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Miami Local News - Tom Brady Expected To Choose Tampa Bay Buccaneers
"And of course Tuesday was dominated by D. B. M. Q. B. they begin with a social media post from Tom Brady thank you New England for twenty years as the day began to wrap up word would come that Tom Brady would be heading south time for straight talk brought you by straight talk wireless it's Tampa Bay that's the expected landing spot for Tom Brady the the official announcement still to come the Brady expected to be a buccaneer ESPN's Jeff Darlington this kind of is because it goes back a little bit in February when the Buccaneers behind the scene started to realize and recognize that Tom Brady was also serious about entering free agency something the sports world couldn't get their minds around but the box early in realizing that it was real so fast forward to this day and I I I'm actually not all that surprised I I the sources close to him that I'm familiar with it have always indicated that what really really appealed to Tom Brady right now at this stage of his life is the autonomy that he's never had the true ability to say I am in charge of me I'll choose where I wish to be what ultimately was most important to him as he was making this choice for the first time well first of all that's a great point I think that the idea that he was running away from something in New England is very true but at the same time I think he loved the idea of chasing after something new and I think both of those things can be true in that regard he was looking at a number of different elements here too he was looking at trying to be with a coach who is maybe more collaborative not trying to be the general manager of the office reported but just maybe have a little bit more input also wanted a roster that maybe had those offense of weapons to reinvigorate himself and then two other factors maybe to some people warm weather actually like the idea of warm weather and the second thing was proximity to New York City for personal reasons and family reasons so they checked a lot of the boxes in Kampala and that's when it really to me when I started to recognize what he was looking for was when Tampa really started to make sense the news of Brady heading to Tampa Bay coming on the heels of Brady saying goodbye to the patriots in a series of posts on Instagram Tuesday which ended his twenty year run in New England ESPN analyst Steve young we got a guy that I think really wants to enjoy the last little bit of his career get with Bruce Arians who I I was a student you check into my career you know mood shows a lot of fun it was really that was the best antidote for the end of a career because you kind of it kind of grows a little guy I don't have the coast tell the same thing and so Bruce Arians is perfect for the situation so granted that's what you get is Tom Brady I think you'll see a guy joyful he loves football and have seen him love it in a unique way no I didn't get to see Tom Brady love it in a unique Tom Brady way that's not you know and that's what it was all positive for the pages of president we get that but I guess I think given tomorrow when he gets introduce is going to be just a joyful happy guy with a great coach have a great time I think more than anything it's Tom celebrating the right to go beam for true free agent I just finally got a place where a coach can could have a lot of fun and okay so what I'm hearing you say is this is gonna be fun for Brady but I mean ultimately for buccaneer fans that think it's gonna be fun for them like are they selling themselves a bill of goods because we are talking about a guy who's forty three he's not thirty five thirty six thirty seven I think the idea of the house Scott you have to kind of James was was reckless yeah he also was very productive yes you want to started to move on and I think you've got to save yourself we can get that productivity special to pull out of the play action game with the talent that we have a Mike Evans and others we can get that production out of Tom Brady even though we recognize there is in decline and that we can bless and we leave behind the recklessness and look at all of the seven point games that we lost under seven and under with nine games they lost by any state can Tom Brady win those games and I think you have a tough time saying no we can't this is not a set deal is not a team that's Super Bowl ready by area you know I get that but it's a vast racial from the box from Tom Brady and they're gonna mix it in and I think a lot of fun enjoyable self comes out worth noting what we're talking about the Buccaneers after his time in the USFL Steve young was a quarterback for the Buccaneers Tampa Bay then drafted many Testaverde because they thought young was going to be a bust Steve young all of him while Brady is heading to Tampa Bay there's also the departure from New England ESPN's Adam Schefter this signs all along the breadcrumbs laid out of Foxboro there was nothing that took place within the last seven eight months that would lead you to believe that Tom Brady was going to return to New England again let's keep it all in mind let's go back and retrieve some history he voided his contract which actually voice today is the day that the last two years on the deal void he said up to avoid that way she said it up to become a free agent there were no substantial of contract talks at all between the New England Patriots in Tom Brady despite the fact that there's been speculation that there would be that the patriots will construct never happened Tom Brady was open minded about leaving New England and basically exploring what was out there listening to other teams yesterday the negotiating period opened it was the first day he was allowed to hear from other teams he believes that he is far enough along to make the decision that I'm not gonna go back to doing which tells you that he had to be in this spot all along and he had to know that when he was walking off that field in Foxboro after the playoff loss to Tennessee he had to know his mind at that point in time that there was a real possibility that he would not be returning there as the quarterback of the New England Patriots I don't think this is a football decision only I think this is a life decision this is a decision involves him his wife his children his family his lifestyle his TB twelve models it goes beyond just football and someone said last week why is there tension wires are just why did you want to leave New England and I don't think it's a negative situation this is a group that was together for twenty years the one six super bowls that accomplish more than any combination in the history
Pulling of U.S. Troops in Syria Could Aid Assad and ISIS
"President trump says quote I consulted with everybody as he defended his decision to pull US troops from the Turkish Syrian border but to US officials tell NPR that military leaders directly involved in countering ISIS were blind sided by the president's sudden policy shift the move is raising serious concerns that a Turkish invasion in northern Syria could endanger US allies the Kurds who've been fighting alongside the U. S. against the Islamic state even trump's closest friends in Congress say the move will undercut US foreign policy in the region here's Republican senator Lindsey Graham on fox news I expect Americans to do within our national security interest is never in our national security interest to abandon and analyzes help this fight ISIS this never nine national security interest to create conditions for the real American a fight that in a moment we're going to hear directly from the top commander of Kurdish forces in Syria the first I wanna bring it and peers Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman who's following all this hi Tom he Richard you spoke with these two US officials what did they tell you about the president's decision to take these US troops out of this this border area will be said this surprise and also worried in there are several concerns Rachel they fear the Turkey will launch this military operation into north east Syria and leave these American ally Kurdish forces alone to fight Turkey and they worry that those Kurdish forces will a ban and in the anti ISIS fight also the prisons where they're holding ISIS prisoners to focus on Turkey now president trump says he's defeated the caliphate that's true but what he's failed to say is isis is regrouping their slipping back into cities and towns mounting of assassinations and bombings one of the U. S. officials who spoke with NPR says this is reminiscent of last December remember when the president abruptly said he wanted all two thousand US troops out of Syria Pentagon officials convinced trump to keep about a thousand troops in northeast here is to continue to fight against ISIS and that's what you have now but a thousand and all we're talking about though is this troops specifically deployed to the border area and that we understand to be only a couple of dozen but never the less the Pentagon kat blindsided by this I mean what are USFL officials telling you did were they consulted at all well what they're saying is they knew that there was a phone conversation between president trump and president one of Turkey they didn't know what the president would say there was never any inter agency discussion about the way ahead about the policy so the president made his decision in the Pentagon was basically informed of his decision to remove troops there was never any discussion about the policy change what you want to do they were just informed which is the opposite of what president trump said about can all right all right stay with me Tom because I'm gonna play some tape for you earlier this morning we got in touch with the commander of the top commander of this year and democratic forces this is that the Kurdish forces for who have been allied with the US and Syria and the top commanders name is general monsoon Cavani OB R. D. and I want to play some excerpts of our conversation he was speaking through his own translator who was there on the ground with him and I asked the general what the consequences with would be if president trump follows through on this pledge to take these US troops away from the border of this is what he sat let's look because so far we do focus on ice and that most experienced troops off our in our ranks they are taking care of the count in the prisons and the most dangerous people that's we hold him you know what detention facilities attention recognition exhibit with the kings Michelle something case all the American withdrawal from the border areas and the invasion started and the two start their inclusion for sure that one a priority for us it will be to protecting all our areas and our families and that one more folks you ice is likely false it before I'm just repeating what he said we will not be focusing on ISIS as we were before he's talking about having his his troops abandon those post Tom that means ISIS those prisoners would just be released that's possible in their own racial more than ten thousand of these places prisoners and is he said some of his best fighters are guarding them so there's a real concern about if these Kurdish fighters were guarding the prisons move up to fight the Turks who will be guarding the prisons and there's really no answer to that right yeah but it's a very very huge concern among
Trump says he 'consulted with everybody' on decision to withdraw troops from Syria
"President trump says quote I consulted with everybody as he defended his decision to pull US troops from the Turkish Syrian border but to US officials tell NPR that military leaders directly involved in countering ISIS were blind sided by the president's sudden policy shift the move is raising serious concerns that a Turkish invasion in northern Syria could endanger US allies the Kurds who've been fighting alongside the U. S. against the Islamic state even trump's closest friends in Congress say the move will undercut US foreign policy in the region here's Republican senator Lindsey Graham on fox news I expect American to do within our national security interest is never in our national security interest to abandon and analyzes help this fight ISIS this never nine national security interest to create conditions for the real American a fight that in a moment we're going to hear directly from the top commander of Kurdish forces in Syria the first I want to bring it and peers Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman who's following all this hi Tom he Richard you spoke with these two US officials what did they tell you about the president's decision to take these US troops out of this this border area will be said this surprise and also worried in there were several concerns Rachel they fear the Turkey will launch this military operation into north east Syria and leave these American and allied Kurdish forces alone to fight Turkey and they worry that those Kurdish forces will abandon the anti ISIS fight also the prisons where they're holding ISIS prisoners to focus on Turkey now president trump says he's defeated the caliphate that's true but what he's failed to say is isis is regrouping their slipping back into cities and towns mounting assassinations and bombings one of the U. S. officials who spoke with NPR says this is reminiscent of last December remember when the president abruptly said he wanted all two thousand US troops out of Syria Pentagon officials convinced trump to keep about a thousand troops in north the series to continue to fight against ISIS and that's what you have now but a thousand and while we're talking about though is this troops specifically deployed to the border area and that we understand to be only a couple of dozen but never the less the Pentagon kat blindsided by this I mean what are USFL officials telling you did were they consulted at all well what they're saying is a you knew that there was a phone conversation between president trump and president one of Turkey they didn't know what the president would say there was never any inter agency discussion about the way ahead about the policy so the president made his decision in the Pentagon was basically informed of his decision to remove troops there was never any discussion about the policy change what you want to do they were just informed which is the opposite of what president trump said about can all right all right stay with me Tom because I'm in a place and date for you earlier this morning we got in touch with the commander of the top commander of this year and democratic forces this is that the Kurdish forces for who have been allied with the US and Syria and the top commanders name is general Muslim Cavani OB Addi and I want to play some excerpts of our conversation he was speaking through his own translator who was there on the ground with him and I asked the general with the consequences with would be if president trump follows through on this pledge to take these US troops away from the border this is what he sat you don't go away is because so far we see folks on ice and that most experienced troops off our in our ranks they are taking care of that comes in the prisons and the most dangerous people that's we hold him you know what detention facilities that's a negative seventy seven fifteen so in case of the American withdrawal from the border areas and the invasion started good to start their inclusion for sure that one a priority for us each will be to protecting all our areas and our families and let one more folks you when prices likely fox it before I'm just repeating what he said we will not be focusing on ISIS as we were before he's talking about having his his troops abandon those post Tom that means ISIS those prisoners would just be released that's possible in their ritual more than ten thousand of these places prisoners and is he said some of his best fighters are guarding them so there's a real concern about if these Kurdish fighters were guarding the prisons move up to fight the Turks who will be guarding the prisons and there's really no answer to that right yeah but it's a very very huge concern among
"usfl" Discussed on Fantasy Focus Football
"Businessman. David dixon is pissed. He slams down the phone. He can't believe what he's just heard from. The n._f._l.'s dell's treasurer the league's chosen minneapolis as the location for its next team minneapolis. This has to be a joke clinches his fists. The feeling of frustration is familiar by now though dixon is just thirty seven. He spent the past decade trying to landed n._f._l. Franchise in his hometown of new orleans to dixit a football team takes a city from the minor leagues to the majors it means you don't merely the exist on the map your destination and he was assured new orleans would be next dixon walks into his kitchen whereas wife notices. He's clenching his jaw bad news. They rejected us again. I really don't know how much more this i can take well. There'll always be another chance willer will there dicksons frustration morphs into anger and that anger morphs into rebellion. He loves the n._f._l. But does he really need the n._f._l. You know the only reason football all is known as a fall sport because rutgers and princeton played the first ever game in the fall. You know that those teams had played in the spring. Football football would probably be a spring sport. Don't you think so why not a spring football d. Why wouldn't that work. Mary has no answer two years later. In the spring of nineteen sixty three dixon finally takes action. He flies to la hoya california to visit house of paul brown. The legendary cleveland browns founder and former head coach after nearly two the decades. He's recently been fired by the franchise. He created dixon knows. There's no love lost between brown the n._f._l. And he also knows is brown is a no nonsense genius with a football i._q. Of five hundred dixon's come to sell brown on his idea which he's calling the united states football league. I this is david brown. Host of business wars and i hope you enjoyed this little sampler sampler. I'm having so much fun learning about the larger than life characters and the human drama behind these epochs stories
USFL vs NFL - Risky Business
"Our series on the grudge match between the US F L and the NFL United States football league championship game nineteen eighty nine. We took you back to the eighties. When an upstart spring football league came along and tried to score on the NFL's turf. The USFL backed by a new set of owners, including the likes of Donald Trump attempted to change the face and feel of America's most popular sport. In the end. The USFL folded, but the league did have a lasting impact on the game. Many of its players and coaches went onto NFL stardom and rules. I initiated by the USFL like the two point conversion and the coach's challenge are now. Staples of the National Football League today, the NFL faces new business challenges there are new concerns about footfall injuries after another tough hit in the NFL overnight. There you see Brennan wish the calls helmet on helmet head. He was taken off the field with concussion widespread criticism over the safety of the sport and the league's response to players kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial injustice. Have sports watchers questioning the future of the NFL. Mike Pesca is a longtime sports journalist and podcast for slate. And before that for NPR, he is host of the slate daily podcast. Gist and author of the new book upon further review, the greatest what if in sports history, we're bringing him on the show to talk about some of the biggest uncertainties around professional football today. We talk about risks facing the NFL whether a new league could make it today. And what our culture would look like if football never took off in the first place. Hope you enjoy a conversation. Business wars is brought to you by wicks dot com. 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Dot com and use the coupon code be w you'll get ten percent off any premium plan with wicks premium plans, you get more storage, a free domain for a year and much much more. That's wicks dot com code BW for ten percent off any premium plan. Mike Pesca is host of the slate podcast, the gist, and he is author of the new book upon further review, the greatest what ifs in sports history. Mike, it's a real honor and privilege to have you on business wars. Thanks so much for doing this. It's my pleasure. Hey football is I guess you could say America's favorite professional sport still is I don't think NASCAR ever superseded football. And the NFL has been called the biggest show in the country if not on earth. I mean, what do you make of the league today, especially considering the many controversies that have been surrounding it from taking a need to you know, to to hit injuries. Well in America, we used to have a monoculture when there were three or maybe four TV networks and a few evening news broadcasts, but we've gotten fractured and we've gotten away from that. And the one exception is football. So not only is it the most dominant sport. I also think that it's to a great extent. The closest thing that we have to a culture. -tural glue. If you look at the ratings of the top twenty shows, the top twenty individually aired programs in any year football will be I don't know sixteen of the top twenty or so people think the Academy Awards is right there under the Super Bowl. No. There are three to five football games before you even get to something like the Academy Awards, and maybe a big bang theory. We'll sneak in there, so. Yeah, it's now it's not like most people or even watching every game. But it's the closest thing we have to a shared experience an agreed upon experience. And I think it says something about American twenty nineteen that we can't even agree upon football. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's something to that. I'm sure, but what about in a business sense? I mean, part of what we've been exploring is in in the course of of examining the USFL, and it's sudden rise was how the NFL was sort of a dominant business player. And I assume that especially given the television revenue that we're still talking about football the NFL in particular as as dominant. Yeah. Yeah. Football is collectively the value of the teams are worth possibly close to a hundred billion dollars in revenue it makes upwards of fifteen billion dollars. Roger Goodell has predicted that football would be a twenty five billion dollar industry within a decade. So you can see from a business perspective. Look, we don't have to take half the audience or a quarter of the audience. If you just take a few crumbs from that gigantic pie, you could be pretty rich. So I understand why someone would say, hey, what if? Where just a pale copy just a tenth or even a fiftieth football. We could still have an enterprise that makes us a lot of money. The problem is historically. It's been hard to do that. Yeah. I wanna go back. Do you? Remember when you first heard about the USFL? I mean, were you already plugged into football at that point when the USFL made its debut. Yeah. In the early nineteen eighties. I was a big New York Jets fan, which doesn't make that much sense. Because they were that good. Although there was one year strike-shortened year that they had a decent enough team. And I remember Donald Trump who was by then a fixture in New York media and real estate circles and remember him going on the Letterman show and talking about how he took over Eastern Airlines, and it's going to be the Trump shuttle. It just seemed like one of these billionaires or millionaires on the make and he announced plans for USFL team. There were going to be called the generals and the name the name. Donald Trump wasn't the most associated name with the generals who was was her. Herschel Walker the great perhaps one of the greatest college running backs of all time, he joins the generals. And if you wanna watch a great college Heisman Trophy running back. He was the only way to watch it. And there were a lot of is on Herschel Walker Brian Sipe who was a former Cleveland Browns. Very good NFL quarterback who we hired to be on the team. And the the roster of the generals was a decent roster a plausible. They wouldn't have won five games in the NFL. But I don't think they would have gone over sixteen. So we put together a very interesting watchable product as did a few of the other owners at the time is funny. You should mention Herschel Walker because I was growing up in Georgia at the time, and you can imagine, you know, you have this Heisman Trophy winner who put UGA on the map in many respects. I mean, it just made it a championship team. And you wanted to you just expected that he would be going to the NFL. L and when the USFL scooped him up what a surprise. And I remember feeling both a sense of letdown that maybe I wouldn't get to watch him, you know, in this new league. But also a sense that something new and exciting was about to happen spring football. I mean, that's crazy. You know? And I unless memory is doesn't serve it seems like Herschel Walker jumped to the USFL before he could have jumped to the NFL because of the rules. Do you remember any of that? I think that back then there was a restriction against underclass men coming to the NFL. Yeah. USFL did away with all of that. In fact, I think the USFL was pretty much open to anyone joining their league there were pirate type organization, but you also have to realize the early seasons of the USFL. It was only fifteen years removed from the AFL, and what the AFL did was they took another exciting southern player and brought him to a New York team. And that. Was Joe Nemeth playing for the jets? And so and that was my team and that was a model of an upstart league. They were a fall football league. But an upstart league challenging the establishment and winning and becoming absorbed into the NFL. And then even more recently than that, the ABA which was the the organization that challenged the NBA, and it was more exciting, and they add multicolored balls, and they had three point shooting and many of their team's got absorbed into the NBA. So this idea especially in the early eighties before football became this culturally. Dominant juggernaut I would say back then by the way baseball was the national sport this idea that you couldn't possibly challenge the NFL. It's not true. Maybe in retrospect, it seems true. But a good business plan could have and a lot of people in retrospect, look back and say, in fact would have challenged the NFL establish that USFL as lead to be reckon with. So why didn't the USFL become a part of the NFL? L as as Donald Trump wished that it had. I mean, obviously he wanted to have an NFL team in part of his strategy was to get ownership of the generals. Yes. And I think and this is this is mostly going by the accounts that have been written the ESPN documentary books on the NFL. And maybe it relies on the great man or the infamous man of history little too much. But the answer is Donald Trump. It seems because Donald Trump just like he was a guy from queens who always looked at Manhattan is looking down on him and wanted to be part of the senior circuit in Manhattan. I think looked at the fact that the US was spring football. And he couldn't live with that. He wanted to directly challenge the NFL and a lot of other owners, maybe without the economic wherewithal to oppose him said this was a bad idea there. We have a plan if we stick to this plan we can make money in the future. But it's very important that where spring league and Donald Trump said no Donald Trump says we're going head to head because he couldn't. Be second best. And you also engaged in a court fight simultaneously as he brought the US fell into the fall. And that just ruined it. There was no way to compete head to head with the NFL. But that's just it. Right. I mean, if in fact Trump's idea that the USFL would be absorbed into the NFL like the AFL with what you were just talking about early. If that had happened. It could have been a gold mine for certainly for all the owners, and who knows how many other football fans in some of the smaller cities, for example, this is I guess I wonder why it hasn't happened. And when you consider what's going on right now, you have the XFL you have the alliance of American football. Which is you know, just just getting off the ground. Now. I mean is this basically given the NFL's position in sports and business today is it basically game where you can't really take on the NFL head to head. It's always going to be about trying to. To get a foot into the door with the hope of getting absorbed somehow by by the leviathan. Yes, I do think. So. And I think that there's a very real impractical concern with just in terms of salaries, and this is not true for a couple reasons with the USF L, but just in terms of salaries you can't pay players more than the NFL. Can I suppose none? Neither of these two new leagues can do. So I suppose you could imagine a league founded by billionaires that wouldn't mind burning
"usfl" Discussed on The Russillo Show
"If that's what it takes for me to get in Roselle is dumbfounded who the hell. Does. He think he is. You can't just demand. Manned be let in Roselle turns to leave. He could just walk out. But he's having a physical reaction to this, man. And so he pauses Mr. trial as long as I or my heirs are involved in the NFL. You will never be a franchise owner. Donald Trump is undeterred. He wants a National Football League franchise, and he will do whatever it takes at six in principle. Be damned to land one. From wondering, I'm David Brown. And this is business or. In our new six part series USFL versus NFL we drop in on a time before the National Football League was a seventy five billion dollar juggernaut back when it owned not just Sunday afternoons but Sunday nights and Monday night and Thursday nights. This was a time before the lead performer of the Super Bowl halftime show is deemed international news before Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes. Odell Beckham were household names back to a brief span in the early to mid nineteen eighties. When an upstart spring league, the USFL came along and tried to spike football on the NFL's own turf. It started a high stakes competition that involved stealing players taking over markets and desperately trying to change the face and feel of America's most popular sport. This is episode one birth of. League. Now here in twenty nineteen it's hard to imagine a rival entity causing the NFL, much stress. As of this moment to new football leagues, the XFL and the alliance of American football are planning launches within the next year. The NFL is responding like a lion with a flea landing atop its main even with its issues. The NFL is the biggest show on the planet and untouchable sports. Monolith. August seven nine thousand nine hundred sixty one it's a steamy day in New Orleans and local businessman. David Dixon is pissed. He slams down the phone. He can't believe what he's just heard from the NFL's treasurer the league's chosen Minneapolis as the location for its next team. Minneapolis this past to be joke. Clinches fists. The feeling of frustration is familiar by now, though Dixon is just thirty seven. He spent the past decade trying to land an NFL franchise in his hometown of New Orleans to Dixit a football team takes a city from the minor leagues to the majors. It means. You don't nearly exist on the map, you're a destination. And he was a sure New Orleans would be next Dixon walks into his kitchen whereas wife notices, he's clenching his jaw bad news. They rejected us again. I really don't know how much more this. I can take. Well, there'll always be another chance Willer will there. There Dixon's frustration morphs into anger, and that anger morphs into rebellion. He loves the NFL. But does he really need the NFL? You know, the only reason football is known as a false four because Rutgers and Princeton played the first ever game in the fall. Do you know that those teams had played in the spring football? Probably be a spring sport. Don't you think? So why not a spring football d why wouldn't that work? Mary has no answer two years later in the spring of nineteen sixty three Dixon finally takes action. He flies to LA Hoya California to visit the house of Paul Brown. The legendary Cleveland Browns founder and former head coach. After nearly two decades. He's recently been fired by the franchise. He created Dixon knows. There's no love loss between Brown the NFL. And he also knows Brown is a no nonsense genius. With a football. I q five hundred Dixon's come to sell Brown on his idea, which he's calling the United States football league. I this is David Brown host of business wars. And I hope you enjoyed this little sampler. I'm having so much fun learning about the larger than life characters and the human drama behind
"usfl" Discussed on Business Wars
"Untrue. April fifteenth nineteen eighty four the New York Times runs a story with the headline USFL envisions fall schedule beginning in nineteen eighty seven. The article cites in anonymous source as saying, quote, it's the only logical way for the league to continue. There's virtually no chance it's not going to happen close quote. It's obvious to everyone inside the USFL just who provided that. And though his fellow USFL owners are aware of Trump's antics. They feel increasingly paralyzed by his efforts. He's loud. He's bombastic. He's bullying his wealthy. He owns the headlines. His New Jersey-based team big market. Major TV numbers is a market. The USFL can't do without USFL owners are constantly walking on eggshells before long their mantra morphs from we're a spring league into maybe we're a spring league to we're likely moving to fall. Finally in August of nineteen Eighty-four after the second season is ended the handful of owners with enough guts to take on Trump decide to construct a blockade or you could say concrete wall. Four six hundred thousand dollars the USFL commissions, the management consultant firm McKinsey and company they want the agency to produce a lengthy and detailed study on the demographics of switching to a fall schedule. Most of the owners are certain results will scream unambiguously do not switch seasons and go head to head with the NFL and lo and behold the results scream unambiguously do not switch seasons and go head to head with the NFL. It would after all be suicide. August twenty first nineteen Eighty-four the Hyatt Regency hotel in Chicago. The USFL's owners are gathered inside a conference room to finally hear the results of the McKenzie study yesterday the New York Times ran yet. Another Trump generated peace with the headline USFL set for fall play in eighty six the league's chiefs collectively grown Trump sits next to his peers, totally comfortable with the preposterous headline that seems to hover over them MacKenzie executive share and Patrick stands before the table and unloads our studies show spring football can work, and you original ideas, untraditional markets, fun promotions regional alliances. It's so smart. It really is. But you lack unity. You don't have a common goal and these stories talking about fall or not helping thanks to all the sniping. Inflicting headlines. Nobody seems to trust the USFL's long-term sustainability many in the room nodded agreement. It's a painful truth that makes sense John Bassett the owner of the Tampa Bay bandits jumps in. So what are you suggesting is pretty simple, you need to stay in spring and establish credibility at least for the nine hundred eighty five and nineteen Eighty-six seasons, and perhaps even longer then after enough time, maybe you'll be strong enough to switch seasons. But not until then any questions she looks around trying to make I contact with the owners who sheepishly looked down route the window. She waits and waits and waits. Not a word spoken. Donald Trump arms crossed is scowling at her. After some polite. Thanks in handshakes. Patrick leaves Trump stands up slamming his fist into the table bullshit. This report is bullshit. And I'll tell you what if you all want to stick with spring. You're gonna do it without me. He pauses looking around the room. The fall is where it's at we've been talking to the different networks, and they love the idea of televising are games. But only in the fall the season of football. This of course, is ally. Trump stands before the room and gets ready to deliver his Khuda gross in two years. This league has lost sixty million dollars sixty million that number is accurate, but it's what founder, David Dixon. Always predicted. Starting a new sports league means losing dollars before making dollars. The next day. The USFL owners decide to officially vote on the league's future. Will it remain in spring presumably without a Big Apple based team and its famous owner or will it go on a fall suicide mission sitting around the conference table again. They vote by secret paper ballot. One by one the men fill out slips of paper and deposit them into of all things a hat. It's a simple question should the US F L move to fall. Chet simmons. The once mighty Commissioner whose power is all but gone gathers the votes in reach them up. One for fall to fall. Three four fall one four spring. The USFL's fate is sealed. All but for the owners support the move the majority either believe Trump's promises or feel pressured by him Tampa Bay bandits owner, John Bassett is equal parts dumbfounded and outraged after the meeting he corners Trump. You just kill the US F L A hope he realized that Trump's smiles widely. It's all part of his plan. When Roselle learns of the USFL's decision to relocate seasons. He wastes no time telling his legions what will happen next. He calls an emergency meeting in his office with his top deputies. They're gonna sue us. It's a definite Roselle is convinced. The USFL will argue that the NFL has monopolized fall football television, thereby eliminating the USFL's opportunity to compete. The USFL will almost certainly argue that it's a violation of the Sherman antitrust act of eighteen ninety a violation of that law. And this is important triples all damages one in court if we lose a big decision. We're permanently wounded. A few weeks later, Roselle writes, a letter to Simmons and leaks to myriad media outlets. The note has nothing to do with Commissioner to Commissioner communication and everything to do with mounting an early defense Roselle wants to intimidate the USFL to let Simmons and company know that the National Football League can see what's really happening. Up to this moment. The NFL has held back in fully going after the USFL they've been afraid of getting sued. But now Roselle initiates a conference call with the owners. He's changed his tune. It's time to stop being nice. If they wanna fight will give them a fight. On October eighteenth nineteen Eighty-four Bill McSherry. The United States Football League's general council heads to the United States district court of New York in his briefcase is thirty nine page complaint. The suit accuses the NFL and Roselle of monopolistic practices believes exclusive arrangement with the three major networks. ABC NBC and CBS effectively makes it impossible for rival leagues to exist. The argument goes the USFL is seeking damages of four hundred and forty million dollars. Thanks to the Sherman anti-trust act that number will automatically snowball to one point three two billion Roselle is furious. He knew it was coming but still one point three two billion dollars. The number itself is bonkers. Interestingly USFL Commissioner Chet Simmons feels the same way. Simmons has been marginalized by Trump's outsized role in decision making at this point. He's got one foot out the door. He steals a page from Trump's book and turns to the media for cover holding a press conference. Where the victim of a bully. The NFL is trying to deny us a place at the table. All we want is to be treated fairly all in all the USFL, toners and executives feel the lawsuit goes over. Well, and the news media case could certainly be made that the NFL worked to snuff out all rivals. Meanwhile, the USFL even with its financial losses, even with some team relocations enfranchise deaths clearly brought forth a quality product, the USFL might not be quite on par with the NFL. But it isn't all that far away that night McSherry the USFL's general counsel sleeps soundly, then he wakes up the next morning to hell. Donald Trump is about to take full control of the USFL's lawsuit by bringing in. Old diabolical friend.
"usfl" Discussed on Business Wars
"January nineteen Eighty-four the NFL's Manhattan offices. The most powerful man in American sports sits alone at his desk. A lit cigarette bellowing smoke rests on an ashtray and steam rises from a hot Cup of coffee, but Commissioner Pete Rozelle, ignores both in his media, Hans is a forty six page document the cover reads spending, the USFL dollar this better. Be good Roselle. Thanks, hell, we paid a Harvard. Professor big bucks for it. The professors assignment tell the NFL how to end this annoying USFL problem. Roselle looks toward the door which is open just a sliver. He barks to his secretary stationed outside. No calls. No interruptions. I need an hour of alone time. Okay. Mr. Roseau, he turns to the first page, which features a single quotation plucked. From sun, sues military strategic epic the art of war. He reads the line allowed to conquer the enemy without resorting. To war is the most desirable. Interesting. As he flips the pages Roselle fields, his shoulders, relaxing, his jaw unclench ING pure bliss point by point the business. Professor explains how the NFL can take a samurai sword to the head of the USFL and end this so-called rival league once and for all. Roselle reaches for his phone and excitement in calls, his close friend. Art Modell who owns the Cleveland Browns, aren't I've just gotten the Harvard report on how we're going to take down the USFL. It's brilliant Roselle thumbs through the pages. He's marked up. Listen to this send undesirable players to the USFL any that are problem players or overvalued smart that helps on a few fronts, and then we encourage the US fell to unionize steal their biggest stars. These are pretty bowl suggestions, there's more. We move up our college draft in order to compete with the USFL's draft. They thought they had that one over on us not so fast Roselle rattles on listing tactic. After tactic to bring down the USFL. Normally reserved Roselle is giddy. A few weeks later, sixty five NFL executives gather inside a large New York City conference room to hear a presentation on the report afterward as the men leave the room they laugh and slap each other's backs with enthusiasm for far too long. The NFL has kicked back in wash the USFL take its best shot. Now, it's time for the bully to take action. Now, it's time to swing away. Thanks to grammar -ly for supporting business wars. You want to inspire confidence the people around you. Right. I know I do one way. I make sure I'm putting my best foot forward is by using grammar. -ly grammar Lii is a communication tool that helps people improve their writing. So it's mistake free clear and effective essentially, it's a writing assistant that makes you look and sound smarter. Whether you're at school work or putting together your neighborhood newsletter. Grammar lease Gotcha covered. 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We learn Donald Trump's real reason for purchasing a USFL team to use the new league to land himself in NFL franchise talking his way into the exclusive league hasn't worked. So Trump has a new strategy. This is episode five The Empire Strikes back. Trump. Decides is next best shot for getting into the NFL is to get the USFL to shift from playing in the spring to the fall that way, the USFL will directly challenge the NFL. He's convinced this will force the NFL to either merge with a USFL or to gobble up USFL franchises, including his own. Trump tells his fellow USFL owners that the NFL is terrified of them. And he's right. The USFL has signed away the last two Heisman Trophy winners and has stolen dozens of NFL stars. The new league's willingness to throw around dollars has blown up. Pro football's once steady salary structure and the USF L's action packed games. Make the NFL appear stale. Through sheer will bullying and ceaseless lies and exaggerations Trump gains unusual level of power in the USFL. His fellow owners. Give him the green light to negotiate a new TV deal undermining the role of Commissioner Simmons. Trump takes his new authority and runs with it. Ki- creates pretend publicist named John barren to hype up the USFL's interest in moving to fall baron is in fact, Donald Trump with disguised voice. He spends his days calling newspapers John barren, I'm a publicist working for Donald Trump. I love your work. So I wanted to give you early access to a good story this Mr. Trump has big plans for the US fell. And the involve a move to fall in a direct battle with the NFL. You can use Muzorewa's, but not by name k and I. I can probably get Mr. Trump on the phone for an interview to if if you like interesting, if Trump can confirm this that would be great. Thanks, John new problem. I'll have Mr. Trump called you within the hour. Donald Trump's next move is to reach out to the reporter. He said John barren said she call you what were you guys talking about? Well, John, and I spoke just on background. And he said fall is looking more and more likely I want to speak for John. But I can't disagree. The next day readers. Learn about the USFL's increasingly inevitable move to fall and the news has to be true, right because it's bolstered by on the record quotations from Donald Trump as well. As an anonymous source Chicago White Sox owner Eddie Einhorn gets in on the action to he's interested in buying the USFL's, new windy city franchise, and he's a pal of Trump's together. Trump and Einhorn spend a lot of time calling network executives one by one gauging their interest in televising fall. United States football. Removing the fall would you put our games on TV? The network executive doesn't have time to beat around the Bush. Now why not because there's another league in the fall? It's called the NFL. Trump tells the other owners that ABC will pay thirty million dollars double what it's paying now. If the league moves to the fall his claim is completely untrue.
"usfl" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"John fast. We'll be standing by with another update here in about twenty minutes. With the debut and launch of the alliance of American football tonight. There's been an unexpected that celebration, but just appreciation for its debut is that just a one night stand will be a love affair with another pro league because nobody's been able to have any long Javadi USFL, the XFL the first go around NFL Europe arena football had a shot. And I really thought the NFL was good in on that. But I think the NFL is better fit for a true partner. If not one day owning. The alliance of American football. So just tell me is there room for another pro football league, and you're sporty life one eight five five two one two four CBS. That's one eight five five two one two four two two seven had Saturday. Huge on Twitter, Saturday night healed show Facebook several join me in the last segment, I'll get to the callers in a moment. But one thing about this new alliance football league, no extra points, you go for to no kickoffs. No onside kicks, but if down seventeen or more you can have a fourth and twelve from your own twenty eight and go for it. And if you don't get it then the team takes over at your twenty eight and they're in host to the red zone. They also. Cut down the game by thirty minutes. There's no TV timeouts. They do the split screen. So no extra points over time from the ten kind of like high school over time used to be. And also the sky judge, which is just the one that pulses. The minute. I read the rules about nine o'clock tonight. I'm like, the sky judge. He can overrule he's at the stadium at the game. He's in a video booth, but he can overrule any officials calls that is fantastic. So what one out of the new rules with the alliance for the NFL? Adopt immediately. One eight five five two one two four CBS. That's one eight five five two one two four two two seven and Saturday huge on Twitter, Saturday night Hugues show on Facebook. Now, let's go to David in Texas. Thanks to the weight. You're on the Saturday night healed show. Huge. Thanks for taking my phone. Call. Coming your producer actually watch the game from start to finish cannot and I enjoyed it. And I like some of the rule changes you mentioned like this not be timeouts the split screen. But I think this is going to give a lot of people. Walk -tunities, plenty of football. I'm sure the manufacturers the equipment company gonna love this is just going to give a lot more people. Besides the football players coaches trainers, another opportunity pursuing their passionate here each but long story short enjoyed the game on CBS did a great coverage on it tonight. Well, what did you like about it? What what surprised you about watch of the alliance of American football and their debuted tonight. David there in Texas where you're like, I didn't expect to like this part of it. I guess for me, the simple basic coverage Kurt warning, forget the girl's name. She's a very pretty girl. That was very direct, you know, just focused on the game. There's no TV timeouts. I like thirty five second play clock. It was kind of quick pace. It's just basic football. This kind of really I Don. Like, I said watch from start to finish. And I really enjoyed it. Huge. We'll take David appreciate the huge opinion down in Texas. One common theme that I've heard tonight and on air with the callers in discussing this. We've had wonderful conversation. And also on the social networks the pace for football. Not only to replace until the final two minutes each coach has to challenges. No commercials. Commercials. Do the split screen, right? Is that you're here in the NFL? You know is the big boy on the block because. The only true pro football league in America in the biggest sport. Right. TV ratings astronomical cheese. Patriots over fifty three million people watch right Super Bowl. Even though it's one of the lowest in the last ten years still mega numbers, but the pace all the replace. Timeouts are part of it. When networks are paying billions of dollars. So we'll take your huge opinions. One eight five five two one two four CBS. That's one eight five five two four two two seven at Saturday huge on Twitter and Saturday night. He'll show Facebook Quigley out and beautiful New Mexico here on CBS sports radio. Good evening, sir. I really enjoy all yourself. Thank you. I I like the idea of the schedule I think would. Tastic and whether it would have made a difference for the New Orleans game or not remains to be seen. But no, I don't have room for another football team. Oh, I don't even watch the NFL. I just listen to it on the radio, but great show, and you just keep up the great work. Thank you quickly out in New Mexico. Some tweets coming in Frankie five angels says are was a great league was the USO fell. Look what happened to them. They tried to steal the talent. And then they didn't have owners on the same page. And I think this alliance, you know, the XFL I think as ESPN ABC they're going to line up. They're gonna go head-to-head. They're gonna talk about their marketing arms and unless the XFL brings big-name star power. I don't think they'll be able to compete with the alliance. That's just my guess if you look at it. I just I think the XFL will have to go with the star power. A little boy wonder. Tweets. I loved it. Prey sin. Tweets. XFL has the coach talking about. Stoops and ESPN Kevin sends a tweet in regards to our huge question of the night is a room for another pro football league in your life. If you watch the alliance of American football, af what were your first impressions, Kevin tweets out, Saturday, huge. I really thought that for the first game out the af put out a pretty good product on the field. That's what seems to be the theme. Patty. Moore is listening in New Orleans Louisiana with the most obvious tweet. Definitely like the sky judge. Yeah. There you go. With the saints fans. You can join us on air one eight five five two one two four CBS. That's one eight five two one two four two two seven. Tweet said Saturday huge. It was okay. Gives me something to watch bet on the only two I can see the NFL. I think you say it is a sky judge and the no kickoffs. But the kickoffs don't ruin games. So definitely the sky judge. Yeah. I think everybody I've talked to tonight. And everybody on the social networks. The sky judge is a no brainer for the NFL. Judge overrules a referee court systems right referees. Try and work it out. He both sides happy. If they can't they go to the judge. That is an F L should start that immediately. But again, try and get a rules competition committee try and get on the same page. That never will happen. Giles on air tweets from Grand Rapids. Michigan listening on an thirteen forty two ticket. You have is on. That's what the cool kids are watching. Look at the competition, though that you have now. And this is what baseball's doing with all these out of nowhere rules, and we're gonna try a run around I in the minor leagues. And now universal D H, which I think the D H is long overdue of the National League should do it. But again trying to get everybody on the same page when you have billionaires is almost impossible until their until they're bleeding money. But talking about lowering the mound or they don't want the pitchers. You know, just facing a batter that you may have to face a minimum. You know, we talk about rolls at the NFL could add I don't think the NFL even with a concussion, they're not close to being extinct, and I wouldn't go as far to say that baseball is close to being extinct, but I will tell you that baseball is in a perilous position. In terms of losing their stature in this country. And I think that's what rob Manfred doing because out of nowhere. We find out while they're looking at these possible roles they want to get public reaction. They're so concerned about the young audience and the millennials. And the game of baseball. That they're trying to find some way to connect make the game faster. Think about everything they're talking about right? You've had the the pitch clock that they want to limit pitching changes. Right. That they want to increase speed because of television now not the game experience. When you go to baseball game man, when it's nice weather or even if it's a little chilly. Oh, it's pouring rain it stinks. And he can't wait to get out of there. But I don't care if you're at a ballpark the minor league play somewhere in the midwest league in Wisconsin, Iowa Michigan or you're at a you're at Fenway or you're a stadium wherever you're at. Camden Yards in Baltimore. And you get a great day. You don't care about the speed of the game. Have you ever sat at a baseball game? Outside of your kids. Like when the pitcher can't get across a play. And there's like eighteen million walks. You said to yourself I can't wait for that game. Then. But if you're a baseball fan who grew up with the tradition of the game. Whether you've played it or you've been to a game any game. You're watching a fan. I don't think I've ever felt the need to hurry up this over with a striking. And now we've seen today in sports, the NFL eighty million reviews. College basketball, they're going to go into the monitor. They're gonna go the monitor ten times in the last two minutes, and we're like just ended. And it kills the flow. And something about baseball, man. When you're having a. A cold drink and adult beverage some food on the sun is set. And it's a gorgeous day. That's wrapping up. You're not hoping that it ends. You don't want to rush through it. Maybe you're in L A, and you want to be traffic or New York. Again, you want to get to the subway. Rob Manfred what they're trying to force feed here by changing the speed of the game or changing the rules of the game. To me. We'll be catastrophic with baseball because I get what you're saying that the. Forty five. Fifty fifty five is sixty five year old guy. Is your bread and butter? Go To's on the younger generation is locked in on fortnight, and soccer and UFC and you're not gonna get into that game. So you're trying to think well, if we speed it up the young kids will start watching or the neutral sports fan. We'll become part. Of our next generation of major league baseball fans. Well. Well, now, if you if you make the game different, and I think that's a debate that the NFL goes through with the kickoffs. In a new league. Like, the alliance of American football can change it. You can watch it and say, you know, that's not that bad. Remember the uproar in their ad and the three point line odds taken away for the tradition of the game. And look at baseball still battling tradition. National League pitchers are still heading. The DA seems like a no brainer. But you get tradition. Well, what other sports, you know, finally had some golf rules changes, right? But when you have football is there football tradition where? Yeah, the kickoff is great starting. It's to me what I could live with his you kick off to start a game. You kick off at half-time kind of signals the start of the first half the start of the second half. And then I could go to the rule with no kickoffs. After scoring I could live without no PAT's and you go for two. I love the rule of thumb down seventeen or more. I get a fourth and twelve if I choose that option as a head coach, I love only two challenges. I think you I I love the sky judge. I think this guy judge would eliminate so much in the NFL. So when our final hour together, you can answer are huge questions of the night is a room for another professional football league in your life. If there's one rule that the NFL should change that might be a model from night one of the alliance of American football. What would it be you agree with me on sky judges or another rule that could change easily and a wouldn't affect your love of the game? And then I wanna get the baseball fans in what should baseball do right now to grab that younger audience. We'll tell you on the rules of the game coming up in our final hour. You can join us live at one eight five five two one two four CBS. That's one eight five five two one two four two two seven at Saturday. Huge. Twitter and Saturday night he'll show on Facebook. So all the callers online, I promise North America will hear your huge opinions next. Stick around one our.
"usfl" Discussed on KQED Radio
"But paradoxically there's one constituency that has reason to be somewhat less than happy. Who's that? The ownership. Here's something important to know about the National Football League. And the other big American sports leagues every team in every league, of course, wants to win. But they don't have to win to be financially successful consider the NFL. The league is essentially a coalition of the thirty two teams the Commissioner serves at the owners behest and promotes their interests. It is essentially a cartel with membership by invitation only unlike the big soccer leagues around the world. There is no promotion into or relegation out of American sports leagues. Unlike corporations these leagues don't face much real competition from upstarts arrivals. So first of all we see the league's pretty actively try to crush their competition. That again is the sports economist Victor, Matheson, we had the NFL drive the US fell out of out of business in one thousand nine hundred five at least partially various means. Partially through fairly incompetent. Management of the US afoul, probably led most by the owner of the New Jersey USFL team. Of course, Donald Trump. You might think an economist would oppose this lack of competition, you might think he'd consider this behavior, downright collusive sports is really interesting in that you actually need some level of collusion between teams just to make the product work. Right. So this is not this is not apple and Samsung, right? Apple really does want to drive Samsung out of business, so they can grab the whole mobile phone market. And Samsung wants to do the same thing to apple but the New York Yankees don't want to drive. The Boston Red Sox out of business because they need someone to play and you need to figure out how you're going to run your league. So that you can make a good entertaining product, the NFL's product is certifiably, entertaining, and therefore certifiably lucrative importantly, this lucre is equally shared among the thirty two teams. Local revenues vary. But every team gets a one thirty-second of the national revenue that includes money from TV rights sponsorships licensing and merchandise sales. Last year, the NFL's total national revenue was more than eight billion dollars with each team receiving more than two hundred and fifty million a lot of that money will get paid out in player salaries for the two thousand eighteen season. There's a salary cap of one hundred and seventy seven point two million dollars per team and owners have to spend at least one hundred and fifty seven point seven million dollars. But don't forget there are local revenues coming in as well including ticket sales and that two hundred and fifty million dollar check from the league, that's your share. Whether you win every game half, your games or none..
"usfl" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"What was the alcohol consumption and drug use like in the USFL enormous enormous Birmingham Stein's name Chuck Clinton? Here's a safety came out of Auburn. You told me they played a game in San Antonio. They were much better team. And he said the night before like eighty percent of teamer snorting coke, and they showed up and they got killed then my favorite guys, Richard Johnson. Who later played with the Detroit Lions use a receiver for the Houston gamblers. He's the smoke a joint before every game. That was part of it is on the way you'd be smart. And that was his thing. And he was a great year one hundred ten catches first. Here's he was great while you had a team in the Vince Corval who wasn't as good a receiver. Nice guy. And he sees Richard Johnson smoking joints. And he's works for him. He's never smoked pot before he starts smoking a joint before the game. He gets on the field. He's overcome by paranoia. No way, right? If smoking and I'm not a guy that bake some judge. I just don't do it. But I know the paranoia something comes along with it to you. How could you be playing football even at that level? If you're paranoid and gosh, looking at knock, you the hell out while the coaches think other coaches, so the coaches were there was one coach would check on him every game and be like you Medicated today. Okay. We're good. They would smell another teammates that he would smell it coming out of his hotel room. And be like, all right. We're going to be Richard's can be good today. They did that astray offensive line coaching. Bob young played for a long time with the cardinals and Bob young didn't just want guys you storage. He insisted if you do not. You're not you're not playing on the offensive line. And he would force the guys, right? Jeff Romans, Mike gas. The book is called football for a Bach is out right now. All right, Jeff. So we literally split right through that entire segment. We're out of time. We didn't even talk about Donald Trump. Is there any way that you want to stay overnight? You know, we don't do this in the jungle. Do you wanna stay over and do one more segment? I love the show. Let's do it. All right. Yup. Romans in studio. I could not get all of it. I tried to go rapid fire. But that's how much good content. There is in this book. And that's how awesome that league was the USFL. The book is called football for a buck. Jeff Pearlman wrote it he took less money to write this book. It's been a labor of love. He wanted to get it done. He's been talking about it for years and years and years it's now out in he's in studio. Let me do this. I can't promise you that. I'll take a telephone call but all up and we'll see one eight hundred six three six eight six eight six Donald Trump played a role with the USFL had a role in the demise of the USFL. I want to get into that and more. And also if you buy this book, you may get something in return other than great reading all that coming up one bonus segment ep- Roman when we return. Elite athletes. No, you can't be the best until you have beaten the best. If you want to compete at the highest level, you have to be strong and stay strong Castrol edge. It is strongest full synthetic motor oil it's engineered with fluid titanium technology to reduce power robbing friction and maximize engine performance. Castrol edge reduces friction engine can perform at its highest level. It's not only strong. It's three times stronger than the leading full synthetic against viscosity breakdown as tested in the Kurt Orban test Castrol edge stronger under pressure or Castrol edge. Welcome to Jimmy John's high your new nine weeks of so good. How do you make it the highest quality ingredients in love? I mean, we definitely don't sing lullabies what parents sing to babies, and we don't use a baby carrier to carry the warm fresh nine green wheat subs to the cooling Rex. I mean, they're not babies different making delicious sandwiches. Okay. I'll take a Turkey. Tom. Don't.
"usfl" Discussed on The Tom Leykis Show
"So. You wouldn't even know of someone took a knee. You would know, and I didn't know either. So why would you let that interfere with enjoying whatever part of the game? You might still enjoy. Yeah. That's true. But I'm saying, you know, you get you get to the point where you see the Nike ads and the controversy with Colin Kaepernick and all that other stuff. And so, you know, you sit there you sit through the commercials. Well, yeah. Or I go up. That's when you get a bear. I mean, I I don't know why you would let that bother you. Who cares? Yeah. Okay. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. But yeah, go ahead. Sorry. And if it bothers Donald Trump, I'm all in favor. Yeah. And I I will put to you. I think the reason why Donald Trump is still so bitter is because he is sailed USFL football owner Kuwait allowed into the NFL. That's right. He couldn't care less about the national anthem or veterans or did you see it with nine eleven. This. The the nine eleven site in Pennsylvania. Did you see that? Yeah. I didn't see it today. What what did he do fist pumps what he was arriving pumping his fists? He just hit the game winning home run. You know, what I get queasy thing? You're offended by football players getting on one knee, by the way, Tim tebow. He's one needed. You. Did you get upset at that? Yeah. Yeah. I did. Football because of it. No. No, you didn't. Good points. Tom. I I, you know, I I will say you are one of the best arguers there is. I mean, you you just take it to that point. So I'm not gonna sit there and argue with you. So it's, but you you made those points, and I can't I cannot defend my position. So I I will sit there and say, but back to other things a good example would be I don't really watch the NFL in October because I don't want to see everything and pink and breath away. Now, you know what I agree with you on that. Although if the Rams were playing an important game against the say, the Seahawks or some other team the batter to them. I'll I'll grit my teeth into live through it. I won't say any money I won't buy any pink merchandise. Never definitely. It's an important game. I'm gonna watch it. No matter what. Yeah. And I you know, what back back to my thing. What you're saying? Is it just me? Or is it, you know, we've become too obsessed with like who buys these teams and how much they pay and it's like anything else being acquired nowadays are doing it through deficit financing. And I mean, that's the money money talk Monday Monday, Monday topic. But then, you know, the cost has passed through to us consumer through the price of the admission the parking and the concessions. I most cities the price of the stadium construction because LA is one of the few places in America. Where we refuse to pay for stadiums and arenas. We review so Dodger Stadium privately owned. The new ram stadium will be privately owned staple center is privately owned. You know in New York. The Mets and the Yankees got new ballparks the same year paid for by the tax payers. That's ridiculous. That's insanity. Yeah. And I can tell you that in my opinion, a lot of people in Oakland are illiterate. And reason why is because they had to channel money that would go for the schools and the infrastructure to the sports teams. That's just my opinion. But it's true. It's not just an opinion. It's a fact. So. That's the reason why and I'm just saying for me at least for myself this time in my life. I find I can entertain myself better than whatever I I think back twenty years ago, and there was this job called programmer for for networks network programming. And now you and I we have the power to control and selectively choose what we want, and that's the whole I think empowerment process that that's changed. Everything is that you Tibo everything and skip to the commercials, and I spent a lot of time watching YouTube, and and you know, it's funny..
"usfl" Discussed on Chicago's Business Authority
"Twit holding not on us cowherd. The best for laughs New York Times bestselling author several of the most readable consumable football books in my lifetime. Boys will be boys. The gunslinger his name is Jeff Pearlman? He has written a new book about the USFL that has absolutely fascinating. If you are too young or in your twenties. You just don't understand that USFL. I know you're not gonna make as much as you would make an account by Booker afar. Book. This is a labor of love for you. It is a fascinating league. Let's start with this the best player ever in the USFL. Was I'm to go Reggie White. If you're taking all time, Reggie White. But you had Jim Kelly. Young Sam bills. So people understand this. How many players that played in the USFL went to the NFL? And we're good players where you have more than two hundred players overall who went to the NFL from the US as we'll say Joe Brant from the Cowboys at the time. Yeah. Said there's no more than twelve guys. We're going to make the NFL out of the USFL. That's what he said. How many pro bowlers pro bowlers? I don't know four hall of famers so four guys who play me USFL became hall of famers in the NFL. Now, they're so Steve Young was in it. And Jim Kelly was in it. I don't remember the specifics, but they met in one of the wildest pro football games ever is the greatest game nobody ever saw Ralph Wiley, psychotic. I don't remember the the final score there about LA calcium ninety thousand capacity. There may be six thousand fans watching this game. Jim Kelly letty comeback where they scored four touchdowns in about seven minutes in this crazy baba they combined for thousand yards passing. It was one of the greatest games ever. Steve Young and Kelly still talk about it when they talk or get together a thousand yards passing. So when you when you look at this league you had some high profile stars. I remember watching it. I remember Herschel Walker. Herschel walker. I think didn't he have a profound game or a year nineteen Eighty-four Hearst. Nobody knows Herschel Walker blogs in the pro football hall of fame. Don't care. Anyone says if you remember him for the Viking trade. Nineteen eighty-five USFL still holds the single season rushing record twenty four eleven yards in a single season single four hundred rushing yards. He was amazing in the USFL. Can I can I You Tube and watch the stuff? Yes. Charlie Sanders during the call the voice of the generals. So this is the voice of the generals. Oh my God. So you you generally, you're one of these guys you'll interview eight hundred people. Yeah. Okay. So this league had tuned now I contend it's the greatest league in America. Sports league. Didn't work the quality of offense. Many things were adopted by the NFL. Oh, yeah. The run-and-shoot came out of Jim Kelly in the Houston gamblers mouse Davis was a coach got Jim. Let me tell you how they got Jim Kelly real quick us in the office of the Buffalo Bills about sign with the bills. He did not want to go there. He told them not to draft 'cause he was from. He he played at Miami Miami. And he's in the office really glam about it, all and George Allen. Who is the general Bruce Allen who's a general manager at age twenty five? The Chicago blitz. Lies calls the bills offices because he found out Kelly was there and says he is a relative of Kelly's agent, and there's a family emergency gets him on the phone and says, I know Jim doesn't want to play their you know, Jim doesn't want to play their get out of there. And we'll take care of him. He leaves. He goes and meets with Jerry arguments owner of the Houston gamblers and signs of the gamblers two weeks later. USFL was stealing sorrow players. Now, the reason this league now, here's what I remember. Jeff Pearlman joining us the new book is called. I got it here football for a buck the crazy rise and crazier demise of the USFL. Here's what I remember. I remember watching it. I was an NFL college. But I remember watching the games on two networks. What I remember was they they expanded really fast because I remember liking the helmets and liking the uniforms, and I was like, ooh this league, Tennessee. And all of a sudden there were a bunch of new teams is that why they folded it's one of the big reasons I panicked because each team is gonna have to pay six million into the pot. So, but all of a sudden, you have the Oklahoma outlaws and the San Antonio gunslingers with owners or can't afford the bills. Okay. The gunslingers. They're the best player was their quarterback. Rick new highs. Oh, yes. And yet from UCLA. Yes. And you highs tells a lot of stories about the checks starting to bounce so much that. After practices. I'm payday. The players are rushed a freer Texas to cash their cheques because only the first five or six cash and the rest of balance. I worked at a broadcasting company like Jeff Pearlman joining us. Now, there's a lot of Trump in the book, obviously, because he was you know, this brash, New York real estate guy, a younger Donald Trump. And he he always wanted to own an NFL team. And I think he kind of saw this is as gateway into it. First of all an I haven't gotten through the book yet. He almost owned the Dallas Cowboys, Donald he did he likes to say that. He didn't factually untrue. Okay. So it was always Jerry's team. Yes. Okay. Give me the story on because there's always been this Trump NFL USFL. There's a sense that. In fact, I've seen documentaries on this that Trump kind of ended up killing Bill. He sued the NFL tell me the story about the most fascinating Trump story about the USFL. Right. Well when he bought he bought in after one season. Okay. So he bought the team for the eighty four season. Okay. And in the lead up. This is great. I love the US Savell, the US avows awesome. As soon as he is the owner of the generals as soon as he's the owner. I league meeting we need to move to fall. We need to move to fall. Now, we need to take on the NFL directly during this time. Here's a secret meeting at the Pierre hotel in New York with Pete Rozelle NFL Commissioner. Yeah, he pays for the room. Trump does. And he says the Roselle I don't really give a crap about this league. I want an NFL team. What do I have to do to get in? Brazil says. Very bluntly as long as I'm the Commissioner of the NFL as long as my family is affiliated with this league. You're never have a team in the NFL says that very blunt me to him. Trump undeterred as he often is decides USFL needs to sue the NFL for antitrust violations. And we're going to move to volunteer mon- on directly. He leads the lawsuit. People are begging him do not file this lawsuit in New York. You're not gonna win in New York. Jerry arguments. You wanna the gambler says, Texas, which do it in taxes wherever sympathetic judge? No, no, no. They do this lawsuit. Trump is he main witness for the USF l I interviewed one of the jurors. She said he was the most disastrous witness you've ever met, just bragged. He need the USFL the bully when the NFL was supposed to be the bug. The jury comes back, and what the jury decides is you know, what the NFL is violating. The is is dominating TV. They do have a monopoly on TV the US. Correct. However, the US avail is its own worst enemy and the number one guy who's screwing this up is Donald Trump. And she actually told me Donald Trump was on the witness stand staring her down trying to intimidator. Remember this vividly. She painted the scene. So when you want to talk about why they want one dollar giving a dollar, it's because the best thing is Donald Trump is sitting in the courtroom, and the owner of the New York Giants takes out his wallet takes out a dollar Bill and hands it to him. Wow. By the way, the league. I do remember the if it's in your book, the USFL wasn't perfect. There was a steroid issue. Wasn't there? All there's so many jobs in the US about drugs. I mean, the Houston gamblers strength coaches a guy named Bob young who sets his offense in if you don't use steroids. You're not playing for me. Richard Johnson the great wide receiver for the Houston. Gamblers later play for Detroit would smoke a joint before every game. What am I favored stores quick, Vince, korva was a teammate and Richard Johnson's grapevines cordona great. Vince coral told me one game he decided to be like Richard Johnson smoke a joint before game. He'd never smoked pot before. He smokes a joint. He goes out on the field. He's like, why are my hands? So big. The worst game of his life. And never did it again. There was also a player for this league. That chased an owner around with a bat and threatened him. Greg fields big paper. He was a defensive lineman out of grambling. He was good. I he punched his coach John Hayden was the head coach of the express hunched him, John he'll call them in and cut him. And Greg fields punched him. This is the best thing ever the express hired this guy Nelson Marcotte Liberace's bodyguard to be the bodyguard for the express because Greg fields allegedly was calling in death threats to the coach. So this guy Nelson Mercado got a staff of five other guys with him and made their life following Greg fields around the defensive linemen because he punched the coach it was in the newspapers or is everywhere. And in a great US moment, the San Antonio gunslingers needed defensive line help. So they signed Greg fields. Sign him beside him. He goes to San Antonio, San Antonio's owner stops paying the players. So Greg fields day follows him home with a baseball bat to mention to his mansion she was Manson he lived at a place called the magic kingdom with wild animals exported from different after. Nations. I swear to God. Greg fields has a baseball bat in his trunk. He gets out of the car. He walks up to the owner. Clint Bengals he says, I see where you live. You better pay me. Couldn't wait here. He goes inside. He comes back out with a paper bag for ten thousand dollars and says a week good. Greg field says good, and he leaves would would Greg field ever play. Again. No never about me. And my son went to see him at Amman, Sacramento and a food court. And was he he was awesome the best. So this this the book is called football for a buck the crazy rise and crazier demise of the USFL by Jeff promo who's written several incredible books. I really do you. I mean, the NFL baseball the NBA, but we see the big three's been created. And they were getting seventeen thousand do you think in the end the USFL would be good for the NFL? It'd be like a farm system. Right. If a kid didn't want play college, maybe or something I think if if the US have always willing to be that the us. Lavelle wasn't willing to be that. That's the problem. You're you're right. If they stayed in the spring, you may have a leak, by the way, you've got other books that you can still purchase boys will be boys. The Dallas Cowboys Detroit Mun years is an all time. Gunslinger is a fantastic book. You exposed a lot of stuff with Aaron Rodgers who by the way, I love he reminds me a Kevin Durant. He's kind of got rabbit ears a little bit. He's got rabbit ears at you also wrote Showtime of all the books you've written was this the most fun because it was the goofiest easily. And there was a what I dreamed of writing.
"usfl" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI
"W away I Your comfort for. Life Peek behind those were days The United States football league Herschel Walker left the New Jersey generals and signed a five year deal with the Dallas Cowboys on this day in one thousand nine hundred eighty six, did not last five years but had he not left the? USFL to join the NFL he would have never been there. To be traded, to know and once again if, you're a Minnesota Vikings fan. You probably considered that trade the worst trade in. The history of professional sports. You're a Dallas Cowboys fan you consider that trade the greatest trade in. The, history of professional sports, boy, did we excuse me boy did the Cowboys clean Ben Hogan birthday today Ben Hogan won the master's. Twice the US, open four times the British Open, wants and the PGA championship. Twice PGA championship of course one yesterday by Brooks. KEPCO we'll have more on. That in a seven o'clock hour but HOGAN nineteen fifty three was a. Real, good year he won, three, of the four majors Including the, first three so had. Television coverage been around oh like. It is today in nineteen fifty three That, weekend in August. In one thousand nine hundred fifty three would have been great to watch congratulations in well he's passed away now we lost Ben Hogan in nineteen Ninety-seven economic. Growth in Texas blistering in the first, half of two thousand eighteen. Get ready for it to slow? Down,.
Ben Roethlisberger of Pittsburgh Steelers wishes rookie teammate Mason Rudolph good luck before rookie minicamp
"You guys should davis a creature of habit here we crack jokes about dave rocking the he wears the piano key scarf he was the piano key beanie today though piano key scarf is a is a staple today just the gray beanie with dave also you rock demons give a demon sweater is that what i've seen word yeah i've got a san francisco demons tshirt says the hell hole and i've got my old usfl oakland invaders jacket as well oakland invaders i knew a guy who played for the oakland invaders depre used to play out at a what i was working at stones town galleria and the nordstrom espresso bar when i was in college dude used to come by everyday get his large coffee he played for the for the invaders he told me a started played the nfl a little bit too defensive and played at cal told me a story about how when they won the title they didn't get championship rings they got a belt buckle there you go let me tell you this dude not a die who was rocking cowboy boots and adult buckle tommy maddox though the the former quarterback of the pittsburgh steelers in the l a extreme was asked yesterday since he was the veteran quarterback who had to hand the reins off to ben rothlisberger he said he thinks big ben says he's going to help this kid after mason rudolph they asked him on draft night are you expecting big ben to a to usher you into teach you the playbook and and and you know a very they called it a diplomatic response he said you know it's not on big ben it's on me it's my responsibility to learn the playbook and to adapt to the nfl i think that's the right answer for a kid to give say hey it's not on me it's on me to do this is my responsibility he's already done it but a lotta people sort of took big bend response to that the wrong way ben rothlisberger said on his radio show last week if he asked me a question i might just point to the playbook and he kind of laughed it off any any went on to say you know i would probably answer questions for ben roethlisberger doesn't seem like the kind of guy who's who's confident or or pardon me.
"usfl" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"So let's go and his impact on on the on the game and and bringing back there lombardi trophy tug green bay was something that he was a missing piece and he bought out against new england with the two sacks basically the last free agent that green bay is brought in since this year change general manager it's six of one half dozen of the other in a lot of ways i never going to be able to argue the numbers because they are what they are and remember remember we talk about okay lt played a year reneging keep the statistic but also reggie white played in usfl number i didn't see list years now i know that too but a number i didn't see and he didn't play it all in ninety nine before his last year with carolina number i did not see and i don't know if they were keeping track of it or what with lt was forced fumbles like reggie's got thirty three and his crew like that's a number i would love to know about lt shawn's and tinton falls sean what's going on hey guys hey don't you are never going to win an argument in this town taylor and white i'll i'll say this or alex smith either well look look at the work you if you wanna put manning and smith head to head a championship game you like his ass kicked i'm just talking about right now where they are physically not they're not even close i mean for today's game it's not for nothing i'll get are going to get some are you to win again today even want to say he's afraid somebody's gonna burn trash so long if you had to win today are you starting alex smith or you starting manning you know watch smith scott blacks he can he can get out of the to be hasn't he hasn't won anything but at the tough call call nagy as far as taking jug out of the lineup what are his numbers against morton i think you'll for five but that's not a big body of work is improved his plate discipline and he's waiting for his pitch i totally agree and he's the strikeouts are strikeouts are i'm sorry to strike outs are just wanted to be part of it i would be much more alarmed if he also wasn't getting on base but he is.
"usfl" Discussed on The Paul Finebaum Show
"Right now about about the mideast and meanwhile he you wouldn't you would never have noticed when watching the president onstage with the alabama crimson tide i think you'd get a sense that the president love these moments of fellowship with the players you know obviously his past with football and professional football the usfl you could really get a sense that this was a moment where he could like relax and he took pictures for at least twenty minutes after the event deliver the secret service was finally like so you've got to go but he was having a blast out there i it was it was you could see how happy he looks pretty nice day for washington this time of the year it was fifty five and sunny the most beautiful time of year to ever be in washington d c in the spring and the cherry blossoms are out and it was a great day philip stutz covering the alabama crimson tide for us at the the white house twenty minutes i mean philip if i remember lad not last year the year before we had coverage of it president obama this was now his fourth time with alabama i mean he he was in and out pretty quickly it looks like you know what i've done this four times with you guys i really don't have anything else to say that spending twenty minutes taking pictures extrordinary isn't it grazie and yeah there were a lot of fans there to paul into the fan the only complaint i heard the fans they had to travel to another neutral site to see alabama.
"usfl" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available
"You know other football picked up and you know the the trendsetters if he had was he had minority hiring an aktuna thing and the rule changes that other leagues adopted you really have to look at it as a you know did they make inroads that baby had not would not have been there if they had existed with the nfl it made those changes gifts a w fell at knocked it i don't know if they will ever know i really don't i think they were happy with the gave they had i don't think they would have opened it up like they did gifted they'll be also had big there i think uh that colonel part of the story really gets lost in the crazy this disease so some of the stories that you know you could kind of chuck away you kinda look nc boy that was crazy whereas if you look deep enough and you look down at uh at some of the documentation and some of the books can you know and some of the things that were written you gotta look at some of the some of the innovation some of the trends that they started that were picked up again by the wfp are in the nfl hated and usfl and he's still survive this day do you think that the uh the economy in the united states at that time which was not great uh recession for shore and the lack of consistent television and or perhaps the you know the the the nonexistence really of any great scale of cable television although i do think hbo a fledgling hbo had a number of games on their air but obviously a much much smaller base of viewers do you think the absence of you know uh you mentioned holding on quote unquote um you know was the timing also uh you know in the star so to speak in terms of not being uh fertile.
"usfl" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"Also 24 months away from having any real potential future all other quarterbacks have gone a different direction to steve young goes to the usfl before he backs up montana and then wins the jawbone montana got older and left to go to kansas city so there are different ways can menzel get here by going there only if he's healthy only of his life is healthier and that's that's the starting point the conversation on good morning america was was i opening it was enlightening so in that regard a very good step in that direction eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine we continue on this monday edition of the rich eisen show i mike heather that sean obvious we our guest hosting and back in again tomorrow and wednesday as well rich eisen returns on thursday we also got a see something yesterday that i don't think many of us planned on seeing and that was the new roster around lebrun james and that they went in and did what they did in boston they blow out the celtics in boston and the four new players george hill nance clarkson could for cleveland the four news combined for forty nine points on eighteen of 35 from the floor so better than fifty percent from the floor and forty nine points of their 121 the game the braun in the game played 28 minutes minutes are big or lebron is concern those minutes are lower because they won in a blowout but part of the cleveland plan would be that you've got to control james minutes until you get to april of may and june in the playoffs control his minutes he played 28 he was nine of twenty from the floor twenty four points 8 rebounds 10 assists and if you watched energized energized because of new.
"usfl" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available
"Yeah the nfl is drunk twice that the usfl knew from day one that there's no way they're playing in the spring it's a new experiment uh they're smaller markets uh there's a lot of things working against jude and yet some made the comparison uh the the it was developed television ratings are joke new only the first year even compared to the nfl again they're playing in the spring this is a completely new product abc television and espn the television partners never projected close to nfl numbers the usfl exceeded those numbers but that wasn't good enough for the critics they weren't nfl numbers therefore they were bad so you know while you had what to uh uh really an unbiased observer look like a very successful season to those who were looking to find fault they found plenty of it and they went out of their way to make sure the people new so these ownership changes didn't go without notice these people picked up on them and they they criticize it again incessantly uh and you know it was the that was the surest sign that there were things going on behind the scenes that the usfl ownership was was shifting in that way and some of that shift was natural there were some bad geographic fits having an oklahoma oilman uh run your new yorkbased franchise was never ideal uh selling off to a local was a much better proposition and having a phoenix base heart surgeon dr ted dietrich owned the chicago franchise was never ideal especially when he had a different usfl franchise in his hometown where he was running his practice so the there were some of those things that were kind of auto correcting in the second ear but yeah it was a little bit of a sign that things may not be as rosy as an unbiased observer my.
"usfl" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Toward and character i would ferry it may be an upto bottle long shot but then i look at the other uh uh uh football like uh string football or exhibition where canadian football legacy arena football so if i was uh if i was uh stuff promoting this i guess i know i'm not going to be the nfl but if you can get a product that looks good i think there could be an audience for his jack i've heard this before i mean the exit celts dis what seventeen eighteen years ago the usfl had jim kelly dead herschel walker and they had of four better product in anything you're going to see on the exit fell and what they can provide so unless you're going to play that a wrestling audience now i know wrestling enormously popular now benz going down what is the wall rumble on sunday baby boy they're talking about it right now big i'll all fired up about it are now going down nobody was that a monday night raw the 20th anniversary i saw a picture and purity is gonna have to tell me this story of some bad ass chair wrestling share that period always able to bring back is a souvenir did you ask the poulsen strings period out and make that happen now everyone gut seats that with the men and center uh so that was just not a special treat for everybody yeah well we just did after the show that they gave us we deserves take home the seat i had could on the stat panel not happy not happy but i couldn't tell you think about it teaches all right to each his own we all have our guilty pledges for salvage wrestling for me it's spending hours at a time on a golf course by myself and some would say on the range because of that but happiness as i learned a long long time ago it is different for everyone i am respectful.
"usfl" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"Hey the thing about this room is what about gold no i was actually thinking what would be work rate with those those sort of victorian drapes would goal i sort of well i think if you if you see it all put together you'll think a little bit more i am i not hearing gold will because i'm actually telling you what will actually why you still here okay we'll we'll say gold my god gold let's do it okay my god the usfl wasn't going away donald had hoped and he somehow convinced the other usfl owners to move from sprang to fall to compete directly with the nfl okay the plan was to force a merger in 1980 six the owners voted to move and then filed a one point seven billion antitrust lawsuit against the nfl over tv rights the judge ruled in favor of the usfl hats add sorry this to seems so crazy yep it it it's basically like you show up on someone's land and you're like you on behalf of your house and under the government's just like yeah well hold on now cake um so that the judge agreed but said the us fels downfall was its own fault and awarded the league one dollar and damages oh my god yes the usfl appealed although it is supreme court in in the end they collected a cheque for three dollars and seventy six including interest what that's 21 cents for each team made sorry they eventually out of their lawsuit got three dollars at seventy six cents yeah.