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Episode 42 In the C-Suite with Jennifer Fried, CEO, ExplORer Surgical
"Hello and welcome to episode forty two of the medical device. Success podcast and video cast. I m ted newell your host. Thank you very much for spending time with us today. Today's episode is another in our series of in the c. suite episodes and our guest is jennifer freed. Ceo of the startup explorer surgical a lot of surgical sales and support went virtual and or partially virtual in twenty twenty. Guess what that is not going to change. In twenty twenty one or beyond healthcare executives surgeons and medical staff are seeing the benefits of virtual platforms. And they like what they're learning. You will see proof of this in just a few minutes and they will be pressuring the med tech industry to continue to provide support even when more access is allowed in the operating room and procedure. Rooms this is why. I have been looking forward to this interview through explorer surgical jennifer. Her co founder and her team have put together a terrific platform that puts any medical device company team member and or key opinion leader surgical proctor in any surgical or procedural suite remotely. At any time. Everybody wins as you will learn in this interview and by everybody. I mean the patient the hospital and the medical device company. You will not only enjoy this interview because you learn about a platform that could benefit many of you and your company's but it is also a great story about the birth and nurturing of a startup by the way. I am also the host of the med tech leaders community. You can learn more about med tech leaders at med tech leaders dot net. And this is a place where leaders and those aspiring to be leaders. Get together to help each other out with best practices problems solutions. Ideas end successes. There is a thirty day. free trial again. You can learn more at med tech leaders dot net. Please check the show notes for lengths like jennifer freeze linked in profile and also the explorer surgical website. Now let's get together with jennifer freed and learn how we can work more effectively in the operating jennifer free. Thank you so much for being on the podcast and video cast today. I we're going to learn a lot of interesting things about the explorer. Surgical platform robbing the. Oh it's great and especially in this pandemic environment which has ruled us for the last year and will continue to influence us going forward But i think there's some interesting things here that i i want to go over. One thing i wanna do is i wanna define Sort of the challenge that we have. I'm just gonna put a couple slides up here really quickly to To share with everybody and so this is what we call the med tech access challenge and so for most of my listeners and viewers as some of the stuff isn't unfamiliar so go really quick. You know we can't prospect face to face the tools and training They're coming into play a lot more. But i still think a number of companies lack some of these tools and you provide an interesting tool then reduced access to hospitals in general reduce access to operating rooms and procedure rooms to assist in those procedures and those surgeries and then reduced access to hospital floors for in services and bedside training. That's the the access challenge we have. That was really amplified by kobe this past year. And let me go down here. So what's the future of access and you can. You can When i get through these. I'm going to ask you what you think. I missed but one thing is what we don't know we're learning new stuff about this virus every day and we'll herd immunity really be herd immunity. You know still in the united states. There's a large percentage of people that indicate they're uncomfortable with taking a vaccine and a lot of that's due to disinformation and herd immunity is based on the willingness of people to take the vaccine or a. We always going to be pressured by viruses. And if you don't have good her herd immunity all you do is create a place for variance to thrive and we're going to have variants and more variants and we don't know how the current vaccines work against these variants and that all leads up to risk management which not only hospitals and clinics trying to manage what also doctors in their offices are trying to manage and finally after a whole year of covid. Were a lot of things went. Virtual and virtual support became Something very important. I think people have found there's advantages to virtual support and in fact if we go to a survey it's a little bit blurry i'm sorry but this is actually something that you shared on lincoln jennifer Which i think is terrific if you add up these these top three bars. You're at about seventy five percent of hospital c. suite executives saying that they like virtual interactions with the vendors. Expect them to continue going forward. Even post pandemic so that's sort of the environment the framework that we're working from as we start to talk to you today. Would i'd like to do now. Is go to you and explorer surgical at me unsure this slide and tell us who you are and what your role as explorer surgical and basically what explorer surgical does thank you so much for that great introduction. E- ends at fletcher's say who published last survey they show you know really great source of data and research on you know what hospitals are seeing in terms of china's anchor. Any listening to check out. Fletcher stayed in murphy. Great data that they've published so. I'm john agreed. I'm the ceo and co founder of explore surgical We started our company out of her research lab at the university of chicago hospital. And what we are is a digital and remote For for the medical device industry is a good time. We'd like to share my over knee side. Not yet because i wanna make a comment about this but one of the things we agreed to. Jennifer is frequently. When i'm talking to a ceo and in this in the c. Suite series as. I like to sort of go into their background story. But in this case i wanted to jump right into the technology and talk about that and i think what listeners ought to know and viewers ought to know is that what is interesting. Here is the first assumption you have. And it was the first assumption. I had when i heard about explorer surgical from your vp of sales. Jim Was that this was the child of the pandemic you know was a response to the pandemic and then when you and i got to talk and we found that that's not true so we're going to circle back to that because i think that's a really surprising part of the story but let's right now let's go ahead and jump into the technology and review what it is and what it does. So i'll share my screen. everything okay. it's yes ma'am that's right there. Perfect so you know what. Explorer is a digital remote keys support platform as i mentioned. And there's really really key pillars of our is offering that we provide to medical device companies. The first is having a digital To show best practices so we were with net device companies to script out best practices or each procedural stat and also each team member in the room. So it's like a an interactive digital isu so that members have access to best practices in real time while they're doing the procedure. The second pillar is interoperative data capture. So we make it really easy for med device. Companies martine members whether it's their clinical specialist raster -sition proctors who is working with into nature of the keystone smoothly to capture real time data very easily mobile device. The third pillar horn is hip. Compiegne brunell connectivity. So we allowed us experts to get into procedure anywhere in the world through a compliant audio and video support so that can be as simple as having mobile devices where we get direct feeds wrong that device and then we can also laid out as you can see here. you know. Direct feeds of fluoro- echoed any other patient modern tools. Wow okay and when we're looking at this actually for everybody's listening the first pillar is actually quite a big hint as to the story behind the company Although all the pillars are critical. Can if you're in the operating room with this platform could different people be looking at different elements of the platform. For example the let's say the the circulating nurses that are supporting the procedure with The instrumentation and sewn and so forth. Could they be seeing something. That's more designed for them versus what the surgeon is seeing exactly so we think about a surgical team exactly that. It's a full team of people that all have their own steps and best practices of their following to work together to ensure that the patient come. And so what we do when we built out these digital play box is that we can have a big ordeal as you can see here. Were everybody in the room At it and see the most pertinent information step of the case than we customize the content to each team member knowing that described in the room needs to know a lot of information around instrumentation but the rabbi no may have their own set of best practices. They wanna follow or information bananas now so we can have that big word view and up to four other roles that all display their owned i content specific to them where each step procedure. That's pretty amazing. And then the can the sales rep or let's say or application specialists or somebody at the company on that big board view. Can they see all the different roles that are being that are going on at one particular time or is there a way for them to switch back and forth and see them just so they can almost like a rep being in the room. I remember when i was a surgical rep in the room. You know one minute doctors talking to me the next minute i'm stepping over to the you know circulating nurses and looking over their shoulder. Can you do the same thing. Yeah so you can switch your role while you're in the case so you can switch the content that you're seeing are know. See what other people in the rumor. Siemian it talk the exactly what you said. So we found the best wraps and clinicals ashland's they're not just they're working with the physician they're working with the entire team in the realm and helping them understand. How do you put this together. Hotties the table where the things that you're looking for and so that's all we wanted to have something that was roles. Is that okay and now. Let's say this particular procedure that were involved in. This operation is part of a surgeons training. So they need some type of proctoring for so many cases before they're on their own so to speak is. Is it possible now for a supervising or key opinion leader to be looking in on the procedure and commenting and you know annotating or directing to tools for that. Absolutely there's a wealth of videos and thanks our website that walk you through this different features. But enough rossi. It's the whole package climbing all of these together. That makes us explore. So if i'm an expert physician in iraq during a new position learning that technology the new physicians able to have the step-by-step best practices in that realm Their team to be able to see you. Think about the second piece of it. That's probably what. I expedition position going to be able to do to capture a specific information. On how the case slant leaving notes you taking pictures manage meeting member and so forth to store and record for somebody to be able to see access later learned from but then i'm also able to see everything that's going on in the room in real time so can see up to four different views of video. Morale i can. On those i can share my screen and annotate on nats there's a number of different ways sackman with teen even though i'm not physically in rural with them and so let's say the the surgeon that's acts on the operating room is in one of these cases and it's a case where they're being a proctored assisted so on a by a remote surgeon and surgeon could be a thousand miles away right absolutely right okay. So they're being assisted and let's say they run into a question or a little bit of trouble. Something's not quite right. And maybe the the patient's anatomy that they didn't expect and They have to work around it and so is this a place where the operating surgeon can talk to the proctoring surgeon. And say look this is. This seems a little unusual to me and i. I'm not sure what i should be doing. Or what do you recommend that case like this. So they can have this conversation while the surgery is taking place. They're high in that conversation. In real time the proctoring position is able to see everything remotely so that position light allot. The lifelong rosca key insert marking opposite demonstrating acidic things for the position in the room to see so he can share lie. Annotations i also might say. I want to pull up something else for you to see that. I thought a picture of another case or another record. And i wanted to show this to you. Walk you through this before you do. This particular stop on the patient reformed the table right. Now there's a ton of different ways to be able to interact just like you. And i are doing on zoom right in our. I'm sharing my screen. You're sharing your screen and we can see each other. Do all of those things live during a procedure but all done in a compliantly enter excellent and in one thing. I want to a emphasize with viewers. And i found this against shouldn't be considered unusual but fascinating when you and i i talked is the idea that there's a lot of products that were involved with that have to go through some pretty significant clinical studies in a clinical study for surgical product There are you know a very well defined surgical protocol in for a company for a med tech company. It looks to me like this could be a terrific advantage in making sure that representative or application specialists that is either virtual or perhaps present the and the doctor and the staff or all following the clinical protocol accurately. Because it's right there in front of them you know. They can't miss a step and make a mistake. Could impact not only the outcome for the patient but also the outcome for the clinical trial. Absolutely so if you think about all the steps that a company takes when they're getting ready for clinical trial case know so often yet the team flying the night before you're going through a power point yours stopped by stat having some videos and then you're gonna do the same thing rewarding odds you know were able to replace all of that with one tool and having that step by step laibach that you can actually talk ruins the night before you can use that the morning off as you're preparing making us it live during the case so you're able to reinforce that treating and best practices and then you know we ally that you'll clinic Rail and they're big stacks of notebooks rights. They're trying to frantically capture as much information as they possibly can about the case there specific data points that they wanna have to be able to put into you know the abc tool to be able to share as part of the procedure. But there's oftentimes you know five or ten times more data points. That company itself is interested in and so we see that all the time i and that is the same field Pulling out there folds Picture of something during the case noting down at this time i took a picture of us and so now we have all of this together stored in one comprehensive location. It's really impressive. And you can record absolutely so we don't record by default just to be clear but we can actually they were recruiting Customer so opera consenting stand place right and it seems to me the recording could be valuable in the case of a clinical trial especially when volume is low and people are just learning how to do a procedure. There's all this knowledge that ends up getting dispersed geographically. So each site only done one or two procedures you know. Imagine how much learning there's an collectively by the tenth procedure and you can now keep back. Share it with the decision to do temp procedure. Where we're really fed us in. When you look back that survey that i referred to before and you think about what is going to happen post pandemic. I'm hearing that. There's going to be still a lot of pressure to have the virtual tools in place even if somebody is attending the surgery even if An application special store sales representative is in the or There will be now a lot more interest in having the virtual tools in place just because of some of these advantages absolutely so so what. We've explained this platform. I think pretty well. I'm trying to think. If there's i guess one question for you now that we've that we've seen it is the name of the company's explorer surgical. It's it's obvious that the the path that you took was toward surgery and you could also say other procedures because you could call an endoscopy room a procedural room right as opposed to oh are even though it's basically the same thing what about other areas of the hospital. Do you see your technology going into other areas of the hospital as well. It's funny and we have a number of wilson santa's having a party allergies face on our board and they give me a hard time all the time about the name explore surgical. Change that so at some point. You'll you'll see a press. Release austin you'll see your body but for now other things to worry about but i think we see this as a really great tool can be applied within the four walls of any kind of invasive procedure and so we see it as a great set for the. Or for the kathy lab. I r. g. i you know you name it right. So any kind of this interventional procedure on stage on a patient. We think this is a great fit for on for now. Know other areas of the hospital inpatient rooms in the. Icu are for the most part on the outside of our snow on unless last. There's any type of again procedure. That's being done in that setting. And i think one other advantage we should go back and review for. Everybody is that. This gives a med tech company. So much more flexibility in how they interact and support surgical procedures procedures. And anything else. And that you don't have to put somebody on an airplane to go proctor. And you're not subject to problems with travel. Weather delays or other types of cancellations. You can actually cover a lot more procedures. You save money. Because you're not paying for a proctor to be out of his practice or her practice for two or three days to proctor. One person they could actually proctor five people in from three day period. Yeah so and then also you can bring more people to bear in the procedure from around the company all at one time versus just having one person in the room it you know. It's funny. I think the in the last year's really opened up a lot of is the so no prior to hold in what was being done. I think was impractical a lot of sections. You know flying half a dozen people around the world to go watch one procedure in her and tens of thousands of dollars of expense and many days to travel for three our case and with covid we saw what was impracticable then become impossible which drove a lot of change and now i think we see a lot of desire to maintain you know remote for a lot of these engagements For that reason so you can actually and impact more patients and dr marci inch. If you say we're gonna take our best k. awhile physician proctor. And like you said they can procter people in five locations across a variety of the post to having a fly. But also i think there's just a general work-life balance that people are looking for more and you know at the end of the day that physicians the medical device sales reps the clinical specialist bill lemon shares. Were we're all people and people like to their families. They like to put their kids to bed at night. And have dinner with your spouse and so you know by using a tool like that. You're actually need bring a better way of life for many of these people absolutely awesome. So let's move to the story behind the company. Which i think is fascinating and this will surprise people because explorer surgical the child of the pandemic. It was actually started a number of years ago. And let's talk about that. So i think you told me that. This started around twenty fifteen. How did this happen. So my co founder. Alexander men ahead annexed. Surgeon started a research lab about ten years ago. Actually funny eleven on at the university of chicago that was studying operating room workflow and operating room efficiency or lack thereof at you. Ask him and i met alex two years later in two thousand thirteen when i'd gone back to graduate school at the time was working as a healthcare venture capitalist nasty and early stage healthcare companies. And i met alex program university of chicago. Where in talking to him. He really opened my eyes to a lot of the challenges that he saw really around the variability of what happened in the surgical suite to be honest when he described some of the issues that he had where certain things ready or he had branded team members coming in specific steps as the case and how that would result in later measure to be about five to ten percent of interoperative time being spent preventable delays. I didn't leave them. And i just said alex. There's no way that you have this many issues in in surgery and that's alex For the very first time eight years ago and as it's money. Time repayment and very quickly recognized while this is this is an incredible problem. And it's something. That's so solvable. So alex nine began collaborating together to build a technology platform. He had had her while in his head. I mean words together to take the baby steps of creating early prototypes and on getting some research funding and to help us validate that whether just something at university of chicago over it was really a broader need on across. Or's in cross searches interventionalist around the country. And it wasn't twenty fifteen that we officially incorporated as a company. We spend the university of chicago on. It was the year w received arado large grant from the national science foundation to further study. Is this in two thousand sixteen. When you're later after leading research. I then last my day job as an investor to basan building up the company fulltime so as the ended coupons sixteen started raising outside money hiring team building a commercial product and then later taking market. And when you were getting ready to take it to market and when you were doing all this planning you thought if my notes are correct that the market was going to be the hospital. We did yes we did. Tell me a little bit about that. Know are so all of our research had really center just mentioned on an operating room efficiency and so we saw really a lot of low hanging fruit and hospital in terms of value that we can create the tool like ours so you hundreds of dollars disposables waste procedures disposable items getting to never used a lot of instruments that are reusable are brought into the March racing instruments. That aren't gonna ever us an awesome vs in terms of times so it's all a lot. A very large financial proposition two had surgical services and hospital nhs managing that pia now. In addition all the clinic will benefit that we thought could be there so we originally went out and after we build Commercial version went into a number of hospitals to task this to start capturing data inserted marketing at every time reworked directly with hostile. We've been able to prove out the value proposition. But along the way as a lot of health care. Eighty companies find landed up identifying better good market by working directly with the medical device companies. So what we. Our hospitals was number one really long sales cycle which is challenging as an early stage company. so we're not profitable yet and so we rely on investment from outside investors to help us keep burning the company but no words do you have to hit milestones every twelve to eighteen months which is very hard to deal with the hospital sales cycle we also socked in the hospitals. Was you know hospitals adding rightfully so in very high level of support and so when hospitals were purchasing the software from us directly. They wanted our team to be in the room with down every day. Guiding a software setting it off working with the team and what we recognized was the greatest demand for our product was very vendor. Heavy specialties than procedures. And so often it would be. The medical device. Report clinical specialist. Give me the phone right. I got it i know. Stop sign with the team. I got covered and it led to one of the top rated companies reaching out to us it company and we started engaging with them a couple of years ago that went so well that we loved around and said you. I think this is a better good market in a way for us to really further the growth of our company of products. And we have been doing that ever since. So i'm gonna go back to the hospital being the original target and the proposition that you could save Procedure time improve outcomes. Save costs on disposables reusable. And were you. Were you able to build a financial case around. That was pretty obvious. Like what would what could a hospital save it. How can you me. An example of what savings might be. The lowest hanging. Fruit is absolutely just the disposables right. So especially if you're shifting toward based healthcare hospitals are getting at six reimbursement reward for procedures so any disposable items that could open an unused end up falling on hospital. And what we see. It does vary across specialties. But general surgery we saw the lowest in terms of waste and even that generally was several hundred dollars per case. Yeah it's absolutely incredible. And i think it it drives from the culture of the. Or were you look at the team in the room. People want to be as prepared as possible. So if he asked the scribe and say why are you opening up. Everything they're gonna say will be that. I don't wanna be that person where the surgery reaches out there he had. I don't have everything and it reminded me so much. Just how sometimes. Incentives are aligned in our in our healthcare system in terms of expense. And so you know they have been yell at before. I somebody for not having something ready and so there's this culture of open everything however has been ready. You know all of this and finish up the hospitals now and you'll see the preference. Different hospitals have been putting forth initiatives. There's a lot of hours neither saying you know. Here's the items that you should happen. The room you know that should be open and usually seems you need to have in the room. Pleased on open but they should be available and they should be sitting over here unstable and chases meat so you know. There's there's a huge opportunity there and there's you know many other researchers have published on this. There is a neurosurgery teammate. Camera which spital but these auburn nelson dollars of wasted disposables per case. So it's really just any. That's most mendez low hanging fruit. That is there. Nike block for talk about it. But i still believe there is so much value in a system like this being used in while there that comes directly from oscar companies. Like us or whether it comes from medical device goofy using a tool like this benefits all the parties that are involved in ultimately benefits chance. And so when they're using your platform there are in the following the steps and the instructions within the platform and preparing for the surgery and then supporting it. There are those tools built into it that that help stop the The people preparing from the surgery from opening up the unnecessary thing and and taking those steps that are expensive. Yeah so we. Can you know at the beginning of the case. Not just have list but also had visuals appears exactly you know what should be open and available and you're the things that you should have available but don't let them up yet in terms of you know the single steal packs and people are visual learners especially people better in a clinical setting. We've seen this over and over again and so if you get somebody allah apartments for and you've got four pages of six point hot rate. We've all seen both those parts. It's really hard to interpret and it's really hurt us and there's a lot of reference for its general but the end of the day the only thing that preference for is how is done correctly from the rate items into the room but once they're in the room there's nothing that's there to help the team so i'm walking in just busier. Thirteen trays and honest. Grub that doesn't early do spine but have now been rosie into cover for somebody. It's extraordinarily overwhelming for me to come in at the instrumentation and the kind of dot. It's open up everything's open. Everything tried to organize not breathing. So we want to support it the entire team make it easier cookie seven and have something. That's really visual back there to help them set everything up right okay. So then the first market was a hospitals. You've started realizing the difficulty. The long sales cycle sort of what you referred to in one of our previous conversations as the inertia and healthcare are especially in the in the hospital side of healthcare. That's so difficult to overcome in all of us in med tech of experienced. That one time or another. Especially if we've dealt with a new concept technology so you then a cardiology company approached you and and you you start to understand the value that you had for med tech so So it's sort of ironic in that. If the med tech companies help move this forward by adopting these virtual platform than the hospitals going to benefit by saving money on all these cases in addition to all the other things good outcomes and so on. yeah well. I think you know med device companies. It's by specialty. I think med device companies have probably been looking for ways to add more service in the way that they deliver their products to customers. And it's always been high service on in terms of you know very relationship driven know. There are certain medical device industries where products are becoming more work monetize and companies are thinking about. How can i help liver the most value to my customers. A lot of them are looking for innovative service models. Of what else. Can i offer alongside my implants on that is going to have also wanna work with the where i can hope and deliver great outcomes with our product. So that's been a trend that has been you know growing pretty heavily. I'd say ask you know five to ten years right and then if we go back to the story the company again start. Hospitals start shifting toward Companies as a as a prospective customer but. Meanwhile you're burning up cash and it's like twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. What kind of pressures are on you as a ceo. It's been several years now since you launched the company. And you probably haven't gotten quite the traction. You would have hoped to have gotten yet. What are the pressures as a ceo. There there's absolute pressure to to commercialize the product and virtually we have grades that dusters behind us who are theory experienced healthier investors and our our patients because people say look at take ten years to build a great healthcare company Fifteen years for for bio attack salvors software out of maybe were slightly lower than average Brusher like that meet those milestones. We started working on a commercial product in twentieth sixteen and spent some time in product development. But you know twenty. Eighteen is really when we sat and simply we wanna start making the switch to focus more on that device companies after having that initial engagement. Ironically two thousand eighteen was also the year they had a lot of hospitals. Call me back with signed contracts. So it's so funny the way things workout twenty sixteen in two thousand seventeen. I think i personally not with i want to say. Seventy five or eighty services directors around the country. I mean i was on lane all the time going Salesperson everybody wanted to hear you know he were looking for. And you know there were certain hanging axa details it but you know sometimes find great teams that wanted to use the system that wanted to buy but couldn't get through. The purchasing process was really ironic. That as a team. Right when you said okay. Let's focus on getting more medical device customers that all of a sudden i had hospital contracts and so there was a period of time where we were doing both and i think that experience helped us really validate that are better. Global market at the time was working exclusively with medical device company and it wasn't mental a couple of months ago that we actually rolled off of our last existing commercial hostile agreement so we still do work with hospitals today there so much valued bras having those direct relationships by for now. We don't see it as our go to market right and as you started moving into med tech. And i'm still stay. Pre cova d- Medical device companies as potential customers. Did you find that. There is a kind of nur share their for example the same thing that's crm ran into as as companies tried to adopt Crm programs the sales team was like you gotta be kitten. You want me to do this. You want to fill out all this stuff on the computer and give you all this information. This is my information you know. I'm the owner of my territory. The whole lone wolf type of thing. I don't need help from somebody else. Take care of it. Did you run into that. Yes and i think we still do on in some ways you know. I think the mets like model is evolving evolving. Very rapidly right now And i think what's happened in the past twelve months if has really been a catalyst for change the best possible way thinking about this. So you know what we end up with our customers on and working with the rats smashes that are on the ground as digital is the future and just like you and i are doing this over zoom right now i had to learn how to using before this but any personal business right now has to learn how to use video conferencing. How do use defectively as Their job digital the future attack. And so i think the resistance won't last very long and people are learning that you know we need to embrace digital tools because this is how things are going to get don and so we encourage everybody to really think about using digital tools as there's wildcats to be a great seller and to provide great clinical support to Teams that are using their products. Anneke look at the survey results that you shared earlier. You may not be able to do your job area well on it. If you don't start to incorporate digital tools on so there's always gonna be people that resisted by the the market has now spoken and the sad. You know this this is going to be our nor it's interesting back. At the beginning of the pandemic i was talking to some of my executive colleagues about their challenges and trying to get their sales teams to start working virtually with customers and with prospects and a couple of told me that. When i asked when i asked them. Can everybody adapt to this. And a one of them said. Ted i think thirty or forty percent of my team and and these are traditionally good sales reps. But they're not going to be able to do this so it's almost like there could be a different profile of a person that will succeed in this new environment and you know if if you're not that profile either going to have to get out or you're going to have to change because this is the future. I agree with you and whether people like it or not. I hope more people like it. Then don't support. How businesses is going to be done right. And i think the other thing that will happen as we come out of the pandemic and more hospitals. Say that somebody can be in the of are they're still going to want to have the virtual component. They're in support of it because there's just so many advantages to the platform and so the rep will be there but the circulating nurses and the scrub nurses and the doctors are going to expect the virtual support one hundred percent. And you know i think for stats. Were in when we think about casey support in using a platform like ours. We saw hunting customers today. That use our products in person. And that's the only they're using so all of those. You know issues around as a team that the case than if you're doing clinical trials case their team you know justin. How a lot of experience with this product because it's so early how'd you instill to best practices in. How do you capture. All of that applies whether you are in the room whether everybody is remote or whether it's kind of hybrid. I think you're right. You're gonna see a lot more a week. How the hybrid model future where local rapture are still going to be in the room In in no way too high vision you know. There's no longer any person. Presents device companies and the roxie clinical specialists have a huge role in many of these procedures and oftentimes their hands on program. Right if you look at crm. So there are some advantages for remote programming in chanaka among other companies has spoken about that. By you know. I think it goes back to you right now. Travel is permitted people possible by pre ankara's it's still impracticable. And so if you think about all the people from a company that could benefit from watching a procedure providing guidance you can't even put all those people physically in a row are dying support a case so imagine the value of being able to take your best. ko l. positions and how you know. Dozens of positions observe hamburger during the procedure having your new claiming training classes arrest. The medical specialists watching learning and asking questions about the case taking notes. There's there's so much that you can do on by using a tool like grass making you're really democratizing access to you. Know not only hcp's but to industry professionals as well exactly and let's go back to the story because now we're moving into two thousand twenty and You've got still a relatively small team Supporting you and as you just said a minute ago. You're sort of the chief salesperson in addition to being the ceo. It's it's typical of being a small company or a lots of hats now for almost ear his tastic to work site. You but my roles have changed. But i do love stopping involved in our process. Sure sure but you start into twenty twenty. And when did you get the first indication that holy cow. This is going to really boom. I mean there's a lot going on. When did you start getting your first calls. Say february was one resorted to get the inklings of How bad it was going to be because we we had a customer working with that was doing international cooperation And there were a number of japanese physicians that were planning on coming to minneapolis with particular event and that got canceled on as inserted to seek copen really rise asia and then so we started getting angling society of and i'd say rate beef for the march wizard seeds shutdowns. I was getting called team getting calls from orthopedic customers that i will be working this the sales reps who started calling in saying i'm getting lead into the hospital and i get into the room. Nike's liberal i saw. They're not letting need stay in. They're not letting us p and so. We got a lot of inklings of de sade say hyphen that month leading up to And then nobody could have predicted how widespread and how terrible trashy this pandemic was going to be an quite honestly with the freeze of elective seizures. Our company took a huge initially. So everybody now is working with us. That did a lot of work with us for in person. Mass majority of our business. All of that business list was cancelled or postponed. Everything on our sideline would spreads. New is really scary. Time for us. On but i think in april and may we started to really see business. Pick back up as legend. Teachers were happening again. And then i think it was cute. Bree where it really sunk in that you know this is. This is not just a an eight week thing but this is really something that is going to fundamentally change. The industry of course that just really life in general in a permanent right for listeners. If you can't see this i'll just tell you that jennifer has a beautiful head of hair so she didn't pull all our here last year but you must have felt like it at some time because you must have thought i have got the solution here for a lotta these problems and some people know not enough people do. Yeah you know it. A yes i some of it you know. It's also twenty. Twenty was a really unpredictable. Urine and cellmates twists and turns. You know for everybody in the healthcare space. So you know i. I think that like the first couple months. We really weren't sure what his seen by. We're really excited about what's happening in. Twenty twenty one. You know it's it's so unfortunate that it took you know a a global tragedy to start to really see this happen but you know one of my business Refused to always say nothing ever changed until something bad happens. And he's right. And i think this is. This is the line at the end of the tunnel for us and these silver lining in this situation. Is that you know to help. Your industry has embraced digital. They have embraced remote and virtual and so this applies in the or and the cat blood but also rodley throughout our entire ecosystem and there are so many benefits to us across the board. In terms of you know efficiencies in care improved access to care. I think there's really going to be just a renaissance of innovation healthier. That is going to emerging expert warriors. And were so excited. You think about the other areas that you're alluding to here but just think about telemedicine telehealth whatever you wanna call it remote patient monitoring and just think about the benefits to health. Care that all this is going to bring but one thing i'd like to go back to is a you know you you hit q. Three you're getting super traction. I'm not gonna mention the number you mentioned in one of our previous discussions but you had an you know a multiple x times growth. You said it was like having you know x. Number of years of business development and two quarters which is and you're again still very involved in all the selling but you did have you bring on Jim surrey. The started a sales team. You re able to expand other parts of your team and now. I'm just excited for you. That you're on really solid footing and with something that in. It's so deservedly. So i mean everybody's a winner in this. The patients the winter the doctor. The nurses the the med tech company. And then the hospital. The med tech company's paying for this but the hospital saves money and has a good outcome. it's just terrific. The i mean that's what we're going for. Raid is in delivering value to all of the stakeholders the most of the day the bishopric convertable accident our guiding motto. Everything we do is build a product delivery and serve as as as if it were you know your loved one that was on the table will. Would you want to happen while they were able in the room exactly as a ceo. This is a great story. I think because it's from the back of the napkin to commercialization. You don't see a lot of ceos that are founders of a company actually make it to commercialization because either too technologically oriented or they have some other weakness and if they don't know at the board knows that a change has to take place so i i just think it's great that you took it from the napkin to commercialization. It's a great story. What advice do you have for other. Ceo's in your particular situation that are you know they started with that. You know back of the napkin. Business design and they're on. The cusp of commercialisation would advice. Do you have a say patients as much as possible at cam on absolutely not a patient person but i am glad that continued persisting even through some of the united states the darker times were worried about one demarco. Murray too early so they actually have. Patients I would say take advantage of this much capital raising as you can through grants and the best thing about being in the healthcare space is there is access to so much research funding. They you get to help rake your next market. And then the last thing i say. Is you know. Keep doing customer discovering every day so the last year anything is at the market involves really quickly. So what navy happening one day. Maybe totally different next day the next week for next month and at the end of the day if you're delivering a product that creates value for your customers. You know. everything's gone. Every everything i i do. Think we'll turn out and sell but you have to keep listening to your customer is and what they need. What works for them to make. Sure you're still offering you right. Do you have any business heroes. Yeah i should have. I should have prepped. You for that one. I'm sorry i didn't you should have. I'm trying to think of caught my hat i i. I haven't number of people that i really look to you. Know as mentors and as advisors. I'm not sure enough authors. Anyone on in particular that i would So let me come back to you on that one and we segment later. Sure and then the other thing. I wanted to ask and i should have prepped. On this is is. Is there a particular book or a couple books that you if if somebody's asking you. Hey which i read about being in the c. suite or about being in a startup or whatever. Are there any books that you always recommend so for. Start ups you know. The hard thing is offered things. This is a favorite of mine. The hard thing about hard things. Yeah title well. I will look it up. And it'll be in the show notes for people to refer to so i'd not heard of that one. Okay the hard thing about hard things and all about the really early days of building the e Learned so that's probably my favorite must enjoyable up business. Buffet recommended release date on news. And then there is another books. that is The author. I want to say it is as easy to read but it is. Extraordinarily sports is called venture deals by all And it's you know how to be smarter than your venture capitalist lawyer and really nice job of explaining the different terms on the venture capital financing. 's and i think it's extraordinarily useful on an ongoing restaurants for any entrepreneur that lost raise outside to have a book that's on their bookshop. And what made you entrepreneurial. What do you think you know. Gave you the entrepreneurs gene so to speak. You know you say that. At first the jeans when i looked at my mom who runs her own business and her parents who both emigrated here are actually all costs both in their own businesses. Maybe there is actually something. That's an idea. I off to get sequenced and letting fight it. Wasn't it wasn't something that i thought i was going to do it. You know wasn't my plan coming out of college. It wasn't my plan going into your life business school. So i feel like a stoppard's be religious media and in many ways and i'm so glad that i'm doing on it's been actually credible to think about eight years ago having ever been in an operating room meeting hours for the first time sitting in this little office That you know we. We had As miniature rather than in the new hostility research hongo to where we are today now being global company with over thirty team members. It's been a really incredible. So thankful for the journey and renault done so far and just be more excited about what's to come. Well you've accomplished a lot. It's a really impressive story and i. I'm impressed that somebody that was not used to the med tech industry especially being as intimately involved as being in the operating room which i spent many years in the operating room supporting doctors but for you to go in and to be able to have the open mind understand what your co founder was trying to explain to you and and see what was going on and see the deficiencies there and what the solution could be is really impressive so A hearty congratulations professionals need at the end of the day on the team working together just like they would in any other industry in any other siding with are much higher stakes Taking care of patients. But you know that's our time is how do we naval a thima people to work together as fast as they possibly can provide a great outcome for the patient and so in this case team of people. Is you know the physician the scrub the circular at the anesthesia team and medical device company and thirteen members were in a row heart teams. And it's how do you have a tool that really enables them to work together to providing information needs provides a calculated that they need and to allow them to communicate with each other. So you know. They're the same problems they see in every other setting but for us solving this problem provides you know so much value on so many different dimensions. Which is what makes it so feeling. Well that's great and one thing i'd like to say is that i hope that you know in a year we might be able to circle back with you for a short interview and see where you are. Because i think there's gonna be some really really big changes great absolutely well. Thanks so much for for spending the time with with me and the listeners and viewers today This has been a just a terrific interview. A lot of great things to share and a really wish you and your team of the best as you move forward get some much. Everybody wins most important the patient because the explore platforms hell sure. The best practices are followed for the procedure. The hospital wins because they have reduced our time and costs. The medical device company wins because they are providing extra support for the procedure at hand. The sales rep wins because by directing the implementation of this technology. They look like the ultimate professional. Jennifer is leading a winning team and a winning platform. I can't wait to see where they are in a year. And do you remember the conversation. We had with stephanie. Merritt a couple of episodes ago. She was leading the entrepreneurship program at the university of california san francisco. She said that successful entrepreneurs typically have to give it somewhere in the early years of commercialization as they listened to the market explorer surgical. Did just that check the show notes for important links and if you like this podcast please rate recommended to a friend and or subscribe. Now go when your wings
Restart Your Heart with Dr. Aseem Desai
"Welcome to the Dave Thomas show the podcast fives restores and Awakens your innermost capability. You have the training and the talent to succeed but do you have the guts to fail I love what I do. We love what you do. You want to be the best at it today is about the power you you will change to. Find Your path to success through the journey of those who have succeeded and now your host Dave. pomme. Welcome welcome back the palm a show, and today I have a cardiac electrophysiology. or EP are holed up Orion a physician specializing in heart rhythm disorders. He has been caring for people with arterial fibrillation. Or. A F-. FEHB, for over seventeen years and county practices in Orange County California. He's also the author of the upcoming health and wellness book restart your heart the playbook for thrive with eighth FEHB. Available everywhere. Sure. Seem to say welcome to the Dave Palmer show. Thank you. SAY OR I. DECIDE DECI K sats it right and he was released. Yeah Nice Great Work Doing just just one thing I mentioned I. Dunno public too much I'm GonNa talk about a lot of various parts of my life of stress dramatic stress for Macho but not source of Aero. Chronic. And I do have a which already retired a little bit. She couple years earlier from our job medically was hot. Called Cardio Mafia own profit cardiomyopathy, which causes irregular heartbeat. So is kind kinda similar to what you're doing but I read it on what you're doing is very, quite serious sir. I mean if look Krona Boris I'm not real extreme high risk for obviously you know I'm not conditioned. Put you at risk. If you them advance what dating you dating with Mr Real real severe severe risk high risk of. Heart condition so. We'd like to really get talking about also you book your New Book. Restart your hearts, which I believe you launched yesterday is that right? Correct yeah. The September is National Eighth awareness months, and so that's why we chose to launch the book the first day of the month. Okay. Got It. Got It. Yeah. Excellent. How did the sorry? Why did you write this book now and what is a FEHB? That's a great question I. Just as an aside I actually take care of a fair number of patients with hyper of cardiomyopathy because there's a there's an overlap with electrical issues. That's what I am Cardi Cardiologists with specialty in Heart Rhythm Disorders. So now some of our. Some of our hypertrophic cardiomyopathy patients have a tube or need to have a defibrillator implanted. So all of that so I can appreciate a I can appreciate your story. On honestly, I wrote this Book Day as part of a grieving process two years ago my mom suddenly died and. Yeah it was a complete shock I've got a call in the middle of the night from Chicago area. Hospital. Ours living in California and she had a had a cardiac arrest and so everything just was a blur just went so fast. So when I came back I just needed some way of of processing that grief and that's why the introduction of the book I tell my own personal story going from my dad having a heart attack when I was very young to you know then he passed away as a result of heart disease and then my mom. So there was definitely this personal connection but the impetus. So that was sort of the initial reason for for writing a book. Wasn't sure what the topic was going be. Then one two years ago you off the among Pompilio. That's correct. This is I started I started writing the book probably about a year year and a half ago. So it was a little bit after she passed away. but but the the topic of eight was generated because one day I was walking out of at the office I was walking by one of my patients out of the office and he was a gentleman who had this condition and was told nothing could be done about it that he'd just live with it that it was too far progressed and nothing could be done and I took his case on. He was a challenging case I was able to cure him of it yet him back into a normal rhythm, normal electrical rhythm of the heart. So he turned to me as he walked out of the office and he thank you Dr Decide for for saving my life for. Me My life is growing. And and and I just thought to myself. You know because he had gone through seeing many different doctors that he's different specialists and I just thought to myself people need a handbook. You know when they get diagnosed with this disease disease really that is sort of an insider's guide start to finish. This is what you do when you get the diagnosis and I tried to approach it from a holistic integrative perspective because that's what I truly believe in is you have to treat the whole body. The mind body heart s you really help you know he wellness. So that was that was that's that's the long answer to your question I show you. And I'm actually A. I. Went into because I had a lot of issues around stresses well, which isn't good for the heart either. So see that's my body already and that can or a heart a heart attack just as much eating bad food. You know. So you to think that the mind stress management is just as important are saying you work around that. I'll start guiding because I used to be an athlete, a track and field athlete is eight hundred meter runner so. I know a lot about Cardiovascular conditioning stuff. CPR Job for as firefighters I needed. Really good. Fitness but when I was interested in coaching, obviously through some people go into coaching off the sports and the. unlocks At lied coaching and now a mindfulness. Just so I Would like some expertise here and look at more mind body fitness training. I, 'cause a connection. So. Yeah. I know the work you're doing is ran up we're gonNA talk about that as well. Yeah because I know that's in your book as well. You need book which is connected with the heart condition so What was your China Jason Ryan. This book. I think the biggest challenge was figuring out how to take the medical information and put it into everyday language young and the the audience of the book primarily. With people who have the disease, but honestly, the people who are at risk for the disease at some point in their life is a large population The top risk factors are age over sixty five. So. One in four people over age sixty, five, one in four people across the globe is at risk for the and. Just in general. Not necessarily or anything. Age It's at least you say try it it. We call it arthritis of the electrical system, get star tissue build up in your electrical your engine. So you have an electrical system you get just like you get scar tissue built built up in your knee, you get it in your heart and so yeah, and in fact, it's interesting. You mentioned athletes the person who who wrote the foreword to the Book David Baker he's the president and CEO of pro, Football Hall of fame in Canton Ohio Soda Yeah. Yeah, NFL NFL athletes, pro football athletes in their forties and fifties are at six times higher risk for rates. Right yeah, and we're seeing a lot more athletes getting fifth their specific reasons. I, talk about the book. So it's Not as well as common instance sportspeople as well. So absolutely, yeah. It'll be the crossovers similar similar reason, Brighton. Right, right? Yeah. That will make sense. So Yeah what did you? What did you become a doctor and when that's so highly specialized which ungrateful because obviously Kind of. You guys can. Say Yeah Yeah and it's funny. You know in terms of the high specialization. So as I mentioned, I'm a cardiologists, but I did this additional training in electrophysiology and. I have to be honest work considered the nerds of. Cardiology. Okay. So our partners you. KNOW WE WE ARE WE'RE SAVING were. Our partners are interventional cardiologists. They're the ones we call them the plumbers they're the ones who open up the blocked arteries who's from heart attack. I save people from cardiac arrest from electrical issues of the heart and Started when I was about three I, woke up in our neighbor's. House and found out that my dad had a heart. And my mom had taken the no the nights. I had no idea what was going on but I think you know at some subliminal level in my brain somewhere there was a you know registered. That's there is something going on with my dad and he was a on colleges and so as I as I grew up I, saw this this view of my father as both of physician in patient and it was a very different perspective than i. saw how he lived his life. He was terrified of having another heart attack he really live on his life. Not this full, you know embracing kind of life because he was so terrified of that harbor condition you and so I think that got me interested in the heart and then as I started going through early school and later in college, I just had this significant interest in science. So there was this intellectual component. There was personal component and then when I started doing my my post Grad medical training. I spent some time in the coronary care unit and that's where I got to see cardiologists save people's lives literally within seconds and the people who came in with a heart attack or cardiac arrest like I was able to see this omediate. Change in someone's life and bringing someone's father back and bringing someone's mother back literally dead and so. That was kind of the interest in cardiology. Then the specialty into electrophysiology really had to do with mentorship there I think a lot of things in our life I don't know about you but a lot of it has to do our choices have to do with the people we come across in the PB and take an interest in us, and you know in athletics, for example, or in medicine, and so there was it's one doctor on doctor who is one of my supervisors and he started talking to me about this topic of the heart's electrical system and I just found it fascinating and one of the things that we do. Is We apply a lot of logical reasoning when we're making diagnoses with like were were considering a group of possibilities and then we do different tests to rule things out enroll things in and it really Harkens back to my philosophy background I did a philosophy degree in college. So it's it's interesting politics degree. A little bit. Cheaper to listen. A little bit more conflicts involved. In philosophy there is too so yeah. Right. So. Yeah so you do the philosophy degree in. The time course, it's just interesting. There was this personal connection to heart disease. There was this interest in science. There was this philosophy component and then it moved into cardiology and it's all come full circle because I use really every aspect of it. The personal helps me be empathetic with my patients of philosophy helps me do really good deductive reasoning and making diagnoses, and then of course, the cardiology training is allowing me to deliver the character people so. Well. Just, of the game back talking about with FEHB. Becoming more more prone to people over the age of sixty, five ecorse that's GonNa. Get me more. I mean I'm I'm health conscious now anymore did actually help go a bit and I'll put on a lot way and see united you let things go sometimes. Happens to schools people some people broke it with their white when they leave their sport some ready. Now I'm back in shape but. You to be health conscious. So one of the things I would say as well other early signs of a fifth because something think people should be aware of, isn't it? Yeah absolutely and for your listeners you know this I mentioned the statistic of Sixty Five. That's one the. Goes up significantly his age sixty five but actually. One in four people over the age of forty. Some point in their life is GonNa get eight fifth. So one in four of your listeners one in four of your listeners over age forty will be getting a fifth. So it's absolutely important to know the signs and symptoms. So aided is a fast irregular heartbeat. So people will often feel the sensation of their heart racing their heart skipping young being titans. Yeah. Palpitations that's term we often will use. That's one symptom but a lot of time a actually has no heart symptoms and the only symptom. Yeah. The only symptom is feeling tired is feeling all seen. Yeah and. The reason I'm not saying it's the same current advisor be back. He could feel tidal. Yeah exactly. There's there's so many things that cause one to feel tired or not. The heart is an engine and so there's four chambers and the two top chambers are called the Adria and they contribute about thirty percent of the pump seem to the heart. So when the heart goes out of rhythm, when those a trio, those top chambers don't contract properly and that's what is. The results is an engine is a car engine that is not pumping as well. So when it doesn't pump as well throughout the entire body, you get these generalized symptoms of fatigue and even had people who are their main symptom was they felt depressed that you literally were not getting enough blood flow ranks. Oh we we tell people learn how to take your pulse, learn how to take your pulse either in your wrist or in your neck. You know those are the two main arteries and it should really be like a very regular heartbeat and now there are so many wearable devices apple. House oranges. Garbage an APP apple has it has a feature on the watch that allows you to actually record your heart rhythm and diagnoses olive and you you. You can even diagnose yourself. Okay. With an apple lot. Yeah. Yeah. So. There's a there's a lot out there but the primary symptoms for your listeners would be rap irregular heartbeat called palpitations, shortness of breath sometimes chest sometimes lightheadedness and sometimes overall fatigue. And, a primary risk factors. So for the people who really need to be paying close attention, it would be anyone who is overweight. Diabet- diabetes high blood, pressure, any kind of heart disease. Valvular cardiomyopathy and things like that, and then it turns out that alcohol is a is a very significant risk factor for eight fifth among large amounts of alcohol a on. Out Not Completely Socially, now, just purely special occasions. Right, right yeah. So in in the UK, as you know is a culture of drinking there and Unusual to have kind of end of week. Were worked drink. Any, excuse. Someone's both they will something say. It is something to be borne in mind isn't it? Really the house? We will go trunk into lifestyle somewhere along here because it is something that's important I could imagine. That can feminine principle a loved ones with A. You Know I. think that with any health condition, you need a a tribe you know you need a team, you need a group of personal family and friends, and then you need a healthcare team. So I think accountability is probably the biggest way that you know family and friends can support people meaning that it's really hard when you get a diagnosis to change your life to change your lifestyle your diet, you know everything to have to take a whole new set of medications I mean that's a challenge in and up itself a many of our patients are on blood thinners and that's not a lot of. Stuff. Well. Even stronger than aspirin because? Desi. Well actually, they're called anticoagulant. So that are also. Eloquence. Commercials on TV for that because the the primary worst thing that could happen with. A. Stroke Eight V is a big cause of stroke lie. So so to answer your question and family and friends I. Mean I, think in getting this book, restart your heart this is is designed for a variety of different people and that includes family and friends because it has information to help family and friends understand how they can help their loved one who has a in terms of whether it's anything from Diet and lifestyle recommendations to there's actually worksheets in the book that are questions that you can ask the doctor I have that in their So so there's a lot of resources in that regard. Fantastic. Fantastic. On this in your book and a Nasional, and as I said I, mentioned to you that if beginning to show too I, go into more into mindfulness many because of the stress and then when I retired the transition and the change, there was a stressing itself as well. An officer with the heart condition which are retired from Fisher freeing I went to Rehab Psychological coniston often we disa- mindfulness staff and knock on white back down site you know. Gained back some CON general fitness. But I'm not let's do sports have banned from doing is full say is the COMPLA- goal. So that's why I just do general keep in shape. What the see, you do a lot of work around lie Stalin the mindfulness can set us more about that. Yeah. Absolutely I imagine that was. That was very thought transition for you. You know being an athlete's up to help the shipped over to that and retired from the fire service really because it was a lot of the main. Kind of. stressor like yeah. Like they are you're in a fight or flight response all the time I mean you're you're having to get up immediately to go save someone's life and thank you for your service and doing. And you say we actually we actually have a number of firefighter patients because a lot of these patients are know big athletes and I mentioned at Leeds are now becoming more and more at Ritz rated as they get older So you know, I, think the mindfulness component you know mindfulness is really about three listeners It's really about becoming aware of your internal external world in a non judgmental fashion. It's really about developing awareness yet. So that can come in the form of meditation that can come in the form of physical exercise. You can be mindful when you're eating a sandwich you know and and you're tasting every aspect of it, and so how does that fit into what I do and and heart disease? Well there's a lot of studies that have shown the link between the brain and the heart, and so you know people who have had bypass surgery are at higher risk for depression, for example, But what we now know is that stress and emotional stress and mental stress and those types of things. Hand be triggers for heart issues and there is actually an article that showed that people who were. In burnout for their jobs. What I saw in about radio that goes count pretty much that really just. Yeah exactly you know the World Health Organization is recognized burn out as a legitimate like diagnosis when you you're just lose all the will to be in that job whatever it is. So so there was an article that actually showed that people who had burn out had an independent risk for a fifth. Separate from all the other risk factors we talked about, and that really illustrates the power of the mind over the heart and vice versa i. don't know if you're. Familiar with this, but there's the omic nervous system and the autonomic nervous. Yes. So that's the big part of connecting the brain to the heart with regards summer disease, and that's where mindfulness can really help. A. Con upon the central nervous system linking the Hawk brain together. Yes. So the not make nervous system is composed of the what's called the sympathetic, which is your fight or flight response when you're dealing with stress and your Peres sympathetic, which is your rest and relax it responsibly. Counterbalanced to it, and this nervous system is not just the brain and the heart it's connect to the system it's connected to everything. So it turns out that one of the reasons we think we're seeing athletes with ATEB is is that they're used to this fight or flight you know like a player is used to these sudden surges of adrenaline. Over time you know that's not good for that for the heart. So mindfulness actually has been shown to impact the autonomic nervous system. So there's a lot of studies that show that mindfulness can't and meditation can lower rate can lower blood pressure, and there's even studies that show that it can help the heart's rhythm. So in I speak from personal experience I I, went I was pretty close to job burnout myself. You know. Working really long hours when I picked up mindfulness and I talk about in the Bug A., I actually will do a five minute meditation before I do a heart procedure in Edsa made a world of difference in terms of like how Miami during the procedure so. it's a really powerful tool. Yeah. Yeah. As I said well, actually I did come across meditation when I was studying. Sports Coaching Staff Watterson an athlete, and I was in a fire service as well. So it's useful by really more to do with performance. Exposed performance and performance it Ray performance coaching. But then obviously now with post traumatic stress and the high levels leucine of at mindfulness came more of a Medi-. Kind of. Rehab Not Rehab you know it's becoming more and more mainstream. And Yoga. Here and I think. I think that you know a lot of people are quite mindfulness with just meditation and that's not true. You mentioned you know an athletics you know they talk about being in the zone. Now that flow state yes. That's Not. A state. Maintain that kind of thing that and that's just one aspect. Isn't it? Yeah. And so you know there's an APP that I use frequently called. Calm. Calm calm calm and Lebron James. The basketball player. He actually has a meditation on the APP that he does with people. He's on the yet he's on the APP. And he actually talks about this one game in Chicago against the Bulls in how was like at the last minute and there was all this pressure on him to make the shot and he talks about going into this flow state where he little he couldn't hear anything around it was like he was suspended and you know you're with this with the performance coaching plus right? Yeah Yeah. Wasn't also before we did my best performance ever you know I. Felt that. Flow state. An. Exactly. But some some athletes they get it and I don't realize what's going on. But if you study it lock, you started it with your work and you more now and you can actually train your mind more. To enhance you a bit more is so we get back to the of semi-finished for the Hong conditioning. The fact that you know there's a mind brain mind body connection that's will pa the Paris in Sin Sympathetic can. Simple take system breath. Yup. Yup. So yeah not not set makes sense. What do you think are the top free health challenges we face as a society? Well I. Think I mean obesity is not just widespread in the US it's widespread everywhere though I think and I think that strongly linked to food. So I think are also who come. To, our to our nutrition. I think there's a lot of perspectives on nutrition and Diet but I do believe that you know the consumption of animal products. It does have a lot of challenges. I mean it impacts our environment. It impacts you know our our bodies. It impacts our risk for cancer. You know. So there is this movement towards a consuming, less animal products really focusing more on fruits and vegetables, and that naturally helps your weight. So I think number one or one of the top challenges for our planet from a health standpoint is obesity and the issues with nutrition I think. Number two, it's probably number. One is actually what we talked about, which is stress I that mental and emotional stress we live in a society where we're interconnected connected to our phones were connected to our email and we don't even realize what negative impacted has been. There's all these studies about how social media has a significant impact on our teenagers and our young people in terms of the risk for suicide in restrict depression, and you know it's just it's pervasive. So I think technology and social media has helped in certain was, but it's definitely added to the stress. Levels that we have already and and how that's connected to burn out. You know there's such a focus for companies for example, on making you know being as productive as possible, and now with with Cova in this financial collapse that you see you know people are losing their businesses and that's adding a whole level of what is worse. You know we're seeing it. We're seeing it in heart disease. All of our patients are having more more problems right now. So that will knock people are dressy in only through stress and Oh yeah. Just simply being in front of food. And you can't fault people for that. I mean it's under it's understandable I. Think it's important for people you know when when people are realized that they're out of balance, you know they're not eating well, they're not exercising the most important thing is not to to get down on yourself about. Say Yeah it's GonNa make it worse. It's like you're adding insult to injury and so So I think that yeah to your point in alcohol consumption is like up thirty forty percent because of coke in it's it's understandable. You know. So so you asked about the top three health problems so I would say obesity I would say stress and I think. I don't know if you'd call it a health problem, but I do is disconnection I you're completely disconnected from each other now even though we're such connected society, I think things like social media. Example it has its role, but there's created a lot of division I mean we're seeing it right now. Right? We're seeing it in the US, we're seeing it across the world this and in fact, The VAC ready or Vivek murthy excuse me the Vet Dr Vivek Murthy he is the former surgeon general of the United States is the nineteenth surgeon general and he just came out with a book recently and it's all about how it it's. It's all about connection in isolation and how many of us are living in isolation and how we really need to, and he talks about I've heard him lecture about that. One of the number one health problems is isolation. Is Isolation, can imagine in and depression so those would be my top three. Yeah, and in actual fact, this quite relevant what's going on with the chronic marriage with social scene and? And people like connection that really are is actually quite healthy. Br brings in your Tyson and Endorphin feel-good factors and just so. You know we were built that way you hear. That, all the time you think of it from a survival SAM point right? So if you were a prehistoric caveman. And you had an option of eating part of tried versus going out on your own. You're much more likely to be eaten by a Trans Source Rex. Series Tiger. On. Part of. The Way Self isn't it? Yes, ought wouldn't be as. A team and you wouldn't be really although you can work on your own, but you need to team as well. Done I need a team I associate team. So these these these. kind of issues but even from a social point of view, we can see this now with. The. The world is one big con of The where you can now see what's happening with the well interns that shows you disconnection and all these issues, health issues, juice, a pandemic, ready and the. Dave. That's such. A great word actually I have to I have to use that. The world is one big laboratory right? It's always it's always been an experiment, but we really seen our. Step by step forward from Shakespeare's the world is one big stage. Which is true. Well, actually. Step out your doorstep. On Big City isn't. Reality Reality but yeah, now is true though is at the moment library isn't it? Really? Focused as appropriate has more. Profitable. The political demonstration that's Palm Paso anyway with the stresses well as induced not that as well. So We don't WANNA go into those issues because we're going to veer off what your books about you know in and we don't go back because that can be connected. We've had a few people to go out on the show. Although if you WANNA put in a word about that, you can because of see that party impacts patients as you as you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. I think that you know many people are aware of some of the studies now that showed that a very high percentage of people who had co bid actually have evidence of heart inflammation on heart. MRI Scans. So covert is definitely affecting the heart. It's affecting the hearts rehearsing a lot of patients get rhythm issues as a result of code. So it is a virus that stocking all aspects of the body The other aspect from physician stamp point that covert has impacted is telemedicine so we are doing more and more. Telemedicine as a result of Kobe and it's added in in some ways, it's actually connected us to our patients much more. Believe believe it or not in in in what I do so many of our patients and who have heart rhythm. MISHA's have various kinds of devices that are implanted. They have pacemakers defibrillators. Yeah. We have a we have a special little heart monitor that's about the size of a matchstick that goes under the skin. It's only job is to monitor your heart's rhythm. It's like having garment or. Having an Apple Watch your skin and it actually mantras heart rhythm. But what it allows us to do is is we don't have to see her a patients in person we do a telemedicine visit and Rican know exactly what's going on with their heart but Co. plugging detente the Beta you can only from the shape whatever is examined deadly. So what Kobe has done is it as accelerated the technology? Healthcare of healthcare and you know just like things I zoomed that we're on right. or working from the Russian site, it's actually a big help. In from things more productive and quicker. Why wait for up I mean physically when you can just be bang there straightaway with Brian about the bus, the train or You know I I think that you know we talked about the team concept and connection and I talked about in the book I mean when it comes to heart disease, there's a lot of studies that have shown that the more isolated you are the greater, your heart attack, the greater, your risk for cardiac arrest, and you know it's important when you have heart disease when you have atrial fibrillation when you have cardiomyopathy or whatever you have. Or cancer to have a team, you know to have a team of Pierre that hold you accountable that those days where you feel like you just don't feel like you feel like giving up or you feel not taking your medication or you are so frustrated that you have those people that are supporting you you the wind. Well. Do that my wife does it my dog doesn't. Go. They used to have a cat. That does that any. Year. Old Son definitely does. Just. Doing this. Yeah. She does stunt anyway. Let's talk. But yeah, you do need to tell you anyway and does work. Academy. Before we go, I mentioned, I was an athlete I lost my fitness bit when I start and it does happen and enough got back now I in fact, journal lockdown lots of good things about to me. So my podcast and everything else I'm doing that she increase you know everything's got big for me in an unmarked fitness such got bat remind eastern habits as opposed to the other way ran it can go the other way round. But what do you do in terms of your Diet and exercise regimen? How'd you maintain the healthy resilience to stress? Yet I think of a toolbox. So might toolbox is first thing I get up in the morning I have a spiritual practice just for a few minutes you know I I do a little prayer and then I do a mindfulness section at ten minutes the session with the call now and then I go out for a jog go up for a run and. It's not very long and then another important part is connection. So part of my daily ritual is really to try to be connected to people somehow in. Prison. It's hard at them. And then nutrition is a big part were joined to you know my wife and I are trying to go plant based, for example. So I think that if they just think of their mind and their body, you know it in terms of of the daily health ritual and take care of both you know your mind and your body. That's the best way to do it. You know. definitely, you know to switch gears for just a moment as I wanna make sure your listeners I can deliver some take home points for them on on this condition of a FIB. So. So just a couple of key points, atrial fibrillation or eight hundred is the most common heart rhythm disorder worldwide affecting one out of four people over age forty. It is one of the primary causes of stroke and congestive heart failure unit is very progressive disease. So as you have more and more episodes, the disease progresses in the treatment becomes less effective. So it is electrical cancer you need to detect it early, you need to intervene early and as you and I talked about Dave with any health condition, we need to have a mind body integrative approach which includes. Stress Management as a big stress management stress management and Diet good exercise just good lifestyle if you can't write by have fun we discuss. Much, easier said than done on the most important I think most important thing is to forgive yourself when you slip if you have a cheap day, if you don't exercise for two we I mean you WanNa try to be consistent but were humans and code in the pandemic. It's a lot of stress. So but once you once you start once your body and your mind starts tasting that feeling of going for a jog or eating a healthy meal and you you realized that you get those endorphins and you feel better that nifty comes and upward positive spiral. Yeah. A, son sunny some things on our borders well, and not to have it more deeper. Dive into your your book as well. So unfamiliar with some of the chances in start almost gaining grossed in chapters because my own experiential. but we've restart your heart. It was launched yesterday or what we got coming up with a book always difficult obviously with the lockdown restrictions to to a full bookstore but. Yeah Yeah, we have a lot of options. So Online, we have a lot of free giveaways The good reads giveaway people can actually can actually win a copy of the book They just have to enter this this website We are doing several different podcasts and then I'm doing a lot on social media. So so I am very easy to find on social media on all the channels instagram, facebook linked and twitter. Youtube I, have my own youtube channel I'll. Quit Yeah you call patient all case study in your main. Start listening to something else you do one of your videos very as I said, I started really getting deep into it. So is something that's kept away. So please please do check out up to us as a synthesizer. Yeah. So yeah, for your listeners I'm very easy to find its at Dr Assumed. This is so D. R. A. S. E. N. D. E.. S. At. Doctrine decide that's my handle for all my social media and my website which is doctors seemed to decide dot com has tons of information all the things that David I talked about today. So Yep and more, and so and and probably the most important thing for me is I love feedback Sto Dave I would love your feedback on the book your. Check out the website of checks at the Mojo I'd love I'd love your feedback because I think knowing what works for people and what People WanNa hear more about will just help me deliver that information to people. You know what they need a screen. Absolutely you got it. There I suddenly will wants to get set up on the Book and a few of your social media drop you Becca Lynam show and happy back on his show actually because I'm sure all these lifestyle issues are connective in different areas. So we can can back into certain topics. But I love to. Do I, know I think you had a podcast August I on mindfulness. That I was looking at. A few on mind for this and mindfulness. So Yeah I. Love That I. Love. What you what you're doing wasting with your program. Yeah. Well Yeah. I'm GONNA also put your website us or you're a link to you on the show notes anyone listening. You can also go down if you didn't get a website and click around that stranger dot so. Assume decided to work there from there but Dr. Desai thanks very much for coming to show in sharing this. Very important. Issue and I'm sure he's very important now as well for people should be aware of this any way to healthy general yet as well. My pleasure Dave thanks for having me. You Welcome. Okay. 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Zuck cancels his Libra moon-landing AMC theaters expiration date. Gileads corona-cure bet. Facebooks cryptocurrency 180.
"Nick this Jack and this is next daily it is Monday. Welcome back April Twentieth Jack. What's going on this? Snacks is packed with protein fiber and all the nutrients you need. This is goodwill of one to ten ten being teaboy zero being. We shouldn't have done this and recording all ten. This is a teaboy. It's the best one yet. I'm getting to the first story please. The name Gilliat freaks out fans of the handmaid's tale. It's horrible fictional dystopia and it is a real life pharmaceutical company on the farm side of things. One of their drugs is seeing rapid recovery with Cova one thousand. Nine patients market surged Friday on this glimmer of hope. Jack and I took it out of the oven. We're tossing a little bit of context on this thing. Sounds good our second story. Amc movie theaters. It isn't launching a delivery service for twenty eight dollar popcorn in boxes of Mike and nope but it does apparently have plenty cash. They love bragging about that thing right. V Movie Theater Chain. Just got a five hundred million dollar loan. That should last them through thanksgiving. That means Jack and I are talking about corona economy expiration dates third and final story. Facebook was pursuing the most ambitious project of the next decade. We're talking libra. The futuristic global money currency stabile coined but facebook just sadly and inevitably announced a massive downgrade of Lebron's goals snacker think less bitcoin more like pay POW actually more like paper money kind of issue before we get into that. We're all kind of whipping on the apron and feeling like chef boyardee and the kitchen. These days aren't renewed. Yeah you can't help it these days you look at the Tomato Cain assortment in your house. It's like a rainbow. What have you got going on up there? Every time I go to the grocery store I get like seven. Different types of canned tomatoes pealed dice. Salted unsalted fancy lowering. Got a little piece of land that we're like parenting like a baby trying to get it to grow in the window over here. True story haven't used one of those cans of tomato. It's just an peace of mind knowing they're out there but Jack I noticed something else. That's going on right now while you're cooking more at home. Big Food wants to help you out. Let's kick it off with Disney. It knows that its theme. Parks are closed. So it's whipping up. Its recipes from its favorite cuisine. That you could try out on your kitchen. Get this splurge in your mouth. Unlike the toy story land grilled cheese. We know what's in it now. Spoiler four different types of cheeses and two teaspoons of heavy cream. Don't check the cholesterol. The nutrition facts. A real shocker. Was that it was not the reverse and twelve cups of cream also about magical cookie fries. Which sounds like it's coming from buzz? Lightyears PLANET TURNS OUT. Mickey is like a Vegan in this situation. Those are plant based Disney has those recipes available online. If you want to check him out and let's say you're dying for a shake Shack Burger but you can't visit a shake shack because if they're all pretty much closed down right now to actually enter. They've partnered with some sort of fancy delivery company. Nick was just tell me about. It's called gold belly and they will send you all the ingredients to make your own shack birth you become like a diy shake shack franchisee. This thing's got eight packs of Pat La Freda Beef Martin's potato rolls and then to top it all off the seeker checks. You line up the whole family like the von Trapp family and you become a meat assembly line whipping up your call and how much you pay 'em in the meantime we're GonNa hit are three stories daily. We gotTa get a Snack Foods Candy. They don't reflect the views of robinhood family stolen recommending any securities. It's not a research report or investment advice. Natta offer or sale of securities backed digestive business news video financial LLC member FINRA S. P C Four. Our FIRST STORY. Gilead treatment for a cove. Nineteen is showing some extremely encouraging results out of nowhere markets. Got Very excited on Friday about the potential for covert nineteen treatment and we got to throw a little discussion here. Jack knifed or not doctors. We're not PhD's nor do we come from families of doctors which all doctors seemed to come from. That's very true neck. I also didn't spend seven years trying to become a medical doctor. You become a doctor because your parents are becoming an that's true now the story here with Gilead it begins in Chicago. Which is the setting where eighteen thousand people have been confirmed with covert nineteen infections and then jacket I noticed this thing played out like Like a screenplay screenplay the scene this scene the opening senior is one hospital the University of Chicago Hospital which is trying out a drug to treat cove in nineteen the star of the screenplay is remm desert drug made by Gilead pharmaceutical a publicly traded company. We're thinking like Brad Pitt meets Julia Roberts. Kind of a thing and the plot is one hundred twenty five patients who were invited to try reservoir at this hospital and of those one hundred twenty five patients who have covert nineteen hundred and thirteen of them are showing severe symptom. So this is serious. That's the Brad Pitt. Inspired very early climax to story on Thursday a professor updated the hospital that trial results there in a health and science news company called Stat. Got a copy of that update which actually took place in like zoom meeting so somebody recorded the video and stack gotTa Tans on it and thank you for reporting if you're curious about stat esta and like all science journals. It is absolutely an acronym. Here's the takeaway. Only two of the one hundred twenty. Five patients died of covert nineteen and most have already been discharged after recovering. Thanks to this treatment. In fact more specifically most patients went home after just like six days a treatment. That sounds pretty good. It sounds incredible. Covert nineteen cases in the United States. So far as of Friday have a death rate of four point nine percent but get this knacker's when it came to this medication at this Chicago Hospital. The death rate was just one point. Six percent even more impressive because ninety percent of the people who was given to had severe symptoms which is like really bad. Now if you're like celebrating right now and you seem very excited. You're not nearly as excited as Wall Street was on Friday Thursday night. Our APPS blew up with notification even though the medical experts are cautioning against like taking too much from this market started rising on Thursday night all the way into the weekend the Dow ended up jumping seven hundred points on Friday. Now Gilead the creator of this star drug tempered enthusiasm and said more studies and rigors trials are needed before we can like start to celebrate back it up back it. Unsurprisingly Wall Street ignored that advice and shop stock up by ten percent on Friday. So Jack what's the takeaway for our buddies over Gilliat? There is a three part medical cure for the corona economists knackers the Economy Linden. It won't return to normal until we can all be confident that interacting with people won't end up getting other people killed the first part of the medical care to get things back to normal more tests so people can be sure that they won't infect others when you're going outside and have dinner. You wanted to do the second. Part of the cure is a treatment like rim desert could be so that if you do get infected you could get better and go home and then the third part is a vaccine so that nobody gets infected in the first place vaccine is the one that probably furthest away. Treatment is a little closer and more tests. We should be doing now but this news on Gilead made investors really bullish on number two the treatment for our second story. Amc's movie theaters. The stock surged thirty one percent on Friday. Well it kind of five hundred million dollar bailout and not from the government. That's probably why basically the movie industry's been stuck watching like saw three silence of the lambs. Al Of the entire twilight saga thrown into that. It's been covering up. It's is like not wanting to see what comes next and snacker. That's because movie theaters aren't just closed. Amc's movie theaters are absurdly close to bankruptcy. The company has literally been making zero dollars of revenues for like a month. Now also they furloughed their entire six hundred person staff and get this that includes the CEO and with all of its theaters. Nationwide shutdown. Currently the stock had plummeted. Eighty seven percent in the past year coming into Friday. But then Jack and I were trying to decide what we're going to watch this weekend because you know that's pretty much all you can do after seven pm these days and we notice that ham see had to really nice things happen to it last week on. Thursday president trump issued federal guidance for all the governors of these great fifty states on how and when to reopen their economy. Apparently they can be three phases of opening and phase. One shockingly include cinemas. I could not believe that like the next phase of opening up involves going into a confined room with like fifty other people. Carol did you see this start. Melting the butter now. F why Federal Guidance says strict physical distancing must occur in the movie theaters for them to open up at all. You're basically be encouraged to go in bring three coats and throw them on the seat surrounding. That's actually the polite thing to do in this case. I'm sorry. My friend is in the bathroom. You actually just. You can't set phase. Two of the Federal Guidance was movie theaters can be open with moderate social distancing which is less severe than strict social distance at probably only need like one. See between you and that other random person maybe not two or three and then phase. Three is unrestricted movie theater. The rope and let's go get in there. Make out if you WANNA French. Kiss doesn't matter as much as you WANNA do. Sharon stras bring your own straws. Whatever you want. That was the first thing that was fun for. Amc last week. The second thing we noticed was that ham see announced has a new five hundred million dollars in cash. And that cash. Didn't come from tax payers like you last week with airline. It came from a debt financing basically AMC issued a lot of bonds to a specific group of private investor and then the company said they have enough cash with at new five hundred million. That could last till Thanksgiving with the theaters remaining closed. That's right this Thanksgiving. So Jack what's the takeaway for our buddies maybe smooching over to MC each shutdown business right now has its own corona economy expiration dates knackers last week analysts. Predicting that movie theaters could come back by like as early as mid June and AMC just said that it can survive. Shut down through Thanksgiving with the Cash Guy Jack and I are calling that the unofficial expiration date for AMC which is Thanksgiving if the economy opens before Thanksgiving AMC will likely survived but if economy opens after that. It's probably going to rant a money and then it would go through bankruptcy on news of this from. Amc Live nation in different company in the concert. Business rose six percent. Boom Disney theme parks. The stock jumped three percent dart in the owner of olive garden. Rose eight percent. All of these companies bounced higher. Because they're like in these encouraging signs that people could get back together this year hopefully before their expiration date snacker. If you're on a snack challenge. We're a little past halfway done Jack. I feel like you deserve a water. You can run back. You can jog back. You can bike back and then have a few walk it out. Walk it out for our third and final story remember facebook's like big changed the World Lieber cryptocurrency things. Yeah I do but that project just got a huge lead downgraded snacker. They wanted to put a man on the moon over at facebook ended up in Nova Scotia. Zak ordered a filet Mignon. The waiter brought out frozen. Bean Burger hot pockets. And guess what zonked uneven send it back just finished the dam project. I'll just devour the facebooks. Lieber project was the most refreshingly ambitious thing of the next decade snacker think about this a single global crypto currency open for everyone and its name was libra when we covered this announcement nine months ago. We thought anyone can pay for anything in any country without any fees. All digital a lot of lot of every is very few fees. Sounds pretty incredible. Here's the thing though. Mark Zuckerberg needed Congress's blessing so he cut his area anti traveled over to Washington. Dc and congress was like succulent great. Love we could do and keep it up. You'll clean but we do not approve of this financial union. You're putting out. We're really not into this. And it's understandable why it felt like one man would be running the global financial system A.K.A. Earth's money sucks. We're supposed to be like complementary all the currencies in the world right now kinda seemed a little competitive and then the fallout continued. Eight companies that sat within the JED eye counsel Libra Council quit. They're like I'm out of here. I don't even want to be associated with this project. This was like supposed to be an independent group overseeing the currency based in Switzerland void out. Everything's a little bit neutral except for the milk. Chocolate maize windows like the only one still on that council. So here is the news that Jack and I noticed. Go into the weekend. The head of Libra. Guinan David. Marcus sent out eight tweet. Updates on what's going on with Zak coin and it wasn't pretty it turns out they're changing slash deleting the most important and fundamental part of the Lieber cryptocurrency no more global currency independent of euros or dollars Iran Array. I again not the case. You pretty much got to delete the word global because there's simply going to be a digital money tied to a local currency like the US dollar. That will work in a facebook account within the United States for that dollar example. Right so jack and are looking through these eight tweets from one man which sounds like not that many but it was actually a lot. And we're thinking you know what Lebron just basically sounds like your then mo account you don't need eight tweets to say libra is now pretty much en masse. So Jack what's the takeaway for our Buddies Lebron over at facebook? The idea was right. But the inventor was wrong snacker facebook's privacy scandals the whole misinformation enabling thing that hasn't really hurt its growth or profit. No shockingly facebook. Stock is still very high. Despite all the scandals but it has absolutely hurt facebook's credibility and its ambitions like libra and more about this great project that came out in two thousand nineteen. It's called the facebook portal a video piece of hardware to let you connect with friends in a video chat and it will track you around the room. While you're cooking up that chef boyardee that piece of hardware came out last year and sounds like it would be absolutely perfect for the moment. We're living in. We're we're all quarantine. Facebook PORTAL SHOULD BE THRIVING. Right now except. Do you know anyone who has won. Because we'll let you answer it. No the answer is no. Nobody has a facebook portal. I personally have never seen one. Don't even know what it looks like. It feels like some kind of mystical thing from like a Narnia books. Facebook portal could have been incredibly useful for society similarly libra could've empowered everyone on the planet with a digital wallet and your facebook account. Libra would have been a simple and profound creation. But no one trusts the creator. Jack and you'll whip up the takeaways forced to start the week please. Gillian Pharmaceuticals has a drug. That could be a treatment for covert nineteen and that treatment is one important part of a three part cure for the economic. Exactly our second story. Amc theaters has just about enough money to survive through Thanksgiving circle counters that is AMC's unofficial expiration date so pitas are open before the third and final story. Facebook has decided that Lebron can't be a global cryptocurrency anymore Zack's go with national currencies instead. Looks more like Van. Mo- in the FACEBOOK APP or Connor. Right now snack. He won the filet Mignon. He's get map. Pocket really downgraded that being Burger over there Jack Snack. This one is actually from US. Weird submission we were doing the research for the Gilead Pharmaceutical thing and we noticed that bill and Melinda Gates at the Gate Foundation. They are building factories right now to prepare developing a vaccine for cove in nineteen. That doesn't even exist yet. Not even like one victory or two factories like a shed outside of factory. We're talking seven different factories for seven different potential vaccines. That aren't even done yet. There are seven vaccine candidates that the gates foundation's like we should be ready in case these workout. So they're spending billions of dollars and they're only gonNA pick like one or two of the factories anyway. Bill and Melinda in the meantime AIRBNB. Those things could be fantastic venues smackers. We cannot wait to start the week with you. Look Fantastic Jack. What are we gonNA do with tomatoes? I need some creamy tomato bisque or something man. I don't know you got the dice to got the slides. You've got the punish to got pummeled. It's a long list appealed to get done. Why so many options? We'll see you guys tomorrow by the way this is nick and I still want one. Bitcoin its name is Ben the Robin Hood Snacks podcast. You just heard reflects the opinions of only the hosts who are associated persons of Robinhood Financial Llc and does not reflect the views of robinhood markets inc or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. The podcast is for informational purposes. Only is not intended to serve as a recommendation to buy or sell any security and is not an offer or sale of a security. The podcast is also a research report and is not intended to serve as the basis of any investment decision Robin Hood Financial LLC member Finra as IPC.
A tale of 2 Remdesivir trials Raytheons nuclear-tipped missiles. Unilever is an economic mirror. Gileads 2nd COVID trial.
"This is nick this Jack and this is snacks daily. It is Friday April twenty four. I gotTa feel them. This is the best one yet but nick. Have you ever had a product that is too good at what it does? It's so aggressive this one actually. I was broke snacks. Daily today by Japanese made thermos the Zo Girotti thing. I got your show. Good not just my whole mouth. It was like one. Hundred heated melted his tongues. Why are you doing this weekend? By the way noth- doesn't matter saying his last week. So what's our first story? Maryland does crabcakes. Theon does nuclear tip stealth cruise missile a freaky contracts for nuclear bazookas from the United States. Air Force is a window into the defense industry. And it's a perfect moment for us to talk about the big D Jack where we got. We're not talking defense. We're talking debt government debt. Second Story for the teaboy. Odds are a unilever. Product is on or in your body right now. She Act the armpits. It's probably there. It's under their hidden. It's somewhere in the international conglomerate known as Unilever makes everything from dod into Manny's and it's a snapshot for the World's consumer habits. It's also a mirror. Reflection a window embodiment. We couldn't figure out what to go with on this one. They also made the tea that just destroyed my face. Its earnings report. Showed some hilarious changes. That are going on with everything. You're consuming right now. For Our third and final story we began this week talking about how Gilead Pharmaceuticals popped markets with hope for a new Kovic. Nineteen drug that hope. Just got stomped away like vader on Luke and now we got another day another. Rendez aveer study that reads like a movie screenplay episode for a new. Hope if you know you know before we get to that. Snacks madness brackets are complete their snipping down the basketball net. We have a champion. The March madness style tournament of profit. Puppies is over. It was also the first one so it's sad that it's the greatest profit puppy the winner of snacks madness. I feel like we should build this up. It's Tesla's model. Three which beat COSCO's annual membership. It was Ilan versus a giant six gallon. Tub Vanilla extract. This thing was so intense we destruction how to honestly almost may the shocker. We've got some fans of Tesla on this podcast. So we're not surprised. They won the twitter poll that decided the champ model. Three was a refreshingly ambitious project a cool electric car that pretty much. Anyone could by thirty five thousand bucks. It was the most unaffordable thing labeled affordable that we've ever seen they need to get out the model three point two when we can actually buy this. No bonus for nick and may was we loved interacting with you on Social Media Knicks at twitter beast. I was deepened instagram. Dm's we're actually the ones responding to you. When you hit us up at Robinson you can follow us at teaboy. Jack and Nick of New York people see is tweeting from this day. Still don't know which one of US switch speaking of connecting on social media one of today's stories about Raytheon the defense company. That was a suggestion. We received an instagram direct message from Ryan Paren- from Miami Florida smackers. Hit US up on social. We love when you share your snacks with us and we love when you share your snacks. With their bodies are three stories daily. Spoke about the Hamre food is KABC. They don't reflect the views. Raba her family install informational. Just so no we're not recommending any securities. It's not a research report or investment advice to offer or sale of security snacks digestible business. News video financial. Llc member FINRA SIPC for our first story Raytheon just got an air force contract for a new stealthy nuclear tipped cruise missile. This thing is this coming large. Even look it's huge. We are talking about the defense industry. And how different ones are faring differently in the Korean economy? Now this isn't like the cruise missiles you grew up with you saw. They look like a submarine with some kind of a fish tail. Now no no no. I went into a deep youtube binge. Nick snacker Jack jumped snacks. You went down to DC gotta pass you gotTa Code. He was able to ship these nuclear tipped cruise missiles. They sit in the belly of a B. Fifty two bomber which is gigantic then thing opens up its belly the missile drops out and then it like starts flying itself like a mini airplane faster than the planet just fell out. It's an insane. Birthing process sounds like Christopher Nolan Design. This thing machine within a machine with a machine and Raytheon just got like the multi million probably multibillion dollar deal to make the next generation in the meantime Jack was down in. Dc for fifteen minutes. We got Raytheon to spit in a tube. Send IT OFF TO ANCESTRY DOT COM turns out. Raytheon's mom is Jane and it's dad is a flight attendant. Raytheon is one of the three defense giant surviving in the post. Cold War America. All right you also got Lockheed Martin Northrop Grumman and that's the big three. It's like Bob Your Brian Leetch and Ray Bork. Now it's got a military business which is actually doing okay during this crisis not too shabby that includes the your casual stealth nuclear tipped cruise missile deals. It's also as a civilian business which is commercial airplanes it makes engines seats liferafts de Icing things and the air vents. That are in like the seven thirty seven year flying. You can see where we're going with this typically or those for the planes that we'd all be flying but none of those are happening right now and despite the nuclear bazooka deal that it just announced from the US Air Force Raytheon stock is down sixty percent since February because of that weakness in the Commercial Airplane Business C. Three we just sunk the battleship for these guys. Now the other defense company were comparing this to yes. Lockheed Martin which is born and raised on a military base went to West Point for college in its favour color is camouflage F. Thirty five's and missile defense is it's bread butter and meat and potatoes. The headquarters of Lockheed Martin is a bow and Arrow shot away from the Pentagon it is on call in case Donald Brownfield gives them a cop lockyer like still texting. Rumsfeld in Con- you're like. Hey can you buy something you want to buy something? What can we put you in today? The C. E. O. Lockheed Martin Buck to a trend this week by confirming the company's Twenty Twenty Revenue Goals Lettuce. Repeat that they confirmed that they have revenue goals this year and that they are unchanged everyone else is completely canceling their twenty twenty plans because those plans were made before the global pandemic and everything has changed lucky though is resolutely are refusing to take any excuse they still think they're prophets were. This year are unaffected. Even though no one is doing anything. Teacher basically announced the students. We have an exam coming up. It's GonNa be hard. That's why I'm letting you take home. Yes the weekend open book referred to your friends check the Internet. Whatever you want just finished the tests lock. He's like no. I'm in the classroom. I bought a TI eighty three. Get a few more proctors in here. Asep Lockheed Martin is really making it harder on themselves than they need to in the meantime military spending. It's been unaffected so far and the Lockheed Martin stocks only down twelve percent since the whole crisis started. That's because pretty much. All it does is military defense sales. Also we found this kind of fun and extremely intimidating fact. Care to share Jack. Twenty percent of Lockheed Martin's business is government. Classified workers aren't allowed to like zoom in from home. When they're working on these projects they can only do it in their secure building right. Because when you're zooming China's probably zooming in with you. So Jack what's the takeaway for our buddies over at Raytheon? Can we finally talk nick about government debt during the corona? I was like wondering what was going to take so long to ask this. Lockheed Martin and Raytheon Northrop Grumman. They all depend on the US Department of Defense and they depend on spending from foreign departments of defense except from Russia. They make their own tanks. They don't buy from American Arms Company in Russia. The tanks make you the federal government deficit though it already had ballooned under president trump doubling annually to about a trillion dollars a year debt that we're adding to our debt pile and with the current economy crisis going on right now. That's probably reached up to three trillion dollars as the deficit in a single year when governments take on enormous amounts of debt. Like we are right now. And most of the other countries of the world they might want to tighten their belts in the future by reducing defense spending. Which would be bad for these. Three defense companies would probably be good for peace globally instability. Yes it would four. Our second story Unilever's earnings report. It's a it's a mere into your life is a window into your soul. Also Jack and I pulled this thing up. It is the most artistic earnings report we have ever seen. I'm thinking about stealing the Color Palette for my future home whenever I actually own a home. Whenever artist is whipping this thing up is probably the thing. Go to the Harry Potter illustrations. They got the same whimsical vibe. Going on it's a European thing. You should check out this deck. We'LL TWEET IT OUT. Snacker now some companies give you a taste of an industry. Think about yum brands they own KFC Taco Bell and Pizza Hut if you know yum brands you know what's going on. In fast food other companies can give you a reflection of an entire economy. Can I just love this stat? Ninety percent of Americans live within ten miles of a wal-mart which sells everything. So if you know what Walmart's doing you kind of what the American economy's doing unil- ever on the other hand is bigger in scope. It is a mirror into the world of retail spending. They've had to buy those little folder for passports. This company is dual headquartered in London and Rotterdam Rotterdam what is Rotterdam just like an Amsterdam cousin. No one really knows what it sounds like. An off breed rottweiler. But I don't think it is. It's like the Narnia Holland. The diversity you will find you'll ever sales. Seventy percent are outside of North America in South America. They're all over the world and then don't forget about unil- ever size. They did thirteen point. Four billion dollars in sales last quarter which is about one half lifts also make like everything from Helmand manifested Dove Body Wash dollarshaveclub shave club to cue tips and Lipton ICED tea. That just destroyed by Tom. There are five cents is on your body. Guaranteed one two. Three of them are touching something that was made by Unilever today. So you'll ever earnings report was fascinating because they reveal how work from home which is happening. Globally is shifting the world's buying and usage habit. And then what we was extra fascinating was how they break down. What's being hoarded right now? And what's actually being used? Let's start with shampoo. That's a whole division at Unilever. What they told us is that shampoos. What they told us is that shampoo sales are up. People are calling it but they're using it less deodorant sales same thing it is being hoarded aggressively. But it's being used barely. In fact they went into detail about how little it's being used. Take personal care. Products for instance like Shampoo Deodorant. We are buying a lot more vet. Because we're all like hoarding and filling up our pantry. But we're using personal products on average eleven times fewer per week which is Kinda Gross. Let that sink in. That means three. Fewer Deodorant swipes a couple less conditions. And let's be honest Wednesdays or no Shampoo Wednesdays. I mean no one can smell you. Zoom in the meantime. There's another funny thing. Is You get to know about Unilever? It is. The world's biggest ice cream visit has a lift worth of sales every year in the brands like Magnum yet. Briers Ondeck popsicle and Vermont Favorite Ben. And Jerry's you can throw anything into a ben and Jerry's it's not gonna be as good as just Ben and Jerry's interesting insight about ice cream. Sales about half of them occur at grocery stores but the other half occur on site in like a scoop truck by Venice beach. And that's kind of problem because right now you're getting none of that scoop truck by Venice beach. So there's a cease Afaq sales at grocery stores are up but sales outside of grocery stores aren't happening period. So Jack what's the takeaway for our buddies over Unilever in Rotterdam half the time? There's a big pivot in retail for this crisis and is cutting out the middleman. Move over Harry's and Casper there's a middle aged Dutch guy who wants to go direct to consumer over here today. Big Old Unilever relies on retailers like Walmart to actually sell the products that it produces and the krone. Economy is showing unil- ever that it can successfully cut out that middleman. Nick and I found this one shocking. Apparently six percent of Unilever sales or online at like Unilever Dot Com. Whoever's buying shampoo you'll ever dot com revlon but online sales for Unilever jumped by thirty six percent last quarter that's direct sales to you from looney. Unilever. They want you buying up treasuries cup a soup on their websites. That's right Unilever wants you buying from Unilever dot com instead of Amazon dot com snacks challenge. Update were little over halfway done. So if you're running a loop just keep running. Can you'll get all of. It always works for our third and final story. Gilead got everyone excited to start the week but then a new report made everyone very sad. Carolina feels like the classic throwback entourage episodes on this video. Doing the movie got hurt. He's not doing the move on Friday last week. The University of Chicago Hospital was hopeful about this drug called Rim desert. Yeah interesting name very confusing. Sounds like it's made by Unilever but it's actually produced by Gilead Pharmaceuticals and was really effective in treating like one hundred twenty five Kobe. Nineteen patient. Could this be the one? Could this be Kiana? Is it red pill or blue pill? They're like oh it's both Pales Kia. Investors wondered if this could be the one that helps us end this cove nineteen crisis although Gilead and like a bunch of science experts. Who Poke the brakes on this one guys? Don't get too excited. We're in early stages on this thing and then Wall Street got too excited. Excited actually surged after. This early report gave hope to investors that this could eventually fix crisis and reopened the economy. That was way too overly optimistic. The news from yesterday another more robust clinical trial for Rendez aveer shows. It's actually not that effective cure and covert nineteen and just like. We told you on Monday. This is also playing out just like a screenplay. It is a tale of two clinical drug trials. This Chicago trial was a small data. Set One hundred twenty five patients. Isn't that many and on Thursday? Somebody accidentally published an early report on a bigger and better study. That was way more relevant than that. I won't rewind to January when the covert nineteen outbreak was like devastating China. Gilead recognized an opportunity to test rim desert and see if it was useful in treating unfortunately when they did this early test in China. The drug showed no benefits and that was on twice as many patients summer. You had a small study in Chicago. That showed good results a bigger study in China that showed bad results now gilead still says the Chinese study showed like some potential benefits so more studies are coming while we're waiting for those studies Jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies over? Gilead the power of a control group. This is the old. Ab Test snacker. Jack Burns his tongue. I could feed him some nice cool milk from that. Dangerous Thermostat had burnt him a couple of days later. Jack's tongue miraculously gets better at it. Was the thermostat cured. The awful the flaw however in that thinking my tone would have got better without the milk and without the dangerous thermos that I should probably throw away. The Best Studies include a control group and a treatment group. Shyness study did this. Chicago's study. Did they randomly gave the Chinese patients? The drug or like a sugar capsule that looked like the so. The Treatment Group got the real drug. They got Ram Desert and the treatment group. Fourteen percent of them ended up dying and in the control group which didn't get the real drug. Fewer people died in fact only thirteen percent. That's the opposite of what you would hope that. Remm desert would do pretty much means that we cannot reject the no hypothesis. Drug wasn't effective intriguing. Covert Nineteen Jack. Riyadh that tone. Whip up the takeaways force over there. Raytheon just WANNA stealth nuclear tipped cruise missile governments that would splurge on stuff could be running some debt problems right now. I said can throw a UTAH. Evers earnings reveal that. Were buying more personal products. But we're actually using them. Less even conglomerates are going direct to consumer since stores are closed third and final story. Gilead had to study so far about whether Rim desma fear can effectively treat. Cova one thousand nine patients. This smaller worst study says it's effective. The bigger betty study says it's not unfortunately now time for our snack fact today this one. It's simple it's straightforward. You're GONNA love it. It's from Richard B. and Bristow Oklahoma in Chicago. It's illegal to eat in a restaurant. That's on fire in Marion Ohio. It's illegal to eat a doughnut while walking backwards. I always wondered if these things are really true. Are the April Fools Jokes? That just never got erased. It's the most creative thing legislators have ever done. We also WANNA give a shoutout to Maria. Yes turns thirty on Sunday. Your husband Graham had a big birthday party planned for you this weekend. It was going to be awesome. That got cancelled. Obviously so he's giving you a snack daily. Shout out instead grand. Whatever you do. Don't give her a thermos and please stay bark to your poppy. Remmy she sounds adorable. Snacker loved being with you this week. You looked fantastic by the way we should point that. Share your favorite bite from today's snacks on social buddies because it helps us grow. It's how we grow if you know you know. H Wyatt y EST Monday the Robin Hood. Snacks podcast you. Just heard reflects the opinions of only the host who are associated persons of Robinhood Financial Llc and does not reflect the views of robinhood Markets Inc. Her any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. The PODCAST IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. 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Ep. 288 - Barack Obama (Live)
"This special live edition of the X files with President Obama is brought to you by audible listening to audio books brings us closer together. And there's no better place to listen than audible audible has the largest selection of audio books on the planet. And now, audible members get even more exclusive audio fitness programs audio books and audible originals with custom made content. Start a thirty day free trial and your first audio book is free this month. I'm particularly excited to listen to becoming the new book from an old friend. Michelle Obama, go to audible dot com slash acts or text axe to five hundred five hundred that is audible AU D I B L E dot com slash ax. You can do it with audio books. Now from the university of Chicago institute of politics and CNN the axe files with your host, David Axelrod. When I first met Barack Obama had just finished law school at Harvard, and he returned to Chicago and settled in Hyde Park in the university of Chicago community so ten years after he was elected president of the United States. We welcomed him home to Hyde Park for this special live edition of the axe falls. Mr president. Welcome home. It is good to be back. How's it going? Money. And welcome back to the neighborhood. What what what's your fund this memory of your like, two decades? And I'd par. Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been this building. No. I know that's very happened since. Happened since things have spruced up. Well, look, I my memory of high park is. Me and Sasha being born. For example, I've been big things happened around here for me. But. One of the things that I always talk about is coming to Chicago for the very first time. I've been living in New York. And I had decided I wanted to be a community organizer. I didn't know what I meant. But I thought it somehow involved doing good and this group. On the south side of Chicago to hire me sort of sight unseen. So I drove out here. And I had only been Chicago once when I was eleven I didn't really remember it. And I drove. From New York through Ohio, and I get to Gary. And I think that's Chicago. And I'm thinking, you know, it's rough out here and unity, Oregon. Yeah. But this is my job. So I'm looking for the turn off. And then I hit the skyway, and I come through Jackson parking it's high park, and I say, oh, well, this is nicer than I expected. So. And. And so high park was the first landing spot for me moving here and. This ended up being the place where I lived. It was home base was where Michelle, and I I bought a home, and where our children were born and where I made lasting friendships. So. Love this place. Plus they're much better restaurants now. You. You know, we remember discussion we had a right after new years in two thousand and seventy just come back from Hawaii where you talked about whether you were going to run in that news, you leaning very much in that direction. And I said to you my fear for you. And if you remember this was not that you would lose, but that you would win and that your lives would change forever. And you can't go back. It's like Damn Yankees. You know, you get to play center field for the Washington senators, but you don't get to go back to your life. What do you miss most about your life before all of this before you had all these people coming you everywhere? Well, let me say a couple of things first of all your reference to Damn Yankees. Nobody here under stands. I I mean, you got to be basically sixty or older to be familiar with Americana. I knew I let myself in for this kind of thing when I invited. So that's point number one. I do recall the conversation we had and. For those who don't know as much of the background. Axe was. My partner in crime. When we first started real crime. But but acts really was the person who. I worked with together to shape are unlikely Senate campaign than thrust me into the national spotlight, and then continued into the presence, and one of the things I valued most we've talked about this was that David, and and David Plouffe, and Robert Gibbs and Valerie Jarrett, and all the people who are close to me actually, gave me a very clear sense of how. Unappealing running for president is and and that was important because if you were going to do it, then you had to be clear eyed and Michelle had understand what was involved then. I do recall our conversation, you said. The thing. I worry about you is you're not pathological enough right to I thought you were to normal to to do this. You're right. That once it happens. It is. Somewhat unique you feel launched into space, and you don't fully recover. What you had before? I think the thing that you miss is anonymity. And you don't realize the value of anonymity until you don't have it. And the way that manifests itself is simply that you can't take a walk. That's what I miss most taking a walk. You know, the the idea of. On a nice day balking along the promenade. And or you know, we used to take our kids and just bike during the summer from along. L along along lakeshore drive all the way up to. The aquarium and before it was all I don't know. What happened something got regulated? But there used to be these. They were little bit like food trucks that would be along the way. And and there was this one in particular that they had this lemonade that was just killer on a hot day, and you could buy some snacks. And the kids are. You know, trailing behind the stop at a swing and that kind of unplanned. Pleasure. You don't have the difference. Now is they'd set up the lemonade stand for you. It's just it'd be nobody else around. Well, listen, Michelle just wrote a book, I don't know if you heard about this. I heard mentioned it. So it's a great read. And I I want to say that because I'm worried about her book sales lagging so I thought I should give it a plug. But in it, she was, you know, it's vintage Michelle because she's very honest about everything including your struggles as a family, and this particular question because you guys lead separate lives professional lives before you ran for president. She was she worked at the university of Chicago hospital. She had a very significant role there in the community, and she had her friends, and she was routed here. She gave up a lot. For you. And for the cost. There's no debt and she reminds me of this. Often. The. I am extraordinary. Extraordinarily fortunate to. I have. Been chosen by a woman who. Is one of a kind and. And I do recommend by the way, her book becoming outstanding. I didn't come here to plug it. She's doing quite well, but it is her and speaks of her spirit. And I think the thing that you, and I have always wrestled with. It's not just the candidate you can to deal with it. All the senior staff had to deal with it. If you were married or had children or had a just a partner that you deeply loved and you're on a presidential campaign. You're not seeing them and. Susan, your wife would be the first to testify but the sacrifices that all of our spouses or partners or kids made during that process, which is part of the reason why. Once we got there. My attitude was let's make this worth it. And I remember a lot of discussions that you, and I used to have about do we take risks in terms of trying to get certain things done. Or do we play it safe because the polls don't look like they're tilting our way on this? Or that issue? And I think it's fair to say, I think you'd confirm that. My general attitude was if I am going to make the sacrifices and ask some. Michelle and my children to make the sacrifices involved in this seat. I'm not doing it just for a title and a plaque and. Vacation Sunday morning interview on doing it presumably because I'm delivering. On the promises that I've made you people who voted for me. And let's let's try to get as much done as possible during this time. Yeah. My my my point was just that. In addition to you being away from home because you were away from home for eleven years. In fact, you probably say your family more when you were president what do you want because you lived in above the office? Then when you were in Springfield in Washington cheat, but she had a brute her she gave up. What was a very? Promising and rewarding career and that that's hard. I just wanted to not because I think it was a moving part, and you must have had some very during that Christmas in two thousand and six some very. And she wrote about it some very emotional discussions about all of it. Well, look, I think that. Michelle. Continues to. Give voice to the challenge that a lot of. Remarkable talented gifted ambitious women wrestle with and I'm sure a lot of the young people who are here after wrestle with it. We do not yet live in a society that is friendly towards family, we give lip service to it. But we have some of the worst family leave policies and childcare policies and. Support. Of that are provided particularly want children are in the picture of any advanced nation on earth and the brunt of that still falls on the woman, and this proceeds me being president. This was true. When I was a state Senator, and frankly, it would have been true to some degree if I've had been an investment banker or of big time litigator or a political consultant and and. Those young men who are in the audience who think they're woke should be mindful that there is still an imbalance that exists. And and we have to have as a society in addition to individually in our partnerships of try to correct that. Because Michelle, and I both tell me and Sasha look. Being being with somebody as easy. Forging a family and raising children is hard and it requires attention. And when those little things show up. That's be Bure job. That's your first job. That's your highest priority. And so you as a pair are going to have to make a decision about how does that work and? I'm the first one day acknowledge that Michelle ended up making more sacrifices than I did in that process and. It's one that. As I talked to my daughters about it. I say to them you you've got to make sure that your negotiating the festively not to be too transactional about it. But to make sure that you have a sense of how is that burden going to be shared? I know your daughter's I'm confident they will. Yes, you you. Striking. When you ran for president was that you were and you spoke about this. You're literally just a few years out of being a state Senator from Illinois, a middle-class guy living over there in east view park, a very nice, but but but middle-class. Condo development over there and paying off your just paid off your student loans and all of that. Now, you're you're ten years removed from all of that twelve years remove or fourteen, but you live in this rarefied world where you know, you never have to wait in a line you fly for a good reason. Fly private and all of that. How how do you lose you feel for for people? Does it worry you? No, actually. And I think part of we've talked about this Michelle, and I were fortunate that we didn't become famous till we were like forty three or forty four. As you point out. We were well into our careers. Adulthood, raising kids parents going to target go into the car wash buying groceries paying bills going to Chucky cheese. And so by the time, we were sort of catapulted into. National prominence. Our characters I think we're fairly set, and we didn't think change significantly during that period and coming out of it on the other end as I said, we don't have the luxury of. Just hopping in our car and wandering around the way, we used to that. I'm sure has some impact. I don't know ex-. You know, me do I seem significantly different than. No. But I tell you. You're not missing anything on this waiting online. The fact that I don't take my shoes off before I got on a plane, I'm fine with and I don't I don't feel as if somehow I can't relate to. The people. As a consequence. I here's what I do think though. Which which may get to your question about. About sort of the feel of politics, and and zeitgeist, I think age does shift how you sense where the world's going. I actually we've we've talked about this. I. I actually am glad that. Having had the extraordinary privilege and experience of serving as president that you don't have the option here of. Being prime minister president in perpetuity or as long as you want. Partly because I actually think that. You you. You don't get as good of a sense of where the energy is of the society where it's pushing in the same way as you get older. I think that. I look at me and Sasha and how they get information. And and what issues they feel are settled? And what issues are still in dispute? And I may not have the same sense of those things as they do, or as, you know, the the young people in the audience here, do you you're right that you can't serve in perpetuity. Although there are some people who would like you to. You hear all the time. She can't he come back can you run for vice president? And so on which I know you enjoy. But. And I'm curious, and you may not want to answer the question. But you think if you in a ballot in two thousand and twenty that you would defeat President Trump. I. I will not answer that direct question for obvious reasons. The reason I ask you as people say, well, you know, we can't have another candidate of color. We can't have a woman because that that kind of stuff. I don't I don't buy. I I am. As you know, I'm fairly confident. Yes, that is a parent and. And when I left office, I think people felt after having gone through all kinds of ups and downs that I had. Taken the job. Seriously, worked hard. Been true to my oath. Observed and hopefully strengthened the norms and the rules and. The values of our democracy. I think America was more respected. Of around the world than it was when I came in and. I feel very confident that I I wasn't a position to. Had not been for both the constitution and Michelle to continue in office. But I guess what I'm saying is is that I'm not sure it is a bit as a healthy thing. I see in other countries. I've known even very good people who they they lose their edge, and they get stale and comfortable in the position. And I think it's useful to to to have a democracy. Have have to. Continually evolve. With respect to going forward. The idea that there's some demographic or. Profile of a particular candidate that is the optimal one or the ideal one. That's just not how I've seen politics work. I think people respond to candidates who speak to the moment in some fashion. And. You're the first one who talked about the fact that you sort of don't know how some buddies going to play out until they're in the race. And and they're they're often running. I think it's fair to say that. Although by the time, I announced I was running for president people were familiar enough with me, they thought this guy has talent they didn't necessarily think we were going to win. In fact, I think the odds were I think they wanted to see you run the whole gauntlet just they handled. It exactly I think our current president. Nobody expected that that would happen. But it did you don't know how. All these various factors are going to converge until you try and. Generalizations that we draw about well a woman's not gonna win this time. Oh, this is ideal time for a woman. You've had one black guy. So you can't have another black guy. But you know, why they I mean, I'm not subscribing to that theory. But you know, why it comes up because because I'm Mike you spoke. Right. You spoke. Great. You're great. For those of you who are listening in not watching president enjoyed his last come. The. The reason I ask is because you spoke your signature line in two thousand and eight and it was powerful was I'm not running to be the president of red America. Blue America, I'm running to be president of the United States. We we are divided America is bluer and redder today than ever and races at the core of some of that. Yeah. Why? Well. Because because of history of because of human nature and our. Deep flaws and foibles. It is. It has always been the fault line of American life. The it is it is the original sin. Of america. The fact that that declaration. We hold these things to be self evident that all men note right away there. There's an issue. Are created equal. That that obviously was just some men at the time, and we had to fight and struggle to try to make that real. And and that doesn't go away right away. It has. We've made enormous progress. It's remains a strong factor in our society. We are not unique in this regard. I think what's unique about America is our aspirations to be a large successful multi racial, multi, cultural, multi ethnic, multi. Religious. Pluralistic democracy. You think that's President Trump's vision? No, obviously, not we have. We have contrasting visions about what America is. And that's self apparent. But but what I what I would say is that. The majority of Americans believe in that story. And there's power in that store in America at its best is a story of. Trying to approximate and realize those ideals that were set forth. And my election did not somehow put an end to that struggle. It was one more path along that process of opening up our democracy to all people. And as I've said repeatedly, I think over the last couple of years history doesn't just go forward. It goes backwards and democracy is not a static thing. You have to struggle for it. And you have to nurture it and and ten to it. But. As divided as we appear right now. And we can talk about all the factors that contribute to that many of which young people. Here are familiar with? The truth of the matter is that the majority of Americans think that people should be judged on the basis of their character, not the color or gender. The majority of Americans. Believe that we are better off where our daughters have the same chances as our sons to succeed and do well and where. We should consistently. Do our best to make sure every child has equal opportunity in this society. Where where we fall short a lot of times majority of American. Let me interrupt for majority of Americans also voted for a different candidate for president. And so I know that there is a majority of you on I understand, look, David. I mean, if what you're saying is is that we have issues in our society around race. Yes, we do. If the issue is does that then foreclose the possibility of? Another African American or woman or DNA or a lot, Dino or. Indian-american at some point becoming president the United States because those issues exist, the answer's no now, do I do I think that conversely the measure of? Every candidacy in our politics is. Judge solely by diversity. No. There are other factors involved to like what's their platform? Do they have good ideas about how we're going to create jobs in a new technological society? Today. Have a good sense of how we're going to manage. The threat of climate change. And while still maintaining our economic growth, there are whole range of factors here. And I would argue by the way, and you and I've had this discussion. But. Opposition to me, and my presidency, and my agenda was not solely driven by raising. There were a whole range of factors. I think they're genuine conservatives out there who are not racist. Simply because they didn't agree with my position on the Affordable Care Act, or they didn't agree with my position on guns or they didn't agree with my position on a woman's right to choose bay. Sincerely, held set of beliefs that we're different than mine. And I think that it's important for those of us who disagree with. Others on some of these issues that we make sure to listen to determine whether. There is an honest disagreement about issues here, or whether we think this is just a tribal clash that is somehow inherent and in American life, and we're never going to overcome it. I I don't think we should be naive and pretend that there's never issues a brace involved in the fault lines of American politics. 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If you don't want to name name. I won't go there. But. I will say as I've been honestly reflecting on this and writing about it. That the big factor. The big challenge that we faced was the filibuster. And it's a weird thing because it's not something that the average American spends a lot of time thinking about it. Interestingly enough doesn't get talked about are examined much even by the pundits. It's a given that this extra constitutional thing. That says you have to have sixty votes to get anything passed. That arose sort of as an accident. Aaron Burr who at the time was presiding over the Senate. Apparently had bad judgment on a range of things. Sort of decided that of. You could get rid of the motion to proceed and various Robert rules of ordered a close debate. And what involved then is now a supermajority requirement essentially to get anything passed. It requires sixty votes would the exception of of the changes that were made finally with confirmations as a consequence of some of the obstruction that took place. We should think you agree that we should eliminate the filibuster. That's where I was going. But thank you, David. I guess I wasn't getting there fast enough. The same the point is that when you look at what happened in two thousand nine two thousand ten we had. Fifty eight votes than Al Franken comes in. And we get fifty nine votes and then four four months, we had sixty votes and. Arlen Specter because well, and then there was a temporary, right? Right. The temporary Kennedy. So for four months of my entire presidency. I had sixty votes. The rest of the time. We could not get anything passed unless we got at least one Republican vote. And if you had a situation in which the other party buttressed by. Everything from the right wing media to the coke brothers and various other groups that were actively mobilized very quickly early on to to ensure that any Republican who crossed party lines was punished and challenged in that environment. It is. It is. I think a reasonable argument to make that that we should have added discussion at least about whether this Bill of BUSTER process should continue. Now, keep in mind that a lot of senators light the filibuster because it's what gives individual senders power gives them additional leverage. They would not have they would not have given up easily. But yeah, the original design of the constitution. Of. Ensured sufficient checks and balances in part by having a bicameral legislature. And by having. The senate. Not originally not directly elected by popular vote. But even now a Wyoming has two boats and sodas, California. So it's the already have a range of of counter majoritarian. Structures embedded in the constitution, adding the filibuster. I think has made it almost impossible for us to affectively govern at a time. When you don't have. When you have at least one party that is not willing to compromise on issues. We I was there when the mid-term happened in two thousand and ten well, let me ask you one thing before I get there garland. Thinking back is there anything you could have done recess appointment or otherwise to to install Justice garland, judge garland has Justice garland. No, we we looked at the possibility of recess appointment, the they're already rulings on the books that would indicate that we could not do that. And have it upheld. And part of the challenge that we never completely solved it, and I'm the first to confess I was not able to get this message effectively. Filibusters obstruction process spouse violation of norms, not calling supreme court Justice. It's just not the stuff that move people to vote. And the other side didn't get punished for whether also this assumption that Hillary was gonna win and she probably fill that seat. If if you didn't. Well, there was that assumption. But it wasn't a it wasn't a wrong. It wasn't the reason that we didn't try to get that we couldn't we couldn't focus enough attention on. On the fact that the basic norms of governance that took place. Four prior presidents. Suddenly didn't hold for us. The only time it got attention was when it was so outrageous like when a guy stands up and says you lie in the middle of a joint session of congress where people go, well, that's different. Yeah. It was. But it didn't result in. The opposition party, the Republican party losing seats you. So you went through this change of party control in two thousand eleven what what do you? What does President Trump not know about what he's about to face that? He should I I let's re frame that what did I experience because I don't know what he's going to deal with. It's a different environment into different time. I think that we tend to overestimate. The power of the presidency too. Move major legislation. In the current environment. That's been true for a while. And there's a there's a historical reason for it. The Democratic Party and the Republican party were not polarized in the fifties. Sixties seventies even into the eighties. In part because. Ideologically, though, each party was a mess. You had Dixiecrats. Southern Democrats who were very conservative not just on racial issues. But on a whole range of issues you had Bronco fellow Republicans who were buried liberal there wasn't yet. What had taken place what we call the great sorting where people suddenly figured out that there's a national alignment, and if I feel this way, then I must be a democrat versus Republican everything was much more regional, and and so as a consequence you could have. A lot of cross party movement. Moderate Republicans got wiped out by twenty two thousand six even before we came in office. There were barely any. What would have been considered moderate Republicans? And there were very few conservative Democrats. So matter Republicans, but they they they were monitoring. Exactly, right. When I say moderate their ability to vote for you know, after they came out office. They'd be like oh, Brock. I know. This is really unreasonable. I'm sorry. It didn't do me much good or the country much. And I think that's still to some degree the case. But but what that means? Then is that? The legislative process. More or less shuts down. You then have to look at. Your administrative. And executive powers as a way of moving the needle on a whole range of issues that was controversial to some folks. Why is he signing executive actions as opposed to passing legislation? It wasn't my preference. But the alternative was complete gridlock in and the inability to solve real problems that we're out there at the time. Now, this is a general problem that we're going to have with our democracy until we get Congress working because what is absolutely true is congress punts so much now and has for the last thirty years. This wasn't just true under my ministrations. The ability to move big legislation through has become so challenging and the window for any administration to do. It is so narrow. That what you end up having is a situation in which agencies and essentially whoever controls the White House is filling in all kinds of gaps because there's no clear direction about. What exactly does the Clean Air Act me as the science evolves around climate change? So you've got the courts and the agencies interacting, and congress is sort of a bystander the whole process. I don't think that's healthy. I don't think that's optimal. But I also think that when you are in that presidential seat what you are constantly figuring out is within the bounds of the law. And I I want to make clear that distinction. Within the boundaries that have been set by your office of legal counsel. And. The courts. Can you exercise enough executive authority to be able to get some things done otherwise stuff just shuts? My big thing. You did get was the Affordable Care Act. We got that passed. Yes. And in those goods. And by the way, my understand. We're an open enrollment right now. So I want to give a little plug. Anybody who's listening? If you if you don't have health insurance, go on healthcare dot gov. And send me down to the hill or others did ram and others when they were grumpy about the Affordable Care Act to tell them why this was going to in the long run be a political winner. It wasn't in two thousand ten how gratifying was it to you to see all of these candidates all over the country. Democrat candidates campaigning on the Affordable Care Act and candidates saying. Yeah, we're for that too. For pre existing conditions felt gratifying. I wish it would come a little bit earlier. But that's. It would have been helpful on on in in two thousand fourteen but the look. You will recall that. Healthcare was always hard and tricky and during the campaign you and the pollsters and would warn me that this is a big headache. Because despite the fact that the United States has. Is unique among advanced economies around the world in not providing universal healthcare in having as many uninsured as we do and pay more paying more much more forward. Despite all that eighty five percent people have healthcare in the country. They did back then we got it up to ninety. But. And people tended to believe the worst about any changes in the healthcare system. If you already had health insurance, you figured any changes might make things worse for me. And so the politics of covering that last fifteen percent and making people's existing insurance. More secure was never easy. Never good, which is why nobody had gone done. Now, they've experienced it. And they don't want to give it up. Well, and my basic theory was if we could get the equivalent of a starter home. If we could change the terms of the debate. So that. It was a given that everybody should have health insurance. That is affordable. And that was the default that was the baseline which which people don't remember of before. The Affordable Care Act that wasn't a given. So we changed the terms of debate. By by insisting everybody's got to have a baseline. We got this little starter home going. We knew that it wasn't everything we would want. But that it would at least. Begin the process of getting more and more people accustomed to the idea that they should have insurance. And by the way, that the people who do have insurance should have insurance that actually is worse. Are you confident that the future will bring more and more reform and improvement. Yes. Because that's been the trend of the expansion of the social welfare system in this country social security started as a very modest program for widows and orphans and it excluded. Because of southern Democrats who didn't want African Americans to benefit at excluded domestic workers excluded agriculture workers. And over time it involved into. What we have today, Medicare, Medicaid, all these things have started off more modestly. And then over time people realize there should be improvements to it. I think the same thing will happen with Affordable Care Act. What's what what we've seen is in this election? And again, I'm the first to confess it took longer than I expected. Yeah. Is that this basic principle that people have that? Yeah. Everybody should have healthcare. And if you've got a pre existing condition, I shouldn't be foreclosed from getting healthcare. I think that now has been asked and answered asked an answer. And I and I would be surprised if you once again have. Republicans going after this thing as hard as they have. Although they are continued to undermine it in various places just out of spite in ways that I've never fully understood. The the one thing that has gotten. Me fired up on occasion is the idea for example, Republican governors whose constituents would directly benefit. And would and the the states would not be paying initially was entirely free. And then afterwards a modest match their unwillingness to provide coverage to residents of their states and places like Texas where you've got millions of people who liked basic coverage, I found three states with Republican governors, Utah Nebraskan Idaho voted to expand Medicaid in this past election where the market is on this. Eventually, we'll get there. Think about how many people didn't get a checkup didn't catch an illness early enough that the suffering and the pain that has been unnecessary as a consequence of an ideological or political agenda. Is. Is not our finest moment. Yeah. And this was one of those issues you mentioned earlier where you we're very clear that you were willing to lose for it. It wouldn't have passed from my vantage point without the help of Nancy Pelosi who is speaker of the house. She's in the news now. What is your sense of that in in whether the Democrats in the congress need her in these next two years like Churchill got dispatched after World War Two, but he led the country through the war. Look, and they know who Churchill they do. I will just offer my opinion about Nancy Pelosi. I'm not gonna wait into. And. House Democratic caucus politics. I think Nancy Pelosi when the history is written. We'll go down as one of the most effective legislative leaders that we this country's ever seen. And. You know, Nancy is not always the best on cable show or with the quick sound bite or what have you? But her skill. Tenacity toughness vision. Is remarkable. Her stamina. Her ability to see around corners. Her ability to stand her ground and do hard things. And to. Suffer unpopularity to get the right thing done. I think stands up against any. Person that I've observed or work directly with in Washington during my lifetime. And I think that. We have a tendency in our politics in this country to put a premium on performance, art. And it oak can they give a fancy speech, and are they? Quick and cool on some YouTube video or how are they house their banter on the late night talk shows? Yeah, you've ruined it for everybody. Well, but but I tell you. A lot of this job or a lot of the work. Of government is not flashy. It is it is nuts and bolts, and it is a grind, and it is hard. And it's a matter of competence, and knowing your stuff and being willing to just do the blocking and tackling involved in. Actually getting things across the finish line. And my experience has been that Nancy Pelosi knows how to do that. And she was an extraordinary partner for me. Throughout my presidency. Well, I can understand, you know, wanting to Wade into house politics. So I just wanted to give my. No. I have to ask you this question from from quasi Frank from Brooklyn who has based on the current state of the nation. Do you have any regrets about something you did or did not do during your presidency? And would you change any decisions you made? Well, one of my biggest regrets. Is one I've talked about a lot and is in the news today. Some of you've heard that just a couple of miles from here. There was another shooting mercy hospital. Where what appears to and not all the details are in. But it appears a disgruntled expiation say decides to come in and shoot his former fiancee, and then shoot ever leathers police who others three others, including a police officer. And. The I this. I've also said the hardest day of my presidency was was the day of the Newtown shootings. Sandy hook and having to be having to comfort parents who six year olds had been slaughtered. Just two days before and the the angriest I was ever during my presidency was seeing congress not do anything about it completely unresponsive. Dan and erupted for Wednesday and say Leah Sofer another student asked what was the most challenging part of the presidency on a personal level. This would be yes. And the fact that I. I buy my second term. It was literally every two or three months where I was having to travel and. Hug sobbing parents or spouses or children. Because of mass shootings, and it had become routine, and we had this. Kabuki dance of what we're offering our thoughts and prayers and. People would start talking about we need to do something about this and the other side would immediately and and. Of the entirety just about of the Republican party. And some Democrats where the politics was tough in their communities would would just shut off any discussion of dealing with this public health crisis. Does not exist anywhere else. This is unique. To the United States relative to our peer countries. It just it's not even close. We. We have significantly brought down traffic fatalities during. You're in my lifetime. Maybe the fact is that it is much safer now to drive. And the reason for that is people said. We should take a look at this and say, why are all these people dying in cars, it didn't mean we took away. All cars it meant. We did try to figure out how to make this more sensible and more safe and that included everything from airbags and seat belts to anti-drunk driving campaigns to how do we engineer roads? And how do we analyze when accidents take place same thing with airplanes same thing with just about every other aspect of our lives? And you have this one. Area that is treated as. Completely off limits. But you know, you know, why Mr President because they they would argue the opponents that this is the one that is enshrined in the well, actually, it turns out, for example of free speech the first amendment last I checked is enshrined in the constitution. And yet, we we hope it sliced we, but we say you can't yell fire in the middle of a theater we we consistently make decisions around. How do you balance? The health and safety of people with. The requirements of freedom. And look you and I have had conversations about this. I Representative annoyed downstate Illinois full of hunters. And and Michelle, and I used to when we were when we were campaigning out in Iowa, and we'd be in rural areas and you'd see some farm. House. Miles from a big town. And you'd say I can see why I'd want a firearm here because somebody just pulled into my driveway. The sheriff's not responding for quite some time. I might need some protection. I so the issue. It's so frustrating that we can't even have this conversation without knowing where it ends because it is self apparent. That we can create a system in which people could still have. Hunting license and an ability to ask a firearm in the home for their own protection. But there were significant limits and restrictions on their ability to shoot up, hospitals and schools and synagogues in fact, that we can't have that discussion in part has is driven not simply organically. This didn't just get. Emerge on its own this this was in part, manufactured by gun manufacturers and economic interests, and it was exploited for political purposes and mind, your own design, and they mind cultural divide so that guns became a symbol in part of that divide, and it took on an outsized importance separate and apart from the actual policy that was at issue and. Did you see any hope of changing it any? Well, I see hope and changing it if people vote, and I see hope and changing if people. Of goodwill. Examine. Of our willingness to try to come up with some improvements. I don't see hope in us, suddenly. Eliminating. The the high levels of gun violence that we have in our society right away. But I see us being able to improve things, and this is something that I've said consistently I said on the campaign trail, and as you say in the White House, I am not somebody who believes that. Something's not worth doing unless you get all of it done. I'm a big believer in the half a loaf. I'm a big believer in better is good and on issues like this. I would gladly take better where I'm saving maybe one hundred people year, and then becomes two hundred maybe then thousand kids aren't getting shot. I would take that in a minute. Even though I would still mourn and weep for the thousands of others who we haven't saved yet. I have to ask you. Two things before I want to talk about what you're doing. Now. One is your reaction midterm elections. You jumped in there. I remember you telling me the bushes had taught you a lesson in how to be a former president, and that was basically to give room in space for but you felt the need to jump in there and campaign. Yes. And how do you feel about the results? The president said it was nearly total complete victory for his side. But. I I think we did very well. And the reason I'm was particularly happy was to see the significant increase in vote totals the percentage of people who voted the percentage of young people who voted. Yes, was heartening to me. There was a about a ten percent jump in the voting rates of I want to report to you that we ran drive here on this campus in university of Chicago led the nation. I like that. Yes. So that's what I would expect. So. My general theory of politics is if you have out you went, and if you don't you lose, and if you wanna move your agenda forward, then you have to have more votes than the other guy. It's not all that sophisticated. It's math. It's math. Oh, you want congress? That's more responsive to the issues vote. More of your. Party in the congress, and then hold them accountable. And that's how that's how this stuff works for the most part. So you are you're I was pleased with the result. I have to ask you this question because I bet you there people here who would be interested in it as you look to two thousand and twenty what are your impressions of Beddoe mania, and what sort of role in the Democratic Party? You see him taking in the future. Impressive young man. Who who ran a terrific race in Texas and? What I what I liked most about his race was that it didn't feel constantly poll. Tested. It felt as if. He didn't poll in fact, it it felt as if he. Based his statements and his positions on what he believed and. That you'd like to. Thank normally how things work. Sadly, it's not. I think you, and I would both agree that in two thousand eight and hopefully pretty consistently all the way through that. The reason I was able to make a connection with a sizeable portion of the country was people had a sense that I said what I meant. And that's a quality that as I look at what I'm sure we'll be a strong field of candidates in in twenty twenty many of whom are friends of mine and people I deeply respect. What I oftentimes am looking for first and foremost is. Do you seem to mean it? Are you in this thing because you have a strong set of convictions that you are willing to risk? Things for and. He struck you as a guy who. Yes. And I think there are others. I don't think he's. We got a number of people who are thinking about the race. Oh, I think fall in that same category. And being able to sustain that maintain that. In the heat of battle when the spotlight's on. And there are significant risks. And you taking that position may lead you to lose this race that you've invested so much. That's that's the test. I want to see somebody pass. And by the way, I I can't even say that is necessarily always a winning formula. Yeah. I. I don't want to leave people with the impression that the good guys always win that the folks who are the most honest, always succeed in politics. I know I think that there's a lot of times where the outcomes may be different. And disappointing. But what I will say this. The people who move the needle forward, the people who moved the country in a way that goes back to that earlier comment. We our discussion we had about this theory of this the United States the folks who. Make it more likely that our children live in place that is fair and free and provides equal opportunity to all people. The moments where we've moved forward has to do at some point with somebody's. Being being willing to risk everything for for larger principal, and that's true. Sometimes even for folks who weren't particularly principled in the past. You look at Lyndon Johnson. At the moment, he signs Civil Rights Act, and he fights to get the Civil Rights Act test. This is not somebody who had been in the past of particularly principle. But. Grace lit upon him in at a certain moment. He said now we shall overcome. And he. Used his mastery of the Senate to get that thing. You know, my, you know, how I think about politics, it seems to me that what we saw in this election, and what you may see in two thousand and twenty s people are going to be hungering for that. And someone I and I'm not pushing bell Rourke over other candidates, but one of the things that made him appealing was he went everywhere treated with respect. And I think that's a lesson that whoever runs needs needs to learn I think the countries Hungary to be knitted back together and to see. A sense of mutual regard. I'm a big believer, as you know, in show up everywhere, and you talked to everybody, and you don't write people off. And you don't assume. Oh, well that person's not woke. And you know, what I'm gonna tell you. If how are they going to wake up if you're not having a conversation with them and listening to them and getting a sense of what they? I you may need to be awakened to how they're feeling and what they're going through. I I never understood this idea that you have to choose between your base. Sort of expanding reaching beyond your base. You talked to everybody. The those of us who consider ourselves. Progressives one of the principles we have fought against is. Somebody reducing us to. Our color or gender or sexual orientation and suggesting that there are things we can and can't do they're things that we can or can't believe because of those attributes those those those immutable characteristics. What we have been turned around and say. Yeah. That white man. In Arkansas, I'm not going to reach him, or you know that. Evangelical. I'm sure they're not going to be interested in hearing about a my environmental issue. You don't know that you have to engage and pay attention of. And when that happens. You're not gonna immediately bridge all those divides. There are very real differences. These are hard issues a lot of times when people genuinely disagree, but. At minimum. You will. Establish you you will be. Contributing to the. The the goodwill and the habits of the heart that are required for our democracy to continue to function, and and that is no small thing. Not oh that's more essential now than ever. So I've run over way over I know, I know we know, but you know, what we knew that was going to happen. But it's it's it's my podcast. So I'm going to run over. But I can't leave without pointing out that there are Obama scholars who are studying at the Harris school here. And it speaks to the work you're doing now through your foundation. And what you're what what you're doing? And what your hopes are for it. While we just completed a of a. Young leader summit here in Chicago that included some are scholars. Were doing great work at the there. They are they're all cheering and. These are. Marketable young leaders from around the world who are studying here at the Harris school, the university of Chicago also. Collaborating learning from each other working with us too. Find ways in which we can support their efforts back home. And. What I am. Constantly amazed by is how much talent there is everywhere. Young people who are smart and driven and innovative and idealistic and are absolutely intent on change in the world for the better. What they are concerned about. I think is that the old institutions aren't always working the way they're supposed to and there's sometimes cynical about those existing structures. So part of what our job is through the the presidential center programming is to give them a platform where they can start creating and remaking and revitalizing union with each. These these institutions it's Touche's that can provide workers with representation so that they can make a decent living and have decent jobs in. This new economy of innovations that help us deal with the environmental consequences of climate change and start getting on top of that innovations to ensure that the governments are transparent and and Representative. And the creativity and the. The passion that they've already displayed makes me Optima stick, and we had young people even younger than these folks. Some of them just out of high school had already started their own projects and Arizona and South Carolina as well as here in Chicago. So I am very excited about the programming. And obviously, I'm excited about us building a presidential center that in partnership with the university of Chicago, I think can help tell the story of of not simply my presidency, but. As I think the best museums do and libraries do. Tell a story about America's journey to. To create a more perfect union. Well, as you know, this institute of politics is working the same side of the street here. We're going to be great partners is all yeah. Well, I appreciate our long friendship and collaboration. You know, we share a vision, and it was such. It's been such a joy to be along on this journey with you and thank you so much for being here today. It was great to be here. And congratulations to all the. Participants of you guys are doing great look forward to seeing you do great. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. You're listening to the X files part of the CNN podcast network for more episodes of the files. Visit X-Files podcasts dot com and subscribe on apple podcasts, Stitcher or your favorite podcast app from our programming from the university of Chicago institute of politics is politics dot EU, Chicago dot EDU. Thanks for listening to my conversation with President Obama. And if you enjoyed this conversation, I'm sure you'll enjoy listening to audio books, and let me tell you. There's no better place to listen to audible because audible has the largest selection of audio books on the planet and remember now, audible members can get even more exclusive audio fitness programs audiobooks in audible originals with custom made content. 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Episode 245: Arent You Forgetting Something?
"Trump, says Congress what Congress Chicago explodes and the NCWA send some ominous signs football fans that twenty twenty isn't going to be a year. Welcome to the editors hosted this week by me, AL CW CW COOK and featuring. Jim. If they canceled the season and the jets can't lose a game right garrity and Madeleine lower your flags and march straight back to England. Rich lowry is on vacation this week. Sponsors the conceived in Liberty. Speak. Series by the Bradley Foundation and the American Story Podcast by Claremont Institute more on which later. But I. President trump decides lay task say ma, he signed an executive order series of executive orders. Over the weekend. In which he well usurped the Legis the church didn't do what he wanted it to do. The executive orders do four things. One. Instructs. His administration to look into ways of helping Americans who are facing eviction wants not especially controversial doesn't really do much. The second extends the deferral of student loan obligations essentially allowing students who owe money to miss payments without penalties. The. Third. Extends the emergency supplemental unemployment insurance benefits from the Caz Act and the fourth, which is by far and away the most controversial. Suspense payroll tax payments for some workers through the end of the air although it doesn't right off the tax burden. Jim Conservatives made a big deal it when President Obama did such things and were upset when he promised to resort his pen and his phone, and now president trump looks as if he's doing the same thing though. Yeah. There were a couple objections here in there Ben Sasse stands out but by and large. There was very little objection from elected Republicans and really not even from be safe for the the right of center media World I. Guess I can get me no an additional bonus editor's pick in here in that I think you will live in and Adam j white wrote a really good piece for US laying this all out and observing about how. You can probably twist yourself into a pretzel saying, well, trump's is different because of this and because of that look, there's nothing else. This is the spiritual descendant of Barack Obama selling have a pen and a phone, and I'm going to take you know and basically deciding to enact DACA INDABA without Congressional concurrence without Congressional authorization without Congressional Action I. In the corner, the other day I. Like it was kind of remarkable is not a trump. Did it? No not surprising? This is this is incl-. Tirelessly in keeping with the way, trump sees his his view of the office I'm sure John. You would would ready to burst through the wall like the Kool aid man to say, Hey, you know there's A. There's a validation for this. This is how the presidency is supposed to operate, but I think a lot of conservatives look at this differently certainly, we looked very different the this differently when Obama was president and I think what I wrote in a corner post earlier this week and it really kind of sticking in my craw is not just the trump did this. But how little debate or discussion that there was there was really even I think the objection from Democrats was not so much on the constitutional grounds of the President does not have the authority to do this. It was much more in the context of Orangemen bad and if any if if if trump had given them everything they wanted. By direct executive action and ignoring the will of Congress they probably would have been fine with it. There is no inherent view of that I thought two thousand fourteen Sheila jackson-lee and a bunch of other democratic members of Congress. They had this whole press conference in ceremony where they introduced called drafted executive orders. This is right around the DACA decision and they basically were like these are executive orders. We'd like to see the president do and I think no, you're in the legislative branch you have a job under this system it's to introduce legislation and yes, that can be hard. It's meant to be hard. The founding fathers knew what they were doing your have to build consensus and it seems like it's this alien concept these days it like people really the dominant attitude and sadly I think as much on the Republican side or almost as much. On the Republican side as it is on the democratic side, is this the at the attitude of most people in politics elected or grassroots activists? The whole bulk caboodle is if I'm I, want I want what I want when I want it and I don't care how I get it and is ultimately anti-constitutional as bad enough when you know joe six pack thinks that but it's even worse than members of Congress think that because members of Congress. Big First thing they do upon taking office is to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution right there. I, looked it up, see the words and they just. Ignore it, and they're completely comfortable with an idea of government that is completely at odds with the separation of powers in the constitution. So I began this week pretty aren't depressed. Charlie I. You know it wasn't that I was the lone American on this podcast I'm happy with that Now i. just a sense that those of us who've been arguing for the constitution. Just this old dusty document under the glass at the National Archives nobody really seems to think about too much anymore. Where we will skip over Jim's micro aggression, I am of course American to and been since two thousand eighteen. You're not an American. But like me, you are an immigrant and you came to America with a conception of how things are supposed to what does this bother you? When it doesn't. Yeah, it definitely doesn't I I agree with Jim. That it's annoying to see the hypocrisy of Democrats who do pay. To the Constitution win they're more than happy to completely bypass the constitution when it sits them. I actually think the Democrats are unlikely to sue or or certainly lead the legal charge against this executive action given that. The optics of it are not great. It would be essentially standing in the president's way as the president does something for the American people, which is very much needed. Like many things trump's does I came to get an sympathize with the impulse, which is that Democrats where very hard to negotiate with they were asking for way too much on their plans, which is totally disincentivize people to ever. Get unemployment, and that is a genuine problem not unindo sleep. I have friends who younger siblings or recent college graduates her living with her parents and nice affluent areas getting this this check coming every week can it's just why would they ever get job and I think that's obviously not sustainable. Think he's he was right that something has to be done This was not the way to do it I as a conservative on unfortunately and Charlie speak too much for this can this is obviously going to say rather unfortunate precedent if we ever want a progressive fan. Highly Progressive president, which is certainly postal. Am if you look at current pulling, then this could become a precedent on the point art partisan on Conservatives Parson. Hypocrisy and they say, well, you say you care about the constitution but actually when you had a conservative or sensibly conservative president seem to so So yeah, there's there's long term consequences. I'm less concerned both the the medium or short term consequences. Actually doing think that the payroll tax is particularly effective. 'cause my reading of the subjects is just the employers will withhold. The money and so when even it wouldn't even necessarily be advantageous to employees but yet the long term consequences are not great. Yeah, I agree with that. The one part I, suppose I diff A. On is the idea that this sets a precedent rather than ratifies it a precedent, right? We need to be clear about the provenance here and the scale. This pales in comparison to Obama's abuses but it is nevertheless a ratification, an endorsement of those abuses and unfortunately. We have seen the same Republican politicians who are apoplectic back in two thousand, thirteen, fourteen, either remain silent or in most cases Ben, Sasse in exception. Endorse this in some of even. Chuckled to themselves. Noted how clever. This is. Now. This is the wages of a bomber, ISM. Obama didn't just defer tax collection in an emergency. He refused to collect taxes entirely. Without any approval whatsoever with no underlying statute with no expensive law that could be squinted out with no emergency declaration that could be used as a justification nothing. He just did it because they were unpopular. And this is not. On the same scale, a STAKA which created positive new categories and effectively change the law, but it is precisely the same approach as Obama took. And it is just as damaging to our constitutional order, and this is a legislative function. It is arguably the most important legislative function. The best case here is that president trump can technically do what he did. Because Congress at another point said that he could in an emergency. and. Because the taxes aren't being. Written off that just being deferred but. It's an abuse even if that is true. And trump. Made it clear that it wasn't abuse. He suggested that one of the aims here. was to force Congress his hand he knows is going to be extremely difficult next year for Congress to ask people at the bottom of the income scale to pay taxes that were not taken out of their paychecks in a sense. What is done here is to create new facts on the ground. He went to Congress. He asked for a deal Congress set note for whatever reason it doesn't matter. In fact, it doesn't match Congress's reason was Yabu sucks we hate you. Said? No. And then he did it anyway and this is the same thing that that Obama did with Dacca. The idea of Dako was to create new facts on the ground and then dare Congress. To Undo it. And Bama was largely right in his calculation that it would and I think as Maddie says, trump is largely. Right in his calculation and the press will stay silent because it wants these unemployment benefits extended. The Democratic Party is not going to make too much I because of the politics, it's not great politics election year. To. Sue The president to raise taxes on poor people. Meanwhile, the constitution gets shredded justice. It did with Dacca and I know we have a lot of. Progressive. Listeners and most of them are. Thoughtful and Send. Interesting and considered emails I want to ask them well you. Twenty. Thirteen. Fourteen where was the Democratic Party? Where were the leading? Progressive rises I went nuts over Decca. I went nuts over Obama's unwillingness to enforce those parts of the affordable care act that he thought would be. Unpopular a law that he signed. I went nuts over trump's wall funding a couple of years ago and I'm happy to go nuts over this to this is disastrous for America. But where was the progressive movement where I was the Democratic Party when the seeds of this will being sown? And I remember back to Dhaka I'm show you do Jim. Every piece it seemed feature some random. Professor in Nebraska, a shoring the journalist writing. That what Obama was doing was one hundred percent legal. And that all of the other people. Who are objecting would probably racists and now those same people are all like, Hey, even article one, Bro. I remember, being told all procedural arguments of faecal disingenuous that no one cares about procedure. And we'd start. We'd say I actually support Dak legislatively, but then you'd be told you just trying to evade the question will wasn't an I'm not. This is really bad in needs to stop there's no excuse for it. I don't know if you guys saw us but Ronald Brownstein. said that trump doesn't understand any of this he stupid reactive. He's just doing whatever curse to him whatever he's. told to do, and maybe that's true but Obama wasn't. Obama was what a professor of Constitutional Law in knew what he was doing and he did it anyway. And I blame trump for this I am opposed to this trump should not have done it. It's not acceptable. There is no excuse. But Obama is complicit in this. And the people who justified Obama's behavior at the time are exactly the same as all of the Republican politicians who and now. Either Stang silent or saying it's OK again, Ben Sasse notably excluded. Those. People are hacks. Situation lists their operatives, and I hope next time. Have foresight. Sorry, Tim. Now. Trump by the animating spirit of both of these explicitly said by Obama and I don't think. I don't think trumpy precisely said this but this is definitely a big subtext is if Congress won't act I will. That's not what this country was founded upon, and in fact, you could argue it's very much what we fought a revolution against this idea that too much that this too much power should be concentrated in one part of the government. I think what's fascinating? Wise. Man told me longtime ago when I was having a Particularly frustrating. Argument and fight some other folks on the right is the difference between conservative and a right wing ideologue. The conservative cares about how you do something as much as what you're doing. The right wing ideologue doesn't really care how they get what they want to support that they get they want and the it's interesting to see the arguments from those who defend this from the trump perspectives at Congress is being unreasonable. Yes and I'm sure that's exactly how Obama felt about the Republican Congress back when he was you know contemplating Dhaka this. But the other great irony of course is that Obama, had spent several years insisting that he did not have the constitutional authority to do this all by himself that he needed Congress to act and that he and then all of A. Sudden my suspicion is that he realize that the sand in the hourglass were sinking through on his presidency. Then if he was going to do something like this, it was going to have to require this kind of pushing the constitutional boundaries, bending them arguably to the point of breaking and that was kind of the. So he was the one who you're spe interesting. Oh. Actually do I look Lo and behold I. had this constitutional authority was back behind the couch I didn't see it this idea that you know. Okay. Well, I'm going to do this. Now I have this now we have this permanent change in how we handle. Immigration in our country because I the president of decided this is so. by the way, we should take a moment to walk around A. John, Roberts, with sharp stick for his desertion in the court handled desolate probably make the argument that the trump administration's arguments were sloppy and not the most effective but in that Supreme Court case. But in the end I don't think enough Americans appreciate why they're wipe passing legislation is hard and why the stuff isn't supposed to be you know Bing, Bang boom you get it right through. Yeah. Happens the worst things are you actually want this whole philosophy of the Senate supposed to be this this saucer and the t cools in it before You Pass something because when you pass something and if in an emergency we pass something really fast. That's one bad ideas usually end up getting. Shoved through the door. Well, look at Tendulkar Abuse Jim I. Mean Look at the potential for abuser. As I say this Pales compared to Dhaka make it remotely. Okay. But IT PALES DACA created new categories of immigrants and it took the idea of prosecutorial discretion and it turned it into a fast. You can't collectively. Declined to prosecute there's no discretion involved in that but. But the potential hair is absolutely enormous Stephen. Moore. Who seems to have been the architect of this? Put out a press release nine seconds off President Trump announced these executive orders in which he said the election is now fifty fifty the Democrats are going to have to sue to raise taxes. He's pleased by the politics of it but where's the limiting principle there it would be nice. Wouldn't it for any president to be able to say I am not going to enforce taxes during an election year but they will be owed the end of it and I hope Congress will drop them if I win, which is what trump said but that's not how the system works. You have taxes being enforced unless there is an election year. You can't have say the. Laws that people dislike. Being onerous unless the president is down. In the polls. That's that's a recipe not not just for. Caprice and chaos, but it's also a recipe for corruption. Those laws are unacceptable repeal. What I WANNA know matter you mentioned the long term consequences of this is, is a you of the view that this will now be come the norm that Democrat presidents will do it. Republican presidents will do it, and we'll just shrug and remember the time when we had meaningful separation of powers or do you think there's anything in the more sophisticated pro-trump argument that you read on the right which is look the only points at which the people who defended this approach back during the Obama Administration will learn is if we do it to them and then they'll be a ceasefire mutually assured destruction and we were so congress to its rightful place. That's very naive perspective in fit very rarely works. I think when it comes to eight Dursey, the laughter Oh was willing to go much further and I don't think that just on a purely first principles faces i. just don't think there's any justification along those terms. The Fan I am curious about in this particular instance is whether there will be a kind of. Strange bipartisan. Effect of the executive order which the he managed to trump doing doing this managed to get Ben Sounds, or nice get Chuck Schumer to agree with Ben size that this was unconstitutional slow I think was the. Term used almost wonder if like this could actually be supplanted by some kind of bipartisan legislative package whether this would have akin of strange effects If if people can rally against this principle I, don't know if you have thoughts on that. Well certainly, an interesting point you raise, which is it's not just a matter of the Senate per se having its perogatives usurped but. It's Republicans to one of the problems back in two thousand, thirteen fourteen was that in order to make the case against Obama's behavior you had to say, well, you know Republicans won the house. In two thousand ten. And for those people who hate Republicans that was unconvincing here I think it's odd because it's not just the president trump has taken away the power of Chuck Schumer. Nancy Pelosi he's also undermining. The authority of all of those. Republicans in the Senate who said No. This was a bipartisan rejection. which has skated by and. I think that should focus a minds. Even those mindset appeared cynical purely outcome oriented the president has bucked his own party. He has taken away essentially the votes off Republican voters who chose to put. The Republican candidate for Senate in there rather than a democrat. So we've now reached the point at which this is not purely a Democrat versus Republican left be right question. But a question of branch free Brunch. And I am I'm interested by that idea Mattie I. Don't have a great deal of faith though that Congress will rise up and Reassert itself because the dirty little secret hey is the vast majority of people in Congress, in an election year don't want to take. Difficult votes and don't want to be accused of bucking. The president as far as Republicans are concern, which is what they would have to do to to override. A veto Jim do you have thoughts on the likelihood of that? You know again, it's been deeply the one hand I. Early this week I was thinking about how? Any party has a hard time standing up to their own president. It's just it's baked in the cake. Right you go to fight with your own the president of your own party. The president can always get back at you. You're always in a situation read like the president to do favors whether it's you know you want your district, you WanNa fundraiser. So this baked in the nature of our of our modern politics members of Congress are not eager to really stand up to their own president navy president in trump who loves to lash out at people who piss him off, who loves to get revenge who love it we saw immediately went on this tirade about Ben saw Ben. Sasse. Right. So you've got this almost perfect storm, which is very few incentives to do the right thing to say no Mr President, you don't really have that. But as I mentioned at the Sheila jackson-lee example in this kind of gradually creeping attitude towards the war powers act members of Congress want to support something if it's popular. and. Then if it's unpopular, they want to run fleeing and they don't want to have anything to do with it and so as bad as as trump has been during this. The vast majority of Republicans who are still in Congress obviously, fewer fewer of them in the house and there used to be. are comfortable with this because trump takes most of the flack trump goes off and crazy directions and they have to hide from reporters but by and large they get you know down and stay in there. It's generally stay in office or their hope to stay in office. And you know the my suspicion is that we saw massive waves of Republicans retiring in two thousand eighteen retiring this cycle. It's because members members of the house realize this is what the job is. Now you're sort of figure head you don't really do you're you're not really a CO equal branch of government you're just somebody who's like one of the you know lower lower tier ax in this endless circus that the trump administration and so I I I can get why they do that. But in the end, this is you know if you don't want these constitutional duties Joe Run for Congress. 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So the police, their side of this story is that this was in response to or the pretexts for this looting wasn't response to disinformation. So they as you summarize, they said that there was an active shooter here the show I think he was a twenty year old male. This was posted on facebook as them having short a fifty fifteen year old boy in the face. This was then a call to arms and I think this question is that this was basically organized criminals just like taking advantage of mass hysteria am what seems to be too can. Immediate thoughts to this I am the first is that given that there was for warning and you should see this buildup online Why weren't they able to can see coming in and do more? To. Stop. It and I think if you if you zoom oh look at. The Democratic Mayor Laurie Hey, she's handled. That various stages of the of the riots It's it's been the same pattern that most democratic municipalities half, which is just a lot of virtuous signaling not a lot of decisive action. This was slightly worse as well. In that on Saturday, she had taken to twitter to Taylor some sunbathers. Am I think she she said it's called upon denic people and and described as his reckless behavior. The fact that I think it was mostly gay actually congregating with their shirts off and on. And yet back in July, she tweeted our unequivocal support for the for the protesters expressing their first amendment rights. So there's just like there's a in here. People are getting fed up and then I. think the most damning statement in my view came from police superintendent who said. Basically said criminal this happened because criminals knew that they could take to the streets in this way. I know have any consequences for their actions. So when your own police superintendent is saying that I think that you really need to kind of. Get. Your Act together. Yeah. So Jim as Maddie says, Lori lightfoot the Mayor of Chicago has been all over the place in her rhetoric and displayed some. Fairly, brazen double standards. Tell me if you think this is fat I read. Laurie light fits condemnation. Of the looting she said, this was a brazen and criminal looting and destruction. This is not anywhere near acceptable and I thought what acceptable was interesting because the application there, and this is bolstered in my reading by her other statements has been some of the previous violence has been acceptable at least it has been overexuberance in the service of a legitimate course whereas with this, she say own don't do that that takes it too far to what extent is she now suffering the consequences of her own unwillingness to condemn lawbreaking earlier in the cycle. Is going to say this is not the first time the magnificent mile and Chicago attack there was video people. Just a whole crowds rampaging into the Nike store coming out with shoe boxes and t shirts and everything they could possibly get their hands on. So this has happened before not that long ago In fact I think somebody's observed that the glass the Nike Store did not get broken this time. They may have upgraded it to a much more impact resistant glass. Your modern reality of being in a downtown city in twenty twenty I. Kind of wonder if this week is going to be if this turns out to be factor in the twenty twenty elections November. And things do not turn out as badly for the Republicans as people think and I think it's you know there's still The future is still unwritten on this I. Think this past week may be seen as a turning point and it's kind of couple interesting and things. The first is the New York Times wrote this piece deeply reported from Seattle and said, you, know a headline was abolished the police, those who survived the cast and Seattle aren't so sure what is it like when a city abandoned a neighborhood and the police vanished business owners describe a harrowing experience calling for help and being left all alone. Now this ran on August seventh. It was covering events that occurred in July and a whole bunch of people were saying, Hey, this is what I was hearing from social media around the ground the whole time the rest of the New York Times is telling me this is all Hunky Dory. This was all just a big street festival and nobody needed the cops nonstop. But as if there was this like this giant sudden correction in which the New York Times at Oh wait actually when they tried to do away with the police. And the the Bob took over a neighborhood in Seattle it didn't turn out as well as we initially thought. So then you have but I, I, still have this feeling that this will you're seeing initially saw in Seattle and you saw it in Portland that there was not necessarily break breakthrough and make you know Mr and Mrs Middle? America feel nervous about this in part because Seattle and Portland have these reputations of these cities full of Weirdos we remember Lancia Seattle's had the protests going back the WTO, the nine Hundred Ninety S. Okay. They have a bunch of crazy lefties out there. That's kind of what they've always been, etc.. The image Monday morning of them, raising the bridges on the river in Chicago. as Charlie, you've probably noticed everything about the world entirely comes for movies and I was reminded of Batman begins, which ended you know the fear gas spreading all over Gotham city and people are losing their minds. It is chaos. It is anarchy and they raised the bridges to contain the violence and anarchy life is imitating art and what was supposed to be a portrait of a city beyond control. Unfortunately, there is no Batman and so here's this kind of this interesting Oh this can happen in Chicago. This can happen in downtown Chicago. Up until recently, we thought Chicago is the place where the biggest menace were these Maga. Hat wearing maniacs. Actors on the show from. Empire. But in fact, know this this magnificent mile can be you know anomaly trashed with graffiti and such you can see my understanding was was. A SATIRIC CD Jeff saying that people are coming up with you halls And just cleaning up the stores that everything they could get their hands on There is a pattern here and Republicans can make this case I think anybody who you know. that. Right now, you have this pattern of the BLASIO lightfoot in Chicago. Ted Wheeler and Jenny Durkan in Portland and Seattle who just shrink in the face of this serious threat to law abiding citizens and private property, and in the end we talked that last segment about members of Congress who don't really want to the job of being a member of Congress here you have mayors who don't really want to be mayor they don't. Want to enforce the laws they don't want to be in this position. They don't want to confront this power problem because doing so might alienate some of their political allies or I suspect they fear they'll have a challenge from the Left Guess What folks? This is the job you signed up for this is the job you campaign for get out there and do it. But they will not and I think there's an argument that even if this is you know even if these cities are always going to be electing Democrats almost worth noting they're probably some people in the nineteen eighties without Repub, the New York would never elect a Republican mayor. Then, you know basically Republicans can say look we have our flaws were not perfect but we understand that there must be law there must be order and that just because people claim to be acting in the name of noble cause, they can't run around and do things they can't steal things they can't destroy other people's property i. think that's a message most Americans will go for and I think that you know Democrats are really skating thin ice and I think that New York Times article saying Hey Seattle didn't turn out. So well was in early important indicator of this Mattie what's your res on that as? Conservatives say family. In many cases the the cities in which these problems tend to arise are run by the Democratic, party and so merely instructing people to go and vote is unlikely to change much Chicago I believe has not had a republican mass since one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, one. Almost a century. So, merely putting up billboards and saying how important it is to turn up the ballot box is. Unlikely, to change a great deal and yet it is true that. Voters close to those cities. Often. Do Change Their voting habits as a result of this sort of activity. In one reason Illinois, a state used to go read in presidential elections. was. Crime. Yes Chicago State, Democrat controlled. But Illinois was not. And of course, as Jim says, if you push too far, you will end up with Republicans in charges we saw in New York with Rudy Giuliani only just. Cal Smith pointed this out this week that. Giuliani one that watershed election. With fifty one percent of the vote was it was not a landslide. So I wanted to do you think that? It is likely that this will. Change. Some mines or is this baked in or perhaps this is trump and the Republican party likely to suffer because people say well, look through the president as. Well there is a obviously there's. A kind of amuses me that in New York. where I am Thurs being this mass accidents of all the the rich liberals. are in the hunt. And it's funny because people who hold these views about well, actually to fund the place. Yes. Absolutely wherever they live in Nice affluent gated communities. And they're able to get out of the danger areas I. Think Ordinary Americans don't hop that can luxury I mean if you look at if you look at pulling data. Especially, as it pertains to pull rising, generally do Actually, people are not anywhere near as partisan as. Politicians assuming they are they're actually They're they really care mostly in peace. You know kind comes down and actually on on a day-to-day level being able to let them safe securities. So fundamental that I could see don translating into voting as you say the it'd be it'd be very easy to exaggerate that or to overplay it. But I definitely think is created an opening for US serious law and order candidate Republican candidates can make the case for why what they're offering important right now. I think it's In the background while you were speaking, we could hear police sirens. I don't I don't actually leading the nice part time Charlie. So, this is a personal issue for me. Yeah. You don't want to defend those police sirens. Exactly. They're actually a comforting to me. Well, second sponsor this week is the American story. PODCAST, by the Clermont Institute. The American story is a free weekly short-form podcast that aims to reveal and remind listeners of the goodness of our country, our country, Jim, hosts Chris Flannery at the Claremont Institute explores the ideas, events and people that have shaped the American way of life and understanding of what it is to be American Jim. As. The United States becomes increasingly disunited. 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You can find all the episodes and you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts, Google podcasts, spotify, or on your preferred podcast platform. That's the American story podcast. By the Claremont Institute. So yesterday morning. began to bubble up on twitter that always not well in the world of college football. I'm currently taking a break from twitter but whenever something interesting happens on twitter people, send me the tweets. So I saw the five all six. Offending tweets and I must say heart sank I am in North Florida College football is absolutely Enormously popular. It is read on a Saturday to see anyone who isn't wearing either a Florida gator shirt or Georgia bulldogs shut or whatever team. They started following back home before they moved to. North Florida. Jim. I don't know to what extent your college football fan but I know you're a big sports guy in general does this worry you in terms of sports for twenty twenty and also in terms of the full in twenty twenty? On all these levels. My interest in college football is generally well, I know the jets are going to be terrible. So let's they're going to be drafting next year. pull. The. Easy thing to root for you shift from team to team. Quickly sorry I have a quick story, but the jets when I was some a tourist I am actually went to jets game and I go into this massive found. This is before New, York I got massive foam finger on sitting there with my boyfriend at the time with this big phone figure and somebody behind US win who would buy a foam finger we suck. Just felt I just felt totally. Just like Ben, the Finger Day of course. They, did lose quite. So that is the inmate which. Isolate. Exactly. How could you tell twenty fourth two, thousand, fourteen? Yeah late late late Rex Ryan early Todd Bowles Yeah those are bad year anyway Yes. Sorry. Mattie you deserve to be treated better than some guy can take you to a jets game but at least you got to meet some of the innate positivity and optimism because she did say boyfriend at the time. So she cleaned like. Sounds like upgraded. Anyway. The look. College football is a really big deal not just in the south but in a whole bunch of parts of the country where there isn't a pro team where in you know whether it's Gainesville, Happy Valley in in Pennsylvania by and large. These are parts of the country where you know this what you do on Saturday this is what you. Get excited about if you ever watch you know College Game Day where you see pretty much not just the entire campus but the entire community come out in these swarms by some of the biggest stadiums at the country are college football stadiums was University of Michigan I wanNA say their attendance is more than one hundred, thousand people I mean these are huge deals. And so obviously, this is this is almost akin to canceling Christmas, this is a disappointment on an epic scale for some of these communities I suppose you could try to from that trying to extrapolate what's the mood of the country going to be come November you know is that GonNa. Be reflects badly for incumbents or is it going to people in people in a bad mood? We'll probably have a lot of reasons to be in a bad mood in the fall. But the indicate look people kind of recognize I wrote about this for a little while ago. The NBA can proclaim the bubble the NHL players in two Canadian cities and get through it. Okay. Baseball. Had some bumps in the road. Thank you Florida. Marlins. I'm sorry. Miami Marlins. In my mind. Sally the whole state with the. Marlins. A The One of those things college football, it's just tougher. The rosters are bigger more players are on the field they're crashing into each other. It's going to be really tough to prevent the spread and there's been this thing. Is there any way they're gonna be able to pull this off and I? They said we're not GONNA do at a conference games and now over the last forty eight hours, it looks like the season is likely to be other canceled entirely or maybe one or two conferences are going to. Try to do it. Maybe some teams will not go along with the decision of their conference. It looks like if we get any college football this fall, it's going to be very, very limited and that's going to be. That's going to be a deep bummer for a lot of people but I think what's more it kind of indicates look this. This has been an ordeal I've been having. You know talks of my sons who are like, you know how much longer is this going to go on and? Miss My kids and we've all been putting up with this since at least mid March. But? The. God's middle of August. You know we've had AK ships cancel the can't travel give Americans leave the country. You know. It's gotTa be over soon right? Well, maybe not. As we get closer to winter. Cold and flu season begins You'd like to think that the isolation we've been doing would minimize the spread of that. But you know people talent, the medical experts who telling people since that flu shots available go out and get it because you don't want to be. The hospitals deal with everybody having the flu at the same time. They're still dealing with the dealing with the current coronavirus were supposed to get the vaccine late this year early next year probably won't be distributed on a massive scale until let's say late winter early spring. You know we may or may not have football this this this fall we may have another miserable winter ahead of us more intriguing ideas being kicked around the idea of doing spring football in college football. He kind had that option you. You nobody else's using those stadiums than you can probably arrange it. Maybe that would be a good idea maybe it worked out. For a lot of these teams but you know just another one more giant bitter pill to swallow in a year. We're all just you know feelings. We've got one after another just a deeply frustrating set of circumstances s I have to say this came as a little bit of a surprise to me. Most of the sports obsessive know had been predicting this but. It felt to me because I'm such a big baseball fan. That things were improving perhaps purely because I've got to watch baseball every night for the last two weeks and also that the schools reopening here in Florida and the cases certainly in my county really dropping and a bunch of people I'm friendly with have started flying again and I was getting the impression. Hey, this. This looks like it's improving a little bit and then this this news came came out of the blue now Maddie I know you're not. A college football fan and. You could say that journey. Surely. My story indicated great with us was your first exposure to the game was was the jets and I. Just assume you run away from it. But scoring. Except, the players are professionals. But it's Not a college football fan mighty. But but I, I wonder whether you shed my growing sense of optimism or. Whether I've been kidding myself and this fits perfectly within your worldview anticipation. Well I. Don't I don't know if I had many expectations because it's not something I spent an awful lot time. Thank you. But my to says a person who doesn't spend a little time to give it. This is that the first is. For in terms of safety for the players themselves like I kind of thought SIPOS dangerous. gave me maybe I'm missing something here, but I would have so. There's there's quite a high risk of injury in that game anyway, and so throwing in the chance of catching Kerr devices is maybe now. That that different in terms of the risks of the game at least for the players themselves the the bigger issue I think is is obviously a domino effect. This has on the economy because I didn't quick Google. At different universities, actually get in revenue from his absolute enormous. Alabama I think is seventy, seven, million and six point five million that goes to their academic programs. This this really devastating effect I think a knock on effect on. So many other aspects of life for for these communities where cultural. Thing in that say nothing of people who have scholarships I mean if you're a male player I think my understanding is you have a biological clock and so you only have. So many years to kind have really. Shoe show you what your potential So it's really sad did not respect and also I suppose theat if some conferences Pelote, then it really can strict on on the whole on thing I'm imagining like the World Cup, where Lake Esley France Spain or in it, and then well, if you know if there's only three. Countries participating would really be a victory. If these championships went ahead, I don't really know I. think There's there's a law old side. There's a lot of consequences that would come from something like this. So it shouldn't be done lately. Yeah. That's one reason why. A number of people said to me. I'm not sure that we're going to get college football nfl for that matter. I thought I. Don't know because as you say, this is a four billion dollar. Industry. We don't need to relitigate the. Issues with the way the is set up but Maddie you're absolutely right. This is one of the main funnels of money into colleges and it doesn't just affect their sports programs. So. Jim, do you have any thoughts on? How that's going to affect not just two colleges per se but football going forward chair well. They've already given up March madness, the a traditional spring basketball tournament, which is a huge ratings and has sixty four disruptive sixty eight teams. Once you have the play games and stuff that's a huge deal both for the networks for advertisers for all schools that participate you look back on the blog of INSTA- Pundit Glenn Reynolds, and he's been talking about the the coming collapse of higher education or the bursting bubble of higher education and some people might say, okay ready for the bubble burst by now But this it's it hasn't been a bursting of the bubble it has been a slow motion process but you. Are Starting to see universities and colleges are realizing Oh. We've we've gotten used to being able to hike tuition well beyond the range of rate of inflation year after year decade. After decade, we may have hit the ceiling of what people can afford to pay even when they get loans even with government aid etcetera etcetera, and now all of a sudden like one of the one of the legs of the stool that's holding him up is GonNa get kicked out there. They're not going to have all that revenue from college sports, their use having Stanford University which has the I think the third biggest down in the Country Announce that they're getting rid of not all but I think it was like a half a close to a dozen of their non revenue generating sports the you don't get a lot of money from rowing competitions from gymnastics, volleyball all the other sports in a perfectly good sports and God bless every student athletes participated. But unfortunately, they're not shown on ESPN all through Saturdays and on Fox and on. ABC, on Saturday nights. So you don't get that giant television revenue so you don't get the money come in it. So people you know they're generally the revenue from football and basketball has managed to support these sports and eat at. Stanford University with this giant endowment is saying, we can't afford to keep doing this. A lot of schools are going GonNa look at this and say I don't know if we can get to you these programs at all and there may be some schools that have said they're thinking about not keeping their college football program that they're not with the one of the ones. That's you know getting huge numbers of victories. It's huge corporate sponsors and selling out large luxury boxes and all the ways you make money. Some schools might look at the cost, the cost of the program what is bringing in and saying this isn't necessarily worth it. For those of us thought that college, the higher education drastically needed some sweeping reforms and for those of us who thought that the college athletics world was increasingly turned corrupt under the NCAA. The basically colleges had decided to become the developmental leagues for the NFL and NBA, and that this was not it more and more colleges restrain away from their purpose, which was to educate young people. That maybe this is going to lead to some ness some some improvements down the road. But for now, it's going to be supremely painful for a whole bunch of schools at Bisley believed the money was just gonNa keep flowing in forever and ever we know it's been interrupted for one year, and my sneaking suspicion is that we're going to have long lasting lingering changes to our culture. I couldn't sports culture including idea that you know we're just not gonNA count the how do you compare baseball camp statistics for this year? To all previous years when there's only sixty games, how do you compare you know go nobody knows who's going to win the NBA Championship? Because they had this China interruption to the year some guys opted out it's going to be nothing. Twenty twenty is really going to be comparable to what happened before and we're hoping we get back to normal but none of us have any real idea about when people will be back in our lives. On that depressing note. Trying injected at a levity with our light items, Mattie. Your Mama's discovered facebook filters. Yes. So so. Raise it is great and the time like this to have ways, it's not only talking to your family live abroad but seeing them unday. and My mom who is very Very Smart Accomplished woman. Just thinks that there's nothing more serious than life than than these filters that turn you into a watermelon nor turn you into our bunny rabbit or? or Elvis, Presley. This actually happened I initially by accident we're having quite serious conversation actually. Which I would I would bore you with the details on in any case GM pit some button. And there he was Elvis on she just I'm also has this thing where she she when she starts laughing she just starts crying with laughter and she won't stop it's very infectious. So yet she's she's been really enjoying the facebook filters as as I am indirectly. Good. With really bad news. I'm sorry I don't think Auntie module is going to make it and she's which you know what the would be kind of like out Glaswegian we have very dark says if you are though my mom, my mom's English is I think mentioned she before which is supposed makes me half? English but that's another story and certainly not a late we'll have a crossing Tim You think everyone is in the same boat. Yeah. In previous editions of this podcast with came to the lighter items talked about doing online happy hours and You know socially distance get togethers with the other parents our kids it dawned on me of the day. There are certain people I'm hearing from more often certain friends through online. Forms of chat than I did before the pandemic when we'd have to bother to pick up the phone and talk to each other and our conversations are generally how you doing and you'll be quickly realized everybody's in the same boat in the sense that everybody's got the same problems everybody's kind of you know. Kids are going nuts They're not going to have school in the fall you know online learnings. Ridiculous. are you going anywhere might be going someplace but you know they they wanNA fourteen everybody's in the same situation and I wrote the first morning jolt of the week talking about. If you're having a tough time getting through this and you have you feel like your wits end feel like you're you're ready to tear your hair out. It's okay. Because everybody's in this situation you're not alone. You're. You're you're not doing that bad. If you're if you're on this side of the dirt, you're doing. Okay. If your kids learned anything during distance learning, you did a good job. If you're still employed, you're doing something, right? You know this kind of the sense I don't know if people are giving themselves enough credit. For. Getting through what is a really challenging time and so every time I talked to my friends if you're a little bit better on this front and it's that recognition that no, there is nobody out there who is Whipping up amazing recipes every day and you know figuring out and they've lost twenty pounds and you know. Everybody is struggling with this in one form or another you just may not be able to see it. So if you're having a hard time, it's okay you just means you're a human being and we're going through a really extraordinary time and you know talk with everybody else you have this book all in this boat together and we will all sail through these stormy seas one way or another, and you know this is a shared hardship that we're all. GonNa look back on this and laugh. Someday. This is a nice little segway to my light item, which is Daniel Tiger's pbs kids show that is based on Mister Rogers. Mister Rogers esque. Monologue there jim very welcome one. Daniel Tiger is a a nice show and it revolves around lessons extremely useful for kids. Tells them that when they're feeling angry that count to Tan shows them that it's normal to be upset or feel jealous. And it's been great. We just subscribed to. PBS. Amazon prime channel I suppose you would call it to get this and it really shows you the kids absorb whatever it is they watching I mean. If my kids watch jake and the Neverland Pirates for example, on Disney plus and I have to scold them. We'll tell them not to stand on the table or to. put down a fork. and. They will say, Oh, you're. Response, which is not really what I'm looking for but with Daniel Tiger they. Don't internalize the lessons but they feed them back to me. How they're supposed to be well behaved or feeling a little bit angry at being scalded but that's okay. It'll jingles that they. Sing. So. If you haven't watched Daniel Tiger and you have young kids, I would recommend it not only. Kids show within the. Collection, but certainly a so corrective to the pirates brace worry about spider-man. Convey Belt on which you have probably found yourself. A lost item is our editor's picks Mattie. What's yours? I really enjoy a rich and Ramesh is why trump's losing? He's I thought it was both forceful unfair which is a rare combination when discussing president. So I thought opposite greet which I've Kylie recommend. Magazine piece that's now up on National Review Dot Com. Jim Guarantee. What's your edges pick? So, readers probably notice the most Democratic primary I'd kept a series of articles on the Democrat. It's twenty things you probably didn't know about each candidate and Fred flights who has worked in the National Security Profession took Rhode. A kind of a day with five more things. You probably didn't know about Susan Rice Susan Rice is being speculated as a likely choice for Joe Biden to be his running mate In fact, by the time you hear this, you may know. This listeners. But who the the running mate is and I'm obviously I would not ordinarily like somebody else coming along and saying, Hey, here's more stuff. Jim Should've mentioned but Fred is a very nice job with us and he lays out kind of like just a good perspective on Rice's duties how she handled it and what it was like to serve under that and all the headaches they made plenty of reasons for conservatives be nervous plenty of reasons for Americans to think. We have a sharp elbowed bureaucrat who is very good at covering her tail but not necessarily getting the job done Read it, check it out and heat it. Hopefully, this will be Oh, maybe this will not be maybe this'll be irrelevant a couple of days but considering I was Susan Rice's probably going to have some job in Abidin Administration. You should read this and be prepared for that eventuality. I think now every time you write one of your things you may not know about I'm going to write a follow up. The says one thing Jim guarantee missed. I presented that I twenty I didn't put Benghazi, and then there's really well you. Benghazi. About Benghazi. You probably didn't know. That's true. That's true. My edits pick is the series of pieces that one of summit interns Luther Able wrote from Portland Oregon. He volunteered to go out there and Witness the unrest and he's been writing it up he went down to. Protest outside a police station. He's spoken to some locals and done a bunch of interviews. All of them are interesting and worth reading and. Well done. Well. That is all we have this week you've been listening to the editors she a national review podcast. I've been filling in this week for rich lowry and the other guests have been Jim Jimgeraghty. And Madeleine Kerns we will be back later in the week with the second episode. Until. Then thanks to the Bradley Foundation on the Clermont Institute and to all of you for listening we will see you next time.