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The Hidden History of the Illuminati with Stephen Erdmann and Omar Faizi

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The Hidden History of the Illuminati with Stephen Erdmann and Omar Faizi

"It's got the due to do open loops or burn ruled fan. New open Open loops you must listen to the openness that team park for absurd beliefs and systems integration between the mind and to create spent open. L-low welcome to open loops with greg. Bornstein conversations van band. I'm your host and chief looper your other than conscious thought leader counter. Cultural hypnotist provocateur researcher of all things. Strange this is the talk. Show for your unconscious mind. Because what is an open loop. An open loop is an unconscious provocation. Something that might be a cliffhanger. It's that dot dot dot. It's the what is the end of that sentence. It's the thing that opens your mind up to infinite possibilities and just makes you wonder what else this show. does that. My goal on open loops is to challenge your existing belief systems with my ideas as well as bring on guests with radically unique ideas. So we can stimulate your unconscious mind and allow you to then step into a higher version of yourself. Today's guests stephen birdman omar lazy. They live in this world. Why because they are what. I would calm independent researchers with a bent towards looking into conspiracy. Yes even early on. I did an episode. The who shot abraham lincoln episode of conspiracy theories. And you know. I've i've had people on. They've talked about it. Earlier episodes the The game of clones episodes sticks out with simon welsh. He was definitely in the there are people who are doing child abuse running the world and and they might just actually be clones of people camp. Well these two. They don't go to the clone place at least in this episode. We want to delve into the hidden history of the aluminum body. Now this episode is interesting because they definitely make claims both of these men they say the the us put the pieces together and see. It's out there. I challenge them. I challenge them a lot because to me when you make these claims you have to have proof. But then they said we'll do you greg and they challenged by understanding of proof and they also challenged the understanding of well if people were doing these horrible acts would they putting them out there in a way that you see with the mainstream flow of content on a daily basis You know at the end of the day folks At the end of the day. You listening right now. You know that i am very open to lots of different ideas and a lot of different belief systems. I will bring on someone from cunanan and have them talk with somebody that is staunchly against and that's what this show's all about so i really was interested in engaging if you're to claim that there's this history of child abuse going on throughout the centuries i want to explain why because to me it's not enough to just dismiss claims. And and debunk. Let's examine it. let's go into it. Let's really break down the nuances up the claims. Do we get anywhere by the end of this interview. You can decide definitely stop. Provoking definitely raises questions. Definitely makes you wonder about the things that we've been told in at the very least and i think omar and steven will agree. It makes you wanna research more. I'm not gonna say that it's tricky and you have a platform like this. It's tricky to put stuff out there and say oh yes. This is one hundred percent exactly. This is so true. I'm not gonna go that far. Why because i haven't researched it enough. And and i have done some research on it but i don't believe enough to go all the way where they are but i also i don't completely just for people to develop a belief system really dive this much into this kind of stuff. It's worth studying to me. It's worth looking into these wild ideas for some people. Come from that said even me telling you this bias against okay. These came on. I completely disagree with them. I don't think that's the case. I think it's a more nuanced discussion that matt. I'll let you decide. It's definitely you know. Make sure you You're you're not eating when you're listening to this episode. It's it's a deep dive into what we've heard about. In the past couple years with what the cunanan movement is fighting against and what donald trump was fighting it. All that stuff is there. It's a very interesting discussion. I'm grateful that stephen omar came on to have a riveting spirited discussion and debate about the nature of truth that to me is almost the more interesting aspect of this. It's not even the claims they're making while they are wild. It's how do we something is real and happening. Dewey just trust what we see in front of us or is there something on the sidelines worth examining that could be just as much of reality as quote unquote empirical evidence or is that just me justifying. Why putting out this episode hard to know. I think it's a it's it's an interesting step. In the beginning of my journey down the rabbit hole figuring out what is going on in the world and steven omar were really gracious with me. So i appreciate these gentlemen. And i highly recommend getting out The links are in the bio stevens website as well as waters talk. Which is omar's podcast. They're doing all the all. The fringe shamelessly fringe kind of stuff. So i'm honored that they came onto to talk about this contentious topic. If you enjoy open loops please. Make sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. And raid it leave review so we can get these kind of hot button. Discussions out there. Share this one with your friends if they go. What is this a minority. This'll this'll give you a good foundation that it's a nice. It's a nice history lesson they don't teach this in high school But i would have aced. I would've i would've gotten at least a four the test after this episode. I think. Alright stephen omar. They're coming up the hidden history of the manati ladies and gentlemen Welcome to open loops today. We have steven erdman. An omar faizy talking to me about the hidden history of the aluminum body. Both gentlemen we i mean. Stephen is Primarily a writer he's an investigative journalists omar Also a journalist researcher hosts the podcasts Watchers talk very interesting. Stop talking a lot about. Ufo's and in all sorts of things. I'm interested in. But like i said to these men before we're going to focus in on today the history of the aluminum and something i'm interested in because there's a lot of talk about it's and it's rarely opinion substantiated. Or i haven't really seen the way it actually is connected so we'll we'll get into the nuances of that In terms of you know claims of cunanan and all the cabal stuff by these guys say they have the history back it up. So we're gonna bring it to you. omar thank you both for coming on the show. Sure you're very welcome greg. This society is going to be a lot of fun. Yeah i will look i mean. Let's let's start here. It is the night. We're recording this. The night before the inauguration where The inauguration of joseph biden supposedly So interestingly enough the night before a lot of conspiracy theorists especially the alt-right you people are saying tomorrow is the day. It's all coming out all the stuff about the cabal. The deep state trump's been bringing them down first off thoughts on that. What are your thoughts on the q. Movement and what's going on there. Well myself i'm not really that big of a supporter of Cue donald really You know have too much information on cue. You know i've Mostly tried to stay away from that. And due to the you know the conspiracy nature and stuff to it great but You know for me. i don't really buy it too but on the other hand You know there's a much deeper play here. with with trump trump was brought in to To do this. He was recruited by the The grassroots movement To drain the swamp. Pretty much to to get rid of the corruption and child. Pedophilia in the world Especially in hollywood and you know. I've kinda really stuck to that aspect of it but You know him sending codes or kennedy sending out codes whoever it is I really never got into that. Yes so you so you believe. There's a world where you can still believe there's a world war. Trump can still be this person that is here to expose pedophile. But that doesn't mean key has to be real. That's very for me. Trump is the Is the ultimate warrior that That we need to back and You know he's fighting You know this very You know is extraterrestrial force really which he's fighting and And cute. You know it might be You know here look what the left hand is doing and up. Meanwhile the right hand is doing something else right to me. You know it. Blazin that aspects of things but You know it's it's much deeper with trump and and what's going on tomorrow interesting. Do you think there is going to. And i promise we are going to get into the history of this because it's super important but Do you think there is going to be anything. Like is described this. This talk of an emergency broadcast coming on and videos getting reveal an arrest. I mean is any of that substantiated at all. No i don't think so. I think it's a big by train and You know all this kind of stuff rarely happens behind the scenes. We've seen what the Know the fake media does and You know when news like that is is coming out. There's no way they're going to cover it and And you know we're not going to see any videos nothing like that. I don't think it's going to be nothing extreme. I think tomorrow's inauguration suspended goes mood because of the You know the military presence there. But you know i'm thinking that once the military presence is removed then all those politicians are going to be exposed. And that's when really the the real shit's gonna hit the fan. Because if i was you know let's by to do something for the inauguration day and i'm part of the militia whatever i see that type before in the In the area. I wouldn't touch it right. I would wait till they disembarked. And then i would do what what i needed to do. That's more common sense but You know yeah us. Stop coming down the pipelines. I think that's just Exaggerated and pipedreams and You know wishing what will happen but You know. I highly doubt it. Because of what's going to happen it would have happened already especially in the last few days because trump is leaving today right right. Yeah i mean and Right now i speaking with omar. I know that you You've done a lot of research into the aluminum body and The the the connection. Pedophilia I think what's so hard is that we know that pedophilia in hollywood has been a problem. we know that harvey weinstein was real. We know that. Jeffrey epstein was real And when i i've talked about this with other guests on the show when the claims are so entrenched in this partisan kind of like well. The right is against this in the left. It's sort of bogs down the message as well as these hopeful wishes from the queue. People i mean where is how How bad is it really. What do you mean how bad it is like like is it is it. I mean okay. Far extreme to me is that there is a video of hillary clinton murdering a child out there that multiple people have seen. And it's on anthony. Weiner laptop like manta means. Pretty bad Is that out there. You think i'm sure there's Lots of video footage like that of Rituals because You know these people are killing and kidnapping these children For ritual bases and all these rituals Go back to the ancient times You know that predate even the egyptian times and It's all in Worship to while croes and all of these people are involved in the oak and You know krona's is the is the is their god and that's who they're Worshiping so when they kill young children especially virgin children to get them so scared prior to death is that their adrenaline is Know running very high and when they killed him. That's when you know. The energy is the You know the most potent and you know. I'm sure that there's video footage is of that around right but You know. I can see that every once in a while. Something like that leaks out but You know. I don't think there's too much of that in the public arena. Maybe in the dark internet when you go into You know in into the other internet. I'm sure yeah find something in there but you know again you know hillary's a high profile person and And something like that being out there. I'm sure they're going to try their best to Expunge it right right. We'll look okay. So let's start. Let's really go into this. Because i'm calling this episode. They hidden history of the aluminum A lot of people have different conceptions of it. I mean there's the popularize. Dan brown kind of be asked version of it. And then there's the putting up the symbols and the fingers around the eye and everybody in hollywood's part of this thing You know where does it start really. Let's go back to the beginning and talk about how you this stuff is even happening. And where the cabal was formed. We start with mr twin kazaa. He hasn't had the chance to say anything. Oh yes yes. Yeah i'm gonna hear lamar's the true investigator here because he's really a ni- by i've written a a an article based on jim marrs Illuminated book and jim mars has gone in depth. The history of the alumni going back to the mystery religions He traces it. Back to a time when Well when extraterrestrials used to come to earth the yeah Lot lot of the mystery religions are just embedded with the symbols and coach and things that And he wrote a book called exempt lemonade nadi and he traced it from the author history. And how an how different agencies and even even like united nations. And i mean he. He took a step by step and is a very fascinating book It shows you how permeate our society is with these symbolism 's in Doctrines that we're really not in control. You know i in a lotta ways we We don't see this when we go to work it's a workaday world From eight to five or whatever in but it's everywhere it just taking control of our lives. It's a very real environment a very very evil environment and you can see it in Like mark mentioned symbols of Safran after an which is really a basis by bar satanism. An it's a can guess you can hide your head atlanta. This isn't taking place. Which would be very unkind for yourself because these true events are happening daily everywhere I highly recommend jim marrs book on lemonade aluminum body. It's very book and britain oracle on it. Yeah well and we're going to put the link to your website for sure for people to check out This this impossibly long website to get to dot wordpress dot com. But we'll we'll get we'll get to it. Sorry what were you saying. Well if you go to the internet. Google and type in stephen urge men at all. Yeah yeah Wait a minute. So do you Omar are you in the same camp. Do you think the nakae where the original Being zane in the became illuminated you go to that level or is it different for you at that level and probably a little bit deeper than that We have History that That's not really recorded or mainstream but know history talks about Extraterrestrials visiting the earth. Now in my School of thought you know i'm would creative mode wa The south african shaman and he talks about the The to the brothers who came to earth and And would You know they lived with us. And they were considered gods and then when they had left They appointed the kingship to a number of different factions around the world to carry out their Their agenda and really from that is where all of these secret societies and organizations came from but the illuminated that were looking at today. You know really it began in eighteen. Seventy one with albert pike and You know he was You know. I think it was an american and And it was at that time that he wrote a letter to felon on named dodge. Just sepe he was a thirty three degree mason himself and You know he Wrote him a letter and They made this plan and You know decided To try tried to take over the world now. This is like the same old game. Play that we've been seeing throughout the centuries is where ganga's contract to take over the world. Alexander tried to take over the world. Hitler tried to take over the world. You know this is what is really all about and You know this goes way. Way back to the to horie and to the nakae to anki and leo Alien abductions You know this is a Extremely deep deep subject and You know what we're going to do today that just scratch maybe the top of how. Yeah i mean look first of all. Is that letter where this guy says. We're gonna take over the world is that can you read anywhere No it's not in directly in the language that we're going to take over the world by you know when you have a guy that writes a letter in eighteen seventy one and You know predicts or starts a You know talks about starting world war one and then Starting world war two and then Starting world war three is totally outlined in. You know in his letter in anybody can see it. You know you just put up albert. Pike's letter to just happy eighteen. Seventy one on google and it'll pop up and It's like a little master-plan right there but it doesn't say you know in the clear language that we're going to take over the world but you know you read between the lines and in between the words and Understand what these guys are all about. Then you know clearly make sense of what they're trying to do is taking like baby steps right. You know world war one started after world war one ended. There was the you know what was that what they start the league of coalitions or coalition of leagues nation of leagues Something like that. And then world war two started and then after world war two the un was brought in Seen all of these You know little wars or global wars that they have. These are just stepping stones towards much larger goals. What okay this is a. This is very interesting now And i want to move into this. I want to go into this further. Here's my question for you. Both and i just want to sort of delve into both sides of this. Because i i always sit sort of my position on the show is that i'm conspiracy agnostic which i admit is kind of a cop out move. I mean it kind of is i. I'm more open to ideas. I do think that there's definitely something going on behind the scenes. It seems like there's money money would be close. I mean once you start talking about money and cutting off people in charge and their money source then things go down so i definitely think that's there but let's play. Let's play this way. Do you think even jit does. The does the on inaki does the ufo aspect up this have to be there for the rest of it to make sense or war. D can you talk me through this and show me. Hey look there's a luminosity thing is there and it is connected to satanic pedophilia. And you don't even need aliens Now the aliens are a critical component of Of this whole Show that were rob. Were inwood these people. Because like i said in the beginning that all the things that they do is in worship to cronos and kronos has a reptilian god and that You know manifested here on earth. you know. Tens of thousands of years ago and they've been worshiping this Et as a deity for all that time so everything that they do is to give this thing energy because we're made of because we're infinite bites when we're vibrating at a dense level we have a very low vibration energy and this is the energy that you know this being and it's you know it's it's fellow beings Used to feed off of us can all by a don. Juan mattis said it. The best that You know they re rearrest for For food we rear chickens in in coops right. So that's why you know they have all of this when you look at it you know. On the on the ice from the perspective of zodiac everything in our lives from politics to education to love to while war to buy you know banking everything is controlled by saturation. Go figure you know you figure that'd be gemini or something in there or they'd be something else but everything is controlled by saturation. Because of the energy field is not really you know You know in this Holographic world the saturn appears as a planet. But it's not really a planet that's an information field and then from that information field is where this The chicken brothers. Or you know the key as we understand them like enki lille is where they came from. You understand where. I'm getting out because they can't because they are extraterrestrials to a primitive people that were made primitive because prior to these guys showing up. We were highly intelligent people. Well that's what i always wonder. Why were we go. Yeah why did we go down in intelligence. Because they saw the fact that we're a very high fiber tori individuals. We were almost like a light body. The the nasdaq's talk about that. You know at their whole goal is to become lightbody and at the time relate body spacefaring and highly intelligent and then when this You know call it the arcand When this arcand force came in they saw the fact that we had very high energy we were very emotional and that our energy can be You know made to be lovato. Ori- what i'm saying that you know they. They understood that because we run off emotions. We can be happy and we can be sad. And when we're siding angry we amid a different type of energy compared to when we're in love in very happy so what they did was the frequency. That's coming off of saturn. They went through a lot of trouble. Dude you know when they they first of all extended the The saturation sat realistic. ring system and i would suggest that they're all crystalline. Based because crystalline is the perfect thing to pick up the wybert tori frequency. That's off of off of saturn. it's you know You ever go into a house during halloween and you hear that haunted music that they're playing right. That's kind of what saturation sounds like right. Compared to other planet saturn is a very very dense frequency anyways You know there's a number of Moons that That orbit saturn. And when you take a closer look at those moons artificial moons right like for instance. You look at Mammoths members looks like the death star from From star wars There's another one pan. I believe it's the moon pan where there's a fifteen mile ridge across the entire season conference of the equator of this moon. It looks like the avs and put them together and others piles of hexagons on these moons. And there's a number of other moons. But i've hypothesized that they've created these moon so that they can pick up the frequency enhance the frequency through the saturn ring system because crystalline based pickup that frequency via the moons and then transmit those frequencies to our the the woods. Right so that's where the moon comes in because about twelve to fourteen thousand years ago. The acadians were you know in their literature. They had no moon. There was no moon in the sky for them and they said that the moon just suddenly showed up and then it was about that time. All these alien abductions began so what. I've hypothesis that. They brought the moon so that the moon can begin to transmit this frequency. Pick it up. That's been transmitted from the saturation. Aspirin system and our moon is picking that preconception that frequency as being transmitted towards the earth. Now if you take a really close look on the moon. There's a huge satellite on the moon the size of football field. That's pointed right at us nights. Aw hypothesized us. That's where the is coming from now if we want to look a little bit deeper a few years ago there was a show on ancient aliens and You know these scientists. They did an experiment on these mice. And they put these mice in a maze and And they put cheese. Oh so we reward them for going through their Through their mays and I two three times these mice did it. You know perfectly there were on the ball. And then the began emitting this Certain frequency which they wouldn't tell us what it was. But they began emitting this frequency and all of a sudden these mice became extremely hostile to became confused and irritated and And they had no idea where we're going and then when they would come across each other they would begin to fight one another start bite each other's ears and you know what i'm saying right there fighting each other. And then when the scientists hold a frequency off these mice they went back to being normal. Right so what. I've suggested is happening. Is that you know this frequency. This being harnessed from saturn is being omitted to us is causing us to be and this barbaric behavior in which we've been involved in the last twelve thousand years living off the reptilian brain right. The reptilian brain is the oldest part of our brain. So that's a reptilian brain this fight or flight syndrome. Do i fighter. Do i run right now. Let me look at it in our in our lifetime. You know in our lives in our previous history over the last several centuries. It's always been fight fight because we just don't seem to have enough we just want more and more and more more more is either more power moorland more food more girls more booze more drugs you know just constantly more and more and more more more and thus the reptilian part of our brain that's operating right so that's the frequency that's being emitted is causing us to be in you know behaving in this manner because when we look at older literature coming from you know say the You know the vettix speak of humanity being extremely peaceful You know we're we're telepathic. And you know we You know we did all kinds of telekinesis and you know we traveled. Dabba our minds Across space time and then for this for us this to happen. You know there was a war and those wars are clearly indicated when we read the ramayana. The mahabharata is You know and and other literature. Like the popa wu and You know it explains to. It's clearly that I came down here and attacked and we were in a war with them and clearly we lost by. Because we're in a situation which were into the this could really be attributed to the watchers because there was fifty watchers that came down and the leader of those watchers has nameless sham. Sam jaza and what some yesterday was he organized and created the civilization in which we live today meaning that he created the justice system and the education system. And the way way. Who's the watchers. Who wait a minute. wait a minute. When did the watchers come The watchers showed up roughly about the same time you know about ten to twelve thousand years ago You know the watchers. Are they talk about it in the bible to You know but you have to look at You know outside the accepted books that are like in the in the bible you gotta go outside you gotta read like enoch and things. Yeah things like that and it clearly tells us that. This group of watchers came down. There was fifty of them and You know their leaders name was sam jaza and It was jaza that You know help. Create the civilization in which we live. And that's why all of it is controlled. The zodiac actually by zodiac by Saturation because they're from saturn. You know what i'm saying. So they want the that. Were you know that. They're trying to harness off of us. Our energy feeding the the saturn system were these beings when you know when you're when we vibrate weren't a at a low distortion like let's say when we're at war events like nine eleven happened things like that when we're extremely sad collectively. That's a huge huge entered. A blue energy to this beings and their feeding off of this energy and this is where the aluminum body and You know in the masons and all these other families they come in because they you know essentially our representatives in our in worship to this being you know like i said before when the chattahoochee left they appointed kingship. Now when you look at the kingship these guys were a crown on their head. Now the crown you know is cronos. You understand crown proneness rights when they're crowned they've been krona's their representative of cronies and then they have to worship cronin so all their efforts throughout their lifetime is dedicated towards krone. It's now look stephen. Do you agree that that's your contribution for the episode. Now back to omar up now. Now tell me that. Stephen it all seriousness. You are you are you. You've have you Done i mean when you both look at this. Omar presents a really indepth You know nonstop sentence of facts and i. I don't know if they're facts but they're definitely It's a compelling argument. I mean do you when you hear him say all that. Is there any point of disagreement. You research that like. What do you do with such a profound understanding of the world. Well the that's that's the fly in a lot of people don't realize their history. How complicated it is the Help or backup. Goes all the salient points. Locally mr mnuchin you hit the nail on the head right there. People don't understand their history. All they understand is what they taught in the sausage factory when they were squeezed out of there. And that's it. When did you awaken. Omar when did this happen for you. Why did it happen while. I was never asleep rate so i don't need to wake up. Are you in the elimination. How do you know these things. Yeah what happens. Search i read i read. I read lots of books. And i research. I read articles and I read articles. And you know you pick up tidbits of information sentence in this article and a little sentence in that article little sentence in that article and then when you begin to connect the dots. It all begins to make sense. And that's what the problem is. That's what mr alluding to is. That people don't seem to connect the dots even when they're giving given the information my rate mistreatment or yeah i mean after it it's a. It's such a complex history and people. I certainly aren't taught this an ice core grades. I mean they talk about history roman history and all this and they should if they have very enquiring mind nation. Pick up a lot of these puzzle pieces but usually just boring topics. but you know like the grease. The grecian's are the roman empire. They they believed in all they had Names for god's based on all the planets mars. I mean it was all part of their existence and I don't know it's just like our world has been so doll down like we don't inquire into these things anymore but they're very much part of our environment. It's very real in everyone's while then a a researcher like the jim marrs will come out. What his book on on the body and he goes to the whole thing from beginning to end to present day. And it's like. Wow this is going on we're have we lost control well longtime ago. We lost control back in a mystery. Religions What do you think's the most compelling evidence you both that kronos is real and that this is more than just a quote unquote conspiracy fury anachronisms. Nadia conspiracy theory cronos as the time of god. Or you know the god of time He's represented in many different religions and around tile as a rip and hinduism he's You know represented as calima and you know in greek. In in greek he's cronos It just goes on and on. But let me ask you a question greg. Have you ever wondered. Why almost every single flag in a world either has a crescent or a star on it. Yeah sure i mean. I've never actually no. I haven't really actively wondered but now that you ask. I do okay. So i'll tell you why this is the proof that you're alluding after The star is Sachin because our in the old called Sachin is known as the dark star. The black star the lord of the rings and the why the crescent is. There is because back in the day when you look at saturation. When the earth was rotating sachin would appear to be a crescent You know in You know would be northeast. Southwest as the earth would tilton as it would dr rotate so because of that Saturn our story because of that Crescent is why all of these crescents. That you see All over the place. Like for instance side you know. Take a look at the un symbol. It has the To wheat arms right Got the they got the two weeks and actually a crescent and from the crescent It evolved into a horned gods like satan for instance You know that's what the crescent evolved into was into accra into the horns and then from there it evolved into the two towers and there's an evolution to buy two symbolic that's connected to saturation. And the occult right to the reason. Why all of these You know nations across the world majority of them have a crescent and a star is because it's an honor of krona's now we look at the old soviet union flag It's clearly a symbol of Of saturn h yeah the hammer and the sickle. Why the cycle when we look at the grim reaper. Grim reaper holds a cycle and grim. Reaper is an expression of saccharin. Right when you look at grim reaper. He's always worrying a Time what do you call those sand things. An hourglass only yes. Yes yes of time. Because saturn is the time of god or not time a quad an expression of saturn as god right. He's the god of time and you know and then again we look at cali my. She's the time god of time and you know it's not the only example you know. I did a seven hour. expose on youtube. But if you go to my channel I go through the evolution of of saccharin. Some biaggi us to you know how it began and where it is today and you'd be surprised to know that You know you're exposed to saturn symbolic you know hundreds and hundreds of times every single day. Now you have to remember. The symbol is an expression of a frequency and a frequency as an expression of the symbol. Kind of like the music language rate. You have the denote if you press the denote you've got a certain frequency. And that's what's happening with this but the symbionese symbolic when they place all these symbols everywhere. What they're trying to do is collect energy. It's all about energy. yeah. I mean. Look as a hypnotist. I know the symbols are very powerful. They are a direct link to the subconscious mind So i totally understand that. At what point. I mean is there ever a point and i think this again this is i want an. I just want to know what your response is to those Were to say to you. Hey this is great. I think you're doing what conspiracy theorists do. I think you're recognizing patterns and just saying the symbols. Are there that in. It's a coincidence that it all looks like that in your twist. You're making a pattern of it. What do you say those people. Why is it not just that. Well what i'd have to say to that is that the word Conspiracy as for a lazy mind. It's for a A brainwashed mind. The programmed mind and you know and they have no aspirations whatsoever to investigate anything in their lives beyond their nine to five loop that they're stuck in and And that's it. You know those are the weak minded people that you know we find in the heard and you know. They'll migrate with everyone not knowing where they're actually headed. You know what i'm saying right. As this whole term. I would consider myself as a conspiracy theories investigator maybe investigating the conspiracy theories to see if there plausible or off. So that's why. I read books and watched seminars and attend conferences. Hold events You know bring speakers together to discuss this type of stuff. Because i'm investigating. Their claims conspiracy theory is something that's created by the cia to dislodge people's minds from asking questions and then they made the term mainstream so now when a lazy thinker comes along and they don't wanna do any research then you know they're just simply say oh that's conspiracy theory and that's it and then they move along and i don't want to exercise their minds. Sorry what were you saying. We've been programmed to look on conspiracy with suspicion. But it's it's really ridiculous because conspiracy isn't everyday day event. I mean it happened between mother and fathers and sons and daughters neighbours. Wait we deal conspiracies. We conspire each other. It's not unusual. Oh yeah hey look look the. Us history. I mean my gosh cuba I mean the conspiracies are there. It is clear of the tuskegee You know like we have been doing the. Cia has been doing bad things to people and admitted it for a long time now. But it's still a conspiracy theory right right right even though the admitted. But it's still a conspiracy theory. That's what i'm talking about lisi. Mind right You know the guy can stand there and tell you but you know you're still going to turn around and say oh no that's a conspiracy theory. He's telling me to throw me off my bath riled come up with some sort of an explanation to satisfy their own little mind and And then move forward now. Hey look and i for anybody listening. I encourage you to do your research. Find these men's seek it out see what's real and what's not for sure i mean i don't think you should just stop in dismiss this stuff just because it's you know it's all it's so outrageous like now. There's there's some weird stuff going on. Don't leave a comment. That says you gotta link. Uh right right right. Though to google and put in some you know keywords and you're going to find your own links right just right as reference. That's what i'm talking about the lazy thinker and those are the people that say conspiracy theory right run around with that with that flag their hand and i have no time for those kinds of people cross paths with them You know my vibrations to hire in in order for me to communicate with them. I would have to lower my wife. Abrasion and My goal is not to lower my vibration as to increase my vibration so dealing with those types of people is really taxing on energy. So i just. I i don't deal with it you know it's like arguing with someone about flatter if you know it's just not going to happen and i'm not gonna do it you know i've done my research and i know the earth is round. That's good at least. At least you have that boundary. So i don't have time for like the low fiber tori Stuff you know. I mostly intellect consciousness and and it was the consciousness. That kind of led me to where saturn is. Because i understand that You know saturation is a is a conscious field of energy and that is i cannot surrounded our day to day lives and our planet and And we're doing things not because we want to is because we're being forced to and And we don't realize it and that's the problem but when you begin to you know when you begin to open up your eyes and you begin to realize exactly what's going on around you then Then you start to connect the dots. Like what if i told you like the three major religions of the world are actually worshiping satan instead of god but i wanna hear it. It's not are there not You know they think that they're they're worshipping. Jesus christ or allah or whoever that they away there you know. Yeah y'all way but they're actually not. They're worshipping saturn. Look at islam. Actually let me take you for a little tour. You know when you look at northern atmosphere of saturn you have this huge hexagon. And what is a hexagon. Hexagon is a flattened out to cube right. So now we come here to earth now here on earth we have this Little religion called islam which was created in five hundred ad and In five hundred eighty you know. The general profit came along to my passed on his message. I'm sure he you know meant well when he started it but their focus of attention and worship as around the kaaba in mecca. And what is the kaaba kaba means cube right. So they're worshipping cube and they're going in concentric circles around this cube and then when we look at saccharin we have a ring system. That's going concentric to to its planet. Now we look at judaism in judaism. There were a little thing called the tough line on their third eye on their forehead. Which again is a black cube and again. The cube is related to saturn and we look at christianity. They're of attention is the cross and what is across across is a geometrical cube shipping cube. All three of them you know they you know they may have had good intentions to begin with but when this hijacking of our consciousness happened they weaponized these religions against us right so people don't understand you know when i was a kid i used to say you know about the greatest trick the double has ever pulled is not to make you believe that he doesn't exist is to make you believe that he is god so that you worship him as deity and not the real god but you know for me. I'm not really until like god and satan and all that kind of jazzy stuff right You know for me you know. I'm an expression of the infinite consciousness. All that there is ever was never will be. And when i depart from this avatar. I'm just gonna read connect with the infinite consciousness and there's no heaven hell anything like that. It's just a control system that this are comic alien forces put into place to control us to harness and to farm our low density energy and then all these illuminated groups and all these secret organizations and such that you have across the planet are simply just agents of this one particular force to keep us in that low fiber tori state Stephen agree david is a pretty grand theories there he i was gonna say this sounds a lot like stuff that he said before. Yeah and Pity intelligent guy. He kinda outline how. There's a the all mattie operates with a thesis and anti tisches down through history in idea of that come out with a separate service which in itself is just another form of evil But it it through the ages. We had these thesis. Antithesis synthesis is supposed to be another form of evil out. It just strange people have studied this. They're living their daily lives. In total darkness. And of course david points out in a lot of his writings. And if it he feels that We're in a war zone and we haven't really achieved to go beyond beyond this war zone into a higher higher Elevate elevations we're just kinda stranded here in the world is a this is like a. He also talks about what that whole simulation idea. The beatrix yeah and that this is just a projection for. I mean that that earth is just a grim. Yes let's the mo like it seems. Very i don't know like special effects are mainstream scientists. Are you know even talking about earth being a A hologram that It's part of a much larger and much greater matrix you know. That's our mainstream scientists You know our reliable sources That are that are telling. This and david was talking about this like thirty years ago. And i'm sure the scientists were investigating this stuff when he was talking about it but they just didn't come out with that information until just recently like two three four years ago. Maybe where rod. They're really begun to talk in the debate and discuss the idea that we in fact maybe living in simulation Yeah i mean we've heard elon. Musk thinks it's highly probable. We have to snap out of the thinking of like i pinch therefore i am right Just because you pinch yourself doesn't necessarily mean that you are right. It's in the mind of the infinite consciousness. This is in the mind of the infinite consciousness. Lake you greg our projection of me as i am a projection of you because you and i are both projections and focus of attention of the infinite consciousness so we shared the same consciousness. But we're just a unique expression of it. And that's all he does. Consciousness and that is re experiencing itself like reminiscing right thinking back. Yeah yeah okay so wait. Let's let's go back to. We got the so the formation of the illuminating. The families and i'm also curious about the difference between the aluminum body and how it branches off into the masons and some of the other groups Rosa croutons. and all. You know people always say oh. This one group was in charge of stuff i mean what is the illuminating. The overarching group. How did it turn into the rockefellers and the rot like like. How does this y. Where did it all start i to me. I think it's just You know different factions different groups As i stated earlier when the chattahoochee left the planet they appointed kingship winding through those kinship appointed their own people. And maybe somewhere disgruntled and maybe some work then. They broke off and created all these organizations and religious cults and Kind of stuff for themselves but this whole illuminating thing you know it really. It comes down to the. It's more of a tidal than an organization. Ray because the aluminum body you know it really means the illuminated one right illumination luminosity nights. Where this whole thing comes in from was Was that The pope and and the king of france You know they were after the the knights templars. I think it was an on friday the thirteenth. They blitzed them and You know and then grabbed them all and some of them escaped but a lot of them were were murdered. Right than those who escaped went underground and You know expanded on their On their network sent were in control of a lot of money and a lot of influence and and and just kind of branched off. And when did that happen. that happened. That was like in the eighteen. Hundreds i believe Can't really quite recall the year off the top of my head. But that's where the friday the thirteenth will deal comes from. Right is because it was on friday the thirteenth that They were blitzed by the by the king's forces and the pope's for seats and they've englanders fifteen hundreds. Okay yeah so i was. Yeah so it was a while back. What point does not the the while the pedophilia start while this has been there from the beginning right. It's it's been part of their religious Ritual from from day one. It's like i said they obtained virgin children and And they put them into a high state of fear and then when they're at their highest data feared they're killed them and drink their blood because of the The The andrew chrome that's about how many religions are built around the cult of blood. lakeway goes back longtime aztecs. Mayas english christianity. muslims You know they. They're all into human sacrifice than diagonal child sacrifices. Nothing new right. After i was gonna say is it in the texts is it in. Evidence is evidence others happening my believe the greeks might talk about it and they're writing and that You know they would We know the spartans for instance When a child was born they You know if if it had any deformities or whatever they would just toss it off the cliff. You know who's to say that You know their secret organizations and within their when they were going to dispose child that they didn't sacrifice it right. It's all speculation at this point but You know these people are not stupid right there. They're not going to put their plans down on on paper for everyone to read like a manifesto race kind of like nine eleven right where you had. The hijacker who supposedly died in the plane but then they found his passport in a bar. Right rosie going to get on the plane without his. it's too it's too perfect right so you know. They're not going to operate in that fashion. There's probably like literature and latin rate. Or you know in sanskrit dr things like that but I doubt that there's going to literature. That's available to the mainstream like us. That would speak of those things. Maybe if we go to the vatican library there'd be You know information there that relates to that kind of stuff but not in mainstream. There's no way is right. Because i mean the thing in less common sense right common sense tells you you know that when you make a merger plan you don't put it on paper though. Of course you know. I mean i i i completely understand that i also see that. Well i guess. I'm looking at you know like if we're looking at the history of the catholic church I suppose that stuff isn't writing but it did come out. The abuse came out in a tangible way. And i'm just surprised after years and years and really asking this from a and you might say well. This guy's not critical thinking enough but from a critical thinking perspective. Wouldn't you think that after thousands and thousands of years of pedophilia and child sacrifice. There'll be some smoking gun here. It is this is all the things that people have said for years. This is the evidence. It's there i mean why. Why isn't there were they. It does happen from time to time it. Just that the people that are actually doing the Affiliate don't want it known so here you get into the the question though but conspiracy you know and The sure there's there's a conspiracy behind it. Why why is it on the front page. Because they're involved in it. That's why it's not in the front page right right and not to mention you know. Pedophilia was you know not taboo. Until just a couple few years ago right until the information age started. Pedophilia was pretty normal. Right you can go to any small community. You know you'll find You know huge cases of Of pedophilia incest even You know back in the day like hundreds early nineteen hundreds. You have a farm but seven. Ten kids You know the nearest neighbor is twenty miles away right. What do you think's going on right. The daddy's doing all kinds of things. Maybe the moms involved in there but almost every single household was involved in that kind of stuff and it was just quiet and it was accepted right. Just like beating your children. It was accepted. It only became taboo just a few years ago because the allocation of consciousness and the awareness of that fact that it's wrong and you know the child. Pedophilia from the church. It was bound to come out. I it's not that they could have kept it a secret forever. And the only reason why came out is because of the information age right people began talking and investigating and and you unravel pallone threatened. The whole thing's going gravel. And that's what's happened radios bound to come out right right right. I guess. I just wonder about the the higher profile. People that you know like like. Oh let's go with tom hanks. Well tom hanks's a pedophile himself. What do we know that for. Sure though how you look beyond the clues while you look at his tweets number one You know there was a tweet that he put out. Then he had a glove on there and Next to the glove You know there was a couple of letters that he had written on there. And i'm not gonna say the letters. Because i don't want encourage anyone to go to these websites or the search engines. But you know i decided 'cause i'm currently when i went down that rabbit hole. There's that guy multi buddha. Did you see that video. That guided No i didn't see anything like that. I was most concerned with tom. Hanks and what he had left behind evidence on his twitter. So you know. I followed the letters and i did a little critical thinking and And discovered what he was using and which platform he was using. And when i went and looked there i was horrified because it was nothing but pictures of young children being molested and then i looked at other tweets that he had put out there all with gloves. Then you know why glove greg because glove. It's a symbol of getting away with shit right because oj. Simpson put on the glove and he was found not guilty. So what he's doing that. He's branding brandishing. The glove in our faces sang that. Hey i got away with it. I got away with it so then. He moves to greece away his wife. Rita wilson rita wilson as a greek citizen and he goes down there and becomes a greek citizen now. The law behind. Pedophilia and greece is that it's not illegal is considered a mount mental illness. So he moved there. You know what i'm saying. When trump came into power because trump's whole agenda is to stop human trafficking and child abuse and And when you know guys like weinstein and epstein and bill cosby and all these guys started to come down. He fled to a country that has a non extradition treaty with the united states. You know what i'm saying. And the now a few days ago he dropped another tweet and You know it was. I couldn't really make out the object that he had there but he had the number. You know the nine of clubs there now when you take a look at the nine of clubs the oh called or you know even in in the car make Like reading cards and such the number nine means Karma right here let me look it up them. Just actually just looking into this. And i'm going to use it as part of my expose on On february the twenty. Greg this is the real world and they didn't people had telling you this isn't happening in the real world. You know i almost in some ways very thankful that we had the quarantines to the. Because i couldn't go outside i suddenly. I feel safe in my house because i don't have to interact with this in israel it's going was it. How is it aurora. How were you interacting with it. Every day stephen out of curiosity what was it like. Before how are you encountering at i mean well in my personal life you mean yeah yeah like what. Would you have experienced if when i was a youngster. I hear about a lot of it. Some of it actually happened to me You know which. I don't want to go into by embarrassing but Yeah the very early age. Allow out of the reality of the war zone. If you wanna call it you know but You can only eat ronnie. Pretend that this doesn't happen out there especially if you bring it in your own life you know. Yeah when you say and we don't have to go fully down to to the details but when you say it happened to you deeming to say that you were There was an active abuse. That involves somebody up as i was molested was it was it a was it a priest or was it somebody that you might call A member of the masons or luminosity nouri was a member of my family. My gosh yeah and do you think they're in and when you say it's connected to all of this what is what is the exact How do you connect the sort of metaphysical and historical significance of pedophilia to that. I guess when you're when you're you begin your is beginning to open I used to have like read. Science fiction That led the other things and reading the weather. Literature and You know one thing connects to the other eventually this my science fiction and Lead into my your vo interest mainly. Because i had a yoko citing an undeniable youthful citing back in nineteen sixty and that these are. There's asynchronous synchronicity between all these things. Right right if you could sit down and kind of map all these things out I i'm a big believer in young men. Synchronicity is popped up in my life maintains so you think they're good. Ufo's out there still like. It's not all the dark are conic. I mean there are alien beings out there that are they represent the light. Would you say why i personally think. There's two different factions some very enlightened beings and others are very evil. I that's just my personal united. Omar feels about it. Yeah i know almost kinda going deep into this. I mean i think what's what's interesting about this and i really. I'm sorry of what you've had to go through stephen a. appreciate you sharing that I think what's interesting is that it's Or at least what's hard about it is that it's it's how do you show it to pete. How how are people actually going to believe that. There is a thing without having an awakening experience. I mean they could keep doing the research all the time but until they see you. Know the the footage or the book that says see adrina chrome. This has been here the whole time. I mean how is the populace going to wake up to what this that. This might actually be happening. They're not gonna wake up the you know. It's like being in a madhouse and Born in a matt hosted this normal and can also far what's happening around the world for majority of the population of this is normal so is gonna take you know self awareness for people to wake up to see this. You know higher awareness of the self because if you don't understand yourself than how do you expect understand the world that's around you rates of the number one thing is to understand who and what you are and once you come to a clear understanding of that then from that point you'll begin to understand really what's going on around the world and that conspiracy theories not really conspiracy theories and that children are being sacrificed on a daily basis. Women are being murdered on a daily basis for ritual manner being murdered on a daily basis for ritual purposes. You can't force someone to wake up. Must like the old saying goes. You can take the horse to the water. But you can't make a drink right all the research you want but if you always have the doubt in your mind that you need physical evidence then you'll always remain in that state of mind is almost Leap of faith. I guess that you have to kinda almost begin to believe what you're researching after awhile than those dots begin to connect and paint a picture right than if you continue to ignore the picture. Then there's no point in continuing to investigate than research. Because if he can paint the picture don't believe the picture then what's the point The daily media doesn't go into this. I mean you're not going to read about Tidbits of it in the news. Two minutes of good news and twenty eight of bad right. And we'll stephen. You just got kicked off a facebook. I don't know if that had to do with any of this. Did you get banned for something you said i. Well i until the twenty third i. I hope they're not getting our did something. Just i don't know about but the club. He's part of the club. We've been banned from facebook many many many times off. For a few days one was a a blob. A show a show some they And i shared it because it was interesting. I didn't know. I thought it should be a harsh picked me up into the twenty third. The a few weeks or was a couple of months ago. I put a picture of a heart like a human heart and And there was a guy pointing at it. And i said this is a heart that means i love you and then i got banned for three days. What what was the reason. It goes against their community standards is. I don't know what's going on wonder. What community standards facebook. I know they're left us. They dug up a post on me from two thousand and nine and And then the band for seven days. Very weird Okay okay so wait a minute. I looked up the nine of clubs thing did you did you look up. A what would you find. The i looked it up. It's a It's a card of the adventurer All need to transcend an intense challenges of their suit. The club suits symbolizes the mind and how we think. That's the nine of clubs have difficulty letting go of negative thinking habits and what. It's tom hanks out. He has a very bad habit of abusing children. Right so you know. He left this little thing there with the nine cards. Like really who tweets. You know children's shoes and gloves. And how often do you really find. A child's glove or a shoe. Have you ever found one grade. I haven't i have i. I've not found one either. Mr. when have you ever found one or two no no. My wife hasn't found everyone that i know hasn't found one yet. Tom hanks just seems to come across those all the time. Now do you not find that. Like the little strange. Why is he putting it out there. You think it's communication he's communicating with a you know the members of the clan right the posse who's involved in the you know the sex behavior and they're trading notes you know. That's that's what i think is going on there like hey look what i did. You know you got that girl. What's her name ellen degenerate i. She was caught up. In in mayfair and now mayfair went investigated them and you know they had all these cabinets and These cabinets oddly enough had names of children and And then these cabinets you look at it. You'd think you go to costco. And you pay like one hundred nine dollars or you know two hundred dollars at most but these cabinets you know. They must to have gold knobs on them because they were like thirty five thousand dollars forty thousand dollars and then when you begin to look into the names. It turned out that lot of the children's names that they were using on those cabinets just happened to be missing children from around the united states and then suddenly and then suddenly those cabinets went back to normal price. So here's the thing that fluctuate up and down up and down. And then i remember when that came out physical evidence so they tried to allude to the fact that oh it's just You know human error computer error something but you know how is it that only one or two or three products have this again and again and again and again and it seems weird. Now you beat. Now here's my question. Steven i want to hear your point. Actually what were you gonna say. No i mean the the world we're living in you won't you won't read it in the newspapers and maybe just below the line you know but this is the reality of our just existence. It's it's going on. Now wait a minute let me. Let's turn back the tom hanks for a second. Is there a world and this is very specifically for you. Omar Is are you open to the idea that he might not be. Could somebody obsessively take you through and take you even in a time machine. To every moment he took pictures of those things. And you could see it for yourself and you would go okay. Yeah i was wrong. he's not a pedophile. Is that even a possibility in your world. of course it's a possibility. I'm not You know i'm not closed minded if someone can prove to me that he's not what everyone's claiming that he is then Of course you know. I'm down with that. I'm i'm a progressive person. But so far you know from the evidence that's popping up is surely is not pointing to that Here i'll i'll show you something. Oh gosh i'm nervous. I'll show you something here. I'm going to share my screen with you all right. Oh says host disabled participants I don't know how to say You can she. You can share Yet you sure you're all show you this image right here. First of all right you see that. This is the glove image that i was talking about. You see those writings right. There are one second. It's just don't see the letters. Well i guess anyone can tweet it but it says. Burn her rc. You i said you see that. Yeah yeah yeah. I see it. S rc usa. When you do a little bit of deeper research into this src usa You got some pretty disturbing Images and things like that Now are you able to see the screen. Yeah yeah this is a nine of clubs that he dropped on. May the nineteenth sure what that is but that kind of looks like a necklace If you if you zoom in kind of looks like a necklace and then you've got the nine of clubs there and nine of clubs is that You know you don't You can't let go of your bad habits ryan's then when you come over here in this screen is just you know glove after glove like look look at this one. Did you know. Here's a shoe. Here's a glove. You know here he. Is you know it. Looks like a frankenstein handwrite there. He's he's got some socks right You know it's just who comes up with this type of collection and who continues use defiant weird. It's definitely weird. Yeah he's like declaring. I am a megastar your the dollars and you can't stop me. That's actually on then. Oddly enough you know. Donald trump when he became president. This guy fled and then And the now that Joe biden is coming in. He was doing an inauguration. Show for him you know and then And then take a look at the inauguration got j. lo you've got What's that meet wearing girl now lady gaga lady gaga got a whole host of people. Justin timberlake you know the You know justin timberlake has a long. Mlk history along with a britney spears because he was a child star and they're brainwash them into doing what he needs to do. Same thing with britney spears on the have all these people performing at at at The inauguration couple of days ago. I think it was on the sixteenth thankfully. Only twenty. Five thousand people watched it. This is a guy that got more votes than knob. Rock obama great but he only got twenty six thousand views on his video of his inauguration to boot right so by really there's something Something deeper at play here and you know. Suddenly this guy shows up back in the united states because there's no threat of being tossed and gitmo. That's why tom hanks came back This is all very interesting. Total caddo and keep an eye out for him am right if he has the anyone. That's like displaying the letter m. you know they've got you know like i guess call it illuminates connections You know you were saying earlier on in the podcast about covering one. I right covering that one. I as again an expression of saturation. Because showing one. I that one is expression of the eye of providence. Right that we see on the dollar bill of the usa but when you go to saturn and you go to the south pole again. There's a huge storm there. That looks like an eye right in the now. Have people that are covering. There is You know making a circle around the i that you know you can't see me kind of deal right then you got people that you know take pictures and they put their hands in their pocket or you know into their bass jacket and then you know. That's clearly showing the hidden. Hand that rules right again. It comes down to you. Know symbolically gregory mary subtle. But you know when you begin to look for it and start seeing it. It's absolutely everywhere. You just have to be aware of it. That's all like i said earlier. Just self-awareness and higher awareness allowed allow. It has to do with the carl. Jung's synchronicity phenomenon. I i had one incident. is I got laid off from my job at for seventeen years. And i'm feeling melancholy as i would have to go back in the court and doing amendment. Whatever out there putting applications out and things and was on big ben and Driving along film kinda down turned on the radio and it was Any rogers you pick defying time to leave me lucille. Just as i pulled up to a big ben and lucille and these kinds of synchronicity is happen every day. You just brush up there. That's just a coincidence. Nasa universe attempting to communicate with you. Do you think the universe is nonbiased. Lie when you have a situation like bad when you have a situation like that Is that coming from the darkness or the light. Or is it something else entirely. Everything is light right. it You know for me when synchrony cities like that happened. The numbers show up Numerology is happening Things like that smells You know memories things like that. I think that is An attempt By the universe your higher self because you are the universe in attempting attempting to communicate with you because this realizing that you're vibrating higher vibration that you becoming aware of of what's happening and that's the only time really begin to see these cities and these numbers and such and You know a closed mind wouldn't see that right. So it's here's my question to you. Have to see the darkness in order. Because i feel that there are people in this spiritual community that are just focus on the light the neurology the synchronicity and they might not even go down. The conspiracy secret society paths What would you say about that missing. Are they missing something. Yeah they're new wagers. And you know a new age is You know it's the same old orthodox school of thinking wrapped up in a in a different package and put a bow on and presented to buy a lazy minded people Luciferians some of this new age stuff. The solved most of it you know. Everything is connected to low fiber tori. You know energy collection regardless of you know which school of thought enroll with right eighth years new wagers old agers. it doesn't really matter You know the thing that we need to keep in mind is that we have to keep everything in balance right. We have fifty percent dark and fifty percent light rain because were emotional beings and were capable of doing the both things and it's our choices that create our experiences our reality and our consciousness because of our actions rate so if we're always concerned with the light late late love love love. Then you'd pay no attention to what's happening behind your back and somebody might stab you in it rachel so you have to keep everything balanced you. You know you have to get mad when it's time to get mad and you love when it's time to love right You know you. Just don't focus on just angels and angels and angels right. because what's the opposite of angels demons lately. I have to you have to keep an eye on both. Nwa got lost in just one school of thought than you've lost focus and And now you've just become you know just another you know a bot mayor descend other one this just following the herd migrating from spot to spot to spot and not capable of original thought and And that's what's missing with a lot of people. They just repeat repeat repeat whatever they see they repeat and never come up with an original thought of their own. A lot of people will spend their entire lives and come up with an original thought. Isn't it with david. I refer to it lack of Have lack of creativity. Yeah that's what we're dealing with. This are conic force right. They have no creativity right because they're not Do you think the aluminum body created. Do you think they created the nine to five job d. luminosity. I was created long before the aluminum body came around the nine to five workday. Workday the i nine to five eight two four seven to three. You know i used to work seventy three shift. You know i call that a loop. I call it a loop right because you know you wake up in the morning. You have little coffee. You fight the traffic to get to work. You really worried about getting to work because you don't want to be late now you're worried you're causing lovato distortion within yourself. So now you get to work as a monday. You create negative energy single. I hate mondays. And thus creating negative energy in your work environment and then you get to lunch and then you have a sandwich for lunch. Normally and then And then you finish your workday hating the fact he of looking at the clock. Wait to go home now. You're in a rush to get home. You're fighting the traffic again. You know creating low vibrant tori distortion within yourself. Screaming at people road raging screaming cussing. Now you got home. You have a little bite to eat. You watch a little bit of tv you go to sleep you wake up and you do it all over again monday. Through friday saturday you go and cut the lawn sundays. You sit back and watch. The football game doesn't that sound like a loop only definitely does People have been trapped in for thousands of years. Well hey i mean what's the name of the show. Were trying to break it open. We're data loop creates low vibe. Rory energy 'love' yeah but but it was created before the luminosity the alumina. I thought they would have been the ones that. Put us in this Mind slave sort of relationship. Well short they got a big part to play with it. You know they're they're banksters right. Lot of the This organizations that fly under the flag of the aluminum body their corporations and banksters and I was going to say. How do they become the military. What's the transition between the aluminum body of in europe military industrial and becoming the military industrial complex and then becoming the deep state. It seems they keep going through a rebranding Can you can you sort of talk us through. Vat not expanded on it. I referred to as the military industrial corporate complex matrix because it has grown years. Yeah they used to be what was called. Pre pre trump. The military industrial complex was the buzzword that was at new world order military industrial complex. They all went together and then deep state took over. I mean Can you die. Yeah where where did this. When did the military complex corporate matrix come into play. It's kind of the whole ought actually a bigger picture than you know. Just the military industrial complex Washington dc is the district of columbia. Which is an independent state You know its own country in within the country London is an independent state inside of a country. And then you have vatican city which is a an independent country inside of another state To these are people the the vatican is their spiritual hub London is there financial hub. Washington is their military hub late. This goes back much further than The military industrial complex eisenhower warned us about this because he was aware of this. And and it's just been slowly and slowly and slowly and slowly just building and building and building and building into the giant that it is today. Yeah does this go. Back to the formation of the federal reserve while the federal reserve is just the way to take your money right to centralize the to centralize the banking system and in fact You know trump What was it in november last year. he became the head of the of the treasury. And that's what he did was. He took the central bank from the rothschilds. Because it's ross shells that owned the central banking system. He took it from underneath them and and i think it was the fed Gave it to the fed or something like that but the rothschilds are no longer in control of the central bank of the united states. And what that does is that that opens up gateways for other countries to begin to eject the rachelle central central bank from their countries as well because central bank isn't just the united states. The central bank is a global thing and a lot of these countries have been forced to go under the The central bank You know under the threat of military intervention kind of like what we had in afghanistan iraq syria libya right because these people they wanted to come up with their own currency and And the central bank can't allow that to happen because they wanted to deal in gold right. Like the you know. The moammar kadhafi for instance he wanted to an saddam hussein. They wanted to create a currency called the nadar or something like that. It was a gold gold. Based currency like it used to be before the The central bank but anyways when trump objected the central bank from from the united states. The threat of military intervention on other countries was no longer there. Because you know these You know banksters where us an are using the american army to carry out their agendas and other countries by you know inflicting war through politicians and such so by the central bank is much much bigger. Than i think one was created mr rubin like nineteen eighty eight nineteen thirteen. Something like that round your. I can got much older than that. So is the threat over of these of the rockefellers in the anymore because now we got their puppet right. We got a little joey in in the white. Now right and a little joist is going to go and undo everything that You know the real president did and the real president man you playing right into the conspiracy Yeah i mean at least at least popular yano no not conspiracy. No i've never been much for presidents and such. I could really care less. I don't really like any of them. You know for me. President trump is my president. I'm not even american. Okay i was gonna say what you know but you know trump is I would say he'd smile president because of the fact of what he's done right You know he went after human trafficking and child. Pedophilia and rapists and murderers. And anyone who goes after. Those people is good in my books. They that's right. They can have a president in twenty thirty two. And you know i'll still say trump is my president. Somebody else comes along and you know does exactly the same thing what he did by fighting You know this You know this deep state You know these hidden characters with all government's just not the united states canadian government does well because these guys have tentacles everywhere you know and we're gonna see the proof though we need the proof. I mean you know. It's all great if it's behind the scenes but is it going to come forward. Are we gonna see things arousing plato. Great now as as we speak even with the tunnels you think the the tunnels all that stuff this whole this whole covert thing. That's being played out of at first began as a Give medical tyranny and then you know in the parliament of canada. There's an mp Who brought up the question as to why the government is building internment camps throughout the country. And the answer was was to quarantine people and other people and other people. So what's happening is they're just gonna come to your door and if they can say they can take your children right now as we speak then come to your house. Take your children. If you have high temperature they can say oh. Sorry you know. Your kids need to be quarantined. The you're a threat to them and they can remove your children from europe. They can remove you from your children end up in these internment camps. And you're never going to be heard from ever again. You ever heard of agenda. Twenty twenty one. I have heard of it so we here we are. You know in twenty one and is it happening. Children been taken from people because of the there there has been news reports and the uk. Australia In canada and the united states where children have been removed from their houses Because you know. Their parents were tested positive. Wait first of all it house. I need to see those stories. And i need those gives came back eaglet. Google it man can i here. Here's another one a few years ago. We had that huge wildfire in in california right ryan and what was it like You know they were reporting and that You know was like something. Like four hundred and fifty thousand people left the state of california right so when they left the state of california you would figure that the population for neighboring states and other states would have increased right right but when those four hundred fifty thousand people exited california no state had their numbers increased and those four hundred fifty thousand people never came back to california. Either they just simply disappeared able. Where did they go now right. Yeah that's one of the big things that's a lot appearing. Yeah that's a lot of people. Where did they go. Yeah this is interesting questions and investigate on if it comes up to a dead end proofs that was Garbage to begin with then. No skin lost off the back right. I was gonna say. How do you through so dave into this at this point. What would it take for somebody to make you both go. Yeah you know what. I guess we got this whole thing completely wrong. Well really i have no interest in that because my evidence and everything that i've learned has led me to conclusion that such an entity does exist and is operating in within the world stage. And if i close my mind to it than i can. Then i fall into the category but the rest of everybody else. But i can't afford that luxury. Greg right because i have a podcast myself fan and i you know i interview a lot of people and in order for me to interview them to be on top of What's going on you know whether it's megaliths or if it's pyramids Or if it's good beckley bay or if it's the aluminum body or if his child pedophilia it doesn't matter right I need to be aware of what's happening. That's why i just read read read read read. I do lots and lots of reading You know when. I bring on a guest You know i do by you know at least a month or two worth of research On the person. And the topic. Before i bring them on and basically. You're saying everything. I've done wrong with this with this show. It's not at all not at all because we've had time to do this and then And then now is the you know not going to be released For for a while right for several days now. I definitely a lot of thought. Put into this You know it's been a fantastic discussion. So far greg researched a little more Want no that's good. That's good. I i do a lot of events and webinars and exposes and i know we're gonna linked to stevens website that that wordpress page of wordpress com 507 dot wordpress dot com will link to that But omar where can people learn about you they really can't i mean we'll link to your podcast well My shadow banned youtube channel on On youtube under watchers talk and You know beyond that they cannot look me up on facebook under omar did have a massive massive page on on facebook had You know twenty five. Thirty thousand followers and and facebook shot banned me and decided that they weren't going to put my stuff out and i was getting you know. Thousands of views on my videos and then suddenly started only get like eight muse. Nine views ten views and so and then eventually the deleted my page and You know when when that happened. I just decided i was done with facebook. I'm mark streaming on on youtube. I'm just now In just the waiting process. Now why do why do you feel safe. This is. I always wonder when i talk about this. I get nervous about doing an episode like this because of them coming after me killing me. I mean why. Why do you botha. Do you both feel that they're going to be after you at all in. Yeah they're after me. You can't silence me. You know just simply can't Why do they have. Some people live verses. I don't know isaac capi. You know why they off some people but keep some people. They wise david. I extol alive dufek for another powerful. I mean he you can put some David is stop on there and leave it be. Apparently i think david is abandoned faced. Why why why wouldn't they if they are so powerful and they can obviously killed children. Why don't they kill adults that are spreading the truth about this. What's your reasoning on that. Were they do. Yeah david david ike is. He's powerful not by the fact that he has hundreds of millions of followers around the world. But the fact that he's consciously powerful and your your thoughts your consciousness creates your reality so if you're living in the consciousness of fear that someone's going to kill you than you will manifest that reality and someone will come and kill you. He's spoken about it himself and he's been asked that numerous times and that's this was exactly his answer is that i'm powerful and i create my own reality and in that reality. No one's going to kill him except curled age wait. I've never heard this before. So you're telling me that the alex jones's of the world the the the people that are the big conspiracy buffs the people talk about because there are tons of people talking about this now in the mainstream more on. Okay that's fair. that's fair though. He does talk about similar. I mean he. He's the one that snuck into build a burgh that's his own claim to fame right beyond that You know he's a very annoying. His irritating You know he doesn't know show. Yeah loud he's obnoxious You know the things he talks about our offensive like the sandy hook for instance You know that you think that's too far. Yeah that's ludicrous Those are children being murdered men. And there's parents. I'm apparent right and You know somebody murdered my children and somebody comes along and says that didn't happen You know yeah you know. I'd be pretty upset about that and You know for me you know. That was his undoing right. Maybe he had a following up until that point but You know for him to come out later and apologized and such. he's just trying to save his brand and and that's it. I'm not even sure how he ended up the guideline david i. That's really a slap to the face. Yeah me personally because You know he's immediate get. Have you received death threats. Have you received death threats people. Yeah yeah i've i received a few right But i'd i'd like. I said i don't i don't take it serious. You know it's Keyboard tough guys and You know that's all it is. I was gonna say what the government or the deep state ever comprehend. Why why are you. Are you not concerned with them. Because of this mindset thing. You've been no i don. I won't create that reality for myself You know like i said. Our consciousness creates our reality that We exist in because each one of us creates our own show. So if i live in the bubble of fear then that's the bubble of fear which i'm going to attract if i'm paranoid that the men in black are gonna come for me or does he is gonna come for me or somebody's gonna come for me then eventually. That energy is going to manifest itself because thought is very powerful right. Everything is thought to begin with thought right. Now when you throw that energy out there it builds and it comes back to you like karma and And i don't wanna live in that bubble. I don't wanna live in fear. I wanna live in you. Know vibrance Balance and You know in harmony with you. Know all of my senses right I'll entertain the dark and entertained the light. Like i'd like for instance a few weeks ago You know my wife came home from work. And she said You know there was this guy that was bothering her at work. You know even though. I'm into love and light. You know my first question was do you want me to go to your work and break his legs right Because i you know just because we're all loving laid doesn't necessarily mean we can put on some brass knuckles and turn down. I'm yellow jackson on somebody right right right. Hey look will you. Will you put positive consciousness in the world for this episode in my life to cause i will do i have been right and can all share it around the my network and i Now i'm an i want. I don't want to end up. I mean these are. These are deep like vick controversial issues. Here yeah they are. This is terrible right. Just be careful. that's all i can say man. You know i've done livestreams. And that's all i do is livestreams. And there's keywords that you say and the algorithm picks up that keyword and suddenly starts to drop your ftp his and your a boy and then you know and then sometimes it just cuts right off. If you're going into deep right. Like for instance. I'll give you an example for a couple of years ago i was talking to this guy and You know the stuff came up and You know and i was like hey You know they've blown up two thousand and fifty six nuclear bombs here on earth in the last seventy some odd years since trinity. And if you do the math on it You know that's like one nuclear bomb going off once a week here on earth and you know all this. Gmo food and stuff that were eating is only because there's nuclear fallout and our soil can't grow any more food. And as soon as i said that my stream was shot off. Oh man won't just like that right. Because i was talking facts so is giving the truth right. It's not the numbers. I made up You know it wasn't anything like that you know. I gave simple facts. Can i just like i said. Two thousand and fifty six in the last seventy some odd years. Forty three something like that. The trinity happened. I become death right then and then up untold today You know if you do the math on it. That's once a week greg. One nuclear bomb going off every single week for the last seventy some odd years and we are made to believe in that. There's no nuclear followed happening right now. Why is it the cancer rates climbing since the nineteen eighties. Right why are we getting new. Why are we getting new diseases. And such that are just emerging lake lou. Gehri- for instance brand new disease right Connected to e t actually at this disease grows Red and blue fibers and yellow fibers. That are like plastic. Like and within your as lou gehrig's is connected to extraterrestrials brother. No joke no joke because when you look at the people they have like these really fine Wires almost that are like growing out of them and they have colors to them like red yellow blue. We're not supposed to grow those kinds of things right but you know there are people who are growing these things So there is a connection there kinda to the black goo that they found in antarctica Mysteriously disappeared in the sewers of england in london There's another one that they say is a conspiracy theory but There's documented facts behind it right bro we can just go on and on and on and this is just what now i mean look. This is wild stuff look okay. This is what i need to figure out from you both before we wrap this up. This is why. I do not understand how at least logic of this you've talked about putting the puzzle pieces together you've looked at. You've talked about doing research to substantiate these claims and and even having faith that this stuff is that this is true. bob. Here's my confusion ben. The aluminum pedophile 's adrina. Chrome all this stuff If there isn't documented evidence because they are hiding there hiding at they wouldn't put it out there. Then how do you come up with weird. You get such specific ideas of what they're hiding philosophically. That part doesn't make sense to me. Weird formation leaks inputs all leaks. It's only whistle blowers whistle blowers You know guys like alex. Jones that snuck into the bilderberg group You know things like that where you know you tidbits of information but when you got lots of people leaking information to the public because consciously they you know maybe they got tricked into getting involved. And when they saw the the horrendous acts that were happening there consciousness the good side of them just couldn't deal with it and they leaked some information out. some of them have died for like the doorknob. Killings for instance if you look at their cases every single one of them was about to pose This such pedophilia You know right across the world you know and suddenly these people are to dying on doorknobs and daikin all. Those are all symbols of these people at play right. So it's all leaks and whistle blowers and things like that and and then again. It's accumulating information from all of those people and then can open those types of leaks happen people's curiosity gets the best of them and they go and investigate find a little bit more information maybe find another whistle blower or another leak and And then gets piled up you know and then after a while it just starts to paint the paint a picture. Sorry were you saying but tell us a little more about the doorknob suicides. I guess robin williams was one dictum. Really yeah david. Karen dean Chef anthony bourdain the guy from What was i bound called. The since that song. Black hole sun soundgarden. But and there's a there's a number of them there's a bunch of them They were molested themselves and then And then they knew of information of this activity happening and You know. I don't know why. They opened their big mouths but the open their fat mouth and you know told these guys but they were going to do and of course the killed them and doorknob killing his kind of like a colombian necktie right. It's a message shut up. Don't say anything. Or what do you mean by doorknob. They'd they were actually found on the doorknobs they would have. They would have some title with type of a ligature around their neck which is hanging off the doorknob and And they want people to believe that People committed suicide hanging off of a doorknob. Now robin williams was enron. Come from yeah. Robin williams was gonna come up with information. I haven't really looked tuned. Far into robin williams. But i do know the robin williams was a doorknob killing and And then when you have no information from other doorknob killings. Can you kind of know what's happening right. what's going on with epstein and engages lay g lane. What's going on with those two You know i really don't know You know who knows if he's alive if he's dead he's connected to a lot of big names and you know if he was going to drop the dime on everybody then short the killed him. camera stop working You know Guards were asleep. Which i kinda hard to find because i spent many years in prison and cameras. Just don't stop working and Guards just don't fall asleep. We were you working in prison or were you were you were. Did you get arrested. I was serving time in prison. I m podcast about this. Why why why why. Yeah i was in there from Twelve till twenty four so by twelve years in there and my gosh majority of that time within sofa while not self but You know i was in Lawless hours yeah. Twenty three and a half hours a day. Get a half hour out. It's called the shoe right the special handling unit That i was on because You know my violent nature rain died. You know i just wanted to fight. Fight fight and very angry right So i just. I did some stupid things and that myself landed in prison. Oh my gosh. I got out You know it's just i. It's all been good since then but You know give me a lot of time to buy read you know again. I go back to reading right as i was saying. I've read a lot of books. So when you have years upon years of You know twenty three hours to yourself. Then you're either locked and you learn a lot. And that's what i did. That's why i was saying earlier. You not as never asleep by being awake this This entire time wild stephen. Were you ever in jail well. Only because apparent coup parental fights or. Oh my gosh. My stepdad mom. They try to beat their own their brains out each other you know. Oh my gosh my My mom. I mean i'm not happy about it and sometimes i really regret knowing that you felt the hollick the corner tavern was a favourite spot firm and i lived in fear a Learn to read somewhat 'cause i turn to television in my room down real low where you could barely make up the air you know that so vastly i kind of learned a combination of Reading here but no. I lived in my teenagers whereas my mom had remarried to a gentleman. my stepdad and They senator their lives around the corner tavern it was a it wasn't a pleasant time in my life and i have bad app down to my brother had bad activity in our spell the about We all have our own devils are on depths depths of The mirror morrison things. Do you think there's a coincidence here that both of you have Come from violent dark childhoods even spent time in prison. And you're now lecturing all of us about how we're stuck in a mind prison sorts know. I don't think there's a coincidence. That oh i think there's a down august of meaning behind it all without assist a random things and The universe working and You know kinda brought us together and energy were compatible and we've had respect for one another and remained friends over the last few years and really. That's that's how it began by. Here's a little bit of homework for ri- yourself and for your listeners. Greg Up until now speaking of log lane maxwell and Stein steam Glenn maxwell is being held in custody and the new york Penitentiary or reisman. The remind center and Up until now we've had Donald trump as the president who's been fighting human trafficking and child pedophilia and has The judges of continue to deny her bail because of flight risk and have kept her imprisoned. Now that joe biden is becoming. President must keep an eye on glenn muscles case than does see when she gets bail and when she'll be released in the next month or so. Oh that interesting. Yeah look i. I can't say necessarily agree with everything that's been said here though. I've definitely invest. What makes for a beautiful debate my friend day. That you've made me wanna you wanna you wanna research or this is very controversial stuff. I i am nervous constantly about diving into topics like this but i also think you know why not we need. We need the truth to come out and we need to explore this stuff you know. Hey what's the worst that could happen. You hit a dead end and turns out not to be true. Okay gimblett entertained you for a while. Yeah but you're not saying none of this. You're not you're saying it's true. I mean you think it. Yeah yeah yeah no. It's not entertainment for me. You know it's a lot of research. A lot of reading led me to this. And i cannot say were not true You know i wouldn't talk about it You know. I i'm not into spreading misinformation or you know trying to convince people right You know i'm not into that at all People doubt that trump is fighting sex trafficking. Because he doesn't say it doesn't say x. I mean he's talked about human trafficking. But he hasn't said i am taking down the elite head of files of hollywood. He's never heard you said that that he said he's draining the swamp great and he's fighting human traffickers and child. Pedophilia is part of that human trafficking. That's assuming that hollywood is this satanic ritual. That is i think that's what's so hard for the the left critics to believe they go. Oh yeah they think we're satanic better files and you go. Yeah but where. where's the satanism wearisome. Well not. Everybody is tonic in hollywood. You know As just You know just a few powerful people and dot few actors that are involved in this bad behavior right we can't You know simply look at everyone that works hollywood and say they're a pedophile right. We can't say that it's not fair and it's It's not a nice thing to do right. You know for instance You know when you look at You know an actor like let's say Orlando bloom right Who has no connections to any of these groups and he just simply wants to create art and movies and live his life right now because he's involved with hollywood does it mean that he's a pedophile. Of course not. Right as bruce willis a pedophile. Of course not right because these guys are not involved in these types of things right no who those came out over. The last couple of years onto attended epsteins island and Anyone who was going to have scenes island was going child orgies right and And a lot of these names and hundreds of them have come up. And that's evidence. Right there stephen over you saying about donald trump say donald trump certainly was aware of it. I mean donald trump was no clown like they tried to make them out he was very Into it Type of president. I mean he was just a day. Brought up the deep state you know about Donald trump called well for what they were. I do agree about him. Calling out the media. I think it was at least necessary to make people. Question ed's No i don't know if everything is fake news. I well okay. i know. That's the nature of debate to ask yourself. This is a politician you know goes to congress or becomes a senator and has a A salary of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year right. How is it that when these guys leave office there multimillionaires. How is it that. When barack obama came into office he didn't have almost a penny to his name but when he left the white house he had almost forty million dollars in his bank. dislike happen. How does that happen. No one questions that right because there's corruption involved in their. Wait a minute wait. A minute isn't theory The job salary trump his salary was Five hundred thousand dollars a year and he donated all four years of his salary to children and other organizations that were related to children. So you think. Barack obama was involved in what child sexuality drug trade is. Okay saw go like this Hotdog right fbi released a statement. They're back a few years ago and they decoded this a pedophile talk and for the pedophile. The code was hot. Dogs were young boys and Pizza were young girls now. Brock obama and Hillary clinton emails where barack obama ordered a hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of hot dogs to the white house but yet there was no picnic. There That is that's a little weird. So why is he ordering one hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of Hotdogs and this email is You know it's available. You can go online and you can find it but there's not one white house staffer that said yeah. I remember that day. We had a ton of children there. Come mysteriously would you say that. I probably would not say that right if they you know when you work at the white house year under the silence clause. You're not allowed to say anything once you leave the white house of anything you saw or heard in there or there's going to be some serious consequences philosophically how this is all a problem. Though how i see it from you know from the barn perspective will the idea being that. Well there isn't prove but that's because there can't be is the problem back. Conspiracy theorists are just goes back to the faith thing. They're gonna have forever okay so here charles. Manson was considered a serial killer. But yet he didn't kill anyone Why is he labeled aerial tiller. When he didn't kill anyone actually that's a good point. Just never he. Yeah whoa he never killed anyone himself but the people that he was around went and killed people but yet he was labeled a serial killer because back in those days he was talking about consciousness and he was deemed dangerous. Wait so how does this connect to this this philosophical conundrum of the the evidence vers actually. That's that's my point. There's no evidence that charles manson was a serial killer but yet they labeled him right over here. We have no evidence physical evidence to prove. That guys like Brock obama and tom hanks are pedophile. But yet there's more than enough evidence out there if you look at it and connect the dots together and say okay. This dot connects. This dog connects this dot connects so this guy a pedophile right. There's no evidence ones being labeled charles. Manson is being labeled and this guy over here is being labeled as well but yeah evidence evidence right. It's like. I said before you know you're not going to really find a whole lot of of criminal activity. He tried to keep the evidence down to zero you to leave nothing behind the evidence. They'll definitely off your. Yeah but sometimes shit happens and you do evidence behind and that's when you get caught young people need to you know. Connect the dots and think to themselves. Why is it that this man owed one hundred sixty thousand dollars worth of hot dogs but yet there was no picnic happening at the white house and now hundred dogs are connected to pata files to wanting to screw little boys so if we put those two together kind begins to make sense and when hillary clinton says oh well you know we can do it at the white house. You do whatever you want. Because you're the president. I still have to find a lot of this in court the devil's playground and it in court and it's they they can play around with the evidence there you know so it doesn't always come out in your favourite using desma. I like i said you know. People are asking for evidence of criminal activity right. We're dealing with a very complex web of you know a network that's been engaged in this type of activity for a very long time. They've honed their you know their they're game. Can they know exactly what they're doing how they're gonna do it where they're going to do it whom they're going to do it with so they're leaving next to no evidence behind right so to ask for evidence of this type of stuff happening you know is Is naive right because you have to connect the dots right. People think that the justice system works for them but the justice system doesn't work. The justice system is just there as as you know. The painting on a wall. Right is is a metaphor. It's an idea. And that's it. Because when real justice needs to happen it never happens. Geelani minds me of salem. Our north american justice system and the world justice is kind of like what happened in salem. You're aware what happened in salem right. Where does women were accused of being witches ours. Yeah and they they you know they. They hung them and they killed them. Right you know. That's the justice system that we're dealing with. That's what i'm talking about with the justice system. You know when you have money. The justice works again it. It finds you not guilty but when you're a small blue collar worker and you commit a crime then you get fifty years in prison right like i said you know. It's salem is just a painting on the wall when you have money and power. The justice system doesn't work for that and it's not interested in working for that. Yeah yeah wow. Wow so at the end of the day. What are you know the illuminate either still here. You believe yeah there around and And we just need to learn their language and their language is Symbolically they they speak in patterns and symbols and once we are decode their rod know their language. Then we begin to understand You know how big of a network they really are. Thing i've got to keep in mind is that You know these guys on corporations and businesses and big businesses and everything that they own Like a graffiti artist. They need to tag it right so when they tag it. They're showing to other organizations that they own this certain particular corporation and almost ninety percent of the time when you look at the logo that they're using is such realistic and yeah just you know what i mean. Is there someone that gets that a top of a corporation. They meet these people and they go. Yeah have you ever. Have you ever tried Children before. And i think that goes on our time a guy that goes you know what i'm an older gentleman. I the doesn't a guy ever go on strike. I i love women that are of age. And i don't think i'm gonna do the children thing but this global power things kind of cool i mean was it always have to go there. Yeah i know you're not gonna get people that make it to the upper echelons of these pyramidal based the You know if you're just a regular cannot joe off the street You need to be a made man. Right lake You know how they talk. And the mafia you gotta be a made man right In order for you to make up to that level of power You need to be connected to a family You need to have bloodline and you need to have already showed Your commitment and you're loyalty to the organization. It seems unnatural. I mean are you telling me that people who is unnatural but it happens is is an unnatural but people still do right. You know. It's it's been entrenched in our system for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. What about the state. S that say. Hey i practice this. But it's not this child the eggs stub your you know those satan is that Ninety nine percent of them are like hollywood satanists right. Were you know the seen a movie of pentagram and a few candles and sitting around with the ouija board and out the cat right You know those are. The you know satanists That are really majority of them are right but then you have debris small portion which are extremely dangerous and die and there you note put into organizations like the aluminum and stuff that we're talking about right you know but You know there's two different types of satanism going on got the hollywood version. And then you have the occult version right. Nieto called version of the most dangerous version. What you you and the other thing is you said that christianity is You know really or really the the religion of satan. I mean but i've also heard some people go now. The answer to getting out of this this darkness these occult forces is to go to jesus jesus is the way we need to pray the jesus. He will help us escape. This aluminum new world order kind of control. I mean what you say and those people are right on the mark with it but you know the thing that You know. I would have to disagree on part with that. Is that you know. Jesus christ is a metaphor. The fact that jesus christ is a An idea of higher consciousness of a coon delaney More so than than a physical person that You know walked around a couple thousand years ago so for me. You know when somebody says jesus christ the first thing that comes to my mind is christ consciousness rate which is a higher form of consciousness so when people say that we need to accept jesus christ into our hearts. You know what they're really saying is that we need to accept the christ consciousness into our own consciousness so that we can increase our own awareness and our own consciousness but when you look at all the books that are written in the bible that we have in our in our You know mainstream bible when you read that you can. All of that is also coded. You know it's all coded language you know look up a guy named michael ealy I work closely with him. And he's written about Seven books on christ consciousness and die. He goes into very in depth detail. Check out my youtube channel. I have about Ten videos from him Three our four hour webinars where he goes into deep detail about the characters in within the bible and What jesus christ Really is very very fascinating very interesting stuff and makes a lot of sense i. He'd make a fantastic gus. Where you show greg now i i definitely have them on and in my gosh i mean i tell them about you and in the put you guys into contact. I think you guys would have a facile fantastic discussion. Yeah i. he's an absolutely amazing guy. Mitra doing a workshop expose with him on february twentieth about The saturn moon matrix and how joe saturation From the Esoteric side and. I'm going to talk about it from the alien side. We're gonna hold workshops and You know when you go through all symbolism dr that the illuminated us In order to buy you know control the financial and spiritual aspects of our day to day lives. They are working. People even learned about that workshop. If you're band on the internet They can probably They can go to event bright Event bright On just google event break go. They're putting watchers talk and And then my stuff will come out or you can go to crowd. Cast and i put in watchers talk and and my My events and such will Will pop up switch gears from strain because a lot of my ninety percent of my stuff is free and i've kept it that way but you can on the last couple of years i've gotten into Paid events Because i found that people are you know until like lazy thinking and And the information that i was You know bringing forward You know people are really they would watch but really take no action On the information that they were getting and you know and like i said you know. I spend a lot of time dialoguing with people all across the world putting these events together putting the abused together and You know and then one day. I just had a thought that i was like okay. I'm not gonna give my stuff for free anymore. And i have someone who is interested in learning what i have to give then than they can buy a ticket to one of my events and And as soon as i started doing that You know. I started selling tons and tons of tickets and and the now. I'm attracting the type of people that i need to attract people who are interested in the subject matter that i'm talking about and are not gonna really waste my time. Yeah evener you making money from this to figure out how to make some dough. This guy's figured it all nice. I don a pound some of my sites but other than answer that really. It's awfully. I mean i need like ninety percent of my stuff is free but when i do hold events it's a twenty two dollars and twenty cents a ticket and with You know many replays you you want right up putting with no limit on that now. I think it's very interesting stuff and look at this is Hey we will link to of the links that are available if the let us put him up For both of you. I mean stephen erdman and of course o'meara faizy both of you. I got it right. I got right. I know you were waiting for the moment you guys have been. I mean my gosh definitely. We'll see if this see if apple. Podcasts are spotify. And given the way they've been treating joe rogan. Let this stay out there. We'll see but yeah. I mean it's definitely been a conversation that is makes me want to investigate even more and that's all i can ask for so gentlemen. I very much appreciate having you on the show. Yes thank you thank you thank you greg. Maybe happens back sometime especially omar. He said he's the powerhouse. Yeah no i definitely want to have you both back so yeah. Let's definitely set a time to do it again. Yeah we we accomplish the goal for for the evening. We had a great discussion nice debate. No-one got mad. And we'll be walked away with is You're interested in learning more about this and hopefully listeners. Listen to this Way law walk away with the same thing and say hey. I wanna learn more about this and i always say on my on my streams is. I don't believe what i say right died. Just simply use what. I'm saying a reference and go out there and Donald search and research and do your homework and come with your own conclusions and you know we come up with those conclusions. You're interested in discussing that with me. I can get a hold of me. And i'll talk to you about it and i said i'm not really out to convince anyone For me it's a. It's a a south journey in in understanding myself better in my environment and that's really all my goal as in So this really was a fantastic discussion because no one got angry and you know we disagree that in some parts. But that's the nature of a debate. absolutely absolutely. i loved it and stephen. Do you have any final words. Well no we pretty well covered the waterfront. Yeah no i Just that it's a serious. A serious reality are there. Unfortunately the trickster runs it out on this planet. The what. I call a trickster and you'll find a lot of these ideas on my website. Wordpress bible seven in. I enjoy just being learned talking about these mayors great a i liked it as well. Thank you so much again. Thus we have it the hidden history of the luminosity. And guess what it's still hidden. that's what we learned. You can't see it. It's of course you're not gonna see it because it's a hidden history though. If you're trying to bring it out it makes it a little more difficult when you can't see it but but i guess that's the title of the episode and and they wouldn't want to put it out there anyways you see their philosophical issues with us but omar's aware of that and so as stephen but they still say the do the research. I'll keep researching. I hope you keep researching. And i hope you enjoyed this episode. If you enjoy open loops conversations that ben. Please make sure to leave a five star review on apple podcasts. We're gonna come back with some some little less heated issues coming up this week and the go into hypno- realm again but definitely thought this was an interesting interesting discussion and light of everything going on and hey i'm open to all sides that's what the show about. My loops are still open. Hope yours to next time goodbye.

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Make Your Brain Span Match Your Life Span

Fading Memories: Alzheimer's Caregiver Support

1:14:55 hr | 5 d ago

Make Your Brain Span Match Your Life Span

"Welcome to fading memories. A podcast with advice wisdom and hope from caregivers who have lived the experience and survived. Tell the tale. Think of us as your caregiver. Best friend as you know. My mom suffered from. Alzheimer's and cognitive impairment affected my grandmother and great grandmother. It seems to run in my family. But i've learned my brain. Health doesn't have to follow the same fate as those who came before me. I am doing what. I can to improve the health of my brain including eating a better diet and exercising. However i learned recently that when it comes to nutrition most of us are still living with undernourished brains. And i know i need something to fill those nutritional gaps this led me to neuro reserve and their product relevant relevant is a nutritional supplement that restores the vital nutrients free healthy aging brain renovate includes seventeen the most important nutrients that specifically target long-term brain health. These nutrients come from the mediterranean and mind diets which studies have discovered can reduce our risk of alzheimer's by over fifty percent. You can use my code f. M. fifteen fifteen percent off of your order. This code is good for subscriptions which will apply to all future orders as well as individual orders go to neuro reserve dot com to purchase. The link is in the show notes and you can also find it on my website. Neuro reserves mission is to help our brains man match our lifespan. Many of you have wanted to know more about relevant by neuro reserve. And that's what you're going to get today. I renovate is a neuro protective nutritional supplement. It is the first and only nutritional supplement designed specifically upon brain protective dietary patterns like the mediterranean and mind diet or the dash diet originally pioneered at the rush university medical center. Now what i've noticed myself is my sugar craving which you guys know is totally inherited and the total sweet tooth monster. That's very difficult control. Yeah my sweet tooth totally under control. And there's a lot of times where i'm like i don't really need it or want it. And that's a freaking miracle. So we're going to hear from dr ed park all about neuro reserve today. Is ed park. He is the founder and creator of neuro reserve. They have a product called renovate that is designed to help fill the nutritional gaps in our diets specifically designed to help our brains. I hope i said that correctly. Especially since i take It's like they start talking. I'm like wait a minute. My safe obviously enrollments working. 'cause my brain remembered all the details with no not so. Thanks for joining us. Ed thanks thank you. You have a re-generation of women in your family that have had alzheimer's All hundred dementia memory loss. So i'm sure in you really know about this and so that's just great to meet you and we i in our first conversation was super great to me you now. We're doing this podcast now but like it was really nice to meet you. Obviously the people who are listening probably really really care about you know. Obviously the pupil caring for and also their their brains as well so thanks. Thanks you're welcome so it's to me. It's very important. Caregiving is so emotionally physically financially. Not that you're helping on that work but it's so draining and everything that goes with caregiving me and i felt this personally. Just not great for your brain and it's very difficult to do. All the things that are suggested the meditation the sleep right to get the exercise. Get outside eat right. It's like that's a whole process in itself and then you're trying to take care somebody else even even for somebody. That's maybe taking care of a young child is a. That's a lot of steps and things to go through a lot of steps that. I'm just taking care of myself pretty much so i was really excited that you guys approached me to tell me about neuro reserve and relevant. But let's start with your story. I know that most of the people that i talk to they don't just wake up and say i'm gonna come up with this thing for brain health. There's usually a backstory the backstory so learning the backstory primarily is is about my family. Though my my i have family history like you of neurodegenerative disease my case. It was my father who was diagnosed the age of forty nine time period with parkinson's disease for of your listeners. Planning understand parkinson's and alzheimer's have a lot of crossover between the two policies. And but then later baron what happens to many people van band of with lewy body dementia. And so that's also what my father. Uh suffer from the last movie five seven years. He had he parkinson's and the later louis by dennis for about nineteen years and And so he knows when. I was like teen apple. May house does a young teenager. And so i yeah. I didn't really know how to process that very well. Frankly i and and then you know. High school happens call. It happens and bad was doing okay. But then after college. And that's when the manchester earned setting and for it lewy body. Dementia is a little different from from alzheimer's type. Dementia it bits. There are major hallucinations. Involve of it. So it's very Psycho pathological reisig. You're detached from reality and you start to see things that aren't there here things that aren't there and it's very real. It's it is straight up real on. My father would always be people be looking into our house from the outside the windows things like that. And maybe they're bean. And there'd debbie people in our attic and he be trying to to get them out or trying to flush them out you know and newspapers all of the windows to make sure nobody with man or look inside. It's it's a it's very detached toco situation and And so my mother really took the brunt rights when it comes to caregiving. My mother took the brand of she. She took care of him. Cheap and there was you know obviously like most caregivers right. There's a point at which she couldn't leave the house anymore. She couldn't even go to the grocery store because of what might happen while she gone. And obviously mobility was very difficult for my father later on also because of the movement disorder associated disease. Fry it. so there's so. I mean she really really shoes. An amazing amazing era giver. Not time and and so But in obviously it impacted the whole family so we are back and forth things like two sisters and all three of us were all back and forth housing various times in points. You know whether or not you my father's cute care on you know there's an episode that so that's a big mess that left a big mark on my psyche. Obviously going through the rest of my life completely hypersensitive about every little thing. That happens being gordon urologist. Basically saying do i have. What's wrong with me. I had a twitch and in my finger is do or up into like ed. Just go home is don't but the but then i come back again. I had another you know twitch on my late or something like that. Is you know and work me up. And but the thing is The funnily enough. I went in from cynical so i did. Fifteen sixteen years in pharmaceutical research and development and and there was a time when in. That's my most recent time before. Nero reserve stewing nutritional therapeutics for people who are extremely malnourished. These are people who are on tube feeds things like that. So that gave me a real appreciation from attrition and how much of an impact for people and so that's when kind of combination of personal experiences and then the professional side. I figured and i was going through my walls nine midlife crisis you can call it right so i i i had actually gone through. I'm gonna spill a little baker. I was going to a lot of other medical issues for myself. I had been taking care of myself very well and their law off with me about five years ago. A lot of things that caught up with and forced me to really think about my mortality. And my you know. A what am i doing to my body. How am i really treating. Am i treating the right way. Gene myself the right way and And that kind of brought together all of those personal vision smears. I filed said you know what nutrition can make a big difference made a big difference in my life and now what can i do. And that was the genesis of mirrors. What can i do on the nutritional side or brain health. This which is something. That really didn't want to think about because even though i run to the neurologist like a lot i also at the same time with not wanna learn about neurology nutrition because or knowledge in general. Because i don't wanna find on my risk right so people out there who are listening might be thinking the same thing. I don't even want to find out. I mean wanna know. They will risk. And i was very much me until valve or five years ago and at that point. I just found said okay. I'm gonna see if there's anything that can be done about prevention for mental health and if neurodegenerative diseases like alzheimer's parkinson's lewy body and it turns out areas when i was looking at the medicine and the science and where it's at nutrition ends of being a really big laver and you've mentioned a lot you know we're speaking right for you. Press the court here right but you're speaking about all these things that should be doing right. Nutrition is one of those big ones. And i learned that just five years ago i was like wow i can actually do something to protect my brain health. I actually have control some level of control over my brain. Fate and that was huge. Add to me and the thing is what i looked. At the landscape. There is a lot of great research going on pharmaceutical side for treatment after persons diagnosed after they get to the point where the air showing symptoms of negative disorder on the nutrition side. There really wasn't much that i saw when i was of like looking for nutritional changing like us proving my diet but at the same time wanted to find like nutritional products and supplements things like that to help by gas. I saw a lot of these light rain products. That were very kind of short term. or how. it's legal adderall. Or it's j- it's like a limitless pill it's gonna give you a boost. It's like a fire energy. Drink type thing that's going to give you that boost for the next sales call. You're gonna do the next you know. I don't know a code software. Coding you're to do is kind very much peak performance type stuff and i didn't really see anything that spoke to my own family experience and actually many other people's family experience because i know my story is not unique whatsoever right and so about long term brain health lifelong brain health so that that was a genus neuro. That's really long winded. Rigamarole right that. I've just gone through. But that was the genesis of near reserve. And that's what made me realize okay. Maybe we can do something here in the nutrition space or preventive hell brand and do it in a genuine way in away. That helps people. This is where we're at. You don't know everything if people's offense that is the best we can do right now to block some of those gaps like you described earlier than the i back into daily supplements literally like back into it. I live in. I live in the suburbs of san francisco. Far-flung sober key gets much further. Still be in the bay area and so it's it's a very much still an agricultural town. We grow corn cherries and walnuts almonds other things corn cherries and the nets are key air. The the main crop and back in the before times when i used to drive to the gym. There's a field are one year. I think it's even years is corn in odd years. Tomatoes doesn't really matter if i get that right. But if they swapped back and forth the crop because that's obviously good agricultural management. Plant courtney every year eventually are going to deplete the nutrients in the soil. I'm not super excited about when i'm out with our cycling club and i'm riding my bike in the crop duster flies by and that's like now. Fortunately we we don't have that terribly often experienced it twice in the last beckett poster decade. And i'm very. I went from late thirties very seriously overweight most of my listeners. Now i've told the story zillion times. It's not alzheimer's it's just fact is now had. A photography client was doctor. She said you're overweight. You have a family history of diabetes. You're screwed and by saying the term or screwed fired up the competitive nature in me. And i was like i'll show you. I mean i never even seen this lady since she fell on this podcast. She has no clue that i lost. One hundred pounds kept that off for like ninety of it off for a long time in nagging to work on some thirty come on with. Menopause caregiving pandemic. But we're working on it. In my husband had a medical situation in them lead klotz. His lungs again is now. Espn blood thinners. The rest of his life. They don't know what's causing them. Which is frustrating. His both of us like to know like why why. Give me the reason why that. I can find the answers move forward. Not knowing why is very frustrating. But he knows what he needs to do in so he's now doing it. That's also helping my weight loss. But i went on the health. Kick journey so that i would not end up with diabetes and then learns that was for my brain health so but for the for the supplements somewhere along the line. I read that our modern agricultural corporations corporations. It's like what's the soil isn't as rich as it was a hundred years ago so even if they rotate the crops and well i guess the crop. Dust is probably a poisoned but you know in fertilizer. I don't know what are these drive by What they do to amend the soil. I must do that in the winter. Is they stuff. All winter long tune. It's like australia's they blow dust all over the c. Wash your car. You drive past the farm and it's like well now my car's guilty again but that's when i realized because i could see modern farming and i can tell them like that dirt's not black so it's not as rich in nutrients as maybe it was a hundred years ago or one hundred fifty years ago when they started growing corn in this town. And that's when i'm like. Maybe i should take a daily vitamin supplements to kind of enhance. What i'm not getting. Even i eat really healthy now but i am not getting the nutrients because it's not. It's not getting into the food. Yeah a big. That's a big problem. I think one of the poster child of that sort of like nutrient depletion from soil as magnesium. It's it's Is a big problem with with the how much it's depleted so therefore lots of food. That should have magazine lots ladies greens and things like that. Don't typically have as much anymore. So as i mean law fix it need to be made in you know Commercial agriculture. Yeah at some point where there were The red lion right and there's nothing in this food eventually. We'll do something about it. I think right now. We're still at that point. Where kinda can move along with it. you know. obviously there's organic and appropriation things like that. You know at a smaller scale Now days you know and you could find that some very expensive grocery store and things like that but otherwise yeah i have nutrition's a big issue that starting to make its way around the world so in california we produce like i don't know sixty percent of the crops for this country against your nevada. You don't got water to share some reply. Your your prior number one source of food race are chord across the country and across the world. So i had a brief instagram back and forth commentary again hokum again but a care home care home in iowa which is where my dad is from like. Oh we love our accord. And i'm like let's have a cornall. Use it me some years and all schiff you some of ours. We'll do a instagram live. Where we sample. And i think that'd be fun especially because my dad was from iowa so i would i be interested to know what it like. Does it taste different. 'cause ours is a sweet white core which it's probably not the best thing to eat. 'cause it's real sweet i. I'm sure the natural sugars in the corner. I really good and you have and we just got. We're we're late to the party. We got a Insta- pots of the pressure cooker. We got it for our road trip that we're taking soon and it's amazing how great the court is out of the institute by like. I've done it boiled. And i've done it on the grill. I've done it all kinds of ways in pressure cookers really really good really m fuses. The flavors i know we're gonna make everybody hungry because i think we haven't institute to and i just think of it as a way to make really really tender meat really fast. That's my wife. Rose like again there with almost spices and stuff awesome. Boom you get this super tender juicy chicken out early forty minutes on yes. Yeah that was. The first thing we made was a like a tex-mex chicken for taco salads because the meatless so infused with flavor. And i'm just going to tell you guys now. Ed recording like about lunchtime. I think the i think subconsciously. We must be getting hungry. 'cause we're talking about just nursing my morning coffee. Still so yeah. We're getting there. It's now now now now. Food is all my brain but what how was. Where do i want to go with this one. So we know we've discussed a little bit about why we need. The supplement our nutrition. You even if you eat organic and vegan and all that great stuff. We're still missing out on nutrients right typically. Yes there's when you when you look at how when we when we like. We have so our first product is it's on the market. Now right we want. We launched earlier this year. Our first practice told relevant. And it's meant to mimic or unhelped people mimic intake of really really nice overachievers and brain health at the people who live the longest with the healthy sprains people along the mediterranean people comp luzon's on things like that so we wanted to make a a supplement that matches those overachievers for brain health. And when you look at how they impaired you say the standard the standard. Us north american diet is another. Reagan died is profoundly efficient in a few different types of very brain healthy foods a particularly dark green leafy vegetables. That's just one of those things that really were up in some cases ninety percent. You know deficient so i mean there. There's it's ob meaning not ninety percent of people are deficient and the vision. C can be a severest up to seventy percent right. So it's you know and that's just one the other is. It is specific types of foods that are very healthy for brand like berries dark. Dark pigmented varies because the pigments that make them so pretty are also very protective as well. So so there's berries are not a big thing. Actually even though lots of strawberries i know are growing california which i love lots of other barriers actually either consumption in the united states of varies actually quite low and hopefully will we'll get to power having more barriers so there's there's elements and obviously not. I'm not sur. Are extremely important. For certain fatty acids and also for minerals metals. And we're talking about magnesium earlier you know so many other minerals on at the bay. So and and they they become really high rich and abundant sources of so before i learned much about brain health and nutrition. I did not eat nuts. I was not guy houses so not now. I'm i'm like. I'm like eating his main messes. I can't vaguely. Costco has a big old bags now so so eating a lot more that but still even then I did this test. And i think people should go here. It's it's a place called healthy brains dot org. So it's it's the cleveland clinics of brain assessment or brain health assessment websites all healthy brains dot org and there. There's a brain health index of. hi that they've developed. You can assess yourself in six different dimensions and like you said jan genuine. You mentioned a lot of them right. You know one of them's attrition and you can assess high while you're doing there and even for myself. I'm gluten free now. i wash my carbon. Take an awesome up all these things. I did. My brain health index for nutrition out of still underneath fifty percents bottles for one hundred so or two points. I was one hundred and thirty eight or so. It was really bad. So i feel like improved my diet a lot having fish like twice a week of so so i don't know you don't like fish right when we had our to know you chat idea. Recall saying that. If you told me that if i ain't fish three times a week i'd never get alzheimer's i still probably then i pause unlike no i'd probably gag it down but i wouldn't like it fried fish in wall. I don't eat anything fried because this is horrible for you but it's still good fried like you know even like the most destructive way of cooking it just. I don't know what it is. Because i live like we live right on the delta and people fish in the delta although i don't really think that's a great idea high-salt conscious lindsey in the water of no thank you. I don't think it's no but one thing is as i've gotten older than the last two years. Maybe i have really lost my taste for beef and we're my husband is actually getting into vegetarian meals. We won't go full vegetarian. I know that. I just know the two of us but eating less red meat is helpful. And i was gonna ask you a quick question. Because i have a dino which is highest in leg museum so nuts that are high in magnesium a. I believe it's almonds. Almonds are are pretty rich in magnesium We grow those here so so. Yeah so i mean. I think california's like a huge almond state right. Yeah it is the town next door to me is like grapevines in entries and suburban housing so that you can commute somewhere else. That's that's where i live. It's like we've got agricultural and a bedroom community that people generally until last year commuted out of. I don't know what's happening now. I can't keep track of the rest of the world. But have you ever seen how they harvest walnuts and almonds. Because i imagine it's really intensive having to break through the shell or walnut at least or we'll how they get them off the tree. No it's fascinating. And i learned this story from my dad but also living here get observant. They basically strap a big rubber belts around the trunk of the tree. And they shake the crap out of the tree in all the nets. Fall of the free my. Yeah my uncle used to do that. I think by hand. I have to ask the uncles. But i don't think they had a machine back in the sixties but yeah nowadays like probably late summer early fall bill drive by the almond fields and walnut trees in. There's like i dunno. I dunno it's like a gas powered machine it's basically It's only Yeah they usually put like tarps underneath them to catch him. But then there's people. I gotta clean them up and then i don't know they go processor after that. I assume his we don't we don't process anything other than the corn because it doesn't need much like we like if if the if the company in iowa will take me up on my corn off i can go over. Gnss farms and get stuff that was picked at like three thirty this morning in shipping to them. We actually took corn. Well i should back up most of my listeners. Know that my husband. And i are rotarians are club had. We did work with club. In india we helped fund in. It's complicated so not going to get into how how we initiated. Basically a quarter of a million dollars to set up to their hospital surgery the operating room this mother teresa's hospital in like sixty percent of the patients they see are like dirt horror and they have like one hospital hospital operating room Wrong word operating theater out of four was functional which obviously is great and through the magic of donations and matching funds and everything we re basically gave them a quarter of a million dollars in medical equipment. Which i've always said. I don't think that would that would flesh out entire operating room in the state so i kinda. I kinda wonder about that sometimes but in two thousand eighteen when we were in the convention this last brodry We got to go to gentlemen from that club. Were at that convention. So my husband. Literally got corn from the farm That's not very far for me. That was picked in the middle of the night and he said. How do i get this from here to toronto safely and they said we'll take it on board. It was literally wrapped in a wet towel in the transform. This stupid corn across the country in canada and then at the convention we gave it to the guys from india. Here is corn from brentwood. You you're so excited. I'm like this is the most in main thing you. Yeah i'm like couldn't we have sip the mccarter very straight but yeah so agriculture's like kind of like in the background of my life around here so know how many people pumpkin seeds sorry pumpkin seeds. I just thought pumpkin seeds are really fi magazine. Oh aids try to some some nuts. But i learned through my weight loss journey that my body is real good at hanging on the set and the only way i lost all the weight was to go super low fat and which meant white snow hole. A it was a little nuts. And we're not going back that way. I hope i don't have to go back that way because it. It was so low fat for two years that i wonder if i did a disservice to my brain health because it wasn't getting the nuts egge yokes. We were eating only lean meat which is good now. Yeah but now. The eggs came back. Full eggs came. I do eat some nuts. But i'm one of those news for the yolks. You know they have choline and very important for her brain and And of course there are the healthy fats. I mean paul. The long chain polyunsaturated values. It's like dha you mega threes from fish oils. Those are very important to take those two although the krill oil now that i take relevant i don't have to broil. Yeah you have really really nice substitute now. So yeah which is good. Because it's like the little pill container that we had for all of our supplements. I don't take any actual medications to supplements mine was kinda overflowing so i. I emailed your assistant. And i said how many of these other things can. I stop tiki. Which is kind of helpful. But i do. The other reason that i knew supplements actually were beneficial is when we talk about so three years ago. We also have local health hut cells vitamin supplements all kinds of stuff and i was just by energy. Level was not great in cases. This was like four hours forty nine so we all know time of life women at that point so i went to the health. Had said okay. So here's what's going on with me. I have like my energy levels not great and and the interrupted by a pop bottle on the countless. You need this was run by two ladies. And i said don't you know what else is going on right now. This menopause complex taking it. Since june of two thousand eighteen to twenty nineteen was twenty. Seventy like three or four years. I don't get all of the menopausal issues have hot. I don't have hot flashes. Did get warm ones. But i don't have disruptive stuff happening that most women do the mike and i've i've read like. Oh these menopause things these supplements. They don't work. Mike yes they do. Because if i don't take one if i miss a day day to it's like okay. Burn burn up. Where's my so. I know they work or at least you know psychosomatically working. I literally wake from. I didn't think the vitamins and supplements were beneficial. I was in the camp of you. Take them in. They just get flushed eventually to yes they do work and there's reasons we should take them so that's reasons it. It's interesting because the law medical advisors in the company when i first approached them you know they're they're they're various research institutions and and and when i asked about well i feel about helping helping out with a nutrition coming for for brain health. And obviously there's there's a healthy skepticism there right you when the obviously when they earned it out this okay. We're gonna basis on evidence back brain protective diets. It makes sense and they said this is good because it is really hard for people to change. I mean we well first of all again. I wanna say this you know we. We don't we don't want to Advocate that supplements are replacement for l. Dia that they're not going to be a replacement for what they ours as a tool there yet another nutritional fool that we can use to help protect our brand names right and when we think of it that way as part of a larger tool kit that includes exercise and obviously know training and things like that than that makes sense right and there's it is very hard for people to change the us the thing that physicians were telling me they see patients every day. They see their family members every day. And even when they make small changes in their diet or on the error daily regimen that they do. Whether or not the as a huge deal and and But but a lot of times that either for practical reasons or for stubbornness reasons or whatever it might be That people are limited. You know and so that. That's the reason why settlements for people like myself and others make quite a bit of sense. So yeah so. That's that's i totally hear you on that now and you can see them make you feel them making a difference and and as long as you understand why they're design the way zainuddin conference. They're going to revive infants before is has been an interesting journey from now taking a daily vitamin k. Basically it just goes through your system in ends up in the waste treatment plant. And to now i have a routine by as puts the supplemental bowl. That's on the counter. I pick up my water bottle. Take the supplements. And then i go do my exercise which helps get them into my system a little faster. I bet a. It's word for like occasionally. I'll have a headache. I dig it a lot of headaches. So i do actually take supplements that one too but there was one time years ago i was like. Oh my head is killing me. I popped two or three tylenol gun on the car to the gym again before times and the music is usually kinda loud gyms. We all know this. I was a little hesitant. Some lying up and down on all the exercise in the loud music is not going to help my headache by the time. We're through the warm up. A headache gone. And like i think the adrenaline from exercise jump started. The process of the tyler opposite literally was like twelve minutes from my house the gym so it didn't have time to get all the way into my system. i. I've experienced that several times. So i've learned things over the years and that's i hope it's beneficial. I'm not going to stop taking all his supplements to see if i feel differently on safe that the menopause ones were is like. I said if you buy mike by miss one day it doesn't. It doesn't take very long before all those charming symptoms start start popping up and it's like no. We're not a net. Let's go take this Sometimes if they're bad i'll take two is. It's one to two and so it's we've taken the krill oil markets that. I don't take that one anymore. His it's much easier to just take the relevant every day and that the gag down since so yeah okay. So if you're an exotic fish this might be the way to go. You know having having a metal Visual and ours is ours is from herring. Rose is from fish out. Yes a hearing caviar oil. So wow wow sounds cancer. Nova that really. It's it's very very it has a very high Abundance of dha in it's attached to a certain type of molecule that helps carry it into the brain more easily and more efficiently so there is a difference between the different types of mega theories out. There you know some standard fish oils are really good for the heart as we know bear types like the type that we've been our product of makes it easier for going to the brain so Something that we should pay attention to all my listeners. Should know we talk about this fairly regularly. What's good for your heart is also good for your brain vice versa. I have a friend retiring soon. His sleep apnea. So he's been using the cpap machine and his blood pressure has gone down and he was talking about the interesting correlation between better sleep in his heart. His blood pressure going down and other positive aspects of using the machine. And i said you do know that. What's good for your heart is good for your brain. And he's like no. I'd never heard that. I'm like you know me. I'm sure you've heard this. But whatever inci basically explained that you know. The lack of oxygen in his brain put stress on his heart and his brain. You're not getting enough oxygenated blood brain which is bad for your brain He was he was like even more excited to use this. So i'm always four. I like natural things. I i went from being like you. Exercise now to like literally exercise six seven days a week and walk the dogs which is not necessarily part of the exercise routine. It's just they need. So it's all. I feel like we're learning that brain. Health is more wanna avoid. Alzheimer's dementia or parkinson's disease or any of those ugly things that generally hit the end of life but not always like you said your dad was awfully young when he got parkinson's that we need to to learn the take better care of ourselves and that's not like i said it's not always easy takes time and effort and sometimes you're just like oh forget it can be a hamburger. Yeah it wasn't a while. That's that's that's fine i do. There's there's There's the mind diet in. You know you might have spoken about this before on You know that's that's very powerful diet. Now it's it's a it's a diet that can reduce people's risk of alzheimer's disease by as much as fifty three percent so that's not a small movement there. That's a big big needle mover. As far as risk reductions so so the closer people can stay on it even if people stay on it moderately can like kinda followed a little bit but not fully than they reduce their risk by thirty five percent so these are really carful diets and you know. That's obviously the reason why you know design the way we desire price but the thing is is just attention green leafy vegetables so everybody green leafy vegetable dark with vegetables right flank kale and spinach an opposite broccoli. Fennel coriander whatever you can find just the green leafy vegetables. Berries specifically as mentioned before focus on the berries focused on a fish. If you're okay with fish and especially cold water fish so cold. Water fish is very important because a water fish are the ones that are really rich in these is brain healthy fats right baby. It's because they're gullible lar- daily their the l. completely freeze unless they had a really fluid fatty acid inside of them. And that's the dha and yes oh olive oil tons of all oil olga grains poultry to alternatives to in moderation. And then not sincere. We talked about earlier right particularly walnuts. Almonds you know so. I'm trying to go through a list here of lane. Give remind your audience of the checklist red beans and especially like black and kidney beans and does a really important. Because like you're talking about diabetes earlier right there fiber level And we have beans. Lentils things like that it slows down digestion. And it doesn't give you such as spike hybrid blazers bike. You know that happens slows things down and and why and red wine in moderation. Obviously so on a lot of wonderful fighter nutrients. I don't drink either. Because wine gives me heartburn. I had Let's see was nineteen ninety eight. I had bronchitis in six weeks later. Gut strep throat. Both times the doctors gave me that z pack so it's like six antibiotics versus thirty which is very convenient but six weeks apart and we have a landlord. That was a crooked. I wanted to kill him. The only reason that i didn't literally i hope they. Fbi's not listening. I didn't kill him so it's fine but the only reason i didn't seriously figure out how to do it because i had my daughter. She was like six six seven years. Old i don't wanna tell you if i did Out of missed too much. Yeah that was. That was my my parenting from. Jail is not my idea of good time. So we'll skip that and then it's my mom needed care is probably a good thing that i opted not to run him over with my car. That was kind of my plan. This already thinks. I have this nice. Podcast hosts now. There are just let out the evil part but just had a realization. Because i've been taking relevant for like six weeks and in the past so my husband had his pulmonary issue over memorial day weekend and so he is cleaned up how he eats which obviously has benefited might might as well not working and lately. I have noticed that i have had less sugar cravings and i'm like seriously like the cookie monster when it comes to sugar so i go to say it's because elevate ch on not gonna stop. I made cookies the other day. I learn how you can take out half of the butter in replace it with silken tofu. It does not change the taste. It changes the texture little bit but then if you air fry them i have like a toaster-oven that has air fry setting but you can put it in an amazing cookies. You would. I mean. I have people that are like oh my gosh. She's the best cookies ever. And then i tell my took off half the butter and put in tofu and they're like what they're still good. That keep idiom. I literally made cookies. When i do. Is i freeze them. And then cook about four or five for a day or two. An afro has done bacon on like i. Just don't have the like eating. Actually baked cookie after lincoln spoons fingers and all that stuff. I just didn't do it. I'm like this is very strange. Something's wrong with me mike. Why am i not happy. I went to all of his effort. And i'm going to have cookies. What tomorrow so that is. The only thing that's changed in my life prior to my battling the sugar tooth seen who lives in me. That's interesting there. There are people that we you know. There's lots of people now to giving us feedback on how it feel really great because we try to speak with as many customers and people who started using it as we can. I'd say about half the people you know back and say there are effects that they feel quite quickly now and it could be very almost unrelated to the brain specific lot more energy or could be very specific with respect to less mental fatigue ability to for greater attention and alertness for sustaining time. So forth and other people has some varied actually clinically. Almost interesting and research re very interesting from a research perspective responses based upon their backgrounds. Because some people who've had cancer and chemotherapy human therapy actually. It's it's walnuts that actually affects your cognition. Because it's obviously huma. Therapies is toxic to some degree right so it has effects the brands know people start eating getting back to us on that based upon their experience with with relevant and there's a whole nother event and to me when i think about the immediate effects i i think that maybe one out of the seventeen or a few or maybe all i dunno may their profoundly deficient in one two three or many of those in all sudden they're being repeated and so they're feeling the effects almost immediately right and there are the other day i don't feel anything immediately but is on in for long-haul so that they understand brain health and preventive health and diet and nutrition in general long term effort. And they big going from back and say okay. Just do that and you know. I'm kind of like one of those people right now. I'm just you know. I just know that this makes sense. You know so so. There's a lot of different experiences out there. I think yours is actually. We're gonna have to catalog reduced sugar cravings. That'll be wondering well yeah. I haven't mentioned this in a long time but my maternal grandfather. So when i tell people that my sugar taste is hereditary. This this is proof right here. My maternal grandfather did not feel that a meal was finished until they had dessert in so they would have definitely horrible. They will help. Go little packaged processed. Sweet snacks after lunch and after dinner every day now. I don't know that he had dessert after breakfast. That would be my idea heaven but that's okay. I have berries almost every day. So those are nice and sweet and that helps a lot too but you know my my mom eight. She had terrible. I should like really soft teeth. As would eat bas the sticky candy and break teeth all the time and and she could literally eat hard candies or taffy as or sugar daddies or whatever all those crazy sticky things and still maintain like a a healthy body weight. She didn't have probably physically inside was not as healthy but she looked Never had to lose one hundred pounds. Like i did. That came from my dad's side of the family. So i'm hoping i got my the sugar teeth for my mom's side of the family and the bat gene for my dad's family hope i got the longevity from both sides and the non alzheimer's from debts like when you talk about genetics. It's really fascinating. But i mean it's taken years to learn to like tame the sweet tooth i have to actively until recently which is and i've noticed this because dislike dark hershey's kisses and i'm fine back and just for reference seven. Hershey kisses is a serving. So i'm not even getting episode. Mike two is enough which has never been the case. I've just have made it be enough. Because i know inside a sugar fat and i don't need that snuff except that i do because i get nasty if i don't have chocolate again. That's so important though. Yeah i it's really great that you're you have under control. Because metabolic and then prediabetes or diabetes. Just such a huge risk factor or for dementia a near genita- disease. It is once you start losing. Start losing or creating insulin resistance on in our bodies it's a it creates a lot of problems in the brain and so insulin resistance isn't just like a weight thing. Riots is definitely heavily because the brain is so energy intensive. I mean just sitting still here. It's gonna burn. It's two or three percent of our weight but it's gonna burn twenty five percent of the energy that we spend each day so it's punching way higher than its weight. I guess you can stay. From an energy usage prospectus. Brains loves glucose right. The rian loves other energy sources When we start to mess with that and start to interfere with that through insulin resistance or other types of Metabolic even it's assure affect the brain so and i got to watch it too. 'cause i got an guy like you. I've been trying. I tried on a better job. I i'm trying to ratchet back Like i always have chocolate chips laying around things like that. You know my coffee want stuff like that and and my my wife comes from a family were dessert was very common. Also so he's palm desert was like news is like the thing you know after dinner and i never really had my family. I got married nelson desserts becoming thing rice over. Trying to ratchet that back now bouncers sons well to things like the darker she kisses if you you eat one and like actually pay attention to eating it like let it melt in your mouth. You got the dark chocolate which is a little bit of benefits so have two of those and then drink some water. Usually you can like then do something get busy doing something else so that your brain is not focused on. Let's have more that you can generally take about third of the sugar out of baked goods before you mess up the chemistry of the recipe. So those are a couple of things. I don't generally take up that much sugar but if it says like a cup i will do like us camped cup so i've taken out maybe ten percent Silken tofu takes out a lot of the butter or the you know the garbage fat. We don't need and it adds in protein so you have a couple of these cookies that are warm from the air fryer which gives it the that like that. It wasn't a restaurant but like cookies. Shop baked that place called bakery style. Feel the cookie and literally. Because i think because they Use whole wheat flour like white whole wheat flour. They're feeling if you have a third one. You almost feel a little like oh that was just one too many cookies so too is generally plenty away. I cook them trick. My kids are able to eat so you know when they get their hands on sweets they could just gobble down and look at them on allegra cages. You're going to throw up just watching you. Just we our bodies can put up with a lot of crap when we're younger. I i've never been a drinker. I am solar-powered sunup. Sundown i'm asleep of never pulled an all nighter because that just doesn't work for my brain and it's just i don't. I don't drink that stuff. But i've read. Where like our bodies can in our twenties. We stay up all night drinking. Go to work on monday and be reasonably fine by one week. But that's me and but as in your thirties now not so easy as we get later in life it's just like our body just can't can't get rid of that crap. It can't cannot recuperate as fast as does what were ten or twenty or whatever. But what. I did lose all way into retrain. My brain was to start taking out the fats sugars and replacing. The we didn't eat a lot of white starchy carbs but replacing those with better starchy carbs. Slowly my personal trainer. Don't make all these changes at once because your body will just. It will revolt which i totally agree with. And that's that's the smartest think make changes slowly. So that they just become a habit restrict navistar. We have you said to us a lot of olive oil. We also grow that here. So i get organic fresh from local locally sourced olive oil. We do rate that's using it as your primary oil for culinary purposes is like the way to go on. That's just a wonderful oil like avocado as well. And it's one of those things. Where'd you can have a lot of it. It's not gonna. It's not the same as bader. It's not the same as any saturated fats. paulie unser monounsaturated fatty acids which are very healthy brain So and also help absorb rain food and bring in some new other new. Translate the vitamese lucia examined. Whatever might be that are very helpful for the browns lost. The helped us award food as well so the having that is really healthy and just just want to make sure people really understand bar reminded of all these things that we should be doing to protect our brain health. And and so just about. But i just wanna make sure that you. I know i was listening. Actually one of your other podcast. Earlier you go away deeper. It's like there was t- episode. you're talking about. You're talking about emotional emotional freedom techniques rat tat myself in meridian somewhere in my body trying to relax myself before this this podcast. So i wouldn't you know do you nervous renting. But there's exercise there's nutrition of course which was spoken about a lot. There's exercise which is extremely important. Could be just as important as nutrition right and the reason why we talk about nutrition exercise when it comes to brain. Health is because they actually easy to studies. let's say scientists and you know it's easy to measure them. It's easy to see you know it's kind of hard to measure sometimes but a lot easier to measure than how will have you cognitively trained yourself today you know lot easier to measure than how many social connections did you make state which are other things as well staying socially connected in hong training steeping this co morbidity these in check lake cardiovascular metabolic health and finally sleep like you mentioned that's something we can measure tunes as long as go on to rise sleep because obviously during sleeping during the sleeping hours that that's when a person's brain is basically all the waste taken out and if you don't do that in the waste builds up so short short or didn't msa sleep we get the the less and less more more the waste and debris ills up on our brains. It doesn't file the memories very well. That's right there's also memory formation long term memory formation happening during sleep as well so there's so many things that happen based always just think sleep as arrests so i can function as the best like sony. Deeper things going on during sleep so his sleep is interesting. I get a really crappy night's sleep you were talking about. How the brain busily punches above its weight class energy usage if i get really short just interrupted gore night of sleep. One doesn't even have to be more than one. God forbid it's too. I will wake up and my brain will be like yo. Let's have some pastries for breakfast like lead have on a donut. Donut sounds like literally the sugar. Fiend goes berserk in. I know it's because my brain thinks if i get some pastries and some tea with the caffeine then be like all sealed up. Yeah and then you're going to crash and burn in an hour but for little just one more but i just find it really interesting You wake up and you're like dang you know whatever the like this past weekend. The neighbors had a birthday party for his wife. And they warned us in advance that there was gonna be a dj and thank goodness. He was he was playing some really good tunes because they went past. Eleven o'clock and i could hear them and it was like a cat. I was really a joint your music. But now i really liked to have some sleep. I've just fascinated with the brain immediately. Goes to sugar. it's like not not. Let's have a nice hard-boiled egg in some berries to to supplement. This crappy night's sleep. No it just wants a pastry donut. And it's like it's almost like my brain screaming at me just like poor in garbage sugar white flour sats all the garbage. It's like a survival mode. Basically right it's like just give me what i can to to keep going. And and so it's like the brain is made for two things right. It's survival in Arriving right now for a person that survival was kicking married after bad night. Sleep next when we first moved into this house. There were no blinds with blinds on the windows in all the light. Pollution was filtering in in the old house. The bedroom faced open space so there was phenomenally last light pollution and after like i don't know who three weeks recently threatened murder. My husband if you didn't get blinds don't like dude. I'm asleep waking up every day and my brain is screaming donut. Like we gotta stop this so we fixed that problem which is good because not feeding my brain a donut for breakfast. His aren't even started to get through my workout. If i ate like that would not be. My mouth is the Must be hungry but my mouth like a dog. Sounds good like no. You're going to get lunch to be when i was in high school. I used to swim to get doughnuts right after the morning workouts. And i just make myself while we still wins. Donuts cannot he's around. Still you know. But like a twelve pack of winstons. Donuts right after swimming. I mean that's probably not the best way to recover like you said we were young. We could recover easily so your body got what it needed out of that. Not everything you know. and so. that's i think that's what happens. It's like as we're young. We can eat garbage and run around. And i was on swim team too and i made the mistake of giving that up for band wrong choice. But that's okay. That was forty years ago Actually they might have been forty one years ago. But it's a guy I used to eat breakfast. Ride my bike to the pool which was probably between a mile and a half and swim for at least in. our can't practices. Were an hour hour and a half and have second breakfast. So i trained myself to like basically have the equivalent of four meals so i gave up swimming. My body didn't particularly want to give up for meals day. Oops burn off nearly as many calories marching band as we didn't swim team so much martin quick and say now that would have to be like sprinting band. Which really has to play now like. I said it was the wrong wrong choice. It the band in the swim practice van practice practice competed and the coach on soon team violated his own rules in. It made me angry. And i was just stupid teenager. So i'm like whatever i'm just gonna do. Martine van and like. I said wrong choice but now walk dogs. I do all kinds of physical exercise. Let's see. I eat everything on the mind diet except for the fish as a red wine so i think i'm doing okay but i'm gonna do i'm gonna go to the healthy brains dot org and see where i wear lamb d- maybe i'll do the healthy brains dot org. It's a good websites with the cleveland clinic. We have a couple of medical advisers from there. So you know gosh but but they It's a it's a great resource for people to just get a feel or where they're at with a number score if you will offer their for their brain however other maintaining kind of protecting their brains over longer. Because i i think the big thing that people need to understand there are things that they can do. Even if you are genetically disposition to perhaps you know develop a neurodegenerative disease in the future that like for instance the most common and risk factor genetically for alzheimer's is the apo four gene. Right in if you have one wheel of it or if you carry two wheels that increases your risk by quite a bit of carry one wheel of it. Then it's like three x. Increase in in rescue carry much twelve x increase in risk by gene is malleable. It's pliable you can bend it you. Can you can affect its long term. you know. They just long-term effects by adopting a lot of these different strategies that we talked about. So don't don't don't just give up. If you know for some reason you gotta test maybe even twenty Watch you found out you have the apo e four gene. It's it's okay. it's it means sure you have to work harder. You need maybe more of these healthy fats. Especially if you have. Api because it's a fat transport effect. Why should say defects transfer variation because. This is not a factor. This is common in about twenty five percent of people out there right. So it's not like this weird netted mutation or anything. It's just the way we are people. Just wanted to the ways we we've been we are now so So you can do things about. That's really important now so anyway. That's i wanted him to genetics part. Because you know people don't wanna find out right. That's fine because if you're going to do everything anyway objector brain health and y you know you're going to cover all the bases anyway when people do want to find out if they do they shouldn't completely Become a you know just how lot despair knowing if they do that they have that sort of gene some or all of this stuff. We've disgusting taking product you know supplements like elevate if you have both genes which like you said as tough time. Twelve x risk factor which is like roof gives me the treaty saying that's not relate very comforting numbert if you even delay one year of symptoms. You may outlive your life expectancy. You might died before you get to the really ugly symptoms the later stages of alzheimer's that are really really not fun to live through or anybody. So that's that's kind of michael. Once i realized i did all of this healthy stuff to avoid becoming diabetic. My dad was. He'd been on dialysis the kidney transplant. Instill didn't take care of kidneys. Basically died from kidney failure. Didn't want to go back on dialysis. Anybody that's never experienced. That dialysis is not a way to live. It's just a way to stay alive. So yeah let's let's take care of that problem before it happens because again like sugar. And i didn't want to do dialysis so that i went through all that to avoid that. And then i learned how much it benefited my brain and then our very first rotary convention. There was a it. Was one of those breakout sessions for people who haven't gone to conventions answer the little side meetings and it was piece of brain health and i thought what the heck kind of topic is that but it's brain health so i'll go listen to it. And essentially they were talking about the su- nami of neuro cognitive diseases and the impact it will have on the glow which is definitely a we kind of went through that last year so we kinda got a precursor of what it could be and they talked about you know if we can delay the onto the symptoms for one year it saves this many trillions of dollars. If we can put it off five years it seems like i don't know numbers of dollars. I can't even fathom. And you know if i go backwards in time with my mom. Five years. Five years prior to her gas she was okay. She wasn't super easy to deal with but she wasn't like she was the last couple of years. So it's like you know if we could pushed how she was at seventy two in the later seventies before she died. You know it's just what a benefit of everybody that's my that's my goal is to your everything i can to stay healthy in once you get into an exercise routine. It's really hard. Your body doesn't like it when you stops. I know it's. It's the other addiction right. All those like organs and stuff. I get released like i want more. Yeah i was having kind of a. That's hot mood this morning. And then i did a great peleton class in. I knew i was going to have like nice conversation with units. Like look my mood is one hundred percent better. That's the power of exercise that i really love in. I do wanna throw out what. My trainer taught me a long time ago cannot exercise off bad eating. She's right sucks like e too much pizza. Hamburger french fries and beer. I don't drink beer either but my husband did you can actually all day not get rid of that that garbage diets. I'm oh your bodies the needs to move in sync in fed properly and it's a lot to maintain but it's worth it. Yeah that's that's a. Yeah so that's another thing added things to avoid. No so i bought the process meets red meat. Sugars suites in any of that. That's just that's really low in new transom vary high and some very bad things i could send you now the diabetic path or something along those lines and i want that want alzheimer's so keep exercising. Keep eating right and keep taking my relegate keep challenging my brain lergy things they miss sleep good is i know a lot of people listening to this day. They know very well what's happened. Or what the stakes are so So there's a lot of the people that don't think about brain health as much and we don't realize how much it really are oliver law. All armenian life life comes from relations we have people just interacting with people human talking right now exchanging ideas or talking about our stories to each other. You know and everybody. It's all about relationships in our brain stores and enabled us to engage in that now so once we start to lose that. And that's that's that's huge. You know when it comes to our in the purpose for our lives and being yielded chief the purposes for our lives and so being able to think and learn and remember and create and especially to love right to people. That's just as bad as what our brain is is right in the middle of so. I know that a lot of caregivers. I i saw with my mom especially i mean. There's just so little time. At a era of themselves and areas are at such high risk for arizona quite at risk of cognitive decline. You know because lack asleep exhaustion. Obviously depression that comes along with the you know those are all factors right eat in and so just the little things that could be done to help them move a little bit closer to to a brand new godiva or brain louis last august little things. That's free wish. Been pooh-poohed that big monumental shift along thinking make the little things like like you said like ten minutes peleton committed. Peleton mega high translator defensive chain so probably some person screaming at you through irene. My avoid that guy but hit classes are a lot of jumping. And i got crappy knees from being overweight for years and i fell twice once on each knee so unfortunately right now living two story house with the like my knees complain all the way up the stairs and they have twenty years. It's been they've been grumpy for twenty years so again. That's another reason to worry about. He taken off the extra weight. That's on last four years but is is amazing. You know in ten minutes you think. I'm like a bird very many. what can i do. ten minutes. Must mean these ten minute hint classes. They like different hit to the face. Yeah ther- there was one morning. I was running behind and i had a recording. Like we're doing now. And i'm like i know i'm gonna regret it if i don't do something on. Let me just go see what the options are. There's like i dunno thousands of options and it was like. Oh ten minute hit class. I have times that trust me. I was really glad. I didn't pick the twenty minute one which remain the same intensity just doubling time and our pella. Todd is upstairs. So if i'm jumping up and down it's kind of like it's a little much you know. There are options in once. You learn what some of the options are. You're like okay. Like i have a past guest. Used to walk with his wife and then he used to walk when caregivers were at their house and it in. It's good and bad thing but it got to the point where he couldn't really leave her so he would just walk around house House walking which okay. It's definitely better than not. I would've liked to have seen him get outside because the sunshine is good for as long as we don't get birds. Mike bands now. That i am like super pale. And we've Trying to think we talked about vitamin d with dr elena recently. If that's this week's episode. We're not as a matter yoga guys all here. Yeah and i actually before. I go on a bike. Ride will look at the uv index. Where it's at right now. I have sunscreen in my bike bag. And i will go out of the house. Ron pale chick and ride between thirty and sixty minutes depends on the uv index. And then i will. We'll take a water stop. And i will apply sunscreen. As long as i time it right. I get lineage. Vitamin d no somber absolately. So it's just a lot of things we can do that. Don't take a lot of time once we're aware of them. And that's why i liked to have conversations like this because you know like i told you before. I had to gag downstairs to avoid. Alzheimer's i would probably try. It would not be happy about. And i don't drink wine ebola. Everything else is good. So mike about eighty percent so if relevant can salinas twenty percent. That's huge you know. Even if it's only doing ten or overestimating my eighty percent. Like i'm not great at math so you know but take it for what it's worth do that. Exercise is sleep right and i'm reminding myself that i need to wear my apple. Watch bed in measure sleep again like trying to do that like once a month. All of these little things will add up. I know they will dockers. Might disagree or there might be other evidence and says oh yeah. They may or they may not. I know they'll add up. And so i'm just going to keep doing it and i think my husband on relevant now because having the relevant Realization there go the sugar. Cravings went down once it started taking relegate. You know let me know if you need me to put that someplace in writing. 'cause i just exchanged the only things is one of those things just never now. But that's a good thing. That's a good thing and i'm not. I'm not sorry that the sugar monster is been burnoff mostly Thanks for thanks for having me on no appreciate it and what you're doing for the community because there are so many People who just wanna hear practical things about caregiving and you know about brain health things like that so. I'm glad you let you quit photography and so why did both for a while with the pandemic it just you know and moving and it was like. There's this lot of reasons. I'm like you know what i'm just going to focus on the podcast. And i enjoy it. I really easy to well. You're using zoom since september of two thousand eighteen so once we had the pandemic all of my older guests that are in their seventies eighties. That are tech. Classes is a term one of them us when we're having an issue with urs zoom. I don't have those problems anymore. So that's a plus from the pandemic. And i like i like podcast where it's just conversational. I don't like want the ones where i have a list of questions i want to fire at you. I find those are more. They're easier to listen to. So i just made a podcast. I would wanna listen to in warren. More people are finding me in agreed so that makes me feel good. That's great that's great. Yeah i'll rows of gonna kinda get ready for this like the questions. Boom boom boom boom isaac raves smells. I probably should do a little bit more of that. Sometimes but i feel like we covered all the reasons why you create all why we should take it now. Why we need to be concerned with you. Know properly fueling our brains you know until somebody explains it. We might say yeah. I know i should eat better but but once you know what the but what comes after but yeah i should eat better but it's a pain in the you know it's hard a lot of time. I don't have time. But if i felt i'm putting myself at risk having the same disease that i'm taking care of right now with my mom. My grandmother my spouse so i. That's just how i this is how i roll trying to keep it real easy been great and i know anti probably lunch now circling back around again right now. We'll try and control ourselves and we get out. Don't control myself. that's yes please. Do you have your all your proper foods. And making you can take your elevates the cravings go down absolutely all righty. Thanks so much. I hope you found this conversation. Informative i hope it answered all of your questions. You can definitely check out their website which is linked in the show notes. You can also ask me on social media. And i will tell you what i know. I do feel that it is working. And it's important. Because i would like my brain health to match my life span. Which as you know hundred and three year old grandmother. So i got a few years left to go so in those years. I would really love to hear from you guys. Podcasting can be a little bit isolating. And we know that isolation's not great for your brain. And i have to rebuild a social life after this crazy pandemic so reach out to me on social media all of my council linked in the show notes. If you've got a question and you just want to say hi just let me know. I'd love to hear from you coming up next week. I have an extended conversation with a millennial caregiver and she is going to fill everyone. In her generation in on the knowledge of what you guys need to know before and right at the beginning of your caregiving journey now. If you're not a millennial like me you still need to know this information. So even though it says it's from millennials. It's for all of us his if we haven't figured it out this is a perfect episode. And you're gonna love her story. It's inspiring and informative which is exactly what i try to bring you guys every single week so i hope you enjoy it. You know what. Also i haven't had a nice review lately or any reviews. So if you got an extra pop on over to apple podcasts or spotify and leave me a review. I would love it. That is how new people also find the show so it is kind of important to give the show a thumbs up and a follow or subscribe depending on your podcast app and as always i will be in your ears again next tuesday.

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Hour 4: Dawn Staley & Pat Bradley

The Paul Finebaum Show

28:50 min | 6 months ago

Hour 4: Dawn Staley & Pat Bradley

"We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach ibm helps retailers manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with these the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud fried passion and patron torri of college. Football leaves here. The the paul finebaum show our four podcast dawn staley. A moment of the game gamecocks take on texas from are familiar opponent. They're schafer who Met coach daily national championship for years ago. Coach daily joins us now from texas where I hope you've had a good day coach. Thank you for joining us. And i know it's an exciting but also very pressurized time for you and your team it it is. It's actually you know. It's it's been cooler san antonio meaning you know. I know you know we've been holed up in the in the hotel for about two weeks now but for somebody like me who's introvert. I feel at home but you get a chain to compete for for a trip to the final four. And that can keep you focused and and keep everything besides that in the forefront of your mind so our players are doing great they are thank them for you know or not me being one of those coaches that you know kobe's been hard. The players did this or that. And i think our players because they they sacrifice of course but they didn't make it not a and then making a hardship. They just said this is what we have to do. Egypt changes that we have to make in our routine. I wanna compete for national championship is par for the course and that is how they approached it every single day of this plan that coach. I know those those who know you will have certainly followed this story of your sisters struggles Tracy and i know you had to be gratified that she was able to make it out there in time for yesterday's game Tell us how that must have felt to have her nearby. It gets the district reflect on what her last couple of months looked like felt like oh to have her here and it bringing us some. Some great luck with her is awesome. The hero voice in the stands You know it just. It makes it more durable and i know she's been through a whole lot but this is what we normally do. During this time of the year though was great the hammer in the stands it was great. This half for travel make something feel more like dorm lawyers. I know where the pandemic but you know. The has leukemia in the pandemic is. Is you know a double edged sword but to be here. She is months later of. It is an awesome gift from god. We're so glad to hear that coach so many so many things have happened since we last talked. And i know it's in the rear view mirror and not to make it a bigger issue than it needs to be with with an important game tomorrow night but are things better in relation to the misstep by the nc double a. That they've received so much attention a couple of weeks ago. You know baldwin last week you know you you go through you feel it Put a statement out And then the game thought but you know they have done some things to correct. Some of those knows mishaps that that occurred our players. I you know we're game all right there so nothing else is going to deter us from keeping the focus that we need to. Have you know we will address those things whether we exit less from tournament before winning nassar's championship or or after but obviously there are some changes that need to be a To make our players feel like they're special because their counterpart they feel like they're special in indianapolis. It should be one and the same with all the players here is in. Its audio one. Last thing on that coach nancy armor. Who's very well known columnist for usa. Today just just published a piece saying she had been in indianapolis and she is now at your tournament in san antonio and and and and she wrote it will be in tomorrow's edition of usa today. It's not comparable the night and day and i again. I don't wanna lou. Have you lose your focus. But i think we. We are all eager to hear more from you when when when you're in a better spot to discuss this well i mean. Nancy probably knows more because she's been there and she being. We only know what we know here. And i'm glad she's gonna bring it to light so weakened. The weekend equip ourselves was needed to know what we need to fight where players. Because we we don't know we only know what's been put on social media by some of the players who are who have been here who are going through Being here at a at a women. nc double a. tournament lead on onto the final four. We don't know what we don't know. So i i think it's important that they opened up and in an investigation as to why these champions should differ from from the players is now A reporters is so something as we do have a. We do have a conference call with the leadership of the nc. Double a. on wednesday So we'll we'll see what what come out of that. What would come out of that conversation. Well back back on the court a night before the game. You're never one to have your mind wander too far from from the game at hand. You're you're playing a team to pull a mild upset last night. You know coach schafer about as well as anybody could. Certainly you know at this point. You know almost everyone including your opponent yesterday. Who who's who's a friend. A does it matter that you've faced vic schaefer and national championship games and sec tournament games and huge regular season games even or does the fact that he's at a new school different players change the the outlook or or change the dynamics. Now i mean when when you kill you know they could be. They can be in the charge lee Team but they shavers teams Have a distinct look Defensively they're going to press you accord and try to turn you over early Offensively now he's doing the same thing but yesterday he just took the air out of the ball. He reduced the amount of possessions that maryland would get in the normal game by taking. You know taking taking a shot with under like five seconds in the shot clock and it worked masterfully for They kept the score low The defense was on point. I mean it was actually spectacular to see his players. Just stay so disciplined to the game. Place you you you sit. And we wanted coaches where players to be locked in for forty minutes. Some young people don't always have that but that texas team stay locking locking told with the game plan And you know. I'm super proud of watching them. So i i look forward to 'cause they always hide with later whether it's four regular season as he championship tournament championship or or a national championship. You know here's something that we haven't you know we haven't played for. And that's a trip to the final four though it's kinda cool. The add to our storyline of of arrive coaches so many levels and obviously the summer you'll coach at an even higher level of for in the olympics. But the does it feel different with each wrong of the tournament that you advanced to or do you try to just stay focused at every every game is the same do own or rent your home share you and i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com dente quote and see how much you could save. Its geico easy. Visit geico dot com today. That's geico dot com every game. Listen to say i mean. I know we're in the pressure. Pak winner go home situation. But i thought our players before we got to the aa tournament that this game is the hardest it this game. The elite eight game is the hardest Because your you'll face team has been here for. Chris played three games. And there will be a stretch in which I'm sure it's going to be gained defining tomorrow night where we have to take on taxes. it's going to be a team that has a spurt. The third or fourth quarters. That's gonna get them. The victory and hard is a is a hard mountain in the clouds and to get over. But did you know you you move on to the final. Four and a lot of the excitement comes about The hoopla and i hope that is still a part of the final four. even though we're in the pandemic in our players can really feel that but for the times that we've been to the final four this game was definitely the hardest and this will be. Hopefully third shift goes to fight a war. That i don't think it'll be different coach. Thanks for making time. I know you many fans out there will be Are so excited about watching the game tomorrow night Be well and will keep talking as you make your way to the final four. Always a pleasure for appreciate it. Pleasure was hours coach dawn. Staley a fantastic conversation always especially at this level that Her team is at. Let's take a break. We will talk about the men a little bit later with pat bradley. The arkansas razorbacks or Three four doing the math almost five hours away from tip off. This is a late game. We are coming right back with much much more and listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast. Welcome back on a monday afternoon. Pro days or not over. We have alabama more than wednesday at eleven am eastern florida and lsu. Back to the calls and leroy is in oregon. Hello leroy afternoon. Alleged down a anthem. I'm from georgia. But i want to share the story about gordon. Patterson that you probably don't know sure when he left alabama he came to you. Follow alabama the head football coach and that was a. I really put ball coach. We had ed you follow. That was after the war and of course we had a class d baseball team. They played third base on. But if you He he was a magician with a yoyo and he was a he was a big rain. Marvel champion also. So he's been he would play marbles with with with the boys before school and At break and lunchtime and he was just so much fun at ham when he left you all. He went back to to Tests closer to sell sporting goods because he certainly can make more money doing that and he was coaching at that time and later on and a sixty four house paid you college football and we play on the team out of the lower mississippi. And that's when Have some kosher diesel. Was that lsu right. And and that's the first time that we face the wing t similar junior college football game. We would have several fights. The ball it was very common did and Their offensive center and defensive end got in a fight and out of the ball game been coast. Come comes over. What's going on coach. And he said well same light. We have thrown one of the coaches out of the bowl game. They had lost their. They had lost their center that week. And it was a non conference game for them and So they just dressy coach. I played against that. And later on when i was coaching at the high school. Some of the junior college coaches would come through rudy and he asked me you playing panamerican institute when it goes fight against. Y'all i said. I was and then you can't guess who followed him that you follow. Let's fella named dick mcgowan that ring. Avail vaguely it. Sure does hey. Hey he was. He was a coach. Atticus better guy when they also played third base for that class. D baseball team and Well let me let me let me let me jump. Thank you for the call For those who don't know. Gordon pettus was not only great athlete and i am now learning a great marble yoyo player but he was also the director of officiating for the southeastern conference. That's really where he became. Better known outside of the marble throwing industry. Let's get to the Some more calls here the things you learn about on the show. Kenny is up next in kentucky. Hello kenny hey hey pa ah stories like that swire listened to your show thank you. Here's something like that anywhere else. Where you where you gonna live. I don't think it's possible here at anywhere else. In the gorbachev guy you need to make him i i. Can you talk about famous people. You can run into a celebrity in hollywood or new york. But you don't run into gorbachev unless you've been sent to siberia and and the story that Hank aaron got a good friend here. Louisville whose dad milian and played a minor league ball with him in the early days down in mobile. I think it was and he's got a baseball. That babe ruth sand and hank aaron san. I have no idea where it's work but i it's up here in louisville have seen it I wanted to call about coach. Schnell her and just tell a quick story When he came to louisville we were in bad shape he the very first game. Of course that went to it. I had season tickets. And i've been a little fan on my life i'm seventy three and anyway We got beat fifty five to six. I think it was back eastern kentucky. The old ec in the ohio valley conference coach fox. I think i've said that name correctly. He was pretty good and they beat us to death. And by the time i got to the car to to drive home. The radio Gain the radio host was a quick interview with coach schnellenberger niece it and he didn't know how to start it. His name was van band so it was a big fan of his. He's he's retired now anyway. the He didn't know how to start and he said coach. What do you think and cuts now at burger said. Well they in. I'll tell you there's nothing around here. A few good football players won't cure and within a few short years. We play in alabama and the siesta. And now never forget that night. I can remember thinking my guy. We got a big lead on these guys and i looked at it was like we still had to play him. Three more quarters and it was alabama and it's it scared me to death and that's when i realized that being a sports fan can be brutal. I've got a brother that he doesn't care about sports. He's antique car buff. And he doesn't he he and every now and then he'll start acting like he's following it and i'll say don't don't don't do it if it will break your heart it's brutal it's it's it's can be wonderful but it can be brutal anyway. Paula loves show. Thank you so much sir. Year good luck by the way. I vaguely remember. Somebody can correct me. But i think the score the alabama lou game in the fiesta bowl louisville. One something like thirty four to six. I mean it was a pounding as gene stallings First career at alabama came to an end and It's too bad because they they'd beaten tennessee. Auburn that year and let the Let's let's bowl game got away very badly. We'll take a break. We have a long way to go before we are done. Pat bradley will join us in the next segment to preview. Tonight's yes we have not forgotten arkansas. Taking on baylor for a ticket to the final four listening to paul finebaum show podcast. We started the program talking about the razorbacks. And that's where we will end and arman pat bradley played for the razorbacks and has been watching. This a resurgence with great glee pat. Thanks for the time. Great to have you on. Let's get right to it Break the game downforce. And then we have a million questions. Well we we know how gritty that arkansas has been leading up to this game. I do need i. I do believe that they'll have to continue that. They can had that slow. Start though paul in with the challenges with baylor is they are so good with defensive pressure. They're going to turn you over on average seventeen times which creates twenty two points for them just off of turnovers and then you add in trio of guards who can penetrate the lane not only that but they can shoot the three at over forty percent so has got to first of all worry about the fundamental spot talking about rebounding. Take care of the ball and get high percentage shots. I do think that they're going to have to make about eight to nine threes. Tonight god to be able to make some shots against baylor wanna come off the being picky because the plane ticket to the final four. But everyone knows what's happened here. These double digit deficits the fight to come back narrow victories. How does that differ. What we've seen in this tournament versus what we saw all year long. Well i think these few games what they've done is sort of. What got them in trouble at the beginning of the sec conference play in january. It was just shot selections. It was them figuring out in actually not figuring out enough we're a high percentage shots are going to be. Do we post up justin smith. Where can we get him. The ball and i think coach mostert. The course of the game does a great job of figuring out the mismatches. And that's his pro sort of approach to the game. Let's see where we can pick and choose to get the shots we want. It could be jalen tate posting up a small player like he saw him do against ole robert six one point. Guard max as miss. It could be tonight if he gets six to Jared butler on him. It could be. Let's go to jail tate in the post. So i think the issue has been them with offense because defensively. They're going to give great energy great efforts. I'm not so concerned about that. With me is making sure that shot selection turning down a decent shot contested shot for a really good look at it about baylor for a moment they. They've had kobe tissues but Really argue over the last two years last year. We didn't see them in the tournament. They've been at the top of the heap when you look at bay. Or what do you see maturity poise. They've got a whatever what we talk about. What wins college basketball games and basketball games in general is if you can have guys that can take care of the basketball guys that can shoot guys that can defend and they have all of that just to put a number hind it. They only turn it over twelve times. This going eighty three points a game so to me his been them building up everything you hear from them. Paul has his about how they trust each other. How they've grown up together and just for this moment in now. You look at arkansas. They're all newcomers their freshman they grad transfers. So it's a little bit of a different way that both teams have gotten here but with baylor. It's been just building over time and you see now that they've got a group that have been together quite a bit and they play like that to further for the casual watchers In a couple of hours Give give us a primer to what to look for in especially. If you're in arkansas fan what would be good. And what would cause you anxiety. Pau is. it's gonna be from an offensive standpoint if we are settling for threes early on and this is his all i wanna see at three point shots coming attack the paint if we cannot finish kickout for three penetrate kick. I don't wanna see any zero pass or even one pass three point shots. I do feel like as great of a defenses. baylor is. There's no defense. that's good enough. If you make them move side to side if you make them get down and guard you challenge them so early on. That's going to be watching for. Because i do think from a defensive standpoint. It's going to be about think about this. Paul real quick jalen tate. Sixty six moses moody six devante davis is six three but if he doesn't clip his fingernails is about six nine wingspan. Okay so they've got great length on the perimeter as well to defend those guards. So i'm not worried so much about that. It's on the other end taking good shots and a game. I mean games are so weird. I mean i'm going to get to alabama in a minute but The runs of an ncaa tournament. I don't know how offer from the regular season but it seems like everything is happening in waves. What what what can't happen for arkansas. To win this game what are what are they need to to avoid at the absolute most. Well i think it slow in rotations. Like i said if they and they've done a really good job when they beat alabama played. Fantastic that was at bud. Walton arena to twenty five teams. I thought they did something that we didn't think could happen. Contain the ball. And that's why they're gonna see when alabama's quicken and we'll get to them but baylor does that as well they've got guys who can put it if you can contain them in make those guys one on one player's okay. 'cause they also as a team averaged seventeen assists so they moved the ball quite well. So you wanna make those guards teague. Mitchell beat me one on one and make a tough shot with me contesting that shot. That's what i wanna see if you can't do that it's going to be a long long night for the hogs if they cannot keep that ball in front of before you go pat. We haven't talked too much about it. Tonight but alabama fans naturally are down. What other than free throw shooting for starters. They shot forty percent. What happened what happened sunday night. Well first of all. Ucla ucla has some great length on the perimeter as well so they were able to affect three point. Shot if you saw even when quarterly. And so i was able to get in the paint. They block in his shot with these. So that was one of the concerns for coach. Oats at times was yeah. We're getting layups and shots at the rim but they weren't so much high percentage they were contested. So i think that was also part of the issue but this is a great foundation for alabama. What nate oats has done in two seasons. I don't think pr- probably anybody envisioned this other than maybe him and he did it with obviously petty in her jones alex reece buying into him in his system. And that's going to really send a message nationally to players. Want to play in that kind of a system in finely for for arkansas or lose tonight win. I think speaks for itself. But it doesn't happen how. How is this program position for the future. Well this was the breakthrough right and you coach. Anderson had gotten us their second round. Just couldn't fight through whether it was the call or get this defensive. Rebound this was the breakthrough that three million plus wild razorback fans have been waiting for and again. It's just for coach in his staff to use this as trust me. Okay i know how to get you there. So when he's talking to recruits when he's laying out his game plan grad transfers in highschool guys. It's just a great way for him to be able to use this to say i know what we're doing. Yes we've got a system in place. Just trust how we're going to go about doing it and you see the results finally pat you you. You were a player there and a at a great player when when things were rolling. We all know it's been a wilderness in over the last twenty some odd years. What what does it mean to these people to arkansas. Fans to be in this position to be knocking on the door again. Well i think you've been arkansas chip on their shoulder man. And you know. Although i was born in everett massachusetts right i consider myself an arkansan in the things that affected me as you can go down to the smallest town in south arkansas. 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Basic Folk 69: Nerissa Nields

Rock N Roll Archaeology

44:57 min | 1 year ago

Basic Folk 69: Nerissa Nields

"Hi Welcome to basic folk this podcast where we have honest conversations with folk musicians. I'm your host Cindy House. Hope everybody's doing okay. is still in quarantine I have a mild case of Poison Ivy Which is a funny story. How I got it I was rescuing The dog who decided to Waltz down this hill and Pittsburgh hills and off the back of people's houses are filled with like debris and old kids and tons of poison Ivy So it was quite an adventure getting him. Back up the hill and We're lucky that I am only suffering a mild case of poison ivy but man. Does it suck? I just hate it anyways. You're here today to listen to an interview with Nerissa. Neal's Nerissa is a guitarist. Songwriter and singer best known for performing with her sister Katrina in the Neal's and they perform as a duo together she grew up outside of Washington. Dc surrounded by music in politics which had a profound impact on her formative years. She especially found herself greatly influenced by the music of Pete Seeger. These days in Orissa finds it were difficult to find common ground with though she disagrees with politically but she's refreshingly honest about how she feels in fact. This whole conversation with Marissa is filled with incredibly honest and revealing realizations that she's discovered along the way really appreciated her four rudeness. Some pretty sensitive questions like considering a childless life after her divorce in her mid thirties. I admire how much she was willing to put her story out there for others. I've been a huge fan of the NIELDS. Since High School and Norris's music actually really changed my life and open my eyes to a modern era underground folk movement was wild. Is that the first time I saw? The NIELDS was at mix fest in Nineteen Ninety Nine. Mix Ninety eight point. Five was a hot a C station in the Boston area and for a while. They hosted a concert every year in government center in downtown Boston. So the nields were playing alongside. Ben Folds Five Fleming and John and those were the two acts that I was go- was brought there by Ben Folds five and Fleming and John. That's who is there to see Durant Iran and Lou Vega the Mambo number. Five guy performed was wild anyways. I discovered the nields then and loved their music and fell in love with their music and this was quite a thrill to talk to Nerissa. Appreciate you listening. And we'll get into our conversation with Nerissa kneels on basic folk. Thank you so much for talking to me so you grew up outside of Washington DC. I was wondering if you could talk about like what your family looked like. Siblings and parents and also. Can you explain the Vibe of your family? It sounds like a pretty special vibe. Yeah well we're originally from New York City. Both sides and my parents were betrothed to each other when they're younger sisters were in kindergarten so the two family and they didn't actually meet till they were teenagers but the two families were in the same social circles so I grew up with this site. Decide idea of And this reality of dairy close family were both sides. You know knew each other and left. Each Other and holidays were spent with both families together. And I think that probably had a significant influence. There are lots of musicians in my family. Katrina some my family. The two huge values were music and political justice. Democracy Principles of quality and justice for all and that behind to both of those sort of moral pillars was this sense of community and love and trying to do good in the world My parents first date was to see a weaver's concert and they fell in love to the folk song last night. I had the strangest dream and they took Katrina and me and my younger sister or younger sister. Abigail to see Pete seeger in our low Guthrie every year at Wolf Trap. We would go see Peter Paul and Mary. We grew up listening to data and My father singing all manner of folk songs and spirituals with his Acoustic Guitar. And My mother harmonizing so that if that gives you of you and went to. We went to schools. That were very supportive of the performing arts very encouraging of the performing arts and we both participated heavily in those things. I I know Pete. Seger had a huge influence on your family and your dad had a direct connection to him. Like didn't Pete Seeger. Give him a singing lesson as a kid more than that You know of course Pete. Seeger was blacklisted in the fifties for his refusing to testify against his friends in Congress during the House of House UNAMERICAN activities committee meetings he pleaded the First Amendment rather than the fifth and said I have the right to say whatever. I want to say into sing. Whatever I wanna saying and for that. He was blacklisted. And he couldn't perform in theaters. You know in most venues but he was hired by a lot of colleges and schools to sing to young people and his brother happened to be geography teacher at my dad's Elementary School. So Pete Seeger came in very frequently as a guest of his brother to sing to the kids. Oh Wow and I wanNA talk about seeing Pete Seeger. Arlo Guthrie Performance Concert. You said you watch every year What impression did he leave on you as a young person like you've got to see him? I don't know for how many years long ears young I can't count the years You know the image. That's coming to mind. Is I know Katrina would say this. I just remember you know they would swap songs and then they would also sing songs together are low and Pete and they were so lovely to each other. So one of the things I got from those concerts was this real camaraderie and sharing artistically and `generosity you know nobody was trying to outdo the other and I remember one time they were sort of living a little bit and Pete was going to sing a song and they said you know what are low using this song. I'm just gonNA listen and Pete lay down on the stage and he was. I will never forget this. He was wearing running shoes old. Beat up running shoes and I his long feet and his long legs stretched out on the stage and it was just tapping one of his running shoes. You know tap tap along to our lows playing and singing and just totally enjoying himself. Totally relaxed lying on the stage and I think that had a gigantic influence on both of us like we don't need to put on some fancy show. We're we're all here to enjoy the music and to kind of claim a higher purpose which is fairness in love and joy and Kind of encouraging each other through music and participation. You said this about attending church with those people in your community In Wash in the community of Washington. Dc You interface. With a lot of people that had different political views than you and your family. This kind of quote sorry. We worshiped with government bureaucrats and lobbyists in Pentagon employees. We might have been a congregation divided by politics but we all knew that any everyone in that space loved their country and love their God. Can you expand on finding that commonality with people who disagree with you at Church? And how does that practice translate for you outside of Church impossibly in your writing? Oh man well let me first of all say that was kind of an ideal situation in the ideal time and I don't feel that way today. I wish I could say otherwise but I live in this very progressive town in western Massachusetts. I go to a tiny little church now in the hill towns of the Berkshires. I don't think there's a single person there who would identify as a Republican even Not to nobody there would i. Don't think voted for the current Republican president whose name I won't say and I would have a very hard time today. Going back to that Church of my youth in feeling comfortable there my parents still do in their wonderful. You know they they I think I think that because they've lived there. They know those people so well they they can get beyond that So I don't and I'm not patting myself on the back all. I wish I weren't like this but I feel like I too have just become sort of Part of the detritus of what's happened in this country in terms of fuller's ation It's so hard for me to separate my politics and from my morality I mean to me. They're one and the same And and I think what's being done today by our government is criminal An immoral you know the lying about each fact scientific facts for starters however I guess I will say that that my ideal is still to get beyond those differences and I recognize that we need to survive is a country that I can't have it be nurses country full of progressives. That's not ever what the history of this country has been. It's always been a nation divided over very huge moral issues from the beginning with slavery. Yeah so can we talk about when you started to play guitar? Did you pick it up at thirteen? I was eleven. My Dad gave me my first guitar on my eleventh birthday and I was a gigantic Beatles. Fan and I was so excited to start learning how to play Beatles songs and I remember you know I i. I also started that year to Babysit and I bought myself this book at the Music Store Beatles complete for easy guitar and it was a white book and it was gigantic. And My dad taught me my first You Know Six chords maybe ten cords and that book kind of taught me the rest and for several years. That's all I had. I didn't take any other lessons and I just tried to teach myself these songs out of this book. I would get very very frustrated and I think of that all the time now because it was such a slow process for me to learn the guitar. Of course now I can play the guitar. Whenever I'm beginning anything new and I get that sort of frustrated feeling. I'm like remember. It took a long time to learn to play the guitar. And now you teach guitar I do. Yeah Yeah what made you WanNa start writing your own songs. And when did you and Katrina Start Making music together I. I wanted to be a songwriter from the age of seven and I don't remember I just didn't interview yesterday where I was trying to remember. What was the inciting incident for that? And I I don't know I just know that from the age of seven. I wanted to be a singer songwriter and but I didn't rewrite a successful song till I was thirteen. So you do have that detail right from almost right away. I wanted Katrina sing with me. But we didn't actually start seeing together until I was. I Guess I was twenty and she was eighteen and we started playing at open MIC NIGHTS. Together with David Jones who later became David neals in our guitar player. And my ex husband and it was just really natural for Katrina in me this thing together. So here's here's something that I've been thinking about Well thinking about talking to you and thinking about Katrina and your family. It seemed like your family is so close. So what kind of resear- ever was there ever a time where you felt rebellious as like a teenager or felt frustrated as a teenager? 'cause you always just both of you seem like such like well behaved people. That's a good question. Well first of all Katrina Katrina two years younger than me. And she's a really nice person she's just a really good person and I found her to be annoying in when when she was little and I was mean to her I was like a very squashy older sister who was threatened by her by her adorable nece and her goodness and I sort of see myself as like not so much rebellious in a big way. But you know cranky. I was like the Cranky Kid than the family. The kids who didn't want to go along with everybody else. I wanted to be on my own and I just decided one day when I was fifteen that I wanted to be friends with her. I was like why am I wasting all this time being cranky? I'm going to be nice to this. Awesome person who loves me so much and I literally told her. It was Christmas and I was like I am so sorry for being jerk to you all these years. I made you a book of poems and songs and photographs. Can we be friends? And she was like a row K. And we were friends after that and we were pretty good teenagers. We Pretty UNRA bellion. This sort of traditional ways. We were kind of good. I mean I don't have any horrible rock and roll stories to tell you we you know we just. We were lucky I think we we sort of avoided that whole period of drug addiction. Terrible behavior did you ever get any speeding tickets. Oh yeah yeah in car accidents. Jeez hopefully nothing serious. Nothing serious good. You are a Coom Lodhi graduate of Yale you have a BA with honors in English. Could you talk about how Yale Changed? You? As a writer in some ways Yale was good for me in some ways. Yale was a little bit of a hindrance. I'm sure that just kinda being immersed in that community sharpened me to a great extent and one of the one of the reasons I wanted to go to Yale. Was something an older classmate of mine from my high school. Said she got she got Came back after a couple of years and said to me. You're really getting educated by your peers when you're Yale it's not so much your professor. It's your peers and I definitely feel that way like it was my peers. Who made me who I am especially politically? I think I mean my parents had a lot to do with that but in terms of sort of sharpening my sense of no more critical look at Western democracy. That was definitely something my peers gave me. I sometimes wish I'd been bravery at Yale and taken classes that were more tailored towards what I ended up becoming which is an artist. I took a lot of literature. Classes a lot of Shakespeare classes. Some theater studies classes a lot of music classes but most of the music classes were very classically oriented. Not that helpful to what I ended up doing Sometimes I wish I'd gone to a much more kind of a school where we could have chosen our own curriculum. A little more or there were more You know where there were any pop musicians or poets doing what I was doing so a thing that Yale really gave me. This is sort of disgusting to say but I I felt like it gave me a leg up just because it was an ivy league. You know it opened doors for me but I don't think it was. I don't think it was a magic bullet in any way at all and there are all sorts of things now that I would do differently if I could do them over again. The kneeled seemed like a band that were always fully themselves like like you were saying and that includes the way that you looked what kind of intention was given to the physical of the group. Did you in Katrina ever feel pressure to to change? What you look like. I mean I think Katrina Nyerere Women. Born in the late twentieth century. Who have all the issues that women born in our time? Have you know like we know we're supposed to look attractive and I don't think we tried to not look attractive. I don't think we went crazy over it. We certainly didn't hire makeup people or do our hair but we sort of had each of us. I think our own idea of what was our own comfort level with those issues so we had fun going shopping. You know we had fun like figuring out looking at each other and saying how does this look on me head assists look like but it was just what we wanted to do. It wasn't like weaver again. Putting on a mustache you know like we were just like well. This is a fun thing to wear and it looks good on me so I'm going to wear this. You know we would watch. Mtv We would see what other Or VH1 and we would see what other artists in our genre were wearing. Get ideas from them. But we didn't look very different from the way we looked in high school or college probably cared a little bit more but that came out of a sense of fun. Not as sensitive over making me look like this. You're right. Let's get to here so in Nineteen ninety-six. There are a couple things. That happened Due to record label bureaucracy and a broken down van kind of changed the course of everything for the van band. But you had this like really big fundraiser. To raise a bunch of money for a new van and I read that it brought fans from all over the world together Ask was actually nine hundred ninety eight. It was ninety six when we got signed and released. GotTA GET OVER GRETA. And and that and we drove the van around that first. Fan moby. One Ben Kenobi. The White van for you know hundreds of thousands of miles all over the continent and the van broke down for good around. June of two thousand nine hundred ninety eight. And that's when we had this jammed for the van and and in yes. People came from all over and we soul. It was like a gigantic garage sale in addition to being a concert. You know we like all found things that we thought our fans would pay money for and had it was kind of like a fair. Was Our drummer pretended that he was a fortune teller in warlick headdress and gave predictions and David Nield sold his collection of exfils. Vhs Cassettes and Katrina tonight sold some of our clothes. I think we sold the guitar and I said I would. I would knit sweaters for people who paid a certain amount of money and I ended up knitting these sweaters for people and then we had this great show that I'll never forget it was really wonderful and we did. We raised enough money to buy this van so we had our second van in reading about that big benefit that happened in nineteen ninety eight. It seems as though it leads you to be connected to your fans in a way. That hadn't happened before at least physically How did that in the head of that field to see your community coming together like that? Well I I don't think that was new. I mean what was it was like a big reunion but I think from the beginning. We had a very unusually tight connection with our fans. And from the beginning we would have these fans who would vie with each other to see who could come to the most shows we fans who would make us action figures of ourselves and you know like bring us candy and you know we. We knew their names and we knew there to this day. Like I know the names of many many many of our fans and know the names of their children. And you know we. We've sung at people's weddings. We've we've we've lost fans fans died. You know But we would. We would have this. We'd have all sorts of fans that would like follow our van on road trips. You know on a they would have road trips around our tours and they would just come to every show on a tour so what was unusual about jam for the fans was just that all these fans were coming from all over the country together and they got to know each other and I can't remember which came first and I never went on this because I thought it would be too weird probably toxic but I don't even know the terminology anymore but there were Internet chat groups back in the ninety S. You know like little fan chat room for something. I know but it was called. We Christened it the NIELDS NOOK and people would become members of this and they would all get to know each other and this was pre facebook but it was that kind of thing so our fans knew each other in a way that transcended us. That's amazing you was amazing. Yeah I have kind of a personal question that I don't know if you want to answer or not. But it's about wanting to be a mother So I read that. You'd always wanted to be a mother and you have two children now But I'm wondering after your first marriage ended will kind of feelings you were experiencing around that particular kind of dream and how you might manage them. Well I had a miscarriage with my first husband and and it was sort of a tragic time. After that miscarriage the marriage fell apart and it wasn't because of the miscarriage it was just it was just. I mean maybe it was a tiny bit because of that but maybe the idea of trying to get pregnant made us both realize that we couldn't stay married to each other and the miscarriage was almost two symbol of it. Not it not having a future So I was so sort of grappling and and the other thing that happened at the same time with the band broke up and that was somewhat related but not completely related so I had to crises in my life. At that point I was thirty. Three and my marriage of ten years had eleven years had ended and my band had had changed so that it was Katrina in me and Katrina had just had her first child so Katrina was in a situation where she was beginning her family and my family had just ended and we needed to figure out a way to continue making music together even though our personal lives were taking different roads so that was actually a very rich time for me. I wrote my first novel during that time and I started writing my second novel which I'm still working on which I'm hoping to publish sometime in the next few years but I began drafting way back then and I did publish that first novel and I wrote I wrote Levin China which I think in some ways this one of best albums that it was all about heartbreak and I was very open to a life a childless life at that point. It wasn't like I was like okay. I'm not going to have kids now but I thought it very well. May maybe that I don't and that'll be okay. I was at made peace with the loss at that point of that particular dream but then I met Tom. My my husband now and we fell in love and again. I sort of felt like well. You know we`re. We're a little bit older by that time. I was in my late thirties and he was in his early forties in of thought. Well we could be happy together with no kids. We were both writers and I could see a really great life with him without kids and he was the new said. I WanNa have kids with you. I think we'd be. We'd we'd have a great family and so we were lucky and we did. It's great In terms of feminism You and Katrina a both consider yourselves feminists and you said at one point were a little too old to be third wave. But we're both in that camp You're part of the Lilith Fair in nineteen ninety eight with Katrina and so in my experience in looking back at how some female musicians talked about feminism in the nineties. It's Kinda cringe. There was A couple years ago for International Women's Day the radio station I was working at did like a day of all women and it was a lot of like ninety artists and I was like cool. I'm going to do a google search and final these like inspirational things that these women have said about feminism. I was really surprised that they distance themselves from the movement and really didn't have anything nice to say about it Now it seems different People seem proud to say that there are a feminist in this fourth wave that were in what has been your experience with feminism. It was never questioned in my mind that I was feminist. I didn't understand I still don't understand. Why any anybody would resist. The label ended upsets me very much when women do issue the label especially when I see them benefiting from the work that feminists throughout history have done you know the movement is messy imperfect but a every movement is and to me. It's very obvious that there is. There is worldwide injustice towards women and I went to an all girls Katrina. I both went to an all girls high school in Northern Virginia. And it had a lot of southern girls. Who were staunch. Republicans and anti-feminists There is definitely a feeling among them that the that feminism was in the past that you know women were now equal so there was nothing to talk about and I knew then and this was the eighties that that wasn't true I fought. I argued very strongly for the Equal Rights Amendment. Which now looks like it might get past. Which is you know horrifying to me that as a girl that was something back. Couldn't that wasn't achieved that you know forty years later it's still isn't achieved. It makes no sense to me at all. What are the specifics of that again? Equal Rights amendment. Yeah basically women in men should be paid the same got it very you know periods and in the eighties. When I was first conscious of of these things the argument was. It's so funny to talk about now with like Oh then men and women would have to share bathrooms you know and I live in North Hampton. Were like there aren't any women's and men's bathrooms in Northampton. They're all unisex bathrooms. Who cares with with you know with the Trans Movement? It's like Y- Y Y. Let's just get rid of these stupid back rooms you know. Let's just have a bathroom be a bathroom right. Get over it you know so in playing music with your sister was wondering how you're feeling about it recently because in quarantine least you wrote about it on your blog that you're not able to. How how does this time allow you to reflect on what you enjoy about making music with her and writing with her and for her? Oh it's like a constant ache in my heart these days it is. I mean the pain for me right now is in all the deaths and illness. The lies the right wing is spewing about. What's going on and the the dishonesty and the you know think very shortsighted lack of action. That has been taken by the Republican side of the Aisle and certainly the administration selfishly and in my personal life. I really have everything I need except for my sister in music. I'm safe in my house I live in. It's lovely town And I have a lovely home and my family's all with me and I'm pretty happy and I get to do my writing and my writing classes on zoom. So all of that's fine. What's not fine is that we've had to cancel all of our shows and I can only see my sister from a distance of ten feet away. we did do songs together In video did and put it up on our facebook page and today we did we. We've been doing facebook. Live you know one of us. One of us on an iphone in the other on the screen you know. Who's holding up the iphone? And we do that once a week and today we were talking to our fans on facebook. Live about what they were like in and we said you know on how about on on Sunday Which is supposed to be a nice day spoke to be sunny in the sixties we will get together a Katrina Porch and we will do. A little concert will record it. We'll put it on Youtube and then post it on facebook so we were taking requests and we plan to do this. I'M GONNA go learn those requests. I mean they're all sons that I wrote but I have to practice them. Remember them a lot of them are from the nineties and And we'll have that to look forward to so you know. I don't know what's going to happen. I really don't know what's going to happen. I don't know which are shows in. The future are going to stay on the books in which ones are going to have to be cancelled But I do know and I was just again. I was just saying this this morning to somebody else. I do know that I will sing with her again. I just don't know when and I know we will make another album. I just when we actually have a bunch of songs for the next album. So that's great. Yeah you have writing retreats and have run them for many years. I in the big yellow house and now the Little Blue House is a total joy except of course nobody can come to my house anymore because of the quarantine so I moved everything too soon. How's it going? It's actually great. It's great it's sort of like what you were saying with jam with the Fans. It's it's People from all over can be in a group together so I'm not these groups with people from all over the country and that's very sweet to mix people up and introduce people to you know. I know them all but they don't know each other so and I love that. I love introducing wonderful people to each other. What instigated the original desire to work with other writers in this format? And how have the retreats influenced your approach to writing? Well back in two thousand two in this was when I was reading my first novel. I joined a weekly writing. Group in Northampton led by a poet named Anna occur win and she taught this method called amherst writers and artists which is a very Sort of ended supportive right in the moment and then share fresh work and no no negative feedback given And it worked so well for me as a writer that I thought I was just. I was like well this works. This is great news for other people and then Again this is right after my divorce. My first husband and I had a home in Hatfield Massachusetts which is a farming town A family town attempt full of families and I was now a single woman and I wanted to move to North Hampton and I found this house in Northampton that was too expensive for me and Walked into the house and I had a vision of people sitting around the front room writing and I thought. Oh my God I could do that. I could run ready groups at a my living room and I did. I mean like I. I bought the house like the next day. I took a huge gamble but the house and within eight weeks. I was running workshops in there. It just was magic and I've never stopped. That was two thousand three. Can you talk about where you live? Now you live in Northampton. Yeah in Western mass What's special about the place and how it might inspire your creativity? Oh my God I love this place Katrina and I fell in love with North Hampton in the early nineties when we were living in Connecticut and we would come up and see shows at the iron horse. We got to play at the Iron Horse right at the beginning of her career in. We just thought if I could live anywhere in the world I would live here and we traveled all around the country and all around the continent and we never found a place. We liked more than Northampton. So this is where we settled down. It's definitely my chosen community. I love the fact that it's a small city but it has the sort of. It's a little bit of a crossroads between Boston. New York we have a lot of New Yorkers who came up here after nine eleven with a lot of people who used to live in Boston. Who came out here to get a quieter life in. It's got the five colleges so it's full of academics and intellectuals and artists and it's full of musicians and it's it's you know this very progressive community very except it's feminist. You know it's where Smith colleges my son. I think really doesn't understand what sexism is to cease grownup here and You know it's it's it's a wonderful place you know. And so there's so many families here with same sex parents and so many families here with Adoptive of adopted children and It's definitely not perfect but it's it's family now it's home it's family. It's my community. I I love it lovely. I love it. I used to have this Dream when I was working in radio that I would move to North Hampton and work at the river? Yeah you should. Oh maybe I will one day you will. Who knows everything could change because of this? Yeah totally Okay so we do. This really silly thing called the lightning round on this podcast. Just asking you fun little questions. All right here we go. What was the first Song You learned on the Guitar? Lowing in the Wind Batman or Superman Superman. What is your Karaoke Song? You're so vain just thinking about that song the other day in my coffee yeah. What was your favorite radio station as a kid DC? One kind of station. Was that a little bit more contemporary than Classic Rock but definitely plastic rot reuss. Dogs are cats dogs favourite. Us city well. The first one that came to my head was Manhattan. Ear City The first album you bought with your own money. Oh that's easy. The Beatles nineteen sixty seven to nine hundred seventy the blue album. What was the first concert you went to well? It depends? The first concert I went to was David. Bowie's let's dance tour. What's yeah that's pretty cool right? That's Beatle Mania. You totally win thank you. That's so great. Yeah Ninety two. What was it like Quick Synopsis? The only thing I really remember it was very aids. You know it was very David Bowie in the eighties and I just remember. He had like a giant like this big. You can't see my hands but you know. Each fall of the world was like a Globe beach and he batted it out into the audience during the when he sang. Let's dance and the audience looked at around. Nice trying to like figure out what that has to do with. Let's dance but and I may be wrong. You've been different. Son Was the last book you read Weight Right now. I'm reading Move the play. Oh No such a fun age by Kylie read. Is that good? It's okay it's worth reading for. Sure I like I liked the title lot. I haven't read African American. She's young the author and IT'S A. It's a first novel. I think it's a great debut. I think she's GonNa do great things. What's your dream collaboration with my sister? Oh all right. We already know that you like the Beatles the rolling stones but who is your favorite beetle. Oh you know it really changes year to year when I was I would say for like twenty years. It was John Lennon and then it was George Harrison and Tom took me to see Paul McCartney for my fiftieth birthday. In twenty seventeen in Brooklyn the Barclay Center and I'd never seen any of the Beatles live before I was on my feet with my jaw hanging open for three hours and I I will never forget that and then there's Ringo Starr who every year on his birthday makes everybody stop and say peace in love. I can't really pick a favorite beetle. Two more questions. Flying or invisibility flying. That's why like Superman. Where's the most beautiful place you've ever visited? I think maybe I'd have to say Northern California. I wouldn't WanNa live there but I just was stunned by its beauty. I agree. Yeah all right. That's it. Yes yeah thank you so much. 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Alanna Ubach

Maltin On Movies

59:42 min | 2 years ago

Alanna Ubach

"Hi Guys we want to thank our great sponsor legion. 'em They are the first fan owned entertainment company. We love working with them. They create really incredible experiences for people if you're someone who wants to feel like you own a piece and and are a piece of the industry it's a great way to do it. <hes> they do meet ups all over the country. They have a really cool <hes> community going online. I cannot recommend them enough. GO TO LEGION DOT COM for more information sir. Hi everybody I'm Leonard Maltin Jesse Nelson listening to Maltin on movies at our guest today has been quite a lot of and quite a lot of T._v.. Shows and quite a lot of everything she's one of the busiest working actresses around and has been for a while which is belied by the fact that she fell into the Fountain of Youth and looks the same she did when we I saw her. Oh my gosh I'll take it. This is Alana Yuba welcome. How are you doing? I am the guy that yells at the T._v.. When I see you what I'm that guy one that when watching hung shouted as soon as I saw you fauria shouted I'm the one I'm the one that yells really loud? That's amazing always told my friends. If you get up to go pee will miss me so classroom before you tune into whatever you're watching that I'm in but <hes> you know saying yes to everything really i. You know you're you're you find yourself always working but I've I've never been one to turn something down. Even maybe that's to a fault no actually but I mean that's the definition of a working actor. It was a freelance writer a have been still still am a freelance writer and so I know that that feeling of chief I say no this time. Maybe they won't call back the absolutely and I remember my my father telling my manager. Margaret pollock has been my manager since I was fifteen when she signed me he was just like with my daughter she will put on a chicken suit and so used cars. If you know pay so I you know I mean it was it was just knowing that from the time was Kenneth out well how might as well just say yes to everything in talking to your publicist when I said I've been watching a lot of most of my life. She said no yeah the door Colston's. I think our I think there's something like that but it that's it I have been watching you forever. Oh bless yeah let's you I am amazed by careers. I'll say it a million times but you have been in so many important movies <hes> I just turned thirty three but like so but everywhere in there so whether it's sister act to sort of movies ever made on my gotTa love and every time I hear the love boat theme song I think of you of course oh whether it's that but then you move into a movie like waiting which especially anybody in the waiting industry but my go-to like happy relaxed movies and I can't count how many times I've put it on just because it makes me happy to ever wait tables. I yeah the Dishwasher Washer in it. I was in my house exactly still got scars but belly of the whale like all of those things legally blonde of course which especially because reese witherspoon in loves it so much doesn't go away bright. You know right to be an all these different things than as I say to see you in hung which made me so happy but now you're like milk. Oh you're playing mill roles. You know you are well as as soon as I turned forty. It was all about the mom roles because those were the the roles. Those are the rules that you grab <hes> I had read the Fauria script about a year ago and all of these great roles for kids were in it and I thought okay okay. There's got be something oh who's this drunk. Mom You know so I remember <hes> I remember thinking to myself when I when I was in my mid thirties I thought well if I'm going to play a mom. She has has to be a little little dysfunctional. There has to be something off kilter about the mom otherwise you know I'll just be walking and talking for a living in my forties but you know so long as there's some kind of of layer or weird something or another about the mother I'll do it now. I think I I saw I'm trying to remember whether it was on Beakman's world the saying show my worked on or a little film that I I like clock watchers yes or you were part of a great quartet of office workers with Lisa Kudrow Toni Collette and Parker Posey of you I I just I was at shark. He's having <hes> <hes> dinner with my two year old <hes> just the other day and I ran into the speaker sisters who wrote and directed Joe Spreaker wrote and directed clock watchers and <hes> that was something I did. I think they hired me when I was around nineteen and it was it was really it was amazing because to me it was sort of the beginning of me starting a career as an adult because I started acting professionally when I was thirteen so to to start you know <hes> playing more adult roles. I thought Oh wow I have to start all over again. So this is a nice little liftoff being in a movie like this yes you are like the fourth or fifth fiddle but you are surrounding yourselves selves by a bunch of actresses who are established as as <hes> as adults and with the female writer director the female writer director shore cool cool do right right right but that's that is what makes it interesting and crazy even as a movie or T._v.. Watcher that it makes sense because obviously I've gotten older since I started watching you sure make sense that I saw you as high school and now I see you his mom but it's still sort of blows your mind when you think about somebody is no no no she. She's the Sh- she's my age. She's a kid well. Oh crap. I'm not a kidney more. Yeah there you go. It's little Easter egg moments that you watch on television. We were like Oh that was when I was so and so and that's my fell in love with so and so that was you know my first kiss that television show the for the first time you see an actress or an actor that you love forever. Play parent is kind of strange moment. Yes yes yes sure and that that's certainly the reason why I make sure that the parent that I do play is a little left up very important to me so you are. Let's let's do a total rewind sure <hes> you grew up in Downey. I grew up in Downey down home of McDonald's home of the oldest original McDonald's still standing and Karen Richard Carpenter carpenters they grew up around the corner from me. Wow they were on Luebeck and I was on Lester Ford Yeah and we would ha I would go trick or treating to Karen Ann Richards House. When I was a little kid and I remember they were the one house that gave out the Big Bar Candy Mars and Dollar Bill Yeah Oh my so my friend Jesse and I would be dressed up as like a witch and a ghost and then we'd go back to my house and like you know be we come back and see how much which money we can make that night triggered it was it was my friend Jesse's idea? WHO's like we'd sick? Oh my God that's so funny. I had ideas your shoes. These were purchased by the carpenter. Thank you care and Richard Yeah but it it it really is a fun little town and also <hes> Metallica metallica would be from Downey <hes> the lead singer singer. I'm pardon me I don't I can't say his name off. The top has had thank you very much Hadfield then go head had deal. That's IT K- Hadfield yeah moment. It's in there. That's it all in there. That's that's that's the that's the that child. It was also the home at one time of a hop along Cassidy Museum really no interest to someone in your age bracket but very much to me there you go into pot came and visited so there we are now now you you started a thirteen. What launched you on on on a career is some of the always as kid just wanted to do? My father and mother had a lithographic shop in downtown. Los Angeles my my father's in Puerto Rico my mother's from Mexico so having a you know to parents as immigrants rents they loved going to live shows. They loved going to concerts and they take me to everything they went to so my dad he loved gambling so we'd go out to bake. It's constantly and when he would win money at the crap table that day he would splurge on getting the best dinner seat to see Charro Way Newton Antonio to kneel apt and into the all right and Glorious Stefan and I remember being three years old and on watching Captain Antonio on stage and just thinking do they go to the bathroom these people do they do they do they do anything besides this when the when the curtain is drawn are they they put away in boxes. I couldn't wrap my head around what these people were but I remember my mom and Dad Telling me Oh no these are real artists on it they rehearse and they sometimes right these songs in these lyrics they they they study and they then perform in front of audiences. You know there's there's going to be another audience tomorrow night that they'll be performed there just normal people on and I thought wow and all I could really think of what it really grabbed me was wanting to be something that was just not real. I wanted to be the lights I just wanted to be the lights on that stage and and to be like the the and I always say this the smell of of the prime rib and the cigarette smoke in the air. That's what I wanted to be. That's all I can explain. That's the only way could explain it so even now I sort of have to remind myself. I self of that time when I was a little kid saying oh be the lights. You should always wanna be something that's not tangible. It should not be tangible and the the moment you you say something like Oh. I want to be a billionaire. I WANNA be a household name or I want to be a brand. No Oh don't that's two adult. That's way too adult and it's going to keep you from performing the way you performed on the on the blacktop at school when no one was watching the way you were playing cops and robbers when you really watch kids is playing in the playground there so committed so committed they don't break until the Bell Rings and they have to go and lineup and go back into their classrooms but if you can sustain that forever then you'll be just fine because the moment you grow up when the ego gets involved and you allow yourself to get arrested by that and that's what I think the artists gets in trouble be always have to remind yourself. Why decided to do it in the first place important yeah yeah so what a wonderful child's wild side view of show business you had? I'm taking it's too bad a today. The smoke has gone yeah right yeah. Oh No. It's grasp a new law. Yes they're not being keen Wa and Vape vape forward. It's funny but you that that Christmas <hes> my mom and dad my mom said that she we were stone with shopping center and we were in line and usually when you put your kid on Santa's lap. Santa will ask you what you want. He'll say very loud so the parents can hear right so I told I told San is said is like what would you like along. I said I want to stage these all. That's so cute a stage for Barbie no Santa Stage for me. I like little twinkling lights and I want sat and curtains and I want the whole nine yards and my mom and dad was so funny that my one of my fathers best friend was a carpenter and so he went to the American home shopping center in Downey and went bought all this plywood and they made this little tiny stage for me for Christmas and it had wonderful yeah these twinkling lights my mom and dad averages so entertained by the fact that I wanted to be an entertainer. They thought it was hysterical brothers and sisters I do. I have a sister who's eleven years old I myself. She's a psychologist and she is. You know it's really interesting she. She's you sort of becomes an expert at everything she puts her hand puts her hands on its. She had a restaurant for awhile and she was like <hes>. I think I'm going to go on a psychology so now it's amazing. She's damn good at everything she does. I I mean I've you know acting. The only thing I know how to do is walking and talking. That's what I can do but my sister she <hes> I do. I do <hes> have her. I do show a lot of my you know <hes> sort of style Ohio to her. She was hip cat. When I was growing up this is this is a young girl who was listening to like Grace Jones and Gigi pop and Lena luggage and you know hanging out with that amount granted we lived in Los Angeles was like she was very beautiful and she was very very worldly and was was already traveling when she was sixteen seventeen and you know she'd been degrees? He's with her boyfriend back. She was really sophisticated so she had a lot to do with with you. Know <hes> how my taste sort of evolve and thinking to myself Wow <hes> I really WANNA do punk rock work in and with what I do it should be edgy and character-driven rather than just you know <hes> being lied and and playing yourself to me. That seemed really just not very creative. It was something. That I thought well. How can I become like the IGGY pop of actors? I mean like this. You know what I mean. You've actors Jesse and I were talking while driving over here but she she calls you <music> a young character actress thank and she nailed it then right. Oh sure you know I mean. I shouldn't say this but I I it's. It's how you know. Maybe I need like mental floss ing but I am in no way interested in in being the lead unless I mean the pressure the pressure of being a number one on the call sheet is so frightening to me. I couldn't imagine and like you know as India Alternate Edelstein. These are the people that that I saw that were like lived onset right and you know the pressure and just the stamina that you have to have the energy the stamina of being an almost every scene I couldn't I couldn't imagine waiting has got to be the closest yeah because you're ensemble and you guys are all on for a lot of the movie. Yes yes absolutely it's all of you there you go. It's a group but then you know you definitely were relying on Justin long to generally be the Khyber of the movie and and that's you know I think it's I it's so admirable <hes> to me to see to see people just absolutely fine playing their authentic selves and that's something that is really hard to accomplish so for me. It's like a I'll just be someone else. It's that's what happened to change and you start going on on edition when I was when I was a kid I <hes> my my sister was like a ballerina when she was a teenager and my mom <hes> asked asked me she said well On if you love to perform so much maybe going to a ballet class might be cool when I said absolutely I'd love to I'd seen this this <hes> the nutcracker I think it was the nutcracker with Chelsea Kirkman and it was on P._B._S. or something and I thought Oh wow let me try that and so I realized I was very small compared to the other ballerinas that I would not have a chance in ballet unless I became a gymnast and I wasn't interested in gymnastics or anything but I love to perform we put on these productions of like the nutcracker and Cinderella and <hes> and <hes> all of these you know great ballet's at the Civic Center bellflower and I love to perform so my mom I kept telling her you know I i WanNa do professionally. I want to do this professionally and finally we had seen this this ad and it said you know the lease Frostburg Theatre Institute Institute has a young people's program for the summer and you know you could take seeing classes and acting classes and performance classes so once I joined the Lee Strasberg institute I was ten and I had found my sphere. I mean even all the kids I went to school with. They were all so weird and unique and really super confident and there were sophisticated kids. A lot of these kids were living in. You know the Hollywood and I my mom would slap me from Downey to you know Fairfax and Hayworth jeopardize parents fight willing to do that sure I mean she was you know I it's funny but I think I think my excitement. My enthusiasm was infectious to my family. You know when when a kid is enthusiastic about something it's like Oh wow okay cool also following through yeah yeah yeah yeah then just I want to do it. You really wanted to assure for that can be exciting for them. Well it was that is wonderful. They were the way they were yeah. It was and I think it was just like well. Let's see if the sticks and let's see if she you know really enjoys it and so I I would play <hes> <hes> a cone own head in the first production at the Strasbourg theater and and Lance Lane wrote the play was called attack of the Yuppie aliens credited with the eighties so of course tackle the aliens right but I played this cone head and so feel a Iran's kids were in the program Eduardo and Carlo and and you had all these these child actors the these young sons and daughters of very famous actors and I think I I played the cone head and I got a ton of laughs and it was it was it was very silly but I I remember going out to the lobby and Al Pacino was there and he had a buddy of his. He's been in the actors studio for years right so buddy of his this is probably I think directed the show and he went any went up to me and I remember he was just like I just wanted to tell you. You really made me laugh. I think it's very important you keep doing this and my mom and dad will like you know how Pacino say that about their kid and I. I don't know what came over me. I was so excited that I broke out into like a scene in scarface for him and I was like ten and and I said something like you know Al Pacino my wife how wall ms so Palo reads like Oh my God. What are you doing watching my? I and I saw it. All I get Outta here and he's eating. He walked away probably really disturbed but I guess it was. It's just I think when you're not embarrassed to to to just throw it all out fair and I think that's something that my parents really were aware of. They're like Oh okay. I guess she's going to be an actor. You know and and that's basically what happen. There were agents in the audience right. They were children's agents so they were scouts and then that's what I signed onto a children's agency Natalie Rawson and <hes> and then you know went along but yeah I was looking at I was reading something about Jack Black and he was talking about how he'd signed with the Jack Rose Agency. That's the agency that turned me down. When I was a kid yeah he went with Jack Rose? He was probably really well. No wonder he's on the enough he was on the but yeah I mean you know to be a child actor and know that it comes to an end and you have to start all over again in your twenties an an again in your mid thirties is is something that's really exciting and scary at the same time I would think sure I it sorta like if you show someone a photo of Warren Beatty yeah back in the day yeah yeah and you go oh my God that man's beautiful beautiful not even handful man beautiful yeah and then you think about what it must be like to be movie like Bulworth right or anything that's current and how that has to feel to sort of go live that shift yeah of being leading man gorgeous amaze and then you become the GRANDPA or you become the whatever it is right. It's such a shift. It's an end it's a major shift and you can only hope that people will clint Eastwood and and and Brad Pitt where they're they're. They're they're they basically say one day. Okay all right well. I'm not exactly the you know the pretty nineteen year old pretty pretty young a young boy in his twenties <hes> but I love movies and I certainly know what I you know they have great taste and <hes> you know I I can produce. I can put my name on something. I can open up for production company. I can direct I can write my own things and they've done incredible work. It's so cool you know just sort of embracing all of the the ability to to become seasoned to to <hes> to embrace life and all of the things that happened in your your personal. Life is your aging and saying why can I can. I still have a lot to say yeah. You know. It's an it's I think there's something to be said about about aging and and <hes> <hes> you know from a pretty boy to you know a seasoned older man and being able to embrace that it's just it's such a it's. It's so inspiring as you have embraced your mom fe yeah albeit your kind of mom certain kinds of mops so so you're an adolescent yeah start working going on audition right. I never booked a thing. I didn't book anything for. I wouldn't book anything for about three years. I booked this this one pilot <hes> it was an Aaron spelling pilot and that's how I got Taft Hartley. That's how I was given my union card and it was a big deal big deal Victoria screen actors actors guild Yes yes and then <hes> and then I didn't get anything for a couple of years in the science show came on and it was I. I heard that it was from the same people that were involved with pee. Wee's playhouse and I thought what okay this is. Cool my my kind of giant there you go and and I remember just being silly and Wacky as possible and it worked. It worked so I thought well maybe there's something to be said about about you know just a doing what I really enjoy which is being weird yeah and and a little off kilter in June during all this time where you're going. You're going to school regular school. Yes yes I was going to <hes> I I went to saint marks and then I I graduated this Episcopalian School Downey and then it was between moral Berle's Marlboro girls school or Lillies Francais in lillies frontiers branch school and they were very cool. Europeans conveniently located right by Fox right. Hey there you by by Sony but they were they. It was a very small school and Great College. Prep schools a lot of A._p.. Classes houses but the teachers were also willing to work with you if you would be working so they would it was amazing so they would would format certain tests for you to take and <hes> you know and then and I remember being in New York doing play and my teachers would fedex me assignments because you know the Internet didn't exist back then but then I would fedex it back and I you know I still graduated and got accepted a college as it was it was still oh very you know it was some schools. Some resolutely will not do that. Marlboro would not which is why didn't go there yeah good choice well. You know it's it's very weird to to decide that you WANNA be a child. The old actor is kind of weird. It's a strange thing but it wasn't so strange because I was living in Los Angeles. It's different. It makes a huge difference. You're not by yourself in it. That's it and even being able to find a school. I don't know how many school in the rest of country or anywhere else right would say oh yes of course you're at a play so let me help you figure things out there you go. It's very different. Yeah New York Los Angeles. Yes the there you go so many kids at my school would disappear for months on end. Oh Wow and you just got into Oh there you go back lease got used to people here but the one I have been so one kid went away and he was gone for three months and he came home and he had no hair and we all thought oh my God ability he's dying of cancer. What the hell happened rights terrifying and he wouldn't tell couldn't we found a couldn't tell us anything he was playing young Dr Evil He was in a second movie as young Dr Evil and but my God all of us are like Josh Josh? Josh is really sick this long nobody why he was going to be comes back. He was playing young still to this day. When we found out here we are planning like Oh God what now you could have just said? I'm an actor guy. This town is so weird funny memory right there you go. What a great school hard but good hard yeah yeah I bet I got boy and I and then you you did briefly go to college? Yes I went to U._S._C. For approximately twelve minutes. I went to San Francisco safer seventeen year for seventeen minutes. Wow you beat me. He's a U._S._C. Teacher. He really view Dr Casper is yes. Institutional wouldn't be drew. Casper is classes. I lived for them. I love him. I remember we're doing a thesis on jaws and then Victor Victoria but he really he was just so passionate about it. It was wonderful and you know I was so naive as a kid. I thought well you know if I'm getting these you know movie of the weeks he's lifetime movies of the week that I'm really going places and I would drop out and then you know and then I would enroll re-enrol and my father sat me down and he said look this is getting very expensive. Missive you either drop out and do what you do and ask a lot of questions he said in you read at least the paper every day or something he was like or you finish school and you don't work for four years ears but this is going to cost us a fortune yeah and that was music to my ears because I thought I think I'm just going to ask a lot of questions and I do. I regret it <hes> sometimes sometimes I do and I and my husband he he's a northwestern graduate and he he always says can we lie to our son and you can say that you you finished U._S._C. and and <hes> and I thought yeah yes I was as an adjunct professor. I think you have the ability daddy you. Just tell them yes yes you did. Yes graduated you go. I'll be giving you a call. Hold on I want I my son is has questions so but. <hes> yeah it was it was again. That's a big choice to make a huge choice to make and and but you obviously eighteen that's a lot I don't know if it was the right choice to make but I do know that had I not had I not you know dropped out. I wouldn't have had the opportunity to to constantly work and that was when indie films were becoming very populous right and you could be an unknown unknown you could be cast in things and I was <hes> I started doing a lot of independent films and I wasn't making anything <hes> but just to me that was my film school was was doing all this <hes> <hes> those indie films and and being on the set and realizing that wow seventeen our workdays are sometimes mandatory for a certain shot <hes> you know these steady camps in the Dalai Gripe and he's the person that you really WanNa make friends with here and the lighting Texan accent and how you to be immersed in it and thrown into you know the belly of the whale the way you have to learn how to swim. I think in this real life school it's real life school the school hard knocks and <hes> I regret it sometimes sometimes sometimes I don't so you never know we're here now but it's not just a life school. I it is film school because because what you've just described about the workings of a set the interaction the interactions of the people people on a set right and why they matter right why you matter as a cog in that we'll all of that right. That's just what they do. A lot of people have no clue what any of Dali right right the Dalai is i. I remember <hes> being a little kid delegate best boy best girl seeing Dali and thinking. I don't know what these are on adorable best boy. I truly uptick in best boy. That must be the guy who's the best boy on the set. That's logically what that is. Dolly like what what you get to you eat a dollar awesome. It's it's remember who impressed you in particular. When I was a kid I was really drawn to the unknowns for well not the household names Russia so you know you develop? I think taste is innate. Whatever you're drawn to it's it's just like some people love oranges? Some people love apples to snack on for me. I really loved I remember watching <hes> shoot the moon and when I was a little girl and seeing Dana Hill in shoot the moon and thinking who is this little girl who how how can someone that young give such an an in depth performance and and <hes> I a you know my mom was such an avid reader. She said Oh apparently Dana Hill was a lot older. Playing younger isn't that interesting on. I'm like okay and then seeing the movie the player and and and wanting to know who Richard E. Grant was uh-huh because that one monologue where he pitched the movie everything close like Japanese Lampton and I thought who is this guy you know to me. I was sort of attracted to these unknowns but you know what I always thought to myself. I saw is if if me if you know this young girl from Downey knows about these actors clearly I'm not the only one who knows about them and they are working and to me watching like <hes> tatum O'Neal and Quinn Cummings Quinn Cummings was another one <hes> and and seeing you know I remember watching jaws and being so excited about when the character <hes> more than anyone anyone else and and really you know loving the mothers performance in poltergeist these joepat Williams wow was she interesting and then watching you know <hes> the big chill but my mom and dad were comfortable enough. They were confident enough knowing that their kid was fisted enough to handle these movies but then again it was the eighties and that's what you did. If you took a kid to you know it was no big deal for my my dad and my sister to drag me to Halloween to watch Halloween when I was like six but you didn't sleep free but it was yeah bet it was fine but it was it was just it was funny to you know I so enjoyed listening listening to my dad and my sister discussed the movie when I was in the back seat on the way home when she said <hes> Dad. What did you think he was with? I thought the music is what made it and these were just people who are in the business your film critics aches but the obviously they were really drawn to it affected them in such a way where I thought I want to be a part of that that affects my family this way you know <hes> stern to work on sits yourself yes. Are there any actors who really struck you while you were working with them or observing them. Oh sure I mean <hes> to me. It was <hes> I I was. I I worked on movie called airborne. When I was a little kid who was about rollerblading and <hes> I remember <hes> Seth Green played my boyfriend in the movie and I remembered him from radio? Today's and now like the trajectory of his career to me is fascinating because he started off as just a baby and how he still working <hes> you know he was someone who had always admired and then I was finally working with them in his work. Ethic was incredible and he was such a sharp kid. It was very clear to me that he would be you know he was highly intelligent child so he was he would probably be good at anything thing. He dabbled in but one thing that I really i. I meant meeting Reese Witherspoon. Apparently she was bored at Stanford. She grabbed she dropped out. These are highly intelligent people jodie foster you know these are people that really do you assume that they would probably be good at anything they did. <hes> <hes> you know the real artists to me like like Danny Devito for instance he you can talk to him about anything thing you can talk to him about the Chinese immigration and and you know <hes> you can talk to him about you know <hes> modern literature he can talk to you about anything. He's just he's. He's it's obvious he leads leads a very full life and it shows in his work so meeting it just turned out when I did meet the Fox and you meet Barbra streisand Robert Deniro and and and Dustin Hoffman he reminds you of those theater Geeks in college. They still have that same enthusiasm that that kids have when they're performing. It's you can't believe it hasn't gone away. There's there's nothing jaded about these a-listers I've worked with. There's nothing wrapping jaded about them. I think publicity is what makes them sometimes jaded. I think it's it's it's how it spun on the Internet or what have you but these people that are seem. Untouchable are some of the nicest people ever <hes> you know. These were people I remember Angelina Jolie. WHO's Angie void at the time went to Strasbourg <hes> she was painfully shy but now in retrospect I look back and she was just a young girl who was observing? She was just observing and it was <hes> she was a real artist. As a kid I mean she'd come in with like all of her little rings on and she was only like thirteen fourteen with giant Lipson these big huge is and and what came across is shyness was actually a very highly intelligent little girl just watching an absorbing everything that was around her it was it was really you know it's interesting to meet these people yeah that are sort of a glorified or made to be. You know you know larger than life untouchable behind their gated community. You know I just the US weekly section of stars. They're just like us where it's like. Jon Hamm takes out the trash so pumps gas. Do they walk and talk. They drink coffee. Yeah EXAC EPHRON getting gas at the Mobile State Zach F- car. He doesn't float from location. I can't imagine doing something like sister to then where you're put into a school situation that there's a ton of young people yeah. I'm always yeah so many of them. Disappeared appeared yeah. There are so many people in that movie on the I mean the whole cast obviously the monks and everybody else but ask me who asked me about anyone be able to tell you what's up with research them sure we all your rappers everybody in their Sir such interesting such interesting guys didn't even the young man who has the big solo the WHO was lead singer. Yes I know you're talking about. He changed his. He's the right my slave name yeah yeah yeah yeah. I think if I know who you're talking about so many people in there that that you would think you're obviously you never stopped working but you had general of Hewitt who tiny part yeah. She's there to be pretty upset thing. She's supposed to be that she's airlines are like and can we put makeup on you know. That's her thing yeah. We're going to have time for this on me yeah and she's one of the ones who stayed well. I think the people that that did St- I think the the people that did sustain a career with the people that were not <hes> sort of <hes> tied to labels IDA musically because there you go we were not. We weren't like you know a scooped up by a label and said you're going to be the next Madonna. You're going to be the next you know I. I don't know you're going to be the next L._l.. Cool J whatever they would compare them to but these kids weren't initially actors they were entertainers and they had great voices and I think maybe I I'm just assuming that they probably got scooped up by labels and they were given one chance unfortunately as as as a music as recording artists you're given one chance in it's all on you and if the record sales don't do well well then you know you're sort of a flash in the PAN. Unfortunately were as an acting if a movie you do as a big flop. It's not on you yeah. It's everything that has a lot to especially. If you're uh the star when you are which is why you know Fuji's Lauryn Hill's Fuji's was it was like catching lightning but for them she won the Lotto. I mean she was a part of Van Band was she was part of a group that was very zeitgeist Zeitgeist Dean and what did she do. They spun it because she was just so beautiful and she had such an interesting unique sophisticated voice for such a for child that they were able to sort of groom her into becoming you know Ms Lauren Hill and it also I think you know <hes> being a part of the whole Marley you know planet. All of it really adds more to the mistake of being Lauren Hill so. I think that that is what what what people really gravitated hated toward but you know you have something like sister act to that. That is sort of these kids were hoping to be a launching pad to a music career of course and music careers are just so short-lived like the the life of an athlete yeah. I you know what I was just one of those like you know singing lessons then ballet lessons than acting lessons and I never really took it seriously <hes> you because I would I would go to New York and then I'd hear these kids live and I'd be like Oh wow well. They really have exercised that muscle. I'm a little rev around the edges but you know it's you. You're not given as as much opportunity to sing living Los Angeles as you would as I would have better. I lived in New York so that's that's the reason behind that get to sing in one of the greatest movies of all time cutting Oh yeah yeah hey has stuck with so many of us absolutely as you see that Liz oh just performed and did a tribute no she was oh just performed at the MTV movie awards and did a tribute to the joyful joyful. Oh that's so cool where she says Liz has take off your rogue. She starts in Aerob- singing then they do the the harmonizing and the vocalizing watch it on Youtube and just have a laugh. That's amazing 'cause it stays unbelievable. Yeah it it it you never you never have been cut till Aguirre's later and I was pregnant very pregnant and I got a call all from the the Lien Greg who directed cocoa yes yes. He someone you guys have to like interview he is do you know him. Li used to be the projectionist Dennis. What in the theater U._S._C. where I teach when he's just so so with the class with with Coq Libra Oh my God which is a beautiful beautiful film? Oh and congratulations thank you get asked me to sing in it and I was like Oh wow what what an opportunity. This is awesome. What was just to reverse just for a moment of how did you get into voice acting because you've been doing that a long time? Ah Yes coco's just the latest most prominent example of that. You started doing that a long time ago. That's a great question and I'll tell you what happened. I was not working a lot. I mean it's like the Pamela Avalon story shirt the you know what I mean I was. I got a little bit parts and indies and stuff but I wasn't making a lot of money you know and my manager had <hes> had a client over at vox boxes. <hes> <hes> a voice a voice artist <hes> agency Z. and she'd said you know you might WanNa try voiceovers and I thought yeah let's let's try it and Lo and behold I just started getting call backs for little boys constantly little boys and I thought Oh but. It it was so much fun because I thought well I get to mimic all the cartoon characters that I fell in love with when I was growing up I mean I was dictated to marry melodies jerk der- or I mean we know I I know like all the dialogue most of the of the cartoons so to me it was late as that's music to his ear demanding. I'm GonNa test me started do do you know what I was just watching it. The the other day and I just couldn't stop cracking up. My son was looking at me like I was out of my mind but Little Red Riding Hood which she turns out to we sing this around <music>. We walked singing that rather free. What a perfect part anyway? I mean you get to be silly when you're doing voiceovers started working a lot and that's how you know I was able to to grandma sixty guys for grandma big ice for so called refunding out that that was b-b-bend Sarah I grew up watching on camera very sedate. You know characters last burns and Georgian gracie's neighbor on the Brinson Allen show no she was the star of Petticoat junction. You really know all of this too hard anyway anyway so you got to do it now yes and then and then pound puppies pound poppy I said a and B. Yes and Rengo and and <hes> Oh a lot of them boy at Brandon Mister whiskers and I started doing a little almost you know these <hes> these little spots for you know nutrition attrition announces for Health Health Announcements for children like bananas GimMe Energy just when I need for soccer so like like a little boy little Athena boy running around in fact yeah I remember this when when you reference Pamela Avalon a little one that is those who don't know Nabi Hill she was Bobby Hill on the hill why because they realized that if they hired a real twelve or thirteen year old boy his voice would change at some point yes and it was much more reliable right to hire an adult to do that voice and then they could always do that right. It is played by a girl yes so you were Rivera. Manny Rivera an Ebay for a long time and that was sort of my first big thing where I was you know playing you. You know the lead on this little on this this little Sean nickelodeon playing this little boy and I just I couldn't believe how fun it was. That was back in the days where all the voice over actors would be in one studio the acting what what a fun Gig you can wear your P._J.'s to work. It is awesome yeah and that's like like doing a radio show. There's an ensemble. There's whereas feature film we've been doing a lot of time quite a few lovely. The voice folks on films. They generally record you separately. Individually which I'm sure has its benefits right production. It's good for them. It's a very solitary but it's Scott Bueller tougher for you. I was worse sure now for those who don't know you are the matriarch in cocoa. That is a heck of a role. Oh that was so much fun it was it was just another audition because nowadays you can record your additions on your I phone right <hes> you can record it. Trial changed yeah that's right and when they had sent me the audition I read it and of course you know it's like Fort Knox at Pixar very very very secretive about what they're you know presenting sure and and so I assumed that why is this woman mad about her photo not being on an old friend but she had the D._M._v.. I don't understand just I think she's upset that she said the D._N._B.. Or something I was reading a lot of my my husband was in the other room and he heard me and it took him hearing what the dialogue wasn't he came in. He was like Alana. She's dead a she's dead. It's he was like it's almost like beetlejuice. Yeah I think she maybe she doesn't realize she's dead or something but yeah I think this is this. This might be a day of the dead. Movie is not going to be entered out today. That movie David that yeah that there's a lot of fun and that movie means a lot. Mike God who a lot of and I'm sure that you're Hispanic family. All over the place is thrilled. Unbelievable says it broke all kinds of records in Mexico. It was yeah you became the number one movie and yeah in in Mexican history to be made it was it really did tug on everyone's heart strings and I think it was just it was at such a perfect time obviously because we were you know obviously unfortunately <hes> we've been under such <hes> scrutiny these past couple of years and and for us to to to to have a movie that finally shines the light on the sophistication of the culture is so important because very many very few people know it. It's not just about sugar skulls and it's not just sugar a whole meaning and it's already work with Gutierrez. Yes Rivera who made book of life that was a movie about yes there you go and that was about mass that was just a masterpiece and I think what cocoa did was. It brought everyone could relate to it because it was all about the importance of family and being members sure and everyone's biggest fear do I think is to be forgotten so <hes> that it really did touch a lot of people I'm so proud of them being raised with a Salvadorian Mumia which is why he's mommy does he <hes> defying Sandal bit. Oh yeah the junk lead Jangling Iowa's honest yeah on the floor laughing so hard I came home. I went to my mom and I was like you have to see this movie. You're GonNa die absolutely the Sandal. You had to be afraid really God yes. Oh I I love it. I love it there. I'm thrilled ear in it and especially as I say for your family that gets to be something very <hes> especial so special over absolutely and something I could show my my son absolutely there's another one where we're talking about. These these roles that differ generations and depending on how old you are. That's a big deal and that's going to be a movie where when someone's twenty or thirty they go. Oh God that was my favorite film growing up. I loved it so much. That's how they know. Yeah Yeah Yeah our wild. It's it's something speaking of recognition. You have been on a number T._V. T._v.. Show guest stars innumerable TV series but as regular <hes> characters recurring characters sure you've been on a number of right now. You're on euphoria before he out which is big deal. Getting a lot of you. Were on girlfriends guide to divorce. Yes well for several years. I mean so when you're on T._v.. Show that's kind of hot. Do People's recognize recognize you at the grocery store at the gas station. I mean do you get different level of recognition than than you do doing movies or occasional guest shot here or there you know the thing about living in Los Angeles is and I have a feeling this is what happens before someone gets a job in a coffee shop or an record store at at a department store or at the grocery at the market what have you I think they're so used to seeing you know recognizable faces coming in and out there just jaded. Do I ever get recognized. I'll get approached by usually an actor. Someone who who is just starting out who will come up up and say I really like your work. Whatever and I have a conversation with them? I will talk their ear off. They have to like peel. They're out of out of my eyesight for me to stop talking but it's a lot the fun to get to get recognized approached to share. You have a lot to teach people you know sh hey I mean it's it's <hes> I find myself when I'm in Ohio visiting my mother-in-law no no. I don't get recognized. Maybe at the airport but <hes> you know I I guess it's I'm at this point my career where I'm one of that's the girl from. That's that that woman who was in school with her she he just I found this out. That's television as opposed to being Brad Pitt right on a giant sixty foot screen night. You're in their home. They know what they don't know. Why right so he gets were you? Were you will Iberian Yeah in blank Tennessee. He has to go no. That's not what he's right there for a bunch my actor friends someone's like it's search for it and then and then you'll in reading your entire I._M._D._b.. Yeah go it's made maybe you saw me and legally blonde. No never seen that movie maybe from no no it's not that either yeah okay okay my right right now. I I usually ask them there as I was like. This is a very rude question. How old are you know? I'm thirty one yeah you know me from waiting like that's it. You know the woman is like mass cold your shoes. I am forty five me from girlfriends. Guy Divorced so fun kids. Yes Cocoa. Play demographic game right back played the demographic game right back. I love that Demo. That's very canny of you also probably six time it's yes. I'm always it always in the middle of an errand always so what are you up to now so what's going on <hes> basically two year old my two year old yes. He's about to turn to July twenty fifth very exciting my gosh is he a handful right now royal boy. He's my first one and done one and done yet it. Oh Yeah I get it <hes> so yes I've been I've been <hes> spending a lot of time with him. which is wonderful but yes euphoria is is something that is <music> on air right now and I'm really looking forward to a Charles Randolph film about the Roger Ailes debacle at Fox the will be released in December starring Shirley's their own of her as Megan Kelly yes and and she's phenomenon in this and I play Janine Pierro Fox News broadcaster? That's that's I'm so jazzed. I'm really I'm really excited about it. It's it's a really wild film and it's still untitled. They don't have title for the movie but I <hes> you know. Some of the scenes are things that we had no idea were going on. We'll be introduced to and I know there's something coming out on showtime that is about the Roger Ailes <hes> <hes> Russell Crowe Russell Crowe and and <hes> I think <hes> <hes> Charles Randolph really went in depth and really found out <hes> a lot of Intel that we know nothing about the we're about to be introduced needs to come December. I'm excited OI yeah right juicy. It's very juicy yeah. I'll share a story with you. When this stuff suffering party? I was blown away by one of the scenes. I couldn't believe that it actually happened but it did coming to you in December cliffhanger yeah yeah very excited about that so you do have your hands full on domestic front as well as the professional rational yes I do I do. I do <hes>. There's there's a great show. That's going to be coming out called mythic question. It's from all the boys who brought you. It's always sunny in Philadelphia and some coming in on that on Netflix and that's that's a lot of fun. It's about Oh my God the video video game world the Gamers and you know all of yeah all of those children from that world and I knew nothing about the game or world until you know until this came around so the very hush hush about this every project nowadays as is very they have to be but now now we know the ticked the most important box as a as a working actor in Hollywood. You do have a Netflix show because are you really even real at this point. Are you a human being if you're not somewhere on on even I know it's isn't that interesting that the White House will be brought to us by Netflix right. I'm waiting. I'm sure I'm sure we always joke opened his class. <HES> WE WANNA say brought to you by Nachos or something like that every arena you go to now. 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Erinn and Ollie: The In-Laws Episode

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

59:54 min | Last month

Erinn and Ollie: The In-Laws Episode

"Hi i'm kate. Hudson name is oliver hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relations and what. It's like to be siblings. We are assembling rail though. Now don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good tweet. Me failed to get the congress is now fill the rosa again. The rose as refilled. And we're back erin. Bartlett oliver hudson back at it again. Brief intermission with a voicemail listener appreciation episode. And now we're back at it after two weeks after two weeks in we were at undisclosed location. Yeah in cape cod. Perfection was great such an amazing spa. And now we here an albuquerque new mexico. Because i'm doing a job just starting it and errands here for moral support because probably lose my mind. She wasn't we came out our first two shows. I guess it was pretty deep. Became out with a became hot. You know so it's like how do you follow that. But today we wanted to sort of talk about the in-law experience i was just in mass. I was just on the cape with her in laws brooks in an and of course you know the first time aaron for some you met i. You met my parents. Parents was before we were dating. Yeah right but then we were sort of hooking up and have a morning after lake should total walk. Shame where she was. Because i was living at home. Twenty four and still living at home. Twenty three twenty. You're twenty. yeah no. You're just turned twenty four. Yeah was that the night with robin. No it will john. Yeah i think it was an we had a crazy night. An iron gave it up. You know first time we hooked up bone right out the gate just trying to preface it within a and a half of friendship phone calls flirting now. Right out the gate. First time we finally first time it hooked up boom bang. Bang bang gotta be member. I was like it was like six. Am and i was like i'm gonna go and you like grab me like no. You're not yes no you're not. You're like sat me up on on the sink pink and then the rest is his jury bank anyway. Should do a little bit of a walker. Shame because she came down the stairs and who is there. Your mom a momma's as hi honey. This is not high planned this going. We'll staying on theme evincing on the theme of sort of in-laws you know we. Also i thought we were talking about it and our first podcast together kind of unfolded not planned a little naturally and it was scary but it was very well received than we did a little follow up episode and then i just thought like what else would people wanna hear about and mike. What would be interesting. 'cause obviously you know we could talk about us or whatever there's things to stay relevant to sort of relevant but just you know i just got off the cape i was just with your hodel and your parents came to the cave. That's right my parents came to the cape instead because we were like not only that but people want people are curious honestly not talking about listeners but just in general of like what. It's like to come to come into our family. You know which is crazy fucking family of totally years trying to kind of describe it and answer that question. What's it like all the huns. Your mother-in-law and you know all of these questions and i thought it would be kind of an interesting fun episode to divulge a lot of you know what began as well. Well i mean honestly in laws can break up marriages. I mean that. Make or break. Marriages marriage asli. It's the hardest thing for couples to deal with because people can evolve. People can change. I know a lot of people. Don't think that they can. You can grow as a couple. You can grow individually but one thing that will never change and never go away your laws and so if you think if that is a red flag in the beginning of your relationship lee will always be there run because i mean honestly we have friends. We have friends who not not breaking up but who have to deal with that. It's been in. It's major in wage trickles down. Unfortunately it trickles down into your relationship. Even if you don't want to. Because i think what happens is you know you and your partner have a separate relationship but the minute in laws get involved. I think the natural instinct is if if if your partner's criticizing your in laws. You may agree with your. Your partner is criticizing your parent. Your parents sorry. Let's just say for example. All of her has a problem with my parents. And i might even agree with him. But there's something that i have seen and witnessed that goes down. Which is you must wanna like. Protect your family. Because it's your family your loyalty so then it gets a little sticky and then you know you're trying to please all these different people and different dynamics and layers in. It's very complicated and i always feel like that's a really tough one because you can go to therapy with your partner. You can ebb and flow with your partner but like in are there to stay in law therapy amazing because half the time i guarantee therapists are like oh my god like a huge part of my clientele you know is dealing with him so anyways we thought it would be probably have to just take in order to get through that. I mean sometimes you might just have to say look. It's just not on the table like we're doing our relationship but hindi deal would happen to be of no fucking choice. You have no choice. You've no choice. Then you're dealing with generation in generational like how traditions and things and people and now here's the thing also also liked traditions. Great great point like christmas holiday holidays thanksgiving whose plays and whose house. I've sort of like my family's usurped thing is it's different so getting into our situation just a little bit. We don't we're so lucky. No no we hit the. I mean hard lucky. Have this conversation about it because a we're not you know Unaware of of how difficult it is. And how lucky we are But i think there's a level of interest because you get married and you think ok. Raising kids is going to be your biggest challenge and it is usually. That's the biggest thing that people face of. How are we raising them. Making choices all that kind of shit. But there's always that background of inlaws because there is just next episode is raising kids honestly because it all it all it all factors because your parents inform how you wanna raise your kids or or not raising. My parents inform how i want to raise our kids and we have to come together with our different backgrounds. Different ideas and somehow rush them so differently. No my god but the there's whore of family values meaning family kinda came you know it was very important theme and having fun and being together and like at the root of it. There were definitely similarities. There was happiness you know. There was joy in certain things but like long meadow. God maybe but not. I mean i came from a divorced family are high school sweethearts. Let's start with annan brooks yeah. My parents grew up in a small town. South of boston knew each other. Their whole life began dating in high school. Stayed together got married. Very young. had me at twenty-five five my brother at twenty seven and they're still together and you know one of the greatest couples that i know. I mean they are opposites that attract so like you know. They're they definitely have their differences but it works and they've created such an incredible partnership. And i think your dad is saint. Now i mean he's beautiful human being ever and your mom. There's probably no one no one more. I would want to hang out with than your mom you know. We used to smoke together. We both don't smoke cigarettes anymore. But we used. I mean she was like my girl like we would go out on the porch. Have our cocktails smoke. A thousand cigarettes and just talk shit. She is pissing vinegar and is straight up. Tell you how it is noble shit and it's just yes i've has her love with your parents by the way on a side note like their best action. There's thing we got lucky. I mean that normally doesn't happen but yes. They were high school sweethearts. I mean you know your mom isn't seen another pena's besides the one peanuts that's it and like my brothers. She was changing. I'm sure there's been. Some others flashed along the way she has. You know your dad. High schools isn't it was the sixties. I mean. it was a different time. I always say that to brooks brooks. And i have like you know very open and we we. We have y. Yeah okay this is. I will use like you. Don't want me to know. But i was going to say the. The story was in high school. My mom would tell the story to basically. He knows dating my dad. He was a great older and very charming. And kind of you know mr popular whatever you wanna say and he would drop my mom off because she had a curfew and then head out afterwards to the dbq to dairy queen and like you know still flirt and do his thing and whatnot. My mom i remember her telling me some crazy stories. She was in the bathroom and high school in a stall and she heard two girls. Come in talking. Something like blah blah blah. And i was with brooks barlett at the d. q. Last night and this and that came out of the door washing your hands and she looked at them and said hope he had fun last night. But i'm going to marry him and like walked out the door and like i always thought that's incredibly you know bold and confident and amazing and she did and it was like have fun. Do you think but like he's mine kind of vibe and it's still to this day he is so in love and always catering in an affectionate and you know you know. Feels like he hit the jackpot so getting into our situation at the in laws so we started dating and we were dating three or four months. I think because it was february. Yeah yeah no but then then you said to me like i want you to come back in my parents and i didn't want to go. We talked about this last time to the cape to the cape. Because you had just taken your your previous boyfriend right there the year before all of them you are just one of. I didn't wanna be that guy the next year comments as i'm not going not doing so i took someone else and we had a great summer. Tell no but then you did come to. Florida came to florida. Then i was like all right. We're all in. we're in love. It's time to meet your parents. And they were living in tampa at the time and we show up and it was immediate connection. Yeah i mean had known about you for a long time. I mean you know they. My parents knew kind of the whole meeting. And i said our friendship and our flirtations in this and that that we were together and so there was you know. Yeah i mean we have a famous picture. The first night that i met your parents your dad got a limo and we were drinking. Burn steak burn. Steakhouse has got hammered. Like bottles of i picture. We ever took brooks her dad brooks i took. I had a cigarette one side and joint in the other side of my mouth That he provided by the way. I also sure with brooks tonight. If you guys in the bathroom at like the mets or whatever they're called the urinals and i said hey and you both turned around over your shoulder. i mean it's like a classic picture and their you guys are. I mean we're that we're a rose colored one two had that from my guide to becoming a rockstar. That's my wardrobe getting back to kind of the differences of our upbringing in our inlaws. Meaning i had high school sweetheart still married. Small town You know growing up. And then you have of course to icon. Status movie stars Both divorced entertain your child of divorce. Like all of those things. We couldn't be more different When it comes to that and then you know you throw in just kind of their backgrounds and you know your dad and then you know. Kurt has season and his ex and there was just a lot a lot of baggage But ultimately i say this all the time like kurt is originally from maine and born in springfield massachusetts which is even crazier. Because that's basically the tiny town next door to where i grew up and then your mama's from maryland so there are these east coast routes that i think our parents kind of connect on in a way. There's a there's a familiarity. And i think for your parents would i'll say is yes. There are these huge icons and movie stars and but they didn't. You know like kind of come from that i guess. And so there's a comfort or familiarity when they are with my parents. There's a feeling of all my gosh. We can be normal. And were you know there's I don't know how to explain it. But i think there's just a comfort in that normalcy or familiarity. They also just love. How real yeah and my parents are so you know. My parents are new englanders their class. It kind of you know just easy to be around like have to have a good time and have a cocktail and have good conversation. So they're definitely easy to be around but imagine me calling and saying so you know. We'll how did that work. So you know it's different. We have a bigger family. We have thanksgivings and christmases. That are sort of these. Big to do's now you have a smaller family able to up your christmases. Because at that point i was whatever twenty seven or something like that. Twenty eight My brother was you know in his mid twenties. So christmas looked like me. Just coming home and the four of us would just hang out and we were just happy to have dinner. You know maybe go out for like you know chinese food and like order pizzas in laugh. Watch movies we cooked on christmas day. You know would make a big turkey and treat a couple presents but we were down in florida at the time. So it's not even like. I was in massachusetts where if i was i might have been getting together with jail and davin lennon craig and everybody but we weren't and i was in california. So is coming home. That was more about. Just the four of us being together didn't really matter. So then it was. You and your family were going to colorado and it was kind of a really big traditional to do baby cousins you know aunts uncles very festive And then i remember you saying like. Would you ever want to stay in. Come and do christmas with us and for me. It was in about like christmas day and like missing that with my family was more just my time to be with them so then. What i did was the first couple of years. I did christmas with my family and they flew to do new year's with you and thanksgiving thanksgiving i can't remember. I went back a couple years. But then i started. We were later on but my parents were like. It was less about the tradition of christmas. It was more just like that's a time for us to hang out. Yeah so as long as i had that time with them that worked out. We really like choosing. I know we got so lucky because there are so many couples who were like have to sacrifice their tricks. Giving with one christmas with another me crazy. Now it's hard But i guess it's just part of the part of the part of the ball cross country you know some couples or not. I mean you could be across town and do the morning with one family the evening with another. 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She's goldie hawn but right now she's always mom. Who's in the kitchen. You know making like probably biscuits and gravy or something you know cute and fun and so there is this feeling that immediately you can switch into that gear. It happens faster than you think And then the next couple of times you know it got easier and then you kind of start to realize like oh yeah like of course. She's goldie hawn but she's also your mom. Yeah and so. That transition probably happened fairly quickly. When you're hanging out when you're with full. I think has been fairly quickly for me. Only because they knew so much about her from you. And i you know. Is she there there. There is a feeling of both of them when you meet them. And this is what my parents said to. There's no air. There's no oh my gosh. You're meeting a celebrity there. They are so much. Like oh my gosh like. We're meeting errands parents. Or this is all these new girl. He's been talking about. They don't think they're movie stars or icons for that matter. I mean later released like your mom forgets like we're out talking in public and she's talking to wanted maybe like just keep it down. A little like the people next to us are listening. And she's like. Oh i've forgotten anything. I mean literally. It's like they don't notice or think about it so that's a very unique quality. I think for them. That's that's so You know beautiful to see. But i think when they met my parents there was an excitement on their end that they're meeting errands parents like for them. They were as excited or as curious. What's also to see where you came from. Oh totally you know. Yeah and that's the thing is you're with my family right so much. Well we live in the same town a couple of away so there is that advantage but removed the cape. Yes to your parents but the second half of our relationship. Don't tempt me aren't but i will say like you know one of the first times i was having dinner with your parents. Your mom you know was so sweet. She was going to cook those the scalpers and so she was cooking and she was going to make scallops and you know she said it to ali was again it sounds great and of course he knows that i mean. I like scallops now but at the time he knew it didn't like love love seafood or scallop like nothing. You no palette cheeseburgers french fries. You try various anyhow. Yeah so then. Of course he says to me on my mom's making scallops. And i'm like oh okay like he knows i don't like it in a and he's like should i tell my mom and i was like no. What tell her that. I don't want scallops in his again. I said don't i'll kill you like. I'll pretend i'll have a few bites like you can eat mine. Just you know like any normal good partner. Do you would help cover for me. And of course we sit down. It's outside she's cooked this beautiful dinner and you know done all of her stuff kind of thinking. Oh this is like our. I sit down with aaron like we're going to talk and meet. I mean we had met a few times but it was the real i like. Do you want to come to dinner with my parents. So we sit down and ali throws his fork and knife down like a sound on the table and he's like mom and he was like after she after she served everybody on the plate. And he's like i told you aaron doesn't like scallops. She doesn't eat seafood. And he makes this big scene and goldies like. Oh my gosh honey. You didn't tell me that. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. I'm literally mortified turning bright. Right on my big. That's not true. And he's like yes it is. Why are you lying teller. You don't like scallops literally through under the buys like right away but it's set the tone for the rest of our relationship relationship. Because i was like note to self doubt your drew an icebreaker and it was really funny and she was so sweet you know. Of course i was like i'm gonna eat this couch and she's like it's okay and like just be honest if you don't like scallops that's okay like why are you hiding it. And i'm thinking here's a clash of like the most open you know on say family and then i come from new england. Polite like people pleasing background would never wanna like rock the boat but needless to say eight some of the scallops and they were really good and then i think we went out for pizza. Now i know but and then our parents met. And i think they stayed at my house. No not the first time they met. They didn't now. The first time they met they started doing that. Like they're like really clutch of the roomies. Cute yeah i mean look my parents i think for them. Obviously as anyone can understand they're like coming in to meet goldie hawn incur russell. I it's a big deal. But knowing you i think they just felt at ease thinking like all right you know. He's so great like they've got to be pretty great. And then you know they just really hit it off. I mean my mom. Your mom couldn't be more opposites yet. They just find the best in each other. They find the things that work. And that's what i love. I know you know it's like parents came to the cape and they stayed with your parents. Yeah a little condo. Yeah and of course. My parents like this beautiful house at the cape. And they downsized a couple of years ago. My mom's like they loved him. My my mom was like oh my god. They're coming to our little condo. Meanwhile they were like it was the greatest three days. We wanna come back so great so cute. Great yeah our upbringings we were so vastly different and we get together and then we have children. And you take certain things from your childhood that you want to emulate you had this idyllic childhood in the small town of long meadow where it was almost like a movie you know wasn't real and i was in la at sixteen like going to clubs friendly's half day o'connor's men with like you know i and then we have our kids and you wanna instill some of those sort of small town values into kids. Who are living in la. Well here's it's like one of those things where i think when i moved to. La jodi did the drive with me. You know it's like. I think. I thought i would be there temporarily. Not only did. I not think it was going to you know mary someone you know from there but i definitely plan on raising my kids They're just because it was so it is so different. But i think you know agreed thing. Is you have now seen a little bit of you know my upbringing right whether it be through my parents and my brother and now my friends You know in in the experience you've always Valued it and valued and trusted me in you. Know whatever the experiences war whether it be from my parents or you know location and small town. But i've also looked at. You know the job your parents have done and the things that you've been through to kind of say okay. There are a few things that were kinda great that came out of this experience supposed to the ideas. Like you marry your father. You know what i mean like. Do you think you're married your dad. Can we cut. I'm just getting i do. I mean there are things in a weird way of course like you know. It's it's it's different. But yes i if i had to say like the charming kind of You know life of the party. You walk in the room like there is something magnetic about you. My dad give back to our previous episode is that we did you know but you know i was sort of this prince charming in a sense like your dad who put on a pedestal. I mean yeah. He calls her pal and brooks does too erin and he's still kisses her and loves her and cries and it's just father daughter bond. That is so amazing. And you know. I think you chose me and had this idea that i was going to be like that in a sense and then of course towers that bubble being repaired. No but here's the thing. Also that's that's real life you know because everybody is going to look at their father and a certain way. What's your i. Love your dad of course and it does set the standard. And then i think what's the irony is you know i had this kind of perfect marriage to look up to him and my parents never thought i mean the one time the brooks and i talk about which is so funny my childhood where i remember them. They had a party at the house. My brother and i were upstairs. Long story short. We heard them kind of arguing. Wasn't even bad but it was enough for us to sit at the top of the stairs and say my gosh like what's going on like we've never really heard this and they're arguing going back and forth and then they come around the corner and we're at the top of the stairs sitting there and they're like. Oh hey what are you guys still doing up you know with our. You're asleep and we were both like in tears and we're like are you guys getting a divorce and they start laughing. And they're like wait. Why like know why but that to me was like my parents were always kind of happy and in love and you know whatever and just to hear them kind of have argument. It's funny translated it to divorce right and that is that. Was your picture of what a relationship should be like. you know. it's interesting when talking about parents or in laws or whatever the fuck this episode is about. It doesn't really matter but you know that is your picture of what a healthy relationship is because it was beautiful healthy and then you go to me when you look at my situation where them you know. My parents were divorced and stepdad. And you know yada yada and this is sort of my picture of what it is to sort of relationship or oh apps you know i look at it like why are you scared to get married for beautiful married. I don't know if we talked about it in the last previous episodes. But i didn't. You didn't think that we were going to get married. You know because. I didn't know if i wanted to get married. I i saw a divorce and then i saw curtain mom and it was it was it was great. They were happy you know and go. Well that's the way you do it. You just don't get married. I guess exactly challenging you and saying okay but like you know blah blah blah and we would go back and forth and argue it and i think at the end of the day we broke it down because he would be like. Why do you wanna get married. Like what is it. And i said i remember just being like honestly i want the party. Your dad dad walked me down the aisle. There's just that kind of tradition and romantic idea. East coast west coast title. The title of the bug east goes west coast. But you know. I think at the end of the day i know my parents did. Dad was protestant. My mom was catholic. And you know they actually went through. A lot of difficulty is married and you know someone. Dad's mom like didn't want to go to christening policy genius genius is the key word here said they're leading online insurance marketplace. Their mission is to help people get insurance right and they do this by making it really easy for you to understand. Your options compare quotes and then by a policy all in one place so just sort kind of consolidates everything for you if a going since two thousand fourteen. They've helped over thirty million people shop for life insurance. This is how it works. 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And i think they grew up with this feeling of. It's hard enough to find somebody to that. You get along with that you fall in love with you know. Whoever it is like who background you know brace x. anything they didn't care they were just like we just want you guys to be happy My the just dating. I mean. how how. How long are we dating. When i had to go not had to but it went. Went back east with you because your grandfather died a year little over a year long trip. Yeah well because it was. So it was open. Casket and i'm in. I never nuts. I show up and everyone go my god and meeting everybody in the family for the first time. There's like funeral home. I now i was easy. I met your family for the first time in standing your grandfather. And i you know my parents lines casket remember. I think we got a little off track anyways. Here's the thing. I what i'll say like with inlaws is at a certain point. Like you have to have a connection with your partner. That says hey. These are the things that we're going to have to deal with. These are the things that you know. Because you're making kind of your own new life. And i look at it now having kids and having like my older you know my son getting older and this and that and you think as the parent your kids are yours like you fuck created them. You made them you own them. They're yours and then you're letting them go into this whole new world of somebody else's family and traditions and you know so both grandparents moods yours now you have to share them. Wilder or any of our kimball wife or husband and they're they're like you know sorry dad lights neon you know whoever's christmas i be like fuck no you're not you're not you're not going i mean and then that's when i come in and say talk off calm you down and say you know what i'm saying and now there's so much more nowadays i feel like you know different blended and things and there's a little it's a little looser but back in the day i mean you know you're dealing with traditions and families and different backgrounds and coasts and places south. I mean so many factors. I'm sure keep north. I'm just saying like are you from the midwest or the south east coast west coast would say. What did i say south-north. I met like film the cell. But it's funny because usually people go north south. You went south south north. you do. yeah on me. Start south in the move north and then moved north. Yeah start at my move up. Yep we're getting off topic again. This is what happens anyways. I will say because you're speaking about sex though. Because you know like a sexual reference your mom and dad are always talking about sex rum's cadad- like you know wants to jump on top me data brooks always like. Hey yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah still still going at going at it. I will say thinking about in laws and it can be a sensitive like sore subject for some people we obviously got so fucking lucky Been living with your family and a few streets away for twenty years. I mean holidays trips traveling. Like but i will say like just you know there. Is this feeling of warmth family They both always kind of want the family to be together You know there is even though it's a it's a small family. There's a feeling of just generosity. That is so big right. It's kind of always you know whether it's sunday family dinners you know movie nights or big. You know. get togethers like they. They have both. They both had that. I would say from their families. Family obviously in california and big and gregarious and that i mean we have a bigger family than you. You know. I mean but it was great seeing your and your aunts but it's smaller you know it's just your brother cousins and the little cousins and but yeah i mean it is it's it's definitely smaller But when we used to all. I used to live there and growing up we always. Did you know big thanksgiving said auntie gills and it was a big gatherings was. There was a very similar feeling to to miss that totally. Do you wish that they still had they still do. I'm just not there. They're still doing it either. Gills or my parents buddy and deal with your crag in the cousins and everybody come it was. I mean bessette do you. You've never asked to go back or okay. So personally flying on thanksgiving nightmare. Don't wanna do it then. Then flying back to lake sheedy like weather thanksgiving. And i'd rather spend the time with my family in the summer or at another time than actually like thanksgiving dinner. You know having turkey but the tradition. When we were growing up was at jilin. Zolt house that you don't didn't know but and it was so fun and people would stop by and come in late night and i've been drinking all day football games. Board games fun you know. Got wild and crazy and it's part of my childhood. I remember being young and watching the adults all party. I remember being like a teenager. Then remember coming home at college like it was a big tradition. It was bigger than christmas for my family. And you know so you kind of you want to continue the traditions. But at the end of the day it's about travel to. I don't i always think traveling on the holidays is such a pain in the as i would rather have quality time not on all day and not travel. But that's me. And i think my parents felt the same way they fill out. Your parents are so easy going. You know people are bored. You think maybe show talk about your mom and dad. Keep the your listeners engaged. One thing i i'll i'll i will say about coming into family. I mean i know. We talked about like meeting. Kate for the first time and boston was definitely like. Who's this new person. Because he loved. Vanessa it was thirteen and a teenager. Wilders it's so crazy. But i would say that they were so you know warm and welcoming and always themselves like you know kurt. He's you know so wants to have a great connection conversations and a good time and you know there's just a a joy You know to them. And i think they saw you know you and i as kind of like not that i was like good for you but i think that there is a feeling of like hope this. Oh yeah work for me. now. I remember number kurt. He was like that's the girl she grew before we were even grow. Should be whether something. That's a goal should be with And i think that's kind of like the east coast you know. I don't know whatever it is that we're we're going to be inlaws some point. It's crazy you know hopefully to Grace long kidding. Oh my god. Wow there's gonna kill me. I wonder if we're going to be good in. I mean probably. Yeah i would think nicole erik. We're going to be well all. I've just kidding fleas. Can you go go with my dream fantasy for a minute now. Too good mean you were home and you got you get such a taste of kind of like my upbringing and just the different world. I've lived in yours. I know all your friends. And you know childhood friends. And you know dynamics and things and you know you've slowly now been experiencing a little bit more. I mean you haven't been home to actual like long. Oh like you know the rough streets but you you. You know you're only with me because of my parents are well. I think this is a good time and place to kind of let the cat out of the bag that that was my goal spending insecurity of mine for a long time. All right good well. I'm glad we're getting it out. We wrap it up. I would say when you're in a relationship obviously we're sitting here talking about how lucky we got and we hit the jackpot which you know. We did Even though it's a crazy world to be thrown into you know with yours just in the public eye and you know dealing with so many different levels layers behind closed doors. It's the most normal family that just wants to be together and laugh and have a good time. And that was the connection for me where i was like god even though this is some crazy you know. Celebrity family inside closed doors. There was such a familiarity for me. I felt like being home. I've never once i miss. My family like on a daily basis and being across country as always been kind of a. You know a sad thing for me. Just because i was extremely coast with my family and my brother and you know just everything. My extended family But at least that sense of feeling comfort in family meaning. When i go to my in laws house i feel like it's my own. I feel there's warmth there's joy there's comfort there's laughter. There's all the things that you kind of crave you miss. You miss you know. And i never have felt like uncomfortable or being. There doesn't make me miss my family. Like i think a lot of times people are like. Oh i wish. I was in heroes with my family. I miss every day. I wish it was with them. Of course but there was a comfort there that i think helped me in the long run and i think just dealing with an accepting when you're in a relationship and if it isn't as kind of picturesque as our situation has been are easy it's finding your partner and finding something to kind of be on the same level or pl- plane with genitals inter connect on a kind of not make it a battle or a competition You know because. I look at them like all right. We're building this family together. I think my parents loved the tradition that we come back home and they have a little bit of east coast and they you know. See that side of the country and their family. And so you know there's a lot of things to kind of deal with and people to please And it's it's just you know. I look sometimes and i'm like thank god. We're not against each other. Like what about me and you know. I think a lot of times in relationships whether it be in laws or anything. It's like you want to be heard. You wanna be seen you know. And that's just an important thing to figure out before you get married w. should not be with someone knows no no no go in knowing we gotta figure this out because you know. Yeah i mean even traditionally. We talked about it before where. I didn't even ask your dad if i could marry her to get his blessing. I didn't even think about. It wasn't even seen thing to look. Because i knew when i met you or we started dating this and that like obviously i was attracted to you. I was thinking about us in dating. And you know. But when i really started falling falling for you and just thinking whoa i remember going to who you would be possibly as a father just your childhood. Your family values like all of those kind of things And knowing how much you kind of connected with my parents and you know it just there was something in there. That big test. You know meeting the in laws is a big test. I mean that's a big moment. Whereas i all right here we go. You know it's time to meet the parents but also looking at about it. You know so. When i was going i was going to tampa to meet your family for the first time. I didn't wanna go right after your last boyfriend was there you know and i was like gimme. Let me give it a beat. This is a big moment because this is where that this is where the person that i love you know. Her parents are going to meet me. Enjoy judge me. Of course that's natural. Hold on and see how that dynamic works and if it goes off great then oh my god yes right. It's just one more step to a potential great doesn't go well right but my dad was. It wasn't like drilling you and judging you like. What's up buddy. Let's go have some beer drinking like immediately and your mom was drinking and smoking. Cigarettes are they. Oh wow and then my years more mine was more traditional going over to meet the parents like you just around. I was around okay but your previous girlfriend was the most like naturally stunning. You know kind of sheikh beautiful girlfriend and she was a buddhist and goldie was into buddhism. So i just thought here. I am like a wannabe actress. You know like blonde and cute and like showing up at like like after like my walk of shame and like there. Was this like natural beautiful buddhist. You know like vanessa like she was part of the family van band one night like when i met into the house. And you guys are all on bongos and like tom cruise and katie microphone. And there's like vanessa. And i was like oh okay. So she's like part of the family band and there's like pictures of you guys in peru family album. I mean i was like okay now. They're meeting me like normally i'd be like any parents or inlaws like dream and then there was. You are so inadequate. Talk a little bit before. About how you know i. There's certain things about me. That are like your dad or similarities. Same thing for me you know and mom know there's a spirit about you. Know sort of Positively wanting to help people and pick up the underdog in just the outlook on life and the sort of your nature. Sixth very similar. I mean there's there's no doubt about it you know. I think that's that's natural. It's normal that you sort of unless unless your dad or your mother's just total disaster and then you go the opposite against it. Yeah you know yeah you marry the opposite of your mother or your father because you just can't stand them totally. That's not the case you know. I think we should end there on the fact that like. He's got anything like your mom. It's perfect place to end. Cause that yeah. I mean it's interesting. Just fun to see it evolve a now. I mean here. We are doing podcasts. Looking back because it's been twenty years which still blows my mind but crews a long time to look back and think and just how it's all evolved but yeah all right. Thanks for humoring me. Homie or the listeners. Will you you will hear from us again. I'm sure do you want to hear that's a good question to ask. Yeah email right responded to shoot an email to our busy. So we're sort of taken over the little bit. Kate night we'll be sporadically throwing some some things in there and and you know and i will. We're filling in. What do you want to hear all right. 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Aaron Wilson In Studio Talks Deshaun Legal Troubles, Why The Texans Are A 5+ Win Team

"I got shot former. Avail quarterback time french very. This is the sean salisbury show. We had our number three. And there's also the talk and bob eubanks confirmed we went on because the name of the segment and the but bob was would it called on the newlywed game and they interviewed bob eubanks. We're looking at it. And he was talking about urban legends and he goes well. He was interviewed but he said well. That really didn't happen. Because you see clips of it and people splice stuff in and the rest of it but he said here's what happened goes i said well. No no no that. That's an urban legend but he did ask the same question and called a be dot sex saying difference. I and it was so many years ago but there was a gal on there. They asked and you back it up there and she got bleeped out. I guess didn't make air but they it right the bloopers and she said In the with the the the word right and he said oh no no no. No no no no. Everybody was crying laughing. And he says. I mean location like not that location but basically the way eubanks described the thing classic. And it's always labeled in the but bob because that's the way it was but these. The folk tale is not folktales. Because she simply thought he was talking about where on her body was the strangest place. they made. Whoopi she isn't that a classic was one of the all time greats bloopers and win bob mec says at his beverly blatant said well in the like man game show host have to go through a lot all right and you guys learned something new today about did strangest place you've ever had sex. Aaron wilson joins us. Jacob is here along with mc on friday and this is not the strangest place. We talked about radio. This is the place we'd like to talk about radio. We have rusty harden not rusty hardin. We heard about rusty hearts press conference two days ago. charles adams. Who's i don't know if you've met him. He's a lawyer here fi in lawyer. He's been he's an ex cop judge he works here For kp does night show the truth from ten to twelve brilliant guy. Practicing lawyer does tv at fox twenty six. well he's like the local michael strand. Does everything right brilliant guy. Well we had him on yesterday. Talking about the legal stuff out of the rusty hard stuff here and welcome in. Thank you i know you were. You have so much stuff that you've probably didn't hear what he had to say yesterday. And we were talking about the shawn watson. Let's go back. I so aaron can react off this as well back to the original one about charles and thinking that watts is not gonna play the the one we played originally. Listen and tell me what you think about this okay from. Somebody does investigate a sexual assault claims for somebody who's seen it from a variety of angles whether it's a police officer a lawyer or a judge. It's i believe these women. And i don't believe in the concept of believe all women i think you need to take a critical eye to to all allegations. It doesn't matter what gender it is. You know everyone wants. You know not everyone but every type of person is capable of lying and but when you look at this it looks like he is. I'm sorry it looks like he's a predator and he i personally i don't think he has any business on the houston texans. I don't think he has any business in the nfl. And i think he really made it a strategic mistake. And i don't know if it was born by attorneys hubris or his just refusal to pay but it sounds like he should have paid very early and kept us very quiet in got nondisclosure agreement. I do think this will be the end of his career. Strong words strong and a lawyer and he's not a hot take guy now. He's a lawyer and we were talking about this. I said at the beginning of you. And i talked about this with them. Aaron at the beginning before we knew anything about it was just the start of the legal stuff right last spring when we started to hear when to say didn't wanna play here and then all the month later were getting this stuff and the civil that i didn't think would ever end up. Not because he didn't do it or did do it. I just didn't think would ever end up in a in a criminal law. And i don't know if it will still but if it does and i'm assuming charles this saying that is a lawyer meaning if it's headed there. I still contend. He's gonna play again. I do and i don't know how many of these allegations are gonna be criminal or not or civil if it's civil. It's no brainer. He's playing again. I don't think he's playing this year. And i think there's danger that he's not gonna play some next year depending on how long this takes not guilt but how long listened to what charles adams said any chance that that could be a possibility about not playing a career ender no. I don't anticipate that. Barring some sort of felony charge that he loses in court and obviously that would cause an incarceration when you talk about felonies. If it's a misdemeanor absolutely not. And if he's never charged obviously he'll play again maybe he won't even be suspended. He could get counseling saying that he thinks you know i. I believe he's hinting at serious criminal. Charges generally to have felony charges though you need to have a lot of and especially to convict and what might understanding is there is no video audio evidence or physical evidence or adverse word. It's he is. He said she said it's a very serious matter. And we take it very seriously here and seven ninety. I would say that based on what's happening right now. It's continued sabre-rattling between rusty hardin. Tony busby as jostle position and quarter public opinion on the civil lawsuits which are nowhere on settlement talks and what i would anticipate because the grand jury. That has a ninety day window. And they've been impaneled. Subpoenas have gone out. that does not mean that. He's on the verge of indictment though right what it does mean though it is under consideration okay probably means the police are going to present an will have to make a decision to we. Present this to the grand jury and that decision still-pending right rusty heart had said he's cooperating with all of them oh he was praising everyone playing very nice with. Nfl investigator going to file with the fbi. A decision maker with the nfl she since the nfl she's the former manhattan sex crime prosecutor with the f. b. i. involvement. My understanding. A lot of that is from. The beginning of the case is not like active. Fbi at this moment it's houston police department jurisdiction it just. I don't think it ever rose to that level of this is a federal case. We've got to do all this interstate stuff. This is a big deal. It's still houston police department. Charlie charles that said that yesterday about the jurisdiction. Yeah it's their. It's their case and the investigative unit the human trafficking. That's normal because it wouldn't be the vice squad. We're not talking about a you know prostitution case we're talking about human trafficking and word they're gonna wind up using is forced prostitution when they you know someone it's supposed to be something else and then you introduce the concept of paper sacks so those are the allegations will be made and in the meantime he's back on the field but he's running and they're still in this weird limbo very awkward holding pattern between the texans and shawn watson and no trade talks are advancing because the other teams won't offer full value. Why would they given the legal situation so where they are. It's very similar to what we were probably sitting here a month ago other than he reported for training camp and he's you know complying with everything not be fined fifty thousand a day and the other teams below ball as conditional picks. What if he's not available. What i do agree with with charles adams is. I don't think he plays this year. I think he's going to be on their fifty three man roster as an inactive player on game days receiving his full check the ten point five four million. And it's the best they can hope for. You think the whole different wasn't yeah. And then we all wait this ninety day window and it's not like they're going to sanada press release. Eight grand jury did not indict. It's going to be like no leaked or something. Like hey it's over and i even think then they'll be afraid probably if if he does if he avoids indictment. I don't think there's any like a press release from hardin media leg. Hey he skated. They can bring it up again. They could try different cases. It's going to be this thing where you started hanging over your head. It's not necessarily over our. It's a tough deal for for everyone involved. Because the texans from their standpoint they had to stay out of it because the legal realm is legal round as the teams they can monitor all they want. They can have their football people call. They can send as they have some teams of sent private investigators and security directors down here to dove into it because they want to know. Everyone wants clarity but there is no clarity. And that's the biggest thing you just don't know. Is he going to be charged. If he was not charged. I would present that the civil cases that a lot of the nfl and the teams would probably engage in a normal manner. And say you know what it's bad. Pr it's very bad. It's a very serious allegation will have to deal with all of that but let's talk business nicosia and see what we can do as far as working out a potential trade but yeah i think no one's going to trade for him right now. At how irresponsible would you look. If you're a general manager you go to your owner and say yeah. I want to give up next. Three first-round draft picks i don't know is the answer on indictment. So he could potentially imagine if he's not available because he has to go to court and houston but he's playing for. Let's say hypothetically the miami dolphins of the carolina panthers denver broncos or some other team yes to fly back. hey. I can't come to practice sorry guys Email me zoom link and. I'll get on the meeting. That is not good so football is gotta take a back seat because towards serious legal matter and these allegations you have to take them seriously. These women's allegations. I listened to rusty. Hardin zoom. I got off the practice field. I heard all nineteen minutes of it. I think he's a powerful advocate for sean at the same time though he acknowledged the very serious thing that the fbi was this and yes he read some text messages from one of the Complaints all that. That's great for him. But it's not a case where it's ending it's just more back and forth between harden and busby and i think he kind of felt like he had to reply with Busby introducing the f. b. i. thing in his interview with amy dash. So yeah that's that's where they are but it's not none of it's good right. It's all bad right. We'll we'll We'll come back and we'll listen to a charles. Adam said about how he is a lawyer would handle the deshaun watson case and also acknowledging that rusty hardin and tony busby are both damn good at their jobs. He had said that as well matter of fact he even went to say he thinks at rusty restaurants one of the best trial lawyers in a country. And that's been proven so we'll We'll we'll hear that and then we'll get into some football talk because we do have football and you think this team's got more wins in than four and a half correct idea. Okay i i know there's no such thing as a half but we're bagasse now. Gambling matters when it comes to this now because guess what the texans have a gambling partner. That's why it matters. Just because the texans i don't know if we can get four and a half games but a wonder do we lean on the over under mc. Thanks on the under. We don't know where jacob is. Aaron wilson will discuss next sports. Talk seven hundred. Listen to sean pulse. Hallsberg sean salisbury. Sports socks ninety. Your home fussers. Baseball up the wall. Jeff sportstalk seven ninety. Aaron wilson sports seven ninety dot com. Where you get all his stuff all our stuff. But it's tremendous coverage of that. Just the texans but the nfl always grateful to have him on back to our normal day with no practice as they get. Set to take on a cowboys in arlington. Correct is it here are right for preseason game number two errands here. One last thing about charles adams who did phenomenal job. Thank him for joining us yesterday. Lawyer you guys know who he is. Aaron getting a chance to hear him heard one. I want to play one more clip for you on. How charles would handle the shawn watson. Come out of it and then get into the football stuff you know brandon done now gone how he handled it and just where you are with this team watching them every day even though it's preseason and we'll go around the league to as we carry on here our number three let's here. Here's what charles adams said. I'd asked him about how he would handle. If he was the attorney for the shawn watson side of this what would he do. I would tell him to let me sit down with tony. Let me work this out and let me get it in an airtight nondisclosure. Their green not to involve themselves in any other media already. That you can't pay them. There's actually a crime you can't pay them to not participate with law enforcement right. I mean that's everybody says kobi paid off his accuser to get his charges dropped. That's actually legal. That's not what occurred but you can't pay them to silence them in the media and to try to put this. I would have done it very early on. I mean we all know the size of his contract on this could have been negotiated for a very very small Re resolution very very early on you know. Tony will always put his clients before the meeting that he's got enough media as as well rusty but i do think i would've said hey man let's just pay this and move on. Let's keep being the superstar shiny face that the media loves and that everybody loves 'cause that's been destroyed forever shot your opinion on. Should they have gone that route. They should've paid this. And that's the advice that i've heard from prominent people in the football industry including some guys that have represented players. That have been in serious trouble. Some things that have gone public. Some things have only been private and this does happen. Where without an admission of guilt people will pay off people that are com- potential litigants against them and in this case for app initially for thirty but eventually for one hundred thousand the first it actually sali's yeah they could have. That doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been more and that's the one thing i think they probably were considering. How many. but yes scott. Gaffey general counsel athletes. I had a back and forth with a attorney. That works for tony busby. As soon as they saw that it was busby. And if they'd google even how he handled the mario williams engagement ring thing when he represented mario's former fiance that got ugly. It got very public. And i think that's the guy you pay off. It's not a small time lawyer. It's a situation where you could've avoided a lot of reputational harm. That's not to say though that other attorneys might not have brought this case there were other lawyers at one point that were you know. Considering these cases they didn't want wanna bring lawsuits. Tony is the is the plane of slower for twenty two civil lawsuits and there was one other that dropped out and whether you could have reached some sort of blanket settlement and he could have asked for more. He could've kept going back to the well. Obviously i think that was so concerned for his representation at the same time to. It's a matter of how quickly does shawn in his private communications with his representatives. Tell hey i've got a serious situation here. I think that there's a lot of these. And you know there's some things you don't know about my titties thing and you just without disclosing any you know too much. That didn't happen. It's my understanding. And that's why they're in this position if didn't put it didn't get. They didn't close the door on the situation. If this they were doing a redo going back seven months six months would they do a different twenty twenty hindsight absolutely you settle the cases even if it would've wound up. Let's say this more reputation or money. Why they didn't. It's a great question. It's setting a bad precedent for being under this sort of attack and also potentially a leaking later even if you pay. And then it coming out that he's reached the settlements. You can try to buy silence. Settlements aren't in admission of guilt. No they're not but public perceptions. Mc and i will say in regarding charles adams and one of the reasons why they are not settling the cases especially for the money amount that twenty busby once it will look in public opinion and probably to the nfl like an admission if it's a smaller amount and he again. Everything's relatively so if it was between thirty and forty. Five thousand per plaintiff if all of them were a global settlement. That doesn't look like a lot of money especially if it's a public thing and there's no nda involved if you it comes out if you wanna paying one hundred k. Or more per plaintiff for a total of two point. Two million euro look like you did a lot of what's alleged regardless of whether you admitted in the settlement. That's what quarter public opinion is going to say. That's how the nfl is gonna perceive. It could be potentially facing a longer deal. Also i think as he said about. You can't really buy silence as far as when it comes to the police. The cooperation that you're gonna get from someone that's already taken money as somebody not to talk to the planet's let's just be logical about it once they do that. Yes they may have given a sworn affidavit before but are they gonna actively participate because they don't have to they could say you know what i dropping my complaint and i'm not gonna tell you why dropping it i just i'm done. They reserve that right. They move along and that's their right and they could do that regardless of whether they think that they might have a case. I can't judge that. I don't know but i think whatever everyone is. You got to respect their rights and his rights and that's why we have a legal system and it's not just the court of public opinion it's actual courts and where i think this goes he think about settlement stuff. Let's just say hypothetically what if he was to settle with eight of the ten that are filed complaints because two of them are non litigants. She would fire up the eastern police department and the prosecutor's office the idea that all of a sudden they basically in their view been bought out of the case the on the complaint side. Yeah i mean legally a quite a predicament for him. So the timing is everything. So i think that's one another reason why it just makes logical sense. That's why they're not settled. The time for settlement was a while ago. That was the time to last spring out of this case. So i mean what could it should it. You can't go back right. A lot of things have happened. A lot of people can't go back but where you can do. You can go forward. And it's a murky waters type situation or we don't know it's gonna happen. Okay with that teammates. Do they care. I mean i care about it. A friend i gave the planet timing. Do they deep down. They're worried about their jobs on us. How much word distraction. Because the players are worried about their job. Having to sean around. Maybe because you've got to answer questions about him. But i don't maybe i'm wrong. I don't think it's that much of a distraction the players. They're worried about their gig. But let me ask you. Where are they at with their. We talk about fans. We're the players out about caring about. This team was supportive of him in terms of carrying about him. And it's a person you know embracing him regardless of their thoughts on what may or may not have happened. They're treated like there. Is family a loyalty in a bond that will go beyond what most people society because that's locker room and you might. A guy might make a big mistake or you may not approve of him. But he's still your brother and he's still gonna love him as a brother. You're gonna treat him the same. You may have a major problem if you think about. You know what the allegations are. But at the same time the players don't know what happened either. It's not like anyone. Only people that know truthfully are deshaun and the and the women that accused him so yeah for player. And that's the code. You stay out of their business you stat of his money business. You stand up his legal business and what. He merciless captured. It pretty well. He said you know he's always gonna always love that guy and that's okay but that's compartmentalizing. You could have a problem with what someone did or allegedly what. They're alleged to have done and it doesn't mean that you don't care about them as a person they're just different things and that's hard for. Maybe some people will reconcile and they say well. How can you condone that. they're not. I'm not saying anyone condones anything. I'm not saying that. The texans do they've made statements disapprove of how you feel about. It doesn't mean you have to turn your back on a friend or private and public comments right different to right right and their own reactions from some players initially disbelief and like you know what the heck is going on here and now it's sort of like when's he gonna get traded. What's going on is he. You know in serious trouble and mostly like a concern for a guy that is on their team for the minute we break and we'll come back and talk football compartmentalize this part for me. Put the legal side for a second. How many of these players were disgruntled with him. Another fifty three new ones before the legal came out and said i won't player. It was that personal not against them. It was a frustration felt by players that it had gotten to this point that communication and broken down that it had gotten this bad that he felt that way. It did not get thought of as a wow. I'm offended you. Don't wanna play with me you know. I thought we were good. Take a person. now it's considered business and they regret it. They're just like this is unfortunate because we got the quarterback and now we get to play with them like sox yep that's how they feel good point comeback. Talk some football. Mc jacob myself in you got questioned for and let us know and let it rip seven one three two one two five seven ninety. Aaron wilson continues with us. Here on the sean salisbury. Shohei classic chevy sugarland classic chevy sugarland dot com. It's weekends common. You looking for a new rig. 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I don't think they're going to be particularly explosive. As far as you know having a lot of downfield passing place. But i think they'll be inefficient team. That does of course points if they get to be a better red zone team than we saw in green bay when they're lambofield. I think that they've got a shot. The defense looks more opportunistic. But of course everything is just preseason but we're seeing it in practice to the defense looks better. The four three seems to fit their personnel better. And they've got a deeper defensive line one of the reasons. They cut branded done brandon last night and he was surprised to get cut he was also someone was under a three year. Twelve million dollar contract and they've got some good young defensive lineman royal lopez got a sack against green bay. Jalil johnson a couple of fumble recovery. So there's some younger players. Vincent taylor they think can help them now and they are less expensive. So that's sort of a financial and a football decision that was made and he took it. Well he was classy about it. He said you know appreciate them. I'm moving forward and atlanta's oh he'll get a job absolutely with at. Mc we we. We're discussing it with ross blacklock when he can't talk about chemistry and how you know energy in the building all that. Was this a dig at anybody or more of a focus on this or was there. Is it a player or coach organization. Is there a was an undercurrent of a meaning to what he was saying. Or is this yeah. He was very stung personally by the. Jj watt said. His actions were stupid and selfish when he threw the punching. Check from the baltimore. Game and meeting blacklock got ejected and blacklock was bothered the. Jj i talked. I had a face to face with ross earlier in the off season when he was surprising. A fan with a couple of jerseys for mother's day and he went through a lot last year. The pressure in the top draft pick acknowledged a lot of overthinking putting pressure on himself trying to win the respect of older veterans and he grew up as a texan span. So i'm not saying that i wasn't there. I don't know how their interactions were. But it annoyed him frustrated him and i think in some ways kind of upset him saddened him. Because this is someone he'll lift up to and then to have someone that you can idolize and your teammates and then he's telling you hey you know what you did is wrong. And you lose respect for monitoring him. I couldn't own up awards. Word mouth about respect or lack of respect bothered him. Okay that's best. put it right. It bothered him in upset him and he didn't feel great last year. He didn't enjoy last season. It bothered him a lot and he also will point the finger at herself. Hey i wasn't in the shape that i'm in last. You know this year. That i was last year i was ten pounds heavier out of sluggish. I wasn't ready. And maybe he wasn't a great fit for the three four i think arguably so when he's talking about the vibe and the culture is better. He's talking about the coaching staff. He saying he wasn't coached as well. The guy is happier and what all the really matters is. How is he playing and we saw in the first preseason game what we saw on the practice field is translating into the game. He moves well. And he's getting across line of scrimmage versus him a little better. Yeah and he was getting blocked last year and i was like i thought you always give people a chance. It's just one year. But i thought well did they miss right and now answer is maybe not right. Maybe he's going to be a player. Ryan ably colonists has to be said getting your ass kicked and then come back and fight back. But she's got some fighting in fairness to jj like jj has been through everything and so for rookies. Not getting it done. He thought it was. You know who didn't who would say the. Jj watt doesn't have a right to call someone out. He's a three time. Nfl deacons player of the year your rookie. So there's two sides to that but ross's perspective yeah it bothered him but guess what it bothered. Jj for the guy to get thrown out. I should is a veteran opinion. I mean did he. You know all things being equal. Do you call him out as much as you do. You say something. But i think it did get a little probably could have done behind is like i said. Jj watt when. You've earned that respect from teammates. You could do here almost almost heaped upon you to be able to be a spokesperson yet. But i think most most players if you dress them down in private. They've been giving coach their whole life getting custody right in private. It's win. everybody knows it's the it's like. The quarterback will throw his arms in the air in front of god the world to see like you just ran the wrong route and i want everybody to know it. So it's not my fault biz embarrassed right exactly. That's what it comes down. Ross i think as a very very good guy. He's a little sensitive and athletes are a lot of people are. We can all be sensitive. Everybody can be bothered by slowing macho. But i think it's interesting is why the fun conversation for us. So we're talking about feelings. We're not just talking. About how many tackles did he have or is he going to defeat this block. What's his rip move like. Okay that's great human being. He's a person that exact and he's a local kid he's from elkins. He was a great high school football player. He was really good at. Tcu going back to arlington to play at. At and t. stadium. He's got a lot of sprints there. This is a homecoming for a lot of guys like charles and menus from rowlett his birthday today. Happy birthday charles is the day where yes means guys. It's a big deal for them to go up and play the dallas cowboys. Eighteenth cuts a lot of people with jobs on the line and things are no doubt this guy how how much we're expecting workload wise for starters and stuff in this game i. It could be as much as a quarter if not more. It's something where tyrod taylor. He needs more work. That for one series. I think that was not enough. It was great to see davis. Mills and davis had is up and down mostly. It's a little more down than up. That pick was bad but you know some encouraging moments but for the team they've got to get ready and that means more tyrod and i think you're gonna quite a long time. He needs me through four right. Complete la four of them but then they failed in the red zone. So i'm just talking last year he's nailed it and i think when you look at it davis could just play in the second. Half that might happen. I wouldn't be shocked if they go a little longer. And they're playing into the second quarter with the starters. Maybe not every single guy like some guys like nickens practicing but you can tell his calf thing still bothering him still tight and you're going to see a very similar offensive line configuration. I expected to be grown christian of course tonsils on the vid list after testing positive. I expect to see you know when you look at how they'll go does titus howard play. He's practiced this week. He's off the cova lists. He was a close contact. Is he playing left guard next to garon christian with justin brits center max scharping guard charlie harger right tackle. I believe so and heck has been a rather than when tunsil moves the left. What could happen though. There's a scenario if lane. Taylor has wanted james campaigns favorites if he can make it back from this. Acl needs to be soon. Could he be the right guard. Anti displays right tackle and left guard scharping. So they've got some flexibility they built in another guard. Could swing both ways. Sean complete both ways. I have a concern. You may have a good left side but scharping heck that worries me. Ab they'll heck has gotten a lot better. We still seen things. Like the scrimmage where jake martin beat him like a drum for a couple of sacks he looked better in the game. I think you have to be open minded to the idea that obviously the cane and i don't think marcus cannon heck son isn't it it is it is yeah yeah so he gets. Yeah and he's done worked really hard in the weight room. He looks like a different guy. That said i think you got to play your best five. And i still think titus howard is natural right. Tackle spot makes more sense. We'll see how they do it. That's where they drafted him to play. We'll see if he's better inside or outside and as we roll through camp and where the most comfortable. But i'm with you my five best after play so it is sportstalk seven nine. We'll continue on with aaron wilson next. Sean sows reshow into club. Friday jacobs here. Playing all the hits. Come back there's a lot happening. And he's got a lot to say about. Sean salisbury continues on seven nineteen sports. Talk seven ninety. Aaron wilson's here law with the group. Tyler is on his way to be heavy. Mfn t- to vegas should be there by now gambling. The next hopefully like the hangover kind of thing. Yeah you won't find him on the roof sunburn. He'd probably not the differences that we won't go look for him. What is leaving our jacob. This tagger la might take my favorites. We'd have to go. Look for tyler. That'd be interesting we'd go look for. We'd have leave. No man behind confirm nor did i if it takes me going to vegas. I'm never going to abandon the announced that van band of brothers steps. That's exactly right all right considering the quarterback situation in the division outside of tennessee. I don't see how the tennessee titans are. Not the i will make this public. I think they're the sneaky. Est non super bowl talk that we have. We're going to blink and they could have twelve wins as year and mike variable loves it. They fly under the radar. I mean when you go through and say this team this team this dan you know we also yeah. We left out tennessee. Now i know people in texans don't want to hear that i'm just telling you with the quarterback situation every single one of them influx or not with a superstar or that guy and to shawn's the best quarterback in this division. And it's not. There's no doubt. But i can make the argument when it comes to consistency and winning over the last two and a half years time tannehill has been the best best player and he's got the best running back in the nfl done. It's a big help. He's not the best but he's he's managed to fit perfectly into what they're doing what i'm saying. It's so hard to tackle. Henry and tannehill is an accurate thrower and he's a good mobile quarterback and he has leadership qualities. This has been such a great fresh start and change of scenery for him out of miami to be there in nashville with variable. I think they're not going to miss a beat. I think it's gonna keep going. Aj brown's only gonna get better. That guy's a really good wide receiver. Yes they'll miss. Johnny smith and the explosiveness of the session. You think about tennessee. They're building something really strong foundation and they do get overlooked because what most people think of the south division. They don't think very much of it and the titans. I'll say it go ahead and crown them. I think they're going to be the division champions. I can't argue that. I thought if whence came back confident good they got good roster to that position so important and now that the injuries aaron behind tamp i. I'm trying to figure out. Because i was my question about him was war was his head and then the injury rears its head and now it's not like where's this head that hopefully training camp was going to get it back and frank reich and all that but now he's behind that's now we've got to. We've got a guy who's confidence was shot. When he was in philadelphia at the end injuries have been have hovered. And now you've got him not playing and now you're still wondering okay what rhythms they get in win. Does he get in. Where's this willie. Be ready by game. One the tennessee titans of the clearly the best team in the division without the quarterback there in indianapolis the class of the division. And they don't have a lot of holes and as long as the defense holds up in its into the bargain. You're going to see the titans when a lot of football games. And i do have some questions about the colts because i'm not sure about carson wentz. I want him mentally is. He's shell shocked from what happened in philadelphia. And yes being reunited with. Frank reich is good for him good for his psyche. But i have some questions. I love some things they put together but they've had some injuries even when nelson i know him and carson are going to make it back from the foot injuries but we'll see how they are when they get back on the field. What do they look like then. Jacksonville has been a bad team. That's why they got the top overall pick and we're able to draft trevor lawrence trevor lawrence. He looked fine. I think he located his first preseason game. He's not as good as justin feels. Perhaps but less mistakes than fields to. He'll be all right. But you think about you know where are they. Are they better than the texans. I'm not sure that they are. I think that the texans and this isn't saying much are still better than the jaguars. So i think it said i think they split wins you think the jaguars have almost set the old. I think they ended up five or six. So then that would mean that. I just don't i think it's too bad. Teams top ten teams in the draft competing against each other. That my problem with the texans for this season again. It's nothing against them in the they might be more solid areas. Everything i look at the schedule and i go. Where do i find wins. The road games were brutal. Cleveland buffalo indie arizona. San francisco like tennessee tennessee. Then you've got road games against the home games against the chargers patriots. Obviously your division opponents. Who else am i missing in their seattle like. I just think that. I think their schedules insanely difficult. I think you're gonna win a game here there that we own expect. It's they'll split with jacksonville. Like yeah colts winces and their yen that yet. They'll beat one of the teams that are not supposed there's so many heavyweights ragged. Look at it. I'm like they're not bettered nas teams. They don't sweep the jaguars and beat. The patriots can be very long year. And it's going to be like you know where they are going to be at the wind projections people. Many people have them if they win those games and still one from the colts. Five six five six is the to me. Is the ceiling. I i'm betting the over a four and a half. I am and i think i am now. It may be just a half game over five wins but you still win the bet right. So i'm leaning towards that because the defense can't be worse. They seem to be more motivated. They just can't be worse. They've can't be the run where worry about. The defense is at corner bradley roby. Is he a true number one corner. He's their number one corner though terrance mitchell. I just don't know if they have enough it corner. And that's my concern vernon hargreaves. Who led the nfl and fantasy points allowed is gonna be out there outside corner against jacksonville. I get you through the jacksonville. Then you get roby back from the one game that's left on his six game suspension. And then you kind of see. How does the defense look altogether if they're getting a lot of pressure without blitzing if this defensive line is good for us with four if levy can get that done then yeah that'll help the back end there even in. Let's say they find one of fifteen thirst sixteenth in total defense this year after being thirty more than four games the eh but lovey is a big factor that rookie defense quarter last year. Love anthony weaver great guy but he was learning on the job last year. How to be a defense quarter. Never did it before that wound up being great decision and they didn't have enough guys now. Linebacker looks a lot better. Especially off the ball with christian kirksey zach cunningham and kevin pierre louis. Those three guys all capable of making a lot of tackles off fast. Fast linebacking corps. They got they're going to have to upset somebody they're not supposed to beat but they'll protect the ball enough to be in games. I believe that now. Finally we got about two minutes before we pop outta in private. We always talk about teams. Don't take 'em c. You want that. I pick next year be sweet. You don't want to be stuck and if you're going to get that's the fan a d rather if you're gonna suck suck if i if i took nicosia aside in private with never gonna be. We're never going to talk about once. We leave that office. I said three windsor. Six wins all rather have this year. What would he say interesting. He would save wants to win. I think he'd take and picks pick seventh as opposed to three wins and pick. I have you had it before you know what i may have over the course of years ago. Just mainland right but i. I've never had a conversation serious since he's been here. We have an app competitive person that i do know. Losing is not part of his vocabulary. He does not good do things to lose at anything. I'm talking negotiations exercise. All the stuff is a serious guy. He is not here to lose their not tanking and what. I don't anticipate a lot of people speculate about this. That they just pull the plug on tyrod and let's just find out how davis is as a lark because we it's important if he's not ready to be out there he won't be out there patriot way. Well yeah that's that's what. He's all about bella checking as we go with this. So but i with you on the other side if i pulled fans and put a poll question up overwhelming three wins or six the fans would take three of course because they went right you quarterbacks. Meaning if sean tonight here since quarterbacks in this draft there's a special corner at lsu stanley tremendous edge rusher. Yes oregon oh man. There's some good football player. Sure if you're not drafting in the top five or six picks you're not getting the same player nope there's there's there's some big haves and have nots in this coming draft. Yeah great stuff man next week with his schedule next week saturday. The buccaneers saucy next friday. Friday time same place. Same channel here love having sportstalk seven ninety. Catch errands work. All over sports seventy dot com phenomenal and grateful to have him on our team. Come back nine o'clock hour. We got some college football talk. Is there going to be a battle rage now with other conferences. Kind of getting together. We'll discuss college football's around the corner and we are jacked for it. Oh yeah astros win a game. Nice sportstalk seven ninety.

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Classic Album Clash - Van Halen "1984" vs "5150" with Steel Panther

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Classic Album Clash - Van Halen "1984" vs "5150" with Steel Panther

"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Tall recall. Ricco. All right. Welcome to jock Jarrett goes to pot of thundered rock and roll, and it's backed by popular demand, the classic album clash and this time it's all about van Halen. I got still had their singer Michael star and gets our players satchel along with Bazi guitar player, rich ward here to break down a debate, the merits of nineteen Eighty-four versus fifty. One fifty David Lee Roth final record versus Sammy Hagar's. I recognize tar souls versus keyboards producer, Ted Tambo men versus Mick Jones of foreigner. And of course they do the song by song debate with the final vote at the end, you can way into hit us up on the Twitter at talk Jericho. Let us know what songs you like which album is your favorite Seaview agree or disagree with me, rich satchel and Michael star. And of course they'll get so much more than just are take on van Halen, your stories about how l. I got introduced vandalised music. 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So come check it out as we wind down the juice rising to us been going from us nineteen months at that point in time, Fayza rock dot com for all ticket information, including all the information, how you can come hang with us, get a private concert before the show. Hang out with us, meet us, take pictures. I'll sign whatever you want. Go to fuzzy rock dot com and check all the information. It's already sold out in Sydney and Melbourne for the VIP's. But if you're in Brisbane, Adelaide Auckland or all the Canadian dates, we still have plenty of spaces available for the VIP being greet fuzzy rock dot com. So go check it out. We know how to rock and roll and van Halen knows how to rock and roll. We're getting ready to do. Right now the classic album clash nineteen Eighty-four versus fifty one fifty and we start now. I'm still making rich and he did the same thing for the Ozzy classic of class. You're very studious guy when it comes to these. I think that that of the nerd factor needs to be high with at least one individual now view. I think Michael has satchels Mike. Well, you know, what is his mind going? Yeah, we start. This isn't we already? We don't have big interests here. We can't afford them. Posted, we can post what's your co show? Gosh, I'm autism stuff. And with this, we're in the middle of great to urge, you know, yesterday was the middle show or is it really? So now we got run the last half of the tour. Wasn't that amazing. It was great show yesterday. I feel like yesterday show was kind of a climax. What do we play mantra? No Munich munitions. Great mantras degrade tower after the show. Who tell you man? Really? Yeah, you do. It was killer big party after the show big party catering. The one show that I didn't stick around for weird. You weren't there. I was wondering is kind of weird because it was three hanging out with those Motors hanging out, you know, lots of promoters. Yeah, really cute guys. Their super hot dudes. We were. This is actually it's half Ozzy have still panther. We could form a supergroup guitar players, two singers. The definition of. Grab diso rhythm guitar real quick on this. We went to a German fancy pants German restaurant with the famous German promoter Ozzy hope up up, and it was great, great guy, and you know the coolest thing about going with promoter, they're required to pay for everything. Exactly. It's the only time where you get some of your money back. That's right. If it's the record company, you know you're paying your paying for this the promoter, like at least you know, because he's he's ripping us off anyways. So at least you get some of it back, but he's a super sweet do great time. It was breaks bread with the ban be with you, missed you, man, great. Having dinner, the guys, I wish you wouldn't have were like this tight little short. She wore there didn't know what to wear for gym. I thought leader hosing was was proper that with those were well. Yeah, Jeremy, right. And they may eighteen pink leader, a big leather leader, those shorts. Yeah. Yeah, somebody gave me a per shores like that really black leather black leather leader, and there's there's still pather song in there's somewhere to speed up pink leather leader. It really is. Reminds me of David Lee Roth back in when he comes out. And did you see that one video when it comes out in the leader Holden from here, or is it is that when he's he's bar holding a leader of like buff hosing. Okay. It's the classic van Halen from late nineteen seventy. I was walking down the street. I think it might be in the hall under something. He's like, excuse me, sir. You aware of the American rock band, van Halen, because occupants trying to Stein's Jane. No idea what he's talking about, but we're, we're talking about today as great segue here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Van Halen and the classic album clash, which we had a couple ideas for and we settled on nine hundred eighty four versus fifty. One fifty the last David Lee Roth record, and the first Sammy Hager records. So numbered records to which is ironic because access transposed both records have numbers in their title ES right. And if you add those two numbers up, do you know what number you get six six. The number of the beast is weird. That's really crazy. And everybody that makes we never really thought van Halen was into that sort of thing, but they might have been the worst out of all them because van Halen Dutch means devil driver. Yeah, you didn't know. Yeah, you didn't know fun devil and Halen being meaning future quenches transition. But it's interesting to you because I guarantee at least one of us here has a password on our phone or about this one credit card. I've changed my passwords to nineteen fifty one. Not my birthday. No dude. I change it. I'm not gonna tell you what it is. Isn't that that is? I'll tell you what well, that's still on my favorite moments in by podcasts history. When we were doing one with with steel panther, I had to check the time on my phone. So I've had to put my password and Ralph goes, what's your? What's your password? I see goes a bet you can guess it. And I said, well, bet you can guess yours because there's only two passwords in Iraq or has fifty twenty one twenty twenty one twenty years is fifty. One fifty fifty anymore. Right. Opened my thumbprint. Okay. Okay, so you can't get tattooed fifty fifty on. But I did did change my password to nineteen eighty nine eighty four. Nine hundred eighty nine. Eighty nine. That record, that's the year when everything was at its height for heavy metal. It's the best time nineteen Eighty-nine interesting. Nobody saw coming. Wow. Later was done John. That's the year ahead, my my penis reduction surgery as well. So it's kind of a cool, thanks for years to mind. I'm Rashid. Richest didn't take that had four donors. His body keeps rejecting the pianist. Yeah, Jackson is, yeah. Percentages are high. Never quit. Right. Never quit. Let's talk a little bit about our love for van Halen. You guys are fan hill and disciples on the Panthers side of things. I would. I would assume when did you start listening to van Halen you? I bet members of van Halen, etc. I'll go forward. You tell you want me to tell. Yeah, you go, I if accidentally call satchel Ross's because it's my pet named forum in fact. So they call Michael Ralph, it's because my other three. Ralph, it's because I'm confused. I sometime and if this is all talk and vice sometimes called Michael bitch, it's working relationship. That way. It's okay. Ross. Ross, listen bitch, what, what you call? Here's an example. He was just using it as an example. Van Halen warrant. But the first thing I heard from van Halen was the rupture, and actually that's the way it should be our player. And I was like, where did you hear that? I heard swimming pool. It sounds weird in the pool, the water number two years. Like it was at the swimming pool, and I was, I actually had a strangely enough. I had a Speedo on looked very much like your leader hose than the other night. Nice. And I was just cruising around showing the ladies my John your eight year old junk. It was thirty two at the time. But yeah, I remember hearing it and just being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on there? And you know that was it. Well, let's talk about this for a second because you think about nine hundred eighty four. Sorry about your option. And now it's it's, you know the greatest guitar solo ever. But when you first heard this, if you were of age hearing it in nineteen seventy eight. No one had ever heard anything like that before on guitar. Correct. Drives pretty. Did you even think it was guitar. But what he was tightening know what he was doing. I didn't even play guitar at that point, but but but he but it was really fast and really awesome sounding, you know. And it was probably I mean, stuff that had been done before, but he popularized it. That's what it was. The two hundred happening. There was guys like Robert Frith doing that, and but nobody knows who rob. No man. From finger, tapping your Eddie. Nobody has ever said, oh my God, I sucked. Robert. Fritz stick lot. Not even that. Yeah, I hate the first time I heard Vanhanen was eruption as well how my brother turned me onto it. Yes, always the way and I dunno, you turned me onto a book called running with the devil by there was an eruption too. I thought there was just a rupture in one. There's one end to one. One is who you heard to didn't make the cut. They did Spanish fly instead, but some are out there. It's actually Michael Anthony played it. Oh, yeah. My brother had a promotional pressing of that record of it had run with the devil on it, and you really got me and Jamie's cryan. Gotcha. And it was a color red? Oh, flounder how he got. I think he he was dealing coke tie. Right, right. And. Yeah, so he got it. And this is supposed to be like the biggest van band supposed to be a really big man, cocaine, being done in the music industry back then seventy s sure. Yes, I actually did cocaine while listening that was a sarcasm. Plumbing explain and it was yeah, right. If you start Vancouver event or on his guitar, solo star, van Halen off van Halen record, dude, that's if you start cooking up the van Halen records. Much more rock and roll than the phaser on that on her solo. When we got you know he said that phaser to to kill. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Stunt, don't want us to phaser like that guys. Remember that rich on same eruption. You know, the crazy thing is is that song was on the radio people. Never believe that. But lately. Oh, yeah. Eruption was on American radio's ill is like the only time in history where there was a standalone guitar solo, you know, just spun at, you know, four o'clock in the afternoon, but he would always say into you really got me to have one. Living loving maid and. You can't live the needle before we are the champions, right? Right journey has the same same pair of two. That's true. Just to say in some way. Feeling. Anytime you to feeling that way? For me, I growing up in Winnipeg. He was a huge Ozzy city in a huge van Halen city. How just drew up in hearing about van Halen, but not really knowing into their music. And one day I was walking home from school, and I found a guitar pick on the street and it said v. h. Michael Anthony and I didn't know who it was. So I took it to my guitar teacher who was working at Kent's music. He ended up being Brad Roberts from the Crash Test Dummies really remember that was just talking about those guys. Yeah, he used to teach on that showed on the picket said, who is this? He goes, oh, that's the bass player from van Halen. So somebody had got it at the show or something drop to drop to the street. So I always had this, Michael, Anthony, van Halen, BIC law, and that's when I finally started listening to van Halen. I think when the s. festival came out on TV that was the first time I heard some van Halen and it's it's happy trails though. They didn't show issue three songs on with the devil. You really got me in a happy trails. I was at that concert. Yeah. Shut up. Yep. Do you what do you remember about that? Oh, my God. I remember getting drunk. I remember I didn't get, you know what I was with my brother time so he was carrying him around. He was hammered. And he just chaperone me because I bought some tickets I saw quite right. Yeah, so motley. Yeah, quite Raleigh. Was I in while he was first inquiry was second, and then it was Ozzie Ozzie was on the Bill, but they might not have the next. I think it was triumph throws Ozzy, then try junior. Scorpions, band. I didn't make it through the whole van Halen set, but it was it was killer. Did you remember like, why didn't you make you had to go home? I was just tired all even when I even at being a teenager white me out because all day in the sun, we watched those videos though the scorpions killed van Halen, the sun went down and here. Yeah, yeah, they were hammered. They were hammered. I remember walking into Chris walking in and I look and I see motley out stage and I thought these guys look really cool, and that was the skinniest vincit ever been. I didn't. That might have been before the first records you like they were really a baby Ben? Yeah, they're kind of on the Bill. That was the the just a motley record the live wire on, and yeah, to festival of. Yeah, right. So van Halen gets used over the years. We all become huge van Halen fans. I never saw Vanhanen with David Lee Roth, which sucks for me. I'm going to tell you though, when you first asked me to do this. Yeah, I have some reservations about it because I hate Sammy, Hagar. Hey, right. And I'm going to be straight with you right when he first joined van Halen, I was fad, right? Matt, Matt. Yeah, though. Like this, right. I want Bette midler singing for van Halen. I swear to God, do really I can't drive fifty five. That guy has no also cool at all. Bombed, dude. I mean, it's coming off nineteen Eighty-four were David Lee Roth. Eddie van Halen meet their, they're at their peak of their songwriting, felt that way. Fucking they broke up. I was so sad, but now in retrospect, thirty years later, I can appreciate your. Dave's an asshole semi. Wow. Should we ten years to get into fifty one fifty? I got into it in nineteen. Ninety five. Yeah, because I would not listen to it in eighty five because I was a big Roth guy as well. And the first song, the radio that came out was why can't this be love and you gotta be kidding me. Now it's a pretty good song, but at the time that's the best you got, and then Roth comes out with like Yankee rose, and I was like, that would have been another good one thing. RAF is going to rule it. And then of course, we know what happened is what happened. But at the beginning, I think Dave one that I battle, I wouldn't you guys like us. He won the first battle. It was like, oh, shit, Yankee rose. Billy sheen by, right. Oh my God and van halen's like on winter. What what. Girl in the world was like, oh my God. Number one, it was their first album that everyone to number one. Did you know that rich didn't know that. Okay. So for me, I had already abandoned van Halen because when I heard jump, I was like, I'm out. I'm out like I already was. I was priest in Medan. I already said, I'm done with this like so my third one year old self had already transitioned over to medal. I was already listening to whatever the newest kind of heavy stuff I was into, except I still love scorpions, scorpions were able to still bound across the heavy riffs with like really cool melodic stuff because I also loved whitesnake. I like melodic. I also kind of was more into kind of blues Iraq singers, like because I love DO anytime those kind of guys had that whiskey kind of thing. Voice that had that smoky kind of quality. So neither one of those bother me, I loved eat him and smile. But I will say this in defensive fifty one fifty. I hear songs on that record today. And I, yes, what great songs I listened to eat him and smile and sounds like music for teenagers. It seems like in other words, I to me, doesn't hold up. He does his guitar record the same way out can listen to flexible and go, yes, but it's. Guitar records ruse written for for tonight. Yeah, I I think, like you said the time Roth came out of the gates like pretty frigging crazy, but everyone was talking with van Halen, fifty one fifty and I was not one of them because like when nineteen Eighty-four came on it, I jump. I thought it was Pete Townsend because he was doing rough boys and like he had a little bit of a solo thing going on at the time. And for some reason I just thought, oh, that sounds like Pete Townsend. Like I didn't even think it's not. That's not van Halen, like I couldn't believe it, but then of course it just becomes part of your vernacular and they followed up with Panama and hot for teacher than it was bad hail. How do you square way though? Jump an hour, wait being still in your mind, van Halen, and then saying, why can't this be love not well. Now I like like Ross said, I get it now. Right eighty five to ninety five. I wanted nothing to do with it. I didn't like, oh, you went to like pound cake. I thought that was the first real Sammy van Halen tune. And meanwhile, you go back and listen to fifty one fifty and they're jam packed full of them, but at didn't give it a shot. So I just was being very, you know, teeter a kid, you know, plus, you know, it was coming off that break-up and a lot of us were like, you know what I mean that that affected everybody like what the right felt betrayed the that could even happen. And it's interesting too, that was a crack of of the armor, heavy metal, armor that let babies start playing grunge music. You don't know that, but it starts very early on before you can see a comment. Here's a break in the summer. Known that you grow up to play grunge music plan. It's the crack in the armor man. And once that wall deteriorates, then you end up with stone temple pilots. God. Stone temple sour. I will tell you this too. I think you actually have a point there in your in your joke. There's a kernel of wisdom which is still Panthers entire raise on death or look that one in Luxembourg. We compete. We're in Luxembourg, by the way, beautiful in Russia uses as an example of like a really like like Timbuktu or Luxembourger gypsy New York or Tilburg Tilburg. That's another one or out. No Encino. Encino, man. But if van Halen had continued on as being van Halen, yeah, van Halen that we know in love, partying having a great time. Maybe grunge never would have happened, but when they went down, that's what was so depressed that van Halen actually broke up. That's what like I said. I don't shit. It's a chip in the armor motley getting into fight or now and a break up, right? And then you get comes rose coming out Metallica. Yup, you know what? You know what, if what would have happened? If they didn't invent the internal combustion engine guys, would we still be around? Somebody would have admitted at some point. At some point, the heavy metal was going to end up with, you know, heavy metal ballads taking over the radio, just everybody was bound to go. There. And then everybody said this, you guys stripped just showing up eighty nine ninety and then you're all out of a gig. Do think about grunge grunge music is really just not all with no, sir. With no, here's pay well, and that's according to because we're, you'd never sought his grunge. We just saw it as black Sabbath. Seventh sound Gordon is Sabbath is. Let's get into the songs on nights eighty four and five hundred fifty before the battle begins. I just want everyone to know the both rich war tonight are ready for this classic album clash. We did our DP. Oh, today, that's why rich does it every day usually outside in the sun next to the bus, we both have the DP yoga now app on our phones which makes it super easy to do DP y on the road and it can be that easy for all you. Sexy beast talks Jericho listeners as well. 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He's jumping backwards and Eddie cancer smiling. I think he's pretty loaded. He's highest. He's awesome. Would you think that video rich jump came out already checked out? You didn't like it? Well, I didn't really like, like I said, I mean, I'm a big fan of like my favorite van Halen record is still is still, you know, let me guess. Let me guess. Women and children. I fair warning. Oh my God amazing which as we learned in the know monk book was tanking when it first came out and they had to stay as a gold level ban. So van Halen management, but two hundred thousand copies of that record. I wish we could do that. I want to. Copies of your record. I loved it that much money register. To their management bought all those records with what money, I guess with van Halen money. Oh wow, them at gloss best evil money every songs, a hundred grand that kept him at that level so that promoters would see they're still gold and keep them at the arena level. And it's time if you stop being a gold level band, it would hurt your perception. Exactly. And as we know as we know you guys perceptions rowdy. That's why we buy hookers forever show how crazy teenagers that we, we put up like walls of what we were willing to accept as music. Right. Like you were saying, it's like at some point you would accept Durant Iran, because look at all the girls. It's like you had they were rules for acceptance for certain things. And yeah, Stewart of going to van Halen show because it was at he Dave. It was the guys and they were going to be girls at the shows. But for me, I was I was starting to transition if you know what I'm saying. Transitioning like our bass player. Oh, Joe, he came out. I was not. I was like what the I was out. Like I said, I was screaming for vengeance. Defenders when I saw the scorpions was when my first gigs love it. First thing tour the opening band, hated the name of the band and the singer, all these scarfs on the microphone and I thought it was terrible. I thought it was rotten never wanted to see that band. Again, they're called Bon Jovi they're terrible, but maybe they were great. I just didn't wanna see it right. I didn't care with the scarf limit. Exact right fifty. One fifty March twenty. Fourth nineteen eighty six and one year one year and three months later while that's pretty crazy. Actually one year yen, two and a half months later we think of all the stuff that happened from January of ninety four. This came out March eighty. Five. That's crazy to do that a whole tour two years. Not one year two years. No, it's not do January. Fourth eighty four four to March twenty fourth or sorry. It's just simple addition. Six. We're gonna do it in two years. That's crazy. Let me get my calculator. Post. Oh, three weeks guys. Three weeks, you and a half days ago. New singer did a whole tour of, but that one went to number one. That was the first album go to number one and van nights for went to number two. So well, you know, the reason that fifty one fifty went number one is because van Halen nineteen Eighty-four went number two. So that was that was like, yeah, but there was a lot of steam, oh, peop- you thought Sammy Hager was was a nerdy guy. A lot of people are doing short hair man when he wore a suit coat and hopped around and jump like he was, hey, first time in a rock band. You don't have to tell me to wear yellow, banana jumpsuit, and talk about driving fast. Well, I'll tell you one thing though. Watch that video though. Great. Especially when it's pretty, it's a funny ain't no Panama but hill and was never a great stage where guy, van Halen, stage, dressed him ever good, Dave dressed everybody, really? Yes. So he just everyone not cool. Dude, he look it all their outfits during the time from eighty two to about nineteen Eighty-four maybe eighty one. Mike, starting in Asia. I man, he's got him dressed up. Man. They had no do the same thing. Dude, you can't wear that Hankyu. He tells me you can't sing out of key. You know, that kind of thing. This agree, we agree it. You can sing out of key and make millions of dollars. You're right. I mean, that's been proven over and over again, xactly tracks key. What we found. They were the only thing then key. Thinking about guitars a little bit. Yeah, figure just slightly be flat and all your killer sharp. Floor. Same lineup of both of than the, of course, the lead singer equation. Eddie, Alex, Michael, Anthony. And Dave, of course, on nine thousand four and say, Hager, I'm fifty one and fifty. So for the battle, this is it the track by track back on track the head hand? Usually we don't clueless rentals, but we have to have nine versus nine. So it starts off with nineteen Eighty-four instrumental versus good enough. No, no comparison. Good enough to killer. It is a great van Halen on the solo is so out of this world. Great. Like Hello baby, like that's a cool Roth. That's cool it to me that song was the new venue. Yes. And there was also a nice foot in the old van Halen where you could hear Roth singing that song, and it could be one of the only ones maybe best of both worlds and maybe summer nights that I could hear Roth seeing either one, but that's about it. Let's not jump ahead of ourselves with a try. You're saying good enough. I could hear David Lee Roth say, oh, babe. Yeah. Something that they probably had like on. They just didn't use. Let's from Bopper. That's big bop. One of the guys that died in the buddy Holly plane crash. She had a song called chantilly lace ago halo Berber that whole track was all the hell. No hell of everything standard. Okay. Rich professor ward. Well, I thought it was interesting that they opened the album with Sammy's voice. The new dude in town kind of and suck our Dicks. I mean, it was basically then course Eddie's horsey guitar lick, and then thought it was interesting that the bridge breakdown was very reminiscent of the Dave kind of breakdown where you're talking a little bit. All four, what? Yes, a formula. Maybe they were thinking when they're looking looking back at all the tracks for the record. What's the lead off track? That feels like van Halen, so that because we know we've got, why can't this below? We know we've got some of these other jams. Let's let's make sure we open the album with something that feels familiar and they won't throw the record away. Correct? Yeah. It's the Paul McCartney theory of if you're going to play a new song, always give people a spoonful of sugar after the play classic. So the given you the spoonful of sugar right off the bat, listen, we know you might have love David Lee Roth. We do too, but here's our offering of the transition the song. Yeah, right. Those pretty smart, smart and Sammy crazy Roger Daltry scream at the very end which is, you know, just to try to, I think there was like again, there was some boxes. It needed to be ticked it was smart, right? Yeah. Agree. And also something that we discussed last night album produced. By Mick Jones foreigner. So that's another good point to point out. Yes. The last one was eighty. Four was Ted temple men as and then this said they moved onto Jones. Yes, and some things that I noticed too bold move variable and I can't believe jobs let those Jones go by well, and that's the one thing. Two things I noticed production-wise that were pretty blaring and that was the guitar. Tone was way darker more saturated. The old on fifty. Yes. The old turn the plex up to ten was now modified was it's not either something was in front of the the chorus. There was definitely some more is more gain saturation. And then of course, the Simmons drums you know do. And then of course we still had the snare drum that sounds like, yeah, we still have the classic snare, but everything else, the drums really changed, isn't it amazing how Alexander hands? One of the few drummers that when you hear his drumming, you know it's him. He's got that sound Jerome. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's funny to the drums. It did change a lot, but but it's still like the songs are are really good. So doesn't seem to matter. He sounds like it's weird how their sound would change from album and still still still unique in. That's interesting. We always talk about like David Bowie or, you know, z. top rush change. There's some advantage did that on it and to help them out y'all basis right now. I just wanna see nineteen eighty four thought. It's interesting to the open the album fat. Because conversely, if you're a huge van Halen fan at that time frame, you'd be like, what the hell is this? It's a instrumental but on keyboards to show that listen, we're going little bit different direction. Thought it was interesting way to kick off the record novice. He doesn't stand up to two good enough, but still very cool idea in concept. Now, did you hate that? Ralph? I, yeah. Kind of like something that I couldn't like pass yet. You wanted van just wanted to be able to click forward and just get into was jump jump. Yeah. Well, let's go into that was like the intro to to to Bob rules, ironically called fifty one fifty s which was great, but it wasn't the first song on the album. You know, you could have one of those kind of moments, but it seemed odd to put the keyboard like intro up front. It's something you say for the live show. I'm Dave did not want keyboards and bad at all. Is that true? From what I've read? I don't day then. I think so. I think Eddie like normal guitar players do singers was just really trying to go look, dude. This is the way it's going. I read the songs that make the whole world you're singing what else happened those that was Eddie was not happy with diver down with all the covers on it. And who did that Roth and that was her best record. So anyways. Before that is fair warning warning. Yeah, did not have hits. That's right. So Ross, do he said we're previous less to another king song? Yeah, because it was my king song. I write what would happen. You know, it's just, you know, when you stop collaborating with your partner, that's when shits goes. Hold on a second anywhere else. Go on back to the about. You can't even build up what I'm saying. So is the key to songwriter. Anyway, agreeing with each other is totally the way. Would you boss quit moving where we going? We're just driving back and forth. He's taken his chest. He knows we're doing some audio up here, trying to screw that as much as possible. Cool jump against jump against. Why can't this be love? Oh. Oh my God. Why can't this be? I would say that van Halen jumped from me wins this battle only because it's van Halen with David Lee Roth, and it's the first time doing a keyboard song that is clearly keyboards on credible rock and the cradle rock was keyboards. It was through Leslie, distorted bitch, and that's something that into that because. Pointed by spring that up is that it was synthesizers straight out in front of your face and ban hill hit. Never done something like that unless I'm missing something, but. And it was a killer video at the, you know, the promotional roll out for that song was it was killer caught me right away. Jump on this. You know, it's it was pretty bold move. And I mean, it's great song, and in the hook keyboard. Still the play it on my touchtone phone, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, it's like five, nine wiring. You. The same phone number is jumping. Also John solo of the third kind. Hundreds of the third kind. Board solo into the guitar solos. Awesome. Is such a greatly once again, here's the spoonful of sugar. Yeah, thanks for listening to my keyboard song. Now, here's within four bar, soul or four. Yeah. Guitar solo. I into the keyboard. All right. But it's pretty bitch rate solo, but one thing about why can't this be love that that synchronize track thing is going to do after wiles. Like I just I can't stop hearing that in a good way or bad way known a bad well, okay. But I think Sammy sees a killer is a great, great, great soul on it to the hooky selling. It's a little happy. Yeah, it's still not Chris. Kick him play that well, but that's a good thing though. Is it? I think so. I. Five play that way harder than you think. I can't sleep, Brad dude because it's easy. Nobody likes her. As they plan smoke in the water with your mouth. Different jump is like difficult. Dude, I watched Sassa try and do the solo jump miserably MRs. No, it sounds easy. SOLAS, really, it's jump jump. Yeah, written every one of his solos, in my opinion. In your opinion. White songs for his soles, right souls or songs. And that's, you know, that's the secret of the secret of reality way of. Aw, coffee spill party foul on your own bust rich. Give some insight here. Okay, I love jump. I just wish another band had written it. Interesting because it it has kind of some new wave qualities to it. Like of the of the time which I really digs. I love the cars like a loved one in love that era. I'm gonna go with jump over. Why can't this? Okay. Just because I think it's probably wanna. I mean, you know, when the might of van Halen signature saw, do will every sports arena mersal break. I mean, it was the theme with one big jets for ten years. I mean, it is a part of our pop lexicon. It'll be loved the Super Bowl. The chorus is like if you compare the courses, why can't this be love is is hooking records. I actually going to break it down as a song. I can't this be love God, man. Those the verse melodies are mazing a and something we didn't mention. They frigging Hagar, a fricken vocal. So laughter. Eddie point kind of. Kind of dead and debt, and debt. Sammy. Again, a five year old can sing that single talented, five put them in. You should put them in to jazz. The mic. I love rouses anger towards Sammy van. I love San Mateo. He's a great guy. We hang out a lot. I just, you know, I tell them straight up, dude, vocal solos are not cool. We do. We're going to dinner. It's really cool. Well, he can't. His wife doesn't let me pay. One of his personal assistance. Right. I wonder if I got through probably not. Leave this. For consideration. You name your band. Van Halen were known for having the greatest living guitar player, and you basically wait until two minutes and sixteen seconds into the song, even let him really play and to me like a wonder how that decision was made his idea. He wrote the song that's what I'm saying, but who allowed us. We always talk about man's who need a producer that just go. Yeah, to tell you. No, because just let him go behind ten, ten, ten, ten gimme a little something. You know, like it's all keyboard self deprecation, man, that makes him so likable about a dude. About a dude. He's able to take a back seat to his own keyboard plan, which is in kidding. Kidding. I hear you. Usually it's something like mean streets. You know, it's the same. Getting Lee went through in the eighties with rush rage. He wasn't play basis, play keyboards. He's probably what you think you the best bass player ever, but he's probably thinking absent Abass let me try this keyboard stuff. Right. So what do you do when you're genius? You know you guys know? And yet one genus in the battle site who it is Ralph. It's interesting. Okay. So we all right job wins. Weaned sweep for jump. Clean sweep for for four earlier. So sawn number three, Panama versus get up. So. Let's move onto the next on listening. Okay. Yeah. What why are we even talking about this? You have any comments on get up, get up is like it could have been on him and smile, right? I mean it was that kind of it doesn't cook to it for me though. Roger span fan. Hey, listen, as we'll discover this many songs on van Halen for the don't have hooks either, but they're still great four. The solo in get up his. Awesome. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's classic. Perfect written rock song. Guitar tone, I'm Panama is light years better than get years, light years, light years. He is so over saturated in that particular song. And it sounds like he's playing in the middle decision of his pickups, you know, a lot of Qatar. Well, it sounds like he's playing east tune super low, which is very odd for van heel is down here a little bit d think. Is that true? Does he downtown? Thanks now. Remember it's really low the, yeah. Let me ask you this. Hey, and also eight. Russ. Necklace guitar. With the little didn't have. Loyd rose. It was. What do you Steiber Awami the Miami was Mola trance dream. I don't remember transgender all the rates these days back then it was super cutting edge. Rose. What's Kramer or trans trim from Steinberg? Yeah. Okay. And what's the other one? There's another minutes behind Ayler keilor's all the way back night ranger one. We already covered this about five minutes ago. All right. Let me ask you this question. What whammy bar is on like a rose anyway? Yes, real obscure Stanford of Floyd rose unless pause at make you a jerk. I, I don't think if less Paul should ever have a whammy bar on that's rule number one in rock and roll Neil Sean. If you're listening disregard that police. Have you guys? It seems like panel will be one of the songs you guys play are used to play quite a bit jumping Panama. We played a lot you ever have any guests vocals come up for those two songs that you can recall. Dane cook used to sing it a lot thinking he was dry to sing. It. I mean, that guy creates, he's still get them to sing for he was doing movies and shit, dude his house. I don't know how he Ford this shit. You must come while he was doing arenas. That's amazing. Yeah, I've been new house. Sammy go to Danes house all the time. Trying to take advantage got in the fight. All. Okay. So they don't really hang out, but I try give them together here that we're position where you like. Luke in between both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Danes houses killer, and he has the actual guitar that Eddie recorded Panama. What is it with these guys that know any van? How I know he owned. I know that even with both together and that kind of both as a kind of making that up to I would I would say the Panama definitely wins once again, clean sweep. I would say, rich, any comments, Panama a love it like it's I think it's outside of jump. It's the most recognizable, right? I mean, you you listen to that opening riff, and it's I actually prefer Panama over jump just bist because it's to me, it takes all the way moving boxes. Right? All of the great rift. Great tone, breakout performance, and it really pitches today strike zone, which is ultimate swagger, right? He has all of that stuff, but it's still kind of aggressive too because sometimes he can go like swagger, but it gets a little cutesy for of ignores, kind of his still punch you. You know what I mean? Like he has that same thing. Take your girl, but I'll also fight you if it's thanks. I love that he, he lives in both worlds. He's tough enough to do it. And it's got the great break down the other kill. I wonder if that was just improv or. I think after unchain they decided not to do the improv anymore. Like we'll just go do it. Oh. All right. So plan, we get the Queen clean sweep or the Queen sweep. If you're talking about Ross, and let's. The other guy that was talking about, oh, he's talking about Ralph who throw no Ross. Boss, Ross Chandler, Rahm Emanuel Rawson, Ralph Roger. Top jim. Jimmy versus dreams. I'm gonna take this one. I love top Jimmy. I think it's kind of a cool little van him swagger, classic Roth lyrics that he probably saw some guy called top Jimmy when he was a kid playing a ballroom or something. But dreams is a masterpiece song. It is a frigging masterpiece once again, combining a great keyboard riff with one of the best souls Vanhanen's overdone and some of the best singing ever recorded in rock and roll for me. Please take over. Okay, we'll totally right. Yeah, I couldn't agree more dreams as one of the one of the best band hails. And it's one of the most inspirational songs ever written. It's crazy. Don't you dry your eyes, people like. Many rock bands that can pull that off like having it actually be a bitch in song with an awesome hook that actually is uplifting and British rock band. We're not gonna take it, did it, but have twisted sister, but this. But this is even better deal with planes. Really. However. Talk about. I was actually working sellers which is a Canadian target when that song came out. So I wasn't my dream of stacking sheaf shits and look where you are now right? With factual and some guy named rut, and I didn't even have to do anything to get rough. Okay, Michael Starwood, he think give us your pin man. Okay, so dreams is a great song. Yes. Thank you. I think the bridge really for dreams is the strongest points with bridge. Oh. I love that song. Reach down to. So baby. Got it. When they Mike. Star, you're doing that. That's the bridge you guys chorus the post course. I, I like them both. I really think that comparing dreams to top Jimmy is an unfair battle. Yeah, Jimmy is a killer song, but it's it's. Album tracks. Right? And this is a, this is a, you're talking about single order, your records this way, and you do battle so they never know what you're gonna get his battle, rich. What's your opinion? I'm gonna say, I'm gonna jump on and just. Yeah, I think it's actually the best song van halen's overwritten as far as just. Strategist and could be one of the best vocal performances in rock. I mean, at that point, I mean, he was full voice. Rushing notes and thing about it is it's one thing we can talk about guys, ING, sing high. He I believed every word. Like, I mean, he was selling, you know, ABC you know, always be selling. Close in a little sharpen or may have been. But I, I was I had his balls right in my life. Blinded by that power. The other thing about is like, as you were saying, like, oh, baby, we belong in a world that must be strong. It was like the first time. Van Halen turned into Tony Robbins. Oh yes. Like they were always breaking down and tell us to do naughty things, and now they're like aids time to get our shit together dreams or may. Yes. So well, David Lee Roth could create daily. Rob was. That's another thing about Sammy that I started to really appreciate as I started, you know, growing into a singer or being a singer, was that Roth? Sammy did the Roth songs. No problem Roth could never do these songs. They wrote them differently and just they're just out of his right couldn't and not even even not even ballpark what I mean. What I mean Sammy's ingrate Saint, and that's, you know, even to this day Roth i. stinks. To not want to have anything to do with Sammy. Sammy would kill them even though we don't care. We just wanna see Roth Roth and Sammy Sammy, it's not a competition, but I think to rot is coming. Parallels out. It's very parallel to the Ozzy DO were we're Ozzy was all the character and he brought life into that. And then do you came in and just started singing the phone book and everybody's like, oh, that guy, he's looks amazing. God, this dude's voice. And I think that's kind of and it's good that way, right. It keeps us from having to compare two guys that were similar because Rothen. Completely different opinions. That's right. It'd be unfair. It's like, hey, man, you're Land Rover is not as cool as my Ferrari. The just so different. You well machines. Dick's immediately. Here's the next thoughts about dead legs versus summer nights. God, it's Iraq. Can I go here lease go? I didn't make any notes. I made some mental notes for this particular these two songs. Okay. This game battle. This is a great battle and it's super hard for me to Jews. I think just overall overview. What I think of two, I think the summer nights wins this battle. Okay. However, there's so many similarities to tar soloing in drop dead lakes and with summer nights, it's just what way? The way he's the scales that he's using it in in this solo. I don't know. Did you know what I mean? I don't know what the scales are, but they're just if you listen to the solos, there's a lot of similarities in them. It's like this out of left field type thing, and I feel like. I was telling satchel nineteen Eighty-four. Eddie. Van Halen, like took enough. He went to a different place with a soloing, and I think that some are nice and dropped legs have that similarity to them, you know where you know they do the front end of the song, and then the rest of solo jam at the kind of loose type tune. But summer nights is definitely a super catchy fund song that translates way better live. So my pick would be summer nights. All right. And I hate saying it's a tough that's touch. Is an amazing. It's got so much attitude, but summer nice is, do they captured the vibe of summer night. So cool and not to mention the fact that that eighties guitar, the riff on that like used that trans tramping like he was innovating. If you're not a guitar player, you're not. You're not noticing. But like he was like the key changes that he used in that and and the flavor that he had on that you just hit on the head row. See he much much like hotel, California capturing the vibe of a dark desert highway like you can see that happening as us on summer nights is the same thing. And both these songs for me were ones that didn't jump into right away because the good both kinda lazy songs bid tempo. But once you like this, both songs were were ones that came alive after ten listens to where like, oh, I pan was great and good scrape with these two were like they could be not the best. They really grow me. Dude, I don't know, man, I think it might have to go summer nights all of the jam at the end of drop dead legs. Amazing, took me ten years to figure out what drop dead legs meant. I didn't know what that meant. Drop dead legs. It's like, I don't get it. She's got drop dead legs. Chris or legs are so great. You're going to drop dead when you see them. That's what happens. I didn't know anything about legs old, like fifties term. Graham case. Geneva need to shave contest for me. Okay. Drop dead legs. Okay. So we've already kind of the only that. I mean, everybody's already covered all the stuff that wrote except for this one line that that was interesting. I said, Samuel channeling the blues like Paul Rodgers, but he's less polite in more fun to hang out with your like because he that specially the swagger in that verse, Wendy's ton on these eddies lane all that space for Sammy to frigging dance swagger over and he's, he's laying on this really great blues econo- melodies that I was talking about. I'm really tracked into that kind of vocal style except for he's doing it. Paul Rogers has. There's a politeness to Paul Rogers like, you know, like yes, even know like Paul's when my favorite singers of all time, Sammy seems like he'd be more fun to hang out with in that. So there was my quip. So let me just make quick points unsung hero of both these songs, Michael Anthony's background vocals, very prevalent in both of these tunes when you think about albums. Sure. But full songs, they both have great parts for him to say. I would say that Michael Anthony's voice is a great blend with Sammy's. Yes, better than Dave's. They're both singers. I have to say that now. I mean, looking back, it was hard for me to have that transition. I was upset about it, but now that I'm a dull. Sammy or Mike landing. That sucks to play with Michael because they blend so l. together the drop dead legs no course. I pre course guitar lick interlude, verse pre chorus solo out to me like a song. It's the only song that I've ever heard that because it is so amazing is so much attitude that you just forget that chorus and there's no like revisiting of any hook that happened. It's like solo out. So for me, like in the actually there's another song. Eighty four does the same thing except for to me doesn't have the power pain. Yes, like that. I say it. I give it a pass for not, you know, drop delays courses. Probably the Denning do then, and then it's like a two line harmony part and nobody even knows what they're saying. Well, I know I don't even to me. Okay. We'll. Right. Debate. Let's go to side to both of those sides had five songs on each and both sides of four. Wow, hot for teacher versus any of the song of the world. Forget it, but it's best of both worlds. I'll take it off for teacher, the quintessential van Halen song, best video, best riff, best solo best drum part, which if you're a drummer is very hard to play, try and lay that down anybody that's drummer, it's Frank maybe can do it. I'm sure Franken anything thing but sticks can't do it. You know. Frankie do it sticks drummers that can do it well do it properly. There's been drummers that have gotten up in played that song with us and we've let them try and it's been just a train, talked Nedal. You think you know it, you don't know, Alex can't even play anymore. That's how hard. Great base Roth to scatting making shit up when they do it live. He doesn't even do any of the words just goes, looks Berg right across the street from the graveyard. I mean, but it works. It's like he can do. We really across the grid park people dying to get in there. How. Very real hot for teacher. I'm going obviously offer teacher for me. What do you think. Satchel off today now agree with you. I mean best. I mean, dude, I mean, like dude everything, the drums alone. It's insane. Guitar video. Yeah, everything about it. Rather, let's talk a little bit slower will best both worlds adrift. Great. It's cool. But you're comparing to. Van Halen fan. Yeah, yeah, teacher, but what do you think you can't? I mean, it's not good battle feature wins for me. Anything is this the first time that we've heard Eddie us kind of out of face strat sound as the primary sound on a rhythm track. Intro part yet part is is very cool bottoms up. Yeah, like, yeah, good call. Yeah. So we've heard it before. Tone is different than is clean, but it's not like it's humbug or a route down here when I was kind of listings, I love doing this because I love listening to it was kind of fresh years than making notes as I was listening to. This album came kind of dawned on me. This was the point in the record that I realized that this album was just as much about Sammy, maybe even more than it was about eighty because it's SOLAS were a little shorter. Like this was the timers like, oh, another really cool solo, but it's kinda shored. It's a little understated. The guitars are pulled back in the in the mix and it's not. It's not an Eddie doesn't feel like Eddie van Halen record like nineteen eighty four feels like an Eddie van Halen record. Even though Dave you know is, is wing, man, I'm listening. It's like, wow, this is kind of a kind of a radio mix like the guitars are a little back there at times and same get the best like I love it, but hot for teacher head to head is no way. There's no song really that could touch that, but I thought it was interesting. That I started to recognize that van Halen was entering this new realm of, wow, I can't believe there's like four or five songs in a row that are all singles with these massive courses in these great hooky verses like every parts of hook, right every single section. And that could have been the Mick Jones influence of just saying, we're not throwing the bridge way. We're gonna write something super hooky will give Eddie eight bars. But after that we need to have have something kind of hooky. This is not your your old dad's van Halen because it does sound like you know, somewhere along the line there is some influence could be Sammy could be, could be Eddie. Eddie your, whatever the reason Roth and him got into gut into it for for that change. But you're here that right? I mean, do you think Mike, I was thinking about, well, all you're saying. And I think that Eddie van Halen from what I've read and you know what you read is not necessarily always true, but you know, Dave just not want piano keyboards. It was something that he was adamant about didn't like it. And I think that once they've put up and Sammy came in and he could do whatever you wanted to do so did he was able to explore this other world for himself? But it sounds to me like best of both worlds was written a lot by Sammy. I could be wrong. I think you're right. It sounds like a Sammy, Hagar just another wrong. That it's a great song, but I listen to a last night and the tar tone on just blown me out so much money and so round. And isn't that funny too though that when when the Roth band jumped the shark for me was when they released stand back as the single up up story, which is all this weird bound bound bound bound, even know what is key board. It's the keyboards, Dave, where he said he would never go. That was the end of that land can prevent him. That was the cool factor for me. What would he do here? Keyboard. Yeah, that to me was ironic that you say that, but, hey, I would go for teacher best both, whereas it's a killer song. It translates so good live. Yeah. Now, fun concert I went to and it was. Even though you weren't? Yes. You still wanted to be Haley. I got free tickets from your brother started kicking off the album. I really did go. Something interesting call me if you got free call you up and I paid you. Yeah, like three times any giant or about that? Okay. Let's go to the next one. I'll wait versus walks in good battle. I'll wait. Love, wait. I don't know if you know this written by van Halen, van Halen, Anthony Roth, and Michael McDonald, what's that's what it says here. That's insane. Real, so we'll give you. Yeah, everything you read out. Michael McDonald that we know. Mike Pittsburgh right down the street at the Starbucks. Look this up Steelers, right from the Steelers, steely Dan. Steely Dan from the Steelers who Murphy Mark down. Donald was in animal house. He's the teacher that yells at denied her in the I wanna rock. Video health, right? That's what it says. Somebody thinking. Ronald McDonald. That's all David Lee Roth. He wrote that shit. Okay. So. Rich. Why don't you start this? It's all wait versus love walks in. So I was a little shocked when I listened back to lovelock's heard to bunch of times heard on the radio. This was not an fifty was an album that like I played as an album bunch like I knew the songs I heard the stuff of the radio. I, of course I listened to the whole album before, but it's the first time I like really listened to critically, not just as a fan, yes, yes. So this song is not played well, and there are some really some rhythmic issues going on in this album. That really bothered me. And I think my guess was one of two things. One is that they tracked the keyboards and the vocals in a writing way, and they really liked what they had, and then they had Alex come back and track drums on top of it because the drums are not there. So many pushed keyboard hits and push snare and weird, Tom rolls out of time like the foam, the first pre course fumbles into it like something. I think. Why wasn't that retr-. Tracked what happened. And so one of the things that I thought also could have been that we were kind of talking about it, it was there a possibility also that Alex van Halen was struggling with how rigid, the Simmons Tom's and the reaction with it because there were some moments in a faster saw with a lot of tars and stuff. Maybe we didn't notice as much, but man drumming seemed really bad coming from the greatest rock drummer on the planet. So it was one of two things. It was either to me because we've all recorded before everything. First thing you done? Yes. And to me, like trying to get sick, I don't know why. So yeah, I'm gonna go. I'll wait is the winter across the board like, but I did think kind of going through this. I started to notice. And so one on the third, this out there just as a sidebar discussion. Was it stylistically because I think if you would have brought Steve Smith from journey into this, you crushed it because this is his wheelhouse. Was the song written by Sammy and Mick Jones, and it worked on, and then this is just foreign territory for Alex van Halen, stylistically who's not a power, ballad guy that just was like weird or was it the Simmons drums distracting him just the feel in the in the kind of how the rigidness there's not the give of the TOMS, or did they cut the drums after the keys in the vocals because you're getting high over there. Ause we talking about, I'll know we're talking walks walks in. Well, yeah, hi. Here we go. Dead temperament called me up. This is Mike McDonald said, hey, these guys have a track and needs some lyrics. I mentioned you could do it because he'd worked with him on the Doobie brothers records. Michael McDonald. He said, it wasn't exciting. I met David Lee Roth. He kind of liked what I had going on. We sat there in the office playing the lines and the melodies. And so Michael McDonald came up with those lyrics of crazy. Way to go to make it to the border of Mexico, and then Roff it too. I see your picture and image sales. Look what you've done to me. That's interpreted. Man in Mexico. Ride, like the wind is the original song they wrote and they split it into two and got out of it. So it's good to me. Alway- never liked lovelock's listening to it again when it's love from eight one two is a killer song. It's one of the best songs lovelock's when he goes. Anyway, right. No. Yeah, no, that's another different class. Barge classic clash. Never liked lovelock's in always. I think it's got some great Dave swagger to it, did not know that Michael McDonald, those lyrics don't care solo solo. Yes, yes. Two great solo and Alex van halen's drumbeat. It's like bottom, USC. It's bottom. Bottom bottom about a mess. John bottom drummer. Bottom. Yeah, the group and that's on. Drummer he did was to Harry, Harry bottom. You guys to Alex Ben Simmons on nineteen eighty four to as well. Six, we think just for former. Hi. On Rotan's. Right? It was a straight road. Okay. That was his like precursor to the right that was the, I'm going to twist the whole game. I heard that his audiologist for house fan hill, and that's one is here is hearing started going. He started losing all high end, and that's when the Simmons started making this presence. And that's why he went from say, he was in here pasties. I gotta tell you, I'll wait great song. Dave sounds killing it, but I would definitely disagree with you. Okay, that's fine. Your house walks in is beautiful. Here the solo in that song is so melodic -ly juicy makes pajamas wet while that's how you know what I'm serious. Even with the timing issues I would personally, I would have to go with that song with love. We ever on. All wait is killer. The drumbeat fills. I think the tar solo is awesome, and I love I'd actually love that song. I think it's a good sticks, but I'm gonna go with from walks. I love in this weight versus lovelock's familiar for me. Wait, you wanna. Wait Christopher. Wait, wait, wait, I love daddy. Mak make you jump Chris. Chris. This. Yeah. Did you have any comments on the three sneakers in the dryer fills on walks in. Gimme the Phil here it is frigging rotten. There's some. There are some push snare. I mean, like I, yeah, look, dude, I have issues with this the same. It's the same story as Neil young Neil young story. Yeah, don't like him either. Well producer, he's a guess he's like goes into single line produces like, I don't know. It's kind of out of key. 'cause he's things out of he tried again, Neil young, does it same exact way and the guy goes, can you almost really good? He goes, that's my style, bro. That's van Halen style. Is that they didn't have all of the track highlighted when they hit the Qantar button? No, they missed a couple of a couple notes down low and they just did a square. The next girl gone bad. Getting hide your bunk, rich. That's gotta groove. Self inappropriately. You can't. That's near. Sounds Bish. So good on that. I phone speaker, I must have been listening to barge. You like three, something really messed up about the song man rock. Sometimes when you listen with your in ears, everything sounds off just be the band you're playing with or we don't sound stage. Vocal girls, gone girl, gone bad, not girls. Girls gone wild, real gone, bad versus fifty. One fifty start off my girl, gone bad all the way. Yep. Okay. That's cool. Album track for me. Okay, I love it. It's thirty. It's mean it's dark. It could have been on fair warning, but it wasn't. It was on nineteen Eighty-four, which tripped me out a bit written it around that time. Those. It was Jan. It's bad ass. Killer souls, killer. And at the end Roth actually does some Led Zeppelin shit. Some Robert plant show. Oh. Killing one vote for a girl, gone bad. Girls gone wild. I love that. Good. New Orleans do good on the circuit. Everybody's shirtless people. They didn't want to be. Sorry, three holy Nickelback sorry. Sorry. Taly pick both of the song? No, you know, you got to go. Oh, oh God. Who are you? Who are you? Who are you. Because I don't neither one of those. So I'm just going to go with that because one I got now fifty. One fifty means crazy. That's right for a little crazy crazy lease numbers that we got a fifty one fifty here. Right. Fifty fifty one fifty in Canada. It's it's what's that code for homicide is no one eight seven one eight seven seven what you twenty fifty one fifty six, nine for one fifty is a section of California welfare code, which authorizes a qualified officer clinician involuntary can find a person's speculative mental disorder that makes dangerous themselves. So you have to put them away. Twenty one out here and nine rand thousand here in Canada. I'm going to and fifty for a couple of reasons. Rescues me. Come on. I didn't during your just really dude pizza with that. Sixty nine, Joe money for that. Still I'm going to buy the pizza. Do this whole thing with my credit cards and work in Europe. Dude. Got it. I'm buying everyone. Oh shit. Mckernan. It's like having a one million dollar check and nowhere to cash. That's right. Fifty riff is amazing. I think it's a great riff. Sammy scream at the end of that is it sounds gets poked in the ass with a pitchfork right at the end of it. If very reminiscent sharp sharp and it's the same when they poked Roth in the ass with during on fire is this crazy scream. I just love this riff, and to me it was kind of the hidden gem of the record until I got into it in nineteen ninety-five. A never heard the song I wanna hurt his. This is a great riff. Crazy shitty Simmons. Tom's Tom's but girls coming back, though they're making, they're making huge sticks is going to be playing them next positive. We may or may not use them on our next record, which is called my sexist mazing. Also, we've also with the lead off single pink leather leader hosing, we've discussed that. Oh, yeah. Leila hose at something like that, and we might have Tigers onto her onstage that'd be better rich. What he's they give us some analysis on fifty. Oh, I just think it's better. Chorus course. Yeah, it's great. I mean, they're both great songs for me. Don't hit me, but I think it's Dave that and the kind of the melodic approach that kind of bums out the Dave jam meets. It's not a course. Yeah, the holding the note I, yeah, yeah, that's I, I think both are great songs, but they're both as also said, I think we're starting to get into what else you got. You know songs I think both are great, but they're not. We've left the translation on the on the. Yeah, the hit makers, yeah. Okay. Last song, which is to me not even close house of pain. Versus inside you wanna start off with that one. Will the inside is a fun track. It's different. You'll see a common, you know, and the solos killer in it, and the tones is tar tones. Nice, it's juicy, it's thick. It's got a nice. Two, two. My dad uses serve it up. Uh-huh. I, I don't. I just think that house pain that riff is killer and they're locked in together. There's no, like, you know, you're talking about the fills where they're like, where's this going on? They just end up on one. It's like that, but it's cool. It's not like all listen to the crazy tempo of this riff. Everything really out of whack, isn't it? That's something a lot of people don't remember about that song. It's really weird that read old. It's an old song and those two guys to this day that the van Halen still rehearse every day. It's because they can do shit like that in their sleep. I bet they start playing and locking completely. That's the perfect example. You know, the story is any started that and Alex miss the beginning and he just came in wherever he could, and that's how that ended up in the accident. Right. So I'm going house opinion. I think inside is just we need a nights song for the record. Jam forbidden put a solo on because it's like same with fifty. One fifty though. I mean that which one on the inside I feel. Oh, I thought you talking about me is is a killer killer tune? Right inside is just like, would he got left out of? Here's their ninth. Don't don't don't do something on that. So I'm going house the paying all the way actually has pain. What did you think of that time. Fascinating. Can you break it down? Yeah. Thirteen. I'm gonna guess here after a an hour and fifteen minutes of conversation as planning four, four, an hour is playing in thirteen, and if you at the end of the song and they both end on one, I don't know if you. You haven't listened to either record in about a year. It's been a while. Both last time I was on extra four. It's just that they're just flipping the beat. With this simple via ridge. Like what? Bobby right. Red curry. Bobby, what would the blots do. Plots. Florida. We'll discuss it off yet. Some three, right? The solo is great. The break. Do at the school that was killer. Played that line? Yes, they did. Wow. That reminds somebody would do on the first record? Not see. We do. You know what? I want to retract that comment. It may be from what I saw nineteen Eighty-four. I'm one of the. They'd played it by remember them seeing on the big, it was the festival they were together near seeing. It was just. And it was before the song. Yeah, it was like in a jam part. I'm go into, look it up later, but I promise you believe in rich house, the pain for me. Although this is another one of those kind of weird songs like, you know, verse chorus, verse chorus, solo, and then let's just rock. There's no, and I think for me like it's a great song. I love it like these kind of nontraditional arrangements work because his fan Halen and they're always kind of had their own thing. But if if you had approached me and said, this is a song I would say, hey, let's take what after Seoul is go back and hit the course, they, let's riff out. So it doesn't make it not a great song. Because inside for me is terrible. I heard us like, oh my God, like it's almost like a rap song. Like all of the like the posse guys are talking to each other back around all, like having conversations record a song to record. Now he he's talking to Michael right on this is really cool. And then Sammy's like kind of scat rapping the first verse. That's when they like it sounded to me at that point. They were trying to show everyone that they're really close. Why do you. We could put out a shooting song and still. They knew, I guess they knew her two years later. We're going to do this classic album clash and they needed known as. Make an eight song records. You'll understand why you had through nine. The purple have on machina seven? Was it really think so he just yelled of that you like us mad. How do you know bro. All you guys go on ways and download the Michael star direction. There's only one way to download the Mike star ways app I waste over and that's by going on your webpage our somewhere online. It's on Twitter. I put it on Twitter. Okay. Yeah, he sticks comments being versus inside? No, no. I just came up here for blow. Okay. Is the question what we talked about last night, is it? I don't know. All you have left is a Jonah or a butthole. You can only have one, but, oh, you have a lifetime supply Lou because if that's the deal. I don't know. I guess if you're next week next classic desert island, so. To wrap it up giant. Yeah, I know for Jonah, just discuss when listen the covers the classic van Halen strange album covers which has the baby with the wings and the cigarettes, or is it atlas holding up the world with holding up the van Halen world will the van Halen with the v. h. logo thing of lifting up the new world event. Very symbolic, very smart, Michael star. That's a good one. I think the van Halen, four covers iconic though. I would wear that on a t shirt the baby. I wear that shirt. It's called van Nalen and has got the grownup baby as she's a girl. Oh, nice. And I like that should cover this creature because smoking cigarettes have babies, you have to have. On. That's the future of our careers, right? The babies, babies, five year olds sitting ought to play. That's right. Michael knows a lot of five rules that are better than van Halen. I do not take horses aboard. I. For blabbermouth Spacey of heavy metal, Michael star, semi. Hagar overall ninety four fifty and fifty rich fifty. The cover going with the what. That's what I'm going. I'm going the cover four overall. If if I have to make a choice in not Parsa down to songs going fifty, one fifty. The album itself. I'm going the fifty and fifty. I'm talking about. Do I want to listen to it? Yes. If I say, what would I prefer to listen to? I'm going to say fifty. Wow, no, even sit in the same of the I just sheer principle your principle. I, you know what? Dude. Let me tell you something about myself. Okay. When it comes to van Halen, I'm van Halen fan all the way to the core of my existence man, daily Roth. Eighty Halen. If our desert island had to pick which record I would bring with me, it'd be nineteen Eighty-four come on now. All right. All right. And because you know why? Because that's what I've always. I always wanted to be in a band with a guy who can play that with that feel. And this guy said next to me, he's got that there. Yeah, that's that's a rare I'm serious man. Phantom sweet moment was very Swiss. It was very Swiss. Have no idea. All the tears I've cried. Still dreams are made of mine have come true. But you know what? If I had to choose if I had to choose between fifty and fifty nine do there's more there's honestly there's more hit songs on fifty. We got one kid. There's no, there's no doubt about it. Mind. But if I had figured on a desert is that we're talking about the, it doesn't matter. Okay. I have copies of. Okay. I'm gonna have to ninety four for me personally. Boy, that doesn't. There's no one of the other. Fifty. I I understand why fifty one fifty did better. I'm taking nineteen Eighty-four for one reason when reasonably it's got hot for teacher on it, which is the one of the greatest top three songs of all time for me. So I'm going ninety four but and doing fifty much better than I remembered and probably here's, here's what you saying right now from what I remember a reason why you're saying that because nineteen Eighty-four is better. Dude. That's why you remember that. Okay, so let me so here. Here's here's. Yeah. Okay, it's my favorite bands on the planet. Thirty Boston foreigner, Kansas sticks. I love that era of seventy super rock. For me. Fifty. One fifty is more of that kind of record more big hook courses really hooky verses well produced. Not a lot of like throwaway bits and pieces for the musicians chumming the water. So for me, it pitches to my strike zone. I'm not saying what's a better record. I'm just saying if you're saying to listen to what I like my favorite record of all times the First Boston album. And to me the fifty one fifty has more in common with the Tigers albums that I listened to when I'm going to like when I'm listening to jam. Orange that I hear you, but there's and there's certain things about fifty. One fifty like Sammy is a great. She's a better singer east on this record, insanely hearing Bruce Dickinson on the. Coming out of the gate at the same time though. Then there's, there's more there's for me, there's more attitude on nineteen hundred. Swagger, raw, Sammy's dangerous, roths dangerous. You know, even to this day with. Guy. Chris, you know I I'm not dangerous. I'm nice danger Jericho. Chris Jericho's sticks to even ask you fifty one fifty. Nine hundred four, no shoes or blind. I wanna ask you. Nineteen Eighty-four. Is it for me and Joe bass player for Tom punks Joe last series full time been like shaking his head for good by the way the the debate prep guy because he had like a lot of answers off like he's like all the trim, Joe, everybody's. Cards. Do now a one last thing if David Lee Roth was here right now, Michael store, what would he say? He say you guys still doing a great job. Just keep on what you're doing. You're gonna keep on getting what you get my friend and look all my fellas here on the bus. They know what's rock and roll and you do too. My friend I can see in your eyes and you know with my good, I'm looking you down and bringing the heavy metal back all over the world steel panther and Fosse onto a right now. What he would say. You left you left off and that guitar player for FOSS dick. Thanks Michael star Sasser from steel panther and rich ward from Fosse for taking part in the latest edition of the classic album clash. Van Halen, which one you prefer Goto at talks Jericho. 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The Mueller Report - Pt. 3

Mueller, She Wrote

1:12:56 hr | 2 years ago

The Mueller Report - Pt. 3

"So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what I said. That's obviously with our position is. I'm not aware all any of those that gives I have been called a surrogate at the time and that campaign. I didn't have not have communication at the lushes to get involved with Putin for have nothing to do with never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me Russia. If you listening, I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing. So it is political Europe, communist know. Mr. green communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller. She wrote, I'm your host AG. And with me as always are Julia Johnson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. And this is part three of our extensive special coverage of the redacted Muller report. And in this episode we're going to cover section three of volume one that's pages thirty six to sixty five it's pretty beefy. It gets pretty juicy at the end. So stick with us, and we'll go through it. It's really really really no collusion. So this section covers the second method by which Miller, determined the Russians interfered naral actions. The first method was internet research agency, the IRA and social media active measures which we covered in section two, but this is the Russian hacking and dumping operations. And I know in the last episode we discussed the story about the two major Russian operations in Prague, and I just wanted to say it's more likely though, I don't know, for sure that those operations were hacking hubs in Prague and not troll farms, you know, so beginning on page thirty six. Of the mullahs report. It says that in the beginning now beginning first bible, the bible starts sounds. Yeah. I, I think that was in the beginning nothing. And then there was everything the end, I think is the some people died amazing. Couple guys lived to be nine hundred totes. Norms Haley, here's molars bible. Yep. Trump, even called at that, right? You're going to sign a copy of my thinking. I saw your, your eyes went. Yeah. Totally smoke. A lot of weed when you have an idea as a black light pop up over your head. Alava lamb. And I totally just all that for Mitch Hedberg just. Yeah. Me neither. Yeah. If I had done it in his voice, does a black light pop up over your hand, one more MSCI. Gosh, I love that guy. Anyway, page thirty six in into beginning March of two thousand sixteen GR you hack computers and Email accounts of organizations employees and volunteers of the Clinton campaign, including Padeshah. I would highly recommend reading the Russia indictments. If you haven't for no other reason than to grasp the scale scope and detail of Muller's findings like he knew how many fucking eyelashes Ivonne hadn't his left. I like ally. He's beautiful. It's gorgeous, I think uses Latinos, but it was fantastic amazing amounts of detail. And it just that he was able to get all that was pretty intense. And I think that's why there's a lot of reductions in this report for you know how the, you know, investigative procedures and methods because they don't wanna give any of that away. Like we know how to sit on stuff and get this kind of detail. So the GR you hack the DNC and the. D triple C, along with targeting hundreds of Email accounts. Spearfishing in total, the GR, you still hundreds of thousands of documents from the compromise Email accounts in networks GRU later released, the stolen documents and emails through online personas. They created themselves called DC leaks Guja for two point oh, and then later through WikiLeaks, when they were like, hey, we're bigger give us the release was designed and timed to interfere with the two thousand sixteen years, presidential presidential election to undermine the Clinton campaign specifically. And I know that seems obvious now but it wasn't back, then the releases were weaponized for their deliberate timing, we had beans on that, but Muller confirms it here only took twenty two months. It was thorough better late than never not to mention that we were told early on that DC leaks Guja for two point. Oh, we're not rushing. And now we have proof that they are. Yeah. They tried to claim the Romanian or something. Yeah. Well Romania hates his two. And Trump, even lube that truth by coming out and saying, it's probably a four hundred pound guy and his bed himself. Little little. Did they know Americans are ignorant as fuck and they're like, Romania Russia? What's the difference say it's no different to them? Totally. I you know, they haven't seen noble. And, and here it states unequivocally that the Trump campaign showed interest in the WikiLeaks releases and in the summer, and fall, twenty sixteen. Redacted redacted redacted. And then after redacted redacted WikiLeaks first Clinton related release redacted the Trump campaign Steven contact redacted about WikiLeaks activities. The investigation was unable to resolve redacted Wiki leaks release of the stolen pedestrian emails on October seven two thousand sixteen the same day video the, you know, the pussy tape came out. That's right. All these reductions take a look at paragraph. It's an interesting one. It's, it's page. Thirty six paragraph to all the beans in the universe on these reductions by being about Roger stone. However, that last sentence of the investigations unable to resolve redacted 's and WikiLeaks release of the stolen, pedestrian emails, our after the grab them by the pussy tape came out. That's what that's referring to write. My, my guess is that it says Muller was unable to resolve stones foreknowledge of Wiki leaks release of the stolen emails, but I don't I don't know. Maybe maybe he couldn't resolve stones coordination. But I don't think that means he didn't find evidence of it. I think it means he was unable to resolve it either because of lying liars lying, or it's an ongoing matter or shit, signaling subpoenas. I think liars lying layers lying is the next stage in the twelve days of Christmas thing. I like it. That's great. Or the next Jim Carey movie, and there's no numbers lying lying. Right. Right. A bit on that. I forgot when we used to remember when Christmas was coming. Yes, I totally forgot. I just hack your joke. Yeah. It's all good. She did a whole thing. Do you remember it? I do. Yeah. Go listen to the episodes, leading up to Christmas would start reading the stories that we were going to go over, and they just would go into the twelve days of Christmas time. Yep. Anyway. Where was I let's see? Maybe it could be this whole instead of lying liar. Lying lying, or dip shits ignorance subpoenas. It could be because the investigation was terminated before that was uncovered because, as we know the stone case was handed off to DC. That's Jesse Liu US attorney's office in DC the week that Muller ended his investigation if he didn't find evidence. He'd have said that that's important that he didn't resolve it. If he could resolve it and didn't have evidence, he would have said that because he says that elsewhere in this report, and we now know Amy Berman judge Jackson. If you're nasty has read the redacted portions of the Muller report that have to do with stone, and we're waiting for his trial to start November fifth stone has requested the full Muller report. But I don't think he'll get it. Maybe he'll get some pieces of it, some redacted pieces of it that maybe have to do with him that, that everybody already knows about, but there, she's not going to hand over the whole report. Right. Maybe if he didn't have all those Instagram, faux, pas previously. Onto see anything he would just publish it all as two stories or whatever he does with his top hat. Then we come on stones, and really small writing sells legal fees. How many stones would it take to write the full Muller? Oh, that's like a little homebuilders oppression question. Guess how many jelly beans like see sixteen thousand five hundred lines about twenty words per line. So you're looking at many millions of stuff. Yeah. That one of those like rice writer people. Oh. Who could drop people up things on the heads of pin that you could probably fit it all on one. He's a carnival guy. This is where he should be absolutely of work. There's plenty chillier before he can bring back around again, just give them a pair of those little tiny round plastic kids glasses. And he becomes Steve Martin in the absolutely up right up and wooden. Some crap are. Are. Then we get to part a called GRU hacking direction at the Clinton campaign or excuse me, directed at the Clinton campaign, subsection one GRU units target, the Clinton campaign, here we learned to military units of GRU carried out the hacking of the DNC, d triple C and Hillary, her campaign, and those are two six one six five and some four four five five and the footnote here explains, that in section five Muller charged twelve GRU officers for the hacking crimes incites the US code and refers to that indictment that we think you should all read of the Russians. The report explains that unit two to six one six five targets military political governmental and non-governmental organizations outside of Russia. And there's a footnote about how they hacked the US anti doping agency the world anti doping agency and other international sport associations that were indicted in October twenty eighteen for those crimes, and that probably had something to do with Russia being caught doping for the Olympics and they couldn't use their flag number. They had to just have, like Olympia for Russia. Yeah. Exactly. Something very conspicuous name. Still technically thing you've seen the documentary about that. Yeah, it is really good. It's a documentary that some guy does about the doping. In the doping cover up, at least to watch it. It's a good guy that flew too close to the sun. Yes, he is. High school coming back. Let's see. So this unit two six one six five. These this doping agency, half a fancy bear. They had subdivisions with different jobs, like one would develop the malware, while the other would conduct spearfishing campaigns, and spear is, when you send out an Email that looks like it's a legit like Google, apple Email and say, hey, need change your password, and get them to click on the link enter your password, password? So that's a spear phishing campaign. So that's what two six one six five does. Then we redaction here about an investigative technique and the sentence. Reads redacted redacted, a bitcoin mining operation to secure bitcoins used to purchase computer infrastructure used in hacking operations unquote. And I'll bet bitcoins to bagels that's dollars to doughnuts that probably illustrates how investigators were able to, to stake out and catch the Russians mining bitcoin, but those are bitcoin bean beans up there, I'll have two doors. Yeah. I bet when a bitcoin for, there's no way they thought of all espionage, they'd helpful. Militate. Oh, yeah. Little creation. Or maybe it was in their business plan, and we just missed they were sketchy from the star unintended consequences. Hello, Hillary and the crime Bill fick money. Real crimes. Sounds like fake money real crimes money real crimes. What's that angle Queen? So what's that Neil that guy diamond? No no of Crosby. Stills Nash, young young, one of them. One of them. I'm not not Neil Crosby. I have a question. I, I wonder if they coin can be held accountable in any way for things like this in the future. You know, like I know it's a pioneered space at the moment, but considering it's all online, I wonder if deliver be held more responsible for looking into the sorts of transactions that are happening on their platform, who knows maybe one of those appendix d redacted redacted referred investigations is into bitcoin. Yeah. That'd be great. If we got some new laws regarding my tennis on this, and the one thing that kind of laughed. I laughed a little bit isn't the plural of bitcoin bitcoin. Really? No. Yeah. Because I'm not you think bitcoin? Yeah. You're right. Because he because most bitcoins in here to reminds me when my mom says the MTV, yeah. Exactly. Like how many molly's did you take? Mali's. Oh, gosh. That's good official official coverage of the report molly's. So then we have this other unit some four four five five, which is a related GRU unit with a bunch of different departments that engage in cyber operations like assisting, the release of shit stolen, coordinating, the release of shit stolen by two six one six five promoting. Those releases promoting the publication of anti-clinton content on social media accounts operated by GRU through officers from some four four five, and they, they separately had computers belonging to state boards of elections, secretaries of state and US companies that supplied software and other technology related to the administration of our elections. And so that's another thing that import four five five does. And we reported on these attacks quite a lot. These are the ones Mitch McConnell ignored, and the local and state election funding is the funding Trump never spent although I think he had some federal funding to. So that's the introduction to two six one six five and some four four or five five. Actively known as fancy bear. I believe that is not like a little prince. I know. Fans. The hacking group, formerly. We're having to meet up the fancy bears point Loma. That's not in the Miller report fancy bear at least not yet, so far, as far as we've gotten in the show here, but that's household name. Yeah. But that's what we've gathered from pre previous public reporting on these two GRU, hacking and distribution units. Then I'm page thirty seven Muller says beginning mid March of two thousand sixteen two six one six five had primary responsibility for hacking, the d triple c and the DNC as well as Clinton campaign staffers, individual emails, and then it describes how they did it in two bullets. I one says they used redacted to learn about redacted different democratic websites, including Democrats dot org. Hillary Clinton dot com, DNC dot org and d triple c dot org. Then another redacted sentence began before the GR. You had obtained any credentials or gained any access indicating that the ladder that the later D Tripoli and DNC intrusions were not crimes of opportunity, but resulted targeting. And so what this is. Basically saying is the redacted parts early honor just redacting how they were able to stake out that Russia was staking out these websites to hack them. So it's this weird cyber stakeout. I dig it they're using their own strategies against them. They can't share with the public because it's just so choosy. Right. And it also shows that because Russia was staking it out. They were casing the joint. It shows that it was not a crime of opportunity. It would be the difference between a guy noticing your front door was open. When he walked by, and stealing your television versus the guy who cases your house for a month to find out when you're not there and breaks into steal everything. Yeah. It's premeditated. For sure. Yeah. How would any hacking be a crime of opportunity to, like, oh, it was just strolling through the cyber hood rows that bands? Through the dark with, and I saw open doors. I went into it. Now, all of a sudden, my name is different. Yes. Portal's left ajar. Back door is a jar. These probably the same technique used to observe the Russians mining bitcoin right to pay for their bitcoins. Yeah. Also, I just had I think instead of cyber cider. I just want you all to know that. I don't think that the internet is a bunch of delicious. Applebee's. I like cider espionage. Yeah. It'd be better for Saul about cider. Cyberterrorism ciders terrorism will be really like hard cider terrorism. Then it would all disappear after the fall, and that would be great stake out your taps at the brewery. I'm gonna espionage me some cider, I'm onto you. Espionage is a very bright. I think so it is now. Yeah. What I don't know as herb. Yeah. I think it's now. Yeah, definitely, I would it be turned into a verb. Oh, espionage thing. Yeah. Crime ING, just adding. Yeah. That's the rule. Definitely. I mean that's probably how Russian would say it if they didn't speak English very well. If you wanna make fun of English. Yeah, that's not espionage ring. Your honor here, clearly, not from here or your do not know how to do it Russian accent. Yeah. Yeah. Or you're on the podcast. She wrote where they just end. It all with an iron g and the second bullet describes how GRU officers sent hundreds of spear phishing emails, so the spearfishing campaign enabled jar you to get access to numerous Email accounts aside from Modesto. They got volunteers assigned to Clinton campaign's advanced team, informal campaign advisers, informal, campaign adviser like me and DNC employees. They still tens of thousands of emails from them, and then onto pitch thirty eight subsection to intrusions into the D triple in DNC, sub subsection a I'm gonna call underpants a. Because sub subsection sounds really diminutive. Yeah. And is called. What it's called initial access. All right. So here's the intrusions underpants. A initial access page this part of the report goes into details that no later than April twelve twenty sixteen GR. You got access to the d triple c network through spearfishing someone's credentials. They hung out in there for weeks traversing the network identifying computers with unrestricted access because the credentials that they were able to steal from an IT administrator who you'd think would know damn. How'd he get a job? Right. Hire me then they were able to compromise about twenty nine different machines from that operation. Yeah, I guess it also goes to show how like brand new, these strategies are cyber like terrorism world. It's like spearfishing is something that many people can fall for because it's so damned like stealthy look so convincing, but it's not new right. That's what I was gonna say, totally for like, normal people. Right. Is it is it like as old as like what twenty sixteen or even further? Oh, yeah. As soon as someone figured out. How you could do that through Email? Really? Right. Right now perfect it I guess is what it seems like we've been. Well, the government government's like the Russia government, or the Russian government of the United States government tend not to use the most high tech software when I went to work for the government in two thousand seven I had the pleasure of walking into a book, dummies, what was it windows ninety five for dummies in two thousand? I miss that, that's the best windows program actually ninety five. I remember when windows ninety five best operating. But honestly, this is probably old junkie technology like their ex tunnel that they use and all that stuff that we'll get into in a minute and the rar dot c that's probably all old shit, and we're just so behind they've been focusing on this for the last thirty years when we thought we won the Cold War. Yeah. But they put out like this whole new cyber espionage. This is how we're gonna win the World War for came out. And I think a memo that somebody in the GRU, general wrote in twenty thirteen we read about it, and Russian roulette. I remember that actually it was a whole speech the two yeah, yeah, totally. So then six days after that, after they got in compromise Twenty-nine machines at the triple C. They gained access to the DNC network using a VPN connection between the triple C and the DNC way to build a firewall Democrats. Democrats can't either networks so unit two six one six five. They were able to compromise more than thirty DNC machines including the mail server in the shared file server big ones, and they did that in about three weeks. They found a VPN that connected the two networks. Oh my God. I can't ended just yeah, that's crazy. Then underpants be called implantation of malware, so they have the access. Now, they're now they're gonna lay their eggs, and they use two types of software malware to do this called X agent and ex tunnel. They also had Mimi cats, which is a credential, harvesting tool, and maybe cats committed Keady and rar ESE, all of these names are just entirely that only trolls deal this shoot fancy bear. Mimi cat in rar. Yeah. And a tool that compresses for ex- ex-. Right. Right. Makes it small little sound that Mimi cats. Make. Yeah. Dot USC is those vacuum sealed bags. You know, it's like going steel bunch close, and then use in nice, and so you lay the X tunnel down. Okay. And then you go in with exigent you break in with agent. You then you use. Use me cats to get all the data and then you use a vacuum bag to seal it all and make it tiny and then you stick it through the tunnel to get it out that can be an infomercial. I've seen act now. Totally. So anyway, that's ex- tunnel is a hacking tool. Like I said that created the encrypted connection between the victim d triple c and DNC machines and the GRU computers. That's the tunnel. And it allows for large data transfer so GRU used x tunnels, the exit route. And again, rar compressed at all for transport also think a little human centipede my friends, that's probably not the best example. All the elements or there. Yeah. It's just one tunnel though, onto that way, human centipede, well, creating one out what have many onum tunnel. I don't think that should've been allowed to be made. I know freedom of speech glad they really heavy. Yeah. Tusk. I was just going to say that's just brilliant, because then everyone's talking about it and referencing issue here, we are simple concept. But some filth in it. Americans fetishes. Can't even. Ooh. And now you have tusk and what a weird movie. But, you know that isn't nightmarish to be like, go to as a journalist to go to report somebody, and then he'd drugs, you and removes your legs and turns you into a walrus. Yeah. Yeah. It's freaky. Anyway, that's ex- tunnel. So the. The. On the beach thirty nine where Moeller says the to operate ex-agent next tunnel to six one six five set a group of computers to communicate with the implanted malware, the first known as the middle servers, one simply does not just walk into the middle servers sent received messages to and from malware on the networks, the middle servers, then sent messages to a secondary set of computers called the AMS panel, which served as the nerve center through, which GR you would monitor and direct them. Our operation probably the me cat stuff on the networks. Then there's an interesting footnote number one twenty six says, quote in connection with these intrusions GRU, used computers that at least from third party providers located all over the world and Muller found rental agreements and payments for computers, located among other places, redacted now this reduction says it's for investigative technique. So I, I thought this might have read Muller found rental agreements payments for computers in Prague. But I think jumped I was abusing my jumping to conclusions Matt on that one, because I feel like that would be ridiculous. Acted because of an open and ongoing matter. So really can't guess what this is about other than, you know, maybe that's another way that they were sticking them out. You know that how how, how did the molar learn that these rental agreements and computers into, like interstitial. Computers were being rented in these third party countries. So he knew how to find that out. He's probably got away in two seconds. Maybe there's a there's a person trying not to reveal that was like or technique. Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Training elation of data. Yeah. Or just smell it. Smell wires this one smells like. Russia. I don't know what Russia's. I'm just amazed at what technology can do. It's crazy that they can achieve this. Yeah. And I'd be really interested to see whether the FBI is technology is super advanced or really clunky and they just get lucky. Well, yeah, I wonder I bet it's super advanced level, too. Yeah, you would hope so. But I've also inputting they can't even crack apple iphones. They can't they don't want. You think? Someone. Correct me if I'm wrong police listeners or who people say next to me right now, but I feel like more basic systems while they're more basic. And there's definitely downsides to that. They're also harder to hack into very true. I think that's why a lot of people use Lennox dos vs. There's fewer fewer moving parts. And so it's easier to secure. Yes. Ports of entry, because where you've got all these user interfaces stacked on top of user interfaces, each one that had each one that's there. And in each within each interveiws in between each interface. You've got all these vulnerabilities totally. It's like moving parts, right? Yeah. Volkswagen so much from the sixties so much easier to fix than. Yeah. My ceylon. Yeah. That's why a house has, like one door at max, too. Was your house have walls? You're gonna let all the immigrants in. Let's see where where we page. Thirty nine now it says the AM s panel used to control. Ex-agent was housed unleased on a computer located near redacted. Zona. Play somewhere. We wanna forget about ourselves, and then just don't even come here. They Trump redacted air. I'm sure there's definitely a show like that focuses people off the grid. They're fully got all the redacted. Yeah. Mess. Electoral votes from from redacted Arizona. Yeah. And then the whole rest of the pages redacted the footnotes of the reductions, referencing the GRU hacking indictment, and it's all redacted for investigative techniques. So it's just more stuff that they know how to do that. They don't want anyone to know that they know how to do it. Then I'm forty continue saying era Zona based panel also stored thousands of files with key logging sessions, captured by ex-agent that include passwords international communications between employees banking information and sensitive personal information then onto underpants. See so we've got the initial access. Then we've got the land the eggs, and now the theft, so many underpants Villiers. And this basically, outlines how they stole two six one six five thousands of documents, including str- internal strategy documents fundraising data opposition research, and emails from the boxes of DNC employees. Right. They began stealing pretty much right away, within three days of initial access their downloaded their rar dot e compression, malware, and the next day they searched. A compromise machine for key terms like Hillary DNC crews and Trump on April twenty fifth they collected and compress the data Muller says the GRU, compressed exfiltrated over seventy gigs from that file server, do you think cruises in there, because that's who they thought was Trump's biggest contender yet. So they were getting up research on cruise op research on Trump. And then whatever the find on Hiller. I hate that he gets that much credit right? Lying. Ted Cruz, I forgot his slogan already member jab jab was solid. But, like what was Chris Jeb slogan, Jeb? It was just with an exclamation slogan. Remember what his campaign? No, I don't remember either just cruising zodiac killer. If you're gonna do Jeb versus cruise cruise makes way more sense. Verb. Go for it. Totally. All right. So. Same story for the DNC, by the way. Russians began stealing stuff as early as April twenty second copying files from the DNC control computers, including the DNC's op research on Trump. Which right that right there makes him compromised end of story. And I'm sure that the counterintelligence, you know, forty co located FBI agents that were taken all the counterintelligence stuff ova, and they immediately wrote up a giant report sent that to headquarters, h q FBI HQ because now Russia has opposition research on Trump mid, as we know the entire counterintelligence investigation appears to be missing as mata- would say, it's gone walkies. This is the one McCabe set up in such a way. So as not to allow it to disappear quietly, or at least without paper trail, we just don't know where it is. I asked mccabe's like I don't know man. Shift threatened to hold bar in contempt for not handing over the counter intelligence information this week or last week and bar caved and hearings on counterintelligence. Begin next week in the house. Apparently the department of Justice is starting started handing over counterintelligence. That's really interesting to me. I wonder if the offer of that information by the Justice department because basically, what bar did is he said, please don't home confirmed. We'll give you counterintelligence. And they were like no, we're gonna hold you. Okay. Okay. I'll give it to you just like a total nine year old moment. But I wonder if him offering that information to congress destroys their argument that congress legally doesn't have, you know, doesn't get to have it right. Because if offered it to them now in exchange for stopping the content votes, how can bar- arguing illegal for the committee to have that information. They might have shot themselves in the foot legally, not literally that would be Dick Cheney. And the face then between may twentieth and June first. They access the DNC's mail server from GRU control, computer, at least in the US and during those connections to six one six five stole thousands of emails, which were later released by WikiLeaks. That's when that was stolen between may twenty fifth and June first, and they were released in July, so they held onto quite a while, which is, again, just proof of the weaponising, the timing of the releases on page, forty one part B dissemination of the hack materials. This is how the G R U I used DC leaks Gucci for to disseminate, their stolen documents. We know most of this from public reporting, two six one six five bought DC dot com. Using bitcoin, and that's where they house, the stolen material most of the documents on DC leaks seemed to be from emails and not the DNC and d triple c servers networks. They also set up a Facebook DC leaks page invited. Maybe I always think marvel versus DC. And a g mail account. They said of a g mail account to and a Twitter account Russia used these personas to give US media access to their archives by sending them links and passwords. DC leaks was shut down March twenty seventeen took that long. Why the hell would trust them, sending you a log into something like? But if you're if you're a reporter you're gonna go look at it. Yeah. I guess so. I would just assume everything. Yeah. That they didn't know what was going on at the time. But no. Or even if a Russian send you a link to stolen Hillary emails, and your journalist. That's what you do you go in. You get it. And you publish it. Yeah. That's and that's why they shouldn't be able to be charged for espionage for that. Yeah. Totally. I will, I guess, I would assume that maybe given the nature of all of the timing, they would think I'm sure they did think about it. I'm sure it wasn't key dude immediately. Sure they looked into some of the other events that were happening around the time in mid a cost benefit analysis. But what I would have done is I would've published the stuff because it's. News. And then I would have alerted authorities. Yeah. Or probably in reverse order. Yeah. Note, probably other. It's always better to ask for forgiveness than permission, totally. Number one rule. I learned in the navy. Yeah. Then there's Guja for two point. Oh, which is pronounced Gucci because it's a combination of Gucci and Lucifer I could see goose for. But yeah, I like products Prodon. God product. That's sounds gross. So GRU officers created Guja for two point. Oh, not, it's not a Romanian using a WordPress, blog and published it. I it's published its first post attributing, the DNC hacked to, again, the lone remaining hacker and using words and phrases like aluminum and worldwide known which they had Google right before, then and Muller had the evidence of that, like, the Google, what are conspiracy theory words. Wow. Because they know conspiracy theorists gullible. Right. And this is the same day Guja for two point. Oh, began releasing stolen documents, same day from d DNC and Andy triple damn the GR. You also used Guja for two point. Oh, two released documents directly to reporters, and then we remember this when Guja for two point. Oh, transferred about two point five gigabytes of Florida related data stolen from the d triple c to US blogger covering Florida politics. I do remember when the happen, we reported on it was like, episode nineteen or something on page, forty four Miller says the you was in contact through the for a persona with redacted a former Trump. Campaign member redacted. It's all redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. I'm going to go ahead and say, this is stone. Yeah. Like an umbrella for all these. Is the catchall then onto upset shit. And I hate it. He does then he's like, I'm not famous for it, but it was I'm so famous look I mentioned in the indictment. And then he tries to argue to get himself on related to the Russian indictment, because he doesn't want judge Jackson. Yeah. And she's like, no, no, no. You can't have both. Well, you can't go around bragging that you're connected to this. And then come around bummed out for him to be. Yeah. It would make more sense of healing split personality disorder. But I think it's just their strategy. They're just like deflating inflating, their assets, and then, like claiming their famous but really I'm not famous. Yeah. One giant piece of shit person. Yeah. That's for sure then onto the WikiLeaks. And we know that setting up your own dissemination network isn't as effective as using an existing infrastructure that has massive recognition and here Muller, establishes this, and that Assange hated Hillary and the Democrats, and in March of two thousand sixteen Wicky leaks released a searchable archive of thirty thousand Clinton emails obtained during a foia request so GRU. That's another argument you could use in the Assange espionage case. If you know, if that media outlet WikiLeaks is able to make a successful foia requests that strengthens and emboldens their justification or their characterization of being legitimate media outlet, even though you don't have to be a media outlet foia. Request that's for some ways, like a one way out for them. I don't know why it works that way. But it does that like any citizen could do that. Yeah, I could get a request if I wanted to. Well, I guess, we're part of a journalistic media outlet so to speak, but US citizen, though, right? Or no. Can you be a global citizen? I don't know. That's a good question global citizen alien comes in requested, like now I'm starting little. Global interstellar guys are like we like fine. We already knew the answer, just wanted to see what you'd say, can't read this language, but I can see what's happening tomorrow. So anyway, they got the thirty thousand emails obtained a foia requests so GR reached out and said, hey, yo you got on Hillary yo we got Hillary. Oh, let's do this together, yo and funnily enough, WikiLeaks reached out to Guja for after it published. It should on Clinton saying, hey want help? Hey, we're WikiLeaks. We can get it to a wider audience. Hey, that's my that's their slogan. Nice weekly. Hey, then, on July sixth WikiLeaks, contact Guja for again, saying, hey, if you got anything on Hillary, we want it in the next two days, because the DNC is approaching that's the democratic national convention is approaching, and she will solidify Bernie supporters behind her. We think Trump only has a twenty five percent chance of winning against Hillary. So a conflict between Hillary and Bernie could be interesting. Yeah, the Bernier bus people Bernie broS. Yeah. Big beans. This confirms Russia used Bernie, to split the democratic electorate, and they were strategically timing. The dumps as well. That's so interesting, though. Sorry to interrupt. But for the theory was that, like, so many people repeat this theory that if it was Bernie against Trump, he would have won. So to know that their figures were that she was much more likely to win against him. Might have been part of the propaganda. Yeah. Probably to tell Bernie supporters that Bernie would be Trump or and then afterwards as well. Yes. Knowing Bernie's probably gonna run again. Yeah. I think there are some merit to that. Argument, though, just on the basis of it being a populist year Bernie. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm surprised that they said Trump only had I mean who knows maybe only had a five percent chance of winning feels against birdie. That would have been there figure give point. And just because the Russians say it doesn't mean it's a lie. Yeah. It they're just promoting it to, you know, make you think these things now a lot of it is, there are a lot of is not true things, but whatever helps her agenda, whether it's factor, you know, they'll use it. Yeah. So the point isn't so much, you know, the Russians to make us believe ally as much as the Russians interfere in our fucking election. Yeah. Appealing to our individual psychographic nature's. They used that whole Cy ups and black, Hugh Zamel, and the August third meeting to find out through Facebook with all that stolen data. Yep. Thanks guys, then more talks about the GRU transferring, the stolen material to WikiLeaks and opens up this section saying, both thought to hide their communications, which has limited this office's ability to collect all of the communications between them thus. Quote. Although it is clear that the stolen DNC impetus documents were transferred from GR you'd WikiLeaks. Then the rest of the sentences redacted ah, probably what it says that we couldn't find that connective tissue because they were unable to track the transfer because later on it says that the GRU used a Ghafur mail to send WikiLeaks and Email with the subject, big archive new attempt with an encrypted attachment. So new attend to is new to this. Yeah. New bear. I'm not fancy bear. I'm just regular old bear now. So maybe that redacted bid is saying because of the encryption, we can't establish these emails, we're used or exactly how the documents got from GRU to WikiLeaks. But we know they did. And I don't know why that's redacted there for, I think, as redacted me unable to track transfer investigative technique interesting. Yeah. Again with strategies. Yeah. It's probably like, here's an investigative techniques use that failed. Oh, or we tried to use this usually successful and we couldn't because they encrypted and, and hid there, and they don't wanna reveal because the make them vulnerable, even if they failed it's still only me probably tracking criminals. Well, I don't want to let anybody know that we know how to catch you. If you're not trying to hide so hard or they don't or they probably are trying to say, you know, we don't want you to know that our technique can be foiled by you encrypting your communications that would make more sense. Either way, it's, it's probably got something to do with that. And then more goes on to describe all the Email back and forth and Twitter communications and concludes saying that the office cannot rule out that the stolen documents were transferred to Wicky through intermediaries, who visited during the summer of two thousand sixteen for example, public reporting, identified Andrew Muller Mugune. Just love that name. Andrew Mullen, goon, I and WikiLeaks associate who may have assisted with the transfer of these stolen documents. And remember, we have recent reporting that Russian hacking operation, hubs, were found in Prague, and that one of choline. Cell phones was around Prague in the summer of two thousand sixteen just visiting vacation, but most of these reductions in the section for investigative techniques. So I could be way off on that. And it's not a non going matter. But right Coen's already closed matter. It just might still be redacted. I used to want to make a movie where Cohen takes progress, and I just wanted to be his phone, the movie posers, just this phone in Prague, but it's got like his hair and a badge and for some reason, that's how you know it's nice hat fedora. Bright plaid. Seventies coat cool, bro coup story. And then, you know, you can have a man of phone with an ostrich jacket. Whole whole series of old flip phones with shitty jackets. Yeah. I dig it like drug dealer phones. The burners from cricket that your mom has. Yeah. Not your mom. My mom. She still can't taxed or she won't I texted at one time. And she just every time I do she immediately calls me don't do that. She wants a phone call. It's pretty great. And I think she's just doesn't like triple typing because she's on that old fucking flip phone moms can't tank, you know, she cannot onto page forty eight Muller sums up the dissemination of hack material saying, October seventh WikiLeaks released the pedestrian emails and in total. They released thirty three tranches of stolen emails between then and November seventh that's one month leading up to the election, including private speeches, given by Clinton international communications between Podesta and other high ranking members of the campaign, and correspondence related to the Clinton foundation, isn't a private speech, just a conversation. I think what they're talking about remember what she did that just getting Goldman Sachs yet when she gets paid a fucked, and we all have we all had those two were like all her behold into the Wall Street and. In total WikiLeaks released over fifty thousand documents stolen just from pedestrian Email account alone. Then we get to the disinflation campaign launched by WikiLeaks Assange blames murdered DNC staffers Seth rich for being the source of the leaks. Not, not Russia stealing. Seth stole and leaked. And this story is really tragic, because all these rumors that were then amplified by Russia, that rich was murdered by Hillary for leaking stolen material to WikiLeaks Assange continued this nutjob bullshit. Rumor even after the US intelligence agencies determined Russia hack the DNC, and we have all this proof read those. Well, you don't have to. But I wish some Trump supporters would read those Russian diamonds Miller doesn't go into any US persons, retweeting, or continuing. The Seth rich conspiracy. Though he simply does discuss the origins of the rumors as being Assange is good to now. At least. Yeah. Section seem additional GRU cyber operations and this is most. Peripheral peripheral targets and victims of Russia hacking, including that, you know within five hours of Trump saying Russia, if you listening hope you find the three thousand miles through missing GRU offers. And I don't think he quotes, that in Muller doesn't quote that in the report knows that we need to be asked for them. And you know, we just know what that is. Yeah. GRU officers, targeted Clinton's personal office within hours by sending spear phishing emails targeting fifteen Email accounts, and Redan, redacted domain, redacted Clinton aide. And this very important sentence is he says, quote, the investigation did not find evidence of earlier, GRU attempts to compromise accounts hosted on this domain. It is unclear how the G was able to identify these Email accounts, which were not public, there's a footnote for that sentence, but his redacted for investigative techniques, and here we go again, because basically, what they're saying is our stakeout to, to find out what they were looking at didn't work because we these were all new, and we never seen him before. And we didn't know they were coming. Or we can't go back and see how they got got them. So we want you to know that, you know, basically, we don't want to REVEAL OUR investigative techniques for that. Yeah. Makes sense. This section also talks about the GRU hacking, and stealing three hundred gigabytes data from the DNC cloud-based account. I cloud fine. My phone brag then in part, two of other GRU ops. It's part called other GRU ops in it covers the intrusions targeting targeting the administration of US elections. This is to say the US state, and local entities state boards of election. Secretaries of state and county governments along with individuals employed by those entities. They also went after private tech firms, such as voter registration software and electric polling stations polling station stats insane. Yeah. And that's why Jennifer cone is so big about the hand marked paper ballots. Yeah, you have to have an auditable trail and that shouldn't be privatized. Also ever. Yeah. I mean, what's the government going to build them? Put windows ninety five on them. Yeah. Dan, it just makes it harder on them clearly because it's other unregulated entities that are doing these things that can be hacked and affect the public sphere, which to higher Sweden to make them. Yeah. I like this weeded neutral. Yeah, that's true. I guess, well, if they have government contracts, try imagine. They do even though they're private firms, they would have some sort of regulation over them, but it doesn't sound like they do. Yeah. But there's also price them rule that, that would be somehow a foreign entity being part of our elections. Yeah, it goes both ways as well. Yeah. No. I was just talking about domestic private. Right. So then get this molar says while he knows Russians attacked polling stations and voter rolls. He did not investigate that the office. Quote understands that the FBI the US department of homeland security and the states have separately investigated that activity. So he left it up to fuck in Kirstin, Jill Kirstin. What's her name? Neilson neilson. Yeah. The FBI under, you know, Trump and the states, the state, governments, I thought Muller was looking into whether or not Russia successfully manipulated the actual vote, and he did not it's not part of it. We do know the FBI's questioning or had has questioned to Santa's and Rick Scott of Florida who denied they were hacked and have found out recently to counties and Washington county in Florida were breached God. But to Santa's claims he knows nothing about the FBI won't tell us which counties were hacked in the governor says the FBI made him sign an NDA saying he wasn't allowed to say, and if the victims being the county's not the voters wanted to disclose themselves. They could keep in mind because of the shame out the voters hacked. I guess I don't understand. And he's calling them hacks. I dunno. It's supposed to be like a bad thing. Yeah. It's dumb. He's done, but the antecedents but keep in mind. This is Trump's FBI like I said, under bar now, letting letting slip which were hacked. And how wouldn't be good for them, considering they probably need these illegal activities. To to win twenty twenty. We already know that the Trump campaign welcomed Russian interference and is that's outlined in this report. So there's no reason to think they wouldn't welcome it again, if not encourage it, then the GRU found vulnerabilities in more than two dozen state board of election websites, and we're able to gain access to millions of registered voters Muller us Illinois, as one example where the GR you got access to information on millions of Illinois voters, and was able to extract that data for thousands of US voters before the militias activity was even identified finally Miller talks about the voter rolls and how seven four five five Spearfish its way into account used by Florida county officials responsible for administering the election, the emails contained a Trojan virus and Miller tells us here that the F B I separately, is separately, investigating that and says he believes the operation enabled the GR you to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government. Washington county, the officials quote the officials did not verify that as explained above. We did not undertake the investigational steps invest. Active steps that would have been necessary to do so. Well, I mean, I get that he did a lot of research, that's useful and super important, but he really passed a lot onto congress. And these other investigations like more than I even realized so he kept a scope very, very narrow and that may have been also, I don't know. I saw some of the jurisdiction memos or the scope memos from Rosenstein that might have been by design because member Rosenstein promised he'd land, the plane, so maybe he narrowed it, you know him. Maybe he knew that they were going to shut them down prematurely. So he had to pass the buck for all these things now this past on earlier pointing, but yeah, who knows. I mean, well, and we're probably never know keep my head of life. All right. Onto page fifty two part, d Trump campaign in the dissemination of hack materials and this gets juicy, but it's also where it's pretty much all redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. And sixty grand jury stuff there's only a little bit of that. So allow me to read this part, quote the Trump campaign showed interest in WikiLeaks release of hack materials throughout the summer, and fall, twenty sixteen. Then there's a redacted paragraph. Part one redacted section a background redacted section B contacts with the campaign about WikiLeaks redacted, then we get on June twelfth Assange claimed in a television interview to have emails, relating to Clinton, which were pending publication, but provided no other context in debriefings with the Miller team. Former deputy campaign chairman, Rick gates, said that redacted paragraph. Why would something associated with Rick gates be part of an ongoing matter and have to do with Wiki leaks? Well, if you remember and we have reported that there have been in there also have been public reports not just us. We didn't scoop this, but including the stone indictment says this is well, the Trump campaign official was, there was a Trump camping pain, official directed to talk with stone about further WikiLeaks releases and stone said he thought it was Rick gates. But then stone says gates is lying. I never spoke with him about this matter. I never spoke to Ricketts, but I'm mindful of the special counsels ability to induce people to save things that aren't true. Particularly people seeking a reduction in there. The crap I know such a dick two weeks ago. We put beans on gates being involved in the ongoing stone matter. Then we learned in gates, his most recent sentencing hearing that he is, in fact, a witness in the stone trial, along with the Greg, Craig trial in, in every gates sentencing hearing up until recently, it's been postponed five times. I think this is the sixth time they postponed it, they push back sentencing due to cooperation in to ongoing matters. But those were redacted but now the Miller report is out. So they feel free to say it's these two things it's, Gregory, Craig and the stone trial and Greg Craig's trial begins in August and stone is November fifth so we'll look out for that. And then another redacted paragraph, and then it goes on to say gates recalled Trump being generally frustrated that the Clinton emails had not been found Paul Manafort, who would later become campaign chairman, paragraph redacted here and the footnote for that information is redacted as grand jury material. This is probably the part where Manafort toll gates to tell stone to reach out to. Wikileaks. Yeah. That's part of the ongoing stone matter, as well as the gate stuff. Maybe something useful. We got outta Manafort. Hey, how's Rikers? Yeah. Then we get into Cohen who told molar that he recalled an incident where he was in Trump's office in Trump Tower and paragraph. Redacted Cohen also told the office that after WikiLeaks released, July twenty sixteen Trump said something to the effect of redacted, Dan. I think we know what these are now. Yeah. Hanger the co and files. I think what happened was using office at Trump Tower and Trump had said something about, you know, the emails and a meeting, and then also for the Trump's at something to the effect of WikiLeaks. I love Wiki leaks. We need more stuff or some shit like oh, that's right. Yeah. Now cones matters over. So this could be a stone stuff who knows Trump could be implicated in that trial. We don't up. But then we have another redacted sentence, followed by gates telling Muller that Manafort was excited about the release of redacted. Release of Star Wars. LSU game of thrones didn't Star Wars. And the Manafort told molar that shortly after the July twenty second release from WikiLeaks. He spoke to Trump and redacted, Manafort, also redacted wanted to be kept apprised of any developments. With WikiLeaks separately told gates to keep in touch with redacted about future releases. So there you go. Manafort told gates to keep in touch with stone and Wicky leaks. Right. And also Kalinic could be in here too, because if you remember the polling data situation gates was the one who is killed. Diane spill those beings Gibson, untold Muller that by the end of summer twenty sixteen. They were planning the possible release of Clinton emails by WikiLeaks and then a redacted sentence. And then it says while Trump and gates were driving to LaGuardia redacted redacted. And then shortly after the call Trump told gates that more releases of information becoming so somebody called Trump and said, more WikiLeaks is coming. Yeah. And then he told who did he talk gates? No. Yeah. Right after that. Yep. Gates. Rush sitting right next to him in the car. Hey, just got off the phone with redacted. There's more WikiLeaks dumps coming stone totally stone. This is insane. So Trump got a call from someone directly. And so there's all that and we have a couple of redacted paragraphs on page fifty four with a little blip in the middle. That says, of course he is an author who holds a doctorate in political science in two thousand sixteen Coursey also worked for the media outlet world net daily WMD not M D, but and also marks the end of the world, probably. The weapons and net destruction, then a bunch more reactions. And then another blip says Coursey told the office Miller's office during the interviews that he must have previously discussed Assange with Malik Malik, then there's a grand jury reduction, followed by according to Malik. Which means Malik spoke to the grand jury. Yeah. And of course, he asked him to put him in touch with us on. Right. Malik recalled Corsi suggesting that individuals in the orbit of Nigel. Farraj might be able to contact Assange on his behalf and asked Malik. Hey, buddy? Do you know do you know them? Malik farraj. Can you get me the hookup to WikiLeaks? Malik city think about it, but never made the attempt to connect Coursey with such beings come true. As reported last November Malik was asked by Coursey to put him in touch with us on. And it also came out in the draft plea agreement that Coursey gave to the press. Yeah. That backfired will bit that said he rejected, you know, because he, I don't wanna do the plea agreement. He's told me to lie today. Of course, he has not been die. Dated or signed another plea agreement that we know of he is however, suing Muller, the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and the NSA for a bunch of nonsense, including accusing Muller of forcing them to provide false testimony and put your crazy in multiple baskets. Yeah. Yeah. Spread it out diversify. I'm certain that case will be dismissed, but as of this recording still ongoing and this to me what the sounds like this just sounds like Coursey heard Trump say help me get the emails from WikiLeaks and courses China's best with his lame ass. Friends to like get into WikiLeaks and everyone's like half out of here. FU this man. Yeah. Yeah. You can't sit with us. You can't wear hoops. And he and he's come on, man. Just help me out. I know these guys. Hey, hey, Ted Malik. Do you think you can get it from Farraj to give me up WikiLeaks leading all these paper trails for nothing? You think I'm gonna put you in touch with the head of, you know can't collusion. Yeah. I think you so that you can go back down to talk to us on stones already got this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this kind of born out because Malcolm, course he had a couple of FaceTime discussions. Yuck. And then there's a redacted part said, then followed up by the sentence had made a connection to Assange and the hacked e mails, a Padeshah would be released prior to the election day, and it would be helpful to Trump and that stone and in conversation in August or September twenty sixteen. Of course, he told Malik that the release of the pedestrian emails was going to put us in the driver seat. We're going to be in the driver's seat. He has anything to do with it, and then the rest of the page and the entire next page redacted but on page fifty eight. The report briefly mentions the access Hollywood video and that less than an hour later WikiLeaks released the stolen Podesta emails. Then there's a couple of paragraphs, followed by course, he said that because he had no direct means of communicating with WikiLeaks. He told members of the news site WMD to reach Assange, so now he's going to his old buddies at the world network news. Dick heads. Whatever WMD stands for. It's already scrolled past areas. Hey, can you give me it? You know, you can you ask him out for me, and they're like out of here, and then collude with me? Yes or no? Maybe of course, the actually claimed to Muller that the pressure was enormous and, and recalled telling WMD that the access Hollywood tape was coming. Of course, he told him he was sure that his efforts were the ones that caused WikiLeaks to release the emails when they did. But Muller found that course he was making that shit up and he was unable to find the course he was the one who got WikiLeaks to dump. Within an hour of the access Hollywood tape. I think this is just saying it wasn't Coursey. It was stone a footnote, even says Coursey told molar maybe one of his tweets what got WikiLeaks to release emails, but Muller went and he couldn't find any tweets. They're not. That's great. These people must have been so miserable as teenage boys, just so fucking insecure to be around, because they just want the credit they so badly. Just wanna be so relevant. Yeah. And earn the credit they want. It's so ridiculous. It was me. I did it and then they're going to have to wreak havoc now in sue all the intelligence agencies for them investigating you for doing something you were trying to do, but are too stupid consequential to actually do. Yeah. Another. But, like I'm just telling you to say that it had nothing to do with you. And then you're telling me, I'm forcing you to lie, right? Like, I think like board privileged people will be the death of I'm trying to make you come out and say, you didn't have sex with Angela in the ninth grade. You're insisting that you did, even though Angela doesn't even know who you are. Are and you're doing me because you're trying to get me to lie or I'm trying to get you to lie about not having slept with imagine. Wayne, the cop, or the lawyer that was trying to prosecute you like if they were molar like they must really either think he the shitty guy, or they feel so privileged, that they're like, I can just do this, because it doesn't matter. I'm that rich on that important. It's like just the audacity alone. Drives me crazy. Oh, there's a third option. Just throw anything against the wall. Yeah. Desparation that Leo, the diversify. Yeah. But they did all this before they remain prosecute it too. I'm like, DWI, even stir up all this drama. Like, why are you? So greedy Trump does it all the time. And then he doesn't because he'd have to depose. Then we get to subsection E ON fifty nine page fifty nine called Donald Trump junior's interactions with WikiLeaks, and it starts with a guy named Jason fish bean, put some fish beans on it, sending WikiLeaks password for an unleashed, anti-trump website called Putin. Trump dot org. Shortly after WikiLeaks tweeted about it, and then tweeted the password out, then WikiLeaks sent junior direct message saying, hey, checkout Putin. Trump dot org. Here's the here's the password. I guessed it myself even though fish being Senate to them. And then gave junior, the password told him to find out or asked him to find out who was behind it several hours later junior sent an Email to a bunch of Trump campaign staffs in hey guys, guys Twitter DM from WikiLeaks look below I tried to password and worked, and the about section the reference contains the next pick in terms of who's behind it. Not sure if this is anything, but it seems like it really is Wicky leaks asking me as I follow them. And it's a D M do you know the people mentioned, and by what the conspiracy, they could be looking? For could be he can't. These are just screen shots, but it's a fully built out page claiming to be a pack. Let me know if you want me to look into later pal late junior. L eight late. Why do not go to the FBI at this point? Well, I mean when you're Trump and the house even proposed a Bill this week, requiring folks have to contact the F B I before an adversary, contact them to help interfere in the election. But the Republicans said, no did they tell them like about them, potentially being approached by Russians before or after this interaction before. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Special and he doesn't mention that in here either. There are a few other communications listed here that we knew about including the Hillary drone strike thing that junior retweeted and the messages, where WikiLeaks tells him to tell Trump to re tweet the document dumps they told junior when they release part for the pedestrian emails in two days later junior, re tweeted, the link makes you wonder why junior wasn't charged with eighteen counts. Espionage for distributing stolen classified material. Onto it makes me think, though, that it's not gonna go down like that with us on JR. Because otherwise, they would have to charge someone like Donald Trump junior. Do you have to charge anyone who did it because it doesn't delineate you know? Yeah. Whether you're media outlet fake media outlet, an asshole media. I'll just an asshole or a nice person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess they're just going to get their ass handed to them for not doing that then for not applying Justice, everybody. So it's not whatever happens if that is what they're trying to do. It's not gonna go far. Yeah. I agree then onto page sixty one subsection two called other potential campaign interest in Russian hacked materials. And this part is about all the other folks that went after Hillary's emails on their own underpants. A is about Henry sqi or Henry Greenberg. And we reported on this weirdo last year, he showed at we're like cargo shorts and a Hawaiian shirt, the guy Caputo had his heard that he had dirt on Hillary and set up a meeting with Roger stone in him. And oaken ski showed up with a dude named raisin Ukrainian associate involved in Florida real estate. No, raise an offer to sell stone dirt on Clinton including proof. She laundered money with one of raisins companies. So, like he he's also a criminal stone asked if it was millions. She laundered and raisins said, more like hundreds of thousands and stone was like Nabucco cool. Trump's not gonna pay for hundreds of thousands so Greenberg told Miller that raisin was financially motivated, and tried to shop his shit around a bunch of folks Muller found no connection between raisin and Trump says a Rando, I wonder said they said, no, because they're like, we know how much evidence is publicly available of money that we've laundered, and if it doesn't exceed that, then we don't want it. Like, I got you beat, bro. Yeah. You only Leonard hundreds of thousands Clinton. We got billions. Yeah. More says, though that Caputo and Greenberg had conflicting statements Greenberg. This is the Hawaiian shirt guy said, Caputo accompanied stone to the meeting. But Caputo said he wasn't there at all was never told, what Greenberg offered Muller, couldn't find raisin, which might be why Caputo wasn't charged with lying, because, you know, or Greenberg because you have to have some sort of backing up evidence to this, and there you go couldn't get a hold of people, right, subsection b describes the other campaign efforts to obtain emails, and this about Barbara Ledin and Peter Smith. Flynn told Muller that Trump asked him multiple times, to get the Hillary emails and Flint, contacted multiple people in that effort if you remember a long time ago, and no one believed Peter Smith was actually contacted by Flynn, like he would just making shit up, but he wasn't deed and beans came true, at least according to Flynn and now we know that thanks to recently unredacted Flynn sentencing memoranda that Flynn was indeed asked by Trump to get Hillary's emails. In a recent court hearing judge Emmet Sullivan, who is the judge overseeing the Flynn case ordered the public release of all redacted. Muller report information regarding Flynn are related to Flynn, along with transcripts of his conversations with Kislyak during the transition and the tape of the voicemail from Trump's lawyer Dowd, to Flynn's lawyer and van grant and Jessie Liu in the US attorney's office in DC objected to releasing, well, they printed out the voicemail Dowd's voicemail, which was just a hey, if you know it's good for you. You tell us and otherwise, I'm going to go back until Trump. You don't like him witness tampering and dangling a pardon. But he, they did object to Solan releasing the Kislyak conversations. And they said regarding the report, you have it all except for grand jury material. And so Flynn did apparently contact Peter Smith to help find the Clinton emails and was directed to do so by someone in the Trump campaign, and we just found out today Soligan. Has he's not mad about it about them not releasing not following his order. He's like, all right. Then he didn't give a reason why. So to me that says that those Kislyak conversations there's probably more than two. The government's never publicly acknowledged they exist. And so they're probably super classified or they have something to do with the Fisk or Feis, and there's other stuff in there maybe related to an ongoing matter or super class so super classified that there's just no way. And so somebody probably came up to celebrate and went Spro classified Fisk. And he's like, oh, all right. Cool. I accept your weird ass, you know, because that was a weird objection by Jesse. Lou and van and van graph used to be on the team. And now he's the head of the new faira investigation unit in the department of Justice. Yeah. I think of them in gross say crack again but like Graca name grown gra- van van band. Grech. So Barbara lead and started looking for Hillary's emails before Flynn, even contacted her as early as December twenty fifteen and reached out to Peter Smith and then went back and forth. But Smith decided not to work with her at that point, then Smith tried to get the emails himself and this, we know about because it, it was reported diligently on in our previous episodes, and in public reporting, he created the company k LS research, which is on our fancy indictment draft. He raised tens of thousands of dollars that were mysterious transactions he recruited security experts. He claimed he was in contact with hackers with ties to Russia, and that he was coordinating with the Trump campaign Peterson sent an Email about his efforts to Sam Clovis most of what Muller knows comes from Tate. Let's see if I can get this, right? So Boxin and saffron all of which we've discussed on the show all the way back to August of last year. August twenty team so a little background here. Peter Smith is a longtime old Republican operative. That's actively opposed the Clintons since the nineties, reportedly paying thousands of dollars. To promote stories about Bill Clinton's extramarital affairs. Matt Tate is a cyber security expert, suboxone was added to our fantasy indictment draft in March of two thousand eighteen for his appearance and Adam shifts minority report, and we covered him again briefly episodes, seventy one, the man for Megapode suboxone was the cosigner of Kayla's research, Peter, Smith's company, which also is in shifts minority report and on our draft and we, we reported he had been interviewed by Muller on three separate occasions and beans came true as we all know Peter Smith, though. He did commit suicide later that year with a note that read no foul play whatsoever. Sure. Why? That's the weirdest very strange. This is not how I'd I'd at all. Like, why would he care so much if that's not the way he died. I let us know that. Yeah, I still there's still a mystery. We've always been suspicious of it as was Matthew Miller. We had him on our life show Brooklyn. He was like, that's always been weird to me. So Smith was trying to recruit people to help them. Find Hillary's emails he created a pitch to recruit folks saying. He was working with the Trump campaign Flynn, Clovis Bannon, Kellyanne Conway. And also, of course, he leader then got back in touch with Smith at that point said she'd gotten a bunch of emails off the dark web. So leader took them to Eric prints, who hired a tech adviser to verify the emails turns out airi'q prince told Smith, they're not real. And that's the first I've heard of Eric prints being involved in this, but according to foot note prince's the one that told Muller about it molar eventually Miller eventually found that. Smith. Ledin and the other individuals were in contact with Russians. They were never able to obtain the Clinton emails, any real ones anyway. And I'd be interested to see if this is something else, prince lied to congress about in addition to his meeting into Seychelles, with Dmitry of Nater, because he told them it was happenstance meeting. But as we know, Nater, set it up. He just returned to the US and was arrested on multiple counts of transporting child pornography. What a cool guy. Yeah. Yeah. They were talking about foreign policy. Right. And there's a whole point of that. Yeah. The back door channels sanctions lifting moving forward. And this, of course, is the UAE IMB is a and Israel, so Siopas and black cube stuff. It's all just all sorts of things. We I mean, we've reported on it so extensively. I know Julius a you did a whole piece on black cube and weird shit, and Zamel who Nater paid two million dollars to after Trump won the election. But apparently they never used his services. It was just a two million dollar just two million tip for being bro. Yeah, yeah. Just give them the handshake with two million dollars. It is local. Totally or how comics get paid. Oh, yeah. Well, we get drinks mostly. Isn't that weird though? It's like the only two ways I've been paid like that. Like this do the handshake with the money in. It's nobody can see do drug dealer. How you pay a comedian? Right. Why they do that. They don't want the other comics is totally. Hey, look, you get paid but not you exactly. Yeah. I guess, so money funny anyway. Then we get the summary of the section from Muller saying, you know, GRU, hat Clinton, and Clinton's people, the DNC the triple C, stole shit set up fake accounts released it timed it hooked up with WikiLeaks released it through them. Molar also established that the Trump campaign, displayed an interest in WikiLeaks, and the releases and that redacted redacted something about Roger stone here. The evidence was sufficient to charge, GRU officers for their role in election hacking, then redacted sentence. And that's an interesting one because it's harm to an ongoing matter and context here would indicate that it's about whether or not Miller, heads, officiant evidence to charge someone in an ongoing matter which indicates he does, I guess that's stone or it could be those other peripheral Russian hackers that got into Hillary's account the, you know, those accounts that they never tried before we don't know. My guess is it's a statement about stone and how he was. Able to charge him with one count of obstruction. Five counts of lying one count of witness tampering and all that stuff is in these pages, but redacted, and it's still open. Yeah. One count of an awful hat. Step went up and wouldn't. So listen, we're episode about the indictment of Roger stone's really good one and redes- charging document like I said, if you get a chance read that Russian indictment, if you get a chance as well. 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The Adam22 Show #16: The Return Of The Simps

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The Adam22 Show #16: The Return Of The Simps

"We in this hurry here the twenty to show has returned. Ooh. That's what this is. I decided. Yeah. I wanna bring it back in. Okay. Let me tell you before we even get into anything. What, what I fucked up with, with doing that show before, is because I started to realize that if I got different girls to come on that, I get more views and then that, just corrupted, the whole thing because really, if I'm going to do a consistent podcast in needs to just be me and the homeys Kagan it, it could be a rotating cast of homeys and shit. But it needs to just be the boys talking shit going in Agri. That's how I feel about it anyway. So we have a couple of new faces to introduce right. Right away today. The first, well let's I introduced Chris long. Hi, I'm Chris long, I long we haven't seen him logs as yeah. He makes a lot of the dogs. He has a blunt in front of them right now. That's the size of a fuck and human Weiner. The best friend juice world. Good friend going on tour leaving tomorrow morning. You are for how long probably a couple of days crazy. Are you going to sleep in the same bed assume? It's likely a really you him and Allie Allie has been the middle. Yeah. Just all cuddled up. I love that. Okay. We could talk more about juice world later. But okay, so this cartesian. Oh, actually. No mexican. What's. What? Yes. Yeah. We all kind of assume that you were the you are white at a certain point, but you're looking person. Yeah. Really? The N word now here radically you'd never did never growing up. It never really seemed like the thing to do. I mean. I've probably said it'd before, but not like not with any seriousness. Okay. Fair enough. And so how, how do you know me, how do you know us? I met off Rato through writing BMX bikes and started working at the shop, and then kinda right before we moved to Melrose in our here. Okay. And you're from where Llandough California law nail. Okay. So if anybody's wondering where where this person was bred from. And so when exactly did people start going? You dick Lewis. In high school lost a bet. Also we didn't start this now. Okay. Your thought we started your honor this explanation. Okay. We didn't start this in high school. I was the bet. I've done remember what it was. But I had to change my Instagram for a week to Dickel this, and then I changed it back to what it was before. And then everyone just kept calling me Dikla. So I was like, oh my little goat, it like that is so funny. I never would have thought that okay? But so for for the record do you have a dick? Yes. Okay. Good to know. And so then we got to introduce our friend here, Austin Austin, our new friend who's actually our security guard security guard or muscle muscle. So where exactly are you from? I'm from Long Beach, Long Beach. Okay. And. Yeah. What was your upbringing like in Long Beach? I actually have I'm asking you this for the first time because I actually don't know these things about you. So is interesting. As little mix, like half mile, half my life grew up in like Lakewood. Sri does when my grandparents stay, and then my mom move to Long Beach when twelve where in Long Beach on twenty third. Earl so it was a hood was a nice really my, you know, auto ever started with twenty first. Okay. That's a street up from me. All right. Like a street up in one street over. So it was going down here. We were you getting it in, like crazy mistakes trouble for most part football. So it was really like the high school. And when she wants to poly, it's like a big sport school poly, with all the fucking yellow benches everywhere we used to go ride BMX all the time. Now. Absolutely. I played football. They're in it will just, you know there was played on the team that Bank. It wouldn't really nothing. Crazy goes like football, you're nicest. Hell football is really. Did you do in college, too or into break? Malate really in high school college all shit. I year year. By really bad. Yeah. Like eight months, like can't walk a crutches for Ayla. What happened? Just got fucking piledriver oftens lies. I I was playing tackle on. He goes, no, and those blocking and do running back got tackled, by the do came from behind him in like rolled over you. And like into the back mother of I caught me. Underneath. And it was like I tried like stand get up and lake flop over. So that was the end of your football dreams. Yeah. I mean, it was just like like a, like a crazy time, like eight months. You can't do now. Like I want a week walking on, like basically a broken leg. I didn't know it was broken. But like have like a you're walking on it on pitcher and being like a fucking compound fracture. I was walking from my room to the bathroom, and stuff like that. But he would hurt like at the top of my cast now at my ankle and in the Indo like high sprain. And then, like, there was something is like some shark came through the bone. Right. So like there's like this, like, jagged line going through one. So screws Elaine, cool. So did you just leave college because the football thing was over? I wouldn't over lack still coulda did it. But then it was just like trying to like rehab. And then, like, you know, just not been mentally being in that sport for a long time. You kinda just like lose and it's like it wasn't like I was out here rich like. Mom muster, should we lived in an apartment like is now I could use any just did wait around. You know, they're not a drive a car. Gotta get gas somewhere like mom, gotta pay bills, and all that stuff, sort of work. You've been doing security ever since then I've been known security since two dozen twelve oh shit. Okay. Mostly around here on Fairfax shit. I saw it. I was doing. Working with this company. We used to work at the Beverly at the Beverly Wilshire Hutu, and like when the middle Easterns will come out here for like the summer because it'd be super hot over there, it would need people to work at the hotels, so light, you know, make sure like certain people can't go up of in the hotels, and they would know like special events like bar mitzvahs, all kinds of stuff, do security for it, and then, like I stopped doing that. It's not working with that company and I went to the company we work with now and then I'd like started body going on today, who's been the most fun like what security or bodyguard and shows who's been like the most fun of the most exciting personally, you've had to work with. Probably rich versus kid really. Young like his while other people that have worked with, like, they're not, they're all most mostly chill. Like they're like, you know in their like thirty five in right? You know, like it's just one of those things. You know, like he's wants to go and do other stuff. Like I've worked done stuff, like I've done like house parties and all that stuff. Like, you know, like Tori lanes autumn kind of do, but isn't weird. Like to be the security in that situation. Or is it still kinda tight or is it kind of weird because it's like they're all while in out doing drugs, fucking girls and stuff? And you're supposed to keep it together. Like it kind of sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's not like sometimes it's like it's chill because, like, you know, you do what they do you kicking within when they wanna kick it, you know, but it's like like you know, you can't like you can't, like drink or what it might somebody say, like you take a drink. Don't get drunk. Smote would don't get faded bro, like USA. Got to be able to do what you got on the job. So that's one thing where it's like that part of the job makes like real. You gotta know the line. When we got an who still gosh, it to do can't be ten o'clock in the morning, smoking away with this new did it ever get real with rich like you're having because he's a bunch of crazy situations around for anything start to after. Oh. And like my home cooked meal with that. So like, he would just be like, oh, like we need people, right? Somebody here in you of like first time I worked with him was just was recently at Dion. Mill show. Okay. That was when I first started when it was just like always needed somebody then it was just like you start. You know, you start getting cool with, and then it'd be just me and him. You know, we might just be going around the city doing whatever you ever have to fuck somebody up in this line of work. Not really, because like some a lot of people already know by you know you see a dude walking with a big do behind him and all black already know what it is. You know what I'm allowed to do in my job. If you try to do something like a lot, like what would you fuck me it? So I'm like, all right. Like it make it easier meat already in tuning, what is the craziest thing you have to bend through with someone. Like I've been around, like a couple of people like whereas like shootings or stuff like that. But like not to the point where it was like it was like an close your around. Still like when you hear shit like that going on speed like Elvis. Go see was going on. I know you got to react, and you got to be able to get yourself people out of that situation. So as different in that aspect like you can't really you know, you can't be the, the look like you might be performing. And I'm looking everywhere, pretty much besides you, I know where you are. And I'm looking I'm reading everybody if I, I know exactly, as I feel like I no matter who I'm with Adam, or with juice, or whatever is like juice had security now for a while. I didn't. But it's like I always feel I become the security guard when I'm with them hallways. Pay attention to like I'm super observant of what else is going on around. Right. And then obviously I mean I feel like most of the people I know I'm going to do something if some pops off. You know what I mean? I will give a fuck. Is one things like where, you know, like for me, it was, like, I had that natural gift of being like a protected, so, like I played football protect quarterback. You know, who's like my family. My mom had transformed. It was like let me take what I do naturally and turn to something that really just know how to react situated on the same way just inlet especially in, like panic situation like you not to keep a cool on those situations. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Who it is things that you do in the you got to go through and just being a kid. Everybody gotta go through their own. You know what's funny is like when we were talking about getting security guard. One of the conversation we're having is like should we get a fucking grown as like Russian dude who is totally removed from the type of people that are going to be coming in and shit. Or should we get somebody who's more like from here, who kind of understands the hood, politics and his may be able to like, have a conversation with somebody knows how to talk to somebody without making them feel totally disrespected? What's your perspective on that? I definitely think it's a lock that look like for me. It's like even in like going into, like bodyguard stuff like you, you see you go look at job for that on, like, whatever website, you want to go to, and it's like, oh, you got to be like police like, I'm not a police been I've been with people, and I know how to do what I do to a point where university being a police officer mixed mood. Terry doesn't really necessarily give you an edge like your edge in that element, you know, like you industry. Are you in some of the country, but you're not on my side of the street like he's different being the one that got to go through all the different things in the who now the person is trying to find out what's going on in these areas Marino? So it's like even when like people we, we used to work like supreme, we do bape. So it's like we are around all these, you see me. Stay outside is people come from you saying. Like I used to wear this blue supreme had the with the orange heart and as I used to be known as the dude with the blue supreme. Then go stinky and shit, wearing it that long, not, not like every. A word like people notice somebody working at somebody to go. Year seven, it's in your office kids go, so. The second. And sometimes they just like if fit your head nice and. You know, it's like you like look you like, however it is. I just shaved my head again. So I'm fucking out here chilling, I don't have to worry about having this. We blob a fucking hair on my head and shoots. It's such a relief to have no fucking hair. But I am thinking about going back so. Surprised that you just grew it back and then to shave it was so spur of the moment. I was like, I gotta just fucking get rid of the shit. Oh my fucking dome right now. I feel the same way sometimes yeah, you're gonna miss a little blob hair, though still, you know you haven't got full shaved head shaving a long time. So nNcholas removing hat. I've never seen till he came back over there without a hat. Because I read a motorcycle so my hair's. All like Bush down. Coma hair like a normal person I was on this bike tore yesterday and I'm fucking crank down the hills. And I'm gonna put my hat back where it, so it doesn't fly off girls. Just like God. You look like such a douchebag with the bags head. I might Memphis kinda cool. Like I haven't done that a minute. It was so weird being back on a bike going on. We did like eight hour. It wasn't eight. It was supposed to be a twelve mile bike ride slash wine. Tasting in Santa Barbara that Lanta book we booked this for her birthday. So this is like we went up there on Friday night of seven in the morning to go. This thing it's just us and these two seventy year old people who have been dating since they were like seventeen that's crazy insane. They've been together since they were like seventeen almost seventy fucking nuts. But anyway, we're on this fucking like thing where you just like pedal around on these fucking hybrid bikes and just go on and just drinking wine and all these different places shit. We got kind of drug. In the middle today, not, not like we're not like real drunk, 'cause we stopped drinking. Yeah. It was so weird to be back in that zone of just fucking pedaling up hills and just cranking, my fucking thighs and they're just burning so bad. I miss that feeling that was always one of my favorite parts of BMX weird way. Because I think the hill. Yeah. I love that. I at the top. I just love destroying my fucking lungs, even that far snow and you wanna know the crazy thing is that so I'm blasting up these fucking hills. We made it like halfway through, and then the fucking seventy year old lady tapped out, and I didn't wanna be the asshole. That was like, no I'm really trying to keep going. Fish? Let's go. It was so fucked up. I, I don't know. I wanted to keep going, but I just didn't want to be the one telling the old lady now. We gotta keep going, but yeah. That was fun. Fucking is his birthday had to do it. I got a fucking like tampon headband also. I just wanna say that at the drag convention. Cool. That's kind of cool. Yeah. Manitoba happy birthday Lennon, I didn't even say happy birthday. Probably do that. A bad friend, harsh Chris lauch forgot. About friend forgot yesterday. Chris long hurt and Funes did today I fucking woke up and didn't look at my phone for like two hours. I like doing that. You do you have the self control the willpower to do it. You can do it. I'll put my phone in my garage on the charger on the house and garage. Garage, and I'm like, all right. I'm away from it. Interesting idea. Yes. The first thing when I wake me, too. Wake up. Away from my phone. I sleep with my phone with me. But like when I wake up, I wanna get away for a while, or whatever from that home sleep with that thing with you. Yeah. Right. Whereas it under the pillow. A little little safe right next to my bed. You got to put in the combination before you're going to touch it. You're scared that the kid the kid. Yeah. Or anybody anybody touching my gun but I have other other one step around the house. So it's have won the case right now. My bed within like. And my garage going through all sudden pull the gun out of it and. Nothing so you can get quick. You got a cat around when you got kid around all of a sudden becomes weird, right? Because I have a gun on the table in my house, fuck in two years. I'm not gonna be a problem. Lynn is not gonna touch it just scared. Shitless out anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to be locked up somewhere. You can still, you know, you got to put it in a cut somewhere somewhere, where the having you ain't trying to go on lock sheet. Get a gun. Gotta have a gun as ready. It's just a safe that finger touch it. He's a front principle. There's another one, just like four little buttons. You can just hit real quick. Like it's like combinations. Like the. Pops Radovan opens right up the kid learns it one day. You come on shoot. You. He deserves it deserves that w. Pitcher on my nephews on cigarette and key Glock responded and said they look bad as hell. And I'm just like minute. So we're to fit your key Glock thinking that about my nerdy, ass white, little fucking nephews because. Yeah. Realistically, like a magin. What I don't know if key log has kids, but if he does, I guarantee their bad as hell in comparison to them. Gee money has a son and really, he's always on Instagram and stuff like that. He had him the studio the day like recording. He's like little like six or seven and stuff like that. He was reporting news out there rapping a wife beater, and stuff like so cute. What was he Ravin about? I couldn't even tell but. Jumbled up. I couldn't really hear it that well. But while this funny that's fascinating criss cross Alba says, oh my God, I got called out on Twitter conversation. You don't know what that is. It's from American debt American, dad. What do you mean? It's a joke from dad's always saying that nobody is remind today, talked the internet, not being post major anything like that. That is, it's not shocking the road every day he knows. I know what? It's not on the and looked it up just to prove his, his pitted English. I smoke I drink I smoke we didn't I know things. As everyone here was game of thrones. Absolutely. You haven't not not in that. To minority. Jim Cohn commercials. Like on the game. You play like you. That's all I'm you seen just like game this like you does game thrones. Just seem like the whitest shit on earth. Like why the fuck would I ever want to deal with a? In a way. That same time Bill, because, like I was never into that. I wasn't interested. We're heroes. Like when I was a kid was sports for sports. Whereas I was always out out basketball baseball football basketball, like year round it wouldn't like I was so in all the games I have when I was playing on the video game or whatever it would be like sports game arm watching ESPN watching games, you know, like I was that involved in term, not like the nego watch. Right. I never I haven't seen any I've seen half of one Star Wars Sam Sam. Maybe half ten. When my friend tried to show to me, I'm the three hours to are you still like that, where you don't really give a fuck by themselves sports in terms of, like, what you watch and shit? Get to like it just is one that hobby that you have that you can't get rid of a have to watch sports. No matter what I'm jealous, because I feel like it's just such like a bonding. Cool thing. Now when I was young, I wrote, BMX I thought skating was cool. I was into hardcore rat, but I always, like, just looked at sports is like fuck that shit, and it really is kind of fucked up too, because my dad is the biggest sports fanatical ever meet in your life. Like he knows so much about college basketball, even being oldest hell, his followed the careers of so many dudes like who became like giant stars all the way from college, like it's pretty crazy. How into that shit is he honestly is kind of like he's lost interest, boats on there in the NBA, but he knows it. Let about baseball and shit too. So like it probably would have been really happy, if I had like been a sports fan of somebody just voted it, I'll really still get into sports. I'm gonna commit myself. I'm gonna fuck in next NBA season. I'm going to actually like really get into it and force myself into I'm trying to like take on. Much new interest right now because I was fucking like I really wanna get back into jitsu. Throw that out there Adam was the number three best to. They always would say this just pissed me off. Always you never played any sports now I did. I played baseball and basketball and. Yeah. But like this is my theory just for for the new audience. I my theory is that I need it because I need glasses my whole life. But I didn't know until I was in like fourth grade, and then I got him. And then, like, even according to my parents, it was kind of like this revelatory moment of, like, oh, that's why you suck it sports. 'cause they always, yeah. Even as a kid, it was always, like a joke with, like they would try to not make fun of me. But at the same time I could tell that they had absolutely no respect for me as a sportsman. That's crazy. So then I got glasses, but I felt like already kind of like my hand eye. Coordination was not developed in the same way that might have been otherwise. Now, this is all kind of a long form excuse for me being like to sports, but that is my theory about why. Because I was like playing it would make sense if I had gotten really into sports, because my parents were pushing me, so hard to be into it. Parents push me in kind of like made me. Dossier about football that until high school. Once I was in high school that's might be really started. Take over fuck football bags and I wanna go out with my friends, and it is it's weird. But people don't understand that. I just had such a different set of influences growing up. Like people don't understand how I'd never drank a beer until I was like twenty one but it's like I was into lake BMX and fucking hardcore music. And I was really into rap and shit. But that was never like my influence lifestyle wise, like I never I, I liked rap music. But I wasn't like listening to Jay Z talk about what he was doing and thinking, like, oh, I'm gonna be able to go do that. It was like it was like a complete like fantasy world. Like, you know, but whereas like hardcore and everything, and like BMX it was like in BMX really was not that cool to like, go out and get drunk and stuff like you were kind of like a weird stretch kids and stuff like that. I was never straight is. But I didn't do. Well, I not really did shit growing up because I was scared to death. My mom, she would've fucking slept the shit out of the fucking belt across the face of smoking weed. When you start getting fucking. I smoked a few times highs going shit, but not really until until like eighteen. Yeah. I always knew you knew you to be like the dude, who had we even like when we were pretty young nineteen or twenty you kind of always, like rolling blunts and stuff, even when that was like. How cool high get? That was fucking amazing like cure for you. Being anxious. Reared fuck anxious. I am all the time. Yeah. You're weird. You're anxious, people might not know that about Chris long kind of, like he's sort of like high strung in a weird way, though, because a lot of times, don't seem that way. But I know it's I know it's always going on in your brain. But yeah, also you're always high. The weed helps calm that down the does. So you're a person that really feels like it's like fix something in your personality. It is like medicine. No, maybe a helps deal. Yes. You're I mean like instead of being freaked out all the time get mad at everything to smoke. We don't care about as much ship, easy was kind of like my girl loves me. Smoking weed, even she doesn't smoke because she says that I just get so much softer and nicer and more empathetic more laid back. Whereas I'm like Hella critical shit if I'm not smoking, which is, it's weird because that's definitely like my personality, I've always just been kind of, like critical and like sarcastic, like, rude expect everybody to fucking just be just as, like thick skin as I am even like, if I'm dating a girl that's always been my personality, like super aggressive will make funny. You super fuck and bad for something like but to me, you're still my friend. I'm just fucking giving you a hard time about something. My girl does not understand that all, but, like, we'd to me, definitely makes me like way, more chilled out. Like, I don't feel the need to, like, have a fucking confrontational attitude about everything confrontational. Like I'll be mad. Oval something sing something or say you're yelling something in chat or something like that for some stupid. And maybe I don't think it's my fall or whatever fucking getting all mad about it. I'm like, I'm going to say, say this and this. I won't even say anything. Okay. Very deep down inside this store that rage up. Pissed off of people. You really go go in or you haven't even seen Chris long mad. I haven't seen it. I've always used this, like I've never seen him like, but he always will bust out a story about, like fucking stabbing somebody's tires on the highway because they cut him off like he. He just seems that do is like you. Don't fuck man. You don't you don't you don't you don't cross our minds and then. He's doing the crazy shit savage. Cre-. Cree you call eight. We got this advance. Excited he wants he wants to be he runs to it often with a camera. Chris told me he used to be driving. And then pull over the side of the register fight people. Is that true? Accurate. Was the stories till I don't think I. Human Yeltsin Boston, because he yell something to me. Flawed. Bell. Did that the other crazy the no? He puts on his feed fucking, he poses video wish we could show it on right now. But everybody go to. Vel. BMX. V. E. L L BMX and watch this video, I don't know exactly what was said, we gotta get them on here to talk about it. But basically Vel is driving on the highway for those who don't have big fat black dude. And he's wearing a fucking blue do rag at this moment, and a big fucking white guy with Hallam muscles, like dude who looks to me like definitely on steroids. Definitely works out a lot, somehow, they start arguing between their cars. I don't know exactly what, what the cars were like or like if they're on the highway, or if they're on a side street or whatever there's some are right. But they, they pull over and just run the fade just on the street. Just fucking beat the shit. I n Lavelle admitted that he got knocked down, and like. Like I wouldn't say Lavelle like fully got his abbey. But he definitely liked didn't exactly win the fight kind of tiered off pretty even from what it looked like I said, but he's like he called me on Kyo. I just got taken down by punch for the first time ever like because he's always talking about hose knocking. He is knocked out a lot of people around me is not fucking scared. And I've seen these after two charts. Eat up never had this before dude, hit so hard is like, stunned by I think he's like realizing like, oh, just because I'm a big fucking strong motherfucker doesn't mean that I necessarily know how to fight somebody that has, like trained to fight because now he's acting like he wants to start taking classes and shit which I kind of understand because every time I ever got beat up my whole life. I definitely was trying to take some classes or some shit, or at least thinking about it the next day. I'm getting a bucks in class tomorrow, fuck this shoot. I'm getting product. I don't know. But yeah, I mean my oral opinion of that fucking video, though is just that they're both insane. If you start arguing with somebody in your car 'cause from both sides like he's arguing with a big fucking black dude in a blue do rag. You don't think like what is the odds of this, dude has a gun, this LA, the odds of him having a gun or extremely high? Exactly in for that do to be okay. To pull over yards. Do it. Yeah. For bell. I'd be like, damn what am I doing right now? Exactly this, dude. Okay. With this, this guy is huge. He looks like he's on steroids. The odds of him having a gun are also very high fucking. They're both insane like who does this in two thousand nine hundred and it's just like the craziest thing I can imagine. Yeah. And he put it on his Instagram, five minutes in the fact that you, you are ready to throw down. And you tell your friend or girlfriend or whoever the fuck was with yoke film this. It's just unbelievable. Okay. We're gonna Austin's live reaction to this. Everybody will watch us. V. E. L. L. BMX. The live reaction washing buffet right now. There's no middle of the road and look subside street in Long Beach, Long Beach. Yeah. Man. It's probably down by, like Bixby or Lavelle is a Long Beach legends beach. There's run around catching fades. This is. Hula veld. This where he where he had a blue Rego. The first time he's wearing to regulate. The do rag. No, he wearing. All know we'll do rags swags lacking. The first time people always feel the need to come up to me and be like, oh, this do rag on I've done in a couple of times. I put it on for a Tanner, FOX music video at one point Iraq. The do rag with a cloud goggles for that. And then, of course, people took the screen shot and fucking. Jinja. Yeah. He might be. That's the insanity of the situation is Lavelle ran the fade with a ginger juiced up ginger. Definitely juice. Sometimes you got thrown. I guess, but man, I would be in that situation at all really fought before. Thank you, this ways, punching like he's like, do they both got something approved? The, the ginger guy is probably literally on steroids, and just wants to prove himself steroids, because he looks like fix but it doesn't look like he's. There is a bunch of older guys who are on steroids in my gym. Jim, they're like sixty something years old, and they're on steroids, and it's so weird because they're like hard and like veins shit, but they're not that big, and they're not that strong. It is such a fucking weird, look, bro. He's trying to hit them left. You. That's why she's self Parmenter is not working. Chauvel shelter. Game developed Khuda was silky down to run it. Paid. Do speak in a Long Beach. This is this is something that's Bruin, at least slightly, is that stupid young and China MAG. Like I was talking about stupid, young China maquette interview and China Matt kinda through this weird subtle shade about it where he was like, basically, like, yeah, I feel like I can be bigger than him though about stupid young. It was kind of obvious immediately that he likes sees Zubi young as competition for the Asian gangsta rapper lane. Because to be real China, maggots fucking, his story about shootings dune the nightclub is fucking crazy. Like the video that lad made about that is wild, bro. He went away like me here. Like he came in shoot. My hand was like, look, he, he gave me a look and see it. Jail for ten years, you got a certain demeanor who ain't gonna let you just push them over, but you don't have to do you got to do it. Bitch. China, amac is definitely with shits for sure. He like the story is fucking crazy. He's, he's in the fuck nightclub and he sees like gin, and then he ends up getting it in with Jin's friend, and they're like, in, like the kitchen of the clubs somehow they, they end up in this altercation, and he pulls us fucking gun puts it to the dude's head and squeezes, but the shit, James. So then he starts fucking with it to unjust it and fucking shoots him in the back. Crazy madness. Ten years head and killed him. Exactly, probably a way for twenty five or some shit, right? 'execution right away for life, right? That's where he from New York in New York to, they put you under Neath, but I think this was a long time ago when the because I was talking about that with him, and he was saying the gun laws didn't used to be so crazy, so whatever. But I'm still probably matter if you fucking execute somebody in a nightclub. I mean if you can get time for writing the. Doing like a four four by four in your you will years like what you would again. Meek must add a bunch of priors to lead up to him getting put away. That you get a ticket broach. Okay. How about little Dirk? Yeah. Right. I need terms off in and then just kept him like that. They just they just they denied bail. They're holding onto him. And they're saying that he basically shot at somebody didn't kill him that I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure if he actually killed or if he actually hit the guy or if he shot at him. But either way, the charge on attempted murder sucks insane. I wonder what kind of evidence they have. Yeah. That have some good if not letting go like that. Yeah. Because otherwise 'cause he went and go, and you turn yourself in your pre-conference, you probably didn't do it, right. Yeah. Or at least you have a good defense anyway, I guess, you've probably just knew they were going to pick them up anyway, I think that he was telegraphing on social media. Like letting it know that he had charges in the something was about to happen. So that is fucking crazy. And I don't know best best wishes to him. I'm getting on that Roach king. Yes, I don't know. I don't know what the fuss going to happen with that. But that's, that's a scary one the other crazy thing that came out today. I think is that wine W Meli that the family of the victims came out publicly to the media and said that they hope that Meli gets the death penalty, which is okay. Obviously, if somebody killed your fucking friend or whatever then you don't fuck that the death penalty. Right. I want to give it to shits. But, I mean just the fact that they publicly to the media are so convinced that he's guilty. But they fucking publicly saying that I mean, that's just such a serious tat, the name of the mom of the victim tattooed on his neck. I thought he just had the dudes names on his face. Second juvie. I don't know if a mom's name. Yeah. Really something like that. Yeah. The J green interview was so weird because I was just asking him about Melian shit. And like you can tell the he's been properly briefed on what he should and shouldn't say or at least he, perhaps, he knows himself, but he's basically like, you know, he's he doesn't say anything to sorta endorse the idea that Meli is like a nut. Meli is unstable or anything like that he definitely wasn't really trying to say anything about what Meli was really like at all because he knows that, like, anything he says about Meli, they like makes them out to be a psycho could totally be used against them. You know. I mean, I'm at times use super nice and chill. So, yeah. I mean it's crazy, 'cause we are around those sagging juvie to like multiple times. They were here during Melis shit of me standing on stage with them three. Yeah. Is outstanding next film, weird. After the fact, they're like, look, this is you filming them. There's just like me and those to do in the back on filming Millie. Right. Hey. So tell me something about your rolling loud experience. What was what will what exactly happened with you space goes perp because I said, I don't want to just go and do a fucking random as interview on the bus, I'm sort of saying this to s GP as well. But I didn't want to just go do a random as it'd be on the bus for me. I want to have a serious like sit down full length space goes perp interview that I think is what we should definitely do. I'm down to do whenever but so what, what was this like for you going on the bus with him? Oh so Chabot grabbed me, and then I let you know, I was going over there, and that's basically what you said and you're going to do something else. Anyway at that time. So I went with him on the bus. I mean it was fine. It was just like anything else he kind of like a weird little vibe kind in there, like, maybe coming off him a little bit. But I mean vibe agai, I don't know him. I've never met before. So I don't know. How he is like otherwise. But you know other than that it went in there, and I was just filming them. Then he said what he had to say. And then that was it. And he said he wanted the full interview, and I was down definitely. Actually, I have a couple of super Chesa people bugging us to read Ryan Ross said, Asya earlier, homey. I'm Melrose today. Okay. What up Ryan? And then Ryan also Ella mayo said was up too early on Melrose posted up us of the store. Okay. Well shots Ryan for pointing those things out. I didn't know I guess, I, I know I know you are one of the people hollered at me outside the store, Brian who bugged me, while filming, Mike Adama? Tricks, leave me alone, just kidding. Whatever I get Neue by taking photos. I always just think about how one day I'm probably not gonna have a lot of people asking me for photos and then I'll probably kinda miss it just trying myself like you probably want to hold onto this all in now. A lot of photos to you, you said, yes. To every single person. Jolly say no. Doing something. There's so many annoying things that people do like associated with the photo thing as for instance, when they put their arm around your waist, like the babies to the baby. That's a super weird one also just in general. Like you know what? I really hate cold clammy hands. If they're nervous their hands are. Shape looking nervously. They started shaking crazy. I've seen it before, like other people who, like celebrities, and people that you had that following. You see people get nervous and this crazy. It's like damn like this person really means. Sunday, somebody feel like they can't even talk to you because they have such they're nervous. That's the weird part about it. Is that a lot of people are so nervous that you don't really like get to like see the real version of what they're probably likely they're probably cooler than they seem in that moment, because they're sort of nervous or whatever my, my personally my favorite thing. I kinda hate it. But it's also kinda my favorite thing is when you're like a late night type thing like after a rap show, whatever. And people are just coming up to you in there on Molly or Zan or coke or whatever, and they're out of their fucking mind. And I'm just like. Holy shit. Like this is insane. Like I'm always tried to be nice about it or whatever, like, especially at those fucking festivals in Australia people's fucking faces. A girl came right up to me. And it was just like, oh my God. Like in just grabbed the back of my head, try to kiss me. And she was just Hella Mali. And I could tell she was just like in the moment, and I'm like, oh, my God. This is weird. Get away from me. Yeah, there's fucking people like the festivals to they're always fucking shit faced drunk in so annoying crazy, or the fucking, worst, or people that just like automatically come out here, and that's super annoying like force euless in their music. Putting the phone to your ears just like the most brutal tortures on the commodity is out of here. I flew out here from here just to meet of my song. I'm just drawing. Like if you want to hear your song, donate the street, that's when listened to it out. Like I said. Online. That's what he takes time out to listen to music from everybody. So other than that, I'm like be able to catch him out here listening to music. I was having this conversation with Hakeem the other day, where basically he was about to hook up with a girl, and she straight up said, like, I'm not fucking you unless you give me two hundred bucks and hike aim realistically probably does not have two hundred bucks. So he of course, had to say. No. And we're talking about that. And I'm like, honestly, I kind of respect her doing that because that's kind of like when people come up to me and want me to listen to the song. It's like listen. I don't really wanna listen to a random asong but I'll do it for a hundred bucks. She doesn't really wanna fuck your random ass fucking penis. But she'll do it for two hundred bucks a respect that kind of because it's kind of like she could just say, no. Yeah. Or she could charge a rate that she thinks is fair for how grossed out she's going to be while fucking or even just your time. And you know. Do you guys respect process? I guess what I'm asking. Yeah. But she should have been more front about it than hanging out with. Okay. Because he would've not wasted his time. He says he knows he'll dolls before you think they have to disclose the their prostituting in advance. Yeah. It'll be hanging out with them all day and be like, oh, I know by the way, it's two hundred bucks. I'm going be really like because of bucks is not a thousand it's way, more manageable, wasted my time, you'll meet you fucking bucks. Fucking with you. A lot of times I haven't been single in a while. But like when you're hanging out with some random girl that is kind of how it feels like. She's just letting you fuck because she kind of like feels like you owned it because you like took it to a waterpark. Dinner. Yeah. Or to dinner or to a movie or whatever. She's like, you know, like mean you had that vibe from girl where it's kind of, like she doesn't really wanna fuck you. But she's gonna just sorta let you get one off because, you know you just did something. She probably knows you're dick sucks. They, you just terrible in bed. You know, so she just knows that she's not gonna enjoy inches, sorta lay run one real quick. I've definitely caught that by before. But yeah. Way, so Hakim getting proposed to for prostitution. We gotta get his fucking opinion on this. Yeah. Austin you ever paid for sex? Admit it right now, if you had not even because like is. Everybody gets has a fair share people, a lot of people in, you know, you might not want to the I do know. Yeah, I don't I don't look down on dudes who do it. I mean to me. I don't know. It's like the thing that is weird about it to me is kind of just the fact that I can't imagine myself fucking full-time prostitute because just seems kind of achey like if it's a girl is like escort and on the side, and it's not necessarily like our full time thing, that's you know, because I mean, hey, me, and Linda fucked all kinds of porn star girls that basically just escort and like nonstop, and like, you know, we don't sometimes they don't talk about it at all. But you just know that they are sometimes there's just Aaron the shit out just talking about it like it's nothing fucking crazy. Because to me, there just seems to me, you know it's just regular shit. Regular for you. I like I said, I haven't done it. So what's up with you? What's your soda here now? It's would you crush lime crush? Ryan. Anyway. In the chat now is Hakim poor I wouldn't say poor, but I mean you know, probably some Snapchat is down right now. Snapchat is down in YouTube was down to down for a while. No longer. But do I was looking at my Snapchat because I posted a couple of things today, therefore views each? Poppin check my snatch not no views if I can the shit, just not working. It's crazy. I don't know. I haven't tried like view other people's stories or anything like that. So much that Yuri is doing a great job. What referred to your band can't say van band saying positive things about Jerry? No awesome. We'll tell you were a blood when you first start working here because you had a Red Sox out on now. Actually. That just seems so much less likely than it'd be some kind of gang thing you know, but it's crazy kids like in Long Beach like you could wear the Hatton. It'll be like you from babies like insane. Right. They wear the hat. They send us like and Long Beach, technically, somebody's, somebody might think like something. But it's like, really? Yeah. My, my dad's family's from bos- Boston. Really? I don't know if you know this cruiser kind from Boston, we talked about the national New Hampshire. I didn't know he was Chris from, like fucking fifty minutes or so, the city like fucking we're, we're up in their someone said I watched her live poker tournament. A few months ago in your fire on bummed about is that I was going to actually enter the main event, but it's right in the middle of us going to London. So I can't do it and I'm talking sad about it the main event in. Who listens to you? London. I was going to into the main event, I was going to put up the ten grand actually Leno wanted to split it. She's like, I'm going to invest in your poker. So she was gonna put up half of it. And I was like, all right. Cool. This'll be super fun. I was a high then I'm looking at the schedule and it's like that shit goes for like two weeks. If you fuck in win. If you're, if you're killing it, so I basically would have to, like, obviously, that's fucking sucked about is obviously if I enter the chances of me even making it through the first couple of days are relatively low, but still, it's like I don't wanna fucking go, and spend ten grand if I'm literally gonna have to leave because I'm fucking going for London to this other shit. Nicer poco. Yeah. All right. I've never played play fucking played online ten hours a day for like three years. So I got some and I just like watched so much of people playing online like Diddy does and stuff like that red hell books back then, but yeah, I, I don't I don't really know how good I think I am. But I definitely I'm better than like most people, I guess I would say who aren't like extremely experience. But all right. Listen to this, in my last one hundred and seven games of tetris I want twenty five. So that's almost twenty five percent twenty four point Simpson. Something of thank you. Dick. That's almost like I'm almost like a quarter of my games, once I'm feeling really good about that. And I'm wondering how I can get it higher. The highest I've seen is one but who has ninety three percent wins, insane, ninety three. That's really talking to you about tetris. But I watch you play it though so textures and again about also I game but I watch he played nearly tetris is not like game. I really want everybody to go subscribe to my gaming channel. I was thinking about learning. I don't know anything about right now. I know logic and do it while free styling. Yeah. That was that was that was the viral fuck time. You see, like there's these like, little fucking Chinese kids that can do it in like four seconds. Like that's like the record. It's like four seconds. Like what the fuck I think it's like a rhythm like up down Downer. There's science tonight. It's all kinds of patterns and shit that they've made that they've memorize, you can get one all the rest of the size of the can do one side. Don't once before it says. Dead. So I've never done it. But I've kind of thinking again. So I wanna get into sue, and I also want to I want to get into archery. I wanna fuck in well because Len has been doing it and now I'm pissed off. Because she's been liking going to this old dude in Redondo beach and shooting. Fucking arrows for like an hour and a half. That's cool. Yeah, I'm pretty into it. I'm kind of into that to have it done. But I want to do it. That's cool. Also, once I get this house, I'm planning on getting a pool table and I plan on really fucking learning play pool. Really good. Because I love pool. And I was really want to get better at it. We went with these fucking girls and Chris long played who'll against these girls. And it was like it was like wanna play with them. And they just insisted on playing. I was just so mad about hunk rocker chicks that you met on fucking, plenty of fish dot com. I'm suppose you found something like that. I thought it was tender tender, something like one of those fucking you still on sender. No, no. Synder. I feel like I've, I've missed out on so much of the modern, like dating world because I have never used like all these, like, modern dating thing I use tender, but it's been like three years. I never gonna riot. There's all these new ones. I've heard people talking about and shit that I haven't experienced I have heard about all this new stuff, too. But I've blast on Tinder fucking weird, bro. I wonder if tenders superlight, so the girl picks the guy now that's bumble dumble. I was on, bumbling while I'm gonna admit. Be doing like that. Those are on them. Like Gerson gravy. I can to shy Davis. Team say say you know, those girls expect you to go to them. Right. You know, so probably be kinda weird for them to have to, you know, I mean, if they have to come to you, then you kinda know that they're like, more serious about. Yeah. Yeah. As ways your, but I mean at the same time, like a lot of dudes that I talked to when they would go on fuck in bumble would, basically, like just strike out because realistically girls are just were not hitting them up, and it's not like Tinder where you can extend your message to them. I wonder what would happen if I logged into my Tinder, there's looked at three years of messages video. Yeah. Man. Fugger. I'm high shit. Now. I was going to be realistic. All right. This is the end of this. We'll go back to like listens music, and then get the fuck outta here. What time is ten channels to ten? So the reach stark to hit me up right now. He wants to taking down ten ten ten ten to win. Oh, is it says in a kick it in jammed down a pull up? What about weed killing Chris? I stopped smoking for a month. And then I start smoking again and then you've got back in the game. I was really sick. I don't know. We got linking. This fool said. Nah, they'd be busing on Tinder for real for real. I can probably just a fucking escort trap now. Right. Why are? That's hunky met that girl. Dude, if I was single, I would be so worried about getting robbed or like scammed, or some shit. Yeah, I waste by postseason. Had like you get a post made or whatever it is. And then it'd be like a girl and you, they not open dude. You know, like I'm not expecting this become to my door, you're bringing food. Yeah. The other day two's chicks. And when we called it was a fuck, dude. And then I'm thinking about it. And I'm thinking think about what this probably is this dude is probably like, taking a girl that doesn't have good credit or like can't sign up doesn't ever on car, whatever, like her situations kind of fucked up, and then he basically has her like, working for him doing Uber or like, imagine if he was sort of, like, just four Senator to do it that come thing. Like, I don't know my mind went to the lake negative version of it. Of course, I don't know. It'd be didn't have a phone or. Says, how long have you known? Chris, Chris, I hate. It's such a boring question. But since he was like nineteen or twenty so probably about fifteen years. I was living in actually. No, I was like twenty one twenty two because I was living in a story stories where you were at trampling on the roofing, slept on trampling woke up with sunburn and also was sit in front of the like four computer screens play poker, and Sally. No. Just search for girls on my space and just get random ass girls to take the train to my apartment to fuck and it worked a little bit. Like I was fucking but not, not, not that much, but I was trying must base my space, just the Muslim bootleg shakes because I just had I had no no game. No nothing as so sad. When I think about it now I had nothing on on at that time I was just playing poker. My room Doug's of piss jugs pissed. No bat bathroom work shower. Oh, no. That was just that one. We that one weekend. One hundred fuck and fifteen degrees. I we end there was no shower, and there's like I did get a sunburn on the fucking woke up puking ship, his son was killing me in the morning. Girls on trampolines bring them home fucking. Booking swept in the kitchen floor from my eyes and fucking whatever time it wasn't. I woke up. It was fucking dead mouse, like lean right next to my fucking head to like a dead. Mount apartment store. Sounds about right. You know, used to we used to go to the Bank, Commerce Bank, and we would still the pens free pens, and we just took advantage of the policy, and we have this really big box easily as big as that box over, there is this massive box, and we, we had it filled with Commerzbank pain. Every time we went in there. We would steal at least, like ten pens. And then just put him in this box. We had all the different because over the years and they had different styles. The pen kept developing and changing at least four or five different versions, and we hide them all in this box. And I remember one night because there was a dentist that live below me and I was moving out of this fucking apartment. And I went over to the window and took this giant box of pens. And I finally dragged it over there because I was trying to figure out. What to do with it? I was wanted to do something cool that I wanted to dump them in the street, and then throw them out of cocktail at it and create a big fire and just have like the streets just running with blue plastic does melting running down the street, I was thought that would be kinda cool. I wanted to do that. But then I was like, not only in trouble or anything, so, but I took these pens and dumping them out the window, and the dentist. It's making a shitload annoys, obviously, like it's just so loud dumping these pens out and the fuck in dentists comes up stairs and she's hot. She's like fucking thirty. She's like banging and she bangs on my fucking door open. What's up? She's like why dumping pens out the window, and I'm like, I'm not dumping pens. She's like, yes, you are. I could see them coming down through my on my now. Like not. No good excuse at all. Just completely just make it stop. Whatever was it. Did you stop? Or you just don't mall. I think I like dragged like a portion of the box outside after that. And just because we have this tiny little alley, and it was figure dump the pens, it's crazy thing. Those pens, still sitting there in the alley. They're not for the before they were it was like an alley that, like, nobody seems like they ever been able to get into it was so fucking, it was just like this decrepit, New York like alley between that apartment was fun. You know what I did with that apartment? Listen this fucking scam. I had gone so we move in and the rent is fourteen hundred bucks for that whole fucking place. A three bedroom at one of the rooms big. So we build this bullshit, ass wall, and we've turned into four and it was all four of us, like we all have room and we're all just ride Mexico, whatever. And we're just stand there and fuck in and scamming and playing poker, and whatever else and fuck in then, like one person wants to move out, and we realize like we can get more than three fifty for this room. So he rented it out for like six hundred and that made all our rents go down, and then somebody else one of our other hobbies moved out, and we rented that out, and we charge them six hundred two and then that meant that me and other do barely paying rented this point, and then the other do moved out, and then I was charging everybody. So I'm living for free and making money every month on renting out charging the more I'm like, charging more, because the landlord had never been there is this blind guy that lived online island. And he didn't have a property manager or anything. He just dealt directly with me, and I paid them on time. So it's all good. And then I actually moved out with my girlfriend, and then rented out the other room to. And then I was basically acting like I was the landlord and renting out all four rooms to four different people. I was making I was making two grand like over two grand a month. I'll just renting out this and that, but then I was like paying for my apartment as well. But, you know, it was kind of film that will scam going on. I yeah. So I remember that you had that other apartment to with your girl. Yeah, that was the other sport there, that long, that one many times, you know, high actually fucked up the scam is because my phone stopped working for the weekend. And for some reason, the landlord do is trying to get in touch with me, and he couldn't get in touch with me. So he basically ended up going to the apartment and early going going with someone and then they were like they like went there realize, like that the these people they basically kinda realize what was going on. So I just sorta like ghosted on just like kept everybody security deposit. The scammed everybody in the landlord Fook him. I didn't pay him. So I like you know, made like another couple of thousand then at the end by by forget, sorta ghosts and on everybody the site back that hundred percent I don't really even feel bad about either. Those fun kinda miss. I missed when that was sort of like the kind of thing that was like down to do you know, and then after that point pretty much all legal hustles afterwards, remember feeling bad, because one of the guys just kept calling me over and over and over trying to scare you back and I was never going to answer. I was not going to pick up pussy. Bother you. That is one of. Yeah. You, you can get in legal trouble for that. Yeah. Assume, but it was just doing the name, Adam is a boo cocky, ringleader, that's, that's not true that black. I want some chicken so bad right now you guys are fucked up as we need a filter in place of blocks of these comments. Adam scam to blind man. Yeah. That's definitely true. Yeah. Yeah. Juice worlds. Fact, what else Hillary Hillary Clinton? Hi, guys. It's me. It's called subletting super illegal. Yeah. I mean probably whatever, you know. You think? I mean yeah, probably look for apartments. You're gonna see Sali's. Yeah. And the one thing I realized, well, my poise to is that I'm always suspicious that my employees are just hiring other people to do their work for them. Chris long is a master. So it'd be like, oh, yeah. You like you're no jumper intern. And then I'll just realize that there's like an intern but it's not through me. It's through Chris. Jerry. What am I going to say I don't fucking care. I mean you're, it doesn't work. We don't he's, he's working his way back in here anyway. Yeah. You're really fucking. When you deleted that Vallejo podcasts really shit, the bed idiot. I just. But I sometimes like if somebody added something for me and it doesn't seem like their usual, editing just wonder, like did they like find some kid on fiver this for that? I wanna put it past them or they got, like some little homey, and they're getting paid fucking, whatever if they get paid three hundred and they know somebody that's down to do it for fifty. You know, I I don't I'm not putting the past anybody, I believe everybody's doing this sublet and their, their work. Everybody always ends up by getting interns. It should it so weird. And then I feel like I'm complicit in that because I had this insane shit storm when I fuck in, I basically endorsed, I said, the unpaid interns ships, like if you can get one if you wanna do it, you should do it, and everybody like acted. Like I was saying that I had all these unpaid interns. Everybody tweaked out on me on Twitter, so fucking mad about it. It was like insane any interns. I don't have insurance fuck with people like the only like it only having people around. Yeah, that's not true. But now is like I don't know. I don't need this. Fucking weird. Kid, follow me around, and especially, you know, if you get an intern, it's like usually, they're just gonna fuck in one money at some point, and they're or they're just they're just gonna be trash. Like there's a reason why they're not like fucking trying to get paid exactly the interns is like it's get a find someone. That's I you can that have to be working to actually wanna work with. You for real. And then that's the thing about people. I find it's like I don't know if I can work with you, bro. So we can try it. You know what I mean? But test the waters test the waters, he can try some stuff, but I also just shut out this bum boo liquor that we got in the mail. I don't know anything about this. Like I like. There's a few different people that have mentioned like gonna send you liquor, and usually they just don't. You should chug. It. He's a shoe. Nice. It. Please. Can take that deal. A party. Yeah. I would like that. Have you seen Chris away from a Hobo? Yeah. Because it was my blunt way you from a Hobo. No, no. To a blunt away from one. Oh, I mean I could see that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Man. Fuck this shit. This is the end of this shot at to everybody. I'll be back next week. Well, no, we're gonna keep streaming. I'm just going to stop recording.

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Ep 215 - If Now is a Good Time To Invest, Where Do I Start?

Brown Ambition

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Ep 215 - If Now is a Good Time To Invest, Where Do I Start?

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Are the lowest anything regarding vocal prowess I was however I share of clarinets in on Sirte Ban at Fayette High School in Fayetteville Georgia I'll had you know the concert. Band was the lesser band than the Symphony Van Band. So I was the best worst clarinet player all and I know what I hear. I was like the bond that you could not tell me anything about my clarity skills was. Why are you crazy? It's great being the captain of the bad clarinet players because the bar is so low. And you're the best out of all of them so honestly I look at me like it's like you set your expectations low and you end up happier right. Well I I never I say in only because the school that I went to especially the middle school that I went to was like heavy on choir which snap I look back in. That was odd like everyone saying inquire whatever choir I mean. I wasn't some great singer but it was fun. Yeah and But what I did join in highschool was. I joined the step team because I grew up in a largely Caucasian. I'm surprised they even had to step team. Basically you told me about your your school wants. It was had to be maybe was like sophomore year. There was a young Brown's sister named Cheryl that moved from Newark to Westfield South Use arousal Chevro- brought with her. All these wonderful black things like who is that for Sheila's length of first because you know expectations are low like you come to a new school where there aren't very many black kids and you're the black kid knows how to do stuff. I chair of the step dancers like you might have been a mediocre step dancer you know what? I mean like a coolest. We were like teachers. Your black the kids so she what's up to us and say I was always back. I was so terrible but I was determined. I said Oh no. I'm going to read the video. I was terrible I will say it was a really a lot of fun but yes. So that was my. That was my horrible group participation but it was like. I said it was a lot of fun in the back because you are off off with them how you'll be African with no rhythm see. That's the thing that's like. It's so the the stereotype works against you. It's the same thing with my husband and will bless his heart. He's not the best dancer like he dances though. And it's hard for people out there. It's hard to find a partner who will like dance with you at the wedding or at the friends event or whatever you know so he would try but if the Latin song about shot that comes on and gay. He's sitting down real fast and his younger brother can really dance. And so can his fiancee. And and the way he gets a Lotta Shit for for not being like the the best. Bechat that answer and you know. I'm sad for him because he expectations are meanwhile. I just swing my hips. And they're like all meet me like they're like yeah. Look at that one again low expectations. We should just title this show the yeah. I once had an idea for a book that every time but every time I described it may sound so sad but and I and every time. I tried to explain the premise. Look at me like are you okay. 'cause my whole idea was. It was literally a book about how everyone would be happier if we just expected less from everything expected less from your partner. You're gonNA find expected less from the job that you have and I think I still think that this is true. I believe science would back me up on this when you have less expectations for what an outcome will be or lower expectations and you end up being happier. Because you're grateful that anything happened. You know what I mean but yeah but that's just so against the American mindset around and I'm not trying to get to philosophical but I ended up. Just stop talking about it because people will look at me like like I was. You know had foreheads. What what do you mean? Maybe less less satisfied with like less than excellent satisfied with like a partner who can't be you know all seventy five different friends and family and sexual. God and God that you need in your life. What no no one wants to admit that. Admit that. Maybe they're not having like you know whatever because I'm just like that it won't get better than this. No one thing. I'm like Brown. Ambition Brown is okay round. He comes back so I know last week. We talked about hard conversations so I had once a day. Okay Oh my gosh. What an all day stress stress dressed like thought about it literally took a walk before. Hey and took a nap. Like stomach and bubble good sweaty. And I'm like tiffany really all leading up to this conversation and it just it went okay. What would know what what are what? How long had like? How long was this conversation coming? Did you ask for it? Had been doing for a while. He say any specifics about what it was about. Well I'll say this about money. I'll just leave it at that. So yeah it was about money and it was just like I said I'm was. I told myself this is what I told myself to kind of feel better. I was like before the conversation. You know tiffany. I know your stomach's Nath and now you feel like a little uncomfortable. But guess we're girl about to have this conversation and that that is Dan. That's my move year. No it's not that I didn't anticipate that some hard conversations are actually hard conversations. Chlorophyll okay so it's not it's not it's not result it wasn't some like no knock down drag out by or anything like that but it's just it's not resolved also more conversations be breaking kidding me. That was the one thing I was leaving me. No do you at least so what was do you think it's leading to more conversations because the first conversation was so hard and like Whoa. Yes so tell me more like what happened. In the first conversation was that there was so much to unpack. You realize you. Is it like the meeting that you think's going to be half an hour and then you end up? We need relating to do twenty different things and we need to have some follow up meetings to discuss. I make sure we really cover it. Cover our tracks. Well yeah it was. It was well. This is not like this is actually the second of the company. I the first time it didn't. It was only like five minutes because we didn't have much time and I was like okay. We will reconvene and like talk about it next week and just really like lean into it so I was like great. I'm even know the first time we talked about. We were supposed to really talk about it but we just didn't get a chance so because it was like time was like running thin now. Might Tim. I've been in knots all week to talk about it and it's only like five minutes literally like hey we really should talk about this thing and I'm just like Oh but I heard you saved all the anxiety. Yeah and so today I was like no. We're we're we're plowing ahead. When I just was like plowing ahead Sharon she was sharing. How Sheet Bell and like and it wasn't like I was. There's no yelling or anything. It was like super calm but it was very clear that it was like Yup. We both agreed that we don't agree on way what I GONNA lie. I had not planned for that. Oh so you expected to era expected to kind of get what you wanted out the conversation or to understand where you're coming from but oh this is just my husband and I've ever had so. Yeah continue so I thought then at the end she was going to be like you know what I gotTa tell me. Tell me how exactly you know what I didn't see what you meant at first but now that you fully explained a girl yes I agree. I don't know why I thought that's what it was but it was more like you know what I hear. You still don't agree bell worst. That's the word yes and I'm like we so now we're going to have another conversation but I think we're going to bring in. Maybe like a like a neutral party to have a conversation with US mediator. I have had to use a professional mediator. I mean not a professional but in my professional life to bring a third party to to be there to witness the discussion. Just as like as yeah. It's helpful it's helpful. I think so too and I think that had it's just I just feel like lately in business that every time I saw issue because usually I'm pretty I've gotten much better at managing the stress of what it comes to being like. You know to running a business so okay you know. We need a new hire quickly because you know. Xyz leaving all you know. She's doesn't feel well. Okay I've gotten so much better and managing the day to day putting out the fire component of business and I feel like I sleep well But lately the fires are blue you not like usually fires. Blue is when fires hotter right. Is that what it is when it's like you're saying you had the hottest Hottest part of the flame as the blue part again. And so I'm like we what it seems like putting up blue flames over and over and over again. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It's taking like this. Like emotional told that. I'm not used to that. I used to feel like this and Berry beginning of business when I didn't know how to manage anything you know so I was like all the time and now I'm like Oh but you know your season ticket ten years in so like I said up until I would say maybe like three or four months ago. No I've been really good at that kind of thing and it like managing but now assists different now and I'm like but one thing I've learned after ten years of business in the park. That sucks is. I already know what's happening because I've been here so many times before. I know what's happening and I'm like fight so something good is happening. Whenever I am growing to the next level this always happens that there is a period of heavy uncomfortableness where everything sucks and I wanNA quit So I know that's what's happening but I'm still like I want to quit. And so that's what's happened so I know one hundred thousand percent that that's what's happening but it doesn't make easier. I'm just like I don't want to do it. I don't WanNa you're going through. Hell keep going. I know the chance that helps me. Sometimes I just so I mean it's not me obviously I mean I'm really blessed. Thank God you know. Home is good. You know my husband's good. My sisters are good. My parents are good. My friends are good. All that's good and honestly the truth is business actually has literally never been better so that's not bad it's just there is no. I'm growing like I know there's an emotional growth that's tied to like this external growth that have to meet this like this external growth internally and. I'm not you and I know that I know we'll put any bigger pain is like you have been avoiding like growing this part of yourself for a long time and it's time now inhabited like wait. What will your being please? The external part and what's happening is like no go now. We have allowed you for forty years to navigate in this space of like internal smallness in this one area of your life and literally you. You have to grow up in this area. You have the boss up and you have to be like okay and you have to push through or you know like there's no option either this or you stay not even know what's going to happen. I don't through. It's not that I'm going to be allowed to stay at this level. You actually move backwards so I know it's just honestly frigging sucks. I hope you know I've shared this with. Y'All want you to know that like even when even in success there's you know they're strife there's gut wrenching moments even like you know literally nothing's where we had bus month yet in business but like there is still aspects that. I'm learning and growing and frigging sucks and I'm just like but I'm like literally every year. I used to tell myself that this is the year I was GONNA work on this part of myself. This this character challenge I. This is the year. Tiffany that we're going to work on. The hard conversations purview and then. I'm like we're going baseline instead gym membership. That's what I do this. Booty or like can be a better friend who are. GonNa be a better Auntie this year so every year kind of set like goals in like this always on the list. And I'm like yeah. I don't think I think I'M GONNA put this one to the so. This is the it's forcing my hand. Like girl you will not be able to elevate to the next level so I just said it's just like have you ever read the year of. Yes by Sean. Nobody heard is you're gonNA say yes. Oh it's so you need to read it. It's actually a quick read but it's about how Sean Who was incredibly insecure and it's different because her insecurities and her shyness and her anxiety stemmed in part from her her weight issues so she struggled with her weight and anyway and there was one year that she decided because she was always the writer inside for. Shell like never went out. Never said yes to any invitations in. Hollywood would just hide from any and then she decided one year like okay. I'm done with this and I. It wasn't like she had some big epiphany. It was like it's like you're saying it's just you kind of get tired of having the same conversation with yourself and you're like you know what this is the year. I'm just going to say yes to everything and it's I really recommend it. I even recommend the audio book because she reads it herself. I think I might have the listen to the audio book version. But that's great what I would also say because I had the same internal dialogue. I think a lot of us do. There's always like personal sloth like character flaw or flaws. Plural that you have. That aren't as easy to imagine. Like as clear. Cut a path like you WANNA fit into that Bikini in six weeks. You know you need to eat less and work more. But but it's almost like with these. You know character like the internal things that we have that that can hinder us. Were hold us back like you said there's not a clear path and so it's it's harder and it's also harder to measure success and what I also like. I hope that you celebrate even though it has led to more conversations. You still like celebrate the win that you had the conversation you might not have had an pat yourself on the back and acknowledge that it may not be like a clear linear path and to get to the point where you're like. It may always be uncomfortable. And I think it probably will because you're a human being able to have conversations with people but it's like you know how much time do you spend agonizing over it? Do you always get bubble guts? Okay no this time. I didn't get the bomb wasn't in the bathroom for four hours. And like give yourself a pat if you improve a little bit And that's and this is just like the type of thing that I've worked on coming back from. All the postpartum anxiety is okay. If I fell asleep you know within forty five minutes last night instead of four hours like. That's a win Okay and just mark those little. Those little wins. 'cause it isn't as yeah. She's not as linear as some of the goals. Like you talked about before you working out etc. No that is really good advice. I didn't think about the fact is you had the conversation. Tiffany that big the most normally. I'd be like oh I double booked. Hey macy's can we talk? I'll be the master of order like sometimes Superman will ask me talk to supergirl about something difficult. Like maybe like they got into an argument. He's a key talked to her. So you know because maybe they argue over like her not cleaning her room and whatever. She's getting Sassy he's talked to him. Lie to WanNa talk to her teenager later. She's GonNa kill me so I'm just yeah. It literally permeates every aspect of my life like a Bieber. It permeates every aspect of my life. I could be at the supermarket and be like the person that's standing too close behind me and you should really tell them sixty please and like in my inside. I'm like dying like you should say. Let's say that you just say it's a serious you so it's yes. I'm saying but honestly one thing I'd like I've learned from you. I absolutely need to get a therapist. I've been saying for a long time anyway because like you know like I'm typically decent and managing stress will let me not say that 'cause who knows a battle even nope. I'm these who knows what these but I don't think typically a lot of things bring me stress like they used to so I was kind of like. Oh good but I realized now I would really love tools in resources to manage like stress and also tools and resources because I was asking myself. I'm like I actually don't have the tools and resources to navigate this 'cause I like I grew up in a house like my parents were really strict. And so it was like you. You have to be like walk the straight and narrow or else and so I know that a lot of anxiety comes from what's or else mean Tiffany like have to be like in the straight and narrow or or else. And that's what that's the fear that carry around with me. Is this fear of the or else and even non adult now. It's like well you get cut off. You know you. You're not nine. You're not gonNA get a spanking. You know but I still carry that or else. Fear along with me and I'm just like I want to be able to let that go but I know that you can't build a house that you want without the proper tools and I know it's like okay. It's pastime it's time to get the proper tool so I'm actually looking forward to that because I'm like you know 'cause I I used to go to therapy when I was in college because I was like so overwhelmed and it was really really really helpful but I have not gone honestly since even though I've said that I wanted to. It's just been I haven't put the effort in not because I'm opposed to therapy. I'm like next time next time. So I just think that Yeah have to make it as important as the other things in my life to like on a therapist you know I have a great insurance so I know that it will be covered so my girl. The airbag takes insurance like Magical Unicorn. They don't think that's part of the problem is like in. This is how I found my therapist. I what I found this Great Prenatal Yoga Studio that actually a wellness A wellness Business that focuses on like post and prenatal massage therapy and they have like new mom trainings and we did all over like infants. Cpr classes there. So it's more than just yoga. And they have they refer people to experts in the field like they have like a certain like they have the door certain experts so they endorsed these three or four different prenatal there who could who really specialized with new moms or moms dealing with things already and I call all of them and none of them took my insurance but I got referred from them to someone who did take my insurance and I and I kept interviewing so it's almost it does take work. You have to start calling. Do you take this insurance. No do you know someone who does cool and then you have to kind of keep calling and it took me maybe a couple of weeks to finally land on the Therapist. I eventually got it. It's been great and I just I have a friend of mine had a baby Just a few weeks ago and she She had been dealing with a lot of anxiety prior to the birth because of the covert situation and that has continued to plague her just the being already stressful enough and I was like listen. I'm happy I'll ask my therapist. Is She knows anybody near you. Who's doing and this is A. This is a good time to because part of the struggle finding a good therapist. Is You know they often want to see you in person? But with what's going on with covert many more will not many more. All of them are especially in New York. Where places are shut down. You have to meet virtually so you may be able to see someone who's not who in the commute won't be a factor you know but you know you did that. You found that financial planner and you. I was just thinking about this. What's it was a two week? I interviewed like thirteen people. I like some says I was just thinking outside. Girl and people put much effort into your financial planner and like literally had like a spreadsheet and. I like this and this I did. I did all this pre work of what I needed and I mean it was probably a months worth of work to find and it was very overwhelming but I knew that at the end I was going to find the right person and I did. Angela's amazing and I was like well. Tiffany will literally said I was like girl. You can put the effort into the finding your financial plan. You can certainly put the effort into finding the right therapy because I think it would just be so helpful at my poor France could stop here and talk about the same thing. Because when I'm stressed about something I will tell you over and over like hey. Hey brand is that. They'll that we talked about yesterday. Game My Gosh. So yeah now. This is what I was talking to you man. He's always like I always feel like some of the spaces. I'm like you have like one foot in the door of like. Yeah been there done that working it out. This is what I bring back so we appreciate that just Sharon. I'm learning. I mean not that I. It's always what I struggle with is what I'm talking to you about. Which is under S- giving myself grace and giving myself a break on the path toward improvement. You know like and adjusting my own expectations for what success looks like so it just. It's everything I've ever tried to achieve like weight loss I've always had been with my weight and I'll be like I'M GONNA lose forty pounds by three months from now which is not realistic. And and it's the same thing with this with the postpartum anxiety it was. I'm going to fix this. This is a problem. I'm going to solve now and I'm going to talk to end. No I mean I had to start the work for my postpartum anxiety started back in August when I started to see my therapist end. I was like okay so I have you. I'm feeling anxious. So we're GONNA fix this week right and she's like no no. We have to start the journey. You know and and I had to be patient with myself because I you know you want like quick results and I have to celebrate and I was just talking to the Psychiatrist I see because I take prescription medication to help and talking to her. She also wanted to know like what are the small like. What are the improvements that you've seen and by talking through the improvement? No I'm not perfect. Whatever that idea is I'm not a hundred percent you know. Obviously I never will be one hundred percent because I have a baby now. Some different kind of person But you know I could measure six and I could see by talking through. Oh I have made you know big strides and I am doing a lot. Better and I I should like celebrate that and not be so stressed that I'm not like my own idea of over it or better whatever. Those vague words are That's the thing like over in better. You'll be better. I should be. Yeah no because this is like the kids are always going to stress me stress you out and work as always gonna be stressful for you. You run a business like this is going to happen again and again and it's about does it get a little bit easier each time. Do you have the tools next time? So that maybe it's not five conversations you know it's four instead of you know what? I mean Anyway and I think it's also helpful to talk things out and I hope that flew. When's the next conversation and you already got the mediator in right. Yeah so I don't have We don't have the next conversation yet but it probably ended about about a week. I just waiting the meteorologist To confirm like that that she's like you know we're all good to go and then I'll I'll schedule a time That I'm actually looking kind of looking forward to like because I'm like okay. It'll be somebody else there to help. Navigate the things that I want to say but also to somebody else. Older helped me navigate hearing and listening you know so. I mean but like I thought there was a little bit of movement made today with her so I was like. Oh okay. She is listening and she sees it. There's something and there was definitely a little bit of give of like see what you're saying. Don't believe agree but wisdom may be some compromise so there was definitely a She was like some compromise that we could make here. Yeah so so. At least it wasn't like absolutely not which would have been like you know. What do we do now? It was like? Yeah that there's some compromises that I could see being meeting slow growth. Grow you on your grow your on your growth shit. You know. Remember bags guys I used to. I still owe you mean on the show. You data remember. You're like I'm to be cursing every once in a while a little potty mouth here and there but then you know I don't know if you listen to the show. Tiffany thank ask her editor I. It's just who I am. I don't think about it You Know I. My mom always had a potty mouth and it's just like whatever I always looked at that study that said that people who curse are smarter really handle things better Anyway but the day that Rio starts mimicking what I say. That's when I'll have to tighten it up. I'm really just letting it all hang out now and you And you'd be surprised like because it's like Superman is. They occur just for no reason dishonorable resent and I remember when I first met him. And we're were looking at his daughter at the time it was like five or six seed in cars and how come you have potty mouth like you know he. He's not a cursor like an anger is just like you know you know you might say. Hey what's up today? You Know Shit. That's just wait. On the opposite of that cursor interesting I'll just say I don't. I was actually really shocked. That she like supergirl. Did it curse? I was like well. How come she doesn't curse curse and he was all she knows better. I'm like yeah but I don't want to work. I don't even know how he made us that like to this day. At least not I'm source. He's a teenager now so I'm sure he's potty battling out with her friends. But I thought an adult company if I curse when I was little. I don't know who told me that the TV. I don't know but When I found out that I wasn't gonNA get smited hit with lightning. Bolt it just all. It all happens loveless night. Nothing real quick. I wanted to catch you up on my dad situation because I know I talked about him losing his job and he's he lives in Georgia and he We had my brother and I kinda tag teaming. If you're out. His unemployment benefits and for a lot of people in different states. Like my dad like it's taken weeks for him to get his first unemployment check he finally got it and then had to wait an additional couple of weeks to get that extra six hundred dollar Stimulus unemployment check and I just wanted to let people know like if you've been waiting on it I would say one thing that helped is that we went to the Department of Labor facebook page and honestly there was more feed. There's more information from their social media team on their facebook page and there was on the actual website or trying to call And it was one of those things where you do. You think you're doing all the things and you're calling in your like stressing and my brother and I were talking about it and I would be on social trying to like a piece together. An explanation from different comments that the social media person had left and then all of a sudden it just showed up in his bank account one day. And I'm like it probably would have showed up without a stressing about it but of course you want to think you can control things But it's good. Finally that he's getting his unemployment benefits and his job. He works for the Transit Authority. Atlanta has asked him to come back like at limited hours and he's decided not to do it because they're not Like it just would still be unsafe. He's he getting passengers on a bus. You know just isn't and he's got existing pre existing conditions and and all that but Just lying to acknowledge that. There's still people out there who struggling and you know if you haven't gotten your benefits or you have questions. You always can send us a NO BRANDON. Bishen PODCAST AT DAV. And maybe we can help point you to some resources. F anything in your state but let us know if you're if you're struggling or if you need anything To here how you guys are coping with. You know everything that's going on. Yeah that would be great. 'cause my dad's called me yesterday. He's I have still have no gutted my money. Llc waiting on what's He. Waiting on the stimulus wait the the stimulus so the one time like payment twelve hundred. Okay Yeah My my dad I forget if he got that or not so yeah he. What happened was unemployment benefits. They you got. You're eligible for like if you lost your job. You'd be eligible for unemployment benefits on top of that. They added an additional six hundred dollars through the end of July for workers out of work. That's what the cares act provided and then separate from that there is a twelve hundred dollar stimulus. Check that you got based on your income which is like a separate thing Yeah and it's left to be. It's left to be determined if they're going to be extending this or doing it again. I mean a girlfriend of mine texting today to let me know that her job said they will not be reopening until September the day after Labor Day or the week after Labor Day at the earliest and she works in New York City. Yeah so I'll just feeling summer summer. Twenty twenty inches leg cancelled just gone. You know the kids like so governor Murphy. The governor of my state just posted on g yesterday or today just saying hey so schools closed for the rest of the school year. Stowe these babies hang almac Mike Right. Yeah Yeah I don't know what to do like supergirl. I guess we'll get her some tutor. I mean she's been does I've no more virtual. They're still doing e-learning right or doesn't mean Okay okay so it's that's not going back exactly to still so like so the way it works at least super on her school is at every morning at eight. Am she gets classwork schoolwork completed by eight PM but then at three at two forty five to like three five or like an hour to two hours. She has to log into zoom for a lesson but I might usually at school all day. So how are you getting all that you need with like this like one or two hours worth of visual lesson and then you know just like? Here's some work to do. I don't know so. And meanwhile she's going to ninth grade so that's the big worry 'cause she's headed to high school so it's like. Is She going to be ready? I mean we're fortunate in that you know. Obviously we can pay for Tudor and things to make sure she's good because here in Newark you have to place into the high school. They will take a test. She got two really good high school. So you know you. WanNa in in. It's very competitive. And it's not going to be easy. Although she's been a good student but still for you know second in the last quarter of your eighth grade year not to have like this traditional instruction and then we'll see what happens is a to go to school to high school at that. So there's some worry there I think about other parents who might not be able to afford tutoring? What do they do you know well? At least there's comfort in knowing that your kids not the only kid who's behind like and you hope that and my cousin is a high school principal in Manhattan. And she's talked about they are having conversations around do you Especially with younger kids like do you hold them back a little bit. So that they don't does the not so far behind or do you plan to catch up on stuff at the beginning of the year to acknowledge like what they might have missed the end of the year and I hope that you know the the hope the school systems will figure out a way to not make it so that kids like like supergirl come into school feeling. They're so far behind like they. They can adjust the course a little bit so that they can catch up if they need to it. All Man. Yeah it's IT'S. It's hard enough with the baby but like having kids in school. 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You felt you digging and you you struggled. Yes they would say It's a fabulous show on Netflix About a family who runs a funeral home in New Zealand or Polynesian? Anyway one of our listeners was like I squealed when you mentioned the CASCA. I love that show. And I'm just so glad that there's another Weirdo out. There who listens to our show to you whose name I don't remember and again people have been commenting I've been. I've been posting more than usual just like day to day I'm trying to document life in quarantine parenting and quarantine just part of me. Just doesn't WanNa forget ways. Almost like I'm living on imagining like telling grandchildren are like wanting to remember this time in our history and so I'm trying to document more of it and people have a brown ambition listeners. Who usually just message us on our B account found. My personal one has been a really have been. It's been helping me to hear from all when I POST. Like my parenting foibles or you know the the working from home with the baby stuff and it helps me to know that you guys are out there in that That you're making sure that stuff. I'm I'm happy to make a fool of myself how how we look at the camera. Lay what's he's so adorable that Hans and little these cheeks. God knew exactly. Who's making baby so cute because you're like no what he wasn't so God help helping ugly baby because like I'm just kidding. Just kidding we listen. We're in riquet houses Coffee Cup with Rios Baby Newborn Picture on it and I'm looking at like he was a lot. Cuter in my love is blind. But me. Let me pop into these questions real quick again. Y'All can hit us up on the Graham Brennan Bishen podcast on Instagram You can also find if you just want to eat directly. It's Brennan Ambition podcast at G. Mel Dot Com our first question. I've Lost Google Doc. Come to me. Our first question comes from listener. Who just wants to be referred to as she says. I'm a huge fan of the show. I listen while every week. I'm wondering since federal student loan payments have been waived until the end of September. Thanks to Congress stimulus package the cares act. What do guys think I should do with the money that would normally go toward my student? Loan each month right now. My Student Loan Balances. Twenty seven thousand. Fortunately I'm still employed full-time right now. I'm using half of my stimulus funds. So she's gotten that twelve hundred dollar check. We talked about to pay off credit card debt. I have a car note in a personal loan and about two thousand dollars saved in an emergency fund issue is. She doesn't tell us how much she saving with student. Loan payment but like for purposes list. Imagine it's a few hundred dollars if her you know for Balances Twenty seven thousand dollars. I can imagine it's a few hundred dollars a month That she's wondering what she do with it Any thoughts. Yes. Only because. I suspect that her life did she say where she lives. She does not disclose her location so I suspect that her life cost her more than two thousand a month. Because that's how much she has in savings right her -mergency say yes so. My concern is during times like this. I really mean I cannot preach this enough to be having a strong cash position. Saving saving savings. Normally you know me and Mandy are like no dead no way but during times that. Look like what's shaping up to be a recession. I really want you to have enough savings. Although I'm glad that your job you still intact. There's no no job is guaranteed. One sickness can happen to anything can happen during times like these. I would much rather if it was me even though I would I would normally say we'll put it torture student loan debt because right now it's going to go totally totally the principal. But now I'm like no put it in an online only savings account gonNA magnify money by one that gives the highest interest rate and has a raiding. And that's what I would say. I would put money there because I want you to have at least a few months of expenses of your most essential expenses saved just to be on the safe side in case something should happen down the line while we're still in these like down economic times. Yeah and she mentions while she mentioned a couple of other loans that she has. She has a personal loan and a car. Note so I agree with Tiffany beef. That Emergency Fund But if you're you know if your car note your personal loan if you could maybe put a little bit of that extra money towards those debts to pay them off especially personal loan you know that could be a good use of the money but at the same time maybe put part of it away for your savings to to beef it up. You know doesn't have to be all or nothing no does it. Yeah but that's that's I'm glad it's like that's the point of them making it so that you don't have to make your federal student loan payments for the next. How many is September seventy five or four? I can't think it seems like forever way Is to give you guys some extra wiggle room and yeah to to be saving it and and using it to pay down debt is exactly you know the right way of going about it. Yeah all right. Do you think you for your question. Let's take we have like some one syllable questions today. This one comes from listeners. Who wants to go buy low low? Says I love the show. I have reached my emergency savings goal of twenty thousand dollars recently and I decided I don't want to invest more than I already am into my 401k. During these turbulent times so I started looking into money market accounts. Could you tell me what are some of the pros and cons of putting your money in a money market account? Thank you low low Tau I no. No no no no no no. Your money's down the low low if you don't invest yeah well money. Markets are like first of all. There's nothing special about money market accounts. They're basically a savings account that check writing abilities. And it's not and maybe you get a card but then why not. Just get a checking account and I mean I haven't checked the rates recently. But they're really not great worse than or they're just as good as a regular savings account. So there's really not a there's not a benefit to a money market account and when it comes to not wanting to invest so let's unpack that so you've reached your emergency savings of Twenty k. That's fabulous and I mean that sounds significant. That sounds great. And now you're looking at okay. So the market is down. I have a four one K. Should I be putting extra money that I would have been putting him emergency savings into the market or should I be more conservative and put it into a deposit account such as Money Market Fund? I know it seems counterintuitive but I and we talked before and again. We're not investing experts. We just share the knowledge that we have from our own experience. I try and think of this time as like a clearance sale and I try and think of clearance sale on stocks so stocks are a largely down although they have you look at your 401k. Like I did recently. My 401k is not almost back to where it was. But it's on the way back. It's pretty it's definitely one way back and it's only been a few months. I try and think now is the time when you want to be investing if you are hopeful about the future if you have a long time horizon if you're especially if you're someone in your thirties or forties our younger you certainly have a few several decades ahead of you to whether not just this economic crisis but maybe a couple more and I personally increased my 401k contribution and it did feel a little counter intuitive but it really makes sense because the money that you invest. Now you'll be able to get more for it then you would have normally and then when the market does bounce back you those investments will grow and you should be better off in the end than if you didn't invest anything. Yes that's the hope. Of course nothing certain but as a recession baby myself I who started to save a 401k. Right after the recession hit. I'm so grateful that I did and I think we will You just have to look at what history has shown us which is that. The market will recover. This is this is also a very different recession. This is slated recession. We will reopen the economy. It may take awhile but already the market has started to go up and I think I definitely maybe put it in an online savings account if you really just want some security or CD. We've talked about before but there's no point in a money market and my opinion. Yeah right like well I want. This is low right so low so I get it because I'm totally you where I'm like. Investing scary scary but demand is point if you've got ten more years and you should look at investing is a long term activity so there's something called dollar cost averaging so this is what. I suggest is what I'm leaning into so dollar cost. Averaging is when if you're an investor you have money to invest you divide up. Let's say you have. You know a thousand dollars that you don't put it thousand dollars into the market today that instead you say You know what I'm GonNa divide a thousand dollars times ten months and I'm GONNA put a hundred dollars into the market. The first of every month and as the market goes up and down up and down into the market your retirement account it can mean opening up a target date fund or mutual fund or investing in indexes. But if you do that if you if you consistently put money away investing this is dollar cost. Averaging it means that there will be some days that you put money in and your money goes down and there'll be some days you put money in in your money goes up and the ups and downs will average out to basic return. So that's what I would lean into that I it. You'd I'm assuming that you're putting money if you boost your twenty thousand dollars that you didn't reach the twenty thousand dollars in one lump sum that let's say you were saving five hundred bucks a month you know and you're like okay. I don't need any more additional savings so I would be putting that five hundred bucks a month consistently and you will see over the next ten years or so that you know yes there will be. Sometimes your money has gone down and sometimes it's GonNa way up and but it will average out to an up over time. That is what the market teaches us. And so it you actually lose money. Like don't be like me. I was such a quarter of cash like I can only imagine in the last ten years. How much money. I actually lost by saving so much in cash. I had someone saved in cash. The House I'm sitting now I bought with cat. You should not much like I should not have had that much say and I knew it was my fear. Even though like my brain was like tiffany. You don't need this much this crazy but my heart was like abscam get obscure. Don't WANNA lose. I don't WANNA lose it so I ended up buying a house cash. Which is honestly that's great and all but you know I lost out in in the long run by giving my money chance to grow as that's what I want for you. So Diego Goals dollar cost averaging which just basically means that you just put money in Basically it's almost like drip market and you just drip drip investing you just drip drip drip your money in Consistently over time and that you will see consistently over time the good times and the bad times will way out to decent times over time. Yeah definitely one hundred percent and twenty km the bank. I mean if you want someone to help a financial planner can help you. Decide like especially my financial planner. She helped me strategize. I didn't do. I didn't start saving like putting everything into the market and his stocks when we were like a little bit conservative so for shorter term goals. We opened a couple of CDs and then we put extra money into our IRA like there's different levels. You know but money markets again like you might as well put money into you. Let savings account it'll be it'll do just as well if not better than the money market While we're on the subject they had another. We had a similar question from a listener. Essentially wanting to know okay. So of now is a good time to invest. How do I start and this is from a listener? What does she want to be remain? Anonymous where did it go? I swiped on my phone. Oh here we go Let's see from instagram. Let's just call her too. Because I see that in her instant name. I don't know how to pronounce the rest of it. I love saying now a good time to invest. I WanNa take advantage of the discounted prices that you guys talk about on the show and discount. She means like when. I say clearance sale But there is a lot of information overload in books. I'm reading and it's hard to know when you're really truly ready to jump in and when you're a novice investor thanked remain anonymous. Well Okay 'cause I didn't use your real name so yeah so similar okay. So people like her who you know they want to jump in. It's like trying to jump in and during a game a double Dutch. Like you're trying to like anyplace send era lahser fell. Okay anyway you could. I could just see you walk away. Just just John but jump into like you know jumping with your toe like whoa. Anyway I've been talking about tiff war. Would you say to this? I honestly do so. This is what I would say. I would say look into index fund. So if you now is the time to be like I'M GONNA START. Picking STOCKS IT. I because you're not going to know and even if you happen to luckily pick a stock that goes up like let's just say like beyond meat did really great today right you do. But if you haven't followed like what made beyond me good stock. You know one of their profits versus dad are you know. Are they using cash effectively? Like who's running the company so Y- to understand why a stock actually went up. It's like buying a house without getting an inspection like. Why is this House will good house? So then I wouldn't be purchasing individual stocks and less. You're going to like take a course and learn more about how to properly do. So if you don't do anything else. You can invest in the in an index so you can invest in an index almost as a as as a stock let's call. Etf that's you can. I don't remember some of the symbols like be. Oh there's some symbols you can little just google. Etf index funds and so an index bond is just a like the S&P five hundred the Dow. The what does it what some other indexes I was around hundred the sand like SNP is kind of like when you're opening up an index fund. This is most likely the index will track against and you can start with anything like and I think even for a novice. It's almost like we open account. You can open an account. Vanguard at Fidelity at your local your bank might have An investing platform like you. There's a bunch of like low cost brokerage accounts out there open up Individual IRA account Or sorry an IRA account or like a brokerage account which are a little bit different. I can post a helpful article on this too. I know you said you're overloaded by reading. But you want to understand a little bit type of account that you're getting once you're in there. If you really just want hands off you can do. Like a target date fund which is a type of mutual fund that tracks it. You'd pick the target date fund that matches when you think you'll retire and then it just invest for you. I have a target date fund in my 401k. It's worked out beautifully for me. I don't have to think about it and it's just grown because at its risk it's very heavily invested in stocks now and it will get concerned more conservative as they get older closer to target date. Yes that being said like. I was talking to my cousin yesterday and a banana who I love. She's how old is she now like to be called Anonyna- but whatever twenty one twenty two and she's been She has been playing around with them. Investing ups like acorns and Stash and there are these Robo Advisors That can also be like a an entry way into investing and ultimately. It's it's kind of the same thing they helped you. Invest in index funds like diversified Mutual funds which is you know they kind of take the guesswork out of it for you. So it's almost a question of would you rather take the brokerage account you want and do the work of setting up your account through them Which takes a little bit of of Research? Or you can use advisor which takes even less of the guesswork out of the whole investing thing just to get your feet wet. I mean those are So I think we talked about acorns before forgetting like. It's like ACORNS Well it's not really that well. I guess the Betterment Wealth Front and you look like when it comes to index funds like like at a look at vanguard or or a child swab or fidelity they usually almost all have something called a total market. But meeting. Basically you're buying like a slice of what the market is so as the market goes up. Your money goes up as it goes down. Your money goes down over time. The market goes up over time. And so if you don't do anything else like yeah. Getting like investing in an index fund and and looking at a total market fund. And that's the most set it and forget it that you can get in a ten year. Span. The likelihood is is your money is going to grow without any interference from you like if you're wanting to learn about stocks and this and that didn't do that but you know not now. I don't think it's almost like oh you know you're learning how to fly the plane on your way up. It's like Now time now's the time to be a bigger autopilot and then you know when you're safely on the ground take your take your flight lessons like don't take flight lessons like the day of your first flight because you're guaranteed to lose money that way. I think anyway. Yeah I also think anyone who's thinking about starting to invest. I just say just do it. The easiest way possible just like get a small win now rather than waiting to be an expert. You reading books. I think that's have to read all those books to be honest and reading those books. You're kind of like you're you could just open a target date fund and just start putting like five hundred bucks a month or however much you can afford and show that target date fund and then you can do additional research. Tiff said and learn. How did you more more nuanced investing or maybe by some individual stocks? If you have money to play around with before now is just like just start. Now if you're if you're new if you just getting a new job and your opening up your first 401k. This is great. Because you're again the money that you're contributing now that if you contribute one hundred dollars to your 401k. Today when stocks are lower than they were a year ago. That one hundred dollars by you more right so if those stocks that you buy ended up increasing in value. Will you've got a bigger return on your investment because you bought low? You can't plan for this kind of thing but I would say if you if you have like we said before if you have time on your side and you can handle a little bit of risk it now and again in vestment experts. We're just I'm just someone who's opened a 401k. After the last recession and saw great things happen I would say yes. Just start and don't think it Which people especially women we like to feel like we understand something entirely before we jump in and you could just set yourself up to miss out on potential returns by waiting until you are an expert to today. Then exactly exactly. He's leaving as my husband. My husband my sister's husband was as long as you brought chestnut. So it's how were busa breaks going to boost you're gonNA bring you going to boost the break going to boost that you'RE GONNA. I'm GonNa let you go for you're GonNa let me go. I thank you I could tell I can always tell on how you deliver it whether or not. I'm going to go first. I'M GONNA do boost for my sister and my brother and for myself for letting them help me because in my pandemic parenting lifestyle right now. I usually am always leading the charge for like group gifts for our mom group gifts for birth for the dad for the birthday like for. Father's day mother's day that kind of stuff. I just don't have the brain power of bandwidth. I thought Mother's Day was two weeks from now. Okay it's let's and listen and if you're listening to this Wednesday morning it is this Sunday. I should know this. I'm actually on this year anyway but thank God for my sister because she arranged flower and listen to the show. She arranged flowers for my mom and I had part of my identity is sort of like wrapped up in being the one who takes care of Shit in siblings group. You know and I've just had to let it go and let my brother and sister step up and it was the same story era. My mother's birthday last month when we did. We wanted to compile all these video messages from all of her loved ones across the country friends. She has since she hasn't seen since college. And you know from her early working days and I. I was like an edited and I'm going to collect all the video snippets. No no no. No very quickly. I learned I needed to ask them for help. And Anyway it's a small thing but if you if you guys can ask for help from siblings I've I've it's brought so much closer together that I've like been open to having them help more and I love them so so much and I feel so blessed to have them here to help me keep it together and I just don't know where I just don't know where I'd be right now with my brother and my sister And I and I just wanted to to boost that boost family boost the help and boost me for asking for it which we all know. I have struggled to do in the past. And that's why Mommy wrist and my wrist ISN abrasive because I literally didn't ask for help with the baby for a very long time and now I'm paying for it. Well Yeah So. I'm going to wait. Did I talk about own last week? On like the network. Yeah now what what about it? Okay had the worst remember. We're GONNA talking about it so I am going to a boost because so now that the press release I can finally share. 'cause I said can I share so a few weeks ago this production company that we all know we've seen this production companies name FLASH ACROSS THE SCREEN. Many many times we sat was that. How interested in doing this show are being a guest on the show with Banzai knows what a Yann Lonzo should. I knew who that is. So Miss Fixture Life China who say oh my Gosh. I need to do Google. She's She is one of the proteges of Oprah so she'd be like I'm not her protege but so that's that's how Sassy she is so it's like you know how like Oprah these her main people that she's kind of like brought on board right. So it's like Dr Phil Doctor for Dr Phil ause anymore. No we're not just saying that like this is like you know. How like Oprah brought these people like Yes yes. She's given her gift. She's given them her shine. Autobahn Donnas. I can't you never heard big picture light. That's like A. It's a huge because everybody has jokes about anyway. Sorry me nine by about the CASCA tears but I forgave you. I it although I wouldn't find. Oh We'd love to have you on the show you know so. I did like Like a pre interview. Gosh we love. We love you so it's just so funny. How always love you? All you need to do is gone up on with them. They're gonNA love you and I'm always like oh I don't know it so it's funny about how you plant seeds sometimes years in advance so the big producer was like. Oh my God years ago I took your your challenge in it totally helped me and then the young producer shouted Jessica. She was like. Oh my God when your name came up although we have to use her and I'm like I know you remind struck there At the weaned academy so the Wiener Akademie. I can't remember what we stand for as women in entertainment so every year. I volunteer and I teach free financial class but these young women who are between the ages typically like sixteen twenty something and they attend a blind to New York and attend a weekend long like a academy. And it's really awesome and it's all sisters and Brown girls and I just thought to myself. Wow that had. I not been doing that year after year. Who knows that they would have been thought of me? 'cause I ask. How did you finally? She's like Oh you know you came and Utah and you were so awesome. And he was so giving and I'm like Oh wow so anyway. They reach out. We like to have you on the show and I'm thinking okay. I'll be on this. It's a limited series Docu series with Iran talking about beer and of course I'm GonNa talk about financial. Peer didn't think anything of it until the press release comes out and it says new show on network DOCU series. Special guests include Oprah Winfrey. I was like wait. Aren RB LEGEND BB winans. Okay what financial educator Tiffany. The budget needs to elite. That's being Marini on dead in sentence yes and an offensive and your them follows own. What basically you're on your way to being on her. The next tour backseats passes backstage pass congrats. Fd BEF things. Yes yes just like you know like at first. I was kind of was already excited before. But I didn't know that Oprah was also going to be guests on the show so it just is this things like that you're like wow but you'd think about the you know like what you what you so you know what you reap you truly have sown. I think to myself like I remember when I I did the first liberty challenge. Everyone said basically. I was dumb because I was giving it away for free but I'm like no people really need help. There has to be something I mean I speak. It and I have books now. So the challenges were my way to say. If you don't have any money I can give you a full fledged course like we're totally free. And it's like year six and all of them are still completely free. There's been no Gotcha. Gotcha I did one with with magnify. Money and Mandy was my special guest every week So that was the credit one which was like one of my favorite ones. And so you just think about things like that that people tell you are like not the right move or take. Take take or don't give and you think to yourself. How did that given these two instances? Maybe they wouldn't have thought of me and who knows wanted airs. It's supposed to air what was supposed to begin. Airing when my component airs but begins Airing Mesa jury tape twenty twenty. Maybe so you must have. Oh well this. Quick turnaround was or was pre pandemic. Take different ways like they sent me like the equipment to set up. This is exciting. I own girl. I'm glad I got cable for for life. I don't which I'm like Dame I gonNA have to get cable for someone that you can get like seven days free trial to get to two special. Make sure your time it right speaking. I was like wait a minute. What am I gonNA come on so yeah it was just like one of those like full circle moments of like you know reaping what you sow and I don't know just felt good to just you know have actually have to call my mom and tell her because you know she has to let all the aunties now all the aunties now And so I don't want her to hear from them. I should like they told me commuted. I wasn't prepared. So yeah. That's my big boost. The ups and downs and entrepreneurship. You have those as you like and sometimes it's in the same day But that's definitely something that I'm excited about. I am a little nervous because I felt like I was nervous. I don't know how well I did honestly. Sometimes I can gauge We'll see that you're in the pressure. Lee is yeah. I know I know but that doesn't mean I did good I. I don't know we don't see we bought. We'll all be together if it's terrible that's my biggest worry is. I'll do this whole big thing where I'm like. Oh Party and then it'd be like Ooh you will. You will always have done the best Yana. What's her name young you will. You will always have done the best interview with John La as you ever had done because it's the first one I low expectations. Tiffany we talked about this. Low to the I personally should boosted the fact that when I got that molly more book in. The Mail and I. It's just so exciting because like every friend I've got a few friends who've written books and get it. I just feel like in some small part. I was there when this was just an idea. And it was just like and it's one of those things that you've been talking about for years on the podcast and it's just so good to feel them in my hands on and I was so excited and real love. The pictures and illustrations are beautiful. And it's such a cute little book I do WanNa know what kind of friends molly more has. Who were getting her five bikes and four phones and twelve dogs. And like it's all for counting. Gotcha GOTCHA GOTCHA. I know congressional. 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Full Show (Brady + LeBron, Kyrie's impact, Lakers headed to playoffs?, AD sweepstakes)

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Full Show (Brady + LeBron, Kyrie's impact, Lakers headed to playoffs?, AD sweepstakes)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host. Johnny taft. This podcast is the full show. From today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. Let's get to it. Welcome to undisputed live from Los Angeles. I'm Jamie measure here with Greg Jennings. Crystal sard, rob Parker. Good morning guys. I don't know who decided it was a good idea to let us run the show. But here we are promised not the bird down the show. I would be here. We allowed fun lot of kale. Wait, no doubt about it. And don't take this personal guys. Oh, no. I do know that every day yell. You know, we'll still be right. It's all. My hope you keep these. The help. I can get guys. Let's start with the popular topic the Los Angeles Lakers. They get a huge win in Boston last week. But it did not carry over yesterday against the Sixers broad wasn't assists shy of a triple double. Kyle. Kuzma, dropped thirty nine. But they were still blown out one forty three one twenty the Lakers defense continued to struggle. And it's the second time this season. They've allowed one hundred and forty three points strolling bead the way from Philly with thirty seven points fourteen boards, Lakers now, two and a half games out of a playoff spot in the west with just twenty six games left this season. Let's start with you. Are you worried about the Lakers maybe not making the playoffs playoffs? Not at all near two words. They give me a sure is that the Lakers will definitely make the playoffs love Brian James. I mean seriously, and this is all based on him staying healthy. The only reason is even question, obviously is because he missed seventeen games if LeBron James is healthy Lakers fans. Listen to me. They will definitely make the playoffs. There's other reasons to number one that eighth-seeded LA clippers. They don't even want to make the playoffs. Okay. They lose their draft pick this year. If to Boston if they missed the playoffs or if they make if they make the playoffs. So it's only lottery protect they don't even wanna make the playoffs. They just traded away to their starters. Tobias hairs Avery, Bradley and Tobias Harris, of course, was their leading score. Okay. And even win they had those two starters. They had gone fifteen in nineteen over the last two months. So they're not they want not even playing basketball when they had their better players. Now, they've traded him away. They're not trying to make the playoffs. They've got every incentive to fall out there. Only two and a half games ahead of the Lakers and Obama the way those teams play again twice. So if the Lakers just beat them head to head they'll be doing themselves favors Sacramento right now in the ninth seat. They're two games ahead of the Lakers. Their young I'm not betting on the air and FOX in and Marvin Bagley to outdistance LeBron James in a run for the playoffs. Then you've got the Lakers. Okay. That remember when they had LeBron James before he got hurt. They were six games above five hundred now right now, the clippers are as I said the AC there on pace to win forty five games. The Lakers to get to forty five. If it even takes that much the Lakers just need to go seventeen and nine check out their next six games, Atlanta. Well, six hundred next eight games. Atlanta New Orleans twice. Memphis, Phoenix, and the clippers those are some of the worst teams in the league and again half of them. Don't even wanna make the playoffs. Okay. So I'm telling you not only will the Lakers make the playoffs. They will be in the top eight by March fourth because that's win that last game of that stretch is so Lakers fans. Relax lebron. He not gonna get you a championship this year. But he will get you in to the postseason. I'm not one of those guys to say press, the panic button panic if you're Lakers fan, Chris all stuff. I heard everything you said what you left out a lot of stuff including that the clippers. Don't want to make the playoffs. Right. They go to in Boston and have one of the most incredible comebacks in their history. That sounds like a team that doesn't wanna make the playoffs. Talk about Wally were belayed playing great when it had LeBron. I got news for you Legrand. Played against Indiana. And there was no depot got blown out new brand played against the seventy Sixers, and they got blown up a prisoner of the mall. No, it's not. And then you talk about all, wait a minute. You know, they got these bad teams coming up that sounds good. But this Laker team also lost to the Knicks at home Cavaliers at Horam plan. Because it doesn't matter about aware matter what I'm telling you is that they've had stinkers bad. Now. Where does Emmanuel they're painted in such a corner? They can't afford to lose one or two of those games. And all the wise. They're going to be in dire straits. That's how tight of a corner that they're painted in. They don't have leeway to lose one or two of those games, those easy games that you're talking about this team against the good teams this year twelve and nineteen against teams over five hundred all and when you talk about defensively they are twenty third in the league. Points allow what are you physically fishing? I don't well. I don't go away. So how it's allowed Matt. So all I'm saying to you is and the teams that are right underneath them are the Knicks the pelicans and the Suns on points allowed. So this is not a really good basketball team even with LeBron. This is not a good enough team to be able to say, oh, yeah. Just putting the brand on the Eastern Conference. Chris I'm with you. That's why LeBron went to eight straight finals. This is the Western Conference. There's going to be games at the Lakers are gonna lose that. You'll be like, oh, I don't think they lose that game at Memphis or some other place. So all I'm saying is it's not guaranteed Greg that they're going to make the playoff Koby Mr. playoffs during his prime. This is going to be one of those situations will LeBron James because this unit isn't good enough. When LeBron was missing they were six and twelve all they handed you missing anymore. And they just want to Indiana. Philadelphia's my point they were long knows rain. Their line phone. They're not good to have. They be going. Not to be going say, what do you mean, they be gone state on Christmas day, you know, how long ago that was. Yeah. Christmas day that was a month ago who brought up the Nixon the great all. Seats. Please is not as good as wanna make it out even with LeBron James. And that's my point there on the bring rows easing on the break. I don't think you're understanding the question. I you're you're trying you're trying to make it seem like we don't we believe that this is the best Lakers team ever symbol because LeBron James. That's not. That's number one. That's not the question. That's not how we feel. But to answer the question the question. Yes. The Lakers are going to make the playoffs. No. They don't need to be worried because your point they have LeBron James tell me this was the last time LeBron James missed the playoffs. I'll was he played in. I'm gonna analyst with arisen. You say the west is be. So you're talking about that I covered playing I kind of figured he was going to say that last year this time the Lakers were in the same position. But they had they had five you're five year wins and five more losses. When I look. At them right now, they're in this position. And they were without LeBron James. So think about what I'm saying. And he's missed seventeen games. This. Laker team has been performing better this year than last year in the in the same position without LeBron James so moving forward. Now, you have LeBron James for the remainder of your season pouring into these young guys. Yes, they have to go over not he's going to galvanize that locker room he has to because of what transpired throughout the strange. Listen to what listen to what I'm saying. Listen, listen to our station with his guys guys matter of fact, stay down let your guys come and get you let your players let your brothers come pick you up because he understands ongoing to need these guys to know, I'm all in on them because they have to be all in on me I needed to play at the highest level that ever played it under the most pressure that they will ever be under this year. And I think we're you look at the landscape of what LeBron Jay. Has been able to do last year with the Cleveland Cavaliers at this point in the season. We were talking about. Oh my goodness. The Cleveland Cavaliers, what are they gonna do? They had just acquired all these other players in didn't look great or look great before the before the all star break, and then looked terrible. But all of a sudden what happened grand James had those guys buy in. And they went on a run. And they went to the fires no reason to believe that those guys who the Brom shipping outta town. Just a couple days ago going to automatically fall in line. If anything if you look at the three game cents or I know they got the win in Boston on the great shop. But you Rondo that one? I'm not doing that. They wanna get together thinking that the other thing is what you're saying is the problem. I have is the Western Conference is different and last year between three and eight was the separation of two games. They have painted himself in such a corner date. They. They have no wiggle room. And you're asking these guys to be the best that they can be an LeBron beat the best that he can be just to make the playoffs. I'm telling you of one or two bad nights will wreck the whole see him. Team. No wings, do but they'll be Tino that wall. Beat boston. They weren't supposed to be Golden State. You can go down the line. They've had good wins over all these teams. And you came talking about the west like this was last year or five years. No west if you haven't been paying attention is not what wire ago right to warrant to Lakers in many of the alert because seventeen but Rosa Rondo has missed already. They look at thirty games that they lost. When LeBron wasn't here that he's here now. But they just you want to. Now, he's not like bringing in mice. Bron James look when talking about one plate and Yana going. Our you're bringing it blown out in Indiana. I'm asking you did all depot blew up loan hours. Watch the ball. Everybody knew they were in a funk you they weren't. You have rob rob you know, that after the final score. But you didn't know that going into the game. All everybody thought that they were out of the picture. And so you ask them these guys come together after finding out. Okay. We need you. So can you play tonight? I'm back together. Now because they have in this not just it's not just about them doing it for the Lakers. They have to do it for themselves. They have future. These guys aren't some pickup basketball players at the par. Maybe. Way desma count whose menagian cloud does not good enough on still hurt. They don't need on lash. They got LeBron's Raza. Reggie. They wanna hang his jersey from the Rafter was ready to ship him out exact shaneco need who years ago. He didn't say how he was gonna hang all jersey from Iraq. And the brand isn't even back two hundred percent. And there's another thing he'll back looking sure he'll he'll get close. And you hope that LeBron doesn't have another injury that having to. Easy to read right and the load management. I don't know what he taken every three games off. Whatever that is. I don't know. That's why when I look at this. If they have a bad loss of Tula broad my pull back a little bit and say, I'm not gonna kill myself what? Well, what the Lakers fans should because -cerned about is not just making the playoffs but getting in the seven seat because I if you get in at number eight is going to be a quick experience. I got the Golden State will go to state has four five of the best players in the so they will take care of them. But look, they're only three games out of seven's. All right. We're saying Tony is San Antonio is San Antonio's lost four straight. They've lost eight of their last. They've gone eight nine in their last month and a half. So they're struggling lake of lost their last two three and seven in their last ten so they're not. I mean those world I don't care whether you thing going to limit your entire. To say, it doesn't matter as Brown play the way stacked in Clayton. Always a mouse. Can you did he play the last Elfi bet is just said about as lebrons? Did they don't do? They win every game. I'm just saying they're gonna win enough. We'll get into the playoff which your point is acting like he's a role not saying that I'm saying this team is not that good. Even with will Brown is best applauding seed it. When LeBron got hurt was early early simple sides. That was doing three months that will win an hour. See, rob? I don't even think you believe what do you when you? Let's forget let's forget about the Lakers for a second. Let's talk about the teams that are right in front of them in you. You said it best when you look at. We can go right to the nineteenth Sacramento. Do you believe the Sacramento is going to be able to sustain one say if done it all this? She also now I'm glad you said that because when we when we saw the sample size of the Lakers when they were fourth in the conference all of a sudden is not a large enough sample side. So with Sacramento doing right now, they're going to sustain because we see games into the season is only twenty what are you gonna say? They're going to go five and twenty in the lab, and he was making every every every every argument that you're making you're making a would if what if LeBron James gets hurt when everybody is up and most of all just say ganging up on. That's okay, four this is this is the easy way. Of course for anybody any analyst to come. I say, oh, you have coastal bras gonna make the plan. We leave easy hand allows on everybody playoffs. I get it. But Koby to didn't make the playoffs in his prime with a lesser squad. My point is this quad proved to me will abroad was. Out that they're not that good. They would six twelve they lost some really bad teams at home. And my point is they've painted themselves in such a corner now that the margin for error small. That's what I'm trying to say to you is that a ban loss of two could derail them. That's how much good. We that's much imperil this season. Is there derail? They aren't the world clothes off the track. Route that Cleveland team. He was on the last four years. They went to four straight final and. And never thought that they were getting one right win. Lebron was out in three years. Forget the last year he played every game. So the first three years when they still at kyri Irving and a good Kevin love they were four and twenty three without LeBron. That's worse than six and twelve. So LeBron can take guys that by themselves without him aren't that? Good and make them a really good team. Now, we're not saying again there threat to win the west they could push state to six or seven games. All we're saying is. Chris I met you said fifty three wins before the season started that. Bronze seventeen I'm talking about even without LeBron James isn't a good team with a winning good team. They have very all just hear me out a small window where if they have a bad couple of games, they could want missing a plan. That's how titles western, you know, work for that's what I'm trying to rob. I agree with you. But I wanted to. This is like allows you minded doing this answering the question as if LeBron is not in the ways. You're already given done ready. So say, this you come they're gonna make you. Yes. Just not rob. You just said this Laker all I'm saying this Laker team without LeBron James is not. Thank you. Makes the deal the part. Did you watch the game Debrecen plan Indian? I'm just ask. Did he play? He did what happened in that game? Again, be okay. Did he play in Philly yesterday when it gave up one hundred ninety points that you see that playing Boston vase, and if it wasn't for the broad, of course, pass the ball off to somebody else down the stretch. And if it wasn't for the Rondo shot. They don't win that game. I'm blessed. Can't. It ends in the butts. They one who's making it, rob. Who if the Lakers aren't wanting top eight who's that a sacramental sneaks out sneaks up and wins, the ace spot sacrimento they've been playing well all year and anybody like they've been playing I've hundred basket all his mid anybody. You want anybody? But the late about what I want. I'm. I don't Q resort needs. How you'll news. I don't. I'm just telling you that you guys hang onto the past. And they'll LeBron still in the least in conference and that gonna make the playoffs just by default. This is a different west too. Because you listen to the lot four in twenty three with the can we not talking about Donald in the Cavs? Can you agree though, with with with rob that there's a small amount of games left? And there is very little room for error for the Lakers. No, I don't even agree with that. Really? I don't they have those game. They have another game left to get to get to where they wanna go. This is this is when you when you are trying to get into the playoffs. It doesn't matter. How many games you have left? It matters. Do we have enough games to win in get in period? Not okay. We only have this amount of games left guys. We can't lose. We can't. We can't get tight. We can't shrink up. No. It's not even about that. Can we make sure that we get done? What we? Need to get done with the amount of time. We have left can they do it. Absolutely. Had they proven. They can do it wit lebrons. James? Yes, they have. So I'm sorry. Rob parker. The Los Angeles Lakers will make the playoffs and rob look over the last week or two really Sista. Trade deadline stuff got going there defensive struggle, but wrong all no have living off his Mwale all season long from November I up until a few weeks ago, even without LeBron. When he was injured they were one of the top defenses in the league, they start nigga land. Stop the cavalier. I'm just giving you facts their defensive efficiency was among the tops in the league. The last two games with all the problems defensively offense. They had thirty one assist against philli thirty five against Boston. They're sharing the ball. How has refound his game averaging thirty two last two games after a week or two of really struggling. So they're coming together. Again, not nobody. Saying going to be going state, but they will get in the playoffs. And you will me aback. We gonna bet something we will. I wanna I wanna get it on this. I wanna bet him George. He on his braggadocio all the sticking out his. Jordan's. Been Jordan because all they're to bet if you wanna bet that having I'm the one taking the rand you're not taking the risk have hanging off. It's going to be like four pair George to me. They're our one greatest play on the planet. And you want me to give you one to one odds on that. They don't have any roof air a little shopping online pick out your Shiels during the break. Marcus Morris hinting that Kyrie Irving is the biggest problem for the Celtics. Hey, guys, Johnny Taft here with a word from turbo tax. It's nice to have a helping hand especially when it's tax season. And that hand is attached to a licensed tax professional with turbo tax live. You can talk to real CPA's, and as undermanned who can review your return with you before you file and make sure you get your maximum refund. They can even check your work line by line. So you can be confident. It's done, right. Who knew confidence and peace of mind could be synonymous with taxes. Turbo. Tax live with CPA's. And as on-demand see details at turbo tax. Celtics had a twenty point lead against the clippers on Saturday. But that all went away would kyri Irving left the game near the end of the half with a sprained right knee. The clippers won by eleven points. And Boston was booed off the court by their fans. This follows the Celtics losing in eighteen point of the Lakers and the freebie escape the Celtics are currently the fifth seed in the east Marcus Morris that after their most recent loss when I look at I see a bunch of individuals. It hasn't been fun for a long time. Interesting words there. What do you think? The biggest problem with the Celtics is biggest problem with the Boston Celtics is Kyrie Irving career in. I this is not a shot at Kariya's out like. It's not a shot at car you're because typically he's having unbelievable year individually. But when you look at the Boston Celtics you look at how they're made up their DNA their makeup. Brad Stevens is the biggest asset that they have. Although kyri urban is as electrifying as exciting as a stellar as he is on the court. He takes away from what everybody else does he doesn't complement everybody else. When you look at their success last year off the court the ball pop and moved around they went through one another. There was no animosity. I shouldn't even say it because I don't believe that. There's animosity there wasn't any individual plate. There wasn't any ice. Oh ball so often every so every blue moon, you might see Jason Tatum. Take a guy one on one. And he gets get a couple of buckets. But for the most part the ball moved around the arc. Through guys cutting through the lanes brass Stevens drawing up some fantastic sidelines baseline outbound plays to get them. Easy buckets. It's not coming as easy as they once did last year in and when you look at everybody else's typically, they're down with the exception of Marcus Morris, the one who said it his he's up he's trending up statistically. So everybody's numbers have had the decrease because of Gordon Hayward. Obviously coming back trying to find his way he's not even himself shell of himself in. I think that with him getting better. We'll see what they look like. But right now, Kyrie Irving is the odd man out in Luke's great. Because of what he provides offensively in from fans perspective. He's exciting to watch. He has everything that you want in a player. But when for the Boston Celtics, they are the New England Patriots of the National Basketball Association. They are based on they had there. Coach in line fundamentally sound concrete. Everybody else can be rope player that is a stretch. Not a stress. Jack and this. Make the playoffs without Ghauri overlap stare at the league makes the play. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like. Our great, look you obviously made good points about the style of play with kyri verse without kyri and all that. But and his presence him returning from injury has created some of these issues. However, here's why he's not the problem. And he's really a big part of the answer. Is that without kyri? They can make the playoffs without him. They can even go fairly deep, but they can't have a hope or a prayer of winning a championship. And now that the east is improved with Milwaukee getting so much better Philadelphia now being stack Toronto getting better with Kawai lynyrd, they can't even reach the finals without Kyrie Irving, Danny? And that's why Danny age even with all the Hinch kyri kind of backing off saying, I'm planning to stay here. Even with all that Danny ages still all in on keeping Kyrie and he's also all in on going after Anthony Davis. Because he understands kyri Irving is a superstar and while we can be good really good kinda without kyri. We can't be great without Kyran. Obviously in Boston. It's about being great and winning championships. Danny age knows every set one of those seventeen championships. They have they had a superstar leading the way Danny as those that in the entire history of the NBA only twice two thousand four the Detroit. One of the greatest teams of all time nineteen nineteen Seventy-nine Seattle assigns those only two championship teams in NBA history who were led by a superstar. So he knows look I get it. The chemistry's a little shaky Gaza in their feelings, but kyri Irving has to be here to stay because if we want to win again is with him now quickly point you write about the players Jason Tatum in the playoffs without kyri last year, eighteen points this year. Sixteen points of game. Jaylen Brown in the playoffs without kyri eighteen points this year thirteen less than thirty points. He was shooting. Fifteen shots a game. Now, he's eleven he was getting thirty two minutes. Now is at twenty six Terry Rozier. It's the biggest drop sixteen and a half points without kyri in the play offs nine this year, fourteen feel tips eight now thirty six minutes twenty three now. So you're right. That's where Marcus Moore's the same. We're individuals. We're not have fun. I get it. If I was Terry Rozier, I wouldn't be and he and I think our friends, but he's dropped thirteen minutes night. He's not getting the shots and the same with the other two. So that's the problem in Boston. But Kyrie if they can he's a keeper. And you may be moved some of the other Chris very nice. What about because he go? This is the thing. That's so crazy the kids you all bent out of shape that they're not getting their points, or whatever those kids wet the bed in game seven against LeBron the Cavaliers 'cause if KAI we was on that team, Chris they would've won that series. Go to the NBA finals, that's the difference. And then when you talk about. Marcus Morris like he's is not fond and individuals win car where you came back after he was injured missed some games. They went one ten out of eleven in the seven-game stretch car. We averaged almost thirty points game ten assists shooting forty seven percent from three and fifty three percent from from the field overall. So I don't know how you could play any better. And when you of course, lose two star players and Hayward and KYW we yes, everybody's going to know expectations. Hey, just play just go out there. It's much easier to play with that. But if you're talking about trying to win a championship, you gotta have the big guys just told you you will not daily age is not dumb. He understands you won't win. You won't sniffer championship last year. Oh, look at this team. Unbelievable. Ms twenty seven three-pointers in game seven. At home against the Cavaliers, why the moment got too big for them. Kyrie's won a championship. He's averaged thirty points against the warriors in the finals. He's the guy you need knows moments. So he's not the issue. It's about those younger guys trying to fit in and understand. Kyrie's the main guy we gotta get what we can get and play with them. Not looking at just because their numbers went down all you winning or not. And that's really what it's about. It's not about just your numbers. So I don't think I weas you here. I believe it's just the other guys after an alert and so willing all of that. I'm not saying I isn't a special player. And they said he was the problem. He is the promise of the because I think the I think the question for you, Greg is this, okay? 'cause you're we both kinda admitted his presence changing eight days us, but if you're Danny aines, and you had to get rid of some of those role players who, you know. You know, may be better in the future or kyri, which one you looking at getting rid of it depends on what you're trying to judge trying to win a championship trying to I'm with you. There you need a guy like high real you're on your team on your roster. But for this thing, I got a better question for you guys. Think brass stevensville. Well, I'm glad you brought him up. Okay. Brad Stevens robbing. I've talked about it a lot. This is a test for him. It is because if you look at his pedigree, deployed division, three basketball. I started coaching at that level goes to Butler. You not getting the superstars Butler, you get to star three star recruits. So he's the little engine that could coach even when he got the Boston. You didn't have any superstars when he got there. He turns is Thomas with been, you know, a six-man into this MVP candidate last year. No expectations. No superstars, and we go far now in the NBA. That's nice as a good. Coach. But can you handle superstars can you handle egos? Can you bring the locker room together? When you've got one two three stars everybody else. That's the challenge in. I mean, we're seeing if he's up to autograph, Steve it's always losing college too with Reiner players, right? So you can bring those young guys along. But always he gets to rail that the end excuse me because the other coach has a star player, and you don't it's the same thing in the NBA. You can't win with those young guys without having a star. I disagree. I completely disagree with what the Boston Celtics showed me last year. They are an effective team and can go deep into the playoffs. And you guys say this. No that's not the goal either. I read it can be a good team. It's not it's not as old. But you give Brad Stevens two years. I'm not saying eliminate kyri from the equation right now, I'm not saying that. But if they wanna get better they are going to have to either find a way to play with kyri his style in his way. But in forego kind of what Brad Stevens says because when you have a superstar anytime you have a player that can make plays on his own. He's going to go antisocial versus what the coach is going to tell them to do every single time. He's not going to always be on cue in in in harmony. And in unison what the coach wants because he's an off script guy. He can do win the coach wanted he can do without the coach telling him to go get it. And that's what kyri Irving brings. That's what these other guys weren't accustomed to in the playoffs. They got a custom to look guys. Let's just run the plate. Let's run through one another less support. Let's build each other up. Let's make. Let's make each other better. Now, we're standing here. We're kinda watching KAI redo his thing in if he's ready to give us an opportunity. We better be ready. Another words plan NBA basketball, which is what most players have to do in LeBron systems. It's the same exact thing. This is how you have to play that game. When you have that big guy everybody stand around and watches at. Guy was right. It's ironic. He talked about calling up because this is exactly what was happening in Cleveland. It was LeBron show. Yes. Everybody had to fit in his one of the guys that Kobe kyri talks to a lot Koby similar things. We Koby, you know, with the other guys having to watch them do their thing. That's why it's tough when you've got a superstar and a team that is thinking championship. But then you got a bunch of young guys still in their rookie deals because it's a business to Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown, Terry Rosero money, right? Those Mondays equations young high ricotta chance during his young years where they're at now to establish himself as a superstar without LeBron and he got his money, and then LeBron Kane, and that's what happens with most young stars. Is you're not in a position where you're playing for championship. That's why they're not happy during this. Speaking of LeBron guys Kia picked his all star roster last week. It included a number of of coming free agents, including Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and Colli Leonard. But LeBron said his motivation was to get the best team not free agency. Lakers back to the drawing board after missing out on adding Anthony Davis before the trade deadline, but Magic Johnson said yesterday, there's plenty of fish in the seat saying, quote, it's a great free agency class, and we just want to get one of them. So we'll start with you. Rub. You think the league should be concerned about finding LeBron co-star they should be. I mean, I don't know what Magic Johnson is fishing for him might get a fish thick what he ain't going to get this guppy or guppy because this is the problem and Katie said it and about the toxic. Situation around the and you could already look LeBron at a hard time on trying to get somebody to come play with them. That's why they panicked here and tried to get AD year and a half left on his contract. They tried to panic to try to force them out of there to come to LA because they know LeBron Cam win, and when they look at the landscape and look around and try to figure out who's gonna come. They don't see anybody. So they looked and said well AD, maybe we can get him in a trade and force that to happen because let's just face it lebrons championships slash biological clock is ticking and this ticking loud as he is older. Father Todd continues to beat up on their body. And that's why this was supposed to be the look see year. You know, the first year they were supposed to look, let's just see. He's not going for championship. Let's see what's. Right. That's what it was supposed to be what happened. They got accelerated because they know in the west of what's going on that they're here the rumblings to buy out the free eight and the other free edge. You hear everything is is everywhere. But you're hearing people wanna go to New York and Brooklyn and tuna clippers rather than play when LeBron. So if you'll LeBron's going what's going to happen? So magic a sit there and act like, oh, we're not worrying about it. You better worry about it because LeBron has never ever ever ever ever been able to get anybody to come play with him. And now, he's even in Los Angeles. Then he go play with the Wayne and create ya. Play with them. But that no joint decision. No, they know all decided together on his never gotten any come. And even when these guys came out even Kawais camp pushed away, he didn't say it directly. Oh, he's not interested in being there. And then even Jimmy Butler who's like a lower star. Not even the star star said he's not interested in playing there. And then say that. Yeah. He didn't wanna come to life and. Well, he listed tweet team that he wanted and the Lakers weren't one of them. And here's the other thing that you that you pooh-poohed when I told you originally Paul George will be the reason that LeBron James never wins a championship in LA because that derailed everything they wanted to do had they been able to get Paul George. They would be able to keep all those young core players right because they wouldn't have to make a trade to get somebody. And then they would have been able to add another player because he did not do that. It's wrecked all their plans. That's why everything is up air. Now, the only way to going to get another play like an AD is they're going to have to give up some of that young core and order just to get that second. God LeBron knows he can't win. Well, look, you make some some decent points. I'll say this really good NBA about Paul George because the narrative is it look LeBron. There are a lot of reasons guys might not want to play with him. If I'm a superstar my own, right? And I think I can. Lead the team to a championship. I'm might not wanna play with him because he's he's going to be the main guy. So I get that. But Paul George was willing to go to Cleveland when he was still in Indiana. He actually told LeBron and the Cavs I will waive my opt out clause and stay two years in Cleveland. If LeBron will do if he's going to win, right? Lebron would not commit. So I I don't think it's all with some players. Yeah. Kevin Durant said some players don't win that environment. They don't wanna play with LeBron. But not all players. But here's the thing. They should be concerned. Because I think look you just hear rumblings you talked to be around the league. But we Kevin Durant. If he if he leaves Golden State right now looks like it's the Knicks or the clippers. Okay. If if Kawai leaves Toronto, it's looking like, the clippers more so than the Lakers, although I wouldn't say the Lakers have zero chance, but it certainly looks like clippers if clay, you know, we've heard talk that if the Golden State doesn't. Maksim? He could come to the Lakers, which I think makes sense. But if Durant leaves they gonna maxim, and even if the Rams stays they need to maxim because you're going in that new arena in San Francisco, you're not gonna want to go in there with what we did few years ago. We not going to do in the future and all offers. A chance to win four in a row and self stated flash more year, they could win four in a row, and they would be like no other Russell scientists have done that. And then you got kyri. Look, I don't think he's coming to the Lakers. But what was not even a remote possibility a month ago is now within the round the Fossa Billy. And I'm telling you talk to some people around the league and more and more people are starting to think he may go back there. I think if he leaves Boston New York has a better shot, but I can't totally right off the Lakers. But I don't think they'll get him. So AD, this is what I think the Lakers future holes this summer. They got a good chance to get him. And then I guarantee because Danny Ainge is going to really go hard after him. But I think the Lakers could get him this summer and the free agent they probably need to look at. If they can't get any of these top four is Jimmy Butler. We know Jimmy Butler, and you hear it in Philly, Chicago attitude problems. Minnesota attitude problems, Philadelphia, even though they're playing well, some some issues there, those are all think about a young guys even though they're some of them are better than Butler. They're young he doesn't have to respect Embiid and Simmons and Karl Anthony towns Andrew Wiggins if he goes to the Lakers, and he's a very good player. His game is not in question. He I believe you'll respect LeBron, you know, LeBron's veteran older than him. I think he LeBron who's never shied away from difficult personalities JR Smith last Stevenson Raisani, Rondo, Michael Beasley, all these guys fail McGee. I think that Butler would be on good behavior of not his best behavior with the Lakers and LeBron Anthony Davis and Jimmy Butler is a heck of a big three. So that's what I think they should be really thinking about as maybe a plan b going forward with everything that they tried to do already trying to go after Anthony. Davis. It's shows me that they're concerned. Like, it's shows that almost desperate. They are in in. I think it's more than just winning this year. They understand and Magic's no food. Rob Pelinka isn't either they understand our future is not LeBron James if we can get a twenty five year old Anthony Davis right now with LeBron James and we can solidify or possibly win a championship now and then continue to build with him being our future because that would be their future. I think that's what more they're looking at versus. We gotta get somebody with LeBron James. So we can win and build our no legacy. If they don't wanna chip in each four years LeBron when they brought him LA and they don't win. It's not gonna look for magic or rob Pelinka. Would you admit that? I wasn't mitt that guy. I would. But I would just say it's not great. But if they get if LeBron just getting LeBron here. With him make in making the Lakers reading for you here decker. No, you're right. But it still if they become their relevant and they keep making the playoffs. It's not gonna be what you graduate. That about the Ron James once you acquire him your relevant once you have him, and he's on the court, and he's playing now we we're already relevant because we got you. Now, we need to win. Right. So to your point everything got excel A-Rated the moment he put that uniform moments and started on the hardwood? And I just think moving forward if they could get Jimmy Butler. I'm not a big fan of Jimmy Butler because of the attitude factor, and I think that's if you mix in some of the young is that's not a good look because he's gonna respect LeBron. That's great. But you want influencing. Exactly, yeah. But they will have I if if what I say comes a day of trade a lot of these guys his veteran squad. Here's a problem with LeBron. And I think Michael Jordan's. Gopro people think that I agree the goat. Right. Some people, Shannon. So the problem with going to play for a guy who people think is the goat is that you want to be in the scapegoat when you don't win. And that's the problem. If you're Anthony Davis you come to the Lakers, and you don't win and eight about the Brown. He wasn't good enough. He was soft. He was this. He was that. So you put yourself LeBron always washes his hands. And it's always about the supporting cast and the other people. So that's why it's not always attractive to a guy to come play with him. Could you don't win? Lebron wins is going to be all about the bra win a championship. You lose O'Brien loses. It's about you. Anthony davis. You weren't able to bring our say that's more. So about the rest like Anthony if Corinne when they didn't win. Nobody was like car reading I'm bringing it. You know, the second guy usually gets his love the way way guy. Win. They want one out of four. I mean, it's like even sacrificing your game kyri God is numbers with LeBron the way he got his numbers with LeBron is from three down heck even coming. Love had good numbers. Kevin love got killed about. Yeah. Gotta play wasn't. He even start hoarding caskets killed. I don't think like if Anthony Davis goes there. I don't think those two LeBron our AD would get killed. It would be what they didn't have enough around them. And you know, we don't even know what would be around who said this. And I agree. He's not even the best fitful LeBron's like Anthony Davis, not gonna go. They're not. He's not a good player. I don't even see him as like the perfect fit. This is where they're struggling to try to get a player's game. We'll have race and all the way to the perimeter these ended out and he's going to be quiz xactly in the same way. They Chris Bosh was the third option. Kevin love was their option. AD would be a second roll. Like, I don't need to add. Story. But what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why I say it should be Jimmy Butler. It's hard to find a perfect fit. Among superstars LeBron because he dominates the ball and the action so much ironically. Kevin durant? I think would be perfect waiting. But I don't see that happening at all you still think AD might go to the Lakers in there's a business. It's all it's gonna come. I mean, the pelicans it was off air about not doing it. Then. Yeah. Like there was no, let's wait. And see what Boston offers? Maybe Knicks might get the first. All right. That's all it was about now. Let's wait. I mean, he'll do his Hewlett rush. All right, guys. Let's move on has Dak Prescott proven. He deserves a big payday from the Cavallo's. Doug, discuss it. Discuss it. Hey, guys, Jenny Taft here. With a quick word about Robin Hood, Robin Hood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks ATF's options and cryptos all commission free. While other brokerages charge up to ten dollars for every trade, Robin Hood doesn't charge any commission fees. So you can trade stocks and keep all of your profits. Plus there is no account minimum deposit needed to get started. So you can start investing at any level. The simple intuitive design of robinhood makes investing easy for newcomers and experts alike, the easy to understand charts and market data and place a trade and just four taps on your smartphone. You can also view stock collections such as one hundred most popular with Robin Hood, you can learn how to invest in the market as you build your portfolio. 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Tom Brady's isn't the breadwinner in the home. Then that's a great problem to have. So in that case he can do that. He can he can you know do contract I wanna do them. But for me, it's about I've got a great agent. I'm gonna just let him do what he's best at just leave it at that Dak bringing up Giselle and the interview there, I think the natural start on this one Greg sit the Cowboys lockup Dak long-term base. Should I think the Cowboys should lock them up right now? In in the reason, why is because that Prescott has proven that he's going to win in this business. It's all about winning in winning when it counts he got him a playoff win this year. They have a really good roster defensively and offense of league if they can hold onto some of those defensive pieces DeMarcus Lawrence, obviously being the main piece but office just looking at them ofensive -ly deck Prescott has been what they. Wanted him to be N. He's getting better his completion percentage. From last unit issue is back up to sixty seven percent from sixty to his interceptions. Went from thirteen down. Eight his yards for game went back up to two forty two from two seven the only thing that that Prescott needs to not do is hold onto the football because he's getting sacked a lot more. And if we're going to invest in you as our quarterback as our franchise player, we need to make sure that you're getting rid of the ball. And you're going to stay healthy. I like the Dallas Cowboys in their their nucleus of how they conform this roster their personnel. If fits that Prescott. It makes him better. When you when you look at a guy a young quarterback that didn't have a solidified number one receiver that can run routes and get open at any on any bit of the route Trie any route you have them run any play you call. He can get open. And now he has that in Amari Cooper. If I'm the Dallas Cowboys. This is why I'm locking him up now because if I run the risk of allowing him to play a full season with an Amari Cooper, healthy barring all injuries in Zeki rally in the backfield, healthy and Colby's Lee. And all these other guys starting to evolve their game and get better. He's going to get better. He his stats are going to improve in that doesn't that will not bow. Well for the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones as far as money they will have to divvy up for Dak Prescott if they choose to wait. So I'll say the lock them up. Now, I say, wait, I just distill a part of me I've seen those moments where you look at Dak and you say, okay, he's maturing and moving forward, but I've also seen the really bad moments. And for me, it always looks like everything has to be perfect for him for it to work out with the running game and defense everything. And then he he can make those those throws like if you ask him to win the game for you. I'm not. Vince that he can just go out and win a game. But he's done it. I'm just saying he's done it. He has he has eight comebacks in fourteen. Okay. Winning drive have more than any other quarterback. I'm evening three you. I'm not sure that could be through just need when he he's done it before I lack up to new more fourteen. The I was fifty. So I wanna see I wanna see one more year. And if the guy can win again, then you pay just pay them one. But when I'm also with deck. I don't wanna hear about no hometown discount a lot to do with Tom Brady absolute as all of that is nonsense. First of all as you pointed out is not always not all about money. And then everybody always says what does it say about Tom Brady? He does it with nothing is unbelievable while we're saving money, right? Supposedly to patriots. Where's that going? It's not going to other players to help them because the only way went to the Lyman going off. No, no, no. And then there's not going to the skill position. And his point. Robert Kraft is keeping. Jerry Jones bought a two hundred fifty million dollars yacht. And you tell me asking me for hometown discount. I'm not buying it. I wouldn't do it. If I'm the Cowboys. I'd like to see one more year on the field. Let me see him do his thing. And then yes, if he plays really well make the playoffs. I'm gonna pay him what he deserves. But I'm not doing it now, but players should never take discount hometown disk that has all the intangibles that you want and a quarterback. You know, the ones we see I'm not saying he's time Brady in that regard. But the ones you see him, but he's a winner. He's a leader of men. You know, I think he's a playmaking game manager like he's a game manager to some extent. But he's one that can make big play some with his arm, but also with his legs. So I like him if I were Dallas, and I could lock him up right now in the low twenty millions right? Like twenty two twenty three twenty four something like that. I would do it. But if that wants like Kirk cousins, Jimmy. Garoppolo money which is round twenty eight million or more per year. It usually goes up because it's another, you know, the next year, then I would have to wait. And if he leads us to the NFC championship game or a Super Bowl or something like that. Then I'm willing to pay him, you know, that big money. But if he just gets us to the play offs again or even laugh what he doesn't get you into play. I'm then I'm not that big money. And that that's where I think that because you talked about taking less money. I when there's no salary cap and owners can pay whatever the heck they want. Then I agree date if they're living on yachts in buying all this new stuff, then they should give the players what they're worth. But when there's a salary cap, and if you take a certain amount of money that's gone, especially a guy like that. If I take as every single sit that I can get on the market, I demand Dallas gives me that and that costs Amari Cooper that call. Is equal Elliott. His maybe finish. Let me if it costs me them. Then I if I'm back, I would take a little bit less. So I can keep my other players around because that without them is not going to be that good. He not air Rogers where he's going to carry. And you look at the top six earning quarterbacks this season, air Rogers, Matt Ryan. Kirk cousins Jimmy Garoppolo mass staffer Derek Carr. None of them made the playoffs. But but that's the number show that when the quarterback takes up so much of your salary cap. You can't put the pieces around him to win the super Chris Mets deformation us to two of the previous year's era. Rogers made a pledge you look at how they do in the plug when it's not based on that the whole thing is I just gave you the Tom Brady example, just because you take less doesn't mean they goes nine the money on. Why you shouldn't do exactly this? I'm with you. I'm with you in in looking at other positions. And I don't like when they do this about quarterback saying the quarterbacks they shouldn't max out, but every other positions should because those matches aren't as high understand that. But to tell to tell me just because I'm playing the most important is valuable position. I shouldn't take all that. I'm worth all that I can get in. And you feel that. Not all guarantee to get exactly what land. If you would you rather if you Dak Prescott would you rather make twenty five million a year with a team like twenty eight million a year with the team doesn't have the pieces around you. And you know, you not air Rogers. You're not just about the put the team on your back. Or would you rather make twenty five three million less with Dallas where you got horses around you that you can potentially whistling. That's asking. That's not all the way true. These teams is not like they don't have pieces around these quarterbacks. They just missed they met. Ryan, you don't he don't have pieces management Abed Matthew Stafford he doesn't have pieces at one time. We have at one time he had sue and Calvin John at one time. No what he had him in Rogers. He doesn't have pieces like making excuses. No. They just didn't win bottom line. If I'm if I'm Dan Prescott game show me the money. That's what I'm. In this for and if I'm the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, this is you lock him up now because you run the risk if he does have more success because he's has success. You can't deny them that he's already had success. He's already proven can win a been to the playoffs twice my rookie year. And then this previous year, and I won in that we're building on. We're adding pieces you're you're in debt for even federally though Dakhla lot better back. Any Cowboys looked a lot better last year? Once a Mario Cooper arrive. He did he and he he's those and these he does all those Greg, isn't it? When you see if your deck Garoppolo played eight gas, and they gave him a gazillion dollar. I'm supposed to take less and I've. There's why it is. He can argue Kirk cousins. Oil guarantees not even won a playoff game or games that are meaningful. So for him to say, you know, what I'll take less just so we can have a better team. Yeah. That's sounds great in it is it could be great for the New England Patriots. But for the Dallas Cowboys and for Jerry Jones. That's why you lock him up right now. You don't run that risk in weight because you're dealing with the Dak Prescott. Whether we want to admit, he's he's he has a lot of confidence right now. He knows what he's Jimmy eight eight million a year or thirty million a year. I I don't try if her cousins if I'm Dallas I try to get him somewhere between that twenty seven twenty six area. If I wait don't really bucked. You can you can't buck the system like Dax should take all of that confidence and go find him Zell. We won't even have. Chris I paid coupon for your work here. Give him back money. So to me and Greg right out and Jamie. I hear the coupon money money, but I don't need all. Before you is the Lakers executive compared LeBron James to Tom Brady. Is this a fair comparison? Jason McIntyre is gonna join that. Okay. Got back to the NBA. The Lakers are a five hundred team for getting blown out by the Sixers yesterday, currently two and a half games out of the play offs. And Anthony Davis isn't coming to LA for now they missed out on trading for last week despite that GM rob Pelinka compared his team's playoff hopes with LeBron to another all-time great. And that would be Tom Brady Pelinka said, I think early on there were they were facing a ton of adversity to lots of stories being told about fractured relationships. But what did they do? They kind of came together. My hope is our story is a little bit. Maybe like that where we're on the outside. But we find a way to get in the playoffs with the skill sets that and then much like Brady, did we let one of the all time greats. Lebron take the helm for this time and for for this team and make some noise. So rob since you are notably one of those people that just love Tom Brady and LeBron James. Well there with the Harrison the rob Pelinka just threw him on now. I mean seriously. Paris in between these two there's no comparison. I don't even know what he's goal with this. First of all, and this is tough spot. I'm waiting. Here because side you're taking I'm gonna take Brady side. England do love. Brady sons because the football season's over. No. I said Brady has an easier way into the playoffs. I will LeBron's going out to fight his way in when New England and actually Brady's one. But on the winning side six times as far as winning championships and LeBron lost six times in his quest for championships. But as far as looking at their seasons and trying to compare them. I know he was up in Boston. And he got taken over by the parade and was going on in the feeling of, you know, being a prison of the morning moment and caught up and wow, we could beat the patriots. I just don't see the two as the same in this case. So there's no real comparison. Lebron's job is much tougher because of the teams on he. He he the Western Conference. Tom Brady didn't have a Golden State Warriors in your way, possibly even in the first round of the playoffs. So it's totally different. From that standpoint. I think Pelinka is grasping because he knows like that. The forecast went from. Hey, we got LeBron. We got a shot to no we don't have shot, and we need to do whatever we can't quickly to try to improve chances that didn't happen. So now he's looking for fairytale. Now, he's trying to write some other story is something that we can't look at for cells and say, oh, yeah. They can do this look at what they have look at the team look at the path. He knows it's not that. So he's made up some fairy tale ending that just as well. I don't think he's thinking fairytale. I think what he's thinking is if we get to the second round or the conference finals, that's a really great. But you're not going to say that he's not gonna come out and say, yeah, you know, maybe our guy. Can lead us to the second or third round of the playoffs. Chris as team we've dealt with that already. Buddy. What he's saying is are in. I think he's thinking now to us came off like he's thinking Ola Bronco make this championship run. We all know that's not happening. And I think he knows that's not having. But you don't come out publicly and say we can't win a champion. You mentioned with Tom Brady. Are you thinking about or not? And that's where our brains career is defined by winning not individual stats and greatness. Even though he has good individuals stats, and he has individual didn't throw a total. Think about with Tom Brady is wins championships six of them with LeBron even though he's got championships. Three. You don't the first thing you think about LeBron is individual dominance greatness statistical accumulation dominant. I think all losing more championships than either way, you don't think of him with the same way as you think of Tom Brady who you okay? And then like you said, I mean, brain you Brady's got the benefit of having Abba leave the greatest coach of all time. And I've said this about LeBron guy Luke Walton, you know. And so it's a big difference. They're whipping on our high set. He's not Bill Belichick. That's why you see what he didn't Golden State. And the riot system is the system I've always said this about LeBron if he had played because the guys he's compared to historically all played for Pat Riley a Gregg Popovich of Phil Jackson if LeBron had played for an iconic coach like that. I do think he would have more than. Three championships. But and Tom Brady if he wasn't plan for Bill Belichick is great as he is would not have six or maybe not even half as many. I don't mind it. I don't mind the comparison. I think he's to your point in the grass. I think he's reaching. He's reaching quite far. Because when he says, I think early on they were facing ton of adversity. There were lots of stories being told about fracture relationships, rob Pelinka, this all happened prior to the start of the NFL football season. This was before they put on that helmet and saw another uniform across from them and had to go to work they made up in their minds at that point before getting to that point all that is out eagle two side. The goal is winning. But wasn't it happening during it was doing last season toward the end lassie's? It was the sneeze suit. It was the Super Bowl and. Van loan-loss? That's when it was on every amount. It was when the of Super Bowl that it was a big deal that Macken Butler didn't play and Bill Belichick put his ego in front of the teams those Lee that was that was lay to bed once the season started this year. We heard nothing about it. We heard no grumblings no bickering. Anything what we're seeing with the Lakers is during the season because of the trade acquisitions that they were trying to make happen. And so you've kind of imposed this on your own guys. Not they brought it to the table. And I just I see where he's going because his hopes is that LeBron can right the ship. He can make right everything. And I do think he can ride it to the second or third round. I don't I don't even know. Right. It beyond that. I don't even know if he can ride it beyond the first round if they meet God save he certainly can I? I think he's he's hoping for him to right the ship. Get them into the playoffs. And what he's saying? Is once we're in the playoffs just like New England because they limped into the playoffs. Everybody thought. But once Tom Brady got there. We know how special he can be given the game to game basis is just a little different with this team versus the New England Patriots. Because your point Tom Brady he hits different switch, and he's all about championships. Lebron he may get you close. But we don't know if he can pull it off. Because of what he has to go up. I will say this. And this is a reason rob Pelinka and the Lakers could feel good one thing Brady. Lebron do have in common is rob Parker has Brady and not get them to the Super Bowl early in the season. I in there. And he's saying the Brian can't get them to the playoffs. All right. So that is reason for Lakers fan. The other part of my problem with this because I think that this comparison is is completely ridiculous. And it's apples and oranges. You're talking about two greats in their respective sports. That's obvious. But you're comparing football and basketball. It's the playoffs are completely different system. But one of the lions here from rob link is we've added skill sets a much like Brady did. And now like, no you're willing to trade all of them away, literally all of them. And now you have what is talking about. They're bringing in Mike moose gala, and boy and Reggie Bullock. They brought in shooting the name I didn't like him comparing those two Julian element. No element is much better than those two guys are at the different sports. But that's what he meant. It just tells you about the desperation where to Lakers on they just have to admit it that this has been miscalculated, and it hasn't gone where they thought it would. And I give you the injury to LeBron has derailed stuff. But even with the pieces that they had they thought they had better pieces. If that group would have just played five hundred basketball when LeBron was. Gone. They wouldn't be in this spot. That's the difference. That's all they had to play. And if you go back and look at the schedule there were those games to be one where they could have just held it until the brand got back. And I think that's where they went from that to saying we don't want any of these guys. I mean, we'll we'll move all gonna win five hundred without LeBron. They still would have been willing to move them for an Fano. I get that. But I'm saying, but now it's more of a desperation could have been Anthony Davis next summer. Not not we gotta have it this week. All my God. We gotta have what's going on. Because they're so afraid that the summer is going gonna come no free agents are going to come. And what if what if the Knicks get the first pick? What at the Celtics say, we don't care what a deep. No ADC dad said whatever we're going to make the deal for one year. And we're going to go for we don't care. That's what they're afraid on. Wait, why the way because we call it could open up the Knicks Zion Williamson, right? And then say, hey, we'll give you Anthony David for him talk. When you talk about the personnel that the Lakers have I think a lot of it was based on Brandon Ingram and thinking that he was going to make some kind of stri suppose of lowers. Yes with LeBron James, and it has literally went the opposite way. But as a player, you kinda keep gauge someone in whether what direction they're gonna go by their demeanor their body language, and when you watch Brandon Ingram, he just looks like he's kind of aloof like I'm here. But I don't know if I really have everything that I got I think it's just like that. I know I'm not saying these thinking stone all the. No that me by. His game is not complimentary. It's lebron. It's not who's was his much more complimentary. Nass. Why you see Kouzmin when he's LeBron? He plays much better than Ingram. Does and Lonzo and Ingram. They gotta get their Motors up coups was Motors, always up. Can we just give them round of applause for Parker for sticking through a segment where we had to debate Tom Brady? And I know he's sick did. Rady loan. Wow. I need so mel's wash though. Commercial? I've been telling years. Did the pelicans dirty by not giving Parishad Anthony Davis? Magic Johnson Jason Makarova jacket. Jason McIntyre mouthwash. Anthony Davis is still a pelican despite the Lakers putting everyone not named LeBron for grabs. The Lakers last offer reportedly consisted of Lonzo ball for his Ingram. Kyle Kouzmin other assets. But according to whoa, JR. The pelicans didn't even make a counter offer. Magic Johnson made his first public comments yesterday on the deal that didn't happen. Take a listen, did you negotiation? No, we knew that basically at the end of the day. What happened? And we knew when we first started. All right. So we're joined by Jason McIntyre right now, Jason let's start with you on this topic. Do you think that the pelicans hailed this poorly, Jamie? I thought they did a horrible job. I start laughing during the Magic Johnson quotes, folks. This was a disaster for the pelicans this disaster for the NBA. I mean, listen when you're getting six players two first round picks, by the way, Lonzo Ingram Coosa. They're all first rounder. So you're looking at five first round picks to the pelicans. So after the deal right doesn't happen. What happens when the pelicans go on national TV their star Anthony Davis who they don't wanna play because they want to tank he's booth in his home stadium. They have five more national TV games coming up in the next month. That is an embarrassment for the league. It's gonna get worse. If magic in the Lakers don't make the playoffs. I mean, no Anthony Davidson LeBron that would be a huge boon for the playoffs. Bussard? You know, LeBron has carried the NBA postseason TV ratings for a while. I just thought the pelicans over thought the room they said, oh, maybe Boston will come in the summer. Listen, that's a huge. Maybe guys. I want to remind you I sold the website back maybe seven years ago, and I had one buyer interested and another one coming in. And they said we'll Jason hold off weight in a few months. We could make a move. And I said, you know, what I'm going to take the burden hand. I got a great offer. And it worked up tremendous. I think when you got six players and two picks they should've taken it. I don't think Jason Tatum will ever be in the boss. What are those six players do win? The Brown was out this year. They did not do very well with six. How did they do? What do they do? They were four, but they wouldn't have LeBron Newark. They would have rule holiday who you love drew holiday. He is an awfully Renou compared to holiday breath. Okay. So why would I want guys at one thirty five games last year in LA this twelve this year if they win in LA, what makes me think they going in? This is a good. Let me let me. All right. So this it's not the pelicans duty to trade LeBron or Anthony Davis to the Lakers to empower the Lakers. The pelicans were five they they did. Absolutely. What they should do. According to woes, you say they never made a counter offer. The first reports that they're not even picking up the phone. Okay. The second reports were they're not making counter offers. And then when magic pools out and says, we'll we'll wait for y'all to come back before we make another offer they never caught him back. So I don't know what magic is saying they didn't bargain in good faith. They never gave you an impression. This is going to happen magic. We're really interested. They want even talking. So you they answered the phone out of respect for Magic Johnson. Because of who he is. And that's it. But they gave you no indication. We're doing this deal. That is good faith. There was no reason for the pelicans to do it. Then not just wishing on the star bosses going. An offer Danny ages telling them whole up we got a lot more to give you and we might just do it. The Knicks the Knicks when you right, if they don't guess what I can get that Lakers. No three. Three Brown in the second round. Oh, we stick with this. Negotiations the Lakers bidding against themselves right now in the summer, if the Celtics cannot offer Tatum, which nobody thinks they're going to offer. They're not gonna they're gonna put together. A poo poo platter. Your phrase. Jalen, Marcus Morris, Terry Rozier, they're going to offer something like that. And then the Lakers are gonna pull back. Well, why would we over Brian house? He's not going to be as impatient. Good. Why he wants to white his eight? They'll be like hitting Euro-channel. Their Lakers are offering that listen, by the way, I wanna go back. You said coups Ma and these guys didn't play well without LeBron. Okay. De ngelo. Russell was with the Lakers for first two years. They were not a good team. Okay. They trade him. Always nothing special two years later. He's an all star. And the Brooklyn nets are in the playoffs in the east. This idea that players cannot improve coups majority at eighteen game. He's going to get better Ingram sixteen four and four. He's going to improve Lonzo. He can't shoot we know that he's going to get batteries twenty one players improve as they go. But it's ideas is not great now two years later, you raise is you expect the pelicans? This would be to me like your wife coming into you and telling you, I'm outta here pack up the loading truck with all my stuff and drive me to my new boyfriend. Right. Pelicans to do why do that it's not going to be good for business and Chris's? Right. Laker deal is not going anywhere. And you know what? The Knicks might get the number one might might slot of might Senate. Whatever you add what people to pot, right? As a chance to price is going to go up even more. Why are you gonna wind you force? And here's the other point. You're not thinking if they don't get the deal what they could do. They still have a one track. Wanted to like it just say we're gonna play it out you stay here one more year. And if you wanna go and remember who's in for nothing, remember this. They could train him before ending. And remember brought forward wanted to go to the Minnesota Vikings from Green Bay and the Packer said no way. No, how we're going to trade you there. And you know, what traded him to the AFC into the jets? He wanted up going on his own at you know, the next year. But Inouye shoulda pelicans helped to Lakers at all they're helping themselves, but go ahead. Chomping at the bit. Go ahead. I'm not even chomping at the bit. Because everybody is biting off your rear on ready. Will you say? Point blink the pelicans, can do whatever they wanna do. They obviously did what they wanted to do. What was most beneficial for them? Like why why would they just give away a player to help another team and then leave themselves with nothing so Cullinan on those guys six players in two picks? His first of all six honestly, I don't need six players because you're basically what you basically building my team for me. And I'm going to have to try to get something for these guys. And they haven't proven that they're worth anything right now. Which is why they're getting ushered out from Los Angeles. Lakers. When I'm looking at what the pelicans did they understand we have the commodity. We are in control of everything right now. Lakers just were lean news, actually. So why would I just give it to you? When I'm not willing to see what's out there that I can possibly get for this your to your point, rob. The Lakers have already offered us this. We know what they're willing to do. They probably will try to do even more because LeBron doesn't have that window to wait. So everybody else clock is ticking me to sit back and say, you know, what? No, we're not going to do anything right now because everybody else is going to come to the plate, and they're going to place their bids on the table. You brought up the league if LeBron doesn't make the playoffs. That's Baffoni league if Anthony Davis booth on national TV Arison, that's not New Orleans responsibility to make sure LeBron gets into plus you from a league standpoint. Yeah. It would have been much better. If AD had gone to the Lakers. And now we got this use storyline of LeBron AD. Can they top go say, but that's not the pelicans respond. The other part. Apart the pelicans, you don't think that they all they are mad by the whole thing. Here's a team that a year ago with Anthony Davis, right? When and Hordley how won a game against all the state often of two hundred forty million guaranteed and he's walking out on them. So my we actually supposed to be. Oh, yeah. Okay. This is horrible. You in a horrible situation understand why they wanna leave and do even look at what you guys are underestimating Anthony Davis dumped his agent to go with LeBron's agent. He wants to be a Laker. Okay. I know you guys are gonna say we'll coup why Leonard wanted this Paul George wanted this. Okay. There's a reason he picked clutch sports, and you know, this well Broussard what LeBron and Rich Paul want. They usually get Anthony Davis will be a Laker this. That's fine. Labor. That's all. Can make the trade this summer. Okay. So what would your point comes a free on the on the pelicans, their twenty twenty-first and attendance? Okay. The smoothies centers empty. It's a ghost town already. They got a best. Well, here's the thing. You get new guys who were on rookie contracts. The fans can get to know them. They're going to be there at least three or four more years. So you get a look of them for twenty five games. How can we adjust around them in the summer? You could have had a window this better. The Lakers are already doing that. But the pelicans really brick to your Chris, I'm telling you, we're going to be on here this summer, Jamie. We're going to be on your this summer. And I'm telling you when they say, Danny aines has now no Tatum. Here's what you've got. And they like, whoa. This isn't the offer. We thought were coming in fine. Go back to the Laker laters six say of the Knicks are gets these thirty five win Lakers. I'm sorry. I don't I love how they're thirty five win lake. We're not gonna let him twelve. Lebron's night. They were fourth in the west when they were healthy, they lost Rondo LeBron misdemeanor. Regan on ever Lonzo ball's injure Rondos, misison games, they're not good with or not Elrod Georgiou. Cow Korver day. Look good around the Brian LeBron to the finals what they were foreign Twenty-three without and LeBron those guys without LeBron. Oh, you don't do. I want these Lakers without LeBron not necessarily. So what do you want you want? Jalen Brown and Marcus Morris and those want my best offers if Boston or New York done better at five I can get that Lakers offer something. But here's the thing. You said that Chris if if those two teams are out Boston New York, what is that Lakers off? We're going to be your bidding against yourself. Why are offering six guys you know, what like rob said the Lakers can wait you have another mediocre season next year? Pelicans, your trade them all out. If they don't get an way to the Lakers, really life me. I guess that's what you get. When you get football people running phone office in New Orleans, just clueless operation. You're you're. Lebron we all do. But that's not how you best. Not how you run biz. Business. Kids trying to sell that to fans you let the Lakers punk you. And take your best player. And you gave you the maps that LeBron doesn't even want to go. But I'm gonna go buy that ticket for that. And listen, you are you are truly thinking like a fan. I need you to stop doing that. Because you're talking about what LeBron James want enrich Paul want. They get. That's exactly why they'll dense is like not today. Doesn't work. It's not what he's telling you. Baby guest on this show next season because he going to be unemployed. He's going to get fired when it happened either way not due due to deal is still be in the same way. She's her because they were saying. You gave away end Davis this line. Not to mention to be honest. We all talking about deal dips. Dell wasn't really making this decision. This was coming from above him ownership care more about the saints in the u the pelicans. But they did this was the right? Like, I said, maybe get trading the Lakers into summer, we all hope that. But no rush. It was no sorry. You came eighth. No, I'm excited to get a victory in my first. What nothing baby wizard barbecue sauce? Let me go put a title change 'Spect. When you know. Yeah. We'll keep you MBA discussion going in the next one is Russell Westbrook getting enough credit for his triple double streak stuff that. The thunder came back in twenty six points down to beat the rockets Saturday and putting forty five points from George, but the real story was Russell Westbrook. Rest made history with his ninth straight triple double tying wilt for the all time NBA record recipe, criticized for shooting a near career low forty one percent from the field, but he is still on pace to average triple double or the third straight here. Once again, Jason McIntyre joining us for another round of, but we are going to start this. Celebrates already want. Right. Good to be. Sway ins for star. Let's start with you. Do you think that Russell's getting enough credit for this triple doubles? I don't think he is. I do not think he is him average in triple double. The last three years is the greatest Atip feet in modern NBA history. I would even say is probably the most impressive statistical feet since Wilt Chamberlain average, forty five points twenty four rebounds in nineteen sixty three average fifty and twenty six the year before like Russell Westbrook is doing is phenomenal no-one nobody not a player not Huby Brown. Jerry, West some of the greatest nobody thought it was possible in today's NBA for an guide average a triple double for an entire season. No and all the great players that have been stat stuffers. Lebron Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd. None of them have. Done. And if it was so easy. Why isn't anybody doing it? Now, other their Russell Westbrook. When we usually look at great statistical feats nowadays, you always hear one of two terms. So and so did this is the first time since the merger of the NBA nine hundred seventy six or post merger. That's because Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson put up numbers, then are cartoonish by today's stay like, there's no way anybody's touching half, a wilt chamberlain's records, and here comes Russell Westbrook. Doing it doing it. I mean, the tidy now with the nine straight triple doubles averaging that for three straight season Russell, I'm not he's not the best player in the world. He's rally not certainly not this year. The best player on this team has been Paul George, and he wasn't the best player for most of his career because Kevin Durant was there. But this do is icon. Ick figure and years from now. People going to be looking back at that. Russell westbrook. May he averaged a triple double three four straight seasons. Whatever it is being and he's going to be an icon. He's not getting enough credit. Yeah. Chris wall said I disagree with a lot of it. But I guess I'll start here. Russell Westbrook deserves more credit, but not for the triple doubles. But Chris for taking a backseat to Paul George and knowing I'm not the best player on this team the self-awareness from Russia owes them. He knows it. No. He's studying money Levin any Levin, but he's already kings, you're shy shoot a ball. And I think self-awareness he deserves credit upbeat up. Russell Westbrook on the shows here at FM one a lot. He's blocked be on social media. Whatever I got nothing against the guy. What I'm saying in west in commun-, pretty so. So I do like how Westbrook is taking a backseat to Paul George who the best player on that team. The triple double Carlotta backseat though. Like, he's the number on his Robin combs who Paul George statman? Okay. Russell westbrook. We know he's a stat patter get it, but don't triple doubles field a little or chaotic I know 'cause who else's Admiral. Here's the thing. The pace has picked up in the league rings through the roof more shots. I mean, nobody wants to just try to get every rebound. Russell westbrook's. Like, let me make this. My thing. He's become Mr. triple double. I got no problem with it. That's great. But is it that impressive? What's more impressive? Chris is the fact that they're probably a better team with him shooting less and deferring to Paul George. They're probably gonna win around in the playoffs this year because he's taken a back seat. He averaged a triple double the last two years. They didn't get out of the first round this year with Paul George the Batman. They're going to get out of the first round for me. I think is phenomenal. What he's doing? And he's not getting enough credit and when. You look at it. You talk about taking the back seat. That's credit right there. The fact that he has enough self awareness to take that backseat and focused on. How can I make sure this team is thriving? And we're successful as a whole. What can I do is this? This is what he can do. It's not put up all the shots. It's okay. Paul george. I got a guy who can score who is getting done offensively. I can scale back, but I can pick it up in other areas that we need someone to pick it up in. And I'm that guy. And that's why like what we're Westbrook is doing because everyone wants to talk about how selfish she is at times, this is unsettled fish when you're willing to get rebounds in the SIS in get everybody involved. How is that selfish yet? He was putting up a lot of shots. But now, he isn't I love what Russell Westbrook doing. And I think we need to focus more on his selflessness and making sure everybody else's involve. And I'm doing what I finally should have been doing what K D wait a little late for that little lake what he's getting it done with Paul George. I love it. I agree with you guys. It is a feet. But I think the reason that people aren't giving him as much credit or making a big deal about it is is the old adage is like I love ice cream. And then as soon as I start working at the ice cream fact that I don't need it as much. I don't like it as much and this case when he first got the first triple double right everybody was like, oh my God this happened in fifty years. And it was a celebration the next if you remember he gets the triple double no one knew it until the last year games, it kinda like snuck up on people, and they said one if he gets his many rebounds, and whatever he'll average triple doubles that kind of came out of nowhere. And now this year people have come to expect it on those. This is what he does. This is how he plays now. So it's not as an takes nothing away from what he's. Accomplish. But I think that's why people aren't that quays Dover it or give them as much credit for doing? But think about what he has made the triple double home. No what I'm saying. He made it triple and win the Legrand was just playing when they play Philadelphia and their announcers talking about he's average a triple doubles this. He's been back two games. I mean, this dude is doing it for three straight years. And I get again, I'm not saying he's the best player in the league or anything like that. But what he's doing is Christian. I get it. And I give all that he plays harder than anybody in the league. He doesn't I love the. Overheat when he's shooting the basketball he's having his worst shooting year. I believe since his rookie year. Forty one percent from the field. It always shooting twenty four percent on threes. Twenty four percent lonzo's better than that. Okay. This guy knows where his bread is buttered. I can play hard and get rebounds and passes. He's just not shooter as that in the wins. I was just. Never. This was almost second to shoot that. He did it. They had a great record. Ryan got right. Well, double soul wasn't like he's just static on Pat. He lost in the first round of what I'm saying. But then here he didn't have much it was wing K D laugh average because he needed to do more. And as rob said over these three years when he gets a triple away record is not. And then remember last year he was still battling with Paul George in that first round series against the jazz. I believe rust took somewhere around forty shots in one of the final game of the series. And then finally in the off season. He realized I'm not a good shooter. I can't shoot the basketball. Okay. Let me defer to Paul George to. It's just not give him all the credit for the triple doubles. But also the self awareness. We. Not a good shooter. But let's go to polls you better floor game. There's no doubt about it. I mean, he's looking to pass not just Paul George says, he can't shoot through all this. You look. I mean a lot Jason Kidd couldn't shoot till the end. It was. Machine. And you know, all right. I'm going to say is a great shooter. You look forty one percent. He's his career average is like forty three percent. I mean, it's not like he's fallen from forty eight percent to forty one. Alan Iverson, shot forty one percent and less a lotta years like their guys like you say, they're not great shooters lot of guys of shot this percentage. Lost. Was that a laws? I'm just saying. Triple doubles are great Chris. They're wonderful. They look good there. Nobody's done it in the modern era whip de damn do know Jared ever. Whenever you do something that no one. Destroy. Guy Detroit new Stafford throwing for five thousand yards who owns. The different winning rookie is we're not winning. Winning doubles they're winning because of all savior records. And candidate doubles are is great. It was great the first year is this. All right. But doubles Paul George is an MVP candidate Georgia's plan grays that they're winning Paul George admit it and give it to me. Now, they're women because of both of them. Plus, Stephen Adams me grant, they all picked up their games, and that's a credit to Westbrook. It is it is really all accredited west. Because even when he was doing this, and they weren't winning when it counted. The number one narrative was Russell Westbrook. He has to take less shots. He has. And he's at that point. I everybody giving them credit. Listen, I'm Russell well. We give them the credit. I wanna be balanced, fair and balanced five Russell west. I don't nice player who will you call and Cowher. No, no, no, no Steph curry, but Russell Westbrook is a great basketball player. He's ever. Said it. Yeah. So you admitted I'd rather have got his ran. I didn't see thank you. Based on he can be used for a little bit. I love bringing these odd seamy again soon general. Coming up the Lakers going to miss the playoffs after suffering. Another blowout loss of the road. Former NBA star Cotino mobile. No. The Lakers had a huge win in Boston last week. Put it didn't carry over yesterday against the Sixers. Lebron was in the SIS shy of triple double in pal. Kouzmin Trump thirty nine, but they still blown out one forty three to one twenty two Lakers defense continued to struggle. And it's the second time this season people out a hundred and forty points. Dweller be led the way for Philly with thirty seven points fourteen boards, Lakers now, tune half games out of the playoff spot of the west with just twenty six games left. All right, guys. We are doing in the studio by former NBA guard concede a mobile so Katito they'll start with you on this one. Are you worried about the Lakers missing the playoffs? A mutt. A member tell you why you still have the Brown James. Still have LeBron James. The hill as long as he's alive sneaks, the white and black sneakers. I mean, the James's phenomenal. You're you're intent place right now. The my correct. And you're only tuned a half games out. It's not like the six seed, seventh eighth seed seven or eight games above you. You still you have LeBron James you have a chance in life and. Yeah. Okay. The expectations of the Lakers. Right now for people. It's hurry up Harry up every up. Okay. Cool. Lebron James gets hurt you in fourth place. It drops down to ten datum play as well. They're young. I understand all that. Now that he's back. I just think that LeBron's going to he's going to figure it out and those guys are going to be right there with them. Yeah. They had a brain fart last night. I mean, okay last night. Did you watch the Indiana game? Well, did you watch the Boston Celtics can do? And and it took a great shop. Hi, dr. Hot a Gracia. He's a game. Raise raise came winning shot. Ever dies in mad better late to never he is a game is not a game. But I'm saying did he not game opening up point? And I hear you. It's easy to sit out here and pick LeBron James and make the playoff half the league makes the play offs. I get that. But let's take a real look at this team. I don't trust the team that he has. I don't trust those guys because when LeBron was out they went six twelve they lost at home to the Knicks. They lost at home to the cavalier and since labontes comeback. It hasn't been that smooth. They still got her 'cause they will all going to be dealt for a D. I'm telling you to letting passable think trouble pass that as young guys. I think they're past that whole mental aspect where I'm going to get treated. I can't put my hundred percent. I this going now. Forget about here's it. They have painted themselves into such a corner they have very little wiggle one corners two and a half ago. What was the difference last year Cotino between the third seed, and they didn't have different what was depressing game. You know? We have games a lot in the west think about this brand James now, right, and you say outta playoff. Lebron James you say that as if that's support your argument that there's only two games difference between the third seed in eighty that actually supports what we're saying. The climb doesn't make any who are the two teams in front of them right now LA clippers let me tell you about the clippers you had shot. Let me say about them. They don't even want to make the put lost in Boston because they didn't want her if they lost. On day lose their first round pick this year. They won a lottery pick. So they don't wanna make the playoffs. They just traded their leading scorer van. Band on his lost say. Strange things happen. Why did the Lakers gold stayed on? You what today when because they score more Detroit to lose. Here's rob Ben not telling their players to go out there and lose all guys have pride. Doc Rivers is coaching them to try to win every game. They're going to win some games here near that. They shouldn't. But they have depleted the team. So that they lose. All right. They're going to lose Sacramento's young. And not ready bet on that. You are you said it earlier you're betting on Marvin Bagley and the air the on arrested. He on kids, you are LeBron edited against LeBron James and the Cosby kids dole to the guy told have kids with more see, but he was health. Those Cosby kids, I love the kids fully goofy. So that our. Win win. Lebron was held that was eons ago, we're talking about what do you mean? He said he said from he says from three to eight right to the difference was two point two games. Not check this out. They didn't have LeBron James. So right now from what fourth to tenth is like a four thri or game didn't have last year when that situation happened. You have a brand right now. So for the next twenty six games, you're going to trust the Sacramento Kings and Los Angeles Clippers over brand Jiang. Just saw Bron James who LA in the motor handy. Anna flown out of. You can't Indiana. And that's when they were psychologically Lord more people wanted team, and they got one. One again, they just wanna get not going out on the day of ballot. Just wanna get without old depot. You're taking regain this. What you're doing taking a three game stretch. Okay. With all the issues lebrons health. The players. My set all that over fifteen years of play. That's what you're doing Braun is versus reading in common with Chris. I was listening to that's like Tom betting against Tom Brady and Bill check. He did that to who gets that, man. He did that. Want to give them? Look. Right. Oh, the Lakers will make the playoffs in rob. You need to stop this. Because we know who they are when they are understanding what they have to do with LeBron James, and they figure it out, and they get it done. They were the fourth seed with LeBron James after figuring out how to play what we look like with him in our lineup and finding their row. That's who they were then they have to play this transitional period without LeBron James. So now, we have to live and survive life without him. Our game looks different. We're going to try to get our own now. I so Baugh game. Look completely different. Lebron James now come back. Now, we gotta give back to what we were doing get out of what they would offend not going to bay Brown better rive live most of he just got back and he's only two and a half games out. And you're sitting here saying with twenty six games left. There's no way he can make up that two and a half J. Don't wait. I don't believe that. They will be able to say, no, he's not making the sauce. I. I'm telling you. I don't believe they're gonna make the playoffs. As though you saying they the guys that he has LeBron I related foresee with. That was three months into the only played a few games. You. If you. And a half. It's no longer than that no day on. No is this team that three and seven in last ten night any of those. Do you play? What who you have? And he won't he. Two or three games as the blonde came back. Is that a good record? I'm asking you. Lebron loss to raisins, forever philadel-. That's good. Three and seven don't to sell off on behind all of what you're talking about. Right. Good. Good. Hear you on that. They muddle. He's not even mentioned in there. I'm just giving you team LeBron on concerned. This is why panic try to get a D. They know this team is not good enough. They know it. So with a win the campuses, they know this can't let go they good enough to go to the playoff off. And losing a first round. They doesn't doesn't really matter. They been near six years. I get that. But they have LeBron now. And now he doesn't know who they got who they got who did he go. So that's what they're going to that's going to. That's going to last weekend's pretty Jesse do Betty play last. Anything last Rummy? They won one of them. All k-. The expectation is for the Lakers to be there. When the LeBron came to the Lakers, the people are talking about going playing in the finals. Right. That was. Fine. I'd say the Ranas they healthy. They would add. But Chris was on Mark. Right. He they were on. They wouldn't have. Miss seventeen games. They wouldn't went above five hundred seventeen. I don't know. You don't not sure you something else. So that's the case with a one all threes. Bowl is we're Cleveland his full in thousand rounds. All right idea. He was dead with that same team being the playland to work. Where last sixteen we've all watched it. Let me ask you. How fractured internally is a locker room when almost all of your team was put on on the tray table for Anthony Davis at obviously fell through how long does it take to recover from that because these are young guys and there I don't wanna say fragile because that doesn't sound like the right word, but it's a little bit differently. Right. Exactly, they're human. So how I mean? Okay. Let's let's the west is so stack so tight let's say Lakers get in. But how much damage is done with the guys that have remaining thought that they were gone. Think listen we young at one point town. We came into the league, what is NEF L NBA. It's the it's your first punched in the face. You get over it. You're done. Magic spoke to you. Lebron Schorr spoke to you. There's guys has been in a situation, and maybe not a trade like that at a young age like a magic Orla brand, but they had friends or peers that have been traded. So I didn't go my and Houston. I was fortunate enough to have Rudy Don was believe in me and St Francis. And we just I didn't have to think about that. But I had guys on that team that will little distraught. Psychologically does a lot to you. Because you're you're literally. The guy then when you come to them, you're not the guy anymore. You're not LeBron James. You're not a Joel Embiid. You're not those guys. So your your psyche. When this happened to your psyche telling you, while am I good enough where my not good enough. Like, do they love me or do? They not love me. You get like that. Like a little kid again. Now that it's over you have twenty six games to just play because they can't trade you they can do anything. Now. I think those guys will be fine but Donut Indiana game. Weeks before that is still in your head. I can't give you one hundred percent if I have doubt in nothing in life. So why would you want me to play free when I know Harrison Barnes, I'm sitting on a bench looking like. I my parents go out even parents at now, they love me. But then they treat me that's how you feel as young guy. I just think now it's over. I think these guys I just got punched in a face. You know, it's a business. Let's just go forward. That's that's what I think. I think before were to the playoffs one bad loss in Atlanta to having a struggle to make the playoffs will be out of it. Remember what I told you one bad loss to a bad? I remember core. Weeks of Super Bowl the over about the thank you for being here. Rogers pad rap for being a bad teammate. We're going to ask his former teammate. Glaring. Rogers is arguably best QB in the game. But his leadership was recently called out. Former tight end your Michael Finley said Rogers would often ignore Mike McCarthy's lay calls and pull the receiver. Jeff Jedis said that he's too negative to his teammates all of that. The recently retired Julius peppers called Rogers a quote, all time great player and teammate Greg us on a Super Bowl with Aaron. He shared a walk room with him for several years. Do you think that he catches too much heat for his leadership skills, and you rip them did? I did. Absolutely. No. I don't. I don't. In. I'm not. So we can throw out the DRA Michael, quote, we can throw out even the Julius peppers. Because what I want people to understand is when you're in the locker room, you're all team. You you see each other face a phase everybody. But once you go into the meeting rooms now you break up now, it's offense defense. Now. Once we watched that film. I'm not critical of you. Or you're not critical critical of me. So Julius peppers is kind of out of that equation right now in so he's never had to really sit in a meeting room with Aaron Rodgers in be either the reason why or why not something didn't happen. But Jeff, Janice when when I listened to a guy who just was in the locker room with you recently. And he's saying things like you know, he's too negative to his teammates. And some may say, oh, yeah. Jeff, janice. You got a tough enough. You gotta get some thicker skin. Yeah. No. When when somebody saying you're being too negative. That means you're not being pas. Positive at all like what good? Are you getting out of me, if you're not going to even you're the guy we needed to be the guy, but you are talking down on me? And I'm all you have right now. And I just I don't like when I hear people say I said it when I went when I was walking out the door of Green Bay Packers. I said that his leadership skills weren't what everybody thought they were. And I got a I got Hughes flag behind it. But now we're seeing guys say this same vein kated now. No, I didn't have to be masking. I didn't have to be. I didn't have to be what I said. I was when I felt and what I believe to be true in what these guys are saying what they feel and what they believed to be true. So hearing Julius peppers called Aaron Rodgers one of the all-time. Great teammates. Absolutely. I can see why he was saying that again, he's not in that meeting room. He's not getting the full dosage of air dodge. Isn't it? Also, just what he experienced when he was in Lord. That's all he can base it off. It's all e-commission also got to realize that you because of the position you play. And that you're you need Aaron Rodgers to get you the football. You can look at them in a different way because he affects your paycheck. He affects your play facts. Whether or not, you know, what I mean things happen for you, though, you're gonna look at them differently than somebody else. Would you agree with that? Absolutely. Right. And I just think that the so much nitpicking at era Rogers. He's a great player. He's not perfect as he. He is he the best person personality. I'm not in the locker room with them. But I'm just saying it's easy for guys. Now over there in Rogers. I've been around them a little bit. I've never covered him like as a beat reporter. But I've talked to a number of times after games in Detroit. Just as conversation. You know what I'm saying and net. That's it. I'm not saying like, I have some sort of text friendship with the morning thing like that. So I've been around them a little bit. And he comes across the way that I've always seen him when I watch him on television. No. But I mean, like when I watch his demeanor like on a game or that's how he comes across to me. All I'm saying is it's easier. These things use you to say now when you said it was a little different because he wasn't hurt or an downside or struggling now. When a guy play gets heard it's easier to take shots at people would say, they're not all that they're cracked up to be because he's not looked at in the same light. Because they haven't made didn't make the playoffs. He struggled recently been hurt a couple of times. So I'm saying when I look at that if those things was said to to me about Iraj IRS would he was winning an MVP and they will go into the playoffs and winning the division every year. I'd have more respect for rather than when a guy's hurt. And when a guy's not playing his best. I think it's easy to to make those comments. Well, first of all look at the comment that Julius peppers made. You made me think a hail Mary pass was a. A fifty fifty ball. You know, our chance to win you watching. You was like he talked about his ability on the field and anybody criticize Aaron Rodgers from you on down. Would nobody criticize his ability like that Julius peppers didn't say he was great in the locker room. He was a great galvanizing met. He was great leader. But the context of that quote in look more to me, it was pretty much all on. You were great player you let us and being on your team was fantastic. Because we always had a chance to win. I don't think is gets enough criticism for this. I don't think he gets much criticism at all, you know, most people he's always in the commercials. We know that one of only a handful of NFL players that is like Dan discount tire checks. He, and he is regarded most people a lot of people say look at him and say, he's the best thrower of the football down fast qu. Quarterback then decision that they've ever seen even though he's only won one Super Bowl in since what two thousand that doesn't have anything to do whether you could win a Super Bowl of whether you could throw the football now. But my point is there's no criticism and even people now saying he has something to do with Mike McCarthy and fire that's not really a negative market gives you Magic Johnson. Got a coach fire. Everybody thinks lebrons gets coaches by Jason Kidd guy, coach just like that. That's he doesn't get criticizing my point and to your point, Greg. What's the diff like he's a great player? But Tom Brady has the intangibles. That's one of the big difference Rogers better physically, but Brady's better as a leader catching some heat though last season not getting a road win. So I kind of don't think much she a little critical. That's I mean, that's not much our next question. Look at ninety make rob Parker's off. Does Tom Brady deserve a statue? At michigan. I think so discuss that next. No. Final topic of the day. Tom Brady recently won his six Super Bowl ring. But one thing he doesn't have is the statute Jim Harbaugh says the former wolverine should in fact have statue somewhere on campus Brady was twenty and five and one two games as the starting to be at Michigan. So rob. Years Fasching both Harbaugh and prayed. So does Brady deserve a such at Michigan? No way. No, how this is typical Michigan unless there's a two sided statue where drew Hansen is on the other side, and it wrote. Go all the way think about this. Tom Brady was thirty thirty touchdowns. Seventeen interceptors. Then never won a national championship with Tom Brady. Why are you celebrating his NFL career? It's different. Now, he wants to give money and have a building his name on it. That's fine. He doesn't deserve it. And if they do it, this would be typical Michigan. I'm sorry. You're paying tuition for your daughter there. But this is what they do. 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Happy Trails - A Tribute To Eddie Van Halen

Talk Is Jericho

1:55:38 hr | 1 year ago

Happy Trails - A Tribute To Eddie Van Halen

"I This is David Greco. Busted Open on Sirius Xm, and I remember the first time ever hearing Eddie Van Halen, just coming home from school my last day of school before the summer of one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one, my brother was blasting from his boombox mean streets the opening song affair warning and I just remember from that point on that that solo that started off means streets that happened to that guitar man just phenomenal and it just I'd never heard anything like it before or since, and I instantly fell in love with Van Halen and especially Eddie Van Halen and I never got see him with David Lee Roth by remember my junior year high school seeing them on the Oh. Eight one to tour and I was never big. Sammy. Fan always preferred David. Lee Roth. So I was completely fixated on Eddie van. Halen. That entire time and I just remember his solo is the main event because once he did it sola man once they went into black and blue after that slowly start to see people leave kind of like, Hey, man, we just saw the main of we just saw the main attraction. We came here to see Eddie van Halen. We came here to hear that Solo and man he's a legend and I know that's a term that's thrown around a lot but he was a true legend icon and without a doubt the greatest guitarist of our generation. And Jerry. A welcome and talk is Jericho. It's the pot of thunder and rock and roll, and it's been a tough week because just a few days ago. The world lost one of the best most innovative guitar players in rock history or any type of history. The guy who created a movement became part of the pop culture lexicon and inspired generations of guitar players and always will talking about the great legendary Eddie. Van Halen passing away from a cancer on October six at the age of sixty five None of us really knew what to do I mean this is really hard as hard as losing Neil. Feels like sixteen years ago it was just beginning of twenty twenty but I did the same type of thing that we did when Neil passed away I gathered a bunch of friends and fellow musicians all influence inspired by E v H and all who say they owe their music and careers to him and we pay tribute honoring Edward Van. HALEN's playing. Solo. songwriting his technical contributions to the guitar and as. You'll hear his incredibly friendly warm human spirit as well. The inviting smile and humility that endured even when he wasn't at his best, I'm joined by trickster Steve. Brown. Who was part of the van Halen camp had a personal relationship with them. There's a mutual love shared still, panthers, Guitar Sachiyo played in one of the greatest van Halen tribute band, atomic punks, and whose guitar playing trips of Van Halen ESCO. Solos. Fosse, bandmates guitarist, of course, my partner crime rich ward who's playing is not necessarily eddie influenced per se but his attitude and rhythm playing is what ritually picked up, which is very interesting to me. Of course, billy gray who has van Halen disciple who rips out the Solo t really got me whenever we play it live and another very talented musician who credits everything to Eddie. Wilson. So many friends who wanted to pay tribute to Eddie more than we can welcome into a single podcast session for the whole show. So invited undescended thought stories and Memories Eddie Van Halen hear those of show as well. Of course, the Fab, three Charlie anti Mike Portnoy Dave the Greco from busted open Frankie Khuzdar answer made w all offer their. Own Stories and that's what we're going to begin the show today with a few words from Michael Sweet for striper. He was gonNA come on the show on Saturday He couldn't because he had some meetings had to do but he did send in these memories and these thoughts about Eddie van Halen as we kick off the tribute right here on talk. Well, never forget the first time I heard then he'll in one. Changed. My life as a musician as guitarist. As a producer. And I strived to be better. And I was inspired to work harder. At my craft and a truly give all the credit to Eddie van. Halen for that. Although I'm a huge van Halen Fan. And I admire respect each member Eddie Van Halen? had a very special impact on me individually. And It feels like I lost the family member to be honest. It's unbearable. It's still can't believe it every day I wake up and I'm just blown away that he's gone. And I am incredibly sad but I'm also very happy. With. What he left for the world in the marquee made. On on this planet with the music that he created in how innovative he was and how he changed the rock and roll world forever for all. Eternity. And certainly changed my life and I love him and God. Bless you. May He rest in peace? Speaking of this weakest is taking a dump you WanNa talk about a rock and roll. Thing enforce the passing of the greatest of all time. You can't convince me of otherwise we can talk about that of Eddie Van Halen and I just did guest Dj set today. for serious for the Van halen channel which. Made me realise a bunch of stuff I'm excited to talk with probably five of the biggest. Four, the biggest influence, Van, Halen, guitar players that I know two of them in my band, of course, being Billy Gray and rich ward, and then we got Steve Brown from trickster and from Tokyo Motor and of course the Almighty Satchel from Steel Panther. If I call you Russ is because it's a pet name that we have for each other. All of you guys are very much influenced by by van Halen but different ways. But I guess we could just start from the start. How how did it feel for you? Because I think you actually knew Eddie I'm not sure if rusted or not But how was it for you? Steve hearing this kind of in the know a little bit kind of in the Cap. So to speak and kind of knowing what was going on with with Edward over the last six months or a year or so yeah, I'm the well I feel like I lost a part of my body I feel like lost the family member and Like we all do we lost the greatest rock and Roll Guitar, player and musician. The world's ever known in the world will ever know so yeah. But I gotta be honest you know I knew it was common. You know I got a call the day before it happened but I knew even before because he's been sick for really long time. So at the end of it, I'm just so happy that he's finally at peace not suffering anymore because I do know that the last couple of months in the last month especially, really really rough on them and For a guy who is so sweet and had such big heart, I would never want to see him suffer like he did right. How about you billy the way I heard about it was from wouldn't USA NAPA text. and. He's gone I was like Oh, my God I was either thinking. Hr I'm sorry to bring it up her Eddie trunk but I knew it was probably eh because of all the the rumors that were going around and then those guys not being able to go out on tour and stuff like that and just he and So Yeah. Do that was a horrible day I? Mean I still can't believe it. It was definitely A. Rich. Yeah I mean I sort rejects from you I that was the crazy thing. I just looked down you. I think you're Texan and he's gone and I didn't like I did not have process it because I think part of me was just You know I had no idea. He was that sick. So it didn't make sense to me that that would have been what you meant urinating like I didn't sell as the thing. It's like when you don't expect something, I'm searching my memory bank of. He's gone what is I'm just trying to, and then immediately I just just inside and have to ask charitable question any van Halen and I didn't want to say you know I felt so sick to my stomach about the possibility was that I immediately went on social media sites justice seem to confirm assure enough thousand craziest thing is it only been fifteen minutes or so and the entire? Twitter and instagram time just photographs light and then that was land my heart sunk and I was like you know and the crazy thing was I know most you guys know Matt Brown right at any age yeah. brock. Yeah and he yeah, I just spoke literally just loca them fifteen minutes or Jericho sent me the tax and I think he knew but just didn't want to say anything and I was like I could hear his voice. Is. Everything. Alright. Is a guy just have to clean some stuff up here the shop and I was like Yeah just incredible. And there was any longtime tech Matt Way I think we might be made. There is a map brown right? Are you talking around? Yeah because there's not map brown and then Mac Brooke whose Eddie's best friend being. Runs. Gear who's been with Eddie for thirty years. WHO's one of my one of my dear friends and Back that Brown who works for? In, Yeah Works with Dad's developed the Guitars Yeah That's it but you Russell mean obviously the in St. Stephen Billion. Rusty you guys all have very van Halen style and but I think when whenever we tour Steel Panther to Eddie influences just ridiculously huge. They're obviously you're huge fan and did you know anything about this or was it more of a surprise to you? Now? I you know I was actually on the phone with Mike Star because this whole pandemic has got. Basically at home ride nobody wants to be out there but we can't. So it's been. Totally screwed up your, but I was also Michael Star and I'd call sticks length five minutes before he sean event called Michael and I don't talk to Michael Every day and you know a lot of people know this that Michael and I used to be in a band. For years right and so that was. As. Far as tribute bands go right that you know that bands started in the. Early Ninety s a way to make money. But also because we were huge Van Hewlett advance and you know we all grew up learning complete rock on behalf, of course. Like so many. There yeah, I mean, that's that's like the first step and I s I remember hearing I was Har blew me away when I was like seven years old. So he played me eruption. I didn't even play guitar yet just to That's hard. I didn't know that detail can make. And of course, that was part of what made me? Talk cleric like looking back in retrospect. But I was on a foul with Michael Star. and. I don't talk to him every day and I was like I don't use some bad members you talk to you more during pandemics. I A state. So Misery Davis Michael was you know he? He's So he's. Just like Chris Ranch and. Number. Coverage is like Chandler. Down so I got him on the phone, and of course soon, the Michael on the phone sticks call stack right and he's like rethought glowing opening like I'm just sticks. So sticks calls, Michael and he starts gone his no and Michael's. Patch man I'm like, all right. We have to let sticks join the conversation and. He's like you doing. Sean cash up. On. Did you guys talk about any and I knew? Like You know us we all knew that he was sick and we all talked about it for awhile but but he Just kinda go maybe it's not going to happen and then I'll send. Tigris now, and you know the whole we should like every day WHO's been I. It's so weird. I never even talks daddy never met one time, but he's been such a huge part of my life from beginning of me playing music like he was all ours because he wasn't just great tarp either. Throughout my guitar playing my music. My learning of using I I realized that one of the reasons why I always put on Van Halen instead of ingles. GIVES A. Tara any Eddie. was just a great guitar. Are Rich it was also a great songwriter and a great musician and all of the things set. At cared about it, he can listen to any songs like he cared about all carbs in all rhythms and auditor. So interesting and it was you know it's instead all week about and that's the thing too and I it just to kind of jump in. It's crazy because I, felt the same way that I did not just nine months ago when Neil Pyrrhic dies another huge I'm not a instrumentalist musician, my my music musical instruments, my voice. But when I heard about appear dying like this, fucking. Terrible and that was a huge surprise. But same thing there is some underlying you overtones and then a couple of weeks after that Kobe Bryant dies, and then here we are eight months later and Eddie dies. You have three guys that are legit could be considered the best of all time at what they do in deal in Kobe and Eddie three within this time frame I was like you know Ozzie and frigging Gretzky better go hide in the bunker somewhere you know get out of this year. But. Here's what I was thinking. If I wanted to get into this and you mentioned what Russia tumble, what Eddie was a musician, but it was more than that and let's talk about this because I think it's something you guys will all understand. Van. Halen isn't just a band van Halen changed pop culture in a smaller way but a similarly that the Beatles did. When van Halen became a very popular rock band suddenly they became synonymous with what rock and roll is whenever you watch the movie at that time frame fast times at Ridgemont high speed holy at the end he loses his reward money because he spends it all on Van Halen come into play his birthday party you know even bill and Ted they want Van Halen van Halen's and back to the future in Van Halen's here van Halen became synonymous with good time rock and roll. And, not the same way that it did with the other bands that were hot at that time in the mid eighties of priests and made in. Scorpion. Scorpio. They had a little bit of an evil twin to it. Van Halen had none of that. They had. We're GONNA have chicks in bikinis and we're going have. A giant in a an effect guy and a skinny guy, and it's all GonNa be a great time and that's what Van Halen to me is more than just the music he became part of Pop. Culture Lexicon. Do you agree with that? Totally I knew Steve One hundred percent man main. Van Halen was they were in the eighties as far as I'm concerned. I mean as far as eighties rock bands because every rock band that came after him copied them. We all did we all wanted to be van Halen I wanted to be Eddie van. Halen, I, know I know Satchel did I know billy did you know how could you not they were fucking coolest thing ever you could not touch any no ban came near them as far as the attitude the fun and that's the cool thing Chris. I think he stumbled upon. A great. You didn't stumble upon and it's the truth that they were in when you crossover when you're in motion pictures and you have references of your band and your music is in major motion pictures in the eighties you've crossed way you're in pop culture. That's way bigger than hip parade magazine they were definitely a good time Dan. When you heard Van Halen you thought or I did I thought about just loud Guitars Party and California good time rock and roll chicks. You know what? I mean I love and I love it. I think you're right. Chris that they they captured a moment in time and. Like the aesthetic, right like like James Dean did you like certain people are synonymous with something and I think it was just because you had this incredible musician songwriter in Eddie who partnered with the personification of of West Coast Showbiz and he was one part, Barnum Bailey Circus and one part Robert Plant, and like he just had all of those things that made him the perfect vehicle for the van Halen brothers and actually today's the car little bit just doing we've all been doing assured his revisiting these albums. I was actually really surprised at how leads I overlooked even because the van Hillard brothers the same thing as Lepanto terror anytime you have just these I- tonics of musicians. It's the same reason why you know Getty and Getting. Obviously the professor get all of the love. Your House is one of the greatest guitar all times but unfortunately because you have those other Jews but I was listening in Michael Anthony's baseball incredible. They are they ruled the chemistry of that band was perfect and there is just not being wrong with it and it was just I think everything about them the timing and the fact that at that point in time there was something magical about what all Americans thought about California and Hollywood, and again encapsulated that that kind of picturesque idea with the. Whole. World when they thought of California's about American flag bikinis and long hair like just like you said, the SPEC holy attitude and I think they they were the only band that was able to do that. But without dealing like it was a joke like it felt like it was real urine saying sometimes there's the Epcot version of bats which feels cheesy and you know it's like it's overblown and then there was van he earned they walk that tightrope and I think that's why people really love them because they were the ultimate American dream escape. A, this is Charlie it what the anthrax and this is me talking about one of the greatest if not the greatest guitar player to ever come out of. This, World Eddie Van Halen. I'M GONNA take it back to the early days of me being a huge kiss led Zeppelin Sabbath Queen Fan and then I heard this song. From my next door neighbor. And it was fucking Jamie's crying and. Just like to drum sounded even noticed talk until later but this. A Solo in it, but it's not like a eight Alan complete assault on your on your senses Solo and I looked at the album cart run I just had to have it and in eruption came on and that was it. I couldn't understand what was going on but I just knew I loved it and. I got a taste of what? fucking excitement sends like on record. You know I mean. So many records have excitement on a van Halen. Sound like a fucking party going on with their their albums. which I loved to this day. Those little things those little ad libs those. That they put on their record just made it sound like. These guys just came in the studio. They took the party to the studio and hit record and there's a song and that's the way I always felt about that Ben. First Time I. saw him. My neighbor nick his mom took ghost. She drove us to the Nassau Coliseum. The See van Halen Nineteen, seventy nine. And I was only at a few concerts throughout those years because I was still young. And this was one of the first ones I. She dropped us off we went and had fucking ball when they came on. It was just a different level of different types of excitement from me at shows. There was just so much energy coming off of that stage and just seeing them in person and seeing do these Solos. And these jumps. It was just amazing. Alex hit his fucking gone on fire and it was. I just couldn't get enough of them and I never miss them every year after that. So they definitely have a place for me. When I think of Allen I think of my childhood and just experiencing like I said excitement every time I saw them. I would always get the my arm would stand up because something would happen. That would make me go whoa right there. That's something that I'm going to take with me forever and That's what Van Halen. Elements me. Talk is Jericho is being sponsored in part by Zebra, it's been reported that Americans are overpaying on car insurance by over twenty one billion dollars. That's right. I said billion with a B.. 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This Day age he would get murdered. You know he sings the words he wants to sing. He doesn't care as I was watching I'm the one today from about seventy eight and do it. All just goes wow and just like he fox off I'm the one the one you love he lets the guys seem to background he's not Now, he's out. then. I'll down. His no interest in singing anything and it doesn't matter because he's doing these dances and even watching later era roth than on that tour two, thousand fifteen when do hot for teacher he's not even singing the words meanwhile back at the ranch. Down that, I realized that I had no mustard for my sandwich sinton identity. Mustard sandwich wow. And it's just like it's so great. But no one could ever get away with that. Those two guys were so locked in with one is one would pick up the slack for the other and vice versa I think because he was working the room right as opposed to now you're working you too. Now everybody gets to pick apart year performance for back. Then you was really about a like the energy Iraq. And he's reading the room and he's working that room we all used to work in the club scene and you never thought about somebody's got a camera and thinking got better net mix right nailed it. So Lebanon jump up for cabinets because I if I suck. So a blow it it's GonNa be on. Youtube tomorrow at ten thousand comments down retort such terrible like so now so many people I think there's this kind of apprehension to live in that moment that I think was magical about that Roth era like the the. The Prima up show old guys right you. Ask What do you think? Do you agree with all that? Yeah. It was. I wish I wish we could all go back. It. was such a great time music and. You know I mean there's so much. He said, for Fr- going on stage totally hammers. and not giving a ship because really. That's they were a rock and roll band. It was like I can remember. Hearing about bands like Zeppelin when I was a kid and people saying there was nice when they were totally on Nice where they were totally not always and then here was similar to that but I mean like. Any. Early News like listen back to some of that some of his life. There's no guitar later this been. Matching, right you you're so on fire and he had so much attitudes and just. And his tone was so clean and and. Most guys no real play that kind of stuff you got rich with so much aggression and just had is unbelievable technician. Technician buildings also since a great performer as well and and it didn't matter do those guys like also. Hit has concentrate like. You know who can could smile like any make it look so easy. And actually like look totally unease. Because, he was at ease and play the ship he was doing is my. laughing. You'll. I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa let you guys unleash in a bit. You guys just go nuts talking about guitars and Eddie's sound and all that sort of stuff. But let's talk about the first time. You ever heard Van Halen and I'll start because I've got a great story. So I, I grew up in Winnipeg and in about nineteen eighty two, I was taking guitar lessons from Kansas Music and my guitar teacher Gyco. Brad. Roberts. who later went onto basically worldwide fame as the singer of crash test dummies if you remember that. Song was. Four. That was my guitar teacher. So I remember he would get the little book when you're a kid and and it's like like three blind mice being being being being being being. Being being anyways I would I was walking home from a lesson? And this is no joke dude I was walking home and I saw a guitar pick on the street and picked up on. I might even still have it was a white guitar pick and one side and said the H. and the other side said Michael Anthony. And as like who is this? What is of Vh and who is Michael? Anthony I didn't know. So I took it to my next lesson. I showed it to the Brad and like who? WHO IS THIS DUDE In Van Halen that's Mike Lansing. Who's he's the Bass Player of Fan has the greatest rock enroll in like while splint. So he played me some something and I remember thinking like, how is that? The same thing that I'm playing going being being being like, how's it even the same thing it's it's like fuck it's completely different other worldly instruments and that's what I became a Van Hill. It was right at that cusp before nine, hundred, eighty, four came out. So I was the perfect demographic for that album and all the the coolness fall it. So Billy, how did you first discover van Halen High I discovered I heard him I on the radio I heard running with the devil and then my buddies were like. We're going to see ban. Halen one, thousand, nine, hundred. So it was like I think it was fair warning tour of my parents wouldn't let me go but they were all going. Out. And hate life but anyway After that, they got the the first records, the van, Halen, Van, halen's first record. I've got to hear eruption in my buddies bedroom we all were listening to it, and that was just completely blown away and then I started. You know I bought the record and finally I started buying more and more van Halen records, and and. Playing Guitar today right there. HOW ABOUT YOU RUSS? Oh I don't remember once. I, actually heard I. I was I was pretty young before I played guitar and you remember summer heard eruption and sober he played for me and I couldn't believe what I was here. And that was obviously you know. I was playing so but. I. Can remember actually drawing yellow one because it was a little kit. Remember, drawing their vases and the our. Run because I thought looks bad, ass I. Know what it was about. It was like this is awesome like any and every everybody had a cool coz day roth in a bed backwards I was like this so cool and I didn't even hear the whole record before I got into. I mean as time went by I remember. Hearing you got and Ronald, the Darrell attack and. It was. been held so. I don't know anybody who ever heard it. And goes. Because riches interesting too because out of the four players. You're the one guy that doesn't play like Eddie and not saying that anybody plays like Eddie but your style is much more. John Sykes and David Gilmour and just one note milk it for all. It's worth Angus young style of soloing but you're also huge Eddie van Halen Fan. Yeah and ordered it was for me I think as a young kid who was what? I was basically. I love the package at love. The idea of what Van Halen was as an idea like as if they were like a religious cult or something you know and just love the concept of Van Halen more likes I loved ACDC, but as easy was the Colt. DC. Or concept or an ideas he was great songs on great albums but then Aron was something that I felt like it wanted to be like all my friends billion I grew up in the same town stroke North Carolina's every guitar player and he's Hairdo. Everybody was trying to emulate all of that stuff. So it wasn't just the one wasn't just like obviously. You know like Ross said when we heard on the radio everybody freaked out but it was amazing. How almost like a call everyone was was trying to not only play. Liked that look like the for me I think part of it was I've always been attracted to rhythm playing at and he's probably the best rhythm player of all time and that's thing though. I think a lot of times. People fixated on his lead playing and they should 'cause it's it's a amongst the greatest lead players of all time. But what makes the greatest guitar player of all time is that he is the greatest rhythm. Guitar Player of all time and quite possibly the best lead players. That's the thing of is a lot of guys for incredible shredders or great risen guys. He's one of you guys that you could actually say put both things together at such a level that and I think. Actually. I heard a lot of guys play his lead stop pretty close I yet year people that can really nail the rhythm stuff because his rhythm stuff is so unique and he doesn't reg- his a repeat patterns he's like a singer like the way he plays Rhythm Guitar is voice like a guy. He doesn't just repeat disdain verse Melody Oh or there's licks within the rhythm stuff in his phrasing changes and that's what I loved about him is that it was exciting I think rushed. His playing had excitement just jumped off of it and part of that was is that I think. His rhythm playing he was playing rhythm and lead at the same time. Lets you. There are so many nest just single line runs and things within it were incredible and I i. think probably the only the guy who was kind of like that was with Hendrix but but Hendrix obviously stylistically was way differ but the the formula had been the same where you had a guy who has such a mastery over lead and rhythm flying. That's a great point. People don't fixate on on Eddie's rhythm playing but it is. It's like you said locking with Mike Anthony and locking in with and even with Wolfgang you like watching those. Videos last night he was a great fucking Boogie Rock Guitar Player? You know heavy riffs guys know whatever kind of riff it needed but I always think almost van Halen as kind of a modern day Boogie Ban as well because there was taken advantage up, you know Steve. How did you discover the band and eighty nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, eight, man it was You know a huge year for me and probably huge ear for everybody in the sense of I discovered kiss rock and roll over and that completely changed my life two weeks later I was down at musically. Yours in Maywood New Jersey taking more or less. And you know and I was taking are less by this guy named Bob and the word got out around my street because we had a bunch of, do you know bunch of guys that we're all rock fans and I remember it walking up the street and this Kid Tommy Walsh he knew I was huge kiss fan as everybody was any goes Steve Community you gotta come in my house you got listen to this. It's Band Banco Van Halen Gene Simmons discovered them. Here. I would love and he had the eight track tape van Halen one and what I remember vividly is our member he played running with the devil and here in the car horns and. Home. was just fucking perfect. If that isn't the perfect intro to any rock record, I don't know what is. It's new the fucking best and it was just like I was in love and again like Russ said, he saw that album cover and you saw those guys and was like. Gene Simmons discovered them while they gotta be great and then the next thing I know eruption comes on and it was you know I was a scene out of a movie smoke was coming out of my ears. Strobe lights out of my eyes in every emotion and Shit and piss myself. He was everything all in one and then I, was like, what is that guitar? Is it? is of video game is it a synthesizer is I didn't know what it was and when he got to the end when he does the tapping part I literally almost jumped out the window I. Mean it was. Powerful and You know I say with all the love in my heart that that day and from that moment on. I sold my soul to rock and roll and I'm still running with the devil because that moment was when basically I told my parents I was only eight years old at the time maybe when I discovered van Halen I was nine. But I was complete like this is what I'm GonNa do. This is the coolest thing in the world and it was all because Eddie van Halen and you know and you know look my life from that moment on was changed as I think all of ours because of that and it was that powerful and not immediate. Did you have that attitude billy because billy moved to la when he was seventeen with his mum's permission Mama favorite stories by mom wouldn't let me leave the house at seventeen never move across the country to Los Angeles 'cause you. Say. You're kind of the gunslinger in Charlotte that could play the randy rose the van Halen stuff was that part of the reason why you went to l. a. at seventeen years old was chase the dream of being Eddie Van Halen you yeah. What gotten me even after a rupture? Not all those emotions steve all those emotions but even after that, I went to see him on the diver down toward nineteen eighty-two and they were they were all that night dude they were smoking hot I mean the ban was on fire and when I still he so low and him drop kicking those speakers. Awesome Fun and showmanship and I'll just everything the whole production of the whole band the attitude and the fun as a that's what I'm doing. I was twelve years old but I was a little bit older there Steve. But that got me right there man that concert right there is. I was definitely in love with eruption here the hearing all the songs and then getting the record and really dive deep. But then when I saw me concert in the first time on the Dabur down tour that was a life changer right there. Is there a more iconic image in rock and roll the Eddie Van Halen during his his jump in the air. With one leg split I mean. He showed me a picture if I'm an alien from from Gen del. Show me a picture of what rock and roll is. That's it, and he just jumping mid air with that fucking smile and the red and white guitar. Was the first time you guys saw. The first time billy Sam how `bout use the ones the first time you saw inhale it was thirty eight years ago on October eighth on the diver down Tour Loud Square Garden and kiss. The original kiss on the dynasty tour is my first show in one, thousand, nine hundred. and. and then Van Halen, and that was the moment that I knew that when I started my band whatever it was going to be because I hadn't started tricks. Yeah. I was playing in garages but when I saw them the impact was it was I think what we all spoke about that party atmosphere girls throwing their bras up in there fucking panting hugging each other for you know. Madison Square? Garden. In one, thousand, nine, hundred as you can imagine basically smell like one big joint. Like? This is just too much but watching them and seeing interact how cool they were with each other on stage and it was like the band was part of the Party and they were the party they were the host of the party was the ultimate postmaster and it was everything that I wanted to do and it was again that moment where I said when I started ban, it's going to be just like Van Halen and it was a but you rich I would save Sir Billy this. Yeah. Billion I saw every show together we worked we were sitting together, but we re air. I so know the story but billy was a year great younger than me but he was there like the guy in Charlotte that everybody the reason you would know I'm sure been at the same for everybody in every every city you only knew who was good. 'cause you went to the local music store, the music store, and that was where you kind of tested out your chops in front of like and then the guys who will with the music store like to do. They were in club bands in you thought they were rockstars but really were just crappy bands but we all thought they were like. My News is like. came. In like and I remember always billy great. You'll know billy grey. Goose Great. to He could play rush watch. How could he? Catering towards it looks at kill. Chasing me. Bill. Like the Logo Gunslinger is Charlotte North Carolina I remember it no matter how would ever ban like little cover band I was in it was like, Billy's dad was always better than I heard like move to La to make in US what you move to La. And now. It's like, yeah, I mean. I mean have the reason why my favorite musicians are the ones that not only are passionate about it but just said, they packed up everything they had and moved into a rehearsal space or just did whatever it took like I just WanNa, do that you know, I want to go pilgrimage and go to India and I WanNa have like total enlightenment the role of version of. Like Steve's you gotta do that literally just said. GonNa? La. LA, off figure it out. Great Russell's your first Danielle lives live show. I never got to see here. Legally. Come on. No, not not. Ever. Never never watched him. That's crazy. Are playing is you and. Our Guys Van Halen Yeah. Disciples. It's funny that you win Van Heel and was with Ross era I was. Young enough so that I was right when I started to go go to concerts. That's. Right. Eighty four air in and. Then and then Sammy was the band and through the late eighties I didn't really have any interest in in Sammy Hagar Danielle and then as the nineties in ninety. Book Bikaner Working Musician itself. For. Years was like okay. Even, when I had genitals to see that I would be busy, do negate or whatever. It just never worked out and I was GONNA go see them a few years ago when Jay Lee Roth and everybody was back together for eight years that doesn't doesn't fifteen minutes or less. and. Thousand nine was the first one, right? Yeah. Last seven. Fifteen no it was wasn't. You does not cause. I was going to go to a rehearsal at the floor near having rehearsals at forming away. and. My daughter got really sick on what as I was on my way there and I just I had to turn wrong home and you know Take your daughter, and it was that was the only time I was going to see Hillary with daily Ross. have been and I was so broad. Time and answer onset. I've got a story that's almost as strange as Russians my first van Halen show because they came to. Winnipeg L. Night's four to her I. Remember the opening Van Band, was called the Velcro. It was just a local bar band and I was like Van. How always has the worst opening bands? Why is this I had randy Bachman from bt on the guests on talk is Jericho and they toured with Anhil on the fifty one, fifty tour because Sami wanted he said I need a killer band. He said I want you guys to play all hits and he said basically like five minutes after they were done. Van Halen's stuff was ready because he said I don't want any downtime I don't want people to remember that Roth isn't in this band. So when you go play take care business and let it ride and frigging down the highway and play your best shit. And he said that Roth was the torres for always wanting bands at weren't named so that they can get all the merch money. Needed help just putting the VELCRO. I remember the Velcro van cared for some reason. I didn't go on I. Don't know why. And then like you said, Russ, they broke up so I saw Dave and concert twice in Winnipeg Sammy and van, he'll never came to Winnipeg. And and so my first ever. Van Halen concert seeing any van Halen live in person was at the hard rock cafe in Orlando on the Van Halen three tour with Gary Sharon on vocals was. I knew the Bouncer at the hard rock and I was literally looking at Eddie's Crotch. I've ever. He's wearing black dress pants and a white muscle shirt and I was fucking stand in this far away and I'll tell you what once again. You can bag on that lineup they kicked ass man they were. They were fucking great. They were really good just standing right in front of Eddie, Van Halen and I remember thinking Oh this must be as we call it now in the Biz, it's an underplay like they're just. Doing a club tour just to warm up and then I realized there's no underplay. This is where they're at. Now this is the mighty van Halen and playing the hard rock cafe in Orlando in front of you know twenty five hundred people or whatever holds, but it was a great show but that was my first ever van Halen experience and it was like, oh my gosh like even then hill and his kind of going downhill in this crazy nineties period you know. Hey It's Mike Portnoy here still in shock and disbelief over the passing of. Cancer Edward. And You know it even nail and was more than just a musician. He was an innovator and a pioneer and a game changer very few guitar players or musicians for on any instrument come around that kind of redefine the instrument and changed the game entirely and as far as in the guitar world I would say Jimi. Hendrix, was surely a game changer and then came a van Halen when when he came around, it completely changed the landscape entirely of what you do with your instrument then and I don't know if there's many guitar players since that have really changed the game the way that Eddie. Van Halen. First Time I saw van deal in I was actually a fan starting in the early eighties. You know the first four albums in particular were huge for me and the might I band than I played with in junior high school intruder pretty much. We were covering in all the stuff from the first four or five van Halen albums but I didn't get to see them live for the first time until the nineteen eighty, four tour. And of course, it was incredible and I pretty much saw them on every tour ever since then and last time I got to see them was on this last tour they did two, thousand, fifteen and That was the first time I met Eddie and I went backstage and met him Alex and Wolfgang, you know showed me around introduced me to everybody and she got to go up and play Alex's drums but meeting Eddie for the first time was incredible because you know. He was just so genuine and cool. You know usually people on that level of You know fame aren't always that welcoming but Eddie y welcomed us into his dressing room and hung out with us and was just such a warm sweet guy and Of course, he played incredible on that last tour. He was just in shape and playing. Great Looking. Great. So it was nice that he went out on top. You know with a final tour with Dave playing great and sounding great. As far as picking a favorite song or Solo, really anything off those first four albums I like the deeper cuts you know if you listen to like women and children I, I love Tortora Loss of Control and Fools and. Romeo. Delight. Fair warning just filled with so much stuff obviously unchained mainstream and I even like the cuts on that album like one foot out the door, and then even on the nineteen eighty-four, there's some really cool deep cuts as well. Drop dead legs and girl gone bad. But you know Eddie had all these great solos not with not only within the songs. But obviously, you know just guitar Solos on each album you know he he established it with eruption eruption was the complete game changer. Then on the second album the you know turned off the electronics. And and played an acoustic and just blew everybody's mind with Spanish fly, and then you know as each each almond something new that he would introduce you know in terms of changing the landscape of guitar you know fair warning begins with You know the the beginning of mean streets with them doing this crazy tapping thing and and then on dive down, you had the drill with him playing you know with volume swells. So just each and every time was bringing new stuff to the table and always just completely innovating the instrument. Special episode of talk is Jericho is thanks in part to our friends at indeed dot Com. So a lot of the sports world was put on indefinite delay this past year Awa didn't stop for a second and I'm sure a lot of businesses didn't either thankfully, and like a guys had to keep moving and that made hiring even more important than ever you. Need. 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Try Indeed with a free seventy, five dollars credit at indeed dot com slash. Jericho. This is their best offer anywhere. So go now. To indeed dot com slash Jericho terms and conditions apply offer valid through December thirty first. Ab Sound I want you guys explain to me and explained to keep listening what is his defining Brown sound what does that? How does he get it? You Guys Guitar nerds. Open the form. I'll I'll let. Steve. Go I A steve surrounded by Brown line. Well I think it just comes down to as guitar players. We all know this. You know there's no magic box. There's no whatever amputee playthrough. We all know the story it comes from your hands in anybody that's ever. Analyst seen him. The guy had huge fans remember some minimum shook his hand. He fucking almost written my arm off. And that's the way. So that sound comes from comes from his hands. You know if if I played through Eddie's rig or any played through my rig, it would sound like Eddie, Van Halen and vice versa we all know the story Ted Nugent told the years ago back in seventy nine when they did a show together some and you all Altay wanted to do is play through. Eighties rig because it's this magic thing which all it was was a Marshall with a pedal board that was a piece of plywood with affects taped to it a phase ninety and an issue boost pedal Ted nugent plugs in his guitar into Eddie's Reagan you know what sounded just like Ted, nugent. So getting to Eddie's thing the brown sound the thing about Eddie's tone was is that Above and beyond his hands and the way he hit the strings, he was able to just make his sound always sounded warm. It was crunchy and it was distorted but it never hurt your ears in. It was every to me every frequency was in the right place still to this day if you to me the beginning of you really got me when he plays that thin- that Guitar Solo that is the Greatest Rock Guitar Rhythm Rock Guitar sound ever, and it's probably the one that all of us have been searching for forever, and that's just my opinion and if I was to tell if someone's to ask me what is a Rock Guitar Supposed to sound like, that's it right there above and beyond everything else because to me everything he's ever done and just like you said, Chris, thanks for giving props to the Gary Sharon era because I love some of the stuff that was on that record and I thought eggs playing on that record and honest tour with some of his best. He kind of he kind of stepped up his game because he knew with a new singer third lead singer he had the the ad is best and anybody who saw that tour. Eddie I think was pretty much as close to probably the needs because for me nine, hundred, eighty, two diver down tour. Van Halen at their ultimate best and especially Eddie's playing and. You know that that's it to me man that that sound where it's like the perfect nothing hurts it's got the perfect amount of low end the perfect amount of crunch and it just makes you feel good. You, know if you'd ask any. Any would look the said is I agree one hundred percent because I? Think even Nuno bettencourt said the exact same thing like playing through Nuno's rig just zealot Nunez rig satellite daddy any any like Tom Schultz in that he was a tinkerer and he was a bit of He was the on Musk of guitar playing in that for him. There was magic to be found in amplifiers voltage in specific tubes, how and how he how he kind of a matter of fact, there's an entire of to people who search for those things and one of the things that he did that was Kinda part of that magic was. Back then. Those old absol- Marshall Flexi guys, Journal all the way up because that's where the magic happens when they were dimed everything was where everything was wide open. But what he would do is put a voltage buriak on it. So he returned the voltage the Dow was made the Clyde, but it also created this kind a sag were the factory had this There was a lot less of that kind of initial Shit if there was actually a little bit sponge to it, and that's kind of part of that magic of his thing is where again it would it wouldn't. It wouldn't sound that way I've played through it. But as we all know dying Bagger, any of these guys who had these unique special sounds. They, they cultivated the style based on what they heard in their heads. So they were tinkerings with amplifiers and he was putting you know Gibson pickups named out right pastors and Monitor. As he loved the way a stratocaster sounded, but he also likes the sound of the of the humber that came into Gibson. Constantly. Constantly tinkerings and I think the same way we all do right like it's just that he was just like the pinnacle of all that stuff like we we are kind of lucky because by the time all of us came around, you could get modifications for JC and made hundred marshals pretty easy back before when there was detained, there was like two or three am through guys in the whole world. And and I know and was working with some of them but he also do some of the work himself which was great and I i. think there was a great story that Greg One of his biographers tolstoy Orient on I. Think you guys shared it with me on you've shared it. Yeah. Yeah. It was really about how Eddie would over to his. House. inbounds knows to Ted Temperament's house. That's right. Celebrates that old mid sixties melody maker. It's are you know and he picked it up and he was unplayable at any just couldn't stand to see guitar was unplayable because you ever Phillips Screwdriver and exhibits the guitar and bladed and Jilib Light played great and I think that's the magic of guys like and Tom. Who like to them? You know tone was religion and and their turn was it for everybody but they were constantly seeking and then his turns James. You know been euless join different kind of truth that was different from the tone that was on fifty one fifty which was different than the time was on the early records and I, think for him. He was constantly looking for new ways to challenge himself and to do Jericho to continue to reinvent himself and I think that was the magic of Eddie. You know one day he's wearing bell bottoms. The next days we're MC hammer pants the next. You know she was our David Bowie. He he was constantly there were different versions of him and his Guitar Sal was the same Russ go ahead buddy. Man I'll say when I listen to like hill or what and you know you can hear retard on one side. More coming out yes. The left side. And it makes you sue journalists because it still sounds huge. Are Know that I don't know anybody else who was able to fill up a record with one guitar, Long Guitar Right for me like I do a record it's like rhythm track like Is. It's like I just wanted want Megan's how bigger but it was the duty of here, right? Right just one on. One side I'm not GonNa overdubbed lakes on top of just gonNA. Do in my apartment. So couple of lakes in where I'm GonNa, you know. So it sounds so natural improvise and maybe maybe some of it what I'm sure some of it was improvised. But some of it probably wasn't as well, but you could tell because it felt so right. You don't mean it was like a direct line to when he was feeling coming out strangers and You know it's just amazing to listen to how big data one guitar. On a record like that and I don't think anybody's ever does anything close since as far as baton goes. To how wonders Har Sell back masses without having double earnings just crazy. You know it's funny because my first car was a seventy, six, hundred Lori and probably should you have to Google it and I remember we put it in a stereo 'cause I bought a for foreign boxes. I had like a couple hundred bucks from whatever the Hell Job I had at the time and Botta Stereo and we it in installed ourselves why didn't do shit my friend did it because he was good at that stuff but sometimes the right speaker would go out and you'd literally say hitting it sometimes and a member I had the cassette for Van Halen One Big things you just enter. The VAUGHN's. TRY TO PICK SATCHELS PERSONALITY A few times A. Punchy colts nothing changed. I you slammed the but but my point is that when that speaker went out all you would hear was what was going on on the right the left was out. And I believe that's is that monastery right channel agent. So all you would hear the whole Van Hill and one album when I was that age all ever heard were drums and bass and vocals. And like I said, there's no double tracking. So Years Eddie here's Mike Drums or somewhere else the vocals. So all that stuff I had a very interesting experience with all those songs 'cause I heard them all just bass drums vocals. Hey, this is frankie, Kazarian and Just like everybody else out there that's a massive fan of rock and roll music I was. Pretty devastated when I learned of Eddie Van Halen's passing at the age sixty five. I, I discovered a van Halen, pretty early on I had a friend. Who had two older high school age brothers and they were huge metal heads or as we used to call them heavens at least that's what we call out here they were. They were constantly blasting everything from Sabbath to made and Aprista Metallica of course, Van Halen. So it was very aware of their music early on but. The first time I remember seeing them when I was maybe five years old and. It was on it was on MTV, of course. and it was the video for jump. And I know that song particular very polarizing because it had the keyboards. A but I loved it. I was really young. I loved it and I was hooked and after seeing the video and seeing Eddie play guitar and seeing Dave do jump splits and everything it was just so cool. So van Halen was always really present in my life, but it wasn't until I got a little bit older and started learning how to play an instrument myself that I. Really began to dive into all of Van Halen's catalog and realized just how incredibly special and and how unique guitar player Eddie really was. He was constantly evolving constantly outdoing himself with every record. You know the term oft imitated never duplicated gets thrown around a lot but I think when it comes to Eddie. Van. Halen. That's pretty apropos. He has to be the most influential guitarist of his generation hands down and for my money event aliens the greatest American rock and roll band there is. My Band. Gutter candy covers a bunch of different van Halen songs and every one of them is a crowd pleaser every time we play it. At his famous for Solos need so many great ones. My favorite personally has to be either. Hot for teacher or beat it people may or may not know that Eddie van Halen did the Solo for beat it and? Both of those, all those great. Those two particular. Awesome. It's hard not to include eruption into that. But you know we we truly lost a a guitar God and I'm sad I more just like all of you do and my heart goes out to Wolf E and Alex and Eddie's wife Valerie and to all of you. Dog Is Jerry goes brought to you in part by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. 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Let's talk about and this might only apply to Steve but maybe we all have some stories of personally meeting. The members, of Van Halen whichever lineup that might be an I'll have a really good one and I'll start off and I know Steve has plenty and maybe rich billion in subsidies well but so in two thousand and four Vignon dinner reunion tour with Sammy which was not jude because Eddie was off his rocker and the thing about eighty like listen we all love event held but the guy was a troubled genius as most geniuses are he had his ups and downs and the AD is Substance all his issues that he had. This team has ever. If you remember on that tour, the two thousand and four reunion he was very. Like Bruce Lee. He was ripped and he was cut up but his teeth kind of fucked up and he wore his hair and a Samurai Bun. And if you read Sammy's book, He says Would Eddie wore. The Samurai Bun hair. That's when you knew that he was messed up. So. We go. Beforehand and Sammy's great guy and they're all great is sure but my. Experience. Sammy micro always they're very cool guys. Sammy loves wrestling. He loves boxing. So we got to go backstage to hang out with Sammy and Mike in their room, and there is literally almost like a psych ward literally almost like a yellow and black caution tape like do not enter and that's where the van Halen brothers were were on that side of the arena. But Sammy and Mike was like Van Halen Dude it was Tequila shots and great times and envisioning there wasn't but I'm envisioning chicks in bikinis and and little people, giants and drafts. And I was like how cool is this on taking a shot of Tequila with fucking Sammy Hagar before a van Halen show. So he says to me. During. Eddie Solo. Come down and hang out with me under the stage. He goes trust me. You'RE NOT GONNA want to see it and I'm like. Okay Sammy. Hager I'll come down and hang out with you under the stage during a twenty minute Guitar Solo which Hey I'm not a guitar player she. was like I'd rather go hang out with. Sammy. So we went down my cousins, Chad and todd, you get rich nosema billy knows him everyone under the stage and there was lava lamps and beanbag chairs and Sami had a tequila us. We took some shots and Sandy Garcia and he's having a rough time with these solos man and I was really So we left after about. Let's say it's twenty left at eighteen minutes as we were walking back up their seats. Eddie finishes his solo he comes up to the microphone goes well, that was the shits. And they come back stage and I was like oh my gosh. What's wrong with him? Not Knowing exactly is wrong but I'll never forget Sammy going, you're not gonna WanNa see this thing I'm not GonNa WanNa see Eddie van Halen. Solo like the greatest evidence like he was in a rough spot during that timeframe but it makes for a great store and I did get to hang out with Van halen underneath the stays. On as anybody else and Steve, you can go last because you had a personal relationship that is anybody else have any did. anyb- The other guys beat anybody van, Halen any kind of stories at all or show you right now You know when when I was in the Van Halen Tribute Whiz with Michael we. Right the. We. Played a show house Louisiana. And? Michael, Michael Anthony were down. So he he he brought his own race that he. was there. And What we had. At the House as we did. Five songs. And I under you. Need help, but he's A. Guy. I'm so cool. So sweet and he had such a great time and he's saying so good. It was so much fun. Because I got to actually pretend I was for for saw. Naturally. With Mike Lampy and like you have experience. It goes to say I've got to be. Being. Seeing whereas. The Breeze moments rich billy ever have any encounters with van Halen the the closest thing I had was A friend of mine's girlfriend and her friend met Michael Anthony and the elevator straight in my house to let me know and. Food General though was. All he kissed his and you know he gave us this and he told us he's going to get us back stage and Blah? I was the most jealous person in the world that I wasn't fair. That's cyber came really wanted to be. Eddie. So bad and never got any of them. So but that's my only encounter right? Rich Week we met him one. We met we met Mike Lengthy at Phnom. That's exactly right. That's not fair. Yes. We did it his daughter with him and he was just a nice super nice. Oh wait what the only guy ever met was like Lance and I remember excited I was he like you guys were saying such an understated. I would actually talk to you like you know whatever uncomfortable the everybody gives was Anthony and he would ask you questions like. I think he's talking to you and you better answer elect. People talking about yesterday Mr Michael Anthony. Remember on the first Jericho cruise. One of the guys who is the tax. one of the texts was was a friend of Michael and actually said Aga- eight. I got a message from my glassy congratulations on the cruise and. And you know hope hope to see a soon or really like really knows why ams fuck as excited for you. It was like. Either the guy was making it up. But why would you makeup that Michael Anthony gave a message like you would go for David Lee Roth or? L.. Robert or something. What a what a cool guy to send along the message. From somebody met for thirty seconds you know at the NAMM. Show. But Steve you've got a lot of great I mean you've played it for me before and and I'd love to to maybe incorporate if you want me to. But Steve has a great voice message from Eddie Van Halen on his on his phone you had a relationship with that east how did that start and tell us about it? Yeah. Well, it goes like this you know. Be careful. You know when I was a kid they always say I used to hear the saying be careful when you meet your heroes. If you get years because they'll probably let you down and all I can say is I met Eddie van, Halen January of Nineteen ninety-one. Show out in California he was doing a private show with Steve Morse and Albert Lee when he was doing launched his new guitar line with Music Man and I met his guitar again like I said his best friend Guitar Tech Back in time this Guy Math Brooke became like a brother to me and a dear dear friend and he was from Philly new trickster was number one on MTV we were. Kicking ass at that point and goes, hey man I want you to come I. Know You huge Edge Fan I. Want you to meet them. We're doing this thing at the Marriott. So he brings me in and I'm standing on stage and I remember looking at these the prototype of the peavey fifty, one fifty and he had a soul dino amp and I'm like holy Shit and all of a sudden ed comes walking and he's wearing glasses I have a picture of it. And there's pictures of that night and he comes walking in for sound check and I'm sitting in my heart's Racin. There he is. You know and he walks up and I was immediately struck. He introduced himself to everybody every crew guy the monitor guy and he said Hey I'm ed I'm Ed and. The near matter standing there he comes up. Tonight. Matt Goes. Hey. I want you to me. I want you to meet Steve He's in the span trickster and they're doing really well and He has that look and he goes he goes trickster. He goes you guys. You guys got those cool video you're riding dirt bikes. Valerie saw and I'm like dude, what what an intro? Just incredible and he was so warm and I just WANNA say for everybody that's never met him that I told the guys before this. If he was on this podcast with us right now, if he was still alive, he is just like us in the sense. He's a normal regular guy and forget that he's the most important rock and roll musician ever in my opinion but he's that guy and he was and he showed that to me and he was just so cool and he showed me the ampy's I command. Let me show you this. And then you know, and that's how the relationship started and then. In March. Of Nineteen ninety-one tricks to recommend gold and after taking care of my family and whatnot my first order business was the send my hero and the guy gave me the inspiration and everything every drive that I had to do. This was Eddie van Halen I sent them a gold record out rehearsals they were. For. The fuck tour for their. On knowledge I sent about a gold record and I wrote this. Letter and not really long but a postcard, and at the end of it said without you and your music I could never achieved any of this so fast forward. October ninety one we're backstage at the meadowlands they're playing two nights on the on the front off carnal knowledge to our alison chains opening up. I'm in his dressing room tuning room and we're talking any and he grabs me go Steve Kerr goes I wanted to thank you never got thank you for the gold record. He goes man yeah. The records cool and shit but he goes that no you wrote that meant the world to me and that just goes to show you and I could go on for hours about the experiences that I've had with him because it's incredible I have probably fifteen messages used to call my house to two o'clock in the morning and you know Steve Your home. You GotTa don't Ya and you know my wife does that would be out. She would go with like her sisters Van Halen shows in. Edward go where Steve Then Oh, he's gigging and so he'd call and leave messages. So luckily, I was able to save those but I'm just gonNA leave it with this again, the greatest most regular guy a family guy loved his family and his friends, and if you were on inside and the coolest thing they always said to me was Steve. Your family you know you never have to knock on the door he need tickets you call me. Chris I showed you plaque that I have way road out all of his phone numbers and he's got he's got the box. This is the because he added fifty one fifty at the old school answering machine with the tape and he goes you know make sure you always leave a message because that's what I listened to I always check the tape. But So. Again, between going to rehearsals go into the studio you know I was at fifty, one, fifty with map Brooke. The day we signed our renegotiation deal with MCI records. We got a million dollars right now with the law lawyer and my manager was sitting at the universal offices and I'm like man, this is pretty fucking cool. We renegotiate a million dollar deal and then Matt calls me and said, Hey, man, you want to come up to the studio and vow were on vacation but ed said it was cool to bring me up. So I got to go to fifty one fifty by myself. I drove my rent a car up and let me in and I got to hang out at fifty. One fifty played all the guitars, the Frankenstein the. Shark I haven't got some seed, the snake guitar and everything else you can imagine, and then it gets even cooler because then Mac os gotta go take care of the dogs he brings in the real. Ed's House and all my all man I gotta go to the bathroom and he goes Oh, just go over there. So I go into the bathroom to do my business and I'm sitting down I look over and see Valerie's chair from one day at a time you know the the wouldn't share with her. and. So it was just one of those days you match showed me the the racket ball court that he had in his house and the racket ball court. He had the bill that in the in studio. City House so he could get the coat. The vary hermit effort is the permit to build the studio or to keep the studio because there was. Some stuff where home studios really frowned upon so and it was just mind blowing and like I remember getting back to the hotel that night and call on my parents and my mother going. So Steve How was your day and are kind of just said, mom you wouldn't believe this if I told you I a million bucks to make a record and. Fifty one, fifty. And then. So this day ever yeah I mean it was it was again you know it was never eight years old discovering van Halen think you're going to be doing these things but I was blessed because of being around great people and great person that Ed van Halen is in math rock especially you know and so then fast forward we're finishing up the second tricks record here. We're fucking living like rockstars come off huge. I record. We're living in L. A. Nixon. The record and staying at the what what was it the which turned into what was the big hotel that's still there now, it's whatever we had rental. Rental mustangs and I get a call from. Matt. Ed's Malcolm House. He wants you to come play volleyball this thing where we play volleyball weekends on. Let me think about that. Yeah, I had A. I had a photo session later that day with William Haymes and. So we go out to the House and here it is on that Ed's Malibu. House, he comes walking up he's got a Gal visor on. He's got a cooler full of Beck's beer smoking a cigarette, and he comes over and he grabs he's like grabbing me grabbing my hair. All right. You longhairs ready to play volleyball and next thing I know I'm on the beach playing volleyball Valerie Bertinelli Wolfgang is about one and a half years old he's walking around and diaper vows mother-in-law Barbara. He's taken care him again it was like I can't I can't believe this is happening. And then we finished the game and then the next thing, I know me Ed or sitting up on his desk looking out at the Pacific Ocean Drinking Beck's beer smoking cigarettes I don't even smoke cigarettes but ED's like here. He just hands me a cigarette and lights it and I'm sitting here like this. He's next to me drinking a beer. I just went I can't fucking believe this and he goes me so Steve How's your record common? and. We just were shooting the shape and him and Alex Andy Johns they were working on the van Halen live record the summer one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two, they were doing that. So we're just going back and forth about making a record and it was again what I tell everybody that Ed Hill was just the nicest coolest guy and he never treated anybody below him I was just. Another musician, another guitar player, and we were talking about I was bitching about mastering that they mastered the single and it was too bright and he goes yeah my fucking hate that you know and it was like unbelievable and then after that, then I get I get i. hear this voice guys committed for lunch I made Turkey Chili. So Valerie brings us inside and she makes Turkey Chili with us. Eaten Turkey chillis Eddie Van Halen's house and you know in Valerie. Of course we know is now world famous chef and cookbook author and I always tell her a couple of times afterwards I always told her I said I told my wife about you making Turkey Chilli and you know we still every time. So every time I eat chili or Turkey Chili I, think that moment but there were so many times like that and he was just such Again, it was that thing of being on the inside map Brooke Adam River, myself and you know other guys and Van Halen's production manager at the time during the late eighties early nineties, this Guy Frank. Stettler who grew up in my town. My father was his English teacher in high school along with another guy, you guys might have heard of Howard on the lighter who was rushes tore manager years Howard undelighted live three houses away from my grandparents. So. It's just you know the whole van Halen thing was kind of like you know when you think about fate where you're going to meet somebody and then become friends with them and then fast forward to I'll ended on this because I could go on and on for hours but even at Ed's worst, let's say on that two thousand four and I was at a lot of the shows and my wife and I and I would be in the tuning room with them. Even at his worst, there were moments where the old and in the happy guy, he would just snap out of it and we would do like the joke. You know where we do this thing where I do the Sammy Davis Junior you know he signed a guitar meaning row. ouch pain and that was our thing we love hey, man you're activity cat and I dig you man. Out Out Tell and we would do that back and forth Steve Lucas there to man you know the Sammy Davis thing but there are always moments even at his worst he still had a heart he was just tortured and then later on the last. On two thousand fifteen tour Greek picture I have with him and that was right when I got back from doing another set of DEF LEPPARD dates and He just got it sound check and he came right over to me. He gave me a big hug and kiss and he said Steve, so proud of you man match showed me the pictures from Wembley played deaf when we stayed with DEF Leppard he sent me one of his that Qatar Museum his one of his guitars because they couldn't make me want in time like the. Les Paul, style that I have back there. He set me one of his and I used to his actual guitars for those first round and DEF leppard shows and. That was the last time I actually really hung with them, and then when I did the the last the last shows with Leopard in two thousand, eighteen when I filled in fulfill Matt sent me a message to send him a picture of me playing the Wolfgang with Van Halen. And he was just so happy you know that I was finally I mean, of course under terrible circumstances but saving the day for DEF. Leppard, playing his guitar playing those iconic Solo and it was just really cool. But at the end of the day, at Van, Halen loved his family. He loved his friends and he loved his son Wolfgang more than anything in the world and that's the true test of a great man how she love your kids in your family. You're right. Stephen once again like create hearing all these stories and there's one more one asked him before we get there I got a couple more questions that I want to ask the panel shall we speak? What do you think? The lasting legacy of Edward Van Halen is going to be and I want to start with this because once again, I did the DJ. Set. Unserious. And I'm really glad they asked me because I went I went rogue dude because I'm I'm one of those guys that when I'm a fan of band. I'm not I'm a fan of everything I love blaze Bayley. Iron Maiden. I. Love Friggin. You know you name it whatever it is I'm in and so. When you're talking about Van Halen. Here's the song to me. That changed everything for the band and it changed music as we know it. beat. Michael Jackson Calls Eddie to play the Guitar Solo Eighty doesn't think it's real. You guys are the story cuisine who Quincy Jones F. off shows up plays the Solo A and also be changes the rhythm for the Guitar Solo background they just wanted into solo over out now now now because there's nothing to do so he changed it ban out now ban out now. Whatever whatever the rhythms chains it all and did it for free didn't get credit but here's what he did. That's what Eddie a amalgamated and Michael to Michael Jackson as well. Michael Jackson, and then he'll amalgamated hard rock and pop music for the first time ever, and now every pot music superstar. Thrown any pink. Miley Cyrus frigging Justin Bieber you give it to me they've all got a shredder on guitar rap. Garth Brooks whoever that was the first Brianna has a noon on guitar nearly up. He was the first guy with Michael to create this vibe of we can combine these two. priors this never was allowed to do this, and that's an Eddie Van Hill went from being the guitar player of Van to an iconic pop culture figure and I think Eddie changed so much guitar players. We talked earlier but Van Halen being the of Party rock is but I think that the lasting impression is that he changed pop music as well. And did it for free? So. That's my it. Once again, what a visionary what amazing guided to to be involved with all these things billy. What's the lasting impression that you think Eddie has on pop culture for the rest of time okay. Let's see to me in his style of playing It would be the fact that like okay back then everybody was a as far as musicians and everybody was doing blues licks and you know and and all that. But he brought India the two hand tapping thank for guitar. Okay. Point and that's one thing that he took to the next level is like adding another thing on the fret. Board with your Right, hand other than you know what I'm saying adding those extra notes doing in key and doing him with effects likes phase and Flynn's like nobody's done before, and that's me would be like that's his like his defining thing is the two hand tapping thing is is like that's the climax of eruption two hand tapping thing so that to me is what? If that makes any sense. That that would be my answer for for that right there Steve would think well, the music of course you know we wouldn't be here talking about at Van Halen if it wasn't for the song. So again, what what rich said about being the greatest rhythm player in the Rock Rhythm player I fully agree with that and even better than his lead playing. because. He wrote those songs and songs are everything and that's something that for all kids out there listening to and especially in this day and age of all these shred guitar players man slow down a little bit and work on writing songs because that's when you really GonNa make the biggest impact and advantage hill and look just like what you said Chris. Look at one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three when he did beat in solar and then what came after that? What came after jump if jump is in a complete game changer for Pop Music Rock Music, everything in the world, leave it to Eddie van Halen to completely change it all and change everything you know off playing on an over to over Heim Keyboard. So I think for me look the guitar playing the gear, the innovations, all that is huge and it's just incredible bought. It goes back to the song and I know speaking hanging with him talking about songs and he would always tell me that he would be like you know because he off everything just man that's just go did that. And he he most important with songwriting for him because he knew that he got that early on and I got we got gotta give a shout out here. One Guy Who I. Don't think we would also be having this conversation if it wasn't for Ted. Temple. And not only for signing van Halen and signing van Halen because of the brilliance that he saw in Edward Van Halen but he was the one person who heard ed warming up. And said, what is that? We need to record that told John Landy was stop what we're doing put up another Mike do whatever we need to, and we need to record this and they recorded that in two takes in Ed. Still. Till the day pass still maintains that he made a mistake in there and he always always interruption. Eruption he recorded eruption Ted temperament was the man responsible for that and so again, those moments but. For me, the defining moment of Van Halen is just the songs and the catalog that goes from Van Halen one all the way to the end because even on different kind of truth, even some of the song that weren't the seventy, six, seventy, seven demos, the newer stuff that they wrote there were still some great songs on there. So from beginning to end, it was really great music and great memorable songs that will have. Live degree Satchel which you thoughts buddy. The songs damn. Says the time there's no doubt about it but I think. Lacey I mean we live in an age our people have devalued songs and use it in generals to the point where you know people want everything for free and that's going to have a lasting effect on on where music goes I mean I know anybody's going to be writing songs twenty years from now yeah. There's just No reason to write songs anymore and because of that. You know there's no way to get on radio anymore. Earl that Dan has gone. At, we're not looking at that. So the era of recorded music lasted about fifty years I don't know. and. It's done like all great bands. All great artists are going to be from that period and like thousand years from now. After like source nuclear war when people Change through. Time to read where there was a quarter music and served listener to all that that'll be like eighty hangar was not just right at the peop- I. think that time period around the eighties was there's so many great songs being written and then he'll. Certainly right at the top but also his, it was a time when bands laid together deep. You know creating its Garriga ruminate jams and they wrote things and there was bouncing ideas off musicians and even now like so much of it is you know virtual instruments, An- and so much of it can be done on your own ear unreal and then he was the pinnacle of bands playing together and writing songs together and the being a great player backwards, and he was the top. Like beat that was. was notion. The nineties game, and then it was like shame involved of being a great player but. then. I. WanNa be. Great be. I can be a restaurant like Ben here. He was the top of the game for his instrument there nobody better and for virtually any instrument it was he was the pinnacle. and. I don't know why kids started to think there was. I think people get now that it was never not cool to be an amazing player at the table to to creating with other musicians that was dependent Koran at people. Look back at that time dirty go that was not just. One of the greatest periods of music because recite recorded music and people valued music back then but eighty been here and They were they were ranked top as well. Said Russia. Would you think rich and his legacy? Is that without him? I don't think today looks the same way and I think that's you know there's there's these moments where you have this advancement liked the evolution cut skips the Saigal kind of thing because if you look before Eddie it, you know it was it was Clapton and page and you know and ace really at and those guys are absolute. But what I did was almost like you would do a wormhole and you just get some time something happened and there was such an. Evolution forward I think piggybacking what Satchel said I think the reason the eighties was still magical and the reason why there was such a this incredible movement of people wanting to its our whiz precisely because of Ed because Ed was the guy who is that they call what the seventy-nine club right like all of those guys that kind of but he was the Guy Right he's the first guy and then you had it wasn't for Ed Wood there have been arraigned you roads would there have been a Jackie Lee would there have been All the guys I mean. Really he was the the new foundation. The same way that Hendrix was the guy that was the spark that kicked off that entire being, and that's why I'm a huge fan of of of all of those guys in the obviously George Lynch beat O'Brien and all these incredible guys they came out of that air. But I, I even think no Eddie knowing base even they didn't play right? You didn't matter. It was accused the spark he he was the guy that our in the Michael Schenker shirt and Hello Michael Schenker. But he he was from a different era like he he just what he was doing may have influenced any any may have liked that. was able to do was just transform Clapton and and these guys that came before him into something that was so unique and so special that you can actually build the foundation for an entire genre on it whereas a guy like. Jimmy Page one love and how many Zeppelin tight bands came after that. Four or five zero example was the greatest. You didn't build a movement of it like the entire decade was built on the back of any van Halen and is vision and I don't think any of us, and then you can say, well, what about that modern heavy metal would you? I can name all the guys that like in the modern heavy metal genre with a dime bags probably the king of that mountain and and and he was his guys it. All really. Started I. think she was the genesis of all of it so and it wasn't because he was just a player, but it was the songs it was the sound of his guitar. It was the excitement that he generated through his stage performance. It was everything he he did have any weaknesses. You couldn't say like like as freely looks great has got smoke bombs, but sometimes, he didn't play so great or you know they had to pull Bob Julich into Blade L.. Not, rendered. Like a godless saw Julich Zoo man he passed away the. Exact right. But that's the thing about is you so many great guys that you there's always caveats right? There's any van Halen does not happen asterik there's no caveats. There's no us the greatest fighter of all time except for that one time to got his ass kicked by junior Johnson and a third round adjust. It was never he was the best imagine his legacy. This conversation was that I. don't even know if these guys you were sitting here talking if we would even be doing this and if we did, what would we sound like is it certainly would be what we sound like now. Yeah. Definitely. Wouldn't that's great rich. That's that's the soil said I'll say this to. Get more one more question but I. I actually rumors received too. I remember seeing Van Halen like I said I missed the whole thing until the Sharon who are then when they reunited in two thousand and seven was it was and I saw them twice and if you guys remember the first. Two weeks they did the tour and then they just stop gazetting. Fell back off the wagon whenever but the first night that I saw them I'm saying two thousand and seven I could be wrong the first night I saw them I remember was in Indianapolis I flew there myself on my own just to see fucking van Halen. And I remember watching going. Again he's the greatest guitar player of all time that night on that. To seven. There was none better because he was on and he was. Hot and he was Rockin and dude. I can actually say I saw the brilliant genius of Eddie Van Halen not just what people were telling me or what the the VIBE is. He was the greatest deter player in the world that I've ever seen. We've seen a couple of others but that night, there's nothing better Steve I gotta ask you a question before asked my lot. My last question is going to be guessing what's your favorite van Halen Solo of all time but before We get to that Steve a great video of you. I'm assuming it was pre- trickster pre anything where you literally jumped on stage at Madison, Square Garden Grabbed Eddie's guitar and played a fucking Solo and Russ doesn't believe it but it's true because you sent me the video what the Fuck Dude this story how did that happen? What did you do? Well yeah, it was tricks. There was nineteen eighty was on the Oh, you ain't onto tour and Then our one of our managers at the time was the ticket scalper. Damone and so we got US row tickets and Gala at the garden it was like a late birthday present or you know, I don't know what it was but we were there and it was just magical man and I was watching the show pretty much with my foot on the barrier you know that. We were standing our chats. When you stand on your chairs, you know still do those things I was standing on my chair foot on and the show's going on and so I'm there with PJ and Pete Goss my buddy Jim who died last year God rest bless. You know. Jim Chris and. Air and it was just fucking the best I mean. Literally Eddie, Van Halen just like when you were at the House of Blues, he's right there in front of me I mean right there I'm watching him and so. They get into like I think they do ain't talk him out love and the next thing I knew I see gusts are drummer when he was skinning, he jumps up on stage and he jumped runs right up to Alex's Kit and he starts banging on the symbols we're like holy shish. Get his ask him BUBBA and Eddie's Tech Zeke Clark at the time came out and grab gus and walked off stage like didn't beat him up next gus is back with us. We're like what the hell happened like Oh, they didn't do anything. Let me go back to my seat. So all of sudden my mind's racing me I'm like dude, it's now or never. Been I've always been one of those guys where like you gotta live for the day like might as well join. That life I lived that was my attitude. With starting trickster and all these things that we used to do glut. Here it is. So they launched rock and roll at the end of the show and I'm like this. This is my chance the end of the show, my buddy gyms like you gotta do you gotTa do it and PJ's next to them. You gotta go now and then he goes he goes you're going now and he pushed me and all the guys. and. The next thing I know and you see it in the video dude on right up on stage and I walked right up I run right up to Eddie. Let me play your guitar goes he lifts his hands up and I reach around and I do you guys you guys know the Lake I do this I do. and. Then Sammy and I remember watching out of the corner of my eye that Mike Sami came over and it was coolest Shit and they let me finish and Z. came and grabbed me, and then that was it and they let me out and they you know and that was it and the coolest part about it was Sammy heard what I was playing because Ed's guitar up on stage like one hundred thirty decimals haven't been on stage here. On the video and my Buddy Jim God rest his soul always said this to me right after we got out of the show they were waiting for me outside and he said, Sammy, said that's one bad mo fo he said you're one. And he kept saying that but I never heard that. So it wasn't until and Satchel Russ you might. Show Lester I was on another show and he's the one who found the video because the guy who's filmed it posted the show years ago but he didn't post the whole show and so joe, doing the show and he goes video it's up we found it. So thirty something years later, we finally got that photogenic fast forward to that day when I told you that I egg told me how happy was about the letter that I wrote them with the gold record and said the Sami San this is the kid who jumped up on stage at the garden a couple years ago was playing my guitar and Santa Does. The sits you know that thing like son of a bitch. That was you. Cracking up about it. So yeah. So that was it. Yeah. So technically you know and I've updated my my bio that shared the stage with. Van Halen kiss the. Scorpions. For you know but yeah. Dude you guys haven't seen he got to go find it. posted. A link to the to the eighth grade Steve lychees jumps on stage and plays guitar, and once again, the fact that Eddie let you do that and they did beat you up or whatever show just the cool atmosphere of of of Van Halen. If you try to Fauzi show, you will be beaten. Dominant Billy would you favorites solo from Edward Van Halen I go ahead and say they're so many of them but one that really got me. I, gotTa say his own fair warning it's It's hear about it later it's be you know of the be tracks deep cut but the solo in that song with the wet storage with rhythmic double stops as we say, and guitar and all the to. Hand stuff that goes on and tones I'm GonNa say hear about it later funny that you guys have listen to Van Halen live job dome, which sadly was their official last release from two thousand fifteen. They play here about it later on that and I was like I was just like the other day I was like I. Really they played here about later it's so good bound bound Boban. Found on very rectal stuff and once again when we're doing We do you really got me in Fosse's VIP, set where we play an extra set for VIP members and rich and I. Atar. Solo in really got me every time. You're van Halen Guy Billy so Much Fun thank you Steve What's your favorite Solos from from Edward Van Halen. Well again too many to list of course of course of course. That's the obvious but I'm GONNA I'm GonNa go a little I'm going to go probably unexpected here. On an emotional level and I think it just encapsulates the meanness and the rawness and total attitude and strength of Ed van. Halen is the Solo van Halen to your no. Good. Wow. In. That Solo. She just has. It's like a monster movie. And Rock and roll all in one ED's guitar screams growls cries every emotion and everything and I. Think it is probably one of the perfect how an emotion in a guitar solo fits the song perfectly that brooding scary 'cause I remember hearing that song and it kind of scared me. Here and it's like they were so dark in that Solo it's still to this day and I know Ted Temple men talks about it in his book, and he said that that's one of his favorite solos to just something about it. It really makes talking without my shaved arm Harry's Standing Upright and If you guys haven't read anybody listening having read the ten Ted. autobiography you really should. It's really great talking about his whole connection with van. Halen Algo natch. I always go on the one I'm the one to me still. Staffing on my Dick Nolan. Five But I'm sure there's millions but you might even agree with you I apologize for stepping down but one even came out in nineteen seventy eight. is still the most angry aggressive boogie happiest. sexiest. fucking amalgamation with do obstacles what What the Hell is this I remember when I was fourteen years old after the brilliance of kid four came out. Then I went back I I had I had the the the great moment when you discover a band and then you get to go to the back catalogue and I bought myself a Christmas present in nineteen, eighty five maybe which was the cassette of Van Hill in one because my parents you can't get any presents I'm like. Well, fuck it I have A. Paper route. I'm going to buy my own self and I put it in a wrapping paper and I just stick it up. The RASA Kaye you said I couldn't get it only a president who was must be Santa No. It's me and I remember just listen to the whole albums bruin but that one even like I go back again to the Van Hill at the Tokyo. Dome did you guys haven't heard it please give it a shot because it's raw Ross vocals out of tune. But they're always tune stably roth. It's still amazing. But let me get one past that. To me need the ultimate farewell to Eddie Van Halen? Is a song of different kind of truth is called stay frosty. and Ross. Point of that was. Stay. Cool. Man Be Cool. Everything's cool. It's always cool and if you listen to that song listen to the lyrics and where we are right now with Eddie's each passing. It's like, wow, like stay frosty anti like I. Just like that I'd like stayed cross demand. Thank you for everything and if you stay across the in the afterlife, I'll stay frosty down here. But listen that song starts it almost as a country jam and then it goes to it's like the bastard son of ice cream man and the solo stay frosty if you're a van Halen fan have not heard that goes into it now because it will fuck knock your block off. So, there you go. Ross baby you know what? It's hard. It's hard to choose because there there. I. Think, is a bad Ben Hills, all of their amazing. You're no good is a great choice. It's amazing Solo I think you know being in Daniel Jimmy bad there. This the Solo for. So this is love not not was. Amazing. It. was. defeated. And? Listened they're all great but that one you know. Has All little cheesy cool things that he ever did and. His. His phrasing was always so musical, you know it wasn't just tapping was just playing fast and all the things he can do great. It was the way he did it because his timing and his phrasing was always as musicals can be was like each is trying to. he wasn't at. James something up to play fast and any data Beautiful Musical Solo. why goes but that's one of favorites too sure. Rich anybody yet. I. I'm going to go ahead and just declare on the one the winner because when it guitar player and lead singer both agree that of the entire catalogue and for me, that's the no brainer for me just because like you said it's so pissed off but it's so melodic and has all the it's like he comes out of the gate with that little thing we're slightly. Wills at just and then it's and then he has. Melodic things. A beautifully put together. So but like Russ pointed out I, it sounds like it's improvise like he could've could've looked at solar together and organized working it out. But that's like you said, that's the beauty of his plane was everything just felt like he was in a moments and it was just like electricity Again. Like you said, you said a was the one that James did it was obviously you have to give it eruption and just because it. It was the one that made so many our players want to play. You know the same way that I guess the drum fills in Tom. Sawyer is our generation like you know what's the famous but yeah but I was you, Chris? Oh. But don't ever ask me to play is it's A. Guy The fucking Best Rhythm Guitar, player play with my life but I like that you said that Eddie and flew soon that. One last thing was. Hey something just say something real quick I. Say again I believe you're gonNA play. US. Out Steve You'RE GONNA, play us out just no. So go ahead. Right you got your fucking. You charge you. WanNa, play some shit. You'RE GONNA play us out before you do hold on give us your last comment I just want to give us Satchel and Mike Ralph and The atomic punks, props because Ross I think you remember years ago I was working on record I came to see you guys and so on. The one is as every guitar player knows to play that song right and to play good it's the hardest song and the Solo is not the hardest part. It's the intro lip that one lick that people do fill. Video about it and that kid from Canada Jacob the rops he's one of the only people that is the hardest thing to play and I will say Russ Sacha whatever your name is today don't call. Don't call in late for dinner and can I borrow your with? Back. Again, there was no better still to this day in my opinion, the greatest van, Halen tribute band ever and Russ played this stuff as close as far as I'm concerned to anybody but he could play that song in particular as good as I've ever seen. So props dude. Cedar and I will say that that's one of the songs that I think in capsule. It's got all of any matt here and they're like, yes, he's. Playing the amazing lead guitar is you're GONNA find. A some encapsulates how Beijing. That's the what yet that. Rip Back. I. It's I mean it's yeah I mean it's level. Scott. and. and No overdubbed still punching read some Lake Sir within the rhythm sections and he's just on the whole bands on fire just rich. You literally latch it's it's incredible. That's what I that. That's the greatest example. The Great Boogie Rock Band Boogie rock band is I don't even know what book is I just know that fucking song kick. My. fucking. It's chef. Yes. He's a shovel and I'll say one last thing was Steve's GonNa play us out. So come up with some shit I'm not gonNA play you Al Place. Something plug. Man Dominant knocks you out soon. So you'd better be quietly shit. Would jump. You at Billy. Function. Even. Better. When I first heard jump on rock and Roll Radio and Winnipeg I thought it was Pete Townsend because to me it sounded like a rough buys banff then in the now but I will say this don't ever underestimate the guitar solo from jump everyone talks. Them that Guitar Solo in that Song I watched it three times US night that's a mother fucker man and that's where I was like Eddie van. Halen nee just Dang. Just pissing us off. You're already the greatest fucking guitar player and the greatest songwriter playing keyboards. Justin Casey forgets. Now. We're GONNA. Put this solo in which is one of the best ever so Steve you don't have to. Plug in and it was guys. Thank you so much I hope here's the thing when we did this with Mike and Charlie after Neil passed away, the professor out this. gave us some what's the word? NOT CLARITY BUT CLOSURE CLOSURE YEAH. You will never have closure about the passing of Edward. Van Halen. But it sure was great to talk with a bunch of brothers that all appreciated his his experience in his influence and thank you guys, I feel better now a little bit better. Thank you. Thank you for having US Chris. Richard Rare right there. Baby Ha. Concert No, I got this at NAM for free. This has no sentimental value other that it has his name on it and it's on my desk. Right next to my day Murray pick. because. I don't WanNa end this right now but we got like a minute favorite van Halen Song ever done the head hotter teachers mind. Seve unchained. Billy. I'm right there with Steve Man unchained but I'm there I'm there. What if I'd say that you can't take that one just sort of been chosen. Now going talking about love I looked. Yup Rich. All Day all it's it is it is ailing. Can't predict when somebody go with girls That so good and I love it. Chris Chris. You gotTA. Give a shout out whose birthday is today besides David Lee. Roth is David. Lee Roth Birthday today is my boss Tony. Kahn's today but it's also Eric Martin's birthday today. This but if you are doing. I. Love You guys. Thank you so much and God bless that Van Halen fucking best of all time. Thanks. Edward thanks man. You guys. Thank you guys are all great except for Reuss. peaky.

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The Story Song Podcast: Scenes from an Italian Restaurant by Billy Joel

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The Story Song Podcast: Scenes from an Italian Restaurant by Billy Joel

"Pain and beauty rebellion and unity nose and harmony celebrate the history of music with the rock and roll hall of fame twenty twenty inductions honoring depeche mode. The doobie brothers. Whitney houston nine inch nails. The notorious b. I g and t rex streaming november seventh on. Hbo max head. Over to pantheon podcasts. Dot com backslash. Survey dil out a few quick questions and be entered to win one of thirty limited edition. Hbo rock and roll hall of fame. Induction ceremony posters or one of thirty doobie. Brothers live from the beacon theater. Blu ray sets and tune in on november seven to be a witness to history the rock and roll hall of fame november seventh only on. Hbo max to be honest. I had my heart set on chinese food this week on the story. Song podcast skirt. Hey everybody welcome back to. The story sunk podcast. I'm dan mcenery. Luke's and i'm michael. Because they'll ever so we walk you through a story song and this week. We're doing scenes from talion restaurant by billy joel. Little artists yankel artists small limit. Also just just a sign. That's just like random snippets of of audio that he he recorded in an italian restaurant. Very avangard mental You know and that's that's and that's what he was known for us. So billy joel has known for it was really out there. Experimental kind of stuff The you know the downtown. Like andy warhol cr shore. So you know. And that's i mean that's sometimes we like to get experimental show. Well this is from his His sound effects album where just scott scenes from the street grains from haunted mansion scenes from the dmv. That one is not used a lot in community theater. No kidding sees retire restaurant by billy joel and i'm going to let me tell you the story he's So the song has three parts in the first part. We asked if you will sure while we'll get there we're gonna talk about whether or not these these are connected. Are they three acts. are they. Three separate stories linked thematically. There's a lot to go. Are they three accent a play or are they three one act plays yes exactly So we'll either way there's three parts and in the first one. Someone has invited an old friend at dinner at an italian restaurant and the second part to friends catch up That we only hear one side of the conversation and in the third and much longer section we hear. The story of brendan eddie. Who are high. Suites are high school sweethearts. Who mary right out of high school have a rocky marriage and then quickly divorce and then the first part is reprised As the france hints. They should meet again. And then the song dance so lovely. It's my version. Was not nearly as nice as billy joel. So don't worry you'll hear that later. Actually it's word for word. We don't even have short song it. The song is in three parts. The first part is read as well as on card. Baden white bottle read staff This all you. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do a rare thing here. Okay i'm gonna. I'm gonna look down from the ten thousand foot view. Okay and ask you guys a question in your opinion. I know you've heard this many times in your opinion. Are these three sections acts if you will. Are they related. Let's start there. Are they related. I think yes okay. I think they are all related. Yes okay michael your opinion. Well dan. i'm glad you asked that question on. Thank you. I i wanna thank you both for being here A lot of people are asking this. And i think that You know there are two valid answers. Yes they are related and you know they are not two minutes. Senator um yeah so you think about and You know thank you the listener for the listener. Michael will be testifying before congress next month that he's practicing giving non-response decorations talion restaurant. Congressional hearing sure what's known as seat for the talian restaurant gate consuming dc. I think. I mean honestly. I do think that arguments made for both but i do think that they are related. Well now my question is okay. You just ask the question. So i think we're in agreement that the parts are at least related right. Are the people having the conversations in the first two parts. Is that brendan eddie. Different people. now my answer to that is absolutely not okay. I think totally different people. I think classmates of brenda and eddie. I tend to agree with that. Yes all right good. Well this is. Maybe we should investors persons at the end. I wanted to everything. Why because i think that colors. The interpretation of what's happening right in these days. Because i think a lot of people do potentially think that the person who saying bottle of white bottle of red is eddie right. Trying to with brenda right. Like it's almost like Yeah that that they're meeting again in this tiny restaurant because there is a hint that these people have a relationship right or had a relationship right most likely romantic so And that's over now. So it's that's the question of. Is it brendan eddie or is it to other people who then tell the story of brendan eddie which will get you if that is true. It's a little weird but we'll we'll get there and a little bit Or are these again. Are these scenes from an italian restaurant. This is one table where people are getting together. There's another table whereas people are getting together and then there's a third table where someone is telling the story of brendan at so. That's why i was asking are they. Related are are. Are these all the same people are. They literally brendan eddie. Or is it supposed to be like. You're you're catching snippets of conversation in mean true. Then you know if it is all one story. Why would not just called scene from an italian restaurant But i i mean i have my. I have my reasons for that too. But it's it has nothing to do with whether they're related or not. Okay well. I'm sure we'll get into it more as we go through. But let's now start here at the top and we're not done No no michael. We've only just begun. I'm sorry run song so it starts. We hear a bottle white. A bottle read perhaps a bottle of rosa. Instead we're gonna table the street in a row familiar place you and i face to face. So the first thing i'll say is when someone says bottle of white buffalo read What you say is a bottle. Wipe out the red perhaps ego. Why not all three. And then you'll laugh just a little too hard yes. I'm not an alcoholic. But what have we got like a lot of wine during this during this this what about that. What are we just. Mix it all together and just drank it. Because i really don't care. I met rock bottom right that allowed also just to show you how ahead of his time. Billy joel is and i really do as a singer songwriter. I think he is Especially with a song like this. I don't think most people. I think people like discovered rosa like two years ago like all of a sudden. Everyone's drinking rosa. And this is hundred. Seventy seven billy. Joel's like rose as going to be a thing mike. I also feel like go ahead. Say i'd feel more that way. Michael if he said perhaps about of of frozen say instead of beloved they're frozen roseanne. That is that a thing. Oh my gosh was a huge thing. Couple of years ago. Everybody was walking around. Have you had the frozen. They've really good frozen and stop talking. Look i wanna be clear about what they froze. Aa taste horrible. By but i've frozen right you can't you can't beat in. The marketing speaks for itself. How does like 'cause that's like frozen and then rose it's frozen again. I mean it tastes like a nightmare. You want to spit it out. But you just can't i. I love a good pun. So i'm just gonna drink all of it. I can't it's like somebody forgot to clean out the slurpee machine but it's just say i mean but isn't wine like people who are like really into wind. Isn't it like fashion. You know what i mean. We're like every five years by the way now we're into brown. They act like they never thought brown before they started. I've my point is. Is this a cycle. You're talking about in terms of like color of whatever round wine. No no no. I'm saying like for club. Like for scotch right because because they'll be like you know. I mean literally know so little about fashion. These examples are probably gonna be bad but they'll be like hat's are back and it's like people have been wearing hats for a long time. It's not act like we just discovered hats. All of a sudden yeah. Does anyone still wear a hat. Thank you thank you so much. we're like fifty episodes. I wanted so desperately to quote. And i finally did it but i mean look for everyone again listening at home to keep you up to date like michael. He's a fashion plate. I mean he's a clothes horse. This guy you can't beat him. He's always up on every fashion trend. That's going on and it always looks like a million bucks so me. Honest wear tuxedo everywhere. Absolutely you know me. I'm just a regular schlub. You know who likes baseball and baseball caps and like you know khaki shorts and we gotta live together and guys. We are an odd couple. I mean michael is constantly picking up by smelly cigars with his umbrella like a daily occurrence. So anyway we're we're talking about Wine oh oh right. The first four lines of very months on red bottle whites bands. Bongo died won't retire own. Italian restaurant good for them de entrepreneurs not great perhaps in two thousand twenty. The restaurant business might be you know not the best place to be right now but i feel like these guys could stick it out you anytime you want. Yeah we opened at ten o'clock. I gotta be there lunch rush. Starting at noon got to be there. Wipe wiping down the tables guy. Come on we have on italian restaurant. We gotta get we the go. This is our restaurant my restaurant. You be there when i'm there so now that's the first part and it's a phone call this first phone call. Oh you think so. It says you. We'll get a table near the street. Gnarled familiar place. You and i face to face so it's a phone call. I th all right to set up for the next part okay. So they're they're on the phone and then now the here's a question okay. These next people were talking. Are they the same people as the first part like physically. Is this the same guy. Who's talking or is this. Maybe like a different thing. I i mean. I between part one and part two yeah. Yes. 'cause the song definitely changes like the music changes right so i think you you could perhaps interpret that as a break and now we're seeing a different thing or is it now or is that musical break fast forward a time jump to them being in the restaurant. That's that's what i think it is. I think it's they're they're together and you know you're on the phone. It's a little more like you. Know the the anticipation of it. We're gonna have a bottle of red wine. It's going to be great. We'll go to old place. And then the music picks up because now it's the reality of i haven't seen you in forever and i have to keep conversation going. No and i think it's the same person doing maybe. That first part is in a phone call. Maybe it's like a letter more romantic that way. We're like it's going to be in town. I mean possibly okay. I buy that. I was gonna say it's a little a little hard to set up a dinner date via letter because several days would be passing between like actually. I can't do tuesday wednesday. Well obviously michael. But i'm saying you know clinton monday right but they're like hey tuesday doesn't work for me. Can we do wednesday. And then you get that letter on friday saying that tuesday was no good and you were sitting at the restaurant. I ate so many breadsticks job. Got a good s in the bath. Fees no nice app. All news veered this thing. This may be surprising to everyone listening right now but these people are sitting in italian restaurant. And here's the part that you may find shocking. The man is dominating the conversation because we never hear the women's side we only hear we only hear his side and what he says is what do we know that. It's definitely men. The woman well he. I mean yet. Well billy joel and seventy seven. It's billy joel. He also says got a new wife. Okay so i mean certainly not impossible that it's a woman but it feels like nine hundred seventy seven. That at least would have been an unusual thing to say so. I'm going to guess that. Yes that this is a man who speaks our if our narrator is billy william joel then Yes it's a man speaking also also. This is if the way this is going yet. It's a man speaking of like bright again. Nobody shot up. You just saying random stuff trying to puff yourself up. Okay relax but he also totally brags about how great everything going for him right now. So this reeks of a man. Yes michael do. We know that the person that he's with is someone that with whom he is romantically involved or was no no but i mean it definitely hints. I think pretty. I think so too. Okay but i mean we. I mean it's open to interpretation. That's what we've been talking about. But i think the whole premise. The show yeah. But i. But i think the yes because he says things are okay with me. These days got a new job. I got new office. Wife got good job. He's good office. But did i say you said new new office okay. Well he got a good job. In a good office got a new was. He could win the bat office in a new life. That's true he's got. He's got at least lost touch long ago. You lost weight. I didn't know you could ever look so nice after so much time. So here's why. I think that this is a man speaking to a woman. Michael this this feels like the most hetero normative conversation long like and the reason. I think that they were romantically involved is because he. This guy is like a broker like a stockbroker or something now. And he's you know this girl. This woman broke his heart. I think because he's talking about. Oh i got a good life. I got a job. Oh you must weight. I didn't know you could look so nice. L- he's not saying that his buddy to a woman. Yeah and yeah. I love know you could ever looked so nice after so much time for of all the. Yeah you lost weight. Fatso is a great You know a nice a nice nagging on his part But yeah like totally totally tackles loss. I would never my wildest dreams have imagined you can look so nice. Compare all this time because you're all right. I can write to this guy back leaning back miss chair. His legs are crossed. And he's got one arm on the table and he's lifting it up with every state statement and like knock it back down on the table. I picture him so clearly He's showing his business card tour having flashbacks josh. This is terrible. He's fixes his tie and looks down. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I'm doing great. Another round of rosa. Please anyway. You're gonna have a salad. keep that weight off anyway. Now i think. I think the one thing i should say i think the one thing that perhaps people can point to as the fact that this is eddie is got a new life right so i mean a weird way to say it but i mean we'll see obviously we're going to get there but brendan nettie were married and divorced so for him to say got a new white rise as was like i got married right if this is his first time or whatever so to say i got a new wife implies that he was married before right and then perhaps he is talking to his ex wife about how things have been going after all these years. Okay that's and i'm only. I'm only sound that saying it's like definitive anyway. I'm just saying. I think that might be something that people could point to as to why you would think that this is brenda. I could see that. I could definitely see that There's a reason later on that. I think that's not the case but But i can see people being wrong in that way. I could see that being a somebody takes right so then he says you remember those days hanging out at the village. Green engineer boots leather jackets and type. Gene o you drop a dime in the box. Play song about new orleans cold beer hot lights my sweet romantic teenage night Faulk give it is so yeah. Engineer boots leather jackets and tight. Blue jeans so billy joel invented skinny jeans. I as we're talking about fashion. He's he's bringing back rosa. He's bringing back skinny jeans. This guy is on is on the cutting edge and one thing. I couldn't figure out what you you drop a diamond. The box and play a song about new orleans. That feels to me like that's a reference to something but i couldn't figure out what song that's supposed to be because what i mean. What year is this that we're talking about. I mean could it be well. It's hard to say. Because i mean the other problem. Is that this song came out. When did it come out and seventy seven right. And this is the other problem with the timeline. Is that brendan get married. In the summer of seventy five so this this seems like it must be longer. Yeah right not just two years at most and then so brennan any get married and seventy five. I mean that's not. I mean the mid seventies obviously like. That's when pretty much when the song is coming out i mean brennan eddie will be you know. I mean. They didn't go to college but if they did. They would have been sophomores in college right at the time. The song is coming out. That at least whereas billy joel i i know he's in high school in the mid sixties. If not earlier right so i don't i don't know like again. I don't know what the timeline is. If we are to assume that these are classmates of brendan eddie. The timeline gets pretty wonky gear. Also but here's the thing i mean again. We'll get into it later but it doesn't say that brenda and eddie are in school when they get married or just out of school when they when they get married you know they know what maybe you're right because they are an invented. Well no no. I don't think invented it. I think it's a very you know it's it's not a long jump to go there. Because they do talk about them being with kings the prom. And but i do think that there might. It might be the type of thing where where it's like you know you've been going steady for eleven years. Lose something here. Well you know what led them. Let's women well. They also say about this. I mean my point was. I was honestly surprised that no one had tried to figure out what the song about new orleans was. It's anything i mean. It might just be like that was like a standard topic for a song in the sixties was a saga about new orleans house of the rising sun or something like that matches veggie the only thing i can think of right. I mean you've got the timing would work that would nineteen sixty four. I mean the only problem with that. That just is not that it's impossible. That doesn't feel like a song you dance to. You know what i mean like. I don't feel you turn on the house. Everybody let's do the twist or whatever it just. It doesn't seem like i a fun. Dancey hanging out the village green song. But maybe maybe maybe that's what is oregon. Maybe it's just more like a generic thing. I don't know i mean. I think the you know the obvious answer is that it's dixieland jazz. Because you know i mean on the village green in new york. I'll tell you on long island. Dixieland jazz was huge with the teachers in the early seventies late sixty s. Just something you can. You can swing a cat without insurance without us band cow without knocking a straw hat off these snack populace daddy's in the king mcqueen on top town on the radio. Nobody lose any of the parkway died balled and brendan eddie. Was still going steady. In the summer of seventy five. Now i want to say if if we're going to see better that he the king of the korea the problem if they are still going steady ten years later event. So you just the phrase going steady stephen weird really weird right like and also because everyone acts like they're rushing into this thing. You guys can't get married. It's like we've been going out for ten years either. We're going to get married or we're not gonna counts we're gonna you-know-what or get off the pot because we've been going steady quote unquote i've been pinned for a decade. We gotta do this. I mean it's also weird. Just an a meta level that like for a billy joel song that it's like they're going. They're still going steady in the summer of seventy five like you would think he would say sixty five right because he's thinking of his high school years right the fact that he's setting this contemporary in contemporary times. The song seems surprise. Think about it. I i. i actually think it makes it a little sadder or more complex if they've been going out for this long just because of the way the marriage works out right. That always like you have to be married. We don't wanna conform to your social norms societal norms and then it turns out. It's that's the worst thing for them. Well but the problem is is that they say they're getting married and everyone says they were crazy. Well that's true that's true. They're not no one's pressuring them to get married. Fiddly saying don't do this so i mean look i see. I have no evidence to prove otherwise. But it doesn't feel like they could going out for candy. I think they've got to be like a year out of high school at the very least right and you just crazy kids. We're forty four. Yeah maybe i'm trying to piece this together. Okay why are their string out. And i wanna point out that the parkway diner is a real place among island new york. Where billy joel grow up Grew up and any chance you've been there. I've driven past it. Yeah i don't know if it still exists. Actually i could be wrong be wrong. Don't don't this ball. But yeah i've been there again. I've driven past it and yeah so we'll tell you anybody who was like the big hit at the diner. That was a big deal. Oh yeah the cool couple in highschool who really pulled court at the diner that is that's long island royalty right there right there. Okay wait okay. You got it. I think no loss at just reread something. And no because they were they were together in high school right. I'm trying to think like if maybe there was a point that they weren't together and then they got back together. Yeah they were. They were still going steady. That's the thing they're still going. So maybe this is. I don't know i dunno. Look is i think we just doesn't accept the fact that doesn't add up you know doesn't add up. What can i tell you know what to say. But i mean billy joel could let us know. If he's like brendan real people. They dated for ten years then got married and it was a complete nightmare. Yeah and everybody at ten ten years. Everybody said you've you're still rushing into this. Well you live with your parents for little. I mean from from our point of view when we listen to the song. Obviously the summer of seventy five was a long time ago right so it wasn't until you actually break there. You start being like wait a minute when is when is this happening because i was like. Oh yes ninety seventy five as a long time ago but you know there is still a ten year gap right. That doesn't that doesn't add up or this is a song about the future. This is supposed to be his rocket man or something where it's six twenty seventy five. It's is no. I'm saying that. Oh i was like oh this oh sure they were going still going steady and seventy five but this this song itself takes place in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. So they're you know they were kids in high school. Okay oh i see you're saying that The people who are talking in the restaurant. It's it's nine hundred. Eighty seven the future time of nineteen eighty-seven. Okay okay. why just. I just wanted to say if you were saying that. You're twenty seventy five. I have no idea what the future is. Going to hold. Rachel but i knew no one thing for sure sears will not exist in fifty five years. Oh they've got a trick up their sleeve single also. We're sort of assuming yeah. They were going steady in high school and were King the queen of the prom right doesn't mean that it was a good relationship like where like. Oh once they get married. Everything's gonna be fine like they might have been popular at the diner but it could have been like a god brenton at ear here right. Well well i mean. I i disagree with you only because i think you're right in that they're a good couple for going out in high school and hang out the diner right. It's the moment any reality comes into it. That they immediately fall apart. That's right right But but okay so so. Brendan eddie with parv studies and the king of the queen of the prom running around the car. Top down on the radio on nobody looked any finer was more of a hit at the parkway diner. Now this is a good line. We never knew we could want more than that. Out of life and surely brendan natty would always know how to survive so from from the vantage point of the high school kids right first of all being the popular kids being the candidate in the prom and being ahead at the parkway diner. We never imagined we could want more than right that. That's that's all there was to life and then also obviously brendan eddie. Since they were the king and since they were the king the queen of the park diner they would always right. They're always gonna be okay. Yeah they've figured out near you gotta figure it out. There's no way that anybody could ever possibly go wrong for them right. And so i mean i just think that's the way well and i love the way that it's not like he doesn't he's not like hey by the way we were dumb kids like he leaves it for you to figure out what's going on. Yeah right Which is awesome and again. I i love the line. We never knew we want more than that out of life. I just think is a great line and it's so evocative and leave so much open to your point. It supports why they were doing great. Brenda nettie like once. There is more to life than that they fall apart. Well and it's and again and it's not just. It's not just everyone who's not ready. It's also brendan eddie. Who don't realize they could ever want more than that. A life right like where we're golden forever like nothing's ever gonna stop us like this this. We're just going to keep coasting forever and ever was still going steady in the summer recess defied. They decided the indian july crazy crazy. Pacific with the band's out when the money they just want to say i don't know who breaded his parents and family and friends are They may have many positive negative qualities but they are baru tilly honest with credit. Yeah because they decided the marriage at the end of july. Everyone said they were crazy. Brenda you know. You're much too lazy in any could never afford to live that kind of life but there. We were waving brendan and he could buy. Could you imagine going up to your to be like. Hey i'm getting married in july. Your friends like your way too lazy. Like how about this screw you lady. Does that sound. Oh sorry about let me just take back this wedding invitation real quick short in the guest list exactly and then also maybe don't open up that Will you be my maid of honor gift. I just picture the two of them. Like walking into the room. And like brenda's got her hands sticking out like looking showing off a ring like we're getting married and just your friends being like you're crazy. You're crazy. I like that idea. I like the vet. That bender's just just lazy and eddie could never afford to live that kind of life. What kind of life married life. What kind what do you need to afford. Like how i mean right now that you can't afford to live just with brenda friend is not going to work. I think that's the thing. I think that's i think she's. She's too lazy to work and has expensive tastes and eddie can't afford it. Right are nothing if nothing else. She's too lazy to work in. Eddie just can't afford to people can only afford self at the moment so goes but everybody does what what always winds up happening. They say no. This can be great. Never he goes like this all right. I got to make your own mistake where it just sent a wave goodbye to right. I mean i'm just going to go up to your face tell you're lazy you're a lazy piece of crap and then after that my hands are clean. There's nothing else i can do about it. As their as they're driving off to their honeymoon literally everybody at the wedding turns and says i give it like two weeks who has two weeks to god. This horrible wedding. Ted says weeks okay. Ted shore. he's the optimist head. And you see the camera shot right of the car pulling away and everyone's waving right and then the camera turns around. You see the back of the car and on the back of says she's too lazy so okay so there were waving. Brendan eddie goodbye. Now this this this what. I what is where the song starts rocking this cooking. But when they're waving brendan goodbye. That's that thing in movies. Where the bride and groom like leave in the middle of their wedding. Can i ask an honest question. Yes did that used to happen. I think so people would write to their honeymoon. So is the idea of a wedding reception kind of a new concept for. Let's say this kind of a new concept for the middle class right. I'm sure rich people had giant parties right leg in the godfather. That's like a reception. That's like a wedding reception rape. But but what was the ideal. If you were sort of middle class you would. You would get married in the new. We just leave right. There was no reception well in the nineteen forties. I think there would be very small receptions. But i mean i when i picture what i'm saying like from their reception. Oh but without but there are movies. Were they run out of the church and people are waving goodbye right in there. Like going on their honeymoon like in like in in what. Why can't they named movie. It's a wonderful life right. They're not going they're not coming. They're not leaving from a wedding reception aren't they. Just leaving and going to the airport and then the the building alone. There's around the building alone right. I don't think there was a wedding. There's a party in between there. Oh there might mr mrs. potter jail. I'm just saying like you know i m asking. I just always felt like there's a scene of waving from the church right and people are leaving. But i'm also wondering if maybe it's just like a narrative convenience because it makes it clear if you're if you're leaving a church a wedding dress on the audience. Go oh they just got married okay. I think it's that well again. And like i said like in the godfather. They're having a big fancy wedding reception. But that's because like the godfather super-rich so i was wondering if maybe that was only like a rich person thing until like modern town. I think i mean i also. There's also a lot of a lot of movies where they'll be like. Oh i'm home from away and here's my bride and you're like what do you mean. Here's your bride. I've never met this person before you get married left and right so i think it's more for the convenience of storytelling i gotcha i. Don't yeah i. I don't know just always sort of struck me weird where like the bride and groom in movies like will leave in the middle of the reception. Like they don't get to enjoy their own party and like go on their honeymoon and everyone else just hangs out in has a good time without them. Yeah i guess. I don't know like even the an. It's totally random but the early seasons of the mary tyler moore show like you know the opening credits sort of set up the story line. But she's at her goodbye party which apparently was scheduled for the day that she's leaving and she leaves in the middle of it to drive to minneapolis and everyone just hangs out and like by mary. But you're in my house also like today's a good day for the party and packing. You know him leaving today. So i like one of those things are like maybe like like you know traditions sort of change but like if it sort of you as a person who's not going to weddings like you don't notice the change happen them excel is an alien also. Weddings have become crazy. There's parties after parties though. That's what i'm saying used to happen. So i think that's where they're at is. They were at their reception. And then they basically you know we're going to go on our honeymoon to sears right well because also because also there's a ton of old movies and again this could just be for narrative. Convenience will admit but this is also tunnel moves. It's like let's get married. Let's go to the justice of the peace today right and get married and it's just like wait. What like first of all. You're not going to have like a normal wedding and you're going to do it today. I don't know it just seems crazy but again i don't know how how likely or how common that was back. Then or if it was just a thing that like they like in the movies because we gotta we gotta get this picture moving here. we just. They're married now. everyone happy. they're married. Okay it's done movies over. Go home all right. We gotta we gotta we gotta goofy cartoonish show. Let's get out of israel's got married. Everyone happy news is the movie ends with jack warner. Smoking a cigar coming out there married. Everyone's happy but over here. We go okay. we got. I got forty pitches to make here the movies over. This ain't a double check and not on film like in the individual theaters go home driving stated all over the country. We didn't shoot the okay. they got married. It's over the happy. Okay let's go home. I think it was going to end. It's a movie Okay anyway back to this song. They dance around for a bit. You know how it goes goes go. I do want to say 'cause. I i love this part so when i want to take my time here but this song really gets cooking and he says well they got an apartment with deep pile carpets and a couple of paintings from. Here's a big one. A bed that bob with the bread they'd say for a couple of years. They started to fight when the money got tight and they just didn't count on the tears so i the rhyming is awesome right. And this is the only time in this song that it happens where it's the lines one three and five rhyme right and in two four and six rhyme with each other and then like they got an apartment with deep pile carpets in a couple of paintings from series but that is such a vodka. Tive like you know exactly who these people are. So yeah right yeah they are they are grasping at some sort of level. That's above them right but they don't even really know what it is. It's just like oh you have an apartment. you got a couple of paintings. but he by him at sears. Right not that. I'm putting down buying paintings. But i'm just saying like you know they're just like oh they're just playing at being adults. Yeah right like because if you were smart you would buy an apartment in like maybe wait to buy some paintings like hey you know what i mean like. Don't don't spend all your money right away. You probably will try to build up to that. I wouldn't spend all your money on a on a waterbed that you save ryan. Here's for a waterbed right. You saved all this money for years and you blow it on a on a waterbed by normal bed right and probably for half the cost exactly so yeah waterbeds. I mean those are not things anymore. Do you think the beds in a bit of a tangent. Do you think the beds box. Like casper's and leases in those and purples those those mattresses and box. Do you think that those are going to be the water beds of our time where it's like. Everybody thought they were had to have these. You know these mattresses and a box but now nobody has one well. We could kiss that sponsorship deal. Listen you know one of those. I'm just curious. I mean i have one too. I mean i think i. What are you asking that. Because that foam is i think the i mean again. Every has casper come back. Because i think the foam is much better than the springs. Listen i field spring. I will say this. I have a leesa mattress. And i love it. But the best night's sleep i've ever had. Yeah what our beds people thought waterbeds. We're like the best thing and they were like. Oh it's so good it's uis you to sleep. It was bizarre subaru. Big the lose of water in your own while. I'm going to say because i was gonna say this. Waterbeds were super weird. They do still exist. Theoretically yes waterbeds radically in that you can put water in a bag and sleep on it. Well i have slept on a waterbed. I found it incredibly uncomfortable And this was at a distance. Before i was like an old man like i was a teenager and so i could've slept like curled up in a box on the ocean and would have been fine. I found the waterbed to be uncomfortable. Frankly there also was a site problem. That went my a friend of mine. Had a waterbed. I fell asleep. I got really drunk and fell asleep on the waterbed and then rolled into like the crack suffocated to death. Because i was too drunk to pull myself up and the waterbed was like squishing face. That's another story for another time And then all the other thing was you had a warm them because it was water. It was cold out there. We get freezing cold to warm the water in the waterbed right so now. He's sleeping in one of those outdoor waterbeds. Because i think that's just covered pool. Dan you just sleeping on a pool. Cover as you're talking. This is starting to really add up. Were you know like. I don't think it's i don't think it's necessary. But like i said. I mean his water so we would like cool off so you would like i think the more pop or whatever the more expensive ones would warn them so again. I something warm to waterbed you feel like all night. You've wet your pants. That's a problem. And then finally they were like crazy. Heavy user. just a bag of water needed to move it. You'd have to drain the water out. It was bad idea. Teradata idea what i'm saying is is. This episode is brought to you by casper your man. I wish i wish we had guys us. We let me ask you something about waterbeds to the coin. Make it uncomfortable. Sleep on surprisingly. That's right you can. Also you can open the panel your feet in. Eat the stuff that part. I did like that. I do like that part here one. It's like sleeping on top of an aquarium. It's great the seek help blankets. That's what really so. So they blow their money on a waterbed when they should've just waited thirty years and got a casper right but then also right and they started to fight when the money got tight. Another great line. Bill you're killing on this one. They just didn't count on the tears right. So here's now reality has set in right and the one thing they never considered is that there would be any problems right. Everything was always supposed to go smoothly for them forever. It just never occurred to them. What do we do if it doesn't right and just didn't count on the tears. An and then. The saxophone goes crazy in the song. So yeah i mean any other thoughts on. he's doomed. No i think. I eric and this is another. This is the thing about. How old are they. Because i can see a couple two years out of high school. Who don't understand what it means to be an adult and take care of your money and things like that. They get a little bit of money. They probably got money from their wedding. And instead of putting it away the splurged all of it on this apartment this one apartment and and and waterbed and they can't move past it 'cause they because they're lazy and you know can't afford it so that's the that's the problem is that's why i think maybe they are right out of high school because if you're if they're ten ten years into this relationship and neither of them have any prospects and they're like well. We shouldn't have bought that waterbed because now we're screwed now. We have no money then. I don't know why and it's not to say someone in their early thirties. Can't make like better decisions right right but it does feel like at some. If they've been dating for ten years at icicle at some point they must have hit a rocky patch. Hit like that seems unlikely that this is a new concept to them that what if we run into a problem so yeah i mean i i i mean honestly given the year i mean even seventy five i. It could be nineteen right. I was not uncommon. I mean my god. I can't imagine an actual real world responsibilities. Nice did you not hear my story. I almost stuff again to death on a waterbed when i was nineteen definitely should not have been getting married at that time taking on debt and like not having to pay rent well so okay michael i think something. That's sort of interesting. That sort of struck me as rachel was talking like the fact that they say that they're still going steady. Maybe that sort of kind of pointing in the direction of like their state of mind like maybe they're just the couple who like they were the king and the queen of the prom and they never got out of that like there's Right true that line from friends. Which i'm going to paraphrase poorly but you know how i always wanted to go out with. Chip matthews in highschool tonight actually went out with chip matthews in high school. Like these are the two people who were big deal in high school and they stayed there right and this is like their first dealings with reality and adult life and you know as soon as they get married and spend all that money on the waterbed and your paintings. Also painting from sears. It's a painting of sears lyric. Yeah yeah. I mean it's a nice ears like oh you want that on your wall. You want that captured forever in beautiful oil painting on your well. Yeah i think you're absolutely right. Because i think that line again. They're still going steady in the summer. Seventy five like. I think they left highschool but high school had not left them right. There's seattle's thinking in in highschool terms Even though they should be beyond that now you know so just saying using the term going steady beyond high school just points to the fact that they're still immature yet to a certain degree right And the people who are talking about them in the restaurant are like. Oh my god. Brennan's brendan are still dating. No they're they're going steady still quote unquote going steady right well and speaking of that. Thank you rachel. i'm sorry. Thank you michael. Thank you rachel. As well as just for being great for the painting of sears. That i got you. Yes it's beautiful. It was between that and gimbal. I didn't know thank you now. I really drives the room together. This is the room that's decorated with paintings of different department stores. That's it's always the same carlson. They bought at the postal surprises. Then the green but you can never go back had already by the summer recess five show the rest of the couldn't get new pick up that says you always knew they were way to get by saw career so the the evidence that this is in part to that. This is This is eddie. Who's talking to brenda as he says. Got a new wife right but the thing is the person who's telling this story can't be any right or brenda. Because the whoever this person is says there we were waiting brandon. Eighty goodbye right so if we are assuming that all of this is the same conversation. This is snippets. This is the phone call. Then it's sort of the awkward. Like whatever i'll take a new wife got a new lead. Yeah the small talk and then it's there for whatever reason he's telling his this story about brenda and eddie If this person knows brendan eddie. Over there for it. This is weird although this could also be the guy just dominating the conversation like let me man spleen to you. A thing that you know happen does that outside. The robot's ability but for whatever reason he's telling his date this story about eddie that he doesn't know but again. This can't be brendan eddie. Because it's obviously in the third person. Unless eddie having some sort of like disassociates souders but but oh and before we move on i do wanna say one last thing is i love. I love the lyrics here. And i love the the staccato way. He's he's doing this right. It's like they live for a while and a very nice style but it's always the same in the end like the panels like the done because it just feels like you're you're just heading towards a fate that's that's unavoidable yet. Right you're just you're a runaway train. The brakes are cut on the car. And there's nothing you can do intensity to it. This is always going to end the same way where they live for a while in a very nice style. But it's always the same. In the end they got a divorce is a matter of course. And they part of the costa friends then the king and the queen went back to the green. But you can never go back there again. Good it's great. it's great. I love it. You know they part of the coasts friends right Which i don't buy but we'll get there while. I just i feel like i feel was probably civil right. You're like somebody else in the restaurant like no they didn't well. I'm saying. I mean. I don't think i don't think it was initially hated each other right but i feel like i think they did a lot of growing up right over over the course of. We'll talk about it possibly shortest two months. Why should say as long as to even shorter than that. They did a lot of growing up brand. They realize that this was a mistake. So they they got a divorce but they're not. They're not the same as they were right. They can't go. We're still friends. Like not not really branding the civilly by you know the really can't have we can't ever forget that like our use of a stake involved. You know doling out their friends. They parted the closest to friends. So you get this part of our friends. So so they part of the closer friends and then and this the part again the king and the queen went back to the green. But you can never go back there again. First of all. They're still thinking in highschool terms. Yes right they're trying to go back to the green a my god if they're ten years out of high school and they're going to hang out at the green that is rough. I really hope that they're that they're twenty years old at the earliest but or they're mentally and emotionally going back to the green. I don't know. I feel like they are trying to go back to who they were right. So yeah so maybe. They're not technically going back but they're trying to go back to were but they can't now they're now divorced and in debt right things 'cause because when you're the king and the queen of the problem everything's always going perfectly for you the moment that's that's not true anymore you can never go back. Never go back to having a perfect record right now. You're you've already been through the rough spot so you know and so they got a divorce as a matter of course like first of all. Wow well that's like. Just an i mean said many times. Let's let's do the chef kiss for the line. Perfect the journal rhyme the and just like of course they got divorced right like this was not going to end well. of course. that's what happened. Yeah and that's the thing. I mean it's like you're saying like it's that it's everyone telling them they're crazy. And then that that rushing. This tocado like bubble. There's there's no way to avoid it. And then of course we all knew this was coming like rachel said everyone was like. What are you got two weeks at the wedding. Because they might they might have won. That bet right. They had everybody at the wedding. Just had like a one month calendar and they're like everybody pick a day. It's the end of july and it's like yeah two weeks two weeks to pick from there's also again great here because we said the internal line. They got a divorce of course but again one three and five. I'll have that. They lived for a while in a very nice style. Gotta divorce as a matter. Of course the king and the queen went back to the green. Oh my god but you can ever go back there again. It's very yeah it's great it's great and it's one of those things that like you don't know obviously you don't maybe pick up on the first time you hear it or even the time you hear it if you don't like examine the lyrics but it just feels so good. Yeah it consciously all those rhymes like and the fact that each line does it in succession. It's not just the one line that does he. He does each line in a way that makes sense it just like oh man it just feels great like it just feels great. Billy joel might be pretty good at songwriting. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get to that so so now we kind of in a way almost take a step back now. Brendan that he had had it already. By the summer of seventy five from the height of the low to the end of the show for the rest of their lives. And i think that's where you're talking about it now should we just dissect that part start. Well the only before we get there. I just wanna say that was sorta what michael was talking about. We were talking about was at now forever and ever to the to the for the rest of their lives. They always had this thing went wrong right. There are always going to be divorced. There's no way to go back now. There's nowhere to go back to being the perfect brendan eddie from the high to low to the end of the show for the rest of their lives. This is at the very least. They're always gonna be like well. I got married. I got divorced like they can't ever be perfect again in possibly the same afternoon. Who knows right. Well they got married in this ever seventy five. They had had an already by the summer of seventy five. Not winter of seventy five being if we are if we are giving the benefit of the doubt that they are following the seasons to a t and not using memorial or not using leaving using labor day they have till september twenty first. That's when they got married at the end of july that is less than two months for it and they and they said they live for while in a very nice style. What is i along weekend. He's i think if. I think this is a great song i think. If you're going to heavily examine the lyrics. Yeah right i do think that this is potentially the one flaw in this song right be if only because because they say they started to fight when the money got tight. How is that possible. I unless they literally blew every cent. I think the money got tight like the week after the wedding but even if like if they're buying on credit rate and like layaway. The bills won't even be to are cut off his september. Twenty first they got married at the end of july. So we're talking august and and half of september. There's no way the money's already tight. I mean again unless they literally have spent every cent they have. I think they might can't buy groceries but that's really and they said he's doing this at least he's gonna get paid at the end of the week right. I mean this seventies you can have a job in the just handed you cash every friday. It was amazing it was a utopia so i mean again unless i dunno. Let's say zero money coming in. But again i mean you can't even get a victim from your apartment in a month or even if even if at the end of october i. We don't have the money to pay you say this. I don't think it's a matter of their destitute and thrown on the streets. I think it's that they are fed up with each other. They've had already with each other not with the money like i do. Think don't have money. And maybe the writing on the wall for that and so. They've maxed out credit cards. They've used all their cash reserves because they went to they went to fiji for a week and then they bought a waterbed. That waterbed cost fifteen dollars and that all they had. Here's the thing. I got to tell you the truth if that is true. I'm losing a lot of sympathy for branded. Because i get it. You're young you don't understand the world works you blow throw your money without realizing it but if you are starting to fight when the money got tight a month in guys come on you gotta have some idea that you're gonna need money beyond tomorrow. I mean i think this is their their first experience with reality. I can't. I agree. But i feel like after six months. You start to fight right when the money got tight because the bills are coming due now in eddie's not bringing in as much from the mechanic job that he has or whatever. That's when you start fighting i just. I can't imagine it's a month then i just. That seems highly unlikely. They're starting to not not. They could be sick of each other. Don't get me wrong. People like get married and have the marriage annulled the next day because they realize they can't stand each other. I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying the one line where they say. They started to fight when the money got tight. There's no way the money got tight a month and a half unless again. These guys are the biggest dumdum. Come down from dumdum mountain and like literally spent every sunday you know. It just doesn't make sense. So i will say i do feel like having said all that i do for like maybe that is the one fly just feels like a like a joke you know because they got married in the summer seventy five and they divorced this summer seventy five. It happened so fast. I feel like if it was like the winter of seventy five. It would make a little bit more sense. At least right you give them six months until they do. They realize they don't have any money and they're and they're having big fights about it and they call it quits but the other thing is this is also somebody else's telling of the story. Well that's the other thing. So maybe this guy at the italian restaurant could be like. Oh yeah they were divorced two months right that it could have been like a year. Thank you that's true that's true. I mean that's an interpretation as someone who was terrible. The word i want. I have a terrible sense of time. So i'm often saying things like. Oh yeah. that happened six months ago. My wife's like that happened. Five years ago is very possible that this guy also is just wrong right that he's getting the dates wrong or he's even just trying to be funny me and like i was over by the summer. Seventy five like really was like february of seventy six but this just felt like it just happened. They were divorced almost immediately. So that's another possibility that this guy is just an unreliable narrator. They could also they didn't. They weren't like divorced living apart by the end of the summer. They were the had it right now divorced there. I mean that's also. Yeah that they were done by listeners and they still got divorced later. Yeah i guess so. yeah i don't know i still wish it was winter of seventy five. All i know. Is that like the amount of care that billy joel clearly took with each and every one of these words i don't think saying summer seventy five in that line is mistake. Oh i don't think there's a mistake i again. I think it's a very intentional. I but i do think supposed to be kind of a joke right which i joke that when you when you think about it. It doesn't totally make sense right. But i mean all the i also say the first one hundred times. I've heard the sorry. I never thought about well. That's that's the thing i was going to say. Or maybe he didn't think that three dumb dumbs in thirty five years. We're going to start talking about first of all that's his. That's his mistake should see. How could he not know that right right. Yeah and the second thing is i mean maybe just summer of seventy five just sounds better. Lyrically does seventy five seventy five. Maybe he's just like. I like i like the way the sounds and those three people on a podcast which i love. You know what that is ninety. Nine hundred seventy seven but those are good themselves. Seventy five sounds better but it's also there's also something very evocative about that where it starts at the beginning of the summer and then by the end of the summer as things are turning into fall and it's getting colder and darker it ends right. Yeah it's ending. It's not this isn't like you know. This isn't summer lovin from greece. They got remarried. Term relationship got married and decided do months in. Na no turns out we were better at just being going steady. But i mean again i think and i think if like the end of june rhymed with what is. The low marriage should be at the end of june. I think if that rhymed then he would be june. July rhymes better so everyone can go screw themselves The last thing. I say i'm going to try to wrap this up. 'cause guys we are talking for an hour readiness ahead already by the summer. Seventy five for highs in this show for the rest of their lives. So so i but the only thing i wanna say is this kind of. I think it works but this kind of repeats. The information from the stands before it right because we know they got divorced and then he says brenda had already by the semi seventy five but they couldn't go back to the researchers right so that's kind of a repeat of what happened before the best thing to do is pick up their pieces. We always knew they would find a way to get by. And that's all i've heard about brendan eddie. I can't tell you more. Because i told you already and here. We are waving brenda. And eddie goodbye right so and i think it's i think that line is great because not only are they. They were waving goodbye to brendan eddie. After the wedding after the reception depending on how it worked but they're waving about canetti. Now the wind waving and i could buy two brendan nettie as well here. But i think they're also waving goodbye to the idea of brendan eddie so yeah okay so i will say this i. Here's my thought. Okay and i think rightly maybe there is a place and could be swayed. I think there is a place where you could say that. They're waving the idea of and eddie and goodbye but when he says the best they can do is pick up their pieces. We always knew they would both find a way to get by in my head even as a kid. I was like oh. They decided they do want to be together and they're waving goodbye to them because they've decided to get remarried interesting because here we are waving brennan goodbye. So maybe it's not the maybe this isn't the fall of seventy five m. Maybe they tried to. They got divorced. They tried to figure out what's out there. They realized that there wasn't anything out. There accept each other. And now it's seventy seven and they're waving brennan goodbye because they've decided to pick up the pieces and make another go of it. But i don't know i mean i is certainly never saw. I have seen it that way for my entire life. I'm not gonna lie to you my entire life. I've seen it that way. Can i ask you a question. What it's like to be wrong for that long. No why you prepare yourself for when you're not getting involved in this an optimist. What can i say but it was a little bit differently. If they didn't say the best they could do was pick up their pieces. We always knew they would both find a way to get by. They're going to survive right there. They'll find a way thrace. Gather i don't know if it's together though i don't it doesn't have to be together. Well the let me. They're gonna they're going to pick up the pieces of their now. Broken lives because they're out by the way they're probably both very much in debt right at this point so and i realized that debt in nineteen seventy five is not the same as twenty twenty. but dead's dead. I mean you know so if nothing else financially ruined the water bed. It was a mess for making sound. Like i don't know like cartoon characters like well with the water band but we're divorced in a month and a half but yeah i mean again. I just always sided like they. They picked up the pieces of the the of what they had laughed. And they move forward and and they. This wasn't going to break them. But now you know they're. They're not as as perfect as they used to be. Right and i will say this. I mean the reason when we're talking about the beginning. Could this be eddie. Talk into brenda. That was my the reason. My answer was no. It's not eddie. Talking to brenda was because they're they're still together in my mind. They're still together. And everybody's just like those two crazy kids. I can't believe we're back here waving by them again. Did you get them another gift. Because i did not. It was way too soon. I don't i that's a great question. Do you have to buy a second gift for a remarried. Now greg greg. I don't think so. I just should've to the same the same person i think you. Just show them the statement. Where you i'm still paying off your lap is Is ann landers or dear. Abby still alive is either one of them. Let's let's find. Let's ask that's my. That's my thought about harris ends up. I think i think that is a valid interpretation. Thank you i personally in my mind. They are not back together. But i could be wrong i i could very easily be wrong once again. Just be clear. Almost suffocated death on water. No one should ever consider me an expert on literally anything other than how don to die while drunk sleeping on a waterbed right because the answer is stay in the middle kids. Stay in. i have place One just to go back a couple of lines. And as i'm like re reading it and thinking about it like what a brilliant and sort of sad line this is they couldn't go back to the researchers Degreasers aren't there anymore. In one thousand nine hundred seventy five. Oh wait a minute. What the billy. This time i mentioned withheld degreasers. Sick that it's seventy five. Yeah billy no no. No no i think no. I think it's really smart. They were in high school and now that they're divorced they wanna go back to that. But that's not there anymore but it's basically saying school is in the works. The only way that works is if they had a ten year engagement which no. but i don't think engage. No they were going steady for ten years only steady for ten years the engagement weeks. But that's why we. I think we have to live under that world in that universe with that. How does that make sense. Because they're rushing into a wedding. You can't rush into a wedding after ten years. No nobody said they're rushing and literally. Just talk about this for like a half hour. But i'm sick but they. They were still going steady in the summer. Seventy five and they decide the marriage the july. Everyone said they were crazy. Nobody said they were rushing into it. They just said they were crazy. Yeah but then. What is the endgame here for them to just be dating forever. I guess we've talked about that. But nine hundred seventy five. There's no way that that everyone's okay with them just dating like forever. I mean i maybe like you know what i mean. Maybe they are because they're like these two should not get married. They're not prepared for real life. they're lazy. I mean. I guess so so anyway. Point is but again then that makes me feel zero sympathy. If they are thirty five years old they get married and blow every cent that they have and they're fighting over the money after a couple of weeks. These guys are hideous. It's me how could you you. They've been living on their own for years at this point how this such a surprise to them this whole conversation. But i'm saying i'm saying the timeline doesn't add up. It does add up if they have been on their own for ten years. Yeah seem may not have been on their own if they are it if they are traditional italian brennan. Eddie are traditional italian. I'll tell you what they both live with their parents. I agree with you but if they are traditional italian to live with their parents. There's no way that their parents are letting them date for ten years without getting married. I i will say you're going to say you get married or break it off. I don't know i will say this. I don't want to call up family members but what my aunts was exactly that she had a long term boyfriend and they they never got married. No i don't know what my grandmother and grandfather thought about it but it didn't faze her all right. Well rachel heavier in here every. I guess it's possible. It just seems it just seems unlikely to me. You know what i mean. But i guess kiss your honest with you to be honest with you. I hate crime. Second of all to be honest with you. The evidence that we have in the song. I have no choice but to agree with you guys. Because if they're going back to the irs but if they're going back to the greases. The grace's are god by sixty eight. Yeah you know what i mean like. This is not even like by seventy five. They are long gone so these these guys are going quote unquote steady into their early thirties. Yes which frankly is sad. Okay and and again the fact that they did not understand how the world works at this point like if they get married in one thousand nine hundred and donors are world. Works okay everybody makes mistakes. They had some growing up to do if they are what. It's ten years later. So what are they. Twenty eight twenty nine. Like come on guys. You've gotta know you can buy paintings from sears on credit like you got you know what i mean like. That's pathetic again just to clarify its painting of sears But that's the point. I think they they for however long after high school they were still in the mentality of are the king and the queen of the prom like they were. They were still in high school. They were the big fish in the little pond and then reality hits and when they get divorced the line says they couldn't go back to the irs and what i think is so tragic about that or not tragic but like from their perspective tragic. They couldn't go back to the greece's because the world has passed them by the greece's are not there anymore. That part of their life is not there. Everybody has moved on. they're not in high school. And that's what's sad. Yes my second point is. We're in this italian restaurant. And everybody's talking about brendan eddie. And all these things that happened in high school. So here's my theory. That i just thought of an might not be well thought out at all. Ooh okay. i'm excited to poke holes go for it perfect Could this be since they are in at least in our interpretation several conversations but what are the chances that all these people in this restaurant at one time or talking about high school. Could this be a high school reunion. I'll could be and when they wave. Goodbye brendan eddie. Is that them. Leaving the reunion luna leading together. My gosh that's really good. Michael no holes. Okay okay why now. So the either either the first and the second conversation or just set conversation is brendan. Any right oh no but but he has a new wife if the second part is i. Don't okay okay. That could be somebody some rando at the right. You're right okay. Okay okay campy. I can't be and one. And i hope it's not part one could be the invitation to get in the mail okay and it was written by somebody from the poetry club or something right so this is this is random conversations natural conversation at the high school reunion. And and right and then brendan eddie. Get back together at the union and they leave together mike. I love that. I like it. I mean do. They often have high school reunions at italian restaurants. I mean they know that they again. It's not a tv show or movie. Where where the reunion is at school right. No i know that's well it depends on how again this could be the future too but it depends on how long the reunion is is to. I mean you know. I mean not that this is a fifty year reunion but as the region's farther away from high school i think the right location of the get smaller and smaller and i think also forty only fifteen people from this high school left alive jars. They're all in their nineties. Breaded eddie finally got together in the united the team. They finally got it back together. I think also you know for union high school. Gymnasiums don't necessarily have a liquor license so long they're gonna want that rosa right. I mean again like you said. I think that's the thing that only happens in tv. Shows unions a knife and banquet hall. Sure sure sure. And gymnasiums and restaurant banquet hall gymnasium. Jim torrey also have a stage where they do. I don't know elementary school. Plays longer all along. Well but i do have to go back to one thing and just say that if so let's say they graduate high school in nineteen sixty five just just as an example right. They get married. They're going for ten years. They get married in the summer of seventy five. The one of the thing that really bothers me about that is that then. They're surprised when they try to go back to the village agreement. The on dude. You live through woodstock what are you talking about. How could you be surprised that the world has were these two sealed in a bunker for ten years like what are you. What are you talking. I think to to michael's point that's more about their own head space that therein their own idea of what the world because they've been in this relationship for so long they've had like this insular relationship that their king queen of the prom and that that's what they are always because they the identity they have is that to each other and then when they don't have that anymore they're like oh well before i was brenda's boyfriend or eddie's girlfriend i was part of the research gang so i could just go back to them and everybody's instead like wearing tie-dying smoking pot so and they couldn't find it. I mean i mean not at seventy five found. Yeah even beyond that. They're they're you know they're like mid seventies kids now. He's confused are disco or their days confused right. They're they would have no idea what's going on. So they're trying to get back to john travolta in grease whereas the reality is john travolta in saturday night fever. That's right sure. Yeah yeah yeah. I think you're right about that Okay so man. I i think you guys have like bait this song now. I'm going to knock a lot. It does it get it makes so much sense. You just don't want it to. But i'm just saying like again in my mind brandon. Nettie got married when they were nineteen and a lot of growing up to do if they are getting married at twenty nine and making the same mistakes that completely changes the song. These guys these guys are. I don't know what your people who got married in their thirties and had a lot of growing up to do is a totally different. But if you get married your third you have a different kind of growing up to do. Then that's the thing that's that's the tragedy of it. They have the same kind of growing up to do because they are still king and the queen of the prom but years later they've been on a in a state of of development for the past ten years into the show just makes them so pathetic to me. That really hurts. But i also again. I can't argue with you guys because they're trying to get back to the researchers in seventy five. Yeah they are ten years out of date at this point. So i mean it okay. So the original line there was they were They couldn't go back to the flappers so and they were like you weren't even alive. Those nineteen twenties and she was like no. But i wanna go back to that. Like i don't want to stuck on this point but like literally if if they had graduated high school in sixty five. Oh my god and no but then got married and like sixty eight right and then they try to go back to the greece's and like the world has changed. Oh my god what have we. Were these hippies. What's happening here. But it's like guys just for ten years like yes. The world has changed again. You've been through woodstock and the moon landing and everything else. Watergate is breaking right now. Like what are you talking about you lunatics anyway. The song ends by whites retire young Very such a good song. That is the end. That's the that's the. I had a great evening. We do this any time for the thanks for attending a reunion. The male right All right wanted to expand the universe. Sure okay michael you ed. You told me to put a pin in something. I didn't write it down. Because i'm bad at my job and so do you remember what it was. Yes it was the The song from new orleans okay. or song about new orleans And rachel said that it was clearly dixieland jazz So could the record that they put on the jukebox. Be a sultans of swing song. I mean oh the band. No i like a lot is the local band. Is the local van band. I think after the songs songs of swing actually hit it big. Or i was going to say or are they going to say like you know the really like cool cosmopolitan kid in high school is like hey guys. This summer i went to england. And i brought back this album of this really great band. I heard over there. And they're called solar swing. I'm going to put this on and it starts. people love it so much. It starts like a dixieland jazz renaissance. That's right localized to long island. New york in the nineteen seventies. I love it or sixty s. Whatever i love it yeah. That's great not even localized to long island. Localized specifically to that. Diner right yeah. Oh yeah i love it. I mean that's great. I mean 'cause. I love that because it's up to songs on swing. It's the band with in songs classic. I love it. Yeah great. I i assume i assume that at the bar at the italian restaurant is just george. Thorogood bottle. Red bottle white. Perhaps the bottle rosa. He's like you're doing it all wrong. One bourbon one scotch and beer. That's all they serve here so this is an italian restaurant. We serve a lot of that one. Bourbon one scotch one beer. That's what you you guys at your table. please don't guys. This is the bar that opened in this italian restaurant. This is the bar that i open. And it's called trio. And every time i trio you have to order three drinks so you can order one. Bourbon wisconsin beer. You can order a a white red or rosa but it. Oh you'll have to order three things at once. Yes this is terrible business. And yes the the local government does want to shut me down because guys. I'm not gonna lie to you. There's been a major increase in. Dui is this is my dream. This is my business. That's how it is a do it into the combination. Platters have three three three things on them. Yes but you have to order three combination players right. Everyone is very drunk and very fat here. But that's just the way. This is my dream. But they're happy. I don't know i mean you know when when things start to get rough i mean. Does eddie accuse brenda taking it on. The run is that possible. Is that one of the fights that maybe they have yeah i don't know i don't know and then the other thing the only other thing i know for sure is that you don't they don't get into it that much but in that waterbed is a wail and marriner and a young boy. Y yeah i don't know if the whales and there but like definitely. The water from that water bed was inside the whale that swallowed The young boy and his ex stepfather is that what he was. I don't remember. But yeah i would say definitely. Yeah that's definitely a connection. And every time they they sleep on it like. Do you feel like a weird. Like like a haunting but like a haunting by like a boop black. You know what. I'm talking about like a really old timey mounting right. This really something terrible happened in this water but like in a really like i don't know it feels like someone was murdered but also but also they had like cholera. You're talking about that kind of thing sleeping on the water bed. you know. It feels a little vengeful right. Yeah yeah you're like Oh i had a good one. Okay i mean actually probably wasn't very good but whatever. Well let's let's this has been fun. Let's cut it here. We've been talking for for quite a while. So and honestly the michael. I was so excited about the swing thing that i was ready to cut it off there. We weren't at better than that. That was great. So let's of the people who were reminiscent in this bar. Maybe fernando is one of them maybe reminiscing about something totally different than us. This is closed event. You're not supposed to be here. We're we're we're telling old stories but yeah but when we're in there. This is not the reunion of the rebellion army access. I'm sorry oh that's next door. i'm sorry my bad. They've got entertainment in this restaurants. There might be a singer. I'm calling it over. This show is over over. It didn't michael. I'm sorry you missed the deadline for all the not getting their jay love. Tj loved was there. We're gonna take a quick break. Dj was definitely playing high school reunion. We're gonna take a break and when we come back we about the history of this song and the story. We might seem to cool in a loop but we love to connect on social media. Follow us on twitter at story underscore song on instagram at stories on podcast and on our facebook page. It's your ticket to the crowd. Daddy o all right. we're back. It's time for story behind the story. How did this How did this story come to be Well i'm gonna say this before. We get started. I want to talk a little bit about my personal relationship to to mr joel. Your his driver. Well so anyone who who doesn't know what you may not listen this show so michael and i Who are the coast of the story. Sunk podcast. We all grew up on long island in new york. And when you live on long island and you're growing up on long island. You hear a lot of billy joel Billy joel was born and raised on. Long island is considered our favorite son And you know he's he's the local boy you made good and people love billy joel around here which is fine. He's very good yeah. Don't get me wrong. He's he's the bruce springsteen or jon bon jovi if you're from new jersey that's exactly right yeah i think i i mean i know no disrespect to mr Bon jovi but i feel like he's more of the bruce springsteen right like he represents this area to to a certain degree that's and and so you hear a lot of you're allowed to billy joel and growing up. I did not like billy joel mostly again just because if it was you know shoved down my throat basically. Everyone told me. I was supposed to love this. Of course. I was not lows little punks. I was like no. You told me i'm supposed to like it. I don't like it. But i think the other thing with billy joel and this is going to sound mean and it's going to mean to be the but to start with. I think the the thing with billy joel as he's just personally he's not cool bright and the reason why i say that is because there's there's a lot of There's a lot of criticism that he gets that. I think other people don't get We've talked in the past like you know when we did. We did david bowie right. We did space. Oddity and michael made a joke about dancing in the street and like the fact that david bowie did dancing. In the street with mick jagger in that stupid video and is still considered cool right just goes to show how cool he is that that. When you're cool you can take hits like that and just keep going right for me fair. The song is very cool. The video is ridiculous but in itself still cool. Because it's david bowie mick jagger right but that's what i mean like those guys are cool right and so billy joel. He just he just forever and ever just always seemed like someone's dad just he's just a regular to which is which is which is a good thing i'm saying that's a good thing but when you're a rockstar i think you're supposed to be rockstar. I think that kind of stuff It just hurts you. Because he he because he didn't seem cool any any minor. Misstep i feel. I got magnified. You know what i mean like. A lot of people criticize him. You know for like you know whatever like like we already talking about. Bruce springsteen like i remember like this he wrote a song called good nights is gone and there was a lot of criticism of him because well he didn't fight in vietnam to how dare he write this song. That's from from the point of view of vietnam vet right. But guess also didn't find a vietnam bruce springsteen but he can ride born in the usa and nobody cares and everyone thinks he's so yeah. It wasn't bruce. Breezy does come off a bit cooler. And so i think you're i think you're right but i think that's tough. It's a tough place to be because in a way he is. His coolness is cool. If you've ever seen him there was a whole thing where he wore sunglasses a lot in the ninety s and i thought that was the coolest thing he'd ever done. Why are you wearing sunglasses on. All your stuff and i was like the those somehow sunglasses uncool on you and billy joel fan right. Oh and i don't get me wrong. I think you can think. Billy joel is not cool and still be a huge fan of his music. I'm just saying that. Like like david bowie. Mick jagger bruce seen like these guys always look like rockstars. Billy joel looks like the guy that you rent the u-haul truck from like he just seems like it just a like. He's just some guy right right that you wouldn't you wouldn't give a second look too. Yeah other than the fact that he writes. These great sars. The other thing is that like we have an outside an outsized. Look on billy joel right. I think he's a he's a big star is very popular like the rest of the country and the rest of the world. However if you look like Piano man rate Us billy joel song. That peaked at number twenty five. I'm hot one hundred right. It wasn't even a top twenty. Hit right now. That is a song. That was inescapable if you live around here and when we were growing up right but i mean i mean it was. It was a song like across the point like visit. Pete to twenty-five that doesn't mean that it's not an unknown. It's unknown song around. They're saying it's his things on is like nineteen seventy-three. I just think there was nothing out there like that at the time. The timing of it. Yeah and ri- we've talked to a bunch of times about how the charts are not necessarily reflective of How the longevity of his on the quality of a song it's just it depends on what was out at the time what was going on in the world at the time like that right. Just be something. That people weren't ready for paradise by the dashboard light. Which is a massive song and still like around. Still classic rock. I think that was like top eighty. Wow okay well when when. I'm trying to say those i mean. Obviously there's a song that has endured like even beyond this area. Just because they played at mets games like they definitely like that is a sign that everyone i think throughout the country is going gonna know like i agree with you. I'm saying like you know. We had the impression that he was like the beatles times a thousand rate growing up because he was so big. That like you know again this number twenty five. That's great like you're you're doing great. You're you're you know you're having a big career as a musician right. That's that's awesome but it just you know i think