20 Episode results for "University Of Tennessee"
"Hi, I'm Colleen your host of the good news podcasts. And I'm Neil. The other host. The good news podcast is your source for good news, fun stories auditory, delight and sonic. Joy. We're bringing all of this goodness. To you from the cards against humanity studios in Chicago. Today, we travel to Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, trigger Chattanooga, Nashville, Tennessee that classic Tennessee. I just made that up guys. But if you liked it give us a shout on the old hotline. Yeah. Give us a shout on the hotline. Tennessee is doing something cool call in what are they doing? They are offering tuition to the university of Tennessee for free to lower income students. Hot damn. So if your household income is lower than fifty thousand dollars reach out, and you live in Tennessee reach app to the university of Tennessee and see about getting an education gratis says seem this seems to me like the ultimate case have paying it forward. Yeah. You let let's invest in our young people give them the education. Let's not saddle them with student loan debt. As many of them are. Yeah. Myself included. It's a major issue. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to be. It's hard to go to school. It's hard to have debt. It's hard to then that you know, what really boils. My blood is people go to school. They have student loan debt, and then that debt then influ. What they go into. Then maybe they can't follow a passion because they're just like, well, that's not going to cover. My student loan Bill when I get out of school. This is this is trouble. So university of Tennessee is tackling. That problem nipping it in the bud. It reminds me I don't know if you remember, but we did a story about the NYU tackles NYU medical school, which for which gave free tuition to med students because they wanted more students to get into general practitioner right to be like a small town, doctor regular doctor instead of going into these crazy specialties because they had this huge loan debt. So yeah, I mean, it's like it's like about making smart decisions up front and helping kids get it done. I like the idea call in that you are framing this as an investment in the future you've got to. And you know, I bet people that go to who are from Tennessee, go to the university of Tennessee. Yeah. I bet there. Gonna stay in Tennessee. Yeah. Why not right? They're going to they're going to grow that state. This is a state that has done me. Right. So I'm going to stick around a free. College education is worth a million dollars million trillion dollars education is priceless. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news incredible? Or maybe wanna tell us a joke idea. Excellent Email us at Hello at the good news, podcasts dot F M or leave us a voicemail. Seven three two one seven zero one five six you can also tweet us at the good news pod and follow us on Instagram too. And if you love the good news podcasts think about supporting us on our patriot page. Most of our music is by putting bear.
Cattle Current PodcastMarch 29, 2021
"Cattle futures closed higher week to week on friday agricultural economist. Andrew p griffith expects choice box beef cutout value to test the two hundred and fifty dollar level this spring about twelve dollars more than word ended last week coming up on your kelkar market update with west. How all this is where ishmael with an expanded edition of your current market update for the late weekend and monday morning. The twenty ninth of march negotiated cash cal. Trade was the standstill in the southern plains. Through friday afternoon elsewhere it was limited online demand with too few transactions to trend according to the agricultural marketing service for the week why prices were one to two dollars higher at one hundred fifteen dollars one hundred weight and the southern plains and at one sixteen and the northern plains dress trade was two to three dollars higher in nebraska that one hundred eighty five dollars. Trade had yet to be established in the western core built according to a ms but various reports suggested trade in the region at as much as three dollars higher than the previous week cattle futures continued edge higher friday buoyed by the week stronger cash prices and wholesale beef values live cattle futures close in average of thirty six cents higher on friday except for twenty cents lower in the back contract week to week on friday. They closed an average of two dollars and eight cents higher from seventy five cents higher at the back to three dollars and ten cents higher in his weekly market comments and pe- griffith agricultural economist at the university of tennessee note. The slight progression and fit cattle. Prices provides optimism for further price improvement through april manda. May he adds that. The market continues to trade at a large discount. April live cattle future. That cash prices for finish cattle have the ability to push above the hundred and twenty dollars price level. Meanwhile wholesale beef prices are making seasonal stri tire choice. Box beef value of seven dollars and sixty seven cents higher week to week on friday at two hundred and thirty dollars and sixty six cents one hundred weight select with some dollars in six higher at two twenty seven seventy seven. Plus optimism continues to grow for the steady pace of kobe. Nineteen vaccinations to continue burning backs. Some normalcy to markets in everyday life there is considerable optimism for fed cattle markets. Going forward beginning in the second quarter and especially in the second half of the year says daryl appeal extension livestock marketing specialist at oklahoma state university in his weekly market comment. He lots of been somewhat front loaded so far in twenty twenty one which contributed to the sluggish fit cattle markets. In the first quarter of the year. Buddy says feedlots. Supply should tighten the second half of the year futures optimism and the fast approaching grassi's and help chasm fear cattle trade from steady to mainly higher last week based on the weekly auctions monitored by calcutta according to griffith catherine fear cattle prices are attempting to push our as grasp for heats up and as many feeder cattle futures contracts tested contract highs. During the week he points out. Fear cava futures are offering positive hidden opportunities for cattle be marketed between august and november feeder. Cattle futures closed an average of thirty nine cents higher on friday week to week. They closed an average of three dollars and eighteen. Cents higher from sixty cents higher at the back to five dollars and seventy cents higher in spot april. The cme feeder cattle index was two dollars and seventy cents higher week on thursday at one. Thirty six seventy five consolidating to lower corn futures. Prices added optimism. Cattle market corn futures closed an average of four point six cents lower through the front six contracts week to week on friday. December corn is approaching a key support level of four dollars and sixty cents a bushel. If prices fall below four sixty the next level of support will be four dollars and forty cents says aaron smith crops marketing specialist at the university of tennessee in his weekly market comment smith adds that the perspective plannings report due to be published by. Usda march thirty first could provide a major push up or down for corn prices depending on estimate major us financial indices closed sharply higher friday with a late session surge tied to the federal reserve announcement that banks meeting stress. Criteria can return to normal levels of dividend disbursement and share repurchases. At the end of june data ability had been limited since the beginning of the pandemic investors were likely also encouraged by the latest data from the us bureau of economic analysis suggesting tame inflation. It showed the personal consumption expenditures price index excluding food and energy prices increased just zero point one percent month to month in february and just one point four percent year over year. The dow jones industrial average closed four hundred fifty three points higher and p five hundred closed. Sixty five points higher and the nasdaq was a one hundred and sixty one points now. More be price perspective for andrew griffith. Not so many years ago he points out two hundred dollars. One hundred weight was the primary resistance. Point for weekly choice box. Beef cut out values but now that number appears to be the primary support point as the value has remained above two hundred dollars since october of two thousand seventeen by way of illustration griffith looked at data back through two thousand and four choice box. Beef kit out. Values exceeded two hundred dollars for the first time in may of two thousand thirteen between them in october. Two thousand seventeen. The price fluctuated to either side of two hundred dollars. Choice box beef. Prices have been strong for the first quarter of this year and they are only expected to get stronger in the second quarter as grilling season hits. Full stride griffiths says he add that. Many consumers have apple disposable income because they haven't been travelling the they can spend some of that money on their eating experience. There's no reason to attempt to predict how high box beef prices will go this spring. But he says they're likely to test the two hundred and fifty dollar mark your calendar more update for the late weekend and monday morning. Twenty nine th of march. This is west ishmael. Thanks for listening
58. Case Report: Constrictive Pericarditis University of Tennessee
"Worldwide cardiovascular disease affects the lives of hundreds of millions dedicated cardio nerds everywhere are working hard to fight this global epidemic. These are their stories. Welcome back Carter exhibits. Dan. Thanks for joining us as we tour fellowship programs across the country as part of a Cardi nerds. Series produced in collaboration with the American College of Cardiology fellows in training section, each episode will feature a cardiology fellowship program fellows from that program will present and teach about a fascinating case and share what makes their hearts flutter about their program. Each case discussion is followed by an e CPR segment from a content expert and a message from the program director. Before we dive in, just remember who we are an independent educational platform. This podcast is not meant to be used for medical advice the views expressed you're doing. To reflect the opinions or policies of employers, the case you're about to hear is one hundred. Percent Hippo compliant we thank you for subscribing to and supporting the cartoon hurts our mission is simple to democratize cardiovascular education, promote diversity and inclusion empower everyone to learn and teach from the basics to the advanced while fostering wellness and humanity. If you believe in the mission consider supporting us on. Patriot. Dot Com. Forward. Slash. Carter. NERDS every little bit goes a long way. We're also excited to grow the platform by mentoring the next generation of Cardi nerds. We are establishing the cardiologists academy and are looking for residents and fellows to join as Cardi innards fellows. Please see the Lincoln the episode description to submit an application, and now without further ado, let's continue on our tour with another fascinating case from Amazing Cardi nerds colleagues. Are offered to be joined by fellow from the University of Tennessee here with us our dockers William, Black Emanuelle Isaac and Rachel Goodwin Size. Welcome to the show. Would you mind introducing yourselves? Hey Cardio nerds I'm Rachel Goodwin first-year year cardiology fellow here at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, went to medical school at Lincoln. Memorial did my internal medicine residency at the University of Kentucky and I'm from Nashville Tennessee originally. nerds my name is Emmanuel. East. Saying I'm one of the second year cardiology fellows here on University of Tennessee Rasouli born in Nigeria but have resided in Atlanta Georgia in Knoxville Tennessee for most of my life I went to Ross University, and then completed my internal medicine residency here actually liked it so much that I decided to stick around for fellowship. Hey Cardio. NERD. My Name is William Black. I'm a third year fellow here at ut and the chief cardiology fellow I'm from Birmingham Alabama originally, I went to medical school at the University of South Alabama and then back to Birmingham pre internal medicine residency had Brookwood Baptist, and now here at ut for cardiology fellowship I'm Dan thank you so much for having us. We're really looking forward to this. We've been checking in on the previous episodes of the case report so far and they've been fantastic we really learned. A Lot thank you so much William Amanullah? Rachel. This is music to our years and hearing from you guys meeting you guys has been already a pleasure and we are so excited to dive into a case. I have two things before we get started. One is do people do this could be really annoying question but colleague do the heart sounds like fourth starts on individuals touchy or do people do that they're paying they definitely do that there's the and Kentucky lived in both places and it's a thing. I was GONNA ask Rachel. She's living in Kentucky and Tennessee if she's the particularly good at listening for Gallup's. Perky Kentucky Tennessee. And and do people do it with pride or is it like here we go again and now it's a complete source of confusion for anyone learning murmurs. Limit. Okay. Secondly, I'm closing my eyes I have not been to Knoxville I'm using Google maps a little bit Scott situation but bring the in. I'm so ashamed that I haven't been there and I WANNA come and we'll get there eventually but take us on a journey on a magic carpet ride through. So Tennessee Landau set your favorite place the child could be a high could be restaurant could be anything and discuss the case they're. The best place to start outside Knoxville's in the smoky mountains you really can't beat really taken the day high and really being in the mountains and being next to the river and really just taking a nature. It's just so beautiful up there have in that. So close away from Knoxville and then coming back and then chillan in market square onto a few restaurants and maybe catch a movie is a great day I. Agree with that completely, I may. Add. We could stop on our way to the mountains at the lonesome dove and get some him loves chocolate cake, which was the desert that he used to win the iron chef. So it's fantastic and on the Dan when you guys make it the Knoxville highly recommend it. It's definitely worth the trip but yeah, I agree. With Rachel you can't beat the scenery of the smokey mountain national parks just under an hour away from the heart of downtown. KNOXVILLE. So lots of great hiking and outdoor activities there. It's always a favorite spot. Why don't we go get some topic Mona lives forever in the hips but I'm sure it sounds like it'll be totally worth it and we could chat about our discussion there. Maybe move on later for some hiking sweat off. All right let's start off with our case. So there's no shortage of interesting patients here in East Tennessee this was no exception we have A. Thirty nine year old male who was referred dark cardiology clinic for a violation of recurrent aside Dima he was diagnosed with I j nephrops Athena's early twenties eventually went on to develop in stage renal disease. Fortunately, he received a deceased donor kidney transplant several years later and did quite well after the transplant until he began to have these issues about eight to nine months ago with swelling, and eventually some abdominal swelling as well and suicide he's Trying to clear my mind. So we have our patient who's having worsening lower extremity swelling for several months now, and now that is progressive. The point that he's also having abdominal distension sites as well. The differential is quite broad and it's such a common complaint but anytime, I'm seeing somebody in general cardiology office or clinic swelling in a domino distension I. always worry about heart failure. Would I'm sure that you have more history for us and probably physical exam? Absolutely. So he said he I noticed the swelling in his ankles around eight to ten months ago at first. He didn't really think too much of it because he had dealt with some mild swelling in the past it was annoying but he could control it fairly well with diabetics. But since then it's just continue to worsen to the point where he's gone up on his diuretics and still swelling he started getting concerned when he noticed that abdominal distension especially, the swelling in his legs was so bad. He had weeping shrimp wounds and eventually develop cellulitis that had to be treated with antibiotics when his craton started creeping up, he was concerned that his kidney transplant may be was. Failing I think I'd be concerned as well about my kidneys and get scenario. It sounds like he's been doing well for almost a decade now, and then all of a sudden he just starts having oddest swelling sounds pretty crazy. Now, his name is also climbing what interesting was going on with him keeping my internal medicine hat. We love on the show to say Hashtag, medicine I because we try to keep a broader differential first I all you guys are just tastic jumping into that differential diagnosis away off the bat, which makes medicines so much fun I shouldn't say. Fine because we're dealing with patients but I, it could bring joy out of medicine when you have a problem and you develop at the frontal quickly right off the bat, and then you're sinking your teeth in trying to take patients history physical, really tease out exactly the ideology looking at a patient who is coming in with a diva. We think about neurosis cirrhosis and Cardio says our big three contributing organs can contribute to a diva as repealing the case and I'm going like I'm trying to balance it all together. Obviously, you've got referred to cardiology, but he presented from. And then we also have now renal failure. So sometimes, these cases can be very challenging in that all three can contribute to the Dima or one is the primary. So I'm really looking forward to the future data more history potentially labs to tease out, which is the primary insult here, and then we'll sink our teeth or therapies into that particular organ. Hopefully, make a difference for this patient. Yeah I am too many. Think he just said everything I'm quite interested to see what else is going on especially with his worsening renal function is that such a? Great Point even though we are cardiology fellows and budding cardiologists, we are still internist at heart and board certified internal medicine doctors, and it seems a lot of times when dealing with the heart people very concerned and sometimes they focus in on the primary cardiac complaints and don't always think about the whole picture. So a lot of times we may be seeing someone who's now been appropriately worked for diagnosed and it's not uncommon that the cardiologists service makes diagnoses they're outside the realm of cardiology. So it is important to sometimes get back to your internal medicine. Roots and look at the big picture and think about all of the data that you have available to you. William. I couldn't agree more analysis told my interns that look everyone cardiovascular disease is the most common cause of mobility immortality worldwide, and so everyone has cardiovascular disease and by virtue of that, we see patients with every other disease and so the overlap there is important in all the time have a patient who was consulted for one reason that you end up being a person diagnosed something else such import point. So Rachel, What happened next they? Were quite concerned about his kidney function especially with his Craton and rising and given the picture with his at the transplant service was thinking he looked like maybe have had renal syndrome. In fact, even had a liver biopsy performed and was sent see hepatic Aji for further workup and was worried he might need kidney transplant or maybe even a liver transplant. Thankfully, biopsy of the liver showed relative preservation of the hypnotic architecture and no fibrosis and the hepatic was concerned about a potential cardiac ideology of symptoms said, that's how he ended up in our office. All the things he went through to come to cardiology the end. Up, about his medical history, he has a history of the renal failure due to I J frothy status posts kidney transplants on chronic immunosuppression. He's had recurrent bouts of lurks Germany cellulitis as well as complication of cryptococcal meningitis in the past and severe malnutrition with muscle wasting at past surgical history, he had a colleague the recent liver biopsy in than his renal transplant medications include zone seven point, five milligrams daily fluconazole four, hundred milligrams daily cyclosporin seventy, five milligrams twice daily bureau semi forty milligrams twice daily and sodium bicarbonate thirteen hundred milligrams, three times a day as as his family history, his father's deceased has a history of m. i. And hypertension and alcoholism his mother who's alive had the OPD from tobacco Saniez, two siblings with hypertension and also alcohol use as far as social history. He's never used tobacco never used alcohol and never used recreational drugs and he's works as technical support. Quite thank you so much for going over that Rachel and when you think about the patient, there's so much going on in so much in the history, but you think about what is in the foreground of what's in the background in the foreground we have patients coming in with low seventy Dima societies and thinking, okay. What are the causes has Dan pointed out? We think Asus but with his Past medical history, add another layer to that differential diagnosis for third spacing and that's kwashiorkor right? Because essentially the reason you have Dima in nephrotic syndrome or encierro says because he have low albumin pressure, which is a little bit different from why you have Dima in heart failure, which is elevated hydro static pressure malnutrition with low production consumption of proteins that can give you a similar picture with he's deny and so I think the physical exam will be useful to see if they're actually evidence of elevated filling pressures or hydro static issue or in the to see if there's an issue with the academic pressure, low protein and. The going back to also the other things in the background are that this isn't your typical patient, the suppression, the kidney transplant in the past, these things really broaden the different things that can be going on in terms of predispositions to infectious ideologies, and I'm not sure how to add that into the patient's history right now but it may become relevant later on, and then if this is cardio sus or heart failure risk factor for coordinators at least maybe a family history of CAD. But at least we know the patient is not a smoker and doesn't have other past medical risk factors like diabetes hypertension or hyper liberty that we've diagnosed. So this. Is Really Helpful. Thanks for giving us such a rich past medical history, Rachel. Thank you. This is absolutely tastic, and again we're seeing our teeth into this case as we in other side I've had a patient who basically had no initial comber abilities but several years back also developed Aegean property and we think of idea to frothy is sometimes suffers off and pets. We could treat it ultimately patients requiring renal transplant and think of that as a distinct clinical entity that we can take care back. But for some patients, this JANA frothy sets off a domino effect of so many health problems down the road that relate to renal dysfunction you. Have a patient that came with primary renal failure Jana from the ultimately become immune suppressed because of transplant and potentially patients renal failure developing a higher risk for coronary arteries and calcification everywhere stenosis valve dysfunction in just reflect sometimes patients ideology could tie down to one being historically and could be healthy. Otherwise, it really developed a host of other risk factors for so many other disease entities. So I'm really glad we went through this deep dive into this patient's history Rachel give a really good and thorough history I'm sure did a pretty good physical examine him also right now me in general he's ill appearing custom temporal muscle wasting his Clara's anecdote. Eric on his neck veins, his Jd was to the angle of his jaw even sitting upright lungs were cleared early heart was regular rate rhythm without murmurs sped. He did have a palpable heave over his left chest as abdomen was distended with the positive fluid wave and normal bowel sounds and his extremities had to plus bilateral lotion with chronic venous stasis changes. His vitals were blood pressure one, thirty, eight over ninety, eight, heart, Ninety, eight, Respiratory Rate Twelve and temperature ninety eight point five degrees, Fahrenheit racial talked about a few things than differential for a site has your exam help you better understand his picture I think with the. Chronicler Shamanee Dima, you know the JD is what really sets it apart seeing JD upright position to the level of his job really made me suspicious for heart failure. Yeah. I'm definitely right there with you I'm getting more and more concerned about what the heart is doing in this context. Thank you. Yeah. Just to be deliberate about that. Gary said Cardio System I is said Cirrhosis surely not the right order but was the roses we expect it's blood flow or plasma leaking out in third spacing, and often the fans could flat even and basically this is really steering us away from that or at least showing is the there's a contribution in versus. League albumin you have low pressure certainly, renal failure could give you a lot of hydro static pressures as well if you're not able to get rid of fluid in the normal way, but usually you're going to also have some underlying cardiac cause to not accommodate for that extra fluids really pointing us towards the heart of the matter. I think the labs hair in the next series of diagnostics really helpful because say the patient have psoriasis there is a link of cardiomyopathy related sources and there's definitely a Puerto Pulmonary hypertension that can you elevated Wti, and so I, think we just need more information but I am definitely more concerned about the heart at this point but to get lapsed to help guide US further we did. So his sodium was one forty. Four point four, chloride one, six by car twenty, five, UN. Seventy-seven Creatine Three Point One one glucose one of five, his Espn Lt were twenty, five and fifteen respectively t billy was one point six albumin of three point five with a total protein of eight point eight and he had a normal and are one point two, three hemoglobin of nine point one platelets of one, sixty four and he had a pro Natura peptide elevated four fourteen Rachel does labs I think help us a lot here as you guys have mentioned, the differential is quite broad the BNP being up nonspecific but point you towards the diagnosis, a part failure but more specifically the fact that albumen is not too bad as our normal. Liver enzymes or normal all of that together for me at least points me away from a primary liver problem. It makes me more concerned at this point about his heart. Yeah I agree William we don't have the urinalysis urine protein craton ratio, but with A. Three point five is just unlikely that there's a underlying severe nephrotic syndrome to be causing the swelling as well. So this is really helpful in trying to focus in to the heart of the problem and usually expect to see some degree of drums side opinion while if the livers dysfunctional again, we're not really getting that liver picture here as much is being expected. So I, have again, heart of the matter guys are there. In addition to labs, we got an ekg and chest x Ray EKG showed Sonesta Cardia with the normal access rate of one nineteen and nonspecific st changes. He had a chest x ray that was also fairly unremarkable, no pulmonary Dima or pleural effusions with all the exams that you've given and also would is history to one thing. I really haven't heard his any shortness of breath or any type of Disney Rachel have any not really he had a little bit of this Nia but that really wasn't his main complaint. We also asked about Ortho NIA or. PROXIMAL NOCTURNAL SNIA but he wasn't having any of that either religious abdominal distension with a Siamese, and then the recurrent lower Shembe Edina rates were most of the symptoms appear to be right sided heart failure symptoms into typically the most common causes from her heart failure. But aside from, let's let heart failure the causes can be broad including any type of lung pathology pulmonary disease that can be causing this moving downwards to right sided valvular issues or any type of right ventricular hypertrophy and always the dreaded constriction versus restrictions that can be causing some of his symptoms. Manual I love how you broke down your approach to isolated ted affiliate without left cited failure and you included essentially you pulmonary hypertension, which is pre capillary pulmonary hypertension, and all of the right sided diseases that we can think about like rights valvular disease isolated RV muscle disease RV. RB. ISCHEMIA as well as an I agree, the dreaded constriction versus restriction paradigm which presents Domino's right sided sometimes rather than left sided sometimes but hopefully, we can demystify some of that going forward. Yet guy this is a fantastic opportunity and our caveat here is that we do know that some patients do have left sided heart failure that drives right there harshly. But the left side has symptoms are less predominant owing to the different loaf attic systems in the lawns that can take care of some of the extra third spacing fluids in the lungs that you don't have necessarily in the periphery while our antenna are definitely up for right side it's things especially. Going, back from potentially homeowner hypertension, Bomani valve disease, disease RV dysfunction primarily rbis sunshine or a constriction pattern of Bisley really again, that's where the break is isolate the right side. We could also have a potentially less sided driven process. So again, I am so freaking hungry to see this echo shows because it's going to open up a whole new path it could potentially blow this case open. So really excited to hear about that Echo I, agree completely believe it. or not he had never had an echo despite eight to nine months of Lurk shamny swelling seems every day we have echoes ordered for toe pain or diabetes but you have this guy who's got all kinds of swelling for the better part of a year and hasn't had an echo yet the naturally we sent him for an Echo. I agree completely Rachel the fact that he hadn't had an echo yet is a little bit baffling but we can certainly help. Out with that manual, I like the way you think about the diagnosis of predominantly right sided heart failure there you mentioned primary pulmonary causes such a pulmonary hypertension rhythmic intrigue Cardi mop the Primary Bachelor disease all of which can be answered for the most part with an echo. So Rachel, Tell me a little bit about what the Echo looked like had an echo performed that showed that his LV F was normal fifty five to sixty percents moderate education with our. Forty seven the mild range, and then also noted to have abnormally motion, sickness, tive constrictive physiology and the pair cardiac Jason to the RV Free Wall was highly academic suggestive of possible if you sit pericarditis. are really beautiful I can really see actually the bulk of the ventricular. Septum guys listening right now kimberly see the images, but they'll be included the notes. If you WANNA take a look surely it could be possible constrictive pericarditis overall I may want to get the gold standard with a cardiac catheterization. One thing I didn't mention is he did have a very small pair cardio fusion but didn't have any ra or RV. To suggest nod and clearly have any physical exam findings suggest Tampa on he did have some respiratory variation in his track us but inflow velocities, but he was in Asia during the echo. So it's hard to know what to make of that. You're that's an excellent point Rachel when fortunately atrial fibrillation is quite common with patients with constrictive in restrictive cardiomyopathy. So it can be a little bit more difficult to interpret their echo findings. The variation of our intervals with atrial fibrillation make it a little bit more challenging to interpret the try cuts, but in mitral inflow velocities but it sounds like his ECO fits with the overall picture even though it is suggestive invasive Hema dynamic assessment is still the gold standard as a budding interventional cardiologists. Myers did perk up a little bit when Manual Mitch Decaf even if it is primarily a right heart can. Relax, we did measure simultaneous LV pressures. Real quick. You guys want to talk about the cardinal like echo findings of constriction. The way that I think about one of the things that it's so cool about constrict pair if it can be cool is the physiology and I think to really understand it you have to understand cardiac disease allergy. Normally with inspiration you're gonNA have a drop in your graphic pressures and typically does pressure changes are transferred fairly well to the cardiac chambers as well. What happens with constriction is you have this really stiff and noncompliant pericardial sac that serves to. Insulate the heart from those normal changes. So essentially, what happens is with inspiration, the pulmonary pressures are going to drop and consequently the pulmonary vein pressures but that's stiff. Pair Cardio insulates the LV and the our visa. Pressure changes and the pressure stays relatively constant. So what happens is the driving pressure between what we measure in the Cath lab? The pulmonary capillary wedge pressure in the LV EDP is going to vary with respiration does essentially, which is that with inspiration you see a decrease in your left ventricular filling in an increase in your right ventricular filling and you mentioned the Boeing of the Septum that we see on the echo and that's indicative of the increased RV filling and then. You have the exact opposite with expiration where you have increased left ventricular filling in the Septum bows back into the RV. That's how I think about it and it transpires into the inflow posses where when you inspire, you will have to higher velocities in a husband inflow and lower in the module influence vice versa when you expired and you will have the higher velocities in mitral inflows in lower in the tricuspid inflow. Kinda gives that respiratory rate variation that you typically see. Guys I have very similar properties as you do William and the only thing I add just to my description when I'm talking to the Resin, is that when you inspire basically normally the heart drake's that's basically how I think about it just like when I dropped my diaphragm, Eric comes into my So to blood comes into my threats as well and so normally both the will fill and they are not. Competing against each other because the RV accommodate all that fluid by bowing out into the per Kardashian which is supposed to be soft and accommodating, and so the RV drinks and the album drink can it's a tug of war but when you have this heart locked in this cage, a steel cage if you WanNa think about it or just a really calcified gauge, for example, where the heart is as you said, totally. From, the changes in pressure, the pulmonary vessels are actually outside the park party of and so they are not subjected that and I've seen in the SEC are also outside data cage. They is lear feeling this negative pressure and trying to bring in fluid and has that RV fills up and it doesn't have that free wall to bow out and accommodate all that extra fluid. It actually shoves the Septum over into the LV and causes the LV to suffer while the RV is taking advantage of this increase. Flow and so you end up having discordance between the Kartik outgoing out of the RV in the Karnik outgoing out of the LV when normally it's supposed to equal each other and so that's what ends up giving you this shift in inflow velocity through the tricuspid valve, which again is the fluid coming through the tricuspid valve is going to be different during inspiration than during expiration when there is shift back now now the LV says might turn in a shove stuff the back into the RV at. So now, there'll be more of an increased flow into the mitral valve as that doesn't happen normally enroll cases because again woah cases LVN RV getting along. So that's how I think of that. Damn. That's such a great explanation building on what Williams said. One of the things I love about cardiology is that it's very redundant, right? The core principle and the reasons why we see things are pretty straightforward and once you understand that then everything else is just a redundant extra way of looking at it and. So. We talked about how when you expire you increase the pressures in the thorax, but that doesn't transmit to the LVN. So you have increased dry from the pulmonary veins can go into and fill the left side and so in expiration your mattress locals up. But because the ventricular interdependence tricuspid inflow goes down. So you have respiratory phase variation in mitral inflow going up with expiration tricuspid inflow going down with expiration and vice versa inspiration. But for the same exact reason, you get respirate phasing shifts in the Septum. Mo through the personal access few you'll see the septum globally shifting towards the right side because Elvis feeling during expiration, and then shift back towards the left side because the preferentially feeling better during inspiration, and then conversely another helpful tool that's more useful atrial fibrillation right because the in flight patterns can be challenging with HR fibrillation he paddock vein Doppler is very helpful in Asia fibrillation impatience with constrictive pericarditis to French, eat them from restrictive physiology and. So. If you think about how patrick inflow, the paddock veins should be draining into the IDC and into the right atrium and so if a patient has constrictive pericarditis what happens with expiration acceptance bowling towards the right side, and that pressure is being transmitted from the RV to the A to the IVC backup to the paddock means so that you have diastolic flow reversal in a paddock veins predominantly during expiration if the patient is constrictive pericarditis, it's all along. The same track from the LV to rb to the IRA ABC Paddock mates conversely, if a patient has restricted physique polity, what happens is the majority of the inflow to the right side just like a normal healthy hearts will happen during inspiration however, the restrictive stiff noncompliant, right ventricle. It's not able to fully accept all that blood during inspiration and so during inspiration when you get that huge fullest going into the RV, it's not gonna be able to accept. It, and so you get the pressure referred all the way backwards into the paddock means and so with the restrictive physiology get diastolic flow reversal in the paddock baynes predominantly an inspiration. So that can be one way of differentiating it. A couple of other helpful signs for restriction versus construction on echography are looking at your shoe velocities on Doppler, and so you're a prime essentially is the tissue velocity of the Mitral anyalysts and you can look at the medial. And lateral prime and by definition restrictive heart disease there's a deafening of the muscle and it doesn't as well and so the movement of the muscle is low and so you'll have a patient with heart failure preserved ejection fraction predominant right sided symptoms into aprons will be low as you suspect because there's dystopic dysfunction however with constriction, he's not a muscle disease, and so you may have normal or elevated prime philosophies into same clinical context preserve the F. Right sided symptoms with filling pressures and so normal or elevated e prime. Tissue. Doppler. Velocities. With the Mitral Angeles can help promote that constriction and not restriction, and alternatively with the city's, you can compare the media prime velocity to the ladder leading apprentice and the normal healthy heart. The septum is a little bit restricted because it's headed to the cardiac skeleton, and so normally, the laterally prime has a greater velocity. The lateral. Michael Angelus moves faster than the medial Michael Angelus putting constriction because of the tethering of the lateral wall to the constricted inflamed fibrous pericardium you'll have Angeles reverses whereby the medial prime philosophy will be greater than laterally. Prime. Philosophy there's so many nuances to this that I had read more about but this is so much richness in the echocardiogram to better understand what the causes are symptoms whether it's restriction construction for something else going on. Yeah. That's awesome and it really again, it always comes down to that fundamental pathophysiology what is the anatomical problem and that will generate all of what we're seeing in cardiology like you said, cardiology is a lot of it is redundant because a lot of it is looking at the same physiology through a different lens of physical. Hamlin's echo leads emery lands at a Catholic and seeing the same phenomenon and since you brought up restriction again, if you WANNA anchor yourself because this is very complicated discussion restriction construction. It's baffled people for decades. Everybody always forgets about even though they mastered at one time or another, you always have to remember. But if you contact physiology again locked box, that's what constriction is and there's interdependence because of that lock box that is the key fundamental principles that will explain all of the findings that we're describing here, and then for restriction is stiff. Nana lock box. It's a stiff heart, the vegetables new work in concert together they are just terrible feeling no matter what inspiration expiration they just don't feel well, and so there is not going to be that discordance. It's not gonNA be a fight between the LVN RV they're both crying out together. They're both in the same boat. That's GONNA. Be a fundamental difference between constriction and restriction, and basically that is what we're doing by all these studies. He's out what's going on with both of them. They share a lot of common things but that interested dependents is really what sets them apart. Quite Dan fiv begun to unlock that box with the window to the heart use Neko Cardiogram, and we certainly could have taken a patient to that donut of truth with Cardiac Mariah, but the renal function is compromised. So it sounds like we're gonNA take a patient to the table of truth with a cardiac catheterization. What did we find? So, we found that his reinhard pressures were up a bit mean are a pressure was twenty RV systolic pressure was forty and RV industry pressure was twenty five. He had a mean peer pressure of thirty two and a Pulmonary Kepler Wedge pressure of Twenty Six, we did simultaneous LV pressures, which showed exactly what we are expecting the elderly. ADP was twenty six as well as RV ADP was also twenty six, the left and right ventricular stock pressures were discordant with rest bro phase variation and the pattern feeling during gas both the right and left and dribbles was consistent with rapid early filling in constant light pressure one of the typical findings. Of constrictive pericarditis is the ratio of RB EDP TO RV SP being more than one third and our patient had Arbi Edp of twenty five and RV, stock pressure of forty ratio of nearly two-thirds while and Rachel. It sounds like you gave a very nice description of typical dip in Plateau or square root sign that we normally see that very rapid early diastolic filling that then tapers off with constant pressure during later Diaz Dewey, and again same thing the going back to the redundancy right such a simple concept You can break down to three phase early rapid isolate failing give dice states and then have the atrial kick the early filling. In. Constrictive pericarditis, you have very high rapid velocities because your backup of pressure is so high you're elevated. You're here you're right. Atrial pressure is twentieth massive yet the huge Dr to fill that right ventricle or are you strive to fill from? La to the left ventricle in so that early rapid filling is extremely fast. However, the heart can only feel so much right because it's constrained by that thick fibrous inflamed pericardium may or may not be inflamed, but the thick pericardium and so just as blood very quickly enters the ventricle during early filling or early it just as abruptly stops in. So you think about the different correlates on the physical. Exam that's her mock. You've gotta Gush of blood that goes into LV. It stops abruptly because it's constrained by the Cardio on the Echocardiogram, you have a tall he philosophy or e the mitral influence bossy with very short diesel time because it stops very abruptly and then on the right heart cath, it's the right atrial pressure is that essentially dips very quickly and then all of a sudden it goes back up and plateaus because they're atrial emptying happens very quickly and then the Arby's constraints got backup of pressure than it stops. So it's just Nice Corlett of a very simple concept, but you see across multi modality redundancy is very helpful. Almost almost like textbook, but have to remember the the human dynamics intervention, independence, restaurant variations. All of this sounds looks like it's constrictive pericarditis guessing he was probably sent to see one of the surgeons Rachel we did CD surgery saw him and recommended pericardial stripping or period product me has it sometimes referred to he had a successful surgery and filling so much better. He just had a follow up echo and RV pressures are pretty much back to normal and no longer has intervention dependence. His swelling has improved. His CRATON is improving and he says, he feels like a brand new man one of the things I love about cardiology is really how we can help people. This guy was miserable for nearly a year since the hepatic. Even during liver transplant and being able to diagnose him and getting him the appropriate treatment it just never gets old not to Brag but cardiologists the best I'm sure everybody else here agrees. One hundred percent couldn't agree more with you and I just he had such a profound course and he was treated and managed. So effectively, I just couldn't help but wonder what we think the ideology could have been granted that a majority of the cases of Paradise in general are idiopathic, but there are so many ideologies to consider. So thinking back to his own personal risk factors if we dissect this one, he's had kidney disease, and so there is repaired I'd it's another thing to consider is that he's been immuno-compromised. He's infections, recurrent cellulitis and cryptococcal meningitis. So not only was immunised oppressing medication is actually functionally immuno-compromised, and so you can have a whole host of different infectious pericarditis ideologies. HISTORY PLASMA TV record is probably one of the most common causes of Paradise Infectious, and then there's inflammatory status related to a systemic disorder, for instance, rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus. erythematosus. And there's a lot of actress genetic causes. Epidemiology is really shifted especially with all the work that we're doing in medicine in general but postponed cardiology syndrome if patient. Has had heart surgery. This patient hasn't there are reports Paradise's following EP procedures like ablation pacemaker devices even sensing there is post radiation pericarditis is drug induced pericarditis. There is going along the lines of pedal injury. There's acute coronary. Syndrome Associated Initial Paradise Number Dressler Center down the road. But really again by idiopathic credits is probably the most common recalled this patient probably after the damage had been done because his patient had a thick and calcified fibrous pericardium. But in this setting, we had to do the right thing. And take out the pair Kardashian but there are situations patients earlier in the course of their having recurrent bouts of pericarditis of constrictor disease who are diagnosing underling inflammation and underlying ideology can really help figure out how to best manage that patients. So tremendous job figuring out what was going on using multi-modality diagnostics and doing the right thing for the patient in taking care of him. It's amazing how well he's doing right I couldn't agree more Rachel, Absolutely. Wonderful. So fascinating and really fulfilling absolutely it is while we're here. Anybody, have any other thoughts on the case one of the things that really struck out was to make it was mentioned before was a case of anger and bias by Sylvia's on topic but typically we get locked down into a particular diagnosis. That is is really easy to forget all the causes I. Think when we first discussed where medicine doctors I, those always good for us to try to get abroad differential in Cedar patients and get the history for ourselves and. Not Be stuck with a or not believe the first diagnosis that were given from a primary servers or even to Er. That's right. Emmanuel we have buddy dean of the Graduate Medical Education here at the University of Tennessee. Is actually a heart failure cardiologists, which is wonderful because you know he's always looking out for our cardiology fellowship here but he always says trust but verify and what he means by that of course is we certainly want to trust what others have. Said about patients when we see them whether it's in consultation in the hospital or as a referral office but we should also try their best to verify the information that they're telling us see that information first hand in an attempt to try to avoid anchoring in some of these other biopsies that we all victim to trust the verify. Those are words that we should all live by anticipation is a prime example and this has been such a great discussion and really. Highlights so much of what's great about cardiology that it's it's broad. You'd still have to be an internist I and to that than you really are a master of sub specialty have to use advanced diagnostic and management to take care of patients. I'd love to hear from you what Y'all love about cardiology and how your experience has been training at the University of Tennessee beyond honest chocolate cake chocolate by the way is just amazing. I highly recommend recommended for everyone else. Oliver Meister 'cause I can't even talk. Cake is, is certainly a benefit, one of the things that I love about, of course, the decision. Is Very fascinating to me, but I love the variety. Every day is a little something different. You get to the best of the inpatient world outpatient world you get some imaging, you get some procedural time in the Cath. Lab. So there's just always something interesting and no days exactly the same, and that's really what drew me to cardiology in the first place and dancer. The second part of your question training at Tennessee is has been awesome. I really can't say enough good things about our not only our cardiology staff here but the entire hospital we're constantly growing it's a relatively new fellowship program I. Think this is. Our. Thirteenth the year but we've hired three or four new cardiologists within the last year we've got an imaging specialists has just joined us. We've got a heart failure interventionalist starting in a couple of mine and the hospital itself is so supportive of everything we do. In fact, we have a quarterly meeting with all of the residents and fellows with the CEO of the hospital to discuss issues pertaining to the residency programs, and they actually listen and make changes, and it's amazing and I know that kind of thing doesn't happen everywhere. So we're very fortunate to have that kind of relationship with our hospital here at ut. That's really incredible a to to see how dedicated leadership in your opinions on your well being. That's awesome. Your William I I agree with just variety cardiology provides was actually I trained as a hospital this for a few years in one of the things that I missed was outpatient medicine being able to speak with the patient in that setting in cardiology provides just a breadth of different types of experiences. Weather's inpatient outpatient in some procedures for me. The best thing I like about Knoxville is that it's home for me but also close to everything we have to mountains I have a little one year old kid so i. Frequently take him out to parks from time to time and think it's just an amazing place to to raise a family. Yes. I'll follow that up one of the reasons I love cardiology is he dot Amex just can't get enough of the physiology and like you said, there's a lot of redundancy but the redundancy is just going back to the physiology makes you feel like you can really figure things out and just talk through it just knowing how everything works and then really that instant gratification we know we've spent most of our lives in training all delayed gratification but now we actually get to treat our patients in see. Them do better and feel better, and that's really gratifying. Also, the variety is a plus being able to do some imaging and do some procedures inpatient and outpatient, and then really the breadth of cardiology is still growing in everybody's still learning and everything is fresh and we're constantly learning new things. It's just can't say enough good things about cardiology as far as program goes neom odd husband Elliot actually couples matched into cardiology here, and this was one of the programs we felt was so welcoming and just the nicest most supportive group of cardiologists we've come across this home for us and so we had the opportunity to get to. Know some of these cardiologists previously, but the people is just so important who you work within your alongside faculty staff everybody has just been amazing so far and it's been great. Yeah. I couldn't agree more with everything you said, but you know what better way to enjoy a discussion on dynamics than at beautiful case of constriction versus restriction especially when the patient such a great outcome. So congratulations on taking terrific care if your patient thank you so much for your time for taking us on a hike at least. Thank you so much for the chocolate cake. But now let's go on hikes. I didn't feel so bad about the calories. Thanks. Thanks everyone. Thank you for elevating us. Lately we yeah. Thank you for having us. We've enjoyed the case series podcast so far they've been fantastic very informative, and we look forward to hearing what our colleagues at other fellowship programs have to present in the upcoming cases. And now for the East, CPR and message to applicants by Dr Tawana overly our program director of interventional cardiology and APD of our general cardiology fellowship. This is twenty overly at one of the interventional cardiologists here at the University of Tennessee Center in Knoxville I'm the program director of interventional, cardiology first of all, wanted to congratulate all of the fellows on wonderful discussion i. Thought it was I take you later explained and done in a logical appropriate manner to allow the large thinking to come and do more deductive processing to figure out this case. So I really appreciated that really from my perspective I think there's big picture things. There's probably two things that I would focus on. In this case, I can't really say a lot more with regard to. The discussion because it was so excellent. So there's not a lot to add there. But for me, it's too big pictures in first big picture has to do with a Dima. We get a lot of consultations and you get a lot of evaluation for the causes of Dima. So it's important to understand it as a very common complaint is as you all know, Scott along differential. Diagnosis as again as you guys detailed in the discussion, but one of the things that you'll learn in practice is that you'll get a lot of consultation for this and not all swelling his heart failure. In fact, most of it isn't, and so it's important to go through that differential that you guys discussed to figure out what the problem is, what the problem isn't because it. Can Be detrimental. If you choose the wrong strategy, obviously, there are some situations in patients with Dima Williams definitely wanna give him diuretics. But if you've got the wrong process von cause of Dima and you him diuretics, it can really be deleterious particularly in patients who are sick or otherwise relatively unstable. So I felt that discussion was excellent. The other thing that we sometimes don't think. About is Venus disease as being calls of some issues and problems, and sometimes you need diuretic. Sometimes, you need aggressive cardiac evaluation but sometimes, you just need an ultrasound maybe the patient has Venus reflex maybe they will do well with compression therapy and basically noninvasive type A treatment strategy. So I think that's really important but again, de detail, the diagnosis was detailed expertly by guy so. I don't think I have a lot of comments on that other than that. The other big picture item of knowing in discussing Dima is knowing and understanding the echocardiogram findings I thought that was really important. The way you guys were able to link the physiology in Echocardiogram because you figure it out essentially, if you understand one of them, you understand the other so being able to. Understand the physiology and echocardiogram important because they help you understand it and has one of the other things that you guys discuss which I thought was critical as a lot of times. When you first learned this, you have to learn it three or four times, and then it sticks but again, understanding the physiology, the echocardiogram makes it really easy to understand. So with that, I'll stop there. So. Briefly, our program here is that the University of Tennessee medical centers in Knoxville, it's a relatively new program the. Thirteenth Year it's a small program. We actually think that's one of the benefits because it makes it really easy to respond to any clinical educational needs of our fellows. We started out with two year and we've actually increased to three fellows a year. One of the problems we've had is just a tremendous amount of growth in a hospital in our program. In the last ten years, we've gone from twelve faculty now up to. Twenty six and we've increased our complement of general cardiology fellows in four years ago we started interventional cardiology fellowship. So there's tremendous amount of growth that's correlating corresponding with the growth of our medical center I think the other unique thing particularly about a program is the cultural. Most of us here had traditionally come from academic large medical centers, and ours is a little bit different. It's doesn't have the traditional hierarchy that A. Lot of traditional academic institutions have we treat our fellows really like colleagues in junior faculty in fact, one of the benefits of having the program here at we've been able to select around seven of our graduates to in our practice. We've got some from EP from interventional cardiology as well as general cardiology I. Think one of the other benefits as a fellow is that it's a very flexible program really other than call our. Fellows aren't critical to any of our clinical services and what that means is since they don't have all these service obligations, they have more time for education or they can spend more time focusing on specific areas of their interest. So if they're interested in EP or interventional imaging and they can spend more time to focus on that in addition to our large hospital service in the inpatient services are outpatient services are phenomenal. Obviously you've. Your general cardiology clinic, which everyone will have. We also have a congenital heart disease clinic. We have a pediatric cardiologists WHO's who? Than sees patients with our fellows. In addition, we have a cardio oncologist. So that's a rotation within our training program, and of course, we have an interventional cardiology fellowship, and because of that general cardiology fellows will have a tremendous exposure to all the upcoming in new technology. With structural heart disease, we have a tavern program Mitra clip in watchmen alcohol, Septa locations, and PF OS as. The whole nine. So there's a lot of exposure to a lot of the newer innovative techniques and procedures that's going on, and we're in the process of starting our program, which will probably start in the first quarter of next year. So it's a really exciting time for a program and our fellows are very happy and enjoy being here as far as Knoxville. It's a wonderful city. On the Tennessee, river's close to the smoky mountains. So you get all the benefits of having a major college town, but it's not just a college town. There's also a lot of several industries in this area that contribute to not only the employment, but also to the academic reputation of the area because we've got oak. Ridge national. Laboratories, and why twelve. So that brings in A. Lot of intellectual talent wealth as well but it's really a great place to live. It's got a very low cost living and active lifestyle. So we've enjoyed living here been here for twelve years now and it's integrate decision. So I look forward to meeting some of you in the future and I appreciate this time and opportunity not only discussed his case but also program. Thank you. What an amazing episode a huge thanks to the fellows and faculty for enriching with another terrific discussion and an incredible edition two Cardi nerds case report series. Be sure to check out the show notes for all the case media available for review key take points and special points and links to the program. 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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Welcome to the Monitor daily podcast. It's Tuesday September tenth. Thanks for joining us. I'm Dave Scott and I'm Molly Dawson last week. Fourth Grade Teacher Laura Snyder found one of her boys in tears at lunch. Some girls scoffed at his homemade university of Tennessee t shirt she could have just told him it would be okay belise happen but not Miss Snyder she was going to buy him a real. Tennessee volunteers t shirt art and posted a story on facebook within days a box full of orange t shirts hats and other. Ut Swag arrived at the ultimate elementary school in Ultima Springs Florida. All courtesy of ut that fourth grader went from zero zero two class hero then the university took to the next level. The Boys hand-drawn design was made eight into a new official. U T shirt. A portion of the earnings will be donated to stomp out bullying a nonprofit. The flood of online orders crashed the university site Friday Mitch Snider Rode. On facebook that the new University of Tennessee shirt design put a big big smile on his face. He walked taller and I could tell his confidence grew today. Skeptics might say it's just just a tribe the bulls protectively embracing their youngest member. Maybe I've never been evolves fan but I would buy that shirt because it's a statement about character it says derision or hate don't get the last word especially when exposed bless you Miss Snyder for caring enough to go the extra mile and now to our five selected stories including breaking taboos and Israel a new symbol of hope and Afghanistan hello and mythbusters and Uganda and New England our first story among the Democratic candidates Joe Biden leads in the polls but our reporters found little enthusiasm for him in New Hampshire suggesting the shift is underway former vice president. Joe Biden is on a mission to restore the soul of America and hopes to recapture Obama trump voters drawing on his working class background Democrats nostalgia for the Obama years and a wellspring defection many have for Uncle Joe but in New Hampshire which holds the nation's first primary in February his surprisingly durable lead is showing cracks particularly among the states more Progressive Russell activists at this weekend's Democratic convention though he has a stronger support among centrists and African Americans the lack of enthusiasm speaks to a broader order tension in the Party as ten Democratic candidates headed into Thursday's debate. They face a party divided over the best way to defeat President Donald Trump. Do they appeal to a broad swath voters by nominating a moderate with a message of unity or aim for record turnout among millennials and minorities with a liberal. Oh pushing for Systemic Change Democrats want to pick who can win says Andrew Smith a political science professor and director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Survey Center is that someone mainstream like Biden. Many others are sane. Look Republicans picked trump and they mobilized in one. This story was reported by critic case Brian and story Hinckley in New Hampshire for the Monitor. There's long been a tension in Israel between Jewish and a democratic state. We look at why voters are closer to inviting the era parties to join Israel's ruling coalition. Well Arab citizens have had the right to vote since Israel's founding even the leaders of liberal Jewish parties have ruled out forming a coalition that relies on Arab support to secure a parliamentary majority but then so have the Arab parties themselves for Jews. It's been a matter of doubt about Arab allegiance to the Jewish state for Arabs in unwillingness to support harsh government policies towards Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza but there is a change in a poll sixty three percent of Israeli. Arabs said they wanted to you see Arab politicians join a coalition government and Ayman O'Day now says his joint list would be open to join a centre-left government. Israeli Israeli Jews aren't yet ready. The problem is not simply that the parties are Arab are used political scientists Keaton Rut if they take part in a government that has has to deal with things like national security. This might be problematic for both sides he says but tell you Shenlin a pollster and consultant for leftist parties hardy's says I'd like to think that one day Israelis could change their minds. One reason they haven't is that they had not been asked. This story. Okay was reported by Dina Kraft in tel-aviv for the Monitor in the two decades. Our reporter has covered Afghanistan shell-pocked palace and Kabul has not really lived up to its name abode of peace today. It's restoration is seen seen as a symbol of hope for the nation. Few buildings are as iconic to innovation or have been in such need of repair as the war war ravaged. A ruling on palace is here. I conceived in the nineteen twenties as an architectural example of Aniston's entry into the modern world the imposing team building which sits atop a hill in western Kabul has instead belied its name abode of peace for the last forty years it has been ravaged by fires and war is fine lines and features slowly eroded by bullets and shells as the country faced turmoil during the Soviet occupation of the nineteen eighties battles between warlords Taliban rule and neglect and finally the US occupation and subsequent civil war starting in two thousand and one throughout those decades the Palestine came a symbol of a nation at war. It's elegant. Domes became merely rounded crumbling metal frames. Its it's toll windows became broken apertures into the dark shadows of Afghanistan's once hopeful past but today Afghan workers have rebuilt the palace us as a symbol they hope will reflect a revitalised country that may again soon taste piece. This story was reported by Scott Peterson Persson for the Monitor. See Video Fail Sosa in today's issue in the first two stories today about myth busting our report looks at exaggerated claims and expectations about Chinese investment in Africa. The reality on the ground is much different. Chinese agricultural investments in Africa have sparked fierce controversy excoriated as colonial plunder or hailed as productive active and beneficial to local farmers but the picture here and Louro Uganda fifty miles north of the capital is rather one of inaction and incompetence at the first commercial Chinese agricultural operation in Uganda. The land lies idle and overgrown. I came mushrooms than Fish Asia pigs and grains alt-right on soil that the owners found ill-suited to their attempts at a different six hundred Acre farm a promised twenty twenty five thousand jobs have yielded about one hundred and the handling of the wetlands has made it nearly impossible for locals to graze their livestock. There is a false impression that Chinese companies control huge tracks of African land to grow crops to feed Chinese consumers but researchers have found no the Chinese companies exporting rice or other cereals back home yet. There is also no way of telling how many businesses Chinese farmers have here because the government does not not keep accurate records says Josh Myo an expert in Chinese Ugandan relations so called Chinese investors bandy around these huge figures and African leaders are very happy to hear them says Dr Mayo Africa is seen as the wild west in China this the story was reported by Peter Ford and Uganda for the Monitor Valerie Cunningham Cunningham tells hidden stories of African Americans in New Hampshire helping to dispel the myth that slavery didn't exist in the north. She's she's filling in history gaps and changing perspectives at a diversity committee meeting in the nineteen nineties. Valerie Cunningham showed slides is a famous places in Portsmouth New Hampshire. The meeting attendees knew the White Story of what I was showing them. She recalls and I said okay. Here's what I know about it. Miss Cunningham knows about the people left out by previous generations of historians who didn't see their value over a decades. She has scoured records to find out about these people in New Hampshire digging alone in Church basements archives and courthouses her her work laid the foundation for the Portsmouth Black Heritage Trail which turns twenty five next year making black history visible is a means to a bigger end and from his Cunningham what motivates her research is a yearning to help people become critical thinkers to learn the history is and try to understand how it connects next to what's happening now. She says the trail creates a sense of belonging says Dennis Britain an African American professor of English who serves on the board of the Black Heritage Trail of New Hampshire a nonprofit that Miss Cunningham helped establish there would be no trail without Valerie Cunningham. This story was reported by Stacey Tushar Hetero in Portsmouth New Hampshire for the Monitor now commentary on e cigarettes from a monitor's editorial board when world leaders gathered this month in New York for the United it nations General Assembly high on the agenda will be a celebration of the thirtieth anniversary of the adoption of the Convention on the rights of the child. The pact has helped focus global attention on ways to safeguard children and their innocence when of the latest efforts is the protection one of youth from e cigarette use or vaping which has become an epidemic in the United States on Monday the US Food and Drug Administration ordered vaping giant jewel to stop making unproven claims for its products in twenty eighteen e cigarette use among American Merican Highschool students stood at twenty one percent an increase of seventy eight percent over the prior year. This rapid increase crease is the fastest rate ever recorded for an addictive substance if the rise and youth vaping continues. US Health officials say they we'll take more aggressive action the nineteen eighty-nine Treaty on the rights of the child marked a big step for humanity this global awakening being helped compel countries to act quicker when threats to children arise the outcry over teen vaping in the US and the government's crackdown show the near universal presumption of innocence for all children. That's our news you can find the fulling versatility stories and today's issue or at CS monitor dot com slash daily really thanks for joining US come back tomorrow we're working on a story about the likely shift in US foreign policy after the abrupt exit with the National Security Adviser John Bolton today's Christian Science Spiritual Perspective column shares how learning about how God's odds goodness acts as a law in our lives one woman but Keeling find the column today's issue or at CS monitor dot com slash. Dave Dave finally a grace note of gratitude to our staff including today's audio production team Samantha Lane Preface Story Silver and Jeff in this podcast is produced by the Christian in Science Monitor Copyright Twenty nineteen.
Bringing Nature Indoors with Sue Hamilton
"Welcome to twenty twenty and a brand new decade. This is the Tennessee magic moments podcast. And I'm your host Lauren Bath with the UT Institute of Agriculture her. Thank you for starting your New Year with us today. We have a special episode in store for you. A New Year is an opportunity to look both before us and behind so in in that spirit. We're GONNA take today to look back on a career that has shaped Tennessee's horticulture at the close of two thousand nineteen Sue Hamilton Director of the UT Gardens in Knoxville Fox will retired but before she made the official announcement. Sue Sat down to talk all things gardening with the Tennessee magic moments crew. I'm also joined by a special co host uh-huh Selena she's an agricultural communication student at ut and she joins me behind the podcasting Mike to interview. In fact I think I'll let Selena. Take it from here. Imagine you're sitting on your couch all bundled up with a blanket and some hot chocolate with the aroma of peppermint and lavender to distress from the hectic holiday holiday. Times you look outside your window and you may see some frost on the ground and little redbirds hanging out on the bare tree branches. Doc Hello Welcome to the Tennessee magic moments podcast where we celebrate agriculture's influence in our everyday lives. I'm Selena Menard. An intern at the University of Tennessee Institute of Agriculture. Today we'll be learning about sue Hamilton. And her time at the University of Tennessee as well some tips and tricks on container gardening to make your home a little more green and a little more cosy on these cold winter days. Well we are here here today with Sue Hamilton with the UT gardens and we also have a special co host Selena Maynard. She's my intern this year. Hey Selena Hey Lauren Lauren. How are you good So we're GONNA talk a little bit about container gardening today as well as the legend that is Hamilton Hamilton. I saw that IRA sue. Yeah I mean it one hundred percent true it. It's quite a career you've had really has been but let's start off with Some pretty easy questions you want to start it Sure so you just want to start out by saying like who you are and why you're here today. Sure I'm Su- Hamilton and I'm the director of The University of Tennessee Gardens which on proud to say is now recognized as our state botanical gardens of Tennessee. I've been here at ut for thirty seven years. And I've been the director of the garden since two thousand eight. Wow to longtime longtime yeah so prior to that. I was A professor for teaching and research in I founded our public horticulture program. I'm here at ut. Which I'm I'm I have to say as a career highlight? That's one thing I'm really proud of is that we've got a public horticulture program one of the few in the the United States and we've just got graduates all over the United States in some really prestigious outstanding jobs in public horticulture meaning botanical gardens his writing publications doing radio and all kinds of things. Thought like what we're doing here today. Yeah it's an impressive program you guys have done a Lotta great work. Thanks So this will actually be airing in January. Hopefully it'll be a little bit cold by then we're recording a little earlier think it's pre-thanksgiving giving right now but gardening is year round it it surely can be absolutely indoors and and outdoors and I think you guys WanNa talk today about indoor gardening gas so we were wondering if you could tell us a little bit about container gardening gardening right so indoor container gardening. Basically let's talk about growing house plants or interior perio- plants or foliage plants. You'll find That term used interchangeably referring to you know again. I'll just say our house is plants. But there are some fabulous selections out there on the market and now Like you guys have said container. Gardening I'm going to say I think it can kinda start with the container when you think about What you WANNA do indoors? Wow you can find containers is to be complementary to whatever you've got going on indoors so you're gardening comes part of your interior decoration absolutely. Yeah so I think that could be a good way to approach. It is to think about what you have going on indoors. Is There A. Is there a decorating theme aim. Is there a color theme. And then Kinda Keep that in mind as you start checking out in exploring containers because it's just it's never before. Have we seen such really beautiful in neat unusual different type containers that you can use indoors. I hadn't thought about at that part of it. I I just think about the plant itself and kind of thinking about the color. Or what have you but the container itself especially with house plants can really be part part of the whole aesthetic boy. It sure can and I'll tell you that A lot of the beautiful outstanding containers like were mentioning here are are not always the cheapest thing so if you're going to spend some money boy I would look at it as being part of a furnishing an accent p something. I'm to be complementary to your indoor decor so after you've found the container that you would like to have in your home that goes with your team and stuff like that. What else do you need to go in that plant in that container? Okay so when you do look at in door. Gardening light is a very big deal. Because the minute and it you move indoors you know lighting dramatically changes so you ought to know that in the world of Interior House plant plant foliage plants. There's kind of the low light plants. I'll even say some plants that I would categorize as they can grow in a cave. So if if you've got really low light like very limited windows really want to kind of zero in on plants that are categorized as being low light verses. This is there are some that you could say yum medium light and there's highlight plants that are going to like your succulent CACTI. Typically the thicker the leaf the more sun loving the brighter light loving. That plant is really think about if you're familiar with jade or any succulent. How the leaves tend to be very thick I thought that had more to do with the moisture level that they preferred well? I guess you could likewise with that. Due to the thicker the leaf typically because it does contain a lot of moisture the higher the light and the less Moi moisture requiring the lower amount amount of water is the house whereas. I'm what you think about a fern. FERNS can be really nice indoor plant they have a very thin leaf leave. They typically don't like bright bright or they don't like son and they require a lot of water. I have a billion windows and I never remember to the water so I think succulents are more there. You and forgiving plants. You want the the forgiving plants definitely so I think the first thing you WanNa do when you start thinking okay. I want to put some live. Plants grow some live plants indoors. Here is think about kind of study and think about the amount of of light that you have indoors is d get direct sun. Is that a highlight southern exposure where you could go for If you're familiar with like rubber Robert Tree Rubber Tree. It's type of Feick tree. That does a great endorse it. It too has a bit thicker. WACK sier the leaf. It would do very well in bright bright light all right so you WANNA. You're mindful about the amount of light that you have next interior. Are Your House plants. They really like the temperatures that we like as human beings so think about we. I think most people probably are are comfortable around. What sixty eight to seventy two in? That range is what most people probably keep their homes up. That's the plants are happy at that at at that level. So imagine if you're in a window and it's wintertime is probably belonged chillier. Yeah so it may be that you want to move those plants out of the window. Oh sill during the winter months another thing that Lord and I were talking about was like pets. Do you have any tips and Jigsaw John. If you have any pets in the house yell you WanNa An. Let's just throw win. Small children too because yes there are plants that fall into to the category of being poisonous. And they. Yeah Yeah They can be poisonous to pets but they could also be poisonous to people a young child that might be exploring or tasting and also again as you as you're thinking about. How much like do I have temperature? I would think about maybe checking out some of the plants that you're drawn to. That are appealing to you. You know where do they fall on that poisonous chart and again. It's every every plants individuals so you're going to want to read up on it and find out is toxic or not. I'll throw one interior plant because we're up on the holiday today season and You hear so much still about point. Setty is being toxic being poisonous. In all actuality the the point Setia itself has been proven many times to not be poisonous or toxic to animals or people but where I believe that myth has come from gets passed. Along is that there are members of the plant family. There's many plants in that family that are toxic sick to animals and to people. So I think that's where that that comes from but in all actuality when you start looking at the point Setia that we enjoy during Christmas Christmas time in the holiday season it is not a poisonous plant. So where do you find that information. You may find it on a plant label. You May WanNa Do a search on the Internet about indoor poisonous plants And and start doing a comparison among lists to see what seems is to be pretty well recognized as being poisonous plant. Also there is a poison control center. I think every community. There's a national hotline but I think every community has A poison control. You know phone number and all that you can call in and That is going to include outdoor indoor. You know all kinds of plants so you could check it out that way. Yeah so something to definitely not deter you from. I'm getting some house plants this winter but something to consider if you've got some pets or small children right right. So what kind of house plans do you have. Well I tend to go for the forgiving plants. The low light plants and let me say that a lot of the lower light plants can take brighter. Light it's just that they are that we value them because they really have proven to be able to tolerate really low light so some of my favorite ones and once that I grow so There's one that's called Agley. Nima Agley Nima is I don't know any other common name. That's the botanical. And the and the common name. It's a beautiful plant that You can get a solid green but most of them come in variations of different colors. I've seen some even have pink and red in them and then others that are more silvery and blue So really pretty yeah. There's so there's you can have multiple notable Agley anemic around and they could look very different so that is one I would. Highly recommend is a very forgiving plant. you might be familiar with P. Slowly Spat the film it to a very forgiving plant. It will it dramatically Wiltz. So there's absolutely no question. This plant is going to let you know when it needs water but as quick as you water it bounces right back where now let me tell you if you let a fern really wilt and all they may not bounce back they they may go ahead and die on us. Some plants are more tolerant of wilting in going dry versus others. Different BOCCI dumb cane gene. Now that is one plan I can tell you. That is pretty toxic But it's a beautiful indoor plant and I'll say the reason it's called dumb I'm king is if you were to bite into the leaf or the stem The chemicals causes your tongue to swell. And you you're dumb you can't speak. Oh so dumb cane. That's if you were to bite into that. That's really interesting. Yeah so that's how gets its common name now that so that's a good example of a poisonous plant but it to like the Agley Nima comes in a variety of different colors so you can have multiple ones and they all look very different from each each other so from your perspective. Why do we bring plants into our house? Why do we do house plants? Now let me tell you what we as I know as a horticulturist order cultures. You know it's one thing to have the beauty and what they are adding indoors but boy are they workhorses. They do a variety of things indoors at many people may not realize the benefits first off. There's the psychological benefit that we recognize for outdoor plants being in nature. And as well us if you want to say bringing nature indoors with indoor plants. It's it's almost like we're born with an innate desire need to have plants we've had a syndrome called nature deficit syndrome that's been identified Especially in children that are not outdoors playing in nature. You probably recognize is. There's a lot of information in the news lately about how important it is to get outdoors and engage in nature. Take a walk in the woods. Take a walk in the park Sit on a bench and just enjoy the surrounding beauty of nature and even when it is cold outdoors you can be surrounded by nature indoor indoor so so so greenery lied. Growing plants has a very beneficial psychological effect on us now physiological is pretty interesting in pretty neat what has been found through research. We know that in the presence of plants again outdoors indoors studies have recorded noted that your pulse rate slows your heart rate slows the stress level your stress level quarter Saul levels all all drop and so taking a moment and just surrounding yourself or having these plants around physiologically they call it you can chase the blues away By having plants indoors on all during the winter months. That's really important especially those that suffer from seasonal affective affective disorder absolutely ringing implants. Indoors can have some real benefits and then let me tell you Another role that again. We you may not be so aware of but they filter and clean the air they filter and clean our water. They will filter out pollutants indoors. Like what we have from you know new carpeting and interior furnishings. And things like that. That's a real issue especially for Individuals that deal with asthma We think about pollution outdoors with smog and things like that but there's so many indoor pollutants that were exposed to on a daily basis. One formaldehyde is a pretty yet cleaning. Supplies is yes all of that and so you may not realize it. Yeah you may not realize it but plants are filtering the air that we're breathing and they're a NASA Of all of all places NASA has identified some of the real world courses. That are that are the best for cleaning our air and you might be familiar with spider. Peter Plant Fun Popular House plant. Kids can have fun with it. Because you know they'll throw off the the little baby spiders or little pups and and all. That is a good plan for filtering air. Yeah we'll thank you so much for Giving us a little bit of insight about I'm houseplants in container gardening. I definitely need to get a few more for my house this winter. Make it a little bit Fresher and Greener. I like that. Yeah we we also wanted to talk a little bit about you and your career here at ut. Because thirty seven years. While I know. I just I can't I can't believe leave it myself. I'm at this point. It just seems like I would like you guys being young and starting your careers and look towards graduating from school and all in it just just seems like I was just at that point and here. We are thirty seven years down the road. Wow well that's thirty. Seven years also of horticultural Israel wisdom. So we wanted to pick your brain a little bit and ask you a little bit about your career. You have been here a little bit longer time than I have have and I was doing some research and I could not figure out when did the UT GARDENS START I started here at ut ut in one thousand nine hundred eighty three right out of graduate school twenty three years old. We started that same year. I was hired by Professor Department head of horticulture here at ut he he too was new and he came from the University of Georgia where they had started. Did A test program for herbaceous plants. Meaning all your annuals in your perennials. Out in the landscape and so he brought that idea here and he started that program and I worked with him on starting and We started out with just straight strips of annuals planted planet out on the ground. We did evaluations on their performance. Like what did really well for us. And we would send that information back into the seed implant companies and thirty seven years later here we are. We still have that program going. And we've we have grown from having just straight strips strips that were not imaginative or beautiful or steady in any manner except for color. And now here. We are your State State Botanical Gardens of Tennessee. And you know all kinds of different elements that we've developed as part of this garden hoste garden. We have a children's Children's garden we have a conifer collection and a Rose Garden. So wow yeah. It's pretty rewarding to see it. Go from I'm just pure annuals to now having a different type gardens and collections plant collections. And all the Ut Gardens themselves have grown Here in Knoxville from just a couple of Rose to these meandering gardens and and and everything else but it's also grown across the state correct absolutely and that is an important element of how we became recognized as a legislative act by the Tennessee legislature. That the University of Tennessee Gardens are are recognized as the as the State Botanical Gardens at Tennessee and so it goes back and part of the evolution of our plant evaluation program program which we started in nineteen eighty three with annuals. We we did the same thing. Over at one of our Agra search education centers and Jackson and so the annual set we were evaluating here Knoxville. We started planting them as well in Jackson Tennessee. And so it's all it's it's all grown to wear now We do have the UT Gardens in Jackson the UT Gardens in Crossville and now and and then in Knoxville collectively the state botanical gardens. Yeah and I I. I'm proud of this that the people running running those gardens are graduates of our program here and so they all worked. They were one point interns here in the Knoxville Garden. And and now you know we've got Jason Reeves and we've got selena Dirk hot at Crossville and those guys are providing the leadership all on the horticulture and the plant evaluation programs there. So so you're very proud of the horticulture therapy program that started here at. Ut can you tell me about how that began and where it's grown. Yeah I just have to say again as director of the gardens I it's been very rewarding to grow the gardens not not only in plant collections in different aspects of the gardens but to grow the staff as well one of our staff members Derek. Sto well he has started a a horticulture therapy program as part of the gardens. He's grown so much she's actually hired. He's got to people he's hired now that are working full time I'm with him on going out into the community not only redoing horticulture therapy here on campus and in the UT Arns but he is now taking. Let's say the UT gardens into a lot of facilities like assisted living facilities Senior citizen an centers boys and girls clubs. He's going to these different organizations and he's taking the plants and he's going in with planned programs. TMZ It is. It's it's taken off He's got so many clients now. Organizations that are paying to have him and staff members. Come in and do these therapeutic sessions or programs using plant. Yeah so you've seen the UT gardens Go from a couple long plots of land to an entity that's now expanding to the outer Knoxville community and bring gardening to people in the community that never may have interacted with ut gardens before right and some of these cases the the people are no longer able to get out on their own and come to a garden like the UT gardens and it's been neat to see gardening the field of horticulture the culture and the the leisure activity of gardening grow from when I started to where we are. Now you know. Gardening continues to be the number one leisure activity. Really Americans seventy five percent of Americans Garden and you know we've seen and I think that number may even be up right now for twenty nineteen because so many people are getting more and more going back to wanting to grow their own food the whole local movement yeah. I think it's expanding kind of what we thought of gardening. 'cause I don't do well when it comes was to horticulture gardening as far as sticks. It's not gonNA happen but I was able to Latch on personally to the Basil The oregano some sweet peppers and things like that things I could grow easily in a container and then could use a little extra incentive on me. I think for me to actually water those because I was going to use them with cooking so I think yeah it's expanded what we consider absolutely and let me say that In the thirty seven years. So I've been here the last two Let's say twenty eighteen twenty nineteen first time ever that sales in what we call. Edibles your vegetables and your fruits like growing your own blueberries raspberries in your tomatoes and your Basil's and all that I first time the last two years in American gardening history that sales of edibles has surpassed ornamental really. Yeah so so you think about buying your annual flowers and all more people bought were they could take home and grow and have have some of that in their in their Home Garden Arden we also want to ask you about the public horticulture program. You mentioned that before we started pressing record. And you're really proud of that. I am because there's not that many universities around the United States that offer a program in public horticulture and public horticulture alter is working. It's where you are educating teaching and writing talking in all about the use of plants and gardening when you think about like hgtv when when initially that whole network started They had a lot of gardening. Shows that were on and think about if you're going to be the host of gardening. TV show you better know your stuff you and let me tell you. That's that's where I was going to go with this public horticulture program you'd better be a good horticulture. We we did. We did a radio show for fifteen years called garden. Talk and let me tell you when you're in the hot seat and you get the phone calls people garden top. People could call all in and asked her questions and we had a team of us. It took a team because horticulture. Gardening is a huge field. When you think about growing those edibles house plants chance flowering plants trees shrubs? Your lawn all of that. I mean it's a vast field so you learn real quick if you're if you're doing public horticulture horticulture teaching and talking about plants and all people asking you questions you better be a good horticulturist and know a lot about the different areas of the field so we're preparing during the next generation of horticultural for the State of Tennessee. Right yeah never before. Have we seen such a demand for regarding information had to do gardening how to work with plants all of that so boy public horticulture is alive and well and yeah we are one of the few universities universities that actually offers a concentration in that. That's awesome and you mentioned it the Radio show and in other ways. You're talking about gardening. It's not just here at ut gardens you're out in the community and you're educating what are some of the ways in your career that you've been enable to engage with the community that have been just really impactful for you and use enjoyed. I have to say boy. The radio shows at the the top of the list there at one point. We're on for two hours and I can tell you we would take twenty two calls in two hours. That was a lot you know and we. We couldn't get home them all so that was very rewarding that you know you had that many people listening and wanting to call in and had questions that they wanted to get answers to so that was incredibly rewarding. Let me say with the the UT gardens we know that we have over one hundred thousand. People attend the gardens visit and our membership ship with the gardeners continues to grow We have a list serve where we send out a monthly newsletter and All different special announcements percents We do offer gardening trip and the last one we offered in three days filled and and we we started a weightless and we ended up taking two buses to meet the demand to go on the last bus trip that we did. So that is incredibly rewarding and exciting that many people you know. Want to join you to go. Oh See and talk and enjoy gardens. We were also reading about you a little bit more and we found out that you were a CO author. Author of a book called the Best Garden Plants in Tennessee. Do you WanNa talk about that. Yeah that was. That was fun. That was fun and every now and then you get somebody that has bought the book and you know they want you to sign it. That that's exciting. But it's a great book because for for Tennessee because so many many people retire here. We have a lot of people that move here. And so it's new to them gardening and mid South Zone so that that book look is just perfect for anybody that is just getting into gardening or has moved here and may not be so familiar with our plant Palette of what all does really really well here. So it's it's kind of a basic book but it does highlight and it's all done in categories like the best twenty the twenty best trees the twenty best shrubs annuals perennials. And all that that to grow in our Tennessee mid south region it sounds like a great resource and it was fun to do. And let me tell you it was hard to cut it down to like twenty in each category. That's one of the things we do with the UT guards here is identify the best I Performing Plants and then we want to promote those plants. But I can tell you the list is way longer than just twenty trees twenty shrubs so we haven't mentioned this yet yet but this is actually Pretty timely because sue you've announced you're meant one. Is that happening. Well it it really happens here at the end of the year the End of two thousand nineteen is I'm going to say the end of my professional career at ut but let me tell you. I plan to come back and be a avid volunteer. And I'm really looking forward to working with the plants out in the gardens. You know maybe I'll come and help do some pruning you know We haven't adopted spot programme and I've got already my own little adopt a spot area that I'll have my name on it that I come and I'm responsible for so and I want to continue to do the Garden bus trips. That we've started. Yeah and we're looking forward to doing three three different ones in twenty twenty so I think between volunteering over here and working with the plants and then doing doing trips I'll be around but I'm looking forward to having you know setting my own schedule and picking and choosing when and what I WANNA do and I can definitely appreciate that. Yeah so what out of everything that you've done here at your time at ut. What has been your absolute absolute favorite thing? Gosh I guess two things overall the leadership and a of the garden sing grow and expand as it had to where we are and growing that staff. It's I think it all comes back to people so growing the staff half and having a lot of young professionals really getting into growing their career. And we've hired such wonderful. We've got a great staff talented politic staff enthusiastic and energetic and then I have to say the students over the years ahead twenty seven graduate students and every every one of those graduate students. You know It's it was when when they graduated. They did a great job. Great relationship with that student. You didn't many of them are in stellar careers. Jobs out in the industry so the graduate students and undergrads advising I always conjoined advising students and helping them kind of find and realize their passion and like I mentioned that horticulture is a pretty big broad field within. You can really specialize and You know helping students find what area of horticulture really speaks to them. Nothing is more rewarding into the light. Come on for a student and they get so excited and you know they text me and ask questions and stay in touch and I. It's all about the people the relationships the students I've to say that's probably the most rewarding so what excites you about the future the ut gardens yes you may not be officially at the helm but you'll still be around and you've set a real good place. There's so much growth you've helped with build up so many different programs. The Children's garden the hoste gardens. We mentioned several the The Rose Garden just so many different different pieces and parts. That's just is the structural part but then also the programs and the people you've wrought onboard this is your legacy and it's going to be pushing toward the future. What excites you about future for? Ut Gardens I what excites me is that. I know it's not done literally growing. Continue to grow An outreach the different dimensions of the gardens will continue to grow and get fine tuned and more refined and and The one major thing we lack at this point and I I am. I'm very optimistic that this is going to happen in the not too distant future but we are going to get a visitor education building so I think that and then just the gardens becoming more refined. You know we've got gravel paths. Maybe at some point They we end up with a porous hard surface like porous asphalt or pores concrete. Oh you know that I can just see things getting more refined and just at a higher quality higher standard than where we are right now they call the UT Garden and sometimes the front porch of the university so making that even Prettier Front Porch Prettier Front Porch. And I think too with that visit education concentre of the university. The system are chancellors are deans. Man This ought to be the place where they host meetings and in bring students and bring families and get them excited about. What all is happening at the University of Tennessee? I mean it's I tell. Everybody got the prettiest office on on campus. You know. We've got the prettiest outdoor laboratory. The prettiest outdoor classrooms. So everybody ought to be using this and taking advantage of and let it be like you said. It's the front door the front porch to the university. Thank you so much for listening. If you're enjoying this podcast it would help us out tremendously if you would just leave a rating and review on itunes or whatever platform. You're listening on this helps. Listeners find us us and grow our impact so for Tennessee. Magic moments on slim art in intern for the University of Tennessee Institute of Agriculture and remember whereas always. There's no magic without egg.
Hour 3: 10/4/19
"No one's been part of more first days of Work Than Car Harper and in the same way rookies have to keep earning respect Carl Hart never stops earning the respect of hardworking people like you since eighteen eighteen eighty nine cohorts got your back twenty. Four seven visit carshield dot com forward slash. CFP The Paul Finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the capital on sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms terms apply but cried passion and patron tree of College football leaves here the Paul Finebaum show our three podcast very big football weekend Georgia coming to town but guess what basketball is around the corner. Sec Media Days less than a two weeks away and one of the featured attractions in Birmingham will be the new women's coach at the University of Tennessee and we are delighted to welcome Kelly Harper to the scene here native daughter of the University of Tennessee coach great see you thanks so much for dropping by well. Thank you enjoy being here. We talked a couple of times including when you were introduced and I know that taking over the program story does this is not AH fulltime job. It's it's it's. It's a twenty four seven job. So how has it gone now that you're ready to get out there and finally started seeing the proof at released the results of your hard work right well. You can tell practices started. you know it's been a very fast paced five and a half months for me. We we've gotten a lot in but really the most important thing right now. Our team has been very receptive. They've been excited and they have given us a lot of effort in energy and I'm really proud of him to this point Co Tower. You're going to if you can't talk this early. It's only tober fourth. How are you gonNA. What are you going to be like figure? I'll get my second. We'll be much better in about a week in knowing knowing you're you're playing career. Obviously Your your coaching career. You are a hard driving coach and I would think that the any practice right now would be a challenge for these players well. We're trying to challenge them. I I think that's the most important thing when it's easy. This team's pretty good. We WanNa make sure that we're providing opportunities for adversity and opportunities for challenges every single day Eh to help make them the best that they can be at the end of the year. That's our goal. We want to be the best we can be and I think if we can get to that point. We'll be pretty good. This is a program that that everyone knows and no one more than you considering. You're part of the national championships played for the most iconic coach in the history tree of of women's basketball so you don't need a primer on this but I'm sure you could ask questions coach. When are we going to be back. When are we going to look like like the Tennessee vols of your air and so many others well the big thing for us right now is to go out on the court and play with great effort great energy and allow our talent to come through. Thank you have to have that effort in that energy. Every single day will be fun team to watch if we play that way more gradient radiant tough. That's what we're going for and then I'll be honest with you. It's just about belief if these players and future players believe in our vision which is national championships. It's going to happen it really is. We are very confident that it will. It needs to happen needs to happen for University of Tennessee needs to happen for this and for women's basketball basketball we knew showed up here to play for coach summit. Obviously the program was established but was there any doubt when when you stepped the court for the first time what it was all about. Oh no no not at all you knew what it was about. You knew the brand. You knew what the Lady Vols were. You knew who Pat Summitt was and what you're playing for and former teammate mom in town this week. Shimmy quilts claw not talked in we reminiscing about when we were high school seniors and we didn't know what it meant. We didn't know what winning a national championship entailed but in our ignorance it's we set as seniors and said let's win four National Championships. That's what our goal was and after three in a row we came really close. We almost got that one but you know you really have to have that vision and everyone back. Dan knew what it was and I hope that everyone now knows what it is got to bring back difficult memories but I remember that night and it was. We were all shocked as fans that you didn't win a four straight. That's that's just shows you really we. We really want me to try to talk about. I mean it's been twenty years being and whatnot watch it on television but it was never forget the the team afterwards there. There's nobody could talk because the expectation was to win every game right. There's no doubt and and I've been able to look back in that and learn from it. I've learned from it as a coach. Thank you have to enjoy the process. We got to the point where we wanted to win the national championship. That's what we wanted. To-do and probably did not enjoy the season the way we needed to get better throughout the year we were. We were clearly the favorite we thought we were going to win another one one and feel that pain it was it was really hard and it cuts to know that you were just short of something even more remarkable than we were able accomplish. There's almost same sad going back twenty years to accomplish as much as it's sad but it's also the expectations and that's really where I wanna go because even though Tennessee basketball has struggled compare comparatively irritably others programs would probably take the record here over the last couple of years. No that's okay. We're we're we're we're getting better but it's not enough and and I I would. I want to ask you about your players because you had good players. It's not like Tennessee ever has averaged right. No doubt we have some talented players in our locker room and you know they can go out undo some amazing things. I think we have to be mindful of all the details. We talk to them about the expectations again. We went three national championships in a row and we're a disappointing burnt team because we lost the third one the fourth one so you know. I think you come here knowing that you come here as a coach knowing that you come here as a player as a student athlete knowing that that's just part of it but you also. You have to be competitive if you're gonNA come here because you've got to be able to compete and wanted to compete at that level to where you're you're trying to bring home that championship. This is silly question but comparatively speaking seeking Is there a sense of urgency to to let people know that this program is back and we're or is there more of a okay. Let's switch. Let's take this slowly but let's do it methodically well. I WANNA go fast. Obviously wanted to happen tomorrow but I do understand that the process there is a process here. We have to trust that process and and realize there's not a quick way to do what we want to do. We want to do it right and we want to where we're building it to withstand future. You know we wanna make sure that when when we get it where we want it when we get it back that it's going to stay there and I think our players understand that our staff understands thing is it. I know fans are sometimes impatient. They want it now just like we do. I get I have no problem with that understand it but in the meantime I think we can go out there and play with like I said earlier. Great Energy Great effort in our fans will support US people talk about how great the SEC is but it was great back then too. I mean there were there. Were a number of times vaguely. Remember when you had. SEC teams meeting in the final four meeting for the National Championship still store happening right now. I mean it looked different. Maybe the teams are different but the sec back then was terrific best conference then. I think it's the best conference now. Hopefully we'll go out and prove that this year as you. You'll have the media days in a couple of weeks and I know that you'll do the same interview. We just got through doing go over and over again but how how big a part of this program is the branding aspect because this is this name blade evolves into an in Tennessee. Women's basketball is synonymous with the very best that I've ever played in the sport. I think it's I think it's huge walk down the halls and Tom home symbol in arena and you see some of the former players that played here and realize how big of a deal this program and those players are still pulling for you know they're. They're wanting us to win. You know they they gave everything they have with this program and they just want to see it successful as well so I think we again. We have a lot to live up to uh when you put that Jersey on it means something. It means something more than just your team. Just community were again representing so many others that came before us. We're representing some of the best ever to play the game pressure on on athletic competition comes from many different ways but it almost seemed like when when you talk talk about the the dynastic programs which this is one that that may be where the most pressure comes from because you don't want to see your friends who you played list. You're you're the ones you came after work came after you looking at you going. What are you doing well. I mean I remember when I was a player. We felt that for Ireland's is that that came in and told us they wanted greatness and again. I think there's always trying to go out and make them proud because if you are you're succeeding saving in a pretty high level well coach. No it has been just a fabulous time. We've enjoyed all of our conversations. We'll see in a couple of weeks at at the media days and I hope you have a voice by then. I'll get one by that. I know you can get one. Kelly Harper head coach of the Tennessee Women's basketball program. We are live in Knoxville and we're I'm not done yet. You're listening to the Paul. Finebaum show podcast welcome back or live at Knoxville and just a spectacular day fourth of October still warm but the football weekend has arrived and it's Georgia weekend one of the top teams in the country coming to Knoxville well. The Dick Story of this week in Knoxville has been the Jeremy Banks situation by now. You've heard the news and earlier today Sean McDonough came here. He's doing the game of our night for ESPN and he told us that coach. PRUITT had said that they were working with Jeremy Banks hoping that he would understand what went wrong wrong and then about two hours ago crisslow tweeted the News Jeremy Banks has been removed from the balls football program. We have caught up with with with Chris who is heading the Ohio State Game Tomorrow Chris. Actually time I really do appreciate it and let's just take it from the top. What what do you know in in terms of why this changed well first of all Paul Sanity Columbus for the game more and bigger with UPN on campus there this thing straight victory alma mater but not well until I know more. I can't really say I understand the decision. I mean I understand the decision Asian book but as we both know and you've covered this story all week what what what changed my information fall best best diner stand is Tennessee got more editions nation today Friday that there was something else out there another incident other information and culmination or when you combine with what happened back in September with Jeremy Banks that they felt like that they needed to move on and that's again I I know that's a little bit vague but I've had a chance to travel the chance to talk to people and it more information get come man regarding banks and maybe another answer that or something else and I think it's something that happened even before four or may have happened even before this last situation which happened. I think we could of Florida and the blue of that knowing that he made the decision that they needed to move on and remove him from the football team. I mean the the damage or at least the the uh the early damage certainly was done in doubt this is going to change things very much Chris but at least it wipes the slate clean. There's no way to really assess the PR aspect of this because it's been a bad week and ultimately Jeremy pruitt will be judged. I suppose on on his won loss record but does this change anything no. I don't think it does because you're exactly right. I mean these are the kind of thing that happened and a lot of programs around the country. When you're winning big. They tend to not be as big deal when you're not winning and certainly when you're struggling the way Tennessee has. It's an even bigger deal remember. We talked about this. The other day. He got a second year head football coach the athletic director. You've got an interim press it on campus eyeballs on on everybody and you know when you have these types of pr it you know it's it's not certainly the way you draw up. Uh I think in this case again based on the few people I've talked to. They got this information today. This is not something that Jeremy Pruitt or the Tennessee athletic art but based again on my information knew about it until the day when they got it. They said you know what we really. Don't have Joyce. We gotta move on and Chris. I know we're getting beyond what we know. We're speculating here but I would think in really interested in what you had to say that from the PR standpoint if word word had gotten out that there was more here than that would that would only mushroom a the bad. Pr that Jeremy Pruitt has suffered so I mean you you have to at least give the university credit for once they learn to this the expedited his departure right and I think that again bionic that's exactly what their thought process was all that this is something we need to do and again. You know coaches ever. They always give kids every chance they came in all kids come from different backgrounds and cultures but you also have look at this from the university's perspective from your football programs perspective and I think that's what happened here and you're exactly right. They got the information. They moved forward again. This is something they do before today. I WANNA finish up on something. We've talked about it. The the other day 'cause being in town and talking to some people that you would know very well in respect. I heard them echoing. What you would told me a couple of days ago you. Bet Jeremy Pruitt status and it just does seem like what Fulmer said the other day was was was obviously an in an attempt to try to tamp down but but I want you to enunciate a little bit more on on Pruitt because it almost doesn't seem as long as the off the field issues. Chris Chris are are okay that no more embarrassing events occur the Jeremy Pruitt is going to get at least a reasonable period of time well. There's there's no appetite there right now. Among the Administration Phillip Fulmer people that that Phillip Fulmer works for to make any changes with the football. I think they very much want to give him another recruiting class or to you know he's had one full recruiting class. The nineteen class this coming up. We'll be the twenty class and then the twenty one class that gives them three full recruiting classes plus a half class the C can this guy coach really not kidding coach all the Kennedy a head coach. Can you manage pro anywhere all the different hats that it takes to manage a program especially the SEC and have a team that develops that have players developed surround himself the right guy the guys that sit on your staff and as I told you we talked the other day Jeremy still he would tell you he's still learning all the job as the head football coach. I don't think anybody is one hundred percent surprise who is involved in that process in hiring because they knew what they were getting in a guy that would have to learn again as I said learn job to be football coach and that's painful. Sometimes you learn painful lessons and I think that's what we're seeing. Play out a little bit. They'll rocket up traveling to next. Week seems like it's one of those critical games. I mean hardly perhaps never in Tennessee. History has a early October game against Mississippi State been labelled able critical but we all know what it means at Tennessee doesn't win but how does either Pruitt the administration or or someone else. I don't know who that someone else would be. Try to calm the waters. Though if tomorrow is what most people predict it will be and the next week goes goes sideways as well well. I don't think you're going to hear a whole lot more Phillip Fulmer. I think he said his piece. stood behind coats said that he's our guy we believe in. I'm I'm not going to be the coach that chapters over in my life to sort of get that again. I never believed. I don't think you did either. There was ever any real possibility of that but no I don't think anybody there is under the impression that these next few weeks ago. It'd be pretty the way I look at Tennessee schedule going forward. Though fall is good as the League is at at the talk and it's very good for somebody is covered illegal long time of course you cover it long. I had with a nice way of senior. there was a lot everyone right now. There's a lot of teams the bottom. Lee that if Tennessee can improve and get better. I think you're going to see him. Make some changes. Grahn Ron mouth is going to be the quarterback tomorrow the fresh they're going to go with him. See what he can do if they can develop get better. They'll have some chances to win in some games you mentioned Mississippi. Stay at home. There's teams there in the latter part lock Tober November. Certainly the bottom east not look like a drug or not. I think we're GONNA find how how much this staff coats some of these younger players that have been playing probably before they really ready how much they develop how much they're going to be developed up and I think all Tennessee fans certainly the reasonable fan. Just WanNa see a better football team more competitive football t the second half of season. We've seen in the I am Chris. Thanks again. We appreciate it. I know it's not easy trying to comment on story while you're in transit but we've we've. We've strongly felt you were the best person and we know you are the best person on this story thank you we will talk again very very soon. Sure thank politics. Here are being crisslow. Joining US broke the story earlier. Jeremy Banks is done and again at this point. It probably doesn't really matter why he's done speculations all over the map but my best gas and that's all it is is visit. Tennessee discovered something else. It's hard to believe they would have just completely reversed fields after allowing him to play in the wake of this incident to suddenly they say you're. GonNa something else to come up. We are heading to a break. we have more guests up here. Cutting the head basketball coach of the Tennessee men's team. He only had devolves at number one in the country for most of last season he rick Barnes will join US shortly. You're listening to the Paul. Finebaum finebaum show podcast live at Knoxville and just a spectacular day fourth of October still warm but the football weekend has arrived and it's Georgia weekend one of the top teams in the country coming to Knoxville well. The big story three of this week in Knoxville has been the Jeremy Banks situation by now. You've heard the news and just earlier today. Sean McDonough came here. He's doing the game tomorrow night for the SPN and he told us that coach. PRUITT had said that they were working with Jeremy Banks hoping that he would understand what went wrong and then about two hours ago. Chris Lowe tweeted the news that Jeremy Banks has been removed from the football program. We have caught up with with Chris who is heading to the Ohio State Game Tomorrow Chris. Thanks for the time I really do appreciate. It and let's just take it from the top. What what do you know in terms of of why this changed well first of all as you say Columbus for the game tomorrow night and figure UPN on campus there things straight the three alma mater but I guess not well no more. I can't really say I understand the decision I mean I understand the decision but as we both know and you've covered this story all week what what what changed my information fall best best. I understand his Tennessee got more additional information today. Friday there was something else out there another incident other information in combination or when you combine with what happened back in September with Jeremy Banks that they felt like that they needed to move on and that's again I I know that's a little bit vague but I've had a chance to travel to talk to people and that more information coming in regarding Jeremy Banks and maybe another incident or something else and I and I think it's something that happened even before or may have happened even before this last situation which happened. I think week of the Florida and in lieu of that knowing that he made the decision they needed to move on and remove him from the football team. I mean the damage or at least the the the the early damage certainly was done in doubt this is going to change things very much. Chris but it lease it wipes the slate clean in there's no way to really assess the PR aspect of this because it's been a bad week and ultimately Jeremy pruitt will be judged. I suppose on his won loss record but does this change anything no. I don't think it does because you're exactly right. I mean these are the kind of thing that happened and a lot of frozen throughout the country. When you're winning big. They tend to not be as big a deal when you're not winning and certainly when you're struggling the way. Tennessee has there'd uneven. It's an even bigger deal remember. We talked about this. The other day. He got a second year head football coach the athletic director. You've got an interim press it on campus a lot of eyeballs on on everybody and you know when you have these type of PR hits. It's not certainly the way you would draw up. I think in this case again based on the few people outside to they got this information today. This is not something that Jeremy pruitt or Tennessee Athletic Department but again on my information knew about until the day when they got it. They said you know what we really. Don't have Joyce. We got to move on and Chris. I know we're getting beyond what we know. We're speculating here but I would think in early interest where you had to say that from the PR standpoint if word had gotten right now that there was more here than that would that would only mushroom the bad pr that Jeremy Pruitt has suffered so I mean you you have to at least give the university credit for once they learn to this the expedited his departure right and I think that again I think that's exactly what their thought. Process was. All this is something we need to do and again. You know coaches ever. They always give kids every every chance they keep okay and and all kids come from different backgrounds and cultures but you also look at this from the university's perspective tip from your football programs perspective and I think that's what happened here and you're exactly right. They got this information. They move forward and ah this is something they do before today. I WANNA finish up on something. We've talked about today being in town and talking to some people that you would know very well and respect. I I heard them echoing. What what you would told me a couple of days ago about Jeremy. Me Pruitt status and it does seem like what Fulmer said the other day was was obviously an attempt to try to tamp everything down but but I want you to enunciate a little bit more on on Pruitt because it almost doesn't seem as long as the off the field issues. Chris are are are okay that no more embarrassing events occur. The Jeremy Pruitt is going to get at least a reasonable period of time well. There's there's no appetite there right now. Among Administration Phillip Fulmer people that that Phillip Fulmer works for to make any changes with the football. I think they very very much want to give him another recruiting class or to you know he's had one full recruiting class. The nineteen class this coming up. We'll be the twenty class. The twenty one class gives them three full recruiting classes plus a half class the C. Can this guy coach. Everybody not kidding coach. Paul Kennedy maybe ahead code can he manage anywhere all the different hats that it said it takes to manage a program especially the SEC and have a team that develops billups players development surround himself the right guy the guy that fiddling staffed as I told you when we talk the other day. I think Jeremy still he would tell you he's still learning all the job as the head football coach and I don't think anybody is one hundred percent surprise who was involved in that process in hiring because they I knew when they hear what they were getting in a guy that would have to learn again as I said learn all the job to be football coach and that's painful sometimes you you learn painful lessons and I think that's what we're seeing. Play out a little bit rocky. You're traveling to next. Week seems like it's it's. It's one of those critical games and hardly perhaps never in Tennessee. History has a early October game against Mississippi State been labelled critical critical but we all know what it means at Tennessee doesn't win but how does either Pruitt the administration or or someone else I don't donahue that someone else would be try to calm the waters though if tomorrow is what most people predict it will be and the next week goes goes sideways as well. I don't think you're going to hear a lot more Phillip Fulmer I think he said his piece stood behind his coat that he's our guy we believe in him. I'm not going to be the coach. That chapter is over my life to sort of get that again. I never believed I don't think you did either. There was ever any real possibility of that but no I don't think anybody there is under the impression that these next few weeks ago. It'd be pretty the way I look at Tennessee schedule going forward though ball is good as the league is at Ta at the top and it's it's very good for somebody has covered illegal long time of course you covered it longer than I had a nice way of senior older. there was a lot everyone right right now. There's a lot of teams. There's a bottom. Lee that if Tennessee can improve and get better. I think you're GONNA see make some changes grandma's. It'll be the quarterback tomorrow the fresh they're gonNA go with him. See what he can do if they can develop get better. They'll have some chances to win some games. Thank you mentioned Mississippi. Stay at home. There's teams there in the latter part of October November. Certainly the bottom of the East is not like a juggernaut. I think we're GONNA find out how how much this staff coat some of these younger players that have been playing probably before they were really ready how much they develop how much they're going to be developed. and I think all Tennessee fans certainly reasonable fan just want to see a better football team more competitive football t the second half of these. We've seen the first Chris thanks again. We appreciate it. I know it's not easy trying to comment on a story while you're in transit but we strongly felt you were the best person and we know you are the best person on this story thank you we will talk again very very soon. She would think politics here crisslow. Joining US broke the story earlier. Jeremy Banks is done and again at this point. It probably doesn't really matter why he's done on speculations all over the map but my best guess and that's all it is is Tennessee. She discovered something else. It's hard to believe they would have just completely reversed fields after allowing him to play in the wake of this incident to suddenly say you're. GonNa have to come up. We are heading to a break. we have more guests up here. Cutting the head basketball coach of the Tennessee men's team he only yeah devolves at number one in the country for most of last season he rick Barnes will join US shortly listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast ask no one's been part of more first days of work than Carl Hart and in the same way rookies have to keep earning respect car heart never stops earning the respect of hardworking people like you from building rugged dear. That's tougher than any. I are worst day of work to reengineering the classics to outworked future. Trust your car hearts to keep doing their job long after you begin doing yours since eighteen eighty nine car hearts got your back twenty four seven visit car heart dot com forward slash. CFP We're back in Knoxville and we talked to coach Harper earlier and I don't want to take anything away from the football program but basketball AL ruled the winner here in in a big time way is the tendency evolves were the number one team in the country for a great part of the the the the winner and certainly made quite a run in the end up like Barnes with us the head coach and a couple years ago when we first started talking here I I ask. You I know I know you had confidence in your ability but in your wildest dreams did you think this program would rise to where it currently sits you know I. I don't know if I saw the way way we did it would happen but the facts of the matter is we recruited. Some guys were much better than people thought and they they worked really hard. They put the time I'm in and they start to believe in each other and we got to go on and but it's been great. The fans here have been great but those guys really did work hard and they believe in themselves and took us to some places. I'm not sure if people thought we'd get their quick and the story is is is well established but a couple of the right after the the the Celtics took grant Williams he came by our studio which is not too far from from his house and he went through the they're recruiting for about one hundred time but it's still remarkable. You still have to make that decision. You know desma. Oliver had known on grant when he was a kid. I was the associate assistant coach at UNC Charlotte and when they change the staff's there and we hired Desmond from there he knew grant and and he said all I can tell you coach is he wins. I don't care who he plays against. He is not effective and he wins and that's kind of what he's done. Remarkable and recruiting continues to go well no that's pretty critical aspect and I really interested in your approach because there are certain programs that that go one way and then Tennessee under you has gone a little bit differently when the one thing that we wanted to do was make sure that we got to kind of players that we felt would fit in with what we wanted to do here and how we wanted to play and and we we believe in what we do as a staff and but as you know as as you start winning a lot more doors open for you but we're going to continue to make sure that we get to Kinda guys that we think will fit with what we're trying to do with our culture here and and what we're trying to create eight and I've got a very experienced staff. I think I've got the best staff of the country. These guys know what we want and they're willing to go out and do the work and do be diligent about.
Hour 3: David Ubben & Calls
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It's funny in fact, We're about to talk about Tennessee with an our next guest I think if I think Philip. Philip former made a great decision a couple of years ago, and and bring in Jeremy Pruitt and I think that's been backed up especially. In the recruiting for David I've been joins us from the athletic. He covers that beat so. David caller was just asking about the Tennessee evolves Before we get to some of the meatier issues. on the table It has been an extraordinary couple months for Jeremy Pruitt, him. It has been solely good vibe since the one in four star. You know you win six games in a row. Close strong, top ten recruiting class, and now they're sending the top by trying to hang onto. That bought the twenty twenty one class. So the roster is indisputably a lot better than it was. What two and a half years ago and now you just got to make wins I. think that jump from five to eight is not that hard. I think a lot of programs make that eight to ten, a little harder ten to twelve and thirteen ninety. Make that and so step one of the Jerry Ferrara I. Suppose is done, but encouraging signs who two years. David Want I want to get to a couple of things it'd be before we get to the issues that Phillip Fulmer and everyone there has. I know coach former made a statement a few weeks ago. About his optimism of the season I've heard it disseminated at many many ways. You may know more than I do. And also, in relation to his hope that there would be full stadiums that comment got a lot of attention around the country. I don't know how much of it was justified Can you address that for a second because I'm sure you've had an opportunity to to learn more about it than I have. Yeah, I mean I thought some of the uproar about that was a little bit silly. Because ultimately Tennessee is just not going to entertain the idea that the season is not to be anything other than twelve games full season until it's officially not that's not about being reckless, or you know bullheaded about the realities facing, but I think you know just from what I understand it since financial decision because they believe they can get refunds to their ticket holders a lot easier than well. We only sold thirty thousand, and now we're allowed to put sixty. Sixty thousand people in the stadium. We got sell thirty thousand tickets in two weeks. They know that then near impossibility, so I think until things were officially. They weren't gonNA publicly entertain the idea, but they've been dealing with contingencies behind the scenes. You know for quite a while but yeah. I thought some of the uproar. Some of the you know some about that was probably not great, but I do think the interesting question and not specifically former explicitly, but the interesting question is how much because a lot of schools took that. Approach, how much that idea of everything is normal contributed to sort of the laws airfare attitude toward the virus that we've seen for a lot of folks. Haven't taken it quite as seriously as maybe you would've liked I. Don't know the answer to that question I I think it's an interesting one but you know I think as we have the element of time. We can look back on this I. Think we're GONNA hopefully learn a lot of lessons, and emerge with a wiser society ideally. And that's a big topic here. David not to drag you into it, but but there there there does seem to be this. This two states of mind out there the one that. Will be a twelve game season. One hundred thousand people will fill Neilan stadium and then the ones that that we we hear hear often There won't be a season, and there's no chance to in in the world that it will happen, and it's really hard to to make the to meet. It is I mean I think You know for a long time. I was pretty optimistic about the Games are going to be played. Fans will see. It might be different one week to another from state to state. You just don't know but now I think is. You're seeing the rise in cases, and so many states, and you're seeing you know obviously Greg, thank. You talked a little bit about the politicization of of all this stuff, and obviously that they need the cases they go down and I don't know that you're going to have a local governments do much between now on the season to to sparked something like that. I. Mean I honestly have not been? You know this sort of pessimistic about the idea of the season happening. Then I've been in a long time I think in. March felt so far away. They'll figure something out, or you know this they'll. It'll come together somehow I think I've always felt like so much money at stake. They're just GONNA. Push through and do what they can, but now you're seeing sort of the baby steps toward fewer and fewer games it's it's looking bleak fall. It's looking bleak. And That's a good word. and you wrote about that in your in your latest. Because you know, this is almost a death by a thousand cuts. We learned that may not happen. That game may not happen then who knows how many will happen? But what is going on, Charlotte was the first game as a huge payday for an ascending program program. Is really someone come out of nowhere? And you know even though Sankey said yesterday that has not been determined yet. Very few people believed games like that are going to be played. Yeah it is and I think it's it's GonNa, be interesting, you know. There's so many of those paycheck. Games that you know result a lot of gate revenue, and of course TV revenue for the bigger schools, but those checks are really important to smaller program. That's why those games get played and why? There's so many people lining up to to get that seven-figure payday and I wrote about how genesee. Contracts specifically cites a pandemic as a reason for they can be able to walk away from that contract now the interesting thing about this Paul I've had I've heard from more lawyers than I. Probably would have liked heard from in in the last. Thirty six hours story ran and one idea that they threw by me. Because obviously, the smaller schools are going to be really really desperate for money there's going to be. Everyone's going to be dealing with a budget crunch. and one thing that brought up was well maybe. Some of these smaller schools are going to to pursue that money anyway and say well the reason for these games, not being cancelled not because of the pandemic because of local government failure and point to around the globe will they're playing sports? They're playing sports. The NBA Playing Baseball Slang, and yet we can't play. It's not the pandemic solved the government's fault and that's not. Not covered. It's provocative strategy, but you know when these schools are getting desperate and you've got lawyers. I can't say that I'd be shocked if you heard something like that I. Don't know if you know necessarily. Tennessee would be dealing with something like that, but you know there's so many of these games, so many of these contracts. Some of them are bound to get messy. And just the one the US looked into I. Mean we always hear the conversation about money games, but? How much? Are these games worth. A lot I mean you talk about pretty good chunks in percentages of schools revenue? I mean so Charlotte sign for one point. Three million dollars troy one point four million dollars German as an SDS school, five hundred thousand dollars to come to Neilan stadium and play. Those are pretty typical numbers. Those kind of slowly risen you know ten years ago fifteen years ago, the seven digits weren't quite popular, but now that's pretty much market value for for those games, so that's a lot of money, and if you're a for Charlotte or a troy. You can't just scrounge up. You know one point three million dollars out of thin air. You don't have sort of magic booster that some of these schools do even they're dealing with the financial implications of of doing with the virus so I mean it's just. You wake up every morning and it just it bad for everyone every single person in the country and in the globe. Nobody's winning here. Just lose. Lose lose everywhere and again. You know not to Belabor the the the point, but it's just. It's just bleak everywhere. Finally before you go David it is bleak, and and you know we. We were trying to figure this all day yesterday and Twenty four hours later. We're still in the same spot Do you have any better understanding? Where the SEC is to single them out in terms of the next two or three weeks. What are they? What are they looking to determine is in a season is at a conference play or is it? To be continued. I mean I think it's everything that they can. You know I think it's. It was interesting when Chris! You're saying he was talking about that. They're gonNA take into. It's not so much for the last six months or or along with. A lot of the conversations. How many cases are on your roster? It was interesting when he talks about. It's more about for the community and the surrounding area, and so when you look at the numbers, and you're looking all these cases rising and hospitalizations rising, it's. you know. I. It feels like a fourth and fifteen situation, and they're hoping that maybe something really good can happen, and maybe you know people are changing their behavior and helping some of these numbers go down, but unless things are sort of mandated by local government, but I don't know that that's going to happen and I think you know if you're starting roll back. Some of these phases and lockdown more and more things you know especially in in in places around the south I don't think that's GonNa play very well, and when you have so many politicians as well that. Are you know turning the page and looking at reelection and? What two months you know. They're not gonNA WANNA. Make their constituency in furious at them even if that means costing them football. You know it's just again. Nobody's GonNa win here. and I you know you hope against hope that football can be played the season's GonNa get off, and at least like something, and maybe you can play a conference only schedule and hope that's the case, but you know you start looking at where things are now the trend line. You're asking yourself. How does this game better I? Don't know the answer to that. Question is one thing that anybody's willing to do right now. Great Conversation David thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it. Thank you very very much. Thank fall. Sorry to drag the showdown, but That's GonNa Right. We're glad to hear from you. I'm David covers Tennessee for the athletic and If you think he dragged it down, wait for our next guest Pete Tamil joining us in an hour. He wrote the other day. That college football is a four touchdown underdog in terms of getting the season and we'll take a break. Join just later. Your phone calls continue. Listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. 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Most respected college football writers in the country. Logan is up next in North Carolina. Logan. Paul. How are you doing today? We are doing great things. Actually today's a big day in our old stomping grounds the old heart of Dixie I. Guess What is it? Tommy Tupperware burst. But Yeah I really I must say as a political myself I I regret not doing a local show in Alabama today. That would be pretty exciting. I mean it. It's going to be huge I'm actually as a former resident I actually under to see what what's happening, but I wanted to talk to you about a little bit about a caller. You had a few few calls. he was talking about. You. Know College kids making the decision to play. and. I think that's. That's a bit much to expect. Might that's what eighteen to twenty, two, Eighteen, twenty, one? Whatever the age? To make that decision I mean they have to have an advocate I think probably ninety five percent of the people that team probably think that are gonNA. Make the pros. So, of course, they're going to play. They don't WanNA lose the season. so that was kind of weird that they got. All this Logan and you just first of all I think we ought to hear from young people but we know the answer before we call. Everyone that's part of this decision has a vested interest. That's one of the issues I think that we have and was a decision this important. it would be. I would like to see some neutrality, and that's why I hope. That when conferences rely on the when they when they talked to medical people, we're going to talk to an epidemiologist tomorrow, so listen to these people and say what is your best recommendation had not not. Can we do it? How can we do it safely? Exactly? I think that that that's probably a big deal and that's one thing. I I I was kind of happy to hear a Greg thank you say. I mean. At least if they try to go to the season now, they'll have uniform testing. And you know I've heard some stuff when your show. The Guy was talking to their day about maybe staggering the season. Two weeks. A lot of good ideas now they're all so. I would be happy at the season lasted for eight months. Logan I mean college. Football is pretty important all of us, but I think I think you have to leave some room. That's why you're eliminating the the money. Games because you have to have a spot on your schedule. If things. Change I talked to somebody today. WHO said that Assuming! We get to September. I mean you literally could have a reboot of schedules every couple of weeks. So. The reason I say that is when you get your fill. Steele's magazine today the schedule he has in there won't be the schedule. We haven't a couple of weeks. I can almost guarantee that it's really interesting. That was a great interview with Kinky He's he should run for office the because he's a good politician. He was definitely avoiding. Showing his hand yesterday, so I thought. I mean. It's a challenge to interview. Someone like that. My goal is is to get information Be Respectful, but when you're in his position. And everything you say magnified. You better be careful. Yeah exactly I mean I thought you did a great job. It was definitely a little bit more enlightening than the Mardi McGee interview. When I would, I would like more than anything. in somebody has one. I would like taper the meeting yesterday. Between the Commissioner of the eighties, I would really like to. Here as a win around the room, what people were saying? Yeah well. Maybe they made. He's like Nixon and he records that. We get. Not Not to not to play Watergate Can you top this, but I I bet? We bet if something was said we would have an eighteen and a half minute gap. Here and guaranteeing you the the more popular in the South Any Watergate hearings so that would be low. You're no, have you on? Thank you very. You Bet John is up next. Hey John Great to have you with us. Hey John Good afternoon. John did not answer the Bell Joe. How about another John? This one's in Mississippi Hey John. Powell. Don. Yeah, I'm I'm glad to hear that dear John. The Mississippi Junior College Athletic Association canceled. Foul football this year. I did hear that. In Mississippi has one of the most you know. Active junior college programs in the country. Yes no question about that. But they plan to play. A spring sched- you. Yeah I think some schools just really have no choice but to put it off. I mean some leagues. And and I would say the junior colleges. It's going to be I don't know the ramifications of that, but could be pretty severe. understand that the junior college is play. With hardly any gate receipts it. Almost all of their funding comes from the college, budget. So. That's not an issue. Yeah. I guess my point is what does it mean to the players? Though I guess they play in the spring. They'll still have an opportunity to To get to a college, but the problem is the. They'll be getting there late. I. Think that will make any difference actually? Okay well listen I do appreciate you calling and be well. Jim is up next. Hey, Jim, thanks for the call. Welcome to the program. Able Fall Hey. Here's my question for you. If if both seasons are canceled, Collagen and high school. Do you give the grant an extra year for the High School? Kids and college kid in his soul. As a high school parent, you encourage your kids to stay one more year high school, or do you encourage them to go college? And then it's so. How does that affect the recruiting process? Yeah, that's A. That's a great question. I think in I, think in college. You're going to have to give some leniency for those who want it. I don't know how you do it in high school, though I if your if your son theoretically is a senior and he does his. He does his work, but doesn't play football I mean. How can you keep them there another year? So he will do like dual enrollment, you know. Why he's in high school, I guess the or at least at one more semester. So, yeah, I, just I do not understand. What High School statutes are like but I I would be pretty surprised if If, they let a senior. Come back for another you would, you would just have an. A glut of players. Would you not? Yeah, but then does that affect him. 'cause like say if he's to. Clemson and they needed a quarterback. Whatever trevor leave well now. They don't need one trip state. Like how does how do you think all of that well? Yeah, I mean here's. College college is different for the player. I mean most most coaches whether it's dabbling. Sweeney or Sabin or anyone else want their players there. In January for obvious reasons. They want them to go through off season workouts. They want them to be there for spring That's the new normal. It's not for everyone. I mean there are some players that show up late, but that's not the way the best coaches prefer it, so if you're in high school you probably are, and you're a good player You're probably getting out of there as fast as possible. I appreciate it Paul Hey. Thank you great to have you on We have another ninety minutes ago. We look forward to talking to all of you when we come back. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. For businesses around the world, today isn't a restart. It's a rethink that's why they're partnering with IBM to Change. How they were from supply chains to customer service. Let's put smart to work visit IBKR DOT com slash smart to learn more. We welcome you back. It's great to have you only mentioned a couple of hours ago. that Scott Stricklin. Announced earlier today to his staff, he is the athletic director. At the University of Florida that he had tested positive earlier for Cova doing great In fact, it is in the past He also met the media. He had come number of things to say earlier today when he met with the media in Gainesville. We have to balance the importance of their wellbeing along with our mental wellbeing, and the thing that I took from that and some other conversations is student athletes. They do WANNA play games. And You know there's a lot of challenges in front of us right now and how we make that happen. but we you know we. Use a baseball analogy we owe it to athletes to try to run out every ground ball to figure out a way that we can get to the point where we can't play games and we can't have competition from them. But understanding. We're not gonNA. Do that until we get the point. That we are their health and wellbeing and safety is in his good environment as we can, we can make and we discussed on there. Let's get back to call. Get to. Hit the right buttons. Ken is in Philadelphia Hey. Can I grab you on? Thank you. Mr Fane Bomb. Yes good afternoon. Good afternoon! This is Ken from Philadelphia. You know I've been listening so many times talking about the school, but think of the small community that this is going to affect. If they cannot have. If, they cannot have college football. It's going to really affect the small town Knoxville the Schools of I mean Oxford in Starkville The towns will go under. They depend on college football You know d like eighty percent sixty to eighty percent of their revenue for the year. what's going to happen to these towns? No one's really understanding the financial impact. It's GonNa have on these communities the airports restaurants everything is there to be any kind of stimulus package that we can obviously give to these people at these. Small mom and pop stores, mom and pop restaurants. I know many of their going under. They're really going to go under. If we do not find a way to have some kind of sports, think about college football going, but the college basketball they can't survive. They just cannot survive. You can I think you're right? I, mean there. And I don't want to minimize. The damage that's already Infected so many people in this country we all know it. and I and my heart went out to the gentleman that called in earlier. WHO's in the food business? Because that is one of the hardest hit we all we all try to support. Our favorite places, but it's not easy to do right now. There's only so much TAKEOUT does not pay the bills like sitting in a restaurant. And ordering. Items, but you're correct You know just in the SEC alone. The smaller towns in particular. The TUSCALOOSA, the Oxford's the stark falls. And some of the bigger cities can maybe do a little better the capitals like Nashville obviously and Baton Rouge But this. The small towns are going to have a very hard time. Well Oliver Hotel which is located in Knoxville. It's a wonderful Boutique Hotel. They're worried because they can't. They cannot make it. They just aren't going to be able to make it. There's usually booked solid by this time for the football. Season has to as of today there. They don't have any bookings at all. And that is a sad sad situation. Blackberry in blackberry, harm and wall in Tennessee is usually mazing. No No, I've. been to blackberries, one of the one of the coolest places I've ever been to. It's not happening Mr Finebaum for them, and they are worried sick. They are worried, very. It's GonNa. Push them all to the end. And I know there's other main things to worry about, but my goodness gracious we've got to do. Something looks like we could find some. Listen I mean I I'm. I'm proud to work for a very large. Company that's that's global, but we're all suffering and I'm particularly concerned because we we're in the radio business. I mean we're. We're on sports stations all over the country What's going to happen there? It's the same thing no matter where you go. It affects people and it affects jobs, and it affects it, and that's why Rightly or wrongly so many public officials have worked so hard to try to get this country open we. We talked to five governors. In the state of In the months of May about the reopening, and every one of them was excited and energetic, and and felt like they were doing the right thing. Well, thank you very much for taking my phone call I just say a prayer every night for these for this whole thing, it's just it's just so incredibly devastating for the for the people. I feel so sorry for the people. Thank you, Mr Bond make. You can always great to hear from you Daryl is up next Daryl. Thanks great to have you on. Thank, Paul how how're you doing? I am well. I hope you are. On Great Bill Listening until you late eighty. Oh my goodness! Well, thank you, thank you, Sir putting up with me all those years. I'm the one that ran into Bob Marley son after we beat Miami for no, do remember that call. That was great. Yeah, that's been a long time, but I had a question I haven't really heard anything about the covid spread among military. And Dolly raising I bring that up is because. Not Comparing football some the our servicemen and women, but They're confined in a space and. That would be what would happen if ball started right. I mean I I have seen some conversation about military and I mean they I, mean they. They have the same issues and everyone i. don't think it's Fortunately, I don't think it's been as severe. but I. Don't know those numbers very well and I'm not sure any of us do. Right and I mean I was just wondering because you know never here, you know this only army, cadets or whoever Tested positive or whatever which is really really important, but I was trying to see. If maybe there was a reason, they're not getting it and other people are now I know all of Alabama players are spread out and other colleges, but you know Alabama I naturally are spread throughout the country so are. Are we saying that after a football game with no fans in the stadium? That many bryce young can't hug his mother after the game. Yeah I mean that's to me is a real issue because? I I understand the frustration. I understand the reality that young people are doing considerably better with this than than any other age group. Right. But young people have parents and grandparents, and and that's to me where it comes down, I don't know young I I know a lot of football. Players for a past and present. And I don't know one that wants to Make anyone else sick Family. And they're from all over the country. That's your thing. You can't say we're GONNA. Play just in the south because. we're going to stay in the south because a lot of our players are from California Hawaii Maryland. Yeah, here, here's. Where here's the thing I don't I don't know the protocol for that I. Think if you go back to what the commissioner said yesterday. know he talked about testing and and that that is the issue. I think to get a protocol in that that is going to be successful. But I I would. I would think another protocol would be the you're not going to be able to. You, you're going to have to you know, stay fairly confined. And I I don't know how many parents are going to be allowed at these games I mean I have no idea right now. I wouldn't think very many. I've got a suggestion. bring back the dorms. Table that are positive are on the upper floor or two. People that are a symptomatic are on the next to people that are nine. To the tested negative on the bottom floor. So that day, everybody on the first floor goes out in the second and third or third stays in the room. Yeah well. I'm sure they're they're. They're working on that. Hey, thank you very much for the call. Do appreciate it. John is calling next in Florida John. Thanks great to have you on. That was my fault I've not learned how to hit buttons. After thirty years in Radio John is up next. Hello John. John you there. I hear people but I. Don't hear John. We'll try. Another caller David is up next. David Go right ahead. Well. Thank you Paul. Thank you Yeah, you know. Everybody's wringing their hands thing. What can we do we do? Well there's. Possibilities, I don't know you may think my is a crazy, but. What if we limited ten minutes? At the stadiums. Required wearing masks. That would still generate revenue for the colleges. That was still keep television providers such as ESPN CBS ABC. Televising a game, right? Well let me make something clear The Games are going to be televised whether there are whether there's one hundred thousand people in the or nobody understands. Well. If, they were limited fans and they had to wear masks. Well I know the cost of tickets. Allow me to jump in for one thing. I I think he I don't think fans are anywhere near the near the conversation and trying to get college football. I frankly think it's pretty I. don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm going to I. Don't think fans are high on the priority list right now. I think making sure that players are safe is number one and the people around the players and I know this fan. Conversation was big two or three months ago. I don't think it's part of the conversation right now. If we get off, we get off and have some success, and then, and then I think fans become a bigger part of the conversation, but. You bring the fans into it and you're ratcheting up the concerns of these schools I. Think Right now. They would just like to stage a football game. with to two football teams, and the fans will come later I mean I know that You're racing NASCAR, bringing fans back at a pretty high number how they manage i. we'll take a break We are back with much more. After this. You're listening to Paul. FINEBAUM show podcast. For businesses around the world. Today isn't a restart. It's a rethink that's why they're partnering with IBM to Change How they were from supply chains to customer service. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT COM slash smart to learn more, and we welcome. You back is great to have all of you here and Thamel joining us with the top of the next hour. Let's check out bill? Who is in Florida hey bill. How're you doing today? We're doing great. I think probably my opinion is going to be contrary to most people, but I just don't feel. that. Football is the most important thing on the table right now. The most important thing is curing this country. From this corona virus. And It's just We've kind of lost focus on. What is the most important thing? And Let me. Let me let me jump in here for a second I. Agree it is pretty important, but there's really some great news out today About vaccines and antibodies I mean there are million pharmaceutical companies working on it but in terms of what. Fourteen athletic directors and our commissioner of this league and every other league. I mean what what are. What are they supposed to be doing right now? You know I mean I don't mean to minimize it. They supposed to be out there, handing out water, or or are they supposed to be doing their jobs trying to figure out? had a salvage their own athletic departments. Well I understand what you're saying I mean you. You know you're being paid to do a job and when I say you I'm talking about. These these commissioners coaches etcetera. And It's just that I don't know. Here's the commerce, but once I mean at some point you may be right because the testing issue is critical and. Then you get into the conversation bill. Are The test for the professional athletes for the college athletes for the the the. NFL is taking away from from you and me. But until that point I think. Everyone is entitled to try to. Make their own their own situations workout just like I am and I mean I'm I work every day It's not the it's not as easy as it was for months ago to put this show on, but we're doing it We have some bumps along the way, but everyone has to adjust whether you own a restaurant doing out or or convenience, store or anything else. I understand that but well. You know I've heard a lot of criticism about. European countries. Have defeated this to a much greater degree than we have. and. It's very simple why. If. You've never been to Europe. He wouldn't understand this with the people over. There have a much greater respect for the law. And when A. Law says you don't do this. They don't do that. Bill Bill let me ask you this I agree with you. been to Europe and it's it's an incredible place. I happen to like living here better though. My question to you though is who's breaking the law right now. Well. Okay there. Hasn't been any eight thing. As far as legislating you can't do this. You can't do that. But the issue the issue bill the issues. If governors the governor, Florida has an issued a mask mandate. Alabama they put out. Suggestions but if these these are I mean where I live. You have to wear a mask when you go out. And we're still having problems. But I, don't I it the the the the issue with leadership. It's not with the public The public If if if I don't have to do something by law, why should I do it? I mean I? Don't mean it that way. I understand the health benefits, but but I think you know in terms of. People disregarding the law I. Don't think that's happening I. Think people are just simply disregarding science right now. Well you know everyone has rights. But evidently not too. Many of them have responsibilities to go along with it. Well again. I don't want to argue I mean I. Think we'll, we'll save it for constitutional law class one on one which begins right after the sugar was off the air, we'll be right back.
Ep 148 | Hillary Clinton WATCH: Will She Jump into the 2020 Race?
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Leeson we're watching horror movies we have a state of fear and anxiety it makes us stronger feelings of sexual attraction towards other people when you're frightened there's an increase the thing that blows my mind is people WanNa send you these long messages of how disappointed they were in something that you said which again it's a it's a there's that there's that but there it's brief is just one liner stuff you're not going to you're not using vulgar okay so you don't like scary movies now I hate them I can't wait to see the new doctor sleep shining bright little Dan's all grown up the book was fantastic they'll probably ruin it in the movie I'm in just look at the previews the word penis wants one time tar show much thousand vagina hat rallies yeah that's still not sick the hormones adrenaline and cortisol the blood is pumped more forcefully the muscles and extremities just like when you're feeling randy when we're scared gradually now the woman getting hit prehistoric rookies suck I don't ask them woman is getting hit with a club it ain't right the each other NA- Nobel out it'll McQueen Biden's done they all said she was most qualified candidate to run how do you back that up how do you draw back from that and also Jesus People Are Idiots both idiots well told her I said well it wasn't about sex and I said you have because as long as she's wearing a memo she's not running the pantsuits come out it's time yeah yeah that's tough I would you ever by yourself I will read the book it was great I don't like Stephen King as a human but I do have read all of his books you're entertained I'm entertained his art sitter like moving to another country now now love America yeah I mean where else in America can you have the American Dream I was talking about AFC period. I would never leave here even if it were well I hope it's never in my socialist but you never know socialism leads to bad bad things and that's a privilege that's way she can stay relevant is to get in the race and it's her turn it's been stolen for Barack and now trump it's now her turn in look her her I said logical clock was ticking and my show the other day but really her political clock is ticking she's got one more chance yeah this is it believe me she's she gonna run she's going to run it's GonNa be exciting though can you they're going to have to battle it out no everybody leaves when Hillary Company Oh yeah I think they're just trying to destroy it just pulled extremities that's that's that we run faster that's what else aren't you fast when we're scared I know I'm feeling Randy just talked the race yes yeah talked about today GonNa have absolutely one hundred percent yes yeah she just can't allow another woman to be present butthole and relax go being sexual again they're they're you win that's that lady that complained if it wasn't for the endorsed Bernie Sanders she was a bartender she's now a congresswoman where else in the world could you do that yeah he only in America not only that she is not relevant unless trump is president detroit she's completely irrelevant so she had the only it you Thank you I hate those I I've never know it scares me anything make you only I mean maybe but not being scared yeah by his old art I'm not even sure to guy writes his own stuff anymore probably you know the live on the planet but Dr Sleep is of course the sequel to the I've started taking about comedies up here yeah I don't even do that really more talk about getting getting touched by billionaire maybe and we all know she's full of it well that's true I'm just wondering where she's putting it because I don't know what's up with all the members remember I've always said we're on Hashtag Mouawad Yard work or you know you know doing some kind of manual labor whatever she said Yeah now you see how the rest of the world works you know yeah and I'm like yeah well if the guys out there Lanta that you can come close to doing what we do here in America yeah I have Steve can't even get the intro right now Steve has been doing this podcast for year with this crew ought again Elizabeth Warren said that now all these billionaires they need to be taxed and they used infrastructure and everything else and they didn't build it again we got that whole deal coming back again in the mountains who's this Randy Guy Randy under repealing randy today elbows he's in a little bit more Steve You know trying to get all the cans yeah we know it wasn't about Kansas at that point we talked about this kid that did the ut shirt got picked on what other time could you make a living doing what we do right but but it is what we do is hard work and you know it's there's a lot that goes into it got the recliners in the AMC and you fill your arm you can get real close yeah yeah for that Galley Hillary Clinton's GonNa go in digging ditches if they want they making millions of dollars I mean you don't equate there's a different type of work you know there's a lot that goes into it so yeah you do work which is really weird because I work pretty hard I know you work hard nobody's making our money now an ESA thing I know that people look around in there I mean where else in the world and found a Barbie Barbie Fashion Easter number one twenty-one you know what's significant about that Barbie got a prosthetic leg there's a prosthetic leg you think he's got a colostomy bag members now that's great I don't I don't want to know about our colostomy bag maybe she it's different from that if you go with him remember what it can lead to Randy server next longer and word to do what we do but what else are you gonNa do that no-one you're GonNa do that there is nowhere on this I think it's great when when I worked trauma at Harris comes on another no it had to be on your lap I you know the blood goes to the extremities right massive heard it's what happens what happens Oh my God. He don't even know the nicknames another puppet Master Nick I know the puppet master nickname forget it I mean come I'm hurt overhear pert privilege of being here but I feel like sometimes they feel like it should automatically be that way you shouldn't really have to work hard to get to where you're at and you didn't work hard to get the Reagan. The got entangled in the trams from the amniotic sac so anyway they had to take it off but anyway she yes so she donated four hundred of the barbies to a hospital and Yeah he looks it doesn't ever get his feelings hurt astor hugging get up and go down Geez I don't know if you Barbie dirty jokes Oh keep them clean near though today Oh yeah come on now come on we know all about Barbie why she can't be pregnant because Ken comes in another he he's he's an adulterer are Barbie even married I mean do they have so she donate him got him at the local Walmart only had four the doll mom put in a call for donations on social media and that's what happened Curtis humane scape out in their Barbie with the prosthetic like that's kind of cool though in this story I mean Barbie yeah why not wind never pregnant Barbie right they have a magnet the magnetic stomach and US pop it off in the baby and my grandmother used to always say I've always made a living running my mouth in some form or fashion fantastic it's great and my grandmother my grandmother she used to sail because if she saw me doing you month or two ago about the Woke Society Yeah I'm actually amazed the woke society has gotten to Barbie Yeah because we're not supposed to you know her gender pretty every day but she's special Steve Steve Don't don't hug the woman okay that's not you always have to her and Mr advertiser got together and said let's let's come up with a doll that has everything and then just like your tall that had everything gotta have the phone gotTa have the dog gotTa have and so they grew up with this mindset of gotTa have everything we gotTa have collected more than four hundred thirty prosthetic leg barbies donated them all to shriners. Now here's the question I like kids like that did a podcast with you Chad I blame I blame what you got we get one that's on the shopping list the Sam Adams Twenty eight proof and then the gender-neutral Barbie going to the store today look at it bullied and then the universe Tennessee came out the stir and you know they log great stuff came out of that little story but here's another one there's a teenager back in the nineteen forties early fifties the baby boom happened right and so there was there was a thing where Mr Mr Dahl made imitates practice and so when you grew up with that and people think I'm crazy for thinking this but I really do think this like we we grew up playing with toys that had to be accessorized and so what everything we've got accessorize our life and that's what's wrong you because you know life imitates art or imitates play he has one leg she was she was born without a leg she and Emilio Emini Arctic Band Syndrome so it became she had both legs but then falls avid divorce Barbie comes with everything Ken used to have I thought you were going to tell a dirty joke there for where we live in because again we feel like I need to accessorize them I should be able to pick and choose the results of my life and everything that I get and that's why we have you know I love you the blame I blame Mattel for a lot of our world's problems I blame Barbie I really do because because let me tell you what happened in watch and do it but it's true I mean I I truly believe it so like there was a professor at the University of Georgia where I went to school last year we do we are is our life and we feel like victims if we don't have all the accessories Yup that's true but the mood is not a virtue people need that the new awesome has to have the kid has to have the boyfriend has to have all of this stuff and so what happened is we had this whole generation of people who grew up playing with ah sexy Jesus he was quick out of the gate list there it is put him put it on there there you go put it on cute that's cute look at Kansas Kansas pretty bizarre yeah he's he's he's yeah amorphous I don't know what the word is yeah it's probably right probably Jimmy moved down there who you he said if you don't like your grade send me an email I'll change it I saw that and I'm like that that doesn't make sense but that's the gallery we have ms j pray for and who come with her with a cowboy hat on phone and we were talking about that before everything that has to have an accessory so once you get the the one the doll now the doll has had the clothes and Dole has to have a car but yet they've left her as a female to I don't know I mean I haven't bought one to see what it looks like we need to get one candice learn something new every day C C we're not supposed to have a gender neutral gender neutral more to replace the hair and move things around they do I'm so they woke her arrangement or are they just do dolls version there's no rain no no ring finger ring and cans really gender-neutral have you seen that half took your parents thirty years to build it Yep right you think you're supposed to graduate from college in Liz with a degree in kids today who were that's why the next generation is always problematic. Young people will always be problematic because they don't have what their parents look it up really yes we're Unisex intro sex lesbian transsexual by ACE it'll make you gay they will not straighten your teeth people mark is he's not a quilt stop it not a quilt bag sure no Soga sell gb t q r s so lesbian gay Bisexual Trans opened up a chick-fil-a the Lord's Dougie's is British people do some funny things man I would okay well he will now would go out to Hollywood I stay in West Hollywood they call it the boy's town is his name Randy Willie Wpro your skin either unless you put the oil on your skin from it yeah don't they know how good the Lord's chicken tasted it gender queer that would that stands for yes but as new there's new have you heard the newest which bag Quebec Oh my the blood rushes to the extremities anyway LGBTQ I mean the dog after the I'm you know beat be okay with your sexuality and be okay are they gonNA close it down and feel sad for you Britishers no I mean did they ought to make sure everybody is tasted it I have not had the Lord's chicken and now the Sun happen doesn't happen like that you you so you know and then and then when it doesn't happen you feel victim speaking of victims this I'm not woken up no but when I all my options open sexually because I might see a horror movie today and I want to be able to sleep at all of them sexual okay don it hey man that's easier to say put back Quebec will back you gotta you gotTa get woke I mean my agent is gay at we it I love right these family right you watch eight scary movies with them eighty crazy Brits do you ever think of you know whenever I think the Brits I think of Mike Myers when he when he and chips at chick fillet they might have survived middle would be called fish fillet yeah yeah so this chick Monica accident she broke she's she's she's an Olympic inlet man which would make sense if they were refusing to serve quilt bag group almost bags better coming out of your mouth and Kathy and Blah Blah Blah they just he doesn't believe in gay marriage there's a lot of people out there that don't believe in gay marriage by the way ellen degeneres right is an Arrow bags with Germany's thank you for the clarification there it's true it's it's the new term wouldn't lead you straight now I like that that would be on my social media pages they send them to me and asked me to tell you and I appreciate your dilemma and your need but I just don't do it she she's made the Olympics but she's got she doesn't have any money you gotta have she's gotTa have twenty she started a gofundme me which by the way for those of you in this makes people mad quilt bag you're always full of the latest information met law have it all that's why people need to listen to the matlock show try listen that people don't care about your sexuality like you don't have to you you know so anyway they're boycotting and putting all this pressure on chick-fil-a instead so suck it it's almost impossible and Herkus off true I mean you know she's GonNa I'm friends with George W Bush won bronze in fencing two thousand Sixteen Games in Rio Shkodra Twenty one thousand two get the twenty twenty Olympics in Tokyo like I don't understand Oh and I pray to God that never need to do that myself or or anything like that but you know God bless you but I can't do it like so she which w Bush wanted to pass an amendment that forbid gay marriage Donald Trump has done more for the Lgbtq community than any president has before British written knows that the only that was like the first I shake filet right so they've already ran it Outta town they just tore a new one so you know they eat their own way wait wait wait wait wait I have never and refused on I pray to God I never will forever have to never shared a gofundme page on my on my social media Oh who is single traded her dream of working in the medical field for Olympic glory but you know if she worked in the medical field she'd have that money will she'd have job yeah old yeah yeah see I think most Olympics they don't they don't worry training says the Jersey Yeah sure yeah you watch Chad Dot com I'm trying to get out of the it's a baby yeah so anyway no chick-fil-a back to the community I guess was oppressed for so long so now they just really go over the top with everything or so stop sending me links stop sending I will not share them I can't because I promise you if I had if I do one Dumol and if I if I share it I can't I can't bad health or car accident or their husband died you know what I have life insurance if I died my wife's rich come you know because I spent the money and I care about me down the bronze if you'd one goal you wouldn't have this problem slacker she receives three hundred dollars every month it's a stipend from the US Olympic Committee we know you're doing the Olympics every four years you can't train and do a job I mean she's anyway sexy Jesus she needed okay look you got the sword I'm assuming you've got the costume and the mask Get on a plane and go people are not happy by large I mean it's just and I look I I don't care Heasley I don't care if you're gay my thing is I got tons of gay friends I work with the other American has to pay their bills yes she did we become a society where we have to and what do you need beyond just a plane ticket on bronze-medal go after that bronze is in in she makes money refereeing tournaments but I am I what do you what do you need about get a job family to do it but everybody always we always have to feel bad about the people that don't take care of themselves why is his socialist mindset it's and that's that's worry about everybody else's bills well that's right yeah you know what I mean I mean we watch 'em with you I see all these go fund me and I feel bad for people who have fallen into two doc I guess it is more so than I don't know but she won bronze not gold that's what we've heard getting floated around what are you what are you gotta get bronze exactly she doesn't have any mean you've got American hat company there on your head yeah doesn't have the right vicar costume or face masks for not doing that helping your fellow man great but now it go back to the Barbie example go back to the Barba people I mean if you look at what people are so you'll get a sponsor Olympic can I don't know about I don't know about yeah because can you co fencing athletic the way that works like well she got eleven thousand Michael Phelps the swimmer yeah he got all kinds of endorsements and speedo and yeah in Notre words I've ever been smoking shirt jade's where you can get that thing Borghini. SUV Lamborghini Urus while fleeing the police that's a quarter million dollar automobile wait a minute Lamborghini should not have an suv Arafat who's got a legitimate need who's just getting money right so I get them every day all day I mean if I posted all the go fund me said I get sent that's all did they get good chicken they will press from good chicken chicken never hurt anybody now but I know everybody's like Dan you know Dan Steph talking about stupid kids were we talking about stupid kids fourteen caters they get nine wrong place it doesn't make sense to complete your degree once you find out what you can make dancing you can only I don't think most of them to socialist that they're trying to get through college you know I mean thirty seven years old looking at now it looks like a crossover okay okay that would make more sense you're not GonNa show me I'm sorry here just hold it up because Porsche did that they should be involved with that everybody should do that but again me having to take care of your in most cases irresponsibility the I don't feel guilty the trump or something so all of them have it but we don't know that the Subaru Forester had that we don't know that either way he what is wrong with you people in these Australia Kid West Australia plans for nobody goes fourteen year old a stall Babba I've got lots of friends that I don't agree with and everybody's like Oh Plaza applause applause ellen is so she so great except for the gay community here's leak yes senior senior legal thirsty nights you've gotTa Invest Invest Young make smart choices as long as you can live with yourself look I'm all for generosity yeah I'm all for charitable giving yes that's great charitable giving his great everybody tried to flee the scene but obviously the police got him pretty quick charging with four council stealing in two counts of aggravated burglary no injuries reported in the incident so hey maybe it moves can reach speeds of almost three feet per second which means the equivalent of a cat running one hundred twenty miles an hour the most educators do she could be an exotic dance above most most educators are getting her masters degree that's why they're doing it drive over there will you still your first car sexy Jesus Seventeen fourteen need a quick complain in here in Texas then we only get to like one thirty child's play two moves thirty three point six inches per second forty seven strike seventeen but you you almost went to jail for stealing attractor right correct the tractor different thing what tractor did you try to St that is on the Saharan I'd run fast to remember back when I used to run a hundred and forty degrees Fahrenheit godless teens back into the church it's a click to pray rosary under nine dollars whatever it takes there's the Catholics are trying to you won't piss off some more Catholics today Steve Well I'm not personally no kangaroo grew rhubarb Koala bar up of the pope's worldwide prayer network device activated by making the sign of the cross they understand they can watch church service online right nothing but it's not gonNA listen somebody better about Cisco say hey chip in and help her go oh that's bad or doesn't matter ace or a big green big green one we stole it and then it was prisoner go go John Wall Texas sense as you could do it up right on up to you you can just play until your seniors categories Bombay Sina Sounds Venereal Disease Saharan silver ant it runs main you don't need an easy rosary yeah next thing you know that you're going to be doing e shots why will a car a Subaru forester that makes sense yes and then he hit he crashed into a lamb like that woman might have been right about your show whatever pave ruthie go back to the days of Cave Rufi anyway worship tried to make a four door which is ridiculous and then they made a crossover suv which is ridiculous sports car kits fourteen years old that's crazy that's I don't I'm done with the humanity right is done with the crazy thing about uber is they're losing money hand over fist awesome hey with the plow the field pulled out the cultivator he was running from the police in a tractor. Yup I got you ever heard of ever jump in a car with a stranger and we all the time candy like peppermint the guy in Miami picked me up a couple of weeks ago didn't speak which is really weird it's a cool deal because you know you travel like me anywhere I travel uber easy you got the APP they come pick you up they always told us right never get on the Internet and imagine that up I'm GonNa have to look up what that looks like and you remember all those cars in Australia especially in Western Australia have roo bars on the front which is a big bumper whatever they want to pay in La they're ordering they want to study a study of paying Uber lift drivers thirty dollars an hour minimum wage article if it's okay you can Steve Got God's getting into wearable tech Lamborghini Urus is worth two hundred fifty thousand euros it's Paris is it is it like a true suv you though bag by times a year I like the guy when we were riding it but I I apparently the tip didn't go through so he looked me up online seeing them up but if they get pissed off they have a choice to be pissed or not you have a choice being offended they got a they got a rosary now it's high-tech Rosary they're trying to get the does the Austin powers yeah maybe he's got the big ugly t that's what they should have done well that's fast Lanham I asked I guess the insect pretty quick yeah that's all you need to know about that so crew and people to Jesus ten consecutive rosary beads that wrap around your wrist like a traditional rosary however ee rosary lick links to a prayer this do right here
"You walk made it weird with me. Homesick happening where does this is a recommendation from our dear friend? Shane Moss? Who's recorded? I think four four of my favorite episodes of this podcast Shane has his own podcast. Which is called Here we are. You can learn more about that here. We are PODCAST DOT com. He interviews regularly The top scientists from all sorts of different fields and this is Nina Pfefferman. Who is a mathematical Wait I don't know how to say that. She studies mathematical models of pandemics. That's that she studies mathematical models of pandemics. So she is. One of the people currently working on The cove it nineteen pandemic. She's a professor of ecology and evolutionary biology and professor of mathematics at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. She's the associate director of the one health initiative and she is the director of Matt of the Mathematical Modeling Center. Well that was a lot. There's a lot for me to say I'M SO TIRED. Leila just went down So forgive me if I sound a little beat. I hope you guys are doing okay. By the way I was going to alternate do a pandemic episode over skype and then release something from the back catalogue but Honestly Shane called me. And we sort of commiserated. About how many people? Spring breakers aside but then included Seem to be uninformed or misinformed about what's going on and obviously this is very very important and he said that he had talked with. Nina and was like I think you're GonNa really love her and I did. I spoke to her today. It's only an hour. So this is not really a typical. You made it weird in the sense that it's short and we don't really talk about Art Or God. This is a science heavy and a fact heavy episode more of an interview obviously still a very special An important conversation that I was so happy to have so I do want to get to it as quickly as possible. No tour dates to plug. Obviously we are doing another best of you made it weird episode if you want to contribute You can either go on our facebook on the facebook page. The most recent post is asking for suggestions. For what you want included in the third you made it weird best of episode. I realize it's been a couple of years since we did one. I figured we could all use a laugh. Laugh right now so. Please vote for your favorite moments On our facebook page you can also tweet. At Katie Levine Some of the at me At Pete Holmes on twitter. I'm pretty sure Katya Katya money on twitter. I also WANNA give a shout out ticket. Java which honest to goodness has been my source of nutrition during all of this Haven't been making too many trips to the store trying to stay in as much as possible which is balanced which is actually been great. Yesterday was my birthday party. Why I'm tired. It was a wonderful birthday Believe it or not I keep having to say that to people. I'm like it was a perfect day. 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And thank you to Nina for this wonderful chat. I hope you guys enjoy it. Get into it weird us. I have to imagine you are very tired. Thank you so much for doing this. I know thank you I appreciate. I think we're in a phase where no matter what I do is GonNa be useless if you'll get the word out to more people. So yeah yeah well. Hopefully this is an interesting intersection. I know you did Shane's podcasts so people that are scientifically minded Would find you but I think this might be a different cross section. This is this is A. I don't know that's what whenever I'm trying to get people to do the podcast. I'm like this might be an audience that you don't normally reach so I'm happy to have was. I'm very grateful. Certainly my my normal audiences academicians and ivory tower navel gazers so we do a Lotta navel-gazing so you're you're in good company. But I'm I'm I'm so happy that you're that you're doing it. I know that you're tired. You must be saying this over and over and over and over so at the at the very least usually this is very conversational. I thought we could do this. More like a traditional interview just to get the information out there Halloween thing I get. Just get you out of here. I don't usually the show is like two or three hours will only talk at most an hour And let's just get some of that stuff out there before you came on. Katie and I were expressing some of our fear that we both well. I don't WanNa bring you into this. Katie that's your business but my parents are sort of their seventy nine seventy six. I don't know we're not. We're not that kind of family. They're in their late seventies. And my dad is just sort of one of those people here in California. Everybody's locked down. We're we're we're taking it super seriously. I mean my wife and I are spraying the groceries and the takeout and all the things going real real real or and then. My Dad is like why? Why at Dunkin donuts like that? Why are you at Dunkin donuts? So can you please help us understand? How serious What would you say to my dad? Who is just a stubborn? I'm going to say there's there's a lot of high I'm GONNA say hyper not toxic butts hyper masculinity who cares. This is just a flu. They're just trying to scare us. It's a hoax. How would you respond to that Nina? And maybe a little bit about who you are and what you do sure. Sure so. I'll set the order just saying I'm Nina Pfefferman and I'm a mathematical model who studies pandemic preparedness The interactions between behavior and disease outbreaks of University of Tennessee. And I've done this for a bunch of different potential pandemics of the first one fails enough that it's actually a pandemic and we're all really sorry. So okay so what I would say to your your dad and all of all in my friends in that category so I think it's. It's really hard to acknowledge that things that are truly beyond our control are also threatening as Americans also. Were not used to that. We liked rugged individualism. We like being able to say. Well if I if it's dangerous I'm just GONNA put it out of my mind forged through and stoicism defines by character and my strength or you've met my dad that's my that's my dad. I need I would. Yeah there's there's an ability to that I I don't want to. I wouldn't tell anybody to get rid of that but what I would say is that there is a lot of room next to that stoicism to say that that seems to assume that had people plant victory gardens during world during world. Wars is was not responsible but it also was ruined. That said stewardess shouldn't ignore the fact that there's food scarcity right and you can be proudly sto again not panic but still take responsible actions given known risk but there is also a nobility in safeguarding and even reassuring. Even if you personally decide that mean affirmative I am full of Shit and you don't believe anything else that I say there are people you probably love who are scared for you and there is no nobility in getting a donut at the expense of the comfort of your loved ones. Yeah and that's just psychological security. If that's just reduction in the Zaidi your loved ones have for you. It is a noble and responsible thing. Even given a the conscience of a patriarch to give comfort to your loved ones that you are willing to sacrifice getting that doughnut right now. Your show some some strength in perceived weakness. It's a way to be strong. That might be not traditionally Norman Rockwell. Strong it's like stay home strong. Although I do think Norman Rockwell would make a hell of a painting at it as I'm not just saying Oh yeah I actually think we there is a story of Norman Rockwell. Strength in being the support of core of family. Even if you're if you if you look at really Norman Rockwell. Strength Comforts children having nightmares. And so even. If you believe that what we are all doing is having a collective illu story nightmare. I don't believe that that is not true right. We'll get to that. Let's get to that because I was trying to think. I texted my dad again. Let's not make it all about my dad. But I was like. Please practice social distancing. We're worrying about you. I was just trying to keep it simple because if you try and bring in like listen to this or we decided we were just worried about you. I'm worried about you. I'm worried about mom. Can you please do this? I'm trying to think I WANNA be like you think. You're smarter than Bill Gates. You know what I mean like. I need like the Einstein's he he might. He doesn't know Nina Federal. Msa Jefferson who Nina. Pfefferman is put us. But I'm trying to get that. Let's lay it out. What is going on here? What do people need to be doing? And why do people need to be doing okay? So what's what's going on is that we have an outbreak of a really infectious highly transmissible and quite deadly respiratory disease so yes the flu is also a respiratory disease that occasionally kills people. This is not that this is a disease. No one has immunity to nobody has has gotten it before. has partial unity outcome survivor This is a disease that at its worst for older people for people who have real medical conditions that compromise their their cardiac or lung function is killing one out of every six patients. Who Catch it. That's not an acceptable rate of loss for anything. That is definitely not the flu. So the the thing it has in common with the flu is it isn't infectious diseases of the respiratory system. That kind of like saying All cancer is equally dangerous right. It's all cancer so if you have you know a little skinned have removed in your doctor. Says don't worry about it again or instead. You have pancreatic cancer. That's kind of the same person broad rushing and being like cancer is fine. I had to have removed last week. No no this is different We are on a global pandemic. What that means is that there is active local transmission on multiple continents at the same time We don't have this under control. Globally there are particular regions that have under control at the moment. They are still in danger because the rest of us don't and that and people are still traveling back into those regions of China Right. Now did a really great job of shutting down its outbreak. It's having new cases imported from outside in China. We're going to continue that dynamic. There is no such thing at the moment. The world is a global place. There is no such thing as a nation or a city or a state or an island that can operate by itself. Right now we are now a glow facing a pandemic together as humans. And so doing this. Well is something we all need to do as humans and and we are trying the best we can with all of the techniques we have available and we we are working to develop an understanding of whether or not have medicines. That can help. We don't know yet. We have some ideas of what might help. And we're trying them to see but we don't know if they help. We have some supportive therapies. That can keep you alive. Even if you're getting sick including things like ventilators that help you breathe. Your lungs aren't strong enough to intake air on your own. We don't have enough of them. We won't have enough hospital beds and medical staff of for a lot of the world so a lot of what we're trying to do is keep enough people healthy for the time being that we can develop the tools to fight this better in the people who do catch up and put off is going to catch it so that people who have heart attacks and still need to get into emergency rooms can see cardiologists instead of have the door. Crowded through with people who can't breathe right. I've had so many friends or that means to that are having babies right now. It's just such a wild time to to remember at hospitals aren't just cove in nineteen centers places that we need every single day for the multitude of reasons. So what what does it look like? What should we be doing? I was just eating something from the fridge and I think one of the paranoia. Is that a valid. I have is like when we buy groceries. We watch video. That was like spray down. Your groceries disinfecting. Is that too far or are we doing? The right thing will also so the video is he's been a bunch of videos circulating and some of them are absolutely wrong. Not just kill about wrong and some of them are just kind of crazy and some of them are really good so the best information we have right now and it is all changing mealtime. Was We learn about viruses? What it's doing but the best of me right now for things like bringing in groceries bringing in delivery food things like that is washed the pat linked spray the packaging that is in or wash the packaging or transfer it to something else when you get there and then clean everything the packaging touched and wash your hands it. This is not a foodborne disease to the best of our understanding. We have some pretty good evidence. That food itself is not going to get you sick with this but it is true the touching things and then the virus into your respiratory system like your eyes rubbing your eyes touching your nose touching your face in a way that you lick your lips later. That's really how we think. The surfaces of contaminated injured bringing in your home would You're not going to bring those. You don't quit your face right up against plastic bagging brought in from the grocery store and trying to hail it But you're touching it and then you're probably touching surfaces in your home and touching your face without worrying in your own so we are advising that there's some processing you do. Is You bring anything in from outside of your home to ensure that all of the outside contamination of surface doesn't become a source where you keep touching it. And then touch your countertops touched it and end at your face because you're at home and you're not worrying so much about. I'm when I'm at home right now even though we should all be not touching her face when I'm at home and I haven't brought anything in recently. I'm not worrying about things like scratching my cheek. Where am I did? I rub my eyes and I shouldn't do it anyway but I'm going to forgot human So what we're trying to do when we say clean and process the things you bring in is keep the environment of your home relatively unlikely to be able to to spread the germs by contact. So that when you forget and Rub your eye in your home your home uncomfortable. There's no contaminated surface that you're accidentally transferred right and what about aging packages? What am I? Good Friends Kumail. Who Lives in my neighborhood? He's been tweeting a lot. And and we've been talking a lot and we sort of joke that I think we're both on the higher end of the carefulness. I have baby there. Sort of. That's their business but We age packages package comes in. We just leave it on our porch for two three days. That's something somebody told us to do again. They now. I'm in the dark. We don't know are we. Just being Californian like seems so like of course L. A. Would be like this is what we do. We're doing not all of La. But like and then my dad. I not the Boston is one of the Earth as well. But there's something I don't know if I'm just being a California cliche. Being so vigilant is adequate thing to do yes. Oh against some of this is information that we're getting in real time so it got best guesses right now. For how long the virus on surfaces our best guess right now is that it lives on cardboard. Which is what most package is arriving for about twenty four hours so I it's honestly though howling. It's obviously though if you there are things inside your baggage. Also that might have been touched when it was wrapped. We think that the virus lives on plastic for about seventy two hours of these. Your best guesses of the moment. So so it. If there's if you order something that is not incredibly important to have right now. Then there's no downside really to letting it just be for a while but there's also. I would argue very little downside if you take proper precautions of bringing it in. Where did I put yourself a processing space in your home? It's easy to disinfect. You can take a clorox wipe to or or wash with soap and water game easily So so a washroom is a great idea for this a laundry room. If you've got something that doesn't have a lot of clutter about something without charge case but like a good surface you you can open something up. Take the thing out. Remove all of the packaging if the thing itself is not packaged on and you're not removing packaging. Lysol is a great thing to spray over something But then throw out the packaging. Wash the surface washer hands. Go about your life. Here's the question I had for you. That Kumail and I were just yesterday saying we have no idea. So we've been on lockdown for awhile. I don't even know how long it's been. It's been whatever it's been. It's been as long as it's been for every like whoever the people two weeks. I really have no set time. Yeah so instructor. Yeah you say three or two almost three. We're over we're overdue for most of California at this point. Yeah okay so valley-sinai every morning when we wake up feeling well we count that as a wonderful thing and and even if we kind of go like Oh man it's another day of this or that or whatever we always take comfort and going like we're healthy and this is important for the family like I said we have a baby and that's not for us Then thou it was my birthday yesterday and she went to the store and thank you very much. It was actually a wonderful birthday and she. She had a mask and gloves and she got some cake. It was very sweet. She's making cakes and believe me. She did everything then. We're like she did go out again. I don't know this is like pizza anxieties. He's if he's being hyper vigilant and I want people to know what they should be doing. Do We then restart the counter? Do we go like we've been in quarantine for three weeks or do we go like well. Then Val went out. And I've not out to the girls. Do you start the class. Over re time you go on a walk and somebody jogs by you. And you're like dude. Why were you close to me? I don't understand okay so so really great question also so I think the first important thing to tell everybody is that there are two different things that we are trying to accomplish with social distancing and one that is yes personal isolation for the entirety of an incubation period. And that's the fourteen days that's the idea. That's what we think is a is really going to be about the longest between when you personally could be exposed to disease and when you could start to develop symptoms yourself and then there's again another fourteen days on that if you develop symptoms of after that we think your problem. And you're not if you're not dramatic anymore. We think after fourteen days. If you haven't been symptomatic seventy two hours you're no longer infectious. So those are two very personal clocks about this but social distancing is also not so much about your personal clock of of time since exposure and I would say it's a good way to drive yourself crazy to keep worrying about. What was the last time you were possibly infected? So that's I think that's that way madness lies. Don't don't do that. It's technically true but I don't think it's useful because you also can't affect anything for that that would be well. I've just dumb this thing that could expose me now. I have fourteen days to worry. But can't change anything retrofitted so so I would encourage people not to focus so much on those personal time clocks at exposure unless literally. What you're doing is waiting to come out of a household where someone had diagnose corona virus. So that's a really good thing to do because otherwise you are in. Danger actively transmitting grown of two other people. But if you are if you've all been healthy and you're just worried. Did I get it from going outside? I would say. Please don't focus on that you'll drive yourself crazy and there's no benefit. I'm happy as a bed. That's I think that's the game. We're all playing myself. I think the human brain. I don't know what it is. We like analyzing we like looking for patterns and it latches to things like this and I don't consider myself a very compulsive person in that regard but I've caught myself being like well if that had it and then there's a certain circling back to my dad. This is where some of that stoicism can be. Good and like look. I'm doing as good as I. Can that Napkin might have been on a thing like like over? My daughter will touch something on a walk and I just immediately picture. Someone infected sneezing on it. Or you get your brain is so stupid. I'll see somebody with a hat and I'm like I don't know about this guy with that hat. That looks like a guy who doesn't take this very seriously that the brain is stupid and it gets paranoid so. I'm very happy with your with your pedigree for lack of a better term. Say Will you please relax? Let's not get carried away control. You can control don't get paranoid Your guest yeah absolutely but there is also the flip side. So that's the personal side where we're I don't think that kind of counting and again. That's all about catching it. It is different if you have someone in the House who's had that's a whole different thing. Please do the personal counting. But then the flip side of this is what we're trying to accomplish with these social distancing shelter in place ordinances recommendations requests depending on where you live. What level of legality involved but but nationwide when we saved these shelter place while we're actually trying to do is not. I mean if we could have if we could tell everybody to stand six feet apart from each other in complete isolation not touch each other for two weeks. All outbreak would be done. Yeah I mean we. There would be a couple of sick. People still recovering. We'll be able to medically isolate them and care for them. We would be. We would be able to handle everything else that happened but that's not realistic thing that we could ever do. Families live together humans. Don't stand six feet apart from things. We kept practically do that. So we don't have an ideal world for that because also it to be global. It's impossible right. So what we're trying to do with these social distancing metrics in the real world these recommendations is actually not about your personal counter. It's about reducing the number of people each infected person is likely to infect next so if you think about Think about a a a cell dividing so so are And if you're not used to thinking about sows in biology just think about like a balloon that manages to split into two balloons and then each of those balloons listen to you. It has two balloons. Each of those listen to you and has to who has in very quickly you're going to be overrun with balloons right. Because I you have one menu to than you have four eight sixteen right in each time you get another one is going to be two and getting a minute. If you're old enough to remember star trek this triples right triples or on your space station any minute of so. It really startled me the Trivialized that not only by students never seen star Trek but culturally. They no longer knew what troubles are. Even I haven't seen that episode but I know the trouble with troubles little furry things that overwhelmed Kirk. I know that I'll see you really should. It's the campus of the University Cultural Literacy. We need to know what board is. We need to know who data as we need to know. What rebels are exactly? It's it's just how we would understand pandemics now. I agree seriously. We have these things that are literally splitting into As this example so this is not. How Corona virus itself replicates in the body but it is how diseases transmits right. I have a disease and I give it to you and then you give it to someone and if you give it each of us gives it to more than one person. The epidemic is growing at as though. We're splitting off like balloons. I realized the other day. This is a pyramid scheme. You realize virus impairments Ingram and I southbound to you I give you the tools to sell it to your grandma and and we all get rich but instead of getting rich people are getting sick and dying which ager and and and that is a beautiful analogy for that. That is exactly what this is. It's a pyramid scheme and so imagine lives. We've all been on shame letters. Write imagine that you get a chain letter that says do this thing and pass it along to people or instead you get a chain letter that says do this thing and pass it along to ten people if everybody is actually doing the thing and passing it along to the number of people it says in the email or it says a whoever the pass along to ten people is rapidly going to get everybody and it's GonNa be that's why it's more You know elderly. People are more susceptible to this because they love forwarding chain letter. I think that's what it is. My mom loves for me those things and that's why I'm actually worried about her. It's the same thing with your body worried about her. Okay so you were saying sorry. No but you're right. I mean in this case there are actually in the way that there are people who we all know like. Oh those people chain letters. We don't know why we have. Look there are people who are not social distancing. They're the people were forwarding. The chain letters your shelter in place orders that we've got is basically everyone saying. Try to send the chain letter. Everyone's going to send a chain letter. We don't have control over at our email is just gonNa send letters for us. Try and do what you can only send the letter to two people instead of ten and if we do that batskin drastically slow down. Who gets the chain letter at the same time so that it can be dealt with in a in a efficient way in a realistic way? So it can be dealt with here exactly excited. There are two things slowing down. Give us and they're both really important. And we've sort of touched on both of them but I'm going to save it again because they're so important slowing this down to so important. The first one is that that fewer people ever catch this at the same time. The less our healthcare system is over. Well and the more we can help people the more we can make sure that you survive being infected by this and the more we can make sure that people who don't have the survive infected cuts in heart attacks and cancer and childbirth and all of the other things that we want people to survive and especially in the developed world. We'd take medical care for granted so easily We we just say like. Oh well it's something goes wrong. I can just go see a doctor about that. And my two is not going to become an abscess that he's into my brain right. Nice thing that's right so so all of those nice things. We take for granted suddenly stopped being able to be taken for granted if we overwhelm. Healthcare and overwhelming healthcare is also not just during the peak of the. It's not the overwhelm healthcare for three weeks. It when those three weeks are over health care is on again. And we can all go that simply. When we've exceeded capacity but exceeding capacity is going to have a health toll on healthcare professionals. It's going to deplete our resources and supplies in support of that. This is not a case of. We exceed impassively for three days and so we have three days of trouble in. Go back to being okay. We're GONNA have an aftermath. The more the worst the excess is the longer the aftermath is gonNA take to recover our healthcare system and infrastructure. So anything that we can do to decrease how much we overwhelming healthcare system is good for all of us on that so slowing down decreases how much we exceed healthcare capacity and then also slowing down buys us time to figure out which medicines we already have my be effective people. Fight this off to develop a vaccine to figure out which supportive therapies are best given which pre-existing medical conditions if you go in and you're diabetic and have COPD as opposed to heart failure. Which things should people do to support you? Even if we don't have a cure for the disease that will help you live right now. We've got lots of parallel experiments being done in hospitals in mealtime amazing physicians and nurses who are making judgment calls based on their experience and expertise. But that is incredibly different from bone. Best Practices that come out of science. So we're doing those trials now to get the science to know what to advise doctors and nurses to do. We don't know yet. Fewer people get sick before we have answers. The more people might get sick later but when we have the answers to keep them alive and okay well I guess I. Everyone must be asking this and I don't I won't burden you with having the answer but I'm sure everyone's wondering how long will be doing this at 'cause you're saying you're only reinvigorating my commitment to doing this. Yeah that's and that's what I want to share with. The listeners is that this is something that we're doing not just to not get it ourselves. But we're doing something collective which is very sort of against the American mythology. Were sort of back to where we began about like. It's about me about capitalism. It's about my happy life. It's about my achievement and now we're being forced to think globally. That's actually when the the lovely things about it we've talked about is. It's really every meal. Every Uber driver every package we are interconnected species. And we've done our best especially in the West to really deny that and there is a silver lining to this. Of course I wanted to end and I don't want anyone to suffer. There's a silver lining that we're all sort of waking up to our inner connectivity. I don't think we'll ever be the same as an entertainer and you talk to Shane as well. We're like the next time we're in front of a crowd. It's just going to have this magic to it that I can't imagine when when do you think that'll be because valid? Were saying it's like it's like it's just going to go away. We have to be a year away from a vaccine. I've heard yet then like when are they going a bit like am? I going to have to make a choice at a certain point where it's like. Well we're in a gray area and you could do shows and I'm like I. I think I think it's going to be like the war is over. We won and we can all go out and the sailor kisses the girl in the street. But I don't is that going to happen or are we just GONNA be like well? It's kind of okay out there like what's what's next so on in the most realistic estimate of how would work what we will do is a gradual progress on many fronts so we will come up with some better recommendations for how drugs will help us. We will come up. With more ventilators we will have some. We'll have a cohort of doctors who have realistically a depressingly been infected but survived and are showing backup to work because they are heroes. We will develop the infrastructure to do better at handling the infection that we are likely. So you're right. There isn't going to be a moment of it's done. We're all back to being fine now even if we do develop a backseat in a vaccine will take at least here. It's more like a year and a half really because it takes time. Human bodies are themselves complicated. We have long term reactions to things. And we don't want to accidently inject something into someone that six months later is going to kill them That's not a good wide. That's not a good rollout plan. So the vaccine development takes a long time. And I've heard I personally have heard from a lot of my friends in the general public. The district chomping at the bit of all if if crossover so dangerous. Why don't we just all accept the risks and take a a trial vaccine now and the answer is because sometimes the history of medicine we have meant well but we have developed very dangerous. Backseat or medicines. That have ended up doing a lot more harm than good and so we don't let that happen. This is why we get to push back against the Anti Vaccine Movement. The answer is we have figured out how to keep vaccine safe ended in save trials to figure out when they are effective and safe to take a and it's important to do that. We don't want to rush aimlessly ahead with medical interventions that may not be either effective or safe So I think you're right. We're not gonNA have a like welcome home parade we're done. We'll have a moment. We will probably have a moment. Relief feels normal enough that we do decide. This should be memorialized celebration. We are all going to go. Thank God and that will be a wonderful celebratory day but but it's not going to be a moment of declaring over because infectious diseases really aren't over and honestly even this one. We always GONNA BE CORONA virus. But all the UPPITY meow infects these deputy Miala just in the world have been telling everybody. A pandemic is dangerous. We're likely to have a pandemic 'em even sort of said it's likely to be respiratory infection. There that's going to be the next big one So once this is done we're not done with panics. Hopefully what we'll learn actually as much better infrastructure. But here's the optimistic part. So that's the pessimistic part. Were not likely to have like Oma. God's done and it is sees all of your listeners and you and me as humans. This is hard to hear but we should. We should be prepared to be heroic about how long it's GonNa take to do the social distancing to get to a point where we can safely go back to sort of life as we normally know it. That's going to the thing honestly is going to get us through the fastest better and more comprehensive testing for a symptomatic people if we could one hundred percent tell you in fifteen minutes we could have. Every household have attested everyone in household takes every morning and says you're going to transmit corona virus if you go out today and you're not even if you never catch the interview. Never get the disease symptoms if we could just do that and we could tell people responsibly. Please isolate you are actually infectious right. Now that's right that that's what makes it so infuriating about the like. I don't care I'll go out and we saw that with the spring breakers like again it goes back to the the the message is like it's not you. You are not the center of the universe. And that's that's what. I want to communicate as much as I can. So here's here's how I have been trying to communicate this. I don't know if it's a good idea. But I think it nells the idea of a true American heroism which is normally pitched as individual right with a communal good. I really love old school westerns. And if you think an fundamental core about what a Western is and so there's been some great onerous switching of Western so like firefly is a fantastic western even though it's the Scifi Space Common. It's a wet. The what makes a Western what makes a compelling Western. What makes a real American John Wayne or or You know going back even further like high new but what makes a Western? Is that idea that you are willing to put yourself in bodily harm? In the defense of the powerless unity. There is A. There's a community of poor farmers or women and children and they are being threatened by the outlaws. And you personally. The hero are going ride out to meet the outlaws on your horse and shoot the bad guy and protect village and right. The magnificent seven right is such an amazing because it humanizes the aspects of heroism right. There's the fellow WHO's worried. He's lost and Actively scared but doing it anyway and the stimulus is going to ride into battle. Just because it's the right thing to do and the guy who is purely motivated by greed and wants to believe that there is treasure they defending not just the poor the community right to all of the all of those are different acids of the nobility of that rugged individualism of the true story of American heroism. Those are rose. Go protect the powerless right. In this case we can do that by staying home right and that is sort of an opportunity we can all sort of feel listless if feels very fight club to be like we have no. Great War. We nothing was really called on on my generation is typically this. This is the year being asked to stay home. Which is no joke. I know people are GonNa frame it as like all you're being asked to do is stay home and I'm like that's a tricky game for some people. My heart goes out to the listeners. That don't that don't have anybody in their immediate life. It's harder to do it. Not Everybody's designed to be a hermit. I understand But this is that opportunity to hero for a greater good and when we look back. I think we'll be proud that we did what we could to help. Because even if you're like I can get it and survive. That's what I would want to say to somebody like spring. Breaker is like dude. You're in Florida you know. How many old and at risk people are in Florida? Like get over yourself. This is absent. Yeah Yeah we gonNA Badge of of messaging. This is also making young people. Seriously ill. It's just not doing it at the rate at which it makes people seriously ill but I actually. I just gave up a a scientific webinar for lay audience on the mathematics of how individual behaviors handwashing and social distancing. Do Change the course of epidemic and so it sounds. It does from a policy perspective when we hear our leaders scientists as humans when they say what what is your heroism and the answer is on your couch and wash your hands. It doesn't feel satisfying. But if you're if you're listeners. Curious they're easy ways to explain why it works I'm not the only person who's tried to explain this on the web now but there is my my own. Explanation will be on the website at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis. There are a bunch of other great videos on Youtube. We can slain works. They don't care why works as a black box. It is not nothing that is not saying to you. We don't know what else to tell you so just do this. Nothing thing. This is everything right is writing out to meet the bad guy on a horse. It's funny that you mentioned cells dividing because I find that to be helpful image when I think of humanity as one body and bodies being made of cells and when you look at when you look at it under a microscope a bunch of cells. It's so clear to us that that's one thing we call that one habitat but we get stock and this is very sort of my specialty. I love we sort of New agey stuff like just all that aside literally we are one. This is the movie Bio Dome Basically. We're we're realizing that everything you do affects everything else and that can be we can infect each other with paranoia we can infect each other with truth we can infect each other with kindness. I resisted but I wanted to tweet many times. A friendly reminder people in my neighborhood corona viruses not transmitted with smiles so many people liked voiding eye contact. Like are you fucking crazy like I'm holding my daughter you're across the street? Let her wave at you. Let's let's get it. Open the windows of an ISO honestly. No I have empathy for that reaction because I understand because because we're social creatures normally what we're being asked to do right now and this is also why I think it's such a H- It's not it's not mischaracterization to call this difficult into Roic we're so normally social that by cooling back even in the way of not not coming across the street to say hi to each other right violating social norms in ways. That means that we don't know anymore exactly how to interact with each other. Like isn't route to make contact not meet my neighbor doorstep. And that I don't go over and say hi M. I. INSERTING IF I suppose you're right I don't. You emanate versus back to the Laurie. I feel fine about infectious and I go. You don't know that. Stay away from me so I actually have a lot of empathy. And that's also. Why is this so difficult and heroic that we can do this to try you out with? Our new protocols are for being considerate of each other and social. And I love it. Thank your governor. You're actually going to California. Has made a beautiful transition language as some other governors from social distinctive physical distance right. We don't have to be socially like that but we'd is GonNa take some effort on behalf of all of us to figure out some new good protocols Elbows with people in greeting. That's not gonNA work like all like elbows are not the most natural part of our body to extend on the other hand is a very natural breeding navy. We all just start with figuring that out is going to take some real cultural innovation and collaboration. It's not the sort of thing but one person suggested it'd be sort of thing where we as a community of humans across the globe converge on things that work for us in. Don't but I understand but people who don't wave and don't make eye contact because it's such a compromise of fundamentally social nature not know which when we're insulting people we don't want to insult and right for holding you baby. Nobody wants to make a cute baby upset. What if you maybe? What's to come and hug this stranger? Because she feels like babies do right know strange trial lawyer. So you're still right on. I actually I only wore a mask one day on its because I had to fly and it was after I was flying home after everything happened so I wore a mask and now I try my best smile. Extra people wearing masks. 'cause I noticed when I was wearing a mask you become a nonperson you're like you're not in the mix at all. No one look at them. It looks like you're in Cobra from Gi. Joe You look like a bad guy or something. Obviously a doctor is a different situation in knowing is still in its cage. It's quite a bit more than half also for your initiative to make this more romantic. We are trying to slay the dragons of of being alone and those are serious young. Un archetypes of like. What's it like to wake up with yourself and be with yourself every day and again I love the spiritual side of things? It's a serious or street tree on on a culture that has no value for turning things off so again I hate the fear. I hate the pain. I hate the suffering. I wanted to and I'm working to end it and sometimes I go like. Oh Wow I never would have done this for myself. I never would have just now aken all of this time off from stand up all of this time with my family and after a while and I were like this is so normal whereas before all of this if we didn't have a nanny nanny doesn't come Saturday Sunday Monday and I remember saying I was like that's insane. We needed to come on Monday. At least and now we're like. Why did we ever even need that? Because life is so different and so much more little house. Now Yeah so I think it is true people are are. I find it comforting. That people attacked rather quickly to different circumstances. And then find that new normal to be. Okay so I I actually don't see anything wrong with either way of life with either. The really rapid fire is externally driven. We're all going to be out in the community or the meal. I think most people that I talked to who are really happy. When we don't have a pandemic have a good balance of what they're gonNA turn off and just be peaceful in themselves and when installed Really outward focused but right now there's there's an added layer of difficulty in that introspection and living with yourself because no matter who you are in. It's I think it's it's got to be so much worse. Your personal struggles with with true clinical anxiety right now but all of us have a little voice in the back of our heads right now saying the world is dangerous. And if there's not a lot to distract you from that bat voice can get overwhelming and so there's also there's not just living with your cells than a way of the row and going off into the Wilderness and confronting yourself and figuring out how to live peacefully with person that you are an innate even be a better better hugh there is also the outer withstand that constant barrage of anytime. You talk to anyone else. Are you okay anytime that you think about your loved ones? Are they okay? Anytime you get groceries. Do I have to disinfect? This bag anytime you look at the news. Is there a new discount? That's that's something really hard to to deal with the best of times and now there's also this added silence to fell. But I think that worrying can can overwhelm. And so I think. Also yes again. physical distancing. But this also. Yes we're retreating to our homes but that doesn't mean we're doing it alone. Thank God we are doing the technological age where where this nurse can listen to. Your podcast and people can skype with each other and might research. Group has been having Friday afternoon. Happy hours by zoom. Were literally we're not talking research? We're all we're all working so hard on this the rest of the week but an hour on Friday night. We're literally each of us is getting some form of beverage alcoholic beverages but even the ones you don't drink alcohol like I'm getting ravine together and we're shutting off the voice and that that is wonderful also about collective sociality of humans. We can support each other not just in being alone in our houses but not being alone in our souls. But that's the thing is knowing I don't know why. Have a joke about owning the movie diehard and then it would come on. Tv Like Network TV. And I would watch it and I. I was always fascinated with why I would watch a movie that I own and then somebody I forget who they sent me there were like I think subconsciously you like knowing that millions of other people are watching it. And there's something going on here with that. So if I just took time off I said devout I would always feel a little bit like itchy. That other people were out there doing other stuff. We're doing this together if it helps to imagine yourself as a cowboy or a night or a boxer or whatever you want to see your fighting some serious doubts in real foes and we're doing it together and we're doing okay and that's super super important and you're doing it for the collective which as you said. I love what you said about Not Seven summarize about the also sent a yeah right right but they all had pants in the magnificent seven also had even in the seven Samurai right. That movie begins with the Summer. I- shaving his talk not to masquerade as a monk image of sacrifice that is his staff and his power. He just knows that the best way to protect people the best way to be a Samurai right then is to masquerade as among into shave is top notch and the the cultural weight of that action is so beautiful at the beginning of that movie right. That's what they used to do when they captured. Samurai it was the most degrading thing you could do to cut off. Its top not so do at for the greater good. I mean chills. I have chills just thinking about it. This is one of my favorites. I do love seven sunrise so much. Yeah well I mean this is in our DNA in those stories. I take some some solidarity in fact that even though we haven't faced this specifically there's notes of this type of awakening that we realized that we're in this together and that we have to do something for one another. I don't know I keep going back to my dad but I was wondering. Do you guys have a term for that? Isn't it like when I when you shoot a movie right and you're on the streets of Manhattan and somebody has walks through the frame. We call that a bogey. So when you guys are mapping out like okay we can predict that seventy percent of this group will stay. 'em when are you like thirty percent are going to be bogies like you have a? Is there a scientific term for my father? That's what I'm asking. Yeah so back from his desk shifted over the decades so so in the fifties or so through maybe the eighty S. Maybe early nineties if you look in the scientific literature it's called non compliant okay. Are we shifting away from that because it felt really paternalistic to be like you just have to comply with our orders? So apparently called adherence or non adherence okay so do you adhere to the recommendation or or or do not adhere. And it's not really. Are you coops lying? In the sense of seating your will on its aligning your real with the recommendation. While that's that's I mean. We're we're running out of time here. But I could talk to you for such a long time about the misappropriation of virtuous things in the human spirit that you see happening here because we know there's nothing to fear but fear itself there is something again mythic about like Hawk off. I'm going out. Nobody stops. Nobody tells me what to do and even the conspiratorial like Yaba. Why would they say that like it was like second? I'd say the same thing about flatter there's not a flatter I'm just saying it's the misappropriation of a natural. Yes instincts to question what you've been told but when it starts jeopardizing other people's lives you're like guys do it for flatter killing everybody like. I should tell my dad. Dad Go believe there at this flat. At least that would keep you safer by the way I am going to keep bothering him physically physically distant. So I'm not giving up but Yeah there's there's the way that our brains can take good instincts. Misuse them well. But it's also it's not just it's not just a misappropriation of instincts right that the most logical intelligent responsible thing than anyone can do is to realize the limitations of their own knowledge and understanding and then rely on expert advice from others in that context and so yes we should all question things but then none of us can know enough of anything. I I am an expert in epidemics and I am an expert in by Maddox and if I have a question about finance I go ask someone else and then they told me something at because I I like to question stuff. I like it if they explain why to me but if I don't get it at some level new responsible intelligent thing to do is to go. I'm not getting this but you are an expert in this and I'm not it's It's great so so on some level I I have a huge respect on also flatter. There's complicated because we can't explain trigonometry and there with gliders I but yes look when this is over. We'll talk again. We'll have you WANNA drop for episode. When you're rescued in less burden will talk just about those fun things always but but I but I respect greatly the people who were suspicious even of of people of me like people who say but what the Hell do you know. I want to evaluate this for myself. I respect the hell out of that but there are times where you have to understand the limitations of your own knowledge. Yeah the APP. Yeah if you wanted to try stand up. You should listen to somebody who's done. Stand up for twenty years. Anybody would get that. And if you're like look I just want to try it. I'd be like go ahead because I know the process itself will teach you just as you know. Mathematics will teach you as well. You'll be at least humiliated by the by the breath of the year undertaking. I if I could ask you. We're almost out of here. My wife has Ballot has therapy three. So I'm going to take over with. So that gives us eight minutes so one question and then and then we'll wrap up with Something about that because that's what we're talking about. Sure I haven't had somebody who Applied Mathematics. I don't even know what that means. I just know that means addicts and that you apply. This is this is more of a personal philosophical question. What do you make of the of the fact that math exists that we didn't invent math but that we discovered man how? How do you reconcile that? As a universe operates and I'm not trying to trap you into believe I'm curious. Just what what is the story you tell yourself a world you can map the trajectory of Venus and know where it's going to go and you get. What math is. What do you make of that? What story does that tell you? Oh that's such a great question. It's not an eight-minute question. Oh I'm so sorry I'm going to try and do the very tiny version but seriously I love this. I actually have a good friend. Who's of Lhasa Her tells with your mind talk about exactly this a lot So so there are two. There are two separate parts of your question and one is about the internal discovery. Mathematics itself is pure object pure language pure construct and the other is about what it can tell us about the external world and that's also that is the difference between pure and applied mathematics. Actually so in pure maths and I started out life in your math and wound up in a repetition and all of Disclaimer a lot of my family going back generations on both sides. Our pure mathematicians. So I'm definitely the black sheep of the family with the pure math is the idea of just taking an logical core a set of assumptions or statements and going what are all the logical implications of that thing that I just sad and what are all the complexities can i. If I turn it this way and look at it too I noticed something different by restated that way does it also mean other things that I didn't know I'd already sat. And that's jewel process of discovery of the richness of the statement. You already made and that. The is so complicated that basically thousands of years of pure mathematics and millions really of not. Titians HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. Basically just examining the implications of an initial set of five accepted. Statements made five axiomatic statements and it has taken thousands of years millions of people to still now be discovering just the implications of those things and it is beautiful. I think the internal rigor and and beauty of that is is part of why mathematician. Because I can think of no more compelling thing to do with with the gift that is a human mind then to spend it cognitive league on logic itself. Yeah on understands what is yes. Yeah but that is a separate question from. How can we use mass to predict trajectories planets? It's related because the same rules of logic and construct than perspective are brought to bear about the external world and says separately. There is beauty to the fact that there are physical laws and natural laws of the universe. And that however they came about if your spiritual and believes that they were created. If you're a completely neutral atheist believes that they were they were somehow aligned out of chaos by random chance. It doesn't matter. There is a beauty to the the existence of those laws and the discovery of them by that process of logical abstraction and then being able to predict the by going did we got the logic riot it it works. We were able to to think. Wait a minute if we accept gravity which we don't understand at all what how. Gravity is free except gravity and we can calculate things with Calculus and physics and then Venus should be there and then it's there that's also satisfies a different part of my soul from the pure idea. No such an amazing thing to be able to go. Humans can understand enough to predict the natural world so that we can predict the orbit of planets and we can hopefully stem the tide of pandemics. Does that make you feel less alone when you see? I don't WanNa call order because I know there's still a lot of mystery and science and math. Maybe not so much math but you could tell me that is it make you. How does it make you feel emotionally? You get the rapture. Your brain can understand things that I can't understand. I'm not saying that to be falsely humble. I'm just saying that's your field. Do you have those quiet moments of like an ecstatic? Oli shed. I'm a part of a system. That is so elegant your note in a symphony. You ever feel that way I so I I there moments but I think more often for me I am simply so beautifully awestruck by that. It's less about my part of it and of course I mean yes of course it's biological organisms all part of it but the moments where. I truly feel that I've figured out or I've understood something beautiful and true about the world in the way because of the way that humans have constructed science and logic and math and allowed me to think and to train myself to be able to go. That's why this guy's blue. I can explain why I perceive the sky as blue and why someone else does also and why we have that commonality. So I think that's where I feel the commonality under kinship with everybody else that these rules applied to alter not so much mind as my personal of re and understanding of the those are moments. Ryan simply awestruck by the universe. We need more people like you. I always trying to know and understand myself. I'm just so appreciative. That there are people like you because a p being the penis that he is is is thinking about. How would it feel for me to get a charge out of that? I'm glad I exist. I create the things that I create. What? I'm so grateful that people like you exist. Because you're not like me. Your brain works differently and especially at a time like this when we need to be so much more collective. It feels like we changed obvious but we didn't think you're selling yourself short because you're quite seriously my husband laughs at me because I get. I get shocked up at this point talking about our our Comedians as our nation's heroes because of that it will take you might shortlist of euros right now or maybe Anthony Fauci and John Oliver Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart for having birth degenerate Be just the people are are allowing us to have that collective experience of being emotionally capable of dealing with all of this. I don't think I'd be able to do my research right now. We know people like you helping us very well. You know while except that because the theme of our entire conversation was that we're in this together and yet really beautiful. I'm feeling deep appreciation for you and thank you for everything that you're doing and it feels very nice to be appreciated as well and I hope people got some value out of this and I really would love to have you on again. Dallas here for her therapy What we can just talk. Even more about. Peer math applied math. That's so interesting too. I mean I'm an academician. I will always love to talk about the things that I find. Beautiful it's me out so so yes these me back. Thank you for joining us. Let's end on everybody. Fill in the blank. Everybody should be blank and then we will be blank. I would I think everyone should be Kind and then we will be okay and I think large will let us realize the heroism social distancing and let us live with ourselves while is difficult and let us rely on each other in the ways that we need so everyone should be kind and then you're the best I can say. Wash your hands and hit me with the face of the Buddha. Thank you need to divide. I appreciate you. It's it's silly but we have the guests they keep it crispy. That's how we sign off if you wouldn't mind keeping crispy. I've never had such a dense mine. Say That thank you very much. I appreciate you thank you so much. Pc Way safe. Yes get some rest be well. Thank you Chris Abated.
Hour 4: David Ubben & Calls
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Today they have at least for two weeks suspended in person class room activity because of a spike. other schools. Are Continuing to plot on as many schools are beginning to open around the country and we look forward to a finding more about the University of Tennessee David Evan, from the athletic covers the balls. And David. Thank you appreciate having you on and really. Eager to hear about what's happening on rocky top good afternoon. Of Not a whole lot. It's been a busy couple of couple days here. Take us through because I have been trying to keep up with it I know Jeremy pruitt's An and in the schools announced some of the the testing I know the chancellor has been very outspoken just. Take a take from the top which what's going on up there. Well I mean they who players I got there June. They didn't have anybody test positive and they had some positive the numbers a little bit iffy when guys were away for the fourth of July and they've protesting gabler testing. I have once a week now and enter inputs said yesterday and the day by twenty three positives since the started testing. So assuming that. Twenty three basically in the last six weeks and some guys were missing from practice yesterday obviously are closed in the media So unclear exactly who was missing but sometimes are missing yesterday for either positive tests or quarantine to get those guys back. But that we're gonNA fees are now they're going to opposite quite a week testing during the season and and Is You know they they feel okay about where they're at but you know quarter of the rocker already testing positive for a job in nineteen is You know not ideal I suppose yeah. I mean I mean I mean rule it somewhat about one hundred players on the team. So I mean the math is fairly easy isn't it? Yeah I mean it's It's sort of unclear about how serious these cases are. I. Think if there was getting super serious you would have already you know heard something about it but I think also You know these are guys that you know moving forward. You'RE GONNA have to track of what's Hard make make sure there's nothing there. You know we've reported yes lettuce they already had ten athletes in the big ten that have shown why a mile for dynasty inflammation of the heart they can call some real issues. So guys that positive you know you're going to have to keep track about it. If it shows up at some point I I would think it'd be unlikely you see those guys step on the field at some point but you know I think that if he Wants to monitor those things and and you know we'll see I think. All this is so new and It's just so different. You know. Every sports writer now sort of dabbling amateur epidemiology or at least sort of understand a little bit of what's going on and you know it's been an educational five months for all of truly easy David hand sanitation. Social. Distancing and six feet apart other. What else is there just Global, pandemic. Yeah taking care of yourself and trying to act responsibly You know not that stuff although certainly, there seems to be some college students in the south. Might. Disagree. But Yeah. Think hear yourself a difficult but figuring out. Okay. What does this actually mean you know for this program for football as a whole you know the campuses are shutting down or whatever since they're going to cut down on shutting down permanently or for a couple of weeks and what precipitates shutdown does that mean this football or are they gonna try to play football practice? It became shutdown any. It's just there's all these things are so interconnected and so intertwined that it anytime talking about this stuff it's complicated. David I mean I I feel. Awkward, asking this question because I was once a student at the University of Tennessee and they're probably pictures of me doing crazy things that I don't want to act like. That the current students are are are are being rational, but it does seem though that every time we see a positive test. The administration, the football coaches, all say the same thing that they're safe in a bubble here those numbers are all every time a player gets in trouble and comes from all those irresponsible students I mean, you're up there what are you hearing and and and how Much control does the university have over this? I mean tough to say I. Think. You know certainly with the medical care. On campuses, you'd think students will be our players at least. Exist infected would be You know a little bit safer but the question of whether or not they're more likely. To contract the virus on campus or off campus I? Think it's a fair debate. Now Tennessee said that of those twenty three, that's. A positive when they conducted contact tracing they, they said that those positive tests they tracked him to the community and not the facility and not the locker room. So you know I positive that you're not having outbreak. Na symptomatic guys lingering with he may since you know Tennessee is doing all they do you know inside the facility in terms of sanitizing workout stations, guys wearing masks unless they're on the field or working out cardiovascular and weight room they are trying to observe social distancing. You know obviously not using the team meeting rooms much. You're you're using the you know when they're having all one hundred guys, you're using the the indoor facility so. They're doing what they can, and it seems like the the twenty three tests you know if your contact tracing, you say they didn't catch the here. If easy to sort of you know point to point blame at the rest of the campus but you know. Again You. Know How reliable is that? What does that mean? You know all these things? I just think there's a lot of questions with this that don't have good answers. You can get them the best you can but ultimately, you can contact trace. You can do all this, but you can never really know where a guy got the virus or didn't get the virus or where exactly it happen. You have to have an educated guess I. think that's what I'd. Probably, call this and and you know and tracing isn't so much about identifying where they got it as much as making sure that the people who are at risk for notified and so you know you sort of take it with a grain of salt, but it's still either complicated deals and I think that the current of all of this is that if you're going to have. college campuses, cold classes, and have people living on campus and try to play college football at have guys living. On, campus and going to class and then trying to play football. There's an underlying risk and there is a risk there that it's just GonNa be there certainly, you know most players are willing to take that risk, but you can't I that there. David, I realize you cover the team you're not. The players keep her but I'm curious if you know the answer to this, because someone brought it up a minute ago. Where do these players live and I bring that up because everyone wants act like they're in a sealed bubble but once they leave the facility, where do they go to sleep in? Studying do whatever else college football players? Upper class obviously have off campus apartments certainly after your first year. That's a popular spot If not, you know stokely hall is right next to the team civility and the you're talking about a two minute walk, right? That's where a lot of the freshmen live your your athletic dorms are over there and that's pretty much it I mean either. or off campus that's really the only spots where players are living most of the time so. You know I kinda see you know wanted to do the so-called level you know like you know I. Think it's probably the safest thing that you know would be safer players but not safer schools bank accounts. When you're talking about sacrificing amateurism I mean every campus has the ability to do that but that's sort of what this thing is. All about is that either have to clip players at risk of saying you know it's GonNa be probably GonNa contract this or you know amateurs dead and that's what this is. This is what this is better for the last five months. Already was, but I'm glad somebody's keeping hope alive for amateurism David. All kidding aside, thanks for being on. Appreciate the report be well, stay safe and don't forget what's the three the three axioms cove. You just repeated them a minute ago. Come back soon. Anytime David Athletics I've done some great reporting on the return to play. We'll take a break. turned. 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It's your home speaking and I need you to do me a couple of favors I could you get that blueberry that rolled under the fridge last week it's throwing my functions way off second thing, bundle your home and car insurance with GEICO. It's easy and we could save money. Lastly, I know you're thinking of painting the nursery backed off white but I'm actually feeling this baby blue didn't think it was my collar but I m pulling it off Gyco for bundling made easy go to GEICO DOT com today. And welcome back. Couple of another couple more segments on more phone calls in here. Leak is up next emily good afternoon. Lakenheath Carolina are you there? We will try another call. What else can I do? Wendy is up next in Ohio. Hello Wendy. Hi Paul. Ohio Ohio High School football teams are playing and their their families or people close to them can only come to the game. And Pickering north I don't know what team that won the pickering since school system be on ESPN on August thirtieth like at noon on Sunday I saw where? saw where the Governor Governor Do I. How Is Ohio. You can have high school football. You Have Cincinnati playing. You don't have. Kids won't you call up or get Dr Tim Borders on the on your show because he was an issue, a football player from nineteen, eighty, nine, the nineteen, ninety three, and he was on the press conference for Dr. I mean for for Governor Dewine and maybe talk to Tim Borchert and see what he says or. Recommend for this he's he's schools you know or at For you know the signs or whatever you know what I mean. I do well listen to always good to hear from you. Wendy. Thank you very very much and. Stay in touch, let's go to Dylan. Who is in Georgia next? Hey Dylan can afternoon. Hey how you doing today? We are well, thank you. That's great. Talking again, I talked to you last week a little bit about High School Sports Right? Enjoyed that call I want to switch gears today and ask you about Georgia football You. Know we got a pretty good quarterback situation this year. Chaser. And you know I, haven't heard anything on on the radar about who they think that starting job dot maybe you would have a little anti and also Do you have any idea? How that the players that are tested positive for Tova is it? Groups of players like the offensive linemen or they all get his the same time or is that all the freshmen getting hit at and I'm just wondering you know as far as as far as that I think is pretty random. The. Hard part about Kobe in doing everyone is saying how they're doing now the mass outbreaks on most campuses and I haven't heard about Georgia. Alabama Auburn. Clemson. lsu were all early on They were early on because players were back during voluntary workouts and there was very little structure. To, what they were doing and and I think all of that has improved I would like to see no Tennessee. Announced there's I would be curious what you know in the SEC. Of the fourteenth schools what a breakdown, a legitimate breakdown would be would give us a better idea what we're facing this fall because. I think there are some schools that have a pretty high number of players who have been infected. and. A serious as that is and I'm not going to opine on what long-term effects there will be but it does diminish the number of people left to get it. Absolutely I, hear that as far as the quarterback situation I. Think it's a little bit unknown. I think the entrance of. The southern cal young man is really going to make things quite fascinating He has an incredible credentials Jamie Newman obviously does as well but he he missed Spring William is in Maryville Tennessee William, you're on the air go right ahead. Paul. Of you heard that came as is. Moving quarterback because they seem to get eligible on transfer quickly. That that seems. Yeah this wouldn't may not be as easy although Trey Smith coming out in favour him do they did excite a lot of people. Well let me ask you a question Paul. If if they school this year the wealth of the Encyclopedia of knowledge, it's a school. for whatever reason shuts down their football program can the players transfer? anywhere that will take them. I have heard they. What you have to do is go into the transfer portal. Now I think the requirement is this one school begins I. Don't think you can do it. Well I'm talking about if. We're on oil is you're talking about a total shutdown. A total shutdown. Yeah And of course, then my next question is what keeps the stars in the big are in the big ten or the PAC twelve from just announcing. If you're not gonNA, let us play this fall. We're just ultimate transfer. Here's the problem with that They still have to be granted a waiver number one. And I am not sure the NCWA would be excited about. Setting this precedent. and. Secondly. they have to have somewhere to go. And You're right and I think there are I'm talking I'm talking about the top eight or ten SEC schools. Let's leave it there. Not to embarrass anyone but. I mean outside of a handful of players now allow state probably has a couple of players that could do quite well but. I, just I have not heard about that. Yeah I think we may still, but there's a couple issues there I just don't have the answer a couple of questions that I'll have the answer to. Hasn't one thing become I know you've said this become. Abundantly clear to you, and that's you know not only with the Kate may situation which is arbitrary and capricious but but the fact that the NC double a. is completely impotent or. They they've given really very little leadership and. And and he really wonder why they evening system. Here's my theory on that and it's unproven because the next time I talked to mark. Emmett? will be a Cold Day in in in Alcoholic Tennessee But. Mark Does Not WanNa have college football this year, there's no question you can you don't. You don't need to be a genius to figure that out his. His director of the chief medical director for the NCW. Is Giving interviews William to anyone who wants he's the one. That it's the wrong thing to do, and there's there's no path toward it and what and one of the top people on his committee. Or Council is the one who gave us the titanic quote last week the one that said. This is being on the titanic and tried to decide when when the band starts playing so Amer. Did Not come out and say that in quite frankly I would have respected him more which wouldn't be much but I would have respected them a little bit and he'd done. So but but I think he feared the other power five commissioners firing him on the spot which they probably could come up with the power to do probably should well let me ask you question has has any. Any football player. Let's stick with football any football player at a FCS or FDA school who has been tested positive for Kobe. Become symptomatic. I have not heard that There have been the only the only player was the one that Indiana that got the the drum beating reliable car. Diana's. Right. Know. Like I said to you last week you know Privately, I would rather see. Folks look at putting together the Fi fund whether it's funded by insurance funded out of you know pass revenues and prepare for the worst case scenario. So that players if there is a player who become sick or you know players become hospitalized or if there are long term effects, I would rather there'd be some mechanism oriented place. To. Deal. With. Statistically the outliers. and. You know you hear about all these things people want to do but you don't hear about what how are we going to handle the worst case situation because I think you've got to play because you've got to have that revenue to fund everything including player Safety Factors You gotta get money for testing. GotTa money for all of these things and if you don't play, you don't have the money I have a question for you. I know you've been heavily involved I was reading something about endowments and I want everyone to think that we're all Harvard and Yale with twenty five to thirty Million Dollar Forty Million Dollar Endowments Notre Dame has about two hundred twelve. What is the Because I know you've repor you've probably been involved in representation schools. What what, what's the? How do you get into those endowments? Depends on the person making the endowment. Okay. You know you can. You can restrict it. that was Kinda the you know when I was having metal running battle with the MYEMMA mater about continuing to pay Butch Jones Right you know the the When I saw it, there were certainly grounds for termination The answer was well at least not coming out of taxpayer funds coming out of other money. They blow response was well, you know money's fungible and that twelve million dollars that they take which Jones maybe they could use it now and maybe the person that put that money would've been funded. Improvements to the library because you know they they they have finite money, and so I think you know the you know everybody's endowment has certain restrictions a lot of endowments and a lot of Dallas are tested. You know the the were going to give you something when. And you don't get it till I die. And You know of course, you look at some of the you know the leagues with Massive Endowments You know I'm not sure the you know the sec states especially, the state schools in the AFC have those kind of funds available. Yeah I just wondered because regardless whether you're at twenty or thirty percent fans, which seems to be the norm right now in the SEC, it's still going to be pretty tough to deal with with with the losses and I just. I don't even know what Tennessee's endowment is doubt. It's Significant reader my my problem with it is regardless of what it is. You know you you. You should all this TV money's been rolling and maybe you should say that more. we have it probably hasn't been held by the two of us. Right My problem with it was, you know money money to any charitable institution is fungible and you've got. You know you've got to look at the situation and say, okay if I'm holding. You theoretically, you want to hold the principal and live off the interest, right? I don't know I've seen some this much wasted. At the University of Tennessee in regard to Butch Jones I'm still mad about that one because I think that that that was handled very very poorly I hear you. Hey, thanks for the call. We always great to talk. Look forward to hearing from all of you. When we, come back. Listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast you know. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in a? Sleeping in another half hour. Thanks Sweetheart. and. You'll change yourself to. There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. Out The no. Get. All the quality parts you need at your locally owned Napa because right now, when you order from nap online, you can pick up curbside your local store in just thirty minutes or get your order delivered direct to your door with free one day shipping on over one hundred and sixty thousand quality parts when you spend thirty five dollars or more quality parts delivered quickly and safely. That's NAPA know how know how participating stores started shipping exclusions apply. COTY is up next in Florida, Connie and welcome good afternoon. Thank you Mr Find Bonds for taking my call I. Had we've heard or read about what the football players are doing to be Kovic safe and I was just wondering about the marching bands and the cheerleaders and the mascots, what they doing, and are they going to be able to participate, and also if I might just put a little plug in for Justin fields because I am a football, Ohio State Fan, he still needs twenty six thousand signatures for his petition. So anyway, thank you. I've signed ten times tonight I'm in I'm in his next before before I get to you I mean, I don't think we know the answer to the marching band I. Think it's unlikely. We'll see marching bands. But they are an integral part of college football cheerleaders. I do you know the answer to the cheerleaders and marching band question? Will you know there'd be enough empty. So everybody can. Instance could use an entire section for the marching band. And it makes them sound bigger. I don't know about cheerleaders but I guess you know you know public the schedule was really really interesting. And I may have to Stand back for a moment. Depending on the commercialization of the of the history see in the college game. But schedule is real interesting. Let, let's just say. We get to a couple couple of weeks of the season. A player to test positive on one team now that been exposed to everybody on that field. is a quarantine everybody to pull those players off and what happens if if some teams have to forfeit along? Say We'll get through the ten weeks. This I think it's highly likely that there's some teams that may forfeit along the way. What happens if it's some? Let's just say the season. In week seven six. And if everybody comes back to play in the spring, can the teams it played now? Come back and play springs. No. I'm in Let me let me give you the easy answer without even knowing the question. If at any time the in the season, we have a shutdown. Alabama is declared the winner. Hell? No because there's all this it's obvious albums going. Out of. Its. It's obvious. Albany was go joked life father. Brian Deane. Stadium Ball has never had a live else put in that building. that. Has, Auburn. Ever heading tire. Got Eagle then we and you know what? I tell you what hey. Wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute. I never heard of the Auburn Eagles. Well people call them the war eagles even. Wait a minute worry. Tation is not a mascot. Understand what it is but let me tell you what Auburn does have. They have a women a winning record in Bryant Denny Tub reveal and Jordan Hare. Okay. You know what Paul you have. Good. I'm going to do everything I can to accomplish that. Thank you for the call Jonathan. In Atlanta Hello Jonathan. and. How's IT going Paul? Very well, thank you. Hey I I was in earlier I heard you talking about you know the fact that we need football and how important is and how many people dependent on it and and just wanted you know kind of get your thoughts on a couple of things. I mean, firstly, I wanted to say that. I I thought it says album emigrant excited about it. You know honestly it's probably one of the best schedule Sparse competing all SEC. No just the excitement of watching who to be competing against and Georgia early those type of things just great. You know. But at the same time I, have to humble that excitement with the fact like I was saying the other day. that. We have a hundred and one thousand. No Americans dead. You know we still have a lot of cases out there and I just want to get your thoughts on. How far in the season you know high school and and college how far suit go before you know we say okay, that's too much because I was talking about that. No one. You know, I think the big ten in the big twelve PAC twelve one to say you know they didn't want to risk their young men not long term health so far should we go whether it's the light firstly and then I think secondly you know How are we gonNA feel morally if you know even if we don't have any, you know problems right now young man but three, four, five years down the line you know they have harding. She's a other issues that come from the virus. Now, what is the more consideration for that? You know how she we deal with them morally now? Johnson you've asked some. Questions. I don't know when it would end and no one else does either I feel really good about the fact that we're still talking about it and a month ago I didn't look very good It looked like this thing was going to crash and burn. So I think everyone is most everyone is really fired up and excited to see the season progress but there are still five weeks away I? I know it's late. August. It feels like the season's should be here but that what's the three week delay for the SEC meant and? Remember? Last? Year. Miami in Florida met in Orlando on August twenty. Fourth. So I mean if you go back a year, we are a week away from the start the season, and it's still a long way to go to sound like I'm reading from a manual here. But you have to try and I think they're going to try they'll watch it closely. And if you get to a point where it's untenable, you shut it down. It's really simple I. think they're prepared to do that I think the more difficult question is trying to get from here to September. Twenty Six Libya's up next libby you're on the air go right ahead. Hey Hey Paul good to talk to you. It's like you. Won't even say many. But the longer I sat the more things I thought of first thing though is since like fruit basket turnover with the schedule why did they not? At. The same time and the thought that it could be cut short I mean do you really want to wait and see what Alabama and Auburn do next year? So. You're you're asking if I understand correctly, why didn't they start the season earlier? Dot. To do what you're GONNA do. Quoc important. Game. Will but. Libby. I know the I know what you're asking because I I lived in Alabama for thirty years. So I don't you don't need to explain it to me, but I will try to explain it overall I think they. They wanted to try to preserve every week being different and traditions do matter, and if you get three or four weeks in and don't get to the Alabama Auburn game, it's it's a loss but you know you have other games. The Alabama Texas A and M. Game Week to believe it's pretty significant game. The Georgia game week four is in my mind the game of the year in the SEC. So you know this is a conference looking at the schedule broadly and objectively, versus maybe what you are not may want and what we are used to be pretty cruel not at the Alabama Auburn game in but that is not the number one priority we are. Officially. Out of time for this program, we appreciate all of you for being a part of it some really interesting guests today we'll. Uh, see you right here tomorrow. Thank you for listening to the Paul Finebaum Show podcast the Paul Finebaum show ears weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern. 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Hour 3: 8/27/2019
"The paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the capital one sabre card earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all all other purchases now. When you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply the cried passion and pageantry of of college football leaves here the paul finebaum show our three podcast back <hes> guide you with us here as we continue the the second half of the program already mike bell as drive-by. Jake bentley expected to come on board tomorrow as carolina gets ready to take on north carolina. Let's get some more calls. Here in j is in knoxville jay. Welcome to the program good afternoon. Hey power how you doing. We're doing well. Thanks so much good. I told you about my disability and stuff but i wanna tell you a little bit about my family. It is true university of tennessee football program sure now i my dad took me my first game and not paying for it and we playing the yellow jackets georgia yellow jackets and and i was very young and then would've we've had season tickets our to ninety five and we get them but <hes> i went to my father's games and everything and in the sixties and seventies football players us come down ride horses and stuff if i'm out of farm and then laid around <hes> my sister she had cancer nineties eighties and ninety three she passed away wish you love university of tennessee and johnny majors and then phillip fulmer took over she just loved him so much and we used to have she said seasons but the last two years she had to go in the booth show. She was so sick watching the university football him but she was able to do it for two years where she passed away. She loved her so much. Thank you on patrick traded and i love your show and you know what's going on so much with these and i'm just so proud of my family's history. Will you know roy actually had three people so thank you for taking my well. Listen thank you and it's always tough to go through something like that but <hes>. I hope you'll continue to call in here and we'll be thinking of you and your family. Thank you very very much. Thank you have a good today about great to hear from you. Thanks much. John is in florida john. You're on the air go right ahead john john thank you for taking my call. I didn't mean to a hang up on the last time without him. I thank you again for taking my call that day. All excited over ric flair flare <hes>. I'm calling <hes> about the gators. I thought that of course was a sloppy football game but it's almost like a preseason game for the college. Guys is and i hope that's not the offense. We're gonna present throughout the rest of the season <hes> the other thing. I wanted to ask you about part written articles. The gene rose and the washington post about a couple that <hes> they were actually vacationing in the same area that the n._c._a._a. Really committing was staying at and they were taking extreme liberties and i guess this couple <hes> big boosters to one of the schools schools i don't recall which one and they were just a aghast at the money that these people were spending and that they were thinking that that it should go to the athletes instead of these people out in california with with <hes> menus no price on 'em staying uh resorts for to figure out who's the top ten teams in the country. I think that's crazy to when it could have been done on a on a simple phone call. What do you think off. Nope yeah listen. I'm somewhat at a loss owen when when i hear stories like that it <hes> <hes> it leaves leaves me speechless because people do act that way what what tell me a little bit more about that though from what understand the committee i i wish i had the article here with me but there are people on the top of the committee who do the college football the top rankings and there was a young or whatever couple they were. They will happen just by happenstance be at the same time. These people are staying being out in california and i'll read asli expensive place for anybody to stay and they were just money could have been spent <music>. Okay let me let me let me let me say. I did read that article now. I i apologize. I was confused by much about something else which isn't unusual. I know it's easy to come down on people based on where they go go and what they stay and try to try to equate whether the college football playoff committee spending a thousand dollars or night or whatever it is to stay at a resort and ask the question shen why players being paid i. I'm not sure the to really necessarily go together. Someone someone else makes said determination and i. I know most of these people. I don't think they're you know they would be any worse off if they stayed at at a holiday inn express but my point is it really. There's a better way to deal with the issue issue. That expense is the is the issue. I think the n._c. Double a.'s refusal to even consider the issue and that's really where the problem is. Mark emirates the president the n._c._a._a. Has said <hes> players will be paid over his dead body well. That's a stupid thing to say when you consider <hes> what the n._c._a._a. Basketball tournament brings in every year and it's in the billions and you consider how he gets around in a private plane and then <hes> you know spent tens of millions of dollars for taj mahal office building. I think that's more more serious than where the college football playoff committee stays for their annual seminar. I'm an art california okay. I've got one other. I can ask you a personal question before i let you go. Yes and your heart of hearts in tennessee was back on top again. Well listen john when you're when you're when you're an alumnus of the school. Even though it's been years since i've lived there you never lose out affinity. You want you want your school to do well now. I i am a different venue now. I'm i'm not covering the university of tennessee for the for the school paper like i did in college but yes it would <hes> i. I would love to see tennessee <hes> compete for s._e._c. Championships and national championships. It's pretty long injury walk in the desert even though we all you know fain neutrality and objectivity that that's based on and how we treat teams and and how we offer varying opinions i a <hes> in spite of criticism. I never let where i am or or the schools. I cover affect what i think. I tried to give it fairly strong opinion and sometimes that causes me a lot of problems. Let's go to red dog next. Is this dog one or two. There's only one red dog paul. Tell right to tell him. That dog does that all the national saturday night. Non ah the game they want to number one is income on me because i i get all the games. I'm a i'm a bulldog trewin through and florida's. What is a joke. They want an absolute embarrassment. You know the only way florida's gonna play a championship game. Paul is if they joined the a._c._c. Play clemson because that was authentic <hes> they looked about as bad as in the a._c._c. team and <hes> tennessee's not back on top kentucky's the number two team this see people need need to deal with it south carolina's three. I don't know florida florida navy pulling up the rear. I'd i'd take van you ever then so lance <hes> mattie eddie you can pick a new team to root for not to ball this year but <hes> it's all had science red dog number two because he'll come in. He'll call it a minute. He's chomping on the hotdog. Tell them i'll be up in nashville and he asks for me. I'll be good <hes> red dog a typical georgia fan trashing florida listen. I never thought florida would get to the s._e._c. championship game. I think you have to be realistic that the gators may have had an off night but they still wanna game against <hes> the university emerson miami which is one of the more story names in college football history in terms of championships. David is up next. Hello david hey paul. I want to know this is a a bucket list item for me. <hes> not real high up. I'm not <hes> that fund end of <hes> host the show but <hes> i've had a hankering to call in and <hes>. I'm glad you made happy. <hes> thank you <hes> i'm a gator fan and and <hes> i'll put my comments about that away quickly like <hes> you've mentioned several times and they wanna know and a month now. The margin of victory or the sloppiness of the game is that a cetera won't matter for squat <hes> franks the whole team will improve. I think franks franks is still suffering from a little immaturity <hes> and perhaps got alot of full of themselves with the off season high etcetera etcetera sort of but and i think miami is gonna end up being a pretty <hes> pretty decent <hes> pretty decent team at the end of the day. Let me ask you though david as somebody who follows the university of florida. What do you think was going on saturday night. I mean i realize they won but <hes> it was at times difficult to watch <hes> <hes> yeah it was it was a sloppy game and way too much jain that cetera et cetera and <hes> i was disappointed to see far to kinda get drawn into that especially with with cilipi <hes> he's is wasting too much energy <hes> join with other players and fans that said are like daddy's better serve spending time <hes> listening to <hes> assistant coaches are talking receivers or something would appear to me but i i'm confident confident melon. I'm not ready to fire mullins and i think he'll get getting things to anyone else about <hes> well no but i've heard <hes> so communist with some people that <hes> well you know typical over overreaction. I guess to the situation. I think you know a big takeaway is that <hes> miami is is is going to be a pretty good team. <hes> pretty confident of of that and many is in his his colleagues that the job is scheming up the defense sense and <hes> and the result was <hes> what what we saw <hes> florida's got almost three weeks or they have three weeks between that game and then this this next significant one which is at kentucky and <hes> i'm pretty hopeful and confident that we'll see a different look and and and and go from there <hes> so <hes> you know you and i have a a significant <hes> some commonality as as far as backgrounds in a few years older than you but <hes> i have a liberal arts degree from the s._e._c. school. I was a philosophy major your florida <hes> and i have <hes> spent twenty years as a print sports sports writer and i've been unbought dinner by danny sheridan hundred well yeah if you if you end up buying dinner for danny sheridan that's breaking news because i never confronted danny is danny picks up the check. He is some pretty <hes> a pretty famous restaurants with them. But how long were you in the newspaper business david <hes> but <hes> twenty five years. Here's how does <hes> my <hes> kind of wander into. I just thought hey that looks like fun doing and back then you could. You know volunteer here. Practically it'd be a cover a high school game and and get a foothold and and go <hes> and go from there <hes>. I was in the early early wave. I love <hes> the business starting to shrink so i spent the last ten twelve years of my working career as a high school math breath teacher at my alma mater <hes> but <hes> i you know i saw some some great a lotta. I covered mostly a football high school in college football. I was this could be college editor of the the tampa tribune which is a feisty mid major type that you work for and <hes> so <hes>. I you know that that was what i did and it was a lot of fun. The first college football game ever saw was the the <hes> first florida florida state game and i was a freshman at the university of florida. The year spurrier won the won the heisman as a player. That's a bonus legit. That's pretty. That's pretty pretty listen. I appreciate your call very much. Look forward to chatting again. We're up against a break and we have a lot to do. Chip towers will join us in a moment covers the university of georgia which i david covered the university of florida chip will be with us now. You're listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast welcome back. We continue right here. In new york is <hes> we can see as we had a really interesting tuesday afternoon. Program br more of your phone calls at eight five two four to seven to eight five. Mike novell joined us earlier the head coach at memphis. Take on ole miss saturday morning at the liberty bowl tower shortages covers. The dogs and let's see how the dogs are as they get ready to take on vanderbilt in the s._e._c. the opener chip. Thanks very much so not not often you see an s._e._c. opener. What's <hes> what's the vibe. You're getting around the georgia football complex yeah. It's a it's. It's very positive. <hes> you know <hes> from a team standpoint i mean i think the fact that you're opening against an s._c._c. Opponent gets your attention pretty quick. I mean eastern division opponent no less so you know. You can't mess around with that. You'd better be ready to go and and then you know the i guess kinda the reality side of it. I you know it's it's vanderbilt. Its power five opponent. It's s._c._c. opponent but it's not not this <hes> mount everest. You don't feel like you can summit you know and and i you know the reality and perception will find out what the differences references a on on saturday but you know it. Your japan's are very optimistic about understand. They're going there by the tens of thousands <hes> <hes> trying to overtake the place and so there's a lot of excitement from an atmosphere standpoint much more than you would normally see about playing vanderbilt when they traditionally due in october so you know i think it's a great opener for georgia and you know i'm i'm in athens right. Now the practice facility and you know they're. I think they're pretty really excited about it. Let's talk about cam. Ship is now over season is here as you watch this over the last four weeks what stood out <hes> and his anything concern you you know so there's three really areas of concern. I'm for georgia. I think head and ended the season and and and you might wanna put quote marks around concern. I don't know but that you know for me. They were you know defensive line <hes> secondary and then obviously obviously wide receiver you know. That's something that everybody's talked about. <hes> you know i i kind of after what are we. <hes> you know twenty practices so twenty five days <hes> since camp opened i think y- check check and check for most for the most part <hes> you know georgia's secondary secondary. I think looks pretty good. They've recruited <hes> a lot of guys. They're markedly bigger <hes> in the secondary than they have been in recent years. <hes> you know that's a specialty for for kirby smart you know i think those guys are going to be coached up. Pretty well the defensive line. I i've changed my tune on that a little bit but just because the number and the experience there. I think that might outweigh is there an all star there. <hes> you know along the lines of quitting williams i i don't know but there's a lot of good players and if you look at their six seniors there including the graduate guy and they've kinda averaged i think twelve or thirteen games engy year so those guys are pretty experienced and i think they're going to be solid if nothing else if not they got a freshman they're five star trayvon walker. He's going to travel the vanderbilt. They're very excited about it and then the wide receivers is kinda the same thing there's a lot of apollo i mean there's you know fourteen sixteen however many they are <hes> you know there again <hes> you can see the kirby factor there and they're they're bigger. They're taller <hes>. I think there's three guys that are six five <hes> another two or three reather six three. All of them are six feet or taller. <hes> you know the rest of the world wrestling s._e._c. Certainly risk college. Football probably aren't familiar with a lot outta the names but some of them you know. Are you know five star signees. They got three of them in that group so they came highly recommended anyway so i think george or just answering all those and then the the big thing though paul the the bottom line is your quarterback. You're running back in that offensive line. I mean i think that's what puts georgia in the national championship s._e._c. Championship conversations and those guys are all <hes> present and accounted for. I get asked a lot of questions. It seems like i'm in new york today. Chip and everyone up here wants to go ahead and move the season to january because <hes> they don't think anyone other than and clemson and alabama applying and i keep trying to to say hey what about georgia. How would you argue that point to those whose heads are way up in the skyscrapers that georgia doesn't exist. I mean how how far of fall from number two number three three or maybe how close would you say. Georgia is to alabama yeah. I think that line is razor thin and i i think nick saban will tell you that he probably asked told you that you know no i mean when when they came out of the georgia game <hes> last year <hes> you know he talked about he thought the georgia belonged because you know that was the toughest thing they had met until clemson in a little while later but <hes> you know it really is raising fan. I do believe between georgia and bama that you know recruiting rankings every year. Tell you that that should be the case but it's on the field you know the proof is on the field and and say what you will about the collapses. Georgia's had you know against alabama that wasn't smoke and mirror. They use who's to get significant leads on alabama. You know maybe they choke. Maybe the gag on a low but you know clinton's a perfect example of that doesn't happen into perpetuity if you keep putting yourself in that position sooner or later. You're going to get over it. That's where this program is. That's where these players inside this program believe they're not intimidated by alabama in in any way shape or form <hes> or clemson for that matter they feel like that they're just as good as those guys and so that's why you had the the kirby mantra this year is is do you more and he's been using phrases like <hes>. <hes> you know aggregate of marginal gains or something like that talking about you know. They're that close so if they can and just get over the edge now they've. They've had some setbacks that you know j._j. Harlem and losing him in the middle of the summer was not a good thing that was your most proven receiver but the way georgia operates you know receivers are almost like a luxury your georgia's not going to be. I don't think under jim <hes> jane james coley quite the a pound the ground team that they have been in the past. I think they can do more. There's a phrase again with with jake brahm but you know you don't you're not looking. You don't need to track me georgia. It does win games because of their offensive <hes> system in strategy. They win games because they have better players and right now. It looks like they they they still do you know with exception of the teams that you just mentioned before you go in a we haven't really talked about this but there was another arrest over the weekend and i know people can draw aligns and come to conclusions or they can just look at these as isolated situations <hes>. What's your view chip of. The latest arrests at georgia yeah. There's there's been to many of them in kirby will tell you that too. I think this might have been the seventh one <hes> this year and this was just a dumb when you know it's one of those situations the kid bill norton is from tennessee and <hes> you know he's probably going to redshirt. He was heading that way not really on the three the that that <hes> you know that hi fashion kirby doesn't share those but <hes> you know he he just made a dumb choice got the police report today and and driving down baxter st the middle of town at two thirty in the morning you know gets pulled over by police and it had been drinking and and he's going to be punished for it so i i'm not sure if he hadn't been in a red shirt situation that he would necessarily have been out at two thirty in the morning on a saturday before the opening week but you know who knows <hes> who you know i i think that these buying large have been <hes> you know isolated youthful instances with the exception of the the j. j. holland and i know there's a you know the expectation <hes> referendum that's going on in in the s._e._c. <hes> georgia showed o.'day a no tolerance policy on that front even though there's some some questions about what took place from j._j. Holiday fool around with it he found himself out and is now at florida international the university university georgia's top receiver from last year so <hes> i think in most cases these are isolated incidences that happened on campuses. This is all over america towers. Thank you very very much georgia taking on vanderbilt saturday night in nashville chip always good to have you on cba. Thank you very much short break. We're not done yet. A lot of time for phone calls the rest of the way at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. We are coming right back. You're listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast off back in new york. Welcome back in a good show. We'll talk quarterbacks in the final hour. There's some good ones in the s._e._c. We'll talk to one of them tomorrow. Jay bentley kenny is in west virginia. Welcome back to the show. Kennedy seems like we were just talking yesterday. You know it does seem like that paul. How are you doing today. I'm doing great. Thank you for being back on. Hold their a by the way g._m. Us mere mortals due to be placed on hold to be put on the on the show there but <hes> danny says to me. He says kenny he said you got us in trouble yesterday. At your call all hell broke loose with the miami thing and was kidding or was he just trying to cheer me up he was it's not wrong as they say he moves out wrong. I i don't really remember day-to-day. Wanna wanna wanna yeah. I mean kenny listen. You didn't do anything wrong. I did so we were just having a conversation. I said some things and i have dealt with them and <hes> but it's it's all good by you well. <hes> you know the one thing i also wanted to say to you. Know takes a big person. Listen to apologize. <hes> you know the i. I don't see how you deal with all the negativity every day like you do. <hes> you know the the my fans and things they said you awake for the game of course you know if they were bigger person as you are. They called apologized to you but we both go. That's never gonna happen. You know i've never <hes> i've never been big on asking people to to do that and and even when somebody has occasionally called in <hes>. I'm not really interested in that. Talk to me about what you say and how you deal with it and i i said earlier i better and it's my job to to run this show properly and sometimes i felt very comfortable talking to you i i think i treated the call like we're at the end of the bar and let's be perfectly honest with you. Just because you say something <hes> at the ended the bar doesn't mean you really mean that <hes> but yeah. I heard terrible in <hes> i i. I tried to explain earlier in the show. You don't even know the half of it. He said but the but normally when i'm talking to you it's exactly like being at the end of the bar without you being here because i'm usually here with the bud light you you know our yard in the bar so it's you know it's it's really kinda right on the money you know listening to the the call you had with math error where <hes> you know talking about the genesis of the show and what has grown into a it it kinda gives me one is. I didn't have what jim's problem is because because he used to be a big fish in a in a small pond and now he's a small little insignificant guppy in the ocean pretty much and he wants to go back back to the way they were and there. That's never gonna happen but but you know i was thinking about today. Okay he spends all this time to get on and to be put on hold and then the only thing he talks about was being put on hold. He doesn't talk about anything else. You know except for that and what i wish he would do. I mean because you know as he says he's smart man but if ten or fifteen people calling every day and complain about you maybe have to look in the mirror and say it. Maybe it's not the rest of the world is wrong. Maybe it is me and maybe do some self reflection there because he <hes> he only calls because there's some perceived slight on on <hes> on his side from you know from someone on your show where the show itself and then you know. That's one of the show's really good because house. He'll say i'm not gonna call anymore. I'm not gonna call anymore and then we get three days of peace and then of course he can't keep his word and he calls for three days but you can put his calls on a loop and you can have one from last week last month last year and play it and we will never really know the difference wilson. Hey thank you very much kenny good to have you on. Jeff is in columbus ohio. What's going on today. Paul jeff all is great in the world as sound good. Hey i respect your apology paul but i'm going to be honest with you. 'cause i know you're always honest with me and the call and the and the show general. I don't think you need it to apologize. I really don't i mean i think you're only mistake was your choice of words. I think most likely i call him a punk progam. Damn 'cause that's what they are. The fans like punks you all two weeks leading up to the game and their players but their attitude a lot of times to me comes offers pump program but can i ask you a fair question. Yes you partly apologize because your superiors asked you to know no <hes> my superiors did not ask me too because if they did i'd really like to know if they would've asked you to apologize if you had said the same thing about an oklahoma ohio state for michigan and the reason i asked you i've talked to you before about this ball. I'm getting really concerned about the the influence that networks especially between the e._s._p._n. And fox because of these conference networks affiliation where this is all going to go in the leadership of college football football because i think the networks right now are running college football and i feel there's gonna be a big divide between fox and e._s._p._n. And i think it's gonna on a trickle down to how things are run and tim brando was better for years jeff. I think it's already happened. Remember two years ago. The night ohio ohio state played wisconsin. I believe it was in the when the when the guy the quarterback of colorado. I can't think of his name was going. I'm crazy. I mean you had to broadcasters openly campaigning for ohio state. I i people always accuse me of being a homer. I i i've been last year as you know is is the first time i have not openly supported ohio state getting in the playoffs. I know i agree three and the and the guy just drawing a blank on his name but the their main color mammoth gus johnson you're right it was almost embarrassing as ohio state's they and they were openly campaigning in bothers me that there isn't a commissioner college football or somebody that's in charge because the networks are getting too powerful and this is why rip on the media because they're getting too powerful and people take their opinions as facts way too often and it gets everybody all going the wrong direction i can't i think it's bad for the sport. I really do and it's going to be. I think the divide is getting bigger and bigger her and that's why. I wanted to know because i when i heard your apology. My first thought was that you were asked you. I'm not i'm not being critical of your apology. I felt you really let me say something. Jeff and danny bram can can back me up because i was talking to him and mark yesterday the second. I said it was wrong. <hes> <hes> sometimes you're in the middle of the show and you just go okay maybe <hes> and then you started getting response and i'm not one that lives my life based on criticism on on social media but at some point it it got to a level where i personally had conversations or interactions with people who really were genuinely you only heard by my statement and that's that's the last thing i ever wanted to do on this. Program is to <hes> in. I i <hes> my discourse on fan bases to hurt someone. I mean nothing wrong with criticism poking fun but when and you hurt someone because it's misconstrued and i feel good about who i am and i'm not here to sell myself to to you or anyone else. You're watching and listening to this show for for reason but it comes to a point where sometimes you you realize that the best thing to do is to deal with it and to deal deal with it <hes> fully and not halfway a and i believe you. I believe you said that but i agree with you. This show is banned. I get a lot of backlash and flak being ohio state fan and i and you joke around with me too and i get it and i laugh with you. Once you call the the big ten network but i you gotta give you and your staff especially after your five year anniversary. This show is what differentiates the s._e._c. Network from every other network worked this show and this show only and you know that and i know that and that's why e._s._p._n. One of the show i'm sure so i give you props because it is. It's fun on because college. Sports is fun. It's fun to go back and forth like you guys said sitting at the end of the bar poking fun and then some people can't take it. They just move move on you know and that's why i just don't get it sometimes. When everybody gets all bent out of shape i mean you could climb on me. I'm gonna laugh about it and come back. Ah let me head to the breakers. Were in a hurry for for time but everyone is not the same and i listen. We're not here to to to to please the world world but but you you do have to be sensitive to certain issues and and and where i was yesterday was a blurry line and i know oh wait. I meant but people saw two different way than <hes>. Let's talk about it. Thanks for the call. We are coming back with much much more to listening to the paul finebaum show. Oh podcast back glad you're here. Sean is up next as we continue on a tuesday afternoon sean in indiana. Hello sean hey paul. Thanks so much for taking my call of the show today. Thank you very much really good one yeah. It's my pleasure <hes> first off. I just wanted to say day that <hes> you know you don't maybe did maybe to apologize but <hes> your human like the rest of us and we all i'll make mistakes right so <hes> do our best to just keep on keeping on thank you but <hes> again my pleasure <hes> i think he's been hitting some great points on the michigan front as you know my huge michigan and <hes> and i agree. I think that we have a lots of group and a lot of empty haven't proven <hes> but i i also think jim harbaugh has a special place and most of michigan football fans heart so with that being said i i do not see him going anywhere and if you look at the way he's developed a program flick it where were paul we had rich rodriguez and radi hope it whizzing. Our program was decimated we couldn't it couldn't compete with the ohio states and the alabama's and the georgia's because we didn't have the two and three d. players. Here's to keep the rotation going. If that makes any sense no it does and and listen i. I've been pretty pretty loud critic jim harbaugh but i would struggle to make a change because he doesn't win the big ten. I mean this is a big opportunity for him. I think he'll get it done but you better you better. Have the program is good right now. It's just not as great as everyone predicted it would be. I don't know anyone who could come in right now and and and ensure that it is going to be better i i completely agree. I think he is finally getting it to a point where we are getting those great two and three d. players and and but at the same time i do completely agree i agree with you on your point of you have to you have to win that game. I mean he can't serve. I mean we can't just keep going early on forever without eating ohio know that that becomes too difficult to overcome sean thank you i mean that's one thing every fan of michigan and ohio state know how important jordan that game is were heading to a break. Final hour is directly in front of us.
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"Fried passion than patrie of college football leaves here. The paul finebaum. Show our four podcast. Our it's been a busy show so a lot of conversation about what's been happening in knoxville. Today with a new athletic director higher will continue that conversation and let us also continue with your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven to eight five which begin in knoxville and josh is up. I hey josh. Hey paul how are you doing. We're doing well. thank you very much. Yeah so First time caller and real quick. You know i went to the university of tennessee. I will never forget the first time. I met you You were there for. Sec game day. We were playing alabama I worked at ya say. Do we stand a chance. He said no shot and lo and behold we. We didn't stand a chance. You know. I've been listening a lot about the ad hiring you know. You may have touched on this earlier. But i just walked to get your inside. Who do you think would be some under the radar nine that we should consider the new a day should really consider when undertaking this starch I've heard of leopold from buffalo would be interesting. Well i i was. I was told today about someone who knows him a lot better than i do that. You need to look to his pass to try to predict his future and leopold is one of his better hires. Scott frost tire clearly That's not going to happen but You know he got on who. Who's a little bit off the radar screen at the time. we just got through talking to nato ch- in i mean not many people knew nato to outside of the basketball cognizant tie and i don't think he's going to bring in a big name a few freeze i don't think is in the running. I i don't think Some of these bigger some of these pro names that are popping up. i think he'll hire a jamey. Chadwell type coach someone that he feels comfortable with but also believes will be a fit for the long haul. I don't think he wants to hire a coach and then be hiring another coach in two years. Yep i'll agree more you know. I like to consider myself a little bit more realistic in the average fan. I just want to get back to that. Eight and four nine three tough window. I think if we can get better than we can really start competing. I you know so we can get back door open. And i'll be truthful about jeremy. Pruitt would get better at that. Hey by the way. I did too because you know he had great credentials and i will tell you that. There were people in alabama quietly talking about jeremy pruitt as a replacement for saving the comments. Jeremy pruitt i just with the problem. Jeremy put is he never changed he. He didn't learn from his mistakes and he dug a deeper hall which is always a bad Abed characteristic yeah for sure but anyway take anymore of your time. I really appreciate how continue. Okay thank you very much Great to talk to you. Josh and hopefully meet again when the this kobe goes away for good. Jerry is up next in georgia. Hey jerry hey paul questions for you is heard from coach starling. I heard that he was putting a hospital this weekend. After a heart attack and the other is i think chat with his knees. Job at tennessee does not yeah I agree with you on chadwell as far as a coach stallings man. I did not I did not know that So we will. We will certainly double check and see if we can get some information him. A couple of weeks ago Thanks jerry appreciate the The information let's check in with matt who is up next. Hi matt i wanted. And i thank you for the appreciation in kind. Show me in for everybody on this. Show beginning through this season paul. This kobe season all. You are the man of forced talk radio and i wanted to thank you and the kindness. You've shown people like me paul. Well matt thank you for saying that but we appreciate you being a part of the show always long. Thank you paul. Volunteer by touching in basketball and football fighting buzz lanes. And i've really good this year in basketball team. The heck of a coach nineteenth turning around his basketball program days have he's poised to have a good year this year and so's jimbo fisher in his sports here because he's bringing them really good recruiting class. Yes the corvette battle. It's gonna be really interesting fighting in football. Twenty twenty one. I think you do even better than one. And i want to get your thoughts enough paul. He i knew the second. Look at the schedule. That's always critical and You know i do know. He has alabama at home. So i think that is probably the best news of all the news that you could say Who is a non conference game. Do you know matt new. Non conference game is colorado. Okay kingsgate in in the second one is some. I can't even pronounce your name. That's a that's a good start. I mean you'd rather play colorado than clemson which happened a couple of years ago. Hey thank you for the call. You'd be well. Greg is up next. Hey greg doing today sir. we're we're really really well. Thank you for the call First time caller I have a question Maybe you could help me understand here. to say supposedly admonished Phillip fulmer Before they ncw investigation was complete They pretty much in my opinion through dear under the bus and As i'm sure you remember everybody in the past Related the secret witness for the case against alabama to phillip fulmer at university of tennessee. So what's your opinion on. Why they would admonish him Before let him retire Prior to the investigation by the nc did what would you say about. The past is correct. I mean we spent years on this program talking about phillip fulmer role in the albert means investigation. That was twenty years ago. The reason why they moved on from him as they wanted to they did not want him hiring the next coach they wanted him out and the only way to get him out was to offer him a retirement package which they did and he accepted. Oh okay i understand that. On his behalf but I would it be possible for the relate to bring him back into investigation. Should they find something. Yeah mean. I don't think this is just based on preliminary information but i don't think phillip ulmer's role in this will be significant. Yeah he was in charge. But i i if if he had any culpability i don't think they would have agreed to pay him off. They may have just fired him. In spite of his reputation is reputation. Didn't stop him from getting fired. In two thousand and eight. Hey thank you very very much. Appreciate call william is up next in maryville. Hey pay paul how are you. We're great william. how are you well. You know. I don't want to beat the dead horse to death but only a couple of comments in part about what you just said the headlines that the you know the chance plowman and president boy you'd have in effect created these infractions to avoid sane. Jeremy pruitt here the facts. You know the fractures are there. Whether the university fires it pays pruitt extends his contract or you know annoying him as the The next greatest head coach in america. The infractions are there. If this was part of some sort of a ball to get rid of. Jeremy pruitt the number one. I don't think that this would have been leaked before the game and thereby forcing eric greatest sit out. I don't think that shelton fulton would have been fired on monday of this week. After the the plum big cat the defensive in from auburn and he played for him in high school announced. I think on saturday was coming to tennessee. Which is now you know decommitted from. I don't think it would have been announced the signing day. Because what would have happened would be okay. Let's get through signing. Let's get through what players we can get in and they will deal with this mess later. So i mean these in fracture there. I saw a headline that said something. Like you know as if this was all made up to fired your true. It and i don't believe that because they don't go away now number two. I would urge the transfers especially guys like him until who's been a class act since they want to take a deep breath and see. What did he white can do as far as the coach and the coaching staff because the grass isn't always greener. And you might want to. You know you might want to stick around for a little while what happens but number three i to address phil fulmer If he truly loves the university of tennessee he needs to take his vested retirement. His social security is gold. Watch and walk away. Because i will tell you paul. There are some people in this community. That are as aggravated about this. By out of his retirement people are tired of well. I think they're they're they're they're aggravated because number one. The news the news sentinel today said something. Why wasn't he fired for cause but if he truly retired he's not entitled to the benefits of his three year contract which was extended under very interesting situation. Interesting circumstances and i think people in this community and and i've talked to some are aggravated. The university continues to pay people former employees. Get huge money. Such as butch jones for not working and i don't believe i believe if you retire you take what's vested and you walk away. You don't take thirty seven thousand five hundred dollars a month for three years. Yeah i i agree Clearly he wasn't Clearly he was pushed out. You and i know that We phillip fulmer would have done anything possible to hang on and make the next higher. You're exactly right. It's a mulligan He he would. He would have given him a chance to right the wrong. And and let's not forget for those who don't know the history you can just tune out for a second william phillip. Fulmer was fired in late. There was some debate about it and he wa. He came up again. I can't remember year. Was twenty fifteen twenty somewhere in their two thousand sixteen for the job and he was passed over and it was given to john currie which created a lot of friction. And then he got again when when the ball overthrew curry. So this was a payback. This was a do over and the one thing that i don't think anybody really thought would happen would be would turn out to be a disaster and guess what it's a disaster. Yeah but i think if i told you on december fifth what was it Two thousand and a two thousand seventeen on the day that all this happened that on january eighteenth two thousand and twenty one. The program would be in worse shape. I don't think even you being cynic would a believe me. Well i mean. I wrote him a letter And it was in regard to joe. But i wrote him a letter and i said i'm glad you're there because i thought he was a good interim solution to calm the waters and bring people together. I did not know that he was coming in in hopes of getting long term contracts and a million dollars your because i didn't see him as a permanent professional athletic director and we had this conversation before i i wanted to believe in him Because i know how important he is to the tennessee. People and i think I'm as guilty as anyone william. I felt like his presence would make up for perhaps his incompetence as an administrator and i was wrong well again. I understand that i am. I just think that. I think he's got more couple ability Or more responsibility because he was the athletic director and maybe people described described to him. I mean the the news sentinel headlines today and i didn't read it work. Why wasn't phillip fulmer fired for cause. I don't know what the article says. 'cause i don't get the news sentinel but i. I don't know the answer that but there are some people. I got a text last night. Very prominent not only advertiser but boosted. It said you need to write president. Boyd and don day plow my about this And you're you're much closer than i am. But i i know a number maybe not a number but i know i know some. Ut people that are just done that they don't care who the athletic director is. They don't care who the head football coaches they are they are. They are taking a break. Okay by them. We've had so much dysfunction that You know sometimes you just have to take fall. But i do. I do think that daddy white seems to be in the right direction. Well he comes from a category of athletic directors. He's he's well thought of. But i'm not being cynical here bill william but i've i've seen a lot of these these type of aids come into very tough situations and they just don't get. They're not giving a chance. Well john currie. John currie had a great reputation to do you own or rent your home share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your home owners renters insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geiko dot com. Why at one thab. Death dan moss white was last one running delete. Qb's kenneth on td's lacrosse overstep behind love to watch the cloud because you danes finger push us bruce lee showing no mercy fat five the crew on deck believe no one knows goes deeper lab once episode. Espn download now. Of course he's ended up to wake forest. And you know. I don't believe you did go to wake forest. Yeah and and that's a great. That's a great school but it's a it's a much different place. 'cause i i went to wake forest law school and it's a great school. How is it's not know clubby town and hey thanks for the call. Always enjoy it. We'll take a break more. Calm your calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five right around the corner listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast. Welcome you back. Sandy is up next in tennessee. Hey sandy doing paul first-time caller thank you. Great to have you on his nice to reach you If you're still true. Ut fan guys what a williams you still love him. Even with last twelve years ago. Volved for relied. I'd like to talk about something. Nobody's talking about this facilities that you take. I tore don't almost four years ago. And then i read an article that international article that said we were writing before facilities then barred was number one and oh yeah stay. It was a four million dollar project is going on now that we might be right number one but regardless all that My son who who does a whole lot as you said they only a better knowledge would probably take him. I asked him why he stood with a fifty one billionaires out there so we've only got one or two and my last one. I'm like you respond to respond. To Is wearing the bubble helmets in practice. If that's so important to keep you out why don't you wait a minute game. Two great idea Hey thank you by though you are right And tennessee societies are fantastic. Right now if you don't have if you don't have superior facilities you're not going to succeed. South carolina just opened up a state of the art training facility about a year and a half ago. Has it helped them You everyone has these Some some schools have been a little bit slow to make the turn of georgia has one brand new practice facility. That's really where the action it. It's where the players spend the most amount of time. Let's continue with more phone calls. And chris is in louisiana. Hey chris you're on the air. I apologize from the west monroe. And i was just calling to tell you that I loved her interview with Carry out and you know being from west monroe. I'm of unm. And i just wanted to tell you a story about terry if i do it. That's a louis Years ago when he was at auburn his his either his first or second year All his scheduled you to come play them and in the fourth quarter you was winning and then in the last minute you elo women when it will on the last play of the gay alvin put it up and scored a touchdown and one the gang. Oh my you know they were topped contain and you carries going into the press conference and you know that. He's like david in the lies dan. Because you know to come you l. Become that close to you know. Make drop them down some in the so. Don't be a tough press conference where he walks in and he's laughing and it comes up there and says was a great game and you know people look at him and he says i just want to say this is the greatest victory in history. And i'm sitting there. I'm saying the greatest victory in their history. And then somebody asking terry greatest game offline. He says that's right because if we would have lost would have been the worst defeat in history that is and everybody started laughing and they just it just about and could pull that off. It turned a negative press conference into you. Something that he could deal with and so Paul i wanted to say. I said your interview with him i. I don't know if you call that interview us. I think you said How you doing terry. And then the next thing i know he tells you everything. And you're saying well nice talking to you. I've known. I've known him. Since he coach at sanford and i knew him very well. Obviously at auburn and He he could drive some coaches crazy. I'll i'll tell you a quick story. He one of the few coaches that really got under the skin of steve spurrier and when when alabama. Let's see i think. Auburn was like number three or four in the country and florida was number one in nineteen ninety four and they went down there to play in auburn ended up upsetting florida spurrier typical spurrier. And i say this as a as a as a as a fan but he he was trying to. He was ahead in the game and he couldn't be content to run the clock out. You got to keep passing. He threw an interception in auburn one at the end and when when when coach spurrier found out that bobby bowden had called terry at halftime and gave him a play. It drove him off the deep end. But yeah bowden beats barrier. Believe is i the first two times they met. Wow well we're so happy to have him here at the u. l. Am i tell you what. Paul i mean i know. He's a lot older now but he still a ball of energy he he's lost a lot awaiting. It looks really good and i. I was talking to Tim brando and other you graduate and tell me when you you know i. I don't know too many of the other people. But you know richard regions on this. He said it's an amazing staff As you probably know. More than i do but i appreciate them. Very much You'd be well. Hunter is up next at tennessee. Hunter we are doing route. We're really well. Thank you. But i got a quick question for you to see if you had heard anything about this ause reading on twitter today and i was listening to tony basilio but you know is a radio host alex washer and he quoted and said this today that when pruitt was fired and i don't know if this is just you know fan trying to make something up or see what you think about it and if you heard anything so we prove was fired blanket and sent to takes to two prominent boosters at tennessee and told them i'm ready to come home. It's funny because when i heard the news i sent a text to Kiffin saying are know almost the same thing and he laughed. He may have done it He tried to get that job the last time around. If you remember he I was on on. Espn on a program talking about him and he came on right after me and he would've taken it then. I don't think it came. I don't think it's He may. I think he was kidding. I'm not trying to To put down the story. But i i have no doubt that kiffin did it whether he was serious or not. I think is the question right. I was just wanted to get your thoughts on it. Because when i saw it you know you look on twitter sillier think it was legit a single legit well. I haven't talked to try but he He has a pretty good i. I mean. I think it's possible that you know lane being kidder did that and maybe he was i remember. He named his son knock so it was a pretty special place for him. It ended badly. And i always felt. He did not entirely deserve the the vitriol that he received but he was young. He he was arrogant. He remember he had odor on his staff and not only did leave. They ripped tennessee. Offer some players. They left tennessee's program in a in a really bad situation. It was understandable that the the angst would would go on but Thankfully it's all gone now. Would that be something you'd think tennessee might do with with danny white to go that route or that. That would be something that would be out of the question. I think danny white Will hire an up and coming coach to me. That fits his his Resume in the now. That doesn't mean he couldn't alter it. But i i really believe that. He is thinking more in terms of young aspiring sending coaches. Hey thank you very much for the call. We're up against the break much more to come right after this. You're listening to the paul finebaum show. Podcast could be back in. Alabama has made the hiring of bill. O'brien official the former texans head coach former penn state head coach. He is now the offensive coordinator and quarterback coach under nick sabin. Let's get back to the calls. And gary is in tennessee gary. Hey donna ball. Gary we are doing well thank you. I just wanted to watch johnny majors like about all. This bless his heart. yeah. I doubt Coach would be impressed. Would you what do you think well man. You're about the same age and we grew up with tennessee football. And we know what it's about and These new couches and stuff they. I don't think they grasp what it means to the fan base. I'm really mad at the fan base because they you can't do nothing without them getting on social media and cutting them down and making them afraid to doing this and that you know. i'm. I'm really mad at him talking to somebody in knoxville. Yesterday and and and butch jones couldn't deal with it journey pruitt couldn't deal with it. Tennis tennessee's a tougher job than you think. Because unlike alabama were everybody is all in other schools like that tennessee where the media the fans that they've been all over the map for a considerably long period of time and some of it's understandable. But it does make the job more difficult. Well you know when you get. I don't live too far from freeze was raised in huntington right. And it's just. I couldn't put up with it. You couldn't but within that i would move to job just because of that. Well it it. What it's going to take is a sustained success and sadly the program has not had success in a long period of time. Well you can't. You can't do it in three years. And the fans won't get off coaches but that long to let them build a team up. I saw jeremy. I li- jeremy. I've thought he was doing right. But i guess he wasn't looking behind him which he showed a man. Yeah no. I thought really A year ago he had a chance to to get it done. And and you know it doesn't matter we all know what happened but I really did believe that. He had the program on the right track. I don't know this guy that they are today. Dave what can you say about him. I he's a let me. I'll give you a little bit of background. He i think he went to notre dame he his. he's the son of kevin wide. Who was the notre dame athletic director. And now he is. He's been a duke. The last number years highly respected his brother Is the head basketball coach at florida and he. He worked at all misra a couple years. He went to buffalo where he made a lot of really good decisions and then he got the central florida job and hired scott frost and you know they have been very successful down there building a program. Well i'll i won't is before my time has gone. I just want us to be good again. I don't i read. We're expecting all national cash. The chancellor plowman and president boyd When down and i think Compton the head of the board of trustees went down to see him yesterday and they came away believing that he really wanted to be the coach and the a d. And that's what you want. You just don't want somebody to take the job because it looks good on a resume and you're trying to get a bigger job. Thank you for the call. Jack is in virginia. Hey jack how you doing today jack. We are doing well. Thank you very much. Couple thoughts Phil fulmer had his Jochen boys moment at tennessee and he failed is is one and then the other thing is one of the things. I haven't heard anybody talk about was what are the repercussions for the the guys who ate the happy meals and in And took the tip change I know that story is out there. And it's being propagated. But i don't know whether it's true or not and ultimately if you find out that there is some culpability for a player to take something it makes it it can do. They can end up prohibiting that player from playing to school. they can force him to go elsewhere. There they're all kinds of different things that can happen. But i i'm not being pollyannaish. But i don't know if that's true or not right bright. I thought you know the fish sticks from the head to the tail and this whole thing sticks. It doesn't and that's where Phil fulmer cannot scrape it away. I i'm sad. I think any reasonable person would be sad. You come back at a retirement. You're in a position to enact and effect change at your alma mater where you are one of the most beloved figures in it ends in disgrace if someone asked me earlier today how do i think phillip fulmer will be remembered. I think he'll be remembered very well. But it will take some time to get to that point. I mean we all. We forget why people leave schools I've covered the the good. The bad and historians point out situations like we are currently in tennessee but phil fulmer regardless of the last couple of weeks still has earned his place in tennessee folklore. Well he. He'll have to deal with it. I think tennessee. Like i said i think it was a junction boys. Moment that was failed. You got the same kind of stuff going. On in auburn where alumni can't keep their hands out of the pie and Bear bryant had to go down to junction to turn texas a and m. around and I'm an alabama guy and You know i get a lot of information from the raider indicator who stays up on all this stuff. I'm in virginia. I'm from virginia though. Well thank you very very much for the call We are Officially out of time for this program we appreciate all of you for being a part of it Some really interesting guests Today we'll see you right here tomorrow. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. Show airs weekdays on the sec network beginning at three eastern.
Tennessee Whiskey Relies on Missing Ingredients
"This is scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Christopher Dodd Yata all bourbon, whiskey doesn't have to be made in bourbon county Kentucky. But it does have to be produced from at least fifty one percent corn. And it has to be aged in unused charred oak barrels Tennessee, whiskey on the other hand must be made in Tennessee as the name implies. And in addition to the steps that create a bourbon, the distilled whiskey undergoes, another one called the Lincoln county process where you take your fresh whiskey this lie and you filter through sugar maple charcoal. It's also called charcoal mellowing trend. Curly is a graduate student in food science at the university of Tennessee institute of agriculture and just for the record personally, I prefer bourbon whiskey filtration through charcoal made from the wood of the sugar maple tree is known to mellow the flavor of Tennessee whiskeys like Jack Daniels, but the underlying chemistry was a bit. More of a mystery. So curly teamed up with the sugar Lynn's distilling company in Gatlinburg Tennessee to. Put their whiskey to the test. He used gas chromatography coupled with actual human sniffing to identify about three dozen aromatic compounds contributing to the whiskeys flavor profile, he then tracked the quantities of four of them to branch dock halls and two ethyl esters before. And after the Lincoln county process turns out the charcoal stripped out, a third of the branched alcohols in nearly half of the ethyl esters curly's advisor food chemist, John Peterman Afo. Hey, co message is that the branched alcohols and at the last Jewish that we analyzed in this study decreased, and that the distillate was smoother tasting and less harsh after the Lincoln county process. The researchers presented the work at an American Chemical Society meeting in Orlando and the goal. Curly says is to take some of the guesswork out of making great, whiskey, especially when the stakes are high. There was a head to Stiller at one of the big bourbon distilleries who said you really only get two chances to make a fifteen year old with. Munaf again, basically, we're just optimizing the tools to help the distillers get to the flavor profile that they want as for the flavor profile. He wants well. I'm not saying that Tennessee, whiskey is better just is. Thanks for listening for scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Christopher Don. Yata?
Bonus Episode 10 - June 3, 2019 AFP: American Family Physician
"Okay. I think I'm recording. Do I sound good on your end amazing and nice? Harry go right? All right. We'll see what happens. Wow. Are you ready? Bonus episode ten American family physician podcast, the musical episode eve, Bill Phoenix Knoxville. Let's do the first song go. That's a studio version of the physical exam song. Originally performed live in our second live show in Kansas City, bonus episode five after our physical exam maneuvers that matter segment. Yeah. Who needs a cat scan for atherosclerosis Bill? Thanks for coming on AFP podcast, while a junior faculty in Phoenix. You helped us start AFP podcast way. Back in twenty fifteen. It's hard to believe. We're going to go through all the songs of, if p podcast on this bonus episode all eleven of them. Yeah. Bills are musical creator. You've heard his name on the credits of all eighty plus shows so far over three years. Bill tells us what you're up to now in Knoxville. So I'm a core. Faculty member at the family medicine residency here in Knoxville where part of the university of Tennessee system with the graduate school of medicine, and I head up the clerkship for family medicine students across the state. Yeah. Very cool. So we'll talk more. But let's I play the original version of our theme song recorded in my living room and then we'll talk about it a bit. No. On a miss. Even the best American family physician on a mess. John in the best of Manley's disaster. On a mess. The best American family physician on a mission, the best front American jam any. But. Stab. On a mission? Limor in the best American exists on a mission. The best. Rob american. I'm fairly confident that my mother doesn't even like that version. I think was literally packing up. My car headed out of town, busy. Tennessee record that. And if you listen really carefully I think that your dog was actually jingling. It's collar, which we sub for tampering there for a while. Yeah. You can hear her jingle collar for sure. So literally that was you and Ryan who writes resident our program, Andy Orion Evans, also equally musically talented, he was a year behind me in residency, and we met through the Red Sea program became fast friends found a mutual of music together over the our time in Phoenix. So why, why do you feel like that version is so cringe? You know, just listening to it. It's terrible. I think that that's actually only reason y'all have a one-star zero star rating. On. I did we will talk about some of the reviews of that song later. And you know, unite over the decade, we've known each other have had some more far out there ideas. And I had no idea how this podcast was going to go. And I think we gave the good old college try that I go round. But the polish version which you'll hear later, I'm a little more proud of. Yeah. And I think part of it was that we had no idea that anyone who's gonna listen. And so, hey, there's only one word that rhymes with physician and its mission. And you know what we made it work. And honestly, we stood true to the form changed a few Lear IX around, but overall, the structure was there from the beginning, we have a special message from a friend of the pod, and some special music low, HUD, this is Jay w Lee family medicine revolutionary bringing your positive vibes from the great state of Cal. -fornia. Thank you. Jay le- family, doctor, and cellist. You can hear our interview with Dr Lee on episode four my favorite advice from Jay become the doctor, you wrote about in your personal statement. In addition to our theme song and music for our two live shows periodically. I'll text Bill and say, hey, I haven't idea can you come up with a song for that, like the prevention priorities game. Here's a couple of clips from episode thirty two welcome to the twenty seventeen prevention priorities game. But how. Examining. Versus outcomes. Explain. In the Jin priorities gay. The winner of our first prevention priorities game is Evan. So Tyler tell Evan what he's one winners of the prevention priorities game. Take home a four pack of Numa Bax, ten years supply of fecal, occult blood test kits and a copy of the prevention priorities home game. Congratulations evan. Examining calls versus outcomes. You explain. And the engine priorities gay. So then a couple years ago when flu season was so bad and winter approaching Steve asked me to come up with something flu shot related, which my buddy and colleague here in Knoxville. Justin Jenkins and I recorded for episode forty eight to get your flu shot yet. Now, I never get the flu shot. Nixon fatigue, not the way it's been. Save gets after the Brig limited on the Sean. Unless you. Zone. Better. Bill. How do you sit down and write a song, I think it depends on the message. So for some of the jingles, you've asked me to do like to channel my inner Paul Shaffer. We were you'll Letterman or Leno guy Letterman certainly Holdaway Paul Shaffer. I side as a true inspiration for some of these songs. And I think figuring out how to write a catchy jingle and convey, whatever we're trying to, to tell or to accomplish those short seconds, it, it's quite a project, and it's a fun, little puzzle trying to put in words and, and melodies into short songs. I think that the way I start I figure out the main point. So, for example, you've sent me articles occasionally with key medical. Journey the nerdy thing. And so I'll sit down and kind of get a rhyming dictionary out and see what rhymes with physician or mission or atherosclerosis or whatever. So you play you play a few instruments. Yeah. Primarily the piano, and the key tar, which I'm pretty proud of it's very, the keytar is highly underappreciated. It certainly is. Thank you for recognising. I also played the trumpet in the marching band 'cause it's kinda hard to March piano, and I do enjoy playing guitars while two excellent. And before you are a doctor, you were actually planning on being a rockstar or were you actually kind of Iraq star? I think it's a little bit of an overstatement, but I did have a, a pretty good career touring with a rock band throughout college. And actually after graduation before I went to medical school. I think in my personal statement, I told the joke what's the difference between a jazz musician? I play jazz music time, jazz musician in a I think it was a large pepperoni pizza. And the punchline is the pepperoni pizza can feed a family of four. And so. That's also thanks to my mom, but recognizing you know, there probably wasn't a future self sustaining career for a guy who wanted to have a family one day and recognizing the medicine was my, my true. Love's sent me at a different direction yet. We'll talk a little bit more about your music later. Let's play two more songs. We wrote for games at our live shows. Here's a clip from our first live show, episode eighteen for our name that drug segment, featuring Bill and Ryan on vocals, and guitar and whistling in harmony. So one of the things about a podcast and doing a medical podcast is there are often drugs that are very difficult to know. We have a new game American family physician present name that drug. Miscommunication can ruin dictation. How do you say the pharmaceutical? It's Don phonics for pharma tonics. It's your favorite new game name that drug. This occasion in ru dictation outta you say Armagh suit at gall. It's up. For your exit your favorite new game name that. For the record, I've always wanted to write a whistle song. And you gave me that outlet. So thank you. You nailed it, but you are not at our second life show. No. And that's a very good thing because my wife gave birth to my daughter Maggie the night before y'all recorded it. Yeah. July of twenty seventeen amazing and she's adorable. I agree. So, yeah. So just an Ryan performed a song that justed wrote for the medical demonic audience participation game. Bonus episode five. Here's our new Monica looks like we have to contestant so far. All right. So there's so much to learn medicine. Sometimes you need a memory trick or pneumonic to help you remember things. So we thought we'd have our first ever live show, pneumonic contest. I was tired of my old ways. I've been reading for. With an empty. I like how this fit. When it pumped into my. There's a way to remember. Everything that I just read. A easy on your brain. If you can't remember. All sounds of saying. Street through the night too. Come on down here into. That's your pain. Also sometimes on both live shows, we just had to shovel some papers to prepare for the next segment, again, my Interpal Shaffer. We're just gonna shuffles some papers here for second build, you have any paper shuffling, music. We pay. Jump in bay. The famed burgers for now. For them. The paper. Definitely exceeded my expectations. Should we gotta Shuffler papers? Jeff Burs, our chef chef. Paper, shuffling papers shelves shift, shoveled and played. All these we have had yet. Win by Seipat seventeen bird shackle. In pay. We've had two songs on the podcasts that I didn't right? Yeah. Here's primary care dreams from medical student Jamie ituna episode twenty nine we talked to her on that episode also. And she sent us an update which after the song, Jamie is definitely not throwing away her shot. Foot in the doors. About my beginning my training path been chasing. No more waiting. I think it's just the type of doctor that planning to family bed because the front lines called me. I want to the to the change. I want to. But when I say, this most PCP's disagree, they say, no, I don't think that's what you want to pursue notion of what I do is misconstrued paperwork, are what I tend to in lieu of patients. I feel like I'm wasting my training and amassed a lot of bit throughout my education for insurance and referrals to be my occupation. It's not health. It's recording information. It's complacent. You don't want a lifetime, frustration doc. That's exactly why I need to do it. We need people pursue it to improve it, and renew it for those primary care, can you imagine? What happened? We need to make these doctors can be happy and be paid adequate way invested here. Alternately helps the industry city if we can honor these doctors and stimulate incentives. It'll foster to resist that encourages prevention. No. That I have to get involved with all the problems. Never get resolved in a position to make perfect system. But believe it, I speak into existence as Dr incident, it's crucial that we do this lay the blueprints, I put the work in produce don't give up hope the system thrives on submission. It's time we take our healthcare back from your recruits politicians. Hi, af podcast. This is Jamie. Thanks for listening to my song, which I recorded like over two years ago. Now I just finished my second year of medical school. And I'm off to rotations this summer in school of gotten involved with research around type two diabetes and OBI city and fasting and other nutrition related things. So I fired to focus on these things as a family medicine physician in the future. So I absolutely still have those primary care dreams. Thanks for listening, go future, Dr Kaduna. We also got a great musical submission from some friends in Brazil. Here's a few words from them, and a song they wrote for us all I saw that social. But zoo, we are doctors from wiseass Eberhardt from religion. They do we are family physicians. Haas senior the biggest and most beautiful. For Brazil, we are very excited to participate in this podcast. Thank you to our Brazilian family medicine colleagues. Bill, you mentioned before that. You're a faculty member of a residency, that is true. What do you think makes a great teacher of family medicine? I think honestly being passionate about our profession and what we do. I think that you can be guru in evidence, based medicine, or you can be out there on the streets advocating being out there showing that you care about your patient population in providing great medicine to whomever. It might be an inspiring those young learners. I think supporting our students is they look forward into their future careers and helping them realize that primary care is truly the future of our, our country and family medicine is really at the heartbeat of that mission really paying attention to the learner for who they are. I'm super proud. That are graduates, always report, when they leave our program that we care about their development, not only his family physician, but also who they are as a person. And I think trying to connect as teacher with who your learner is, as a person is hugely important for them. You know, learning a ton and, and hooking onto that passion that you're talking about. I totally agree. I'm really inspired to teach family medicine because our country truly needs more family doctors. Yeah. Are specialties? The only specialty shown to improve the triple aim better healthcare experience improve population health at decreased overall cost, so Justin, and Ryan, and I were inspired by that mission, and this podcast and actually recorded a song at your request of to that end. I heard on episode seventy three here's everybody needs a family doctor. Everybody needs a family. Doctor to take your over sons and daughters five. Of the lake. Every place across the nation in. Bus. Everybody needs a family doctor to take over sons and. Five. Thank you. Thank you of the nation. Replace across the nation. Is not as. Everybody. Family. Everybody. Everybody. Ever find. I love that song, Bill. You are doctor who creates our listeners should definitely check out at doctors create on Twitter and doctors who create dot com. The ideas that nurturing our creativity and writing arts and humanities makes us better, doctors and supports our wellbeing. So you're busy attending physician father. How does music fit in your life now and how do your passions for music and medicine impact each other music is still a major part of my life. But if it's in smaller and smaller portions of my life at this point now. I've been fortunate moving back to Tennessee to moved to a city that truly has its own unique musical identity a part of that. There are several Dr bands in the area. So in our residency Justin, I in several of the residents have founded a band called doctors zoster, and the pox and we actually compete with these other doctor bands for fundraising events battle bands for local charities. It allows me to get back on stage play that keytar every once in a while and not only support the organizations in patients that raising money for. But also support our residents and other members of our department and helping them be better people as well. Okay. We're wrapping things up here. I wanna talk a little bit about our theme song. We've played it a lot. Now, as you mentioned before we did have some comments on, I tunes. I believe one was less theme song. Please and actually one person wrote in and said after the Brazilians played that song and said, could you just have the Brazilian music be your theme song from now on? And so I kind of wondered, you know, was this really the song that we wanted to go forward with for over long podcast goes on for, and then I ran into a board member from the society of teachers of family medicine, and she was in Puerto Rico with residents and medical students doing disaster relief, and they were driving around Puerto Rico, listening to our podcast and singing along to the song. And she says, Steve, you can't get rid of that song. It's conic. That's incredible. I've had similar situations here in the south. So I'm a good fifteen hundred two thousand miles from you in Phoenix. Now, I have run into people here who have no idea that I'm at all connected with Irizawa thing, and they are shocked. When I say that I. Even know at the podcast is, and then they actually are able to sing the song. It's one of those ear worms, I guess. Yes. So I thought it would be fun for us all to hear the full version again. Brought to you by Bill Ryan and Justin, our family physician musicians. On a mission? The best American. The best again. Choose. Invention. We on a mission to living in the best American position. The best. All right. That's steve. That's all of our songs so far, there's more to come in the future. So stay tuned. Yes. Thanks bill. Who knows what you'll have in store for future episodes. We're out row credits. This is Bill Deb's from Knoxville Tennessee, the university of Tennessee. Graduate school of medicine, family medicine, residency, please industry thoughts by emailing us at AARP podcasts at af dot org or tweeting at if pe- podcast. Please subscribe and rate us on, I tunes, our podcast team is Sean Abreu, Jake Anderson, Steve Brown Jenner Buchanan's here. Kohl's Kim Koo gate and Joe Sealdah are sound in technical. Guru is Tyler Coles are theme song is written and recorded by family physicians. Me Ryan Evans and Justin Jenkins. This podcast is brought to you by the residents and faculty of the university of Arizona college of medicine Phoenix family medicine residency. We'll talk to you soon for the next of the American family physician podcast.
Cattle Current PodcastSept. 21, 2020
"Cattle futures firmed in Tyre on Friday. The latest data indicates demand for grinding be continues to boost US beef import tire year-over-year coming up I your cal market update, with West. Out All this is West Ishmael with your calcutt market update for the late weekend and Monday morning the twenty first of September. Negotiated cash pick cal trade continued higher on Friday with dress trade in Nebraska at one hundred and sixty, five dollars. One hundred weight, which was two dollars higher than earlier in the week and four to five dollars higher than the prior week. Dress trade was two to three dollars higher in the western corn belt at one sixty three. Live sales for the week ended up a dollar fifty, two dollars higher in the southern plains, at one hundred and three, hundred, thirty dollars and fifty cents, two dollars and Fifty Cents Higher Nebraska Illinois three fifty and two to four dollars higher in the western corn belt at one hundred, four to one, hundred, five dollars. Stronger. Cash prices in the week helped lift cattle futures on Friday. Live cattle futures closed in average of thirty seven cents higher week-to-week they an average of a dollar forty, seven cents higher across a range of a dollar and fifteen cents to a dollar ninety, five higher. Andrew P Griffith agricultural economist at the University of Tennessee notes in his weekly mortgage comments that cattle feeders will be looking for the finished cattle market too slowly gained some steam heading toward the holiday marketing timeframe but that likely will be a slow process. Ask prices are expected to be stagnant the next couple of weeks in the meantime wholesale before is continued their seasonal decline. Choice. Box beef cut out value was four dollars and twenty five cents lower week to week on Friday at two, hundred, fifteen dollars and sixty four cents. One hundred weight. So lacked was three dollars and sixteen cents lower at two or three, ninety four. Moving forward. Griffin says consumers willingness to pay for be will be the main determinant of how fed cal prices move. He doubts pandemic change consumption patterns much but says discretionary spending may continue to be altered. Catherine feeder cattle prices diverged last week as wide temperature. Swain's become the seasonal nor adding stress to cattle. Analysts with Agricultural Marketing Service explained cavs at auction last week or split into two groups. The longtime weaned calves with a vaccination program that. So mostly steady the third with some sales up to five dollars. One hundred weight higher. The other group they say or the unweaned calves fleshy ballers in many cases that traded three to eight dollars lower or sharply lower undertones they add that discount on the cavs than likely increase as we head into fall or until we get a good hard freeze based on Tennessee auction price averages last week Griffiths said five, hundred, twenty, five pounds steer was worse than hundred, twenty, seven dollars. And the same weight heffer was worth six, hundred and forty three dollars. He explains that price level doesn't provide much incentive for producers to purchase bred heifers or to keep more heifers back for breeding at the same time. He says, the prices are low enough to prompt more calling given. The fact that same way steers revalued less at the same time last year and few producers cold much. Longer loans coming off grass continued to command the most buyer attention according to MS selling steady to five dollars higher it mostly eight, hundred, fifty, two, thousand pounds with instances of eight dollars. Higher. Except for twenty, five cents lower in the back contract fear cattle futures closed an average of sixty four cents higher on Friday week to week they closed on average of a dollar fifty three cents higher across a range of fifteen cents higher at the back to two dollars and twenty five cents higher. Major US financial emphasis closed lower on Friday pressured once again by big tech stocks uncertainty over federal pandemic stimulus and political sabre-rattling between the US China. The Dow Jones Industrial? Average close two, hundred, forty, four points lower the S. and P. Five, hundred closed thirty seven points lower and the Nasdaq was down one hundred, seventeen points. Demand for grinding beef continues to boost beef imports to the US higher than last year. Griffith. Explains most beef imported to the US is lean beef meant for grinding to produce ground be hot dog TACO meat in the like he notes US beef imports in July of three hundred, seventy, six, point eight, million pounds represented the largest monthly total in fifteen years that July total was forty one point one percent more than a year earlier pushing imports for the first seven months of the year eight and a half percent higher compared to the previous year with imports up from each of the United States four largest beef import sources according to Daryl Peel Extension lifestock marketing specialists and Oklahoma State University. Peel explains Canada is the largest source of USB import and imports from there were up twelve point, seven percent, July. But refined point eight percent less for the year to date. Imports from Mexico for thirty four point three percent July compared to last year and were up twenty five point five percent so far this year he has Mexico now exceeds Australia is the number to source of US beef imports. Rounding out the top sources peel says imports from Australia were up seventeen point one percent year over year in July. But were down two point seven percent for the year while imports from New Zealand or ninety four point two percent higher in July and up thirteen point three percent for the year to date. He has those four countries represent eighty, two point, four percent of beat imports to the US so far this year. On the other side of the Trade Ledger Griffith points out US beef exports began recovering July compared year-over-year weakness the previous three months. Keel explains currency exchange rates are important factors affecting international beef trade with a strong us, dollar being headwind for beef exports wall favouring beef imports. Since Kobe teen impacts began in mid-march. He says, the US dollar has been significantly stronger compared to the Argentinian Brazilian and mix in currencies and somewhat stronger against the Canadian Australian and New Zealand dollars. He adds that the US dollar has weakened slightly against the Japanese yen and the Hong Kong dollar, which helps support beef exports to those two major market. That your calendar market update for the light weekend and Monday morning. The twenty first September. This sexual thanks for. Long.
AP Headline News Mar 15 2019 22:00 (EDT)
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"Plants capture CO two. What if we could help industrial plants capture it to thank you? We could help lower emissions. It's one way. Exxon Mobil is helping industrial plants be more like plants. Cried passion, then Patrie of college football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. Welcome back in on this very special days. We commemorate birthday of coach Pat summitt, we're delighted to start our coverage off with the former head coach at the university of Tennessee. Now, the lyric director, Philip former is coach. We are so happy to have you here as we remember the incredible legacy of coach, Pat summitt, good afternoon. And thank you for doing this. This is a wonderful tribute to fat and all she meant to so many across the country and around the world. And especially here at the university of Tennessee in Knoxville. You know, I remember I know you do as well just when, when she got started, and she didn't have much going forward, but she made up for lost ground in a hurry. What, what do you remember about your first interaction with, with Pat summitt? I remember it. Well, I mean seems a young head coach. And I was a young assistant. We used to jog together. And are in, you know, different things that were going on, on campus, just became great friends. And you know, never knowing that actually work hand in hand, whether in recruiting, and, you know, representing the university, and all those kinds of things, but she was such a competitor, all the to hear about her that way, is, is true. See fought for, you know, for women's rights, and the opportunity for, for women in athletics on the local scene state seen national scene and worldwide I mean, she she believed in followed through with their beliefs, whether were their actions, that was, Pat. Summitt also very gracious, lady, she was not at all self-centered always about the people around her that she appreciated and loved and cared for and you know, or players and, and actually was fun to work with people sometimes think, well, you can't have great football, basketball and women's. Athletics. It's all at the same time at the same school, we did you know, because of her efforts and, and being around, you know, we had some success for of our own, and we helped each other recruits, all the time times families would come in. Yeah. Hey coach. That's how great and everything silting here your history and all, but can we make pets? He was always available. You know, and I tried to do the same for her. No, I know you did. And of course while she was winning national championships. You were able to win one as well and compete for several others. And I think they seem to fall around the same time, if I remember correctly and what she had a couple. Yeah. She kind of lead the way every then. And she slyly reminded me of that. But yeah we did. We won one the same year, actually. So it's ours was the same years, one of hers. I guess one of our seven. Yeah. No. She had a couple in a row. But you, you, you were certainly in serious contention a number of years as well as she was doing that. I want to go back to that moment in time because she was winning I think three national championships in a row. You were on the verge of winning one. You had Peyton Manning on campus. I mean, what a special time on rocky top. No. It was you, you throw in, you know, Bruce, Pearl for a period of frightening. Great time. All of us refrains, we work together, we, you know, obviously, we have to care engines, summer, but, you know, we spent social time together, as, as I mentioned, we helped each other recruit, and, you know, we're all cared about our campus in our city because we knew we were or we thought we were going to be there. You know, for a long time, most of its worse. So it was a special time in Tennessee athletics. And you know, in patents the center of that, if you will. Gosh, you know, people tell me I'm sure you will, your, your time talking about her, but she came from, you know, washing the cause of the players and driving the van the games. And, you know, just a menu budget, you know, to get things done to, to what she became you know. And in, in, in the sports world, not just women's sports world. But in the sports world, you know, breaking woods record and. All those things. So what a what a what a legacy left and as, as you try transcend into to athlete director, and we're faced with finding a new coach at Tennessee and you naturally landed on one of her players. And I know that was important to you to, to keep her her legacy alive. Even even though it wouldn't have mattered who the coach was, it would still be alive. But it certainly alive quite quite strongly now with with Kelly Harper. Yeah. And Kelly, honestly can stand on her own took Saint I think, but her relationship with Pat at the time, they're certainly, you know, has has its impact on, on all of us, and the, the principles that see coach with coaches with the discipline. You know, of course, all this remains to be seen, but it, it looks to me like, we, we are on a good pass to getting Our Lady vol's, you know, back where we where we should be. And we're we're Pat with expect us to be. And. Yeah. And you know, Kelly was a point guard for on three national championship teams law support just by a hair, you know. And, and actually, I mean I I I'm not I'm not trying to jinx or anything, but she has a lot of pets traits, you know, with just her mannerisms and things. So that, that's you know, that's touching to me. You know, just to see the see, you know, part of Pat here with us again and Holly was, too. I don't want to take anything away. No doubt. And you know it better than all of us. But, but, but Holly, you know, took over under extremely difficult circumstances, and did such a splendid job of holding that reputation and image of that program alive. She did. She did say happy lesson. Thank you for saying that, she, she represented well, and, and, you know, had some great years, and everything we just got the funny place. And then everybody wants to, you know, to move on from that, but we're, we're, we're grateful at university of Tennessee for just Our Lady ball tradition period, you know, not just in basketball, but I've sports and, you know, pants responsible for that. And, you know, Paul is I did these interviews around with two different people around the country. You know there was thoughts. You know, it have to be a lady, as you know, that sort of thing, why talk to the former to the president coaches around the country and, and everybody around women's athletics, it was very important. You know, they'd be be a lady at the university of Tennessee. Maybe some other places it doesn't have to be. But I really recognize the fact that it needed to be a lady here and Finally, I want to go back because here you are, you're national championship coach hall of fame coach, and we all know about coach summit. But, but as a fellow coach when, when you were with her friends with our studied her and now especially looking back on her incredible. Career what what but separated her from everyone else? Well, I mean she was obviously a great accident. Oh person. But she, she believed that this discipline and toughness and and, and effort and she, she, she did not let any of that slide at any point in her career. I mean that was that still lady vol away. You know, everybody's familiar with their definite does. And you know that she that she makes so famous and, and she lived by those, those principles, you know, of, of doing things the right way and holding, you know, h h other up and accountable and all those things. So. She definitely, you know, left left a legacy here that will be with this, this program forever. Coach, thank you again, for making time as we all celebrate her her life and legacy. We really appreciate you. Joining us again. Thank you for doing this. Yes, sir. Thank you. Coach full of former former head coach and now the athletic director at the university of Tennessee. We'll be right back listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast Walker back certainly appreciate coach Fulmer joining us Kelly Harper a little bit later on. Let's check in with Sarah in oh, I think, I know this is Sarah in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Paul. How are you doing, Sarah? How are you doing my favorite gymnastics coach of all time? Well, thank you. I just I wanted to say thank you for having this tribute to Pat because I think, wow. The world recognizes her as an icon and sports, but mostly women's basketball, I don't think people realize how she helped other women and other sports and I had the opportunity when I was coaching from nineteen eighty five and nineteen ninety five during that time I was also senior women's administrator and I had the opportunity to go to the SEC meetings in Dustin and to be around, Pat and a couple of times, we're out at dinner at the same place. And the words that she told me where some things that made a difference in our program for the rest of our career. And she looked at me. One time, and she said, if you're not willing to market and promote as much as you coaching recruit, you will compete in front of no one in Paul. You of all people know, I'd just those words to heart and tried to market for moat. Use your radio shows everything I could to put people in the stands at Coleman Coliseum Patna. I were fortunate enough. We wanted championships and ninety one and ninety six in the same years. And then in nineteen ninety seven we feel Coleman Coliseum and I have to give credit to Pat summit because I listened to her as a young coach and she held in still in me all the things that made a difference in our program, and I truly appreciate you having a special tribute to her today, one of my wondering because a known is. This is Sarah Patterson for those who didn't know who, who want a mere six I think six Nash, I, I've been wrong but I think it's six national championships there. I've. The two in the same year that Pat her, I remember one you are on our show, and you what you, I think you were going from our show to a book signing to seek Pat summitt number of years ago, but I want to ask you, though, because you, you came to Alabama a couple years, not many years after she started at Tennessee and not to, to make too much out of the difference in times. But I mean you, you were hired. I've, I've, I've, I'm pretty sure about by coach Bryant where you're not. Ameri Lawler, and there's a I think a four or five year age difference between Pat and myself, and, but when I got into the sport and get into the SEC and just, you know, having the ability to be around someone like her who put all those people in Tennessee stands, he just, you know, it, it made a difference. And I think sometimes people don't understand how hard she worked to create that culture. And, and she instilled that in me to do that at the university of Alabama. Books. And I know what she went through because I was I was a student at the time. But. I also know what you you've you went through because you've told me, but I mean it's I mean I realize it's a different world. We're talking forty years ago. Sarah, but, but, but how difficult difficult was it though? At that time to get your message across. Well, you know, I think back about it now it probably I had no idea how hard it was. But, you know, I I remember on your radio show. I'd sit on hold for twenty minutes until I could get on because to be on your show for five minutes was advertising that I could not have got or paid for budget early on in my career. So you have to use the opportunities, and, you know, working with people like Ray mellow who worked with the Birmingham, news and post herald, and, you know I've asked him. Why won't you ride those pieces there you what people in the stand, and we will cover you. And so I made it my mission that okay if we put, you know, thousands of people in the stands, these people are going to cover us. And now I looked and I see what the SEC network has. Done for so many women's sports, women's basketball, women's gymnastics. The covers the fan base. I mean it's amazing and I- tribute, so much of it to pet summit and what she did. I'm really glad that you were able to join us here because I, I know of your relationship and then and I know of the, the difficult journey that you both encountered. I look forward to seeing it. We'll be in Tuscaloosa. Hopefully, a couple of months and can't wait to see you again, Sarah. Thank you so great. Thank you, Paul. And thank you for all, you, do you bet Sarah, Patterson, truly hall of fame coach, vaguely remember writing or call once in the Birmingham, paper, suggesting that she should be the director at the university of Alabama and, and that was not the only one there were other people who followed that up over over the many, many years, a cheerleader is up next year later. Oh, I'm so glad you took my call and science. You and Pat summit, my goodness, gracious for the fine lady, and policy think there's something to be said for all people from small town. They just can get along with people and they. Foot little. I was from a small town. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was I was. And there were sixty nine of us in the graduating senior class, and the majority of us have been together half of us from kindergarten and half of us from the seventh grade. So that was cool and, and Sarah Patterson, it just happened that I'm talking about his ladies because you do from every all the women, so well, and everybody else. And you may not know this file, but he's in a sense are a matchmaker. I don't know what I could call you. But I have had several calls can. Mortis. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. And what a great pleasure. It is for us to go to Knoxville where everyone is celebrating, what would have been Pat summitt, sixty seven per day, and who better to talk to than someone who not only played for coach summit. But is now holding the same position coach Kelly Harper coach, thanks so much for being with us before we talk about coach summit. How are you a Justin? We talked to you the day you were hired a hope. Hopefully you're old more comfortable with the surrounding today, even though you've been there, quite quite many times. Thanks, the settled down quite a bit since we've had, we've got a lot going on. We've been very busy, but in our players on campus for summer school and out in workout sets that's made things quite a bit more comfortable. Well, that was back in early April. And now we're heading toward the middle of June. In terms of being the head coach. You can't escape but we're about to talk about. And that's your coach and really feels like everyone's coach. Pat summitt the fact that we're celebrating a birthday, but I think if you've heard of the head coach of the lady value celebrate Pat summitt every day of the year, don't you. And I'm quite okay with that. You know, we, we have a statue murals we have banners and we should, and we need to celebrate her. And what she did for this program for our conference and four women's basketball. You know better than than I do. But something tells me she probably wouldn't approve of what we're doing right now. Celebrating anything that she did, and I'd like you to talk about that part of her because she was steely eyed and in serious. But this part of it, I don't think she ever felt comfortable with. Very humble and always very gracious. And I think she understood her position. And that's something that I I've remembered as of late. I've been taken back to my playing days and watching her and how so many people wanted just a piece of her just a little piece of her and how giving she was and how comma dating she was. But how tiring that must have been for her, and she always did? She always did it. And that's why she was one of the reasons that she was so beloved in coach. I think. Maybe she didn't feel comfortable, but she she also understood the importance of that brand lady vol's in, and she was the face of it, and to be the face of it, and to make it six as successful as it was, when we all know how successful that turned out to be you had to keep doing it. Absolutely right. I think you know, if she could have she would have been on the court and not really worried about, you know, having all these celebrations. But I think she got it. I think she understood her position was that, you know, that she was the face of so much, much more than our program alone. You know, and she was able to, to, to give that she was able to allow that to happen. And I know that wasn't easy for her, but she did it with. I like I said grace, I mean she was just amazing. In just thinking back, it just seems to me that, and I think you could say this about all the great coaches, maybe that, were they really found the most enjoyment, was on the court teaching would w fair statement. I think so I think Pat loved getting out there on the court with the player she had so much energy when she stepped out on the court with us. And I think she thinks she liked the teaching part and the motivating, and, you know, the chess matches that you could have that she might have had with her coaches in gain planning for, for certain opponents. I think she truly loved that part. I'm interested in in where you are right now because I, I know certainly listen, this is your program, even though you've coached at other places, and now returned home. But now that you, you sit in that share. I know how it felt on day one. But how does it feel now two months and change later? I had some moments that have been, you know, kind of take your breath away a little bit. You know, just a reminder of where I'm at and what I'm doing for the most part, just put my head down and go get my task done, whether that's being out on the court where I like to be as well where I'm teaching and working with our players or you know, could be at an event. We're, we're having a meet and greet can be an office with on staff. You know, I just stay really busy, but every now and then you know, I'll have a moment and it's a it just reminds you the gravity just reminds you how big this position is. Anyway, when you're out talking to fans and just walking through town of what kind of questions do you get? You know, I get what's it gonna look like I get can you stare like pets on it? I get crowded. And I cannot, let's go with that make sure that's clear. I think we get a lot of times what our biggest challenges, and I get a lot, how the players have been how they've received us. And everything's been positive. I'm telling you everything has been positive our fans have that we've met just really embraced our staff. And you know, they seem really excited as we are about the future. Certainly we're, we're going to move to the summer months. And the next thing you know, the season will be here. What do you think will, you'll be thinking about the most as you approach that first game because here we are talking about coach summit? And you're gonna be walking out there where her memory is literally everywhere for me. I've always been a. Person just goes out. And does the Knicks autumn Amal is what, what's Nick? So I'll be really focused in on that gain whatever that game is However, I have have made note to myself that I will take a moment before, especially our first home game. We'll take a moment to really take it all in and that's like a should, I think it showed. It's, it's a big deal and it won't happen very long. You know, it'll be brief. But when you go out on the court, and you start to coach you got to take a little bit of a moment to, to really take everything in, you know, what's what's been done before who's been there before. And you know what this really is all about? What does your summer look like the real well the rest of the summer? It's, it's not Shirley, compressed for coaches. But what's, what's on tap for you? Well, we have like I said earlier, we have our players on Kansas. So we've been working out, things have been going great. We're gonna take a foreign tour. So we won't leave early August to head over to Europe for for a couple of weeks. So, you know, it'd be time to go over there and keep practicing, and, and get some gains under our belt with a young team. And hopefully more importantly right now is get some team building and team bonding with our staff. I've talked to many coaches, and they always point to when you when you have the opportunity and it's limited to do what you're about to do it does make things not easier. But you at least know what you're you're getting into when, when, when the fall starts, or well that is. That's sounds like a really cool experience coach congratulations. Again, I know it is an awesome in a difficult challenge book. We appreciate you. Joining us to celebrate to your coach and and coach summit as well. Thank you. And thank you for doing that. Thank you very much, really interesting conversation there with the new lady vol's coach at the university of Tennessee is what we all celebrate coach summits birthday today. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast.
Hour 4: Woody Paige & Kyle Peterson
"Cried passion than pageantry of college. Football leaves here. The paul finebaum. Show our four podcast. We welcome you back to the final hour of the program and as a young teenager growing up in memphis i started reading our next guest and said you know what man do. I want to be like this guy. So i followed him about ten years later as the sports editor of the school paper. And that's when it all fell apart. Would he would. He paid off to become a big time columnist and then Espn's first converts from the sports writing world. You've seen them around on around the horn for about about four thousand years and he is now graced us with his presence. The one and only woody page joins the program. Woody good afternoon. How are you just also buddy about five minutes ago. And they said didn't use to be what he pay. I mean that's a good feeling thing that used to watch you on around the horn. I said i have died. Could be could be an indicator of the show. Though maybe more than you. It's it's nice of you invite me on your the worldwide leader kind of talk show About the sec. I'm so old paul. When you talk about. I'll be seventy five. In june i saw to the sea in its final year of running the single wing while on my goodness well. I may have told you this once before but i think it was late in my career at ut. I think it was haywood us or bud four. I can't remember which one he said you know we. It took us ten years to get over. Woody pages a sports editor of the school paper but find you totally broken and burn down the building. We're we're right back to where we were when woody was here so that was the moment that i knew i had to chase you around the world when i was there They said we help. There's never anybody like you I actually was editor that he daily beacon for better year and a half and the head of the what was in journalism carbonell college communication called me and said i was most in card to bowl and i said in the history of your class. And he said no in the history of the university of tennessee. I guess that's so. I i'll tell you very quick story peyton manning in a known each other since he's a little kid. 'cause i covered archie. His father in archie. And i've always been Put very close and pay came to me The year he retired and he said. I just i understand you just got distinguished To alumni award the most prestigious award. And i said yes. Thank you understand. You gotta plaster said. I'm giving my back if they're giving kids. It's very true story. Didn't said i'm giving my back. So he majored in speech communication. I majored in trying to learn how to speak english. Because i grew up in memphis tennessee and people a on around the horn. Still say what. We don't quite understand you. So by accident has years has gone away. Mine has not so well it. How long have you. How long have you. I'm curious about your. Espn kirk newspaper career. But i mean you you you pretty much done everything at espn avenue. Someone wrote me recently. Because i did a morning show. That was supposedly their version of the today or good morning. America is called. Paul pizza right. And i did that for few years and I will tell you that when. I die my tombstone aside. The only person that has worked on. Tv shows with jay mariotti. Skip bayless and stephen smith whether that's a positive or negative in my life. Yeah i did sports center. When i was in new york i was doing. The show called dream job that was Also espn version of the american idol. Or something like that. And i did first and ten with Skip bayless after. We did coal pizza. And i did i take. It was the first which is still on. Espn so that worked out well and they had me doing a fifteen minute. Disney kids channel show. They felt like i think. Paul that that Kids that were sixty eight years old. Could understand what. I was saying about sports. 'cause they we were in the same kind of level of intelligence at that time. So i i've done like i. I started with the eastern classics. And they used to do. And i'm sure you're in a lot of your listeners. Will remember they used to do Like once a week an hour long bio of people in stores and they. They came and interviewed me and gave me two hundred fifty bucks and said we want to ask you about some athletes. And you tell a story and i said yeah i do that and i was there for eight hours and they were they would just throw names at me and they go secretary it when i said really wanna say in the ted williams. I said i'm not that old. I sit on remember as a kid and they went through all that and they said good job. we'd like to get. I said not the two hundred fifty dollars. But that's how it really started in a partner and russian came on the air In about two thousand and two and was very successful. And i think they decided that sports riders could actually talk about sports on television because of Tony and michael doing so well. And i met with The president vice president of espn at at at the super bowl. And they said we're gonna start a new show banyan to partner eruption. And we want you to be kind of our centerpiece. And what are you talking about. It's about it's going to be cadillac. hollywood squares and you'll be called in the blocks in and i actually turned it down because i didn't more to commit Five days a week to doing this show. And i didn't even realize at the time it would take people don't realize that it takes about six hours to have our show and i thought when i first to the job didn't i could do from denver that it would be a half hour like coming on your show today. That would be a half hour. Then you go away and it ended up Not only being about Eighteen and a half years ago but That it's turned out to be probably the most fun ever done in my life because we just did show a couple of hours ago and we just laugh through the entire time. We were doing it. What i'm going to go back later. Few minutes sports writing career. But here you are really you. One of the most successful in highest paid sports writers in the country. And you there is notoriety and prestige. And then you start doing game show on espn. And i'm getting. I'm guessing i'm going to be correct about this. Your your fame. Blew up walking down the streets of anywhere. Didn't it technically when i was in new york for several years because Around the horns i. it's own about seven or eight times a day now but it When it's started in at the new york it came on in primetime. Basically there and it was difficult to walk around. That was surprising to me. I mean i realized the as you did when we were at the university of tennessee at different times that People read the newspaper every day to daily beacon was his paper and i wrote columns for it and i wrote the geno columns and sports columns that i've walked into one of those auditorium classrooms and everybody reading column laughing because are putting stuff and i thought you know. Maybe this works out to be. You did it that. I can do this but i i. Once asked to came matombo when he was growing up in africa did he dream of playing in the nba and he laughed at me in about seven different languages because he speaks seven languages in anybody that see michael commercials. They know exactly how to be goes not buy house and i did you dream of playing in the nba. He said. i couldn't green the beyond the end of the dirt road meaning that he had no or belief about playing pro basketball. And that's kind of growing up in the south as you and i did. The only dream i had is that i could be a sports writer for the memphis commercial appeal. That was the only dream that could possibly have in life because there was no television. There was no sports. Talk radio and I actually started doing sports. Talk radio and in memphis station called me and said would you talk about sports in the what. Okay with five minutes. So i couldn't dream of it. And i certainly couldn't dream of espn. And i certainly couldn't dream that a kid that grew up in lauderdale courts About two doors from elvis presley for people who don't know this and you obviously know as much about a designed to but where i was born and raised in government housing I played on a piece of ground that later became saint jude hospital and My parents live there. The presley's lived. There are a lotta people from my father was mississippi. And you could live there unless you made less than thirty dollars a month. And my dad made a dollar a day and i felt like early on that I wanted to be a writer and that was really based on. And i'm sure it is you that there were. There was so many great novelist great fiction and nonfiction writers that came out of the south and and and those because of the hardscrabble or because there was nothing else we could do except cotton. And that's the truth. Dad as a kid and took me down there and i knew i didn't want to pick cotton for living and so all i could dream about was someday. I wanted to be a writer like say. Somebody like tennessee williams. Somebody of that sure that and so this is all a surprise to me and still is with the been doing since i was a kid in high school worker. The whitehaven chris. I remember that ben. What are you doing Hold the thought. I wanna come back and and and go back to those days in our remaining moments would he would. He page is with us. Almost said woody. Hayes sounds similar but what he's career still going. We will take a short break. Come back and continue our conversation with the legendary woodrow page right. You're listening to the paul finebaum show. Podcast do own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com and we welcome you back what you page our guests for a few more minutes and would have always found so remarkable about your career followed you and wrote and then we moved on. You've never stopped writing though you say you're at the denver paper for thirty some odd years. You continue to write. I'm i'm really curious about that. And and why he would. You have stuck to your craft after so many years. That's funny 'cause almost left it is pin at some point because they I i was still riding when i was in new york and I got an offer to write in. I still write for Two newspapers in colorado the colorado springs gazette. Because i think will guy Writing a column. I enjoy writing it. I i told you into that. A lotta guys have the dog. And i remember dan. Patrick saying to me Many many years ago he said welcome to the dark side. You're no longer the light side. And i said i'll always be on the light side meeting riding But started doing it. When i was in junior high school basically and i never lost my love for the section about writing in every time i speak at a lot of colleges in zoom conferences two high schools and i tell them that every time i sit down to write i say to myself have fun and that's my mantra basically about my career and i would say that to anybody listening. That's young person wanting to get into some field if includes communications that you just go in with the attitude that you're going to be passionate about it and have fun work hard at it and it works out. Because i i taught students tennessee. When i go back. I said look at me. Got motala imagine what you could do with. You grew up wanting to be what he pays. When i was about fifty five i wanted to be paul but we got a switch roles but i never wanted to give up writing. 'cause i joined so much i love to english language and i hate people that that that don't use it properly don't early Have fun this for it. And so that that love never left me and when i was in high school i was sports. Editor of the whitehaven press which was a weekly newspaper in the suburbs of memphis and had a circulation about sixty thousand. And i really kinda home by crafts before. I went to to school at the university to see. I'm real quick story for you that you don't know sure and some some you don't know about being most people don't so i used to rip on the coach at by the way for people who don't know my love. Se football at grew up. And my dad. When i was a year and a half old took me to old. Come stadium in memphis. Oh misplayed tennessee. I was a year and a half old. And i don't remember it but my dad would tell me about it. There was snow and that Was the beginning of falling in love with the with college. Football's specifically the sec. No matter that. I've been away from the and seeing for since the for about forty years that i still tell people in other parts of the country. This is not college football. Let me tell you about college football. I've covered the big twelve covered. Big it covered the brass goofball and they talked about it. I go yeah. this is nothing like that anyway. When as a college i started ripping on i was. I was Objective ripped on route way mirrors. Who is tennessee basketball coach. Because he couldn't be Could be kentucky and so he called me one day and said i want you to come to my office and so i went over. And that's where you know that would but ford sad's in the old kneeled arena and i went there and he said you ripple mealtime you don't really know me as a coach i want you to play in the orange and white game. Get yourself in shape. They said there you played some basketball and he said get yourself in shape. Sports illustrated as as as us to play on. Twelve foot goals. There have been talk about It's being new house into and others dominated game. Maybe raising your goals and i said are you crazy. And he said yes. I am but i'm actually played for like five minutes in the orange white intersquad game people. They were the every school that you go to. I got One rebounded two points and i scored a goal on a twelve foot soul the only game in college basketball history even though the news quite game those play with a twelve foot goal and people and so afterwards i guess now you can stop me and i said you should have played me about fifty new first time that i wow Criticizing coaches just assumed. The coaches knew more than idea that they were coaches. And i found out that. I felt like i knew as much as coaches and so it's gotta followed me my entire career so anyway i think that you and i share something that there's only about three of us that ever came out of school journalists mckenzie about and. I'm not sure about myself but I've always had great respect for you. And for all the people down there in sec country And my good friend buddy. Martin who i know is good for your listening today. And and and people s buddy the same question Why do you continue to write because we love it but grew up with it. And i'll never leave it no matter whatever tv career and i was doing about six Four programs a day three. Espn for quite a while in Still never gave up the writing because I just think the great sports writers and you know that came out of the south i mean from atlanta and all include those dallas writers that they were just incredible In riders in memphis that i grew up loving in in florida georgia alabama. You know that all of the great writers in the south and they sort of pave the way for all of us to try and Have fun with the language but Be serious enough about what we were doing. Particularly covering tennessee. Football gave us Such a great kansas for writing about Sports in in also covered Quite a while civil rights and the aftermath of assess nation duct came in the south. So i think. I learned about writing from different aspects of that too. So would it be and i will before you go. I wanna i wanna close on a serious note because so many young people on campuses high school they do pay attention to this stuff and for someone who has done at all. And i really mean that. What would you tell young people high school college. Who who who want to go into this profession but maybe don't really understand what they're getting into. I talk to them On a regular basis says just given to lecture colleges in and i said the same thing to both both those watchers say that all young people is fifteen years ago. I didn't know anything about podcast They didn't exist There was not to sports writers talking on on television twenty years ago. Whatever it is they want to do in the world of sports. It's not going to be the same five years from now. So get in front of it. And when i say in front of it streaming television Talk shows for that youtube channels. I think that the young people today who actually say what is the next step going to be in sports. Communication is going to a form of social media. I mean it will be a form of sports x. whatever it might be that. That's that's the way. I would look at it because when i was young. And when you john are avenues Were strictly really Sportswriting produce papers willett no longer really exist. So i think it's important for everybody. And i would say anybody that wants to and i get as you do. I get thousands of emails a month. Saying i want to get into the business. Well think of what it is that it's going to be I won't be around for it And i don't mean i'm gonna die right away. I won't be a part of the next. I was parts of sports. Talk radio initiating that when there was a guy named pete franklin that i listen to sean if people will remember him but he was really the the godfather of sports talk radio off and i think sports talk radio ad been trying to be. I wanted to be a part of everything. Sports talk radio did tv. I've done tv forever. I did Tv talk i did a podcast. I've done to Came shows. I done a bit of everything the more you can learn the more you do the more apps you are to be held to do it with the some sort of talent the only ability. I have is Availability i've always been available so no doubt but i have great respect for you and it's very nice. You look carefully by the on every couple of years and maybe my dream would be that you and i actually do a show together in person. Sometimes i would love it What i don't want to gush. You're i can't thank you enough. This has been just a thrill for me as a host but personally Just amazing experience to be able to sit and listen to you but mostly to let the audience know a little bit more about you. Please come back. And i do hope to see you very soon and i give. I said earlier real cruelty. My father grew up in tupelo mississippi. He was a diabetic and he had no education. My mother And he married when they were teenagers and they had more influence on my life I talked myself out of type when i was in fifth grade. And they bought me a typewriter. And so i said everyone. The most important thing is is idolize. Your parents 'cause they're the ones that are going to be more responsible for what you become in your life. I've lost both of them in I i miss them but You and i wouldn't be talking. And i wouldn't have gone the first one in my family to go to college if it hadn't been there flow of and they're hard effort so i want to salute them and a really wanted to you. 'cause i thought really i was going to be the most incorrigible person in the history of the university of tennessee. And then along you know thank you for all records are made to be broken and you did what are you. I'm honored you recognize me in that position. I thank you so much. You'll be well and we will definitely do this again in person and So my friends in the south that love your love this and she football and someday i'm going to come back and live in batches. Tonight's place thank you. we are What what just incredible thirty minutes out was. I can't imagine ever topping it but we will try. Let's take a break. We have to hit the brake here than usual. But we'll get over. Kyle peterson on the huge weekend in sec. Baseball you're listening to the paul finebaum show podcast and we want to jump on our next conversation. Quickly because Cal peterson has a game to do at the top of the hour. And we went a little bit long with woody but carl. Thanks so much in It's almost cliche to say the same thing every time we talked to you about the sec. But this weekend. Really feel special. And i know you're about to jump on board with the ole miss mississippi state game. What are you looking forward to the most tonight It'll be fun. I mean the first time. That vanderbilt in tennessee of have ever met when both of the top five and and obviously tennessee battles used to be in the. It's been awhile for tennessee. And it's been a i would say progressive buildup since ten. Tony by telo got their chance to be a national seed and if you win a weekend series against vanderbilt this weekend you put yourself on a really good spot so i would assume that backs so we'll be hopping and then ours is going to be a blast. I mean any time. It's mississippi state. It's always going to be good. It looks like they will pack it just as if just as they did in oxford last weekend. So this is one that I'm sad we can't see in person. But i'm glad that everybody else can see it because the environment is going to be unbelievable and i'm curious because we saw some of that last week. I think it was last week in an oxford. but you've been so many of these ballparks when when when it feels like there's nothing else in the world that matters. How does that affect the game. Well i think it affects everything. I think it affects the. Perhaps maybe even in talking to might be echo and chris this weekend. The head coach miss the mississippi state. Both they talking about talking to their team just about a. This is the reality of the rivalry in part of it was because a lot of the kids. That are gonna play in this game. Haven't played this game before. I mean if if you're your first or second year at either one of those schools you haven't been in a situation so i think some of it was just to make sure that they were aware it's going to be a little bit different than than you know. Don't be surprised by the environment might be ankle. Was laughing with us this week and said you know we. We go from oxford where they throw beers up in the air when we hit home runs to right field to starkville throw beers at us. So it's Teach their own but I do know that that both talked about just making sure that their there are just aware of the the setting that they're gonna walk into which is one of the best settings in in college baseball talking to kyle peterson on the on the call for an states. And i want to go back to van de in tennessee for a second because it has to be frustrating. When you're not part of this conversation in the sec and you mentioned the change how how do you turn a culture around like. We've seen a tennessee like we've seen a lot of places way players i. It's you know the greatest coaches in the world will generally the pretty darn good recruiters of the got one next to them. So i think that's first and foremost is you need to do in tennessee. Starting to get more of those guys And they're playing a style that i think is reminiscent of of what we're used to seeing. Sec baseball Play with a little bit more power you know for. There was a period of time to pretend to see resembled more of a west coast team. And that's a hard style of play in the sec. When you're playing weekend and week out. So i think it's two things one is you gotta make sure you've got the right guys there. And they're getting more of the right guys there and then the second is planning to alvis fits the league. And they're back to playing that style. Tony by telling us how to recruit. He recruited williams tcu. He recruited when he was arkansas. Those the league clearly starting to get guys in there and and you would assume that when vanderbilt and tennessee the some of the guys on that field today where recruited by both so that always creates a little bit of a different dynamic. And i love it. So kyle you look at the the national rankings every week and sometimes it gets jumbled up a little bit but it's still mainly the same schools and as you as you evaluate as you do these games. We spent a lot of time talking about the pitching staff vanderbilt. That's not a new story but is there can you. Can you see a lot of separation or is there or is there. Is there a lot of separation among these top four or five. Sec schools who are at the top of the rankings. I don't know that there is a lot of separation went. Vanderbilt's healthy think. they're probably the most complete You know clearly when you go rocker lighter on the weekend you're going to match up with anybody but the reality is as you know ole miss is gonna throw to arms out. They're gonna hold on tonight's going to be a first round this year and doug nick. He has been outstanding the whole year. Do they have the fanfare. That kumar jack ladder do no but can they go head to head with them. Yeah i mean. Georgia went head to head them last year. We talked her last week. We talked last week. i. I wasn't expecting georgia. To go into nashville. And take two out of three and hit three kumar rocker. Give them two home. Runs in one hundred fifty seven easy gave up three against georgia And so anything can happen over the course of the weekend but as far as discernible differences between you know arkansas vanderbilt mississippi state tennessee old mess does that are. I think you throw florida next. You know. Florida hasn't played their best baseball but florida still with talent. It's still the same talent that was the unanimous number one team to start the country. They're just starting to figure themselves out now. So they're six or seven in the league. You could look at that all have a legitimate chance to get all. I know you have a game so we will let you russia voice. We really appreciate you dropping by here to preview. What's going to be an amazing weekend. We'll we will definitely be watching your call on the game tonight. Thank you kyle come back soon. Always mantech or cared about college baseball. What what an amazing conversation with kyle. We'll continue our conversations with him but what a night. This is going to be an i. don't mean to take away from. There's so many other good games. But but certainly he'll be doing the game in starkville and everybody was fired up about that one. We'll take a break much more to come to and listening to. Paul finebaum show podcast. Well we made it to the end of the week. Appreciate you being a part of the show. We will see you on monday. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. Show airs weekdays on the sec network beginning at three eastern. Maybe ginger zee. 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"The Paul Finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the capital one sabre card earned four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all all other purchases now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply but cried passion than patterns three of of College football leaves here the Paul Finebaum show our four podcast thirty minutes away from chatting about the controversial controversial California legislation that thumbed believe could revolutionize intercollegiate athletics. Phillips has done a deep dive into the subject it and we look forward to visiting with him in our studio here in a couple of minutes. We're talking to Contra Chali right now in in Congress. Thanks for sticking around. I just hated to to miss out on Opportunity Opportunity. We're talking to Congress about his career. Obviously leaving Huntsville Alabama to go to the University of Tennessee were he currently is in the administration. I I'm interested in your view of of of of Tennessee right now and I know that it has been a difficult beginning for for Jeremy Pruitt but from an administrative standpoint I'm really eager to hear you talk about Phillip Fulmer running the program now and and just how is life in big orange country after a number of years. Paul retired or did not know that you oh yeah is me okay mark ago well. Hey by the way you know news travels slowly add vs Tennessee yeah. I haven't been to practice or haven't had to go to staff leading or anything and anybody that tells you that retirement no good. They're having retired yet. I had a nice run of it well. I'll I'll I'll rephrase the question here since badly congratulations -gratulations what what are you going to do with the rest of your life now that you're no longer dealing with the headaches of big time administration and I practice this answer whatever my wife wants me to. That's a great answer. That's it feels good. We have a good time together in the coach. My son's just he'll. He'll be a freshman at ut this year. Push my daughters out of college but you know just just retired and the family guy. That's what I really enjoyed it. That is interesting because I know that that school is very dear to you. I am sure it's not always easy to walk away but I am interested in your view. I mean with some distance now. Every every every transition is difficult difficult but from from a little more distance than you had your view of what's going on up there. Well what what I can see watching and and knowing the players that are there. Jeremy's not dealing with the four years stack of his players and when he does I think you'll see some the differences. I'm not saying the ones that were there were not. SEC players but I know some of them were not big. Enough are offensive defensive line from three or four years ago. They were tiny guys and you know you could see it. Just the warm ups and they played their hearts out. Oh but come fourth quarter third quarter. They just hand over run through. Ya 'cause you just not big enough to take the punishment and in fact coach. PRUITT you know coast battle with the goat was under him now and so you know if you run into any problems up there his call counters decide. He'll help your heating out of blabber he. He's just let you know where to go. So so the second day he was here they number two he tells me in his office and I'm thinking what can be ready and he looks at me leases conduct. We're all the big guys I wanNA. COMMU- what you what you spent you spent more than twenty years up there. If I remember correctly as you have to get some perspective here because everyone in want instant gratification contras as you well know but you've you've not only played the game at the highest levels but you you've been involved in administration help us understand the other side of it but go because when you're an administrator Snapshot Snapshot Judgments like we do on a show like this are not easy to facilitate. What's it like being on that side. Well fortunately for me I was I I was taking orders from somebody else I wouldn't he only one getting that done and you know Dave heart and a few other guys were were making aching decisions. I kinda got I was involved mostly where the pro scouts and our players I was a direct line to what not necessarily assuming what they could watch on tape but what the kid does off the field and with other people and in the city I mean what kind of what kind of players he off the field and you know. I let the guys when they came in when they came to sit with me. Let them know guys this. The Pro Scouts asked me this and I'm not gonNA LIE TO 'CAUSE I my job. I'll I'll I'm telling you do what you do but with about it you don't have to go out and that crates 'cause you football. L. Player regular human being but I never never had very many and it was usually transferred because they got in more trouble than I can help them. Get Out of but you know they we had an open my door's open they come and talk to me about a lot of stuff and and the thing about the question is that they'd ask they were very fixable. It wasn't like it was something that Oh my God you did. What and I you know I it'd be as simple as my chief of police free talk if you're going to talk to him and and work it out because you haven't crossed the line yet but you're close so we have conversations like that and you know it works out pretty well. We didn't have any major catastrophes in being at that university. A lot of people go back to coach Fulmer when when he left and they're still debate about whether that was the right decision. That's really not a relevant conversation for now. I mean the only conversation I think that matters is is Jeremy pruitt in this program but as someone who played there and one of the one of the iconic players in Tennessee history who worked there for twenty some odd years in administration I now it's sometimes tough because of the distances you just left as you said but what what will it take for Tennessee to return to to prominence prominence well the one thing that I know for a fact they're gonNA have to start. They already have you gotta get. Sec See players to play an SEC. They gotta be the the side and you gotTa have backups. That is the size. If not will you run into Auburn Alabama old miss you know they got a pound you the death and that's your kids are. GonNa play their hearts out but they're going to get beat up and we after a while they we got to where we were. We didn't have very many. Sec Linemen yeah they were heavy but they were five pm. You know it's just it's a different kind of player that we didn't have very many. Mickey Marvin Zone the team. I'll just say that I remember Mickey Yeah. He was my teammate. He may he was a monster. I mean he he was by the way module the nicest players I've ever met. Oh yeah without a doubt without a doubt and then I went on the candidate met one of my another friend. That's a really good friend now but he was beating me up at Alabama. You remember your defense the Tackle Mike Rain. Oh I do yes we we have anybody looked like him but I ended up playing with play with him for six years at candidate Ottawa but you know it's just players and now we're we're. We're headed that way again. I think we'RE WE'RE GONNA get back but it's going to take a a little bit but we you know everybody says well. You think you're GonNa do I said let me ask you. Did you not see him. Hold up the National Championship Trophy Trophy last year. Go well here. We'll well leaving daddy he can. He knows what he's trying to do. He's been there. He's been I'm only part of that staff and he knows what to do. You just gotTa get the players to do it. So I feel like that battle all the time. I am I try not to but God just bothers me that people don't understand I don. I understand things I understand their fans and that's great but you want to say hey let me give you some of you. Go out to get them back in the head. Yeah no listen. I think the problem is the congress. Young people don't understand what what you went through and many of your teammates and many after you and before you but I think it's even more frustrating for me and I'm sure for you to a certain degree to to to have to remind people of of where Tennessee Stewart in the college football ecosystem back when you played it was Tennessee and Alabama that that's how it that game decided it every year Yep. That's right but you know they don't. They don't understand that and no matter how oh you explain it to them. They're so into the Internet and texting and all that other stuff and they believe everything they get text to read. This is tough but you're right back then it was it was the field mattered well. I really appreciate you joining us. I Apologize For missing a vitamin to your retirement party. I would've known about it. You Know Paul. I didn't even know about it and Philippine arranged arranged all this stuff and all these people start coming out with the blues. So what is this. What was your retirement party. Well thanks I would invite him. My mother very if you'd have told me I mean this is a cop. You just seem way too young to be retiring but no you put it in a long tenure up there. Well I enjoy. Paula really did well fan. We will but hey listen. I thank you for coming on. It's always a pleasure to reconnect and I hope you'll come back soon. Now that I know that you you have more time that'd be fine Legis. Let me know look forward to it. Thank you thank you Paul Cartridge Holloway just truly one of the absolute great players and I tell you what he said there and he spoke some serious truth in that the second part of the conversation about the current state of affairs in in Tennessee and you wonder why they aren't winning. I think he gave you a a pretty accurate explanation. We will take a break mortem. Your phone calls are next right here. GEICO presents yikes another voicemail from your roommate. Pipers in the basement completely flooded anyway. I call for someone to fix it but in the meantime I was thinking we could finally have that indoor pool Fardie. We were always wanted. I got some cool things already. Go and could you pick up some chips on on your way home later. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help keep your personal property protected like if your roommate isn't the brightest pool float in the flooded basement visit geico dot com to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast. Welcome back Blad. You're here coming up. A couple of minutes starts with should be a very interesting conversation. Dean is in Florida. Are you inspired by Congress Hallway Dane. Do you think he he offered the secret sauce to saving this program. Sir Let me I'm so glad I'm I'm able to talk to you right now. I grew up in just east of Memphis and Bolivar yeah and I went to Memphis state which is kind of an old news. I remember it all right. Look I think for the Tennessee fan base and I could shout out to my daughter who was a torchbearer award winner in Knoxville and her husband and is a maverick cume. laude graduate is hard man. I mean I mean seriously hard to watch this. I I mean we went through this from the Palmer and then Lane Chevron and it set off but here's the thing you got pedigree coach's Coach's Coaching University of Tennessee right now and what are you gonNA. Do you GONNA go. He's GonNa Talk to you. What are you going to bring in. You're gonNA bring in Washington. Washington state's old washed up coach to lead this team. Are you just going to hang on and let them recruit because Tripoli Paul well if you do not recruit the players that have been used to University of Tennessee over the past twenty years. You're not going to get back anywhere anywhere even close to what you think. You're going to get back to you can watch social media. You can listen to all the all the crap online online but if you do not let the players back on the field. What are you GONNA do. Where's Peyton Manning. Where's no you're absolutely right. Hey thank you very much team for the call. I think we lost you a little bit at the end there herald is up next in Athens Herald welcome to our program good afternoon. Thank you Paul I i WanNa make a comment on rt not naming but I I wanna just say today. This is one of the most informative shows I've ever had because as you know being in Athens Osama Georgia fan but what I want to switch to Paul is I grew up in Savannah which I think I've told you I always call in for the Georgia Florida but what I want to talk about is a gator bowl game with archie manning in Pants Sullivan. You remember that Guy Pat Sullivan not only do. I remember my known pat for Palaiseau. One time I my insurance. He was in the insurance business so I think he was pretty good over there at Arbor and as you know he wasn't bad. He won the heisman trophy in one thousand nine hundred so I think it was that year that Archie Archie I didn't go back and look it up. I I know a bunch of my students should be able to like while I'm holding on the phone. They would have had another computer pewter where they would have been able to but I'm pretty sure it was around that time Paul that Archie had injured his arm his left arm. I think and I think that it was pat and Archie. We're in a gator bowl where my dad took us from Savannah so I would have been about thirteen or fourteen eighteen. I think that's about all you would have been right. In seventy one right and the great thing was as we went down to this old gator bowl and enhance the old stadium and Archie was injured but he he basically ran all over the field and I think Auburn ended up winning save forty five to thirty eight. I if that's the multiple errors probably forty to thirty five. You know what I'm saying but I just wanted to go back to what Bert Jones said. Is that convinced me at age thirteen archie meaningless the best 'cause he peed good at it out played with a cast on one arm any any almost beat the has been trophy went and I thought that was great. I mean parents. Taliban was great and I guess the reason he wanted to heisman. Is I assume that Auburn beat Alabama that you know it's not interestingly interestingly of course by the way he had one of the greatest receivers. SEC history a couple of great receivers these Terry Bazeley yeah if I remember correctly and I don't remember I've read this. The heisman came out before the Iron Bowl in seventy one AH badly I think okay that's funny. No I think he won the Heisman the week before against Georgia. Okay well yeah and that's well. That's what I remember as Georgia's Savannah Fan but the one thing I will say though is I loved your interview with Bert Jones but if you don't mind on do you mind a one comment on Conrad's Halloway no okay. He said he went to Catholic school and he said he he was hit on the wrist by the Catholic priest in Savannah. It was the nuns yeah by the way here I was about to say that I went to WHO Catholic highschool as well and I still remember her. She was my biology teacher and she was famous for wrapping you on your knuckles tackles. We'll my mother page down in. Savannah says that sister right in third grade what happened with me. Paul was I was the the math expert so I knew that eight times eight hundred sixty four but evidently against competition in the city. I misspelled something like Jack Jack in the pulpit. I think I spelled. GAC instead of JC and sister Ida like like put me in the corner for lunch and from now on Ben steeler always said that he liked me. I never played events but I was a fan of events been said. Yeah Catholic school get to the third grade if you if you go to Catholic school in third grade what Vince said is you will play well for me it ending position yeah my my only regret is I only went briefly to only a couple of years to Kathak ice credit and go to parochial school growing up and had I gone the whole way. I perhaps would have amounted to something well. The great thing Paul in Savannah when I was coming up so seventy six is when we graduated and that's when they're bussing as you and I'm. I'm not gonNa comment because that has something to do with what I think. It's going to show up on this. SEC show that you're talking about is with the Bussing Benedictine addicting the Catholic school got we bill searcy played for Bear Bryant. The Kelly brothers played for Vince Gear Lynn the airplane for Pepper Rodgers. They some of those fellas probably wouldn't have gone to to Catholic school but it was it was a good time but again it. I think that this show that you're talking about is great. the other comment. I'd make Ken Burns as doing this country music thing right around the I don't know if you watching that no I've had had the honor of of interviewing can a couple of times and he is just one of the most interesting people great thing is what I've learned is I of all the people there's Johnny Johnny cash obviously he brings in this relationship between Johnny cash and Bob Dylan but his right Kris Kristofferson Kris Kristofferson doc persimmons like a Rhodes scholar writing so mayo he his parents wanted him to become like a professor and he said No. I'm going to be a I'm going to be a song online. I I don't know where I'm going to see but 'cause I'm traveling right now a lot but I I definitely WANNA watch. Ken Burns's the preeminent documentary documentary producer in this country. We're up against a break. We're going to get into a very interesting subject coming back I don't know a lot about but our next guest has pretty much as a PhD in IT Phillips Dutch join us next on the controversy that could rocket through Inter collegiate sports. We are live in New York. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast back really glad you're here. We are live in our New York studio and we've had phillips touch on often over the years. The media consultant takes a pretty good view of the of everything in in in the world and Philip. We've been talking about this case in is now in California anymore and about a week or two ago we you knew you were. GonNa come up so you you know pretty deep into the California situation and and frankly don't know very much about it and I know the audience audience has limited understanding of until we thought we'd get you up here tonight and gives us first of all primer on what is happening. What could be happening. Ultimately what it's going to mean yes intercollegiate. Athletics is about to drastically change and the domino the first Domino Comino is falling right now in California and what happened was there was a legislator Nancy skinner and she is from Berkeley California sure the SEC fans would love that but just she beat Ole Miss Complain so what happened was she introduced a bill that basically would pay college athletes based on their lightness their image and their name they can do endorsement deals they can do autograph deals it would give college athletes in the state of California. You know where else the ability to make money on their likeness their image and their name and why this is important is that mark imminent from the NCAA has pushed back very hard and I talked to sources inside the California state capital today and they said that the bill has already passed its unanimous. Everybody voted for it in the legislature. It's sitting on the governor's desk and the governor can either sign it and it will go into law not sign it it will go into law or he can veto it and and. I'm being told that they're it strongly. He will either not sign it or son it which means that would go into law and why this is important is the NCAA is why wouldn't you sign well. That's the my sources are telling me that the University of California regents and the California State University regents are pushing back incredibly doubly hard along with the NCAA. They are contending that this is an unconstitutional bill and we'll be challenged in court and it's unconstitutional national because interstate commerce governs on a national scale intercollegiate athletics and there you can't they say it would give the state of California California an unfair trade advantage because these athletes people can recruit the athletes to these schools in California and say you get paid to come to school here whereas schools in the South East East or anywhere else can't offer that and that's an unfair advantage there the NCAA. It's a it's a winning argument but the fact is the bill says even goes into law won't go into effect until two thousand twenty three and they have a provision in the law that says if the NCAA changes their rules than they will this law well. We'll go away so in the reason is important because it's also happening in New York South Carolina's considering. There's a congressman and North Carolina right now. Congressman Persson wants to bring this on a congressional level and in New York. It's not about making money on your lightness. The what they're doing is even crazier. They are saying the ability. They're going to put forth and again. People in the state capital of told me that the governor Cuomo is very interested in seeing a bill like this path they want to take fifteen percent of all all revenues that come from collegiate sports and distribute them evenly to all college athletes in the state of New York now you can understand and when I say the domino how important this is because if you've got one st with one set of rules another state with another set of rules and then every other state is going to create their own rules this is complete chaos and the only way can be resolved is for the NCAA to come up with one plan to pay college athletes yeah and and and obviously Marquette the president has said that will happen over his dead body but that was a long time ago he said that so. Let's let's let's follow this across the country and I WANNA make one other clarification before we get to defend. This California is a lightness situation. Yes this New York. Law is completely different. It's an atomic bomb would if they both pass chip ice. Yeah I mean again you deal in Washington all the a what I'm struggling and even asking fictional issues all I'll give you a metaphor real quick and it is that I believe disruption is happening all over the world. One of the examples talk about a lot when I speak to business. Groups is autonomous cars. We know autonomous cars are coming. I always say my six year. Old Daughter will never drive a car right. It's not that tournaments cars are coming. It is the second third order disruptions behind and consequences behind that let's say for instance speeding and parking tickets tickets win autonomous cars will part themselves and they'll be no more fines how to state governments collect money what happens to insurance companies when there's ninety nine percent safer cars in the road road in ten years than than there are now they go out of business though craziest one is what happens to people on organ donor lists when they're thirty five thousand less deaths us by car per year. Do they just die. I don't know but what I'm saying is. These are all the second third order consequences of this disruption. This California bill is the same thing. Thank your ask your question about your question. They're gonNA lawsuits in every state now that you've talking what happens if a booster says oh I can I can you know pay an athlete based on their lightness well. Hey you know to a tunnel. Oh come on over to Alabama and I'll pay you a million dollars for your autograph. There are so many second third in the NCAA is right. There are a lot of problems with us and they need to get a hold of it and put one standard in place ace before everything blows up now. Here's another consequence if it's naming the lightness Paul what happens to random sports within college athletic politic programs that don't have the kind of can't make money what happens to women's sports teams when they say well what about our fair share and then they're gonNA sue and and so and we've already seen this when title nine came about so these are all the things that are going to come down the pike if all these states in the game and create new rules so a It's two thousand nineteen. Twenty-three doesn't sound like a long time a long time. It really isn't so what do you believe will happen as the if this happens. This happens what what's going to happen. Everywhere who else is going to be bills popping up in every state legislature the congress will come in and try to have their own bill that covers everything around the country true the way I like in this is I went to Alabama so I'll use that as a metaphor. They have the best wide receiving corps in the country. If I was to replace Jerry Judy and and become the wide receiver at Alabama. I'm forty five years old and I'm slow I would be a major disruptive force on that team right now not in a good way and that's what these the legislators around the country doing well. They are becoming major disruptive forces. Maybe not in a good way but it's still going to affect what's going on in College Athletics Athletics. I realized Congress a little bit busy today but at some point do you think that eagle-eyed congressmen and senators will look around and go. Hey this this. This is a winning proposition. Let me get involved. They already are it's a bipartisan issue again. In California it was unanimously passed a Republicans in this is like the one issue that can bring Republicans and numerous breakdown of the California legislature. Oh I don't know predominantly democratic but the the in Congress the Congress in North Carolina who's a Republican and he's the one that's banting around right now whether he's going to introduce a bill. What's the upside so for Congress to do this. What what is the endgame for them. Well it's to put one standard in place at the. NCAA is not not gonNA put one standard in place then Congress can come in under the interstate commerce clause in put in one standard so at some point. Will we have congressional hearings hearings to to it's it's this again. I cannot emphasize this enough. The California bill is the first domino and there's is a ton of chaos that is about to ensue unless either Congress or the NCAA stop sign and creates one standard okay so we realized this is more academic Democ than some of our normal everyday fare here. It was important to explain it because it is complex. They'll come back. Take a break every four minutes ago and then have you tell us what you hear. Where do you think it's going and ultimately the impact it has on and what we do here every day. We'll be right back with Phillips. Does you're listening to the Paul. Finebaum show podcast welcome back final couple minutes on very important conversation. I realized we're heading toward week. Five in the college season some scintillating games this weekend for all of view to enjoy but Phillips touches in our studio and we want to spend a couple of minutes because Philip this is this is really heading down fascinate trek so we know where it is. Here's legislatively assuming we started seeing all this coalescing around whether it's California New York Carolina wherever looking looking into a crystal ball on a couple of years were does it all go well. I'll even say one thing for answer that which is you have. The two Democratic presidential candidates they've weighed in on this Pete Buddha judge and Bernie Sanders and Lebron James has also weighed on on the saying that we should be paying attempting to wade into he he has so you're starting to see the voices kind of rise up one way or the other and where I see this in a couple years I think the player there's no way getting around the college athlet college athletes will be paid in some way some fashion. Maybe not all maybe I don't know but the the the way that college football players or intercollegiate athletes are structured now under the NCAA will no longer exist within the next few years and there will be doc new dynamic in the way that they are paid and the way that they compete. We've already seen it today. This has virtually nothing to do with it but the quarterback Houston decided I'm not gonNA play anymore. I don't like to the same end says he said again today. He's going to stay there. That's a matter of opinion opinion but the independence and the rights of college athletes is is not just slowly moving. It's barreling down the road pretty quickly record. That's right and and you even see this in the way that like. Let's say there's another example targeting head. Targeting in the last five years has completely drastically changed the game. The transfer portal title has completely and drastically changed the game they didn't they were unintended consequences. They were second and third order consequences of the transfer portal and everybody's going through this right now today. Hey what happened. Today is exactly what I'm talking about. It is going to be on a much grander scale because you've got politicians involved now and that can be good and also yes. It can be really bad so you. You have two presidential candidates. both considerably less leaning. What impact will this tab on on on the other side. you have. Republicans you have the president who's a Republican. Obviously who's maybe preoccupied today. He's a big sports fan yeah he is. He is not wait on us. As far as I can tell I will tell you that there are Republicans who believe that college athletes should be paid and there are Republicans out there that think it should stay the same mm-hmm as it is as an amateur body. I tend to think that eventually everybody's GonNa come around and this isn't what I want. This is I can see what is happening. There is a storm that has come over. This California. Bill has changed. Everything and I don't think people realize how impactful it'll be and we will know Friday the with the governor of California signs the bill or doesn't sign the bill or Vitas the bill if veto the bill it punts it at least for a year. I see stepping back for a second Phil. Why the change why now. Why is the country shifting on this issue? We'll everybody's talking about it for two years. This is how all movements Ryoko is a great question great quotas by first starts as a movement then it becomes a business and then it becomes a racquet and right now it's in the movement stage and and it has been talked about and talked about in family you know the San Francisco Chronicle recently said California decided to take the lead and they decided to do something about it not just talk about it anymore. In California legislators had done that especially this Nancy skinner in Berkeley California. We haven't heard a lot of coaches and administrators chime in and at some point. Everyone will offer or be asked about this. Have you sensed anything from well. They don't they don't want they don't want to change. They're making can all the money but they also have two constituencies. They have the normal ones and recruits out there so we're seeing this happening around and wants to be paid right and and you better believe the person that probably will be on the forefront of this probably Nick Sabin. That's why I ask everybody. Everybody else will sit on their hands. Nick Sabin will see the tea leaves and is smart and nothing has innovated enough to be out there in front of it and that may start swaying everybody else in college football and I'm. I'm surprised again. We are are now in season so if you you you're somewhat recipe of asking Nick Sabin after a game about something but but I don't think you'll have to be prompted at some point well He. You should be asked because I think the dynamic of this whole situation. I think another domino would fall. It's a major cultural came out like saving you have my shift ski and and it it would serve their purposes to give an answer supporting it. Would it not oh my God. It would be massive. Nick Sabin wants to remain role of he is relevant as a coach wants relevant in the media and the forefront of where the trends are going. This is a trend that is moving in that direction. I want to be clear. I'm not advocating skating either. I'm telling you a trend. It is not going to be stopped. It is a major wave that is coming. You represent a lot of clients. You're very active in in Washington. mm type. We had a great time. There were about a year ago seeing all the usual sites from inside the ropes. We can't talk about no. We are not allowed to talk about our trip to the White House else or the that was pretty memorable. Look at Tom. I am not I. I still don't think they've given me my cellphone the CIA well. It doesn't work mugging listen. I know exactly where I am right now. Philip this assassinating topic. It won't be the last time we talk talk about it. thank you more than anything for educating us because frankly not a lot of information subset of on this until now now. I feel like I could get seeing underscores good well. That's that's average. Which is from New York? Thank you for listening to Paul. Finebaum show podcast the Paul Paul Finebaum show airs weekdays on the S._E._C. Network beginning at three eastern.