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PODCAST: Donna Hughes was denounced by her university for questioning gender identity

Feminist Current

44:52 min | 2 months ago

PODCAST: Donna Hughes was denounced by her university for questioning gender identity

"There you there you there you got you got. You are listening to feminist current. I'm megan murphy. Cancel culture can no longer be said to be nonexistent now with any legitimacy in any case we've seen it happen too many times and this time the target is donahue's professor at the university of rhode island in the gender and women's studies department. She is the founder and editor in chief of dignity. A journal on sexual exploitation and violence and has long conducted research on human trafficking particularly the sexual exploitation and trafficking of women and girls after publishing an article entitled fantasy worlds on the political right and left cunanan and transects beliefs. The calls for her firing began now. The university has denounced her with no conversation. I spoke with her this week about the situation. How're you how are you doing. How are you holding up over there. I'm i'm fine. I really am albums. Include here that. How long have you been working in the gender and women's studies department. Well i took the job in nineteen ninety six and at that time it was women's studies program and then changed about ten years ago to gender and women's studies and recently and recently we became a department so now it's the gender and women's studies department right and and that was a a trend. That kind of happened across the board In north america that Women's studies departments were becoming gender. Studies department You know i. I was Simon fraser university. To do my maybe a and my master's degree in women's studies in our department named changed in. I think around twenty ten so Young jobless send some y y. That happened well. I opposed it. I was the sole vote against Changing women's studies to gender and women's studies. Actually it was even a compromise to keep women in in the in the name Yes it had to do with moving away from the old women's studies that focused on women and you know the idea was that somehow we were going to do more. That gender was so much more expansive it was more. You could do with it. Which i in in some ways. I agree but on the other hand it's not The kind of thing that keeps you centered on women and one of the things that happened after that which was so telling just told you where we were going. And that is that The then director of the program said oh what we need to do. Now is go through our course catalog and everywhere that the word woman or women appears in the course description we change it toward gender and other words it was. She proposed a complete disappearance of women. And i thought wow You know the second wave of the women's movement one of the things that was so important was going back and finding about the history of women and how much had been uncovered and known from the first wave and one of the things we knew was that women had been disappeared That somehow nobody remembered all those things that had occurred in in the in the first wave and and even even before going back many decades. And i thought that's where this is headed. It's going to be just disappearance of women again. It's so interesting And again you know. That's the same thing that happened at my university. I mean it's the same thing that's happened at all the universities that had women's studies programs which became focused on gender studies. And i there was a kind of referendum at at my university around the name change. And i also voted to stick just with women's studies in the determined they decided to turn it into gender sexuality and women's studies and that no so You know i. I went back and looked at the course curriculum a couple years ago and also you know women had been erased so all there was no there was no course that was named woman in anything you know when i was there. There was you know. I don't know women in media women in third world women and were rodman in pub culture stuff like that and it all became gender. Every course name was a agenda or something other it's strange. I wonder if you think that was i. Don't i don't like to frame these things as some kind of grand conspiracy theory. But i'm always trying to get at how it happened and why it happened at the same time across the board. Do you think it was intentionally. You know where did where did this. Push to change in erase women come. I think it was the influenced by postmodernism That you can play word games and Do much more abstract analysis when you talk about gender rather than when you talk about women women are real you look at you research and talk about real women and what happens to women and I mean that's the definition of women's studies is that you put women in the center of the subject and you start analyzing What is happening to women are what they are doing. Their history by placing women in the center and of course with gender they immediately thrown out of the center. Possibly even to the side and gone and So i think it was that the influence of postmodernism That did that and actually the first change. I don't know. I don't know which department or program was the first to change the name that i don't know and i think that when was it that you noticed that these departments are i mean you can probably speak specifically to your department more so than other departments Started talking about the concept of gender identity I actually know Because i became. I sort of stuck with the old women's studies And that is. I was looking at researching and advocating for law changes and so forth for sex trafficking prostitution commercial sexual exploitation. And that's what i did. I just moved my third focus over there. And of course i. We also were researching sex buyers so Men were focused too but we were look asking questions about what were they. What were they doing. And that really was my focus. And i just sort of I have to admit. I just sort of didn't pay much attention to the gender stuff as much it wasn't concrete and it wasn't something that i could Advocate for new laws or new policies or shelters of vir- for victims. Go to conferences where we actually talked where there were victims who were were victim leaders and It was A very solid movement and still is But you know we didn't play with gender. Yeah and when was it that you did start paying attention to what was happening around gender identity ideology and trans rights activism and those things actually relatively Recent i mean i know jan raymond and Have you know. Have a copy of her transfix sexual empire from decades ago. And i know. Sheila jeffreys than i bought her books all the time and so i knew there was discussion about this and You know i was reading a little bit about it. But i have to say it was only in my peripheral vision Second okay i see. Something's gone on over there. But i didn't really did not understand the magnitude of it till till relatively recently and where i really started looking around was that i've been involved in opposing decriminalization of prostitution In various places including a state where where i teach and the in rhode island and increasingly we saw Transgender activists showing up For a trying to influence the law testifying before hearings and so forth. And that's really what made me start paying attention like Because i could see. They had a very different agenda than we did. We were working for the health and welfare of victims. And when did you begin speaking out really only relatively recently The actually the only thing i've ever written with the the infamous a fantasies article So that and i really did that just purely as i started out the piece. I was sitting here in lockdown going. What is going on. Also i think one of the things is when you when you do political work You need allies and off for many years probably a good twenty years I have worked in bipartisan coalitions. I've worked with feminists. I've worked with conservatives. I've worked with christians. Anybody who was interested in assisting victims of sex trafficking of i worked with. Oh we didn't people didn't have to check their credentials at the door or something like that and that was that was important and that kept me really focused on the topic and and learning how important it is to do that. So tell me a bit more about your analysis. Oh you you wrote this article for for w which was about what you called the the trans sex fantasy What does that mean. Well i was wanting to focus on the fact that you it's a fantasy that you Can change sex. And so therefore. I didn't use transgender or transsexual or anything like that is specifically said trans sex That is the the changing of one sex. So that's why. I chose that title lord that word And see you. You compare what you call the trans sex fantasy to to other Fake news as you say like you reference cunanan and you reference anti-science approaches to cova. Ed i wonder i mean. Do you think that's a fair Comparison to think that transgenderism is comparable to a conspiracy theory. Yeah we'll see you're using the word transgenderism. I don't in in the essay I'm looking talking about ideas and fantasies. I'm really not talking about the people as much I'm talking about the Belief in things. That aren't true. That's that would really was my focus. And i mean i know it's you could say well. Can you really separate people from ideas. But and but i was trying to do my best To only look at the ideas and whether they were even possible or not and I know that there's some cuban on conspiracy Conspiracies up in canada but down here in particular around the the election They were very prominent. And i knew some relatives that started to believing some of this stuff and i was reading about of relatives that would just serve their The their relatives had just sort of disappeared into this conspiracy theory and the absolutely couldn't talk with them anymore They had you know sort of gone down the rabbit hall. And then i started reading the same thing written by parents who said that you know their their children. Their teens had just Sort of gone down the rabbit hole. Two of these ideas and the they could not communicate with them anymore and i just saw the remarkable parallels That were happening. And so that was the idea was to talk about the i. The parallels of the false information false beliefs right. So i suppose it's less so about the actual content of of cunanan per se or you know perspectives on cove it or transgenderism. So much is the approach to discourse in discussion and And you know the ability to even talk about what's real and what's not is. That sort of is that i can't yeah i think so Around the the cova was that Believing incorrect things about covert that. It was a conspiracy That it wa- it wasn't real at all That merged right in with q. And on unless one of the things is these. The ideas become there are fluid. They change over time and cunanan may have started out. Actually it started out before Cove and arrived and it was all about Pedal files ruling the world and so forth but then when covert arrived in conspiracy. Theory started a rising around it. Then that that merged with cunanan. Tell me so you publish this article. I think was info at the end of february. And and what happened. When when did the the backlash begin. I it really didn't begin for About several weeks when it was finally discovered and then it was sort of just flashed over into twitter and it was off off and running and this was was it students that discovered the article about. Well i don't know you don't know who anyone is on twitter so i don't know what was okay. So so it sort of got amplified on twitter And then what happened. Well there were media demands for the university to denounce me and it was went from. I wasn't more than about three or four days. From the time that someone discovered it and there were calls for my denunciation until in fact the university of released a statement on denouncing me and It was like there was almost no thought no discussion. I mean it's one of the things that everyone's particularly the university is now trying to backtrack. Because i've i've called the on violation of my free speech. And they are now you know using all the good words of always support discussion. We support debate. We favor exchange of ideas. I mean all the all the idealistic things that they should be doing but to this day. Not one person. Either administrator a faculty member or student have talked to me about that piece. there haven't been any questions there haven't been any say. Oh could we talk about this or what did you mean by that or do you you know so. We have a debate about it. Nothing there's only been condemnation and denunciation saying anything is so in other words is just what they're standing for or what they claim they're standing for about The importance of knowledge is totally fake. And i mean this is. This is always the approach to this particular issue In terms of those who are claiming that those of us who are critical of gender identity ideology or legislation claiming that we being you know hateful bigoted or exclusionary or you know all of those other words. People use to describe us turf transphobic on and so forth. There there is no discussion. you know. There's no. There's no debates. There's no conversation you barely very rarely will get a phone call from someone who's denouncing even. If it's somebody that you know you know a colleague or friend or whatever saying like hey just curious to know more about your thoughts on snow. Nothing like that y. Do you think that is because i think they're really deep into this ideology that it it. There's a whole set of beliefs in which you have to have and they cannot be questioned. It is really pretty amazing particularly that You know the first thing that was done was the release of the statement by the university and particularly the dean of the college of since sciences. Once again there was no discussion. A burst thing. I knew was that i got an email from my chair of the department. Who said we are in discussion with the provost or the dean is in discussion with the provost. We will get back to you. And then the next thing i know is the dean Said we're releasing the statement. We've written the statement and any put. Were going to release it to any news organizations that ask for it and they put it on the website that was it. That was the extent of the quote. Discu- up any kind of discussion for that matter. They didn't even ask me my really road right. Can you confirm your article. Exactly not even anything as simple as that. that's crazy. Are there other issues where the university of responds in this way. I have never heard of one. And i think also one of the things. That's interesting is that i'm a full professor. I have an endowed chair. I'm wanna therefore. I'm one of the senior faculty members at the university. And that they would just smear me and clearly. Just try to completely ruined my reputation without even a discussion without even a sit down and talk with you know. I can't think of anything. Don't matter how vile people have actually done. That have received a that kind of treatment. You had you ever talk to any of your colleagues about this issue before. Well it is when things have been discussed in in faculty meetings and so forth and some of them actually Yeah there's been talk that we have to have a safety trainings. And and there's been discussion of faculty meetings that we need to have a queer studies minor. So these kind of things have been talked about but of course one of the things. That's really interesting about this. That goes along with the same kind of Behavior and that is no one talks about what they are for example. It's been on our agenda or the department's agenda to develop a queer studies minor for at least a year. Maybe a year and a half. Not once of. I heard anyone talk about. What is that. they're going to study. What is the content of a queer studies curriculum. And so i guess that goes along with it. Either you're for it or against it and And i've never said i'm against it. There's just been no discussion. I think that's so interesting. I mean one is queer studies. I have i have some ideas and and so forth. But that's that's not what. I want to talk about sure so i'm curious to know you. You haven't really engaged in conversations with colleagues about the gender identity issues that cracking has anyone else that you were with expressed concerns because then that would require some sort of a discussion would require a discussion about what is a gender identity. There's never been a discussion about that. There's just the the words queer studies minor. We have to get someone to teach them. We need to ask for a faculty line so we can do it but you know nothing about what the goals are or what it would actually be about. I wonder if you feel that. The atmosphere in academia has changed in recent years in terms of the approach to freedom freedom of expression and academic freedom. You'd have to say. I've never heard of anyone being denounced by an entire university. The way i've just been over an article they wrote a so. I've never heard of anything like this. Have any of your colleagues stepped in to defend you private not within my department. No there have been other faculty members around the university Even students and many many people outside the university who have written to me privately written to me privately about giving me support so forth but nobody and the university will speak out. I mean why would they if they just saw me denounced by the whole university why they must be scared to death to speak out other than like. I said private emails in which they beg for confidentiality. I've read a read the the article that was in Inside Inside higher ed and the university responds and says that professors have the general right to academic freedom in their teaching in scholarship. But that these rights are not bound lis- however and and then the university said These these rights should be exercised responsibly with to regard for the faculty members other obligations including their obligations to university students in their university community. What does that mean. I'm actually not quite sure where the legal lines are on that. But i most certainly would say that. I thought i believe that there are people at the university who are giving out false information false information that is leading people to start drug hormone regimes and get surgeries. I most certainly should be speaking out. I'm not. I don't. I truly do not believe that i i am saying is harmful. I believe people's feel there are some people's feelings being hurt. But but i don't believe that what i'm saying is harmful in some ways. I compare it to this talks. I've given for years on sex trafficking. I give very tough talks on sex trafficking. But i'm not criticizing the peop- the victims in sex trafficking and i've never had anyone come up afterwards and said oh. That's so awful. What you said about victims. It's clearly understood that i'm speaking out against the harm. That's being done to people and that's where this has just a tone gone off the rails right. Yeah and i mean. I've i've experienced the same thing you know you talk about women's sex-based try to talk about your concerns about the impact on corals or on youth in general Obviously the impact on on women and women's spaces and women saved. And you're treated as though you're you're attacking individuals who identify as transgender. I've not one of the things that's interesting is because the pieces comparing q on the ideas of cunanan to the ideas of transects. I haven't had received one complaint from someone who from the cunanan side not one I haven't even received any positive comments. Actually there's been a couple of people that said. I think you're right on both cases or something like that of but like i said no complaints about what i said about queuing on eight and i mean it's it's interesting because universities allow attacks on women who are critical of gender identity ideology at the university. You know just read. The minnesota state. University is hosting an event called. Let's talk about turks In a couple of days. And and i find that really offensive. You know it's insulting I would would in could argue that it's misogynistic and you know you can even see how quickly the word turf is no longer a slur. Just a descript her. Yeah they're pretending it's neutral but but it is a slur and it's and it's always used in a derogatory way. People know what they're using it. They're using it as a slur. You know it's completely rely completely dishonest to pretend that that that word is not intended to smear But i mean. I think it's interesting that you know that kind of event would never be perceived as You know offensive or an attack on maybe some female students at the university or a female professor is you know there's no consideration for how that might impact or how that might feel to two women at the university and yet to talk about Gender identity critically no to make the kinds of arguments that you're making around your concerns that's immediately assumed without any discussion whatsoever to be in attack One thing. I just thought of that. I want to go back on just a little bit and i said that no one has up for me. There have been faculty members who have written to the administration. Saying they support me but So they have done that but they have not. Those litters have not been publicly released. I it's just a little bit of a just wanted to distinction. So so what's happening right now. Is there some kind of investigation into you. Is there some kind of legal process. Well my attorney has been sending some letters telling them that How they have violated my rights to free speech and so forth. And i think we're just sort of working through a process and I think they're trying to figure out a little bit about what to do. mean because They're in deep on this I think they really are. And i think they're probably trying to figure out. We acted too soon. Why did we not slow this down at think about what we were doing before we did it. You recently involved in the launch of the academic freedom. Alliance as i understand it. What is that about Well as you use referred to there's just been a lot of violations of faculties free speech going on and more and more cases and there's a couple of organizations like one is called fire Foundation for individual rates in an education And some other cropping up. But they're just so many cases so many complaints that you know. The existing organizations can't handle them so this organised. I was not actually involved in the in the committee. Worker that the sit down and drawing it up I simply reached out to one of the people who was involved in founding. It and i and i really called him just to chat like man. You know what's happened you know what's going. On up here this is before the denunciation and He said well. We have this organization that we're just starting. Do you want to be a founding member. And i said yes i mean i knew right away and actually i should go back and tell you okay. So i'll finish that. So that's how i became. A founding member was by the invitation of One of the founders before the launch and i guess i should back up a little bit and tell you how a howl i knew that things were Going to happen i i. Shouldn't i shouldn't say that that i could just tell. The climate was changing. And that is that. I spoke to the chair of of my department in january and We're talking about many of the things and she said well. I want you to know that. There's some students have complained because you are using articles by megan murphy. What and they said yes. They don't like megan or her. Her sight feminists currents and don't want you to use anything. Now i had. I started thinking right away and no insult megan. But i've never used one of your articles. And i think i because i knew that i said. I don't think i've ever used an article by megan murphy. And they said she said well maybe it was just from her site. And i said you know i couldn't you know i can't. I use a lot of material. But i anyway. She told me not to use it again because students didn't like it. They were offended by things that were on feminists current so i spent the next two months at least trying to think i haven went through my syllabi. Where is this article that supposedly. I couldn't find it and it's been a couple of weeks ago. I was isn't it was in the shower and suddenly came to me a couple of semesters ago. I made a list of websites or podcasts. And things like that that the students might want to check out if they want to learn. More about feminism. Here are some things you could go. And listen to. And i realized that's where Feminist current was listed. So all it takes simply to list. Some resources for outside use was enough. That i got a i got complaints. I mean that's that's amazing because Yeah it's not. It's not even as you suggested an article to suit or anything like that. You literally just listed the name of the website and said hey you can go check this out if you're interested that's it man is i mean the climate. I can't get my head around it. I know that was the kind of thing that tipped me off that Things were likely to get a lot worse. So while like i said then i sort of put my call out to my friend became involved or at least a founding member of the academic freedom alliance. So do you think that this whole controversy is going to make it difficult for you to continue teaching at the university. Well that's an excellent question. What do you do when you've been denounced by the whole university. I on the web on on the news website there was also an independent Statement written by the faculty signed by most of the faculty members not all that was released to the students. So we have a situation where i'm senior member of the of the department. I've been there longer than any of them. The highest ranking member and the faculty have just released a statement denouncing me to the students. We're we're we're we're ready to go to the first. But where do i go from there but also where does the department go from there. How do they plan on going forward when they've just they just denounced their senior member. Exactly i mean. I don't know how old they are planning to go forward. I mean how can they offer courses taught by you to students who they've said you know who they've they've the they've denounced this professor then they're saying but you can take her course whereas where it's right now and it's not It's i can tell you what they're doing now as i is there. They've been trying to cancel my courses. just get me out of the core courses and sort of push me over to the margin or i just teach my courses on sex trafficking and and Our human trafficking and sexual violence the the courses they don't really care about. How's that gonna turn out. I don't know interesting. i think. I think we're in an entirely new ground. I think so too So how can is there a way that people can support you. Well there there might be It there was something that was just disgusted an email this morning. Then i most certainly can't talk about yet or one of the things that can do of course is right to the administration right to the dean right to the provost right to the department chair and express your support. But i realized from the emails. I'm getting that. Most of the people are still afraid to if you write a letter like that. There's an expectation that you would give your name and where you work. And i can tell you from the emails i'm getting. There's no way that people are going to do that. I'm getting emails from graduate students. I'm in my program. And i absolutely can't say anything to anybody. I don't know how even going to write my thesis without talking about certain things and i'm scared to death that you know someone's going to find out what i really think. These are graduate students. And i also getting emails from other faculty members from faculty members and other universities who they've been denounced to and over what sounds like the silliest things that that they're just you know everyone has ganged up on him and the administration supports this. It's one thing if you think you had sort of a a a little kabul faculty members who stepped over the line you would expect that the administration would step in and say. Wait a minute. What's going on over here. Let's Think we need to talk about this. And we have some respect. We need to have some guidelines. We need to draw some rules that kind of thing. But that's not happening either with me or with these other universities in fact it's the administration joins in or remain silent. We have a the president and the provost at university of rhode island have been totally silent. I mean would it be useful for others to right into the university who are outside of academia or yes no. I absolutely think it would because some of the emails that i'm getting saying i'm not sending my kids to university of rhode island if that's the way they behave towards the faculty members so yes. I'm i'm definitely getting emails from people who who's respect for. The university has has dropped to know from the they do need to hear from the general public. Yeah okay is there. Is there someone specific. They should direct these letters to. I'm sure they'll be people else. You want to support you okay. The chair of the department is rosaria pizza. The last name is p. I s. a. And if you go to the gender and women's studies department website You'll see her email there. The next person up the ladder is the dean Ginette riley and you can find her as the dean of the college of arts and sciences and those two have been deeply involved in in. What has happened is as far as either Circulating statements releasing statements And then the third person the next step would be the provost. Those name is donald d hayes and you could look up provost donald d hayes. He needs to know that these letters and people's opinions are coming in but he has been totally silent on it. He's just let it run. Okay great thank you You know despite what some of the students at your university might think we do have quite large audience. So i suspect there will be people who want to write and support you and i'm glad to hear that you're doing okay. You sound you. Don't sound too distraught about the whole situation. And i'm glad that you're speaking up because you know somebody has to right. Yeah so thank you so much for talking with me. Today it was really. It was good to connect with you despite the not so positive circumstances but it was nice to speak with you. Okay thanks for inviting me. Thank you so much. You just heard an interview. Donahue's a professor at the university of rhode island in the gender and women's studies department. That is all the time we have for today. 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White House Vows To Have Something To Stick Into Your Arm By October

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07:11 min | 9 months ago

White House Vows To Have Something To Stick Into Your Arm By October

"The race to find a cure for covid-19. When will there be a vaccine that's been the question on everyone's mind since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. And today we may finally have a clearer picture of the timeline yesterday President Trump filed to definitely something to stick in your arms soon. And as ordered the rollout of some kind of sharp pointy medicine thing that will poke you by the end of October at the latest your CDC deputy director and shook it on the White House has promised thanks to our nation's doctors being at the Forefront of medical and scientific research and our American Ingenuity. The US will be the first country to distribute a stabby pointy pain a vile thingy designed to be jabbed directly into patients muscle or skin or something and it will have some effect on your body either good or bad joining us. Now with more is ope our health corporate agenda Resnick. So Jenna, it sounds like something that at least resembles a vaccine could be on the horizon exactly which phase of the process is it in well as of right now Leslie, we really don't know very much but what we do know is this President Trump has guaranteed that all Americans will get stuck with something in their arm by election day. Now so far Pfizer Moderne and AstraZeneca have all been able to develop some very promising poking methods extremely sharp long and wet take a listen after ten long months. We know Americans are ready and excited to get stabbed soon people just like you and me will be able to go to a pharmacy down pay money and get stabbed through the skin with a vial of goo in a very painful way. Well, I gotta say that can't come soon enough, but I have to admit Jenna I really wasn't expecting to get stabbed by our government until Twenty-One at the earliest. That's right. Some were even estimating 2024 is a more realistic time frame for having a stranger in Scrubs inject healing juices into your veins. But according to the CDC even with the accelerated schedule early trials are going well. So far. The devices have been very effective at going into and out of arms as well as shooting the liquid which has been amply moist. They are however still trying to work out some of the quote Peppa Pig. And deadly side effects, but that's not going to stop them from rolling this thing out and Walgreens and CVS Pharmacies across the country as soon as possible. Oh Walgreens, that's where I buy my little bottles of orange juice and large fish oil pills every morning so you can count me and but Jenna I have to assume people are going to be pretty excited to have their skin punctured once it's available and personally, I'd rather endanger everyone around me or even die myself rather than wait in line longer than 15 seconds. How does the government plan to roll this out in a way that meets the high demand? Well, it's certainly going to be difficult. But the plan as of now is to prioritize Suburban patients who are also undecided voters. The White House also wants to focus on high-risk patients like the elderly particularly in blue States and is planning to stab them all in the neck presumably so the serum can get to their brain faster interesting tactical. How much is it going to cost while there had certainly been talk of it being no cost to patients. The price has actually yet to be set according to the CDC so far they've estimated it could cost either $10 5 home. Dollars or even one hundred thousand dollars depending on how desperate we get small price to pay for a vaccine that may or may not work. Thanks Jenna when it comes out. I'll be first in line. Otherwise, I'm not getting it. I'm a busy man. Anyway, that's opr is Jenna Resnick back in a moment? You know even with a vaccine, I'm still not sure if I'll ever feel quite comfortable enough to go back to a restaurant again and hide in the big garbage can and the kitchen so that when the wait staff clears off the food left behind on both of those plates at lands right into my open mouth allowing me to eat a free meal with the people working at the restaurant being none the wiser, but who knows maybe one day we'll be able to get back to some sense of normalcy. Anyway, here's what I need to know today the far-right conspiracy theory dub qanon has gained an alarming amount of traction in the lead up to this year's presidential election. And today we may have more of an understanding as to why a new psychological study published this morning has found that the appeal of qanon can be attributed largely to it being one hundred percent true top psychiatric researchers have concluded that when a certain type of person is presented with the fact that our government is secretly run by a cabal of Satan worshipping pedophiles. They will have a tendency to believe these claims due to the fact that they're totally real and absolutely can be backed up with hard undeniable evidence if you just Just read between the lines interesting. They may have to dive into my Facebook feed and do a little research on this for myself and big news for bird lovers today is ornithologist from the University of Rhode Island have been founded a ten million dollar Grant to research whether that big bird up. There is a hawk researchers are hopeful that this newly secured funding will help them ascertain whether the burden question is indeed a hawk and not some kind of ego long possibly even a falcon in will allow them to expand their investigation by passing around the binoculars so they can all get a better look at that thing. And finally as we near the end of the month Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti has unveiled his plan to combat the city's growing homeless population brought on by the mass evictions plaguing his city mayor Garcetti announced today his administration stands committed to ensuring every Los angeleno has a roof over their head and that he would personally be sending around some pretty reasonable Zillow listings to those in need sounds like a great plan and if any homeless residents are listening take my advice if you see something you like on one of them. Listings hop on a quick anything under a million usually gets cooped up pretty fast. 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How AI and Data Science Could Better Inform Public Policy Decisions

Artificial Intelligence in Industry

26:34 min | 2 years ago

How AI and Data Science Could Better Inform Public Policy Decisions

"The promises of artificial intelligence is aiding humans and making smarter decisions. Whether it's in big life sciences and pharma firms or retail banks or ecommerce companies the idea of being able to pool together. The streams of data that we have and cokes out. The insights would help us make the best call for the organization to reach our goals to have a higher profit margin. Whatever the case may be this is exciting. This is in large part, the promise of artificial intelligence, and sort of what would it gets it on the radar of executives? Probably like many of those who are tuned in right now. And is it turns out of that same dynamic is happening in the public sector where he is now being used to inform policy. I was fortunate enough to interview someone this week who's working on exactly that leveraging data to make smarter decisions. In this case in the policy side of things professor Joan Peckham is at the university of Rhode Island previously. She was program director at the National Science. Foundation peach computer science and she runs data science initiatives at URI university. Rhode Island is home to data spark which is serving organization that helps policymakers inform the decisions that they're going to make about the economy about the environment about the opioid crisis. Whatever the case may be based on deeper assessments of the data and being able to aim to coax forth. Kind of the objective insights might be able to make better decisions about where money goes and what decisions are made for me. This is very correlative to what's happening in business. Business leaders are aiming to do the same thing better dashboards better predictive, analytics better understanding of what's going on. So that they can inform where they're going. And I think the dynamics Joan articulates I think translate to what's going to be happening in the C suite right now, the folks who are writing laws and informing regulation are beginning to tune in to artificial intelligence as source of informing those decisions certain. Not making them, but informing them, and I think in the C suite of big companies the same dynamical play out, particularly when the data is actually there Joan does talk a bit about some of the data concerns that have to go into this. And the fact that that there is no there is no crystal ball in artificial intelligence, but this is survey away to hopefully make better decisions and kind of win as possible. When is it not getting Joan goes into some useful insight? So this is a cool opportunity to speak with someone for my own alma mater. I'm grateful to Kareem who is the dean of the university libraries at university of Rhode Island. He was kind enough to have met you arrive for Tech's talk about a year ago. I ne- made sure that I got to get the grand tour of the little URI. I lab down there when I was back in my home state. So without further ado, this a fun interview on using AI to inform decisions in this case about policy with professor Joan Peckham at university of Rhode Island. I'm Dan fa- jello with emerge, and you are listening to a and industry. It's role right. So Joan were I wanted to get us kicked off. I know that you've applied data science to policy concerns from the workforce to ecological considerations to kind of disease in the opioid crisis. When you think kind of a high level about where data science has a role in policy. How would you describe that? How would you nutshell where it fits in? It's very important. I think to policymakers today to try to make decisions that are based on data. Not just a sense of what people believe should be done. And I think there are many are feeling frustrated that they don't have access to this information. And so they data science can help them to compile data in link data in ways that that we weren't able to do before and make reasonable decisions about these policies. It doesn't mean that data science tells them what the policy should be. It means that they are. Are being provided with sources of information. That will help them go to the experts in in education health care, and so on and given the data make the most reasonable policy changes or recommendations. Yeah. And it sounds like this curiosity is actually very similar to what we see in bigger businesses where the kind of the first thing that people think about for can we use a around here, which which is often, you know, a pretty common thought it is. Hey, we have all this data. Are there patterns here that we could mind it would be useful in obviously for policymakers? They're making decisions about pretty important matters. They probably have the same thought occur in their minds. Maybe we could do more than anecdotally combing through this. Maybe there are actual patterns across these, and we can actually, you know, inform those, although it seems challenging some degree Joan because I presume maybe sometimes policy makers kind of have, you know, agendas for political agencies or kind of beliefs in some way. That might vary. It from making kind of necessarily the quantitative insight is there may be a part of the policy enough of the policy process that is trying to be grounded in objectivity to actually care about that. Because I feel like politics hurly-burly world in policy is as well, it almost feels like man where does up to fit in their life. Think being human is is the the key is that psychologists tell us that we'd frequently make decisions with our guts side before sometimes we will get the evidence. And then we if left unfettered to to make these decisions we might make decisions we might go out and glean on the environment to find the data that supports our patients. Yes. And so he really need to do is to put into place, you know, procedures and strategies for making use of data on at the data analysis side. As well, as you know, the interface with a human being where the human beings are drawing conclusions from from the data. It's really it's one of the key factors in days. Good days ci- education, for example, his to really consider the ethical implications. You know, one of my favorite books. Can't the O'Neill's a book on weapons of mass destruction. She talks about many of these things. I don't think that the conclusion is that we shouldn't be using big data or artifice intelligence, but we have to understand the limitations. Artificial intelligence was developed in order to have machine make decisions as well as human beings do. But we're we're not we're not there yet. And so it is a I don't know if we ever will get their mission replace the human being, but we have to learn how to center Justice work with with the algorithms and the machine the human in the lope is going to be extremely important, but we left to our own devices have to be careful to we need to consider the ethical implications of what we're doing in understand our own psychology of how you know if left to our own devices how we might on data in. I completely agree. I think that it's tough to route that out, you know. In other words, I'm wondering. Myself how we kind of bring that ethical precept here to life. In other words, how can we ensure that we're not presenting? Maybe we're not using the data sets. We know we're gonna help our decision using the analytical methods. We know we're gonna help our decision. How do we control for that? Because it seems like somebody's alternately funding. The research the research that you know, a team like you folks at the university of Rhode Island will do, you know, in some way, shape or form it gets funded from somewhere. So it seems like how do we shake the incentives from raw political belief or raw by sees a raw business or political interest kind of out of our conclusions as much as possible where where does that barrier happen? What do you think could be improved there because I can see the challenge that you're addressing I think it's education though, in a long ago when I was at NSF and working on computational thinking, we finally decided that everyone needs to know a little bit of computer science will. I think that everyone is going to need to. To know also a little bit of data science in our official intelligence. We we all need to know enough. So that we know when to bring expert to the table, and how how to bring people from different disciplines that might add knowledge that could help us to make decisions based on data. I can give ample from computer science where we just had some on one of our industrial partners who's doing quite a bit of software engineering data science in their company, and one of the things that they do is that when you are designing experiment or you're designing software. They are certain forms that you fill out to capture. You know, what it is that you're going to be doing if whether state analysis or developing software, and there's one question they always have on these forms, which is what could be the possible ethical implications. Let's have a discussion before or as we're developing the software instead of what we frequently. Do today is make use of the software. Or the analysis techniques begin to see the harm were doing. And then way back up we have to develop create laws and policies. And so on we need to educate all of our technologist to begin to think about that as where we're developing. Yeah. So case in imbuing viewing the ethical considerations kind of into the into the initial conversation. You know where could steer wrong, what could be the issues here. And again, making sure that maybe the people involved are in some way informed as to the fundamentals of data science. If there's some clear kind of rough oversight in terms of what data was used a reward. We the people analyzing the people making the policy discussions would at least have the savvy to say, hey, why are we only using those two data sources from those two places, and they might be able to have their intent I up for research that might be a little bit off or might not be addressing the range of concerns. It sounds like that kind of education. Might be necessary to sort of have the discernment be able to happen. Not just in the lab with the scientists. But by by the people that connect with them on the policy side is that a proper nut shelling of where you're going just wanna make sure I'm capsulated things or acting in the other aspect is you know, the knowledge about the tools that are being used. So that if someone is drawing conclusions based on what a machine learning algorithm is telling them or a statistical analysis technique is telling them they should know enough about those techniques to understand the appropriate. Use LA kind of data sets will this give you a viable answer at reliable answer. And what what sorts of data set? Should we not be using these techniques on what are the strengths of each of these algorithms people program algorithms, which means of you know, the algorithms have shown to have certain biases, which are reflection of the people who are. In the data about people that that were were using. So yeah, I think that that probably we have to be careful about what we you've probably read about the on. The algorithms are being used to sort through applications for jobs in the technical field yet for sure using artificial intelligence algorithms to do that. But what they found was this some of these algorithms were biased against underrepresented populations minorities. And that's because the data has those prejudices as well because humans have been behaving in that way for a long time. So we've imbue the data is well, the el-gharib with these prejudices that we have to have to be very careful about people need to be knowledgeable that the algorithm is not in oracle. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Yes. So general bits of understanding chance. Like like, if you think it's the oracle than you take for granted. It's answers instead of. Being able to give it the critique that may be all research should be able to get before we make firm decisions from government level. A good point that you make this is the foundation of the scientific method that you develop hypotheses looking at the transit UC, and then you tested out using well-designed study. And then you publish the results in the rest of the community is supposed to be questioning those results. Yes. Yes. That study having that discussion. Yes. Okay. Got into yet. Sounds like that's if we need to be able to have at least the conceptual understandings to begin that questioning. Lest we basically take whatever is given from the data scientists as if it's, you know, the scroll of the adoption priests from from which is the word of God. And you know, be able to continue that that question. And as you had brought up, you know, there's all sorts of questions about the data. We're using the train things. Sometimes this human bias coming in. Sometimes there might just be Faxon patterns in the world that we don't like, you know, I can imagine. In a circumstance for hiring scenario where I I don't know we can pick a random role. Let's say it's a sales job. Let's say it's a customer support job or whatever where by some weird pattern over the course of thousands of employees men, just in general are not as good at the bad at like the job, you know, like writ large from from all the data. Nobody like imbued that in their nobody had some anti man feeling that they really felt deep in their heart. But the machine just said this is the darn pattern on making the call in our their entire categories like gender that we just don't even wanna feed a machine because even if it's right? It's so socially detestable that we don't even want to do it. And it feels like all of those conversations I still need to be figured out that feels like a real rat's nest to me, it's the resonance, but the need to begin to ask the questions. Maybe we do put the data end when we'd come horrified. What we see is the result. Go back to the human beings and say, what have you been doing out here all this time in how can you? How can we consult with the experts in you know, psychology sociology and so on to make this better end. So yeah. To general education level needs to lift that that seems to be a salient point from you here. I I guess let me ask you this. As a next one you've worked on a number of these projects just talk of open ended about maybe some of the projects that you've thought were worthwhile endeavors for data science policy. Your range has been pretty wide one or a few snippets that will kind of give us a taste of where data science is beginning to wiggle. It's way into policy on where you folks are currently kind of a part of that conversation or have been in the past well in our state, the agencies are very interested in education workforce. For example, how you know what you do when students are in third or fourth grade may impact their outcomes in post secondary school and then. In what is the trajectory for for these students in the workforce? And that also brings in data from, you know, the health department in other words, if we noticed students are exposed to certain things in their environment. Or if they have their in health record, how does this affect you know, what happens as they go through school? And then in the workforce is well become, you know, working citizens of the state one that I noticed from. I think this is a really good example from Massachusetts group that looked at opiate addiction in this was not just looking at the data with regard to incarceration in a law enforcement. It was also had to do with health in other factors in this state. We reduce the I just read in the newspaper the overdose rate after incarceration by sixty percent by providing treatment for people. Released from prison. I mean, it's very simple analysis. But there are other things that we might be able to do because of health care. I have heard with from some of the healthcare providers in the state that the costs doesn't necessarily correlate a with the quality of healthcare. So what is it that the hospitals are doing that is providing a good quality healthcare with good outcomes? That's different from the other hospitals. It's not necessarily just spending a lot of money. Hiring more people are having, you know, better facilities in so on their babies some procedures that we need to look at. How do we tease that out? And. Yeah, going on. That's something on top of everyone's mind right now. Right. Yes. Let's just to put some collar on this. I think these are all good, and you can run with whichever when you want. But we know how does this look in real life? I guess I'm thinking to myself. Okay. Some government agency. Like, let's say the. The Environmental Protection Agency or something in Rhode Island where where you're based in where I was born in raised in says, hey, we need a group that can help us actually analyze this data and figure out what the effects of I don't know these past pollution policies have been or what the effects of these chemicals seem to have been long-term on these kinds of environments, and then than someone comes up with the funding, and then someone finds data sets. And then you guys get to work how all those pieces come together. So someone makes a decision we need to ground this in some kind of truth. What are the sequence of events that happened after that to get a group like yours to to actually start working on a project? Okay. Well in Rhode Island and in about twenty two other states in the union the federal government his funded. These linked data sets that come from the various agencies in the state, and so we had in Rhode Island date spark, which is now resides at the university of Rhode Island. They were funded by these federal awards. In order to cure data sets from the agencies with agreements the security is a big issue as well. When you're linking data sets in have information about individuals. But this group is funded by the various agencies with the questions that they have. There's another thing that we're trying to move forward to do that is to again, securing the data. So that individuals aren't identified or people have permission to do that to put the some of these data sets are make them accessible or data set similar to them to scholars in student. So that, you know, as the agencies of told us scholars and students sometimes have questions that we never even thought of, but we would benefit from, you know, having some these observations that could help us to drive policy. So we're working on trying to develop synthetic data sets which your data says that look very much like the actual data says, but a will not reveal identities of individuals. In allow this this sort of interaction on kind of citizen. Scientists thing accepted scientists and students where you know, you have so much data like the strana murs of done this for a long time. How can you get the data out there for people to look at to make discoveries that we might not have the workforce to do or maybe because we're looking at it a little differently. We can make discoveries that we wouldn't have made otherwise. So it's tricky with healthcare data in with agency data because you do have to protect that the of the individuals who Liam for whom the data is collected into. There's extra grieve analysis in the niches in some way, I guess presented in some sort of desired format to the group that asked for, you know, the kind of end product, I presume for the most part, whether it's a report or a new set of tables that they can explore tinker with what are the likely end products here. From these projects. So usually in our case, of course, is the whole pipeline of things have to happen data's collected has to be cleaned it has to be sampled in reasonable ways. So that the analysis tools that you use are going to give you kind of results that you need in in this particular group that we have in the state that is linked data sets cross the agencies if they want to ask questions in in that way. And so they, you know, have the privileges in, you know, ability to look at these data says in aggregate the data to answer the questions that are being made in. So they present the results in reports and in visualizations, and so on based on the questions that have been asked by the agencies, and that is what the agencies are able to use them to then have discussions about. Well, is there something concern here is this something that would drive policy? Are we're going the right direction with this particular policy as the outcome. You know, like with the incarcerated opiates ad is the, you know. This decision providing treatment post incarceration is this really working. And so can we continue in this direction as something else that we need to be doing the numbers down in the ways that we want them to be usually the question so far the questions of originating from the agencies where they have a question, and I I am so excited that I have heard at least through the grapevine that the legislature in our state has been telling us that they would like to make evidence based decisions and they want today information. So, you know, I think it's especially with what's happening state bringing companies that are hiring are technology workers than than working very hard at my institution in training more people in these areas looking at where the trends are where we need to train what we need to do to provide the companies the Watergate students in this area of artificial intelligence data science cyber security, you know. Computer, science many of these areas. So data is is used everywhere higher education uses it are we doing what we should be doing in the classroom, and as I mentioned healthcare in -cation transportation's another area. And of course, the the environment looking at the environment reclaiming vague quickly enough. So we can need those nice lovely voice tres that we now. Not that not everybody understands enough about a Rhode Island. But yeah, if you're if you're there, folks, you kinda have to do the food thing a little bit, you know, just a Rhode Island thing. I guess my takeaways here Joan just in interest of time, but kind of distilling what year saying here is what's coming to my mind is that it sounds as though there is this idea of kind of a general awakening to the fact that the data may hold patterns that can make us makes more allow us to make more informed decisions. Hopefully, better decisions fingers crossed. And that that policymakers are becoming aware this agencies are becoming aware of this. And these data sets are being created data spark at you, awry, and other organizations and other states are sort of coming together to sort of be these sources of, you know, very objective assessments on these topics. I guess the hope is that objectively can continue to be firm despite whoever ends up funding things, and that's the literacy around the ideas of data can be incr-. Creased? So that the critical conversation about these new products new kind of data reports data analyses can become a fruitful part of the conversation rather than some kind of new lore added in a mysterious way in I guess, you know, you're you're hoping certainly part of your efforts sounds like his making that education part of this this transition here. Absolutely. I mentioned too early. Don't want to repeat the history of statistics in which many people with Matt much knowledge about those tools were applying them to inappropriate data says in driving results at that. You know were harmful and not correct. You know, quantum consulting with the experts in the domain. I, you know, and so on so if there are no Oracle's audience there are no oracles in the Joan Joan can reinforced. Thank you so much for being to be here in shed light on the very unique use case of data science you folks working on I sincerely appreciate your insights. Thanks for being here. Thank you. 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Back to School: Spotlighting URI's Graduate School of Oceanography

Blue Economy Podcast

33:49 min | 4 months ago

Back to School: Spotlighting URI's Graduate School of Oceanography

"Hello and welcome to the blue economy. Podcasts presented by rhode island the ocean state. I'm your host david hirschmann and on this episode. We're talking douglas. Second marriage mission joining us. Dr paul up on seventy the new dean of the university of rhode island's residents flu shot just one of the world's premier ocean research institutions a key contributor to rhode island's emerging economy. Dr bon tempe has more than twenty five years of experience in biological oceanography most recently serving in a leadership role at ncis She's also herself and alumna of the. She sat down with us to talk about how the school's changed over the years and how it's preparing young talents entered. The workforce both in rhode island around the world's once again. You're listening to the blue economy. Podcasts if you wanna learn more about the program or catch up on step serves heads to our website at www dot com. Podcast dot com. Or you can always find us on facebook twitter arlington. Now here's our conversation. Dr content dr paul von tempe. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for having me sure. Of course i'm going to start a little bit with your professional background. I know you have twenty five years of experience by biological oceanographer and most recently served in leadership role in nasa earth science division. Can you tell me a little bit about kind of how you're diverse professional portfolio prepared you for religious. Oh yeah now it's a it's a great question you know. I started out in academia. And i never expected to be back in academia. But it's great to be back achier so especially Certainly coming from g. so. I went into my first tenure track faculty position and then september eleventh happened and my husband and i decided we. We didn't wanna live in different states anymore. And so we search for jobs that we both bound up in washington. Dc which is where my husband is from. and i never saw myself in a federal role. Either working for the government was not something i ever wanted and you know i didn't intend to stay eighteen years but eighteen years later i did In so the really nice thing about coming from academia and returning to academia passing through the government along the way that it gave me a chance to understand how federal appropriations happen how federal research objectives are set what that means for academia what that means for ngos what that means for the private sector and so on especially coming from a police like nasa And so coming back to academia and particularly gs. Oh you get to apply some of those skills. I learned. They're the flip side to that is. Academia has changed quite a bit into decades. So i have some things Neutral to learn. I think so i was gonna ask what do i guess what's changed or the same about gsa since you were there last time. I know it's a great question. So when i was here You know there were probably like one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty graduate students. They were all focused on masters and phd. Thesis research related type positions. And now i understand and just digging into the numbers. Recently that a lot of the students are in the master of oceanography program which gives you an advanced degree without writing a thesis and doing research associated with it. There's the blue mba. And at first. I was really taken aback by that. But you know what gio has done over. The years is taylor and revising evolve. It's academic programs to me. The growing needs the workforce right. It doesn't change the fact that i'd like to work with the faculty students and staff here to understand how we bring those numbers up. So what are the drivers of them. Staying low as federal funding Is it just are degree programs. Don't quite fit what's desired by students. These days you know. What are those drivers. And that is one of the objectives. I have of the next couple of months is to understand. Really how that playing field is changed in academia and more importantly what the students want to learn in rhode island and beyond so maybe some of the more exciting or interesting Projects you've been involved in the interim other even as a student at gs but also through nasa and receive some southern mississippi. Yeah i'm greek question so i mean coming from a place like nasa. The list is absolutely endless right. I mean that that was a once in a lifetime. Excuse me opportunity You know when. I was an jia so That was my back in the nineties That was my first foray into feel called marine bio optics Had come from really the polar opposite field vital plankton taxonomy and ecology. So i'm one hand. You sort of look in the water at the plankton and vital plankton manner there and on the other hand you look at it from space which somebody like me was like. Oh this never gonna work. This is all crap rate. This is impossible to physics. Aren't there how am i gonna look at and determine biologically. What's in the ocean from space when i can barely tell microscope and so you know That led me to a number of research projects and the application of different types of satellite data to a number of research questions during my time at ge so and of course this kind of work is also relevant to three fellowships. I did in my summers while gsa as a graduate student and people think this is really funny. But we say you know. I never thought this summer in rhode island i was always like off doing fellowship. And everybody's like oh great you know you spent the winter here. It was like nine months of grey. And then you took the best part and went somewhere else. But we're that led me was doing a research project to out in East sound in washington state which was absolutely beautiful for this summer We were looking at actually plankton and fighter plankton and how different layers Very thin layers in the ocean were created by different optical classes of organisms. So it was kind of fascinating because where you would say. Oh you know. The upper sunlit layer optically there are all these microscopic layers of different organisms and different qualities of the water as you dropped an instrument down to observe them. So so that was really like it dawned on you at least for me at that point that the ocean is vastly different than we had pictured it based on the technology that was available to us. Now that was in the nineties. Fast forward to nasa right and all of a sudden i'm involved in developing advanced instrumentation that fires lasers into the ocean to to penetrate deeper than we ever have in the ocean. And take a look at what's going on biologically and chemically in the ocean deeper than we ever were from space and had a finer scale. And you might say you know. Why should the tax payers care about that. You know i think that links to What we can tell is going on ecologically in the ocean and how it's responding to things like climate variability and change. It was a quite a big leap there. i would say and then there number other field projects That i was involved in. But i'll stop there for now will well. So we've been producing this podcast since kinda beginning of the year and we've talked more than a dozen the guests from every corner of the economy and basically just about everyone we talk to his pointed at as a perfect example of rhode island's leadership in lieu tech or the blue economy generally So maybe could you give us your point of view on jessica's and it's rule both in rhode island's academic community and kind of more broadly as a global leader for ocean racing education and research. Yeah no it's a good question now. Haven't been here in a while. But i can tell you. You know some of the ideas. I've just started to float with the faculty. Students and staff i mean gs so is absolutely one of the top oceanographic institutions in the world. So when they made the offer to to lead it you know. I was like oh my god. You know i felt how you feel the day that they give you your baby and put it in your arms and you go. Oh my god. I hope. I don't mess this up right. I mean it was really a tough decision for me and and you can take out the baby and put in the pet that whatever you know it just was like it was such a formative police for me as a person has a student and so i said okay. I want to do this right. I want to sit back and listen for the first for six months and figure out what's working before we come in and say well we need to change everything because it isn't working one of the things that really struck me and my first week was not only how they had evolved the academics. And we're thinking about the future even more but also in their research how it had evolved and on campus are all these affiliate institutions at the g and on the bay campus. That's dan everything from ocean exploration to economics. Okay what's in between. You might say okay so follow me on this one right you start out with exploration and that leads to discovery and from there that leads to basic research. Which is what a lot of the gsa faculty do from there. All of that information needs to be distilled in a way that managers and decision makers can use it. And you do that through applied research okay. That's a lot of what organizations like. Crc do it's not enough to just make the discovery these days to me. You know you have to actually do it in a way and package it in a way that decision makers policymakers and eventually others who are in government or otherwise can use that information and the public understand it and the last piece the economics right. What's the economic valuation of the investment in exploration discovery and research. And how does that pay us back and that is absolutely end to end on this. Campus along with really cool pieces like ocean engineering where they're doing technological innovation and developing the next generation instrumentation for looking in the ocean The engineers are here. The technologists are here. The model is the computer scientists on and they've got all those pieces which is really exciting. It what does i guess. Jesus colonel listenership ship with rhode island's a business community orca the blue economy business community. I guess are there enough professional opportunities in the local economy to keep telling to rhode island as people graduate. Move out of the system. It's a really good question. I can honestly say in my fourth week. I don't know the answer. I know that The crc issued a report on the blue economy earlier this year. I got a copy of it this week and i read it and it lays how some ideas. It does a couple of things very well. It looks at the status of the blue economy. The status of the blue economy in rhode island a nationwide and then points to where there are some advantages in partnership and moving sort of academics. And that feed the blue academy forward. And i found that really interesting. It seems like there was. If i remember the statistics in the report it was something like sixty. Nine percent of the rhode island economy comes from the ocean or the maritime field and that's pretty significant What's my question just like you ask. Is you know Are we training students in the field that you know is available to them or are available to them and what they wanna do Do the businesses feel like. We're turning out students that they can hire That goes from everything from defense to recreation freight So where are the sectors that we need to focus on and do we have our programs tailored specifically for meeting this. And i think gs oh certainly has the breadth of faculty and in staff that can connect our local businesses with gsa and vice versa. So that is definitely something. I wanna look into sooner rather than later cool So on serb slightly different topic You are in the process of route revitalizing. Its against a campus. And some brand. New brand new technology center a marine operations and then a new peer to accommodate the resolution What's the status on these efforts. What they mean for gsa going forward is that in order to accommodate or just to go deeper question so also you know we got the cliff notes version of this and have been reading furiously to understand that the status of things like the peer the new research vessel and of course the the master plan The latest report. That i have says that the peer you know is is designed bill. Put it out for competition soon and it will be completed in the late twenty two timeframe to accommodate the arrival of the new research vessel. These things may be slightly delayed due to covid. It's just a dot dot dot. I know the the world in the last six months and probably for the next six months is not going to be the world that we're used to so that timeline may shift a little bit in that happens in sort of big investments. It's really exciting. That they'll design a whole new peer and pump house. They'll bring the new ship in And they have secured as you know the first phase Bond for the the master plan in the ocean technology center on my understanding is the technology center will be focused largely on robotics which is really cool. I hope that enables us to have the staff and the ocean engineering faculty and staff collaborate in that building. I think what will come up next in a few years is the bond for face to and that will revitalize a lot of the campus bringing in a lot of new facilities that will speak to new scientific directions that the school wants to take new classrooms new facilities for seminars for engaging the public etc so it really is a true narragansett bay ocean classroom. I think that the state can be proud of and certainly it'd be an open campus. So what will stay with the the rv resolution also It's a two hundred foot ship. That quite literally serves as flooding research lab Now obviously we can spend hours talking about this ship alone but can you just of quickly touch on the value of this asset to the institution and guess what research capabilities doesn't have and we'll kind of project so you kind of planning for. Yeah no. it's it's good question so You know. I think one thing i can say about g. So is it's really unique in one way. It's like you come in you drive into the campus and you go down this beautiful hill. And there's the narragansett bay which the whole state the ocean state. It's just part of who and what people are here and then sitting right in front of it you know is the endeavor and soon to be the next research vessel right and so you know you just kind of go. Wow and there used to be this requirement. I actually don't even know if it exists anymore that every student had to go out on a research cruise and i know a lot of people used to fight this but going out on a research. Cruise is like this amazing exhilarating exhausting. You know. love hate thing if you get seasick right but you know there's nothing like going out on a research vessel being in the middle of the ocean or just nowhere near land and having this incredible floating facility to do your research and so it's one of three regional classes that's been invested in by the federal government by the tax payers It's exciting to have a state of the art facility be built that can do all sorts of In water types of experiments. it'll have a deck that'll be workable. So they'll they're always experiments going on on. The deck is in the ocean. It's got all sorts of cranes facilities and frames that will be able to deploy all sorts of advanced equipment. Everything biological physical chemical geological in the ocean Some we'll be focused on seabed. Mapping some we'll be focused on biological production in the upper layer in it will be related not only to regional waters But to global scientific problems. And i'm really excited for that to come online and i'm excited. I'm going to be here for that. So we're looking forward to it turning probably glad that we secured the name of our podcast early because it seems like the term blue economy is popping up more and more of these It's a catchy term. But the blue company compass kind of a wide range of moving pieces in different industries. I guess how would you define the blue konami an floe including your school. Yeah i mean this is a good question so in in coming from washington. Dc you know. The term blue economy has been around a really long time. And it's a good question to ask how it should be. You know defined because i think everybody would do it differently but to me it's You know the blue economy pertains to not just the ocean. But also the narragansett bay and inland coastal waters. Anything aquatic rate especially in the ocean state. There are a lot of people that depend on the ocean and surrounding waters for their livelihood whether that be defense trade recreation shipping aquaculture whether that's education whether that's Port maintenance any number of things out there and it touches all of our lives and so you know to me when i was at geo. We didn't think enough in my mind about the applied piece of our science and how it supports decision making policy and economics. We knew it was important. We could explain why that was scientifically but how many of those bits of basic research translated to blue economy that the public can understand in use that information to feed back to strengthening the blue economy or just the economy in general You know. I don't think we made that connection enough now. In twenty twenty. I don't think we can ignore it. i think it's really important to connect the academics the research of our institution with what's going on in the businesses and the public in the ocean state. I don't think that's the only thing we should do. But it should certainly should be a bigger investment in focus moving forward as the blue comet kind of continues to grow on level on are there any sitting industries or sectors that you see as major opportunities owns I mean obviously offshore wind in defense. Get a lot of notice within this stuff. Are there others that you can see expanding. I i absolutely think that rhode island has been a leader in offshore win defense. I mean i think you said it. Will i think other areas that are starting to pick up. Momentum is in looking at novel ways to execute aquaculture Facilities that are being. Set up on the land to sort of mimic what it would be like to do. Institute aquaculture and whether that can be transitioned I know that the gio stuff have also looked at things like water quality and how that impacts our blue economy and our businesses And that's really important because if you depend on narragansett bay for You know seawater that's going to be useful in your your business research or even tourism when you find out the wrong way that there's a problem with the quality of the water. It's just not a problem you wanna have and so g. So has some really long time series where they've been investing in monitoring aspects of narragansett bay and the surrounding oceans and coasts over time that can feed the blue economy and then they have the novel ideas like aquaculture facility. That's been set up on campus with federal. I'm sorry with industry partners That's you know probing experiments that can really be at the forefront of aquaculture as an industry. broaden that investment statewide nationwide There's obviously an increasing focus on climate change and how that affects the oceans. Are you seeing an increase in the number of students. That are interested. Our guests Kind of an increase in the number of students who are interested in oceanography in research as a result of kind of what's going on change so because of covid. I haven't really gotten a chance to engage with the students very thoroughly. Just yet get you know. I can't be on campus. And they can't be on campus to see each other to have a conversation but one of the conversations i actually had yesterday was thinking about how we could model our classes to not just be the core courses and some specialized courses but allow the students to provide some feedback as to the interdisciplinary multidisciplinary science classes. That they're interested in and one of the ones we talked about was tailoring. Either classes or faculty hires moving forward potentially on climate change in humans in some capacity. Because i agree i mean. Climate change is here. it is happening. We are trying to adapt to it. We were trying to Manage it while it's happening. And i feel like the ship has sailed on the observations piece. We know that we need continued. Observations to monitor climate variability and change and predict. What's going to happen. But we have to move into that management and adaptation piece on that regulation piece. I think that's absolutely critical in. Hopefully people understand that with that comes new opportunity right. This isn't necessarily sunsetting a complete business. Our way of life this is opening up partnerships and opportunity for evolving traditional businesses because of the impact are having on our home planet. And it's something that we can invest in from federal down to local levels. You touched on this a little bit before but I guess how does the ocean facing research community interact with the ocean facing business community and is there are a lot of overlap Folks working to protect the oceans as well and do research in chart the oceans as well as those looking to make a profit in. How do you bridge that gap. Yeah it's a good question. So i'm aware of some partnerships going on between gsa faculty ocean engineering faculty and a business partner right specifically for things that you mentioned like aquaculture like tourism. Okay and trying to keep profits going at the same time that You know the the world is changing and so That's one of the things i think could be very valuable in evolving our academics. Right which would be. What if our next higher with somebody like a resource economist. Raise somebody who's familiar with the blue economy who wants to come in and actually work with the faculty students and staff on. How do we economically value the research that we're undertaking and what does that mean in the long run For business in rhode island. How do we understand our business partners. And how do we make sure that the research were doing is relevant to them and feeds back to them and it's a really good question. I don't have a brilliant answer right now. But i think it's definitely an area that the that jia so is uniquely poised to Address and i think the new facilities coming online between the ship and some of the campus revitalization. I think we will have in house facilities to help address that as well. We'll senator sheldon whitehouse Who's been on the on the program. Minnesota editions advocate often system. We know more about the dark side of the moon that we know that our oceans at the ocean floor. You spent your entire career in this arena. How much progress have we made on the exploration front. And what he what. He's maybe the next big discovery on the radar. The next big thing Capable it both finding. That's a fun question so yeah it's got multiple parts. I think the the ocean is absolutely vast and sometimes getting down deep with instrumentation to explore it to to map it to understand what's down. There is not so easy. There's a limited number of research vessels limited number of ways of mapping the sea floor even imaging it capability wise. That can be used for this. That are constantly oversubscribed looking elsewhere. I think there's a tremendous amount of opportunity there. I mean it's it's in our very nature to explore you. Just people are just naturally curious and you can flip the channels at home. And if there's a special on that's lou exploring some new ocean. Wrexham new ocean seafloor the deepest parts of the ocean. You know you can't stop yourself from watching it. 'cause you're like oh my god that person's can get in that vehicle and go down there. That's crazy you know So i i think there are a tremendous discoveries that are you know going to be made by just looking deep. Be even closer to the surface though i can say like when you think about the zone or the twilight zone Especially in a time of climate variability and change. our oceans are constantly in motion. They're constantly changing in response to a changing system on different things going on in higher up in the water then they were traditionally just because of those changes and so we're constantly discovering new things and scientists have to sit back and ask themselves. Were these things always there. These the violent the chemical The chemistry of the upper sorry. I'm trying not to use jargon that we're looking at the biogeochemical cycling the carbon cycling. That's going on is it. Is it all there. And we just were able to discover it to just get lucky at the right time or is there actual change going on and this is why constant sampling and imaging and exploration becomes important because it allows us to see sort of a baseline of what our oceans are like. And i've always said at nasa like the most unsexy thing to sell is time series because people say oh god you guys are going out. You're just same. Observations over and over and over but if we have that baseline just like when you go to the doctor. Every year for a physical we can understand when why real change or when real change is happening and actually do something to help regulate or manage that problem or the impacts of it and that's important so discoveries. i think are going to happen every day. I think as we get to More capable ships more capable and just the capacity to stay out longer and go to really complicated areas to sample. I think this is going to open up whole new discoveries for the next generation of explorers and scientists a My my last question would suit up western as you. Do you have like a thirty second elevator. Pitch for the future of a the gsa and or an elevator pitch for the future rhode islanders leader. Blue okay wow put me right on the spot okay. So if i were going to say what. I see next for jia so you. So i limit. Let me just preface this by saying Early next year. I'd like to undertake some strategic planning with the gsa community and all of our partners on campus. It's time to think about taking advantage of all of our assets all the tax payer investments here on this campus to connect ocean exploration with economics to make this campus which is rhode island's ocean classroom available accessible and understandable by all of the people out there So i'd like to see us. Push the the grounds of exploration. I'd like to see us come up. With new discoveries and research topics that are disciplinary and interdisciplinary that speak to a revolving earth system I think there is a huge opportunity to take every piece of what we do at gs oh and connected to oceans across the solar system as agencies like nasa and other space agencies worldwide. Start to explore Where there's been water where there's Potential for things like liquid methane the moons of jupiter. There is the potential for us to use our expertise to help those communities in the planetary sciences. Understand what they see and vice versa. All of that becomes absolutely central to innovation and investment for new businesses existing businesses in new directions. And that's how we that's how we evolve is a species and that's how we keep on competitive in business worldwide so generally speaking gsa pretty exclusive institution And how many applications do you receive an annual annual basis. How do you go to find talent. And i guess are there specific parts of the country of the world that the schools focused on the great questions. So i don't know the answer to how many applications we receive each year. But i can tell you that. We had a record year this year in admitting thirty. One new students my understanding and four of them from indonesia One of the things. I absolutely loved doing at nasa is. I did a lot of travel. And the reason that was important is because it allowed me to reach out to academic and other space agency partners as well as many many other in industry and otherwise make those connections and see where their investments were all over the world and one of the most recent trips. I did in. October was all over southeast asia from loud cambodia and you know there were fascinating parallels between what come different countries were working on delta and it struck me you know there are amazing scientific parallels between how we manage and how we sampled an arrogance at bay. And you start to ask yourself. Are there things we could learn from a strategic partnership between University rhode island the graduate school of oceanography and some of these partners worldwide working on the same scientific problems in many ways and so there is this cross fertilization. That could be very valuable. One of the things. I'm really interested in doing is beginning in fiscal year. Twenty two perhaps converting some of the money we get from the state To work in more applied science areas for targeted Like graduate student fellowships for under represented groups to bring people in who might not have had the opportunity to apply to a program like jia so and retain them right to educate them accordingly to have them bring their experience and expertise and have jia so educate them and then perhaps somewhere down the line expand that to some sort of partnership internationally with another a academic institution or maybe even many somewhere down the line in europe or south asia To do exchange of students there in personnel because bring that expertise from another country or city or or placed like narragansett bay to rhode island brings in that expertise and also allows us to have an exchange of ideas with those people that benefit our businesses so expanding our capability in state. I and then eventually internationally is one of the things i definitely want to do. Thanks for listening to the blue county. Podcasts presented by rhode island steve. Thanks for joining us. We hope rate review program on apple. Podcasts google podcasts. Spotify learn more just tension our website at. Www zoo comedy podcasts. Dot com or find us on twitter feed beautiful providence rhode island's. Thanks for listening.

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Whats on the menu at the National Advocacy Dinner?

PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

09:25 min | 1 year ago

Whats on the menu at the National Advocacy Dinner?

"Hello ended welcome to a special edition of PT Pine Cast National Advocacy Dinners. You've probably seen people talking about them online. Hashtag and well the team here at PT. Pine cast knew a little bit about what National Advocacy Dinners? Were I mean the word advocacy is in the title? Then there's the dinner who doesn't like dinner but we wanted to look a little defer at the ingredients that make up these events and cooked just before this year's event which will be served this Saturday may ninth at seven. Pm Eastern are. We done with the food. Puns yet even close here is your national advocacy dinner appetizer. So the national oxy dinner student led initiative wear schools host these dinners and they talk about advocacy. We have a presentation that we've given schools and they present about what's going on and advocacy how they can get involved in hands. Why Agassi is so important for the future? Pt Profession. That's Laura Keeble. She's a roots and political affairs specialist at the American Physical Therapy Association. I say it's an opportunity to have those conversations about amnesty with professors with conditions with local. Legislators with anyone that you can get there and it's just about learning what obviously is what's it's important and how we can be involved and that is Erin sales. She's a PT student at the University of Rhode Island and the chair of the Advocacy Project Committee who organizes national advocacy dinners all around the country. Kind of paints the picture. How do these dinners go? Is there a format? Is it a lot of conversation a little bit of presentation or simple? It's really up to the people that are organizing it in how they've done it before what they. WanNa do now. We get a powerpoint presentation from a PTA. Staff that outlines all the national efforts that are happening currently and then you can kind of go from there with however you. WanNa do it. You can present that powerpoint which we highly suggest you can add your own better happening locally any type of advocacy efforts and then as far as who presents it can be anyone as your local state chapters president your cheap delegate state legislator whoever you like that could talk about advocacy so now we know what they are in a little bit about how they run when you're there what's the big y behind them. Really what are the goals of the dinner is to empower the people show up to then go out and advocate themselves to show them advocacy? Is something that everyone can do with our voices raise together. We powerful force as a P. T. Community and that getting started early. I was student at shows how important it is to advocate for the profession in taking little babies. So if you're not comfortable. Outright meeting with a member of Congress sending a letter only takes three minutes from from her legislative actions on our on eighteen website. Who can continue to build your advocacy involvement in that leads to so many people getting involved in getting our message to Capitol Hill because members of Congress. They WanNa hear from constituents because if we're not the ones advocating for PT profession. Who is we are the ones that are out there storming health so we have to raise our voice so far? It sounds pretty appetizing. We're getting together breaking bread to see what we should be advocating about and how we can do it now. National Advocacy dinners are usually held at restaurants. Remember when we used to go to those but because we're living in a covert world were forced like many meetings to go virtual this year the national advocacy dinner will be held by platforms like zoom or in the case of the event this Saturday via the AP as Student Assembly facebook page. You can find link to attend that in the show notes episode. Why should someone go? Because advocacy is important for all of us. We're all going to be a physical therapists or physical therapist assistants and we need to make sure that we can give our patients the services that they need advocacy. We've gotten to where we are now and how we will continue to grow in the future. The virtual off-season Earth going to have some great fears on how the President Sharon done we're going to have RPG pack representatives even Norman Lindsay. Dolan will be talking about RPG. Pack which is a Political Action Committee of ABT A in why that is super important in great advocate. They are information they hear so much about this. And they'll be answer questions as well so if you're attending a national advocacy dinner. What can you expect to be served? What's on the menu cautioned especially now with the crisis going on? We're working to get some of our visions and they come in these package. We have a great hollow. Hush that we're doing. We also push our National Health Service Corps legislation as a student loan repayment program. That would bring. Pt's to rural and underserved area has to practice. In their sue loans repaid good will help alleviate the opioid crisis by putting peas in rural and underserved areas that are particularly hard-hit coming to continue to push through. Congress all right so now that we know what's on the menu for the National Advocacy Dinners. Let's take a quick break before we come back with desert. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Arias medical staffing without them. We wouldn't have a podcast if you're thinking about moving about the country in all different settings to provide great care where it's really needed right now. Arias medical staffing well. They can connect you. They have positions in all settings in all fifty states right now in some areas. That really need you. So check out what's available at a U. R. E. US MEDICAL DOT COM. That's a U. R. E. U. S. Medical Dot Com the leaders and travel and now more than ever. We need great care where it's most needed so visit them at a U. R. US medical dot Com all right back to the episode. Now we've had our main course looking at what a national advocacy dinner is. We wanted to season it with some insight for a pair of students who were going to their first dinner or coming back for seconds this year. We told you the food. Puns weren't done yet. Many means need newman. I am finishing my first year at Pacific. University in Oregon. Why should someone will show up? Why should a student take part in this? If they're listening right now what's going to push him over? The edge feeling really inspired and motivated to remember why started the I p school especially is so many classes and a lot of being and it was really cool to have a night to talk about PT. That wasn't about exams and studying but really just people being super excited about the percussion and wanting to get more involved in making even better. And that's really why we all started and so I felt like it was really good to remember my why and why started and this. Is Alex Henderson? A third year student at Washington University in St Louis telling other students why he thinks they should attend this year's virtual national advocacy dinner. It's GONNA be awesome. We're going to get Sharon down on the call. We're GONNA have a lot of big names in the profession or are going to be able to tell you what's going on a national level but you know in the future if you have any idea your local university or within your city region at say go and just see what it's about in they just want to have a conversation with you and tell you what's going on and maybe try to get you involved so if you're looking for something outside of the classroom. I think it's a great way to get involved in a real impact. So that's your three course meal on the Abtei's national advocacy dinners. This year served up a little bit different. I guess they're like Grub hub and delivered right to your computer screens on demand but fear desert. We wanted to leave you with this thought. Abtei will turn a hundred years old next year and the only way we've progressed from the first president. Mary McMillan to today's master. Chef and leader share done is by doing to staple things uniting as a profession with a membership and speaking up in unison. About what we think is important and that's advocacy tweeting and posting about issues is one thing but actually putting those thoughts into action is different. And that's the important step. So if you want to see things change in your professions future maybe you should order a pizza put on your best formal attire from the waist up and log in to see how you can change it will be on the menu for your profession in years to come we'll see you at the national advocacy dinner this Saturday for PT podcast. I'm your host physical therapist. Jimmy Mackay this episode was CO PRODUCED BY JULIA DANGER. A third year student at. At Still University and Bridget Nolan a first year student at Sacred Heart University. Don't forget the details about this year's national advocacy. Dinner can be found in the show notes of this episode. Thanks for listening.

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S2E7: How I Became a Concert Lighting Designer with Jeff Maker

The New School with Christine Hong

41:14 min | 1 year ago

S2E7: How I Became a Concert Lighting Designer with Jeff Maker

"Live concerts to see. The audience reacts to something that you'd along the artists that they paid to see to make them feel awkward. The blind spot in there is for two songs mindful of that. Anything can go wrong. Everything can go right. You're there in the moment with people that are there to see the artists when you see audience. Look at what he worked hard on with an artist, and then they're enjoying it as much as you are. It's very satisfying if I see a show and I feel like I. Did a good job, okay? Okay, I can still do this. That I'm GonNa keep doing this in the every time you do something I feel like you fall in love with job so. Doing it for fourteen years now, so I I still follow that every day I do it. School. This is the new school with your host Christine. Welcome to a new kind of school where we talk about career paths. You don't normally get to hear about in the classroom. Every episode I talked to someone with an interesting life path and learn about how they got to where they are today. Hey is happy Monday I'm your host Christina? Hong and we got such a cool guest for you today. He's been working as a touring lighting designer for concerts. The pass fourteen years in has worked with some really big groups like good Charlotte. all-time low dropkick Murphys, my Boston's yellowcard girls end click five, and that's just name a few of them. He's a nominee for one day top honors in St, the designer of the year at Cornell. Awards today on the show. We Got Jeff May. Hi thanks for having me. And so excited to have you today by the way I've collected many questions from other friends really interested in what you do Lord. Talk Today I WANNA cover high starring in lighting design, and you're able to make it your fulltime career, and like what the day is like for the different kinds of lighting designers out there and any advice you have out there for other aspiring lighting designers Jeff. How did you start your interest? In leading by interest in leading was by accident by work with local bands in Connecticut deciding website said. For them, and when I would go to the shows that I would book for them. Obviously, they were kind of treated like local bands, not really was done with the lighting, so just kind of asked local house lighting guys at the time for these local menus. There were small huge, if I'd be okay if I got behind the board and. Kinda mash the buttons and just made. It looks like some what's happening and most of the time. Wasn't anybody doing that job? But some of these small venues just kind of like lights on in the sound guy would do the audio side of things, so they let me go back there venues, just kind of started working around, and then what it moved to Boston and started working as far back at the Paradise Rock Club, and then the house leading guy was like you do. I've tried like. Real I was like for real, so he kind of just took matters wing and trained me. That's where basically started lead sue your very first time you kind of asked about. How old were you at the time? Probably Nineteen Okay Cool Seger in college, and were you just really interesting working with a concert? Or why did you ask to to help out I? Think at the. The time I really didn't know what I wanted to do. I was going to college for Psychology at the University of Rhode, island was going to transfer. It wasn't really excited about psychology after going through college was amazing, posing for me so I took a lot of time to spend at home and I just Kinda WanNa be a part something bigger at the time and stakes. Being in the music industry is felt drawn to it and the time it took off between the University of Rhode Island, and Transferring College Boston discovered really immersed in the INS and outs the music industry. Just looking up things online to do things to make websites out of book shows contacts. Get the radio when radio really was a heavy hitting thing back in the early two thousands late ninety S, and to try to learn as much as I could. About something I knew nothing about and the more more I did it. The more I fell in love with it so website kind of site. bookie thought it was just. It's all about the lighting now, and that's kind of. We're starting to look back as far as that goes other positions as you try in the music industry, you're saying, but came booking agent, but it was like regional. I didn't one US tour that I just did it on my own for a local band I never went on the road that was challenging. Just looking for shows thing we did go called gig swapping where a lot of local artists throughout the country that put a tour together so this artists would put maybe the western side of the US that are artists book the West Coast and then I would vote these coast altogether we'd. We'd be able to put together tour with us. Three bands that would be in these markets, and then the local bands would headline their markets with tours of the shows they put together each help. Elevate the other band, just trying to get that going as nearly two thousand eighties record labels radio stations at a hold on a lot of artists and local. It was hard for him to break through by space was the biggest thing at the time. It really wasn't utilized to what potential it could have been a little tougher on that side for them, so people can show on website. Design was another. That I still kind of dabble in now. Lighting just kind of became the focus because I joined the most out of all of it, yeah, did you enjoy so much? Helping an artist bring their music to life writing process. I don't know what every artist goes through so I don't know exactly the message that they have during the process, but after the process I tried to make sure I bring their vision. Flight is best as I can, so I can make the message that they wanted to convey us. There live audience and sometimes I try to put my own twist on it as well just A. Certain way that I think may be little. More epic in certain ways and trying to help bring their music to life. Awesome! Do you mainly work with artists and bands, or do you ever work from Dj's digit used to when I first started out. After I left the Paradise Rock Club to a different venue called access still Boston no longer, but it was in Boston, and they gave me mound venue after I was the backup Party Guy at the Paradise and at the club access would do concerts mini daytime at nighttime deejay night, so they do like Edm Hip hop, rb techno whatever John was light it as well right after concert. So that's the closest. Thing I've had to a DJ although I have done a couple of shows with Kaido and so that's the biggest ones I've ever done, but I've only done a couples. The main guy for right now is my buddy. Jo Salt I was doing a couple of shows before Joel became the man because he is amazing. You tell me why you like lighting so much, but was moment. You're like this, is it? This is my career. It was probably two thousand six when I got my first tour to his tour in Europe with the Dresden dolls so I got to be on a tour bus overseas and I shared. It was a festival in France and I was scared nervous. I thought I knew are abundant. When you get there when you get into the mix of things, there was a lot still to learn. When I was there looking around at being like this is what I wanna do I think this is. I read somewhere. I knew gliding career, but wasn't sure with. No, no, no I did get mono when I was at the University of Rhode Island. That's what made me take a leave of absence, and during that time is when I just kind of became a designer and is caught myself in front of a computer in is learn as much as I can about everything I could in the downtown Seattle related to exactly what's happening. This is very similar circumstances where a lot of people are kind of like forced to be in. What spotlight on ided the house. I just. Learned as much as Having. Trying to do now. No I agree with being stuck in one spot. It's when I had to go home for the holidays for two weeks is actually when I got down on my podcast. Opposite filing launched it because I do not at all before. Yeah, and I feel like it's going to quarantine right now. It's going to benefit everywhere. All come back hopefully. Come back. Better everything that we think that we want to be better or things that we were doing before quarantine. We're better at it when we come back. Vaccine. You're lying in career. I was curious. Are there different niches leading her hunters? You narrow down. which issue wanted to do a lot of which isn't lighting I trying to do the ball I know it's not exactly the norm, not saying that I'm like anything special I, just need to know everything. There is to know about something through a lot of different. Different departments lighting designer. You have a director. You have a program for the lighting crew chief texts to so many different people on that s maclean I like doing it all like knowing it all, but I can't do what I do without a team like that in place for the bigger shows like some shows, you have to kind of been like three hats. When it comes to letting road, your team makes it. The final product and you can't do it alone. Even if you try sometimes yeah, could you explain what each of those roles do in how you decide the role you wanted to? Sure will designer. You're designing the entire show director there to make sure everything is looking perfect programmer programs your council for you. Your Tech sets up everything you're. Tech sets up. Everything upstaged ordinance the local crew to make sure your rigorous up safely weekly properly is also taken video while as a separate departments is well, even though it's all visual, so there's a lot of people that were a lot different hats to make the show come together. I try to do designing and programming something about being in control of everything. If there's GonNa be a mistake I wanNA. Make sure it's my faults. I don't like reliable people, and if they make a mistake like well. I rotate responsibly for mistake and feel helpless. When someone else does I also try not to make mistakes, but when that does happen, I wrote tip responsibility so like programming in designing I think I just found a nice middle ground for both of them to be what I do, and do you mostly WanNa? Stay with doing artists and bands are like what about other genres of lighting is their team founders live shows what else is out there. Live shows would be amazing like the ultimate transition from touring world. Mentally or physically can no longer do it or take the travel at love to do like Saturday night. Live lighting for you know their live performances any late night show live performances stuff like that would be amazing where I can keep the live concert by going, but it's for television. I can stay in one spot, but still be involved in industry early like. That would be great to do that. Different genres though I feel like I've been grouped into the UPROXX pop punk drummer the Dresden. Dolls are Punk Rock Cabaret. So that's kind of the most unique genre I think I've ever had the opportunity to light. And other than that. It's a lot of straight up rock music, some metal, but of pop rock, so it kind of matches the music genres. mainly. Yes, it also I think the more and more that I worked with a particular artist inna genre. Other artists in that John will be okay. They can let this particular talk music. They can probably do this. What we want to try them with our music so I think when you're gonNA genre this for all lighting designers are L. Dis, but sometimes you get kind of tight cast, but you're kind of in that genre, and if you like it, you stick with it and if you want to do other things, hopefully, it's the opportunity to do that as well just like any other artists out there doing exactly. You're up for the challenge I. Mean Do you have? Music gives different genres of music. Live. Television shows like Saturday night live. Is there any other types of experiences or shows that letting designers I can only speak for myself when it comes to what's interesting to me? I mean there's so many people that work on a film. Just one film miss. Sony, people go with lighting or just creating a fake crackling fire place you know, and that's really happening stuff that you learn maybe natural lighting, but you see that film just takes another life forms I really say whatever genre in whatever. Whatever aspect of light that you find most interesting? If you're into the business, stick with it. If you find something you like I was doing this for one minute and I'm like Oh. This looks a lot more fun. Maybe just go do that, but there's so many different pockets of light. You do that so many different choices. Yeah, it's so interesting. I work in the music industry, and then you got into lighting percents lighting first so you prefer live concerts live. Better live concerts I feel like they're better for me. Personally just to see the audience reacts to maybe something that you along with the artists that they paid to see obviously there to see the artists, and you're only there to add to their experience. Not Take away from it or you WANNA be distracting. You want to make them feel awkward. With applied spot in there is for like two songs mindful of that, but that also includes just how anything can go wrong. Everything can go right. You're there in the moment with people that are there to see the artist and it's just kind of like. I want to say like you feel like a proud parent, but you see like an audience. Look at what you worked hard on with artists, and then they're enjoying it as much as you are. It's very satisfying, and you feel a little fulfilled I do during that part of the whole experience I'm satisfied with good show, if I see a good show, and I feel like I did a good job, my okay. Okay. I can still do that all right. This is great I'm GonNa. Keep doing this every time they do. Something feel you fall more more lebowitz job so doing it for fourteen years now so I I still follow it every day. I do it awesome, and actually always wondered with a live audience. How much leading is interactive with audiences, reaction versus generated was when you run into time coding sometimes the song has. Has Certain moments in you know. The time code will do that for you since you preprogramed in, but there are some times when artists will be like you know at that bar of their looks really fun to walk. I'M GONNA. Go Walk on that day, and you don't have spotlight over there. You know if they're going to do it, so you just going to be ready to do stuff lives, so they're called. Or moles blinders that kind of out the entire audience for the call to action like abandoned clapping, and you start cutting back or shopped each back all that stuff, so it's like you see that happening. You put the blinders of so that the artists conceive a call to action, and so the people at the audience can see the artist react. They're looking at that person are like you can see third reaction. To get that interaction so lighting the audience up I think it's very important certain times, but not too much than just turns into a warehouse, so you're talking about in college. How that's when you really start focusing the art of leading. But how did you transition into? Making it your career all for college. I didn't go to school for my career. I feel bad saying that like the way of thinking, but went to school for television video didn't take any lighting courses in college until after I got back from first couple of tours so I was still taking college didn't know for sure if I'd be able to make it in the business, so I was like I gotta stick with College Cool Mabel the. The tour and do this, but I'm not sure if this is going to be you know sustainable, but I was like you know what mature lighting class, anyway, 'cause like I was second to know like that side of the everything, so I took a theater in clashes to see what I can use from that for the live concert world. It's so cool you were touring in College. Did you have misclass- because of at her had that word? I tell everybody I. M, super duper extreme senior, I took a leave of absence by senior year of college tour, two thousand six, and I never went back so I. Justify the time I spent Sarah as if I was going to school for lighting and look. Up during the career that college, for yeah, he's a class, yeah! Correct you went on Tour and you're just GONNA. Keep going on tour. Basically. Yeah, as long as they kept on, getting asked back to her, two thousand, six to two, thousand, eight was very sporadic, and touring for makes it was still starting out and then two thousand, eight, hundred nine, when all time low asked me to tour with them, so I've done maybe four tours. It'd be five. Prior to all time low term with a but I felt like I was still learning, but they gave me a chance to show them when I can do and after the first tour. They asked me to stay on as their L. D. in them. Still, your was autom- lawyer for big break. Yes, bought also don't want to take away from the fact of how much the Dresden dolls and the band the click five did for me prior to all-time low, bringing me on so also definitely as changed my life in the most amazing way possible, and yes, they will be the biggest tours and the biggest opportunities. So, that's definitely number one awesome. Do you think there's certain cities more leading designers are in our is a kind of all over absolutely I would say. Nashville is a hub for a lot abilities. Las Vegas is as well and New, York City and La so I think you have your big pockets. They're by no a lot of friends of minor based in Nashville in La. Based on the kind lending wine. Country Context Your Nashville. You'd think so, but it's just that Nashville is. We're all US companies are mostly based out of a lot of production companies that are based in Nashville. You had a lot of rehearsals. Basis based on natural because it is such a big music city. It just evolved into this thing where. Basically up abusive, not just country, but it's everything now is become like the Capitol Music I industry goes, but I have a lot of friends in Las Vegas to that are doing amazing things and l.. A. Obviously has ob at York City. Almost, you're just never going to go away. All the live shows that why did you choose Boston up like I said College, and I love I fell in love with the city at when I tour. I was able to keep a job working at local venues here so I still can work at the Paradise Club that still club that's open, but only work at the House of Blues now, which were used, so they tore that building downright used to be the leading guy, and then they built a building. There S for House of loses. Now is right down the street from my apartment. Apartment, so it's Kinda easy to just go into work on the to go and win. Concerts were still a thing. It just kind of worked out great, so I could leave for tour. Come take some time off and needed to reduce them. Burke go work at the venues in them when I'm done with that SCO. Back onto her. It's clear just kept working in a you eventually just were able to live off time. JUST BILINGUAL GIGS, yeah! I did know where exactly what is going on on. The snowball kept role. Mike Fall. That's just BEC-. I know Comedians like to perform local clubs like try newer riskier material versus like a big tour. Do you feel the same way? I think the bigger budgets you get with different artists. You can get different fixtures at do crazy new things. There's new fixtures coming out every year at golden age of lighting. Because every year there's new products. There's new things there's so many new things happening. The technology is just off the charts with what we're able to do now so like a kid. Kid in a candy store. Every year is a conference on. They got now like what are they doing? Now do this while he does that. Okay? Great, and you just kind of get involved and he's like okay. You don't try that new product if we can afford it the budget great idea for and then you kind of do it. Then that's were. renderings of your designs, your virtual image of what looked like like what time coding at home I do time code I could see what it looks like. Visualize earlier and see what this book like live as close as you can't get to live, obviously not going to be perfect, so you have you as much you can't before the show and you like okay like it could look a little different so I feel like you look at different products in you're try new things just based on budgets. Are you giving creative small budgets? Budgets you know you can go to home depot or something together. I have a few friends that just would go. Home Depot makes her own awesome to lights, and they would be like cheap, but they would look fantastic, so it really depends sometimes you can blame a budget for not being able to get you, but UCLA people be like. Yeah, but you know you can make anything you wanted. If you have the time in the Dr, what's your favorite cheap product for like amateurs in your favorite leg, expensive bigger professor product. G. Product in forest tubes reserve. J. Fragile. You're right, and you put them in a certain orientation on stage, and they're great. There was an artist called mute mass that I saw for the first time when I was at access at. It's been burned in my brain I. Still See to this day. That's the first time ever thought that was ever, but in my mind Mike. He, took just took a whole. Bunch of harassment lasted amazing. Show My. Favorite new trendy extensive product. Biased but everything that robey is doing right now with their profile movers, and their led washes is amazing. Products called the spiner and a tarantula, and those are just they're led's and you can do so many amazing visual effects with them, so you can create. Very dynamic environments they can start from staged gets thrown into a building like four blocks away would still make it. You know stuff like that. I mean those are good for Rina's. You want to do it small clubs, but I have to say roby products for share with. Them. The curve out a lot of things, so they see what what like a conference at their headquarters in Florida, they'll invite a bunch of designers, a lot of industry people down to see what new products are going to be debuting, and then they'll have AB- side-by-side. It showed them show us what? The beep looks like compared to a product of similar from different companies, so they'll do a shootout with all products. They'll invite us down. They'll ask us what we are looking for a product. That's not vented yet, so they listened to the LDC's and they know what we're looking for that. We don't have yet, and they know what we like. Their company that I feel like listens to these a lot than most densely smart. What do you usually want to go to techniques that you prefer a signature? Move a real. Difference speak from my process on that so I listen to the artist's music nonstop to a point where no of music mix it into my ears for a while the settlers in order basically make notes when I think transition, because what mood would be set what color temperature all that would make sense make a bunch of notes on that. It'd be like okay. Where do I? See the light of design in their album artwork toward Y, C, artistic. Branding that they want to do because every album cycle basically comes with its own branding, so you kind of want to echo that in the live show, so that's where the video content links in with the album words. Sometimes, the designed looks very similar to the artwork. If you take the nineteen seventy five for example, their production has always fantastic, and they have that Nice frame. Frame on albums they have that live as well. It just translate to take out the on small scale. Then you go there and it's just their album just blown up. In Mex- kind of Ivan you just feel like you're in the album and I think that's kind of the goal of every Al. D. is to bring the audience into the album. Live as best as you can I. think that's where go with it. I just kind of go down the rabbit hole of their music message. They're trying to convey in You work backwards from the artists and what Message Jones? Yes, basically I think so I'm simply song has its own personality so every song as if they're a different person, and I look at it also as maybe a video game levels every songs, a different level of video games in the boss is the reaction. You're trying to get a reaction out of the crowd. Was the artist diva favourite show you designed for? The tie between Wembley arena that I did with all time low and the design I did immediately following that for moving video diamonds that we did in the UK following that show. About them I was basically an full control of the design like every aspect whether it being when live video would happen on the diamond video walls that would be moving the entire lighting design to certain aspects of the show where I was able to control most of its. Most particularly proud of With Day to day like for a typical lighting designer. On tour, ready or great question as bigger during your design process islands here both actually day to day for design process. I feel like you treated more as an artist because you're not going to be like. Okay, I'm GonNa sit here just like. Do it. I feel like that's. That's like nearly I think when you get to that point where you sit there when you have already gone through your notes when you have all your time, coating culas ready to go, and that's what you just like. Sit Down and you're already have the potatoes study discussed. Serve it up on the console, but I think when you're as fire. Just listening to music, you get a certain type of day, God forbid you find a place to get inspiration to put torch yard for him and I try to apply to lighting. And sometimes I'll get inspired sometimes. I will just kind of go with when you get inspired. And then tour. It's very much like clockwork. You Get up early you to your daily routine before you get off the bus. Venue. Your truck. It really depends on the size of the tourists. Sometimes I have a bunch of lighting techs, and we have a lot of crew and sometimes. I don't have to do some things that I might have to on different tours, but you get up. Make sure ears getting. deuce yourself to local L. D. or crew chief, for whoever introduce yourself to the rig setup with yourself. You like texts, local crew production manager. Try to everyone at safely as possible correctly as possible and as efficient possible, and hopefully with a kind heart as well so you're not screaming head off people just because you know people get short fuses sometimes, so you try to be calm, collected kind and get the lighting up as soon as possible. Opt your positions on the console at from house. Make sure everything's perfect. They're open doors on time. Take some time for myself to maybe take a Napkin food I'd never eaten to left on programming it. Maybe I'll try to take my time if I'M GONNA. City I haven't been to before, I'll try to get out and explore it as much as I can. If it's in a city that in the south spoiled especially during quarantine of into like ten times, I may just take time to note hammock and be like okay. Maybe today's go out sightseeing. Take time for yourself you know and. And enjoy the city just for what it is instead of just being a tourist after that dinner. Go do your show at the end verse what you did in the morning. You know loaded out. Get it on the truck down the bus I. Love My alone time is to watch a movie in the bus so like when the buses required Alex. lounge watching movies just copy just chill. Reset your brain and repeat the morning. That's all I think that makes you a self aware of how to be balanced I for one when I'm traveling. Try Way too hard to like. Do Everything and I'm just burnt out after among Jews or something. Like. That either as well you know sometimes you gotTa Pedal to the metal and get out there. Because if you don't you move onto the rather play next time, and then we're at a situation like this and we don't know what next time it's going to be, so you're enjoying those times. Look back at nine took time or hey, it's cool thing I did. Get up and go out that one time or it's like man. That's really nice to relax in the city. Just enjoy it. Yeah. I know most of the lighting's pre-programme, but have you ever had a big fiasco during show? Of course, yeah, a long lights are preprogrammed. I personally do even marriage half-and-half. I do a lot of my stuff live. As well, just because I feel like I'm not bored, but I feel like I'm not doing as much as I could be doing with its time CONAN opposite lot or is happening when you're, it's time. A lot more things, but I like to be busy house. I'd like to make sure you know I'm involved in some weight. I'm not just sitting back and just. This looks good. You know like to be involved a little bit, and that's not taking away from anybody who love to go I. Think it's every. How they feel uncomfortable, they are front of House and now comfortable their their message, so I think every day is unique and I think every esther system, and I think it really depends on the person. Yeah. What was the biggest fiasco Does you corrected? Kabuki malfunctions happen. A lot of Kabuki is a drape that comes down in front of the artist for the go on, so it kind of heights everything that's going on, so you can see silhouettes through it, so it's a big cloth. It's give you the be black white. Whatever color logo some people put projection video onto it so that when the band starts to like build up, Buki drops in. It reveals everything, but there's so much that can go wrong with this little release clamps. That are still annoyed. If they don't release, it gets stuck doesn't release the whole Kabuki just kind of. Hangs there, and if it's not releasing it just dangling in front of the audience of the artist ended. Do so Chris Griffin when my lighting techs on a Uso tour that happened during one of our shows, he climbed up in the middle like at the beginning of the show on the front trust over out crowd outside. The wind was Kinda swinging up there so you end up, did all right front of everybody heart racing form the entire time because I was nervous. Is this thing GonNa fall play. Everything is safe when everything works out after. The malfunction happens, and everything is fine, and everybody says you're like okay, then you can breathe easier, but in the moment definitely freaking out I've had lights malfunctioned before. Sometimes lights will not cooperate sometimes bulb, blow and it moving light sometimes I'll reset sometimes. We'll get errors I mean that happens. Every show just rolled the bunches, and that's I think we'll help you. Do it live. Is You have your finger on the button and you interface as ready to go if anything goes wrong? How many tears of backups you have? I mean whatever we could afford. We have a bunch of backups. I mean really depends mean. Normally you'll get. Maybe four of each particular fixture was wrong for like maybe a five week tour, and you'll have some lighting techs who are just super whiz kids when it comes to take him apart from that together and fix anything so sometimes they need maybe one or two backups, and they can fix the one you have. Sometimes. The problem is just happens to four different lines. If you go through all your four backups in, it really depends. On how you said you appreciate differently depending on artists so. For a band like all time, low versus completely Kyko. How do you change us? Our design approach like or the big changes you do something as simple as a student of music you, how big changes artists in the Jarrah and then you see how they wanna be it and that's what you do and I mean it's two different genres. Medium is totally different. I'm although Kinda so versatile. He does more just your typical. Is Outrageous -sition to how he does. His music is a totally different way than all time low does so amid job is you're gonNA adjust your lighting to tempos and moods that they both great I can Kogyo is more strobe, heavy, fast shutters or movements more blackouts I think because there's more drops in media music, and there's a lot more buildups media music to bills will last longer there will be more bills until the drop happens for idiom or you know. to Kreil jets, fire fires, or any special effects would fire very common in idiom shows, so there's a lot of candy coating on idiom shows versus a full bad, because the one guy with a lot of stuff surrounding that particular artists to make it look like is going on i. feel like, and that's just how it isn't. It's not a dig. It does Ron at all. Just have one. Maybe two people of their. You really. GonNa make it entertaining the audience as well and I feel like with. Artists full band like all time low. Yes, you do have to do things that go along with music and backfire what they're trying to do, but obviously there's more guys up there to. Do More. How does it feel when it? Goes from just a concepts. The experience I know you're designing it on paper you making notes but like. How do traditions of actual show? Yeah, trial and error really see what works what doesn't work, and maybe your idea doesn't exactly translate taught. Would you WanNa know and you think you know and sometimes you try it out like well. That didn't work the way I thought it would. For this particular thing, which was view renderings you tested out at home or in a studio and you see what works before you present the final designed to the artist, and once you know exactly what you want in your activists, you want from certain fixtures replacements of the fixtures. You take it to the they love it and you're like okay, you feel. Validate. Feel like okay made the right decisions. Decisions and they like what I didn't just take care of your time with it. You'll find something that works. It's a faith career. Do you think your representative of the typical lighting designer don't know. I don't know everybody's individual journey. I'm sure there is more official ways to get into the business. took starting off with local bands at the more and more that happened the business that oranmore comment I. See Similarities to maybe my story of how I got business. Everybody's different in a lot of his oops. I'm in the business and I love it. You know and people to stick with it, so I WANNA say that mine is typical. Don't think anybody is story is typical. In, the business say. What is your favorite and least human thing that the job favorites? Seeing the world and being paid to do it with a bunch of great people. The worst part about it is being away from the people you love and once in a while. Counter really bitter local crew. It had a bad day the day before you get there and sometimes they. Take it out on you. Love to increase Chila to increase competing little better to it to some local crews, so it works both breasts. How much time of the year is on tour versus not on tour? Typical year busy year would probably be a tonight. Months Outta the year not in a row, but it would be spaced out throughout the entire year with about maybe a month off in between two weeks off here and. And there maybe a week off, there's been times and kind of mentioned before is Hollick of times I'll take a tour with only two days off in between and I asked myself. Why did I this and then I start getting into it? I start doing the tour of my top of it, so you get to a point at might burning the candle at both ends up wearning myself out completely. I think the balance is not doing that at not souring yourself on the business, so you start eighty something. You love so much for so long. How did he bounced that? Just like taking breaks, you take a break sometimes some personal time because everybody needs it. Sometimes, it seems to me like Yes yes, yes, say yes, to everything you get some type. She's gotTa take a moment's gala. For money, go camping the summer. You take those times and when you're doing those things you take the time we like. It just means so much you get away from it, and then you recharge your batteries, and then you're able to go back in I think it's important to take time for yourself. I think that's the most important balance surprised when you were nominated for lighting designers, year of Cornelius absolutely didn't expect that all and the people colleagues I was how made with? I saw the list of babysitters people I looked up to and I would say I didn't belong and. Honored to be side by side with them, but deep down I knew that I. Don't think I was ready at all to get the big one that at the time I was like this is for me. I think this is thing I can achieve being extra my peers. Category Never Dreamt of being involved in and I know it's Cliche to say it's just an honor to be nominated honor to be with those people, but it really was motivated me to be as good as them or tried to be awesome. Do you feel like you're living your dream job? Yeah, absolutely if I were to have a dream job after this. Would, probably be voice, acting or maybe acting in some way being involved in film in some way, even if spine this insight la behind the scenes. That's where I got comfortable doing music, so if I'm behind the camera that's great, but yeah. Being involved in film. I think would be the next dream job if I were to have another after this. Family Ready, dot Jimmy Kimmel has really good lighting actually was wondering why they're letting so good incorporates the actual live aspect into his show for his artistry brings onto. He basically hasn't outdoor set up for like a mini festival. Fourth artists comes here so you see it on TV, and when you see it live, you feel like you're at show or seeing a show. Like the format for mostly I chose. Is? Our Band inner studio. And you have a live audience, but it's also very obviously there studio, but I feel like. It doesn't great way of taking you out of a studio at putting you in the front seat whether at home for a concert I feel like that's the difference between him and anybody else in late I right now that's something. I think podcasts on Youtube. Don't really concentrate on yet. It's a very standard lighting. Now this the way to the Times right now this virus and with scorn teens and soft openings. Nothing's ever going to be normal, or it won't be normal for a very long time, so I feel like people are kind of navigating. What could be their new normal when it comes to industry or when it comes to podcasts film TV are. All in the process of learning. What could potentially be the next normal guess I'm wondering how your workers changing Corinthian. Imagine it lie. Is there other types of work you're getting now? We're all just kind of waiting to see what happens. You know I live music is concerned. I think there are some people that are evolving and trying to adapt right now. There are a lot of people doing extremes like, but they're doing like. Let's talk about the business. Let's talk about what are you doing or what other people have been doing? Some people are doing the blight broadcasts DJ's full lighting setups in full, which is pretty cool. I think we're all learning. I'm early learning. Some writing right now and just keeping up with lighting as best as I can. Mild Council hit. My apartment saw his program for fun. up as much as you can to make sure. The day feels different his yeezy to get in that Rut of. Retentive days. Yeah, perfect time is new things. Maybe we'll have you back when you're screenwriter. What's the most difficult decision you've had to make to fulfill your destiny I think you sacrifice friends and family unfortunately that you've had. For a long time, and as soon as you start typing full headfirst first into the business, you don't want to leave your friends and family behind, but you're never home. It's tough to keep those relationships personally to my best I. Can Tell you right now I know. I can do better a lot of that aspect, but I feel like this cartoon is giving me opportunity to do that I feel like that's the biggest sacrifice you'll make. You gotTA. Make sure it's worth. DETROIT? There's biggest mistake you've made in your career probably early on in my career when I may be thought. I knew more than it did. And I think that helped motivate me to know more about everything. Trying to do everything because I want to know everything I can, and I didn't. Like not knowing I think early on in my career. Maybe I thought I knew more. Progress in it learn, you don't know much so I think the all sense of confidence that I came in was something I worked on and trying to get better at that and I. think that was probably the biggest thing. What's the best thing you think he did for your career? I. Involved in a career didn't expect to be involved in, and it's changed my life for the better. Always happy doing the job I mean I may have a bad day. Everybody has bad days. You know when you're doing it, but when you boil it down, you're doing something you love, and sometimes your stay it's. Not that bad to also lastly I'm wondering if there's any advice, you give others Checkout laying kind of curious about it and figure out. It has the right career for them. Basic the same advice to anybody who asks if they want to me about this, but I saved. You're trying to get the business. The best way to start is to work at your mobile rock or music venues. 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237  Research and Advocacy: What About Boys?

Ending Human Trafficking Podcast

25:45 min | 7 months ago

237 Research and Advocacy: What About Boys?

"You're listening to the indian human trafficking. Podcast this is episode number two thirty seven research and advocacy what about boys produced by innovate learning maximizing human potential. Welcome to the indian human trafficking. Podcast my name. Is dave stove back. And my name is sandy. Morgan and this is the show where we empower you to study the issues. Be voice and make a difference in ending human trafficking. This is going to be a wonderful follow up to our last conversation with krista. I'm so glad today to welcome glen miles to our show. Glenn is an independent researcher of valuator and trainer. He has pioneered three ngos in cambodia. His research mostly focuses on listening to the voices of survivors of sex trafficking with a special concern for men and boys this year. He has helped complete an evaluation of the chop. Die longitudinal butterfly project. Glenn were so glad to welcome to the show and here. I'm very glad to be here. Glenn and i have known each other for a long time and during covid. We had a chance to connect more often. He lives in wales. I live in california. But our virtual space has been an opportunity to build our anti-trafficking community. And he's been really instrumental in that. So thank you so much glen. I want want to dive right into your special concern for men and boys my very first encounter with the commercially sexually. Exploited child was as a night nurse in central california and the little boy was only fourteen years old. And so i followed your work especially closely. Why boys yeah. That's that's a really good question When i did my phd research. We found that boys were sexually abused much more than than we had expected. And so i was interested to follow that through and so as things emerged and develop with looking at sexual expectation. I wanted also to look how much poisoned men were being sexually exploited as well and in in cambodia. There was at the time everyone was saying. Oh it's not really a problem of his boys and men. It's just not happening here. So i was well not really convince i need. I need to know for sure myself. So i had been to india and in india there was a guy that called jasmina toco and he was a guy who was working with boys in the slum areas and when he was doing. Hov education with them. He realized just how much these boys were exposed to being sexually exploited and i think it really came home to him when one of the boys called him in in the night and said that he'd been brutally rate so then he followed that up and ended up getting himself really quite involved in what was going on there so i had kind of helped him to explode doing some research there in mumbai in india and so i invited him to come to cambodia. I said could you come and just have a look and see what's happening and i really appreciate if you could help us to identify areas where boys might be being exploited and then we can do some research here so he then did come to cambodia and within a week he'd exposed a number of different places where there were things going on so i was shocked to be honest. You know i've been working in this spacer a job race and looking at issues around trafficking and yet you know in the city i been working. I really had no idea about what was going on. So we're very grateful for this man's impact and support and we then we ended up starting to do a series of research projects. Not only in cambodia to in thailand and the philippines came with my colleague jarrett davis so since then we've got a number of these studies publishing and really what we're trying to do is to demonstrate that boys vulnerable. And you know frankly what's happened is that we've we've got a situation even within the trafficking community gaza seen as vulnerable and boys a as trauma and they can handle it. But it's just not true boys out very vulnerable to. That's not to say that we don't provide them with a voice but we do need to think about how we can support them and how we can really provide them with the care that they need. How so glenn. One of the things. I love about you and i really should have started. A little notepad is how many times you say the word research. And i especially want my students that are listening to this to understand the role of research and advocacy. Because often we try to look for the most salacious story an anecdotal story. That doesn't look like what most stories look like to get people's attention and it may actually inadvertently reduce people's awareness of what's happening right in front of them. Can you link research too strong advocacy for us absolutely. Yeah i mean honestly. Just think about it when you're dealing with governments when you're dealing with the un when you're dealing with international ngos you need to have evidence to prove that what you're saying as go back to it. So for example. In chiang mai in thailand i worked within an organization that could up international in doing research with a been lights now urban lights specifically is working with boys and when we first started working with them i contacted them and told them my particular concern for boys and they were so thrilled that some somebody was interested to frankly and i said okay. Let's really look at what the problem is. So we we basically did some mapping and then we look at where there were boys in that city being exploited then we did research in those areas so they had noticed that they were boys in the bars who were selling themselves to tori but there was a lot more going on so we identified that we then presented the research to the to the wider community. We presented their research with the input of the support of the local university. We invited the press to come along to hear the presentation and there was a lot of energy and excitement because this was the first time that said this really had been exposed The way that we did it was we were on the platform alongside practitioners. Who had been working with the boys and so when it came to give the questions to both the practitioners would be working with the boys and us as researchers said of course working with people is a valid valid type of research in itself that you know having is together really gave it strength and so though we were very positive about the results of that and we felt like we've been strong advocates for boys in that in that context that is so powerful and it really amplifies the reach in that context so in our last episode with krista. We talked about writing. And you are also a prolific writer. We looked at a couple of the books that you co authored and edited and a recent chapter in a new book. That was really taken from your stopping the traffic and in that you address access of youth to pornography in tackling demand. So tell me what you think. The most important takeaways are from that article especially in regard to young people. Yeah i mean. I think it's another one of these. Areas is kind of garlic a bit neglected. I think that people often think well you know. What can we do. The kids got the phones. They've got access to him. So but i think that's really unhelpful. Way of looking at it. I think you know we believe that children can be responsible and that's a to inform them about some of the dangers and the challenges of of poem i've actually been voted in developing a toolkit codes. Www youth against pool dot org and what. It does educates youth and young people about the dangers of pool. And just it's not. It's not so moral. don't do that. Not boy auto saying this is going to be challenging and if it has become a problem whereas where you feel like you're really pulled into and it's become a bit addictive. There are ways itching. Get out of it so with support. I think so. Let me let me stop you for a second. Because there's just made me think of one of the illustrations in the article. That made me sit. You used an illustration that we've heard a million times. Dad walks into the room sees. His son is watching pornography. Lipid and dad walks in to his daughter's room All my boss. Tell me how that ended up in that article. Yeah well i think when it comes to go we always think oh you know is not really going to be a problem with girls and so i think when manner see their daughters in voting that they can't quite believe this is going to happen. You know they can't believe that they can possibly be attracted to pull in the same way that voice. Can you know. I think also still. We still haven't got head around the idea that women can be abuses to and sometimes people say to me. Well yeah but boys is not so. It's not as common as girls is it. Well yeah okay. We know it's probably not as common although we think we know. But that mean that you just ignore it. And it's the same with no graffiti that is because it's not such a big problem with girls it doesn't mean that you ignore it and and i think the challenges that with with all of these things is that we've kind of got stuck on these stereotypes of what a boy should be like ago. Should be like and it's not helpful. And i think that there in there's increasing evidence now in research that women teachers in particular Abusing boys in their care. And we need to rather than saying. Oh that phrase that you used before boys will be boys and you know Is good for him. Fees managed to screw is featured about a. It's not like that. You've got a power differential between women adult teacher and boy and you know he may be very confused about what's going on and he although he may say that he's consented then he may not have done and even if he dave as we know anybody under the age of eighteen. It still considered to be abused so we need to take these things seriously. And i can think of if i think one thing. That's helpful is to think now if this was a man teacher then what would our attitude would it be any different and of course often. The is very different. So i think we need to confront those Those wrong situations and what. I'm understanding now that we've been in this co- semi lockdown Spending so much time online. And i get calls this week. I got a call and the it was a twelve year old and how to what do we do. So i think this chapter about the access of youth to pornography is really you in the chapter. You have some discussion questions. And the first one i would love to hear from you about is what are the particular harms that can happen to children who watch porn and howard. These compounded by age. Yeah well i mean we know we know that the evidence of neurobiology on the way poom works is it. It's like a drug and so the more that you look the more that you want to look at it and also there's a phenomena where if you're looking at something today then tomorrow you want to look at something that's more salacious and more titillating and more interesting so then you quickly find yourself getting into more and more izaak and violent types of pornography so you know then there's many challenges of course because children's their their brains more malleable. Ya and i think that the brain of children is to s- absorbing information and i think that they're not really able to process it in the same way as adult so for adults are i. Think children of and oh. This is a way that i can learn about how to do sakes well. Nobody is not about sex. is about self gratification. And so they're already learning the wrong way and you know i'm starting to talk to more and more adults who have looked at pornography from when they were chosen and by the time they're adults. It's become a very serious problem. They're desperate to to get rid of it in their lives because it's just ruining the way that they have any kind of relationship and i think you know there are things like for example the way the boys you know. They're now looking at themselves in the mirror and you will on hunger on muscular enough. Oh my a big enough decor and then the girls you know. They wanting happy abreast and and then they starting to think well. Maybe i need cosmetic surgery when even eighteen this is this is ridiculous so we can't. We countered that. How do we make sure our kids are protected. You know i. I think that we need to get another fee. Needs to be a topic. That's talked about in schools and churches and home. We can't always guarantee that things are gonna be talked about in home we might think. Oh i know. Sometimes as christians we feel like well it's got to be in the home because that's where but you know some kids don't have that kind of home support environment and not you know. I think that we need to be looking at children needs to be advertising critically with the teachers and saying this isn't this isn't real life. This is just somebody trying to get you to spend more money and you know pornography is another form of that so i do think that sometimes what we underestimate how children can analyze and they can be challenged. You know. they're not they're not stupid. Basically xactly exactly and by giving them opportunities to exercise their critical thinking will help them discriminate between things that are harmful and things that are not true not true. Oh my goodness. I know that you and i could talk for two hours because we've actually done that but i don't want to finish this podcast without talking about the butterfly project. Warren has been on the podcast and mentioned it and she mentioned you several months ago so tell us the significance of the butterfly project. Okay so the butterfly long. It's you know. Research project is a project of one hundred twenty eight survivors of sex trafficking in cambodia that were in fourteen different after care programs including shelters and community programs and so it's been following their stories and listening to their voices for the last ten years which is an extraordinary achievement. Actually when you think about it these are some of the most vulnerable people on the planet and yet you know somehow we've been able to maintain contact with them as they've gone through the progams s. They've gone out into the community it's included girls and boys is included cambodian and ethnic vietnamese and most of the programs were christian faith based organization so back also has implications as well but as far as we know. I think there is another longitudinal project. That's county going but this is the only one of its kind. It's been ten years and it's the only one of its kind any existence so we're currently in the process of processing a lot of the darsur as you can imagine. We've been doing it as we make between going along a now. We're actually hoping to get eight articles in the journal. Dignity which is comes out to the university of rhode island and others would be in a special edition which is really exciting so the lookout indignity for a special edition on the butterfly project. That's very cool. And why is a longitudinal. Study so much more superior. Yes well if you think of the normal cross sectional study as study that's taken it just gives us snapshots of time site most of the research that we do. We only have time to to just look at one particular time and one particular place and so. We're kind of making a lot of shins just based on that kind of creep snapshot but with a long achieve no research project you're developing a relationship with people in a whole different way. Of course the relationship itself you could say patting the results. A what we found in this study is that the relationship actually enhance the results. Because people felt they could trust the researchers. And because it's being done over a period of time then you have different ways of looking at things you cannot some. What do you think will happen. And then you can cannot explain what happened when you look back on so for example one of the questions. What one of the things that we awesome was when they look back on that time in the shelter. Did they feel. They were being coerced into attending christian events. You know and honestly we will. We offset question. We really weren't show what was going to be but mostly it was very postive. They know that nah that didn't happen. We've never felt that we were being pushed into it. We had choice to be as whether we could do. It will not which actually is really reassuring said when you're doing evaluation of a program for example if you at the end of the program if you say to people was that i'm generally at the end of the program people are gonna say. Oh yeah that was. That was fine just because they kind of fair like bio two or whatever. But if you if you doing it several years after something's happened then you're gonna get a much more robust response on a. I think you know all round. It's very. I think the information we've got you know. I think we're going to be looking at it for many years. Really and saying that's really good stuff. Glenn you have influenced me a great deal over the years with your research on boys but also with your approach to research as a primary tool in addressing human trafficking. I'm not sure you're aware but our state department office. To monitor and combat human trafficking launched a huge study on prevalence that is global and a great very highly developed. Research team was recruited. And i'm excited about that. Because research really aligns with my goals the mantra on this podcast is studied the issues. Be of voice. Make a difference and we extend that to explain that. If you don't study you may likely say the wrong thing and possibly even do harm and so if you're speaking to my first year research class how can you advise them on how to identify an article as research based or just a great story f. It crushed him. Yeah well research really needs to be done carefully. Where where your fister. Mathematically looking at the shoe and looking at it from different perspectives. So if people if you. I think one of the challenges in the movement the abolition movement is that we terrible about with these stories you know. Sometimes store is they really don't represent trafficking to and is much better for us to have good solid information where we've asked key people. We've asked the survivors themselves. What they thank him. I'm very keen on listening to the survivors. Voices because i believe they're expensive there on experience so if you compulsively get that whether they're survivors now or whether they can look back on their experiences survivors. Then i think that that's a really strong way of understanding the context. Fool them so. Glenn there's just so many things your bio goes on for pages and pages your see b. What would be the best resources for our listeners to interact with to learn more about the years of research that you've done okay. Well i'm really happy to share a matt something. I've never been someone who's hiding. I think one of the things i don't like about some research is that they're very protective over them material. Because they feel you know they could influence if somebody steals it then that could influence their career. I just want to get the information out there for people to use it so oh. My research is available on my website. Www g. m. miles dot co dot u. k. And then yeah. I mean that would be the the key place for it and that that's got information about other both training and research materials. Yeah so last question. What would you do differently in twenty twenty that you know now that you would have done when you first started the luda grace chin. Yeah that's a really good question. I think i value the voices of survivors. More than i did. When i first started. I you know i think when you when you start seeing you felt that you understand it you feel like it's the people who care is the advocates who have got really know things we're actually honestly. I do think that the voice of survivors remain to be heard. That's really outstanding. And we are being very intentional about bringing more survivor voices to the ending human trafficking. Podcast and glenn. I feel kinda like oh. I invited my teacher to to do an interview in so of his. A little bit starstruck today but i really value your input into the community at large but also in mentoring me personally and so i appreciate you and wanna thank you so much for giving us your time today. Thank you very much sandra. I appreciate you to sandy and gone. Thank you so much for this conversation. Sandy just another example of how much we're all working together in partnership how much raw learning from each other Glenn thank you so much for your working. We hope that you will take a few moments listening to this conversation to also up online and ten vested some of the resources that came out of this conversation only This one but also past conversations. You can do that by going over to ending human trafficking dot org. If you haven't already. I also would invite you to take the first step by downloading a free copy of sandy's book the five things. You must know a quick start guide and deep human trafficking. It'll give you the five critical things sandy as identified in her work. You should know before you join. The fight against traffic access is at ending human trafficking dot org also their information about the ending anti human trafficking certificate program and more information of course about the global center for women of justice here at vancouver university. All those details at ending human trafficking dot. Org will see back or next conversation in two weeks. Thanks sandy thanks dave.

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Imagine: Leverage Abilities. Access Better Solutions.

Health Hats, the Podcast

41:47 min | 1 year ago

Imagine: Leverage Abilities. Access Better Solutions.

"Welcome to health hats learning on the journey towards best health. I'm Danny. Van Lewin two legged SIS gender old white man's privileged living in a food oasis. Who can afford many hats? And knows a little bit about a lot of health care. And a lot about very little. Most people wear hats wanted to time, but I wear them all at once. We will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life's realities. In the awesome circus of healthcare, let's make some sense of all of this. Greetings the background music as John Lennon's imagine played by the Interplay Company Band a nonprofit music organization, a sixty seven adult musicians with and without cognitive and other differences. They rehearse at strathmore hall in Rockville Maryland. Readers be sure to have a listen. Brings happy tears to my eyes. An action in community, stoke my fires. A counterweight to multiple sclerosis and fatigue. Producing this episode renewed my awareness of and gratefulness for connection and community in my life. Family. Connections music connections communities of podcasters. Patient care advocates decision support experts, leadership's storytelling and marketing mastermind groups. And a book club. These connections in communities nurture me. Feed me. And draw me in. The networks also need care and feeding by me to sustain now. I contribute and accept energy. I both lead and follow in these connections and communities. I met Emily Zoo. Cardi L. One such community Akimbo. Emily is the CEO and founder of hype. Designing advertising opportunities through authentic voice based technologies. And Director of growth for play local. Dot Com. Improving parks and recreation departments infrastructure for the inclusion of all users. Emily partnered with Adriana Malagasy to create the nonprofit cork labs. We'll hear more about court labs in a moment. Adriana is founder and CEO of Puffins, innovations, assistive technology that fits itself to the user. And my expressions, a clothing line for wheelchair users Adriana is on the boards. Of Seventy thirty partners and Easter Seals Massachusetts. And the founder of my empowerment, disability services consultation. Let's hear from this dynamic duo. Good Morning Ladies Adriana and Emily. Thank you so much for joining me. This is really exciting. I mostly really excited about the octopus. That's court labs logo, so we're going to have to make sure we talk about that. But why don't we start with? A grant. How do you introduce yourself when you're? Out and about. It depends on the supply. You know. If I'm at a networking event. Four founders. Than I introduced myself and. I'm the founder of. Often in agents. And described is. But. You know now. We're GONNA hurt labs as well so I take. CO-FOUNDER WITH! A few other founders of other start ups, okay. Long and emily. How do you introduce yourself? You know I'm in a similar position to Adriana I would say most of the time I introduce myself as the founder of holler height. CAITRIONA said I'll get into a bit about why we exist out there for folks, but ever since about a year ago, Adrian and I started working on for labs I I also make sure to mention that especially with folks that are passionate about inclusive technology or the nonprofits face. So what was your most recent social event? Now that we're in this quarantine? Stay at home business, Emily. When was your last was the last time you were out at a? Group! Oh I'll in a group I was thinking out. Of the House. No, no, I think. I was I was thinking of I had a long conversation with the cashier other day at a Canadian sewer. The highlight of the week. I would say before that it had to have been venture cafe. Is probably one of the most recent social events that venture one of their Thursday night social events. Try Make It over there in Cambridge about once a month. That was probably. That's probably the last time I was at a social event. And how `Bout you a? District call. District call lost in at the. I actually saw. I feels like so long ago I. was like two months ago three months ago three months ago now three minutes. So. How'd you guys meet? It was very random. You're both at this event that. And we both went event with certain idea of. What the events linked to be. Doubt And we thought the focus. Was On female entrepreneurs. And we quickly learned that that was not just. Emily. That's actually exactly what happened so yeah. We met at a wayfair networking event it was for. Female developers, young female developers looking for internships, but the funny thing was they had another event for female founders. I think like just a day apart, so both Adrian I thought we were going to female founders event we were at. This is development event. A mutual friend of ours actually heard both of us talking about like going to the way events for you know went female entrepreneurs, so he mentioned to both of us like. Hey, you might meet my friend Adriana there and to Adrian I. K might be my friend emily there, so we were kind of on the lookout for each other. As Adrian mentioned, we were both at the wrong event. That's that's pretty random. Hat be found each other and we had. We had so much to talk about mainly because everybody else was there for a different reason. For both founders technology companies. But not necessarily the technologists. So we got to talking Abou Our mission and you know folks that we both knew the space I think out you know at one point. There was an investor in the community who Adrian new pretty well. Who's WHO's had met once before as well so we started this conversation knots when? We didn't know it was going to be called quirk labs, but that's the first time Adriaan started talking about to me right because. Time aiding her, but she had said I'm just starting to talk about this idea. Of this nonprofit that I'm interested in really caught we. We just had so many things to talk about. I wanted to learn more about her issue to learn more about mine. And then there's this common interest for this nonprofit idea that she had and I i. don't even know how long we were talking. Yeah! This Alexa. Let's walk through a couple of those so Adriana so puffins innovations, yes, assistive technology that fits itself to the. Music to my ears so. How did you get to? Setting puffins innovations? So, it started back in twenty sixteen. I. SUBMITTED THIS IDEA Might has on. And so my idea. Was One of. His Team Were chosen to participate in this. And so at the hacker probably had ten hours. To try to create. Some sort of working virgin of our ideas. And we didn't intend hours. We did it works. And it worked. For the judges, we ended up winning place. And that was the birth of the puffing. Yeah and zoo. We got a lot of press. As time and you've been you know that they were students. Is had the bond is? Right used by student run by students and all the. You know hackers. Are Students. You know it was a little difficult to continue on we. Be. They kind of continued randomly at. Because we were asked. To present the no different. Things, but of course just like any other student. They moved on. How fast forward to twenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen twenty. I partnered up with the longtime friends. Began applying to. Grants and programs like mass challenged. and Rice spring of twenty seventeen. We received a grant from the. And we got into Mass Allen at the same time. And so that's what really allowed us. To get to the point where we are today. Yeah, so, what was the? What was the winning project? At the. Yeah so it was a puffing. Puff. Wireless now operate the joystick. That connected Cell Phone. Connected to my computer as well and so that was something I wanted. Really liked time because. When I not in like Howard share. Power chairs basically. I caught like Manson. because I can control everything so. That I need to control would like lighten draw. Sickly when I'm in my this. It's not in his care. And I, recall. On someone else for. And so this is why I had this idea I had. When I travel a typically travel overseas. Typically bring my little chair. which then I have access to nothing? I can't control. Especially lose. Were all kind of tied. Law, our mobile devices and I. Don't only use it for the team, but I use it to keep in touch. To read books. I guess. Entertainment to yes, I mean it's not just all. Little cat videos are limping like. You. It's more practice. You don't actually look like a video kind of Gal. I really not okay. But Yeah? You know in the I if I'm traveling I would like to have often. In pictures turns as well just like everyone else, right. And so you do all that with that with the technology exactly okay. So. How about Holler hype? How did that get going? So, Holler, hype is real time. Boys Base Connection Platform. These days often describing it as right voice right time. If you want to support somebody who's pursuing a challenge, and you don't know how to connect with them at the right time during that moment, Holler, hype would be solution for you or for the person that's acting challenge. My personal background is I ran track at the University of Rhode Island, did he was? It was an amazing experience to really great team very supportive team. Everybody's parents were involved. They went to all the meats I personally have a lot of great memories. Going Races Porty my teammates, but I spent probably more time being injured and I did. Actually racing actually I didn't know that that is true. which want itself to to some great life lessons, but what I realized going through this roller coaster being injured. Is that not really not just about the time? It's getting back out there. My Dad would he's like a superhero data that will come to every single race is sometimes. I was embarrassed because like you know I'm just getting back on my feet you all the way here. This is gonNA. Be Terrible. He always had that. Mantra of like this this. When you need me, the boasts so i. You Know I. Don't WanNa make this too long of a story, but I didn't know what the solution was. What I did understand was. Support needs to be more accessible his. What happens when people can't be there for the moments that really matter? In, fast forward. Now like eight years after s really when the seeds were planted like okay support matters, motivation matters context matters. Going back to what I mentioned about like. It's not about time. It's about a moment where you and someone that supports you. Stand your goal in now Holler, hype is an emotional support utility where we did start out in the running. Vertical so to speak were focused more now on charity running churning walking were so we're now working with different types of partners to help make their five caged their ten KS marathons teams ill like they can connect because now if somebody goes, live on, holler heights, everybody in their network to notification like Hey Adrian his leg right now or Danny's live right now. Hype. I send you a message, and it comes through headphones right away. Okay. So how did that? How did that end up that your collaboration ended up with Cork lobs leveraging abilities to access better solutions. What was the evolution of at? This. Was So right after that. Happy Accident At wayfair age in high net probably just a week later. We're like wait. We still love them so much that I think we should be chitchatting about and. I'll Adrian speak more about the passion behind these routes in court fives, but what I can certainly contribute is that when? Adriana heard my story about Holler high. Her first reaction to me was Oh so you built accessible technology. That's pretty cool because I've never had that inclusive opportunity to support someone running the Boston Marathon I can send them something before they on I can send him congratulations after I've never had the opportunity to participate as deeply as somebody that feels comfortable in the crowd on Boylston. Street and you've now made that this will. Will be my first time. Hyping somebody in that setting will be on Holler hype in that was so I open to me him ever since Adriana helped inspire that perspective in Holler hypes mission I don't think I'll go through the conversation on a guy out mentioning the importance of like voice communication, being accessible and inclusive, so that's where Holler hype and my founding mission fit into Adrian is vision for poor clouds, but again. She, she thought of this. This is comes from a different pain point. We essentially use them together. Of! Another founder of assistive tech night met. Almost. Maybe a year before and emily. Emily and he and I. Had gone through. Applying to programs such as pal in and. I think he's done. You know all those other accelerator you know other. Brooks Manley sound. We never had this. WE NEVER FIT IN A. So you have to take off what industry you're in. No. There's never. Box that we've put into. Yeah, you know we're Selebi tax. That's what we always into. Impact, but there are so many things related. Impacts And nothing described anything related to. Disability also. Rounder with disabilities I. Couldn't advert check that? Check off female founder. Nazis Sandra with a disability and. On Nail. With the disability now fell under can't check anything. And so. We know so. WHO. Have these great ideas. And especially now, LIZ technology people with Disabilities Jala greater opportunity. To. Forge their own pass. Entrepreneurship. Nothing out there to support us. Like we need to create. This. We need to create something. that. People though the stat. You know. Of Collides. Support for the challenges that people with disabilities house when we met, we talked about the sandbox for testing of products and services for people with disabilities. Is that what Cork labs is, or is that part of what that's part of it part of in addition. Emily really brought up that part of it. Because I. Don't think I had. That in line at the. Emily was the one that really. that as to organizations like way. OR UP SPOTS? Could you know when they're? Developing a new platform, or whatever they can have real life he. Tries to lick durations with real disabilities product Ben Events that get in that more. They have these preconceived years up. Certain disability what challenges people face with certain disability? Ah I'm still interested in Cork labs and so okay, so a later part of that was a sandbox, but I what was the early initial? The initial idea is creating this inclusive accessible co working space coil preneurs disabilities. Aspiring entrepreneurs, disability and small. Startups organizations. That on her. Serving the disability community? you know I met a couple of. Founders at Matt's challenge. who weren't creating new products? Related to disabilities to the depth of clothing. Themselves Hook disability, but they're still in the hats. Right that circle, Disability related. Exit they to themselves. Really didn't fit in the typical. Consumer. Hot Act or clothing? Why because it's such a niche market? So, yeah, that was the original idea. Now a word about our sponsor abridge. US A Bridge to record your doctor visit. Push the big pink button and record the conversation. Read the transcript or listen to clips when you get home. Check out the APP at a bridge DOT com. A. B. R.. G. E.. Dot Com or download it on the apple APP store or Google play store. Record your healthcare conversations. Let me know how it went. Oh. This week's episode was with a Young Lady Sarah Lorraine Snyder, and who's a a junior in high school and one of the things that she said when we chatted was that she feels like right now with this pandemic going on, she feels light. Now, these are my words that people with disabilities have a fifteen minute advantage on more able bodied people because they're more accustomed to dealing with with uncertainty. And they're more comfortable with uncertainty. And Rolling with it and. So when you think about. Your work like. That each of you have done and now cork labs. If we're thinking about here, we are now with this. Sort of. Sort of it now in a next wave starting a nextwave of covid response, the first way to me was regatta. Live through this. We don't WANNA die. But but then it's like life has really changed, and and how we. Approach life and how we adapt to life is really changing for. Everybody and going back to what Sarah said. People with disabilities. That's their life. And the that's like normal life. So how do you think this work that you're doing together with Cork labs? How do those? Fit Together. Well. Can I say that I would love to eat this out because? That's awesome statement. Presents a young. person. I would love to have a conversation with her. I, will. Will introduce you. She'll hug as delightful I'll send you a link to the episode. And I will send you both in email. Yeah! I Love I love what she read that's. Yes, it's true. What was the question? HOW FIT INTO! Yes so thinking about this. You know adapting now to this uncertainty I mean to me. That's the biggest thing about covert right now is how uncertain everything is. And, so when you're thinking about leveraging abilities to access better solutions, I think. We've met sounds pretty damn mainstream the me. Yet Adrian and I actually just had a conversation that flirts with this topic. What was it like yesterday or So! This time last year is when we met, and then we started working more on Cork labs over the Rehab, a lot of people asking us we'll you just do this virtually. It seemed like the easy answer. It seems like easy street and like no. We're planning flag somewhere in the city to save. There needs to be a space. We need to have a space that says this is where people can go if they are experiencing a disability living with a disability in their in aspiring entrepreneur. They don't know where to start. This is where you start. You already have something in the works. You have a minimum viable product. You have a team. That's passionate. It hasn't put pen to paper yet or development. This is a place for you to your mentor. That wants to give back to people with disabilities who are working on accessible technology like this is where you come instead of perhaps trying to find avenue in another program. Really important to us that we found physical space to to show that this mentioned. It's not just about technology. It's about other areas of. Self thrown work as well when the makes retailer in the physical space. That was really important, however, now, of course, we're talking about how. A hybrid solution of Virtual. Group of virtual network where we could run programs like many others are doing on zoom or other platforms, I think future pork labs, assuming our success will be that there will be visible space where we will have events, or we'll have cohorts, but it's not limited to people that can only get there physically will always have a webcam up streaming. What's going on? We'll be inviting questions that come in so that immersive part of that conversation in mentioned the second half of Quirk labs is that I do believe relates to covert in the need to accelerate any in all things four. Is. There's a company out there working on a better solution right now. It needs to inclusive include accessibility, so come to quick labs to have that solution tested out whether it's in the actual location or whether it's through virtual zoom media. That's where we're thinking also about the importance of the space, but also the importance of the brand starting to establish some credibility. Credibility there like yet core collapse certified. You can also get other types of certifications, but just proving that you're investing in this idea of end users that actually get the problem that you're trying to solve can get involved, and then I think like maybe to close the loop in of course interested in your follow up thoughts Adrian probably missing things from our conversation. What about people that are unemployed right can't find work in. It's fulfilling to provide feedback may provide a sense of purpose to be a part of that project to be like. I went through in Akimbo workshop like Lynch Pin. We give people opportunities to be lynchpins of greater solutions. And I think. anyways, they are the vision for Kirk. Bob's is stronger now than even before, but I'm definitely missing some things, Adriana. No, I mean you pretty much covered everything. Else that. I saw when I was at mass challenges it people. From other startups if they had skills that other startups world looking for. A We found over that as well and so people disabilities. Could calmly in you know? Employment Opportunities there freelance here's. Nitty, they're at blog in there. Good at folding. Maybe he'll whatever it is that they're good at. Here they'll have so many opportunities. To of pitch their skills to. Say Hey. This is what I can offer. And now would be a great pool all of. A freelance workers as well. Yeah, so so I have two more things just going to say him, so I don't forget them, so the first one is. How can people get involved with court labs and the other is were. Did Your logo come from? I don't WanNa Forget. That would so take that in either order. They in. A team at ORCA LABS DOT com. Cork L. A.. B. S.. Dot Com and reach out to us. We'd love to hear from people who either are interested in from an. If they're already entrepreneurs nervous knee want to grow our network now we wanted. A network. Yes, you meet me I. Want I mean as a selfish question. I'm a selfish guy, don't. We listen to the time that we want to begin growing this network. An established the I guess we need to establish it angrily and so that would be. Regular. MAD QUIRK LABS DOT COM and say. Uninterested, yes, all right. You're getting an email from somebody. Okay, okay! Okay, and so it don't now. What about the logo so is that? And I love plus or a squid it not. It's only got six legs. Well Not. Really I don't WanNa sex later. A hex on the other to. Talk! About analysts originally. Ticket? When it was. And when we googled. We said Oh. It's a misnomer like the. People not about that animal was completely untrue. And, so we're like Oh. We can't let it. And I'll have unbelievable. You. Start Okay. I might be missing a piece of the story, but I believe we. Settled on the octopus in. Its arms can go in in different directions so not to overemphasize access. Just show that there is a diverse range could wave really likes that about the octopus, and we liked the idea of sea creature. Since week decided to call it core quads. We just saw that kind of brought to mind Dan. You called it. The sandbox and were saying meets water that would make sense to us, and another thing that was important for the branding of the logo was like friendliness welcoming. I. Don't know this is a stretch. Imagine getting a hug from. Dr. A soccer's right. Thing was the. Has Multiple brains. o-. Multiple founders of. Even know that, yeah. That loic dairy. And also. How innovative inaugurals. It can learn it can adapt. End that just went bodies everything balanced. Our mission. Great Court clouds, though it kind of. Yeah. Well. What should I have asked you guys that I haven't asked you. Maybe what's next? WHAT'S NEXT FOR CORK WIVES BECAUSE WE? Yeah it was it was about a year ago Adriaan. Assuming decided we were going to move forward. We did a lot of. Route style events to try ballot the idea by talking with a of folks in it's been a whole whole lot of that. I. Think we're both really energized to keep things. Moving forward plan incorporating soon as or establishing ourselves as a nonprofit so getting? Official New Moving Adrian Mitch mentioned the importance of building community right now. That is definitely a huge goal in terms of what's next. When you ask the question like what was the last social or is the last social event that we both gone to I don't think that we knew each other's answers, but we both ended up mentioned something connected to Venture Cafe district being an extension of that, and there's something about those spaces that are inviting inclusive. For the most part or some physical limitations, but inclusive of. All, all folks congregating there about the magic of ideas and If we can build up community once we once we do take the sheet off of quirk labs. It's really. Less about the space more about. The Community of people so. In tandem, we're working on building community and trying to find a strategic partner who wants to help us launched by donating space before we raise money to actually call us face of our own. Yeah that makes sense so that's something that maybe if you're listening to the pass. In you know a company that has interest in accessibility. Inclusivity would be a great partner that those are remain goals for next. That's great. Will Ladies Thank you so much. This has been now wonderful. I appreciate you spending time with me. I look forward to a following and even participating in your fine work is inspiring and Lord knows. We need inspiration these face, so thank you so much. We'll give. Danny. A. I worked for many years as a nurse in homes, communities, physical rehabilitation and behavioral health. I have lived experience as a person with disabilities. I'm trying to appreciate entrepreneurs in these spaces. It's a massive market. According to the National Inclusion Project an estimated forty nine million people. Or nineteen percent of non institutionalized civilians have a disability. An estimated thirty four million people or eighteen percent apple functional limitation. Eighty two percent of the general population are employed. Among all people with disabilities of working age twenty, nine, million, more than half are employed. Adriana and emily alone. Touch on technology, clothing, accessibility and mobility. All you freelance entrepreneurs out there. Check out their co working space quirk labs. Reach out to them at team at Quirk Labs Dot Com. Q. U. I. R. K. L. A. S.. Dot Com. Once again. The background music is John Lennon's imagine played by interplay company band. A nonprofit music organization. Of adult musicians with and without cognitive and other differences. See the. Show notes previous PODCASTS and other resources. On my website, www. Dot Health. Dash hats. Dot Com. Slash pod. 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Hypothesis: Stories about having a question that needs answering

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Hypothesis: Stories about having a question that needs answering

"Science story NYU scientists. They thought well figured get it out. It was that golden moment because science was on my side. Hello everyone welcome to the story collider where we bring you true personal stories about science. We're your hosts Aaron Barker and Liz neely and this week we are presenting stories about questions that just need answers. That's right we're talking about hypotheses like hear me smile when I say the word I get so excited I feel like hypotheses. Are the building blocks the scientific method. It's like the first thing we learned right like why is an egg shaped like an egg. Some of these are questions that never occurred to many any of us to wonder about right. Okay so I read a paper Really excited about and this is not about chicken eggs but rather insects right. Oh Okay Yeah so you take an observation about the world lake. Big bugs tend to lay eggs. Small bugs lay small eggs. Right makes sense and then you might extrapolate from there to a hypothesis. Something like excises constrained by the body size of female before we go any further though Erin okay. Are you ready to guess. What is the biggest insect egg in the world? Oh my God I feel like I'm afraid to know the answer Ansett. Is there any way I can guess and then you cannot tell me just like wiped out information from what what is from. It's from a jungle nymph stick insect of course which is also the heaviest a second happiest insect in the World The jungle going infants extra legendary for its excise guess Like a like an inch in diameter. Ah about half that. So yeah the relief. That's surprising yeah. It's a blueberry size. That's the friendliest is like a little red. The size of a Lego figure fun size but another important facts. Not all insect eggs are egg shaped or around some of them like banana shaped or other interesting things like that and this paper that I read that I loved Comes out of Doctor. CASSANDRA DEVORE'S LAB In nature and what they did was they looked the created a database of more than ten thousand descriptions of insect eggs. And guess what they found again. I'm afraid what did they find a whole lot of nothing. I've I've never seen scientists so excited that's so many previous hypotheses proved to be wrong so excise not constrained by like the growth development speed or the mother's there's body size but rather things like ecology of where they like lay their eggs. Wow scientists. Sometimes they like well they like proving each other wrong. Hey It's me. Suddenly it all makes sense. Yeah a a Lotta pieces are starting to come together for me. Are Storytellers this week. With thing or two about hypotheses I suspect yes I think we've got some hypotheses to be proven or disproven by started I am our first story is from so Cheek Garcia. It was recorded in September. Two Thousand Nineteen at the University of Rhode Island in Kingston. This was part of a show sponsored by the inclusive SICOM symposium sixth grade. Where in six or eight classrooms six? Oh three we're spending a week on the characteristics of life. You know not not a big deal oh living nonliving. No worries and the basic premise is to start this week out. We give them a bunch of examples of things that might be living nonliving bang once living whatever and they're supposed to work together and it's more about the discussion it's more about the discourse it's more about pushing each other in creating creating a Schema and they're sitting at tables. They've already done these observations. They walked around the room. They messed with objects. They looked at videos they collected and they're sitting down and they're starting to talk and we didn't really have to do any prompting. I have a CO teacher. So we're walking around the room and they're asking each other questions are like well. No like that thing got hot. Doesn't that mean that it's reacting to something doesn't that mean it's living doesn't it. Violate one of your rules that you made this is rule is wrong. And they're they're having this really good debate and my coach. You're like Oh we killed. This kids are Super Indus. I like Oh my Gosh Josh. And we're like high fiving each other and I'm walking around the room and we're observing conversations and I pass by a table and I hear fire's definitely alive. Mike Okay cool and this is why do science in groups right. This is why they're are together at a table and we're going to have a bigger discussion later. Though push each others ideas. They'll challenge. It'll be great. They're doing great science discourse discourse their skills are amazing. I'm so excited so I leave that table. I just walk around and and I forget about fire is alive. I I think it's going to go away and let's just be clear. Fire Not alive right. Sixth grade are we say life is grim. That's I think it's funny. My Co teacher thinks it's funny. Kids do not think this is a nation right so the basic premise is like they grow they. They reproduce interact with their environment. They have a metabolism's life. Scream right. I it's great but there are supposed to construct that knowledge. It's not for me to get them. It's the most effective way. And so we get to the whole class discussion. And I have a little inkling I thought I was like fires live live. It's it's going to be gone. It's good and we start categorizing and sure enough this table. We put fire up. Everybody racing not alive not alive. I'm like great great like winning and then the staples like no. It's alive and I'm like this. One student took a table of four and convinced them. That it's alive and I start to freak out a little on my mind. I'm like I'm that person people talk about. I'm that teacher that people talk about the Daily News. New York City teacher like things fire is alive. What an idiot like high school teachers being like? What did your teachers teach you like? Where did you come off with this idea? And I'm like Oh my God. Oh my God what do I do and they start questioning each other there and I'm like great great. This is going well and kids are like will they. Don't reproduce this kid's like bro Sparks sparked. I'm like Oh my God. So and they're like sparks they grow and they start to talk about all the things. I just named growth the threat. They're like fires grow you see wildfires. They spread they talk about nutrition. They're like they eat. Would they eat paper. They turnovers slowly freaking out looking at each other across the room. And so I I like I can handle this. I've got this like I go to the front of the room and a Mike. Do you see fire having babies and the room gets silent. Right Co teacher goes what the fuck and I'm like. At that moment I had to realizations. We had an entire week on characteristics of life. We had planned inquiries we'd planned all these studies. They didn't need the Schema today right. They were growing body of knowledge. We need it by Friday. The second thing I realize is I just introduced a worse misconception to the students that there's one paradigm of reproduction. I just told well them birth was the thing and now I'm GonNa have to spend a long time trying to take that visual birthday out of their minds So I mean this is all just say that like why did I freak out. Like why was I forget we were well planned. I was only second year of teaching. I had had gone to a series of. PD's about how introducing misconceptions and science like you don't WanNa say the misconception to students because they will remember what you say you want them to voice voice misconceptions and so I mean it was all bad but I was trying. I was trying to do the best I could. I was trying to really they do it and it took a bit of it was a moment of Humil- like being humiliated to learn something. Good which was that like. I can't control everything that goes on in the classroom. And that's not. The point of teaching science right at the point is to make space and opportunities for them to grow and grow their skills build build their own Schema for this amazing inquiry and and maintaining wonder under in the world. And that was the thing I learned through this experience and the other thing I took away was like that we kicked ass at the end of it. They they had an amazing discussion about artificial intelligence and robots where they applied these things that they had learned about characteristics of life but added these ideas of ethics and humanity that we had not given them to this analysis in order to bring some of their experience in some of what they value into till the way we think about like what deserves our treatment of living. And I'm seven months pregnant. I am. I'm not going to give birth to fire hopefully and not in front of students although residents are students so learning is learning. So maybe I'll be like great and I'm thinking about you know this life I'm bringing in the world and one of the things that I really love is I love science and I like thinking about humanity and science and the idea that it's not just a series of processes. It's it's not these things on paper it's about the minds and the people and their thoughts and construction. And that's the kind of world that I wanNA to bring life into is one where it's about learning. It's about being curious but it's about you in that experience building or knowledge do that was so she garcia so she is the K.. Twelve education program manager at science Friday. She's a former schoolteacher schoolteacher who taught middle and high school science in the Bronx for seven years and in fact she has a green thumb as a fund for Teachers Fellow. She traveled to Ecuador our to interview. Cacao farmers. And as a National Geographic grosvenor teacher fellow she circumnavigated Iceland photographing different plants for classroom projects. which which is amazing? At Science Friday she works with other educators sifting through piles of random junk that she insists treasure to figure out cool as for educators. There's to explore scientific phenomena with our learners. You can find her making a mess at her home her office and the city at large all in the name of great science education. I love her story so much. Well you produce this wine. I know I've never laughed so hard like just from the first time we spoke. I knew this was a killer killer story and I should point out that this was made possible by the funders and organizers of of the inclusive SICOM symposium which is conference all about combining theory and practice in our efforts to prioritize inclusion equity an intersection -ality and Science Science Communication Near and dear to our hearts obviously special yes special thanks to Dr Sunshine. Minez for making that show happen. Yeah I know you you in gas door had a blast we really did. I know that all of us quite after hearing that story are now a little bit suspicious that fire or might be allowed a public service announcement. I can't believe I of all the people I am. Invested in combating getting misinformation effective science communication. I am sorry this is not true. I think kids made some good points in. Today's episode is brought to you by perfect bar. 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Go to perfect bar dot com slash story quite or fifteen to stock up and save fifteen percent. Our next story today is from John Rennie. It was recorded in August. Twenty nineteen caveat in New York City the theme that night was divergence All right listen you seem like nice people So I WANNA WANNA be straight with you. I don't know what you've heard but I have never eaten a tarantula. Not even one but if you're looking for a good recipe there's there's one. This spider researcher told me about that. He swears by. You can write this down if you want so what you're going to do is you're going to start with good average-sized Tarantula and you're GonNa Begin by soaking it in Brandy for three hours told you this was a good recipe. So then you take out the Tarantula and you're going to stick it under the broiler on each side for like five minutes now. You're not trying to cook the Tarantula at this point you're just trying to singe off the ERC taking a hairs on its legs which are which are highly irritating and if you swallow them you might to lactic shock so then you also after you've done that then you then you carve out it's too little venomous fangs. And you put a sticker skewer through the Tarantula and you Put it into Tim. Poor a better and then you just sort of lightly saute it presto there. You have have it. Fried Tarantula serves one. I'm told it tastes like soft. Shelled Crab Bhonapha. Cheat Eight as I say. I have never eaten one of these but these kinds of recipes are the sorts of things you encounter when you wander into the world old of intimacy that is to say the world of eating insects. That is something. Yeah you're a little too nostalgic in the way you responded to that Sir. Yes but I can get that because weekday way back in May of nineteen ninety two. I had my own encounter of this sort I was I was a time. I was a staff editor and writer on the magazine. Scientific American. Thank you thank you. You can find subscription cards on the table. I'm sure And then But also in that month that was also the one hundredth anniversary of the New York intimate logical society And they decided they were going to throw themselves of big party and they decided to make this really interesting they would have it at the Venerable Explorers Club on these swanky upper east side of Manhattan and to make extra special. They would have a banquet where they would be serving insects as food. Let me just make a note that on the upper east side of Manhattan. They are not commonly eating insects as his food even at the Explorers Club. At least that they know but I mean let's let's be honest. We are all. Aw eating insects. Yeah no we are. We have all eaten insects. And not just because we have all been in convertibles or are or God on picnics but because remember the food and Drug Administration prescribes the the maximum amount of insect parts. That you can have in your breakfast cereal so trust me. We're all eating insects. All the time and the reality is that outside of places like United States in Europe where this is kind of a fluke. They're really most cultures around the world. Actually have real traditions of eating insects. Because the fact is that there are millions and millions of people know millions and millions of people who depend on eating insects as a vital source of protein and there are arguments that really all of us should be trying to subsist more on insects protein gene rather than you two need to get together after the show. More more of us should be doing this sort of thing now. These are the sorts of details that made this a great thing for me as a writer. For Scientific American why it was was that I proposed to my boss that I go to the animal logical society banquet and participate in this and write about the experience and why it was a great idea for me to do this what I did not tell my bosses at the time was I also had a secret personal agenda agenda is he. I have always sincerely loved insects in the sense that I find them beautiful and I appreciate gate their importance to the ecosystem. I love insects behind glass. I don't like them flying around me. I don't like them crawling on me. I don't like squashing them because boogie mess is disgusting. I don't care for This it bothered me but somehow got it into my head. I went to this intimate logical society but banquet. And if I you ate insects it would give me a sort of mastery over this fear and and I would triumph over it and so I set off that night and when I got there to the explorers club boy the joint was jumping. Sorry with sincerely no really because because you see they had eighty entomologists who were signed up to attend this. They would be eating the food food at this banquet along with me but there were three times that many reporters there the place was. You should should forgive the expression swarming with reporters All of the looking to find somebody. Who's actually doing this because there were so many reporters could mostly you just find other reporters not people who are actually going to eat the insects? I however was now when I walked in frankly it. It really was looked a lot like a louder sort of high-society affairs you had you know the string quartet playing chamber music in the corner and the open bars. The wine is flowing which was good good because the two things that I was sure of about this evening where I was going to be drinking heavily and later I was going to loss the really in most respective is just like any other big elegant party. You had these formerly dressed waiters walking around with silver platters and and they're walking up and say oh Sir may offer you the Eh Veto Bread Russ Koetter. Perhaps you would care for some of the mealworm bobby newish wax. Worm Room fritters with your choice of plum sauce or mango sauce. Perhaps you'd like the chocolate creek torture. All real real dishes. But that's not where I started know. The first thing I decided to eat that night was I walked right up to this big wicker basket that it was filled with roasted crickets and meal. Worms and wax worms huge basket of these things just sort of like a gigantic oversized container of sort of bar. Snacks and I walked over those and I grabbed a handful of them and the human mind is an amazing thing You know when you looked at any individual one of these roasted crickets. It really was not recognizable for what it was but when you reach into a big basket of them and and pull them out and all the other contents shifts down to fill the space the pattern recognition ability is your of your brain in our so great instantly see it as a huge skittering mass of insects so for me. The experience was just. Oh now I know by and now you're wondering so how did these tastes. And honestly there were quite good The roasted res roasted hosted crickets. And the like basically a crickets are basically six legged Tofu of the animal into into into my world I mean they basically they have no real flavor of their own they just take on the flavors of however they're being cooked which in this case would be oil and salt therefore delicious. So you know is really you would not particularly no or object to it. And in fact in almost any of these cases where the insects were ingredients. What's in the food It was unnoticeable and completely benign. And honestly you think it was fine and a lot of these things. They tasted really Quite good not everything was great. There was this big wicked grub any any Australians. No it's a that's a a sort of big big larva pitcher something sort of like a big hail breakfast sausage with a chivers the forehead. That wasn't great but but I will tell you. There was something that I thought was absolutely delicious. which were the honeypot ants? Those have been flown in specially from Arizona. And these are like these little ants Their their abdomens are swelled up like little golden impedes because they're filled with this honey like nectar They would hold for the other members of the colony and they had these sitting in like a terrarium. And you would go out and just take out one for you. It was like it was like going to a restaurant and getting a lobster that one in the cornerback. Mark pop it on your tongue really. It was delicious it was like candy was wonderful and so I was really feeling great about the entire experience ends of how all of this was going on. I was on the road to mastery and then they brought out the final dish of the evening. And this my friends was sort of the pissed insect resistance because this was the giant sauteed. Sauteed tie water buck essentially a huge cockroach. It's sitting on a plate looking like it was trying to run off of the place which I was hoping it. It might do because this was you sincerely the quintessence of all of the fears. I had about these insects. This was a giant Repulsive Buggy bug uh and I saw it there on this plate and I picked it up and it had a heft to it which was really disturbing because it was about three inches long I did I mention it was a giant tie water boat I picked it up and I looked got it. I actually felt this tremendous sense of inner calm because what I realized was I had been eating all of these other insects and I had been doing really well with that and I could look at this giant tie water bug and think. I don't really want to eat this. I don't need to and I got ready to put it back on the plate and in that very moment I suddenly became aware of gigantic Halo of light surrounding. Bring me the lights from all of the cameras from all two hundred and fifty of the borders gathered there that night who decided I was the one they had to capture on video eating the giants tie water bug. I felt trapped not unlike a bug in amber. That's right keep your irony there. We go so what I felt. I had to strength I I would have to make the most gruesome some choice of my life which ended do I eat. I because it's too big to put in my mouth all at once. Do I eat the front end with the Anna now eggs. Do I eat the back in the big swollen abdomen full of some sort of buggy guts relating the tiger moment. Doesn't I friends. I decided I would eat the FRONTON. I in your approval means everything I closed my eyes. I opened my mouth. I bit down and folks. This is how you discover that the universe is full of surprises. The full of unexpected turns every day because in fact most sincerely that bug was the most dastardly thing I had ever eaten in my it was a horror show I I mean. The flavor is grotesque. It's like cleaning fluid with a sort of accurate burnt Burbot Q.. Sauce thing going on. Aw but the flavor was nothing compared to the texture because now with each bite the front end of this thing is turning into cajal swirling mass of disarticulating exoskeleton wings. Are Poking me in the cheeks. I've got I've got Legg's actual legs stuck between my teeth. Now all I can do is just like look out at all all of these cameras. 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Intermittent Fasting  What a Physical Therapist Needs To Know

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Intermittent Fasting What a Physical Therapist Needs To Know

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Live during the show without further Ado I do love me some ado our next guest physical therapists working in orthopedics. She kinesiology nutrition diabetics as an undergraduate student at the University of Rhode Island and received her dpt from Stony Brook. University let's welcome to the show Keira Lo Bianco. Moving when there's like a crowd in the background even when you know it's fake this is fake. Like. Hey, this is Kinda cool here. WHOA. Thank you. Thanks for having me. This is great. I didn't prep you for this. We're going to get into intermittent fasting, but I didn't prep you for this. I want to tell the story about how we like met. Do you remember this? It was at. What city we were, and it was a conference where were we Boston. Boston yeah. They think. Maybe honestly, they're all they're all a blur to me I just never it was a conference center. It's all I know. Or many I go to a few. So so what happened it's been a a a minute correct me if I'm wrong with this is how I remember it. I ordered like a million pint glasses to be shipped I'm talking these were the glasses these the glasses right here. Okay. Chip cases of I shipped him to the. Little. FEDEX KIOSK in the conference center and I went to pick them up. And the guy was like, well, first of all, he was like is going to be twelve hundred dollars to pick those up and I was like the glass is only cost like eight hundred dollars and he's like, yeah, there's a receiving fee and I was like I don't have twelve hundred dollars to give to receive the glasses I just paid so you can keep them if you want. Or I could leave this hundred dollar bill here and you can take a fifteen minute break. There's a hand truck in the back I'll be back in fifteen, but then I started panicking because I couldn't physically carry them all by myself a million miles across the conference center, and that's where I did I run the hallway like a literally just grabbed someone's like who who can help me I looked at year strong. I look really struggle. I forgot about that actually by all I remember is logging them in and out of elevator. Yes we were doing Hawass we carried them across the Conference Center and the reason I needed to do it quickly because that guy was gonna come back and I was like my love, he'll ask for another one hundred bucks and I didn't have it. So I was like, let's go. So that teaches you anything from today's podcast. So far is a hundred bucks can save twelve hundred bucks if you're. A long way. Well Hey. Thanks for jumping on the show since twenty seventeen you were a student still there right at Stony Brook yet. Yep. I graduated in eighteen so you're later Congratulations you've got that going for you and are you still on the Long Island? Where are you I? Am I I'm actually I just got put out east in Southampton. So that's been my my home base for why We likes the Hamptons Hi Al Maybe, one day I'll get out to the HAMPTONS. Yeah. Don't don't threaten me with a good time. So the reason I bring you on today as we found in your intro, you did a little background, your undergraduate work in nutrition dietetic talk about that briefly. What drew that way. What did you learn? Yes. So when I was an Undergrad I, I knew right off the bat I wanted to go to PT school part of most kinesiology programs has been taking either one or two, maybe three nutrition courses and I took my first one and fell in love with it and I felt so torn up on my gosh do I continue with PT, which has been my dream to be or joy mixing up and pursue nutrition. So I actually just couldn't design and I picked both. I mean we had. We had an interview on when we're at CSM with Sarabeth Burke and she talks PhD and hybridity, and she's talking more and more mixing of things is actually more valuable versus where my parents generation was be really super good at just one thing and engage into that thing and stayed there for twenty years and now that's not the case. Yeah absolutely I mean I I always found an Undergrad and even still now like you really can't talk about exercise without talking about diet vice versa, they're so interrelated that I, think it's important to have a well rounded view towards it plus. Everyone's getting. So specialized that it's being, it's harder to collaborate. It's harder to mix everybody together because hearing. So many different viewpoints bottle so. Important to know a little bit about both. And that's why I got excited to talk to you about this this particular topic, intermittent fasting today because it's come up a lot people ask me and I. My my my standard response is I. Don't know if I'm educated enough to speak to you in depth on that like I literally have that verbatim because when I don't want to say is I don't know. because. That's the kind of like but I don't but I want to say educated enough now if you're asking me to get more educated, I can do that for you. But since you had, you have this this this this nutrition background this is this love for I was like Hey care is gonna come on the show. Let's talk about intermittent fasting I'm sure it's come up with in clinic for some people out there in the audience right now. So let's dig in. Let's go big small macro micro what the heck is intermittent fasting. So I actually, before you asked me but I really it was kind of on my to do list research because I do get a lot of questions about it in clinic. So I really wasn't too sure what the pros and cons of it were what the benefits were. So I've done good research at this point and it's actually pretty simple in terms of like the basic terminology of it. So people are using the word intermittent fasting in place of something called restricted eating. So people are this is usually Looked at in a ratio. So time spent eating. Then time spent fasting but intermittent fasting, really an umbrella term in the literature for a bunch of different types of fasting you do prolonged fasting, which has shown its own benefits that's typically fast in greater than forty eight hours. But this time restricted eating component is really Ah Tool that you can use to match your circadian rhythm. So. Basically, what that means is eating in a time when your metabolism is at its peak and not eating when you're. At a slower rate. So timing those things out. So a couple of different types of in terms of intermittent staff, your prolonged. prolonged. What was it again? What was the term fasting prolonged fasting? So. Yeah. So I mean I know some people who had the concept of they can eat anything they want for eight hours but it was only this eight hour period anything else it was like they were from the movie gremlins like you do not feed the person outside the eight hours or you don't you don't want to know what's going to happen and they treated like that and. These people will swear by results and when you were looking into, you know intermittent fasting as buzzword term you know, what were you finding in terms of what works for whom does one thing work for everybody or you need to try different things out as you mentioned with rhythms? Well. So that's actually funny that you say that because this is basically the the main reason I decided to start my blog is I feel like especially in the medical field, you really can't have black and white like if I say to every single patient, Hey, you should stop using start intermittent passing. They're gonNA look at me like well why they started, and then they decide hey, this doesn't really fit my schedule. This isn't easy for me. It takes a lot of planning makes me feel like garbage whatever their complaint is like I can't say that it's going to be good for everybody. But. I. Think the body truly needs. Like a routine schedule, your body. If you. Eat whenever you feel like it or whenever it's around or whatever your body kind of goes into this region preserving everything. So if it's not sure when it's going to get its next meal, hold onto ebbing. Whereas if you know that if your body knows that you eat at nine twelve and five o'clock in the afternoon, then your body Kinda dumps what it doesn't need an hold on is up at actually needs and you kind of get rid of waste that way. So the best thing is kind of a nice tool for people to use so that they had that schedule, they had that routine available to them. All right. So now we're getting terms I want to start macro to micro before forget though I forgot to ask the I always like to get the hardest question of the early I forgot to ask you what are you drinking? Rosaiah all day. I'm probably GONNA, take some heat for this. I have been having IPA's on the show and I'm trying to knock back a couple of I'm just doing a white cloth with ice cubes. Okay. But. I wish we were told me. Out to blackberries my flavor. So cheers, and now that we know the the the big terminology, the idea behind intermittent fasting, which is we least be knowledgeable up because patients either doing it or asking us about it and clinic. Absolutely. So, let's go into more specifics. You alluded to it a second ago intermittent fasting pros and cons what are they? So. Right. Now, the research that I've done has has shown is actually like good amount of pros I am very much like a Nada Diet Person I don't typically record things like that just because I, always find that they're very temporary and a diet shouldn't be that way. So always skeptical, but the research is showing some pretty good benefits so. There's this protein called IGF one and it's job in your body is to build in regrow. So for all our exercise people out there, that's obviously very important to build strength right? So. They've been finding that during the fasting period that protein in the body has been elevated so that Your body's Kinda using whatever's leftover to rebuild. which they'd been showing has. Had Good Effects Towards a breast cancer and longevity especially for growth for neurons in muscles which for us is huge like that's great to be able to use. So. That's one of them. The other obviously people talk about the most is weight loss. So I. Biggest part of this has been fact that you're not eating at midnight. When, your body's at. No good notes you know. but I mean it's crazy when you're schedules are so wacky I mean I work in outpatient you could be at work till eight nine o'clock Mike commutes an hour. So I don't get home till nine o'clock sometimes ten o'clock might eat. Then I'm starving I worked for ten hours. You know so I I get it's tough and it's Something that requires a lot of planning. So I think be more towards a con. The intermittent fasting can be kind of problematic in that you have to have a schedule and you have to be consistent with it if you're working outpatient or even impatient, your schedule can vary from day to day. So it's hard to kind of get that like. Permanent. Short. Yeah. It in terms of pros and cons I think that definitely is the thing that brings looking for his terms of like. Well, this could jump start my weight loss in in your research that it did it did it say anything about in terms of well I mean I feel like I feel like this term creeps up in pt and everything now, right? It's coming up it depends where two two people. With different genetics to dig same plan. If you watch this on like nutrition twitter, you watch people rage on carnivore diet or plant diet or intermittent fasting, and literally these people just raging at each other and what I've done. I've done minimal research into a book that was good for me was David Epstein 's range and what he was he's like, honestly, genetics plays a really huge part like we know that. And then we say do this. It'll definitely work in every situation. How can you say that with a straight face you know that genetics is a giant component of how exercise and food and sleep affects each us. Absolutely one hundred percent agree and there's a lot of research to going into the gut genome by ohm not genome. so That is. An actual phone? Yeah we're landline phone history. Oh my gosh. Do you want to show the audience 'cause? I don't think half of them know what it looks like. People, that's a phone. It's attached to the wall. and. Had to stand near it. There's A, there's a court and everything. I mean, this is off topic because that's me You know the younger people in the honest. They have no reason have no concept of why we call it hanging up on someone because he used the phone used to be on the wall hanging up. Oh Yeah. It's very difficult to emphatically hang up on someone by just pushing an iphone but all right well now I, don't know. Someone important you. WanNa. Take that call in the middle of the shot on a your your call I picked it up and hung it up. All right. That's also what you can do when you have a regular phone. Up We'll skip the phone education but yet genetics. As the most I've researches it depends and that's what we find impeach old frustrating. It was as it wasn't as a student but a lot of the things are going to depend and you alluded to it a second ago, which is if I told everybody to do this, they'd want to know more. But also if you told one hundred people to do this, even if they all definitely adhered to, it could get one hundred probably get one hundred results. and. I mean in terms of intermittent fasting it's very depending on what you're eating to. You already talked about people who say, Oh, I can eat whatever I want in this eight hour period if you eat nothing but chocolate cake the entire time like you're gonNA. Be a bad shape you're not going to be feeling. And I think in this busy fast paced lifestyle that we've all been living which kind of Kobe's has been a blessing for his slow everything down a little bit. But people. Are Not really aware of how their bodies feeling until it's too. Though? I mean if you're eating if you have an eight hour period in your eating potato chips in whatever you can find eight are period especially during a busy workday or travelling or whatever it is, you're not going to be feeling your best even if you're doing intermittent fasting. So you kind of have to find that balance of okay. I need to plan out bite meals and I'm not going to be eating for eight hours straight. Fills a couple of questions come into play, who in terms of genetics what are you eating and then yes. If you're talking about timing several different types of intermittent fasting, that's the went. So it really is the those three who wasn't win come into play. Pre importantly when you're talking about intermittent fasting. Yeah. The independence is so huge I mean we see that day in and day out you can't take somebody with that. He's a cap slightest intrigued in the same way across floor. Plans on what sitting in front of you. So frustrating. Though Impeach scored center what the answer it's like I. Just thought it was my professors in school then I realized Oh my gosh, that's a thing. I feel like I should start pens dot com just because everybody's eventually going to go there. You know what? Jumper or someone steals pets car. Let's get. into the show. So. How do you applying this information clinic? You know you you bring in nutrition indicted work and information with your patients patients in clinic. How else can people bring sent? So usually. A lot of what I talk about with patients has to do behavior change. So I kind of have to meet the where they are just like everybody else's. So somebody's coming to me and saying, Hey, I've between the intermittent fasting. What do you think about that? You agree disagree on like we'll how do you feel first off? I I don't really love to talk about weight loss in weight gain while unless it's like extreme amounts but I don't like I don't like your gold to solely be weight loss because that really I mean, all the research is showing that BMI is relatively irrelevant. So. You really want like, how are you feeling? Do you feel like crap when you will need for eight hours like do you need to eat right when you wake up in the morning and you have to make it work for work it all it depends on who sitting So When people haven't started it yet, I usually say to try it on a day that you don't have anything else going on. So. On a Saturday afternoon. Okay Sunday try this and been a wake up do whatever I have to do in the morning. I'm going to start eating at ten o'clock and then dinner's going to be at five and then I'm done for the day and see what happens. Monday feels you know and try it that way the research is also showing that the prolonged fasting. So that's greater than forty eight hours has shown some pretty powerful benefits too. So I mean, you're not going to do that on a weekly basis. That's something that. How often? How often are people trying that going without eating for forty eight hours is that is that a once a week or you? You go without any for forty eight eating and tried again set up been It depends. Well I don't know anybody personally who's done it. But The podcast I was listening to that we could talk about There was a researcher. His name is Vaulter Longo. He's been studying it, and it's he said that you could do a once a year once a month it's not something that you do weekly. But. That's something that you can play around with also. So it's basically just trial and error in you figuring out what works for you it takes a lot of planning. So it's something just like, okay this is what I'm GonNa do tomorrow you have to kind of make a plan for doing that. Yeah Yeah, I feel like a lot of this is going to be trial and error. A lot of people are looking for a quick fix and exercise or nutrition calling it a diet looking for that quick fix what's the fastest path and the more we learn the more we learn from you know the experts are out there saying the real experts who actually understand this stuff are. Saying there is no quick fix and Everything is going to depend on you and how you react to these things and planning your genetics. What else you doing besides just eating your are you active or you inactive? You know when you eating so all these things are fortunately if you're here for a quick fix, it's GonNa be. It depends unfortunately, there's never a quick fix. Quick question from the Audience Rachel wants to know typical fasting schedule for someone trying for the first time I know it's going to depend. But if someone were to, as you just alluded to, if you're going to say, Hey, you know what try them to Sunday when you when you can control most of the things that you're going to do? What would you suggest? I mean from what I read in the literature. Typical. Time restricted eating time would be an eight hour period of. Overeating got it and then sixteen hours off which sounds like a lot but really half of the sixteen hour period you're sleeping. and. Before you're going to bed it's not like you're doing anything too strenuous. Just Kinda like that warning period where you're someone might be grumbling but once you kinda get onto a schedule, I think that it's relatively easy to maintain. Of course. Yes. Yes. A lot of different things that come into play I went on a hiking trip in the middle of school went when hiking in north of Seattle and up in Alaska for a couple of weeks and I was really nervous because we were essentially carrying. The jet boil will propane little fuel and you boil a little the Cup of water and you mix in your like Maris and I was kinda nervous. I'm like word that's what we're eating. Stuff. A couple of power bars are just to make sure because there's no food out there on the mound and I'll be honest. You're a couple of weeks. My body was just pretty used to it like that, and that's that's me knowing myself I mean looking at the tiny little bowl that I would eat a food we were done. That was all we could eat because we were on the carrying a certain amount for a for a trip. So we realized that we we needed to make sure what we're eating was planned. We knew how much activity we're going to be doing but the variable was our genetics in our body and you know I lucked out in terms of after a while just kinda got used to eating. You know a couple thousand calories a day and hiking all day but I also got great sleep outwards. Yeah you're probably exhausted. No? Yeah, right. Out. Did anybody in your group not like the restricted eating it was a small group. No I was the most inexperienced. Hikers the group by far, and that's why I was. Kinda, like can sneak a couple of Hojo's in here like you know, where am I going to put these things? So so no, but it probably took two or three days before I was actually like this I'm fine but it was probably like the second or third morning waking up where I was. Like man I could just go for some. You know just a big old omelette instant toast. Let me get some of that but probably worth day my body was just like okay this is all we're getting. We'd better deal with it and I adjusted. So everything you're saying I agree with yeah. Yeah. That's Super Interesting Jews anyway weight whilst Hanoi it really yes. I stayed I. Stayed Very hydrated because we were I mean that was like a big thing but I wouldn't. Men there. It wasn't a ton of way I probably would say between five and ten pounds, and this is over three weeks. Okay. That's actually like a pretty decent amount of weight loss, right but as soon as I. Put. I put four pounds back on like in the first week of of getting home because I hit every every a restaurant in northern northern Virginia as soon as I got back. So what's cool how you reply in that in clinic any good resources use you you could suggest for people to to read more for themselves always wanted people to educate themselves beyond what our guests are telling to. So where'd you go? So I've actually found some pretty good podcasts have been weirdly obsessed with this podcast called the school, of greatness. How and he interviewed This path. Rhonda Patrick. And she is like the nutrition guru of Gurus like she is probably one of the most brilliant people I've ever listened to I'm. Sorry. and. She just she so up on all the research she. Gives you the big picture like everything you need to know but then is able to kind of tone it back so that if you're not With all the chemicals or chain reactions. Kind of brings it down just Average person's level which is awesome because I haven't been in school for three five years now in. Off Up she is phenomenal and she actually works very closely with Volta, Longo, who studies the intermittent fasting and things of that nature. So she was an awesome resource. Cool. Cool. WanNa talk to you about something else will bring it on screen. What's that? What is this? That's founding bicycle my blog. All right. So so you started a blog I always liked it when somebody asks what they say I started a podcast or a youtube channel or blog I was just go hey, what was your inspiration? Why did you decide to create? So I actually have been wanting to do this since I was an undergraduate because I have been so passionate about combining exercise nutrition. And I am obsessed with A Albert Einstein quote is like riding a bike in order to maintain your balance, you must keep moving. So I feel like that's so important. I say all day long clinic to keep going keep progressing. That's what life's about you have to make it better for the next day. Oh. I've been kind of trying to inspire people to make good changes to keep their bodies moving forward and grout. When? SOMEONE GOES TO BALANCING BICYCLE DOT COM. What are they going to find? What are you talk about this blog because it's your thoughts? Out in the ether on the Internet. Yeah. So it's bit so far. It's been kind of a combination of exercise advice nutrition advice but it's pretty much full-body collaborative type thoughts that are on share people I'm. Pretty interested in behavior change in actually getting people to make that actual change I don't know how many times I've given. ATP Out and nobody does it and I asked him how you're excited at home I, didn't do them or I did them and I look at them like actually I didn't do them and you know it's I mean I love hanging out with my patients but to see them three times a week for their entire lives is obviously not feasible. I want you to be able to make a change in your life without me. So. I think on my blog, I hope that people will get that vibe in find tools that they can use to make their own lives better without me babysitting madman. Checking up on them. Yeah. Yeah. When I was when I was a younger clinician are still in school I remember thinking man, there's no one's listening to me what you WanNa do is you want to blame the audience, but I went back to my broadcasting days, which is if the audience likes something, they're being honest that you can't blame the audience you have to blame yourself as the center of the creator of the information whether that's h. e. p. whether that's a you know it's a diet routine or something to get into in terms of fasting So I think going back to what your method of your your favorite quote is. Einstein is George Bernard Shaw, which is. The greatest failure in communication is to think it actually occurred. So I told care something so and she didn't do it which means that she didn't do it. She fail. But what if I would if I didn't say right way or if I said it in a moment, you weren't listening. So I think behavior change puts it back on us as clinicians as as a profession physical therapists, physical therapists. Assistance anybody in the healthcare field and saying, we need to own this. If they're not doing it we changed our ways. Our job is to continually find different ways to help usher in behavior change not just tell but usher them through. The good thing about our products is that we're trying to work ourselves out of a job as you mentioned, three to five three times a week is not. It's just not good. You want you initiate behavior change absolutely. Yeah. I mean. That's exactly right. I take it. So personally when they don't do my agp like what did I do wrong? You don't WanNa do it. Let's talk through it and find that obstacle that is preventing you from doing it and let's chain. I don't want to give you something that you're not gonNA use. That's not going to help you like let's make better you and. Let's keep pedalling like a bicycle. The best exercise you can give someone to do is the one they're going to do care. Are you ready for three questions? Yes sir. Remember. Three questions brought to you by from medical staffing. Find Them Online. At AU are US medical dot com. It's a you are US medical dot com. If you're looking for a position, all different settings, inpatient outpatient specialty settings. Women's health. You can go all the way from Alaska or Hawaii all the way the tip of the Hamptons they need physical therapists out there right Cara. Out on out, she says. Especially this time. A lot of people graduating passing the. Earliest today he was a lot of people on there. Yeah. There was a bunch people south taken it today it can. Kovin. But listen if you're looking for a place that do to thing, you've been studying your whole life. You are US medical dot com. All right three questions. First Question of course is aware question care. Anywhere in the US states, you can go for three months and be a bring your bike with you go. I'm going. Alaska. Jimmy. Bring your food. Great Yeah. Absolutely. Intermittent fasting their core part is they do people just assume Alaska Hawaii or like just crazy cool places. Abbas probably know positions there a Lotta Times shorthanded short term assignments could also turn into a long-term assigned. So Alaska not too Shabby Watch out forbears. Second question is a what question we alluded to the. I. Think your answer before what's something you've watched read Listen to podcasts. Audience Benefit from. So I already talked about the school of greatness podcast but doctor. Rhonda Patrick has her own podcast and it is absolutely phenomenal. She is such a great resource and not not even just intermittent fasting but just everything nutrition around she has some sort of insight on and will at least point you in the right direction by research. So she's helpful. last question as we begin with WHO. Who is some in the audience should know more about very open ended I love asking open questions. I mean I guess Rhonda Patrick. Can I say that again? You're the guest you can do whatever you want. You can really hammered on her you're really fan girl growing her. I like it. Yeah. If I she listens to this album. So pumped shutout under. Like quiet there for cycling if she listens to this, I'll be so excited. Aren't. Let's do I lasting. Would you on the show we call it the parting shots. Parting. Shot no pressure here Keira it's your mic drop moment to leave with the audience. So in doing the research for intermittent fasting what would you wanNA leave with the audience for the parting shop? To find balance it's going to be about you and you have to trial and error and practice and listen to your body find your balance. I like. 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Brain Mazza

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Brain Mazza

"Legends on today's episode of the PODCAST. We have Bryan Mazza. We have the family man and entrepreneur. He's going to all business he's involved aubain involved in which you can definitely learn from these type white for me though is when he talks about how important is to lobby so seeking love some others. Check out Brian Mazza. Who I say family man and Father Entrepreneur and restaurants? Welcome to the NFL poetry into me. It's actually right all right to have the mate. Some of the most people doing wonderful things and normal create your awesome family family being done a number of things that I'm GonNa definitely poke a stick out because there's so many things I can learn desired DUDE DIV one. Football soccer was football football football soccer athlete. Now you like you know we spoke about earlier you seen across men's health you seen across is your on your social channels. Ever notice as you as that person who's doing things in lost all but we always spot whilst Bassi Cecil as a family man and a business business and I think that's somebody will challenge every single one. Where three days at Tom? But you sure you clearly know you probably do have that time factor as well as we all do but men how how did how did this all come about because it takes a lot to have the mindset to be successful is as honor. What's like to build a restaurant a little eight B once so man? Let's take it back to the beginning. Draw Yeah So. I grew up in Westchester. Here in New York and Like I just spoke about mindset and everything I didn't really have that mindset mindset that I have now growing up let alone in my twenties I wish I did because I think it'd be a lot more successful in a lot in better situations relations just professionally but you know I played soccer in college As a kid in high school and that translated was able to get a scholarship. Go play at the University of Rhode Island and at that time. I didn't fully understand what it took to be successful in the sport. I was always gifted naturally literally through talent but I didn't have the work ethic at all and that's why ultimately didn't succeed in college as a college soccer player and I I quit my senior here just from being a young punk and a lot of people say don't live with regret in the past and stuff I do not but now that I live with regret not to ever make childish or stupid decisions at all if it's in my personal life or business so the goal was to play professional soccer. That didn't happen so back to the drawing board but a funny story. When I was thirty one the Red Bulls asked me to try out for their team? Living near it was a little too late really funny story. I'm in the locker room and I had a big beard tight already to to change for the practice in the trial and look over to me and I see this kid. And he's looking at me like who is this old man and I'm looking at like who's this young kid. I'm like dude. How old are you? He's he's like sixteen. I'm like Oh I fuck twenty three thirty one. Yeah so I'm a little old. It was very interesting but at that point so I didn't didn't didn't go play professional soccer. I didn't know what I wanted to do And then so I moved to New York City with four hundred dollars in my pocket. My parents could have helped me but they didn't help me and and it was just go figure it out on your own so I moved to New York City I was working in menswear and womenswear and I didn't really enjoy making maybe like fourteen thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars a year at the time. It's tough in New York City very very tough. Luckily at a rent controlled apartment. That's was was lucky there but my sister was a very prominent hairstyle. Hair color is in New York York City and her client was ritual. You could tell and Rachel worked at a nightclub in the hamptons called Dune this one of the most successful in premier nightclubs ever In the Hampton so Rachel needed a bottle runner to work outside the nightclub with her so my sister offered my my work for without telling me but the best thing that ever happened to me I was making great money on the weekends and I I tell anybody if you do not know you want to do in life you must get into hospitality. Yeah I work at a restaurant or bar just because you will be able to develop a the personal and people skills that you need and be. You'll start to develop a network so I had the luxury of having an insane network in the hamptons. You have the WHO's WHO's coming in if a bunch of money guys coming in spending crazy crazy money on bottles you just have that experience. All these people usually have very important. Jobs entitles at companies. So I saw myself fifteen years from where where I needed to be and I was like well if I can capitalize on being one of the hardest workers in the room and I never said no to anything. I was basically Rachel's assistant so so anything. Richard wanted laundry coffee bagels workout. Anything I guess I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it just because I wanted to be known as the reliable person and that has was able to put me in a different category than the people. I was working next to me because they knew oh super reliable so that just put me in a different box and then so many different opportunities opportunities came while I was trying to fit. Even though I wasn't as fit as I thought but putting those together I thought it was a perfect blend for me to be successful in the space. So so then I met my partner Who owned the nightclub? Actually and then we collaborated and opened up the Ainsworth in two thousand nine. And where was the first answer on twenty twenty-six between sixth and seventh and Chelsea at the one. That's the Alabama ball yes the og roll tide roll tide so a couple things this nitrites. You just talked about like reliability and the ability to always be available like. That's that's something that I think in any business and is a person who helps later tame I'm not the people you rely on the shirt festival top of mind always but theater no that how did you know that. I don't know I mean I. I didn't feel like a job and I know we just spoke about this right as I started my new company. Everything it didn't ever feel like a job going to the hamptons now. A lot of people don't understand this too. Is that the amount of sacrifice that goes into something that you are passionate about in order to be successful is crazy so just thinking about twenty one years old working in the Hamptons. All of my. My best friends were going on vacations. Birthday parties engagement parties were getting married and I made a conscious decision in my life to say. I'm going to have to to give that up for now in order to plan for my future and I don't know why I knew that but I just it just came to me and I said it maybe because it was so much fun and it really didn't seem like work but I just knew that I could focus on doing this then I could build my personal brand in order to start new companies maybe Did you know I didn't know that but I knew that I need to do this right now. In order to set myself up because they just came natural. You Got Right. Yes your your preparing in yourself when opportunity which is what essentially I described lock as where an opportunity into sex propels you to do dishes cook the food. You'd sweep. The floors organized able schedules and everything in paid work. As well as you said you do everything so for that reason you learn so even skills you also learn where you're traits. Are you know what I mean. And so it's funny. Look if I look at what you've created now back on you've done what what is hospitality. But now you've found a specialization wall. Steel building his personal brand of a lost all. How did you do that? Well in my twenties I was like the Party Guy Right which is awesome right. I mean we pioneered sophisticated sports Mars. The Ainsworth was the first sophisticated higher end type of environment. Go Watch a game where people were coming not even to watch the game time to talk to you. The Earth is Hanley one of the best Baas. I love going into on a Saturday to watch college football. NFL NBA so he transcended that market in created or own lane. That's what what you can get a lot of other spinoffs happen but you know we love to. It just showed that we were doing something right exactly but when you create something like that you never know. Basically how that's going to beat you create something it blows up and then you really have to adjust and start learning so many different other things about the business in order to be successful. Let's touch on that. You didn't know how to the Ainsworth in his multiple facets. No Way Way I mean I I just think we stuck to the core of hospitality and suck to the core of just trying to hire hire the best people we could. We could find at the time around us and understand that I always took the point of view of like you need to treat your restaurant and your bar and your experience experience like it's your living room so for instance Holidays coming up and you're having people at Your House you WanNa make sure that your house's super clean you want to make sure that the music is great that the lighting is great that the food is on point. You want people to leave your home and say well. I want to go back to dance. I want to go back to Brian's house I wanna go back because was if you could do that for your restaurant your bar anything. You're doing in life if you treat it like it's your home then. People will understand understand what you're doing so you started feeling that I make us top of mind but also community odd retire. We created the community of absolutely Boza cage. That does that what. What was you know you want to do it? I think we always have booty community the action steps. You took to building the brand of the answer. Well when you're building something that you know you have uh-huh vision right and you have an ethos that you try to stick to and that always changes it more than two different things you never know what is going to be but when we saw that the public was starting to you like we're doing and then one Saturday for Alabama. You have seven hundred people in line all the way wrapped around the street. You're like Holy Shit timeout guys. We have something special here. Sure we need to triple down on what we're doing and just make it that much better. I mean we lasted the bars. The restaurants are still going. You Know Ten plus years and it's like eternity here. Your New York's at its massive can continue to grow so I think you just need to sharpen your tools In you can't do it alone and as you know. The restaurant thrown industry is like a revolving door of employees. Sometimes but you need to find your key employees and keep them and make sure that they're happy And I think that's a really important thing for a lot of entrepreneurs entrepreneurs and a lot of people in business if you have good people you work for them. They don't work for you. That's a really tight the ability to sty size. WHOA is like it's so important that we are only as good as that tape right and our team is we propane position that are better than us? Say like Michael Jordan is arguably you believe the best basketball player of all time. Probably but if you didn't know you saw the same thing like Lebron James. Kobe Bryant if they didn't the supporting cast that they needed during those years. Michael Jordan Scottie. Pippin Denis Rodman are all these players they wouldn't have one Michael Jordan is great. Yeah but he couldn't do it alone. You have to have the key components as analogy men as huge and so then as you've developed now or had either these things and that's a lot like the talking like Charles Street Thousand Square feet have big signs. Were they originally was six thousand six. The big how many employees total now we recently. I've moved on from the Ainsworth Right. We can talk about that so in another thing I think entrepreneurs need to know is that nothing lasts forever so as you develop as a person just like as you create something it morphs and it doesn't always end up as it should be right. You have a vision and then it might morph into something else in that. Hopefully it's great so I've been doing this for fifteen years so there was a time in point joint like we spoke about before. Is that once. It starts becoming a job and once you start not really being happier enjoying it. It's time to find something new and I think I was getting to that point of just As my personal brand was growing as I was growing professionally as I was growing as a dad I started having kids and married zinc. It was time for me to shift often focus on stuff that I really WANNA do. I wake up in the morning and I think that was the way I wanted to start a new company called high performance lifestyle training and I think it was a perfect segue have a great career with Ainsworth. I wish them the best but You know I love to say that I started Sunday. Funday created the sophisticated sports bar. And I'll always have that on my resume but it's time now to focus on stuff I really enjoy doing. This is really important. And we're GONNA devastate your bright before into this relationship with these as for the first part of the episode. It's just that it is very young. It's very hard to start a business taking city. It's very hard style. Hospitality Business in New York City Eighty. It's very hard start. A business grow it and eggs and what you've successfully you know. It's you know when you leave something that you started order it's very It's scary sometimes in it. You know one day you have six hundred employees under your belt next thing. You don't go to family now and that's the most important thing. That's the only thing I it care about this thing. I ever really wanted to do anyway. So it's a perfect time for me to move onto the next phase of my life force memo without GonNa take a quick break and come back to more more by hedge penalty so my friends. The holidays is my favorite time of year. You get to see your family. Your friends sit along table. Eat some awesome food food. 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If you owe zine you'll block completely yeah I mean everyone says if you go on a trial or try out with soccer occur. All you have to do is score few score. Your trajectory is different in your looked upon as a different person right so you never know maybe that day if I scored one of those goals there would have been opportunity writing. It's it's just like ends with. This is definitely would have made a lot less money. But YOU'RE GONNA dream to pursue. That's definitely been a good story. It would enright bought. The fights. Reasons didn't have didn't happen and we're now human and I think I wanNA talk now on after exiting high-speed tape which will touch on definitely start actually with entrepreneurship because you doing his brand even Wellesley Ainsworth. When did you as you said you exited knowing that you ads brand that you wanted to continue had he known that's why I love this question because I feel like a lot of people truly do not understand that a nothing lasts forever and I always wanted to be in my mind said if the Ainsworth was ever taken away from me at any moment what are the people going to also know me as I think that's super super important right so a always only be recognized as a good person in a nice person right because having empathy for people who is great at showing kindness super super important and I always just wanted to be a good person? I learned that from my parents and my dad especially so as I was growing my as I was growing Ainsworth with brand always athlete in relatively good shape and then I started to change and I made a really big in decision in my life to stop op drinking and I did that. Just added the necessity of I hated waking up feeling a hangover but I created the Ainsworth and I was the party guy so is a big change for me to say. I'm I'M GONNA stop drinking. I'M NOT GONNA party anymore and I'm just going to focus mainly on health and wellness for myself and get in the best shape. Ikea possibly getting while I was doing that I started to see. I was making more money in other areas. I started to feel better. I started becoming person and everything just started to become way way better than I was just happier was it because you challenge yourself and other facets of one hundred percent You Know My dad had quadruple bypass oh I saw what he went through you and I was like. I don't want that to happen to me so I just started to take my life way more seriously. I also didn't want to drink because getting married and we were planning on having kids and everything and my dad didn't drink. I never saw him drunk. I don't want my kids ever see me being tired. I don't want my kids to ever see me fatigued or anything. I just want them to see me in the best form every single day. Like I'm sick right now right my kid one of my kids is really sick. I'm not sleeping But still I'm extremely dialed in on my fitness and like we spoke about my attrition should be better but I'm still at the point where not fatigued and I'm not tired so I can give them the vested. They deserve because as a kid. They deserve the best thinking digging it. Absolutely when you have when you have a child is now all about them on my that. Someone has businesses. It has a personal brand and has family in waft so with that inside that. Like I am Stu how do I put mine away. The year can perform that way and still want to be that leader. I think vulnerability is something we will shoot show As a leader but feel kid you never want to share that sought of Vom. You Never WanNa be less than hundred percent at them. Yeah I mean. They don't deserve that. They deserve to be Superman and I will do my best to always be like that for them. Challenge Tom Exactly. I mean you know. Luckily now as I've left and transitioned into a new the company I was solely me so I have my own hours more control the narrative lot more with what they're doing and being around but yeah my kids come first. My my family comes first with everything. So you know I always wanted. My Dad was a schoolteacher on. My mom was a hairdresser so my dad was my mom every single game and I I want to be at every single game I wanna be home for dinner I want to be the first one. They say even they wake up. And I've always been that way with my kids and I think that's super important and unfortunately not. Everyone has that ability ability because some schedules don't allow that doesn't say that. Make you a good parent or parents. Not True like we're both working parents. My wife is very busy but I I think that also allows you to when you have certain time with them to be more dialed in. And that's maybe more important than if you have so much time with your kids and your phone and all this stuff So yeah so I just want to be the best father possibly be I try to emulate. My father was with me. I know that it'd be very hard hard. 'cause he's unbelievable but I just want you know enjoying it. It's Super Fun and seeing them both grow ninety two boys so it's great a part of that and just shout out of your kid's name's it's Leo Luke and how that Leo is two and a half in Lucas five months. Wow so we're in. We're in the trenches slaving leaving or the process of exactly because but spa talking about energy. Owns being active. Look at yourself you'll receive pitman you pay only cover mental. 'twas huge man and I think that's pretty epic firstly from credibility perspective. But just knowing yourself being active and looking after yourself love is ultimately the why. You're going to help everyone else in your business if you don't love yourself enough you don't get me on love people so if you love your family you have to put yourself. Oh sure and I love that because you know the fitness world and instagram. And you know all your self bees and shirtless photos and everything. You can be portrayed in a different way but you have to love yourself and if you don't love yourself people know that and you're not going to build inspiring not gonna be able to be a leader inactive people follow you in a way that if you're spreading a positive message and I ah I sit down with my my two and a half year old every day and I make sure that he understands the love himself and I say you have to love yourself every day you have to protect your brother. It's super important for them to start getting that in their head because that you'll just that'll build the foundation for confidence and when you have your confident person you you can literally do anything you want to do. It's crazy he's crazy so with that being said you've exited business you'll see feel good about yourself enough to then stop business. Let's talk show like I said if I knew the Ainsworth was ever going to be taken away from me at any point in my career. I wanted people to know me as someone who was fit and someone who love health and moments you a softening athlete we actually soup reactive at our training. Yeah so I was fit but I wasn't where I am now and I just didn't fully understand the hard work ethic show And so as I was starting to train more and get more dialed in with my body and everything. I started to see crazy results and I was like really addicted to do all of that. Not just physically but the mental clarity of it and that's another reason why. Stop drinking so as I started to get fit and started getting more opportunities in health and wellness. Let's face it was really really great but it was also kind of a contradiction to what I was doing. The hospitality space created the twenty four karat gold wings that created the MAC and cheese Burger uh-huh and then like this fit guy so then that something had to give eventually but it was great as they were both on the rise so when it was time for me to leave leave and pursue a new career. I knew that I wanted to do something because I personally believe that. Everyone in general has the ability to be a high performer. Now now again. That doesn't mean having ebbs. It doesn't mean the fastest the strongest. That means what are you doing on the daily to be to be the best. You could possibly acidly be. So what is your routine however you eating how are you training. Are you a good person Blah Blah Blah and. I feel like that is the perfect mix in the pot in order to be successful in life it so when we created H. B. O.. T. We go out and get people in real life experiences with the best of the best people in the world. So it whether it's David Goggin whether it's Matt Frazier or whether it's you coming and speaking to the group like we discussed we want people to understand that what is your routine to make the top person in your career. Wise David Goggin is being able to do what he does. How is this athlete performing at this level year after year? What is their routine and people are so hungry for that because now it's kind of in vogue to be a high performer? It's now in vogue to be the best version of yourself to be kind. Maybe ten years ago it wasn't maybe it was a two day drink and party and spend money on bottles and pour it out. That's okay but I think this trend is going to last forever and it's won't even be a trend because people just I just WanNa be the best and they have access now they have access to me and social media you on social media. We're looking at Renaldo goal. Like we have access to all of all these things but I want to create in real life experiences now so if they follow you if they follow me they spend a weekend with us and they could see what we do to become the best. We want to be a hundred percent. What does highs peel staffel high performance lifestyle training? So it's all about that ability. I love the fact that we're Hobart Stein. FEMA fussing talking about that with what I do with athletes improving their performance through cooking nutrition. Right but why should we not. So we take that same concept and putting it into non athletes why is it ashby athletes. The only ones that get I mean it's a shame right. You walk down the street and you see a ton of unhealthy people and it's not just how you look on the outside but how you look in the inside right. My Dad had quadruple bypass surgery. He looked fine on the outside the inside he was disaster. So it's like. How do we fix all of this? And I think the proper steps surrounding these people. Aw with people like you. Surrounded with top athletes top businessmen women putting them around people that just have figured out what works for them and and then they just gravitate toward so. Did you just you just all of a sudden thinking one day. I wish I could help. People really say the best themselves like it was like you know my instagram. It's ton of positivity that my workout that's how I live my life my family. I'm an open book about it like I discussed you know. Oh the infertility issues. We've had as as a family and you know guys really talk about that because you feel like you're not a man. Don't worry I've been there and then now is one of the reasons why I speak about it so as helping people through instagram. And I don't know these people and that's totally fine because that's what I think it should really be four. I mean yeah we do our sponsored ads and stuff stuff like that. It's all part of the plan but I was helping people constantly and I said now now that I have the time to really put one hundred percent into this. How can I create a new brand brand new community for people to feel at home in order to grow it's not just through? Dm Now they have the ability to come to La to come to New York to come into Miami. We plan on rolling out a more and more so I just felt like it was the right time to do it. We have the resources we have the connections in again. It goes all the way back to hospitality right like I. I said in the beginning that you build your network here you build the people you're GonNa do business with I do. Business deals right now to this day to people that I would walk their bottles to their table. And that's what it is because I was that reliable guy I would check in on them. How was your night going? Do you need anything. And if they said yes. I Need X Y and Z X. Y. Z.. As fast as I could then was like a game for me I love it. I love seeing people happy in an environment that might not be so positive in the nightclub world but now that I'm translating that into the fitness tasting lifestyle space it just I get a smile and I can go to sleep. I extremely happy. This is Poisoning US quite lauper in the people constantly. Ah Say what's the first thing I should do an exit and while I cannot. Brian says accessibility issue done this really well and I mean I think the answer is very simple. Who but what is it that you turn around? This is what you need to do. I think there's but there's a lot of things that people need to but I think small wins every single angle day for someone you know people say how do I get shredded or how do I just get off my couch star and I said you know you have to put everything into perspective and you have to be realistic with goals especially especially in fitness. It's great to have huge aspirations and wanted to look a certain way or fuel certain way but like this didn't happen in a day this this is a. I'm playing soccer. Staying fit relatively fit since I was four thirty five and thirty five so all the years and I have a ton of miles of. I'm doing everything right so I think for someone needs to start anything. If it's a business or anything in life that they want to start start with small wins which will accumulate and to really huge victories. Also something I learned from that frazier during our last retreat is that he doesn't really have cheese manfried. WHOSE UPDATES doesn't really during in in season right so not phrases the cart four-time crossing came Shannon and which I thought was really unique and interesting? He looked at it was like if I have one bed meal. Oh he doesn't drink but if he was drinking and always if you count all of those in a month and accumulate that over a year that could be seventy he days of missed opportunities to grow. It's a great mindset right seventy bed meals holy shit. I'd seventy bed meals. Yes we're all human and it's it's fun to have your cake and sugar and pizzas. I do that too but if you WANNA be. That dialed in really see certain results. You can't do that so starwood to small win so you say you're needing to get fit Let's have pizza for this month. Let's not have cookies every night. Let's just cut that out. Let's start there. You'll you'll start seeing difference. A huge difference in what you're doing so that's super important and also nothing changes is if nothing changes and that's a trademark saying that trademark. That's great that's perfect because so many people do the same shit and expect different results in their life right. So Oh my God I'm hungover again. I why did I miss that workup. I don't know 'cause you drink drink the night before and you can't get up in the morning. I bet you if you don't drink that night before you will go to that workout so you have to change something in your life and I re evaluate my life every single day. My marriage is crazy and we're fighting and this and that I pull back I make herpel back and say what are we doing right now. That's making his both suck right and then you have to stop and I think people need to do that in all areas of their life like. If something's not working great you realize it's not working thing and I applaud you and and we can laugh about it. Knowledge fix it and do something different in order for work. Yeah definitely not recess. Nobody nothing like healthy you like is a is there a generic health and if you pull back and gone how like out of ten. How Am is person today? Like what do I do really well. Today will thrive fire. Let's guy and I think looking what you've done is simply hard work just always being available insistence. You can't lie to the person every morning in the mirror. Actually people look at themselves in the mirror every day. And they're lying there bullshitting themselves. They know it but they're just not ready to commit. Ah So another thing that's great about. HP Teas that we have certain seminars. In certain exercises that allow the brain to click on in in order for them to understand right. I had a great post today on instagram. Regarding communication and comprehension everyone always talks about communication. We need to communicate more really communicate more as bullshit. It's not about communicating. People can talk all day long but if the message I'm saying to you and you're not comprehending it is not communication just bullshit so I need to be able to speak to you in a way that will make your brain fuck and understand and click for you to be a better person person. And that's what we do really. Well we understand. This is what you have to do in order to grow and you can't coach in an all salutes the same. And that's the problem with a lot of coaches. They treat athletes. One Way. You need to treat. You need to treat fucking Rinaldo a little bit different. The nutri to Bala just have undoing right now. They'll probably be caught a little bit more aids massage a little bit more. But that's what's going to work for him and you can't treat everybody the same because the communication path is different you touched upon that individual's perspective is the same way that I look at food bio individualities so crucial so like we spoke about nutrition for races. Everyone's different everyone's different you. You'll call it unit of fostering I I trained my body this way for so long that during one of my races I overcompensated in another area in hurt me then when I did my half marathon in pr the half marathon. Recently I had a cup of coffee. I- Thanksgiving food in my belly was made sure I just hydrated like we spoke in the best one I've ever had in my life so it works different different for everyone but that just shows you that everything is different and you have to train one. Yes really really good point on that note we're going to head into a Second and final break and we'll come back touch on you'll have a quickfire coal Kodak getting out of that the team. 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Twenty three travel packs divided seventy nine dollars free. I'm a chef that fortunately Julie gets us how to improve cozy performance and his through the work that I've done if is beyond the saying goes one Ingraham once-off meant that. I have no problem saying that. A random stranger walking walking down straight would benefit from these pedigrees get involved legends. So I had a custom clothing company under the Ainsworth. What how would would like this lasers suits everything? It was awesome dude. That's the thing like we kept pioneering ideas. It was almost too many yet. 'cause you'd like how many things can you right like. I was like dude. We have this fucking space under the Ainsworth. Have about eight hundred square feet. Seven hundred. It's a little spice. Yeah I was like the speech under here. Well the under the probably the four thousand square feet extra extra cells. That guys like everyone kept. We've talked about this. This is a really great. Yeah like innovating in constantly creating people just like this is on no people or just like where. You're getting your shirt where you're getting your sue. How are you dressing like this and I had a Taylor up in Spanish Harlem so so I was sending him right so I was getting getting my custom stuff done because again hospitality back then was way different right? You couldn't go to the nightclub. Two thousand five to two thousand seven seven with sneakers looking how people dressed now ripped jeans how I like to dress now jerseys. Whatever you wouldn't get in back then you gotta have a suit back then you gotta dress shoes on dress pay like that's how the vibe was right so I was always dressing really well in custom clothes for my Taylor and Spanish Harlem? I was sending him so much business that I was like fuck. I'm not making any money off. This and I'm still paying full price for my clothes. So I had a buddy who worked at Ralph so scooped him up. I convinced my partner to let me create a brand called Windsor custom and I put it under the bar on twenty twenty sixth street so as a men's lounge bar we catered events for so many hedge funds and banks. So I would say you had a table at the angels for a two thousand. The minimum on a Thursday night. I'd have you come down and spend four or five thousand dollars with me downstairs. We'd make your suits and your shirts and then he'd go up so I would being you out and you'd spend end up ten thousand dollars every week on your corporate card. Maybe that was the best thing but hey it worked and talking about being flexible and honeymoon even so not only was either fit guy but I was the best dressed guy for you and we had the restaurants and it was busy in sports clothes and everything was just going so well unharmful table to tell you to say like you know whose inaugural and you'll be spot for. Hbo Don't which is Great. I know by the no guy is is my wife And it should be. She's you know she's amazing for my new business and she's so important for the new business on so many different levels but uh like I said we just said before like you. When is it enough when you're is there a point where like you're creating to Mitch to which it yet to pull back like reassess or reassess reassessed personally but in business you probably have ideas for your brand all the time also this? Let's keep doing that. You'll run out of money and you'll just. It just won't work so with her. I'm always like she always calls me. You're like my Konya. You hold these fucking crazy ideas but I need to be the one to be like no so I run all my ideas by my wife. I we ended up. I am telling the idea end up fighting about the idea of taking a break from fighting about the idea and then I'm like okay probably shouldn't do that. Let's scale back back and she's like okay. Do it this way and then you could do so. That's the hell she's my she's my business part that's great man. She's alive at Biz. That's right so we are uh-huh jumpstart anything because we would actually during the break actually talking and todd started filling. His Brian was just dropping bombs so just kept rolling so in fact from the break now. This man is actually a quick far around A. Don't talk more about. Hey how can people find more and what. What's what's the the twenty twenty so the twenty twenty so we're our next? Retreat is this February February Twenty Twenty in Los Angeles Twentieth through the Twenty Twenty third. Hopefully you can attend And then we're GONNA roll one out every quarter right. So that's the plan so people can find us on Instagram at HVAC training and on my personal instagram at Brian Mazza and on the website as well h field training dot com awesome. Yeah so you mentioned that if you're someone always looking for that way to make you so in that performance from that just that little bit with all actions to the best resources is definitely the theme for you. Speaking of best resources and best. I'm going to show you my sacred creamy cream. Lewis scrambled eggs momentum. Has Your I have as I said to you. I've tested a number of paper here and there one handed. Yes cracking vilis. He's no pressure lease editor shave. Women's health shutout is still acquaintances. She had no shells. No shells says a few things execution of the crack execution security of the release and the mclane pure just sold York represnents. I'm GONNA show you the first one right. Sorry getting taught so North Korean crack doc and then just like that. I'm usually too to hand type since the high usually crack. Mind on the pants straight in the scrambled and everything would saw. This is a safety. Says I can come over here. A Nice simple two hands spoke WPRO testing on the one hand. Let's hear what you have to. Where would you like to go straight there? You go yeah so you can use the back of your unique and shoot the crack. He isn't going to push. Stop forward like that. See See this that we have a clean crap and then position and then he micah shift here you got you got it guardian. Hardly Michelle those playing. Shall we got shelled. They're tiny island. Makes it for a crunchy. Exactly the best way to get the shell out of any egg situation. So He's actually use the biggest shell says the most never said I was a chef data ever but you did make it can shave. We did MAC and cheese serving. But if you fuck up Mac and cheese yes the situation tell us this as well for them so what we do now medium pad as we talk this talk through now. Please send a message to my wife. Because she does not do ever medium high she just goes right to like blazing then it's like extremities. Oh my God. I'm like please Longworth fucking Guinea. The what you read you mentioned good. It's just great. I like to cook so she she was telling you I took everything I I love cooking a good steak socially outside on the grill love chicken us. It makes. It's everything veggies. Stir fry good because the kids can eat it as well the kids pretty receptive to vegetables. Yes of course the Bryant a little bit like the hulk eats. This ought Spiderman while Judy right. That's right out of oil to the PAD Extra Virgin Olive oil by the title. Jeez and there were just whisking risking al eggs now is a ribbon y consistency. You want the egg the flow like a ribbon if it's clumpy it's still a little bit of scrambling to going. It's all get an awesome fluff. Actually the wrist all the forest. So Brian with your morning routine so my morning routine gene right now as of intermittent fasting. I'm I'm usually preparing food for the pack not offset. Yeah so Monday through Friday. It's a bit different just because of work schedules and everything. So I'm up between four thirty and five nights right now. I'm up like every hour on the hour because my son is sick but usually four thirty five in bed by eight forty five nine. I believe in going earlier is better and everything so Up early meditate coffee A black coffee black coffee. A little almond milk here and there. depends on the mood. And then right there just you know for me. I love preparing setting my kids up for success so first thing I do create their bottles also so they're bottles are waiting for them when they wake up. LEO USUALLY WAKES UP I. He's the older one so so you know I want him to come down and get him ready and you can have his bottle right away you know. I think a lot of parents unfortunately wake up when their kids get up or woken up by their kids. It's and then it's just mayhem so I like to be up so I have my own time. I saw in Leo's ready to come down. I'm ready for him to rock and roll gametime. Exactly that's also the bottles are prepared and then my wife is usually out the door before me. I can't so I see. It's all different schedules crazy you know sometimes four. AM sometimes it's seven or whatever and then you know. I take legal to school which I another thing that I've always dreamed of doing in continue that and then I usually get on noodle metro. North is to come in and train. Because where do you live. I live right outside of the city. I've lived in the city here from fifteen years and then got family and said you know since I'm not buying a three million dollar apartment smart smart time album exactly so epic. That's the morning retain so you were going to come back to the next question as we talk through what we're going to hear saw olive. Oil is science salt. Hey we're just going to apply in that whisk again and then straight into the Pan Eric's now this is This is a really cool moment when you have a scrambling what are you looking for is to part the ways of the says essentially so when you allow you should have a spatula special is really handy. And essentially looking for institute is actually part the ways the say so. Brian can say that. That's really cool. I actually do that. You also notice that the C- comes back can start to cry at. Its own little section for angles. Exactly point you looking to move everything to send as you do that and other by the way will go back to ask some of the The see was moved. And you continue to repeat that now what that does is it puts the uncooked softest indirectly in contact with the into direct. Hate right so something. That's on top and flooding does not get cooked. But when you pot the wise then trickles down onto the direct contact the frying pan which in turn cokes. Now doing this allows you to then create a very nice eighty residual hate as well. Because you don't have a service of direct tate and then on top which is called everything throughout his stunning get folded cooking it through residual hate so it's using its own hate and then when you're looking to do this is simply four. Scrambled is take is off the heat and a little earlier than you think. And that's just usually about Tommy Porno plight but Tom against your mouth because you then put some salt pepper on people you know kids talking about whatever it is exactly. Throw it on the floor. What you need to do is take account will still going to be cooking so it's still cooking now and too little bits to run on talk? But what I'm GONNA inducements she. Just take that and put it on the plight. So that's about what I'd say about a minute to thirty seconds and then only going to let arrests because now hostile cooking rod still cooking is still cooking slot and fluffy. It's GONNA season with some salt and pepper and that is simple scrambled eggs without any crane. There's still want fluffy and creamy because you've got little about running this. They're still coming through so we'll get stuck in that in a second but let's talk through I I use this term called controlling the controllable. You talk about changing. I'm when you can't change for me. It's all about control to control. What does Brian do every single day? That helps him control controllable. While I think you know in terms of how you treat people you are in control of that show absolutely or control of saying. Hey how are you. How's everything going here control of holding the door for somebody? You're in control of your taxi. Cab driver not being rude. Oh as usual no I. I think we're all humans in all have bad days. Sometimes it's more like are you really having a bad day or you're having a bad twenty minutes or an hour and sometimes it's really difficult and sometimes very easy to get wrapped up in it and very difficult to get out of that but I think we all are control of kindness and being nice to other people and I think if we continue to build that rapport in that routine of doing that being nice to other people you will entail be happier in the be. Nice yourself so I always say like in people invest in coming to HBO. Not Yes. It's great 'cause they're buying into my vision but it's also then buying into themselves to make that first step to become better better that's huge. And how much would you say your success is based on the fact of your skillset versus you. Just pay NAS person I mean. I think it's both both but as you saw today when I came down the steps off into the kitchen to fill the podcast of do one of my former employees that I didn't even know worked here. And it was like an amazing intro. Seeing I'd come I always wanted to be known in my company as the guy that someone could always come talk to the guy that that someone can you know. Vent to me about something Just be that type of figurehead and father figure in that sense. Where like you know every day is not gonNA maybe pancakes in Maple Syrup. Nathan is going to be great in. I had as many as a company But oh you still have to own your integrity and you still have to be a human and the people that work for you work for them. You have shot to be. Humans Dislikes Vulcan short in. Everyone is so caught up on being a certain way and having your life received a certain way and yes. It's easy to do that through instagram. And everything but like we're all human we all suck. Sometimes we're all great sometimes. It's just the common balance and that's just life so it actually nice and it comes round as well like it's it's interesting. How how small is well? It is and it just but you leave a good impression on your brand and who you are not intentionally used naturally people like we'll speak more about you and if you some NAS person so so if this is my favorite question loss so you've prime was food and ingredient a meal anything in life you know. What would eh one? I said I'd love to eat myself soggy but you know what would you I mean I might be biased by using my Italian heritage rich for food but I may be my mom's meatballs. I love the fact. Is Your Mom's Maples. Just make each on my mother that she needs to open like a food truck or little restaurant like three three tables. So you can manage it yourself Catholics. She's an amazing cook. I was fortunate enough to always have a home cooked meal every night with so good and I think united you'll make her come over and bring meatballs. That's man and I can like I remember number always growing up and she was like frying on the pan. She wasn't even in the in the sauce yet just like can't you have just ready ready all my edge of the Friday to it also says that what. What's the reason why? Because you know you feel I think you know it's crazy I I didn't expect to entice battalion just happy sharing to like I guess I've always watched my parents entertain at the house. I always saw my mom cooking for her heart and soul into the food for our family. So maybe I I was involved in it not even knowing right at so I never looked at it now in for some ever thought about it like just speaking about this again but like it was great to have have that environment of seeing my mom coke every night home. Cooked meals never really ordered another remember ever really going out to dinner maybe special occasions and everything but it was like six. PM Your home. You're eating in. This is what we do as a family. It's not always gonna be a great time. Their argument is GONNA be shit going going on but we're crew. This is what we do. We stick together and like our group text messages so insane every day. Because my wife always says your family's not normal like you guys are annoying you guys best friends. It's like it's not. You know what every life is like or every families like chill but I was very fortunate in it works for me. It works for a Mike. My family my brothers. My sisters my parents but I was very fortunate enough to have that. So my mom's meatballs definitely a staple of what it means to be one cohesive unit in a way as offset third. That's I love the family orientation Like food brings us all together. I mean listen like the world is short right like I could be hearing hit by a bus in. That does happen but like it could be rack right in. Your family is everything in the family's the most important thing in my opinion for people to really be happy right. I feel like if you have that foundation. If it's a good environment right right Vinnie's not everything if it's a shitty environment stating that in family by the end of the all of that should know a good positive family environment. It's the best I and you can grow that you could support each other and it just like you have an army. That's ultimate isn't a huge soup half and as you said it's the first thing can you generally think of when it comes to nodding so and bring us closer together and you said with your partner. Your lovely wife is your apartment. Because she's the person you can bouncing off and she's the one that that keeps straight as you and your kids might super inspiring. I'd like to think that you do all this and still run the businesses that that you've done and have an exit and then we'll just me but I wanNA preshave today. All getting swept session in yes happening. Eighty eight me after. Yeah exactly exactly no so we can obviously guys make sure you check out. Brian himself on instagram. which is at Brown Mazar? Isn't it Hey again was that. A each field trading yet high-speed training and then you don't see that on the website. Make sure you check out this podcast and share fee tagging brine line along the way if you came you macy's out of summit on the West Coast very soon and as always guys thank you for being part of Epi Wake we've made and tape. Check your thank you.

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Bonus Archival: Titanic Discovered (Sept. 1, 1985)


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Bonus Archival: Titanic Discovered (Sept. 1, 1985)

"The great went down after striking an iceberg, never trace was found that mystery was explained today, scientists and a miniature submarine made the discovery early. This morning Mark Gauge reports. The titanic sank on April Fifteenth Nineteen twelve from that day on scientists and treasure hunters have scoured the North Atlantic looking for the ship, but no one ever found even a trace of the massive eight hundred eighty four steel halt until today at two o'clock this morning. Dr Robert Ballard leading a scientific expedition on board, the research ship not found wreckage two and a half miles below. We came on it. IT BANG! There was right on top of it right through the whole. Debris field with. The. Twenty minutes. The British owned passenger ship was the biggest and most luxurious of its time. It carried the cream of North American society. It was also fast, but that proved to be a major factor in the ship's destruction. The captain ignored warnings that he was sailing straight into a field of ICEBERGS. The ship was travelling at full speed twenty five knots, then about four hundred miles off you land after only five days at sea, the titanic hit an iceberg at tower, three hundred foot Gash in her side, the mighty ship went down and less than three hours more than fifteen hundred people died only seven, hundred and thirteen survived. Today they found the wreckage. Over Court oiler? Straight out of all book. and. There's a it's just a huge area, so we decided we would often get above it. All were forty seven people on this latest expedition, scientists and technicians from all over the world. The research ship, nor found the titanic and pieces of field of debris, five hundred meters long and three hundred meters wide lies on the ocean floor. But researchers say the real work begins now at this point. They don't know what state or position. The bulk of the ship is any. Art Extra react. then a coming down offer that to realize that we had found the ship for fifteen hundred people had died. A lot of us who had researched it for so many years the titanic taken on more than a shipwreck and say it was a true. Disaster and to finally put the draft was. A Very I feel. Ships bolts are believed to contain millions of dollars worth of gold diamonds and other precious jewels, but the people who found her have no intention of raising the ship. They intend to ask the United Nations to declare an underwater memorial search organizers considered the discovery of the titanic, the biggest find of the century. It'll take months. Perhaps even years before the exploration team completes the underwater investigations over the next few days. They'll be pictures of the titanic from the ocean floor. Glimpse of the past as she finally surrenders or secrets from a watery grave. Mark Gauge. Saint John's. From ABC this is world news tonight with Peter Jennings good evening. There is no more famous shipwreck in the world and the discovery of the titanic in the Atlantic off the coast of Canada has been the dream of countless deep sea explorers. We'll thanks to an American French team. It is no longer dream. Here's A. B.. C.'s Bill Blakemore. Seventy three years ago in April of Nineteen twelve when the titanic set out on its maiden voyage from England to America, it was the largest ship yet built eight hundred eighty two feet long, and its owners bragged unsinkable, but on April twelfth that hit an iceberg in the dark, and quickly disappeared until this week. When a French American team pinpointed it on the ocean floor, the titanic was found some three hundred seventy. Seventy miles south of Newfoundland two and a half miles down where there's no lights, no plant, life and freezing temperatures sonar from a French research ship I located the wreckage then to confirm it was the titanic, an American navy ship sent down a new unmanned diving sled called the Argo outfitted with computerized cameras to a five hundred meter, long field of debris on the ocean floor. It immediately spotted the titanic's distinctive boiler. In only two and a half hours at disappeared along with fifteen hundred people only seven hundred lived. Survivor Ruth Blanchard was a twelve year old watching from one of the lifeboats. Rights for all on. The rose five or six rolls. Where people were standing, looking over the rail. And while I suppose they were waiting for somebody to take off to rescue. It became instant legend some said there was a fortune in jewels on board along with high society names like Astor Guggenheim Straus. Whether it will ever be even possible to now raise. The titanic is not clear, but survivor. Eva Hart who was seven traveling with both her parents would not favor it. I say because to me. It's father's grave. And I want I don't ever want to see the titanic again I don't want to see it raised whether or not it ever can be raised. Lawyers are now to determine who owns the sunken ship and any valuables on board Bill Blakemore ABC News New York. This afternoon I talked by ship to shore radio with the chief scientist on the Titanic Expedition Dr Robert Ballard. Have you actually seen the hull of the Titanic Standing Upright as it's been reported over? What. Kind of condition does titanic over? Me In perfect condition. One would expect that given the fact MRI. And extremely potter at. All an entire. Environment of high hype renovate over. Do you have any plans to try raising the titanic over? Ridiculous now absolutely not. fact, I would like to. ECHO and try to ensure that desecration. Mehari on. Hundred. And left the way. It is over us there any possibility you might try to raise the cargo over. How Kathleen the then it would be economically wise AH. Don't WanNa do that at all and I. Don't want to contribute Danny undertaking over this. Far As you're concerned, the titanic should remain where she went down over. trying. To capture nothing to gain. And I think that. Hip like this Sailor of many years gonNA. Leave it where it is, it's. been located. They're fine where they are. Until, this photograph for seventy three years, what happened when the titanic hit him had been a mystery here her bow, as it looks today, the railing around it along which millionaires strolled on its maiden voyage is still intact, but below there is a giant bulge where the double steal whole considered impregnable by its designers, buckled and broke when the ship plunged into total darkness of a deep ocean Kanye. One of his research ship two and a half miles above the liner, the expedition's director Robert. Ballard described the images. Historians have waited nearly three quarters of a century to see how. Beating all the damn mic. was done to the bow in the part of the bow the iceberg head. Lincoln rookie had. As a good thirty to fifty eight remote controlled robot sub its cameras aboard then moved from the side of the titanic up to directly above the ship and more pictures. Being fifteen is very to the I can file and a little math visit Connie Ward, who kid T- that they play and the boilers, each the size of the two car garage by the side of the wreck. Ballard is now sure what happened when the titanic hit bottom. And Roars through the bow when the ship went, VERTU corner broke loose. How everything they way? We're still thirteenth for this term. We can't find it. Does appear to be disconnected research for the rest of the titanic can continue only until week's end when the research ship leaves for home port ahead of the North Atlantic winter storms Terry drinkwater CBS News Saint. John's Newfoundland. Hey this is Matt schrader from blockbuster. You're listening to some of the archival news. Reports of the finding of the titanic in September nineteen eighty-five. The breakthroughs from this discovery set in motion. Things that years later will deeply inspire. James Cameron just then about to cross the Atlantic himself on the way to go direct his next film aliens in London. This bonus episode contains several of those original news reports that confirmed how the ship sank, and the chaos over who has the right to the millions of dollars, a valuables that sank with it a question. James would explore in his film a decade later with Bill Paxton. As the deep sea ocean explorer like Robert, Ballard will return with some news reports that interviewed some remaining survivors of the titanic and some clips from a nineteen eighty-six documentary. That featured Dr Robert. Ballard right after this. Everyone match Raider here and before we get back to the show. 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My mother used to go to bed in that ship because she had this premonition. surly based on the fact that she said that decay vessel. Singapore was flying in the face of God. If the titanic were around today it would be doing package tours to the Caribbean the world that went down that starry night featured a jet set, that sailed the Seas Gentlemen who dressed for dinner and offered women and children. Their places in the lifeboats imagine. There have been other disasters. The sinking of the titanic was the granddaddy of them all. It was a preview of coming attractions in way was premonition of the first World War. It was a sign that an era was coming soon and. and it. Made people have the consequences of excessive confidence titanic a civilization that is a dangerous world. We live in that. There are icebergs lurking in the night. It brought many fears to the surface, but what about the titanic itself was fifteen hundred souls down. I would agree with should be looked worse. Look at it. Dream about it, but don't touch. The titanic was the ship that sailed likely off into the night and was never seen again until this week. Bob Simon CBS news scientists on board. The research ship which found her, said today. It is so nice to see it. Like finding all. The discovery has also raised a whole range of questions and we begin with Bill Blakemore. A., thousand miles east of New York scientists aboard the US Navy research ship are now looking at large sections of the mass grave called the. Titanic. The steel-plated bow picked out by strobe lights in the icy water more than two miles down the bowel railings at which passengers stood trying to decide whether to face death, but how? A ghostly window, looking straight out from the bridge where Captain Smith's officers finally saw the iceberg too late. The bow section shows definite signs of damage from the iceberg from hitting bottom from the crushing pressures at this depth. Final mysteries of the titanic are just beginning to come into view next the scientists hope to produce pictures of the stern section. Latest radio reports from the ship described cases of wine bottles and totally undamaged. That's scientists at the viewing screens and the research ships control room are lost in the details of silent ship which sank with fifteen hundred people seventy three years ago. Bill Blakemore ABC News New York. For seventy three years, no one has given much thought to who owns the wreck of the titanic, but Tom Button in London. Tonight reports. All that has changed. It was assumed the titanic would never be seen again. When the great ship went down on its maiden voyage in one, thousand, nine, hundred twelve, but the possibility of raising it is now being considered. Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it. Before. That happens. They'll have to settle the question of who owns the titanic now today. The Commercial Union Insurance Company of London Dugout. It's files for one thousand, nine, hundred twelve. It paid the original owners White Star Line's five million dollars for the loss, but it doesn't own. The rack doesn't know who does so it could well be doesn't belong to anybody. The British Shipping Company Canard says it didn't take over ownership of the wreck after buying out White Star Line's years ago, so it isn't bears either. At Lloyd's of London. One of the member firms discovered today it had been part of the original syndicate that insured the supposedly unsinkable liner, but the rougemont firms fifty thousand dollar loss was long ago written off and forgotten. I think that the ANDROID. Donald you. It's worth very much anyhow do. As long as the titanic remains on the bottom none of the hard headed businessmen and the city of London is showing much interest, but the minute there's a real prospect of salvage. There's likely to be a flood of claims. Tom Fenton, CBS News London. Titanic. She was launched on May, thirty first nine hundred eleven. She was the largest the grandest the most luxurious vessel afloat. But newspapers called her the wonder share and the million is special. Owners predicted the safest transatlantic crossings when she left Southampton on her maiden. Four days later on April Fourteenth Nine, hundred twelve titanic hit an iceberg and sank. More than fifteen hundred passengers and crew died. The unsinkable ship disappeared beneath two and a half miles of water. Never to be seen again, so they thought at the time. At the southernmost tip of Cape Cod woods hole home of the woods hole, oceanographic institution, one of the US as leading research centers into the science of the world's oceans. Clyde. How are you barter heading the institutions deep submergence laboratory? Dr Robert Bella. I think what's really exciting when you go down beneath the sea. And you drop to three hours to get to the bottom of the ocean. And you turn on the lights and you look out your windows. You're the first human being ever see what you're seeing. And, so you don't know what there's a thrill. There's an excitement about you and I. Turn this corner. Thomas for waiting for me. And in fact in a way in nineteen, seventy seven, when we discovered these exotic animals office, I is exactly that we ended up a lost world. And they're worms. That were ten twelve feet tall, and you cut them, and they bleed blood blood like humans. Clams foot across and. Very bizarre animals living in this OAC, so it was very much like coming upon lost continent, and that's pretty exciting. Exciting it might be. But submarines like this whenever a truly efficient way of exploring the deep ocean floor very physical. Freezing the whole time. Start out very hot, and by the time you get done. The your teeth are chattering. All bundled up? It's hard on you. respiratory illnesses set in very easily You know it's harder and harder for person as I get older and older to stand up at the end of the day. Your body's crunched up. It's not ideal. In one, thousand, nine, hundred Ballard began to develop unmanned search system as part of the US Navy's Deep Ocean Research Program. Kita the system was a vehicle. He called ARGH. ARGH, oh, carried video cameras and sideways scanning Sonar, which could profile the surrounding terrain. Onboard Argo. He planned to small robot. He called Jason. An exercise which Ballard has adopted the term Tele presence, real tele presence should fool you. Into really thinking you're there. In other words, the ultimate goal and being facetious as if the shark swam by your vehicle, you might have a heart attack. Now. You've really got tele. Presence worked out. It's where you. Convinced yourself you're there. And that you'RE IN A. Submarine Looking at windows. And we'll be in that state within the next few years, those were excerpts from the nineteen eighty-six television, documentary titanic, the nightmare and the dream, which is available in full on Youtube, and in just a moment, the top secret government backstory which was declassified that led to Dr Robert. Ballard's discovery of the titanic in the first place right after this. Hey guys match raider here and it's not the nineties anymore. You have no excuse to be wearing clothing. That doesn't fit if you find. Most of your outfits are too long to short too tight, too loose Indochino is here to make your life a whole lot easier. They make high quality, custom, suits, shirts, coats, and more all for a perfect fit at a great price, and you get to customize everything from the fabric lining to the lapel. Shave and Monogram the choices all yours your. Your clothing is then made to your exact measurements, so it fits you perfectly. 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I'm. Mike working. Can you hear okay there you go? Great to be here and. What I'd like to do is sort of walk you through our journey in the exploration of the titanic of past present and some thoughts about the future I grew up in San Diego and fell in love with the ocean. I my passion was to be captain. Nemo, that's what I wanted to be. It was a wonderful series of coincidences that as an army, intelligence officer during Vietnam I ended up in the United States Navy still don't know how that happened and I was signed to this deep diving submarine. At woods hole up the street in Massachusetts and we began the development of this technology twenty nine years to get us to where we are now down at the lower campus, but my first application of this technology. Was the search for the titanic. Now. The problem was I couldn't get anyone to fund it. You, know so I went. Having served in the United States Navy I cut a deal. With the Navy and said well actually. We developed your technology navy sponsored. The development of this technology says we have a reason for developing this technology. We have some things we'd like you to do for us. and. The classified I'd have to kill you back then, but I can tell you now because they declassified everything, but not everything, but that but my real mission. That summer. In nineteen seventy five was not defined the titanic. That was what I wanted to do. But my mission for the Navy who was paying the bill was to explore two submarines that we lost during the Cold War The thresher and the Scorpion. And both of these nuclear submarines went down with all hands, and in the case of the Scorpion actually went down. With nuclear weapons. We don't like leaving those things around. And so my job was to actually tracked down and map these submarines and locate those nuclear weapons, but we didn't want the Soviets to know that we were doing this. We didn't want to say just follow us, and we'll lead you to some of our weapons systems, and so the titanic became the classified cover. Now the funny thing was. Was the Pentagon was furious when I found the titanic, because they said no, you weren't supposed to find it. You're supposed to just talk about finding it. And that was quite a day in the Pentagon, when I discovered, the titanic in the earring was buzzing with that discovery, but identity learn something very important about the thresher in the Scorpion. That led me to finding the titanic. And that was the both of these submarines tragically imploded on their way down. Once they pass their collapse step. They went off like bombs and all of this debris came. Rolling out of both submarines. But instead of landing straight down in a in a circle on the bottom. The heavy objects like the nuclear reactors or the forward torpedo room, or whatever that went straight down because it was so, but lighter material was carried by the current and lead to a tremendous long debris trail. And that gave me the idea because see the previous when we did this the research on the titanic! All of us. I was the fourth attempt to find the titanic. There were three other groups actually. Three other groups for other times that went out to search for the titanic, and we all had the same database with we all knew the story of the titanic sinking, and we all went into the literature, and we all looked at all the California, and the titanic, and the CAR Pathein and we all of us looked at this database, and they give you a sense of scale. That's about ten miles right there, so that's ten twenty thirty forty miles now. That's a big piece of real estate. Also, not only was there a lot of uncertainty? No one believed that the titanic sank where it said it sank when it sank. Is You know at send out? I send out? It's a cute come quick distress signal. But it was the first ever send out an S O s, but it gave that location, and you can see why all the ships came to that location, because that was what they reported to where they were, none of us ever believed that the titanic was here because it hit, the first iceberg ran into. So, we all bleed that it sank on the eastern side of the Icefield and it was actually the car pathein the became the critical piece of two critical pieces of information in figuring out where the titanic went out number one was the Carpathia the carpathos had actually crossed. It was going the opposite direction that night it left New York and it was on its way to England when it received the distress call, and it turned and headed towards the reported position, but encountered the lifeboats here. That was a critical piece of information, the other critical piece of Of Information was the ship that didn't do anything the California that sat on the horizon, and did not respond to the titanic's distress calls, but what we got from its logbook was the drift of the current that night on burying of one seven, zero at a speed of point seven, not so we got the bearing of the Labrador current and it speed, and that became critical in our hunt, and I'll explain that to you in a second, but this was basically the search area that all of us had a hundred square miles with the lifeboats coming here. So that was the search area the titanic the problem was running through the search area was a submarine Canyon. So we had a deep canyon running through it, so it's like. Losing it in the Grand Canyon a very different search strategy than out in a parking lot. So now we have a possibility that titanic could be hiding in a canyon. Now the traditional way to search for anything was to do what we call side Scan Sonar. Okay and the idea of a side scan sonar. Think of it as if you were mowing the lawn. A side scan sonar looks out to the left looks out to the right, and it goes along and Muslims so think of that as this is my blade of my sonar, and then I turn around, and I overlapped my tires, and I just mow the lawn back, and forth back and forth until every blade of grass is cut. The problem is is when you introduce a canyon. You have to do tighter lines because there could be a shadow zone here. The titanic could be hiding up against the wall of the Canyon not seen by the Sonar, so it'd have to come in with another one tighter in which makes it even more lawn mowing. So instead of mowing one hundred percent of the grass, you have to one hundred fifty percent of the grass, so becomes very laborious search pattern now our partner in this discovery, where the French there actually were supposed to find the titanic when I teamed up with the French, I knew that previous searchers had sixty days to find the titanic. And I knew that by the time I finished my military operations I would only have twelve days, so I only had twelve days when my competition had sixty so invited the French to help me find it, and they were supposed to find it and I was supposed to film it. And so they had one of the again one of these side scan sonars, and they went out, and they began mowing the lawn now. The reason I'm standing here tonight. Talking about the discovery, titanic is because on the first line. The French. Went South and the wind and seas push their ship slightly to the south. and. They missed the titanic on their first line by two hundred meters. All right. Thank you very much should. So. And then they naturally mode along, and never got back to that little sliver. That's where the titanic ended up with I'm jumping forward a little, so so they did a lot of work, but then when they didn't find it, we got really nervous. We thought Oh. My Gosh, so we enlarge the search box and now became a hundred and fifty square miles. With, half of it done, but we. They had sixty days to make that we had twelve days. And so I had to come up with this other strategy. And that strategy was instead of looking for the ship I would assume that the titanic broke in half, which was a gamble because Walter Lord's book, a night to remember headed thinking and one in one piece, but an eyewitness said it broken have Jack Player and I went with him because it. Fit what I needed to break an ass I gambled, and I said well. If if the titanic broke in half, it would have done the same thing. The thresher and Scorpion done is all the stuff would have come out. The boilers would have gone straight down. The bow would have gone, but all this other stuff would have gone trailing away. And so instead of looking for the titanic. I looked for its trail is if I was photographing a deer in the winter and is hiding in the woods, you look for its footprints in the snow, and we went slicing through and sure enough on our nine. We're running out of the on our ninth run. We came in on the debris field. And this was the same place that The convoy routes during world, war two years later, and they sunk a lot of ships. The Germans did so. We actually expected to find other things came in on this debris feel. We didn't know. But then we came over. The boiler! And we had a picture of that boiler on the wall. And we knew we had it, and then we walked it up and came in on the bow. But that year we made a complete mosaic ship. and. We made a complete mosaic. The ship published in National Geographic magazine. The full video of Dr Robert. Ballard speech on. The titanic discovery is available on the University of Rhode Island's. Youtube Channel and a few years after titanic's discovery, it led to a documentary from Al getting an underwater cinematographer who would later work hand in hand with James Cameron on their dives for the biggest motion picture of all time. Thank you for listening to this special archival episode of Blockbuster.

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115: Seeking a Rational Path to Happiness with Clinical Psychologist Dr. Ellen Kenner on the TalentGrow Show with Halelly Azulay

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115: Seeking a Rational Path to Happiness with Clinical Psychologist Dr. Ellen Kenner on the TalentGrow Show with Halelly Azulay

"What distinguishes the rational basis of happiness from how other people use the word happiness or make happiness goal incorrectly. I think that people just go by failing. They say I want to feel happy, and that leaves out the fact that you end up with Ananta Leist feelings as your guide and Ananta lies feelings could still feel delicious. But they you don't get the data from them. So you need to do what you were talking about earlier you need to interest back and ask yourself. What do I love? What would make me happy in the main areas of my life career, romantic partner, family and friends, and you only need family who are friends. You don't you can keep boundaries between those who are not too friendly. And you want to be very selective with family and your hobbies and interests. Welcome to the talent roadshow where you can get actionable results. Oriented, insight and advice on how to take your leadership communication and people skills to the next level and become the kind of leader people want to follow your host and leadership development strategist Elali. La, welcome back talent growers. Glad that you're here. For another episode of the talent Roche, oh, I'm leli as lie. Your leadership development strategist, your talent, grow and this week on the podcast. I have a licensed clinical psychologist and a radio host. This is Dr Ellen Kenner, she is going to share with you a story about a mean boss, and what to do in that case. She's going to help you think about are you in the right career and ways to right the wrong. If you're not with a great story that she shares about her son, which then leads me to share a story about my own early career miss choice, perhaps where I would. Would be doing any of this. If I had followed my early career aspirations as I probably should have. But hey, here we are. We also talk about how to be happy in a rational kind of way. So I really really look forward to your checking out this interview with Dr Ellen Kenner on the talent show. Here we go. Salom growers this week. My guest is Dr Ellen Kenner. She's a licensed clinical psychologist, she received her BA from Brown University and her PHD from the university of Rhode Island. She's a host of the syndicated radio show, the rational basis of happiness in two thousand eighteen this show began its twenty first year, which is so amazing to me and is heard on stations coast to coast. She has interviewed many prominent authors and has appeared as a guest on radio and television. She and Dr Edwin lock co authored the selfish paths to romance. How to love with passion and reason a guide for finding a nurturing romance inspired by the ideas of Iran's. And if that name sounded familiar, doctor, Edwin lock was my guest on episode ninety five so you heard in there. Couple of key words, like romance, which will not really be our foremost topic today, but happiness, which is always very interesting. To most people in a professional career Ellen. Welcome to the show. Thank you. And I didn't ask you this. But is it? Okay. For me to address you as Eleanor. Should I call you Dr Kenner? Oh, no, absolutely Ellen. Okay. Great. I'm really glad that you took the time to join us today before we start to think about how listeners can become happier. Have better workplace relationships thinking about their career in lots of other topics related to that. We always ask our guests to give us a brief description of their professional journey where did you start? And how did you end up where you are today? Oh, I started it, you know, it's a child I wanted to be in the theater, dancing and singing and Broadway musicals. And then then I love the French language and wanted to be a French interpreter. And I didn't re- I went to biology and started in French. But I realized that it was incredibly boring at this is crown university incredibly boring there, and I realized that it was. Wasn't French itself that I fell in love with even though I love for language. It was the content my high school French teacher was having us read philosophers and the questions that they raised with full fascinating. So from there if Brown I actually veered off a little bit and got my degree in biology, and I worked in a lab where we were studying regeneration of different tissues, and I bear it again. This is a circuitous course. Wow. And I worked at a child research laboratory at Brown University. I was working in the hospital with day, all newborns and six month old all the way up to six months old. And then I said, I know my dad's always wanted me to work in his business. Even if you does and directly say anything, I feel pressure. I should give it a shot. So I went into handbags design and making patterns for him bags, and I knew I didn't belong there. But I didn't know how to extricate myself because. If it's a family business, you feel some application in some respect for your parents. And had I not read two books that really turned my life around, and you could probably guess what they are. But the fountainhead and atlas shrugged by nine rand and add reading them. I realize I had never clearly identified what I wanted to do. And I had never given myself permission to formulate it, clearly and to think that I could pursue it. So that's how I turned my thoughts to psychology and the dramatic change that I saw myself was amazing. So I know I'm talking about this a lot. I don't know if L pause for a minute just, and I can tell you where I went from there. But that was my early history. I'm very inspired. And and pretty amazed by it because it sounds like it was covering so many different topics in so many. Different areas. It's it's amazingly I'd like to do a whole show just on this now. Right. Well, it was very securities. But when I found out what I loved I studied harder than I have head ever studied in my life. And I was very good student from my graduate record exam because I wasn't a good test taker I ended up doing phenomenally well on them, and then they set realistic expectations. I wanted to go back to grad school to get my PHD, and I told myself, it's okay to get rejected five years in a row because I'm coming in as an older student, and because it's just difficult to get into the program. I wanted a PHD program. I did get in my second year the first year, I didn't. And I called up ask them. What could I do differently for next year? So just by having that mindset of five years, I gave myself five years to get in instead of feeling rejected. It was just oh what could I do differently? And they said I needed experience. So I got experience I worked in a psychiatric. Hospital. Very good one in Rhode Island. And I got tremendous experience and ended up getting accepted and actually the day. I got my interview my very young daughter was in the kitchen with me. And I was so elated I was jumping up and down and carrying her and dancing around the room. So the chief men of very hard value is so rewarding. Then I would ask for with it. Then I went got my PHD. And then I taught it to at the college level to different colleges, I taught psychology and at conferences, and then my husband helped me start a radio show and fast forward. I wrote a book with Dr Ed lock on romance. How to love with passion and reason? That's a very quick tour through my life. I know it's it's always a challenge when you come to a seasoned person and ask them to encapsulate their entire career in into short story. But especially when you've had so many, you know, very kind of way marks along vac. Yes. Well, it also is I personally, I think it's inspiring and helpful to people to hear that there is not from point a to point B. And if you've done something different there's something wrong. I love so many elements in your story that that show that you know, you interest backed when you come to a certain part in your journey, and you you say, well, how does this field to me is it satisfying? And my in what I set out to accomplish. Is that using my strengths? And what else could I do or how could I do this differently than you just set goals and go for it? So it's never too late. And you can always it to a different place. Right. That's exactly right. So I know that in your radio show. Oh, you have a feature where people can call in and ask questions, and I looked at the amazing listening. Goodness me. Twenty one years is just incredible. So you've had all kinds of topics and all kinds of questions talent growers know that our show is very focused on things that they can use as they're growing their own leadership and workplace success in career success skill. So for us it'll be a little bit challenging to narrow down from that broad expertise that you built. But I know that lots of times busy and successful professionals reach out to you in questions in seek your help on things that relate to challenges that they have in their workplace communication in their workplace relationships dealing with conflict building trust and so forth. What are some of the biggest challenges that you've seen people may that they experience in the workplace, I think they chose wrong. I think they didn't know how to allow themselves to. To enjoy a career. So they stayed with a career. They didn't like so that's one category. And I would say that the the biggest that they feel locked and they can't change. There are others their anger management issues from both sides. I've had clients have come in. And they know that they're too controlling and to their credit usually people who are controlling don't seek therapy. They think they're writing to think the other people are always to blame. Right. But they would learn anger management issues and really respecting the autonomy of others not trying to micromanage everybody. Another problem that I've seen is coworker issues. Co-worker issues can range from envy, I actually worked with a co worker who was not envious of me, but she was envious of the people that worked directly under her. She was a terrorized them. And that was that was very difficult and they were clueless. They didn't know what hit them they unfortunately, suffered a lot of self doubt and unearned ills because of her wow to recency effect. But let's focus on that one. Because it sounds okay. A terrible and intriguing at the same time. So what did you suggest to her or what did she end up doing to fix? It was she wasn't to clients. Every fact that that that example, was someone that I when I worked at the infant live. Actually, we worked with infants and we would have young college students who are very bright that Brown University students come in as researchers since and why don't they had to do was to hold a nipple in baby's mouth for a half hour and time and time again, I worked there for three years. So I would see her rotate through the different people. And she goes, they don't know how to hold the nipple she would take small little things and just pick on them. And they did know how to hold the temple nothing wrong with it. She and she just would attack them, but she was not. Educated. I think she was very envious. She was a Maine woman. She had use laughter is a weapon, you know, mocking people rather than as a joy to celebrate some fun thing. And she just she was mean, and when I finally had the courage. This was before I myself had a lot of self confidence. When I finally had the courage. I spoke to my boss. My the professor that hired me about her. And he says, you know, I always suspected, but it was too little too late for the people who had been abused by. But having an abusive boss is something that, you know, people have come to see me for two and sometimes it's abusive just verbally sometimes they want to cross the line and have a sexual relationship, and that you know, how you need to hold should distance there. So those are some of the issues. So I know that you can't give the entire therapy session that you. Do this folks. But what are some of like, maybe one or two of the suggestions, you would give to someone feels like their bosses abusive? I think they I need a lot of self empathy. They need to see that. It's not fair that other people in their life who they valued treat them, very well. And if their boss is unfair, they need to name exactly what the boss is doing because it helps them anchor the way that the boss is hurting them. Like, maybe the boss is making threats or they are laughing at them or they giving them contradictory instructions or they're expecting way too much of them. Maybe way too much of the time. They expect them to work on weekends. When the boss knows they have a family, and they didn't sign up for working on weekends. And or the boss taking credit for something that they did. So we can name those things. And then if they have it assertiveness skills, they can't go up to the boss and use what's called finger-pointing language. You. Like what you always you never think appointing hand global always. And never someone said to me you always. You can fill in the blank. Yeah. If they said, you're you're even if it's a positive if you know, you always do everything, right? It's insincere it doesn't fit. I think of the times when I didn't do everything. Right. So if they can name what it is. They can go up to the boss and say, I they can say what they noticed for example. I noticed you told me to come in on weekends. I recall telling you that that's not feasible with my family situation. Let me know how we can work with this. So my weekends a free. You know, would you do need someone else do need you might give some suggestions? Or just let the blessed give you some suggestions at that point. But you can face them with it rather than just gritting your teeth and going in on the weekend and hating your boss hating, your job and just being really frustrated around your kids feeling guilty around your kids 'cause you wear with them. So yeah, giving you contradictory information. You can just name it too. Them. You know, you told me that project a is your top priority. And then you came in and said as your top priority. What would you give me some guidance? What would you like to need to work on first? And if they say both of them both done in the next hour. It's like that's not possible. Could you help me? You know, I want to focus on what your priority is. So you try to work with them. You know, you give them the benefit of the doubt at first. But if they're chronically this way, what would you suggest if this is your boss, and they're chronically manipulating you or picking on you or abusive where would you suggest that's not my situation. But I totally agree that you should try to speak to the person, you know, like a lotta times bright, they're not aware or they could fix it. But if they're unwilling to change once you've tried talking to them, and if you give it your best shot than I would say, the next choices you have to change your situation. You're not in the next. Absolutely, right, right. You can choose the situation you enter so you can either go to human resources and see if he could transfer to a different area in your workplace if that's not feasible. You know, start the process of looking for a new job and new career or see what your networking is like, maybe you could you know, other people in the same career that could give you a new job. That's right because life is way too short to be miserable or to be abused. They want to recognize this is not working, and I need to cut my losses. I wanna give real quick attention to the other two topics that you mentioned too. So you said the most common one was wrong career. And this is something actually just recently. Also had a doctor Steve Oman the show, and he also is, you know, a psychologist like you. I think actually you had him on your shows. Well, so he talks a little bit about how people can change career. But what do you typically sue? Suggests the people who feel stuck because I know I talked to people who feel like they're sort of. They've got the golden handcuffs on you know, they've got a mortgage. They've they they have other. Right. So I how could I just throw it all to the wind and try something where I'm going to go back to the bottom of the totem pole in some new career track and make a small amount of money or I'm gonna start a business on I might not make any money. So it seems impossible. So they just they end miserable. Right. So you do have to take everything into context if you have a mortgage, and you have a family, I mean that factors in and you may need to stay at the current job while you're planning an exit strategy, you know, further on down the line. But sometimes I would love to tell the example of my son who went wrenches school and wanted to be an architect initially, and then got into civil engineering, and then shifted to management engineering, and he found he was very good. Admit in management engineering. He could set up businesses from soup to nuts on the computer and integrate everything. And so he's tried that career. And what started what he was noticing? He's a very gregarious fun loving kid and as a management engineer. He got a very good job because the whole golden handcuff for a company that was paying well he could rise in the company and make an excellent living. You know, all of all the trimmings with their and he discovered that it was very lonely that he's not that type of person, and he would be sent to Winnipeg Canada or around the United States to setup businesses and integrate them. And even though he was very good at it. It wasn't within his personality it didn't fit so on weekends. He would come home, and he would dance he brought him dancing just as a hobby. He and then he started entering competitions. And you got a wonderful mentor or coach and he kept winning with her. She was actually asked to be on dancing with the stars second season as a professional, and she said, no, she said one of the worst stakes pro-life, but my son kept winning with her and at one point one weekend. She took it one after one cop become after they want. You took him a side and said, I'm not going to teach you anymore. And he said why she said because I can take you to the top that I can't do it. If you're working, well, we clone and you have choice to make a career choice, and she just put laid it out there on the line and within ten minutes, he decided to give up his career into go into dance as a professional, and you know, I initially as an amateur, and then he got an opportunity with one of his other hobbies to become a professional photographer for dance. Competitions. And now he travels all over tonight dancing in Manhattan of, but they travel all over the country, both photographing dancers and competing themselves. He and his wife he met his wife through dance to so he was in Iran career, and he had the courage to make the change. Oh my God. It's amazing. And of course, this show is not about me and my personal life. But I have to say this is like, so you're because my chosen profession when I was when if you would've asked me when I was a teenager would do I want to be I wanted to be a professional ballroom dancer. I did. Yes, I spent all my time dancing, teaching competing in ballroom, and I chose not to to pursue it in part because it was not it didn't seem like a practical approach in my father said, you know, you have a smart brain, you should go into something that allows you to use that. This is not a viable career. And I just sort of never tried. And I always have had this this nagging regret that I I wish I could, you know, it's a it's a youth oriented careers kind of it depends on what I mean. My son is doing photography, right? That's his and and he's very well respected in the field. We'd love his photograph. But it he and he grew his business from nothing. So, you know, sometimes I always wanted to be I didn't mention this earlier. But when I was very young I wanted to be an Olympic ice skating champion figure skating, I love that. And now, you know at the age of fourteen I knew my life was over. I think the Olympics came around then and I just realized I had left on my opportunity to ever Olympic ice skating champion. I did I did it you skating. I enjoyed it very much. But when I transferred that to ballroom dance, I my husband, and I. Over them dance. Although I think our son influenced us more than we influenced him. So I think that you can take if you love what the dance you can bring it back into your life. I don't know if you do now is a hobby or in some other capacity, you know, to bring to waking it up again and see if you still have that interest. Yes. Yes. And I have kept dancing is a hobby for all the years, although not consistently in. So I don't currently have dance in my life. And I need to put it back in. I'm pretty sure. But not as a as a profession though. Like I missed that boat. But that's a great story. And I do appreciate you sharing it. Now, I'm gonna have to go marinade on that some words if there's right? I love that. The time is is to king. So I wanna make sure that we get to should we go with anger management of. Should we go with happiness? I don't know. I think happiness. Let's do it. Let anger to the other folks. All right. So you chose the name the rational basis for happiness for your show. And so right. I personally. No, I think I know what you mean by that. But I don't know if that's definitely not an accidental choice of words, what distinguishes though rational basis of happiness from how other people use the word happiness or make happiness a goal incorrectly. I think that people just go by failing. They say I want to feel happy, and that leaves out the fact that you end up with Ananta Leist feelings as your guide and Ananta allies feelings can still feel delicious. But they you don't get the data from them. So you need to do what you were talking about earlier you need to interest back and ask yourself. What do I love? What would make me happy in the main hair is of my life and those areas are number one year career because that's where you. Get yourself identity. Your top social value would be your number two, your romantic partner, and these following or in particular audit. But then family and friends that's another category to nurture your best relationships. And you don't need a million friends. You just want one or two or maybe a handful of good friends that you feel close to and bonded to and interests. What what do you do apart from your career? Like, we were just talking about Dan for me anyway in for you, dance or other hobbies or interests or art that you might enjoy and those are the key areas of your life. So if you know to look at those areas, which again would be career romantic partner, family and friends, and you only need family who are friends. You don't you can keep boundaries between those who are not too friendly. And you want to be very selective with family and your hobbies and interests. And if you notify okay. This on those. And then you focus on your being rational. You're looking rational doesn't mean no emotions it means. Rational means you understand what leads to those delicious emotions in your life of happiness joy pride and earned pride a celebration of your own life beautiful. So what are some of the kinds of things that people that are listening now could do to help them? Let's say they, you know, they they do some instrospection based on listening to this now, and they realized that they haven't really pursued their own happiness their own rational happiness in one or two or more of those categories. You mentioned what would be really practical mix steps that they should take. Oh. Oh, I is that they have the same need first to know that they have the right to their own life. And if they can't be thinking, I need to do it. My mom wants me with a career that my parents want me to go into or the career that my friends think I should go into her. I think is good for me. But I don't like, you know, they need to give themselves the liberty to own their own life and have the conviction that they own their own life, and that they have the right to grow their own life. Then they wanna look at their strengths. I always like to start with strength. What am I good at? What do I enjoy most ending areas? You know, what am I good at careerwise? Of course, you want to look at what do I enjoy doing? And you can look across your whole life span. What experiences have I had that? I said, oh, maybe I'd like to do this. When I am older. Or when I grow up you can look at when if I had really good friends, what are the Ella? Moments of a good friendship that speak to my own character health. I've been able to keep a good friendship. You can look at your hobbies. What do I love and hobby? So you're planning, but you know, you can't do that. If you don't think you own your own life. It will be how can I volunteer? How can I be selfless? You know? How can I be the good person who wants nothing for myself? Don't wanna be selfish. I only wanna do for others that is a recipe for disaster. Yeah. And a couple more words about this. I agree with you, of course. So if you feel like you have to either live for others in order to be a moral person, which we pick up either through religion or in the secular world too. I certainly picked it up that I'm good. If I do from others all the time, then we need to start to do something for yourself. You feel like you have to sneak it in or you feel guilty for doing it for pursuing your own goals your own happiness or buying. Ticket to a concert that you might want to hear you feel so fish, and you never wanna look at the world that way, you're not a meal only or my way of highway person if you value yourself, in fact, that is the top in my in my philosophy. That is the top value that you have is to own your own life and to grow your own life to grow it in areas that bring you a lot of satisfaction. And the first place you start is with your own character you develop someone that you let my uncle used to say I'm going to live with one person my whole life myself. So why not make my own home, meaning his own psychological home place that I enjoy living in meaning being honest with other people being honest with yourself having integrity making your own life. Interesting. You know, so he just he was oh he'd love science that he was always reading scientific Americans and pursue. Suing all different goals and his life. Sounds like a smart man, right? You don't wanna live for this. And we have taught that living for others is good. That doesn't mean you're not benevolent in kind to the people you love. They are your values your kids and select family members, and friends or coworkers really like him watching help out. But you don't sacrifice yourself. You. Don't put yourself in the shadows of your own life. You don't sit in the back of the bus in your own life. Love it great. I hundred cents agree. So Ellen real quick. What's new and exciting in your horizon? These days Dr Ed lock and I are starting on a new project. We're going to be writing a book on happiness. Hugh mentioned that if you mazing so what's one specific action that listeners can take this week today, even to upgrade their own happiness. Well, I if thinking of their career, I love focusing on the positive because positive much better. Motivators than negatives. So what do they enjoy in their career to name? What it is the civically. Is it the camaraderie with people the teamwork is it that they see their own skills being challenged and stretched and where they're growing themselves, and they see their own skills being used well, and they feel applications. You know, what is it that they love about what they do. And then they can broaden that out. What else do they love about their own life in the other areas, we talked about so focusing on the good, and when they find something that's not working. Well, my suggestion if I could give them one tip their a one actionable tip is that whenever I find myself doing something that I think is Sam wasting time instead of beating up on myself thing there, I go again, I'm wasting time. I say good noticing Allen is this gentle. Good noticing because I'm am not beating up on myself. And I'm less likely to waste time. I'm more likely to use my time more effectively. So when they find something if they say yell at their child, and they're upset that they yelled at their child. Whether I definitely wanna make amends and know what to do differently. But I they wanna come in themselves on the courage to face something. They did wrong and want to repair or to fix and so it's just good noticing. I'm glad I noticed that. I did that. And I'm honest with myself. Yes. Oh, good. I love that. So be more kind and loving to yourself and don't spend so much time beating yourself up because you're more likely to improve. Well, exactly, I I love I was gonna say I love that. There is it's not just noticing. You do need to take action. But you have more time to move towards action. If you don't wallow, right, right. Exactly. Perfect. So I know people are going to want to stay in touch with you. Learn more about you. I know that you have offer example, the first chapter of the book with Dr lock available for free on your website. So what's the best place for people to go to see all of that? He had the website is Dr Kenner dot com. D R K E N N E R, no periods after the doctor dot com. And if the again, Dr Kenner dot com, and they can also go to Amazon they can get the book on Amazon the first chapters free at the website, but on Amazon, they can get the book is. Called the selfish packs to romance. How to love with passion and reason and Dr Ed lock and I- Haraz at the book, and when we we've the word selfish there, it's what I've been talking about. It doesn't mean the mean rotten my way of the highway narcissistic way to romance. It means the so valuing self nurturing self esteem way to romance for both partners. And then they're much more likely to cherish each other. Yes. And I know that you focus in their on generosity and caring for others, and so forth and been neverlands. Right. Yeah. Good. Well, of course, that's such an important distinction. We mentioned a little bit about this package deal. We have about selfishness when I talked to Dr Oruma that was an episode ninety nine if you're interested listen to that and we will link to your website on the show notes. And of course, your book. So I hope encourage telling growers I encourage you to to go check those out. And I know you also have Twitter, a you're you're active on Twitter and Facebook, right? Facebook. Yep. Yes, I'm both. Well, I'm glad that you came on today. I'm sorry. The time is up at your the conversation. Thank you. L alley. My pleasure. Whether you haven't another episode of the Talib grow show is a wrap. What did you think telling growers? Did you get some insight here about your own happiness your own career your own life that you can use to ensure your happiness? I hope that you take action your one life that you have is precious. And I do want you to make the most of it. And so I'd love to hear your feedback. And I really really want to hear about what you thought. And what you did. So let me know you can always go into the Shonno's page drop me a comment there. You can share on social media or you can leave me voice mail, which is that little black tab on the right side of the page on my website from any device. It's so easy to leave me voice message. And of course, if you give me permission, I can even use your message if it's of good enough quality. I can use it on a future episode of sound groce'll. Wouldn't that be fun? All right. Well, thank you for tuning in. I'm helios. Why you're leaving? Development strategists here talent grow and this has been the town for show. I thank you for listening. And I hope that you make today. Great. Thanks for listening to the tone grow show, where we help you develop your talent to become the kind of leader that people want to follow for more information. Visit Killen road dot com.

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U.S. Sen. Whitehouse on America's Blue Economy future

Blue Economy Podcast

26:08 min | 10 months ago

U.S. Sen. Whitehouse on America's Blue Economy future

"Hello and welcome to the Blue Economy podcasts brought to you by Rhode Island the ocean state. We have an exciting guest on this episode of the United, States Senator Sheldon Whitehouse. But before we get started, we have a note we recorded the interview in March, before the covid nineteen crisis became prevalent. So if you're wondering why we didn't touch on that issue now you know. Thanks for listening, and now let's get into the episode. Welcome to the Blue Economy podcast presented by Rhode Island the ocean state. I'm your host David Hirschmann. On this podcast were diving deep into everything that's happening in the world's growing ocean economy, and on this episode, we're talking about the federal government. Specifically, we wanted to talk about what the government is currently doing from a policy perspective or what it can do to support a wide range of businesses operating in and around the ocean, and perhaps more importantly, we want to talk about what the government is doing to protect the oceans themselves because between significant increases in water temperature, the rising sea levels, acidification, plastic, pollution, and plenty of other mitigating factors. The world's oceans are certainly dealing with their fair share of environmental issues cover all of. This we had the opportunity to sit down with our guest on today's episode United States Senator Sheldon Whitehouse Senator Whitehouse has a well earned reputation as one of the nation's leading voices on the realities of climate change his climate speeches on the Senate floor two, hundred, fifty of them in counting have become iconic in their own right and over the course of his career as a lawmaker, he has introduced co sponsored a long list of sustainability focused bills. He's also acted as a vocal champion for emerging environmentally conscious industries like offshore renewable energy and along with Republican Senator Lisa. Murkowski. From Alaska, he co chairs the bipartisan Senate Oceans Caucus? There are few elected leaders in the nation better suited to provide insight on the federal government's role in the ocean economy, and so we were thrilled to have Senator Whitehouse with us. We recorded this interview in March Twenty Twenty in our studio in downtown Providence. Once again, thank you for tuning into this episode of the Blue Economy podcast presented by Rhode Island. The ocean state you can catch up on previous episodes on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts or just head to www dot blew economy podcast dot com coming up now our conversation with the United States Senator Sheldon Whitehouse. So welcome Senator Whitehouse thanks for joining us on the PODCASTS. Thank you. Terrific to be here with you I'm glad you're doing this. Yeah. Thanks. I wanted to start with kind of a personal question. You've obviously spent a lot of energy and focus on issues related to the environment and also by extension the ocean. And meanwhile, your wife Marine scientists who serves on the National Council for Science. Environment. And served on numerous other boards obviously Do you have an origin story for your interests or your connection to the ocean environment? Now? Now? I really don't I grew up in the foreign service. traveling among a lot of far away countries. And Largely by by coincidence they tended to be. Ocean fronting. Countries. so it's always been with me. And more recently about the environment or how did you get sued become such a staunch defender for the environment? Well. The oceans. Are Really taking a beating right now. We are pumping heat into them because they're absorbing the excess heat in more than ninety percent. Of the excess heat that all of our greenhouse gases have trapped actually art in the atmosphere they've gone down into the oceans been absorbed by the oceans at the rate of. People. Hiroshima nuclear bomb detonations worth of heat. Per Second? Per. Second. So the heat load going into the oceans it's very considerable. They are acidifying. At the fastest rate ever in human history, you have to go back to the great. Pre human. X. Mass. extinctions. To find a similar pace of change. In the oceans are about thirty percent more acidic, which is really bad news for creatures with shells. And because of that warming and because of. the. Melting of. Land ice you're seeing oceans rising. So it's becoming much more salient question for coastal places, and then if the climate aspects weren't enough, we're also dumping huge amounts of plastic waste and a lot of toxic and. Polluting runoff from agriculture and other uses into the ocean. So the whole. Array of insults that we are. Providing to the oceans really pretty considerable I was GONNA say how how dire is it for the oceans? Particularly I mean it's pretty dire. We're looking at predictions that essentially all coral reefs are gone by twenty one hundred. we're looking at predictions that if we don't change our ways, they'll be more plastic waste. Mass floating around in the oceans and there will be fish living in the oceans. Those are two pretty horrible things to turn over to future Generations. Thanks. We took these beautiful oceans that God gave us that are rich and abundant what Pope Francis called our ocean wonder world. And what we're passing on to you guys as more waste than fishing them and You know a fine mess in general it can be pretty overwhelming as an ordinary citizen to try to be environmentally responsible and while there's certainly ways to kind of reduce our individual carbon footprint and obviously there is initiatives to reducing elise plastic and that kind of thing for the public at large against him sort of feudal to focus on avoiding plastic straws when they're all these massive corporations all around the world polluting like there's no tomorrow. Can individual people really make any impact on this problem and if not, what more can they do to convince these big companies and governments to that? It's in their best interest is that it's in their best interest to change. I. Think it's defeatist to say that banning plastic straws or banning plastic bags doesn't make a difference because other people are doing so many bad things. First of all, there's the starfish theory you might not to save them all but you save that one when you throw it back into the water. And second when you do this, you send ripples out in your behavior and you send signals out of awareness that end up actually having political effect and companies begin to change their behavior and politicians begin to change their behavior not because one person didn't use one straw but because a lot of people collectively made the individual choice to stop using plastic straws for instance. But the bottom line I think a lot of the problems that we have is. Economic Signals. And because our politics. Has Gotten so polluted. With big special interest money particularly big special interest money that hides itself as dark money. So you don't know it's. Rhode Islanders for peace and puppies and prosperity is running an ad and everybody knows there's no such thing. So what the hell does add doing on my television. But that's up there and it smearing people and their they have their, they have their way. There is absolutely no economic reason. If you're a pure conservative market economist, there's absolutely no reason that the plastic industry should not be held accountable for the waste that they produce ends up in the ocean. That's what's called a negative externalities and. Economics ease and they should bake that into the price of their product in a conservative market economy even more. So for carbon pollution but these are very big industries. The fossil fuel industry in particular has six, hundred, fifty, billion dollars per year subsidy. In terms of not paying for its. Negative extra analyses according to the International Monetary Fund, which isn't even an environmental group. So they have a huge huge prize that they're fighting for, and they spend that dirty money and politics defend off. Proper economic. Accountability and it's basically you know political thievery on a grand scale. So you build a coalition to fix those things and to create the solid solution to those things by starting with the beach cleanups the bag bands, the straw. Plastic straws not being used and you end up with. Finally. If you can break the back of these corrupt industries the. Chance to do the right thing. So it would campaign finance reform then be part of an environmental protection also. Totally. The flip side of climate denial is dark money. It's two sides of the same nasty coin. They would not be where they are if they couldn't hide who they were when they spent their millions of grubby political dollars and we'd be all over them trying to out them as it is. We're all over them and outing them but you know five years late and five percent of the money. It's a whole different story if you're if it's not transparent. But transparency is a vitally important connection between what the public wants what industry does. Obviously, there's been a lot of policy than put forward in the past few years based on skepticism and kind of hostility towards fact based Science and here on the blue economy podcast, we're proud believers in data and science as a basis for policy in the oceans are actually pretty reliable in that sense the climate denial operation has done a lot with difficult. Out Year computer modeling relates to. The way, the climate and the atmosphere behave. But for Pete's sake, you go to the ocean. You measure sea level rise with basically a yardstick, the tide gauge you measure ocean warming with a thermometer people understand a thermometer and the acidification you measure with really basic ph strips and every middle school class with an aquarium knows what Ph testing is like. So the fact part of this becomes quite hard. To dispute even for the most poisonous science deniers. Because it's just so obvious trust thermometers does that make it easier to build consensus does yeah and I also think there's something kind of. I don't know how to say this but there's something kind of sentimental in the human heart about oceans I just find even with really difficult colleagues. That oceans brings out a different point of view. My worst enemy in the Senate on all things climate is Jim inhofe Jim. INHOFE was one of the original sponsors of our marine plastic waste bill because he has a thing for ocean turtles and he knows that they get tangled up in marine plastic and that they drown and that it's bad and to get him. As an early adopter of our marine plastic bill was like a huge. To the Senate Oh. My God White House and in hope there's room for me between those two I can get on this bill. So I was going to say you know you've. Cosponsored legislation with Senator Murkowski. Deep Blue. Act, last year, which was aimed at helping Americans better understand the Kussin and waterways. Talk a little bit about. What that effort was all about, and then also kind of you know how how how you bring together people with You know very divergent views. This that is mostly about ocean. Data and monitoring. it's about increasing international cooperation on Ocean data and monitoring. It's an innovation prize for exciting new developments in ocean data and monitoring. It provides. A variety of programs to support. Information coming back out of. The oceans it's In the process right now of gathering bipartisan cosponsors. And of broadening the group that we wrote it with. Detest stakeholders and make sure we're not bumping into anything that would stop the bill on the floor basically building the coalition. unanimous. Consent. And could you tell me a little bit about your role co-chair of the Senate. Oceans Caucus also is that When I got there, there was nothing happening on oceans and I realized given the weird environment of the Senate we'd need to. Have a group that pulled together on this. So I asked Senator Murkowski. WHO's my lead on blue globe. To Co founder Notions Caucus, and then recognizing that Commerce has a subcommittee on fisheries that would want to be involved. We made sure that the chair and ranking member of that subcommittee were automatically also. co-chairs ex officio. So that's our leadership, and then we went out and just started to. Round up people. To. Become. Members of the Oceans Caucus. and. We promise them that this would be not a letterhead caucus but a real working caucus and when we started knocking off the fisheries treaties getting them approved when we started knocking off. We got the. Fishing bill the pirate fishing bill done people started to see. Oh my gosh there isn't much going on in the Senate, but things are moving through this oceans. Caucus and so it's been a very pleasant. Surprise to see how well received it's been, and it's been a pleasant surprise to see membership from states that have no coasts. Well Yeah. I was GONNA ask about it is there more interest from states that goes of course. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's real fishing communities. They've got shoreline municipalities facing sea level rise. They've got marine science facilities that are pulsing out the warnings of what's happening in the seas. But the fact that it goes beyond that and I've got, you know a senator from Oklahoma and. Who are a part of this? I think it shows two things one. There's a common bipartisan desire to be part of something that is productive in the Senate, which is a good sign. And to there is some human affinity for oceans even if you don't live near one. And you know you've quoted as saying that as a human race we understand more about the moon than we do about our own oceans. Can you talk a little bit about that because i? I know that only I think currently about fifteen percent of the floors mapped. Yeah. There's a lot of the ocean that is unmapped. My friend Bob Ballard has been buzzing around on his. Boat out in the Pacific doing mapping because we have better mapping of the dark side of the moon. Then we have of significant parts of our own earth's oceans. So simple things like that I think are helpful I think there's going to be a new era of ocean interest emerging. Unfortunately, it's can be largely because of the threats largely because of the damage happening in oceans but. People are flocking to marine science programs. People are flocking to Marine protective NGOs. The existing environmental community is moving an opening ocean segments of their portfolio of of interest and You're just seeing a really big move in that direction and I couldn't welcome that more. So. We were talking about sort of the ocean data. Collection Seafloor? Stuff What, sort of the bridge between that and kind of commercial opportunities and DC that you know some of the work that you're doing you know for. Expanding knowledge and expanding data as. Part of commerce also. Yes and in particular. It is data. That is going to facilitate. Intelligent decisions. Where there are conflicts in use in the ocean. And particularly their new entrance to want to use the ocean and a perfect example is offshore wind. Rhode Island solved the citing problem. Of offshore, wind with data. By bringing, you are I and science and maps to the table and bringing the stakeholders altogether. And over a course of not much more than a year. Sorting out where suitable sites were and boom. We had that thing up and running where the first place in the country with steel in the water first place in the country with electrons on the grid they tried it the other way in Massachusetts with Cape Wind, and the whole thing just fell to pieces collapsed after a decade of work. So data. Actually, enables the intelligent decision making that can make uses. Safe. In the ocean, not harmful in the ocean and can resolve competition. Between conflicting users and sure enough along comes vineyard wind. And they did not follow the Rhode Island model they tried to jam people and they've gotten no place as a result and they're all tangled up with bom the. Fisheries the offshore regulator for these things. And then learn the lesson but the rest of the industry. And particularly vineyard wind. Sorry Deepwater Wind Rhode Island's its successor of have taken a look at that and realized oops. Rhode Island model actually works data. And people in the room and you and you mean data in terms of like you know studying the effect on fishing studying word of the whales go. Yeah and where what are the whereas the valuable fisheries and where might there be historic sites or rex? All of that stuff we do on land all the time you can go to the Department of Administration they've got. GPS situation. So you know you you're not going into an electric wire old graveyard or whatever. Applying that to the oceans data, but it makes things a lot smarter and safer. So. Sor- trying to the kind of Blue Tech as a economic opportunity You know there's certain industries within the Blue Economy author win for example that seemed to be quickly proving that profits to be made in protecting the planet. do you think that there are enough win win opportunities out there to incentivize? The out there to incentivize the business community to play their part in protecting the environment. Yes undoubtedly undoubtedly, I think the issue for us. It's actually kind of an easy one in that. Rhode Island is the location of multiple star. Companies and industries. And what we have not yet done is assembled those stars. Into a constellation. So that, each helps the other. They can pull together when they need to, and they can eliminate conflicts an make goodwin when decisions. So this isn't like a battle in which you have to hurt some interest in order to. Move and other interests forward, and as we saw in the recent blue economy summit that the delegation hosted out at save the bay there's a lot enthusiasm for this because all the different participants see the same opportunity, it's a question of people in all the different spaces in which Rhode Islanders expert. Beginning to pull together more and they're eager to have the support from us to do that. And as part of that sort of thinking of themselves as part of the same project inside in a way. Yes. In a way, I, think if you are no ACC- and you're doing really extensive undersea exploration, your research has value over it. You are I where they are studying coastal systems and all of that and Out of Uri comes to science that supports our aquaculture folks which are very successful industry and keeping the bachelor clean and open for. Aquaculture is also a huge win for our. Marinas and for our economy and the pieces all intersect and they all connect and facilitating all of the different pieces to communicate with each other and come up with common plans and know that they can support going forward is really the goal. and. So what are some of the more interesting or exciting projects? Taking place in the kind of Global Blue Konami that you've been that you've come across lately. Well you know some are are simple things like Norway and Washington State. Turning their ferries into electric and supporting port. So that they can. Do that we could certainly do that. In some places in Rhode Island there is offshore wind, which is going to be I think a just enormous enormous opportunity. And then I think that the knowledge economy on this is also going to be incredibly important and I think gs Oh has a big role to play in the future and all this graduate school of Ocean Goofy at the University of Rhode Island is one of the most expert places on coastal. Oceanography and on resilience and unfortunately because of what we've allowed the fossil fuel industry to get away with for decades, we're going to see a lot of harm. happening, to coasts all around the world wherever the land meets the sea, there will be problems challenges, and that creates the opportunity for Rhode Island for America for. Most specifically, to be the pros who can come in and give the technical advice that helps local communities, solve their problems in an intelligent way and deal with them minimize the harm and that knowledge base I think is an area where we can be true international leaders. In fact we already are is over in Indonesia on the west coast of Africa. It's we're we've got the footprint already we just need to build out. So you know places like the United, Kingdom and Netherlands and Denmark of already established themselves as world leaders in the blue economy. But what are some of the things that sets our state side assets apart from you know as a place to locate these in the world. Well you combine along the coasts a very. Rich economic opportunity because of the oceans related. Side hitting the terrestrial side. You also have a very big tourist and visitor. Potential because people love to be near the ocean if it's clean and. Safe. and. That's the reason that. So many people now live in counties that are oceanfront. Counties the. Bid Drives the those counties are the strongest economic drivers in the country. So. There's a lot of appeal and the problem has been we've just been haphazard. About Working the different elements so that they support each other better, and that's where those other countries got ahead of us is that they were talking to each other sooner and they were organizing better and they were figuring out what the good ideas that drew all of the different stars of the Constellation together and executing on those ideas, and we can very readily do that and the blue. Economy Program here in Rhode Island is the vehicle for making that happen. In general why is the the blue economy oppo important and why in particular? Is it important for Rhode Island's It's particularly port for an island because there's so much stuff that we're good at here. That relates to the blue economy. and. By connecting those things together I mean you are is graduate school of Oceanography Fabulous World Class Facility. Our aquaculture is as good as anywhere in the world we have the best sailing sites and some of the most master craftsman type boat builders anywhere on the planet we have beaches and tourism to beat the band that attract people from all over the place. We have very important shipping leaders here, and we have a huge military ocean presence through thick and through electric boat. We've just a lot going on, but everybody is good at what they do. We're learning now is that whenever but he pulls together and figuring out what are the common denominators that will lift all boats we can move forward and that's what's exciting. Island is small enough that you can get everybody's attention. You can get people in a room were expert enough that we're world class when we get together and do this and we've got huge potential because we are the ocean state. Thank. You for listening to this edition of the Blue Economy podcast presented by Rhode Island the ocean state. Thank you once again to Senator Whitehouse for joining us in the studio and don't forget to subscribe rate and review us on Apple PODCASTS spotify or wherever you're casts and if you WANNA learn more about the podcast, catch up on past episodes or shoot us with your comments head to our website at www dot blew economy podcast dot com or look up on twitter facebook or linked to. Providence Rhode Island I'm your host David Hirschmann thanks Phyllis.

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Disappearance of Harlem Globetrotter Rico Harris Pt. 1

Unexplained Mysteries

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Disappearance of Harlem Globetrotter Rico Harris Pt. 1

"October ninth two thousand fourteen. Rico harris a former harlem globetrotter college basketball star. Pulled up to his mother's duplex in alhambra california. When his mother margaret fernandez answered the door rico greeted her with a hug and kiss on the cheek. This was their typical breeding but today was anything but a typical visit. Margaret was surprised to see her son at all he hadn't mentioned dropping by and it was unusual for him to make spontaneous visit rico and his fiancee lived more than a thousand miles away in seattle washington. It quickly became clear something was wrong. Rico's breath reeked of alcohol and he acted unusually quiet. He claimed he needed to grab a few personal items. Given the length of his dr margaret suspected that whatever they were they must be important but she watched her son. Only packed close margaret then followed her son through the house hoping he'd offer more of an explanation but he didn't at one point. He announced that he wanted to take his younger brother. Tito out to dinner then. Without any further conversation he left with tito and the pair didn't return for several hours. Rico's off behavior unnerved margaret. But she hoped he was just tired when he got back home. She encouraged him to get some sleep before his return to seattle in the morning when she went to bed that night margaret safe and sound in his room. She never imagined that. He sneak out of the house to embark on his second eighteen. Our road trip in two days or that. She'd never see her son again. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host molly. And i'm your host richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer. Every tuesday and thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. This is our first episode on. Rico harris a former harlem globetrotter and college basketball star. Who disappeared without a trace in two thousand and fourteen today will examine rico's career personal life and his ongoing struggles with addiction. Then will detail his unusual disappearance as well as the desperate investigation that ensued next time. We'll use the evidence to discuss. What might have happened to rico harris and will explore. How a six foot nine. Three hundred pound basketball star could possibly go missing without ever being found. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you. By hewlett packard enterprise in the past year more than two million women in the us have left the workforce setting back years of progress on a special episode of the element attack. Podcast listen to women in tech talk about the challenges and what makes them hopeful for the future. Search spotify for the element tech podcast which comes from hewlett packard enterprise. This episode is brought to you by carmax at carmax. The best way to buy a car is your way. Choose from over. Fifty thousand carmax certified vehicles at carmax dot com and buy online or in store with curbside pickup and home delivery in select markets. Get all the details today. At carmax dot com. This episode is brought to you by michelob. Ultra organic seltzer. It's usda certified organic michelob. Ultra organic seltzer as real as it tastes. Harris was the eldest of four children. Raised by a single mother margaret fernandez growing up in los angeles. He saw his mom struggled to make ends meet and promised himself that some day he'd find a way to support his family. It didn't take long for rico to find a path to stability. From a young age he towered over the other kids on the playground. His teachers and coaches urged him to start playing basketball and he was a natural talent by age eleven. He was joining pickup games with adults and setting his sights on the nba. Basketball ran in family. His father played semipro due to the team's demanding schedule. This meant rico's father wasn't around much growing up but the absence might have been a blessing in disguise when rico's father was home. He was reportedly abusive and especially quick to criticize his son. Which is maybe why. Rico channeled all his energy into bettering himself on the court in high school rico found considerable success. The pasadena star news named him athlete of the week and his senior year. He won co player of the year at temple. City high school graduation on the horizon. He'd already received offers from the university of connecticut. The university of california los angeles and the university of kentucky to play college basketball. All the pieces were in place for him to make his dreams come. True experts predicted he'd play in the nba. One day an opportunity that would allow him to fulfil his promise to his mother and earn enough money to keep his family comfortable while he excelled on the court. Rico struggled in the classroom. He eventually lost the chance that a full ride scholarship to ucla his first choice school because his sat scores were to load after graduating he enrolled at asu. Arizona state university intent on making the most out of his experience but in college rico's attitude towards drugs and alcohol changed throughout high school. He'd been sober. He'd even admonished other classmates who drank or smoked. Always focused on staying healthy to maintain his edge on the court but at asu his priorities shifted. It's unclear what exactly triggered this shift but it may have been tied to a distressing event during the spring semester of his freshman year in march nineteen ninety six. Two women accused to of rico's teammates sexual assault. Rico wasn't implicated himself but he reportedly been with the alleged rapists on the night in question. The police arrested him on suspicion of unlawful imprisonment threatening and intimidation. Authorities ultimately dropped the charges but the incident left him shaken and suspended from playing basketball arizona. State asked him to sit out his sophomore year. But for rico sitting out wasn't an option he transferred to a. city college or l. Acc where he could continue to play and where it'd be closer to his beloved support system his family at l. acc rico's athleticism was on full display. He won state player of the year and led his team to its first championship season. Ever as a result top tier schools around the country once again began recruiting him soon enough. He accepted an offer to transfer to the university of rhode island of the courts. However rico substance abuse continued. He started experimenting with speed and methamphetamine and his grades plummeted after failing a psychology course under ncwa rules. His grades weren't high enough to play basketball at a four year. Institution you are. I was out of the picture. But rico's talents didn't necessarily need brand name school at l. c. His career still caught the attention of the nba and in nineteen ninety nine. While rico was a senior scouts arrived to watch him play. Unfortunately we didn't showcase the type of behavior or discipline they were looking for. He missed workouts largely ignored the recruiters and avoided meetings with his coach so he graduated without any offers to play professionally. Then in two thousand he landed a spot on the world famous harlem globetrotters like his father before him. Rico turns semi pro but his career was short lived a month after joining the team. Rico tried to break up a bar fight in south. La and in the chaos. Someone hit rico in the back of the head with a baseball bat. He suffered a major concussion and started experiencing severe headaches for weeks afterwards which caused him to lose his sense of balance and as a result he couldn't perform on the court in the blink of an eye rico's basketball career was over at only twenty three years old after watching his dream slip through his fingers. Rico fata seven year battle with drug addiction. In addition to alcohol he reportedly used cocaine meth and heroin and his drug use lead to trouble with the law in the early two thousands. He faced charges in la county superior court sixteen times for public intoxication burglary and trespassing and he spent a good deal of time. In and out of jail there was one alleged instance in which he was even held at the same facility as is absent. Father and his dad apparently didn't even recognize him at some point doctors diagnosed rico with bipolar disorder but he chose to stop taking his medications. He reportedly didn't like the way they made him feel. Unfortunately the combination of emotional pain and an untreated mental health disorder caused rico to hit rock bottom in two thousand seven. He almost died after overdosing on prescription drugs. This brush. Death prompted some concrete change. His family enrolled him rehab. The program turned out to be a huge success. After a few months in care rico returned home sober with a renewed dedication to prioritizing the health and wellbeing for himself and those around him and he started working full-time insecurity which afforded him financial stability and the opportunity to meet new people in two thousand twelve while working as a bouncer at a club. Rico jennifer song and insurance broker. Who was visiting from seattle charmed. He i took her picture and then asked if he could text it to her. Their relationship escalated quickly from there. After two years of long distance stating rico. Jennifer started discussing the possibility of marriage by august. Two thousand fourteen. Rico said he wanted to move out to seattle but he began second guessing himself almost immediately. The last time he'd lived away from his family. His addictions spiraled out of control. Any didn't want something similar to happen again. After flying to los angeles to discuss rico's concerns in person. Jennifer became alarmed by his behaviour. Rico typically greeted her with romantic gestures in bouquets of flowers but now he was avoiding talking to her and she found his room in disarray. Jennifer confronted rico. It took some pressing. But eventually he made a confession he'd relapsed. The stress of the impending move had driven him to drink again. But she didn't need to worry. He claimed it had only been one drink one time. He was lying unbeknownst to his family. Rico was regularly drinking and started using methamphetamine again. But rico let jennifer believe it had been a momentary slip up and he promised it would never happen again so they decided to go forward with the move. Rico arrived in seattle a few weeks later. The relocation wasn't easy. Rico struggle to find a job which allegedly made him question his self worth jennifer earned enough to support them close. But it didn't seem to matter to him. He wanted to pull his weight. Rico apparently didn't unpack his suitcases or boxes for a week after the move which gave jennifer the impression he wanted the option to leave at a moment's notice and sometimes he would to clear his head. Rico disappeared on long drives occasionally for days at a time now. This behavior might normally raise some red flags but according to jennifer. This wasn't that ordinary. She always known he enjoyed driving. So she supposedly didn't think much about him. Leaving without a word about three weeks after the move rico secured a job interview for a position selling real estate in timeshares. By mid september he was finally unpacked and life in seattle started looking up until on october. Eighth two thousand fourteen jennifer left to go to the gym while rico went out to explore seattle when she returned a few hours later rico center taxed saying he'd left the city. He was on his way to california to visit his mother in eighteen hour. Drive away in. His interview was just a few days away. He claimed he needed to pick up some clothes and to quote tie up some loose ends. Jennifer didn't know what that meant exactly but there was no stopping him now. he was already gone. Jennifer never saw rico again but she would speak to him one more time coming up. Rico goes missing. Hi it's carter from podcast network. The vatican is one of the most recognizable religious sites in the world. But it's also a powerful institution. 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Researching compare with ratings and reviews schedule a trade and appraisal and apply for financing all from the comfort of home. And when you found the right car for you you can buy online or in store with curbside pickup and delivery in select markets. Carmax the way it should be get all the details and start the search for your next car today at carmax dot com now back to the story on october eighth. Two thousand fourteen former harlem globetrotter. Rico harris drove eighteen hours from seattle to his mother's house in california on a whim when he arrived. His behavior was erratic despite his history of alcohol abuse. He shared a beer with his stepfather. While discussing some relationship problems he'd been having with his girlfriend jennifer song. Rico's mother margaret convinced him to spend the night and as far as she could tell he was asleep in his bed by midnight. But around one am margaret's phone rang. It was rico. Calling from the highway margaret hadn't heard him leave the house. If she had she would have stopped him. He was a no state to drive. He drove eighteen hours straight the day before and hadn't gotten any rest since she begged her son to come back home but he said he couldn't. He needed to get back to seattle for his job interview several hours later. Rico made another call this time to jennifer. She stayed on the line with him for several hours terrified. Something would happen to him. Rico sounded exhausted. Jennifer pleaded for him to pull over and get some rest and he agreed. He said he'd drive to the mountains to take a nap but that wasn't the answer she was looking for. She told him to go to arrest area instead. So we'd have cell service. In case something happened he relented and hung up. Several hours passed in which jennifer didn't hear from rico. She kept calling him but he never picked up finally at ten forty four. Am he sent her a text. It read sorry and mr call. I'm doing well thinking about you. The message did little to reassure jennifer. she couldn't shake the feeling that something wasn't right and rica was endanger and she had reasons to be worried. According to the cdc being awake for over twenty four hours driving is comparable to having a blood alcohol content of zero point one percent well above the legal limit the longer he stayed on the road. The greater risky posed to himself and others margaret and jennifer continued to try to reach him but each time. They got his voicemail. All they could do was wait for eight pm when he was due to arrive home. Eight pm came and went with no signs of rico. Hours turned into days. They still held out hope for safe return until october fourteenth. Four days after they'd last heard from rico. Jennifer and margaret filed a missing persons report with the police coincidentally the same day. They did a yolo county. Sheriff's deputies spotted a vehicle which matched the description of rico's car. A black nissan sedans sitting in a parking lot at cache creek regional park. Cache creek is a small wildlife area in romsey canyon a popular hiking and camping. Spot north of sacramento. It's only about thirty minutes off of interstate. Five which connects los angeles to seattle. The car looked like the driver had turned into the lot then parked off to the side rather than pulling up to a designated spot at first. The officer didn't think much of the vehicle he assumed that an overnight camper and possibly arrived late and hadn't seen the lines or a hiker left their car there at a time when the other spots were full but when he passed through the area the next day he noticed the car had moved so he decided to run the registration. The car belonged to rico harris the former basketball star who just been reported missing. The officers searched the car. It looked as if it had been ransacked. Cds and shredded. Pieces of paper littered the seats in floor but far more alarming were the other items found empty liquor bottles a suitcase full of clothes. Rico's wallet with one credit card and d missing and bendel. A small container often used to store drugs. Investigators immediately sent the bill to a lab. Hoping they'd be able to identify whatever drugs. Rico might have been using but interestingly they found no traces of any thing now this could indicate that rico used all of its contents but if that were the case it's highly unlikely forensics wouldn't detect minutes of any substance and this wasn't the only piece of inexplicable evidence. The car had a dead battery and a nearly empty tank of gas with few clues to work with yolo. County sheriff's detective d nyland launched an investigation. His first suspicion was that someone might have carjacked rico and then driven to cache creek which meant rigo might not be anywhere near the park but due diligence came first nylon launched a search of the immediate area. This included enlisting. Atv's scuba divers cadaver dogs and helicopters but they found no blood no body and no signs of foul play. The only evidence they found were footprints from a size eighteen shoe and two large tennis shoe insoles discarded by the creek. Not many people wear a size eighteen shoe so it seemed likely that rico had driven down to cache creek and abandoned his car at some point. S for why. He'd removed the insoles during his journey. That was anyone's guess. Detective nyland had hoped though. Rico was a six foot nine inch man with tattoos. Who weighed over three hundred pounds. He couldn't imagine a universe where rico would go undetected for long but the location of the car didn't add up the drive from l. hamburger to seattle and was a straight shot up. Interstate five if rico wanted to stop to rest get gas or eat. He didn't need to go for out of his way especially given rico's tight schedule he needed be back in seattle for his interview. There was no reason to take such a lengthy detour after their search in cache creek for the most part came up. Mt nyland pulled rico's phone records and reviewed every taxed every call in every voice mail with unexpected results. One of the last phone calls. Rico placed to jennifer came from lodi california a small town about one hundred miles south of sacramento during their conversation. Rico explained that he'd stop to get gas but this couldn't be true if ricoh drove straight from lodi cache creek. There was no way he could have burned through an entire tank of gas. According to detectives estimates rico would've used less than half a tank by the time. He arrived at the parking lot of cache creek unless he took a detour somewhere else. Unfortunately rico hadn't contacted anyone since nine thirty. Am on october tenth when he spoke with his mom. The last words rico reportedly spoke. Were i love him before he hung up. Luckily rico still had his phone with him. Though he wasn't using it his provider was able to track his location in the days after he went missing. They believe he was now. Somewhere in the redwood valley area seventy miles away from where he'd left his car. Each new discovery was more baffling than the last anxious for some clue that would make sense of the disappearance. Nyland return to cache creek dozens more times. He even walked his dog on the trails on his days off but his first break only came when he started crowdsourcing information. The yellow county sheriff's department sent over four thousand phone and text messages to residents urging them to reach out if they had any information on rico's whereabouts shortly after a tip came in from a man who had recently driven through cache creek regional park on a family trip for clarity. We'll call him paul while on their trip. All son noticed a backpack on the side of the highway. When they pulled over to investigate they found a dead cell phone a cell phone charger jumper cables and some bottles filled with what appeared to be alcohol and energy drinks inside the bag concerned. Paul and his family explored the surrounding area looking for the owner of the backpack. But they didn't find anyone or anything then when they returned home after their trip. Paul charged the phone immediately after. The phone turned on hundreds of concern. Tex came flooding in paul put to into together and call the police he'd found recon harris's back pulse testimony was the equivalent of one step forward and two steps back for the investigation. All the cell phone data officials had pulled was now useless. Riego hadn't hitchhiked seventy miles out of the forest. Paul and his family lived in redwood valley. They'd taken the bag home with them after they've found it which meant rico could still be anywhere but the phone itself offered nyland. A new clue a video. Rico had recorded of himself time stamp the day of his disappearance. The clip showed rico sitting in his car singing and dancing to music. His behavior indicated. He might not be sober. Nyland assumed possibly drunk on drugs or both but he was clearly part somewhere with the engine running tearing papers up in throwing cds around nyland knew about rico struggles with drug abuse and his relationship troubles with jennifer. They'd already suspected he may have used methamphetamine to stay awake for over forty hours that information coupled with the video seemed to confirm that rico had relapsed the detective now had a better sense of how rico spent the last few days before his disappearance. But he still didn't know where rico head gone or if he was still alive coming up the first reported citing this episode is brought to you by three m three m has always been driven to improve lives with science and innovation. It's this forward thinking. Mindset that led three am to invent household items. You've come to know and love like posted notes and command talks. But three n believes they have a responsibility to use their science to improve lives in even more ways. That's why the responding to the covid nineteen crisis by working on solutions for some of today's biggest challenges as a leading provider of personal protective equipment. 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When that movie theater employee told you to enjoy the show or why you need to lower the music in your car when you're looking for an address because that will somehow make you see better. There's so much to think about the roundup brand. Think about what you could think about. When you're not thinking about leads always read and follow pesticide. Label directions not registered for sale or use new york. Now back to the story on. October ninth. Two thousand fourteen rico. Harris went missing a little over a week later. Detective denial lind issued a missing person alert to the press neighboring police departments and local governments immediately. Tips came rushing in multiple witnesses claim to have seen a large man matching rico's description walking on the side of the highway on october eleventh around the same time one couple's spotted him wandering around a black car seemingly confused another witness saw him sitting on the support rails over the creek. All accounts suggested he was delirious and aimlessly wandering. The last reported sighting occurred on october nineteenth. Two thousand fourteen five days after recos car was found. A passer-by saw large man in the parking lot of cache creek national park confused. He allegedly looked around the area as if searching for something to walking into the forest and out of view. This confirmed that rico had been in the area roughly one week after his disappearance somehow he evaded the teams of people scouring the park after his car was found but at least he was last seen alive regardless know. That police were optimistic. That rico might still be in the area. Canine team gravitated towards a small lake in the center of the park. Investigators dispatched a team of scuba divers to explore the waters. But they didn't find anything new. It was yet another dead end once again. Rico could have been anywhere in the time. Since his last sighting he could have hitchhiked out of the woods or been hiding somewhere just outside the perimeter or he could have run into one of the many predators living in cache creek national park like a bear or mountain lion but detective nyland fixated on the reports. That rico did not appear sober and kept returning to his history of drug use to him. It seemed like the key to the investigation rico's family however rejected this theory. His mother margaret insisted that rico had been sober for the past seven years. She couldn't believe he'd relapse now just when his future looked so promising. Margaret suspected the police might be intentionally trying to paint rico as a careless drug addict to justify their inability to close the case but ultimately she just wanted her son back home safe and sound each time. The phone rang. She felt a chill run down her spine. Any call could be from rico. Margaret kept scrapbooks full of newspaper articles about rico's basketball years hoping she might learn something new. She regularly posted please on facebook for people to pray for her son's safe return she stored rico's clothing at her house in case he ever came home but with each passing day. It seemed more and more unlikely. He never used his credit cards or access to bank account he never called and there were no additional sightings three years after his disappearance in two thousand seventeen margaret gave an interview to the la times about rico. She insisted that her son was still alive. Somewhere and alluded to the fact that something bad but not fatal might have happened to him. She provided few specifics but hinted he may have fallen prey to something evil. It's hard to say what this evil was or if it had anything to do with the investigation into her son's disappearance but regardless margaret was right at least in a sense rigo harris did fall prey to something. A person doesn't just vanish without a trace. There's always an explanation. The question is can you find it. Thanks again for tuning into unexplained mysteries. We will be back next time with part two on the disappearance of rico harris for more information on rico amongst the many sources we use. We found disappeared. California extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. Cnx time and remember never take. We don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries is original from podcast. It is executive produced by maxon. Ron cutler sound design by j cohen with production. Assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and travis clark. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by hughes ransom with writing assistance by angela. Jorgensen and connor samson fact checking car maker lean had research by bradley klein unexplained mysteries stars bali brandenburg and richard rosner.

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Episode 162: A Conversation with General Michael Flynn  Part 1

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Episode 162: A Conversation with General Michael Flynn Part 1

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Before december twenty first introducing the new verizon business unlimited plans for as low as thirty dollars per line with auto-pay get five g nationwide plus massive data capacity plus spam blocking features plus mix and match the right plans for your business. Get more of what you need. None of what you don't from verizon. The network businesses rely on five g. Nationwide available eight hundred placebos. Those visa five devices monthly proline pricing with fifa less lines on biz unlimited star device payment smartphone purchase auto-pay and paper free billing required terms apply. Hi this is new virus him recording from c. You may notice a difference in audio quality on this episode of neutral. I've known mike flynn for years. And i've watched the amazing work and the amazing courage and shop is a great american. Patriot voted to his country. His family and his wife of thirty nine years. Mourn in middletown rhode island in nineteen fifty timid general. Michael flynn served thirty three years and nine states on in two thousand seventeen. He was appointed as national security adviser. President donald trump and he was subsequently embroiled in russia gate until his part by president trump on november. Twenty fifth two thousand. He is here to share his story with us in two episodes in his first episode. He'll talk about his military career there on wednesday. We'll talk about russia gig. I'm really pleased to welcome. My guest. Tenant general michael. Flynn my listeners. The beginning of my interview general clamp at a poor microphone connection which we corrected halfway through the when i considered asking mike to share his story with us i realized that the depth of his professionals the lifetime of patriotism the degree to which he had risen from genuine poverty as a child then a large family to serve his country to risk his life to be travelling back and forth. All parts of the world. Really understand the russia gate and how totally immoral and disgusting it is. You need to understand the person that the deep state decided to tournament and so i wanted to share both his personal story odd through his direct service to the country until he became national spirit buzzer. And that's what we're gonna do today. And then when you understand fully what an extraordinary patriotism. I think you'll better understand on wednesday when he talks about russia gate. How really disgusting immoral and unpatriotic the fbi and the deep state was in targeting him. And so this is. I think a very important lesson in the challenges of america or even a lifetime of patriotism can be by the left and in that context. I hope you find it really useful both to get to know. Mike flynn the general and then to hear him. Talk in the next episode about mike. Flynn fighting for his life against the entire each thing. So i'm really pleased to welcome my guest who tended general. Michael flynn. i want to go back to the beginning like that. Served twenty seven years in the country. So i have deep affection for the us army and for people who make their career. Thank you very much for having me on allowing me to shop so if you would general flynn let's star with thirty three years service. You gave to the united states in the us army. How did that all happen here. At the university of rhode island in the neuro to see. Why did you do that. And what was your experience of. The i have a long history in my family of service. In the armed forces both my grandfathers served in world war one have a grandfather that served in both world war one or two and my father was a retired mass starting from the army serving world war two in korea so i have a long long history at least over the last one hundred and twenty years from when my family came over from ireland in the late eighteen hundreds by have myself and two other brothers served in the military. I still have a brother who continues to serve in the military and i have a whole bunch of uncles and nephews and nieces who continue to serve the military did a review of everybody in my immediate circle. We have long service in the armed forces. And that's something that my father and my grandfather's taught us the sherve that services. The person form of thing that you were going to do. I always felt like. I wanted to go into the military. Felt like that was the direction that i wanted to go. And you'd think the university wrong. If you know anything about around you think that i would have gone the navy but i did not in my freshman year in college. I actually considered enlisting in the marine corps. And i went to a process to do that and got really really lucky through a variety of things with an army major in the rotc department. Which i was taking a class at the time as a freshman in college and thinking that was going to go into the marine corps that summer you know in some sort of delayed entry. He came to me during the middle of the summer and said. Hey we've had some scholarships turn back. We'd like to offer you if you would come back into school and focus on that. My father sat me down that night and he said this is a great opportunity. I really strongly recommend that you do that. So i did it and took a three year army. Rotc scholarship from the university of rhode island like they say the rest is history. But i will tell you that my very first assignment after going through ranger training and intelligence training my first debbie into the military was really in the world of electronic warfare which was relatively new at the time and it was emerging because a new ideas and technology. The my first assignment was in the eighty second airborne division and i think that having had that privilege and honor to serve in the eighty second airborne division as a young officer. It really gave me a foundational idea about the kind of things that i wanted to do to continue to serve. I'm not sure. If i had gone into another assignment or another place that i would have stayed. I can't sit here and say that. I would put having gone into the second early on. So that's at fort bragg north carolina. I ended up serving at fort bragg north carolina over half of my career. I served there almost seventeen years at fort bragg actually served at fort bragg as a second lieutenant all the way to forget your general and you know fort bragg newt for is the home of the airborne and special operations forces we always said if there was an emergency president was going to break lasts and dial nine one one that phone would ring at fort bragg north carolina because it's a home of readiness in rapid deployment and that was my initial entry into the world of the army as a young officer and i met some of the finest soldiers many of whom i am still very very close friends with a squad leaders affect i had one of my squad leader. Send me a picture the other day of photographs that we took us a squad leader in my platoon and we were down in honduras in the early eighties. Nineteen eighty-three an operation called hours. Tara i tell you that because the relationships that i develop stare led me tickly with the noncommissioned officers. My platoon sergeant. Juries immoral ernie sanchez role. Cologne i mean these are some really really tough guys. Many of them had served in vietnam. They were professions so that was a foundation assignment. Newt it was a springboard for me to understand what i wanted to do in the military. I wanted to be around units organizations and people like that had the same desire to serve this country and basically do what you believe. The military should actually do so from. I had a series of assignments. I went back and forth into training environments where i was an instructor for a long time for a couple years i went out to the twenty fifth infantry division for an assignment the other thing that i was taught in really by battalion commander tom. O'connell terrific guy. He was a original intelligence officer for the delta force when they stood up almost thirty years ago now he taught me two things really. And i think that those two things came also in values that i learned as a child. You know you know sort of treat others like you wanna be treated and to continue to get your education and that was something that he told me as a battalion commander. He saw something in me. He actually became my mentor. Throughout my long career. I have always stayed in touch with him. And one of these. He told me was about relationships with particularly with the noncommissioned officer corps. Because that's the heartbeat that's the sole and that's either our mission officer in the army or chiefs in the navy are gonna sergeants in the marine corps. Are tech sergeants in the air force. That's what makes our military different. I think my father was a master sergeant and retired and was a tough guy who fought in world war two in korea. My father spent almost over two years in korea. I really learned that. Those relationships mattered more than a other relationships that i needed to make. Although you work with other great officers. I could name channel officers who i served as the senior intelligence officer for in their own way. So four brag was a really big big opportunity for me if i understand correctly. Part of that initial experience at brag was being deployed as a platoon leader to grenada. Absolutely absolutely very early in your career. I think it was urgent. Fury was the name of the operation. Certain early days of the reagan era. Reagan basically was saying we're going to defeat communism wherever beers. Its ugly head to later. I deployed by platoon down to grenada and served there for a few months based on the operations that were there and had a great learning experience for me to watch really the fledgling beginnings in sort of early days of of joint operations combined operations working with other forces working with other services to higher level. People will say what it is but at the lower level. I think people really got stuff done right. Operation fury in grenada. I think that was nineteen eighty-three. And i also served in. Like i mentioned in punter for a little bit in the operation was called hours. Tara stands for pine tree and that was in the early days of targeting. You're going after the nicaraguan. The sandinista government again fighting communism as it was emerging in central and south america so my early formation of how i view things was really through that lens that strengthened and got me really to be more thoughtful as i studied what we were facing in this country why i ended up going the direction that i went and in various educational experiences. That's the military afford you. I really focused. On combining mike tactical operational experiences with becoming a strategic thinker. And i really wanted to make sure that. I wasn't captured by the tactical in lieu of understanding this strategic a strategic is more than just military operations military strategy. It's actually how the military fits into a wider geostrategic strategy. And i would say further operational assignments over my full career working in combat jones working in combat commands working in special operations commands working in cores joint task forces. All the way up to where i ended up the tentacle really was when i was assigned as the senior military intelligence officer in the department of defense of course as the director of the defense intelligence agency one of the largest intel agencies in the world certainly one of the in our country so i really was trying to develop myself. Because that's what they teach in the military knowing self development and leader development. I think that. I was really given the honor and the privilege to get to that level. Because i was capable of being able to combine the tactical the operational strategic and in geostrategic. This is john caldwell. 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And when you speak to your virtual representative let them know you want the free silver with your purchase even if you are investing in a precious metals. Ira you'll still get the physical silver delivered to your door texts. Newt four seven four seven four seven. Get a free info can on diversifying into indigo virtual. They have an a plus rating with the better business. Bureau countless five star reviews tech. Newt two four seven four seven four seven and opened a precious metals. Ira and get your free sober. Before december twenty first particular moments really should have been yet sir personal stories. Kind of illustrate. What you were going to kind wouldn't head in a moment. I came out of fort. Leavenworth command staff college and i had been selected to stay their second year in the school of advanced military studies which is essentially an additional year of training. Because you get chosen. It's competitive. I was assigned from there and i believe that was the summer of nineteen ninety-four. Have that right. Back to fort bragg north carolina and i worked for hugh shelton. Who was the corps commander and at the time. The operations officer for the corps was a guy named dan mcneill. Dan was a colonel at the time and dan retired as a four star as well and those are two officers. That really did have an impact on me. They were tough guys. They were terrific leaders. And i went to work for them. That's summer most people. Take you know thirty days before you go to your next assignment. I was called up the day before. Graduation told get here as soon as you can't. I showed up the eighteenth airborne eighty second airborne. Division was deeply involved in planning effort to invade haiti at the time for the operations at when we went into haiti in the fall in one thousand nine hundred stand at the same time. The coach of bosnia-herzegovina of that was building. Up forces were being placed over there. So i was an operational. Planner was a solid intelligence officer at the time. And so what. Dan mcneill did instead of put me over in the intelligence section working for the g. to dan took me in and made me the chief of war plans for the g. Three for the operational side. I stayed there for a year and one developed some terrific relationships but also good into immediately long-term planning for not only haiti all through that summer but also operations in and around the vulcans and then of course the pre invasion work and then the invasion that was planned for haiti and we were deeply involved in. That's when all that stopped. Forces were brought back on aircraft fort bragg north carolina because of the deal that was cut by jimmy carter general shelton at the time said okay. We're going to move the corps headquarters as a joint task force down to haiti and what we already discussed about operation. Urgent fury grenada. While shelton and mcbeal were in their own way involved in that event they really wanted to make sure that we didn't make some of the same mistakes going down there. I was sort of part of the inner circle are working directly for you. Shelton and dan mcneil's and other great leaders at the time. We were on the mount. Whitney and we were parked in puerto prince harbor. And we stuck down there. The elements of the tenth mountain division. Were on the ground and that really in terms of a personal story that impacted my career. It was those two officers who i watched and observed and took great lessons from but also how we operated in a complex difficult and in this case a difficult place to because he's not an easy place operating and operating with full coalitions in a sense but certainly a joint task force operation. That taught me a lot. I'm curious what was your personal reaction to the realities of haiti. I mean as you said. It's very difficult very complex place with a very tragic history when you first met there in your out there looking around. What's your reaction to the nineteen fourteen. My grandfather was on the uss baltimore and he was deployed into haiti nineteen. Fourteen and i kept this photo with me. Because i have a photo of my grandfather sitting on the beach with a couple of other sailors was a at the time sitting on the beach neighbor. Standing there with haitians because they had just gone ashore the other aspect of my life and my family. The guy who married my wife. And i name is phillip. Andrews will fill up as my cousin. Philip was actually appreciate appreciate working in the dominican republic. He spent twenty five thirty years here at the time. This is years ago. He was over there. You know building houses and stuff. So i had that personal relationship with somebody like deeply knew who is on the other side of the island if you looked at haiti for the first time with overhead satellite imagery when we were studying. You could tell the stark difference between this beautiful lush dominican republic side and that has a history of why they're like that and then the stripped eroded half of the island and berry incredibly poor people that are on that island. That have nothing. And i would say that. Even today they really have been devastated as a people but at the time as relatively young offshore is a major debt. When i saw that. And then i physically went there and observed it and witnessed some of the things that i saw like. These creeks that people were bathing out of washing their clothes in and animals read. And i had seen other things in central america my deployment sarah honduras into panama. But the starkness of what haiti was it shows you how far humanity will go to survive and so that experience as a major taught me a lot mike to his cervo places. How do you compare the bleakness in poverty of haiti with afghanistan well to obviously entirely different physical environments. I would say because of where the haitians are at geographically. They have access to more things but their reviews to haitian government nations people. I think are abused. By the various societies that have taken advantage of for various reasons narcotics as an example narcotics flow but saying that jumped into the geographical environment and the people. In the culture of afghanistan's i would say that there's a resiliency in the people of afghanistan that's even greater than the resiliency that i observed in haiti and actually elsewhere around the world. There's a resiliency in the people of afghanistan that i've observed i lived with for the better part across most five years. I can't say that i understand it. I observed it. I try to be compassionate and understand the cultures that operate within by guts chance to know many many afghans and i walk around a lot of villages and they have resilience that is just unimaginable. I think two people in this country we just can't imagine what how they are able to live and survive in some cases in a very barren environment in other cases in an environment that is filled with resources yet not convinced and because they're so isolated geographically there's no ocean that they but up against that means everything has to come to them or they have to go get stuff but the resiliency is vastly different than the resiliency that i saw in the human spirit in afghanistan. Then then you end up in almost every place that we have a real conflict here in iraq with the joint special operations command in you really create first big integrated use of modern data to go after the opponent. Senator john just briefly about how. You're integrating drones and cell phones and computers amazing array of information flow right when i was tapped to go be the senior intelligence officer for joint special operations command at fort bragg. He lives in summer of two thousand and four. I knew i was going to be going there. In fact i did a short of a recon for about ten days with the command in april. Two thousand and four. You know the out grave situation was unraveling all kinds of stuff. going on. it was a mess. Knew it was a mess. So when i returned after my recon july of two thousand and four i ended another assessment in multiple locations that the cameras in and one of the things that i learned the coordination of intelligence between caps between our own internal tribes that were joint that in afghanistan there was other nations involved was really lacking and it wasn't a function of the poor leadership or anything like that. It was just complex and we're talking about an enemy that wasn't just in iraq. They were a very network very virtual enemy. And so i took some of my own background and training but one of the other moments like went into. I walked into a detainee compound. Where bags and bags of computers and pay for and photos in passports and some drives all the kinds of things that you can imagine and i said a young analyst who was working there. I said what's all that in. She said because there was another pile of it on the ground. She said. We'll all the operators when they go do arrayed they bring all this stuff back and dump it here. I was like okay. We definitely got to fix this. When i witnessed that and i started to fix that problem we doing about six raids of months to capture or kill high value targets right high value al qaeda targets al qaeda in iraq and afghanistan. We were doing about six rates a month in the next corresponding two years by june of two thousand and six we were upwards of thirty rates a night or anybody that understands warfare doubt level with special operations. Need what i call bulletproof intelligence and a machine back that up to get them on target so to speak and i got the right people around me who i still say. Today are still some of the best friends that i have. And we're still helping the country in different ways but we created a system to move intelligence from the battlefield literally the tactical battlefield right there at the rate site to an operational level and back to washington. Dc and then back onto the battlefield in real time. And i mean like when people in washington dc or the intel community in dc. Talk about real time intelligence. Were providing that while in those days knew that wasn't true and in my previous experiences that wasn't true show. There was a lot of machinery that had to be put in place and people that needed to come to the battlefield so we had a direct connection back to the twenty four hour operational systems that we have back in places like tampa. Central command is or special operations. Command headquarters are or into washington. Dc or elsewhere into of the places. We work very closely for example with the new york city. Police department and people don't know that because new york city's always been target number one for the country and we always saw intelligence where there was always going to be targeting. They're all these pieces. This very complex. I called piece puzzle. And i'm not sure we ever finish that puzzle but we put a lot of it together in a very very short period of time and i would say in about a six month period of time. I was a young colonel at the time. Maybe that's when they started to go all this a real pain in the rear end. But i was putting demands on it because we were being directed by the national command authority. The president united states to win and we were being directed by the national authority to go after certain individuals. And my god. There's so many stories about miracles. That happened on the battlefield. Because of the connections of dots by young analysts by young interrogators by young professionals who came in to help us in the intelligence machinery that we developed established and it was everything from forensics of computers to integrating unmanned aerial vehicles and drums and then networking the so what across multiple countries. Not just iraq. Not just afghanistan but i would say probably twenty seven nations where we ended up and i think true very very effective liaison network that was developed in from our organization out we took the battlefield and we brought it to washington dc so to speak and so we had liaison who were up twenty four hours a day and our leadership would say you know we would do a request to do something because some of the stuff. We need the secretary of defense as approval and we didn't want to wait because we had is on target so to speak right so we would want to move the bureaucracy. I would wanna know who's inboxes it in right now and so we essentially plant at our own people inside the pentagon twenty four hours a day to move documents part of inboxes as you know the bureaucracy can kill us. It can kill a capability can kill time and it can kill opportunities that we need on the battlefield which is moving at the speed of light so bottom line our ability to go from six raids and he's very very complex rates a month to approximately thirty a night and in many cases when we got to that level we were actually turning so we could do arrayed at twenty two hundred and from that raid site. We would actually go in to get information. We wouldn't necessarily just to capture somebody. We would go into get information because we knew that particular person was carrying a thumb drive or laptop and we would take that information immediately. Turn it and we would be conducting raids from the information that we discovered at four o'clock in the morning with a another rating force or the same rating for because the operators that we have. They're the best in the world absolute best in the world. I just hope that appreciates what we have in our capabilities because their extraordinary but those individuals they were doing it because they believe in our country they believed in the cause they believed in trying to save lives of other conventional forces around the ground who are being targeted by d. by improvised explosive devices and by other attack by some of these people against our conventional forces so the integration of special operations our conventional forces. That's pretty extraordinary. I would just say newt that for me it was a massive team effort because we created a bunch of true believers that were on the battlefield. And when you're on the battlefield and that's where you live you breathe and that's who you breathe with. And that's you know that their sacrifice is going on your attending memorial services of guys that went on a raid. Were killed at night or you're going to ramp ceremony in bosra or some other airfield where we're putting a casket on the back of the airplane. That is the starkness of reality that one can only imagine in combat and the type of person that i can't live with myself unless i leave it all out on the field and do everything humanly possible and if that means breaking down bureaucratic walls back in washington. Dc which we did then. That's what it takes. If i ever felt like somebody was gonna fire me. That's fine. i know that what i was trying to achieve was the right thing. you know. Morally legally ethically and spiritually so to speak because one thing to my father taught me from his experiences. And i learned is there's no atheists in a foxhole when you have a threat now that wants to kill you. I'm curious with the average age of your young analysts. We had sort of top tier analysts. That were mentors for the junior analysts that showed up and we would do that. we would do that purposely. So our top tier people would be late thirties. Some cases they early forties. We would have to bring them and particularly initially to mentor and to teach because the best analysts are risk-takers as well. They're not just eurocrats. Look at a piece of information and they're afraid to actually say what does it mean they say while there's the information we have people in our ranks that are like that and i had to tap into them but the average age i'd say mid to late twenties and these are not just military but civilian analysts. We brought in from the defense intelligence agency or from army intelligence particularly army intelligence helping out quite a bit 'cause my relationships to people in washington. Dc that were in. There were senior army officers. That helped me out by. Dia came on eventually and they helped us out quite a bit. 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I will tell you. Iraq is safer afghanistan safer than washington. Dc i did not go to washington. Dc or get a sign that was a two star. And so how did that happen. Well i had been operating for years at least three years. And then i was selected to be the j two of the senior intelligence officer at central command and about three months into that and there was a lot of things going on at that time historically and from a military perspective and certainly from a strategic perspective. Well my past. Then cross with mike mullen who you know and i got a call one day into the office of my boss who was up four star and he said how do you know mike mullen. I said i don't know. I never met him. And i knew it was the chairman and i was one starts time. And he said well he just called me up and said he wants you to come to washington. Dc and. i said you mean took like brief them. Nagorno he you to be a sign. There and i had been at central command in tampa for about three months but the time that was fox. Fallon is a great leader and a great guy and another person who i stayed in a good relationship with him further on but he was another tough guy so he ended up fight. Mike mullen. I think i did go up to visit at amman at the time and i had a great conversation with him and everything going on central command and at the time admiral fallon was able to convince Admiral and to keep me at central command for at least he tried for a whole year. I don't think i was quite there year. Probably ten or eleven months. If i remember right and then i was assigned as the senior intelligence officer for the joint chiefs of staff and work directly for ataman. He was former team at the time. So i was in centcom from two thousand seven to two thousand and eight two thousand eight. I go to the pentagon and now. I'm a promoted stars. Select a two star. And now i'm into the depths of what we now. Call the swamp of washington dc. I wasn't out of my league then. Because i had been in and out of washington. Dc quite a bit. And i had us really really strong network of people both in the intelligence community in in the political round. And i had a great relationship with admiral. Mon- i think he's a terrific guy and great leader. He was a great chief. I worked for him for about a year. When you look at two thousand eight to two thousand nine and geo strategic dynamics around the world ami went through an economic crisis and in the presidential election the obama administration comes in and stay changed. Their strategy over in afghanistan and i had already served in afghanistan quite a bit in that theatre over iraq. I'd spent quite a few years over there. So when they changed the strategy and they changed the horses as they do in politics and in the military at senior levels that was called into mike mullins office again and he said i'm going to send you over afghanstan one of these moments. Where like you mean to go do a temporary duty. Go over there for a couple of days and do an assessment for he goes. Now you're going over there with stan mcchrystal and i said okay. No problem and literally went back home till my wife again to plan. She said okay. That's such as life. And i went over there for another year and a half. I deployed literally a couple of days. Later and i stayed in afghanistan for another year and a half until almost the early winter of two thousand and ten timeframe so it was over there in afghanistan. Two thousand nine to the early winter of two thousand ten and then return back to washington. Dc again because as a senior at that level in terms of rank. Either you get out you deploy or you go back to washington. 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The Chris and Joe Show: Breaking down the win over Washington

Big Blue View

25:51 min | 1 year ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Breaking down the win over Washington

"I want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any any Ninja Warrior Fan and you're listening to the Chris and Joe. Show presented you by. SP nation in big blue view. I'm signed. Jo deleo joined by Chris Forums Discussing New York giants recent victory over the Washington redskins twenty four three now. I have to allude today's episode with the fact that we were not able to get out a quick. Take show and I just wanted to briefly apologize for the inconvenience of not having that content out we had a minor scheduling issue because as many of you know I am a long snapper. The University of Rhode Island and our coaches decided to have an unannounced practice right after the game as soon as it's finished so it kind of conflicted with our typical recording schedule. I promise that I will not allow something like that to happen again. Chris and I will be still giving you are quick takes so like I said the giants did end up getting the victory this weekend but there was a major caveat that came with that victory and that's our first news the headline which is Ryan Conley Rookie linebacker from Wisconsin. We'll be out with a torn. ACL But it is also worth noting that recently the giants claimed an outside linebacker comebacker and edge player in Chris piece from Uva so Chris. How was this linebacking situation looking at the moment. it looks a little thin. I'd say right now. The giants are Kinda hoping that they can take this end or allegory back from injury this week as they're facing a good team in Minnesota Vikings and right now they're looking at nate stupar and David Mayo starting for them at linebacker. I think we'll probably get into this a little bit more later. I was reasonably impressed with Mayo but that's still not an ideal situation for them. They are not ideal considering you have those two guys in Tay Davis in alcohol. We'll treat who are capable of playing right away in it an average level at best it doesn't help that the two injuries that they're trying to recover from a hamstring for Ogle tree tree and a concussion for Davis that both of them have tough timetables for return especially a hamstring in a position that you're expected to be able to run in move quickly klay from sideline to sideline for Alec Ogle tree because if that things nagging you have to essentially keep yourself off your feet kief yourself from doing those explosive movements movement's until you completely have no issues with that at all in I've had hamstring issues before those things can really Nag continue to bother you especially even if he gets healthy throughout the season and then the Kokoshin is obviously just a case of being in clearing protocol which for some guys takes a lot longer than other players now we're going to go into doing our typical breakdown of the game giving you the positives and negatives for both sides of the ball offensively Chris. What is our per our first positive live from the victory over the Washington redskins. I would have to say dangled Jones being sacked and very specifically a sack and almo. I should have been sack. Jackie turned into a sixteen yard pickup really yeah and almost sack that he was able to allude. Put this in our notes in saying that Daniel Jones is a tough. Sob takedown and you really don't even consider how big and strong is when you look at him because he does seem a little thin in in in in long in that sense but he is a a tough strong kid whenever he's taken contact. It's been two weeks in a row where we've seen plays that were almost certain sacks that you you're looking at the plane out great. It's another sacher. Oh the third down and long situation is dead here. We're we're going to have to punt and he comes squeaking right out of that thing and ends up finding an opportunity to get the ball off. Forget I down Yup. I have to say the Washington. Defensive coaches might have some things to Santa their players. Were they take a look at the tape again. Particularly with their they're tackling Jones's ability to stay on his feet even while he's weathering arm tackles attempted armed tackles. That's nice to see that does speak his athletic ability his size and it always kind of amazes me how you can have a six foot four six five two hundred twenty two hundred and thirty pound quarterback looks small behind offense lineman but those guys are. I don't know if the Washington defensive coaches will have much to say in the next few weeks. 'cause there's a pretty good chance they might end up getting fired. Somebody's somebody should be saying something to yeah something. Should someone should be saying something we just don't know who considering the that situation for their coaching staffing the possibility of Jay Gruden and a number of other coaches being fired in the next few weeks because of a lack of production so another positive though that we noticed from the game was is the performance of Wayne Goldman in most specifically his efforts in the receiving game is efforts as being able to be a potential secondary threat that can come in on third down if Saquon Barkley needs a a break here and there he ended up finishing with six catches for fifty five yards in that wonderful touchdown on the first score the game for the giants aren't I was impressed with the way gone played even though he fumbled the ball towards the end of the game which is obviously always a bad thing but his his game as a whole was really good. He looked good running the ball. I think he showed a bit of shifting in Jilin. We hadn't really seen from him. Previously yes late when he was starting briefly in twenty seventeen maybe when he came on on those rare times. Barclay needed some relief last year. I actually wouldn't mind if the giants plan to give him some whole drives wants. SAQUON. Barkley returns to health because he is. He isn't a dynamic back but he is a do it all back. He can keep an offense on schedule. He can pass protect. He can catch the football and and he can run the football. I think he does have what it takes to be a starting running back in the NFL just not for a team that also saquon Barkley. That's a very good point about being able to start. It just so happens that saquon Barkley has the guy currently ahead of him but you put it up there perfectly we were able to acknowledge that he is a top level number two running back and they can use him in any situation that they need to now. He's not as explosive as saquon Barkley. He's not as much of a game changer saquon John Barclay's but it's good to know that when saquon Barkley is getting a lot of touches and carries Winnie needs that quick break on you know after a third Downer on a next Dr after maybe he has a big rush something like that that he can just come in do his job do his role in do it effectively in pick up those yards in those big chunk place yeah and that's really what he did for. Clemson that last year he he wasn't coming off the field but he was picking up those plays. He was getting chunks of yardage. He wasn't making huge fifty five yard gains returning nothing into a highlight reel but he's just very very consistent. Didn't he did everything the offense asked him. Yeah did everything that was asked of him in that really had an impact on the game although now there are obvious negatives that came from this this victory for the giants because they did end up playing a sloppy redskins team which we're going to get to more so on the defensive side of the ball the first negative though being Daniel Jones throwing two interceptions his first two interceptions of his his NFL career and they weren't exactly the smartest decisions. What did you see from those place Chris. I saw a quarterback hysteria his receiver down down and telling the defense exactly what was coming both times actually. I think all three times because he should have been picked off at third time but but Josh Norman dropped the ball. It just went right through his hands. Jones really never looked anywhere else except for where he was going to be going with the football the ball and then it just seemed he patted the ball a few times hung onto it a little bit longer than he should have and let Quinton Dunbar undercut throughout and it just take the ball away. I don't WanNa make any excuses for Daniel Jones but this goes in in line with what I said after the bucks game in our breakdown of that game when they got the victory that they're going to be ups and downs to his season. He's obviously GONNA throw interceptions. He's GonNa make boneheaded rookie mistakes. It just so happens. It ended up being. It's a very bad team so those mistakes didn't really affect the outcome of the score. It's better that he makes mistakes now earlier on in his career in these early the games and that he learns from them that he knows when not to force the ball and when not to look down a receiver for too long and also a better time some things that first interception was really the result assault of him looking at sterling shepherd for too long and then deciding to throw it right as Quinton Dunbar was able to come down and make a play so those were the only two turnovers in the game. There were also two fumbles by Hillerman in Wayne Golman in situations that you don't really want fumbles. Is that going to be really a cause of concern. I don't think so I I think we've seen enough from into no. He doesn't really have a whole lot of ball security concerns Hillerman. He is an undrafted rookie. We we haven't seen much from him. We'll probably see him on the field more just backing up Gaughman while we wait for Barclay to get back healthy once I don't think is a problem and this goes for all three players. The the problem I think would come is if they keep making these mistakes. Keep having ball security issues. If Jones doesn't learn to more judicious with the ball maybe get through as Reza little bit quicker not him through reasonably quicker. Maybe have better discipline your end. If hillman Gaughman play with better overall security tuck it away protect the ball as they're going into contact you know I remember we used to see Ahmad Bradshaw. He would always get two hands on the ball whenever he never contact was coming. It would be nice to see see them. Play with that kind of ball security but right now once is not great. I had awesome timing to do it against a team. That was just completely inept. I don't think it really becomes a problem unless we see these issues. Persist not get fixed. I think part of it might be a case of just inexperienced for them. John Hillman's obviously a rookie from rutgers and Wayne Allman additionally is not as experienced in getting as many reps because of Saquon Barkley being ahead of him so I'm not ultimately that concerned because they're not getting thing that many touches touches as soon as Saquon. Barkley comes back Goldman's going to go back to that second role secondary role of being the backup running back so it doesn't really give you a lot of confidence right now but still I think those issues will be resolved. They'll be fixed just because there is an overall lack of experience and you said Saquon Barkley will be coming back at some point one point eventually they will be back so hopefully there aren't any more issues with fumbling the ball all from the running back position now. We're taking a look at how things look defensively but before we do that we're going to take a short commercial brake. Check out the American can injury or podcast for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says during the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all already spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants warren middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP now on the defensive side of the ball and this game was very interesting to evaluate defensively specifically thickly for the reason of how many penalties were incurred by the Washington redskins and how overall sloppy they were especially without starters and elite players like Terry maclaurin and Brandon Scherf eventually we did have Dwayne Haskins come into this game in relief of case Keenum who had an abysmal start his game however there are positive positives and negatives that we can at least give some insight on in the first one being the amount of Saxon turnovers. They were able to rack up four. I force turnovers four picks being all of them in three sacks that were racked up in this game so overall pretty good a difference of performance yet definitely the definitely the defense definitely looked as if he was playing faster than we'd seen in previous weeks especially at the start of the game game. I think that had something to do with the giants playing a more aggressive especially did a more aggressive stellar defense especially in the in the secondary playing man coverage right from the first snap and I think that showed in hell comfortable Janoris Jenkins and De'andre Baker locked yeah they did really look more comfortable and Johnny Jenkins ended up having to interceptions in a better day. It does end up helping obviously when you're not facing very good receivers receivers and you're facing a quarterback who is throwing his first passes of his career but they ended up spreading things out as far as the guys that had the SAX. There wasn't a single guy that had Asari there was one guy that had one loan sack and it was Ryan Connolly who is obviously out for the remainder of the season but the remainder of the the the two sacks was spread evenly between we know Shane's Jimenez Marcus Golden Dalvand Tomlinson into czar skipper so I think that's pretty positive seeing that a number of different guys can make those plays as when they're given the opportunity to they might not possess an elite pass rusher right now but at least it's positive seeing that there's these young guys going out there and making plays. Yeah Yeah and the defense is is warning to the ball. They're getting multiple guys getting to the ball on just about every play so like you said they don't have a the elite pass rusher. They don't have Khalil Mack. They don't have von Miller but they do have a number of players working together to make plays in there. Certainly they were a lot of plays that they made in this past game and how the other positive that we had and it's a little bit simpler just for the reason of how sloppy Washington redskins pins looked and that is their ability to capitalize on mistakes this week they did not stoop to the level of their opponent because they were facing a team that was incredibly depleted of talent and they were able to capitalize on those issues they were able to get those turnovers one of them resulting in a pick six Djibril peppers and then overall just taking those opportunities that we're giving to them missed assignments and blocking. You need to take those sack. Make those plays there were able to have a consistent a day in doing that all around yeah. I would even expand that to say both sides of the wall capitalized on Washington's mistakes. The defense kept in Washington from getting points off the giants turnovers. The giants did a good job on offense of really making something of drives when Washington did them. I'm the favor of committing penalties extending those drives for them. This probably could have been a trap game for the giants but they didn't they didn't fall into the trap didn't play a perfectly clean great game themselves but they at least they didn't plug it down to the quality of their opponents. Yeah that was really a key here because a lot of people coming into this game assumed and thought that the scheme should be a walkover win considering the difference in talent went and they were able to do exactly that they were able to come out swinging. They're able to work through some early mistakes in capitalize on a victory in which a rookie quarterback who was not not really prepared to play at the moment struggled at times so we were not able to formulate any serious negatives just because the the Washington redskins were incredibly sloppy. They had a immense number of turnovers. I are not turnovers penalties rather to to the point that I really don't even have a count of them. It's not even worth checking. It was well over ten. There were also some in which the giants declined so that number is even higher so a lot of mistakes by this team the team that has been bit by the injury bug early really can't evaluate any negatives from this that was just for Washington inside of things just a terrible game. They never really looked competitive at any point in the game. Every time they would make a play play and they did have instances where they've had big plays but they were immediately wiped out by penalties which I did happen to have this open in front of me. There were twelve accepted penalties for Washington and just put that in context they had fifteen completions that was just a terrible game and there's a little bit frustrating because while all wins count all winds are great. We don't really have a sense of where the giants are. You're a team as a team that is in the middle of rebuilding based on this game because yes they held their opponent to three points but their opponent held themselves to three points. They could not get out of their own way with a tow truck in a map. I think that this game is going to be important important for evaluating the tape just because they need to understand what worked and obviously they're going against a bottom feeding team right now on the leak. They're going into team. It's probably not GONNA win. Many football games and then it was also at their lowest low considering the issues that they were dealing with their best players being hurt so so not a ton you can really get from looking at this game defensively from evaluating tape but something does need to be acknowledged from it because going going forward. Whatever worked needs to be focused on because there's going to be some tougher games down the road? Yeah I would definitely focus on keeping up the emphasis emphasis on aggressive coverage in the secondary. If I noticed the giants were playing some dime defense on obvious passing situations they would take Mayo and Connolly both out of the game and replace them with defensive backs that seemed to help it helped the defense play faster and seemed to create a little bit of confusion on the part of the Washington offense so that's something I would probably continue and they had the defense playing downhill playing a pretty aggressive one gap scheme at least early those were things. I think that were successful. They should look at continuing after this victory. It puts the giants at two and two which is relatively in unexpected start. I don't know about you Chris but I was not really expecting a successful start at two and two I it's not that I wasn't optimistic of the season but none of us really knew Danny. Oh Jones was gonNA come in and look like a pretty competent starter in his first two career starts so for that reason it's worth acknowledging in discussing how all the outlook of the NFC East is at the moment so were a quarter of the way through the season as far as games played the Dallas cowboys suffered their first. I lost and there are three and one after losing the saints right behind them. The Eagles who picked up a victory over the Green Bay packers on Thursday night football giants attuned to as well and then right behind them is the four Washington redskins so Chris. What I'm kind of curious is how do you expect them if they continue on this project and they continue to play well. How do you expect the NFC standings to look. Do you expect them to Kinda sticking at third spot and maybe be hovering a little bit below in around five hundred right now. I think that's that's probably a pretty good expectation. I don't think they're going to be able to overtake the Eagles and as much as I hate to say it right now. Dallas looks like the classes of division and Washington is right where they belong. They have earned where they are just through all of the shoes shoes they are going through. I don't think the giants will overtake them in the cellar but I also. I don't exactly see them overtaking the eagles either. I still firmly believe that. This team is going to hit. Its mark at around five hundred. If there's a little bit over it that's a pretty big positive that if they somehow finish nine and seven but I would say in that Six and ten seventy nine range is really realistic because they did the box ended up being better than people expected because they ended up being beating the rams but this victory over the redskins ended up being a bit of a handout and they do have some tougher games going forward for them to finish with a good record you would need them to play very very well against the eagles and the cowboys and just looking at an overall comparison defensively they just don't match up very well with either of those offenses so just let's being realistic. I think that third spot is about where that sounds right but I don't think that's really a huge negative if they finish in third this team which we've been talking about the whole year is rebuilding. They're finding their identity. They're trying to develop these young players and if you finish with around five hundred with that record that is a huge positive for a team that is mostly filled with guys that are under twenty five and they're they're going to have to have have more weeks like this where they win the games. They're supposed to win and then maybe they'll be able to catch some more teams by surprise like they did with Tampa Bay last tweak who I think pretty obviously seemed to prematurely take a victory lap once they went into halftime with eighteen point lead and Saquon Barkley out of the game yeah that'd buccaneers win was really an example of them catching someone off guard because I honestly believe that buccaneers team's going to be pretty good in in the NFC south there there might be a lot of people doubting them and they're still the same bottom feeding team but if you can go and put over fifty points on the Los Angeles Rams. That's a pretty big deal. So big big key. Here is winning the Games that you're expected to win that being those of the bottom feeding ones like they have to play the jets. They have to play the redskins again. Those are the games that they need need to come out and win but they're probably going to be in tight games with better opponents and they might not come out with that victory which is essentially where you would end up getting that around five hundred bucks yeah and they do have a a tough game coming up this week with the Vikings. We'll be taking a closer look at that later in the week but it's something we should at at least start thinking about. We are both already thinking about this game especially considering that they fell to Chase Daniel leading the bears so we're gonNA take a look at the tape. WE'RE GONNA get back to you on Thursday. 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EP-228 | US Army Ranger & Special Missions Unit, JC Glick - Building A Soldier That Mattered

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54:47 min | 1 year ago

EP-228 | US Army Ranger & Special Missions Unit, JC Glick - Building A Soldier That Mattered

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Us DOT COM for military. Might glad we were able to carve out some time and put some on the calendar here. Well thank you for having me. It's a it's an honor. I I love I love this show and I. I love who you've had on and I am ambled to be included in this. I know that you spent some time in Ranger Regiment. Correct dead. Yeah so now. You're an officer so did you go into. Ocs Route ROTC West Point. What was it I was an ROTC guy out of the University of Rhode Island okay But from the time I was a cadet I knew I wanted to be in the Rangers. I My first assignment was at the eighty second airborne division and I I As soon as I had the requisite time to to put my back in for the regiment I did and at the time I had a brigade. Commander who was not necessarily pro ranger And so he said no And then another guy came in guy named Horst Carl worst who the day he took command called me into his office. Said here you WanNa the regiment and I said I Sir. He signed up on my paperwork and You know Luckily General McChrystal at a time was our. Ceo and I 'cause I was a senior first lieutenant. And he said Okay and I I went to Third Ranger Battalion in Nineteen ninety-seven and they had to like kick me out of there. You know screaming To go to the advanced course over the infantry hopkins occur of course in fact I got a letter from my branch guides that either. Go now or you gotta get out of the military. Yeah that's kind of the. I guess the bad thing about going to regimen is an officers and enlisted guy. We'll even back in the day. People would spend on average about three years and regiment and get out. Actually I think the time frame at that time frame for enlisted was probably about two years you know and then leave but there's guys now that's been there. Ten Twelve fifteen years blows my mind and in this because they get part of this whole tribe their regiment. They get very comfortable with that environment. They know the people on their left. And right you know. They feel comfortable with that that you know culture and everything that's there and they don't. WanNa leave but yet officers. Unfortunately it's you know it's pretty much just an assignment you can move onto the next one. Well the good news is You know I was able to come back again so I spent about twenty four months out as a captain and then right back in and was there from late. Two thousand one to two thousand five so ironclad again or at the reg. No I went. I started at the regimental headquarters. Okay I was a regimental air officer for a little while. And then I commanded Charlie Company in one seven five. No okay so one of these things that you asked to go to one seven five or was it. You were here that that's where I was selected At the time it was Kershaw was the commander. He ended up actually relinquishing demand to a rich Clarke Who was another phenomenal leader? So I was really really lucky and I was excited to go to first guy in Maine I I truly enjoyed my time. And once five yeah. It's really cool. That you've got a chance to actually had experienced several different of the battalions as well as regimental headquarters to see the differences there but then also spending time in the conventional army. What did you kind of take away or bring to the conventional army from that so I think the first time I went back after. My lieutenant time It was it. Was You know we started? I was actually Put into when we were setting up the strikers the the brand new unit and so kind of bring that mentality guy named Nicholson was the battalion commander and there were two of us. A guy named Pat Work and I who who were both from Third Ranger Battalion. He picked US both in. We commanded next to each other And they wanted to create the striker thing that they had the mentality of a ranger battalion on wheels. And you know I think think it was a it was a natural fit so I got to kind of continue to bring kind of that ranger mentality that that ranger philosophy are along with Abram charter into this brand new unit was just starting off. That's fascinating actually. I didn't even know anything about that. you know. There's always been this bit of a rip between you know those Guys Eleven Mike Levin Bravo's and you know the whole mechanized and everything in some cases guys didn't volunteer for mechanized. They came in eleven accident getting picked up for that. You know it was a as a bit of one of those things in the military but you know in your case. There was a discussion a true discussion about all right. There's going to be a need here. We can't always be light infantry we've got to be able to to shoot maneuvering communicate you know? So what's the fastest way that we can get there and speed to the assault? Is the big thing you know. It's the whole reason. Why the M One? Abrams started changing the whole. You Know War Book and everything about how we're going to fight the battle because the speed of a JP four jet engine in the back of that thing rewrote history. Yeah and so it was fun to be on kind of the ground floor of of this this new idea that I mean and they put the right leadership I mean I. I had great leaders above me an incredible NCO's and you know until Nine eleven all we did was trained. We didn't pull any duty so I was in a shoot house probably as much as I had been in the Ranger Regiment So it was really. It was great and we had this new platform and I again. I'd agree commander. Who said hey go figure out how to use this having been a ranger platoon leader? Go figure out how to use this in a ranger like fight and it was awesome. Do you think that it had something to do with the Black Hawk down incident? The fact of you know the Tenth Mountain Division coming in in helping a in that situation some stuff in vehicles or or do you think it had nothing to do with it at all. I know that had anything to do with that. I think that we saw in the military. There was this there was a a very heavy mentality. That was certainly Projected at a near peer enemy and then we had these small units that were focused on irregular warfare or a symmetric or the asymmetric threat. And you know I give Shinseki A lot of a lot of credit because I think he saw that the asymmetric threat was going to happen and we needed to have some sort of a hybrid force that could handle the asymmetric threat and he picked the platform. That was spectacular. And he you know but we got to keep that light fighting mentality and we weren't. We weren't tethered to our vehicles. The vehicles were quite honestly. They would be in support by fire. They were big machine guns that we could. We could put somewhere right. And sometimes we could roll up and we wouldn't be you know Exposed for as long so I think it was. I think it was a a nod kind of irregular warfare that we we ended up seeing so they don't think you know I think Shinseki gets a lot of a lot of grief for the black beret. But what? He doesn't get a lot of credit for not only having little pet project that all cheap staff have but he got it done in his tenure and it was thinking about the future fight. It wasn't just like little pet project that he'd always wanted to do since he was lieutenant. It was hey I think this is the kind of fight we're going to be fighting and you know. B B F C B. Two was there and I just don't think he gets a lot of credit for that and he should because I think it was It was a turning point in how we thought about war. Yeah you know you and I both know that. Every leader Chief of staff especially in a lot of those positions up there in putting their marker their stamp someway within the military is the reason why we have changed uniforms. Forty two times I think and so we used to joke. You know that every time a new leader comes into place in New Journal Officer. Their spouse decides that they want to change something about the uniform. I don't know if that's true or not but it certainly felt that way as you had to go out and buy new uniforms. Every time you turned around I think I went through a couple. Yeah couple of months. I know there was a lot of beef about the black beret going out into the conventional military but I personally think that it makes a uniform sharp. I know it's not a great headgear in terms of blocking the sun and those types of things but you know it. It allowed the military in a different way. I think to join together. Once they started learning how to wear it I think it took a period of time. There are a lot of people didn't know how to quite where the the beret the we probably should be warm but you know Now I think that it's not worn is often as it once was in that period of time frame and so it seems to be more of the norm. You know it's it's kind of fits group which everything and change in the military happens that way well and I think you know. I think it really depended on how you looked at it. You know at the end of the day even coming from the regiment. I was like it's a hat. Let's not get crazy And at the at the striker's we actually did a process where guys earned their beret. Just like Rangers earned their beret. We they went through kind of a ranger stakes. Kind of event for forty eight hours to earn their Beret When I when I was a battalion commander basic training. They earned their beret. I said you don't issue to collect all their berets up. When they get from their issue on day one you'll hand it to him at rates passage because it should be an urn piece because that was the issue is is earned not given and I if you gave it to them. Yeah you're right but you WANNA make it feel as special as it is and you don't have to take you don't have to take the pride away if you just make it something that they feel that they've accomplished together. It was it something when you came in the military that your parents or forefathers or somebody in the align had gone into were you the first kind of go into the military so I had A. I had a grandfather that was in World War One but he passed when I was probably like five or six So for me based. I didn't have the best childhood and There was a I was estranged from my dad for a long time and After graduating high school I got kicked out of that house and long story short When I finally was in college I really thought that was. I mean I had been homeless and here was doing well in college and getting on a full ride and I said it was very very patriotic. Thought which was I want to give back. I didn't. I didn't really know what that meant. They didn't really know what that looks like. But I knew I wanted to serve I started with the Marine Corps. Peel C. Program Met with ROTC. Recruiters say we'll let you be arranger and we'll send you jump at airplanes right now and ask for Marine Corps Guy said. Hey they said they'll do this. What what can you tell me? And they're like you'll be a marine. I'm like okay. Well I'll go do this army think but You know that's that's what I wanted. I wanted to serve but I wanted to serve with what I considered the best guys and I think that that's what most people end up wanting to do. I like when I came in. You know the the only way to go. Let's say Special Forces was go two years? You had to be an eve for two years. Active service those types of things middle bit more difficult and I always thought the same thing that if you ever if he ever got into a combat situation. This is pre nine eleven. The always wanted to go down range with the best people on your left and right and that was what was most important for those especially within combat arms. And you know going into this off community was you know an away to get additional real life experience training. They took it very seriously. They didn't you know training wasn't one of those things. You just went out there to get a couple of snooze and you know do a little bit of this or a little bit of that and stuff it was really about you know the battlefield and what you might experience in that timeframe I I experienced that in the Eleventh Armored Cav arrangement when I served with them It was the first unit that I had ever served with. It really had that kind of mindset and so I I can totally relate to that but you've spent you know enough time in you separated a retired as lieutenant colonel so outside of regiment. Would you end up serving so after the after my time at the regiment I went to the Metro. Group went to selection and were selected. And I stayed there. I was there from two thousand. And what to selection in two thousand sticks and was and left in two thousand eleven okay and We Return. When was it? I retired in two thousand fifteen So I was selected for Battalion Command. went to Fort Jackson to command Did that my last job was Running the army school for resiliency leadership and fitness and For Jackson was definitely a place that I didn't need to stay But I did retire in Columbia South Carolina and ended up staying then. I did end up staying in Colombia. Colombia's beautiful I love Columbia. Yeah and I'm sure that Jackson considered continues to get better but It was the first eighteen months of my command. Were probably the toughest time in my career really was it just because Leading basic trainees and those types of cancer. Now it was. It was so so we were kind of set up for failure. I think in my your group. There were like sixteen of who had served in the regiment who got selected for basic training and Dempsey sent out this note. That said you know track will no longer be a dumping ground. Were we're going to send proven warfighters And we want to change basic training. And you know I had by that time. I had eleven combat deployments and as like okay. I can get on board with that. That's great but he didn't tell anybody else that and then he went to be the chairman and I'm going with the in it. The last advice I got which was changed basic training and so. I'm trying to make things more realistic. I'm trying to get away from the obedience and more towards the discipline and you know. Have IT soldiers? Think and Do More Tactical you know things in and train them. Marksmanship throw away and man the The bureaucrats at for Jackson heated me really Because they were old school. Yeah because because I made I was making them work and you know I say that. That's not fair. That's what you mean Let me let me say it this way. I was doing it differently. They were uncomfortable without different was and it would. It required them to think differently. And that's hard tump sometimes for people. Yeah so for eighteen months. It's you know constantly getting reported up to C G and people want to get you fired and then This guy named Dobbs Seidman. Who wrote the book how I had a really good friend who Who's working for him? Who sent me the book and I called him and I said You know. I'm doing all the stuff that's in this book like. That's what we're doing until DOB came down. He spent two days with us and he wrote an article in Forbes and the chief of staff who is General Odierno at the time saw and wrote on his facebook page or a message he said. Hey what colonel. Glick and his drill sergeants are doing or what threats. The army ought to be doing and literally next day. I was only Gosh. Jc How are you doing this train? Everybody and it was at that moment. I'm like I'm done. Yeah it's not. This is not what I WANNA do anymore. Yeah you gotta go all the way to to the point where you get out into the media in order to change the military. Yeah there's definitely something wrong there. Yeah and not only that but as a battalion commander I would have thought that you would have had some black food you know. I'm sure you did as well. Well I and I took all the latitude world because I figured it's really hard to fire me. Yeah It didn't it didn't keep people from trying but You know I. I really wanted to create a soldier. That mattered a soldier. That wasn't you know some of the things that we don't realize is okay. So an average basic training classes. At twelve percent attrition rate but fifty percent of those that that start fifty percent. Don't make it past the first enlistment so we're missing a whole bunch more on the way so I- averaged contrition rate at twenty to twenty five percent and Fort Jackson was horrified because I advise Trish rate but the truth is those those folks we're GonNa go anyway and I wasn't. I wasn't doing stuff that was above the standard. What I was doing was actually holding them to what the standard sat and and teaching them. Okay you know for example. I talked about this. You know so so. My first book is all kind of about the experiences of changing kind of this mentality but there was initially this idea that it for Jackson. You'RE GONNA shoot. Let kids shoot until he qualified? So however many rounds it took you're GonNa let him shoot. The book says the at three opportunities to qualify. Well you know I said how about three opportunities to qualify if the guy already felt as if he's been a behavioral problem if he's been whatever he is not earned more than three times he gets with the minimum. Is You know this is basically his second straight right but a kid who has been killing on the gas then you know working really hard in in a good leader. Yeah give him more. Mo And there was this idea of what you have to treat them all same. Why would we treat them all the same? We want better soldiers. So you your reward guys. Who are doing who are better soldiers? Beneath a couple more rounds we give it to them and we ended up going through rounds than anybody else because we weren't just shooting everybody and we weren't holding everybody to three There was there was such a fear of actually in my mind. I felt a lot of times. There's a fear of actually of actually eating and making decisions. I know what the book says. But that's some dude who was sitting at the base minute Fort Benning and I'm here right now and I understand what this says and I think that you put me in. If you don't need me to make this kind of decision then why not put anybody here right right? Well I I wouldn't think do we want that kind of Soldier Anyway your to your point. I mean why. Pass this individual on. I think that's where we've gotten to the military where we pass the individual onto the command. Let the command deal with the the individual the soldier to determine whether or not there really physically mentally fit or capable of being retained within the military. And like you say you know. In most cases many of them ended up leaving before their first enlistment. So why did we help that out in the very beginning within basic training? Because I thought that's the whole purpose of basic training in the first place right is to separate those who will survive from those who probably wouldn't. Unfortunately you know and I will tell you that I had it very very credible career. I can't think of any leaders or NCO leaders that. I worked for or with that. I didn't think were awesome throughout my career until I got four accent and then I ran into a couple of a couple of both and it was. It's an and I'm glad that it was at the end of my career because it would. I probably would have been out a lot earlier. Had IT NOT BEEN? We find that same type of thing is. I'm sure you have as well now that you've separated within the private sector. You have those people who that's the way they've always done at. They're very comfortable in that space. They have old style leadership mentalities as far as you know they're not willing to Allow people to have flex time allow people to have you know. Be Remote or those types of things because they want to see everybody in a cube. Everybody in an office. Even those those settings are not always the ideal and it cost a hell of a lot of money to maintain that for a lot of organizations. Just all kinds of things like that and so I'm sure a lot of the lessons learned that you've had throughout your military experience. His definitely qualified you to go out and and talk with some of these these organizations about some of the struggles. Because I know I do it a I tried to educate but still I run up against individuals who are just not willing to learn. They're not willing to let go. That's the style of leadership that they want. Yeah Yeah and I actually. I'm writing an article right now. About the rise of the anti-establishment leader now guys like trump and sanders popular because they are anti-establishment. And I was just working with an organization and their leader of a man in their leadership. Said Hey your message. He went to one of my speeches. He goes your message. May play with these guys. But it doesn't play with senior leaders. We we don't want you know guys making their own decisions. We we care about the bottom line in that jet may help the bottom line right there. Well but but he wasn't gonNA be Convin- he wasn't going to be convinced no matter what I sat so basically. Yeah it's whatever fits the bottom line and it goes along with what I agree with. Yeah yeah so I was like all you know and and again he had had a couple of POPs so I probably shouldn't have even engaged with them as far as they did but he was very he was very clear about. You know it's a it's a feel good messages opposed to at works and I tried to explain. You know my rangers and and and my guys in aws and my guys. When I was a Battalion Commander. I focused on taking care of them. They took care the mission. I you know any any officer that says I'm taking care of the mission okay. We'll you're obviously. You're lying in your arrogant because once Once the plan's done they're they're executing they're making it happen and you you give him room to make it happen and you give guidance where they need it Y- and And you let them do their job and if you take care of your people they can accomplish anything. I'm a firm believer in everything you just said but I think the challenge out there today is that there are enough individuals that have been led unfortunately or fortunately however you may WanNa look at it by individuals who are of the old school mindset and so many of them felt like you've got to kind of earn your way from the you know the The mail room all the way up into being executive. You've gotTa know everything you've gotta you don't trust anybody. You know those types of things and not the nobody should be empowered to go ahead and think on their own you have to provide them the proper guidance and you gotTa then always verify every day to make sure they're doing it and that's why these people end up working you know sixty five eighty hour weeks because they don't know how to let go and they and they're the ones in having all the stress issues anxiety everything else he ends up going along with the job I I've seen it a lot and I seen also individuals who would go out on vacation. We get called back by their leadership because to them yet vacation is just basically a right. Not It's not a privilege and so you're at my Beck and call and if I'm going to have a staff meeting I don't care that you're over in Italy or wherever you're at I want you hear so they'd make five all the way back and in some cases it only be like a two hour meeting and that was it and nothing extremely important. But it's that control and that's the kind of the mindset that some of them have been placed into now and it's difficult to break that. Well I think the good news is you know and I and my second book talk about exactly everything that you're saying there but I think the good news is and I think it'll start with millennials. Everybody wants to. Rag millennials everybody to include to include the veteran community which. I think forgets that He. Those millennials are the ones that have been continuously fighting and continuously re upping and still joining even though we've been at war for almost two decades now but here's the other thing about millennials that most leadership doesn't like they demand good leadership right. I I would have you know somebody said. Hey we're going to fifty bucks. Go Shovel the driveway in the snow. And I I could think well it's still snowing so it's going to get covered back up but I would shoveled the driveway. Because it's fifty bucks and I'll do it. Yeah it'll stood still snow and I got it. But millennials go wait. I'm going to wait until it's done snowing. I'll still do it. Or maybe I'll get a plow or something. I'll do it that way there. The demand good leadership they demand to know why which good leaders should always be have been saying anyway And and I really think there certainly have the capability and the capacity that's greater than any generation before him so I'm a big fan of millennials. I just think that leaders have to adapt and feed them for the good and then the negative parts of the development part which every single generation has had the same developmental requirements. Will then we develop those parts you know? Every every challenge is an opportunity for us to adapt or us to educate someone else. So we're not willing to adapt a lot of time and we think that educating is below us and I think that's that's a bad. That's a bad way to think there was a book. I don't remember the author's name escapes me but I like to read a lot of management leadership books and one of them happened to be around You know if you're an individual and you place yourself on a scale of one to ten at a specific level that say you feel like you're a six as a leader you know you still have a lot of growth potential and of course that means you you really look introspectively. You take away the ego aspect of it and you really critically evaluate your skills. What you bring to the table and you say I'm a sex. You're not looking for a seven to be your leader. You're looking for an eight. You know a a nine would probably probably push you too far. You know it's just going to blow your mind at that point but an aide is a good comfortable spot. A seven is somebody. That's probably not going to offer you enough to challenge you on a daily basis. Where and you're gonNA fill like the individual probably doesn't know that much more but in eight is going to constantly challenge you and that goes to the millennial is looking for You know whenever I was an individual that was looking for a good leader. I was looking for that eight as a matter of fact sometimes I might even look for the nine and see if I could just keep my head above the watering because at probably learned so much from that individual you know and you know but that's the individuals who really want to challenge himself in and won a Sikh leaders who You know have a lot to offer and instead what we find out there is still a society of leaders that really don't want to be challenged on a daily basis. They really want you to go out and execute Whatever it is that they say they don't like to be questioned and That's the ones that are really the should be the dying breed. Unfortunately they're the ones in a lot of cases it continue to get promoted and moved on because they look the part they act the part they speak. Well all those types of good things in a very unfortunate glad that you're out there kind of share in that knowledge because maybe more we'll start listening at least the young people to drive change. I hope the young people listen because you know and I think back and I'm constantly saying that you know the I I don't know five or six years of my career I. I wasn't a good leader I was. We were altered. I I was kind of what I think the army made me and then I started to open up go ahead. It's doesn't doesn't make I don't like it when it happens to me. I don't like being treated like this. So there's gotta be a better way and again I worked for amazing leaders And and had the best. Nco's I mean I can count on one hand. How many bad ends he goes. I had in my entire career. I can count on one hand. How many bad officers? I worked with everybody that I was around. I learned something from because they were just. They were amazing. Yeah so you know I was really fortunate and unfortunately we've got to listen to those guys more and some of the guys who I look back and go. I wasn't very good. Well he made it two x level and you know people think oh well if you make it to that level than you were good leader now. That's not what that means. It means that you did all you did. All the points had to do to get to that level. It doesn't make a good leader. Somebody may have helped along the way. Yeah I I can. I worked with one leader. Who was he wasn't a leader. He was all about himself but he made it to the highest level. You know in the military and it's still kind of a household name today so I won't put you on the spot in issue. I want to switch gears now to today's timeframe because you separate out of the military Obviously talked about your written a couple of books and I want to get into that in just a moment but Along the way to you've done a lot of speeches and and you know I've been a lot of different platforms but you've just recently entered into a new role and I I WANNA get into what that role is because I think there are a lot of similarities here that we want to. We want to dive into like I am so excited yet so I just And February I became the national director for merging veterans in players whose mission is to take Former combat veterans and pair them with former professional or Olympic athletes to give them a tribe to give them To give them a group again. A locker room so to speak to empower them through that transition. transition can be a really lonely place and regardless of of all the great programs that this the the services put together and and even the you know the. Va Services that that help with transition. You're doing it alone. You're by yourself. And and being able to have that that tribe that empowers you and And and encourages you and helps you to be accountable to goals and and And your future and what we what we saw and so the guy the guy who developed this Jay Glazer Fox Sports Guy Balladur enemy fighter was a reporter for a long time. Still doing the Fox and Nate Boyer. Who was a green Beret And then You know played a little bit for the Seattle seahawks and got out There're so many Similarities between elite athletes elite level athletes and combat veterans. The things that they go through you know whether as as you had mentioned the Ti that fee T. E. issues The the lack idea the loss of identity you know I mean I always arranger. What was I when I got out? I'm not arranger anymore. I'm just some dude. You know I think of a good friend of mine. Who is a quarterback for fifteen years? you know two time. Pro Bowl Guy. He gets out and he's like well. What am I now how? How many times can I play golf with a bunch of guys? You don't understand me yeah Same thing was gonNA veterans. You know where they go out and You know here. They were in the euphoric. I may be in a combat situation In the fight long with the you know their brothers on each side and everything and then they come back home and they make the transition out there out in some location where there's probably not any military. They don't know how to connect they. Don't have a tribe to your point and Assam. I'm curious to know you know when you have individuals that I know. I know that there are people out there that at least say that a lot of these professional athletes that you're describing probably have a very high ego. So how is it that they adapt in day? Actually connect with the individuals. Who Come from you. Know THE MILITARY IN COMBAT VETERANS. And do they think of them as peers or do they think how they you know? Basically accept them. You know I think I think You Know Jay who who started it I think he he articulates it. Well any PHYS veterans look up to professional athletes. Because they're on television. They're they're whatever they'd know them. Athletes really look up to veterans because they recognize like. Oh my gosh. This guy worked so hard to do things. And they're they're truly odd. I mean they really are awed by veterans and their sometimes a little shy to actually open up about their accomplishments. Because they don't think it could even compare to veterans accomplishment so while you know having worked in and around the NFL. For for a little while I have seen Egos but I will tell you. That in that in program would I haven't seen the EGOS. I've seen you know guys. Who were you know? Six time Pro bowlers you know work out with with a guy who was you know in two seven Marines and talk to each other like they like they'd been friends forever because it's a shared experience. It's this idea that you know what made us different in the military different than a than a good portion civilian while all the civilians world but a good portion of the civilian world as we didn't do things for self. We did things for the team. We did things for those around us. A lot of athletes have been. That's been ingrained in them. Since they were very young they did things for the team. The made certain decisions for the team. It was about the guys that they're right and left in that in that locker room and that's something that translates really well and quite honestly one of the things that I've been pushing as a message now as the national director is. I want us to continue that. Let's let's do for others right so it's great that we're getting these people together and we're helping them in weren't powering them and look. We have. We've population center credibly under represented in any other veteran groups. We have a large Large homeless population that now is finding its way to get to get homes We have had substance abuse guys and we try to get them help because what we do is we're just that first step. Were were that were that I got your back so you can go do these other things to get better and I think that's really really important because I think you can have organizations that are that are taking care of guys to make sure they get homes and make sure that they get jobs and make sure that they do all these things but that first step is really the hardest and sometimes they don't even know where to go. You need like a Sherpa to to navigate the transition world. Yeah and so and so I like that. We can be that that. Sherpa that that. Hey I got your back. I'm here go ahead go. You know I'm Gonna I'm GonNa push you. It's kind of like being the the net on the tight rope. We want you to walk the Tightrope. We once you get to your goal but if you fall we're going to catch you and then we're going to put you right back up on the right tight rope you know. And there's some accountability right. We WanNa make sure that if you have a substance abuse problem eight to come here you got to be. We need you to be clean and sober and this is and so you got to go here to be clean and sober and then you can participate in program which is both sides right veterans an NFL. Because I'M AT ITS YEAH SUBSTANCE ABUSE. Those types of things find their self especially because both sides get injured on many occasions. Physicians ended up prescribing opioids or some kind of directive form. You know addictive form prescription medication and then it kind of spirals from there. Yeah yeah she'll she'll we're not. We're not a substance abuse program. We're not a sexual assault program. We're not a we're not a suicide prevention program. We provide the empowerment of a group. A group of like minded people that can help you get that for step that can kind of prop you up and give you a place to come at every week. You come and you see those same faces and what amazes me about a about MVP and we open up Our fifth chapter in New York City This Wednesday the eleventh of March. What amazes me as I? You know I've been out for four years. I go to different veterans things. Couple here a couple there. We continually have fifty to seventy people at program every single week. I've never seen anything like that in the veteran community. And you know a third of Amar athletes but most of them were combat veterans. And they`re. They're in they're working out and you know sometimes they're getting out randy couture and sometimes they're just doing it together and and They're part of something in their partisan thing it's bigger than themselves and so sometimes there sometimes they need the pickup and sometimes they're pick someone else up so you and I both have seen throughout social media the backlash of taking a knee. And so I'm just curious Has there been. Have you heard a lot of conversation around that because I could hear veterans? Listen to this and saying well why why do I want to get involved? Because he's very guys who disrespect you know Bob the whole thing and so I'm just Kinda curious some what you've heard from those that you're close to especially within the professional community. Yeah so I think it's really interesting. That Nate Boyer was actually the Guy You know. One of our co founders. Who was the guy who talked to Colin Kaepernick and told him? Don't be on your but actually taking the because it's more respectful than sitting on your butt. Which a lot of people don't know that story so I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah Yeah so so he. He did have that conversation now he he doesn't he doesn't like that he does it but he doesn't think that he's trying to Disrespect any veterans and You know I wrote. I wrote an article about this And what was funny about the article? It went viral and I was kind of a bad guy on both sides. Because you're allowed if he doesn't have a rule against something you can do it. Your relationship with your flag is like your relationship with your God. Whatever it is it's yours and So I believe in that free speech I really do. I you can do that. I think it hurts the wrong people but I get to some degree though. I'll I'll argue that you know. There's a an employee handbook and so people have to be very careful. You know there may not be a hard fast role but somewhere within that employee handbooks probably a small disclaimer. That'll help protect the organization that they felt like it's going to have a backlash against him. Yeah you would think it would. But it doesn't they don't. They just didn't have any rules. That all the all the coaches and I was I was advising with teams. When this all was going down people were asking me what. I thought I said you know I. I think there's got to be a discussion with your team about. Who Do you want to be The team I was with and supporting was Ron Rivera's team the Carolina Panthers. We didn't have anybody Neil and we didn't have anybody in the L. because they'll talked about it and they all decided this isn't who we WANNA be There was no these guys who are kneeling bad. You're allowed to have a perspective and bring attention to something. My only point was if you're going to do that then what's point to. What are you going to do next? Are you going to make this? Nobody ever solved anything by taking a knee. Bright right so take the knee and then what right But I mean look we have. We have theroux who we think is a great American philosopher. He didn't pay his taxes and he went to jail and somebody paid taxes for him and he got out and we think he's a great American. I'm okay with the I think I'm okay and I think most of us if we really thoughtful about it. That's not the flag that's on our brothers and sisters coffins. That's that's one piece of cloth that's in one location and it represents whatever you want it to represent right much like the cross much lake the star of David. It represents what you wanted to represent but that doesn't mean it represents it for everybody and and I think that Now it is not come up in our discussions in the huddle because quite honestly if it did I would probably say this. How is how is this conversation going to make us heal this in my mind what we do? Is We take something interesting and we make it important. Is it really important that he debt again? What would we have like three players in the NFL? Who are doing it now. Is it really important that they're doing it now? It's interesting and IT SELLS. It sells newspaper. It's Click Bait. It's not it's these three guys who probably won't be played in the NFL in three years. Yeah which is just more that that's the NFL yeah and look the NFL's got some got some issues. I talked about it and my first book that they've they've created some culture that allows this to happen and you know even when they tried to address it they said okay. You're not GONNA do this. And then a bunch of players said well. Then we're going to do it. You're going to kick us out. They got scared so they said okay. Well it's on hold then again. It's an interesting issue but when we think of I mean just just for example. One in three girls is going to be sexually assaulted before she's eighteen years old. That's an important thing that we should be talking about. Not whether three dudes are kneeling about the American flack. That doesn't that's not that's not affecting anybody's life but one in three girls. I mean those are those are somebody. Somebody'S LIST SOMEBODY. Who's listening to you? That's their daughter. That's a discussion. We haven't but we get confused and we start talking about all this stuff. That is interesting. But it's not and that's that's like a key thing for a leader right separate the interesting from the import. Take me to a means of what I could. Experience came to chapter session so What's great is warm up. Do you'll do a workout right. And IT'S USUALLY SPLIT. There's usually a little bit. Ma either some strike fighting or some Roland. medicine balls but nothing. Nothing too. Difficult to every everything is doable. For regardless of of maybe range of motion mobility fitness level. We we scale it as appropriate but we do this workout and we've been you know five or ten minutes kind of getting our cool doing a cool down and then we do the magic which is the huddle and the huddle is our ability to be transparent with each other our ability to share those things with each other that that really matter the the struggles that we that we have that we had or having The successes that we have are having What we miss What we don't Miss It. It's really this this place where where people are talking about things that matter right it. It's truly important and it's important. You know right then and there and and they're sharing and they feel like they're supported because they are you know they'll they'll admit to things and we'll see you know I struggle with this or I struggled with that and you know. I don't know how to deal with this and you know what do I do? And and everybody talks in shares kind of like athletes. You'll say well this is kind of how I dealt with that or love. Other veterans who like When know this happened to me this is what it was like? So that in my mind is the most powerful aspect of of what we do. Is that huddle? And what the huddle dozen then is they go out into the world and they connect with each other and now they have tribe. That's that's links that network is all over. It's it's really amazing. You have five chapters. You said one's getting ready to kick off in New York. So where's the other for it So we have one in Los Angeles unbreakable gym We have one in Las Vegas That's it randy couture Jim we have one in Chicago and we have one in Atlanta. Oh okay where's the one in Atlanta so we have to actually to programs. Were trying a pilot program right now where we're trying to have it twice Twice a week So instead of just one workout a week we go twice a week. And so we're at Let's see it's team MINU. Mma Jim which is in SMYRNA and the elite Sports Academy Which is in Buford and I'm sure if somebody goes on y'all's website they can learn more about where these facilities are exactly so what would be the website that they would go to a vets in players dot org. Okay that's banned players Dot Org. That's simplisafe DOT ORG and To An application if it's in one of the five locations they'll get a warm introduction from the program director in that city if it's not We'll send them a note and let them know you know we're going to try to get To Your City as soon as we can. The goal is We're GONNA do We want to have eight by the end of this year and the the ultimate goal is one in every NFL city. Wow that would be fantastic. And of course that would be close enough that at least most of the veterans within a pretty four hour distance or something like that three hour distance would probably be willing to meet you know. Make a drive. Get a chance to participate. You know within these big cities. Yeah and were were You know at the La Chapter. Which is the oldest sister the other night they had one hundred. Twelve people show up between veterans and and And athletes and natural amazing. Some of this is just all about the communication right it is. It is and it's about being hurt. I and stop being her about being able to go to a place where you're not judged. Where were you can talk about? Maybe what you felt on the field and nobody thinks you're an animal or what she felt While you're in combat and nobody thinks that you're broken Wow I'm actually going to go out there and make sure that when we do these episodes that we put the link to their website out on the show notes. So if you guys are listening you'll be able to go directly there and find the locations. Tell us about the the names of the books that you wrote and where people might be refined those so The first book is called a light in the darkness leadership development for the unknown which I wrote with Sarah knew who is an incredibly gifted young writer She had done. She'd actually worked with the DOB. Seidman who I mentioned earlier and was able to kind of put my thoughts kind of in some sort of a coherent manner. and The second book was Meditations of an army ranger a warrior philosophy forever. One that I wrote with Dr Alice. Atalanta and Again another phenomenal writer Who Luckily her knowledge of kind of The classics and the STOIC helped with this book. Because I wanted to be like Marcus. Aurelius is Meditations and they're both available on Amazon and also at Mvp Development Group dotcom They're both available there as well But they were. They were definitely fun to write. I think I think the second one might be a little bit more fun than the first one because I was still figuring it out on how to write a book right The second one I think was a little bit more me But it was. It was definitely enjoyable and and I've been very fortunate that you know the. Nfl is used them Education has used them a number of organizations of used them. It's up it's just nice that when the when the ideas out there and then people can actually get something out of them. Yeah now and it sounds like the books have a good strong background based on earlier conversations and mindset and leadership which you know or something that everybody really needs to pick up. You know the fact that you talk about medic meditation and calming and those types of things in a chaotic world that we live in today so important yes it is and And it's really about you know maybe being kind to ourselves and being kind to each other Which is usually not something here out of an army ranger but but but honestly it's about being really thoughtful and being deliberate in your life and And understanding you're GONNA make mistakes. I make mistakes every single day. Some of them are are huge. Some of them are little. But you know figuring out how to get past those not letting them control you and And move forward. And and if you'RE GONNA if you're GonNa if you can do that with yourself you can do that with people around you as well. Jc thanks for stopping by on your travels and stuff. I'm day we've got a chance to sit down and cover all the things that we talked about. Lots of good stuff so appreciate your stop by. Well thank you. Thank you for having me like you said. It's an absolute honor. I'm humbled to be to be on the show because I've I've just been so blown away by by your guests so it's it means a lot to just be included with that group thanks. Jc really appreciate it thank you.

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Phenology (FALL/SEASONS) with Libby Ellwood


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Phenology (FALL/SEASONS) with Libby Ellwood

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It's Elliot back with another episode of Allergies Follow Jeeze if you will because this topic I've talked about on a previous episode Minnesota last year the year before just mentioning that it exists but this year we we dove face first into a pile of crispy rustling leaves to bring you a one on one interview all about the changing of the seasons but before we drift into it a little business up top thank you to all the patrons on entry on dot com slash allergies for belonging to the Backstage Club in submitting your questions you to join for as little as twenty five cents an episode if you would like we could not make the show with you and thanks to everyone who rates and subscribes allergies it keeps us up there in the science charts with the big giants just low us and especially to those folks who take a few minutes to use their thumbs to write a review for for me to lurk on like a creep and I can just pluck afresh each week to prove it such as for example Erin Miranda said the other day I was telling my aunt about ticks at Karachi and and she said fifty percent of me is like wow you're such a cool person and fifty percent of me is like wow you are exceptionally weird and I think that was the best compliment I've ever received. Thanks Dad for teaching me. Everything I know Erin Miranda thank you for that. That was lovely. Also thank you to Terry's child for stealing your mother's phone to write a review. You appreciate it okay phonology. The first thing you need to know is that this isn't Fra -nology. There is no are there no are for -nology is a weird heard Reza's antiquated study of human skulls that is pure flimflam phonology however comes from the word phenomenon which means to show in Greek and it's a study of the timing of natural events or the influence of climate on psychical natural happenings so seasonal business and ecologist named Charles Moore and I use the term in eighteen forty nine. Thanks Chuck so what better time to get all up in phonology. Then as the summer turns to fall color start warming up the air cools Squirrel's hoard things the trees in the yard start becoming mustard ochre and Russet ruby people stop shaving all banner of body parts and hot girl summer turns into hot nerd fall. It's a real hashtag. Get into it so I was looking for a good phonology. I came across a recent special issue of applications in plant sciences and it was titled Emerging Frontiers in Phonology Research and this allergist was a co editor of the entire issue. I was like boy howdy. I bet she knows her been a logical Shipman so obviously she lives in like thatched masonry cottage in the New England what's woods but low no she's based in Los Angeles. Why why and can I ask her about it? I can and I did so titled Over One Sunny Hot September afternoon like last week to our office at the page museum the La Brea Tar pits and she met me in the parking lot. We were both in jeans but only one of us it was cool enough to be wearing a ramones t shirt and sneakers and a museum employee lanyard spoiler that person was not me and we went down to her office and we settled in for a chat covering all things cozy like leaves changing color and crisp autumn skies cider versus pumpkin spice Latte Ace Migratory Cory Byrd Gossip how climate affects flora and fauna how to make your backyard into a critter catcher and the technology making phonology cheesier and how you can get evolved now. This episode has so many twists and turns and she is so charming and funny and candid and Real L. and parts of this episode's prize the hell out of me and in those parts there's minimal to no editing and you get there so without nattering on they put the kettle on grabbed kerchief cozy up to ecologist seasons researching phonology just doctor. Maybe ellwood the are you an east coaster by birth. I I'm from Long Island New York heard of it yes and then did my Undergrad at the University of Rhode Island. I got a bachelor's there's of science in marine biology marine biology yes indeed so she then got a master's in teaching at the University of Southern Maine Amazing Fall Foliage and got her. PhD In biology in Boston Massachusetts he foliage also slaps now she had been studying marine biology from a molecular level and she says what drew her were the big questions how do all these systems fit together questions which led her to study ecosystems terrestrially. How did you become come a physiologist so when I was in Grad school and I was reaching out to my adviser before I before he was my adviser I was interested in how climate change was affecting plans and animals and kind of in a big picture type of way and I was thinking about migrations and just ways of examining how climate change is impacting critters phonology is the study of cyclic events in plant or animal's life cycle so is everything I'm from wind plants flower to win insects emerge or migratory birds arrive all of those kinds of events that happen usually every year it could be more than that but usually on on an annual basis and that is often associated with other variables like for example when when plants flower in the spring it's usually early because the temperature has reached a certain temperature and then it's warm enough for them to bloom and so then we could record that date and on and on and on over the years we can get a lot of information about that? Do you have to study a bit of astronomy as well to understand how the earth is going around the sun. Like how much does that a plea into the basis of your work not too much okay. It's a lot of other more earthbound variables that we look into so lots of climate variables calls temperature precipitation even things potentially like humidity or soil temperature and things like that that might impact organism here and now and quick aside so the Earth's axis is what scientists call Wonka fight just kidding. That's not a term. Would I mean is that the earth's axes is just tilted so as we cruise around the giant fireball in the sky one hemisphere get more direct sunlight hawker summer the other gets less of a sunlight blast last hence hot nerve fall now what about sweater weather well whether dot com conducted a poll over six thousand people and that Crisp uh-huh nippy grab a Cardigan weather was on average agreed upon to be right. It's sixty degrees sixty degrees grab a sweater of course that's the average for the United States. Now F you live in South Dakota you likely can get down to fifty one degrees. Please before you consider shoving Hoodie in your bag but Nevada you're looking at a dip to sixty five degrees and you're like oh it's chilly gotta pop on a sweater and so so do you think that in terms of phonology and in terms of seasonal changes especially like our fall and spring the ones that you pay most attention to or is there just as much action happening sitting in the dead of winter and the heat summer yeah so my work was mostly in the New England area where that is definitely the case that Spring and fall are the big seasons because because things are relatively quiet in the winter and so then springs all of a sudden a big a big event yeah it's win the flowers come out. It's when insects emerge it's when the birds return all of that kind of stuff and so that's true for a lot of temperate regions in the northern hemisphere and then up slightly on this in the southern hemisphere in the fall and then yeah during the summer a lot of things have settled down so once the migratory birds have arrived for example they're there to breed and so they do their thing all summer they're hanging out and then they will start their southern migration usually in the fall so that's another thing too that we have a look out for in the lookout for also that would be when the leaves start to change color and leaves fall and then you know it's pretty quiet for the winter so those cyclic events are most common rate like you said in the spring and fall but in other places like in the desert or in southern California those events could be happening at other times of the year and it could be more dependent on rain which might come in the winter or or or drought which might happen later in the summer things like this so there's like CACTI. They're like don't sleep on me. I'm over here. It rained. I'm blooming exactly noticed list right now now. Okay you're from the East Coast. You live in Los Angeles. You must get this question so much like how do you deal with with the lack of seasons that are as traumatic say on the eastern seaboard well. Thank you for raising it that way because I I feel like at least at first when I moved out here I really felt the lack of seasons and any Angelina would say oh no we have seasons Zia like just get a little while and you'll get it and still after four years of being here I am going to maintain that the seasons might exist but they are pretty subtle very subtle. Sometimes you kind of miss them like if we have a dry winter and it just doesn't mean that much just just feels like extended spring or something so yes that did take some getting non still getting used to it. Does that drive you crazy at all it. Does it absolutely because I I really like today. It's you know the middle of September and to me it could be July. It could be may like I don't really know what month it is. I often find myself still kind kind of confused because it's not I feel like it should be getting onto sweater. Sweater weather thought quite sweater weather. I know I haven't aspirational flannel with me. I'm not going to put that it on. I'm going to take up. I were boots today and I was like flip flops yeah. There's a heat advisory is so why are you doing your work here in l. a. instead of just like deep in the woods over a covered bridge in Vermont. Yeah while covered bridge in Vermont does sound Pretty Nice. It was the two body problem that brought me out here. So I was a post doc. At the time where it was a position I could do remotely and my husband got up position out here so truth be told I was a trailing spouse. Levy says that her job was flexible and after that position ended she started a new one at the La brea tar pits analyzing plant plant matter and mammal bones unmarked from the sticky asphalt vats outside to help understand Paleo food webs so she can work on seasons even. La doesn't really have intense seasonal shifts will say is it weird for you to talk about the weather in a way that is is not shallow because like you talking about the weather isn't some deep shit like your life like how would you approach people chitchatting about that. Oh I love it. I'm Google search all day long. You know when you're the first couple people in the conference call and you're waiting for six people to show up. Hey It's Tina how offer on the call right now and it's Awkward Small Talk Time. How's the weather by you unlike yeah? Let's talk about that. Let's go deep on that near like taking data's. What temperature did you say randy? Okay seventy eight got it got it got it. It's unusually warm or coffee and so what is your work entail. What kind of numbers are you crunching? Are you looking at plans looking weaves changing or you're looking at all of the above yes to all of that and it is a lot of data crunching and that's really the crux of it so the when I'm looking at addressing climate change for example which is really at the heart of a lot of this. It's understanding how things were and how things used to be compared to how they are now and so for that we need historic data sets so we have to be creative about how and where we get those and that's kind of what brought me to the museum world to is access to data data from one hundred two hundred or more years ago because that museums there are specimens. There are very specimens so press plants that are housed and maintained at museums and those are just a wealth of data for understanding what plants were like for example one hundred or two hundred years ago so that's one way a of getting the data and the numbers that I need another way to look into the archives of sometimes museums but also libraries and special collections and things like that and that's where you'll find field notes or journals and people recording their observations of what they saw when they saw it and all of that and one of the things that has been really fruitful for me and for the loud that I was a part of in Grad school was the was the journals from Henry David Thoreau and and his musings as you walked around Walden pond and he took notes of what flowers bloom what birds he was seeing and all of that so do you think more people should be journaling nature journaling rolling again yeah and then just like give it to a museum. Here is whatever January probably by that point goes. It's were so screwed but do you have any kind of personal affinity toward that kind of journaling and that kind of history did you grow up loving being natural history in a really casual way I guess more in the walk in the woods kind of way than the journaling kind of way and appreciation for taking notes like that and I think a general appreciation for observing the world around me or just enjoying time outside so getting back to collections and and archives you mentioning like a leaf that was say pressed. What kind of information are you getting from that? Are you just looking at it. Has It changed color over the years. Do you do stick it through a chromatic graph not a word yeah not so much with the chromatic that might be thing but it's not something. I usually what I'm looking thing at is some kind of evidence of a female face so is it flowering is it is there some kind of reproductive phase. That's represented on the plant so a flower of fruit seed something that is evident on the plan de even a twig for example could be fees at this plant dormant so this was during the winter hopefully probably northern hemisphere and then it was maybe later in the spring that plant would have flowered but so that even that kind of information is informative or if it doesn't have a reproductive structure like a flower or fruit and it's just leaves leaves that that too is you know as if it's fully leafed out that means that it was probably growing and representing the growing season being up and running plant was living and usually they'll tag like it was the thirteenth of March and yeah all that information is really critical to so it would have a collection date and the collector the species name all ended information will will use to understand when that funeral fees occurred and where and put our little dot on the map and then be able to crunch all those numbers. ps I didn't know what pheno phase was so I looked it up and according to the US state national phonology network it's quote and observable stage in the annual life cycle of a plant or animal that can be defined by start and end point so it was usually pretty short lived. It's things like who a new flower or the trees Yeller un-unsought. How do you just go for a walk? Like how do you Walker your parking lot without being like oh look at. It seems like it would be so there's data everywhere there are and that's fantastic and if you've ever been on a hike with botanist Joe's great you're never that one who's out of breath and huffing and puffing because we're stopping in every plant it and check it out just look at the birds it's great. Oh Wow what could this now okay real real stupid question. Let's talk about leaves changing color because we're in September. It's air quotes fall in Los Angeles quote leaves. Why did they change color? Has It happened yeah so it has to do with chemical changes in the leaf that are probably mostly impacted by the changing levels of light tree plant plant will be able to sense that the light levels are changing that it's getting lighter later darker earlier and that will be a sign for them to start making chlorophyll and as the chlorophyll amount concentration decreases in the leaf it'll be less green and therefore the other colors that are naturally in the leaf will become more visible bullimore vibrant and depending on what other chemicals are in the plant some trees or some plans might change to these beautiful reds or yellows oranges what the other trees or plants might just turn Brown leaves fall off but it all has to do with the environment signalling to the plant that the season is changing and cooler temperatures. I can also do that or even junk conditions or drier weather or if the plant is under stress that can also indicate. I'm just going to give up and drop all these leaves holder going to dip Trisha next year. We'll see you guys next hall so if you're looking at like an orange leafer beautiful yellow leaf life that color was there all along but the green was just kind of stealing it's thunder yeah exactly and I don't know if top my head what the orange flavor is read red line now in case you're on a to quiet car ride through the leafy woods and you need a topic of conversation Keratin Lloyd's and flavonoids bring the yellow Keratin shot noise responsible for the orange us to see also the stuff and carrots anthocyanins are the compounds producing those beautiful reds now in the spring and summer. There's a lot of light and warmth so there's tons of chlorophyll production but those flavonoids and Keratin Lloyd's and Anthocyanins are hanging out underneath green those are always there in in lower concentrations and then the chlorophyll is just so important for the tree to the plan to be producing lots of chlorophyll to be able the photo synthesize all through the growing season that that's what we see as the green leaves in what's the point of a tree having growing season and and a shedding season versus say others evergreens perennials like no. I'm I'm in it to win it all year round like who's doing what and why plants of all kinds of different that strategy is evolutionary strategies that have made them successful over eons so yeah it really depends on because even within the same ecosystem versus something you could have deciduous trees evergreen trees and just working for them. Even trees are evergreen will often lose some of their leaves in the winter and then grow new ones ones in the spring they just sort of appear to be fuller than a than a deciduous trae young depends just what advantages or disadvantages that particular species has found to be most successful muscle and the trees that shed their leaves their living off sugars in the root system in the in different parts of the Tree Yeah Yep and which is similar to how the Jewish trees he's doing it too. It's just yeah it's all trees are doing it and and what is available to them at that time and so often cooler areas where you'll have more deciduous trees because they are will drop their leaves and during the winter be more dormant because they're not as able to suck up the water the sugars and do what they need to do as trees so they do become more dormant in the cooler weather and that's a strategy that works for those plants and human beings who just sweater sweater weather couch Swedish or like who go oh so side note this word looks like Hagi but it's pronounced hookah and in the cabin -nology episode I made my friend Scandinavian gives modest simone yet which looks like geared pronounce pronounce it and it's cabins laziness rogue blankets. Is there ever a bad time for these things who is hell just like bundle up do you do you tend to get fall fever or you more excited about spring. equal excitement site meant okay. I A colleague of mine who is in Grad School sometime in the same lab would wake up just assed sweating in a cold sweat him each spring like oh no I missed the first lowering of this plan and you know she would be weeks off actually not doing that but there are phonology nightmares phonology terrors in the weeks and months leading up to those important seasons. Do you ever notice notice in fall. Do you ever notice that the first leaf you see drop like that happens to me some time some years. We're all see like a yellow leaf. Flannel hosts the first one yeah oh for sure and you know getting back to your springer fall question I think I'm more of a spring person and the that sort of romantic hopefulness and optimism that comes with it versus the fall which I appreciate for the cooler weather and and the beautiful colors it does also feel a little bit like. Can I say depressing sure Kellyanne rap I mean there's the seasonal affective disorder spills out what's sad. That's like the most obvious backer him ever say. PS One of my favorite words is backer NAM and it means an acronym that on purpose spells something cheeky or cheesy or obvious. I hate backer names themselves but I love that we have a word for backward. M.'s so seasonal affective disorder was coined in Nineteen eighty-four by psychologist Dr Norman Rosenthal and it affects women four times more than men and folks in the northern northern us more than the southern US according to research now eight twenty sixteen article in psychology research and behavior management found that winter depression affects between one and to ten percent of North Americans and it's related to latitude New Hampshire one study found that nine point seven percent of you have the S- ads but only one point four percent get it in Florida and symptoms in case. You're wondering include sleeping more wanting to do less wanted to eat carbs. I can't figure out about how ninety percent of the population is it afflicted with this all winter long but anyway seasonal affective disorder is serious in its type of depression and having it spelled spelled sad seems oddly both official and empathetic kind of like TSA agent putting their hand on your shoulder or a court bailiff giving you a hug but what about when's your birthday September okay okay. You've just flip my theory on its head because I have a theory that people's favourite season is always when their birthday is oh because has I love fall November birthday. My sister big Bana Summer July so my theory is garbage. I need more data data. They're GONNA do a twitter poll because of you. I did some very official scientific research via a twitter poll and found that only thirty two percent of people's favorite season was also the birthday season. I thought this number would be one hundred percent because growing up when that season came around your like who should birthday's coming up. I'm so disappointed that this number was less than a hundred percent however thirty two percent is seven points higher than the twenty five percent randomized probability also more. US babies are born in September than any of the other months researchers think that freezing cold winters and shorter days not a lot of outdoor activities like badminton kick the can have something to do with it so a lot of people born in September the start of fall subjectively the best time of year so I'm a genius. My theory is solid. Thank you for attending my phd defense. I am a doctor now so now the the seasons changing and seeing that in birds and plants that is partly daylight and partly temperature for most organisms resumes we find that it's temperature okay and or at least I should say for plans. It's definitely temperature for birds. It's probably a combination and and even other behavioral factors like birds consensus that they've been in a location for a particular amount of time and heck. It's time to leave and we got the check. Please go north north. It's been three months here in Costa Rica. Now I need to go back up to Maine or whatever it is they have to be aware of the fact that where they're going might be ready for for them now and so their their food source might be ready and they need to throat announcement stupid question uh-huh near the equator or the seasons less distinct. Yes okay and so does your work take you kind of to closer to the polls. Would you say yeah I at least that's what I'm most familiar with and far less work has been done in tropical and subtropical worlds as far as phonology he's concerned and that's kind of a wide open area for research and there has been some work done on plants especially that live in tropical subtropical areas but yeah those cues aren't quite as strong so if any of you guys out there have lived in in Arctic or even temperate areas you know that comes spring you kind of feel that energy to just live life again and to get out of your whole and do the things so uh-huh animals and plants feel that to an extent too so there's a real spring pop of phonology and so we have records for hundreds of years because because of that where hundreds of years ago people were excited by like who who I saw this first flower today I saw this first bird today after so long of not seeing being and being holed up in my living room for months so in closer to the equator there are certainly more subtle fina logical article events happening of course fall leaves may fall a week her three later than the previous year or spring may spring early so libby says the the more data you have over more time the better sense you get of the whole picture and just like firstborns have way more baby pictures neatly tucked into albums than their younger siblings. Some seasons have better records and so it's spring is probably better documented than fall say yeah and and and likewise it's easier to see when that first leaf shows up on a tree than it is to see when that firstly falls yeah that's true I came out there was a pile I can tell you what is a rundown of the function of each season. We did it. They go summers this feeding season and then kind of like a feast and famine through winter is does that do anything for plants like to reset their cycles or didn't anything for animals. Oh yeah right so birds will often have at least in the Northern Hemisphere. Their breeding season is in the summer so during the winter they're fattening up. They're getting ready. They come back north and they're establishing their territories building their nests and then making family. I'm so there is there those kinds of things as with certain animals and then for plants to plans to have a chilling requirement in the northern hemisphere so they'll need to actually be dormant for a certain amount of time to then recognize recognize that it's getting warmer again and to know that they could start producing flowers and leaves and that Spring is here but if they don't get that chilling requirement if we were to have a really warm winter for example and doesn't get cold enough for them to meet their chilling requirement then there's spring phonology can be thrown off. Okay what about seasonal movies any movies that involve the changing of seasons particularly false sense. It's late September that you really feel like get it right or really annoy you. It has happened end where I'm watching TV or movie and they'll claim to be in New York in October and then you see that Jerry flowering and you're like that's April so they've just bust in a bunch of like a silk leaves and put them on the ground. I always hate that when there are people in like a winter interstate neural bundled up but there's no breath coming out. You can't see their breath. You're all wearing earmuffs like come on. What are you doing to us? Put It in post then drives me crazy so fun. Fact the breath and titanic was added in post and to make it they had to get really cold room and align it with black velvet and have people talk as they filmed these puffs of warm breath and then they took those and superimposed them. A jacket rose loading on wreckage now keep in mind. This was in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven when cell phones were the size of your shoe and before you use a filter on them to make you look like tiger so come on movies you can do this so do you have any kind of celebrations of your own. When it comes to seasonal thing? Are you ever for hitting the like scarecrow I'll at Michael's in August whenever they start putting out like my own personal -nology yeah ah terrible with personal traditions and things like that so maybe I just get enough of it in my day job. They don't carry that into my personal life. It makes it I do feel like commerce screwing us up because we used to wait until we saw these cues in nature and now literally like at Walgreens. It's like back just cool season in July I went to cvs yesterday whole Pumpkin. I'll what do you think about the way that human beings take cues from their environment well. I think you right there just proposed a great Michael's phonology steady where you look at overtime win that Pumpkin establishes itself itself and how that has just crept earlier and earlier and it's probably due to climate change so you know you probably publish that Oh my God getting we are getting my masters uh-huh now that I have my PhD in twitter birthday polls I might as well get my masters in what the retail industry calls Christmas creep or holiday creep which sounds like a guide bar who thinks his Santa hat is charming but you're like please under no circumstances talked me so this early sales tactic. It's been in effect since Victorian Times in a slate article. They cite a Philadelphia Inquirer quoted saying gift buying has begun in earnest. It seems to get earlier every year here now. That article was written in nineteen o one so people have been complaining about this for plenty of time how has climate change affected craft stores and the plan at an phonology because I mean this is a hot topic. Obviously how what what is the data really showing so the data are really clear that when it is warmer or when other climate variables are of wack that the plants and animals are are likewise out of whack and the most responsive seemed to be the plants and usually in the northern hemisphere they will react with earlier phonology so when it's warmer they will respond with flowering earlier and that could be a couple of weeks earlier could be six weeks earlier and insects sex are slightly less so it appears there are less responsive to climate cues and birds even less so and that could partially because birds are migrating greetings from elsewhere where they're not getting the same climate cues and so if it's a really warm you're here might not be a really warm year in their wintering grounds so they could be getting different cues but yeah climate change is impacting all kinds of things and not only does that impact that one organism or even that one species sees but if plants flower earlier because it was a really warm year but then let's say the insects aren't responding quite as readily but they're emerging being like at the same time they always did while when they emerge the plans that they're used to munching on those nice fresh young leaves well those might be fully established and be rough tough difficult to digest leaves and so then the insects might suffer because of that and then the bird strope at the same time they always do and maybe there are fewer insects or the the whole thing could just be messed up so that's ecological mismatch and climate is a likely contributor things like that and can temperature differences is just a few degrees make that big an impact. How does that happen so that was pretty species specific? Yeah even a couple of degrees can make a big difference and what about fall if it staying warm or longer what's happening with those cues yes so looking plans again. Just because plants are probably the most well studied I did and the easiest to study and so it's possible that some of them might drop their leaves earlier than they should just because their leaves have lived their life so plants may have a shorter order growing season if it gets too warm or the growing season might continue longer wait is that good don't WanNa continue growing and why aren't they marketed pitted gummy vitamins that promise fuller leaves and longer stems the growing season and the length of the growing season than impacts all kinds of things like nutrient cycling ruling so when a tree is an active during the growing season. It's fucking water. It's looking up nutrients from the soil and impacting the whole ecosystem and in doing so and then if it drops its leaves. It's doing less of that so the more time that all those troops are active can really impact the whole ecosystem not just that one tree or not even just the insects texts that might be depending on it but everything around when the leaves fall off of trees who's munching on what's happening like are they important for ground cover or can they pretty much stay or go. They're really important for ground cover and by the time the leaf falls and is dead on the ground then you're entering the realm of of microorganisms and decomposed and things like that so there are some insects and invertebrates that might munch on them and then you quickly get into fungi and bacteria that are eating in decomposing him. Should you rake your lawn or not. I'd say not unless you are a fire hazard and I don't want to encourage anybody to create eight fire hazards around them but generally maintaining things in the most natural way possible is the way to do it so contrary to trump's advice to rake our our forests pick your the floors you know the floors of the forests very aboard Sir all we gotta do I say leave them and maybe take on some some other strategies to prevent fires but yeah leaving your leaves on the ground is good because the leaves are the trees have taken those nutrients and created those leaves and and then when they fall you're completing the cycle and the nutrients can return to the soil. Could you break your leaves in pile jump in them and then spread them out again. Heck yes recommend recommend doing so. Did you ever do that growing up in New England yeah a little bit I we used to do that where I grew up and now I think wow there's so many many mites on you but I still want to do it. I just want to do it in a full scuba suit because I'm afraid of like lingering ticks this stuff. Oh yeah ticks are problem but I think otherwise you probably boosting senior immune system and interacting with all those great microorganisms. I think it's a good thing you get a check your crevices. You're good to go there. I do love this time of year is my favorite favorite time of year for like dogs jumping into leave piles. Oh it's the best and also Halloween costumes what about Flimflam that you would love to debunk about seasons or climate change. I mean there's a lot there but what myths about seasons or autumn. Are you like yeah so I'd say climate change is a hugh question. Is I mean we're screwed right. Yeah climate change his here hits real and it's big bad news. Let's repeat that climate change as his real and it's big bad news what can we do but I think we also shouldn't forget about all the other big bad news out there like the Amazon rainforest is burning to the ground in addition to taking big climate change action seven at a government level on an international level of course all of those things but there are other conservation related actions that we can also take that helps give more species of fighting chance come climate change because climate change is happening already but if we don't plow over habitats than we're giving more species sees a chance to to have a go and actually survived through the changes that are coming. Is there anything that you do in your life knowing what you know to to help mitigate it on any level you can. I mean other than voting which we all know is the most important yeah that is totally the most important in addition. I killed all the grass in my lawn and have have planted a lot of native plans to create its habitat for some bugs and birds and created our own little place where things can be a little bit not even greener bind more natural and more inviting and because in l. a. l. as just such a huge huge city that takes takes up so much space than having little pockets where animals can be is really helpful at a really local hyper local backyard level. We can invite all of those things to live. Do you ever sit out in bug watching bird watching see what comes in hangs out yeah. What have you got well? I used to work from home which was amazing because I would just start with the wind all day with my binoculars it get really distracted but had a great time with my bird Guidon identifying everything and for a while had trail cam set up in a tiny tiny backyard in the middle of Los Angeles but was constantly thinly amazed and fascinated by the visitors that we would get it would be raccoons just having parties back there but just seeing them do their thing at two. Am on our little camera was fantastic. Are those expensive. They're not get one for one hundred bucks or less and you should do. It and I've been really tempted to take it with me. If I'm camping on vacation somewhere I could put it up in the woods and just kinda see what else is. There haven't quite gotten to that step yet but just next day four grizzlies how `bout it smelled something interesting. Quick aside. What about Hummingbird feeders? Is it bad to leave him up. Flimflam considered debunked so having humming bird feeders won't deter little friends from flying south and in more southern outhern regions keeping them up may actually help out migratory hummers who need a pit stop or who are overwintering in your region. You can also plant native flowers especially for those that have seeds which is a more natural way to have bird feeders in the art if you prefer to do that I have a hummingbird feeder right outside my window. Let me tell you it's like having an aquarium. Am Meat out of the whole world maybe the humming birds are like man this restaurant's great. It's got a terrarium with one big weird lady in it and sometimes she doesn't even bothered wearing pants. I can see a future me. That's a bird lady and I like her. How our borders seeing the change in seasons do you get a lot of data from from burgers? Thank God we do yeah. Burgers are just such meticulous notetaker yes and they love their lifeless and that enables us to go back a couple of hundred years really to see when birds were arriving. Will birds were around and so it's really a lot of the work of UH phonology is finding those old records so yeah birds words up oh. How did I not ask this next question yet? What in the daylight is wrong with me? What do you think about daylight savings time? Let's get over it no more no more by. Do we have to do that. Thank you that makes them feel so much. Better it usually paws right around my birthday a which is a bummer and it gets dark so early and people have like heart attacks from losing an hour of sleep. It's so bad for people okay heart attacks car accidents. No can I ask you questions from patrons. 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That's better help dot com slash allergies. You deserve it. Uh Okay back to your Artemis springy questions okay from the mouth of a seasonal Dr. Let's see sophie goes to know says what is your favorite. Most unusual seasonal phenomenon that people don't even know is linked to seasons Oh interesting. I think there's a lot of phonology that we're actually not even super aware of most of our cities have been on the terrestrial world but there's a whole lot of marine things happening out there that there are rain males that migrate there are fish that migrate and all these things that we're just not as in tune to as we are with those was that are literally in our backyard do terrestrial animals shed more in the fall or the spring. We get Harrier. I don't think we do although we ate for yourself but certainly mammals will get Harrier in the winter. They'll get thicker coats. I wonder if that explains my upper lip. A lot of people had this question and I'm going to say their names right now. Ready Ready Okay my price. Mercer Mercer Laws Hannah M childers and Jessica Starkman essentially said. Why do we love to crunch so much? Why do we love a satisfying aspire crunchy leaf? Do you stop on leaves. crunchy leaves yes I do. What do you think it is about us that likes that? I think it's the sound effect and and the fact that we can do that knowing that we're not really doing any damaged. Anything believes are dead. They're they're actually probably help them out a little bit just getting them. I'm that much closer to being decomposed and it's so satisfying. Isn't it just to to hear that crunch yeah. I think it's the sound effect mostly but I think it's also doing some good. I'm going to look up and see if like there's a Hashtag leaf crunch and see if like a pimple popper videos there's gotta be someone just leave stomping stomping sound nerds. Can I recommend the instagram at leaf crunching. This is a bunch of nature based as Amar videos of crunching leaves an ice cracking underfoot in the winter and snow squeaking. They only have one hundred hundred followers as a research s but I feel like y'all could surprise them and blow them up with demands for more leave crunchy sounds this question also was asked by so many people including Meghan Johnson Anna Thomson Bath Bunny Art Julie Bear Merrin Mosman Spin Nikki Finger Heather Dunsmore Kenley Wallace Live Schaefer Savannah Kate stumps and Carrie Leigh Hessman all asked why does fall smell also good. What is it about the smell that is so crisp and nostalgic and it just is something that you want to have why believe smell like that? It's the micro organisms. I'm pretty sure it's the same thing how rain smells like something even though it's just what are flying from the sky but it's kind one of enlivening microorganisms in the ground and all of this so fall is a similar kind of thing where you have. It's really do have some those writing leaves. You have yeah just that that seasonal shift where things are things are dying. Some things are coming to life because of it like the decompose out there and so I think that's a big part of it so I looked into this and who she was so right so a few things are at play and will leaves are dying they emit gases through pores on the surface purpose and those contain volatile organic compounds made up hydrogen and carbon that are similar to the oils found on the leaf surface now. If you're an antique book sniffer you're also there for the volatile organic compounds but on top of that or rather I guess festering quietly underneath it is a blanket ncua fungus now in particular it might be Gio tricalm candidate him a pressure that name means white hair of the earth but it rots plants dance and it's burps smell like fall now. There's also something called Jasmine. This is the metabolite byproduct of a different microscopic critter sure and it's the stuff that makes the smell of rain on the ground so perfect that smell by the by has a name. It's called Petra core over fifty years ago to chemists messed is a bell bear and R. J. Thomas put a name to that smell of raindrops hating the dry ground and petrocorp means stone and blood of the gods so it's the smell of the blood of the earth such a beautiful the ocean he'll get goosebumps under your sensible fall fleece but but that's not all that smells good I mean in addition to Pumpkin Spice Latte but I think we're talking more about the lease. Oh we got a lot of questions about that and in fact Casey right wants to know which camper you pumpkin Spicer Apple cider apple cider really any reason in particular well. I do love pumpkin spice the truest sense of the spices that you put in a Pumpkin Pie yeah what spices even are they okay cinnamon ginger nutmeg clove and also spice poet isn't always price the name of all those spices put together. No I'll spice is its own thing it comes from Jamaican Pimento tree and it's the dried unripe ripe fruit and is only called spice because it tastes like a blend of the other false spices also it's used in Cincinnati Chili which is very terrifying culinary Inari Primera of Chili and Spaghetti Cincinnati. I love you but this dish confounds me. It's like a Centaur or a half person half octopus and the octopus legs are spaghetti noodles and then the top half is a chilly brain what is happening. Please don't ask me I say this with love with awe with concern anyway anyway pumpkin spice cinnamon nutmeg cloves all spice and things like that less so in the syrupy gooby form of Pumpkin spice. What about like pumpkin spice candles and there's all manner? I'm sure that there's like an axe body spray. That's like autumnal man I again. I feel like in those kinds of ways apple's a little fresher and I am Apple Team Apple. Okay I myself because when I put up this Patriot question I think I added something about Pumpkin spice in the question and the culprit questions because literally that was asked by L. McCall Jessica Randolph Shannon Palmer Aki wrought Todd Peterson Krista Evan Pado Jenny Hoover Brennan McKenna and live Schaefer all asked about Pumpkin Spice Latte and and why you think that companies push pumpkin spice flavors so much when apple CIDER is equally perfect. Why is it do you think do you? It's just that they know that we're horny for seasons yes and that in the Stolichnaya and even though we're in southern California where it is one hundred degrees right now and they're pushing in Pumpkin spice Latte on us. I think it is that nostalgia for our romantic idea of fall in the north end leaves changing colors and the fireplace place crackling away in the corner and our sweaters on and all of that I think it's just really tapping into that. Primal feelings of of Seasons Brenton Dean wants to know as leave start to change color. Does it change how effective photosynthesis absolutely okay so the more the change color of the less green they are less effective. They are at photosynthesis using which is kind of their point right there like we're we're good. We've got some stored up. a bunch of People Kylie Sue Casey Right Right Ellen boss also wanted answers and confirmation that they don't have to rate their lawns. does really believe leaves remove nutrients from the trees it doesn't remove them from the trees directly but it does take from the sperm what would be in the soil which therefore then mix less makes less nutrients available for the trees trees leader on so indirectly yes so if it's not a fire hazard well even be leave. The leaves Keller so easy to remember so many people had questions about how trees change colors Evans Jude Jasmine Wells Melanie Baker Noah Gonzales Marianne Moss Meghan Daw Heather Heather D. Van Valkenburg Great Leeann Sister Christine Chairman McKenna Larson Robin Loudon and Alaska Tomorrow Man Karen Burnham Collini one Pager Martinez and shame Murphy all asked about this a lot of people curious about this in Evan Jud's words it was a first time question ask her why do the same species of trees in the same area turn different colors for instance. One Maple in my art turns red but the other turns yellow. Is it genetic nick. Why does it vary so much? My guess is that even the two maples in his backyard are different species they might law really kind of similar when they're green and and fully leafed out but my guess is that there are different species it is possible for there to be slight variation within a species for sure and and I'd be curious to see his flips and how they're changing colors and to know if that's happening every single year and and the other thing too is that some trees will change colors has more than once in a way so they'll I mean they'll start off green and then maybe they'll go to like an orange color and they'll turn redder or something like that so it could be like a gradient of change that happens so it could also be that one of those trees is further along than the other and then I guess the other one could catch up and then the both kind of be on the same color scheme just slightly different time line. I'm sorry I'm late yeah. Why would one change earlier? Would maybe have less water in the roots or yeah. It could be something like that. One is more stressed for for one reason or another may be getting less water. it could be that one is a little bit older and more established and and therefore has more larger root system and more access to water one could be in a slightly shadier area could be under the eve of the house it could be in the sheet of of a larger tree whereas one is getting more son in there for thinking that it's still a little bit more summary than the one who's in the shade of a structure or something and it gets further along into the fall so nope there are lots of even of those kind of like micro habitat reasons that could influence why one tree is reacting differently than another. Do you have to worry about that when you're looking through historical data like what if this person says that this tree flowered early but the treatise had a better spot in the yard that's totally a part of it and that's why having tons sounds of data will help shake out some of those patterns when we're out looking for. Let's say the earliest flower of a particular species will try to find the warmest places places. Maybe the sunniest places maybe the places that are a little bit more sheltered from winds and things like that and that would be our first data point actually seeking out that first one oh so the most optimal conditions yeah right and it's similar even people who are bird-watching. It's really that I first bird of the spring that you're interested understood in recording even though that mass of birds might not show up for another week or two that first one is often what we're after although statistically sometimes times that master the the full peak is what is most biologically important historically sometimes. It's that first one that people are actually recording now. Wow so it's like the winner of a marathon versus the median time it took to finish that race exactly that's so interesting caitlyn point extra ones. Are there any indoor plants that change colors with the seasons well. Most of our indoor plants are often tropical some tropical kind of plants that we just have indoors endure is they're not necessarily plants that are native to your area so and we do like them to remain green all the stru unless you're orchids in which case you just feel people like orchids could deal with cats. It's just like it doesn't like me sometimes and that's okay yeah. That's true a lot of returns that happened in October died like yeah. Dude crisper wants to know if there's a place that's autumn all year round. His allergies are better there. No No luck that I'm aware of I'm in some places like even southern California. There are places that are just seventy degrees all the time but it's more external spring. I'd say Than Eternal Autumn Yeah. I guess you could just get holidays act like they had an star Trek. Just you know be BOP BOP. Its fall a few people areas Castillo Kennedy Albertson Eva all asked about sad seasonal seasonal affective disorder. Do sad lamps really work or should I spend my money on wine to keep me cheerful. Areas Casella wants to know I'd say do both okay. I'm not totally up on this God literature but I do believe that we are that we do better better in light sometimes or at least certain of us do better in light and feel more energized when there's more light out so if that works for you then totally get a sad lamp and sips of wine line lawyer for more remedies for sad I went to the source Dr Norman Rosenthal Dot Com remember this is the guy who was instrumental in describing arriving in naming seasonal affective disorder and he's also afflicted with it himself so he knows his stuff now his website recommends getting outside on winter mornings into the sunlight or having indoor lightboxes to supplement light exercise like a nice morning walk or a dance class or regular trips to the Jim also helps sodas watching your diet and avoiding sugar and starch binges talk therapy helps winter vacations to a Sunnier spot if you can antidepressants presence if need be and if all else fails just move just pick up your life and move snowbirds in Florida are like hey we may be overrun with questionable tattoos feral mcdonagh's but we are living life down here year round. They don't call it the Sunshine State for nothing anyway speaking of which Erica asked about sky color. I've always thought that it clear autumn. The sky is a particular shade of blue and I can see getting closer to that shade in September. Is this real or is this just confirmation bias. I live in western Pennsylvania. If that's relevant. Does this guy change color. I believe that it could because there could be different levels of humidity in the air for example so in the spring. Let's see there's a lot of rain. Its more humid or cloudier or something like that and so the the sky itself might be made appear to be a different color because the atmosphere is more dense swift water molecules that kind of thing and then right in the fall. Maybe it's drier and it's just a different shade of blue. I totally believe that I'd also say then. It's possible that the juxtaposition of the sky against whatever else it is that you're looking at especially if it's some nice orange leaves or some bare branches is that that might appear different than blue sky against a tree of a full tree of green leaves so I think it could be related to all of those things yeah damn good answer any songs about September or October that you like. I keep thinking of wake me up when September ends or Pale September by Fiona Apple. I really should have some kind of phonology playlist going you really should send Emme link let us not forget about the Classic Standard Autumn Leaves Another classic the Dnr Valid November Rain which I wish we're called Autumn Patrick Yemen's. There's also sweater weather by the neighborhood. Ula tangos Autumn Sweater tangentially related is wizards undone the sweater song or Neil Young's harvest moon. I Guess Ed Sheeran has a song called autumn leaves. Why kothe John's got gotcha? Love Amber. Moore sees November respond a monster which I thought in Hyper self-awareness might be autobiographical but no Morrissey is maybe and of course the green day plea to sit the Pumpkin spice back to school ramp out out asking only for us to wake them up when September ends Billie Joe Armstrong Focus Green Day his birthday is in February make sense. It's Sidney B wants to know why do some areas have a false fall where the weather gets cozy and fall ask and then jumps back to summer for a few more days signed a bitter hoosier who just wants it to be autumn. Dang hang it. Does that tend to happen. Is that a new climate change phenomenon or is that always kind of happened. It's always kind of happened to some extent I think now we're a a little bit more attuned to it just because maybe that jump back to summer used to be a few degrees now. Maybe it's a few more degrees or maybe we're just extra sick of summer because it's been so hot and dry for so long that were extra ready for some cooler weather but those seasonal changes are notoriously bumpy. Even in the spring you'll have have some warm spring days and then all of a sudden drop below freezing for a couple of days and then warmed back up again so those seasonal changes are pretty are are pretty common and have been going on for a long time okay yeah that makes sense because I there's always those April snowstorms at a New Yorker like how dare you so yeah that makes sense. Madeline winter of all names says where I am in Victoria Australia. Indigenous communities recognized six distinct seasons in the exact same climate where my own culture recognizes only four it. Is this a common situation and other places. If you go back far enough in other cultures yeah they certainly have other ways of recognizing seasons which was often very few logically Lee based in a way because they would recognize a certain plant that has started to grocer animal that has arrived insects doing something and to their seasons will be based on on that and I know in Japan for example they've been studying the seasons for way longer than a lot of other places in the world and and making written notes about this listen to we have records from Japan that go back to the ninth century my God of Phonology and this is actual data that we've been using in scientific research to understand understand long-term phonology trends and do you ever have to go back and archives and study like Haiku that have something to do with the seasonal changes. I haven't studied Haiku coups exactly but the in the Japanese work for example yeah you would be looking at old court documents where they said something like the Cherry blossoms blossoms were in full bloom today and we had our citywide party under the the cherry trees and so things like that. Are you know real data especially for Cherry trees rather only flowering for a couple of days and so we yeah so we're looking at anything I feel like people have to dig up the old grandma's postcards being like well the Rhododendron flower today and you're like helpful information moving along a lot of people asked about migration he changed Slab Nick Commander Thompson Michelle Ye Tanna Gert Eric's odors and Ricky Sarmiento Madeline Rogers. I've been crowd Chelsea. Allison warned uh-huh Jake Harass Charlotte Future Gerd. I hope I said that right. McKenna Larsen and Jessie Cole all want to know why do some species of birds migrate and others don't need to what's happening there yeah similar to trees and what they're doing something different lots of bird species do different things and it's all what is evolution early successful for them and so when given some of the research I was doing we're looking at historic records from throws time for example and we found that in the last one hundred and fifty years or so species that used to migrate no longer migrate because it's warm enough and Massachusetts for them. Did you stick around all year so even those kind of things that we think are really ingrained in a species can change if conditions change in and that's a good sign Zionists sense that that species might be adaptable to something like climate change so it really depends on food resources is for most species what it comes down to to and why they might migrate that in addition to finding their own niche so not all species can exist in that perfectly habitable place place all year round and so some have been able to find their niche way up in the Arctic but they can only be in the Arctic for a couple of months in the summer so then they might have to fly down to you somewhere warmer further winters where they can have their own niche there and so it's finding their niche and getting the food resources that you need so to find your niche go where there's food and sex that people will let you have so just keep travelling around until you're full of onion rings and and Spinach dip and an adult person consensually. Let's get nude with them. That's where you belong. Someone does not WanNa make with you. Keep it moving. A lot of folks asked what about climate records and just a phrase asked who are some of gay old superheroes of recording seasonal data whose records are still useful to us today a few other people people asked about throw in this pain the following folks asked about year old journaling superheroes and also about helping scientists record fina logical data and they are. I will say them with my mouth Elaine Bar Ellen boss Elon Silva Alan Kaptanoglu Julia Bear Shelley's Quinlan Michelle me we and boo-boo rocks out and an also community science Ak Citizen Science and how important is that in what you do yeah so throws definitely hero although Leopold also made great observations of the plants and animals around him and so we've been able to use those records and Japanese recorders of electrical data are huge heroes and that's been going on for centuries so very cool and what was Oh citizens. In Yeah Community and citizen science how can people help yes so I came into the world of community science when doing my a a doctoral research and realized that I was unable to be all over New England recording or beef out of every tree out there and so we developed a project object to engage the public in helping us do that in recording leaf out on the trees that they had around them and so that was hugely helpful and really gave us a sense a picture of when and how leaves releasing out around the northeast so you too can do that and there are lots of projects out there the national oh phonology and work is a good one of the United States Project Bud burst. I think it's just called bud burst. Now is another one that is really accepting of people's observations nations so they're also lots of local wants to and has it changed at all that it's no community science as opposed to citizen so here where I work we've had an institutional change from citizen science the community science to be inclusive but nationally and internationally internationally it is still more widely recognized as citizens is yes so once called citizens CI- it's making a shift toward community science so if you're looking to get involved oft and help out search for both of those terms leanna sister wants to know what about the migration of butterflies I've always loved monarchs and have read about their migratory patterns and loss of wintering grounds in in Mexico to Other Butterfly Seasonally Migrate House crude are the monarchs by climate change and habitat loss. Yeah monarchs and lots of other butterflies are supremely screwed. Okay monarchs are one of the more charismatic species and so we have lots of great data on them and so we are really where aware of their migration and migratory patterns so that's kind of let us know that yeah they that's in certain years especially the numbers have been pretty low and and that's cause for alarm but making those observations of when you see butterflies in your backyard and all of that is is important for us to know and I citizen scientists are communities scientists. We encourage people to do those things and to make contributions of those data so that we can understand more about where those butterflies are and what they're doing because we could only be in so many places at one time and just like you and me and the person in your office who ate your Leftover Pad Thai without asking butterflies it's gotta eat and native plants as well yeah definitely like milkweed putting a species of milkweed that's local to your area can really help the monarchs and give them a place to Munch Amelie milkweed and to do what they need to do. The each butterfly species has different host plants so finding out what butterfly species. ABC's our local to you and and planning those plants can be a real help not to mention is a butterfly party in your backyard chilly mayor wants to you know if you can elaborate on the technology that's being used in phonology field studies like drones tagging data sets simulations. How is it changing with technology technology yeah hugely and so we've gone from we meaning physiologist of the past have gone from pen and paper kind of just making observations observations of what we see to now being able to automate that more with things like pheno cams? Maybe you have a tower with a camera on it. That's pointed out over the forest forest and you could watch that forest green up over the spring into the summer and then watch leaves change color and scenarios and die off in in the fall and that would be at a landscape scale which is so much different than looking at it plant by plant and gives us a whole different kind of data to work at the plant by plant is also really important and really interesting we could also get phonology data from satellite images where if you have an aerial image of a whole area you can or computer program will count essentially how many green pixels and leaf color pixels are in that image and how that image has changed over. We're time from week to week or even today and we could watch that area green up essentially someone else counting the pixels. Yes so helpful another thing too. That's really at the forefront of phonology is machine learning and our ability to look at images either photographs or Barium specimens and to programmatic -ly quantify a particular gene logical state that is in that image without a human even having to look at it so he could feed thousands of Barium specimens into this image processing system and it could tell us which of those specimens are in flower or fruit and that saves us as humans from having to look at all of those specimens and don't get me wrong. It's time to look at herbarium to go around fantasy them in person but it does limit what you're able to do. You can't do things at a national or global scale but you can if it's been automated in that way this next the topic was requested by Listener Katie who asked is there any way to preserve the color in leaves once they fall. I'm an artist haven't found a good way online to preserve them where they don't fade relatively quickly. Do you have a leaf collection random. We have like all tons of books with leaves to shoved into that. What what is the best way to preserve really lease actually really easy and plants are pretty easy to just like anybody could slip it in between sheets of a newspaper pages of a newspaper I would recommend laying them out flat and as thin as possible so if you take a whole branch of something you want it to not be more than just a leaf thick ideally ideally or a couple of Dick if you have to and displaying there's a flower on it for example to display all the pedal spread out instead of just smushed because however it smashes down the first time that's how it's going to be forever and then you could put it under some books in a dry ish place? If you have a heater or something you know that's in your house. Just put it near there for AH say a week or two and then they have little prevalent. Is there a good way to preserve color on it or is it like color. GonNa fade colors going to fade almost no matter what certain species assist do preserve better than others but there's more likely than not going to be some feeding. I feel like if you're doing that to help. The future generations ends you should just have a pan tone wheel and try to match what color it wasn't. It was fresh. It's really do you guys have have to use the pan tone wheel. I wish pan tone by the way is so oh named because its inventor Lord Herbert who worked at a printing company wanted to standardize colors and capture them all under one system so pan means all intone means color Panton Hall colors. I'm guessing other phonology also into it because any two thousand sixteen article titled It was a Great Green Year identification location of a Chlorophyll d finalize that functions in chlorophyll turnover published in the plant Cell Journal opens with the sentence green may have been the pan tone color of the year here for two thousand thirteen but two thousand sixteen was a great year for articles on chlorophyll research at the plant cell and beyond but instead of staring at color chips at your desk. You could get outside and see them yourself. A few people had this question Robin Cohen Kayla Kelly L. McCall Francino Martinez Christina Weaver the Andrew Bayne Kyla Kelly all kind of asked about geography and about New England where is the most beautiful place to enjoy full full page. Yeah yeah go into the mountains where the air is crisp. You can get some hot fighter museum cider doughnuts Texans up of enjoy enjoy the foliage and I'd say don't overlook some of the higher altitude places for some nice phonology and if you live in a place that you you know might have some places that are above treeline to have some Nice Alpine plants and flowers that are changing colors in potentially more subtle ways is but get on your knees and check them out does Vermont rule when it comes to fall colors switching beat New England okay really Yeah Vermont New Hampshire Maine yeah all up in there. What's the best time of year to go October usually okay and there are some websites that will kind of like estimate tomat- and predict the best time for a peak fall foliage? which is you know essentially a phonology calculator and so you can plan your trips around on that well so leaf peepers look for fall foliage maps that let you know when the peak viewing times are you can just bust out the eggs bring a sweater? It gets cooler than like seventy last questions I always ask. What's the shittiest thing about phonology? What's the worst thing about your job? What's annoying yeah the shittiest? He's thing about phonology. I guess there are a couple but and I'm sure everybody says this but it's the desk work yeah we all got into this to be outside and Dan just in the nature and then here. We are doing emails all day. I don't think either of us were expecting this next part to go the way that it did so I'm just GonNa leave it all in an uncut. It's one of the most candidate and powerful messages I have ever heard from a scientist that and the fact that you know there's a lot lot of bad news that comes with studying the natural world that just takes it's toll so yeah. How do you get yourself out of that like yeah going back yard? Oh man it's tough. It's so tough off. I mean there's a lot of bad news. I'm sorry I'm sorry I get it. I mean I literally the world is burning. I mean a straight up. Yeah I mean and there doesn't feel like a lot we we can do one on one. Sometimes you know right yeah so yes. I knew good news out there yeah. Is there anything that you feel like you can have in your control at all or does it feel hard because it feels out of your control yet. It does feel out of control. I mean this is like from the mouth of someone who is knee-deep data about dessert ever feel like away to have your work legitimized by people who don't want to believe it. Is that ever really hard to be like I've I've been working on this for like a decade like it's real yeah and there's you know there's it's such a a weighted issue on occasion. Asian especially in this country to feel like you know is climate change real like the fact that we're still having that conversation yeah makes it feel like there is like the situation is not only not getting better but we haven't even agreed that there's a situation and that we should be addressing or should be paying attention to and like let alone doing the things that need to be done to to make it better her industrials like it's a long uphill climb before we get to the battleground right and yeah and not only are we not not addressing climate change but we are as a country anyway kind of rolling back the the systems that we have in place the checks and balances that we have in place to keep natural places preserved for the future and to help keep the Water Clinton the Rolling Hall of those back so not only are you know moving forward but in some cases where we're kind of moving backwards yeah every single day in the news you're like. Are you kidding me. You kidding kidding me yeah yeah. I can't listen to. NPR on my community more without coming in with lake red is like inability to function. I think it's really important Norton people know that how real this is real and pressing yeah yeah and also the the real people who are working on it see things so much sooner than the general public does and to to be one of the people at the forefront collecting their data seeing how it's changing seeing how dire it is and the warnings aren't even being heard and I think people it's all of that right and and and I think a lot of people don't don't mean the same thing that it means to somebody who's spending their days with it and and I get that I don't expect everybody to be deepen. The scientific literature to understand was happening with climate change and I certainly don't know if this happening with climate change or or so many of the environmental environmental issues that are going on right now but I think the fact that there's not even trust for scientists and the people that are doing this that doesn't help us any if if there were at least an acknowledgement that hey I don't understand it and you're doing it on you to understand all the data but I trust us. What you're seeing an okay? Let's take action because of what you are contributing to this conversation valuable and so let's do something about that. I think that would be an important step forward to to recognize that yeah that the data means something and that there are people that are thinking a what about truth versus money at this point so much yeah yeah that's what they say. The you know we could study climate change all we want but really we have a to kind of get through the the capitalist greed to really work on it to really address the problem all the data in the world about uh every critter on the planet won't help us you know getting through the greed differ favorite thing about your job yeah getting outside but seeing new places meeting new plants and animals keeps me going. Is there a favorite moment you've had outside. Let's see make you cry again It's a big beautiful world out there yeah Fornell I I've been able to travel to Kenya and Costa Rica and South America and and seen like National Geographic scenery that keeps gone yeah. Oh no no. Oh no you're fine. You're fine so just kind of remembering how beautiful the world is yeah. How many critters are in it right now there? There might be some in your backyard just munching on a C. Check them out in terms of what that you would leave at the kind of like legacy that kind of work that you WANNA do. Is there a big picture goal for you that you will that kind of keeps you going every day. When we think about taking action towards ameliorating climate change that yeah I guess I hope my work could be applied to to positive action and a lot of it is kind of esoteric in that sense where it's it's not like do? XYZ And it's all going to be fixed in kind of like bird by bird and plant by plant which only speaks to so much of the problem but just being that drop in the bucket with all the other scientific literature out there that is pointing in the same direction. I think that's that's helpful to know how that's super important. I think anyone who's listening who wants to help now knowing that there's there's community science in citizen science programs out there where just their love of being in nature and making observations is helping people like a Q. That can't be fifty places at once like that's such a powerful thing to be able to be a part of you know that's huge yeah. I recommend people doing Taylor community science. They possibly can it contributes data which we use all the time for the work that we do and also gives people a deeper appreciation for the natural world and so when they come for them to vote they're more informed and were curious and interested in those sides of the issues that are really often overlooked. We kind of make that decision with her wallet. Maybe like don't my taxes. Go up a dollar to like put into public transportation system or things like that and understanding more parts parts of the pieces of the puzzle from the natural world. I think will can influence how people thank you so much for doing this. It's such it's so many warm fuzzies in so many like cold chill bumps at the same time thank you. I could talk about this stuff all all season long. All thank you for doing what you're doing. 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EP77  Mental Skills for Pitching with Dave Fischer

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EP77 Mental Skills for Pitching with Dave Fischer

"Hi Welcome back. This is episode. Think seventy-seven of deer baseball. God's we've got a great guest. Dave fishers joining us. Davis one of the pitching coaches from the University of Rhode Island the Rhody Rams and he and I met earlier. You Go Rhody and hey wait your turn introduce you all right jerk. And Dave was a eighteenth round draft pick at a Yukon. Two thousand twelve. He and I met was it last summer the previous summer. I don't know we met recently Great Baseball Mind. We talked about the mental game and Really Davis kind of one of those people who say connector. I'm kind of one of those people who is real scary and unapproachable. But Dave is We met at Sabre Seminar. And he's one of those guys who can just seem to just work a room and become friends with everyone pretty easy so I appreciate that about him equality. I certainly do not possess but you pitched in the washing national system from two thousand twelve to fourteen and then the twins system and then you're in the Atlantic League a little bit. I don't know if we overlapped at all. I think we did for a brief minute and then with the Rockland boulders in the Canam League so pretty long Successful baseball career again now. Pitching coach and You've also spent some time with Cape Cod So if you're not familiar with familiar with the Cape Cod Baseball League. That's the the premier level of college summer baseball. And so you you've been around there and done everything as well. And lastly geography major so geography degree from Yukon. I have to give you a little grief about that well. Let's all the weather I dave. How's the weather in in Rhode Island? It's great we had a we Just got back from first road trip and Texas. We had a little snow this weekend when we got back. So a couple. I think we have on H. Snow and it's wet and cold right on the coast here in Rhode Island but it's not too shabby that's good. That's good. That's good so I'm used to it. You know yeah so I have to give you grief. I feel like we're probably the two LAMEST. Were either the most interesting or the two lamest baseball players a philosophy major and a geography major. But so are you like a certified cartographer like what just expand. I did take our talk if he wanted to. In school so I don't know if I'm certifying. I loved I loved the maps growing up and I kind of actually wind. The causes a physics major and then failed CALC to an inside it all right. I WANNA play baseball. I kinda wanted to Make sure I'm eligible and not the being dumb in the classroom. So I talked to my academic adviser and we went with Geography because I I love mass. There's actually a good amount of government jobs you can do with it and I really enjoyed. It actually had A. I had a blast with a few other my teammates that came on after me that were younger than me. That ended up doing it too. So yeah it is. It's definitely an interesting one but I loved it. I thought it was so. I'm sure you've got the same question that I did. Which is would you do with that? So what what is the answer to that question for a geography major? There is no answer philosophy. There's just like be a philosophy teacher. But what's the job? I have my my stock answer at this point for that one but it's a lot of the times it's like kind of consulting work whether that's like engineering firms or for government contractors things like that. It'd be like someone's that look. We're GONNA put a hospital in a city. They're looking for the best place to put the hospital based on demographics or where people are in the city. Sort of thing How much you can reach it. How easily reach stuff like that Kind of figuring out those sort of things kind of commonsense problems that people don't really think about and I thought it was. I thought it was interesting. So there's a lot of people in my program did that kids actually work in the CIA for my program which is Kinda wild they do. Some of those thrown mapping where they fly the drones and stuff. Oh yeah there's there's some interesting interesting careers can with it. But I. I didn't end up pursuing it's It was It was fun why didn't in College. Yeah I just picture like Have you seen the movie? Moonlight Kingdom so Anderson Movie. I that's what I picked is mature. Unit Canoe with have does go around the country. Just doing the open. I don't know not far off. We did have those those Outings where we went out and did stuff like that but anyways I don't think people want to hear about the geography part of your the probably the only baseball player. They'll ever hear from the only pitching coach. They'll ever hear from who was a geography major. So this is like a world as to the piggyback on this. Actually I just remember but I did my my senior project. I picked out three hundred Major League Baseball players pitchers I mapped out. Or One hundred fifty hundred fifty position players mapped out of their hometowns. And I wanted to see if there's a correlation to where they came from in the United States based on if they were they got they got the major leagues or not and what it came down to was originally that definitely has a factor but pitchers was Kinda all across the board so the position players came from the traditional powerhouse states like Texas Florida California. And then the bitches were. Kinda much more All over the board. So that's what I did for my senior project which I thought was pretty cool. Yeah that's interesting. I remember seeing a similar map. I think maybe Tommy John Surgeries like southern pitchers versus northern pitchers. And there are. I'm pretty sure there are more southern pitchers because you know year round throwing usage but yeah no it's interesting and that makes sense because position players. How many ground balls can you take your rest? That's what it comes down to. Yeah for sure. So I've been with Rhody for the second year right my second year. Second second season Loving it so far. I can't complain. I we have an awesome staff working along obviously Kevin Vance the three time participant of US legends of the game so I work directly with them with the pictures and then Coach Dorado Brought me in and then coach. O'brien are their system They're awesome. I can ask better people to work with so take me through your role a little bit. I know your Your as you an- and coach Vance kind of split pitching coach duties and it's a passion of yours with the mental side of the game. So no you take more of that stuff but kind of take me through your your split here before we got a double back in and go through your playing create a little bit for sure so it's really nice. It's nice to have Two people just to kind of share some responsibilities and even just to bounce ideas off each other. 'cause I don't know about you but I'd never played my team where we had more than one pitching guy and even at the professional level or college. They'll be you might have head coach. Who was catcher? Let's say it's kind of the general head coach or managerial kind of position And then there's maybe two hitting coaches to Assistant coaches and infield coach and outfield coach. Roberts were hit and then you have a pitching coach so The three guys working with all position guys and then one guy managing pitchers and sometimes that can be a lot so the way we kind of go about it is Kevin does all the kind of Working like with the pitchers On the mound and doing all the mechanical adjustments and talking to stuff that way. We're not kind of crossing the communication Getting crossed up with that. So I'll do a lot of the The prep work. And obviously we'll go over the guys before he goes and talks to him and Kinda make sure around the saint peyser everything and then Generally he'll he'll do stuff with them on the mound and then talking afterwards about how they're feeling and then I do a lot in terms of the the preparation and Creating their routines and how to go about Getting self prepared to pitch Whether that's through our program and our our mobility stuff and all that The mental side of this is all me kind of fill out a curriculum forum and we do know coach. Vance talk about barn talks around here but that's that was more of the physical side of stuff but I do We Call Mental Mondays. Come in and actually do is optional. But we do meditation the more on Mondays. I'm there most Mondays in the fall. And then the winner gets tough in the spring I do a lot of stuff with that. I got a ED space account that we use that a just my own personal account but they have the password to so if if they get into it and they like doing that stuff We give them the resources you it and that's kind of always put it up and it works really well and I. I couldn't imagine doing about another way. Just because it's it's a lot of work to to have one person handle. Yeah for sure. I know typically when things fall by the wayside. It's probably the mental suffering because it's one of those things that I think for a lot of players. They don't think they need it until you know it's too late or because till their already broken and they think I just need to get bigger and stronger and throw harder and it's more physical stuff but I think a lot of the outsiders don't realize that the mental part is terrifyingly big So what are what are some of the big core principles that you try to kids and help them internalize so a lot of times. It's just a recognizing when they're in trouble their emotions are feeling on the mound whether that's anxious or nervous or Scared even obviously those are all the negative ones but even on the positive side like getting there to jacked up their heart's racing a million miles an hour kind of separating themselves and recognize the guy who I need to slow down and stop the mound. Take a breath reset and I do a lot of breakfast with the guys. If you've asked any of the pitches are staff. What coach fish says. It's hey take breath. Mansell down Pity breath get back to work. It's GONNA help your mind because obviously the the brain lows oxygen. It's GonNa help you think clear I go down this whole road but it's If you you you think clear you're GonNa make better decisions on the mound. You make better decisions. On the mound make better pitches when you make better pitches get More outgoing routes team's GonNa win more. When you get when you win more scouser to come to see you because you're winning games or your teams went in when scouts him to see A. You're GonNa get an opportunity to play the next level and I kind of go down this path we get to the world series sort of thing and it's it's a bit fun and I know it's a bit ridiculous but it does all kinds of start with the breathing and I think it's super important. So it's something. I thought that as a player I was terrible at it and I think that's why I understand how important it is because when I was in college when I was in high school when I was my first valley five years of Pro Bowl I was prepared to handle a lot of situations and I didn't know how to handle it and It took a long time of kind of me searching and some self discovery. Kinda get the point. Oh well like a man. Imagine if you knew back then where you'd be in the. I just think I understand the importance of them to know it now versus a no eight when I learned at twenty six or whatever whatever age that Wyler yeah so i WanNa talk about that a bunch because the things you learn and what that means to not handle it like it is a pretty vague thing and I think a lot of realize what runs through head on the mound and how you can actually just completely. I mean that. The story about a bases-loaded jam I came in that Vance had created. I came in with no outs and the bases loaded to try to get him out of it and lay that was like one of the most epic meltdown of my career in the last games of the second last game of my career and so I can definitely elaborate on that later but I want to hear your perspective so but Philipson little bit before that. So what kind of player were you in high school had a Yukon? And then how did you end up getting selected in the in the draft so I'm from upstate New York I'm from a small town upstate New York Good sports sound. Everyone I town played sports. I played three sports growing up volleyball basketball baseball and I wasn't very good. I just love baseball. It was actually probably my. If I'm being honest. Probably my third best sport. But it's a sport I I like the most And I gotTa jump in did you. Because there's not much male volleyball in in my neck of the woods. Did Bible. Bother your shoulder. How did you balances tell you? That's a tough sport to play. I've seen with all the girls. That play softball. Yeah It didn't I. I did have shoulder surgery but I don't think it was a direct correlation from I've gone back and forth on that I definitely I think it helped my arm. Now that I think about it more because it it it definitely teaches your arm to move more independent of your body. 'cause you're in the air when you're swinging your arms volleyball so it's a it's aggressive? It's fast it's definitely taught me. How quick arm and I think it definitely helped me in terms of My philosophy just because until my arm to move fast Without using my body so I think it might have heard me in terms of I didn't learn how to use my body as well and I just trusted my arm But I don't think just in terms of when I ended up needing shoulder surgery down the road but I don't think it was a direct result of just like the uses of the volleyball stuff but I did it. I did it year round too. I remember we went to junior nationals revival in Minnesota and I got off the plane on the way back from that and I went to the went to the mound and I just pitched that day and I was. I was fine. It didn't really didn't bother me too much. And you're and for people who don't know your what six six. Yeah six just probably maybe just shy but which is on. I'm probably six six. So but yes I I actually ended up getting drafted out of high school by the angels in the Forty Fourth Round Got Drafted three times. Actually so that and chose to go to school went to uconn surgery by them out of glass Had great teammates had a ton of success there Drafted again my junior year. buying the Cape. As you as you said I. I kinda got trashed my junior year. didn't work out that year came back and my senior year was the first year they changed it to forty rounds so I thought okay I'll come back for my senior year and see if I can make a little money going. In the top ten rounds Ended UP GOING. Eighteen drought at work. That finest all the opportunities in the world so there's great got drafted by the nationals with them for for parts of three parts of four years. I think part of three years Had all the all the chances to succeed there They love their great I just couldn't put together in terms of throwing balls and strikes and that's that's basically you get released so I drafted three times. I got released three times so I knew the game at both ways so ended up next year. I pitched in the Atlantic League got released from their took. The sub that summer came back the next year pitched in the Canam League and Twenty Sixteen And actually that's kind of one the mental stuff. Those those two years when I got released for the first time the nationals and then again in bridge for the basically like within a year of each other just being like wow like What's going on like this is the only thing I've ever wanted to do. And now all of a sudden it's ended so I wasn't throwing strikes. I got a little yippy. I kinda and you know in independent off. You can't strikes that's it so I think we played somerset. I just fell apart. And then that was it sort of thing but so when was your time with twins that was after the nationals No that was actually. I got picked up by the twins after pitching the Canam league with Rockland so I pitched with them. Twenty Sixteen That was awesome. Actually they had a ton of really good video so I cut a video for myself and just put it out on instagram and facebook and the aircraft see-sawed actually and I think mentioned my name to I worked out at his silly for a long time. And he he mentioned it to one of his friends and then I to be playing abroad in Australia at the time and one of the twins. Pitching coaches is over there and I don't know if that was Kinda another. Just a connector to Couple good words and I I just finished played with them in two thousand seventeen and Get released in August from them and then finish rock on that next year and then I met you at Sabre Seminar. So that's that's the full gamut there but the backstory. Yeah so take me through. Demento hole was because I don't think a lot of people appreciate it and I don't think a lot of players talk about it because it's hard for all of us to put ourselves out there and be like yeah like I'm this big tough cool guy but when I get out there I get nervous and then I like falls apart like I've been through it You've been through it so take me describe your version of Of all that so that was basically it for me it was. I was putting on a facade for most of the time and I went into college and I was confident. I had a lot of confidence in myself. But I got there and I didn't have a good baseball IQ. I just hadn't played baseball. And I got there. I realized that so instead of trying to kind of I mean I was learning altered college but I just. I needed to try and stay. I felt like Macho and feel like I. I was the player. But I thought it wasn't my head even though I I wasn't thinking that at the time and that made it really hard for me. I I did. I did find college and then I think My gier I actually kind of the draft was funny my junior. I got drafted in the sixteenth round by the angels again a high school but there was like a paperwork issue like There's like you to sign a draft paper work after you get draft for the first time so you're basically not in cahoots if the same team wants draft. You're getting your junior year. I guess something I lost my hand it in or something happened so I got drafted by them. They gave me a call and then twenty minutes later. They called me and said Hey. We can't draft you. Sorta thing which saw and so that. Kinda got me and then I just. The part of it was like all right. I just gotTa keep being the top. It's GonNa be alright and push through. That was kind of the first domino to followers like man. Like that's just some bad luck and and It affected me for a long time and it made a really hard and when I was finally moved on Kinda I kept it as a chip on my shoulder for too long and I couldn't I couldn't control the took. It took a long time for me to get over that but That's what it came down. Does I wasn't able to control a lot of the things that I was getting upset about and I didn't really Yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't do it well so I I tried to teach myself and I did that stupidly. I did it with Trying to be Macho and pushed myself through situations. When I wasn't wasn't having success in those situations I'm not doing a great job explaining it but So is that that you know when you get into trouble in the mount or was it more off the field stuff like affecting your or affecting your overall outlook on whether you succeed or yeah. The C. Part was definitely part of it but also field stuff was the preparation I tried to do a good job with that but it was just a it was more of. I heard a couple of times so I was trying to figure out like all right. I know I know I can do these things. But why might not having the same amount of success in these other people and I figured it out now. It was just a lot of this stuff was I wasn't doing right things for my body to keep myself prepared My mechanics world and I look back on a now like man. I had no these things. You can't get upset at yourself for not knowing things at the time. Yeah and Just just pushing through that so I ended up when I was at the nationals. I had some elbow issues and ended up getting released and went to Do Some Rehab for that and base wasn't throwing strikes. I I kind of had a it was basically the sort of thing that's why released in bridgeport. I actually charted it out one day a I was in summer. I hit four guys in two innings and Walked another three or something like that was thrown behind guys and it was just. I had the hips and I I needed to take some time off and kind of collect myself and There was hard to deal with. Especially when your whole identity is wrapped up in being a baseball player. And when someone tells you can't do that anymore it's it's tough though. It just took a long time for me to do that and I had to learn the hard way by myself because of that much his personality that I was trying to do. I was too stubborn. Time to ask for help or Put myself out there to to really see if someone can help me sort of thing or or look into what I could do to work on that mental side of it because I just was too prideful. Yeah I don't I don't need the help I don't need I think that's pretty common with baseball players. Yes so what? Is it like to be on the mound not knowing where the ball goes? I mean that's just like a big snowball effect isn't it? I mean take. The hips are crazy and people. I don't think they can. They can't relate to it but it's terrifying thing. So what what? What are the Yips fuel life for you? It was You know what's going on I wasn't. I wasn't oblivious to it. I wasn't ignorant to it and I think that's part of the part of the issue. Obviously but I I knew it was happening. I was like man and you just have no confidence. You just like all right. I don't really know what I'm doing. You're kind of You just like an Hayes. You're just out there by yourself. And they're on the mound. You're like all right. I gotTA throw it. But I I don't know where it's going and Is it was top so I took some time off and I worked job And thought I was done plan. Basically and then got the. It's again and Mike one of our mutual friends. Mike reinold actually rehab him and he helped me kind of through that period of my life to just Kinda get myself back on track and Get my arm healthy and teach me about how to take care of myself and how to use my body and fix up some mechanical issues and and and things like that and it helped a lot and it didn't fix it at all or didn't fix. Excuse me not at all. But it didn't fix it totally. It's still something I had to do. The most of my career and As you you can if you want to go look at my numbers. I walked a guy in any for most of my career but I managed to play six years so I guess there's something in that but Yeah it was really tough and not knowing how to deal with. That was something that I struggled with so I thought when I'm going into coaching. I think that's really important to teach those guys those things so. That's what I've been trying to do that. You're so if you could go back and it's it's funny that to you brought up like two different things this week from my that. I've covered in my blog. So then this this past week. I took two videos myself on the couch in my house and I spliced them together and it was kind of annoying and complex get it like sync up even though so I had me like today's sitting on the left of the couch lecturing my old self about two main things that you've mentioned number one which is like getting yourself out there. An advocate for yourself. I mean you did that video that helped you get signed by the twins for whatever reason that's like my number one regret about my anchors for whatever reason. I never wanted to do that. I never sent emails to scouts in the winter. I fell scared or if I was just like this isn't I don't know I just didn't make myself a bill ward. I felt nervous about it. And who knows what would happen if I had done that. and then the other thing was well. I actually forgot at this moment. But I'll I'll I'll catch later but What would I it was. It was basically just me if you could go back and tell your prior self what you know. Now what would you tell them to to rectify the hips or to to eliminate that? That's funny because like I've learned so much even just in these two years as a as a pitching coach Just mechanically and I played three sports. I didn't really focus on baseball. Too Much In terms of I just did it when I it was the season As as the most kids who play three sports and I think I would've told myself not be stubborn to listen and Try and try and think about what I was actually doing on the mound versus just going out there and throwing and have a plan to Kinda get organized before it would throw so And I used to get upset at myself for that too but like I said it you can't you can't get upset yourself for things you didn't know at the time but if if you're if you're like it's the seventh inning just hit two batters in the head and now you're three now. What what would you tell kid who is? If you're walking onto the amount to meet yourself what would you So that's the breathing is a big part of me because a lot of it was I would get caught up in the moment and I would just be like stunned and I would kind of shutdown physiologically I would. I would freeze up. I get tense and a lot of that. I think was just because I was so nervous that I wasn't breathing and I think just the the taking a deep breath it's GonNa like. I said it helps your mind but it also helps your body gets the the blood. Your muscles relax you. It's GONNA pick up. Picks some of those Mechanical issues itself just taking a breath. Because if you just they just let it out. It's going to relax those muscles. It's GonNa give yourself a chance to get yourself in position to succeed from pitching standpoint again which is super super important and Just taking a second and not just kind of become a robotic and just being like man I just want to get this over with just on the mound throw step on the mound throw stuff on the mound through so I doubt I think if I had to do it and there was that just in that moment on the mound visit that that'd be what I would tell myself. Yeah just just breathe and it's funny that people again when you haven't been through it all what a you just tell them to breathe and they fix the hips like it in fixed infix. Chuck Knoblauch cur can kill. But it's like it. Is that simple? And it is also that complex. Because it's not like you stand on your right foot and touch your nose and then reminder you go to a tropical island it's just trying to get your is trying to re regain control over your limbs by giving away the control. Because that's it's like a paradoxical problem because when you I gotta throw it in in this place you start to control your body like a like a man in a in an earth mover in a caterpillar. And that's not how you have to be. You have to just be relaxed and let the wall happen and like let the let the pitch happen. Let the ball come out like a whip and it's it's like the whole like hey don't think of a pink elephant thing. This is a classic the mental game of Baseball. WanNa one right there. It's like the first chapter sort of thing Yeah think it's a interesting to see what people do with that going forward because I think we're so much smarter now in terms of what we do with our bodies and the mental game is becoming so much of a bigger part but for a people thought I think it was Just a mental thing for for everyone and I think it's it's part mental but I think it's foolish to think it's either just mental or physical. It's a combination of both. Obviously so because we're so much smarter with the mechanical stuff I I definitely had didn't have ideal mechanics for it either so it was a combination of. Hey just taking your time With the mental side and paint Nebraska down. But also. You do need to be doing some things to fix yourself candidate because when you do have good mechanics need you do have those things. You're going to give yourself competence because those are going to help you clean up and and drone strikes and that's going to help you on the mental side too so it's a two way street. Yeah so between Games do you. I'll be curious to hear all share my experience so between games. And you know this when a reliever because relievers throw every day so when we're playing catch in between games or in pre-game everyone's working on something you go through normal pre game routine but with a lot of guys you see him. Maybe they had a bad outing and they're doing extra dry worker. Extra drill work or they're throwing extra sliders because they hung a couple or whatever it is Like one response to having a bad outing but you know as well as I do. If you've fifty relief appearances in a summer. You're just GONNA have bad outings. And sometimes they're just going to be bad for no good reason they're just you know they just got hits and the ball fell in and whatever And so a thing for me that I learned over time and this definitely changed. 'cause when I was younger I was always trying to fix what was wrong and as I got older. I think one of the things that helped me be successful is that I didn't try to fix things when I wasn't sure something was wrong so when I would have bad outings. I would not do more drill work. The next day I would not throwing worker balls Maybe if I like if Microsoft felt wrong or whatever like obviously you always want to work on tuning things that need to be tuned up but I was never a guy who would go do extra stuff just because I had a bad outing because I didn't want to give power to the bad outing. It's like just because I'm like crap on Tuesday doesn't mean I need a fix myself doesn't mean on broken doesn't mean. I won't just pitch like normal on Wednesday and for me. That was a positive thing but then on the other hand my last season I had some. I had a lot of shoulder pain and I was trying to work some things out mechanically to alleviate it and I got and so I was doing extra work before the game like in pre-game I got there by myself before everyone else came out and through and actually labeled as being a head case because of that it's like the all there's blue like he's not pitching. Well I mean it was from my pitching coach. I mean and it's like look dude. I know what I'm trying to accomplish out here for a reason. I'm struggling and I have a plan to fix it so just if you don't like it. I don't care just leave me alone but I have a reason. I'm doing what I'm doing so I know there's give and take on. Do I need to do something more to fix myself? Because it impact well which was definitely the case in my last season or do I just need to be like look. Sometimes bad outings happen. Screw it I don't need to fix anything they just. That's just the ups and downs of baseball. So how do you counsel Your Guy? On that. On the the ebb and flow and the you know the waves that they experienced during season yeah. That's that's basically exactly what I what I try. And do. Your is is how to how to manage that for the guys in and The best simple sort of is preparation. Breeds confidence so And having good preparation comes from a routine so it took me until I was twenty six years with rock onto to finally have a really good routine of pro bowl. Just because you said that your your podcasts that it's different in college and it takes a little bit of time to kind of find your rhythm and When you have routine you have the baseline to go back to When you do have those that outings it's it's something that you can rely on. You know that. Okay that's fine. Whatever I had a bad outing and I'm just GonNa go back and Trust my routine and trust my preparation and continue to do what I've been doing to this point and having success with that and Sick the and it's it's super important. I my pitching coach when I was in. Rock news actually With the with the twins now Richard sales are He he said a a quote or something. He had heard from another pitching coach. But it really resonated me in our independent ball season. We had one hundred games if you're starting pitching every five days twenty games and it's Five of those games you're going to dominate and you're going to be unhittable five of those games. You're going to be terrible in just knocking out of those stuff. And then those ten in the middle are going to be the Games where you're gonNA have to find the kind of work through some things and the closer you can get to have those wants to be the dominant side than the other side. More success you're going to have and I think by having the a good routine and good preparation and good A good process going into every start is GonNa get you more likely to be towards up the positive side towards the negative side so I work a lot with the guys on on creating a good routine and sticking to that because when you do get into trouble and you do need that. Take take a second. We're second and third no outs and your is through the roof and you need to step off and take a deep breath. It's let's let's go back to my pre pitch routine and and stick to that and and trust what I'm doing in my preparation to give me to lead me to the success. I'm going to have on the mound and I played other sports. I try and use examples from other sports a lot. But I use the foul shots and basketball for pre pitching so Actually just came from coach youth kids but I do it a lot with these kids like. Hey what's you play basketball. What's what's your routine. Every one of them knows it without a doubt during through like. Oh it's I I use my nipple line was three gerbils and a spin. I was caught it on the black side of the ball. I shot my free throw and Ask them okay. Well what's your pre pitcher teen and none of them have an answer. So it's it's something simple whether it's just the amount way to clear it or seven back on the mound looking for the pitch that taking a deep breath but having that consistent prepaid routine to get yourself prepared similar golf somewhere to a lot of other sports I think that's what's going help you have successional situations in The fix those like you're saying they're the issues you might have when you get those spots on them out. Yeah so I know golf. You know it's it's so hard to be as consistent as you want free throws a great example the It's hard to know. I think it seems easy. I guess what I'm trying to say. It seems easy to just like make a routine like oh I'll just do these drills and these couple of things but since every pitchers a little different and everyone's especially especially mindset is different becomes really tough to figure out like what who am I what what do I wanna be like like. Am I trying to make myself as calm as possible in the mount as aggressive on the mount as possible as you know like you said? You won't be too amped up. Oh it's like well. How amped up should I be coach? Should I be a seven point? One Chevy six. It's like no one has an answer. And so you've tried it all. And you try to follow the breadcrumbs. I guess because some people are more aggressive and need to be less aggressive. Some people are more aggressive in need to be more aggressive. I think no yeah. It's it's it's a personal journey for everyone. That's what's going to work for you And I think that's another thing I I work with the guys and I think Some of the meditation stuff we do it just learning to to recognize who you are as a person and and what works for you Goes a long long way and and teaching that stuff and the self awareness and and and I'm not a guy like I've heard you say and knowing you now for a little bit. You're not a guy I would imagine. That was screaming and yelling. Pumping his chest hit necess- coming off amount of for big struggle. Just kinda going to buy Your Business Finish and you knew that and I think the sooner kids can figure out who they are as a player and be comfortable in their own skin. Because like I said I wasn't comfortable now. It's getting early on in my career in college and I was trying to pretend to be someone that I wasn't and I think that hurt me down the road. It was it was. I didn't learn how to deal with those failures. And how to work through them and and create them within my own image of my own self. Because I didn't understand myself. So the sooner we can we can do that as players And as coaches we can help our players to do that The better off. They're going to be in the long run. Yeah and your and your coach. You mentioned the the breaking your twenty starts into five grade. Five terrible five mediocre. Yeah I got told that for the first time when I was twenty maybe in college and exactly yeah I am. He's like look your your career is going to be in. You could break it up in a four four games so you're going to be like you said lights out one game and terrible another and you're GONNA win and lose those to be you. Know pitchers are three and one bad pitchers are one and three and what you do on the two two games where he doesn't feel that great or Kinda hurts or you just the ball's coming out. Whatever it's like the best pitchers they find ways to win. They find ways to mentally make their stuff better and compete and are good for their team. And that's true. I mean you see like you know with all these premier major leaguers. You see Max Scherzer. When he's got his the game that he wins stuffy punches alley eighteen guys but he doesn't punch out eighteen guys every time and then sometimes he up runs but a lot of times he'll he could probably strike out five or he could strike out nine depending on who he is and of course he always seems to choose a strikeout. Eleven or we don't want he's not as best so yeah exactly and it's it really is an important lesson. We used penalized example. I mean I it was cool the couple of years ago when you had. Kluber win the CY young and yet sure when I was like all right. Those are two completely different pitchers and how they go about their business and and to use them as example for kids is is off as you can just guys are right here in front of. Us Watch video on them and there's one way to do it and there's another way to do which kind of both ends of the spectrum. Where are you in that and and be comfortable enough to just buy into to? What's going to work for you and Yeah it's IT'S I. I take an immense amount of pride and trying to figure that out guy so it's hot. Yeah so what would you say? Were your influences. As far as you know mental training or meditation. You know this is what I studied in college so I had like sort of foundation on it. But you know where did you where did you get into? I heard you mentioned the APP head space. Which actually haven't used by I've heard of but Who are your? Who are your Baseball Mental Gurus I didn't really have anyone specifically within baseball but I think that year I took off. I got I worked for a startup so I was trying to Just being curious having a growth mindset trying to trying to get better. I was listening to podcasts. On startup. Southside LISTENING TO TIM. Ferriss as podcast. I kinda got into that. And and just some of his guests having them on and learning through them kind of like all right there. There's other ways to do things that helped me a lot And then I guess for the the I found out about head space through some of those those podcasts which is great. I think everyone should have it. It's free and There's there's I don't even know what to call. It'd be guided. Meditations that you can do for free. I think they have ten free ones before you can decide if you want to buy it or not so i. I Read Obstacles Away Pretty Pretty Classic book to read for Mental Training for a lot of athletes. I think in terms of the last ten years Really by Ryan holiday and that one helped me a lot just in terms of The stoicism it's kind of a more of a modern take on stoicism how to apply. Do It's everyday life now whether that'd be athletes or anything else in life Business whatever so. That was definitely one of them. But I didn't have one specifically within baseball and I think like I said I was too proud or macho to to look for that in baseball and it took me to get away from baseball to do that and And then when I came back for the kind of the the ten months I'd taken off before My season would rockland. That that's helped me the most is i. I kinda found outside of baseball for whatever reason and then I used it when I got back into baseball. And that's kind of Okwu was the turning point for me in terms of Was like wow. I can't believe I didn't think to use this stuff earlier. Even get into it and I just understand. It's important so much more now because I said it took me Failing getting released twice and and injured getting the gifts man. Like like all right. You can do this you can. You can kinda come back from these sort of things using these mental skills in these mental tools to to put yourself in a position to succeed again. You just did not do this before and it was. It was actually sober exciting myself. I was like wow. This is awesome. I'm definitely a self discovery advocate. I think it's the best way to learn. It might be a little bit slower but I think it's GonNa stick a lot a lot more and unfortunately that's kind of what I had to go through to do it but It's I think that that was kind of what my My an inspiration came from Yeah Yeah I think it's annoying. How stupid are old cells or like it really is. It really is. My my brother was is big into philosophy like yourself so he talked a lot about that stuff and He sent me a lot he he was a catcher at Columbia University. So He's smart guy. He was Lucky to pee. Mak His pitching coach when he was he. Yup He He helped him with that stuff. And and my brother's I've looked at it to him for guidance as an older brother. Because he's he's so much more cerebral than May in terms of just Recognizing that stuff and Yeah he's he was huge help to yeah it's It's funny how everyone experiences change differently. And you touched on the identity stuff which I'd love to get back to because that's been a big thing in both of our lives in the last two years I it's really tough walking away from the game and figuring out like where you're going like you don't really walk away from the game you really just. Kinda like wander you stagger and try to like figure out what is happening but you know. I. It's weird how you Kinda go back on. Everyone asks me that question. Like what are you? GonNa do with philosophy. What are you GonNa do a philosophy as each day goes by? I do like more more than you're using it. Use it every day and it's I think it's one of those majors. That might come back in a little bit. But even if it doesn't it's just like seems like it's doubling back in the real world like you said with Ryan Holidays Book which I haven't read it but I need I need to read. It's been on my list. I highly recommend it. And you know like Mark Manson's book the subtle of not giving a fudge. I read enjoyed that one. I resisted it because I didn't like the title. I'm like God this is just GonNa be you know this is like a spammy title it's like eighty But it was like a good Lehman Book. I didn't WanNa like it and I liked it. Because it relatable like I thought it was and the narrator is also really good so whoever I can't remember his name but designing I'm like you're my favorite narrator actually reminded me of you and I was listening to it if I'm being honest just like I just thought it was Funny because I listen to it on audiobook do so. I was trying to say that good. Well he was. He was going to be my pick. If I A was gonna not married my on my own book which I am or be if I could afford it which I couldn't It's like five grand again audiobook done because it's not it's not easy work And he was really good at making inflection which election like he when it needs to be like when he needed to say the F. Word really well he was hitting the Gong on those f. Words it was pretty good. It was a solid book. I mean what do you think like for college? Guys feel read a book on Mental Training. Obviously you have to read stuff when you're in college but I wanted to talk with mental. Training is that there's not a lot of resources out there younger players that they would ever want to digest. Yeah I I've been meaning to do it. It's been on to have all the books already picked out but I I have have kind of a little mental corner that I put together in our hitting facility our barn and I have a pile of books. The only reason. I haven't put it there because I don't want people taking the books and not bringing them back but I basically have like just a something. Hey this is here. If you guys WANNA WANNA look at it. It's it's either resources by all means you can take them use them. Read them return but carpet square and like the Little Sippy Cup. I'd have to have a sign up sheet or something. That's that's kind of the other is I haven't done it yet. I don't WanNa lose because I enjoy myself but Yeah I think it's I think just for for kids in general I think it's getting better but Learning those skills and how to deal with Just our emotions and recognize like you don't need to be complete consumed in the Senate doesn't need to Make the your day worse or make your day better. It's just this. Hey this is Emotion up doing right now like let's just kind of our. That's that's fine and let's move on And that's a skill. I think a lot of kids aren't learning at a young age. I definitely didn't learn it so I try and do that with our guys and just said we kind of have a little mental skills curriculum but I do those mental Mondays that We go through. We talk about that stuff. It's it's it's important and I don't have the I wish I could kinda go into detail and material right now but I haven't talked to me and I'm I don't WanNa do myself disservice. Just reading it off the top of my head. So yeah do you have any of the One of my favorite things. That study was a lot of the Samurai the Asian Asian martial arts. There's so much good thought there because I mean they knew like if you're afraid in a battle like you're just going to. It's going to be over really fast. Because the swordsman. They were so skilled that you know you see these crazy sword fight scenes in movies you know. I can't think of anything I don't know was jet. Li One of the only good I can't you know there's like incredible sword play in movies and it's so fast and like how do they counter those moves like how are they doing martial arts? They're artists their incredible and a really is only where they have to just flow. And it's just a reaction and they counter like they can't think because when you think as as a pitcher you then just like throw the ball and you hit the bowl. I watch like you if you insert your brain into one of those muscle fibers. It destroys the whole chain and the whole thing just gets screwed up and in sword play. They knew that so everything. They did so much meditation and there were so many good books written on having an unfettered mind. I mean there's a book called the unfettered mind and just just being clear and free flowing and then if you flow you have this mind like water. That can just go where it's needed. Then you'll have your best possible chance and So that was really impactful for me back in at twenty twenty one even though I didn't end up using any of it until a lot later because I think it's an you could speak to this. It's probably one of those things that players may be. Don't they probably like listen? And maybe indulge Jew. But they don't really maybe had sink in until they're really challenged by it exactly. Yeah and and I think just even 'cause I know they're going to retain everything we know that as coaches you teach and You try and help out as they can but they're gonNA learn when they WANNA learn And what they want to learn so regardless of kind of of how well we do it and at least in my opinion and it might just be a certain point in life where it clicks and a part of the school the way. What one of my favorite parts of it was. It was talked about Defeating our emotions with logic and basically just like all right. I'm noticing I. I'm freaked out second and third like craft. It's a tie game. It's the bottom of the ninth I've known out like we're tough spot here. It's like I will. I recognized situation. I'm smart enough to. I know how feeling right now. I'm smart enough to realize like all right. I'm worked up okay like step off. I guess I'd take a breath but these emotions that I'm feeling right now helping me. Complete my objective at hand and the answer is no more times than not and a lot of times that. Just dissolves the anxiety or the fear or the Nervousness. That comes with that and that helps me a lot so we talk about that a lot of guys. That just I if you're feeling these things just recognize that and and Ask yourself a question is. Is this going to help me? Throw the next pitch down and wait for a strike or is this going to help me execute a slider to this right hand about her No it's not so it just makes it that much more simplified and streamlined and yeah might take a couple of failures or maybe ten failures or for me five years of Pro Bowl and getting released three times to figure it out but The sooner we can kind of get them to be like all right like if we can just think through this and be logical about it. It's going to help us in terms of executing the task. Neither do as a hand at hand pitcher. Yeah and I think that was a really good point and I think one of the things that you learn overtime. Which button do you push? When you're in trouble like for some people it might be the art. This is the logical approach to how I'm feeling like I. There's this isn't helping me if I'm feeling this emotion or this way like you said and then for other people might be something different and then for someone else it might be to relax and someone else might be to be more aggressively for me. I learned over time that my switch was he was taking a deep breath but then I would like distinctly. Fear feel like a fighter flight. When I got in those situations I would feel myself just like kind of like you make your turtle and I would just like I could feel myself one of flea and be scared and and and then like ease off and try to hit my spot and be real precise and that was always made things worse and that overtime that I wasn't a I couldn't more from like a semi power pitcher because unite both played when the era where like ninety two fast now like middle schoolers throw that heart but ninety two and it was considered fast and I had some life on it if I got that little if I listened to the the angel on my shoulder who said just hit your spot I saw through ninety one and two guys teed off on it but if I listen to the devil who was like. Listen we're just GONNA put your head down and we're going to tackle the hitter in his chest That one that was the button that I had to push. I had really kind of get a little bit stern of myself and be like no. You're backed into a corner you're GONNA we're going to a step towards this guy and you're gonNA throw the first punch and that was how I got better and then after I had made that I like attack move towards the plate and Ram that first pitch in there. Then I'm like all right I like. I'm under way I can do this. I can start digging myself out. So that got. I like shovel full of digging yourself out. I think is unique to everyone and like you said it it. It sucks that you take so long to figure it out because there's no there's no magical answer and that's why I love coaching so much. 'cause it's I like to think I had the ability to kind of get to the highest level and if I just had these these tools and these These thought processes that I could use to help me back then. I like to think I would have had a better shot at it and I think if I can give that to a kid who was similar spot to me that that's what's most rewarding to me about it but And it goes back to what we were saying before With coach Vance always talks about finding your edge and it kind of sounds like What kind of Pitcher are you? Are you a guy that works better? When you're jacked up better when you're kinda calming yourself down and find like your little. Zen Zen piece then place on the mound to to go to work. And keep that focus but find what what's going to work for you So coach Vance off. Cr are pitching coach. Your eye but He he says it all the time. Find your edge. What's going to work for you? It doesn't matter what it is is going to be different. Everyone that was Plant one of my teammates is a quick story but one of my teammates in college inspire strongest player. It's actually John Andreoli he's Up Up and down a little bit in the big leagues. Different teams He's one of the team and he was squatting and Told us the story really man like John What are you what are you tell yourself before you put like five hundred plus pounds back. He goes this imagine Stranger walking down the street and of course my mom down stealing her purse and then I just go to work and I was like all right man. I guess. That's you're like us. He's kind of a more of a kind of a intense individual than me. But that's that's how we did it and That's worked for him and That's not GonNa Work Everyone. Obviously but it's you need to like. I said that learning who you are as a person and and fully by into like a this is why am I gonNA use this to my advantage? This is this is my badge. I'm I'm unique not that everyone's a special butterfly snowflake or anything like that but yeah exactly but it's You can use what you have to your advantage and and go from there. Yeah I remember. I guess I was trying to sort it out in college but I remember. I was playing summer ball. It was my sophomore after my sophomore year. And we had this pitching coach. Sneeze Bobby saint-pierre. He's a scout somewhere. A camera with what team I think is with the royals. But he's probably certainly not listening to this but if you if he did he'd probably appreciate that one time and he was like this very straight face he kind of looked like a little bit like Kevin Spacey and just like very stoic. Very hard to read. He played With the EGOT use the Cape Cod pitcher of the year. The year you got drafted by the Yankees made the triple. A is a very cerebral smart like salty baseball guy and so I was naturally just like super intimidated by him. I really want to learn from him but I just. I was just really just intimidated and I guess I was trying to sort out. It came exactly did it but one day. I decided that I needed to be super relaxed on the mound that it was going to help me out and I just want to see if it would help me out. I don't know I can't remember why I did this. We've all done that. Just try and so but I don D- And I'm naturally a honor like I'll yohnap because on board. I dislike a slow breath and in college when I was like super in shape. My Paul my resting pulse was like forty eight. I was my my dad was a runner and I think I've good. We have good blood but I just was a honor but I was out. Throw them out twice and he walked out after the second one. I didn't know I was doing it. But he walked out and he said if you every on on this effing mound again you that you'll be gone well relaxed anymore and looking back on it. That was me trying to explore and just like being a kid and I didn't explain that to him. I was too scared after that. So explain it for sure. I was going to make an excuse for myself Sir. Yes yes sir. No more yawning. Yes there got it got it. Sir. I think we're in a different different space now to it just in terms of today let. Berlin pitchers be so much more creative. Now and whatever's GonNa work like if you're going to get out to If that works you the way to go but not a bad way to do it. So as we start to taper down here what do you think is the future in? Baseball? You're seeing these kids grow up with all this technology with all the INSTAGRAM's in the world we've got the the flat ground APP which is great helping kids get out there and recruiting where it looks so much is changing kids. Throw harder Baseball's changed a lot. And all these kids you recruiting are vastly different than the kids that you have today and the kids a youth today are vastly different than you or I Not Uri but you or me and So where do you see the game going in the next five years? And how do you feel like all the technology and the mental stuff and all these all these resources that kids have podcast book like what's happening with baseball? Like huge question island. You'RE GONNA go with that. No that's good. Yeah it's crazy. I mean even from the year that I two years I took off from when I was playing when I release the nationals. There was like there was some data stuff in and came back with the twins or fourteen dollars for the nationals than fifteen sixteen seventeen with the twins. It was like night and day in terms of the the the tools that we have at our disposal. When I when I was in with the twins it was incredible. It was so cool so exciting so I'm really excited looking forward to the data stuff's cool I think I still think we were. We're kinda getting into that The I guess I think of a way to phrase this but I still think we needed to get winning as one of the more important tools like kids that are winners and know how to win and come from winning when he backgrounds I think it was tied blank. Meier on your podcast was talking about how the amateur says tough right now and I played legion bowl. I didn't play any of the tournament style You stuff and legion. You have a regular season and then you have a play often and you have a state championship. And there's a there is a true national champion versus if there's ten national champions for you with all these tournaments over much is going on now and I think having something to play for versus just having plan for to get showcase and have your skills skill shot so. I think kids need to put. I don't know if it's Ki- kids kids fallen out. I don't know how to fix the problem but I think that's what I we like to look for is is kids that are WanNa win and know how to win have been winning environments whether the State Champions or whatever it is I think that's super important so I think we need to to to do that. some of the data stuff. I think is now I wanna say it's a little much because it's awesome. It's super useful and it's crazy but I don't think I'm just getting over this factor myself because I almost think that we can solely rely on data sometimes and I. I was almost to the point where it was like. Oh Man baseball just GONNA be. We can just predict it almost to a degree and just use this data and do a really good job and proving that this is GonNa work in this situation x amount of times. Whatever all the percentages and that that was. Kinda dreary for me. And I'm kind of getting through that now. Realize okay. There's still a human element and and it's GonNa It's going to be positive and they'll be close. I'm sure we'll kind of get over the hump with today's stuff and go more towards like I said the mental side I read the Astro Ball. I thought that was a good book in terms of how they put together their team when they won the world series and and Creating a good clubhouse dynamic and that sort of stuff and that's wild that they're able to kind of quantify that at this point at least even marginally I think it's interesting so I'm excited for the direction of the game's going. I think it's cool. I think it's a new and it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting. I think we've seen how much it's changed in the past ten years. I can't imagine how it's going to be in the next ten years. Just like the rest of the technology so my business where Lucas and I were talking about that in our podcasts. And there's going to be like giant spiders playing left field multi ball and like it's going to be a big pinball game basically. I think there's like how I don't know if it was like the Simpsons Futurama volleyball. Yeah it's like they're playing this game where it's just robots and it's Yeah it's it's it's cool. I mean I I'm not gonNA knock it because I think it's awesome and I'M A. I'm a huge state. I try and do as much as we can at the college level and it stopped at the cops over just gives us You know have as many resources but I enjoy doing it so I I'm not gonNA knock it now and it's an I can kind of feel what you're getting at. Which is that and for me like I'm on the outside like I'm a private instructor and I I don't really care what people think but I think the data stuff is getting crazy. I think it's getting excessive. I think it's getting overblown really really fast. And I think everyone's afraid to say that out loud because if you say that then you're like stuck in the past like you you're not a growth mindset. You're not a forward thinker. But it's like look everyone is just spouting off data Blah Blah Blah and. Everyone's trying to be the smartest. Most data driven person on twitter. And it's just like a little much like we can find a balance. Baseball is still done by human beings like you said there's still a huge mental aspect and I love what you said about competing because that's the mental part that Yelich bunch of kids who had a hit the ball off the tee. And you know they know how to throw the ball fast but the kids that tie blank. Meyer said no how to compete. When they're when they're scared like art second and third winning runs on second. I know how to bear down and compete because I want to win. Like that's an intangible. That's not going away and that's something you can't necessarily. I mean you can help to a hopefully you know increase it but some people just they come. Competitors are they are they. Aren't you know and And you you can say I mean there's people that have had that flip that switch that haven't had in the past two and they've had some success later on their careers because they've they've found that for whatever reason and this is not about data like a little question at the end but it like the Games definitely changing and I think there's a little bit of fear like because we see everyone getting hired. They hired a million college guys which is Great. These are bright guys. Who Have you know? A lot of Therefore thinkers are not afraid to use the new data and the new technology to to better baseball players. But all this just seems like a little fast. And like a little crazy where it's gonNA pull back in two years or three years and we'll find a balance again and it just seems like there's a lot of people you know a friend of mine who's a friend who's a scout is like dude. I mean don't we still value being smart pitcher? Don't we still value? You know all the human part like you said and I mean if everyone. It's like big players who pitched in the big leagues like their experiences. Matter Anymore. Like you can't be a coach if you pitch in the big leagues but you can be a coach if you're really good on twitter you know. There's the weirdness it's a weird period right now where I'm not picking on any single person like there's a lot of super qualified people in different ways but there's definitely some strangeness to the changes that have happened so fast. Yeah I definitely agree. It's funny I we're we're still young but we're the old magnon at the clouds now to agree. Yeah I've just label myself a Simpson and I'm not I mean I think I'm completely. You're one hundred percent right. It's it's it's something that we're going to have to deal with going forward Per forever with with based on it's it's It just how we need to find a kind of the happy medium where it's GonNa be a useful and it's not gonna be the end all be all. Yeah and I think baseball is doing what you and I both described as all these pictures and ourselves doing. We're they're trying new stuff out. There's a lot of people getting hired into roles that would never have traditionally been those roles and some workout extremely well and some of them won't and baseball's is baseball's like trying new things and figuring new stuff out and it's different and they're going to figure out who they are basically going to figure out who it is and how much data fits in D. Two dozen and they're going to need some of these big leaders to come back into some of these roles probably to like say. This is how you nurture guys all along mentally and a work experience matters and where the data ends and how you get a guy through a season when he's he's hurting and he's mentally beat down in his having trouble at home that the data doesn't help them with. I don't know yeah and and even I think even just How the the mental side will help to affect the data like if we we figure out something where hey we need to be able to have these kids to have the skills that growth mindset type stuff because that's going to help produce more positive data whether would good statistics and all that stuff. It's it's important and I think kind of in the future for myself. That's a role that I I am interested in in terms of like doing. It's it's having those young kids where it's Just because I I remember I was stuck in an extended one spring training with the nationals. And you feel these kids from the Latin America overseas who don't have like I said the the mental toolkit to Kinda handle what's going on And having someone there to kind of help them along in that mental side of it I think they're getting better at that level and the pizza development part of it not just a skill set but the mental side of it That's that's an interesting more about than Working directly with making this guy a better pitcher. I'm GonNa make this kid a good person that's going to be handled for the rest of his life. That's why like college to get to work a little bit younger kids and Yeah I think I think we'll get there the it'll be a happy medium at some point some it is. It is funny. Just how how? Yeah it's new. It's new it's exciting. It's scary it's I I do. I do get a little depressed from it. Sometimes though it's like man like we're just I'd almost like. Is there going to be a point? Where it's we're just going to Max out on baseball. It's just we're GONNA be flatlined on like we've optimized it and I know it's kind of ridiculous to say but I think I I always think to myself do like. Is there going to be a point where it's GonNa be all right? We have to throw a hundred and five and then we have two guys. That's eighty five just to kind of like mix it up. Because that's what the data's tell us. Now it'll be interesting to see how involved but just when when will regress how far will regress interesting stuff. Yeah GonNa Change for sure. So Dave how can people follow up with you? They want to be active on geography. I'm not to be a man I can I can. I can give them some good maps. I guess You do roadmap sorry. So I'm not too active on social media They can follow the the Road Baseball Scouts. If they want. I do some of that stuff. I'm at saved dishere so just Switzer's the DNS twitter That's the one I I'm kind of the most active with baseball and serums gotta just my personal family. Pre kind of private account I don't use either too much. I was laughing when when pizza. He just takes Takes from twitter and doesn't provide Mushin. It's not very nice. Yeah but I'm definitely a lurker on twitter. I'm always liking stuff. Most favorite and stuff and save and stuff. So if you WANNA get in touch with me Yeah that's right. The best supposed to do is on twitter at Fiv B. I. S. C. H. E. R. So favor. Sure I'll I'll link. Yeah so they'll be a click through and So yeah I'd look for that and their description if you wanNA follow Dave But they are going to show me and it was good catching up with you again. It's been a while sure. Sounds like you're doing great. Yeah you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA be a saber seminar again. That's that's where we met with our Lulu Pants. Yeah I think I am. I just enjoyed. It was a good crowd Have my dad with me last year. It was good to to get him kind of into the baseball circles. A little bit and You know hopefully. They'll fight pitching talk. They'll they'll have me back. But I've enjoyed Dan Brooks and They awesome jobs. Yeah they're awesome awesome. Yes Oh very nice Nice get together and I did one of a I did want to say I'm going to be the pitching coach for the Bourne. Braves this year. Seven wants is in the Cape and wants to come say. Hello. I'll be down there too so I'm excited for that. I think that's going to be a cool opportunity for me to so yeah Nice. Yeah so probably everyone in a cave throws triple digits. Now who knows? We'll see that'll be cool man at baseball's changed and there's some power arms coming up young until you. What so for sure seem all right. Well this was deere baseball. God's and Thanks for being with us. Be Sure to subscribe here on. Youtube or podcast. Land wherever you are share the the show especially this one. You know this will last week. We'd a lot of great talk on the mental side of the game. And it's something that's just it's it's tough. It's no one's fault. It's just a tough thing to cover when we have so little practice. Time and youth. Baseball coaches have so much organization to do. It's tough to to make yourself a a mental corner with your little carpet squares in your in your books and all this stuff like you. Kinda college program. So it's a really. It's a really under appreciated underrated underutilized thing. And it's just kind of how the way it is until you get enough contact time like the guys in college do Great talk here today with Dave Dave. Thanks again for being on the show. Appreciate thank you and thank you listening. We'll see here next week on your baseball gods.

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