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Chancellor of the University of California San Diego Pradeep Khosla

Technovation with Peter High (CIO, CTO, CDO, CXO Interviews)

19:30 min | 8 months ago

Chancellor of the University of California San Diego Pradeep Khosla

"Welcome to ovation a weekly conversation with people who are shaping the technology landscape. I'm Peter Hi. President of Meta Strategy Advisor Technology Technology Executives Forbes columnist book author and your host each episode of technician features insights from top executives thought leaders at the intersection of business technology and ended notation. If you like what you hear we'd be grateful that you give us a rating on itunes or through. Whatever other sources you use for podcasts? Please subscribe so you. Don't miss a thing. Thank you weakest pretty closely pretty the Eighth Chancellor of University of California San Diego a public university nearly forty thousand students and revenues roughly sleep five and a half billion dollars becoming chancellor in two thousand twelve pretty his roll down the first ever spooky to plan for the university further. He's worked to expand college college access and affordability for underserved populations and enhanced the university's relationship with the community prior to joining UCSD. Pretty was the dean of the College of Engineering Hiring and Philip and Marsha Dowd University professor at Carnegie Mellon University in this interview pretty details the strategic plan. He's lead while he cites that he founded Great University when he arrived he knew it was destined for even greater things he set out to create a vision to realize that goal. We also discuss how the University of California system schools in Iraq racked and share best practices. Why pretty preferred at eight wor strategic plan over a longer form plan why he misses being a professor and a variety of other topics chancellor appropriate to speak with you today? Thank you thank you sir. It's a pleasure so You are the East Chancellor University of California San Diego that's in the role in August guest of the two thousand twelve just for context for those were listening at University of thirty nine. Forty Thousand Sheldon's and rising Twenty thousand employees revenues roughly five and a half billion dollars six undergraduate colleges five academic divisions graduate or professional schools. A University of growing influence and I wonder if you could take a moment and described university you found seven years ago and some of the details tales of the initial strategic plan you put in place soon thereafter right so the university I found seven years ago when I got here was to begin with amazing place. It had a billion dollars. Research Portfolio a twenty twelve. It was only fifty two years old. We were born in nineteen in sixty fifty nine years old. It had more research than some of the top Ivy League schools in the country It had more national cabinet members Uh the many topless country It was about twenty five. Twenty seven thousand students thing Maybe twenty eight thousand zooms in like nearly forty thousand so it was a blaze that had intrinsic strength it was primed for greatness US united said this in many of my talks This university was destined for greatness. It did not become great. It was destined the way this was created. Ruspoli had had to be drained. And why is that because it was created forced to fall for the first couple of years as a graduate only institution and windows created created. The criterion for Hiring Faculty was Nobel laureate or National Academy member of anything less than that wouldn't cut it in we have have the DNA has just propagator child We hire people with the great care to quality I know many any departments would leave. The line's open. If they don't find the right person the right quality and they were not finished for the sake of filling it and I just don't take these lines back act. Just because he didn't fit the repatriates. I think which recycled here. It's really interesting. So Quentin ambitious beginning and an end the dishes in terms of the kinds of the caliber of professors that the organization brought in. I would imagine that any university would love to have that and you've got some some Just before where we start rolling Taking a look gorgeous campus that you have here right on the Pacific Ocean. You've got some good structural things that others can't replicate I suppose. But what what's it whereas I would imagine as I say the university's mission to hire only Nobel laureates or were at the top of their fields. What is it about this university? That's been able to realize condition so I think initially this university game out of a scripts institution of which now griffey which is like if not the top the top due to an certainly the oldest ranked Graphic Institute in the country Director Roger Revile who was the visionary behind the creation of displays. I wanted an academic institution because scripts which not Griffey was primarily. A research institute is like. Sri So he wanted something like a caltech behind it These that's where the story goes into. It was created with that vision in mind so that was a sense of quality that somebody had in mind Mike when this was created a moment to go to the fact that not long after you ride you put together the first ever strategic playmate I keep talking about some of the substance of that right so when I got here like I said this is a great place But it was obvious to me that it was destined for bigger greatness In what I thought was already a very strong platform that we arrived at without any planning it was not clear to me the whereas all the world around me at that time that we could keep on going without planning An end up in the right place so my idea of creating a strategic plan had several components to it one was to provide guiding rails. So that the property of ending of the right place was higher that that if it was a random walk secondly I thought if we could villa plan which people could buy into. They will be energized. More they were they were already energize enough. But in I was gonNA write because the more they got energize. The more focused on doing the right things Anson Anson Last seven years a research has gone from nearly nine fifty million to one point four billion. So we've added more than research in seven years that most students have as their total research budget right and this is no work work. There's nothing I did anything about this. This is all the faculty hiring great people. Great people working hard in writing programs and really projecting a great vision So the whole strategic planning process so the third part of this process was for me to open a window where I could create a very very safe space for people to talk about their dreams or aspirations there's deductions there you know. What are the unhappiness? I could see in this window in about ninety days. I had knowledge were ten years working out here but I held it against. That's nobody I just learned Then I forgot who said what but I just remember the facts that happened to be true right and that has given me I think personally a a great ability to navigate this complex California Public University landscape it also. Uc San Diego as a campus Your role is chancellor. You have the ability to influence end end the part of an ecosystem that has influenced instead. It is really multi headed you mentioned the University of California system arguably the greatest stuff up set Ably Yeah Yeah I forgive to me at all right and of course you have the renowned faculty Russian you have the students you also have a wide ecosystem of donors owners of one of the reasons. Why this institution has done so incredibly well in terms of fundraising and I wonder how do you think about each of those constituent groups in how to divide your time Spending time each of them so first of all anything in everything I do including this interview to me is propagating the message passage of the intrinsic strength in the greatness of this place that's auto and I do it shamelessly Greek prime and once you do that and it is supported by facts and it's supported by a passion of people around you it becomes true and when people perceive it to be true. They WANNA support you because everybody wants to bet on a winning horse And I think It would. We had not done talk about why we were winning all the time. We just assumed that was a case where it was but the world is not that way. So that's amazing. And it sounds seems as though there's really a virtuous cycle that's been enacted here. You talked about the remarkable research and faculty that date back to the arrestees founding We've already talked about the one point. Three five billion dollars e sponsored research as I understand that the seven worldwide for public universities. You must super proud You also second only to UCLA in terms of number of applicants and so in the country in the entire country right United States. In so as I say this virtuous cycle that seems to be spinning round and round right improving with each turn each of those impacting the other to imagine yet there is. I think there are many reasons for the cycle of but I think I may want him inject one point which I think is kind of responsible a little bit too immediate the scientific plan most institutions Van It's like a forty page document. They might make a twenty pages but nonetheless. It's multi attends pages just document it is goals ABCD And some of these goals might be aspirational but nonetheless. The goals like we would be a number of top five in the next ten years or something like that. When we did this plan I decided less was more so the plan was gonNA be more a framework in not a twenty thirty forty base document And the plan was condensed into eight. Words student centered Research focused service-oriented of the university. And the interesting was that everybody who came to work read these. He's eight words. They decided what they meant. The words meant to them in their job and they did the right thing that day that month that year and there there was no top down mandate of students centered means You gotTA manage a fifty every year or interact with forty sorts today. None of that. That stuff right This empowered the staff and the faculty because there was no top down mandate it has become your responsibility to make this better blaze which is a much tougher proposition than me telling you if you work nine hours it will be a better place. Check the box and that's it right. Yeah so this was the uniqueness about this strategic plan in their many institutions that have copied are quote unquote framework. Because this from what I can tell was never done on. Before we're less was more words. Describe the plan and few words so like today if you ask me. What's your vision? It's one word destination so that he's a with a second. What does it mean destination It means for students for patients and for the local community so the first everybody understands what people don't understand what does is it needs to be a destination with the local community and then the answer is a destination for art culture entertainment for broader Sandiego as rich as people think San Diego is in terms of natural beauty and the dollar wealth. It's not quite that rain dollar wealth so I want us being a public institution. Russian doogie accessible significant underserved population out. Here they have never been to opera. They have never been to a dance. They've never been to a music show. I want them to be you you Enjoy all of this on our campus free of cost that's where it really compelling I WANNA go back to the UC system generally only speaking. I'm curious how do the different chancellors of ten universities work together to what extent they are influenced drawn from one another best practices share versus competition between the the the other night all of the above. So every month. We meet We spent a whole day together every month. First Wednesday of every month in Oakland convened by the the president of the system. And this is where we talk about the what's going on in the exchange best practices. It's not just US meeting the executive vice chancellors meet the CFO's meat and all of this is enabled by the president's office and that allows us to share best practices from the chancellor down to the director of admissions multi strategy of sharing practices. Very interesting I I want to also talk about your past. Prior to this role. You were the dean of the College of Engineering in the Philippine. Marsha Doubt University professor at Carnegie Mellon University On the shortlist of one degrees universities in the world and certainly in the discipline of engineering and your specific surprise of electrical engineer. Regan Computer Science Eddie. Eddie reported robotics as well particularly famous. They're all sending Just a remarkable university from a technology perspective. What what did you? What did you bring? Obviously you had administrative experience as a result of being deem you'll set academic credentials were top notch as well. I'm curious what you drop your experiences. This is a professor especially as a professor technology in your in your current role so what I have drawn is the ability not to look at large amounts of information complex situation and extract the problem on say statement and a problem strategy from there so instead of just thinking deeply about issues My view is we think deeply about issues and then we were deeply to solve the issue. We just keep on talking right and I think that is really engineering education especially Carnegie Carnegie Mellon for my PhD. So that's what I learned It was problem. Assad expanded Jesus and understanding how to articulate complex issues into problems that are solvable condense solving that. Yeah it's been quite some time since you were just a professor you vis those days after the do so. When I was a professor I used to teach freshman in and that was the most enjoyable? I used to teach freshmen introduction to electrical and computer engineering and then I would teach graduate. Students Robotics and it was a two extremes creams I am. I actually enjoyed both but I really enjoy teaching freshmen. Because I think it's the greatest pleasure to take somebody buddy fresh out of school and ability to teach them complex concepts that everybody thought dot is impossible to teach impossible to make it easy. That's interesting I know that you've also speaking of Ecosystems I reference or you personally have a strong on consistent in the venture community in startup communities. Well you sound audible organizations and no doubt drawing bass expose ZAC DEMOC and somebody who's involved involved distance world. I'm curious how you remain abreast of developments from that perspective. You must be so pleased that so many of your former students have gone to remarkable things starting some of the great companies. So they've done really well so A. It's not quite as easy to remain abreast on mytalk clan. But having said that I try and let me tell you how I try the first on this campus a joke. But it's actually serious. I have more than two thousand people. Top people in areas willing to give me free tutorials on any topic. I want and I used that very shamelessly I mean I have. I run into faculty s questions. I'm asking asking questions not because I'm doubting their doing. I'm asking questions with Prang alert. They're saying and what they're doing and why they're doing it and because of that From somebody who did not care about biology growing up or did not like organic chemistry if you look at this place. These are the two two significant strengths of the space and life sciences. And I have a lot of these areas very Muslim. Be At that at least understanding understanding the issues in the areas So that's one. Secondly I go to conferences. I meet people the Alumni I get I get engaged with some some one way or the other. One needs to be abreast of developments. But not as deeply as I would like we talked without the university bound seven years ago. Some of the things you've enacted in the results of striking results say many cases actually ahead of schedule or plan address. Progress progress up. Where would you like? Let's say seven years. Hence where would you see the university if you were to accomplish what you so. You're not seven years hands I I think I don't know how to qualify this. But here's what I would like this to be at where I would like it to be. At at a point where the alumni the community own visa who we are intellectually emotionally And physically I can interpret that multiple different ways but when I see that ownership of our our existence from somebody else's point of view then I know that we have grabbed the mindshare That we wanted to grab over time. We become a awesome. Well Chancellor pretty cost thank you so much for joining tech innovation today. It's inspiring to hear all that you've accomplished from your years as an academic damage from your your leadership positions as Dean now as Chancellor Universities Congratulations Invest which thank you and thank you for doing this. Thank you for this the opportunity thanks for tuning in. Please join me next week when my guests will be Steven Schwartzman the founder and CEO of Blackstone and his twenty nineteen comes to a close. I wanted to give a heartfelt thank you to all of our loyal listeners. We recently named feed spots list of top ten must-listen Cio podcast of twenty nineteen. And this would not have been possible without support if you found are content to be valuable. I greatly appreciate it if you give us a ratings on apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you again and happy holidays.

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TAKEOUT OUTTAKE ESPECIAL: JANET NAPOLITANO

The Takeout

09:42 min | 1 year ago

TAKEOUT OUTTAKE ESPECIAL: JANET NAPOLITANO

"From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. That's me, welcome back with Tenley bar and grill for your Tuesday, take out take speciale continue our conversation with genitalia Tahoe. Former secretary the department of homeland security, currently, the president of the university of California system, that means us for university of California Berkeley, UCLA, my hometown of San Diego has a UC school. An excellent scientific college university of California, San Diego, lots and lots of other universities. That's a massive massive job. I wanna ask you, two questions about that job. What is your interpretation of the college admissions scandal? Number one. Number two. There have been recent reports state, Penn State many, many years ago, UCSE of prominent individuals in those institutions sexually abusing students, help bigger those two issues. And when you are university, president of the system is biggest university of California. How much of that those issues take up your day-to-day brain space? So the cheating scandal, actually, we had a now former soccer coach at UCLA who took a bribe and student was admitted pursuant to that, that's in your backyard. So that's right, there UCLA's, one of our schools. And so we're doing our own internal. Audit of admissions. We'd hundreds of thousands of applications every year. We don't do donor related emissions. We don't do legacy admissions, but we do have a category special admissions for athletes performance artists, and the like, we wanna make sure our campuses have appropriate checks and balances to make sure that those special admits are indeed qualified and it looks to me from the outside. If someone looked at that thought of something kind of clever and thought of something that you didn't, or those broadly overseeing this didn't and game the system. Well, look, you know, there was criminal activity, and as far as we can tell at the UC, it's an outlier and, but we want the public to be confident that we turned very square corners on admissions. So we're doing our own internal work to make sure that. If we need to because people have got to believe that system is on the up. That's right. And, and I believe, fundamentally it is, but I think there are probably some areas that can be tightened up a little bit. So we can do that. When you look at the Ohio State, USC Penn State situations institutional problems of sexual exploitation. Yeah. So, you know, you've got to have systems in place where Michigan state also as part of that. Oh, yeah. Michigan state for sure. So you have to have systems in place in a culture. That's that says, when someone is a survivor of a sexual assault. They know how to report it they'll be supported as they reported, they'll get counseling. They'll get advice that. The there will be escalation to the right levels of the university, so that the respond we call the respondent beat a faculty member or another student or what have you. So that appropriate action is taken fairly, but swiftly in those instances, so and the university system writ large behind the times on them. You know, you know, I actually think the Orissa California is a bit ahead of its time, but we had to play a lot of catch up and we're still not perfect. We're still improving in the law keeps changing as we go. So sitting volving landscape that we're operating against right. Very good. So this is the fun game. So there's a little heavy but I there does big issues relevant to your current job. And I don't wanna make sure people know that you're doing heavyweight work now as well as work, you did it to harm of homeland security. So this is the fun games part where we lighten up a little bit and. One of the ways that I do that. And one of the ways that my audience gets a real sense of who sitting across from me at the table is our three threshold questions. Every every guest gets them and the answers are great because they tell a lot about a person, so in no particular order, the most influential book in your life, your favorite movie, or one of your all time favorite movies. And if you're on a long flight or a long drive, what kind of music genre or artist. Are you most likely to listen to? Most influential book. I would. I would say, simple Justice, which is history of Brown v board of education, you know, it also encompasses of the early years of the civil rights movement, and for my audience Brown versus board of education, the landmark supreme court decision that, that disallowed segregated in public separate, but. Yeah, oh overturned Plessey versus. And it's it's a book I read in in law school. It's why I stayed in law school. And. Good book. Yeah. It's, it's a great read. So simple. Simple, Justice favorite movie of. One of the ways I help people with, that is if you're at home, and you're flipping through and you see it, you stop CASA Blanca. We had a lot. Yeah. I bet you do you know. Donna chalet lake identified that favorite movie on this program as well. Gosh, I came to CASA Blanca with the waters cost Lanka's in the desert, I was informed. Give us a dramatic rendering. Well, Janet Napolitano, okay? Book movie what was the third one using oh music fighter long drive? What are you listen to flight long drive? You know what I love opera? Do you hear that occasionally? Yeah. I really do. And. A long drive a little call them in. In my residence, we call it Joe green, which is just. Sepe. Verdy. So we'll, we'll just put a little Joe green. I was not expected that when you when you went to opera is not expecting Joe green, but I see how you got there. Operas sensually as opposed to more popularized operatic versions of plays and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Classical op. So I when I talked to people about opera I tried a couple of times in my life to get into it. I'm sort of still working at it. I don't find it captivating. What is it about opera that moves you? Oh, it's such a great art form. You know, it's, it's, it's music, it's, it's drama comedy. It's orchestral its voice. Beautiful. Staging. It's, it's all the things that go into a wonderful performance when I've been transported in. It's been very rarely it is a place where you can, if you are of the proper frame of mind, and maybe it's just me. You can't get lost in it in a very pleasing way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But for me, it's very hard to get in that frame of mind. I'm maybe I'm to just eighty or something I don't know. Yeah. Tickets slow and. You know, if you if you're beginning oppor-, there's there are some that are. Yeah. Suggests are approachable I would say, LA Boheme or Madam. Butterfly both by seeing. Form live at the Kennedy Center it was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Cozy find to Tabei Mozart might be another one Toscano. Of course. So those are very good. See, that's what we do here, the takeout especia- we have fun games. And we layer it with more information. So now I'm gonna go back and I'm going to jot down some of my notes on opera and try yet again, it'll be the third or fourth time I've tried to penetrate, the what seems to me, emotionally, impenetrable world of opera, but people who love opera say, it's exactly the opposite. It's the most emotionally welcoming place in, in the field of music. Yeah. Yes. And you know I started getting into opera in, in high school. Guests, I guess earlier than most. Yeah. And but I also love classic rock to so I'm not a total nerd. Just just let the record show, but I didn't wasn't able to attend live opera until I was out of college. So I was a little older. There you go. That's Janet Napolitano or special guests this weekend. It's been a pleasure. Thanks so much. Thank you. Made your pickup next week. New episodes of takeout or available Friday mornings, wherever you get your podcasts takeout is produced by Arden Faris. Kateyana Crescenzio, Jamie Benson, and Sarah cook CBS end production by Alexander. Eric SU Sonnen and grey Segers, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, takeout podcast. That's at takeout podcast. And for more, visit takeout podcast dot com, the takeout is a production of CBS News Radio.

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Takeout Outtake Especial: Janet Napolitano

The Takeout

09:42 min | 1 year ago

Takeout Outtake Especial: Janet Napolitano

"From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. That's me. Welcome back with Tenley bar and grill for your Tuesday, take out take a special continue our conversation with Jen and Apollo Tahoe. Former secretary the department of homeland security currently the president of the university of California system. That means us university of California Berkeley UCLA, my hometown of San Diego has a UC school. An excellent scientific college university, California, Santa lots and lots of other universities. That's a massive massive job. I wanna ask you, two questions about that job. What is your terp relation of the college admissions scandal? Number one. Number two. There have been recent reports state, Penn State many, many years ago, UCSE of prominent individuals in those institutions sexually abusing students how bigger those two issues and when you are university, president of the system is biggest university of California. How much of that those issues take up your day to day brain space? So the cheating scandal, actually, we had a now former soccer coach at UCLA who took a bribe and student was admitted pursuant to that, that's in your backyard. So that's right, there UCLA's, one of our schools. And so we're doing our own internal. Audit of admissions. We get hundreds of thousands of applications every year. We don't do donor related emissions. We don't do legacy admissions, but we do have a category. A special admissions for athletes performance artists, and the like, we wanna make sure our campuses have appropriate checks and balances to make sure that those special admits are indeed qualified and it looks to me from the outside. If someone looked at that thought of something kind of clever and thought of something that you didn't, or those broadly overseeing this didn't and game the system. Well. Look, you know, there was criminal activity, and as far as we can tell at the UC, it's an outlier and, but we want the public to be confident that we turned very square corners on admissions. So we're doing our own internal work to make sure that if we need to because people have got to believe that system is on the up and up. That's right. And, and I believe, fundamentally it is, but I think there are probably some areas that can be tightened up a little bit. So we can do that. When you look at the Ohio State, USC Penn State situations institutional problems of sexual exploitation. Yes. So, you know, you've got to have systems in place where Michigan state also part of that. Oh, yeah. Michigan state for sure. So you have to have systems in place in a culture. That's that says, when someone is a survivor of a sexual assault. They know how to report it. They'll. Be supported as they reported, they'll get counseling. Get advice that. The there will be escalation to the right levels of the university, so that the respond we call the respondent beat a faculty member or another student or what have you. So that appropriate action is taken fairly, but swiftly in those instances, so and the university system writ large behind the times on them. You know, I actually think the university of California is a bit ahead of its time, but we had to play a lot of catch up and we're still not perfect. We're still improving in the law keeps changing as we go. So sitting volving landscape that we're operating against right. Very good. So this is the fun game. So there's a little heavy but I there does big issues relevant to your current job. And I don't wanna make sure people know that you're doing heavyweight work now as well as work, you did it to harm of homeland security. So this is the fun games part where we lighten up a little bit. One of the ways that I do that. And one of the ways that my audience gets a real sense of who sitting across from me at the table is our three threshold questions. Every every guest gets them and the answers are great because they tell a lot about a person, so in no particular order, the most influential book in your life, your favorite movie, or one of your all time favorite movies. And if you're on a long flight or a long drive, what kind of music genre, or artists, are you most likely to listen to? Most influential book. I would. I would say, simple Justice, which is a history of Brown v board of education, you know, it also encompasses of the early years of the civil rights movement, and for my audience Brown versus board of education, the landmark supreme court decision that, that disallowed segregated in public separate. Yeah. Oh overturned plus versus. And just it's it's a book. I read. In in law school. It's why I stayed in law school and a good book. Yeah. It's, it's a great read. So simple. Simple. Justice. Favorite movie. Oh. One of the ways I help people with, that is if you're at home and you're flipping through and you see it, you stop CASA Blanca that we had a lot. Yeah. I bet you do you know Donna chalet lake identified that as her favorite movie on this program as well. Gosh, I came to Casablanca with the waters cost Lanka's in the desert, I was missing for. Give us a dramatic rendering just if well, Janet Napolitano, okay book, movie, what was the third one using oh music fighter long drive? What are you listen to long drive? You know what I love opera? Do we hear that occasionally? Yeah. I really do. And a long drive, a little we call them. In my residence, we call it Joe green, which is just be Verdy. So we'll, we'll just put a little Joe green. I was not expected that when you when you went to opera is not expecting Joe green, but I see how you got there. Operas sensually as opposed to more popularized operatic versions of plays and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Classical op. So I when I talked to people about opera I tried a couple of times in my life to get into it. I'm sort of still working at it. I don't find it captivating. What is it about opera that moves you? Oh, it's such a great art form. You know, it's, it's, it's music, it's, it's drama comedy. It's orchestral. It's voice. It's beautiful. Staging it's, it's all the things that go into a wonderful performance when I've been transported in. It's been very rarely it is a place where you can, if you are of the proper frame of mind, maybe it's just me. You can't get lost in it in a very pleasing way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But for me, it's very hard to get in that frame of mind. I'm maybe I'm too just ADD or something. I don't know. Yeah. Take it slow and. You know, if you if you're beginning opera, there's there are some that are. Yeah. Would you suggest are approachable I would say, LA Boheme or Madam? Butterfly both by seeing. Form live at the Kennedy Center it was it was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Cozy find to by Mozart might be another one Toscano. Of course. So those are very good. See, that's what we do here, the takeout especia- we have fun games. And we layer it with more information. So now I'm gonna go back and I'm going to jot down some of my notes on opera try yet. Again, it'll be the third or fourth time I've tried to penetrate, the what seems to me, emotionally, impenetrable world of opera, but people who love opera say, it's exactly the opposite. It's the most emotionally welcoming place in, in the field of music. Yeah. Yes. And you know I started getting into opera in, in high school. Guests, I guess earlier than most. Yeah. And but I also have classic rock to so I'm not a total nerd. Just just let the record show, but I didn't wasn't able to attend live opera until I was out of college. So I was a little older. There you go. That's Janet Napolitano or special guests this weekend. It's been a pleasure. Thanks so much. Thank you. I made your it's been the tickets next week, new episodes of takeout or available Friday mornings, wherever you get your podcasts takeout is produced by Arden Faris. Kateyana Crescenzio, Jamie Benson, and Sarah cook CBS end production by Alex, Eric SU Sonnen and grey, Segers, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, takeout podcast. That's at takeout podcast. And for more, visit takeout podcast dot com, the takeout is a production of CBS News Radio.

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Powering the Globe with 100% Renewables

The Beam Podcast

43:24 min | 11 months ago

Powering the Globe with 100% Renewables

"Uh being podcast. I'm unless you've that's an answer forgetting the editor in Chief of the magazine United People of Climate Action Rear End the magazine headquarters lovely office in an old all ten in house in the middle of Berlin. You can probably hear some echo created by this toll seating. I feel a little bit like we're at a very very important conference the beam conference for sure. We're going to be talking about very important topics in Israel as you might know. The magazine is a tree annual publication that came to life in billion. Well in in two thousand sixteen are ideo and we created the beam was to make the information there on the claimed crisis more accessible where we do is we invite experts and we help them translate their knowledge into a story. That's easier to understand for greater audience. The Vim Unites Change Makers and innovators in the global climate action movement by amplifying their voices out of beam embarks on a completely new exciting journey. I'm so afraid to say this the beam podcast import as here. It's a brand new podcast stressing the urgency of climate action our aim it's to inspire a greater number of people to get involved in fighting climate change and to providers always tools needed to take action the planets that every month we talk. We've global experts about their game changing work. In mitigating the impacts of the clam crisis we talked to innovators who look for solutions to people whose is lives and homes are being threatened and once a month we bring you a themed episode with Free Interviews. We'll be talking about the future of CD's women empowerment government and energy access how defied inequality and leave no one behind in this race to save humankind threatened by changing climate among other topics atrophying. How do you feel about making the beam podcast. I'm very excited. I love cast and when you first contacted me. I thought this would be a great opportunity to reach out to another at at the end and what are your expectations may goal creating the beam has always been to inform more people about the climate emergency because I think awareness is not reversible and want to know about the state of the planets you come to go back in England the issue so the podcast. I really hope that we continue in our mission mission to raise awareness about the issue and reach out to people outside of our bill. I am looking forward to learning a lot about what is really being done on an order to stop climate change how I can help personally but also I can't wait to be inspired by the by the change makers by the organizations and companies which which we gonNA speak to as are you ready. I am. Let's get into it. You're listening to the beam podcast episode one powering the globe with one hundred percent renewables calls atrophy. Why are we even starting with this topic. I thought it was important to start with something that I find quite basic. We need to stock turning pussy. If you'll like yesterday now we know that it's not only feasible but also economically viable to shift one hundred person renewables in all sectors and we have all the technologies available to do so while it's the most important shift we have to do. It's not yet common knowledge so I feel like I've been on a crusade with the beam to make these smart widely known and we have worked with a lot of experts on that topic. One of these experts is president of the Energy Watch group ambassador so there are one hundred percent renewable energy and author of the draft Renewable Energy Sources Act in this episode we also took with Daniel Common Professor of Energy at the University of California Berkeley and director at renewable and appropriate energy lab and we added she's executive secretary at Rent twenty-one an international police network of players. Here's dedicated to building a sustainable energy future. WHO's renewables. Ren Twenty one is it quoted in Paris but we've happened to speak with Renner during our Holiday Inn in Brittany Hi Hello. How are you thank you very fine embracing good. Thank you so much for joining us during your holiday. That's the plaza. Let's start at the very beginning. Is it possible to power our globe with one hundred percent renewables technically it is completely possible to you provide hundred percent entity and I'm specifically on the lying not powering but really providing hundred percent renewable energy to cover all our energy needs beats. I'm insisting on this because we do see that there is very often aecom flation between `electricity power and energy which also means change heating cooling the fuels to for transportation for instance electricity only represents seventeen percent in the total final the anti consumption whereas heating cooling and transfer were present over eighty percent now as technically it's possible. I think what what is the really interesting news. I guess is that the technologies are there already. Yes it is possible if policy and regulate the frameworks works also create the right market conditions the reality today is and this is something which is a main barrier in particular when we're looking being into heating cooling and transferred if that there is still a persisting fossil fuel subsidies and more than hundred ten countries worldwide light am according to the lost the assessment which I only looking actually at the consuming or the subsidies fossil fuel subsidies on the consumption side in twenty seventeen. They were subsidies from three hundred billion. US dollars which increased to five hundred hundred billion US dollars from twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen. It's crazy to me that we continue to subsidize full of years that much when some politicians say that shifting to wonder wonder prison renewable energy would be too expensive. I mean what's the problem here. How do we changed is. Do we need to change the political system. Elect bitter people always the question of how to move a revolution so I think chains mean there is a certain inertia in system and this system is sir building on the economy the inertia of which we are facing goes beyond just the entity system so the norms and taking decisions has been very much framed by a fossil fuel and nuclear thinking depending on the country's now if we want to move in that direction eight information fundamental lamentable influencing policymakers is fundamental and I think here players who are already convinced citizens have a key role to play way they do not only have a key role to play in terms of taking their indecision Francis moving to renewable energy utility for when when they buy their literacy or really making choices to buy. Let's say a heat pump using the bike or public transferred instead of the car car for instance switching out lights being aware off our energy consumption so these are things you can do on the individual level but citizens and NGOs but also for instance energy consuming industries have key role to play by voicing their interest and support for this transition because they are aware of the fact that age there is an urgency to move in that direction but also that there are opportunities to move the direction and by this they can clearly give policymakers also the legitimacy to take unpopular decisions and you so much for saying this because I think too often responsibilities put on individuals so what are the most important things needed today to anchorage the transition to renewable energy and how do you contribute to rent one. It is a important to inform and to raise the awareness for what renewal empty can provide and is able to provide right but also where things are not happening quick enough so as a sectoral disconnect we see between the power sector heating and cooling and transferred we the track for instance information to show that hundred thirty five countries do have power and regulatory policies in the power sector only seventy entity and transferred and twenty heating and cooling this allows us to a and firm about the fact that policies have driven the success in the protector but but also to show that things are not happening quick enough in these sectors so it's really producing knowledge and evidence to Ben informed decision makers so these can be decision makers and the policy space because policy and regulatory frameworks but also empty planning our fundamental so infirm infirm them here. Raytheon awareness for what renewable energy can be but also informed decision makers outside the renewable energy spheres so for instance is an energy consuming sectors like transport sectors buildings industry in cities to show how renewable energy can contribute to their own ongole's so that's one aspect where doing so basically producing knowledge evidence to confirm decision-makers but also tape the energy debate another aspect we're doing because let's say climate change the scientific evidence of their and still we recognize that many the decision makers do not take the citizens accordingly so there is also another barrier which is really this. I guess a denial Nile period we can see when we're talking about changes but also the fact that we moving from an established system to new system that there are interest groups which might lose news or had the impression too loose in this change so here. We're really also trying to assess hello hello. This is make you think about the future for instance and how thinking. MP's norms are influencing the decisions taken into advanced renewable energy so do you think that we need to overcome this. Crisis is a systemic change something that both the extinction rebellion and the Fridays for your drew movements are calling for we certainly recommend to move from a conventional fueled system. NT system to an efficient and renewable renewable based system when Renton on started in two thousand five. I would say like climate was not the priority or the main driver only there are many other reasons to move toward this so obviously the C. Two missions but when we are looking into sustainable development and also developing countries we have opportunities was renewable energy to build up for instance energy infrastructures and much quicker way and address entity excess. It's about building up a resilient system. It's a bad also involving people and communities and citizens in influencing the system we have but also taking or participating in getting the gains of these so very clearly. I think what we see now since a couple of years here's where the scientific evidence is being or there is an increasing awareness is that the climate urgency is accelerating the need for moving from a conventional system to renewable system and I would say like making sure that renewable energy becomes the conventional vengeful fuel of tomorrow yeah making sure renewable energy becomes the conventional fuel of tomorrow that is the most important challenge today and you look into these Ren Twenty one one two thousand nine hundred global status report. What were the main conclusions of this research two messages one which is quite positive the other one. Which is more challenging the first? There's one that when we're looking into the power sector we really see that renewable entity renewable power in particular is a mainstream mm `electricity source so let alone has written slate of hundred gigawatts installed capacities twenty eighteen today select TV. TV and wind is almost everywhere the least cost option when we're looking at an racing costs and this clearly mean that in well well operating markets it is actually not make sense to develop other renewable power capacity than renewable base capacities so in the power sector. It's not a surprise price. I guess what is more a surprise considering the climate urgency here if that the uptake of renewable power even though it is the lease customers there are reliable technologies has not accelerated and twenty eight and this is something which is very much linked to lacking policy and vision and other aspect aspect when we're looking at twenty eighteen and this is probably part which is thing varying if that when we're looking into other sectors in particular into the heating and cooling sector so here we're talking about buildings and industry but also the transport sector the uptake of renewable energy energy is not quick and is still at very low level so and heating and cooling. There's only a share of ten percent of renewable energy not which is covering the total final energy consumption on the sector and then transferred even only three point three percent and that's something in which is which is quite challenging and where it is very clear that policies and regulatory frameworks need to evolve and evolve quickly to replicate basically the success we can see in the power sector just one last question right now. Would you say that you're personally rather hopeful about rb to shift one hundred percent renewables and to a more sustainable modell of society so at Tucson. That's a tricky question. I do trust a lot walk into the human beings creativity and resilience. I see that there is a move because everybody on on the policy side see that climate is a topic we need to address whether they do it because they are convinced whether they do because they feel that it's necessary for public acceptance of their programs but it is there and I think here I see a development I think there is a clear disrupting between avenue avenue area as and cruel and we tend to forget the budgets and that's for instance y in the global states for this year for the first time we had released like things wchs am not moving quick enough eating though we have rather the tendency to be positive about the newlands but he clearly we need to accelerate this Holocene business not there and this makes me not helpful because I do see for instance and global debates and global negotiations also that headcount is still post two hundred ago already committed in Asia for instance. I see that the norm we need to change change are still very very present globally and there is not enough off I think political ambition in with regard to this and that's be- realist nothing. Let's let's be doors. Yes I think being a realist is really important. Being realistic about what opportunities unity's already exists what technologies and solutions already exists and being much more realistic about this but also being being realistic about where we still still need to accelerate things and fostered change so that this transition Israeli hostile runner deep. Thank you very much. Thanks to you so also fee any thoughts on what runner has told us the war Greiner Team mm-hmm at Ren Twenty one is doing is really interesting and quite accessible and you can check it out at rent dot net and I think it's really important to infra cise on what she said about the lack of political ambition right the best thing we can do today to encourage that transition is to vote for people who will work towards these goals as a matter in fact we happen to know a former member of the German parliamentary group alliance ninety degrees who pushed for development in renewable energy sector here in Germany. He pushed so much not too many call him today a father of changes in the German energy landscape. I'm talking about hand fed president of the Energy Watch group. He's an author of the Renewable Energy Sources Act or Eeg a series of German lost. Almost twenty years ago encouraged the generation of renewable electricity. We sat down to talk with us a fell in order to better understand what has happened during the last two decades and to know more about the future of renewable renewable in Germany. Thanks a lot for accepting our invitation to participate in this first episode talk of the Beam podcast. Our topic today is powering the world with one hundred percent renewable energy and thank you for Supporting the magazine since we first started you have contributed effing to almost every edition of our print publication as a really great honor to have you on the podcast today a pleasure for me de Renewable Energy Sources Act. EEG adopted in two thousand was a foundation for technology development in solar power biogas hydro wind power and geothermal energy in Germany to act was adopted almost twenty years ago. I'm in strong political opposition today still not everyone is pro greener. Pena solutions across fields in industries of course. Could you take bag this twenty almost twenty years and tell us about the challenges accompanying the adoption of renewable energy sources act remorse. Go back not the only twenty S. We have to look to forty years. You'll remember we hadn't big movement in Germany and gas owed and NGO level against nuclear power our air pollution against climate change and plenty. More people want to have a solution and they've worked on it. I'm coming coming out of this movement and we organized to first time in one thousand nine hundred of Celeste sensually first decisions on and local level so in my hometown in Hamad book like in pricing often. I feed in tariff for solar power for listener where new to the top. How can you tell us what you mean by feeding tariff in how successfully had been here fit interpretive is the awareness for investors into solar power to go with electricity to the grid and to get and pay mentor it that can make this investment poverty tablet. This was successful not only in sweethearts and plenty as a talented unique. Berg Dumpster. I was invited to do we feel everywhere and this made me well known and I wanted to make an national law about this and Greens voted me elections elections on a good place on the list and so I could come to parliament in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and immediately afterwards I've worked on new all forfeit interior for all the new blenda cheese and fount BEC- supporting is under other members of parliament mostly with Fontana for Renewable Energy Since D. cates and we all together worked on his law and we could adopted in parliament in two thousand. So what kind of criticism did you hear back then. What were people telling you about shifting to renewable energy all my time. I've also else accused to be unruliest. Nonsense renewables could not be enough say cannot bring secure N. that she looked towards the sun into night is no sunshine to told it to me. I learned astronomy under university so it must not ted to me that during nine there is no sunshine. They told me a renewable could not save all over the year I see in my house is haunted presently numerals but invest mattie heart to convince people because the fossils nuclear sector faked faked with interest driven science forms if you to protect our business and this goes on until today exactly the Friday Friday's future movement receives the exact same criticism today. How does that make you feel. I see I not what Andrea list the assets work art they told me Nubile will never become cheap now solar and wind cheap tools of energy and I see nations who have set targets like Costa Rica have achieved it in illiquidity sector and short before it so so it is realistic to do it but what I see is a very problematic thing because of faking verdict would not possible they could limits of speed and now we see this climate warming. Perhaps we are coming to late. One of the main conclusions of your last research that you've done together with the university is how it's not only feasible but also economically viable to shift to award powered by one hundred percent. Listen renewables globally was this surprising finding for you not for me but for plenty people it was a great supplies they could not imagine that's avoiding to buy fuels things and cheap energy and one of the main recommendation of this research is executive. Stop subsidising impressive now. The main advise and political recommentations was a gift to the politicians to come to one hundred percent. New Orleans is to stimulate donates money will flow to clean technology. The best way is to feed in tariff this blinks invest toss into an profitable investment and on the site we see that the business people of fossil and nuclear onto go on visit business but the fight against the newly nubans becomes cheapen jeep so they need support to go on with the business and those goes two governments and Beckham to give subsidies for them as they would lose a coal mining people unsa shops that do not see that we will have much more chops in renewable energy lose in mineral coal and Natural Gas Business and subsidizing now is so high. Fit Tom off co two emission in the world is Habsah dies by hundred stall. Could you tell us how the current power makes looks like in Germany and what the prognosis and attacks look like nick terminate us very successful reserve in Newly Energy Act plenty people millions of people adopted his chances by people depots build it up solar panels on the roofs farmers went to bio-gas cooperative's invested into wind farms and and many others success was so great that this intent years millions of new energy actus took a thirty percent of the business of big four utilities producing fossil and nuclear power and they did not like it and they'll say argued you'd against renewables them at campaign against the new book. It would be too expensive. They've wanted to save said business and Xavier. Successful say influenced medias too influenced politicians now since beginning in two thousand ten. I is a solar power then envious bioenergy and now wind energy says switched very successful fit in tele floor for auctioning auctioning auctioning is a possibility for only big investment that vote utilities can do but no co believe no no farmer no private people and this is an influence then Lee new builds only visit big investors but success in Germany worser decentralize small and medium companies and others now Bahasa declining evening empower SA- first quarter of Cecilia a two thousand nine hundred eighteen been Paula investment in showman ecologist nearly by nine percentage compared visit first quarter last year. We have now forty percent renewable power so no one believed twenty years ago that it could be possible very high success story but German government has a target two thousand twenty five to fifty percent power it it means they want to achieve his target. Say Must Stop the increase of renewable investment and they do it so you cannot learn now from today's government to positions and parliament decisions because it is only driven by support of anti-climate protection detection fossils investment so do you feel like it's the economic arguments that he's going to work in favor of the development of renewables by the the the climate protection argument. Yes it happens all. It plenty Partosa vote look to us. We haven't president in the US A who wants only Colin nuclear men of oil and gas and subsidizing ethic but what happened in USA existing code old power stations are closed because they cannot compete vis vinny power. Visiting nuclear power are closed. They are too expensive compared with renewable power. You'll see the economy is a driver in US supported David with some decisions out come of climate protection a discussion like in California they have not only target this hunter the percents New Orleans they have even low to it far more same Massachusetts how by and so you see then you'll give good support support you can achieve a lot and the great movement and we have to go all over the world to this targets until this politics. What we we see now in California not what Germany does Germany Bossa Fontana in the last day Kate but insisted kate toss a guy. I really like this conversation. We've had with has years of he's. He's so passionate about this topic. I mean since he was a pupil student himself. It's really extraordinary for me. Yes I totally agree and from what he has told us yes we can say that Germany was a front runner in the field of renewables but now it seems like everyone is looking up to California even though trump decided to withdraw the US from the Paris Harry segments. Some states are pushing strongly to achieve their truly ambitious environmental targets correct. One of them is the state of California just like you mentioned Daniel in your common professor of Energy the University of California Berkeley and director at renewable and appropriate energy lab a little bit more about California's drafts renewable. Oh energy thank you very much for granting US interview. Oh It's a pleasure director at rile renewable and appropriate energy levels. What does it mean to create an appropriate energy system for California for us right now with state of almost forty million people committed to meeting the climate goal of entirely phasing out fossil fuels by twenty forty five. That's settled law here in California now. My Laboratory Tori works with the state government to establish targets and then to work on the science of meeting them and so right now our latest goal role is called Senate bill one hundred and it says again by twenty forty five the state should be net zero. We should have no carbon emissions and and for us that will mean converting all transportation two vehicles that have no tailpipe emissions at the same time driving living down to zero emissions from our power sector from industry and so right now the growth of renewable energy in California. Forget has gotten so dramatic that we now routinely meet fifty percent of our electricity demand with solar wind geothermal sustainable biomass energy and with that goal going through one hundred percent we have established targets for electric vehicles that that will get us to about one and a half million electric vehicles by twenty twenty three and we might accelerate that target and so at the research side side one of the big questions is how much energy storage will the state of California need and how much should be electric vehicles or hydrogen vehicles that it can sell their excess power back to the grid and so we use this model switch to plan out what the demand will be. Why would you say the case of California's working taking out that there is a lot to help fighting climate change to help transitioning to clean energy. What does it take to have such a law so what cal forty for his done is really an interesting case of deciding the climate was a lead goal so at California has done starts with the law that was passed in two thousand thousand six called Assembly Bill Thirty Two. It's a bill that I helped to develop with a number of partners and AB thirty two as we call all it were acquired California to move from that point two thousand six by twenty twenty to get back to the nineteen ninety baseline a slide that nine hundred ninety baseline emissions was about twenty five percent less than munitions were in two thousand six and California has already met that that goal so the goal we had achieved by the end of next year. We've already passed that and between two thousand six and today many groups in California cornea including mine but also with the number of think tanks universities add three different branches of California government that all work on energy the water climate legislation have all worked together and so the mixture of policies we have now is really fascinating. We have a cap and trade eight market for carbon emissions and that market has expanded so that we now have formal relationships with Quebec in in eastern Canada and we also have partnered with a state in Brazil gray and with the southern Mexican state they've Chapas naked be part of our market and California also has the law they mentioned at the beginning. It's called Senate bill one hundred and it requires us to get to one hundred percent clean energy by twenty forty five and then actually an executive order signed by our previous Governor Governor Jerry Brown requires Helfer you to go carbon negative after twenty forty five to be a net sink for carbon emissions and while that's an executive order meaning it has not gone through the legislature. It's expected that as we get closer twenty forty five we will move that into law and so oh those pieces are some of the backbone of our climate law but the last one I'll mention is called. Senate bill thirty two and this is one that I think has made the most exciting of all the Senate bill thirty two requires us to meet sixty percent of our electricity demand by twenty thirty from renewables. How `bout you're under COLSON TARGETS IN CALIFORNIA. Our Plan in California is to have one million solar rooftops by the end of twenty twenty and we have a goal up to half a million electric vehicles on the road by the end of two thousand twenty and we're about halfway there now and so whether we exactly meet the million easy goal or not is for some debate but I do look around the world and sort of shudder when I see things like head of BMW saying that electric vehicles don't have market when in fact in California. We've already sold half million. China's goal for the end of twenty twenty is five million. We spoke with hunts user fell. Who probably you know this person. He's the father of the draft of three German renewable energy sources act. Oh perfect perfect. She's a friend I'm referring to him because I would like to ask you how the energy transition looks like and the context of the entire country. We asked hunts. Here's Ed how it looks in Jammie in the United States the state individual laws are particularly important. in terms terms of state by state policy. We really are the United States and some cases less so than the country overall and so what's important in the US is to have stayed examples that really set new high bars so the federal government can look at them and evaluate them and move forward and so under President Obama Oh Baba and I that's the time that I served in the Department of State. We had really taken a lot of the best lessons from individual states such as what's what's going on in California and what took place in New York state around energy efficiency and Wisconsin and Florida and advanced state by State Law aw under President Obama we had passed something called the clean power plan that was to require each state to reduce its emissions by one third word by twenty twenty five on the way to that twenty fifty climate goal of having our net impact to be less S. than one and a half or two degrees C warming but of course we had a unfortunate election in the United States and after Mr Trump was elected. I did resigned my federal job because president trump pulled the US out of the Paris climate accord something I regarded as a horrible mistake. Unfortunately there was some climate movement among certain. US sites which decided to keep on supporting the agreement despite trump's decision. Can you tennis about this the individual states that recognize the importance of climate protection and see the opportunities in renewable energy have moved ahead and so just recently New York state announce day also would embrace the same target is California this one hundred percents clean energy total by twenty of cream forty five and of course as interesting because California and New York a make up about forty percent ascended the national economy so this is quite a significant thing on the world stage recently New Mexico which is part of power market with California announced the same target and a number of New England states are looking at similar things and overseeing the set in the face of not just federal inaction but quite frankly likely federal climates bitty under this current administration. We're seeing individual states really ramping up now. State by state is great but we also recognize that in some important federal ways such as the highway laws and interstate trade in energy we are a nation listen and so one of the vital things is to re elect a progressive thoughtful person to the White House who recognizes houses not only the climate threat is real but also the opportunities to develop a green energy economy will actually generate more jobs which we've demonstrated many. US states you say about the importance of electing a progressive thoughtful person to the White House and hear the citizens business of the United States could soon have an impact. How about other people around the globe. How can we ordinary person on the street support this idea of one hundred percent renewables. How can we Act Now. The biggest thing I say is actually just to become educated part of the process we know technically the economically that clean energy is not only better for the planet but it's better for your individual health and so using carbon footprint calculator calculator or getting involved in local politics or always the most important things but almost all of us either are someone's child or have children children of our own and I really think that the biggest conversation today is listening to the youth listening to the greatest Thune virk and recognizing that anyone who is a wage earner part of society anywhere today is really doing so in a way that impacts our our children in the next generation the most and literally adults of my age. I'm in my fifties are around the planet today. Eating the food off off the plates of our children. We are stealing from them by making the planet worse off when we have the science and the politics and the policies all cs to make the planet better off even if we make the transition to clean energy we need to do so in a way that returns control of Green Green Planet to children and for me that really means recognising the opportunities to lead a low-carbon and the low water compact lifestyle are things that I'm directly giving inheritance to the next generation to my two daughters and that's really where I think that at the opportunity for anyone to make a difference is to get educated and to recognize is how much better the planet will be. Our children will be when we move have to clean energy. What do you think about everything thing that Daniel has taught me. I think it's really interesting to see that some of the US states kind of revolt against trump's decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement and choose the local leaders can also take a step further in shifting toward without fueled. I feel like now I know much more about the possibilities powering the globe with one hundred percent renewables and I also see how vital it is to look at transportation and heating and the significantly small number of developments there when we compared the the numbers you know with development and building green power plants and so on and what we have heard from Daniel gives me also a lot of hope not only when I think about the future of California in the United States but also the transition to renewable energy on a more global should I say yeah definitely and I think many people in the US us but also all around the world are supporting this transition and once again. The only thing lacking here is political action. It's so frustrating to know that we already have all all the tools in hand. All the technology is here. We have so I guess might take from. The first episode is that we really to vote for bitter. People and go vote take our political leaders accountable for their actions. They do need our vote so if we showed that awards powered by one hundred percent and renewable energy is what we really want. They will be encouraged to work towards that goal because they want to get reelected rights. Yeah absolutely agree in the first episode of the PODCAST is behind us. We hope you've enjoyed listening to this very first episode of the beam podcast as much as as we actually enjoyed recording it right we did yeah. I did read a deep hands. Here's a Felon Donna common word this month's guests but is just the the beginning remember. We have amazing voices our next episodes. 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Does it shock you a little bit when you think back upon those three world series without Rome's all due respect to what happened in two thousand and one and in eighty nine I consider myself pretty fortunate guy because I was involved in three world series that were like as you you say you need aiding and of course we got kicked by the as and and we had a chance and extra innings and in ninety seven with Cleveland to win it and and couldn't get it done and then finally in two thousand one we were the underdog and and beat the mighty Yankees so anytime you've got the Johnson and schilling going for you got a pretty good chance but unique experiences and something that you play for seventeen years or twenty or fifty a hundred years if you want to and you never get those those chances to do something like that so pretty fortunate Guy and able to experience all of that Matt when I think about the two thousand one world series in New York especially those games when the Yankees came back to force it back to Arizona and everything anything and everything that was going on it. Can you give me some insight about the emotionalism applying in New York after what happened on September the eleventh there's something in Yankee Stadium and I don't know what it is but there is no no possible reason logically that they should have won those games. It just shouldn't have happened. We've got closer that has been fantastic all year long and it takes a home run to beat your home run to tie it and they got it done new talk about out mystique and all of those things but there's something there and it is being Yankee. Stadium is baseball heaven and we all know that and and we were too excited to be there and be part of it but he was a little rough having those games go the other way when we had it in control you know again again if if we come home and when he was game six it's all over with a little bit more bitter taste in your mouth but it was a if you win you look back on it and say God what a great experience and we were able to do that so we can do that at that point and but there's something there mystique mystique is definitely there. I don't know if it's the bay or else but it's I mean there's something there that that list those Yankees and boy what a fantastic feeling put on the pinstripes and have that with every day yeah we only have thirty seconds left but after that seventh game you win the world series what was the single most I moment that stuck in your mind over that world series meant home plate and haven't J. Delvin from third to home. You know we were the two some of the original guys there and have it's happened so quickly. you know Jay gave a lot and I gave up a lot to go there and to have it fulfiled is the culmination of anybody's career so we were happy to be part of it and happy to help help our team win it man. I want to thank you for the time I hope you'll come back when we can spend and a little more time because I enjoyed you when you were with the giants and I would like to continue our conversation again. Thanks Matt Williams Third Baseman played with the giants Arizona Arizona and the Cleveland Indians. We'll take a break as we continue across the country and around the world with you on America's sports talk show it it has been said that everyone has a book them but you have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. 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Here's Ron Bar check of the scoreboard first of all in the National League the mets beat up Arizona eleven to one as they went long ball on Arizona pitching coaching hitting six home runs in the four-game sweep of the series the mets outscored the d backs in those four games twenty six to four Milwaukee Edge Miami three two hoop bronze two run home run extended mile walkies win streak to seven games and it was bronze nineteen th homer of the year Saint Louis Double Digit Colorado tend into three Fowler and Wong hit back to back home runs Osuna Rebelo and Baiter also went deep cubs over the San Diego four to one the wind goes darvish. He had a strong game he allowed just two hits over six innings and struck out fourteen half drove in two runs for the cubs and also Pittsburgh doubled up San Francisco. Go four to the final there must grow threw five shutout innings and he had a triple pirates have won fourteen out of the last twenty games over on the American League side. I'd a sweep by the Yankees and a double header in the first game they beat Detroit tend to four but encarnacion was heard in that game after hitting his thirty thirty four th home run and then in the nightcap they suffered another injury and beating the Tigers sixty four cents Sanchez injured and the loss goes to turn bowl for Detroit Detroit thirteen an excuse me three and fifteen and also Kansas City doubled up the white sox six to three hundred dosier hitting a tiebreaking three run homerun to win at Kansas City is one eight out of eleven and that you sports update. We love watching sports but these days it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games games now with a new sport flip APP. You receive real time customized notification so you know when you're games are back after commercial break period change or rain delay download sport flipped from the APP store today and watch more Sports Russell. Y joins US on sports byline. I came across a recent story was headlined. He stayed in School X. Cal Star is glad he did although it cost him and it's about a young man who came in as a prop forty eight athlete at the University of California stayed he could've left after his junior year in a first round Jat Gat draft choice in the National Football League and I think it's a story worth hearing Russell good to have you here on sports byline. have me talk to everybody about how football in your life at a young age well at the age of six I started playing football and being the nephew of heisman trophy winner Charles White a lot of things were expected of me. Every time I put on the uniform and play football there was like a ghost that I had to chase now with my uncle because everyone everyone expected me to be the the number one guy and next do next one to lead the team or the future players of my you know Valley I play for and it was just a lot of pressure placed on me at a young age and follow me all the way through high school and college type of pressure early in your life. How did it manifest itself Russell manifested itself by being good you know it just I was? I was a good player. I was around two coaches and whenever I played the game I played well and it was just the image of a heisman a young heisman trophy winner. Also you mentioned about the fact that you're under a lot of pressure academically. What were you like as a student as you were growing up playing football probably about a cease to you know I would see students and teachers always label me that Lazy Kid labels placed on the kids today and I mean I didn't know I had a learning disability? The teacher didn't have a learning disability and that's pretty much how I went through my grammar school junior high school and high school day you did you feel abandoned in any way that people didn't look beyond that to find out what the reasons are. The causes might have been looking back on it now. I I would have thought you know if you're an in English teacher and you see a kid in the ninth grade or even the eighth grade and he's not really writing up to his level. You know I would think something will come along and your mind saying maybe this kid needs some and help. It is so easy to say he's lazy and he's just not doing it so we know about Dexter Manley in the fact that he was kind of passed on by the education system. What was that like for you because you played football? Did they pass you along to some degree instead of giving you the help you need it. I feel as though some of it was my part and I've always stated dated that some of it was the schools part that I tended you know I'm not saying I went there every day with my thinking cap on ready to do what I needed to do and like I said if your teacher and you notice that a kid wasn't right at the level in which you would then something must be wrong. One of the things that I think is interesting. Sports Sports tends to be abandoned for some things and I think you know as you excelled in football. That probably was the thing that gave you self esteem. A Very Young Age did indeed at fortify you in in that manner. Oh yeah definitely football was definitely that my answer to everything that people questioned me about I knew once I got on the football that I was invincible and that was the attitude I carry with me. All the way through high school through college is that you may talk about me and I'm not the greatest student. I'm not this this but you put me on a football field and I'll show you how good I really have a lot of people debate about the right and wrong of labeling somebody a prop forty eight student were your thoughts when you were labeled that when I finally realized that that's what I was going to be at the University of California Berkeley and listen to some of the people around and no one never really came up to me to say Russell you don't belong here but the this hearing stories and people saying you don't belong here it was more more or less the fuel for my fire and I knew the only way that this fire would burn out that I had to graduate. Yeah that's interesting you say that because a lot of people would not have had the fortitude to be able to fight that sort of thing once they've been labeled I mean there was nothing along the way since this happened to you also at various other stages of education I'm really impressed with the fact that you were able to see that in overcoming well I look at it as just not bringing. I looked at it as the sport sport. I play you get knocked down. You know and you get back up. Come back and play another down and that's the way I took. It and it's like I'm just knocked down right now but I'm GonNa get back up and when I get back up people will know people will realize that I'm not here just because I'm an athlete. I'm here because I I wanna be something in life and that's how serious Mary sexually my education. I could've went anywhere in the United States have been a prop forty eight. I couldn't went to the big ten Nebraska Oklahoma but I chose the University of California because I knew knew that I needed to get my academic life a lot better than what it was yeah you want said all the pressures the stigma of being a prop forty eight the fact that some said a cow that they lowered their standards for me. That wasn't going to make all these things. Come back in your ear some professors didn't I think it was right that I was there. That fueled me. was there a particular incident in those years that really to this day kind of stigmatizes. You bothers you about what was said or done. there was a professor names won't be mentioned. There was a master at the school who basically talked about me throughout his whole class in the semester and I really never met the guy never sat down with him and it was just the fact that you know he should. I felt he should have came at me as a as a young John Mail in this situation I was in used me as are used his knowledge to help me instead of used me as an example. You know better himself. Let's talk about your college. Rushing career. You set the cow bears rushing record with three thousand three hundred sixty seven yards followed by Chuck Muncie at three thousand fifty eighty two yards and the first time. You've touched a football at cowes memorial stadium what happened Oh nine nine yard. Miami was right down. I wish wish they'd would that be the north east last sideline home sideline and it was a cutback across the green and into the end zone memory like it happened yesterday. I didn't really understand at the time the magnitude of what I had just done and it took me some years since I've been out of the game to realize what did and here you know like you said talking about pressure and everyone who's Berkeley Alumni Numbness Bliss WanNa see what they thought they lowered their standards for. Let's see when we got here. What what's the product we give up to get this guy and here I am running down the sideline that gives the number one team in the country for nine nine yard? Touchdown was your college of playing experience bittersweet I would say my college football career was for the most part I was saying was a sweet. I don't think it became bitter. Uh until you start getting ready for the NFL you know senior year getting propped up for that fell and all that before my sophomore and in my junior year and even in my freshman year I felt the university handled me very well with those people who really put their jobs on the line to take me I I felt that they held know me very well. During those three years and I will say it was sweet more than a bitter while the reason I asked that question was Bruce Snyder of course was your coach in the initial initial going but then he left to go down there is a state and Keith Gilbertson arrive in Youtube never saw I'd what happens between player and coach when that doesn't workout. I think you'd have to look at the university in which you attend you know this is the University of California Berkeley you can't bring ideals views of Fresno state or the state or any other state to a University of California California is a is a Macadamia academic institution. You know there are things there that you can't do you know I can't go talk to the professor and asked him to excuse me from an upper upper level class because I have football practice and here I was a prop forty eight and this is the only time I can take this class during football practice. I'm not gonNA miss. This class laughed. I'm too close to graduate and that's something that I had to do for the players behind me. Because the following year everyone who was a senior who had classes couldn't miss his practice with the first year you couldn't so it was just those things that you know made us not sheet either when you we've got forty five seconds before we have to break but when you look back on what it takes to be able to adapt and become both a big time athlete and also big time student at a big time university briefly exactly what what are the major things one has to do high management yeah. I've heard that before management is the biggest key to become that type of student athlete. You GotTa manage your time in a way that you know to the last two the second where you have to be what you have to do. Appointments you have to make tutors you have to see papers do new test to do midterms and do you have to manage your time and you also have the demand the football hold on Russell Russell White has joined us and you will talk about his decision not not to jump to the NFL early and how he feels about that decision and what he is doing today with kids we take a break as we continue across the country and around the world with you on Sports Sports byline honey switched the family to boost mobile and we got so much more awesome like what we got four free. LG Stilo five phones for the whole family four lines for just is twenty five dollars per line per month with unlimited gigs. I smashed up the car and they have a super reliable super fast nationwide network. Oh for free. 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Come on I guess after sitters Bo I just been diagnosed with dyslexia so school had just become fun to me and I was enjoying learning and there was never thought to go to the NFL for the simple fact that you know anything can happen. I was too close to a degree and if I went to the NFL I would have done what people thought I would do when I first went there. Is that the first chance he gets to go to the NFL he will he will not finish degree. He will not get a degree from University of California Berkeley. He's going to jump to go to the. NFL is the difference between Russell White and the decision he made and others who make the decision to to leave early and Gopro is because you went into the educational process into the University of California with a death different set of desires and expectations vacations. I would say so and I I always say this that the decision I made at that time was the best decision for Russell White. There are some people out there who came into college with different labels are not no labels and the decision the job early is good for them and their family but one my my mother was not you know in my ear talking about a new house near new car and yeah we struggled coming up but she was mainly concern what you get that degree. That's my I million dollars. That's my signing bonus. That's my nfl to see my son graduate from the University of California at Berkeley and my mother taught me you do not start something. Women don't finish it. I started on academic trail and I'm going to finish it and I know if I were to jump in the NFL and had twenty million or ten million or a million dollars in in a bank. It's going to be very hard to get us to go back to class so in other words no matter how the contract would have been it would not have been valuable as your word in your commitment to finish what you we started there you have it. You know what I find. Also interesting Russell is is that as you know a lot of kids believe especially ones that have good athletic common that that they can make it they are going to be bulletproof and they can make it but yet you made a statement. One time you said first of all who's to say I would have made it if I had come out as a junior. That is an awfully mature statement for somebody that we don't hear in kids today. What's the difference between Russell White and that belief and what we are hearing from kids today who believe they're gonNA make it? thing about it is that you have so many examples out there now you got these highschoolers jumping from high school go to the NBA you know and they see this money thing. Everything evolves around money now. I got to have the biggest car. I got the buy Mama House House I got to do all these things in there is no guarantee that you're going to get all those things the one thing my mother said and heard example me not going with that. Hey say you do goal was to say you know how to manage your money. WHO's to say you won't be broken? I know you know that there are a lot of athletes out there. Today who have big names who claim bankruptcy yeah no doubt about the the thing that I find interesting about all of that is is that generally speaking if you sign come out early and sign on you got enough money to go back and get your degree at anytime at why not make that decision if indeed you're motivated to get an education. Won't you get that education at some point anyway way. Russell people can't say that I like. I said earlier that was decision for me. I'm no I wouldn't have came back. I wouldn't came back. Most people like Shaq did it. He eventually eventually got his and I guess it's just that motivation that you gotTa have the do it but I know Russell White. I know if I had money in my pocket I could be doing a a million things than sitting in a classroom and that's what I knew and that was the reason why I said No. I'm GonNa Finish what I start because I know that if I leave now I'm not coming back and you know once again Ronn. Those people who have left have never returned. Tell me what graduation day was like the University University of California for both Russell White for his family for his friends and particularly for his mother. I will tell you this that was the highlight that was the the best run I've ever done in my football life and it was only about five five yard walk to see my grandmother I and my mother the two most important people in my life at that time who've been with me from day one when I was five years old and seeing the struggles that I went through and riding away that I would do to football through academics detract through life for them to be there and to see what I had accomplished was list the best thing ever and I encourage kids if you've never been to college graduation it's the best thing and I feel that. Most parents know that if my son or daughter was to ever graduate from a university that makes them look good because you represent your parents in life and that was the bottom line and I knew that hey this was a great thing for me. It was a great thing for my family and everything else would fall in you want said I wouldn't change change anything because school was definitely good for me finding out about my dyslexia and knowing I could be productive in society if I had gone to any of the school. I don't think I could've achieved that type of knowledge in that is saying a lot Russell and that's why I've always said the school was good to me and I if they ever called me for anything anything. I'd have to be there for them because they not only helped me in in school but they helped me in life you know as well as I do that there are those does that feel that athletes are used and abused almost in a sense people think that they're going to be guaranteed and education but a scholarship indeed doesn't do that. They're one year scholarships in a sense to you. Feel feel that the college athletes because it is big business college sports that they are indeed used and abused are you the exception to the rule say some argues and abuse less beyond their big money deals out there and let's be honest just because you have a degree doesn't guarantee you job and I feel as though as long as you out there running that ball or shooting at basket or whatever you may doing in these schools are reaping big business from you. I think they should chip you know respectively stuff. I'm not GonNa they give them big hundred thousand dollar contracts but I think the actual scholarship should add a little stipend and I mean I'm not I'm only talking. Maybe two or three hundred dollars. I'm not talking about an extra thousand or an extra two thousand a couple of hundred extra food for college student and makes a world of difference. Let's talk about your pro career. Are you did stay through the full four years at the University of California you did get drafted in the NFL but you went into the third round to the rams and really didn't play very long in the national football falling just that one season what happened when you finally went there and how did they view you. After you graduated as compared to your junior year when you were expected to be a first round around well experience was ourselves very ruffling for the simple fact that you go from being a number one draft pick to a third round round draft pick and you don't really know why of course a lot of it has to do with your record but you know I weighed the same ranch name. Did everything the same and you just don't realize is why will okay. I was the first one year now third but going to the rams and they draft and Jerome Bettis in the first round and drafting me in third. It was just I guess a divorce waiting to happen from day one because excuse me I never really felt like I fit in where I was. Were you know with the rams. I was always on the bench and me being a competitor. I wanted to play and we had a foreign twelve record and we were losing like okay. We're losing and I'm still not playing so I became very how would you say it's not interesting you know and a lot of people would say how do you feel how do you be not not interested in the NFL. I said I just felt like you know I was there. I was just body in the moment. They released me. I thought it was a great name because okay now you get a chance has to go somewhere else and do something else but I sat out the ninety four season Ninety six ninety five on me and I went up the Green Bay perfect situation led the League in preseason rushing and ended up leaving after three games. You know they just gave aggravated a big deal. Oh and that didn't work out for me and ended up sitting out going over to the World League and it just was a dry run on as far as my professional football career went and to be honest with you. I don't know why it didn't work out when you take a look at professional football. What is the thing that most those fans don't understand? Is it the business aspect of it and that sometimes you may have talent but it doesn't mean it's always going to be shown to come out. I I would agree and I mean this is probably a big statement and this is probably the old Russell why talking but at the time I came out to the rams I refuse to believe their own best was a better tailback than me. How do you feel now that he's been in the League for such a long time timing? Look and God bless but no regrets that you've we've taken the path and gone down the path that you're currently no I mean I don't want people to get the wrong idea that you know Russel's sour no football was good to me. I had a good time and you know I got to see the world got to see different places. You know heck. I got a chance to play in the NFL. You know play with some players that are going to be hall of famers so so it was a good run for me and I'm not bitter. I'm not mad. I'm not upset. I have a great life now. I'm doing what I WANNA do and it's just great you want said I'm not happy unless I'm on the fresh cut grass cleats on pigskin in my hand and you're doing that now. Aren't you head coach down on here in Palm Springs Desert Chapel High School Small High School of about one hundred kids and it's just beautiful thing the difference is I gotTa get used the plan eight-man instead of they know who you are yeah. They're they're slowly finding out who I am. When you know when Alex called down there and said you know I want to do the interview review with Russell and you know they start? Hey what's going on and then when I got inducted into the hall of fame a couple of the parents were around me when I got that call so they're slowly but surely starting figured out I gave some parents some of my old highlight reels from high school and college and they just like okay you real deal. You Ain't plan you play and I mean they started to get a feel for where I'm trying to go and you know where I've been. What type of message do you want to give them? I'm through the experiences that Russell White has had that they may be able to carry on the better prepared to deal with the same things that you had to the biggest thing that I'm always going put against if these kids and preach to them is that you got to have an education you gotTa have some type of knowledge. I'm not saying college for everybody. You can go to computer school trade school. Whatever ever it may be but you gotTa have some type of education? I mean football night. You know basketball whatever sports you may never guaranteed but the big can get you a four four year scholarship or you said one year scholarship and possibly another three then go forward because you know no parent really wants to pay for their college. You know the kids college tuition so if you can get a free one go forward and that's what I tell them all the time. It's like you need to get into a college and become mm some productive but now you've got these high schoolers jumping from high school to go to the NBA you know and they see this money thing. Everything evolves around money now. Oh I got to have the biggest car. I got to buy Mama House I got to do all these things in there is no guaranteed. You're going to get all those things but the thing that I'm also going to be teaching them to be good good people now. That's what's important Russell. It's been a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing it with people around the the world here on sports byline. Let's stay in touch my friend and if you come up to the bay area come on in the studio one night and said with me I will be up there fairly soon and I will call you. We'll come and sit in the studio back. You Take Care Russell to Russell wide you went to the University of California was paid but went on and got his degree and as he said I wouldn't change Jenny thing because school was definitely good for me finding out about my dyslexia and knowing I could be productive in society if I had gone to any of the school. I don't think I could have achieved moved that knowledge. We'll take a break as we continue with more view and sports byline attention to anyone. That's written notebook a wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated. Take a first step. Even if you write a page a day you build momentum and your book will become. I'm a reality. The hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call page publishing. 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Thanks to Lebron's two run home run also Saint Louis beat up Colorado ten to three Fowler and Wong hitting back to back home runs to open up the game and then Zuma on Ravello and Baiter also went deep cubs four one better than San Diego the wind going darvish he allowed. I'll just two it's over six innings and struck out fourteen Pittsburgh doubled up San Francisco for the final. There must grow threw five shutout innings. He had a triple. The pirates of now won fourteen out of twenty and Philadelphia picks up a win over Atlanta nine five two run home run in what turned out to be a three run eighth was the key to the fills victory American league side New York takes a double header from Detroit but it was costly they win the opener ten four the nightcap six four end Carnasciali was taken out of the game after hitting his thirty four th home run with an injury and Sanchez was injured the nightcap Kansas City a six three win over the white Sox sox hunter dosier hitting tiebreaking three run home run to win this one Boston seven four better than Toronto Red Sox jumped out to a four nothing lead and Holt drove drove a couple of runs in that one and also one other final four year the dodgers doubling up Baltimore that final four two and that's your sports update. We Love Watching Shing sports but these days it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games now with a new sport flip APP. 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Ron and Mississippi state looking pretty good here for Joe Moorhead early early Tommy Stevens the Penn state transfer quarterback heard a little bit. He's supposed to go in this game but a bigger story at Kansas State now Chris Clean and the new coach they're taking for Bill Snyder. There's some big shoes to fill claiming did that. That North Dakota state filled in for Craig Bohl after he went to Wyoming and all Clinton did was keep winning. FCS championships there they it looked really good. The first couple of weeks and the ball state transferring back Gobert is really playing pretty well. I think this is going to be a tough game from Mississippi state to win and maybe it gets flight upset here Kansas State at team to watch thirty one twenty six call the wildcats in Starkville. I know you're very high on the air force and so they go up against Colorado. There's slight underdog. How do you see this one? Fascinating match up on these teams used to play a lot back to long ago but every place in thanking seventy four so nice regional rivalry get rekindled. They're playing in boulder this guy air force. I've seen Troy Calhoun dude this before when least expect to combat the big year ear they were. They should have been better than five and seven last year they lost very close games including the game to army and a couple of others that teen easily could have won eight or nine games last year they I think they have a playmaker at quarterback for the first time in a few years Donald Hammond real big play threat and it's an experience defense. They're also pretty good against the run last year which which is a pretty stout upfront so better air force defense than usual. I'm still not sold on Colorado and that was exciting win over Nebraska last week but this defense is less something to be desired and I really don't uh good Nebraska was also a short week for Mel Tucker to prepare for this air force option slight upset in Boulder. We're calling the Air Force Twenty six twenty four Stanford doc beaten last week soundly by USC. They had their backup quarterback in there because of an injury and this week they hit the road to take on U. C. F. and and I really think they're going to have a problem with this team. Yeah I do to Iran and you're wondering about Stanford. They are gonNA come back this week and that's a plus but they're down down to tackles. Including an all American left tackle so try so that's not good. I'm not sure about their big playability this year. I think they're gonNA miss. Jj The whiteside who is now in the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean he was a big target for Costello last year. Just throw the ball in the air. Go up like a basketball player and get it and bryce level. He was hurt some last year. They didn't run a lot last year and it's been spotty thus far in twenty nineteen as well and the defense lacking playmakers and then you gotta pressure the quarterback back a bit and they didn't do any of that against USC streak so they're in trouble down here. you see out this feeling good. They got three quarterbacks they can use. I think they're all going to be healthy this week. That Freshman Gabriel really goes last week and they've only won twenty four of their last twenty five games so tough spot down in Orlando for the trees forty two twenty seven. We're taking UCF in this yeah number. Two Alabama shouldn't wouldn't be challenged too badly by South Carolina because the gamecocks are big underdogs in this one yeah they are and you know it's interesting though when we were down there for sports byline minded SEC media days and hoover in July if there was one game that Nick Sabin talked about more than any other on the schedule or not it was this one maybe because it was the first sec game game but also because they're out on the road here in the last time save and took Alabama to Williams Brice Stadium they were upset by the gamecocks thirty five twenty one back in twenty ten differences though in two thousand nineteen one Steve Spurrier not on the South Carolina sideline anymore. That's a big difference too. Well must champ is on the sideline. He's a former state. Aid and snow saving aid has ever beaten the nicktator so I think there's some things that make us believe Alabama can run away this week. They're going to try to keep pace with Clemson. Send the freshman quarterback Alinskyites Nice story for him at South Carolina. We're getting to that later in the year but this chapter might not end well on a Saturday forty five ten Bama I think they keep they keep peyser as a Clemson and saving a tone that lost nine years ago at the site and USC often pretty good start. They look good in their first two games. They're going to get a challenge as they go on the road against Byu. I you know I think stuff going on here. USC Lynn Swann forced out his eighty this week and the thought there is any school president and so they're going to unravel unraveled this thing piece by piece Kinda. Did it Nebraska a few years ago. The FART is higher new. Let him hire a new football coach well. Let's see if if clay Helton can you messed up those plans a bit on frozen nine or ten win season here his freshman quarterbacks love is in for the injured Daniels like really good last week Stanford didn't pressure him but if you don't pressure s these quarterbacks even the freshman slow because he's GonNa pick out these receivers who can move after the catch one thing though this is not playing quarterback making his first college start like Stanford and Fresno state past two weeks Zack Wilson very resources. Byu And you talked about a thrilling last week coming back in the last minute to tie last-second against type industry with the big pastime wanting overtime huge win for Kalanick's Ataki who knows defense. He's GonNa put pressure on this week and let them stand there in the pocket I think. Byu got some momentum. I'm here. They're not that bad twenty seven twenty four calling the slate upset for the cougars in Provo on Saturday night those interstate battles are always interesting and almost put a you know flip a coin and in in this case it's number eighteen Iowa and Iowa state. How do you see it? It's a good one here Ron and I keep an eye on Iowa here. Maybe I think too. I like that Campbell the coaching awful lot there and this is also probably the this is the biggest Iowa Iowa state game the best match with these two say resume this series in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. I'm Donald Duck to remember they didn't play each other every year and they certainly in the state legislature to get them together forty two years ago but since then this is the best match up I think and and I always had the advantage the last couple years in fact they won four straight kirk chance done a really good job there as usual that defense is robust ape in Asia the defensive end one of the best pass rushers in the country last year. Don't forget what some NFL bound weapons on that Iowa's offense to cyclones only scored three points and lost the game. I'm at Iowa City Nate Stanley Iowa's quarterback also getting the attention of NFL scouts he's big as a strong on and he's got some receivers who can catch this team. Watch him here. Aren't they. Win This Game Iowa Iowa and then get Michigan and a couple of weeks. They can make a run up the final four twenty four Seventeen Iowa. I'm keeping my eyes on the Holocaust shift and Florida ranked number eight goes up against Kentucky Kentucky has certainly improved over the last couple of years and I really think that Kentucky could make a statement in this game they might and you know I think is interesting. They had a lot of guys graduate from last year. Including the top running back then he snow and Josh L. The linebacker first-round pick the jags in lucky they might sag a little bit but if you look at the recruiting that Mark Stoops has done there I mean he has spread that net further than just Kentucky and Ohio which is where he used to get us out of state players players from the tidewater now into the Carolinas it up the talent pool there and they started off pretty good with a couple of wins over some good Mac teams now their quarterback Jerry Wilson got hurt and he's out for the rest of the season now so the backups Sawyer Smith they lay transplant from Troy and you should've seen how happy stoops wasn't summer after this young man just transferred in. I think he believes Smith can fill the billy can throw a better than Wilson and they might need that however east facing Todd Grantham Defense Call Florida very much pressure from the edge here and until last year and the rockets for the upset they hadn't beaten Florida since nineteen eighty six so there's some serious trends here that work against a Kentucky and we think probably lent edged Florida thirty one seventeen gators but the like you and you think Kentucky is going to be heard before the end of the year in John. I was watching the game between Texas A and M. and Clemson very impressive Clemson team this time they go up against in Syracuse and you know they've had trouble with Syracuse. Is this twenty seven point underdog legitimate well. You're right. They had trouble they lost Austin here two years ago and I wasn't expected either Mary Twenty three point underdog on one that thing last year twenty five point saver almost lost now the game last year Clemson that was the week that DAB on named Trevor Lawrence is starting quarterback Kelly Bryant left the program that week and then Lawrence got hurt the first quarter that game so they're down there third quarterback who ended up pulling out the game late but it was a hair raiser and they've had trouble searches the last couple of years I don't not they're going to blow your use out of your. I know the orange got ripped at Maryland last week. which is a much improved team Tommy Devito the quarterback has been there dino babies usually get your team to play well and like so you mentioned they've played pretty tough? They're not going to win but I don't think they get embarrassed. The carrier Dome Forty Two twenty three Clemson should be enough to keep the Tigers number one but Syracuse accused my out of their cell phone Saturday okay and one more number four Oklahoma they go on the road to take on. UCLA which is yet defined victory yeah boy they could music and I don't think it's GonNa come this week Ron. They're looking at another slow start there three and eleven overall since chip Kelly got there this is not working out as planned at Ucla the offense. It's just not doing anything they ranked near the bottom of the nation and all relevant categories they just got to be able to to maintain possession of the ball getting out possession about thirty eight to twenty Jill minutes each game and this is really a dangerous spotting is Oklahoma and Jalen hurts Obama transferred quarterback who might be the front runner. Wouldn't that be something Lincoln Riley went three three heisman in a row at three transfer quarterbacks in a row Let's take let's take a Oklahoma here forty nine twenty take the sooners in this and what are you have this week for all our Sports Sports Bein on USA listeners. Thanks Ron check us out online at gold sheet DOT com. We got a special offer all of our publications. That's the gold sheet. CTO CONFIDENCE OR KICKOFF Andy Goal Cheat Extra Tech Player of the week. They're all for one special price. CHECK US OUT GOLD SHEET DOT COM my picks up there also vegas inside on dot com. Don't forget our don't she'd. NFL NFL picks up to a nineteen and three start Fisher wow well we'll check up with you on Friday to take a look at the NFL take care my friend. 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How do you think that is different from somebody who never strapped it on and played say professional football well I think it is helpful but obviously they're successful president across the league that never played in the NFL but I I think just having an understanding and appreciation of what the players go through you know and really quite honestly they haven't been an electric for you know the sixteen years I really work worked very closely with coaches and all different sports so also have a good appreciation for kind of the pressures and the issues intentions that coaches faces as well and you know but still you know I've I've got a job to do and you know my playing? I think is it's helpful and I enjoy it and I think in some ways yeah it is helpful. You know where it was. I I I think during the last round of collective bargaining not only having been a player but having been actively involved in the Players Association and actually actually having worked at the Players Association really gave me an understanding and appreciation of of the perspective that the players had in terms of some family issues in bargaining. It's always different from being an employee and being in management and I wonder whether you chuckle sometimes when you think about the way you looked at management when you were a player and now you if you look at the the no I definitely have thought of that and it I it's funny. I guess it's always that way life. If you know you look at things to certain way and it's you know and then then get a little more a little more experience realize everything's a little more nuanced than than maybe you thought it was and yeah you know I think as a player you know in terms of paying team together and try striving to win a championship. You know you knew the coaches were involved and the other players but you really don't didn't have a sense for the entire organization everybody that plays a part whereas you know in my new role or my current role you know obviously have a much greater appreciation of How many people are all also how difficult it is? What a challenge? It is what is the dynamic difference between having a team say up in Green Bay. Now you guys have won championships and so you know you are the the franchise for the State of Wisconsin in the region in a sense but it is not New York. It is not Chicago. What does that dynamic like on a day to day basis well? We'll get you know it's first of all it's great it's I view it as a tremendous positive you know the the downside is you're the only show in town so we're literally literally not only is there a story on the front page of the sports section every day on the packers in the Green Bay papers it's also on the front page of the actual paper bag news here every day and you know but our fans support is great and it's really to me it's much more like a collegiate atmosphere than what you see typically in the NFL and you know having been in the big ten for a number years when when I was in direct to north western to me it's very similar to what I saw in Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State you know in terms of the way the entire community the entire state rally together and support the organization. If I'm correct about this I do remember reading that during the course before for the preseason got underway you made a statement about the fact that you thought the preseason should be cut from four games down to two games because of the health issue. Can you go into that a little bit more because I thought that that was a very astute observation comment on your part mark well. I give just a little background on it. during the last round negotiations where the players one of the big issues was schedule or we call it kind of the the enhanced schedule so going right now. It's a couple issues one as you mentioned the wear and tear the players particularly as as it relates concussions and just the health and safety of our players but also the quality of the preseason you know the the preseason really has changed it used to debate that you know teams needed the preseason and the players needed the preseason to get ready for for the regular season players in great shape now now and really you know it's really really not used to get starters writing. It's used to evaluate rookies and young players and and I it's really over the years just the the quality of play in the preseason in terms of the number of stars playing has really dropped off and during the during the bargaining process we had proposed to go from four preseason games sixteen regular season two two and eighteen and I was in favor of that because I thought that it was a way to bridge the gap with players it does it does generate additional money and I thought it it was a way to bridge the gap well we got through. We've got a new collective bridegroom players. it's a ten year deal. It's good for both sides now. I I really look at Eh and it it's hard to justify increasing from sixteen to eighteen the number of preseason games and I actually I think we should think about reducing the number of preseason games while keeping at sixteen so the challenge. They're just quite honestly ron is as you know we're able to we charge full price for preseason games. It's part of the season ticket packages and so you would be losing revenue. If you say for instance you know went from four preseason to to but you know I i. I think it probably makes sense. We we need to be smart about it and you know. Maybe maybe it's not Maybe it's not dropping the games but maybe they become scrimmages or because you do you do need ways to evaluate you're younger players and to develop younger players and I I I just think the current mechanisms through the four preseason games probably doesn't make a lot of sense but you know those are issues that were going to be looking at over the next few eight years. we made pretty dramatic changes in terms of our offseason off seasons are much much shorter. fewer practice practices practices less practices and pads so we're hoping that those changes we'll have a very positive change in terms of player health and safety and but it's something we're really looking at it. I mean that's the big issue I think the biggest issue facing league right now on is you know the player health and safety and especially concussions we we need to do everything we can to. We'll never eliminate injuries but we need to do everything we can to minimize him. You're absolutely right about out that I have so many friends that played in the national football league and some of those friends are struggling badly today and mark your guy because you played eight years. Do you see anything different in your body auty or in your thought process after having played this game and gone through the rigors of playing at professional football. you know I have ah problems. I've got back surgery a few years ago. My knees are stiff and but I I don't I know if that was gonna play in the NFL. I probably would be that way anyway. My father had the same problems so I don't know it. I do think it is getting worse. You you know just watching the game. The game has changed. It's the players are bigger and faster stronger. you know I think one of the problems quite honestly is I think the helmet is something we've really got a focus on. I think it's becoming more and more of a weapon and so I think there's some number number steps. We really need to look at to see what we can do to to make the game safer and you know I think right now you know the game is if not it's all time. It's pretty darned. Close in terms of popularity ratings are are really strong and the concern is you. You Look you look at it wasn't that long ago. Boxing was pretty popular and I think the public just got turned off because of the the injuries and the and the negative impact that it boxing had on boxers long-term and my concern is that particularly parents will look at it and say the Games too dangerous you know I don't I want my son playing the game and you know over time that that's going to start really erode your fan base. We've got about forty seconds left. I always say as I get older. I don't remember things as this quickly and I say the mind is the second thing to go and I forgot the I I exactly as the game still as much fun for you from this perspective yeah no I I still enjoy the game you know and for me I I also so look I haven't done or have a son who played college football back in Massachusetts and -Chusetts in Amherst college and so I went through you you know it's it's difficult watching him and he was a wide receiver and he took some huge hits and I I looked at it and I haven't been through it myself off. You know the benefits that you get from playing football. You know the lessons of life lessons that you learn about teamwork and value hard work and leadership mark. I WanNa thank you. I always enjoy our conversation. They're always so insightful and articulate. 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A head coach General Manager League commissioner and Controlling Partner of the Oakland Raiders Franchise and contrary to Davis is notoriously quirky and reclusive SUV reputation. This account is based on the inside scoop that he personally gave Murray lending his full cooperation to relate the account of his life in his career and Davis really envisioned this book as an autobiography he supervised the writing and directed several revisions and then true Al Davis fashion he changed his his mind and shelved the project but after Davis's death last October older men released the book as a biography. How hard was it for you to do this project Murray it wasn't difficult at all because Davis is a man? I've known for fifty years. I'm completely waited with every facet of this background and and I enjoyed I enjoy the time spent with him because he was notoriously reclusive person who didn't into the open up too many people well. That's one of the reasons why I asked how hard this was. He was a complicated man at least on the outside in the way a lot of people I perceived him to be and then peeling away the various layers of Al Davis I think would be challenging as well. How would you summarize this whole effort that that resulted in the book just win baby? Well it started out as you know as you mentioned earlier as as he was gonNA as an autobiography would be to set the record straight what happened in the nineteen sixties when he ascended from assistant coach the head coach and general manager to lead commissioner then too controlling owner of the Oakland Raiders and he felt that that history has been distorted by a lot of people in the national football league so he wanted to set it straight and we we spent the entire month of July and two thousand nine in which he talked about every facet of his life and his career football and I went ahead and wrote what purportedly was going to be an autobiography and for for sundry reasons he decided not to get it published he the Oakland Raiders people know have had some economic difficulties based on the I think he was in negotiations with the League and didn't want a book released at this time so he he chose not to have the book done in the meantime I devoted six months to it and I hate to see six months of effort wasted so I converted the book to wait Third Person Narrative and had it published by triumph books as Chicago Murray one of the things that I've found over the years is that when you look at a person you usually usually find that the greatest influences where they grew up and how they grew up and I think that that probably is true with Al Davis well am I right about that and if so tell me about his roots back in Brooklyn and how it affected him well he was a kid who grew up in Brooklyn a multi-ethnic neighborhood and and and and played played played in the parks and on the playground in school and developed a a passion for sports and also a passion to lead sports because I think he realized early on that he didn't have the talent to be a great athlete himself and from a coaching standpoint standpoint where were those roots planted well. We're planning when he was when he was a student at Syracuse he he had gone to Wittenberg College on Athletic Attic Scholarship but there was a very small environment and then he transferred to Syracuse his second year and never really made the team but he developed developed a keen interest in football football intrigued him the the INS and outs of it and and determine then he was going to become a coach he was an English English major but but wondered why he was spending all the time reading the classics with only really wanted to do was coach when he graduated he got in this car went home with a friend and went out to a little Adelphi college and talk themselves into a job as a as a as a freshman football coach and what about the early influences is on him in his life well early. It's really he he he started going to were clinics. football clinics held various places in the eastern Atlantic City and places like that and that people like bear Bryant and or stuff a chef ski and said Gilman and Vince Lombardi to Vince Lombardi by that time it was an assistant coach at West Point and used to come out and lecture high school coaches in on Long Island you know at the beginning of the book. Do you have a quote from Al Davis. You say you don't adjust you just dominate was that brought about that type of attitude from his Brooklyn influence or where did that come from it came from it came from him. He was a he was a tremendous competitor and and and the bubble wanted to win and do do do anything within the bounds of propriety to win what were some of the early challenges in his life that he had to overcome because invariably the Times that I've talked to him or I talked to doing when he was alive. I always found that there were things that probably Kinda spurred him on to the next level. What what were they in the early going well he he he got in trouble at the citadel where he was an assistant coach on a recruiting violation and and and that motivated him to get another a job which which was in southern California and Southern California? USC also got pop hours a very aggressive over guy and and in in the and as a zealot trying to get the best players they're not he might have gone a little bit out of bounds and so he got he lost both jobs and finally got a job in pro bowl in nineteen sixty with SID Gillman and gambling was tremendous early influence on. Was it always his way or no way I mean did he develop that attitude along the way or is that always been the part of his persona his way or no way was developed when he got when he got controller the Oakland Raider Franchise you mentioned it was it was a person on the make you mentioned about Sid Gillman. I'm and obviously that was a great influence. What was it about Gilman's philosophy and football that he most admired the fact that game eh try everything offensively and was a was a passing genius and and develop new concepts that were that that have since been accepted in professional football and AL picked up on them and of course editors zone philosophy of of a of a vertical passing game was he not comfortable with the standard? NFL fell as it was at that time because he was the pioneer he was the commissioner for the old AFL and we'll talk a little bit more about that in a second but but was he not happy with the way the structure and the way they approach things in the in the old established a nfl well he was the afl at that time right now but what I'm saying really care about the NFL until until he was a part of it well but the point I'm making Murray is the fact that he went to toward the AFL because he didn't like what he what he so in the NFL was that the reason no he he he went to the AFL because she needs a job and Gilman who had just been fired by the Los Angeles Rams had had become the coach of the Los Angeles chargers the for the first year the of the American football league in the offered Allen Job as one of his four assistance at three the three of them three of those people are now in the pro football hall of Fame Gilman Chuck Nolan alday was an but but he could not get a job in the established list NFL men and that's why they only gotten a job he was offered a job as a scout with the Baltimore Colts and it was also offered the job as Scott with the Los Angeles Rams His passion was coaching and he and that's what he went for and then that's what he did. A lot of people don't know how he got involved with the raiders. Can you tell that story well. He got involved with the raiders because the raiders going one and thirteen in nineteen sixty two and we're looking around for a coach in very several people among them. Jack Christianson attention was a forty nine coach at the time and when Wayne Valley who was a controlling partner of the of the raiders at that point the controlling owner started interviewing Al Davis was one of the few guys who showed any interest in economic side of the football and so he was impressed impressed by that and he offered Davis Job as coach and general manager and Davis. I turned them down but then they upped the ante and they gave him a three year contract stuck at twenty two thousand five hundred dollars a year but incidentally and that was that was that was his real start as a as a as a full pull entrepreneur. He hired certainly a lot of players and brought him on board. He didn't worry about what their reputations were he his idea India is philosophy about bringing players. In what was that Murray well. I'll I'll was at that time was was very shrewd. Route connoisseur football talent he could he could he could recognize Willie Brown was going to be one of the great defensive backs and football and so we angle to get him from the Denver under Broncos which you did and he just recognize talented was a his whole life was dedicated to football and his discovery of John Madden because Madden ed one time was the youngest coach ever to be hired in the national football league. What was it that he saw on John? He he liked he liked the way John Operated out about a blackboard liked the way he lectured and and he was the youngest man on the staff the most the last person you'd think would get the shot at the job up because they had more experienced football Matama Steph but David saw in him a man teach new could also lead new wasn't afraid despite his youth of leading players and Davis was that he was a Davis prototype of Davis was the same thing when Davis was twenty three years old he organized a team at Fort Belvoir Virginia that was one of the finest teams and in service football and he was a buck private time as certainly there was the relationship between him and Pete Rozelle and also with the National Football League when he bucked the League and took the franchise down to Los Angeles what what was the essence behind that what was the philosophy conflict between the NFL and Al Davis at that time Free Agency was coming coming into football announce and now is the owner of the controlling owner of of a small market franchise L. that felt that he needed the only anyway he could compete was through through talent at that time three agency came and players salaries started escalate and the bonanza in professional the football then was luxury boxes and he wanted luxury boxes for the Oakland Coliseum for one reason or another a little not due to to detail to go into ear was turned out so that's why try to move. That's why franchise to Los Angeles. Very how hard was it for him in his last couple of years to see the team after their loss in the super bowl to Tampa Bay see them struggle over the say the last five or six years we had a lot of regrets he and the other thing about about he regrets about the last years because he felt that he had made mistakes in in personnel and that the people whom he had designated they didn't come through like he wanted to and he took it very hard and what do you think you but the but he he also the thing about Al Davis of people don't realize is that the forty five years he was a so controlling person of the Oakland Raiders even in his dying days. What do you think his legacy is going to be? It's going to be that he was a he was a man of accomplishment you -CCOMPLISH everything at every level of professional football and he also he also made contributions to the game as a member of the competition committee and and he and he was he he a lot of players into the game now you mentioned about the fact that you've known him for a very long time. Did you learn anything through this process about Al Davis that maybe Oh you did not know or or that surprised you about him. Well you know I the thing about Al Davis is that people have a misconception I think of Emma as an eccentric misanthrope reclusive some kind of a nut and he wasn't at all he was a PR- in private he was kind of a shy had elements of shyness about him and and the little naivete and he you enjoy being with people and people never saw that side of him and that was a lot lot that was his fault because I was not my opinion but it's not a very good public relations man. It felt that winning was everything as Lombardo used to say and and he's been he tells that would cover everything and today's society. It's a little more complicated complicated in that and I think he I think is public. Essential Public Relations was war but but his his his accomplishments of football with great. I mean the raiders won three one time with a winning team in football a marvelous succession of winning seasons and sold out crowds and and we're one of the most recognized organizations all of all of the professional sportscar doc Murray. I WanNa thank you very much congratulations on this book. I'm looking forward to reading it. It's about a very interesting man involved with of course a great sport. Thanks a lot Murray thank you rod is good to talk to you again Murray Alderman with US and again. I'm going to urge you to check out this book. I think you will find it fascinating as well. It's called just win. 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Here's Ron Bar. Jerry Royce joins us on sports byline left handed pitcher who pitched twenty two seasons in the majors with eight teams most prominently with the dodgers and he pitched a no hitter against the San Francisco giants and He has written a book talk about it. All in the book is called bring in the right hander and since you were a lefty I was a little bit puzzled by the title and then I opened up the book and read the First Paragraph in the first chapter and you talk about how your brother who was a right hander introduced you to the game of baseball is that's why it's called bringing the right hander well. That's a pretty good gas. Ask but no that's not it at all it was when I was writing a book run that I took a look at the numbers the games that I had pitched it then I started figuring how how many complete games that I have how many games did I finish as a relief pitcher and it dawned on me doing the math that three out of four times that I went out there somebody had to come in after me and when to manager made the pitching change between innings the last thing that I heard him say to the home plate umpire was bringing the right hander and that was my call for exit and I went back to the dugout was a lot better than my second choice. which was it's a cold day? Dan Hell which refers to the fact that someone told me about my chances of actually getting this book published. I like the brother story a little bit better. I think that makes it more family oriented. I would go with that then. Tell me a little bit about growing up back in the Midwest because you played on the school yards of the ball fields of overland Missouri well. It was a different kind of existence than what I'm sure kids have today everything it seems today is so organized back then we we went outside to play and like a lot of other kids of men and women who are now under sixty s we went out in the morning. Stop back for lunch and made sure we were home before for dinner and there were no play dates we met at a school yard. We met at an open lot and we played our games and made the rules accordingly. If one team needed an extra player than we sent somebody over to the other team the whole idea was to play and that's exactly what we did did your brother factor in to any great degree as far as your love for baseball Jerry probably to a certain degree because he introduced me to it and when he got home from mm school and I got home from school we played what we could in the backyard. Dad didn't get home until a little bit later so yeah he was there he was first. He was foremost my younger. Brother didn't come along until a couple years later but once I discovered baseball dad then got me glove that was for a left handed thrower as opposed to my as opposed to my brother who was a right hander and it just grew from there when Jim my older brother went to High School of course he had his high school friends but but I kept the traditional live backyards and school yards which were close by and all of the kids in the neighborhood and some other neighborhoods were able to put things together other and we played all summer long in all my father was in the Air Force and he was based at Shenuda field and ran tool annoy now that's out in the middle of the cornfields builds and I'm sure to some degree. It was probably a little bit like what you know you played baseball because the Midwest is really family oriented and everything and I remember an American Legion game. I was playing playing when a thunderstorm rolled in over the planes and lightning across the sky and the last thing I remembered standing on the mound was watching the backstop glow. Was it like that for you or those games James when you play during the summer with the other kids and everything something like that did it had that or about a Jerry not necessarily because we weren't out near the cornfields Elsom we were actually in the suburbs and even though there were some open lots there were there were houses. It was a subdivision and of course we didn't have the romance that you would have with the cornfields and and plane Sunday ball agree to that but we were on the ground floor of Little League League when it started I think it was in the early fifties and gradually because of the number of kids that were coming into the Saint Louis Area McDonald aircraft was building airplanes at that time for the government and so there were a lot of families that were coming in from the south some from the east some from the West and they all kind of congregated aggregated in the area where we were so there was a need for sports and baseball it seemed to explode at that time and a couple of real estate agent Scott together put together a six field complex and that was front and Center on the baseball activity in the community and the surrounding areas. When did you think that this could be a job for you that you could make it to the major leagues well? It was never a job to me was more of a love but I knew that I could play okay and I knew that I could be successful. I was bigger than the other kids I could throw harder but just how good I was you. Don't know that until actually you grow and you play against other kids but I could hold my own not only with kids my age but with a couple of with kids that were a couple years older when I reached fourteen after my freshman year in high school I tried out for the local American Legion team and much to my surprise. I made the team and the reason why was the coach told maces aces. I've had a lot of kids come through here but you definitely have a chance to play ball in the major leagues. I'm GONNA take you you're GONNA pitch. You'RE GONNA pitch a little bit here a little bit there but I'm GonNa bring you along and by the time you're a senior and it's your turn to get into the amateur draft. I'm GonNa make sure that you're drafted as high as you can. It was because of that kind of foresight and the same kind of approach with a high school coach that I was able to make my way kind of a fast ask jump through high school and to the second round draft choice by the cardinals back in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven so I guess there is some truth to the to the phrase it takes it takes a village to raise a ball player you on your first Major League game in nineteen sixty nine. Tell me about it. I signed with the cardinals in nineteen sixty st seven which Kinda surprised me because they were in the background of all of the teams scouts that I had talked to. I really didn't know who was going to draft me but the cardinals signals did they did so second round and I guess they saw the benefit of a local product that did have major league potential because it would help them. I'm further down the line. I didn't know just how beneficial that was to me simply because they had won the world series and they had a stock farm system but to my advantage was expansion because of that good farm system that the cardinals had San Diego Montreal took a lot of guys who were slated ahead ahead of me so that I was then in a year where I should have spent the entire year in Aa Ball. I spent it in tripling. The cardinals didn't play quite as well all in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. They were still pretty good. They were twelve games over five hundred but that was the year the cubs and then the last part of the year belong to the mets who blew the cubs CBS away and pass them and ultimately became world champions but because the cardinals were looking to get younger I had a good season in AAA. I led the League and a couple of different categories including innings pitched in games one. I was one of the top prospects in the organization ended merited a call up in nineteen sixty sixty nine which was just a little bit over two years after I graduated from a local high school and that first game was against it was against Montreal all and a former cardinal farmhand Jerry Robertson pitched in the minor leagues. He was one of the guys that was ahead of me but he got his major league shot with Montreal and it was on a cold Saturday afternoon that the game was delayed a couple of times by rain but we managed to get it in and I was happy about that because I I got my first major league win. Who Was it took you underneath their wing because invariably we hear during that era of baseball that when a rookie came up there was always the veteran or veterans friends who would usher them along the way in the early going? I think it happened even before I got to the Big Leagues of course my high school coach he was instrumental dreux mental and teaching me the game fundamentals and I could say the same thing about the American Legion coach so I had two coaches in Saint Louis as an amateur that prepared me for Major League ball long before I was even ready George Kissel the longtime cardinal coach in the minor leagues spent a number of years. Here's with cardinals and just about every capacity and anybody that came through the cardinals organization in the fifties sixties seventies all had Georgia's imprint sprint on them and it made a huge difference so that by the time I got to the big leagues I was brought along probably as well as anybody based on a number of years of experience experience that I had and then once I got the big legs well there were a couple of hall of famers that were playing that I could watch emulate and ask questions and and as a result well it it kept me around. It got me up to the Big Leagues when I was twenty years old and kept me around until I was forty one. What was your reaction? When you were traded rated the first time that was a tough one because it was a salary holdout and I had dealt with the cardinals before at the minor league level and the way that we figured out the salary that I was going to get? I chose a number than I thought I was worth and then I doubled it in that's where I started. They started headed low and we met somewhere in the middle and I figured what experienced I have other than the fact that had negotiated a couple of contracts the minor league level level. I thought the cardinals had reverted to something like that. I got a six thousand dollar raise for half a season in AAA and half a season in the big lakes and I won fourteen games so after I won fourteen games my full first major league season I thought well six thousand dollars sounds about right to me eight four my for a salary for my second full year cardinals didn't see it that way they offered three. They stuck at three and I you gave him a price hoping to meet somewhere in the middle. We never had a discussion that produce that Jerry Rice is with US and again. I want you to check out his book. It's an interesting read about a game saying that he loved and he pitched in twenty two years of the major league level. It's called bring in the right hander. We continue with more of you and sports byline. Are you an active stock market investor. Will then you know these three key words buy sell hold those three magic words can make or lose you money in the stock market. 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That's eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one call now this is America's sports talk show sports byline. USA here's Ron Baugh. Jerry Royces joined us on Sports Byline USA Jerry one of the things that I know that there was a period of time when players did not move around so much that really each organization kind of had a particular look it was either the dodger way the Yankee way the pirates way and everything when you look at all the organizations you he played with eight different teams and primarily with the dodgers. Tell me about what you saw the difference in the attitude and the way they approach the game and the way they develop their players well. I went through the minor leagues with the cardinals. I can only speak with any kind of authority as someone who went through the minor leagues in the late Sixties Steve Spend a little time there in the early seventies but I do know that there was some shared attitudes about players went through other organizations for instance when when you came up through an organization you had an imprint of the scout that followed you or the organization that ultimately signed you those people people they had a they had their mark on you and then when you went through the minor leagues there were various coaches managers and if you progress through the lower minor interleague until the until the higher reaches the miners then everybody along the way had done something to help get you through there then ultimately when you got the Big Leagues yes and a player starts producing well you have a whole lineage of people from the start of your career to the time he got to the big leagues and then started producing that had a hand in it but when you change organizations all of that goes away you were cardinal property then you move to a new organization and and now you're doing so at the major league level and that was the way it was in my case and as a result at the major league level I just dealt with the major league coaches coaches and new just a handful of people in the minor leagues but did young players get labeled and the only have a short window to be able to get that label off off of you of. It's not a particularly good one or do you get more time. If you're somebody that was drafted higher I mean did that. Come into play at all in any other organizations or does it come into play with the organizations even today. Oh absolutely if a team spends money on you if you're at the top round draft choice let's see I think now I guess just one of the first four maybe through eight. If you're drafted one of the eight slots at the top you're going to get some money and if you get some money they got an investment S. Menu and you'll get the benefit of the doubt somewhere along the way or if it's a choice between you who is a top draft choice and somebody else who wasn't such a top choice well. They're going to give a little more consideration your way. That's the that's the way it wasn't just about every organization when you think about Saint Saint Louis the whole atmosphere where the franchise is the way they played the history of that franchise and then compared to a relatively new when they moved out to the west coast dodgers odd years. What was that dichotomy like you know surprisingly it's pretty much the same because there's a certain pride of players that came through the organization with the cardinals and if you did so you were part of that group you're part of something that was going to be there for a number number of years? Well I saw the same thing happened with every organization. After the cardinals they went to Houston the guys who had gone through the organization and the minor leagues eggs well they were a different group because well they were part of it from the very start same thing with Pittsburgh and especially with the dodgers when I got there because the dodgers here's had an extraordinary draft in nineteen sixty eight and that's where the players who formed the Infield catcher Steve Yeager and a couple all of other players all came up roughly the same time and Tom lasorda was their manager and all of them those players seem to produce looking back on it at the major league level not necessarily for the dodgers but they were traded to another organization and became a primary player in that for that team. Tom Pejorative who played a long time with Atlanta Bill Buckner who was with the cubs and he he played twenty two years he was traded and then there are a handful of other guys from that same draft that Barron jobs and played a major leagues quite a while yeah well. I guess what I was thinking. Also was just the whole atmosphere of the West Coast you'd think think of showtime with the Lakers back in the seventies and also when the dodgers were out there and you talked about that Infield Best Infield I think I've ever seen collectively actively around the horn with say and and others like that and Garvey at first base that's what I was referring to. I mean tell me a little bit about that. Infield you you as a pitcher on the mound and having those guys behind you. They played well together. They knew the limitations of the guy was playing next storm and they played things accordingly. There was quite a bit of talk about. Let's do this. Let's do that and that was usually from Davey Lopes he was actually managing the Enfield before before he was a major league manager but they had a great deal of respect for one another and they knew it like as I said what they could do and what they couldn't do now. If you take a look at each one of them as a major league scout and tried to break them down you could see that well. This isn't a gold glove caliber type of player but what they were they were good or better than average in one particular aspect defensively. I'll go around the infield and tell you about it. Say what catch just about anything that was hit to him. He lacked the range and he lacked in arm that would be considered a plus arm for a third baseman at the major league level but his arm had plus accuracy so that's how he made up for it. So when you have a guy at third base you can catch the ball and then throw it if he gets it. You got a pretty good player there. At Third Base Russell was converted outfielder. He was more of a center fielder. he had some pretty good range but is throwing was more like an outfielder and you have to have a different release point point when you're an infielder and that's why a lot of throws over there bounced or went over the head of the first Baseman defensively as a shortstop he was steady he it wasn't outstanding like Ozzie Smith. I'm not tearing these guys down understand that. I'm just telling you what I saw. Were the pluses about them defensively and some of the things that they maybe weren't as good at as they were in other aspects of it Davey Lopes had great range to his left but up the middle he didn't quite get there as quickly as as you thought he would but he study he knew exactly what to do with the ball when it came to him and he was the commander under the infield he let everybody know what was expected of them. Garvey over at first base couldn't throw but really there's a first baseman need to but what he was able to do is feel disposition position backhand forehand catch just about everything that was hit plus. He saved untold airs on rose from the other infielders because visibility to scoop the ball out of the dirt and when you put it all together you say that these guys maybe if you want to give them a rating according to the a major league numbers you say maybe they're an average infielder or an average infield but if you look at him as a whole because of their ability to play together because of the cohesiveness of the unit that whole group was a plus Enfield and what I learned is once I was able to develop the style that got somebody out in one of the first three pitches then they began to anticipate a ground ball to be hit early in the count so I got them at their very best because they were playing on their toes and I got a lot of outs on ground balls that were hit that other dodger pitchers didn't get simply because the guys were able labeled the anticipated and they were able to make the play ahead of time so I was beneficial with that infield behind me. We only have a couple oh minutes left but one thousand nine hundred eighty special year for you. One of the best in your career eighteen wins six losses you lead the majors in shutouts with six but you also through that no hitter against the San Francisco giants giants. That game came very close to being a perfect game. Do you ever think about that every day. Because somebody brings it up or I read about it or get an email email alert. Somebody said something about it. what's surprising about that game is how many people that I've run into that said they were actually there at candlestick and and if that were the case they would they would have filled candlestick to the rafters because I believe I met fifty or sixty thousand people who've told me they were there now. As far as was that game it was a rare night because it was warm. It was humid a candlestick and well. I didn't have the kind of stuff when I warmed up that I would have said you know I got no hitter kind of stuff tonight or I'm just going to be that exceptional what it was for me was a series of routine outs that I had behind me and then when I got some runs then there was a little bit of area where I could pitch for the no hitter as opposed to pitching to complete the game and get out. You know a lot of times times in a game you can miss a little bit and then somebody may get a base it on it. You don't think much of it because you got a big lead and it really takes the offense off if from a lot of plays they normally run but if you have a close game you gotta expect a bunch. Maybe a hit and run the other thing with a no hitter. You're you're pitching for yourself at the same time trying to complete a game and you realize that in pitching a no hitter you have to be lucky and you have to make some good pitches just because a fluke base it here a little grounder a little number down the line. That is the hitter beats it out. There goes your chances in about twenty in about twenty seconds. Is there a particular memory that you have of your long successful career that kind of stays even today with Jerry Rice well the way I finished it and that was pitching the final. I don't game before I retired Jim. Leyland was the manager of the pirates at the time asked me if I wanted to pitch the final game of the season and I came. I'm off the field to a standing ovation Pittsburgh. That's a lasting memory and that's something that should only be reserved for the greatest of the greatest. I WanNa thank you Jerry and I want to urge everybody to please check this out. We're GONNA make it a selection of the month sports byline book. It's called bring in the right Hander Jerry Royse the author and also of course he played and pitch for twenty two seasons in the majors with eight different teams most prominently with the dodgers for nine years. Thank you Jerry for joining us round and joy division. Thank you very much jerry rice with us. We continue on sports byline and here's Today's safety tips riding outdoor recreational vehicles. Can we fun these safety tips can help make your outdoor experience safe and enjoyable enrolling a motorcycle. ATV snowmobile or water safety course depending pending a vehicle always wear protective gear helmets life jackets goggles long sleeve shirts and pants and gloves will help keep you incident free always stick to the correct correct and legal number of people on your outdoor machine and now word from B. R. P. It's time for the Yellow Tag sales event at your local. 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How can sixty one to win the world series in in his first year of managing and of course he spent nine years as a catcher in the majors eight and a half of those with the giants and when I think back to you as a ballplayer you really we do personify at least in my mind catcher you had the tools you had the attitude and everything how would you describe a Catcher in Major League Baseball dartboard? Maybe would be a good description. I think you know because of the demands of the position and and the fact you know it's been widely publicized. You're the only guy on the field. That's all your teammates. At the same time you see all the baserunners all the requirements position you have to be able to you know determine a how you want to pitch the opposing hitters strengths and weaknesses and the psychological strengths and weaknesses of your own pitcher. You've gotta be able to get signs from your manager even if possible steel finds from the other manager and probably the most important attribute to be able to Schmooze the empires game on your side and convincing that your guy's GonNa Pitch. It's a great game tonight so all those things I think go into being a catcher and certainly the the ability to handle some physical pain because that goes right along with the position. Let me ask about the schmoozing of the umpire because that was an interesting statement and I'm just wondering did you kind of do a scouting report and after being in the League along time you knew pretty much all these he's Umpires but how did you approach each game and maybe being able to get that out of an umpire. During the course of the game well usually started right away with the first eight one pitches which is a game. We're starting to go out there and as you're receiving goes eight warm up pitches the umpire usually takes a peek over your shoulder. You know to get loose and kind of get into the rhythm of the game himself open. I would usually take that opportunity those eight warm up pitches between innings to really try to promote my guy boy who good night for you tonight. This guy's really been on top of his game has been Sharpe's command and it's been great. Even if it wasn't the case I would really try to pitch how good my pitcher on the mound that night has been Dan If there are calls early in the game that I feel could have possibly gone our way. I might ask him about some of those calls that are you know if you had that with the call over over again. Would you change your mind and try to keep it light trying to keep it humorous and you know over the course of the year you develop relationships among fires a little bit easier. GotTa get the no than others but yeah eventually. You'll have a scouting report on the ups to know which guys are likely to give you a borderline pitch which guys are likely to take it away. You know the the thing that's interesting because we're talking about humanity and people actually umpiring these games and let's talk about the guy behind the plate I suppose depending upon how their day went that that also affected the way they work that particular night. Could you read them pretty quick as to what their strike zone was going to be and what their temperament was going to be yeah usually you could you know especially after after some time Ron you like I said you know the guy's a little bit but you know who usually called small zone. You know who usually calls a bigger zone you know which guys might go off the outside corner but take away a little bit on the inside corner and then above and beyond that once you get to know them and their personalities you can Kinda tell which guys had a bad cabin cab ride to the ballpark or bad service at lunch that day you know maybe had a tough travel to get to the city that we're in tonight and try to sympathize is with them a little bit man. You guys got in late from San Diego last night. That must have been tough. Did you get fucking traffic on the way to the ballpark today and you know if you can get them to uh. I think that you're concerned about their welfare. That goes a long way. Also the pitchers that you were working with. Did you read them pretty well. As to what type of stuff they had for a particular game and how did you deal with the different temperaments of the different pitchers on the staff. That was probably the toughest thing about being a catcher because you know I like to catch the hard nosed guy but I like to catch guys that even when they didn't have their good stuff you knew they were going to battle and able to find a way to keep the team in the ball game and those the guys that I seem to develop the best relationships in the best bonds with some of the guys that you know maybe were a little softer and you know really had to be coaxed along along that that was not something I I considered my forte but I would try to do it as best I could and you know it's it's just something that goes along with the territory starting from the very first day of spring training the not only get to know their stuff and get to know their makeup. You know who's GonNa quit him a tough situation and who's going to both neck and go out there and find the way to get you through that inning. You paid your college ball. At Ohio University you go into the minor leagues and I WanNa hear your side of this story Bob. You're only curtain call and Baseba- aw occurred during a minor league game yeah our waiting for the Fresno giants in the California League in Nineteen Seventy eight in Bakersfield you should be able in the league that year they had an independent team that was composed of a bunch of different organizations and the Minor League ballparks. They had a feature that they called the beer ear bad they would always pick a player from the visiting team and he would be designated tonight's beer batter and if that guy struck out the beer was discounted discounted by fifty percents or you know a dime a beer. I'm not sure what the deal was but I was the beer batter one night Bakersfield California and struck out my first three bats the ball game and when I came up from my fourth at that I got a standing ovation from the crowd in Bakersfield so at the time that that was the highlight of my career you served. There's a coach under manager Roger Craig and then stayed on when Dusty Baker replaced Craig as the manager and people always connect with. I guess their managers are other coaches. What did you pick up from? Both those men boy I'll tell you for dusty. I picked up the importance of of of some of the things we've talked about already getting to know your players getting to know what makes them check trying to figure out which buttons to push to get the best out of them every day unjustly was a master of that anybody that ever played for Dusty Baker was was with a better ballplayer four and Roger Craig. I've said repeatedly I learned more about baseball from Roger Craig and everybody came into contact within the gate and I had some time in the big leagues when the lager came over to the giants at the end of the eighty five season. I thought I knew what I was doing. I thought I knew what I was doing behind the plate and I very quickly realized that are you nuts and Roger said his credit just took me like a piece of clay and molded me into the kind of catcher much like he helped sparky Anderson and do with Kirsch in Detroit. you know the importance of handling the pitching staff. That's your number one duty to the team the way you carry yourself your body language because not not only as a catcher to uc all your teammates in front of you but certainly they see you and if you're having a bad day at the plate as a hitter and take that behind the plate with you your teammates will see it immediately so just one of many many many hundreds of thousands of things that Roger Craig taught me the nuances of the game `bout forever be indebted to him. branly is with us and after nine years as a catcher in the majors eight and a half with the giants he went on to become a manager where the Arizona diamondbacks won the World World Series Of course in two thousand one Bob. I'm interested I know how valuable talent is. You've got to have it. That's the first block of the foundation but also how important portent is that the communication skills with your players because we always hear players saying I want to know what my role is and how much of it is being able to push the right buttons at the right time both from a technical standpoint of managing the game on the players themselves well. You certainly do have to have the talent you're absolutely right about that and that Oh one the won the world series we had the power everywhere not only are starting players on the field but we had a tremendous bench thing here. I believe the average age going into that season thirty four and a half years old so I in conversations with my coaching staff and with Joe Garagiola junior general manager. I made it very very clear that I felt our best plan of attack was not to play an everyday lineup. Certainly we had some guys who were in there more than others but because we had such a strong bench and because her regular lineup was was getting up there in years we thought we need to use all twenty five guys on the roster and and more or this year's over so the sooner we can establish that everybody's GonNa play a role in this today. Maybe your day to be the hero tomorrow. Maybe teammates day to be the hero but we're GONNA mix and we're going to match and we're going to give everybody plenty of playing time. We're going to get everybody plenty of grass and because of the talent level of this ball club I think that's going to be good enough to win a world all series and that was our goal on the first day of Spring Training until game seven of the world series of back in Arizona. Everybody involved in the mix and I think the one incident that really brought that out was in Montreal they had a left hand leader by the name of Graham Lloyd was really nasty kind of sidearm left hander and Mar Grace was scheduled to to hit for us and I'm looking at the numbers and we have a Great Cobra right here hitting first baseman sitting on the bench who just killed left-handed pitcher so I turned about Melvin my bench coach. I said we hit for Gracie right here. In Bob Melvin looked me in the eye and said I don't think Mark Grace has ever been pinched or in his life so has greatly walked up the steps of the dugout out toward the on deck circle. I whistled to him and call him back and I said listen. This really hurts and I hate to it but we're GONNA hit for you here. We're GonNa let Colby take a lack of this left. Him and Gracie looked at me and skipper. If you think he's the right guy to be up there I wanted to hit and walked back. Put his batting Iraq put his helmet up on the show crime right up on the top step of the dugout next to me and became the best cheerleader in the world now that by itself is amazing enough but as this is going on I'm looking over my shoulder and I not Williams Jay Bell Toney Almac Luiz Gonzalez and speak all veteran players and they're going to watch how this all unfolds and if mark grace thrown a temper tantrum or customer trust me out there at the top step of the dugout it might have been different season but because gracie accepted it the way he did put his own best interest in his back pocket for the good of the team everybody bought into from that point forward so for me that was that was the entire turning point of Agassi's Bob Event around sports in baseball for a long time men I've observed it as well and I don't think that I have ever seen a series like the two thousand one world series because all that happened in New York of course that dramatic game as well and then the sixth and seventh games back in Arizona as well when you reflect back on it one of the things that you think about the most uh-huh and the decisions you made everything about that series at that particular time. I think you know look at that series looking back at that series. I think every song thing that year happened the way it had to obviously it was nine eleven and the New York was suffering through tremendous despair and they needed a distraction though we all need a distraction at that time and and the way that serious played out the the way the Yankees came back and won those three games at Yankee Stadium. Adm it almost feels like it was meant to be now that being said that were we found out that there were a lot of hands that were rooting for us to be being all the red SOx Fan fan in the world. All the mets fans in the world. All the Anti Yankee fans in the world. Were really pulling hard for the diamondback so they you know in in my biased point point of view. I think everything happened the way it has to happen that year and one of the most wildly entertaining world series. Do you have a particular memory. That's kind of ingrained in Bob Brennan Lease Mind about that series one that you just kinda smile about when you think back on a Bob a couple on the personal spur game seven the back at bank one ballpark in Phoenix my son Michael was fifteen at the time and he would bat boy for the diamondbacks slobby Asli and it was probably about an hour before game time we had finished our batting practice. everybody was back in the clubhouse preparing for the ball game and my son came running into the opposite the dad you gotta come out here and so you know what the jacket on him and walked out to the dugout and the ballpark was already filled to the raft. There wasn't an empty seat and every fan in the ballpark was waving these white pom Poms in unison. I never seen a crowd that excited back early and so into the ball game they were. I mean you couldn't help get caught up in it yourself and then the other moment was when Randy Johnson who would ditch game six and I have to map regain six we need you to come in and follow meal out or if we need you to come in and and get a top left out the can you give us an you know what we need tomorrow. He said absolutely so When the time came you know I'm looking at the Yankees lineup and I see Tino Martinez the Paul O'Neil and some of their lessees scheduled to come up to the plate so Wendy out of that third base dugout and made the walk down to the bullpen and I think all those let's fans are out there waiting the pom-pom before the game suddenly realize we're going to be something special here Randy Johnson last night? Starting Pitcher is going to pitch in relief tonight and the field vacation just from walking to the bullpen was it was just unbelievable. I mean the hairs on the back of your neck stood up and faulk many many fans over the years. A lot of people said that that was their favorite moments ever at a sporting event just blocking the Johnson Walk to the bullpen. Eh It was the it was just one of those moments that I wish everybody who plays or managers or coaches game have an opportunity to experience a series and game mm seven life that Bob. I WanNa thank you. I've known you for a long time. I always knew you'd be successful in broadcasting because in the years that you were with the giants and every time we did an interview together how succinct to sink in how open you were about information and I really appreciated that so thank you very much for sharing your life in your career with us here on sports byline. Take care my friend. Thank you very much. Rana always a pleasure Bob Bradley with us again managed the Arizona diamondbacks to a world series in two thousand one. He was the first manager since Ralph how can sixty sixty one to win the world series in his first year of managing and that was after nine years as a catcher in the majors eight and a half with the giants we continue across the country and around the world. We've got you on America's sports. Talk show remember in the beginning when you first started to build a life for you and your family. You never imagined it would come to this instead of living your dreams. You're living with debt in fact it's smothering you now. There's a way you can take back control with one simple call. If you owe ten thousand dollars or more in credit card debt you qualify to receive a free no obligation consultation on how to get rid of that debt bad for good call the debt helpline now we work on your behalf to reduce your debt. We specialize in credit cards retail store cards and medical bills. One simple call is all it takes to get the ball rolling to a debt free life. 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That's going to wrap up this hour of sports. byline as we talk baseball with left-handed Pitcher Jerry Roy Sue pitch twenty two seasons in the majors with eight different teams most prominently with the dodgers where he pitched there for nine years and of course on June twenty seven thousand nine hundred eighty pitched a no hitter at game against the San Francisco giants he had a very interesting career and a very very interesting life as well and he talks about it all in his book bring in the right hander and he is one of only a handful of players to play in four different decades and we talk baseball with Bob Bradley manage the Arizona diamondbacks to a world series title in two thousand one after spending nine years as a catcher in the majors eight and a half of those with the giants God. I'm Ron Bar. Thanks for joining us on America's sports talk show. My name is Pedro Martinez. 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You're listening to sports overnight America good evening everyone and welcome into the Thursday night edition of Sports overnight America Jeff Jeff rich happy to be with you from Phoenix Arizona reminder that we're live at ten. PM Pacific Time. I'm behind the MIC Monday through Thursday. I got Scott Scott on the other side of the glass. I got Mary working at the sports by light. Sports sports task given us our final scores twenty five after the hour but well. It's a Thursday. It's foot Bossi's so we have Thursday night football but we don't get any of the college variety we get the Tampa Bay buccaneers and the Carolina Panthers two teams that aren't going to light it up the scoreboard off Ed spite May prevent other teams from doing so on a regular basis both defenses got after it in the Ad Carolina needed six and really what they needed was about six inches to continue the game with about ninety seconds to go a six foot five monster of a quarterback best runner on your team up until you acquired Christian Christian McCaffrey but six five can fall forward and get five inches little five foot five Christian McCaffrey Baker should McCaffrey Britt trick play to the outside slow developing play ten yards behind the line of scrimmage stat short yardage situations where you're giving away five yards on the snap get that you're you're spreading out these offenses and you can run the pistol which is a running formation out of the variation of the shotgun but you gotta be gotTa have a quarterback can take the ball from under center. 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Welcome back everyone. I am Jeff. Bridget is sports overnight America and I'll tell you what focused first Carolina Panthers are going to struggle to find the end zone if Cameron Newton does not play better football than we saw him play this. It wasn't the Carolina team that we saw at home in really bad conditions are extreme heat against the rams in week one here they are on short rust and plays a big part of it. I think that the short rest certainly favors the defense. You have a lot less time to install a game plan. You have a lot less time to to recover and when you don't have that advantage of being physically ready and it's a short week for both teams but tap a lot better against danced San Francisco than they did against Carolina in Carolina looked better in a loss to the rams than they did on Thursday night football and it was just it was just just a matter of who sucked less. That's a way of putting it but it's an honest way of putting it as well defensive player Glor- I mean I look up and down that that Carolina Defensive Front and I see him on short and see Gerald McCoy and a- all they are is a front for Lewke clearly to make great plays Lewke continuous makes great place but you know it was great play of the secondary for Tampa on this night. Burn hargraves saved the game. He is not a solid tackler. He's a tackler hate the steel page Tony Romo playbook but you know if it's Dion Sanders Christian McCaffrey walls into into the end zone if it if it's any of the typical cover corners that can't tackle to save their rear ends Christian McCaffrey walks walks into the Anza Hargreaves made a heck of a play in Carolina came up with big place. Tampa came up with big glaze tumbles got that defense clicking now if only Bruce Arians could stay out of the way he's become and you've seen it happen with a lot of great coaches you know they they stick around so long and they become senile the right word. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA say they become a a little less sharp. Senile is Craig quite the right word because you know these guys do get these twentysomethings to respect them and allowed all of them to lead you. I played a lot about the culture about the players having leveraged players taking over and in Jon Gruden case Gal average has gone l. ever just been compromised for most of the coach especially old school coaches usually guy like Bruce Arians. That's the last eight seasons been on borrowed time. He was dawn Pittsburgh showed him the door and he was done. Check forgotten gets the job in Indianapolis Suze. You want to help out and you always going to be got an offensive consultant Kelly. How what Tom Moore was for for him? In Arizona. Tom War was for Tony Dungy in Indianapolis Way too old to have any kind of official responsibility good to have around you went from being more than good to have around. Two you get the colts play Offs Angeles Rookie Year I mean he did have Andrew Lock. He did have Andrew lucked. Pryor Andrew lucked being damaged goods. Let's but he didn't look smart at the end of that game factor really nobody prairie prairie included boy. There's nothing more cringe-worthy than watching these broadcast teams talk themselves into circles and contradict themselves. Don't have an officiating associating expert if the officiating expert is going to be just as inconsistent is what we believe we're seeing on the field with these calls and these past interference reviews their doc. ID number right there to fail on these things. I think the replay is worthwhile I do. I do 'cause 'cause a Lotta. You'll a big part of me says let's just go back to the way it was. Let's let these guys judge the game for what what they see on the field if they miss when they miss one they missed they missed a lot. Get reassigned referee high school football in South Carolina on Friday nights. I see that as an insult you know I I'd probably be perfectly good with the life where by Friday nights where you know the consisted of officiating icicle by those guys are in great shape and not one not a single officially never met an official. That's under the age of fifty but they run with these high school. Kids College kids kids you know then you get into the high levels visual ones the NFL even the CFL games garbage but at least the athletes are pretty good so the referees have to be as well. I should've prepared material to dale the AL for Canadian Synonyms for penalty flags by the the Oh. You can't do that rag the the whistle just bill dickey Carolina say greatest Thursday. That's not the best you could the Thursday night football. It's what we get because we get a lot of these divisional matchups games is that Fox and CBS don't mind let go even though Fox's sending their their broadcast team Canada Ltd camera crew I yeah I don't think that it affected the the play at the end of the game in a reset. The Situation Carolina sets up fourth and one Tampa tries to call two consecutive timeouts which you cannot do and if the referees ignore it you play on but if the referees acknowledge it they got a penalize the team that made the mistake. It's a lot better than basketball where everybody to cost Michigan National Championship against North Carolina where it could have cost the cavs a run at the NBA Finals in in Twenty fifteen. It gets Chicago Bulls. David Platt tries call timeout teams down to one in the series best to seven waves off time out and the rest don't acknowledge David Blatt than they broncos onto hit the the buzzer beater cavs go up to you end up winning the series four to two if they go down three one. That's a different set of circumstances and you could play the what if game all day long but you know for for Tampa Bay it didn't it didn't surrender the first down by about a half behalf of yard at of thinking you've got Cam Newton. This is a giveaway the you just gave them the first down by making it that short of a play because you got hit with a delay of game call. They're completely unnecessary stuff that you get coaches. Fire Bruce Arians just got there comes with a very long very credible resume but the they didn't win this game. They were just less worse then Carolina on this particular night at I sure hope that we see the Cam Newton of years passed before we see this version that played on Thursday night football ever again otherwise we're not gonNA see can't play very much more football on the other side very mcmorris GonNa catch us up with what went down in Major League baseball. We're and that stretch run folks. We'll be right back with more sports overnight America on Sirius. Xm Channel Two eleven right after the break cover to shell the back as Ulsan income's motion from Florida near the snap they back wing passed out of the Backfield McCaffrey talk fifteen ten the five touchdown Carolina WanNa go deep fry. This is sports overnight America with your host Jeff rich rich in what a fly somewhere looking looking for cheap flights or cheap tickets then call that's right call the low cost airline travel hotline now for prices so low. We can't publish them anywhere. Low Cost Airlines has all kinds of cheap travel deals fly domestically and save up to seventy five percent. You can even fly internationally and save even more yes fly anywhere where in the world and save a lot of money on your plane tickets. 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Gladly turning in another two months had a Yankees lead to law for listening to sports overnight America good evening for sports byline. I'm Mary Mc Mara With Your Major League Baseball final scores in the American league the Yankees hold the Tigers four runs in each game of their double header last night's meeting being slated for rain Yankees take both games tend to four and six to four Kansas City outscores the white sox six to three the red sox avoid being swept by the Blue Jays and also a sixth straight loss with a seven four win the Rangers six to four win over Tampa Ebbe knocks the raise out of the AL wildcard lead which gets taken over by the as after the Astros three two over in the National League the mets that set a team record was six home runs and defeat the diamondbacks eleven to one New York outscored the snakes twenty six four a four game sweep Milwaukee sweeps sweeps the marlins with a three two win they have now won seven straight the rockies get buried early by the cardinals and cannot dig themselves out they lose ten to three Yu. Darvish Darvish strikes out fourteen in the cubs four two one win over the padres the pirates take three of four from the giants after four to win and Atlanta and Philadelphia go back back and forth until the phillies breaking opus eighth inning they go on to win nine to five over in interleague action richhill returned to the dodgers after being out since June with with an arm injury and then tears and MC on the process dodger still beat Baltimore afforded to the nationals topped the twins twelve to six and reds at Mariners is is our league game tonight since they are in the ninth and that's a wrap from now from the MLB will throw it back all right. That's Voice Mary Barra she's always always keeping score for us here sports overnight America program and we get closer and closer to the postseason Ian Major League Baseball and Mary you know I see the cubs game today but I heard you struck out fourteen. You know I didn't see it. Either you struck out fourteen you you struck out fourteen and I usually have time during my nine to five to like have baseball on in the background and it would go figure that today the day Yu Darvish shows up does the day that I cannot show up so I'd like to say I really need it with my own eyes to believe it to be fair. He did it in San Diego and that's not where he he struggles. He struggles at Wrigley which is unfortunately where to the cubs play about half of their games yeah well the whole team struggles everywhere apparently no they play really well all at home. He plays so well at home that could suck on the road and they started to get a little crappy on the road or at home a little crappy at home the crap out of the room because it went from having road struggles and we're like we're fine. We have our home games. Then we started losing home games to you started using games the whole time yeah this is right then yeah no now we get four games back and that's where we are and the walkies. He's retired due to count Milwaukee. They don't have Yelich initially yes hauer. They have not geared down at all without without him so far. How valuable can the most valuable player be? Maybe we'll see I mean maybe it's GonNa take something a little bit more work from guys covering doing what he would normally do for to show we only have two and a half weeks left a little bit of inspiration the whole win one for the Chris Yeah maybe but I mean yeah initially in what what is happening Monday Tuesday I mean this is a this week thing right. Oh definitely yeah so far. I mean they'd won seven straight so they haven't even lost any since they lost. Tim and they're still doing obviously fine. Mats Fall further back behind the Atlanta braves bridges are going to quietly repeat as champions in the alleys and phillies didn't get good didn't get enough out of Bryce Harper in your one but feared Philadelphia because you've got twelve more years. It's bound to come at some point and quietly for the braves is the correct word. I will honestly admit that I really forget about the braves every single baseball every single Susan baseball season starts and you say something about Oh Blah Blah Blah's playing the braves and I'm like Oh lettuce has a team and they do well forever there. There hasn't been in recent years that they haven't done well but they just never they don't stick. I guess they don't probably goes what coverage is. That's true you know house much as red sox dodgers or your money you know the Yankees. The Yankees are good this year and they've done it without organic talent. You know they hit. Did you have an advantage even with their organic talent. That's that's that comes cheap enough for teams like San Diego and Cleveland to hang out of those players for the first six years but the Yankees he's have the advantage that if you're comfortable playing New York and you're young and you're good and you deserve the money that it's going you know that you're going to get it from the The New York Yankees but think about all the highest paid players of the Aussies Nolan Aeronautics Colorado rockies eliminated from the analyst eliminated from the wild card no contest for the Colorado rockies my preseason pick for the NFL less champions yeah. I think a lot of people are surprised to see that happen with the rockies. No one could have possibly expected this. I certainly didn't I was not looking forward to seeing them again. This year. They're going to be Paschi. They're going to be hanging around just like the brewers and it's GonNa be there hanging out do Iraqi thing. Manny Machado got three hundred million dollars from padres. They're nowhere near the playoff. Jay's also also traced price Harper phillies are two games two games back then the mets games back there back to the wild card okay so Philadelphia's the exception because Mike Trout caught a four hundred billion dollar deal from the angels and the angels thanks for playing better luck next year they even gone to the playoffs. Sometimes as I say things out loud the hamster gets back on the wheel yeah just that one time so the as the as Tampa Bay of Minnesota are the teams that I'm watching you know the Indians Nice little sleep sleep of the angels. They're they're just running fast. They're just running fast they. They don't know who they're chasing chasing anyone. I think that they are just going to. They're just going going to try to win every game that they play. That's that's all you can do. You can't worry about you. You have no influence on what happens when Minnesota plays the nationals you would. I think that the way the Justin verlander dominates all of Major League baseball that he could handle the PS the piddly little Oakland athletics on Thursday night at home in a less. It's the ball's juiced balls. Just didn't get it all just tonight. I suppose Mary juice dodgers have nothing to play for and I I think that this is detrimental to the dodgers Rogers even though they've advanced to the world series last couple of years. I think that when you have for this long I mean it's September twelfth than dodgers clinch. Two who days ago or it was yesterday. They all blur together for me. I might have even been Monday three weeks man. They might have been over the weekend. We had a live on the air so it must've been Monday or Tuesday here but the you know the dodgers seven years ago so they feel like they've accomplished nothing at this point. Maybe that's a good thing further every year. It's not like they get swept in the first round. Every year. I have a bunch of times they will. They lost in seven to Houston and then they lost six to the red sox. I feel bill. That's a wash. I'm not gonNA say that by winning two games winning three games in the world series lead. You were that much better that much worse you know. Sometimes it's just a matter of the level competition that's you're playing but they've managed to get past the cobs and the braves. They've managed to get to world series two years in a row they you don't even see that a lot. Let last time we had a repeat world. Series champion was nine hundred ninety nine with the Yankees are two thousand two Yeah Yeah Ninety eight ninety nine thousand. They want all three of them and you know maybe they went for the first time since two thousand nine. We talked about the braves being quiet. Am Back to back champion quench yet. Magic number is is to over there so pricey it this weekend actually that that's that's the second seat. I think that that puts the dodgers as the one seed. I think this is all the play of the playoffs began today. Cleveland would be on the outside looking looking in and you'd have another tiebreaker game for the cubs against the Milwaukee brewers can't wait right cannot wait on my excited cap. Can you hear the excitement sere so spoilt. You're so darn spoiled with a World Series Championship. I hope to be as despoiled as you are. Ill at some point in the near future but the Indians window is closing. I don't think that a lot of us are optimistic that even if they do reach the postseason that they're going to go very far you know maybe they win the win one game wild card but you'll really hard to see them surviving a series as with with Houston with even the twins or we'll see them play the twins over the weekend Cleveland and I suspect that they're not going to to close the gap anymore. We gotTA throw to a break shout out to our troops listening out there on the American forces network. My Name's Jeff Rich. 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He's got to the end zone touchdown Willie state other receiving end and the ravens four per four possession touch Dow wow I downplay thanks to the right went into this is sports overnight America welcome back it is sports overnight America slackened will. NFL Football Major League Baseball with you here Jeff Rich from Phoenix Arizona give to me on twitter at Jeff rich talks Mary mcmorris gives you your score updates each and every night at Mary McNamara on the twitter but checkout on Instagram to at always keeping score and speaking of always keeping score the reds and the mariners have gone final they have completed their match tonight Cincinnati on top eleven and five okay. I was hoping we'd get a score somewhere in there other than you know. You were just GonNa confirm that the game was over. It was done nothing else to see move along move dc here now to hear some some sad news from Orange County that the show taty the two way player. He's injured more often than he's not. He's going to undergo left knee surgery and they you know the only question I could ask and it really doesn't matter because they went off all the games in the series but why couldn't you get this surgery before he hit like four on runs in four innings against the Indian Indians. It's just it's like really under- just not that lucky. Is it that I'm just not that lucky years the Justin verlander and show you Tony he possibly I mean as far as I know we have not made fun of one of them nearly as much as we have the other if not at all I would make fun of Shohei Ohtani I. He doesn't say I mean I don't understand. He says plenty. I'm sure but I don't understand any of event a he. He pitches he he heads You always been a great ambassador. He's not he's not this all this phenomenon that's come over but he's had a following and if he was healthy the whole time he's a good pitcher. He's a pretty good header. I mean this. This thing is working. I hope that there are more Shohei Otani. Is You know not just Japanese imports you know by actual players that can play the the entire game. Mike Lee Could play the entire game and I think that pitcher shut I think we're going to go in a direction and I I've never Astra feelings on this but I think we're turning in a direction where it's more likely that the National League will end up with a designated hitter that the American League getting rid of a bit veg actually but I think we're gonNA dance around for a couple more years before they finally just initiated an will you know in the National League is kind of snobby in the National League. He's been playing baseball since like the eighteen seventies in the American league just came to be in one thousand nine hundred one. That's by call the National League the Senior Circuit the American League the junior circuit as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't matter if it's Kinda weird when you have to give you know during interleague play when the American League has to give up update designated hitter and have their pitcher bat but you know the nationally pitchers batting. They're just a little more experienced added probably a little bit better in you know the best time to punt never never lets you WanNa Make Jeff Mad pitchers. Give I mean if you can get on base you know if if you could push your past pitcher shortstop Leah deep a you know and you could use it as a device to get on base so that you can help your team by by by way of scoring runs since one thing but that is not doing what I my absolute cardinal thing against Bundy is that you're giving away an out and you only get three of those in the ending and we've seen plenty of pictures get three outs with the bases loaded and nobody out so you know you think you're slick with bunting with nobody out runners on first and second to go second and third one out they walked the next guy get get the guy after two grounded into a double-play and you've taken the bat out of two players you know the player that bonded as well as the player that walks so pontic socks and therefore I it should never ever take place but bunting with the intention of being out because it just one out of ten times successful. Maybe it's a little more successful sessile than onsite kicking the key my baseball you know two and a half times out of ten is is okay. I mean right now. We don't even care about batting average so you could be two point three times out of ten to thirty which was just dreadful that get you sat down to the minor leagues in the One thousand nine hundred eighty s but now they care about launch angle and home runs and slugging percentage edge and on base percentage so if you walk a lot you hit a lot of doubles. It doesn't matter if you if you don't hit hit two eighty or three hundred three hundred used to be the mark of an all-star. Nobody has three very few players at three hundred. Even Albert Pool stopped hitting three hundred but that's just he just played to you just lead to a a basketball has been playing for too long that the stars don't feel like going. Did you know that they lost to France in has been actually I wake up every morning morning like most people I grabbed my phone the alarm off and there's always sports updates and the last two mornings have been really pleasant in the sense that they have been about USA basketball and not what I don't like being slapped in the face immediately with Antonio Brown stuff kind of easing into my day before circuiting those updates until the last two mornings. I have actually been very thrilled although ultimately sad that they were reports that they had lost but it was just nice to get a different updating Pittsburgh Antonio Brown's former team is records to host the chickens and here was one of those. You just can't believe unless you look it up verify it C- check INS. How many points do you suppose that they've have scored and Pittsburgh since one thousand nine hundred nine fourteen numbers zero that's they've not scored a points? Y2K AT AOL and meetings Oh probably not that many of you out there that frequently because they they just moved to the NFC so I mean they would've played Pittsburgh a little more frequently when they were all in the in Seattle was in the AFC west now they've gone to the NFC Soleil only see each other every four years and you know it's only eight every eight years that you make a trip. you know you know the Cleveland browns the Pittsburgh steelers they didn't make are the they didn't play Arizona at home in two thousand seven or two thousand eleven so they went from two thousand four four or two thousand three to twenty fifteen without you know without playing the cardinals or the or the Hawks at home so some of those trips can be it could be twelve years so the the it's probably Realistically Ben League Three Times Score points at some point you should even the browns score. Browse made is score some point I mean it's usually like forty one to nine or thirty four to seven but but the browns managed to score some points against Pittsburgh Pittsburgh was kind of a powerhouse there for a bit they've kind of start to fall off in the last couple of years but even Seattle was a powerhouse their forbid she stole power house steel is good. I don't know that there's still a powerhouse. It's been a while since the super bowl and a Lotta. That cast is gone away but you know that's what happens when you gotta Pay Your Order Back More than you can pay any player on the defensive side of the ball and and if I'm a Seattle Seahawk the Hawk that was part of that all legion of boom thing on the defensive side of the ball. I'm upset that Russell Wilson is getting paid aren't you. I just don't don't did not as passionate about football enough as you are. Are you gonNA wake up on Sunday and find out about Russell Wilson summer excursion to Brazil because that's a that's a thing oh isn't now now. Now I know Sunday's everyone else is preoccupied with football. So I enjoy the day by myself and silence. Antonio Brown actually didn't do much in the way of making news Seattle at Pittsburgh. I mentioned that's that's one of the early games on Fox. The country's GonNa Get Dallas Washy Ted of course you know a small corner of the state of Maryland in our entire state of Arizona. Would I guess guess who we get to watch. I don't even know who the cardinals are playing. I don't have any idea who the bears are playing. I have no idea the Denver the Denver so they're going to batch up against their old defensive coordinator and you have this long gap between opening up on Thursday in the not laying until the following Sunday they get to relish in their victory but you know the bears kind of have to wear this one. The bears are the same same position of the Browns browns. We have to wait until Monday to play after playing on on Sunday but to go Thursday through the weekend and then play on the following Sunday. Young bears are going to be hungry. I think the bears are going to get after it. I think we're GONNA see out of Chicago's defense. Fetch what we saw both Tampa Bay Carolina's defense on Thursday night and that's that's getting after the quarterback you know keep preventing touchdowns from happening which it doesn't make for very entertaining product but it's ultimately good football because he only if your defense stopping everyone your offense asked to do minimal work and for Carolina's good thing that they have good defense as much as you and I both liked Cam Cameron Newton he didn't have it and he might not have it anymore. You know anybody's it's been awhile and address lucky into the league the year after him in retired. I don't know the Cam Newton's for that far behind now. It's he's been around for a while. He had had some really strong years. It's you want to think that they're gonNA play forever like they have but at some point it's Kinda stopped. It's kind of slow down a bit. That's why why we can't drop deuces on the the players that don't win super bowls you know if we known that you know and and we don't know the CAM. Newton's career is going to be you know around on the eleventh of of Andrew Lock sees you know he's a year more into the league. He was taken number one overall in two thousand eleven a lock in twenty twelve but losing the Super Super Bowl to the Denver broncos might be the peak bowman and that's that's an amazing accomplishment for anybody. I mean how you know there's only they've only played like fifty two of these super bowls also to be the starting quarterback for one of those teams. I mean you know there are less than a hundred and four because you had a lot of guys like Troy Aikman Terry Bradshaw than to Kurt Warner that played in multiple super bowls but you'll sometimes the peak isn't the the story book ending and that's Okay I. I don't think that we knocked Cam. Newton's career breath the his best days are behind him and we know that he made he made the most of playing in the national football league. I feel like two games into the season as a little a bit too soon to be talking about taking him behind the barn and putting them out of his misery and we're not talking about taking behind the he's he's done. He's decrepit he can't doing anymore. You May as well also just throw tall yeah I understand. It's two games yeah. He's not on his death but we haven't even taken we haven't he was it has to go to the hospital just yet but what a play today it's Thursday. Maybe you want to do were eulogies. He loves playing. I knock okay I knock is it like being football players more than they actually like playing football they Cam Newton actually likes playing football. I think that he enjoys his celebrity. Enjoys is the good that he could do with it and if it if it doesn't come through over the air I will just you know stated in plain English. I'm a big Fan of Cam Newton aw as much as I like any non Cleveland Brown in the National Football League I do appreciate Cam Newton and I hated them at Auburn. I hated him college player. I think a lot of people did I think Nigga lot of people had a chip on their shoulder when he first joined the NFL but he just he did well. He played well. He did things in the community charitable things he has made me Christ several times. I have seen his heart warming videos of surprising fans. How could you hate him after that? I think it was the fourth or fifth video of sobbing uncontrollable sobbing different videos menu where I was finding like okay. I'm okay now. He was when he did these talking about it. It was what he did. The Batman Halloween Party early Tolbert you know for the for the kid that wasn't going to make it to the end of October which is really a sad reality of all these these make a wish type kids that the players players very much embrace and give them some quality to what ends up unfortunately being a very short life Indianapolis at Tennessee. Let's let's go out with this Logan Ryan. You know this is this is a player from Tennessee jumped into the stands in Cleveland had veer still autumn at really no harm no foul he takes his Jersey off and does whatever with it after the game but you know he had to make a big fuss on twitter about have the beer spilled out him and now the browns fan the fan. That's filled it. Does that feel like overreach. Did I catch the part where you said he jumped into these damn into the stands. We know Saddam go home all right more on Logan Ryan. 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Basically this Logan Ryan for the Tennessee Titans goes up into the stands has beer poured autumn and we're not talking about being doused with yell and pelted with bottles. We're talking about with shaking the last ounce and a half out of seventeen seventeen fifty seven beard first energy stadium in Cleveland. I tell you what I'll tell you what he was. The browns said they were going to ban this fan. He said Justice served in no other instance when I let someone throw beer in my face but I'm not able to retaliate obviously that would hurt by team that would hurt my pocketbook book. That would hurt a lot of things so I'm not able to protect myself. I don't want to be around our test also for that. It's it's I kept my cool and justice was served. I don't think that he knows the meaning of the Word Justice and in fact I would encourage you know fans that watch their home team play Tennessee and it's going going to be the Jaguars the falcons the broncos the titans the panthers on out the titans the colts the raiders when they go to the blackhall I would I would bring cakes to four on one Logan Ryan. I'm going to get out of here before I do get into too much trouble for Mary. Mc Mar Scott on the other side of the glass. My name is Jeff Rich. You've been listening to sports overnight America Patch Radio Sirius. Xm Channel Two eleven states for sports coming your way next hour on these sports byline broadcast network who you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network at live dot hotline newsfeed dot com this stream stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's the public service newscast Thursday September the twelve twenty nineteen. I'm Mike Clifford the US Supreme Court backs trump by the strict asylum rule and protests expected when the president visits what he called Roden vested Baltimore First Our top story the Supreme Court allowing nationwide enforcement now the new trump administration rule prevents most Central American immigrants seeking asylum in the US that from the Washington impost they report the order late Wednesday temporarily on does a lower court ruling that blocked the new asylum policy had some states along the southern border the post ads the policy is meant to deny asylum to anyone who passes through another country on the weight of the US without seeking protection there. I most people crossing the southern border are Central America's flea violence of poverty. They're largely in eligible under the new rule as our asylum seekers from Africa Asia and South America just six weeks after President Trump attacked Baltimore on twitter as a rat and rodent infested mess a group of activists plan to protest the presence appears the city today trump will be speaking at the Twenty Nineteen House Republican retreat dinner at a downtown hotel outside hundreds are expected it to rally against his policies on immigration war in climate change says Miranda Bachman organizer for ice at a Baltimore one of the groups involved in the protest great test. We deeply oppose trump's policies. His Policies Racism is policies of division of workers at a press people in poor people aw we have seen him attack migrants refugees and make attack that are not so veiled and are racist trump has stood by his comments a majority Black Baltimore Baltimore and his criticism of the city's Democratic Congressman Elijah Cummings. I'm Diane Bernard Reporting Uber Lift drivers other allies is in the Labor movement or urging Governor Gavin Newsom to sign a bill. Ab Five passed on Wednesday that would reclassify tens of thousands of California Contract Workers Bruce as employees the measure could give the employees access to minimum wage guarantees unemployment insurance and workers comp aiden Alva- is a lift driver and activists with the group GIG workers rising. He says right now the multibillion dollar companies business model depends on the constant availability of drivers but workers make nothing while they're waiting for a GIG lifting uber directly benefiting from non teen flavor of drivers in order to resolve they need to pay for the time when people are waiting for derives the law sets up a test whereby companies will have to prove that contract workers are not doing work central to the business and Uber's. CEO Said said Wednesday he will press that claim and refuses to reclassify contract workers as employees companies are also planning a ballot measure next year that would gut ab five. I'm Suzanne Potter. This is p. S. The amount of toxic waste from oil and gas drilling in Pennsylvania has skyrocketed in recent years ears now a new BAP. Let you know what's being dumped nearby in two thousand eighteen alone fracking in the keystone state generated sixty nine million barrels of liquid waste and one point point four million tonnes of solid waste that wastes contains heavy metals such as lead and arsenic and radioactive elements such as radium to twenty-six but it is exempt exempt from federal and state hazardous waste regulations most of it ends up in landfills and other disposal sites in Pennsylvania according to Melissa Trautmann with earthworks works their new interactive map allows anyone to locate nearby disposal sites by typing in their address. The map shows where those places are what kinds of waste has been processed or disposed of at that particular site and also what year the map and accompanying reporter online at earthworks dot dot org. I'm Andrea Sears reporting the school year is here Eric for reports that means teachers once again reaching into their pockets pay for supplies in the classroom. Ashra the Economic Policy Institute analysis of National Center for Education Statistics Data Finds Oregon teachers spent four hundred sixty three dollars of their own money on supplies for the two thousand eleven school year compared with the national average of four hundred fifty nine dollars that might seem like a post recession spike but the national average was actually up by the two thousand fifteen school year to four hundred eighty dollars state averages weren't available for that Year Economic Policy Institute economist Immigrants Says this is a unique burden. If you're a single female profession. How normal is it that you have to go to work with your own materials and these days? It's not just for them it for children. The analysis of vines that average spending at high poverty schools was five hundred twenty three dollars compared with four hundred thirty four dollars. It was that low poverty schools and finally our Dan hyman reports for school back in doctors are saying your mom is right time to turn off the phone get to bed because you really do need a good night's sleep Dr Simone Faron a cardiologists with Theta care points information from the American Heart Association Asian and others. She says it shows that for their mental emotional and physical health teams should turn the screen off well before bedtime the laptop the TV the cell phones smartphones. What I would recommend is at least two hours before bedtime you know Faron says research confirms firms what parents always say that foggy feeling you get without enough sleep means poorer learning worst decision making and long-term issues with physical health a lack of sleep old disrupt their thinking and emotions and could push up to take chances they should I buy Clifford Public Service we are member enlisted supported and and we're online at public do service DOT? Org Happy to have you with us. We are live ten to midnight or civic time Monday through Thursday Thursday night and on Thursdays we touch you look ahead to the weekend and what are we can. we have on TAP. We've got baseball. We've got the twins in the Indians. That's the closest division race this you have in Major League Baseball and it you know the the ideas are in the position of luxury for every team on the outside looking in their closer than anybody else to the wildcard they are closed or than any second tip placed team the first place they're chasing their fourth straight postseason appearance ever won the world series since nineteen forty eight having been there since two thousand sixteen. They've got some buzzsaws awaiting them in the American league playoffs but I think given all the circumstances cookie Casco's Leukemia Corey Kluber broken arm Franscisco lindores starting on the injured list Jose Ramirez whereas struggling snapping out of his slump and that basically going down for the entire season with a Hamid trump tower being traded away the Cleveland Idiots expectations changed from March to September and these last few weeks of the season are going to be fun. I don't I think that there's any blowing up of anything. If the Indians do come up short but just know that they're close they kind of control their own destiny given the the amount of games they have against the twins given the chances that the Oakland Athletics Tampa Bay rays one of those two teams going to lose games some baseball games so they will have an opportunity. They may have to rip off thirteen to fifteen down the stretch. We'll talk about the weekends. NFL Games as well as college football mediums Jeff Rich and sports overnight America. We're on Dan Patrick Radio Siriusxm Channel to eleven in this course bylined broadcast network in we'll be right back yeah Hey travelers. Do you want to save money on your next flight then pick up the phone and call that's right call because the best prices are not online. They're with smartfares. See smartfares has special deals deals with the airlines when they have unsold seats they use smartfares to fill them so you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices. 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You're listening to sports overnight America with Jeff Rich. Okay everybody welcome back talkable Major League baseball right from the jumped here here just kind of what I expect to happen down the stretch out. The American League is should be mostly chalk. I'm GonNa go with the Yankees. I'm going to go with the twins and I'm GonNa you go with the Houston Astros. Those are not big stretches. The twins good really put things away over the weekend by handling their business in in Cleveland against the Indians yeah the audience. It's not how they play in August and September. It's going to be about how they played in April and May when they let the twins get out I mean they enter June with the twins having like a ten and a half game lead and they brought it close but they spent so much energy bringing closed and then the twins heat heated backup the Indians were like forty one and seventeen they were playing on an unreal pace and that's why we thought about Minnesota early in the season that they would come back to earth and perhaps drop a little bit below sea level but the problem with Minnesota was there regression would just made made them very good team instead of a great team in the Indians. I think that they played great for some stretches but they they just aren't that great a team. They don't have the offense of Pop. They don't have the spark that the twins have very nice season from Carlos Santana Franscisco endures a special player the starting rotation the taxes the would be taxi squad but they've been great errands volley in Zach Police AC by clever has been the ace of that staff excludes shamed beaver was the all-star game heavy which doesn't really mean anything except for the fact that he pitched in the all-star game a struck out the side on its home field. You know they're relief. pitchers that are GONNA do that probably not not against the National League All Star Team though rest of the division was the absolute rags Kansas City and Detroit are GonNa Struggle with one hundred games are cannot lose one hundred games in fact Detroit already done it thought Detroit could be worse than Baltimore this season Baltimore's right on the verge in Chicago Chicago's promising Chicago. Does it see it as as desolate as the as the other two as Kansas City of Detroit city date Moore's built a winner before maybe he will do it again in the West. I think that everybody is is really kind of on the awesome. Even Seattle seal had just an awful sees after after a red hot start imagine they didn't have that red hot start there in there in Tiger and in Baltimore oriole territory if they don't have that hot start the agency interests gotta figure you're the elder pools wasn't the answer to complimenting Mark Mike Trump. You need another great player when you need to develop pitching is is is okay out there but Oakland looks like they're on their way up by. Houston's did already a video game cheat code so you how does that bode for for Texas in the angels. I think they they've both got pieces. I I think that they are a couple of pieces that they probably will not acquire away. Baseball is one of the sports uh I think you'd rather be you'd rather be be okay for lock stretch rather than he'll either either being the best team in the worst and that's what you WanNa be in the NBA. That's kind of what you want to be in the NFL. You ought to be at the top of the draft you you want to be at the top of the standards not ways to over the National League. I had Atlanta Chicago and the ROCKIES rockies at both wildcards coming out of the East I had the nats and the phillies coming out of the East Milwaukee Saint Louis missing the playoffs altogether. Mike Schultz die really good job there in Saint Louis. They're they're better than the cubs right now. They're a better ballclub that wasn't necessarily true in in June and July when the cubs but in the standings are what they are Philadelphia being behind the mets in the standings. I didn't expect that you know that's GonNa hold up. There actually actually tied at the moment with with sixteen games to play sixteen games to play second second fourth place in the national yeast are are separated by five and a half games and that's significant. I don't think that that either the mats or Phillies are going to be able to catch the Washington nationals but you know the the braves are about to clinch that division and the nats are playing them for the nats. You know you can't just let Atlanta clinched the division. I it's not about Atlanta points by yourself. It's about playing a home game. It's about trying to win a best of five series for first time in franchise history when postseason series at all you know the last time the the that organization late in the LCI ass it was as the expos. I got the Philadelphia Phillies when all you do win your division and I know that that's easier said than done. Terry Francona was playing left left field for the Montreal Expos last time that organization was that close to the world series central's been amass Cincinnati at Pittsburgh hung around for a long time it created a lot of parody and it created teams that are just a Scotch scorched over five hundred on the outside looking in just as it stands right now. They're they're six and only five get in by half game. They're wins would overwhelmingly be the best wildcard team in the nationally better than the nats by about a handful of games double digits. It's like over you know over the diamondbacks and the New York mets Philadelphia phillies being in the League's that you play in baseball this fair to an extent for baseball's not completely fair. This was fair. You take the top eight teams from out of the thirty and you play you play a tournament and you try to separate the American League as as much as possible. Ideally you want you to WanNa go four and four you can you can have whatever type of playing four wildcard teams playing into playing into one just pick a city do the American League wild-card city do the nationally wild-card invite the four teams play an entertaining Friday Saturday or even Saturday Sunday Monday not Monday Tuesday Zuroff. I I think we weekday games and baseball forced into it but eventually you could play Yo. You can have four teams Goto. We'll just say the American league champions in the National League or maybe even the runners up from the year before ev your your best four nine division champs and it gets pretty gets pretty hollow after the Indians the as and the raise in the in the American League Texas is about five hundred Bob Boston's a couple of games OVER SO BOSTON TAMPA Bay Cleveland in Oakland Single Elimination Tournament some is on Saturday final on Sunday do the same thing over in the National League said four teams up to Milwaukee Milwaukee would actually be one of those teams on cobbs Milwaukee and you'd have to have like a three legged sack race between the New York mets and the Philadelphia Phillies to determine who that fourth team would be in the NFL Wildcard Tournament expand expand you got sixteen out of thirty in the NBA that goes the playoffs did over the NHL thirty. 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Yes Oh yes on appeal seventy five yard in Henry from our guest starring at just like that and that's an answer the capital lane yes to forty seven to go first quarter liens in at running back. Damien Williams faked ahead Pete drop this time the homes whiteside Lord Often Twenty fifteen touchdown Sammy Watkins pillows up touch Chan city one hundred fifty yards receiving and a quarter percent Watkins. This is sports overnight America with your host Jeff Rich. How about that welcome back everyone? It's sports overnight America once again Jeff Rich McHugh from Phoenix Arizona go ahead follow me on twitter at Jeff rich talks and he can also check out my website. JEFF RICH TALKS DOT COM. It's a work in progress but we'll get it there. We'll get show archives up. I'll do some videos and some social media crap everything that the kids love these days and I you guys will eat it up for sure sure and I know there's one topic I'm not particularly into it as in I don't put my money where my mouth is. My mouth rights plenty of shacks ax I don't know that my rear end can cash each and every one of them but when I talk about point spreads and picking in Games and I say this for entertaining entertainment purposes only most people are for our full of it last week's lunches less crops dean. I used to say you know full last week's launch vomit yell or you know the fecal matter but you know I do watch the games I do you kind of know what to pick to warn against the guests. The spread way you two different things I try to pick three upsets in college football going one one and two because Oregon state couldn't come through through for me on Sunday morning in the East against Hawaii. Minnesota picked off Fresno State's. It's a chance that the upset at the goal line in Carolina Edge out Miami I actually had a buddy that picked army over Michigan and that came very close to being a true thing in Colorado did upset Nebraska. That was another one of his big so I'm not doing too well. In either poll. I did not go perfect one of the guys in my favorite underdog underdog over under did go three and last week but I missed out on Jacksonville and now we've got men's shoe mania going on there with the Jacksonville Jaguars even though they could very conceivably come out owen sue and everybody's still going to eat up this this kid from Washington state eight point quarterback. He's got a mustache and his charisma attic. He's like he's like Baker Mayfield with probably not quite as much talent other taking taxes Texans are going to be angry. that's an eight and a half point spread. I mean you might WanNa take the points in Jacksonville like that. HOUSTON'S GONNA win this game which isn't that bold or the end up minus four thirty so you got a better you got four hundred thirty to win a hundred on the Houston Texans Vince Jacksonville. They're smart play if you're just playing the game point spread I don't know that they are though they blown out by the chiefs. They were plus four chiefs. They lost by like thirty six. So against Houston Houston teams the the probably feels like in most ways that they they defeated the saints if not having to take on a obviously future hall of Famer the Texans in every regard at home in this game after playing and the difficult climate that is the New Orleans superdome. I the Ravens at home against the cardinals now it's even been worse minus eight hundred kick the Ravens on eight hundred dollars to win a hundred on the money line for the Baltimore Ravens cardinals getting thirteen they tied the Detroit lions but this team that they're playing is not the Detroit lions I would not be surprised. Verizon kept this close for awhile and that we don't see a first-half. It's like Kylo Murray had against Detroit that we see him not spectacular but not dreadful so I like the favorites there. Let's see what are the bills are favored on the road against the giants. I like them and you know I'm GonNa take them give away a point and a half because the the chances this is our if they win close it's GonNa be by three and I do think that they win the football game and I think that the bills are probably the second best team in the AFC east the Patriots will be playing the dolphins that that point spread just gets more and more ridiculous. It's at nineteen and a half as I speak to you few days before the game. Patriots are probably GonNa Have Antonio Brown on the field hundred thousand on the dolphins. That's that's not a bad bad if the dolphins had the foggiest chance Minnesota and Green Bay but a soda might be a good not but at Lambeau the way the Green Bay played at Chicago. They're going to go home. They're going to play some good defense and they're they're going to be in a dogfight with the Minnesota Vikings beings and I think that that division goes down to the last day of the season. I picked the Chicago bears in that division. It might be a little bit like Colorado is pick in Colorado rockies picked to win the NFL last fast as it can happen Fhimah stick with it. I wasn't GonNa jump off the bears because of one bad performance the browns a Mulligan to they play on Monday night football against the jets the jets don't have Sam Darnold Juju mononucleosis and you know my one comment about motto is I don't don't know much about it but I can say this that I was not even close to cool enough in highschool to let some check make out with me and give me mono near you you gotta you gotTa do the Part A. Otherwise everything else is face to the underpants. No we're going to tell you a phase. Three is the prophet cowboys and Redskins old school rivalry game cowboys on the road redskins a little bit of a clunker late against Philadelphia but they know what Philadelphia's I wouldn't be surprised Washington getting six. I wouldn't be surprised Washington when the straight up by the Dallas Dallas cowboys have very few weakness the offensive line still great. The defense seems to have it together though the giants made some headway against them. I don't know I the redskins are able to do what they did. It early gets Philadelphia and maybe they don't lose the momentum playing at home in landover Maryland niners and Bengals niners doing their the youngstown thing I thought that was a horrible thing but kyle Shanahan buys into the whole Youngstown East Coast niners thing and bengals better than people give them credit for Zack. Taylor enjoys inspired confidence in a close loss to Seattle wins isn't losses didn't mean everything and we want as far as perception of these football teams Bengals bengals actually one and a half point point favorites. I'm taking the niners on the road. I believe in them really tasty over unders. You don't really get those until you about five or six weekends weeks into the season. The oddsmakers start over thinking things I I know that it's the public that over thinks things and that's why they keep building these buildings in Nevada. That's not because the house doesn't do well against the general public gambling wise but sometimes these early season numbers or a little bit off. Sometimes you can find one. That's really tantalizing but they they they tend to play safe numbers. Even though WADA Games are released go go over because the weather's still nice you know we'll start seeing thirty seven thirty eight for for the most part we're looking at forty seven forty forty three forty nine us according to Vodka Dot L. D. you know for the latest odds that since we're GONNA go chargers urges in lion's charges to garden way with one lions might have had one taken away from them. Why ins at home but I don't think it matters? I don't think the chargers play particularly particularly. I think the chargers since they've left San Diego. They play better away from whatever stadium they're calling their home venue giving three to Detroit. I think they win this. One straight up lions fall to a one in one titans given three to the colts I the the titans are a lot better than feel give them credit for the colts showed out a lot better than they are against the chargers a week ago. Look for the titans to win this one over order a forty four. I think that we're going to be right there. I would not be surprised to see this game wonder having seen both offenses a week ago chiefs and Raiders. How real are the Oakland Raiders? I'll tell you what I'm GonNa. Take them at home over. Take those seven half points and I'm watching them cover against it's the chiefs the raiders tend to play. They're not going to play in that stadium again until November third chief stall on the infield dirt in the Oakland Coliseum Vic Fangio had coached the Denver broncos very familiar with the Chicago bears my NFC North Pick. I'm taking broncos in the points. I think FLACCO figures it out. I think the bears defense is still really good but I like the broncos at home playing against there are are playing against their head coaches former team as an assistant coach Rams and Saints Rams they're vulnerable. Oh boy I think the saints could get this one on the road and then Philly keeps on rolling in Atlanta against the Atlanta Falcons and we'll talk about Monday night football but I want to talk some college football a when we come back on the other side I wanNA give a shout out to all the troops listening out there on the American forces network. My Name's jeffords the show is sports. It's overnight America. You're listening to this broadcast hour her down and two car drops back into the gun. Jacobs's off to his left. Three receivers are off to the right protection in zone diving. I take the opening kickoff and they stick it down the broncos throat. This is sports overnight America. Uh I just switched the family to boost mobile and we got so much more awesome like what we got four free. LG Stilo phone for the whole family four lines for just twenty five dollars per line per month with unlimited gigs. 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You know we've had minor upsets. Colorado over Nebraska is the statement Stephen Game. Even though what do we know about Nebraska that they weren't overwhelmingly great against South Alabama Alabama and they elect Colorado Creep back into this game and I wonder just how they're gonNA fair in the big ten if they are expected to compete for the big ten ten west title. I mean they've got Wisconsin. They've got Minnesota those. Are you know those your primary teams that are going to be in the way. I don't know what what exactly type of team Iowa is just yet but we're GONNA learn a little bit more about everybody in week three of College Football year showcase games in primetime. ABC's got Clemson and Syracuse Circus on a Friday night last last team to knock off Clemson Oklahoma and Ucla that game looked better on paper probably looked great twelve years ago when they scheduled it but chip Kelly's team is definitely struggling and Lincoln Riley team is going to pace those guys at the Rose Bowl aw in prime time Arizona State Michigan State is your midday game on Fox. I definitely struggled Michigan State's looked the part but haven't necessarily played anybody of note. I would expect a state eight to get vengeance on the sun devils. After last year's feel walk off field goal knocked off the Spartans at Sun Devil Stadium in fact. I can't think of a big ten team that's ever won their You know I've been here for eighteen years Iowa back in and I think it was a five year. They went down forty four to six in the reason they got sixers. 'cause they ask you punted the pundit instant kneeling the ball out like five seconds left Iowa at a all walk off like Fifty Yard Punt Return Ohio State Indiana. That's your noon football game on Fox. It's is going up against Pittsburgh at Penn State. Kansas State at Mississippi State on Aspen Aspen Has Arkansas state at at Georgia at radical story that George fans are GonNa Wear Pink in honor of Arkansas State's coach who I'm assuming was struck with an ailment of some sort usually it's breast cancer when they wear pink Miami of Ohio on Espn Piane you at Cincinnati the battle of southern Ohio you might call it Fox sports one. These are all new times. I games by the way North Carolina State eight at West Virginia West Virginia has not looked good. They didn't look good against Missouri. I don't know what the expectations are against North North Carolina's state but when Dana Alderson just kinda left ad job it was kind of over figured something up in Morgantown Morgantown West Virginia by the way where my father's Alma Mater will be playing their high school football fair port reports skippers going down to Morgantown Oregon town my father decided you know he does go to a lot of his alumnis games and eat depending on where you are in the country high school. Football is a very polarizing thing. I live in Arizona. I don't have children. I you know I don't have any connection to any of the local. Schools are kind of like to see four Arizona. Cardinal Kerry Taylor who was is dismissed and then rehired this past off season by the Arcadia high school which is my neck of the woods here in Phoenix Arizona but you know it's kind of crazy when you have a one square mile village on Lake Erie and you're going three hours south of Pittsburgh to have a game what happened was the opposing team. WANNA play eight football extended have enough players to feel the team and my alma mater was not down for that so they found an opponent in West Virginia good for them for them but all little side they're really means nothing anybody but me and and of course my father some of the tertiary networks. SEC see see network. Scott Chattanooga at Tennessee might be a win for Tennessee just because I don't know for a fact Chattanooga might be better than them. I'm open to the possibility sibility gun to my head. I'm not putting money on Tennessee and that one eastern Michigan Add Illinois on the big ten network -firmative Virginia Tech on the ACC now. I don't Know How you get the ACC network gets ACC digital channel but it wasn't show Saturday CBS sports network working got Maryland the upstart Maryland terrapins at Temple. It's actually kind of under the radar might be a decent football game if you don't really care hear about national standing at at twelve thirty eastern time so they'll at Georgia tech than then it one you've got air force at Colorado. That's on the PAC twelve network so I will not be able to tune in for that one and then he'll your meat and potatoes games mostly sleep three thirty to thirty starts so that's GONNA be eleven thirty out west New Mexico at Notre Dame Lobos making the trip to South Bend the debut of Notre Dame football on NBC. They were off in week two and the played at Louisville on Labor Day in the opening week. USC see the nation's worst to you know if you listen to the media Provo they're gonNA play Byu that game's going to be on ABC see Stanford Stanford's not as impressive anymore after what happened against USC a week ago of US's assist bad stanford loss of them how bad is how bad are the stanford cardinal the battle of Oklahoma Battle of the second best team even Oklahoma Oklahoma state at Tulsa on ESPN two and then Memphis at South Alabama South Alabama U s getting some love love talked about them playing Nebraska and the opening week. They'RE GONNA host Memphis. That's awful this so that would be a big win. Then I awoke at Iowa State Iowa state at a close one with northern Iowa Iowa Hawkeyes haven't really played anyone just yet is there's always a tough game always close game expect overtime just just expected when you talk about the Hawkeyes and the site clowns efforts are Hawkeye along Colorado State and Arkansas you know that game going to be on the SEC network I'm guessing GS Georgia state taking on Minnesota on the big ten network but the alternate our you can check out unlv northwestern North Western boy these that were the PAC twelve network really missing out on Idaho State at Utah or CAL polly at Oregon State or U. N. It's probably North Texas. That's actually a FBI school going to Berkeley take on cal Miami good chance at victory against the Thune Cookman. I think they played within cookman every year. It's a regular dealer. Non Conference game for the U. IS CAROLINA At avion. CBS Sports Network and army heard them. Come back from the break a very close to knocking off Michigan your go. There were very close to knocking off. Cuyler Murray led Oklahoma sooner team in Norman ah you know both games went into overtime you figure army is GonNa get one of those games eventually some of your four o'clock it goes out west at seven in eastern Florida at Kentucky Kentucky's one some of those games in Lexington Florida us to absolutely own that series Kent State they lost Abbas State I believe they played Kennesaw state at home and became victorious a week ago they take their Mac Shin down to Auburn Alabama take on the Gospels Lamar and Texas am that game happening on Espn you and then Fox sports one their primetime sometimes game the Northern Illinois huskies last time they went to Lincoln. They got the lineup in victory formation in walkaway and you could add Nebraska Aska. They'll list of Northern Illinois victims. I'm sure that they would love to have Florida state on that list. I'm sure that they would like to have Utah State on that list in any of these teams they've lost two in bowl games and what I expect is Northern Illinois to play the same type game that they played in Salt Lake City last week where they're competitive in the first half but it goes stale pretty fast Nebraska by a lot especially considering that they lost a last year against the state and they're not going to give them a return trip to Dekalb Illinois big ten network in Primetime time. TCU At purdue a Washington host Hawaii the elusive PAC twelve network ooh got late late night football there. We Got Montana at Oregon lock to the Grizz there I mean I'm looking for that big upset. I'm looking for that monumental upset. Where is it in? This bunch of games is it Kent State at Auburn is at UCLA blown off. The impossible at home isn't New Mexico going into South Bend. I mean if you will you be not even sure we call it an upset at this point. I'm not sure we call it a monumental upset of any sort Georgia loses at home South Carolina knocks off Alabama. SEC ON CBS packed by the way Kinda Kinda starving for games going through the old the old channels you know when I grew up in Cleveland we had you know we have what we call three five eight John Three was the NBC affiliate Channel Alfred was the ABC affiliate generally was CBS affiliate it could coinciding with the NFL shift from putting the NFC Games on CBS putting them on Fox and then Fox just becoming the NFC on CBS different channel on your dial but you know I missed the three five and eight games. We've moved everything ESPN you we've moved it to CBS sports network NBC Sports Network for Notre Dame they they play on the and BC Arizona State finally off the PAC twelve network. They're gonNA play on Fox. Actually believe it or not got an obligation on Saturday afternoon but talk about that a little bit on the other side. We gotta wrap it all up. 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It is the game that started out lose the matchup that started it all between the New York football jets and the Cleveland Browns that game going to be played in New Jersey adult add both teams coming off of disappointing week one losses jet suffering with more losses than just in the standings Sam Darnold has contracted mononucleosis and he will be out for Monday night football. He'll probably miss a couple of games. head coach Adam Gay Said said that his biggest concern was the weight loss and you know th I think Sam Darnold a guy that can lose a little bit of the baby fat not that illnesses a thing to joke about or a even compare to a diet and weight loss. You know sick weight. Loss Oss is just Kinda. Gross men like you want to get that back because that's just y'all the illness taking strength away from your body and replacing it with weakness some other drama the building up to Monday night football that that moves the line by the way from like three and a half to six and a half in favor of the browns. I think that the the oddsmakers some of the fans and a lot of the media are willing to give the browns a Mulligan on their no show in week one and I'll tell you what though the goodwill will it doesn't extend very far if they lay an egg against the New York jets Trevor Simian and the taxi squad. There's GONNA be trouble. Sphere had trouble Greg Williams never shies dies away from trouble and Odell Beckham Junior revealed that his preseason injury in twenty seventeen against the browns with Greg Williams being the defensive coordinator of the browns was planned intentional and malicious which is a real shame to hear about people that wear the Orange Brown even though Odell Beckham Junior does now now it's disappointing to hear that news but it's totally believable and I will think the browns offense and the browns team in general will have a point to prove move against the New York football jets when they take them out in the meadowlands on Monday night football as far as the six point line is concerned. I don't really care I ah jets might cover every bit of that. I think the jets might win the football game but I am going to take the browns straight up and I'm going to say that the jets cover that I just D- The last year it was twenty four to twenty one. The browns won their first game in like two years this year should be a close game again. I think people walk away from this one not as pointed as they were with the browns in week one but not completely sold on the hype train that drag them through the entire summer in the media cycle hello. I'M GONNA GET OUTTA here before I get into too much trouble but my name is Jeffrey. This is bad sports overnight America on Siriusxm Channel to eleven now. Stay tuned for more reports. Come your way next hour on the sports byline broadcast network You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network at live dot heartland use fee dot com. The Stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's the public service newscast the Thursday September Twelfth Twenty nineteen. I'm Mike Clifford the US Supreme Court backs trump by strict asylum role and protests expected when the president visits what he called Roden vested Baltimore First Our top story the Supreme Court allowing nationwide enforcement now the new trump administration rule it prevents most Central American immigrants seeking asylum in the US that the Washington Post they report the order late Wednesday temporarily une does a lower court ruling that blocked the new asylum policy had some states along the southern border the post adds a policy is meant to deny asylum to anyone who passes through another country on the weight of the US without seeking protection there. I most people all crossing these other border are Central America's fleeing violence and poverty are largely in eligible under the new rule as our asylum-seekers from Africa Asia and at South America just six weeks after President Trump attacked Baltimore on twitter as a rat and rodent infested Massa Group of activists plan to protest the presence appearance appearance in the city today trump will be speaking at the Twenty Nineteen House Republican retreat dinner at a downtown hotel outside hundreds are expected expected to rally against his policies on immigration war in climate change says Miranda Bachman organizer for ice at a Baltimore. One of the groups involved old in protest. We deeply oppose trump's policies. His Policies Racism is policies division of workers and oppress people in poor the people we've seen him attack migrants refugees and make attacks that are not so veiled and are racist trump has stood by his comments a majority Black Baltimore and his criticism of the city's Democratic Congressman Elijah Cummings. I'm Diane Bernard Reporting Uber Lift Drivers and their allies in the Labor movement or urging Governor Gavin Newsom to sign a bill. Ab Five passed on Wednesday that would reclassify tens of thousands of California contract trek workers as employees. The measure could give the employees access to minimum wage guarantees unemployment insurance and workers COMP aiden Alva- is a lift driver driver and activists with the group GIG workers rising. He says right now the multibillion dollar companies business model depends on the constant availability of drivers but workers make nothing thing while they're waiting for a GIG lifting uber directly benefiting from nineteen flavor of drivers in order to resolve this they need to pay for the time when people who are waiting for derides the law sets up a test whereby companies will have to prove that contract workers are not doing work central to the business and Uber's CEO COQ said Wednesday he will press that claim and refuses to reclassify contract workers as employees companies are also planning a ballot measure next year that would gut AB. I five I'm Suzanne Potter. This is p. Ns the amount of toxic waste from oil gas drilling in Pennsylvania has skyrocketed in recent years and now a new BAP. Let you know what's being dumped nearby in two thousand eighteen alone fracking in the keystone state generated sixty nine million barrels of liquid waste and and one point four million tonnes of solid waste that waste contains heavy metals such as lead and arsenic and radioactive elements such as radium to twenty-six but it is exempt from federal and state hazardous waste regulations most of it ends up in landfills and other disposal sites in Pennsylvania according to Melissa Trautmann with with earthworks their new interactive map allows anyone to locate nearby disposal sites by typing in their address. The map shows where those places are what kinds of waste has been processed or disposed of at that particular site and also what year the map and accompanying reporter online at earthworks works dot org. I'm Andrea Sears. Reporting the school year is here Eric Takeoff reports that means teachers once again reaching into their pockets pay for supplies the classroom the Economic Policy Institute analysis of National Center for Education Statistics Data Finds Oregon teachers spent four hundred sixty three dollars of their own money on supplies applies for the two thousand eleven school year compared with the national average of four hundred fifty nine dollars that might seem like post-recession spike but the national average was actually actually up by the two thousand fifteen school year to four hundred eighty dollars state averages weren't available for that Year Economic Policy Institute economist Immigrant Zia says this is is a unique burden. If you think of any other profession. How normal is it that you have to go to work with your own materials and in this this case? It's not just for them. Each for children the analysis as vines average spending at high poverty schools was five hundred twenty three dollars compared with four hundred thirty four four dollars at low poverty schools and finally our Dan hyman reports for school back in doctors are saying your mom is right time to turn off the phone. Get it to bed because you really do need a good night's sleep Dr Simone Farrow on a cardiologists with data care points to information from the American Heart Association Association and others. She says it shows that for their mental emotional and fiscal health teams should turn the screens off well before bedtime the the laptop the TV the cellphones smartphones. What I would recommend is at least two hours before bedtime you know Faron says research search confirms what parents always say that foggy feeling you get without enough sleep means poorer learning worst decision making and long-term issues with physical health a lack of sleep old disrupt their thinking and emotions and could push up to take chances they should i Mike Clifford Public Service we are member enlisted supported hoarded and we're online at public service DOT? Org It's time for the the attack here on sports overnight. America now live from New York. Here's your host Bob Black. Well Good Day America welcome to the sports attack. I'm Bob Blackness is overnight America. You're listening on Sirius. Xm Channel Eleven Dan Patrick Radio Ram country on various different affiliates that we have including is HP fourteen hundred am it is a stronger signal in north Las Vegas. 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It's it's going to be long ear for them and they managed to lose the football game twenty to fourteen to a pretty bad Tampa Bay buccaneer team Tampa Bay levels it off at one eighty one carolina drops to own to a goal line stand from Tampa Bay defence and you gotta give them a lot of credit fourth down. Stop late in the fourth quarter when Carolina was driving that the ball down on in a two yard line I tried a little bit of misdirection with Christian McCaffrey and they weren't able to get there and McCaffrey's hell of a good football player but on this particular night Tampa Bay did a pretty reasonable job all in all do head very hollow stats bats twenty five fifty one which completion percentage wise me fifty one passes fifty one pass attempts was exactly what Tampa Bay's defense wanted him to do a they took away Christian McCaffrey and that was the game implant it sixteen yards receiving it thirty seven yards on the gap ground and they force Newton to win the game which was a he was not capable of of doing his long pass was forty four yards Curtis Samuel he managed to get the ball Downfield downfield pretty decently a little better than what I expected to be quite honest about it but when they tightened up inside the red zone he wasn't able to make plays and he also at this point in time you can see they're actively staying away from trying to have him run the football he's just taken too much of a pounding over the years pay attention Baltimore Ravens and he he he's he's a hell of a good player and you could talk about the Post Super Bowl press conference and all that garbage don't really care. I honestly really don't Cam Newton to good player. He's a very good player. I don't know if they're ever going to be able to get back to the Super Bowl because I think this is a team on the decline fine but when you see the philosophy of Tampa Bay's defense and the fact that they put it on Cam to win win the game and he wasn't able to do it he did take down the field but the fact that he was not able to win the football game it. I think they're in for a long season buccaneers on the other hand. They did a very good job of playing contained football and what I mean by that is if you put the ball in James Winstons hands. You're going to have turnovers. It's just how it is. It's how he he is a player. He had three interceptions the first week and I I just don't know that he's going to be their quarterback going forward forward neither today that's why they're trying to figure it out under Bruce Arians but when you look at it and you look at how they approached the game yesterday this was this was a game where sixteen to twenty five two hundred eight yards one touchdown no picks during football paid barber twenty-three carries eighty two yards. They have very good wide receivers in Godwin and Evans Pain Bar can catch the ball out of the backfield but put the less that they throw the ball the better off they are now. I don't know if Jason's Jameson is going to be happy with that. Throughout the whole season he likes to Chuck Duck but I look at it and if Tampa Bay is going to win football games this is exactly how they're gonNA have to do it now. They'RE GONNA start coming up against defenses that are going to do the exact same thing to Janus that they did to Cam last night. They're gonNA take away peyton Barbara Barbara and they're gonNA put the ball in James Winstons hands and tell him to win the football and more often than not. He's not going to be able. They do it because he turns the buffalo and it's just it's it's the path of his career. I mean he's he's in his fifth year now. If it's if it's it's going to happen for him. It's GonNa Happen this year. He's got a quarterback whisperer and even if you think back to last year the buccaneers with Dr Cutter it scoring points was their problem keeping the ball and keeping the ball secure was their problem on offense they could score but they coughed it up and key circumstances and it put their defense in a position where defense had a hard time keeping people out of the end zone defense stuck last year that that was why all the hype in the offseason about Gerald McCoy going bye bye. I was thinking to myself well. You know in the old Ralph Kinder Adage we we. We've finished last with you. 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Will an Employee Walkout Lead to Changes at Google?

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Will an Employee Walkout Lead to Changes at Google?

"Podcast is brought to you by knowledge award. Google is changing sexual harassment policies a week after some twenty thousand employees worldwide staged a walkout, the mass protests, followed a New York Times story, saying former senior executive Andy Rubin left the company, but did so with a ninety million dollar exit package after harassment claims against him. We're found to be credible. Among the changes, Google, CEO Sundar Pichai Senate a letter out saying that arbitration in these instances would no longer be mandatory. There would be more transparency in how these complaints are being handled and those who report these issues would receive more support. But does this go far enough to address the concerns of employees with more on the impact of this decision? We are joined in studio by Stephanie query, who's an assistant professor in the management department here at the school and on the phone a Harley shaken who is a labor expert and professor in the graduate school of education at the university of California, Berkeley stuff. Integrate senior again, thanks for having me. Thank you Harley. Great to have you on the phone today, sir. Good to be here. Thank you. So I'll start with that the big question really dig Google go far enough in your mind, I'll probably not a Google handled. This very well. But the reality is twenty thousand workers walked off the job gold -ly. We haven't seen something on this scale and tech or really in very many places in a long time. A what sparked it as you pointed out was the sexual harassment case with the ninety million dollar payout. But really that appears to have sparked it not being the only concern that the workers had nine of the leaders of posted a blog post, and in it, they say these employees were asking for equity dignity and respect Google recognized. They had an issue. They apologize. The addressed a piece of the issue. But I think this could well be the beginning of more that takes place, more employees involvement and further demands. I completely agree. I think it's certainly a step in the right direction. And it is an attempt to address what seemed to be one of the most alarming concerns at a face value. Which was the large substantial payout for somebody who had been found to commit an agreed act and the conflict in values that that ten conflicting values messages that that tends to send. But certainly when you look at the wide range of things at the employees were asking to address it wasn't about larger issues around discrimination employment policies and practices in the company. And so they still have a lot to do to begin to address those issues as well. I guess from from a lay person standpoint where I am having arbitray Shen as a means to settle potential. Actual Aspen that that seems to me a bit off. Am I am I close to to be right on that? I hear spot on. And this is one of the things that really provoked a lot of the anger arbitration works overwhelmingly in the favor of firm, but it also lays out the ability to to not publicize something. Meaning that workers don't have an idea of scale of what's going on. You're going before company appointed arbitrator, and it really limits your rights for going to court to address these grievances. So that was certainly part of the problem, and it has been addressed in terms of sexual harassment. But compulsory arbitration, something that many employees, and Hugh there's been a huge increase in firms that use it applies to a whole range of things. So one of the things that will be fascinating to watch. Is whether the Google employees going forward demand complete elimination of compulsory arbitration as a further demand. They also asked for greater representation, they want to elect someone on the board of directors. They want their voice heard Google. This is a step in that direction. But I think we could see much more. I don't know if Google Stephanie is willing to give that spot to an employee to kind of be that voice of the company, but it probably would be a good thing. When you talk about some of these instances that obviously have come up and the concerns and developing a better relationship between the C suite and the employee's. Yeah. It certainly is unprecedented for many companies to think about putting an employee or Representative employee's on the board. But there's certainly ways to go about doing this one of the things that they had asked for with actually have a chief diversity off. Officer in place reporting to the CEO, and when you have someone of that calibre who does who's largely concerned with the firm's issues as well. As the concerns that employees might have it begins to trickle that up to the board in ways that make more sense. Currently what's happening there chief diversity officer role is lower down in. So it seems even much less direct relationship to what the board might hear about its policies and practices with respect to diversity. And I think the other thing that I want to add is in the background here. Google is a company that has spent a lot of resources and time in energy talking about diversity in the worker saw this as an example of a slight against the work that had made their spec to diversity. And so what they're doing is. They're taking the company to task on. If you're gonna say, we value diversity than we need to begin looking at this from equity appointment perspective as well. Hardly. That's basically like saying one thing and doing another, absolutely. And that really rankles these workers one of the things I've been. Struck with with a lot of the interviews and comments Google workers have made these are very bright, very energetic group of people many of them were tracked it to come to Google to change the world in a positive way. So they have a lot of idealism they believe in what the company could do, and they feel I think offended that the company is not doing this in a number of critical areas. I'm struck by the title of the blog post. I referenced a moment ago collective action works, and we need to keep working what twenty thousand people in the streets indicated for a moment is their voice is far more powerful if they work together than they simply stand alone. So it's not an open door. They're asking for. It's the ability to have their voice really as part of what Google goes going forward that raises another issue might. This be step on a road to a union in a way, this was reinventing what a union does spontaneously. It's a long way from an organizing campaign. But it raises some issues that go beyond the immediate demand. Because when you talk about arbitration, it's usually because there's a discrepancy between the company and the union involve if this is this is unique kind of set of circumstances here. Stephanie. Yeah, it's a fascinating issue. I think certainly the larger takeaway is that the employee's feel that they should have a voice in what happens to them. And certainly there are a lot of ways in which Google established policies and practices with respect to diversity where it has given employees a voice, and again, if the employees see this issue of how sexual harassment is managed in the company as an a larger example of how people are treated how we deal with issues of discrimination, fairness, and we can. Talk about those other things, and we can be transparent about whether or not we believe that the strategy that we have is fair to women than why aren't we talking about sexual harassment wise at the one thing that's part of our diversity initiative that we can't talk about. So I think the larger issue here is making sure that we're not creating different in that Google's not creating different value sets around. What is improperly it to be conveyed to workers? And what's not? And you also need to have. I would think different set of standards now within companies in terms of whether it is somebody that's on the cease, we'd or at somebody in the mailroom of what that exit is going to be for that employees. Certainly the fact that I think a lot of people are just taken aback by the fact that this executive got ninety million dollars when he was walking out the door when he did something that called him into question significantly and realistically, there could be I would think charges against him. It's kind of stunning. Yeah. It's really stunning especially since the next line of all the articles say that. There are lots of people have been fired recently for similar acts without getting a similar compensation and that's alarming. I think too many of us into people who work there. It's you know, it's the idea of the rich get richer or there's no penalty when you're in a high status position like an executive, and that we only hold certain people, particularly those at lower level of the organization to similar standards. So. Why we warding bad behavior when it comes with more power and money Carly. I think Stephanie's racing. An excellent point. Here was really striking the ninety million catches your eye and for someone who is exiting the company. It was stunning. But it highlights an even broader issue. Google employs a lot of temporary and contract workers as many as half of their ninety thousand plus workforce are in this area. They are clearly a second class group of citizens that Google with very limited rights and with the ability to be dismissed tomorrow. That's what suits Google. There are some of written that what this reflects is Google spending a lot of money in a market that requires that for high level engineers, and developers and impart they pay for this by lower level, employees. Earning. Significantly less and having a less benefits, but that rankles against the spirit of Google for many of the workers who walked out they claim their demands alternately are issues of equity, dignity and respect. And they've you the two tiered system as something that challenges that is this also to you Harley say about the leadership of Sundar Pichai. I think he handled some of this well in that he responded immediately by embracing the walkout versus challenging get. But it really raises some more fundamental issues that he has not addressed. What fascinating is there evidently were as many as a thousand Google workers globally communicating with each other using Google tools to organize this walkout with that kind of energy. And with this immediate victory. I think we could see more and his leadership will be tested in the context of how we respond to what comes next Harley point. I think that he raised around this notion of how fully employed workers are treated relative to contract workers. I think is very important one. Because again that is another signal that some people can have certain rights and privileges in organization and be considered with respect and others. Cannot. Be. So this is an issue to be a testament to the CEO's leadership that he needs to sort of begin to move forward on is if we're continued to creating policies that are only held whether their policies that privilege or policies at punish to certain class of workers, relative to others were continuing to create contradictory messages about what we've Allieu as an organization them. Where do you start the change in that to to have that mindset, and I know from employees to employees that mindset may be tough to break through, but from a policy perspective, I would think HR's gotta start it a, you know, from from one end of it, the sweet does as well that part time employees, full time employees. They're all employees of the company. Yeah. But I think the reality is is a contract worker is still a person who deserves to be treated with dignity respect. Even if we don't give them benefits right other benefits, like retirement benefits, and so on and so forth. But if we're talking about being inclusive in being fair and being equitable than. That's something that people as a right as a human who works for an organization who is in an organization deserves it shouldn't be based on whether or not I'm fully salaried or fully benefited by an organization. Absolutely. And what's fascinating here. Google has inspired workers at the very good thing. But the flip side of Indies they got live up to the promise and hear what the temporary workers. They are overwhelmingly women. They are many people of color are among the temporary workers. So when several of the Google leaders did a blog post, they referred to the temporary workers as a Jim crow system. That's strong language and completely untypical to the image and the values that Google puts out. So that's why it becomes urgent to address this as well as addressing the ninety million payout for the one could the one top level executives that sparked the walkouts in the first place. No, I'm not exactly sure of what the makeup of the board of directors is at Google male to female, but. Being in California. We mentioned this earlier is the fact that California just enacted that law to be able to have more female representation on boards. That's probably another thing that that probably should be looked at with Google where all of these issues are concerned stuff. Yeah. I think certainly representation is usually I think the first line of defense that many companies go to when they're trying to figure out how to create an organization where we begin to voice the values that we have. But we also know that putting more women on boards doesn't solve the issue. If the board culture isn't one that invites people to voice, really what the concerns are. So I would invite Google in any other company that's interested in that. Now has to by law. Follow the practice of putting more women on their boards is that the culture of the board needs to be one in which you can raise descent or you can raise additional perspectives. And that's oftentimes with the issue is and why we don't always see significant effects between the presence of women on boards and outcomes is because just putting somebody on a board doesn't mean that there can they can bring up and be heard. Parley? You're there in California much of an impact you think that this this type of move in the state will have in the years to come. Oh, I think it will have a very great impact. And I think we will see that in a way that improves companies a lot of these demands are not going to hobble a company like Google, it could actually make them more innovative and more competitive y workers one of voice in what's taking place and to give them that voice brings their ingenuity their commitment their ideals and their skills to play in what Google trying to do. So the notion of representation both on the board for women, but also for workers themselves, the the fact of worker representatives as a union is not something that will hobble Google, but could very well improve the company so all this has been put on the table. And it follows the face of previous protests that Google that the company is responded to when Google pulled out of a multibillion dollar contract with the department of defense because employees protested that and then there were other recent examples of Google pulling back from projects where many employees felt it was opposite to the ideals of the company. So harnessing this in a more formal way could be something with which Google leads not something that's going to diminish. What do you think Harley is the impact on Silicon Valley? And obviously we've talked about on this show stories where the hiring levels of women compared to men are are significantly different. And obviously this issue that we talk about now or surrounding sexual harassment. Is again, another issue Silicon Valley brings us a lot of great technology. But they obviously have a lot to continue to work on where social issues are concerned. I I would fully agree with that. And with Google right now with its enormous visibility and the role that plays. There's a lot of attention on this below the surface. We've had amazing twenty-first-century information technologies and nineteenth century practices when it comes to issues of gender inclusion and and other things that are coming out like now here in terms, for example of Latinos at Google, the percentage in leadership is very very small in a state where forty percent of the population is Latino you've got something like two percent of the leadership coming from from that group. So you've got these issues which really are calling for for resolution all the attention to date has been on the wonders that. Come out of Silicon Valley. They're critical, and they truly are wonders, but that doesn't mean that these other issues can just be left to dress the way that I see it Google has to next steps. And the first is to begin to think more broadly about issues of equity discrimination and fairness, which is what the workers were suggesting Welby on sexual harassment, which is just a symptom of a larger set of issues related to inequity. The second is to begin to tackle this issue of applying policies and practices regularly across different employee groups executives apply similarly to if your frontline worker, and then we have the issue around fully employed versus contract workers. Because then again, we're arbitrarily setting up a system of inequity, if we're creating different policies and holding different people to different standards. So I think that's where they need to go forward. Don't run away from the issue of lack of equity indiscriminate in promotion. Discrimination fairness run towards it because they can be a better. Symbol? I think for others who are struggling with the same issues as well. But the the difference in terms of policy as you as you mention is probably driven because of the suite the C suite will probably wants to have different rules than the majority of of the employees in the company. Right. Well, I can't say with their motives, but I can say that people who make the policies and practices are in the sweet, right and oftentimes policies and practices are made by the people who believe what they should be based on their own set of circumstances. So we do see bias existing in many company policies and practices. So that's why other people need to be looking at the policies and the practices at different levels of the organization, and the board to begin to understand who are these policies and practices designed to benefit and who were they decide to exclude. And that's I think their next step is understanding that because in this case with this particular sexual harassment case, it was a policy that benefited a C suite Representative and did not equally benefit somebody who had committed the same at eight four four. Nine four to seventy six is the number. If you would like to join in with your comments or questions joined in studio by Stephanie Kerry from here at the school and joined on the phone by Harley shaken who is at the university of California at Berkeley, eight four four nine four two seven eight six six or for like Senator comment on Twitter at biz radio one thirty two or my Twitter account, which is at Dan Loney? Twenty-one going back to what we're saying. At the beginning here seventy is. It is surprising that a company in this day and age there process to dealing with the claim of sexual harassment was arbitration. It just it kind of boggles the mind a little bit that was the process that they had in place. Yeah. I definitely was really concerned. When I read about that only because I know Google, many other companies are taking a lot of steps to be very transparent. Google has a diversity report. They disclose what the representation is in their organization. They have mandatory unconscious bias training. They've been talking a lot about this. And they've been highlighted a lot in the past for the work that they were doing why this was one of the one issues where it felt I think to those of us on the outside. But certainly to people on the inside that they were trying to hide something that should be much more transparent. That said a decisions, I think is one that will be unclear to all of us. Really? I think I would agree with that very much. But I think this is just highlighting a larger problem. What happens in the cease? We'd is obviously critical for the direction of Google. But you've got a new factor. You've got two thousand glue Google employees globally who organized something. They're not gonna go away. They're thinking about what will make this a better company, and what role do we have in shaping that? And here we're looking at something that's much broader. This is an age where we know unions have declined in many areas precipitously, but in a way what we're seeing of late is workers reinventing the underlying concept of collective action and solidarity. It's odd to think that teachers in West Virginia and Google workers together both share this. They went to the streets to. Really articulate and to demand action on their demands. We're that goes remains an open question. Do you think that that? This is a watershed moment for for so valley, not not only for Google. But the other companies there that that we will see significant change in terms of of the understanding of employees and the treatment of those employees when we have situations like this, or is this still a process that's developing Harley, and and still need some time to really work itself out. No, I think it is a watershed moment twenty thousand people in the streets globally and actually the New York Times yesterday in front page article on their business section used watershed moment in tack to describe what happened at Google that Inouye say's says where this goes, meaning there are no guarantees, but it is intriguing and is. A watershed moment because so many employees from so many different cultures. So many ring a range of countries and perspectives got together and made a statement by walking out for several hours. We just haven't seen that. And I suspect the issues they put on the table, we will return to in new and innovative ways, I wouldn't actually raise a very interesting point that I thought was a really important moment of all of this. And that was the sheer number of male employees that walked out as well. Oftentimes when we start talking about sexual harassment, the conversation lends itself to gender, and it usually is a lot of female employees or workers or academics. Experts talking about the issue Google is a largely male workforce. And it was if you look at all the pictures look at all the coverage. It was a lot of male workers also saying that they won't stand up for this as well. And certainly sexual harassment isn't a male to woman issue, but we largely highlight the cases in which the man is the perpetrator and the woman is not in this case. So I thought that that was remarkable. I think we need more of that. It's not just about worker standing up. It's about more workers dominant groups who might not feel as closely affected standing up and saying what's right versus what's wrong. Thank you. Appreciate your time Harley. Thank you. Well, thank you. Great to have you at a seventy Craig from here at the school Harley. Shaken from the university of California Berkeley for more insight from knowledge, please. Visit knowledge dot Morton dot U, Penn dot EDU.

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Superstrong Fibers Could Be Hairy Situation

60-Second Science

02:54 min | 8 months ago

Superstrong Fibers Could Be Hairy Situation

"This is scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Suzanne Bartlett. All all mammals have hair commonly called called for when it's on your cat or Koala and the thickness of individual hairs varies from species to species. For example elephant. Hairs are more than four. We're times thicker than a strand from an adult human namo nave the animal AIDS larger. The hair has to be faker. University of California San Diego material scientists when Yang. She's interested in how biological structures like hair hold up under stress. That interest comes from a desire fire to design better synthetic materials. Yang's team tested the tensile strength of hair from eight different mammal species including humans. They subjected subjected those hairs to increasing levels of tension until the fibers broke the researchers assume that thick hair from giraffes elephants in boars for example people would be more robust but they were wrong. Ain't texting late. Refine the thinner hair actually is stronger. In fact adult human hair was some one of the strongest in the study and children's hair. The thinnest of all was even more durable. Yang's team took a closer look at the hair with a scanning electron microscope. Hi Chris Cope. All hair is made of the Protein Carrington. The microscope views revealed specific patterns of breakage in the Carribean fibers which are composed of a protective detective outer cuticle and inner cortex that provides strength the microscope. Images showed that the CORTEX thicker hair tends to snap when broken leaving clean even break but the inner cortex of thinner hair breaks off less evenly. Yang compares the process to what happens when a powerful gust of wind blows lows a tree down in those cases that trump tends to shear at an angle. And that kind of break is a sign of strength. It actually takes more attention to cause shearing than a a clean break. The researchers found that the cutoff point between these two types of breakage was about two hundred micrometres about two and a half times thicker than human hair. The study is in the Journal matter. Young is now attempting to mimic the complex structure of hair in the lab with three D. printing once the technology is perfected down to the Nanno scale. These artificial fibres could be used to create a variety of strong materials for use in construction or even rescue operations operations such as nearly indestructible ropes. Until then we'll just have to be content with the knowledge that fewer than a thousand human hairs can support entire person's weight think of all the strength that's left on the hair salon floor. Thanks for listening for scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Suzanne Bard.

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The Real Test Question: Should Colleges Be Allowed to Require Standardized Test Scores for Admission?

Fireflies

32:01 min | 2 weeks ago

The Real Test Question: Should Colleges Be Allowed to Require Standardized Test Scores for Admission?

"From. Kit Finnerty. This is firefly's the original kid's debate show. Noble your host for today's episode on the future of standardized testing in the United States. Should colleges be forced to prohibit senators, testing scores from their admissions process, and what about state testing in elementary and junior high schools. Is there a better way? All this end more will be covered in today's episode. Welcome to the show. Some not sure if you guys heard the recent news, but all eight Ivy League schools, you sees Caltech Stanford Mit and many top colleges and many colleges in general and the United States aren't not requiring standardized test scores for the class of twenty, twenty one or incoming seniors in high school. According to. CNBC. In addition the University of California College System, which enrolls some two hundred, eighty, thousand college students. Each year plans to phase out the and sat in oncoming years, and this is not a small decision of course I mean. The University of California system is one of the largest college systems in the United States and their decision holds a lot of weight in determining what other schools will do in the future. So what is standardized testing? Well, senators tests are scientifically. And machine graded instruments administered to students and adults under controlled conditions to assess capabilities, including knowledge cognitive skills and abilities, and aptitude according to the US Department of Education. Essentially, it's supposed to put everyone on equal playing field and compare the relative performance of individual students or groups of students. So he may be asking what are some examples of standardized testing? While in high school, there is the sat and act which I mentioned before and two tests are run by College Board a nonprofit organization that is not related to the government. Today roughly two million students in the US take the sat each year according to CNBC. But there isn't just the sat and act and tests run by College Board. There is also state testing in every state and I'm sure many of you guys have experienced this basically where the national government gives jurisdiction to each state to manage their own state testing. So for example, in California, there's the s back and other states be other standardized tests and these are usually administered to elementary schoolers, junior high schoolers, and usually one or two of those tests in high school and those run by the government, not by College Board or by another private organization. There is also graduate school testing like the bar exam which students take or the G. Mats which business students take, but we won't get too much into those because today we going to be mostly focusing on state testing and Senate is testing in college admissions. So as I said, before most standardized tests were not administered this year in many systems, and this is basically causing everyone to rethink Senate is testing as a whole and find new ways to improve it. The four we begin this episode on standardized testing I actually have a few important announcements to make. So after this episode, we will be featuring a guest host on firefly's because I'll be moving into more of a management role in the company that manages this podcast kid. Finnity. I will still be involved with firefly's production and I truly enjoyed my time as a toast. I'm sure you guys will have a great time with the new host, the future debaters and I wish you all the best. You can sign up to be a host or debater on kid finnity dot com slash firefly's, and the link will be posted in the podcast description as always I encourage you to subscribe and share the podcast with your friends. Now, let's get into the debate. Joining me now are grace margin seventeen and Savannah Keller fifteen. Hey, guys doing. Good. How are you? Doing pretty well, well, no. No today, we're going to debate the future of standardized testing in this is something that hasn't been talked about a lot. Recently I'm with, you know even state testing being up not postponed but actually taken out of this year and you know the sat's Act's a lot of colleges are suspending the requirements for the incoming seniors actually this this year so. You guys have taken many standardized tests lifetime, and today we're GonNa go talk about some of the experiences and you guys views on in general. So, the first question I have for you guys is. Should the United States prohibit colleges from requiring Senate is test scores for admission, and this can really be simplified into should colleges be allowed to require a standardized test scores for admission grace I'll give you this question I. All right. Awesome. So when we're looking at standardized tests and why in the first place call is decide to require them it often comes from the idea. It's a test under pressure before all they perform under pressure and how they can understand an overall concept of different ideas and different subjects and different crumbs. But, at the end of the day, what really ends up happening is it puts certain students at a much lower disadvantage especially those of low income communities. Especially Sat's and AP tests in general, which are a form of standardized tests that are classified us. Really. Defeat the point of learning knowledge within schools and end up just teaching to a test and Focusing, on those curriculums rather than understanding different things and understanding new knowledge having basically for inquiry in the classroom, and then lastly, of course, senator has played law of stress on students as it is a one time situation which they're being tested on their bass knowledge of whether it's a year round courses, ABC's or essentially. Any PREPA they've done for sat's in or act's in English math and science. So grace at this point is saying that college should not be able to require standardized test scores for admission because they cost test Zaidi disadvantage lower income students and. Put too much attention on the test itself rather than traditional school learning or basically promote quote teaching to the test. For Act's. And SAT's students that have more money. If have more money might be able to take that test more times and they might be able to pay for test prep, which could allow them to perform better in the tests, and then you know exactly what the stress that's always comes up in any sort of test, right? So You have anything to a response agrees yeah. So in terms of the tests that you brought up and the test questions as soon as you register for an AP test board automatically gives you free test prep questions that you can go in answer whenever you have free time and I'm aware that not everybody has Internet connection at home of course. But if they're going to take the test, they must have Internet connection somewhere. So whether that be at school, they could take lunchtime and gone to the library or ask permission to use the computers during lunch or recess or whatever teachers clearly need to do better at preparing everybody for their tests. You're saying that there. There is a way for these students still to perform. Well, even if you know they're working a job or they have after school activities or they might not have that'd be harder for them to have access to Internet connection you're saying this. But it is definitely harder for them to succeed in these tests and then Savannah, you also wanted to bring in something about how if standardized test scores or Act's act. Act's sat's are taken out of the requirements. There might be an increased impact on GPA's right and increased weight on TV. So, if colleges were to completely. Take out the standardized tests in admissions. The GPA would be weighed much much heavier and it would put much more stress on students. Throughout the year. Yeah I actually have data on that. So a study using data from twelve thousand, five, hundred students from the education wanted to study of two thousand two researchers concluded that math teachers had a less positive perception of the academic abilities of Latino and black students compared to white students causing a point to reduction in GPA so. GPA also could be skewed. I mean, it's not just you know sat's and act's have a disproportional effect on minorities and disadvantaged communities, I mean. It's also GPA's COBB. Some sort of I don't think it's as pronounced. As standardized is testing, but there definitely is something to consider where GPA's. A accurate depiction of what the soon as knowledge Anything to respond so. The day that you stated about how especially people color within school districts may have a lower. GPA. A quarter reduction actually is extremely significant when it comes down to GPA's that inseparable apart like a four point four. It waited so much heavier than a four points you in. It's seen as such a huge difference. So was a really difficult situation to examine because. At the end the day, the biases of teachers that may be inherent bias within one smaller system. Same time when you have the sat and act system that as a whole that entire system is working against people of lower socioeconomic classes or magnified is everything definitely. I. Think when you're looking at the situation, GPA, this is a clear issue is clear problem that is present within the school district however. When you're looking at the entire system of the SAT act and pretty much any college board run course as a whole that's much more impacted system putting pressure on these students and causing less as whole. So you saying he's just one system that might have that problem in terms of GPA's but you know, GPA's might not necessarily just be skewed a because of teachers bias also might be skewed because some teachers just tend to give more points for certain assignment. You know that happens I'm sure you guys have had all at all had experiences with that where this teachers you know of this quote super easy and they give they'll give good grades right and so that I believe is something that goes. On in a nationwide you know and I also wanted to bring up something that you know standardized test scores are part of entire. They call it holistic process basically colleges to account plethora different factors you know in many call do take into account your socioeconomic status in that process they taking you know GPA's extracurriculars and all those things in sat's act's AP tests are just a certain portion of the whole entire process right Gracie you have anything down on. Sure. So especially, this year, this is an. This coming enrollment years going to be really interesting to see how. Standardized tests, impacts, admissions, because this is the first year that a very wide group of schools, the entire UC system, and also a lot of private colleges throughout the country are running on a optional Sat Act Semnan Optional Center next or system. So we don't really have the information as of right now but when a single test is tied to way down lower, someone's entire holistic average, I feel like this. Can become a little bit broader an issue because when you're writing about a college application if you have a smaller question that was about a struggle within your own certain school, you can talk about your struggle with a certain teacher and trying to find balance within the classroom because that's a reasonable explanation and they also have a place on the UC apps where you can write down any comments that you want to add about a certain grade certain class that you took or certain you didn't take. and. Then when you looking at the sat and Act Oh, however because everyone's taking it the exact same way and it's essentially a one test compared to every individual classroom in school environments different. You can't quite make the excuse that I've several about test anxiety or I was are disadvantaged because college or colleges as a whole or when look at everyone else has it exacts in disadvantage or everyone else within certain group has that same disadvantage. Basically what you're saying is GPA's easier chance to talk about those disadvantages whereas. Most colleges don't give you an area to talk about your disadvantage in the in the sat act. Colleges understand that every school's different every school teaches differently don't understand if there's a certain variation within a certain course at a school compared to another school. For example, one math classes in school might be wait a lot heavier than a math class at school and it's not a matter of how will it was just perform no matter of the teacher grading them however when the sat and act are all the same versions, the tests being administered it's a little bit different because it's not necessarily leniency it's how you perform to the test. Bring up apart and it's like you know teaching to the test as well. Right? But. At least be given a choice to include those is testing if it's Going to benefit the students they accept. So you know if you have like an MIT right and they're based on math and science shouldn't they at least be given the choice to? Administer to acquire like, for example, act scores. Which take into account which have a math and science section savannah you wanted to talk a little bit about that, right? So. I definitely think that though scored the colleges should be able to pick. If they want to require them. For example, a school such as juilliard, which is a performing arts school would have less used for academic information because most of their majors are of the arts whereas schools such as Harvard Oxford Have High Akademik Standards and discoursed need to be taken into consideration. So you know you're saying that some schools you know like an art school might not need to have ended is a test or they might have a different sort of await standardized tests. So maybe they won't require the standardized tests. Right. But some schools you know like Harvard or you know cal tech mit might need these scores so. We, talked about how they're definitely they're definitely is a problem with the standardized test scores in grace. You believe that standardized test scores because of those problems like this eventing students than the. Generated from the test, you believe that over all these colleges should not be lots of car the standardized tests at all for admission. And then and then Savannah daily should be given a choice in terms of you know like MIT or. They because they're more related to these tests that the students should be better prepared for these tests that they have a chance, and then you also mentioned how GPA's might possibly be skewed by by bias, and then also like you know teachers themselves, right we know that the sat's Senate testing aren't perfect right so you have a link any suggestions for how it could be improved or how we could sort of transition your grace. So something I also wanted to quickly bring up and touch on the immersed into a transitioning point for this is there are sat subject tests which cost less than the actual sat and our votes toward a certain group of students. Who wants to show their academic ability on those tests? So for example, if you have a student who is going to mit or Caltech or want to apply there, they can take a certain science subject test in mathematics, subject tests, and then from there, it showing their success in that area with an is putting the my disadvantage perhaps if they perform poorly on an English portion of the act or sat the act since the act has a science in mathematics portion. So overall if the generalized Senator Test was eliminated, you can fall back on subject tests or you can fall back on other sort of primary knowledge tests to show that they do have the. Same sort of. Understanding of the concepts while focusing more on what they are in tune to economically It's definitely a really good idea you know sat subject tests are technically still standardized tests, but they might not have make students go through the whole process of an sat act. It's just subject test which is going to be a lot shorter as well, and then there's also that the possibility where schools can make their own tests. So depending on what those schools are looking for, they could create their own tests than students you know depending on what school they want to apply for might not even have to take the sat act. Savannah do you have anything else to? Yeah. So in my opinion I, feel like it would be a fantastic idea to keep the scores in admissions but allow the colleges to be able to look at the actual test itself. For example, MIT as you said, mass in science are what they're about. But the test has maths science and so if they didn't do as well on English questions as they did on the math and science questions I, feel like the college should be able to look at that and say, Oh, they have what we're looking for instead of looking at the score as a whole, it should be able to look at the actual test. So. Yeah. That kind of is similar to a Greece's talking about what the subject is. Right. So Savannah in your case while you're suggesting is that everyone still going to be required to take the tests I feel like as I said earlier depending on what school it is, what the intended majors are. The cause should be able to. But I feel like everybody should take the test i. do also feel like the students should have a choice whether or not to submit their test scores into admissions. For example, if you're going to juilliard but you wanted to submit your high test score. It could just be used as an advantage. But not required part of your mission. What she's saying is looking at the question of the first one being should the US prohibit colleges from requiring standardized test versus requiring I think what she's trying to take on here's they shouldn't prohibit because the opportunity to take the test is greater than getting rid of it as a whole and still provide some students with vintages. Exactly. Walking a fine line however, because if you require in some ways I think it'll be also a very interesting development. Watch is application results are going to come out at the end of this next application term. Yeah. For because, there are going to be students this year who are going to optionally submit their sat or act scores may have strong sat scores or scores, and it comes down to the matter of there was no march sat. So the only students who could have taken this who are incoming seniors aren't they took the October November December sat. So these students more likely are students that. have. More of an opportunity to take tests multiple times. As, you wouldn't just take the test and be unprepared for the test often with the struggled walking into junior year with multiple AP classes and long summer projects where you might not have time necessarily to be indefinitely studying the sat or a C. T. when you're going in and taking that test as a practice in November or December that. Chose that these students took it because they're at a financial advantage to be able to take the test multiple times. So the man who were not able to take the test before to take it as a practice and we're planning on taking their one and only sat in March May. June etc This is putting those at a disadvantage because they don't have the score to provide us a boost their application as some other students may have, and that goes back to the of its disadvantage in lower socioeconomic students. The point you're making there with Even though that it could be useful at some times. It's still it's still leaves that lingering point there it is going to disadvantage these socioeconomic disadvantaged communities and so generalized testing isn't just you know sat's Act's AP test all these these tests for college write it also is they testing. You know you have these elementary schools elementary junior high, and then they're also in many states to actually is one year where high school students do have to actually participate in the state testing, which is different from those ricard for called admissions. So how is the debate different with state testing as opposed to act's and sat's and college required standardized test scores Savant. What's your take on? I feel like primary and secondary state testing or completely different tests than this enterprise test called US states has stained gauges, one's level of knowledge on state standards which are drastically different from those of undergraduate schools. You Know College admissions touch on Austin material that you were to learn from middle school until high school in in addition state testing is compared to the state standards for respective grades, which is much lower than not of universities and colleges. So you're saying you know it's it's more related to the government, right? You know of course, they have it's two completely different standards. There's really no comparison between them. Okay, they still are technically standardized tests. So in that regard is a comparison and especially during this time with both of these standardized test scores both in state testing and in college admission they're both being taken out or at least not being required in this case. So say testing as you're talking about is more related to the government and to stay itself rather whether you know college admission testing and standardized testing is more related to the private colleges race. He has something to say. So when working at the state, Senate is test themselves. There's a lot of political history behind their that overall still disadvantages a lot. Of Communities during Obama's presidency, his secretary of education believed that there needs to be a little more emphasis on standardized tests home, and because of that, they enlisted the es a which essentially mandated that the government would take control of standardized tests and mandate all states in order to help provide relief in the schools that have lower test averages in order to help bring them up to a higher national level of an giving equity situation. However, in two thousand seventeen, this was rolled back by the current administration, and now every state is in charge of their own jurisdiction. So tests in California, for example, having much different president than. Than, for example, maybe New York. Even Texas Arizona. Are Certain system that we have now is depending on how well the school does on state tests they get funding to the schools themselves but help still does have a law were performed so low that those schools can actually be shut down and those students can be or to another school, another school or another school district while there's is being mended to fix the education. And this puts students at a huge disadvantage based on the scores from the test itself swallows may have a sense of helping students be placed within colleges or have advantage in that sense. Overall, this does come back to the point of the entire standardized testing system. No matter where you look at it has inherent class biased rude within it. Okay. So you're bringing it back to the the issue with some areas you know might not have the same the learning capabilities as others, and this could completely take away funding from the area and you don't think that that's something that is right. You know. Yeah because especially, if those students get displaced from their area that could cause some taps, go larger distances to different schools, which overall which but a hindrance, especially lower socioeconomic areas and also increase class tensions within the classroom itself. Can overall perform a lower benefit a lesser benefited students because what is happening as if they have to travel farther for school disk and put them in a huge disadvantage to their own families but also to their education as a whole when their school in their school environments. So big difference about state testing and college admission. Senate's scores is that state testing is more evaluating the whole group I would say whereas always standardized testing isn't waiting independent each individual person. So in terms of that, there actually are a few more alternatives to state testing rather than college admission testing. So for example, I have an NPR article here and they mentioned that there are four possible alternatives for these state tests and one of. Them is sample sizing, which is basically taking a a certain portion of the school rather than having everyone do the test and get stressed out by the test, and then there's also they also mentioned that you have multiple measures. You know not necessarily standardized tests, but they have like emotional or social surveys and the game based questions and I'm just wondering what do you guys think about those possible solutions and India's have any other ideas. Savannah. I think that is a pretty good alternative if. Everybody decided that standardized tests were going to be taken out which I still don't feel like it's a very good idea. But I do feel like be could alternatives especially with the emotional part because if we're in a bad. In the students don't feel safe at school or anything like that, that also can greatly affect test scores and everything like that. So I. think that's a really good alternative only taking a few of the best scoring students that way can prevent what gray said with defunding all of that kind of stuff. And grace you have anything else to add. So with the smaller sample size as a whole, what this also helps you is relieve a little bit of the test apathy within the school itself. So also with different multiple measures of testing itself and taking the test based questions self away from state testing where you are learning to the test, and it's a or done tests on knowledge if you are able to incorporate more logic and were. Reasoning those tests where people can show off their different academic strengths and different learning strings. That's also where the tests will show more benefited the students because not everyone learns the same way and not one applies their skills. The same way some people think logically, some people think better straightforward. So as a whole, you can still see the understanding of suits come through while other students aren't disadvantage for not being able to understand a certain way. So you're saying, you know that some kids have the chance to demonstrate their abilities but that shouldn't disadvantage. The other kids don't perform as well on those are you know don't don't take away funding from those students schools, right so something else that I was thinking of when you're talking about that is that maybe these test because a big problem with these state tests is kids get really stressed out by this. And they feel out pressure and and I'm one of those kids whenever there's a state test I was auto. It'd be worried about it the night before and something else that is interesting. Is that maybe that maybe people or started the government could collect this data over time maybe not necessarily single test maybe it could be just like you know looking at you know some of your grades looking at some of. Other indicators like maybe something and it's maybe something more fun to write. So I was talking about a game based measure right? So maybe you don't have a test, but you have no logic game which and people don't administer as a test. It's more of like people maybe they don't call it test. So kids don't feel nervous or anything. It's kind of like a stealth stealth. You would call it guess have anything else did I do? Something I actually discovered last year when I transferred to homeschooling. Skull home schoolers do not need take state tests. We do need to register for tests and be there but honestly a lot of people I know just click random answers intimate the test because the the the state testing is completely political and it has everything to do with funding in my opinion nothing to do with kids knowledge. The definitely the testing of is big problem. There are some kids that just you know like you say just click through of answers bastion determine whether the school funding or not right exactly though you definitely also big problem with these state tests are I. Think our time is up. So thank you so much for coming on I won't repeat. Thank you. So let. For having us. What do you guys think of the debate? In general grace believes the US should prohibit all colleges from occurring standardized test scores because they disadvantage, Laura students promote teaching to the test and cause large amounts of stress. Well, Savannah believes that colleges should have the option to require a standardized test scores because they provide an academic factor in addition to GPA's and some schools would benefit from the extra academic information. As part of a possible solution, Greece also mentioned placing more emphasis on the sat subject tests. In addition, they both pointed out problems with state testing including unjustified school defunding and test apathy, and we explore possible solutions for state testing, including logic, based games, and simple sizing. Thanks so much to the debaters. Martin. Founder podcast Benjamin Wong to the audio editing for this episode, Talia? Rahm. I encourage you to check out these other podcasts get CEO which is hosted by Benjamin? Wall. In addition, it would really help us if he gave us a review on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast as possible, and it would also help if you guys filled out a survey that will be posted soon on the. Website. Thanks. 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Tuesday, December 10th, 2019

Up First

13:43 min | 8 months ago

Tuesday, December 10th, 2019

"Hey this is David Green with a reminder that up I is what you need. What many of us need in this crowded news and information environment it's a way to quickly early and reliably get up to date on what's happening so that we can stay oriented day by day in a disorienting world up? I is made possible by your you're NPR station. So we ask that you support them before the year ends you can do that by going to donate dot. NPR DOT org slash up first and we really appreciate it. A lawyer for house. Democrats says this conclusion is inescapable president. Trump's actions are impeachable offenses today lawmakers revealed proposed articles of impeachment. How broad or how narrow could those charges be? I'm Steve inskeep with Rachel Martin and this is up I from NPR news the impeachment involves US aid for the war in Ukraine. President trump withheld that military assistance. Now the aid is flowing and the president's offensive Ukraine and Russia have agreed on a ceasefire. What's that agreement really do? And Will Russia ever give up land seized from country the US supports also what's the case against standardized testing a lawsuit challenges the University of California System to stop using it in the admissions process. Stay with us. We've got the news you need to start your day support for this podcast and the following message come from the capital one Walmart rewards card earned five percent back at Walmart online and two percent at Walmart in store restaurants and travel the capital one Walmart rewards card. What's in your wallet? Terms exclusions apply support also comes from Bayer. Her bare develops digital tools to help. Farmers use less water to grow their crops. From advances in health to innovations in agriculture bear is advancing science for a better life at bear. This is why we science quote. This is not a happy day. That is what reporters heard from house Foreign Affairs Committee. Chairman Eliot in English last night as he signalled plans by fellow Democrats to unveil articles of impeachment against President Trump. We expect to learn this morning. What those articles say? They are likely day to focus on the president's push to get Ukraine to make announcements that would embarrass Democrats. Daniel Goldman is a lawyer for a House Committee president trump's persistent and continuing effort to coerce a foreign country to help him cheat to win. Election is a clear and present danger to our free and fair our elections and to our national security joining us now. NPR senior political editor and correspondent Domenico Montanaro. Who listened into the hearing yesterday? Hey Domenico hither racial so so what did we learn from yesterday's hearing that could provide some clues about which articles of impeachment. We might see today. Well I mean the point of yesterday's hearing earing was for representatives of the Intelligence Committee to present the findings of their report to the Judiciary Committee. You had one. That was a majority report. You had one with a minority already parts that you had lawyers presenting this to the Judiciary Committee because the Judiciary Committee has a responsibility to write these articles of impeachment. And what it comes down to really is this. Yes I mean we expect. There'll be at least two articles of impeachment one related to abuse of power and bribery and one on obstruction of Congress. Democrats feel like they've made the case that they've presented overwhelming and compelling evidence that the president abused his power by pressuring a foreign country to help investigate a political rival to help us twenty twenty collection. That's essentially what it comes down to for them. Republicans think that that's just not true. They said that Ukrainian leaders say there was no pressure they aid was eventually released. And you know if you've been following every twist and turn. You probably didn't hear a lot. That was new yesterday but it was really a chance for them to boil down their arguments. So how did they go about doing that. Because because even though people have been following this incessantly may have heard some of these arguments. This is really a chance for them. To try. To create something really sinked to crystallize it in the public's mind right yeah and and you didn't have to go much. Further than the opening statements from our Congressman Jerry Nadler. Who is the House Judiciary Committee chairman? He opened the hearing got right to the point. He summed up what he sees. He's as the president's guilt this way. The evidence shows that Donald J trump the president of the United States has put himself before his country. He has violated his most basic responsibilities to the people. He has broken his oath. Yeah of course. Republicans did not agree with that ranking remember. Doug Collins of Georgia. He was pretty animated through much of the hearing. He accused Democrats of pursuing a personal vendetta. And here he was saying that impeaching president trump is all all about politics at the end of the day. All this is about is about a clock and a calendar because they can't get over the fact. Donald trump is president of the United States. And they don't have a candidate that they think can beat him so Dominica. You said at least two articles of impeachment about abuse of power and obstruction. But still we don't really have an idea of the scope of these right right. We expect to hear later this morning. What the exact articles will be a one sticking point with Democrats has been whether to bring an obstruction of justice article that hinges on instances of potential obstruction that was laid out in the Muller Russia? Investigation as a bit of turn because it doesn't have to do with this Ukraine mm pressure campaign but expect Democrats to say what trump has done as part of a larger pattern of behavior so we expect a vote in the judiciary committee that could take place by the end of this week. Then in a full vote in the House that Democrats are aiming to get done before Christmas setting up a Senate trial in January. All right appears a medical Montinaro. Thanks we appreciate it. You're welcome okay. So while the house is announcing articles of impeachment against President Trump for actions that ultimately benefited benefited Russia trump will be meeting with Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov Russia is throughout the story isn't it president trump delayed. US military aid eighteen crane. That aid is considered critical to Ukraine. Is it pushes back against a Russian incursion into its territory. That began in two thousand fourteen. Now Ukraine's President Vladimir is Linski and Russia's President Vladimir Putin met face to face for the first time yesterday in Paris and after that meeting they announced a ceasefire ear that is supposed to take hold at the end of the month we've got NPR's eleanor beardsley on the line shoes covering this historic meeting high on our. Hi Rachel so this is the first time these two the president's Alinsky and Putin have met kind of high intensity moment for these two leaders to just have like a meet and greet right absolutely and you know. The meetings went on for hours hours and broke up after midnight so they held a press conference after midnight. And you had this young neophyte politician meeting with the strong man who's run Russia for twenty years years and continues to create havoc in alinskyites country Ukraine. So everyone was watching faces and body language and right after host macron spoke Zielinski. The ski spoke and he and Putin far ends of the table separated by President Michel and German Chancellor Angela Merkel so Alinsky appeared nervous but what he said seemed heartfelt you can listen to him here Fugu ranging featuring cool your virtual so. He said he had all all of Ukrainians with him in Paris and felt their support he said he had truth with him. And the desire for justice and peace in his own country so that was very powerful. He said the meetings were long long. But they were concrete and important and that the dialogue had been on blocked and is Alinsky also stated that Ukraine was an independent and free country. And that its future we'll be decided by Ukrainians and he asserted that the Dawn Bass. That's the eastern Ukraine and Crimea part of Ukraine now remember Russia took Crimea away away from Ukraine. Five years ago. And it's still destabilizing the east. So how did Vladimir Putin respond to that well. He sat at the opposite end of the table. He sort of looked at his notes. He didn't give much facial expression he spoke at one. Point of the thirty eight million Russian speaking Ukrainians who needed consideration and remember Russia. It's in its research interests to keep a constant state of chaos and insecurity in limbo and Ukraine to make sure Ukraine doesn't go with the West get its act together you know and so Putin wants Ukraine in its sphere. But there's a new wind blowing Rachel Russia's very much suffering under the sanctions imposed after it took Crimea and analysts. Say That Putin may hey be ready to give a little to maybe get something back from the West interesting okay. So the ceasefire came out supposed to take hold at the end of the month. Other big decisions. Yeah well the ceasefire. Let's keep in mind. There have been twenty of them. So will this one hold probably one of the most concrete and important measures. They're going to exchange all of their prisoners before New Year's Eve as well. And that will that will be something that can really measure. And then by next March they said they will withdraw forces from three conflict zones and this crisis group will meet in four months months and keep going okay. Well we'll see NPR's Eleanor Beardsley in Paris. Thank you you're welcome. Anyone who's ever applied to go to college is probably familiar with this kind of dread mayangs Zaidi was really high in hard hard for me to calm myself down but I knew I had two comments don so that it connects on this test. Raina Edis is a high school senior in Santa Ana California and and the test she's referring to is the sat after taking that test three times. She's still is not sure that she's going to get the scores. She needs to get into College College as a Pre Med student plaintiffs in a lawsuit argue she should not be facing such anxiety. The suit to be filed today seeks to eliminate sat not and act test score requirements for the University of California system. We've got NPR's a list in studio to talk about it. Highly he reach. Oh Oh man that was bringing back my own name. I had to take that test at least twice so I feel for Raina who exactly is bringing suit yes. The lawsuits being filed by the pro bono firm the public council on behalf of students and a number of advocacy organizations. The complaint draws heavily on research that shows a much stronger connection between test scores and income rather than college success. And it's essentially saying requiring these tests in admissions. It's no longer a policy decision now. A legal won the suit. Claims by requiring these Tests the admissions process is illegally discriminating against applicants on the basis of race and wealth. And therefore it's denying them equal protection under the California Constitution addition because people with more access to resources to prepare for the test various. Yeah so I mean this really force the UC system to abandon the test that would be huge. Potentially really yeah. So what's interesting. Is that about fifty years ago. The University of California was one of the first schools to adopt. Sat as a requirement for admissions actually the companies behind the sat lobbied them pretty hard back then and in doing so in the late sixties. They signaled to other schools across the country to do the same so they sat this national president and back. Then there was a lot of debate within the System whether or not they should require these tests just last year. The president of the UC system ordered a task force to study the use of standardized tests in admissions. A few leaders have come out against against including these tests like the Chancellor of UC Berkeley a spokesperson for the UC president. Says they're waiting for the results of that task force before they make any big changes. What about the companies who make few standardized tests? I bet they have an opinion here. The folks say the test is not bias that blaming standardized tests for differences in educational quality and opportunities will not improve educational outcomes. The College Board which is behind the sat says grades and test. Scores are all pieces of the puzzle. College shouldn't take one metric in isolation so is the suit. It really necessary. Because aren't aren't there are schools already dropping the standardized tests. Yes Oh two thousand. Eighteen was a big year for schools. Going test optional. Nearly fifty schools announced announced new policies for going test if the University of California which is a big system with more than two hundred fifty thousand students were to follow suit. That would be a really big deal the test going test optional. It's just one piece so the entire admissions process is rife with inequality. A lot of it stems from K.. Through twelve we know that schools that served on white students tend to have fewer fewer resources and not as many AP or advanced courses NPR's a listen add Bernie. Thanks so much elissa makes And that is up I for this Tuesday December tenth. I'm Rachel Martin and I'm Steve INSKEEP. Join US here tomorrow. Subscribe to where you listen to podcasts. And rate and review us on Apple. Podcast we appreciate that each and every day you wake up with. NPR your NPR station makes up I possible every morning support them and support us at donate dot. NPR NPR DOT org slash up first and and just a reminder to get started with your donation to an NPR member station visit donate dot NPR dot. Org Slash up I or just text the word word up to the number four nine six four eight will send you a text message with a link where you can find your local station and make your contribution message and and data rates may apply you can visit. 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Northwest climate may support almond crops by 2050

Climate Connections

01:30 min | 5 months ago

Northwest climate may support almond crops by 2050

"I'm doctor. Anthony License and this is climate connections when you buy almonds at the grocery store. It's likely they were grown in California. California produces about eighty percent of the global almond supply. That's Lauren Parker of the University of California Davis. She says almonds have long thrived and the Golden State but that's changing as the climate warms during hot weather. Almond trees need extra water and California's facing more severe droughts which make water supplies less reliable. So Parker is studying if the industry could shift north to parts of Oregon and Washington. She says frost damage the big risk there now but by mid century global warming could allow almonds to grow well in the northwest under climate. Change what we anticipate. Seeing is a reduction in the frost risk even for almonds which pretty early in the year. She says it's not as simple as picking up and moving. The northwest does not have the extensive irrigation systems and processing plants. California has so. It's not to say that the northwest won't be without its own set of challenges but from a temperature perspective at least to the opportunity. Is there so the industry may be able to shift? North and adapt climate connections is produced by the Yale Center for Environmental Communication. Learn more at Yale Connections Dot Org?

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Warm-Blooded Animals Lost Ability to Heal the Heart

60-Second Science

02:45 min | 1 year ago

Warm-Blooded Animals Lost Ability to Heal the Heart

"This is science Americans. Sixty seconds science. I'm Christopher Dodd yada. It sounds like a witch's recipe gathered the hearts of offense lizard, a Little Brown bat and naked tailed Armadillo and dozens of others we try to get them from zoo. But I'll fortunate we the student walkout very well. We couldn't get any samples even when dynamo die could get heart developmental biologist at the university of California, San Francisco, he says they had more success obtaining specimens from the jars of natural history, museums, but the reason for this biological scavenger hunt Wong and his colleagues wanted to examine the number of chromosomes contained in heart cells across the animal kingdom, because there's a curious phenomenon in our hearts, which is that most of the human body cells are diploid, meaning two sets of chromosomes one from each parent, but the lion's share of our heart cells are actually Polly -ployed, meaning two or more copies for mom two or more copies from dad. What one and his team found looking at that collection of hearts is that the proportion of Polly played cells in a heart goes up as you go from fish to lizards to him fibia NHS to transitional species like platypuses to mammals, the reason that finding might matter to us is that recent studies in mice, and zebra fish of shown that hearts with more diploid cells, like zebra, fishes are actually able to regenerate and heal themselves. Hearts with more. Polly -ployed sells like mice and humans cannot. So what makes a heart have more Polly played cells and thus less chance of regenerating costume. Oh costume. But one answer once team found is that thyroid hormone, the same hormone that regulates metabolism and makes us warm blooded creatures might be to blame. Because when they added extra thyroid hormone disease officials tanks. They're tiny hearts were no longer able to regenerate. And conversely when they engineered mice to have hearts that were insensitive to thyroid hormone, the mouse hearts could regenerate back after injury heart function, which is mainly measure contracted the of the heart. We can see to heart function improve or would tie off the injury. Welcome to my cannot improve. The results are in the journal science as for fixing human hearts, perhaps manipulating thyroid hormone levels could be a start. We know regularly in federal home alone, not sufficient to cure, heart disease. Lisa for promote a har-, Richard. And completely. And if we can figure out other major regulator of this process, we might be in a. Better shape. Thanks for listening for scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Christopher Don. Yata?

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Some Hospitals Prepared for a Wave of Coronavirus Cases That Never Came

Daily Coronavirus Update

07:46 min | 2 months ago

Some Hospitals Prepared for a Wave of Coronavirus Cases That Never Came

"The class of two thousand twenty deserves a proper sendoff, which is why Iheartradio and Doritos brings you commencement, the podcast, featuring speeches and dedications from icons. We admire most here from Halsey A lot of things we will never injury pit bull guys a generation. Go change the world, Becky, G, cashew, and many many more check out commencement the podcast out now on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get podcasts with a special Doritos Valedictorian episode where Doritos takes graduation speeches to another level by naming five Valedictorians giving them each fifty thousand dollars in tuition assistance in sharing their speeches with the world. It's Thursday May Twenty Eighth I'm Oscar Ramirez from the daily podcast in Los Angeles and this is your daily coronavirus update. The whole reason behind flattening the curb was so that the healthcare system would not be overwhelmed, but as many hospitals prepared for the worst in some areas of cases, never came. One example is the University of California San Francisco. Medical Center where a whole floor was cleared for cove in nineteen cases despite the cost officials don't regret over preparing. Jim Carlton Reporter for The Wall Street Journal joins us for more thanks for US Jim. How're you doing? I'm doing well. Thank. You wanted to talk about the preparation that that a lot of hospitals went into to prepare for fires cases early on, we were looking at other examples such as China and Italy Italy especially, it was just so overwhelmed by covid nineteen. There was legitimate fears here in the United, states at that could happen here, so hospitals went into overboard to prepare a lot of those cases never really bore out. You know in some hot spots like New Yorker Louisiana they did have huge influxes, but in other places we over prepared, and thankfully we didn't need to use all those resources. Jim You wrote a lot about San Francisco the University of San Francisco in particular, and their preparations are cases that never really came. Tell us a little bit about that. You make a good. Good point that I think that this is a case of most of the country. Kinda overprepared and there were some exceptions You New York overwhelmed, but mostly I think hospitals had the resources, and I'm in San Francisco so the University of California San, Francisco Ucsf was one of the key medical institutions going to be facing with they thought was an onslaught I. Mean we're on the West Coast, a lot of Chinese here lot Chinese flights so really. The predictions were that San Francisco was going to be overwhelmed, so UCSF pulled out. Out The stops I mean they cleared on an entire floor of their main medical campus in San, Francisco thirty one beds. They reopened a facility to take another like fifty three Cova cases accessory, and so they did a lot of other things, and they ended up not getting that many cases, but they're happy that they were ready and one of the things. Obviously that goes into all of this preparation is there's a high cost for it. Overall I guess hospital facilities. This is probably throughout the country. They're expected to lose about two. Two hundred and two billion dollars so far losses because of canceled surgeries, and caused associated with treatment of cove nineteen, but a lot of these people especially with their in San, Francisco they're not regretting over preparing. They're happy that they were able to do it that we didn't need it. And in case of a second wave, they could possibly becoming a some experts have said that there are at least ready for it. Still UCSF for example the revenues last year about four point five billion dollars, and they haven't said what the. The reading is going to be this year, but it's going to be a lot less than that for sure. And I think that's already talk. Those furlough is throughout the nation, and that number you mentioned two hundred and two billion. That was an estimate from the American, Hospital Association, and there is going to be a lot of hand in terms of the budgetary reading about the alternative like you said outset overwhelmed hospitals. People stocked up. I think that they WANNA make sure that didn't happen. And importantly we have this possibility of. Of a dreaded second wave, and so if we do get the second wave places like San Francisco, GonNa be much better prepared than they would. Otherwise so I think they feel like definitely has worth it. Tell us about some of the cases that UCSF actually handled I knew the handled some of the very very first cases there in the bay area, and You know officials. There really felt like since they weren't overwhelmed, they really were able to kind of get good at it so when they had a few more they. They were already ready to go, so the first case in the country was up in the Seattle area, but an excellent one came down here in the bay area and actually UCSF. They've been doing some emergency planning late January when it hit, Wuhan China was moving to Europe, and then he was headed here next and the next weekend they got a couple from San. Benito County with Cova Nineteen and they were treated, and so ucsf was able to kind of practice. They had a whole floor that was negative pressure for Kobe. Kobe cases, so they got to put on their full PP kind of work out the kinks or whatnot, and so they got some practice, the case of started coming in but San Francisco. Overall we've had like two thousand cases total in San Francisco since March compared to over two hundred, thousand New York City but UCSF has had about eighty five cases including four does I. Mean that sounds like a law? And they weren't no cases, but it wasn't anything like they didn't anticipate there definitely able to handle this, so where does. Now do they leave that whole floor dedicated to cove in nineteen? Just in case as time goes by or they scaling back and I am assuming also they've started to at least do some other elective procedures. They begun to do any of that stuff. They get suspended elected and scheduled surgeries for a few ways, but they've gone back to that now. One interesting thing is. Is Food. Services. I was looking at. How do you plan for food services at a hospital cafeteria for pandemic? And what they had done is that they had just completely retooled that operation. They lost all of their customers. Visser's visitors were prohibited from going in for a long time, and so they had the skill their operations back, but that's starting to come back to. To normal, there's this earning him back against the slowly leading up on a break, and you'll recurrent a little bit to normal, but they're still at the ready. Just in case I mean, it's good news that these cases never came to overwhelm the system there. We'll have to wait and see what the true costs of it were. Because obviously want to save lives and. And be able to provide the best treatment for people, but this is the other side of it the cost of over preparing, so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out, but in the meantime the officials there are not mad about it. They're happy that it didn't come and they were able to be above water. In case, anything had gotten real bad there. Jim Carlton Reporter, for The Wall Street Journal based in San, Francisco thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. I'm Oscar Ramirez and this has been your krona virus update. Don't forget effort for today's big news stories. You can check me out on the daily podcast every Monday through Friday. So follow us on Iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. Renowned Buddhist author and teacher Jarvis Masters steadfastly maintained his innocence since he was sentenced to death almost thirty years ago on a new podcast. Dear Governor. Jarvis poses the question. Out there. The execution of one in. From the confines of his nine by four sell in San Quentin, Jarvis will share his riveting life story how we is managed to maintain a sense of optimism. The most dire circumstances are pulling their launch. My mind by now that take I'm was. Provide the details of the bloody murder and trial that landed him on death. On that weapon, I would not get charged for. Details from inside the courtroom Mrs. Attorneys fight for his final state appeal with newly disclosed evidence that bolsters claims of innocence. 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Critics Say Trump Administration Is Weakening Endangered Species Act

Environment: NPR

03:52 min | 1 year ago

Critics Say Trump Administration Is Weakening Endangered Species Act

"This week the trump administration announced changes to some of the ways the endangered species act is enforced among the criticism that criticisms that followed the announcement was this that the revisions would make it easier for federal wildlife agencies to ignore climate change when deciding whether to protect a species or not n._p._r.'s nathan rot has more there are two revisions in particular that conservationists are worried about because they think that they will limit wildlife officials ability to consider climate change one centers on the designation of something called critical habitat the trump administration is directing wildlife officials to prioritize the areas that threatened and endangered species currently are before looking at the areas. They might be in the future. Jim lyons who worked in the interior department under president obama says the risk there is that with climate change species species even us humans are going to need to move from rising seas hot temperatures and he says if currently unoccupied areas are not considered and protected detected now the escape hatch if you will of the potential areas that species can move to will be off for lost before conserve the the purpose of hopefully protecting a species from extinction the other concern is around the term foreseeable future which gets it how far into the future wildlife officials should look when determining terminating whether a species needs protections or not so for example when they're trying to determine whether a coastal salamander needs protections from rising seas should they look at expected sea he level in ten years fifty or maybe a hundred when some current coastlines will be underwater lines and others say the trump administration is trying to limit limit that timeframe with legalistic language jake leap the director for biodiversity at the environmental policy innovation center is not so sure absolutely is is not the case that go domination had nearly unlimited discretion to consider climate change and now you know the trump administration has cabinet itself so much that asking the change lee says the revisions overall do weaken the endangered species act but context. You're he says is important. Across administrations wildlife officials have applied a wide range of foreseeable futures from twenty five years to eighty in some cases uses those longer projections were used to give species protections other times short projections were used to deny them. Science is always the foundation of those decisions. It's required by law but lee says it is not alone. Politics plays a huge factor into decisions of whether to list busy in the trump administration says it's making these changes for the same stated reason it's altered or rolled back dozens of environmental laws to reduce regulation for industry end landowners species it says will still be protected too and while skepticism about the administration's consideration of climate change is understandable given its denial al and suppression of climate science a lot of media coverage. A lot of the reaction seems to me overblown. Holly remiss we miss is a professor of environmental law at the university of california berkeley and she doesn't like these revisions but she also doesn't think that they're going to cause a big difference in how the endangered dangerous species act as applied so why are they making the changes at all. I think these regulatory changes are as much propaganda as says substance. They're away. She says for the trump administration to show its constituents who don't like the endangered species act that it's doing something about it but she says it does is not addressed. The bigger question of what climate change means for our ability to protect species into the future nathan rot n._p._r. News.

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How digital privacy law asymmetries can hurt criminal defendants

The Brookings Cafeteria

42:23 min | 2 months ago

How digital privacy law asymmetries can hurt criminal defendants

"Welcome to the Brookings Cafeteria, the podcast about ideas. The experts who have them I'm fred dues. Imagine if you will. A defendant in a criminal trial is accused of say, threatening someone over a social media. The prosecution could subpoena digital records from the Social Media Company to build its case against the defendant. However evidence that would prove. The defendant's innocence is also held by that company and yet defense investigators are unable to obtain it due to the way data, privacy laws are currently written. In this scenario, a privacy symmetry exists between prosecution and defense. That could keep an innocent person jail. Rebecca Wexler, a law professor at the University of California Berkeley School of law has identified and studied this privacy, a symmetry and has suggest legislators can fix data privacy laws to address it. On this episode of the Brookings Cafeteria Wexler is interviewed about her research by John. Villa's nor Brookings Nonresident senior fellow. Together Wexler and bill listener wrote a piece on the tech blog at Brookings Edu titled. How well intentioned. Privacy laws can contribute to wrongful convictions. Bucks are also has a forthcoming article in the Ucla Law Review on this topic. Also in this episode in new, coffee break segment meet Alex. Angler David M Rubenstein Fellow in Governance Studies who examines the implications of artificial intelligence and emerging data technologies on. And Governance. You can follow the Brookings podcast network on twitter, Hata Policy Podcasts, information about and links to Oliver shows including dollar and cents. The Brookings Trade podcast the current and our events podcast. And now on with the interview. Here's John Listener with Rebecca Wexler. So, thank you very much. Fred and I'd like to welcome Rebecca Wexler. Who is a nonresident fellow in governance studies at the Center for Technology Innovation at Brookings and she's also an assistant professor at Berkeley Law School where she teaches researchers in writes on issues, concerning data technology in criminal justice for work focuses on how the rapid deployment of artificial intelligence and other data driven. Driven Criminal Justice Technologies Affect the relative power of law enforcement prosecutors in criminal justice attorneys in prior to joining the faculty at Berkeley, she held several Federal Court clerk ships also worked as a Yale public interest fellow at the legal aid societies Komo defense practice. So I'd like to thank you very much for coming on the podcast to talk about this important topic today. Thanks so much John Thanks for the introduction and thank you fred for having us here, so the first question I have is the intersection between Criminal Defense and digital privacy isn't area that prior to your pioneering work hadn't gotten nearly the intention that it deserves at very high level. Can you explain the concern that you have focused on? Sure Yeah, and so you're right when we think about privacy in the criminal justice system, we usually think about law, enforcement, surveillance, law, enforcement, tracking, but criminal defense investigators also have doing gauge in investigations, and so that can raise some similar tensions between privacy, truth and fairness in our criminal justice system, so the specific problem I've been most concerned about right now is a troubling pattern in data privacy laws. Data privacy laws are well meaning legislators want to protect consumer privacy as we have. This data driven economy companies are collecting information about our heartbeats about our movements are communications. But what happens. Is that law enforcement lobbyists for exceptions to those privacy laws, so that police can continue accessing sensitive information and few of anyone lobby for defense investigators to have similar access to the same sensitive information, so this causes a troubling for Siebel almost certainly unintentional pattern where data privacy laws end up giving law enforcement, more or better access to evidence than they give to criminal defense investigators. The good news here is that there's actually an easy fix. And John and I are co authored short piece on this for the Brookings blog and the fixes look at the end of the data privacy law. You can put a savings. Exception says something like nothing in this act is supposed to prohibit compliance with otherwise valid legal process warrants for law enforcement subpoenas for defense investigators, and if legislators do that, the key point is they're not creating a privacy vacuum. Having that kind of symmetrical neutral exception would just open up the privacy law onto the baseline procedural protections for privacy that are already built into the criminal justice subpoena in evidence rules. So that's the problem I'm worried about in the good news is there's an easy fix great well. That sounds like a really important problem in one of the themes of your work is absent, the kind of solutions that you mentioned there is this enormous a symmetry between state power on the one hand in criminal defendants on the other, and that's obviously highly prejudicial to defendants who are trying to get access to exculpatory digital records. Could you explain a bit? Maybe provide an example of a case where this actually matter. So. Let me start with the case. Actually a friend of mine who's a defense counsel at the Legal Aid Society of New York City had a client who was actually jailed when a complaining witness showed police on her cell phone text messages and voicemails that this client had allegedly sent to her in violation of a protective order that had been issued in family court. The, client insisted that he was innocent that he had an actually sent those text messages and voicemails. And Jerome Greco SIP painted. A Technology Company called Spoof Card which offers a consumer service that allows users to send messages or placed phone calls that look like they're coming from somebody else's phone number, and he was actually able to obtain records that proved that the complaining witness in this case had sent those messages to herself in order to falsely accuse his client so when he showed those records to the prosecutor prosecutor dropped the case, and the client was released from jail, but the key point here is that if defense counsel had been unable to subpoena the technology. Technology Company for those records and the records weren't the client's own records. They were records generated by the witnesses use of the service. If a privacy law had stopped defense counsel from subpoenaing those records, that client would still be wrongfully incarcerated today, and that's unfortunately what some privacy laws are doing so a case where defense counsel was blocked from a similar subpoena for potential exculpatory evidence. I can tell you, but another case came out of San Francisco friend of mine. WHO's a defense counsel? There had a client who was caught on surveillance camera shooting at an SUV. And his argument was self defense, a man inside the SUV six months earlier had driven by and actually shot at him, and his friends in an attempted murder that attempted murder was investigated by the police six months earlier, but they hadn't caught the perpetrator and the man over the next six months used instagram to send death threats and harassing messages to the client. Leaving him in constant fear for his life, so defense counsel needed to subpoena. For the contents of those messages in order to prove up the self defense claim. And when defence counsel tried to subpoena those messages, facebook refused to hand them over because of a data privacy law. So the bigger picture here is that technological change is deepening the power imbalance between the government and the cues, John as you were saying in exacerbating information asymmetries. These investigations, the reason that matters so much is because in the US, we have an adversarial criminal justice system, and that means prosecutors responsible for introducing evidence of guilt before the jury and Defense Council is responsible for introducing evidence of innocence in our criminal system. Defense counsels actually the only actor who has a duty to actively investigate innocence. If prosecutors happened to have possession of some exculpatory evidence. They know they're prosecuting. Somebody who might not actually have done the crime. Then the constitution requires that the hand that information over, but there is no constitutional, legal or even ethical duty on prosecutors to actually seek out evidence of innocence, and that's why defense counsels independent investigative power matters so much right now. One thing that technological changes doing is it's putting more relevant evidence in the hands of third party companies, and that means that some of the procedural protections that we built up in the twentieth century to require prosecutors to disclose evidence of innocence, statutory discovery laws no longer work where relying on defense independent investigations even more than we used to. So on that note I'd like to ask you about one specific statutory framework that you have cited as problematic in relation to these questions, and that's the stored. Communications Act, which was enacted nineteen, eighty six to put it mildly. The technological landscape has changed quite a bit since nineteen, eighty six, and with regard to the issue of impeding these sorts of criminal defense investigations. Can you give a little bit of incidents a? What's problematic about those communications act? Yeah sure so the store communication fact, it's a General Federal Privacy Bill that protects your privacy in the contents of messages you transmit over the Internet if that's the contents of your email, or if it's your facebook, other social media posts, it protects that privacy when those are stored by the electronic communications service provider. And, it does that by prohibiting or regulating when the service provider can disclose those contents, so they can't just take your social media private message and send it off to the news. They're limited with what they can do. There are certain express exceptions that allow them to disclose that information to law enforcement. But don't allow them, or there's no express exception for them to disclose information to criminal defense investigators, and as a result technology companies have argued that they're unable to comply with these defense subpoenas now based on the legislative history of this statute. It appears that Congress probably didn't even consider defense investigations when they were an acting. There's no indication that anybody intended to protect privacy in your communications from defense investigations, just because they were transmitted over this technological medium, but that's the position of technology companies have held, and that's actually the law when I was talking about the case. Case with SUV and self defense. That's the law that was at issue there. It's a huge problem for defense counsel around the country. As you mentioned the trick action. I spent a year or practicing with the Legal Aid Society in new. York, but I'm also in touch with defense counsel in other jurisdictions, and they're telling me that the store communications actors inhibiting their investigations on a whole series of levels so first of all. If they know that technology companies are going to deny their subpoena, they may be chilled from serving it in the first place, so there's chilling effects. Next defense attorneys have told me that compliance officers at these technology companies regularly engage in overbroad denials, and that means even though there is a plausible reading of the Store Communications Act to say that they're prohibited from disclosing content. There's no reading of the act that would prohibit them from disclosing non content anything that's not in the body of your message, so the to from information contact Ip address timestamps location information any kind of metadata that's associated with a message. All of that can be disclosed pursuant a proper legal process. Now we're not talking. Talking about just freewheeling, you know there's no limits in no privacy protections here, but pursuant to proper legal process defense counsel can get that information and they regularly do, but when they send subpoenas to tech companies that have a mixture of requests, some compliance officers routinely denied them off the bat, rather than responding by disclosing what they can reveal, and then not disclosing or sending some letter traffic back and forth to explain why there with no make it easy to get this information, even when there is a perfectly valid legal framework for getting. Absolutely right and this is happening at multiple levels. Glad you mentioned ease now. Look what they're doing for law enforcement. They've put on online portals just for law enforcement to make it easy for law enforcement. Submit their requests when they go on. Investigations upload a warrant. There's a whole special part of the facebook website Google website for law enforcement. Meanwhile, facebook especially has made it very difficult for defense counsel to even serve them with process. They won't accept service process in less a defense subpoenas domesticated in a California court, which means indigent defense counsel. All around the country have to have somebody in California. Help them if they want even filed a subpoena. Ratcheting up into what problems this law is creating for defense counsel is that even when courts actually rule that defendants, due process and six amendment rights entitle them to this evidence notwithstanding that there's a statute in the way. Technology companies have chosen to take contempt judgments instead of hand-over, potentially exculpatory evidence pursuant to those court orders. Why is that? Is it because they'd rather fight the content battle? Then create the impression that they're not being as careful as they should be with data. Is that the issue? Yeah I think that's. Right I think that technology companies I believe they're not thinking this through and that we could help them think of it in a different way, but their intentions are rightfully to protect their users privacy to the full extent possible in the law, and since there is a plausible interpretation of the statute that prohibits them from complaining. They're relying on that interpretation. They're also worried about civil liability. I don't think they should be another part of the store. Communications Act immunizes them from civilized ability if they comply in good faith with a court order. The problem with their position, though is that it's extreme to think that any federal statute is going to impose an absolute bar on defense investigations of exculpatory evidence, and if you look inside the procedural rules in the criminal justice system, this becomes obvious. We have extremely narrow categories of information that we let categorically ward off information from true seeking in the courts. We call them evidentiary privileges. The attorney client privilege may be the most famous, and that actually doesn't tell you to withhold information from defense subpoenas and from law enforcement boat nowhere else in the criminal system. Do we provide an absolute bar against truth? Just because information is transmitted over a particular technological medium regardless of its communication between people in a relationship we think is sensitive spouses or your clergy, your therapist, regardless of whether the contents of the communication are actually particularly sensitive, and that interpretation of the Store Communications Act that technology companies are advancing that it would be an absolute bar. Even in the face of countervailing defense constitutional rights is just extreme, and so the that sobering lesson in mind as you of course know, there's any number of new privacy bills that irregularly proposed in Congress in each congressional session. So what should legislators you keeping in mind when they draft new digital privacy laws to avoid these sorts of unintended consequences with respect any laws? Ya Well. Thanks for bringing that up. There is a real risk that we're GONNA. Make the same mistake again. In these new data, privacy laws that we know has caused so many problems with the nineteen eighty-six store communications ad. And the issue is what I think. Legislators should consider is when they're about to draft an exception for law. Enforcement Investigations now think about whether defense investigators might need a similar exception as I mentioned. We rely on defensive bears to investigate evidence. Defense investigators are investigating the same crimes. They're investigating the same facts, the same events, the same people, and so it's reasonable to think they might need the same. Same exceptions. The good news for legislators is again that there's this simple easy fix and we have existing privacy laws that model this fix, so you can have a blanket neutral exception for compliance with otherwise valid legal process, whether it's served by law enforcement or served by defense investigators, and the crucial point year is that that type of exception doesn't eliminate privacy protections. It just maintains the status quo. So the same privacy protections that are built into our subpoena power that we already have decided are sufficient that are currently regulating a vast amount of extraordinarily sensitive information in the criminal system whether it's your medical records, your location information, those privacy protections will still apply. So. That's the good news for lawmakers is that this is a simple problem to get ahead of all you have to do is right in a neutral exception, and you don't even have to worry about adding more or eliminating existing privacy protections in the criminal investigation space. Sounds like the good news is that there is a straightforward path that can avoid this problem new legislation, but of course that depends on members of Congress being cognizant of that, and not simply copying and pasting these legacy statutes, because again I think members of Congress, when they draft privacy legislation are very well aware of the historical tradition need to have some kind of provision for law enforcement, but they may not be aware of the corresponding need to not hamper defense investigators who are doing what they should be doing for the clients, which is pursued evidence of innocence, if the evidence is available and so. Question I guess in part right in so are you optimistic that there's going to be growing awareness on this issue on Capitol Hill? Yeah well, tell you I'm getting more optimistic. The more I get a chance to work with you John. Then really crucial in helping, raise the visibility this issue in brookings I think I'm so grateful for the opportunity to help raise awareness through brookings I have had some excellent exchanges with folks who are involved in drafting current data, privacy bills, and so I am hopeful that once we reach the right audience. There's going to be a lot of receptivity here. It's just raising awareness, just educating the community about this often overlooked issue basically. I think that's right. You know what happens is look. Law enforcement has a lot of visibility inability to rightfully gain. Attention and the defense bar has much much less, and so we know that there's just GonNa. Be some things a fall through the cracks, and this is one of them having media attention to this issue having meetings being I'm available as a resource John His blog post on this issue, also writing a law review article called Privacy Asymmetries forthcoming in the Ucla Law Review that addresses some of these issues so raising awareness on all these fronts key and me just say another reason why I'm actually optimistic about this. Is that contrary to what you might at I think it's not a law enforcement verses defense issue. Because law enforcement really doesn't have an interest in stopping defense counsel from doing their job right law enforcement prosecutors, their ultimate goal is to seek truth and justice and serve the public interest, and so when they rely, and they do rely on defense investigators to find out what the evidence of innocence might be. That's out there. That's a good thing for everyone. Law Enforcement doesn't want to have to. Go Out and investigate the defendant's case for them. That would be a problem because it would drain their resources, and they'd be sent here and there, but they are not harmed in any way by having defense counsel. Do Their job and actually there's a case in the California supreme. Court in which the Sandiego Prosecutor's office filed a brief arguing that the store Communications Act shouldn't block defense counsel from accessing information from facebook. So that's another thing that makes me hopeful here. It's interesting so June what? Well one thing that might have motivated them is that there is the possibility of structural constitutional error. If we don't get this right and so law enforcement does want to have their conviction stick. There's a case that the United States. Supreme Court considered an actually recently denied cert- on, but I think it will probably come back before them where the store communications act barred defense counsel. Counsel from getting access to a prosecution witnesses, potentially impeaching social media communications, and in that case it's one of the cases where facebook and twitter, both chose to take a contempt judgement instead of comply with a court order to hand over this information, but in that case my guess is that ultimately that conviction is going to be overturned because of constitutional error and law enforcement. Enforcement prosecutors going to have to Redo it, so there's a safety cost to the public from not getting this right, and there's a cost to law enforcement from not having fair trials in the short term, the bigger picture of course is that it serves law enforcement's legitimacy in the legitimacy of the criminal justice system to have as much as we can accurate and fair criminal proceedings. Proceedings is it your sense that these privacy asymmetries are on the radar in terms of ending up before the courts are the courts sensitive and aware of these issues, or they simply ges if a big tech company says no, that's overly broad request. We're going to deny it to the courts. Just a rubber stamp fat when that's challenged totally well, so you're putting your finger. Finger on I think one of the real difficulties with defense investigations in protecting defense investigations in this new technological era, which is actually really hard to know what happens in those investigations, because so many of the defense subpoenas I before chilled, but otherwise they can die in letter traffic between defense counsel in the company over ninety eight percent of criminal defendants in our system. Plead guilty. Guilty before trial, and so it defendant might plead guilty well. The letter traffic's happening before a technology company even bothers to move to quash that subpoena in court or defense counsel bothers to move to enforce the subpoena in court. If they do get to that stage of enforcement, they're only getting to the trial court stage and they're the trial. Court's order is likely going to. To be an oral order from the bench, and it's not gonna hit the record, so it's not going to go up on appeal, so we're only seeing a tiny percentage of the cases were defendants are being denied relevant evidence, actually bubble up into our databases, like West, Law lex says and have some visibility in the appellate system. The fact that there have in the past. Past few years, and there are right now some pending interesting cases all the way up in state, supreme courts, and again I mentioned there was this edition of just denied from the US. Supreme Court on this issue that makes me think that this is as far as we can tell quite a large problem and will be seeing more and more of it in the courts. I'm sure you're more familiar than I am. About these statistics about the number of criminal prosecutions or this plea bargains that never go to trial. I think it's in the ninety percent dish range at least that don't in some court systems each terrifying to think that in some cases defendants who are innocent, but don't believe that they're going to be able to get access to the evidence. Proving Their innocence make essentially a calculated decision to plead to some lower charge because they're terrified of getting found guilty wrong with if they don't plead guilty. It's a hidden consequence to these cemeteries that we may never even see. Totally, and you can imagine in the case that we were talking about right at the beginning of this with Jerome Greco's client who's incarcerated pretrial because of this wrongful accusation about the harassing text messages and voicemails. He might have served a fair amount of time in jail. Just waiting for this issue to get resolved, have employment consequences, housing consequences may be family members. He doesn't see now cove exposure and so real there. There is a real consequence of that. It reminds me when I was mentioning the fact that some of our twentieth century procedural protections are becoming less effective a technological age. We do have constitutional requirements for prosecutors to disclose everything sufficiently in time for defendants to consider it when they're evaluating whether to take a plea, but we don't have similar protections to enable defense to independently subpoena similar evidence on a similar time line. In that other constitutional protection what we've been worried about is prosecutors selectively suppressing evidence of innocence that feels unfair. The government somewhere has possession of that evidence and they still prosecute right. For you take the good news is we figured that out as a society in the Mid Twentieth Century and the Supreme Court recommended that there's a constitutional right to have that evidence disclosed, but now with third-party possession of evidence with Tech Company possession of evidence, the same effect happens when legislators even inadvertently pass laws that selectively suppress evidence of innocence. Little more removed from the prosecution team again I'm not suggesting any bad faith here, but the effect is the same, and I think we should start to think about that as similarly unfair. Because either consciously or not what the tech companies when they do that are essentially deciding is that they'd rather take the hit. Of. Say a content finding. Then take the hit, of PR that might make it possible to portray them as being less than fully protective of user privacy. Yeah. The technology companies are making that trade off and lawmakers are inadvertently passing these laws that enable that trade off there are sometimes trade offs, and so we might, in some circumstances decide. We're going to accept a hit to accuracy and fairness or accuracy intrusive gang, because we have some other value that matters more like strong encryption for privacy and security on the Internet that we think if we nabl on forsman to access, it's going to have so many other consequences outside of the criminal system were willing to stomach some costs to truth of there or evidentiary privileges similarly, but here there's no real reason to do that. It's going. Going to be very rare where we're GONNA WANNA, accept that trade off with an absolute bar on evidence and the truth seeking process in part, because we can still balance this tradeoff with other values by having legal process requirement, so when law enforcement has to get a warrant, they have to show probable cause. Particularity went defense council wants to get a subpoena. They have to show relevant admissibility sometimes necessity for that information and lawmakers. If they are worried about too much excessive invasion of privacy, they can jigger that balance with the procedural safeguards. They don't have to take the nuclear option of a total ban on access to evidence. Of the many complex issues we have in the policy world. This actually sounds like A. Reasonable win win solution right, which is simply to draft new legislation that has these symmetric provisions that provide defense investigators with the access that they need to do the work to try to prove their client's innocence I guess my question is just playing devil's advocate for them. What's the counter argument in other words if somebody were to oppose a symmetric provision in new legislation? On what grounds might they do it? Would they be concerned about fishing expeditions? Like what might they say? What's the argument against rising an absolute slam dunk and everybody should do it, and there's nothing even to talk about. Yeah, well. You know my view on it, but let me join you in the devil's advocate. I think some of the stronger arguments for why we should have some hesitation. Or that the only actual reason to limit defense subpoenas in my view is because of the administrative burden that it would cost technology companies if we allow defendants to subpoena evidence from them, so technology companies position as don't get the evidence from get it from our end users and they like to present that video as privacy protective, because they say end, users will get notice, and they'll be able to tell the court not to enforce the subpoena. That argument is not a solid argument. Because when defendants subpoena technology companies, the end user retains standing to argue for their privacy in court. When we're in a law enforcement context, the fourth amendment applies, and the fourth amendment actually limits and end user standing to challenge government, searches and seizures, if the government gets their information from a technology company, but that's not true in the defense space, because anybody who has a privacy interest in subpoenaed information. To move the court to quash the subpoena, move the court to protect their privacy interest in deny the subpoena, and so if we allow defendants to subpoena technology companies, all it will mean is that the technology companies will also be in the loop. We need to give the end users notice, and that is something for lawmakers to consider is mandating notice unless there's an extreme. Extreme situation where would be unsafe or dangerous to have noticed, but in general we should mandate noticed to end users, or in fact, anybody who's communications are caught up in this are wiretap laws require notice to people who are caught up in a conversation. Even if they weren't initially the target of the investigation, so we could require notice to everybody who's communications are implicated by. By a subpoena, and then all those people will be able to move to the court to assert their privacy rights, and so we'll technology companies so I think the privacy argument is actually deceptive. We could enhance privacy by allowing defense attorneys to put technology companies in the loop here, but what it would do is impose a substantial administrative burden on technologies to comply with A. A new category of subpoenas I personally don't think that's a legitimate argument to undermine true seeking in accuracy in the courts when all the rest of us have to shoulder the burden of compliance with legal process banks hospitals U. N. I. If we're served with a subpoena, we've gotTA take the trouble to comply so technology companies I. Think should shoulder their fair share as. Well. Thank you very much. This is a fascinating topic. And again as you mentioned a few moments ago, you've got this law review article forthcoming in the UCLA. Law Review called Privacy Asymmetries which is destined to be the standard academic reference on this topic. Thank you very much for being on the podcast and we'll certainly look forward to further discussion on this really important issue. What a pleasure! Really appreciate the opportunity to call attention to this issue. Thank you, thank you both. And now time for a coffee break. Here's Alexander talks about how he became. A scholar offers a book recommendations and. My name is Alex Angler I'm David M Rubenstein Fellow Governance Studies. Race to the artificial intelligence policy I also data science for policy analysis at Georgetown University. I grew up in an upper middle class household in suburban New Jersey, the town more sound is actually best place to live in America by Monday magazine in two thousand five shortly before college, so while I got an excellent education. Can say that my life experience imparted particularly broad perspective eighty. Thankfully, I was at least aware of that. My experience, particularly representative entice Camden, which was one of the chorus. Unfortunately most dangerous cities. The United States was only fifteen minutes away, and that staggering inequity did not escape me as a kid, so I love not necessarily grounded in the realities of the Justice on personal, but certainly with an awareness that I had a limited scope of experience at informed in my study since. Certainly, my dad's lifelong local activism was the biggest factor in inspiring me to go into policy. He recently retired from a career fame for labor rights, environmental actions most of which he didn't. NEW JERSEY culminated in appointment to the US chemical safety. was definitely the heart of driving me to policy studies, but my mom plentiful to. She was the share of Psychology Department in new, Jersey and. Scientists by nature, and that's where the were rigorous endurable seismic comes round. Of. The crimes need for receptive to getting data science degree. After I had also debris in that overlap being interested in broader social issues, while still engaging with the empirical technical concepts of data, science has been a really useful combination, preparing me to study artificial intelligence at the sort of societal and possible have become quite passionate about that. That's now what I teach previously you Chicago now at Georgetown. In terms of at the most pressing issues of the day is her to be climate change, and also sustaining the absence of great power conflicts useful to some hand through yourself in the fact that there's more important issues than a one that you study for Me Technology Policy. That, said in my expertise or Doing some important stuff, societal scale that we want to be cognizant of its consolidating influence in a smaller number of corporate actors, the number of AI systems. INC is growing and scale of those systems is growing, so they're making more decisions when they make the decisions to make them enormous scale the. Healthcare getting additional medical treatment is making some of those choices. It includes employment decisions. Getting hired fire in promoted. It's operating larger pieces of transportation. Trucks and affecting a lot of other griqua structure. There's an emerging consensus on how ethics principles should govern these systems deciding how the systems themselves operator should behave. There's no actual governance or oversight, and we're seeing that the combination so if you think that. is going to have progressively more impact on corporate auction and governments as well then there's an important question on how governments can provide oversight. It's challenging question since our understanding of how it handles. Really work to interpret, explain them. That's an emerging scientific. Infiltrate exciting since this area policy that. We don't know that much about. Yes so right now. The governance of artificial intelligence systems is certainly a big focus of my work were especially interested in the international governments of. The European. Union is working on a first comprehensive a legislation that would really determined meditations, and or trails for secretly high risk applications of I like the ones I just mentioned health, care and transportation in thin employments might also think about finance in criminal justice is other hiding fungible circumstances. And so while the EU is ahead. The US is currently a little more reticent to do that. And so how this shakes out in terms of the international governance is quite important since systems, our aches into all types of products, if is dramatically different standards in the EU in Canada Japan. You pay in the US. It makes it very hard to do anything with. So we are better off with a single set of standards that effectively makes a safe at trustworthy that's enforceable across countries, and that's the big emerging conversation. Just this year that has in fact continued despite coveting. There's also related issues I think. If you're paying a lot of attention to artificial intelligence and large scale data collection. You start to notice this consolidation of economic power and a a small number of companies seem to be benefiting from this and have a huge informational advantage, and it's not clear that this is resulting the benefit of consumers in there, certainly essential downside to their employers and. Governments designed to do about that is also a release your decision. When you talk to people about artificial intelligence, they tend to say a couple issues that breakthrough, the popular culture that's killer, robots, autonomous cars, and sometimes the quote Unquote during in Sofa me if he's but if you want to understand the issues that are much more likely to affect the vast majority of people, there's a Trifecta of books that I want to recommend a former grounded reality. Those are automating equality by eubanks algorithms of oppression by Sophia Noble race after technology by ROB engine. That's going to give you a much clearer sense of really the challenges that. Is actually posing in future, the former grounded in reality examples of bias and loss of agency by employees and Bosso market our by consumers when faced with implementation of technology scale. If you all are really concerned about super intelligent, AI overlords Gary Marcus, has a great book called Rebooting I. That will convince you not to be so worried enough. 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Second-Listen Saturday: Accentuate the Negative

Parenting Roundabout

11:27 min | 3 months ago

Second-Listen Saturday: Accentuate the Negative

"Welcome to second. Listen Saturday on parenting roundabout podcast where we share some fun moments past episode for Your weekend listening. Pleasure look for new episodes every Monday through Friday. We're going to talk about an article. We saw in Time magazine about parents and negatively. Because we're all about the negativity left me honest. Nick Nicole Positive. Say about that. Yeah well actually what I wanted to say. Was that if you read the title and then go and read the article. The two don't really match up so when I first suggested this article titled Parents. Don't get how negative seemed to their teenagers for some reason. I thought it would be About how we react to our teenagers moods and emotions but the article was more about how the teenager perceives how you react to use their moods and emotions does that make sense. I'm not sure Anyway it was a good article it was based on the research that came out of the University of California Riverside my son's school and it talked about checking in with your kids and making sure you came across the way as you intended to So I'm thinking about this morning when I dropped my daughter off at school if I were to ask her what she felt when I said to her. Your pants are a little bit too baggy aren't they? She would probably she probably perceive me as being very judgmental and harsh. Although I didn't really mean to be such tried to come across as being concerned there's no good way to do that. I don't know no good way to know they're safe here. Things coming out of my mouth then. I know that when my mother said them to me I was really offended and go figure. My daughter is really offended. It's cost it's there's apparent switch in the brain. That just makes it impossible for you to have that conversation. Somebody's clothes or hair or whatever. This is why I always try to have like a neutral adult that I can go and say Sangley to my daughter about this. You know. Then it'll be fine. We had something there was. There was something that I had mentioned a bunch of times and gotten angry responses to and then my friend mentioned it and suddenly it was like Oh she said this. It makes all sorts. My daughter is saying it makes all sorts of sense fighting. Nobody told me to do this before. And I'm why didn't just sit back and be happy that is happening so I guess my question is then or maybe Terry answered it but do you stop and think about how you're coming across your teenager or your child do you or do you just blurt it out. Are you aware of your tone? I know my mother never was an I can say that because she doesn't listen to. Yeah I mean I do try to be careful but I also think it's hard because you know just take for example other people in my household if I say something that is you know in the least bit contradictory or perhaps critical. I get your yelling at me. And that's not even from the teenager so it's hard to do. I just just not to anything which is usually what I end up. Trying to do is just like the tongue But it's hard to you know an in like with my daughter like you said if there's something I want to say and I do say it in. I try to be really careful. Well actually I usually try not to say just try to keep it to myself and then later get. Wow how come you let me go out with you? Know this makeup on or this data terrier you are you a flirter outer or do I usually think about it and do it anyway. I mean I know I know it's coming across like because I remember hearing those words like I said and I wonder now if my mom was aware I of course always thought she wasn't but maybe she was maybe she was in the situation. I'm in which is that. You can't not say something though but there's let's not even a can't help yourself sir. Leon like Kathryn was saying. How can you let me go out? You know it's London. Their kid is going to run into the street. You don't care whether you sound angrier nasty when you say. Get Your Butt back here on this curb you do like 'cause you know by now other things are much more subtle but you know you know how people are going to receive your kid if they go out looking a certain way right and it's sounds bad but how can you not say it but at the same time there is absolutely no way you can say it that a teenage young person is going to appreciate especially a teenage girl hearing from the mom home and yeah the just the stupid thing of wearing a sweater. China looks okay. Everybody should get to decide whether they're called or not. But if you're sick I'm GONNA have to take care of you put right but in terms of in terms of the tone and not understanding how your tone is perceived. I think we've talked before about husbands who tease that. I think that's a lot of times with my husband. He will say things in a way. That sounds really harsh. And I know he doesn't mean it that way. It's just you know his his way of San Things. The way things were said when he was a kid right and so like having to interpret to my kids you know. He doesn't mean it. That way sounds really lame. But it's yeah shrew right now and then when I say to him you know when you talk like that it sounds like you're angry and he's like I'm not angry so I'm feel like I'm in the middle of that more than I am on one end or the other way and it's not I think the other interesting thing too that this article brings up is that sometimes we'll say things and not think about how our child will hear it or perceived and and will dismiss their feelings about it. He and I don't necessarily think that's a good idea That's that's dangerous territory to when we start. Well they're not gonNA care how I said that. Remember that I told her her hair. Look good So yeah I think it's I try to think about how she perceives. What I'm saying like I try not to minimize her feelings about it. But it doesn't always work yeah. I think we've got to give our kids more credit though we need to teach them to perceive where we're coming from her true right parenting perspective or maybe just to not take things personally so easy to say so in Muslim. Outta we do with that. Do you take things your kids say. Personally I kinda do it. Depen- onto my daughter gets older. Do Yeah they were also talking in the article about how you react when your child gets angry. And that's a real. That's a real difficult thing in our house because we have you know with kids with special needs. Sometimes it's hard to calibrate emotional reaction and so when one person gets upset everybody gets upset and so there is a desire to quiet things down immediately and calm things down immediately. Which then when I get upset. I hate it when people are the cop down. But what am I? Kids is upset. It's like let's not do this. Calm now it's okay. It's okay rat which is I am so do. Just let them rage or cry It's hard it's hard to know how to be effective in that situation even when you know what doesn't does not work with you personally when it's your kid all. I have a hard time because I tend not to be When I get angry or upset I withdraw. Instead of being verbal. My daughter is exactly the opposite. She's very verbal and loud and so I have to. You know my instinct to stop her and to not be so loud and not gallon but yeah m. i. impeding her emotional expression by Keller to not you know she's she's reacting the way that's natural to her but right why do I suppress that in favor of something I think is more Maria? Were you always suppressed. And Oh yeah yeah. Yeah I tend to be very yeah I tend to withdraw and to shutdown whereas both my husband and my daughter are like the hurricanes and then they stop you know whereas unlike It's it's just part of their temperament. It's hard to argue with that. Yeah a tragedy. Get Lat change right. Yeah so I I struggle with that too. Because she's not reacting the way I do. Yeah I tried that. It's healthy to let it out every time. I have a Tantrum sometimes. Kids as everybody's looking horrified so healthy for me. It'd be difficult. I another one of those struggles. And of course it's all dependent on their age too. And what yes they are in. That is true that is true. We're dealing with teens and older kids but with little kids. Yeah yeah a little kids. It's hard because you never know if they're number one if they're understanding what you're saying yeah and number two. They're going to just turn around. Repeat it to somebody else and make you actually so as with everything as with everything that's our motto right. Yes as everything it depends on the situation. I think it's good to be aware. I think it is the the aware of how our children perceive what say heads parenting practice. Keep working on the best ways to share information. Be Aware when we're doing stuff wrong just so we have more to add to our list.

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Amanpour: Richard Hatchett, Deborah Peterson Small, Khalil Gibran Muhammad and Janet Napolitano

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56:46 min | Last month

Amanpour: Richard Hatchett, Deborah Peterson Small, Khalil Gibran Muhammad and Janet Napolitano

"We expect a lot from our home is where we live our lives where memories are made where we rest and recharge work and play its home at home advisor committed to keeping yours up and running whether you need to repair and overloaded appliance or bill that summer backyard retreat use the homeadvisor APP to find a local pro. We'll get the job done right whatever you need, big or small. They'll do everything to fix your everything. Download the HOMEADVISOR APP and get started today. Hello everyone and welcome to enforce. Here's what's coming up. Is America back to square one with corona virus surging some states shut shutdown again I ask epidemic expert Richard Hatchet about the race for vaccine, and put it silence before politics plus the biggest jailer in the world we look at the mass incarceration of blacks in the United States, and the failure of the thirteenth amendment to really outlaw slavery. Then this is a public health crisis. It should not be a partisan health crisis. Now reopening school becomes a partisan political battleground, outgoing president of the University of California, Janet Napolitano joins our Walter Isaacson. Welcome to the program everyone I'm preceding poor working from home in London as Europe's kickstart its economy out of lockdown amid a serious test and trace program parts of the United. States are in reverse gear, shutting down again with a vicious surge in record numbers of corona virus cases across the country, some states like California, a reimposing restrictions that had been lifted just a few weeks ago, and at least half the states of putting a hold on reopening businesses, America's chief infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci. She warns that the nation's public health care is in tatters. He says and doctors a quote building the plane while they are flying it and the numbers don't lie as America's still tops the world. World in the number of confirmed cases and deaths, so finding a vaccine gets more and more urgent, but just how close or how far are we from getting one? My first guest is Dr. Richard Hatchet he served as an adviser on pandemics, presidents George W, Bush, and Barack Obama and he's now. CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations Sepe which has nine vaccines in development right now, and he's joining us now from Surrey in England so Dr. hatchet welcome back to the program. The last time we had you on was a couple of months ago and you were talking about the timeframe for a vaccine, and you were saying potentially twelve to eighteen months. Where are we now any closer? It was. It was a couple months ago, so we have we are going to start up. I chance Nice Nice to be back on the show. We are beginning to see early data from from some of the early clinical studies and I would say the data that we're seeing while it's limited is is not discouraging it. It's it's even encouraging on, so we were not running into any major hurdles yet a. we have a long way to go. When I made that prediction you know really the prediction is that we hope to have vaccines that are becoming more broadly available in the first half of next year and I would say that still what we're as are informed for. So I'm going to get more detail on the vaccine from you but I i. want to raise with you. The obvious problems which are behavioral. In the United States and some other parts of the world, and the head of the WHO Dr Doctor. Had this to say about what's going on around the world right now? Just take a listen. Let me be blunt. Too! Many countries are headed in the wrong direction. The virus remains public enemy number one. Of many governments and people do not reflect of this. The only aim of the virus is to find people to infect. Mixed messages from leaders are undermining the most critical ingredient of any response. So don't add shape. You are also a behavioral expert. I mean you came up with helped pioneer, the idea of social distancing as a necessary element of pandemic reaction, so we have issues with social distancing and rules on that all sorts of mixed messages. We have issues with mosques, all sorts of mixed messages. Even this government here in the UK is saying they're going to be mandatory in shops in stores on July twenty fourth, I mean pick that date out of the air, and then only the the customers will be having to wear them, not the not the stuff. Just from your expertise, describe how this mixed messaging is potentially a problem as we see this surge of cases. Anytime you have mixed messaging, it can produce. Confusion obviously, so we do want to be very clear and our guidance to the public about the steps that they can take to protect themselves to protect their family members, and and to protect other members of their community, and I think the the underlying idea behind social distancing measures behind the idea of wearing masks behind the idea of you know good, good, personal hygiene and you know is is that? that. We are all in this together. And that the behavioral choices that individuals mate and groups make have a huge impact on disease, transmission and people need to understand that while we don't have definitive treatments or Bec seems these are the kinds of measures that were all going to have to adopt if we are going to suppress transmission and keep the rates of disease, and of course, keep the rights of debt. Down as low as we possibly can. So, again I just wanted to refer to faucher. Who is you know and as we all now know seems to be in a some kind of battle of credibility with the White House, and he's using other avenues to get very serious and important messages across. Leslie he seems not to have briefed the president by his own admission. For two months, although parenting in touch with the vice president's task force, but here's what he said just now a misstep in communicating to the public, the benefits of mosque, wearing early on has hurt his credibility as a public health tool. Do. You agree with that I. Would you urge people to just just do it now? In the absence of treatment and I'm vaccines. Or absolutely where I think the emerging data is highly supportive of the idea that if communities adopt mask wearing as general behavior. Disease transmission goes down and whether that's because the disease. The mask is preventing infected people from. Releasing, releasing covid nineteen into the air whether it protects people whether it reminds people that they are in the midst of a pandemic or all of those things together, which is probably the case a mess wearing clearly provides benefits to communities that are facing outbreaks so I would urge people to adopt mass wearing as as a behavior that we're just going to all have to. Get used to during this period when we don't at vaccines I I. Would I would also urged people to adopt other perhaps protective behaviors. I think many people have A. Obviously. Everybody has been eager to come out of lockdown. Does! This has been an extremely difficult period for many people. It's economically challenging. It's isolating socially and people have been hungry to emerge from lot down. In a sensible way, we have to remember that the virus is still with us. We can look at the United States where it's very clear that many states emerged from down too early before they were ready to control our transmission. And now we're seeing dramatically escalating rates of a disease transmission. They're seeing escalating rates, hospitalizations and a few states are even beginning to see. Rises in the death rate and I think we can anticipate that this members are going to get probably a lot worse before they get better and those of us in other. Settings, you know we should. We have made huge sacrifices to achieve the games that we have achieved. We need to keep disease transmission. Low scientists are working as hard as they possibly can to develop treatments. TO DEVELOP VACCINES Vaccines are on the way, but they are some ways, and we need to keep this epidemic under control until we can distribute more probably. So you've just mentioned, distribute again. We don't even have a vaccine and you've all been very clear about the length of time. It could take there. Are you know dozens in in trials right now? Some in human trials in fact. The question of course is also. Let's say you find him. They're all sorts of issues that are also very very closely connected so dimond and distribution and manufacturing. What are the most most difficult hurdles once? You actually have a vaccine. That, you're most worried about in the immediate instance. I think overall my my biggest concern, and this has been a concern from the very beginning is that that seems when they become available will initially be available in short supply of we really don't see a scenario in twenty twenty one where the supply of vaccine exceeds the global demand, and we are developing bent scenes for one reason to end the pandemic and to end independent. We need to use that scare source very carefully. We need to get it to the people who were at greatest risk index, ending the pandemic, initially I think will mean reducing rates of suffering and death, and that means getting the vaccine to the people at greatest risk, it means getting vaccine to healthcare workers, getting vaccine to the elderly and getting that seemed to people with conditions that put them at great risk, and that must occur globally if we're going to bring the pandemic under control, my concern is that. Individual countries have obligation to their own populations and left to their own devices. They will try to secure vaccine or their own populations end. My concern is that the limited supply of vaccine could be quartered I just a few countries that that essentially over by at seen for their populations, leading to misallocation of vaccine, leading actually to the perpetuation of the pandemic and leading to the prolongation of suffering increase debt, and and Prolong Gatien of the economic disruption that depend Democ is causing, and we've been working really hard to try to come up with now turned it. Well let me just play what Bill Gates. Obviously who's also involved with you? Obviously has has right in there with the vaccine development. This is what he said on Saturday about what you're just talking about about the concerns you've just raised. If we. Let, drugs and vaccines go to the highest bidders instead of to the people in the places where they're most needed. We'll have a longer more injust deadlier pandemic. Leaders to make these hard decisions about distributing based on equity, not just on market-driven factors. So Doug Hatchet. You almost raised an issue of hoarding vaccines that individual governments could just horde them and stockpile them for their own for their own citizens. You just heard a Bill Gates. Talk about leaders to make this an equitable and fed distribution. I mean if you if you could organize the distribution, what would you say absolutely has to happen? Well, I think that countries need to come together up. There have been a lot of people who've talked about betzeen nationalism, which leads to the kind of hoarding and the misallocation that we've just been talking about leads to the lack of equity that Mr Gates just was describing. There's an alternative to that. And that's that scene multi-lateralism, and right now we are actively engaged with our partners at who, and at Gabby the vaccine alliance to develop a mechanism to allow countries to work together to accelerate vaccine development and to to speed vaccine, production and delivery, and to ensure the vaccine is delivered globally in inequitable fashion, which is also the fashion will lead to it being distributed to the people who need it most, which means ending the pandemic as possible, and and we call this effort. This is under. Something called the access to covid nineteen tools. which has the acronym at the accelerator as a pillar under it focused on back scenes that we call Kovacs and I'd like to. Get. The name out Kovacs is the effort to promote vaccine multi-lateralism countries sharing risk. In vaccine development, sharing the cost of speeding the production in the delivery of vaccine, and agreeing mutually to share that vaccine equitably so that we get it to the people who need it most as fast as we possibly can with the goal, actually a bringing the acute phase of the pandemic to an end by the end of two thousand and twenty one. So. Let's say all that is well and good great intentions than perfect world you'll have the vaccine, and then you want to come and distribute it and get people to actually agree to take it now. Listen to Dr Anthony Fouled. She's warning. We have to make sure we engage the community as we're doing now to get community people to help us for people to understand that we are doing everything we can to show that it's safe, and that is effective, and it's for the good of them as individuals and in society to take the vaccine, there is a general anti-science anti authority anti vaccine feeling among some people in this country, an alarmingly large percentage of people relatively speaking. So Hatchet. This is obviously the antibiotics. People worried about taking a vaccine that they might think is being rushed. The doesn't have all the normal checks and balances of trials and FDA approval and look at the figures. Poll suggests in the United States. Maybe only half to two thirds would take the vaccine in Europe of a very very trustworthy poll found the between ten and twenty. Two percent of people don't trust that vaccines are safe in France a third of people disagree that vaccines are safe in eastern Europe the number is as high as fifty percent, so you need ninety five percent vaccine, take up for it to actually make a difference in community health. How worried are you about that problem if you if you if you come to it? Well, I don't think you need ninety five percents uptake for the vaccine to play a critical role in ending the acute phase of the pandemic. The what's called herd immunity Russia, this is when the threshold a immunity in a population that is required to essentially bring the epidemic under control by itself is estimated to probably be between sixty and seventy percent for covid nineteen, so you don't need ninety five percent uptick, but I think the problem. The doctor FAO cheat was describing, which is a distrust in governments and distrust of that scenes that that is a very real problem and I think the challenge that we face right now. Pe a vaccine is rapidly as we can. Certainly plays into the fears that some people have about. Vaccine Safety and I think what we need to do. Is. Be Very forceful in reassuring people dead in speeding vaccine development we are. Not Willing to take risks on demonstrating the vaccines work or demonstrating that they are safe we are willing to take risks financially and its financial risks that we take allow us to speed up the development pretty dramatically. And those are risk. We should be willing to take, but we cannot take risks in developing vaccines or putting out vaccines that are unsafe and we have to monitor the vaccine's both during clinical process, but also is as we roll them out to large numbers of people because we can anticipate that. You know if if a very large number of people receive that seem particularly people in the highest squibb's people with underlying you know heart, problems or hypertension or diabetes or over the age of sixty five. You know there may be chance events that occur where somebody receives vaccine and has a heart attack. You know within a few days because we're giving. To lots and lots of people in, and we need to be able to describe those risks. We need to be able to describe the kinds of rates of these of these bad outcomes that we might expect normally even in populations that don't receive that seem an and we need to be able to have been a very open dialogue with the public about what we are doing, and all the precautions that we're taking to ensure that the vaccines are infect safe and they do work. All right Dr Richard Hatch Hatchet. That is a big challenge, because of course, science and politics all mixed up and it's a very serious problem right now. Thank you for joining us now. The other pandemic of course ravaging the United States is racism viewership for ever do Van as Twenty Sixteen documentary thirteenth is surging again. It shows how the thirteen th amendment of the US Constitution outlawed slavery over one hundred and fifty years ago, but essentially permitted to continue via the side door of mass incarceration now to discuss the implications of this today I'm joined by two guests who both featured in the documentary attorney Debra. Debra small is the founder of break the chains, an organization that looks at drug policy reform and she's joining us from San Francisco and historian and Harvard Professor Khaleel. Mohammed is also joining us from New Jersey welcome to you. Both listened, may I just start by reading the relevant part of the thirteen th amendment and get you to explain why it has been such a such a sort of a misnomer, so it says in part neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the Party shall have been Julie convicted shall exist within the united, states or any place subject to the jurisdiction. A highly Mohammed I had never understood that phrase, and how it perverted, in fact, the cause of banning slavery in the United States where the thirteenth amendment as you just read as almost universally been understood as the legislation that fundamentally ended two hundred and fifty years of slavery. And therefore the slavery loophole, which is the clause for Polish whereas crime. Has, never really gotten the amount of scholarly. Or legal attention that it deserved, but in fact it was active. They literally overnight within months of the end of the civil war, the former confederate states, as they were going through a process of reconstruction turn to new criminal statutes in order to Rian sleigh that population of African Americans and so it's had incredible utility in the American political economy of both in the south and across the nation. So. Let me then turn to Debra Peterson small. Why do you think that language was was was was used there and continues to this day. Well I. Think the thing that we have to remember essentially is that racism is a product in support of capitalism, and even though and that slavery was basically a capitalist enterprise, and so from the very beginning of the period, after which black people were legally no longer enslaved, the same economic forces will looking for ways to continue to profit from free labor, and so this exception in the in the statute regarding the ability to punish person for conviction of a crime created the perfect opportunity, and I think it's important to remember that the kinds of crimes that black people were being locked up for and convicted of with things like vacancy like Um, stealing a pig like doing basic kind of Crimes or Mr Bean misdemeanor offenses, many of the same kinds of things that are currently being used by our president, dusty complex to support and car survey Shen, so you know you use that term, and clearly the statistics are shocking. Of course, the United States has the highest rate of incarceration than any nation around the world there are more than two million Americans in prison currently and according to the statistics statistics, black men have a one in three chance of being incarcerated over the course of their lifetime. Whereas Latino, men have a one in six chance and white men have a one in seventeen John's. How did we actually get to this stage? Let's just take black men the black population if I'm not mistaken, is about twelve percent of the entire US population, and let's and yet you have this complete imbalance in in the imprisonment and incarceration rate. Professor Mohammed. How did it get to this point? Whatever's right that the business of the nation and feeling and export economy that was helping to literally build the world America by nineteen thirteen was the world's largest manufacturer had the kind of footprint. The China has today with regard to manufacturing and well, and so the harnessing of black Labor was always going to continue with regard to the end of slavery, but the question of mass incarceration is a fascinating one in part because what we see happen in the south in. In. The decades following the end of the war into the early twentieth century was not mass incarceration It might be better described as masks, criminalization, and the entire point of criminalising African Americans was to use the power of the state as a form of coercion or their second class citizenship to make sure that they would work for white landowners in the south or work for white manufacturers in the north under unfair labor conditions that they would have little economic bargaining power. By the threat of arrest or punishment, they would be absolutely subject to social and racial control, and that lasted right up until about the nineteen seventies when their labor power was not as necessary, they became what economists call redundant, and then black men met the forces of mass incarceration that thirteen so eloquently describes. And Deborah small you. You've done a lot of work on on the on the war on drugs, essentially which which exponentially increased the prison population. Can you explain how that when it came in? Just as I said, you know, filled the jails more more more. So I think we have to remember that. From the very beginning of drug prohibition, the drugs that we chose to criminalise and the narrative around them was always highly racialist, so opium was made illegal in response or specifically, as a method of controlling the Chinese population in the West. Cocaine was very early on associated with black people and violence. The fact that we use the word marijuana as opposed to cannabis. Cannabis is directly related to the history of using it against lat next populations, and on the modern war on drugs, which started officially under president, Nixon his aides have admitted that one of the main motivations behind launching a drug war was to have a method to be able to use law enforcement against the Anti. War Movement, and against the Black Liberation Movement and so the drug war was a direct response to. To the events around the civil rights movement, and the increasing demand of black people, not just for the end of basic racial discrimination, but for Economic Justice and political justice, and that movement as we know, was decidedly crushed through the force of the state, and then once those initial leaders were neutralized primarily through death, but also through incarceration, the drug war served as a method of continuing to target those populations and. And to have wide public support, because the public had already bought into the narrative that drugs were associated with minority communities, particularly black and Brown communities, and that's directly contributed not just mass incarceration, but as Professor Mohammad, said Mass Criminalization and the increasing militarization of the police who now see themselves as warriors in this drug war, and the people that thereafter are the very same people that they've supposed to be protecting. So can I ask Professor Mohamed because explain to us then how contemporary policing has roots in in the slave patrols of the pre-civil civil war. Well. You know it's it's. It's not so direct align as We might describe in context like this, but if we think of it in the biggest sense, policing has always been about controlling essential workers in the world by enlarge, but most especially in American society, so when we go back to the seventeenth century, and we look at the point of slave patrols. The very point was to make sure that the enslaved population which stay put on those stations that they would not engage insurrection that they would not steal themselves. They were in back property, so to actually take one's own self. A to to freedom was a form of a felony theft. and. So policing as America has always known, it has focused most explicitly on the least powerful the most vulnerable and those who have been tasked with the most essential jobs in this country to literally keep the economy going and so from slavery to freedom to the past several decades. It's African. Americans and others in Brown communities as well have been subjected to forms of surveillance and control over their class position in the American economy. What I want to talk a little bit more about the economy, because it's kind of shocking, the way thirteenth the documentary lays it out, and you know given the direct link between slavery and mass incarceration and involuntarily involuntary prison labor, which is played an enormous economic role similar as many say to slavery pre civil war. Can you just give us an example or some of the ways in which prison labor is used in the economic sphere? Well today, prison labor is a mostly state run system, meaning that the vast majority of people incarcerated in prisons are in public facilities paid with public dollars of the footprint of privately run prisons mostly runs through the federal system, and the mostly pertains to people being detained for violations of immigration law, so the point of harnessing the Labor power people incarcerated. is to keep taxes low in states in other words to pay people who are being punished by losing their liberty a dollar a day. Do Things at state. State, workers public employees would otherwise do or would be outsourced to private companies. There is also a small amount of people today who work for private corporations. They've been subcontracted by the state to private industry for the purpose, not unlike what was happening and the Jim Crow period of comic leasees working for US steel for example in Alabama, so our our system is mostly committed to spending about eighty billion dollars in punishment of which a significant portion of that either alleviates the cost of incarceration for the state by having. Incarcerated people do the work or a gets receipts or revenue from private corporations for a small number of people who work for private industry. Deborah I WANNA. Ask You because you know. A lot of your focus is on the war on drugs, and you talked about the story and the narrative and obviously a lot of that. Comes to public view via television via culture and David Simon who wrote the wire has spoken a lot about the war on drugs, and how it's contributed to this situation. Just WanNa. Play something that he said to me about this and get you to react afterwards. I know I sound like a broken record, but we have to end the drug war. We have to end the prohibition against drugs. It has become an overlay or the worst kind of police successes. It has taught generations of police officers, and it's it's. It's happened geometrically in some respects because we continue to militarize. And now the sergeants and lieutenants who learn how to do bad, we work. One generation ago, they're trading the new guys coming in how to do bad police work. We have to stop that. So so Def respond to issues there one the the the state of mind of the police, and to the idea of of just stopping this war on drugs and reducing the the incarceration rate that way. People are going to say well. Yeah, you say that this percentage is going to jail. Maybe they commit the most crimes. Can you address that issue first? And and then the issue of you know if all of this space was was liberated, and the money was liberated. Where where am I to be able to be redirected, too? So I. Think it's important for us to really think about the fact that as a country we've made prosecuting the drug war. The priority for police departments across the country and one of the things that that means is that many or communities especially poor black brow communities suffer the phenomenon of both over policed in underpoliced. They're over policed FA drugs there under police. Violent crimes like homicides rapes that don't get solved and don't get. Tested because the police took busy going after drugs I think it's important to note that in twenty eighteen then will one point six million drug arrests in the United States but eighty seven percent of those arrests were for possession, which means that they will for small amounts of drugs. There were six hundred sixty three thousand arrests for marijuana. Ninety two percent of those were for possession, so went to voting a tremendous amount of resources both police, resources and Correction sources in addressing crimes that aren't even worth the amount of money that it costs us to lock people up where we're literally keeping people in jails and prisons for crimes that theoretically amount to a few hundred dollars on the street, and having their lives ruined forever, and whether or not a person goes to jail for joy, crime or the prison, having a drug conviction can affect your access to employment to housing to education to all types of benefits. And why is it that we're doing that? Why are we not using our police resources to go after the people who are despoiling? despoiling our environment ruining our economy, you know committing financial crimes even with When we think about drug dealers, nobody thinks about banks, and yet you cannot have a successful drug operation without having bankers to launder the money almost every major American Bank has pled guilty in one form or another one time or another to having laundered drug money, but they haven't been prosecuted. They've been able to pay a little money in fines and going about their business. At the same time. We have people languishing in prison to ten twelve twenty years for having so small amounts of cocaine or heroin. And finally the Muhammed Professor Muhammad. Are you hopeful now that this whole issue police brutality, obviously in the wake of the killing of George Floyd and so many others. has become such a big political issue with at least sixty seven percent of the population, supporting the black lives matter movement. Do you think from all the you studied given that you've written about this going back at least since? Nine, hundred nineteen, which was one of the the first of papers on on on race and police Amalfi Malfeasance. You think things could change now. Well I, I. Hope. but I also have to be realistic, and so my job is to make sure that the public has all the information. It needs to be wise and intentional about what didn't happen in the past, and therefore to make what's possible in our president for different future. There's no need to speculate about how police reform itself is going to get us there because police reforms have. Have failed or hundred ears, asking police to change their behaviors like asking the fossil fuel industry to solve our climate change problem so my job like devas job and the media in general to make sure that the public has everything they need in front of them to learn from the past so that we can actually chart an effective future for change. Thank you for joining us. Think about your home for a moment. It's where life happens. It's where you build a treehouse or try that new recipe. It's where you rest and recharge work and play. You expect a lot out of it, and that's why homeadvisor is committed to keeping your home up and running no matter what they match you with the best pros in your area. Pros who can get your home projects done right from unexpected jobs. Jobs like appliance repairs clogged gutters leaky faucets to projects. You actually look forward to like creating your very own backyard, summer retreat or getting that new pool installed whatever it is, they're here to help and the homeadvisor. APP makes it easy. Use It to book and pay for more than one hundred projects with just a few taps, plus if you're looking for some local inspiration, you can see trending tasks in your neighborhood. So whether you need a last minute fix routine home, maintenance or an exciting new upgrade home adviser is here ready to do everything to make sure everything download the home advisor App and get started today. Now to corona virus, and the battles to reopen schools and universities, few have more experience with this dilemma than our next guest. Janet Napolitano. She was the first female president of California's sprawling public. System! She was also the first female secretary of Homeland Security under President Obama. Among other things dealing with the outbreak of the H One n one swine flu, she talks to our Walter. is about what her university is doing to help students at this time and what the White House doing to save American lives. Thank you. John and Janet Napolitano welcome to the show. Thank you Walter congratulations on a seven-year on so and you're leaving in a very difficult moment. Tell me how the changing situation this week on current virus is affecting how going to reopen the University of California's ten campuses. So. We're actually reimagining how we're going to reopen. Two of our campuses open in August that's Mercer Said and Berkeley the others. Don't open until the end of September so. They have a bit more time, but for Berkeley and merced said were really having to go back and. Revisit the density of the dorms. that will be safe. revisit the number and types of classes that can be offered in person. I think the bulk of the academic program. will be online by by necessity, but We still want to have some in person classes to the extent that we can do so safely, so we had some initial plans in the beginning of July, the resurgence happens, and you have to be agile and flexible in these circumstances, so we're going to go. like I said revisit what what had been. planned. Lie Bring People back at all. You know partially because there are just some classes that are better in person For example laboratory classes. Classes that are in the performing arts or studio arts were there is a significant and unique value. Add being in person, and then the advantage of having a small classes where there can be not just classroom instruction, but facilitating that kind of off class conversation that really goes into university experience, and so that's part of it, and then in terms of dormitory living. Living we have students, for whom the dorm is, actually the best place for them to live, they may not have an adequate housing situation otherwise and also. We know that dormitory life is part of what what young people what out of college or out of colleges and universities like the University of California so we want facilitate that to the extent we can. Get a lot of pushback from parents who say hey, wait a minute. This is not what we signed up for your money back. You know if you're not gonNA. Take kids to campus. Yeah, well well. We've been sued a couple of times. we did. provide refunds for housing and dining last spring when we had to shut down rapidly, Kobe in terms of tuition. The way we view it is that tuition is really designed to pay for the faculty and to pay for the delivery of educational content, so that students can make progress towards their degrees and. It's it's not specifically tied to being in person or online or remote, or whatever you WANNA call it but we think the the fundamentals for wide tuition is charged, and how it's calculated, still remain, and so We have no current plans to reduce two ISH. Should we use this crisis though to rethink fundamentally, leave the financial model for higher. Maybe, go online a whole lot more. Change a notion of what research universities should be doing. That definitely lessons learned in terms of how we do online instruction. will now be a permanent part of the -versity of California, but I think we should view them as a supplement to not a substitute for the residential college experience I think what we're learning here is that there are values to being a student at a residential university. Values in the social interactions between students and students and faculty and Staff the participation in extracurricular activities, the ability to take the conversation from in the classroom and keep talking while you're walking down the hall to the dining room and keep it going there. and that value add Is something that Oh. We should not WANNA lose as a country It's a great time of. Four social maturation of eighteen to twenty two year olds, but again will alter i. do think that the pedagogy. The way we teach will will change in light of what we've learned during the Cova crisis. You all the California system and many other universities are suing the trump administration for new immigration enforcement rule saying that foreign students can't have their visa extended If there are a place that's doing mainly online learning why push back on that. Why should the visas be extended if most of the learning is online? Well because. International students at the University of California they They are students, but they're also research assistance. They're teaching assistance. They're a vital part of the the graduate education at the University of California, and really the trump administration rule. was an ill considered. You know lever to force colleges to to not do online learning and to reopen as if the virus doesn't exist there. We're already through the pandemic There was no thought given to the role that international students play in American higher education and that's an important role. You and others the University of California have now endorsed a proposition that will be on California's ballot to repeal. Proposition two L. Name banned affirmative action. Do you think we should dale? In the light of what happened after George Fluids Staff used race as a consideration when determining who gets admitted to colleges. I think it should be a consideration. You know the University of California. Our admissions officers review a student according to fourteen different criteria. They want to evaluate the whole student They weren't evaluate how the student would contribute to the university. Should they be admitted the only thing they can't look to? Is the students race gender or ethnicity which is a a a key part of students identity at such an artificial limitation of so I hope that the ban on using that those factors is repealed by the California voters in November. You'll also trying. Trying to drop the Act test, the sat tasks. Is that so that you'd get more racial diversity, which the reason for dropping standardized tests like that this actually started with a request I made to the faculty back in two thousand, eighteen, who evaluate the use of the sat or act in UC admissions, faculty came back. recommended continued use of the SAT for period of years during which the university would develop own test, an its own test designed to measure whether students had mastered the Preparatory Coursework we require of applicants from California to the University of California. I looked at it and the way I saw it was. We were doing all of these things in our admissions process to mitigate for the simple fact that there's this correlation between sat and a students basically zip code the income level of their families and we. We were doing all of this work to try to. Erase that implicit bias in the task. and then in the end the test and give us all that much better knowledge of how a student would do at the University of California so. I just thought you know what it is time to wean ourselves away from use of the SAT, so we're not GONNA do it. All in one fell swoop were going to be test optional for two years. Many universities across the country are going to be test optional because of the interruption caused by Cova. Test Optional means a student considered a score but if they don't submit a score, they're not penalized for that. then will be two years test blind. What that means is that if a student submits a score, the score can be considered for something like course placement, but it cannot be used in the actual admissions decision, and then by twenty twenty five. We won't use the sat at all. What are the fundamental moral and -cational reasons to take race into account when you're admitting students. You know we're a public university and I think a public university has a public responsibility to be open and accessible to be a creator of opportunity, and I think what the country is recognizing now in the wake of the murder of George, Floyd and end the protests that have occurred since then. Is that the issue of racism in our country? It's not gone away. It's not magically disappeared It's GonNa. Require some focus and intention analogy to for our country to meet its aspirations for equality. And so for university, the University of California I think it means we have to make special effort and recognize that racism has affected students, of different colors and creeds. Throughout their upbringing. And we need to cut through that and make sure that you know our student. Body is diverse as it can be. You Wish Secretary of Homeland Security and you took on the h one n one flu epidemic. What did you learn from that? And what lessons from that or not being applied today? The number one lesson learned I think in H.. One Enron was the importance of clear and consistent science-based communication with the public so that the public knows what it needs to do, and what it can expect meaning H, one n one the of the cabinet who were involved myself secretary hhs. Secretary of Education. Arne Duncan when we spoke with the press We spoke only in terms of what we were being. By the CDC the importance of hand, washing and hand washing properly. The importance of coughing into your elbow very basic tools that the public then could use to its own advantage the the next thing we learned during h one n one. Was that pandemic planning really matters. We were able to use the playbook that had been developed during the Bush administration, and A. To H One n one, but we didn't need to start from scratch. And then thirdly I think we learned a lot about vaccine and vaccine manufacturer. You know the first. Case in the United States was founded in April of two thousand nine by the nets fall We had a national of vaccine campaign underway We were able to move very very swiftly. There now is different than a corona virus, which is a much more difficult organism to create a vaccine for then H, one one, which was a form of flu, but nonetheless. we put a lot of energy into not just the development of the vaccine, but having a vaccine distribution plan. Why can't we match the success of other countries that have pretty much successfully? Gotten to very low numbers well, we had that opportunity. We let it go. We were slow to the ball. we were slow to the ball on testing slow to the ball. In terms of establishing supply chain for critical reagents used in testing things like p. p. e. personal protective equipment for hospitals It's still chaos out there. And we have been absolutely a in in my view. misguided in terms of any communication coming from the White House, in terms of what the country should do, what is expected on the citizens of this country? We all have a role to play here and so that chaos that lack of leadership has had a real impact on our public health. It's you governor of Arizona. That stage getting walloped right now. What's happening? What went wrong there? Oh my gosh, yeah, I! Follow Arizona closely and. I think that's an example of a state that never really shutdown and when it reopened, reopen far too widely far too quickly, and when you look at the resurgence of virus there the ICU beds are act capacity. trajectory keeps going up Is a state that probably should consider going back into shutdown mode. governor Doug Ducey Republican. You are a democratic governor has just become so partisan at. He has not even consulted with you or if you've been talking to him I haven't not. I'm not spoken with a governor ducey. Bet You know I'll tell you Walter This is a public health crisis and should not be a partisan health crisis and one thing I. DO fault the Administration. The trump administration for is seeing everything. Everything through a political, Lens this virus affects Republicans and Democrats alike your ICU bed. Capacity doesn't depend on how many Democrats or Republicans are in your state. wearing a mask is a common sense. intervention that can really reduce the frequency of virus. How this got wrapped into Democrat versus Republican politics? I I think hindsight will not hindsight, even now will teach us. Is Jess the wrong way to approach it? Are you being vetted to be Joe Biden's reineck paint in this election? That to my knowledge so I. Guess you would know right I guess I would know. Yes. Okay Janet Napolitano. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you Walter. And finally the anonymous British street artist known as banks, he has a message. If you don't Mosk, you don't get. That's the title of his latest artwork that he shared in this video on social media today it shows the insurgent artists spray painting a chew car on the London Underground with his trademark images of Wrath, some sneezing, and some with mosques, hand sanitizer, and although he's all covered up, it is the clearest glimpse of banks today, an art installation that highlights the importance of covering your face and shoppers here. We'll have to wear masks entering stores in England, starting ten days from now why the weight you may ask! That's it for now, though thanks for watching and goodbye from London.

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How Did The Zebra Get It's Stripes?

The Good News Podcast

05:16 min | 1 year ago

How Did The Zebra Get It's Stripes?

"Listeners we would love to take your money. So that we can continue bringing you the best news that we can find from all over the world. If you're interested in supporting us, please visit our patriot. You can find it at patriotair dot com slash the good news podcast. Hi, I'm calling your host of the good news podcast. And I'm Neil. The other host the good news podcast is your source for good news, fun stories auditory, delight and sonic. Joy. We're bringing all of those goodness to you from the cards against humanity studios in Chicago. Meal. Have you ever wondered why zebras have stripes? I have can I tell you why I think they do will that spoil now because I think you'll get it wrong. Allow okay, I think zebras have stripes that are fairly uniform across the entire herd. So that it would be harder for a predator to determine like an individual's zebra from the general zebra population. Science has proven you wrong. Is that what they used to think they were used to? But recently, some scientists out there specifically doctor Tom Cairo who studies animal coloration at the university of California Davis. What a career, I know. Right. Hey, mom and dad. Guess what? I'm getting into Tom Cairo's a genius. I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure he's he went into something more general and then got Jeep into coloration as one does. So he has been working with a group of researchers to try and understand what house he has got their stripes. And what they found is they found that zebras have stripes are way less likely to get stung by insects that carry diseases And so it's a Darwinism type things the zebras that were stung less where the ones with the most stripes. And so those stripes pro created with those other zebras that had stripes, and that's striped zebra, the the stripe zebra came about. What is it about the stripes that detracts confuses the insects? Oh, yeah. They don't know where to land or where not to land. It's too confusing for them to navigate need. No. I know how did they do the? Test. Okay. That's even more fun. I feel like I saw a picture of a horse wearing a coat or something. Is that right? Was this? I can't wait tell me about it. It's super hard to get close to wild zebras. So they have. Yeah. They have a really hard time. They had a really hard time doing that. What they ended up doing was they dressed some horses in zebra print. A farm in England. They have these these horses covered in like, a zebra coat. And then they determine against their controlled group, which is just the regular horses the amount of insects that are they're getting in touch with over a period of time. I love that experiment. I would love to be one of the people who has to like go out and put a little zebra coat on a horse. Yeah. I would love to be the person who makes the zebra coat for a horse. I mean, I need you to even think larger and people just need to be walking around bring zebra coats. Because then we that's the best insect repellent out there. Yeah. Yeah. What are we doing? I don't know. We're not doing it. Right. Doing it. Right. All the zebra print zebra print bodysuits. Yeah. Like, a full zebra print bodysuit. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news incredible? Or maybe wanna tell us a joke. Right dea. Excellent Email us at Hello. At the good news, podcast dot F. M leave his voice mail at seven seven three two one seven zero one five six you can also. The good news tot and follow us on Instagram too. And if you love the good news podcast think about supporting us on our patriot page. Most of our music is by putting bear.

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Telling Time on Saturn

Innovation Now

01:29 min | 1 year ago

Telling Time on Saturn

"Exactly how long is a day on Saturn. The answer. It turns out was hidden in the rings. This is innovation now bringing you stories behind the ideas that shave our future the link of day on Saturn has long been a mystery the planet has no solid surface with landmarks to track as it rotates, and it's unusual magnetic field hides the planet's rotation rate as the interior of Saturn vibrates, however, the rings of Saturn detect those movements creating waves instruments on Nasr's Cassini spacecraft examined the icy rocky rings of Saturn in unprecedented detail before the mission ended in late twenty seventeen a team from Nasr's Ames research center, and the university of California Santa Cruz have used the Cassini data to study the wave patterns in the rings and calculate the length of day. Researchers. Now that a year on Saturn is equal to twenty nine earth years. And now the team is excited to report that the link of a Saturn day is ten hours thirty three minutes and thirty eight seconds for innovation. Now. I'm Jennifer poet innovation. Now is produced by the National Institute of aerospace through collaboration with NASA and is distributed by w HR V. Visit us online at innovation now dot US.

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