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US vs Pirates (1804)

This Day In Esoteric Political History

15:13 min | 3 months ago

US vs Pirates (1804)

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Name your price tool you say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive will help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today. Progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law. Hello and welcome to this day in political history from radio topa. My name is jody africa. This day february. Sixteen st teen four paint a picture for year. Roughly seventy us marine staged a raid on american ship the uss philadelphia. The ship had been captured by enemy forces so the plan was to board the ship and burn it down on the cover of moonlight these seventy. Us marines manage to distract the people guarding the ship. Sneak aboard and do just that a successful daring night mission the us at war. And if you're thinking to yourself wait a minute. Eighteen o four a war. it's not the revolutionary war. it's not the war of eighteen twelve. We know when that happened. There's a navy ship involved is probably not part of the indian territory wars. This is of course folks from the first barbary war. And it took place off the coast of tripoli in the mediterranean and our main ally sweden. All of these things were very surprising to me. At least so let's discuss here is always. is nicole. Hammer of columbia. Hello nicki jody and kelly. Carta jackson of wesleyan here as well. Hello kelly there so yes to me where it were and are minella sweden. And we're in tripoli all of these things as i said we're a little surprising to me so kelly start to inform me and our audience. What are we doing over there. Sure so the first barbary were putting much tastes place between eighteen. O one and eighteen five and the united states and sweden are fighting against four north african states collectively known as the barbary states. So today we know this as libya. Algeria tunisia and rocco. But what most people don't realize is that during this time roughly one million europeans are captured by barbary pirates. And then they're sold slaves between the sixteenth and the eighteenth century. So this is something that i think. We don't talk about enough. Because so much of the atlantic slave trade dominates our conversation in terms of piracy and trafficking. But when we think about this moment piracy is a really big deal and win the united states ship. The philadelphia gets captured during thomas. Jefferson's watch he has to make a hard decision about how he's going to deal with these pirates and his first impetuses negotiate at least that kind of works out. It doesn't it doesn't go so well but look. The mediterranean was a big part of european trade. I mean this is where spices come through. Eight is one of the big portals in europe and so for the us to be actively engaged in trade it needs to pass into the mediterranean sea and every time us ships go through there. They have to deal with pirates and a real. She begins to irritate them in part. Because it's messing with trade in part because of the impressment of sailors who get taken by these pirates and there's an easy solution to this. If thomas jefferson wants it on his very first day in office the pass off. Tripoli comes to him and says please give me three million dollars and my pirates won't bother you anymore. So he gets. There's an extortion attempt on day. One of thomas jefferson's presidency but he of course says no What is your sense. Kelli of like jefferson's mindset at this point. I'm in a couple of things you. He says. No and a pasture declares war naked states. And i think thomas jefferson to deal with this. This also a moment where we're looking at the louisiana purchase and the expansion of the united states westward and thomas. Jefferson is really focused on. How can we concentrate. All of our sources politically and economically to building up infrastructure in. What is the new expansive united states of america. So he really sees this as a bleed on resources that are taking place all the way over in the mediterranean ocean the mediterranean sea as something that he does not want to have to deal with and this is like a huge foundational debate among the founders during this period is where does the united states future lies. Does it lie in relations with europe and having those commercial ties and doing all of this trade or do we face west and plant the us flag there and kelly mentions the louisiana purchase in eighteen. O three thomas jefferson unconstitutionally buys a whole bunch of land doubles the size of the united states. And that's where he sees the future of the us so why hang out in the mediterranean and fight pirates when you could not do that and so you have this faction called the anti-naval 'less and other ones in forget the ocean. Let's go out into the to the less than fight. Land battles But very opposed to belly buttons vance right but but is the real argument. That's taking place at this point. Basically about what kind of empire is the united states. Going to have more kind of expansion is going to have or. Is there also a kind of anti imperialist argument even this early and saying look. We're this new country. Let's just like chill and get her act together a little bit before all of a sudden we start pushing out in every direction. I think it's a little bit of both. I think that in some ways you know. The united states military has not really been tested since the american revolution and this is their way to sort of prove to the world. How they're going to negotiate or how they're going to deal with pirates and you know who's going to be able to dictate what happens on the seas and what control they have or lack thereof so in some ways. I think this is about the military trying to prove itself as a force but also. I think that it's about jefferson trying to steer away as much as he possibly can away from these. You know foreign engagements that don't really interest him as much as westward expansion. As and what's so interesting about that language of anti-imperialist they juicing jefferson with think about it as lake. We're a republic. We are different from these european empires. Because he doesn't think of the us's across the continent as an imperial action. I mean we might think of it differently today. But he saw it as a rejection of the kind of empire that he was seeing began to develop in europe How does this war This barbary war nikki starts to wrap up. I mean from what. I gather The us can tell itself story that it quote unquote wins. But i don't think it's exactly like a resounding victory necessarily luck. The us likes to tell it's some stories about how it wins wars But i think is the story that tells about the barbary wars. there's in fact second one But it kind of just peters out the signing a treaty in eighteen o five As marines were threatening tripoli The us loses fewer people Forty-seven die on the other side. Thirteen die on the. Us side I think that militarily it is more or less victory i mean they. They managed to get the peace that they want without. Having to pay the giant ransom that had been demanded And it was important as a naval victory and important for the us to frame it as a naval victory because it was still a very young republic and it was really not clear that it was going to be able to last and being able to show yourself as a military forces that would again in eighteen. Twelve was a really important part of securing independence. As i think if i could add to this the fact that they are sort of given praise by pope pious the seventh. I think states a lot. You know he says the united states though in their infancy have done more humble the anti-christian barbarians on the african coast. Then european states at done. And i think that's a real vote of confidence in the united states ability to effect. Change in places where it doesn't necessarily want to be involved. It's trying to show the world. I think early on that. It can be a forceful power. I think that's a really important line too. Because this is all sort of been ret. Conned two hundred years later as america's first war on terror because it's being fought against predominantly muslim states. I think that's pretty problematic. That's a line. That's been out there in the post. Nine eleven period. That's really popular in like the mid two thousands to call this america's first war on terror because it was the us fighting against the muslims. Well and i guess much like our modern war on terror it's like very lot messier than people realize it's really hard to see who's winner and loser and so forth there. Is this interesting thing here though. Both of you know have talked about how this burnished reputation in a sense a world stage Whereas you know it makes me think domestic expansion may not have done that right. The rest of the world may be was not looking at louisiana purchase. Maybe i'm wrong. But was not looking at the louisiana purchase and saying oh this means the united states is a is a player and maybe these other acts kind of do a little bit more to announce our arrival. Think in you know at this moment. I think you're only as strong as your military or you're in some cases only as strong as your navy And so for the longtime that is how the british rule that was their navy that allowed them to procure so much power and influence and so being able to establish authority on the seas is a pretty big deal in terms of letting people know what you control and what you don't. Yeah and i think that it's important to remember that the us was also still. And i mentioned this bill still very vulnerable. And that's why the british attack in eighteen twelve because it's not entirely clear that the us can defend itself. And if you can't defend yourself then you don't actually have independence and so this is part of the us flexing its muscles showing off its navy But it's also coming into conflict with empires in the western hemisphere with spain with russia's it gets further west so there's a lot of imperial conflict happening on the continent. But but that this the give this is a precursor to the war of eighteen. Twelve is interesting. A lot of the same names show up a lot of the sort of like naval you know the same ships the same commanders and so forth are the ones who then in that sort of more. Prominent war ended up being there A couple of little tidbits as we wrap up you know. I mentioned sweden as unlikely or whatever ally in the opening. There isn't much to say other than it seems like sweden was the other country that was basically like we don't wanna pay ransoms. We want to sort of fight analysis in the us and sweden r. line. But that's nice little tidbit. Don't hear much about that. We should be celebrating our lines. Sweden more often goes back up and and speaker celebrating There is a monument to this war. It was in the capital but now it's in their annapolis and it is the oldest war monument in the united states who was made within a year or two And shipped back to the united states on old ironsides which ends up having its own story of its own but i can imagine you know walking through the us. Capitol get what that's about. And i get what that's about and be like wait a minute. This is about triple i. It is there that we have anyway. Let's leave it there. I think the reasonable amount of time spent talking about the barbara nicole. Emmer thanks to you as always thank you. Jody and kelly carter jackson. Thanks to you my pleasure. This day esoteric. Political history is a proud member of radio toby. A from p r x network of independent listener supported. Artists owned podcasts. A researcher and producer is jacob feldman. Our producer is britney brown. You can get in touch with us. Send us an e mail this day. 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It's not what happens to you, it's what you do about it

Chatter that Matters

38:04 min | 5 months ago

It's not what happens to you, it's what you do about it

"But you know during the two years that it took me to slowly regain the use of my hands. As they became less sensitive as i as i was able to dress myself again and feed myself and and drive a car again flying airplanes again these twenty-three w mitchell's in a horrific motorcycle locks that sixty five percent of his body severely burned. He survived a few years later was paralyzed when his plane crashes at mitchell i started to focus on how powerful i was. Innovative i was. I started the focus on the gift that lives inside and our life changed. You're listening to the iheartradio candidate talk network and this is life matters with tony. Chapman presented by when an olympic athlete breaks world record. But we know it's an accomplishment like no other same holds true for anything with metrics or you can compare apples to apples. But how do you measure in angeles feeling. The belief comes much party to hold the highest highest regards. And it's so easy. For words that conviction incurred and fortitude and to pour out of our mouths putting doing salih become easily diluted tomorrow. Whistler is new words to describe my guest a gold medal a world record for courage and the power to choose and act. And when you hear this story please. That's not the imagination of fiction writer or exaggerated anyway suspend belief. It's true it's authentic and my guest is living proof that with all of us lies the special treasure. The treasure to choose choose to act like matters is also available as a podcast download and listen to the latest episode. Signed it using your iheartradio. Canada at my guest today goes by the name mitchell i i met mitchell thirty years ago when i hired him as a guest speaker producer and he was hard to look at. Face was disfigured. His fingers were stumps as a result of horrific motorcycle accident where he became a human bonfire. And he's now a wheelchairs the result of a plane crash but his message. That day was so simple yet. Powerful it's not what happens to you. it's what you do about it mitchell. Welcome to life. Matters only is always great to be with you and it's been too long and i'm glad to be part of life matters. Today mitchell he'd been introduced stage by president. Clinton anthony robbins. You're successful entrepreneur. And mary in the hall of fame for speaking. You've done more than most hadn't overcome to horrific setbacks before we get into those. Take us back to the days before your first accident. Well i've been lucky guy and tons of ways and you haven't recognized one of my highest accomplishments in a little disappointed only also an honorary novi joke the screech and i'm taking the oath and Newfoundland i've had a wonderful life and event some tough bounces and come down with some amazing lessons from stone. Some of those bounces mitchell europe. Born william john shift the third. But you change your name to w mitchell in august stepfather. What's the story behind that. When i was about five my parents divorced my father bill shifts and my mother ethel cracker split up and my mother remarried married demand. That luke mitchell now. My father was a wonderful man. I loved him and he lived a long time. Lived to be ninety seven years old and was a great dad. My stepfather was also Supreme character he'd ridden the cowry in the first world. War it been a fox been is a gentleman in every every respect and when luke mitchell died i decided i wanted because mitchell mitchell. Not w not bill not anything else. So i actually took that name. Got a job on the radio and honor lu. I was a disc jockey on k. G. u. the voice of the pacific and And loved that job and it meant so much tomato thing on my stepfather but my friends calling mitchell today and it means a lot to your honorably discharged in the us marines based in hawaii. What took you to san francisco. I had a couple of stops along. The way got out of the marines. I stained norway and then time to get discharged. I loved the why so much. I stained there. I was there over five years working on the radio. Being a bartender. Doing some of the things and then moved back to the philadelphia area. From which i came and moved to san francisco. I left my heart in san francisco. Beautiful city i would say Vancouver and san francisco the two of the most beautiful cities north america. That's my feeling about it and got a job. Driving the san francisco cable cars the cable car that little old fashioned trolley gar ho by cable the runs along under the ground. People know about a rope tow ski rope joe. It sort of propelled the same way and in one thousand nine hundred anyone. Your life turned upside down. Didn't it driving my ran. No motorcycle brand new motorcycle. I stopping across the san francisco bay bridge to fly an airplane for the first time in my life by myself solo and any of your listeners. Right now can if they start to think about a little bit remember there i so love it so he thinks we can't do the many things that are too hard. There's so many things that someday. I'll maybe i'll do that. I wish i could do that. Wouldn't it be nice if i could do that. And i had one of those fantasies about being a pilot. Only i turned my fantasy into reality. When i got my student pilot's license and it was able to fly the plane one day. No one else people remember when they do have a car for the first time. If you're a kid you remember the first time you were by yourself. And in those moments you become the captain of your destined in those moments you become master of your fate however sometimes we forget. Sometimes we don't think about it. Sometimes we say oh. That's too hard only special pimple. Could do that on me and you. Are that special person. You are that person. The same person that drove the car when it seemed impossible. They rode the bike when it seemed impossible. That said i'm going to do this when it seemed impossible. And if you could be the master of your fate that day you can choose to do it again. I tony chairman. You're listening to life matters. Text me anytime at seven ten ten. I'll get back to your or send mitchell a message. Coming up. next mitchell's coming back was first solo flags riding his brand. New mortis tackle and his life changes. In instant is he gets sideswiped by laundry truck gas tank explodes. Yes cap and outscored tuna gallons of gasoline. All over me and the end of the engine ignited had been a marine. You know i had been a a cable. Car griffin good-looking imagine got ready. Got up from. The chair started to walk through the door. I wanted to go out to pick one of my walks. But when i got to the front door i realized no one was there to open it for me. I couldn't stand to touch it. I couldn't touch anything. And then i started to panic and then start to cry. I can remember lying down on the floor in front of that doorway tears streaming out of my is the most useless worthless dejected person on her. Why had those doctors and nurses. Why had that whole team worked so hard to save may was this. Was this some kind of a cruel joke. Life matters. tony. Chapman will return in a moment on the iheartradio. Talk network ladies and gentlemen the forty second president of the united states william jefferson clinton and. I saw another friend of mine back here. Who did not speak to you today. Often speaks at these power within advances name is w mitchell and he. We've been friends for twenty five years and we were talking when i said how do you deal with all this. And he said well. You know before i was injured. There were ten thousand things. I do with my life but when i really thought about it only took away about a thousand of those things so i have a choice i can spend the rest of my life feeling sorry for myself because of the thousand things that are gone or i could spend the rest of my life feeling. Good about the nine thousand. Things are still out there. That i can do. You're listening to life matters with tony. Chapman presented by on the iheartradio candidate talk network high. If you're just joining me encourage you to stay with me. china mitchell. Most courageous human. I've ever met. Life was perfect. Honorable discharge the us marines. First solo fight as a pilot brand new motorcycle. Great job then in a moment and all goes up into flames literally and so dry. We might motorcycle to my job at an intersection. In san francisco truck ran a stop sign smashed into the bite. The mike went down. The gas. cap popped open an outboard tune. F gallons of gasoline. All over me and the heat of the engine ignited. Wow and literally. I became gillard bonfire unable to do anything able physically. I don't even remember the experience. I just remember people telling me about it. That's a someone saved your life. That day wasn't the paramedics that ride the scene. You here today because of a car salesman who had the courage to act and the moment in which you choose to act life can change in the moment you choose not to wait for someone else to come on and help you do it. Sometimes we need somebody to it. And i understand that but this car salesman working at a dealership on the corner. That day grabbed a fire extinguisher. From milwall out into the street did not wait for permission and because of that person taking responsibility for that moment i was still alive when paramedics arrived. And in this moment right now there's a whole world of people being told you can't do that and he can't go here and that's too hard and that's not good for you now. Does that mean you shouldn't wear masks. Of course you should. You should protect other people around you and yourself but the reality that the power that resides inside each and every one of us and the power of that one man and the power of those paramedics and the power of the people in the emergency room the power of those nurses and doctors. But the reason we're having this visit today sixty five percent of your body's badly burned. When did you know how bad things were well. It's inconceivable when you look at these objects that are attached to your arms and your lying in this hospital bed and you know you've had some surgery that day and yet it doesn't mean anything. The hands feel fine. Feel normal and i remember. The doctors finally unwrapping them and later. I was told that my nurses by then were just yelling at the doctors that they had to talk to me that the head the gummy what they had done in that surgery that day and as they started down. Wrap my hands with all of this dressing. This caused all of this hospital stuff around them. And finally i said to him as a this. Be an end in there somewhere because you just aren't stopping. Finally of course. I saw what was left of what had been to hands capable of driving a cable car hands capable flying an airplane. It will drive a motorcycle and realized that my fingers were gone. That i had at the best a stop of one of them. None of in other places and you ask the nurses a question that day that raised a few eyebrows. And maybe even a smile said one of my nurses would do ask somebody to bring in by flying lessons. 'cause i wanna fly an airplane and they looked at me and humor me but when you think about you the only one in the world who's ever flown in airplane that maybe it had an accident or lost a finger in your book he says that's when you're matching came to you. It's not what happens to let you do about life apoptosis. That's awesome as you mentioned making it. Sound simple no problem at all. I lost all my money. Plus my home my ross. My relationship ross might loved one hundred. Say it never hear me say easy. Easy doesn't do it. But i've watched man run across a country now. Didn't say run to the grocery store. I didn't say when downs catch busts. I'm trying better manning fox a country to show us what we can do and if he can run across the country. Maybe the thing that i'm complaining. It's too hard not blower to strange. Maybe it isn't as tough as you thank. You could be four months later. You get at a hospital but you're far from hill new skin in your hands so sensitive that even fresh air hurts leaving. The hospital and going home was strange but not terrible experience. I had a new family. I had my girlfriend and her mother invited us to come and live at her house. The mother's house between earner daughter takara may that looked after me now. I was like a new baby. I was this twenty seven year. Old ex-marine ex cable car graffman. Tough capable strong. Reliant and now those same clothes of that under seventy five bound man was a man wang. I'd been twenty five sketch of his former self. But i could walk. I could get around and every day one would take the front door. Let me out and with mike. Great dane i would walk and walking. Bach was big job initially and then walking five blocks was a big job initially and then walking model was the big job. He spent a lot of time looking at shoes. Why because of people looked at me. I taught myself to look away. I didn't want to answer. The questions they were asking with. There is kind of questions they ask what there is what happened do what. How did you become this way. Whatever face whatever your hands what did you do when you've been all the common questions and somebody wants to know and a new wind up this way your life so mitchell. You're physically or a shell of who used to be one hundred and seventy five pounds one hundred twenty five pounds. The proud now walking with his is facing down. How did you find the strength to keep going well. I i had learned a lot of things in that hospital experience that there were a lot of strengths. Still in me. I don't think. I was filled with fear or depression or dow. I remember one day standing outside a bank. And i had my hands crossed in front of me. If your audience members stick your hands straight out. That skin was still so sensitive. I had my hands. Were so i would hold my hands out in front of me. Crossed at the wrists and a gentleman came towards me. It was just walking up the street and he stopped and he looked mate for a while and then he reached in his pocket and he pulled out some coins and he dropped some of the coins in my hand that this was incredibly uncomfortable for me. But i looked at him and i said glasses and a smile when he walked away and as soon as us out of earshot at drop on the ground. Did everyone you one day coming out of my house. Walk down the street guy was coming towards me and when you and i first met tony toronto. Long time ago you reminded me a little bit. He was better looking than you. But you got to me. I looked up just for a second. And before i could look away. You smiled at me in offering wallet. It again offer me your pass code you. Atm gallion by mail for dinner. You simply smile. You said hello with your smile you said oh hi. I'm another human being to you like me i'm like you. It seems okay. That's all of those messages. I was reading in that simple swamp smile. but all of us have available all of his capable of dispensing. Sometimes the most wonderful message coming up next. Mitchell chooses purpose over pity starts a business gets his pilot's license and the tragedy strikes again. A plane accident puts him in a wheelchair. For life only chapman. You're listening to life matters. Texts me at seven ten. It feel free to send mitchell message. Life matters what. Tony chapman will return in a moment on the iheartradio talk network highs tony chapman and a big thank you to for sponsoring life matters. Speaking of matters. I have a question for you. Check checking on your family the status your health or car. What was the last time you did a check in with your finances. Rv checking is a virtual experience with no obligation. I got answers to all my money questions. Big and small. And i now have a plan for my future book check in at rbc dot com slash check in for life matters. Tony chapman continues on the iheartradio candidate talk network presented by rbc. My guest today goes by the name. Mitchell i i met mitchell thirty years ago when i hired him as a guest speaker i didn't event is produced it and he was hard to look at face was disfigured. His fingers were stumps as a result of horrific motorcycle accident where he became a human bonfire investors. That day was so simple. Yes so powerful. It's not what happens to you what you do about it. So mitchell you leave san francisco you moved to colorado start a business. What did you do. Little town called crested. Colorado and i was driving back east. This was back in the seventies when we had an incredible energy crisis. North america. people weren't just concerned about how much gasoline or fuel oil their homes would cost. They were worried about with that. You get it at all. And so people were looking for alternative energy ways to eat their own and fuel for transportation. I was in business in crested. And we we were driving down the freeway from colorado to the east coast and he told me about his brother-in-law who had this idea about building woodstoves. And for me. That seemed like a really dumb idea. I could not understand when you don't need to woodstock with the sears sells woods. The bay company sells woodstoves. Everybody you don't need another one. But he then cohen idea doing something completely different completely efficient and and and cost said bing. It'll sorry to interrupt. But did you ever see the irony in getting involved in a business that evolves wood-burning dose messages was step back. Don't get too close. So how did the company. The company grew in the first few years to sixty five million dollars in sales. You had another turn of events. That many wouldn't recover from either physically or mentally. I had used money. I got from the government from the us government. And i used some of that money to not only get my private license after that myself but then you have my commercial bias license of my instrument rating and my twin engine reading and even my commercial sale plan wedding so i could fly like justice in livingston all i guess i is a beautiful way to fly and use the insurance money i received from settlement with the london Company and the motorcycle company bought a magnificent single engine. One of the biggest most powerful single engine planes you could buy was gaining a lot of experience as a pilot. I began my think a good pilot and again you could put six people in the serpent so that was big. I mall plane tragedy strikes again. One morning i had planned to go to san francisco and so i contacted some folks in down and said anybody to just go help me to the gas and come along and we went down to the airport. It was certainly chris clear beautiful canadian rocky mornings where you could see forever. And and feel fourteen degrees fahrenheit temperatures but when you took off something wasn't right something was terribly wrong. The plane was flying the way it should in the head of me were rocks rough terrain but below me. Doni but lonely. There was still some runway. Still just put back on. The ground had to make an instantaneous. Not a decision which gets to spend too much time thinking but again i was a good pilot on. I pulled the power. The plane stalled now for your listeners. Who are not pilots. Starring doesn't mean that the engine stops trying literally stalling means at the wingstop flying and the plane fell like iraq's smashing back into the rack. All i can tell about was fire on thinking about was an explosion. The tanks were full of fuel a yellow. The passengers get out the doors. Open get out now. One of them was able to wedge. It openly crawled away. They ran away now. I started to climb out of the plane i had. There was not too much time to think about this thing. And i started to look myself but my my feet must've been stuck under the rudder. Pedals i had tartar. Had to get out of the plane now and then. I started to feel the ban on my back. The sense the numbness in my legs. And then i realized i couldn't move my legs. I sat there for what felt like a lifetime. In fact it was about four and a half minutes before the volunteers of the gunnison county ambulance crew arrived with all the skill and carrying be moving the aircraft but man applied for life plan to denver where they performed an operation. The next one the doctor scam in my room to tell me that i was paralyzed. The most likely. I would never walk again that most likely i was going to use a wheelchair from now on rounds with us not fair. That's not fair catch wide. Did that happen to me. I hadn't heard anybody. I hadn't done anything wrong. I was trying to save people's lives. Why may i can't begin to imagine what you must have felt but in your book you talk about a young girl who called in the hospital and gave you some of your own medicine. She was high school students. Incredibly said mitchell. People have come to see you. Tell me you're putting on a brave face but you're not doing so well mitchell. Do you remember about a year ago. I was having difficulties in school. And you told me something. One afternoon. That i'll never forget. You told may that it's not what happens to life ads and then you get to choose. It's what you do with life. You still believe that. Mitchell on the tonight is your medicine. Was it hard to swallow. I like giving advice. I do not like get advice back. Thank you very much. So what happens next and the next morning when the orderlies game in my room lift me out of my bed but man this new wheelchair. I hated in interview. I listened to you. Describe your wheelchairs. The president i had been confined to for life to this prison for this awkward uncomfortable challenging limiting device and i didn't even have a choice once again. You credit a therapist for helping you with your mental state. Beverly was might physical therapist. I'm quite sure i'm convinced. Effect that beverley had once been a marine corps john structure. I'm sure every morning. She had clipboard with a list of ten impossible things and every day at the end of the day there were ten lasts impossible things world. Does that mean it was a party every day. is that mainly at every everyday. No no well they fez bumps detours life has challenged. Somebody once said the truly most successful person is the one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. We're going to get Tours and some of which we're not gonna like and some of which we wish we had taken them and almost all of which and the lesson learned or gift coming up next. Mitchell reflects on his life complement on one choice and his belief is but we focus on. We get back what we concentrate on. We become an. I let myself out of that prison. And i discovered one more limitation in my life. There was only gonna last as long as i let it more with mitchell. In life matters the terms. You're listening to the iheartradio. Candida talk network. We'll be right back with more life matters with tony. Chapman life matters with tony. Chapman continues on the iheartradio. Candid attack network. Is tony chapman. You listened to life matters. Text any time in seven ten ten. Send a message from mitchell. Just tuning in twenty-three-year-old horrific motorcycle accident comes human bonfire covers. Two years later flying a plane. Crashes comes up paraplegia instead of pity. Mitchell chooses purpose in pursuit. Mitchell done more with your life than most you truly live to the title of your book and your mantra. Now what happens to you. It's what you do about your world hall of fame as a speaker and for good reason time and time again you receive standing ovations till the audience hands bleed more often than not. Your message comes down to one word choice. Can you explain back for president. Clinton was speaking. He was retired from office. He was the president anymore but he shows up at the convention center coming in through the back of course a game and install. May we've known each other for a long time this great visit and they looked at the people firm monitor to in and said first time. Ever it you'll speech. He said something about every week. Four hours paralyzed there. Were ten thousand thousand things i could do with my life and this injury was pretty tough but when i really thought about it only took away about a thousand of those things so i have a choice i can spend the rest of my life feeling sorry for myself because of the thousand things that are gone or i can spend the rest of my life feeling good about the nine thousand things that are still out there that i can use the nine thousand. That's all of our choice. And i think about that every week. I got him to record that for me. It was wonderful. And i use it as an introduction. Sometimes are you always positive. And do i think that way every second of my always. So life's good. Everything's fine nevada problem. No blacks life. Life has bumps life as oh kinds of stuff but overwhelmingly life as opportunities and gifts. And i've spoken for groups again. Probably thirty forty countries and been every province in canada and one of the territory's mitchell. You volunteer a lot of your time to mentor. Kids and some are on the right path in life. You often open your talk about seeds in an apple that you can count the seeds in an apple but you never know how many apples will come from seed until it's planet. Where do you find your lessons in life. All these lessons have been your that metro grated You ever think of that most thought about it because some kid in manitoba talk to me in a classroom one told me a little story about themselves their first solo perhaps their loved one who they lost her added issue with and you're famous quote is not what happened to you is what you do about it. You're welcome to use it but you really need to get permission from air saddle. I said listen generously and learn from all around you. The lessons are out there. Like is out there and it is merely the. You're going to be the first person ever to persevere ever to conquer ever to learn a lesson that no one else is ever learned. It's pretty hard from you. Imagine and covid. There have been viruses before okay. The had been viruses isn't fun as just easy is just this wonderful. If given no and for some people it's been left up for the has been for may but life is life and you have powers that are unreal. Not ever used before. Mitchell have one more question is based on something you said thirty years ago and even today i believe in you said what we focus on we get back and what we concentrate on we become. Do you truly believe that with everything that's happened you yes and i think. Virtually all the risk of women harsh with myself. As i could be this week at some moment when i'm highly critical. I'm questioning whether. I'm doing most of what i could do. That's a great moment to say okay. It used to be anywhere you wanna be. Where would you like to be. And what are you willing to do to get there and must've is not that hard is not that in possible and maybe it would help to have somebody else get there which means calling friendly tone. Chapman did the day metro. We talked to. I think the accents that you had in your life you had for a reason that reason was to put a dent in people's hearts not identified hers but a dent it just fills us with purpose and passionate pursuit on her. And i next time on the novella number looking to share luxury. Stay safe my friend. Joining me on life matters amy. She's a clinical social worker and an entrepreneur. She called trotta wellness council. I heard about amy when she was making some real positive. I i heard about amy and the worksheets doing with rb see so invited her on the show because he has a lot to say about how we can cope with. Today's insert days. Amy welcome to life matters. Tony thank you so much. I'm so grateful to be here. You talk a lot about the difference between pain purpose. Can you explain. They fundamentally believe that one of the very very few choices that we have in life is our mindset and our perspective and how we show up for our lives not only in the good but particularly during the rough seasons and essentially tony. I think that we have two options. We either allow our pain define us or we make purpose out of that pain. We create our own narratives whereby we go through the pain and in going through it. On the other end we wind up a more full amore. Whole a more informed human being. It must be easier said than done though one hundred percent. I can't tell you how many really cute quotes and memes woolsey posted on social media about you know practice self care go for a massage. Get your nails done. Grab a beer at the boys. All of which is not really possible right now but that's not the type of self care that we're talking about. That's not how we make purpose pain. It requires certain ourselves. It requires crystal clear communication. The quintessential things that we always hear about meditation exercise intention setting gratitude journaling. So how would i start. If i'm feeling insecure and uncertain kovic hit me like a sledgehammer are worried about the next bill coming in. Can you give some practical steps. So at least. I'm starting to put the right foot forward turning my pain into purpose carve out. What's wrong. is it the finances. Is that the bills. Is it business or marriage. Isn't that her kid is depressing. Has been gaining for a week. Like what's the issue to get support whether it's your partner whether it's your mother your brother your sister your friends but people that can help brainstorm ideas and solutions whether it is those financial difficulties whether it is troubles in our marriage whether it is strategies to support our son and then three does little practices of making sure. You're sleeping making sure your body is moving making sure you're taking time to check in with yourself taking inventory of what does the emotion i'm carrying. Today i actually think that it can be incredibly beneficial when we need to pivot and figure out what to do jamie. How could people read more about what you're doing the work i mean. How do we find out about a third as you can find me a toronto on this counseling dot com. I've ivan instagram or my channels tronto underscore wellness and i have meditations. I've talks. I'm pretty bold and upfront as we are in this conversation. So that's how they can be in touch with me for tastic advice. Amy deacon i can understand what you so highly recommended with such high regard for joining my life matters. Thank you tony. Take good care so wonderful to with mitchell been twenty years but in twenty seconds. We were friends again mitchell. Thank you for these three gifts. It's not what happens to you. It's what you do about it and what you focus on life is what you get back and what we concentrate on is who we become in doing. So thick mitchell's telling us that our destiny is the matter choice not chance. It's tony chapman. Follow me a chatter that matters dossier and let's chaps in life matters with tony. Chapman has been a presentation of. Rv see you can. Also if you're a brand new episode. Every friday across your iheartradio. Canada talk network.

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The Mind-Body Connection with Claudia Cavazza!

A Whole Lotta Gray

51:17 min | 5 months ago

The Mind-Body Connection with Claudia Cavazza!

"Hey guys it's an issue of the host of a whole lot agree. Thank you so much for listening to this episode whole degree. We pride ourselves on being one hundred percent factually accurate one. Hundred percent of the dime. So i thought it's best that before we jump into today's conversation with the lovely claudia. Cavazos like to highlight a very minute issue on my end regarding factual accuracy. It's a super minute factual accuracy. But i thought it best that i acknowledge it before the start of the episode it something. I caught only while during the editing and post production of the actual episode so in around the twenty third minute or so. I'm talking about you know karate. And you'll see the cortex which i'm talking about it but accidentally i say die cuando so i just wanted to put that out there that i was referring to karate especially because i referred to garage as especially because i referred to die quad rather as a japanese practice when in reality it's not it's a korean practice so to any korean slash japanese listener listening. I would like to extend my apology for you know. I know it's a pretty minute era but it's not pleasant to make any especially regarding the sort of stuff so yeah just wanted to put that out there. I was referring to karate in around the twenty third minute. When i say die cuando and yeah i will do my level best to ensure that such things do not happen again in the future. I hope you'll dos us subscribed slash follows slash you know calm and depending on which streaming platform. You're listening to this episode on okay without further. Ado let's jump right into it lease to a whole lot agree as always. I'm your host any sean andrew. And i'm very excited introduced my next guest. Miss claudia cabeza. She is an expert on all things lifestyle wellness meditation yoga among others and is a budding entrepreneur herself. Thank you so much for joining us. Pleasure have you you so much for having me a so. I wanted to jump right into it for our listeners. Maybe a brief introduction walk us through what your upbringing childhood was like. Okay so is he can tell from my accent English language. So i was born and raised. Nearly i lived there for about twenty years of my life and eleven italy. Doing very cool very cool or you. Can you hear me perfectly. So i grew up in italy very much. Typical italian family food centre of family. Lots of social interaction connecting with others israeli definitely our culture and definitely Even though it really is a catholic country Definitely lot a lot of organized religion in my life very much grounded in science the much you know secular education driven and this kind of Into a lot of conversation about a lot of different topics and so forth so very cool very so That's add since you said you know you. It's kind of a very progressive open minded environment growing up How would you say that kind of shaped your childhood aspirations. Did you always know you wanted to do what you're doing. Currently did that recently. Developed what did you want to do when you were a kid. So when i was a kid actually wanted to be an attorney for some reason of inspired by that searching for justice and all that standing for people's rights always trying to protect the underdog and so forth. And then as i grew up i learned a little more by the professional little about The process and details about the job and then definitely shifted the peace. They've remained consistent with me throughout. And then i think that's what is led me to what i'm doing now. Is this feasibly. Taking care of the under underserved. The dog who don't have a voice or people that may have had traumatic experiences and so forth so that is definitely remain their second to get to put the pieces together and quite a few years and realize how could serve these populations but the openness the even the fact the humanities were big piece of my education My dad allow reading loss views fourth. There was always the search. This connection with a larger discourse of who we are as human beings trying to answer certain existential questions similar question like why are we here. Why are we doing in a very openminded. It's exploring all sorts of schools of thoughts and philosophy and so forth but definitely through this. Deep study of humanities is the understanding that there's a deep connection across all cultures we are as human beings and for that becomes a moral imperative as a human being to to care of others or trying to leave a positive social footprint obscene. My life we while. That's that's a super profound answer. I'm glad to hear that So now moving on like how old were you when you attended. Say your first yoga class or first medication glass. Or you just picked it up holloway. Roughly i was in my mid thirties. So okay definitely not new. Grew up with it right. Like what i think my earth exposure actually to i'm more eastern philosophies was actually through a german writer his name his her manhasset and i read his books. Dr which is the story of radio avenue. When i was in high school seventeen eighteen. And that was my first into. There's different way of living my spirituality that like the catholic religion was fulfilling. I think it's a very basic human need and so again you know when when something i think when something is not explored develop in us as human beings. You always feel that something is missing even though you don't know what it is and so fast forward but you know mid thirties and so forth. I was living in l. a. indefinitely. Yoga was coming part of mainstream culture. And i remember somebody taking a class and even not knowing why feeling this sense of feeling okay. Wellbeing killing good if my body just attention to the breath in all these things like i need to know more so for years. I just simply practiced. But the whole picture didn't really land until i moved to the about ten years ago and i met a gentleman who is a former marine and he had found yoga to deal with is. Ats d. and l. Meant if up again there was a void that the aim was in providing the necessary tool in somebody look him to a yoga class introduced him and then allow them again. We have the shared experience of feeling the sense of goodness in the body that never experienced before without knowing why so he decided to Shared these tools with the military community and it just so happened. Life brought us to a conversation issue these stories and it all clicked for me Especially because here in the dc area. We have three large veteran population after duty military but also first responders emergency management personnel and so forth. And so it kinda old. The pieces came together. It resonated with me the population that i would like to serve and yoga meditation. Mindfulness techniques that was my in into it was a purpose to my practice. It was larger than myself while. I wanna do something you said which is so interesting. Woman from italy reads a book written by a german philosopher about the story of the buddha ends up in the united states works with. Us marines and that is the commonality of just yoga. Meditation think that's that's one hell of a story like that's really really cool. Thank you for sharing that And you think that like you know now that it's been x number of. How many years has it been. Now since you've been got involved in the yoga seen you know so to speak practicing about fifteen to eighteen years and actively teaching being involved in this conversation. I was seven years while very so just wanted us which topics a bit. You're obviously the founder of your company. Work well right yum so. Walk us through work. What is work while do for my listeners. Enlighten us so simply puts at office stress management solutions to corporate employees and better than first responders. Again might tools are Yoga meditation. you're gonna drop and we can go to specific To what is so. I position myself. It's non clinical solutions to problems. That are affecting is definitely western. Society should definitely like stress management and also The existence of the Trauma most of us whether generational trauma combat where. It's more injury complex from whatever it is. There are clinical tools are there. they're very valid. But there's also non clinical tools that I feel very effective and allow individuals to empower themselves in dealing with whatever affects their lives. And so that's how i position myself and working with both corporate clients dealing with work related stress burnout and so forth and at the same time working with the first responders for some forsman population allows me to continue to serve the ones who are serving us and at the same time provide tools fair largest swath of the population to Prime themselves for their brain for resilience but also having tools to deal with when pretty Bins how to self regulate and Being able to function more optimal level very cool. I think you said it. Best right the fact that you're equipped do kinda help out those who serve those. who like. Who's fulltime. Jobs are serve the rest of society right so that's very very pool that he worked so hands on with them Kinda i don't mean to put you on the spot of it but i'm just curious. I'm sure a lot of my listeners are as well how you seem work. Well let's say different from you. Know other companies that offer stress management solutions through will dacian and stuff. I definitely think and again. There's a lot companies out there doing similar things so i didn't invent anything discovered anything. These practices thousands of years right. So he's just a matter for me of becoming the becoming the vehicle to bring the ancient wisdom they intuitively has discern tau. There's suffering in human existence but there's also ways deal with that suffering thing. The buddha said the sufferings optional in terms of you know there is painting life things happen but then it is our response. The determines how we can mitigate that and so there's these ancient wisdom and now we're able to measure with scientific instrument through blood work at scans to emirates and so forth and see firma scientific standpoint. How this works in why works. So i see myself as they vehicle to bring the world's together and sharing in a way that it's accessible in cultural relevance to everybody regardless of their believes their position in life socioeconomic status gender physical shape. Whatever it is. So am i the only one doing that. Probably not right But i think my strength ability to translate these concepts for populations that have never been exposed to and they dog to a yoga studio because they think they either. They're not adequate their bodies not ready. Or maybe because they think this is all weird stuff you know i i mean honestly i think it's just a religion and you have to become hindu to practice yoga whatever. It is challenging. What i do is being the translator in the two worlds and share these tools in a way that resonates with everybody so they won To do what adapting to each situation instead of proposing a model that it's one size fits all while very cool very cool. So that's i agree. That's really cool secret sauce stab with any company especially i feel look. The age of globalization is upon us. Right we're only getting more interconnected. So i feel like the fact that you can bridge this gap you know. Unlike age-old they can easter practices to western. Audiences is really really cool. Yeah and obviously goes about saying to everyone listening. I'll be leaking the work. Well website in the descriptions. Well definitely have a look and spread the word if you think it might be beneficial. Also thank you for that Now little more on the personal front did you always gotta see yourself as an entrepreneur or did is that something recent blake. You definitely something. That is a little more recent. maybe it's cultural. It's something that it's very easy to the united states in italy and these the environment where i grew up you put tended more to have a job working for somebody else having that kind of job. Security indefinitely from bureaucratic standpoint leans in Harder to start a business here one of the great things about this country. There's definitely a lot of opportunities and old so this openness q. Take chris for what she believe into. So definitely that translation into american culture from where it was coming from a more like stabled way of thinking. helped me making that transition making it easier In also the only to the fact that is a matter where you are in life. there's always is alive. You can only shift things in startup byju resonate with you In also maybe i was just delayed boomerang bad understanding my purpose this dharma and understanding that i didn't have to choose between who i wasn't work and who i am as a human being but i could do something that brings everything together and it definitely. I'm not gonna lie. It's not always rainbows and butterflies Is art you you need to have. I think a lot of people in your life with professionally and personally you'd be a lot of support you're on your own from providing for your own healthcare retirement Creating business plan your marketing plan connecting people networking. And sometimes you can be doing all the right things. And the market is not there or condemning happens fry Everything you're doing before needs to be flipped upside down. I definitely enjoy the freedom. The creative freedom the autonomy independence And there are some moments there. Yeah definitely scary. The absolutely and i'm glad you said that because that's very you know. Real assessment of what being an entrepreneur is like. I feel like a lot of people. Just think it's going to be like mark zuckerberg from the social network. You know like it's just one big leg race so the doll but like you said you need birdie strong game you know and like mental strength to do it sometimes the not so good things about it. So thank you for that. one thing. i wanted to it's interesting. You mentioned the word dharma so both for you know. I'm sure some of my indian listeners will know what it is but we have a global listenership. So how would you get my leg. It's auden english word. Obviously right so how would you based on your understanding experience. How would you like best. Translate the word karma to our non like audiences that may not be familiar with our listeners. May not be familiar with the concept. Sure and for me. It's my life purpose. What i'm here to do at my life purpose. It's something bigger than myself right. That's what it is like finally event everything came together. This is what i meant to do in. This is how you know just didn't happen. You know the light bulb off process support trying to understand hell. I can serve better and For me my life purpose is to serve population. There are making sacrifices for the rest of us in old so Just share a little bit history of generational trauma in my family that as affected population might. My grandfather was a soldier. Were to from detail army and his army. She is familiar. European or this world history but italy was allied with the germans back then he was sent to fight the russians on the russian front and he can back trump ties. Alcoholic created a horrible situation family situation for my mom and so forth. And i think a lot of italy also experienced that because were to right but back then. It wasn't such thing as a ptsd diagnosis mankin home more. If they were fine. Great if not be a dual things that affected you know the rest Of of the population the families they community and so forth and so on. I met my friend justin a former marine and he was talking about. He's not a see. Everything clicked to from a personal standpoint. Finally understood this is war. My grandfather had gone through and again that that embodied sense of like this is what i'm supposed to do to heal myself but also providing resources and tools for other than maybe going through the same experiences and that's why a lot of what i do deals with Bringing yoga to trauma survivors. Who may benefit from any specific end of or. That's how my purpose right lab so definitely a population that Tyrian first responders so definitely goes because of their job. They're exposed to very severe event that illicit our survival response in response to trauma remains stuck in the body in her mind through body sensations in australia and so forth cuddled through through more loops in the brain. The prevent has to coming back to place a balance and so definitely those relations I taught in jail for while dot yoga tooth male and female inmates and staff as well and so i didn't know their history. But definitely the Joe environment is traumatic for say the fact that you know he doesn't have taken away All of that in then everybody there especially the women had history of substance abuse in sexual trauma and so forth. There's know that population. And then i just recently started working but some You affected by complex trauma and then again everybody's response to traumatic event is different but the cady way the number system reacts there's a couple of strategy to cope with that and so i don't need to know even what's behind it know that certain tools working in a certain way and then it's up to the person to the side which tools were very very cool. Yeah i think honestly. You know being an entrepreneur. Were kind of like you said finding your dr murad which life purpose and you find found out that your life's involved serving the under served as you put it. I think you honestly can't ask for more right if you're happy with what you're doing you think And you happen to give back to society with it. I think that's just you know like you. Hit all three check boxes so very very cool And so. I just kinda wanna like switch registered since we spoke about our mind. We alluded to this a little earlier. you also yoga. Obviously specifically has very strong like indicate eastern routes right. I mean zoom zoom. These are all religions that obviously have global appeal and a global following but the origin stories kind of began in. Would you say that most global practitioners or even global students right of these practices. You think they're kind of aware of that thing that gets lost in translation. Like what's your assessment being in the industry on how that sort of discourses handled. I think there's definitely an awareness of you know that there's a connection with india. I don't know how deep that understanding goes. I dunno she understanding exactly where in what historical time and The relationship again with like religions that were flourishing or originating at the same time. Like all of that. I don't know what the depth as i know like being in the yoga environment. You you go the full gamut of people who just go to class for the physical work right. And they may or may not know people who actually go to india and they go in stay there for a few months or a year and they experience you know everything exactly from the roads from teachers in india and so forth and so again there's Within the globalization within the you know using the sanskrit and using a -nology in using midst and mantras and so forth i think as non indian. This always that By i respect. This might not be pronouncing it right. I might not understand the full extent right always credit. Come right yeah. We need to be cautious. Not to just absorbed something in sending it out is if it's our own material no very true. I think like attributing it is very important right and i guess it i mean obviously you know being indian m bison that sense but the reason i i thought process came to my mind. Interestingly enough is i. Remember i took like a taekwondo class is one time and Like you said like many time. The practitioner will just focus span a heads up. It wasn't a japanese teacher. Teaching taekwondo so it was really cool to workout was great but i feel like we focus exclusively on it as if it was just the martial art partner which is fine. I was a great workout. But i was doing some independent reading later. I found out that you know like you said it's age old japanese brackish which is rooted in spirituality and stuff so i i definitely agree that attributing it to it's like origin origin story routes is very important out of curiosity of you ever been to india just curiosity or i never having to. I would highly recommend it whenever obviously in a post corona virus world of but. Yeah i would like these things. Like i would like to do that. And then cove it happened very definitely thinking about for a while I wanted to now. It's a great actor. And i think i would i. My hope is that look. Yoga's not going anywhere right. We can both agree on that leg and the more location increases more. We traveled more. We interact with each other. The more people are going to become aware of these practices. So i think my hope is that as we go on and yoga increases in popularity in the west. You know so does. It's like attributing and awareness do against the eastern routes But i think you've given me reason to be optimistic. Most practitioners have your mindset That's i wanted to touch upon something. You mentioned you spoke about how you know. Most people kind of do these practices exclusively for the physical workout which obviously graduates go workout. But it is a whole new era chemical process as well right And i think we at i mentioned this earlier. You were actually in. Dc one of the first people who told me about the mind body connection you also would you say that You know in your experience that maybe most people are not aware of this. They are aware. What's your date on. How how well-versed are people when it comes to understanding the mind body connection. I think it's definitely something that is coming little more to the forefront but there's a tendency especially at night only experience in yoga in the west right to credit card. Mental is right disappear right every become specialists the best in the world doing this and within that we lose this holistic vision of human knowledge and again you you know you and your listeners know probably better than i do that yoga's just not the physical practice. There's so much more than sexually like a very small piece of it. And then i always refer back to this ancient syntax this yoga sutras by potentially and this three sutras out of one hundred ninety seven ninety eight the talk about the centerpiece the physical peace and he just didn't set right and so in. It's it's only necessary to move to. So we can discharge energy and we can sit and meditate and the medicaid practice really juice the essence of it. All in something. Also that you don't get by going to tip the goal here in the west. Nobody really talks about yamanouchi. So you'd way we'd these ethical behavior towards ourselves toward others Still part of the ho- structure. So i want to say and that was my experience to when i first taking yoga like this is great. You know great shape by can breathe and feel good but all these other elements were missing and then once you understand it all makes sense indefinitely. I would encourage people to dig into this tax. The bagi dine definitely the trust just to go from the source and see what is this all about and there's plenty of great translates because they're they're they're dense tax the knock which raiding every majorie this feed on the subway or something right so right and so there's this great translations in sephora Just recommend to just get a little deeper into the practice and understand what it's all about so that you can get even more value out of it and what i always go back to explain and bring the science together Second sutras says the you'll guys the calming stilling. The fluctuation of the mind witch is relieved ability to regulate our nervous system understanding that these fluctuations thoughts and feelings in sation that we registered constantly. That's actually the cause of suffering. Is we believe that all of our thoughts are actually the true reality. And it's not just our opinion and our judgments and so to get the full benefits. I think we need to get a little deeper making friends with the whole philosophy of yoga understanding what. That's all about I don't how every teacher does. I don't think that's how the model here is in the west. I think the business model is that way. You want to get people to come sweat. Which violate is room. No sorry got you off. My connection laps forbid could use review said no i just said i don't want to criticize anybody like i. I'm not judging anybody on any yours to share a little more of the whole picture because that's old beneficial only works if you take the whole system together absolutely absolutely and i think that is very true One thing. I wanted to kind of you know only because you have experienced not only as a practitioner you have experienced interacting with so many people reaching people. So i feel like you're kinda really in the thick of these things. Why would you say. Most people are skeptical about say. The mental benefits are yoga medication. Bring about do you think. And using in any way it's linked to gyna- the stigmatization about mental health. Or do you think they're like non-related. I think this is my experience. Some people perceive these practices as foreign not just from like a cultural standpoint. But like something that. I've never done before so we should be. We like to note. You got it right exactly my experience. Even the people that harvey most resistance with few exceptions once they try it in. They feel it in their body like. Oh what is this. And i want more. So it's it's a matter of lasting in in being exposed to that allows for this gap to be filled. So i think there's a little bit of hesitancy and then again like here in the west. It's a lot easier to physical class that medication class right. And so you only get a bit event and the population. I work with specifically they have a lot of injuries limitations and so forth so even going to they always tell me like these west. You go to a normal studio. They feel inadequate. There's this you know this illusion that only skinny girls in stretchy fans you know do yoga and so big burly man with injuries and so forth might feel a little shy and so forth. So there's all these obstacle that we impose on ourselves. And i also i think actually what you're saying yes. They're definitely a stigma about mental health. But i notice that Sometimes the people who don't the wooden goto a mental health practitioner would give it a shot to to crack his meditation or yoga class because it's a non clinical setting and so they don't feel judged road feel like the end of their some into like. I'm just doing this thing on a yoga mat. So you might be actually an easier way to start to understand that martin mind body connection in a way. That doesn't feel cleaning. call you you. You don't have a disease disorder ryan you just trying something with your guts. Really think there's a lot of married. I saw sorry no continue. Sorry but especially with fire department. I work with their behavioral health specialists as well and so while he deals with the clinical stuff. That behavioral counseling We are very much in alignment on how these things work together. And so we lead presentations together to you. Know we bring all the pieces and what he does. Wanna one with the personnel. I do going to the fire station in. We do it on the mat in you know in an entirely different way but it all comes together so i want to save for like any job practitioner. Or even like you'll go facilitator. I always say he say teachers feel just so hierarchical any shouldn't if you're interesting to work with these. That make the effort to connect with the psychologist if europe is the behavioral experts and find a way to integrate to really work together. I think i think that's so awesome. Said that had. And i. Honestly i'm still kind of coming to terms with because it really is insightful. I'm not just saying you know. About how yoga could actually be a more preferable alternative for people struggling with mental health compared to like seeing a therapist because like you said is on a clinical setting is on like oh you need to see a shrink that kind of vibe you know and yen i think i don't want obviously compare do but they're both very useful but yoga is awesome. You know dealing with stress management dealing with the mind body connection. Yes let's that's while is really cool way of putting it and like you said you know maybe people are inhibited. They don't like talking too much That could also be better right. Goes in yoga dockings minimal. It's a lot of Yeah just doing exactly that. That's that's a really really cool way of looking at it just so not something. I wanted to ask you general so you would agree. That practices like yoga meditation and stuff they they have the power eight kind of i guess unite us all regardless of what culture country religion race were from It's fair to say that you know practices like yoga and meditation. These are like their religion agnostic. Race agnostic culture agnostic right. Allie focused on the person. And i think. Yeah i agree. That's a big reason. I am with your china's well so now at this point in time in two thousand red given your guess positioning in the industry you have a company that deals with the sorta stuff. You've been doing it recreationally for like fifteen years given all of that when you take a step back and kind of look at you know the yoga and wellness industry as a whole water like some of the things on the indicators that you know make you optimistic and maybe what are some of the i guess things that concern you. Go like okay. These are some things which like show me potential that this industry has the room grow and transcend these cultural unreligious boundaries. But what are there any things also conversely that gonna make you go like You know we should definitely change that about yoga. What would your take on that. He definitely i'm optimistic in the sense that even in the most commercialized form of at least you expose people to something that they didn't know andy. My spark and interest it can be shifting sided. They feel the yoga practice A when they're breathe being until forced might be like that little spark that allows somebody. Who's never heard of it or never done it before to wanting to find out more or continue growing with somebody else like I did my training. I was one of the two civilians. Everybody else was a veteran and never done yoga before but they were so to the point breaking the day wanted to find something and even without knowing how it was working but it was working so the ability to not just learn fools but will pay it forward and shared with other people who may need think that's incredible openness and like hope in that or even what i'm doing with law enforcement were doing with the fire department seeing the fire chief that actually and like you know the city county board like allocating money to introduce is practices to keep this population sane and safe and again the rest of us. I think all of this is incredibly wonderful. There's a ton of room to grow. But i think we're going into the right direction and i think I don't know awareness. Understanding of other cultures is joining all of us. Big favor even like the using sanskrit sometimes like people who may never learn them for language. They understand there's a different way of communicating even though it's like an old new language and so forth so it's creating older shifts and then you know liking everything Peleg's floyd that you know we could happen. procreation Not not giving this source says the credit. They deserve like things like that. So we i think we all have that personal responsibility in the industry should be as authentic as possible to what we're doing what we're shane are. We sharing like the utmost respect for the traditions. That preceded us it. Also don't over. Promise you know i never tell people like oh you do this. You're gonna be healed of your mom or you know whatever you hear. All sorts stories like the idea is to give the tools to people so they came power themselves and so and then. Of course it's common knowledge right. This idea like certain gurus that have taken advantage of their position of power in all sorts of ways and i mean i know in the west as happened. So there's always that were the option like you're dealing with something incredibly powerful so handed with care. I mean i power comes great responsibility so and so that's common too. I think all industries and for me like when do you handle something that it's not your own like when you are a book it you you. You're holding something that so much more pressure trivialize that but you have to be even more respectful and cautious in saudi share. That's very cool. And i think that is that is definitely the right outlook Just a couple more questions to what's been an amazing conversation. I wanted to you. You mentioned you know. Like hey i never tell any of my clients or students Whatever the appropriate terminology is people. You work with You never tell them like. Hey you're going to be completely free of altron do this right but that set and you said there's so many stories of people in the yoga industry talking about that bats deal have any you know personal examples or anecdotes of how. Because you've been doing it for a while you've been doing it for a while so any anecdotes of like how doing Axes for awhile. Have actually you know like you know like improve your peace of mind improved. Maybe your physical performance and brood. Anything whatsoever either mentally or physically or do you think it's just been like kind of a you take it day by day like my day to is a lot better like you have examples. There's both there's definitely. I can tell you that way i know works is when i'm not consistent. I heal it. I'm definitely more reactive. Not to situations when i have a more consistent practice and make the time for myself to take care of myself that way. I'm i'm definitely more capable of handling situations from a calmer more more rational responsive point of view or some versus reacting from a physical standpoint. Same thing you find a consistent practice. I can either prevent injuries or like start. You know keeling injuries. I very active so running lifting. Whatever you know get injured like everybody else. That usually helps me recover a lot faster. I have to say. Probably my favorite packages. Y'all gonna durham and you're gonna under simply means you probably know you'll sleep right. It has its roots in the shots but thirty five hundred years ago right there's ancient tax. Write the a kind of like medically of started sharing the wisdom of the betas. And you're gonna just the first races we found is in this ancient tax and so translated in modern terms. It's kind of a series of mindfulness techniques. They take your brain from an awake state. Radio lowered burr levels of consciousness. In you experience that too where you go into unconscious subconscious of the body. The brain can release trauma and stressors loops that are not beneficial without having to talk about it in it's incredibly powerful factors so i only started doing that about six years ago never experienced before in. I love it because you can do at any at any time at all you do on your back. Closure is make yourself comfortable it listen to sell taking you from this different through different level of consciousness and the first time i did like okay. I'm gonna take an app And i had need credible reaction to it ahead this republic full body twitch like half of my body lifted in twitched. Whatever and i came out of it. And i had this sense of sadness This had that something is shifted. I didn't even know what it more. The honestly i didn't necessarily like it. I wanna talk to teacher who i know very well and very well versed in these practices. I don't know if i like. This is just something that is been released was deeply store. Just go home. Take care of your out. Whatever in the next morning. I woke up felucca weight and be lifted while and i to this day i have an ideal corps could have been but i don't know i couldn't see near the practice and gone through several experiences of that and a half to say it's the practice that i asked me the most when they had that calls bad weeks. Whatever funny when i first started sharing it wouldn't even call jurgen address abate when you know noah creek out there like what is this then eventually now they taxi call me like hey can you come and bring us some new drink because we need and is the practice that allows them to restore the brain and their body. Nothing else they experience so very very powerful so that that's crazy and i feel like that's so insane when you think about it that yoga this practice like you said it's from the opener sheds wage for i guess know listeners. Who may be familiar. Age-old ancient in the decks right and that's mind-blowing if you think about how this practice which roughly translates what you'll sleep right. Said mentioned in the opening of helping firefighters veterans and people around the world today. Two thousand twenty. That is really mind blowing. Is it not Wow that's really cool. Thank you so much for sharing that and you would you. Would you would say that. Yoga is kind of a core practice that you know work well. Beaches of people at workshops. Yes very definitely something that has become more to the forefront but he's still like not offered everywhere. I was fortunate enough to be introduced to a teacher who is of indian descent. Her dad is One of the the indian googlers brought Yoga to the west and she grew up in astrum. But also she. You know here in the united states but she's also a clinical psychologist and so she's bringing together her scientific knowledge with her lineage. Legal bomba nation is not being a clinical psychologist apple. The yoga practitioner incredibly wealth of knowledge the ability to translate these concepts in this practices in a way. This is understandable. But there's always that connection with what was laid out for us is practices been. We're still doing it the same way and they work but now we can see actually a brain scan of what parts of the brain light up in. Why certain things happen. We can measure like cortisol levels going down dopamine level you know increasing Gaba or hormone that is unlike natural prozac released by the brain that increase is we can see through time. The thickness of the frontal cortex actually changing and growing areas. That are responsible for decision making a rational thinking. Also the areas that responsible for communication and compassion with others so We can see the hippocampus growing so an hippocampus is supplier. The brain that is responsible for memory formation in categorizing experiences it is definitely affected by a stress and trauma by overproduction of cortisol. Remember stress You'd actually shrinks in size. So we are less able to remember to learn In their poor like being creative and productive so we can just measure by continuing distracted that we have the effects of physical and functional changes inside the brain which is incredibly powerful. So i definitely recommend everybody to try and if you're interested there's there's some good. I lock my teacher can just because of who she is. But there's definitely people who read deeper understanding of the power of the benefits and how to you know show the scientific evidence of it all know. I n wow at. I think. I think it's so you spoke by that example because i didn't know that and I mean this whole conversation has just been you know like great. Great knowledge increased from his well. And i feel like what's really cool is if you think about it. If you're hippocampus could actually decrease in size and you know like your hormones like cortisol and dopamine their secretion levels also altered aren't those perhaps just a strongest examples of how real the mind body connection is right if the probably i can't think of anything relearn that that's crazy at you know like i said though doll listeners though work while descriptions in the bio if you're in the dnb area you should hundred percent hundred percent check it out and with that we come to the end of this interview. It's always great to hear from somebody who is an expert on all things stress management. Especially in such a stressful. You're in our lives claudia. Would you like to see a few words. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for having me today. Every enjoyed our conversation. And thank you for the listener for joining in and contributing to continue this discourse. If you just want to learn more about what. I do check out work. Well dot org and feel free to reach out if you have any questions at a great day bye.

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Morons: Just having some sprinkler fun  5-11-20

Bob and Sheri

06:45 min | 1 year ago

Morons: Just having some sprinkler fun 5-11-20

"Bob and Sheri you here they are. He's a Moron Complete Idiots aurons in the news star wars the last week. I don't know if it was anything that you were involved. But Pop Culture Phenomenon continues and people get dressed up as their favorite characters and that happened that if themed restaurant called Cocoa Bonilla Galactic Cantina in Alberta Canada to celebrate Star Wars Day. One of their female employees dressed in full storm trooper outfit wandered around the street that try to drum up some business not far from the restaurant. Well she was holding a toy stormtrooper blaster gun and a few people saw that and called the COPS. Apparently they mistook it for a real gun. Even though the woman was in full costume will the police showed up? They pulled their real guns on her pushed her to the ground handcuffed her and put her in the police car. It took about an hour before everything was sorted out and she was released without any charges. The owner of the restaurant says he's been talking with employees families about potentially taking action against the cops. You know it. Seems like an overreaction. Put the cops have to do with the? Cops have to. Don't you think that that could have been somebody with a real gun? Just trust this a stormtrooper right. I saw her. The costume was perfect. It was like a stormtrooper from the movies. Yeah I guess and this was in Canada right okay because the rules are different there because in the US if you're going to tackle a waitress dressed as a stormtrooper. I'm GONNA need you. Also have a word with the rifle-toting protesters at the state CAP. I agree with you. Stay I know that my saying block. But if we're going to go after stormtroopers with Leicester Gyns and have a word with them. I think that that should apply equally. How about you? I was surprised about that too. That people with AK47's we're not arrested on state capitol grounds. I don't want to get into a gun. Control thing I mean take your ak up in the desert and shoot whatever you WANNA shoot but right there in the on the steps the state capital in. I guess it was Michigan this now. This employee this restaurant employee. I don't know where she got her stormtrooper costume but it was. It was the most cream version of it. I've seen outside COMECON. It was amazing really. Let's go to Michigan where family has had an e moon names Darwin for a long time. Now he's pet. He's eight years old. Darwin escaped from the yard in their home in Milford Michigan. Darwin unlatched the gate and disappeared and neighbors have been asked to keep an eye out for Darwin because he's a flightless Australian. E-mu thank not indigenous to Milford Michigan. And they were concerned that something terrible could happen to own on the kids and the mom rushed into action when they got a call from a neighbor and the neighbor said. There's this weird looking giant bird playing in our yards for so they went running and sure enough. It was Darwin. Darwin was running through the neighbor's yard. Sprinkler and having a big old time. It was the greatest thing. That's the Moron of the day. Text the Word Moron. Two eight two six two seven four three seven. We'll not only send this to phone but you'll be automatically registered to win your very own bottle of people make me sick. Which is Bob and Sheri Hand Sanitizer? And let's stay in the Animal Kingdom Bob and go back to Canada where conservation officials are asking for the public to be on the lookout for a former pet snake that was accidentally released into the wild. The snake was found by a very caring animal lover who mistook it for a native species of snaking Canada and released it into the pit stock conservation area in Woodstock and the they now realized that that was not wild indigenous snake but pet that had somehow escaped from its home and they want people to find it because they're convinced that the snake will not be able to survive the winter or in the wild for very much longer since it's been used to be fed and it had a little name and a little house and abandoned everything and so they're asking. Please be on the lookout for this missing pets. You know. It's not the time to act like a complete fool especially on an airplane. But if you decide to do that and you're surrounded by United States Marines. It's not gonNA turn out well for you. A group of Marines were on a flight from Japan to Dallas and this passenger all of a sudden stood up and started screaming and making threats in mid Air Marines immediately. Got Up and subdued that guy you don't mess with the US Marines. Can't you usually spot a bunch of guys that you think at least could be marines? They're probably in their In uniforms I would. I would think twice about acting up on that flight and finally let's end in Oregon. I've got one more animal story. It's theme for your Monday. Others a restaurant called the rain bar and grill. And of course it's closed. You know they closed in mid April and I guess you can take out but the patio area. That was so popular right now. And as duck shows a planter in the patio of this restaurant to build its nest and lay its eggs and a peacock found the patio. They don't know where the peacock came from but the peacock came along found. The same patio saw the dog sitting on her nest. Eggs and the peacock decided to become the mom ducks protector. No kidding all that so sweet. The animals are taking over the peacock. If anybody comes by if you're out for a walk and you get too close to the planter where this is build its nest peacock. It's all protective and aggressive hisses and puffs itself up to keep you away. Isn't that the cutest thing ever? It is and listen. A peacock is a very loud animal when it wants to be at at sunset. If you've ever been on a farm where there are peacocks at one with Mary Last year they are as loud as can be. You don't WanNa mess around with those animals. Sweet they screen yet. They have been terrifying scream attack. All right is more onto the news straight ahead. We're going to check in with car thick of America. It's Bob and Sheri.

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Perejil (Parsley) Massacre Began / "The Obedience of a Christian Man" published - October 2

This Day in History Class

13:15 min | 7 months ago

Perejil (Parsley) Massacre Began / "The Obedience of a Christian Man" published - October 2

"Today's episode is brought to you by oxy clean. So I just moved to a new home, which means that I just did a lot of cleaning and one of my least favorite places to clean is the bathroom shower fortunately oxy clean versatile stain remover which meant getting in those next in crevices and getting into that dirty grout made the job super easy. You've got to try oxy clean versatile stain remover for yourself to work your magic with oxy clean go to oxy clean dot com slash try me in order a free sample that's oxy clean dot com slash t. r. y. m. e. for a free stain fighting sample while supplies last. At target each item you put in your car brings more good to life like a coffee brand that opens more is to black business natural laundry detergent that puts a lighter load on the planet wheelchair. Friendly. Halloween costumes that said, make believe in motion and make up a celebrates beauty and every shade peer. The good you want is always within reach because at target we believe in good we can all afford. Everyone it's eaves just wanted to let you know that you'll be hearing episode for me and an episode from Tracy Wilson Today Hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot Com and from the desk of stuff you missed in history class it's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Tracy Wilson and it's October second. The he'll massacre also known as the Parsley massacre began on the stay in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven. The name of this massacre comes from a Shibboleth, and if you're not familiar with that term how the a lot of different meanings today but its origins are from the biblical Book of Judges From The new international version quote the Gilead I`ts captured the fords of the Jordan leading to eat ram and whenever survivor of Ephraim's said let me cross over the men of Gilead. Asked him are you an Free might if he replied no, they said all right. Say Shibboleth if he said similar with because, he could not pronounce the word correctly they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan forty, two, thousand Mites were killed at that time. So the word Shibboleth was being used to distinguish the Gilliat I`ts from the free nights because e free mit couldn't pronounce the SH, sound and Shibboleth. In the Parsley massacre, this word that was used in this way was he'll, which is the Spanish word for Parsley in some accounts it was being used to distinguish the dominicans who mainly spoke Spanish from the Haitians humanely spoke creole and French, and who couldn't easily make that rolled are in he'll here's how it happened. Today Haiti and the Dominican Republic are both on the island of Hispaniola. This island was first colonized by Europeans after Christopher, Columbus landed there on his first voyage in fourteen ninety two. So at first, it was established as Santo Domingo under Spanish Control Spain later seated the western portion of it to France the French side of the island became independent after the Haitian revolution and then Haiti annexed the Spanish side of the island. So the whole island was unified from eighteen, twenty, two to eighteen. Forty four what's now the Dominican? Republic, I declared its independence from Haiti in eighteen, forty four, and then became independent from Spain in eighteen sixty five after world war two the United States occupied both Haiti and the Dominican Republic United States was trying to install pro US governments and to make the island more friendly to US policy. The US withdrew from the Dominican Republic Nineteen, twenty four and from Haiti in nineteen thirty four. But between these two withdrawals in one, thousand, nine, thirty, general Rafael. Trujillo overthrew Dominican President Harass Yo Vasquez, and he established a dictatorship. The general had been part of the National Guard and he could actually been trained by US Marines during the occupation he saw the whole Haiti Dominican Republic border region, which in a lot of ways was by cultural as a threat there was a threat to his regime. It was a potential way for rebels against his regime to escape. He was also motivated by racism and by anti-immigrant sentiment along the border and by nationalism. And a flat out desire for power I. HE ordered the killing of three hundred Haitians along this border and he announced that he had done. So saying that it was a solution to the problem of reported thefts and other depredations supposedly being committed by Haitians. He said this was a remedy and he promised that this remedy was going to continue a horrifying and brutal massacre followed with that word pedic. He'll being used in some accounts to distinguish between dark skinned dominicans and dark skinned Haitians. This test probably wasn't used for everyone and it may not have been very effective because a lot of people in the border region did actually speak Spanish regardless though the military was targeting the people with the darkest skin and that included the Dominican born children of Haitian descent most of the killings were committed with machetes. The total death toll of massacre is unknown because there were mass burials, huge dumping bodies and cover ups and censorship most estimates put it in the range of twenty thousand people and possibly many more. Afterward the Dominican Republic and its policies became increasingly anti-haitian. The Dominican government eventually was ordered to pay five hundred and twenty, five, thousand dollars of. Shen that was a really tiny amount of money considering what had happened and very little of that money actually reached any survivors. General trio and has government and the army faced new punishments or retribution for this massacre. Thanks to Eve's Jeffcoat for her research work today on this podcast eight Atari Harrison for her audio work. On this show, you can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcasts Google podcast wherever else you get your podcasts and you can tune in tomorrow for one nation second attempts to colonize another. What's it like to drive the Volvo xc ninety plug in hybrid? The thrill of four hundred, horsepower t eight twin-engine. The Joy. Of. Impromptu Road Travis. And Serenity. Of Electric Power in pure ECO. Mode. Visit a DMV evil retailer today to experience the xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid for yourself. GEICO Presents Monster Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling. No one understands how only these no one will even let me into their house I knock knock but they ignore me. What else I look in the Mirror I. Don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly can you be expect others to I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire but with gyco, it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. Hey I'm eve and you're listening to this day in History Class A podcast that proves history is always happening. October second fifteen twenty eight. The book the obedience of a Christian man by English. Protestant William Tyndall was first printed in Antwerp Belgium. In the book. Kendall said that kings were the head of their countries church and were accountable to guide not to the pope. The book is one of the key texts in the English reformation a period in the sixteenth century when reformers challenged the authority of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. Tender was a scholar and theologian. He was also a linguist who became fluent in several languages over the years including French Greek, Hebrew and Latin. But his religious views grew to be radical and controversial influenced by the reformation tyndall believed that only the Bible should determine the doctrine of the church. Also, thought that translating the New Testament into English would allow people to have their own understanding of scripture rather than one determined I the Catholic Church. The translation of the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church use the vogue eight was in Latin. So the Bible was read in Church in Latin which few people attending religious services could understand. But the church wary of anyone or anything that may challenge tradition required ecclesiastical approval of translations and readings of the Bible in English. Reformer John Wycliffe, and those who promoted his views known as lawler's were persecuted as heretics for their defiance of the beliefs and practices of the church and their translations of the Bible into English. But even though having unauthorized English translations of the scriptures could result in charges of heresy people still read English translations and reformers. The Bible as the highest authority of the Biblical? Word not. The pope. And tyndall was determined to translate the Bible into. English. Even after Church authorities in England refused his requests. He left England and fifteen, twenty five. He had completed his translation of the New Testament. And by the next year printing of the New Testament was complete. It was the first New Testament in English to be mass produced with the printing press rather than being handwritten. Thousands of copies of Tindall's New Testament printed by the time he was executed in fifteen thirty six for heresy and influenced later Bible translations including the sixteen eleven King James Bible. Ten also published other books in which he criticized the practices of the Catholic. Church. One of the most influential was the obedience of a Christian man though the original title of it is much longer than that. The book is divided into three main sections preceded by two introductions. The First Section Discusses God's laws of obedience the people bound to obey them. The second expressing how the people who have authority should rule. And the third affirm that the literal sense of scripture spiritual. In the book he said that worshipers should affirm the. Of the Bible over any other authorities like the Catholic Church and the Post. The book also claimed that God appointed kings who were authorities of their realms. Amblin owned a copy of the book which according to anecdotal evidence was eventually shown to King Henry the ape it's been claimed that the king liked the stance on people authority expressed in the book, and that the book influenced the Act of supremacy which declared Henry, the eighth and his successors, the Supreme Head of the Church of England instead of the pope. Those claims are unsubstantiated. Other Books Tyndall wrote include the parable of the wicked man and the practice of the prelate. I'm Jeffcoat in hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. If. You'd like to follow us on social media you can do. SO At t h thieves podcast on instagram twitter and facebook. You can also email us at this day at. HEART MEDIA DOT COM. Thanks again for listening and we'll see you tomorrow. 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Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain: A conversation with Lisa Barrett

Parenting for the Future?

1:16:24 hr | 4 months ago

Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain: A conversation with Lisa Barrett

"I am pedal modeste and this is parenting for the future. Welcome everyone on this podcast. We learn how to raise our children to find the unique voices. so they can positively impact. Your world neuroscientist. Dr lisa found unbagged is mother to one daughter. She is among the top one percent. Most cited scientists in the world over revolutionary research in the field of psychology and we will silence. She is a university distinguished professor at northeastern cheap with appointments at massachusetts general hospital and harvard. Medical she was awarded a guggenheim fellowship in neuroscience in two thousand nine nineteen and is a member of the american academy of arts and sciences as well as the royal society of canada. She's not of two books. How emotions are mean the secret life of the brain and the fascinating. Newly released book called seven and a half lessons about the brief. This new book is the topic of discussion today. Welcome needs such appearance for the future. We are really excited to happen here. Thank you so much for having me on your show. One of the very first things you talk about in the book is alice stasis. It's the process by which the brain the command center for body regulates our expenditures the things that take a tool on our bodies and our replenishes. The things that helped to build the buddy backup. Can you tell us a little bit about this analysis. It sounds like a buddy budgeting process. Yes exactly one of the most important jobs that your brain has is to control the systems of your body. You have many many systems in your body system for beating heart and circulating blood and respiration and immune system and so on and so forth and all of these systems require oxygen and glucose and salt and other nutrients to function. And so alistair says is a description of the brains predictive regulation of the body. Meaning that your brain is always with completely without your awareness anticipating the needs of the body attempting to meet those needs before they arise so an example is when your brain goes to stand you up. It raises your blood pressure. So that oxygen can get to your brain so that you don't fate because that would be very metabolic hustling hurt yourself and then you have to go through the process of healing and so you can think about as you said so beautifully you can think about many of the things that you do in terms of body budgeting when you sweep. That's like a deposit when you eat healthily. That's like a deposit. It turns out that when receive a hug from a friend or a loved one if that relationship is supportive that is also figuratively speaking like a deposit because it makes you were metabolic functions much more efficient and you can also think about Some of the things that we do as withdrawals. I mean the two most expensive things your brain can do is move your body and learn something new and so you can think about those as expenditures. That are kind of like in in the future where you're hoping to get some kind of payoff ever return on your investment but every insult that we bear every time when we feel lonely every time our brain prepares us for major metabolic outlay and that outlay doesn't come. These are all like withdrawals and you know each time. You know you make withdrawal and you don't replenish you. You sort of pay a little interest and that interest. Add up over time so just like in your actual financial budget. It's really good to make sure you have the money there that you want to spend and not burrow into the future and same thing is true for a body budget. That's interesting to me lisa. Because i'm thinking about happiness. I'm thinking about contentment. I am thinking about choices. We make in terms of how we view failure or disappointment. And i'm wondering if some of those choices or or some of the things that bring us contentment and happiness and so on evade turnout. Then to be like deposits you said. Disappointment and insults. And so on are like withdrawals. Well maybe you know you and i am. The rest of our. Listeners are not wired to feel every set every change in our bodies that occurs with body budgeting so as your brain is directing body budgeting your body ascending sense data back to your brain and about those you know beating your beating heart and you're expanding lungs and and so on and so forth and we are not wired to experience. The sensations directly experienced them unless something goes wrong actually become sick so we experienced them as simple feelings of pleasure and ten men and comfort or displeasure and distress or feeling really worked up doing really twang tranquil and calm and so these simple feelings are with us every moment of our lives. They are not emotions they're really properties of consciousness. There part of what it means to be conscious. And you know so when you're working really hard say you're exercising and you're basically you're bringing in as much oxygen as you can in expelling as much carbon dioxide as you can and you're burning a lot of glucose at some point you're going to feel really crappy potentially and that is not a bad thing that actually means that you're making a big withdrawal but it's a withdrawal. That is long as you replenish. What you've spent and you sleep properly. You eat healthily hydrate and so on as long as you replenish. That's a great investment in a healthy brain in the future. Sometimes feeling bad is an indication that changes in progress and changes always expensive but sometimes change is good. So i would say it depends. You know there's a saying that the us marines have which is you know. Pain is weakness. Leaving the body. And i kind. I kind of like that saying because it captures the idea that sometimes you have to work hard in order to achieve something and that's like making a big investment sometimes over longer periods of time and similarly feeling comfortable is great but if you avoid a challenge it actually. It's not healthy for your brain. Your brain is a kind of use it or lose it oregon. If you avoid discomfort in you avoid difficult things in the short term. It means that you're not experiencing a body budget deficit but in the long term. It also means you're not making investments in that's Makes complete sense. It's so you put it so wonderfully so. I also like all the great nine bleak fax that i feel a part of every lesson the book for example we have a hundred and twenty billion neurons which fire off communications to each other all day and all night creating about a hundred trillion neuron connections. I was like okay. I can't even imagine these. You know these numbers but interestingly i don't we found rise about this so you have to tell me it seems like the the neurons told all speak to each other that they some of them anyway seem to have very much like we do their own skier neurons. They seem to communicate with most do. Specific neurons has specific roles. So that like those in the prefrontal cortex where things like decision. Making and moral judgement happen are those neurons are dedicated to those functions is. Is that how it works. So i i just wanna say. Isn't it totally cool that we have a brain. Each of us has a brain. That's made up of you. Know give or take one hundred twenty eight billion neurons and it produces mental experiences that can't fathom what trillions and trillions and trillions right. I mean we're just a bunch of brains trying to figure out how brains work so a it's like the most complicated thing in the universe is right between our ears and we were trying to figure it out. I just yeah. I just think that's really fun. And kind of remarkable and that's kind of what got me interested in writing this book in the first place like why do we even have a brain. Lots of ami brains. Sometimes it seems like lots of people don't have rains either. So what's going another. That's another conversation. That is another conversation. But i would say yes. You're again you put it really poetically be beautifully. It's not the case. Every neurons speaks to every neuron. That would be really expensive. Metabolic lee and it would also reduce the complexity of your brain and when i say complex the i'm speaking of that in a really kind of formal mathematical way. That the fact that you can have you know one hundred twenty eight billion neurons that are bathed in a chemical system that can take on trillions of patterns. That wouldn't happen if every neuron was connected to every other neuron and so there are differential connections and when we say connections were really using that term metaphorically because neurons are not literally soldered together. They speak to each other through. Each neuron has long a kind of electrical thread. But you know in order to speak to another neuron usually there're chemicals involved and so you know. Chemicals are ejected from the end of one long the long electrical thread and they're picked up by the next neuron so to answer your question. Yes there are. I guess arrangements of neurons. Where sumner on. Speak more to each other than to groups of neurons. That being said. It's a debate. I would say about whether neurons are dedicated to a single function. The general evidence seems to indicate not so it's not the case that neurons in your prefrontal cortex dedicated to moral reasoning or to decision making and it's not the case that neurons in your amid della are dedicated to emotion and it's not even the case that the neurons in your visual cortex are dedicated to vision even the neurons in what we call visual cortex. Carry information about hearing and about touch. It's not the case that every neuron does everything by neurons. Do more than one saying particularly when it comes to you know psychological the psychological phenomena that. We're trying to explain. Okay okay got it. So what about the brain's ability to configure itself into distinct neural pathways. I think in the book that is actually signed as complexity. You can also correct me in that. What does this allow us to do. Well the idea that a set of elements can configure themselves into multiple patterns and then act as a unit to produce something that none of the elements could produce on their own that is complexity. So we're we're really familiar with complexity in our everyday lives so for example. When you bake bread you take bunch of elements ingredients and you put them together. And you produce something that is more than the sum of those ingredients. The brain also works this way the fact that your brain can take on trillions and trillions of patterns means that your brain it can Not just re implement or re conjure lots and lots and lots of memories from the past. It means that your brain can actually combine bits and pieces of your past to produce brand new experiences that you've never had before next. This is called conceptual combination in psychology in. It's called generative In nara science. But the general idea is that i have this great example that a us. Sometimes i'm giving a talk in. It's a set of electrical towers jumping rope. And when you look at it you immediately can see what it is but in your real life you've never seen electrical wrote before and not only that but you can just by looking at this image you can hear the towers hitting the ground and you can feel the thaad of the towers in your chest and so what your brain is doing. is jenner. typically putting together its pieces of past experience so that you're not experiencing blind to this image. You can see it and understand it for what it is and even leave never encountered it before and your brain is also conjuring experiences that you're basically having a controlled hallucination. You can hear something. That's not there you can meal. That's not there. But this is actually how your brain works. All the time it's it's a really nice illustration of what's going on under the hood. Yeah so for weeks night. Husband has been trying to get the entire family. Watch a documentary. I think is on that. Fakes called my octopus teacher. And so good. So good i love. I've watched it twice. I love this documentary. i love it. Well i think. I think after our discussion because we've been ignoring him. I think after discussion. I have to do it because one of the things that that you say in the book and i could hear by your reaction to the to the documentary. You say that you're not the only species With such highly complex brings and the doctor buses have been to so so tell us a little bit about other animals. That display the this intelligent widen. Yeah yeah many. Many many animals have remarkable abilities That stem from complexity of their nervous systems in particular their brain. So octopuses for example. Are they're very very clever. Animals they can solve problems that they've never encountered before they they have a brain that are they're organized very very differently from ours. They're distributed all over their body people debate about the definition of intelligence. But one way to think about intelligence is the ability to take past experience and combined in new ways to solve problems that you've never encountered before right so yeah so we neuroscience we call this for having an information gaining nissim where you're where you're not just recapitulating what you know. You're actually gaining knowledge just by using it and Octopuses do this in in very interesting ways. And they also. What's really interesting about them to that. And what's it's actually. You can see this in the documentary in a really sweet way. Is they forage for information. Just like we do they search. They sometimes will engage in behavior in novel behavior. Just for the purpose of exploring their environment. And we do this all the time and we do it because it's a good investment right. Yeah birds that have very complex brains in this. Is i think important because you know as far as we know. Birds and octopus don't have the cerebral cortex we think of as being sort of the pinnacle of a to. We asked think of the pinnacle of intelligence. Yeah birds for example. Don't have a cerebral cortex. I mean they share all the same neurons types that we have that all mammals have actually so really all vertebrates probably have these neurons but they're organized in a somewhat different way and some birds. Can they problem solve. They used tool. They use sticks and things like that as tools they copy each other and some of them like crows have a root rudimentary symbolic language bees. Also they have incredible complexity as a group. They communicate to one another in abstract ways their their body movements have symbolic meaning to each other. There's a wonderful book by the evolutionary biologist. Kevin leyland and he wrote. This book called darwin's unfinished symphony. And in it he vibes all of the fascinating things that animals can do and many of them can do things that humans can't do and that we you know we endow these abilities to our superheroes in movies and comic books no and the animal kingdom is filled with really miraculous complex brains and ours is a very good example of that. Yeah this is fascinating. And as you were talking. And i i was thinking about. I own experience observing nature and bs. I remember when i was a little girl. i had a relative who was a beekeeper. They really do seem to talk to each other. They have their whole sort of the ecosystem figured out and combating. Give us this book. I thought a really wonderful children's book that someone should do. Maybe keynesian maybe an illustrator would be to look into the natural history of some of these animals and look at the remark. Just the remarkable things they do so might when my daughter was very young we we had a very big backyard at one point and we would take her on bug hunts in the backyard so when we see an aunt you know carrying a grain of food or something or leaf back to back to the anthill. You know we would tell her. That aunt is carrying fifty times. It's it's yeah you know. Or or look at that ant crawling up the side of the wall. That's like think about that. Could you call it exactly so curing wonder and curiosity for your children is a gift that will pay dividends in the future for. That's that's absolutely beautifully said lisa and so very very true and i think sometimes we forget that it might take them on a nice holiday. We have a big a big backyard. Or you know. I will not in the grass with that right over. Not just checking out all the little creatures We're happy for them to have a pool to swimmin- but you know we don't take to the seaside really take our time. Look at all the you know. The difference crabs or other seal as you know see live so it's a very good reminder for us. Thank thank you for seeing that unfit saying it. Ingest that week you wonder no you. Also debunk some myths about the breed in the book. What are two minutes that maybe even parents still believe now. that you clear up in the book well two myths and i guess one is the extent to which brains are born under construction and i think a lot of times in our culture in particular. We tend to understand other people's behaviors as being caused by intention so for example. If your if your child is dropping grapes or cheerios or bananas on the floor and you pick them up in your child. Drops them again and you pick them up in your chops. You might come to the conclusion and right now. He's signed to drive you crazy. Driving has you are being driven nuts. But it's it's also possible that what your child is attempting to do is understand how something works in the world and you are part of that world for your child. No your child's learning a couple of things when he or she is dropping food on the floor and you pick it up their learning about gravity. They're learning they're learning about the physical properties of the world. The other thing they're learning is that their agents ryan world and they can affect things and you want them to have that you want them to agency because even though it might annoy the crap out of you when they're little that will pay dividends later in life and so. I think it one thing to remember is that you are always guessing what is going on in somebody else's mind even a little even a little tiny brain right. You're guessing you are not reading that that you don't read people's emotions by their face you don't read their body. Language movements of the face and the barbie are not let a language to be read like words on a page guessing. Your brain is guessing based on past experience based on what you've been exposed to yourself so i would say you know it's really important to try to think about the things from the child's perspective and try to avoid what we call curse of knowledge. This is something. I don't address directly in the book. But i think it's definitely bear. If you read between the lines. Your brain is always using your pass to predict your immediate future which becomes your present. You an i experience our listeners. Experience the world as if we reacting to things that we see and we here but actually rains are always predicting they're like little scientists. This is something that i talk about. It might earlier book. How emotions are made that. Your brain kind of works like a scientist. It's making guesses making predictions and then it's checking those predictions against the sense data. And if you remember that this is how your brain works and it's also how your child's brain works and then what your child experiences do in the world is is phil populate or wire his or her brain to be able to predict in the future has babies aren't born with you know they're leading don't have to pass to be right. Yeah exactly experience. Yeah yeah and so even though you may feel annoy. I what your child is doing. Your child's goal may not be to annoy you right. Okay thank you lisa. Try to remember that. That's that's what friends and family are good for you with you know we. We constantly reminding each other like it's good. We're going to be so happy when she twenty by now. Now i actually. I actually saved by two girls. one is thirteen. one is four. Think that i i say to them. You know you see all this nice strong will that you have was going to serve really well in the world what i would like. Could you just need at the door when you coming picking up out the next day. Pajama really but but you know this is. This is a great segue into into my next set of questions which which relate specifically to to the human brain and the brain of a child. You used the phrase that i thought was quite funny in the book where you said like no matter. How cute your child is the truth. Is that human. Newborns are a little bit pathetic compared to the newborns of other species like horses or chickens casino these creatures are born. They know how to walk almost immediately. How to control their bodies for takes about twenty five years or so before we acquired full adult auctioning. But that doesn't mean to your point that has parents are the caretakers of the of the buddy budget of our children. So my first question and that is how do we keep their budget. Salvat salvant And also what impact does are the state of our own buddy. Budget has an ara ability to manage our children's but oh my goodness yes both fair very wonderful questions so i. We are the caretakers of our children's body budgets when a baby is we'll say we are the most pathetic animal right so there are. We beat some animals like hamsters and guinea pigs. And they're they're born like they're these like you know little these tiny little creatures that they're they're like little jelly beans but i mean if you think about it infants they have to learn to put themselves to sleep and they have to learn actually even to nurse. The baby has to cannot regulate her own body temperature so we do many many things to regulate an infant's body budget and we we make many many deposits into the body budget so that the infant can make expenditures run because the infant can't make her own deposits. We do that. I guess one thing to realize is that many of the things that we do that don't have to do directly with food or water or anything. Physical actually have the equivalent of a physical deposit into a body. Budget is for example. Infants don't know what is relevant. And what is not relevant in the sensory world. Right when you and i and most adults who have neuro typical brains our brains are wired in a way to have a spotlight of attention to pay attention to certain things and focus on those things and other things become background noise and we can bring those things into the focus of our attention easily. So for example. If you're sitting down right now there are many sensory cues. That are outside of your focus of attention but the minute i mentioned the chair pressing up against the back of your legs. Or maybe the sound of a heater or an air conditioner or there are things that are present that we we largely ignored but an infant doesn't know what to ignore right and what to focus on. And now because their brains aren't really good predictors yet and remember what i said that learning something new is is pretty expensive metaphorically so a lot of what we do with our children is we reduce that expense by with eye contact. For example we share the gaze of our infants. We entrain there as we look at something. We encourage them to look at something. And then we look back at each other. And then maybe we name that thing we curate. We shape the environment. Into what what. Scientists call a niche the hearts of the parts of the world that matter and We teach children just indirectly by our actions in by our words by our gaze what is safely ignored. And we do this without thinking about it if a child is neglected. Let's say there are a number of reasons why a child might not get the degree of caretaker attention that she needs then. The infant is sort of left to her own devices to try to figure out what is relevant. And what isn't and that's just expensive and and you can see the traces of that expense. It leaves a mark on the nervous system that makes that nervous system vulnerable to illness later. Metabolic illness later in life. It's not like any one instance seals the deal. It's that every single instance kind of nudges. The infant's brain in a particular trajectory and not some other should So over time you know each little time each time something. A child is neglected. That child pays a little A little taxed and it adds up overtime. And so i'm not saying you have to pay attention to your children every second of the day because part of good parenting is knowing when to step in and went to step back. There are some basic functions that we do serve for our children and when those functions fair even when we mean well there is an impact that is occurring on on the wiring of their nervous systems. And so. when you asked me you know what about our state of our own body budgets. Yeah yeah that's a. It's a really serious issue. And it's a particularly serious issue right now even before kobe. It was a serious issue. Because we're living in a time when and depression rates are aren't record. Yom yeah and you know and depression in chronic stress depression. You can think about as kind of a bankrupt. Body budget and depression actually is does have metabolic. Underpinnings and maternal depression has very very serious outcomes for children and there are some you know animal models which suggests that the the traces of maternal separation lack of maternal responsiveness to infants can carry across several generations. So i know it sounds very dire but we're not talking about one single mistake or one single episode talking about years and years stained disdained exactly really cool thing though is that humans are social animals and even if we don't get support for our nervous systems from our parents for whatever reason we certainly can always get them from someone else. Yes like a grandparent. More an answer. An uncle even a sibling and there are other sources of resilience as well. But i think the important thing i guess to to know if there's an analogy there that's really important in that. Is you need to take care of your own body budget. So that you can take care of your children's Being a caretaker is very stressful on a body budget in fact caretakers of parents and caretakers of ill spouses and so on. Scientists studied those caretakers as a model of chronic stress. It's not that different from taking care of a newborn except that you get something back. Those babies in those kids do make posits back into your body by selassie and thank god it seriously and for years to come. My daughter is just about to graduate from college early. Congratulations thank you. i. I mean i i'm a little. I mean happy for her. But i'm also sad that she her senior year wasn't a perfect senior year right. My husband and i were looking at pictures of her when she was a baby. And those were very big deposits in my body budget. Last night i will. I will say being that the point being that that these because we do have memory experiences can can nurse longtime. It's very clear that in our role as caretaker. We helped to give to our children of the wiring instructions. That they will need as their brains develop an obviously. It's not just what we do or don't do in the whole there other things other instructions so to speak. They're coming from from outside of the home as well. You talked about it. Process call fastest Which i think is sort of summarizes this this idea that all of this information. That's coming into. The baby causes their neurons to fire together that to obviously changes and develops the brain on nudges it to more complexities. So they're progressively becoming more responsible for their own body budgets but as we were talking about the city you used two words that i feel are really great words and maybe they are scientific terms tuning and pruning tunings to be however you strengthen but pruning seems to be you know what you're doing strengthen what falls a we. Can you tell us a little bit about those two processes as part of getting the wiring. Going for the baby. While i can. But you're doing such a fantastic job. I'm not really sure that. I have much to. Your baby's brain is born waiting for a set of wiring instructions from the world and the wiring. Instructions come from the physical world and from the social world and i mean is quite literally wiring instructions because your babies born your babies born with neurons that have many many many more connections than are needed. It's called an exuberance of connections and the reason why is that the baby is the baby's pavane breath is very very flexible so that it can wire itself to manny manny different environments the environments that we live in our different both physically and socially and we have many different cultural sets of cultural values and practices and norms all this is variability in our species. Which is really good. It protects us as a species from going extinct to some extent. So what's happening. What's happening in a baby's brain is always happening in every brain. It's even happening in our brains. This very second is just in a baby's brain. It's just a little more it's quicker and it's a little more dramatic. And so you know your brain is kind of a use it or lose it oregon. The connections between neurons are used are strengthened and the connections. That are not used die away because they're expensive. You wouldn't wouldn't want to have them around and actually what's really interesting. Is that just a short time that we're talking to each other are neurons are sending out little nubs. They're growing in these little ways. Like foraging for information and when you are. I learned something new there. Those little knobs are available to kind of capture that that new information and the ones that that the little nubs that aren't used back and so this is actually happening. It's really it's amazing and it's happening with your infants for example if you expose your children to the sounds of many languages not just on television but actually by live human speakers The baby will is able to hear the sounds and respond to those sounds for many many many different languages but if an infant grows up in a a home where only one language spoke spoken. The baby's brain will be tuned to the sounds of that language and it will be in the ability to hear the sounds and even later make the sounds of other languages will be pruned away. The same thing is true with with anything anything that you you teach your children so for example if you expose your children to many many many different types of people and you ignore the The the sort of dominant divisions in any culture just think about it people very all kinds of ways. They vary in height varying way. They vary in skin. Tone vary in hair hair-color. They vary in color. They marry in all kinds of ways. And if you expose your children to variability your children will become perceptual experts in that variation so the reason why for example people of one ethnicity or one. Racial group have often trouble dealing individual different. Another yes yet didn't just i. It's just something called perceptual expertise and we don't have experience seeing those features those variation in those features. You just won't attend to them as well and what's really interesting is that is that infants. Can they can learn about this variation so quickly but they can also lose that capacity to recognize that diversity. Also very quickly. What you're actually encapsulating here is. Is something extremely powerful apps appearance to know and understand. So let's say we say okay. I want to. I want my children to be To be multi lingual right so like you say they need to hear the language in need to hear it spoken by human voice not just in some other passive way but if you have people speaking different languages expose them to their sort on a consistent basis from the time. They're really young. Let's say you want your child to to love music of some sort. Maybe classical music reggae music. Whatever and you consistently to the chaz connection to those things can you then really end up with a child who is either multi-lingual to to use her example or war probably becomes a classical pianist. A reggae singer. I'm combining what i know about the development of the brain with wonderful research that in writing that has been done by the developmental psychologist alison gopnik. When she has this idea. Based on on research that parents should think of themselves as gardeners not as carpenters That what you should be doing really is not sculpting your child into some specific a concert pianist or a reggae singer. That what you wanna be doing really is kind of tending the soil so that whatever they become a they'll flourish because they're supported and they have they can they can forage for information and figure out what they like For example i would suggest if you want your child to you if you want your child to be a concert pianist. That's fine for you personally. Have that desire route but what you should be doing really is not just exposing your child classical music. You should be exposing your child to all music even music. You personally don't like and you should be giving that child the opportunity to learn how to work with instruments even even instruments that you aren't fond of so if music is important to you You know get your kid a keyboard to to to press you. Know the keys on even even when they're young and are dying. They're just gonna make making noise on that keyboard or you know. Allow them to listen to and sing along to all kinds of music. Play games with your child around music because what you would be doing is really setting the stage. Your wiring the child's brain to have variety and to be able to make choices later about what they what kind of music they like. We are social animals and part of what that means is that means many things but one of the things that means is that we learn from each other and we copy each other and little children do like to copy their parents and day. You know my daughter when she was little love to wash the dishes because she saw her dad washing the dishes and she wanted to wear exactly the same gloves and exactly same apron. And you see. That's why we have little kitchens and little hours for sure so if you love classical music you can show your love of classical music to your child. But i i wouldn't only expose your child to classical music i would. I would be more of a gardener. And i would when our daughter decided to give up piano and become a heavy metal drummer right. And what did we do. We bought her a drum and we got her some lessons. Music crappy little drum pad wasn't we're not investing a lot. Bet the point being that your job is to curate. The environment that is going to provide the wiring instructions and everything that you do nudges your child's brain in one direction or another. You don't have to be thinking about this in with everything you do. But the but the point is that variety is the name of the game. I think yeah variety and making sure that you're that you are making sufficient deposits to allow your child to To forage and spend and deposits. Don't make sure your kids to bed on time and make sure your kid eats. Hopefully it means those things but it also means not being judgmental when they fail right it means encouraging them to try something and fail and notice that it's okay to to try something and fail and pick yourself up and dust yourself off get right back to it that these are things that you can do to kind of ease the burden of your child's spotty budget so that your child can use their resources. I for something better. And you mentioned earlier. That learning is one of the brings most expensive activities and so at it takes a tool and sometimes it feels unpleasant right out and but but just in keeping with what you're seeing. It's also important that we don't interrupt that unpleasantness very often. Because it's a deposit in the future writes something that's the that they're going to benefit from learning a new skill learning new language learning whatever. It might not always feel pleasant but if we would allow them to experience the unpleasantness to extend their buddy budget. That way then. They don't get the payoff much later on because it is both an expense on a on a long-term deposit and one thing one thing. No one really told tells us right. Is that how hard it's going to be to watch your kid struggle with some. Yes and when you when you want to interject and fix things for them you have to ask yourself. Are you doing this for them. Are you doing it to regulate your own discomfort in wanting them struggle because sometimes we do wanna step in. Sometimes we have to step in. Sometimes they need us to step in. But sometimes it's better to wait and let them try to work it out themselves and figuring out when to step in and went to step back is really really really hard and when you make a mistake as you will yeah. You have to be compassionate mindful and compassionate. And what i mean by that is if you're mindful of when mistakes occur as a parent very very few screw ups will determine your child's future like there are lots and lots and lots of opportunities to try again and if you're compassionate with and your honest about when you made a mistake you're gonna learn from that mistake and continually improve being a parent at least from. My perspective is a journey. It's always a journey. I agree with you. And it's so interesting because i i am thinking back to two previous interviews that i did. It was veteran books. One author wrote a book of gift of failure and the other book was called the formula. It was really this idea that authoritative parenting so the parenting. That was big on deposits. But not big on carpentry were gardeners they. They put the work in the provided the stimuli. They provided the experiences a listened to their own children. When beautiful freeze from that book was a be a student of your children or your child so that you are seeing how the child got volving and you being more responsive to that you're letting them try things you're letting them lured but you're also to your point being compassionate to to yourself and learning when you need to step in and when you when you when you need to step back lisa you know. The goal of their compensations on this podcast is really the healthcare an steeton their understanding of the phenomenon. Achieving the future so that they are better equipped to raise their children to thrive in the world. They will come of age and an understanding. The wheel minds were. The wheel brings is really important to that. We have all of these gorgeous that we are dealing with a prevent our children the world over from driving from poverty racism to gender discrimination to the impacts of climate change. And so i kind of would like to explore with you now. How we might look at some of the lessons. We learned in this wonderful book of yours and apply them to tackling some of these problems. So let's stop with poverty. According to unicef about three hundred fifty six million children across the globe live in extreme poverty. Another one hundred fifty million will actually added to that number because of cuvette what happens to the breed of a child who is born and raised extreme poverty. Scientists don't like to use the f. Word fact we don't we don't like the word fact because everything is contextual and has the probabilities associated with words of probability in and the public. Here's a here's that his hedging but really it's this is this is the way that phenomena aren't you can never really call something fact except i think that the evidence on the effect of childhood poverty on brain development really is as close to coming to a fact is we can possibly ever get to. There are both physical and social consequences of poverty and poverty it will can alter both the physical and the social wiring instructions that brain that infant brain gets. And there's really no question i think. At this point that poverty will detrimentally affect the development of an infant or young child sprain and sets the brain ops were wires the brain in such a way to make more likely that that brain will turn into a person who is more likely to develop illness in in teenage years or in in adolescence or in adulthood so the number of instances of adversity directly predicts how the likelihood of depression anxiety diabetes disease in so on later in life to year also influences the development of the brain isn't say that the brain is not developed optimally and so sometimes this leads to behavioral problems. It can lead to problems in self-regulation. The problem is that we start to see these manifestations of these problems right around the age when we start to assume that the children are developing into people who will be responsible for the. If you set the if you set a brain in a sub optimal environment you might not see the consequences of that for several years but those consequences. We'll be there and even for children who look resilient right where they come out looking okay you you don't know what their brains would have been like if they had been in a in. An enriched environment. Maybe you'd have another einstein. Maybe you have another darwin you you know. Maybe you'd have another nelson mandela. You don't know. Yeah so you know because you can't run the control condition being so in the united states we hold people accountable for the harm. They cause when those harms our foreseeable right. You can't get in the car the wheel of a car if you're drunk because the the the harms that you could potentially cause are foreseeable and i think it's pretty clear at this point that the harms that are caused by poverty are foreseeable. One of the things. I try to do in. This book is not so much. Tell people what to think as much as to invite them to think. And and when i get close to expressing one of my own opinions i usually try to flag it by saying i'm taking off my lap coat now. I'm telling you what i think. And this is one of those times that we can haggle with each other about the morality of poverty. And who's to blame and whether we should be helping people living in poverty or not but that is never going to be a winning strategy if we look at the past what is potentially. Winning strategy is to say to people especially in industry and government. Look you know. Think about brains as The investment in the future. This these are the innovators and you know teachers and Scientists and entrepreneurs of the next generation. If you don't treat those brains properly you will pay a price young pay today. You'll pay eventually and if you pay later it's bigger. It's a much more expensive proposition to deal with the problems of Developing brains in childhood poverty once those brains are developed. Yeah you might as well nip the problem in the bud. It's completely solvable. Problem if people have the will to do it. I feel very strongly about this. Because i understand the neuroscience behind it and what's at stake you answered my follow up question which was really how can be as parents. Use the science bring development to advocate against it. And you've answered it. I mean to use your your phrase in the book. It's a completely preventable tragedy yet. I mean look. No child should ever be separated from their parents unless that parent is abusive. No child should be unable to get a full night's sleep warm comfortable place. No child should be deprived of the basic nutrients in water that they need. That should just be a global. The human right. Yep yeah exactly exactly and not. Because we're nice night but because we understand that this is a resource and this is this is. That's really how. I would argue it. Then he's a human capital issue. I actually think that you should think about. Ah ted talk or something of that nature where the angle is is this. You know it's it's because it's not always the way that people look at these issues. You talk about gender discrimination. You talk about poverty. Talk about racism. You talk about any of the things that we are. We we can discuss here in terms of phenomena shaping. The future and a less people really understand. I think you do a marvelous job at really understand that lock you. We don't do this now. If we don't make these investments now you think. Climate change is an existential threat. Well okay this. So is the exactly. Yeah exactly this is big. This is this is really so. let's look at. Let's look at something else unless this you had something you wanted to say. Sorry no that's okay. I mean it's an issue in my heart. I will you know one of the reasons. I wrote this book. I mean. I brought this book. Because i wanted people to see what i see. Which is that neuroscientists. Fun in. it's interesting but also science like philosophy are tools for living. Yes and i wanted people to understand that and i fund kind of easy way. I also wrote the book. Because i have friends who work with refugee services and who have to talk to governments and i think it's really necessary to have a little book. That's easy to read that you can play into the hands of government officials or people at the at unicef or the. Who read this. It's important It was explain some things to you that maybe you need to know will influence your policy decisions In a way that will be helpful to know. And you do that. You do that. Remarkably these which is why. I was so thrilled to. Have you have you to an empty. So sometimes you just miss. Be mr beale. The real visa on why so much of this is important. I do wanna talk a little bit before we sort of start to wrap up here about the social constructive reese because here is another element of of our existence that really does determine in so many ways what happens to each of our children. You talked a little bit about bringing up in sort of a homogeneous household or or environment. I wonder too because you did also expose your children to a lot of different people and different appearances. Different ways that human beings can show up the richness of our of our human family that they become these experts these very perceptive and able to distinguish and i'm wondering about our ability to create a more equitable world by exposing our children to people who may not look like them worship them sound like them love like them. How can that make a difference if we say to them differences actually a super valuable thing homemade that. Make a difference leader on in our society society mitch. These children will will will become adults. That is a fantastic question. I'm so glad you asked. There's so much to say about this. Oh i'll try to keep it brief when it comes to any species. Variation is the norm. This is something. Darwin taught us. Variation is the norm. And when you expose your children to variability of any sort on any feature of humans they will learn that variation is normal now. We love variety. We love righty in food. Variety enclosed variety activities. You know some people like variety a little more than other people. Some people seek novelty a little more than other people but all of us like variety in almost everything except each other. And that's because we tend to live in groups where we have paired away that variety. So i'll tell you first of all the research shows. I think really clearly that a very very simple thing as you say that we could do is we can expose our children to variety of of all sorts and that in and of itself is going to nudge. You know the brain that your child's brain to develop a certain trajectory that would not that would not be there if if you if you live in a very homogeneous world and it doesn't matter whether the homogeneous the whether the homogeneity is about classical music or it's about you only grow roses or about you only live around people who have as much melanin melanin in your skin as you do it or that who speak the language that you do but you know you can choose the dimensions of variety. That really matter to you. And i'll just tell you an anecdote that i found. I find this really instructive. And that's the following you know when my daughter was born. My my goddaughter was adopted. The so the two girls are are pretty close in age And our goddaughter lives in a different city in in the us and so she would come visit with her dad. We would see three or four times a year in person and then talk on the phone all the time and when the girls were really little like they must have been. I don't know three and a half four navy not not. That old daughter was a visiting. And the girls. Were having a sleepover and the girls. You know as little kids do they like you know. Wake you up at like six o'clock. In the morning they climb into bed. I'm lying there at six o'clock in the morning. My eyes are closed. I'm thinking please. Please let me sleep. And i hear one of them say you know look you look you you. You have brown skin and the other one goes. Look you have pink skin my open my eyes and i think oh my god you. It's six o'clock in the morning. Like i'm not prepared for this. I'm not ready for having this conversation and then end so as i'm lying they're panicking then one of them goes in. You have an any belly button and you have an hour bellybutton. Your toe is short list. Short my big toe. And you're you know. And they're just like basically listing feature just describing features. You know for them there. I call her in. their fingernail. shape is like equivalent and their belly. Button is equivalent interesting to their skin tone. They're just listing differences and similarities. In features people have chosen some of those features and imposed meaning on them that they didn't evolve to have. And you have to ask yourself whether you want to impart that knowledge or how you impart that knowledge to your children. You can't grow up in the united states and not understand racial categories. You'd be called not culturally competent. But you can teach your children that that these categories are made up. Yeah that made up. Category have very real physical consequences. For don't get don't get me wrong but But you know my daughter lived and You know lived around people who had many many different skin tones for a long time but there was this really touching moment where she learned about rosa parks and she learned about Racism and in the history. It was martin luther king day. When she made that connection she started to cry And we talked with her and but several weeks later i was driving to school and she was sitting in the back as she did and she said to me. I had a very bad dream last night. She said i dreamed that harry daddy's because my husband has a lot of hair bonnier heritage daddy's had to sit at the back of the bus. And i wasn't allowed to sit with daddy because he had a lot of hair and so what she was grappling with in. That moment was why is brown. Skin and hair ryan different difference. Why how come one gets a special name and the other one doesn't and does that mean that anything could get that name. She was ready yet that announcement but the thing is that we can. We can do this with any set of features of humanity that people have imposed additional. Meaning on those. Yeah yeah and and. I think that this is a exposing your children to variation in people really helps them understand that it's okay. It's it's great to be this. You can find similarities with people but it's it's really okay to be different and that is actually a strength and you can teach them to interrogate and really think about in a way. That's developmentally appropriate for their age and think about some of the social reality that served up to them every day. That's very that's very nicely put at night. I have to see him an hold. Your child was when she asked about here. We daddy she was fi. Oh my god. Okay off. Because i mean that that that analysis at that age is is critical and impressive. But also i think this is how children do think and and realizing that the woman that i can decide tomorrow because it's may be financially feasible to me that all people with green eyes are witches. Yeah and should be burned to the sikh because they happen to own all the land. And i want the land and i have the power to decide that and then suddenly you're old witches and for four hundred years which is not at all different from who i am but i wanted their land which is really how all the social construction of Has come about exactly. And and i think if we exposed them. You're seeing. They can interrogate that for themselves and you can carry gate it with them. When you're reading books to them that were you know. Once upon a time there was a farmer in his wife. Heck doesn't save. There is to farmers wiser farmer and his wife were. You can start asking questions about disney princesses. Which one would you wanna be in. Why because they vary quite a bit in terms of just how how much say how much agency they have for themselves. How much they take care of themselves. You can ask questions like the next time you read a book that we are. You know once again. The dragon is evil. You can ask how the dragon is always able. How come the mother is always dateable. These i mean when she was two years old was playing a game. I said when you would you play and she said. I'm playing the bad mommy game by game. Well the mommy works and so she hasn't been jail. How did this happen. What did i do right. But the thing is as you said we. It's we're not the only ones who curate the environment for in for children other people do those are opportunities. yes those are offered. I want to end by asking a question about my very favorite less in the book. I think it was less than five or brain secretly work with other brains. You basically tell us that the best thing for our nervous system is another human and the worst thing for nervous system is another human and so this suggests to me. Something that i again i think is powerful and could be used for good or ill but this idea that our nervous systems associate dependent right so just tell us a little bit about how brains work with each other and and how we could never do that to create a better world for our children so we You know you're doing such a great job of summarizing these lessons. It's hard for me to think of what else to say. They've just really about that. So we evolved as a species to be social animals. This means many things. As i've said before but one thing it means is that we we regulate each other's nervous systems. Lots of animals. Do this like for example termites bees and ants and so on they regulate each other's nervous systems with chemicals and to some extent with touch in primates vision quite a bit and we use all of those means but we also use words and words have a very powerful effect on human brain developing brain and on and their way that we can influence each other's nervous systems and make deposits and withdrawals in people's body budgets at a distance. If you and i for example. We're having this conversation face to face in room even though we didn't know each other at the beginning of the conversation and we we'd never met Complete strangers if we liked each other trust each other. Our heart rates would synchronize. Our breathing would synchronize. are Know we would start a mirror each other's actions a little bit. You know if. I scratch my nose. You might scratch your forehead. If you cross your arms i might cross my legs. I mean and you know there's this this whoever is leading a dance and and who's following my gin around but but there there are many many studies which which show this and in fact if i slowed breathing down that might slow your breathing down. Wow so we could influence each other this way but we can also do it with words and we can do it at a distance right so i can tax three little words to my friend who lives halfway around the world and i can affect her heart rate and her breathing in her metabolism. She doesn't have to see my face. She doesn't have to hear my voice while you can read something in the bible or the koran or a poem from years and years and years and years ago words that were were spoken and written thousands of years ago and they can change the most basic aspects of your physical state. Yeah so there's a reason for that biologically because the the network of neurons in your brain that are important for understanding speech and words and being able to speak are entwined and are shared by the neurons are shared Neurons neurons share. Part of their function is also regularly the systems of your body so we we make deposits and withdrawals all the time in each other's body budgets without being aware that we're doing so much of the time and this is a challenging thing thing in a culture where we we've we value individual rights and freedoms we value individual rights and freedom so much that we're suspicious of anyone even a scientist who makes the point that we evolved to have socially dependent nervous systems though threatening that. It's so scary. That people don't even want to have the conversation of what this might mean we can. You can not believe it you can ignore it can dispute it. But it doesn't make it go away. It is what it is and you know you ignore at your peril. Basically is what i would say. It doesn't there's not one way to solve this this dilemma but it is a dilemma. Also though a great strength right you can offer. Solis comfort to people and you can make their lives easier. You know you can. You can change someone's physical state with a simple act of kindness and that's a really powerful thing both for you and for them and sometimes you're the recipient of those of those deposits. So this really really does. I think help you. It shouldn't least help you consider what kind of person you want to be. You are you. Are you in in most western civilizations you can you are free. You have the freedom to say and do most of the things that that you want to say and do but you are not free from the consequences of writing chain do so you can think about. What kind of a person do you wanna be. Do you wanna be somebody who Makes a big. Somebody's life better or do you want to be the kind of person who make somebody's life. Worse yeah and there are many many many ways that we can enact this wisdom one of them has to do with the the way that we Setup cultural rules in norms and practices in. This is really now less than seven. Humans have this really amazing ability. We don't just manipulate the physical world. We add to it by imposing functions on things that they don't have by virtue of their physical nature. Like we impose a function on pieces of paper and they become money and we can trade them for material goods correct and they only have pieces of paper. Certain pieces of paper only have value as money because we all agree that they do correct and if we didn't if some of us withdrew our consent they wouldn't be valuable anymore right and this is also true if we all collectively decided that we didn't care about how much mellon was in someone's skin. We didn't care about skin tone. We just all decided if we all agreed we work to impose any symbolic function on skin color then race would cease to be have the power that have the power. It is that it does. Yeah and end or the flip side of this as we could as you said we could also decide that green is or that even something. That's just an idea. Yeah like you know we buy and sell air rights right. We stuff up like we say okay. This era of this building is something that we can sell and then it becomes some. It's something completely invisible inmate up but yet we could buy in silence right or if you if you believe this thing that this made this made up idea then you Than we can impose a function on what that means and create a social group out of nothing and we can Advantage that group or disadvantage that group really. I mean i'm not trying to trivialize the power of social reality our ability to just make something agree on it and then give a name and then poof. It becomes real. It doesn't work. It doesn't work with everything. We you and i agree that we could walk through walls but that doesn't make it right. You and i could agree that we can. You know we could eat like glass for food but that won't make it so right similarily. You and i could agree that a virus is contagious and so we don't have to wear masks. Then that doesn't that doesn't make it so exactly exactly but we do have the ability to your point through collective agreement to really change. What our looks in very very realistic race. We are the caretakers of each nerve. Each other's nervous systems and we are much more responsible for each other's wellbeing than we might know we might like About it but But we have the kind we evolved to have the kind of nervous systems. We have Because it's beneficial for our species. I will end with my favorite quote from the book. it really resonated with be needs. Litter brings wired and sales to their willed. It is up to us to create that world including a social world rich with wiring instructions. To grow those brains healthy and whole lisa. Thank you thank you for being with us. Thank you for this fascinating conversation and thank you to for the heart that you came to this conversation wrote this book with it is very evident in it and very informational. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to to chat with you about these issues. And and i'm really really delighted that you that you found the book. So compelling it's it means a lot to me. Thank you for listening. Please make sure to subscribe to the show. Wherever you get your podcast helped me bring the show to more parents by rating and reviewing it and following me on facebook instagram and twitter. You can sign me at pedal modeste. Send me your suggestions and questions to parenting for the future. Podcast at meal dot com. Thank you again for listening.

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Righteous Convictions - USMC Veteran and VETPAW Founder Ryan Tate

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Righteous Convictions - USMC Veteran and VETPAW Founder Ryan Tate

"Hi i'm jason flom here unrighteous convictions. I speak with some of today's most prominent and active agents of change people who see the wrong in the world entered driven to make it right. Today's guest is a us marine corps veteran who saw a few major wrongs and devised a way to kill several birds with one stone. Even though this certified s would never hurt any wildlife. The very next scene was of a rhino that had had her face cut off her horn removed. When i came back from iraq took all my emotions from ptsd depression trauma everything possible. I shoved it into a jar and i- superglued shut. And i wasn't planning on dealing with it again and that's not healthy was doing the best that i could well. This rhino totally unscrewed that jar. Now with bet. Pau veterans empowered to protect african wildlife. He gives returning veterans and endangered species do lease on life founder of vet pau ryan tate right now on righteous convictions in order to support our show. 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Jillian lauren and the most prolific serial killer in american history. Sam little watch the new stars original docu series confronting a serial killer now only on stars. Welcome back to righteous convictions. Today we've got well. You've got a righteous motherfucker on hand today. And when i talk about that i'm smiling because i'm talking about my friend. Purcell here of ryan tate ryan is a decorated member of the us marines. He's a guy who has always been an animal lover and is doing as much as anyone. I can think of right now to promote animal conservation in a way that is as fascinating as it is inspiring so without further ado ryan tate. Welcome to righteous convictions. Hey thanks jason. I really appreciate the opportunity. So ryan is the founder of vet. Pa which is veterans and power to protect african wildlife. I'm very proud to be on. The board of that organization and their mission is to say protect and preserve rhinos elephants pangolins notably on the ground in south africa. But before we get into that amazing work. I want to go back to your origin story. You came from tampa. I wanna hear about your use and how you first became interested in this type of work. My mother always taught me from a young age to treat animals. Like you wanna be treated you know. My mother is She's all five foot one in a firecracker completely and i always envied her in a way that she stood up no matter the size of the person man woman she saw an injustice. She was going to say something about it. I mean i look back to a time that we we have this big gasparilla parade in tampa. But it's like mardi gras for a day and my mom saw guy abusing his girlfriend and this is a massive went right over there and broke it up. And i'm like. I just thought that was cool that fearlessness that courage to stand up for what was right and so i kind of inherited that from her. I guess is so. My grandfather had a ranch in northern florida. We had rescued horses in all kinds of different animals. In just always found. Animals is therapy Even before i knew therapy was in. I found peace in animals of all kinds in. I was in high school in my english class in two thousand one. I was fifteen years old. I hadn't seen any real trauma. I guess you could say. All of a sudden a teacher runs in the room and he says plane just hit the world trade center. You gotta put the tv on there. It is the world trade center. The first tower is on fire. I was totally oblivious to the fact that it could be terrorism and in that second plane hit it while we're watching it and that was my first real tasted trauma even not being there just watching it on a screen and i had known that i wanted to join the military. I needed some structure in my life. You know it was nine eleven though that that locked into the marine corps. Because i wanted to get on the front lines and so i went directly to the marine corps recruiting station the very next day after nine. Eleven in parents weren't super thrilled about it. But you know like you said. I grew up in tampa. So macdill air force bases there which is sent common so common in. So it's a very patriotic military town. So when i brought the recruiter my mother just about lost it but she knew that you know i was i was in and so they signed early enlistment papers for me because you needed your parents consent to sign them before the age of eighteen and i waited it out. I ended up graduating high school little early and went to paris island at eighteen and so it started there and i became the us marine. I called it my superman uniform. It was the first time in my life where i could look in the mirror in. Just be proud of who. I was in seeing the last name on one side of my uniform in. Us marines on the other. I still get chills. Wanna talk about it. Because it's it's the title that i'm most proud of in my life that in husband i got to see the best in the worst of humanity. It's really made me who i am today. You know. I lost friends been injured. you know i. I've done a lot of pretty crazy stuff. And it was all before the aged twenty one. you know. I think the wisdom that i got from war of course when i got back being able to massage that wisdom put it into place and make sense of it all. You took some time. But it was a struggle. When i came back to. Ptsd in. I had a couple of traumatic brain injuries as well and it was a real shock. You know ptsd is very very real thing and it's something that's always with you for the rest of your life and you have to really put in a commitment in the time to fix it or to adapt to it. That makes sense definitely makes sense. And i don't think our society takes it nearly as seriously as it should. So so you come back to the states like so many of our veterans suffering from ptsd understandably but still having to work in support yourself and so the next chapter of your story takes us. We'll take you should say to the state department when i got of the marine corps It was during the stock market crash. The housing crash went when a lot of people didn't have jobs in the veteran unemployment rate was over twenty percent. It was just an insane number. You know so. I found this job with the state department. I took it immediately and i. I worked on diplomatic security teams so they protect diplomats both foreign and domestic. I had been on hillary clinton's detail. Susan rice's detail was my primary detail. She was the acting. Us ambassador to the un at the time a cabinet member for president obama. She was a wonderful woman to work with nothing but amazing things to say about her but at the end of the day while i took pride in my job i knew deep down like i wanted to make an impact in the world again when i was in iraq i took pride in trying to improve the lives of the people that lived in the area of operation that my unit patrolled so the farmers if they needed irrigation system if they needed a generator if their livestock needed assistance. You know going out and really treating them as humans in trying to make a difference in their lives. That's how we got results. And i did it because it felt good to so i wanted to get back to that. I wanted to make a difference again in the world. If an opportunity came up to make a difference again. I was going to seize the moment In i'm a big anthony. Bourdain guy rest in peace to him. Read all his books. I was a huge fan. I grew up in a restaurant family. My dad had an italian restaurant growing up and so i worked in their two young age. I took pride in cooking. So that's how. I i learned to love anthony bourdain and so his very first show on. Cnn was parts unknown and it was on the israeli palestinian conflict which i've always been fascinated with inci watched great show and then afterwards they had a special on the tusk trust foundation what the royal family was doing with tusk trust on dacian to support conservation in africa and I was not prepared to see what i saw. And it was the second biggest gut punch that i've ever experienced emotionally and it second to nine eleven. The first thing they showed was an elephant dead on a road. It's burned into my brain in. The trunk was totally separated from the body. There's no is no mouth. It's literally just brains in flash hanging and it shocked me. Normally the way. That i work is if i can't do something about it and i don't want to see it because it's just going to depress me and i'm just gonna not gonna keep thinking about it. And the next scene they showed was dead. Park rangers laid out in the grass and immediately my brain triggers to seeing my comrades in iraq laid out next to each other. And so now. I'm really starting to go down a hole in the very next scene. It was a video and it was a rhino that had had her face cut off for horn removed and the poachers. If they shoot it with a gun goes bang and then park rangers in the distance can hear it there alerted so they sedated. This animal didn't make a sound. She went down. They cut her face off. Probably within one hundred and twenty seconds and they took off without tranquilizer wore off in the people that found the rhino had a video camera and while they were waiting on veterinarians to get there they followed her and veterinarians couldn't get there in time once a rhino gets his face cut off. There's very few cases where the animal's been successfully saved but this animal died a terrible death. It's baby was lost out in the bush probably panicking freaking out. When i came back from iraq. I took all my emotions for more. Ptsd depression trauma. Everything possible and i shoved it into a jar superglued. Shut metaphorically speaking. And i wasn't planning on dealing with it again and that's not healthy but as doing the best that kid. This rhino totally unscrewed. That jar and everything came out it was like it just. It never felt anything like this before. I was crying. I was angry. I was just pissed off. I was embarrassed for humans. I was ashamed. You name the emotion the negative emotion. And i guarantee you. I was feeling it. And i knew i had to do something. I had a special skill. And i wanted to go and i immediately got on the phone with fellow veterans to see if they'd be interested in going out or if eighty and heard about this in to no surprise. All of my buddies are like. I'm down to go. let's let's go. let's go. i call my mother. She said you're not going to africa and she always says now. I knew you were going to go but to tell you know so. I started pitching it at the state department. The first person Was ambassador joseph tours. Sella who is the treasurer for the state of pennsylvania now and he was amazing about it. He said this is really interesting ryan. Let's look into it. He pulled some strings. Got some information and he said yeah. There's there's a real problem over there now. And so that led me to putting together this proposal for the government and i pitched it. I knew that the government wasn't going to pick it up. I kept pitching it. And it wasn't until i was in dc on took leave to go to president obama's open forum with his advisory board on wildlife trafficking in the topics were africa. And i was just gonna ask a question to see if they were gonna put any of the designated money from the president's administration towards training of rangers and so my name on the list again. I'm there as a private citizen in out of nowhere and assistant secretary of state walks up to me and she says are you gonna. Are you going to speak. And i said well i was. Just gonna ask a question. She said what were you gonna ask. And so i told her she said i don't think so. She said you need to leave this meeting right now or this is on a friday or you will not have a job on monday and i get to go and i walked out and i typed up my resignation papers and turn them in on monday. I don't believe that. I would have been able to stand by and just watch this happen. There's a director of life of pi. And i cannot remember his name right now but he was speaking at. Nyu's giving a lecture. This was all i started. That paul was trying to figure out what to do. And i used to go just to watch and learn and he said something that stuck with me for life and he said if you feel so passionate about something that it hurts in your stomach you need to do something about it where you were going to regret it the day that you die and that was the push i needed in that moment to turn those resignation papers. Take that leap from joe. Berlinger director of the ted bundy tapes comes the new stars original docu series confronting a serial killer or decades of murder injustice and indifference. This south by south west twenty twenty one official selection tells the story of the unprecedented relationship between acclaimed author and journalist jillian lauren. And the most prolific serial killer in american history. Sam little lauren. Uncovers little darkest secrets and as long enforcement solving a multitude of cold case murders targeting marginalized communities particularly women of color and must reconcile her own history of addiction and abuse with a present day mission to return the identities of previously nameless bodies and forgotten women as she slips deeper into his sorted world. Lauren realizes that she may be psychologically. Little's last victim watch the new stars original docu series confronting a serial killer. Now only on stars i've talked about your work bedpost so many times so many people and i usually describe it as a win win win win because what you saw was an opportunity to create meaningful employment for veterans which was a big problem in society. Then go over to africa back to a really dangerous spot right. Dealing with poachers and people don't realize poachers are not some ragtag band of people who are just out to try to you know. Make a few bucks that to say that doesn't exist but they're financed largely by boko haram and other terrorist groups because there's so much profit so the win win win win rates a vet pau creates. These jobs saves the rhinos. Trains african rangers in the us military tactics allowing them to defend themselves being outgunned and outmanned by the poachers. And you know saving hopefully rhinos and other species for generations to come so it's a whole full circle of powerful goodness that you've created in a place that really badly needed it. So is it like you go over there to africa. And you're like we're here like i don't think they were just like oh great like how did that even work embassador toward sella who i spoke about was generous enough to connect me with kenyan government officials in tanzanian government officials in africa tanzania. So for those listening. That are familiar with africa. I know how you say it. But tillis america's tanzania both of them jumped at the opportunity in tanzania presented the perfect opportunity for success. The presidential administration president kick ready at the time and the minister for natural resources in tourism. Nylon do was ro had said. We want our rangers to fight like us marines. The men and women. We need them to be inspired. So i said well the first avenue come over and do is just observe. You know i'm not gonna come over here. Is this american freedom fighter. Follow the freedom type of bs you know. They have a lot of knowledge and skills. That i don't have. And so. I needed to learn from them about the challenges. They the skills that they have the skills they think they need and put everything together and then extrapolated to make a proper training session for the rangers. And so i went out. And i learned and ended up coming back with the team. And we helped tanzania form. It's very first wildlife crimes task force in with the help of of local leadership in local police. We hand selected the rangers to be on this team and it was a total of thirty in. We ended up training them in undercover operations to gather information and intelligence in after they would gather that we taught them how to exploit that in. Use it to basically break down these networks of criminals that are conducting the poaching in so the very first big operation that they did. The information they gathered was incredible. I myself and a couple of our team. Members also went undercover posing as tourists in posing as assistance for large wealthy individuals that were trying to buy ivory rhino horn or pangolin scales in so we also helped get that information been at some shady spots in that two unarmed imbedded. Very nerve wracking so the very first operation we get all this information and within thirty six hours We broke down a poaching network. That was responsible for over ten thousand unaccounted elephants and estimated that could be up to eighteen thousand a wide window but So we did that in the rua eco-system in that led to over one hundred arrests and helped to break down further other networks throughout east africa as a staggering number. Whether it's ten thousand or thousand. I mean one elephant lost is a tragedy in as you said earlier many cases. It's not just some poor guy that's trying to feed his family. Some cases yes and in those cases it's normally somebody that's been exploited by these criminal networks. What we found was is that. It's it's nasty people. There are a lot of people that say that it's been debunked that it's supporting terrorism. While i'm telling you right here right now. That's absolutely false. I've tracked al shabaab. Track boko haram myself. In many cases it is very very true. The level of support. They're getting off of poaching. Tell you that. But what i will say. Is that a rhino horn. Can go anywhere from three hundred thousand to one million dollars. Usd on the black market. I've also lost friends who were rangers to poachers or you know the networks that. Get out there if you're making a big difference in your impacting their bottom line. They will hunt you down and it won't be in the bush they can hunt you down in the city though. Threaten your family. I had a a middleman in a middleman. Man is the guy that coordinates with the poachers and with the kingpin to find the poachers to go out and do the job and then he organizes the security for the shooter so anyways i met this middleman. We caught him in a shop at the ranger station. The chief ranger says. Hey you should we need your help here. Interrogating this human. I said okay. Well what have you done so far. They're like what we've asked all the questions that we can. He doesn't wanna do anything else in there like maybe you should. You should use some force to get information. And i said no. No no no. That's not how this works. You're not gonna get any information from anybody torturing them you need to treat somebody with respect and you need to break it down and see somebody human-to-human in this case man to man and they civil can you show us and i said sure no problem and so i went in and i just talked to the guy and i said to him after we talked and i got to know him a little bit about his family where he's coming from. Why is here. I said i know what you're trying to do right here. Right now is to provide for your. Your daughter's boarding school put food on the table. You know give them a brighter future but in reality what you're doing is you're destroying their future. Because without the animals here there will be no eco-tourism there will be no tours. Nobody's gonna come to africa to stand there and stare at a field full of impala. they wanna see elephants. They wanna see rhinos. These animals are your heritage and it's it's dishonorable what you're doing in an africa and honor is a very big thing when i broke it down to them like that. You see this lightbulb moment. And so i said i'm gonna leave you with this and i'm gonna come back tomorrow. We're gonna talk again if you help me find the poachers in the area. Depending on the amount of information that you can give to us. Maybe we can get a reduced sentence. And i'll find you a job when you get out of jail. And so i said i'm gonna leave you. Don't give me an answer. I'll see in the morning. And i show back up in the morning. He said i will take you to the homes of every poacher in this area and he said the one thing you have to do is protect me from the rangers. A lot of the rangers have resentment because they've lost family members to poachers. They've been beaten up or tortured. Their homes have been set on fire. This is not good. And so i said no problem protect you. And what did he do. He took me in the middle of the night to three in the morning to every poachers home. We made arrests all night before the sun came up there is not a single one left and suggests served that guide served. His sentence got out and became a park ranger Tell us about rhinos and elephants. What what about them. Have you learned that people should know. But probably don't so we've got less than six thousand black. Rhinos left in the wild around. Fifteen thousand white rhinos left in the wild. Elephants are doing better now. Thanks to a lot of big government initiatives. Lots wanna was a good example where they used their military to protect their parks. Elephants are probably the most unique animal. I've i've ever come across. They are the most family oriented animal that i've ever seen. They mourn the death of other elephants. They remember each other two baby. Elephants could emit as newborns and then twenty five years down the road they meet again in the bush and they celebrate together they remember each other. It is sweetest thing. I've also had a vehicle smashed by elephant bull. Who is in. Musk and that was pretty scary. I have to show you the picture at some point. 'cause i was able to snap picture right in the elephants i before he smashed the vehicle in a really cool story and it's a quick one but about an elephant so photography is a big passion of mine. It's just a hobby. And i was out shooting in the bush. My wife came out so we were on a on foot just going around photographing in. I left one of my most expensive lenses in a lens bag in the bush by accident so i went back to look for it. I could not find it anywhere. And i just got this thing and i get a call. Two weeks ago ecologist. He takes a picture. It was back. When i got back to the states sends it to me he goes. Did you lose something. And i said no way. Where did you find this. And so he calls me a piece. I got the whole thing documented. You're never going to believe this. An elephant picked it up in placed it at junction which was where all the roads of the reserve came back. And you can see the footprints you can see the trunk and where he placed it and felt around it he put. I say he could have been a female elephant but the elephant put the lens where he knew a human would find it. And i still have that lens today. I will never ever sell it or get rid of it. I will never lose it again. That's for sure. But that's just how smart these elephants are if anybody tells me on. That's just that's crazy now. I'm telling you that's that is very elephant like it's it was wild Important beings within ecosystems you know all ecosystems need species otherwise it becomes unbalanced a lotta people say well when it comes to hunting. It's important people have to go over there and hunt everybody got involved the diesel the lion thing and all this other stuff and it it it contributes to conservation that they bring the dollars in for the communities blah blah blah blah blah. I could never shoot any animal. What is the truth. Behind that contentious issue before i even say anything. I'm not a hunter. I've never had been. I've been a hunter of man and i'll leave it at that. Let's that's all that i had interest in doing. I don't even have an interest in doing that anymore. But i'm on the same page with you i. I can't look through the sites of a rifle or even. Just think about doing squeezing that trigger in you know killing something that was defenseless however when it comes to south africa's specifically all parks even massive parks have fences around them in with different jus- station periods of animals. Different eating habits It's important to keep that balance. Because you have impala which reproduce at a rapid rate and elephants which take two years almost to reproduce and then you have rhinos that take eighteen months. And so you got a real imbalance here in. So if the floor of the reserve becomes unbalanced than the food doesn't get distributed equally and now you have a starving ecosystem so when it comes to hunting. I'll never never ever be okay with the hunting of an elephant or a rhino any endangered species. I do not understand why somebody would want to go and shoot a lion. I it just doesn't align with my values but if we don't allow hunters to come out and control the antelope population like impala. Then we're going to have a real problem if the government did in the subject matter experts scientists. Biologists ecologists say. Hey it's critical. That a certain amount of impala or coup in yala ilan whatever. It may be if we don't find a way to remove them then this ecosystem will collapse and that means all the other species like elephants and rhinos will go to and will we need to recognize is humans is that we are part of the ecosystem that we call planet earth and as the a scientifically speaking the most intelligent species on the planet. You know it really is our job to be stewart's of the earth in we are an important part of this planet in if we reckitt. We don't get it back. Extinction is forever. What can people do to help. Getting the word about that paul. Our mission out there is phenomenal. Or if you know you know somebody that might be interested in supporting us in some sort of way posting event for us you know. We get a lot of funding through private events. Third party fundraisers at people's homes or local restaurants. So that's helpful and then if you do have time to get to africa. We have our rhino experience program which were restarting. We put it on pause because of covid nineteen or restarting it in june. Where people can come out. It's no more than eight to ten people at a time and it is an exclusive up close. Look ten days in the shoes of paul team member. You spend time with our veterans sit around the campfire here cool stories. E- actually can go out in tag rhinos with us. We have a big research program. We actually known as the top rhino research program in south africa the government recognizes such and it's very affordable twenty five hundred dollars to three thousand dollars for the entire trip. Your foods included. We picked up at the airport. Great accommodations in your the safest person in africa. I can guarantee you that i saw. I'm feeling a little sheepish. Bringing this up. But i can't also not plug it so i'm gonna go ahead and say ryan we have a big event coming up at that pau and Can you share with the audience about that. Because there's a good chance of a lot of people may want to get involved on april twenty second. So that's actually this coming thursday seven pm eastern standard time. We're going to virtual event it's to raise funds for the mission but we're going to have some celebrity support in it We're gonna talk about what we do so even if you don't have money to give still tune in and check it out because we're gonna talk a lot about our mission out there and give you some more insight in video footage of of what the guys were doing. You meet some of our amazing team members. We can't do it without the veterans that we have on the ground there. Now we go to the closing the show i call it words of wisdom. This is the part of the show. Where i once again. Thank you ryan tape for all you're doing to make the world more righteous place and all the guys in bed pau shot to the bad s people making a difference at risk to their own personal safety day in and day out. You guys know who you are like. I say you have all my respect with that. Being said words of wisdom works. Like this. I turn my microphone off. Kick back in my chair and then i leave your microphone on for anything. We may have missed or anything else. You wanna say. Live a life with kindness. I always lead with kindness. Treat everyone with respect whether it be animals. Humans doesn't matter what it is. Live a life of respect in in kindness. It goes a long way. give back you know. A lot of us are inundated with tasks careers and family lives but giving back really does a lot for the soul. I know it has for me. And i wish more people in society would do some selfless things and give back whether it being your community going out and cleaning up a beach or going to food kitchens to feed the homeless anything in everything in life. There there's an opportunity to give back and that's so powerful with vet paul. It's not just the wildlife benefit. It's the veterans. You know i started this organization with one goal and it was to go kick some ass and save some animals but what i found. Was that the veterans need the animals as much as the animals need the veterans. It's healing. It's amazing to see these veterans finding new purpose in life. It's right up there with with the accomplishments that i'm most proud of seeing these veterans. Find that purpose again and their reason for living. Thank you for listening to righteous convictions. I'd like to thank our production team conner hall. Jeff clybourn and kevin awarness. The music in this production was supplied by three time. Oscar nominated composer j. Ralph follow us on instagram at wrongful conviction on twitter at wrong conviction and on facebook at wrongful conviction podcast righteous convictions. Production of lava for good podcasts in association with signal company number one.

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Last Live Show in Hawaii #1368

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Last Live Show in Hawaii #1368

"This is news central. My name is Todd Cochran come into the live as it can be for the last live show from Honolulu. Hawaii the lead story's are who way has been brought to its knees. The NYPD is using other people's photos to tip off. It's facial recognition system. The US marines are thinking about an exhilarating cyber security force with folks with purple hair and everything tesla. You got a black eye. Second death in a similar autopilot crash. A want to welcome you Tempus own one thousand three hundred sixty eight of the new center pod Gaspar. Thursday may sixteenth. This show is sponsored in part by go. Daddy dot com in listeners just like you. Great deals from go daddy can be found founded Gayton his central dot com forward slash go daddy. And of course, we want you to sport the show today. Me, central dot com forward slash insider, everyone walking the show. And of course, those of you that in the in the watching the live show, make sure you say Hello. Hello travis. Hello, Mark, thanks for being here. Thanks for for watching again. This is the last live show that I'm doing here in Honolulu. The studio is partially in boxes already and tomorrow, a starched the final tear down. But if you're brand new to the show, don't worry the show continues audio only until I launch in the new studio. Or do some something weird on the other end. When we get to Michigan, but there will be audio shows throughout probably for the next, at least at least four weeks. I would imagine before we do any video that's going to be twenty one days after June first before the actual studio shows up, but don't worry come over to Gingrich central dot com. Get subscribe to the show, your find way to do that. Right on the website get scraped the newsletter as well. That way you won't missing episode as I deliver t you all of the continental me talking about tonight in Email with all the links. And of course, you can watch this show on your apple TV. 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But again, I think if you're sports share, these codes again, with your friends and family and subscribe to the podcast, tell them to subscribe to this podcast. Get all the latest tech news. So again, thanks for being sponsor here and being a steady supporter of the show all this time. All right. To let me talk just a little bit about what has been happening. We'll get into the show here in a few minutes as I relayed on the Lascaux I spent three or four hours in line getting a new drivers license prior the last show, quite aggravating I had to get a parking permit for my twenty-foot Matson container. That's coming would arrives Monday about Levin AM and. I was fully expecting it to be a mad house because any interaction I've had in with a Honolulu or state government anywhere, I've had to go get a permit or anything has just been like longline. So I knew they were on lunch from twelve to twelve forty five they said their window wasn't open. So I, I left the house about noon got down there about twelve forty got into the office. And of course, I paid for four hours of parking and thinking, I was going to be in there forever and walked in, and there's nobody in the office, I sit down his couch and this young man came in and human, I got to talk and send houses work here. He said, I mean you're going to be in and out of here in five minutes. I just looked at him. I said, well, this is supposed to be a fighting. The is supposed to have five days to prove. The permit uses nah, they're gonna do it right now. And he's gonna like oh yeah. Right. You know what you know? Well, he was right. The young man. In came in and sat down and basically use Google earth. Looked at my location said, we're gonna park the trailer. He said here, he'd religious stuff on my permit, told me how to get to rent to signs of flashing lights and some things have to pick up tomorrow and any says, grow some stop and stamped, and he said, okay, here, you go when I'm like no feet. You know, I haven't checked book and cast with me thinking this is me like a hundred bucks enough be this is this is what we do. I'm just like I didn't have to pay. To someone got about three hours and fifty minutes of free parking on me. So I told the guy in the way out, I said, I shook his hand said, thank you. You restored my faith you restored. My faith in government, a little bit here because of after all these bad experiences all these years. So anyway, this week's really been no packing been heads down. Lots of stuff going on with blue era. We release some stuff today, partial download reporting so suffer enterprise users of head for while made that announcement work social media today on that bunch of stuff going on this week, but really in all honesty. This weekend will be spent rip everything apart here. And then I will I have stuff in the garage after range that came out of my storage unit that should take me a day. And then hopefully Sunday, I can breathe go the beach with my kid Monday. The truck comes will start loading it. Got. Ten-day Celo celosias. I don't know. It's gonna take that long, but there will be a show Monday, and there will be shelters next week on schedule. That will be audio only and so we'll see how that goes. I didn't even know where I'm going to record it, maybe the bedroom because this is going to be empty. It's already sounding equi because everything is out of here that I used for ten and soundproofing. So we'll see what happens there, but one thing, I'm pleasantly, happy about as a trade Windsor. Back here in white spent the last show. I melted in yours. One hundred degrees in the studio, and I think I have ninety five percent kick the butt on this head cold. I had. So there, there goes Facebook again, what is wrong with this stupid thing? Oh my gosh. So resetting the stream. So see what happened this just blows. Everything died. Everything died here. Why did that die? Lovely. Recording died. Everything did. So have no well, the recording his good. It went and be a show without craziness. Let me right here, not everyone. We've had some problem. I in my son was warned not to be. Not to be messing around with stuff tonight. So I wonder if the yeah it stayed up. All right. So that's good. It'd be a new, definitely a new new life feed. And there goes at noise again. So hopefully that volume might bumping something I keep getting into. So maybe it was all this Rasa round of stuff anyway. Those listening later. You don't care about the live. But the live is backed very, very odd on why that dropped. Okay. So anyway, that's it. We're going to go ahead and get into the content. But yet glad the trades are back. Very, very happy about that. So let me start off tonight with a discussion about a where is it here? Come on. Now. I want that. What this, it's one of stories that was from one of my own team members. And did I find it? Yeah. So andrew. One of our team members in the UK. His wife was doing a search and what she was looking for is she was looking for holiday house in Iceland. And if you if you go to the article, and keeping central dot com, which will be course in the show notes, she thought excuse me, a place and actually hits showed him on her device what she had found in eight kind of talked about it. So the next day. He. Had advertised to him on a different advice on a different site. What she had looked looked at. So his, his wife's search is head appeared in his adverts. He says, surpri very surprised to see this house, I only knew it because my wife had shown me, the picture as a for Iceland, as a holiday destination, somehow, the advertisers have managed to digital link me, and my wife, I have no idea how this was done as we ever own accounts on all our devices. It's really cutting advertise the partners for things. The other has already been searching for Salva so that seed in husbands mine. Oh, that looks like something Jenny would like I'll order that. Now coaching he says, beware of this, if you get advertiser, something that you don't recognize in would probably be of interest to your partner, you're being fished, and if it's something that you don't recognize be quite like that. You'd quite liking, your birthday's coming up just act surprise when you unwrap it so case. So let's say the life is searching for. A boyfriend. Or you know, this could get pretty nefarious. I always think about the worst. I don't think about, you know, Andrew spun it in a good way said. Yeah. My life is, you know, looking about this holiday house in Iceland. I thought it was a great idea. And then I saw the next day. And I'll yeah, wow. This is, you know. You know. But you wonder here. Yeah, now, they're on the same I p I would assume wifi wise. So maybe of course, he's in the EU, so GDP are would apply an but again, his IT, what had been masked the same way in both instances, but they're not supposed to make that that correlation. So of any of you have any of these seen this. It it's, it's very odd. I don't think I've ever heard anyone this, this story has gotten a huge amount of traffic today. People talk now Twitter on Facebook. Because it's something new. So I'd love to hear from you. Have you has your wife search for something that she showed you and then it showed up in your search? She built on your device, a different device, the following day love a really loved the hear your thoughts on this. Keith news at Jima dot com. Artless talked about the big elephant room. On earlier this week. The president signed a national emergency about telecommications for structure in the United States. Any directed the commerce secretary to come up with a list of companies? That other US companies cannot do business with this is the important part. Away, who way or how we pronounce this Chinese companies name. Basically immediately found themselves on the list. Now. Based on my twenty five years in the navy. And just my internal head thinking a little bit. This. Of course. Some people could say this is done because of the trade wars of the tariffs. But I think it's bigger than this. I really, really do. I have no proof. None just pure speculation on my part. They've warned and they've warned and they warned that. Our telecommunications infrastructure could be at risk. If this company's gear is allowed to be utilized on US networks. I'm sure some of you say never happened. Somebody say it's possible I lean on the side of probable. I really, really do. And of course, they issued a statement, objecting to the recent actions of the US commerce, defectively ban Chinese teleconference from doing business within the country. They said this decision is no one's interests. Yes, it is. It's in the United States. National security interest. It will do significant economic harm to the American companies with which who way way does business. And if tens of thousand American jobs, yes, it probably will help or it's going to hurt Qualcomm and a number of other companies is going to hurt them, but they thought this was coming already, and they laid in massive quantities of stock, in other words, they ordered enough to get them through something like this initially. Now. Some of you main say, depending on where you fall in the political spectrum stupid video dropped again. What in the heck is going on? So. I'm writing on the. On my Facebook page. About ready to yell at my kid, I'm almost guaranteed. That's what's going on here. So. Look at this is that. It's just to me, it really makes me think that they know something here that the rest of us, don't have a privilege to see. I can't imagine that this was done lightly. Now they added seventy of ood as who way way or hover, pronounce it affiliates to its entity list, and this move signifies that they're trying to undermine American interest. And it also makes it come the ineligible receive items or funding without government approval, and they have to they have to. Any company that wants to export anything to this company, they have to ask the US Commerce Department's permission to be able to send them anything. Export control one hundred percent export control. And this would be a catastrophe for them. Now, if the trade thing gets figured out. If the trade war deleo gets resolved. And all of a sudden they get dropped off the list than I will, I will say, this was completely political, and they did it to pressure China, but, I just don't think so now, some of the European partners of friendship said that we're going to do business with them. Germany said, we're going to do business with them. The UK is a little bit hasn't come up with a decision yet. But I want you think about this for second. The, the United States has a close relationship with Australia, UK, France, Germany, one, other think that's it. The they, they share information quite freely. Lots of lots of data lots of intelligence data crosses, truly among those countries and us. They share a lot. And. I would assume that whatever the United States has on them. They would I'm beginning this is a sumptious on my part, but they would have they would have shared the guts of what they have. As talking to someone who's really, really smart on a topic. It's this general topic like this. And if you think back to were some of this originating think about the stories that came out when, when Snowden sold. American secrets, and basically released this cache of data. That, you know, in his treasonous release of information that some people, you know, celebrated if you remember back, then there was stories about the United States maybe even tampering with Cisco gear. If you remember this talked about repackage it, so. Okay. So if someone let's, let's just let's just think about this from hypothetical Sandpoint. If. Again, if. The United States did that and sent those devices into other locations. And then those countries said. And went in and looked at the, the data looked at those machines and figured out a ha- something's been non here. Something fishy is the audio cut now what night what a ninth for this all, screw up. So. If, if someone learned this, and then said, oh, we need to well, let's, let's learn what they've done, and let's do it better. And let's Recode and not be so obvious. So did we screw ourselves in the process on this? I'm not saying that's what happened. But what's good for the goose good for the gander that's you know, but you know. If Snowden was releasing this information, and they said, oh, and they looked and he said, oh, let's to compla- that game. Right. Except. Huawei needs us more than we need them. And time, motel where this goes, I'm just and speculating here, obviously. I have no idea. There must have been a cap wondering around because something is not right. With the audio tonight, polish ice. So. Yeah. He's I think he gave it away. Whatever snowden. Did he gave it away? Dumped it. I, I don't remember the the the the specifics. But anyway, he he he basically. Was ultimate traitor, which in my mind should still have to bullets the back of his head. If if that would be I think that would be a good good end result for him. But that will probably never ever happen. But so the question then is, is, is this political or is this real, so that's the question for all of you love to hear from you, Keith news at gmaiLcom now within our own country? Here you look at the NYPD. So a new report from Georgetown, Georgetown Law Center. I'm privacy and technology is uncovered widespread abuse than your police department spacial recognition system, including what they're calling image alteration in the use of non suspect images. So, so think about this. In what pace, what is it just me? In one case officers uploaded, a picture of Woody Harrelson based on a witness description of a suspect who looked like Harrison the search then produced a match and the match suspect was later arrested for petty larceny. So. Okay. So I see someone he looks like Woody Harrelson, but he's obviously not Woody Harrelson is committing the crime. And I tell the NYPD police officer, the dude that stole my wallet. Looked like Woody hot Harrison. You can't type in a facial recognition system. Woody Harrelson, right. So they took a picture of Woody Harrelson uploaded into the system and said match. And it got their man. You know, in my in my mind's eye thinking that was kind of innovative, but the NYPD Representative did not dispute any of the specific claims in report, but emphasize, the investigative value facial recognition, then my PD constantly reassesses, our existing procedures in line with that are in the process of reviewing our existent facial recognition protocols, he says, no one has ever been arrested on the basis of facial recognition match alone as with any lead further investigations always needed develop probable cause to arrest. The NYPD has been deliberate responsible in its use of facial recognition technology, according to the C, B T report, many departments, also use police sketches as raw material for facial recognition and unsupported broadly inaccurate technique, according to the CPT. Researchers found that six departments across the US permit sketches to use in facial. Recognition searches including Mira, COPA county sheriff's office in Arizona and the Maryland department public safety, there's no indication that end NYPD uses polices sketches in this way. But they did use Woody Harrelson's picture. So, okay. So I'm going to weigh in on this and say. That was an innovative way to find someone that looked like someone. And as long as they had additional evidence. To prove that this individual was the individual that did the crime and his arrested and they can be proven quarter law that, that was the person that did it that I think that is innovative police work, not necessarily abuse a facial recognition. So where but say you where do you lay? In going back to chat room. Travis most chips. Yes, are made in China most we've given up our chip-making ability here in the United States. It's a big big big issue big issue because there are some systems in the United States. How should I say it inventory that absolutely cannot have foreign chips in it? And I think he can you think about that, prolific bit you go, what would be so critical in the US government's inventory, that they absolutely couldn't have one, they could not have any type of foreign chips in and there's two or three major things I can think of the top of my head. I'll let you guys think about that for second, but, you know, going back to this altered images. I am. I'm not so. I'm not so sure they're not going to go arrest. Woody harrelson. Unless he was the one that did it. But makes you wonder. All right. Love to hear your feedback on that. Keith news at Jimoh dot com. Let's talk about the US marines marines are worked with marines for many, many, many years and marines. Are very much by the book. The get the job done when you need something taken down blown up captured when you need something secured, you call them Raines, I'm serious this what they do. They're good. They're really, really good. And what they do. They do. Well. And there are small part of the, you know, a department of the US navy, but they're very proud those that wore the were the emblem. They've, they've earned it now use Marine Corps. Commanded, general, Robert Nellor told us security foreign back in April that marines would soon launch a volunteer cyber security, auxiliary unit and early this week. The marines announce establish some of that unit called the ring courts, cyber exhilarate cyber hawks, which it says will help increase Marine Corps cyberspace readiness. It says that the zilla really would not be permitted to wear the coveted eagle globe and anchor album of the core, which is obviously something Rene's earned by going through basic training, or officer candidate school. He noted that they would have to hear Tim, re they wouldn't they would not after it here to Marine Corps. Strict standards joking that exhilarate take anyone even professionals with purple hair. He says volunteers won't have to wear a uniform or it here to the corpse grooming or demanding physical standards. He says he announcement says that members of the Sira ox will assist in simulated environments, enduring periods of instruction, but are not authorized execute hands on cyber activities and other words, they're going to take, they're not going to take part in any real world incidents that the marines might end up facing in digital world. Boy. Not, so no tell the military dot com that members of his new force will come in and offer this systems, expertise and knowledge to the uniform side. He says that the courts hasn't figured out how big the force will be, but he expected you assistance who can get security clearance would be good fit for it in recent years. US military's founded difficult to retain cyber security professionals because many can find better opportunities in the private sector. The purpose of the exhilarates supplement the core cybersecurity expect for tease the civilians and veterans as time went digital threats from foreign adversaries. You're on the rise. Now, if any of you just want to do a little googling you can go and Google online and find out what government employees make top dollar is an a few then think about. What contractors could make the can make a little more than what government employees make. But they're still typically caps. And if you think about it think about what the president makes or which I think is four hundred thousand dollars a year. A member of congress to sixty seven many of these cybersecurity folks who are good. I mean really good or easily easily making over a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. And that pay scale just does not work. In the DOD in the geo v and the M I L. Okay, get my point. So if they're going to have this auxiliary. To come in and train. Some of these skills. I hate to say it do not come naturally. You know, these folks have worked hard Dave went to school there, there by nature. They know how to dig their way around systems. I just cannot believe that they are bold enough to say that these civilians will not partake any type of cyber activities that is real world. That I think is a stretch is we're gonna make them go through the process of getting a security clearance, and it would have to be a very high security clearance, where you basically have to tell the government about fifteen years of your life allow your friends and family to be interviewed allow them do credit medical. I mean they go through everything you sign a piece of paper saying you, can, you can basically inspect anything I've ever done. Capable in the obviously, probably not probably going to have to pass a, a piss tests are not going to be able to be using any controlled substances whatsoever. So you're going to have pretty squeaky clean individuals from a quote unquote, when it comes to, you know who they are so in their background. So if you're going to give them the Clarence, then why would they not be allowed to do tactical? So that's what I think's interesting about this announcement, but the Marine Corps definitely sees Abbas short each year in need help. Why don't we have cyber command? Why isn't cyber command of the US? We had a cyber command right? Why aren't they doing this stuff for them range? That's the question. I have really. In the scheme of things. And Facebook, drop the streaming in just insane. Just insane. What a way to do the last show. Right. Tesla is a big problem. The auto pilot was active when Tessa crashed into a truck killing the driver. And once again, the truck was on a. Came to a stop pulled out in front of the tesla. The model three on which had just been put on autopilot. Hit the driver or hit the truck less than ten seconds later. The vehicle went under the truck sheared the roof and killed the driver. The test was moving sixty miles per hour. Slid under the truck, and then the vehicle continue down the road for another sixteen hundred feet before coming to arrest in the median. This is essentially the same type of situation that happened with the previous accident. And. So. Tesla's definitely got the, the system as a weakness. Vehicles pulling out in front of it. And there's a gap you know, you got to wheels got truck off the ground Tesla's, obviously, not seeing that. But if the same time they said that the driver's hands was not on the wheels, but ten seconds is not a long time. He put the vehicle on autopilot, take your hands off one two three four. What are you doing? Are you not looking at the rotary looking down at something, but there was no attempt by the driver to because it only been engaged ten seconds. So. That driver must look somewhere else. But it cost him his life. So these autopilot systems, I'm just here to tell you an tesla. It's. It's. And I'm sure there's lots road miles in racked up that are safe, but two deadly accidents similar type of vehicle protein truck is, is pretty crazy. So anyway. Tests has got to be nervous about this. Over arsenic as article talking about utility quiz, sparked massive California, wildfire g e which is the major utility in California. Has been basically held been said they're responsible for the campfire which we talked about this last show. They killed eighty five people and burnt down fifteen thousand homes. They're already facing. They're already in chapter eleven from some other fires. But here's the crazy part. They said that the socio press noted investigators found PG any response for causing eighteen wildfires in two thousand seventeen twelve those cases referred Prospal criminal prosecution. As California's another wildfire season. Gene, said it will actively shut off power residents. If wins become dangerous, PG said it could knock out power to as much as an eighth of the state's population for as long as five days when dangerous high winds arise communities will likely get to get shut off. Worry PG will put people in danger, especially the sick and only and cause financial losses was slim hope compensation. But what is high high-powered lines, which some are in miss repair some for many years? Some that are in very difficult terrain is were a lot of this activities happening. PG disclosed one hundred fifteen kilovolt care. Woo, pal marrow transmission line, which crosses steep and difficult to access train northern California, went down about fifteen minutes before PG any employees notice a fire near one of the line towers, PG, and he was. Expected to make several upgrades line, but they were allegedly put off for years before the fire started. They're not saying safely did line break but happen. How did these was there? Sparks really nothing to that effect. Did you brush up against trees brush what what happened? We don't know. But if you live in California, be prepared for power outages during the dry season when the Windsor up. Over on space dot com. I'm a big space space odyssey Sifi book reader. They've got a list of the best space books and Saifi for two thousand nineteen and got some good ones here. Delta V by Daniel Suarez. Apollo eleven by J L Pickering in John busy. The got laser death rays and long strange quest by John, heck. So ho bunch of books out here, none of these authors. I read before, but definitely be adding them to my to my realist- here. So it's kind of my way to wind down really really is so liked always get recommendations. If you've got a good space odyssey that you've read that you relieve loved loved to have a recommendation, especially multi book series, is something I really appreciate. Over and make use of dot com. They got a good article on how to hide your wifi network and prevent it from being seen. It's really simple to do. If you're not aware of how to do that. And sometimes it's just as easy as turning off. Ebeling 'Society broadcast long as you know what your wifi network name is. You really don't need that broadcast off there he could enter it Manley on your phone, or device. Sometimes it's easier to have a society turn on. But she always turn it off later. But Lincoln be up in the show, nuts on that also over on injury central dot com. They've got discussions about the best wifi routers for two thousand nineteen the euro is being rated as the best overall. E E, R O, made one of the first consumer mesh wifi system. The company keeps making them better. The current generations, the best blend of advanced network and features and place ability of any system of thinks the small size of the euro beacon. So I'll bet we Cup in the show notes Sumi look in a lot of this stuff is, I'm setting up the new studio stuff like you said with cameras, and all of the kinds of stop so anyway, so best, mesh wifi network, awesome by ero- next up over extreme tech. They determine NASA did the remains of the. Berisha spacecraft on the moon. They show where it augured in, and of course, bear shit, which is in who he wrote means in the beginning launch on February twenty seconds a secondary payload on SpaceX falcon nine they were early saying signs that not all was well, when a computer set in late February and force the constellation over o'byrne and as the vehicle descended. Lunar surface. The I am you failed and the team was unable reset components because of Kim occasion loss. I time missing troll. Regained contract, it was too late to break the Lander successfully in it. It augured in so but Nasr's caught some pictures here of it, he can tell were it essentially went splat, according to the verge Bernie Sanders has become the latest twenty twenty candidate to call for the break. Efface break-up Facebook he says, we haven't increasingly monopole Listrik society. It's not just Facebook there Bernie. So, of course, Sanders along Representative Tulsi, Gabbard democrat here, Hawaii are so far. The only two democrat primary members to come out and fully support of the Senator warns break-up proposal. And. Of course. Former president vice president Joe Biden has been leading the pack and he made headlines earlier this week saying that break up with something we should take a real hard, look at, but his premature to fully endorse such a measure, so that's where we lay in the politics and decisions and something could affect Silicon Valley. Some kinda cool volleys want an air taxi have always said, if I had an air, taxi here life would be better in way. But if I've seen her air taxis, been unveiled German start up, and it's basically a prototype and had its first flight year, there's much, which took off and hovered landed. It said their crap, which is electric power to capable traveling three hundred kilometers per hour and just three hundred climate and just sixty minutes, and it's made of three hundred thirty six electric fans allow it to take off and land vertically. But it they it has yet to fly. So they gotta do some of that, yet. So we'll see where this goes. Would like to have one when these in the backyard and just be able to the jump in for Graham, where you wanna go and avoid all traffic be awesome. How many have Acis computers? Hackers abusing Acis cloud service, install backdoors on users PC's, again, so computer makers web straight software has tried to a male where tack from the black tech group, and they mechanism once again as once again, been abused. Reaches from e set reported earlier this week. The researchers continue investigates and said they believe tax result of a router router level man in the middle attacks. The explain insecure HD connections between end users and AC servers along with incomplete code signing developed to up anticipation of received files before the executed. So trend microcosm, the black tech group, which targets government agencies and private organizations in Asia, last year, the group's re use legitimate code signing certificates on from rotter maker de linked to cryptographic authenticates itself as trustworthy. So they've done this, if you times so no word yet from Acis are not so. I just wonder how many people's machines are have back doors in now. Twitter is giving tweet deck's much-needed love with gift poll, any Mody support. So if you use tweet deck could be getting a little bit of an update here. I don't particularly use that. The Samsung galaxy S ten five G Z United States, I five Jeep bone. So Samsung of riser introducing the first five you smartphones participation should go to the motos e three which is a four g smartphone, that she can clip a five G backpack onto. But if you're looking for a fully contained five G film S, ten five G is first today, the five G is out exclusively on Verizon and can be picked up for while third teen hundred dollars and is the first five chief phone, the galaxy S ten five. Jeez. Let's R O basically allow you to. Use it in places where there's a few five G towers, which are isn't too much. So, but this is a this is a special model of the, of the S ten so be aware of that. And it's a four size class of the ten after the s ten E s ten in ten plus it's essentially, as ten plus plus, so just be aware of that, okay. Moving on here. The White House is trying to find out if people feel that they have been biased in, in fairly. For better word banished or silenced, or throttled. I don't know what the best word here is. But they've opened up a, a website, this new tool allow people to. Cement, when they feel they have been censored by social media. They're not asking specifically for conservatives to fill this out. It's for anyone. But I'm sure that those that feel that they had been silenced are largely conservative at this point. What will time will tell people are worried that, that I'll tell it will be heavily weighed people come into I was I was censored because of this, or that I think, really if you look at everything Facebook and Twitter, does some things I can post something on Facebook and. It gets nary alike. Nary comment, and it's be some, it won't even be nothing. I never pushing political. But then the next post I put up, we'll get eighty responses and it's an I feel sometimes it's the Facebook. A long rhythm the decided what people are going to see in what they're not going to see. And so I can understand what people feel sometimes that their their poster hidden. Twitter's just too big madness. Anyway, you get lucky to see anything in a Twitter feed unless you're lucky. So there's so much stuff that goes missing on Twitter that, you know, I stuff, my followers say, unless someone's retweeted or made a comment, usually doesn't wise to the, you know, the detection level for me. So time will tell. What kind of information they get back? But some people are pooh-poohing, of course. But we'll see what, what they do with the data that they that they get. The city of San Francisco is being the USA, facial recognition by recognition tech by government agencies. And San Francisco along the heart of the technology revolution took a stand against potential Bussan Tuesday by banning these official recognition software by the police and other agencies. They actually which came to eight to one vote by the board of supervisors make San Francisco, the first major city to block, it tool that many police forces attuning into searchable, small time criminal suspects and prepetrators for a of bass carnage really think about this. Taking tool away from the police defined criminals. Makes you go a lot. Now, of course, this move is being applauded by privacy rights activists and it has critics as well. But it is I have to kind of greed that it's ridiculous deny the value of this technology, and serving airports and border and solutions said Jonathan Turley kind of constitutional law. It's George Washington recy-. It's hard to deny that there's a public safety value. To this technology now the band doesn't affect federal agencies subordinate airports will be just as practice. They ever were. And in San Francisco USA, facial, recognition tech by law enforcement isn't apparently remained theory at theoretical todate no local law enforcement as deployed facial recognitions in San Francisco. San francisco. Police officers association officer union said the ban would hinder than members efforts to investigate crime. He says, all the we understand it's one hundred percent accurate technology. Yet, it's still evolving said, Tony mon-, Montana, the president of the sociation. I think it's been sessile at least providing leads to criminal investigators. What say you audience? Geek, news at Jima dot com. It's being reported that Samsung me, reintroduce the galaxy folk within a month. So we'll see what happens here. Maybe they're getting their issues fix with the hinge. And so the hinge area is expected to be minimized in the past upper and lower portions a hinge were not blocked, so they've made some improvements here time will tell whether or not they got their bugs worked out. I just think this is kinda dumb though matter what. This is a curious article to me. And for those of you there aviators out there a, a let you weigh in. The us air force wants to rescue down pilots within a Thomas aircraft. Or Diller special forces to and from the battlefield. Having been exposed to crash helicopters in Afghanistan, and the impacts of RPG's. A trying to extract people under heavy weapons fire I can understand where they're going. And if you think about it, if you are a US military member, especially if you're flying aircraft, and it crashes and you're in a combat area, there's usually quick response. Rescue team ready to be dispatched to get you. And those guys have a very dangerous jobs. Now, if it's a crash that happens away from combat zone. Probably not an issue. They come in pick the guy up getting out of there. But if it's in an active engagement area, and you're trying to get that pilot out. You really put that whole crew at risk, when they come in to do the extraction, and sometimes you have to use multiple aircraft to come in and do an extraction. You have to have outer security, inner security, gunship, lots of things can go on to suppress fire to bring someone into get someone out. Good book to read his Robert, shreds, not a good day to die and kind of highlight some of the. Activities. It can go on during a search and rescue. So. Thereforce once the void the, the men in the helicopter being exposed. According to a solicitation for the air force research, laboratory one possibly would be an autonomous aircraft the potentially fly people away from a crash site. It's called the personal recovery. Transport vehicle and was issued on may second in Brawley sketches out, what the airports is looking for a small town crap of the range of Lisa hundred miles, it can land and take off from a small footprint that isn't prepared for such that's the key. At a minimum it would carry two people want potential medical litter and carry up to four people along with fourteen hundred pounds of Queant. It has to be able to operate in all different types of train with watery covering desired capability, but not a requirement family should have a low acoustic. Audible signature on takeoff and landing could be deployed from an airplane if needed they first doesn't specify what type of the would look like or whether it'd be a Thomas helicopter tilt rotor aircraft or something else. Think it's a good idea. Now here's the guy in the ground. You just want to get out of there. You don't care what comes get you. Drop me hook and let me snap in and let me get out of there, right? But what you can do with this type of a situation as you could deploy this. Let's say you from back of seen one thirty. It unfolded itself. And meanwhile. Supporting forces could circle the zone and take care of business. Running one that's down there, trying to inflict harm upon the person you're trying to recover or even more crazy. If you're trying to insert a team into an area where it's high risk. We lost a lot of Chinooks a lot by them coming down in areas with Rupp terrain in simply sometimes. Obstacle avoidance wasn't possible. Chop. The tree blending area was too steep all kinds of crazy stuff happened. And I don't even want it. We probably look it up online. See how many helicopters be law. Some people were killed. But by helicopters in the combat zone is very dangerous business. And if you're inserting are recovering teams it's very, very dangerous. And so, but if you could expel expel, a team at night, his, you know, pilots on, on hud's a their depth. Perception isn't really good. So the Sousse could be very cool. We'll see what, what, what the what the government comes up with on this one. But I think this really, really good idea whether they can accomplish it or not. I don't know because there's so many variables sometimes just gotta have a button seat, making a decision really honestly that sometimes, and maybe they'll use a pilot but did to, to man these things, but it's still you when your head's on swivel in. He had other people in the aircraft looking out of the sides of the aircraft, you know, a lot of stuff can happen in microseconds with people clicking ICS. Switch say pull out pull out. Let's go, or you know, incoming fire in the right side or wherever the. Happening drone may not be as reactive. All right. Moving on here. Amazon refreshes his best selling fifty dollars. Fire seven tablet in the one hundred kid friendly version. So have that, like on the show notes to check out sprint is saying there launch five GM may thirty first and four cities with LG the fifty in H, T, C, five G hub. So what are those cities going to be going to be Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and Kansas City on me thirty first? So I don't know how why the distribution is. But that's what sprint says they're doing. Cisco at least for this quarter has a ride on strong revenue guidance. So their, their shares rose three percent after the company ported better than expected earnings for the third corner earning seventy percents, seventy eight cents per share excluding certain items versus seventy seven cents per share as expected revenue point nine six billion versus twelve point eight nine billion, so not much of a delta, but stock up on that. Here's something think about Japan is running out of phone numbers. You're saying eleven digits are not enough so Japan plans to read released ten billion fourteen digit numbers, twenty twenty one in response to concern that the country may run out of its eleven digit phone numbers by twenty twenty two. The rapid option IOT devices which require their own. Number Japan is almost depleted nation supply of eleven digit phone numbers. So Levin digit numbers starting zero nine zero zero zero zero seven zero used for mobile phones in Japan, and those are probably gonna be expanded to fourteen digits, and they say that Japan likely won't be the only nation piece things problem needing more numbers. For more devices. Since twenty two thousand eight hundred Ben more than Ben more connected devices, a pint than people and by twenty twenty it's predicted there will be fifty billion connected devices globally. Think about that for second. The US and five other countries. In Europe will have dismantled an elaborate cybercrime ring that relied on one piece of malware to pull up. Heist officials of charge, ten people cross five countries using the go Ghazni 'em Mel wear. They've arrested five of the cues in Georgia Moldova in the Ukraine, and the charges, primarily rob a Bank and computer wire fraud, so basically installed now were on computers. Got your logging information from the Bank, and then went into the Bank and did Bank transfers to their banks. So that's the head of the scheme of it. Microsof- is announcing that they've invested in seven eight I projects to help people at disabilities. Such pretty exciting. This year's Graentiz include the university of California Berkley, Massachusetts, I in ear a teaching hospital of the Harvard Medical unit voice it in Israel. Birmingham City university in the United Kingdom, university of Sydney, in Australia pies on technology Boston in our ability of glenmont, New York. What stands about this round of Graentiz is how many of them are taking standard iae capabilities like chat Bader. Data collection and truly revolutionize in the value of tech says, Microsoft senior excessively architect, Mary. Balare d- doesn't say specifically. Oh, here's one thing. There's absolve work on things like nerve sensing where, what responds, the device, ex, micro movements of a hands and arms and transcend into actions, like a mouse. Click another project is seeks develop a wearable cap that reads a person's EEG and communicates to the cloud to revive seizure. Warnings other tools reliance speech recognition. Power chat bots and apps for people with vision impairment, so exciting stuff. Here. A new company called fill. P H. I L race twenty five million dollars and they want to improve access to specialty drugs. And we all know it's so secret medications prohibitively expensive for a lot of people. The problem is only getting worse with Medicare drugs, rising at ten times, the rate of inflation for every drug, that saw cost down in two thousand eighteen there were ninety six drugs when up it to get even worse comes especially drug Twitter used to treat more complex conditions such as ruthless Roussel. Oh, my God arthritis HIV, and those types of. Complex treatments. So this company's, basically looking to, I don't know how they're going to do this, when we looked at the problem is individual consumers, well as system builders conclusion was that user experiences. She was just tip of the iceberg turns off the real issue, systematic, high-value drug TRICARE significant McKay shin coordination between the MD patient pharmacy insurer. Most is currently happens as if the internet doesn't exist, Fyllas is a platform. No connect all these entities streamline communication workflow making much-needed drugs, cheaper and easier to tame. We'll see. To folk the Phil peppers quickly growing. It has around thirty six thousand prescribers nationwide. So we'll see what they're what they're going to do with this, but anything that can help prescriptions go down for people are great. The company known as fiber F, I V, E, R, R reading get stuff done for five bucks is planning to go public, and it's an Israeli start up backed by Bessemer venture partners and excel, and the gonna go public on the new York Stock Exchange fiber has a last was less bad two hundred sixty two million two thousand fifteen and how much did they make five would seek evaluation of eight hundred million, I PO hard to believe that they're going to be able to do. This is raise one hundred ten million venture funding since at. Wow. Since it was founded and in its registered. Filing fiber report is seventy five point five million revenue for calendar year, two thousand eighteen forty four point nine percent from fifty two million in two thousand seventeen the company lost thirty six million two thousand eighteen compared to nineteen million two thousand seventeen so we'll see. Good luck. To fiber amazing. Also Facebook is tweaking news feeds focus on close friends and relevant. Links believe it. When I see it last show I did not play. The audio clip that, I said, I was going to play, like a knucklehead if I do my Poche show correctly tonight that that'll play after these comments. But I do wanna think everyone for tuning in here, and I did get an Email from. What they did. This come in. Make sure I got that right day is I am me read. This already. And now I did not. So this is a Email from Toby. Oh, he said, I hear you'll be visiting Denver in the near future. If so win. And do you have a listener meet a plan? It would be great to meet you by copier drinker. Whatever Toby, maybe, it'll either be myself going to Denver or MacKenzie on our team members one of the two of us will be in Denver. Maybe in July two this is yeah. Maybe july. I'll let you know, keep you formed on the show, other than that the stream drop again to craziness thing isn't working with the crap. Art of your in. We're gonna get outta here. Those of you listen to podcasts. Don't care the street. The, the you just heard me complaining about it all night. So thanks for being here. Thanks to be part of the family last live show out of HANA Lulu. Everything else be audio for, for a while now, but, you know, I might surprise you with some sort of weird location. Recording of the show may be from barn, or something like that time will tell depends on how am bishops I get, but I'm going to be busy a really, really him so audio it least for the next four to six shows, but the show will go on I don't think I'm gonna miss any episode I may miss one here or there but two shows next week two shows the following week. And then with all luck, I'll be doing the first show in Michigan on June. Third. So after talking with Kirk about our schedule because I'm gonna be on the same time zone as he is from now on out. So we're going to have to work out a way to allow him enough time to get the show notes done in at the same time let me do the show at a reasonable hour. I'd like to start going little earlier. But I don't know. It's going to be possible. But anyway, we'll see we'll work that out and Kirk doesn't get off to work need as do shirt, doing show prep till he gets home. So I have to be flexible with him in his schedules. Well, so some nights, I may have to do show prep. There's a conflict for the six hour difference. He has plenty of time. And that won't be the case going forward. So we'll just figure it out as we go. Hey, it's been fun doing the life show here in Honolulu. Appreciate you guys, some of you hanging with me tonight as this thing, partially worked. I don't know what's going on with the with the folks Rauza, but the Facebook seems to be the, the main culprit, which was goofing up. But I guess we'll see on the other side with live video, but the audio show will continue. Don't go anywhere. Thanks for being here. Thanks to be part of the family thinks being part of this great adventure will see back here on Monday. 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Paycheck Protection Program Funding On Friday? | Thrivers From Coast Are Claiming That Their Paycheck Protection Program Funding is Happening Friday

Thrivetime Show | Business School without the BS

14:39 min | 1 year ago

Paycheck Protection Program Funding On Friday? | Thrivers From Coast Are Claiming That Their Paycheck Protection Program Funding is Happening Friday

"Doug I'm peanut the intro music buddy. Get yourself psychologically prepared here we go three two one. Some shows don't need a celebrity narrator to introduce this show this show to Matt Eight Kids Co created by two different women thirteen multi million dollar businesses ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the show. What yes yes. Yes yes Dr Nation. Many of you have been wanting to know windy paycheck protection program. Funding will actually be in your bank account and so on today's show we're interviewing doug the founder of macro meals. Doug welcome onto the thrive time show. How are you Sir Klay? How's IT GOING BUDDY? Well Hey man I wish I could be talking to you about more positive things than looking to the government for a handout check. But before we ask you questions about the paycheck protection program. Let me attempt to destroy and build up your credibility. What is your first name and last name this Doug Greene in? Did you serve in the military? For how long did you serve in the military? I was in the Marine Corps for eight years eight years. And why did you choose to serve in the Marine Corps There's multiple reasons but it's Wants us to protect Our country and our our freedoms that we've values and let's on a day-to-day basis. Are there certain freedoms that have been violated in the past month a couple of weeks? That your Irritated about it all or you totally cool. With the idea of violating the First Amendment and our right to peaceably assemble in the name of protecting ourselves from the corona virus. It's a great question without going into the gravy saw it it's It's it's pissed me off to be honest with you when I go When I spent the better part of a decade Fighting for The Red White and blue one of the things was capitalism right. We think we tend to overlook the some of those freedoms and as an entrepreneur. It's it really set the set home. I was. I'm totally like why was I over there fighting? Put My wife on the line You Know Lost Over Eighty Marines Arbor talent and For something That now doesn't even matter. You know like it doesn't matter now you know well just to to further encourage you. What's interesting is that America. We were scared. We've got scared. People recently got scared. I was not scared but I can say. A lot of people were scared because of a report. That recently came out from Neil Ferguson. Who is director of the Abdul Latif Djamil Institute for for Disease Emergency Analytics? He reported that two point. Two million Americans might succumb to the corona virus in therefore the decision was made to shut America down for the advice of Dr Deborah Burke who was appointed by President Obama. And now we find ourselves shutdown. Meanwhile whether you agree with it or not we need to get that paycheck protection program funding. Because if you can't be in business then you've got to pay the bills. Somehow you need that cash flow because cash is to a business. What blood is to the human body? You need it. So talk to me about the paycheck protection program. What Bank did you go to to apply for the PAYCHECK Protection Program funding? Well and it's because there's been so many iterations of things that are out on the Internet Actually my best friend is executive at a bank I think it's there was there was full race. They they've had to Fumble through to get the funding We went through three different Three different banks Emmy we finally today. We're able to get Some feedback Hopefully that we'll be funded by the end of this week now. What this week right now. We're recording this on April sixth. So you're saying by the end of the week of April. Sixth Year. Saying you were told you that you will be funded correct and I'm not asking for your friend's name and I'm not asking for the name of his bank. But what title does he hold? He's an executive board. Okay so you you you trust. You've known them for a long time. I wonder Okay so you filled out the paycheck protection program paperwork you feel you filled out the paperwork and where did you fill out the paperwork when we first heard about it I think the interesting thing. Clay is Go back to. My friend is not the one that approves The funding he He said the hype that That that's out there that we're supposed to be this immediate funding. He said realistically the majority mass majority of people should take more along the lines of six weeks or so to get the funding. So how did you did you? Did you go to a different bank or what? How did you get? We did We went to banks again. We didn't know how to navigate our way through it Just because of all except the iterations I were out there We just Kinda Shotgun approach in a bunch of stuff at the warm one stuck hopefully wants to. Who told would be fun? And we haven't been funded yet. But you're told Sarah Little Corona they're working out some corona there but I told viewers too soon but still funny. So you were. You were told that From a different bank you're going to be funded by Friday correct correct okay and I have now. This is now the third thrive. I've spoken to WHO claims the same thing. So this is the third person Jason. What are your clients been told so far about funding for the CORONA VIRUS? Relief The paycheck protection funding. Well at one client on Friday same day so you filled out his foreign Friday morning ticket to his bank early Friday afternoon. They said that he was the first person that actually even asked about it so they got stuff process and they said that he would hear back in one to three days. Okay then he mentioned he sent me a link saying well now the official online applications ready so if you file it his bank. They're now telling people who are doing online. It will be about a week or two weeks before they hear back anything but he said it's also not true. Just go in and see him and then my client Las Vegas who works with a local bank said that he felt his form out Friday. They got back to him this morning and said that They're processing his request as well as other single owners before everybody else so he should have confirmation within the next forty eight hours. Okay and I WANNA make sure this is audio from the heads of the Small Business Administration speaking at the White House. Salami hit players working till four o'clock in the morning at people working around the clock they literally. We had both teams working till four o'clock as morning and start working again today. We've heard feedback from lenders community banks regional banks and we've spent the last twenty four hours making this system even easier so this will be up and running tomorrow. I encourage all small businesses. That have five hundred or fewer people. Please contact your lenders any. Fdic institution will be able to do this any credit union existing SBA lenders and Fintech lenders. You get the money you'll get it the same day. Use this to pay your workers PLO. Okay said you get the money you get it the same day? Have you got the money you have the bag of money that the big negative? You don't have the money you don't have a bag of money. I wish I did okay but but by the way folks out there want to give you back some money. What's the name of your website? And what kind of profound craft can you offer our listeners? David is macaroni hills online dot com. Www dot macro Mac R. O. M. E. A. L. S. Online dot com where in healthy food mill Delivery Company. Okay let I want all the listeners to think deeply about this here we go. If you're hypothetically Corentin right now you're stuck inside your house and you want to show your support and you want to say thank you to a member of the US Marines. Who Serve for the Marines? If you if I can't think of what would be the best way if you're quarantined in your house right now to say thank you to a former marine always a marine who served for our country. What would be the best way to tell them? Thank you What if you're looking for a healthy meal to be delivered to your house because you know maybe you don't you have to go out. You gotta deal with the whole social distancing thing. It's it's difficult to go to Costco in the grocery store. And you're thinking what's a good way to order food online? That's healthy into thinking marine. Who who sacrificed for our country? I wonder I know you should go to macro meals online. That's macro meals online. Dot Com and place an order duck vicky offended if the listeners out there all place in order from macro meals online dot com right now. Would you be offended if the listeners placed an order on your website? Macaroni meals online. Dot Com as a way to provide healthy food for their family. And and as a way of saying thank you. Would you be offended by that? I don't think I would be offended by that. No Sir Thank you for folks out there today. What better way to say? Thank you to Doug Green. What better way to say? Thank you to a healthy meal. What better way to say? Doug we appreciate you go into macro meals online dot com. Get your healthy meals delivered delivered right there and again? Doug you said you'll be funded on Fridays. What you were told correct. But that's okay drivers. If you need the links to apply for this paycheck protection program which by the way covers two and a half times your monthly payroll. Just go to today's show notes. Click right there. Click on today's show notes. Have all the links right there for you? We'll help you get funded as soon as possible. Doug you're a great American and hope you have a great rest of your day. See what he by and now without further ado three. What say you're the One? You're big time whenever the enemy knows that. Want to stop the trump succeeding. Because they're much is given much were talking about Abraham and Abraham want to stay with one country one company Vinnie. New State is going to be your all the gun a clean slate album. Zaki sits never make solid as a rock royalty. Evernote doing what you call me to. Glow Compensation Blow told me. I got friends I got. That'll go. We go pick in the great patience moment. No stopping. This thing is just off the wall. You will stand up like a champ colonel in the ball to to this country and away from his because he was with his post because he was the one they are always on the hit list. Because his what I'll talk to some people heck attack from it happened coming problems that you obtain crazy remember when they come. Awad back you happy failure. That's what life would news WanNa make the to execute the key pain above? God is not me town like I am the one we just be clear. Clay kicking colossal taking. Noboby Ashburn country from his. Because he was so he could stay with his kin folks because it was the one they are always on the hit list. Because of Steph hoping that succesful twenty three g got another kid. I never thought I'd have to stop by the thoughts that we feel. So you'll stop begging for people to come to agreement with you so you start doing. Polls and census add trying to get everybody to come into consensus with your vision so you won't be provided say man with your preach 'cause you already know man listen to the entire. Td jakes sermon. Grasping the moment by visiting td. Jakes YouTube Channel simply named TD jakes Gloria.

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225 - Navajo Code Talkers

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

2:20:54 hr | 4 months ago

225 - Navajo Code Talkers

"Can you imagine fighting a war for a country that removed you from the land. Your ancestors lived on for centuries a country currently actively trying to erase your language and culture. That's exactly what the navajo kotok did in world war two the navajo code talkers took part in every assault. The us marines conducted in the pacific from nineteen forty two to nineteen forty-five they served all six. Marine divisions marine raider battalions and marine parachute units transmitting messages by telephone radio in their native language. A code that the japanese never broke the idea to use navajo for secure. Communications came from philip. Johnston the son of a missionary to the navajos. In one of the few non navajos on earth who spoke. They're incredibly complicated. Language fluently johnson reared on the navajo reservation was a world war. One veteran who knew of the military search for a code that would withstand all attempts to decipher. He also knew that native languages notably choctaw had been used in world war one to encode messages successfully before and these languages had recently nearly been wiped out by the us government in an assimilation attempt to force natives to adopt american mainstream culture at the expense of their own traditions. And now that same government would be using these languages to help the world war two war effort while some tribes were still sending their children to boarding schools where students were punished for. Speaking in their mother tongues soldiers were using those same languages to outmaneuver the japanese in the south pacific. How ironic despite these circumstances. The navajo code talkers still thought they still wanted to make the country proud. They also wanted to make their parents and communities proud by using the navajo language to contribute to the war effort. He's brave meet sachs built unbreakable code from a language. They'd been forbidden to speak. In their childhood. The inspirational story of the navajo codebreakers a deep dive into the pacific theater of world. War two and of course so much more today on time suck. This is michael mcdonald. And you're listening to time. Suck states talk happy. Monday mate zac hail nimrod stay close to fina phrase will jingles and singers into a better year triple m. it's fucking here another year. Twenty twenty one does it. Feel kind of surreal you. It feels kinda real to me. Twenty twenty is over. It's actually over. I'm dan collins a master sucker. Spokane area dwayne. Chauffeur crawls cafe busboy. And you are listening to time suck thank you to the many meet sachs who sent in the nicest emails regarding my grandfather's recent passing Silvery kind we have some great time sucker updates for those of you who listen to the whole show at the end of today's show and sometimes those updates are my favorite parties episodes What i don't have today. Ernie more updates affront still still waiting to come back with standup dates Still too much uncertainty out there going to be well probably for the tour kicks off again so we have this show to do which is plenty Let's get into it digging into topic today to cover some very important very brave meets acts and the invaluable contributions they made to the preservation of democracy worldwide when world war two was not going well for the allies when japan was conquered islands in the pacific bombing pearl harbor devastating the american public when hitler and his big military hate machine was butchering its way through europe toppling governments and moving ahead with plans of world domination and genocidal devastation. It was scary times for the us in many other. Allied nations uk soviet union chana india canada australia new zealand so many others refined to very powerful enemies and sides of the world. The allies needed all the help. They can get the got some from an unusual place from a group of brave men living in a nation inside another nation they were talking about the navajo code talkers and a lot. More men fighting for a country at odds with their own culture. So come join me. Listen joy their fascinating complex. An inspirational story yip to the fucking yaw month after month after the us inner world war two follow jeff following japanese bombing of pearl harbor japanese military intelligence officers continually cracked every code the us military through into its operations. Japan was a formidable foe. One of two terrifying opponents. Us were now fighting the other. Being of course hillary germany nearly ten million well armed troops with a powerful air force and navy also italy's three million troops You know under the fascist moves leany to worry about that. They pose the smallest threat to the. Us reportedly trained not well armed but also strong enough to you. Couldn't totally ignore them. There's a lot going on. Imperial japan had over seven million. Highly trained troops to worry about in japan. Had the imperial navy third largest navy in the world and nine hundred forty one and unlike britain in the us they had the two largest navies in the world. They didn't have to divide their naval power between the pacific and the atlantic. In order to the us are in order for the us to outmaneuver in defeat mighty japan in the pacific. They needed to code. The japanese couldn't break across the atlantic in europe. The germans were also winning in the code. Wars against the allies. And the enigma machine. We cover these incredibly complicated machines super smart polish math nerd monsters who cracked him over and over again in suck to seventeen suck is a sister. Suck that suck. Nasr we covered in the 'nigma suck breaking codes or making unbreakable. Codes mean the difference between life and death often was the difference between life and death. Victory and defeat stakes couldn't have been higher. Get your code broken. You lose another battle more troops die lose enough battles and troops you lose the whole damn war than the whole map could look real real different today. The polish french english would end up beating the enigma machine with math The us try something else to make their unbreakable code. Are you something else. You know to form their unbreakable code. because fuck math right. Americans need nerds. Sure shit. don't eat fake science. No thanks nice try you. Deep state serving fauvism fake news pushing aluminum puppets u. s. u. s. marriage guessing though. That was what. I believe it. All of the. Us really did not turn to mass. For real. at least not to create the codes today would use. They did use mass of course to break the codes as we talked about in that 'nigma suck the us military turned to something they'd used before to code messages. Something they'd use back world war one a sparsely spoken native language. The army was the first recruit a number tribes beginning late. Nineteen forty recruiting command. She's choctaw so hope he's cherokees to serve in a special office in oklahoma to develop code to be used in europe against the nazis about two years later the marines turned to the navajo nation on the recommendation of a white civil engineer from los angeles. Who grew up speaking navajo language. A marine corps leadership initially selected twenty nine navajo men to create a code out of their complex and maybe more importantly totally unwritten navajo language. And these men would become the original navajo code. Dockers locked in a room for weeks on end. They figured out how to translate three lines of english and just twenty seconds much faster than the thirty minutes that existing code breaking machines used or took once he started the navajo code talkers participate in every subsequent major marine operation in the pacific theater and they gave the marines and critical advantage throughout the war code they developed based on the navajo. Language will become the only secret military language to go unbroken in modern warfare. History co gave the us and allied forces huge advantage against japan during world war two countless lives saved and what makes her contributions especially remarkable as it fact that they had such little reason to assist a us government in this way today suck is absolutely drenched in irony. Navajo were asked to fight for our country that have been fighting against them specifically for over one hundred fifty years and even crazier they're asked by the. Us government develop a code out of a language that just a generation before the same government had tried to eradicate and certain parts of the country. The government was still trying to eradicate native languages. wall world. war was being fought and afterwards it was like asking your neighbor to borrow snowblower after a massive storm bears your driveway. After spending the entirety of all the years you'd live next to this neighbor Previous to the storm trying to destroy said snowblower to say jim jam snowblower. Yours tried running down with my truck few months ago. Yeah yeah the one. I swung his sledgehammer out. When you walked back in your garage gloves. I want to shoot at with my twenty two whenever you try used on your driveway. Yes the one. Can i borrow that now. i need it now. I now i do kinda want it. Sorry about all the trouble before fucking and say we're going to do more details. Us attended erasing the navajo language. That would later helped them. Greatly an a bit. And as i mentioned earlier the navajo. Not the only tribe. They held a us war effort after repeatedly getting fucked over by the us government for centuries by end of the war between thirteen and fifteen additional tribes used their languages to help relay secure messages on world. War two battlefields travel code. Talkers would serve in all branches of the military during the war and before we really dig into their contributions and not just world war two but also world war one. Take a brief moment to look at language in general. This might be my favorite part of this episode. Day to help wrap our brains around how the navajo language is so unique and now this is. This is my second favorite. Part was my favorite part. Maybe towards you language is one of the most important things that we meet sacs have ever created rights gives us the ability to contemplate our own existences to form civilizations from complex interpersonal relationships and work together on an numeral variety of tasks is you know an accomplished linguist. I almost speak one language fluently. I am nearly fully lingual not buyer trailing we'll just lingual kinda sad but true and ironically. I make my living speaking that's weird world anyway. The oldest languages include sanskrit tamil or tunnel sumerian hebrew euskera language of the basque people from the borders spain and france basque language especially fascinating thought to be the oldest european language older than latin not related to any other language in europe or elsewhere We think the languages. I list are some of the world's if not the oldest but we don't know for sure because we don't always existed before the the written languages we have records for now are. These are the oldest languages we have found. Written records for there could be numerous languages that never developed a written component That existed for centuries or millennia prior the question of how old language is is still being debated by linguist most currently seem to agree that it began around the time when modern humans homo sapiens evolved in africa with modern skull shapes and vocal cords. Sometime between sixty thousand and two hundred thousand years ago with the proper tools in place skull size brain voice box language vault lot of theories out there as to why we evolved language in the first place study of macau. Monkeys supports the idea. The languages may have evolved to replace grooming as a better way afford gene interpersonal bonds. And i read that as language evolved at least partly out of our ancestor desires. To get late. I mean right one little dude monkey longtime ago trying to impress them. The lady monkey a monkey hair. Picking some lights out. Maybe doing a better job than other did monkeys. And suddenly some other ancient prodigy monkey says something like like in monkey. Speak the all the other dude monkeys like. Fuck me speak to like grab no cut now. Hack me speak now saying something like that. All the monkeys raising language game obviously the jump firm no language. the language was that abrupt. But i think there's quite a bit of truth that analogy to other theories posit that our ancestors began to develop language by imitating natural. Sounds like birds calls an animal noises. Or human communication may have started with the emanation of involuntary. Sounds like distress. Sounds from pain or surprise. Wales of sadness cheers of joy or triumph maybe orgasms and then that evolved in some kind of early language. Language is so important. Some of our most enduring myths and folklore dedicated to try and explain how why we invented it. The tower babble explained in the biblical book. Genesis tells of a tower built in the land of shinar babylon according to genesis. The babylonians wanted to make a name for themselves by building a mighty city and a tower that would reach up into literal heaven several generations after the great flood and god who according to the story didn't want people to reach. Heaven disrupted their work by confusing the language of the workers so they could no longer understand one another then he knocked him off the tower and you dispersed them all over the world and wherever they landed a new culture arose with the new language. Most will type seem to view. This story is being highly symbolic self. Do view it. As literal truth created by god flicking ancient humans off tower. So we couldn't sneak into a magic cloud heaven like a kid flicking off a popsicle stick or not probably not. Currently there are between seven thousand one hundred and seventy five hundred languages spoken in the world sell too. Literal stuff's true has a lot of la dude. Getting flipped off a tower that day. Most of the seven thousand plus languages are spoken by only a small group of people just twenty. Three of all of those languages are spoken by more than half of the world's seven point. Eight billion people English sometimes credited with with getting the most overall use currently at one point one three two billion speakers. Mandarin chinese has somewhere around one point one one seven billion. Those are the two titans if you can speak english and mandarin. You can get by if not thrive linguistically damn near anyplace in the world. A spanish hindi french arabic also way up. Their spanish is the language with the second most native speakers in the world with four hundred and sixty million people Hindi has six hundred fifteen million total speakers followed by five hundred. Thirty four million. Total spanish speakers Two hundred eighty million french-speakers two hundred seventy four million arabic speakers a polish a slavic language has zero speakers. Interestingly does have around fifty five million crunchers poop throws jacob does have around fifty five million acres these numbers to be clear estimates Always fluctuating no. One is surveyed every single human being on the planet yet also hard to define what speaking a language means in terms of how proficient you are but you know the numbers give us a general idea for comparison as of a two thousand two. Us census only around one hundred and seventy thousand people speak navajo which can tell you how many people spoke at back in nineteen forty you know around world war. Two time But nineteen forty cents is takers did not give a shit about Native languages they didn't ask those questions within the us as two thousand nineteen between three hundred eleven. Three hundred and fifty languages being spoken by population of around three hundred twenty. Eight million is the fifth most languages per nation in the world. Roughly one hundred fifty of those languages are languages Interestingly the nation with the most languages spoken is papa new guinea remarkable two hundred eighty or sorry eight hundred and twenty different languages coexist over eleven percent of the known languages in the world. Some of them currently spoken only by a handful literally of well not literally could your hand but like like five six ten fifteen people you know the the elderly members of just one tiny village a number of languages extinct every year. Such a strange thought to me At least two hundred and thirty languages went extinct between nineteen fifty and two thousand two hundred thirty at least just completely gone forever. The pace at which languages is going extinct is accelerating measure being the last person on earth to speak your language. How much harder would that make your life. Everything else as the same now. No one else who language think about how difficult it would be to learn a new language if there were literally no translators anywhere else on earth like i can fumble my way through spanish on a trip badly mostly because i can ask komo's cd say and then insert whatever you know word. I need spanish here in espanol now it just means how do you say this word spanish i can i can. I can ask that only of someone who speaks both english and spanish on a place where we're no one speaks a word of english totally fucked because then a boils down to just like pointed shit hold shit displaying str- shrugging shoulder. I don't this. What do you say this thing here. you know. Being frustrated kickoff yelling language so important to survival. Think about how hard would be to hold down a job. If you didn't speak the local tongue could you get by that sure. Many do but it doesn't look easy. Could you achieve some high level of success. The probably not unlikely harder on a business. You can't talk to your customers now. Definitely it gives you a severe disadvantage. Imagine suddenly your phone computer. All your devices only revealed information in a language. You did not understand. Every book street sign instruction manual. Foreign language can't speak a word of everyone around. You speak some foreign tongue. I would turn your world upside down so grateful surrounded by people who share the same tongue makes life a hell of a lot easier Estimated that of the world's more than seven thousand languages a half of them will be extinct in just thirty years twenty fifty as people give up their smaller local languages for ones that are better for living in a globalised world. Currently on average every two weeks and other language goes extinct Now take a closer look. At native american. Or american indian tongues languages and us as i said earlier of the roughly three hundred and fifty languages spoken about one hundred fifty Spoken by estimated. Three hundred and fifty thousand american tribal members. The number of american indian languages varies from one hundred. Fifteen to one hundred and seventy five depending on sources hard to pin down. Exactly what the information that's out there the navajo language. The focus of today's suck is the most spoken native language by far right now with nearly a hundred and seventy thousand speakers the next most common big drop off. Is you pick one thousand nine thousand seven hundred fifty spoken in alaska second. Most spoken language has less than twenty thousand speakers. One lakers home basketball game with the staples center full fans. That's it no more and once you get outside of the top seven drops incredibly dramatically dropped four digits. Less than ten thousand people still speak zuni most living in new mexico. The nets pierce niraj grew up in central northern north central idaho less than a thousand speakers. Local court elaine tribe around the suck dungeon less than two hundred around one hundred and seventy five speakers left not enough to fill the stands of a high school basketball. Not even close the largest tribal group left in the us the cherokee with over seven hundred thousand people and only roughly two thousand fluent in cherokee right now. Most of them over the age of sixty. According to the indigenous language institute there were once more than three hundred indigenous language in the us but the estimate only twenty will be around. We twenty by the middle of the twentieth century. Roughly two thirds of all indigenous american languages county north central and south america had already died out or were on the brink of extinction. Ninety nine percent of the american languages indian language is still spoken. Today are in danger of quickly becoming extinct. The overwhelming majority of americans. They speak only english. According to the two thousand sixteen cents info of the roughly six point seven million american indians and alaska natives seventy three percent of those age. Five years or older speak. Only english is a bunch of programs initiatives with a goal of preserving native languages. But it's challenging most kids just not into it. I get it right. They want to scroll memes. Want to talk about twisted. Tea can shots to the head. They watch youtube videos like my kids that she does not being produced in native tongues. It's going to be a real struggle to keep these languages live making things even harder. A lot of native languages only spoken never written and of those that did have a written components. Much of the written texts were destroyed. Thanks to cultural assimilation. Programs will talk about sue now. Let's talk about colonization how that affected language preservation and or language destruction round the world throughout human history. The colonization of one culture over another through military or economic means. It's often equated to the degradation. Destruction of native languages. Language destruction doesn't always happen but it often does. Language can be a source of political self determination and to destroy it is due partially. Destroy your enemies identity and if you're gonna raise their identity really no longer have an enemy. You've absorbed them. They become part of you. This way makes sense. Strictly from a pragmatic view for invading forces to stamp out the language of their subjects. Right the lines of the modern map the lines of all maps been drawn by conquers on your conquering there. Often isn't a lot of room for sensitivity. Thoughtfulness conquers aren't really thinking about language preservation. the thinking about keeping order preventing uprisings and if Some languages have to die to make that happen while then some languages have to die. In the case of the colonization of north america hundreds of years of war between europeans and natives eventually led to a policy of forced similar assimilation. Did away with much of native history culture and language sometimes sheer number of indians You know Being killed to either disease or combat shrunk their languages to either total extinction or near extinction levels in the fifteenth century when european settlers began to arrive in north america the continent was richly populated with native communities by combining all published estimates from populations through the americas several historians agree on a probable total indigenous population of around sixty million in fourteen ninety two for comparison europe's population at the time. Seventy to eighty eight million not that much more Some estimates say there was about one hundred twenty. Five million people living in china's ming empire at the same time and the native population would declined to less than six million by sixteen fifty a loss of ninety percent and just over a century and a half for centuries following fourteen ninety two the expansion of settlers territory and the eventual growth the us resulted in north american tribes and native nation communities being moved renamed combined dispersed and in some cases outright destroyed the tribal members military conquest and disease were subsequently subjected to political conquest situation sometimes referred to colloquially in native communities as death by red tape and eighteen o six the federal office of the superintendent of indian trade was created specifically to monitor and control economic activity between indian nations in the us government after office disbanded in eighteen twenty two in march eighteen twenty four secretary of war john c calhoun created the bureau of indian affairs to replace it officially placing responsibility for working with indian communities under the control of the us war department. This new bureau controlled a lot more than tribal economic activity. In addition to controlling trade. The bureau was responsible for settling disputes between indians and european americans as well as for appropriating funds from congress to fund efforts by the indian to a culture eight american indians into european American society and culture. By the way i hung up on that word. I don't remember seeing it before culture. It means to alter who sharing and learning the cultural traits or social patterns of another group The first legal justification for the removal in isolation of american indians occurred as a result of the indian removal act of eighteen thirty. Most indians living east of the mississippi were relocated west of the river. To what is now oklahoma. The infamous trail of tears need finally do episode on it one of these days as white as the white population grew in the. Us and people settled further west towards mississippi in late eighteen. Hundreds there was increasing pressure on the recently removed groups to give up some their new land and on western tribal nations such as the dakota to enter into more treaties. The indian appropriations act of eighteen. Fifty one authorized the creation of the first modern american indian reservations then. The era of purposefully stamping out american indian languages kicked off towards the end of the nineteenth century. When reports regarding the poor quality of life on reservations led the federal government to change to a new policy based on forced assimilation instead of concentration an isolation the allotment act better known as the dawes act passed by congress in eighteen. Eighty seven ended the general policy of granting land parcels to hold tribes and instead started granted small parcels of land to individual tribe members of big shift here. The goal was to pressure indians into becoming farmers or ranchers in the style of european settlers thereby helping to assimilate them right now. You should make it clear that these assimilation temps were not always nefarious ill-intentioned. Many white americans days gone by earnestly thought that if they educated american indians and english and persuaded them or force them to change adopt lives more closely resembling their own tribe members could then thrive in the new nation that had sprung up around them. They'd be happy to give up their so-called more primitive ways of life lot of good intentions with a similar assimilation truly oft quoted saying about good intentions that the road to hell is paved with him. Simulation est initiated four movements designed to ensure their victory in a cultural context lassie's and ways life allotment the boarding school system reorganization and termination. Now we already dug into a lot more at least explained it a little bit. Only going to really dig into the boarding school system going forward. The boarding school system. is where native language is probably suffered the most from the mid nineteenth century until as recently as nineteen sixties native families in both canada and the. Us were compelled by law to send their kids to boarding schools often far from home in the us. So-called indian schools were sadly often run by people with deep racial biases one example. This is the carlisle indian industrial school that existed in carlisle pennsylvania. It's founder richard pratt and the richer so many dick's he sucks. described as mission in eighteen ninety to kill the indian in him and saves the man him. No acculturation there. That's why washing. No we want to give you the tools to succeed the new society that round you a new way of living like it or not is here to stay while also maintaining pride in your culture. Now this was less gentle of out the old in with the new real face of future. And fuck your past kind of at the height of the indian boarding school era between eighteen seventy seven and nineteen eighteen. The us allocated adjusted for inflation. Two point eight billion dollars to support the nation's boarding school infrastructure and educational system designed primarily to destroy You know native culture languages Assimilate indigenous people into white european culture. the cherokee nation would get especially simulated after the trail of tears in eighteen thirties. Cherokee nation reestablish itself is somewhat sovereign nation indian territory present day oklahoma. A bilingual public education system was created and cherokee tribes govern their own schools for quite some time and students learned everything from latin to algebra in cherokee and it was a system that worked than the eighteen cherokee students or. I'm sorry in the eighteen eighties. Cherokee students had a higher literacy rate and cherokee than their white neighbors in arkansas and texas but then starting in hundred eighty seven when land belonging to the cherokee nation and four other tribes in. Oklahoma was divided up and given to individuals at process of allotment the government began his takeover of tribally. Run school systems. These new administrators had very little if any respect for native languages. John d. benedict superintendent of schools in indian territory during the transition complained in an eighteen nineteen in eighteen ninety nine letter about educator. Speaking to their students in native languages he also complained about female students studying mathematics instead of learning domestic skills and housekeeping different times under this new. Fuck your culture and language and bow down to western patriarchy system. That native student attend native students cheeses natives student attendance come on mouth plummeted amongst cherokee and many other tribes and tribal nations right. It was working just fine when they were allowed to learn in their own language and then when they were not started to not work so fine at all the choctaw nation also in oklahoma attendance in rural schools fell by forty three percent between eighteen ninety two and nineteen seven college. Attendance dropped zero. This english only system native children were punished for speaking their own languages. Mouths were washed out with soap Kids were spank sometimes whipped with leather strap such punishment. We continue in parts of rural oklahoma. All the way up until the seventies the nineteen seventies not eighteen saudis in early nineteen hundreds. Cherokee children were sent to boarding schools like the shylock. Oh indian agricultural school an indian boarding school on the oklahoma kansas state line in january of eighteen eighty four schlock opened its doors to one hundred and fifty kids in the cheyenne arapaho wichita comanche and pony tribes by eighteen. Ninety five enrollment had increased to three hundred and fifty two by ninety o. Six students hailed from a wide variety of tribes across oklahoma in the west. Large off reservation. Schools like this one used rigorous military discipline stressed instruction and trades manual and domestic labor known as quote actual work alumni. Would report twenty. Two bugle calls a day. Government issue uniforms scanty meals inadequate healthcare very little individual attention probably zero affection during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries estimated one third of all tribal children living in the us force to attend indian boarding schools. Like this like shellac. Oh i can imagine that happened. You imagine being told that your culture including your language best forgotten your family's ways or not to be remembered that they were less than they were primitive sent miles and hundreds of miles away from your home raised by people who don't give a fuck about you. Such a shame that all this could have been done with some dignity respect compassion especially because by this time communities not a threat whatsoever to the sovereignty of the us government right the concord. We're going to remain Conquered some compassion. Wasn't going to change. That and i say that someone who's not against similarly assimilation not all forms not at all. If a new culture takes over and their way is now by far the most dominant way into refuse to assimilate equals economic destruction than. I do think it's a situation of if you can't beat them join them but tonight allow those joining you to still retain pride in their old ways to destroy that cultural pride to keep their old. you know. it's not let them keep their old language or adding yours. Just seems unnecessary. Seems like some store winner. Shit like i said earlier. How ironic these native languages would later helped. Us and not just one but but two world wars had government led assimilation. Worked more effectively would have been no navajo code breakers because no one would know how to speak now. Also how remarkable. That americans were willing to help the war effort at all. After all this shit before we dig into the main thrust today's info World war two's code talkers. Let's first talk. A look at the code talkers. Codebreakers of their code dockers. Let's first look at the code. Doctors who helped win world war one. I'd no idea that even existed before going over the research for this week suck while the tribal children were being sometimes literally whipped for speaking in their native tongue at schools back home in oklahoma. On the battlefields of france the native languages were much needed. Answer to a very big problem in the autumn of nineteen eighteen. Us troops were involved in the muse. Argonne offensive on the western front as one of the largest frontline commitments of american soldiers in world war. One over twenty six thousand americans will die here. Roughly one hundred thousand will be wounded indications in the in the field were being compromised the beginning of this This this Offensive fighting last over six weeks ending on armistice day november eleventh nine hundred eighteen the end of the war well over a million. Total combatants will take part in this This giant battle second-deadliest battle in american history. The germans had successfully tap telephone lines were deciphering codes and repeatedly capturing runners sent out to deliver messages directly. Germans despite losing the war were still breaking. Us military codes and slaughtering us soldiers. And is this insanely bloody war wound down a number of. Us officers appeared to finally and independently realized that they should use american tribal members to send messages to their respective units. The earliest documented use of native code talkers the eastern band cherokee indians from north carolina began during this psalm. Offensive which lasted from september twenty-ninth to armistice day oct six or seven to one hundred fifth infantry regiment discovered that there battlefront mess just sending english being intercepted by the germans who were then taking immediate counteractions including artillery almost as soon as messages had been sent resulted in massive casualties summoned to a meeting of the signal officers by the division signal officer to discuss ways to counteract this problem i threw tenant john w stanley proposed a solution he knew that the nineteenth and the one hundred twentieth infantry regiments contained quite a number of cherokee soldiers and he heard them talking their native talks. He was confident that if you put them on the telephone to transmit messages in their language no germans will be able to figure out what the hell they were saying. He was absolutely right. The next day every command post from brigade forward was stabbed with the cherokee soldier and not a single additional message was intercepted by the germans and another tribe that acted as world war. One dockers were members of the choctaw nation. Choctaw the best documented group of world war one code dockers during the final days of the muse. Argonne offensive i just mentioned colonel alfred blower commander of the hundred and forty second infantry regiment us number of choctaw speakers to move troops coordinate attacks and messages is a move to northern france chalked language allowed for the quick creation of a double coated code while some choctaw terms were equivalent to english counterparts. Others did not exist so they had to work quickly to develop them. The work patrol became many scouts. A grenade became known as stone. Regiment became tribe casualties became scalps. A second battalion became to grains of corn. A big gun used indicate artillery little gun. Shoot fast Substitute for machine gun. the name colonel. Alfred blower a big white dick bosman with tiny pink penis. Jake that's trudel. But how funny would it be if they tried to sneak stuff like that in there just to amuse themselves and they got caught. You know you fucking serious. Corporal raven feather you referred to me in choctaw as big white dick bosman tidy pick penis. Sir yes sir. That is the closest choctaw translation for your name sir. Are you telling me. Rule that colonel. Alfred bore translates directly into that horse. Shit sir yes sir. I do not decide. How language works sir. I merely following your order sir corporal. What does the closest choctaw translation for sergeant major harrison. How does his name translate storage. America's sergeant major airs are a strong warrior who fights with honor. Sir will fuck me in the face coverings filler. Starting johnson johnson is noble gladiator with a lion's heart. Sir are you fucking shit. Me georgia's goddamn gladiator. Lionheart star major says audible. Were i'm a big with a ton of pig prentice. So yes sir. The choctaw language is as mysterious as it is cruel. Sir okay. i'm done now. That was fun for me. To think up at least the insertion encoded terms. I listed earlier and in the choctaw language created code did an unknown language. That's a double code and it was unbreakable for the germans choctaw language. Communicators helped set the precedent of using native languages for secure military communications. They'll become the code talkers woodward to and beyond cherokee and other tribes contributed to america's world war one effort cherokee historian emmet star provides a brief reference to the use of cherokees will war one according to star while in combat george dare was taken from the fire line in france in place with other full blood cherokees in the telephone service. Were they foiled. The german listeners are repeating receiving and transmitting military orders in the cherokee language. There's name appears in a list of sixty eight cherokee that's That served company e one hundred and forty second infantry in the thirty sixth division in world war one several other tribes like the cheyenne osage ho-chunk aka winnebago Been recognized as world war. One code talkers. John h long tail and rob big thunder cousins were two of twenty nine ho-chunk who originally enlisted in the one hundred twenty eight th infantry regiment of the thirty second division early one thousand nine hundred eighteen. Both men appear in april. Sixth nine hundred eighteen embarkation list for company. A seventh infantry regiment third division said in from hoboken new jersey in one thousand nine hundred issue indian school journal reprinted from milwaukee wisconsin the sentinel Describes their service like so many indians in the war. These men were used for scouts. Snipers and telephone operators enduring their seven weeks in the frontline trenches had many interesting and exciting experiences. Another place where they were invaluable was in transmitting messages where there was a possibility of messages being intercepted by germans. In these cases the indians would transmit the messages in their own tongue. Both these men wounds on june twenty-first in france and both would recover their used for military communications in june. Or their use of you know use it. They're language for military communications in june of nineteen eighteen. The earliest dated use of american indian military communicators. That we know of and there were other native world war. One code talkers comanche. Soldiers aided in the three hundred and fifty seven th infantry regiment ninetieth infantry division. Lakota yanked cheyenne men Use code doctors of osage served in world war one. Some also used as code talkers. None of these soldiers received any official recognition until the late nineteen eighties. When the choctaw comanche began recognizing their own code talkers who had died by that time following the award of gold and silver congressional medals to the navajo code talkers world war. Two in two thousand and two thousand one other tribes and began recognized their code talkers including many of the woodward one veterans who chartered the course for the world war. Two codebreakers follow us native languages for secure for secure communications in world. War one came in two forms. Type one native code talking about the use of native language with additional specially encoded vocabulary. Such as what the choctaw created near the end of the war at whole big white dick bosman with a tiny peak paints then type two native american code talking involved only use of everyday vernacular native languages because they were unknown. Do the germans also worked effectively. Both types set a precedent for development of similar systems in world war two following world war one in the long build to lead to world war two. The germans did everything they could not get food. In the same way again following the war nazi authorities and a team of thirty anthropologists to the us to learn native languages and fucking scheming. They're getting ready for that war for years. The sneaky fuckers picture. These germans is not a very good job trying to sneak in well. Kim mean ten wrinkle and this is my visit psychic naughty. I mean. I mean the german anthropologist cowl. He's a wonderful mind taking a break from trying to find the soul. Tunnels envy volunteering. We could learn the native tongues to aid us on a quest takeovers avowed and we make it in our own image hoping to turn the spear of destiny. I mean we are students. How studying shavings car. Says it would be nice to maybe break some codes down the road and say i mean. Learn things for you. Just please let us at london. Languages are only make sense. If you heard the nazi search for the holy grail suck from year ago Sorry not sorry. If you haven't heard that anyway clayton vogel who helped establish the navajo code talker program wrote about successful german efforts in the nineteen forty two letter instead. The navajos the only tribe in the united states. It is not been infested with german students. During the past twenty years these germans studying the various tribal dialects under the guise of being art students anthropologists etc have undoubtedly attained a good working knowledge of all travel dialects except navajo. How crazy is that. Only one dr not infested with german students fucking sneaky nazis now picturing even something more ridiculous picture classroom some small tribes. You know ten or fifteen young kids. Five six years old sitting another their teacher learn their language. Then there's just like this one full grown just very pale skinned german. He's makeup dark and a lot of the skin were out of date. Moccasins like really like stereotypical cliche. Loincloth forget headdress. Just trying to another kid. Excuse me sir. what are you doing here. This is a class for first grade. Mccaw students that is i'm here. That is what i am. I am running with german shepherds. I'm a typical six year. Old native child. Vincent unquenchable says from my language in my heritage dude. You're german and you're at least thirty. Get the fuck outta here The navajo language. Although by far the most commonly spoken language now also one of the most notoriously difficult to master how for us us assimilation efforts not wipe it out. It'd be so good world war two. Now let's get into one or two never about world war one about Fight in europe now for the giants head to world war two the south pacific jump into some navajo code talking in our timeline. After a quick sponsor break twenty twenty. What a year. Twenty twenty was full of unique challenges. 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We wanted that Man she goes a puppet state symbolically governed by the former chinese emperor. Pu ye really controlled entirely by japan. All the european war to kick off nineteen thirty nine. This marks the beginning of japan's entrance into global conflict eight years earlier and origins of this invasion. Actually go back to before the turn of the century to the first Sinoe japanese war of eighteen ninety-five and understand that war if the backup another forty years after two centuries of self seclusion from the rest of the world japan to his l. to trade with the us and eighteen fifty four to the convention of kind of kinda gawa- under the threat of force us president military film us president millard fillmore. I forget about him constantly like i. I had to look up like was that a president millard fillmore. I'll be down. We did have a president but any he'd sent a fleet of us naval worships to japan to encourage them what unquote to open themselves. Up for. trade. Bit more manifest destiny here american thinking. It was their duty to force them western culture in asia. And of course you know. Make some money. Japan will not forget this bull lean. They're proud nation will harbor anti-american angst. It will take flight literally. Nearly a century later in the attack on pearl harbor spite the intimidation japan may have signed a trade agreement with us. Anyway you'd have to have them brought to warships release with someone. They'd heard through dealings with a few dutch traders. The only westerners they've been talking to for centuries about how you know the other western nations military technologies were really evolving. It evolved you know to too far surpass their own and it was about time for japan to start catching up if they didn't want to completely taken over someday. Soon over the following few decades japan modernized. And the japanese sent delegations and students around the world to learn and assimilate western arts and sciences with the intention of making japan equal to the western powers is reform transformed japan from a feudal society into a modern industrial state. Then in eighteen seventy six career another long secluded nation over to sell to trade with japan and that made china nervous. They didn't like the thought of japan longtime neighbor and rival getting too cozy with the nation that shared a land border with them so they started interfering in korean affairs and by eighty two that essentially turn korea into a puppy so he states and japan didn't care for that and the first japanese war was fought largely in korea between china and japan over influence in korea and japan shocked the world in one against the heavily favored china. The little island nation that could did china ended up ceding. The lao dong peninsula taiwan and the peng who islands to japan also paid almost eighteen million pounds little pounds. Eighteen million pounds of silver to japan is worth so much silver as war reparations. Right to the victor. Go the spoils. And this war will lead to the russo japanese war of one thousand nine hundred ninety five after establishing a foothold in mainland asia. Japan now feared russia. If you're russia wanted to create a sphere of influence in korea and manchuria. Which is real close to them. Japan offered to recognize russian. Dominance in men in manchuria. In exchange for russia recognizing korea is belonging to the japanese sphere of influence and russia was like now fucked at and japan was like well. Fuck you then now. In other wars fought japan will shock the rest of the world again. Japan established itself as a new world power by whipping czar. Nicholas the seconds ass a humiliating humiliating defeat for russia. That will cause the russian public turn on. His are a defeat that will help enable the bolshevik revolution just about a little decade later that will lead to a communist takeover as a direct result of the russo japanese war japanese influence replaces russia's in inner manchuria. During the war with russia japan mobilized about a million soldiers to fight manchuria. Meaning that one and eight family pan had a member fighting in the war during the russo japanese war. The losses were very heavy with japan. Losing half a million Either dead or wounded because of all this carnage. many japanese felt manchuria. Was owed to them. They took this viewpoint that a land were so much. Japanese blood has been spilt now. Belong to them and the sentiment will lead to japan's takeover of manchuria. In nineteen thirty one now is back up a bit and then move forward again to get a feel for japan's world war two ambitions. I really liked learning all this. Because i don't know when i've watched a lot of world war two kind of Historical documentaries and things in the past. Obviously while i should say obviously the ones i've seen tend to have been focused heavily on nazi germany. A not as much japan. So i feel like I've always for longtime pretty familiar with wi- nazi germany did with. They did very little idea why japan was doing what they did. Now now i know. Now you'll know the 'nigma machine sucked. We talked about hitler's plan. If he won world war two right essentially he wanted world domination. Pretty pretty simple pretty straightforward He wanted to turn the world into a labor thrum or living space for the area and people and to kill those who were not so japan also want world domination Maybe maybe not. It didn't seem to at least want that. In the short term initially they just wanted to dominate asia. I say just ages bucket huge but they wanted to asia a japanese emperor. Hirohito wanted to expand japan's sphere of influence and territory greatly which was a sharp departure from previous japanese history. Lesson eighty years before nineteen thirty. One as i mentioned. Japan had been forced out of two and a half centuries of self imposed seclusion from the rest of the world. The tagawa shogunate was overthrown. The age of the samurai was almost over. Japan embarked on rapid modernisation under emperor meiji victory in the japanese war of eighteen ninety four and five gave japan. Its first real foothold on the asian continent forcing china to recognize korean independence which really made korea under japanese rule and see taiwan and the looting peninsula. And i know. I already went over these details earlier. But here's what. I didn't go over france. Germany russia in a triple intervention protect protested. The japanese occupation allowed dong peninsula would pose a constant threat to china and they forced japan to abandon the peninsula which deeply humiliated japan and like post world war. One germany would later. Japan will now want to redress the imposition of unequal treaties placed upon them by western powers. Three years later. Japan's victory in the russo japanese war Shock the western world encourages some asian nationalists regard. Japan is the region's natural leader supplanting china then after the formal annexation of korea in one thousand nine hundred japan turned its attention to the south sea islands. Japan's presence in the south seas had formerly been limited to an assortment of japanese traders adventures. But now is clear. That of japan moved into the south pacific and southeast asia. Abundant natural resources become available to them after joining the tories. Allies in world war. One japan was granted. Germany's asian colonial territories under league nations mandate. The territories consisted of shintaro. An important seaport on the chinese Shantung peninsula and formerly german. The german held islands in micronesia. Despite these territorial acquisitions many japanese believed they weren't given enough. They believed that. The structure of international peace embodied in the league nations favored the western nations. That controlled the world's resources and to be fair. They were totally correct. Did favor western powers because it was created by western powers so now an idea begins to emerge into pan of an east asian federation or cooperative body based on traditional pan-asian ideals of universal brotherhood and in asia for its liberationist rhetoric advocates of pan asian. Ism and japan believed that they were expanding their empire in order to liberate asian territories from western imperialism. And again the more wrong western. Imperialism had long exploited much most of asia. But also this wasn't a noble plan other nations did not want japan to liberate them only to then subjugate them are. They want japan rule in them any more than they wanted to. Western power rule in them so again while imperial japan didn't seem to want to take over the whole world. They certainly did want to take over. Asia did want You know the us's resources in the south pacific They were willing to fight to get them the. Us had various territories in the south pacific. At this time like the massive islands of the philippines. The philippines have been seated us by spain in eighteen. Ninety eight following the spanish american war would remain a us territory until shortly after the end of world. War two the philippines are over seven thousand miles for the american west coast but less than two thousand miles from southern japan. You probably understand how the japanese didn't like the americans being that close. They didn't like them in asia at all didn't like him in. Hawaii was originally settled by asians islands annex by the us and ninety eight at the outbreak of world war. Two japan hoped that hiller could keep european powers the us busy while they short up their resources for an asia domination plan. Not a bad plan reminds me a plane risk right. This is a great risk strategy. Let the other players fuck around with each other than you sneakily you know. Just get this whole territory. Bonus love risk of play more lately since keller monroe got into it since it's available in app form now and kylie monroe and lindsay. My wife. they talk a lotta shit. We play risk together. And i love it right. I'm like japan when i play the situation. Like you know Work each other up. Fulls cut each other down my surprise you but i stay pretty quiet. Play risk right because a lot of problems early on trying to talk shit. Hope end up getting forgot about its hide in the shadows way to strike at the rest of the people get mad at each other irrationally attack each other over and over where i will i quietly short by army by just let me grab a continents. Get some bonuses on download gonna attack enough to get that sweet territory card. And i'm gonna fortify turn nothing to see here that a few turns later. Oh shit catches been hiding south american. It's time fuckers. Spilled up into mexico now rolling over into western africa to fuck your whole world up. Hail nimrods loose athena guide virgil dice. Rolls lami utterly. Destroy my entire family but no this is actually similar. The way i play risk similar to japan was doing here smart right. Let let the nazis let the the allies. Let them fight over europe and we're going to build up some power and hopefully just take over this whole area. Okay so to bring this all back to the code talkers. Now the navajo. Fighting formidable ambitious enemy wanted to kick the us out in the south pacific if they had done that they might have chosen to take their own bishops further. Maybe tried to create strongholds in north america. They would attack alaska to california coast. This is not a totally unreasonable assumption. Very reasonable to fear imperial japan such incredibly proud and tough warrior culture. A scarier in some respects the nazi germany. The nazis obviously no joke. But they didn't come from the same warrior tradition that the japanese did. They didn't hear like the japanese military did to the bushido coat. We got into the benito code of the samurai suck in september of two thousand eighteen Basically meant to soldiers were to be absolutely loyal and trained to fight the death for the emperor. Just as sam rice would fight to the death to protect their feudal lords. The i can never say this word. The die mu soldier's duty was to endure death. Rather than to surrender. Surrender was the ultimate shame. It was truly a death before dishonor warriors way in japan. Japanese citizens were indoctrinated from an early age from birth to revere the emperor as a living deity and to see wars an act could purify the self the nation ultimately the world fighting bravely in war brought honor to once family twins ancestors and there might not be another culture on earth. That reveres an honors. Its ancestors more than the japanese literal shrines dedicated to honoring ancestors of many homes between eighteen. Ninety eight nineteen forty seven. The japanese were legally required to worship their ancestors at least are male ancestors. How crazy is that right. Worship your father face the legal consequences of being disrespectful. Fuck of your a soldier. Fighting for japan and world war two and you wanted to be worshiped yourself after death you had to fight hard yet to possibly you know. Die with honor. No surrender hardcore. Think about fighting. Somebody is coming from that psychological place. Someone fighting to honor their family their country. God somebody coming for you with everything they've got other bushido code accounts for the fanatic japanese fighting mentality in the pacific theater in world war. Two think about those kamikaze pilots. More you dig into pre world war. Two japanese culture the easier. It is to understand why trained fighter flight pilots were willing to turn themselves into human bombs. Nearly four thousand young japanese men would intentionally fly their planes towards allied warships in world war two battles and they would be happy to do so glad to die with honor. This mentality also accounts for the brutal treatment of one hundred fifty thousand. Roughly you know. Allied the handed japanese the japanese considered. Pow's moral failures and cowards right. They were people who had surrendered the. Pow's angered their captors. By not demonstrating is a sufficient. Sense of shame for surrendering. They were regarded as contemptible subhuman defeated. The japanese would require an absolute final victory. They were unwilling to surrender. Culturally or to compromise the navajo codebreaker codebreaker fighting enemy. That would rather literally kill themselves. That defeat september. I nine hundred thirty nine. A world war two begins in europe when germany invades poland. Of course that's how it starts. Of course the start of world. war two involves poland. If only my wife and says you've been stronger. if only they had been his toughest. Japanese someone's death and despair would have been avoided right. I mean i'm not saying we're to is my wife's family's fault not exactly but now i kind of is now you know what the hundred percent is. Sometimes when i look at lindsey. I just think what we're to your fault your fault especially because other than being polish german so really if we had to blame world to on one person is a hiller. Risen my wife lindsey. I don't know something about and of course new sucker. I'm kidding or am i September twenty seven thousand nine hundred forty. The empire of japan officially entered world war two by signing the tripartite pact with germany and italy. Think that's where. I looked up a lot of times and it just doesn't feel right coming out of my mouth tripartite. I like that word. But anyway i think it's real and They signed this treaty just over a year after world war. Two tripartite pact was actually the culmination of a series of agreements between germany japan and italy for years prior nineteen thirty six germany. Italy completed the rome. Berlin access a cooperation deal Handshake deal one dictator to another From addicted to a fascist from a racist allergic Months later japan joined these so-called axis powers by signing the anti return packed with nazis which italy also signed in nineteen thirty seven. And why would japan make a deal with fucking maniac who thought everyone not of aryan stock was inferior or were inferior subhumans because because of strategy baby because real life risk let hitler and mussolini fuck around in europe gives japan time to conquer fortify asia that big continent bonus then strike and i have to think that had the net nazis japanese defeated the allies in world war. Two at some point following world war two they would have for sure. My mind ended up battling each other in january of nineteen forty one as part of their. Let's take over the south pacific strategy. Japanese admiral is so Yamamoto begins planning an air attack. On pearl harbor. Why yamamoto actually didn't want to go to war with the us. At least not at that time the us was the world's number one naval power. He believed that a drawn out conflict with the. Us would end badly for japan but he feel like his hand was forced in what he felt like. He saw the writing on the wall. American involvement world war two by the end of nineteen forty did appear to be inevitable eventually the way the war was heading with hitler kicking the shit on europe america would be compelled intervened to keep the nazis from taking over all of europe which not bode well in the future for the us when us joined the war. Since japan was allied with germany america would soon be facing off against japanese so rather than wait why not get a jump on things and attempt to weaken a powerful foe through a sneak attack instead of trying to wear down american ships as advanced across the pacific and then hoping the japanese could beat them in a big battle which had been the previous strategy. You have a moto. A plan to reduce american forces with preventative strike. Then follow up with a battle fought offensively rather than defensively the attack on pearl harbor although the us had entered the war prior to the bombing was very much. A the best defense is a good offense type of tactic yamamoto. Hope that if the americans could be dealt terrific blows early in the war they might even be willing to negotiate an early end to the conflict and just let japan have its way in the south pacific thousands and thousands of miles away from shores also leading up to the attack tension between the us and japan mounting November of nineteen forty one. The us cuts off all oil exports with japan urges japan to withdraw from china and indochina and japan privately. I'm sure is like who the fuck they think the are donoso can do anything japan. Stinson diplomats to washington in november nineteen. Forty one to try and find ways to avoid war or at least to appear as though they're trying to avoid war a war they're not all those diplomats are meet with american officials. Six japanese aircraft carriers and other warships are secretly leaving northern japan heading towards pearl harbour on hawaii on a date which will live in infamy according to a famous speech by franklin d roosevelt's japan strikes. Us pacific fleet on sunday morning. December seventh nineteen forty one. The imperial japanese navy strikes pearl harbor damaging eight battleships three cruisers three destroyers an antiaircraft training ship one minelayer one hundred eighty eight aircraft and two thousand four hundred and three americans die knowing that many americans did not want to fight a war against japan. The japanese military thought that if it suddenly destroyed the us fleet again. America my give right allow japan to consolidate its grasp on east asia and just like russia had underestimated japan's fighting spirit in the russo japanese war japan clearly did not understand the can of whoop ass they opened when they attacked pearl harbor had no idea how much yep yep yaw the us had in him just walked to fucking bear. The american public is outraged calls for war. The us declares war against japan the day after the bombing and now world war two has another major player. Japanese military rolled the dice with the attack on pearl harbor initially look like they hit a seven on a roll. I mean they did damage story. Lot of the. Us navy ships in the long run. The crapped out at seven was really a snake eyes on december. Eight the same day. The us enters world war. Two japan successfully attacks. America's clark air base in the philippines north of manila right after pearl harbor sixteen. Seventeen twenty p forty's most of the bases destroyed a hundred air corps. Troops are killed two days later. Germany italy declared war on the us. The us is like what are you doing. We of what are you doing declared of course we're war. We just declared war against your fucking ally you dumb bastards. Just you wait you fucking wait the same day only three days after the attack on pearl harbor. The british battleships prince of wales and repulse are sunk off the coast of malaysia causing churchill later to recollect all the war. I never received more direct shock as i turned twisted in bed. The full horror of the new sank in upon me. There were no british or american capital ships in the indian ocean or the pacific except the american survivors of pearl harbor. Who were hastening back to california over this vast expanse of waters japan with supreme and we everywhere were weak and naked early december of nineteen forty. One things not looking good for the allies by the end of december nineteen forty one. Japan's opening military march around southeast asia has gone off fantastically for them at the years close. Japanese troops will have invaded malaysia. Thailand burma islands and indonesia and the chinese cities of shanghai and hong kong. Things are looking good for this Access power right now in early. Nineteen forty two. A war starts going even better for japan and germany going worse for the allies worse than it was gone at the end of nineteen forty. One france had fallen. In mid nineteen forty was now really. Under nazi control britain was staggering from the blitz which began of which began in september of nineteen forty. Didn't end until may of nineteen forty one left so much damage devastation. German armies have advanced deep into the soviet union now hiller submarines are wreaking havoc on convoys leaving the us russian ports. The us can't get any sort of strategic a strategic advantage over japan in the pacific japanese tigers many of them educated in the united states and fluent in standard and colloquial Amazingly adept at breaking american codes enemy forces often knew about american battle plans advance and no defense against japanese code breaking had materialized japanese christopher's there are so good with. Did you know partially lease. Because they weren't being hindered by having crypto zoologists. David hatcher childress on their team. Our buddy from the 'nigma code suck. Yeah david children's here. I was just wondering. What have we focused less empire on decrypted allied communications in focus. More on harnessing the power giant jellyfish. A gloucester's shire's and cava gones Cavalcanti particular maybe able to be trained to capsize anti ships and eat american sater's ernie studies seem to indicate some sort of intelligent. I'm sorry show myself out commit harry kerry Okay and it seems a bit excessive eh. excuse to bring david back from 'nigma suck Now i'm back The us not doing well initially in the south pacific in early nineteen forty two The us gets a few jabs. January early february but japan definitely win the fight. They're taking all kinds of territory borneo some of the solomon islands singapore and more. They even attacked an oil refinery near santa barbara california with a submarine the bombardment of ellwood. Not much damage has caused no one dies but it scares the shit out of the americans. Japanese have just bombed the california coast of the japanese. Also sing america's first aircraft carrier the uss langley in early nineteen forty two. They think america's largest worship in the far east the us houston of the thousand sixty one aboard only three hundred and sixty eight survive including twenty four of the seventy four man marine detachment and then. They're captured by the japanese and intern in prison. Camps of three hundred and sixty eight navy and marine corps personnel taken prisoner seventy seven later die in captivity. Us military now looking for some kind of advantage in their fight against japan on february nineteenth nineteen. Forty two philip. Johnston a civil engineer in los angeles finds that advantage. He gets an amazing idea. The build a code based on america's most popular but still very confusing comic book series pootie and juju. The idea hits maureen special issue number thirty six the emperor's new juju in this timeless classic. Juju sneaks off to tokyo in the cargo. Hold of the korean freighter ended up sneaking imperial palace posing as the emperor's new assistant and saying lost classic lines like boom. She'd shadow tomato tomato. Wants me to die with daughter or make him a sandwich and emperor hirohito more like natura cheese thereto okay. Maybe they'll ask them wasn't like a classic line but actually doesn't make sense on many levels. But johnson thinks a what if more gibberish can be snuck into fake issues. Place carefully in between lines like put it in your lunchbox shirley to to diddle pootie or they could sneak in messages to allied commanders in the south pacific. The japanese would never you pick up just as a sneaky little messages like hey would if instead of flip my lid and cheese mcgrew you send the us boxer eight other essex class aircraft carriers and us carlson and twenty or so other efforts class destroyer escort and ole miss other ships towards new britain and sneak attack the japanese early fourth. Say oh six hundred hours while they still expect the bulk of fighting to continue on and around the florida island guadalcanal. And then you know we can is go to the five and diamond by some lollipops. I mean i mean how could that possibly ever be intercepted old joke. Their newest been way too long. Since we've heard from low putin did you philip. Johnston that civil engineer he really have a good idea. One i mentioned the very started to show a real idea the idea to use the navajo language for a coat. Johnson was the white son of a christian missionary who had grown up on a navajo reservation. Learn navajo honed. His youth also world war one veteran and he proposed using navajo specifically is a code for the marines. He knew it'd be very hard to break a code base and navajo because the navajo language didn't have an alphabet has a very complex sentence structure Has these very complex tonal qualities to it and were ready to fight shortly after pearl harbor independent of the us government navajo nation declared war on japan and germany. Early nineteen forty two. Johnston met with major general clayton. B vogel commanding general of amphibious corp core pacific fleet and his staff to convince them of the navajo languages. Value is a code johnson stage tests under simulated combat conditions. Demonstrating that out. Navajos could encode transmit and decode three line. English message and just twenty seconds. A machine at the time required a half an hour to perform the same job the navajo could code and code. You know these three lines and living ninety two ninety times faster than machines blown away by this vogel recommended to the commandant of the marine corps. That the marines shows two hundred zero. Johnston had explained to him that almost no one outside of the nation new the language because it was so difficult to learn. It was estimated that when world war two started only thirty non navajos were fluent in the navajo language. And none of them were japanese or german. The marine command will consider this offer on april ninth nineteen forty to the. Us loses again to the japanese and south pacific battle of bataan in the philippines. Begun back on january first. Us local forces didn't have enough rice and amunition available to them to mount a proper defense when the japanese came in tact they were pinned in the mountains by the japanese and started out on only half rations in allied force of twenty thousand american troops and roughly a hundred and twenty thousand filipino reservists or quickly reduced to trying to live off of monkey meat. Literally they hold out for ninety nine days as more and more men come down with malaria dengue fever other diseases as they start to starve. A lot of dudes mcgill popping off the bottles on april. Ninth the surrender. Seventy six thousand troops to the japanese led by general ned king. This is the largest army. Surrender you know Or largest army under american command ever to surrender. The siege of baton was the first major land battle for the americans. World war two. It would end. As one of the most devastating military defeats in american history. Japanese military leaders had severely underestimated the number of prisoners that they were likely to capture and therefore unprepared logistically and materially for tens of thousands taken into captivity. And because the code. The japanese hated these. Pow's weak cowardly shameful. Jeopardy's ended up forcing the prisoners to walk from the tip of the bataan peninsula the pow camps about sixty five miles inland facing disease starvation and frequent beatings. Along the way as many as eleven thousand troops will die on what quickly becomes known as the bataan death march. Those who drop from exhaustion or sickness fell behind broke ranks to fetch water who tried to escape were bayoneted shot or beheaded men who could not rise the next morning to continue were often buried alive or beaten to death with shovels of shovels. Care you know held by ditch diggers which are other prisoners forced to carve out graves along the waves fucking hell on earth war still really not going well for the. Us losing this battle. A major morale blow on april eighteenth nineteen forty to the us. Army air force strikes back. The conduct a massive airstrike on tokyo and other strategic locations in the japanese home islands. The strike notice the doolittle raid doesn't do much tangible damage to japan but it's huge. Psychologically a major victory for the us puts a lot of fear and japanese citizens they can be attacked on mainland japan. That they're vulnerable. Mrs big for america. If if the enemy can be reached they can be defeated. Big for the allies for may third to may eighth and attempt an attempted. Japanese invasion of new guinea is temporarily thwarted by the us and australian navies in the battle of the coral sea. The battle was fought almost entirely with aircraft launched from the carriers making it the first conflict and which neither side ships directly fire on one another Another small victory for the allies but quickly followed by a major victory for japan. Three days later on may six all us forces in the philippines surrender unconditionally. to japan. japan now completely controls the philippines large parts of indonesia burma in new guinea and suddenly now the. Us government is ready to act on using the navajo code. Doctors on may nineteenth us marines head to the navajo reservation. Talked chee dodge. The former and last head chief of the navajo tribe and the current chairman of the navajo tribal council twenty nine. Navajos will join this project. Some were so excited to participate that they lied about their age to get in a while. Others did not want to participate but didn't really have a choice. So many more than these twenty-nine would help the war. Effort selective service reports nine hundred forty to say that ninety nine of all american indians who are eligible for the draft healthy males between the age twenty one and forty four had registered for the draft. Roughly twenty five percent of all american indian men were in the military during world war two highest any group of people during the war. Highest percentage the twenty nine feature code dockers quickly traveled to boot camp camp pendleton near oceanside california and then. A code talkers program was set up. Camp elliott and san diego to further. Train them while they train. Fighting of course continues from june fourth to june seventh nineteen forty two u. s. aircraft stop japanese invasion of midway a us based guards hawaii during a four-day cnn battle. Outnumbered us pacific fleet succeeds in destroying four japanese aircraft carriers while losing one of its own the yorktown and the destroyer. The us amman or hammond. Japan suffered twenty five hundred casualties. Lost two hundred ninety two aircraft while the us lost one hundred and forty five aircraft and suffered three hundred seven casualties simultaneously and practically the same dates. June third june seventh japanese forces attack alaska's aleutian islands bombing dutch harbor on the island of ood alaska and invading. The islands of two and kisco for this had been over one hundred twenty years since a foreign nation had actually invaded american soil taking these two small islands populated by small bands evolution. People another big blow to american morale. It wouldn't be until may of nineteen forty three that the us will fight to retake this land. The alerts taken prisoner by the japanese Nineteen will die in captivity on june eighteenth nineteen forty to the us. Canada and the uk embark on the development of nuclear weapons in a top secret program called manhattan project more than a billion dollars. Hundred thirty thousand people and thirty research and production facilities are utilized a checkout suck one sixty four for more info on the manhattan project and another project of similar importance will also began in the summer of nineteen forty to the navajo code. Talkers start writing their coats. From july to september nineteen forty two navajo code talkers and platoon three. Eighty to undergo bootcamp. Let's meet one of them. chester nez in a memoir of his world. War two experiences code talker the only book actually written by an actual code talker about all this. He discusses the thought processes that many navajo men were going through as they fought for their country just rights. I could have stayed in high school explaining how he didn't have to fight in the war when he did he continues. Maybe i should have but as a warrior. How could i ignore the fact that my country had been attacked. I volunteered the marines. To seven months before in april nineteen forty two only a few months after the japanese strike against pearl harbor hawaii until joining up. I'd never left hand except for a few hours in route to boarding school. My why reframe barely met the marines minimum weight requirement of one hundred and twenty two pounds. But i knew. I was strong. Camp elliott near san. Diego was our home for the next thirteen weeks writing out there on the bus. We had speculated about our critical mission a marine officer strode with a no nonsense gate to a classroom building and we followed. He opened the locked door march to the front of the room we piled in behind him standing tall his uniform spotless his expression unsmiling he waited for us to sit and he spoke. I felt a small not tighten in my stomach. The officer wasted no time looked around the room. And each of us twenty nine carefully selected marine recruits and told us we were to use our native language to devise an unbreakable code. I read expressions of shock on every face a code based on the navajo language after we'd been so severely punished and boarding school for speaking it for starters. You'll need a word for each letter of the alphabet. The officer told us the officer locked doors. He left telling us we'd be released at the end of the day to get dinner. Someone would bring lunch to the room other than that. We're on our own forbidden to speak to anyone outside that room about our task and if we needed to go anywhere we had to go in pairs way to practice the buddy system at all times. Anyone caught alone will be punished. After some discussion. We began to see the wisdom in our assignment. Navajo is a very complex language. And since it was not written the japanese learning only from a navajo or from one of the rare non navajos who had lived on the reservation and learn to speak the language to be honest. I don't think they could have learned the language even then it was just too complicated. Still apprehension set in. How could we twenty. Eight of whom had never worked with the military develop code robust enough to be used in battle when the could be responsible for sending life or death messages. The task loomed ahead like a black unmapped cavern. Where to begin. We started the locked door of the room which we sat then a man who introduced himself to us corporation feather walked in. He said he'd once served a world war one adviser to be really careful when we chose how to translate the names of our superiors. It was choctaw and he said that some name translate into much more flattering word combinations and others you said. He was nearly court martialled for coding general. John j. pershing's name as peewee faulk face. Mcgee corporation feathers said that the assistant chief of staff walter. C short was even more upset. His choctaw code name became short torso chubby long legs. Tweedle dum sits on his thumb. One eye higher than the other arms to harry fee to flat hoped to kaiser kills him and his whole family to to corporal. Raven feather told us this. The marine officer we met earlier came back in the room and yelled. Hey what's fuck. Are you doing here. Raven feather you discharge twenty years ago. Okay so maybe. The coral raven feathers stuff never happened. No chester nez. Never wrote that but he did right. We started the locked door of the room which we sat one of our men. Gene crawford had been in the reserves kid had worked with codes before and he offered to share his knowledge with all of us. Certain things that were important code word chosen must be clear when spoken on the radio. Each word must be distinct from other words chosen in order to avoid confusion. The officer who locked room was correct. A good way to begin was to select a word to represent each letter of the alphabet. Jim crawford and two other men from among the twenty nine john bonaly and john melito play the strong part and setting the direction for group as we developed a new coat. On the first day we decided to use an english word generally an animal a plant or an object that was part of our everyday world to represent each letter of the english alphabet. Those words will be then translated into navajo. the navajo word represented english letter as genus. As jean had suggested we chose navajo. Words could easily distinguished on the radio. Words differing clearly. Unsound from other selected words a became red ants. Not the english word for ant the navajo word pronounce watchi- be became bear pronounce. Shush and navajo was cat or maasai. D. was deer or bay thus a double encryption was used. Each letter became an english word. Beginning with that letter and the english word was translated into a navajo work. We tried to make letter equivalence easy to remember. We discussed pronunciation since on the wrong syllable. A slight change in tone or a glock will stop could totally change word meaning and the complicated navajo language. Any difference in dialects between us men had to be resolved in one into one firm coat in the heat of battle we could afford no ambiguity navajo bears little resemblance to english when a navajo asked whether you speak his language uses these words. Do you hear navajo. Words must be heard before they can be spoken. Many of the sounds. Navajo are impossible for the unpracticed ear to distinguish the inability of most people to hear. Navajo was a solid plus. When it came to devising our coat push pause now. Anez is fantastic narration. Look at the differences between navajo and english. Such perfect language for military coat. Sounds like a real hard language to learn to speak. If you don't learn from birth so complex even more complex then. Chester just described for example whether as one verb for a single person doing something There are other verbs to people in another for more than two people. There are several ways to say to pick up depending on what the object is pronunciation as chester alluded. also so complex. Navajo is a tonal language. With four tones high low rising and falling the tone used can completely change the meaning of work. The for medicine and mouth are pronounced for example the exact same way. They're only differentiated by tone. My god Good thing have to deliver these podcast in navajo to watch for me literally. No one would ever know what the fuck i was. talking about. english can be spoken pretty loosely. Still be interested. Thank god navajo cannot be okay back to the navajo code. Doctors now work developing their unbreakable code according to nez. None of the code. Talkers argued all the developed. Code is part of navajo. Tradition to work together in a harmonious way that concept might even more confusing to me than language working together without arguing. How the fuck is that even possible. I'd be kicked out of their nations so quick. Each member of the group studied the new code until it was completely memorized. It would quiz each other until it became second nature of the assign navajo. Words represent frequently used military terms that did not exist in the navajo language. Awesome examples like a best low a. K. iron fish meant submarine Don t ak hummingbird meant fighting fighter. Plane a debate. Zine i've no idea cellular Aka blacks treatment squad They knew that the navajo code words will be spoken over the radio but never written when utilize battle so they had to be so precise in the heat of battle. None of them could afford to pause. Second guess themselves. They their new code until they're exhausted studies more once they were finished. American code. Experts tried for a week to crack this code never came close over time. This code would evolve to include four hundred other words and concepts or four hundred. Yeah totally would have around seven hundred words enough to make the necessary communications required of it and now it's time to see if that code would be unbreakable to japanese on august seventh nineteen forty two first marines. Roughly eleven thousand men land guadalcanal. One of the solomon islands in the pacific east of Pop guinea over one hundred thousand people currently live in there about fifteen thousand nine hundred forty two in the initial marine landing. There are no code talkers. The code talkers will show up at guadalcanal in november and that first landing of the marines are met with little resistance as the twenty two hundred japanese occupants mainly construction workers building airfield. Not soldiers the only arrive in the island two months earlier to construct the airbase and within two hours of us. Fighting japan responded with an airstrike. The us fleet caught off guard. Japanese sinks to five allied cruisers that sat off guadalcanal's north shore the cruisers roles to protect transport ships which supplied the marines on the island. They held crews of upward two thousand and depend on their class varied over a range of sizes and the loss of just one cruiser was devastating. And now the us loses two and two more allied cruisers badly damaged so badly abandoned and the fifth cruiser. Us chicago sustained significant a sufficient damage to put it out of action so all five cruisers been knocked out of action two american destroyers small scouting ships designed to destroy torpedo. Boats also badly damaged such heavy losses. Us have to withdraw from their current important supplying mission and the eleven thousand marines left to fortify their positions themselves. Build an airstrip japanese and proceed to fight hard to retake guadalcanal from these marines hoping to use the island is the stage area for land invasion of australia. They also wanted us staging area to harass and disrupt vital shipping lanes between the. Us and australia. Control this island is island and no one really gave about. Before the war now super important for the end of the third week of august approximately a thousand japanese troops show up fighting under colonel a keno cheeky eager to kill for their beloved emperor. These men expected easy victory and then they meet a lot more troops than they were thinking they were gonna meet enter defeated by major general alexander van de grips fifth or first marine division in mid september japanese. Major general Kawaguchi lands with six thousand. More japanese troops they defeated by the american forces at the battle of bloody ridge. Just south of henderson field on september thirteenth by mid october. The japanese will have delivered twenty thousand soldiers to the island including a full division of japanese seventeenth. Army led by lieutenant general h hitachi. They still cannot take back their airbase police and even mormon and late september nineteen two. The code talkers. Thirteen weeks at camp elliott. Come to an end promoted to private first class. And we'll be part of all six marine divisions plus the marine raider battalions marine parachute units. Their weapons will be radios and telephones these men now secret. Weapons are sent to different islands in the pacific to take part in the battle against the japanese. By this time the japanese have already taken guam the philippines and burma on the malay peninsula also prevailed in the battle of the java sea attacked guinea. The us needs a big victory. Many victories badly on november fourth nineteen forty two chester nez. That guy we met and twelve of his fellow code warriors head to guadalcanal the battle. We were just talking about. Not even the other marines on the ship knew of the secret communications mission. They were on. But several of the admirals had been informed of the code. They were heading right into one of the most chaotic landscapes of the war and too many navajo who had grown up in landlocked states. In the west on reservations entering. This battle was mind blowing. Chaz are chester. nez leah writes. I'd never even seen the ocean before enlisting. It was good being able to sail without feeling squeamish. I i tried to concentrate on that and not on where i was heading. Thought seeped into my brain like seawater. I reminded myself to my navajo. People had always been warriors protectors and that there was honor. I would concentrate on being a warrior and on protecting my homeland with an hour's weather in harmony with this world or not. I knew i would join my fellow marines in the fight cutting through endless ocean towards my first battle the codes proving ground by twelve buddies and i studied and restarted the entire vocabulary to two hundred plus words. All of us were fluent yet. We all continue to practice. We could afford no doubts. No hesitation accuracy and speed were matter of life and death. We practice transmitting messages among ourselves. To code talkers on other ships the new language became solid and unshakable embedded in our minds as firmly as childhood memories. We transmitted deciphered and responded to messages almost without hesitation. We were ready. We hoped the white man's military hit accepted us as tough marines hardened by the rigors of live on the reservation or the checkerboard area we often outperformed our white peers in basic training. Marine sergeants bragged about the prowess of platoon three eight to the navajo recruits and our code was part of a bold plan to take the south pacific islands back from the dominant japanese. I promised myself. I'll be brave. But the air vibrating with apprehension chaplain address. Reciting a blessing. I held the small bucks. Can medicine bag. My father had sent said my own silent prayer. Give me courage. Let me make my country proud. Please protect me. Let me live to walk in beauty around me. the other navajo seemed to be doing the same each hoping to walk in beauty again. In their native homes in arizona new mexico and a high ranking officer spoke. I hate to say this. He said but i guess we all know that some of you will not return from this battle. Some of you will never see your family's again cleared his throat hesitate. Then voice took on strength and determination always remember. You are defending both your country. And your family's the japanese attacked your land your home and now you will make your country proud man. That is so intense shit. Imagine being eighteen nine hundred years old experiencing this right out in the ocean for the first time sailing off the. Us we're war is not occurred Anywhere near you and your lifetime or long before it. You've never witnessed any military fighting. Odds are you've never witnessed a anyone pointing a gun at somebody a threatening manner definitely not you. Now you're about to land on some little island across the world orlando there with one purpose and one purpose only fight the japanese to the death people. You've never met. Try and kill the soldiers before they kill you. Earn time bomb. You shoot you stab you get close right now. One of their submarines could be trying to sink the ship. You're traveling as you approach the beach. Here gun mortar fire. Maybe here see planes flying overhead. Maybe a smell smoke. You know once you're order to leave that ship you're going to be running straight into hell owner. I wonder how alive those young men must have felt in moments how much adrenaline spiking around in their systems. A d. here your heart loudly quickly beaten in your in your ears. You taste blood in the back of your throat moments like that. The high ranking officer also told chester and the other men with him. It's okay to be scared. It'll be foolish not to be scared and you men are anything but fools just remember your training nez and the other code talkers wondered if they would die. It was the most terrifying day of their lives. Guadalcanal invasion and nez words. We approached the northern shore of guadalcanal gray tones of daylight revealed black smoke drifting thick over the island. I offered silent thanks to the navy's pilots who had bombed the enemy hoping to drive them away from the shoreline. Where marines planned our landing. We drew closer in the battleships in our flotilla let loose. The roar of huge weapons made our ears ring shells sixteen inches in diameter plowed into the beach. As we drew closer the black smoke brought in on a heavy slow wind settled on my skin and the sharp smell of explosives stung my nose. I saw helmet floating in the water. I tried not to look too closely now wanting to see whether it was american or japanese. My buddy roy. And i watched the first wave of men laden with gear climbdown. Heavy nets to their landing. Craft must've been around eight thirty in the morning by then everything was gray with rain and smoke. We can do that. Said roy quietly nothing to it. Oh i said navajo biting the word off like the english word out yes. of course we'd practice. Landing climbed down the rope. Nets the rifle grenades or packs jam full with the necessities of war but this time enemy fire tore into the water and ricocheted off the ship. Men cried out wild startled. Shout our legs trembled. Our hands shook. Nothing was the same. We code talkers did not disembark in that dangerous. I assault wave. Apparently marine command deemed our mission to critical as we looked on the landing. Boats filled forming a circle. Offshore and waiting until all the craft and the first wave manned then the shelling from our shifts moved up from the beach to the hills and the boats hit the island all at once when we near the beach marine unlatched. The ramp that formed the bow of the boat. The hinge ramp opened and we rushed down into chest deep water holding their rifles above our heads. In the continuing reign japanese artillery shells exploded around us. Noise roar continues the clamor of an enraged crowd short punctuation individual explosions added to the din. Bodies of japanese and american soldiers floated everywhere. I smell death as bullets. Sliced into the water bloodstain. The tide washing onto the beach. Man should so insane war. I will never pretend to have any idea what it truly feels like. I've never fought i. I imagine words just can't do it justice. I imagine you can just never really know until you know. Chester continues a marine floated nearby. His sightless blue eyes staring up at a foreign sky. I spoke with him only moments. Before entering the landing craft. He'd been in san diego at boot camp and i was there but in a different platoon. I didn't even know his name. My body went cold. My throat tightened up struggle for breath. My eyes burn with un shed tears after that. I did my best not to look at the faces of the dead navajo belief forbids contact with the dead but we waited through floating bodies intend to not becoming one of them. Close your mind. I told myself. I try not to think about all those dead men. There kindy violently released from this life. I'm marine marine's move forward. I tried to make myself numb. And before i move forward with chester's powerful words here let me quickly define shinde a navajo religious belief agendas. The ghost left behind after a person dies. believed to leave the body with the deceased last breath. It's everything that was bad about the person the residue that man has been unable to bring into universal harmony so it's to be avoided traditional navajo. Practice is to allow deaths to occur to occur outdoors to allow the chimney to disperse. If a person dies in a house or hogan the building is believed to be Inhabited by the chimney is abandoned looking like a ghost chester continues. We push bodies and parts of bodies aside some looking more like raw beef than the limbs of human beings fought our way forward finally fell gasping on the beach on shore. We attempted to find or signed unit japanese fighter planes. Zeros flew overhead. In a formation that equa v formations of canadian geese zero no longer dominated. Allied fighter planes had in the first months of the war but those bright red discs sun symbols on the undersides of its wings set a chill down my spine. I knew those enemy planes carried machine guns cannons and bombs once chester talkers found their unit. They got right to work with their coats in the middle of all. This chaos narrates again. Some of the code talkers joked around a lot probably relieved the constant tension. But roy and i were temperamentally well suited to each other The gravity of our code work the gravity of our code work kept us both pretty solemn although we appreciate it a good laugh what. It was provided. By one of the other men roy was superb with the code. He and i we never once let other down. We tested our radio with me. Cranking and roy speaking into the microphone. Roy nodded good. Tb x. Radio is unique wireless system that generated. Its own electricity via the cranking motion as fucking bad assets. Amazing are only wires connecting the headsets and microphone to the crank box other modes of communication used on the islands both radio and telephone dependent upon the wiring which was by marine communications. Men are tb. x. Can pick up radio stations the news. But we weren't allowed to switch to that we had to keep communications open for coded messages but when we turned on radio it was already set to a channel plane a new episode of archie andrews and so we decided to listen. Hello archie. come over right away. it's a matter. Apply ornette relax. Archie realized then chester rights. Archie was our favorite show. I told roy. Let's listen to this one episode betty fan and you veronica and we want to try and figure out which girl archie was going to go steady. This can because here. He is again out of the pages of archie comics magazine of all is gang. It andrew andrews archie. We love you. Oh yes Best show then. Chester wrote while as it turned out that broadcast was only the beginning of an archie andrews. Twenty four hour marathon. We listen to the entire thing. Archie never committed to or veronica and jug heads. Jokes just didn't land for us. It was pretty unsatisfying also ended up losing the battle. We forgot to relay any messages from command to the front lines. In a lot of people were angry with us Jk of course jk But there really wasn't archie andrews andrews radio program in the forties. Oh commission if that was like one of like four entertainment options. You had what you just heard people complain about. There's nothing on tv. There's a lot more lan more than there used to be a good old river riverdale high. They're still making archie shows by the way. No part of me understands how that shows survived. Anyway here's what nez really said next that first night rowing crowds in our foxhole side by side but facing opposite directions so my knee was pushed against roy shoulder and vice versa. The water crept nearly chest. High heavy drops felt like bullets causing the water in the foxhole splash we to desert boys at her tales of rain. Like this remember in boarding school white man's bible. I said oldest rain. roy chuckled. Yeah no in the flood. Oh noah hesitated. I volunteered aboard his ark. Right now although we're supposed to take turns on our foxhole sleeping and keeping lookout. Neither of slept gunshot sounded in intermittent bursts. Tearing through the dark soggy blue white artillery tracers streaked across our field of vision enemy artillery shells. Our own shells had red tracers. I couldn't distinguish between the sounds of japanese and american gunfire but the colors were immediately evident in the two of them resided in navajo prayer. In beauty i walk with beauty before me. I walk with beauty behind me. I walk was beauty around me. I walk with beauty above me. I walk with beauty below me. I walk the southern kept going with it. He wanted to stay alive. So we can tell his father about how the navajo language helped troops in the novel. Language did help the troops nez and the other code talkers. Were extremely successful. This big first test. The japanese did not break the navajo code and the americans were victorious and taking guadalcanal and defending it. I novel code. Talkers would go on to participate. In every subsequent assault the us marines conducted for the rest of their war in the south pacific. Chester nez himself would fight four different locations and then he was honorably discharged as a private first class in nineteen forty five and returned to serve stateside in the korean war when she was discharged as a corporal november twelfth. Nineteen forty two. Us navy gains a major strategic. Victory on guadalcanal pushing back to japanese invasion force in the solomon islands. I battle in the us is island hopping or leapfrogging campaign. The plan is to jump from island to island. Pushing japan out of the pacific in the guadalcanal campaign also known as operation watchtower over sixty thousand us ground forces will fight over thirty six thousand japanese groundfloor ground forces. My got over seven thousand u. s. marines will die over nineteen thousand. Japanese will die the. Us would lose twenty nine ships including fourteen destroyers and they lose over six hundred aircraft. The japanese will lose almost seven hundred aircraft and thirty eight ships so much carnage more wins for the americans in the pacific theater follow even with the navajo codes though the often come a massive cost on november twentieth nineteen forty three more than fifteen hundred. Americans are killed and fewer than four days of fighting in the brutal battle of toronto micronesia. A toll despite the losses. Us troops to feed the japanese and their conscripted. Korean labor's toronto is one of the bloodiest battles of world war. Two navajos worked around the clock in that battle to send messages and receives him on june sixth nineteen forty. Four navajo code talkers. Make an appearance on the other side of the world crossed the atlantic there on the ground during d day when more than one hundred when more than one hundred and sixty thousand allied troops land. Along a fifty mile stretch of heavily fortified french coastline to fight. Nazi soldiers on the beaches of normandy. France coast the normandy campaign was so or the cost. Excuse me the normandy. Campaign was so high on both sides from d. Day through august twenty first the allies landed more than two million men in northern france suffered more than two hundred and twenty six thousand casualties with over seventy two thousand killed or missing and over one hundred fifty. Three thousand wounded german losses include over two hundred and forty thousand casualties and two hundred thousand captured. Massive numbers death almost incomprehensible scale. July eighteenth nineteen forty four amid mounting losses. Japanese prime minister had decky joe's forced to resign. Things are starting to really turn around for the allies really going into good direction. Allies island hopping campaign has been successful by august tenth. The marietta's islands are now under us control in. The japanese have been forced out of most of southeast asia and a massive part of all the success comes from the constant work. The navajo dockers on october seventeenth. Another success for the allies american general. Douglas macarthur hoping to enact some payback that birth for that bataan death march begins liberation of the philippines from japanese control from february fourth february nineteen forty five british prime minister winston churchill us president franklin d roosevelt and soviet premier joseph. Stalin meet yalta the soviet union. The allied leaders agree to post war treatment of germany. Division of territory in central and eastern europe soviet participation in the war in the pacific an representation in the nascent united nations so the nazis and the japanese still fighting but they are now whether they fully realize it or not clearly going to lose this war. The alta agreement paves the way for the soviet union to enter the war in the pacific against japan. Japan surrendered will lead to the return of territory. Imperial russia lost during that nineteen o four ninety five russo japanese war. We talked about a while ago. from february nineteenth to march twenty sixth nineteen forty-five american marines fight for control of the island of iwo jima. The battle is one of the bloodiest in marine corps. History killing seven thousand u. s. marines and more than twenty thousand japanese soldiers in thirty six days of fighting army photographer. Joe rosenthal's image of the troops raising that flag over the island becomes one of the most iconic images the war really becomes one of the most iconic images in american history and the navajo code talkers. Were there navajo. code talkers. Aided marines and their assault on iwo jima by coating over eight hundred messages all of them accurately none of them intercepted major howard connor fifth marine division signal officer credited. The code talkers for doing a lot to assist the marines. And taking you a gmo. He felt that they would not have taken iwojima without them. He had a half dozen of these specially trained navajo marines with him at all times on april twelfth. Nineteen forty-five harry. Truman is sworn in his thirty third president of the us following the death of franklin roosevelt. Just a couple of weeks later. On april thirtieth adolf hitler killed himself in his bunker bringing the european war to a close. How many cheered when they heard that. Adolf hitler killed himself. Maybe the most celebration ever over suicide possibly not probably on june fifteenth navajo code talkers dictionaries established by recruits camp pendleton. A month later on july seventeenth the new uk. Prime minister clement. Atlee the us president harry truman and the soviet premier joseph stalin meet in potsdam germany. The potsdam conference addresses the partition of vietnam. The relocation of germans from eastern europe and postwar european borders potsdam conference also results in the potsdam declaration in agreement between the uk. The us china and the pasta declaration calls for the immediate unconditional surrender of japan and japan refuses death before that bushido code. No surrender on august. Fifteen twenty air force flies over twelve. Japanese cities dropped seven hundred and twenty thousand pamphlets warning their populations to surrender or face. Immediate devastation and sadly japan still refuses to surrender and then the next day august. Sixth the us army air force bomber. Enola gay dropped the atomic bomb little boy on the japanese city of here shema. The bombings is intended to avoid a full-scale allied invasion of japan invasion which some historians speculate casualties would have run into the millions. All in all counting initial deaths and knows who died from radiation and You know other reasons later. One ninety two thousand and twenty die from this bomb over one hundred and seventy thousand of them. Civilians eighty thousand of them. Died instantly so tragic I discussed the ethics of this bombing at length. in the manhattan project sucked back in november of two thousand nineteen and And i discussed the ethics of this next bombing on august ninth. Three days after a little boy is dropped. The us drops the atomic bomb fatman on the japanese city of nagasaki although famine is more powerful bomb little boy. The explosion results in fewer casualties because nagy's geography limiting the impact of the blast. More than seventy thousand total people die almost all of them. Civilians bombs dropped on hiroshima. Knock mickey remain. The nuclear weapons ever used in warfare. Thank god and the aftermath. On august fifteenth the empire of japan finally agrees to an unconditional surrender to allied forces. Knowing that their country will be completely fucking obliterated if they do not. This day is known now as the victory over japan. Day or not as popular as Bj day but more popular than h day day. Sorry new york. It was reported that on. Vj day celebrant through anything and kissed anybody to crowds gathered outside the white house president. Truman said this is the day. We have been waiting for since pearl harbor by the war's end. Roughly five hundred forty navajos served as marines from three hundred seventy five to four hundred. Twenty of those trained. As code talkers the rest served in other capacities from september. Nineteen forty five to april nineteen fifty to the us military will occupy john reducing the political power of the emperor and establishing a parliamentary democracy. An independent civil society on december thirty first nineteen forty-six president. Truman declares although a state of war still exist. It is at this time possible to declare and i find it to be in the public interest to declare that hostilities have terminated now therefore i harry s truman. President of the united states of america do hereby proclaim the session of hostilities. A world war two effective twelve o'clock noon december thirty first nineteen forty-six with incredible success of the navajo code in the pacific theater deployment of the navajo code. Talkers continued to the korean war. And after until it was ended in the vietnam war early on replaced by some technology will talk about later. The code those original twenty nine men developed never broken another important date now february twelfth nineteen fifty two michael. Mother fucking mcdonald born in ferguson. Suburb of saint louis missouri years later in both solo work and during his time with the doobie brothers he will crap a number of undisputed timeless hits. Like keep forgetting every time you're near and what a fool believes. He will also release degraded commercial. Jingle ever crafted of all time voted by everyone in a nineteen ninety-one diet coke commercial. What is what is it. What is it what is it takes freshman. What is it. Oh god i hate soda. But that's silky dream. Voice just made me so thirsty. Look that out of your head. What's the dirt. So oh starting twenty twenty one right with a random contributing nothing to the story. Mcdonald's back now to indoor time nineteen fifty-eight military declassify navajo code under the department of defense directive. Fifty one hundred point nine. The code is never once had never been cracked. The code talkers also not allowed to discuss what they had done. They received no recognition for massive contributions to allied victory. A now begins the long road to gidon co talkers that recognition. They deserve ronald reagan declares august fourteenth to be national code talkers day on that same day in one thousand nine hundred eighty two many years after the war decades after on september nineteenth nineteen ninety the pentagon honors navajo code talkers dedication of a pentagon exhibit established in their honor and then on april second. Two thousand senator. Jeff bingaman of new mexico introduces legislation authorizing the president of the united states to award congressional gold medals to the original twenty nine navajo talkers and silver medals to all the other men subsequently classified as code talkers under marine corps military occupation. Specialty six forty two. The bill becomes law on december. Twenty first two thousand and is awarded by president. Bill clinton july twenty. Six thousand one president george w bush awards the four surviving navajo code dockers with medals at a ceremony in washington. Dc so cool but also bummer. That the other twenty five original coat doctors. You know never lived long enough to make it to that ceremony. On june fourteenth. Two thousand to the movie wind talkers a fictional story based on the achievements of the navajo. Code talkers premieres. It's direct impressed by john. Woo stars a ghost writer. Nicholas cage plus adam beach. Peter mayor no emirates. Mark ruffalo in christian slater and because nick cage. Here's here's nick cage. Talking about how he prepared for this film this clip is taken from him and some other cast members being interviewed by bobby y gant for nbc affiliate in dallas. This is absurd sometimes. When i don't really know what happens. I try to see myself as like chandler. So that whatever spirit wants to injure my body and do the work for the basically. Yeah and you can. You can gather those things together. You can get a little dog hair rabbit for put it in my food or something and then give it as a gift to the spirits and they come in and do the work i love. How fucking crazy. He is sincerely dog hair. What are you talking about. Two of his co stars next to this interview and they look both so confused when he saying this and also like they're just used to hearing him say shit like this The code talkers recognition. Act of two thousand eight. Signed into law by president. George w bush november fifteen th two thousand eight The act recognized every native american code talker who served in the us military during world war one world war two with the exception of the already awarded navajo with congressional gold medal. The act designed to be distinct each tribe with silver duplicates awarded to the individual code talkers or their next of kin. As of two thousand thirteen thirty tribes have now been identified and been honored and on june fourth. Two thousand fourteen. Our last date in this timeline. Chester nez passes away from kidney failure at the age ninety-three last surviving member of the original twenty nine navajo code talkers and that takes us out of today's time. Suck timeline good job. Soldier you've made in fact are let's recap meets acts twenty nine original navajo code dockers trained in world war two by the end of the war. there were around four hundred twenty nine initial initially that are around four hundred by the end. These brave men kept the japanese from decrypt. Vital information they allowed us forces to communicate in battle deploy troops notify various factions of changes in strategy etc without fear the japanese continuing to intercept transmissions as they had done before japanese formidable enemy Formidable operate on the bushido code where suicide was preferable to give in the americans and their allied counterparts needed every advantage. They get in fighting them. Along with hitler's nazis and the navajo code talkers were huge advantage. Kotok integral to success of so many individual battles and campaigns were on utah beach during d day. some have credited them with giving them reigns the edge they needed to take enough. The navajo served admirably and courageously. Despite fighting for a nation that's still subject to them as world. War is being fought to a variety of racists and on constable policies of the boarding school system that hoped to eradicate their culture and language still continued operating in some parts of the nation as the code. Talkers fought in world. War two ridiculous. They fought for a nation that only granted them full citizenship two decades earlier in nineteen twenty four with the snyder act. American indians right to vote would not be fully secured nationwide. I this is insane to me until the nineteen sixty five voting rights act this act also known as the indian citizenship act declared all non indian citizens or declared all non-citizen indians born within the territorial limits of the united states be and they are hereby declared to be citizens of the united states knack not into almost a full decade after Native code talkers and other native soldiers. You know Well actually two decades after world war. Two crazy the contribution to the united states military success in both wars was immense and. I'm glad i could help. Spread some awareness about their incredible achievements to date way overdue way overdue nelson. What they did again. One more time in today's top five takeaways time a number one the navajo language was chosen. Us marines needed an unbreakable code because it is incredibly complex spoken by very few people and only existed as an oral language number two in the code wars these secret military codes developed by twenty nine navajo speakers beat out the nazi a motion as the only unbreakable of the war number three other american tribal languages were developed into codes during world war. One and native code continued to be used by the us military as late as the early phases of the vietnam war and then nestor encryption. Devices replaced the code dockers. Damn computer taken human jobs been happening for a while. Now stands for network of expertise in long term storage of digital resources The were developed by the national security administration. The nsa number four. Despite the government's to eradicate native languages to boarding schools to punish students for speaking in their mother tongues it will be these languages that would help the us. Government and the allied forces achieved to world war war to world war victories. How ironic number five new info one forgotten group from the cold. War's we did not mention here today. The linked people these american soldiers code talkers northwestern coastal people the people of the tides and they used their native wing it tongue as a code against japanese forces in world war two as well their actions remained unknown long after info about the navajo. Code talkers was declassified. The memory of five deceased college was finally honored by the alaska state legislature. A lesson two years ago in march of two thousand nineteen and a lot of people in alaska were surprised to not get code talkers ever existed. They've been ordered long ago not to talk about what they did and they took their orders very seriously all five men to their secrets to the grave. Not even their immediate families knew about it. One man george luis junior was so quiet about the role he played in world war two his own son. Ray lewis born shortly after the war didn't even know his father served in the war didn't serve in the military at all. He said his dad literally never talked about it. Ray said that there are no military records in the family to even indicate what branch the elder lewis served. It was so proud of his father and of course When he found out and only wished he could have spoken about it with him while he still lived. He said upon learning of his father's contributions. I'm very proud of it. Father was instrumental in saving a lot of lives out there by take away. 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Pussy desert progressively more intense bridal in flogging training. Her quit like dry full leaf in a light breeze. A dry leaf about to get so wet noise seriously though. Thanks for sharing your embarrassment. Here's love picture mentally how all of that went down. I i love. She had to come ask you to turn it off. Clearly she was not a fan Now a message of condolence from thoughtful sack billy p billy wright's dearest suck master are listening to since way back to the marilyn monroe suck and this is the first time writing in Though i did email lindsey but an episode of scared to death. I just finished your viktor. Frankl end of the year. Wrap up suck and really moved me. I'm sorry for the loss year. Grandpa much like you had a wonderful grandfather who really more of a father to me. He was an amazing family. Man who raised ten children catholic in the fifties As well as my sister and me he passed away about ten years ago and like you. I am thankful every day to have had such a tremendous role model who demonstrated perfectly dr franklin point of finding the meaning in your life. He never had an extremely high paying job all luxuries in the world but it was clear that he was happy with his life because of his family. From listen to you over the years. It seems like your grammy award was exactly the same absolutely Had a severe allergy issue. When you spoke about your grandpa and writing this email seems to be flaring it back up. I hope you're able to tour again next year comeback to buffalo soil. Last time you're here. In totally botched the handshake was way too excited about your upcoming world. War one suck keep up the great work and thank you for all the good you put into the world Your once and future spaces are billy p will thank you billy. Yes my my algae. Been out of control of the. I think about my grandpa and they started kick up what a man would have meat sack. The world could use more grandpa's like yours and mine. I guess We will have to do our best to to fill those shoes. Thanks for each now. Thanks for sharing a bit about your own grandfather. Sounds like he was cut from. The same cloth is pop award. So many messages have come in From so many of you about how much you loved. Viktor frankl positive outlook and finding meaning in your life last week and somebody messages offering kind words about pop awards passing. Here's another one of those messages from alex campbell writes. Hey dan first off. I wanted to reach out to you. Say how sorry. I am about the loss of your grandpa. It's hard losing someone. So close and important to you. I lost my paternal grandpa grandma a couple years ago and i still break down every now and then when i think of her. I still have voicemail on my phone. It is only a minute and a half long but it helps me to hear her voice on rough days as mass sweet My maternal grandpa has been battling dementia for about four years. Now and i just learned on christmas eve that he isn't expected to live past new years. This has been really hard to me. Because i'm getting married in june. It was super important to me to have in there as i marry the love of my life because it's completely fucked horse. Shit of a year and his heartless piece of shit virus known as covid. I've not been allowed to go see him since earlier this year before covid hit once i heard you talking about grams passing and hearing you choke up absolutely lost. It at work broke down. Bali my fucking is out and of having to leave work early. The is can continue now for the commons law. My boss walked by. Is i have a river forming on my goddamn face just stood there looking at me a welder and we have that total toxic. Masculinity stereotype expect from welding shop. Get some shit this next week for crying like a little baby anyways dan thank you for always keeping a positive attitude and everything you do. You're an amazing meets at can't wait to meet in person not even gonna apologize for long message or even acknowledging am i saw. You're not probably fucking not. You may cry work you please yet hope you and your family have a wonderful christmas and i hope two thousand twenty one is way better than this fucking train wreck. We've all been living in. This past year will thank you alex Star for the show work me and my grandpa was not a man to wear his emotions on his sleeve. And when i get choked up passing sometimes i then start laughing because i think about him looking at me thinking about him and shaking his head and discussed literally have no memory of ever seeing the man cry old school man shit on my centers. I'm cry kind of one time. So a little bit of moisture in his eyes at her wedding Sort of my female cousin is other granddaughter. But around me i think I think he would rather have Well we're say now but rather have died than for me to see him cry because he thought it was a sign of weakness more than toxic. Masculinity i guess. Sorry situation with kobe. And you grandpa and Yeah i hope it all has the happiest ending. It can't have. You have a truly sorry about that man condolences and tell the shop that you're only upset. You only get emotional because you just found out that a couple of dude you almost beat to death outside a bar the other night were let out of the hospital and you were hoping that they were dead. And then what fucking ncaa cto. I don't know which he thinks. Alex over twenty two thousand one is kind to you next to viktor frankl's message meaning hit super sucker and find future father kelton so hard a love. This message killed writes. Dear master soccer just finished listening to the viktor frankl. Twenty twenty episode. In the so inspired. I love everything. Y'all do a bad magic me and my wife watch s. td as we are in bed. Concierge realistic time salkin. Is we dumb. When i'm not driving to make deliveries just wanted to share about my twenty twenty and the question of life's meaning. I'm twenty six years old. Have been a fan of your standard since high school. Which got me here. I worked in the restaurant industry for ten years before taking this new job at a uniform delivery company will. My wife told me she was pregnant. After years of trying. Multiple miscarriages was such a blessing. She's doing any day. I can't wait to meet my little meets ac like i said i left the industry to have job with 401k benefits stable hours etc. The problem is do not really enjoy it. Don't get me wrong. It's a great job for a great company. And i get to listen to a podcast for ten hours a day but cooking was my life. I still cook every day at home for my wife and friends. But i gave up my dream to take this career so my child will never want for anything like i had to growing up super-poor with a single mom but listening to the two thousand twenty episode. Made me think being a dad is my meaning. I knew i never wanted to be anything life more than being a debt. That's what i've always wanted to be. That's my purpose to raise a strong smart independent. Little girl named madeline rose by the way. So i put my dreams on hold to be able to give her a home. Be able to pay your college in full and get to spend all the time i can with her. And that's what i'm gonna do. Serve along message but bad magic really gets me through the day which i was tech savvy enough to work for you. Thanks so much for Thank you so much for everything. Means more to me than you can know. Keep on sucking motherfucker. You're very loyal down. Creeper meet sack. Also my wife. And i both agree. You're lucky man to have the lovely crystal eleven queen as you wife kelton. I'm so glad. Think of them as let you found that meaning. What a wonderful dad. You're going to be good on you. So many different places to find meaning in life work is but one of many options numerous options. What a great name madeline rose love it Monroe's middle name is actually rose Like you said you can still cook right Home for friends and family so keep cooking. Maybe it'll stay home. Maybe someday you won't you know Doesn't matter where it goes as long as you're happy long as you have that meaning Wish you and your wife a very smooth delivery now. Let me share some more happy news. Some news of new life again a new mother sucker tryst. Trina carter writes Subject of good end to two thousand twenty hello master soccer. I've written previously but a pregnancy complication. We have been dealing with. This sucks task. Twenty twenty two recap. My baby was diagnosed with an umbilical aneurysm at twenty six weeks. This is an extremely rare and most often fatal anomaly. Only fifteen cases have ever been reported in the us with very few babies surviving only five to date at twenty eight weeks. I was hospitalized for clothes for close monitoring and unexpect- an expected early delivery after six weeks in the hospital and my baby divine all odds stacked against her. I'm proud to say our baby grow. Blake was delivered safely into the world this week on twelve. Twenty one twenty twenty. That is awesome now that the umbilical cord has gone. The aneurysm is no longer a threat and she is safe and healthy. She was born six weeks early. So we have a bit of an an icu Stay ahead of us. But no lasting long term effects will impact her. This has been arc. Christmas miracle and we want to share good news time so community. We think the world of you and lindsey. We are just an avi generosity display this year with charity. our hope is next year to contribute to the causes. Well my husband and i both spaces are little space. Newt is beautiful and loved already attached a photo hail nimrod keep on sucking you you. Mother fuckers with love. Trina and aaron carter trine erin congrats. Thanks for sharing your life with the rest of us and for the kind words and hello little blake. Tough aso fighter in bojangles. Thanks for the pick of late to. She is gorgeous and another great name. Lindsay loves the name blake for girl Enjoy all your days with or even the ones when she's going to be brat even the ones when you know you and You know airing. Brad's smile as much as you can. Soak up the ride and now let me transition to one last grandfather message i. Let's honor the passing of another fine man. This one really hit me. In the fields i might have to graphs a flonase. Gets get preemptive with your allergies right now solid sack jordan. James writes hello. Lord of the suck bear of many ridiculous nicknames. I am writing you today to share in your grief and until you got a great man. I was listening to suck today in the inspiring life of viktor frankl when you talked about the recent loss your grandfather. I'm very sorry for your loss. Your remember remembrance of your grandfather hit me particularly hard. They just lost my grandfather as well late on christmas eve. Twenty twenty has truly been a motherfucker of a year. I'd like to tell you about him. If you have the time i do. We do My real grandfather died in the year. Two thousand for long battle with cancer three days after my ninth birthday is definitely the loss. I felt most keenly in my life. My pappy was great man. We were very close. Bobby byrd with my grandfather's best friend and shortly after my pappy died. He moved in with my grandmother to help her. He treated my whole family like his own and we did the same for him. He was there for us in a tough time. In our lives. I got to spend almost twenty years of my life with him double. What i got with my pappy. And i was grateful for every minute of it. He taught me a lot about how to fix and build things and how to be a man and two thousand nineteen. He was diagnosed with bladder cancer. The doctors gave him about a year. Unfortunately a very accurate prognosis. I didn't see him as often as i wish this year with the pandemic my wife working retail job. I was terrified of exposing either hammer. My grandmother always had christmas eve and my grandfather's or grandmother's every year. This year was no different. He was there and though he looked awful. He was having trouble breathing walking. He would not let us take him to the hospital. I think he knew i think he was just holding out for one. Last christmas with us by grandmother and cousin found him now breathing a little before midnight with a quiet smile on his face. he chose his time and place. He was a man of small stature but a giant in my life. And i will never forget him. A love. you bobby byrd thank you for being a part of my life If this was a real letter it'll be covered in splotches. They couldn't stop crying as i wrote this. Sorry for the length any errors. I wrote this on my phone. My condolences again. Lost your grandfather a truly know how you feel. Merry christmas happy. New year inhale nimrod sincerely space lizard jordan james and jordan. Thank you for sharing such a wonderful story for us with us. And yeah for the condolences. Condolences to you. What a great man stepped right in their stepped right in from the on deck circle up to the plates when your grandpa pappy past. Help your grandmother. That's fucking beautiful. Hail bobby byrd held the fuck it about bird and he'll the fuck out of pop award. Inhale all of you. Beautiful bastards who make all this so special every week. Thank you for Yeah for all the messages again. And i hope we're going to have a superfund year here in twenty twenty one. Thanks times chris we all did. 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Iran Contra: Bud | 1

American Scandal

51:28 min | 2 years ago

Iran Contra: Bud | 1

"It's February ninth. Nineteen eighty-seven eleven pm Robert Baden McFarland, the former national security advisor to President Reagan was locked away in his home office in Bethesda, Maryland, a suburban community on the edge of Washington DC furiously typing away, bud's wife, John has already gone upstairs to bed, but bud can't sleep. He has a lot on his mind for weeks. He's been mired in a political scandal. That's rocked the Reagan administration to its core scandal the threatens to take down the president and everyone around it involves backroom deals. Shady arms dealers offshore Bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and legal covert operations. They're calling it the Iran contra fair. Bud is known for being tightly controlled even intense would all day long. He's been feeling unhinged. As he hears voices of newscasters swirling through his head. Leaving some officials. Here are calling it the worst candle of the Reagan presidency and costing him a top adviser. The president was still maintaining today that as a rainy at arms deal was not a mistake fee. Attorney general's later former national security adviser McFarlane had also been aware of the scheme. A major turning point was a few weeks back during Reagan's state of the union address. But hasn't been able to get it out of his mind. I took a risk with regard to our action in Iran. It did not work and for that. I assume full responsibility the goals were worthy. We did not achieve what we wished and serious mistakes were made in trying to do. Serious mistakes with buds name all over them. His misdeeds are public knowledge now and people in congress want to exact their pound of flesh in just a few hours, but is scheduled to appear before the tower commission and investigative body appointed by congress to look into the Iran contra scandal, he'll be forced to answer difficult questions about his activties potentially illegal activities during his time in the White House, but is a marine marines are trained to fight. Not navigate a swamp of media scrutiny and partisan politics his entire life. All he wanted to do serve his country. Now, he feels like he's failed. And if he does go down all his ideas for international relations will never be heard. So he types and types deep into the morning essays covering everything from arms control with Russia to diplomatic relations in the Middle East recommendations for his former boss, President Reagan didn't want to listen, even when bud had his ear. Maybe he'll listen now. Right. Something else to handwritten note to his wife John woman with whom he spent the last thirty three years of his life asking for her understanding and forgiveness. He gets up from his desk walks to the kitchen and puts the stack of papers on the counter with the letter to his wife on top. Then he pours himself glass of red wine reaches in his pocket pulls out a bottle of pills valium. He puts one in his mouth and uses the wine to wash it down. And then another and another, but Thon until every pill in the bottle is gone. In all bud swallows, thirty tablets, bows. His head says a quick prayer before heading up stairs. When he climbed into bed. Jonah is still away. She can send something different. But what's wrong, nothing but reaches over and takes her by the hand. I just wanna hold you for a little while. Good night tonight. John kisses him on the cheek it's all part of their nineteen but denied, but knows in might be the last turns off the light closes is weights. This episode of American scandal is sponsored by the audiobook edition of killing the SS by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard. Listen to an excerpt of the audiobook now and MacMillan audio dot com slash killing the SS, killing the SS is the thrilling true story of the Nazi hunters who tracked down Torius SS fugitives after the end of World War Two read by Bill O Reilly himself. This New York Times bestselling on your book is fast paced and stunning revealing shocking. Details about the captures of some of the world's most notorious Nazi war criminals. Listen to an excerpt. And by the audiobook now at MacMillan audio dot com slash killing the SS. From wondering, I'm Lindsey Graham, and this is American skin. According to bug McFarland. Iran-contra was never supposed to be a scandal. It was never supposed to go. As far as it. Did. It was supposed to help make America more safe and secure. But here's the thing about the characters in the story. Many of them are unreliable narrators. It's not that they're liars. Although there is plenty of lying in the story. But the way people remember events can be selective. And most of the characters in the story wish things had turned out differently. Robert, bud McFarlane isn't as well known of some of the other players involved, but work behind the scenes, but it's impossible to tell the story of Iran contra without bringing him in because Bod is the man who started it all. Iran contra is the story of two covert operations into seemingly unrelated countries on opposite sides of the globe, Iran and Nicaragua to countries to operations, but one scandal that nearly brought a president to his niece. It's a scandal that implicated the highest offices of government. It would result in a seven year investigation and three months of nationally televised hearings that asked fundamental questions about the nature of democracy. How could a complex highly involved operation like this happen without congressional oversight? Just what did the president know? And when is he accountable for can laws be broken in the name of the greater good. That's what we'll be exploring in this five part series. Iran-contra this episode one. But. It's early morning on October twenty third nineteen eighty three Beirut Lebanon, three years before but McFarland swallows those pills to marines stand guard outside the main entrance of the battalion landing team headquarters, otherwise known as the B L T. It's a four story building on the edge of harm of Beirut's international airport and home to a large force of US marines for inside the building asleep in their bunks, Lebanon is in the midst of a violent civil war and the marines have been sent there by President Reagan to help keep the peace. It's a dangerous mission. But the barracks are well-fortified surrounded by barbed wire. Sandbag barricades and most importantly, a six foot tall steel fence. The sergeant at arms long with his century stand at the ready just outside the building's main entrance looking out into the early morning light. It's quiet airport. Traffic doesn't start to pick up until sunrise. So when twin beams from what? It looks like a delivery truck appear in the distance sergeant to surprise. Are we expecting any deliveries today? Not that I know at cert- the truck continues into an asphalt parking lot two hundred yards away from the B L T and stops. Then turns north begins driving towards the marine compound slowly at first. But then it picks up speed as it approaches the barbed wire fence on the perimeter driver. Suddenly floors it and the truck barrels through sergeant quickly grabs radio truck we use its way through maze of Saint bag. Bunkers large truck bearing down on any turns to the century moocher weapon. Yes, sir. Command truck picks up speed heading straight for the entrance fire the bullets have no effect on the trucks progress is it smashes through the gate and into the part of the building's lobby. Finally skits. Twenty five hundred pounds of TNT leave behind a smoldering crater, forty feet wide thirty feet deep and hundreds of peacekeepers dead. It's two AM. In Augusta Georgia Bod McFarland is sleep in a hotel room. When he gets the call marines are dead and pay route. He doesn't know all the details. But he does know this the US military is under attack. He's only six days into his new job as national security advisor to President Reagan and on his first trip with the president in this role was a compromise choice for the national security position. He's loyal polite and officiant, but a threat to no one it's a job. He doesn't feel completely prepared for he told several close friends few days earlier, this job is way beyond me should have gotten. So in better like Kissinger. Now faced with an actual crisis situation, but quickly leaps into action calling the president and secretary of state George p Shultz who decide to return to Washington immediately at eight thirty seven AM, President Reagan makes a statement from the south lawn expressing grief for the peacekeepers and their families. And then a sure as the public they will not allow someone of such a best you'll nature to drive the United States out of the region at nine AM, but and President Reagan entered the situation room for an emergency meeting. The president's cabinet is waiting. Reagan gets right to the point priority. Number one. Find out who's responsible and smoke them out. It doesn't take long for the intelligence to report that Iran is behind the terrorist attack. But knows exactly where the terrorists are the Bikaner Bali a fertile region about one hundred kilometers east of Beirut. Bog knows Lebanon? Well, he came to the White House directly from Beirut where he worked on the ground. He. He knew many of them are Enes who were killed by the truck bomb and more importantly, he knew what happened to them could have been prevented if only people listened. For months. He has tried to get the Reagan administration to take in more proactive stance to get them marines off of the airstrip and turn them loose on terrorists operating in the region. But no one listened many of the cabinet didn't wanna get involved Reagan deferred to his team of advisers. The result was paralysis and now two hundred forty one dead American servicemen. In the past but was on the outside looking in. But now he's the national security advisor his recommendation to the president is firm launch an airstrike take them out. But there are other voices in the room louder voices, two in particular secretary of state, George Shultz and secretary of defense Caspar, Weinberger, the two men couldn't be further apart Schultz with his gray thinning scalp and light eyes Weinberger with Brown hair and dark piercing eyes. But more importantly than their parents, the two men don't particularly like each other. And they disagreed on everything Schultz sides with bud. He believes the US should strike back. He's a former military man like bud, and he isn't afraid to use force but secretary of defense Weinberger vehemently disagrees. The Vietnam war taught Weinberger the military should only be used as a last resort and only with a national political consensus. His suggestion. Get them marines out of there as soon as possible. But all but begs the president take action, but Reagan doesn't listen he sides with Weinberger and within a matter of months the peacekeeping forces withdrawn when asked by Newsweek what prompted the US to pull out of Lebanon, but tells them paralysis. In Bod size. The Beirut bombing is a crippling defeat at the hands of terrorists a catastrophe that can never happen. Again. The price is too high. But is a soldier and he learned a different lesson from Vietnam during his two tours of active combat duty in the face of a dangerous enemy. There's only one thing to do fight back. So bud steels himself. He resolves to break the political standstill crippling the country, but to do that he'll need the president's trust. When Ronald Reagan ran for president. He employed a simple campaign slogan. Let's make America great again. And it resonated with the American people Reagan beat Jimmy Carter in a landslide. Reagan's victory was in. No, small part due to his foreign policy ideas, ideas, authored largely by bud McFarlane from the very beginning of his tenure as national security adviser. But knows he's the odd. May now Reagan's cabinet is filled with wealthy men like George Shultz and Caspar Weinberger titans of business who came into their jobs with money fame and power earned in the private sector. But not, but but is a career public servant. But Reagan see something and Bod is determined to prove the president chose the right man for the job. Buddies always dreamed of making a difference in the international round. He served in Korea, Japan and Vietnam is a fierce patriot and wants to serve his country. But none of Reagan's advisors are sure he has the abilities or the skills to negotiate his way through the strong personalities who surround the president his methods are quiet. He listens rather than confronts. But over the next few months, but earns Reagan's trust he is loyal and knowledgeable with well-thought-out foreign policy ideas and most importantly bought his humble, he ingratiates himself to the president soon. He and his wife are invited to private dinners in the White House dining room with the president. And the first lady as buds friendship with the president deepens Reagan values, more and more what but has to say they have one on one meetings three to four times a day. He is walk in privileges in the Oval Office. And bud begins to proudly signed his memos. Robert McFarland for the president. Soon. It's clear to everyone, but is Reagan's top man. And a lot of people wonder why maybe it's because buds policy ideas helped put Reagan in the White House or maybe it's their shared worldview of America as a shining city on a hill their shared conviction that terrorism and communism the two greatest threats to democracy must be eliminated. Or maybe there's a simpler explanation. Maybe Reagan just likes bud McFarland. He's a likable guy. But staffers say his working credo is there is no limit to what a man can accomplish. If he doesn't mind who gets the credit, but buds credo and his influence over the president is about to face its first test, but warned Reagan the terrorist threat and Lebanon. He begged him not to withdraw US troops and Reagan should've listened because just five months after the Beirut bombing terrorists and Lebanon strike again. It's March nineteen Eighty-four and the morning. Sun is rising in Beirut. The situation on the ground is bad Lebanon is still a war zone less than a month ago. The US ordered all non-essential staff to leave and return to the United States. But William Buckley is not non essential personnel. Buckley is a CIA station chief he stands by the window of his tenth floor apartment. Sipping coffee and talking on a secure line graduations, Fisher buckling. Oh, thank you. Sir. Took them long enough. Better late than never for months. Buckle has been working tirelessly to free American hostages captured by the Iranian-backed terrorist group has Balaa getting a plan off the ground has been slow painstaking work. But yesterday, finally Buckley Connor break. A good proposal. Well done. Thank you, sir. Get out there and get to work. Yes, sir. Russia excitement floods through his veins. Buckley's proposal plan for the CIA to work with his Rayleigh special forces on hostage rescue mission is ago shortly after eight AM he leaves his apartment heads for the American embassy. Luckily excited to get moving. He's anxious to move this plant forward. And maybe that's why he lures protocol. Maybe that's why he decides to take his own car. Even after the embassy officials have instructed him not to whatever the reason on this day. March sixteenth nineteen Eighty-four. Luckily breaks the rules. He crosses the street gets in his car and fires at the end as he turns out of the lot a white Renault holes in front of him and slams on its brakes behind him a second car speeds in blocks his path a man runs up to his driver's side window. Luckily cries out, but the hell is this? The man responds by shoving gun to Buckley's head. He forces buckling into the Renault and force. Luckily, the CIA station chief who had been sent to Beirut to fight terrorism is now terrorists hostage. In March of nineteen Eighty-four the terrorists release have been you the tape makes its way from the Middle East Washington DC where it lands on the desk of CIA director, William Casey, Casey with his ball and crescent of white hair and oversized glasses doesn't look like an intelligence mastermind, but Casey the venture capitalist. Turn CIA director is a multimillionaire known for his brilliance and strategic vision. He knows the terrorists behind. This are backed by the leader of Iran, a man with no love for America the country. He calls the great Satan. I told Amy the tape sent a Casey by the terrorist shows Buckley emaciated beaten and bruised pleading for his life case. He takes the tape to the White House and plays it for the president who breaks down in tears, Casey, nearly does too. He feels personally responsible for William Buckley's capture. Because Casey is the man who sent Buckley to Beirut. But at least. Still alive? Casey wants his agent back. But there's something else looming over Bill Casey in the summer of nineteen Eighty-four. He's been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, the doctors don't know how much time he has left. If Casey wants to save agent. Buckley, he will have to move fast. Bud McFarland wants to be like his former boss Henry Kissinger, bud work side by side with the former secretary of state in the Nixon White House from Kissinger. Bod learned firsthand that national security adviser can make an impact on the global stage. Kissinger's overtures to China made him a foreign policy legend, and that's exactly what bud wants to do and Iran he wants to reestablish diplomatic relations. But knows Bill Casey wants those hostages fac and diplomacy as tried and true way to make that happen. So bud takes the idea to Casey and makes pitch re-engage Iran by opening channels with the anti Komeini anti-terrorist Iranians Casey jumps at the idea, and they create a report on the feasability of establishing diplomatic relations with your on the when they deliver the report to Reagan and his cabinet. It's shot down. That's in large part. Because Reagan listens to the advice of secretary of state, George Shultz. And secretary of defense Caspar Weinberger in a rare moment of unity Schultz and Weinberger reject buds idea. But just because they agree on what not to do doesn't mean that they can find common ground on how to deal with growing problem in the Middle East. Once again, nothing is getting done once again paralysis. Shultz and Weinberger have been fighting it out ever since the Beirut bombing. And now in the wake of Buckley's kidnapping, the debates over Lebanon have reached a fever pitch. In late nineteen Eighty-four an unnamed source at the White House tells the New York Times the clash between Schultz and Weinberger and the inability to go anywhere to get disputes settled produced paralysis, though, there's no proof. It's not hard to imagine. That the source is bud McFarland. Schultz is in charge of diplomacy. Weinberger is in charge of the military, but bud is in charge of national security and to keep America safe. He needs Schultz and Weinberger to get on the same page but believes diplomacy must be backed by military strength. And if diplomacy breaks down Americans will not be safe, but in Casey invite Schultz and Weinberger to a weekly breakfast meeting. The two foes begrudgingly accept the foursome which bought ironically names, the family group meets once a week in the Pentagon dining room or sometimes in a restaurant or cafe in foggy bottom neighborhood, just north of the Washington Mall, bud brings a wealth prepared clearly laid out foreign policy agenda to every. Meeting which they discuss over the meal, but over the course of the next couple of months, these discussions often turn into just arguments and not always arguments over foreign policy. Sometimes Scholten Weinberger even bicker about the breakfast menu. Meanwhile, the situation in Lebanon escalates, and then a year after William Buckley's captured six more Americans kidnapped by terrorists Shelton Weinberger like budding, Casey. And like all of the men in Reagan's cabinet agree on the end goal. They want the hostages home. 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It's early morning in February nineteen ninety-five, but opens the door to his office. He sets his briefcase down on his desk. But before even has a chance to grab a Cup of coffee. It's the hotline to Don Regan's office, the president's new chief of staff, Don get up here right now. It's whispered in Washington that Don Regan thinks hail to the chief refers to the chief of staff don's called brash imperious NEB szeswith preserving the image of his own power. And it's an image. He crafts with delicate precision. But sees it every day his top of the line tailor made suits in his neatly groomed. Slicked back hair buds heard all the rumors. And he knows why dawn's upset last night. There was an incident and east Germany US. Army major was killed on a routine inspection mission in the Soviet zone. But didn't notified on buds barely made it through the door to don's office. When the tirade begins got this. Outrageous. I don't have to learn what's going on from the news and not gonna put up with this. You're right on. I am sorry. I take full responsibility for it. Better. Be sorry. I'm not gonna take this kind of insubordination insubordination strange choice of word from a man who is not. But superior, bud. Shakes off and tries again, Don like I said, I'm sorry. It won't happen again. But turns leave but Don won't let it go. You don't seem to realize you worked for me around here. This stops in his tracks. He turns back to Don stares down. No, I don't I work for the president like hell, you do you work for me. Get that straight in your head or you'll be out of here. Don, you're right. I'll be gone by the end of the day. And with that bud turns to walk away closing the door behind. Bud walks back down to his office to get ready for the first meeting of the day when the hotline rings again. All right. Let's handle dislike grownups. I shouldn't have gotten upset. Don if that's an apology. I accept but you need to understand. I will do my best to keep you informed and just send items through you to the president. But there are times where that's just not possible. But can almost hear Don fuming on the other end of the line. Understood. Things between bud and dawn are off to a rocky start. But bud has bigger issues to deal with in a new chief of staff trying to establish a pecking order, but hasn't given up on his plan to reestablish diplomatic ties with your on what he doesn't know is that in a few months time and offer will make its way to his desk, a deal that might very well changed the course of history and turn the Reagan administration upside down. On august. Third. Nineteen eighty-five President Reagan summons bud to the Oval Office for the past few weeks. Reagan has been mulling over a very important deal. That might help Reagan chief one of his top priorities getting the US hostages back safely. Bragan asked to walk in through it one more time. So but goes over the details again in July, nineteen eighty five us Rayleigh foreign minister reached out to bud through an intermediary with an offer. His Railly's have been in touch with a group of moderate, and you come in Iran's who share a common goal with US and Israel stable Middle East and an Iran friendly to the west as a show of good faith. These Arabians have promised to secure the release of all seven US hostages. But in return Iranians wanna show of good faith as well. They want weapons to keep America's hands clean Israel will act as the middleman they will sell the Iranians. Missiles, which they previously purchased from the US the US will then replenish Israel supply. There's nothing illegal with the US giving weapons to its ally, Israel, but Reagan bud both know that's not exactly true. Their intent is to get the weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of captured Americans trading arms for hostages is a violation of Reagan's own stated position on terror. The US does not negotiate with terrorists. Not to mention he could get both of them in a whole lot of trouble. The Iranian arms deal as it will come to be called ventures onto some shaky legal ground Reagan's torn on the one hand he wants the hostages back safe and sound on the other. He's vowed to never negotiate with terrorists. But America isn't exactly negotiating with terrorists. Israel is Reagan stairs of the carpet for a moment. Before looking at bud. I wanna go ahead with it. I think it's the right thing to do. But nonce at last some forward movement the arms for hostages deal is officially ago, but gets right to work later that same afternoon on a secure conference call he notifies Reagan's cabinet CIA director Bill Casey is enthusiastic in his support. But not everyone. Shares Casey's excitement over the Deel Schultz and Weinberger again, find themselves on the same side, they adamantly oppose arms for hostages, but neither will stand in buds way. That can't because bud has President Reagan's authorization. When bud calls Reagan's chief of staff to tell him of the developments. There's no doubt. Don Regan is fuming on the other end, align not because of arms for hostages, Don supports that to you at the very least he tolerated. What Don doesn't tolerate is insubordination. But is already on thin ice with Don Regan and with the Iran deal already in motion. It's clear, but has gone over don's head again. In August, nineteen eighty-five a story appears in parade magazine a story that insinuates bud McFarland is cheating on his wife, but doesn't flinch under the scrutiny. He knows. It's not true. He also knows exactly where it came from. And he decides to confront Don Regan head on. He invites him to lunch at a little cafe near the Biltmore hotel when dawn sits down across from him but cuts to the chase. He asks if he's the one behind the leaks, Don flatly denies it. He says neither he nor any of his staff have anything to do with the story. But the rumors about bud. Don't go away stories continue to appear in print again. And again, whether dawn is behind the story or not, but knows Don wants him out of the picture. But also knows he's not going anywhere. He survived the Viet Cong he can outlast Don Regan. But there's another problem coming down the pike problem doesn't see coming. One involving CIA director Bill Casey Casey is a secret of man in August of nineteen eighty five. He still hasn't told his colleagues about his cancer diagnosis. Maybe he doesn't want anyone to make fuss or question his judgment. But Casey has another secret a secret he does not share with. But the president or anyone else a secret, but is going to wish he had known about before he put everything in motion. On august. Third nineteen five right? Actress conference with cabinet bud notifies his contact in Israel. The deal is on approved by the president. He instructions Isreaeli contact to send word to his contact in Iran. A man by the name of Manica, go Bonna far a shadowy figure with a round puffy face and inscrutable dark Brown eyes. Coban afar is an Iranian arms dealer and a former agent of the Iranian secret service by the time Reagan has authorized the Iranian arms deal in August. Eighty-five Corban afar has a well documented reputation for being untrustworthy. But bud doesn't know that. And neither does president. Reagan one person definitely does though or at least he should've known CIA director Bill Casey in July nineteen eighty four just over one year before the arms for hostages deal began the CIA issued a burn notice for Gabon. A phone. That's intelligent, speak for being blacklisted, the CIA concluded that von afar was only interested in one thing lining his pockets as the director of the CIA Casey should have known that his own agency doesn't trust on afar. And if he does no he doesn't tell anyone not president. Reagan not bud McFarland. So bud charges forward with the deal. Taps his right hand man in the national Security Council. Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North to manage the operation in a matter of weeks. It's often running on August thirtieth nineteen eighty-five Israel makes the first shipment of ninety six missiles to Iran. One hostage is set to be released exchange but had asked for CIA station chief William Buckley to be the first. But at the last minute the Iranians claimed Buckley's condition was so bad transporting him was impossible. So they release another hostage. Instead when the news reaches Washington, Casey is furious. Now, bud is deeply concerned the US government ask for Buckley and the Iranians. Agreed. But now they were changing the deal, but no one presses pause on September fifteenth. The Israelis make a second shipment. The very next day. But gets more concerning news from Lieutenant Colonel north. The Israelis were supposed to deliver one hundred missiles. Instead, they sent four hundred eight when asked north why the Israeli sent more than was agreed on North's answers concerning Iran's price went off at the national security briefing on September sixteenth, but privately expresses concerns to President Reagan tells the president that the fact that the Iranians keep changing the deal is a bad sign. He thinks they're being extorted. But Reagan's position doesn't change one hostage was released. There are six more to go. The deal is still worth pursuing in. So in November nineteen hundred five five hundred hawk missiles are set to make their way from Israel to your on. It's supposed to be a simple operation like the last two deliveries. The Israelis will package the weapons and wooden crates load them up on cargo planes and make the seven hour flight from Israel to Lisbon Portugal. Once the Israeli plans are approved by custom officials on the ground there. The planes will take off and fly five thousand miles to Tehran where go. Bon afar, the Iranians would be waiting to receive the shipment. But the operation does not go as planned instead, it's a complete and total disaster. Custom officials in Lisbon unexpectedly refused to let the Israelis land. So the planes turn back and fly home to Tel Aviv. The Israeli Foreign Minister calls bud in a panic. The lives of hostages are at stake. If the Iranian suspect foul play, they might do them harm. Maybe even kill them. But turns to Oliver North for health north enlist the help of the CIA to help Israel deliver the five hundred weapons, but something goes wrong to when the Iranians opened the crates. There are only eighteen missiles inside and each of them carries. The star of David etched on the casing in addition. They wanted anti aircraft missiles, but these missiles aren't what they requested the Iranians are convinced Israel did it on purpose to them. It's an act of sabotage an insult. There's also the matter of manager Girvan afar. While the hawk shipment went sideways, the money traded hands from Iran to Israel before the ship into place. The von Afars the middleman, which means even though the five hundred weapons were never delivered Corban afar. Still took his commission to the tune of one million dollars. When word of the botched arms delivery reaches the higher ups at the CIA director Bill Casey is in a tough spot. Technically, he needed written approval by the president to authorize a covert operation that didn't happen, and that technical detail is what will elevate the Iranian side of this scandal from the improper to the potentially impeachable for a covert operation to take place two things have to happen one. The president is required to sign a finding a confidential directive authorizing the covert on as in the president finds a covert action to be in the interests of national security to the finding supposed to be delivered to congress. They don't have to approve it. But they have to be told about it before the November nineteen ninety-five hawk mission. Reagan didn't sign a finding and he didn't notify congress. And when the CIA got involved Casey didn't request one no one did. What Reagan did do is verbally approved the transaction. But without a signed piece of paper. Everyone could end up in hot water with possible investigations into the White House and into the CIA or worse hospital articles of impeachment under pressure from his CIA callings Casey goes to Reagan to obtain a retroactive finding a retroactive finding isn't strictly speaking even thing, but it's something, and it might give the CIA and the president legal cover. So Reagan signs, the finding what it never makes its way to congress after this arm shipment disaster, the Iranians are furious, they feel they've been duped by Israel. But the biggest worry on the minds of Reagan and his cabinet are the six remaining hostages, if you Ron's anger shifts from Israel to the United States consequences for the hostages could be lethal in late November nineteen eighty five but is despondent. And he's embarrassed he had hoped that making inroads to Iran would place him in the company of men like Kissinger you wanted posterity to see him as a strategic thinker with a grand geopolitical vision the man who brought stability to the Middle East, but in the aftermath of the failed hawk missile. Shippen buds dreams of grandeur are beginning to fade in their place. The nagging suspicion that he's been played for a fool. American scandal is sponsored by article some good friends. Just bought a new house. It's a bit bigger and has a nice open common spaces for their family to gather eat play and just be together. It also has a big outdoor patio. But all this new space came with a new problem. 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The president gathered his cabinet at the White House for an emergency meeting about the failed hawk missile shipment. The question on the table kill the Iran deal or press on President Reagan's torn the Iran arms deal goes against his own policy on terrorism. It also violates the arms embargo act and enters into some seriously murky legal waters, but on the other hand American lives are at stake. There are still six hostages wasting away in Iran, besides Israel botched the delivering not the US if Reagan wants to mend the bridge with Iran and continue the deal. There is still a chance they Arabians might be game. Bill Casey agrees the risk is high. But in his mind, it's worth the reward. But Bill Casey is in the minority. Bud man who set the Iran deal in motion has had enough. He wanted to make headway with Ron but Corban afar and his cronies are not who they said they are. They're not to be trusted. But does not mince words. The deal is not working time to call it off and Shelton Winebrenner side with bud. This time the arms deal is dubious at best and at worst potential grounds for impeachment. Reagan knows he's flirting with a legal gray area. But his concern for the cat of men wins out. He says I can answer to the charges of the galaxy. But not to the charge that big strong, President Reagan has a chance to free hostages, but Weinberger won't back down. He presses the issue. This deal is illegal period in a tense moment. Reagan uses some of his famous charm to lighten the mood. He quips if he goes to jail, visiting hours are on Thursdays, but nobody laughs Weinberger's replies for boating. Oh, you won't be alone. At the end of the meeting. Reagan begrudgingly defers to his cabinet and a consensus is reached until we have a better idea of who we are dealing with no more arm sales. No, more talks with Iran's the Iran operation is officially dead. But they're still the issue of the hostages everyone agrees. The US will have to find another way to get them back. In the meantime, someone needs to meet with Corban afar to politely, call off the deal lasting. Reagan. Wants is the Iranians to turn on the US and cause harm to the hostages Reagan asked, but if you'll handle it, but the good soldier says, yes, sir. Then he gets on a plane and flies to London to meet with the Iranians face to face. It's early December nineteen eighty-five inside a dark apartment in an old Victorian building in London's West End, but McFarland sits at a table in front of a shelf of dusty books. Standing behind bud is a gaggle of US officials including Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North on the opposite side of the table is manager Girban afar. The mood in the room is tents. But breaks the silence leads off the meeting. Mr. von afar, I am here as Representative of the United States with specific instructions US entered into this deal with the hope that your associates wanted to open up a diplomatic channel with US. We held off our end of the deal when your people are ready to talk about real change. We'd be glad to continue the conversation. Corban afar. Says nothing instead he stares. His dark is cutting through bud. So bad presses on Mr. afar whenever you're calling ready for this. They should say. So until then we have no interest in continuing steel Girvan afar continues to stare as his face slowly turns bright red, and then he blows his tongue at radiates US has no right to make a mess of things on walk away. The people I'm dealing with are not to be crossed Girban afar. Leans in close to make sure bud gets the message. They need arms to fight the Iraqis, and if they don't get them there will be hell to pay. I don't like being threatened miserable. Bonna far. I'm not the threat. If I take this news back to my colleagues. Go mad. They'll say to hell with the hostages. Let has blocked kill them. But stands and heads for the door. I'm sorry. We don't have anything else to talk about. If your position changes, let me know. And with that. But officially closes the door on the arms for hostages deal. Right after the sit down with Ghorban afar in the streets, just outside. Oliver North tries to get to reconsider north admits or afar is a shady character. But he also reminds but if the goal is really to establish diplomatic relations with Iran Corban afar might be the only path forward but quickly puts north in his place. Corban afar is not to be trusted. He's proven. All he wants our weapons and money. Besides the president has already made his decision. The deal is dead. But in reality, the Iran arms deal has plenty of life left because back in Washington, President Reagan is beginning to waver. Ronald Reagan's favorite joke is the one about the little boy who asked Santa for a pony when Christmas morning finally comes all he gets is pile of manure the boys response. There must be a pony in here somewhere. When bud returns to Washington after his London trip. He meets with the president and his cabinet in the Oval Office tells the president shut down the Iran initiative, Mr President shut it down once and for all if there's a way to get the hostages back. This is not it. And again, the cabinet comes to buds defense even buds nemesis. Don Regan agrees with him this time, he says, I think we should listen to bud. But Reagan does not listen Reagan is still looking for the pony in the pile of manure that's a no small part because Bill Casey is there to convince him to keep going Casey agrees. It's risky business. But he tells the president most things worth doing our Weinberger makes the same case. He's made before it's illegal and of story Schultz back them up. But Reagan doesn't show his car's his last words in the meeting are hard to read. Well, okay. Weinberger's confident Reagan will back off so confident that later that day he writes in his notes that the baby has been strangled in his crib. But Weinberger's wrong. Reagan may not have set it directly in the meeting, but he has no intention of walking away from the Iran deal. And bud knows it deep down. He knows Reagan is a sentimental, man. A big hearted emotional man and Bod knows the president will never give up on the hostages. But his tried everything. Now, there's only one thing left to do. In late nineteen eighty five. There are rumors in the press. The buds departure from the national Security Council is imminent, but the press wrongly assumes, Don Regan is the root cause Don is a symptom, but not the disease for bud in the end. It comes down to a feeling that even though he understands foreign policy better than most of the other members of the cabinet president. Reagan is not listening to what he has to say. But will later tell the New York Times he could have done more. He could have gone into the Oval Office as many times as it took to convince Reagan to stop the Iran operation, he could have gone to the press. He could have leaked the story written an anonymous op-ed, but but didn't do any of that. Instead, he did what he felt was his duty the duty of public servant who disagrees with the action of a president as nineteen eighty-five wines to close, but resigns I have a statement. I wish to redo you. It's with deep regret and reluctance that I have accepted the resignation of but McFarland as my assistant for national security affairs. Let me say that I shall never forget the sacrifices that you and your family of maid service of your country. But before you get too comfortable. I should warn you that I'll probably be calling on you from time to time for your wise, counsel and advice in buds absence the arms for hostages deal. You've all and then it intensifies unbeknownst, bud. His right hand, man. Oliver North has been developing a new plan a secret plan. It starts with a Bank account in the Cayman Islands and involve dubious, quid pro quos and the illegal transfer of weapons and it will end in the jungles of Nicaragua. Where growing communist threat is rearing his head. It's a plan to kill to birds terrorism and communism with one stone a plan that so simple. It's gene. A plan called the divers. When it comes to Iran contra arms for hostages is just the tip the iceberg next on American scandal. We'll take a trip to South America. And following ten internal Oliver North as he carries out another covert operation deep in the jungles of Nicaragua. I hope you enjoyed this episode of American skin. 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The Situation at the U.S.-Mexico Border Cant Be Solved Without Acknowledging Its Origins

"Brought to you by hotseat a new memoir from jeff. Immelt the former. Ceo of general. Electric raw intimate. Hotseat is that. And more as emily recounts what. It's like to be a leader in times of crisis by your copy of hot seat today wherever books are sold the situation at the us. Mexico border can't be solved without acknowledging its origins by julia. G young with the us on pace to encounter more individuals on the southwest border than we have in the last twenty years as homeland security secretary alejandro may orcas said in a statement march sixteenth immigration at the us mexico. Border has emerged as one of the toughest challenges facing the biden administration last week. President biden put vice president. Kamala harris in charge of stemming. The flow of migrants biden was question about the immigrant situation at his first official press conference immigrants. Detention centers began to fill up once again and lawmakers from both sides of the aisle made trips to the border to publicize the issue and propose solutions. Biden's attempts to address immigration may be new but the issue is one that has dogged his predecessors for decades since the nineteen seventies republicans and democrats alike have tried to address undocumented immigration by constructing evermore draconian policies of border control deportation and detention border theater that grabs headlines and sometimes leads to short term change but never actually solves the problem. There's a reason why the. Us government has failed for so many years to control the border. None of these policies have addressed the real reasons for migration itself in migration studies. These are known as push and pull factors. The causes that drive migrants from one country to another today. The country's sending the most migrants to the us mexico border especially the central american countries have guatemala honduras and el salvador are experiencing a combination of push factors that include poverty and inequality political instability and violence. And while the current situation may be unique. It is also deeply rooted in history. Many countries in central america have struggled with poverty since the time of independence from spain in the early nineteenth century while they are beautiful countries that are rich and culture and history that colonial past has meant they have historically been home to large landless poor rural populations including many indigenous people of mayan descent and years after spanish control they were typically ruled by small oligarchies that disproportionately held wealth land and power and their economies were primary export dependent which brought great riches to landowners but also exacerbated and perpetuated inequality and the poverty of the majority. Those dynamics have carried forward to today more recently. Climate change in particular drought and massive storms has forced the vulnerable rural poor out of the countryside throughout central america. Political instability has also been a long term problem the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. There were constant struggles between liberal and conservative elites won't rural landless populations such as the followers of guerrilla insurgent attacks sandino nicaragua in the nineteen twenties but occasionally rise up and popular resistance more often than not. These uprisings were suppressed and violent conflicts. The united states often exacerbated these conflicts deploying the us marines and latin america whenever political uprisings seemed to threaten us business interests or national security by the mid twentieth century. There were new and worse. Wave of political violence popular movements on the left some influenced by marxist movements others by the labor movement or by anti imperialism aggressively and sometimes violently attempted to challenge. Old hierarchies and ruling classes conservative. Political elites often responded to these movements by inviting the military to take power and the resulting conflict would eventually develop into civil wars in guatemala. Nineteen sixty through nineteen ninety-six el salvador nineteen eighty through nineteen ninety-two and nicaragua. Nineteen seventy nine through nineteen ninety. The united states played a central role in many of these conflicts propping up military dictatorships and supporting them with logistical aid. Money training and weapons even as many of them committed human rights atrocities. These conflicts generated huge surges in immigration from central america establishing the migration patterns that persist today a final push factor with a very important transnational. History is gang violence. Ms thirteen is now one of the largest gangs in the world and has contributed to violent crime across the region. What many americans don't know is that. Ms thirteen was founded in poor neighborhoods in los angeles in the nineteen eighties within communities of central american refugees who had fled civil wars. Many of these gang members were subsequently imprisoned in the united states and then deported to central america through a program that began under president. Bill clinton with governments weakened by decades of war and incapable of dealing with this criminal influx. There was a huge rise in violence extortion and impunity across central america contributing to a new increase in immigration as people salt the security and safety that their governments could not provide pull factors in the. Us have also created the conditions for continued unauthorized migration from central america since the nineteen nineties entire sectors of the us economy have become increasingly dependent on low wage immigrant labor today undocumented immigrants makeup significant proportions of the labor force in certain industries especially agriculture. The service industry restaurants house cleaning and construction despite the demand for their labour. Us immigration policy makes it very difficult for would-be migrants from latin america to come to the united states legally although us immigration laws allow for family. Reunification it can take a decade or more for us. Citizens of central american origin to successfully sponsor family members for visas and other paths are mostly limited to highly skilled immigrants with at least a college degree. Nevertheless would be migrants desperate for a better life. No that if they can make across the border odds are they can get a job even without papers. This situation incentivizes risky border crossings and unauthorized entry into the united states. There is one way that immigrants from central america can legally migrate immediately and that is by requesting asylum arrive in the united states to gain asylum. Immigrants must prove that they had to leave their country owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race. Religion nationality membership of a particular social group or political opinion and while many central americans could indeed qualify for asylum based on their experiences of persecution. The previous administration made every effort to limit their ability to obtain it now. The biden administration must decide whether to restore the asylum framework which has become the only possible path to legal migration as well as safety insecurity for central americans and other migrants. Who do these combined push and pull factors are desperate to come to the united states given the complicated and deep-rooted reasons behind migration lawmakers cannot control or solve the ongoing crisis at the border by simply pouring money and resources into ever more militaristic border theater. It's no wonder that decades of such policies have done little to change the underlying dynamics instead. If americans are serious about changing the situation at the border we need to address the push and pull factors behind central american migration. We need to acknowledge the reality of the us economy in particular that it demands immigrant labor to work low wage jobs and work to construct. New legal frameworks that reflect that reality. We need to target financial and logistical support. To encourage central american countries to address the poverty and inequality that fuel migration rather than cutting foreign aid as the trump administration. Did we need to do all. We can to end the pervasive gang violence that pushes so many migrants out of their homelands and of course we must continue to evaluate our own historical and contemporary role in creating the longstanding problems that are pushing central americans to migrate.

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Maj. Scott Huesing, USMC, Iraq & Afghanistan

Veterans Chronicles

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Maj. Scott Huesing, USMC, Iraq & Afghanistan

"Our guest this week on veterans chronicles is retired marine corps infantry major scott using he is a veteran of operations desert storm iraqi freedom and enduring freedom is also the author of the gripping new book echo in ramadi the firsthand story of marines in iraq deadliest city and major using. Thanks so much for being with us. Thinks the program said pleasure be well that starts at the very beginning. Where were you born and raised. And when did you join the service. Well i grew up in illinois in the suburbs of chicago and went to high school in at city walk and After nas stellar high school career decided to enlist in the marines Got roped in like most young marines do and was very enamored by the whole glitz and glamour record. I lead a pretty risky lifestyle Grown up road. Motorcycle ran from the cops at my share fights and met the marines. They seem like this. Great big group risk-takers figured these guys are perfect. A perfect fit for me. And i listened. Did four years kind of figured out the my ways and decided. I need to get a college education and dylan state university and i graduated three years. I tell people that. Because i attribute that success in college greg to the fact that the discipline i learned as a young marine what that organization does for young people especially those may have steered off course a little bit with luna supervision. I think is irreplaceable and I- tribute my success to that. I got my commission as an infantry officer and at twenty four years and after ten deployments and traveling to over sixty different countries and it was an amazing journey. You know it was either marine or leading marines the entire time which. I'm extremely proud to say. Two quick follow ups appear from the northern suburbs. I assume here cubs fan. I am a cubs and not a huge sports fan. But i will go for the comes. i joined the marines. Just because they were the first ones that got their claws into being. I think On honestly i knew nothing about the military. I knew nothing about what went on in the marine corps. Other than the good-looking uniforms they wore and the office of the recruiters that went to was painted. Camouflage and there was camouflage netting over the desk thought it's these guys are Weren't need to be they my business. They did yeah. They were all business. desert storm You mentioned this in the introduction to the book obviously relatively brief military. I explained what you you were with them. And what your role was. Yes when i was a young enlisted marine And we got orders to fight desert shield desert storm. Everyone was very excited. Is most young marines are because it been since vietnam since panama. Maybe grenada brief punctuated conflicts. Where we knew we were going to a full on war and we're very excited to fight and it wasn't the grand scale of battle that That i experienced later on in my career. And i as i write i don't say this to diminish the service but it was it was over so quickly it was it was almost a very forgettable experience because we pushed through so rapidly. The surrender occurred. But the marines. That i fought alongside. I still keep in touch with them to this day. I was on the phone with one. Just this morning. Who's congratulating on the book success for ramadi and it's a very unique brotherhood and very proud of our service but that operation desert shield desert storm was very pale. In comparison to feature comment deployments that i experienced where the intensity of the fighting was much heavier the level of kinetics where we're bringing the full weight of the military to bear in the fact that we were doing it in urban environment made it vastly different than what i experienced as a young guy in desert. Shield does storm after desert storm. Is that when you move from enlisted to to officer. Yes i after desert storm. I had several months left on my contract. But i had started researching universities because i did wanna get education. I had some good leaders and mentors. That said you know scott you should look into this and there was also a massive drawdown in the military at that time because we operate on the sine wave of postwar prewar aware the force numbers go up and we had a force reduction and there are some latin moves going on where they change from one job to the next and none of them seemed appealing to me so i decided to get out go to college and i still stay connected to the marine corps. Even in college when i was a machine. Gunner with weapons company In in the chicago area. So i still stay connected. And then once i graduated I got my commissioning program through the basic officer candidates class. And you know i greg. To be honest. I really fell into that one as well and i had ambitions is a criminal justice science major working for the federal government and again there was a hiring freeze but a young motivated. Sergeant called me up and said i have your package. Scott if you go see us in january. And i didn't hesitate. And i'm so glad i made that decision because it was probably the best of my life. And what point did you get. Put in. charge of. The company got put in charge of a company marines at the same time. Every other. captain does You go through several different levels of command. The marine corps entrust only the very best to command young rains Men and women in combat or in training and they go through almost a year their lives and preparatory school in quantico virginia before they're given that opportunity step in front of marines. Is that first step. Throughout the resigned various levels of leadership with increased responsibility. And obviously you prove yourself you do well but everyone has the same opportunities in after you do several leadership billets and train yourself and show your potential for future leadership. Then you're sent to follow on schools and then selected to Command at the company level. And that happens. Normally after you graduate from the expeditionary warfare school and again in quantico virginia they send you back and your selected Not everybody gets elected though. I'm not going to say it's one hundred percent guarantee but those that are selected. I think it's important to note for viewers and listeners. That the young men and women that enlist right out of high school like i did You really don't see it. But now i have the perspective to understand our military organizations service wide. They have the best leadership at every level including those those junior officers all the way through general officers. Let's talk about echo in remedy Refers to echo company. Second battalion fourth marines. When did you get the orders that you are headed to iraq. Well when i left school. I actually had to graduate early. The battalion was on orders that were going to deploy and they needed to staff. All the rifle companies with commanders. So there would be at full strength. So i didn't get to walk across the stage. Like all the other captains i Was shoved a diplomate. My briefcase you gotta go check in. So i packed my vehicle. Left my wife in virginia again And then headed red. Cross country camp pendleton from virginia. I parked my jeep in the parking lot. I checked in a wednesday to command on a friday. And then the next week we're in the high desert training for war shortly thereafter We were on board the us boxer wasp amphibious Class ship when the fifteenth marine expeditionary commander colonel. Brian boudreau stepped out on ten november. The record birthday until this that we just got official orders that the fifteenth me was going into iraq as part of the surge strategy that had been ordered by president george w bush and general david betrays so we stood there on the flight deck of the boxer a bright sunny day steaming ahead and two thousand marines Just let loose because again. These are young guys. The first time in They all had been training so hard for game day. And they're about to go into the super bowl of combat. So did you know headed to ramadi at that point or those orders come later. We knew we were going to ramadi The fifteenth new itself was comprised of two thousand five hundred marines and sailors and once we were pushed into the country of iraq they really farmed out the fifteenth mu so some of the units went north. The aviation units were spread to allah saad and came korean village out to the west part of al anbar province and then two infantry companies were sent to ramadi to support the first brigade combat team with ready i and that was echo company. My company and then fox company which was commanded by good friend of mine John smith and we worked exclusively for the army and the reason they did that was because iraq at the time and for several years was essentially a giant game wackle the insurgency in these hardcore fighters would pop up in cities like to crete volusia ramadi. Nizhny off and for years. We had been hammering than back down into the ground with success We were definitely killing more of the enemy than they were of us but we never had the ability to cover down on all those areas at once so when the surge strategy was implemented it allowed the army to take two rifle companies from the marine corps and add them to their strength and we were bigger in size than traditional army companies. We were about two hundred two hundred and fifty marines where the army at the time had about eighty soldiers to one hundred soldiers. Because they'd suffered a lot of attrition and they'd been there for so long when we got into the city it really allowed the army to use us as as as leverage to Establish firm based in the city to gain and maintain security the physical presence that they just had been able to do so as we went through and cleared entire sections of the city. The army could come in and establish firm basis to which they can conduct feature operations out of the stylish local iraqi police stations Iraqi army recruiting centers and things that were designed to help future stability operations take root in that country that known as the clear and hold strategy. Was that the terminology used with with the surge. Clear and hold wasn't something that we dr only employed We were conducting clearance operations Our mission in iraq in two thousand six two thousand seven was to kill or capture anti-iraqi forces. And that's what we did that. That was our whole mission when people hear like ramadi. If you're not there you don't have people in the in the service the name's kind of run together. What was unique about the challenges in reminded compared to what you knew what was happening elsewhere. Well what's interesting about the city of reminding itself and you know it's interesting when general listeners or or or viewers hear the word like ramadi and when i wrote the book and i was. I was very insistent on that being the title and There was a little bit of conversation. No one's going to understand. What ramadi is it's a strange word. It doesn't you know kind of pitched it this way just to because it was important for me to to keep that title in. A road echoed. Ramadi was people had never heard of guadalcanal or places like okinawa. Or case on either until those books had been written and they'd become ingrained into american culture and that's why it's so important that people do learn that name You know our ramadi iraq. It's the grey city and marines and soldiers died there and they fought for not only the freedom of iraq but also to protect what we hold dear in this country. And it's one story. That i i absolutely didn't want to be marginalized in the shadows of other great battles in the off or baghdad or volusia that did get a lot of attention and to this day. I still get emails and phone calls from a lot of the marines marines and soldiers that fought in reminding thanking me for tone the story because there's others written but i don't think there's any written that are as detailed and as heartfelt with the emotion and the feeling that i was really lucky to get from my marines in the families that told their stories that i that i shared my writing on ramadi. Hold on right there. We'll be right back with scott using the book is echo in ramadi. This is veterans chronicles. Welcome back veterans chronicles on the radio america network. I'm greg columbus honored to be joined in studio by scott using retired. Us marine corps infantry major and the author of echo in ramadi and sir in in reading this book. It's clear that one of your priorities here is not just explaining what happened but who you're with. You spend a lot of time explaining who these guys were. That were critical in various parts of the story and in some cases the ones That you lost Seems like that was a bigger feature in than than i've seen in a lot of other books. Explain why that was so important. Well i think greg if you wanna learn about events and things you pick up a newspaper right and what's important to me is not the material things but it's about people and why they do things. Why are you crossing your legs like that. How does it feel when you squeeze the trigger on the rifle. What were you thinking to get that type of emotion from so many different perspectives. I think is very unique. And i think that's what people wanna read about. And when i describe my marines echo in ramadi it's them i did seventy five interviews with with all my marines and i would have loved to told two hundred fifty stories but nobody wants to read a book that long so the stories that i told were very important and i think they're also very emblematic of what not only every rain in echo company experience but what also jurors and marines did not only in iraq or afghanistan but in any war. Because it's a cliche maybe or an simple adage that war is timeless but it really is and there's a there's distinctions and comparisons. You can make. But i often get asked the question. How your marines better. And and how did you understand that that they were trained so well to be so effective at what. They did to suffer so few casualties. Even though we did lose marines we did have dozens of marines wounded. I think talking to my vietnam veterans and korean war veterans is that there's an understanding of the arab culture of the regional culture that our military has today that we prepare them for and because of the fact that they know about that culture. I think it really set them up for success on the battlefield. Because they were living in the city we lived in the city amongst the people were ninety percent of were good peaceloving iraqis and there was probably another ten percent that were insurgents five percent hardcore fighters and then five percent that maybe just wanted to make a name for themselves and they stood up and tried to fight in ramadi and they lost badly on most days but the fact that the marines understood the cultural able to interact with the people it really was valuable. And i like to say this to you is that In comparison to battle you could say perhaps that the battle of ramadi was significant in the fact that one it was the capital city of alum our province in to It can be compared to maybe the ted offense of vietnam. We won ramadi. Make no mistake about it. The marines and the army that fought in ramadi. We won that city. We set the conditions in two thousand four. Then we pull back and then they had to retake it again in. Oh six no seven and we did and that's validated not only from our actions in that small fraction time we spent there but the army. Who was there well before we showed up and stayed long after we left but they made me realize that we had made a difference together. The marines and the army is as joint team and what happened. Afterwards by giving that city back to iraq they punted it through the grandstands a life and i think we only need to look at our history books in may of two thousand fifteen to understand when isis began to rear. Its ugly head. What city they take ramadi because of its key terrain significant Importance with the government. It was no mystery and none of us needed a crystal ball back. Then greg to realize if we didn't plant a flag in this country proverbially speaking build a physical presence like we did from our past battles and learn from our history like we did in the pacific theater as we did in the european theater after war to. If we didn't do that we knew we'd be back there. What was your reaction when obviously all the sacrifice you and your men and other marines and other army units put in to to see what happened when isis came through their people. Ask me that question a lot. People ask me marines. That and i don't think we sit around in pine about the blood we spilled or the marines that gave every measure of devotion in their lives I don't think that that keeps us up at night because we knew If we didn't stay there it was going fall again. It was just a matter of certainty. I think that what the marines and the soldiers did in two thousand six in two thousand seven in that city. They made a difference and aside from killing a lot of the bad guys that needed to be killed. They also helped a lot of good people. And that's why marines do it's really the true spirit of raised do. Is they help those who can't help themselves and every time there employed in to combat or humanitarian role. That's what they do. And they always perform remarkably and makes me extremely proud to have spent almost twenty five years with that organization and be affiliated with them in every way. And i still am. And that's the that's the beauty of this network and the power of human connection and the power of the military families that we still stay very connected. Scap take another quick break here. retired us marine corps infantry major scott using the book echo in ramadi. We'll be right back on veterans chronicles. Welcome back to veterans chronicles on the radio america network. I'm greg columbus. Thanks for being with us. Our guest this week retired marine corps infantry major scott using veteran of operations desert storm iraqi freedom and enduring freedom and he's also the author of the new book echo in ramadi the firsthand story of us marines interacts deadliest city and Scott i wanna talk pretty much the segment about the personal stories again. Some of these guys that you talked about and obviously it started before you got to iraq. I think it might have been in the. The story talked about Libya leader who unfortunately lost his life and how at training. I think you might have been twenty nine palms and destroying through at night. He's got a bottle of something and offered you a drink and it's just that kind of commitment to getting to know your guys That that that's certainly struck. Ma'am certainly won't struck a lot of readers as well talk about that process taking the time to do that. And how that cohesion played out when you're at war well. I often get asked the question. Because i was prior enlisted if that made me officer and then my answer is always the same greg now. It did make me better officer. I think absolutely gave me a different perspective of what. The young marines were going through How valuable time was and how. I never wanted to misuse that time. And it also understood that being genuine and really connecting with those who is your privilege to lead. It's it's it's not a right. It's your privilege and an and quite an honor to be put in a position to do that where you influence and impact so many lives you never realize it at that time and sometimes it takes five or ten years and you get a phone call and they remind you of something you said. And that's unique responsibility that you don't often think of but developing relationships is really the most important thing about being a good leader and that's not exclusive to me. I didn't invent any of that. But i've always been aware of that and tried to listen to them rains. Although i'm sure there's times i could be accused of not being such a great listener but circumstances dictate but to be to be close to your marines to those you lead is important ten the leadership and it's not listed as a trait or principle of leadership but compassion is is on the top of my personal list because you need to understand how things affect them and how the deal with things how their personalized matter while still making the mission the number one priority. And if you do that you're going to set yourself up for success as as leader and there's a fine line you don't want to be too familiar. I never never say that. I was good friends with my marines They've got enough friends. They've only got one commanding officer. And that's where i always made them realize they've got plenty of friends but I was always approachable. Always thought my place was with the marines and if there is gear removed. I was moving. If there was a patrol i was on it. There's a firefight was in it. And i never wanted to task marines order them to do things that i was not absolutely won't be myself and i know there's examples of people that do that. I wasn't one of them but again. That's how i operated. And it's not just scott using the majority of infantry officers. The majority of military officers. That's the tentative leadership. They subscribe to marines lead from the front and everything we do. We eat last lead from the front. And it's just something so important to know the people you lead whether it's in corporate america or whether it's on the battlefield or in the military it's a people business you have to know your people to be successful and that's one of the the the leadership lessons that comes through and echo in ramadi as well as it's not just about the fighting the friction. The families that support is also about making tough decisions being a leader knowing win. The mission comes first and went to be Lenient in some cases so those those lessons of leadership and overcoming adversity and how to manage people and personalities times that comes through and that's applicable not only to our future generation warfighters but in the boardroom and corporate offices across the world you open the book talking about the death of of libby. Here's squad leader and that obviously draws in the reader So intensely talk about having to talk to his mother. I'm the impact it had on you. Personally i'm guessing ee even as gripping as it is in the book it's hard to put into words what that's like yeah corp livy was one of our squad leaders and He died on december sixth In a grueling five hour firefight it was one of the most complex and coordinate attacks. We'd seen to date and we've only been in the city for a few weeks although we'd experience a lot of heavy fighting We got the news that corporal libya being killed it. It really did stop us. And it was the first loss the first death we had in the entire battalion in an happened to us. So is Not just a shocking. But also sobering. Experience is we. We lost one of our key. Leaders and libby was another one of those gregarious personalities that I highlight in the book. And there's there's just some people that stand out. Libby was one of them and there there are many others but To say that. I knew all of my rains that type of level as i described would be true. I mean there are some guys that just kind of hide under the radar. They don't wanna hang out the co they don't want to divulge get you know to close or give too much away but libby was not that way. He was very outgoing and he was a leader that he understood that when bullets are flying involves are exploiting rank age and gender or any of that none of it comes into play and he understood that very well and that's why i trust him so implicitly and it was such a huge hit to not only me but the entire company when we lost libya because everyone loved him not and When i had to make the phone call to his mom You know. I don't think there's a requirement to do it. I think every officer leader get some trivial class and how to ride condolence letter. But as i write in the book to there's there's no training that can prepare you for to to do that It's tough and it's tough. But i felt that i owed jenny. Libya phone call that night and through the midst of everything The fighting in the friction. That night. When i when i took liberty the aid station in my own v And turn them over to our first sergeant or senior enlisted. Tom foster I news in good hands. But i didn't know the outcome but we knew it was bad. Then we've ultimately found out the news. That's why i decided to call his mom and talk to her and You know despite the the painful experience at it was for me to make that phone call and even to still talk about it. Even though idea because i think it's important The brightness the comes through that story that i want people understand. Is that in. All of her pain. That day hearing me tell her that her son was dead. The the first thing she said to me was thank you. I couldn't believe it. It literally stunned me to hear those words. You know come from jenny who was in castle rock maine and i'd never met her but she was a mom and she knew that what we were doing in iraq was hard work. She doesn't love being remorse anything and she knew it was a miserable place that we were fighting in and t hear her. Thank me for calling is indescribable. I mean are gold star. Families are just a group of extraordinary people. There's no other way to describe them. They're not ordering people. I don't know how you lose A son or daughter and then are still able to carry the torch and shine light for all of us who were still fighting and even though we lost a brother that day they lost her son. And then i had to make that same phone call again to his brother and his dad on the same night and it was. It was very tough but It's something that again i. I don't think that receiving a letter in the mail is how i would want to find out about it. I owed them more than that. It was important to me. Talk about blue star families devoting an entire chapter to the downing family and The dad and the the two sons that Were altering. I don't think most americans can realize these are things that were peel back. When i started doing the interviews at the time i knew ryan downing who is one of my young marines troublemaker. I knew it from the day. I met him but i loved him and he was a thin wiry scrappy chino kid. Who'd already seen more than sheriff combat during the first battle of ramadi and when he got injured for the second time in iraq and i had to call his mom that he'd been medivac out of country She picked up the phone and we talked. And it wasn't until a little in the conversation that i found out that not only was her son ryan in iraq. Her son justin was also in iraq and her husband was in iraq. All of the same time she had all three of marines all three of her men fighting in iraq at the same time and again just blown away when she told me. Thank you for calling of my marines. Commanders have ever taken the time to call me and all three event had gotten injured at one point or another Justin was blown up in a convoy explosion and received his first purple heart of the age of eighteen or nineteen ryan downing marine. It was already on his second award and Just the blue star families And thurn amazing organization to because it's not just the guys fighting that you see on tv and they're deployed and you get a little bit of coverage that you multiply that times four or five on the people that they leave behind. Every time they deploy. And it's i think it's staggering and my stories kind of out there for people the no three media and tv And it was even on fox news. When i left my wife pregnant driveway in virginia in two thousand four eight months. Pregnant said luck with that and The first time i saw my daughter was on fox news when she was born and then redeployed after a ten month deployment and met my daughter for the first time she was five months old. But there's families are left behind. And i think that's important is that there's so many second and third order affects and to be successful in the military is largely dependent on what we do. I mean it was largely dependent on my wife who supported me as as independent as she was raising my daughter. Bailey in my absence. After so many deployments in so many deployments that were extended normally. It's six or seven months. But for whatever reason i had this curse of being extended for nine ten months at a time which was just based off the needs of the mission so kimberly downing and her entire family i want to say thank you to them. Again for. Not only sharing their story but raising a great generation of warriors. I mean these families that a say it you've mystically but that breed these young men and women to serve on our nation's military they really are the finest people just a few minutes left with scott using echo in ramadi and Just do want to get back to a little bit of the tactical In ramadi given that it was so you know to urban warfare and it's not typical warfare. It's asymmetric i guess. The term often used was there a general strategy that depend on the specific mission of the day about whether it's house to house or or other different threats out there about how you confront them well again fighting an asymmetric war where literally you're living amongst the people you're living in the city. The frontlines is everywhere. The enemy wears no uniform. They blended well with the locals in at that time You know we weren't fighting strategies or policy we're fighting the enemy and our mission was to kill or capture and iraqi forces and again we were extremely effective Our mission was was pretty simple and it was a little bit where the art meets science and vice versa as we conduct clearance operations in the city and through our technology were extremely effective. I mean we had advanced weaponry we had advanced optics night vision devices thermal optics so we own the night. So that's when we went out to hunt and we pursued the enemy constantly knocking them back on their heels as we move through block after block house. Her house room after room clearing every single thing out of that city and had a strict policy and some of them reason like it but it wasn't an option for them whenever they went into any structure. I've made them take every single weapon out and carry it out now. That may seem like an easy task. picking up weapons and taking them out out of houses for insurgents that are hiding their as weapons caches. But now you're talking about individual marine. He's already carrying about forty five to sixty pounds of gear. Water ammunition his own rifle and now he's picking up to three extra rifles that way maybe eight to ten pounds each. He's throwing them on his back. And then to get caught in another firefight. It becomes a significant emotional event. Trust me. it's cumbersome. And that's where i described as this friction you know the indescribable friction. That can only be felt by those that have been subjected to that type of pressure under those circumstances so we did this day in and day out clearing inch by inch of the city leaving nothing. Untouched and around every corner was a squatter marines and if the surgeons wanted to come out and fight that day they wanna be in a bad day for them. We want pushing west working for another task force. And i tell this story in the book because i think it's kind of kind of funny but we checked in and there was an armored task force. Asked me how it was gonna move around the city. How many vehicles. I want to say none. How many bradley's said none. Abc's none he said. Well how are you going to run the city scott. So we're gonna walk. I said we're gonna walk every single street every single house and again. If there's an insurgent wants to pop his head out around the corner he's going to run into one of my squad of marines. It's gonna be a bad day because we crawled through that. See cockroaches when the lights were turned on in my marines were engaging and killing the enemy every single day and the way they did it was not only with the thallady because they're the most deadly weapons on the battlefield in the in house shoot. Housetrained issue the rifles. But they do it under such immense pressure. They do it with honors. Well and i was always impressed with the way they conduct themselves on the battlefield and that was part of their training going into and i made that abundantly clear as before we were thrust into the city of ramadi is. I told them that that's what they're going to have to do. You will have to kill. And i always wanted them to know that it was coming from me so they could do that and never hesitate when it came down to making that one conscious decision. That singular movement of squeezing the trigger on that rifle and take another human which is a horrific and life changing event for an eighteen year old kid. I wanted him to know that i was ordering them to kill. Because that's what marines. Do they follow orders. At the end of this war at the end of the battles. I wanted them to leave that place with a clean heart and to get them to understand that i think was important and it was again. Validated by those fifty combat vets had been in the first ballot my my salty season vets of twenty twenty two years old. You know that's all seasons. They were but Regardless they performed phenomenally each. And every time and i think that's another thing that you do a great job of getting across in this book in fact i think you say it right there in the beginning of the prologue is that if your idea of of combat is hollywood or somehow glamorous let me disabuse you of that right now and then of course as you go through the book it becomes abundantly obvious but Given the fact that you know it's a small percentage of families that that are now connected to the military on active duty. How important is it for the rest of us to understand that. It's not what hollywood or or anybody else would have us believe. But it's actually what you describe it to me. I think it's important for listeners. And anyone to understand especially those in communities that aren't close to a military base that aren't close military organizations. You know middle america that are kind of removed from it other than what they see on tv. And i did try to describe it in such granularity In detail so that really paints a picture for the reader and echo in ramadi of what. It's like not only surroundings but with the people look like and what they felt an and i think it's important so they really understand the sacrifice that these young warriors made in the sacrifices of the families and the loss of our gold star families. Because they didn't take an oath they didn't get a vote. We did and the fact that they lost a son or daughter Throughout this long war. That's something they have to live with their entire lives We can live with what we lost. And what we sacrificed because we chose that we decision. So i think that's important. I think that readers will get a different inside. Look because that's why this is just is another war story. It's about the people as about the feeling and the emotion that comes through. It's not about one sniper or team of navy seals. it's about two hundred fifty marines and soldiers and sailors and their families and friends and interpreters and all of these great you know citizen warriors that stepped up that to help us fight win and survive in. What was the deadly city of iraq in two thousand six. It's just a release something different and again greg. It's my honor to share the story with you and be able to write it in an it with everybody last question. I know you've also started an organization to help veterans or perhaps even active duty Struggling to cope with some of what. They've been through Now that they're home talk about that a little bit. Yeah most of the executive director of save the brave dot org. It's a nice profit certified nonprofit that was actually started by one of my young marines when my own warfighters and echo company. Who just wanted a way to help. Veterans connect and. He asked me to come on board and help grow the organization several years ago. And we've been doing great things helping hundreds of. That's because we think that there's no better medicine no vaccine or pill at the. Va your doctors can give this really any better than connecting veterans. So they can share their stories because military personnel only make up less than one half of the american population of over three hundred thirty million people in this country less than one half within that. There's the marine corps within that there's infantry within the infantry there's those guys like marines and echo company who were in combat and those that were in combat squeeze a trigger on the rifle had to make those decisions so when they start to unpack those traumatic events those life changing events is a very limited audience with which they can share. So i think it's important to have another organization in place where we can provide them a safe environment to share their stories. No they're always Protected and if they do need more help we have a great of resource providers that we vector those young guys too. and it's not just marines. It's any veteran. And we screen them all through the veteran's centers to make sure we're getting the right people to the right programs need help and i think that's important and a portion of the proceeds of ramadi will be donated to say the brave dot org because i'm committed to it and i wouldn't have it on the inside of the cover of the book if if i wasn't and i think if you give i good things following and that's one of the one of the reasons i wrote the book as well as helping vets feel good the beginning of every day. Save the brave dot. Org is where folks can learn more major using. Thanks so much for your service to our country. Thank you very much for being with us. Today is my pleasure being on the show retired. Us marine corps infantry major scott using he is also a veteran of operation desert storm and enduring freedom in addition to iraqi freedom and the book once again echo in ramadi the firsthand story of us marines interacts deadliest city. I'm greg columbus. This is veterans chronicles.

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Quality, Marriage, Martial Arts and Management  - ASQ Conference

#QualityMatters

19:12 min | 1 year ago

Quality, Marriage, Martial Arts and Management - ASQ Conference

"Hey everyone welcome back to quality matters on your hostess Darcy Chambers Chambers and we have a special guest with us today Doctor Rob Pennington. I've got his an introduction. I'm going to read Psychologists and executive coach. Dr Rob Pennington has been helping leaders and teams find a better balance of authority and collaboration. Since nineteen eighty two in today's global economy quality matters Benjamin Franklin once the bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten quality. Matters is here to talk about all things quality. So whether you're looking to improve your business getting ready for an audit or dealing with failed inspections tune live. CHECK US out. Then give back to doing work. That matters a former assistant professor at the university Houston and co-founder of resource international which is a Houston based management consulting firm since two thousand fourteen. Dr Pennington has is presented his leadership insights and techniques techniques in a monthly professional development series here in Houston for area managers in high potentials. And you can learn more about about that. At DOC DR ROB SPEAKS DOT COM great. All right that's interesting. We might revisit that later. So we have you on today. Welcome because we're all going to be part of the as Q.. Conference here in Houston That is going to occur on Friday November eight th this from seventy five. PM At the United Way of Greater Houston and you're one of the speakers. Yeah all right afternoon. Two o'clock there. We go so Dr Rob specifically come at two o'clock but they're going to be there all day. We're going to be there all day. We're just there to record and have fun. Yeah we're going to come and have fun because that's what we like. Today's so I have some notes that you are going to speak on. Is this correct. The martial art of communication. That's correct okay. So that's an interesting topic. Our boys do not take martial arts but they think they know and they try to fight all the time and it is not a good communication skill at our house because most people are getting that from like movies and TV shows and things like that. And what you see mainly is how do you beat up the other person the best which is why you're always in the news media anyways but the real martial arts is not about that it's about how to keep the peace how to do the least harm okay and so it's about how to use the other person's force away because it's like if you're riding a horse it's easier to ride it in the direction is going home so the first things in martial arts you learn how to do is to incentive if a person is coming at you you want to move them in the direction they're going and you start to have influence that way okay as opposed to have tried to stop them so if a person has an idea that they think they're right about which we think we're right about all our ideas and you think they're wrong then. It's very easy to get into this my way your way kind of conflict but for Marshall our point of view the first thing you WanNa do take them down the road. They're already going by simply asking more questions. Tell me more. Why are you think that and this applies everywhere because our station with her eleven year old just last night? You know he's He. He tends to fight with his mom a lot and told him that he is forbidden. Absolute forbidden from telling her no to anything anything he has to ask one. You think that I think that's good but the more you owe model left with each other sister and I mean I have to say something really kyle has brought to the family. You know seek understanding. Ask More questions. And it's something that we've all tried to even outside of marriage and home l. like with friends and family instead of getting mad about something. I'll just calmly ask a question and say the trick from getting mad dot. com is a problem because most of us in the middle of a conflict. We experienced this emotional wave that causes us to forget any communication skill immediately. Me Into what you're talking about. Your problem is coming back with that. Four is absolutely eh requires the other person to defend the point of view. You're wanting them to let go of. That's true so when some dig their heels and more exactly okay so our timing off. It's not about never saying what you think is true. It's about winning. Say it and so I have a model called all the six stages in retail supportive agreement. When you say your stuff is staged three stage one is making sure? The other person's experience is being understood about their point. AWW and that's different than understanding their point of view so I can have an understanding of your point of view but if you don't experience me understanding it right. It won't make any difference now and even if I have to share with literally Save Your Life if you don't think I understand. Then nothing I say has any relevance MHM No and so you lose the power of even whatever right idea you have because of creating defensiveness the other person by the immediacy of response so I have three questions to conflict and the first one is what is it you want me to know and then is there anything else changes or something Nelson and then is that all of our fights that we may uh-huh go because he does trying to seek understanding and I like to hold onto my anger so I'm imagining him. Asked me that and still like well let me give you some insight about about anger. That's what often gets created conflict so anytime anyone's angry they're telling you to things may not be aware of this because they're focused on what they're angry. Yeah about anger. Says it's important to them. Whatever it is your home is important and the more intense the emotion the more important? It is not sure sure it's a it's a drain resources new. You're not gonNA listen aborted so remember that the second thing is they. I don't think you want to hear this. If they thought you wanted to hear it they wouldn't have to get angry to tell you. So the anger is there because of an assumption of resistance assistance now that may not be personal. They may think that about everybody because pretty much. Everybody has difficulty hearing other people's points of view and so learning how to deal with that emotional wave and I have old page on that card speed through stress dot com. Okay speed through stress and five steps steps in fifteen seconds so that you could remember to say wow I can tell this is important. What is it you want me to know? Gotcha and then. And what are they going to do. They're going to start telling you now you're taking them in the direction they're wanting to go you're exerting just enough control that you're not butting the heads on it now you're actually opening the door and saying tell me more you know but you have to be patient with the process because until that person experiences that so you understand. They're not going to release their hold on it. They're going to keep their tails. Doug it now that could take a while. Yeah so I mean I talk about education a lot on our podcast. Because that's my background. I taught for nine years. But you know you talk about. They want to be understood and that was always the way with our students taught elementary levels. And you know I knew early on that if I didn't have a relationship with those kids and they didn't know that that I loved them and cared about them. Whatever I taught didn't mean anything now because they had to know that I cared about them? I good so important because it helps people feel safer uh-huh and so leaders need to be responsible for their employees. Feeling safe safe to disagree. With a lot of supervisors. I think a little naive. I think they think when they say. Hey you know. My Door's always open. If you have anything let me know. And they believe that people will believe that because they're being sincere but I think most people here the authorities say that and thank. Yeah Right. Yeah because one do not I believe with authorities are very open disagreement so the more authority can just practice what we're talking about in the middle of a disagreement rather than discounting counting it or you know we've dealt with this year's you don't know what you're talking about Tell me more. Why do you think that was the challenges? The safer it becomes uh-huh and then more comfortable people feel and people spend most of the time at work and the main thing that people are frustrated and stressed about is not ought not enough time and not enough money. It's about not feeling safe to express myself. I mean how many times have we had an argument with someone who's like Monty in the room practice. The conversation was that and a happy hour last night. Olonga global network and They had a panel. They're one of the speakers was talking about this Israel about Delic Entrepreneurship and startups and whatnot and he was talking about how chicken a few years to realize that. There's no shortage of good ideas out there. There's tons of good ideas out there. The problem is people. People are terrible communicating them as it's not even developing the plan is not even developing technology. They they all do. I think there were eight of them there. The all universally agree that everyone has. This is technology down pat but being able to communicate what they want to do someone and winds fit and I just so much going same direction maybe not so much and So that sounds like sales like probably go back to quality and the whole idea of following a process or implementing a new process. Anytime there's a change people have some resistance to. There's some fear about him. I'm going to be able to write. Your houses changed empowering so communication allowing people the opportunity to do something news. There's a book called. The thirty management principles of the US Marines and one of them is deciding ride and invite descent so let's say implementing a new quality process typically is just here. It is now we're GONNA do it right. I think following that principal. It would be okay here what we're GONNA do. What are the problems? What are the challenges? What are the risks face because that opens the door for people to express their resistance disagreements accent and here's an interesting insight about human beings BS? Psychologists people will tolerate a disagreement when the experience we understood understood kids. They won't tolerate not being understood or cared data. Fester You leaders are really responsible for creating the environment just as parents and so would that work for like sales people all too. Because I think that's probably one of our biggest obstacles in our businesses. You know we have a really good thing going and the we can't convince people that they you we've always done it like this. We've done years. It's really hard to move someone when you don't connect to some need they have You're trying to Salom on a need. They don't know they have. And that's a hurdle that's almost impossible to get over so the trick is you gotta find out. What is their goal? What is their current need? What is that? They're doing reaching that. And what are the problems in that path Why is what all you have to offer better? But you have to start with describing their situation to their point of view so we had a leadership team that was interested in doing training throughout the company and we had done some interviews of people and we were meeting with the whole leadership team and I think they thought we were gonNA come in with power wife you know Finish University research in what we did is we told them what we knew about them. Here are ten things we know about you and the challenges you had in your history and what your goals rose R.. What you WanNa do and then is that true? Yeah we understand the whole conversation regardless of if you're very accurate. Accurate only mildly so. Yeah so but what I wanted to go. Wow amazing that you know all that. Obviously you understand this. He's the man I can come back with so here are some suggestions. We have some things we could do. That could be helpful now. They're open to hearing the sales pitch. But it's coming at a particular sequence in time right so I'm wanting to confirm understanding. I'm wanting to confirm agreement about that and I'm in some suggestions I think that's that's really great advice. He ended the conversation. The president said. So when are you going to move in. That's also an obstacle. We have because you know we want to help you with your quality program. But we don't want to do it for you because then it's our quality program not right yours cow winking you. Can you just come do this for a nice offer. That means you need to have other resources in your Burkett. Who could go do that? You get a piece of that. Yeah but it also can add a training component what you offer a coaching component. What you offer aside from whatever the product is and every business is either product or service and sometimes I think we get stuck being one or the other? Yeah when there's really opportunities to do both in many ways yeah no I agree now. This is very good you know. Ah One thing is I'm an auditor so that's a fair amount of time Doing and we talk all the time about others good auditors bat others. I unfortunately seems to stay. said the scales were tilted more towards the bad auditor side. And you talk about the martial arts analogy. I love for for Auditing Tis so anytime auditors. Come in and they have this idea of what they're looking for which we have to have zero. We're looking you're an expert. Yeah we we know what we want. You'd have right and when folks show us something quite different from what we're expecting in inexperienced or stubborn auditor will will just try to battle bash out. That's wrong you should get. We're other than just ask more questions about that way. Yeah how'd that start. Yeah and and we're asking those questions. Oh my gosh you get so much amazing information sometimes information. They weren't even aware of that. May Be key step. Yeah you can do you. You can have much more. Effective audit could be started by person. WHO's no longer there and we're just contain? They don't want to have as a story worry about a mother who was cooking meatloaf and she cut off the hands and and her daughter asked her why she did that and she said. I don't know my mother always did that. So they call the mother and said you cut off the ends of your meatloaf and she said Yeah. I don't know why either my mother so be called the grandmother. Why are you cut off the ends of your meatloaf? She says my only this big a- and if you don't ask these questions and much more of a but a colorful experience where you're talking these folks I mean is so much more enjoyable to do an audit that way people want to be listened to yes people want their ideas valued and doesn't mean you have to agree with them but it doesn't mean you need to give the time and so this idea of managing the stress is really key. Because you stay calm when calm I can do this. And that's a skill that's learnable. Yeah so those five steps on speed through stress DOT COM is breathe. Relax reassure yourself. Thank positive look for some humor. All right actresses throughout the day. When like nothing's going on then moment of a conflict you guys it's so funny because he's our conversations we're having with our kids right right now but we're close to wrapping up? Tell us a little bit about this professional development series you have every month. I received the is trading evaluations from Exxon Mobil. Every year four years doing successful work relationships was five day course okay. Had successfully commanding the stress of change was a five day course so I had like ten days staff so this professional Goldman series is that plus a lot more around decision making team development etc.. And we get it from visage which is support group for CEO's in their high potentials and began as a quarterly Italy program. And now we've got we're in the third year so we've actually got three quarterly programs going awhile each with four different topics so we actually end up with about one a month okay. We're GONNA banking candies. It's not specific for exon anymore. This is open to the public and organizations organizations tend to identify their top managers because a lot of industry scientific engineering types. Don't get the training in being a manager or leader true so this kind

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#446 Johnny Joey Jones

First Class Fatherhood

26:16 min | 2 months ago

#446 Johnny Joey Jones

"Now the lace welcome to first glass fatherhood. Welcome everybody to four hundred and forty six podcast. I'm happy as always to be here with you. Stop by this. Is your first time to anthony. Podcast over there in baghdad. Subscribe button you do not want to miss. All the action is coming your way right here on. I ll fatherhood all right. Dad's i've got an inspirational guests for you guys. Today retired united states marine johnny. Joey jones joins me on the podcast. Triple j is a hero. Who suffered a devastating injury while he was on a combat deployment in afghanistan that would end up costing him both of his legs at the time he was serving as an eod bomb technician or explosive ordinance disposal technician. The incident resulted in the loss of both of his legs above the knee as well as some severe damage to both of his wrists and his right forearm. The injury however did not slow. Johnny joey jones down one bit since the injury he has been kicking ass and taking names and he has been improving the lives of countless veterans. If you just go check out his instagram you could see how he's been getting after it. You can catch him on fox news contributor and i am honored and grateful to have a few minutes with him here on the podcast today. Johnny joey jones will be here with me and just a few minutes. So please stick around for the interview and today's interview with triple j was recorded on video and is available for you guys to watch them a youtube channels. If you'd like to watch the conversation between myself and johnny. Joey jones please subscribe place. Fatherhood on youtube link is in the description of today's podcast episode. If you guys enjoy my military dad episodes are just my favorite episodes to do. There is a treasure trove of content available for you to listen to some of the other. Us marines. I've had on the podcast here. Include medal of honor recipient dakota meyer as well as navy cross recipient. Brian johnny cash. If you guys are interested in navy seals i've had jaakko willing and the stump. Marcus latrell at about sixty other frogmen on first fatherhood. I've also had black hawk down pilots such as mike durant army rangers. Like show up on and just so many other guys. They're all available here for you guys to listen to in the archives of the podcast and make sure you guys are following that instagram at alexander school as for some incredible upcoming guests announcements. If you're enjoying the podcast please. Rate me and review me over there on apple spotify. Wherever does he listened to the podcast. That always goes a long way to help me out and as always guys please tell me. Spread the word about the podcast. Every father in your neighborhood when you contact. Let them know about the show to your celebrating. Fatherhood family life fatherhood rocks family values rule and every day father's day. Read you a me. And i'm gonna be right back with johnny joey jones. I'm allegation listen to first-class fatherhood all right ads. My pillow has got so much more to offer than just the most comfortable pillow. You'll ever own. Don't take my word for it. Here's my wife to tell you her favor product from my pillow. Honey what is it well. I love all the my pillow products from the road to the towels. But my absolute favorite hands down product is the my pillow mattress. Topper honor king size bed. I have the best sleep since owning that topper. It's like sleeping at a spa resort. And i can't wait to sleep on it tonight and i look forward to seeing you there tonight and let me tell you something right now guys. Happy wife happy life and this mattress. Topper has been a game changer for me. That's a guarantee and speaking of guarantees all my pillow products. Come with a sixty day money back guarantee. So what are you waiting for first class. Father who listeners can now save up the sixty six percent off. That's right up to sixty six percents off your order. Using my promo code fatherhood visit mypillow dot com and use the promo code fatherhood to save up to sixty six percent off or use the eight hundred number. That's one eight hundred eight seven five zero two one nine one eight hundred eight seven five zero two one nine and your savings will be applied instantly. Visit mypillow dot com. Use the promo code fatherhood and save up to sixty six percents off your order at my pillow first class. Father johnny joey jones. Welcome to i last fatherhood. Thanks for having me on a first class. But i'm honored to be here and i love being a dad. Well it's an honor for me to have you you for your service. Let's start just like this. How many kids do you have. And how old are they got two kids. I've got an eleven year old son. I will tell me two things. They say he's real cute. I say looks just like me. So i always take that one to heart in the eighteen nineteen month old daughter. This is really got me rafter. Dr finger right now. Yeah very cool. Yeah i got my girl. On the fourth tribe we got three boys and then the power was a girl. We didn't get around four. We'd have five by now. She runs the show over here now. So we'll see. What kind of sports activities is your son into our son and i just through the pandemic. There's a shooting range about twenty minutes from us. And i'm big the hunting host hunting. Show always been into guns but i've never pushed any of mazda onto him. He's always been into baseball. Banned these recumbent early kid. And i love the fact that he's just nationally well rounded but baseball went away this year in soda. Fill that gap. He asked me to take him to the shotgun range and man he just is so good with. He'd trat that he he was taking. If you know anything about guns at fourteen of much smaller size gone than a twelve gauge so the smaller bullet hardest hit what you're shooting yet and he out shoots me with a fourteen and shooting. Twelve t just as really. He loves it so it must not do the shooting together and we go to baseball games together. Wow yeah incredible And if you could hear. Joey please just take a minute to hit my listeners. A little bit about your background and what you do. Yeah no problem so yeah just real quick. I'm from north georgia Country boy can't hear at my voice. I served in the marine corps for eight years and during that time i've came to detect detector bomb tech and in two thousand ten step on an night. Net gain stan after deploying to iraq and seven so Lost my legs above the knee and the rest of they say is history when i got back and recovered. How got my son is kind of a story ended up itself and So when i when i came back more ahead no legs a brand new son and a girlfriend that would become my wife so life changed quick but it was honestly it was offered a better into so now i'm fox news contributor host and i'm passionate about politics but more than anything i'm just passionate about this country. Yeah very well said and again thank you for your service and your sacrifice. It's amazing. I always people always ask me when i had these big guests on my shoulders. Who's favorite guest you have on and it's always the military guys that i have on the show. It's always got a special place in my heart. And i really admire what you guys do what you stand for so and now i always like to ask the dads how becoming a father changed your perspective. You've got a unique story with this show along your journey. How did be about how. How old were you when you became a dad and then becoming a father changed your perspective on light yeah you. This is in conservative politics. Sometimes people of cluster pearls martellus. But i have to be honest and tell the truth and so my son was result of what you would call a one night stand. I was living in florida about eight hours from my hometown. A young lady from my hometown. Did i knew. But didn't know i ran into her in florida. We had a good weekend together. Halloween weekend had fun and And a year later halloween weekend a year later she called me and said hey. I've got a three month old son. And you're the dad in out spearing go on deployment as a bomb tech at sought a woman that no responsibilities and know the best thing i can do best. We can explain. It is odd just went in to get stuff done mode. Like i had to change his name. I had to make sure that he would be taken care of if something happened to me to make sure she was getting the child support she needed to take care of him and make sure that i had custody so i flew home and did all those things at once. I took her with me. We've been friends ever since neither one of the slack cout started but it just really was a blessing in Really awesome gave me was a reason to want to be alive and survived that deployment and live through losing my legs. Yeah an incredible. I enjoy i talk about on the show all the time here. We we got a real fatherless crisis going on in our country we're too. Many kids are growing up. They don't have that father father figure. And i don't i don't host a marriage show here marriage counselor just a fatherhood aspect you know. And it's like. Mike learned last year down. The super bowl said you know what sometimes you gotta get a divorce or separation from your wife or you. You never never divorced or separated from the. I think this right dig. It's awesome. You know the relationship that you do have now we. What would you say the top values that you're hoping to instill in your kids grow enough. I think the does it make sense to me. In the most important thing is i always want to give my son the best in me. You don't if that's just a piece of him the that means he's doing all right. The next thing i'll say is someone else gave this advice. It makes all the sense in the world. Tc things my son in. That's a good. Dad has his kids in his life but a great dad is in his kids live so when i get frustrated about my son play video games rather than just getting onto him about it. I opened play one within minutes. Elliott is cool. How about we go do this now. And i've tried to teach him patients from the time he was able to understand words he never got gotten onto without an explanation of. Hey this is why. This is not right and i don't know if i just got lucky with him or some of these things work but the most important thing for me with my son is to be coffee. Epithets adapt cop himself and fifty for others and those are the two things that no matter. What the lesson is to be learned those the to try to make sure you know. Yeah good stuff And you mentioned too that your son doing the shooting with the guns right now. gun sales have skyrocketed applications for goes of skyrocketed this last year pandemic election cycle whatever it may be whatever. The reason is more people owning guns down. I'm a guy that never grew up around. Guns never fire guns. In fact i had navy seal on here. That invited me to come shooting ever really shot a gun. It was pretty intense for me. But what i want to ask you. Is we have these guys. One of the things for me is having a gun in the house when you have children and you're not a guy like yourself marine or an ex military officer what can i do you have in the data out. There bet is getting. That is one of these guys that went out got a gun. Permit purchasing a handgun. Because he wants to to protect his family but he's really not familiar with the gun and he's got kids in his house. What kind of vice you give that data. How do this how to go about learning what to do and be safe about it. Yeah you gotta go right. Yeah kitchen utensils. You've got knives. You've got a vehicle You've got steps. You've got a pool. There are dangers everywhere. You turn respect. A gun is the same thing and so the biggest problem with gun ownership in my opinion isn't how badly the gun is careless. The person is and that's the difference right and so if you own a gun. I don't care if there's no one in your home there's a responsibility that comes with it if that means locking it up during its unloaded and put in place that only you know how to get to it. Those are important things and it's something that every gun owner should take should take not take lightly and when you have kids around if you do those things already kids the situations no big deal. The second thing. I'll tell you this before my gun ever Before out ever held a gun he learned to respect the awesome power of a gun. We have weapons safety rules that before he touches a gun. He has a recite to me in now as shown in his room and i trust them. I don't think twice about it now. The ambitions and in my locker but he has a shotgun in his room. That's on purpose and that so he understands that would response would. Responsibility comes power and opportunity if by letting him keep his four ten shotgun over his bed newsroom than he knows that he has shown that responsibility and he takes it more seriously. And so for me advice. Is you know how you live your life. You know how you mitigate dangers. Treat the gun the same way and there's not a problem there. Yeah great stuff. How was your son then when you first allowed him to to fire a weapon. What's a what's a good age to start. Introducing kids obviously different when when you have died but say what is it is a good safe age to start. Introducing kids out of fire weapon. Clean a weapon the whole bit. You know you know your kid better than i do. My daughter's eighteen months old and she surprises me every single day with thinks she's learned the did not teach her that she observed and so it's never too early. If you're going to be a gun owner talk to your kids about guns how to treat them responsibly. And then for me with last on. I think i have video of him. Sitting in my lap of the two or three years old shooting a cricket rifle which is a single shot. Twenty two at coke cans now. He didn't hold gun regularly and become part of his live regularly and probably until he's not ten years old because for me it was all about him wanting to in him asking questions and showing the interest. I didn't want to push it on him or make it a chore or something. He wouldn't enjoy it then he might get careless and then he might not respect it in so for my son you know at about nine years old. What's his body came. Big enough that he can handle a gone. He's had the opportunity to come with me and learn and he's done it and now at eleven years old you know. Everybody says this. My son's a brilliant kid. United school can't keep up with how fast he learns and still eleven good for me. Thirteen might be good for my daughter of know i was fifteen before were part of my life is a slow learner but whenever your child starts to show responsibility and so that they understand the concept and will hold to it. That's when i think it's gone if that's what's going to be a part of your family's activities that's you bring it in with that notion of responsibility. If he can do his homework. You can keep your shoes clean. He can keep his room clean if he can keep up with an i want his mom told me three or four years ago. She bought him a phone. And it's like well. If you keep up with an iphone then you can have the responsibility of discounts. Let's start integrating lesson in there and that's how it'll do it with my children. Yeah well so yeah. it's funny. How different all of them are some of. I watched and doing the dishes. This kid's gonna drive a car someday but switching gears now to your daughter i think eighteen months. What what's your Your bedtime routine looked like what are you a story lullaby guy. How does your bedtime dealer all right. Dad's looking for a great night's sleep. You've gotta get a my pillow. Guaranteed the most comfortable pillow. You'll ever own. There's a reason why my pillows are flying off the shelf. And that's because it is a first class product. That's made right here in the united states of america and the comfort doesn't stop with just the my pillow check out my pillow dot com. And you'll see a whole wide variety of comfortable products such as towel sets giza dreams sheets. Mattress toppers mypillow bathrobes. Pajamas sets and so much more. You guys have heard my interview with first-class father and my pillow founder. Mike lindell right here on the podcast and right now. First-class father who listeners can save up to sixty six percent off their orders. That's right up the sixty six percent off on my pillow dot com by using the promo code fatherhood or simply call one eight hundred eight seven five zero two one nine and your savings will be instantly applied. Don't go another night. Without a my pillow visit my pillow dot com and use the promo code fatherhood or call one eight hundred eight seven five zero two one nine and save up the sixty six percent off your order on my pillow switching gears now to your daughter i think eighteen months. What what's your Your bedtime routine looked like what are you a story. Cook a lullaby guy. How does your bedtime routine luke where we read books all day long. It's literally thing to do in so at bedtime. It's not going to catch her attention because he's bringing me books. All day. i work from home. Wife works from home. Our hours a little bit funny. She doesn't get ten to go to sleep till ten so once school starts. We're gonna regret that. So we have to get back into the swing of things. But that's what's conducive for our lives and it keeps her a full night's sleep. I will tell you gotta brag my wife. My daughter has slept through the night since she was four months old. And it's really amazing. What what my wife as a dad so the dazzle watch this. You know. we're we're playing second fiddle most of the time anyway so. Our jobs reinforced those things. That the gets ride. You don't know how but when it comes to be ready for bed time Was with my daughter. It's a disney movie It's a way to connect. We don't do a whole lot of screen time and when we do screen town we want it to be a family event for as long as we can. I mean she's going to get old enough and wanna play video games and just can't tackle that on. You gotta have leeway and so for now you know. We enjoyed the whole disney. The lessons you learn from fox and hound even though they may kind of censor some of this stuff out move forward. They're really good lessons in these over movies. That teach life isn't easy and it isn't fair but there's joy and family and love in even in dark moments bright thanks can and so those are the kind of movies and s normally. What we do we lay down in the bed. What movie sleep in and put her in her bed. Yeah that's one of the biggest advantages. I think we have now as opposed to years ago where we can just watch whatever we want on demand. It's just whatever's on tv or whatever vc vhs tapes. It my kids. I can share with them. Gi thunder cats. Whatever it is. I can get them to launch anything. That i used to watch grownups. I think we definitely benefit from that one hundred percent and screen time. That's been an issue now. We seem to have had a little bit of a handle on it before damage. Now it's just it's gotten out of control with everything but How about as far as discipline goes Especially now your son. What type of disciplinarian are you as a father and is that different than the discipline. Style that you grew up with you know. My dad was tell people on monday. That never had to go to boot camp. He just had the personality he was a brick and block mason. He was up before the son works as a kid and then worked when he got home for work the next day su was and so i think i got a lot from him. If you ever see me on tv Refer to things. My dad said all the time and and the truth is my grandfather. My dad and my uncles. We all live with inside of each other. And half of these things. I come up with modern lap. Alkyl jeff but they were all father figures to me. It's not really got festival worlds in anywhere. My dad fell short. Seemed like one of the others. Were there to to to to fill that gap and so was. My son was difficult for me as financially Educationally i am so much different than to wait. I was raised. I'm the first person in my lineage to finish high school and walk across the stage to go to college or to enlist in the military voluntarily so so much about my life is different. now worrisome. you know my bringing was rough but it obviously worked. It's why i got through losing. My legs is my son getting that. And so i think with my son see so much of myself him always having to rethink liking being too hard. Am i asking too much my pushing too hard because it's like pushing myself with my daughter it's like okay. Well m spoiling too much. Am i doing too much for her. And there's an age difference but also the gender difference matter sooner. Because i don identify with her identifies her protector. But with him identifies his teacher and some always having to remind myself anita software touch with my son in sterner touch with my daughter so they both get those tools and information about self awareness. Like in the moment. When i may be making one of those mistakes always make can. I recognize it incorrect. It in if that means a conversation or if it means you know next time i'm not as harsher next time. I'm not as much of a pushover for me. It's all about self awareness of course correction really good stuff. Joey one of the things that concerns me a little bit is that i think like we create these things for our kids to have organized sports at four years old and when we were kids we played in the neighborhood. We picked all teams. We made up. The rules be settled all the fights. There was never any parents rabson and coaches. But i worry. Sometimes if they're not developing those kind of problem solving skills that we just got on our own if we're somehow robbing them of that and how that's gonna turn out down the line you know. Hey listen i live on in. I live on a private road there. Six houses here. i live on ten twenty acres. Anybody around me does their days. Where my son to go outside a lot or behind him and you figured out you go find something. He's got cell phone on him. I'm not going to get rid of that. So he can call me if something happens but go get hurt. You know you'll get hurt. And i'll give you some ideas the things to do and and you know he's. He's wrecked his bicycle. And and you know. I want him to go and experienced because that isn't viable and at the end of the day. We're not going to be there to hold your hand now doesn't mean i want my son to get hurt. But scrapes and bruises or life lessons at their best and and you earn scars. You know swat tell people all the time you earn a scar experience. I don't want to be scarred up by wanting to have that reminder. Hey man if i do this. It's going to hurt. Don't do it again or you know what man that was so fun. It was worth the risk. And then we'll talk it out. And so i'm i'm a rough around the edges. Got in that respect. And it's going to be interesting to see if i can treat my daughter's the same way i don't know but i'm gonna try and i know her mom will be there for it to yeah definitely one that struggling with that. My daughter is sick. She's my youngest. My only girl. My wife is cost of your mind and behavior a lot tougher on the boys. She definitely handles the discipline a lot. Different when our daughter than i do so about far junior always on on fox. You're always on tv. Wh how does your does. Your son have any interest in anything like that in broadcast. What does you think about your appearances on tv. And all that you know. It's it's something that we haven't had that face to face conversation about it all the time he does at my personality. I mean we are so much alike man. I went to war twice and lost my legs to have this opportunity because those are the things that mattered. Not just being on tv. Like if all wanted to be on tv. Wouldn't have anything by contribute when i went on. Tv so go live your life and if that's where it leads you back to because you're around that you have some talent that's okay too but go live rely and do something important to you. Not just to other people and we have had that conversation belt will say you know with my son. He he is so smart and so interested like i picked him up from school the other day he gives them truck he's eleven years old and he's talking about gdp and human capital and goods and services. And so i think he's actually interested in government from from more what you would call a walkie perspective. He wants to know why i had that. If you had to be a toy my mind went straight to understanding how that toy was put together. Pass it down how it came apart. Can't he's much the same way on bigger concept things. So i think that what i do for a living is showing is gaining interest in him. But i think it's more along the lines of the meat and potatoes. Not the not the lights and cameras. Yeah i told my oldest son aiden dive into this. Bitcoin find out about him back. Because i need to know what's going on with that. Well listen you. You've had a wildlife a successful career. Here what kind of goals are play as you have you for yourself. A future number one goal is always provide for my family and providing these smiles on the faces to everything i do try to relate back to that allows me to make good decisions and not spend too much time away but for me goals or simply to find a challenge in learn how to master. That's what there is no good school for the tv world especially when you're coming in as a marine and every time i have an opportunity to do something i haven't done before is fun for me and then if i can communicate these you know. The one thing i'll say is a lot of people on. Tv go on tv and talk to other people on tv and they use these buzz words and turns of phrases. That are very much what you call inner beltway and so my goal is always to think about. Who's watching ambition. My parents or my uncle or my godparents and talk to them and and so for me. My goal is to help make that normal and tv again. So that when people get their news they're getting an opportunity to understand it on opinion baked into it. Yeah we definitely need that authenticity especially when it comes to the media world definitely needed right now so Less i want to hear joy love to ask all the dazzling and get on the podcast covered it a little bit. What kind of advice do you have. That new dad orphan. Who's out there listening. Yeah wish this were my own really do on. I'd make it look out of it but someone told me this is all the world to me. That's a good dad. Has his kids in his lies but a great dad is in his kids. Lives duarte respect and tears. The things that your child is into because that's such a part of their personality. If you will help foster that i think you the return is huge in so you might like football. But he likes baseball. Start watching the braves. I guess that's what happened with me. Well said i love the message. It's been an honor for me. I gotta say johnny. Joey jones your first of all the way. Thank you so much time here on. I last fatherhood thank you joyous. Turn back to wrap things up here first. fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you once again to johnny joey jones. You're gonna be a few minutes of his time. Here was such an honor. Who sent me up on twitter. Guys driving that on instagram. You know what you thought about. Today's episode of always feedback. And make sure you lock it into that instagram account. Got some big upcoming guests announcements coming your way at alec underscore lace over there. If you enjoyed today's episode with johnny joey jones. You gotta go back through the archives and check out by interviews with so many military dads. They are the true heroes. I'm always grateful when i have a chance to speak to them on the podcast year. They're my favorite episodes to do. Hope you enjoyed it as much as i did. That's why i got you guys today. I'm alex you've been listening to the first place guys. We are not babysitters your father's we're not just fathers. We are first class. Fathers softening jokes. I hope no.

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NPR News: 07-12-2020 7AM ET

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NPR News: 07-12-2020 7AM ET

"Live from NPR news joyal Snyder President trump has made his first public appearance wearing a mask since the corona virus began spreading in the United States. He wore wandering his visit this weekend to the Walter. Reed Army Medical Center where he met with wounded soldiers and frontline healthcare workers. First. Time. President trump spoke to reporters before leaving for Walter Reed. Saying it's appropriate to wear masks at places like hospitals for months the president has refused to wear one in public, and his reluctance has sparked controversy especially as coronavirus cases rise in the United States according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University. There are more than three million confirmed corona virus cases in the United States and more than one hundred thirty four thousand people have died to Los Angeles now where public health officials have ordered the closure of L.. L. A. Perils manufacturing facility in south. La Afterwards at three hundred workers contracted the krona virus and four have died hedlund. Her teeth reports. It's the second time the plant has been ordered. Closed Complex was shut down last month after inspectors found violations of infection, control protocols and discovered around a hundred and fifty infections, health officials say despite the company being ordered closed, it reopened with new employees while the management tried to prevent health inspectors from entering the facility Elliott. Perilla zone by Charney, the Canadian who created American apparel. Apparel he was fired from that company after a numerous allegations of financial mismanagement and sexual abuse for NPR news I'm Hettie Lynne hurt. He's in Los. Angeles so zones of US Marines on the southern Japanese island of Okinawa been infected with the chronic virus marine, corps, says two basis have been put on lockdown this weekend. Okinawa's governors demanding that the US military take tougher prevention measures in Omaha Nebraska Rally support of local law enforcement drew about two hundred people, but Emily Chen Newton reports. counter-protestors highlight attention in the city. City as local officials are beginning new. She for Police Union contract that expires this year counter protesters, carrying signs at the names of those killed in police custody position themselves in and around the rally, those attending the rally, and does in protest of it vied for space to hang their banners on a nearby pedestrian bridge over five lanes of traffic when a flag reading educators for black lives was taken down a jogger Tracy, who preferred not to give her last name. Put it back up. This is America in all. opinions can be heard and that was. That wasn't cool ticket. Later, a group of protesters laid a nearly fifty foot banner across the lawn in front of the event. Reading de-fund the police for NPR news I'm Emily Chen Newton in Omaha this is NPR news. Former special counsel Robert. Muller's defending his investigation into ties between Russia and the trump campaign in two thousand, Sixteen Miller has written an opinion piece for the Washington Post saying the investigation was of. Importance in that Roger. Stone remains a convicted felon following trump's move to commute his prison sentence scientists in southern California. Say they've discovered an effective treatment for what's called Citrus Greening Z's. It's a `bacterial illness transmitted by insects and can impact all commercial citrus crops mcgilla of member station kcrw reports new remedy uses a naturally occurring substance to fortify plants against the disease. University of California, Riverside Professor Hailing Jin found a molecule with antimicrobial properties in Australia and finger limes. The plants are greeting tolerant. They have certain genes that build proteins that fight off bacteria behind the disease. The breakthrough comes after five years of research by the UCR geneticist. The new treatment can be administered via spray or Or injection and only a few applications per year required type of vaccine could also be developed. That would protect young and healthy plants from infection citrus greening disease is an issue around the world, but the discovery is especially relevant to California eighty percent of the nation's fresh citrus comes from the golden state for NPR news. I met Gillam in Los Angeles search for the missing television actress Neier Rivera's expected to resume later this morning. Authorities say they believe Rivera drowned in a lake in southern California's Ventura County, she had gone boating there with her young son, who was found asleep in the late Wednesday afternoon. Rivera played a lesbian teenager on the comedy musical glee. This is NPR news.

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Thursday 16 May

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Thursday 16 May

"What's the secret to a happy life for the answer? Join us in Madrid from Thursday, the twenty seventh to Saturday, the twenty ninth of June for Monaco's fifth annual quality of life conference. Head to conference dot monocle dot com for all the details and to buy your ticket, monocle, keeping an eye and here on the world. You're listening to the briefing, first broadcast on the sixteenth of may two thousand nineteen on monocle twenty four. The halo two, welcome to the briefing coming to you live from studio. One here at Matori house in London. I am Marcus hip coming up. Donald Trump has declared a national emergency to protect US computer networks from foreign adversaries. We'll have the very latest also head on today's program Wilson Monaco's bureau chief. I'll be here later to talk about the US marines moving out of Okinawa effects very much. Fyona Monaco's, senior Ariza Robert bounce will also be joining me in studio, one to tell us what makes a good political slogan. Plus, we'll be shitting off to Tel Aviv us the Israeli capital prepares to host this year's Eurovision song contest all that and much much more right here on the briefing with me. Marco safe beam. Donald Trump has declared a national emergency to pro sex US computer networks from foreign adversaries. The order does north name any company specifically, but is believed to talk. It's who away. Let's get the latest on this with Michael Clark who used to be the head of the Royal United Services institute here in London. Welcome back to the broker Michael. So what does the nationally -mergency Trump has declared mean in practice in real terms? It means that the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross can put, how are way on a list called an entity list, and who always about seventy affiliates and require all American firms, to have to have an expert license in effect to deal with them, either to buy from the mall to sell to them. So, although, as you say is named it's pretty clear that this is all directed at who are we? And what President Trump is saying is that. Our electric safety has Reese, reached such difficult point that it's now a state of emergency. We must we must now regard it as a matter of national security, most of the people wouldn't agree with that. And remember, he goes, infra states of emergency as a as a way of creating an executive order that doesn't need to go through congress. That's what he did over funding the parts of the wall between between America and Mexico. So there's a degree of political manipulation and all of this, but the underlying trend is are two things really one is that they do fear that the Chinese are technologically head of them in five G technology, and that they're that technology would come into America. And the other thing to remember is that this is all part of the trade war with China. There will be a g twenty summit in Tokyo next month or at least in Japan, I think it's in Tokyo and this is another as it were bargaining chip. So with the failure of the trade talks last week between China and America this, this. This idea of declaring a national emergency was held back. I think last week they've now, gone on with it as a bargaining chip towards what they hope will be some sort of breakthrough next month. How big of a blow is this for who away? Oh, it's quite big in principle. Of course, the Americans may not use it just putting them on the list is neither here, nor there. It's a question whether they will issue licenses, but the clear intention is that they may or may not or may may refuse to issue licenses and this affects other American companies, and it will affect who always operations around the world. So all we gets a lot of its own technology from Qualcomm, the American company, and so as quote comes concept by hallway then, so alway consta- ply, some of the other countries like Germany, or Italy, or in Britain for that matter around the world where it's, it's dealing quite extensively. So in a way, it dents reputation of hallway as a reliable supplier, but it also requires some pain from other American companies. I mean Intel Mike. Soft oracle, they all suffer if who always suffers. So this is one of these cases where Americans are saying for the sake of our national security. We're all going to suffer, but we calculate that hallway and China will suffer more than we do, but it will have quite big effects on. It's bad day for Harare, though. They're trying to, to brass it out as it were. And pretend that everything is normal. Actually, this could be the beginning of a severe market dent for them in the longer run. What has been the reaction so far from China or from hallway? Well, the, the hallway is saying, so what you've got us wrong. And there's no evidence that we engage in any of the practices that you accuse us all. And the Chinese government is saying, well, we will reciprocate everything which which they've done so far in, in creating more tariffs. The Chinese of, of responded with almost exactly the same level of tariffs that the Americans have imposed upon them. So China is trying to do two things one is to indicate to America that if they wanna fight, they can have one between Decatur the rest of the world that we're not. Crazy. We're being very guarded and graduated in this and they're trying to make the Americans look like the wild that sort of the wild west gunslinger is, it's the Americans who are bullying and trying to wait around China is responding. They say with a certain amount of dignity. That's what they're trying to create. But underlying that is the case is the fact that the hallway row and it is a big row now in a sense. China's had this coming for a long time, because, you know, they have engaged in very unfair trade practices for us twenty or thirty years. They have engaged in industrial espionage through their trade that companies as well as their formal espionage organizations. And so sooner or later, it was going to come round to them with, with the world saying, look any Chinese company can be a front for your industrial level, national espionage, and don't pretend you can't. So in a way, he'll always now as it were bearing the price as a company for twenty or thirty years of Chinese policy, which has been pretty rough and ready when it comes to security. Thank you very much for your insights. That's worth a Michael Clark. It's six minutes. Past the hour. You're listening to the briefing. It has been confirmed in the past hour that the former Austrailia and prime minister Bob Hawke has died. He was eighty nine Monaco's contributing editor Andrew Miller. Looks back on his remarkable life outside Australia. Bob Hawke was perhaps, best known as an entry in online list of only industry Leah curiosities a prime minister, who wants held the world record for sinking a yard avail in around eleven seconds, while studying at Oxford in the nineteen fifties hawk himself reveled in the image that this feat encouraged that of what a stray millions call a larrikin, which is to say, one of life's likable rogues, it was by some distance, the least of his accomplishments, strenuous twenty-third prime minister was one of its greatest range. I know that we have had to take hard and unpopular decisions, the difficult times, I know I understand completely. That those decisions have been tough the many decent hard-working Australians, I all Sinai that I would not be fit to lead this country if I had chosen the easy popular way at the cost of the nation's future. Robert James Lee, hawk was born on December ninth nine hundred twenty nine in bordertown, South Australia was raised substantially in Western Australia, where he's uncool Albert Hawke served as premier during the nineteen fifties. Bob Hawke studied at the university of Western Australia, and on a road scholarship at Oxford in an early indication of the preoccupations that would govern his adult life. He wrote his thesis on wage, fixing in a stray. Leah hawk climbed to national prominence via the ustralian council of trade unions, which he joined as a research in the late nineteen fifties. He was president of the organization. Barely a decade later hawk signaled his eventual intentions by standing for federal parliament in one thousand nine hundred sixty three as a candidate for the. Labor party. But he lost a disappointment, which may have been the luckiest break he ever had as president in a country with a strong union tradition. Hawk occupied, a bully pulpit beyond the imagining of any backbencher, and many ministers, and crucially for hawk an eternal pragmatist the machinery to actually get things done. Unlike many trade union leaders in a stroller and elsewhere hawks preferred to see government and business as interlocutors rather than enemies, unlike many government leaders, he would take the same view of trades unions while prime minister Polk was elected to federal parliament in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight fifty while labor were in opposition, he had already admitted that he knew it would be an adjustment and very faces a job. I have I can, I think occasionally to take too much refuge in and drink. And I think that's. Help me on occasions of tycoon that refuge, too much. If I moved from this position into politics, impelemented, politics, I would feel, I would have to make sure that, that didn't occur which would mean I would have to entirely become a Steiner. He was clearly disinclined to waste time. He challenged for the party leadership within two years, he failed narrowly, but Labor's grandees could read opinion polls, which consistently had him. The most popular preferred prime minister in the country in February nine thousand nine hundred three incumbent believed to Bill. Hayden was elbowed aside the same day an election was cold hawk was typically forthright in defending the maneuver, Mr. could I ask you whether you feel embarrassed tonight that the blood that's on your hands? You don't improving I thought you make it better start to the year that it's a ridiculous question. You now. It's ridiculous. I have no blood on my hands. I was not involved in the discussions that Bill Haydn's fellas had within I hype, the standard of your questioning improves understandably hurt Hayden sourly suggested that such was the state of a stray is government that even a Drovers dog could win the upcoming election for labour. You can only beat the opposition, you'll given however and hawk Julie led labor to victory in March nineteen Ninety-three and again in one thousand nine hundred four nine thousand nine hundred seven and nine hundred ninety he would serve just short of nine years. It's a message based firmly unrealism the realism and substance of our policies for the future. The fact that the tough and the had two seasons we've had to make for the good of astrologer are starting to work. The fact that we are building together. Nice tion of opportunity, fairness and security and above all based on the strength of the astride in people like many western countries, Australia, undertook, dramatic free market reforms during the nineteen thousand nine hundred unlike many western countries, however, especially unlike the United Kingdom and the United States, Australia did this with a labor government, which regarded trade unions as part of the solution rather than an embodiment of the problem. The signature policy of hawks I terms, the prices and incomes accord agreed after a national economic summit of government unions and business. The unions agreed wage restraint in return for expanded social benefits other hawk initiatives included. An opening of a strategy as Konami to global competition, and deregulation of long, ossified sectors, including airlines telecoms, the singling was not entirely smooth Australia, like many countries suffer. Through a recession in the early nineteen ninety s but Australia, unlike most countries, has not endured a recession since the reforms enacted under Hawke are a substantial reason for that, when Bob Hawke's time in office ended, he could at least console himself that it was not a repudiation by a stray Leah's people in late nineteen ninety one he was overthrown in a leadership challenge by his rambunctious ambitious treasurer Paul Keating, who had long wanted the top job, and kept it until nineteen Ninety-six after winning another election, overseeing a creditable second act of a remarkable labor government. Bob Hawke's, hold on power is extremely tenuous tonight as he did his labour colleagues to dump him if that happens, it'll be the first time the party has on seated a federal leader in a caucus ballot hill was and remains appreciated and respected. But more than any other prime minister in recent Australian history. He was light hawk holds the record for the highest approval rating ever recorded by serving trillion prime minister. Stor of fully seventy five percent. He's flaws were widely understood at least before becoming prime minister he'd drunk to excess and remained a frequently errand husband, he eventually lift his much admired wife Hazel for his biographer blanche to Alba shea. But those flaws were just as widely forgiven. One of the reasons Bob Hawke was able to remake stray Leah's substantially in his own image was the destroyer saw a deal of itself in Bob Hawke, brash, bullying rugged and practical, Australian able and by the prime minister, can share in the cheapest simplest and fairest health insurance game has ever had for monocle twenty four. I'm Andrew Muller. Thank you, Andrew Andrew Muna. They're looking back on the life of the foremost to Indian prime minister, but Hawke, who has died at the age of eighty nine. You're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty form. The US military has announced that it is planning to relocate, thousands of marines worker list stationed on the Japanese island of Okinawa US, troops have been based this in the end of the second World War, but they have often had a fraught relationship with the local population. Let's get more on this with, Monaco stoke your bureau chief, you and Wilson FINA, welcome to the program. Good you I give us a bit of background. Why has the US presence on Okinawa being so controversial? Well, I mean, okay now sub-tropical prefecture island prefecture in Japan. It's the poorest prefecture in Japan. And it's always had a disproportionate burden. When it comes to the US military, you know, it's, it's less than one percent of Japanese territory, but it hosts nearly three quarters of the American bases. There are nineteen thousand marines there. An a fifth of all canal is covered with American bases. So you can understand why there's, there's a feeling of resentment, which has been growing actually, in recent years. Well, now the US military, assumed dude a-n-o-n-m-u-s the plumbing to relocate thousands of marines from that island. What do you think the US is going to do that now? Well, this has been an agreement, that's it's been going on for years, which is part of the exhaust ration- for the Okinawan people. I mean, there was a realignment agreement in two thousand six when this was already supposed to be happening. Obviously, it hasn't happened yet it was revised in two thousand twelve and I think the feeling is. There's been so much talk about the relocation of American troops. It's about time it happened. So this has always been planned, but the dates been pushed forward for four and now they're saying that it really looks like it will happen from October two thousand and twenty four and could be completed that five thousand five thousand marines will be out within eighteen months and going to Guam which presents its own problems for Guam slightly, alleviates the burden for orchestra. But there are other issues actually, and the main one is this relocation of a US marine airbase, which is extremely controversial as we have been discussing monocle, twenty four the relationship of these marines on Okinawa the relationship with the local population has been quite difficult ways that well, I think if you look at the history of it, you know, it's very unfortunate, but there have been some, some a number of crimes and a number of very high. Profile rather violent crimes, and the one that really was the catalyst for this, this relocation was in one thousand nine hundred five when three US military, they raped a twelve year old girl. And that's when the Okinawan populations had right enough is enough. And that's when they really started to talk about relocation and it's really gone on from there. I mean, the US military. They have tried to minimize their visibility. It used to be that you would go there and you'd see troops around. You don't any more. They're very much on, on base. But there's no disguising the fact the noise of the aircraft. I mean, one of the really really big problems is these bases are very close to civilian populations. And there's one particular airbase term, which is the most unpopular, which is ROY in Ginowan, which is a city. You know, I've been there and it's extraordinary when the planes are taking off and landing windows, a shaking. So that's been very, very bad news. And the relocation of the marines has been tied to the move of that base to the north of. Okay now. And that has presented a whole other load of problems because it's being moved to a, a very quiet coastal area and the Okinawans don't want their what they would like is for that airbase to be moved from Okinawa entirely. They don't want it to go to the base. The governor who was elected to Okinawa last year. One on a his ticket was opposition to the move of that base to the north of Okinawa. So there are a whole load of other problems, and it's a problem for Shinzo Arba as well, because he's committed to moving that airbase to the north of Okinawa. And the local population is objecting every step of the way well campaign against the US military presence in or Keno undoubtedly of welcomes the announcements. But is there much skepticism they're still? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean they've been told many times for that, the, you know, the, the footprint of the US military is going to be reduced anarchy now. And it hasn't happened. And I think moving the marines that will be welcomed. I think this problem with the marina base is not going to go away. Constant protests about it. It involves landfill. Environmentalists are up in arms. It's very, very unpopular. Very, very bad PR for the for the US military and this issue is not going to resolve itself. And I think Shinzo Albay has, you know, basically ignored very public protests. There was a referendum in February and over seventy percent of Okinawans voted against the, the move of the airbase. So the move of the marines is one element. But it's actually part of a bigger picture, which has certainly is far from being resolved. There are also reports that Tokyo Reuss stumping up billions of dollars to contribute to the move. How is thus likely to be? Received. Well, I think that's always been accepted. Yeah. The total cost looks like it's going to be about eight point six billion dollars to move, it move these marines over to Guam and Tokyo is paying just over three billion dollars. I think, honestly that people accept that will be the cost and the feeling is it's a price worth paying it is. Of course, it's a huge som-, but I think there's a certain amount of resentment that Donald Trump has from time to time present Japan, as, as, as, as a sort of freeloading defense partner, which I think is hugely resented. Here verse was Monaco's funeral Wilson. Thank you very much. You are listening to the briefing on monocle twenty four here is what else is making news today. A number of protesters have been badly injured in the Sudanese capital Khartoum. The army has blamed the violence on the demonstrators, but reports suggest the country's military used to live ammunition to disperse crowds. The violence is a major setback for plans to form a government, the Philippines has recalled its ambassador to Canada. It's comes to meet a row over the disposal of waste wrongly labelled as recyclable the Philippines foreign ministry has angrily claimed that Canada's Mr. deadline to retrieve rubbish, that was shipped to the country in two thousand fourteen and a sculpture of a rabbit by US capacities to Jeff Koons has sold for more than ninety million dollars. The steel cost breaks the record price for a work by a living artist which was set by the British artist. David Hockney November, the buyer was in the audience for the auction, but has not been named. This is the briefing on monocle twenty four. Today's monocle minute reports on the marketing campaign behind Switzerland's recently formed conservative Democratic Party. The group is hoping to capitalize on political instability across Europe with the tagline boring butts good. It's got us thinking about some of the best examples of political slogans. Let's get more on this with Monaco's senior Ariza, Robert bound, welcome back to the program. Rob. What do you think makes for a great political slogan was basically memorable house boring, but good, we're talking about it. So we're talking about it. We're never gonna vote in this selection of, I would also suggest that I mean far bit for me to say, but many of those Swiss centering parties done if they're good or not. But they may be boring who knows who knows what about the politic- politics of Switzerland. Some of those quite hard right as we know is quite soft. But the I guess the thing is. Is repeatability and the kind of thing that you can put on the side of a bus put on a poster that can come through come through your post books, or you see driving past in a car, and you can kind of remember, you remember the branding and you remember the slogan boring, but good is a little bit. It seems a little bit basic to me it seems a little bit. Like some of the I mean, I it's probably it's a smaller political world in Switzerland. It was in the US is in US, or as it is in the UK, but this is kind of sounds a little bit similar to some of the late seventies early eighties campaigns. It was sort of happening slightly punning slightly, self knowing an with a slightly arched eyebrow. I was just going to all the one that you're proffering towards me Markus. Exactly. I was just going to ask you. This is what if your favorite slogans, but it sounds like it's main to be in the end. What are your favorites? Well, there are some overseas some seriously some seriously. Good ones. I mean, we as I said, we, we kind of we named check think political advertising, political sloganeering changed in the UK in nine hundred seventy nine this was this was. Thatches conservative campaign that were the creative directors of which research is she led by Charles such the great wordsmith. This was labour isn't working. And this was the this was the dole queue, and this was the great pun, and people all over the world, I think the campaign is a political parties and political strategists such as they were in those days in the late seventy s looks this campaign, and particularly that putting kind of comedy, writing of that poster and kind of eight in many ways. They're all sorts of things you can do whether it's whether it's a as things like the double whammy, which is something that we often use in kind of parlance, that was invented that was and sort, she slogan. We did a labor tax thing. Labor's tax bombshell, these rule kind of conservative things. It's, it's a tough one. It's, it's memora- -bility Reagan, I think Reagan, the eighties one this was after Jimmy Carter when he was fighting Jimmy Carter presidency was all you'd better off than you were four years ago, which is a little bit. The washing powder, kind of thing it gets your wise whiter, it's not that interesting, but it goes straight fuel pocket. What do you think of the restraints that we're talking about political parties over here in politicians? Is there something they can't say when it comes to slogans? Yeah. Well, it's a funny thing. There is something changing the they are changing, but you've got to beat with a slogan. You've got to be all things to people. So you can't just go for the economy. I mean, this is this is the slogan of a campaign, you've kind of pretty much everyone's got to be centrist. Or you just attack the opposition. So you do labour isn't working or you go, you know, on the tenth of July, beware labor, or whatever it might be. So you, you, you can only do one thing when you can only do one thing with a slogan, obviously, there are different kind of subtleties of Cam of campaign opponent depending upon whether aimed, but when it comes to when it comes to their, they're often, kind of a little bit boring, and they often have a visual element, there were, there was a good labor one attacking so. Sort of Tori lies which was in two thousand and five day that the day, the Tory sums add up, and it showed a couple of political, heavy hitters on the conservative sizes, pigs with wings attached them. It was very much. A kind of he was very much an early gif jury pretty Naff. So that's, that's the way that's the kind of way of these things we, it was nice listening to Andrew Miller's what we call it. What we call Sherie of Bob Hope the great Bob Hawke when ozzy's spoke straight in nineteen ninety six Australian Democrats had Kate, the bastards honest. Right. Just funny. We've been talking about great slogans. Can you think of any that have failed miserably? Well, let's see as much as I hate to say it, I know we're not necessarily the politically disinclined on this. But the, the change you K party, this who are campaigning in the European elections, which happening next week here in the UK that brandings come in for some stick, and their slogan is for people's vote for remain, and it's a little bit. You kind of like we'll give something give us some hope give us something give us an olive branch or give us a give us, some hope gives us a ladder to clamber up on, we'll give us something rabble-rousing. And it's been very plain Jane little bit sad in a bit of a an open goal. But yeah, but some something like something a lot boring. But good is, I'm sure it's, it's doing exactly what it should be doing in Switzerland, which is kind of stirring, the stirring, the pot I suppose, more go, CEO Robert bound, the thank you very much for joining us here in the briefing. Today's program Eurovision is nearly upon us and monocle twenty four sculpture. Correspondent fed onto our check. Oh is in Tel-Aviv? So you don't have to be for. What are you up to thank you very much markers? In welcome to Tel Aviv joined now, actually, by willingly are from we, we blocks, one of the leading revision websites there is I mean, you're Eurovision king in a way. What's the vibe in Tel Aviv so far? You've been so many revisions. I've been here since may third. So it feels like one very long night. But this is not a dark night. This night has done. It's so warm, so happy, I think when you have your vision in Scandinavia, as we have in years past Copenhagen Stockholm. It's a bit cold, but here you really feel the heat. Absolutely. I woke up at six AM, and it was kind of the sun going through my window, which which is nice. I'm not complaining. What are your favorites actually so far? Always very controversial question, because I have I bet you have a few hard to pick, but I'd say. Netherlands, is my front runner. It's just a motion. So sweet a singer singing about love that's unattainable. Very simple. Staging. A white orbital light representing hope it floats away, does grab it. You'll have to wait and see. And of course, we have to mention do. I mean, I'm here talking to you the presenter, and you're telling me or actually, driving by, I think, nobody, nobody to be honest, who is, it's so funny, I went to a hotel to interview a singer, and it turns out that this singer is staying on the same floor is her. And he was asked by hotel staff to move, but he said, no, I'm keeping sweet. So she's coupon the rest of the floor. Apparently, there are one hundred thirty dancers joining her, and she's flown in her own elevator for the stage. I mean as you do if you're Madonna. Right. And of course, have to mention you being here in Tel-Aviv since deterred of my and but you also organized quite a few parties events. Tell us about the event yesterday twenty artists there. It was amazing. We had Mickey from Spain Catarina from Greece Tump from. Cyprus a lot of twenty nine hundred ax ax from the past thousand people showed up in the capacities, only nine hundred though, we had squeeze and type very much our deans and can, but it was so worth it, it's just come Roderick your vision is love and comradery and many of these stars will come to a point in the future because once you're in the family hunter you stay there. And what about, of course, we're not gonna talking into politics but you have acts like Iceland. I mean it's interesting that your vision can have someone like Iceland, and Kate Miller hike, you know, so that you can have fairytale but you can have a little bit of bone as well. Absolutely light versus dark. You have the Australian singer on a six meter polls weighing looking Elsa from frozen, and then after her you have Hatori dark doomsday beady SMP leather with strategic cutouts. They have made many controversial statements about their political beliefs, and they become a bit of a media story here in Israel, and finally, because we have to go back to out who are you betting is the favorite to win diff. The I think the Netherlands is out in front, but Sweden Russia and France or chasing. It's gonna be tight Italy. No, I love it. But the staging is a bit of a letdown. The song is wonderful. The message is wonderful. I just don't know if it's gonna translate across borders things really back to Marcus in London. Thank you very much for under that was, Monaco stretch two hours to Shakur in Tel Aviv. And for my home country, Finland the same story as always we didn't make it to the finals this year, either off for this dish in off the briefing. It was produced by Reese, James and researched by yawning fan. Neelam najar our studio manager was Kenya. Scarlets Carlotta Rabelo continues with the continental shift next. I'm back with the latest news headlines at the top of the hour. And after that, it's Andrew moola with the latest edition of the foreign desk this program, the briefing is back tomorrow at the same time as me day. London time seven AM, if you're listening in New York, I am Marcus hipping. Thanks for listening. And by now.

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The Attack on Saudi Arabia

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The Attack on Saudi Arabia

"I'm Bob Schieffer and I'm Andrew Schwartz of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and this is the truth of the matter. This is the podcast where where we break down the policy issues the days since the politicians are having their say we will excuse them with respect and bring in the experts many of them from on the CSIS people who have been working these issues for years. No spin no bombast. No finger-pointing just informed discussion. Get to the truth of the matter on this episode. We'll talk with Dr Seth Jones. Seth is the former director of the International Security and Defense Offense Policy Center at the Rand Corporation. He also served as representative for the commander. US SPECIAL OPS to the Assistant Secretary of defense for for special operations. He is now the Herald Brown chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies Dr Jones Thank you very much much for joining us. Thank you very much you put out a report in August which said that the Saudi infrastructure was increasingly eh vulnerable to an attack from Iran and it sort of happened exactly the way you said it would. What do we make of this right now. Tell us what this this is all about well. I think there's a political dimension to it first and foremost which is Iran has been backed into a corner and views itself as being backed into the corner. It's been on the receiving end of punishing sanctions by the United States. It's GDP according to IMF estimates International Monetary Fund estimates will be roughly negative five percent real GDP growth this year because of the sanctions inflation rate is up forty to fifty percent this year so as poor and there are no. There's at this point no serious political dialogue on relief of those sanctions so I think put in that position what the Iranians are doing is making noise and some of that is to get a political dialogue on relief of the sanctions part of it may also be the Iranians are assuming that if they're suffering right now that they might as well make others suffer along the way I was going to say this isn't exactly a cry for help no this this is not just a quick also going on the offense right now and so the user projectiles whether it was Iran directly or indirectly through partners or proxies this has a punishing impact. I think they wanted to send a very clear message in this case to the Saudis and the oil infrastructure in particular that they can inflict pain just like the West can on the running economy will was this aimed at us. Was this a message to us. I think it it was it was in part absolutely a message aimed at us that the Saudis are enemies of the Iranians and there has been significant competition and conflict including including in places like Yemen so this may have been partly aimed at the Saudis but it was aimed at us. I think the Iranians are smart enough to understand if they had taken a military military action either directly or indirectly at us a maritime vessels. US bases in the region we would have responded almost certainly with military force if you hit the Saudis and not us well then that's a debate. Do we respond. We let the Saudis respond. How do we respond on cyber operations. I think that's the Iranians recognized that the the way they did this and the target they they they hit the Saudis made the response for the US much more complicated but they got the message across well. It's really challenging because it's it's infrastructure. It's not people as you said and it Saudi Audie Arabia. It's not as if they attacked Israel because if they attacked Israel they'd have Israel to worry about and they'd have the United States to worry about yeah and I think if you look at the recent recent events including the journalist Kashogi the Saudis have been a subject of some controversy in the US including on Capitol Hill should we support the Saudis in the war against Yemen so the Saudis come with some debate within a Republicans and Democrats on the hill so I think in that sense how how to respond and how to be viewed as supporting the Saudis I think there certainly will be a line of response in the US the US responds directly that we are are essentially doing the work of the Saudis because it was the Saudis that were targeted that has some political overtones are we certain that this was Iran on so what we have seen in terms of evidence so far is that we know projectiles were used to target infrastructure in Saudi Arabia Ramco Ramco infrastructure including IT APP cake. What we know in the region is that if this were the WHO who have said that they did this the who these missile capabilities ladies and a drone capabilities we know including their range of good. UN reports on this are generally coming from the Iranians if the Iranians did this directly than it was likely than and will know it was the Iranians what we don't know right. Now is where these projectiles came from. How much of these were cruise missiles or drones owns. they have the capability of both directly and indirectly through the WHO the's so there. There is a lot of information that we don't know yet and it's not clear clear to what degree the Iranians were directly involved. If this was a who the attack will while we have not directly responded at least not as chat we've got a lot of people out there and a lot of military equipment out there and when I read your report I was stunned. I had I knew there's there's an aircraft carrier out. There knew that the we have some fighters and so forth tell us about this. US military force that's in this region right now well the the US has a range of forces in the region it recently agreed to send five hundred soldiers to Prince Sultan Air Base it has an air air force fighter jet squadron beef fifty. Two bomber strike group it's it had deployed about a month ago the USS Abraham Lincoln Strike Group. It's got other other assets in the region. Patriot missile batteries It's got unmanned intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance assets. It's got a number of other bases in the region with which used to fly aircraft. It's got naval stations including Bahrain the US has a lot of infrastructure in the region air ground and naval that it uses to conduct data dais. US Central Command operations one of the things your report points out is how vulnerable vulnerable the Saudis are in relation to drinking water that seventy percent is it of the water. There does not come from the ground. The Saudis relied lied to a considerable extent on on their desalinization plants for purifying water that comes from the sea so what we noted is that there were a number of facilities desalination facilities that if the Iranians were target would decimate water supplies in Saudi Arabia including into the capital Riyadh. They're very vulnerable to attack and they would have a major impact on the availability of water which would obviously have a huge humanitarian harian impact on Saudi society. Those were not hit what were hit were repairable oil and gas facilities targeting de salination plant it would have been much more catastrophic and I think would have probably raised tensions even further but it should be noted that there are electricity grids. There are desalination. Isao nation plants there are skater electrical systems that if this conflict ratchets up there are a lot more vulnerable targets in Saudi Arabia. CBS and Iran that could increase the tension. Let's go back to dinner for second. There's actually a theory that this could have been Iran's military without the knowledge knowledge of Iran's leadership to try to prevent Iran's leadership from meeting with Donald Trump. Donald Trump said he was open to meeting with Iranian leaders under the right circumstances. Do you buy that. I think that unless we find evidence that suggests that that was the case in which case there would be intelligence picked picked up of debates within the Iranian leadership that would indicate that diplomats might talk about that but when Iran operates it generally operates especially especially for such a major strike like this I think in general the supreme leader would have almost certainly had to sign off on this action. I mean this is a a major attack. If someone were to act this way in Iran without getting a sign off from the supreme leader then I I think that would be especially something that would likely put her on on the trajectory towards the war in general it would be a very costly and probably unlikely mistake that you're that someone in Iran would make without the awareness of the supreme leader despite where people see on TV we don't have cameras on all corners of the Earth so we don't I know exactly where these missiles came from exactly what they are but we do there has been some reporting based on satellite imagery that shows that there were some pretty precise hits and there were some very similar hits on targets that show very precise bearing down into the infrastructure so that suggests long range missiles missiles not drones from WHO's in Yemen as was originally reported so we think with some evidence that this had to have been cruise missiles yes or at least that there were cruise. Missiles were a likely component of the targeting. There've been a number of reports that there were mixture of projectiles used to target infrastructure sure the cruise missiles would give you a lot more precision in those targets you know when I was working fulltime at CBS News we had a `executive producer was later became the president of the CBS Corporation Howard Stringer and Howard when he was producing the evening news insisted that every a story include what we came to call the stringer paragraph and that is telling our viewers why this is important to you. Why is this important to America well. I think it's important for a couple of reasons at least to put in context one is the tensions between the United States and Iran on have certainly ratcheted up in the most recent national defense strategy the trump administration highlights its main global global and regional competitors as the Chinese the Russians the Iranians in the North Korean so the Iranians have been identified as a major competitor of the United States so I think what this does this this ratchets up the tensions increases the possibility either of outright war or at least an escalation listen to the current conflict right now and so that has implications on warfare it's got implications on global oil including the price of oil so I think for a range of reasons this should matter to Americans if the US gets into war with Iran Iran has the capabilities to conduct assassinations assignations in other areas of the Middle East people should remember the nineteen eighties the US including US Marines were on the receiving end of Iranian linked Hezbollah law in Lebanon the Iranians of targeted Israeli and Jewish locations including in Latin America and it was not that long ago that the US publicly revealed in Iran and linked assassination against the Saudi ambassador in Washington at Cafe Milano of all places. That's the street so so I think this does have implications for the US including economic ones as well. You know Bob and I don't go to Cafe Milano unless we're invited to a thing it's not like our the hang out. I used to go to cafe Milano until the assassination plot and then I decided save more low profile to go in line with the stringer paragraph you mentioned the world's oil supply this incidents cut global oil supplies by about five percent so far and it knocked out. Saudis capability ability of about more than fifty percent which is five and a half million barrels of daily crude a day. They produce about eleven million barrels of crude today. How long is it going to take take them to get back online and for Americans. We're going to have some higher oil prices but what does it really mean for the rest of the world as well. It's not entirely clear how quickly the the Saudis are going to be able to get everything up and running. I mean my understanding is the damage has been somewhat limited meaning. It may take days and and weeks rather than months to get much of of the oil now pumping through various components of facilities like ABC cake for broader global implications you know what it may also mean including for countries like the United States is to increasingly focus on its own own sources of will whether it's directly in the US or with neighboring Canada rather than having to rely on an area of the Middle East which has been prone prone to severe conflict so what it may do is countries may look to the Russians for sources because they've got capabilities along these lines areas other than the Middle East along these same lines. The United States has to be thinking about its options. What do we do. The King of Saudi Arabia is an ally of sorts and the Saudi Arabians have just been attacked trump initially said that the United States is locked and loaded depending on what we hear from the Kingdom and he's he's continued to say he's hedged his bets back and forth and he's saying you know Kinda depends on what the kingdom tells us they WanNa do. That's an interesting formulation for United States president than to say it depends on what the Saudi Arabia Kingdom tells us they wanna do but what are really the United States options here towards Iran in this case well. There are a couple one is there would be a direct. US response and that would mean the attack is against Saudi infrastructure but the US response and I may do it with Saudi Arabia could do it by itself. The US has a lot of options in that sense. It's got direct military responses. We we know no. There were options on the table. The president said so he called one in particular off it would have involved among other things air strikes against surface to air missile locations nations on Iranian territory the US has also conducted offensive cyber operations including recently against Iran so there are those kinds of options the US has also taken down Iranian aircraft including drones in and around the region so there are various types of direct responses that the US could take it it could also operate with or largely through partners in the region so we could see a response where the US provides intelligence due to the Saudis and the Saudis conduct a response a attack against Iranian infrastructure in Yemen for example. The Iranians have intelligence since operated a operatives in Yemen so there are ways that the that the Saudis could respond. I think what the US has to be careful about though is that the US was not attacked directly early in this case it was a partner and so does it make sense for the US to respond directly if Iran attacked the Saudis I think I think that's one of the major questions right. Now I noticed in in your report you you talked about how it was important for us not to say that we're for regime change. Why is that I think the issue at the core of this I mean it's easy I think to get sucked into the a back and forth day to day tension between Iran and the United States in Iran and in Saudi Arabia but at the core of this is a much bigger political issue the US is concerned about a nuclear program its concern about the Iranian missile program and the activities of the JC could force there was a political process in place that had led to a nuclear deal under President Obama that the trump administration backed away from and walked out of European opean countries still are committed to this as are the Russians and the Chinese so there is a broader political road the US could take to negotiate with the Iranians on a range of these issues that concern the US. Was this because of our withdrawing from that agreement. I wouldn't say it was necessarily just because of the US withdrawing I think it was at least partly a US decision to withdraw from the nuclear deal will an increase in the sanctions so that's a separate issue although they are linked and no political dialogue right now so I think if you're looking at the situation relation from Toronto standpoint. It has very few alternatives. Its economy has been decimated right now. There's no political dialogue. There's no hope there's no light light at the end of this tunnel and I think that's why this issue is a big front and center and I think the likelihood of the US is going to get regime change in Iran. Iran is is close to zero so this is why I think the US needs to needs to make it very clear. This is not about regime change per se. This is about what the Administration Ernest rations largely said missiles could force activities in the region and nuclear program would another option for the United States to be to gather the world around this incident and say we need to do something to a stop Iran from these kinds of activities and B. Bring them back into some form of dialogue so going forward. We're all talking instead of having this kind of activity yeah I think at the very least having the countries involved in the nuclear deal the major European powers the Russians the Chinese and the Americans involved in discussions with Iran on these issues would be a good place to start. I mean it's worth noting that there's been a lot of tension building. We identified between in July Two Thousand Sixteen and July Twenty nineteen two hundred fifty attacks mostly coming from the WHO these in Yemen against Saudi critical infrastructure structure including roster Noura including the facilities at ABC cake itself so this is not coming out of nowhere. This is just much larger than what we've seen in the past and I think this stuff will continue if there is not some progress on the political end meanwhile today. Iran supreme leader said that no Arabian official at any level will have any dialogue with any US official unless they come back to the nuclear deal so we're back to square. We're one here and it seems like we're at a standoff. Why think we are at a standoff. I think the question is can the US restart negotiations that at least includes includes the nuclear deal and even if the US make some changes to the nuclear deal the US may want to add additional elements to that the missile program. Damn that Iran has and has just shown what it can do the Islamic Revolutionary Guards that the paramilitary arm of Iran that trains range age of the terrorists and militia groups in the region so I think at least coming back to the nuclear deal letting the US add other elements to discussions is is the way forward here. Where do you see this going right now. I think the question is how serious is the US about negotiating right now and does the US WANNA. Go back to something that looks like the nuclear deal that the US walked out of last year the US may be in a position with the National National Security Adviser John Bolton departing last week bobby among the most hawkish elements of the administration. There may be now some more room to negotiate. I it's probably something that he was not supportive of general. Do you think the Iranians timing had anything to do with Bolton leaving unclear right now I mean there are plenty of other hawks in the administration on Iran probably not actually I think they've had this capability. As I said earlier earlier there have been over two hundred fifty strikes against Saudi facilities in the past so this has been going on for some time. So what will you be looking for. I mean what do you think we we oughta have our ears open to and well. I think the first thing is more information particularly as the US and the Saudis and potentially other partners owners including the British make intelligence public who conducted the attacks. What were the projectiles were used. Were they cruise missiles. Where were they shot from. So that's one is to get a better sense of this in the second is how does the. US respond as do it directly. Does it do it what we would call a proportional response somewhat like what was just hit or does the US escalate the US conducts attacks against Iranian running infrastructure in Iran that is almost certainly escalation because now it's the US going directly against the Iranians or does the US let the Saudis respond because they were the ones targeted so those are the two most significant things that I would look at near-term. The third issue is do we see at least the public discussions about a restart of negotiations with Iran and I think that would get us out of this. Tit for tat environment were in and actually put put us on a path towards potentially resolving this. Do you think we have a cohesive set policies in place in the United States right now towards around no so in the sense that the US has communicated a range of steps in the Secretary of state has done this and the president's key Ron Person has done this in the State Department Brian Hook Unhook they have communicated a range of steps. I think a number of those steps the Iranians will never budge on so. I think the question is can the US U. S. A. Communicate a list of steps that Iran actually may be willing to negotiate on and second can the US get its major major partners and allies involved in that and this has been one of the biggest problems with the US approach is its major allies in Europe are not on board with where the US us is so the US is operating largely on its own right now and I think that is probably the single biggest challenge Dr Jones. 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