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How The Navy Failed Its Sailors
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from park MGM the newest resort in the center of the Las Vegas strip. Enjoy powerhouse artists like lady Gaga and indulge in inspired cuisine from taste makers like ROY Choi at his new restaurant best friend from WHYY in Philadelphia. This is fresh air. I'm Dave Davies in for Terry gross today, neglect and disaster in the US navy in two thousand seventeen navy destroyers collided. With large commercial ships in two separate incidents in the South China Sea, killing seventeen American sailors, the first collision happened in the middle of the night. When the massive cargo vessel ripped into sailor sleeping quarters, flooding them with seawater and said, these guys are immediately within seconds vying for their lives, and the amazing thing is twenty seven sailors are able to escape from this pitch black windowless sleeping area within sixty seconds to ninety seconds. However, not everybody does we speak with propublica. T Christian Miller part of an investigative team that found chronic understaffing outdated equipment and other problems affecting ships in the seventh fleet. Also, Kevin Whitehead reviews, a new album from drummer Herlin Riley. In the early morning darkness of June seventeenth two thousand seventeen the navy destroyer USS FitzGerald collided with a cargo ship in the South China Sea, the much larger cargo vessel ripped a huge hole in the FitzGerald killing seven sailors, two months later, another destroyer the USS John s McCain collided with another cargo ship leaving ten more sailors dead. Our guest veteran journalist t Christian Miller is part of an investigative team at the online news site propublica that looked into the crashes and problems with navy operations that may have contributed to them the reporters found that ships in the seventh fleet were chronically understaffed and that crews were often exhausted poorly trained and working with outdated or poorly maintained equipment and software. They also found navy commanders had flagged the problems for years, but little was done to address them t Christian Miller is a senior reporter for propublica. He's covered four wars presidential. Campaign and reported from more than two dozen countries in two thousand sixteen he shared a Pulitzer prize for an investigation into the failures of law enforcement to properly investigate reports of rape. You can find his stories about the navy collisions reported with colleagues Robert fatter Ritchie and Megan rose on the propublica website while t Christian Miller, welcome back to fresh air. Let's start with this horrific collision June two thousand seventeen between the American destroyer of the US FitzGerald in this cargo vessel the AC X crystal. Tell us a little bit about these two vessels and the risks of a collision should they cross paths? While these are not to vessels that you would typically imagine ever crossing path much less colliding into each other. The crystal was a thirty thousand tonne cargo ship. It was transiting into Tokyo Harvard deliver some goods, the US has FitzGerald was a American destroyer of the early Burke war class. It is the main destroyer which now sails the seas all over the world for the navy and what's unique about early Burke class destroyers. And this includes the US has FitzGerald is they are designed specifically to detect any kind of incoming threat be at a missile other worship an airplane from hundreds of miles away. So the idea that a thirty thousand tonne slow moving cargo vessel could ever collide. With a one point eight billion dollars destroyer specifically designed to avoid threats like that was an increase. Label thing to think of ever happening. And so when it did happen, it really shook the navy and give us this where and when did this happen what sort of waters were they sailing? Sure. So on June seventeenth two thousand seventeen the US has FitzGerald was sailing off the coast of Japan is about twelve miles off the coast. It's pretty calm night. There was a little bit of a moon. So you could see across the ocean. There's no storms or anything else. And it was sailing on its way to emission the South China seas. It was about one twenty am in the morning. So very early in the morning when the AC crystal hit the side of the US has FitzGerald in a in a collision that Torah gigantic hole in the side of the FitzGerald. So it hit the starboard side. What parts of the ship were impacted and what specifically happened there? So so let me try and put you on the bridge the ship, which is where the ship is steered from a navigated from. So it's one twenty m you have about ten or fifteen people who are responsible at this hour of the night for navigating the ship through these waters off the coast of Japan, they believe they're in basically, there's not much traffic around them. This is kind of the mindset of the people who are on the ship right now and suddenly with less than a minute to go by some estimates. They finally see this thirty thousand ton freighter coming toward them. They begin a emergency avoidance maneuvers. It's very late in the game. Obviously, the what's called the author of the deck who is the person who's in charge of the ship of that moment was a young Lieutenant by the name of Sarah topic by all accounts, the tenant J G copy kind of panic a little bit, and she turned the FitzGerald right in front of the cargo ship in an effort to dodge out of the way. It was a miscalculation. When it went against all the rules of seamanship. And what she essentially did in that moment is she exposed the FitzGerald being hit directly by the crystal. When that happened. The crystal has kind of try and draw the picture for your listeners, the crystals large ship it's much higher than the FitzGerald, tolerant FitzGerald and beneath the surface that has a protruding how you might have seen them before. It's almost like a giant boldest bow which houses some advocation quip. What happens then is that the crystal basically catches the FitzGerald in a pincer between its leading prow at the top and the protruding part of the bottom and punches a hole simultaneously in a sleeping quarters where there's about forty sailors asleep and at the same time it punches a hole in another sleeping quarter. And this one's occupied by one person, the captain of the FitzGerald a Bryce Benson. So this was a massive collision. I mean, the crystal was this huge ship with all this moment them what happened to the sailors? Who were sleeping been that birth? That was was directly hit right? I mean, the physics of this collision are incredible to think of a essentially what happened is once collision occurs. There's a whole punched in the side of the FitzGerald in two places water begins flooding into the sleeping apartment, which is underneath the waterline there's about thirty five to forty sailors who are asleep in the compartment at that time there. Suddenly, basically, they begin to hear shouts people getting shots. Like there's water on deck. The get out get out. So people begin to sort of stand up, and they find themselves quickly submerged in water up to their waist within within seconds. And they begin having to try to evacuate in the space, and then kind of describe the space a little bit. It's in the middle of the night. Of course. So there's no lights on at all in the sleeping berthing area. There's no kind of a collision with sound. The no collision alarm was sounded. So these guys were basically asleep and. The next thing. They know they're woken up by a cold water flooding in a lot of the the Queant inside has been has been tossed aside and tumbled onto the floor. There's lockers there's an exercise bicycle there's there are various chairs and equipment. They're all floating up in this water. The water itself is as kind of laced with kind of an oily foam, which is part of the what happens when it breaks through the whole. It's Gerald the crystal does. And so these guys are immediately within seconds, basically fighting for their lives, and the amazing thing is that of the twenty seven sailors are able to escape from this darkened pitch black windowless sleeping area within about sixty seconds to ninety seconds. However, not everybody does seven on the sailors are trapped in the room. It's not clear whether or not they ever woke up or we're conscious but all seven. And sailors an autopsy later determined died of drowning so those seven sailors did not make it out. And that was at the time that was the largest seaborn accident number fatalities that occurred since the nineteen seventies. And one of the remarkable details, I read in your story was that sailors were able to maneuver out despite the darkness despite the rise rising water and all of the debris because they trained to do this with blindfolds because this can happen, right? It's one of the things that's supposed to happen immediately. When you check into a navy ship. Is you get training on how to escape you're sleeping quarters while blindfold, the navy is well aware that you have to be able to get out of your sleeping quarters in case of a flood attack or anything else. So it's one of the primary things they train on one of the sailors describe it to it as a even becomes something of a ritual breaking in new new sailors because they have to have time blindfolds kind of walk around almost like Frankenstein. A monsters was how a strategy in terms of. Damn being able to feel their way out of their birthing unit and upa ladder and then escaping to a safe place. So there was this chaos in the the birth underneath where the sailor were sleeping, the captain his his sleeping quarters were he had and he was not on the bridge at the time. We'll talk about that some more what happened to the ship itself. So that's where the physics of the crash are so incredible. What happens to the ship itself as wants to thirty thousand ton and the eight thousand ton FitzGerald, CLYDE, is that the force of the collision is so great that actually pushes the FitzGerald on a three hundred sixty degree rotation to the middle of the Pacific Ocean in the middle of the night. And the image was one of the striking images that kind of stain me. And they're pouring of the story. It's just this this out of control ship, which is lost all its power loss at steering loss at slights. They're seven crewmen who are who have passed away in the sleeping quarters. There are people who are trying to get out of their own sleeping quarters all over and in the middle of this chaos. You're also doing uncontrolled spin in the middle of the night for the Pacific Ocean. And that three hundred sixty three spin doesn't end for five minutes. They're kind of spinning the ocean at the same time. The crystal also bounces off basically from this collision. They the two ships are locked side by side for a few seconds, and they split off in different direction. The crystal then ends up heading directly for another gigantic cargo ship, and it has to maneuver out of the way as well. So just all this kind of happening in the in the dark of the ocean was a startling image for me to consider. Yeah. And you described these somewhat panicked sailors on the bridge who were trying to guide the ship. It's dark and they're trying to see things with lights from cellphones. Right. As the power goes out on the entire FitzGerald. Because of the force of the blow knocks out some of the generators. And so you have sailors all over the ship who are using cell phone lights from their cell phone images. There's some emergency lights that are kicking on. But it's been described to me that those lights were, you know, not enough to eliminate the entire ship. So you have people running for the darkness. Nobody really knows. What's happened? Keep in mind that too. I mean these sales role asleep, and nobody really thinks that they're going to be hit by gigantic cargo ship. So there's there's questions flying about where they attacked or hit by a missile. They go ground like is all complete chaos, and nobody is there's no easy way to figure out what's happening in these immediate minutes of the official because everything has been shut down was the FitzGerald and dangerous thinking, so what happens to the FitzGerald as it begins to take on water both in the sleeping apartments, and there's other compartments nearby. That are connected, and they all begin to take on water, and there's sort of these we got a hold of for instance, the deck logs, which would talk about we now have a tons of water and this ship, and we have five hundred tons of water we've taken on on in this area. And it's almost like building kind of count of how. The ship is becoming more and more hampered by the amount of water that's flooding, and they're trying to figure out how to balance the ship and its listing to one side and what finally happens is they managed to stabilize the ship enough. The crew does to block off all the flooding boundaries to get a little bit of power in one of their main shafts. So they can kind of move forward a little bit. And they begin bailing out the ship by hand because the the pumps are beginning to fail a pumps start working. And so for ten hours are bailing out one of the compartments by hand all effort to keep this ship righted and directed home under its most its own power. And that's the fourteen hour rescue mission where these sailors basically recover from incredible traumatic blow and are managed to pull together and get their ship back into harbor. This was a horrific disaster. But for a lot of people in the navy, you tell us it was not unexpected that for years up and down the command rinks there were. Were warnings about problems in the navy operation. So so let's look at the big picture. A lot of it. Of course was about resources money. What was the pattern in the ten or twenty years leading up to this that left the navy underresourced? So the navy had made a lot of decisions in the two thousand time period to get more efficient to try and find out ways to basically steer ships. And and man ships with fewer people on board by relying upon technology. A number of navy thinkers, admirals considered this possibility. And we're alarmed that with the name was doing is not becoming more efficient, but was actually harming itself in terms of its ability to be effective in its mission. And so when myself, and my colleagues, Robert federa Chee and Megan rose went to look at this longer term picture, the bigger picture of what had happened it became clear. There was a pattern where a navy internal navy person. Be it a three star Admiral or a high ranking civilian assistant secretary of the navy would come forward and say, we don't think that you're putting enough resources into not personnel. The. Raining those people and making sure those people have good equipment to work with. And instead your focus is mostly on building ships. And hoping that the crew will come later to staff up these ships and happened in we found reports dating back to two thousand and ten and earlier the GAO externally was also warning about the problems and manning training equipment a lot of the concern focused on what's called the seventh fleet. And the seventh fleet is the biggest fleet in the American navy. It's actually the most powerful armada in the entire world. It's responsible for checking the Pacific region and patrolling that area, and so it's considered to be like one of the most strategic one of the most important really one of those hotshot areas to work in because you're constantly actually deploying on missions to let's say go off the coast of North Korea and protect from missiles or go down in South China Sea and confront Chinese naval vessels, which are asserting their own territory there, so it's a very top gun sort of operating. Environment. But for the navy and so for this collisions to happen in the seventh fleet was one of the shocking things that was a sign that this wasn't just an accident. The citizens today one time occurrence that there might have been a pattern of neglect that had developed over the years, and that's really what we try to show in our second story. Let's look at some of these issues wanted to him the issue of shortage of personnel ships were being set out with fewer people than they had before. Why was there a shortage? Why was there a shortage the simple answer to that? Is the navy had not paid enough attention to putting people into warships in Japan. The focus was on maintaining worships here based in the United States rather making sure that the ships were actually out doing patrols on daily basis were filled. And so the the mantra over in the seventh fleet was really we can do more with less like we can get the job done. And we are takes we will get that job done. When the navy looked at that afterwards. That's certainly a good trend in general to believe that you can overcome adversity and get things done, but it can become dangerous if it becomes the norm accepted pattern is we are never going to have enough sailors. Our ships are never gonna be fully certified for missions. But we're going to go out and do anyway. And that essentially was what we found happened in the in the seventh fleet area. There have been a long time of of pushing these ships out without enough crew. And that becoming almost a point of pride. The ability of our navy to do that you cited one report that showed that destroyer crews used to be three hundred and seventeen sailors they were down to two hundred fifty four that's a big loss. Now, there are different ways to deal with the shortage of people people can work longer shifts or you can leave jobs simply unfilled did both things happen. Yes. There was a both things happened in this case, sailors, talk to us about working one hundred hour workweeks, for instance, on routine basis, just because that was the pace needed to operated at in order to compass the jobs they had and they talked about being exhausted and tired, and and uncertain of what it was that they were operating sometimes because they had enough time for training. You could also cut back on a number of missions that had occurred. That was the one thing that was not occurring as they were the same number of missions were being conducted by the navy with fewer people on their ships. They also made a practice of simply operating without some personnel. For instance, with the FitzGerald they hadn't had the position of of a senior quartermaster and a quartermaster in the navy is responsible for navigation on a particular shift. And so in this particular, case FitzGerald had had unfilled navigator position a quartermaster position for more than two years, and that was not unusual while. Reporting found it did happen the seventh fleet it did happen in other ships. But our reporting senses is uncovered this is kind of a navy wide problem that they are having to kind of fully ma'am, there ships with the right people. The right time is still a difficulty for them. And the quartermaster does a lot of training, right? Yes. This particular quartermaster position was responsible for doing a lot of the training of junior, enlisted, sailors. And so they were missing both the function of their job, which is helping to move the ship around. But also their emission the function of their job, which the train younger enlisted, sailors on navigation. No, you you're right about how the navigations and control and radar systems were increasingly sophisticated and digitized, and you really have to know what you're doing to operate them. And if you're short, a people and shifts are long training suffers how did that impact things? Well, so you saw for instance, the the number two officer on the deck of his trail that mate later told investigators that she really wasn't sure how to operate the radar office show that night you had lots of questions about whether or not the radars have been properly fixed, and whether or not the people who were using radar have been trained in a way to operate them correctly. For instance, some of the sailors that were the focus of the investigation were located in what's called the combat information center, which is a window. Let's room in the center of the FitzGerald from which a lot of the arms and munitions are fired. It's kind of like the heart of the worship part of the worship. And the people who are operating in the combat information center, testified and told us that they had never seen the approach of the cargo ship and tell a few very few minutes before the collision actually happened. So this is the warship which was supposed to be designed to be looking out everywhere and finding enemy targets and defending the ship itself. And they don't even see this. Ship on their radar screens till about ninety seconds, perhaps before that collision happens. So the sailors we talked to talked about their radar not working one of the navigational tools was being operated with a seventeen year old package of software windows, two thousand the different equipment on the ship. Couldn't really talk to each other. So they were lacking essentially picture of the environment around them, even though that's exactly what the equipment is supposed to do is create picture of the environment around them to avoid things like hitting a giant cargo ship t Christian Miller is a senior reporter for propublica. After a break. He'll talk more about the events aboard the US FitzGerald how the navy responded to the collisions and what the propublica team is hearing from other sailors about conditions aboard their ships. Also, jazz critic, Kevin Whitehead reviews, a New Orleans inspired album from drummer Herlin Riley. I'm Dave Davies at this is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from nature's way, make your of herbal. Implements from Oshawa Gonda to turmeric nature's way believes nature knows best. This is why since nineteen sixty nine. They have sought out. The best herbs the earth has to give and why they travel the world to the places where herbs grow best to ensure they always deliver the purest botanical possible. Find out more today at nature's way dot com. We're speaking with propublica senior reporter t Christian Miller part of a team that investigated problems in the navy that led to disastrous collisions between American destroyers and commercial cargo ships the propublica team found that for years crews on navy vessels were often understaffed poorly trained and working with obselete or poorly maintained a quick moment. When we left off Miller was describing problems aboard the USS FitzGerald that led to its collision with a cargo vessel that killed seven American, sailors. I have to say this is a really compelling description because he have in some cases, a place where a critical button was taped over that that I think had to do with tuning radar to focus in on a particular target. And there was another system where a sailor had to tap. I guess the refresh button a thousand times an hour to try and keep the picture in place. Yeah. When we sort of dug in some of the details of how the equipment was operating or not operating on official. That was a continual source of amazement that the in the state it was in. So they had had a piece of tape covering a button to help tune the radar because they had me able to find the actual button to replace it sailor who is operating one of these radar was having to essentially operate in manual mode, which requires you to continually refresh the screen and be able to understand the the ships that around you so record show that this guy had actually hit the refresh button a thousand times in an effort to kind of get picture of the environment around him. But even him doing that which is untested. He said he'd never seen more than four five ships close enough to pose a threat to the FitzGerald during the entire evening. And like everyone else he just didn't know what was happening when they're finally was a collision. It was the the last seconds that anybody was aware that there was a ship approaching them into ahead this right? That one of these radar systems didn't show any vessels nearby because they didn't realize they had had it set to capture stuff at a much larger distance. And so they really didn't know what they were looking at right. So the navy has pointed out that the training of these guys should have allowed them to understand what settings are supposed to be in effect when they're patrolling the night sees right? And when the navy looked at where the settings were for this particular radar system, they found that was designed look much further away than to look much closer in. Now. All that being said if the radar was operating properly, it's difficult to. Imagine. How exactly would have seen missed excuse me. A big cargo ship coming towards you with the law in setting or the near setting that doesn't really matter so much picking up a vessel that that close in that large, right? It appears that there were problems both with the equipment that was used to track and monitor navigate the ship as well as some of the people who were operating it. There's also then the question of who was actually in charge of the vessel. And you write that the captain of the vessel. Bryce Bentham seems to be a really good officer. He was not on the bridge that night. Just tell us why he wasn't there. And you know, what is instructions were what kind of crew was there to to command the ship. So captain Benson had taken over the fish chill out a month before during that month. He tried to get his crew up to speed to do some training. But there was constantly missions that he was having to go out and do so we have a lot of time. So in June seventeenth, the FitzGerald launches from Tokyo. It's on its way to South China. Seas captain Benson has been working kind of nonstop getting the to go he wants to get ahead of schedule. And you know, he's going to have an early morning. So he decides that around eleven thirty the ship is moving out past the heaviest traffic that's outside of Tokyo. And he decides that his crew is able to take over the ship ships travelling relatively less dense area of traffic, and he says decides that he is going to go and retire to his cabin because he needs the rest, basically, he kind of self assesses that he's near exhaustion, and he needs to rest prepared for the missions ahead of him. And did he have a crucial Wisconsin? In on the bridge. And so he had placed on the bridge a crew which was the result of having to juggle a lot of different decisions. He had placed tried to compensate some a weaker crew members with stronger crew members, and so you had a mixed bag on board the ship that night steering at the time of the collision. You had the officer of the deck who was attended g Sarah Compaq, her number two had said that she wasn't that experienced in actually using the radar on deck. There was another junior officer who is charged with kind of helping to steer the ship. He had was basically news and officer could be it was his very first night on job by himself without help. You had another sailor on in the bridge was actually the one who's person her hands on the wheel steering wheel who had never touched the steering wheel before. And so captain. Benson strategy. Here was to balance out stronger Shailer 's with weaker sailors under the conditions. He believes that he did the very best. He could to balance that that crew out to accommodate the the hand he was dealt which was a ship that didn't have enough crew in the first place the train was behind and there were problems with the radar all on the vessel. So given that those circumstances his bully that he was doing the very best. He could to balance out that ship. You have a situation where a combination of reasons I mean, the the people that were supposed to be aware of ships nearby are not and so they don't see this vessel until very late one thing that would help, of course, would be having people watching the see the shortage of personnel had an impact here. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. The other thing that especially for your listeners who are old time navy hams who our listeners to this show is that the FitzGerald the not. Post lookouts on the port side and on the starboard side of the ship and those port lookouts going back for generations are remembered by basically anybody who served in the navy. You always had somebody who's looking off with the right? Somebody's looking for the left and somebody's looking off in the rear of the ship. And that was their one job because of personnel shortfalls and because the juggling. He was having the do Kevin Benson. And other captains also certainly did this decided to forego having to dedicate a lookouts on other side of the ship. And instead kind of distribute that responsibility to the entire everyone who was on the bridge gonna be maintaining awareness of what's around you which that is tirelessly reasonable assumption to make but it is different than having one person. Who's one job? It is to look off to the right. Look off to the left look behind the ship. Those two positions were traditionally filled, and they have basically fallen away in the modern navy because. Because of the increased demands on ships because of the fewer personnel available. But also because of the technology. I mean, the belief is that the technology is there to protect the ships. Will you know, it's not necessary as it was when you had poor radars and poorer systems to have somebody just perched a looking out across the ocean. So you have the circumstance where Lieutenant junior grade Sarah cop is on the bridge, and suddenly she realizes that the crystal is much much closer than she expected. There's another ship that she thinks may pass behind the FitzGerald and she's got to make some quick decisions. What happens? So under the international rules, the gover- see traffic she's supposed to turn right supposed to starboard. And she initially orders the FitzGerald to go. Starbucks to avoid the impending collision the young man who is transmitting orders gets confused about some of those orders and kind of freezes up, the young woman who is actually has her hands on the control is also not certain what is she supposed to do. So Sarah, Coptic, realizing that orders are being carried out makes a quick change to dodge left and go in front of and avoid the oncoming crystal that was a calculation which goes against international maritime rules at goes against navy training. But it's what she felt that she could do to avoid this collision. It was didn't pay off. She ended up steering, right? Into the front of the crystal. And the crystal ends up hitting the front right part of the ship and in kind of dramatic turn Sarah Compaq to try and figure out what about she has space attorney. She actually runs out onto small deck which extends out in front of the bridge. Just in time to look up and see this looming dark superstructure of the crystal about to crunch into her ship, and she actually has to hold onto a metal instrument. That's out there to prevent from get tossed overboard by the impact of the collision itself. Two months after this collision. There was another one. The John McCain collided with an oil tanker. What do we know about what led to that? So this was what makes it apparent that? This wasn't just a one time incident that occurred on the FitzGerald that this is actually more of a systematic problem. And it's not just about the crew all I made mistakes. It's also about the navy and the and higher up positions by the navy in training and equipping the ships because one one point eight billion dollars short or being hit by a cargo ship is a black swan event incredibly rare has happened forty years for a second one to occur two months later this time in the straits of Singapore, very similar situation there. Pro ching, heavy traffic area this time. The captain is actually on the bridge as they approach another thirty thousand ton oil tanker in this case, it's called the Almac. They lose control of steering or they think they lose control steering, and there's confusion in the. Room. And by the time, they figured it out. They have actually pivoted themselves directly in front of the oil tanker the Almac which again hits the hits McCain punches another whole again a sleeping area. This happens. Accent happens early in the morning hours. And in this case, a lower sleeping berths fills. And this time ten sailors are drowned within seconds. T Christian Miller is a senior reporter for propublica. You can read reports of the investigation. He and two other reporters conducted into navy operations and the collision of the US FitzGerald on the propublica website, we'll talk more after short break. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Exxon Mobil, the company that believes that carbon capture technologies are critical for lowering global CO two emissions and more and more. Scientists agree as a leader and capturing emissions and its own operations. Exxon Mobil is working on ways to make this technology. More efficient and affordable for other industries as well. That's the unexpected energy of Exxon Mobil. Find out more at energy factor dot com. Movie season is here and pop culture. Happy hour has you covered for a guide for the blockbusters. You know about surprise bright spots. You might not we'll tell you what we are looking forward to what were secretly dreading, and what might sneak up on us. Listen now and subscribe t Christian Miller is a senior reporter for propublica. He and a team of reporters investigated some troubling issues. Plaguing US navy operations that contributed to two deadly collisions with commercial vessels in the summer of two thousand seventeen you can find their reporting with some remarkable graphics on the propublica website. So after these two collisions this was this was a big big deal. How did the navy command respond? So the navy after the second collision knew that this was much bigger than anyone ship collision had been and to their credit. The navy opens a number of internal and external investigations into what happened all the fall of two thousand seventeen which is happening after the McCain collide in August two thousand seventeen they released a series of reports and the kind of look what happened on the ship. What happened in the seventh fleet as a whole immense strategically on the highest of a what are the navy done or not done and the navy found that there were definitely errors and mistakes made by the crew, but they also sort of highlighted a number of problems that had existed in the big navy for a number of years, and they had to do with decisions that were made kind of cut back on the sort of face to face training that had occurred or cut back on the the radars. Replacing on these ships. Part of this was due to congress and cutting navy and military budgets in general. The parts was decisions made by the navy to accommodate and adjust to a smaller fleet. Even though they are being warned over and over again that they needed to reduce Alta. They couldn't keep everything the same. You can't run the same number of emissions without more ships and without more people. And that's essentially what the navy has been trying to do is try to kind of keep up a constant pace of missions into operate in a very dangerous world that we live in while the same time not addressing the fact that they don't have as many people as many ships to do it. So the navy investigates itself, and then it decides to do a series of accountability actions. Let's call them. They fire a number of individuals three star admirals to star admirals and they punish some crew members on the ship itself. You don't wanna read these pieces that you and your to co-authors road. I mean, you get the sense that. These were problems that were endemic to the navy for many many years and pointed out by commanders and studies and reports and so then in some respects, a disaster was not surprising. But I'm interested in how you got that story because military culture is typically pretty closed. I mean, people respect chains of command. They follow orders. How did you get people to talk? How did they start talking to you? So when the story began me and Robert for rucci and Megan rose all began to fan out to just talk to sources names, we had and we all had a similar experience, which is that when we would talk to officers to admirals, enlisted, sailors. There is a strong belief that the navy had not learned the lessons from these two crashes, and we were all struck by all of us are a Robert has reported on in law enforcement for many years Megan's report on the military. Her family is filled with military. I've reported on the military for many years as well all of us were struck by how aggrieved and upset people were about the way big navy had handled the lessons to be learned from this case. So that it's rare in my experience, at least that you get, you know, active duty. And and and non-active duty admirals willing to lend their names to story. It was critical of the navy and this case people were wanting to come forward with lowest wanted to come forward because they felt the navy and missed signs in the past that would have prevented these collisions from ever occurring. And I'm guessing you and your team have open lines of communications to sailors and commanders. What are you hearing from them about what's changing? So we did a piece kind of looked at some of the feedback. We got after the articles ran and a number of sailors have said, it's the same same thing. There are still sailors that are running one hundred hour work weeks in Japan ships might be might be sailing, for instance, with a full complement of sailors. But those sailors might not be trained in all the jobs. They're supposed to do. So it'll look like you have, you know, full ship fully cruise ship, but some people on that ship won't be able to do the jobs that they're supposed to be doing. We've heard that. There are ships are still kind of leaving without a proper parts all the parts they need, and they cannibalize them taking part from one ship and adding parts to another ship. So we haven't heard of full endorsement that everything is getting better on the other hand. Certainly there are sailors contact has to say they have seen some changes. Most notably in the training phases. Where you definitely have more time you spend now as an officer in getting certified to be a surface where officer which is the guys who steer our ships and fight wars with our ships. That designation is be takes more training to get that designated to keep designation. So you are seeing some people who are coming forward and saying, yeah, they've seen changes from this training. The biggest overall question is what is the impact going to be gone far enough? Have we done enough are the steps taken going to make for a better navy t Christian Miller, thanks for your reporting. And thanks for speaking with us. Thanks so much for having me on Dave. I really do. Appreciate it t Christian Miller is a senior reporter for propublica. He reported on problems with navy operations in two deadly collisions between navy destroyers and commercial vessels. Besides the demotions and discipline imposed after the collisions criminal charges were brought against six officers and enlisted crew members charge. That were recently dropped Miller reported on problems with the prosecution earlier this month, you can find that and his stories about the navy collisions reported with colleagues Robert federa and Megan rose on the propublica website coming up jazz critic, Kevin Whitehead reviews, a new album from drummer Herlin Riley. This is fresh air support for this NPR podcast and the following message. 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ZBT #134: What Really Happened on the USS Fitzgerald
"Today's. What are those days? Today's magazine is full as fuck bulletin number one. I'm triggered by military, bro. Instagram's star workout videos in my being a little bitch bullet number two an update from last week a sailor who was on board the USS Gerald when it was involved in a collision joins us to correct record from last week to long didn't read shut the fuck up about the piss bottles in the kettlebells bullet number three is a football player who weighs Aloha to haters who are but her about him leaving the naval academy for Notre Dame. Because he has a potential shot at the NFL bullet number four Steve Carell the minds behind the office are launching a new show space force. They got minute breakdown a black hole when this comes out not. So she said round five chaps triggered because again Kate called around bullets and the document. That's get this thing started. All right before we really get started with the rounds. I have one thing that I wanna say beginning I had such a lovely morning because my daughter had to go to a doctor's appointment that wasn't the reason why it was lovely. But my wife brought her home from the doctor's appointment, and I got to bring her to school. And it was like the gods were playing volleyball just set me up with a beautiful little buck set, and I could come in with the spike, I was going through the serious dial. And when you know it when I was about ninety seconds away from pulling into her middle school with people standing outside and get ready to go in the classes, kansas's lovely to carry on your way word son came on. So I. I took the bow speakers that are in my wife's Tahoe put them bitches on like ninety five percent road down all windows. So she's getting out of her car while it is Larry Larry, whether even whether even kids outside the school already started yet, they're outside it'd between periods of there's kids outside. They looked over to see what this music was my daughter's red hair with soon matched by her face of being ready. Hell and apple dude, straight up tackled chick monk driving all the windows down. I'm cruising down the road. So happy it put a little pep in my step. And then I got the chance to cook. The UPS driver parked in front of my house when I pulled in and I gave him it wasn't. He was a UPS driver. But he was in a u haul truck for some reason truck is parked in front of my house. So I get out slammed the door just look at it said, what do you do it? And he was like. Oh, sorry. I'm an Amazon driver just delivered. I felt like a big swing dick right before zero block thirty start. What other genes I am ready round? Number one. Let's go do you even lift sergeant. So I've been going back to the gym. And I think all of us have Kate you fell off the wagon a little bit, right? I'm I'm fully off. Now. Agan katherine. How are we doing with these New Year's resolutions in general, folks? I'm doing Tehran smoking drinking. I'm not at the gym. You know, this saw something this morning. We're recording this on Thursday the seventeenth. I saw something that the seventeenth is typically the day when most people quit on their resolutions, and dwell I re upped resolution 'cause we've been a member at the YMCA for a while. And one of the biggest issues is because I mean, surely like everybody else's listening to Q driving around doing ever, you're doing for your job. Everybody's busy Miwa MCA. Membership place is like twenty minutes away. And that's with no traffic. So it wants there is traffic in the morning. It takes me for ever to get there forever. And so then my one hour trip to the gym turns into a two hour fiasco. I don't have time for that shit there the day. So I wouldn't join another gym. That's like thirty seconds away from my front door, basically. It's right there. It's out for our up like access with a key card. You could get in do whatever you want to. Seven fifteen I was out of there by eight o'clock back in much year. Getting ready to go to the blog factory. And because I mentioned this because I've been scrolling through. I think whenever you get back into work out mind. I'm probably like everybody else were you scroll through any of the you find a new workout plan that you really liked that you wanna get into you. Go on Pinterest. You see different things on a much is in Butler after workouts that I've been nice on Instagram. But because I look for videos the post for zero block thirty a lot a lot of my curated content on Instagram will be military stuff. So military stuff with exercise. You get some douche bags backs big, you know, some of the people that are talking about. I mean, not not specific I know the type of person you're talking about, but I'll allow you to elaborate, but they're certainly interesting breed. It's just some of the stuff that they do is so ridiculous the most because without fail their captions are just do it some functional fitness, bro. Like motherfucker, you're taking a Phillips head screwdriver and turning a boulder into sand that not functional you're not you're not caveman. Now, we have these days it's like doing stuff and make sure that your lifestyle matches your fitness because you wanna be functional bitch. I'm not chop it up a whole tree with a fucking axe. I'm not doing it. I love this. I have central heat. I don't need to do all that stuff. I'm a huge piece of shit, and I'm still functioning, so you know, functional. What does that even made? Like, there's all these people that I imagine go back. I want a little time machine a little time machine in your head Kate there somebody in the gym first of all being in boots and utes and military gyms. I think it's frowned upon. Nobody likes those people know now, those are the people that are like, oh, man. Gotta get my lifting at lunchtime. And they're just littered all over the gym. But yeah, I'm with you, those people trigger me Kate. Did you go to the gym? They're like the actual, Jim Jim whenever you were in the Marine Corps off. No. I want to put it on the record. No. But whenever you go into the gym. There would be people and you don't like the boots and utes people in the gym. But these folks fitness people, they're not only in boots and utes. But now they're fucking videotape in themselves and onto this piece. I know that like video on yourself in public. You look like a douche bag every time you have a camera on your somebody has a cell phone in their film. And you do something deep in your mind yourself conscious about other people watching you. I can't imagine the level of douche bag Orie, that's deep within your soul. If you're on a military installation. Asking people to videotape you while you're doing flex arm hangs doing crunches and throwing your legs through the moon and doing all these different types of cross it fucking nights get outta town. You're absolutely right. Because anytime in the gym, I'm always so afraid damn it. I'm gonna do something that is going to land me on Twitter, Instagram and a million people. Gonna be laughing at me just the other day. I forgot athletic socks. So I had to wear my socks that. I wore all day purple somewhat. I tried to get in and out as fast as I could. So no one saw that I was wearing purple shame. And then on the complete other end of the spectrum. There's people if like none say, I don't like Jim shaming. But I told you the other day I'm over that. You know, if you wanna be in the gym. However, you want to be there doing whatever you wanna do. People should not feel uncomfortable to be all in. I won't post their face, but I will post their actions. If now I won't do it for somebody who's a fat body billion. Jim I won't do it for a fat body. If your big old muscle dude was spaghetti shirt tank top, oh, my friend. You are going to be on my Instagram count Twitter account that I can get I should clarify. I should clarify belittle people who are in the gym who legitimately are just trying to get better. And they're not necessarily trying to be a Harto. I will never shame them people. Like, you just mentioned chaps, whoever Dickey's outfits or who are doing ridiculous, quote, unquote, functional workouts? Yes, I have no problem shaming them because you have to know everybody in the gym has their phone. You have to know that somebody is going to take a picture of you or a video of you and share it with their friends and just completely viscera you to no end. So I don't know how you do those sorts of things. Let your freak flag fly. I that Brown gym crunch that log do what you gotta do. I'm here for it. I don't mind watching those silky slap around. Okay. In the building. Good. Oh my goodness. So I wouldn't post somebody's face if they were out of shape, but getting in shape, I will post your face. However, and listen, all you active duty bubbas out there. If you have a bad barracks cut, this is gonna be newsy BT policy your face going on the account, and I will not take it down. Never. That is a promise if there's a bad barracks cut. It's going up if you're being Dushi Jim brough vet guy in boots and utes. It's going up. If you're not supposed to do. It's not gonna post it. If you are boats news again, I don't like that shit. It's going up in it will not come down that is a solitary promise from zero block thirty Chaffetz on proud of you. Well know proud you also proud of you for joining the gym and eliminating that excuse because so often I think the biggest excuse people use to go to the gym is the time element. And when you factor in travel, plus the time spent at the gym, you make sort of all. All these excuses in your head as the why you're not going to the gym. So I'm very proud of you that you made it easier for yourself to not make excuses and not what you guys will. Also, be proud of me that I stuck to my promise because when I walked into the new gym for the first time, they had this big blackboard up there that said that the workout of the day, it's not across the Jeb don't worry everyone. I'm not going to be about it. It's not across the gym at all. But the workout of the day was the half Murph, which is running doing all these things. I looked at the sign stared at right in the face and said, I will never run. For his that. I have made in his promise that I will keep another promise that we will keep is we're gonna move onto round two last week. We talked about the US, it's Gerald. And there is a scathing report that came out that some of the officers in charge the senior listed personnel made some mistakes while we got contacted by a sailor who is actually on the ship for whenever this happened. And there was things that he told us in the messages that we didn't think about so this is my promise to you. If we talk about a story on zero block thirty in you're involved in it, or you know, people who are involved with it. And you wanna correct the record? We will one thousand percent give you the opportunity in like this dealer who's about to come on. Your name will remain private if you're on active duty, and you wanna come on the show. I am none of us on the team will ever tell any chain of command who what the fuck your name is. Because guess what? Folks, this time, we are real life journalist. Here's a saline from the US jail. I gotta say I fucking crush that. That was that was excellent. I was good. All right. So now thirty and this is that I want to try to do if you listen to one of our segments. And we discuss something that is going on the active duty military in you are involved in that incident by all means reach out to us. If we get it wrong. We will bring you on the show to correct it. Because I think that's important. We have a sailor who was on the US Gerald whenever the incident happened. Can you kind of walk us through? Why this 'cause you were pretty upset man when you hopped into our when you have to the dams on Instagram, you're a little upset. Well, basically, I saw I saw this new probe that came out and Gami odyssey. Pretty fired up in not alone in feeling fired up here as a lot of friends sharing sharing the article. But a basically they they were talking more opposite is big issues. But they were really highlighting the huddles and kettlebells and trash in in the whose combat information center, but CIC for short or combat which everyone. So I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that the report really highlighted on the trash because you know, like, I said in the end, the they're it's absolutely Jewish for their own to highlight that because. To get hit by ship. That's three times is a u just kinda put into perspective DG's about five hundred feet long. So for a ship to be three times that size to to to hit you start with a little love tap. It's it's it's a pretty violent collision. So when you're inside in the other hit you what happened. While auto bit before that, you know, I was I was kinda I was working. I was waking time happened at one thirty in the morning, and you know, just do my thing. And I'm sitting there, and all of a sudden, I could feel ships, you know, speed up. You know, you hear the engines really start to kick in and we start to turn really heavily. It was really it was one of those things where gut feeling just kinda kicks in and you know, right away. I knew something was wrong before I could slowly process that feeling we just got we got nails. Not reading really get a warning that collision alarm didn't go off is just all of a sudden. Yeah. So yeah, we went to general quarters for fingers loon, general courtes-, it's battle stations. I guess so you get assigned to go to a specific spot on the ship. Whether it be into a repair locker, which is where all the damage control equipment is is hells such as firefighting gear anything to, you know, go flooding toxic gas anything of of that nature. So we immediately knew that we had to to get to how long has to get there. Whenever that that alarm that sound goes off how long do you have to get there? Well, one general quarter. Learn goes off, you know, some real shit going on. So you kinda get there as fast as again, the end 'cause you you did training and stuff in you kind of prepare for things like like, you know, I don't wanna say like that happening because nobody thinks that's going to happen. Right. But but you kinda prepare for these things, but once things actually happened. It's just drown starts kicking in everyone's running all over the place. It was really it was it was chaos at the time ensure everybody can imagine right. But we're at general quarters for see it happen at one thirty in the morning, we didn't pull back into our home for. 'cause luckily we weren't that far from our home work when it happened. So we were able to get pulled back to our home port pulled by tugboats back, but we didn't get back and still think it was like seven or eight at night. So we were actively fighting fighting the flooding for you know, almost eighteen hours but found violating whenever, sir. I've never been on a ship. Neither as conser Kate. What is it looked like whenever you're fighting? Are you like fucking Gilligan's island with buckets shit like getting off or what are you doing? Well, there will there those pumps that we have and pumps they, you know, it's not it's not meant to you know, control flooding that big. But but one thing that the that they did for us to kind of keep us his they made like a bucket brigade where we have people going down to a space in crystalline when all down couple decks below and just toss buckets. So I guess there wasn't. His like. But you know, that that was more. So just to keep us busy. But, but you know, luckily, the watertight hatches doors really did the to terrorist doing it. You know, they kept really kept the ship sinking. So when did you guys know that you had lost sailors from what happened? So a kinda word kind got around the ship. Because when when you go to general is something seriously happening, they start to muster people in and into especially in like repair lockers, you have muster reports in the caught everybody's name. So if you're missing people, they're gonna know about it. And like I said everybody has their own spot that go to you know, when something like this happens. And if you know, if somebody doesn't show up, then you know, that kind of you know, raises red flags there. So, you know, came up, you know, one two three next thing, you know, or missing seven people in. When something, you know, DIGI, the cruise, you know, roughly like three hundred people that's not a lot of people at all really get to know people in. It's really hadn't impact on all of us in stola is it's really still impacting all of us today. And how many people were on the FitzGerald? I'd say it's probably somewhere three three hundred little while that also that's really small like that's not like company size for marines. Like, that's a real. No, basically, everybody on the ship for the most part at least in passing. Exactly. Yeah. That's exactly you get to know everybody's passing. It's just a big family environment for me. I mean I- breakfast when? SEC Iranian got promoted after you pass these so chief Rian Brexit every single day out to sea. So it's it's it was tough as something. That's that small community on a ship that size. Whatever you see the report like that, it probably makes it even little more personal right because they putting the blame on places that it shouldn't be is that that's kind of what I got from your DM's. Well, the initial report I mean, I took me a long time actually muster up the guts to read it. 'cause it just kind of brings everything back in brings back a lot of a lot of things. I don't really wanna have to think about. But, but it's what's frustrating is putting the blame on, you know, one person or a few different people. And you know, they're they're focusing on things that really don't don't matter all that much. And you know, this this this bigger issues within the navy that that led up to this that people don't really wanna talk about. I know you guys recently talked about sleep. And. Yeah, you know, I think the carriers are starting to implement a mandatory sleep schedules bad that really kind of that NAN is that it took till two thousand nineteen to figure that out like bats. Right. And also that, you know, seventeen people between the FitzGerald McCain. That's when they also kinda opened their eyes got shit. We should probably take cheaper look into this. But you know, the sleep is the big thing because that we just pulled out of our home port the thing technically the day before cause them we pulled back in a few days before just did a few minor repairs. Then we get ready to pull out on June sixteen and so we usually get ready to go under way. It's we leave like in the morning early morning. But for some reason that they end up pulling out later in the afternoon, so people obviously work in the whole morning. And then once we actually got out to sea. They started doing a small boat ops for they have a lower little bones the water, and they're going back and forth between vote into the shore. And also they were doing after that they did. Flight operations. So the had he goes flying on and off the ship trying to maintain qualifications. So that's obviously a huge huge evolutions. A lot of people are involved in. And you know, a lot of people that were doing those evolutions had to go on watch is the watch cycles, the the next one after that would have been the twenty two zero two or ten Panza to an these people were doing these Lucians up until, you know, seven eight o'clock at night. And then they go on to watch at nine thirty ten o'clock. And obviously fatigue is is a huge huge issue in the navy and assuring the rest of the military as well. Yep. And you you had a really another really good point. You're Dan that I wanted to bring up as well where you said look man, like if you have the ship at three times the size of you in it Rams into you things that were emplaced are going to be at a place that didn't even cross. My mind like didn't even cross my mind. A looking at it as a car wreck out in see like if you might truck is pretty clean. But if if I got into a wreck some fucking Cheetos and stuff probably gonna fly out from underneath my daughter's seen. I'm not living in filth has just the way. And his, but but no, you're right. And and what's what's frustrating is that they came on board after the collision to to, you know, make their reports to what not, but other minor detail is that we've got back into port. They told us all get everybody. Get off the ship. Everybody off the ship. We don't want you to be here anymore. Everybody did off because there was all ready Kazue's, plenty of other ships out in Costa important the time, and they had all sends over some people to stand by wait for us to get back in because they were gonna come on onboard takeover damage control efforts for us. So as soon as soon back they told all get off the ship. So obviously, our main priority was not to go back and clean up papers trash and piss bottles kettlebells Intel why the piss bottles were there. This is the big day tale. Yes. This is this is a big deal. So after the collision we we lost all power ship asked. We we lost plumbing. Right. So people had the pissing either in bottles on I was eating pissing down shower drains. You know, it's in again at general quarters. You can't you can't leave your spot you have to stay there. So for someone to take a piss bottle as tonight, that's totally acceptable in that situation. Especially absolute one, you cannot leave into it was no plumbing. They they had buckets setup in in random plate in showers. Just just ship buckets shit in the same toilets overflow. It was it was a second nest. So so for yes for people to piss him bottles at at that time, you know, that's totally fine in my book. And I'm sure other people can agree with me. But unfortunately, anybody with a rational brain would see that's not that's what that is the definition of what we call majoring in minor issues. I mean, that's not even. An issue to me like you have to piss you still going to have to piss you might at least. You're not this pissing straight up on the deck. Exactly in you know, headline hundred sailors had their Dixon vaginas overboard. Yeah. Exactly. But you'll that's the thing. They're going to focus on on tiny little things like that. And what was really weird to me is is two thousand nineteen. It's been over a year and a half since the collision. So I saw a pop up on Facebook. And kinda I was puzzled for for a few minutes hours. Like, why why are we still talking about this in a why why is coming up, you know? You know in. It's just frustrating, especially Hollywood bashing us making Zog like a bunch of it's yeah, that's gotta be imperatively flex reading. While. Do we appreciate you taking the time? Giving us the real story and. If you ever I can't imagine going through that with small community and losing seven of the three hundred. I don't think people realize how I didn't think about it until now like how impactful that's going to be for you as for a long time. So sorry. It connects you want one thing I wanna say to is guys talk a lot about mental health and mental health in the navy. It's a big issue right now. Because what I've noticed is that it's more so geared towards weeding out people that are of making shit up than it is to actually help the people that are really really seeking help my Iran too. I ran into trouble personally, but with doctors because especially in Japan, this one mental health unit in Japan for for the the large bay sets over there in Costa, and they're they're undermanned in their overworked. So it's a big issue that I think people need to look into definitely no doubt about that. Mental health care cross the board his gotta improve while, dude. I want to say your name. But I appreciate it. Get sailor for coming on the show in like, I said if you come on the show you will remain anonymous. I promise you that this episode. Are this round is the next round is going to be brought to you by our friends at kite. Are you tired of your vape always dying or losing extra pods unique tight? It's a new portable Vate charger, a pod case as compatible with Joel devices, whether you're getting ready for an all day tailgater all night already. Kite will make sure that you're always charged up gives you your vape up to three charges and holds three additional pods. Use the promo code barstool chaps on charter dot com. Enjoy thirty percent off today. Products are not associated or sponsored by jewel labs round. Number three. The football letter counts football. That's the great thing about twenty nineteen. We have played the last game. There's still always something to talk about in the college. I can tell Kate as excited to talk college football that it's favorite topic of all the topics we cover here on zero bug thirty. But now there's a letter that a circulating that was sent to a low Gilman who is a safety for the university of Notre Dame. He started his career at navy in twenty sixteen. He's from island Hawaii Navias well-known for recruiting a lot of players from Hawaii mainly because of their coaching staff and head coach, and he went to the naval academy and had a very very good freshman year, and this is back in twenty sixteen. If you remember we've discussed Zillow bog thirty the whole idea of academy players being able to go to the NFL and was back and forth. Are they allowed to do that the surfers and when he committed and went to navy in twenty sixteen rule was in place. Hey, if you're good enough to go to the NFL when you graduate. You can go while he was there that rule changed? So a low he said to himself. All right. We'll I think I might have shot because he had a very nice freshman year. Played in twelve ten. Twelve games was a force on the defense. So he opted out of the naval academy and went to Notre Dame where he sat out a year, and then played this past year and had a very very nice season. And is one of the best producers for their defense. Now, the problem with college football is that some folks take it a little too seriously. As was the case here when Lowy received the following letter that young Catherine will read to you now. Mr gilman. We must express utter contempt for you in your education and career decisions over the past couple years, you were honored with the highest appointment to the United States naval academy, and we're given a one year prep school scholarship because of your questionable academic record. And now, how do you think our great country for giving you a chance to serve you spit on the flag and transfer because you believe you can make the NFL wicker much more talented players than you receive their commission serve their country and went on to the NFL just watching you get beaten badly, totally embarrassed by Clemson. That shows your mediocre bist. It goes without saying your account. Our military's probably better off not having you -mongst its rights, but this probably accompany us throughout your life. We strongly urge you to commit to some form of service in the future. It'll help rehabilitate your image as well as give you a chance to tone. Sincerely, six veterans and college football fans. Okay. We'll thank you for that reason. There's a lot to impact here fancy. Southern man was snob. Yeah. Most definitely wasn't a hell Billy who wrote that. No, there's a lot. There's a lots pack your. I mean, the first of all is these guys are just complete losers. Because at the crux of this. These are adults that are berating kid. I think it was six better than women. Pasta. But see that that's one of my big problems with college football is because of how big the game has become an how commercials become you have these fans that treat these kids as if they're professionals in some sense, and they have no problem berating them and speaking ill of them, and they forget that they're just kids going out there because they love the game. Because you know, obviously, there's a lot of talk about to pay pay whatever that's a whole discussion. But they're out there because they love point football. And they're not trying to throw an interception. They're trying to miss a tackle. So the fact that these guys would take the time to write this letter is just absolutely sickening in my opinion. I think if you use the term coward and your not being sarcastic. Like, I tweeted last night that if Microsoft doesn't bring back Zun, they're cowards joking around about being cowardly Europe. Fucking loser. Like. A loser. There. You know? You don't sign your names on it? Roy say six veterans and college football fans guy, you're fucking name. Six veterans are going to be sitting around drinking a beer and be like, you know, we should do that motherfucker from Notre Dame. Let's write him a letter. Okay. I'll write it. No Bill, right it. But it's all right it together. It's not the continental congress. It's better to football. What my guess is. They were naval academy graduates for I can't imagine just random veterans would care this much about this kid. And you know, they they say like, oh, you know, you spit on the flag heated spin on the flagless. And Honey a kids. I think we're gonna too much saying at the end, there's no plural involved. This one person to believe that six I don't even know if it's veteran, I can see just being somewhat. I believe the letters real. I don't believe it was from maybe not. I don't know. I have a hard time. Someone hard time thinking somebody would care about this kid that much. But maybe I don't know. What flag? Let's that's ridiculous. Rewarded while if it is rights the transfer act? That's my thing because you talk to every player on the team you can talk to every coach, but playing football at one of the academy's is one of those things that until you're actually doing it for yourself. You cannot fully appreciate what it is like and how you will react to it. And I don't hate the kid had a nice freshman year realize. Okay. Maybe I could play at the next level. And then they changed the rule. You don't not everyone is meant to serve in the military. And that's okay. We talked about a couple of years ago, how the people that we want in our platoon in our fleet or the ones that really want to be there. So for him to realize, and he has this option is as you don't start the first day of class your junior year, you can transfer without any sort of penalty. So he didn't break any rules. He didn't need any exemptions. He just decided the able kademi is not for me. I don't have that commitment to serve and I'd like to pursue my education. Elsewhere that is completely fine in my opinion. Yeah. And maybe what maybe. One day. Maybe one day he will regret it. Maybe one day. He'll say he'll be you know, in his six-year nanna fell in Saint. Wow. That was the best choice. I made. So if you do regret it when you look back hit us up. I'm gonna keep the return address of this Mela. Will you could ride a back and say, you are right friend. I was wrong. I should've stayed got his school where I didn't really wanna go while term move on. Okay. It was me. I wrote that. Wanted to fire on give us a topic. I knew this reeked of you, Catherine. Round number five spaceport is being turned into a TV show, and how they are going to create it is the mind of the beautiful Steve Carell who is most widely known as Michael from the office. Let's get into this a little bit. On June eighteenth two thousand eighteen the federal government announced the creation of six major division of United States armed forces the goal. The new branch is to defend satellites from attack and perform other space related tasks or something. This is the story of the men and women who have to figure. And that was part of the trailer for a new Netflix series called space force, which is brought to us by the minds behind the office. And we'll be starring Steve Grell also be also be writing and producing it too. I was thinking that it would be them in like outerspace fighting aliens or something, but it turns out they're just gonna be doing the show based around the people tasked with creating the experience of the armed services. So it's going to be like, I'm really imagine. Steve Carell in like a like an office setting like doing stuff like that in that being successful. I, you know, I feel like he's done it before I feel this vague other sense it he's been there. Evan almighty. I'm. That's someone bringing a forty year old virgin or something you were. Anyway, I thought initially like, oh, they're going to be in space. Holy crap. But it is going to be pretty much like the office. But on the admin side of the military. I think as they try and go through all the red tape and all that which I mean that kind of stuff the jokes right themselves. If you've been in the military, or you've been stuck in some sort of government organization, you know, how ridiculous it is. So I think they're going to nail it and this'll be Corrales first TV role since he played Michael Michael, Scott. There's no release date yet. But I heard there's about twenty episodes that are gonna be coming out on Netflix. So really, I assumed it'd be a lot shorter than that. I think that place in order for that many. So I don't know. Yeah. I mean, obviously, as you said, the jokes are definitely the themes just the directions. They take this show or endless what I do have a big fear that people just because it is Steve Carell, and it's in. What it seems like very similar to the office. People are then going to compare it to the office. And I just don't think I mean, the office was transcendent TV comedy to try to catch lightning in a bottle twice and make that relevant and funny. I think is going to be a very very big challenge show. I have a slight fear that it could. I don't wanna I shouldn't say stink. But not live up to what people are expecting because I think the bars just so high. I hope the show opens, and it's all the same characters from the. Did it do space forces? Pam. All right. I think we all decided that's going to be the greatest show in the history of the world. Let's move on to save rounds. Alibis kate. Do you have any on a slightly serious note? I do actually it's very serious note. But ISIS has claimed responsibility for a deadly explosion that killed four Americans at least ten other people in the Syrian city of manned beach on Wednesday on sorry, man beach. I'm sorry. Sorry. I I'm here to kinda. Okay. I'll say it serious time. So just start hope this start over. I'm so sorry. Bread. So I just start okay? Isis has claimed responsive have say. On a pretty serious note. My saved round. Wednesday ISIS claim responsibility for a deadly explosion that killed four Americans. And at least ten other people in the Syrian city of man Bj, the American deaths included to u s servicemembers defense contractor and department of defense civilian the US. Command a statement said three other US service members were injured in the attack. So I think people are still waiting to hear all the names coming out of that. But pretty pretty awful stuff. I know there's probably a lot of families at home right now waiting for word on on how that's going. So just keep in my thoughts with with everybody involved in that. All right, absolutely conce and save rounds for you. Yes. So as I've mentioned, I know I've mentioned this the chaps. I don't know if I've mentioned it on here. But I've just recently started watching the west wing the gresh on the history of the world. My goodness. It is so good. I am just captivated by. So last night. I went to a concert that home had one episode left in season one. So I said to myself. Okay. I'll watch season a watch this season finale and then go to sleep now. Spoiler alert. Everyone knows the ending of season one. There was the assassination attempt and all hell broke loose. Yup. It was it was crazy. I'm sitting there in dark in my bed. I'm like, oh, my God has the president been shot has the president been shot who's got eyes on president Barlett. And then it's going nuts, and everyone scrambled. And then they walk around the corner. And then oh my God Josh's humped over Josh's meant shot. What is going on? I just need everyone to. Be supportive of me. As I go through the west wing. Now, it is intense. It is the table cons. Really really had to make my point is very very good show. So chaps thank you for finally can be teasing peas concept, buddy. It is it is it can you imagine going back to whenever never that show. I started in having to wait almost a fucking year. If someone's morning, yes, that's what I've seen. So the first season ends with the shooting. And then it just like goes to black. And you don't know what happened to anybody and season two picks up with everything that happens in the aftermath. But no, you're right. Like the fact that you that every single season not on shot. But like there's big time cliffhangers where you can't turn it up. I used to have when I first started watching it. I had the DVD's of the west wing. Yeah. And I it was like I had diarrhea fingers trying to. Can get it going. You know what I mean by diarrhea? Yes, go fumbling around. All your belt. Buckle years. Trying to get it out real good. Good. Dave round. We're gonna get Sambre against right about that. If two separate quick bring us back down. My favorite round is bad ass of the week. There is an air force Colonel medal von recipient. Joe jackson. He died this week at the age of ninety five in what a full life you lead. He flew over one hundred combat mission in three different wars. You is listed more war to it went on to become a pilot in an officer after saving aircraft. He caught that caught on fire. Mid flight. The pilot did note to do he turned around Joe who is the young enlisted guy at the time. Instead, you gotta figure this out. He did it. They landed the plane in everybody survived on that flight, then he went on and served as a fighter pilot in the Korean war. And then at the age of forty five volunteer to go to Vietnam. So here's a three war veteran and three of the most brutal wars at American ever fought in. And it was at that time that he earned the medal of honor. We don't wanna spoil it saying what happened. So we have Joe in his own words. Explain what happened on the day that he received. The medal of honor. Here is the late. Colonel jill. My name is Joe Jackson was in the United States Air Force. And I retired. As a Colonel. Decided to go into service to to learn a profession all my life. I wanted to be an airplane mechanic. I enlisted in the army corps in March of nineteen forty one. One day, a friend of mine was supposed to fly a flight engineer on a b twenty five and he came to me. And he said, I don't feel well would you would take my flight? And I said sure so during the flight the right engine caught fire and the pilot turn around and ask me what I wanted him to do for the fire. And I said, well, you feathered the engine when he did that to fire went out. So I got to thinking about it. And that's what you know. In fact, I don't know what to do when you get an engine fire. I know what to do to get when you get an engine fire. So I'm just just mart as he is. I'm going to vote aviation for that training. That's what it is. Tenant Colonel Joe m Jackson officially became a pilot in April of nineteen forty three. He spent the rest of World War Two as a gunnery instructor then flew one hundred seven missions as an f eighty four fighter pilot during the Korean war in nineteen sixty eight at the age of forty five he volunteered to go to Vietnam where he flew a see-won Twenty-three light transport plane as a commander in the three hundred eleven air. Commando squadron may twelfth nineteen sixty eight who tended Colonel Jackson was engaged in a routine resupply mission near the demilitarized zone. I wasn't scheduled for anything unusual that day. I was supposed to fi- normal routine cargo mission. But when I got to chew live. I got a recall to return to denying for a special mission. We were told that the special forces camp Cam dot was being. Overrun by superior North Vietnamese force, and we were supposed to have with the evacuation Cam duck. Does it was was being over on? When we check Dan was the airborne command post. They told us to go down to the south west of the field in orbit, and they would call us when they were ready for us because they had several airplanes in front of us. So we did. The first C one thirty that went in had all four of its engine shot out while he was on the final the second airplane took on a load of two hundred versions and right after takeoff shot down and all on board. We lost. The third airplane landed a few survivors got on board then transport team under heavy attack from all sides, and he took all. And left three combat controllers on the ground. And. It reported to airborne command posted he picked up the last of the survivors. And. Command post. Call the fighters and says, okay, fighters you go in and and destroy the camp, so whatever's there can't fall into the hands of the enemy. So they were going in to do that when the file call and said, no, no, he just left three men. Combat control told team off the airplane. By this time. It's getting pretty dark clouds all over the place, and whether it was really deteriorating badly airborne command post call and ask foos any anyone into a Senator that couldn't go in and take those guys out, and I was looking out the window. And I knew exactly where they were. So we called and said Roger we're going in. And. From nine thousand feet started a. Freely steep landing approach Beyer speed was right at the maximum for that configuration. The rate of descent hit the limit on the instrument. So I don't know how fast going down from nine thousand feet. I lost all of that altitude in a two hundred seventy degree turn rolled out on the final approach about just about a thousand feet from the end of the runway and was able to touchdown within the first hundred feet of runway. So I was lucky sky in the world, I was able to stop that airplane. Exactly opposite the three guys that were in the ditch and they started running out George airplane, and as they're getting on board. I'm looking back and co-pilot goal out. Oh my God. Look at that. And one hundred twenty two millimeter. Rocket had been fired directly towards airplane and it's skidded down to runway and broken half and stopped right immediately in front of the nose wheel of the airplane. I mean, really really close it didn't go off. So again, the luckiest guy in the world. Loadmaster call. They're all on board. Then took off in the opposite direction. And as I was was taken off automatic weapons and small arms fire was was directed front of me from both sides of the runway, we got off the ground safely. And really, you know, they were two miracles there that after one is that you were able to get in and get out safely and the other one is it was not a single bullet hole in here. When you receive the medal of honor of your life changes, and it changes dramatically. I have to represent the thousands of Americans have served their country. Make them proud of what you have done it what they have done. And that's a tough job telling tell you. You can be anything you want to. It's a matter of choice, and one of the things that was taught to me by my mother and the minister was it. Regardless you, always do the right thing. How can you tell what the right thing to do is my philosophy is that have all the options that you have available to one you most would not like to do. That's probably the right thing. Recycle sip this. My laptop charger wasn't working for some reason. And it was about to die. That's why stepped away. That pissed. Have you seen those Facebook page is people drink their own this? Oh, dude. I wrote a blog about it. But I didn't post it because it was too weird for a Saturday morning. There's your. Therapy. Just posted a blog about dude. Injecting semen into his own blood. And that one's weird. Tell you what I might post it today. Fuck it because I don't blocked at. So I might just posted up urine therapy. The lady who drinks her own pissed is if you want me to send you a picture, myself chugging this thing. No, we have the video. All right here. We go.
ZBT #344: National Guard Soldiers in DC Eating Worms And Metal Shavings
"It's a friday edition here on zero blog thirty and today we have five rounds in the magazine round number one national guard. Soldiers were sickened after food. With worms metal shavings and some raw meat on wednesday. I went scorched earth on twitter. Just to make a point. I went after the sergeant major of the army. There's some stuff. I regret about it and their stuff i don't. We're going to talk about that in round number one number two. There's an acronym to end all acronyms and we're only really discussing it so we can hear kate read it and if enough phonetic alphabet around number three for round three. Oh sorry guys can't keep my eyes open well. Hey that's perfect. My friend because round number three is about sleep deprivation in the military which gave is sleep deprived. Because she's the one that wrote that joke and wasn't ready for it number four over two yards chaps. You're sorry my taste to read that script as fast control. Nobody had to tweet at me to take responsibility for that mistake. I just fucking did it right there. Number four bend over and let me see inside. That brown starfish. That's not me talking folks. That's china who don't care about your vagina but need to swab that but the story is nuts and finally round number five thai navy sailors. Save cats off of a sinking ship this week and the photos of those rip fellows in the waters with kittens on their back. We'll give you a wet. Percy and all that today is going to be brought to you by our good friends at oh shit. I lost the ad. Dammit note here it is got it. Canine pro gear. Can i program. Yes i love this gear. It is great. They have the olive drab. They have tan coyote tan. If you're talking. And by the way coyote tan makes me think of all the wolves that are getting shot up around the country. Did you see what that was about. They had like wool. Must be wall season. I didn't know that there was a season. I didn't know there was either. 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Which because they use after pay on their website as well you can do that and free shipping on any order over seventy five percent or five dollars make sure you go to kenai pro gear that an in a e pro gear dot com with promo codes e bt fifteen for fifteen percent off. Let's get started with the show off art before we get into the topic of the day. I had something that popped into my brain for the first time in a long time. And usually i would say at this point. We've done. what three hundred and fifty episodes or something like that. Three hundred and fifty something seventy three sixty. Jesus a ton of episodes with a ton of time. So i think i've pretty much exhausted. First time stories have taught just about every first time story. I can except for this one. I was laughing to myself and my bathroom brushing my teeth the other night. Because i don't know where it came from but and i was doing it a little bit before we started recording. I love commands that. Have the gap in between like win. For instance the parade rest command whenever you're giving the cadence for parade rest pa and then you have the pause mart arrest and you say rest i would. We're in boot camp. We always go forward. Do you have anything that you would say. kyle do. You remember what you guys would say. No i don't remember a whole lot of that stuff you know. I don't remember either but you would have like so you would have people say full words. Stand tall lee back are full word. Move bitch get out the way. Well the other day. I was thinking about it my platoon. We lost this. We'd lost this competition. Were doing the obstacle course which is a big thing like the opposite of course day. Boot camp are the days. That's when the starters are like super into it. They want you to do well. They're like cheering you on well. My platoon came in last and not just last year. We came in last by like ten minutes. And that's terrible because one of the kids. Pfc winter the same kid. No more dr pepper. Gunny if you haven't heard test or go back and listen to that kid stood on top of the eighth frame like stairway to heaven. He was up there for ten minutes. It wouldn't move slide of heights like private pyle there. Yes and he didn't want to move at all so we lost by like ten minutes and the drones sector was pissed so whenever we got back he was like you guys. Don't say stand tall. Lean back you. Don't say move bitch. Got the way you say. Booger platoon for the next week. You're saying nothing but booger platoon. So it'd be like fo word blue platoon doing it over and over. Because i had the oral b. toothbrush bogere platoon speaking of a stolen valor. Katie so no shit there. We were all snug in our beds last night and we get a text from gate. Hey what's this rank and the it was shocking. There's not much that happens real anymore. That shocking but kate sending a picture of a clear first sergeant chevron and then not not knowing the hash marks. I love it. I think that's a great balance from me. Remember every single ditty to kate. That doesn't remember anything. Shows that for some. You're able to move past it and kind of have that dump of your brain and some. I think i'll always be saying booger platoon. I was watching. Johnny's soon. Nami last night on disney. And they're the one guy's dad is in the marine corps stationed in vermont. And by the way then they get moved to iceland. So i don't know how accurate but he came in and he had all these stripes all over sleeves and i was like man. I don't remember what the hell is. This is years every four years. You get one. I thought it was five. Screw that up to you that you got screwed up there because you were an mp on a five year contract and enlistment right so screwed me up but anyways yes don valor. Katie strikes again calms one. Who told me about the marine corps. Rank was so. That's roughly for me. It's fine you're doing great. You're and also. I think you have now from essentially like two or three weeks ago for the next eighteen months you have a great bill excused if you forget anything. Sorry i'm not getting much sleep because of the baby because the baby newton and it's wonderful minute treat. I've been using it already so absolutely all right. Let's move on into round number one. You want to do with a little introduction for this. A little bit of context before we get into it. Chaps was a was a man on a mission this week on twitter on social media and caused quite the stir as i think you should have But more than a dozen michigan lawmakers troops with the michigan national guard have been served badly undercooked raw and moldy. Neal's some even filled with metal shavings and we also saw photos of worms coming out of the food according to the detroit news. A soldier reported to one of the michigan lawmakers last month the multiple soldiers have been getting sick and vomiting after eating that morale is very bad. And it's not just limited to michigan guardsmen. One lawmaker said troops from other states. Say the food situation has improved but is still far from perfect again. This is all because congress has kept a watchful eye on the guard since the attack on the capital on january six especially after the photos of all the national guardsmen in the garage that big parking garage and all this other stuff but the photos of the worms and the metal shavings and reports of soldiers in the hospital from this shit garbage moldy food not great really really not great so chaps. Take it from here. Yeah so i had those moments on twitter where. I will read a couple a couple messages here. There and i am unaffected by it. Like where somebody will tell me. I suck dick a terrible writer. I'm not funny. And if i see like onesies twosies every hour. That's a good day for me too. It's a good day. If i don't have that this one already in a little bit of a mood because i had missed final jeopardy jeopardy then within like twenty minutes i saw i saw like three or four in my three or four. Different people. Coming up be like. Hey there's several people sick in my platoon. This is what we ate and it was clear that is that different spots because you could see like the background of the room so it was clear it was in different locations that they were getting this food and i was like you know what this is fucking bullshit. Because it wasn't just if it was just last night that it happened. I could understand a little bit more. You know if it's an isolated incident and something happens. I mean you go to a nice steak house. Sometimes you can find like a roach and your food or hair in your food or something. That's that's just comes with doing business in the food service industry. I'm abrazos at the I guess i shouldn't say maybe. I ll the new york athletic club for breakfast one morning. A hair my omelette knock great fixed it but still you wouldn't expect it there. yeah And so they had these issues that were going on. And i thought this is going on for too long once a week. That should be fixed. Like we have the ability in the military to be anywhere in the world in twenty four hours and we always tout that ability you're in the capital seat of the free world in washington dc. It'd be more understandable if you were in afghanistan or if you were doing training and indonesia and you have to rely on the logistics from several other foreign countries. Get your food in. I would understand that a little bit more when you're in washington. Dc there is absolutely no excuse for logistical options are a logistical fuck. Ups of any kind. Like you're right there. You can get anything you possibly want and if you do have one. There's options to fix it immediately. Yeah there is so. There's only one person that i thought i could really tagged. That would make a difference and you can't go share. The chief of staff could have made it the second secdef but in my opinion what i think. The senior enlisted advisor to the chief of staff and the subject matter expert for the entire enlisted corps essentially in the army. That's the major of the army and it was multiple units. That was happening. So i couldn't really contact the sergeant major of the unit of michigan or the unit and minnesota are the in virginia. So i went and tagged the sergeant major of the army and a lot of tweets over the last over about a twenty four hour period and gained a lot of traction. And there's a lot of people that were appreciative that we care like the zero thirty cares and one. It's because if you're not looking after the east sixes and below are really fives in below. You don't have a future of your military really like that is the future of it and if you treat them well they will start to know how to treat. Their soldiers marines airmen and sailors. Well that's what you want to see in leadership is make better i at this art major and there is some things that i regret about it one. I wanna make. It seem totally paint with a broad brush. That he doesn't care about the troops at all. Like i think you don't rise to that position without having at least some level of care of your soldiers. There's no doubt in my mind. He cares about and loves his soldiers. Yeah no that's for sure. So i he had told me in. A dm published all the dmz. I i really went to the dave portnoy's school of online conflict and just started posting everything that i was getting and he said that he would make a statement about it in the morning. Well that statement didn't come so i started tagging them again putting that in there eventually he did make a statement and he said that they understand. And it's getting fixed. I actually talked to people from army headquarters yesterday. And they were telling me that they hired a bunch. More food inspectors. They hired quality control people. They did all these different steps and then they made the statement about it which is fine and good. The difference of opinion here is that one of the people that was in army. H q said that the sergeant major does not like to go on in attack individual units themselves. If it's a widespread army unit thing are widespread army like some of the company. Commanders were not allowing their troops to have access to work out equipment during quarantine. He'll address that as army as a whole but he doesn't want to go after an individual unit. Because that sergeant major commander look bad. I get that and i think that oftentimes that's appropriate but when there's a situation like this i don't think so. I think when you have multiple commands across multiple units. At least come out and say we know especially if you can walk there from your office and you don't even have to throw anyone under the bus as the highest ranking enlisted member of the army. You can just own it yourself now. That's that's a tough one to own a bad look. Our soldiers reading worms and metal shavings and. It takes a lot of courage to stand up and say. Hey that's on me. When clearly like i don't think the sergeant major had a hand in serving those meals so the fact that there were metal shavings and worms. Was somebody else along the way along the chain of command that dropped the ball. So that's not necessarily on him but i think it was his. I think he went behind the scenes and he was sprinkling stuff for sure yes. Kate actually sent me video with one of those cheese graders and nothing but a big ball of steel exactly. Yeah i think though that is one of the hardest parts about leadership when you have to assume responsibility for other adults. It's like one thing when you're apparent you have children and kids are going to screw up. You've got to say like. I'm sorry that's on me. It's my good but when you have other adults that you put leadership positions and presumably have reached those leadership positions because they are deserving of that position. It is a very tough pill to swallow. When you see other people screw up and you say. I just have to say you know what this is on me and i'll fix it and it really. I liked the sort of major. We had a great conversation when he was on the show. And it was just a little disheartening to see that it took chaps going at him as hard as he did before he released the statement as soon as the first story comes out that this is. What's going on with your soldiers boom statement at you know. Get with your mayo. Figure out what you want to say. Say something right away. Because that's the other thing. I do think he was probably working this problem behind the scenes but let everyone know that you're working the problem because when you say nothing we just assume it's not on your radar or a lot of people assume it's on your radar and that's that's worse. Look than having something. Screw and i actually disagree with the that. It's hard to take responsibility. I think that's one of the easiest things you can do. One always looks good on you. Like people know like people that are in actual charge people that are sitting on the outside. They know like if you're the senior enlisted advisor to the for the entire army. They know for sure war. You're not responsible for procuring food. That's not your job but if you take responsibility it show one. It's leading by example it's transparent. It shows all the things that we harp on his small level leadership that we want see. Take responsibility for your soldiers. You have to go out and be really proactive. And what you're doing and the thing that was funny. I know this are major was mad but we did essentially what disarm major of the army does to unit every single day by day. Do that every single day if something happens and the sar major of the army or the major of the marine corps and you call an individual unit and you say i want this information everything stops until they get that information everything and we essentially use that tactic to the advantage of the troops that were on the ground i said in a blog that i wrote that i wish that it would have been so easy at the onset of everything if the sar major just went on twitter and said listen up everyone in dc. We hear you. We appreciate you. We are doing and we'll do everything possible we can rectify the situation. Your command team takes full responsibility for what you're going through right now and i will not rest until it's rectified. Feel free to use this platform to send your concern or individual small unit update. I want to know. I need to know my roles is serve you while you serve the country that is forever grateful for your continued sacrifice in time in the meantime. Here's a booklet for ten coupons. Each to talk about for each of you. You know someone. Everybody gets a free haircut today. Feast yeah exactly great. Something fifty dollars. Estelle store everybody come by. I understand everybody's angry. Come by you get to arrive alive cars. It's time you have to in your pocket. Exactly nice little treat for but hopefully the morale improves now that they see that leadership does karen things are gonna change so you know they reached out. I was also glad that some congress people were proactive and saw what was going on. And they're doing stuff that is it is nice to see people actually care and you have to care you have to on a more macro level. I think people are forgetting that we still have guards there in dc. It breaks my heart to see that we have a chain link fence and some on the border. We don't ever talk about that shit. Yeah it's it's unbelievable when it's not the front page story. It's not the first story on the news that night. How quickly people forget the so many members of congress very quick to go take pictures and a look at me and out-pizzas while now they're eating worms where are you now senator. So and so. They're on fucking twitter and saying that the other party is responsible like a bunch of idiots. Yeah like massin cross was doing it fucking who was there is somebody else that was talking about how if it wasn't for extreme right-wing people that are being coddled by the gop that they wouldn't be they wouldn't need to be there in the first place. Stop the partisan bullshit just like this is an issue that needs to be addressed address it address it like grown people. This is like they are just fucking toddlers right now on congress curious how. How can any adult look at the national guard in our nation's capital and that's okay. I don't care how which party you associate with. Why would you think. That's okay. For if i if i had to put an acronym on it i'd say snafu i goodness which means what situation normal all fucked up speaking speaking of acronyms folks for round number two. We have pau soldier. Wrote this and i think that paul i. I mentioned this on twitter too. Paul is unbelievably talented writing and writing news stories and still making them funny and entertaining while going through the information that he needs to. He does a great job with that so he found this acronym i guess they had a the pentagon released a statement and kate. What is the phonetic alphabet of the newest acronym in the military candy. Candy nicoderm igloo donald. Donald cat cat. Sue slob apple apple pecan washington swab vasectomy cat sugar apple. That's right for those little keeping score at home that see n. I. d. d. c. c. s. a. w. s. v. c. s. No one in the world will ever that honestly. It sounds like one of those nerd competitions that you occasionally will see of people that are reciting like how many numbers of pie can you go through. Can you use it in a sentence. Please yes i knew. When i was going through school i had to study the c. I d d imagine if you were speaking to somebody and they started busing that out. You would think they were having a fucking stroke. Yeah absolutely crazy. Town introduced that one. It actually means the commission on the naming of items of the department of defense that commemorates the confederate states of america or any person who serve voluntarily with the confederate states of america. Were oh my god. That just sounds like when you start like it. Sounds like they went into their iphone and they said commission of naming and then when it has the auto pike the words that come up at the bottom where they just kept smashing like the first word in the middle of the sentence. And that's and that's what showed up. Was that big ass acronym but it's essentially about being having the symbols from the confederacy removed. And the nick the names of the basis and the gates and all that stuff at fort hood and fort bragg being renamed by january twenty four. Like as crazy. And you have to be. They are going to have. They might even have gender-neutral heads at marine corps before the army's able to go out and change the name on the front well there's twenty-something letters in this acronym there's only eight people in the group that's assembled to get rid of these confederate name spy january which is what would their initial january twenty four th just call doug. He's one of the eight guys that are vixen. This hey acronyms aside. At least it's finally happening. Th army has argued for years against changing the names of its post since soldiers who fought against against the united states during the american sills won't even claim the naming of installations in honor of braxton bragg general in mill advisor to the confederate president john brown gordon a confederate major general reputed leader of the kkk was done in the spirit of reconciliation not division surgeon. Yeah but the times. They are a changing while a once secret. Study carried out by the army found that racism may not have played a major role in naming decisions several posts were linked to advocacy groups. Four confederate veterans. That coincided with a resurgence of the kkk. so and as we know don't have to explain it too much. Kkk not great. bad actually bad. Yeah actually super bad so now what should have been called. I think paul's giving the apple matic's commission which is now instead like scooby dooby twenty madison mission. You could remember that. Yeah but it now serves as perhaps the most unpleasant acronym and military history and when lawmakers are going toe to toe against shorthand like usa jfk s wcfsd fa. See that's really saying something. So horrible acronyms in our military. Paul went on to describe some of the other ones like dildo an abomination like peo-. Am and that one stands for plan of action and milestone and paula has the contention they could just simply called that a plan also known as a plan. Their acronyms are all across the military. And i saw one this week. Where you have different spokesman these people that are they have a tough job. They really do like getting information out making it accurate making it sustained without any type of political fodder anywhere in in just a blanket statement. Well one of them that is over. I believe it was the. Us central command. They were talking about what happened in iraq this week where the there was. Missile strikes that bombed on assad. Well they said that it was was responsible for the possible injuries or buildings that were injured can mean any number of things like mean israeli defense forces or it could also mean indirect fire. There's a time and a place for acronym and if everybody doesn't know the first time you use it in and like a paragraph that should be api rules you have to spell it out for side. You can't just use idea. It can mean a multitude of things. You can't just assume that people are gonna when you're talking about. I don't know maybe we just because we always have to complicate things in the military. I don't think this needs its own separate commission. This needs at most a one day conference. Get everybody in rome. Your up launch you. Sit around you already know the ones that need to be renamed you brainstorm you come up with some new names easy peasy and you get out of there and you're happy hour friday. I don't need an entire commission to think through this thing. We know the places that were named after certain people were bad. Okay identified make four face. You're done all of them. Forty mc fourteen simple or happier for four two number. Yeah the everybody knows that you just number stuff. It's super easy to remember him uttering acronyms that you still still use in your everyday life bar. I do occasionally snafu. I'll use i use snafu in blogs sometimes throw it in there Jj did tight buckle. Something i keep my heart. And all times i always do bamsey. Oh boy justice judgment understanding dialect fussell's honest to god it's bravery it's about time we just let everybody know. We came on the side of the rose from africa and has never seen our military and coyotes photoshop scriptures to different afghanistan magazine. Really good at it. Unbeliev uses faceswap. It's incredible i use sit rep a lot with certain friends who know it that way you can just text them sit reptilian say like hey i sit. I've done that. I did that to somebody the other day one. Oh it was somebody that was buying shit off of facebook. Marketplace in common is that sit rep. What could be here and there just like question. Martin bats not. Everybody knows that that was a big adjustment for connor. And i when this show. I started like trying to strip ourselves of any of those type of words that people don't understand. Oh yeah translating it is. It's like speaking a different language and you can also. I don't have a really smooth segue into this ad read. I'm going to say this is simply safe. You have thirty minutes. You never have to worry about a break in to your home ever again. That's how quick and easy. It is to set up a security good. Oh i do use that one sometime to like if kelsey or somebody is going to a park. Kelsey likes to read the electric scooter. Scoot goof to one of the neighborhood parks and she's like i want to come back. Can i come back at like nine. And i said how is it going to be at nine. She's like all the way dark. I was like we have to our and this guy's globe out. You need to have all these things are bad news. They don't call or anymore at least in the marine corps is just risk management. Now they they lopped off the. Oh sorry are that doesn't have the same possess in makes me think it does have possesses the simplisafe dot com slash. Deal that you're going to get. You can easily choose the exact sensors you need or get help from one of their experts. They'll get to your house in about a week. Which means by this time next week your whole family can go to bed without knowing with knowing. Your home is gut being guarded. It's easy to assume everyone in your house already feel safe but they might not in. It's worth to talk about and simply safe is a small easy step to make sure that everyone feels safe at home. Go to simplisafe dot com slash today. To order and customize your system and get a free security system camera you get a sixty day risk-free trial so there's nothing to lose that simplisafe dot com slash z. Bt let's move onto round number three. This one's a little bit of sleep deprivation. This is the second time and our second or third time in the last two months where the military's releasing these reports. And i'm like why the fuck are you doing a report on this they did want about. Is there racism that happens in the military. Yes i check like. You didn't have to have a full out report about that. We know it sexual assault. Is that a problem. Yes absolutely is. A problem is sleep deprivation of problem. Yes but here's another report and we're going to go through just a little bit. Because the dod issued the report that says the study of of sleep deprivation readiness and members of the armed forces also known as s e s d. m. f. goal and this part in the report so further reports only figured out the acronym for the report. They haven't done any other research yet but they did do a review of relevant scientific studies which revealed that sixty four percent of service members are not getting enough sleep compared to twenty eight to thirty seven percent of civilians. So can i ask you guys why you think that is the hours we keep. What's what do you think the main reason that people are sleep deprived video games and rip. It's smoke exactly right. I was gonna say mostert video legitimately think that's it because there's not very many unit stateside or conus that have continental united states. That don't have the ability to get eight hours. That just doesn't happen. That often right. You don't see units consistently having their people work from zero six to like zero to now. That doesn't happen. You're not at work that you're going home. You're choosing not to in a lotta ways. The army is in nine to five. When you're when you're not deployed is nine to five in a lotta ways minus skit in their early for but usually go is very different because the honor deployment. I could totally see. That are if you're under way you're out at sea that's when those problems start really existing because they have to do the twelve hours on twelve hours off and if you don't have if you're working twelve hours and you'll have twelve hours off. You still want to have some semblance of who you are as a person. you still want to watch netflix. You still want to jerk that old pain or you want to flick the bean. You wanna do whatever you wanna. Do you wanna crush the monsters. And you can't do that because you're not going to be sleeping right. Yeah it's not great though. It's definitely i mean. It really does lead us problems. I've talked about on the show. But i was on a convoy. Wants coming back from the field where we got no sleep on this field up at all like they kept us up and on the way back. One of our guys fell asleep at the wheel and drove the humvee off a cliff with a bunch of people on the back of it so not great like we were stopped. We were so tired. We were stopping. Like i remember stopping a green light happy and like wait a minute. Hold on it makes you. It's worse than drunk driving. Like fucks you up. Yeah and that happens like even just driving normal. You know like there's been hundreds of times where you drive down the road on a road trip. And you're like whoa. I remember anything about the last ten mile. I think that is the worst feelings when you're driving at night and you're tired and trying to see a week. That is horrible horrible and bad. Things obviously really do happen. Part of the reason that this study was commissioned is because there's two separate collisions 2017. Seventeen between us destroyers and commercial vessels were killed seventeen sailors. I know we've covered that. But seven sailors in june twenty seventeen with the uss fitzgerald then ten sailors on the uss john s mccain both destroyers sustained millions of dollars in damages but of course worst of all the loss of life there in response to change its policy to on duty schedules to accommodate better circadian rhythms but anecdotal feedback indicates. This policy is not always followed. Of course it's not so the sleep deprivation report. Recommended leaders across all branches arranged duty schedules to ensure people are getting more sleep and to stop environmental disruptions such as noise and sleeping areas. So i don't know how you're going to get your roommate to stop so loud but it's problem it's got to last the last sentence key. They said attitudes toward sleep may range from viewing sleep as a controlled ration to asserting that the need for sleep is a sign of weakness. That is it in a nutshell. People automatically assume like leaders assume owes sleep is a weakness they grant that is one. That is definitely ingrained from the moment. You step into the marine corps. You never want to see any of your instructors. Sleeping or laying down sitting are eating intentionally. They do it intentionally. So they are viewed as like machines. And that's what you should be as well. That is not a great idea. Now another unit. Obviously we mentioned it but the presence of caffeine is just assume that this is part of being in the military that you're just on caffeine all the time and i think more importantly they're talking about you know assessing and making sure people are telling their subordinates to get sleep. It's just like you can tell me to go to my room okay. Great well what do i have room. I can watch. Dvd or not dvd's anymore. I can watch netflix. I could play video games. I can go to the gym and work out. Just 'cause you set aside time for me to be sleeping doesn't mean i'm going to sleep. This still comes down to. Are you arguing. I'm arguing with my hometown. Girlfriend for the next seven hours. Install swipe high school. She's acting out Really getting sick of it man. But i think that they may be to take like company gonese or barracks. Miniature should take a little trip out of me. And kyle's playbook with our kids just go in there and turn the wifi off. Those are sleeping. We're gonna turn the wi fi five. Goes off it. Twenty two hundred. That's two dea con. We're not going to do that. So fucked up. Could you imagine being out in formation and your first sergeant walks out and be like hey listen they had a great idea chap said that we should just turn the wifi off so that we're going to do twenty two hundred. We're turning the lights off. We would have zero lift listeners. You like the idea of chaps and kyle going from room to room. Tuck everybody in even a little snacks little all right. Good night guys kiss on the forehead. Yeah i think back to. When i was in school we did. Have somebody come by every night at eleven thirty and they poke their editor room. And if you're was on with shut your light off and you were supposed to go to bed. But obviously the the rigors of academic life sometimes prevail. And you've got to stay up and work on something on your computer but you weren't allowed to have your lights on past eleven thirty. The duty comes in and they can see the flashlight just under the blanket. Like what are you reading kinds of we get enough of that baltimore. I know that. I also can't get enough seven stuff straight up my butthole wanted that to hang out there a little bit. China is humiliating all different types of folks in china because they are making it mandatory for coronavirus test. But they're not just doing it with straight up the nose like you guys have had it a bunch kate and cons. You guys have been tested shit. Ten times right yeah. I've only had to be tested once. Maybe one way up there in my eyes started watering and i felt like a little bitch on the quarter deck. It was terrible whenever we're doing. Everybody doesn't want they're not going to stick it in your nose. They're going to stick that motherfucker up your ass as somebody who again i know about this last week but if somebody had a q. Tip shoved up my ass last week. Not doesn't feel great at does not feel great dry probably. yes yes. it's because it's dry. It's question up a little bit. Don't they take temperatures that way. Oh yeah yeah. But i got the digital the little beep the little forehead gun forum go. I'm not. I'm not putting him through what i went to barreling talk about. I've done a lot of talk about dogs on the dog walk. You wanna talk about scary the first time you have to take a military working dog at school like when you're in the schoolhouse and take their field temperature and take it out of your little. I ate and put it in your dog's ass that's scary because they don't enjoy it not great so well doctors and china. I know that fear if they've got a big grizzled person that they've got to do this test to they're using the anal test on quarantine patients to check and see if they're free of the corona virus State media has been told that covid traces stay detectable for longer in poop than they do in the nose or the throat. That was unbelievable. Enunciation of poop cake loop. Japan is calling on china to stop using the undignified test. As some passengers say it causes them psychological distress. So i guess if you go over there so like china ordered american diplomats to undergo anal just last week if i was the secretary of state fuck with them and you're going to china got china. Beijing has denied the claims but washington has slammed the test undignified. Sorry beijing you can't deny it if a bunch of americans are like. Oh they put you tips assholes but imagine you're getting off the plane you're going to china you're going to do business or whatever and you're walking through because every country has that little waiting area where your your passport change. And they're like all right. Dropped them pants. I'm going to stick this up your but you're like what the heck what the heck what where the heck is going to go right. You need me to grow high. It poop all the way inside. It's to look like wales when you open it up and side there. Hey go because yes. It'd be rough whenever whenever you're doing it to get it done but china's like We don't give a fuck if you're coming here it's going straight up that candy ass. Yeah the only relief is in response. A doctor told state media that travellers could also provide a poop sample at the airport instead. What i didn't get full honor taco bell cup and dump right in their exactly right agean you just a bag of big old stinker. You've been you're in luck. I've got one in my right. Cargo pocket now was my favorite game. We play at the kennels. Where if you came in last detection for the day you had to wear a pair it put something on your shoulder. Walk around That's a good time to move onto round number five gay. What are we have round number five. This is right your wheelhouse. Oh my god absolutely sports taking a little snooze on the couch right behind me as i do this one snug is a bug thank god he's safe and thank goodness. These other cats are safe. Thanks to the tiny navy sailors who braved choppy waters to launch a dramatic rescue this week after discovering that four cats had been abandoned on a sinking ship that caught fire off an island. After the crew had been taken to safety the navy was sent to the site of the capsized vessel to check for an oil spill but discovered a few furry crew members instead that had been left behind shitty crew to leave caspian on a ship by the way fund. Those guys. I used my cameras. Zoom in on the boat. And i saw one or two cats popping their heads out said first class petty officer wicked puga dhillon the navy's air and coastal defense division. A sailor in a life vest swam out to the boat of which four little ginger. Cats were huddled together on a wooden beam. And we have the picture in our sheet and it looks so cute. And but i wanna see the real action because cats when they're in water. They're not thrilled about it. And these guys like going to get these and swimming with them on their back. You can see in the picture. The cat is absolutely gripping the shit out of his life. If he's not wearing a life vest those causer right into his skin and has back look whereas back hind legs are those are going into his ribs. So you're swimming in ocean currents and doing all that stuff was cats. I bet that starting to like cats blaming that guy at the time you did this absolately jazz cat out on the patio the other day to enjoy the breeze and a bus went by and he like i had scratches on literally all over my tit. My side my stomach. And then i had a doctor's appointment that afternoon i had to try to take my cat up rocher but anyway the rescue brought the cats twos Cats whose boat on his shoulder as you guys are saying. They got pulled in by rope. The facebook went crazy for these guys with. I mean they're good looking fellas and they got these little ginger cats on them. These guys are on the road to say pussy down. This is i mean. Imagine walking into a tie bar and those guys are sitting there with their hands shaking and somebody comes up like what's going on fellas. Yeah those wet policies poor weapons to anybody says. We don't give the navy enough shine there. You go. how the navy all of our news navies that we. Hey what do you think all right. What do you think and will exclude anything that is significantly heavier. Like a hippopotamus or something then then a human. What do you think would be the most difficult animal to save off a sinking ship. Cats are definitely up there. But what else snakes. Snaky can wear like a bow tie. Tie that motherfucker. Au tight around. I thought you might have a snake dangle off your bow tie it was like what snake taught me Dangle monkeys would be easy. I saw this monkey on tiktok. This little thing is the key unionist. So there's little the same kind of monkey that ross from friends house. There's this and he got his own little bed like as a twin size mattress for his little monkey room and they take off all the plastic and the monkey puts his head down on his own bed. And they're like this is your bed. This is your bed and he has the biggest little monkey grin you've ever seen. It's so cute so cute. That should be the next animal for the chapter house. what is i think. It's actually cruel to have monkeys. Because they're such powerful. Everyone thinks monkeys a great patent until they actually have one in realize. That's not a good idea was a good pet. I so i just learned how that their pinks actually learned this from alex. Shoes pigs are very similar to dogs. And that how how well they can be domesticated. Yeah and they're really easy they had you know how cats have the instinct to go to litterbox. You can put a little. If you have a little piglet you can put a litterbox out and it will learn how to use the litterbox. Just like a cat does interesting interesting next question. If there were to be a new pet in the chaps zoo. What's the next pet if the new house. Oh if it's going to be outside as easy answer and that's one of those little miniature half donkey half zebra donkey. I would love to have a miniature donkey. Okay no brainer certainly inside. It would definitely be a pig. I've tried to talk annelies into getting a pig. Several times and i wanted absolutely not. I wanna pig and name it biscuit. Imagine if there was like a little emotional support animal. And i got to take it everywhere me and biscuit getting onto a plane together. Incredible never happened though all right. Let's move on to save rounds and alibis. I i'll i'll start. I i have a question for you. We're in the middle of lots of talk. Even on capitol hill with the senators in all them talking about cancel culture. I recently saw article that there is a movement to stop calling it breast milk. Start calling it chest. Milk is somebody who never really grew. Breasts i'm cool with it. I guess somebody somebody who's always always been in a up. Let's bring on the chess milk. I i think that's one of those silly things. Like a few people said like one or two. And everybody's like oh. They're trying to cancel. Like i don't think that's a real thing but a really reminds me of that tweet threat where the guys like twitter's fucked up because you could say anything like oh. I just saw cute horse and somebody will chime actually. My uncle was a horse farm and so many of them died. Said i find this offensive. Yeah exactly what culture is right now. It's crazy. I here's a problem with everything but that the chess milk thing made me think of i have nipples greg. Keynote me I think more often than not only one person has a problem with something but then it's the response that that person gets. That makes it a thing. So i don't know what is your swab for covert and then they as soon as they stick it in there then all of a sudden your chestnut goes everywhere and i just preferred titi. We all got titties. You know era say prefer titty milk. That's what i'm saying. We all just have saying okay. I think that's the professional medical. Also i just had a snap bubble ca- my nor one year pass the mark. There is nothing that we shot. Kyle clips that and puts it out there. No one does all right. What are you got a whole lot. I've one interesting thing is as kate's pregnancy has progressed for breathing has become. Can't and it's i just i. I sympathize with you. And i feel for you kate. Below is really sucks the be like quarantine season at home and like having to do zoom because she essentially has to sit up straight with her belly up resting on her legs matching resting on my legs. It at. I've keep it off the toilet seat now in pregnant sounds horrible. Sorry kyle. I was sick with this into remember. We put all these up on youtube. So if you'd like to see kate squirm for about an hour and twenty minutes. That's a great way more about that. It's been like they're all doing robe-like no awning. I have a brush my hair. I have snot bubbles on the couch at some point. You're just like leaning all the way back. No so go check out youtube. And and then all the other things people are doing chaps has barstool confessions where he's a giant bible nerd cates and about and causes on trivia this week. What the fuck was i just going to say. It was in the. I lost it. Co. powell sorry. Do crop house now. So I think we might need to incorporate like jeopardy style military jeopardy stuff into clubhouse your rudy fund would be a friend and all that but anyways yet checkout all that stuff and and we're preparing also for katherine to be on baby leave soon and so conor gonna do some guest hosting like. We did When he was out or what it was before and we had like adam kindergartner. And max your yard from terminal lance if go to the tunes comments and put in whoever you want us to have co-host and try to reach out to them and get him on as a co host so that should be a fun time to what about you. I lost on the dozen this week chaps lost on the chicago dog walk. We're going to wear it. Find a new slant get over it. I saw story yesterday. day before kellen winslow. He's going to jail for sexual assault. I think you guys remember when he had that very famous. I'm a soldier rant. What a dirtbag. Former former guest of amanda bellona's. I'm sure a lot of people know her from the pga tour and then to work with them. She got engaged. So congratulations to her. And then finally how about that. Old salty dog pope francis getting deployment under his belt. He's going to that's right. He's gonna go to iraq. Come home with a silver star. Yeah kyle why don't you will you send him a sea service deployment revenge on twitter. Yeah and i'll tag space force. Good perfect they'll appreciate that for sure. Kate you got anything no nothing. Oddly enough i got nothing all righty. We'll be back here on tuesday. Maybe kate will make won't hard to say but tuesday. I'll have brand new house easy. Can't wait to move into that bad boys going to be a good time. We'll see you guys on tuesday. Sound the retreat prepared. I guess nice. That got a body. Like but i gotta think only shot don't is do this there by your dad can't get enough seven stuff. Straight up my butthole.
Adm. James Stavridis, U.S. Navy, Supreme Allied Commander of NATO
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I was born in South Florida and then Raised in a Marine Corps family. My father transferred every two or three year. So we lived in Camp Pendleton Quantico. Virginia we lived overseas. Perhaps must interestingly for three years in Athens Greece but he ended up attending high school will in Arizona and then went to the US Naval Academy. was that largely due to you witness with your father and his marine career very much. So in fact went to Annapolis blows absolutely imbued with Marine Corps. Spirit certain I was going to be an infantry officer like my dad and at the Naval Academy after your first year. You're plebe year ear which is not a lot of fun. They then take you out to sea and put you on a in my case cruiser and they took me to San Diego put me on a cruiser and my first I night underway. I walked up on the bridge and I was like Saint Paul on the road to Damascus. I suddenly saw what I wanted to do. I wanted to be a sailor and ultimately to command ships and spend a great deal of my life at sea and I'm glad I did made my dad a little bit sad. That wasn't a marine like him. But he was the impetus that academy started to Annapolis surface. Warfare is what you pursued Why that as opposed to submarine or aviation or anything so I think it goes back to the fundamental reason to be in the navy in my view is to be on ships at sea if you're in a submarine under the water you don't have? That experience Franson if you're in an airplane flying over you don't have that experience There's something that calls to me about the oceans fundamentally Mariner I always say say there's seventy percent of the earth is covered by water and seventy percent of our bodies are made of water. There's a affinity there that really spoke to me so oh I spent a great deal of time at sea Had A nice office with a view for much of my career and enjoyed every minute of course when you graduate from the Naval Academy. You're an officer officer as you grew in those early years. Who are some of the mentors or even at the academy who some of the mentors that helped to stoke the initial leadership philosophy? I bet you grew to embrace sure to really stand out. And they were both actually at the Naval Academy they were young lieutenants at the time. One was lieutenant. Michael Mullen Mullen. Who went on to four stars became the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? And the other was Lieutenant Bob Natter and he went onto four stars and became the commander of the Atlantic. Nick Fleet both of them. I got to know when I was a young Midshipman. They both inspired me to be a surface warfare officer both had combat time in Vietnam. I really looked up to them and they just kind of reappear again and again in my career they were mentors a very classic sense. And we're very much a part in my life and career and remain very dear friends today but still very much mentors. A lot of different missions. A lot of different deployments obviously in those early years. There's any stand out as particularly the one where you realized exactly why you're doing what you were doing whether it was conflict whether it was humanitarian where it just fully came home. What you're doing and why you were doing I'll give you two From the very early part of my career The first ship I went to as sprints class destroyer these are the first ships that had gas turbines in them. They were new and modern at the time. I was th antisubmarine warfare officer. It was the height of the Cold War and I remember the first time we really were in a pitched battle but a pitched situation with Russian warships and we were tracking a Russian submarine and it suddenly felt very real. You really understood that while we weren't in open combat at that time it was very clear that this kind of hunt for Red October was anything but a game out there. After that ship I spent three years on it then went to an aircraft carrier. I went to the forest. All which was a big old very broken down ship famously. It had a horrific fire during the Vietnam War so I got to the forest all in nineteen eighty and the navy was in a bad place. This is when Drug use was rampant. was before the Reagan build up sort of rescue rescue the armed forces and on that ship I was the boilers officer. So I had about one hundred and fifty Very aggressive assistive. Almost like pirate crew down below decks And it was it was hot. It was dangerous And we had a terrible fire and we lost four of our crew members died in this fire and again that sense the reality the danger of what we do it see a hit home to me and as I do this interview in the early summer of twenty seventeen we've just seen USS Fitzgerald arleigh Burke destroyer sure Hit by merchant ship. Seven of those sailors died. I suspect that young captain and command is having the same kind of feeling that I did. way back in one thousand nine hundred eighty when I lose sailors who are part of your team That hits and it hurts. You mentioned the Reagan buildup in the nineteen eighties. How how was life different for you by the end of that decade as opposed to the front because of that different shifting priorities yeah it was a delightfully different? In the sense that The Reagan funding funding for the six hundred ship. Navy manifested in the surface navy with the creation of the Aegis combatants so these are Ticonderoga class cruisers cruisers. Were the first of them. I was lucky enough to be selected to be the operations officer in one of the first of the that class into suddenly be on a very very high tech ship with a beautiful combat systems and a handpicked crew. That's what convinced me to stay in the navy after having gone through some very very tough times on the forest all I almost got out after the aircraft carrier but the navy kept me in by sending me to graduate school I did a PhD. At the Fletcher School the Navy Eighty paid for all that and then putting me on this beautiful brand new Ticonderoga Rogan class. Cruiser kind of reinstalled my faith in the navy so the nineteen eighties. Were very good to meet with the navy early to mid nineties year in command of the. US Has Berry and those years provided some issues. That's certainly in the headlines Haiti and the the coup and then the reversal of the coup. That happened there as well as the atrocities. In Bosnia you were assigned to that as well. What role did did you and your crew play there? We I always say about that tour on the Barrie was Almost three years long and we had three big real world missions was Haiti as you mentioned which was kind of a cross between a soft power hard power mission. We were trying to make sure that the weapons did not get into Haiti but at the same time we were moving humanitarian -tarian supplies in a very tense time there in the Americas the second big operation was the Balkans and berries role. There was to you conduct. What was called Operation Sharp Guard? which again was an arms embargo to prevent the Milosevic regime very aggressive Serbian Team that was trying to take over chunks of the Balkans we were there to prevent them from receiving weapons and also to screen in anything moving in and out and provide air defense for the aircraft that were operating. The third thing we did in Berry was go to the Gulf when Saddam Tom Hussein in nineteen ninety three started edge back down toward Kuwait again and it appeared. He was going to take another bite out of the Apple. So we were tasked to accompany the carrier George Washington through the Suez Canal at high speed and all the way up to the northern part of the Persian Gulf. That show of force I I think prevented Saddam Hussein from Re attempting to take over Kuwait so it was a very full operational tour on the Berry and I enjoyed it Immensely the ship one and incredibly important leadership award which was the Battenberg Cup is the top ship in the Atlantic Fleet and Everyone felt terrific about that. What does that do to your men specifically winning the Battenberg Cup? And what did that require to get them. In the position to win I think above all it required teamwork and building coherent teams in the crew and secondly it required innovation new ideas and thirdly thirdly above all we had to communicate a vision of the ship we were able to do all of that. Quite effectively in the ship came together to win that award and very very positive ways I always say the Berry had a solid word room and a very very capable crew but what what really distinguished us was our chief. Smith's we had an extraordinary group. Chief petty officers and a good example of how important that middle level of management is. Let's move ahead a little a bit. Obviously shortly after that run we have nine eleven and that change is virtually everything certainly focus of the military. Where you at that time? And how does it affect you in your your crew I'm in the Pentagon On the morning of September eleventh. I'm a newly selected one-star officer and Waiting to actually have a mentoring. S- seance with a young officer. WHO's coming to meet with me Then Lieutenant Commander Rob Chadwick and out of the corner in my I kinda glint through the windows on the earring The airplane and Yeah I saw the airplane hit the Pentagon and It was shocking. Every dimension I couldn't quite process that I thought perhaps it was a truck bomb or something and gone off. I wasn't sure are really what I'd seen and didn't know until I saw news reports that it was another airplane but Where I was the I was on the fourth floor about one hundred and fifty feet from the impact point and the Everything filled up with smoke A number of tried to move toward the the fire. They are to see if we could rescue anybody. It was clear no one was going to be rescued from that section anyway so we aggressed and went out onto the Onto the green in front of the Pentagon gone and Fortunately the real heroes of the day the first responders showed up and took over the space and kind of pushed us off to the side and eventually eventually I walked home Probably twelve miles to my home in Alexandria because as you may know the effectively the city was was completely shut down and It was A very much like I think for all of us Extraordinarily impactful moment. But for me what I realized I was the irony of the moment really struck me that I've been through all this sort of combat experiences And and been endanger plenty of times but I was almost killed in the Pentagon you know behind all these concrete walls Protected by the strongest military on Earth in the capital the richest country in the planet. And what it showed me was that our opponents are going to find ways to get around walls and one consistent theme theme in my life and career has been. We shouldn't rely on walls. They won't work. We should We should try to build bridges both in positive ways and also so with allies. So when we do have to use our power we do it in concert with others so for me. It was Obviously personally shocking moment but it was also a Kinda piff IMMI that guided the rest of my career philosophically. What does that mean for your immediate future? Obviously that led almost immediately to operation enduring ring freedom and then less than did but it it it actually put me in one of the more interesting jobs. I had my career which was to be the first director factor of something called deep blue which was Innovation think tank put together by the chief of naval operations after nine eleven to try and understand stand and create the right role for the navy in fighting what we then began calling the war on terror. Let's face it. A navy isn't particularly optimized is for that kind of operation. So what the chief of Naval Operations Admiral Vern Clark asked me to do. A one-star was pick fifteen people from around the navy seals. submariner submarine bring them together and generate ideas. We didn't have resources. We didn't have line authority but we reported directly to the chief of naval operations. If we could convince him it was a good idea. It happened so we created in the year. I was there a number of innovations that exist just to this day. Expeditionary Strike Groups carrier strike groups the idea of special forces operating off afloat forward staging bases Rotational tation all crew operations. All that came out of my time at deep blue and Thus I had this intense one year sojourn in the the Pentagon post nine eleven and then I went right to strike group. Command commanded enterprise carrier Strike Group. We conduct combat operations in Afghanistan Iraq on on the Horn of Africa. What kind of operation Largely strike but also surveillance Intelligence electronic warfare a counter I e e D detection We also put the seals ashore. We supported them in a number of classified missions we conducted ballistic missile defense We kept straight or Moose Open against Iranian pressure. It was a pretty rich basket of operations. We launched thousands of strikes in that period that was primarily the thrust of it was power projection into Iraq Afghanistan in the Horn of Africa and in particular threats threats. Obviously the Taliban doesn't have a navy Taliban Afghanistan so we're taking on those targets doing close air support there we've got at that time thousands of special forces. This is in Afghanistan but the primary effort at this point then quickly becomes Iraq toward the end of that mission and down in the Horn of Africa. It's what today we think of his al-shabaab but if you recall after that nine eleven period and by the time in the strike group and four deployed its three. Oh four this is. When we're we're we're really fighting a three front war in and around the Arabian Gulf enterprise was involved in all of that? Two thousand six you get into assignment. I do commander Southern Command Command nicely with all the turmoil going on in the Middle East and in certain places in Africa which you've already talked about it in other places in the world people think of that as a little more calm and in many ways it is but Certainly pops up different threats at different times the FARC and I've chaos and Venezuelan and different a bunch of different ways. What were some of the biggest gatherings during those three years? I think before we get there. There is a very interesting two year assignment. I'm the senior military assistant to Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld so as a three star officer I company Rumsfeld everywhere he goes I function as sort of his conduit to the military. I'm like It's like being the head of the National Security Council for the president so for the Secretary of Defense I work straighted. His meetings brought information to him His senior leaders The combatant commanders. The service chiefs are the ones advising him but become kind of the mechanics of that process and as a result I'm deeply embedded in in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm there with with Rumsfeld on multiple trips It's a pretty fascinating two year. Deep dive into the war on terror and into Don Rumsfeld allows was going to say a lot of different leadership ship type books have been written about the Rumsfeld Way What did you learn well? He he himself has put together. A book called Rumsfeld's rules and he kinda follows those rules and it's actually not a set of one two three it's it's it's bits and pieces of philosophy and ideas that he's picked up up here and there over the years and any kind of melds together. I would say what Secretary Rumsfeld represents as someone who is always direct and honest. He is Unbelievably unbelievably energetic as a leader. He's into everything he's got questing mind. He does not slow down to take a lot of care of people but he quietly takes care of people on the backside of their duties. A very dynamic leader certainly policy galaxy wise. You could have some arguments with some of the things that occurred in some of the decisions but as a leader. He moved the Department of Defense in a very forthright manner in a very patriotic manner. I have a lot of regard for secretary for that. I think so Certainly you'll get a variety of opinions but I think he put his whole heart into that mission and I respect them for it. Start About Southern Command. Now we'll share some of the the greater concerns. Yeah so then. I go to Miami where the headquarters of Southern Command isn't it. It's a completely different world down there. It's I don't want to say it's you know kind of a backwater but it's it's a place where compared to what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan and NATO. It's it's quieter quieter you have more rhythm in what's going on the big challenges or counter-narcotics Cuba in our ongoing challenges with them Venezuela well at this time is run by Hugo Chavez. There's a kind of a left wing political movement spreading in places like Nicaragua Ecuador Bolivia. So you feel feel not always welcome in that world and during the time I was there. Argentina flipped And the centerpiece of at all however was Columbia and the counter-insurgency That the government of Colombia was fighting against the the FARC which is an acronym for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. Just a Marxist group Here in two thousand seventeen finally After sixty years Colombia has executed a peace agreement and now is in a better place but in those years when I was there six to nine it was the height of that war and we were United States were supporting the Colombian military so it was a lot of precision guided weapons. There's a lot of interaction with our CIA colleagues a lot of intelligence gathering information sharing So really a fascinating assignment. I was actually born in Miami Miami. I speak Spanish so very comfortable for me to operate in that environment and at the end of it in two thousand six I resigned. I retired sent my retirement. Note to Secretary Gates thinking that would be the end And he surprised me by asking me to go to NATO. And be the first Admiral Admiral to command NATO. So that happened two thousand nine two questions on that what what did it mean. TV to be the first navy man to the Supreme Allied Commander. And secondly when you're a military leader got a whole bunch of different things you need to coordinate and people to keep happy or at least have have their era they have your ear. Now you've got a whole bunch of different countries countries right where you need to get along well with. So how did you make that well. I was pretty shocked by the assignment. I in the back of my mind. I had kind of been hoping hoping that. Perhaps I'd go not to you calm and NATO but rather go to pay calm to the Pacific Command which is generally we're admirals go and secretary secretary gates has always wanted to shake things up and he knew that I speak French and Spanish Greek American I have that whole package. He felt like I would fit better in Europe so he asked me to to take that on and I wasn't particularly deep in NATO. I'd studied it As a young officer Herat Annapolis and then a bit when I was doing my PhD. At the Fletcher School but I was far from a NATO expert so to make honest I went into it with a great deal of trepidation wasn't sure I was the right fit in had always been a general before. Generally people who dad four or five tours in Europe was was a very very daunting assignment for me. But I spent a lot of time learning on the way I went around and met with everybody I could think of. I talk talk to all the living former supreme allied commanders and spent I think a fair amount of diligence trying to understand the key issues in Europe Europe. At the time when I arrived I had a very warm welcome from at that time. Twenty seven other nations. Now we have. We have total of twenty twenty nine now. Montenegro just joined I arrived. We had just added to Albanian Croatia to come to twenty-eight Total and I began by going around each of the capitals and Learning and listening and trying to understand the culture and history of each of the allies and then gradually. After six months. I felt I had enough knowledge to start trying to put program together so we worked on Afghanistan that was kind of job. One big NATO mission. I had one hundred fifty thousand listen troops under my command there we had Almost twenty five thousand in the Balkans still kind of reminiscent of the worst of the Balkans. We had About five thousand to ten thousand on any given day doing piracy off the coast of Africa. we obviously had a big structure lecture for deterrence against Russia which at this time has just invaded. Georgia and Putin is beginning to really show his his character. If you will We we also had a lot of work to do in Cyber Security We had a lot of work to do in the Arctic so it was a big basket of work but I would say fifty percent of all. My time was devoted to Afghanistan. I went there constantly. I had four good for star commanders. Who Work for me there? Stan McChrystal was the first then. David betray US Jon Allen Than Joe Dunford. WHO's the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs? They were good solid subordinates. They were loyal. They executed executed Domitian very effectively. I have a lot of regard for all four of them and Afghanistan we still have a way to go and I wish I had and been able to bring more closure to that project. The greatest accomplishment. I think of my time as secure is is that we were able to Reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan. We set the tracks to go down from one hundred fifty thousand to the current deployment which she's about thirteen thousand so the training programs for the Afghans that we put in place are what has enabled us to to reduce by ninety percent. The number of the Americans their During my time I had twenty seven hundred Killed in action under my command. I wrote individual condolence letters. Everyone of them just like Secretary Gates doing when I'm here in Washington I'll go to section sixty where most of them are buried at Arlington. We at least were able to turn earned that war over to the Afghans. Still have many challenges to go there but that was sort of the centerpiece of the NATO tour. Piracy was very successful story. We Effectively eradicated piracy Balkans very successful we've reduced out of under five thousand. US troops in the Balkans and that will go down to zero very shortly so Progress the other piece of my four years was the war in Libya which was six months very intense In the and I think a successful tactical mission we were able to Prevent Qaddafi from massacring his people and then his people rose was up overthrew him killed him and unfortunately the international system didn't stay engaged and therefore Libya has descended into chaos. It's an example of you can succeed militarily But you'll fail if you don't have the follow on in the political political Engagement same lesson. We should have learned from Iraq. Frankly real quick. Follow up on that because you've talked about smart power soft power sometimes hard power sometimes but smart power to find what that means when we look at the way. Nations apply power. Sometimes they use hard power. That's generally connecticut activity bombs uh-huh Rocket Soldiers Tanks Connecticut. Blow things up. Kill people hard power soft power. It's education disaster. Relief medical diplomacy diplomatic engagement economic tools incentivizing. So often people make the mistake of thinking about these two baskets of tools as an on and off. Switch you gotTa pick you know either. Go hard power or no. No we don't want to use her power. Let's use soft power. That approaches mistake and you need both. There are times when you absolutely need hard power. We're not going negotiate a successful outcome with The Islamic state. We're going to find him and kill him but the long game in in places like the Balkans Haiti Colombia even in the Middle East. The long game is about literacy and education. It's about economies that actually function it's about Water supply it's about diplomatic engagement. It's about rule of law. Those basket of tools have to be applied applied so instead of thinking of it as an on and off. Switch think of it as a reestablish that you dial in there are times when you need hard power but there are also times when you need soft off power. That real estate is what some have called smart power finding the right setting for the given crisis you're facing. NATO of course was created in the nineteen in forties as a way to resist the westward expansion of Soviet communism Russia's you probably know it's been in the headlines a little bit lately so During your time what did you learn about the way the Russians rate And how to effectively deal with them. The first thing you have to understand about Russian culture and history is the primacy of the strong unitary leader and that can work out pretty well for a nation or it can be a total disaster so Russia the kind of role the cosmic dice at one time they get Peter the great but the next time they get Ivan the terrible and one time they get Stalin but then they get a Gorbachev well. Those dice have landed on Vladimir Putin. He's relatively young early sixties. He's very vigorous we see him. Take shirt off all all the time we know he's fit. He's going to be around for a long time. He's not going to give up power in therefore point one about understanding Russia's you gotta understand Putin you gotta read about him you got to dive into the CIA reports. You got to analyze him. You gotta take. Novels like Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy and apply them against his psychology. You have to understand Vladimir Putin in the context of Russian history and culture secondly Russia is a continental power. A land power they. They want to control their borders. So you'll constantly see Russia always in its history and even today pushing on those borders. That's what the invasion of Ukraine crane is about. That's what the invasion of Georgia is about. That's what the annexation of Moldova parts of Moldova's about we'll continue to see that pattern with Russia Thirdly thirdly there transactional we can work with them but not an overarching philosophical. I love you kind of way with with Russia you have to pay to get and If we understand that and look at them in a clear eyed way and see that there are no friend to the United States will. We'll do better at operating with them in fourth. And finally I'll give you a Russian proverb Russian. Say when probing with the bayonet if you encounter mush keep going if you hit steal withdraw Russians understand strength. We need a capable military not one that is spring loaded to go to war but one that can create that sense of steel when the Russians hit. There's four points to think about well as we mentioned you are also the author of the leader's bookshelf. So let's talk about that book. Now what led you to write the book. Two things one is. I have An enormous this love of books I lived in Greece when I was a little boy. There was no television so instead of developing a television habit I developed a reading habit and I still read constantly typically get through at least two to four bucks a week and I read late at night or read on airplanes. If if I have ten seconds I'll get out even my iphone open up kindle and be reading something so I love to read in the second thing is. I'm a believer that that leaders are not born. They're made and they're made by the gifts they get birth. They're made by the way their raised by their parents. They're made by the experiences they they have. But they're also made by what they can learn from books and so the book is an attempt to create an overview of in this case fifty selected books Many of which are novels but some are history. Memoir Biography Autobiography Autobiography. So wide range of fifty bucks. That people can read that I believe will help them become better leaders and because not everybody has time to read fifty bucks. The heart of the leader's bookshelf is a very short snappy summary Synopsis. A cliff notes if you will of of each of these fifty bucks and then it pulls out a little bit of information about the author of the book and a little bit of information about What are the leadership lessons? And then and by the end of the book we attempt to draw all that together to some fundamental ideas about leadership so it was a fun project. Should we be wary of people who want to be leaders. That aren't curious curious and readers. I think it's curious is the key word. I don't think reading is absolutely critical. I think it is however an enabler But if you don't read and frankly our current President Donald Trump Famously says he never reads. He doesn't read a book. He gets his information watching television. He gets his information talking to people. He's very visually oriented You can use that as a mechanism to improve your leadership skills as well and So I wouldn't be so arrogant to say that no if you're not a reader you're not a leader but I will say if you are a reader it'll make you a better leader. Interestingly number three on the list the Bible most people don't think of that as a leadership book. Look I. I've also heard a lot of military story and say there's tremendous military tactical advocates. Both are true and we should say about where these fifty bucks came from. These are not the fifty favorite books of gyms Taverna's and Bob and sell my co author. We crowd source this. We went out to two hundred senior military leaders generals and admirals and ask them. What are their favorite books? And some of them gave us two or the three bucks and some of them gave us one hundred fifty bucks and we just kind of did a mapping exercise and what were the books that were mentioned the most and tried to put some balance Linson it but it's a crowd source list and the Bible was very frequently mentioned and not as a philosophical goal or religious book but as a book of leadership. And if you think about at the parables are full of leadership stories How does how does know a man? The ARC How does Jesus Inspire the Jewish people In every way the Bible is a story of leadership. Let's talk about the different types of leaders that you profile here because some our politicians have nothing to do with the military or politics like The seven habits of highly effective people some are very high up president of the United States General Grant for example in his famous memoirs others are like how more and Vietnam or others further down the chain. So Ah I hasten to say although there's a lot of military in the book because we're crowd sourcing this from admirals or generals there's also many novels calls that have nothing to do with military To that I'll mention that I I love and I think have profound leadership. Lessons are a Connecticut Yankee in King King Arthur's court by Mark Twain which is a work of science fiction essentially about a nineteenth century engineer. Who goes back in time a thousand years and he's brilliant? Yeah he knows everything he knows. The Earth is round. He knows metallurgy and engineering but he can't convince anybody of anything so it's it's a book about innovation and how hard innovation actually is how hard it is to convince others to accept the new the other book. I what you I read when you were thirteen years. Old is to kill a Mockingbird Harper Lee An extraordinary novel set in the South about a small time lawyer who takes on a case defending an African American. It's a hard thing for him to do. But it's the right thing to do. He chooses chooses the hard right over. What would have been very easy? The easy wrong path. And at the end of that novel The Black Parishioner's as atticus finch. That lawyer walks out of the courtroom. One of them turns his young daughter Scout. It's also coming of age aged novel and says to Scout. Stand up young lady. Your Daddy's pass. That's a leadership. Oh Shit moment. That's a teachable. Moment so many of these books are Novels that I think also illuminate leadership qualities. There's two examples is a good leader. A good leader anywhere so business. Oh I think absolutely I I I think that things that hopefully made me a good leader in the military have helped me very much in my new life. I'm now four years as the dean of the Graduate School of International Relations. Tufts University the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy in the things. I tried to do as a leader in the military were collaboration communication innovation and put it all on a kind of a platform of integrity and above all time leader as servant. Not Think of yourself as the high and mighty captain of the ship but rather someone who enables others to achieve all that they can do. I believe I believe that part of that is never losing your temper. Never being angry never raising your voice. I have many many faults failings and I have failed repeated sometimes along my career But you will never find anyone who could say. Yeah Jim stavridis yelled at me or Jim. Stavridis raised his voice to me or called me names sir. I just don't think that's what leaders do and I think all of those attributes work quite well my experience as I transition condition them into in my case the world of higher education. Do they work in business shirt. Occasionally you find leaders. Who aren't like that? Who are not servant leaders who are arrogant who scream and yell and and they can be successful but for a short period of time? That's it's very seductive to have a kind of a crisis racist style of leadership. Real leaders are building the enterprise for their successors and I think that's a lesson that I took out of many of the books in the leader's bookshelf. Would you say we're getting better in terms of leadership because you talked about kind of the old the old school Brusque I'm in command manned and not what you just described at all the other on the other hand it seems like there's more of a me mentality in today's society so I think we are getting better Very much so. And when I think about the navy that I went into and Nineteen early nineteen eighties. There was a lot of screaming and yelling and everybody was his Calling each other names and and slamming. Shut the doors of the ship and locking everybody in. If the captain wasn't happy with the shipper the crew was a lot of sticks not many carrots and Over the thirty seven years I was in the Navy I I saw that. Change really fundamentally now we we find those toxic leaders and we get rid of them and You can't survive long term in the David as we used to say flamer and I think we are better as a society. I think we are as well except one thing. I'll tell yeah you know I'm worried about it. It's over the last five years or so. I felt this polarization in our society. I think Some have called it. The result of what's termed in the journalism world the anger industry and this is People retreating from common dialogue and taking themselves into small angry echo chambers listening to a particular announcer reading particular kinds books watching particular television channels. It failing to understand the broad dimensions of our society. That's a worrisome trend and I was asked the other day what's my biggest security concern for the United States is that the Islamic state the rise of Russia China in the South China China Z.. Worries cybersecurity yeah we gotta worry about it but we can face all those challenges if we do it together what I feel well now is a sort of pulling to the extremes that's to be avoided and I think there are mechanisms to address that but above all it'll require leaders others who want to fight for the center. You were reportedly considered as a running mate for secretary. Clinton reportedly considered as the secretary of state for president the trump so guilty. Do you Do you have any interest in entering that arena in order to facilitate what you just talked about. First of all I was was vetted for Vice President for Secretary Clinton and at the end of the campaign. She asked me if I'd be willing to go into government with her and I said I would She she was not elected and I thought well at least my schedule has cleared up for the next four years President Trump's team reached out to me and asked me to come and interview for Secretary of State. Ultimately I was offered a cabinet level position but I felt I was better placed outside the administration and I'm very content with what I'm doing at the Fletcher School. I think that doesn't necessarily say anything about me. But the good thing it says is that both of those camps could look toward the senator and I think that's a positive In terms of my professional plans I'll say that I've always been one to to WANNA serve the country and I'll continue to look for opportunities to serve last question also on leadership but also on the military someone who did end up in the president's cabinet is is not only well regarded as leader but also as an extremely voracious reader and that is Secretary Mattis. I I know one former marine officer Sir who said he helped to move madness at one point two new commanders basically a bed a table one chair and then everything else was boxes of books. Yeah I'm in the same category. I've got Jim Madison I have exchanged book recommendations for A decade if you flip over the leader's bookshelf. You'll find an endorsement from General Mattis on the back Riveria. Very close friends I think you know libraries. Very Gyms Kinda let his atrophy over the years. I continue to collect books kind of a gentle madness I think I'm well north of five thousand right now but I think again again. I don't think it's mandatory and you can be a good leader and not be a reader but if you're a reader you'll be a better leader. General Mattis understands stands that and. So you're right thank you thanks for your time today. Thanks for the pleasure. Thank you very much changed. US maybe tired former supreme allied commander. Thanks for pronouncing my name perfectly. 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Interview with Secretary of Defense Mark Esper; Interview with Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards; Interview with Illinois Governor JB Pritzker; Interview with House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
"United States as the. Us braces for painful two weeks. There'll be a lot of deaths. President trump casts blame on states desperate for medical supplies. Many of the states were totally unprepared to this. I'll speak to governors of two of the hardest hit states Louisiana and Illinois next and active duty the US military is stepping up its response to the pandemic fair to do what we have to and facing criticism over the decision to fire a navy. Captain Agree with the decision. One Hundred Percent Defense Secretary Mark. Asper joins me to discuss in moments plus economic pain more than ten million Americans filing for unemployment as small businesses by for federal loans. To stay afloat. We have to open our country again. When will federal money get to struggling? Americans speak to the chair of the new Corona Virus Crisis Committee House Democratic Whip. Jim Clyburn next. Hello I'm jake tapper. In Washington where the state of our Union is bracing ourselves. Today marks the beginning of what president trump says may be the toughest two weeks of the corona virus pandemic in the United States announcing at a press conference Saturday. There will be quote in but a lot of death again. It is hard to fathom since the numbers are already so overwhelming in so bleak over a million cases worldwide and the virus has killed more than eight thousand five hundred in the United States alone last Sunday the US death toll was around two thousand the week before just over three hundred as the crisis worsens. The president is also taking advantage of distracted nation choosing this moment to fire the Inspector General of the Intelligence Committee who notified Congress about the whistle blower complaint that led to the president's impeachment Saturday. The president announced that the military is going to war to help the states sending a thousand. Us Air Force and US Navy medical providers to New York over the next three days joining us. Now thank secretary. Mark Asper Secretary Asper. Thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it. You're sending more personnel to New York City over the next few days. Mayor Bill De Blasio called for a quote national enlistment effort for medical personnel across the country to bring more healthcare professionals. There take a listen. We don't have the same kind of draft we used to have. But we're GONNA have to create something new right now at this moment in history to enlist all available medical personnel around the country and I mean civilians anyone with medical training. What do you think secretary? Are you willing to do that? Well first of all. Jake thanks you. Thanks for having me on this morning. I wanted lay at least three things up front to help. Frame our discussion first of all the Department of Defense has been all in now since the beginning of this going back to plus months to January. We've been all in and ahead of the curve when it comes to responding to the krona virus. Secondly I've laid out now. Three clear priorities for the department defense. I protect our people Second ensure we retain our national mission capabilities and third Provide full support to president. Trump's whole of government hold nation response. The third point like to do is. I'd like to thank all the fifty thousand. Plus American soldiers sailors airmen marines around the streets of America today helping out their Their fellow Americans many are deployed away from home away from their families many more risking their own lives. Their welfare helped the American people. But that's what we do. We're going to continue to support this effort now. With regard to the Mayor's statement I've had several conversations with the mayor. We've been working very closely as you know. We have over a thousand doctors. Nurses and other medical professionals deployed now around the United States in several cities many of them are in New York City. The mayor I talked as recently as Thursday. I spoke to the governor on Friday. What we plan on doing now is deploying over. Eleven hundred additional Doctors and nurses and other medical professionals to New York. The bulk of them. The we'll go to the javits center and then as of late yesterday we agreed to deploy a few hundred them to eleven New York City hospitals. That are also seeing a deficiency when it comes to medical staff. What's interesting Jake we are? We will soon be taking over the JAVITS CENTER. A twenty five hundred bed capacity to show you how all in we are. The United States military will soon be running the largest hospital in the United States That shows your commitment. Cnn reported earlier this week that the Pentagon has not shipped any of the two thousand ventilators that you have to fema or two hhs because you were not told where to send them following up on that story have fema or h s reach now to yet to tell you where to send those ventilators or do you still have them that reports dot accurate Jake. We have I while many of those ventilators deployed with the US. Ns Comfort and mercy in In New York and La respect respectively there with our field hospitals. We have several filled hospitals deployed in New York in Seattle in New Orleans. Dallas and then we provided Several hundred ward pre-positioned and radio particularly with regard to New York City when they're needed as you may know Hhs as several thousand ventilators in stock right now and they plan on delivering those first on top of that we we. We've delivered millions of and ninety five masks to both New York and twelve other city states around the country and other people so of the two thousand ventilators at the Pentagon had. How many do you still have? I'd have to do a quick count but probably were probably sitting on a few hundred. But we're sitting on them in the sense that they're prepared to ship once once once. Hhs exhausted stock the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt captain. Brett Crozier was relieved of his command on Thursday after he wrote memo that expressed his dire concerns about the more than one hundred infected sailors in corona virus outbreak on his ship and whether or not those individuals would spread the virus to the thousands of sailors also on the ship. I want you to take a look at this video of Captain. Crozier leaving the chip to cheers from his fellow sailors. So secretary aspect. Can you explain to those sailors cheering? Captain Crozier Captain Crozier. Why exactly he was relieved of his command. Jake first of all first and foremost we need to take care of the sailors on the ship. We need to ensure their well-being get that ship back out to sea as soon as possible. I'm pleased to report right now. over half of the has been tested. Only one hundred and fifty five sailors Have come up positive Those are all mild. Moderate there have been no hospitalizations whatsoever. So the crew is being taken care about their With regard to the relief of Captain Crozier I think Acting Secretary Moly Made a very tough decision decision That I support. It was based on his view that he had lost faith and confidence in the captain based on his actions It was supported by navy leadership. And I think it's I it's just another example how we hold leaders accountable for the actions. Should there have been at least an investigation before he was relieved of command? I mean the captains of the USS John McCain and the USS Fitzgerald who were captains sailors died at sea they at least had investigations before they were relieved of their commands. Captain Crozier was trying to save lives and he wasn't even afforded the benefit of an investigation. Well there is an investigation ongoing but at this point in time. the Secretary moly did not have faith incompetence that he could continue in Israel as captain of the ship that is not unheard of well the all the services at time relief commanders without the benefit of an investigation up front because they've lost confidence in them It's certainly not unique to the navy. The Navy has culture of swiftly and decisively removing captains. If they lose confidence in them you know there are a number of noted. High ranking former former officials like Admiral Mullen. Who was former chair of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Street vitas whose former NATO supreme allied commander both of whom we have said they did not think it was appropriate for Crozier to have been relieved of duty so quickly without an investigation and that it would undermine morale on the other hand of course you had president trump who said that he thought it was not appropriate for Crozier to even write the letter. Take a listen. I thought it was terrible. What he did to write a letter. I mean this isn't a class on literature. He shouldn't be talking that way. In a letter he could call and ask and suggest he wrote a letter to try to save the lives of his sailors. Do you think that's terrible that he did that? Well Jake. I can't get too much into the facts of the matter because there is an investigation ongoing. This could ultimately come to my desk. I think secretary laid out very reasonably very deliberately the reasons why and I think when all those facts come to bear We'll have a chance to to understand. Why Secretary did what he did acting. Navy secretary moberly reportedly told a colleague on Wednesday quote breaking news. Trump wants him. Fired did ultimately. This decision wasn't made my president trump. This was secretary least decision. He briefed me about it. and I I got I took the advice of the CNO and General Milley With regard to it and I told him I would support his decision. I want to ask you about the sailors because you mentioned What was going on with them. A Pentagon spokesperson on Friday said the goal was to have a total of twenty seven hundred sailors off the ship by Friday evening as of yesterday afternoon only one thousand five hundred forty eight sailors had been moved ashore more than two thousand away from your goal. What's the latest and why has failed to reach the goal? When will everyone be off the ship? Well the navy is is is working that very carefully very closely The new commander We'LL BE OUT. There should be out very soon. there's not a need necessarily remove every sailor from the ship. You cannot do that. Because there's a nuclear reactors to be Ron. You have very sensitive the equipment. You have weapons on board that ship so you cannot completely evacuate the ship. So it's how you manage the crew to make sure you're protecting them. Segregating treating those new treated while at the same time maintaining the rightness of the ship in case it's called upon to get to see quickly doesn't the fact that the navy hasn't even gotten all the sailors off the ship that they said they were. GonNa get off by Friday night underlying captain. Crozier's concerned that the navy is not taking this seriously enough with the urgency it deserves. I think that's a completely false narrative. Jake the navy's been on top of this now for several days when it first came down that we had the first cases aboard the Teddy Roosevelt the CNO the entire military chain of command. Circe moly himself have been involved moving supplies testing kits providing support to the sailors from Guam at Guam They they were all in in terms of providing support to this crew the ship as it. Rodman port so I did. I disagree with that. I have a lot of faith and confidence in the navy leadership. I WanNa ask you about something else. Navy's doing the Navy has moved the hospital ships the comfort and the mercy to New York and Los Angeles respectively to treat non Corona virus patients help alleviate the burden on hospitals in Los Angeles and New York. Our latest numbers show that they're only a few dozen patients on those ships combined. What's the reason for that? And why not allow Corona virus patients on those ships as well given the fact that these outbreaks are really dire situation in Los Angeles and New York. Sure well first of all we've worked. These plans out closely with With the New York State and New York City I would say a major reason. Why is those two ships are ahead of need as set up front? Dod's been ahead of this curve from the beginning so whether it's the ships filled hospitals or a preparation of Eight sites around the country where we build hospitals another twenty two. That will come online the next two weeks. We've stayed ahead of NEAT here. That's factor number one number two is as As the ships pulled in we learned As a result of corona virus were seeing fewer trauma cases so the plan was to trauma cases aboard both ships freeing up much needed Room space in an hospital where you can segregate patients you can treat them corona virus and that way you keep the comfort mercy free to deal strictly with with trauma patients and not infect the trauma patients with Krona virus as we see now the problem is far greater when when it comes to corona virus. That's why we've opened up the javits center and other expanded hospitals around the country for virus. And we're prepared to leverage The The mercy and comfort as well to do that. I've given authority to the North Com commander to make that call when he needs to make the call but the important thing to know is those ships have something that nobody else possesses. They possess the ability to move quickly around the country along the shoreline to deliver a thousand bed hospital with hundreds of doctors nurses and technicians. So we want. If we'RE GONNA lose that capability we want to lose it as a last alternative speaking of capability. Obviously the military is still needs to be prepared to defend the country and execute. Its mission even during this corona virus outbreak. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark. Milley said this week there will be an impact her readiness. Do you agree. And how severe weather could be an impact rating this. We're watching it very closely. You know we've been at this. Since since January in fact on February first issued activate our global pandemic order on February third. I sent guidance out the troops in terms of how to take care of themselves because remember priority. Number two for me is ensuring we retain our national ready rightness capabilities military capabilities. So we watch it very closely All the units report that they're very capable of the remain re very ready. We have had to cancel exercises we've had had to constrain basic training for example. We think those are all manageable It's important that our adversaries no and that the American people know that we're on the watch we're prepared to defend them and defend our interests abroad secretary S. For thanks so much for your time today and please thank the the men and women of the United States military for all. They're doing to try to help out. During this pandemic we appreciate it. Thank you jake. They're all doing a great job and I'm very proud of them. Thank you so much sir so realistically how long should Americans expect they will need to stay at home? Governors of too hard hit states will join me stay with us. As the corona virus pandemic has four schools across the country to close teachers are scrambling to get their curriculum and their students online. I'm poppy harlow in this week. On boss files. I talked to two leaders who are supporting those teachers students and their parents during this crisis Russia Johnny the founder and CEO of girls who code and Joe Holland the CEO of teachers pay teachers. They talked to me about how their organizations are working to help the most vulnerable students during this uncertain time. You can listen to the latest episode of Boss Files. Wherever you get your podcasts. You're about to see kill O.`Neil like you've never seen him before. This is show about my life just because I have more than the average guy doesn't mean I'm better than the average guy. Jack like all new Thursdays at nine on. Tnt welcome back to state of the Union. I'm Jake Tapper. One of the states hardest hit by the corona virus is Louisiana particularly in New Orleans. The city with the highest death rate per capita from the virus in the United States. Joining me now. Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards Governor Edwards. Thanks so much for joining us your models current projection. Camacho's that New Orleans could reach twenty five hundred new hospitalizations per day at its peak around the end of April. You said on Friday that you could theoretically run out of ventilators on Tuesday is Louisiana really just forty eight hours away from Louisianans dying from Corona virus. Because you don't have enough ventilators well and obviously we're we already have Louisiana's dyin and we're like every other state we're modeling The growth of chronic our briars cases. And how many are going to need hospitalization? How many going to need acute care beds. Icu BEDS ventilators In every day we get new information. That informs our modelling. We now think it's probably around. The ninth of April before weeks are ventilator capacity based on the current number on hand. And that we're a couple of days behind that on ICU. Bed capacity being exceeded so as we achieve success in slowing the rate of spread. We also push out that date and critically important is the number of people who will present at to the hospital and not be able to get event or a bad a smaller number. So we're encouraging everyone in Louisiana to take social distancing to stay at home order very seriously because that's how we're going to save people's lives at the end of the day and whatever time we can by ourselves that gives us additional time to served our medical capacity which is what we're doing right now as we source of ventilators from the strategic national stockpile and from around the world and we're standing up beds at the morial convention center. Is You know this? This is a tough emergency and it's not different here than it is elsewhere. It's a little more cute. I think than in some places but this is a tough emergency. Jake governor so what day do you anticipate you will run out of ventilators and people will not be able to get them if they need them to live well. The current date based on modeling is the ninth of April and then the bed capacity would be exceeded on about the eleventh of April and is said we continue to update our modeling everyday. Based on the new cases in that region in the New Orleans Jefferson Parish region And and so we. We hope we can continue a downward trend on the rate of transmission of new cases that buys US little more time and as I mentioned That brings up a fewer number of people present on any given day and not be given the opportunity to to access a bed or a ventilator. Should they need them all right? But that's Thursday that's still. It's still stunning. I want to ask you. President Trump said. Hey it's a serious yeah. President Trump said on Friday that his team spoke with the CEOS of the two largest health systems in New Orleans and quote. They said they feel that. They currently have enough ventilators I don't know if the word currently doing a lot of work there But he seemed to be downplaying. The idea that ventilators are a problem. You're saying they're definitely a problem their problem and I do believe that those. Ceo's we're talking about current capacity that they have been layers that they need For the patients that they have now And it was the same day decision was yes but decision was made the same day in Washington by the Task Force to send two hundred more ventilators from the strategic national stockpile. The did arrive yesterday by way. so I I don't have any problem with what the CEO's were saying But but we as we look out into the future we we definitely see that we will exceed our bin Laden capacity At some point we're trying to push out as far into the future as possible but all of our modeling even under the best case scenario. Show that we will do that and again. We're modeling for the entire population in in Louisiana and specifically the New Orleans region. I think those hospitals see Ios. We're looking at their particular hospital and what they could do inside the walls of their hospital not necessarily for the entire population but they were talking about currently and and I think that's the difference. The biggest Mardi gras parades in Louisiana took place on February twenty fifth Just as the national outbreak was starting. In retrospect if you knew then what you know now would you have canceled Mardi Gras? You don't get a do over like that Jake There was not a single suggestion by anyone a doctor. A scientist a political figure that we needed to cancel Mardi Gras and and you know in February. We had a super bowl and it wasn't canceled and so forth So rather than look back. I am focused on today and going forward. We can't go back and change. What did it didn't happen before? And this is going to be an interesting study and I look forward to at some point being able to figure out exactly what role that played. But right now that is not our focus because it doesn't tell us what we need to know in order to go forward and save lives. The Washington Post reported that on February ninth. That's more than two weeks before Mardi Gras a group governors came to Washington DC. They had a White House gala there and there they also met privately with Dr Audi and with the CDC director Dr Redfield even though the president was publicly downplaying the outbreak those experts voucher and Redfield gave governors the same dire warning that they're giving now. I know you're in Washington for the GALA D. Did you meet with Ouchi and Redfield well? They actually spoke to a governor's only meeting And so all the governors who chose to attend that particular meeting were there and we had a briefing from them And we spoke generally about the novel Corona Virus I would say it is. It is not accurate to say that they gave the same sort of information that they are providing right now they have learned an awful lot about this virus about the disease that causes and the rate of spread and how to best stop it and so forth. We didn't get into anywhere near this level of detail Back in February when we were there for the National Governors Association meeting. That just didn't happen okay. Governor Hogan of Maryland says that it was the same message. Then that they're giving now. But I want to ask you about pastor Tony Spell of Life Tabernacle Church which is just outside Baton Rouge and your home state even though he was issued a misdemeanor summons for continuing to hold church services pasture spelled. Cnn just today that he's still planning on Holding Church services this morning you know. Obviously this is a dire health threat. You've made that very clear to all of the people in Louisiana. Should police break-up this large gathering that violates your executive order. Well you know Jake. We're not GONNA enforce our way out of this now. I'm still call them. The bond him to be a leader. He is a leader in the faith community. And I'm calling upon those prisoners to not go because it is grossly irresponsible. There is not a setting more conducive to the spread of the virus. As far as I know That that you know like we have when we have church services with people sitting in close proximity one another for an hour or two at a time And so it is irresponsible. Obviously he violating the order. He has been served a summons on that. I would hope that that he would. He would stop in law enforcement. Has this very much In their sights and I support the actions that they're taking but you know we have forty five hundred churches. The overwhelming majority of them are following the order. We have tens of thousands of businesses. They're following the order. We have four point seven million people and we're getting more and more compliance every single day So we're GONNA work through this is as well I'm appealing to pasture spell to do the right thing. And thus far he has not. It's very disappointing But the vast majority of pastors out there are doing the right thing governor Edwards. Thank you so much. Please stay in touch with us and let us know what you need and whether or not you need us to shine a light on things that you're not getting from the from the government from the business community that you need and God bless the People Louisiana will do that. Thank you so much. Check my next guest. Accusing President trump quote leadership malpractice. Is that keeping his state from getting the supplies that they need to save lives. That's next just don't know if I'm ready to face the world on my own Tracy. Morgan is back around edging. Tiffany haddish's back. We support one another. Everything is going to be. Okay the last. Oh Gee own new Tuesdays at ten thirty nine thirty central on TBS. What does leadership look like in times of crisis? I'm poppy harlow in for the next several weeks. My Show boss. House is going to bring you. Conversations with business leaders who are trying to navigate the economic fallout of the corona virus pandemic. In real time. We ask how. They're looking out for their employees. How they're planning for a future that will undoubtedly look very different for their business. Look for new episodes of this boss files special series every Thursday. I hope you'll join us. Welcome back to state of the Union. I'm Jake Tapper. Governors across the nation are scrambling to secure tasks and supplies for the residents and their their healthcare professionals on Friday the governor of Illinois slammed the trump administration's response saying quote. Every state is on their own and governor pritzker compared the atmosphere to the wild west the Democratic governor of Illinois Jay Pritzker joins me. Now Governor Pritzker good to see you again so leads catch up our viewers with Illinois. Is yesterday your state past ten thousand cases close to two hundred fifty deaths from corona virus. Your State Health Service reported that seventy percent of your ICU. Beds are now occupied. Seventy percent the chief medical officer Cook Health and Chicago told CNN that quote by the end of the week if we have not made an impact the models suggest we will be overwhelmed. How long do you have until your healthcare system is just completely overrun? Well it depends on what model you believe but let me just say this that. I think they zero in on the latter half of April. So we're really just less than two weeks away from the beginning of peaking We as you may know opened McCormick place. That's our version of the JAVITS center better. I would argue But it's our convention center in Chicago where we've got five hundred beds for a less acuity patients that we can move from hospitals who are. Kovin positive into a new facility. We're going to have three thousand beds in that facility soon and there were adding perhaps another fifteen hundred around the state. You said Tuesday that after you told the trump administration that your state needed four thousand ventilators Vice President Pence said that you actually needed one thousand four hundred ninety four thousand one thousand four hundred is one thousand four hundred going to be enough for Illinois to survive the worst. Look I pray that the vice president was right but let me tell you where I think. He got his numbers. He looked at a university of Washington model. That's out there. That people are accessing to look at every state. The problem is and it's a very good model except that the problem is they didn't put that model out there for research resource allocation reasons. They if you look at the model. There's a central point which is where it shows that Illinois needs only fourteen hundred or fewer than fourteen hundred ventilators But there's also a worst case scenario which shows that we would need five or six or seven thousand more and so look. We're looking at all of the numbers and everybody is taking an educated. Guess because we really don't know this virus is unpredictable so our guest is at this point that we need a few thousand more than we have now up to four thousand. That's what we've asked the federal government for and over time they've given us four hundred and fifty total now. We're looking everywhere and anywhere across the world to get ventilators. Here's the problem. The president didn't enact or use the defense production act until just recently and he used it with GM and with GM. When you talk to GM they'll tell you great we're gonNA produce ventilators mostly in. May and June. That's great and we've may need them in May and June. I hope we don't but in the latter half of April when we think we might be peaking there are no ventilators available and New York does not look like it will be coming off its peak. By the time we're hitting peak so the idea of moving ventilators from New York to other places I pray to God that's true But right now it doesn't look like that will be true. President Trump said yesterday That everyone needed to quote. Stop playing this with governors about allocating medical equipment from the federal government. And then I want you to take a listen to what the president said on Friday about the trump administration's new line of argument about the federal stockpile of medical supplies and devices. We have a federal stockpile and they've stayed stockpiles and frankly they were many of the states. We're totally unprepared for this. So we had to go into the federal stockpile but we're not an ordering clerk. They have to have for themselves. What's Your Reaction Governor? Well the president does not understand the word Federal Federal Emergency Management Agency we have a state of Emergency Management Agency. But if he were right why would we ever need a Federal Emergency Management Agency? It's because individual states can't possibly do what the federal government can do. We don't have a defense production act. There's no way that we could stockpile in anticipation of a pandemic that no one anticipated and yet the federal government is responsible for doing precisely that and we now know that intelligence sources and all the best advice that was given was given in. January and early February to the president and the White House and they seem not to have acted at all upon it if they had started in February building. Ventilators getting ready for this pandemic. We would not have the problems that we have today and frankly very many fewer people would die. There are eight states that have not yet enacted a stay at home order. You were I. Think the second governor in the country to do so behind California Governor Newsom but the the eighth states include your neighbor Iowa chairs the border a very long border with your state. What's your message to the governor of Iowa? What's your message to the governor's that have not enacted stay at home orders? Well look I I. It's not for me to tell the governor via what to do or the Governor Missouri. They only put their stay at home in very recently. And they're also a big border state for us but I will say that it was the job of the federal government. Look we are one nation here There's this virus knows no borders and so it was up to the federal government to begin with to to advise and to ask all the governors to put in stay at home orders. Those governors Republican Governors would have done it much earlier. If the president had suggested it much earlier they knew that at the federal level that that was the right thing to do. You can hear it in the words from Dr Fao Chee. Who I had many direct conversations with Dr Burks They knew it but the president was apparently reluctant And we see what the results are. Today the president has said that this is not going to last all that long. These Associated Press is now reporting the president. Trump believes that the NFL season will start on schedule. September tenth with fans in the seats. Your fellow Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom of California said quote. I'm not anticipating that happening in this state. What do you think about Illinois? Will THE BEARS BE? It's older field. Will there'd be fans in the bleachers while the bears are a great team whether they're playing or not but I will say this that it's not up to us. We don't know that none of us really knows but what I do know. Is this that if the researchers are able to come up with a treatment something that will save lives something that will keep people off ventilators? Maybe even keep them out of hospitals. Then that will be an enormous development for our country and for the future and it may allow us to begin to open things up. In the way that the president is describing. But the truth is that no one predicts now. We're going to have that treatment anytime in the next few weeks or even in the next month and no one really knows if we'll have it by September What we do know is that if you have a vaccine that ultimately will help us deal with the problem because it's either going to be a treatment and herd immunity that ultimately allows us to open everything back up or it's a vaccine governor Briscoe. Thank you so much. Good luck to you. Please keep in touch with us about anything. You might need to bring attention to it. Thanks Jake stay healthy. Thank you sir. Youtube Congress passed a bill to send many Americans a twelve hundred dollar check. Is there more coming off? The House. Majority Whip Congressman. Jim Clyburn is south. Carolina joins me next. Stay with us with a no-holds-barred election right around the corner. Take a look back at some of the most hard-fought presidential races throughout history the CNN original series race for the White House is back for a brand new season. Sundays at nine on CNN. Welcome back to state of the Union. I'm Jake Tapper. As millions of Americans wait for much needed financial help from the Federal Government House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi says Congress will be keeping a close eye on the trump administration's allocation of those funds with a new oversight committee chaired by the House. Majority Whip James Clyburn South Carolina. Who joins me now? Majority Whip Clyburn. Thanks so much for joining us. President trump on Friday fired the intelligence community Inspector General Michael Atkinson. Who of course was the one who informed Congress of the whistle blower complaint that ultimately led to the president's impeachment? The president said it was his decision and he did not run it by Congress because he has the absolute right to do what he did. What's your response sponsor? Simply this I think that that is one of the reasons Speaker Pelosi decided. This committee was necessary. We in the United States Congress Have Oversight and we must perform that oversight and we will do that to make sure that we save lives are. They're we save taxpayer money and she was very smart. I think to patent this committee after the trimming committed stood up back in nineteen forty one. It's kind of interesting Eric. Sherman said at the time he was a junior senator from Missouri at the time he looked back and what happened in the country after World War One and so that a hundred and sixteen different committed were stood up to investigate what was going on after World War One. He said at the time ethos much better to have one committee before the fat and that committee proved to be very very wise. According to history is the committed spent less than one million dollars but save fifteen billion dollars for the tax payers. And that's what Speaker Pelosi trying to do here. Get out in front of this to protect the American people so that it could be not on their save lives we can keep fraud and abuse profiteering garden. We see that all read it. The governor of New York recently said that Masks that he was spending seven cents for these now having to spend seven dollars for. Is that pass a price gouging? I think it is and that's what this committee is all about. This is not about the president of the United States or even the independent counsel or the Inspector General is about focusing on how the money spent whether or not the people who are getting. The money are actually working on behalf of the American people or whatnot. They're profiteering so this committee will only be looking at how the money is being spent. And whether or not a private businesses out there price-gouging you're not gonNA look at all at the federal response and why it took so long to get a federal response going that would have saved. Lives this governor Pritzker. Just put it. My understanding. Is that this committee will be forward looking. We'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING BACK. On what the president may or may not have done Back before this crisis hit the crisis is with us. The American people are now out of work millions of them out of work. The question is whether or not the money that's appropriate will go to support them and their families this a well. Not This money will end up in the pockets of a few profiteers tariffs and. That's what I understand. We are to do if we are pattern. And this after the minute and I spent the weekend Looking deeply into the Truman Committee and what happened since March one Eighteen forty one when it was stood up and stand up for five years and would be very very successful and I'm trying to base my work on this committee on the history. That's found with the work of that committee. Meanwhile the Congress of course needs to continue to do. Its job perhaps pass. Even more stimulus funds continuing to legislate. It's obviously very difficult for Congress to do so in the middle of a pandemic when there's so many concerns about people flying people travelling people congregating. Isn't it not? Is it not time on a temporary basis for the leaders of Congress to allow remote voting? So you can continue to do your job without any of you putting your lives at risk. Well you know a lot of people think that it is time for that and maybe it is. But here's what I know speaker. Pelosi has asked Jim McGovern chairs of our rules. Committee look at the Constitution. Look at our rules Look at the the rules under which we operate on the House floor and to see whether or not that is a way to go. I would much rather US respond to that issue after good study Jim. Mcgovern is a very good studied And Mick recognitions and then that's respond to that so I don't want to be Willy Nilly about this. I want us to make sure that whatever we do not be challenged. Us later on as having been unconstitutional or evaluation of our rooms. Let's make you get it right before the fact so we'll have to be spending a lotta time with a lot. Investigative Committees Looking back on what we did and maybe some of our actions that might have been as being constitutional and quickly surf. You could on a call last month. Lawmakers you said this was quote. This pandemic was quote tremendous opportunity to restructure things to Fit our vision. You've been criticized a lot by Republicans for saying that. What exactly did you mean by that I'm experiencing now. We are experiencing children out of school here in South Carolina I've there's a big article in this morning's local papers about children not being able to get educated because they're not online. That article is saying. We need to restructure our educational systems to accommodate something like this. We see the clothes in the rural hospitals for here in South Carolina. A state the other day that said eleven wrote hospitals have been closed. We need to restructure our healthcare delivery system so that these rural communities these low income communities in yet the goodness of this country that should be accessible and affordable for all. That's what I'm there and I would hope okay That the minimum Johnny in doing that. Majority Whip Jim Clyburn. Thank you so much stay healthy. Stay Safe Sir. We appreciate your time. Thank you very much have it. If I can take a moment I would like to speak directly to one person known to watch this show or at least clips of this show president trump Mr President. I know you like millions of Americans are eager to have the nation. Go back to some semblance of normal one of the questions. The American people need answered for that to happen responsibly. What's the plan? Is there a plan for widespread testing of every American so as to isolate the virus? The way other countries have done. When will there be enough tests for that to happen? How WILL THEY BE ADMINISTERED? Who will pay for the tests and the results who will notify us as to whether we've tested positive or not and what to do them? Is there a plan to make sure? Doctors and nurses and healthcare professionals finally are able to get the personal protective equipment or that they need. Those healthcare workers are quite literally dying while they try to protect our society and save lives. And they're they're begging for P. P. They don't need to be told that they're governors or their hospital. Directors are doing anything wrong by trying to get the supplies to protect their lives while they try to save our lives. They need to know that. There's a plan to get them the supplies. They need governors and mayors right now are literally bidding against each other and against the federal government to try to get these supplies. This is escalating the prices and causing confusion an unnecessary bidding competition. Is there a plan to stop that? What is it? What about ventilators New York City Mayor de Blasio said today would be the day his city could run out? Governor Edwards said his city or state could run out on Thursday. Is there a plan to expedite the manufacture of ventilators? It's still not clear whether you have fully utilized the Defense Production Act have you are any companies being compelled by the US government to make ventilators. And when will they be made? When can hospitals get them? What about the cotton masks that the CDC is now suggesting that we all wear when we leave our homes is somewhat manufacturing them? How can we get them? Is there a plan please? Mr President the American people. They need answers to these questions. They are less interested in your popularity on facebook. Thousands of Americans are in mourning their horrified. When you make leering allusions to your history with models while discussing projection models of mass American deaths attacking governors and mayors and journalists for asking questions that might please your fans. It doesn't save one life. This is not about winning new cycle on Fox please. The American people right now need someone to explain what is going to be done to get us out of this. It's a moment that requires leadership. It requires honest information. It requires empathy and it requires a plan. Do you have one. Thanks for spending your Sunday morning with us. Cnn's coverage of the coronavirus pandemic continues tax.
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Actually I'm a San Diego Comic it didn't do on this comedy thing I guess for a while now but it Kinda Kinda stop for a minute but now I'm kinda getting back in there everything's reintroducing myself you're getting re Lube Fuck Yeah and then our brand new regular co host Mr Td Cunningham how's it going queuing all right fantastic be here boys. Anyone WanNA little brought this. This episode of honorable discharge is GonNa be impromptu lead brought to you by what the fuck is an enormous screwball screwball peanut butter whiskey. I swear to fuck taste like drinking a god damned salted Caramel donut. That's it. That's a show thank you guys for joining us. Non Kidding wow this is tasty thanks. She has really good because I didn't make it. All has nothing to do with me. Of course my high blood pressure my oh it's definitely I mean with assaulted rim. You can't fuck up you absolutely can what's beautiful day in San Diego you guys glass bottle of whisky. You can almost only fuck up. Eh Tears yelling at my wife. You learnt there on dare. He came today impromptu guest Damian. You're you're always hanging around lurking lurking in the background You're just you're just in. La Yeah go great amazing actually met a bunch of really good comedian median so we're setting up a we got the shows comment on producing a few fundraisers launch fix and we've got a bunch come in with the vet TV thing. It looks like that's green lit so we're finding at got to talk to a lot of a good comedians. which did your first set of the I said at the Hollywood comedy store everybody first time yeah all right? Don't give them too much. Love you guys is it easy Max Maximilian Monakov and he was like man you. You're lucky motherfucker so you're definitely GONNA get picked picked for the open. Mike House like now I won't list that was a rough set you the first one so you get three but there's no warm up so Oh of course it's one hundred and fifty people out front so I don't think I'm going to go up so I don't really have. I know I know what I'm GONNA do. I got my three minutes but then when I'm up and they're like hey you're going up like okay start. Thinking of my three minutes is more. Hey you gotta go in young go in so I walk in sit down guys about to go up host and I'm thinking all right I gotta get three to five minutes and it's he's GonNa do an opener and do his set absolutely nothing he's just like basically hey coming up right now as the person who's got the worst spot of the evening t eighty Cunningham and it is just a bunch of jaded. La Comedians and I'm telling jokes about like my family and stuff which I go pretty pretty dark but they don't know me so they are just look they look at me and dislike. Oh the fucking guys especially at that point the night that's a lot of in comics performing for the only chuckles you might get in the back are hype up there like a six ten or something and there's just nothing but comics of the bag right your your head down. That was the good thing is I got some last like as soon as I got there. I was like oh I know. This is a fucking like a shooting I'm going to get shot here and then it was just like I was actually starting to get some laughs from the comedian so I was like all right. I'm telling jaded. La Comedians who don't know me jokes about my family on getting left so it made me feel that those jokes are at least they they were good but the whole thing was new to me so I kind of burnt like forty second. I I didn't and do my full three minutes because I didn't have something to start when the light came on. I didn't want to run it. I'd rather go out early then run it dare. You're an older store guy from way back in the Oh man no one has never worked there throwing out a lot. No actually I've been I've law he would go. I've actually started at stores like Bay back in like two thousand one specifically civically April twenty four two thousand one. This was of course a long time ago. I was still in the military at the time but I never there. I was just a little from my crew. You know trying to at least trying to get y'all level. You know but I mean I. I've never I'm glad you. I'm glad you didn't put too much into it but so what's that. What's that like when you're when you're trying to? Td I know you you can fuck and totally relate but like what's that like trying to be active during military wall trying to tell Dick Jokes till two in the morning I mean you gotTa do push ups at four. It's a precious window angry sleep there. I imagine that you're that you I mean what's that like wh- first off your a restrictive you know you can't see a lot of jokes that served isn't that like for you can't see anything about the president. You can't see anything about you know about Lake fficials. I got a little small story behind but that's so that's that's another fucking hillary any one of us on her radar because of your jokes I honestly honestly stay completely away from politics. I realized you stay away from politics should be all right and I mean kind of do self deprecating. Stay away from the military don't talk about the military. Get out really understood pretty safe well. I didn't care be frank so the funny thing about my what's the time is what's hard is as you start doing it for a few years a little easier because you'll get a little slack in the comedy community the Little Okay Yeah you can come up at eight or you. They'll work around you but that first year when no one knows you knowing about you and you also have money to beat solar like fuck this guy like it's proving assure you so that's when you're sleeping three four and it's not you think oh this will just be a few weeks. It is one to two years of right in the fucking Dick. Nobody wants nothing with you and it's just that's the hard part. Is You just you got no friends. Anywhere like work doesn't like it comedy doesn't let you know but you're just you guys are lucky I mean until this podcast like it's never affected your careers I've been living seven eleven. I'm just kidding aw what was your story about did you ever get in trouble on stage was just one time that I had my supervisor. I invited them out to my show. It was one time on and I was talking about the prisoner. Who Was Bush Junior senior? You got some rain. You're the burning Bush when you talk but no actually all I said I said was. I don't want to see the actual joke because I actually don't even remember them all but I I just all I remember was he said all right We need to talk the next morning and so I was okay. I didn't know what the Hell you talking about next year. You know there was this big report. She ran in front of me. You why he you sign this year. y'All it up yeah. Yeah I mean it wasn't in which I was e. Five hours historic e five at the time navy marines needed so so so I was I was in store. Keep a second class up. No you didn't write me up as far as like bring. The charges gave me a counseling so our like well God Dang I mean I can't invite you out much shows release field you know and then after that and the next day start talking about his as I told you I didn't care you know I was. I was suicide of here. Tell listeners with a little bit about your background. And how long were you in. Were you stationed in. La Yeah Duty Station did you get written up at it was my first my join out of China words you join out of Atlanta join out of Atlanta Atlanta managers will specifically look Boehner and and the date that I signed up was September eleventh of Nineteen Ninety the eight so that's that's you know. That's like oh boy as their base. They're doing medicine yeah. We're yet no no no. The mess was down I. I don't remember that it wasn't Atlanta. It isn't Atlanta. I just don't remember. I don't remember if it was downtown outskirt. Somehow I'm pretty sure September Eleventh Nineteen Nineteen Ninety eight is a completely worthless date. There's nothing attached at eleven two thousand one just a Wednesday newstalk reason dropping album how that I mentioned that I say that is because every time I say oh I joined the leave in September eleventh and ninety eight and they're like Oh. What a day numb like yeah? You're right. I just I do Campo pulling people out of the Towers Doc lucky mediates put try a Goddamn. AM tragedy lowers it was it was like eight years before dude well so what so how long were you How long were you stationed in your first station my house here in San Diego I was on the USS Fitzgerald as a matter of fact from December Twenty Ninth Nineteen Ninety eight to February third of two thousand three? You're like the rainman of dates right. I was a matter of fact I mean. Did you have to live on the ship pick yeah. That's what we do. We we are living in San Diego. You lived on San Diego her yet to be right back at twelve o'clock. DOC data getting married Fuck married lady. We're getting married. Mysteriously uh-huh Never and I knew people who did that. They just got married to live off base and well. I mean that makes but I mean like I. I was stationed stationed in Hawaii. The first time I ever got stationed off base. There were just like the dorms are full and you can go all right. That's cool. We're GONNA give you like twelve hundred dollars. Yeah Air Force Yeah. You need to find a place in Honolulu and I was like go on so I got this fucking. I got a bomb fucking condo. It was in in one of the sky rises out and like dude you walk right out on the La- Ni- In fucking Pearl Harbor the memorial just over to the left you can see diamond head and you're like this is fucking awesome and then like two days later I went to Iraq but I didn't even know that you could like. I was like sweet. I got an apartment. WHO's GonNa Watch my apartment? I didn't know that like you could break orders. Break Your your orders and let them know so you can pocket exactly the whole fucking time I got back from Iraq. Mike fucking Dick head army brother my biological brother who is in the army station in Hawaii and I was like yeah man when I went from Germany I was like I want to go to Hawaii because my brother others there. I want to connect with my family and then they sent me to Iraq while it was in Iraq he got divorced squatted at my fucking even tell you that's why he yeah he did not fucking. Tell me now you got me back and fucking war dude in this place that I scrubbed because I knew I'm like man. I'm coming back from fucking war. I'm gonNA MM sleep for a month and not new shit. I get home and my brother picks me up at the airport. He's in a fucking sue. It's Hawaii like like we're in the mafia so he like what the Fuck Court for Dui car on the way back to my place like soil the wife and I are done and you been living at your place for a while and by the time I'm like Yoda traveled for seven days. I'm punch you eight fucking. I just need a minute to get over this and and yeah go in the fucking sink full dishes the places and clean and I'm like every single fucking person in this building yeah shitty. Oh you guys ever have anything like anyone ever school your your deployment assets. No I mean I I know ship socks ships faulk and horrible and I would do whatever I could get comedy on a ship band comedy. All types of comedy can be it wouldn't be silly. Looks the deal with aircraft carrier screen and you gotta get off the what what I used to do is so one thing Bingham actually known for in RECON is being gay. I stowed so I was on ship and I still was stealing all the spoons and throwing them overboard when we were on the MMU for like a good nine months fuck. Would you do that because like after few weeks pugilist burials with like forks and getting in fights so I actually got written up I gotTa Counseling Ford for General Mayhem because like my platoon sergeant opened up a Isu and a like a whole because I was doing it so much it became like obsessive have pockets full of spoon so I didn't know what it's fucking weird dude well and then he said they were trying to find out what had happened to the spoons a whole ship they're having in all these meetings about it and he just opens up this quad con in like a waterfall of spoons falls on and he's like he didn't ask Cunningham getting in my book the Office Right Now he knew exactly we're going to need to talk about it. You can get a listen name Char's words general as it may it was general main I'm in the counseling dot and get a charge counseled me and told me to stop doing fifteen is just like general dereliction of duty mayhem six do like fighting in you'd see someone eating cereal with a fork in the whole day is just ruined like get in fights in the Chow Hall. Send the Galley and I'm just times. You just need that one that news pop tarts yeah I just needed. I needed like every good morning I go to the child. I'll get my usual shift breakfast but I I still every pop tart could just eat them out on out on fucking duty. What are you saying Mommy Miss no that's classified no no I was basic and lackland than it went to tech school all in Gulfport Mississippi just before Hurricane Katrina hit like like a year before and then wild that happened while Katrina happen I my first duty station and was Spangdahlem Air Force base in this little farm podunk cow town in Germany on the France? I Luxembourg board of the IT's horrible. They got that in Hawaii I know they got like a ten warthogs at that base which is so cool because I was civil engineer. We'd go around like we'd have to fix hangar doors and stuff there those no no no they they. I think they just reapproved a man. I think they're going to be around for another decade. Those you can't get rid of that. Those those things are like they won't get rid of the fucking canteen but they want to access the a ten warthog like every fucking troop deployment now has rocketed camelback or flask flask sin those fucking basic training canteens Vietnam. We needed shit. We've invented Danley camel for gas mass. You can drink with your Mash Ashkelon. That's why they use. Hey radio land out there. If you can come up with an attachment for your camelback that goes into your gas S. masked Ron Ripley gets percents for 'em ver- dude I have a friend. He works for a company that most people do now. He works with military so right. Now we do underwater drones stuff that were that's the military unit I'M IN X. Pretty very slutty but hey he works them as a contractor and he developed basically while at work an entire new way to do basic to transport these drones thrown on the back of smaller boats now had he he had developed it because he was going to sell the concept. It's worth hundreds of millions of dollars would have changed his life but because he developed elevate while he was on basically working there they just took it didn't know anything legally couldn't pay him anything and now the it's it's all over the hundred and that's why you know. He was just like hock dude because he didn't know he'd had no idea patent. Law apparently is someone was telling me about it. He was one of the guys told me about but apparently patent law is actually a really hard area yeah because you have to also be like an engineer and a lawyer so you gotta to go to law school and then you know how rich you gotTa know how to develop fucking widget for a jet engine or something. That's pretty clever. Burned got burned shifting gears. What's the funniest Internet video seen this week anything slutty letty anything sexually this morning with Kassir trying to get that guy that's wanted for counts of murder and he's running around naked in the cop is running away afraid afraid of the negative here she runs up and chokes are due at one point? The cops stood into anything. It's like a it's like a sixty year old fucking doughnut cop and Virginia. It's the back I story is this this guy is suspected of killing this minor league baseball players wife mother-in-law and some other person that was related to this guy. He's there and yeah. I got Laura. it was in the South Florida Virginia Yeah so just where I saw the video there were like Virginia. Jinyan man leads police on new chase and I'm like he's got my interest. Ok Click on it and immediately. It's like it's a cop holding holding. Ar Platform type rifle like chasing a naked man and like the naked. I'm like all right. He's naked the naked guys running out the COP and the COBB isn't like doing anything like where's your tasers so there is no tasers I mean it's a naked man. I understand the COP doesn't WanNa like use excessive force yeah but you don't have a tasers naked persons. I mean you're running. Data cop like the COP is winded to the point where like you can see like they try to like. Call it in an the next thing you know they're radio is dangling so cop starts chasing the naked naked guy around naked guy evades cop and goes over somebody's just they're like they'd run over to a parking lot. It's like a grassy field next to like some kind of shopping complex or something so the guy runs from the field crabs. Just this random old man seven year old man trying to get his car starts choking him out. I'm like Google now. He's assaulting a civilian. You have every right to fucking. I can shoot this guy. I mean I know he's naked but like your ten feet away with an ar like you can't shoot him in the fucking ass and disable this nutjob like he's running around nude plug them in the ass detained him shoot him just shoot it only has that much you just shoot them as soon as he's like. Hey what's up. How but that's the funny thing is making up to this guy? He's just getting his truck. This older guy the guy just lily hands around Virginia. Nobody shot audio video. You've seen admitting yeah I hear all the places editing are video today so I was like looking pictures of a reduced lung capacities so I saw a lot of really tragic pictures of lungs so easily the naked man funniest funniest thing I've seen online all day. I don't really watch online online video leg. I'm not a Youtube Kinda. I don't do I scroll through the old technically face Shimmy. Hells special is released east on Netflix so let's Internet video. That's have you seen and the phone rang so let me tell you a good. I'm gonNA tell you how genius Chapelle is as far as his marketing witness anyone overseeing any kind of advertisement on you too as far as his first best were just happen any any advertising any advertising in any none none. I've never seen yeah no ethics chapelle man well. Who's going to give them a bomb? Johnson's Johnson is not only David Chapelle but but this the material you know he knows that that the material Mr David to you asshole Mrs Chapelle Kelly Kelly Nice fucking interesting man 'cause you know if as material like what sponsor will WanNa touch a comic even in an hour special where he may be talking thing about like hey man. It's an outrage culture transphobic transforming trans like that's such a interesting and not only that but see he knows that the media is gonNA advertise them too because everyone is all over life doesn't need Burger King. Will you understand what I'm saying. They know the media is they're all about controversial. You know what I mean. Oh what did they say so. He's GonNa get that advertising. You know I think the media the big biggest corporations win off that is certainly net flicks. He Oh yeah Oh yeah they all they had to do. Send out an email of what's going coming coming up. That's what Netflix is usually they'll like Chapelle and all they do say that it just has to be said everyone's or even not said you just turn on net flicks like several months to turn it on every day. I'm not putting it by any means but like everyone's have you seen it. Some people are like at fucking socks. Repent other people are like it's the greatest thing I've ever seen Liam dislike nope. I'm not I don't I haven't seen it yet so that are from socks. I can see people getting offended by it if they don't listen to the jokes this is America America people get offended by by by their own fucking selection saying that's a motherfucker who doesn't know what they're talking. That's just somebody right. Contrary that it was is by no means like George some of the George Carlin stuff that you see in his later when he was doing pumping him out one every year and you'd see a few of especially like come on George Short like it wasn't like this was Dave at top of his game his net had next. Where would you rate it? As as far as Dave chapelle gives it his greatest work no no conceal equanimity and all that stuff those the ones that he released right after he got out and the two do I mean technically it was four but the those are better but I mean he had more time. He developed this again on his those once he had like almost a decade okay develop thinking a joke sitting around right and doing his I mean this. This one was developed in an eighteen to twenty four months period. It's his it's good though it's really good ed great well. The thing is is like undisputably Chapelle is one of the best comics to touch the MIC yet in my generation hands down and the thing is it's like from having a carpentry and builder background like I understand the level of journeymen craftsmen you know apprentice master master you know like the difference between all those all those classifications in an apprentice is somebody that's just like learning to clean tools so they learn what tools are and that you're open. MIC Comic Nick Dave Pell is a fucking master. He's fucking norm. Abrahams of comments like this guy can build a shaker shelf out of fucking shitty ass punchline because he's just that good that that comes from spending decades working on this and so it's just I was interested to see like is it. His best work is it is it it's not as I it's not even close to but you can tell he's not hanging his hat on. He's got more O'hare. This isn't as he's not retiring on this. Now I think actually one of the best swansea did was when he hit the road with him John Stewart so him in Jon. Stewart picks yeah did theater show is basically a lot of political stuff misstep you couldn't you had to see it live and I don't know if they did any special but CNN did a bunch of interviews with both I mean it was really good that was probably some of his best of but it was more political boom in your face Derek name your top three comics. Go Chris Rock. Chris rock is one cat Williams. There's another one Alonzo Boone does not favor to do you like Latino comedy alive solid we the go-to in yeah he was around reasonably was out Alonzo who aren't like like a goat's horns. Were not go playing these are the guys are della still that is still here. You noted still warm but my ultimate favorites not I mean like not your old of the ones that are just like you would see see on a Thursday night at you know in ACC yourself you'd see still torn around like the new ones coming up. The ones that are gonna we need people like Brian Ashton. Is I mean he's still really low. I I would say like Delina Eh one. That's about to break as a act or I'm talking about lower than delay but yeah yeah I mean delays primetime shows. NBC Yes yeah I mean he's wildly popular fellow one of my favorites dude. I mean if you'd say posts in I'd say Assan Yeah Sauna he he's going to you know like I really like his humor. I like both of them. they're both really cheap. Posted Austin was host and Joe Roebuck. Joe Rogan shows to see somebody that you know just go out on stage like one of the most famous comedy clubs and introduced one of the most famous comics on the planet God and we went up -gratulations Sake Max Max and I went up there and Max ax Stadi- crashed Derek's house and the next day which was yesterday he stayed for that show and he was sitting next to joey has ask Joe Rogan like talking with like all see you did your first time at the storm and did you go to ground. What do you mean it is you you wouldn't say what do you mean if you'd take a grind? It's the place where all the comedians go at at the comedy store to be way like the smoking section where no cameras are are allowed and stuff like that so that'd be passed or got to be passed asked God I wouldn't even ask I mean honestly honestly the shit that's probably happened in sacred ground to my understanding is is highly. It's easily more like intense insane more prolific lady than anything what's happening those stages so they fill out right in front of me yeah when we were there for Mris Mris Shebang is if you got so anytime you go up there you can get on the mic right uh-huh every Monday. Oh yeah because I got so much fucking gas money got gas money out of my pocket and also I'm also ah no would be allowed if you just showed up. I mean every Monday and you know every week I don't see I don't know about six table. You can call up. Call it on my way before we're supposed to call up and just say hey we're coming up and and and they wouldn't care if you went there every week I don't think so because they they have enough stages and I can't confirm that but I feel like they have enough stages that they could put us somewhere with on just because no that only put us though are if they get on the mic they would give us a friend of SPA drive worth it to work in the store is is because I would go every fucking Monday straight up I would leave. I mean it's own and drive. I wouldn't go up to Hollywood probably once every three or four months four times. Some of us go up once or twice a month. I mean that'd be a next time. I'll bring you bring your next. If you guys gone offer me my thing is school. Dude just started school again. I'm one of those veterans using the old evoke Rehab are dropped out years ago autumn. It's not a matter of Monday's for me. My first class is at nine in the morning on Tuesdays which is awful but I have to be at campus by seven thirty thirty just so I don't have to put the school yeah fucking nerd well. I'm GonNa be something not just a marine to. They're put your getting scammed bro. It's computer stuff. That's all on the they'll. Just give you a but you know what that might. It's funny because I've been thinking on this recently. I had three reasons to move to California from the East Coast because I used to WANNA marijuana was one of them loser. Hey men if you're gonna go to where it's happening okay so we it was one of them. I just I just I just didn't WANNA be have people in my life that they open up the door to my garage and they go stinks like pot here Ron fuck those people get the fuck out of my life okay. That was one thing so that was Kelsen Garage Ron get the fuck out of here no but then college was another reason. I wanted to get educated here because if you're anywhere in the United States and and you and and this is even true overseas for some reasons like if you go overseas right now. I don't know why but people don't like Americans but if you say you're from California l. -fornia that's that's a blank slate. They're like Oh kind of fucking. You're going going back back to New York City though same shit in New York and probably California if you say you're from Iowa Fuck but that was educated in California is aside gives other people big old fucking wide on like if I wanted to go work in Chicago San Diego gets me in the door a little bit more than anybody else and the third reason. Va Care thought it'd be we'd again. I mean I almost four four with. Va Care you know after hearing things like hearing stories about guys trying to drive four hours to get to a clinic to get you know their their therapy and stuff like that. I was like you know if I'm going to relocate relocate. you know that's not that's not a hill. I'm trying to die more active duty. Military Americans are in San Diego anywhere else in the world. Not even including veterans veterans in San Diego California has more actual serving military than anywhere else on the planet and that's not even just veterans and all. That's why this is a big navies big. What if you count all the people in Hiroshima I mean they don't there's no technically duty Roche that that was a bad joke? I mean it was bad and it's too soon. Honestly really I mean it's only almost one hundred years soon grew to sorry so here's my thoughts on internment camps. We'd like to have a good time yeah but I was thinking that as I was driving back I was like Goddamn Dude. If I could get a job at the store I would be there every fucking Monday. You know that no one a bit does any hiring at the store listen. I'm not saying that I'm just saying like and then that's what I wanted to ask you. When I got here was like is that the case can you go up every Monday? We I mean that's I would. I'm sure people have I've never I've just never done it. If you know like once I get out of school fuck yeah I mean once I don't behalf to worry about final exams in bullshit like that then it's full on comedy for the time being it's I went to Iraq man. I got this. I did a lot of bullshit it to get this paper and I'm I'm just having I'm going to graduate because of my you know with my. Gi Bill and my vote Rehab like I will graduate and be debt free. I won't be one of the American it's like buried in college debt and I can again being debt free means I can pursue comedy and and get paid with salad you know at the end of the night and it doesn't and fucking break me which is why a lot of people give up. You know that's why there's like you know open mic. They'll Mike for two years and then they'll realize like okay. This is a hobby but I gotta give it to the cubicle. Typical 'cause fucking rent is due. There's a bail and then there's a lot of people who have that support and then they don't give up and they really fucking shit of. That's yeah that's it's another one one little encouragement. Everyone like Nice doing comedy comedy so ego driven every- everything like and it's it. I've never experienced anything more true to that. It's just you know it's you're performing. You're in front of people and when you can make a dark room full of people full of people laugh and you have them and and you just do kill it. That's that's better better than heroin. Oh my God gives ten more minutes. Give me ten more minutes in the funny thing is you can't bomb well. You can bomb on heroin but it's like if you ask the go up for another five five minutes or like if I need to ten minutes maybe that five was your perfect you know if you did tan you would have fucking lost them at seven and they would have wanted to fuck in Lynch you by eight or nine and you know what I mean so for whatever reason when it's right it's right in the moment it has so much do dynamic. It has everything to do with the crowd. That's in the room. Have they liked the jokes that they've heard. Is The music good. Are they hungry. Are they cold in. Oh guess what you're really trying to manipulate eight people wounded getting doomed to laugh at what you find funny I was I I've been writing and like looking at the actual process of writing and found out like AAC personally instead of trying to write something that's funny. I think of things that either pissed me off or embarrassed me like something that in my initial reaction is like so. I shouldn't say that to anyone else then I'm like Yep. That's a joke that's GONNA be usually how it with my wife honey. What do you think about this? She's please feel God's that's going into the act now embarrassing for me to say or it makes me angry. That's usually a topic where I'm going to make a joke and just trying to be like it's it's funny. Cats are funny. CATS CHEAP DAD's. Let's what about you guys. What what's the premise that you guys have? Have you ever been so committed to a premise like I love the idea of this Joe and everyone else's like get rid of that but you know you don't get you. I'll admit I mean every it well. I threw it away. I'll admit it wasn't I'm not I'm not gonNA. I'm GonNa Tell You my joke O'hare yes. You're the bride it back last last week in a bombed again after years. It was funny where I just say semi professional tap dancer in Israel Israel easy to be good at something that nobody the ninety eight percent of the country's never tried and twenty minutes a day. You're better than your the top two percent of all the bombs. Have you get sucked. I've seen it happen I. I actually kind of think but it's if you're sitting there in the audience. I don't tap dance announce. A black guy tapped because one of the most famous was on the plan lands that Black Glover. Who was the Guy Gregory all of a sudden? We're all fucking tap dancing. What Gregory Hinds was one of my favorite actors growing up man Billy Chris gaining yeah? They did a lot together what was said slickers slickers fucking love case only. I don't think I've seen that I cannot imagine billy crystal's Cobb yeah. It was a really good movie but I'd be like I got caught by this guy. Fuck Outta here. I had a premise that actually was told wouldn't be good and it kills. It's one of its my Mike Gossip joke about like like where I say I don't my friend thinks told me he's a man's man and I'm not what I'M A. I'm I'm not into things that men are traditionally and do like football and tobacco you I'm into gossip and then go into a Gospel and kills every time time and I knew it would and I got told like four times by different. People like don't do that joke. It's not gonNA work. I'm telling you it's Haggai fucking did it in in every time I was like fuck knew it but there hasn't there hasn't been one almost everyone that I feel like it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy like like I look at. It and I'm like this isn't GonNa work then it goes out and I almost think like it probably would work if I had confidence in it or it never works the first time and then it just throw it out anyway like I got to have confidence morty. It's all about confidence. I don't have anything that I'm like I've been to I've been like this is going to work and then get out there like Oh. That's dodge it. I got thrown out Do you like I love my Lego jokes but they you know there's like because I love Legos uh-huh like you know no matter how clever I think they are like some people again sometimes like their punny the whole I they have a premise that like I built I made a sex doll out of legos own people people freak out about stepping on them who wants to put their dicken them you know but I have I have a pegging fetish unless you're familiar with Legos that that pegging line might not make sense and so sometimes you you know you might lose them there but the idea the joke goes on. It's like you know the problem was that this Lego sex doll like the fuck and I couldn't keep up with it was overwhelming and so I had to actually build a second Lego. Go Sex doll to fuck the first one and I'm not overwhelmed anymore. It's actually a really rewarding experience. Watching all of these pieces of my sex life finally come together together. That's like eight Pun. I see that and as much as I love that like it tickles me. I don't do that Joe don't you. Can you get rid of it. Get rid of it so I think that was one that I told for a long time and I have dropped it from my act i. I don't think I've told that one in a long time unless unless I I think I brought it back like a couple of weeks ago when I just felt like that the crowd was like industry shitty puns like that. How long is your now? I can confidently say I have thirty twenty of them are okay. Ten of them are good thirty minute. You could do yeah probably and probably twenty of it could be clean. I mean honestly it's like barkeep. Bingo is a five minute joke I can do. I can do ten minutes on shitting on my wife. the military in itself is like depending on who I'm talking to. I've I know I've got a solid tight five on military alone those three tight fives or fifteen right there and and if I just expand on him like you know that's bringing legos bring in traveling. You know like it depends on where you're at like. You can get away with so much much but I mean would you. Where where do you think your I did? how big your Dick I did five when we tape that thing thing for TV. How'd you feel great? there was still some newer stuff. I put in there that I've kinda round out the edges I do maybe funny. If your shitty ship made the video God Damn I could do thirty. I feel like I feel good at fifteen of enduring fifteen confidently easily like back to back fifteen minutes minute says all day afoot are they all good yeah. Fifteen minute ones is that's pretty much once I hit that I've got fifteen like memorized memorized ready to. I wouldn't even need to throw anything in but the differences with me I don't. I don't change anything like the room I could give have a flying fuck about who's there. I don't care I don't read the room get and then it literally will be like a minute into I'd be like Oh. You didn't laugh at that. Well the next fucking fourteen minutes are going to be pretty painful. It hasn't hurt me yet. It hasn't that's funny. I used to know somebody they had his quote. They told me they're like comedy is like raping somebody. It's not about how much what they want. It's about how much you're gonNA give on and how much you're gonNA to make him take in. It's okay. That's like the worst fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. WHO GETS I forget? Actually I think it was out in lose office. I overheard that cops. They don't do it very very dangerous. That's a very dangerous thing and I WANNA get back to that but how where did you. Where did you land like what like? How long could you be on? Can you be on stage and you're gonNA just like after X. amount of minutes. I'm like all right territory twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty right now yeah you know Damian will you I've done. I haven't done half for now for a couple of years so probably like thirty five Isaiah thirty seven now the newer stuff I mean so I feel like that's pretty accurate. Td I gotta say not giving a fuck who's in the room. That's fucking dangerous because I mean as far as I'm concerned like you're there for the room like your material curiel doesn't matter you're there for the room audrey okay you know it's like if they're all bunch of fifty year old people and I go in there and I start talking about Coachella and then I say you're in for twenty more minutes. People will be asking for the money I know before I'm going into that. I do my research. I know what kind the crowd I'm getting into him with. The only thing I'll change is when I walk in. I know I'm like Oh. I don't look at the room and be like Oh this. These people are this caller. I look like how many aren't there's a lot of people here. I'm not gonNA try a bunch of new ships see what they want like. Damien will go John Anytime Damian goes on before me. He's got a joke about being in the Air Force for a cup of coffee basically and I've people and I've never seen it not get laughs and and if people don't laugh at that correct that I'm like yeah no I mean I have seen it not get laughs and when I see that not get laughs. I'll scrap my military shit because I just feel like all right they don't. They're not responding to military stuff so I'll talk about relationships instead. The holidays are coming up. I'll tell all my holiday jokes or something like that so you try to get not giving like dude if Jerry Seinfeld's in the room that's like all right. I don't give a fuck about that like I'm GonNa throw down and and do my thing anyway whether Jerry's is in the room or not but as far as the people who paid to see me. I WanNa make sure that they get their money's worth it. It's a different I it's hard to explain because it comes across awesome differently than what it actually is what I actually do but I don't concentrate like essentially I know what I'm going to do and every time I've I've broken every time I've walked into a room and looked at the room and Ben like made a judgment. It's always been worse. It's always been if I when I was done if I was just like hey you know what the fuck you're doing. You had it. You had everything the setup exactly how you wanted. Your set was exactly how it should have been. That was your best stuff pace the way it should have been and it would have worked there. It'll work anywhere trusted when I walk into a room and I look and I'm like Oh shit. These guys aren't going to like this all right. I gotTA sweat and then ten minutes before reforms which and it just doesn't hit and it's kind of like this thing like it's not I don't just walk into a room and I'm like fucking. I got this. I'm just that good. It's I've done so much. Preparation put so much work into my set that it works it works on old people works with women works with black crowds worked Mexicans works. White people works all in a a young old a I just I just work. That's announced at the point where I'm like working my set and trying to add more on. Do you try to clean more than that. It'll be where I'll change. It's where I start being clicking. Sometimes people don't want to hear clean. Sometimes walk is the punch line in a in a joke when when you tell Dad Joke you drop an f-bomb it it gets the twenty year olds laugh and other times but other than that. I'm trying to pull try to be as clean as possible. No it's harder to in this is I'm not sound like like I'm trying like on my like an old comic like that but I've always heard that is that you always start off clean and then from there moved oof too dirty you know because it's hard to transition from dirty to clean you know is just say to if you go in path to keep that up twenty thirty of it that's why I always try to go and then do spikes like I'll go in a little low and then spike and then come back doubt like a kind spike and that I think eventually it will get to the point where it's again once you get to that thirty year level of mastery like with the Great Sav have like they can they can read a room they just I mean I've tried not to plan out myself too much. I know my jokes and I think that's what you're getting at. It's like I don't care who's in the room. Oh my God get up there and I got. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA do my set because I know works but then again you know you have like I'm sorry but see you got some audience members that no you're you're. You're a comic legend like thirty years into the game the ordinance members yard and know who who you are your material have their laughing is is that they are. You're in the same year thirty nine. I can't wait. I mean just think about it too like if the audience new comedy Tom They'd be doing comedy at that. That's the other times you're you're kind of switching up your shit that you know who the fuck are these my i. I want to say I love the people I love performing for the most are the people that come up to you afterwards and say I never do. I can never do that because for for them. You know that they had such a good time that they're they're. They're being reflective on themselves to say like. I wish I'd like. I connected with something so much. I wish I could emulate that some degree sometimes that's like a encouragement you if you had a bad setsuko to go ahead. I would've fucking kill myself. After five minutes broke fucking stuck with it yeah I I mean I don't mean it to shit on the crowd but that person who saying that that kind of proves my point is like they're saying they can never do it. They recognize can never do so. Why are you going to switch your act up for what they would like? They don't really even know what they will. They're going to hear it and laugh because because like Oh shit that's or you should just like I mean firemen enough for a fireman I would never run into burning buildings to save people. I'm not that kind of hero the hose pressure in the time when he goes to like for that one in person at one fireman that professional fuck and firemen the guy on the calendars you know he's climbing up the ladder. Don't you think when when he gets to that window you know and that that beautiful fucking person is all like Oh thank you for saving me. Take this kid. Don't you think that firemen appreciates a little bit of the note. Appreciate your endanger. What up and you just wanted to give me? I'll save you're saying it. Can we think the firemen looks at the fire and sees what's going on and then then goes and sees the people inside and he's like what would those people want me to do and he's like fought those people they don't existing. IRA The fireman airman sees the fire and he's wandering barbecue is going to be later because he's a fucking firemen. No He's like that's my job. How do I attack it? That's how I'M GONNA get. He doesn't care the crowd or the people. CNN The people inside he saving her here to save lives dogs just here to knock fires out. That's interesting. That's I mean. I don't know the Laura how I say it. What's what's the meanest fuck you give ever given to the audience? Just show me Weiner or what have you ever been rude to the audience. Have you ever been like you know what fuck you never have either. Never am I have I okay thank you honey. I've never left the stage. No no I won't ever Donnelley. I've lost much a lady once but it's Winston since so there's only like five people in their wait till next comic because I figured he would give her shake who Bob Hansen say Shane Bob why your God damn about I had this one I'd rich lady heckling me once and she was on a date just her her man in the front row. She's all plastic surgery out in this guy's bigger the fucking house and she just won't shut the fuck up because she's like like to wines and Zanex deep so she's just mouthiest fuck and I forget it was like for like three minutes. It's I'm just dealing with them and we all right now. You got my attention and she fucking looks up at me and she's like I fucking hate your jokes. Just look. I love your tits. Want fucking get the fuck Outta here starts laughing. I'm like Oh my God. I thought that guy was gonNA rush. Me that ended up. Well reminds me who so what was the story of you almost throw in some dude out of the comedy store with his We had a fuck nosy. What oh it's a fun gossip gossip two team oh all set the mood fuck all right so this fucking Guy he's in the show room and he's like texting throughout the whole performance and I guess the the performer noted it and it just kept happening three door guys come up and say hey the fuck dude turn off your phone or take it to the lobby so he does he goes out to the lobby sends his tax this Guy's wearing a sport coat and khaki shorts and and there are cracks but they're crock ask you know and you've got a fucking data scarf on right like John Lennon Glasses fucking the weird tied into his hair ponytail sunglasses? I mean there's there's a million jokes about what this guy fucking looked like. Retarded is definitely the punch line you know and so oh he's out there and he's taxed in and then he starts asking like why the hell can I text in the showroom and people are like hey you can text in the show because there's a performance formats going on and blah blah Blah Blah but then he starts going over to the bar and he starts nagging Mikey and the managers and stuff about like hey can't be doing that. Why why did they tell me? Why did he throw me out I can't I can't do that and they're like hey? We got a full fucking bar here man. We got you know we're serving people. I'll tell you what you WANNA complain. You can write down down whatever you want. Come up to us after the show we'll give you all the contact information you need but we're fucking busy and you can't text in the showroom deal with it. He goes and he sits down in the lobby fucking angry Texan Texan Texans and he starts raising his voice. I'm on point circle around like hey keep your voice down then. He's mad that I just told him to keep just fucking voice down. He starts going over the bar saying like you. I'll do you know who I am. Do you know who I am playing. That fucking card turns out. He's telling everyone at the the bar that talion he's the owner of toss spear and I am one of Donald Trump's kids godfathers to you buy this bar I will have you all fuck you fuck you in the meantime like all right now all the securities around were like get the fuck Outta here so then well. I'm a poor person who took the busing connects. He starts yelling at he starts yelling at Matt Matt the bearded door guy like that's like telling cirque works shut up shut up and get the fuck Outta here the manager's. We'll comp him his drinks. Get him the fuck Outta here. He starts at Matt. Are you even educated do you. GD I went to Harvard. I went to Harvard Harvard. Shut the fuck. Shut the fuck up. Get the fuck Outta here right and so so he fucking he's like screaming screaming screaming. He's off fucking pissed off and then we're like all right. That's it. We're getting them out of here. We're getting them the fuck Outta Outta here and go over to like get the fuck out here. I'm in the guys facing. Get the fuck Outta here. Get the fuck out of here and he's like Oh. This is defamation of character. You guys I've been I've been assaulted here tonight like no one's fucking touch dude. You're being an asshole. Why are you throwing me out because we've told you you being of a disturbance Texan in the showroom were business that can refuse service to anybody? I told you to get the hell out now. You're like now you make me leave now. No are we opening that door boss and he's like yeah make me leave. Make me and I'm just like are you fucking serious. Is this the type of human being you are and I can tell like the whole time like the guy just wants me to hit him so he can fucking sue the company or whatever and it's just like dude. Get the fuck Outta here European Shit. You're just a piece of shit and this is your racket and your third and we've been telling you get the fuck out so get the fuck out. Matt starts deal when I will get a broom. I come out mothers yeah motherfucker. I'M GONNA sweep you out here like fucking stray cat if you get the fuck Outta here and he's like make me. I'm like anybody behind the bar. WanNa help anybody any any on my team here. Like what are we doing here. What the fuck are we can? I use the fucking his head to open the door on the fucking way Outta here. He's like you make me leave and I'm like all right. Here's what's is going to happen. I'M NOT GONNA. I'M NOT GONNA do this but we're gonNA call the COPS. They're going to come here. I want you to call the cops. NO WE'RE GONNA call the COPS. I want you to call the COP. It's happening calling him right fucking now oh good when they get when they get here Sir you're gonNA replay this fucking video that you've been filming the whole time and they're gonNa put you in cost and leave or big or here. You can just fuck in Lee. What was I doing wrong back to this Harvard you can without the cell phone in the middle of Hamilton asshole all like what the Fuck Fuck Outta here and finally it takes his fucking friends to come out and he was sitting on this chair and it wasn't until I was like all right cool? That's IT Matt grabbed the inside of this chair. We're fucking move in this guy we pick up the chair. We get it. Maybe an inch off the ground and all of a sudden this guy can move. We're just like poking him with the broom. Go to the door to door. Kitty Cat Ganda Fuck Outta here straight Pussy and then he's screaming at people from the outside. It was literally like a half hour fucking deal and they're still somebody who's bosses trying to perform on stage killing the room and this guy's out here alone this comedy store alone. I wanted and get out so yeah that was that was that was the closest I've ever been to just like holy. Shit Holy Shit. I'm GonNa fucking hit this dude. I want like who's on stage stage Syra Jonah but he kept calling back now is that's a follow up to the stories. He's he so we so this is our thing is like we're all coming up with yelp names now so when they're like. What's your name match always like I'm Steve? What's your last name? I'm like Reno. Get outta here. You know what's your name. My Name's fucking Esteban Fuck Yourself. How about that put that Neil purview daily arm but so he's calling back like every fucking ten minutes? It's saying I WANNA speak to a manager. I'm going to speak. He doesn't realize that there are six people. Six employees in the bill's GONNA be talking to one of us so at one point even Matt Admat. Who doesn't he's not a comedian? He's just a security guy. He starts doing bits on the guy. Every time he answers the phone with a different voice hello phages Howard Alito and the guy he called back for a good solid couple of hours. Mikey was eventually like look dude. We're down here. We're done here and so. I don't know that's that's. It's a kind of on occasion on occasion at Comedy Club you run into people who are not used to being told no no and then then it's up to you to spend the next hour of your life fucking walking around with them sad. It is sad. I'm no. I'm no Damian pruitt D to The PRU double T. over here man this guy's it has been in fucking physical throw downs. I mean I've I've never actually had hit a Lahore new. Hold on. I want to hear Dame's fucking riot yeah the riots story that happened to the end of the show is the end of the weekend as the second show some this this group has been heckling the the headline the whole night and he finally addressing as he got the light as he's doing closing bit and he's a throw them out so I had to throw the guy you gotta fuck you know to grab him and some Guy Grad me and another door guys ran up. It was probably like a twenty person brawler. Something like a file of that's a small room rumble of three months enter data's anything close to that. I had something that ACC the that have locked you threw out of the basement so that was this dude was like he's like six three three hundred pounds but like Mossel he's got like Neck Tat's and I I could tell just by always stands 'cause I fought a lot my leg and tell by his neck and how he stands like this guy can fight and he's hammered and he's downstairs and he puts his girlfriend. Oh friend puts her hand on the chair behind and it's like oh I'm sorry in the people get so stupid talking to people that they were like no problem. Please stop talking during the show she she flips the fuck out everybody at ACC all right time to go like and they cut this guy checked and he's not he's like I want eventually actually he wants to fight that girl's boyfriend naturally so I kinda talk down like hey. Let's go out and we go past the first door and he's like a finishing his drink. He's like no one's telling me I can't finish my drink like you. Finish your drink man. I'm going to tell and then he's like. I'm going to go back in there and I'm like no. You're not you're not gonNA stop me. I'm going to go in there. I'm GonNa Start hitting him until the police get down. He's he's I kill him and I'm just thinking I'm like dude. Don't do that and all I'm thinking is. It's just me there's no one no everybody else that works there yet. You had Ken Bradley No not going to help there. I was like all that's going to happen. Is this stewed is GonNa be smashing and I'll just be like on his back choking him as he's like throwing me through tables and I'll just continue like hitting him with chairs. There's breaking classes over his head just a stall him enough and it was like this is going to be just me and there's no one like you guys have fifteen people that will run out and it would just the we don't Ben me. Maybe one other dude. It was rough like everyone after was like I was they were like when it started getting loud all sudden everyone was gone. All of a sudden people had shit to kitchen. GotTa go cleans. Oh that's that crease trap. They want me to clean and I'm like it's just me and give a fuck so but pretty responsive I mean we're pretty responsive but again like there's no place in that room you know it's not like ACC where it's it's like a rectangle. We're like somebody in the back is causing shit no one in the frontal seat fucking if ever throw somebody out everyone will see it and it will the show but I'm like I gotta use weapons on this motherfucker and he's got to go up a flight and a half a stairs. There's no there's nothing I can do you. You're downtown in like out here. It's La Hoya so it literally is like that rich guy. That's like go on hit. Let Me Fuck Nestle into you hit me and it's like Oh man I love working. I'd love to break your jaw downtown. It has downtown's different because some of those dudes are like you got tweaker like come on man so I like this guy was in my family and I know he's recording me so I'm just like really dude. This is your thing your donald trump's Godson and you snatched his phone out of his hand. Had the thing is once you land here. He had a Russian accent once you lay hands on somebody you've assault them not vice versa but the other excuse me Sir I need you to leave and then he grabs your shoulder now. That's assault got his phone and you just take the phone out of his hand brought outside outside like he'll go get your phone. I'm sure I mean still slow but I mean it's it is. It's in. It's one of those things like it's you know we're calm. You know and it's like and I tried to explain to them like we're not having fun like I don't WanNa throw anybody out of a comedy club. I want you to sit in your fucking seat drunken. Laugh Your Dick off that's here to do. That's what you wanted wanted to do. I don't this doesn't give me any joy by any fucking means but then once you get to that level like this guy you could just see the fucking wheels turning and and it's just like dude. You're fucking lame. This is why you're tonight with like you're not like where's where's your lover. Who loves you who you fuck? Why aren't they here with you right now? Now because you're unfloppable your shitty on fuck -able human being he was by himself always he was with a friend and a female. It Sucks Dude in what Sartre is because he was there. with he was visiting from out of town so he was an asshole from out of town but hit the dude he was there with was irregular and you can see the regular was just like Oh my God I am so embarrassed that I brought this person here so we're trying to give them all due respect and the guy's never been anything but good patron then this you gotta get your fucking Prick for end Outta here buddy. Anna sucks man into some people are dicks but I don't want to end because we got to wrap this I have I don't want to end on the the Shitty note. I think Holocaust Sakala I was GONNA say Palestine now a man is ah dude. What's a good meam that you guys have seen that the because it's like a one liner? What's your favorite team that you've seen recently? It's a good one aw who ever all Internet one. I saw one. I'll started off. I saw one that was there's there's like over seventy gender your pronouns now but bitch is universal and made me chuckle actually someone my wife just sent me one. Let Me Look Academy's real quick decision fine one right click. None on my wife. Sent me one the other day that was fucking where you guys can live the one about ice. I mean there's Oh yeah if immigrants are such lazy of people why does is always raid jobsites. She said eminem makes temper tantrum music for dudes who don't lift weights but want to join the marine incor- pretty good that's pandering. Your wife is pandering. No Internet means from you guys. I'm Kinda partial. I make myself in sending my friend. Emily Yeah shot to 'em Allen Emily and Leo found what is one She's is movie as a teenager that terrified fighters some always senator screen shots is like these terrifying means lion king the labyrinth movie by The sky like stabbed his wife. She likes chilli traumatized or somebody like senator screen shots from the stabbing terabyte means the the one. I liked to glad glad she's not terrified of deliverance the picture I liked to brandon potter posting his getting kicked off grinder. That was fucking gotta learn he is precious. The only openly gay comic banned from Greg. We're going to get him on. I fucking love him. Brandon Brandon is going to be good odd man. I think should be on a honorable discharge because you're a veteran now but he's a gave it. He's a veteran of the gay community he has dude. He was why one of the reasons I want to have him on it was it was so funny watching veterans and their husbands the watching Mikey at the store explained because Brandon had no idea that military dudes played gay chicken. He's like what's gates. I can it watching my fucking. Explain it to him. fucking just about melted Larry always lost. I always everyone be like we're going to play and win. I fucking good out of it like you win. do you ever play gay chicken. Derek Shepherd Military God placards in the military different the military dude it's like so if you sit across from each other and and we both we both putting your hands on each others knees I put my hand on your knee. Put your hand on my knee and then we just slowly start moving toward the others groin and the first one to bail. I WANNA bail. I mean talking about talking my hand kisses so not kissing you can do like I mean chicken. Chicken sometimes sounds the cars are different. Sometimes we're roads are different understand chicken where two cars drive towards each other and then whoever pulls away at loses are gay chicken. Is that same concept except it's trying to escalate gay behavior until one person Says No. That's too tops doing right. I would constantly stop immediately as soon as the key turned in the ignition. I'd be like done fingers butthole while you call them as soon as a key. Come on Oh my God I think I think we're going to end on gay chicken. you guys is I want to thank everyone for hanging out and joining us at honorable discharge show that you can only here on dysfunctional veterans radio. I'm here with TD Cutting Hill while I'm here with Derek I'm here with Jamie and I'm your man run Ripley Geyser slutty as fuck. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you so much for hanging out with US
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We switched to this round format where we took different types of articles whether they'd be funny whether it be serious all throughout the military landscape scape. We've relied on great organizations like Stars and Stripes task purpose and what the fuck army moments and so many other ones that are littered heard throughout the Internet like we picked up some articles and then we just talk about them. The first one we experienced ourselves we're GONNA start off in Fort Bragg because we the whole squad went down to Fort Bragg for rough and rowdy and we are supposed to have this huge event that was going down at Fort Bragg. We're going to have all different kinds of soldiers. Sailors Airman Marine fighting each other and this amateur boxing event that took place on Fort Bragg. Well it didn't exactly go the way that we wanted to because moments comets before the fights were actually supposed to take place. The Commanding General Fort Bragg basically tried to shut it down. Here's that but rough and rowdy was a good time and it was a time that we weren't even sure if it was going to actually happen like there are some parts on Friday day where we were really worried. If the quality of the show was going to take a drastic drastic turn and I wanNA give a little bit behind the scenes of of what happened there so over the last couple of months really for the last six seven months we have been talking about doing a rough and rowdy on a military base. We went through with MWR ARDO directors. We talked to brigadier generals. We talked to some kernels. We talked to units all around and ask them if they would like to have rowdy. Some of them said yes enthusiastically and some loving even wanted to have it at their individual battalions or their air wing or whatever we're going to have the fights on base they were GonNa take place on Fort Bragg. Well well after all that planning after getting fighter signed up and getting approval for these fighters to fight at the last last moment things almost I fell to shit and I was shocked. Guy Shocked. Yeah just because of all the planning that went into that I was totally blindsided. It did not expect to start to hear that. Hey we got a massey massie meal and a mass text saying nobody can fight. Nobody can even go to the event and basically if you've been living under a rock yes. We were down right outside Fort Bragg last week for this amateur boxing event. The barstool does and the day of the boxing match because we had active duty military fighting in it along with a lot of veterans and stuff but active duty military fighting and a ton of the military and veterans who were coming to it and military from Fort Bragg coming to the event right outside the base and so a few hours before the event we are in a goodwill shopping and for these enormous suit jackets that we wanted to wear because we wanted to dress up. And as we're shopping for these ridiculous outfits to wear to the matches chaps gets a text text message that shit hit the fan and all of a sudden all these different commands from across Fort Bragg or getting notified that hey you are not allowed to attend this event and the first one that came through we thought was just for the ones active duty boxing. In the event this text message that came out and this email that came out like. Hey if you're in this you can't be like but it sounded actually one I actually. I actually want to read the letter that the commanding officer sent the Deputy Commanding General of Fort Bragg. I wonder what it says because we got this at around around. I WANNA say for you. military-type we've got it around fourteen thirty. Maybe a little bit before that but right around fourteen hundred. So here's the letter from the deputy commanding general of Fort Bragg. I Apologize Jasper sending this hours before your final formations of the week. It came to our attention that some of our soldiers were planning to participate in this event and at least one had improperly endorsed this event in his capacity as a soldier in the United States Army. Let me pause there for a second one. You aren't allowed to do that so I understand that whenever we had videos come out that said that he was an active duty soldier. Roger that that could get under the deputy commanding general skit right saying like. I'm a current soldier doing that just like political events. You can't endorse private companies in your capacity. He has a soldier while in uniform one of them did that and I thought it was Kinda strange but again we had approval. They all had signed their commanding officers. Colonels and above love all signed off on them fighting right. It goes on to say that this evening. The crowned complex in Fayetteville will host barstool rough and rowdy. He describes it as a streetfighting event with local street fighters bikers bouncers. which if you've seen it sure there is some aspects of that but it's also we want to note that it was sanctioned by the the North Carolina's the Athletic Commission and it's not some fucking Hobo fight now just running in the brain and just throwing hands it's very very rule oriented right? There's medical personnel on the side. They have to wear mouth guards headgear. The proper gloves there's actually referees on all four corners of the allow someone to get hurt if the flight was going severely one way. The referee steps in stops the fight. The intention is not for people to get hurt. The intention is to be a quality. Boxing matches quality as it can be without outright any sort of real training he goes on to say. I direct you to inform your units and the Army Fort Bragg does not sponsor endorsed barstools rough and rowdy fight fight nor condone servicemember participation in this vint servicemembers participation in the event may be considered outside their line of scope or their military duty and the determination of a service servicemembers injuries occurred as a result of participation in this activity outside the line of scope or military duty may result in loss of pay and allowance and forfeiture of disability compensation sation among other things. I direct you to inform your service that unit service members may not endorse or impure and events and he just goes on to say that again. The part that was shocking came to me. And I hate this threat from general level officers or anybody really and normally it's not general-level officers. Usually they're smart enough not to do this when you say that you're going to affect your disability compensation it such unbelievable bullshit because then anything that you do outside the line of duty like like if you go out and you get in a car wreck oh that's not that's not going to be on your. Va disability either. Just shut up with that fucking hate when they do that. Yeah any yeah like you said any activity of water skiing snowboarding. Anything that poses any sort of risk to your physical wellbeing could be lumped into that and it just the ambiguity of the email L. is a little ridiculous to you. Know what you WanNa say say say. Hey you're not allowed to go. Don't say hey we don't endorse or condone. Guess what you know. I hate to say it but a lot of a younger enlisted probably. Don't understand what the hell that means because it's so gosh darn convoluted well. We read it and we were like so is this just for the fighters are the active duty Army emme fighters not allowed in the fight anymore. Or is it also all encompassing. Do they not want army personnel from Fort Bragg to be attending this event and we were so completely unsure sure kind of what the fuck that email meant but I also felt like maybe it was ambiguous on purpose so that like maybe they can catch them so that they love their asses the that they could cover their asses and be like well we sent but not really say now. I think it's designed to have the deputy commanding general doesn't have to actually have have to say no. I think it's kind of like whenever your dad or your mom and your kid comes up and like can I spend the night suzy's house and they say we'll go. Ask Mom like really your the answer that you want to say either. Yes or no but you don't want to take the responsibility of what's GonNa come on the other side of that so you say well. I told him to ask you in this general's defense this. This was probably propped on his desk by someone else and said Hey sir there's a bunch of street fights going on because just by the nature of what's in the email it sounds like he was very misinformed about what ruffin rowdy is so he just hastily put together this memo right to cover himself but didn't actually fully understand what he was telling people they couldn't go do well. Well then so we get this email and we're like. Oh no what does this mean chaps is in. Its in a good. We're looking at suit jackets. chaps is texting the head guy who's like curation all the fights and mixing up the fighters fighters because we're like. Oh No we're going to lose a couple of fighters now from the matches. Whatever and then as he's doing this at sixteen o nine our only a couple of hours from the fight people's UBT bt listeners started? Who are on Fort Bragg started sending screen shots of text messages? They were getting and this one said. Participation is pro these text messages. These text messages weren't from. I'm like Joey SMO- these were from the mass texts. Emergency Larne on for bright everybody on Fort Bragg got this tax participation is prohibited in this event as it may pose serious health and safety risks for our service members and may be considered outside the liners scope of military duty resulting in loss of pay and allowances Yada Yada and then one more text. It says prohibited Barstool rough and Rowdy fight event at Crown Complex and faith those this weekend and now we're like a couple of hours out and we're like funk people came in this is the one no no no no no no no. This is where the entire situation flipped on. Its head for me and I was going to be fucking so happy if the commanding general actually said and this is what this is how if I was still a staff. NCO This is how I would interpret his message. If you are one of my soldiers do not go period. I don't care if you're fighting if you're not finding if you're just going and I thought this is either going to be one of those situations where the rough and rowdy event is going to be terrible and there's is going to be like three hundred people in the room or this is going to be one of those events where it is absolutely electric. We went whenever we went out on Thursday night and we had our final meetings with everyone. They said that there was going to be around thirty. Two hundred seat salt. I thought when this text message just came out that we're going GONNA be down to around five or six hundred people there. Well it wasn't. We ended up having. I think it went the other way. The command general wanted to go and we ended up having like forty thirty eight forty nine hundred people it was damn near a sell out. The place was absolutely electric whenever we started and it backfired completely. I don't think there's a senior bowl soul who got that text message and was like `i Sir Knock GonNa go. Everybody showed up and didn't want anyone knowingly disobeyed orders. Because that's not something that we promote here on this show I did. I know it was great. There was a couple active-duty fighters that chose not to fight. And Hey whatever you decide to do. That's great eh couple. It was it was two out of all of the ones that were supposed to only two were like abner going to do it right and the rest still did it anyway and I even said to the one guy outside. Of course horsey was outside smoking a cigarette before it's like. Hey we're out in smoke but I was. Okay you know you. You really don't have to do this like one night and he was like no fuck that I wanNA WANNA fight i. Well I trained for this ready for this and also to like. I thought that prohibiting soldiers from going was insane because they had paid for these tickets for the most part and also also one final note on that but right before this mass text message came out I went to this barbecue place where I saw a bunch of guys I was driving by. We're in their military uniforms and the barbecue req- place so I had a t thirty free tickets so I ran inside. I'm handing them these free tickets real quick right after I left. I think when this text message came out. So they're like who's this crazy lady eighty handing out tickets and then we get prohibited from this things. You just gave us tickets for immediately. I mean general if you get this information and you've got to act quickly and you're totally misinformed. I understand. He has to make judgments. Sometimes that affect a lot of people and that's a tough position to be in but again he should have asked more questions should got more information should have known that people had already been given permission to participate in this event but so we don't have this coster. Ultimately we had great way for the entire Fort Bragg military base to be made aware of Barstool sports mass tax rate advertising for us first of all and also I want to say you know I heard there were technical difficulties. There's always stuff for people watching at home. The event they're being around all the military personnel was so much fun they at the very end they ran out of beer and all they had left with them or low and you look cup and a bunch of young enlisted soldier sipping low out of cups in the back. They're like it's fine it's fine. They had the cup snake going so it was nice. Lot of billion military working together on a giant snake so yeah I was trying to find a lot of energy in the buildings. Yes we can describe it. A lot of energy. People were excited to be there. Previously I'd only watched roughing rowdy Saudi on TV. So they actually be. There in person was a very enjoyable time. Yeah we ended up in a strip club parking lot at the end of the night so it worked out classic thing. Most active-duty trips do so. Let's move onto round two and if that story is not enough the same episode so we had a corporal a story about a corporal who email the common out in the Marine Corps and that kind of set the internet ablaze because the idea of being a corporal and an email. Melanie car on the Marine Corps is just crazy the fact that we had these two interactions on the same podcast really kinda shows what was going on in the military world at that at time. Here's the segment about the corporate talking to the Commodore. Yes so I was at the beach yesterday. Eh and I'm scrolling on my twitter in the sunshine getting that good solid burn and I came across this tweet that somebody was in facebook. I follow a ton of different military veterans big military twitter lady and this person tweeted out that they had been on facebook and came across this answer. Somebody asked a question on this like military facebook group. Have you you ever emailed. Somebody's super high rank. Have you ever jumped command and reached out to somebody and this guy. Chris bond responded to the comment there and he said I. I emailed the commandant once three hours later. I was placed in a car and driven around base getting yelled at by every eight and above nothing but good times at twenty nine bombs and people were like no fucking way. You didn't do that absolutely not not true so he followed up this Guy Chris whip. Can I explain how this could possibly happen because a lot of times like whenever you had these emails you have this global index whenever you're writing an e mail in the military every single person. WHO's in the Marine Corps? Because they don't really cross branch but every single person who's in the Marine Corps or you can search their last name get their email and just like that you're swimming in their stuff and it's not like to comment on would have an unofficial official email. Everything in the global would be right there so you just put their last name and you can email him as soon as you get one of those counts that you have as a PFC just most folks have a big enough brain not actually do do that right. But that's exactly what this Guy Chris says he did. He says my boy said no-balls so clearly I had no choice. I looked up. Hey clearly the right choice. I looked up Hagi for general hagey in the email chaps talking about and sure enough there he was back then blackberries were big so I figured he would see my email on his phone immediately so I sent him an email where did like a text message. Hi Sir I was wondering if I could talk to you question mark. The common proceeded to forward by email to Every four star general in the Marine Corps with the subject line who is corporal who sh- Monde question my aunt to excavate points. Can we pause again because hey hagey who he is. I think it's important that every single Marine Corps combat I would be known for disciplined but even amongst combats Hagey is known for being the biggest dickhead. 'cause when things were really starting to get fast and loose at the onset really two years into the Iraq Iraq war where he was selected as combat. Because does the marine coordinated a huge return to discipline after stories like generation. Kill inch came out that like that so he was one not to fuck with in the sea of people. Were not to fuck with absolutely like Oh five oh six this. This text message was sent. Yo Yeah in between four hundred five. Yeah so Corporal Push Mond emails. The commandant of POPs up on his blackberry immediately. The commandant emails every four Star General. He knows just what the subject line who corporal people who want question Mark Two points this. This isn't like who is corporal. Haberman pay motherfuckers who's responders so the four stars proceeded. This starts a massive manhunt. The four stars proceeded to forward to every sergeant major in the Marine Corps. When my Battalion Sergeant Major was threatening threatening to murder me? He showed me the email from the commandant. And the CC list had fifty plus names on it. He told me he couldn't believe I jumped the entire chain of command. And he wished I had more or stripes that he could take because it was not enough he was also furious about my grammar and said are you retarded or something. Who sends an email like that? I tried explaining. It was more of a text message but he wasn't buying the best. I love that part series like getting his ass chewed riding around the basic like. Actually it's more of a Bobby Kennedy Kinda tribe Sergeant Major. The best part was I sent the email right before chow. Any seasoned marine knows. You never make it easy to be found during during Challe so while the basement was going on for two hours. I was chilling in my buddies barracks. Rooms slamming Mac and cheese one PM. I- slime my way back backup. And that's when I was grabbed up and taken to be yelled at by my first sergeant then driven to Battalion Sergeant major who let me then driven to bay sergeant major who yelled at me then I was yelled at by The base general. The base general told me he was upset he couldn't N. J. P. me for it because there wasn't an official. MCI AGAINST emailing commandant. He did however say I was never allowed to leave his base. Because a marine like me would blah blah blah. It actually helped me because when they were forcing everyone to go to. NCO Course Pendleton. I got the chill. I remember my boy calling me from zoom at five pm that day saying he heard about it at seven PM. The sergeant major of the Marine Corps. Sergeant Major Estrada called me on my I cell phone I remember I remember tripping out because I recognized his voice from the Marine Corps birthday message that he would drop every year he said. Oh my God said. I'm curious to meet the corporal with balls like your son. I laughed and then he proceeded to yell at me for thinking. It was a joke. Moral of the story story is that there's an MCSE now about emailing the commandant. So don't do it. There is now a Marine Corps order because of Shadow Corp bluish Monde if I would love to get this guy on the show and hear more about it but basically they scooped him up like the mafia scoop somebody off the street puts a bag over. Your head brings US car. Yeah and then just sent him through the car wash getting bitched out for the next. I fucking love this guy. That is something that's quite the story. Just the succumb that just tells you what peer pressure really is. Ah No balls. no-balls to succumb to peer pressure. When you know something is so wildly stupid and in no way? Is it going end well to still go ahead and do that. That's something yeah. Has Anybody ever. I got pretty drunk once after my first deployment and I did the the same thing where I looked up an email and I was like. Hey Sir just somebody from second battalion. Ninth Marines a high ranking officer. Just hope you and the boys are doing good. I was hammered and I never I know I never heard back. Thank God he was probably just like Oh my God. So what are the teaching points. Actually when you go to your officer course coming out of one of the academy's Mies is they tell a lot of the academy students that they have to tone down the familiarity that they talked to higher ranking officers because at school like you could have a kernel a major ager. That is your instructor and you talk to them. Just like you would talk to a teacher but then when you go out into the real army real navy you can't just talk to those people as if they're your buddy there is the chain of command. You have to observe so it is something that we take very seriously so these emails are not something to be trifled with. You said that this story has a bad and I don't think the story has a bad end you said he didn't even get jp now he has an awesome story. And that's run through the entire Marie. You'd say like probably do it again. He's very lucky that didn't have a bad ending. They've 'cause it very well. Even though. It was a really long thing what kate read. I wish I assure you that day was long in. Oh yeah but that's the thing about junior marines to like whenever you're junior marine like that really staffs are sergeant and above. I would say getting your ass. CHEWED is another day. It's like it's just another day now. Granted this takes it to a whole never level. Whenever you're dealing with the base sergeant major and multiple major getting my ass you by General? I would not give the first fuck about that because it's not going to be effective. A lot of these first sergeants and Sergeant Major. They're all former drill. Instructors like Astrada I think Estrada I did three tours on the drill field. So him coming to you. And being like I'm going to injure life. They say it with a certain level of authority and the voice where you're like I believe today dot dot ab killed by words. I just love that. There's so many like lower enlisted like this just took me right back one. I love that he recognized that it was the sergeant major of the Marine Corps on the phone. Because he's like I know that voice from the birthday ball message we have to watch. It's every year I love that also another thing I really loved about. This was yes. He went through a whole car. Wash Atchoo that day and some of them terrifying the sergeant sergeant majors and all that but when his buddy from a whole other base on the other side of the country called mosaic. Hey Lance corporal underground here heard what's happening you the A little nugget. That would get me through. It was knowing that I had just become a Marine Corps legend for doing what I need to head. Yup I would imagine him going into the barracks that night whenever he gets back back at like twenty three hundred after his tour of getting his ass rimmed out is over with everybody. It would be like that where the guy the guy in the red shirt like leads back into the crowd and everybody goes nuts like around him and he just like goes into it. Once you survive those ass chewing all of your peers are like you bad ass mother a fucker soon as you start drinking. If you're any stories every single time for the rest of their lives when they get together and they talk that store you'll be like dog you remember the talk you email the fucking stuff. Did I ever tell you guys that I am part of the field artillery basic course briefing. The first first weekend for something that I did when I was in Norman Oklahoma when I was at officer deal. I got arrested so that I had to give my entire class us. A briefing on what not to do when you are a second lieutenant or a first attendant going to Norman Oklahoma. Yeah and I was told like years later. They still tell the story and tell all those students what not to do when they go to. Norman Oklahoma there you go so you got a little bit of Legend Yourself. Yeah absolutely love this. I'm guessing. Look at toxication cons now it was actually. I can't believe I have never told this story. I was at a pizza place. It's like two thirty in the morning waiting to order. I was talking to a young lady in line so I wasn't ready to order when it was my turn so the bouncer kicked to me out. He grabbed me by the neck and the arm and threw me through the door. I stuck my hands out so I wouldn't face. I go through glass and I broke one of the window. Panes means I was intoxicated enough that I didn't have my wits about me to think. Okay that's not a big deal. It's not my fault. He threw me so I just took off running. I'm five blocks away thinking okay. I'm good I try calling my roommate to figure out where he is saying. We gotta get the hell out of Norman. Next to him in a chokehold. I put to sleep when I come to. I'm back in in front of the pizza place with a police officer standing over me saying you're under arrest. I'M NOT GONNA put cuffs on you or anything but you're going to need to get in the back of the vehicle right now so I got charged with destruction in a public property. Excuse me destruction of public property and public intoxication. Moral here is always be ready to order your slight. When it's your turn? Yes just be ready. Okay Ah glad you got behind that constant bounceback. Corpora WHO's mind if you're out there we'd love to have you on the show that was just a delight to read the round number two today. We have astronaut. Scott Kelly Scott. Kelly came into a studio to hang out with us. And we're really excited. He was one of the few people that was on our wishlist. Top Ten list which we got through damn near everybody on that wishlist except for a sitting president in general mattis this year Scott got. Kelly caught us by surprise whenever he let us know that he'd been featured on Crystal Sports Dot Com and one of our writers came in to kind of take the lashings thinks from an astronaut. which we didn't expect? Here's that did it take a little bit of the fender way that your brother got in on the same class though where you're like. Maybe I'm not that special if he's doing it too No I thought it was great. You know it's Y- ah I think anyone having this opportunity it's Kind of a blessing privilege and to be able to share that experience with someone. I've known my whole life. My twin brother other makes it even more special because we you know grew up together and now we have something that we can you know for the rest of our lives share and talk about all the we don't talk about it much money. We'll say hey remember that kind of thing and space. That's pretty awesome. And then I mean even NASA took advantage of it and did a study on you and your brother and what was that like you know it was a lot of medical tests Probably done more. MRI's and then he person alive. Possibly I don't know but A lot of samples Done in space that you know drawing her own blood urine other things that I like. I probably could mention here but I won't. And what was the biggest difference between that time and space and you and your your twin win brother spending the time on her. I think the biggest difference when I got back is they They determined that I am not only smarter but now now more or handsome than my brother Mark which kind of brings up which kind of brings up a point that I wanted to talk about. What's that you don't when I got back from space? I saw this article from Barstool Sports. I have it right here and it says can I read it absolutely go find says astronaut. Scott Kelly's girlfriend is preposterously asterisk hot as she sits right here in the room with us. Now it gets better. Who was the author the author? They let me see here fight. Oh Bird Oh okay all right. Yeah go ahead says. That's astronaut. Scott Kelly Scott just got back from a year in space grew two inches while he was up there. No big deal anyway. All that shit is boring. He really cares about space right. It's big and it's got stars. I get it. What really fascinated me about this whole thing is that upon landing ending Scott reunited with his loved ones? And that's when we were introduced to his girlfriend Amigo counter at the time. Now my wife Kelly The lady in red where the Hell district come from Scott. A man who looks like appealed appealed potato covered in milk being prepared to be mashed. The guy is certainly no astronaut. Mike Doc Dexter whoever the helmets dexterous is there some aspect of being extraordinarily smart at the top of your field and covered in the national media idea that women find attractive. He wasn't aware that we'd been together for like six or seven years at that time. Probably not. I'm sure. Scalia some incredible accomplishments in case you've forgotten by now he just got back from space but this is hands down the most impressive one. This EMECO GAL is gorgeous. Ten billion light years more attractive give than Scott. And here's one of the main things I take exception to write because I personally think she's about one hundred billion light years more attractive than and me and certainly Moose man over there come on right this. Yeah you're guilty by Association Gatien. I'm almost it must be impossible not to be an astronaut not be bragging if I went to space I'd bring it up literally every single second. Did I catch catch the Oscars. No sorry I wasn't space. How do you get to the highway from here? Okay you'RE GONNA WANNA get into a space shuttle then exit the earth's atmosphere about seventeen thousand miles per hour. Wait no those are directions to space. I've been there but it's got to be harder to not brag about this cow seriously. Nashes should look into this relationship relationship relationship name that sounds like a spy dating dude way beneath her working social media at at NASA classic spice stuff. I'm not saying this relationship is impossible. Not at all. But it is equally likely that she's working for the USSR and plans to return to glory. PS Betty had some. Betty had so many sweet nudes saved on that computer up there. So let me say a couple of this actually true. Yeah and the reason I bring it up is because I'm all for a good joke and I think it's funny muscle not into like objectify women and things making fun the People's appearances but it is really funny and the fact that I was able to come in here and confront you guys with it for the purpose of humor. Is I feel pretty proud of myself. Fleece Clap and after the interview we had to make sure that we went and told fight. Oberg what happened. Let's let's bring Johnny on their show to let them know your boy final Berg Johnny Boy Johnny boy that is I was so glad when he read the byline and it what was your name and not mind he starts reading wait. Wait hold on a second. Who who wrote this and he goes back up some fetal fetal vital something vital okay? We'll go ahead. Oh it sounded. It sounded like a title or something that I would write shitting on space too and I was like fuck. This is gonNA be uncomfortable comfortable at first. I was worried that worry. I actually was kind of happy. I thought I know this is a big. You know the moon landing happened has them. I and I know Kevin is not so I thought maybe I knew astronaut was coming in and I thought that maybe you guys were mistreating Kevin's beliefs to mine and I was like like. Oh it's like brand kind of your. He kind of gave me a smile. As you'RE GONNA get ambushed but you gotta come into the studio and I was on the phone but a hung up. By the time I came out. He was gone but I was like all right. It's going to be kind of a letdown. I get in there and I'm like I don't know you got the wrong guy. I believe that the moon and I'll be what never in a billion light ears that I- you'll blog. I wrote two blocks. They I think by the time I got home and I won't know what I wrote but no one was was. I had no idea I knew enough. Snow is coming in. I didn't know it was Scott Kelly. I assumed it was but like I didn't panic. I didn't worry at all because I have no clue I wrote with that Blah. So it'll be back in the day we used to write like thousands of law. Day Was Twenty Sixteen Twenty six. Yeah there's no chance I remember three years ago and so it was. It was a total ambush confrontation. Even the word ambushed. When you get amber take a zero block thirty it's GONNA come around with a weapon? podcast again well good he ready. Could he read it very deadpan. He was he enjoyed the joke and that was just now when he was finally in the hallway. He's so deadpan. I can't tell if he's actually mad. I called potato title and then he took a ricochet shot at being called me ugly. Yeah he's like in your ugly to write this is ugly Moose over here. They look gray right now before we even start we kind of got sidetracked. But I meant to tell you got a Nice Hawaii gloat a little bit. I think it just might be the lighting in here because I actually put on gallons and gallons of sunscreen johnny boy thank you thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. Thank you for album. All Right Buddy Ron number three. We're going to get into a beloved character on the show and I wish that she was still with us. She's not with us because she was actually strapped to a rocket. I am blown to smithereens. Here's a story of longtime stolley doors around to our producer Brian. Just you said it seems like an onion headline when I read it and I read it. Because so many `Zibi followers were tagging me. Check this shit out and it seems like classic like Florida Man. You know all those wacky Florida man brides a crocodile through drive thru like Florida banned. Well this is like an Arizona man type thing because this is the actual headline line Arizona. Man says his MOM's body was sold to the military and blown up by a bomb without his consent. First of all I would just like to address without his consent. Part who the fuck would consent to that in the first place thought that was weird but yes an Arizona man honestly because it's for scientific research I don't I would I think because I don't really care what happens to my body whenever dead because I'm dead but that would be pretty impressive blow livestream and when Nipsy died and all of his money all his albums and shit like that his family they got all the money after he died which is fantastic so many people bought it. If Dave set that up that like Chaffetz his body is going to be blown up by a rocket and and all the money from all the page views that we get all the downloads. It's going to benefit his family. Buddy Tommy up. I'm ready to go that for sure. But would you like if you had you. If you love your grandfather would be like fuck strap them in like. No you go ahead. I have thought Amazon. A man says the body of his late mother was sold to the. US Army for last testing by four profit research center that he had donated her body to for Medical Research in twenty thirteen. Jim stouffer donated the body of his mother. Doors stouffer off doors seventy seventy dollars to biological logical resource center. The Er is what it was called. After she suffered from Alzheimer's in the final years of her life stouffer hoped his mother's brain could be used by doctors to learn more about out the disease but he says that is not what happened. Brace yourselves instead. Little doors body was sold unbeknownst to her family emily to the US Army for blasting. And let me tell you before it gets even crazier Reuters. The very well respected news site did a ten part story on places like this who take body who take the bodies and then the family thinks it's going to get cremated and then it goes chur parts go everywhere wild fucking and shit. I would check it out if I was you but stouffer told ABC fifteen. He learned of his mother's fate when a Reuters reporter contacted him with documents showing where it went she was supposedly strapped in a chair on some sort of apparatus and detonation took place underneath her to basically get an idea of what. The human embody goes through when a vehicle is hit by. They took little fucking Doris. They took doors. Is You gotTa picture your sheets. You sweet little lady eighty little puppy cotton little. She's she's got a little trump Russia and the last time stouffer was blown up so so much when somebody put a chicken potpie microwave for too long nailed it ultimately for real. That's super fucking sad and tragic like you that for your peace of mind. Fuck with your head like I can't imagine if someone did that to my family member but also how fucking insane ain't that it's pretty crazy. I mean you talk about body brokers here at all I can think of is the big Lebowski when Walter subjects like you need to get you told by three o'clock. Yeah but so. Here's here's what I want to say. If you are donating a body for research I need to know. I don't know what the answer is is the understanding that then you get that body back doc at some point and you can do with it what you will once you give up that body. Can they just do whatever they want with it. I think it's like buying a jacket at a thrift store at one appoints somebody else's but once you pay that five dollars that's your fucking jacket right. You do it what you will like. I don't see this is a little bit of a crass comparison Harrison but chaps if I gave you or sold you a set of golf clubs and then you went and took and put purple grips on them. I can't come to you and say chaps. What the hell are you doing doing? You can't be putting Purple Grips on those golf clubs because you own them now. So I'm saying if you donate this body for research. If they do the research and then sell it I just don't I don't know what the ex now when you give the body. There's very specific contracts. That are signed off on that list. What it's supposed to be going to? And so that's what you believe and that that's what's been happening sitting here at places like the family signs a contract believing. Oh it's going to this place for Alzheimer's research when afterwards the guy was so listen to this. I'm sorry but I just found this so fascinating take crazy. I didn't know so going on for more than a year. Routers examined America's body trade a little known in virtually unregulated industry these businesses which call themselves is non transplant. Tissue banks are known to them on the inside his body brokers and this is where the army gets. I never even thought about the army testing on dead bodies. It's first of all who give us a call if you work in that department because I want to live with. That happened that every medical school too right but this is for like strap up in Bitch. We're GONNA like as Rueda's report last year. Also sold body parts to us. Army contractors for military experiments. A Pentagon spokeswoman said B. R. C. provided provided the body parts under false pretences misleading the army and they stopped doing the experiments from these places once they found that out among the parts. PRC sold for the army. Experiments were the head and spines of several people including Conrad Patrick. And Leon small seventy retirees in their seventies managed a furniture factory so basically on the Patrick and small. These two men each signed a box stadium. They did not wish to be used in military or destructive tests. So so that just because I could see if you if you're doing it and you signed off four medical experimentation or medical processes says is and the army's like look this is medical because we're blowing somebody up seeing how we can put it back together. That's I think that's normal. Yeah and if if Doris if her explosion ultimately saves lives then Doris give her giver medal. Posthumously right yeah and that's what he wants to do great bitch I just I just. I don't think they should use doors having like what the name of somebody that you feel like. It's okay if they do that. Like Leroy Brody Mitch. Mitch is Fine Barbara but Doris never the pictures go cupcake and I I also like when you look at it tauruses an old lady like you got to think of the people that are going to be in these trucks. That are going over. He's not gonNA be any three start like our commands like anybody that you've any of your appears cons like doors is not gonna be riding in vehicle with you so so that body wouldn't even be an accurate representation of somebody that'd be getting blown up. Anyway they literally they just wanted to blow up an old lady. That's really all boils down to. I do love the thought of an army unit. That's just this little kind candy haired old ladies now. They do their hearts and minds. That's the secret squirrels. They sit around and coffee shop and gathering information right exactly task. Fill in the tea but anyway I just thought that surrounded Chai tea shop. Check out that series on Reuters Reuters whenever it was it was fucking fascinating And it was like a horror story some of it. So Yeah Doris rest in peace and honestly honestly if you work at a body farm or one of these places you WANNA come on. The show wheeling loved APP. 'cause you remember the story that told about my my first dog Orlando whenever he got a knee crops whenever they did and you had the veterinarian who was smoking a cigarette or cigar with a glove on blue dog blood all over it and he took the cheeto out in eight cheeto. I bet once you get comfortable being around dead bodies I bet you do some weird shit. What if we're totally misreading this and we're judging the book by its cover too much? What if doors with some sort of bad ass wrote a Harley hung out in bars and was it was a hard charger hard literally Mikan and she said you know what blow my ass smithereens when it's all said and done because that's the way I wanna go out rock-n-roll man we have proof? She didn't and she's tired. I keep looking at her face. I'm Oh my God. I just saw the picture. God she's The with a single candle and I know you didn't deserve this fate doors and the picture famous rainbow. John this is Doris like she is the last person who wants to be blown up exactly not art. This poor lady and honor of Doris taken a nice little ride out to paradise. Let's go into round round three with a little bit of log. Types Duly Bertie Higgins Dingley stories senator rand number four. We really got into the weeds feeds on a two thousand seventeen collision that happened on the high seas with a USS Fitzgerald. The story was terrible in the harsh living. Conditions of what was going on in the ship will make your stomach turn at points. Here's kind of what happened to the US which Gerald all right round number one goes over what happened with the USS Gerald. Two Thousand Seventeen Day got into a wreck a collision. I guess you would call it. A naval terms. That was happening all over the Pacific theater very specifically in two thousand seventeen. We covered it. We seemed like weekend and week out. All two thousand seventeen will in this in this is incident. There was Lieutenant J G Sarah Topic. Who was the officer the day? Basically the officer of the deck is in charge of what's going on the day to day operations but on on a very junior level because she is only too well. She wasn't even communicating with the command center of the ship at the time which is called the combat information center or the CIC. I see why they are trying to cross the shipping superhighway. So there's certain parts in the ocean were all these different boats. The huge ships the destroyers. The people that are crossing different lines is you have to really be paying attention. It's kind of like the shipping version of Air Traffic Control. So you have that kind of stuff going on while when she walked into a place. When the investigators walked into a place there was trash thrown all around the CIC? which that's not the look that you want you want the look to to be? It's very organized. It's very good to go like any of the junior sailors could walk in and see that the people in charge have control of the ship. Well as soon as you walked into the sea I see on this ship. It was hit with the smell of urine there was kettlebells on the floor. Bottles were filled with some radar. Controls didn't even work. And that's the way the report court is rid so the first thing that the report says is that there's kettlebells on the floor in bottles filled with P.. The next line is some radar controlled at work doc. In my opinion that's what the French called burying the lead or the most important part is the radar controls didn't work. I think even more more important than that is that they found that some of the crew members didn't know how to use them anyway. And that was rear Admiral Brian for he's the one who walked in on that he's the one who led ed the stool purpose investigation. That is pretty scathing that that we're talking about now So yeah I think the lead here is definitely that and that you know the miscommunication issue distrust of I'm looking at her name again. But whoever that Lieutenant General was Lieutenant J G you Sarah Comic Yeah. People people were not communicating. She wasn't communicating with the people. Doing the radar stuff. And they weren't communicating with her. Because just a shitty command climate. And that's clear I think in in and the way everything was such a mess chaps definitely. Mk guys are definitely right. The radar control is not working people not knowing how to use them that should be the lead in the story. Worry and we often say on here. Don't major and minor issues kettlebells piss bottles by themselves. That's that's not a huge deal I mean and and we've also crazed the use of pissed bottles in combat just because it makes life a lot easier but an by no means a my condemning. That what I am condemning though. Oh is all those things. Add Up to the overarching problem. That was this command so pissed bottles or kettlebells being there by themselves. Not An issue issue but when you walk into a CIC chaps as you mentioned that should be squared away at at all times of the day and not if you're expecting someone that should just be squared away because of that that area is not squared away and it is just mess a huge mess. That's when you have problems where you have these huge large ships that aren't guided properly along the sea and then that's when you have collisions so I think all these things together really what the probe is exposing. It's just that the command all the way down just was in disarray. See I don't think that it's necessarily huge deal. That they had his bottles or kettlebells. Oh belt the kettlebells. Probably a little bit different if the boat comes Iraq because if fifty sixty pound kettlebells floating all over the place in the ship is rocket back fourth. That seemed seemed like it could be a little bit dangerous but you know if they should do they should take. I've been watching the show on Netflix. Mary Condo and where she does tidying up then he dad Mary. CONDU- com on every single navy ship or military installations. No longer do while locker inspections just tidy up their life and I think that they should do that across the board in the military. You need to have something if it sparks of flame in your heart then you keep it like if you WanNa have your em- foreign it's sparks flaming flaming your heart. You keep it if not you onto the next weapon. I think that's the way that we should start doing things. We'll do it the Mary conduct nights but I just I. It was a big deal that there's piss bottles everywhere that there was a credible and like to be hit with the articles as the acrid smell of pests. Like that's even one step above that's pissing view to K- take you didn't take a shower coming on from there. He Drew I. I think you ever have somebody who's like depressed and slowly but surely everything starts piling up and then they're living in a mess like their morale is low and morale L. was so low on this ship. It was almost like a depressed ship. It was a mess. So you're right bringing Mary Condo Jerem up fix it up but yeah and look what it led to and it was only a few weeks before that that a similar incident near Japan occurred with the crystal collision so they they should have been paying more attention to that all right. Let's move into round number to round number five. There was a time this year that our whole podcast was really singular focus. And that's all we started talking about NBC show or might have been CBS show. Who Cares at this point is cancelled either way but we really took part on the military twitter side side trying to get this show called the code cancelled? If you're not familiar with the code because it's long gone by now it took place in a courtroom and it was kind of like Jagmeet asks me steals meets like a big old pot diarrhea. This is how we went after the coach round number two. It's time to dive into the cove if the coat if you've been watching me on twitter this week in reading along the reading the blogs and things like that you know that I am absolutely triggered about. CBS New show the code. which goes into the JAG corps the lawyers of the Marine Corps and the issue that I have with the show is that they try to they? They almost try to take like infantry aspects of the Marine Corps or big units like normal use it like artillery. MP's even things like that hat and attach it to the Jag court and that's just not the way that it works. For example there's a captain who's talking to a young lieutenant who ensures. Yes Sir I don't know what happened in the show and I will never watch. That's a promise. And I'm making all these assumptions without watching a single episode of the show that she something happened to her something wrong possibly she got made fun of for being a boot somewhere. And this captain is standing outside in the parking lot of the JAG corps. which for some reason has a Humvee parked in it to know where everybody's walking around at dress? Uniforms the service dress uniform and he says to her. You're not on a boot your marine in for those who've listened for the show need a little refresher a boot is somebody who is junior in grade someone lesser experience or are just hasn't been in as long that's what a Buddhist there is no time at no point at no point no ever would a senior senior marine the marine. You are not a boot that just would. That's one of the more outrageous and agreed just just Marine Corps culture that I've ever seen on any TV show Kate. Would you agree. I would absolutely agree on. I can't imagine marine. I'm having such a lack of a sense of humor that they wouldn't jump on and be like you can do like but absolutely double down calling. I don't know I I can't imagine some boot marine. Come up to me and be like staff sergeant. They're making fun of me and called me a boot. Well should you bitch like. That's that's the reason why I'd say embrace the boot embrace it. Because it's only gonna be for a little while and then since you're a bad S in Jag. UGH I'm sure you'll see combat. Soon constantly you have a boot equivalent in army chaps. I never heard the expression boot until I met you. Oh so no not not my knowledge. not nothing I can remember. I'm sure there isn't. I'm just not remembering that but we definitely have something where we give a hard time to people people in. It's not just if you don't have a lot of experiencing be brand new to unit like you said And then what I liked though was the code at at the code. CBS Yes. They're they're twitter. They tried to explain what a boot was as if they were like. Oh got some inside Info you want to feel like a real marine. This is how the Marines talk and it's just completely absolutely wrong. The way they used it makes me think they have a so. Maybe it's not the codes fall. Hear me out okay. It is look ahead okay. They tried clearly they have some sort of in on military culture but I think whoever gave them their resume navy line in on it a little bit and I think whoever they hired from the military to have some I have a little inside information about that people me about who is actually the military liaison and it turns out. CBS has an overall military liaison. WHO's a sergeant urgent major? A Marine Corps started Not just emerged. Major a reconnaissance sergeant major so he'll you is unreal con for his almost the entire career and he is supposed to. CBS Liaison. However I think what? CBS does they only have one of those people so they probably don't even even have him on every single set 'cause the bio of when he works for CBS. It does not include the Cote. How you don't have your reconnaissance sergeant major onset onset or at least reviewing some of these things is insane because you would pick up on some of these young Lieutenant Harper Lee which is a shoutout due to a believed to kill the gallon which is a pretty strange move? She shows up to her unit in season. One wearing a unit citation award award and a national defense medal later on in the same season. Mind you she's the same exact rank as when she shows up she then is wearing a bronze and star with a V.. Not just one but two navy calms a a NAM and a Combat Action Ribbon with Note Appointments Jazz. He has not appointment ribbons at all. No no expeditionary units Ribbons at all. She has but she somehow became a war hero. A JAG offs. I mean just give just give everyone kind of an idea of what one would have to do to earn a Bronze Star with V in two who navy calms. Well I don't have. I don't have that at all like I don't have a Bronze Star with V. I don't have a navy calm everything that I did in combat and I've talked a lot about on the show I have a NAM with the V.. for that for NAM with via found thirteen ninety days in a three day span Shot up a bunch of people and blew up blood in place in blew up a truck with five hundred pounds of explosives on the inside and it's an outside of Karma so for her to get a Bronze Star with V to COBB's really quickly take some shit and all. Oh my God you guys just can't accept a woman doing her job overload. He later no possible bat piss tests that she's administering thank. You know Rahm it'd be a woman. I have a problem with her being a Jag officer and seeing all sorts of combat and they showed one picture. She's outside a Humvee mutton among I don't know when this show is set but it must be set in about two thousand three because the humby look dated a shit but she was just carrying around a shotgun. That's that's just not a weapon that lieutenant would carry around in combat. I had shocked that I kept in my vehicle. But that's not that's not the weapon that you carry just just on your everyday patrol have any they also not only that but they don't have any extra rounds it's just like what's inside. Their weapon is what they're carrying. Outside of those. I think at seven shot. Joe My god God can accept a woman carrying a shot gun. It's just ridiculous it's just ridiculous chaps going back to your military adviser I mean. It's possible people to I mean I don't know I I don't work in Hollywood. But it's possible to that he tells them things and these writers and show runners like and that's a little too military for us and in order to make it more palatable for the majority of our viewers who are civilians we have to do this that and the other and in terms of the ribbons my guess is they just kind of look at a box of ribbons and say Oh that one looks nice for the proper order. So I don't think that's the case because you have had fucked up orders. I these are actually in order like in how they do it. The other captain the the main captain the show he also has a purple heart. Some valor awards and Shit like that. That it's just I like. Where are these lawyers going? Like what does he the most these are the most high speed lawyers the military has ever seen. It really is impressive. I will say. Hey if you're looking to get in the bone zone JEN's. I saw a couple of photos from in the courtroom. Those Charlie's are so tight there is. I mean you can almost make out these jobs. The is that problematic to San. Now there's this yesterday today. 'cause everything this the code tweets out coast fire on the military community because we're all so angry at it so they tweeted this photo of the women walk into the courtroom and there. Charlie's these are so fucking tight. You can see you know like screaming lines that close get when they're super tight like their clothes are just screaming and so tight against their chests that military twitter grabbed it was like Oh my God I normally. It's like wearing a cardboard box. I think the most trigger the military community got. Was This tweet that the code coats in out it says can Lieutenant Harper Lee balanced her duties to the core while planning her wedding. Find Out in the latest episode of the Code Food. She standing there with like just such a doe eyed look on her face like in their freeze frame of it. Kate how did you feel whenever I I got just. Because she's a woman they had to go there. I got my third one end of the episode. They had to go there and say that she couldn't. I know I rambled about about this on the last episode to that particular tweet. I looked it up this morning. There's like fifty pieces written about that tweet now really. Oh it's down. They deleted into that. Because I saw you celebrating that on your own which Google I looked up on twitter and I typed in uncle chaps. The code food is just a barrage of angry tweets from you. I thought you were going to your chair. When they showed the one guy with a haircut they were asking the wishes sky happy birthday? He tweeted that number. Forty gets a frigging haircut just chaps wrote an entire blog about it I'm partial sports titled Handled no-one Wish Luke Mitchell the star of CDs as the code a happy birthday until he gets a fucking haircut standby that I hope nobody wishes one at all. I hope the show gets canceled. We're GONNA keep abreast on what's going on with the code because they piss me off you piss me off you piss me. Yeah we've run around third round number six. There was that one lance corporal who went up against the cartel and lived to tell all about it and voice that has become kind of beloved for those that. Listen to the podcast made its debut and we. It's the lance-corporal voice or it's the private voice voice. Whatever you WANNA talk about but it's basically Oh goody down to go and that's the voice that will stick around for for a long long time on zero block? Thirty round number six gets a little crazy round number six times. Get crazy crazy. Is this the Guy Guy so a couple of weeks ago. This guy's family. His cousins and aunts were reaching out to zero bought thirty into US saying. Can you re tweet picture. Sure he's missing and we of course we did. We're like Oh we find the marine. You'd never know what happened. He could have just been like hiking. Got Lost Eight right so mountain is true so so now that we know this and like we were involved in the story. Where like hope we? We're putting the word out there. Tell us what has what's going on because it's crazy so he actually got caught in in Texas. He was found like a week and a half ago. He's found on a Texas Saturday night. His name is Lance Corporal Job Wallace Age Twenty and he was taken into custody by. NCIS S. at a rest area near Navarro County according to Kurt Thomas this special agent in charge of NCIS Marine Corps West. Thomas did not give details of how. How would the marine was found but according to FBI documents he may have been preparing to target now? Eight folks. This young devil dog twenty years old recently promoted to lance corporal. Unless you you was on leave and going down to target the damn Mexican cartels and a human traffickers in a vigilante action. So he wanted to go down and take action to his own hands. His mother said law enforcement officers told her that her son Cell Phone was paying that Nightmare Zona but a border patrol camera caught his his truck. The next morning headed east on interstate ten just in Texas just outside of El Paso police in surprise over the case. NCIS I think this case case I wanNA talk to this guy. He's going to get back. He's going to go to the CIS. And I'M GONNA use a voice that I haven't used ever on the show it's my lance corporal talking to their staff NCO. Whereas like staffs hard I was trying to get the Mexicans? Her Country Drago Auto Zone. I mean but think you're lance corporal that you're going to go combative fucking cartel. Hey and it's so weird. I dying to know what the FBI found on his computer. Because it says here sources say that Wallace had been promoted to lance corporal. Recently and when he was home on leave he was telling friends and family that he was eager to return to Camp Pendleton to return to base ace so he leaves a friend's house in surprise Arizona that Monday night. He's like all right by everybody. And he leaves to go back to Camp Pendleton or so they think and then I think that this guy to me if I wanted describe him. What is personalities like? I think it'd be like if brick Tamblyn had sex the lieutenant yes and they had one baby. There's like Geez bread you you fucking kill the guy. And he's like well. I need my Mexican Cartel L. Scalps I'm gonNA keep my scouts. Worst too is like I still have genuine. Empathy and sympathy for them is the family that was reaching out to worried. Find Him right and then to find. He's missing his truck near Mexico. Like Oh my God. Did he get taken something happen. Man Man we have a story for you found a couple couple files on your son's computer turns out. He thought that he was captain. America every one of these stories ends in like they did it to themselves right we. I'd all these stories of people leaving basic and then whenever you've suss awesome out and get to the bottom of like I say I don't hate this completely right. You want the bulldog that you gotta pull the the reins back in. You don't WanNa have to have a marine. WHO's a little too timid? I think it's better to go. One way versus auto is completely agree with you is a perfect example of good initiative bad judgment. Hey folks sit in the right direction and there's nothing wrong with WANNA bring this. He just took that oath to to protect the constitution against enemies before and domestic. I think he took the domestic part to mean the entirety of North America. Not Just America probably saw this as something that it was part of his duty as we really going to get to the spot. Kate will were saying that bringing down sex traffickers is not. What marines should be doing this to me smacks us us Bo? Bergdahl esque scenario. He was on leave. He was doing no no he was supposed to be checking back in and instead he went off course to go to his own wacky ass thing and in his mind it shows complete delusion that you are really exaggerating in assuming a lot of things here because you have not seen his Mo Komo well he might have told his first directly what his intentions were. What if it comes out tomorrow that they're like actually this guy? This guy did take out about seventy traffic this goofy corporal. They let him go on a phone and he's talking to the Mexican cartel. I've got a particular set of skills. I will find you. Yeah I don't know I like to say you can win with guys like this. I love it. I think they should do more. I hate you. Ah I WANNA see if you put it on. His jet though is going down to a little goofy so bizarre protect this board this country for also curious snowfield met up with like a militia down earth like abort because it says he was heavily involved online like do you think he was swayed by like one of those America. You're going to get to the bottom of it. Sounds to me like he's probably just watched Rambo one too many times and he feels like he can do a lot by himself. I'm glad he's okay. I'll tell you one time. Holy Shit though to close it out. There's one thing that we absolutely have to find. This guy's tick tock tick tock accounts lap. Go on there. There's probably a video of him on tick Tock like well now. The border raise damn cartels friends with that militia guy. We posted it on thirty five. Best Buds probably not it yet. They will be soon round number seven. A furry does end of service ceremony in an outfit if it and this cost kate to go down a furry rabbit hole if you paid attention to allocate K.. Can Take one little tidbit of information and it can basically take over her entire your day. That's what happened whenever the juries came into the military world. We're GONNA talk about it right here. All right without further ADO. Let's let's get into the actual rounds of episode Today Round Number One. This story came out. I believe on Friday. Let me set the scene a little bit first of all. Kate didn't we have whenever the Chaplain Kate Show I started. Didn't we have a furry that called in one night on the show we did. We had a for. That person was in the Air Force force right. I believe yes they were and just let's just give the definition of furry is because guys were about to dive into the furry world which has had its paw pardon admits paws and claws heavily in the military community wouldn't blooming. Well I had no idea. Furry is our enthusiasts for animal characters with human characteristics in particular a person who dresses up in a costume as a character or uses one as an Avatar online. And we're talking about the one who it's almost like anime animals. They see them online. And then they get these very expensive suits made to match or they create their own. So it's like it's like mascots. Almost mascot costumes that these people were but there they reflect the personality of the wearer and how they feel like they really are sure so without further ado due chaps what brings up this topic today so there was a furry who was getting out ahead of the ATS the Terminal Service right and that what that means MHM so whenever they were getting out they did fourteen years and whenever she got out or heat I don't believe it is a he whenever he got out he had to go back to his unit a unit to give him a plaque he the civilian so he couldn't wear the military uniform anymore so instead he shows up in his furry three outfit right this is the just the tweet right off the bat so after fourteen years I finally left the military sadly my eas E. T. S. date correlated with inspections ends and I never got a sendoff so they got out of the military there's too much stuff going on this person they never celebrated because you do get a little ceremony or plaque or something well that never happened but his unit didn't want that though so they had him come back to get a plaque after all that craziness with their unit was over hey come back we'll do something for you but I'm a civilian now so I I couldn't wear my uniform what to wear and that's where this photo has now gone viral with thousands of re tweets and likes and shares and at the bottom they put Hashtag I suit Friday there they we are in this large auditorium and you can see the military personnel you can see all the flags in the background and there they are getting their plaque as they shake the commanders hand in in a enormous. What is that a lion a white like snow leopard costume with? It's pretty dope if I'm being the very beautiful beautiful outfit for sure but it looks like imagine if Lisa Frank had designed a tiger outfits what it looks like it might be a reference. Some folks might why not get but I appreciate it. It's a bright white tiger suit. Basically within with bright blue sparkly stripes and then the cat face has like these blue looks. Looks like snowflakes on it or something like that and so They replied underneath that tweet once it went viral so yes this is likely the for trash. Easiest thing I've ever done but everyone everyone loved it and no one can keep a straight face. I may not miss the military but I will miss these great people. I I love that. They knew this person I was who they are and they said hey fuck it your house. You're weird fellow but you did your job and you did it well and so we support you. That's what I that's I think you absolutely nailed it because I would bet that this person's first sergeant or like higher level of leadership probably probably wasn't super into the fact that there was a furry and they're usually whenever they were there because it looks it looks soft like no matter what that's not an intimidating thing to see. See Somebody in uniform who also twilights as a furry furry whatever like good on you but that's not exactly what you WanNa see at this point. You're the first sergeant urgent. Even if you are the crusty EST type of person that there could be in the military. They're out they come in. What are you going to do the only thing you have really is to laugh about? Got It well. There were people so this is going viral online. So it's getting good comments and bad comments on the crusty side at sergeant farts class. Glass artists aren't just farts with his parts of the Z.. I would ask how you're a fourteen year four but seeing as you wear the first suit and garrison tells me everything I need to know. Also that's a Po- GAS RIBBON RACK for fourteen years of service. I weep for your brothers had to sit through this. So some people go as someone anonymous Sergeant Farts and at Task Force fours farts. Pardon me by starting the like also all fourteen year before. I do have a couple of questions. Under you. Know maybe he got busted down because he was late formation one too many any time because he was at a convention or something of the WHO'd be perhaps a wall but there was also kind messages. Jackie Fox which I believe she probably dresses is a little Fox. My husband also military for just retired at sixteen years today. Thank you for your service. Welcome home and there was a lot of military. 'cause play in for folks in commenting on the thing saying branch they were in what they had done. Bubble Blah and then this one at Camelia bunny said I had to dig into the recesses. Of My old. Tumbler Cumberland of Tumbler. To find these but she it looks like her retirement ceremony her her eas ceremony. She's wearing like a like those girls girls that wear the. She looks like an anime character. Yeah she like sailor moon yes. She's wearing it on the dock. It looks like out near Camp Pendleton. And she's wearing on. This is a man in uniform. Gives her her like retirement thing. So hey if there if there is a military furry convention we are there. Oh listen to this. Yeah Oh buddy I dug into it on Waikiki. For Okay Wicky First Wickham Pedia for every major furry convention there are invariably two meetings for military refers a Saturday morning Chow and Sunday morning panel both are typically hosted by a furry commander on long with other panelists here freeze from each branch of service and and also veterans can meet others like them discuss topics also the phrase live journal community has been described as VFW. For ferries. There is a there. There is a spreadsheet that lists if they want to be on the spreadsheet so like shockwave. US Air Force discharged Animal Wolf Cyber Tiger. US US Navy USA discharged. Animal Dragon Chili Mac. US Navy Hybrid Wolf Hybrid bear. US Air Force cat so these different you can see the names of the Furry and see what branch they were in connect with them. And then last thing I'll say go down rabbit holes on this just last month in Pittsburgh they had this huge. It's called Anthro Khan and yeah anthro gone. So they have this huge meet up with thousands and thousands of people and they said that they have have politicians members of the military Pittsburgh firefighters the CFO of a fortune. Five hundred company. These people come and they dress up his juries. And I'm sorry I'm GonNa say it reading the articles about it. They're like we go to the hospitals dressed up and we make the kids happy. I've watched documentaries. You're also there's there's locals in in those costumes okay. Not Very I remember about it. There is one episode so we talked about it a couple of weeks ago this shared drives. Was it used to be in Iraq or Afghanistan where you could go on the military hard-drive season's upon seasons of different shows. I used to love. I actually think I might have gone. Got It from one of the marks there but I got ncis and one of the episodes of NCIS. They went deep into the very sight of the military. And some somebody's got assaulted and beat up and everything and somebody had just on the furry costume so they were running like a black light light over the fairy costume. They're like there it is. There's the semen of on the furry like yeah once the furry that was in the episode goes. Yeah Yeah if you get body fluids on one of these costumes. It's almost impossible to get out unless you do it professionally own. People were going to mention the episode of entourage season season. Four episode seven. Oh it's a big thing while this this anthro con that I was just talking about real quick. They had looked into it to see if they had a military meet up. They did and it had sixty six. You could click on it then and see who was attending because they all make profiles sixty six attendees of military veterans and it was hosted by spirit bear chief gray muzzle. So I mean there was long. Listen listen to criticize sir. Judge anyone what they do in their free time. That's fine but do you think that all these military firm members that might calling them that they'll I excuse me Milford. All genuine generally come from a certain type of unit in the military. Do you infantryman Freeman in in mass or community that inventory Milford clean the fuck of it. These conventions. Just go up to some wild look and poodle will you fucking poke. I sure sure all right real but I do I. Do you think that it could be a little bit free because a lot of times like in the military. You can't have your face out there doing work on active duty but you get to cover up and you get to go to these conventions act exploit luke fool the appeal behind that. Yeah all right. Real quick you are now a Milford chaps. What is your animal Belgian? Mala I write black cat all right. I'm not doing that was point. PUPO game four pigs get around that shit. Connor would rather go as a shape and goes square. This documentary Henry on the FRY like highly recommend you do a little deep diving into it. The comments on this. I liked this step further. Kate if you are a military for or you know one we will have you on the show. Reach out to me D. me email me at chaps at Barcelona. We will get you on the show. I WANNA do a deep dive into military for even more so than the probably fifteen minutes that we just spent. Let's move onto round number two number eight. There's a group of five veterans. Who went down to Haiti arrested and they couldn't lie their way out of trouble? We not only tackle that story. But we also got into Serbians and I lay out a pretty precise warning to all of those listening about some those folks from Serbia because they can be absolute wildcards. I want to introduce US two round number one. Yeah the story comes to us from task and purpose where American veterans were among a group of eight men arrested assisted by police in Haiti earlier. This week for driving without license plates and smaller caveat here possessing an arsenal of weaponry and tactical gear including including six rifles six pistols various nights to drone aircraft three satellite phones documents backpacks tactical vest and ammo. Might WanNa have license plates. If you have that in your car. Police in port-au-prince arrested them at a police checkpoint for the mental police they were on a government mission but did not specify for which government. They also. Don't believe police that so sexy. That's sexy. It gets even sexier when they told police that their boss was going to call their boss implying that that someone high in Haiti's government would vouch for them and secure their release. The five Americans right as former navy seals. Chris Osmond Christopher McKinley Former Marine Corps pilot. Ah croker former army and P talent Burton and the president of a business headquartered in Louisiana called Patriot Group Services Dustin port so we have have Chris Chris Kent Talented Dustin. It sounds like sounds like rose going on a ski trip especially on a Saturday. Oh absolutely it. Sounds like they're like Bros.. Going on a ski trip and they get in trouble in there like our DADS to call your dad arrogant to get. They got in trouble with their AIRBNB. They want charge him for some some Rowdy Party they thrill and they WANNA get out of the Washington Post reporter. Alex Horton tweeted. That sounded like it was a group that was about to go down there and start a veteran coffee companies. Say They don't know if they're doing down there yet even on a government mission you gotTa have a better they gotta have a better response than hey we're on a government mission. These guys I disagree. I disagree you think of that out there. People like Oh shit like whenever you don't know what they're going on you have some dudes roll it around it probably range rovers and some tax vehicles and they have guns shut in the back they have sat phones and you don't just casually get drones now but what I'm saying is you and when you say something like that leads to more questions as they got. They got they should have said something. Like oh Give give US Smith a call in your office. It's no he'll he'll vouch for us. And you'll know what you're talking about and then just drive away. Nobody oh well we gotta call Smith. Meanwhile there's no Smith Fats your I mean it's there's gotta that'd be but something better than hey we're on a government mission that by the way brand if you get caught jumping the turnstiles in the subway like you like to do use that that will work out well for you but among the others that makes it even more interesting. It wasn't just these American veterans they were with to Serbians and one Haitian and chats. I agree with your thought on. Ns on whenever you ever held Serbians. Yeah if you're around Serbians that I'm like Oh shit something I could go into Taco bell and Gupta Taco bell counter be like. Hey you're craigslist bike. You might WANNA hurry up Serbians in the back. There slurped down their second. Bob Lash it's about to get real I I would be like. I will take our cheesy Gordon crunch to go because I don't want to be anywhere. I don't know if it's problematic to say. I don't WANNA be around. Serbia Oughta be firmly on the record. I am out on cancer and sound. The problematic siren that is problematic. Can't be out on Serbian. Why but I think you can't be because they're like a Serbian are the Weirdo? Because I mean you different areas when I was when I was in Volusia we would go into this house. And they're they're like they found passports of people who had Serbian names and my company commander of the platoon was like. Oh we gotta be on the lookout there serpents in the area and I was like noted. We're looking for al-Qaeda right now. But it's like a step up from al-Qaeda you're talking about Serbia's and think about any wasn't correct me if I'm wrong. Cons the movie with Owen. Owen Wilson. Where behind enemy lines? We're at well. They didn't right. They didn't specifically say with Serbian but it was meant to be Serbian more or less. Yeah Oh yeah see Z.. Out on Serbia's don't do not at me if you're absolutely hardships please attack in. If you're Serbian I I they do not not attack me. If you're not a good word I have no drones. I have no weapons. I have a couple of knives. But they're mainly to cut-up steak. I also have the night which is really really sharp. Be careful that when you don. I got to apply these guys for trying to utilize their military skills and training raining outside of the military beyond. But I just cook well. Hopefully they weren't I mean not in this instance. I guess I just saved more. Generally I appreciate it when guys start their own businesses to provide security or training for police forces things that nature if these guys doing something illegal. I don't support that but I just feel like if you have all this training in then you get out of the military and you're a young guy you know forty years older younger. It's such a waste to have all that training not then be transferred transferred to somebody else to utilize. Well speaking of listen to this then so the group these veterans the Chris. Osma Guy owns Chris designs which is tactical gear and motorcycle gear. And both those things say things like funchiess on 'em typical Chris McKinley. It's not a pro support Aisin's since no. You're right. Fuck Isis completely. Truly Chris McKinley the CEO of victis group described as a consortium of US Special Operations Nations veterans that deliver corporate team building services. And I'm starting to build an idea on. This can't croker who runs a company. Called croker offroad engineering specializing in truck suspension systems. Talent Burton the director of High Threat Protection for hawks from global and Dustin Port of Patriot groups services investigative investigative and Boutique Services. So all in on anything first of all I want to be on the record that I'm all in on anything that's called the consortium Absolute lack of anything. I will invest. So we've got the gear guy vehicle. Serbians that consortium sounds like medicine you take for your diarrhea true. I'm thinking these guys were on a way in my mind. I like to think 'cause the one guy does the corporate corporate team building services with his consortium of special OPS veterans. I like to think this was like a corporate team. Building exercise gone horribly awry. Where think this guy's like trust me? Trust me. We'll be fine. This'll be bad ass. And then listen. I have a business venture that I think that we should start. We need to find a navy be seal. WHO's super religious? Wants to become a youth pastor so you could do mission trips with a navy seal youth pastor to do team building exercises. This is with the SPEC OPS flare in places like the Bahamas Jamaica or anywhere else that you would go on mission trips that would be the new wave of southern churches across like if you had the flag the Christian Flag Navy Seals. In something involving a consortium. You are made again bucks absolutely. The Christ's Consortium K.. Just listening to you. Describe those gentleman's businesses. It really does sound like the makings of a Hollywood movie. And it's funny that this story came out because I sent you guys a trailer for a movie that it's coming out on Netflix. Next month. With Ben Affleck Charlie Hunan and Oscar Isaac called triple frontier where all these ex military goto foreign country and do something my guess is. I'm speculating here. Similar to what these guys might have been. I'm trying to do so. What the way insane? But maybe this is in the making you guys feel like a failure if you're involved with some kind of secret mission to get a bunch of kilos of cocaine okay. Do you haven't been yet. Both boots he's dead at anything wrong. We're not GONNA stop. And if they did anything wrong to sounds like a great time. Shot sounds like academic sounds like a team building trip. But we do. We also reserve the right to say if they were doing something. Tim fucked up. We also rebuked that prematurely the preemptive rebuking if they did something bad other than that in my opinion. They're just drove goofing in Haiti as just a casual vacation probably got the ticket on groupon. Is that the Promo Code Zero. Bet All right. Let's move onto round two. The round number nine is probably one of my favorite stories of the year by far at the commanding general of Second Marine Division. Sent out a memo to distracting out some of the Marines. That were there. He basically tried to end their life via commanding general memo. It didn't work out for him but later here I became a little bit more on the second on the general side because if we find out that the whole issue started by a marine being in pajamas in the Chow Hall which is never a good idea. Round number four comes straight from the desk of the commanding general of Second Second Marine Division. Buckle up folks has this is the most unbelievable letter. I've read in a while to put this. I could see someone saying this shit at a formation formation but since putting it all out in a letter from the commanding general not even from like the sergeant major in charge but straight from the generals mouth was a move. I don't think I ever saw while I was in the Marine Corps. Here's what he says. Marines and sailors of Second Marine Division in my travels with the sergeant major in command master chief throughout the division spaces. I have noticed a significant decline in the basic discipline of our warriors because of Second Marine Division has the majority of Personnel Campbell. June we will take ownership of this problem and all caps fix it immediately. We have allowed marines and sailors to walk around with long hair non-existent or poor shaves unserviceable boots and utilities and improper civilian attire. There are weeds growing around our buildings and workspaces workspaces and trash everywhere. The dumped but the dumpster where it belongs. These are just a few of the examples of the lack of discipline. Seen across the board that will not be tolerated. Interest ended in this division any longer. Our Marine Corps embodies the highest professional standards. How we look in garrison how we maintain her whitman? Weapons Fair and workspaces is directly related to how we perform in combat a general lack of attention to detail on corrective action by peers and leaders results in lower discipline and destroys the foundational additional. What's the Marine Corps was bill ironclad disciplined as leaders? We all need to step up to the plate at reestablish and enforce daily basic routine and BDR that promotes habits and thought and action efficiency and in here to the standards. That are the hallmark of our nation's force in readiness part of what makes our forces different from our sister service. American society is a regimentation of our daily lives adherence to orders and standards help foster mutual. Trust one another and produces the attention to detail required to be effective when called upon to fight as our nation's nine one one force below is a basic daily right that I expect to become the norm across the division. I expect each and every marinas Taylor to fully embrace the following routine at zero five thirty there will be the division wakeup reveille supervised by their leaders. Zero five thirty five zero six hundred hygiene general room clean up and all blinds will be at half mast zero six to eight hundred physical training. PT Recovery Police call the barracks and common areas designed for area cleanup zero eight zero eight fifteen platoon a tune. Company formation leaders use this time to inspect personnel equipment and the bears Etcetera Zero Eight fifteen to twelve hundred -CCOMPLISH the sign morning task zero twelve twelve to thirteen hundred. We're going to have child. That's unit dependent on thirteen hundred. Sixteen thirty accomplishable sign afternoon task. Zero six are sixteen thirty to sixteen ECKSTEEN. forty-five Petunia Company formation again past guidance and direction for the next day zero six forty five or sixteen forty five zero five thirty liberty. It's time to ensure sure that your uniform and equipment are stored away for their next day. Leaders will inspect the Marines and sailors daily to ensure that the appearance of our naval services high standards as accomplished in embraced embraced by all meteors impure should not be apprehensive in the correction of other marines. I love that line. That's a loaded line. Loaded line leaders appear should not be apprehensive to correct. Other marines and sailors leaders will have full support of the division in enforcement of this order as you will be held accountable for the appearance of your marine or sailor. He's he's not fucking around. I wonder what happened to get the point. Where the commanding general releases that letter? Because normally that would come from the sergeant major like now the direction to the other sergeant majors across the base or the first sergeants crossed the basis. Like get your people together from the general something must have been really really fucked up in this very very bad absolutely because champs at the fact that a general would write this night. This senior enlisted. Personnel is Kinda really surprising. Something that took me by surprise to. I don't know I guess. Just never seen it. The fact that he was using all caps multiple points during this this memorandum was Through throwing me off a little bit. That's how you know some serious and I WANNA give. I WANNA give pause before. I gave the most unbelievable unbelievable line that he says he when he closes out. He says any dissenters can answer to myself. The Division sergeant major in the command master chief and will be dealt with accordingly. Can each of you live up to the mantra of quote. If I was accused of being a marine or sailor today would there be enough evidence to convict me at this time across our force. I believe the answer for many as firmly no and it needs to be corrected immediately. Who Well I can you say? I just picturing the straw that broke the camel's back like he's been on base this general going around for months for facts. Only if you're right Oh you okay so no good you get your opinion. I can work early in the morning. He goes by barracks that has had a party. The smoke the night before there's Red Solo cups blowing in the wind cigarette butts all over the police. Maybe even drunk marine asleep on a picnic table outside. I don't know but I just imagine he was driving. He saw something that just made him snap. And now this is one of the things the what was it like. I'm dying to know while he was driving whenever he saw him. This major driving down the road whenever they saw it. It was one marine with an umbrella. Why would they hate marines of umbrellas artist? That's true maybe I am wrong. You imagine you say one marine would you like okay you hours. If there's any dissenters out there bring them to make that. That's such a game of thrones. I can honestly see Like the Lord. Commander of the night's watch like standing up like if there's any dissent today to myself L. for jots it was very well written. I liked a lot of different lines throughout but I just I support everything you said Ed. 'cause I can understand how especially that high up. You're just expecting everything to be perfect anytime you drive around you see anything. Nothing should ever be out of order her general DJ furnace give us a signer DM's and tell us what it was. That set you off. Because I am dying to now. I think we have more more of a chance if you're one of his aides Up and let us know what is because we want to know. I just can't imagine the SAR majors. Agers gotTa feel. They're still yeah. Oh Yeah The general the Sergeant Major Second Marine Division has got to be fucking. I will love all my God. Unlike getting my heart starting to flutter is thinking about it being in the room with all the different base sergeant majors across the different battalions across different squadrons. Rogers on June. 'cause you know when this aim out he was like every other started major on the base being my office in fifteen minutes like like he was cool to go knocking off on all because by and large in chaps. Kate tell me if you agree by largest this entire letter is is all NCO Business Oh yes ten percent the general should not be concerned with any of this stuff. This is disturbing things that you'd just be happening without second thoughts so the fact that he's taking time to call it out dude. I did my battalion. Commander Commander was even involved loved with the day to day planning of anything anything they have. So you have mission. Accomplishment is what you're supposed to do in the command gives you objectives of what they wanna see. You have the basically mission intent like commander's intent of what needs to happen over the course of the next two weeks. We we need to have this accomplished. How it's executed is not up to the officers in the Marine Corps so the fact that the commanding general of the base is giving in a time line of the day the basically the training schedule of the day is unbelievable and so far out out of the stove but normally happens at the core so we we need we need somebody somebody from Campbell is you and you need to Diaz and let us know what the heck was going on to the panel says the commanding general? I think he was the three star. I don't see Says his actual rank you just signed his last name the commanding general pointing out in the end the hygiene room clearing time blinds have to be at half mast that Oh yeah I mean. That's what a sergeant says S. E.. Five sergeant this is where though they say like all right you guys you guys were lazy. Whatever she's about to get stupid shits it's about to get real dumb because you slack off now? It's going to be ten times worse now. You'RE GOING TO BE UP ZERO five thirty everyday regardless of what we're doing you are going to have your room feel l. date every fucking day. Not Just Thursdays are of a as. I'm looking at picture right now. What Jersey is this? WHO's the red always a big Ohio state guy? Hi Megan. Here's a picture of him with a high tight on necklace in an Ohio State Jersey on. But you definitely looks like a Harto for newer. You know what this actually reminds minds me off my battalion commander. Who is now? I believe a two star Gerald Ba- Jimmy Major General. Tim daugherty he used to say when stuff like this would happen. We would hear from a lower leadership that the commanders said he will resort to draconian measures. Yeah and he's got a huge fucking stack to. He's like this guy. You can't be like this looking like these. Never done it. Like no this guy could. He looks like he could tie you guys as reading this the most reading it the most. Yeah when they read it fucks up today the most I have seen his son of a bitch. I think it's the senior lance corporal who has like four months left and he's ready to get it out it just come back from deployment. He reads his letter. And he's like. I just wanted to skate my last couple months. Now we're going to have fucking daily PT. I I mean they're going to have daily. They're gonNA have daily fucking room inspections. I don't know how much generals at that point. No Oh how it affects the most junior people it is going to affect them so much like the morale on on Second Marine Division is going to be at an all time low but we also tells me one other thing. This is what it tells me as for my leadership brain. This is what it tells me. If he's doing this. The wars are dying down. This got something to you. Do whenever there's high level of tempo high level mission turnover on over high levels of training the Marine Corps is finally starting to be turned down in the amount of deployments that they're doing across the board and how much people are actually going out out. Where the commanding general has time to worry about if people have haircuts usually whenever we're at war the tattoo policy gets? It's a little bit. Tighter like is when that happens because they want us to be clean killing machines whenever it's not whenever we're not doing a ton of war than they'll be like okay. Okay then you can go look a little bit harder and get your tattoos and shit like that. This is what's happening. They're the lowest slowed down so now or worried about haircuts. Yeah Nah that that really is a great point and so true because they're so so many times that little things as much as they might have. No you just brush off like we'll get we're ramping up. Go to guarantee. CEO were rampant after that point month. Like I'm GonNa win it slide but now yeah not appointments Hell the pay bring it to pay a baked on. That's all I can say. Better them than me. Well look how the tables have turned and second Marine Division. I am so so happy. I would officially say that we have a little zebdine lance corporal underground because they came into my ideas like a bunch of little squirrels and it made amy so happy Friday afternoon Friday morning whenever they were telling me about what was going on now. I don't have this written down so it's going to be a little bit squirrelly girl getting through this but here it's okay it's okay. I'm I'm excited to hear what they had to say. All right so as a young marine. There's a couple of people who you never want to ever even know your name who you don't want them to know what you look like. They don't want to be able to describe you. The only thing they wanted to be on a scribe you as is about a five. I foot white did with a medium haircut. That's all you want to be known. As by a certain people in the Marine Corps. One of those people is a sergeant major of the Marine Corps. Now the started. What's what what would you say? The primary role the started major of the army is gone. So are major of the army is there to enforce all the the standards across the army and also make sure that all of the orders that are put out by the secretary of the army and the chief of staff the Armie are enforced. And now put away your West but point notebook. What does he actually do? In your opinion makes it makes sure Shit Shit is squared away out. Let the record. Show that cons cussed on the podcast today Shit on the pod. Wow please write that down in the minutes. The primary objective I believe for any senior enlisted is the motivate the enlisted side of the troops in and help the officers carry out their plan of attack across the board. No matter what brand service redocking about whether you're the comanche Air Force whatever the fuck they call it the chief Petty Officer in the Navy. That's your the job. Your job is not to correct junior members so this is one of the theories. I got two primary theories in my. DM's one one theory was a sergeant. Major of the Marine Corps was going in the challenge. He's in a child On Camp Lejeune while the commandant of the Marine Corps was eating morning morning Chow using morning child breakfast. Burr used civilians listening at home using breakfast of the comment. was there the commanding general the the Marine Corps while how he was there the sergeant major of the Marine Corps was obviously with him because they basically go everywhere together. The sergeant major of the Marine Corps saw a young marine in Pajama. The pants unshaved in the Chow Hall and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps took it upon himself to go over and ask the Doug Double Dog. What the fuck your problem marine? And his answer was it's cool sergeant major in those words it's cool cool start major. I'm actually on leave. Kate is being out of uniform in unshaven on leave. Excuse when you're in our beloved core only only if you're a lady and people can't tell you in the core drew what no no. It's not an excuse. You gotta stay the whole time. There's a code. You're expected to follow so so that's no good. And when you're the start of the Marine Corps you're the comment on the Marine Corps. Whenever you're on a base the higher ups travel with you like little fucking you know those fish that circle around sharks that are like picking up all the crumbs that go around essentially the star major of the Marine Corps and the combination are the great whites and they have these little tiny fish that are following mm around all over base and those are like the Division sergeant major the base sergeant major shit like that? Will they see this marine and apparently the SAR major of the Marine Corps wit off to like not even just a little correction. Because that's usually how they do it if they are going to because they carry the weight of this art major of the Marine in court on their chevrons. I get there. You know who that motherfucker is. It doesn't have to. Yell is arguing with Marine Corps. When he does yell whole Buddy links start to move and they start to move quickly? That was theory one of what happened. The got the commanding general pissed off that he was barest from the Communists Major each of the Marine Corps secondly two days after that there was a congresswoman who came to the base and she was getting tour of the barracks and apparently the barracks that she happened. The point at wants to go in was in as the French say disarray. It was completely fucked up in the barracks was just dirty as all hell l. and then after that. So that's another embarrassment. They had in the barracks fucked up so figuring out that the SAR major of the Marine Corps came the congresswoman from season dirty aspects. Next thing you know the commanding general the base hold. NCO symposium with a majority NCO's And below so it was for art I think is actually know was a non NCO symposium so e threes and below who went to this and the commanding general said. What is the biggest issue with? What's going on in your unit at a young? Pfc No yardage riding this buddy a young pse told the commanding general. Our leadership sucks us on the daily Sir. They gosh he said the standards that a young marines are required to keep aren't what the NCO's in staff. And CEOS keep. They only look out for themselves if we get a bad or on a PF immediately goes into the system if they get a bad PFC score in we see them take the PF G. They are faking their scores in like just went off in started to say everything everything that was wrong. He said the staff and only care about themselves. The sergeant major the Division sergeant major apparently pulled this marine outside. It was like what the fuck is your problem problem. And he said sergeant major asked and answered the commanding general wanted to know our opinion so I gave it and I was just like I. I mean that adds a lot to be between that guy just speaking his mind in that manner and then also oh the Chutzpah on the young dog to go to the Chow Hall in Pajama Pants. When if you have a common the ring core come into base? That's pretty widely hardly known so just to on any day to go to the Chow Hall in Magenta Pants is Ballsy as hell but then to leave your room knowing that you potentially could run into the combat in Pajama Pants into Wa wa. Listen I've been to lava Pajama Pants. More often than not. I'll say that but I've never gone into a Chow Hall in Pants. I also WanNa say just scrolling through because we did a post about this on our instagram. And if you've ever seen the movie mean girls I heard Katy here and did this. I did that right lane on the comments. It was someone says total was because he went to Geiger to the graduation and didn't get saluted and someone responds. I heard someone on duty on. The phone saluted him sitting down and on the phone and a Gordon Him and then other people are like I live on the phone. Sitting down drugs. I used to love to do that when I would recall to the barracks the game rain to come see me at the at the officer Lackland like are you standing up. Marie like yes. He'd like yes now. Started like all right good ham and the phone to devout your left or right like is he standing up sitting down. He's sitting down south starting good. Tell him to come senior to what a fun on game matters you see. What else did you seek anything else? Good just another was guys who are in those. Those units getting tagged. They're buddies like. Hey isn't this you and being like a sloppy. Oh three forty dude. That's me that's my unit shit. So fuck doc no and then other people saying are also on the base in around the base seeing Damn Shit slacks a bunch of videos of dudes picking picking it aside Walker Leaf blowing. They captured infantry so they just like some of the ones. That's like like Yup Yup wow. Up and then the vomit emoji is the whole in the going on. But I have a different take about this if I was the commanding general because normally you get quarterback answers you'd get fucking Peyton manning type answers whenever you ask questions I would have promoted at. ESPN spot. I said I want to know what's wrong. You had the courage to stand up and say what was wrong out. I would have promoted that motherfucker know lance or prog spa and I think you have to encourage you say I wanNA know and somebody gives you the correct answer or a not ocular dealer answer an answer that you know the divisions are made is going to bring his ass outside for promotes. Ask that Discourage yeah for sure because also much which is not as they as they leave blow right now that kid getting shit. Yeah but he's getting shit on any could be making young standard parade rest but I was just gonNa say in the military. It's definitely one of those things that you'd probably seems to me that this guy has been noticing this for a while and in the military you can't go with the fact Do as I say not as I do that just doesn't cut it. You gotta set the standard and fulfill yourself so if you see your leadership or anybody for that matter doing one thing and telling you to do another. That's got to be so frustrating so I just imagined this has been happening for a while and finally it's been eating at him enough that he said I have the balls to stand up in this auditorium and speak my mind so as you said good on him chips and one last note. If you are the two star general sending out letters that say and I quote we have allowed Marines and sailors to walk walk around with long hair. non-existence reports Dave unsurvivable boots and utilities and improper civilian attire. There are weeds growing up blah. If you go into all of that that detail about a lack of discipline you had better make sure that everything about your shit. Smells like Lilac. He did not do that Kate. What had our good friend read? Paul Sigh yes puzzle the Hebron stuff a blog. He is a reporter asking purpose. He went and looked at the commanding general's uniform very closely and saw that his own uniform that he uses in all his press photos is fucked up The two stars on his collar incorrectly placed so in his main photo photo that goes around to everyone that was attached that released and everything it was wrong and so actually a Paul tweeted this out including photos with like little arrows pointing exactly what was wrong and everything. What's a uniform Do you remember what is it. Kate what are you kidding. What you spit it out? What is it you know what that Shit was while in the army? It's six seventy dash one. I don't know about the core but six seventy tabs with no this like the back of his hand. Dan What is it ten twenty thirty four Golf Bom Dan. I mean credit credit and the Kudos to the Paul because what the thing he noticed was the one point point and obviously just about nobody would know this because one most people don't read the reds front to back and to why would anyone ever look at the reds for a general because most people don't reach that rank but one of the points on his star is supposed to be pointed at the point of a collar on his shirt. That's pretty ridiculous. So Kudos to Paul for finding that and then the second Marine Division coach with it and they're just like they have nothing to say. Did you throw up their hands and yeah well they said good is thanks. Marines Correcting Marines is an essential part of the process off to schedule a new photo and signed by his initials. Donald Charles and I think that's an extremely smart move. No no no. He is typing now with fucking knuckles. Oh yeah he has is nothing he can say he is out everybody fucking Dick in hand there is absolutely nothing say second Marine Division commanding general. Fuck you dude. Don't doughnuts on blast like that putting out this letter. If you WANNA have this letter make it closed. Doors makes Majors go because you're trying to embarrass every single person Person Second Marine Division in had this go up to the Communist so he sees your Dick Swinging in the wind. This is throwing your entire division under the bus. This is faulty leadership. Its its leadership as a false in I review it. That's not how we do. Oh Buddy wow I I have to admit honest to God because when you put out that that letter ultimately if you're the commander that all reflects on you so essentially when he's right letter he saying here's how I failed because there are all these things wrong with this unit. So here's how I feel. You WanNa do that. That's fine you better make sure your shit is squared away right in type and their curse twice in in one segment so you know a more fired up about this last note tecate At the same time as General People only tell you what you WanNa hear and show you what what they think you want to see. which is perfection so if these stories all these different stories that we heard coming from the lower ranks true all these fuck ups and stuff are true and all the things that we're seeing is true than I say? Call him out. Call everybody fuck out Kagera Buddies at the carpet and embarrass away. Good Sir I dunno case waived made me. I agree with Kate. I take back my fuck you to the Second Marine Division and I take back my rebuke but I also want to remind people that this is the type of letter this type of interactions actions that we get when people say the core so different Nulla. Fuck it's now. These are the type of things that have happened for generations in the Marine Corps. I laugh and laugh and laugh whenever I get messages. Suggest from Young Marines like dog. It's so different now fucking we Jordan or like from my staff. NCO friends who say that like so different. We're young devil dogs your perspective. It is different because you've been in longer but if you look back. Hallmarks of our core. The hallmarks of military are primarily the same and finally round number ten. I issued out a warning to all those folks or like a plea guests to all the little stories that happened across the military because there is a ton I wanted everyone to be my little birds. Like game of thrones where they are sending me what was happening some of the dramas. Some of the tea that was happening on wherever they were in the world one one of these stories came from the Air Force. Seven thirty Fifth Squadron Hickam Air Force Base. There is a motivator who is sick of everyone shit as well and he took an all cap dumped on the entire tire units chest. This is one of our favorite stories of the year round number one. This might be my favorite thing that we're doing content right now the last two weeks. We've had different marines different soldiers. Sailors airman reach out to us and tell us about the drama. That's going on in their in their units units and I could not encourage that behavior even more back in my day. I would have hated it if I was listening to a show on my way to work and I heard in a story that was going on in my command I would have been the aureus definitely doubt that I'm on the outside looking in I could. I'm not recommend it more to our listeners because as a young troop you guys need. Young sailors soldiers airmen Marines coast guardsmen. You guys need a little bit of venting. Yeah because you get shit on you have to take it air out your leadership and I also think that it's good to call people out on their on their shit like we have been doing the second Marine Division Asian commanding general. which we're GONNA get into a little bit later today? I think it caused them to account and makes them be better leaders. That makes them do everything above the board. We have another story story for you. This time. It comes from the seven thirty Fifth Squadron which is Air Force. Here's the letter I'm GonNa try to get through You can barely see it so so. It's Kinda hard but I have. I had the letter and I'll I'll read it to an in advance in chapters defense the punctuation and grammar is not the bash. Honestly we expect more from our air force members than that. This is an angry air force member people who can't see this letter it's it's an all caps and it's just one long paragraph rant like one sentence I it's it's I don't even there's nearly no paragraph structure to it. There's just one-sentence almost if you're going to send in these if you're going to be the various like my little birds please four. Furthermore however a comma occasionally occasionally just for your blast struggle reading aloud anyways. I need a little bit of help. Maybe some high res pictures too high pictures this one look like it was taken from an iphone Tayo into the letter here. We go thank you the music place. Aw follow it cates. Is podcast sneeze on the PODCASTS. Are here we go. Welcome to the a seven. Thirty Fifth Squadron. Where if you really really do less work than the other I guarantee you airman of the year or civilian of the quarter? The leadership is a joke. They are either like you or hate you or they make known that no one held accountable for their actions or a higher standard. They give these so-called morale boosting speeches is telling everyone they are doing a great job in which half the people that work at seven thirty fifth or garbage. The couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag. Let alone make AK- decision people are hired into positions that are qualified for but if the other person doing the hiring noses person through their co worker they get hired they get selected good for overall orders whatever that means the seven thirty fifth heading down a dangerous road if they don't correct problems within the squadron's starting from the very top God knows what can happen up. People will smile on your face to make you think everything is okay it stand up when you enter a room only because of your position the military has note has changed no one mentors airman anymore the NCO pretty much telling the airman. I got mine now. You figure out how to get yours. The squadron just finishing inspection which they should have failed failed it felt more like a high school reunion than inspection old friends playing catch up so prior to the inspection they hit panic mode running. QR sees and so and so on that so old three seventy fifth the waiting until the last minute to get things. Moving has has to be the worst where the incompetence competent running wild bad information constantly. Getting past the people this is. I mean I sound like I'm struggling reading. No there's words that aren't even in spelled correctly so the fact that you're hitting on the rest of the information is kind of getting people passing do double work get get off your ass them. Make the correct information needed to be to get the job done. That's just a little inside of what's going on. I doubt anything will change so remember if you kiss. It's a little acid. Do Less Work Youtube in advance your career the thirty fifth. If you're reading listener funded by good. Now what are you going to do to fix your problem and show by your actions actions not by your empty words. We'll start with you catherine your thoughts on the letter. There were certain parts where they say like were people will stand up just because of your rank and your position and I'm like well. Yeah no shit. That's that's how it works. Certain ranks you do stand up for room. And that's that's the way that cookie crumbles quite sure I've earned it back this person. I'm glad they spilled the tea but I feel like there's something deeper that like if we knew the full story and we knew the person who wrote it and we got the full scope. He'd be like the I don't know so if I'm a commander from platoon leader and I'm reading this letter number one I almost automatically dismiss it because of how poorly it's written so honest to God i would. I would look at this and read. Well this person can't even put basic sentences together. Even I understand. They're very upset but I I can't take them seriously and I'm GonNa make speculation here. This is a you know a someone who does not have much of an education because this is just pretty basic stuff. I mean. They're mixing up the words were and where and again credits you ch- apps for knowing they met where not were right. I have a theory on that air. Air Force is smart. My guess is this is an officer who dumbed it down so that nobody can figure out who sent this letter and I think that's and generic. There's no details in there. That would identify who this person is in any way. It's very bland. So I'm going to say it's a mid level officer who's just had it and they don't hate that take Kate. I don't hate call because a little bird who sent it to us. This time was not the one who wrote it he. He made it very clear to me that it wasn't him that wrote it but they said that the seven thirty fifth is apparently a big unit. It's in Hawaii to which Powell you're this upset while while you're working in Hawaii every day is baffling to me. Just go outside. That's why people don't give up the station. Somebody at Hickam Air Force Base Hawaii who would care. Why would you hear about Damn Damn near anything? But they pay them. They have a Hawaiian Shirt Fridays. They put these in every single office around the seven thirty breath. These were all over the place. Yeah it was limited ever got. It's like mean girls when they spread the pages of the book around the High School Ryan so it makes it even worse in my opinion that it so dramatically fucked up. Like if you're going to do this if you're going to go to that effort and pronounced so many copies you've gotTa make sure that your I would put it on like the official letterhead and just completely make it perfect all credit. It loses all credibility. When you I I probably wouldn't even get through all of it because of how poorly it's written because it's written like that to me? It just sounds like this would be as is if someone was sitting in the barracks in just translating a drunken airmen on a Friday night who is just going off. And he's just complaining in about a lot of things because also too and this. This goes for officers. Enlisted everybody bitches right but we always say the grapes. Go Up. But the reason there's A Gripes Alana. Time is because you just don't have all the information so while I'm sure some some things in this letter valid in he s some issues with his unit. There's probably just some things that are just either standard for the military or he just doesn't have the full story so that's why he's all upset. I would argue that. Because the person specifically lists that the inspection was rushed and that it was like a buddy buddy high school reunion and not taken seriously when you're in an air wing if something then if something did happen in the seven thirty fifth some major accident or something like that this letter would be brought up or so. I think this letter our forces I promise you action was taken somebody at least was tasked. Hey I'm so. This sucks dude. But you gotta look into this one high-ranking officer tasked with bike going through checking it off so we cover our asses. I promise action was taken because of this ladder. There's something that I think. What if I was giving my real take? I know okay was joking that it's an officer that did it. My real take is. This is the rank of this person. Now thank you about to be impressed by my investigative skills here. I believe this person is an E.. Five who has been in for eleven and a half years. They are struggling to get promoted to e. six. They feel you like they know everything because they've been in their same specific job for so long that they look at the people who have been promoted e six and e seven that were there appears much much faster than them. There's a lot of bitterness goes on because they probably are actually technically proficient at their job but because they have to write evaluations on the members junior they're seniors they're higher enlisted their officers see their inability to communicate well and that goes negatively into their vows so while they're technically proficient probably one of the best jobs at the squadron they cannot get promoted so therefore they are mad people that are getting promoted in higher positions. Because if if there's one thing I know about the air force is the big time air force. Praise they are very good at individual unit inspections very very good better than any Marine Corps unit. And I've ever been a part of when they inspect and make sure that everything is ready. They go to the tease man to tease. Whenever we would have inspections at the dock school school which is run by the air force? I was like Holy Shit Man. They go through fucking everything marines. Have you do a demo. And you're pretty much good. The air force goes through it. They're fucking when it's an inspection. They go through it through it through it through it through it. I mean when you read it through that prism of an e five with all of the groups that you just mentioned. I can't I can't argue with that. It seems like that's very accurate. I would love a columnist case drunk. Better e five. Yeah definitely a man. And what does he joke on. Because I'll even tell you what he's drunk. He's probably drunk on whiskey. No wrong kate. I'm going to say he slammed a whole thirty two pack of Bud Light Wrong Keystone light. NOPE wrong again. Young brand. I mean this guy's got a Lotta clash you can tell by his writing probably like reserve or maybe a Malbak closer but the correct answer is hard apple cider as what. He's strong hard cider. Hard apple CIDER is. What he's fucked on yet he? I'm I'm playing this out in my head. Further and it just picture this Guy Bitch into his wife at home on Friday as he furiously types away laptop telling her about all the problems in in his unit and she's just saying you know what you're right you should have been promoted two years ago and it's just getting funnier as I think more about it what we've got to the bottom that one. Yeah we figured it out figure out who. Hey seven thirty fifth figure out who in your unit searched trash cans for Hornsby cider time and serve as less than twelve of years more than ten years e five and he's been a e Phi for at least four years. This is not a woman that does it. Women don't write in all caps use punctuation so we can rule out ladies on this end all right. Let's move onto round two and that's a pretty good end of the year review for Zero Block thirty thirty. What a great year of content? It was thanks to all the fans. I I WANNA give a little behind the scenes zero block. Thirty has grown every month. That we've been a podcast and that's because you guys share if you love the show and you want other people to love the show so you could talk about some of the podcast things that we do here. This is a great episode descended. It gives like a kind of full spectrum of what we do without some of the serious stuff thrown in. This is who we are we picked out these episodes because we are these rounds. Because we wanted to Pete's gets people to see what Kinda show we envision to be and this is it. This is the best of thanks for listening to everybody. I have no save round or alibis for myself so S- out the retreat