranteed contract. Because i get it if they can't give it to the forty seventh man on the team. Okay but there. There should be steps levels. Were if you've proven yourself as a guy who's going to have a substantial career a long career you know then you should be able to get a guaranteed deal because you said this is nothing so this is. This is where i think. Those guys are have been brainwashed and have been taken advantage of manipulated. Body owners. Chris the nfl. All they do is print. Money brag about how much money to league makes. So this whole notion that they can't guarantee to forty seventh man's contract. Whose only making a million dollars is nonsense. And here's the other part that nutrition carry that many players. You can't guarantee them a contract and you tune guarantee where where you need guys. Well i know but everybody needs to be everybody. Else's guaranteed to coaches contracts guarantee everybody but these players it. It's just not right and the players have to be willing to fight for because a wa baseball chris. It's not just a twenty five man roster twenty seven man roster they have twenty minor league teams did not make millions of dollars but the expenses all the other stuff that goes with it. Do you know what i mean. So they're footing the bill. You can't tell me that the nfl which has no overhead chris for minor leagues no overhead. They have known that they can't do it if they want to. They can't do it. I don't know why players buy into this whole world baseball. And he got twenty five. We got forty seven so we know but you gotta be willing to fight for it. And that's what they haven't been able to do their there. We're ready to fight over practice days but not healthcare chris and not not guaranteed contracts. Then next union deal it. Better have those two at the top of the list. I'm serious. I think you and i've had conversations with some guys at the same time and yeah donate. They have all these reasons. Why can't whatev- right. I agree with you. Need some security so at least for those years. You know that you're getting that money. It's as simple as that. And here's another aspect of iraq. This is why and i respect contracts. I mean we have contracts fox but this is why. I'm not mad at a shawn watson. Now i think he's he doesn't have leverage although i think eventually i think he's gonna get what he wants. Which is a trade but this one. I'm not mad at him because the owners are breaking contracts left and right and so if he wants to do it then so be it. you know they. They don't have to explain why they wanna they. Are they explaining why they're cutting cavanaugh salary. Cap it helps them save money but deputy tended explanation. But course that's the system that the why would players. This is my only issue. Okay those union guys who always push back on us when we talk about. How bad it is chris. Just answer me this. What contractor you sign where only ownership has a right to let you go at any point but if you have a better year kristen what. Your contract is uk. Go out of this. I want to opt out and go somewhere else. Where i can make more money. It's one sided right. Why why would you allow them to get. You signed me to a four year deal. Why are you allowed to get out. Auto say well you know you can come back big ben but you've got to take a pay cut. No i signed the deal. What do i have to. When i had my great year. Right chris. i couldn't. I couldn't get a raise. No already signed for that money. That's what they will tell you in big business k if a player's willing because they have a salary cap now if you want to get rid of salary cap that's a whole nother thing but i i don't mind big ben. He's going to get his money if he wants to. Spread it out so that they can sign other guys. I'm fine with that as long as he's fine with it but you are right evatt we got a contract right and whatever our contract says we are going to get that money and you're right. It's not like oh they have the power to just fires and get rid of our contract not to pay right and this is should be the same thing with these players and i agree with you. I don't know man. I think the owners play on these players feeling of financial insecurity like we're so thankful we're so growl i got a ten million dollar bonus which you know nothing to at but the owners know they just gonna take what they got because it's so much better than what they had growing up or whatever the case no at one hundred percent and and that's also chris. The problem i think is that it's hard for people to stand up to these guys. When when you're you sound ridiculous or your family or whatever they say what are you crazy. What do you mean you turn down. Four million dollars. Do you know what i mean. No but i'm worth eight million. You know what i mean by but you would have a hard time convincing your family that you turn it down four million dollars but that's not how it goes that's why the union it has to be a union thing to make people feel like no dislike just like baseball. Chris remember when a rod wanted to take the pay cut to go to the red sox. The union wouldn't let them right. They were like you can't do it. It's not just about you. You'd be heard all the players. If we allow you to take a pay cut that unopposed missing. Yeah you're right to cause the union unless you're a superstar is hard for one player to end up right because they can. They can replace an average player. But that's why the union has to do it when it's time for collective bargaining because these dues want rob we. We discussed this again. Because we've discussed it ad nauseam in the past but they don't play seventeen games next year right and the players are oh. It's extra money for his. Okay fine why don't you get the extra money. Guaranteed lay another game. 'cause in football every time you step out on that field you risk your career being over one hundred percent and if the average careers three and a half years. Four years chris. Why can't those four years be guarantee you. Do you see what i'm saying like like you should have a minimum of four years. Guaranteed that i'm gonna give my body. I'm going to give my all on my chair my acl up and never play again. But i got a four year contract. And they're gonna take care of me. Do guy why is that was outrageous outrageous out at all. I think rob that. That's why dak prescott is now so so firm and i gotta give him credit. I mean that dude is holding out. He's now the date he wants right. Below patrick mahomes money so he wants more than two shawn watson. He know good and well. He ain't better than shawn watson but he is holding out for more. He wants to be the second highest paid quarterback in the league. And i think he's looking at it like i was a fourth round draft. Pick so you know they were getting me on the cheap now and you know what i mean like. I'm getting every penny. Now it'll be interesting. Thing is because if he goes if he goes somewhere. That's not dallas. And he's just a good quarterback not great. Oh all this is prescott attention. He's gotten and maybe that doesn't mean anything to but you know what i'm saying like. He is one of the most talked about quarterbacks in the league does he. there is value in being in dallas. While because that's the thing about all the time. Three playoff wins in twenty five years but they get sixty percent of the coverage. You know what writing right do right. And they're so he. It's gonna be interesting. Because if he if they were able to pull off the train for seattle with seattle to get russell wilson the dallas and seattle wasn't is good with that like he would he could really disappear from the public consciousness. Those be but hey maybe he'd have his money so it's gonna be interesting to see how that works but i do think that's a factor. Robbing him standing up and good for only thing is he. Almost he almost chris imagine that injury could have been worse right and he never never would have played again. I mean he took a big chance to go out there. And that is it's like when isaiah thomas went out there and played for the celtics during the playoffs. Chris fully not fully healthy. They'll remember he finished the voting. He was hundred million dollar contract. Lost i think. Rob i think the next year he played for like two million. Yup i mean may that rob. Can you imagine how sick you would be. How would you be chris. Oh my gosh that thing because yeah okay. He's making a few million here and there which you know that ain't one hundred million at eight hundred is lifetime and next lifetime your your your kids. It's all changed with the millions. He's made he's made but it ain't one hundred million. It's a whole different story for him. So you're right and the the celtics feel bad for him. No they move right on all right away in eight seven seven ninety nine on fox should. Nfl players fight harder fully guarantee contract even if it means that they get shorter deals in the process. We will continue the conversation with you next. Do you feel for. Kyle van noy the fox. Sports radio fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app. Search ads are to listen live. it was up everybody. It's me three time. Pro bowl. Lavar arrington and i couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast call up point game. What is a point game you ads along with my fellow pro bowler. Tj hussein's oughta and super bowl champion. Yep that's right plaxico burress. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it up on game. 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Hey we love you in montana the odd couple of hey a tell in montana we got love for yes while the you you when you come into montana chris when you coming out here man adult. I haven't been to you. I i've been to. I've been over forty well over forty number two. We put it on a big list. You live where the big stay is. You hear you stay with me in your but they bring that money these guys. These guys make all that money watson. He's faking how much money he could sit. He doesn't happen. Here's the thing. If he sits he could lose it all and you gotta give it back right and if he retires wait a year to go anywhere he wants. He would be bound to the texans. That's right right right right. Did you look that up because you find out. Because i told you the lions have barry sanders rights after he quit. And all yeah. We'll caters coming back. I can tell you that. no now. We saw him at the super bowl down in miami. Trust me you know. I love you guys. Please diagnose rob. This is how it worked. However many years you've got left on your deal you're right and it don't start. He is not like if he's got five years left is not like he can sit out three and then only half the play two years for no that five years would start when he came back three years so i mean they could really ruin him football life but right i i don't think they'll do it one. At at certain point we become a bad. Pr look but beyond that route. It will hurt your team. You can stick out your chest like see. We proved sean. You know you don't you. Don't do that to the texans. But then it is only going to hurt their football team. So that's why i think they're gonna have to trade him for king's ransom if they care but i also understand why you have to protect your investment as well drew. That's why you have little contract and paperwork. Chris otherwise you just let them go drew in washington. You're on the odd couple of fox sports radio. What's up drew. Yeah thanks for taking my call. Love your show. Watch or listen to it every night. Thank you appreciate it so a couple of points one is if the to piggyback san on some of these players that come up with excuses about why. They can't do it if they were really serious. About getting guaranteed contracts. Why aren't these superstars. Pitching in like a percent two percent to try to get one of those war chests going for those guys who are the forty seven forty eight people on the on the and they don't make those thirty forty million dollars a year that can't afford to sit out To maybe two seasons to try to get guaranteed contract if these superstars really wanted it. They they'd help each other out and helped out those guys that aren't superstars. And maybe they're just using that as a bargaining chip to get other things the next collective bargaining agreement that they they want that they think they can get that like if they don't get well. Maybe we'll just sit out for guaranteed contracts and so the the owners play that game and and go with something else that sure. They've got some kind of war chest. Rob i mean. I don't know how to hit big enough but you gotta have one chris. And that's the only reason we know why. Baseball's union they been saving money since moby dick was a guppy and if they have money or if there's a player that comes to them chris and says i can't pay my mortgage. I can't pay my bills. Guess what comes out of the unions war chest right and the players don't delegate whatever one we beat the owners and get the money back chris. You'll get didn't you pay back the union that's how it is. That's the only way you can fight guys who have deep pockets keith. In new orleans joined the couple of fox sports radio. what's up. Keep arrive chris. You're doing a great tomorrow's down there. And i had some cash in on demand because you didn't hook up with morals you know down kicking it. Keith forgot you. But yeah i had fun. Come on man. It went down there. I'm a look you up. I'll look at you chris. I'll be like meet me. Meet me at at at busta. I'm telling you. I need been yang. Meet me there yes. That's what i went to daisy dukes. Man it was great. I ahead i. I i get so frustrated. Nfl players union. Because i believe despite for wrong things. They fight into not have padded practices and i practice and we is like why not. Why not fight for you. No guarantee conscious or not five four notre recalls the end to get rid of the franchise bag which is like martin de slavery. You know what. I mean what you can't even would you done. When you've met the requirement your contract. They can still keep you. Like i mean like they need to fight to pick those things off the board versus the smoke weed. You know what i think. He makes a good point route. You makes a great day on. I mean no practice and not get it. You know not having padded practice that that probably feels real good but at the end of the day is more important to have healthcare. You know or not. Chris healthcare playing football. How out of the seriously of all the sports. That should get it. My goodness all right. We gotta antonio daniels. He's got a bone to pick with rob one or no heisman. He gave antonio daniels is. I was a mistake fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live. I is the debut of his theme music. There's levels to this folks and he has gone to another level so we had to reward him with some theme music. It is our man the nba champion the new orleans. Pelicans color analyst sirius xm nba radio host antonio daniels wilson brother over here dancer right. Now i'm over here dancing you of my every day. I'm i love what i want. I want to apologize that we didn't connect. We're down there. We reached out and i apologize. Just didn't happen. I didn't recognize the number. Because i don't have a locked in so i was out eating and then when i got back to it so i i i apologize antonio promise when i get back down there. I'm gonna take you out to lunch or something you know what career time really know what. Somebody's like. they view city round me. Once again you did. He didn't their true colors. Really as dom there we hit and cafe duma me and you. Hey let me know what you know when tony own morals. It was good. Do you know what. I have no idea. I don't i don't do much man a lot of the city. Kinda still shut down so it's only a we were talking earlier because james harden. I'm sure as you recognize playing as well as anybody on the planet. If not better. And i think robin i both think that you know if the nets continue to play this well he continues to play this. Well maybe they really put some distance between themselves and the second place team in the east. He could win the mvp. Now there are those that think the way he left houston the way he quit for. What four or five games. Whatever it was that. He's basically disqualified from mvp mouse year. Where i do thank you right. No i agree with you right now. He's definitely the. Mvp of the brooklyn nets right. That's for sure you know. He played in twenty two or twenty three games in brooklyn. And if you look at its debts stands apart but the biggest thing for me with james harden his ability the fact that he's air kevin durant is played in nineteen thirty six games so he's one game only being in half the game kyrie irving not know about the two week eight that he had so right now yes he has to be in that discussion not because of what he's doing but because what he's doing is leading to winning us the spot on i mean what they want a ten of eleven eleven digits. All without durant ecksteen. Is this antonio when you watch this team and what. They're able to do points wise and they've gotten better defensively as well not crazy if you guys remember when they made the trade. I had this team the nba. Right now they did the nba. Right now is the arms race there more than a few years back. It's an arms race. It's about whoever has the most weapon. You have a kyrie irving who is one of the best one on one players lead you have. James harden is one of the best one players in the league in led the league in points and assists reporters pointers made and free throws made you have one on one in nba history and the best one on one player in the league in my opinion and kevin durant. Yeah if it's an arms rates. The brooklyn nets are winning that andrei and it's a matter of time before they start to get it together. Offensively i say this all the time and everybody wants to talk about what's wrong. Well this is wrong. And what about his into and we don't know if he's going to be there. Listen give me the town. Gimme the tablet and outfitter direct out. I answering you mentioned daryl morey. Now we know he's now the philadelphia seventy sixers and they're having a nice year and joel embiid is in the. Mvp hunt i think it's hard and lebron and mb are are right there at the top. Whatever order you want to put him in but embiid is in the post a little more more than he's ever been. I'll give him credit for that. He's drawing a lot of fouls down there but he still is on the perimeter probably at least sixty five percent of the time as he's got a tremendous mid range jump shot but i just too old school post ninety percent of the time but a little more. Am i wrong. you think. He doesn't need to go down there anymore. No i'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying two thousand twenty one and this is the nba payton space. I'm not saying the wrong. I'm just saying you might need a little bit. But they don't play that game anymore. Could they have a look that basically nobody else in the league can have and that could be an advantage like it'd be a big advantage if they if they focused on that i hear you but we also have to understand like what that looks like for joel embiid. And what that looks. Like for the philadelphia seventy sixers because now that means you really have to play a lot slower because now you have to wait for oil and be to get to that block and visit a lot of times. He's on the perimeter because he's trailing play then them late fast. Tobias harris played bad. These guys want to get up and down the floor. I said before the year started. I can't think of two stars that have been next each other. Whose skills don't really complement each other. Like joe and be bentham. One play fast one play. Slow one needs someone to stress. The floor and the other guy is not influence stretcher right so i think we have to understand what we're asking atkin be to go down and post up almost every time that that's difficult you're changing your complete style of play and taking away from what ben simmons does that. The a of hawks made a lot of moves in the off season. We just saw lord peers give fired. Oh what did you make what was going on in atlanta. Because they made some moves they got off to a great start. There were like four. No people thought. Oh maybe they got a little some lightning in a bottle and whatever but it went the other way what's going on in atlanta with those players. Well for me. I feel like lloyd pairs got a raw deal. If you look at the situation that he was put in last year. John collins Tested positive for. I don't even remember what it's for. But he was out for twenty five games. He's a second best player. They didn't have cappella now. he's starting out last year behind the eight ball. Okay so now in the off season what you do is you go and you get back down a bit. You get galadari. You go and you get done you going. I don't know how much he had to do with it. But with all that being said you still have a relatively really young basketball team you had a shortened offseason. A shortened pre season short training camp. And it convinced regular season so you don't have practice time. So what are they expecting. What is the expectation in. Is it to make the playoffs. You have to remember. That vip is a process the way that this works. You don't go from winning. Twenty games to twenty four games to win and sixty games. That's not how this works there. The process that's involved here that atlanta and a lot of teams don't have the patience to go through. You can't expedite chemistry. You can't expert. Experience teams actually have to go through it and learn from it and atlanta is one of those teams right now. That seems like we'll listen. This is what we wanna do it. If the difference between having goals and aspirations and be realistic they have goals. They have. But i'm not sure how realistic they are right now. How how do you look at. What's going on with brad. Stevens and the celtics. I mean we know that comment. It left dip into conference finals. They've done they've moved on but they haven't won and this year. It's really been a struggle. Here what do you make a brad. Stevens is the leash shortening. Or is this guy going to get a six year contract extension. I don't know in today's league. We have no idea man. I felt like it really hurts. The celtics when gordon hayward list I feel like danny aines made a couple of suspect moves in the off season by letting any cancer go when he was only getting five million at bring interest and thompson. A guy who skills it doesn't complimentary stars and brown and tatum but as we know as we just saw in atlanta a lot of times the front office makes moves but the direct person impacted is the head coach. Yup all right. That's our man antonio daniels. We appreciate the time brother. My man brother piece more coming your way. Keep it locked. We talk steph. Curry arrives gonna be hayden. Just threw up in my mouth. Look at you i. I got his back though. Couple fox sports radio fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live. Geico knows there are many reasons why you ride from the exciting adventure of the daily commute to the peace of mind. That geigo always has your back with twenty four seven access to claim service and legendary customer service but pamela. Monday had one reason in particular. My skin is extremely averse to most fabrics except for the soft buttery feeling of leather thankfully. I found my clan of leather lovers in the biking community. It's been life changing dargo motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you. 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Like yo don't forget for five six years we were. We were routing everybody we bass right right right. I didn't think it was that but some did and maybe they're right But i i agree. Rob i think you know look. The warriors won three championships. They won seventy three games the year. They didn't win it. They waxed lebron twice and beat them third time. So yeah i think the players are enjoying beating down on staff with the shimmy and draymond with all the trash talking remember. Join my head that nice move where he kicked guys in. The privates are for that number. That would never write. His autobiography is going to be called private parts. Right is that not funny. That actually was one of your better one on a really alley. We're so used to it. I just had a ham and cheese with mayo and no brand. You know i mean. I see rob g one. It rob g really wanted this topic route because he come on. Think you will stay. Jeez big. it's ridiculous. It's so i've named about obvious. He thinks he sleek. But i just shoot him. I think robert is. I think rob life you get on. The air likes to rip on stuff. Because that's the only guy who smaller than him. We could let me. Just say that if our buddy mark willard if his station up in the house they biggest steph curry hater in media award. Like tom brady got to be a finalist. I don't know if i'll you be on the list somewhere is that why you hate steph. So much because of guys like you chris. That's why way again chris. Oh he's the smallest gay. He had already better than isaiah. Thomas ryan magic johnson's neck. Yeah because he called his big brother kevin durant to take care of the stop back them to come back durant and look. I got love for k. d. Y'all give the red nothing but love he run into the warriors no but they called him. Chris thank called him play monks. I-in steph was chilling at home with. I remember his wife's name. He was good he was a rally in the rest of the kids and they were having fun. 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PMS 2.0 161 - Live From The Boom Booms. JuJu, Kyle Van Noy, And The Incomparable Doug Flutie. Real Feel Good Super Bowl Friday

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PMS 2.0 161 - Live From The Boom Booms. JuJu, Kyle Van Noy, And The Incomparable Doug Flutie. Real Feel Good Super Bowl Friday

"Hello it's Friday January thirty first and I'm currently recording live from a hotel in Miami Florida. It's it's very very nice. It's it's set up like little van. I don't WanNa say the name because I don't WanNa make anybody's life miserable who's also staying at this hotel l.. Just in case you know from down here obviously forget up in the morning then our show from radio row taking off at ten. AM with drew. Brees fucking drew brees at the radio row. I think that'd be a good time ferry loud pool. Oh party happening directly next DOOR PROBABLY THE LOUDEST BASS I've ever heard my entire life in that. That is saying something because my brother and Nick Maroteaux and others were in car clubs. They used to put twelve in the back. Because anyways the boom booms on store in tomorrow's GonNa be Pretty Electric Day of belief among with rich Eisen. I think it's well now. I have no idea one. I don't know somewhere in that that time. Catch up with him chat with him. It's GonNa be a great day in the conversations we have for you today. I think you're gonNA like I think you're gonNA enjoy these pretty solid. I mean I I asked him real questions as some people here today. Juju ask some real questions. I think I think the situation between him and Antonio Brown is an interesting one land. Ask Him about it very much in the camp that I hope Antonio Brown figures it all out and gets back in the league and becomes a great member of society and keeps moving moving. I hope that very much but whenever you hear this Juju answer. I think you're GONNA be impressed with juju mightily today. Show is brought to you by seek the greatest ticket buying platform on planet earth. And all the boys in my lady over there eating so they won't say the mood if you're going to buy tickets to a live event right here on earth like for instance. I'm sure there's tickets fucking boom boom party happening next door right. Nobody Out this thing but they wanted to. I'm thinking about the tickets through because CQ has tickets to everything. COMEDIANS comedians. Sam Funny Shit on the stage. It's a good date concerts watching just elite individuals just completely savage of guitar or singing the hell out of a song and how about the live. Sporting event super bowl's coming up superb. Al I'm not sure I'M GONNA say it in the end the basketball you name it. They got tickets for for everything and right. Now you use Promo Code Pat the ten dollars off your first order. Promo Code McAfee twenty dollars off your first daughter all right. Let's get to the damn show here. It's a good today. I'll be traveling with a few of the boys down to Miami for the Super Bowl. The last time I did this the last time I traveled to Miami Super Bowl I was playing in the game and all week leading up to the Super Bowl. Friends and family were chitchatting. It's the biggest game of all time and I was twenty two year old. Twenty two years old had no idea how to punt was riding the coattails of peyton manning after four years or riding the coattails of Pat. Lighten Steve Slate. And I mean I was riding coattails into these magical months sugar bowl fiesta bowl gator bowl whole monarchy car care bowl in now we had won fourteen straight games in the regular season. I didn't even know how to but it didn't matter. We had peyton manning quarterback and a great defense then. We chose to lose two games which everybody was very upset about the. Oh Jeez deem like we want to knock out the seventy two dolphins for being the only team that was undefeated but bill. Polian made the decision for us to rest the starters the last two weeks because we didn't have to play them or have to win. We don't build advantage. We win. We get to the Super Bowl. Oh my God confettis flying. We're going to the Super Bowl and we take the trip down to Miami. It was incredible Peyton. Manning took us out the first night to dinner and then some drinks afterwards. Get a nice night's sleep. The next night I went out with the defense we ought to a couple of adult ballet's we had a great time. It was wild evening thing and then we all kind of hunkered down for the rest of the week. The you know what everybody we got a party out of us. We're down here in Miami. We we got everything we can put a potentially coming to us on Sunday. We got to play the New Orleans. Saints drew brees. Let's go ahead hunker down so for the entire week. We did. Our practices and practices. Were different. Because you've got all the stars are coming out. We practice at the Miami Dolphins facility which is very nice place by the way he got palm trees very windy. I mean there was a nightmare to punt. It might as well not even did anyways over the place Chris. Berman was walking. There was like people. Just come into our practice. That weren't normally their shaking hands. Kissing babies. There was an entirely different world. Obviously XLII but when I was talking to my friends and family like hey man you could potentially be kicking off the super bowl and I was like well. I don't think about that. That's going to happen sucking so now as we get closer to the game like you're gonNA kick off the Super Bowl. You cannot embarrassed your family and your friends like that's not gonNA happen. Don't worry about that so he finally did. After Game Day. I got to warm up. I get a chance to talk to Dion Sanders right there. Lifelong dream being a big fan of that guy. I'm putting to Reggie Bush in the game so I strike up a little conversation Masuma Dion. He has no idea exist obviously go. Hey Matt Reggie Bush's returner. What would you do if you were me? And he was like keep it out his hands. Boy Well Well Dion I wish I could control punts like you think I could. I have no idea where this is going. I was drafted opponent of knowing how to then as the game continues to go on. I see my family and friends in the top row of the stadium. Top top top. Row The stadium. Obviously when you're a rookie punter you get a lot of pull with your super bowl. Tickets in my family was at the top row. They were literally. They could've rappel down the outside and stand him if they wanted to write so I drove down on the field. I see him up there and I'm like man. This is awesome. You know this is really cool to be here. This is just for opening warm ups or whatever it might want friends you're gonNA kick off the Super Bowl Guy. I don't even think about it. I don't anyone think about it as the game goes are as the warm ups. Go on I want to get a picture of my dad's got a camera you know. It's like a magical moment. I have to go over to where the super bowl forty forty four sign is or whatever on the field drew. BREES is on her warming up through my Dad Modesto carry you get the hell out of the way. Yeah boy so I stand. Take Picture with my dad. How's it going on to see it's you know it doesn't feel like it's a real game? The crowd is a dominant saints crowd. It's on a dominance imminence colts crowd. It's just like an interesting crowd very corporate. You've got a lot of people that just goes so. Just everything felt different in felt weird you know and as I go back inside Vegetarians. He's looking at me. He's not playing in the game because he was like. Hey there's only been a few people have kicked off. A super could vinnie. I'm already here for my friends and family. I don't need to hear from you that isn't Massimo and I'm not prepared for you so we'll get prepared for it potentially have hope not so we go out there and you got the national anthem. Carrie underwood sang she crossed. Obviously it was a great singing performance and then it came time for the coin. Toss and I'm just kind of walking around on sideline and they go out there and drew brees calls it boom. They win the Super Bowl or they win the coin. Toss and I go no. He's GonNa want the ball. Drew brees the saints have won the Coin Toss and they have elected to receive. And I'm like damn it here. We go so I hi The equipment manager that was talked to his. Name's FROG FROG had mitee every time fraud. Kim comes up to me and he goes. Hey give it a ride kid and I go how about you. How about you? Don't worry about it you're gonNA be okay frog. What if I hit the worst opening kickoff in the history of the Super Bowl? He's like you're not. You're going to be good. I it was like I feel like there's a chance I could at some point. Somebody's GonNa have the worst kickoff in the history of the Super Bowl at some point. Somebody's GONNA kick the set of balance. That could be me today. He goes no no no not you pet but if it it was pretty memorable. Oh my God so I get the tea and I go onto the huddle I pat. You WanNa kick left kick right. Let's just hope. Hope I get it off the team. Painless I WANNA kick it demonstrating okay. Let's just do that. We're just do you sure you don't WanNa kick left. I just want to get it off. The T. Okay you've got so I go out onto the field. I put my down in. This is the first time in my life. I've really been incredibly nervous my entire life. This is the first time I've ever been incredibly. Did we nervous. I played in a lot of big moments and missed some big kicks but I was never nervous. I think it was always because I had a lack of nerves almost kind of too relaxed in situations. This is the first time in my life. Where accurate feel my entire Sphinx? Just tied up as tight as a capacity we get. It was tighter than new Atlanta Stadium. When I was so nervous I go down? I put the T. down and I look up in the Skycam like right here and I'm like well. Why is that there? I mean so I go down act. Like I'm fidgeting what the Teagan I looked back up in the REF walks over to me and he hands me the ball and he goes Good luck today. Man if you're GONNA hit an onside kick just let us know whatever. I'm not hitting an onside kick. What's your name names Greg? Congratulations on getting a rough. The Super Bowl he goes congrats UTAH. Utah like let's see. Let's see if this is a celebration mom or not. He hands me the ball and he goes good luck. And I'm like Youtube Greg. So Greg backs out Greg. Steve's his name I put the ball on the tee I look back up skycam still just staring at me. I'm like well this thing. Get the hell out of here so as an act like putting the ball back down again skycam goes flying out on like US awesome so I take my steps back in the first time in my life I really like took it in the moment my now my God. I'm kicking off the Super Bowl right now. Well this is pretty cool and I normally would point to the farthest Guy Right. See if he's ready like. Hey you ready over there. Farthest guy left you ready over there that gives a signal to everybody else on the kickoff team that we're about to. This is the first time I looked to my right. In the way. Kickoff teams are counted is outside and it goes one two three four five. And then you let your L. One two three four five my why are five. His eyes were glued open. It looked like I've never seen anybody that either scared or focused and I like looked at which we ready ready all right and you ready up. I look up at the play clock. Whereabouts get a delay game on the opening kickoff at the Super Bowl? After all of this magic so I go running at the ball and as I get about three yards four yards away from it flashes. Just start going. Oh my is my penis. Take all my God flashes everywhere. I barely even make contact with the ball. It gets off. Obviously there's incredible incredible photo that my mom and dad have house kicking it off and it wasn't the best kickoff in the history of the super bowl but wasn't the worst a- and that my friends is damn good news. I'M EXCITED TO GET DOWN TO MIAMI. I'm excited to do the radio row thing tomorrow morning. I'm excited to watch one hundred. NFL season come to the end this weekend. And although it brings up terrible memories in hindsight I really wish we would have won the coin. Toss in got the ball because that that second half kickoff really ended up to be pretty important play in the history of the things. Sean Payton talked about that this morning on profootballtalk. He said they were banking on basket bailing and instead hank basket didn't bail took a bad hop before the before he could get the hang of it in the hold of it and I'll tell you what does life was never been the same since that moment and there's a lot of people that get blamed for the loss of that game and none of them are meat and I feel it's very very good about that but there's obviously a lot of memories here and none of them are good. None of them are good. I mean getting the Blitzer. Zor Boy guesses cool. Getting the kickoff super bowl is cool. Beheading back down there. It's basically. They're having a celebration of the saints team. That won ten years ago. Everything I mean. It's just I can't wait to get down there joining us now representing putting on for Gatorade more specifically boat twenty four a a pro bowler and Internet sensation. A man who is an absolute stud on and off the field ladies and gentlemen wide receiver of the Pittsburgh's Burg's diller's Juju Smith. Joe How are you brother. I'm doing great man. Thank you I appreciate you on the show. Hey No problem John. Thank you for coming on. You're a legend. Let's talk about both twenty four and what it means to you. And what ruins specific. What is Gatorade Undo? Boats only four thirty four Basically as a new product it's You know basically I use it for. That's right When I'm when I'm outside and I'm in the club and you know I drink body and heating. Obviously I use gatorade. Okay I respect the hell out of that I was with Gatorade for a while. Then I hopped over to pedialyte during where my party back together eight. Obviously it's optimal performance in both twenty four delicious. Now let's talk about you Ju- you were a guy who got it when it came. I'm to being an entrepreneur and everything like that off the field utilizing your platform in your incredible abilities in the NFL to propel yourself off of the field. Now I'm from Pittsburgh Berg right so whenever I saw you doing taking advantage of this type of opportunity off the field and becoming this super celebrity that you become gaming road and on Youtube I knew that there was a chance I was also somebody who was very active business wise while playing. I knew that there was a chance if any type of stumble in you're playing came whether it was an injury or or anything like that would happen. That ins in particular would hold everything that you were doing off the field against you. That's kind of happened this year by dumb people not smart people but dump people people did you get to hear any of that noise this year. You were riddled with injury. Beginning of the season coach passes away. I mean this was a tough year from you and for you in a lot of people who started targeting the Internet stuff like because of it. Oh for sure you know. We don't perform at the highest level to have high expectations The first year about always straight so much games much running stuff too many sponsors. He's doing too much stuff off the You know I think that's how it was but you know if myself focused got the noise Those are the things that I knew I was Gonna come with me here and all that stuff It was tough season. You know the situation. We have different quarterbacks personal injuries to my knees but then day a second my finish the season. You're no stranger so going through hard times I looked into your story a little bit your high school from what I read during your high school years. You were sleeping on the floor of garage basically what the rest of your family then you go the USC you become a superstar and then now you're in the NFL taking care of your family. It's a beautiful story of guy that goes now. I don't want to say rags-to-riches but from hard hard times good times is that something you'll lean on for whenever you get. Maybe you know people coming after you in a sad way that you're mentally tough to get through anything. Yeah Yeah for sure man. I think my mental very tough situation where you know I've been to the lowest Drake's star from the bottle so With Myself Mad about man I I. I didn't have any of this. You know I'm grateful for all of this humble so all I can do is go up here. You Never Ever Stop being the entrepreneur that your eye swollen you know the game will end at some point for everybody this entrepreneur in this real estate that you're gathering gathering on the Internet. We'll be here forever. It's very intelligent of you. I want you to let you know no matter what anybody says you can tell them. Go forty eight themselves automatically Samat say no problem. I did a lot of this whenever I was by not to your level but I did a lot of same thing and I knew that if I had any stumbles at all or I was much less important player team but I knew that if I wasn't perfect people are going to say things I saw happening to you and I was like. I hope he doesn't get shy or shy away from this now. I gotTA pivot. You became the number one guy which Lottomatica automatically becomes with a lot of pressure. The guy that you were in a wide receiver meeting room with Antonio Brown has been a known hater publicly of yours. Did you see this coming whenever ever youtuber teammates or this kind of come out of nowhere. Carrie came out of nowhere. Came out of left field on nights but any of this you know about you know the before her first couple of years like you know we always talked about being great and dominating and that's what we did. Last night we played with each other. We both idle thousand dollars or one hundred hundred catches Eh. What's going off to social media? Wise is pretty pretty crazy. This yeah it seems as if now this is from an outsider's perspective and actually had a pretty good relationship with Antonio Brown as I assume you did as well wherever started taking shots at you. I think a lot of people are like why is he acting like this towards Juju instead head of helping him out and building him up which. I assume that you guys did whenever you're in wide receiver. Is that accurate. Will you to a team. That was trying to help each other out for a long time and then all of this kind of just boo. Oh what is happening. Yeah minnows was you know we're kind of like no half handling. Let's both be great. Let's do this both retry go and and You know this will happen. You know with him and throws so. It's tough situation okay. So let's let's pivot to Mike Tomlin because what you guys guys were able to do this year without Ben Rothlisberger trading in for Minka Fitzpatrick being able to get as many wins as you did in a potential playoff run. Almost what is my tom and like as a coach does he get the. Why doesn't get enough respect? I think is other coaches. Do much why I think one of the best customer I've had is because he's so authentic. He's so real He keeps it out as he doesn't beat around the Bush on these is one of the coaches that he'll he'll tell you straight up you know how if you're GONNA lose your job or you're listening you're in you know how it is and it just so crazy because a lot of guys walk now I want to help you not might time is gonNA mean like no if you're not producing me this like we got other players ready to come home on a couch ready to place you on those guys that's always keeps through. What are you doing this off? Season to get better and football man. I'm training with training Tori talent. He's one on one session but he joyal other guys. Just get it lane losing weight AAC cutting up getting faster all routes and stuff like that so Trying next Ben Rothlisberger. Is this quarterback that has been perennially. Great I mean little legitimately massive numbers great quarterback but off the field. Sometimes he says things where people go. That's not what the League it. quarterbacks do this year while Ben was on the bench and while he was injured in out was he around. Was He helping out as much as possible. And how do you view your relationship with Ben Rothlisberger. The Samaritan ship then is amazing. Awesome you know. My first year is Kinda tough because he doesn't like our the series. I guess when you've had a guy who's being Fifty years plus and You know we had to work towards that group myself. I can play with him. And that's what I did our relationship with great You know this all this past season you know. He's been hurried entry since we do. You know he's been around actually. He's been traveling. He's been in office he. He's been helping us us out. He's just one of those guys and wants the best for the team. What's the streamer bowl? What's going on with that? and Are you GonNa win it. Yeah yeah man with my Google today Last year when I woke up on my solo player so cool man Sharon Bowles basically everybody else you as the beginning us by second to a two with Russian up for not playing a pro athlete. How long have you been in the game? You've been Gamer for the recent history here and are you worth worth a damn at it very very long time are you. Are you good. Yes stopping it. When you play imagine you throw the ball to yourself? Every time Yeah usually a Sunday game finally get the ball enough. I go home to its muscle. It also be a part of the prefight productions that on zone for the Jake Paul fight. What are you looking forward into? That man is my i. I'm super excited for you. Know just to be under zone. Hey our guys everybody out there mass cool to see a Jake Paul you know. Aw Man suicide there's a big youtuber All my family watches him as we pretty closely about judy you. You should go duck hunting with duck for YouTube video. That's just something I'm thinking. James Washington does it to our team. I think the idea about the experts pretty cool. What light that? And what do you do whenever you're thinking of videos concepts for your. Do you have a team with you. Oh you do a lot of great stuff like even Pittsburgh charitable stuff on your youtube. You do a lot of really good stuff. What does the process behind that whole thing? May Honesty meant by Monday. And you're GONNA do do this do it. So for example. Water balloon fight like two days before like it's almost like also like three or four hundred people showed up the big room. Find Pittsburgh talk for ten years and what's going on in the world our Russell how much I'll ask US pretty cool man the money you spend you make it back. Hey Man Dan hey a men Amen Ladies and gentlemen pro baller Guy who's going to get back into good graces with the city of Pittsburgh Berg next year whenever he dominates not that isn't already but just the dummies out there. Wide Receiver from Pittsburgh steelers youtube sensation about to be a streamer bowl champion and you can catch them on. Tonight's prefight production with zone. Juju Smith Schuster specialists. Hi That was interesting. came out of nowhere. I was excited to talk to that literally. The only thing to ask about was that because what do you call them. pooh-pooh Kabuki shoes. That's what he's called. But the thing that Tony around with. Do that like a lot of people from the outside now. Obviously we're learning more and more about Antonio Brown as the days go no one right. I think we're all learning more and more about him and it's only a brown. I still feel as if there's a chance for him to potentially turn us all around if he gets his mental health. Shut down right if you can figure out a way to get his chemicals chemicals balanced which is something that has to happen for some people inning. Get back with that. It'd be great if feels like that's what's happening. I'm no doctor but whenever going after Juju a lot of people were very I was like why is he going after Judah because he looks bitter whenever that happens and that's kind of what I think it's because Juwan team. MVP The year before an AB was not happy about that cares. He he does. I mean Yeah Judas and for people who come at Juju for like doing all. He's twenty three years old kid smart though. Yeah by the way whenever you're sleeping on a garage for whenever you're in high school and six siblings and just I mean now you've made it. It's like you know what I WanNa make sure that this money's coming forever ever and he's GonNa have to have a better year. He's going to have to now going. He got hurt. His coach passed away. There's a lot of things that fall into that especially being professional athlete. Whenever you're at seventy five percent you're not gonNA look as good as you did? It potentially ninety one hundred percent which I think happened but I think for him I think he gets back in and dominate next year. It's going to be a beautiful town for all windsors everywhere everywhere Coming to you live from the boom booms once again to let you know that this is an important. PSA brought to you by MANSCAPING DOT com. This is your public. nope sorry pubic. I've been arenas wrong. I've been wrong the entire time. This is your pubic service announcement after more than eighteen months of research and development. The manscaping impinging nearing team has confirmed that they've successfully created the greatest ball. Hair trimmer ever created the greatest ball hair trimmer ever created. There's been a lot of ball hair trimmers that have been created up until this point. But what I'm saying during this. Pubic Service announcement is that this is the greatest one ever. This new trimmer was just released days ago. 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Payton man of the year is a massive massive accolade the NFL. It's not an easy thing to accomplish. You're going to be good human. It's one care for the rest of your life. I was walk straight man of the year for the colts. I still. We'll talk about it and remember it to this day. Congratulations on all the incredible work in the in the community is that something. You really focused on yes. I do a big part part of who I am as a person I want to get back. You know. I've I've given sweat shirts off my back. That's what that's what I'm about you know. Someone's in need. I'm I'm they're for him and without my wife and is foundation the Vanoy Valor Foundation. We strengthen those in our communities foster care adoption adoption and struggling youth and we just WanNa give them success for the future and whatever it is they want to do. And that's what I WANNA do with nationwide I want. I want to take that next except nationally with them and I hope I'm pick so I can't take it. I hope you don't get it when you win. Do you have an award speech plant. Hell no tile. You're very confident man. You're good on camera. You're good in conversation conversation. But some of those people that choose to go off the top of those awards viral moments for being terrible. I gotTa tell you a quick one. So the Patriots do One they give every year. It's the Ron Burton award right. And they don't tell you I go up in front on a all the sponsors for New England all my players and I say I'm so thankful for the family of Ron and before I even thought about it I almost said Burgundy and I and my body just like stop up and then one of my teammates like Burton's so after I get done I almost said right after Ron Burton almost a AH classy Sanjay anchor. Man You deserve to win the Ron Burgundy award as well every time you come on here I appreciate the hell l. out of your statements. Now obviously I have to ask you. This year for the Patriots was different. This was a different year for you guys. This was a different Europe there. There's there's a lot of conversation and chatter surrounding foxborough including you. I think you're a free agent is well. What is your few we go? Yeah Hey I I only only three eight and I know Tom Brady a little better. That nobody's talking about Calvin L. now. I WanNA talk about Tom. Let's get it. We could talk about Tom. I've been I've been throwing up storms over here. I've one radio show. I said he's retiring the one he's going to Las Vegas to walk out of the country. I saw in dorms. We're going to have a hell of a time answering all my own artifacts so for the PAT McAfee show here. What do you think is going to happen with Tom? Brady I think Tom Brady is GonNa stay at home off. He's going to Miami uh-huh in there. You loved it down. There is no like warm weather. He likes more all of these things. Things are legitimately possible. Let's talk about your future though. What is your plan? What are you thinking well? You just had an incredible season. That defense was dominant. You gotTa be thinking that things are going to be very good. Let's see you this off season. I as you hit free agency. Yeah I think I'll have some option I want to do. What's best for my family? And I. I want to set up my my little legend Financially so obviously he's going to work his ass off that ain't happening but if things go south you ought. Aw I'll have a plan set up for him to be can take care of himself. What's your little legends name? Oh trae legend. I forgot what his nate. That's an incredible day. That is absolutely incredible. Now here's a question winning the Walter Payton Man of the year in New England is a massive deal because that means you've taken care of that community and beautiful fashion. Now you're hitting free agency. Is that something that's GonNa way heavy. 'CAUSE you're big community up here it is I. I would love to stay in England and not only because of the fan base and what Massachusetts now means to me but more importantly the players the friendships that I made with some of those players runs deep. You know they're gonNA be there my brothers for life what we've gone through. I know you said it's a different season in New England just because we lost and didn't go to the Super Bowl but we made the play offs. How many teams can say that and not many? We did that and obviously we didn't reach our goals. But I like how people say the different in New England only because we didn't make the super bowl which is absolutely insanity coast still. We had a good special teams and it just didn't end with the right result. We wanted to add Megan. It to talk. Isn't that insane though. That really is what this all spurs around the fact that the New England patriots didn't make the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is like a home for you guys. Shane made like h straight pro pro bowl or something like that. So they're like hey. He has a little legitimate walker at the pro bowl. If you guys have a legitimate locker room at the Super Bowl that's what it's felt like for the last twenty years so anytime he hit that. That's a massive. Everybody's like Oh they're dead. Yeah I have a question for you. Do you feel because I feel that it does. They have the same juice this year that I have in previous years kyle. This feels as if you're asking a question that has a very personal personal reason behind it and maybe a little bit of no it's more. I'm more I'm speaking of New England. I'm not speaking of myself thinking of New England. Do you feel like the juice is different this year than previous years. Even go all the way to the steelers and cardinals game. I guess you're right. It does feel as if there's not as much use now granted devastating loss at the beginning of the week to a legend in sports world. Right so it became something and I think even if you guys were there that would be something. I would have dominated the first half of the week because a lot of them. You know what I mean. But you're a hundred percent right though. There's John Story lines coming out of the super bowl other than everybody wondering Patrick Mahomes is going to be able to defeat that defense and your is good defense. Speak good offense your defensive player. I assume you figure that. Oh that's tough I personally. I don't think these teams match up very well with each other. That's my personal. Take defensively offensively. They have strength and weaknesses on the niners. Offensively the chiefs have strengths and weaknesses. You know but the niners offense is really good. The chiefs defense is weighing. Good at late I I. Just don't think they match up very well and I think he's painting you. You think Eric Offense wins over this whole thing. Do you think mahomes would be able to figure it out. You think Andy Reid finally gets one first time. In fifty years the chiefs have been super bowl. Yeah Yeah Andy. Reid is a Helluva coach. Give them two weeks with the same thing with Shannahan. I think the niners will because they're going to get a nuff stop and I don't think chiefs defense. Will you have a question. Dick's Oh no I was just gonNa say earlier that he was saying that there's not enough or not as much which energy around simple I think it's because the fans are like fifty fifty split. When New England was in ninety nine percent of the country was ruining against knowing? Let's drive by Hate Hugo. Everybody hates us. I think when you come to our point by point along a lot of people a lot of people tweet me whenever you're on this a show that they don't want to like you they would like to hate you strictly because you're a patriot and you make it very difficult. That's something to think about going to this offseason or you are in Coke Mason. Jason You you you love. MD They hate. They hate the Patriots. Now I'd hate run deep even. Hey you even hate me but you gotta I respect it but I do think oh. Here's something I have to ask you before we get out of here. Joe Judge hired as a head coach. Good higher for the giants I think. So Oh I think so if he if you can yes. He's a ball of energy. If he can take his energy he has and consistently assistant Lee each and every day lying it up with that positive energy and not go. ooh All over the place. I think they're going to be really really good. 'cause he's a really good coach. He loves football. That's not me selling him. I should straight back. He loves football. I mean his country so speaking. He's all over the place when he gets going is money I he loves football I. I'm excited for him with the giant LASCO's giants right. Oh they have a lot of money off before we get out of here. Is that little so brace that you have on your left ring finger. The reason why the Patriots lost this year was a devastating injury. They're all my middle finger. Good Hey Walter Payton man of the year brother Will you ladies and gentlemen thank you. I appreciate it. Shout out sat out mazing man. They're great hey off the top. That's speech I can't wait to hear it. Ladies Gentlemen Calvin undefeated PAC man. What's gone? I'm not making your head bigger. I'm seriously I love what you're doing. You're killing it and I thank you so much. Good luck with your anytime Tom. You WanNa come on here you let me know okay. I'm in the hair he's a he's a good dude. Yeah Classic Dick Dude Man Class about as good as they come and everybody the first time he's on the show all anybody said was man. I don't WanNA listen to this because I would like to hate the Patriots. Any any makes it very difficult to hate the Patriots. He's a free agent though and they just had a monster year defensive Golfer New England normally you could sell a team has goodbye when they they cut a player for another team. Picks them up right so there for a while on our team. We cut a player. Nobody who pick them up the Patriots kind of player. That person has claimed on waivers the next day it's like. Hey we trust US ballot. Check enough that. If he brought them in a reason he was in their dominant there. He's going to the market. There's GonNa be a lot of money for a little legend Film Junkie Film Rat Fred Fred Warner who's a budding young linebacker another. Byu Guy Loves Kyle. Van Noy said he's the reason he's as good as he is now. He's improved as much as he is because he vanoise the guy who taught him. Hey you gotta watch film like this. That's been oi does for a lot of the other guys around Walter Payton Man of the year huge. That is that is something that says. Hey off the field this guy stop. Stop just as much as on the field for Calvin welcome back to the booms. They're still going over over there. I don't think there's a single human at the party. But they have been either testing the sound system to Max or they've been having a party for just a couple of people in a couple a couple of people just running the whole place out. That's what I'm talking about honesty. That's what I'm talking about. We've we parked to play. There was more yachts in more more big planes that I've ever seen in my entire life ever. There might be more money in Miami right now than any other city. Divide problem thank you. There's a lot of rich people here. And if to rich people just running out this entire Party and having them play Max speakers. That's my favorite. The thing I've ever heard it could be happening. There's here's digs by the way digs just came into the conversation. We're standing at the end of a two time. Olympic length pool. Is that an accurate statement. Two time Olympic length pool. We are in a place that we should not be people walking by that. We don't know obviously palm trees everywhere in the boom booms. Next door's still pounding now. I want to ask you one question question when what was the last time you were driving through torn thought. Wow I love you nope I love not. Those words are blending together. Not being being able to see when I drive. Yeah you probably haven't now driving in bad weather doesn't have to be a headache. Thinks New Michelin Endurance. Xt Silicone wiper blades. These blades last through everything. Thank Tie Schmidt steps up to bat out of the park into the river verve. Michelin just put their new endurance. Xt Silicone wiper blades to the ultimate test on a world record breaking sixteen eighteen thousand mile job from Alaska to show you just out durable these blades. Rainiers Zeitler was the man behind the wheel wheel and he put the Michelin Endurance. 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He knew you were good at that when you did that. dropkick was there any panic or chance. If you just completely shaking off. The back of the head and offense alignment crapshoot. No doubt about it. It's a drop kick in the middle of that field dirt and bunches of grass and I had to find a nice smooth spot it was. I kept my fingers. 'cause you could have gone anywhere then. A Terry actually was on the brink of breaking records with the Patriots. Or maybe a league record. Kurt and I kicked drop kicked the last regular season point of the regular season. You had to wait until the following year to break the record. He wasn't very happy about it but it was fun. Moment when I hit it I knew I hit it solid and it was up and drew and all that but seriously Very good chance. That could have gone anywhere and it was the last play my career and if I missed that my wife had the live live with me the rest of the last guy I would have been one frustrated I that was the last time you stepped on the field to last place. Did you knew it. You knew it going out there to this. Is it for me. This is the last one. I've had this legendary career in Canadian football league. I've come over to the NFL. I've had fantastic thing. I did great in college. This it all comes down to the final taste in my mouth. Is this complete now. I'm a pretty good drop kicker but if you had to ask me in the middle of the game I have no idea how would go with the timing and everything it all comes down to this for your taste of your mouth forever. I did not know that. Yeah I and my wife's in the sand thinking the same thing she goes. I'm going to have to deal with this if you mrs as to what was going on and I I realized I'm not gonNA play in the playoffs. Who Got Tom Brady? We got well Matt Castle. was there at the time I wasn't gonNA play. Brady's GonNa win the Super Bowl Ring. Hopefully and She's up the Sam Stein explained to people when she sees me out on the field. She knows what's going on and she's telling her friends. Oh my God he's GonNa drop kick all my there's a what. What are you talking talking about? No way so It was it was a health moment for her. Thank goodness they'll check told me like the two seconds before I ran on the field. 'cause we attracted to do it a couple of weeks earlier and ended up not doing it and hadn't even talked about it for two week. Spur of the moment. I didn't have time to get nervous. I just ran out in the middle. They were happy for you. That's not easy to do. You're stuck with that now. Let's talk about Tom. Brady who you just mentioned in their gay. He's older older. You played until you're older. I think you could still play right now if you had to. What do you think is a realistic expectation of Tom? Brady here to finish out his career I think he i. I don't think he wants to end on a pick six. I don't think he wants to end on a bad taste in his mouth. He still is playing a supremely high level I think I think Tom got two or three years if he wants him. I it's all in motivation. What motivates it's a guy at his age that has had success? He had For ME I. I'm still trying to prove people. I can play it at fifty seven years old. So that's why I played. Well I played Joel Forty three. That's why I kept playing as long as I did. Tom Doesn't need that but he still is driven. And as long as he's drew physically. It's it's not a problem. His arm is still there. The mental capacity gets stronger and stronger for him and he still has that fire and that fires there. You can play as long as we want. I needed to play at at forty three years old for me to be successful. I had to be athletic. I still had to make people miss and move around. Tom Doesn't need to do that. He needs his art. You're in standing there. And he still has the so the feeling I mean he could play on. She wants to play but it it it comes down to. How driven is the fire? Still there and right now the TB twelve treatment. I mean it's very I don't know if they have the flutie flakes in the TB twelve. Lifestyle is have you ever. You heard of anything like morning routine on the TV twelve or thirteen the TB twelve. Thing is something that is captivated the attention of a lot of athletes though this ability to have pliability in your muscles Ph levels and then the food that you eat and all that stuff. Is that something that you mess around with lighter later Judas trying to be. I stopped at McDonalds on the way to the facility. I grab pizza at night but I I just feel. I'm GONNA eat what I want to run an extra five. Hi Miles. I don't care I I was a workout nut but my thing was I didn't lift weights heavy. I did very light lifting. I looked at my legs a little bit Iran hills. Walter Payton taught me to run hills when we were in Chicago together That was my leg strength. I was about flexibility pliability and just stay in loosen nimble the extra five ten pounds of Balkh. We're not gonNA save me from getting her from a two hundred and eighty three hundred pound guys so I always wanted to be quick white on my season flexible and it wasn't a science for me but I think things are geared that way now. I think people that all these injuries I I agree with. It's it's the flexibility especially as you get older which is much more important. Okay so you just mentioned a man's name there who's up has an award named after him for being a good human and Walter Payton. Now you've been around the NFL the NFL all these legendary players whose one player that sticks out in your mind you go. Damn that guy was a freak return on the football field athletically. Yeah athletically the first day while for me in Buffalo Eric Moulds it wide receiver. It was crazy to me Eric. Moulds was he got me the pro bowl. That's all. I emailed US one on one. He's getting the ball on throwing not the other. I played with Walter Right at the end of his career. So Magana and Tomlinson came as a rookie in San Diego carrying the football and he guys missing a phone booth. We were playing the Patriots. Unblocked defenders coming through a hole in a simple die play. He made a little jump. Cut made a mis- or Patriots up through sixty four yard touchdown run His sheer ability to accelerate make people miss Was Crazy Tracy but for me guys I played with those are the two that stand out the athletically. I should have done more research. You're in Buffalo Chicago. The chargers New England CFL anywhere else. USFL DONALD TRUMP NEW JERSEY generals my rookie year. That league lasted the show. Title Herschel Walker with my Tailback Maurice Carson at full-back kept whole perennial pro bowler with our center. We had fifteen guys on that team. Go to the pro global later. I'm surprised trump doesn't use that in his speeches. Now I started League fifteen. Everybody's talking about Tom Potentially leaving New England in going and playing somewhere else and they're like you know the grass is always greener when he go to another organization you've played in three different leagues different facilities different organizations. Is there something to that thought that Tom Think about are you. Do you find respect everywhere but the number one thing is staying in the same offense per year after year after year com has built on that you guys can come in. You can line people up right away. You can make adjustments on the fly. You can see things on the field you can do things with terminology. That just are instantaneous reaction. Because you've done it before. We did this five years years ago against Green Bay. We did this against who all that goes a long way to your comfort zone if you go to a new team new people new terminology. It's starting over and it's nice. It's very difficult. I bounced around a lot. That was my biggest frustration in my career was I couldn't stay in the same system for a long period of time and continue to build on and that is a big big fan of it and then you can go into a situation with pitas just not as talented and you don't even have an opportunity to win okay. So like for instance right now. Philip rivers is in Florida. He moved his family from San Diego to Florida. He wasn't willing to move to Los Angeles when he went to Los Angeles. But a lot of people are saying there's potential interest from the buccaneers and Philip Rivers. That'd be a brand new offense. It'd be a Bruce Arians. Offense is it. Is it going to be very difficult for these quarterbacks who have all this experience experience in the NFL. They've been there done that with everything. Philip rivers hasn't won a super bowl a damn near everything else. He's done it. Would it be that difficult to pick up a new offense at this later stages life you can pick it up. There's a difference between knowing the offense and know when you read and then no one like the back of your hand on and and being able to call on things instantaneously with the shot clock going down the three seconds on the play clock and I want to change the protection and I want to get a to a route because I see this or that. It's something you've done for fifteen years it's automatic to you. You recognize things and you know. Now you recall is is that what do we call that. Okay we'll call it and you're late or there's just that little bit of hesitation it's just different. It's not the same level Mr Facility. WE'RE IN INDIANA. I take frequent ships to south. Bend all they talk about getting urban Meyer as the head coach of Notre Dame. You have any insight into that. I don't I think careful what you ask for Brian Kelly is one ten in four years in a row with ten wins undefeated needed seasons playing for National Championships playing in the College Football playoff just a year ago. An eleven win season this year. And he he'd going undefeated speeded and got beating the College Football playoff a year ago and this year went eleven games and I have somebody walk up to me in southend say. When are we going to be good and only one team wins it all? I think he's got a phenomenal job. there's different. There's different challenges at Notre Dame the academic requirements with Brian. Kelly will not and and he said it's a big issue. He's like you know what we used to bring one or two that. Were marginally year that maybe we should get in when you spend seventy percent of your time trying to keep that kid. Eligible fight putting out fires and trying to help the kit. You spend seventy percent of your time with one or two kit. It's not worth it anymore. They don't make that big of a difference for your program to have those so he just you know he's going with this quality kids that meets recommendations nations the requirements at Notre Dame. And and. That's what you have. They still had a lead athletes especially in the defensive line that go top rounds and play in the NFL. They have that caliber caliber. Talent without having to deal with a lot of the issues with you. All Right Doc. Before we let you go working by flutie flakes at I'm a serial tweak flutie flakes dot COM We brought him out again. This year I went up to buffalo phenomenal visit and they were jumping off the shelves again. It's all for autism in your foundation brokers and so it's all the support that WHO's won the super bowl this weekend. He matured most points quarterback. The guy loves spread reading them out willing to be on playing and There's just a lot of speed on that offense. I know the pass rushing scraped from San Francisco. That's the big match up. But I'll Casey Ladies and gentlemen legend in the football world flutie flakes Creator Duckling. Thank you thank God now. Joining US new head coach of the Washington Redskins a man who could've taken any NFL job after what he did for the Carolina Panthers the legendary Dairy Riverboat Gambler. Ron Rivera. I'll tell you with the build up like that. I better not screw it up. Well coach my my first question. Thank you so much for joining us by the way. Congratulations on the GIG. Why did you could've taken? I don't know if you know this but the rest of the world knew this. You could've taken any job you wanted as the head coach because of how high revered you are by everybody why the Washington redskins well you know. What's interesting PAT was? One thing that I did is I was at. I got out of IT CAROLINA IN MY press conference I say look. I don't want to wait around. I don't WanNa take your I wanna get back into it. I love the Game Games. been outstanding to me And I just feel I still I have a lot to offer And so as I was going through the process and in reflecting the opportunity with the redskins came up and so I had an opportunity to to talk to several people. That knew Mr Snyder And a lot of positive things were said. And then I got connected with Joe Gibbs and coach Gibson. I spent some time on the phone talking Doc Then I had an opportunity may with Mr Snider. We talked about certain things He told me. Hey take a look at our lost so I started breaking down there. Ross I watched some game taper. Everybody I saw on tape. I wrote up. You know everybody from the kicker the long snapper to honor I wanNa make sure I got that in there for you had and then he did offense defense but then I looked at the roster on paper. I looked at how young that team was. I looked at the last three drafts and the success. They have those players. Those guys were playing a lot of football and they're playing pretty good pretty competitive They worked hard at competing. They didn't win a lot of football game but they were young guys play and I thought that that meant something for sin after sitting down with the owner talking about his philosophy on things talking about his vision The plan the process what he saw what he thought And then I shared my my outlook on things. We had a great conversation. When I finished I went back and I met with Joe Gibbs everything I talked about with starter Joe is right behind? We talked about that and it made me realize there's fitness. There's a there's a there's a good fit that's so interesting because now you know this the PR behind. Dan Snyder is not always a good. One assumes that you potentially had in your mind like hey. I don't know if I could do this and after after meeting him. You had a complete one. Eighty s accurate. I did I had a complete one eighty but also talking to several people that Mr Snider on a more intimate basis let it worked for and people that work with him and people who didn't work with them but from the outside in knew what was happening and so it's just interesting to hear their perspective. It really was and everything we think seemed to match up. I did not come across a negative person Other than people that were with them twenty years ago fifteen years ago what I heard all the positive the thing that people have worked with them in the last ten to five years. That's awesome to hear by the way can't wait to see you succeed there to succeed. They're going to have to make a quarterback decision right twain. In haskins there played great football at the end of the season. They were giving people headaches. Great teams they were giving him real headaches. Alex Smith is coming back from an injury. You have the number two pick you. You have a lot of big time decisions to make. Assume you haven't been finalized on any of these. The which way are you leaning in that department. Well the biggest thing is this one the philosophy that we carried into when I got to Carolina. And that was we had the idea who are franchise quarterback was we've got to be able to protect them with a positive offensive line and tight end. That can help a lot And we had to put playmakers only makers around us and so that was our plan going forward. Well look if you know what we have right now with the Redskins the biggest thing we noticed dwayne showed the prompt did a lot of good things that the young quarterback he was the first round pick. Remind me a little bit of our guy that we hadn't Carolina Alex Smith like you mentioned potentially coming back off the leg. If Alice comes back he city see any sums of the player he was in the past. We've got a good player there. We also have a good young developing player which means they're going to create some competition guys are gonNA push each other. Help them develop Alex History with Patrick. Mahomes is outstanding dealing with a young quarterback and we could get the same situation here again. OBI THAT ALEX is healthy. Thank you compete. You look at these this draft. There's a lot of big names at the top but it's also littered with very talented people. You have a very valuable pick their number two. Do you see a lot of work needed to the Washington redskins roster we take a shot on a big guy. You think it's going to be interesting. Everything is on the table. I mean we don't know what we're going to do with the number two pick. We you know what's going to happen in front of us. We don't know what's GonNa Happen in front of us. They've gotTa make a decision. I mention that he does. And then we'll go from there so we're GonNa take a look at everything we're GONNA play down we're GONNA we're going to interview players we're GONNA scout players we're GonNa go to the code as we're GONNA bring him out to see us. We're GONNA go through the entire process and we're going to weigh our options I'm nothing is set. I mean our roster steps but I do like who we have. We've got a lot of quality football players that we think we can add some more. Get them to buy into the way we want to do. Anything have to believe in the system. We have a chance coach. I don't want to ask you about the rear view mirror but its last question before I let you go. Carolina Panthers Higher Matt Rule They having massive decision. GonNa make down there with Cam Newton or do they go different direction from what you know of Cam Newton. How do you think he's GonNa Respond? And Bounce back probably camps healthy and ready to roll don't bet against could qualify knowing Cam. I've had for the last nine years I would never bet against him. I I just know that. A Healthy Cam Newton on the football field with a heck of a football won't man he. He's bigger than everybody faster than everybody. And he's a maestro. We played you guys on Monday night. Football down there and he was basically controlling the entire state of Carolina. It was unbelievable. That's that's that's the one thing about him is he orchestrated game and it's almost like he's playing because he he's things and and the Nice thing is we he's give you know we had given the opportunity to do certain things to make changes took to change place to create temple if he had to and again as I said the one thing we hadn't had in the last two seasons was what's the healthy camps everything he's done you know. He had the procedure on the foot. The shoulder he got arrested arrested all year because he didn't play after the second game so again if he's healthy if he's in the right state of mind I would never bet against coach. What are your thoughts on? Luke Luke retiring you know I had an option to visit with Luke beforehand. And just listen to them talk. It was one of those things where the right situation the right moment in time had come you know he. He had battled through several injuries Early on And then a lot of his guys were leaving there was a transition you should going on with your organization. So the timing for him he felt was right. I support him one hundred percent. I really truly do supportive. And I'm very happy for him that he made the decision himself. It's going to be coaching with you here in a little bit. Hey you never know what's going to go on with him. He's I'll tell you this much right. Now he's fishing and hunting right now coach. The Washington Ashington Redskins got a great head coach. Raw very happy for you to be back in the league. The League wasn't as good wherever you weren't. Coaching can good luck. Congratulations is and gentlemen Ron Rivera. Thank you thank appreciate a guy no problem good guy right there. Good director success. Good hires yet Scott Turner as OC Radio Radio Partner Jack. Del Rio's is defensive coordinator and you said it. There's a lot of quality said there's a lot of quality guys. Ross that Haskins performance at the end of the year a lot better than I think I even thought it was very interesting that he compared out Smith and Haskins mahomes like thinking. Hey maybe also gonNA start or good player. He's anywhere near there they'll battle also you get. Chase is young that changes things up a Bosa level. Yup Impact Player said Yeah. We're GONNA draft changed. Set it right there. Like Cincinnati gets borough. We'll take chase young. They've drafted really well in terms of quality defensive players last five years amen. Rawson headaches good for Ronald Air thanks to him. All right. That's a show for the day. I can't thank you all enough for choosing to listen to this. It was a field of Freddie. I know you. You don't have to listen to the show and the fact that you do. I appreciate your show. Please tell your friends if you didn't if you didn't like the show that just never fucking happen. All right what have a great weekend. Hopefully we can your life the superb our on Sunday I got the chiefs. See what the fuck happens Thai place of independent research UH-HUH MM-HMM UH-HUH UH MM-HMM AW.

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OBI: Bengals/NFL news week-start Water Cooler Chat (12/7)

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OBI: Bengals/NFL news week-start Water Cooler Chat (12/7)

"It's the monday water cooler chat bengals fans for here to bring you the news and notes about the cincinnati bangles the afc north and around the nfl. We're going to go through a lot of different stuff. Just slamming you with all kinds of content this week on since he jungle dot com in the orange and black insider bengals podcast. I m anthony kazan's happy to be with you to start your week off right. Get you inform so you can sound like the smartest person at your zoom meeting in your office if you're still going to the office wherever you may be traveling to this week however your certain areas handling things but happy to have you with us even though i know that Yesterday was not ideal. Yesterday was not an ideal situation for the cincinnati bengals in their fans watching that game and You know tough one to swallow but we're going to get through a lot of stuff. Some of it pretty ugly as it goes with the cincinnati bengals in the news surrounding that team some of it predictable but some of it really informative then again. We're gonna take a little tour around the afc. North as well anna. Midi sharing my screen for those of you joining us. Whether it's on facebook youtube or now twitter and you're watching the video of the broadcast here you'll be able to kind of see some of the things. I'll be sharing my screen here so you can kinda checkout reference. What we're doing there. And then of course if you're joining us via audio we always love our downloads. As well so appreciate the support there. Whether it's for our show mannix chalk talk. Orange is the new black. The podcast from ason zim. They also didn't awesome post game. Wrap yesterday so go. Check that out too just to let you know. I'll remind you at the end. Because that's what i like to do but just so you know we've got a jammed week on the show. We've got this water cooler chat today. We've got a sam hubbard interview that will be dropping this week as well. We're catching back up with him. Courtesy of pepsi. We've got our wednesday evening. Show tim mcgee set to join us for that matt. Medics going to be bringing you some chalk talk episodes throughout the week as i mentioned. Acs zim will be bringing another episode or two throughout the week. We've got listener. Questions live on friday so make sure that you start sending those are way you can always send those to live as we take the air or get in touch with us a number of different ways in start. Tns up with some of your bengals questions. We're going to get to that. We've got the pre-game show by narragansett beer. On sunday before the game is the bengals get set to host the dallas cowboys. And then of course we've got the postgame show with myself and zim doing their post game show too so a lot of content this week trying to slam you. It's our holiday gift to you. Our holiday gift to you bringing you all kinds of different stuff so we we hope you enjoy it. I've got a lot to share with you guys a lot of things to share and i'm going to start with a video and this came across this morning it is from pat mcafee deformity Canada interesting character. If for those who know pat mcafee very interesting character and if you see when you see this video you're going to see him in a neck. Brace and the reason neckbrace i guess is he was doing some. Wwe steph or what it's called. I don't watch wrestling but wwe wwf. What have you. He was kinda doing a lot of kind of crazy stuff without. I guess over the weekend or sometime recently. And so he's sport neckbrace but he's talking with kyle van noy kyle van noy had three sacks yesterday against the cincinnati bengals of big game and this is a little disheartening to hear. It's an interview with kyle. Van noy talking about how he just kinda knew that he was in for a big against the cincinnati bengals. This came across monday here. I'm going to share this here and we'll start there. you know. Yesterday had one great stays in history football to the day. Or what was it you so i called my shot. I told i told you the night before. Told her the time. I woke up and i told players on the bench and luckily i was mind up so they got to actually get it in real life. What did you say. What did you say that might dumping i did. I was about three piece today announced today. No i sack you as a week. you know. He got his ran into me. And i got up before the life. But i'll take it. Is that sack worked for a little bit set of the guard i slow move and then the third one we got the ball out. That's what matters. How does a good game but i wanna credit to our defense. Man is not just the our whole de france's plan. Well i i wanna be on the front lines of show it in. Howard elliott definitely be matt conversation for defensive player of the. It's crazy he's not because we play of miami and to be better but the bits bowling needs to be that talked. Eight eight eight. That's a long. I didn't even know existed until yesterday. Got kicked out on a be us called. That was a terrible. Call your safer as we'll stop it there because you know they're talking a little bit more about saving howard and of course the the you know the ridiculous if you join us for the post game show you've heard me talk about the the ridiculous officiating crew in how they handled things yesterday but the point of this is lacayo van. Noy is a guy who played by the detroit lions. He went to the new england. Patriots won super bowls. They're then he was now as part of the miami dolphins who is who coach their coach by brian. Flores who was part of the ballot check tree and so a floor is obviously knew what he was getting. Kyle van noy in knew how to use him and he's been ineffective player since really leaving. Detroit a little bit of a disappointing guy in detroit. And then lo and behold he goes to to organizations that are instituting the patriot way and he ends up being a pretty solid contributor for to both teams. So it's a pretty sad state of affairs when a lot of us complain about the cincinnati bengals offensive line in who they put out there and their performance. What we see time and time again. I'm gonna show another tweet here in just a second time and time again. In terms of their lack of performance in the bengals continue to try that. Line out there. And you guys even on the opposite side of the field on that just knew going into the week they were gonna have a big game. Based on the match up that they were going to be pitted against and that's a pretty sad state of affairs pretty sad state of affairs. Cincinnati bengals and. I don't wanna keep piling on negatively but this is where we're at with things folks. I mean to nine and wine two and fourteen last year and you know there is just a more and more hard news to swallow when it comes to the cincinnati. Bengals kyle van. Noy kind of cemented. Some of that in terms of the offensive line. This team needs a lot of work. Cincinnati bengals need. A lot of work in the of talent need to spend a lot of money this off season. If they're going to right this ship correctly in in keep their. I mean joe burrow. Can't keep being tossed behind that offensive line the way it's constructed just can't Otherwise this the same awful injuries or other ones will continue to pile up against him and he'll he'll have not the career that everybody wants him to have so Interesting stuff from kyle. Van noy on the pat mcafee show here and just kind of to belabor the point. This is a tweet from paul junior via re he's relaying some pro football focus scores. And we'll get to some of those. But one of them is from michael jordan. The bottom here a pass blocking grade of seven point one for michael jordan at guard. Seven point one Tee higgins and drew sample had a nice day to god. You sample had a really nice day. you know he's starting to kind of turn a corner a little bit annoying fumble last week but You know if you if you ask. Our coach matt mimic. He thinks that that was maybe a little bit more. Because of a poor throw placement on the on the on the throw to juju sample from brandon allen last week to kind of caused the ball to get dislodged a little bit but drew samples turning into corner. Hey look i mean. I think we all see what it would decay. Metcalf is doing in seattle and the bengals could have drafted him as a wide receiver. And you know hopefully he would have been something close to what he's showing in seattle with the bengals and you always when you look at your sample. You always look at pick like that or some other offensive linemen. That could have that sort of thing but for now sample I know it's not necessarily up to snuff. Wear normal second round players are but he is starting to turn a corner in starting to kind of integrate himself in the offense in a nice way so this is a nice score especially against a miami defense. That's pretty good. I mean you heard kyle vanoy talking about xavien howard and others. They're a nice day from drew. Sample and higgins as well but seven point one. Pass blocking grade for michael jordan. Yikes i mean. Scores in the fifties are deemed really poor or below average by. Pf you gotta get into the sixties or seventies dive even kinda be considered average or okay on the day and It's it's that that score is just really eye-opening for michael jordan. Really really eye opening in because i actually personally. I really liked that pick. When the bengals made it. I thought he was a guy knew he was going to be a developmental guy. Knew he was going to be a project guy he was. I think the youngest guy on the roster last year and so you knew you had to give it a little time to give it a little time but now much like everything else in his act taylor era. We're now kind of. Hey it's time you know. I mean it's what we were into two years here. And he keeps getting a lot of snaps. He keeps getting a lot of playing time. A lot of these other guys do as well. You're starting to see a little bit of the fruits of the labor from sample as i mentioned. But you're not seeing it from michael jordan at a very very imperative position on on the bengals team so not a good look there. But a couple of nights scores from an overall pretty pretty poor performance by Cincinnati bengals. Here's another one guys. I don't i don't like this one. I don't like to share this one. I you know. I would have addressed this quite honestly in the post game show. I would have addressed this had. I seen it I i didn't see it until after word in it's making its rounds via twitter I've been asking quite a bit. About why sean williams hasn't been playing on defense. You would have thought with von bell clearly showing some issues in deep coverage but playing very well in the short yardage area. The intermediate area he Another fumble recovery yesterday. you know kind of. He played pretty well. Jessie bates played well again. And you know you're kind of seeing you know why don't you can use those guys in mix mix and match. Some looks to help out your pass defense. A little bit know sean williams. A couple of years ago was one of the best. Overall players on the team had five interceptions. He and jessie bates led the team in tackles us. He had a very good year twenty eighteen even though the team did not and then stance zac taylor era. His defensive snap count has gone down down while he started to get more yesterday. And this is a video. It's on cincy. Jungle dot com. It's on. I'm going to share it here in. Just a sec. It's on cincy. Jungle dot com. You can find it on. Twitter as well sean williams and you be the judge of this sean williams appears and this is this is in conjunction with the balls. That happened. The tyler boyd ejection and you know whatever you want to think about how unfair of the calls were in the Them were the officials. Were just in over their head yesterday. But this is not a good look. In my opinion. By sean williams. It appears that he after play is stepping on the ankle of solomon kinley a rookie offensive lineman by the way those that was the guy that we kinda thought. The bengals may have had a little bit of interest Kinley but this is A little disheartening to see especially from a guy who is kind of clinging to playing time in his career kind of at a crossroads at least with the cincinnati bengals. So i don't know if this is more frustration boiling over. Check this out if you can see it This is tweet again. The guy don't don't really love the caption of bengals going bengal. But we are big. Guys is the twitter handle I didn't see this in the game. I didn't see that. I just missed it. in it started. Come through. check this out and you you make the call here. As to what happens with john williams again. He is number thirty six. Let's watch it again at the end here. Getting up off the pile in sixty six. All mckinley looks up at him. Stumbling out of a pile i don't. He's looking a different direction. I don't know. I don't know if you want to. I don't know what's going through his mind right there But not a good look. And that's probably this'll be last time. We can look at it here but i. That's if that's intentional. As bush league stuff that is not that is not good. either. I don't want to accuse of anything because they very well could have been. I mean you're seeing a lot of different reactions here guys step guys. All everything doesn't get caught for man. Man clyde i get. It doesn't look intentional from jonathan johnson there case says cut him to According to that video that looks deliberate. I mean it's just make of it what you will. But it's floating out there and they're getting a lot of attention and when you have a day a game that showed a lot of ugliness bhai both teams you know. Coach comes rushing onto the field and benches clear. And all this kind of stuff. That's not a good look It very well could have been something innocent accidental again. I don't want accuse him of something that i'm not in his brain so i don't know exactly what i'm just relying the video here but it does. Look we've seen birth. Do some things like that in the past and you could argue whether the whether or not some of those were intentional. We've never seen this from sean williams. So there's not really a track record here in terms of dirty play. Necessarily from sean williams. So it's a little surprising to see this especially if it was intentional. No no idea. But that's a guy that the the point is if it was intentional. Something that he intentionally did. This is a guy who really has. I mean kind of have this big fall from grace in terms of endearing himself to the coaching staff. Getting playing time in all of that and frustrations are boiling over it. Could you consider the might. Thomas the both hits yesterday a little bit of the same a little bit of reckless play particularly on the second one not so much on the first one little bit of reckless play. Maybe on the second one especially when you already had a penalty on the first one. Maybe you of play a little bit safer. If you're might thomas. I don't know but i just i saw that video late yesterday. It was actually. I sought after the post game show and i wish i would have addressed that or at least brought it up there but maybe it's better But i wanted to share that with you in case you hadn't seen it pretty interesting staff who knows if it's intentional or not. You look at it. You can say definitely intentionally you could look at it and say totally accidentally stumbling out of a pile. But it's there it's on video and take it for what you will. Let's keep going before we do again. Anthony costanza was cincy. Jungle dot com and the orange bike insider bengals podcasts. Happy to have all of you got a lot of people joining us so you must be on either your lunch break. He might be on your mid morning break like beyond your after late afternoon. Break depending on where you're joining us but trying to keep you informed so when you talk to your co workers whether it's virtually or in person you can tell them all this stuff about the cincinnati bengals about the nfl about the afc north and sound like you are a well-informed football fan and you don't even have to credit me. You don't even have to crowded us you can just steal it. I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. Trust me because i love you guys. You're awesome thanks for tuning in. 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There's a little something for everyone on the sba nation and fell. Show be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app to be sure. You don't miss a single episode. Let's go here. This is snap counts and again this this seems to be. I'm not going to try and take too much time here. I always say that then. I go through like almost every player. And i apologize. Let me get a little tedious. But it's to me. I find this stuff interesting. I find the snap. Count stuff interesting because you start to see. Maybe who's in the coaches doghouse and who is not again let liga. Bj vinnie. i don't. I don't understand this. One you make the trade for carlos dunlap you get barely anything out of it. You get a backup lineman and you get a seventh round. pick your having michael jordan struggle I you know i. I don't know why you don't maybe give. Bj fania shot. Maybe a move trae hopkins back to a guard spot in. Bj finneas center. Maybe you try. Bj finney at a guard spot. I hate the musical chairs. And i hate the lack of continuity on an offensive line. But it's still not working guys. It's still not working up front and they need to if you're making moves to get guys like bj vinnie either. Knew right away that you're just getting a straight up backup offensive lineman. He is never going to start for you. Unless you are in an absolute pinch or i don't know i just i don't. I don't understand the rationale there. Just you know not not sure. What's going on there. But i mean that was a guy you acquired You see here mackenzie alexander. By the way. I i keep being impressed with mackenzie alexander. I like him as a slot corner. I hope the bengals find a way to keep him around beyond this year. Sean sam's getting ninety seven percent of the snaps. He struggled again You know it's not really. Simms was not brought into being outside starting boundary corner for this team. Which is the role. He is now pressed in. You got trae wayne's out darius phillips out i mean it's just. He's pressed into action that he should not. This should be number four or five corner on this team. He's playing as their number two guy. Basically and it's it's it's a shame because he's kind of showing his struggles. There was a deep ball. That was missed by two. To ju kim grant yesterday and simms was on the coverage grants very fast guy in simms. Was you know. maybe a step or two behind. But it didn't get completed but it very well could have grant probably should have caught that ball but it would have been a big play and it would have been on sims. And he just continues to struggle william jackson ninety seven percent of the snaps Three passes defended yesterday for william jackson. He kind of penalty against him as well but two passes defended two of the three were in the end zone Pretty good day. By william jackson in uc. Jalen davis was out there for. Snap sam hubbard seventy nine percent of the snaps their asking him to do a lot of different things on the defense khalid korean the rookie. Seventeen snaps margus hunt forty three snaps. Kara lawson forty seven snaps only sixty seven percent of the snaps for kara loss. When you are really down on some edge rushers. That's that's a little. It's a little questionable there. Mike daniels thirty four snaps. Gino atkins thirteen snaps. Thirteen snaps xavier williams twenty seven snaps christian covington had forty and it was a surreal moment when christian covington went down with injury. And you had gino atkins coming in as a backup so either that shoulder is bothering geno atkins more than we know or. He's another one of these. Marvin guys it is disenchanted with the new coaching staff or know father times caught up with a mixture of all three. I don't know but that's thirteen. Snaps from gino atkins's very very interesting. They continue to do different. Things with the linebackers. You see forty across forty for. Logan wilson germain pratt. Josh binds forty. Eight snaps jordan evans. Had a few more defensive snaps. Marcus bailey got in there for a few defensive snaps as well davis gay there. He had a nice tackle tackle for loss at the goal. Line there in the in the game kind of flu in off the edge on the backside and came in and made a tackle on the was myles gaskin so nice play by him there. But only seven defensive. Snaps for kim davis. Gather there michael jordan. See eighty eight percent snaps in that seven point one pass block raid by pro football focus Quinton spain all snaps fifty two. He was also seen being held back by teammates. Apparently he was trying to engage dolphins players after the game. Su'a filo didn't get until the very very end. He was there pry one of their prized free agent. Acquisitions they're really their only free agent acquisition. At least in terms of the spring outside acquisitions signed a two year deal with the team only played six snaps and as kind of his first snap since week. One he hurt his ankle. And you know still waiting for more on jona williams. That may come out later today. So waiting to hear about the severity of the knee. Injury to joan williams. Got in seventy five percent of the snaps but him potentially suffering a significant injuries. Just the mudslide that is twenty twenty for the cincinnati bengals. It just keeps coming and it is just bad. News bad news bad news so hopefully. It's nothing severe there especially after he missed all of last year. Be ashamed to suffer another significant knee injury or another significant injury in general john williams but he did get in seventy five percent of the snaps. Bobby hard all one hundred percent and there was a lot of struggles on tape by bobby heart and it seemed like a lot of miscommunication between he and spain as well he came. Dan did come in for joan williams. Twenty five percent of the snaps And then you see here you know kind of a little bit of a split. On the running back duties air trayvon williams did not get a snap. John williams only had the seven snaps on defense and You know one of them. Was that play there. So that i that. I play just a minute ago. And you see their drew. Sample forty five snaps at tight end. Mason shrek One snap he got outta throw to him and he dropped it so not a good day for mason track season. Carter fourteen percent tyler boyd. Unfortunately gotti checked in early twenty four snaps had the huge seventy two yard play for touchdown. Mike thomas thirteen offense and then was playing special teams as well. Aj green eighty seven percent of the eighty seven percent of the snaps one target no catches his fourth cashless game of twenty twenty to this point and second in a row. So that is the snap count. I don't mean to belabor that point but it's it is kind of an interesting picture as to what these coaches are doing with certain players and what these players are doing when they're being utilized are they making the most of the snaps a lot of mark lot of mark. Unfortunately so that is a little bit of that in a nutshell. Here kind of quickly brandon alan. I guess i can share this one real quick brand. Alan says he's fine. After leaving the game it looked like maybe a a rib injury. He kinda got sacked landed on the ball or a chest. Injury shoulder injury. That sort of thing so ryan. Finley came in later but According to paul dean or junior and again this is on cincy. Jungle dot com. He's okay it was just my win. And i knew that i i knew what it was. beforehand trying to get words out was fine but i wasn't able to get my breath back for a while. There couldn't really spit out those words so good news is it. Wasn't it didn't seem to be something severe unless they do. More testing this week but You know the right now with brandon. Allen i know he's not lighting the world on fire. But we've kind of seen what we've seen from ryan finley and a handful of starts and backup mop up duty. And we've seen what we've seen from brandon allen and really the rest of the ways just to see if brennan allen is a viable backup quarterback for the cincinnati bengals at this point to joe burrow. And he's showing a little bit of good but a lot of block so maybe with more stats snaps. He continues to improve will see but at this point. The rest of the way is really. That's one of the main goals for the rest of the year is to see if brandon allen can become the backup quarterback for the bengals and be ineffective guy in emergency star. Should they need it beyond twenty twenty. Just wanna share this real quick. I'm not gonna go through much of it because of already gone through a number of different things but just to remind you all there is also a link share on cincy. Jungled dot com. It's it's the bengals news in you can see here. There's a lot of different links to a lot of different areas so check that out as well. There's a lot of. I've gone through a couple of these Just for the sake of time. Can't go through all of them but there's a lot of stuff from bengals dot com. There's a lot of stuff from the enquirer athletic. A lot of great stuff in here. It's on cincy. Jungle dot com. So i want encourage you to check those out. Lastly on the bengals front This is by kevin patra on. Nfl dot com. He related this a number of cincinnati bengals and dolphins there. There's not going to be suspensions. Not for brian flores for coming on the field not for devante parker hitting a bengals coach or trainer. It's going to be a lot of fines. I think folks and we'll probably you'll probably see devante parker xavi howard tyler boyd. Probably mike thomas maybe floor as i don't know but the participants in the bengals. Dolphins may be reviewed for possible fines and not suspensions. Let's see if there's a quote in here as well flow out. There's one for brian floors. We've got to do a better job of keeping our poise at starts with me. I've got to do a better job of keeping my poise. But look i'm going to stick up for my players. They're going to stick up for each other without getting penalties without hurting the team. But we've got to do a better job of keeping our poise as a team. Neither team really showed great poise yesterday as evidenced by the video showed of sean williams what everyone take from that intentional or not and the fact that the bengals players were retaliating the quinton spain story it was just an ugly ugly day ugly day by the cincinnati bengals on the field and both teams just showing not a lot of composure. And the dolphins in particular. Were doing a lot of things after the whistle. A lot of shoves a lot of punches. A lot of nudges a lot of different things to kind of go the bengals. I don't know if there were some words exchanged beforehand or what the situation was or like. We've kind of hinted at it a couple of different occasions. I don't know if there is a boiling point that has been reached by these bengals players in the fact that they're not winning games. They're putting in all the work during the week. And they're not winning games and then of course you don't have a franchise quarterback the one guy that probably was a big part of the glue. That kept his team together. And he's not there anymore at least not for this year so At any rate let's go to the nfl side of things There is a dan hands article on. I guess i don't need to share. Well i guess it will Dan hans this. Of course you can take these for what you will. But cincinnati bengals power rankings cincinnati bengals ranked thirtieth and maybe predictable to to a lot of you but Here's what what they had to say here. The bengals began life without joe burrow with a commendable effort. But they'll need to be better if they're going to find another win before the end of the season and a lot more there so this is a Power rankings there and then of course this came across your and i thought this was pretty interesting because of the situation. A lot of people calling for coaching changes in cincinnati. The jets fired Defensive coordinator greg williams and there was a situation where the jets had the lead in over the raiders. And here's the play here. You can see the video There was like a cover. I think it was a cover zero And they were playing anyone deep they had the lead and then of course there is the single coverage on the outside. I think it was henry ruggs. Who had the game winning play so definitely got a lot of speed there and of course the jets Fail in our winless owen. Twelve twelve are the jets so The offensive coordinator greg williams. Who was in cleveland. In a position to take over that sort of i was in the conversation to potentially take over the job. He was an interim coach They went with kevin stefanski instead. So he moved to the jets and now He's out of a job if our their defensive coordinator he's out of a job so that is some interesting news on that front. I'm gonna pull up just a little bit see if we got some extra. Afc north news. I know there is a lot of talk about cleveland and baker mayfield's performance on sunday. He had a nice rebound game. And now i mean the the opinions on that guy just yoyo. It's just it's really funny you know. He's terrible he can't do anything. And then you know you got some brown homers thinking that he's you know an mvp candidate. Hey that the browns are nine three. They beat the titans and it's hard to to determine exactly how good the titans are at this point in time because the bengals beat the titans. So i you know in the titans seemed like such world leaders and they just are not they can't consistently at least this year. Beat cert teams. Forty one to thirty five. The browns beat them in tennessee on the less so pretty surprising when i guess by some by some folks. Here's here's the the game by baker mayfield. Twenty five of thirty three three hundred thirty four yard four touchdown zero interceptions great game but of course he's also got the solid running game to rely upon as well so but hey i mean they. They're winning and they're playing well under kevin stefanski. So you gotta you gotta tip your cap to them a little bit at least nine and three i think if they go into the postseason and they get pitted against you. Know a baltimore a pittsburgh or kansas city etcetera. I don't know that that'll farewell for the cleveland browns. I don't know that they've got enough firepower. Kinda remind me a little bit of maybe the two thousand fourteen cincinnati bengals a couple of injuries here and there. But you know a decent team talent. A lot of different spots up and down quarterback play a little bit strong running game that can reminds me a little bit of fourteen and the bengals went to the playoffs that year. They're kind of a a team that reminds me of that and then of course. You've also got pittsburgh playing today or tonight for some of you five. Pm eastern two pm. Pacific they're playing the washington football team in pittsburgh so really weird set of scheduling for the steelers. They had the game on wednesday afternoon and they've got a monday afternoon evening game Coming up here and then they've got another game just kind of shortly after that so Weird set of circumstances for the steelers. But hey there are eleven and at this point. They're playing they're hosting a form. Seven washington team will see how they do their. We went really long today. I normally don't go thirty five minutes. I don't think usually about ten minutes shorter in this but at any rate i appreciate you guys tuning in. We're going to get on outta here. Got to a lot of different stuff on the water cooler chat this week one reminder. We've got a sam hubbard interview dropping this week. We've got tim. Mcgee joining us on the deep dive show on wednesday with john sharon and myself. We've got listener. Questions live on friday. So start submitting those to us and we'll get to as many as we can have yours. Answered on air will have the pregame and postgame show by narragansett beer on sunday and of course inbetween. You've got some chalk. Talk stuff matt mic and orange is the new black from and zim. Get all the stuff. Honest podcast channel on your favorite audio streamer. Get it on our youtube channel. Get it on our twitter account. We stream live there. 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So guys. today we're going to be doing defensive tackles we're going to be evaluating the defensive tackle group which is probably one of the most polarizing conversations heading into free agency. Because we're going to dive into dalvin. Tomlinson leonard williams. Who do we think that they should keep. But before we can get to that. I would like to have a conversation here about kyle venoy. Who was recently released by the miami dolphins. A bit of an unexpected move for most people kind of came out of nowhere. And the reason why. It's important to talk about calvin well. He's got connections to head coach. Joe judge in his time as a linebacker with the the new england patriots and in any situation when you have a connection to a former patriot and a former patriots assistant. We have to have this conversation so guys. Let's have at it. What do you think about kyle. Vinoy is this somebody that the giants should be spending their money on to bring onto this defense because he could very well fill one of the needs that we've talked about so far this offseason. I love these versatile type of linebackers to be honest. And i think they really mesh well with what patrick ram wants to do on defense. Bring 'em off the edge. You can drop them in a cupboard. They're solid against the run but it all comes down to money. Joe chris all comes down to money kyle. Annoy just signed. I think it was four year. Fifty one million dollar contract just last offseason and he was entertaining. The giants has spoken very highly. Joe judge but he could possibly get a big contract in another situation than here in new york so a devil entertainment if it's at the right price. I'm just not optimistic. That would be at the right price. Yeah that's just it for me. It comes down to the money. I don't think the giants could afford to basically replace the money. He just lost. And i would be curious to know why the dolphins let him go. Yeah he basically had a career year last year None of his individual stats really jumps out as fantastic. But you know he had six sacks which is the second most he's ever had Ten tackles for loss. Which is the most he ever had. The ten quarterback hits which is the second. Most he's ever had six passes defensed which is the most he's ever had two forced fumbles which is the second most he's ever had and that is pretty good for a guy who is twenty nine he. He's not exactly out of his prime but that thirty number is creeping up so you have to wonder why a team with a defense as good as the dolphins last year. Let a guy who led a guy go coming off a career year so to me. It definitely does come down to the money if he can replicate that kind of performance. I would definitely be interested out. Yeah and i'm on the same page as you guys. I think money is the the biggest factor here because of the connection makes sense. The play style fits perfectly as you said nick. The one thing that has your guy saying there's a possibility that some team is crazy enough to throw a lot of money at him because they they need a boost at their linebacker position. The only thing that makes me optimistic that they could possibly sign him to a cheaper shorter term. Deal is the current situation. The one thing that we continuously hear from a former personnel people that were in the nfl current coaches and personnel people. A lot of the comments that you keep hearing if you just listen to the radio or particularly the serious nfl channel. I hear a lot. They they keep saying that there's going to be a lot of intermediate guys get completely screwed by this current offseason because the cap is going down. It's a matter of how teams value. Kyle van noy and if he is valued as more of an intermediate linebacker rather than one of the top five linebackers in free agency. They could end up banking on that opportunity to sign him for a short term deal. That is something that we can't truly predict. But it's definitely the cards are definitely there for that to happen. Yeah absolutely do have to look out for other teams. That do have a lot more money than the giants have. I'm looking at over the cap right now. And they list giants with just half a million dollars in effective cap space for twenty twenty one. That is not good especially when you've got teams like the jaguars who who can throw around eighty million dollars. The jets have sixty seven million patriots. Have sixty two. You'll maybe bill belichick be interested in a reunion. There the fact that there are other teams that could just blow the giants out of the water without even trying that does have to give you pause and spinning forward to the rest of our conversation today. The giants are going to have to be strategic yet. Another interesting part of kyle. Van noy is whatever team signs him. He will not count against the compensatory formula for the next season because he was released. He wasn't an unrestricted. Free agent who was released by his team of team wants to sign him per se. A big money deal. It's not gonna count for say if that same team lost big free agent this year. It's not gonna count for next year's compensatory pick it still maybe garner a third or fourth round pick yet and to me that does bring up a team like the patriots who love to cycle through compensatory picks. You know they. They are allergic to free agency. But they just keep racking up those second or third and fourth round comp picks and also the baltimore ravens who manipulate the cap and the draft market. Light freaking wizards so guys. let's get into talking about. These defensive tackles as the kyle van. Noy situation is something that could change very very quickly. He could sign somewhere quick. I wouldn't be surprised if he signs before the free agency period shifting our focus now talking defensive tackles and getting into our season takeaways. I think the simplest way to describe the defensive tackle group is that they were extremely disruptive this past season and coming into the year the conversations that we were having a lot of other people were having that. We're analyzing the team saying that. The defensive line right now. It looks like the best group on the defense. We could possibly make the argument for the secondary and compare the two. But i think it's pretty safe to say that. This defensive line group as a cohesive unit was a serious problem they were the big source of pass pressure. It wasn't necessarily the edge guys. It was guys like leonard. Williams that were hitting home and creating sack production despite not really sending a whole lot of pressure all the time they were able to create that success. So i think you guys can agree with me here. This unit is really really good. Which is going to make the conversation. We're gonna have soon about how it's going to be really difficult trying to keep all this together and it's almost important to keep descript together. It's kind of insane when you think about it from pressure standpoint because outside of aaron donald not a lot of teams rely on these interior linemen to create pressure leonard williams at eleven and a half sacks dextra lawrence was third on the team with four cuyler factor. Think four and a half or something. Like that yeah. There are other variables because lorenzo carter notions as got hurt. But they were still able to get a solid on sacks this year but it's all about that run defense to men and just to gaping with that bear or that eagle front that they love to run that type front where they had the four i to the strength dalvin tomlinson as a nose. Tackle then a three technique with the linebackers behind them. It's dare dare you get to run up the middle on us and no one can. They don't when do you ever see a lot of people. Attack the eight gaps against the giants. It doesn't happen all that often they always try to extend horizontally and find a cutback lane. And that's why disciplined defenders are excellent in this system. Guys like back room and having a good role as a run defender because disciplined and they don't allow those cutback lanes to really materialized but a lot of that is just because his defensive line is so strong at the point of attack and commanded the line of scrimmage kind of the identity that dave gettleman said he wanted to implement and he was able to institute with the giants. Yeah absolutely end. I think this does become a a very interesting conversation. Because you have leonard williams as the defensive end in that in that three-man front which they were only in a three men front. I i would wager all told about half the time but that will just say that was his position and then you had dalvin tomlinson at the nose tackle and yet that is a very unsexy position but especially the way the defense play. The giants defensive plays. It is very vital that you have a guy there who can play with a fantastic base great leverage great hand usage and he can control centers can control guards. He can to gap. He can eat up. Those double teams and really make you can have blake martinez flowing to the ball and you can force running backs to say you know what i am staying the hell away from that gap. Maybe i'll try that big gap to see gap or the gap and honestly think about all these various pieces. That we have dexter lawrence dalvin tomlinson leonard williams. Bj hill coming. Rotating in austin johnson was able to to step in and rotate and create. some good pressure. I think the best way to describe this group is that they just all worked really well together despite them not each guy being the same molt every guys built a little bit differently. Every guy is good at or much better at one thing than the other and because they were able to play off each other's strengths. I think that's why we're we're talking so highly of this group and that's where things get really complicated here because if we weren't in this free agent situation. I don't even be thinking about this. We'd be thinking about what's going to happen next season when this group returns but we have to. We have to talk about this. We have to talk about the fact that dalvin tomlinson an leonard williams are both expected to be free agents. And there's a very high possibility if the giants don't make some cuts don't figure out their current situation to make room for the both of them. They're both going to be over at a minimum ten million dollars a piece. We have to pick between one or the other guys i want to hear. Who would you pick if we had to pick one leonard williams or dalvin tomlinson for me. It's going to be leonard williams. And i feel like a lot of giant stand kind of on board with that and it just comes down to the fact that he impacts the game on all three downs dalvin tomlinson. I've been a huge fan of impounding table for him. Now underrated he is and how important he is to this defense and i still stand by all that but these business decisions are really tough. You need to make really difficult choices. Here and leonard williams the guy. That's sixty two pressures this year. Eleven and a half sacks hit the quarterback eighteen times and. He's no slouch against the run. Either and with the current state of giants edges and their lack of pass rush from that specific position. You can't really let a guy like when williams walk out the door especially when the general manager. Who's in charge of these decisions. Traded a third and another pick to acquire him in an impending contract year. So for me. It's leonard williams before we start recording. You said you you in these situations. You like to be the contrarian but you just can't do it. Guess what i'm gonna do we. Everybody could have predicted this from a mile. If they listen to the show but go go ahead go ahead i have been maybe dalvin tomlinson two biggest fan since all i think november of twenty seventeen in fact. That's something ed can attest to. Because i hit him up into holy crap. Nevermind jon allen. Have you seen alabama's nose tackle. He looks like a baby damon harrison. And i stand by that. I would given the choice between the two and i think the giants are going to have to make that choice. It's not an easy choice. It's not a comfortable choice. But just the reality of the economics they are going to make that choice. And i can back it up four different ways. I is the economics talk about. Both of them could be over ten million dollars. I am not quite sure about that. At least four dalvin tomlinson just because he is that nose tackle is as he is a teams. Don't really shell out for nose tackle. Who are not also known as pass rushers. I think tomlinson is a better pass rusher than he gets four but again he definitely. Nobody's aaron donald. But you know he is not fleischer. Cox or even akiem hicks. Although that's actually a little bit closer than i think a lot of people might think last year but anyway moving on you know there is talk that winter williams is going to be getting somewhere between somewhere around eighteen or maybe even twenty million dollars a year. he's going to be. He could be getting up into that. Aaron donald air as far as salary goes the giants just cannot afford that at least not without having to make some major decisions elsewhere they could that would basically completely wipe out ability to sign an edge or sign a wide receiver see christie. Bring you bring up a really good point there. Chris is that. I agree with nick here. I would pick leonard williams just based on the type of player the disruption that he causes the value he has on passing downs. And that was. The biggest strength of this defense was how well they played on passing downs. And when you can possibly add some type of an edge rusher through the draft or free agency and you can pair them up with leonard williams. That front could get even better. But that's the one thing that i'm a little bit torn up on And i'm a little bit hesitant to commit to leonard williams that you just brought up here if leonard williams is asking for twenty million dollars as good as he played. I don't know if i can pay him twenty million dollars. I think that that is a very high asking price for a guy. That's not an edge. Rusher he's a defensive tackle he is. He's i guess you could call them a defensive end but he's not a strict pass rusher and the problem that we're probably going to deal with in these negotiations is that he is going to him and his agent are going to say we have the sack production of a pass rusher so you should be paying a like a pass rusher and that was kind of what happened last year. Because apparently i. If i'd kerr recall correctly he was trying to get tagged and get the money as though he was a pass rusher but he ends up fitting under the category of defensive tackle. That's where things get really sticky for me because the money is going to be very very hard to fit when the giants already don't have a very good cap situation. Yeah i think. That's the crux of the entire arguments. What will he tried to demand. Because i want to say that still under grievance right now and that's a sneaky storyline with the new york. Giants is the fact. That leonard williams. Doug wanna get paid like an edge when you look at you know where he lined up a lot. I mean he played a lot of rio. We played a lot of leo. He played a lot over the end and the left end. According to pro football focus. He has well over two hundred snaps in those specific position so he has a case. Especially when you look at his sack. Production and his ability to generate. Pressure is gonna come down to money. Now it's the same thing with donald thomson. Tomlinson is going to look for a michael pierce type of contract which was a three year. Twenty seven million dollar deal. That's not that unreasonable. But if he's going for giovanni hardgrave who's a slightly different play a little bit more of a pass rushing upside. I would say as a three year. Thirty nine million dollar deal. It was a two totally different contracts. Signed the same offseason which was last offseason. Michael pearson ended up opting out of the season for the vikings are hargrave ended up playing for the eagles. I think the question really comes down to. What will these players ask for. Because you're right. I'm not looking to pay leonard. Williams twenty million. I'm not looking to dump an entire to load up mack. Truck dump it onto his front lawn for twenty million twenty plus million a year for someone like when williams as much as i do like when williams i still feel like the contract has to be reasonable for both sides and i think the other big question is what are you getting next year. You know we know what we're getting with dalvin tomlinson. He is an incredibly consistent player. He is going to clog up those gaps. He is going to keep your linebackers clean. He is going to clog up some passing lanes. He had a fair amount of passes defensed last year. Just getting his hand up and knocking balls down and he is going to get you some passwords production when he is put in the position to get talk about all the snaps that letter williams played. He played probably about a third more snaps than tomlinson did last year. So he got a lot of those opportunities in pass rush situations when the giants took tomlin's tomlinson off the field so that does skew things in his favor some but also last year was kind of an anomaly for leonard williams he had never had sack production like that before. he's always been good at generating pressures he gets close to the quarterback. He'll hit the quarterback but he always struggled at converting those pressures into saks. Now last we saw the giants coverage take a massive step forward. I mean nobody can argue that that they were forcing quarterbacks to hold the ball like they hadn't done since two thousand sixteen and i really do think that that gave letter williams a lot more of an opportunity to convert those pressures into sacks. So now what happens if offenses start to figure out patrick grams. Tendencies if they figure out. James bradberry tennessee's how to attack the secondary you. Are you still going to get even eight sacks from leonard williams a year coming up or is he going to go back to being a two or three second year guy. You can't pay fifteen million dollars plus for that kind of production from guy. You're expecting to be a primary pass rusher now i. I agree with that wholeheartedly. But i still believe getting pressure on. The quarterback is something that has to be paramount. And that's something that we can't argument. Leonard williams just does it even if he doesn't convert them into sacks forces a quarterback off the spot. We've seen that several times. Even when he wasn't getting those sacks throughout his first season with the giants and in terms of thomson. And i want to come off as a somebody who had to tractor of them. Because i love how thomas and man. But i just feel like that. Knows is more replaceable than a three hundred pound. Six foot. Five linemen edge. Whatever you want to classify them as who can bend like leonard williams cannon and who has the use of hands that lynn williams does i think in the draft. You can even get a to gap or like tyler sheldon from lsu or two. Barrel sleet and from florida player. Like bad you can kind of put in that. At that knows position you might not be as effective as thomas. But he eat blocks still allow those linebackers to flow over the top and scrape over. The top tackles. And i believe the next phase of this conversation here. Which we're going to get to really soon is in the event that they can't bring both of them back. One guy walks. What is then the course of action. We're going to get to that right now folks but before we do. We have to take a really brief commercial break support for this episode comes from locker room. The that's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is a sports fans. Dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. 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But there's a multitude of directions that you can go in if it's dalvin tomlinson returning or if it's leonard williams returning there are a couple different directions in the sense of you can draft someone as you just talked about neck yuqin signs somebody in free agency that is going to be cheap. That is going to be quick depending on who it is maybe there are is a nose tackle out there on the market that you can signed to a one year low cost deal and i think that the other piece that comes into here is just straight up not doing anything. Do you just assume that the current group that you have minus the one player. Who is it good enough to operate on its own. That's where we currently stand here. What do you guys think is the best course of action. If one player leaves well. I think it depends on which player does in fact leave yet if it is dalvin tomlinson. Then you do everything you can to retain austin johnson. He isn't as good as dalvin. Tomlinson taking a step back there but he should be able to be had for a reasonably reasonable contract earlier in the offseason. Maybe who's even during the season itself and we talked about. How awesome johnson is a guy to keep an eye on. he is a competent nose tackle. He is a guy who can eat up those double teams not get blown off the ball. You know the. The giants had tried dexter lawrence and bj hill there. It didn't really work. Those guys are really more there. One gap players. They're closer to leonard williams than they are dalvin tomlinson so you have to keep at least one guy there in the middle to keep the linebackers clean if leonard williams. He leaves then. I'm looking towards the draft. I i would look at a guy like camp. Sample dig zula Either one of the guys from usc honestly like there. Are i think a surprising number of defensive tackles in this draft who could fit that Four three technique four i technique five technique role who have burst and band and athleticism. That's fair what you just laid out there chris. I'm wondering if there's another veteran type of nose tackle that's gonna be available. That can even come into being over austin johnson. I don't necessarily see him as somebody who is capable of to capping the nose too much. I watched every game twice basically and there were a couple times where i saw him post back a little bit falling on the ground. A little bit. I kinda liked them. Actually more in that one gap that we talked about with dexter lawrence and we saw dexter lars one game be utilized in that role. Dalvin tomlinson is typically utilize. A wasn't as clean just like you alluded to but you just look at the guy. And the guy's like three hundred and forty six pound would imagine that he can be taught how to anchor down and kind of utilize leverage like dalvin. Tomlinson does but it kinda goes to show you. Just how unique in is. Because he's about twenty five pounds lighter than someone like dexter lawrence yet. He's so much better at holding the point of attack against two guys basically six hundred plus pounds hitting you and that was the book on him coming out of alabama. Where like yeah. He isn't the biggest dude we've ever had but he is next to impossible move and i think a lot of people credited his wrestling background. Just with how good he is with leverage and how good his balances that makes a lot of sense. And honestly i you know. I agree with a lot of the points. You guys are thrown out here. And i think just from a general perspective. If we're trying to think of of roster building here i think the one of the courses of action if one guy leaves one guy stays the draft capital in this year's draft of the giants. There's they don't have a ton of picks it might be better to spend those picks on building up weaker position groups and hoping that you can possibly sign a really cheap veteran. I like the thought of drafting some players if they're available if it's best available and you feel like you addressed maybe edge in receiver early on and you get round three or four and you're like let's figure this out. Let's get some some big bodies for the middle knowing dave gettleman. He's probably going to do something like that. But if i like them to see address some of the much thinner position groups rather than spending a draft. Pick on a position group that if you don't need a premier player at it in right now they have really good depth across the line. They've got a lot of really good guys. It might be better to wait or or take a different course of action. The drafting somebody within maybe the first five rounds and that's fair and i think the drafting somebody is more in a scenario that day cattleman actually traded back and got more picks or kicks the camera. That's something that seems like you know it just won't happen has happened yet now. I could actually see a scenario. If if we put trading back into into the mix where the giants could completely transformed their defense. And maybe even move away from this Interior defensive line centric mold and into something more like Like what the denver broncos had up until von miller got hurt or maybe something like what the eagles do or what washington is doing where you can send waves of edge rushers at edge rushers after the quarterback and still be stout up the middle. You could get somebody like jalen phillips trade back a little bit. And maybe if you've got the money sign a hassan rhetoric and then later on in the draft. Get a joe trion. Or maybe a shock at tony or somebody like that to be like your third or fourth pass rusher in addition to shane's s and lorenzo carter. I'm not a big shock at tony guy but honestly at fifth rounder south okay. Yeah so much much later. Yeah jeff loops and it all depends on how the board fall down. I honestly think they'd get them. Is going to end up going with a receiver or kyle or something like that or as chris would say receiver but a jail upset. Eleven isn't ridiculous to me. If the medical check out it all comes down to the medicals and the love for football and all that stuff checks out. I really think he's a very intriguing. Prospect a yeah and i realize we're going off on a tangent here but i just did my final report on him the other day. And if it weren't for those medicals he would have been my first nine grade of this process. I'm not gonna say he's myles garrett but he's a hell of a lot closer to myles garrett than anyone else have looked at this year. He is impressive. As hell to me before we fall off too far down this tangent time is slowly approaching on us here so i would like to just finish up if we're being as realistic as possible. And we're being real author selves right here. What's actually going to happen. Is that good old. Dave gettleman is going to trade up at some point so he can draft marvyn wilson. We're going it's going to happen. It's bound to happen. It's the only way that he's going to resolve this knowing him. He's not gonna. Just let marvyn wilson slip out of his clutches. I disagree christian. Barrymore because the alabama connection either way. He's gonna he's there is definitely one big media guy that he is in love with and he will be on the giants roster because they've cattleman loves his high mali's folks that's to be it from us On as episode. Thanks for tuning in sure. Hit that stride. Button leave us a five star review. Follow us on social media at big you. And then lastly biglou dot com for more giants his joy. The rest of your week folks thought.

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52 | Frank Lantz on the Logic and Emotion of Games

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

1:04:39 hr | 2 years ago

52 | Frank Lantz on the Logic and Emotion of Games

"Hello everyone welcome to the mindscape podcast. I'm your host sean carroll and i'm of the opinion that we don't talk about games enough. At least we don't talk about games enough in an intellectual sense in a sort of the theory of games. What are games. Why do we do them clearly. There's a whole bunch of people playing games. I just looked up the numbers on line and we spend over twice as much on video games these days as we do on movies despite the fact that he's a lot more coverage of movies in a t._v. Magazines two thirds of american households play video games or at least have someone in there playing video games for more than three hours per week so video games pervade our lives as do games more generally right chess go card games etc but what is a game. What's the definition of it and why are we so attracted them. Why do they fascinate us so i think it <hes> my cats ariel and caliban some sense play games aerial least plays fetch but we human beings go to great lengths to invent completely arbitrary rules goals play by them and invest enormous amounts of emotion into whether we win or lose or how we do playing this game so today we have on one of the world's world's leading people who does think about these issues in detail. Frank lands is a very active game designer. He's designed a number of video games. <hes> gear heads as it drops seven which is a famous iphone mobile phone game csi crime city as well as various real world games where people are out there in the streets actually be playing by certain rules but he's also the director of the game center at n._y._u. So his part of his job is to take the bigger picture to really ask what games are where undergoing so this is a very fun conversation. I do have to admit that it was an extremely unusual setting that we had the conversation. This was a live recording at the santa fe institute's interplanetary festival in santa fe which is a very fun event but to be honest. The recording was in a big space in a big tent with lots of other things going on so the amount of background noise is considerable and what's worse. I wasn't using my own equipment. I was using <hes> the the local equipment there and the good news is that franks microphone was really good so you'll hear him well. My microphones had was not as good and also because of that. I trying to project so it sounds like i'm shouting the entire time for the entire podcast but you know i've i've done what i can to save the audio file makers listenable as possible and like i said frank was the one year there listen to is actually very clear in this recording so i think it's such a good conversation on the substantive level that is well. We're listening to so. Let's go all right. Thank lance welcoming mindscape podcasts. Thanks excrete beer so i wanna put into words what it is you do although i've already done the intro but you both designed games and have this sort of academic positions -sition. Why don't you tell us a little bit about who you are what you do what what are the games that you've been responsible for. Well game designer have been making games for a long time. <hes> <hes> and also teach game design at n._y._u. <hes> both of these simultaneously the game design department is in the tisch hich school of the arts the same school that has the film school and acting and things like that and the ideas that the instructors there are also practitioners so we are professional game developers people who have an ongoing career in practice and so that's what i've been doing for for many years now and <hes> as a game designer in new york. I made a lot of weird kind of experimental games. I had a small small studio called area code <hes> be specialized in location aware games and street games games that took place in physical spaces that incorporated computers but weren't on computers. They weren't video games that visual sense instead of taking advantage of the emerging kind of ubiquitous computing technology to create new kinds of game experiences that brought back social interaction in into the mix so i did a lot of games like like that. I taught a class in in that style of game at n._y._u. And the students in that class made a game called pac manhattan which was uh translating the game pacman onto the grid onto the street grid of new york city so that's the kind of thing that <hes> <hes> that we did do a bunch of games we made a bunch of large-scale social gains for facebook. We also did a game called dropped seven which you you may be spent many hours playing drops out on the iphone nice nice and <hes> yeah so i've made lots and lots of games over the years and then recently a couple years ago i made a game called universal paperclips which was the sort of first time that i had sat down onto program a game again myself from from scratch and so that was a fun experience and that's the most recent thing i've take over your life programming something nothing like that it was deeply satisfying and and learning experience i should mention i'm very new at this in the sense that this is the first ever time that mindscape is a live podcast so for those of you listening over the podcast radio internet network <hes> we are here live at the santa fe interplanetary festival it will also explain why you may hear noises in the background like what i think was a chairman was going on but it may very well have been in alien creature talking king. It's special language because we're here at the interplanetary festival. Anything can happen so that's okay. We're all about experiences and new ones and seeing how things go so one of the wonderful things. I like frank about your work. Is that you you have designed games. You program games coated but you also think carefully about the bigger picture which is my favorite thing in our favorite thing here on landscape so let's just be as big as we can. Wh what is a game what what all is some activity as being a game rather than being something else. Well i think of game as a cultural category so it doesn't have a very precise definition fission that will allow you to distinguish between things that are games are games in some kind of automatic way by looking at their internal characteristics and identifying them instead it it is you know it represents a kind of a broad category of human action and i think of it as being a creative form something like an art form and aesthetic form so something like literature were music were filmed dance. You know that kind of thing <hes> and so it's going to have all the same kind of ambiguity to precisely identify what is or isn't a game but to me it is it is the art form of interactively edit is the <hes> is the creative form of designing experiences for people. You're still trying to create something meaningful beautiful interesting popular expressive expressive but you're doing it by crafting people's interactions by crafting their their choices and their actions so so i'd like that the art form of interactivity so the <hes> i apologize to the audience like i i. There's an audience in front of me so i feel i should project my voice to them but the podcast awed cast listeners who like why is he shouting on the podcast he doesn't do that. Sorry taken into consideration but interactively then clearly so that's the thing like it doesn't matter her that there's a goal doesn't matter you can win or lose. It doesn't matter that there are other people. There's a matter that you're not just looking at the work of art. You are interacting with it. That's what makes makes it a game. Yeah and i think things like having a goal win state and law state. Those are the kinds of things things that lots of games do have so when we're looking to identify whether something's a game or not having those qualities make it more likely that it's a game in the same sense that that music is is about sound but you know in some cases music might be about silence. The absence of sound doesn't mean that it's not a piece of music for famous this junk h._p.'s it just like these are the kinds of things by which we it's like a family resemblance to vic and stein famously used game. The word gain is an example of how hard it is to define anything because you know but but yeah there's this family resemblance as you do tend to be about goals but not always and recently a game designers have really been exploring the space of games that are explicitly not about goals. That's <hes> i went through as when i was quasi active in second life. I'll never did second life. I didn't myself and i'm familiar with it. Well i got into it because there was a podcast that was in second life so there was an interviewer we're and so forth jennifer. My wife hosted <hes> was one of many host of this podcast. I gave public lectures in second life. My impression was always for those that you don't know. It's a massively passively online game in some sense but they never see you had an avatar. There was a world. You built a virtual world. There weren't goals though it was an open world old in the broadest sense of the here it is. Here's your play box. Here's your sandbox. They'll play with it and i think it kind of faltered because of that. There's other virtual worlds word award of work craft uh other games that are much more popular because you can still build the world but there's also a way to win or lose moment-to-moment. I actually i'm fascinated by secondly. I think it's more interesting now now. In its moribund state this like abandoned virtual world yeah you see people like take tours of it like they're going to chair noble you know and there's these he's big strange. Decaying ruins of corporate sponsored like avant garde art locations. It's very very weird and cool weird to me because because it's second life it's it tried to mimic life like you could have a house we had a house he had a cat in our house <hes> but then you could apparently just walk into other people's house and rifle around and that was weird and you didn't know that was okay or not i i we start the sort of fascination with virtual worlds was happening nineties and early two thousand s it was a little bit misplaced the idea for me as a game designer owner what was interesting about world of warcraft was not that it was a virtual world happen to be a game it was that it was a game that incorporated a virtual world right and the fact that that it was a game i thought was a really important heart of that experience right because a game like virtual world has the implication that this is just another type of social space but but a game is a kind of seattle. It's kind of like a expressive aggressive like we know we're entering into a kind of performance and yeah so it's important in world of warcraft that it isn't just things like you know race and politics destroy representation of race in politics. You know i was a horde i was i was a troll in wilder gotten hoard versus alliance ryan's and it was big kind of underlying motivation for for your play and i hated the alliance of but it but it was it wasn't real hate right. It's not real hate taking place in a in a virtual space. It was the it was strange kind of performance of hate <hes> which is similar to what you get when you are <unk> are performing the play or or looking at painting reading a poem. You know what i mean. I think that's the important thing but it can also bleed over into the real world. I mean fans of one sports. Team can be very not friendly with fans but other sports. It's true and i think when you get violence in sports. Fandom is where you you see a failure of the of the kind of ritual transformative aspect. I think when it's working sports fandom gives you this kind of <hes> strange toy version of the kind of a totalitarian identity that we get when we just feel like oh. I'm disappearing hearing into the mob. I become a mets fan right. Become a yankees fan and i get to experience pleasure of what it's you know what it feels like to get rid of my actual identity all the nuance and subtlety of being a person and being part of all kinds of communities and instead i get to plunge into this simplistic atavistic and that's kind of beautiful because it's not real you could be a member of tribe without all of the terrible baggage that can salim's go along and it works because we know in this even when we commit fully to it it is bracketed in a way the and that that to me is part of what makes komo sports and games in general <hes> feel like they belong alongside the arts well one of the things i noticed in second life with this podcast awed cast that jennifer was a host of was so she would interview people like you interview people in the podcast she would invite them on and they generally wouldn't have second life. Characters characters already design it from scratch and you saw there were only two types. There were like the people who designed the most sexually attractive version of themselves right like buff beautiful and glamorous or people who went completely crazy they were a unicorn or they will flock of butterflies and and that freedom to be something completely different was very valuable yeah but it's still there. They're still expressing something that was inside their real selves and i i you see that in roleplaying games as well when people design avatars for themselves in in more wind or any kind of r._p._g. They're kind of playing with identity in its way and it brings me brings us back e. I should've even before what is a game what is playing like cats and dogs play. Surely i actually have the cat who plays fetch. She's like a little puppy. Joel grey back in and her brother won't do that but so somewhere along evolutionary evolutionary time our presumably we like everything else in evolution we developed some mental machinery for some reason and repurpose it for another reason yeah so the hunting and the gathering during your whatever got re purposed as play. We know a lot about the evolution of playing what purpose it serves yeah. I think there's a deep scholarship about play that comes out of anger apology and also sociology and psychology and development science and and i did one of the things that's fascinating about games. Is that it you know it taps into this this deep and ancient form of behavior which which is not only there at the beginning of of human culture but really predates human culture by there's a the sociologist zingo inga wrote his famous book called homo ludens <hes> which is about how play really is the origin point of human culture like human yeah the human culture and civilization comes out of play to send the delay of many grandiose claims that you could eat a believer this meeting well yeah it is but we like quizzing so we're going to give him a. We're going to give a nod in this case but <hes> but yeah. I mean as for what it is. I think it has something to do do with the power of free exploration a lot of what we do is is kind of bound and guided the by by our goals are our rules of interaction and then some things we do are more exploratory. They're more improvisational. They are there more unbounded. They involve things that are maybe random or you you know trial and error and we're picked up this bottle. I know what i'm supposed to do which is holding up to my lips and drink it but if i just put them out on the table like that that's that's playful right because i'm exploring the range of possible actions. I can take this us with this bottle and it. It's not just the ones that we think of immediately because we're gonna program to behave in certain ways. It's all all the different ways. I can do this right so that's that's play and i think that's one half of games. I think what's superintendent is not in games you get this idea play while improvisation kind of unbounded energetic in excess and imaginative kind of exploration gratien and it's it's also it's in conversation with the opposite with structure with rules with <hes> with goals. It's with arbitrary goals like i'm going to tie one hand behind my back and now what can i do this bottle like just like a and so these two things are kind of in conversation in games right play and and rules can of freedom and structure rule seem to be one of the things that goes almost inevitably along with the concept of games right and like you say we make them. It's it's always been psychologically fascinating to me that we invent rules and then we stick to that like we invented that like the goal like okay create you know win your golden prize for playing the game a certain number of times on your iphone this week but then they become become very important to us despite the fact that we know they're entirely arbiter and in games we get to play with rules and we get to submit ourselves to to them. We get to experience the pleasure of being bound by a little arbitrary system and there is a particular kind of pleasure there but then we also are given a chance to to to recognize how rules are constructed like as a game designer. My job is to make rules and and as as a player we we encounter boundary game. We we voluntarily step into it. Submit ourselves to the rules but then we then we finish we we stopped playing step back and we realize oh that's the characteristic of this little set of rules but it could have been a different way and even as a player you get to play with the rules. You say what what if we do it again but this time <hes> <hes> let's tie both hands behind her back this time you know let's let's not try to do this thing. Let's try to other thing right and so it gives you a sense of how rules rules are pliable and if i'm playing solitaire. Let's say play with real cards not just on the phone and if i lose if i can't finish the deck i feel bad. I'm tempted to cheat like why is that well because i think part of what you get from a game. Is this little sense that you're being tested and that it's a little puzzle. Solitaire is like a little puzzle and when you well it's all a chair. It's partly a reflection of the fact that you're smart and when you do poorly let's yourself yeah. It's it's almost like wanting to take your temperature again to see. If maybe you could get potter gave this wonderful talk for the audience out there. You should look online for talk. Frank gave that involves two games that he compares and contrasts go and poker and let's let's take them in order because they're both fascinating for their own reasons. Go of course is japanese originally chinese rich chinese originally okay. It's the it's to asian cultures. What chess is western cultures and it's very formal and rigid and the rules are very clear and people get into it and you make this wonderful real analogy that it becomes like a martial art in it's a form of disciplined yamaguchi. Go flair yup. Go as an example of the kind of gain that is a very hard deep cognitive problem like the kind that scientists wrestle with but but totally separate from the the idea in science. You're working on a problem for particular reason because it fits into some larger framework work because by solving this problem solve this other problem or because it might lead down stream to some engineering breakthrough in the case of go you are just wrestling with the problem for its own sake yeah yeah and and <hes> and it's it's a very deep and beautiful game and it's been around for thousands of years and it's another great example of how strange strange games are as an art form because we have i mean they're not that many works of literature or music that people have been interacting with thousands of years and they're still doing it in the same way there so getting the similar kind of value out of it. They're still thinking about it and participating a painting with it in in a similar way <hes> yeah and it said it's it's it's a remarkable game would be remiss if we didn't mention computers now better than you yes. It's it's it's a great example. Sample of how games are often. This sort of ultimate test bed for artificial intelligence and go is this iconic kind of quintessential a._i. Problem problem which just recently tumbled and maybe is sort of last sort of the last game last kind of flee full-fledged full-fledged human game that humans are really good at we'll get to poker in a second yeah. It took longer for computers to win at go against the best i still players than at chess it did and and people i can a little bit <hes> over interpreted that they were like oh chess of course of course computers going to get a chance ask because look at it you can see that it's it's combinatorial and you can just crunch through and look at all the possibilities but go go requires intuition a deep insight and all these kind of ineffable. I think there was a sense of that. It maybe especially among game designers for whom one of the beauties of go is that it does require intuition and and there isn't ineffable quality like you talk about things like shape and these kind of nebulous concepts like it's not just sitting down and crunching through if there you go there i go there you go there. You actually do have these hard to pin down concepts and so i think people thought this will be our bulwark against a it'll last for a long time because it didn't didn't for those who've never seen it. How big is the gore nineteen thousand nine hundred thousand nine hundred nineteen grade and he put either white or black alternate terminates black and white stones so i mean part of me wants to say a scientist here for a second. It's a finite game. This only find a number of things that can have short but the other part says but numbers really really big so of course when real human beings play go just like playing chess. We don't in our brains tried to go through every combinatorial royal possibility we use heuristic. We use our intuition. We look at the shape of the bore feeling you talk about the energy that comes off of different configurations of the pieces and of course that you ask the computer to do it. I heard a talk here at santa. Fe student backed up by former professional. Go player who like many professional go players gave up when the computer one because they can't compete now with the computer but what we one of the things we learned was one of the things that was holding the artificial intelligence eligible back from becoming a really good player was that they trained it on human games. I and it actually turned out to be much better if they just let it play against itself ever word poisoning it with that was the real headline with alpha is that it got so much better when we stopped trying to seed it with with the the centuries of knowledge that humans had developed with all of our insights all of our heuristic all of our ways of teaching go we just left that out and instead we gave it the rules and then we gave it a technique for playing against itself and a preference for winning and it did so much better it was really kind of an interesting lesson they're of ads about humility and some of the players used words likely was playing against an alien because the computer used concepts that the humans hadn't thought of before it was still beautiful like the thing is that the the go experts who are watching off ago still found the moves that made that were surprising to be exquisite and so that was exciting tourism beauty beauty that is on one hand hand non human or inhuman because it it surprised us and came out and on the other hand deeply human because it is go itself expressing depressing. It's up like it is an project. Alpha was the results of of hundreds of people thousands of people collaborating and working together other and building on each other's insights and knowledge to make this piece of engineering so in some sense. It's deeply human yeah. That's a that's a nice thing. It was humans who had the motivation to invent invented. The game with the computer never got to play another game. It wouldn't get frustrated yeah. That's what it comes to being yeah and that's why i like this idea of ah using games like go almost as a tool of self discipline right as a way. It's almost like a meditative monk lake or martial art like practice training ourselves ourselves to be slightly better people than we are. Yes it's it. The way i like to think about it is that it is. It's a way of thinking about thinking go itself is a way of thinking about thinking and artificial intelligence is also a way of thinking about thinking and when people play go. I think this is true for for as long as people have played go. They've been doing a kind of artificial intelligence research because they've been thinking what's possible. If i take this little isolated problem and devote all of my thinking in fact devote my entire life like a serious go player. A serious player of any truly competitive in a game gives up the rest of their life to explore this thing and to world of warcraft. You'd say it's terrible. Big is beautiful yeah and just and so in the case of a game like go which is about decision making what they're doing a saying. I'm going to sacrifice my life in order to explore in the deepest possible way what what it means to solve problems to what it means to apply every fiber of my cognitive ability to solving a very precise and specific kind of problem and to and to go deep and to watch it unfold and it turns out. It's fascinating and beautiful. It's trivial even though it's it's an extraordinarily simple bowl game with only a handful of rules well. Maybe this is a good place to mention the idea that if you just say games especially in our modern culture where that has slightly the connotation of video games people worry is a slightly disreputable connotation right like this is something that kids do is distracting them from more important things. If you'd said chess or go maybe they would sit. They would get the fact that that's a more elevated. <hes> sublime thing that is it really different or all all games have an aspect of i think people are right to be suspicious of games. I'm a game designer. I've devoted my life to making games and playing games and i love them repeatedly but games by their very nature have to live outside of ordinary life and we should be suspicious. Suspicious of art is the same way right. People are all suspicious of art. We spend all your time like reading these these stupid books you know <hes> and end and re reading comic books or or you you're obsessed with with music and you know you're like hanging out with your friends playing that annoys instead of doing something practical and useful so i think in that sense yeah games occupied this weird space outside of our are kind of ordinary system of values and they should that's their job is to be out there doing weird stuff and and exploring the the you know the edges of what we what we know in thinking imagine so it's part of my job is the podcast host is to be slightly contrary play. The devil's advocate a little bit here so some might be very beautiful. Even warcraft to be beautiful is on way there are some games that are really really simple and yet it's hard to describe the same level of beauty to them and yet they really get us. They get their hooks into us. Become addictive as a whole is one of the gaming comey's called addicting games teams that they shoot for. Maybe tetris was the first very well-known one on the computer but this is this is definitely a goal certain game designers to make a very simple game mm-hmm that will prevent people from ever putting their phone and i and i think we can just we can look at slot machines as a case in point of this right slot machines are games i would would i would say and there are there is a very dark energy. Just islamists so machines ruin people's lives not everyone. I mean there are some people have a healthy relationship to slot machines and they actually get some meaning and pleasure and joy and beauty out of slot machines and <hes> <hes> but literally no skill by the way right. You're pushing a button or pulling us. Yes yeah that's the kind of <hes> yes the quintessential version of assam issues. He's going to be an advantage gamer who find slot machines and exploits certain payoffs and use your intelligence to actually get a little bit of an edge but let's say in the case in the classic case. A slot machine is just pure animus. I love the fact slot-machine tournaments there. Are i mean yeah you. There are people who make a living playing clang slot machines but anyway the thing is so so slot machines do have dark energy and we are right to be anxious about that and and and and i think good game designers know that have a kind of aversion to that type of game. They recognize that they could do that. You can put that into into your game but but most good game designers want to make a game that is more than just compelling. It does more than just caused the player to wanna. Keep doing it if they want to make the kind of game that they themselves. Look the kind of game that after you played it you're happy that you did and you look back and you say oh that added something of value to my life. Not oh god i'm sick to my stomach because of just wasted my time and energy and money and and but it's it's never that simple right because sometimes great gains can have a little bit of dark energy in them. Great art can have a little bit of dark energy a little self off destructive energy right and so we don't want we want to be careful not to be too dogmatic and to say oh well we can apply this moral oro filter to gains and understand what's good and bad about them because the role of games like the rule of art is not just to be good or bad but to explore. We're being good or bad means right and you can't do that if you start from a starting point where you're like well. I know what bad is bad. Slot machines are bad. That's that's what addiction is bad right now. So part of what a game like my game drop seven. I hope which i which i think is kind of addicted has addicted elements but i hope i really hope is that it's not just addicted but it is in a sense about addiction. Mike it gives people a kind of a toy version of a thing that is a little bit like heroin irwin but also a little bit like sudoku and a little bit like like tetris and a little bit like a painting or a little bit like a rug or a little bit like weaving and it takes all of these things and combines them in a way that i hope gives people some insight and perspective into how their mind weeks and why why they enjoy it not not just kind of a black box that they disappear into some sense. It makes sense but i want to say parenthetically for the cosmology aficionados in the audience. This is a different sense of the word dark energy than we own cosmetology or is it or is yes. It is definitely okay. So what do we know anything about the neuroscience of what makes it addicting is there. Are there meetings it. Just poke your dopamine receptor. We do a psychologist noelle sort of reward schedules <hes> and in the case of machines for example what makes them so. Oh powerfully compulsive is that the rewards are intermittent that we <hes> yeah. We're not able to predict them. These famous experiments where rats they push the button and they always get a pallet. They'll do that until they've had their fill but if they push a button and occasionally got a pellet. They'll do that until they died. Yeah they'll do that so and so this kind of intermittent reward schedule is a big part of what makes something truly compulsive but i tend to be a little bit skeptical that sometimes i will get calls from journalists and they'll be like tommy me how these evil corporations making these addictive mobile games are using these psychological principles and and i have no doubt that these big companies but he's do employ psychologists but i actually don't think it's that easy and because i think if it were everyone would do it right there. I think even in the case of slot machines if you talked to design slot machines. They don't always know what what is going to be popular. They'll they'll try a bunch of different kinds of slot slot machines and it turns out. Oh this golden girls machine is doing amazingly well with his batman. Machine is yeah exactly so there's still the sense of trial trial and error and in some sense it's still kind of creative process and i think for me in terms of gains. The important thing to remember is games our culture do games are not primarily technology. Games are a form of culture that has this deep relationship to technology but they are not simply technology. They're not simply devices. Is there not things that you plug in and then you get a haddan ick pulse and that they they're like a coffee machine. You know instead. They are more like hat's it's like why did everyone wear hats for awhile but it every single man in every social space where this same for a while that was it is it is addiction. You know it's it's like i think games <hes> even addictive games have that weird element in them which makes them hard to just just <hes> you can't just plug in a formula and guarantee that you'll have something popular or compulsive. It's never happened to me but has it may be happened to you that you've been playing a game so much that you fell asleep while you were dreaming. You kept playing the game. Yes i'll tell you the game that did that to me. In the most powerful way was again by david o'reilly called everything okay beautiful game. If you've never played it i really recommend it played on the playstation and <hes> it. It's an expiration of the the thinking of alan watts the great philosopher and david. Who's this brilliant genius <hes> made the game in such a way that if you stop controlling it for awhile it sort of automatically starts playing itself and so if you just put the controller down after a while it'll slowly start to just kind of randomly do actions and move through the space and explore it and i was playing very late one night and it was retired and and it was it was already kind of in this loopy kind of state of mind and listening to the voice of alan watts talk about transcendence and and mindfulness and i was drifting out of consciousness and occasionally i would wake up and the and the game would be playing and i wasn't even sure whether whether or not ars hey yeah it was a really beautiful rates wow yeah i think there's a lot to learn that we don't yet know about psychology of this personal theory about tetris and even dropped seven on these other games games where there's some threshold where every time you lost you felt well done one little thing better. I would've won so there again. I think that's the mark a good game in many cases because what we're trying to do as designers is create. Just that experience where i i lost but there's meaning to my like i understand now i should have done differently and so what the players doing is building up a little model of the system that you designed and and they're doing doing they have hypotheses and then they little experiments and i think there's a lot of kind of toy science in a lot of games and and so yeah this this feeling of <hes> the player wanting to understand what you've made and going deeper and deeper so that feeling of like i know what i want to try differently this time i love it i also i love it in a game where i get the feeling that something here is broken. I bet i can exploit. I bet there's a thing here that the designer has not thought of and so i'm going to use an axe and i'm not gonna wear any armor and i bet i'm gonna get this weird and and so that feeling of something being almost broken or the potential of it being broken to me. That's cabinet well. It goes back to your self image right. You're you're playing a game to get reaffirmation. I some pretty clever here the sticking being pretty clever. Let's switch from go. We got off this idea of a sublime martial art that we used to train ourselves to poker which is actually one of my favorite games and you you wonderfully contrast. This idea is sitting in the tranquil then garden and playing very slowly bovine deliberately in engaging your most rational mind to the degenerate gamblers community in vegas yeah. It's it's these are to be riverboat. The two games that i played most you know deeply in my life in some ways they're very similar but yeah they have this 'cause 'cause go is sort of like the beloved of game design snobs and it has this. It's detained game when it's kind of like a sacred ritual and there's a lot of respect and kind of decoding and then poker of course is the game you play when you're crouch down next to the slot machines and you know they've set up a little table and yeah you're listening to the chime sambas and they're bringing you free drinks and in and you're not even sure whether you're good or not because you think you're cleverly exploiting some edge that you have but maybe you're not. Maybe you're are you just suck and you don't even know right so it puts you in this totally opposite frame of mind. <hes> one of those fascinating things about poker for me is that it is clearly advantageous contagious for you if your fellow players think you're an idiot because you can exploit that yeah but there's such an enormous psychological desire for your fellow players to think think you're brilliant. Yes that you resist vantage of that yeah and it's such a beautiful game because it involves all of the kind of problem solving that cognitive problem solving that goes into go right. There's still lots of math in in poker lots of ways to apply yourself and develop a kind of you know serious scholarly <unk> discipline to really plumbing the depths of how this thing works as a system and at the same time. It's deeply social. It's so much about <hes> tapping into to your your ego and the ego of other people also how we predict each other right other models that we have have for each other's behavioral this kind of thing model what your opponents are going to do believe that model by talking to them but not talking right hiding but but it involves a kind of empathy like oh you can't be good at booker unless you can put yourself into the shoes of your phone and and think what are they thinking and they're doing the same thing to us so you get the straights reciprocal quality. What are they thinking. I'm thinking and and it's just it's mind. Blowing is one of the things that lead john van noy men to invent game theory but he looked at poker the smartest people in the twentieth century and he was like e compared poker to go to chess and he was like well chess is not really a game chess is obviously just a macro yeah hooker now. That's a game because if he has it involves this <hes> conflict between people were all about what what i think you think i think right. It's this deeply convoluted back and forth of of of model each other and that's what he wanted to understand and and yet <hes> jim mcmanus who's a writer who wrote a wonderful book poker <hes> point out that at least for a long time every poker book had <music> six shooters on the cover of the book even though they have nothing to do with playing poker. There's this image of outlaw of degeneracy of living on the edge. That is the opposite at the image that we have in jessica but i do love the the mythic figure of the gambler <hes> and it's to me. It's always been a romantic thing. It really is a romantic ideal deal because i think what the gambler represents the aliens are landing here somewhere nearby but we're going to press on with the mythic archetype of the gambler represents is the person son who has trained themselves or by their very personality has a taste for variance a taste for risk. If you're willing to each risk you can profit from it and there's something powerful and strange about that because i think randomness risk probability. These are things that as humans words still trying to wrap our heads around. We still don't quite understand how to think about them. In physics right. There's this like deep debate about how to interpret randomness whether it exists ability yeah yeah exactly and here we have in in poker an art form devoted to it it which <hes> in its own way is is about getting at some of the same questions <hes> how does the world work is everything to tristan jessica yeah but the the idea of expectation and the idea of nothing results-oriented is is one that i love in go or chess. There's a right or wrong move move in every circumstance and if you don't know what it is but in khokar you might make the best possible move and still lutes yes and which is what makes exits so incredibly maddening right you can you can work so hard and you could be sitting at a table of people who are only there to party and they've never once i thought about how to player with the right moves and you can be playing at such a high level and they can just be making the donkey hist moves ever and they can take all of your money and they can do it over and over and over again and it's just soul crushing but but that's what makes it to my to my beautiful because you have to overcome that kind of soul-crushing quality yeah and that's the sense in which poker can be a spiritual discipline just like go was it gives practical advice to the audience. You know if you want to make money playing boettger vegas two a._m. When you've not been drinking is the best time to play 'cause w plenty of people who are there just have a good time yes. If you wanna make money at poker our <hes> come play me tonight. John and oregon have again. We're just terrible so but it is it's a it's a different kind of game exists in some sends more realistic than go. It hasn't been abstract down to this pristine set of situations. It's a game of incomplete information. We don't what's going to happen right and that some of the and i also think it's a harder a._i. Problem for that for that reason strictly it is because it does involve this reciprocal modeling playing in guessing and and it's it's the same kind of a problem. If all you're trying to do is develop a cast iron strategy that is not exploited in other words. If all you want to do is develop a strategy that no one else can have a strategy that will get money from it average tie it perfect strategy in that sense. That's just a a trivial. It's not it's a hard problem but in some sense it's it's a knowable problem. We understand how to solve that problem and it's <hes> but if the problem you're trying to to solve this. How can i make a strategy that is flexible enough to adapt to the poor play of my opponents in a way to maximize the edge. I have against other players who are not playing perfectly. <hes> then you have a higher level problem because then you have all of the psychology of interpreting people understanding what their strategy is from their actions and they might be doing it to you at the same time if goes human than poker's even more so for exactly yes yeah yeah poker's superhuman and you had this wonderful quote from phil ivey who is arguably the best poker player in the world right now i thought last night i don't know if you remember the quote your i should give you give it an ultra speaking july. Be you know just chit chatting with other poker. Players in the middle of the game said you know when you lose so much money that you can't breathe. I love that that's what i'm addicted to. That's what i meant was right because this was i think <hes> in polk after dark one of these other great t._v. shows and so he wasn't even unaware that necessarily it was like in the background in the chatter and <hes> it was very honest and as soon as i heard that i got chills this idea that that's that ah weird feeling of being sick to your stomach that pain that is the thing that he was addicted to is like i recognize that and and again there's there is a darkness there <hes> that that there's a kind of destructive energy. That's not a good thing i'm not. I'm not here to tell you. This is all sweet and wonderful and you know this is. It's it's it's horrifying and it is destructive right. I mean <hes> but it also can be kinda deeply meaningful and deeply beautiful so that's what i'm into but it's also a central part of games such as poker. You lose a lot of money but even if you're a spectator. We just finished the n._h._l. And n._b._a. Playoffs right most teams and their season on a losing note. Most fans are disappointed at the end of the season because they didn't win the championship. There's that that sense of loss being not not making. I never liberal but at least likely is a big part of what brings us to these game. Yes in less like me. You are the north in which case. I was very happy. Okay well there you go but you didn't know that ahead of time as a philadelphian i would say that you guys got lucky joel embiid pacific during playoff for despite all of this masochism and <hes> love for variance and losing and so forth games art right. I mean it. Is it half before we societally change our view. The the word art is so overloaded. It's just like it's it's. It's something similar to an an art form in the same sense that pop music is <hes> is an arch is an art form. It's a creative warm expressive aesthetic form in that sense. I i mean i think i don't think you can dictate to culture. How culture should interpret things. I think culture is so complicated and nebulous this process. I try to contribute in my work as as a teacher as a designer as a as someone who is out giving talks and stuff i do try to get people to be aware of what it is that people who love games what it is that they love because i think it can be confusing like if you're outside of the world of games looking in it can look like kanawha sense. It looks like an explosion in a cartoon factory. It's like what is happening is weird violent junk that my kid is obsessed with <hes> and and and i do hope that i can help people who look at that understand no part of what your kid is doing is deep problem-solving. <hes> part of what your kid is doing is exploring a complex system and forming hypotheses and and trying to get better part of what your what your kid is doing is developing being disciplined part of what they're doing is social and collaborative and yeah and so that doesn't ex- you know in some cases people's yup some most kids play too many games probably do and balance yeah but but understanding what is happening under the hood <hes> and and what is valuable about that <hes> i think is the is the first step toward developing kind of collectively <hes> evolving into a more sophisticated audience with that that demands better games right that has a more subtle and refined center taste for what it makes a good game and pushes the art form in the right direction. I was at a conference. Maybe fifteen years ago so just put in social context but it was about science and drama and narrative so mostly about scientists talking to writers and an english professors and some conversation was happening and i came up with the idea. I raised my i handset. Are we gonna think decades from now that the newest most exciting form of story storytelling is games and everyone said oh. Oh no that's. That's not stories because they stories. There's only one thing that happens. You can't have a story where you're not sure what's going to happen next. I think maybe we know better now. Yeah i think in some of the most interesting stuff that's happening in games. <hes> is these new forms of storytelling <hes> and both in a traditional sense where you just have love great characters and kind of rich world building <hes> kind of woven into into game experiences <hes> and also in in <hes> kind of avangard sense of exploring what what a story is what a story can be <hes> and new forms of narrative and new forms of storytelling <hes> <hes> yeah. There's a there's a lot happening in that world. That's really interesting and for the audience maybe not everyone is calibrated here. Compare the size of the video game industry to the size of the movie industry right. Now it's bigger. I don't know this is a contentious money contentious but but i think most by most measures it is basically the sort of biggest i <hes> pop cultural industry right now <hes> so when a game like red dead redemption two comes out. It's not just the biggest game launch in history. It's the biggest kind of entertainment's taints launch in history <hes> so yeah in terms of overall scale as a as a commercial industry <hes> it's it's immense which is is great for me because as someone who's excited about the creative possibilities. I get to kind of like a tag along to hijack. This is rising tides commercial tied <hes>. He's not my primary interest. I wanna make gains that make money off by my game but i'm mostly interested in in the creative potential potential right <hes> and so it's good it's a good healthy. I think mix honestly there's a difference with other forms of mass market entertainment in that. There's some barrier to entry. It's silo a little bit like when a really big movie comes out everyone knows about it whether or not they go to see it whereas there's huge numbers of people all that no idea what you're talking about when you talk about red denver dance yeah but i mean maybe less and less over time like maybe that's just a generational thing and and <hes> you know maybe those aren't you twenty year old know about read that i think i think it's pretty well understood catch stone of culture as much as what an quip. I guess unity the adventures yet. Maybe it's not as well known as that but it's hardly partly because the avengers lives or dies as spectacle razz red dead redemption has a because because it is an activity and a hobby almost <hes> lives and dies by a slightly different cultural logic. It's not just about imprinting. Take off as an image and enfeebles has yeah i did it is about <hes> creating a place and a space that draws people in <hes> in so maybe that's part heard of the difference and you've highlighted the interplay of emotion and logic. I think is how you put out. <hes> and there's certainly a way that a video game can be where it's it's purely pristine logical right. You're adding up numbers or you know getting the shortest path and this also away a game can be. I shouldn't have said video any game right <hes> where it's more more experiential more emotional more about how you're feeling in the moment and is it slightly over generalizing. Is it okay to say. There's a sweet spot where they're both engaged. You don't think of it in terms of a sweet spot where you have these two things and they're in conflict instead. I think you have these these two different mindsets right the the kind of logical rational mindset of you know this may be reductionist and kind of a conscious problem-solving and then you have the mindset of this kind of emotional intuitive <hes> imaginative improvisation all mindset that is more fluid and less kind of logical analytical nicole. I don't think of those things as being opposed. Necessarily i think they're kind of woven together in a game <hes> and so for an example you take the game chess <hes> which which in in one sense is this kind of purely logical exercise of problem solving analytical problem solving and yet the chess itself. Is something like an art form. You know you're doing this analytical problem solving because you find it beautiful because you there is an emotional connection to it because you find it expressive and meaningful and beautiful in ways that you can't precisely articulate and so in a sense this this logical problem solving is embedded in in something that is entirely illogical right. It's not it's not logical to devote your life to play chess. It's highly illogical fence what the nation's alright yeah but but but we do it because we we find it beautiful and we find it meaningful and and so these things i think are wrapped around each other. It's more refractoriness practical structure than it is a kind of dialectical certainly something even less chesser. Go there are styles of play right if you thought of it as a purely long expression trying to win you might not think there should be style what makes magnusson <hes> <hes> thorny in his life how described as but he's like he's known as someone who is like stubborn and the and always doing solving a math problem but but it shows you that even in the realm of solving math problems there is nuance there are deep kind of that we will never get to the bottom up right <hes> even when problems are well defined the path that take through solution space can be totally irreducible individualistic yeah an and expression of who you are as a person i remember i was on a panel once with <hes> gary kasparov who i i like to introduce him as the last human being who is the best chess player in the world right. Now computers were the best but he said <hes> something. I thought that was very interesting because his personal style was very aggressive or asked and there were there's a conventional wisdom that was not the right lightweight play yeah and he said when the computers came along they played that way he felt very he tells me yeah he helped indicated that you know it's funny when professional chess players talk about outplay they often use concepts from poker. This is another thing i love about games is that when you go deep on any one system you find these resonances right and so they talk about <music> out. There's a lot of professional chess tournament level chess play. There's a lot of predicting what you're gonna do. What openings are they going to bring <hes> what things are going to work well against them moving to spend your time thinking about the right pathway and you can also have bluffing in chats right. You can make a move and hope that your opponent thinks it's a good move move when in fact you don't know for sure whether or not but you're trying to kind of like rattle them <hes> i just i just love. I love this mix between these. We think we have these categories stories. We think we know the difference between logic and emotion but i think games highlight the ways in which these things bleed into each other and i like the idea having styles these different different kind of games. It's a different aspect of the fact that games help with self-discovery right not self disciplined self expressions veering out who we are yeah. I i totally agree and i think <hes> any game that you play is an opportunity to learn something about yourself an opportunity to to to be on this. I this path of self improvement self overcoming. You know what i mean like this this path it. I personally want to be on as as a human where i'm where i'm not just good at what i'm doing but i'm kind of improving my idea of what good means like what what type of person am i trying to and i think think games give you an opportunity to do that. You don't have to most games are now like that must be play. Games aren't doing that many people really they're just wasting in their time and their just disappearing into a pleasant experience and that's great but i think along the way there's always this potential sure and that's that's what gets me excited. If we think about the history gained design. Are we getting better at connecting with the sublime in our games. Is that something that is devalued in the community. I think we are i think i think we are getting better and better <hes> which is not to say that it's like a simple straightforward path back to you know that over time we get better at instead. It's this weird security all forms of culture. Are we getting better music. I sort of and yet got there are ancient pieces of music. I find deeply moving <hes> and so i think games are similar. <hes> as as a design zayn discipline i do think we are developing new methods and better kinds of <hes> <hes> best practices and and a sense of of how to do at this really difficult challenging task <hes> slightly better <hes> but <hes> it is it is irreducible. One one aspect of the self-discovery is given there definitely is an aspect of being addicted or being in a zone and losing yourself. There's another aspect of games that let you you become more conscious of processes. The were unconscious right. You had that wonderful example of a game where you tried to just walk with our keys. The keyboard wab realized that walking down really hard to tell your life what to do yeah this wonderful game by by a close friend of mine bennett fati it also teaches you <hes> <hes> yeah coop which is just a game where you're walking and and and it's hilarious because it it did was criticized this incredibly the convoluted control scheme where you control like different limbs and in your and <hes> and so it turns this this trivial thing into this deeply complicated thing but you can get get good at it. I did not get good at it ten minutes that i spent give give yourself okay. Maybe i want you. So what do you think it up a little bit. <hes> two things you can ask answer which i you're on. One is <hes> speculate crazily about the future of gaming. Will it become a bigger bigger entertainment detainment behemoth or will it sort of blur into the cultural mill us so that gains are everywhere in some sense and the other is. I'm sure we have a heterogeneous audience. In terms terms of some people are advocating receptacle never done it and for those who've never done it. How should they approached games are there are there certain games they should think about playing <hes> is there. Is there a gateway drug. I want to answer the second question. It's too hard to predict culture in the answer. Both you can just say i can ordering the first one person. I'll just knock it out of harker among ivanka. The job of a game designer is to answer that question. Every game designer is trying to figure out what the future of games is and is going to be and and what it should be and so in the process of making games. We are actively fulfilling. That kind of role of predicting meeting with future gigs is can be so. That's my short answer. The second question of what a lot of times people come up to me and and what kind of game i play how how do i get into this world. What i like to tell them is find a game that your friends are playing and play that like it's it's so much. It's so much more important that you play a game as part of a living community then that you played the right game. <hes> play a game that other people are playing that you can talk to them about it like you can learn from them because it well. What did you like what did i. You know i didn't get very far. I'm stuck here or that. You can play with them. <hes> <hes> and i think about the game as being part of a social practice where people communicate with each other through through the game i think that's i think that's more important than playing just the right kind of like little masterpiece. That's going to like this whole idea of masterpieces pieces. You know what i mean like like <hes> we have a running joke in game design about citizen kane the citizen kane of games and and <hes> <hes> but i think games by their nature are so squirrelly right they are so evanescent and and and they're so weird that they don't fit into that little tidy box of what a masterpiece is right they don't fit into this this thing where oh yes i can take an object and put it on a pedestal and look at it and see its characteristics in and thereby gets static experience because they're participants and so so it's less important that you play <hes> cinco pows the greatest game <hes> you can play right now. I gave my love by my games on michael bro. <hes> it's more important that you play something that you have a context social context for that you can talk to people about and and learn <hes> and and be motivated soooo participated so i mean there's an introvert part of me inside that says but i just want to ignore other people when i'm playing games but i remember that you know a really good poker table will really matters the other people playing with his a huge partisan spirit. It's really true. I often think if i were in a place and i was given an option as with a bunch of people and i was given an option roommate and play games that you know is a great game but play it with these people were maybe a bunch of jerks or in this other room and play a game that maybe not so good and its own but with these wonderful people that you love and you think are really interesting and clever. It's always better to do this. There's a lot to think about about the future of this. I think they were just starting wording really with <hes> where games go so franklin's. Thanks so much for being on the podcast. Thank you loving and santa fe and the interplanetary festival. Thanks so much for having us and thank you very much. The audience for helping us with this experience has been a lot of fun. Thanks <music> <music>.

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Winners and Losers of Free Agency | Big Board

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Winners and Losers of Free Agency | Big Board

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One fifty tough. This smart can only be called at one. Fifty built for tuck classes full-sized pickups under eight thousand five hundred pounds. gv w. arm c. owner's manual from poor operating instructions. Hey before we started. Today's episode of the wringer. Nfl show just wanted to note that we recorded this episode before the news broke about the nfl. Signing a bunch of new rights deals with broadcasters. If you wanna hear about that kevin clark went on the press box with bryan. Curtis and david schenker. You can listen to kevin talk about these new deals on the press box feed and kevin will also be discussing those deals on the ring or nfl. Show here next week. All right. let's get to the show. Welcome to the wringer nfl show. My name is danny hyphen. I'm joined by my co host. Danny kelly you may know us from the wringer fantasy football show which airs every wednesday during the offseason. But we are coming to you every friday until the draft here for the ringer. Nfl show on the big board and today we are ranking free agency winners and losers with the one and only kevin clark. How're you doing. I'm doing phenomenal. i'm doing phenomenal. i'm excited about. It's free agency period. I'm learning a lot about the league is a lot of sports. Going on danny fits. There's a lot of sports. Are you a march madness guy Not march bandits guy. No no I it's not you know. Obviously versity miami Which is not a march madness. School per se We're not really hoops. Hoops area there And so i've never really caught the bug so to speak case. Get serious question. If the university of miami's mostly famous for like paying players to come then like why. Aren't they good basketball while i all. We got rid of the program for over a decade in the recited to not have a basketball team Seems like a mistake or baseball. So baseball is probably more popular on. Campus than than basketball is mind blowing. It's a- that uncommon in some parts of the southeast. okay. I guess that makes sense anyway. I guess we can talk football here. So we're going to go through. We're going to give a winners and free agency. But obviously winners and losers and free agency has like a connotation because if you win free agency. You're kind of lose so i will kevin you've been talking about this this week on the show. What are you. What is a winner in free agency even mean. I think it's it's a team that had their questions answered right like it's it's not going out and saying okay. We spent i more entropy with the jaguars is about one point. One billion dollars in savings over the last decade right That's that's probably not how you win for agency but what you can do is go out and say okay. Read these holes. There's at least an answer here. There's a logic everything. So when i think about who wins free agency. It's teams that I have a lot less questions about I did three days ago. Deka what do you think a win. Free agency is i mean. I think the way that kevin answer that is very very accurate like filling holes that you needed to fill in terms of big needs on the roster or making sure that you're not going into the draft like completely you. You're not depending on these graphics to like fix your team. You don't have to win and have get a right tackle like that's a good way to win. Friends is to give yourself options for the next year where you're not completely married to doing one thing in the draft you can let the draft board fall you so The way that i approach this wasn't necessarily like the team that you know got the best the most players or the got the spent the most money. Obviously that has been a huge sort of land or minefield in the past. And so that's not exactly the way to win it. However you know a few teams. I think even though they did spend a lot of it i think they made themselves better. They added talent at the end of the day. Like having more talent on your roster can be a good thing even though free agent free agency is notorious for being sort of like this. You know fake thing that we'd get excited about in the off season and then it ends up being terrible like later. I think that you can do it in the right way so That's kind of the point of view. I try to take what i made my less. Well the famous analogies. You're not supposed to go shopping. Hungary right and that's the thing it's like you can go to the supermarket leave with a good cart. Bad cart depends your mentality when you're shopping so with that said okay. we're gonna go here deacon. I ranked the top five teams that we liked what they did. Free agency and kevin. You wanna just absolutely shred us where we're wrong. What if you guys are right. Then tell us we're right. Love starting from a place of positivity here and i will. I will react if you've got if your list trash but i. I'm rooting for your guys. I'm rooting for you guys to have both i think. Hey these are great. Lists these these teams of the problems. What's right this is like a little safe-space this is great. It's like ballot check. Don't tell me what you guys can't do. Tell me what he can do. And when i'm i'm starting with you guys. I think you guys can both make good top five lists. Wow that's why if you're jim you see in ten years you would. You would win. A division title would be terrible new by the way the only if anyone's was in this podcast podcasts. Sixteen they know. I own i crush mid round picks crush them like i was on alvin. Kamara ahead of anybody else. Had fred warner ahead of everybody else like that. That would be my bread and butter if i was gm. I would never hit on a first round. Pick who cattleman. Never happen i would. Maybe maybe it'd be one of these spellcheck types who just trade back all the time. John schneider buncha it is around pecks. Yeah i know. It's funny. Because schneider actually i have similar views on football. Where like drafts like off athleticism in the mid around and take fliers on guy. So what i'm saying is i should be. Gm of socks. What i'm saying. Trade how many. How many wilson. Wilson who wait to put put a bow and i would be a terrible. Gm just draft. I think i've said this before. I would never make the playoffs. I'd give it a ton of bad contracts. But i would draft like five hall of famers. That's my my executive career. Good we'll circle back in that. Okay decay you wanna go first here. Who was the team that you like. The most what they didn't free agency over the last week i really liked what washington as done. Actually i think coming into free agency there for me at least not a lot of reasons to get excited about this team even though you know. They made the playoffs last year. They into the playoffs. I think still looking at that roster good defense. I was not excited about the offense. I didn't know if they could recreate what they did last year. But to to kevin's point like they answered some questions number one. The quarterback spot ryan fitzpatrick ryan fits. Magic is back. fitzpatrick's ninth team. I was actually surprised to hear this. He has played for nine teams now. he's a one year ten million dollars deal. It's not breaking the bank. You come in you bring in a guy who i think can inject some energy you know. He pushed down the field. He can help you run game. Because he's aggressive like throwing now. The field last year obviously They kind of cycled through quarterbacks. Alex smith is not a push the ball down the field guy So i really liked the fitzpatrick move. I think that's smart. Move a bridge to the future. They can still go and draft a guy this year if they want if if if if the drawer false which is like i was saying. They don't they're not forced to but it gives them an opportunity to come guy. Let him sit for your if they want and go from there. The curtis samuel pick saying. I really liked to. I think that's exciting for them. Now you look at this washington offense and it's legitimately may be one of the fastest offense in the nfl. You know we always talk about the chiefs. You have so much speed being able to change the geometry of how you have to defend them now. Washington has terry maclaurin four three speed. Curtis samuel three speed and antonio gibson coming out of the backfield who is like a four three four four guy. You know as a running back. Add in some of the weapons that they've they've sort of in different ways like jd mckissic. I'm not saying he's like an elite player but he's a he's an interesting role player in his ability to kind of catch the ball. Do different things backfield. I think you know what's turned out. Oh see this is going to be an interesting offensively. They also franchise which of flew into the radar keeping their really good guard. So all things considered. I really liked what they do with their offense. I think this offense is actually going to be fun to watch next year. Which is from my point of view brownie points and then i also really liked signing william jackson. I think dow was a really smart move three or forty two million dollar deal. He has been in my opinion. A very underrated star at cornerback over the last few years You know he. He's a guy that can play multiple there schemes. He can play man he can play zone. i think it gives them with along with kennel. Fuller landon collins and cama curl who as a rookie. Last year was surprisingly good A burgeoning secondary and to to match up with what is already an elite defensive. Line this defense. I think has a chance to be really good so All things considered those four moves makes washington a in my mind that right now at least a favorite sort of that division again so they did a really good job. Oh i just thought the salaries a very interesting comment at the end there. Because i i. I m playing both sides in the same way that i waited until september last year until the eagles injuries to declare the eagles. Not making the playoffs of i i. I don't know camp with the nfc east to the point. Made any proclamations guy. Dallas could be better. I love the football team. But it's it's interesting that you're you're you're calling. Let's just say what it is now. it's over calling making. If i had to put money on a team i would absolutely put money in washington win the division. I think they're the favorite. I think that defense the defensive line is among the best units team has the entire league and now they have an offense that can actually put up points that can give the defense leads to defend which was not really happening last year. But i think that that defense is going to be great but now fitzpatrick's exciting and you've also got make lauren and curtis samuel. Which weren't they at. Ohio state together with. Dwayne haskins maclaurin tweeted something about how they were talking about it in freshman dorms plan for the same. Nfl day this sitcom vibes here. Where it's like ryan. Patrick turns out he had one credit shy of harvard. And then transfers has like a thirty eight year old guy at ohio. State like there's like you could make some kinda show about this. But i agree okay. So who's your number one. Oh so i. I had the bucks. I had the bucks at like three. So i agree my number one though. I think the washington three has three but i think the winner afraid agencies the tampa bay buccaneers because they kept all their good players from hitting free agency. I feel like that's actually. The goal of free agency is. You don't want to be competing. They took all these players and they had all them stay on relatively team friendly deals. They had brady renegotiate. This deal to add like three fake years. And then they used and then gronk did the same thing. Bronco told brandt on the or podcasts. That work that he's only signing one year deals technically sons a five year deal with four fake ones that credo this cap space to keep levante david team friendly deal to keep shaq barrett who has the second most sacks of last two years. And you keep chris godwin. I mean the point like you win the super bowl like let's keep all the guys together. They did that's what you want. I just it seems so easy. To see. Like the bucks'll start ten in one. Or whatever i i just that. Is there any argument there about the winning for agency. I mean no. I think that they i thought at some point they might be able to get all these guys under contract by thousand battled to have everything solved with executive can sue. Who and we'll see about that. Everything solved by three hours and afraid he is is a football miracle good for them. Yeah i so is this. i'm on the same page. I have them at the my number two spot. And so when when we go back to the drunken bo parade. Everybody's talking about running it back. you know. it's like this cliche thing we're like. Oh yeah in the in the in that moment in that feeling when you really amped up everyone talks about how great it is. We're gonna keep this band together blah blah blah and then reality sets in a few months later a few weeks later. And you're like oh. I get i could get two more million dollars if i go here. Or whatever and the to me the big one is shack behr like how did they keep shack barrett. I thought for sure he was going to be gone. Because i think he could have taken a top of market deal with someone else to go and like make money. But he didn't. What but what was the top of market deal this year. And this is what we've been talking about for now which you said this was benefiting the good teams because in a normal year a team record out and say we're going to blow our entire budget on shack barrett will that wasn't the reality fragrance and like maybe the jets are or the culture. One of these teams in the colts weren't going to make a big thing like this but maybe a team or the patriots were going to say. Hey we're going to give all our money to shack bear. But i think the reality is. It's this free agent period. Benefited the bucks. Because there wasn't a team that was was both desperate and cap cap space heavy So i don't i. I think that there was a slight advantage. Tilting towards the box i still think it's. It's remarkable if they did this. But i do think the circumstances are right for them to running back but this is also the brady effect right because at some point when you're talking about the difference between sixteen and a half million and seventeen and a half million dollars per year. It's like at some point. You got an full for the money but also because you love football. You're winning super bowls. The tom brady. Who wants to leave that. This is like you're part of history. It's about legacy. I will say this there are now. There are two people who kept their promises from long ago. One is the bucks at the pope rates running back and the other is teri mcclair and curtis samuel dorm saying ever gonna play Together in the nfl. So that's promises. Made promises kept late. Speaking of the parade we talked so much about the importance of process judging process and not judging comes that said i know that the lombardi trophy was caught. However how do you feel about brady rowing the trophy. Because if it had sunk to the bottom of tampa bay the whole discourse would have been different. So how do you judge the throw. I've seen a lot of things thrown from boat to boat. My florida okay. that's at least one of the top ten most valuable and so i've a normally work more often than not at work. I'm trying to think of something it's been lost. I don't know it depends depends on the body of water. Depends what you're doing depends on a lot of alligators around in orlando. there's certain lakes. He just can't really do anything in is lake. Called lake jesup in orlando has thirteen thousand alligators into the water. There kidding That's where all the developers who does you. Can't y'all have to put the alligators somewhere. If you wanna get rid of them Said they would all dump them in lake jesup. This was a while ago. Is thirteen thousand. Alligators seed really can't do anything in the water there So what i'm saying is is it. They were Obviously tom brady understood that you know there was a arrest there but i think he could have gotten to Back if the one in the water ever been fine they could have gotten divers. I just think clanging off the front boat. Just go right into the water. Was like god like think about thinking about the image on that that is a bad omen there maybe bought and they ran back. Yeah i did one see. I did once witness a carton of cigarettes being traded to a shrimp boat in exchange for like three pounds of like jumbo shrimp just being tossed over the edge. But i've never thrown away already trophy where this International waters technically. Okay okay. he outfitted happened. I was in. I asked you a national waters last week really two weeks ago. Yeah four off. The house in the florida keys. It's pretty easy to international waters. I don't know anything about florida. Law not even convinced they have laws now. The guy the tour the guy who was leading the expedition was like we're international waters. I decided to start gambling. I would listen to a full hour of hyphen. Interviewing kevin about florida are not kidding. It's a spinoff pot. I love i love florida. Talk okay you in florida. Who else one free agency. So i got washington have tampa bay to. We talked about them so for me number three and this one might be. Some people might describe this. Wanna i think the patriots. I know and i recognize that if this was another team. We probably making fun of them if this was another. Gm we'd probably be like what are they doing. They're spending so much money. This is going backfire hilariously. But i'm looking at what the patriots have done and actually i. I liked their moves. I like the majority of their moves. I liked that. They added a bunch of talent. They identified that they had a massive look. Really just a talent efficiency if you look at that roster last year. They just needed more guys. They needed more like good players. And they've they've gone out the court cam newton back on a relief deal. He's not you know it's not like they're is costing a lot to get him. They still honestly don't even have to commit to him at this point yet as the starter They went out and got trent brown trade said karras free agency. They added two of the top. The two top tight ends in free agency. They you know they had a big problem last year with an offensive talent offense of skill players being able to make plays They recognize that. So they went out and spend big money to get hunter. Henry johnny smith and i think that was very interesting. From a schematic point of view Strategy in terms of like that's where they're allocating their money. I think that's a very interesting thing like you don't see team spend onto top tight ends rarely if ever so. I think that's really fascinating. And then obviously lauren born are fine but that they beefed up their defensive line match udon calvin roy devin gagio. Henry henderson resigned Dietrich wise the thing is the this calvin noise signing that kind of when other raider yesterday the patriots are getting a fourth round. Pick for van noy this year and for letting him go and play in miami for year and now they have anouilh and that pick back so i just think that was like a perfect sort of you. Know that's the microcosm of the of the patriots So i you know. I don't know if i loved the jalen hill signing we'll see how that works out but there's a few things in here sprinkled in that it didn't quite like but i for the most part i really like the patriots done. They spent like literally almost twice as much as any other team at this point so Kind of a bold strategy. I have them as my loser. And for that reason. Yes if i was wondering the only reason that i it is. It's like well bella. Check did it. And that's my only reason if any like literally if they're thirty other teams had done this. Iran panning and so i'm giving belichick benefit of the doubt because bill belichick has been coaching football since long before i was born. So i'm not gonna sit here and say he's wrong but it's more just being objective about this. I don't understand a couple of these moves giving nelson lexa last year. The raiders sign nelson angler for a million bucks. He was great now. The patriots are giving him eleven million a year. Are you supposed to go out and get nelson agholor or you're supposed to look at that situation. Be like let's find our own version of nelson agholor. You want the million dollar receiver. Who outplays it. You don't need this specific guy. I don't know why they don't get john brown. Signed with the raiders for like a million bucks and then same thing with matt juden i get signing on but like why are they paying. Matt jude on was thirty. Four million dollars guaranteed when they could've waited two days and just signed van noy for thirteen million dollars across two full years. It's just it seemed like there is a lack of patience. I don't really understand against spellcheck. So maybe it'll all work and he's earned the benefit of the doubt if nothing else but looking at the moves so talented. I don't really understand I other than belgium. I don't let being the person in charge of. I don't like it. What do you make of. All these signings kevin so i like some more than others. Obviously the jalen assigned to me was the biggest head scratcher. i i grew decay. Just because you're versatile doesn't mean you're good you could do a bunch of different stuff doesn't mean actually valuable But i think that there's a lot of smart people who were saying. This was the only way they could. They could get their This was maybe about bill. Bell checks admission that he's just never going to draft a good wide receiver against he might have I just think that there's it makes sense in some spots They had the money to spend and everybody with our pod a couple of days ago but bell checks been looking for the inefficiency now for twenty years In new england and in a weird way for the first time This was the inefficiency. Spending was the inefficiency. He's always the bargain. Bargain-basement bargain shopper. And he didn't need to be this time and instead he overpaid for guys. I think i agree with both of you guys in the sense that this could backfire. But i look at the moves that they've made and it changes my opinion of the patriots for twenty twenty one like i was looking at them before us sort of this team. That was probably gonna be middling at best and now. I look them as a probable playoff team. So maybe that is going to end up being like me. Buying like drinking the kool aid or whatever but i just think the hunter henry johnny smith cam newton the what they've done with the offensive line defensive line you you look at every spot every of this roster now and the patriots are pretty talented. Now i get it everywhere across across the board. So you know when when you factor in belgium billy coach guys up i think to me this is just what makes it exciting it could. It could backfire. But i'm i'm right now guessing. It does not yeah. I think that's a good point. I mean again like the they used to be trading out of the first round. 'cause i round picks were overvalued and i do think to kevin's point. There's like an interesting argument that after ten years of everyone being like. Wow don't spend free agency. Then they dip in with this cap situation like actually no screw. We're gonna go do it. And you know what the ability to admit. Mistakes has been kind of the strength of patriots all along so admitting the mistake they've made it drafts as better than putting your head in the sand like other teams. They're they're doing the warren buffett thing. It's like be greedy when people are fearful and be successful when people are greedy like everyone is fearful right now about phrases because the cap is dropping. So i don't know maybe this is. That's probably not what he's thinking. but i it is kind of interesting sort of zig. Whenever else zagging type deal reminds me a little bit of like post moneyball billy. Bean really being became really really famous. Obviously for valuing on base percentage you know we don't need a closer and do things differently. And then in i forget the year but it was maybe four or five years. After the book came out there was a year. He is really prioritized defense and he gave some big extensions up and it was just because the vision that he'd set out for had become too popular So i'm not saying bella check did that a i'm not saying belichick set out to get everybody to start value hunting. And then he decided to start spending like it wasn't he was not planning long game here. I'm just saying we'll you looking situation. It's just it's they are some individual smart decisions. I think the on the whole matrix out much. Better of and i want to underline that point here even if he made some good decisions here. I don the patriots or playoff team in two thousand twenty one But what i do think is that kind of what we're talking about. If if if the criteria is they answered questions about the roster they did that They were just starting a little bit far away from the playoffs. I don't they got there so speaking of money ball. My second team is the houston texans specifically because you know that line and moneyball with like fifty feet of crap and then there's us like that's where the texans are right now and i know it's weird to highlight the texans right now but they just signed like a dozen people like twelve or fifteen people in the last three or four days. None of them were very exciting. I mean we're talking about like tyrod. Taylor mark ingram with a good locker room. Guy like defensive. Tackle me collins. Six linebackers and safeties and cornerbacks. You've never heard of on like one or two year deals. They're all cheap at the bare again questions about the roster note. The biggest question for the texans was after who plays quarterback for them. He's like who plays for this team. Do we have any good players in this roster. The whole thing was hollowed out by bill. O'brien nicosia the. Gm does have to go about running the team and they're just throwing stuff at the wall and like it's not exciting. It's not cool but there's something to be said about. Hey we're gonna throw twenty contracts at the wall and hopefully four of them stick for next year. We need some blocks to build around. There's just think it's a it's a good and unsexy strategy. But i think it makes sense. I had them as one of my losers. 'cause i look at what they've done in. This isn't even talking about like the deshaun watson situation. It's basically. I didn't like any of the signings that they've made knows one of those things where i think hyphen even said it's like none of them are exciting. None of them. I think makes them markedly better or you know gets them out of where they are. It's me it's like they it. This is a bunch of empty calories and it's not gonna make a team that was just kind of like my impression of it so I would disagree on the houston one. That's fine. I look at it as like mark. Ingram i look at it as marketing. A run for thousand yards this year. No i look at as mark ingram z. In here to stabilize the locker room where. Jj watt just said that this is a toxic organization. I want out of your publicly. And it's i look at as this kind of triage on the team like the organization from an identity for perspective. It's not exactly like a traditional free agency thing but sometimes you needed to triage in the team. I will say i think that. There's probably disconnect. I think nick. Sarah can run this like competent franchise on the bottom half of the roster. Or whatever you wanna call it and just make some nice value moves but it kind of looks. Mother teams here. They're just so far away from competence at that. That's not going to solve anything either. Doing nice that you. And i and danny kelly would grade is like b. plus moved or whatever like that. That's that's not what's going help. His franchise and structural problems in the franchise need to be addressed before. Nicosia moves mean. Anything one thing. I will add and i don't. I'm not like strenuously disagree with you. Heights because one thing i noticed while i was making this list is it was kind of hard to pick five winners it was. I had to reach a little bit. I feel like and you'll maybe see that in my next couple i to me free agency were a you know. Technically kind of started on monday. Were about a weekend almost. And i feel like there's still a lot that could happen but right now there aren't that many clear big time winners. There's a bunch of teams that made some moves that you know. I feel like there was mostly neutral on like the vast majority. Nfl team so I think that is very interesting that we've already had two disagreements on losers versus winners. I think that kind of tells you how this frigid period has gone. It's indicative of free agency. So yeah okay. So who's your. Who's your third winner from. Free agency decay so so right now i got washington tampa bay new england and my number four pick is the seattle seahawks and the vast majority of the seahawks pick is the fact that they didn't trade russell wilson. They didn't do the disastrous. I'm grading the texans on a curve and you give her for like not screw up their organization for not completely hamstringing and their team for the next ten years yes. I think that they deserve some credit for that I will say the other moves that they made yesterday on on wednesday afternoon. I thought were very smart. Job ever is a player. I've had my eye on for a while as a underrated talent. Who for whatever reason like there were moments during his first four years where it felt like he was about to break out and be a big time playmaker for the rams and then he would get hurt or whatever there was just so many situations where he was close to kind of an establishing himself as a big player for them and then something happened and it just didn't happen in tile kinda took over and he just kinda got lost in the shuffle but i think he's a good player that got him on a one year six dollar deal so that's you know a very reasonable cost to get a another mercantile offense. I think that was a big need for the seahawks last year. If you go back to the second half of the season. I think one of the reasons. Their offense completely went off the rails. Is that tyler lockett. Throughout much of the second. Half of the season wasn't fully healthy. It looked like he was struggling. I'm he wasn't has top speed. They basically had decay metcalfe. And nobody you know. Greg olsen wasn't a difference maker You know and then with locker hurt. It's who they gonna thirty like their rookie freddie swain or whatever you know what i mean. It's like they didn't gasoline. Freddie swain nato to free sway. It was pretty impressive for a sixth round rookie but That's what you were dealing with as kind of like their playmakers so It was honestly a situation late in the year where every fans were like. When is josh. Gordon gonna come and save the seahawks offense. It was like that was the kind of situation. We're in so getting another guy who can be the he'll be the tertiary option he'll be number three behind decay. Antilock it and that's good because if either of those guys miss timer get hurt. Everett can kind of step in and be you know. I don't think he's a big time star. But he can be a go-to guy. He's very good at running. After the catchy he has It was very very physical. They can move him around the the formation all that stuff so i thought that was a smart signing The resigned puna forward. Who quietly was one of the best defenders to a two year deal so that was smart and then they traded a fifth round pick for gave. Jackson a guard with the raiders. Which i think this to me was the move the absolutely needed to make if they're going to have number one if they're going to repair this sort of damage relationship. I guess you could say with russell. Wilson whatever whatever's going on behind the scenes This move to me screams like hey the were trying to help you out here. We're getting a guy who's been one of the best passed protecting guards in the nfl throughout his career. You know it's a perfect fit in terms of seattle's looking for he. He kind of fits the mold of what type of offensive. I and that they've been looking for last few years Big people mover Put him down either. Garlic aren't sure what they'll do. But opposite dame lewis rookie guard from last year. Who really surprisingly good for them. So they're solidifying. Their offense of i think that was a smart move. It didn't cost them a bunch like a fifth round pick and you got a starter for it And then finally and again. This is like sort of reaching a little bit but i i was kinda relieved. They didn't sign shack if into the deal that he got free agency. I just didn't see him as that. Level that caliber of where he may end up turning into that. Maybe that's the jags are citing this guy thinking he'll be the next good great quarter cornerback in the nfl. But i don't think what we saw from him in seattle in his first four years really warranted that contracts. I thought that was a smart move for them to let him walk in free agency. So overall kevin's dad's star pupil. Oh that's right. So i do wanna point out Just a general general review of seahawks fandom which is that danny. Kelly said that seahawks are winners. Because he didn't deca wrangled into the worst trait of all time. A trade row. Russell wilson for the twenty th pick in this year's draft plus a couple other picks but everything was in that dan patrick package Three first round picks second third and two starters like what what starters exactly. It was defensive. Starters what starters are we talking about here yeah while someone floated that khalil. Mack was one of them which would have made it somewhat more palatable but no i mean it was no it would not be picking late every year like it just doesn't make any sense doesn't make any sense from the. Would the seahawks. Going to do with colo- mac and no quarterback go back to like twenty eleven season where taveras jackson was starter and they were seven and nine and you know burgeoning defense terrible offense that would have been you know what. Maybe i was a little too like nice to the texans. Maybe they weren't too. But you'll be the the getting credit for not shredding rush is giving dr evil credit and austin powers because he decided not to like nuke the entire earth. Like it's like so you didn't make some destructive decision. The doctor didn't dr evil was in austin powers. Put a stop to that. Yeah well he changed his mind. It was his plan and then he changed his mind. That's like the rough trade. Who's austin powers in this scenario. Danny danny kelly. No he's got three ryan bryan pacis wasn't henchmen levy. Defend myself on that. Because this is something that everybody's been talking about on a daily basis for the past month on trade in nfl media. Okay are this asking russell wilson. The bears made a very strong push. It's been in the news every single fucking day for last month. The fact they didn't end up doing it. I think is a win. You have to give them credit. That's okay i'm happy. They are not look. I'm not maybe. I'm not applauding john schneider for not doing the stupidest move ever. I'm just saying they are winners. Because they didn't do the stupid move. Well you already named. Kevin is the seattle. Gm so kevin's the winner. Congratulations given okay. I just think the. I think we've lowered the bar for a winner. That's exactly what happened. That problem go around. The league man is leading out there. All right my next had. I got the chargers because they're protecting justin. Herbert d you mentioned before the warren buffett investing advice. There's also like a good tip. And i picked up scott galloway. He was like a marketing professor at nyu stern. And he's just like i love investing boring companies because all the sexy companies would cool. Ideas are the ones that like. Screw you in like get you to come in and don't make you anything boring. Sometimes like things are boring to hear about you. Know it's boring is the offensive line. So maybe i'm doing my my little maze impersonation here but the the charges offensive line was last in run blocking for pro football focus last year and the in. Herbert was the second. Most pressured quarterback like that's a terrible combination and so they come out and they signed corey lansley to really pretty reasonable two years twenty six hundred dollars and they signed matt feiler for away from the steelers for two years and fifty million dollars. Now you got center and they got a complete guard or tackle. You got your right tackle. Brian blogger and there you go and you draft a tackle in the in the drafts in april. Because there's a lot of tackles going around and now you have an offensive line. And they didn't have one before and they have harbor. Everyone loves her but he's cheap. This is what you spend your money on protecting her. But i think that that's absolutely huge and there will be zero headlines about it because the chargers signing off of lyman's the most boring sentence i can think of signing. The line is like investing in coca-cola or railroads. Are i don't know the answer. Either of those are good investment right now probably not cut twenty four centurions. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm getting like these are warren buffett's like he invested in insurance needs coq railroad. There's a whole town in florida where everybody's a millionaire. Because they got they earn early. Investors and coke. Do you know that the one of the former heads of coca cola tried to get like infrastructural. He wanted every family. American of like a coca cola faucet. Economy actually thing that like goes around. Yeah they have they have. What are the irradiation for coca cola. Utility of coq. Yes that's exactly they wanted to be. I will say just to close the loop earlier point. I think that there's a lot of cities in florida. Where coke is the main business. Call tyler i yeah. It's again and i believe there's rose over too so i don't know as far as business go like i think. North florida has lot lord businesses. Well what about alligator removal putting him in that lake. That sounds like i think that. That's that industry is over. I think that they're settled. Now will you tell me that. There's no guy like there's like no license but it's just the guy you only just shows up. Call the government. no help you. I feel like there's a guy with a pickup truck and some like really thick steel gloves. He will move your alligator if you give them a call so the secret to alligators. General is obviously their jaws closed down at a very rapid speed. But the they don't open very well so you get if you dislike. You can clamp and alligators. Josh shot pretty easily from what i understand. I've never done it by. That's because can win their extended. In like you're gonna take you can take an alligator out of game pretty easily is what you can scheme that up you can ski. That's why length and reach matters so much. Okay that's why. I might go far in the tournament. All right hyphen respond to your pick. Though i actually had the chargers on a shortlist of other teams that i liked to in this kind of goes to appoint that. I think a lot of people make every years like the teams that you don't really hear about doing anything earlier. The early on in free agency are the ones that went like they end up in the winners Clearly goes against by patriots piccolo. Bit but The chargers were quiet list of moves. Like there's three moves they've made essentially And but i think they're all smart moves and it makes them better and so I'm with you on that. I think protecting protecting the quarterback long-term really good quarterback is important thing to do so kudos for that on that note teams doing nothing my my last winter frequencies the ravens because they made basically one move if they signed kevin ziegler from the giants which was upsetting for me personally but this is again very boring but they signed a guard who they needed a guard and the interior offensive line because the ravens line was not great but instead of paying a lot of money for joni or paying a lot of money for another guard they get ziegler who long story short doesn't count against them for compensation picks it is not worth explaining that but long story short. They basically now going to pick up. Maybe like a third round. Pick for matt jude on Instead of if they had signed jo teeny so they basically got zeitler and a third round pick and not touching maybe a fourth round of for yanic and god kway and like he might even be better than joe tune in this year. Like you don't know especially it's just so random with offensive line sometimes in terms of sometimes who gets hurt. He's not obviously tunes. Been durable but i think it was a really good signing for them so i know it's really boring but the ravens just picked up a couple of picks like with these other pitino signing their players way still filled the same position not they also they also re a few their defensive lineman just ls thais bowser derek wolfe You know again quiet moves that you adding depth defensive line or keeping their depth defensive line. I think any orton always over one wherever we discussed compensatory so we can move on unless kevin you have. It's serious big thought on kevin's dealer. I have no. I thought it was solid. It was fine. I don't have any big thought. Dick who's your last winter for free agency all right so i kind of waffled between three different teams here. I'm going with the san francisco. Forty niners because i think keeping trent williams is big for them for their identity for what they wanna. Do you know cow shanahan for all the buzzer. He gets like a defensive genius. Like they're run game oriented. You know which is kinda goes against like modern pass. I offenses and everything. That's sexy right now about pass. I offense as year. Are this in this era. He's a very much like a smash mouth run the ball You know play balanced football that stuff. They signed trent williams. Who probably was the best left tackle in the last year. It's a it's a pricey deal But i think it was one that they needed to do a move they needed to make to kind of really solidify what they wanna do on offense overall so signing him was great. I think alex mack perfect fit for them at center He's getting older too but like at the same time you know. I think they see themselves as a team that can compete for a super bowl again. This year that were were one year removed from them being in the super bowl last year. Just as astra's injury situation So you know solidified offensive line. I think that was really smart of them. They they re signed jason garrett for a one year five million dollar deal which felt like another bargain. I think he's just trying to bet on himself again. Wait until next year when the cab explodes in and try and make more money then Emmanuel moseley resigned. I didn't love the kyle us. Check citing you like again. He's who they competing against here. I don't really understand that but He is an important piece of the scheme that they're trying to trying to us. So i think that good and then Dj jones resigned interior. Defensive lineman tim to To bolster that the gap there so i thought overall like it wasn't like a super super flashy free agency so far but i i like the niners of done think they a add strength to strength by making those offensive line moves in in To me they got better in free agency in even though they didn't like do a ton of different stuff. Did you like the trump william signing kevin. Yeah loved it. You had to do it. You had to do it He was reach agency. He had a no tag provisions Everything if you wanna see we've seen this so many times if you wanna see a position that we don't talk enough about wait till you see a team lose a tackle trent williams and and and see what that does to the offense so totally in favor of it. I'm good with the money that they spent because they had to do it. I also think that this is all i if it ends up going this way it. There's a real chance they cut jimmy garoppolo or trade him away and then have either a rookie quarterback step in a deal. Yeah i think that's entirely possible. They cut garoppolo. They can save twenty three of the twenty six million dollars. They owe him and if they could move for either. Whether it's sam darnold maybe even. I don't know what's that growl. You don't think it's gonna happen. Because i said i'm just saying it would take a lot for them to be set a quarterback. I don't think it's i don't. I don't think the niners would roll the dice with jones next year. I darnell is a possibility. But i don't think i don't think a a not top. Five rookie quarterback would be. I think the darnold is better than jimmy. J. do you think i'm crazy I don't think you're crazy. I haven't seen a lot of evidence for but i certainly like diner. Signing was on Russillo last night and he was talking about she was talking about how The guys who were at donald pro day were just blown away at how talented he was. And that's still the prevailing thought in the league. And i talked to guys. I talked about that too just about how much promised tim. Donald still has been really crappy situation And i think that you know. There's a reason that the hypothetical is what would happen. If patrick mahomes was on the jets and coach by by adam gates Because it would have been really ugly. And i think you need. You need a sam darnold in a kyle. Shanahan offense to sort of figure it out I just wouldn't cleared a ton of capital into trying to acquire a sam darnold and then finding out just because again there's not a huge paper trail at the. Nfl is just too staticky. Coming back whenever i think of the forty niners. Here's the list of quarterbacks and most passing yards ever for their first sixteen starts so not like in one season but the i sixteen starts the made for most everest. Patrick mahomes number two. He's nick mullins who they just andrew luck fours kurt warner. Wow that's the mount rushmore of most passing yards. The first four starts. And so i kind of look at his bones. Basically did that while jimmy was injured and like if that is possible. Wise jimmy getting twenty six million dollars. And i kind of feel like if sam darnold's making five million dollars this year and even raise would still go to twenty next year. I think the darnold ceilings higher than jimmy g. and i think that he's better than they will do that. Why can't sleep. Donald do that and more i think. That's why. are you advocating. Are you advocating for nick. Mullins to be be one. What i'm saying is he's better than andrew luck. He's a generation prospect. That's how it should have gone down my question. No it's with all these hypotheticals is is a guy like darnell gonna come in and immediately like function efficiently in shanahan system. That's fair as it. Took matt ryan a sees a full season before he became the mvp guy that he was. You know it with shannahan. The second season shanahan. So that's sort of something. I have to factor into like the math of everything. Is the san francisco. See themselves bringing in a new quarterback immediately hitting the ground running or did they find again like i said before. I think they see them. See see themselves as superbowl contenders this year so I don't know if they're willing to bet on that. I i think i kind of agree kevin here like it would be a big gamble to give the keys offense to someone that hasn't been in it. Okay that's fair. i mean i do. I want to see it happen. I i wanna see darnold go the forty niners but not convinced that they do it quite yet. This episode is brought to you by fan duel. Sportsbook march mania is here. You could choose to be a bench warmer and watch from the sidelines or you could get in the game and try your hand at fan duel. Sportsbook shoot your shot on money. Lines point spreads parlays more. 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Milano resigned daryl williams right tackle guard john feliciano like shoring up their offensive line just again not railroad investing in railroads of free agency. But i'll get a removal alligator. Will but i think overall you know adding emmanuel sanders you know. He's not like a number one type guy good veteran presence there So i think yeah overall what they've done as good and then the chiefs getting joe tuni and then kyle along you know kinda shore up what they've got going on free agency. I think we saw it. But then he also have to kind of factor in the fact. They cut both of their tackles. So i don't know if that's just lateral movement for them So i would say they kind of like fall there like honorable mention but i do like i like the the suny signing or through tony and kyle wong. That's very intriguing. If you get back to what. He was playing before he retired. That could be huge for them. I just wanna say in. Pacific appears to be the biggest railroad company in america and their stock is about about double what it was in twenty seventeen two thousand eighteen so i think it is. Wow there we go if you if you've got in early i don't know if you wanna get in right now. I don't buy what. I learned about railroad investing from monopoly. And just that was always like my mom always make sure to get the railroads at replayed shows wanted all for those like an easy trade to maybe. She's like the seahawks just her some mid round picks just for the railroads. I well this pot is getting off the rail. So oh did you want any any other losers here. I got a couple of losers i want to talk about some losers for sure go What are the lions doing. My question in general. Or what would you say you're doing here. So i think i kind of included the fact that they lost matt saturday know. This isn't really count as free agency. But like they. I took in my mind. They did a huge downgraded quarterback I don't think they're one jabali williams signing away from being a contender. So i don't really understand that verses dislike picking up a guy in in rookie free agency The tyrel williams signing felt a little rich like just bring back marvin jones. Maybe he just didn't want to go back to detroit but You know whatever. And then josh hill do what i did like the romeo kwara one. I think that was a solid deal. So that one. I'm not picking. Nits with our pooh-poohing. But i think overall like what the lions are looked. Terrible and nothing. They've done has changed my opinion of that so I would say they were one of the losers just of this general week so i just want put out. Lions are actually one of the least successful hunters and the entire kingdom. They only like get like a fifteen percent of their hunts. and i think it's extremely relevant about the detroit. Lions just throwing that out there. Listen lions are kind of blowing it up a little bit jerry doffing because he starting it it probably obscured the fact that they're doing total tear down because they actually have have a plan plan and huge quotation marks a quarterback they made a nine minute tribute video to matt stafford which is a little long. That's long it's a long tribute video I listen they got smart people. They're like their staff in general Bohm's who came from l. A. as gm's smart dude So i think there's there's a plan there i just kind of think like with the jaguars here like they're just a you know they're going to spend a little bit kind of establish a culture or whatever but this is a long game here. We'll just as you're bringing football guys former players in the coaching staff from the top down. It just seems like we're gonna be football smash mouth i mean time in about analytics is just about like toughness is at the core. At least they have an idea. I got to like that. When you're establishing a culture i kinda like actually establishing a instead of just flailing and making weird signing. So i am. I'm a. I'm okay with it. It's good to have a plan. I think we've this is. this is a take. I think that we've now We now underway toughness in football. I clean. I think you're right about that i i. It is at the end of the day and extremely physical sport that relies on a lot of and again this. This word is is loaded here But it's i do think you do need some grit here I say this as someone who writes about analytics all the time Grit and toughness important. I think you're right honestly. i like it. Especially the the rarest thing with football is long term planning and if you're gonna actually get the chance to build a culture in a long term you want have an identity. And that's what i think is actually. It's me the most. Disappointing thing about the raiders. Did because gruden when he's handed attend your deal for one hundred million dollars. Is you get no one else gets is. What's your long term vision without worrying about your short term job security. Any kind of hasn't really built an identity for that raiders team. He just threw. He'd be paid a bunch of premium prices to fill holes on the roster and they'd those solution that even fix the problems. Those holes are still holding the roster and they still have no identity so as much as like the twitter clips of dan campbell on going around lines press conference and he's like we're gonna bite kneecaps phrasing. It's not the best. It wasn't like the best way to put it. But i do appreciate that attitude and honestly the players like that it is important and so you know. Maybe there's a better way to like handle the media. But i do think that it doesn't really matter. We'll see if they can actually build a team around that though there's difference between saying it and then building team intelligently around that idea you can't as as the the old shepperton goes you can't build the entire plane out of grit but if you're gonna if you're gonna eat eat crap in your first year and you know you're going to go five and eleven you might as well try to establish some sort of some sort of culture for at least the young guys have grits kevin. You're from the south so you know. Grits vinnie where they're talking about instant grits versus like real grits which take like twenty twenty five minutes to make like soak and then make a barn on grit in real. Life is kinda similar. You can't just get instant grit. It does take years for team to like build grit and like you have to go through like cliche alert trials and tribulations and adversity and then you get there but i think. Do you think that people can learn grit. And can you have a little bit of grit or are you. Born with grit. And you're one hundred percent grady. One hundred percent. No no question. I think you know informed me about grit is like the old ravens defense. Right guys like read like ed reed to me like i i would sign ed reed great and of career kind of bouncing around situation. I want ed reed in my locker room at all times to establish a culture like that. And that's great guy to me. And i feel like ed reed was born with grit and had it full bore. Never like a third. When ed was thirteen. He was not like. I'm gonna work on my grip this summer. I mean think tough times tough times. Don't last but tough people do. I think that's fair. That gets really i. So the seahawks. We used to be very integrate like it was like a huge part of their program. Angela duckworth they brought an annual duckworth to speak. She wrote a book on grit. And i believe you know it researching kind of like how they look at it and everything. I believe that duckworth even wrote this like it's all it's timely because it's almost like being inoculated they even use the vir- like the term a knock. It's something that you have to to me. Is like grit comes from having experience learning to get through that experience and make like it's not. It's not like working hard. There's a difference between working hard and having grit you have to have. This is like the seahawks just for one example. It's like they've you know sort of looked for guys that have had to get through difficult situations in their life whether that means they're living situation having gone through tragedy tragedy in their life. Things like that these guys have been able to. They've been inoculated by these tough times. Essentially i think it's fascinating i don't know one hundred percent you know it really works. I think it's like kevin says not everything but it is one of those things where like when times are being when times are going poorly for you or on your team or whatever if like really something really hard you know Having that experience of getting through a really hard situation and coming out you know better for in the end. I think that's like what a lot of teams are looking for these guys that are just going to endure and not have little things like kind of pushed them. Of course so i don't know i think it's fascinating but again like like kevin said it's not everything you can't just build a team that's gritty and they're automatically going to be good. Are you saying that. It's going to trade russell. Wilson for dan campbell. Point though like there's a generational thing here too right. Like i'm i'm twenty six. You guys are in your thirties. And even just in that little gap there is like a question of and i think this hangs over a lot of the player. Empowerment thing of the flip side to like a lot of these trade requests in nba nfl players. Wanting out of situations is also about. Is this about controlling your destiny. And i think that some older people do look at this as are you just not willing to sit through the tough times and you just move onto the next thing when you face a little versity and i do think a lot of older people look down on that and i think that it's not the whole situation but there's certainly a nugget of truth and then think that there's like an interesting generational rift. That is a part of the broader culture and that it just extends the sports like it does everything else. I don't know man. I i think value grit and toughness. And all that stuff. But i still think that like russell wilson should have a say in how team not binary not an either or thing like i can still just be like man. The jackie serbis an idiot. But i also thomas. Good jack jack. Easterby is trying to preach toughness. I think he's trying to preach jack easterby. Would you like stand up routine gun. Jackie had you roll it on those jack. Easterby videos are not good. The most annoying part of that the whole thing than just the entire thing was that he was like do to catch some waves. Which is everyone go surfing in the morning. Don't go surfing at like eight o'clock at night. Have you gone surf. It's they've been trying to get expensive also used to get up at like four in the morning. It's cold anyway. Maybe although surfing on that alligator life can take me wake boarding or something. Okay all right. I think that's all we got. Thank you thank you kevin for coming on all those alligator people keeping everyone safe. Thank you the seahawks for hiring kevin is gm and they give him for listening. This is the big board on the nfl show and we will see you guys next friday.

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Giants vs Patriots Thursday Night Recap

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Giants vs Patriots Thursday Night Recap

"Takeaway for this patriots defense there's one blocks out of the year the second down and seven passes high in the air and passed Simon is back there to grab it out of the year Gilmore is number three from defense and special teams on the night salting away a thirty five fourteen win over the giants score that is kind of misleading it was closer and also a bigger last week from the Vikings game and and then yeah you have a rookie quarterback going into foxborough where check has never lost at home with facing the Patriots Vanoy Dies Kyle Van Noy scoring the Patriots second touchdown alot out than we expected and it was a weird game in many ways the Patriots defense committing or getting four takeaways off of the giants Brady Takes Browser Hagler. He's got it for the touchdowns a scoring fourteen points and really you know this game went into halftime pretty close one more game going into the fourth quarter and yet the Patriot for Daniel Jones Jones for Hillary third-down ball comes out lacoste back in there for New England hand off to both in for the touchdown Sony Michelle checks in take it to him good protection and this one is getting the victim intercepted by Toronto they put out a pod today working hard they are and they're having fun criss crossing the city but Yeah thirty thirty five fourteen my pre-game tweet I said thirty four thirteen it's who remained undefeated still look like the creamy they have see the giants they are who we thought they were. Daniel Jones a rookie quarterback making his first start in primetime didn't have a good game he did You know Lonzo Carla Good Jacker I made a couple of good players a couple of boneheaded plays just sloppy penalties again which is carrying from last right now they're not out and about at probably not what time would it be there we're doing this around like an eight hour time difference. I don't really know they've been busy with doing shoes. I've been seen all their stuff on social media quarterback so I kind of knew what this was getting into but from the start it didn't it didn't feel like this game is not going to be the Patriots going on the field and the giants looking nabbed aw over Jonathan Jones and suddenly giants are back in this and then almost on the very next drive marcus golden shows up and attacks the Patriots left side in Ingram Sterling separate who is Daniel Jones supposed to throw to get the ball to against a defense that is taking the ball away from everybody James Winston Kirk everybody bill belichick played how we expected it started out I'd but I think the result is what we expected yeah it was exactly what I expected I tweeted I mean I said that variously you have a big game it was Golden Day with the biggest game although Slayton did have targets as we're talking about off before we started defense I said they didn't get it the giants move in the balls well but punt it right back right but when the giants punt the ball back in their own zone big-play from the Patriots Special Teams Fancy now during the ATM recap because the Heroes Over in London having a great time and I believe today also is marks tussles birthday birthday mark happy birthday mark you are they're probably sleeping four turnovers again and the the pump return so that's pretty much five turnovers and that's how that's how it got started but then pretty much the Patriots score again receives the pump blocked touchdown runs it into the end zone and you know if you're somebody who owns the Patriots and fantasy this is what you want the Defense Special Teams Ah Daniel Jones who struggled mostly in this game throwing tight window passes as he has wants to do has been doing it at a great higher than any other quarterback in the league blocked blocked Punt Chase Winna Vich of people the best arguably the best player Patriot player from Michigan on the field tonight not not Tom Brady Chase one of each Brian Izzo was protecting Marshall newhouse fill in on the left strips axe Tom Brady you don't see that very often and mark golden takes it yeah a couple of points in distance and then all of a sudden like you mentioned the two straight scores is fourteen fourteen and now like okay we have a ball game this is not what I expected whatsoever I thought they were going to be out of this game by the way Jeremy Doing the eighteenth oh that's right we have to introduce our should injuries ourselves their voices to here Yeah Eddie Spaghetti here crossing over that they've played against and you know we didn't start well for the Patriots Tom Brady move the ball up and down the field but they went for fourth on the on early Dr Maybe a sloppy game that we are so it's going to happen a lot of weird stuff did happen that's right it started out everybody was talking about the giants coming into the game you don't have saquon you don't have Goldman says attempted tour Gilmore he had an insane amount passes there with like less than a yard a room and I think he only completed the the touchdown you mentioned the tate in one of their past into Brady you're stopping the run and they're like Josh Gordon is all banged up he's not he's not playing so you had the chance to strike and they were in we had a td run didn't throw a touchdown through a pick and also fumbled it was a very odd game from him he was short a lot of weapons today he came in without re finally breaks when open on to golden tate a sixty four yard touchdown pass the Patriots are fourteen nothing we think that the giants are lost in this game breaks it out to Golden Tate burkhead without Philip Dorsett and then pretty much halfway through the Game Josh Gordon goes out with a knee injury sufferers on the return of Marcus Golden into the end zone twenty nineteen or they like a replica of the two thousand Baltimore Ravens like in my head I was going to say that I was going to tweet that out and get eaten alive on on twitter and locally did not do that because better since the second half of the Tampa Bay buccaneers game they obviously came back and win when my game and I'm thinking to myself like Oh man like only of Saco wants buying and only of everything opinion is probably the best cover corner of not at a defensive MVP Stefan Gilmore pick in this game and also five passes the fence yet I mean he's he's insane he's I mean I'm shocked at Jones a missed field goal and then they went on another nine play drive turnover on downs because they don't trust Mike Nugent as they should not trust Mike nugent at this point and this was game because craft says something on NFL network about how you know Gronk hasn't signed his retirement papers yet and Rob Gronkowski showed up on the Fox pregame show they asked him about whether he was thinking about coming out of her in Gronk back in I know he looked like he was having a great time with stray hand and the guys on the Fox halftime set but the the Patriots really they lost a lot of guys today and one score game into the fourth quarter Daniel Jones had the ball down seven points and if he had somebody like saquon like Sterling Shepard maybe they couldn't move just he needed and so by the end of the Game Brady's playing with a mix of James White and Sony Michelle settlement but then you're also playing with Jacoby Myers Gunnar oast source ah and Brady I mean they moved the ball after the half they right out of the half they went on a sixteen play drive overtook over nine minutes and then there was only within a couple of minutes and Brady will upgrade and whatever and it got to the point where Brady wasn't making plays the giants were making plays I know defensively and I'm like is this is the Patriots a hard look like that wall was spent harmon out of bounds do the twenty scorn it'll be over by the end of the first quarter it was like a really wonky star the wind and lake couple of guys are hurting the patient Scott obviously John's a lot of injuries themselves and it's like okay this arm and he said only when I really feel it but I'm keeping the door open when you see a game like this where a lot of the weapons go out you cut Ben Watson this week maybe you think about trying to golden gets an early part of the game and now I'm thinking to myself like okay this defense giant Stevens actually came to play there they showed up the Stevens has been much guys like that saquon he was love talking talking lovingly about saquon early in the week saying you know there's there's really nothing wrong with him as a running back and you know they're glad that he cody latimer down or dairy slayton down you really need somebody like saquon somebody to carry the ball touch the ball twenty five times it was a shame that he couldn't get back from the ankle injury by the time this game kicked off but again they had the ball with eight minutes just over eight minutes to go in the fourth quarter Jones gets blitzed from on Harman dumps it down to Hillerman and you know the play of the game that you heard at the beginning of this podcast strip sacked by Jamie Collins who's having a great year and they're not playing and with a defense like the Patriots have where there's no shining star but everybody contributes for secondary can shut teams down can shut it's an eventually scored on Tom Brady. CD Ron which is what you get QB sneak from Tom Brady this was the first game interestingly enough that Tom Brady lying and only give them a some kind of safety I in my head I'm like okay well you can cancel out either sleep Golden Tate because Stefan Gilmore the army ended up with a pretty good game overall. Tom Brady not to go to the end of the game but he yeah I mean right after the markets golden fumble return bell check complete over ten yards so early on to with the divas plane that gray and they're doing these like Ding Dong little screens with Jones taking shots down field and I'm like you're you're you're the Patriots over like it was like five games or whatever it was including the playoffs so like you know it's a really really bad game from someone who felt like you had to do more and he wasn't running the ball he wasn't scrambling reported thrown his direction so confident Jones I mean you see it on a lot of the way too confident for a rookie but you can see that he wanted he wants to take chances and that was evident in a lot of the uh-huh slow ski I don't really know how to pronounce his name from Bemidji State Yeah who played like about fifty snaps and and Ryan is tight end I mean they were talking earlier in the working like it's just not GonNa work this guy it was Gimme back when like Kevin Gilbride was almonds according to and they would do like the third and nine Eli draw plays and just like stop pounding this is not gonNa work the Patriots being really really good like there's a really good defense they're really good team events their coach well like the giants office lines not the giants were out were without their best offensive weapons literally that's all you have a larger penny and they're also use him short anyway over Hilaman I mean that shows you the difference of saquon Barkley versus whoever because saving little basset outside he will make a play he's well I mean you both know that you know they're not helmet are penny are not going to make the plays that sake on what he or even to an extent having winged almond is a little bit more of an upgrade mismatch diamorphine have saquon Barkley in can I the the they're running the ball with hillman up the gut so many times in a row and it's like I wanted to scream that it's not on safety of lying because like I said before Stefan Gilmore in the second half had a pig on a drive the giants were moving the ball it was a total of mental killer and yeah if he had to save money if you had Evan Ingram who's Lynn we'll Hernandez is becoming a pretty good left guard and obviously it's a much better unit that being said the last week vikings the vikings had their way with them so there they are the Patriots finished the game with thirty nine minutes of time of possession I mean even gassed I mean the Patriots offense move the ball well but they also didn't finish sure but the they had the easy touchdowns bolden Brady had two rushing touchdowns himself I feel a lot of passes in the second half of the game I'm not sure I'm GonNa you probably have the stats over those two guys who played today so that yeah that was that really is a shame that saquon didn't get to play bell check beltway has these guys that he really enjoys read had no chance afterward you know the defenses gas and then you just keep going down and by the time that the the final defense touchdown came John's can move the ball and then the patriots come right offensive plays the Patriots adverse events I tell you that the Patriots ended the game this is kind of like how the colts beat the chiefs except I would call Daniel Jones Patrick mahomes shares point the best receiver and they're running back who may be the best friend and back in the league and you're throwing a rookie quarterback into foxborough again like reiterating it's it's just not a recipe Adrian Defense Through six games have a sixteen turnovers sixteen takeaways fourteen interceptions no other team in the League has more than seven so that equine that force that was forcing Gallon Jones to make these tight window throws and three interceptions in this game Eli had three interceptions in I think his career verse it's double they have a plus one forty two point differential they get the jets next week on Monday night football so we think that maybe they can go into is a linebacker in the defensive backfield mess it's just it's a it's a really tough here and they say they somehow figure out how to stop or slow down the pages for a bit but once you got the like the back down to make it a three score game and over it's exactly what it felt like in the second half is it was the giants defense was just gas they're doing everything they possibly could with all bunch of backups missing can have I felt there were so many receptions by the Patriots players they were they were just like no guys near them like no no one was being covered like these backup slack is coming in tight ends long and you're not moving the ball because then when the offenses trying to score points it's just like around the middle around the middle and then some kind of like weak third down little with a by somewhere in there you know people are you know they were talking about earlier before the game can we compare this defense to the bears the week eight at seven Oh but then the patriots face a pretty pretty gauntlet Browns Ravens Eagles Cowboys Texans chiefs you ball games where the Patriots and foxborough again. I don't know what we should've expected with the giants coming in here the Patriots Defense and maybe this is a good transition to what we expect from both of these teams going forward the of eighty five or the Ravens of two thousand we're looking at the the early season competition and by the end of this game there competition has a record of seven and twenty two by my count you it's a recipe for disaster you know you're you're getting into this game but that's why it stinks so much they were one score when they were tied at one point they were obviously one score way going into the fourth quarter like they actually could have won this game and it just it's a classic pagers again then there's like bleeding you out slowly into you know what's going to happen they're going to just control the clock eventually those are on the field and score and picked up by Kyle van Noy after a scrum runs it in and from there they really didn't have a chance yeah the the offensive line a lot of people are saying on social media I was reading to this offense lines alive make to go back to the recapping here in the beginning of the game when they stopped them there was like a third down fourth down stop and then you know like guys who no one across the country knows their names in there just catching balls there's no defender within seven yards in a circle of them and I'm like well that's going to happen when you're on the field fast and I think that suits them well going into these games against also young quarterbacks like Sam darnold Baker Mayfield Lamar Jackson Carson and Overs tell a different story I think that the fact that they are blowing teams that they should blow out I mean it doesn't look pretty but at the end of the day they won by three scores when they weren't playing you know how are you supposed to judge them when they're beating up Luke Falk and Ryan Fitzpatrick Annual Jones on the road at home on a short week I I don't know I think I think the APU history to Shawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes are all young quarterbacks schemed going against the defense scheme by Bill Belichick who should probably you know ruin their days and Jalapeno was injured and the rights online was a mess and obviously now with the trade trading way Vernon getting in the Kevin Zeiler and then having remers player I tackle asked behind on his scrimmage to a running back and it's not going anywhere and like they were not taking shots like I said before Jones incomplete passes that were longer than ten yards a few questions about well I I'll I'll go with their schedule I know you said like you call it a gauntlet with Browns Ravens Eagles cowboys question is can they go undefeated because people want crown this team as a all-time great defense and the offense is not picking it up they have a lot of injuries on the offensive out of the ball I'm not sure if the offensive line situation is as solid as they prefer the tight end situation the same way the running game today was not so Michelle's best really only competing with the chiefs for the top seed see maybe the bills but you don't expect the bills to you know bright anymore than a wildcard threat there you know the didn't really establish the run you know that's what that's what you WanNa see out of the Patriots Y- you're expecting great things you're expecting maybe undefeated whatever but I think they're a good squad I think goes where the EAGLES HOUSTON I don't trust Houston it ever to ever beat the Patriots in like in the history of mankind that'll never John's but during the game I wasn't like Oh man he's going to pick us apart I lost that feeling about time right that he's going to action I shouldn't say he'll he could win Aaron I'd want it to just provide everyone but yeah it's a lot better than it was last year last year your own was we'll hernandez his rookie year and solar and him didn't have the chemistry on the left side of the line you know kind of shaking his head rubbing his eyes on the sideline the Patriots still had four minutes left in the half and they embark on probably I mean obviously they're probably drive of the game to greater eleven play drive took four minutes crack a little bit and I expect the same from this patriots defense because it's one of the best even though you've seen in recent memory and that goes back to what you're saying about not having the safety blogging all towards come back down to earth they're not as good as we all they're going to be them between if you WANNA say they'll split between the NFC east teams are better NFC teams than Eagles in Dallas. I mean Dallas lately has looked you're playing the redskins you know or the giants at this point but don't put yourself I know I know I'm being very self deprecating but the but I still think they're gonna come out happened then the the the one game they want to see them versus the chiefs that'll be interesting game but I mean yeah it is it's a goal and in terms of you're not playing Luke Falk and not playing the dolphins got yards on the ground catch a bunch of passes so like they don't need Brady to be this amazing Superhero quarterback they have a great ground game they have a great defense and that's enough and he could be an elite gay manager and figure out how to beat these teams because they're just that much smarter that they're that much more well prepared than the thirty one other teams in this league because right now Tom Brady I mean he had statistically was okay game like thirty one to forty one three thirty four he did have the pick and then it looks good at the end one if you don't want to see Tom Brady this age the bad offensive line him scrambling around because then that's going to change everything about this team the one thing they need to do is to run the ball consistently school to come play you that's that's really what it is and it just so weird that this patriots team is they're just so they adapt to what they have to like to see uh-huh yeah thirty one completions threw for over three yards for the giants seven first downs forty promos forty minutes of time of possession I mean this is how you defense and that to me is like it's not just about his more because it evens elite or whatever is there is a better term than elite because they're by themselves right now and then you have you know you have four five running backs who could see me just come in and season or something close to it and so that's why it's going to be interesting because they really I mean I don't know how the NFL schedule God's did this they split into pretty much like you know Sam Houston Talk I can't see them losing more than two games of that they would lose to maybe one at worst well it's it's not it's not a problem at the Patriots lose one or two games I mean it'd be this it could be what is right now at forty two he's going to be limited physically because of his age and will end but that's okay there one you mentioned is like the islands in state for six straight weeks and then you're going right into the Auburn game if you're to compare it to Alabama yeah your schedules cupcakes and you they the school has the game they can they're only twenty they only converted twenty percent of their third down plays which is your again that's a really bad thing to do in foxborough verse a team I think it's amazing we're calling future hall of Famer Forty Two year old likely all pro Tom Brady a game may not not just a game he is the elite game he no matter how good the evens might be playing as of late so yeah I mean their schedule upcoming Arizona's going to be tougher than people realize offense could be at its peak you only got a half of that against the buck and that was not even their best half no totally I mean you could see for my mood I'm not a I'm not here crying about games but I don't fear him like I maybe used to or someone like Pat Mahomes who's GonNa close his eyes and slowing the ball sixty yards like Tommy will not do that anymore is I think I love the idea of having a mobile quarterback running around with the default like the there's not a lockdown defense and James betcha revenge game exactly yeah and then Detroit into at least get get these running backs to the cash out of the backfield you you can't do that if you have a Marshall newhouse playing left tackle and eating the tight end accidents chiefs obviously then it gets really easy a singular commercial just the bars keep going up but in reality how many games are those things are lose because I'm working on my Cleveland Master going to be Cleveland who knows about that game like a lot of these are coin flip Chicago should read them Green Bay should be than Philadelphia should read them then you have Miami and in Washington back-to-back hopefully those are wins and then right now we're giants fans collectively just like you're not really seeing the what it's supposed to be so that's why it's okay but it's still frustrating to lose games in the manner they did some glaring negatives they'll like Dale Jones the best thing about him so far this year can comparisons ally was his ability to convert on third down this this like this so that I didn't love I mean the sloppiness discontinued I said before the Vikings game and like in downs problem with fumbling snaps to and now game when you have you know three or four guys fighting Thanos and that's what the giants team is right now right now when Ingram was back in Sagaing comes back in chapter comes back in contend this season so like you know it's not gonNA look great wins and loss wise but right now the giants are like to use a analogy that with the avengers and the end yeah the giants they're not really playing for the postseason Shurmur is Kinda not he's not really coaching for his job necessarily so now moving the ball but the fact that Lorenzo Carter got to Brady on occasion Marcus golden there's a lot to work with their jackrabbit gotTa Pick Brady Kinda through to them Donovan Purgatory Right now in a win tonight Thursday night would have really turned the season around turn the feelings around sure no it's sorely like numbers and stats he I think he knows he's calling the right place he knows to do him ballot check together going to have to do to win game that's why isn't it to be a superhero he like tonight where you're sloppy and if you don't take penalties like what golden did out of bounds and you don't throw the ball into tight windows and three turnovers don't fumble ball lost her I I went in pretty indifferent going okay we'll just let's just take some pases from this game there were some positives for the best team that NFL there's don't block just blocked punts just block on punts and then you know this game could have been different that is very frustrating I rather almost just get smoked and was forty five thing and not even be involved I think the I think this is a really encouraging performance from the giants you saw the defense step up on occasion they couldn't stop the Patriots in the Second Half Ah game manager he's he's the he's the he's the branch manager he's he's as good as a constant and I said I'm not shocked at there's going to be I mean he look he just he amick in the passing game 'cause Jones forcing if it was the wind or just because that was the only thing the Patriots were giving him on defense was to just dump the ball if you're running back and let them make a play which is you had a couple of scrambles but none that

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins run away with 22-12 victory over Patriots

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins run away with 22-12 victory over Patriots

"Where the miami dolphins are completely depleted on the offensive side of the ball. It was one if by sea and to buy land as the miami dolphins and third the day averaging three point sixty paresh gassing the doing the patriots for six yards a carry two hundred and fifty yards on the ground on sunday. Josh when we look newark crystal ball on thursday for pre show man. I don't think this is what we were expecting. We were and i. I can't wait to dive into it. I mean i'm looking here. Forty two total carries about the entire offense two hundred and fifty yard rushing touchdowns. I mean we did not see this coming but They found a way to do it. And you know we all what we wanted. The dolphins are in the thick of things. They're not in five two games away from making the postseason and we knocked new england patriots. Out of the postseason. We'll what a wonderful victory monday it is. I'm feeling as good as i felt in a long long time at the dolphin fan first time the patriots will not be in the playoffs since the year. Two thousand eight. And i mean josh. So cliche ed you know i can certainly pick up on the different genera coaches sayings but it was really a tale to half Here for the dolphins they entered the halftime trailing six to a tunnel completed a pretty nice fourth and eight to patrick laird to set up adjacent sanders. Field goal But he had his second in as many weeks which was Legitimate concern because the dolphins were down six nothing at halftime. But it seemed like they were out the new england patriots in every aspect of the game. It's did and i know we'll talk about other. Maybe we'll talk about it right now but you know to a time when the interception at the time of interception at the goal line i mean that was one of those plays where i think we all saw them kind of break goping in i think to adjust realize it was a little too late forced a bad throw while getting hit turn the ball ethical on that cannot happen but you know up until that point. The dolphins were having their way they were moving the ball efficiently down field But again i mean we sit here and we praise to. I mean me more than others to be completely honest but that was a terrible. Throw in you know. It was a terrible decision at one. That could have caused the dolphins but it didn't and again. It's just a tale to two halves and it makes you wonder why they come out so sluggish. It's almost like the first after And then in that second half you know. They're doing what they do they. They're coaching these guys up. They're coming out with adjustments as we see week after week it's offense defense special teams their own out there in the second half and they're putting these ball games away and again you mentioned it it. It's gonna be so awesome to sit here and watch january play football without having to see bill bell check new england patriots. I mean we waited for this a long time Hat tip to them for everything they've accomplished but it is going to be so nice to not have to watch them in the postseason shutout to travis. Wingfield works for the miami dolphins. He shared a quote. That kyle van noy gave to over. Breer offer them on monday morning quarterback and we're kind of played a game of telephone here but but it's written down so i'm not going to mess anything too much. I mean i'm going to hope. Calvin oi said i think That drive at the end of the game shows. We can win every single wave and said some games. We've been rundown other games. We run through one through the air and some games. Were doing both. But this game was back and forth smash mouth football who's gonna break and they ended up breaking before we did. We knew we weren't going to break. And they just broke. And that really sums up that rushing attack at and to kinda bring it back to that first. Half there josh. i mean. The dolphins were facing the dolphins defense. In a sense you think about suffice gilmore. Who ended up leaving with a pretty rough looking leg injury But in the first half. They're the dolphins were forced to be perfect right. They weren't getting any sort of big breaks. I mean they were running the ball but it was four five. Maybe even six hundred carey and the patriots were just waiting for a mistake right and they got the drive. I mean it was marching team down the field on ninety five yard drive before the interception happened. It's just you have to take so many opportunities eventually mistakes and a happened. There's another drive. That half where where i ended up being like third and twenty four before the dolphins got out the field. I mean that. That's what the dolphins have found. Success in offensively. This year is just making teams have to march all the way down the field and you have to complete execute fifteen strong players. That's fifteen chances. We have to force a turnover and we saw that there on that drive from the patriots where they had interception early and i got to save that entire first half. I was sitting there panicking. Because i thought i would be able to watch any sort of football suffer a week just because it seemed like everything was going to patriots way the penalties. I'm not going to sit here and say the penalty. Decide the game but it was seventy two every single penalty. That seem like it was going against the dolphins are. They couldn't find the end. They're leaving points on the board via the interception and the field goal and it was just a very very frustrating. Half an hour football. Wasn't i think this might be a thing that you know. Maybe it's just us as fans go into these things you know. You have unreal expectations. Now we all. If you take a step back we all realize this is a a rivalry. These are going to be those down to the wire gritty games. And you know it. Was that the dolphins you mentioned it. S cliches Bend don't break. That's exactly what this fence did. And at times you know sony. Michelle looked like he was bus. Awesome big runs and it was going to be that same story that we saw earlier in the year but the doll was just buckle down force them to settle for feels for the entire day. And you know that was the difference here. But i just can't continue to praise just how differently. This team looks after they go into the half adjustments and You mentioned that colvin waco. That's just an again a testament whether it's the offense defense special teams. Whoever it is it's called upon whether it's a player whether it's a unit you know their staff and they're doing together and i think that's just again what we have not seen from dolphins team. It's so many years it's just. They're playing complementary football and one of these units you know has so party the other ones picking them up. This was an ugly game. You know this wasn't as pretty as many of us believe to an out there. One hundred forty five yards. You know he had that one interception but he also had two rushing touchdowns to no. He was a quarterback to snap that. Bill checks streak that you know. We kept hearing the nine consecutive rookie. So you know. His numbers are not the greatest but he went out there and he executed offense pretty damn good and again it was enough. I mean i. I just cannot wait to dive into the coaching tape. And and that's again. What sucks about this. We're sitting here. We're gonna break down a little bit. The offense defense until we get out there and we really see you know how this offensive line look with michael deeper in the lineup. I mean again. It's just next man. Up in there executing all three phases. The miami dolphins offense certainly held together with a paper clips and bubblegum today. But i mean the facts that the fact that you can do that and still be new. England certainly speaks volumes. And we shame on us josh because coming to this game when we did our three keys Capri to do it. Is it going to be gander washington. We did not talk much about saban. I mean i remember reading that. He was wearing red. No contact jersey up until thursday. Even i might have only been wednesday thirty days. And i just kind of put them in the back of my head is someone who i didn't think was going to have that much of an opportunity to play but i mean what a performance twenty three carries for one hundred and twenty two yards. I mean you do see that. He is an undrafted rookie. At i mean. I saw people getting frustrated on twitter There was one pass block where he actively mode over and two hundred of being sacked a couple receptions he had where he kinda just fell over. Excuse me i mean. He only caught one of his Three targets but i remember it was to the outside he. It was like a second intent and he ended up falling for he did get. You know six. Jared something like that but i mean it just kinda goes to show that they're still missing those guys that can turn those Consistently tara those big plays. I mean saying had a bad day by any means you know like i said five point three yards per carry. He had a long a thirty one. And this run game. Really set the tone but i mean you see that ceiling but you see that. There's still room for growth with this young team with these young players. Absolutely and i mean i think we all have to take a step back and realize that again. These are young players salvin akhmed. I think he's twenty one years old. So i mean again as a young guy. That's not even fully reached potential. His one hundred and twenty two rushing yards are the most in franchise history by an undrafted player in his rookie. Season eighth most by any dolphins rookie. So again you need to see more of this unit. I absolutely the dolphins are going to address the running back room. But i mean we saw it all. Come together this this week and you know it has to be a testament that offensive line. Those guys up front when kinley went out of the game. He's our you know. We love salman killing but it looks like michael jumped right in there and you saw him pulling saw making some plays and it didn't look like the offensive line missed a beat. So is a testament to those guys front. And then against thousand nok med. Making the most of his opportunity as you mentioned it and our preview pop has didn't even know if he was getting ready to go and married. I mean this is a guy that we continue to save. Podcast s after podcast after podcasts. You know give him more carries and you saw this week. Eighty six yards on twelve carries. Seven point two yards per carry and we said on previous show. If you bring mabry here in. He helped his team carry this. Get us into the post season on these last three games that fourth or fifth round. Pick whatever it ends up being. You know that that's worth it to me so We need to step up to continue to do this. It excites me because what happens when the the they come out of the gate you know first quarter and the run games work in the passing teams working. What happens when everything is coming together for. This offense know we might not see that this year we might see it next year but It it just gets you excited for the future of the miami dolphins because on a daylight on a day like this when they didn't know who's even going to be the running back you know they went out there and they're rushed for for two hundred forty yards against new england patriots eliminated from the playoffs. I mean what more could you possibly ask for map create he. He's been two weeks on the cova this there and it was. It was kind of impressive to see how operated in josh. You know you look at every play. I you post them on the internet as well Via twitter follow you at how you put it all out there for everyone so so i mean you are the robin hood. We all need. But what did you. What really started about redesigned play. Because i mean he kind of someone walking the aisles of grocery store where you know something on the left side that he really needed. Then there'd be a bag of chips on the right side he wanted. He was really to process though different all he wanted to run in. He didn't have to just kind of pick a hole in go. He seemed to really be dissecting. That defensive front. I mean. I don't know how i can even explain it better than you don't even need all twenty two or or to watch the tape. I mean that's perfectly you know with. The play was going right and he saw a little bit of daylight left. He was making plays and again. We all know how fast he is. We all kept hearing. He's the fastest player in the nfl. Last year mean wanted to see what you could do with the ball on his hands and we saw there were times when the holes were there and there were other times when he was you know using his pure speed to make players missing again. Myles gaskin salve akhmed and matt brady heading into the postseason. I mean we we could do a lot worse so I liked what we saw out brita. We continue to pound the table. Give him more touches I think we're gonna be here that even louder this week. After that performance we saw going into the game. It seemed like devante. Parker education grant all had a shot to play and and it seems like i think it was cameron wolfe. Espn if you're not found him at this point you're certainly missed. Now he does a great job For the worldwide leader over there and he said that if it was a game like that could decide. The fate of the miami. Dolphins determined the playoffs. I parker might have been able to play. I a couple of those guys. He didn't say specifics. Onset of parker potentially could play the dolphins side. Keep it safe and keep those. The is on the bench. And i mean bet says just more about tug of loa and this offense to do enough to plot that victory despite you know the the rookie hurdles. But let's take a quick break and we'll jump into the defensive senate ball on the other side support for this podcast comes from. Cdw technologies at cdw g. 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But i'm going to say no. I think that that jalen hurts. Performance was too much fun But i'm never going to be doubt this dolphins fan base. So we're not surprise me somehow in the last twenty. Thirty hours of that Voting that somehow to front. It's just kind of house. Fan base operates. It really is now talked about the offense. Let's jump into the defense because again this was just an overall good performance. We saw those big meaty guys up from. We saw christian wilkins making plays. We saw very davis zacks. Your those guys up front help and stop the run game. We saw saving howard forcing a fumble there again. Twenty games now with a turnover from this dolphins defense. What did you see. what did you like and you. What can you project from this team afford as we get into these last two must win games for the dolphins exhibiting howard is so special. I mean just kind of you. You instantly go to the fourth bubble which was an awesome play on the dolphins were down. I dined to seven. I believe at the time. But they forced the fumble. I think they really meant the score was caused by politics. I should have wrote down win. What the actual score was for that one But then there was the potential fumble return for a touchdown that was also exhibit howard and then there was a play early in the game. Where calvin almost got his big pause interception. You know who intercepts that ball. If calvin noise not they're saving howard. I just in so impress how this happens. All over the place all the time he's everywhere and we can't say enough. This guy deserves to be defensive player of the year just like we all think that bryan floors deserves me coach. You just every week he's even howard's going out there. Whichever receivers lining up across from is completely taken him out of the game and then he's making plays well. It's an interception whether like you said an amazing play by brandon. Jones almost stayed in bounds. I think christian. Wilkins touched the ball. Stupid rule but i think x. Took that one to the house and then know knocking at ball out. But you're right that I think. Calvin knowing definitely wants interception back i mean i think he would have loved to have that himself but I think examine howard might have even been better position. A wide receiver was on the tail. End of that. You know the thing that stood out to me. That was incredibly excited about There is a play where i think it was the first drive of the game. I mean i know christian. Wilkins said too big stops early But there's the patriots scrap. Try to screen pass on. I want to say was thirty nine and something and a hyper pizzas guy on the line. And then the way he just ran with the linemen and blew up. The screen is something. I haven't seen the miami dolphins do in such a long time Before the brian or for his era. I mean it was usually. They're going to catch the screen. They're going to get six seven and by by. Golly the dolphins are going to give up that their conversion so it's worth pointing that out in the first half. The dolphins really couldn't get to cam newton to too much. I know the rams last week got to ten times. I think he was sacked. Four times On the day but in that first half they. They really couldn't do that but they did. Enough to really keep the patriots honest right. They had to go down the field and once they were in the red zone they were forced to make plays and the dolphins defense just again showing that they had that talent especially in the secondary to keep passing attacks out of the end zone. Yeah and i mean. That's just the way. Brian floors defenses bilton again. It's just gets me so excited about the future. Because once they add in some insist all season bringing some more playmakers in the draft. I mean both sides football It's going to be very very fun to see. We gotta talk about the linebackers. Calvin roy baker all over the field and andrew van ginkel and i mean this guy is slowly getting better each and every week and It's it's just awesome. See the way these guys continuously get better. I will point out the one play. That really stands out in my mind. Dolphins at all learners up on on. Bobby came back deep. And i think you know it ended up. Turn into this huge play. Because it looks like bobby could just reacted sooner. Maybe the tackle short of the first down but that was the only play that really stands out in my mind. Besides some those sony. Michelle runs that you know. The dolphins really got beat because overall i mean they were out there. They were dominant up front. They were dominant in the secondary and they did enough to confuse the heck out of cam and we went into this game knowing if you could stop. The run force came to try to throw the football good things become and that's exactly what they did and You know it's. It's gonna be exciting that we go out there and tack marcus mariota or david carr wherever the quarterback. Is that big saturday. Night game against the las vegas raiders. That if the dolphins win you know then they go up to buffalo and we don't know what the bills are going be doing in that. Last game They could be starters and you know dolphins need these. Two wins to ultimately make the playoffs. Drone baker had a sack. Zak dealer had a sack and our boy emmanuel ogbah ahead aspect to seal the game Late josh you mentioned that linebacker group You gotta give them a credit for just doing enough right. Because i think that is is probably the unit and the defense still that they could probably use an upgrade right Though the whether you want to call it linebacker unit the outside linebackers whatever it may be. We know vanoy coming off at to defensive player of the week performance. Two weeks ago They really did enough against the running game. You see here. Sony michelle ten carries for seventy four yards. I knew in kind of got his for nine carries thirty eight yards The pats averaged five point three yards on the game. But i mean you look at the long for michelle would seventeen again. You know the thing that really stands out. What do you see guys like saving howard and seeing like brandon jones's whenever they're bringing a guy to get ground there punching at that ball bragging of free they're saying hey if you're going to again i i keep feeling burke record talking with the defense but if you're gonna come down to score a touchdown you're going to have to be absolutely perfect your to hold onto every single pass you're going to have to get to the down and then you're gonna have to give of course past the first down marker and you know cam newton. It's nice when you can get them into a third down because cam. Newton doesn't really threaten to too much with his arm i. He had ten incompletions on the day. Seventeen for twenty seven and you know an average seven point seven you know or the ball dp. I think he missed jakobi. Meyers deepen the end zone. Once i mean the defense just very clean job of keeping offenses honest overall. I want to run through a few notes here. I mean again. I think the defense deserves most of the credit for this performance today to certainly enough that running game awesome. That's something we haven't expected in such a long time josh. It's definitely worth bringing up. I mean salman kinley fitbit's a little. It's pretty frustrating injury for the dolphins team. That just can't seem to shake that bug this entire season. It isn't it it's good. They brought it up. Because i just saw. Barry jackson reported that there was no structural damage and lease need per dolphin source to be determined for sunday with the and flowers which i think he means saturday. But it'll be determined whether or not You know those guys will be ready. For saturday's match against the raiders. That's a huge loss. But again i think michael deeter stepped up big again to go back and jump into the coach's film but it looked like that offensive line. You know obviously two hundred forty yards on the ground looked much improved than you know what we come expect him to. Yeah i had to say. I was incredibly impressed with deers performance. I really thought Defensive items going to start to crumble a little bit with kindling out in there But i mean that's what happens. Have a solid running game. He keeps the defense honest or not really allowed to backfield Blend bowden another very strong performance. He caught six of the seven targets. He seemed like he was you know. Despite six of his seven touches being a the reset receiving brighty. It seemed like he was an extension of the running game having kind of going across the field for every snap. And you know. There's even a i i play where they did a little reverse with him going back and forth where he switched and swerve all the way down the field any only got ten yards. But this guy i love to see a nectar in saskatoon because it seemed like he was running all day long despite only having a love. You see here. Forty six yards. We just see him getting more involved every week in the offense i do have to note. We got here from smyth. Cut five or five targets for forty yards. Stepped up big and mike. He's absence and pro. Football focus. ryan smith was says durham. Smyth was the highest grade player on the team in their week. Fifteen victory over new england and in eighty eight point two overall which was a career high. And again it's five receptions for forty yards and his four first downs so a derm smy stepped up big and we didn't talk about that for special teams play which i mean every week. Was it last week. Where they had the same thing where they didn't report eligible and ended up for biting us in our butts. So not haack. I mean. He has a frigging armament. That was a heck of a play by movers. Your hell but it just sucks it was all for naught but again this team went went out there and they put it on the line and pay dividends against the new england patriots. You know it's it's frustrating. Because i i every play every specialty display i. I don't think there'd be any consequences. They report is eligible on every single punt just to get into that habit because for the second week in a row as you mentioned. That's the issue you guys not reporting eligible and that's really taking. The sale are the wind out of the sale that all special teams unit when they need that little jolt. That's really the the missing piece. I think it's also worth noting malcolm. Perry had a very cool run on third down where he kind of stepped in front of two and took the snap shimmied up the middle and grabbed two yards to convert to a i jazz overall. I mean this is all we can expect it. We're going into next week. We got the oakland raiders. And we just wanted this game to be worth something right. The dolphins is the second year of the rebuild. I've been we've been both saying. Take a little step back and enjoy this ride. Because the fact dolphins the second season underpriced for the first year with a rookie quarterback to have a winning record. I mean that in itself is such an accomplishment to you know even the page of the declares. I mean obviously the playoffs. And we're going to ask the playoffs but we gotta be pretty happy with everything that's happened far. We do. And i mean it's not really do exact paul so the fan base by just going based off twitter. But i mean we all see. There's just so much bickering and it's just wonder. When did we become you know This franchise that just expects all this stuff. I mean is going out there. He's he's winning games. he's playing very good football. And you just continue to hear the comparisons adjust in. Herbert in jalen hurts and you know maybe something. We just need to become accustomed to may. We need to realize now that you know. We have a potential superstar quarterback. He's going to be compared to those guys in his class in that trickles onto this team being apparently some of those nfl lee. And it's just awesome to see in a year like we continue to say appetizer order. Whatever word you want to use for like you said year to if you're sitting here looking at the playmakers upset because they don't have this wide receiver this running back this or that. They have the money. They had the draft picks next year. It is going to be something special being built here. Miami and You know oh just as a fan base again. Take a step back enjoy. Enjoy these last two weeks. And let's hope in january and we're getting ready to play one of the biggest games in franchise history because what brian flores is building and what this team's doing it again. It's it's special. No it's certainly one of the biggest games in the last twenty years. That's for sure. I mean that. Is you run. The team's different Greg rosenthal who works for nfl media. He said brian flores the chosen kind joking around there. i've always liked rosenthal input at by the chosen one. Just kind of the disciple. Who who who gets it done and it surely seems like. That's what the dolphins are turning into a what this wet i mean. Especially if the Dolphins make the playoffs at this pace. The steelers using a second game. I mean andy reid at fifteen and one is certainly accounted for the coach of year. But i think brian floors has to be up there. I think there been Two or three fifteen coaches who have not won it i mean brand florida's mandate he had some questionable. I do have to say questionable challenge calls. Yesterday he will over to on the day The first one. I thought he had a little bit of a shot at but then the reception late in the second half they were where he jakobi meyers kind of boxing. Which wasn't the case that that was about it. I mean that's the biggest. Gripe we have For brian floors after fifteen weeks was his one performance with a challenge by saudi dairy. So people tweeting about attorney game. And i was thinking to myself i i mean yes. That's probably been his biggest achilles heel but had you ever remember the time where it came back to bite us where we're like damn i really wish you know. He didn't have that challenge early on in the game. I feel like he uses the timeouts and challenge as wisely. And i don't know like you said. I mean we're sitting here. We're still waiting for zach thomas to get into the hall of fame. I mean we don't know. I can't sit here and say that it's the same type of voting but again this is all just kind of a popularity contest. So i don't know what's gonna happen bryant floors but i think you know entire my dolphins fan base believes. He's the guy and i bet if you ask some of the players around the us gosling these other teams. They would say the same thing. Because what brian flores again is doing in miami and just you know some of the things. He's done as the leader of this team throughout the year. Whether it's the coaching changes are just going out there. Speaking out on different things. I mean this guy embodies what. The miami dolphins isn't continued to see you know this is a family and i'm ready to run through wall prime flourish coach of the year. Exuding how it should be defensive player of the year. You're stuck onto you. Want to get that rookie of the year. Josh i think the last thing certainly worth noting here is the texans did it again. They fumbled away game at the last second against the colts. Obviously that might have hoped a playoff spot. Hey but on the flip side. I mean the the six overall pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft is looking very nice right now. Yeah you always hear. They're playing chess while they're playing checkers. But i i don't know at what point chris greer in them solve this the texans plummeting the way they did but to to have the draft The last two years. I mean it's frigging awesome and not many franchises can say they have that. And that's just a testament to what the dolphins are building here. I just we got two weeks. Left everyone out there enjoy it. It enjoy enjoy at the miami dolphins or nine and five. Were rolling the future is certainly looking very very bright. It's such it's such an important time it up enjoy it. I mean the football season. The three months really flies by the four-month really five by and whether the dolphins make playoffs or not the future is in their hands than twenty twenty and beyond and that's exciting to see. Dolphins big match against the raiders. Coming up on saturday. We have christmas on fridays. We're going to try to get something out on thursday. Give someone a little every little something to prepare for the weekend. But it's a wild week. It's been a wild year and thank you guys so much for joining. If you're liking us to be sure to smash subscribe button leaving review those help us out so much. And they're always great to hear. I'll like i said you gotta be following josh on twitter. He provides a lot of great great great great great information at h. o. u. t. z. House i met jim antle thirty one outposts in a little goofy little silly to to get a laugh at you'll income ninety four and ninety four ninety thirty one gun aside a quarter jar a swear drive or something pay. 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Pats Free Agency: So good Bedard is borderline giddy

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

44:48 min | 4 months ago

Pats Free Agency: So good Bedard is borderline giddy

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. Before we get started Greg. I have to apologize to people watching the video version of this podcast. Yes. It looks like I'm being called up to the heavens. There's an issue with my lighting. We'll figure it out. Let's get to suck us let's get to the content. Okay, so we did an emergency podcast on Monday night because everything was happening jonnu Smith, Jalen Mills, you know, what happened on Monday by now and since then a lot has happened. Let's start with this morning the news of Patrick Chung's retirement your thoughts Greg. Yes, certainly a great Patriot. I would certainly make the case that he was a better free agent signing than he was a draft pick by Bill Belichick that he was much better in his second go around and look Belichick is even talked about it. He he misused Chung the first time around they figured out what he was really good at minimized his weaknesses, which was basically like he could not play in space birth. His life like he just he just couldn't so you needed to get him close to the line or on a tight end really close and he was good to go and he was really tough help the team win 3 Super Bowls did, you know did whatever Belichick wanted as far as this contract a contract and stuff like that? So Patriot through and through his his retirement explains a little bit more about Jack Mills being here. I think they're very similar, you know, including that they're coming from the Eagles before coming back to the Patriots. But you know sort of a feisty under six is Nick is Ian Nichols corner is the safety. What can you do if you cover tight ends, he's tough. He likes to Yap a lot Chung like the Apple odd, but they're very very similar. I can see Belichick watching Jalen Mills on film as being like, hey reminds me of Patrick Chung and you know trying retires which isn't exactly good for the salary cap for the page. It gives them a little bit of a a hit this year, but look no question. Great Patriot. Not a huge loss considering where he was in his career took last year off the past couple of years has been harder and harder to for him to reach the Finish Line with the injuries. He's always been an undersized guy at a club position buddies displayed incredible toughness good time for him to go in terms of where the Patriots are. I don't think they're going to miss him very much, but look a lot of institutional knowledge there that's always tough to see but I have a feeling he won't be he'll be around a lot. You know, I'll put it that way. Yeah what I look at this the cap stuff the finance is it depends on if they cut him immediately or he retires immediately they file it or if they wait until June 1st, if they do it immediately, then it hurts the cap this year if they wait until after I believe it pushes it into next year and you might say to yourself you might as well just take the hit right now when you have the space and you know to free up a little bit more the books next season, so we'll see how long Works out on the field. Listen, you've got Mills. You've got Duggar you've got Phillips. I'm fine with that and it makes a lot more sense. Like you said why they signed Mills we talked about this on Monday night, the signs. Listen, I thought that they overpaid for a Galore. I still feel that way. But when you look at the signings from the top on down the only one that didn't make a whole bunch of sense to me was Mills. Well now it does it makes more sense. I don't have to be in love with the signing. I still have questions about him. But the move itself makes sense. You also safety. You lost a guy that might be able to cover tight ends versatile chess piece a little bit and again that kind of personality that you mentioned. So the Mills signing makes a hell of a lot more sense. Now, that chunk is out the door than it did on Monday another big thing that happened since our last podcast was Greg. Maybe we were just stupid. Maybe we were naive we thought jonnu Smith was going to be the number one tight end and then the Patriots would move on and free home. See, that's not how it worked out as we know by now Hunter Henry signs and it's funny somebody tweeted at me this week at Nick's sea radio. If you want to follow me again at Nick's sea radio someone tweeted at me that they were listening to our podcast on Tuesday morning and at the precise moment we were talking about jonnu Smith vs Hunter Henry and you had said, you know, the more I think about it. It's pretty tough to pick one guy, you know, either way you're going to work out. It's going to be a good signing pretty much. I'm paraphrasing at that moment. The person that was listening on Twitter that Hunter Henry had signed with the Patriots and he said I just laughed because it's precisely what Greg had said. It doesn't really matter if it was Smith or Henry, you know, a lot of similarities now the page get both Yeah, that's that's exciting and unexpected. And also, you know Nick one thought I had about this and and I somewhat wrote about this the other day. In fact my column sort of taking a step back from at least the first day and I'll have a column today sort of a my thoughts and it will expound on what we're talking about here, which is basically like, you know, it's it's hard not to like a lot what they did and but in terms of the the tight ends I think that you know, this is an instance where the culturally dropped the ball on a lot of things this offseason like when you looked at it, so when you looked at it coming into this offseason there were four teens that basically had a ton of cap space. It was the Patriots. It was the Jaguars and the Jets. Yep and the Colts so you looked at it and and this is what I wrote the other day that Belichick is some point in time realize like dead. It was almost like a poker game. I I equated it to you know, buying houses and things like that, but it was almost like a poker game where Belichick is like, all right, all these guys got big Stacks, but all of a sudden Belichick's looking around he's like, wow, I'm really the only player here like you have the Jaguars and Urban Meyer. Okay fine. You want to go there whatever go ahead. Go to Jacksonville, you know or you want to go to the gym, like what do they really doing? Like, do you want to go there? Who's their quarterback? Whatever? Okay, okay, and then you have the Colts. You know, he's looking at Chris Ballard who's a guy who's just you know, he basically like if you're watching the video like I'm like, I'm hoarding the chips. Like he just got his arms around his chest like he's like looking around at everybody. Like I'm not trying to take my chips. Are you really take my chips? Nobody came into my chest and I equated it to you know in the house buying I was like, you know, Belichick's got all this money. He's got cash. He's ready to buy a house has Chris Bowers the type of buyer who's like he's dead. Like all fifteen houses and he goes back and about three times and then he gives you a lowball offer and this and that like Belichick's just got cash. He's like, all right. I know exactly what the value is of this mouse. Here's my offer take it or leave it. You don't like it. I'm going in the next guy. That's the way this free agency went and so a team like the Colts like I mean Frank right just came out yesterday and said we're looking to add a playmaking tight end. What what the hell he waiting for like you had Johnny Smith Hunter Henry in a crapload of cat space like why why don't the Colts have one of them and it's because of balor's in action. He thinks she's looked and I think Chris Ballard is great idea what he does have a bit of an ego when it comes to His abilities as a GM is abilities drafting like he thinks a lot of what he does. And so, you know, at least Bella's Belichick certainly has an ego but at least he came in here is like, hey, look, I can't drive worth a crap. Like my free agency has sucked. You know, we have no Talent. We have no pro bowler. So I'm going to import about four or five like instantly to make up for it, you know, so at least he's a real Attack. Yep. And so I just, you know, the tight ends is great. The Colts completely dropped the ball the Patriots took advantage of that and now you have the two-tight-end thing and you know walk in one offshoot. I want to get too. I've been talking for a while. So I'm going to take a break for a second but we can we can come back to this. Okay. Now you're fired up. It's all good. I am, you know, give me multiple tight ends and things like that I get fired up, but we need to talk about Cam and you know sort of his ability to really make this offense work with two tight ends. And of course everybody's like, oh too tight ends we can do this we can do that you can do, you know are they dead? Backers, are they say ye? Yes, but do you have the type of quarterback that can make checks calls reads and things like that to take advantage of all that that is a big unknown with Cam Newton and something like that. If they don't answer affirmatively, they ain't going to work. Yeah, you know what when you look at site and we'll cuz I want to get to the quarterback position for sure and how all these moves affect that position currently moving forward. But just one more thing on the tight ends, you know, I see a lot of people saying oh, well, this is an indictment on the two tight ends that were drafted last year. I wouldn't go that far just yet because number one again covid-19. It's a tough position to learn they should have been better than they were they should have at least, you know, given you something right? But what I would say is you bring in Smith you bring in Bank Asia Asia still your third guy and I think Dalton Keen as we said when he was drafted Greg, yes, he could play tight end, but he's also more of an HVAC fullback so exactly I think home. Seen Dalton Keen go back to what he was supposed to be which is that age back fullback. You'll have Assi Assi now is your third guy and you've got Smith and Henry and you know, I love that. I'm not complain about that another big move that's happened since our last podcast as Greg takes another shot of espresso. Kyle Van Noy was brought back last night. I'm a little afraid to bring up his name Greg. I don't think you're a huge fan of mr. Personality and putting himself over he of course released the video immediately last night putting himself over off what I surely you. Just so first I will give you the opportunity to get anything off of your back that you would like about Vannoy before we talk about the football aspect wage. Yeah. I saw your tweet I didn't I didn't I look it just seemed to put spicy every time we bring them up. It's like, oh yeah, here we go. You know, I love Kyle Van why the plane? Okay, I do I do and I think he's he's a great fit back here and he makes them so much better and but look I you know, I just don't like the way he does things in terms of you know, how he let me just say this can we not have any any not nickname anybody, you know any money or anything like that can can we come to that agreement cam did that did you have a problem with Cam did that? Yeah, how'd that work? You know like, you know how that work out all his nickname in hashtags and things like that. Last year was nicknamed. Let's just worry about the feel like I don't want to hear about boogie man who crap out in the last month of the season and cost them home field advantage in the playoffs that let's just what I think Kyle Van white is a is a tremendous player. He just he just talks too much for me, but that's just me you doing I would say this you respect wage. Talent you understand you understand and appreciate the versatility that he's going to bring to this 2% can play on the edge you can slide into the inside you can now have him move on the inside width height our menus and a sub, you know package. If you want to even mess around with Jenny, there's a lot of different stuff that they can do with. You know, now you've got Jude on in Vannoy your Edge compared to Jersey last year defensively God Edge is a billion times better. So there's no doubt. It's just he's somebody that annoys you and I think there's some similarities just judging by doing this podcast with you since you know before last season, it seems to me that there are some similarities to chase winovich where like, you know, the camera and the personality and he makes sure that it's turned on and he's always got home. I don't have as big of an issue with it. But I do think you tend to get annoyed by some of those guys. So I think your mom just I'm just I'm look I'm cranky old school grumpy guy who just you know, I want guys to just let their play do the talking and they're plenty good. Well Chase winovich isn't but you know, like let's just see what happens with Chase winovich who you know could be I would not be surprised if she traded at some point. I just don't look he's he's stuck in a sub role now, right? Absolutely right in terms of June on on the left side. Kyle Van Noy on the right side, you know, you got God shall in a little you know, for now, it's Anderson and Lawrence guy spot. You got Hightower in the middle. I mean Nick, holy hell are they good against the run like it is night and day where they are and look I don't winovich might be he's good third-down pass rusher evidence of anything that they've done here is is it is proof that they do not trust at least winovich to be a starter. They don't trust them to be in the right place. We talked about it as nauseam. You know, he you know, he's he's not sure who I am and and you know what I'm talking about. Well, you know the Patriots coaches obviously don't trust them because they brought in not one but two veteran Edge players and so look he could still be a sub pass-rusher an a good one. He's there's no question his Motors good his pass-rush is good. I just think it's it's more likely than not that when if it's just probably traded at some point cuz he is and he's in a log Jam for at least another year. And so what's what's the point? I don't understand what the point is trade him. Try to send them back to kiss Areo try to get something for him and move on. Here's what I'll say, you know, this month free agency has been cathartic I think for a lot of people it's been cathartic and for the media, it's been cathartic for the fan base because for the last few years many of us, even though some people try to paint certain people in the media as Homer's which whatever I mean, I think most of that is a joke, but you know, I looked at this and I said in the last few years, obviously Belichick The GM had failed Belichick the coach we watched this team and Greg you're mentioning it right now for the last few years. We've watched and go she's they've got nobody at tight end. What the heck are they doing? They've got nobody at tight end for the edge or exactly and you'd watch this team you'd say they're going to give up 250 rushing yards tonight. I know it they know off the American people know it and they're not doing anything about it. And so that's why I think this week has been such a moment not only for Patriots fans, but also the Patriots media because I do think I do think that it justifies some of the bitching that the media has done and it proves that some of the issues that we've had with, you know, the lack of Talent on a roster and the problems they had against certain opposition. It proves that we were onto something and it also proves it for sure. It also proves this Greg Belichick new and you know a log Times we'd watch this team and go. Yeah, he's the greatest coach of all time. How does he know that? This team can't defend the Run. Yeah, he coach of all time. How can't he see this offense as brutal month you get this feeling you know, Belichick is almost like us in this offseason. He he walked in as you said as the only player in the poker game and he said I've never John all these guys. I've got leverage every single team. I'm going to be aggressive and as we sat there and watch this football team play and we stood publicly Belichick was still doing internally. He was still not going this roster isn't good enough. I've had a lot. Yeah. Yeah. We stink and I I've got to do a lot of things to fix it. And so he walked in and he did what every fan and what pretty much every media member wanted him to do admit your mistakes embraced the mistakes, correct the mistakes and do what you have to do to make this roster better job. That's what he did moving on Ted Karras. I wanted to talk about this one because you're a big line guy. Obviously, we know by now we had it I think on Monday night that Joe Toney was going to the Chiefs game. Now, we know that David Andrews is moving on Ted Karras signs with the Pats your thoughts on what it looks like replacing Andrews with Charis Andrews thinks he's moving on Thursday. He does. We'll see. Oh, yeah what I know about this is that Let's let's say David Andrews look and he's a very good player and he's won multiple Super Bowls and you know, I get it and and more power to the players to get every last dollar that they can but let's just say that David Andrews has a very high value he put a very high value on his services this offseason page, I would say and let's just say it's somewhere near the top of the Center Market and I think that's delusional like I think he's a good player but he's he Corey Linsley wage is the any of these other guys know, he's a notch below them. Yeah. That's the name. I thought of as soon as you start talking. He saw the linsly contract and he was licking his chops going. Oh, yeah, baby. I think Leslie got 12 and 1/2 million. I'm sorry, you know David Andrews is not that if he can get it great, but in this with this cap in this market, There's no way he's worth David Anderson's work that plus the whole blood clot thing doesn't help his case. I think David Andrews is around a 7 to 9 million dollar Center in my opinion. I agree and he thinks it's out there. He thinks up a big paydays out there. I think the Patriots were willing probably to do the ballpark that I was talking about. But Andrews was not and so he sort of burned the boats. He's not entirely but at least threatened at least in their mind. Oh, well. No, I'm really leaving. I'm I'm announcing I'm talking to other teams in the Patriots like okay have fun. See what's out there like he could come back with his hat in his hand. He could yeah, but if they have to if it's Karis, I assume they're going to get a booster in the draft. They should have gotten one last year. We talked about that. It was on their list they wait until the 7th round and they drafted some guy Dustin Woodard who retired before he ever really did anything. Here that's a disappointment. They knew that they had to get better at the backup center position and they just it's another thing that Belichick dropped the ball on last year. Now, they're pressed into it off and look they've had guys whether it's you know, Tunis stork, you know, a bunch of different guys have started as rookies on the offensive line here even later round picks. They're going to have to do that again because the alternative would Ted Karras and I love steady 1080i coin that nickname for him, but he's limited and he the running games going to be limited. He's not that great of an athlete. He's good pass-rushing not a great run-blocker can't get to the second level. It limits what the Patriots can do. He's a good feeling but the Patriots need to find better perhaps it's Andrews coming back for a one year deal to maybe hit free agency again next year. I'm sure the Patriots would be open to that. I think that would be the ideal situation for both sides at this point. We're just going to have to see whether that happens or not. All right. I only want to spend a minute. This next one because we gotta get to bigger picture stuff Adam off to Miami thoughts. He's he's almost like he's very similar to chase winovich in that. He was only a sub rusher and there is a limit on the value of that in the scheme and he hit the he hit the limit basically by the years that he's been here good for him going and getting a something else somewhere. I just you just there's just a I mean look good player good pass-rusher, but you know, how many snaps is he playing? What's the value of that and the Patriots decided to move on? I think that's wise you should be able to hide find those kind of guys in the draft or at least younger guys cheaper guys and maybe now Byron Cowart gets more of a chance to do that and maybe he's better at that than being in, you know in every down first two down defensive tackle, which he wasn't great at. All right. So let's look at the bigger picture now you and I we both laughing The team has done. You said you're going to write something more in-depth at Boston Sports channel, So check that out. If you're listening to this podcast for really in-depth thoughts on each of these bigger moves from Greg, but let's get to them back position Now Greg first question about the quarterback position if Cam Newton is going to be the guy and I don't want you to tell me if they're going to have other options just yet. We'll get to that. Yep, but as currently constituted with Cam as the quarterback, how much better is this offense? I think it is incrementally better. You know, I think it's look he has a ton more Talent will get the we'll get the judgment on you know is a cam hours of the the people around him or what-have-you because and and I actually this is part of the thing that was going to write for bsj is you know, one of the thoughts I had is I don't know who's under more pressure right now Bello Checker Cam Newton because this is the most Talent Cam Newton has ever been surrounded by ever. Yeah, even even though you know when he was MVP in 2015 that group can't hold a candle to this. I mean basically Hunter Henry is Greg Olsen, then you have another tight end who's just as good as those those two guys off and these receivers are much better. I think with Steve Smith on that Super Bowl team. I think it was I think he was and then he got released. I think after that. Yeah, so see Smith was great. So they, you know, look, They have an advantage there. That was a good offensive line. I think this offensive line is better. I think the running backs at the end of the day the Patriots, you know might add somebody their home. They could be pretty close to the Panthers had some good running backs cameras in his prime back then as far as a runner and passer but I think this I think this group as a whole is better off the defense is better. So if Cam doesn't produce this year, he's done. He's exposed. He's completely he's completely done. And so I think there's a ton of pressure on him. Do I think they're going to be better? Yeah, I I think they're going to be better how much better. I'm not sure but I just think just the ability having the tight ends and you know, these different wide receivers that can get open really quick and they can do different things and the matchup issues that they're going to have people are going to be open all over the place Nick. They're going to be able to run the ball people are going to be open is Cam going to deliver and he is he going to deliver on time. I have a lot of questions about that. Okay, since you have questions about that since cams contract is very very very low risk. I mean, even when you look at some of these other deals that have been signed Fitzpatrick's in ten million on the base Dalton's getting ten million on the base even somebody like Tyrod Taylor I think is making a little bit more money on the base than cam is Jameis Winston's making more money down in New Orleans off. So, you know, some people were saying that my guy Lou merloni saying that cam wasn't his plan a I'm not going to go that far. I don't think cam was plan a if Cam was playing a game. I mean for the offseason cam was planted he was he he was not even close to True exactly. He was planted for the quarterback know they called the 49ers. They called the Raiders. They made an offer for Matthew Stafford home. He's not playing a if you're doing those things anyway, I digest but I grassed not digest I'd I'd doubt he's going to say yeah, I can just on your own. You know what I'd I'd just at all in and then what I do, I think of what I gotta say and then I digress but I digress when you look at what they're going to do now moving forward this certainly You could argue I tweeted this out the other day you could argue anything you want with what they're going to do at quarterback now because what they've done over the past few days builds a case for each and every option you could say Greg. Hey Thursday built this thing around Cam and as you just mentioned the pressures on cam if he doesn't get it done, he's exposed. They think he can do it with a better Supporting Cast so cams going to be the guy you could own no. We'll build the case and say well they went out and spent a ton of money. They brought in a bunch of veterans that opens the door to be very aggressive in the draft to maybe move up and draft the black guy and if the next guy is not ready this year they have Cam as the mentor that young guy a lot of people are thrown around Trail ants because they have a similar kind of skill-set then Lance develops over the next year off and then in 20 22, you still have this Supporting Cast with one year under their belt and Trail and you could also say well maybe they're trying to upgrade and woo somebody off Wilson or Watson and you know, Mike Silver's talked about that Jeff how has written about that Joseph person in the athletic has also mentioned the New England Patriots possibly trying to sneak in to the DeShaun Watson talks with all of that laid out for you. Which option do you think is the most likely do you think we could now see them be aggressive and off? Bob to try to find that next guy Okay, a couple of things you know what has transpired doesn't change anything. Okay, Jimmy Garoppolo has always been planning for this team. They've had they have tried to get him. They have tried to engage the 49ers. The 49ers will not engage at least at least to this point without having something better or their own sort of plan and the Patriots are just like all right, fine, you know the words that I was told was the Forty Niners are screwing around. They're not really engaging and the Patriots said, okay fine, you know, we're moving the Patriots are not going to wait around, you know, God for yes. They love Jimmy would they like to have Jimmy here? Yes, but they're not going to sit around and wait and pine for Jimmy because what happened then you're left with nothing. You could be left with nothing at the end of the day. So they made plans and I would say the most likely plan at this point is Cam Newton with a draft pick now. It doesn't mean to me that does not mean trade up in the draft. It doesn't mean draft one and fifteen it could mean it may basically I'm trying to say it could mean anything in terms of craft. Yeah, and I think it also applies to say like Garoppolo like the Patriots are still they still have the ability and it's getting harder and harder by the day off but they still have some moves that they could do in terms of extending McCourty Hightower. They could create some space plus if they traded for Garoppolo they could do some things where like they give them a salary. Yeah in a bonus and prorate it and really his cat space is really only like four million. Yeah. They care one. It could be structure him and make it very easy to deal with the cap. So and even somebody Someone said this to me the other day that it's not a look this is there works on mine. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the 49ers just release Garoppolo took a point with the 25 million. He's on their books and maybe they see our we're going to do this. We're going to do that in the draft. That is possible. So look there is a light on for Jimmy G trust me off and it'll probably always stay on Jimmy. I just don't look like like looking out the window and like the glass towards Jimmy G and Jimmy G's in a car in the back seat. And Shanahan is John Lynch or in the front seat. It's being driven by Kyle Shanahan. Don't get that in Garoppolo looking out garoppolo's looking out the window from the back seat in Belichick's looking out the window and like the living wage and they're just like reaching towards each other like we can make this happen and Shanahan's like not going to happen on my watch. Not yet why Shanahan sounds like he came from Alabama, but in my mind, that's what it off. Yeah, it could you could but I would say the most likely scenario right now is Cam Newton and a quarterback and I can't tell you where that quarterbacks going to come in the draft. It could come in the second round. You know, I know the Patriots think there is a lot of depth in this quarterback class. They are not done with their homework on this on this draft class probably won't be done. I don't think the coaches really doing heavy lifting, you know, especially Belichick until April once free agency and everything is done then he'll really dive into that stuff and they'll come away with who they want wage. And I think it's the most likely scenario is Cam and a draft quarterback. Are they hoping that draft quarterback possibly ascends quickly probably doesn't necessarily need to happen this year. No, but I think that's m a r I also think it maybe we'll dive into this a little bit more next week, but the free agency approach gives Belichick what he loves to have during the draft flexibility. Yeah, I think you know now you can take anybody because you're not beholding to one specific position, even though I'd like to see them be aggressive and move up and get a quarterback. If they loved one of the top four guys. It does leave them some flexibility now if they want to make that move if they want to stay and stick and pick they can do that if they want to move down the board. I mean, they've got a lot of different things they can do now because they've answered a lot of the questions we had going into this offseason by day to officially a free agency last one for you today. Hang on one. I forgot the Watson. Yep. I think it's a pipe bomb. Like I don't you know, I don't want to say never because who knows you never know what's going to happen and the Patriots always leave themselves the flexibility. I just don't think first of all, I don't think Watson wants to come home. He's never been on this list, you know second of all the Patriots don't have enough to offer any even yeah, you could say. Well he has a no-trade clause. Yes, but you know the Texans aren't just going to accept them like crap. Yeah in exchange. They're not just they would rather in that scenario. They'll be like screw you to DeSean. We have worked out a deal with the with the dolphins or jets or somebody gives us a quarterback. We get the number two or three overall pick. Okay, you know, he'd be like, I don't like them. I want to go to New England. They'll be like go screw go sit go sit would not now we're going to make you sit and that's easily kabell, you know, people will understand and be like, oh I backed the Texans here. Let alone all the allegations that are going on, which I don't want to touch with a ten-foot pole, but I just think God People need to give up on the Sean Watson. I mean look do I think there's a maybe a 1% 2% chance, I guess but largely it's a complete pipe dream in fallacy. And if you're on Twitter, you know back during about DeShaun Watson all the time. There are much better ways to spend your time. Well, I guess you've said your piece on that. I think it's a little bit more possible than you do. I am not saying that it's likely I don't think it's likely but there are some things that Patriots could do but the difficulty is because in the scenario, you wouldn't be trading what you have right. Now. You would have to trade some stuff to move up and then move that pic to Houston and I mean we would have to be a lot of different things that would go down for that to happen. Right? I would also say as far as there's no trade clause I do think it's a valid point to bring up. I I do think if you want it to try to direct himself to somewhere that gives him a little bit more leverage to do to an extent. Yep. An extent and that also leads to the next point which you said, you know, it really depends on whether or not Watson is willing to sit and you know, there are people out there that say, oh here's principled guy. He's going to sit he doesn't care how much money it costs him and look maybe that's true. Or maybe that's I would be one of those people or you know, maybe it's true or maybe that's Watson's Camp off that is leaking that to try to put the fear of God into Houston so they can just say okay in relent and move him. I don't know which one I think the most likely thing that's happening here is with that. Let's not forget who was initially brought up the Jets and the Dolphins and if you're if you're a Houston and you're going to move Watson the number one priority for you as an organization is to answer the question who the hell is going to replace that guy and I think it's a Rod Taylor, right? I don't think Taylor is the answer. Okay. He might be a bridge guy may be dead. But if you're dealing somebody like oh God, yeah, usually if you're dealing with a top five or six quarterback 25 years old with a contract. He just signed off he set for the next five six years you are looking for his immediate replacement in unless the team that you trade him to gives you that replacement or gives you an Avenue to acquire a placement. It's it's not even worth talking about if you're Houston. So again, it would have to take the Patriots to move up and get a pic get some other people sent. You know, there'd be a lot of moves or it would be DeShaun Watson walking in saying I want New England or I'm going to sit and he'd be half. He'd have to be willing to actually sit and put Houston's feet to the fire. So those are the only ways that happens and that's why I think it's very unlikely one last thing. I wanted to ask you. They've added a bunch we've talked about it. I mean talked about their needs Greg. They need a tight ends. They certainly got tight ends. They needed help on the edge Vannoy Judith check check. They needed some help on the interior of the defensive line. I would say somewhat check. Maybe they need to add somebody else. Maybe that'll be part of this answer but they they've answered a lot of questions so far. What would you like to see them do over the next? I don't know a couple of days a week. What would you like to see them do that is still on your to-do list. Okay, I'm off. I mean in terms of pieces to the puzzle, you know, like I talked about Center. You know, you're looking at the draft quarterback, you're looking at the draft. I think they need some more beef inside if Lawrence guy is not back if he's if he's back then fine. You know Bo Allen just got released and I'm awfully yeah. I always I'm glad I snapped that photo of Bo Allen on the sidelines during the walk-through. It's like it's like the Loch Ness Monsters. Yeah, you're Bominable snowman. They were on foot in throughout the most part in today. Thank God. Yes. Yes they did. So they need some beef inside. I would like to see, you know, another big boy in there. I think they cuz I can like we we've seen before you can never have enough depth inside on both lines. I think that the big remaining piece of the puzzle to me. Nick is home. I'm just not sure how the linebackers fit like is Uche now a stand-up linebacker if he is. Okay. I'm good with that. I think he's shown some potential there. I would like a speedy dead. I would like a speedy line backer perhaps that's Kyle Duggar that could be Duggar playing linebacker. He's big and strong enough. I think they're going to lose James White to somebody. Yep mer Tampa. So I would like another running back option. I think you've been tweeting about it, you know the Lindsay stuff. Yeah, he's a guy I've been fascinated with forever and he was always the answer to people would be like when we dragged on Sony Michelle people. Well, what do you want? I'm like, well, I want Phillip Lindsay who was you know, undrafted free agent just about offensive Rookie of the Year his rookie year. So I want to I want to running back. I want to I want more of a so they have to sort of power backs. I want a quick back. Yeah in the backfield a quick hitter to do with these guys. So that's kind of what I'm looking at. Yeah. I mean, we we have pretty much the same list. There's one more thing though. I'd like to see cuz I'd like to see the James White replacement. I've been saying Phillip Lindsay just because I mentioned job Twitter that Mike Lombardi brought that up earlier this week and whenever Lombardi throws a name out there, I think we should all at least give it some Credence because of his relationship with Belichick's so he brought that up before Denver made it official Don from him. So, you know, maybe one sees the answer maybe somebody else is the answer we know for a fact it's been reported out that the Patriots are looking at running back. I don't want format cuz for net is too much of Damien Harrisburg, she'll give me somebody else who's a little bit of a scatter back. You can move them around it could even get away with putting Lindsay in the slot, you know people were in love with the idea of Le'Veon Bell. I'm not saying he's Le'Veon Bell, but that kind of Shifty back somebody who gives you like. You said the speed element, I would like to see that happen because as great as James White was he wasn't the fastest guy in the world. So I like to see that happen defensive tackle. I think they're in a really good spot because there's going to be a number of guys Danny Shelton Lawrence guy. There are guys out there that are still available. And also when you look at the draft, there's a few dudes that you might be able to move down in the first round if you want to do that and draft a young guy dead. And put him in the middle. So I think they'll be fine there. But I do think they need another fat dude or big dude in the middle of that d-line Center for sure. The one thing you did mention. I still want to see me receiver. Like I think you know agholor to me is a nice too. Kendrick Bourne, Jacoby Myers is your kind of 3/4? I can't depend on Julian Edelman as much as I love him. You just can't. Yep. And on Jules I would have absolutely I had a heart attack if Curtis Samuel signed with this football team. He went to for the people saying oh, well, they should have picked Samuel over agholor. It's not how it works. You know, like we said, let's not forget that Samuel played for Ron Rivera. He played with Terry McLaurin in college. I think they were roommates in college relationships matter Samuel might have just said no, I want to go to a place with a coach that I know and play with one of my best friends, but it's so we don't know if Samuel would have went to New England even if they offered him the back so I still think a number one wide receiver whether their life and I'm kind of a little you know, I'm a little concerned about the draft because their track record, I do think n'keal. Harry probably gets traded just too much smoke around that guy right now. Also, make note that AJ Green apparently according to some reports. It was the Cardinals or the Patriots for AJ Green. So we know that the Patriots are still in the market for a receiver. I would have hated the way I think he's done but they're in the market. So give me a wide receiver. Give me one more Bill. I know you've given us a lot and I'm being greedy. But give me one more receiver. I thought I could feel like he's a one guy and I don't know if that guy is available in free agency right now, unless you believe Kenny golladay, or maybe you mention this Greg a little while ago Allen Robinson home. I don't know if you're you know, really wanting to make a deal for Allen Robinson with the money that you're paying agholor, but I'll tell you could you imagine Greg. I mean, I'm A lactating just thinking about my God. You would Jesus you've got job to think about per second. All right, but let's not let's not talk about quarterback. We're to talk about quarterback. I want to I want to stick in my good space Positive Vibes right now Positive Vibes only. Yep Hunter Henry dead. Jonnu, Smith Damien Harris, Sony Michelle Phillip, Lindsay Allen Robinson agholor. Edelman Kendrick Bourne, maybe Myers. Holy crap. Did you really have a choice? He was yelling their Homer know I gotta I gotta add a third back. You know, they love a third bag. They keep paying Rex Burkhead. They can't get enough of a third back. They he has a long they're probably still going to offer a three-year contract to find them in there. He's going to go behind him and they're going to wheel. They're going to wheelchair his routes form. Yeah. So I mean, it's just I'm just saying if you if you Allen Robinson Hunter Henry and jonnu Smith. I mean, I feel like I could play quarterback in that team wins 10 or 11 games. Honestly, like if I can't succeed with that, I mean my goodness then he has no chance to ever throw a football in the NFL. So I would say overall it's been a damn. Good job. Productive first few days when Greg Bedard doesn't have a lot to pitch about, you know, you know, it's going pretty well. So, you know Belichick, you know knocked it out of the park. And by the way right before we real quick before we leave actually, there's two things. I want to say number one that you know the the downside to this and we talked about it before the Eagles dream team and stuff like that the counter that and I agree with it with this group. Not only is it Bella Texas coaching them? Cuz Andy Reid coached that group, he's pretty good. It's all these guys are young. This is not nominee Austin Hua, you know Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or Ronnie Brown, you know, you know on the downside of their career, these guys are all ascending. So I agree with all that. The other thing I wanted to say is I don't ask for much other than a subscription to be SJ and Thursday and rating reviews, you know positive rating reviews here on the podcast, but I'm just wondering if I can get a little positive juju going from my alma mater Rutgers our first NCAA tournament appearance and wage. A billion years. Let's go Friday night like 9:20. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I'll be watching them probably when I open about 12 Beers deep and I'll be watching them for you back on a good bet bet them to go to the Sweet Sixteen. I like their draw Clemson and then Houston we're going to the Sweet Sixteen. This is what happens when a team that hasn't been in a long time. They finally get in our final four, you know going crazy. Here we go Magic World Championship rocker write it down. Don't even write it down with pencil write it with a sharpie. Yeah. I mean, I agree with I agree with what you said as far as this group in listen, you were all over it. You were all over this since since day one and I'm not saying about spending money. A lot of people were taught about money. But you were in on some of the names you were in on the philosophy as far as what they were going to do i e young guys, you know versatility not belt looking at used and versatility so long And he got a lot of that so far and he still has by my account around twenty million left in cap space. I don't think they're done just yet. He is Greg Bedard I of course, I'm Nicki. Hopefully you enjoyed if you're still listening. I guess you did enjoy the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles till next week or unless the Patriots trade for the shop. DeShaun Watson get choked up. Well, we'll talk to you next week. Everybody be good. Be safe be healthy enjoy the tournament and embrace this free agent.

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PMS 2.0 376 - Free Agency Continues, Dallas Clark, Darius Butler, Darius Slay, & AJ Hawk

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PMS 2.0 376 - Free Agency Continues, Dallas Clark, Darius Butler, Darius Slay, & AJ Hawk

"Hello it is. Thursday march eighteenth. Two thousand and twenty one. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the pack 2.08 machinations. This podcast is one. That is very below average but the fact that you allow us to penetrate your ear holes. We are forever grateful if you enjoyed the show by the end of it. Please be a friend in telephoned. And if not just act like it never ever happen but today a lot of things have happened lot of conversation and i. I don't say this lightly tomorrow. Appointment listening tomorrow is going to be a big one and we all know that. And i hope you know listening here at this office. We live in breathe sports. But i think we can all agree. That march belongs to basketball. Done it. I mean the. Nfl's doing their thing right now but once march madness kicks off tonight. 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That make you go. What the fuck are they doing over there. Then there's also decisions being made where you think. Oh i like to see that team doing that. Calvin roy friend of the show signs back with the new england patriots. He goes back into the same. Division is a team that signed him to a four year. Forty million dollar deal and released him one year. After that deal was signed he goes back to new england. Miami has to pay him money still and the new england patriots after cao van noy with how he played got a compensatory pick for for the entire fourth round draft pick so the dolphins are are going to pay calvin some sort of money next year. They're one of their biggest rivals in their division earned another draft pick which they do pretty well with. Actually maybe not actually. Maybe it doesn't even matter long term. I mean that might just be used as a bundle to get somebody else but they get a fourth round draft and they have to play against them two times a year. I mean this is quite a situation for the miami. Dolphins congrats the front of the show. Calvin noise going back to new england. I assume he's excited. We start doing some math it. We're not a hundred percent sure. How much miami will pay him next year to play against them twice a year twice in the neck. Seventeen games or whatever. But i think it's a couple of million dollars so they're going to be paying a guy to play against them and bill belichick once again super smart human how you doing keep it. Movin signing bonus. Here you'll make one million dollars here then we'll give you some money on the back. End your back in the game. You're backing a building. And have you seen what we have built their now. You have to think to yourself with patrick chung retiring day. He was one of the opt outs. Did he do that by himself. After one year of opting out due to a covid scare which had few players who haven't seemed to have the most bright current days that opted out because they didn't want the season and it was alleged there would be no nothing held against the people that did that. We all knew there involved in this. If three guys opt out and there's still another seventy five guys that play in the entire season goes off without a hitch. How's that gonna make the opt-outs look to the teams that they're potentially trying to come back to. I'm saying it's right. I'm just saying whenever they made the announcement that there will be nothing held against anybody that does this. That was an ignorant statement. Did not take into account football guys that run building and go you remember. You didn't play against cova. Do you remember that we fool team in here. The league full season didn't even delay anything. Same time star players were playing. You know aaron rodgers. that's on bitch played. You know. Tom brady them Blade patrick mahomes debate played. You didn't play okay. Yeah that's good that's good at non this fucking. There's a lot of that going on right now. Okay and we're not saying it's right. Okay listen you make a decision. There are consequences when you make the decision. You're told that these consequences can't necessarily happen. But i think everybody that has ever been into a football building in talk to humans. That are making decisions football buildings. You all knew that if there was a chance that you opted out because of something that could have a little bit of a conversation when everybody else seemed to go play so once again. Not right but definitely happening. Patrick chung retires cannon traded out of houston. He was the other opt in now. Dante hightower right was the third opt out. Dante hats are also plays similar position. Calvin okay so now. What's going to happen with dante hatchet. Because you look around a couple of different teams the opt-outs have all been sexy later. You're you're you're not coming back here now other team signing guys that opted out is interesting to me because that means okay that's not league-wide there's only certain teams which i think is expected whenever you if you if we were asked immediately upon the protocol being that nothing can be held against these players at opt out this every. If you were to ask us. I think we would have been able to. I think i would have given you. A percentage of the amount of people that that will ring true for. And i think it's a small number but there are teams trading for opt-outs team signing for opt-outs it feels like there's a couple teams so you can get a good read on how they feel about. How the opt outs are. And i think that can dictate some moves that are going to be made in the future. Speaking of moves that were made cow along is now a member of the kansas city. Was this show a couple of weeks ago. Looked in a very good space mentally physically. He talked about how his brother could get it actually. Hey hey chris you wanna come get some. I'm right down the road. Great conversation he in that conversation that he had with us. He chicks out about how. When in his final days was chicago he was a bitter hurt guy. Basically i think he has come to the understanding with himself that maybe how football ended for him. The first time that caused him to retirement was nowhere near how his actual feelings. I think he understood injuries. Play into that transition trae. It plays into that. I would assume with how the team was doing. Plays into that. You can really get into your head. They're in it can become a bit negative and i would assume how long got away from the game. He got back in the media a little bit. He was doing some other things any realized that he absolutely loved football. Still he realized that is body is better than it's ever felt. He realized that taking a break. Maybe mentally and physically helped him out. And i think we're going to see very dominant cow long. He had a visit with the raiders. Remember whenever he announced he was coming out of retirement. They said always taking a visit to the raiders. The one or whatever. And i think there was a chance that maybe he and his dad chatted or i was sooner. Dad would speak especially on something about coming out of retirement when your dad's an nfl. Ledge out abba. But i wonder if like the raiders was the initial idea like oh go play for that whole thing. I'm i'm not saying it is. I have not talked to him about any of this. I'm just speculating from looking outside. And with the conversation. I've had with him and knowing him a little bit off air. I wonder if his dad talked was like raiders and then as soon as his name got out there that he was potential. Coming back to football. And he's gonna be a free agent. I wonder if his phone was. Hey hey hey hey. Hey hey hold the vo here pal. We just we. Don't have any offense alignment over here. We'll pay by the way we've been back back super bowls. You wanna come on over kazantzakis. Let me excuse me appreciate you. John boyega because my dad's jersey still there. Yeah okay good trying to get one somewhere else avenue. The kansas city five million dollar deal. He's in a revamped offense lime. They got from new england. They got him. Who knows what he's gonna play the play guard everybody's assuming he's gonna play guard because he was a dominant guard but if he's feeling better than he's ever felt his berry athletic maybe they move him to tackle. I'm not. I've not talked to him. This is nothing. We're gonna play guard because he was a very good guard but he's athletic enough where he could potentially moved tackle. And maybe this last year to he's studying tackle at who knows who knows what's gonna happen over there. But i love to see the kansas city chiefs getting into the game. I like the fact that they've been to back to back super bowls and their team is absolutely littered with talent and they're still going after people they're still making plays. They have twenty five million dollars in cap space right now. Allegedly allegedly after reworking. Travis kelsey contracts. Officially it actually happening they have twenty five million. They could sign right now. And i'm not. I'm not suggesting they will or saying they. They are going to do this. Which is the same as well. You get it but they could sign. Kenny golladay right now. Kenny golladay. who is in our is the best wide receiver that is on the board right now. They could sign kenny. Golladay right now in everybody be like how the fuck did the chiefs. add kenny. Golladay to that offense and it's because right now there's people making moves people moving signing bonus or salaries the signing bonuses voidable years. You're seeing a lot of people make plays even people that have a an abundance of riches. We can make more though. Let's do this. let's do this. And if you're a fan of one of those teams you gotta be fucking pumped. It has to be so much fun to watch your team goal in in. I'm only saying that. Because when i grew up we're in pittsburgh. Pennsylvania east hills plum bar where the ballers ball players play. There's a couple of good teachers there but a majority had not great school district. You then much better office right nick. Much much better cleaned it up to get turned around and and they did one of the only places where i think they actually did like an actual broom and sweep the entire schooling their entire. It felt like there's there's obviously some legends. That are still around there. And i i actually a lot of the people but you know our pittsburgh plum very interesting place. Okay i think you can realize that by the covid cowboy here nick and myself speaking in our. Cfo is a guy who was a good on our hockey team. So i mean you can tell that way we can operate is different but it was a pittsburgh pittsburgh's obviously hockey and football town. It's it's hockey town in a football town. But i was never a fan of the football team. I enjoyed when they won because everybody in the city was happier. Okay everybody in. The city was having. My dad was happy with my family was abbot. Everybody's happy on the steelers went. So i liked when they won because it was good but i was a fan of players. I like plus. I was actually the only miles an actual fan of in pittsburgh penguins because we could get a couple of those games. Couldn't get into steelers games. If you didn't have money for another eight people hockey you could get into a couple of games in the igloo. Okay so i became big fan. Had to start a jacket and we had a baseball team in pittsburgh their name to pittsburgh pirates in they were the worst fucking team in the league. My entire childhood basically twenty five straight years losing seasons they just absolutely stink all the old heads in pittsburgh glory days stories about how the pirates are good and whatever as i was growing up as we were going they the fucking worst and as you look at the owners. You're like you're watching these owners in there. They're not doing anything. I started looking around the baseball space. I didn't play baseball. But i didn't mind watching and i saw these new york yankees in these owner was like. Hey this guy will spend all the money. They would put graphics up on. Espn on sportscenter. Back when everybody used to watch that because it was an amazing show they would put graphics up there and it would say this is the salary or payroll for the new york yankees in this is the payroll for the other team and i think they were trying to say like this is unfair. Whatever in my eyes. I was like. Oh there's a team that is trying to fucking win in. There's a team that's like oh we're trying to. We're trying to do this in the right way. I love a team that says. Hey listen from the top all the way down to the bottom every person there is. We're going all in. I know you don't have to spend the most money to go all in. I know that there's different ways to do it. But when i see these teams getting active and making moves. I absolutely love it. A lot of respect for i understand not everybody can do because a bunker cove and everything like that but what they're doing with signing bonuses for the salary becoming signing bonus in these voidable years it feels like everybody could potentially make some moves if they really wanted to. I wonder how the nfl is going to put a button on that little clause that has been taken advantage of here. Who knows as we go forward tonight. March madness begins. There's a lot to talk about. We got a lot going on in the world. 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Let's get to a break. So i put a lot of money on that just because what box said just so my misery tomorrow when his little bullshit narrative that he talked me into up cost me a lot of money. That's why did you take it out on him. So it was the biggest lock he's ever handed out he actually he put it. He raised his finger to it on his computer screen and then told the entire office. Biggest lock i've ever made. And then wanting to this whole january february is speech at fortunately said the same thing before the maryland game. He did but this one was a good delivery. It does feel like he's moving the goalposts a little bit. But this one feels real gem joining us now is one of those a super bowl champion. A pro bowler all pro iowa. Legend ladies and gentlemen dallas boys. How are you pal. I'm great man. How are you not too shabby you. look fantastic. How's how's iowa we farm and we chilin. What's going on out there. Having you know what that means you know calving means louts spring. So obviously this is the birth time of year for You know the towels and things like that. That's what spring is we've got fox's coming onto our property ever seen what it's probably the same your west virginian education is coming through man. I love it. I love it. Yeah so we got rain in the forecast for the next five days and and got cows that mama's that are looking a little and it's always always bad weather. It's always cold. It's always rainy not ideal to have a child. Yeah let alone. A cow in In this weather so so works down. We're doing it's less slava's dallas. Please please remember this though. Rain mates corn grain is a good thing. Dallas rain is good for your hair. Thank you totally changed. My i had the wrong attitude. We need this spring. Thank you for educating me brian. Well as i saw. Luke bryan concert before luke bryan was luke bryan. I'll tell you what he he swivelled those hips and then he talked about going out on on the farm. I was like i did not expect that. Do not respect to that man. Let's talk about you dallas right now. If you've been paying attention. I know you've got a lot going on over there. Calving and harvest and everything like that in eighteen hundreds or whatever but not harvest but yeah okay you gotta grow harvest but anyway well. That's another show. Hey got the knee. Hop on the fourth of july gotta be me now but have you been paying attention this free agency right now. Dallas i. I've gotten some you know. Read some headlines. I know there's still the nfl's doing well. There's still a lot of money. Getting thrown around these players are going to be okay but yeah it's kinda wild it's I mean i'm sure it just speeds. Your guys is week because this is this a crazy time of the year for the nfl bringing the bring truck place that you're talking about feeding. This is called brinks week this week every time somebody get this is what happens. Go ahead yeah okay. So here's the funny. So i have a group of old older teammates of ours and a small group. And and trent williams signed his like just huge contract right and so fell off into linemen chose to Share the headline and and and then with the throwing up emojis next to it with dollar bills. And i'm like. I remind this has got to be what like the older players thought like when we were signing our contracts and we thought we were cool and just blink of an eye and now we're sitting in those shoes of like good lord like guaranteed money is like what are contracts. Were worth it just saying. It's just you know it just shows that the growth of the game you know kudos to the players and all that stuff And and and all that but man alive is money it is the brings driving we. We joked about that in the locker rooms. And i mean it is i mean and you and you celebrated your fellow teammates and even posing players you know getting those contracts i it just it was kind of you know on a player level like you'll plaza. You apply those and then you know so that that was always a good thing. 'cause you know deep down in your head you thinking okay. I'm up may just push the needle up a little more than dallas. So what you said about the guaranteed money being worth the entire contract. I think that is something. That's becoming more and more relevant in the conversation piece because back in the day it was reported signed for a hundred million dollars. It's like ten million. That's guaranteed ninety million if you cancer cancer if he somehow if he jumps over the field goal upright after a touchdown that'll be another million there a lot of that. Now i feel like people are starting to learn a lot more about that. Those are kind of starting to disappear. But there's this new thing. Dallas called voidable years. People are moving salary contracts to signing bonuses voidable years in the back end. They're making tricks up with these contracts and his money. If feels like anybody can make money happen if they really want to. Oh well i mean you look at Tastes some hills Contract in in. You know. Apparently and i i haven't looked deep into it but i mean from from the surface. It looks like my man. Just got a ton of money right but then you read into it. And i haven't but it sounds like it really wasn't as glorified as it was you know agents all Orders all four years or voidable. It says okay. Yes yes okay. So that's right that's true. Yeah it says all four years or voidable. I don't even know what that is constantly agreement. I don't know what we did there. Did they write it out and crayon. I think so so so like things like that. And here's the world. We live in like they're still bad. Agents there are still great agents. Um and and there's great contracts and there's there's that smoke and contract at all the paper looks good but if you fast forward life and in three or five years that you look back at okay how much that really get. You know not good because the team cut them right before and they're supposed to you know that huge spike in In the salary you know so so there are tricks of the trade. And that's and that's the misconception. Right i mean a long before. These guaranteed money isn't gone out of control but before everyone was like. Oh gosh you signed a forty million eur forty million dollars like no before before the tv. I mean very small percentage of those players actually play those out and and god bless them for doing it. But i mean it's you know there's so many tricks in it ugly part you know. That's the the dirty the dirty conversations that take place. Dallas dallas is changing your hair thing. It's doing it again. But the holy cow added. Thank you no problem. I did for there was a good forty. Five seconds. data straight up there see see. I'm just staring at you. Yeah yeah. I understand drawn to right here is just not. I'm captivate not great. But it's for the brand as for by the way the brand what's that local iowa their state of iowa cavern down there but the that's zoom in zoom out high-level conversation that we can have the nobody else can but hold on hold on doubts. Did you did you have numerous agents because then ever gets talked about. Everybody always makes it sound like the players making a bad decision when they decided to move on from the aging. I disagree. I think that there are some agent center separators from other agents and there used to be a protection clause in the nfl pa. I don't know if it's still there were agents can't poach other clients or whatever and it's like well there's not a lot of business conversation in the locker room. How do i know that. Potentially being represented by somebody. That's terrible if i don't get a chance to chat with somebody else i'm not sure if that's changed or not but i feel like that's something that is like almost taboo to talk about but there's good agents and their shit agents. That's just how it is. You know. Dude it's it's scary and and i mean look at where these kids are getting. You know. they're getting hounded as college students. I mean they. They know nothing they they know. I mean know more now than we did. I mean just social media and everything and just kinda you know were gets out in reputation and things like that are a little bit better known but still. There's some snakes in the in the pond but but these kids are getting you know you hate to use the word poached or recruited and all that stuff and you know. Think of what's being said. Then right you know and and what promises and and think. This is the one thing i love like. 'cause we have we have. We had a certain you know couples agents come to university of iowa. And at the time i came out like we were legit. I mean we we have like you know some some some dudes and and so we were kind of You know every team was that are pro day and all that stuff and so agents. Were definitely a knocking on our doors. In paris led a few agents. Come in and talk to us and you know it's it's interesting. How certain styles You know but certain styles attract certain players like for instance one agent felt necessarily all to take clients to vegas and and to do all these things. That's like it's like dude. He's not taking you to vegas on his time. He will get that money from you somehow. Someway i don't don't like you're going to make enough money. You can take your own self debate it and get what you want. you know. it's just it's just. It's just sad to see these players. Kinda get kind of duped into into some some bad situations and and i'm not trying to dog all these age. It's not all of the third. There are some really really good ones. But man i tell you what it there are some bad ones. Where all they see dollar signs when they look at these athletes. And that's not the relationship that athletes should have with their agent. I mean it's it's it's a partnership it it should be more than that. It's a business in any business. Goes whenever both sides are with each other. You know and i now i've had numerous agents and when you're a punter who was also trying to potentially build a network or become something outside of football. That hasn't really happened for the punting position. Before whenever i go talk with an agent or whatever and i would i understood the business at this point already. Done like a stand up tour. I'd already had my own show. I had emerged business. I'd already done marketing. I'd already done all this. I'm going to talk to. These guys are like in football as well. We're going to do it. We're going to get you. The right spot. Mike okay cool. We'll deal with that later. I have thoughts too about the football thing. But let's go off the and then they start laying out their busy. I'm like oh you don't have a clue what you're fucking talking about. And that guy reps like twenty people. My oh god like we do. I tell everybody the guy that you're working with. No it's a very interesting thing right now. It's real saw read. It is real. And the money's real and that's what's drawing all these people and like i said you know it's it's it's a it's a business where you know just Just kinda more moral concept's and you know just kind of values to get easily skewed and and and just kind of ugly it just gets these athletes just you know and i hate to say that the athletes are you know totally blameless and things like that you know because you know the the at least probably barking in there. You're like i deserve this. I you know. I get this and this is what i want. And you know. And they're the middleman and they have to try to please that and then but also dallas. They got business with the person who got to do business later. So is there. Who's who's speaking for. Who their man. Because i relate a message okay. I got relayed a message during my first negotiation. Okay in the message was like hey. I didn't draft you. There is no loyalty here. Whatever and i said we'll send this message back right. So i i said i would like this message relayed back in it was. I thought it was pretty. Well laid out. Fuck you message. You know what i mean like i i thought it was pretty good and i so i asked immediately. I was like did you. Did you send my message back or whatever. I did not do that or whatever i was like. Why not. he's a. We don't want to burn the bridge. While the franchise tag twenty minutes later or something like that there was an entire situation. I'm like i wish i would have said that though. Because maybe you know me hitting the market. Maybe we can come back. Jim irsay the whole business thing but it's just a very they got business is it's business world. That's why you gotta have calves cows because those things you sell them at the fair and you're running what are you got dallas. They won't they won't stab you in the back. No douse do you have any kind of relationship with any current iowa. Tight ends in the league right now and why do you think that so many guys from iowa have been successful at tight end in the nfl or the last twenty twenty five years better than everyone i mean. Do you want me to elaborate. Now next question okay. So yeah i formed I was able to work with tj. And noah fant Just like the dynamic duo of i mean never never again will there be to first tight end or first round tight ends on one team. I mean that just is unheard of. I dare you alabama. I dare you to come on. Let's see let's see you do that but but you know even when a kittle george was coming out You know had good conversation with him and his dad and just talking about what george needs work on and things like that and have continued these relationships in in you know. Obviously i'm always there for him. I told him. I'm like i'm like i'm a nine sixteenths. Rents like if you need you know. I should come to me but i can't. I'm not gonna just checking in. Hey you need to work on this. Or hey i saw this. You know i'm not gonna do that. 'cause nine sixteenths wrench. Yeah okay is that what you guys you guys. Just say that to each other out there and you don't know that like pretty much. Every i mean probably eighty percent of bolt third nine sixteenths and so it's just kind of a. It's just a. It's a rent that you always have time data just talking about other people honestly. You don't need it because you'll call someone. Bill have that is about to give birth. We would also be calling somebody into that rain. Okay well is there more more money than they have. We get this done on. Douse the patriots. A top tight ends with hunter henry and jonnu smith. How much does that benefit the offense to have. Not only one of one guy but two of them. I think i think the patriots had a A long hard look this year at themselves And and and and they had a few extra weeks without being in the playoffs in which is unheard of. And just kinda really you know. i know. there's a lot of people are rejoicing in that you know but obviously as a patriot. If you're a patriot fan you know. You're you're swimming and trying to find land to to land on because right now this. The sturdy ground that they stood on so many years is finally started shaking right. And when i see that what i see is just check kind of going back to their old routes going back to what you know the aaron hernandez rob gronkowski dynamic duo. When they made their palm. Let's hope well. Yeah exactly so so. That's going back to you. Know where they were most dominant where they're more balance where they're most effective is having kind of that too tight end of being able to stay in that set and And really kind of keep defenses balanced. Keep have them be able to do what they wanna do. And kind of call the shots. Where before they just you know they're just find a weapon trying to find someone to the offense on tight end. There's a lotta easy completions. Because you've made some great catches but there's ways that the offense with play action. Everything can set up. Those tight ends which i assume they're going to do. I mean it just feels well when you have to pass receiving but also i mean these. These cats are unique. I mean they're not just hundred percent. Pass receive. I mean both can block the both are both are very adversity Versa versatile jeez helping help me out their pals cows goats cows. Cow's both versatile exactly what you want in that position to be able to not just be that typical y blocker but also you know not just that h guy kind of flexing them out and and not really have to block any defensive manager linebacker so they will be able to do more with that and play off the plaques pass that helps the running game they just kinda. That's that's been the foundation of their offense for for all the years. They won the super bowl. Dallas you're gonna love this. I think okay and okay are you. You're not in there yet. It's gonna take a little bit because there's a lot of guys from the team you're on but going to be a member of the colts ring of honor. Assume at some point right. Are you there yet. No i am. Yeah what have you got any now. There's a long list of way for me. There's a long time you guys were on that team. You guys are on. There's a lot of guys probably that text message group fight against behind you. No no no no way but carson wentz gave his first press conference today speaking as quarterback and there's a couple of quotes. I think you would enjoy. I'm reading them now for the first time because they're coming in literally as we speak went says this is this is live. This is now. News has the daily show dallas is what happens carson part of like new happening now. Do say a couple of days behind now here. We are face today. Network news on time which is great by the shadows. Hey by the way. My feeling won't be able to see this interview until saturday was about to say. Shut everybody in iowa hope. You're having a happy saturday. March madness were in the middle of this thing go. We'll talk about that here in a second but went to saying i'm a competitor and i want nothing but to win in. I know that's the culture here. I am not a perfect human being. I'm gonna make mistakes. I've made some mistakes in the past. But i won't be perfect. I'm telling everyone that rate now for a struggles last season great question a i would like to do different from last year so this is an interesting time because obviously the culture in on matthew stafford allegedly if any of the reports that are normally fully bullshit or true or not. They were allegedly in their carson. Wentz with frank right tie in. Everybody just assumed this was going to happen. It seemed like it was maybe a little bit of negotiation process. He comes to be our quarterback with frank right he has he got in on earth as big boy by the way he came in on earth as big jet dallas. And i i have seen that play in. Actually dallas if i have When peyton sense the picture of him and his son going to the super bowl that's out lane that's not that that's on that plane carson tabloid. I've been on this plane then. Yeah this is the plane. I think you went on. Yeah yeah yep yeah and the getting drafted in the first round deal you get that plane you. Is there an uber right. Hey i actually drove myself thank you. Carl the car's thank. You carson wentz though i mean this is. This is a massive shot by chris. Bowden frank reich. If he's back to playing in his form he could be the quarterback for the next ten years. If he stinks again. Frank increase are going to look. I think this is going to potentially look because expectations for mercy have always been super bowl. Now is even more loud with it. I mean that's his thing. I don't know how this plays out. If he doesn't come back they're just assuming he's going to what are your thoughts on carson wentz. Obviously there has been. There was a lot of film study. There's a lot of discussion with franken. Ballard and and the i mean i think those guys don't make that move unless they feel very very good with what they saw. And and and stirring up the reasons justifying the reasons why mormons by by by winston and and And by carside he you know. I think it's easy to see that things weren't good over there and so you know he wasn't in a healthy spot. He wasn't healthy. Oh it just lots of things you could justify and i think you know i think them signing him put you know kind of obviously decided to what they came up with. They came up with that. Hey this guy has our offensive line. If he has are weapons he has our defense. You know we can win with the guy and and plus the relationship that franken already has with them. I mean it's also the let's go back to last year. I don't know what people are expecting from. Philip rivers but that dude i loved what he did for the colts. I mean i cannot believe came in with the year that we have with kobe. And all that stuff you know. Limited reps limited time down to come in and win to take us to to to the playoffs. Like just was unbelievable. I i obviously we have higher goals. And all that. But i mean i could to philip rivers which coach now that got crushed are so many dreams of ours like early. It's hard to like. Hey awesome him in him in ciphers got me drafted him ciphers actually with the reason he got me drafted literally the year before. Was that game where ciphers had ten inside the or whatever and it you guys you guys lost the san diego at the time or whatever in hunter smith they were like not your fault but we got to do something that was like i was the something that happened to come in there. The whole killer. He just was he. Just lord we'd go out there and just like battles and just could not play with just always anyway. Let's not let's that's great you did carson will do the same that you think are leaving to the playoffs. Get some wins here and then maybe become full-time. Here's a quote. Well i i like what you said before. I like that he could come into you. Know kinda come into his own. I you know i think he still has an you know the fact that you like. I'm not perfect. I'm not you know. I'm just like i'm trying to figure out. Like where has he felt like. He needs to be perfect like this game. You know like i told you. Kickers are the only ones that can be perfect in this game right like three for three like everyone else. All the real athletes were never perfect. That's general it was a great appearance by you know so i. I think he's going to that. That's the upside. Am i still on there. Are we at commercial third talking about talking to myself. I think that's the upside with cars. I think he is young enough where you can kind of you know. You can catastophe like man. He could be the guy he could be our guy he could get back athletic. Let's go. he's athletic. He loves hunting loves it. I think he's gonna love indiana. I think it's it could be but he could still be broken. Dallas ladies and gentlemen legend from iowa in the middle of calving season dallas called for what get wrong. I have to cavs on the ground right now. Just i'm more worried about you. Pat show and your ratings. I mean we got. We got its march. Let's go well. We talk about the hawkeyes. Well the good thing about that is the cavs here this two days from now and they'll understand that it was well worth it because you were off. Thank you gentlemen as dallas. Clark attended calves that are popping out of full law. Macau's we have some breaking news. Somebody got paid. Somebody got broken off. Mike garafolo is reporting former ravens center. Mats gurre is headed to the dolphins on a one year deal. His agent. david cantor says all right. Dolphins gone wrong here. We go here. We go baby go. Hey the unloaded game. We don't need it. We don't want it see you later. Get outta here. You were good not good enough this what we wanna do. We potentially are now a piece of and we've talked about this before and we thought brian flora's was potentially the debunked of this theory With all the we know about bill belgium gay. How out of mind is it to think that he sends to cleveland. barry cleveland. he says matt patricia. detroit to bury. Detroit sends bill o'brien to houston to bury houston down. He's in be float down to miami now. They had iran but it appears as if he's potentially kind of asleep and settle down. He's about to bury. Is that's something that's happening or anybody have success. Once they get josh mcdaniels denver. Or get out of here. I'll go on a plane to india. Delay the head coaching search. Turn back around not doing it. I think is still potentially. I'll orchestrated by bill and that has distinctive when you're in the division and he's doing the potentially bumpy. You don't deserve that out. I mean if this guy does well we'll just pay them and cottam. He'll end up on the patriots next year. Playing against us what we pay him. It's brilliant. Go plan house was starting to ravens for years. And i love it but this van noise thing is so fucking stupid well. Hey there's a plan you just don't understand it. Twenty us now is a man. Who's diehard dolphin. Fan this guy. Yeah wonder if it's still happening hosted the main man podcast and also a man celebrating his birthday. Today ladies and gentlemen dairies button food electric. Hey happy birthday dairies. We appreciate you spending some time here. You're taking in. I don't wanna. I don't wanna be the one you know does the whole aging thing. But you're taking you're taking another trip around sun here. What did we learn lash trip around the sun that we're going to carry into this particular year area so happy. Birthday birthdays are always a great day for reflection dares. What are we taking into the next trip around the big hot fire in the sky so last year actually the whole world shutdown right for my birthday like literally. I had a nice party playing nice little function and everything shut down. So i was like that was the world telling me. Sit down reflect. Oh what's important in high import. I had to shut down the of the guys too. But i learned a lot. I think we all did this last year man but the seriousness family man. Just the people that are important to you obviously experienced crate. Great cool things when wwe. I was a part of the rookie of the year. Old man Just a lot of different started. A pie has got a lot of things going on so Last year was actually pretty good to me man up a very fortunate well. We're thankful that you join our show. I'm thankful you had my back congrats on winning rookie of the year last year. He deserved it. You earned it okay. Let's get into some football stuff here darius. The dolphins look like they are potentially going backwards. Which is a shame for you. But let's talk about some other teams that are making some real moves okay. The new england patriots. The team that drafted you bill belichick. Just dishing out cash. I don't think he's done yet. Do you think there's a chance he's in play for a big trade. There's some patriot fans at believe he's potentially going to go get dish on or maybe even russell. What do you think you see a bill into this you by surprise as it did everybody else has somebody that played for new england at the very beginning of your career. Yeah i don't see them going for big trade especially outshine knitting. Let's go to knowing the nowhere hill. See russell even seattle sorry. I'm you know what. I'm still bullish on cam. Man i think cam another year removed away from the injury. Another a real season. Now josh mcdaniels and actually having some weapons you got the defense coming back as well was new pieces and their team. I'm excited for his patriot. Things met there. i think. I think they're back man. I think they're back just that quick. Hold on now. There's conversations that stefan gilmore has been on the trading block. He has one year left on his contract. They're not gonna pay him what he's gonna command in free agency after this year. That's allegedly why he used potentially going to get traded. Now high now are right. Hightower is the last one remaining of the opt-outs basically after patrick chung retires can and gets traded out there. They're bringing cow van. Noy how you think with the moves that they made in the existing team with cameron using the patriots. All the way back. I got hundred percent. I i would say the pacers right now. Are contender in my book. Got chiefs and after the chiefs. I'm your conversation with the bills. The patriots in my opinion. Because i mean the bills. Don't quit any fear and anybody and i locked are at a good year last year It's not like cameras like some young guy. He's trying to figure out if they play football. He's wondering if he's appeared in the super bowl. He got a lot of talented guys that are used to win and get back in assistant that he's comfortable with. He's back hungry again. I'm sure you got signed green goblin. You've got judah only too tight ends you know how they do it too. Tight instance kind of kind of coming together for the big battle empire aching me. I guarantee you coaches. Gm's around me. Thanks schimdt bricks right now. I mean you're watching this guy who's the most old school guy of all time. Just completely say the old school model that you guys are all doing. It's fucking it's done okay. Kobe has happened. We can just by bring in whatever we want to. We can flux with the salary however we want voidable year's salary cap signing bonuses. We can just make this whole thing a bunch of bullshit. I love what they're doing. There's a player. Though that i would like to get your opinion on who i think you know you will be able to speak about better than most. You played corner in the league. Then you move to. Safety played nickel as well. You basically played everywhere in the back end. That's why the man podcast with you. On antoine bay is awesome. Because you guys have so much so much experience from a position. That doesn't really get talked about that much. Secondary patrick peterson just signed a deal with the vikings for ten million a year. Now for one year for ten million. It was alleged. I would assume those people reporting to the sources that people are looking at him still to be a man man corner. This whole thing. Do you and i watched. Patrick peterson play a lot last year. Because i was a big cardinals fan. I bet on them a lot. Because i thought collar was just electrifying. And he could get going. There was some times where patrick peterson. Last year was not. Patrick peterson okay. There are some times. we're patrick. Peterson was still patrick. Peterson like one of the greatest athletes to ever play the game. Returner wide receiver corner. You know he did everything but do you see this being a corner deal man or do you think he moves a safety you got. What do you think they're going to do with him in minnesota vikings fans are excited for him. I think they should be. But if he's still. I think it's anything like last year. There's a chance something could happen. Yeah he he's brought into a corner. I don't see i know he's a big corner off but i don't see his game into a guy that plays safety. I personally don't see me. I kind of saw with see. Would you saw with other guys. But i don't see plus pat pat kind of going in. And he's a man of man guy and a one year deal obviously. He's made a ton of money over his career. Eight out of the gate for pro bose. He's not that same guy anymore. But he's there to show does young guys got a lot of draft to young corners. I believe last year who struggled which you know young corners will so he's coming there to be. Cb one in life got gladly. Who's who's a good player coming out. See you and i think they got the kid out of mississippi state is world can think of his name but two good young corners. You got to come in and play position. Smith and safety planet a very high level. You got a free agent. So he's coming there to be a piece for that defense he listened. I have the utmost respect for patrick peterson. We changed our entire punning style because he was returning punts like a letter but last year he felt like the potential island. -ness of patrick peterson was going to change as you get older. Is there a chance that you just have to like. Is there a conversation to have. You're like okay. I can't play the exact same that played maybe two or three years ago because corner. You have to be the greatest athlete on the field. You're reacting to the other greatest athletes on her there. We know what they're doing. It's set up for you to fail. You just have to react and read and everything like that as you get older. I think there's a chance at that. Could change right and wrong in thinking that in due to kinda maybe just that because he is great one of the greatest athletes we've ever seen it definitely changes like you say you can't expect is to do what what is done forever. He's done it for a decade. He was a guy who traveled with number once he went. You know right left in the slot and wasn't a lotta guys doing that on reverse widower here and there but wasn't a lot of guys look pepsi there for a long time but it does come a point in your career where you know. You can't beat guy anymore. You have to have that conversation with yourself. First and foremost obviously the coaches and the schemes. and things like that Have has to fit as well. But i think You know pat p. Still a very good. He got a one year. Deal for ten million. You know quarterback. Starting quarterbacks now are getting ten million to play with their salary cap so he's getting good money so they still expect a lot out of them. I still expect to have a good year. But i definitely don't expect you know the p two year four year five one by the way. You can't just like zero to do that. i think i watching him. You know just the way since. Lsu i mean he was just he was awesome. He never gets talked about by the way p to patrick. He never gets talked about right in in all conversation i think because he just does. His work does his thing in last year. I think a couple of games. I watch i was like that's not that's not. Oh it is okay that that is. I didn't expect that. Because i mean i'm excited. He doesn't minnesota and by the way. That's a very defensive minded place so it's not like they're just throwing darts at like. Oh i hope he's still now they they feel he's going to be. I hope so because he was awesome to watch play when he got connor. Deborah now that you have broken down sam darnold. Can you please tell us. Does he has offense of coaches say. Stink he kind of good. Yeah we need to hear this by the way because we feel there's a chance that there's an nfl offensive assistant who potentially watch the show and also listened to what you said. He stinks broke five. They're doubting their trust me. They're definitely dot into the show definitely listening but he's he has talent as as of right now sam darnold's thinks he's thinks he's one of those guys who needs everything around him to be pretty good damn near great. Which you know doesn't make me feel great when you're talking about the quarterback position usually we play with a guy like andrew. Luck for instance like you. Drop angela on any team. He's gonna make everybody on that team better so i won't put sam darnold that book. You guys aren't that book he can go to the system like i said everything kind of has to be in place around him. He definitely has the talent. And you see you watch the film. You make some plays where it's like. Wow i can see why number three overall pick. But then he makes too many plays that are draft killers as a quarterback. You want in drive kicks extra point field goals a punt and sam. Donna has way too many drives terrible position that phillies turns the ball over so he has to limit those just learn. I don't see that learning curve really taking place on saying that consistency level. It's exciting. there's chances but then there's headed decision now. The thought though about the dummy decisions decisions everybody says while he feels as if he's the only player on the team he feels as it blah blah blah. If you don't buy us bullshit. Nah because i i watched the film on the film if you watch it most of the places that are broke down almost place that i went over. Obviously i'm not going to play but most of the players will from clean pocket plays there were good. Claes call there will guys open if you watch like the dolphins game for instance there were. There were kind of like a flavor of the week team where they ran third down. Everyone is similar concepts and they ran the send concept three times in a row. Same guy was open. Three times a touchdown in the first time for big game wasn't choice now saying the last two times throwing the ball so just go see surface and they say this happened okay. The next time painting season he's gonna hit that ga you just don't see that with With darn well you know. Also though see also the guy who's potentially telling him how to break down defenses was adam gates. Did you see adam gates in the film at all. Did you see any adam gates in his adam gates getting too hard of rap because the thought is that you just had a guy was open three times in a row is adam gazes offense potentially manageable and tannehill and darnell were just terrible. It deserves everything he got out got. We thought so too. He's not he's thanks to. You're coaching peyton manning. But i think the big thing with was more so about his management of the actual men in the personnel more so than xs ex. You're all good coaches. You gotta have players that are going to buy into you and what you're selling and i don't think as did a good job of that that's such a big part of coaching to it. In it you can only really. It's hard for me to now. Listen that guy that did that opening press conference in philadelphia who came from the colts. What name syria. He goes less less thinking more athletes. Whatever and they're like it was a bad press conference that whole thing. I'm like i understand. It's a bad press conference but that's also the first image that every player on that team has of that coach. And we you can't you can't put a number or stat on a team buying in like you cannot. You can't put that on that. If that person has that press conference my immediate thought is all this is probably gonna be bad day to day probably bad. Speaking which by massive part of the coaching thing is speaking. So i mean. Don't figure it out. Go figure it out but the team buying in is a massive ordeal. It never gets talked about does i. I would put too much on the press conference. He says the first time up there but the first time you walk in front of that team on that team meeting obviously like you said you gotta be in front of the team. You know multiple times a week and the team has all those grown has got by you and we've been on teams where it gets to a certain point. Where so does the coach gets up there. And it's like are nothing and enough enough enough. I who made some money who got signed. The chargers have their replacement for hunter. Henry as they have agreed to terms a free agent jared cook sources said he gets a one year deal. Where six million with a spelling error in his tweet. Ian rapoport at four point five million dollars fully guaranteed good break their rappaport the width though so close. Nice to know that you're typing out. All of these tweets. Though jared cook goes to the chargers justin herbert who's going to be an absolute start out there with a new offensive system now gets a great wide are a great tight. End who has been sturdy. For a longtime jared cook now with the chargers four point five million dollars fully guaranteed good for him darius and good for the chargers these wide receivers golladay ju. Ty still out there antonio brown there's a lot of a lot of guys have been signed. Okay kendrick bourne. We get that. Aga- lar- unbelievable turnaround there. Why do you think the will fuller's the days the jews. Why do you think that hasn't been settled yet darius if you had to guess i mean my personal opinion. Is you build a team. I'm not dumping a bunch of money to the wire receiver until one wire. Receiver does not a good investment to build a team number one corner here by coming in and they're more. Nfl already. probably any other position. You know the you look back on these classes. You look at justin jefferson and all these guys they're coming in the league and everybody hit the ground running. So i can get a guy in the second third fourth round going to come in and give me similar production you know why would pay guy sixteen seventeen eighteen million dollars now. These guys get paid of course made. I'm sure that's in the thought process of these organization. I love that you're man-to-man podcast talk about. Secondary did not spend a lot of money on these receivers. I do like that. That is but then you whenever you came back on the other side. There with these rookies are ready to go. I hadn't even thought about that. And it is so real. They put out those instagram video. Are coming out of breaks at fifteen now like at the age of fourteen thirteen. They're working on coming out of bricks and everything like that. There's a chance that these guys it's only gonna get better and better as we go. I think i didn't even think about that. From team management perspective. How much you like jerry. Jeudy we we had saving howard park. Has who is the toughest jerry. Jeudy a rookie with drew lock. Your quarterback was the first guy that came into mind because judy has a rookie. Came into the league was probably a top five route one already. So that's kind of unheard of. Nobody comes to the league in is like justin. Jefferson was probably a top six seven receiver last year as a rookie and so it is hard to spin that type of money on a guy and a receiver position. Such a dependent position as well. You need a good online block quarterback you need a good play caller in venue. You hope you receive catch the ball. So like i said i want these guys get their money. But that's probably was was kind of suppressing this market. I want everybody to make a billion dollars someday. I want everybody to lose everything they ever want. But you're you because working on your cuts and breaks has become a cool thing to do like what makes you. An elite receiver has become like a cool thing to do. Like omg. get my footwork in or whatever. It's your footwork is gonna make millions of dollars to by the way it's like. Oh yeah but we're doing it for content it is. You've got these high scores during this shit with their feet. They used to talk about lynn. Swann right he was a ballerina. Or whatever and you got other wide receivers. They play soccer so there are good now. These guys are training their footwork in like ten eleven twelve years old. It's probably yeah. It's only gonna get more if they don't even know that that's what they're preparing for way. They're just they're doing that. they're just doing that. Because it's like a cool thing to do and then all of a sudden need you to run eleven yards exactly and then you need to cut back at all no problem. It's like a stick in d- d butts over there turn his his. Oh no. i'm back out of here. What are you going to route the rules. Just make it easier for them year in year out and get hit the same. You can't touch them. The quarterbacks are getting better. they're getting more protecting so scary for those dvd's but a good time time to talk about db's great-aunt great time. Yeah i realize that. A couple games in arrests awesome returners running like four threes past pawners. Manson breakdown talk about happy. I'm not actually out there doing that. What do you do see butts. So patrick pearson richard sherman. Both reagents will not anymore share. Our peterson sign. But peterson who was primarily man corner early in his career sherman zone. Is it easier for man. Quarter to stay in the league longer. Because he can then become his own corner later. And then sherman has to fit into a system perfectly. Yeah exactly exactly because you can definitely become. You can become as you kind of saw. That what he's ever arose. Davey rose play majority man in minnesota and then he went on signed a one year. Three million dollar. Deal chris ballard hyphen as we've got him there and he revived his career. No playing more zone. Once you understand football you understand the concept. Hopefully you've been well coach. You can definitely become esl zones about knowing where you help is knowing your drops know how. You're going to be attacked. And that's why. Richard sherman has been so good for so long but there are also still systems out. Richard sherman fit in in. The jets are gonna run. A similar system obviously got coaching near the colts. You know certain systems dr onto call. You'll go and say we ain't paying anybody. I just got. I just got quote as doing press conference right now. He says The colts are being prudent with the due to the losses in revenue impacting the cap for the next three years. There's extensions on the horizon to via kevin bowen who works here ten seventy the fan the local. Espn radio affiliate. I won't say. I thought we were dumping bring struck out here to go. Get a couple of super bowls. What do we do. we don't want to hear. Hey jim. I love mercy. Eta gave me a plane out of nowhere. Fucking love this man. But that quote must've been taken out of context. This man will buy a drum set. If it's three million dollars the people's back together what what are you saying. They have all the cap space this year. Then next year the projected to be number two at one hundred twenty seven million dollars in cap space and then for twenty three. If we're looking at six we gotta get to a break reglazing gentleman please say thank you to the birthday. Man darius bothers thank you. You're awesome joining us. Now is a man. That'll cheer his team on tomorrow. As the school that he graduated from as a distinguished member of their alumni battles. Against oral roberts for a big win which we have all bet on basically in from here in indianapolis all over we're talking about from dayton to youngstown and cleveland. In all the towns inbetween ohio state legend will be saying h top guys. Good to be with you man how you doing a jayhawk scotch. Mike god happy. Thursday pat happy thursday to you. Did you guys are playing tomorrow. Night against oral roberts. I'm not sure if you know that march madness basketball team is playing. I don't know if state opponent doesn't matter it's about us oh yeah interesting interesting he said nameless faceless opponents i i had a lot of people that believed in that and then we started diving. Deeper bill belichick. He's like no. We need to know the names. We'd also like to other faces. We all know what they're good at what they're not gonna. We are changing every single week. Now he's adjusting the entire free agency thing some quotes. Come out from jim. Irsays press conference. That got me a little bit conflicted. Aj i would love to see that but it's a good point you actually make about bill. Check right like it's not. It's not only about our team. It's about taking advantage of the match ups. We have no matter what sport you're playing. Yeah because you have some coaches that say nameless faceless opponents. Okay if we're our best us. It doesn't matter who we're playing against. I think that's a great mentality. That works bill belichick. Greatest coach of all time does not believe in that at all. That is not his thing. I'd like to know everything about the person we we actually want to know more each week as opposed to less it though some fascinating conversation we can get into for sure. But i'd like to move the conversation to the indianapolis colts right now. Aj team that you know has grossly overpaid to kick balzac lot of success. There's conflicting reports about jimmer say in in his in his press conference about what he wants to do free agency. I kevin bow of formally of the colts. He used to write for the colts. Now he's on ten seventy the fan down here in indianapolis. he says. The colts being prudent with the cap due to the losses in revenue impacting the cap for the next three years points out the extensions on the horizons as well which is quinton nelson darius leonard. I guess a couple of other guys. Okay so do you think if irsays thinking this he's not the only one that's saying things like this hour assume there's a lot of owners that are very understanding about the amount of money that normally comes in the pnl's the profits and loss. I'd believe there's a lot of owners that are thinking to themselves okay. We got to be a little bit different. He said it now who knows if he means or not but he said it. Other people are thinking that we're craft is going. Hey you remember how much money we used to make when we were winning last year stuck. Let's go ahead and go all in fascinating this see the two different sides of the coin. Aj yeah it is through the patriots. Do they have those young studs that they're going to have to give. Max deals to basically coming up in the future. Well jarrett stidham you know. Don't keen perhaps depending on how many shows this year we actually talked about anti the market. But we talked about this in. This was something. Connor was actually like flexing. He was like everybody says bills bad at draft and folks. Well we don't have to fucking pay him do we. We don't have to pay these these people on the horizon for the future. You know you have to prepare for the future whenever you draft. Somebody like for instance. When i was being negotiated with my contract the andrew luck contract was being waved over my head during the entire. Well we gotta save room. You know because we're going to have to pay andrew in Jim mercy already tweeted that that's going to be the most expensive contract in history which times have changed. Apparently but i would assume auto owners are thinking that way in the owners that have real cash right now are like craft has cash cash. Right he has. Let's go we can go. And you look at a guy down. The panthers allegedly therein for like every. It's it's interesting separating the two different teams styles and that's why the deal so awesome because you pay them. Obviously it's up to fourteen million but it's pretty cheap contract quarterback you can spend anywhere else to help make him better so and they allegedly over paid for all these players right. That's what everybody's saying. If they win did they do the matter. Did it matter if they doesn't matter. It doesn't matter restructure when they need to a couple of years from now if they win next year this year and the next year. Hey it obviously worked out. Think about free agencies going forward from this moment. Aj think about everybody in the nfl. That watch in as been watching. What did in kansas city with the amount of money he's given out to the amount of people in the contractors. Give out what the patriots just did. What the saints have been doing now granted. They had to cut a lot of players but the way they have contracts what the tampa bay buccaneers have been doing all these salary. Cap people that every. Nfl team has are gonna watch. These teams are doing with these fake numbers. These fake salary cap hits the way they've been able to maneuver around this. This is potentially didn't become something where i hope it leads to more teams. Make it just. It feels like this to be something that could be. The change of how contracts are set up for the foreseeable future until potentially gets changed. Is it was it corona that caused us to like all of a sudden all these teams using these voidable years like in how long have have team's been using this in contracts because now it's finally coming to light. Well i guess it's always been something we have to remember that the nfl in the nfl. Pa came to an agreement because of covid that there was the ability to have a difference from year to year salary of more than twenty five percent. Which i guess used to be a rule in that comeback into place and how that work but the voidable year thing. I guess it's been around everybody that's talked to us. That's been in the know. Allegedly they said it's been around but it's just come to the forefront because of the way the salary cap moved there but how are they going to cause you just kick the thing you kick that four years down the road you re sign you kick that another four years. That's you just keep kicking it down the road right. Don't you just continue to do that forever. And that kind of what you do you kick it down the road to the next yelm who comes in when you get fired three years from now being gather some information coming in on mariota. Ian rapoport is tweeting. That decision is coming. The raiders asked. Qb marcus mariota. To take a pay cut down to just three million this year source said and if he refuses team will move on while he released is likely the team has been able to trade players. They would cut that remains possible. He is do ten point seven to five million dollars. Which if you're in a quarterback search and you don't know your quarterback is ten point. Seven five million dollars isn't bad but i believe it comes. Twenty if he starts right that becomes twenty million dollars a feature started. That's how the contract is set up in the past few days to players which is what rapoport was alluding to two players. Were cut from the raiders. Then they thought they were going to the open market. No no actually. You're being traded to another team so that has happened. Maybe somebody will trade for marcus mariota. But that twenty million dollar. You're not trading ten point seven five million dollars in your building if you don't think he's a starter and if he's a starter it's twenty million so i soon this is going to be a release in marcus. Mariota joins us frantic. Free agency frenzy digs. Do you say he gets released. Would you take him over camera. Andy dong he's talking about me. I don't know let's ask. Let's ask one of the guys. Who has that as quarterback. Would you take marcus. Mariota dover nowhere to no really i would he would. I know i don't know. But i sure hope that marcus doesn't it does not entertain time cut down three million dollars. He knows if he gets out. He's gonna make more than you can come this kid like. Hey congratulations you only need one. Half to prove what you had to prove in las vegas you what you want to las vegas to do. You did congratulations. It took one half in primetime game. Everybody now sees oh we can go back and look at the footage from marcus mariota. When he was at the titans we can watch that half. he still has it in their. Something's going on you know it's just mike. Garafolo is tweeting. A follow up to the ian rapoport. Tweet mariota believes. He has options on the marker another smelling. Expose market if the raiders. Let him go. So i'd expect you'll hold firm here. Yeah we would hope so as well. We would hope so as well now. Granted last year quarterback market dried up very wet waited until every team filled their court like till the bear. Sign dalton to do this and we talked about this yesterday. How this doesn't get mentioned a lot. The timing of the cuts could potentially be massively asshole ish to potential free agent. That's about to happen because the money's already gone. Aj mike if they just came to marcus and over the last few days and ask them to take a pay cut. Yeah then the timing is very like you don't need. They don't need to do that if they know that he's probably not going to be there. Yeah they don't have to. There's no rules like doesn't have to be fair. We know that but it would have been. If you're mariota. It would have been nice to be on the market a little bit earlier. What do you got. There is one spot. Left of joe burrow isn't ready to start the season he could start for the bengals money. This who did. Jim irsay spirit hop over to cincinnati coach. You're gonna stay forever. Whoa whoa don't you say they're just going to hold onto money in the last ten good right now. It's already a good team. I o o t for next year. There's no guarantee you're going to the playoffs again. Yeah that core nucleus is going to go. The plan team is good. What we're trying to do. Is i think might be the only person i guess that is viewing it. This way in the city that i currently reside we should be trying to figure out how we get to the super bowl because that team that nucleus that squad. Who knows what's going to happen. Some they say big signings are on the horizon. What if they don't sign them. What did they hit the market and go somewhere. I mean wh- more. We can't live in our fears. You figure out how to score touchdowns before you figure out how to go to the super bowl. This season cams go- more than eight. I think we can just run into twelve personnel. There you have to run it. I mean they'll be able to demonise screens guys. We have run. You have at least four weapons on that team that can be in the screen game. I mean that is just. That's that's a kill shot be handed the ball off to jonnu smith and he's going to be in six yards of carrier kidding in your play action. I think in hunter. Henry is just going to be slipping on the other bra. I mean you can. You're right it does set up well for the screen game but you also have to have some downfield threats to set up brought in on like aguilar but like they're allegedly in conversations will fuller is what they're going to sign will fuller is well. It's like this is awesome. Out of bill belichick. A lot of people obviously hate this and you can judge which players they decided to bring in or whatever but bill belichick academy very vivid plan. Okay here's our plan. This craft said do whatever the hell you wanna do you spend. We are not doing what we did last year ever again. Okay that we do not stink ever again. We're not do whatever money you need. Do whatever you gotta do build up and build budgets. You got it. We're gonna spend every dollar you got. It might work like hey. I know you can't win games. In march i understand this overreaction all this shit but what does this works which i'm tending to believe that it will not now super bowl is going to be tough especially with the other teams but at least bills getting into the game. You know we've seen all these moves at the patriots have done. Do you think there's a chance that anyone in new england has kind of put the feelers out to see if they could find a way to acquire like a russell wilson. Well i guess the shawn watson also potentially going to be moved to everybody saying like us or scenario now darius butler who was drafted to new england then in the playing for the panthers and the coats is where i get you instant meet him. He said he doesn't see some sending to watson to the patriots or whatever but that goes back to how. How is our theory that bill belichick actually census area down and jackie's re down there and map patricia. Detroit and mangini. The cleveland and brian flores. The miami and everything else that has ever happened out from underneath the bill. Belichick tree just did another deal last hour sending ryan izzo down there for seven th overall pick trade a lot. They're doing this call. Mcnair have been busy. He used to be what you say. Oh yeah i forgot all about. It's getting bad it's getting ugly down there if it's real justice if not like just as loud as it currently is and we will talk about it as you know it proceeds. That's right so we are as answer. Certain on bias journals bingo. Take the journal journalist on buys people in humans humans title. aac hour-long. Kansas city did not say that yesterday. Yeah i'm very pumped for him him. I wonder if he realized what interests there would be an him. Whenever he came out of retirement. I wonder if he maybe under soda to himself. Or whatever goes over to las vegas and there is tweets like. I can't believe las vegas. Let him out of the building. We just assume that while he was in that building he was getting a lot of text messages. Like yo yo yo yo yo. There is a lot of teams right looking for you his quote today after signing with the chiefs was it's it's a little bit different over here. Something i forget. What is exactly what was but he was long on visit to kansas city. As opposed to vegas via herald are counts. I don't think so. I don't think that's H. a. r. l. l. k. u. n. Teasing got wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're saying the guy's name is harry. Listen that. I didn't say that's his name his parents. Did you know i'm just telling you what the tweet is. Because i am herald with that last name herald would be off the list before the kid was even born high. Listen harold does not deserve okay. Could've named your kid. Mike in would have made everything much better for that. Bracket my bracket is a form of my cock with some numbers. Michael johnson michael hawk. Heywood are the reaction. I guess i did not say. I think it's okay normally. Let's move that's on me. i apologize. I deny coon had. He'll started with you okay. So that's how. It's supposed to just remember that. I think you got it right. The first l. herald but he does great work okay. He says that long on visit to kansas city as opposed to vegas kyle long says it becomes apparent that things are different. Here hashtag chiefs. I would assume so. I would assume that's the case i would assume one team has an owner that is like pumped about their team and other teams have an owner. That doesn't have much money. It seems like an essential situation going on. I mean i could see how one team's been back to back super bowls but that wanting did beat the other team. So i mean maybe the cow along anytime you walk into a championship organization. You feel it you know. It's very obvious when you walk in the building right. Aj it's expected. There's a different feel to it because you have like all those guys and people in the building that have done it. They've been there and that's just what they expect like. They're not trying to squeak into the playoffs like they know. Hey you walk in there. There's a there's a weird feeling to a place where hey these these regular season games. This isn't what it's about. This is just a set us up who we ultimately want to go. Yeah these games matter okay. Of course because without these we don't get to the next step but if we're playing football much differently than than we are now working with that as well if we're change if we change and get better. That's why whenever you talk when bill talks in post thanksgiving is really like the i. Guess a couple of patriots clermont. Mike post thanksgiving is really when they feel as if training camps. Almost done like okay. We figured out our team now. Now we gotta go in a run that is just a very different mindset. Assume a lot of places. Jim caldwell peyton that whole crew with allison who was on earlier out in the middle of iowa with you know i'd say scratchy service agent hawk action. Aj hawk like connection in the middle of ohio. Whatever i think you in dallas would love each other by the way if you've ever met personally but like whenever we wanna game it was just way to go business as usual here okay. Let's move on. We'll see tomorrow team on three one. Two three whatever we lost the game was like okay. Here we go. Nobody deal team on three. We'll see you tomorrow. We're going to get this thing right. let's move on. That type of idea is not one that any coach can do. The reason why jim caudill was able to do that because tony dungy did that because they had a lot of success. And you got to that point. I think building that to get to that point not necessarily always gonna be business-minded but once you get to that point you can never lose that you can never lose that culture and i think that is something that i hope. The kansas city chiefs never have to learn. I got a chance to kind of see the colts transition into a very different culture. It was almost like thing. And i was always like man. I wish this particular team could have experienced what i got to fortunately experienced the first four years of my career three years of my career. You know like. I as i got older. I remember thinking back to that. First crew like okay. How would this this. Lean on it. You know what i mean in once we lost that whole group. It was very difficult to get back. I think they're getting there now. But let's say open the pocketbook takes too long. Relax if you lose that it takes too long to build that back up to get like. It's there's probably going to be. 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You know we do appreciate you coming on. We think you're baller. We'll talk about your life as well. But i would like your thoughts on something. It's happening pretty topical here. Matthew stafford is going to the los angeles rams night. The guy who wore number nine put out a nine minute video via the detroit. Lions which basically was emotional. It was a beautiful watch. Evan fox diehard lions van damme. your. I almost cry me so there was. Yeah yeah me too. I got a little. What if there's a lot of people i think are about to be introduced to matthew stafford. 'cause when your quarterback for the lines are not necessarily on prime time television all the time except for maybe thanksgiving. He's an absolute stud. And i think a lot of people are about to learn that. Do you feel the same way as somebody that was shared a field with him. For what six seven years or whatever in detroit and he got mad they gotta gotta go be unbelievable down man on the la. He's a very talented man. Smart guy he will work hard and He's a great leader. Man lead by example. He approached practice. The right way Like i never seen it. professionals is a long time and he. He's he's the man what is what do you think he's gonna do to that team. And that offense obviously he and mcveigh both guys of alpha personalities. But it seems like stafford. Also is one of the tougher quarterbacks ever to play the game i know he played with. What a broken back. Like what do you. What do you think he does instantly for that office. Up thinking to bring a lot of like know accuracy. Deep ball guy He will carry a team man go he could take any low In low you wanna give him you know. Click gays comeback. Like i said for longest man. Staffer was only missing a great defense in our Around half a great defense. Becky continue to get the ball back when i was at time. Stafford was putting up thirty points. Defense flutie given up thirty points to as well so but guy that got a defender keeping twenty point under seventeen points under yes tap. Wanna put up clear. A thirty points easily. Isn't that something that's pretty interesting is. We're talking to darius like corner for the philadelphia eagles. Now isn't that something interesting to think about in this is coming from a corner. Who's on defense. Is that a thought. Hey if we keep them under twenty points are guys going to be able to get an. Is that a goal going into each game. Hey now greenwich last shutout. We want this but the realistic like. Hey if we keep this under twenty. There's a good chance guy's gonna get that. Is that something that actually goes through your mind yet. Easily may cause you know a you see the work definitely with guys like staffer. Long enough man. He gets hot seagoing man. He's unstoppable star any kind of way Making the easiest Hardest make look easy. And you know that's always a defense go to have a team on the twenty. Most of the guys honestly as a quarterback league wants big status scoreboard up. I'm not going to ask you about the drama. That's been surrounding your team. Because there'd be incredibly unfair to you. You're not involved in that but jalen hurts appears to be the quarterback going into next year for you guys. What did you see. Jalen that makes you think like okay. This guy is going to be our guy. There was moments of greatness out there. I don't think everything was as smooth on offense as out of the ball last year as we would hope. But what do you think like philadelphia. Eagles fan should expect from jalen hurts. That you've seen behind the scenes. It's like hey this is. There's a reason this guy's going to be our guy now because he's a great leader as a young guy came to a chip on her shoulder. honestly man no disrespect carson. But he always felt like that was his spot. You know Causing the great guy but he came into the yoga came into the room into basic on. Take over to the office. You know as Why not disrespect me. Just as in i want to come compete against you to become this guy and i want to be the face at his team. He always had a ball always had drive in that kind of separate a lot of guys that you know. He was kind of just determined. You know is competitive. Why not disrespectfully. It just like mom. Okay to compete. You're the best rocky for the team. That's all were you surprised at all. Were any teammates surprise to see him. Like what's he like that from day one Well we already saw that. He had a lot of swagger about him ignored college. That's what we use as the term. Now as you see a goddess plan college boy he got a lot of sway. You carry yourself the right way and you can see in alabama and he you ever had to take no game bitch at a at a taleban. Dan going over. The numbers being heisman candidate. You know so. He had a lotta drive yet. A lot of a lot of stoudt loves to prove he. He's ready to prove it right now. We gotta stop the fake swagger. Don't we don't you think that's potentially an epidemic as well. Yeah they gotta stop sometime. Well how are you spending your off season. What are you doing right now. Are you still in the philly area. Are you back home. I just got back to philly actually. Now let's talk about working out getting ready to get back going that building from outside of it. It seems like it's on fire. I mean this is just from the stories that have gotten out and the only stories that get out our negative. I mean that's just the only stories that really get out our negative. That's the way the businesses we don't necessarily love it. We try to keep his posit possible but coming on philly a lot of negative with the carson wentz situation. Doug peterson gone. new head. Coach has a press conference. That is completely botched. I mean it did not go fantastic. Have you talked to the new head coach. Have you gotten a chance to kind of meet. Maybe new coaches. And how do you feel about the season going in. Feel good man. I met with all the coaches have taught man looking forward to seeing what they could bring to the table. Men helping me. Elevate my game than have must elevate as a as a team so You know. I got high hopes man. They come in there with a lot of energy and You know the first thing. I talked to manage managers base say. Football's will be fine and that's what it's all about having fun. It was a good though. Pretty smooth like the way he was way better than his. That's what i was trying to get to your. I didn't wanna come out. I appreciate getting there. Yeah because if i saw that press conference i'd be looking at that. My i got some questions here now. How this guy nice to know that. It's a smooth compensation football being fun less thinking more athlete takeover. That is really good news for everybody. Aj what you have. And darius i know in two thousand seventeen you led the league in picks. Was that your best year if you look back like overall or other years that you've played better but they just didn't get opportunities. We know how to times as a corner. They're not gonna throw your way. Well that was always my year. Really have eight gates. You know but I'll say meet has been my spot a lot of time of the year after that man. Remember three picks up and over my most technique. You're not really all locked in in going to get some elite guys in his In his game in a winning battles sisley here anyhow so no container. Keep getting better. And that's what i'm trying to do this to dominate this game. If you don't want best. I was just remind you do dominate games by the way. You're unbelievable in. I think everybody's very surprised at detroit traded you for a bag of balls. That was something that was married for those of us that understood football they immediately gave you an extension page you. I mean it was awesome in Digs send us a tweet that you restructured your contract. Help out the eagles. You're a hero. How come we're not not guy. How did how did that come to be. How did that conversation go and right now. It seems like this is the new thing everybody's doing. Are you expecting to potentially do this in years to come as well. Was that a part of the conversation. Whatever needs to help the team You know i'm a winning. I like i said i- eagles been in a big moment. Big time games only went to the playoffs twice. You know win. you know. make sicily. I'll go to the playoff here in west all the time. They have his team out. So if i got to know restructure some moves around willing to do it. Is you know. I wanna win. I wanna spend them big moments now. I want confetti trying to trying to whatever they need to do i love. It taught audio darius the patriots got your guy mills this offseason. What type of players you're to be for new england. Do you think a great hard worker. I'm happy man. He wanted the hardest workers in secondary very detailed very lot. Dan very talented man. Very russell you go to corner nichols safety. Whatever you want him to do he can do it. And you'll get used his best s effort at it. So you know pitchers got a good guy man. You're still with us. You know so we could use a happy got money deserve deserve every penny of it and looking forward to seeing how you look on own other side digs darius. It's been reported. That kenny golladay is going to visit giants today. Are you pump. The be potentially going up against one of your former teammates twice a year. And what's he dude. Is he a dude. he's dude right. Oh he's a guy man. What of killing Kennedy adult and he should have come over here to philly but he had all but he goes into new york mansion. He no time to go out. There is going to be a battle you know for showing we follow him and i know all his i is that something. Do you talk during the game now. Told me you know on on really do that. S too much. Waste got gotta do too much running and chasing somebody hopeful. You're talking to you too much every bit. Okay so this said last year by the dallas cowboys safety use it instead of using his inside voice. He used his outside voice and said this to the press but he was like. There's no way. I can try hard on eighty straight plays or something you know and by the way that's probably a thought that has had a lot of people in the secondary in there's moments you can hide it but him him saying that publicly cowboys fan so like all these guys think guys. That'll try hard. Or whatever but that led to a conversation on this show. And i think a lot of people may be potentially or intrigued by you guys in the secondary corners. Safeties everything you guys don't really rotate much that is not on receives rotate man. No they got guys that come in there and give you the dummy route. When they run the ball they go full speed. Gonna go rhino reason just to get you got come back in. And they know. Julio jones landau fresh water all man i need to get a root route. You know so. That's that's the that's the that's the ticket man. That's the hard part. So you know. So a i'll i'll take out but you gotta understand. The game is situation. Are you gotta know the the situation in the game. You didn't just tell eagles fans that it's impossible for you to try harder on travel and every single but that's real it's a real thing though like whatever that conversation. I don't think it really happened until that moment because a lot of people obviously had come out and defensive guy like hey listen. This is what he meant. This is a real thing and ever gets talked about. How do you stay. Cardio condition like are you just naturally more and as you guys are running literally miles and you have to react. You have to react to the greatest. How do you train for that or you. Just like a super conditioning. Peleton out there. You've got coach's coaching up each body. Part i gotta show. I got be the best state Do way more running listening for sure. So trying to keep weight off my back. So i do a lot of run into Pretty well conditioning. You know definitely with your team play a lot of man you gotta be real shake four in And that's why i've been here for. Last year's tina's play men a lot saw ghana conditioning. Going patrick peterson signed with the vikings. Were ten million dollars per congrats the patriot. He's a man of maine corner though. So i believe that is probably somebody. There's not a lot of guys out there that whole thing but there comes a time i would assume and you're i would assume you're not near there or anything like that but presby corner you gotta be in shape. Be the most in shape person. You have to be the quickest person. You have to know what the other person's doing or you're going to get bombed on or or whatever as father time comes into place how do you. How do you adjust. Is that something you'd have to do mentally or is that something is there any of those moments where it's like. I have to change my game a bit or is that something you can't do as a man to man corner now as as actually as a bb you know the older you get out on you get smarter you know so. The game becomes slower. You start read concept because concept. Don't change from saint saint casa from like nineteen sixty curl flat on ohio smith flat. He'd be gone. Also where's the theon was land saw the cost of nago change just the talent laws changing so you just gotta beat god to the punch me get to that old age Petty you know He's gifted bear gift in And he's very smart a- game is still the same him so they aim is nine catching up now now. Don't tell all the time it gets retire. Well he'll be retired rich man. As will you gentlemen. Gary say we can't thank you enough for choosing. Listen to the show the fact he will allow us to do this alongside you every day five days a week. 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