17 Burst results for "Van Greg"
"van greg" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"The court says the government possessive evidence of conspiratorial planning need not wait until buildings and tunnels have been bombed and people killed before arresting conspirators. Cordingley, it is well established that the government may criminalize certain preparatory steps towards criminal action even when the crime consists of the use of conspiratorial or exhortatory words. So yes, there is a very, very narrow category of speech in which you get together your cellmates and say, here's how we're going to plant bombs at the. Cradle right here's how we're going to engage in terrorist activities, and then if they've wiretapped you for other rewrite, the government can arrest you for that. But I have looked through I can't say that there are two hundred, ten cases that site section twenty, three, eighty, four, I've read thirty of them, and I can tell you with one weird exception involving a guy who is a drug dealer that I can't find anything about its case called the US versus Ns. Nis from the district of Massachusetts in two, thousand and six. So I'll I'll crowd source that out to Oa listeners. A guy named Stephen Nicholson and I I can't there was another Stephen Nicholson and I've been I spent like two hours down this rabbit trail trying to do the. Ralph. facebook. Well I would not from this guy on facebook. Okay. So that's the one exception. This Guy Stephen Nicholson from two, thousand and six. Other than that the only time this statute has been deployed in modern history. Has Been against terrorists has been against the nine eleven hijackers co-conspirators including Abdallah higazy right has been against the World Trade Center co-conspirators. In the one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty s it was against a group called the United Freedom Front also called the Ohio seven. which was a left wing organization that would rob banks and then take the money from robbing the banks to buy bombs to then bomb like, Exxon, Mobil or wasn't. It was just Exxon headquarters back then federal buildings. It was mostly property damage that they did but but they did like blow up Federal Building with people inside that that wounded like twenty, two people and and and some of their officers killed a police officer at a traffic stop right so again. We are talking about activities that are an order of magnitude removed and all of the intent removed from. Protesting right. Even if you're ad protest where somebody you know lit a garbage can on fire or graffiti a wall brick again, we've been clear on the spot guest don't do that. Those are crimes that is not the kind of thing I mean I read you the decisions here. That is not the kind of thing that remotely rises to the level of conspiratorial planning of the sort that you need to charge somebody with a violation of eighteen USC twenty, three, eighty, four. So all of the right I wanted to go through because it is terrifying that we have an attorney general that is invoking the specter of these things. The invocation is a deterrent in. Has a chilling effect, but at the end of the day. There are no district attorney's no matter how loyal they are to trump and bar that are going to try and bring charges. So could they go after people aggressively for the say they they they allege that they are they have some indication or tax or proof that they wanna go and do things like you know like a garbage can on fire I mean we saw I brought up in I. excellent brief my amicus brief the fact that there's people in prison serving long sentences for doing almost nothing during protests back in i. think it was during the Ferguson protests the the guy like you know lit some trash on fire and is serving what was like an eight year since I mean stuff like that. So there is every chance of that kind of prosecution happening, right? Yes but. This is actually the silver lining. If there is one in bar overreaching, remember I quoted you his statements that we're reported in the Wall Street. Journal. Bar was saying don't go after protesters on things like destruction of property and violating curfew, which again, those are super. Sadly, those are super easy slam dunk aces to make right the law prohibits. Yeah do that he was saying, don't go after that but instead go straight for. Attempting to overthrow the government? Yeah. That is very weird I mean it's totally bizarre. Normally he's the like competent evil guy but maybe this time his his overreach will will be benefit. Now now I, mean, if you want to know why if you WanNa know the evil motive for doing that that is you've now given prosecutors a much bigger stick and so if you are attempting in this, this gets into the. This is a side effect of the the chilling affect deterrence that we've talked about remember right ninety nine and a half percent of all criminal cases plead. You're doing is the prosecutor comes in with a straight face and says, we've charged with eighteen USC twenty-three eighty four violence sedition overthrow of the United States government that carries a twenty year prison sentence we want you to plead guilty. Law that I think we can firing squad you if you're guilty of it, it it it increasing the severity of the penalties and not including the lesser charges right because if you include the lesser charges than the lawyers will say. Yeah, you have a shot in hell on winning on sedition. Yeah and you know you've included lighting a mailbox on fire which carries a five hundred dollar penalty. Well, what plead to that one right? There is a tactic of overcharging defendants and then saying we're not, we're not charging you with. Lighting the mailbox on fire we're not going for that. So YOU WANNA. Roll the dice in court with twenty years on sedition or do you WANNA plead to a year in jail on you know this heightened. This charge that otherwise, we wouldn't be able to prove so. If I wanted to put myself in the dark and terrifying mind bill. Bar that that's what I would think but but but let me emphasize, right. Understanding that prosecutorial overcharging happens the ethics rules these people who are line prosecutors who worked for the department, of Justice, are bound and required not to bring false charges right not to bring unsupportable charges charges for which they either know they cannot prove the elements of the crime or lack an articulate basis to say a good faith basis to say that we should we should bring these charges. So I I'm I'm putting our faith in people I've. ille- Andrew. There are a lot of reasons to think that that's well found, right? We've talked about that on the show a lot right? Like we have talked about Brandon Van Greg Resigning from the Flynn case When the government said, we want you to file this rule, forty, eight emotion dismiss everything and him saying know right now. You know. We can talk about how much more you know. How much more courage DNA like we can debate all that back and forth. But I I feel like we've highlighted the dangers of bar making this advocacy. I do not think that it will stick for the reasons that that I've described well, try for some optimism there appreciate the the deep dive. just a reminder again, maybe when you recognize how much liberal supreme courts have done for our rights may we ought to ensure that we get a liberal Supreme Court sometime in the next dozen years or so we'll say that seems like a really great idea. If only there were something, we could do I know this. Alas. Yup No. I'll repeat Eli Bosnich here I. We know that you were tired of hearing us say go vote for Biden and Harris we're tired of say it. But by God, we're going to continue to say it and and and I wish it wasn't necessary. It's just vitally important. It really is it really is it just is we have to put an end to this madness and then we'll deal with what comes after that that doesn't mean everything solved. You have to put an end to the to the bleeding I mean it's just awful I. Thank you. And now it's time to thank our new patrons, the Patriot dot com slash.
"van greg" Discussed on The Lead with Jake Tapper
"Due to the meatpacking. That's where the Brown county got. The flair was on just the regular folks in Brown County. Yeah Jake I would say that. The people who work in those plants are regular folks as well. Diane Gallagher Thank you so much. Masked firefighters in white plains. New York said goodbye to their department's Deputy Chief Edward Siaca paying respects outside his funeral on Tuesday. The Sixty two year old third-generation firefighter died. Friday from Corona virus. Fellow firefighters described him as a loving father a stalwart leader and a caring friend who is calm cool collected whether inside a burning building or in command of operations from the outside Chris. Angry Angeline Castro. Guzman was a thirty five year nurse. The mother of three including a four-month-old baby had just ended maternity leave and return to work at a nursing home outside Chicago. She contracted the virus. There she died Saturday her husband who worked with her that same nursing home also tested positive for corona virus. May Their memories be a blessing. We'll be right back just in this afternoon. The Justice Department is dropping its criminal case against president. Trump's former national security adviser retired general. Michael Flynn Flynn as you may recall was charged with lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials moments ago. The president reacted to the news. I didn't know that was happening. At this moment I felt it was going to happen just by watching and seeing like everybody else does. He was an innocent man. He is a great gentleman. He was targeted by the Obama Administration. Of course it was the trump administration. That was prosecuting the case against General Flynn former. Fbi Deputy Director Andrew McCabe said in response to the news quoted. Today's move by the Justice Department has nothing to do with the facts or the law. It is pure politics designed to please the President Unquote CNN. Sara Murray joins US now Sarah. President trump is called Flynn innocent. He can fee confessed his guilt in open court and the judge even ruminated as to why he wasn't being charged with a tougher crime. Why drop a case against somebody who has already admitted his guilt? Well it certainly very unusual set of circumstances. It's going on in this. Filing with the Justice Farm in says this interview Flynn lied was untethered to unjustified by the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into Flynn. It goes on to say that the Justice Department cannot say without a reasonable doubt that Michael. Flynn lied those lies. Were substantial obviously is very different. From what the Justice Department has been saying now for years and it comes as bill bar you know his leaving the Justice Department. He's brought in outside. Us Attorney to take a look at some of these convictions. And this is what we are now. Seeing in this filing is really an about face when it comes to these charges against Michael Flynn Jake. And what does it mean that? The prosecutor in the case withdrew from the case right before this all went down which also we should note happened with trump confident Roger Stone right before he was sentenced. That's exactly right. Jay and there was brandon. Van Graduates was the lead prosecutor. Who struck this in this plea deal with Michael? Flynn withdrew afford. This filing came out. He didn't give a reason in his filing as to why he was withdrawing. But you know we saw odder sound. It was all of these prosecutors. Have hold their their names off of it and it was a clear signal that they didn't agree with what the jets is doing certainly possible. Maybe likely that that is what Brandon Van Greg is doing. I think it's also notable jake gets filing is signed by any career. Prosecutors at the Justice Department is signed by a political pointy. That's that's pretty unusual and I know that this is already being a attorney. General bar is already being accused of creating a special justice system just for president. Trump's friends absolutely. I mean you see that from the McCain day majors Brad. We have a statement out from Adam. Schiff intelligence chairman saying that. This doesn't really have anything to do with justice that this has to do with politics and so I certainly think that you can expect a lot of blowback coming bill bars way from Democrats as well as from former officials at the FBI. Jake all right Sara. Murray thank you so much for this breaking news. Update we appreciate it our coverage on CNN continues right now. Stay healthy stay safe..
"van greg" Discussed on KOMO
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"van greg" Discussed on The Cycling Podcast
"Also, a group home FDA another team that has a solo jet for so captain demar, and which she can work. But obviously leaves you as well Greg Morton initially in yamba visual team for the race. Brought in to replace team. Rusen who's aim should? He's never ridden. Milan-san Raman before grennell Wigan. Do you the problem Knipe? I know. In a few times in the past when Reuters of of show themselves and everyone else on their first appearance on some rain on Kevin dish, the other sprinters in particular who they almost sometime seem surprised by how straightforward is. And then carrier, surely, correct, exactly and subsequent years. It's almost as certain writers start to over think something which was originally quite simple yield lost year. I mean sprint lost. Yes. Suggested that he was going to dominate sprinting for the whole season. I'm he won while he won the second place. So fast. But the thing about you. And as he he may be buried quipped to hang on flus claims are hard van, Greg, for example, because we've seen already in one of the fascinating things about the atom blind interview with Caleb in which we are releasing this week. I mean, Caleb unit months, and we'd give us a fantastic opportunity to promote this first interview in a in a in a six part series. Anyone would think we'd planned it here? But. M I Adam blinders the events used for the cycling podcast first one comes to this week. It's with Caleb Ewan, and it's really fascinating thing because we learned just versatile writer Caleb was growing up. And we've seen already this year. He can get over claims. He's more of an all rounder than we give them credit for. I mean, there's tons of. There are tons of interesting nuggets about Caleb. Ian, Anderson's v. I highly recommend 'em. But you know, if it's the. Attritional race does flush out some of the sprinters light Dhamar like granola again. And even Gaviria, you know, look, very also has has ability pills. Then it could be a Caleb unions. The fastest of of of the writers are left, but some banner think comes in that category. As well. I mean, the fascinating thing about milan-sam raise. I it's probably it's the only race on the calendar or any important race on the calendar for which this really know die recklessly corresponding testing ground in the sense that it's not just a bit longer than ever the rights have a lot longer than any other racism. Hundred kilometers longer than a lot of other prestigious one day races. We don't really know how people are going to react to that. Whether they fade with relish that extra Jason and the sprint as well. We expect it to and sprint. It usually does end in sprint as completely atypical. Because there are no lead out trains left at that point. Particularly seven months teams. You can have one or two men most. Yeah. The lead out trains will be lead. Outriders support riders will be doing that work on the pressure on the radio, and then the descent and the little bit before the finale, you're you're right down your we say every year, but it is sufficient tastic race because it's Vincenzo nearly as defending champion and yet we're talking about Sam Bennett being a potential winner. You know, certainly somebody who can contest it shows the spread of riders could win depending on the way the rice plays out, particularly in lost fifty kilometers, but Daniels interested you said the show. For quickstep might go on go on the cheap presser an elephant on the Poggioli. But do you think elephant leaps best chance is to try on Dray Schmeel Filippo salto Fabio country? Laura tight flyer in the the final kilometer..
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"We're not mention one of the guy who guys who went to the Trump Tower meeting nearly five hundred pages couple dozen pages from Sam Nunn Berg, the Trump inaugural committee has handed over more than one hundred pages. And that's a lot a lot of material as reported today by politico, but it's interesting, I think the main point of this politico piece was that only a small proportion of the eighty when people who were supposed to hand stuff over have turned over anything at. All that may be a little bit misleading. We can report tonight from the committee that there are a number of other people who have also made some mission to have also handed their stuff over to the committee and hit the deadline in order to do it. We're told that part of the reason the records may not have been handed over to the full committee membership, including the Republican sources who apparently provided those numbers to politico is because the other submissions that have come in have come in on actual paper rather than as electronic filings, and whenever you mail a physical thing including paper to congress. It, of course, has to go through a crazy rube Goldberg machine and series of bureaucratic hurdles by which it gets screened for anthrax and all sorts of stuff like that. So it sounds like the judiciary committee is getting a ton of stuff some electrically some on paper, obviously, they are just getting started. But we've got more on who might not just be getting started. And who may actually be wrapping up ahead. Stay with us. Brendan vanguard back my favorite name in the whole Trump Russia probe. Honestly, if there wasn't a person involved with this investigation named Brendan van goch you'd have to invent one he is a real person. He's the veteran espionage prosecutor who joined the special counsels team early on Brendan von back. Sorry, Mr. van, Greg. I'll say it. Normally he worked on the case against Paul Manafort, also the case against Mike Flynn. But by October last year, we learned that he had left the special counsel's office returned to his old job in the Justice department, Brandon. Greg was not the first to go. But lately the pace of departure seems to be speeding up. Just since the beginning of this month. David Archie, elite FBI agent on the molar team. He left to run the Richmond FBI field office. Also, Andrew Weissmann. Arguably the best known highest profile prosecutor on the Muller team, the lead prosecutor on the Manafort case Weisman is also leaving the investigation. NPR had the scoop that he's leaving to go teach at NYU law. And then we got another just yesterday Zeynab Ahmad, who's another counterterrorism. Prosecutors. She worked on the Flynn case..
"van greg" Discussed on KMOX News Radio 1120
"With Brian Kelly on KOMO ex. It's eleven minutes after eight o'clock. I'm Brian glad to have you alongside James O'Sullivan at the controls this morning as usual on Sunday. And he'll be here for a sports on a Sunday coming up at ten o'clock. Van Greg Branson's following the latest news, I mentioned at the top of the hour about shut sports. They're actually not from effingham, of course, from Lichfield. They have come up with the latest in football helmet technology is they try to of course, prevent concussions and head injuries. And we're gonna find out about this latest development coming up at about eight twenty this morning. Also, the Saint Louis chess club continues to state some great events and this week. It's the first ever Cairns Cup to women's chess tournament bringing some of the best women players from around the world to Saint Louis begins this week. And Jen Shahada is a chess champion also an analyst, and she's going to join us to tell us all about that. And Fred bonhamer. We'll have this weekend health and measles outbreak continues. And chicken nuggets, you say they taste like rubber. You might be right, which you're not supposed to eat them. Now, they want you to send them back. So that's coming up this morning here on total information A M. Mike Kelly's in studio. He is getting ready for sports on a Sunday. He looks wide awake. After last night's Mizzou win Aimee Marx Kors has all the sports coming up for us. This morning. And so we had a busy morning. Oh, here's sports at a Sunday. What's coming up headlines at ten oh five Jim stark,.
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"Being with. A skanks Rachel much. Appreciate it. All right. Lots more to cover. Stay with us. Joining us now is Chuck Rosenberg. He's a former US attorney in the eastern district of junior. He's a former senior FBI Justice department official Chuck thank you so much for coming in to talk to me about that. I obviously like I think everybody who's been watching this case struck by the drama in the courtroom today with what we had thought might have been asleep affair prosecutors and defense lawyers heading into today. We're both asking essentially for no jail time for Mike Flynn. It didn't go. It didn't roll smoothly downhill at on. It said veered off in a very unexpected direction. Just top line. What did what did you think about the way? This went today and the judge's remarks. I thought the judge's remarks were intemperate in my experience the best judges like the best empires in baseball fade into the background. They make calls. They get most. Right. They got a few wrong. But you don't really see them playing the game. And that's what I thought. Judge Sullivan today. He brought up some things that I thought were simply intemperate sounded more like he wanted to be a prosecutor, then a judge questioning the charging strategy holding the prosecutors to account for why you know, he was getting the deal. He got with her cooperation was finished. Whether he should have been charged with treason or Logan act violation. Look, the judges the boss any judge in his or her courtroom is the boss, and they get to decide what the sentences, but I thought some of the remarks were unfolding terms of them being intemperate that goes to his temperament as a judge in this and what we think of as appropriate tone in a judicial context. But are you suggesting that the judge portrayed an improper bias that might actually prejudiced? The question of whether or not he should continue to be the judge in this case, I think he gave the defense argument. I'm not sure they're going to take him up on it. But he gave them an argument that perhaps he shouldn't be the sentencing judge now that's a risky strategy. They would have to ask that he'd be recused. And if he said, no, and they couldn't change it. They're really stuck. I think what's going to happen going forward is that the prosecutors will put together a more fulsome more compelling case for general Flynn's cooperation, I'm guessing we'll file that at some point. And so the judge will have more of. Roadmap in terms of the way. This was resolved today. Obviously, we saw the judge quite sharply. Essentially rebuke, the defense for having an rebuke Flynn for having suggested that his lies to the FBI or somehow the product of entrapment or that he was ambushed or boxed in. But we also saw the judge proposal resolution to this matter effectively in which Flynn has to go back and offer more in terms of cooperation in order to balance the scales. More in his own favourite before he sentence. What did you make those thought the judge was actually right to rebuke defense counsel for positing, right? That Flynn was entrapped that Flynn was set up that Flynn didn't know what he was doing that struck me as a defense argument is a bridge too, far, Rachel. That said the government decided that general Flynn's cooperation was finished. They were the ones who met with him nineteen times they were comfortable making that substantial assistance downward departure motion when Mr. van Greg was asked. You know, is there anything more? You can do the answer was. Well, yeah. You know, maybe sort of we'll try we'll see what we can do. But the real answer if you're reading between the lines was no we're ready to go to sentencing. We have what we need your honor. And so look if I'm going to criticize judge for being intemperate I wanted praise. The judge for calling out what I thought were some defense misrepresentations about the nature of that interview that was deeply unfortunate. And I think fueled a fire in certain quarters of political debate that were way off the Mark. And I think that can have been unintentional. I mean, obviously, you're going to know how that's going to resonate with the president and broadly with the White House. White House spokesperson. Saying today from the podium that Flynn was ambushed by the FBI..
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"That was the reason why. Prosecutor van Greg. Yes. Your honor the judge, and I said early on don't read too much into the questions I ask. But I'm not suggesting he committed treason. I just asked a legitimate question. Then Greg the prosecutor, yes, you're on her. And that affords us an opportunity to clarify something on our end, which is with respect to treason. I said I wanted to make sure I had the statute in front of me. The government has no reason to believe that the defendant committed treason. Which means today was the day in US history. When the prosecutors had to go and check the statute in writing at the judges suggestion, so they could return to court and averred that no they're not planning on charging, the president's first national security adviser with treason, but thank you your honor for the suggestion. And you know, what it's actually pretty good to have looked it up. Now, there's one other thing that the judge walked back after that same recess today. You will recall that as Flynn stood before the judge today, the judge made some pretty it's indelible unforgettable statements about Flynn telling him not only did you lie to the FBI. But she lied to senior officials. You lied to the FBI about three different topics. You made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser. The president of the United States is most senior national security aide, two months later again, you made false statements and multiple documents filed pursuant to the foreign agents registration act. So the judge says the judge thunders in the courtroom, so all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security advisor to the president of the United States, the judge continues. I mean, arguably that undermines everything this flag over here. Stands for points at the flash. Arguably the judge says you soldier? Country out. I am not hiding my disgust disdain for this criminal offense. So the judge says that before the recess obviously a very dramatic moment. After the recess. The judge walked back. Something specific about the timing. Relative to that claim he's making about Mike Flynn. This is what the judge says, quote, this is directed to either government council or defense counsel. I made a statement about Mr Flynn acting as a foreign agent while serving in the White House. I may have misspoken does that need to be corrected the stir van Greg the prosecutor. Yes, your honor. That would be correct. Which is that the conduct ended. I believe in mid November twenty sixteen the judge. All right. That's what I thought. And I felt terrible about that. I just want the record clear on that you agree with that counsel, Mr. Kellner for the defense. Yes. Your honor? So the judge feels terrible. He says about saying that Mike Flynn was an unregistered agent of a foreign power while he was serving as national security advisor in the White House. He confers with prosecutors to say I was mistaken on that. Right. Prosecutors say yeah. His work as an unregistered foreign agent actually ended before Trump was sworn in ended in the transition in mid November twenty sixteen after the election. So the implication of that assertion from the prosecutor, and the is apology here is that Mike Flynn didn't ever secretly work on behalf of a foreign government. Once he was in the White House officially and sworn in as national security adviser. As a matter of fact, the judge might not have needed to issue that apology. And that's next. Today in court in DC when the judge was just thundering at Trump national security advisor, Mike Flynn about the gravity of his crimes. The judge said so all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving his national security adviser to the president of the United States. He said that and then the judge took it back and the prosecutor from rubber molars office supported the judge and taking it back saying in court today that Mike Flynn in fact, didn't peep working as a secret foreign agent of Turkey after the inauguration. When he was sworn in national security adviser prosecutor said in court today that Flint's stopped doing that work right after the election in mid November twenty sixteen and that is in fact when Flynn filed paperwork with the government saying that his contract with Turkey ended. But you know, what? It's possible that the judge was right..
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"The flight of the fate of Mike Flynn because this has become a real cost celeb-, particularly in conservative media. It was even trumpeted today from the White House by White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders repeated those claims essentially about Flynn in her words being ambushed by the FBI as a Flynn didn't really lie. If he did it wasn't his fault. It should be noted that the judge in Flint case just destroyed that argument today. He forced Flynn and Flynn's lawyers to disavow any claim to that argument. And ultimately Flynn's lawyer even apologized to the judge for raising it at all. The judge quote, do you believe the FBI had a legal obligation to warn Mr Flynn that lying to the FBI was a federal crime mister Kellner, the defense lawyer, no your honor, the judge is that your contention that Mr Flynn was entrapped by the FBI Kellner, the defense lawyer, no your honor, the judge do you believe Mr. Flynn's rights were violated by the fact that he didn't have a lawyer present for the interview. No your honor. Do you believe his rights were violated by the fact that he may have been dissuaded from having a lawyer present for the interview? No, you're. The judge says the sentencing memorandum also states that Mr. Flint pled guilty before certain revelations that certain FBI officials involved in the interview themselves being investigated for misconduct is that your contention that any misconduct by any member of the FBI raises. Any degree of doubt that Mr Flynn intentionally lied to the FBI Kellner, the defense attorney, no your honor the references that I've mentioned that appear in your sentencing memorandum raise some concerns on the part of the court. And my question is how is raising those contentions about the circumstances under which under which Mr Flynn lied consistent with his acceptance of responsibility. Later on in the proceedings. This is where Flynn's lawyer essentially decides to take responsibility for that himself, and basically apologized to the court for having raised it. The judge says, quote, let me excuse me. The defense lawyer says to the judge let me make very clear your honor that the decisions regarding how to frame general Flynn's sentencing memorandum made by council made by me made by Mr. Anthony, the defense counsel, those decisions are entirely hours and really should not and do not diminish in any way. General Flynn's acceptance of responsibility in this case, and the judge interrupts and says the point is well taken, but but you understand why I had to make the inquiry. Defense lawyer says I do a judge says because I'm thinking this sounds like a backpedaling on the acceptance of responsibility. So that did not work. Mike Flynn and his attorneys today. Disavow and essentially apologize forever. Suggesting to the judge that Flynn wasn't really guilty that the F B I was somehow the real culprit here. I mean, not alone cancels like half, the shows on Fox News tonight. All right. What are you gonna talk about? But there is also the part where everybody starts talking about Mike Flynn, and treason, and they can't stop saying the word treason over and over again that's next and there's actually some news there that may not make the judge very happy in this case stay with us. Here's the part about treason in today's aborted. Sentencing hearing for Trump national security advisor, Mike Flynn. So this all happens, right? After the judge has just ripped a hole in Mike Flynn. And said out loud in open court that arguably Mike Lynn you sold out your country, you'd be trade the flag that he turned and pointed to in the courtroom. So the judges this done that Flynn has just sat down, and then the judge directs questions starts directing questions to Muller's prosecutors, and they are questions that appear to shock even the prosecutors. The judge says quote council these questions answers to which the court's going to consider in attempting to determine an appropriate sentence the conversation with the Russian ambassador in December is that a violation of law. Prosecutor Brandon van Grech your honor, the judge I hate to be so blunt could he have been charged with a criminal offence. Mr. van Grech? Let me answer two ways the judge. Okay. Ben Grech, which is the facts could potentially support violation of the Logan act, which I think is perhaps with the court is referring to the judge is that the act that no one has ever been prosecuted under Mr.. Van greg. That's right..
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"This person has testified in the grand jury or there have been pleased of guilty entered. There's nothing else he can do to help us. But in this case, there's still a likelihood that he could help. Correct prosecutor then says yes, but quote, the defendant has provided the vast majority of cooperation that could be considered. So this is the judge being like. Tell me he's not at the end cooperating. Tell me he's got something else that he can tell you. He's got something else that he can give you because that's the cooperation that is giving you this far. Is what I'm supposed to balance against what I can see about his bad behavior. If he's not done, you might want to wait to have him sentenced until after he's totally done because he's going to need every iota if his cooperation to balance out how I view is crimes. And this point we get some news because the prosecutors from Muller's office they bring up to the judge unprompted the case that we learned about yesterday. We had wondered at this was gonna come up and Flint sentencing today. This is the case just unsealed yesterday. Where Flynn's longtime business partner was charged with multiple felonies. This is somebody who was also Trump transition official. He was the vice chairman of Flynn's intelligence group, and he was charged yesterday with being part of a scheme along with Mike Flynn person. A in that indictment is charged with being part of a scheme basically to operate secretly in this country as paid for an agents of the government of Turkey without ever disclosing it. So the prosecutors from his office bring that up to the judge today as if that should help Flynn even more look he helped. Us get that indictment to he's been super helpful. He's a great cooperator. But the judge immediately boomerangs that back at them by saying, basically. Yeah, I see how he helps. You get that indictment filed but Flynn participated in the crime that is laid out in that indictment too. I mean, the judge says looking at the evidence of what Flynn himself did in that alleged crime. You could have charged him for that. You could have locked him up for that too. Right. Here's how prosecutor Brandon van Greg, quote, we'd like to bring to the court's attention that we just had an indictment unsealed in the eastern district of Virginia charging Zhou Qian and came out to Kane with various violations and the defendant provided substantial assistance to the attorneys in the eastern district of Jinya and obtaining that charging document the judge. All right could the defendant have been indicted in that indictment. Could he have been charged in that indictment? Prosecutor Bendon Brendan van Grech. And your honor the answer is. Yes. The judge says your answer is he could have been charged in that indictment. Mr. Fane grap? Yes. Your honor? They then talk about how many years in prison. Mike Flynn could have received just for that crime. If he had been charged and convicted in that case that was unsealed yesterday in Virginia. The judge concludes that discussion by saying quote, the exposure for Flynn would have been grave then exposure to Mr Flynn would have been significant had he been indicted, meaning he could have potentially received many years in prison, Mr. van Grech prosecutor says yes your honor. So that is a remarkable moment. That's the prosecutor is trying to help Flint out here. I mean, they're prosecuting Flint, but they're trying to help them out. They're telling the judge. Hey, helped us out on this other case, and the judge in response makes the prosecutors spell out how guilty Flynn might have been in that felony criminal case too. So so things are not going well for Michael Flynn here. You should also know that the effort by Flynn and his lawyers over recent days to argue heading into today's sentencing that Flynn was kinda victim here that he didn't really mean to lie to the FBI the FBI somehow tricked him or unfairly boxed him in to lying inadvertently. They tried that a little bit in the document that they submitted to the judge about Flint sentencing in advance of today's hearing that argument really did not go well today, and that's important even beyond just.
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"Lawyers one time two times three times four times five times keep saying over and over again. Nope, judge. We're good. We're fine. Let's go ahead until after the part where the judge says to Flynn that. He's disgusted with and has disdained for Flynn. Defense. And he tells Flint how he sold out his country. And how he has undermined this flag over here turns points, and at that point. Yeah. Flynn decides. Okay. Actually, I know I said no five times. But I'm going to take you up on that offer to maybe not go ahead with you sentencing me today. So Michael Flynn in the end doesn't get sentenced today. Flint's lawyer finally says, quote, we would like to request a continuance of sentencing your water, and so flames cooperation with the government will continue and his case the sentencing and his case will be continued for another few months. He'll be back presumably sometime in March to go before this judge again and talk it over again, maybe under circumstances that wouldn't make the judge explode in front of an open courtroom about how he feels about Mike flood's behavior. Now, the the legal rationale from the judge today for not sentencing. Mike Flynn today. It's the it's the legal rationale, basically from the judge, which he persuaded Flynn and his lawyers to go along with that was the idea that maybe there is a little more that Flynn could do to help out the prosecution here remember molars office special counsel's office, recommended no jail time for Flynn. Not because they didn't say he committed serious offenses this to the court that in fact, Mike Flynn committed serious crimes, but they said that is outweighed by what a great cooperator. He has been helping them with all these other cases. And the judge today. It was like, you know, however, good he's been as a cooperator you're going to need to add some more cooperation to that side of the scale to balance out his crimes because his crimes to my mind. Are unbelievably bad. So he's definitely shocking. Mike Flynn and his defense lawyers today. He also seems to sort of be shocking. The prosecutors, and here's where we got some some of the news that was made today made in open court. So this is the judge asking the prosecutors about whether they are absolutely sure that there's no more cooperation they might be able to squeeze out of Mike Flynn. The judge says now I'd like to hear from the government. I which means the prosecution would you come forward counsel to the microphone the judge says? And again, I'm not intentionally trying to intrude on matters that should not be on the public record. So I will respect your resistance to answer a question. All right, but is Mr. Flint still cooperating with and providing assistance to the government prosecutor Brandon van Greg. Your honor? It remains a possibility that general Flynn is continuing to cooperate with the government at this time. The judge says all right. It's a possibility Mr. van back. Yes. Your honor the judge more often than not the court will wait until the government says this person is finished..
"van greg" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"There wasn't even a difference of opinion between the prosecution and the defense as to what should happen to Mike Flynn today both sides, he should get zero jail time. But amazingly that consensus view of the defense and the prosecution is not what happened today. Again, we will get expert advice on this in just a morning. But this just turned into a train wreck for Mike Flynn and more broadly for supporters of the president, particularly in conservative media, and on Capitol Hill who had tried to turn elements of the Muller investigation into some sort of indictment of the FBI into some sort of scandal about the FBI and law enforcement that took a major hit today. I mean, this was this was just a I mean, we knew there was a little element of unpredictability here. But this went way way off the rails. Even before we got to the part where everybody in the courtroom kept saying the word treason over and over again. This is how it started judge. Good morning courtroom clerk, good morning. Your honor the judge. Good morning. Sorry. Your honor? This is criminal case. Seventeen to thirty to the United States of America versus Michael Flynn will all parties please come forward to this left turn identify yourselves for the record. Mr. van Grech? Good morning. Your honor Brandon van Greg on behalf of the United States. He's a veteran counter espionage prosecutor with me at counsel table Zainab. Amid who is a veteran counter-terrorism prosecutor and William McCausland for the FBI. Judge says good morning council. Ms Ahmad says good morning your honor. And then Mr. Kellner good morning. You're on a Robert Kelner with Covington and Burling for the defendant. Michael Flynn with me at counsel table of Steven Anthony, the judge says all right? Good morning. Good morning council. And then the judge has Mr. Flint good morning. How are you? And then the defendant Michael Flynn says good the judge. All right. Good morning. This case is in a very unique posture. Judge Sullivan says quote, I read every filing ver I read every filing very carefully in this case. There's a great deal of non public information in this case, and I'll just leave it at that. If any of my questions require a party to disclose non-public information or if I begin to discuss. Something non-public don't be shy. And telling me my clerks over the years have learned to do this. And that because we just got to transplant. We just know he makes them sort of gesture if I get off script or if I get into areas where I won't get offended. If you do it. I may not see you so stand up and raise your hands or say, something, please. I don't want to unintentionally say something that should not be revealed on the public docket. So this is right at the outset of today's hearing. And this is a really good reminder right at the outset that all of those reductions we have seen in the court. Five core filings in my cleanse case, all those big black bars. Those things reducted to us the public, but they're not redacted to the judge. He has seen the non public information. He has seen the unredacted explanation of the kinds of cooperation that Flynn has offered to the special counsel the cases that he has helped with the judge has also seen the FBI's unredacted notes about their interactions with Flynn and about him line. The FBI, and we really do not know as members of the public. What's behind those black redacting bars? But who knows maybe what's behind those black bars is what contributed to this judge going off like a volcano today about the seriousness and the terribleness of Mike Flynn's behavior. I'm going to cut to the chaser. Because this is the part that you have heard about today if you have heard about any of this, the judge speaking to Michael Michael Flynn, the defendant at this point, the judge, quote, I'm going to be very Frank with you this crime is very serious. It involves false statements to the Federal Bureau of investigation agents on the premises of the White House in the White House in the west wing by a high ranking security officer with up to that point an unblemished career of service to his country..
"van greg" Discussed on 790 KABC
"Attorney Vic, Josh we're gonna talk a little bit about the Michael Flynn guilty plea. Big welcome to the program. Oh, thank you very much. So couple things jumped out at us before we get into the way the judge took off after him. The the judge asked whether or not this would just sort of a sidebar with the prosecuting attorney. There was. The phone call with the Russians violated any law and the attorney answered with well, maybe the Logan act at which point the judge said, well, no one's ever prosecuted that successfully and he laughed did you catch that? Yeah. Absolutely. And what the judge is really saying is, you know, let's concentrate on what the offense is zero in concentration on that. Let's not have these amorphous would be indictments that. Mr Flynn was facing. If you recall that was when the prosecutor was talking about what Mr Flynn in essence gained he gave the cooperation gave information, but he also gained the non filing of federal indictments out of Princeton Virginia which circles around the Turkish officials are influencing us here in the United States. So I think that was really the court saying, okay, it's a wolf ticket. If you intended to believe that mR Flynn was guilty of that you should have filed that violation you didn't do it. So let's talk about what's actually in front of the court. And did they not do it because they went after the people that he pointed out? I think they didn't do it because they didn't have to you got enough other stuff exactly in federal court. I can tell you how many times I've had conversations with federal prosecutors that say, you know, Mr. yes, your clients, a great guy L girl and they've done great for the community country or private lives, but good people sometimes make mistakes, and the federal government cannot ignore breaking the law. This is a mantra of the US attorney's offices throughout the country. We cannot ignore law violations. And so the federal laws are very specific. But at the same time, they're very vague. We have catchall offenses wire fraud mail fraud making false statements. You know, what truly is a false statement when it isn't a declarative. Yes, or no. So these are catchall offenses at the federal government has at their disposal. Why go after a statute that is very complicated has distinct elements that must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can prosecute someone for lying. So Michael Flynn's lawyers offered three different versions of the same story as it started to become clear that he could face jail time. Right. For a guy like Flynn, who's a general who's one of the most powerful people in the US when he was named national security. The I just it's it's beyond. I I can't my head around. How he could do this knowing what he knows? I mean, he must have known the law when an FBI comes to you, and you're working in the White House. How do you not know that this will end badly and at the FBI probably knows the answer to the questions they're asking. Well, and I think that's where we notice a divide or maybe a disconnect between what a defendant knows and what a lawyer argues, and and they you know, I have not personally looked into the background on Mr. plans lawyers. But I would assume they're top notch. But as evidenced by judge Sullivan's discussion with Flynn and his lawyers. The judge was not happy with this half hearted attempt where his lawyers claim that he was a violation than using trapped by the FBI to plead guilty. And then the judge asked him about it. And he was like. No, no, he he basically going against his own lawyer's argument. Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. And just sort of the listeners understand this is not rare many times defense counsel will say, well, you know, my client plead guilty. But you know, it was under circumstances. That were a bit course if now personally in my practice, I never made that argument the reason for it is it's incredulous. And that's why judges like judge Sullivan say I have never accepted a guilty plea for someone who was not guilty. So I'm gonna ask you some questions here to make sure Mr Flynn that you are accepting responsibility and guilt. I see. So I think it really kinda shoots him in the foot. I don't think it's something that puts them in the best posture, especially when you're asking the judge to say give me a break. Gimme a reduction in the federal sentencing guidelines because of my cooperation and specifically because my acceptance of response. Ability. The it's a little contradictory there. I'm a little confused. So the judge asks him some questions that that hands up sorta testifying against himself. No, no, no, not testify against themselves. Cps his his his defense. Is that his lawyers are claiming that his defense is that he was entrapped by the FBI interesting guilty. Yes, that they that may be let me clarify before we go down that road a little too far entrapment as a legal defense was not raised. But then they imply that. Yes. But not as a legal defense as a mitigating factor for the court to consider now in order to say, I was entrapped there are specific elements. You have to meet, but that's a defense you must present. And if you say judge, I'm raising defense that I wasn't trapped. Well, then that judge will not cannot accept a guilty plea. I say, okay. So so what happened here was defense counsel said, well, we didn't feel that it was entrapment. Therefore, you know, we ran emotion to. Press the statement, which is the normal course of action. But judge we want you to know that maybe Mr Flynn was coerced or unduly pressure led down the primrose path. And again to be clear, I believe that's a mistake. I don't believe he could have the worst lawyer in the world, okay? Or someone who's barely breathing or even half asleep. But he is general Flynn. And so the law looks at what is in the mind of the individual who's accepting the guilty plea. We're talking to your website is bizarre defense dot com. Is that correct? Yes. That's correct. Josh defense dot com where you can find Vic we're talking, of course, about Michael Flynn's guilty plea. Why was the sentencing postpone sorta seeing that so that he can continue to cooperate with the office of independent counsel? So he can build more exactly. And that's not rare either. And so the the judge judge Sullivan said it should have prosecutorial team is Mr Flynn cooperating, and and and the prosecutors have governments attorney well kind of hesitated a bit and said, yes, because that's not something you really wanna project, but at the same time, it's not a secret in regards to Mr Flynn. And so the court said I as a federal court and not in the best position to entertain the discounts. I'm going to give you for your cooperation intil that cooperation has concluded. Oh, I see until the report is actually issued until they right until they conclude their report they have to actually publish. Shit. Right. Well, no, they don't have to publish it. And that's a very good point as well. These recommendations from the federal government to the judge are all under seal when we are discussing cooperation agreements, but I mean, they they were pretty open about it Muller's team saying that they are recommending no jail time. Right. That's correct. But the actual memorandum which spells out what it is that in this case, Mr. Flint provided to the government, and what the fruits of those pieces of cooperation are are sealed and under the, you know, the privy of only the court in the federal government and meeting the prosecutorial agency, and the defense attorney now what the recommendation is to the court, and what the published memos are are, of course, public information. And the reason why there's that bit of a separation is because there are ongoing investigations that only the court should know about that should not be published because it could hamper those investigations. Starting to pick bazaars attorney. You can get him at the J J defense dot com. Can you go back once more around on that Logan act? Are we going to hear more about that going forward? And what is it? I it seems like I've ancient ancient law. That's never been really successful used. Well, that's true. And I will tell you very clearly that you will never hear about it again. Okay. It's it's almost not worth the conversation. But what it basically says is that you know, if there is negotiation by unauthorized person, right, right? You know, that are working on behalf of other governments within the United States. Well, that's a specific charge in the federal guidelines the United States sentencing guidelines, which is a collection of rules regulations and calculations put together by our legislature. These tell us that we can entertain relevant conduct. So in essence once you have someone on the hook for a guilty plea will then the federal government can say judge now, we're dealing with someone who pled guilty. And I want you to know this other relevant conduct that's out there and the value of that increase in the punishment or the increase in the survey parity is the same whether they charge under one particular act or they added as an enhancement to a very easy to prove violations such as lying now. More than the the Logan act here what I found. And kind of surprising. And maybe it's not you tell me was that the judge brought up the idea of treason to prosecutors. He said in the courtroom is there an opinion about the conduct of the defendant that rises to treasonous on the defendant's part. And the flames lawyer said the special counsel excuse me, van Greg said, the special counsel would not consider leveling that charge. He said hypothetically could he have been charged with treason asked the judge again. And then he was replied such a serious question. I'm actually hesitant to answer it, but then after a recess the judge gonna walk back. Those remarks saying by the way, I wasn't suggesting he'd be he committed treason, I was just throwing that out there. Thought expansively. Exactly. That's exactly right. And then let's not under. That's not forget the posture of the court before Mr Flynn walks in with his team and the federal government walks with their team. What is the posture of the court? The court has read documentations filed by Mr. Flynn's team after accepting responsibility in front of a different judge and saying judge. That's what I did. I agree. I did it. I'm guilty of it violated the law after the plea was entered on the record. Well, now, it's time for sentencing. So now, the judge has documentation filed by flames defense team saying, well, maybe I was coerced. Maybe I was pushed around a little too much, and it is not rare to see judges on the state and federal side come down hard on defendants who do that. And and on attorneys who present those arguments. Regardless of what the sentence ends up being. I'm sorry, regardless of what the sentence ends up being like, I almost feel like he he tore them a new on verbally in court. But he might follow prosecutor's recommendation for free. No jailed. Maybe maybe. But it's it's a hot potato that. You really shouldn't be playing with when you're throwing yourself at the mercy of the court in other words influence case. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Vic leave in any case. I believe in any case in any case that you or your client admit guilt. You you cannot in my opinion. And should not definitely go into court later and say, well, maybe I shouldn't have pled. Right. I was coerced that in my mind is ineffective assistance. I cannot imagine a set of circumstances where that makes sense that we're gonna take a little break. Stay with us. Absolutely. All right. We're talking Vic, Josh attorney. We're talking about the Michael Flynn. Guilty plea in the sentencing ahead, eight hundred two two two five two two two is a phone number gives call if you have questions for us or Vic, Josh. We're going to keep this conversation going. It's lawrence. Von. Dr drew midday live..
"van greg" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"You agree? Yes. I mean, you know, because I'll I'll talk about oh the special counsel. I get emails. I don't care. I don't care WikiLeaks. I don't care. Manafort, flips. I don't care Michael Flynn flipped. He's going to get sentenced today by federal judge. I don't care Trump Tower inauguration funding, Maria Bettina Trump foundation. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. How are we gonna make the list if we don't care? That's true. So yeah. So we're until we care. We will not make the list of the ten most carrying cities in America. Like that's our goal. Right. We don't we don't need the rest of America. But this this whole Flynn hearing thing today, which was it was a three ring circus. I came in the the wheels were coming off the wagon. The you know, it was supposed to be just, you know, Michael Flynn shows up. He'll be asked a couple of questions by the judge. Right. And then he's sentence and the big question, I think to everybody they're wondering would it be jail time? Would he get prison time time behind bars because the special counsel had said to the judge or to the court? You know, what we recommend no jail time because he really been helpful to us. Really been health which also kind of nervous if you're if you're someone who's worked with Mike Flynn last few years, but it didn't turn out that way. Steven Portnoy, he's a good friend of the Show, TV STV, man. He's he's working for CBS. Now, by the way. And we always wish him well. But he he just did a play by play on Twitter of this thing. And he and he starts writing about what happened inside the courtroom. Steven Portnoy says one final time instill sounding skeptical. Sullivan asks Flynn if you want to proceed because you are guilty of this offence. Flynn says I am and I want to proceed Sullivan accepts the plea next. Tweet Sullivan repeats the phrase, this is a very serious offense and described Flynn's crime as occurring in the west wing. The aggravating circumstances are serious Sullivan says. Sullivan repeats the phrase, very serious offense. And he warns Flynn of a prison sentence. You are an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security advisor to the president. Arguably this undermines everything this flag over here. Stands for arguably, you sold your country out. That's the headline for today. And Steven Portnoy that goes on another tweet Sullivan. I'm not hiding my disgust my disdain for this criminal offense. Giving Flynn the chance to delay until he's finished. Cooperating Sullivan says I can't promise anything about the sentence. You're I'm about to hand down to you. Next week. I gotta tell you, folks. This is pretty good drama. It's a shame federal courts have decided the public shouldn't be able to see this on television. We should be able to see this until I don't know why they didn't allow because they they could have then the next one capital letters did Flynn commit treason Sullivan is now asking the special counsel's office, whether it ever considered charging Flynn with treason prosecutor Brandon van Greg struggles to answer saying it wasn't considered Sullivan recesses until twelve thirty eastern time because Flynn has asked for the chance to confer with his lawyers before moving forward. Update says Steven Portnoy, it appears the judge Sullivan is walking back is treason comment. He begins. Backtracking unders remarks that Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent while working at the White House, and that he may have committed treason, I feel terrible about that Sullivan says after the prosecutor notes Flynn's conduct as a foreign agent ended in mid November twenty sixteen I'm not suggesting he committed treason Sullivan adds further apologizing for his remarks in the prior session. Yes. Ask the question. Making the point I suppose, you drop that T-word. That's yeah. And we're going to talk with the US attorney here in a couple of minutes about you know, that moment, and what that was all about. But it was clear. The judge was was lecturing not just Michael. But I think he was lecturing us all on the rule of law and that we should care. Meanwhile, Sarah Sanders in the White House minutes after this is is talking about somebody else, you know. Well, what did you see? What did you see when when you watch the Michael Flynn proceedings today? What was your takeaway? What we do know is that the FBI broke standard protocol in the way that they came in an ambush general Flynn, and in the way that they questioned him and in the way that they encouraged him not to have White House counsel's office present. And we know that because James Comey told us that and he said that the very reason that they did it was because the only reason that they did it was the Trump administration, and they thought they could get away with it. In other words, I don't care. Now does this does remember remember Baghdad Bob? Volley ever Baghdad Bob back when we're we're going into Iraq. And you remember the pictures on TV those American tanks. Yeah rolling. It was just absolutely amazing time because you were actually watching the US role in to liberate Iraq and the tanks are tumbling rumbling down the highway. They're blowing up statues on the way just blown them to smithereens and old Baghdad Bob he sat there in front of the cameras into anybody. Who would listen we have slaughtered above.
"van greg" Discussed on Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock
"Jim jackson greg jeans back we're joined now by the founder of the big lead jason mcintyre let's move to the ufc dana white is being criticized for signing former nfl defense van greg hardy to developmental deal hardy was basically forced out of the nfl because of his poor handling of the aftermath of a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction his lawyers had overturned and he vigorously disputed the marxist blog deadspin is of course the ringleader of the hardy and white bashing yesterday debts been published a piece blasting white for being hypocritical and motivated by money i don't get this fighting is not a morality play fighting is actually the appear to me of immorality hypocrisy and greed or at the foundation of mixed martial arts boxing and schoolyard brawls the people who think hardy is pure evil should be celebrating the fact that he's founded profession that matches his alleged character our ask the outrage virtuous signaling liberals what should ex convicts do live on welfare is that the solution these same outrage dogooders pretend to be the friends of people poor people of color especially those caught on our flawed criminal justice system a female judge a female assistant prosecutor originally sentenced hearty to probation and a sixty day suspended sentence for misdemeanor domestic violence they are far more informed and honorable than the people trying to slap a scarlet letter on hardy and white i just i just don't understand why this is controversial that greg hardy's in the ufc because of the domestic violence issue whether that got dismissed or not he had character issues but for me i think it's a great move because redemption something that we always look for and why not be able to do it in the different sports like he's coming to nfl we're judging him based on that and you have doesn't have the best track record in regards and not having some individuals who've been involved some domestic violence and agree with you on this it's violent sport this man has a chance now to use that bonds and that anger to be able to make a career out of himself leave it at long term it could bold well for you see regard from a marketing perspective what greg hardy can bring to the table because of that dynamic former football player now turn you see pro making a lot of money winning a lot of.
"van greg" Discussed on BizTalk Radio
"The experience throws a radio show cold of the original van greg and cried as take just twenty seconds to become a business revolutionary sharing a band bragging story of great customer service by using the hashtag band brag for calling the fan bragging hotline at eight five five van brag now back to angel eric the experienced roads welcome back to the experience froze radio show home positive business talk thanks for joining us today angel tussey eric roemer working it out right alongside you okay all right well let's talk about some of the email trends to pay attention to in a twenty eight trims female trends someone's going to send one watt of someone's gonna read one or delete wine now this is this nice this might surprise you it surprise me they said according to the litmus state of email report that twenty eight twenty seventeen so last year was a stellar year for email marketing sterler year stellar year and that is actually considered to be the first choice when it comes to brand communication more than two hundred and twenty five billion with a b graham no that are sent every day twenty five billion emails sent every day no that which is an increase over previous years i e mail continues to play an important role in brand's marketing strategy that you are calling it the digital lynch pin for the consumer that's the middle one like hold it altogether right so everything together holding when you think about your marketing strategy and brandy were all about social right we're all about snapping and chatting and tweeting and but according to the studies that it actually we still need to think about email which is weird for me in a on i'm you know i'm right there with you we have an e mail server thing system system that what i find i send an email right you.
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