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PMS 2.0 060 - The Road To Wrestlemania

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0

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PMS 2.0 060 - The Road To Wrestlemania

"Lou. Hello. It is April second two thousand nineteen and we're coming to you live from an airport hotel near Baltimore, Maryland. We've been on the road resume anywhere in Hershey. DC now, we're in Baltimore the last three days have been electric a lot has happened in our world your world. Let's get to it. Joining me or the road hawks. Oh. It's very late that lasts particular bird chant call there. We could have done without a little bit loud. That was once again Boston on. Every time we do this. He fails to remember that there are people six inches away from us on the other side of the wall. But he is here valuable member of the road ox Advil Zito's here at him. Fox's in the corner over there. Great story to start off this trip for FOX. We'll talk about that momentarily at tie on the board in that Franklin morose here. How boys this has been a hell of a trip? Oh, yeah. It's been I mean, lady hawks performing well, though, lady Hawke R v that we rented from a lady in Kentucky, the lady in Kentucky thought she was running it to a couple of forty year olds maybe fifty year olds who are looking to midlife crisis their way across the fucking country. No, no. They sold it to Zito and Connor. They the lady said that she thought about changing her mind on letting you rent. Yes, us about ready to change her mind up until we're putting pen to paper there for a little you sign the contract. You've got it done. We got lady Hawke flying around. She's wide open. It about seventy miles an hour. Been driving around these parts of town. Here we get to Hershey where there was a WWE live event. We got the film a lot of things in the camera. That'll be coming out on the WWE Instagram tomorrow, and that WW YouTube it when I say this, even if you're not a wrestling fan, entertaining stuff, very Marceau electric. I had my shirt off at one point with a guy who has a ten pack. You're gonna wanna see that. That's musi. The we drove to DC through the night. We got up yesterday in the nation's capital with zero plants. None we're like you don't want. We'll stop by diner. This shows about the good not as good as the tickets. You can get with seat king. Hey, seeking has the greatest tickets on earth. You know, why? Because they're at the best prices. You wanna why why was it? You know, why? Yeah. Because they scan all the other ticket buying platforms. Make sure you get the best bang for you Blunk whenever they see that tickets at a price at another place. We can be counting where are your friends to seek because you know, we do we make any current about deals for humans whenever they're making incredible memories for themselves because when you get tickets, it's not just a live event your own to. It's not just a game. It's not just the show is not just a little play. It's not just anything, and you tickets to it's a store your Intel for the rest of your life. Hey, I remember when I want to insert name of thing, you take it to here. I had the Tom, Molly. Remember you want to that w e live show and Hershey. And there was a guy who's forty five years old with two kids and a wife who is air. Fist-bump ING Seth Rollins from seventy five yards away. It wasn't a ticket. It was that moment. Remember that every single game? Every single show has one of those makes some memories today, you're live. But are you living? Go live with your friends at CQ's, promo code, Pat and get ten dollars off your first order. In our hotel. Just so happen to be near the capital. So we walked past the cab because if we're here might as well, get selfie with the capital you walk past the anti-serbs signs right there on your right, by the way, somebody spends every day of their life putting up signs in front of the capitol questioning people's rights to cut off for skins a baby it was getting law support. There's five signs out there to people. I respect that a lot. I mean, I I appreciate that that they hate it so much that they do that. So we go we'd take a selfie there. I sent a picture of the capitol to Anthony Zola's former teammate of mine with the Indianapolis Colts. Who is now a congressman for a high. He deems back his phone, call me. So I call them like, okay. On a boys Amman align with congressman. He goes. Hey, what's going on around? Like, what are you doing? He's actually got the afternoon offer next couple hours. Like, he's what he is doing. Well, we're going eat. He's like all joining meets us for lunch. We have a launch sitting congressmen. He lays out the entire state of the union, by the way learned a lot about the way the politics work here. Oh normally optimistic guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Pretty optimistic guy. I was a little bit shook, by the way, everything works after hearing the inside, but he's very optimistic. He's excited. He loves his job as a congressman. This is the first three months he enjoys being able to hopefully, turn the country around all that stuff. But what he did after lunch. We I incredible scrambled egg at this place called Ted's Ted's. I guess as we're all moving and shaking in DC goes lobbies go in there. They were some brunches Nachtwey dollar Ted's got Gooden Yorkie. Zito's infected my brain. A good place. And I asked him afterwards. I'm like is there any way we can maybe get tore the capital, you know, this way works just shoot my shot there, and he goes, absolutely I go really he goes. Yeah. No problem. He is this pin on his suit. That says he's a congressman in basically says you can get in wherever fuck, you, whatever he wants to do he can get it. So we're just like the motley Crue, welcome behind them. They're six of us bind. Sick. One guy's in a suit tie is wearing an entire sweatsuit. That's a mix match sweatsuit. Like, it's not a matching Switzer it's like under armor, sweat fans Nike hoodie like you had to pick those and put that on. I'm wearing all sorts shoes and Dida shoes. For comfort lily, rocky Bobo. We're just supposed to go to a diner and then come back to the lady Hawke. That's what I was. Thank you, go to the arena more. Instead what happens we meet up with congressman shake hands kiss babies. All of a sudden next thing, we know we're gonna God damn the balcony of the house floor speakers balcony speaker. No, we're not speakers about any. We're at the balcony of the house flow where the state of the Union's happen. Where was wearing the white dress in the white dress? Brigade was much smaller room. It looks small house press point lot of history in capital, by the way, there's bullet holes in one of the tables on the house floor strictly because and this is what I was told by other people smarter than me a Puerto Rican conglomerate came in with a couple of guns and shot him up. The holes are still in the table. It was like thirty years separatist areas. There was blood on stairs in the capital. Trippy those coffee. It looked like coffee. I don't know how blood doesn't marble actually do it. Looks like coffee. Cleaned it doing I I think that might be like a part of it. But there's a lot of attacks on this place where God's works. And he was shown us around walking around. We see the original house floor where ABRAHAM LINCOLN seat has a panel. It's like, oh, this is Abraham then there's a statue of Ulysses grant is at the guy from the confederate Jefferson Davis Jefferson Davis who is from the confederacy president of the confederacy up pretty well known bad guy. And you bet herbal when it comes to the way America was founded, and what we're looking for the south did some things that were very negative. We don't like it try to hijack the country was a war about it. A lot of people grabbed guns who want the war. We wanna war. Ulysses grant, though, says name pretty vital part of our country's history. Oh, yeah. You the civil wars a pretty massive part of it. So he has. I don't I don't think that's accurate at all. I don't even know what he's a ten dollar Bill O. Alexander Hamilton fifteen. Nope. I I'm betting, and I'm gonna say this. I don't think Ulysses grant is on any dollar. I believe grants. One of the bills might be on on one of the bill's like he's fifty I can understand why people were pissed just for future. References. There is an uproar about him being on a dollar. I could see why you don't want to put that guy Bach. It kinda maybe. The guy who's the confederate president. No, Ulysses, not Jefferson Davis. Ulysses grant, who's the guy from the south Jefferson Davis case, I haven't seen this Jefferson Davis than the guy that there is he's pretty massive part of the history with civil war. There's a statue of him for a long time. He was a part of this statue there statues of everybody in this thing, you know, what they did to make your right rate across from the house floor original house floor from Jefferson Davis Bagai, Rosa Parks, just grilling. They notice statue of Rosa Parks, grilling themselves, and I still say history. Yeah. We went through we learned all about the United States history, the politics everything how felt like we're going through an entire like what's that called political science? Yeah. Yeah. Folly side, the whole thing I feel like that. Then we walk through. There's a bunch of tours going on L got these fucking headphones on he's headphones are just getting a CD telling them where they're at. We got congressman donuts overdue and we keep going. We keep Zito finds his favourite guy's name is Damian. Look, Damian statue in the house Zito Zeno followed up with do the people that have these statues. They get to see the statues before they die and guns. Oh, sorry. Congressmen Gonzales goes, pretty sure they're dead. That's why they build statues Ngoga dollars. Damian didn't get disease. Didn't guns. I think he just walked away. Bathroom. I will say this the take a photo, and you have a double chin in it. I think it's a lot worse than that. Oh, see Jennifer SpongeBob squarepants statue a guy from Hawaii. It was the worst statue. We saw a day. We saw a lot of statue. A lot of statues today. So finally were walking through and he takes us up like this back stairwell. And then it goes at the double door system might please be quiet. We had to get he had to get let in like it was a VIP access. Nobody was in there. We open the door. And all of a sudden boom were on the speaker the houses balcony off the back Nancy Pelosi's back balcony off of her office, which overlooks the Washington Monument. The circumcision protesters it where we took our selfish just about forty five minutes beforehand. We were all of a sudden kings of the castle. And that was a moment that we created on the internet that foxy Brill brilliantly. We should not have been where we were most exclusive you in Washington incredibly there's been a lot of places that I shouldn't be. But that one is number one for sure on places. The good news for Connor's yet. His NASA had on. So he felt like he was right in government had to represent NASA at the White House. You weren't the White House. You're at the capitol Zito also off on me. So we were the what else? All right. Capitol building on Capitol Hill. Guys, come on the best part about I think my favorite part of the day. Underrated day this speakers about me was incredible. Felt like it. Honestly felt like we're in a movie up there, filling Charlie Wilson's war. Yeah. Goes potentially in Charlie Wilson's war. Whatever they overlook is thing. And she's like all the monuments that you have the best view I've ever seen. We go into the the house floor area where they do all the voting. They take all of our electron IX from us on our air bod's your buds things in they took that for me, take your apple watch off my ever watch, which I'm a big time watch wear now because it save one of my friends lives for like apps seriously. They save one am I I'm I'm not watched guy. We'll talk about numerous times moving watches really change it movement sunglasses, obviously. But does apple watch save? My friend's life told him he had a fit which means resting heart rate was like three times as is. It should have been in the hospital save his life. So I was like that guy had a lot of thirty something, right? Thirty seven years old that had a lot of similar hobbies. I had whenever we're in college together. A Mizzou my heart could potentially be acting the same way his I'm get one and plucking Steve Jobs watches, and hopefully saved my life. So I'm gonna watch had to take off to get into the house floor. No Electric's revive's took our took everything from us. We'll talk about the vapes, by the way. Connor set up a not shady delivery. All. We'll talk about that later, we go in there guns, telling us all the history of everything this is where this happens is this happens. I sit over here. My wife set here for the state of the union Malania was here. This is where he sees sat and crew rate everything, right? We're going through it. He's like, oh, let's go over this other coal. We get up. We go leave, and we're pretty much only people in our section. It was kind of like an exclusive felt like we had to play store. Couple of ice cores over to the right? I guess, but they're all by himself. There was a lady who had the same pin on the guns had. And she had her phone Connor is the last one out in CONNER. Looks are goes no cellphones. No. This honor tells an African American congresswoman that she's not allowed to have her cell phone where she's at and then shuts the door interfacing, just walks out. Classic German jab. This ladies work and just not allowed to do. Fuck. She wants. But she is that's DC's. The city of said. Not accurate. Accurate. Title, those congresswoman that she can't have cell phone. And I think even order to keep it down. I think even already keep it down towards going on. I mean, people couldn't hear so try to get kicked out. We gotta go. See the balcony was fucking awesome. I mean, it was just a wild scene. And I don't know how many people go from the NFL to congress. But Anthony solace. I think is very big plans over there, very very big plants from Ohio hard worker went to Stanford got his MBA as very intelligent guy when I was teammates with him. He was always like the smarter guy on the I mean, he's just good guy. What he did for us? Today was incredible feta stuff. Crazy working. Forgot we walked under the tunnels underneath the capital across the street underground to where all the the congressman's meet offices are. And where the senator's offices are. So we're just walking past all the shit. We walk in his office. It was a massive office. There's there's a team of seventy two staff seven there's a legislature side. There's another side. They gotta read all these bills and pass it through them. We gave him a standing ovation served. We came in there and just started clapping form as loud as we could never ever in the history of fucking parliament has that. Where does scream I'm wearing a sleeveless hoodie. Tyler like, literally just rolled out of bed foxy still hung over Vuk at four days ago when showed up for the trip is blocked out. I mean, we were just a terrible looking group human just wandering to Devon Nunez. I guess is one of the most powerful guys Republican party walks bias wearing a suit questionable shoes. Be honest shoes. Unless they were some very impressive shoes that I didn't recognize, but they look like some basic as like WalMart Gabon McColl's, or which by the way, saving people's money. Absolutely. Do what you gotta do. He he gives the gun in a wink, the Peyton gave me with red eighteen thing walked by. And we just look like a bunch of fucking slapped. I've never seen anything like they had to be my there was meetings today about the meetings about us. But why the fuck was gone letting us in it's going to get some votes either that or gonna see tomorrow he's been relieved of his duties. That'd be magical, absolutely magical. 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Robinhood free stock like apple Ford or sprint sign up. Right now at McAfee dot robinhood dot com. Then we traveled to a mega mansion in Virginia got invited to a mega mansion of former peer of mine it was for Jin university. Former student body president and West Virginia who has carried me out of the club. I guess couple of times a few times in violence overdo. It is one of the duties as the president of West Virginia student president you have to carry patio. That's wants one vote. We over lots of celery when I was there. Yeah pressure is a little bit more. Hindsight's fifty minutes. He cabinet and set it. So we go to that guy's dad's house and that guys like the head alumni guess from WVU. I did not know I'm not very much in touch with the WVU. I'm night in graduate. I didn't even know I wasn't alumni told tonight. I was told I was an alumni because I wasn't Nick also WVU I'm not because you went there for one year. There you go there you guys men look at you guys. One night has crazy. We both learned that. But we showed up at a house that was it had five chandeliers in it law. It was it was a twenty thousand square foot Italian Chateau, basically the kids that they ordered Domino's pizza. Oh, living in artwork in that place was surreal. The guy said that they hired an artist was doing phobic across the street. They caught him doing the neighbor's house phobic fake stuff. They said do you wanna come over here and paint our place, and they let them go nuts. It looked guy moved in at least fifty paintings in that it looked like Pablo Picasso took a bunch of fucking Attar on just started. It was incredible. It was it was the most. It was nice during the day. We're standing on Nancy Pelosi's fucking balcony. Just overlooking. The powers that be. And then like eight hours later were in his mega mansion. And then we're back in the lady Hawke fuck and getting passed by a big rig that definitely driven by a method. The road is not cut out for people that are soft. I learned that today whenever there's eighteen Wheeler that was going ninety five miles an hour driving through traffic weaving through as if they were fucking IndyCar driver. It was an listen saying if you hear about a guy driving a red truck in the tri-state area over here, we seem them, and we knew he was going to die. We got him on gopro, gopro disaster. Who's insane? So that's what our life has been anything else that I missed anything. Oh, yeah. We're we're out on April Fools. Piton? Nick when we start question that you say everything's ally stayed off Twitter today because you can't trust anything. Nothing is real today. Justin Bieber said that he and his lady reprennent. Yeah. It was fake fake Brady said he was retiring, and even I didn't like them, and I was just cornea a hack thing. I think Brady social media presence is one that's impressive. I mean, the cartoons takes to another level special because he's greatest fulltime so him playing in the internet's the money. Men listening many members. So good that little tweet thing that he did announce his retirement tweeden inside very hacky that is of Tom Brady. Yeah. It's disappointing. Really? But I mean, he got the the data April as the data, April Fools thing. Also, great to have welcome to Twitter. Tom Conor McGregor? Shumpert Rosaiah real thing. We know we don't care Justin bieber's, baby. Not a real thing. He's getting attacked for not being sensitive. How about that? People are coming after him for not being sense to people who can't have kids or. I don't even know if they sort of grants they might be on fucking along with them circles. Damian was a April Fools, drew while the capital that statue the head of it looks like it just there for that day. Father Damien did not deserve that. If that is the case of them gets remember that way, he is family should be pissed. Yeah. Damian and daughter day had a problem with the way he's being ripped. If you're listening right now. Google Father Damien statue in the house or capital. I guess in imagine if if you were Father Damien, and you obviously did something great because they were thinking about a statue up view. And that's what it ends up to be. I think it's like it's like Dion Sanders fucking Moda account. It's like Renault does bus. Terrible. They're all pretty bad. None of them are as other Davies at things terrible. We're all out on April Fools. Yep. Sam didn't even semi one. Like, I'm pregnant or anything like that. So I'm kind of proud of Sam. Let's good. This is a big step. Yeah. Yeah. Given up the old jokes. We texted in the morning. I told her how bad I hate to. I hate it before stay like, I think it's stupid because you always somebody always say something that's just a little bit too serious. And it makes you go a is real this week appear spin by the five o'clock Friday news, dump like, April Fools day. News real news. Good idea. Yes. Something think about whenever we run for president or whatever or whoever runs for president next. No matter what the party is think about saving bad shit, come out for April Fools. So it's just kind of fake. You know what I mean? 'cause that's real everybody could be lying. Everybody about everything just debate. Forever. Did he actually do that? How do they propose start? Did. We look that up. Yup. What is it? Some historians. Speculate that April Fools day dates back to fifteen eighty two when France switch from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian Gregorian calendar. Okay, nick. And but yeah, the basically happened that January I thought was April first. And then that was like the whole thing speculate. What is the French or part of this? Yeah. We knew it. We know. It didn't we I mean, we absolutely knew the French are going to be a bar something. I guess I think kids probably love it. Yeah. I mean, it's a kid thing usually play some pranks. Yes. Some fun. Your dad plays joke on you April. Fools. What's your biggest break me? I don't know a big prank guy. Yeah. You are die on it. But I. Yeah. And then come back. Digs theory onto. Elvis like. Aproval pets tricky. He said he was good. It's it's Todd mccombs holiday April. Oh my God. We were not around. Doing shit all day on every toilet. Right off shoop it on yourself. I'm not a big pranks guy, by the way. I don't it's a lotta guys doing the locker room a lot. I was born. I was part of a couple. I was just I was asked to be part of the group that was doing it. And the group that was doing it was the aluminum body of the team. So I was like, yeah. I'll do this for sure with you just in by way intern. I thought there's no way they'll get me if I do, but it was kind of fun watching like professionals do it. Yeah. Which is basically if I was the name list of humans that were doing pranks like the night before training camp ended at training camp. I it was mind blowing to me like they showed up at my door in the road in Rome's don't open your door. So if you get a late night knock do not open the door because they're leaning one of them gigantic garbage cans against your door. And since you have all your shit packed. It's on the floor. So the garbage cans is filled with water you'd they knock on the door. You open it just dumps into your loan loss hotel hijinks. Yes, was a dorm. So I was asked to do it by some the powers of be and they knocked on my door. And I didn't answer. It didn't answer it in the person goes, Pat, the fact that you didn't answer it is why we need you to answer. And I was like neno, right? I'm not playing these games. No way. So then the person put their hand underneath the door was like your good fake hand. Now, I opened it. Wow. I I open and they were right. And they're like come on. And I was like Iraq come here, we go. I'm in the group. Okay. Which also, by the way, watch a lot of crime stuff in in. I was a I had a suspicious mind. I thought that meant they were going in my room to do something terrible. But instead it was a complete opposite. It was me and a couple other rookies jobs to sprint. We went into the staff dorm. So like where where like the scouts were in the coaches and shit like that I didn't even know that we could get in there. So. Like, the players didn't even really get it. When you want straight to the staff, and the coaches dorm, and I'm thinking is about idea, and I look around who I'm with them. Like, I mean there there's no way they're cutting these guys. So it's like I over good. So we're going to get there's there's this new. There's this new PR guy on the team in the PR team had to speak to the team during first aid training camp about like the coats. What we choose to say who talked to all that stuff. Right. This guy was not a great public speaker. Now, you're speaker, he pokes weaker. Really? He was supposed to speak for five minutes. That thing was like fifteen twenty minutes long at the end of a three hour meeting. So he won over nobody during his stay. It was not a good speech either. He he even would admit that it was bad. So he became target number one for all the. Oh, jeez. That were that I was with. So we go over into filter garbage. Can you're not gonna care it from one dorm room, the other you gotta fill it up in the shower in the dorm. So we go into the coach's fucking shit into the staff into that thing, we go into the dorm room, and we just turn on a shower K dorms or pretty close to zero. Just turn on like one AM curfews like ten or eleven this thing's wide open, and we're all just standing in the individual shower stalls. I believe I'm standing in the one with the garbage can obviously and Bill Polian walks into brushes teeth, so billions about to go to bed. He walks in brushes teeth in the the showers around the corner. So that you could we poked their head out and saw him and everybody likes polka in watching like these guys who are mega millionaires like hiding in was awesome. We're all hiding in their Boeing's like just brushing his teeth man that guy he did the entire like how long you're suppose. It was a long brush in at this point that garbage cans filling up pretty high. But I catch turn off shower because Bill points talk to whoever was in there. You know, hey, little late night conversation. So I just kept it running and that thing to start overflowing. So now, it's like a leaking sound coming out of it. And it sounds like it's hitting a pond. So. Like. Yes. Sounds like somebody has an incredible posters coming out. So he finally leaves we have to dump a couple out. But now we gotta wait for him to get back to his room. He wasn't the fastest Walker had bat hips, and we roll that thing over we carry that thing over to the guys the guy's dorm room in in you, do the classically and in was not called upon to do the knock and running part because I guess punter. I was being stereotyped. I couldn't be fast enough. So we waited in the in the stairwell which was like two doors down and very fast wide receiver. That was drafted in the same classes me was doing the knocking. So he goes bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba. And then he comes runs there when you wanna listen, right? You wanna hear that thing crashed as what's all the work for you? They will got gone Polian. I was carrying this bucket of water one point. Stick around for. Yep. Yeah. And we hear a what from the room. So it's like I go. So now another bait out there. You know what I mean? So he goes back. Same guy goes back. Bumba tumor Marin back us why what? Gotta go back goes back and knocks again, boom, boom, boom, boom. And he turns the corner in the stairwell. You hear the door open which opened in year. Then you hear a loud. How? It was the saddest thing I've ever been a part of my entire life. We sprint down. They always hear the door open. We go running out. You just watch all the lights on the dorm. Just compund flying on. It was like I got twelve year old again, you know. And it was that moment of that drew help. Like, I heard real panic in there. Yeah. I was like I'm not going to be part of this. I'm not gonna do this every feel terrible. So I want to bed, and I guess there was another crew doing the same thing. And they did like six of the rookies like back to back to back to back like same like all the same floor right next to each other. In we wake up the next morning, and there's like fourteen fifteen cleaning, ladies, they're just mopping the. Below. So they're mopping the floor floors below. They're like cleaning it up miserably mad, right? I'm just walking by like a good day. And we get out to the field in Jim called was like we've flooded the door. You guys guys not do that. My aunt. I'm like what Jim does Jim have any idea who any of these people are doing what is he gonna do? Because I know the crew that I was with nothing. Jim call was going to do. I can tell you that right now. And he's just like, let's just move on. And let's never do that again because the coats have to pay for an entire redo of about a floor like everybody's like let's get to everybody acted as if it's happened. And we just kept moving, and it was literally that was like this is why hate pranks always ends up terrible. But that moment of like knock knock knock him hiding. I felt like a twelve year old again, like whatever we're doing something very dumb. It was like that moment of like. Oh, my I wasn't. Wasn't a happy. Watching all the lights turn on. That's the only thing. I was ever bought of literally because they didn't believe in Peyton Manning was very adamant about not hazing very adamant because he was like if you look at the great teams normally they have big time contributions from rookies. So the last thing we want to do is just make them think that they they hate they don't wanna come to work there. It was very adamant against hazing thing. And at WVU there wasn't much hazing either. I mean, I we we had to do a freshman show we had to sing. And then that was in very really been a part of pranks somebody ship. Somebody's car somewhere. I was about that. I was in the middle of that. I was involved with that. The same particular evening, though. Same particular. Even it just wasn't as big of a deal. They I was I actually wasn't even like a part of that. But I did see it happening. So I like walked in the middle of it. I was like, oh here we go. This is awesome. And. Somebody took one of the coaches cars said coach was also new and was ruffling some feathers around the team wasn't wasn't beloved by ready yet gay. So he came in a little strong everybody ended up very much liking him. But he came in a bit strong. And there's people that are like this fucking guy. So they get his car and there's a quad. So where the coaches dorm was that we were running out of at that time was to one side and the players dorms were on one side. And then there was like the gym was on sites. It really like a quad like whatever we'll Faeroes it later. Like, I never knew what that meant until we got to this place Anderson university. So they brought his car somehow somebody got in his room got his keys from him. I think it was one of those ladies had for like funnel, eight hours. Get his keys move his car into the middle of the quad. They dump I don't know how many things shipping peanuts there. But it was the entire thing was packed to the gills. And then they stir ran wrap the entire car like with like ten Saran wrap things like up and down and underneath and all around. Right. The whole thing. So the next morning, I see those people mopping, and then I walk through the quad. And I see the fucking car there. And I was just laughing like this is the NFL. This is crazy. So then obviously, there was not even a word said by Jim Caldwell butts car, by the way, it was just like guys, we flooded the fucking thing going not do that. So it was it was a coach that I worked with. And he's obviously. Really visually distraught. You know, what's wrong, Maine's like lost my car? And I was like what's that? He's called the cops like three or four times lost my Carl's like call him back. I found it. I was like it's in the middle of the quad in your pocket. A like the way, and he was was even mean have you really not seen it us? Like, no, I was like. I mean, it's in the middle of the quad. You're going to see AT, but call the cops because everybody is found that. He got mad like you got upset. He walked over like straight from where we were right over to it saw in just like cold shoulder to every single human after practice. He was not happy, and it was from that. And then the flooding. I think it was like that day literally compounds like I get this should not worth it. That guy. I almost like you could tell really hurt his soul that that we well. I I didn't do it. If I took credit pissed off somebody else took credit for it, actually. And they got their push. They got their room. No, I don't wanna take credit for it. I did not. I did not do it because it was genius everybody. Having was the first one where everybody walked out, and it was just like so happy like everybody on the team has genuinely happy ever. They didn't know whose whose car was because it was rep. So thick. They just knew that. It was a car news an SUV that is definitely an issue. But I we can't tell you which one it is. It was amazing, but somebody took credit for it on their social media. And it was seen on the on somebody else's social media. Not mine law Mino. I I did. I fuck it. As soon as I heard that what was brewing. I got immediately went up to bed. I was like out of here. But that guy ended up getting. Here when that was over. It was over the garbage canning was over, and then he took credit, but Bubba, and then it was a wild scene, man. It was a lot of drama Donnie was drum. And that's why I don't do the games crank wars escalate quickly. Yeah. Well, I don't know why people enjoy them to like, I don't like the look over the shoulder situation. Like Justin beer by fend. A lot of people with that little joke. Though was anybody funded by just be retain their fake pregnant. Who cares? It's fucking April Fool's day. You know, they'll be a rube. See it common. Come on guys have some respect for the fetus and for yourself. Oh, you're talking about Justin Bieber. Yeah. What feed is. It's a fake. Fetus, neighbor, fools fetus? I mean. It's a it's a metaphorical fetus, come on have some respect. No. It's not. It was a joke of fetus, jokey metaphorical feet. It's I mean, this is just this is twenty nineteen that's normal. He was trending number one on Twitter for people bashing him for we live in a bats. It's tough. I'll bet you're enjoying the show. You know, you did your research on the show news going to be good. Whenever you clicked on it with the description at tie put together it read as clear as day. This is going to be a good one. Let me tell you about a site that does the same exact thing for your betting habits and you're betting decisions. It's the action network. Oh, let's go. All the action network is an in-depth informative sports gambling website that not only let you know why you should bet on something. But how much you should be betting on something? 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Those two people out there protesting circumcision like. About the bottles in Indianapolis. You fucking, hey, how about this one day you to says these five like foreskin sons twenty Indianapolis bottle of size? Just start switching things like let's just start working for everybody. So many real issues to be upset about waste your time and energy on seriously. What did they say not your body? Not your right or something. I think it was like not your body. Not your right? It said on the sign the baby that you can see en- gave birth to like. She'll fuck out, you know, what our bedtime and they'll go like we're not do times anymore because it's not my body on my right choice. I'll tell you what not a battle. I respect what these little young fuckers up. Just like nothing can happen to them. You can't do that to be no way. You don't. You're saying I did. Well, no, you did wrong for saying because I'm allowed to do whatever. I wanna do because it's not your body. It's not you're right. That's a good way to go. I don't have kids. Now of a sudden my kids should know that if I want to clip the tape your penis garden. Cheers, I'm going to do it. You're going to be there would. Garden shears down the line. All right. So we had a pretty wild fucking day. Yeah. We drove with baron Corbin from Hershey to DC the highlights of that conversation, Barron Corbin. K fehb real life. Tom pests doc offensive lineman for the coats are we're rookies together. Then he went the cardinals. And then he went to Orlando. And it was he, and I are very close friend not very close. We are close friends, though, close friends like and he's one of the most hated guys in WWE right now. I think that is I could say that he I think he's actually really a six year old in her. She I think told him to go. Fuck himself attitude towards a six old is fuck this guy. He's hated by everybody, which is good for the e by the way, but he's old friend of mine. So I put some real questions out there. That'll be at the end of the show other things happened in the world. How about and I don't even wanna get into it. Because this guy. Was the face of consistency. Wasn't he? Yeah. The face consistency. And then he went on vacation, south beach. Then something happened. The sun moves too close to the equator something happened, and he started getting on the wrong escalators that were just going out of buildings with clear signs. He started leaving multi dollar items just random restaurants in forgetting them. He started doing all of these things. And then for the this nine day road trip road to wrestlemainia he decided to a ten hour bender rate before which was only. Ahead of a twelve hour bender the night before that so twenty two hour bender. Oh, gee, basically coming into nine day trip whenever his videos are massive. They're like they're pretty big part of the part of the operation. The reason why we're going on the trip. You know what? Hey, we got big nine days coming. I'm show up fucked up drunk. I'm a sober up on the first flight to Charlotte, hopefully, not enough and then on maybe that second one and go to work when he's been great ever since we thought it was a wild decision by we I mean me he does like while decision. I've found in Brown send them home almost I'm home is like what the fuck are. We doing. I'm gonna road trip for nine days expecting you to be at full strength here. You are coming in after. But you know, what saved him with that? I could see go through his entire body in this talking about seven FOX, I could see his entire body come back to life when Michigan state beat. Awesome. It was an automobile even credible. He could barely talk. He he became the ugliest Tuban of bunks our group, which is hard to do because he's he's he's the best looking guy probably in Indianapolis. And when he showed up for that twenty two our fucking bender. He looked like a method any yet. I did you saw we looked radii this fucking method bags under his eyes down to his jaw was I go pick it up Brel like, hey tie, those things up to your fucking eyeballs. It's whereas I being you're only twenty three years old would be. Voice was so deep because he couldn't he was screaming. I think the entire might have been at fucking ultra down there Miami. He might down. There it sounded as if he might have been a lot like he was saying it's Miami. What maybe goes back, and double double Dutch is the triple stamp by two point. Oh as working guy. So Michigan state beats Duke though. And all of a sudden, he's a whole new animal? He's back. It makes sense. There's no way that Zion should be out of the tournament. Reno. I mean was Tommaso. It was Izzo coaches is a great coach. How about the entire thing? The entire storyline us included because it fucked over the second half over was about how Thomas coaching doesn't match up with the current climate of sport in here. We are saying that is out coach fucking coach K, right? I mean, you have three McDonald's all Americans. Verse a couple of guys from Michigan state. You have what people are saying is the greatest college basketball prospect in the history of college basketball on one team, and he's not even the normal in prospect team. I got any RJ Barrett's on that team. And then you have five guys on the other side in somehow coach K just gets completely out coached, by coaches. Oh, and this is the guy who's coaching style wasn't good enough for our our thing. I think this is quite a reality. Check for society. Here. This whole thing. I coaches approved a lot of people wrong a lot of people rooting for him to fail after that. Probably a lot of people are like he could have chosen different method Dicko Chee. This is not a good look for Tommaso. And then here he isn't a fuck of fun of four. Michigan state fans gets be happy. Whenever they go. Green racist shit like everywhere gives us screaming. Go white everywhere. Michigan state's feel good about your chances. Yeah. You know, Texas that looks like a really good team. They are they gotta play Texas, but Connor. Brought up a great point. This is in Minneapolis big ten country a lot of fans from embassy will travel for that, Texas Tech. They haven't been there in the while. I assume they'll travel right, Patrick, Mahomes, Patty, Mahomes, and definitely meet. I saw him tweeted. Well, if cliff Kingsbury goes, I mean, they got no shot. I mean. Cliff king, very not very good, Texas Tech. But he was the first round draft pick the NFL. I mean, he got plucked out of college system to go. I mean that cone up early. So he's at Texas Tech rep, the only the only thing Michigan Saket hope to answer with 'em foxy. Oh, you know. The fact that you actually said like I didn't come to life until after they won that game is actually the most true thing ever. There was true. Yeah. Inner I. This morning. Part that partner Monday morning, FOX unbeliev-. I didn't know it was that noticeable. How alive I became though. Yeah. You came back to life. It was a big moment. 'cause nobody on earth thought it was going to happen. No one on earth. How did they lose? Kenny goings was the guy that made the go head shot walk on and gardens. I on the whole time kind of a cool little story there. I think is going to be better when it gets out of touch cases. I agree. Actually, it'd be better than site for him. Go to the NBA them just kind of let them learn his game calling Callard said that he would trade right now. Lebron for zone. Zion. By the way, not a bad thing has LeBron's on a plan. So I. Lebron getting bench for the rest of the season. I'll be excited to see how he bounces back. He literally just take a mental vacation. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it was just a complete mental vacation LeBron just decided to you know, what I'm in Los Angeles. When we started with this team. Maybe we're going to be good this year. You know, we brought in a couple of people that I had in my history that hey, Lance, Stephen simply good defense against me. Maybe we'll be able to take a shot this year since we didn't land any other big names. We'll bring in old Rondo he'll do some shit. Lonzo ball's dad, we'll tell him shut the fuck up. This will LeBron's said at the beginning. We're going to be a good team. I'm gonna be able to put this team on my back. I'm able to enjoy myself. Now, he was coming from Cleveland he'd done this in Miami before Dwayne Wade on team though who wanted to very much win right now. I am Bauch was a decision to go there, and we're gonna win. Now. It wasn't a question work, which LA was a question. First time ever people are very questionable of a LeBron doesn't. With this team. He's unbelievable. They've said that every year he goes by the outside of the Miami teams. They said he gets out to LA though after living in Cleveland for your. Hey, I love dogs. When you go to LA, you you literally get there. You're like this place is fucking unbelievable. The weather is perfect every single day. It is a perfect day outside. You know, when you go outside, and there's a little bit of sunny like this feels good. It's every single, you know, whenever the rain comes. And there's snow you like what one cuddle up watch a movie, maybe taking nap. That's what you say that LA that is I love naps. I'm cuddle up guy. But as soon as that sun comes up on probably going outside to do some LA is vacation every single day your life. Lebron gets there. They start to suck. They're not winning. He looks in. Everyone of their is in the locker room ago, note way, got it this year, he starts hammering wine, hammering tequila and just decide you want working my ass off like the last thirteen years. This one's going to be for me. I'm gonna take a break this year. I'm gonna show up drunk to games. I'm gonna play Trump. It's going to be an LA fitness like motherfucking game. I am play drunk a couple of games in the next year. Coming off this big break. I think the NBA's in trouble. This guy is taking an actual break for the first time in a long, those is I'm usually last person's thing for this guy. Probably deserves brain straight final am not even at seventy. Five different TV shows that he is executive produced not on the internet on NBC CBS H B O. This guy has shows on their everywhere everywhere. This guy does every Bill school. Oh, yeah. Built a school bought a question on the money where the mushy gave a lot of a lot of questions on the money. But at least eight good vision, though, he's still his vision to do it. This guy's been great for a long time. He saw that. He was going to suck. He's like it wasn't LA all win the next year. I'm just gonna take one off. I think he's drunk. I think he's drunk just like it's a vacation for you. And I I think he's just enjoying offseason. A jets. Yes. Check into some slow know, he'll disappear. Go to he'll go to zero Braun thirty or. Yeah. In the offseason. Listen you guys all saw Dohrn two regular season. I was my offseason. Now, they're going to get back in the actual basketball playing games where I can't just let a ball roll down the court completely and just about road down the court pick it up about halfway through a quarter full shot clock out there and just as without even looking for anybody else as soon as I picked up just Huck it up above fucking brick or maybe to stand in the corner act like ahead of fate on a guy threw up an air ball or shoot near bought a free throw because I'm the world's greatest basketball. I'm gonna shoot a free throw Airbus because this is Ellie fitness. And I don't give fuck right now. I'm on vacation. And that's what he's doing. But I think Xilin is gonna come in and win over a lot of people in ESPN things on gonna win over ESPN, which LeBron has had as his everything. Yes. Back along entire career traveling around. Yes, Maine entire but now zones is shiny new toy this guy. Can't he's doing her and eighty pounds. He can jump. Hit his head off the back moored zion's gonna help the NBA the ladies or not like bring them down any more. Oh, yeah. You mean like when he snapped Jetsons? No new ones came out since the last couple shame. He's not gonna trust anybody. Forever. Zahn Williamson is not gonna be able to this is like no one can anymore. I don't think anybody can if you ever plan on being anything you can't. But this is like the child star syndrome thing, which was I, but this is the internet version of it because he's been famous for so long. He doing what he texted a girl like come over something, and she's screen shot in some dude was like, oh, God them, not really. I don't think you've got him at all. He's an eighteen year old kid who's a star. He's in college. And I'm gonna guess he was a tempting to have sexual relations. Who was he did have such? What's love though, lays looking for long? I would assume zounds looking. For love just like everybody is. But he can't even do that anymore. It's unbelievable. I'd bet that this is the best guess very done. That's what I would do bet that I'd better one site one side alone. That's my bookie dot AG. You can gamble on everything there and to the lay basketball fun fours happening. God Beto Michigan state. We told you earlier go read action network with that earlier. They're probably going to go on them. You wanna bet on hockey good? But oh hockey how is Ocoee neck the best pet. That's hockey talk about on hockey. You can bet on politics. Reality TV you can bet on anything in my book dot AG. And that's why it's the greatest sports gambling site on earth. You use promo code Pat right now, you get a fifty percent bonus on your first deposit up two thousand dollars. Yep. Fifty percent bonus ELO that's like hitting a scratch off. I wanted fifty percent of the money. 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You just signed a lifetime contract leaseback respect. I see no way that could go wrong. This is like the I don't wanna say Jim tressel. Maybe like Jim tressel was Jim tressel forced out because the tattoos. I think so so it's not like the role. It's not like Jim tressel. Then it's like Joe paternal. This is Joe Paterno Lasko. But it was. Yeah. But without the Sandusky who was like he refused to stuff coaching like what if Calipari just refuses to stop at some point. Maybe he's got like seven eight different scandals underneath his belt at this point. And it's not that big of a deal anymore. Those couple of game suspensions. He's again. I don't I still go. Gee, you guys on delighted to lifetime, bro until death. Do us part. I'm not fucking leaving. Good for him getting that deal. Coach K I understand he's well revered in his teams have always been damned. Good. And he's the most successful best book coach aside for that guy from uconn women's basketball team, I understand all that stuff. But I feel you got Zion Williamson on your team playing against a bunch of them flocks. He's out there. You cannot lose. You cannot lose. Agree with this was was I on off like a bag. You know, I think is oh is oh just outcoached him. Like, it comes down to is tough. Right. The one that said this too. I am in the three games. They lost this year didn't touch the ball in the last minute. And that's all coaching this reminds oh boy. Neighbors just bang them thing they're not happy by WWE people to be honest flooding in. Oh, yeah. They could be arriving. It's definitely they will show floor to down here. This is just me and the road. He's good people though, people purdue's coach painter Corson Edwards had one of the most ridiculous basketball games. I've ever seen at any level NBA Harlem, Globetrotters, and one basketball high school basketball NCWA that was some of the most impressive basketball. I've ever seen in. Then they for some reason painter decided for like a couple of series to take the ball out of his hands. And throw it down inside like slow the game down. It's like yo-. I I've I don't know if you've seen the video game coach painter, but when Emma fucking fires on the ball, you can throw shit from anywhere. Hey cars through from anywhere. He was in step back NBA threes that look like reading blocked eat a Bank. He had a Bank at one point that, you know, you don't why would a miss a Bank, and that is a wild miss way too strong way to off and that fell as soon as that happens coach painter Sherman like all right? We're on. We're just gonna go ahead and get you out for guys. Just go ahead to stand off to the fuck inside. Of course, do whatever you got to do. 'cause that was an incredible run. A lot of people say made a lot of money out of soom. So I soon that's l people make money, right? He's have a big March madness shows a Steph curry ask around like curry blew up in March when he got big really he didn't have a big. He was the first player sent Steph curry to win most outstanding player of his region for losing team. So that hasn't happened in ten years or two thousand eight I think he's just a baller straight ice cold killer that guy he just had to and his people are Joe. With them to which I respect he seems like he's pretty cool. Calm understood the situation. But man, I've never felt that way on a basketball court before like I that has to be a lot of fun when you can just fucking closure is inches Huck thing. And it's gonna fall that has to be a cool feeling for you. Absolutely. It good for him there. Ryan Klein nice run for the kid. I was Louis. I run for the kid. I enjoyed watching Purdue fun team. I produced people because I tweeted about it. They're like, oh, you're gonna be bandwagon fan. I was like, yeah. Yes, man. I don't know. I don't watch college basketball. I'm really impressed. By purdue. I told me that I think are Purdue fans as well. So I'm going to definitely let them know that. Hey, what I just saw was fucking awesome. That was an awesome game. Right. Hey, man. You want me to root for your team or not? All right. No. But it's not even about that. Is he came right after my fan hood like that real question was like, yeah. I'm not like, listen, I'm gonna let you know. Right to your right now. I wish I could crawl through his goddamn Twitter. Zero characters actually, let's make it to characters you and me a me at you say dog like I'm WVU fan. You this coach Bob Huggins going eight nine you is real fucking g and they used to win a lot the last year. And that's where I went to school. I'm WVU fan. But I'll tell you what Purdue. Congratulations user came number two. Here. But I'll tell you what if I run next year. Guess what you amber do next year? Guess what I'm fan of both teams. Let's go. I like the state of Indiana be unhappy. There you go. But I like basketball Carson was doing was fucking awesome. Yeah. I like to man Dan dockage big fan of their team to I heard him hyping them up. If we go back to his interview on this show. How did he do Yale miss? I know that that was number one. I think I think everybody a lot wrong, right? This is a great year for the book. Lang just got crushed says tie who just check the stat sheet. That's very good. I feel like there was a lot of losing gamblers this year in March madness. I think so is that a standard thing. I mean, it's to be a winner in March happens over your everyone broke and posted. I'm not talking about that though, I'm talking about sports gambling. Well, I think that's the thing is that every year people are looking to bet on that underdog and see who's going to win. But this year was all chock. I mean, it was high seeds going out, really. And then everything changed here at the end at the elite eight so it literally ran how they thought it was going to run in them. When all the big money is on the line for the by the way. As the guy who thinks the student human athletes should be student human. Let's figure out some way to be paid athletes. That's a real shame. That the Duke is an in. And that the ratings might not be as high. It's a real shame that Zion. Bring extra ten fifteen million viewers just strictly because he's because the student humans that are competing. They won the game fair and square. So it's a real shame that fifteen twenty maybe thirty million less. People will be watching for the TV is a chance to have Duke North Carolina Kentucky, Michigan stay on there. They only got just through Michigan state in their program. It only got one of them Zayn isn't come back. What's he got another month or two classes? Does he have to ride that? Oh, no, you're done sealer. What are we talking about? I don't know. I don't know the NBA draft rules does he actually have to show up for Ben Simmons when too I think three classes. Yeah. I can't knock them in soon as football season was over up done. She was was declared eligible for that senior bowl. There were like, maybe you think this last semester in graduate. Maybe maybe maybe. Or maybe not. They're also nice every all my life counselors that. I went through because there's different counselors for communications, and for this sociology school and all these things man, they were also nice, and they tried so hard. They did L tried so hard to motivate me to go to all these classes. Just don't know. How people do it. I don't know. How people do the classes guy at the airport who's an architect. He went to nine years of schooling to be an architect that he is. And then three years of internship or something like that like twelve years of learning on. Did you want magin being that committed? That would be awesome. I don't even know how you'd I'd be a pianist for sure. I would I would fuck it be a pianist for sure 'cause you're gonna study up for a long time for you could I would be pianist thing all over down forget hard to probably that type of thing. But how do you stay committed? We need them. Obviously, we need people. I can do that. I just don't understand their brains. That can do Zito died. He doesn't know. Does even know we're talking about architects. Imagine imagine somebody who is who is who was Zito of the friend group, but he went to twelve years of schooling to become a professional something Z. What's that? A smart Z smart zt heels e puns, eat regular Z road trips fees. Oh, yeah. PD? Multiple personality disorder. Yep. That's what did you. Do you watch one Dr Phil clip on Instagram? Though. That's really what it sounded like. You watch the Dr Phillips by the way, Dr Phil on Instagram. He doesn't say this fall. Yeah. Duck feels his script. He did April fills day, which by the way, I am in on April fills days because see if o Phil could get it on April Fools days. And I'm all about it stays APRIL's. These were out. I'm in on April. Fools news. Nipsy also recipes man. Yeah. That's a crazy thing just out of nowhere in two thousand nineteen famous ravages gets gunned down right in front of his store. There was a shooting at his funeral. No way into a couple people got hit by cars trying to flee. Yeah. Just read about it. That's insane. Okay. We just talked about people that can study for twelve hours or or for twelve years to do something thing about the people that can show up if you're with a gun and just like, yeah. I'm gonna go shoot. Somebody for sure I'm gonna go shoot somebody for sure. I'm guessing it was I'm almost positive gang related violence. Just because he was big trying to like find a way to like make their communities safer. Like, I think I saw tweet that said he was supposed to meet with some legislators the next day to talk about like cleaning up the area. Bad terrible. I saw video on Instagram live. I send it to you guys. So the guy who said he did it. Yeah. I have no idea if that's true or not we we we got in DC very late. So I got to actually watch the entire nipsy hustle press. Almost go through all the way through the night. And there's this one I g live video that started where occas he was just yelling at the camera saying he just did it and he's on the run. I'll be excited to see. If it's guy were if the if that becomes a thing that's very dumb, by the way. If you millennials just start taking credit for murders and stuff like a terrorist group with the fucker. You guys do I it's it's the April Fools day stuff. All you're saying. As before April March. I know I'm the same situation though. How April Fools day is slowly decided to be terrible people have decided to know what maybe when people die. I'll go ahead and take credit for it. Get some clout. Oh my God. That's what terrorist groups used to do really scriptures to do that. That makes sense. Oh, I can't believe it happened though. He seemed to be tight with everybody. Everybody. I followed had some sort of connection with nipsy hustle. And it was like that's insane. To me. That's very crazy to me. Good for him. I mean, not confirm that he'd die, but good for him live in a life that really affected something awesome. You know? That's sad. I didn't know about him. I like to study up on artists and stuff. It wasn't a huge fan. But like he was like real tech savvy opening up stem cells her and all kinds of stuff. Really smart. He was way beyond just the music lost good guy. He was at Texas Tech game to night before cheering on Texas Tech cut down the them nets while rest. Impeach the nipsy hustle. I never met him. But people that I have met that have met him say nothing great things. So it's. I wish I would've been reston beasts anything else opened in the world. I don't think so tiger. Oh tires back, by the way, tiger that that little underneath the bushes. Takes inverted wedge underneath the bushes. By the way, I enjoyed calling the Gulf some people's are tweeting McAfee for master's. Oh, I mean, I I didn't I didn't look at them and go oh. I. No. That'd be the time. If they have like a booger mobile rolling around that go golfing rolling around not golf course, we had me like on my own little booger mobile on. I think that's one. We're not going to get. Maybe even just do like a par-five with Pat. What happened they they just let a lady in custody. Like fucking morose. Godly rosa. News. Well, steamed black lady onto it was two years ago. They let a lady, yeah. It's still like tiger plays there. Could you imagine if I was fucking rolling around on booger? Mobile fucking ruining the. PGA would be so mad. So you like pulling up next to the caddy and the golfer just. Let's let's remember things whenever we tweet him Sako. Let's not let's not be outrageous. You know, that would be awesome. Maybe we do all -rageous then people say McAfee for twenty twenty there whenever we walked out on the capital just know this. I'm not the right guy to be into politics world. I learned that today very much the amount of paperwork. It's happening. Everybody just said about all those counselors aren't talking to go classes that's every day. He's working his ass off. Congressman Anthony Gonzales is working his ass off over the anti staff is working there azoff. There's a lot of to be read here. It's crazy nothing really happens in DC nothing ever, really happens. It's always normally just negative drama. There's a lot of reading writing happens fucking. It's literally just like today who you? Oh, yeah. I think you'd be great door got oh great door guy. But really thirty page papers. No way go past clues. Thirty. I don't think it's thirty pages. I think it was like forty eight fifty showed us that. That was like thirty. I was lacking not do that a whole magazine. Yeah. Magazine. I could. You ever used to read like villa straits? Let your. Let your thought of thirty Bates. Yes. Do you? Do you do you scroll through Twitter off today? Not on pictures. This picture the elsia. Big time big time, Instagram guy. There's two well. Yeah. Kind of. Zita your special, ma'am? It's a lot of work, though, political world is great. So let's not let's not push that. But anything else I mean, let's give me into masters big time. Give me on a hover board out there. Maybe just rolling around. Oh. Give me like big wheel. One maybe gas the whole hover board hovercraft thing is not been integrated as more societies should have our board. It's like everybody on earth turned against it. Like news, people are blowing fire how many like one there's more more than a few. That's the ones you saw this. It's just like planes that you're about there's thousands of planes taking off right now at this moment, there's literally thousand points, if you won't hear about any of them successfully landing, but they the PR turned against us over the scooter you see what happened. Or now sounds buys because Mike Tyson takes a spill on that thing. That's a front. Headline news everywhere is dangerous scooters on. Then he got parents looking at their little white kids are like, Mike Tyson. Getting you you on coordinated fucking kid, you guessed chance, and there's a chance to catch on fire. What a good PR spin by lobby much better than the overboard lobby, but the hover boards are awesome. I I mean, I ride one on. Oh, yeah. Pretty regular basis. Bubba Watson has like a hover golf cart. Maybe they can just in that thing you can like fucking go right over the water and shit on it. Maybe I get like a topgun helmet. I come in hot. I'm flying down like they're like oh. They're about to. Like they have to take a break. And maybe there's even like a sound that goes off like he and his hovercraft are coming down fairway eight now and everybody just kinda clears the way. Yeah. It's all and if I hit every slalom monies donated now, we're talking about so now it turns into a action packed hovercraft race random races and golf. Now. We're talking about action and precision for charity did four chairing the kids minimum absolute lease maybe like a fan boat out on the water in give me a little path track. Yeah. Maybe if there's an island like for instance, TPC I do laps around thing. Like, it's like, if it's a putt putt. Course, I have like a big stick that. I just drive around and like whenever they tee off. They got time it up. I'm fucking. I'm gonna kill you clown. That's me on fucking harbor. Fixing golf like. Welcome. I mean, you can call us you want. Through on seven eight six seven five three zero nine giving a call. We will love to come golf for you recipes come up as weekend. It's called three three women were arrested at Monday. I can't believe arrested in the modem. The bill. Hey, if I'm in my full wrestling garb like, hey, cops t-shirt going to jail cover up a little point. Granted I did get arrested with not shirt. So maybe that's why I'm so like you need a t-shirt for jail shirt a war. Speaking of getting arrested when we were at the airport. This girl watched by us and looks at Pat and goes, oh, hey, that's the don't get arrested game. Just how to get that in there. Remember that it's either she our friend, Brian t-shirt. My cousin has has a shirt with his face on don't get arrest. That's marketing for us, by the way, I think Zito is insinuating though that foxy was still in a blackout drunk. Which you were about twenty two hour bender. Shame. Anything else happened? What was in that city come city or come Tom to come on yoakum? You'll come town to come on. Close. Town. It was a great time. I mean, I'm enjoying this. A lot ties not going to get the bed to lease for a which is it's twelve forty seven right now. Neighbors are banging on the thing. I soon we've kept some very important people up, and we're the bad guys. But you know, at the road hawks are rebels. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Without a cost. There's a possible. RV towed. We loved it out. Their blinkers are on though, you leave the blinkers on. It's basically like you're just coming back, and they don't know during the blinkers off. The dumbest. I was thinking trysofi trying to save a general. His home for the nights better over the week. I'm just saying you got no beds. If you're not sleeping in their tonight. Actually, all these nights of living in a rat infested, crooked condemn -able. Fucking house have paid off because Zito and Connor sleeping in a RV for this entire week with zero heat in the weather has decided to drop below freezing every night, thus for also wrestlemainia supposed to be very so that kind of interrupts what the costume. I had at Macy's was going to go for so now, we're in a real Kerr bungles should Kerr crossroads Karaz throats. Yeah. A real crusher. There's cursing risis. No. There's a floral say. Gonna say that sounds right. That sounds awesome. For fossil is a commotion or fuss. Is this gonna cause kerfuffle? Yeah. Yeah. I think so I don't know where else. Pretty vitamin. You guys are living with no, oh, the my wrestlemainia shit. Yes. Yeah. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna do. If anything you don't watch let's say, you don't watch wrestlemainia watch the pre show 'cause you're gonna see me in a terrible position. I mean the terrible position. It's gonna be live it I'm gonna be standing on the wrestlemania stage. I'm not on the set. They don't have me on the set. They'll be on the stage substandard on the stage in the middle of MetLife stadium. It a bad spot year road hawk. You'll wrote the punch. What was I on the speakers Bobby today? Yeah. Without sleeves. Was I in some mega mentioned had like forty five statues tonight. Check man, I can handle live TV and a terrible fucking godawful spot. Godawful can handle that you ate a slice of pizza with an entire bottle of hot sauce on? I think you'll be fine. Okay. By the way, I am on a key to diet. But there was pizza there. And it was the only thing we could eat literally for like a few hours. I was dying. Buffalo sauce on Beata. Even if you have prepa ruining on it and just a regular if you just add buffalo sauce to any pizza. That was delicious. I've never had that before. Sure. All right. That's. Something just got lit up because Connors in it. If you can get the exact words Connor center, we'll give you a thousand dollars. The show store. That's hashtag getting endgame. What did Connor say that we had to edit out? Right. There is one AM things are getting loose. But this conversation about to hear from me in an old friend of mine. The most hated man in the WWE bearing Corbin I think you're gonna enjoy it. So what were you saying? There's a little kid what six Ewell I've never seen. The can't get more to start than whenever you're music aren't due to a lot of people. I had one. There was leading the fro had not tonight. There was really screaming. You get sped onto these spit on you. I don't I don't get that close. We just did West Virginia. So you know about that. People. No, I think it was in West Virginia one of my favorite things ever from live of it. Was this old man was giving me the double bird just he was I'm talking eighty five years old, okay, Dover. And he his wife was in a wheelchair. He was wearing overalls. His wife was holding the back of his overalls like this with both hands. And he's trying to get through the chairs to me at the rail. And it's pulling her long in the wheelchair could not laughing auks. Yes, he knocked over like three chairs trying to get to me and his wife was just hold on his overalls rolling around a wheelchair. Phenomenal boys. Tied down or one. Xbox fall cry on camera. Xbox. Always do a little streaming. Free stream on mixer. Breath. Right. Think we're making it through. Don't you watch like, MS? Yeah. It was just talking to me earlier. I did walk today. You should draw the trash why? Because it's just not cool. This is this is Fisher gold bracelet on those. Tech. Somebody just by talking secret agent. Yeah. So you became GM addressed up. You have nothing. You're and you leave the GM ship got fired. Rainy on town there. Well. Nope yet. I just got fired. It's it was it was a fun moment while lasted though, because I was in the ring with Vince, Stephanie, Shane and hunter like. Like. Yeah. It doesn't get any bigger. I have a picture it's nominal. And the craziest part was like, you know, we're gonna go out there and say what we're going to say. And the crowd was so loud at booing me and Channing fire me that we couldn't even say anything. He was crazy. So everything you were supposed to get fired quicker because the crown no was it was supposed to be just a whole thing and for seven or eight minutes. It was just deafening booze. Yeah. You are hated. That's why fired me do you love being hidden for do. It seems like letroy break. Now, we're gonna crash. Don't crash into my rental car. Told you got there. Just got harder travel with cool hats. It is very very difficult. I we're talking about your entrance. Awesome. That's that song as Tommy bad wool. You part of the producing that guess very hands on I thought because you had another song. Not so great. Yes. And there was like generic track. And then you give the friend will they they tried to do like three or four more songs and the best part was like. Vince hated them all too. And it's so scary. Because I remember one time me I was on the stage and they played the track. Can I heard it? And I think this is so funny doesn't capsule horrible. Are you like it? Carrie immediately, flip because you any harm just mess with. I was about to start crying would have been would have been stuck with. It would have been so bad so bad just miserable guy a three piece suit hated by everybody when terrible news. Yeah. That's all bad. But I think that like I need my music for a love good music. So. Right. It's it's not even close. But we'll go with it. You're learning. What aren't aren't my shirt yet? Ooh. Ooh. Somebody go to my bag. You can't wear right now. No. This is no I want a major outlet. I want you to be on USA where the major outlets not a major. This later pros. The free go, please. And the top of my opened up by it. Or did you get it for three bought it? You see your face you lack? I did not do that out by that anybody. Anybody born? Where'd you in cash? Would you buy that in effect? From the free throw sold at the did the one I went to throw it. Louis. I did by shirt. I have already insured by. You. We sneak out of bed. We had to make somebody. I bought so much Bill, but they do haven't quicken. If I wanted to wear it for this week. Bleak. Nothing could make it. I. So I made it made it myself do not you. I just want jurors often put it on the virtuous. Oh, yeah. A little bit. That's all you win your shirt tonight. Trying to sell. Us guys that everybody as we don't do real good. That's Saint shirts because you never wear on. No. But also if you hate somebody, why would you buy the t-shirt people hate people before they love? Right. Big guys big turned heel right here for sure but anytime change a little bit. And I mean, I've been hated for like five years now have I think you're really starting to find your in the hated world. Yeah. Yeah. I'm deep as you go excuse me. You have the wheel. Getting the wheel your. What he's going to be a little bit more can crap wheel. Doing like twenty five fifty. The gray on where did we get this thing? Wrong side. Need to be in a red light. The NBA on your tree, you're already drifting into this camera technology. Are you driving anymore? You just said, no. Hit you cut the sleeves up. Favor gives her green light thirty. Shoe quite panicky moments. Maybe one day you'll feel. Got you here. You're not going to stop this. This. Good. Good. Doing this agreement. Let's kiss many forced me. New England lost a bet. It's fair square. When you travel. Games on the time. No, I mean. My keeps her pretty similar schedule. Every week. You know, it's. Lamb for breakfast for white breakfast show. The GM go find food for the rest of the day usually to get to the show. That's like typical Friday, and then based on how fly was travel. I'll either drive the night after the show. We're all play video games till the morning because we stream this week's sweets. That's right. I go around the world and go to like. Churches. I've gone back wanna Mahler believes in these caves. Trip your your fiancee. I know we won't take any helicopters or have been our next to a waterfall. But some really fun stuff and believe stupid. Second-largest corley in you've been there geography mowing spring than question really shown OB Jarvi got the vote everything Jody there, West Virginia. Valedictorian. So do you seek out places? Yeah. Got an happen. A book. Creepy sites here. That's really what it does. Let's go to this. Weird things. But we don't you. Dot com or. Youtube me gone does. Anything me breeze spirits? A little more. Take your point ahead with. Have you been driving? Oh, yes. Stroman. How far drive? They throw free now. Flu. Due drove or flu. It's works. Bharti almost met said back home. Oh you day since. He'll listen even making here we had a layover in Charlotte. Good over from Sean. Why our bender yesterday showed up just fucking miserable. Terrible book like talk shit power. He's playing Heathrow. That's right. But how are you ever? I know I know very difficult. But he has he has to edit every. Literally all night editing show like out of everybody in the group. He's dealing on. The can't be doing Burkhard and he was pulled blind ripple. We make felt real broad really Trey was it. Our bendery's. Do you? Remember the bar? We used to always go to when I was a v. Yeah. And. Do you? Remember all the times that we went in there, and they don't reserve seats. And so they would always reserve tables. I it was eight of us. We always went there. Every time we went out. Nice at everybody knew that we were somebody but couldn't figure girl rookies. Correct. So the game was who can get away with the best story of what they do. Josh. Name. He's told her a girl that he wanted ten thousand dollar lottery chicken scratch off stretch had been living off in it for five years. Yes. That one was sages money. He said I hit a scratch off spent. I've stretched from five great plan. I think you had one you were at nursing school drop-out became a fry cook it, then he's our computer sales. They're also align chef line, chef thank you at Saint. We had another good one. I think I I got away with one then I was eight Hampshire hockey goalie for awhile. Indie feel. Good. All right. I take a lot of space. Much as you used to. Your body transformation is processed crazy. Right. It is. Really thirty. Real thirty when I left there Zona, I was three thirty. Now about two seventy issue run into why so careful like I was so big for so long that it stretches your skin get to small. My skin's not get to get that surgery. Then I went and look at me badminton ever need it. I'm Reid terribly. How much weight will you loose this real down? Is it a challenge every time? No. Finding what works are the the challenge. I, unfortunately, I've through my body with over the years of like plan football to eat all those cards, and then I have to have like ten thousand calories as you're eating like mozzarella, sticks pizza Subba debts. Try to give you extra calories to gain weight. So now. Car provide even oh, yes, go time. Like, let's keep big again. And it goes through quick. So I just kind of have to figure out where my balance. Sorry about that boys. Too. Funny. Than fire. Vince like, you loves me. I think I mean. Vinci's of may any of messes with you. They give me like she like, he's almost hurt me where I wasn't paid attention any body. Check me. I was into this mirror and even gone for out. But I was ready to fight turned around legit ready to fight, and I can just hear them laugh on the other side of the curtain, and then other times I was saying one time my shirt off, and he just walked up and slapping the bag is hard to turn. Tournament ready to fight to he's just laughing. How do you handle that? Like chops hurt very bad. Right. Shares to the back hurts very petty girl. I don't like anything with that smacking sensation painted. Just don't like. So I hate being charms. People chart, you just know because. A good one. I'm not gonna play games. He's a lot of that indirect. Sometimes for me. Got to be other still competition where you're gonna have fun. You still want? Everybody crowd love every second of it. So it's not necessarily game. But you gotta enjoy. Yeah. Yes. I don't like cherry there because it gives us smacking situation. Bad giving a chair. Of course. I don't I I never ever throw jobs because I don't like. That's what was. 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5 Local Stories Plus One Of Detroit's Oldest Houses Is Moving Across The City

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5 Local Stories Plus One Of Detroit's Oldest Houses Is Moving Across The City

"Today what to know around to drink plus checking in on the move of one of Detroit's. Houses. Hello and welcome to your daily Detroit for Monday, June twenty second twenty, twenty, I'm Jerry stays look. Let's just get started. Overall? The state's corona virus numbers look good, but the picture isn't all rosy Sunday. The state reported one hundred and forty-six new confirmed cases of COVID, nineteen and three deaths that brings the total number of cases to more than sixty, one, thousand, two hundred and fatalities, exceeding fifty, eight hundred, but a key number to look at an early warning sign is the spread rate of virus or our number. If it's below one, it's slowing down if it's above one, it's picking up the state's effective reproduction rate as of this recording is. Is Now one point one one that takes into account both confirmed and probable cases of Covid nineteen, and is up from a number down in the point eight. Now that's to a degree expected as we've reopened large parts of the economy, and it's something to watch to see if it goes really up, but the bottom line. The virus is still out there. Of course, we're here to set you up with stuff to know so. We'll have a segment with Dr Paul Thomas later this week about the best practices around wearing masks. The New York Times has a piece out around aerial surveillance and protesters and Detroit is the city where the most of it happened. The federal government's air and Marine Operations, a branch of Customs and Border Protection deployed a S., three fifty helicopters and conducted fifty eight hours of surveillance over the city. The program is usually used to monitor the border for smuggling trafficking and other issues, but the technology was turned on US citizens as protests happened across the nation in the wake of what happened with George Floyd. There were fifteen us cities where the aerial surveillance happened. The Times reports that the video was fed into a digital network managed by the Federal Government's homeland security. Department that's called big pipe data from big pipe can be used by other federal agencies and local police departments for use in future investigations. I will put a link to the full story in the show notes. Starting today passes are required for state parks across Michigan. Access to the park's has been free in the shadow of the pandemic to limit person to person contact between visitors and staff. This will include Bell Island Detroit as well as more than one hundred around the state. The year long recreation passes can be purchased when you renew your license plate for twelve bucks or at the park gate for seventeen bucks. There are higher prices for those coming from out of state. At the same time, the state is now allowing camping overnight lodging facilities and day use shelters that also had been put on pause due to the pandemic. Out mccomb county, the mccomb daily reports that construction has begun on the long-awaited chick-fil-a in shelby township. There's infrastructure work happening at hall road and Shannon was city officials. Hoping it gets done quote as soon as possible unquote. There is no firm timetable on completion. The controversial chicken chains foundation has donated in the past anti lgbt groups and is closed on Sundays for religious reasons, however, it remains a wildly popular and has one of America's fastest growing restaurants. mccomb county is getting another chick-fil-a at Moco Mall and there's no word on the progress of that project. I will put a link to all of this in the shouts. The next one files under deals and steals as opposed newsworthy, but we know a lot of listeners have wanted to try this place out, so I thought I'd mention it. The hotel in downtown Detroit reopened today. And if you're an essential worker and you're looking for a fancy stay on the cheap I, guess there's a deal for you. Though tell has a new essential stays for essential workers package with a one night VIP experience for ninety. Nine Bucks. This package includes a den room breakfast for two from a menu by James, Beard Award, winning chef and restaurant her. Her Andrew Carmelina Shinola. Journal and what they're calling VIP amenities. This is normally like three hundred bucks, or so, so if you're looking for a deal on the cheap and good staying in a hotel right now, which I know isn't everybody. Check it out. There isn't a place to book this online you got call them at three, one, three, three, five, six fourteen o one. That's three, one, three, three, five, six, four, zero, one of course I will include that Info in the show notes so that you can find it if you want to try this out. A quick reminder that it's our listeners at power daily Detroit through these economic times things to our most recent supporters, emily and Robin Vincent and Keith. We stickers coming and much more also if he can. If you can do, you can join them as a member at Petri on dot com slash daily Detroit. We do exclusive updates. They are all kinds of stuff like that and thank you so much now let's step back in time to a story that began in the eighteen forties. Ulysses grant was probably the first great general. General of the modern era of warfare, and his leadership was integral to winning the civil war for the Union grant. Our eighteenth president was one of those people who can't be understood in tweet. He was a man of contradictions who wrestled with many of the questions of his time as he went from being a tanner to occupying the White House. He's one of the Americans. Who has had an impact on our nation that we still feel today, and you might not know that for a time. He live right here in Detroit. Even more house. He lived in an eighteen, forty nine, and was built in eighteen, thirty seven. It's still stands. It's one of the oldest buildings in the city, and it's in the process of getting another lease on life. Joining me on the line to learn more is Sandra Clark Director of the Michigan Historical Center they worked to discover preserve and share the stories of Michigan. So what has been the state of the House over the? Last few years or decades, because it seems like it's been kind of in media, obscurity for Awhile and the nineteen thirties, it was moved to the state grounds. And for quite a while and the Detroit, Stoorikhel society would open it at least during state fair time to visitors that started to fade by the time. I really started knowing anything about it to become another place to put things on the State Fair grounds, but not a public building anymore and we got really got involved with when the state fairgrounds were closed. Because at that point, our historical commission became concerned about its potential survival. We'd already lost the soap to fire so. That's kind of two historic pieces on the state fairgrounds. By that time that it had been taken care of on the exterior, but it was not a public place anymore. So what about the grant house called to you to get involved? My Commission other thought it was important to get involved, but I think there is always a bit of romance and pride attached with home of former presidents of this country. So that is somewhat the attraction and I think the particular person who live there it. It's an interesting situation because they don't live there for very long, and it's very early and grants career I. Think the thing that really got me sold that we gotta pay attention. Is a picture that we found. We were doing research of the house when grant died, and it was draped in mourning, it had black draping in. Ted You know red, white and blue on ANA and grant home. And it really said to me that the People Detroit didn't forget that this man had lived in this. House I was GONNA. Say you know grant is the kind of character that you know for the years right? After the civil war into his presidency and his death, he was revered by many but times for a while change during the turn of the century and grants contributions were kind of minimized by those who kind. Kind of wanted to revise the story of the civil war and I don't think people realize just how important grant was and just how his death struck the country. It was something where I recently saw photos and things of it. It was just mind blowing I. mean it's bigger than I. Think any president that I've seen celebrations. Celebrations for I was just. It was something that I hadn't had connection to until I. I started researching before. We you know we're going to do this conversation. Yeah, and I wouldn't say greater than because of course we had Lincoln staff some of US remember JFK stuff, but but yes, it was he come back to Detroit a couple of times spoken publicly I think what what got lost for a while the history and the history. We all learned we. We learned about grant as a great general who was? Was Instrumental to winning the civil war for the north. We learned that he didn't graduate very high in his class at West. Point but we didn't learn how few people that he entered West Point with even graduated, and we didn't learn about his role during reconstruction, and he was a believer in equality, or at least a much more of a believer than many people, and so we. We really never honored his presidency. And in fact, he established the first national park of. The National Park System. And he established the second. National Park. which just happened to be mackinac island? necking island did not stay national park, but kind of was a national park, and it was established by Louis assessed grant when he was president. So you know we we forgot a lot. Or we ignore it or whatever. Of what he did after the civil war, and it was really important. That makes him to me much more interesting. I think he has a lot more to say to us. In this day and age. Because of that large span, the thing that I found out like you I I've come to this gradually vital bits and pieces. He grew up in the. Same area as John. Brown the harpers ferry. His father actually worked for John Brown's father interesting, so he grew up in an abolitionist family. Well and grant has such a complicated backstory, especially in his early years and part of those early years were spent in Detroit. I think that's one of the reasons why I'm a drawn to the story of grant because he he seems like the kind of person who went through a story that a lot of. Of Us do where there are changes. There's evolutions. There's finding more about oneself as you go on and multiple forces pulling at him You know you look at I? mean the fact was. Is that grant for Awhile? Did own a a slave that was from his wife, but he freed that slave at a time when it was a huge personal sacrifices, far as wealth, and it was part of his. His journey, and then as president, he was the first one to kind of run out the first round of the KKK in actually flood them out with with cavalry, a very politically controversial decision at the time today we'd be like, of course you'd want to stand up to that. But at the time he got pilloried in the press for it Yeah, yeah, exactly and I think that complexity life makes. Makes him very relevant person for us to be talking about it anytime. They said that you know it's intriguing that we have a building that was home to a president of the United States on the other hand are I challenged, was obviously to say that. Find a safe place for it to live for many more years but then the next challenge is to figure out exactly how we program it. Because as an institution. We're not looking to build a historic house museum. And try to refurbish this like the grants lived in it in eighteen, forty, nine, eighteen fifty. We want to figure out a way that it can a much bigger role in community conversation community gathering based in grant's life based on the history of Detroit that this House has survived through for a rather small everyday house to have survived Detroit. Until now is a bit of an accomplishment I mean it's a miracle knowing what I know about. How many historic buildings in Detroit and I mean basically once you hit one thousand, nine, hundred, the number of historic buildings in Detroit becomes or any buildings in Detroit from that era. It just becomes slim to none and just think that this place somehow made it through is kind of a miracle. And it wasn't a big grand public structure that was making it through. I think that makes it very special to is representative of something that we don't have a lot of tangible representation of what they young army man, and his wife would live in this first house. I I agree with you completely. I so it sounds like with this. Is that you really? Really want to do something that has context and depth and more than just another you know place to stare at some old furniture. What is kind of your time line and an process with this? Where thing standing because of her different dates overtime where things at now where we actually can say it's GonNa move and the next two months. Oh, I think. This year I hate to say this. but it is ready to move the foundation that is going to go on in eastern market is being put up right now, so the house will move the Michigan. History Foundation is working with us to raise funds to I. Stabilize the House that always step one. When you move a house, this one to get it from point a to point b underneath all the things that needs to go under. They're actually going to cut into and then move the second story on one truck and the first story on the other truck, so we put it back together. We stabilize it. We raise money because the foundation is helping us do that, but. We are going to need to raise public private donations to get us all the way to the finish line on this lynn at the same time that we're doing that. We want to hold some community conversations that present this grant was. This is what this house is associated with it now. What's important to you? How do you think it might be used to the best purposes for Detroit? And we WANNA do that with teachers we wanted to do with the people who live around eastern market. We've had a lot of conversations with the Detroit. Edison Public School, that is right across the defender. Cut from where it's going to be located. We're GONNA. Do some listening before we actually decide is exactly what we're going to do with the interior of the house and the programming for the house. If we got that done over the next two years I would in got it actually done and accomplished I would be very very. Well it sounds like things are starting to move. If people WANNA get involved with this project. If they want to put money into it. If they want to be part of this conversation, what can people do? They could go to grant Detroit Dot Org and that's the website for this house. It's got some history of the house. It's got some sure's. The picture. At the top of the history segment of that is the house in morning when grant died, and it tells you can be part of the efforts to raise funds to take it to the next step. We want people to contribute to make this happen, but we also want to hear people's ideas of what they think is important about this house for sure for sure Sandra Clark thank you so much for your time. I really do appreciate it. You are welcome. Thank you for your interest. alrighty, that'll do it for your daily Detroit. If you have feedback, question or things, we should cover ideas. Email me at daily Detroit. At G MAIL DOT COM. I'm Jay Baer stays. Take care of each other and I'll see you around Detroit with the Mascot Talk to you tomorrow.

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The Barrett Brief  More And More Americans Checking Out Of Federal Politics

CRUSADE Channel Previews

12:32 min | 2 months ago

The Barrett Brief More And More Americans Checking Out Of Federal Politics

"The former cia director's officials. And if they're saying it allow that means they're thinking it in the bowels washington. Dc somewhere there there. They want to treat domestic terrorism. I e white people i e conservatives as an insurgency lake were insurgence so of course that the first question is first question is am i gonna get funded like al qaeda. Because i might be all right with. That'll take the toyota tacomas. And all the you know the cia training and all that stuff. I'll take it if that's gonna be urgency. 'cause y'all they actually fund isis or al qaeda. Or if you want to be like barack obama in that regard. Are they going to do that. Are they gonna give us the money for that. Secondly they're just going straight drone strike you when you're on your way to work sometime you damn. No barack obama was there he drone strike you in the morning. It out joe biden doesn't even know what the hell the drone strike is but they're ratcheting up this pressure because they need a new boogeyman. They need a new boogeyman post trump. That's all this is. It's about the fact that the media was so obsessed. President trump mayport every day into the basket. Then after that. What do you do. Where do you go. I mean cnn's rankings or ratings have returned to pre trump levels. That's just a nice way of saying they've gone straight back into the tank because nobody cares about all the propaganda articles written about how michelle obama got vegetables from. Joe biden's garden and look at this title of this article from politico. We'll talk about this. During the brief here on the crusade janelle the last live radio station. Standing ulysses s. Grant's presidency can teach joe biden about putting down violent insurrectionists. Last time i checked the only person that died on january. Six with ashley babbitt. Although some people try to tell me otherwise last time i checked if you get shot even if the guy doesn't aim well you get shot in the neck. Most times you die. This guy tony Kennedy on twitter other going to treat us like an insurgency. Does that mean we get k. Forty-sevens and pickup trucks. The greatest stimulus package jabber. I'll take it. But we also see this response by our federal overlords trying to continue. The narrative of white supremacists the narrative of dangerous insurrectionists. Why well because post trump trump has gone but the all out devotion to the federal government particularly by republicans according to the yugo is essentially gone. So this is the aggressive treatment to try and get us back into line right. You don't want to be a domestic terrorists that insurrectionist. What the hell is joe. Buying going to burn. -lanta is that the is that the message that he's going to take from ulysses grant which is not the right reference. I understand but it's the most bombastic thing i could think of at the time but from this ugo poll republicans sour on congress and doubt the supreme court as well. Now say whatever you want about the methods that you gov does as far as their polling sizes and who they ask. I think it's actually quite reflective of the people that i talked to and it's actually reflected in the treatment that mike ladele got on. Newsmax you do not walk the company line. They pretty much boot you out. But we're seeing more and more people just check out of this which is good. Hopefully they'll turn and concentrate their energy at the local level as local as possible. That's what we're hoping for. Not every state has what we have here in texas. Which is the texas nationalist movement gaining steam. Lot of people don't like the idea of a state seceding they wanna do it at the local level. That's fine go kick off. Have a great time. Do y'all thang. I ain't gonna sit here and mock you. I'm not gonna sit here and derived you. I'm not going to sit here and poke holes in your argument if you want to do that as long as you are. As long as you are withdrawing your consent at whatever level you can possibly do it and i and this is just a texan talking and i mean. Obviously i'm a carpet. Bagging texan still accent. In regard some of the people throw towards texas is just jealousy that your state doesn't have it. Say whatever you want you can home and harm man. And i'm johnny come lately. This whole thing maybe working on it since two thousand and five. So i'm sorry. Your state didn't start although new hampshire has it california has it. there's a new england alliance. They're all over the place. He's gotta find them all these little outposts and like i said let's say you live in a state that has there's you know. The vince mcmahon. No chance in hell of it happening. You can still withdraw your consent. My church says build up your kingdom that is your home and operated as such because more and more people have seen more and more people have been a part of the voting process and actively participating rallies which they're now on domestic terrorist watch lists and it's only gonna get worse once they passed that domestic terror bill through both chambers of the death star once they do both those will all be there. We'll all be there now. So if you want to worry about being put on less you've already been put on the list man. They're going to put you on a list. You don't think you're on one already. You think he ever has tag maga you ever tagged. President trump ever bought some kind of trump flag or trump merchandise or. Have a video of you with a trump flag. You don't think you're on a list of ready. Then you need to dag gone. Get out and realize we all are which is why we must. We must withdraw our consent from the govern- let them have it. Because they're so desperate now because so many people especially the side they want to control. They don't care about the sycophants on twitter. They don't care about the democrats that i don't know what the forty five million i'm gonna give. Dominion voting machine. Half of the votes about the sixty billion people have voted for biden. Wherever did vote for biden. You think the liberals and the democrats and people power care about them. No they're sycophants they're in there. You're withdrawal mind withdrawal. Obstinance that really gets under their skin. The plebs you could see it because the regulators. I hope you didn't buy game stock stock. And i'm just gonna call that gain stock. I'll beat him by him. See because yellen is about to unleash the ring rates of regulation upon wall street. Jeez calling the regulators together. She's going to send out or nine regulator ring rates to smash whatever they're doing now. I have some stuff on wall street. But i haven't touched game soccer. Amc because the ones that are coming after. But you're acts of defiance however you can do them is just a jab at them because they're hoping they're hoping with the grand display on january six and the fluffy little puff pieces and all the entire media industrial complex including fox news and newsmax and most likely one america news network all working in concert in one way or another to try and soothe the angry republicans. Just come back right. Just come here. Just come under our control always. It's if you've watched any kind of cinema at any point in time it's a classic trick of the villain. If you come to my side. I will grant you mercy you've come. I'm not referencing harry potter. I refuse to reference harry potter. It is the worst piece of fiction. Our our society is even worse off for the entire series.

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Ep. 638 - The Real Bitter Clingers

The Ben Shapiro Show

55:28 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 638 - The Real Bitter Clingers

"Elizabeth Warren's humiliating cell phone. The media give President Trump a reason to question fake news again, and Hillary will never leave. I mentioned this is the venture Piero show. Elizabeth Warren, the smoke signals for twenty twenty never been stronger, but it seems as though she has just collapsed her own wig WAM. I don't. I don't even know van or TV or TV. I don't know in any case is just it's spectacular. So I can't wait to get this Elizabeth Warren story. But first, let's talk about how you can save save money on stamps. So these days you can save money on practically anything by never having to leave your house because time is money except you still have to go to the post office for stamps except he don't anymore. Now you can go over to SAM's dot com. You can access all the amazing services of the post office. Right from your desk. Twenty four, seven. 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So Elizabeth Warren, making my day. Great again. So Elizabeth Warren is the Senator from Massachusetts. I knew her a little bit when I was in Harvard Law School because she was a property professor. They're pretty popular property professor. The first time I met her, she literally the percent momentum. She was recruiting for Harvard Law School, and she ripped on Rush Limbaugh. That was a pretty good opener for what Elizabeth Warren was politically. Well, Elizabeth Warren today decided that she would engage in the most humiliating cell phone. I have ever seen in American politics. I mean, this is like the best cell phone of all time. This is the equivalent to that guy who owned gold during the World Cup and then got killed for it. Hopefully, nothing bad happens to lose with Laura. Nobody is calling for violence, but this is a really bad own-goal my goodness. So we have to. Travel back in time to a time when Elizabeth Warren claims that she was in fact native American. She said that she had high Cherokee cheekbones. She suggested in a in a recipe book called Powell shell. I kid you not that she was a native American and the recipe she submitted to pow Chow was respite recipe. Again, I kid you not for crab bisque because clearly that was something the Cherokees made back in the day crab bisque. The noted crab herds of the Oklahoma plains that her ancestors used to hunt allude with Warren told the story over and over about her native American ancestry. And what she said was that they're racist members of family couldn't accept her parents romance because her mom was partially native American. Here's Elizabeth Warren telling the romantic story. Actually, you haven't rolling about what it is. I believe, let's start the don't. Okay. My mom and dad were very much in love with each other and they wanted to get married and my father's parents said, absolutely not. You can't. Her because she's part Cherokee and she's part Delaware and after fighting as long as they couldn't, my parents went off, they eloped. Okay. So her parents eloped because her mom was part Cherokee and part Delaware, which means you would think pretty hefty dose of native American ancestry right there, right. I mean, if if her family is worried about it then sounds like that'd be some significant native American ancestry. So President Trump didn't believe this because it's nonsense. They had people actually checked in her background. They found there's no native American ancestry anywhere in the in the in the time horizon of rationality. So President Trump went out on the campaign trail. This is back in twenty seventeen, I believe, and he was holding a rally in Montana, and he suggested that he would give her a million dollars if she could prove her native American ancestry. And we will say, I will give you a million dollars for your favorite charity paid for by Trump. If you take the test to the judge urine into him. So today, Elizabeth Warren came forward with the evidence that she was in fact native American. Now, I think that it's important to note if you don't believe in media bias, you have to check out the headlines today because the headlines today are truly astonishing. The headline today from the Daily Beast suggests that there is strong evidence that she is native American. Okay. This it says, this is the actual title. Elizabeth Warren DNA test reveals native American ancestry. Her claims to indigenous heritage had been ridiculed by Trump. CNN had a headline about Elizabeth Warren. Same thing says Trump offered one million dollars. Now he says, who cares. And Elizabeth Warren releases test with strong evidence of ancestry. And then analysis wireless with Warren is number one in our new twenty twenty rankings. So CNN obviously has a pretty strong agenda here. So what this would suggest if you just read those headlines is should DNA tested found that a great grandparent was native American or something? Well. Not much. So she took a DNA test and here's what each other is going to the Boston Globe. The analysis of Warren's DNA was done by Carlos Bustamante a Stanford University professor and expert in the field who donate twenty ten MacArthur fellowship also known as genius grant for his work on tracking population migration via DNA analysis. He concluded that the vast majority of Warren's ancestry is European, but he added that the results strongly support, the existence of an anad mixed native American ancestor. So what exactly does that mean? Here's what it means. Bustamante calculated that warrants, pure native American ancestor appears in her family tree in the range of six to ten generations ago, six to ten generations ago. In other words, her actual native American ancestor could be polka contests that takes you back like two hundred years. That's just just to be straight about this. Her claim that she has native American ancestry was that her parent, her mom was so native. That she was discriminated against by her dad's family, that is not the same thing as her. Great, great, great, great, great. Grandparent, minimum was native American, not not the same thing at all. And by the way that is not the outer limit of the test, the test shows that at best at best. She was a sixth generation native American at worst at worst, its tenth, which would mean that she had an ancestor her. Great. Great. Great, great, great, great, great, great, great. Grandparent who was native American. Hey, the the, the best part of the Boston Globe story, it's really, really spectacular. So it says the inherent imprecision of the six page analysis could provide fodder for Warren's critics yet. I think if for great, great, great. Grandmother was native American that puts her at one thirty second American Indian. But no one says she's one thirty. Second, the minimum ride the minimum is that she is one ending was one, five hundred twelve or something. She's not like one thirty seconds is not actually a a sixth generation native American. That's that's like a fourth generation of American. In any case, the report includes the possibility that she is just one one thousand twenty-fourth native American. If the ancestor is ten generations back one thousand twenty. Fourth, I love this. So here here's the even better part to make up for the dearth of native American ancestry DNA booster Monte. You samples from Mexico Peru and Colombia to stand in for. Native American. So he knew us like Cherokee DNA to match up Hughes Mexican Peruvian and Colombian DNA to match up. So what it really shows is that she's one thousand twenty four Mexican Peruvian or Colombian, so. Awesome. Awesome. I love this. It says worn, has twelve times more native American blood than white person from Great Britain and ten times more than a white person from Utah. The report found while there's only one problem with that, what the actual study shows that the average American in the United States of any race. The average American in the United States is point. One eight percent is point one, eight percent native American, and that that is what and by the way you're not accepted as a native American native American tribe unless you are at least one sixteenth native American meaning that you had a grandparent who is native American. So we are now going back ten generations to try and claim that she is native American because she claimed, I guess, a university of Pennsylvania native American heritage and all the rest. He she is point zero. Zero, nine percent native American and she is bragging about this right? This is her claim and the media are saying, well, this you put this thing about this should put its bed. That is not. That is not what she said. That's not what she said at all. At all. It's spectacular. She's ninety. Nine point nine, nine, nine percent. White met Walsh is a good tweet about this is after finding out that Warren is a staggering ninety. Nine point nine, nine, nine percent white. Richard Spencer is expected to endorse or for president. Exactly. Oh, I love it so much. I love it to. So by the way, according to science, just wanna get the straight according to science. If you're one one thousand twenty-fourth native American that is strong evidence of native American ancestry. If you have two x chromosomes this doesn't mean you're woman that's according to the media. This is science people. This isn't politics, it science. So I have suggested publicly as others have done. I'm not the only one or probably verse person do have suggested this President Trump should not give one million dollars to Elizabeth Warren. He should give her one thousand twenty fourth of a million dollars. He should signed her a nine hundred dollar check because that's how native American she is. It's so good and he should. He should print it out any giant publishers clearinghouse check and you should sign it to Elizabeth Warren. And in the subject line destroyed failing to anti twenty campaign. It's just spectacular. It's just spectacular. So I love the and again, you have to love the media bias here if anybody claimed this on the right. Are you kidding me? If I claimed that I had native American ancestry and then people? Well, Ben, you pretty Jewish angle. You know, if I take a twenty three and me test and it shows that ten generations ago, maybe someone with some DNA in common with a Colombian person was in my ancestry. Would that make you native American? Also, I do love this yet the again, the idea that she has native American based on an ancestor ten generations ago. That's insane. There's not even the greatest racist like the greatest racist on earth. Earth would not call her native American. The people who hate native Americans would not call her native American based on ancestry Nazis, not real fond of juice. They cut off Jewish ancestry at second generation at third generation. They said, if you have four German grandparents, then you are considered fully German. Okay. And those people were super giant racists. The left is even more racist than the biggest racist because they are saying that if you have one tiny drop of native American ancestry from four hundred years ago, now your native American. I wonder how native Americans feel about this. He can't be great. It can't be great, really, really astonishing. So it's just. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so good. We'll have more on this and I love it. So I love it. So it's so great. I have more on this injustice and taking the first. Let's talk about the air that you're breathing. So there's a new study just out of China and discover that air pollution causes a huge reduction in intelligence which might explain our nation's politics right now. High pollution levels led to significant drops and test scores, language and arithmetic. The average impact quivalent having lost an entire year of education will now we know what happened to all the people who protest new and I go to college campuses, but it is important for you to have cleaner in your home with ninety five percent of the global population. Breathing unsafe air. You gotta have filters in your house that work filter by dot com. America's leading provider of h filters for homes and small businesses. You can choose from over six hundred sizes, including custom options that chip free within twenty four hours. Plus they support working Americans manufacturing all their filters right here in America, say five percent. When you subscribe for auto replacements, you'll never forget to change your filters ever again. Filter by will save you time money. You're going to breathe better, apparently become more intelligent than the process, which is awesome for us. So stop procrastinating. Go to filter b. y. dot com. Filter by dot com. Tell them that we sent you use filter by here in the office. I've used it at my house as well. Go check it out right now. Filter b u y dot com. That's filter by dot com. So spectacular. So Elizabeth Warren, just making a mockery of herself and not even knowing in the media playing long. Now, the question is, what motivated her to do this? What what made her do this? What made Elizabeth Warren think this is a great idea. The answer is that what made her by how the hell great idea she thinks was she went home and she filmed a video with a bunch of her family members complaining about how Trump was mean for suggesting she didn't have native American ancestry. Uh-huh. She obviously is prepping for a presidential run, but this is so. My, you know how white Elizabeth Warner's book at the back of this paper. Okay. This paper right here is less white than than Elizabeth Warren is because you can still see the ink through it a little bit. Hey, lose with ward is more white than this piece of paper. And yet she is proclaiming native American. It's good. It's just it's so good. Okay, so love it, but why don't you do this? She did this because she knew the media would cover for anyway. So the so the the media wrote a bunch of headlines saying that now she had been now. She had been justified. She'd been justified in her accusations. She had been justified in her claims and she is calling on President Trump to sign her a million dollar cheque because she has possibly point zero, nine percent native American, solid, solid stuff there, but she's right because the media do backer play, no matter what she does. The media will backer play, and that's obvious from the weekends media coverage, the media. You know, it's funny folks on the left. Suggest that the people on the right are better cleaners. We cling to God and we cling to guns and we cling to cling to our American status. We cling to our borders and cling to our language. We cling to all sorts of terrible things. You remember Barack Obama blamed evil republicanism on being bitter. Clinger's Elizabeth Warren is bitterly clinging onto this narrative in the media are bitterly clinging on along with her, and then they are clinging onto a bunch of other false narratives that they are putting out all they have to do. I've said this on CNN all that the media have to do in order to undermine President Trump is just try to stick to the truth. They can't do it. There's nothing that they can do that that will force them to stick the truth. And the evidence of this over the weekend. There are two separate two separate major media stories that turned out to be basically false about President Trump story. Number one, here's eight in NBC tweet about a rally that President Trump did. I believe Friday night. Says, watch president from says, Robert elite was a great general during Haya rally calling the confederate leader. Incredible now you'd think, well, that's bad stuff. You probably shouldn't call a confederate leader. Incredible. It is true. By the way, the robbery was a good general. I don't think great general, but he's good general. That doesn't mean that he was a good person or that he believed good things, but that was the headline for NBC news. The headline for NBC news is that Trump said the robbery was a great general and called the confederate leader. Incredible. Now, here is what president from actually said about robbery. Here's the clip of President Trump talking and one day it was looking really bad. And linkages said, you hardly knew his name and they said, don't take him. He's got a drinking problem. And Lincoln said, I don't care what problem as you guys are winning. And his name was grant general grid. And Lincoln said, I don't care enough hallock frankly, give me six or seven more just like, okay, so there's Trump actually talking about Brent when he was saying, is that Robert E Lee was a great general who's overcome by grant. He was not saying that robbery lose a wonderful wonderful person standing for wonderful thing. So NBC has to actually correct it. So Trump tweets, this out. He says, you guys, you got this wrong, he got this wrong. So here's President Trump's tweet. NBC news has totally purposely changed the put and meaning of my story about generally rabbit Aley and general. Ulysses grant was actually a shoutout to warrior grant and the great state in which he was born as usual diz, honest reporting, even mainstream media embarrassed. NBC had this weed a correction. They tweeted out a full correction correction in earlier tweet misidentified the general President Trump described as incredible at a rally in Ohio. It was general Ulysses s grant not general Robert Lee and attach video clip lacked the full context. Trump's remark here is the full clip. It took NBC news, two full days tr- attracted to full days. And that wasn't the only example of ridiculous media bias in the last forty eight hours. So CBS tweeted this out about President Trump on sixty minutes. Last night. President Trump was on sixty minutes. Here's what they tweeted. They tweeted President Trump on his treatment of Christine blazey Ford at rally, the accuser of just now Justice, Brad Kavanagh. It doesn't matter. We one makes it sound like the question was, do you care that you mocked Christine, blazey Ford and Trump says, it doesn't matter. We won. Well, there's only one problem that is clearly not what Trump was saying. Like clearly not what Trump was saying. Here's President Trump actually talking. We need the actual clip of President Trump talking from from sixty minutes on. And here he is here. He is in context that is absolutely not what he's saying. Professor Blasi for you mimicked her had I not made that speech. We would not have one. I was just saying she didn't seem to know anything, and you're trying to destroy a life of a man who has been extrordinary. Why did you have to make fun of her? I didn't really make fun. They will lash it as the person that we're talking about didn't know the year. The time the place professor Blasi for got before the Senate and and was asked, what's the worst moment? And she said, when the two boys laughed at me at my expense, and then I've watched you Mimika and thousands of people were laughing at her. They can do what the. Oh, I will tell you the way. Now, Justice Cavanaugh was treated has become a big factor in the midterms. Have you seen what's going on with the polls, but did you have? Well, I think she was treated with great respect. Nobody on us like, what do you think those shouldn't? Do you think you treated her with great? I do. But you seem to be saying that she lied a, you know what? I'm not gonna get into it because we won. It doesn't matter we want. Okay. So clearly he's not saying I don't care that you're accusing me of mocking her because we won. He's saying, I'm not gonna get into this with you. It's over. We're done the media covered this as though he was saying that he didn't care that he had mocked her, which is actually not what he said. So took that out of context too. It's just amazing. It's just amazing. So again, when President Trump Slim's the so-called fake news when they actually are participating in fake news, they absolutely one hundred percent deserve it. They absolutely one hundred percent deserve all of it in a second. We're going to go through an epic episode of. Good Trump bad from because President Trump was on sixty minutes yesterday. But first, let's talk about how you are going to relax. So does this new cycle make you wanna relaxed? Do you need to relax a little bit? I mean, I know you're boneless from laughter over Lisbeth Warren's claim that she native American, but still if you're a little bit stressed out over the midterm elections or anything else in your life, you really need to talk to my friends over zeal. 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Hey, you don't get to do that. And Elizabeth Warren is obviously kicking into high troll hydro mode. So she actually tweeted out this morning that President Trump is that President Trump has apparently forgotten about his promises to pay her money. It says, having some memory problems, Mr. Trump should we call for Dr. Here's some, you won't forget Mr President you the least popular president in modern history and your allies will go down hard, midterm, elections, twenty two days, tick. Tock tick tock. It's basically Mike lava. Naughty just took over Elizabeth Warren Switzer feed. Good luck with with all of this for the Democrats with all that said, President Trump was on sixty minutes last night. He did overall, I think a pretty good job because dealing with an interviewer in Leslie Stahl who was wildly anti-trump really, really hates Trump and you can tell from the questions, but it was pretty as his pretty epic episode of good Trump bedroom. So I have been the progenitor like the actual creator, not ten generations ago, the actual creator. Of good Trump bad Trump. You know the this model that says, sometimes the president says good things, and sometimes the president says bad things, and we have a theme song for we haven't played it in a while, but today seemed an app today. So let's play a little good Trump Trump. Sure. Okay. So on the good Trump side, I have to acknowledge that the president did quote tweet me this morning, which is kind of fun. So he watched my final Sunday special on Fox News. He tweeted out the only way to shut down the Democrats new mob who strategy is to stop them called at the ballot box. The fight for America's future is never over then. Shapira. Thank you Mr President. I appreciate it. So that's good Trump other good Trump. He said some said, some interesting things on sixty minutes when he talked about the Democrats not wanting the country to heal, this obviously was criterias president from going after the Democrats. He is not wrong about this. Considering the Lisbeth Warren today is doing the everybody hates you. Mr. Trump and my native American ancestry is real and Hillary saying no civility for publicans and all the rest. Here's president from talking about Democrats wanting to the country. We need to be healed. We need new, they want to heal yet. I'll be. I show Hillary Clinton made a really nasty statement. I don't think they wanna be healed. I do wanna he'll I agree that the Democrats don't want the country to hill. I'm not sure the President Trump is the most hewing president, but we will count this in the category of good Trump in the category of bad Trump, here's president from talking about Saudi Arabia. So he has made a couple of comments. What he said on sixty minutes was not bad, but Saudi Arabia is in meshed in a massive scandal right now because there's this guy named Jamal Khashoggi and Jamal Khashoggi was a person who wrote up ED's for the Washington Post. He was a longtime retainer of the Saudi Royal family and a critic of the regime. He entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey on October, second seeking documents relevant to a divorce, the Turkish government claims that they have proof that a Saudi hit squad, murdered him inside the consulate chops his body up and then dispatched the remains in a black van to a private plane headed for Saudi Arabia. There's not a lot of that Khashoggi is dead. At this point. This is created worldwide consternation. Against the Saudi government and in particular against prince, Mohammad bin Soltan who's considered the new leader of Saudi Arabia, the new dictator of Saudi Arabia. A few comments are necessary on this to to understand what's going on exactly or number one, Saudi Arabia is h radical dictatorship led by people who are radical dictators is monarchy. They chop people's hands off regularly. They imprison dissidents. They're not a human rights, friendly country. Mohammed bin Soltan was supposed to be a reformer, but even as a reformer, he's still the dictator of Saudi Arabia. This is not a supremely shocking story on any level other than we know the name of the guy who has disappeared as opposed to presumably many other people whose names we don't know who have been disappeared. Second, the Turkish government has a pretty strong interest in trying to humiliate the Saudis because the Turkish government has basically been anti-saudi for years. They're in bed with uranian government at this point and to a certain extent in bed with the Syrian government as well. All of that said the Turkish government releasing evidence. In the tempt to make it look like they are friends aired on who's the leader of Turkey also in Islamic thug who has imprisoned dissidents and killed dissidents too. So there are no good guys in this part of the world, at least not in leadership positions. In any case, the call for the United States to distance itself from the Saudi Arabian government after all of this I think is appropriate. But I think it's also appropriate to note that the outsized consternation with regard to Chaghi, which when I say outside, I don't mean that it's inappropriate. It's totally appropriate. But when compared to the amount of consternation over Turkey imprisoning thousands of people and until a minute ago, imprisoning the USO pastor or Syria murdering half million people or Ron pursuing terrorism across the region. I, it's, it is amazing how the human brain has the capacity to hone in on a single incident of evil in a way that doesn't on literally hundreds of thousands of incidents of evil. But with all of that said, the United States does have to do something. If this Addy Arabian government is calling dissidents. To consulates and then murdering them, that's not a that, that that is a bad thing. Here's President Trump on sixty minutes talking about it. He changed his to a little bit today. They arose during military weapon, everybody in the world. One of that order Russia wanted it. China wanted it. We wanted it, we got it. So would you cut that on what? Well, what? I don't wanna do Boeing, Lockheed Raytheon. All these. I don't want to hurt jobs. I don't want to lose or like that. There are other ways of punish eight to use a word that's pretty harsh word, but there's true. Okay. So you know, when he says that he wants to maintain certain economic ties, that's not great Trump, right. He needs to actually be exerted pressure on the Saudis for reform. Now, he has to do that carefully because he also doesn't want to give a lot of leeway and leverage to the Iranians who our enemies with the Saudi regime and have been fighting a proxy war in Yemen with the Saudis. Again, there are no good guys in this particular area of the world. But with that said. You're the president ought to be signaling some pretty harsh rhetoric with regard to the Khashoggi situation. He is not so that when files under bad Trump today, he said that the Saudi Arabian government denies it. They say that it's not real, so we're just going to ignore it. That is not great stuff from the president. Okay. Other stuff that the president said during the sixty minutes interview, here's some other bad Trump. Here's President Trump on Kim Jong Hoon the the dictator, another evil dictator, and he has more and more. It's form. Nine buddy love that guy look. Look. I have. I like I get along with them. Okay. Yes, I shouldn't have him. Okay. That's just like speech. It's like an embrace. Well, let it be in a Bris, let it be whatever it is. Chant guy look, let it be whatever it is I get along with them really well, have a good energy with a good chemistry with him. Look at the horrible threats that were mad, no more threats, no more threats. So you know him him talking about him. That way is not good either. He actually have to demonstrate a strong hand in President Trump did that early in his presidency with Kim, but he's not really doing that anymore. So there's a lot of good from bad from happening with with regard to sixty minutes, but that's who the president is. And it is important to note that his ups and downs are indicative of the man's mind. I mean, that's just to President Trump is. So just a second. I want to get to the other big story of the weekend, which was these violent clashes happening in Portland, New York between antifa and the proud boys. But first, let's talk about express VPN. 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Now there are people who look at the incidents of the nineties and they say a president of the United States cannot have a consensual relationship with an intern, the power imbalances to adult. But let me ask you this, where's the investigation of the current incumbent against whom numerous allegations have been made, so good. So good. So I, I love this Trump should resign because of Al. Gatien's against him, but her husband shouldn't resign because of allegations against him. Also, he didn't abuse power. When he forty nine year old president of the United States was being serviced by twenty two year old intern in the Oval Office, not an abuse of power anyway. Good to know that power imbalances, no longer a concern for feminists on the left very exciting stuff. Also, Hillary came forth and said, President Trump is a sexist. Of course, the reason that she knows Trump is a Sex's because Trump was mean to her. If you watched the way Trump debated me, it was just imbued with sexism making fun of me for preparing, you know, that's the old like, oh, yeah, the girl in the class who's always prepared. I don't need to be prepared that really was that what happened to those debates? What happened is that Trump was much of a jerk to her as he has to every other human being on the planet. And it didn't play well with her because she's one of the most deeply unlikable human beings on planet earth. Just let it the the Democrats have decided to full scale embrace the most radical version of themselves. You know, they say in acting that you have to get in touch with your authenticity. Democrats are certain. Getting in touch with their authenticity. The problem is deep down, democratic leadership, not particularly charming. Bernie. Sanders is another example of this. So Bernie was on Jake tapper show on CNN and Jake tapper asked him about the inflammatory rhetoric on the part of some folks in the Democratic Party and Bernie a follower of who's shot up a bunch of congress people last year came out and said that it's not that bad. If people get mobbed in public places like it's, it's amazing. The burning doesn't feel any necessity to say anything here about the sort of action. You know, I listened to it and I don't blame Bernie Sanders for that incident last year because unless you are openly calling for violence, I don't blame you for somebody going and doing violence. But when Bernie Sanders refuses to condemn mobbing in public spaces, he certainly is not making the country a better place. Well, I'm I am very strongly in favor of mobilizing the American people to stand up and fight for economic Justice and social Justice and racial and environmental Justice. And I think we have the mobile. Is people. I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities, but this is what I will say this entire two thousand election campaign is gonna come down to two words, and that is voter, turn up and say, he's not a big fan of people getting rid. But if people get route, that's sort of the way that it is voter turnout don't wanna dampened enthusiasm. It just shows have Democrats are willing to flirt with the mob politics. They've been talking about for the last several months relations. Maxine Waters broke out into the open with it and they're willing to do so on a on a regular basis, they're even willing to validate mob violence on a regular basis over the weekend, the Washington Times reported the Portland mayor. Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video, showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers. But he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved. He says, I was appalled by what I saw on the video, but I support the Portland police bureau's decision not to intervene. The whole incident will be investigated. Video was posted by journalists and Zina go and. Showed protesters, including members of antiques and black lives matter blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic while officers on motorcycle. Watch from a block away at one point, the activists, chase down seventy four year old, Kent Houser effort made a right turn against their wishes pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window, the car sustained douses of dollars in damage. He told the Oregonian, but Mr. Wheeler insists the motorist should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland while all of this, this lack of law enforcement. This lack of crackdowns on antifa in leads to greater heights violence. When other people who are ready for violence show up in places where anti is. Now, here has been my recommendation for very long time. I speak at a lot of public events where protesters show up and some of those events protesters get violent. But I mean, that's that's happened at Cal State. Los Angeles had happened at Penn State a little bit. It happened certainly at Berkeley where nine people were arrested may recommendation has always been. There have been people who said, well, should I come ready for self defense or always had his look. If somebody hits you, then defending yourself is fine, but you should come ready to invoke the powers of the police. You should be ready to go to the police and let law enforcement take care of the problem. We live in a volatile climate enough that you don't have to go around spoiling for a fight because if you spoil for a fight, the media's just going to play it as though you're the NCAA or the fight in the first place. The reason I bring this up is because over the weekend, there are a couple of violent incidents, one in New York and one in Portland, and it's just not good stuff. It's not good stuff. I'll explain. So first Portland, so there is a March called the patriot pro patriot pride, I believe. And it happened in Portland over the weekend. And it will and it got ugly because antifa showed up and people basically started beating the crap out of each other. Here's a little bit of the brawl. He can't see this. You can see people fighting with other real swinging on each other according to the organ, live demonstration billed as a March for law and order in the streets. Portland descend into chaos. Rival political factions broke into bloody brawls downtown Saturday night members of the right wing patriot player and their black, a black clad adversaries not used bear spray, bear fits and batons to thrash each other outside Kelly's Olympia, a popular bar on south west Washington street. The melee which lasted more than minute ended when riot cops Rushton and fired pepper balls at the street fighters. Now, as I say, what's happening here is that groups like patriot prayer, which I are being cast white nationalist, and I'm not seeing strong enough evidence to say that this is a white nationalist group. In any case in this coming from a guy who's happy to to say when I think people are white nationalist did to episodes after Charlottesville talking about white nationalism and the eagles of the alright patriot pair was doing March in Portland specifically because they wanted to show that anti violent anti fa showed up. And it looked like antifa instigated violence and the folks that patriot prayer then got into it with them including some of the proud voice from Gavin mcginnis group. And it got violent now, as I say, I think that is perfectly worthwhile to publicly March against violence, and I think it's okay to defend yourself too. But there's a difference between being willing to defend yourself in spoiling a fight to the point where you're looking to beat the living crap out of somebody. Because number one, you shouldn't be looking to beat the living crap out of people in aggressive fashion, like the guys down the guys down now it's time for law enforcement to come in. And number two, it is perfectly obvious that the media to play this as though it is right wing groups, instigating violence, as opposed to vote, which has been violent every single place. It goes instigating violence. Here's a little bit more video from that brawl in Portland. It's a little hard to see folks marching and then it's about breakdown in violence in the front people hitting each other's wing, each other people, shouting at each other. And then there is also a separate brawl in New York. So in New York, there is a event at the metropolitan club club had been defaced by allegedly antifa over the past couple of days, and there's invent forgave mcginnis. He's the leader of the proud boys. Now, again, the media labeled the proud boys, white nationalist group. They're members of the proud boys who are white nationalist Gavin is not a white nationalist. I know Gavin get is not a white nationalist given, I think needs to be more strict about who he involves his friends, but to suggest Gavin is white. Nationalist ignores any part of his rhetoric that's just not accurate. Now, with that said, do the probe spoil for fight? Yeah, they do. And you can see that in this particular video in New York now and claiming the probe instigated the violence, the proud boys are claiming and instigated the violence. Apparently after the event they walked out, there's Mantica members. Somehow violence gets instigated and you end up with basically twenty members of the proud boys kicking the living crap out of three members antiga. And they will get on guys taking them. And eventually you'll see some members sort of the surrounding crowd actually pulling people off of these guys because they don't want them getting arrested or killing somebody on the street brawls fought in public streets. This is not civilization, it's not civilization, and if the police won't do their jobs is going to get worse and worse. And if mayors aren't going do their jobs, it's going to get worse and worse near governor, Andrew Cuomo called on the FBI to investigate violent clashes connected to the proud boys. Any blame, President Trump for the hatred violence tied the altercations. This is a state issue. This is not a federal issue. His state and city should investigate every one of these incidents. And the people who instigate violence, you go to jail. If the city was doing that in the first place, these bras would not be breaking out. We've seen them now in Sacramento seen the couple of times in Portland them in Berkeley. We've seen them now in New York City. This is all stuff. Yes. Be ready to defend yourself. Don't go to events though spoiling for a fight, be there in coordination with the police if you're on the side of force what you're doing something right. And if the left refuses to. Allow law enforcement to do its job. This sort of stuff is going to become more and more prevalent and it's horrible for the country truly truly awful for the country. Okay. Time for a couple of things that I like. So things that I like today as a couple of books over the weekend. The first was from Guinan break harmless. I went and visited Graceland and I realized I didn't know very much Elvis. So I did. I always do. I went book on it. So there's a really good book called being Elvis, lonely life by Ray Connolly and the book is fun and well written and interesting if you're a fan of Elvis's music, then it's a kick. So go check that out a Ray Connolly's being Elvis, a lonely life. Really. It's an enjoyable read, and I've been getting kick out of it as well as music. He's really, he's got an underrated voice. Elvis, in the more you listen, the more you realize that actually could sing particularly his ballads. Right. Love me. Tender is really Wellstone song. And the funny thing about love me tender, right? Which he made really popular is that it is one hundred year old confederate ballot, I believe from like the eighteen sixties eighteen fifties, eighteen sixties, redone, rearrange for movie that he made his first movie in any case in go check that out. Okay. Other things that I like this week, so Michael Savage, who's a radio talk show host and disagree Michael on a lot of things. If you wanna window into sort of the Trump movement, you know the folks on the left one window into the movement. They ought to check out Michael's books because Michael has been preaching a lot of the same sort of themes. Some which Grissom which I disagree with that Trump has been on for a long time. There's a reason that Trump and savage close during the last election cycle as new book out called stop mass hysteria, America's insanity from the Salem, witch trials, the Trump which ones about the left targeting Trump the left acts like they don't have a window into the mind of Trump. People like Trump people are all crazy and that they don't have anybody articulating their viewpoint. Savage, the pretty good articulate of that viewpoint. So if folks want to know. What a lot of the Trump is thinking. Michael good beat on it. Go check out, stop mass hysteria. That's that's Michael's new book. Again, don't agree with everything in the book, but I like windows into into ideas and Michael provides that for short. Okay. Other things that I like, so Bill Maher gets credited he was on his show, and this is what I wish we had talked about when mar had me on was the was the evils of political correctness. Instead he wanted to talk Russia for some odd reason, but here's Bill Maher talking about liberals trying to crack down on people quoting Churchill and how insane all of this is eighty percent in this new Atlantic story produce this poll eighty percent of American political correctness as a problem. And I think it's our problem and I don't know why more mainstream liberals don't denounce the political correctness that they must know in private conversations is insane, and he's right out all of this, of course, good for Bill Maher. We credit when it is do around here. Okay. Time for a couple of things that I hate. So Israel has taken a policy that I think is very, very foolish. There's a policy where basically Israel has barred unhinged people from traveling to study in Israel's. There's this woman who's named his Laura alka Sam, she's twenty two. She's an American student Palestinian essense. She arrived in Israel within his should visa to study in a master's program at Hebrew. She never made it out of the airport, Israeli security officials detained her because for past membership, in students for Justice in Palestine, which is indeed an anti semitic anti Israel group. They support a boycott investment sanctions policy toward the Jewish state, and now she's facing deportation hearing. This is bad politics, and it is anti first amendment principles. Now, my view is this the state of Israel does not have to give citizenships at anybody who wants to undermine the state of Israel just as the United States does not have to give citizenship to anybody who wants to undermine the the United States of America as a general rule. Bringing in people to studying inter-country as long as they're paying their own way and is not taking public Dow's. I don't think we should be subsidizing that in the United States. But if somebody comes here and they are socialist, for example, and they wanna study in an engineering program here and they want to pay their own way. I don't see a problem with that, and I think that it would be a mistake for the United States to bar people based on political viewpoints except when it comes to actually becoming citizens and integrating into the society. So Israel has no need to grant citizenship to this woman alka Sam the they've been doing this for few months and I don't think it smart in April, Katherine, Frank, this berry Wyson and Brad Stevens reporting the your times, a professor Columbia was intere-. It was interrogated and deported from Israel on charges of being leader of Jewish voice for peace, which is another organization that endorses in August Simone Zimmerman in American Jewish activists who lives in Israel and is a founder of not now which is a group that is also proceed. Yes, was held at these really border for more than three hours and quizzed on her political views. Peter beinart who's in absolute schmuck of human being. But he's a, he's a left-wing Zion, supposedly, he's also quasi. Yes, he's on his way to his nieces about mitzvah in Israel, and he was detained and question. This is foolish for people who are just visiting if you think national security threat like a real security threat, like they're raising money against Israel, then then you have every right to ban them. But if they're just there and they're left wing, let them in make have them leave on their recess spiders. And that's that this is bad policy. I feel the same way about Israel's. I do about the United States on free speech basis. This seems counterproductive and foolish. I agree with Bret and berry when they say Israel, like all countries has a right to protect its borders and to determine who's allowed in and out. But Israel is also a state the prides itself on being liberal democracy. A fact that goes far to explain the longstanding support for Israel among American Jews, non Jews. Like if liberalism is about anything, it's about deep tolerance for pinions. We find foolish dangerous antipathetic to our own. So detaining folks is is not a worthwhile goal. I think this is right, but you're not to citizenship to anybody. Nor do you have to get public benefits to anybody. And that's where I would draw the line where I is real. I feel the exact same way about the United States. Okay. Other things that I hate. So speaking of media bias insane piece in the New York Times over the weekend talking about Jared Kushner and his taxes. So ever since Nikki Haley suggested the jerk Kushner's smart guy. The media have decided that they're on the warpath for Kushner. They have two separate lines of attack over the past several days when tag. Number one, Jared, Kushner is close. NBS Muhammed bin Sultan. The Saudi prince responsible allegedly for the murder of Jamal shaggy. Who is that Saudi dissident so journeys close with Saudi government. Therefore, it's jury's fault. The Saudi government did something bad. I'd like to see that logic applied to every American president for the last sixty years. I'd like see that logic apply because that logic simply does not hold. If anybody has an alternative in Saudi Arabia we can get behind. I am happy to hear it. Otherwise jerk Kushner working with Muhammed bin salon before he knew about a murder, seems to me not a terrible idea considering that. Muhammed I, it's worth noting here that Mohammed bin Soltan has been militantly opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood and also posted Iranians meeting. We have global interests in the Saudi government. We have actual interests in Saudi government. It doesn't mean that we can't snack them when they something wrong as we should. But the blame Jared Kushner for this is just ridiculous and silly, the other line of attack the didn't pay taxes. So Cording to the New York Times over the past decade jerk listeners family company has spent billions of dollars buying real estate. His personal stock investments have soared. His network has quintupled almost three hundred twenty four million dollars. And yet for several years running, Mr. Kushner appears to have paid almost no federal income taxes according to confidential. Financial documents reviewed by the New York Times, his low tax bills are the result of a common tax minimizing maneuver that year after year generated millions of dollars in losses for Mr. Kushner. But the losses were only on paper because his company didn't actually appear to lose money. The losses were driven by depreciation which is a tax benefit that let's real estate investors deduct a portion of the cost of their buildings from their taxable income every year into. Fifteen. For example, Kushner took him one point, seven million dollars in salary and investment gains. But those earnings were swamped by eight point, three million dollars of losses largely because of significant depreciation. Kushner is company took on the real estate. So here's the question. Did he break the law? Here's the New York Times. Nothing in the document suggests Mr. Kushner, or his company broke the law. So is this article. So the article is jerked Kushner paid his taxes, but he didn't actually taxes so he didn't pay taxes. How is that an attack. This is just it's cynical. I mean, really that cynical stuff. You don't like the tax code argue against the tax code, but don't blame people for abiding by the actual law of land in the United States. Okay. Time for a quick federalist paper and then we'll be out of here. So we're all the federalist forty seven written by by James Madison. And this one is really fascinating because it talks about the original concept of separation of powers. Madison says that tyranny is a failure of the separation of powers says, quote the accumulation of all powers, legislative executive, and traditionally in the same hands, whether of one of your many, whether hereditary self-appointed or elective may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. In other words, if you have a branch that has arrogated to itself judicial power, executive power and legislative power, that would be a tyranny. He says that if the constitution were really chargeable with accumulation of that sort of power that no further arguments would be necessary to inspire universal reprobation of the system. He does listen there parts where the executive does legislative staff and parts with legislative does. Executive stuff. Employer tour the judiciary does legislative stuff, but if they arrogate extensive and exclusive power of one of the other branches that is tyranny quotes, monster skew, French loss Romanski, who was the progenitor of this idea of checks and balances his meaning as his own words import and still more conclusively as illustrated by the example in his I can amount to no more than this that were the whole power of one department is exercised by the same hands, which possessed the whole power of another department. The fundamental principles of free constitution are subverted. This would have been the case in the constitution examined by him. If the king who's the sole executive magistrate had also possessed the complete legislative power or the supreme administration of Justice skew objected to the merger of the executive and the legislative. So here's a quote from onto skew when the legislative and executive powers are United in the same personal body, there can be no liberty because the apprehensions may arise less the same monarch or Senate should enact radical loss to execute them into Toronto manner. He said, we're the power of judging. Join with the legislative, the wife and liberty of the subject would be exposed to arbitrary control for the judge within the legislator where joined the executive power, the judge might behave with all the violence of an oppressor. So the argument right now in the United States is whether this is what's heck actually happened with the executive branch. The executive branch basically legislates not basically they do the regulatory power of the executive branch is legislative power. Now you can argue that's not the whole legislative power because congress can Trump that congress failed to Trump that if you actually would like to see check and balance. Again, congress has to take back some of that power. Congress is doing some of that under President Trump. They were involved in in a legislative move where they basically knocking down regulations and pretty rapid rate. That's good and necessary. Executive power has also gained the judiciary power given ministration agencies with their own hearings boards. This is one of the reasons why there's been a lot of focus on case called Chevron. Chevron is a supreme court case in which the supreme court suggested the judiciary has to grant administrative deference to administrative agency. So you have a case in for the go to the board. The administrative board gives you a judicial decision. The question is whether the judiciary can Trump that decision. Chevron says in many cases, no, that's why Chevron is wrong. It's just as Gorsuch, has opposed Chevron, it's why Justice cavenaugh oppose Chevron. Chevron should be struck down just for these checks and balances to be restored. Arrogation of too much power in one branch is the essence of tyranny that remains true today as when the constitution was written. Okay, we'll be back tomorrow with all of the latest presumably including full stories of Elizabeth Warren time with the native American tribes writing the crabbers and planes vocal Homa have all the forty tomorrow. I'm bench. This bench bureau show. The Ben Shapiro show is produced by send ya Villarreal executive producer, Jeremy, boring, senior producer, Jonathan, hey, are supervising producers Mathis Glover and our technical producer is Austin Stevens ended by Alexandra. Audio is mixed by my Kerma. Herron makeup is by just while VERA. 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Breaking Down Impeachment 2.0

KILF Morning New Podcast

08:49 min | 2 months ago

Breaking Down Impeachment 2.0

"Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its geico easy. Visit geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com for the first time. Donald trump stood trial in the. Us senate all pretty interesting. I remember like wow. We're watching history in the making that civics lessons didn't know much about the process doesn't happen that often and now here we are again going. Come on you guys really deja-vu away. Yeah in a way but this is entirely different. He's no longer president of the states. He holds no office whatsoever. So the first question they have to tackle. I'm glad to see that they are going to spend today. Doing this isn't even constitutional right joining us now to break it. Down is our constitutional law expert. David cole from lynn. Pinker hurston swagman morning. David good morning. Are you guys doing good. So is it constitutional for them to do this. The answer to that is definitely maybe. That's that's the answer. The the constitution has their two sentences in our constitution. That speak to this question of are you can impeach president breeze left office. Neater is directly on point to it and they're not very consistent and it's just sort of left open In the draft constitution there are couple of sports. Examples of high style of officials not presidents but a senator a cabinet member who impeachment proceedings began against after. They left office. But those kind of fizzled out in the last one was ulysses. Grant's secretary of war. That was a while ago. Their mother impeachments of lower level officials will raise the sitcom questions so it's rimmed argue on both sides of this question. Yeah i what i keep wondering is is this is this something that would have even occurred to the founders and the writing the constitution. They might have just assumed well you. You wouldn't want to put somebody on trial when they're not even in office anymore. And i guess europe trying to. That's a question. I mean if the framers had sat around and put that level of detail in the constitution. What happens if somebody leaves office the instead of this very sleek thing that you can put in your shirt pocket and a small printing out it. You'd have a phone book size document. I'm dating myself with that reference there but it just wouldn't be usable have so much detail it would be would sort of trip over itself and so what are they talking about it or not. It's just not the kind of thing that they got into because they were busy sketching out the broad outlines of the whole governments to these particular situation. So it's a little frustrating. It seems to me and others to to that the one of the main reasons why they're doing this is so they can prevent donald trump from running for president again. Certainly is this a political process. It's not a court proceeding. It sort of looks like a trial but it's not and and that's the main goal of it is if you can't remove him from office with there is a constitution allows you to bar someone from a future federal service if they were impeached and i think that is the political goal of the of the house measures. Here love it or hate it. It's a political preceding. It's something being done. Buyer political branches of government. We know that The first batch of lawyers the president. The former president had quit because they didn't want to make the argument related to the electoral votes and the counting of votes during the election and so forth that he apparently wanted them to do now. He's got a second team based upon what you've read about Their approach to this trial. do you think that they have a good argument. They've made the right arguments. I read through it quickly even for a lawyer. He's kind kinda long but They they make the two key points for him that that way. Wait a minute. He's already left office. And there's the first amendment out there and you have a right to speak and you can parse the words that he said and he didn't actually say go storm the capital. You can go back and forth. On what the upshot of his general communication was when they signed cases that have remind us how seriously we protect free speech in the country and those are the two kind of procedural points on the front end that he ought to be emphasizing. And fortunately it doesn't get into a bunch of stuff about the election and that's very wise. I think i think people want to hear that would be interested. Get into those topics. How about california congressman. Maxine waters i mean when she said to to to constituents and people to go out and attack congressmen and women while they were eating at restaurants. I mean isn't that the same kind of thing is certainly not the kind of behaviorally one encourage people need to keep politics and politics and dinner. Dinner is just sort of a civilized society. But i if i was going to be picking the side of the house managers there i would say that maxine waters was a challenging. The end result of two month long election process involving millions of people. It's true those remarks are intemperate by her but this is really another level. Then we're talking about the finalisation of the election process which is probably the most important thing the government does and the the argument that someone Outgoing president was angry about the result interfered with that is a very serious one whether or not you believe that. The facts add up to something that deserves impeachment. Talking the constitutional law expert david cole on k. l. i. f. Is there any chance at the senate actually convicts. The former president looks pretty slim. I mean the the way it is shaped up is if you're a republican and you want support the party but you don't really want to jump on their in bemba in favor of all things happen january six there are valid procedural arguments him threshold questions about constitutionality. You can adopt and it gets very attractive. Offramp to a lot of people that have to deal with constituents back home that don't like these proceedings. And i think that's motivating away. A lot of republicans are approaching this vote. Interestingly i don't see any democrats thinking about the offer apps so some of that may be politics Some that may just be the way they view the issues. It's hard to tell once you get inside the beltway as you as you just said and you said to us Before on the air here a political process not really illegal one so regardless of what the decision is will. It set a precedent for the future. I think ultimately it will end up like the two examples. I just mentioned of ulysses grant secretary of war. And i forget the guy's name or back in the adams administration of all things it'll be another one of those situations that added in. Its time was very emotional. People feel very strongly about it. The proceedings just kind of went away and there. It is just a piece of history but it's not like judicial precedent actually binds later proceedings. How long do you think it's gonna last any prediction. You know we give or take. I don't think there's much i mean. Everyone is familiar with the facts. The legal arguments have been laid. Albert clearly senators light to talk. So there's that you have to build in. But i think everybody involved democrat and republican cow wants to move on republicans wanna put it behind them and democrats want to get on with the agenda at the station. So i'd be surprised at what a whole lot longer than that now. We're very very very quickly. We're going to assign you as as lead. Attorney for either side does manage us. The the question is do you want to call witnesses and if so what kind of witnesses. Yeah good question on the health manager side. You might call call some people that were in the capital that were afraid of the group that was running around making current causing all the trouble That's not necessarily relevant to the legal issues but it does frame how important they are on the defense side. I'm not so sure about that. The president's the first candidate and he's probably not the person you wanna put with a stand and then beyond that. I'm not sure what the really is to ads the picture. I think your best Strategy there is a focus on the legal issues and the bigger picture. Knock it down to did gritty. Because that's kind of gross. Frankly is some terrible things star capital all right. David always a pleasure. Jim back with it during the process. Great david cole. Constitutional law expert from lynn. pinker hurston. Twig more he really does kind of clarify kind of crystallized situation and look back a little a little brief look back at history and what the constitution says and doesn't say very interesting and very helpful.

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11 Trivia Questions on Horsin' Around

Trivia With Budds

11:16 min | 2 years ago

11 Trivia Questions on Horsin' Around

"Year as well as high. I've got eleven questions for you on horses, because we're going to be horsing around this is trivia with buds. And welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. This show comes out every single day and I'm your host Ryan buds. You can check out more about me by going to my website trivia with buds dot com. It is linked in the show notes. If you want to click on your device, and just go right to the website to see all the cool stuff. I have going on, including a big Disney, marvel Star Wars show on Sunday, July seventh in Chattanooga. Tennessee venue, called the south side social field, anywhere down that area come and check out this amazing trivia night. We did it the same weekend last summer. We had eighty six players some looking to have at least that many if not maybe like a hundred. So that'll be tons of fun. If you live around the Chattanooga, Tennessee area, we get people to listen to this show from all over the world for my friend, Luke, all the way in Australia to my friends in Michigan to my friends in Canada and all around the country. And it's fun to see the map of all the places that down. Load the show, especially from the exposure, I got from doing pod quiz, maybe found me from listening to James in the UK. And you said, I'll check this guy out. I did a guest around on nineties pop culture on his show a couple of weeks ago, and my number shot up quite a bit. So if you're from pod quiz. Thanks for listening. You can hit subscribe for new episodes on your device every single day and today we're going to be doing eleven questions on horses and horse related things. This was a live trivia round. I did last week. And I'm just going to read the questions to you, and you can write down the answers, if you want some official trivia with buds answer sheet pads that is available in one of the rewards tears over on patriot dot com slash trivia with buds if you're brand new to the show, and you want to donate a buck, or more, you can get all kinds of cool stuff, and in July, we are officially switching a bunch of rewards to new things. So it's a perfect time to jump on board. If you're thinking about supporting the show, you have a few extra bucks per month, and you're like, what I think this is worth five or ten buck. Of my money to listen to this entertainment this trivia, stuff coming at me, then you can go to patriot dot com slash trivial. Buds and see all the fun stuff. We're gonna have a lot of cool things and some fan picked tears very soon and the easiest way to stay in touch with me is over in the discord app chat. We use this service called discord that a lot of gamers use, and for a dollar more you get access to that jet, and you can see what's going on in the world of pop culture from people that love this show and people that love trivia, if you are looking to come to alive event, go to trivia with buds dot com and click on all the location information, you can play bingo and trivia with me at seventeen different places around southern California every single week. So check all that good stuff out. All right. We're going to jump into this episode it's all about horsing around. It's eleven questions on horse related things. Here we go. All right, guys. Here we go attributed buds round on horse around answer these horse based questions. Here's number one who directed the two thousand eleven Oscar contender warhorse question, number one who directed the two thousand eleven? Oscar contender, warhorse? Question, number two, who had a two thousand thirteen pop song called dark horse, featuring juicy j number two, the two thousand thirteen pop song, dark horse, featuring juicy j. Number three. Black Jack is the name of a flying horse in what why a novel series by Rick Reardon. Blackjack is the name of a flying horse in what young adult novel series by Rick Reardon, number three. Question before if you're starting to gain, a chess, what pieces are directly in front of your night pieces on the board. If you're starting game of chess, what pieces are directly in front of the night pieces on the board number four. Question for five Maximus is a white horse found in what Disney film number five Maximus is a white horse found in what Disney film. Number six what Seattle rock band had songs called the funeral the great Salt Lake and is there a ghost number six what Seattle rock band had songs called the funeral the great Salt Lake and is there ghost. Question for seven video games. Oppo Mya is a horse. I found in what Zelda game number seven opponent is a horse. I found in what Zelda game. Question number eight what phrase originated from ball players? Cramping up number eight, what phrase originated from ball players cramping up. In number nine what decade did this series mister, Ed premier number nine in what decade did Mr. Ed premier? And number ten Santa, Anita park in Arcadia, California, famous racetrack opened in nineteen thirty four on what holiday, what holiday did it open. Your bonus question for two points, according to horse network dot com. What two presidents embraced, horses more than any other US presidents for two points, according to horse, network dot com, that seems official, what two presidents embraced, horses more than any other US presidents. Right. Those are your questions. We'll be right back in just a second with the answers to these horse related questions. Right here comes question. Number one for horsing around, who directed the two thousand eleven Askar contender warhorse, that was, of course, Steven Spielberg never saw that movie. But I wanted to 'cause I like horses. Number two, who had a two thousand thirteen pop song called dark horse, featuring juicy j that was Katy Perry member. Katy perry. She's still around making some hit songs, swish swish Bish number three blackjack is the name of flying horse in what why novel by Rick Reardon Percy Jackson and the Olympia, Percy Jackson never read those books, but I think I saw the first movie and it was a movie number four. If you're starting a game of chess, and you are. Looking at your nights. What pieces are directly in front of the knights pawns the whole role of, of pawns on either side of the board are in front of the knights number five Maximus white horse found, and what Disney film. It is tabled tangled number six. What Seattle rock band had songs called the funeral the great Salt Lake and is there a ghost band of horses. I don't think I've heard them band of horses. Number six a more Olympic kinda guy number seven opponent is a horse I found in what Zelda game. Oh, Carina of time number seven oak arena, time, I was at a park recently. And I saw a kid playing in oak arena leaning on a tree. And I'm like, all right. This is this is get a little extreme. If you like Zelda number eight what phrase originated, what ball from ballplayers cramping up, Charlie horse, they said that old horses were called Charlie's, and they would use these old horses to do different tasks on a baseball field way back in the day. And when they would move, they'd be kinda slow. So if you cramped up. And you got this cramp in your leg they would call you would call it a Charley horse in reference to those horses. So that's what I read that those interesting number nine and what decade did Mr. Ed premier the nineteen fifties late fifties? It was fifty eight to be exact number ten Santa, Anita park in Arcadia, California opened on Christmas in nineteen thirty four Christmas day and for do points, according to horse network dot com. What to president's embrace sources more than any other US presidents? The answers were Theodore Roosevelt, member of the rough riders cavalry, and Ulysses s grant. Ulysses grant and the door Roosevelt guys. Those are your questions on horse related trivia, hope you had fun answering those I would love to write some more questions based on things you're into maybe you love eagles or maybe you love bears or some other animal, and you're like where's the eagle and bear? Trivia Ryan will you can make me do it by donating five dollars or more on patriot dot com slash trivia with buds donate five dollars or more. And you can pick a topic. Just like my friend. 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186  Let Us Have Peace: The Life of Ulysses S. Grant (with Muffy Marracco)

Miss Information: A Trivia Podcast

1:07:42 hr | 2 months ago

186 Let Us Have Peace: The Life of Ulysses S. Grant (with Muffy Marracco)

"Hello and welcome to misinformation trivia podcast for ladies and gents who cooled trivia and sticking to annoying teams pop quiz. Where your hosts. Oh sorry we're your hosts mutual. And i'm julia. We're your hosts and welcome to the show. I'm just so excited. And i i can't stop myself. I'm just so pumped this is. I am in the presence. Virtually of a superstar attributed superstar a trivia. Which i would say is better. This is the most famous person we've ever had on the show easily by far and was also one of the last people. We lovingly embraced at the last public gathering of twenty twenty and then kickball. We are honored to be joined by mastermind. The historian mafi morocco. Welcome mafi welcome buffy. Welcome buffy you think you were so happy to have you on the show. How are you. How are things. Were so excited to have you on as a tv superstar. I am excited to be on. I you know sometimes. I recycle facts. That i learned from you on the tv. I learned thanks. I'd like to learn. No i'm great. I'm here in los angeles. It's just chugging along through this time that we live in. Tell us about your plus. Yeah i m the crazy lady with free dogs The eldest of whom is rocco morocco. The middle of whom is rex and the baby of whom is baloney sandwich. Baloney sandwich is a hand to god. The best dog named my whole life. It was always my mother's like Like speculative like a celebrity baby name or. She was dismissive adding their kids. Something like baloney sandwich. I love it it works. Your dogs are also very very cute. Have seen them on social media just precious babies and great photos with them like your christmas card photo. I think where like the three of you would like the fade out professionally done. I had like like the black looking off into the stars. Like mobile of us. Because you know what else get a single lady do except take glamor shots with dogs. That's that live in what i dream living the dream. That's what we all aspire to be. Honestly mafi you have it framed and put in your apartment Never date again. I would say you're better off but you're not just here to tell us about your stardom and your dogs. You are also here to tell us a little something that we can learn about because learning is fun. Yeah it is fine. I'm here today to talk about my favorite civil war. General one of my favorite americans ever s crammed right good. I admittedly have not. I don't know that much about ulysses are boy yuli as i'm going to call him from here on out but he ever call anybody ever dared gov yuli well i'll be the first. I the only thing i remember is like from elementary school. And like i know very little so this is this is an exciting moment for me and i know very lot because i'm a nerd on. Yes but you lose s grant. You might know him from the fifty dollar bill. You might know him. As the person who was buried in. Grant's tomb you might know him from episode thirty six generally speaking. It's very good very good. Thank you have other people. Pre reference episodes it's delightful. Yes and so in terms of what you could call him. Yes you could call him ulysses he was also you list to friends or sam like sam grant to friends. His wife called him godo or dhoti but as a child who's mocked as useless so long rude who call what you want. I guess so. Yeah i mean the demands dead. So that's a fair point. Let me actually start. I want to start with the life of ulysses grant closer to the end than the beginning. So i'm going to start. May six eighteen eighty four after the war after the presidency. After he has traveled the world he is basically retired living on the upper east side new york city and invested in his sons banking firm. Because it's the gilded age. It's what you do. He's basically now millionaire on paper Just sort of like hanging out run carey to that kind of thing but it turns out that it wasn't actually an investment firm. It was a ponzi scheme. Walks into the office on may sixth eighteen eighty four. his buck. Who was running. The farm helps them. There's no money left. War ended with everything. he was left completely destitute. He had the money that was in his pocket so he goes out of the house that morning. A millionaire in the eighteen eighty s walk home that evening. He has eighty dollars in his pocket. His wife julia has one hundred thirty dollars. Thank god yes so A stranger ends up sending them a check for five hundred dollars a note that read general i. Iou you this for apple. Maddox and that sort of sees them through the immediate crisis And then he doesn't know basically what else did do with himself because he is about sixty years old and he's he also had given up his military pension in order to become president Clearly army rather than retired so he basically has no income He has offered five hundred dollars to write articles for something called the century magazine. He's flaw for five hundred dollars a piece for four articles which is a lot. I mean even then it was about thirteen thousand dollars. Casa picks up. You know a piece right but it's still not enough if you've got like an upper east side townhouse in like So he starts writing. He writes these four articles about some of his battles around the same time he bites into a peach and he thought i was be on it. He feels an immense pain in his throat. But he ticks off seeing a doctor. Oh yes this is cliff hangers. Lauren drama. I'm i am. We're starting at the drama. It's i know started with. I am literally edge. Mice eight okay. So the magazine then offers him. He's written these four articles. He kind of enjoys it he gets into because he wasn't a writer didn't think there was interest in doing it He didn't think anybody would want to hear from him. Even though he was the winning general and a former president and like other people's written about it like his former assistant adam beddoe had written memoirs. And all these things so the magazine offers him basically a ten percent royalty no advance no guarantee. But he's like that's that's income. That's more than i've making. So he's Is going to agree to do it. But he's not the best businessman ulysses s grant so. He asked a good friend of his who happens to have some publishing experience mark twain. Get out and you can learn more about mark twain and episode forty. wanna talented in crotchety. Old man it's very good. It's very good so crotchety brought today. Yes so mar mark twain. They never good at business. The publishing company will go out of business but between had just started to publish his brand new book the adventures of huckleberry finn so Basically twain and grand met some years earlier You know struck up a friendship. Train was a little starstruck. He thought grant was so cool So when he hears about this deal the ten percent of you and like no advance no nothing. He says i didn't know whether to laugh or cry Basically he sees what the opportunity is that. I believe the only president prior to that who had written a memoir at that point was james buchanan. Who was a loser. And so nobody wants to read that so basically it would have been not just a president but the civil winning civil war general and someone who led a very interesting life so he jumps at the opportunity. He scoffed at it. Saying it's something they would offer. Any unknown comanche indian whose book they thought might sell three thousand or four thousand copies. He was very. He was very crotchety about it. That's understandable asks. May i publish it. grant if i was like oh a cancel the other people know and he's like come on. This is money right so He offered either twenty percent of sales or seventy percent of prophets and grant being not the best businessman. But a very sweet fella. He takes negotiated prophets. He doesn't want them to have paid him if they make money. God sales the better so he takes the slightly less generous deal. And that's basically how. You end up penniless during the gilded age so he starts writing over that summer but in october eighteen. eighty four. If you remember he's having increased throat pain he finally sees a doctor and is diagnosed with terminal throat cancer. Oh my god so now. He is writing against the clock. so it's he had been originally a pipe smoker then a cigar smokers sometimes a battle smoke up to late and chew on like twenty cigars a day but realizing now he's got he's got some time is running out as well as he's writing. There is a a rumor that twain wrote at somebody else wrote it or somebody else was involved. He did have help with fact checking and editing but he wrote the manuscript. It's in his own handwriting. It's in his handwriting. It literally written everywhere by himself There were some editing That's about it. And some fact checking but he wrote all of it. He only makes it through The war from his life through the war but first line of it is a corker. My family is american and has been for generations in all its branches direct and collateral. He's very straightforward. Yeah but a lot of people's praised the style too nice straightforward style. He just described his life. He's very descriptive. He was born in ohio kind of near. Cincinnati april twenty-seventh. Twenty two means is a taurus. Auburn yeah totally. Totally his Father was a tanner. Who's jesse root grant and his mother was named hannah simpson grant and she was just sort of reserved dutiful wife in the eighteen. Hundreds kinda late His really was hiram ulysses grant. If you've ever heard this so the name came about grandparents all the family put names in a hat. And they drew out hiram and you listeners. And that's how it ended up. But he was always called ulysses for you ulysses or useless or whatever by other people are real whiny name. You know what i mean. It is like your your tattletale named hiram. Yes higher room got the mythology g behind you all powerful And unfortunately the congressman. Who nominated him to go to west point because basically his father who was a you know. Good good old fashioned thrifty yankee Wanted him to get a call dedication but for free so he gets sent to the new relatively new Military academy but you get nominated by the congressman. He always just thought his name was ulysses grant and assumed his middle name was s simpson for his mother. So that's why he was ulysses s grant Didn't really bother grant you know. He got there. He tried to change approach to this is what's on the paperwork and then somebody pointed out that the name. Us grant in little bit better for military career than the initials hug. Even think of that walk around with trump grant. Yeah which is part of why it was sam grant. Y friends called him. Sam or oh okay. That makes sense. He was a you know at the military academy spree average student. He enjoyed math He was very good at drawing. Actually and he was an excellent horseman. He was always a very fond of horses. He actually used to make money as a kid. Like hauling things with horses. He just had one of those horse. Whisperer kind ways He said a high jump record at the academy that was Not not beaten for decades. He was very good on horses. Yes he didn't stay in the army. But you had to at first when you go to the academy You know he thought he might go back at some point and teach math there. That was about it. Unfortunately his grades were very good. So he doesn't make an into the cavalry or the engineer. He ends up being in the infantry but some of his fellow students while he was there were william to come so sherman. Oh george thomas. The hero of the rock of chicken maga george mcclellan who had been head of the union army's james long street who was robbery lease right hand man and his be the best man ilise wedding stonewall jackson and george pickett's charge basically every general that was in the civil war was there around then because they were the right age had the military history. So yeah it's always interesting when you think about the civil war these guys. These guys knew each other. They went to college together. Eight yeah the each other and had their all secret societies. And all that. I think the thing that i'm most surprised about is that he didn't seem at least at this point in his life very ambitious. He wasn't he he was. He did not not interested really like the college education like he kept. He said he was wishing that at the time there was talk of shutting down the military academy was seen as a sort of snooty european to have a military academy and a standing army and and he was like eagerly reading the newspaper. And i hope they shut this blaze. He also when he got his uniform. He got to go back for like a break at one point got to go back home. And he wore his fancied and He's walking around town like look at me and my swanky military uniform and he caught like a stable boy making fun of him hillock talked up their pants to look the same way and he basically became a committed slob thereafter. How he was like. I'm not going to get into fancy uniforms. Because he felt so embarrassed about being made fun of. Oh my god. What a sensitive boy. And he wasn't sensitive. Boy he didn't he. Wouldn't i mean if you wanna talk about sensitive No he didn't like to eat red meat The only time he got incredibly angry whoring a battle of the war was when he saw man beating a horse. Yeah no you don't wanna beat a horse in front of malices now. So he was very sensitive guy His roommate was a guy named fred. Dent who was actually from saint louis missouri. Which is where grant stationed after the war and he goes to have dinner with the family and he meets julia dead. Graham yes they fall in love so she is a little bit. Younger should be four years younger A little frivolous you know. A little bit like girly girl but very good humored warm You know sort of welcoming all that. They're falling for each other but He's now war with mexico is about to happen. Is they're going to be sent down to texas eventually in new mexico. He gets one final night of leave. But it's a stormy night. Just pouring buckets raining cats and dogs and other things And but he had a suspicion not suspicion he had a superstition. Which was he would hate it to retrace his steps he would not do a u-turn he just would always keep going or go round or keep going straight way. He just aired thought. It was bad luck right. So is this terribly stormy night. He probably should turn back but he thinks that's badly pushes on he like ford's. This stormy river gets to the house completely drenched manages to propose to her before he has to leave for mexico the next day or taxes at the time. Yes it turns out. He's gone for years. Oh no it wasn't easy to get around and you talk to mexico. Lord we're going to walk to mexico. I mean what am i doing now if you and i had to walk to canada even though it's even though it's you know it's right there by car. How the hell. How long is it going to take us to walk to canada a week and a half stuff. You got ta. Oh my god well you know what they did have tv not. So what's he doing. You know like you know. If only i could watch tv. Instead it doesn't exist. I will have to walked mexican. Yeah it's a title but yes they are happily married the rest of their lives. They ended with four children. Fred buck who was ulysses juniors called buckeye for being born in ohio. Nellie and jesse. She duly was slightly cross eyed. She's something called the business so she wasn't exactly a beauty as he was becoming famous during the civil war she looked into maybe trying to get some kind of surgery to correct it and they said it was basically too late in life and he forbade her he said. Did i not see you fall in love with you with these same is It was as long as you have but back during the mexican. American war base. He as being a quartermaster which is usually not a front line position but he is involved in basically every important battle Even at the battle of monterrey they needed someone to go get ammunition and he Got on a horse. Got off the saddle clung to the far side of the horse. Away from the enemy fire ran the gauntlet to go back and said we need an munition and came back. Oh my god. That's what he was with. Horses trusted him not me no but they trusted him but he actually did not support the the mexican american war he thought it was just unfair and basically bullying But he's basically ends up being stuck in the army. There's no up teaching position at west point he gets stationed various places they go from Sachs harbour up in new york state detroit. And finally he gets sent alone to northern california The only way to get there was you had to go down and rather than go around cape horn which you can learn more about in episode one forty seven. Come with me an escape. It's very good rather than do that. Thing crossed the isthmus of panama which was easier than sailing around south america but people hundred people died of disease doing that because there was yellow fevers and things like that so he did not want to take family. He ends up Crossing their northern california. It's very remote very. It's it's sorta board sort of sasquatch country like that like oregon california So he's there. He stuck there no family. The baby boy buck is born while he is away. Like julia sends him a trace of the baby's hands letter and it takes months for letters crying alone which is where we now address the elephant in the room. Hello elephant whether or not drunk i was. I'd not he's already. I didn't know it was like twelve cigars a day. And yeah i feel like the prevailing Thing about him that his the rumor that has endured was that he just he just drank all the time that he was drunk and battle that he was drunk as president that a-list functioning clearly. I couldn't do those things drunk. I mean i just wind up ordering things on amazon. That i regret exactly to so basically. He was often maligned as a drunk. He was really by the standards of the day. Not alcoholic when people drank with breakfast or medicine or basically blitzed all day long In eighteen thirty for instance when he's a child. The annual per capita consumption of alcohol in the united states was seven point one gallons per year to two point three gallons that's average per capita so there people exceeding the seven point one so he was really not an habitual drinker. He was basically an emotional drinker. Booze it up when he was sad and lonely never drank when he was around his wife or foul. Kay he was also a lightweight worth of whiskey and be like under the table. So there's a little bit of. I think that attitude that he wasn't a good drinker. It was sort of dismissive in that way and he was never proven to have been drunk when it mattered even days off or things like that a day during the war sent like the assistant secretary of war to sort of keep an eye on them. The guys like no no. He's a good guy doing his job. He's fine yeah so he was. So that's that's the rumor. That has persisted. Which i think is was an easy way to to put him down. Yeah but it wasn't really much of a drunk. If especially by the standards of the day they find something to yeah. Yeah but my i have to say. I'm sorry that everybody else can't see this. Buffy has a to t version of your screen behind her and he is smoking. That don't mean. I don't mean pipe smoke i mean. This man has a smolder on his face that yeah he get any gal in saint louis or yeah or for that matter or northern california. Yeah he's a real. You know civil war hero. I'd like to wink. Quill f- ankara general general guelff. A that's easier thank you. He's a is a great beard great. Bi he's gotten older he's got like oh eastwood from from from look I was going to say like a rakish cowboy kind of look. He has a very if you look at some of the young photos of him especially before he grew the beard. He had a like young robin williams or young. Kevin kline kind of i. I would kick him out of bed. You know what i mean. Oh although when he started the military academy who's five foot one he did about five foot nine. He was there how wild like an age man. I mean not not that not having height is bad. But you know you're entering the army life and it seems like you might be disadvantaged at that point well and it was very much that he felt like a like a frontier boy ohio ohio with a new state at that time and from somewhere like massachusetts and so yes he felt a little out of place there but yeah so he was. He was a handsome man. He was so he stationed in california for a few years. He basically tries to make money. Outside of being in the army he tried to grow potatoes on the field. Got washed out to bring down ice from canada and sell it and the boat got stuck in san francisco bay and all of the ice melted into like the opposite of a good businessman and that is just like everything is like a sad trombone. Mike this poor guy can't do anything right so he is really. He's very depressed. He's accused of being drunk on duty which he may have been. But it's kind of murky. His friend said look no. Go to get court martial. You'll you will be acquitted. Basically whatever it was that he was supposed to be pay master or something. It was like it was fine. You know whatever he didn't really want to stay in the army either side he didn't wanna fight it. But that's why. Those rumors of drunkenness. Persist leave under this cloud So you know. He doesn't have like a healthy relationship with alcohol. But it's by no means something that was part of his everyday life so he decides screw. This goes back He gets as far as new york and he has no money. He calls upon a friend from the academy. Simon boulevard. Some moolah as we can get back home gets back to saint louis with wife and kids. He built his own house. He builds a log house basically himself cutting down the the logs and spackling it together and all that his wife's father who was a slave owner had a plantation called whitehaven mockingly was put the sign up at his little like lumpy log cabin calls. It's a hardscrabble farm. oh that's cute But he basically has to work in real estate and he's too nice to collect. The rents ends up selling firewood on the streets of saint louis. He pawns his gold. Watch to buy christmas presents for his family. He didn't hurt and it's very henry and he inherited a slave from his father in law. Who was a man a grown man who would have been probably worth a thousand dollars at the time and he actually set him free rather than sell him even could use the money because he did not believe in slavery his father ulysses. Grant's father was a noted abolitionist okay. Julius father was a very proud slave owner. There's always all tension there in the family can imagine them like his grandfather actually knew like don brown and the brown powell allow okay because there were like twelve people in the nineteenth century. I mean fewer people then So he ends up having to ask for a job back in the family leather store which is now galena illinois. The his boss will be his baby. Brother was like fifteen years. Younger goes back he goes in. He doesn't even care. I just sort of sits in the store and they'll be like well. How much does that cost. He's like oh. I'd always like basically just getting by. Which is when lincoln is elected and civil war breaks out so grant ends up helping. The town organized their volunteers. They say you could be our captain. He's like well. I wasn't the captain in the regular army now with volunteers i should have a higher rank. Goes down to try and get a position and they ignore him in illinois and he goes to ohio and george mcclellan won't even he sits in the waiting room. All day mccall. Won't even see him the goal. Yeah the rumor of him. Being a loser just won't go away and does mcclellan was a little small. Yeah he was yeah. It's not so he's doing paperwork. Helping like you know. The war caused getting the men. Mustered in 'em u. s. t. e. r. e. d. not end u. s. t. a. r. to know. Finally they have this troublemaking unit the regiment. The twenty-first illinois who are like not obeying roles and just running wild and like stealing chickens in the neighborhood and that kind of thing like nineteenth century troublemakers. Rapid the frat boys illinois men. They kept shouting. That might not have happened. It's great he goes in. He's very matter of fact guy you know doesn't care about like saluting and all that kind of thing. But he goes in and he just walks in says. Go to your quarters and there's loud loudmouth that comes up and he's like tell me what the emma let grant to simply halls often dexin since the guy to the ground and says cody your quarters and they all went to their tents. Nice so he very quickly. This is his first time really in command. He really quickly learns what it takes. We first time out leading men. He was incredibly nervous. He said he'd describes how his heart was rising his throat. They get to this encampment where they're supposed to engage in battle and they're gonna have taken off in the middle of the night and he realizes that the enemy was just as scared of him as he was as the enemy is now like a principle that guides him which is like. I've got guys with guns to i can be fearsome so he ends up He's out in the western theater like illinois down the mississippi kind of staff. His first small skirmishes eighteen sixty one. He gets promoted to brigadier general from colonel In eighteen sixty two the battles of fort henry and donelson which is where he earns the nickname of unconditional surrender. Grant so the commander that is left in charge of the fort's is his pal. Simon bolivar buckner who had lent him money. Oh yeah i'm buckner sends him a message through like what are your terms and he says no terms unconditional. Surrender my only terms. I propose to move on your works immediately so the his friend has no choice but to be like okay my man okay. But it's very sweet When dr comes out he greets him like a friend and he says i understand. You're away from your family. If you need any money now let me know. that's nice. yeah they were. It was weird. They could wade horrible war against each other and be like. Hey buddy. hey yeah such a strange time. Yes So he basically keeps wade winning babbel's basically engaging battles while in the east it's either they are flip-flopping using different commanders. They're losing battles or they. Don't follow up on victories. He's in charge at the battle of shiloh which was at that point the bloodiest battles ever been waged in the The america's Something at that time like it's you know compared to the rest of the was like seven thousand casualties or something They were sort of taken unaware that day by the confederate army The first day is horrific. The reigning at night and sherman wound. Costa sherman says to him. Like it's been such a terrible day the devil's own day. Just granted says yeah. We will look him tomorrow and he did. He would never lose that. Like confidence and ability to move forward and battle he was he never faltered. He's never uncertain about it. He is in the siege of vicksburg which was like a fortress overlooking the mississippi river. And basically what he does there. That's really unusual. It's like he's sort of part of it being that he doesn't like to retrace his steps. He tries coming from the north. And there's big bluffs. He can't go that way. And then there's a river and you can't really go from there because they had begun pointed that way and he's like well. Why can't i go from the east. Just because it's like you know. Land were they are so he sh- like sales that they run the gauntlet lee sailed past vicksburg. Come at it from the south attack to the east. Get rid of the capital jackson mississippi and then just head towards vicksburg and just lay siege and his undefended because they were defending from the river and what he did there. That was unusual was he. Didn't he cut supply lines which you never do in army. You're supposed to army. And he realized there was plenty of you know hogs and chickens and things in the area and could feed his army that way. So that's how he managed to get. It was basically the last lynch pin in the center of the mississippi river and he freed up the entire so he freed up the mississippi river and it cuts the confederacy in be oslo. Texas and arkansas. Were they were getting a lot of their food from like they weren't battlesites. But that's the cavalier Basically he is like the only one who is fighting and winning battles wins in chattanooga. He's promoted to lieutenant. General which is the highest rank. Anyone has achieved since general washington. How and as pointed to basically a four star general at this point and becomes head of the army's and moves east to take charge against robert ely so in eighteen sixty four he fights against lee He sends a an every other person who had battled lee. I three other general. Basically would face him lose run away with their tail between their legs regroup that hire new general like it was the sort of repeating pattern. It sniffs pok mon lauren. Okay i get it now. But grant does not do that. He just keeps fighting and he sends a telegram lincoln. I propose to fight it out on this line if it takes all summer which it does it takes more of basically the next year. There's a siege. Finally he they make a break for it at the end. There's a few last battles. And then there's lease eventual surrender in eighteen sixty five at apple matic's lee shows up his perfect dress uniform. He has like a new clean uniform. Because he's expecting he's going to be taken prisoner tried for treason and all these things and grant shows up at like a mud spattered like private's uniform. It's like the contrast between the two men but grant offers incredibly generous terms. He was actually very popular in the south. After the war he paroled them in rather than made them prisoners. He let officers keep their side arms and horses and basically when they go out after the surrender like some of his solar celebrating and they want to settle cannons and things and he goes no no no no celebrating forbids that because he appreciates the effort that they had put in But you know one of the other accusations against him is that he was a butcher that he was heedless with his men in battle not true because he took vicksburg barely had any casualties and he took it fighting against lee. He had equal casualties till the part of what was important was one lee. Couldn't really replace. His men and the north did have more rain because this was a civil war it wasn't about like territory it was about willingness to fight and the other important thing is not only the willingness to fight but it was more men were dying of disease in camp denying about it and it was an incredibly costly war so for every three soldiers killed in battle. Five died of disease. Wow and it was a hundred ten thousand union. Soldiers died in battle. Two hundred twenty four thousand died of disease. And i'm like gosh similar almost in the in the confederate And in terms of cost around the beginning of the words but one point five million dollars a day in eighteen ninety. Oh my gosh. It was about three point. Five million dollars a day and the american government became the first government to spend more than one billion dollars in a single year. Oh congratulations we're yeah. Yeh so So yes so. Even though he there were many casualties in battle it was also with the goal of ending the war. Which is i mean. that's what you're there for it right And one of his What are the union soldiers. Describe graham this way which was grant habitually wears an expression as if he had determined to drive his head through brick wall and was about to do it. Oh i want that on my tombstone. Smoldering look comes from having a diva's anyway but yes and he was really a competent. General could take risks could be decisive. He was very calm under fire At one point like a cannonball land near and he just started looks up and goes little. See what see what like they're using. I want to know what they have like. He doesn't look Anybody who was also a devoted family man when they were in the siege of petersburg leading up to the final months of the war juliane and the kids came to stay with him and he will be writing military dispatches and the two younger children just bit crawling all over him and his dad under his desk and then Yes so he gets through the war. He ends up becoming president After andrew johnson He doesn't get to that in the memoirs he was and it's something where he was until recently Maligned is one of the worst presidents that there's some rehabilitation of his presidency. Since then there admittedly where many scandals none of which implicated him. He was germs to sweeten dumbed like good. Butter was like the whiskey ring. Gold panicked things like that. He was not a politician but in many ways kind of quota held the country together. Yeah just actually popular north and south. Yeah exactly because of just hit just his personality his reputation it had nothing to do with his ability as a politician or whatever yeah and he was very bad at the politician but he has some great people like hamilton fish. With the secretary of state They have some successes like the passage of the fifteenth amendment They he crushes the clam by using the federal army. When state governments wouldn't do it and He safeguard the rights of african americans to vote. He appointed the first african american Foreign minister to haiti Basically he was very much in favor of civil rights for all and Unfortunately after his two terms which was the standard of the time you know and sort of set by george washington. They elect brother for days. Which was that crazy. Tie and part of the negotiation is basically reconstruction's going to end so everything falls apart. Yeah so after that. It's sort of awkward. That he's he's very young. At that point he was the youngest president thus elected. He was only like forty six. We still kind of young doesn't have an army anymore so they don't know what to do with them. He until they decided to go on a tour around the world. That's what i do. Yeah do you get your wife. Get kids see the world get your trump with. Us grant stamped on it only slowly everywhere but it was like boats and things no they go they go basically most of western europe they go through egypt and the holy land they go up through russia and india china japan the end. It's about two years two and a half years out. They end up skipping australia. 'cause they're getting a little homesick everywhere he went. He saluted by you know he throngs of regular people who are just thrilled to see like a regular guy who succeeded so much but he also liked dines with queen victoria and the kaiser hobnob with royalty and regular folks alike. He comes back eighteen. Eighty trying to run for president again. It doesn't really take off so let's eight hundred eighty eight four. He's just doing his thing in new york city until he loses money. So that's where we come back to where he's writing the memoirs and there is a wonderful picture of him which i have framed on my wall be pretty frame matted and everything but it's grant writing his memoirs. It's about a week unless it a month. Sorry obama before his death. He's all swaddled up and on this chair of porch of this house in Upstate new york. And he's writing by hand his memoir so he just writes every day trying to get out as much as he can. He writes about three hundred and thirty thousand words in less than biking tank. He finishes the manuscript around like july eighteenth nineteenth and eighteen thousand five so just a little over a year since lost the money and i felt pain and he dies four days after finishing the manuscript. Hit also lost something like forty pounds. He was unable to do any eat or drink. Basically by you can only communicate by written notes. He could not even speak and one of the notes he left behind. Says the fact is. I think i am verb. Instead of a personal pronoun verb is anything that signifies to be to do to suffer. I- signify all three. Oh my gosh. That's i recommend the long but they're readable memoir has a memoir military history but he's a very clear straightforward style. You know he tells some fun stories. He has a slightly wry sense of humor. He tells a story about when he went to. He wanted a horse when he was a kid and his father is like the good like thrifty yankee and ulysses's bad with money ryan so does father's you can go buy the horse. Tell them you give them twenty. And if he won't take that say twenty to fifty and if he won't take that twenty five so ulysses youngest he shows up and he says the guy. So papa says i'm to give you twenty twenty two fifteen twenty five and he says you can figure out what i paid for the horse. Bless him he and he never learned no no no way we. Yeah yes so. He as they so. A twain sends out salesman to basically sell the book by subscription before it's even published so he sort of knows that it selling gets people to invest put in the money beforehand. And there's the deluxe edition the regular edition. They sell three hundred and fifty thousand copies. Approximately which was about four hundred fifty thousand dollars in royalties for julia would be equivalent to about twelve dollars today. Oh my gosh. He left her in good shape in terms of Having written it basically to make sure that she was taking care of after having lost all the money his funerals initial funerals eighty five through about a million people that turned out new york city. The procession was seven miles long. It took about five hours. Oh my gosh yeah. It was like sixty thousand people marking the army. I mean different veterans all of that and by his request his pallbearers equally divided between union confederate generals sherman buckner and johnston to to union to confederate generals stand equally and they carried him for seven miles. No he was on okay. That was got him in the end walking to mexico so they agreed to make the site for grants to so they build so they collect money for it. It's the largest private like large mausoleum in. I think the western hemisphere who in north america. So they can call grant's tomb. It's actually not underground so much but it's the lurch muslim in north america. He did not want to be buried at west point or arlington national cemetery because he wanted julia buried by his side. And those are military only So if you go to graphs tomb which i have cried. It's a big beautiful. You know Stone edifice. And you know this is big building with columns and you go in. And they're sort of an upper level that has some displays and then down below are there to sort of their red marble scherzer guy of them side by side And what. I love is emblazoned. Above the entrance to the tomb is what was his campaign slogan when he ran for presidency which was let us have peace fats. Wonderful and so. They're concludes the story of ulysses grant. I didn't know the first of all thank you mafia that was wonderful secondly i didn't realize how emotionally charged. This episode was. Thank you for that. That was great. That was that was say very good. That's why he called the historian lauren. Yeah she's the historian foreshore wonderful. Thank you so much. That was great. I just you know and i. He and lincoln had a wonderful relationship. And i think it's just that he was a i love us just like regular guy. Yeah well just wife loves. Kids could wage horrific war really just didn't want to go. Yeah just a reluctant hero for sure. Yeah for sure. Yeah well mafi. I hear that you have a quiz for us. I do i do so. It's hard to spend something off from this. But i try to go with trueblue in honor of the color of the uniforms of the united states army during the civil war here ten questions involving the color blue excellent number one which artists had a notable blue period from one thousand nine hundred one thousand nine hundred ninety four during which he produced such works as the old guitarist and woman with folded arms number two in which nineteen forty seven academy award. Winning song is mister bluebird on my shoulder. The film this song comes from combines live action animation and the starter for slavery during reconstruction and has never been released on home video question three in the film version of the devil wears prada miranda priestly. Devastatingly dismisses andy's nummy blue sweater by describing fashion influence noting that small just blue smoke turquoise it's not lapis it's actually what color the name for. This color comes from the latin for the color of the sky question for making blue. Fireworks is a tricky proposition and it requires adding which metallic element to the mix. This element has the atomic number. Twenty nine is popular in electrical wiring but only makes up two point five percent of an american one cent piece. These days question thought a famed color matching system which has been making design easier since nineteen sixty three named classic blue or number nineteen dash four zero five two as the color of the year for twenty twenty this company praised this shade of blue for quote instill in calm confidence in connection this enduring blue hue highlights our desire for dependable and stable foundation on which to build cross the threshold into a new era name. This company devoted to consist colors question. Six in the beloved monty python sketch about a dead parrot. What species was the bird claim to be. He wasn't dead. Of course he just where we pining for the fjords weston seven in which award-winning amc tv show. That ran from two thousand. Eight thousand thirteen was the major product at the center of the lead characters empire known as blue sky be blue lou magic or fringe. Question isn't elvis presley covered and made it hit out of the song blue suede shoes however it was written by and first recorded by which other performer often called the king of rockabilly. He joined presley. Jerry lee lewis and johnny cash as part of the nine hundred and fifty six million dollar quartet recorded at sun records studios on december question. Number nine forever bluejeans. The word denim comes from the french town of mean fabric was from me more benin but the durable fabric was especially popular with sailors from which northwestern italian port city leading to the nickname genes for the blue trousers sported. The city is also famed for pesto. So mommy and christopher columbus question number ten what marine bird with distinctive feet is native to the tropical regions of the eastern pacific ocean ranging from the gulf of california to peru about half of all breeding pairs nest in the galapagos islands. And it's slightly embarrassing. Name is probably derived from a spanish word meaning stupid. We'll give everybody about a minute to think about it and then murphy will be back with our answers down bad them the gates over. Stay this brom dragging me down a damn and that was a very good quiz there a couple of your pick quiz then couple that i'm like about this. You were so much better when we can answer questions together. You're telling me oxo's myself question. One which artists had a notable blue period from one thousand nine hundred ninety four painting. Things like the old guitarist and woman with folded arms. I'll take it That is pablo picasso seat. That is true. We he was in france. I think florida said before like that. Poster of the old man with the guitar was on every college boy's dorm room wall in the early two. Thousands yeah yeah like. He was really like introspective studio. Really artistic yes. this is. He wasn't a bit of a depression so he painted blue paintings. Which apparently nobody really wanted a bunch of depressing blue paintings on their walls and didn't sell very well. It was followed by his much happier rose period where he's a lot of pinks and reds and orange. Which is totally my vibe question to in which nineteen forty seven academy award winning song is mister bluebird on my shoulder. The film this song comes from combines live action animation in astrologer for slavery during reconstruction and has never been released on home video. Do you remember. I this zippy dude off from Song of the south is yes. Song of the south was based on the ankle. remiss tales. Happy living down on the plantation Little stories are like fables featuring animals and it inspired the ride splash mountain. Oh yes. I didn't know that song of the salad. So there's they removed a lot of the markers ashore of the actual film but you can. Here's a. b. Dude i play while you wait in line endlessly. Wow that sounds great. God do not enjoy the flu. M- rides no. Because i don't if i wanted to sit around damp pants the rest of the day. I you know exactly especially yeah. We're jeans and if you all went theme park in the ninety s you were wearing jeans. Shorts most like really. that's it. You went on a water ride early in the day. forget it. you are just chafing. You're changing and sitting in damp jeans all day. I tried wants to put like a garbage bag over myself. And they get it gets in no good. No no question. Three in the film version of the devil wears prada maranda priestly. Devastatingly dismisses andy's lumpy blue sweater but describing fashion influence noting that it's not just blew. It's not turquoise it's not lap is it's actually what color now. This is one of my favorite movies. And i and i don't know if lauren happen to see it in the last couple. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. Hasn't seen the devil wears product. Even though i think that miranda priestly is one of her spirit animals. I know i know the answer to this. Lauren do you. Do you have a hazarded. Guests was azure. But i think i'm wrong. The answer is i got to see this movie i. I don't know how you haven't seen it. Take bro from your british murder mysteries. Sit down for an hour and forty two minutes at night. The national treasure that has meryl streep and stanley tucci in the double westbound. Oh yeah i love the two i just. I don't know why i haven't. I just do streep do you do. Do you like apps. Hathaway looking like a fool do you. Emily blunt talking about eating cuba. Cheese then is for you. I know it's totally for me. I just. I don't know. I don't know what happened to me. I don't know what's happening to me you you too busy with you know. I'm sure something active. No off rebound inspector morris or something for like the fifteenth time. I always end up watching the golden girls again just comforting but yes seru leeann. There was a crayon introduced by crayola in nineteen ninety million. They had they got rid of colors and they brought in. Vivid tangerine jungle green seru leeann fuchsia danny lyon till blue royal purple and wild strawberry. It was a great addition though all of those killers. Oh yes they got rid of raw umber j. No-one no-one breaking hearts over that maze of maze. No one's missing maze question for making blue. Fireworks is a tricky proposition and it requires adding which metallic to the mix tonic number. Twenty nine paul. Hiller electrical wiring but only two point five percent of american one cent piece. I just i just got it in my brain box is a copper copper you so You know because chemistry stuff. That i don't really understand when you different elements released different colors during combustion so strontium is red. Calcium is orange sodium yellow and barry green but blue is very difficult to makes a lotta time directly seeing like a sort of purply blue when it's like interesting interesting. I love that stuff like that. Like how like what. Color people added to glass to like make different holders colors fireworks. I love that stuff and this is stuff that goes boom boom. So it's not easy to just experiment. Exac exactly question. Five a famed color matching system which has been making design easier since nineteen sixty three named classic blue or number nineteen dash four or five to as the color of the year for twenty twenty name. The company devoted to consistent colors. I'm gonna let julia take this one. It's paying tone. It is from the greek basically pan meaning all colors off identified one thousand eight hundred sixty seven solid colors to standardize shades on uncoated coated papers lot of color zeus when they announced i don't i don't remember what the twenty twenty one caller of the areas. I actually just checked. It's a bright yellow and a very salt lake. Sort of solid light gray. Yeah yeah and everyone was like blonde. And because twenty twenty sucked and every was disappointed with the twenty twenty one to because they're like really just blew but honestly they can't they can never win like there's never anything that everyone rallies around like. Hooray finally light purple. You know like it just mays. I'm gonna proposed the raw numbers for twenty. Sent m a letter. As birt's yana or that i do like that. There is a crown that is titled mac and cheese. Yes that's a good one it's actually. It's quite accurate. I would agree with Question six and the beloved monty python sketch about a dead parrot. What species was the bird claim to be. He wasn't dead. of course. just merely pining for the fjords. I i have a gas to you. have a gas. Your s my guess is mccaw. I was gonna say. Norwegian blue blue a good job. Beautiful prevents is a norwegian parrot. That's actually for the eighth episode of their first season. It's very classic monty python. I was actually going to try and get a casablanca question out of this so the viable cafe to rick's cafe. American is the blue parrot. And of course we all know that came to casablanca for the waters but he was misinformed. Wow you really brought that back. I got chills to god. See this is why you're on tv. She's a screenwriter and everything No question seven in which award-winning amc tv show. That ran for five. Years was the major product known as blue sky. Big blue blue magic freemen's blue. I got this led lord. Okay yeah please take it. Because i put three question marks this breaking bad. It is moved blue and in the final scene of the series. The baby blue by bats anger plays. Oh my blue enough. It's josh's favorites freer show. So even only have ever seen like three episodes total. Because it's a little too violent for me for my. I agree but he showed me a couple episodes that i would like it. I have. I have enjoyed them. But i i appreciate the cinematic quality absolutely and also the tips on how to make math. I'm sure you absolutely file that away for later to buy sudafed and like i have to give them my like my driver's license twice a year for my bi yearly sinus infections. I'm like oh. I guess you guys are gonna put me on the meth list. Now we like sometimes the pharmacist last pence. They don't trotskyist too little and scratch yourself really really see what happens next polo club a hair. It right question eight. Elvis presley covered and made a hit out of the song. Blue suede shoes however was written by and first recorded by whichever performer often called the king. Rockabilly he was part of the million dollar quartet with elvis presley. Jerry lee lewis. Johnny cash I i have a guess and i. I'm pretty sure. I'm wrong with teargas. My guess is roy orbison. But he wasn't really rockabilly. He was crying like country rock. I think i was thinking buddy. Holly ooh buddy always a good guess but yeah. There's just a guess i would go with buddy holly over roy orbison for sure. Okay all right. That's already answer ruffie. That's all right. Okay no it was carl perkins. Oh and he is You know they. I think the beatles covered a couple of his songs. He was one of those sort of proto rock. The million dollars four tet was an impromptu jam session between these four incredibly talented guys And blue suede shoes. It was a perkins actually was playing somewhere and he saw a guy on the dance floor like rebuke his partner for like basically stepping on his shoes. And that's where the song came from. I was like oh you can dance baby. But don't don't don't let us watch the kicks exactly questioned nine forever in blue jeans. The word denim comes from the french toast of neem. But the durable fabric was especially popular with sailors from which northwestern italian port city famed for pesto salami and christopher columbus pylon jonah. Oh a new name. A kind of salameh your salami lauren o. Genoa of course. Buffy knows me knows that she can be like no lauren. Name your meats. Only a door geography. Just be i know salon. And that's the way to get it. Because i was like i was trying to envision the booth where is that like the neat no lauren. It's the salami salami every time yes so. There are a lot of salaries from genoa. Wear these blue jeans. And so the french name for the city was june so became gene. There's actually seventeenth century paintings of a poor people like peasants in blue denim gorman's the sort of frayed white part of the weight threads says by a painter who is unknown and is only as the master of the bluejeans. Oh wow yes. So they are. It's quite an old fabric but has only become sort of funky in more recent years interesting yes And question ten. What marine bird. With distinctive feet is native to the tropical regions of the eastern pacific ocean ranging from the goal california to peru slightly. Embarrassing name is probably derived from a spanish word meaning stupid. I mean that's a. That's a blue footed booby right. It sure is so the males with their little feet up and down in a mating dance. The blue the feet i guess the the honky or the bird but they are supposedly very gullible easily cough so they have the name. Bobo meaning stupid. Was booby say poorly guy. they just they just stylish. Yeah nothing wrong with it. Shows up on their blue suede shoes. Exactly tastic quiz. Thank you buffy. Great thing for teaching us all about you ve us graham. The i held my missile back a bit. I could've could've been like four times as long. Because i'd be like well when he had sandwiches. No you really could have gotten super granular super. Granular graham. Show hi five. Thank you so much. Is there anything that you would like to plug on our vast reaching show. Well you can see me. Four pm weekdays on game masterminds for the most part or some sort of not in and yeah. Catch my trivia stylings on the tv. And that's about it awesome. I mean that's that's great. I mean you're a you're a regular on a game show. That's more than a lot of people can say that. So you know i'd say The fact that i'm named murphy and willing to clap a lot has really served out the public. Are you there easily easily entertained. And if you find your niche who cares and you have a mouse named after you hear. I do have a mouse named after me Two boys named their pet mouse mafi morocco. She even got her own stocking at christmas. I'm just oh. Wow wow and there was a there was also a foster kitten. Mafia and my honor. The foster kitten in the mouse do not meet. That would be tragic but really my life's goal. Which will working. Towards as. I want panda named after him. Oh yeah. I bet that'll happen happen for you ever. Did you ever get to meet a panda. I did get to meet of house in eighteen use. My winnings for who wants to be a millionaire went to china that with panda fed fed. Carrots panda cleaned all penn. Wow you really got the full experience. I sure did from from feeding to the other side. Yeah you really went through the entire gastrointestinal test system. I had a student who taught me to say. I love you. Panda chinese and so. I'm sitting next to. The package is going well i needed about. I mean you never know girling. It's the dream wonderful. That's the please. Please let us polo it can do. I can do it in the chat right now. coming through. this is one of my photos. Oh my god look at how excited you are beside yourself. Yeah you had him very quiet after they look perfect brown just like little pom-pom of an ear and i just went. I like yeah like a little teddy bear on my. That's a great photo was my. That was my my wins. With mama mma gameshow. Money's hey it's worth it totally worth it. Well thank you mafi. We totally appreciate it. You're welcome back on the show. Honestly anytime you want. We'd be more than happy to listen to you. 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Ginormous Food, Gigantic Cancellation: The Josh Denny Interview

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Ginormous Food, Gigantic Cancellation: The Josh Denny Interview

"Real people real interviews. I just have to say that. I object strenuously to your use of the word larrea. Hard hitting questions. What do you think about pessimism taking you to the cutting edge of truths. Yeah well last yet. Is one of the worst movies ever made. And it was very clear. That ryan johnson doesn't like star wars kyle pulls no punches. I wanna ask how how you're able to sleep at night. He's an brings bone shattering common sense from the top rope. Double dare you. This is the babylon be interview. Show battle ambi- interview show is beginning right now right here right now. A no and today. We're talking to josh denny. We try little diversity in the show so we asked the white guy to come on though. He's a gender and he's also jinja. He's more in my weight range which i've always feel like the fattest guy in the room still. I still was but like you invited him. Yeah really you know. That's every fag. I walked through and goes by the fattest guy in this room. So you find someone. that's a little more. You feel a little bit better. Yeah got it got it anyway. So yeah so in. Josh worked in the food network. He got paid huge food and he had a show called chinese food and he ate he john lewis food and It was cool and so we talked a lot about that. I'm kind of fascinated by paid to eat. Huge food was wanted to know how you get paid to. do that. Sounds like you had a lot of personal reasons marrying jeff all right. Well you can check out. Josh's comedy judged any comedy dot com. And you can support them josh. Deni dot locals dot com all right. Let's bring him in do it. It'll come into this chair here. Food liberty comedy all areas of expertise for our guest today. Yeah now those pretty good right. Yeah that's great sounds very. I don't know if i'm an expert on controversy. I think he tell by looking at me. I'm definitely pretty pretty proficient in the food. So if somebody asked me the other day they're like what your qualifications that got you. A food show is like well. This is my body literal body of work. That is my instant shown. Ask like how do you get the show where you're the guy that eats the biggest food there is The answers i got very lucky. I mean i would. They have hired a skinny guy. I don't know. Probably not now. That i think about well. You know what's interesting is i think. I fit to criteria at the time that they were casting my show. Because if you look at the guy who was hired to do a show right. After me was casey webb who is the host of the rebooted man versus food. He's a fat guy to okay. So either they literally got him as like a backup josh denny or i think the woman in development who developed both shows and rebooted. That one has a thing for chunky. Ginger sow or he's associates. Yeah but i mean she. She was the one who Did like bert the conqueror and so she kind of gave birth crushers for show so. Yeah i don't know i think. In general they just like fat silly guys but do they like scout you out like they show up. But you're you're doing stand up like hey we think we we like you know. It was totally random the way it happened so i had started like food comedy. Podcast probably like a year. Before i ever heard from anybody and i just got this random email from a woman who had this little production company at a nashville or knoxville. And i was like this is i. Was somebody trolling me. This isn't real and she's like. Yeah we we are interested in looking at you for possible show and i was like okay real funny and self tape self tape during the whole time thinking. This is fake this. Their website was like a splash page. And it was like okay. This is somebody with an elaborate trick and then turned out it was real and then we ended up shooting a sizzle and then Got a pilot shot. A pilot was supposed to be a travel channel show and then kathleen finch. The president of scripts at the time was like no. I think this is a food network show and then we got pushed over the food network so it was like this really kind of magical twelve month. Period of going from being a completely unknown due to having one of the top news shows on their network. So it's just a very very lucky you know Stream of events. And you know. I'm definitely grateful for it was a fun time and a total blast like making a show like that is harder work than you think but it is as fun as you think it is did you. Did you originally thinking you've gotta eat the whole thing. Yeah i i thought we well. We didn't know what the show is gonna be like part of the process unless you're like an established person pitching clearly defined idea. Part of the process is like sort of them sitting back and assessing you like livestock. What are we going to do with him. And they were like well. Let's see how much we can shoving his face and then they're like well. Let's just we have that show already. That's another guy. But what if we have some of it in his face and then we shove it in strangers faces and he makes commentary and they're like that's a new thing. Let's do that. So that's what the show became. Part of the reason it became was because that was being a comedian that was more entertaining like doing crowd work. So they liked the footage of me riffing with people and kind of messing with people while they're making a fool of themselves trying to eat a ten pound burger and then that that's sort of became the show so the show wasn't even really the show until it was done if that makes sense like kind of developing as you go and they cut The company i worked for lucid. They cut like four different shows. Basically and then. John ormuz food was the one that ended up being sold. So it's kind of weird how that process works but you have a lot of these sort of boutique. Production companies that that all year round. they're just conceptualizing shows finding people to host them and seeing what sticks so. It's kind of like a dartboard approach Do you hold any guinness records for food consumed now. I generally try to do all of my record setting consumption in private good shameful america i. It's funny because when the when the show i started i was like the only the only scandal i'm looking forward to having like when tnz catches me in a dark parking lot at three in the morning just power shredding burritos get out of here. Don't look at me. I thought that was gonna be my scandal. Video is like kevin hart cheating on his wife in that car on the other side of the parking lot. Go film him. I thought it'd be a scandal. Few be like if you're eating a little tiny bowl. Well you know what's funny is that was like that. So this is what was hilarious is at when we did this show in the beginning. This is what people don't realize when you sign a futures contract they do this massive deep dive in your background and so before we ever launched show. I had a conference call with like the president of the network their hr their pr All of their people and they literally like went through my tweets and my comedy and everything like. How are we going to address any of this. If it comes up and go the blanket answer is. I'm a stand up comedian. It should not be taken seriously etc. And they go okay. Well we just don't want any outrage about this. When the show launches and the show launches and their two points of outrage one was that we were wasting food and there were literally thousands of comments. There are starving children in africa man. You're just wasting all this food and in reality we probably wasted less food than most food shows because we would give it away to the entire restaurant And so almost everything we got eaten or taken home with people whereas like in a competition. Show everything you see that gets caught gets thrown away all of it and particularly like a new york. They're not even allowed to give to homeless people because of the stuff that they do to make it look good considering that inedible glued together liability and yeah. It's this weird thing for people. He's he's faking. It looked cut away every time he bites into it. Yeah because i have a beard and like if you've ever seen a guy with a beard like you know what it's like you have a beard. Yeah you take a bite of a giant burger. You come up there sauce all over your face. Nobody wants what. Am i going to do less like completely sauce beard. And you've talked hammer like this next thing you know we're gonna. It's like yeah. It's called editing morons. I like the idea that You know feeding the people that upset about you know. You should be this to the hungry. Okay this massive. You know thirty miles sub sandwich now. Let's see what the people in africa i think of this. You see it being airdropped into a village. Don't even see common exactly hot. Yeah and then. Civil war breaks out there who gets the sandwich parachute you talk to them. Yeah i would love to do that. Would go to the third world airdrop a massive pizza the size of villa. Yeah but that's the funny thing is you'd go. There's enough to feed everyone and then one tribe would be like no we kill them. We take certain wars flowerbeds. We have enough for everybody like when people say there's image like there's all these kids around your table and there's a trash can and and you're looking at them here known trash can Well it's so funny and there were times are we. There was one where we were filming like a remote and we were doing it outdoors. We this giant burger and There was a homeless guy who came up. Y'all gonna throw that away. We're like no you can have it. He's a guy. I don't eat meat. I know that sounds like a cliche made up story. I don't eat meat. Which is like what. I might be able to sell it to another homeless guy that does like dude. We're gonna leave this on the edge of the trash can do with it. Whatever you wanna do by the way it has bug repellent on it. Because we had we couldn't have flies in the shot and he's like fine. We all like south carolina. He's like you can't even food with bug repellent on you died years ago out this grizzled homeless beck's vet is just like a bug repellent on everything anyone you spray bug repellent on the food. Yeah yeah to keep away from it because nobody wants to see. You took a giant burger in front of a civil war monument. Probably in bad taste for the show at the sites already. We didn't really. It's so funny there's like we're worried about some of your jokes that you do as a stand up. Comedian stand in front of ulysses grant and hold up this burger. That could feed the entire city. Do you ever eat something that you like. This is gross. I don't like it be retenue like there was one place in mobile. Alabama was like this beer garden and so this is like there was a whole scandal around this episode. That i didn't even realize and i was pretty pissed off about it. Turns out and this is something you never think of sometimes food so what happened at this restaurant was defy local food. Supplier wanted to be on tv and he paid the restaurant that we had auditioned to be on the show to let him be the chef on the show. This guy wasn't even a trained chef. So we get in there and like this guy doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't know how to fry things. He doesn't know how to cook things. I mean like when i'm telling somebody to something and i'm supposed to be the comedy relief for the show. There's a problem and so like he hands me like this. It was like bacon wrapped corn dog bite into it and it's raw raw bacon raw and i sip it it out on camera. I'm like freaking out. I'm like dude. I just ate a mouthful of salmonella and culinary producers like. I don't know what he's doing. I don't get this thing. They didn't find out until later like sometimes in the restaurant. Depending on the way what what. We're shooting my crew. It either going before me and film all of like what we call the beauties so you get all the close up shots of food all of the be roll in the kitchen all the be roll in the lobby or the or the you know the restaurant itself and then i would come in and do the you know the crowd stuff and everything afterwards or we would do that i. They would stay later for the a place in mobile and they're big things like a doughnut burger. It was like the most un-imaginative thing it was conceptualized by a guy who's a food supply and not a chef and so they just wanted the press and this guy just wanted to be on television and like literally paid the restaurant tour to pretend he was there chef for the day which pissed off the actual chef who was literally in the in the restaurant. Sabotaging everything that we were doing throughout the day because he was pissed off so like literally waiting for this guy to like poison people's beards so that everyone in the wide shot start throwing up the was living and i feel sick. I get done. And i go back to the hotel and then later that night the cruise down in the hotel and mobile. Had like this little cafe where you get like package salads and stuff or whatever late at night so i went down and i was like. I'm not hungry. i'll just eat a salad. I feel like crap after all this raw food in the morning and and they tell me everything they found out about this after we left that they basically sold auctioned off the ability to be on the show as the chef restaurant. You have to beat. You're going to get enough money from the exposure of being on television. Show you got to bleed dry. That much more to where they actually like auctioned off the ability to be on the show with me in secret then had me working with a guy that wasn't even chef and i was. I was like get by our people. I literally like was on the phone with our producers the next morning this never happened if i ever get and i was like. I'm not a diva. But if i ever get to a place and i find this out again i'm not shooting. We're not going to give a restaurant this exposure. When they're basically lying to people. I said there are two ways. I will walk out of a rush on his one if over their workers like and they're not if i find out it's a place like battalions restaurants where they're skimming tips or taking money from their workers i won't i won't film there or if they're not up to snuff healthwise and we're going to send people into a restaurant where they are going to get sick. I'm not gonna film there. And we had one of those in season one. We went to this mexican restaurant in virginia. And it was like do there. Were like rats in the kitchen. And i was. I'm not i like. I know i'm new here. And the show hasn't aired yet and we don't know what it is but like if i ever walk into a restaurant. That has rodents in the kitchen. Were not filming so send the scout team there ahead of time. And if there's rat arnold in the kitchen we're not gonna film they're like just so you know i almost like almost walked out of. It was dude. I i don't want to send people to a restaurant. That's going to get them sick and they were. They made so many excuses. They're like we're sorry. The owners ben out sick for two weeks ago. Two weeks and then turns into hacksaw rat hole like i worked in corporate retail for a long time and one of my great bosses do name rob who still one of my very good friends and zoe belle. Like a second dad to me used to tell me. When i was a nineteen year old manager store manager at hollywood video. He would come into my store and go. We just cleaned that two weeks ago and he would go. Yeah there's new dirt dirt and that's doll flowerbed. And so i remember the look you. The rats weren't here two weeks ago flowerbed. Two keys to this place okay. It's not two weeks old. It's spent here for a while that rats building addition on in the back. I see happening here. That surprises me. Thought virginia would have great mix. I mean that should have been the telltale sign right away. But i will tell you like there's weird things like. We went to this other restaurant in in mobile. That was called God what was the woman's name but it was this amazing if you can find the episode of january food. She was like vietnamese or korean immigrant. Who was adopted by southern baptists. And so this woman who's like one hundred percent asian and she's like. Hi sweetheart how you doing. That's that's first of all that's jarring. She had this sheet. Her entire restaurant was like asian soul food fusion and it was amazing and so you would never think like mobile known for its asian food. But i mean there are those places where it's amazing but now you're right. The virginia mexican food run by white people was as bad as you can imagine. And that's where racism can save your life if you walk into a mexican restaurant you see all white people walk out. Save yourself the trouble not safe in their sushi restaurant. Yeah well that was. An episode of the league wasn't it. Where is it where they walk in and the guy doing sushi was a white guy. And he's like. I can't eat this. Yeah so yeah. there's some. There's some times where i think you. Can you can safely go like this is not who i want making this cuisine. I know as as a fat guy my whole life. I don't like being looked at while they now and it's you know it's a it's a. It's a shame for him. I don't want i don't like is on me. Yeah so yeah did you. Was that weird view. I have a camera in your face as you're eating the most messy biggest thing i guess at the same time you're being you know. Yeah there's you kind of get over really quickly like You just it's it's in a weird way. It's like it stops being eating when you're doing it on tv like it's just it's like acting the idea of me doing stunts wouldn't do in real life anyway So you want me to run okay. Well we're filming something that's fine but not do it on my own time. It is a weird thing of where there is the separation and there's so many people around the it stops like i agree with you if i were just sitting somewhere eating by myself and somebody were stereo would get up and say something to cameras and a sound guy holding a boom like right over your mouth than director off screen going smile. There's so many things going on in your brain. That looking fat is like the least of your concerns right. Can you close your eyes tightly as you bite this time. Like more paschall. Yeah that's that's real direction where they're just like. Yeah like you gotta get in there and just kit in there. You know i mean i had. We had two directors for my show at mags miller. Who's great shoes. Like kinda hard core like really dark and funny like but our main director was this guy david koschnick. I think you say his name. He's done a lot of like reality stuff over the years and he does stuff like nat geo and everything else just like such a fun playful guy and i always loved. He would always be kind of afraid to come over to me after. I did it because some of these big bites. It's like you get one take. It's like blowing up a meth lab action film like all right. We got one shot at this. We're not making ten of these burgers and so we really had to get good at getting the bite. And there'd be times there'd be times he come over and he just like holding the monitor and his hand and he looks like coming over to tell me. My dog just died. He's like we didn't get into it again. And i was like man really so eventually like you do that two times and then you're like i'm gonna go all in on this and and it got to a point where it's like the more ridiculous you look biting into something like that the better. It is and the funnier. It is the most ridiculous one we did was like. We did a thanksgiving themed burger in georgia. And this thing was like the they made it in a full-size cheesecake ten. That gives you an idea of like how big this thing and it was. Probably this tall when i was eating so like literally. It's like how do you even you don't even budget show your face in it and look stupid and which is pretty much the best advice you can give anybody a food. Show shove your face in it and don't be afraid to look stupid. Did you do all your own. Eating action. shots didn't have. I didn't have a stop bath now. Although there are two things that there are a lot of people. Have you need help eaten at you. Just hit me up and i always wanted to be able to try to call one of those guys and go. Hey i need help. Car and meet us in tampa The other one was i literally. I would get emails every week about my grandson. Looks just like you and it would just be a fat guy with glasses red headed it was just like every fat person with glasses became d'appel ganger while was on the air. I got pictures like three hundred pound black dudes with glasses when my grandson just like you so i think we're getting a little liberal with what it means to be fat guy with glasses. Yeah you tend to just the more you get the more like everybody kinda looks like. Yeah like everybody got really foul. You know like the same person. Yeah maybe i don't know is one of those things babies. I did start replying to some of those. Oh so we're just all the same to you. You can't tell us. I always wanted to know. Maybe this is why the your show didn't last. They like what's coming. They number of things like people with a lot of product in their hair dyed blonde. Yeah like every single chef total each lesbian walking their dog and portland area. You know what the it's very true very true. You want to know the cringe. As part of the show was when they when they dissect it what my look was going to be. That was when i felt the most gross. Like people watching me eat. Yeah there's nothing worse than like to forty year old women Putting clothes on you and then talking about how disgusting your body and an outfit like literally in married in a hotel room in west hollywood. Yeah but at least my significant other lie to me so that i don't kill myself. She'll at least go like yeah. You look great. You do it like these women are like no look at your side. Earn up out of this t shirt. We can't do that is. There's some kind of jacket we can put on it to make it. Like i mean. Wardrobing is the worst as a fat dude. It is the most uncomfortable thing and then and then of course. The stylist has a hot twenty two year. Assistant like vanessa. Would you hacksaw. No never never my life is there. Is there an outfit that we could put on him. That make you change your mind. She's like i don't know maybe a ten thousand dollar budget. We'll see what we can do. I mean like. I'm eating giant food. Nobody has to want our like. Why can't i wear a t shirt. Just be a dumb guy. And they're like no. We need a goal jacket some product in your hair. How long should the beard be. I mean these are real discussions. They have and i was just like oh this. Is this what this what women go through. I get it like this is horrific patrick furiously typing all the. I didn't even ask how how how we can say whatever you want. Do you want to know it's like it's like the cable version. Word that goes over there were so many i mean there there are there are probably award winning shows on the cutting room floor of giant food of really funny and then what was funny is we had a focus. Group feedback comeback one time. They're like where they really started to. Not as when you try to be funny. And what's a real good thing. You've got a comedian to host this show but we would do so many really funny bits that they would never put in there so formulaic. It's like it's like paint by numbers. They're literally like food. Shot action shot walkup. Shaath food shot like every show. If you're line them up the caught exactly the same to nickelback song. Yeah and and you know my my wild idea that ended nickelback exam. You play them over each other and the verses and choruses off same beat. It sounds like this. Acdc to me. That's always wanted. Yeah there was. There were the wild idea. I had after season two when the numbers started to go down was What have we just let film in a day. Determine how we had the episode so like he. Generally one of three things wins the day. You would show up in either. The chef would be the coolest part of the most interesting part of the day. The patrons would be the most interesting part like you got really funny stuff with people in the crowd or the food itself was the most interesting thing of the day. And i was like if you just edit down to what we tell you is the best like hey do more crowd interaction. We have really funny stuff with the guests. Show the kitchen. The chef is really interesting. There would be places where we'd have like these meth addict. Black do chefs. Were like throwing knives in the back. And i was like this. Put this guy on like he doesn't have teeth and he's on crack and i was like. Yeah but it's awesome like watch this like one of those guys made it into the trailer for the show. You find the trailer you could see this. Like method black guy dancing in the kitchen. And i was like that guy should be eight minutes of the show a trolley car diner in in philadelphia but yeah it was like just pivot to. What's the funniest thing in a show like we had there. Was this place in acworth georgia and it's called I'm drawn a complete blank on it. It's a seafood restaurant guide. The chefs can be so mad at me for forgetting. But it's like it's all southern creole food and oh henry's henry's louisiana. Thank god i hate myself. I forgot that he and this guy henry is great like big character. Long hair hippy. Guy and he was like He grew up in the total like antebellum south and he had not a slave but a nanny will call her. Whose name was miami casteel. And so he had this whole shrine in his restaurant dedicated to her raising him and it looked like still shots from the help. But it was. There's this an amazing story and has so much love for this woman and he talked about like wanting to help her cuisine. Live on everything else and i remember having this conversation with our show runner the network and go those. That's such an interesting story about cultures coming together. And they're like. I will not have this man on our network talk about how slavery taught him how to make kriel food and i was like okay. Well that's not what it is but you know it was literally like my first taste of of network sort of like the. I can see where this could be horribly perceived and we're not going to tell the story because of how the biggest jerk on the work in the world will interpret it versus like i see it. As a great story of cult like learning something culturally that he never would have learned otherwise and there was it was like completely respectful and told with so much love the way he told the story and his upbringing. But it was sort of like this idea that they didn't want to show you know a black woman you know as a nanny raising like rich white kid and you know it became politicized and i was like this is such a part of his story and anyone who goes to his restaurant finds it interesting and awesome also is food is so great is because it's legit and they just completely made it about the optics. There were like this could look bad so we can't show any of this. It's sort of like how they cancel. Like mrs butterworth or something like it's kind of also racist right like oh. We're canceling lack lady being so wilk that now that's one less One less person. I dunno tanna. Cancel that out. Well did you guys ever watch project green light. Hbo so project greenlight was show many years ago where it was like people would enter. Contests try to make their own independent movie with matt damon and ben affleck were the producers from one anyway. There was a season the last season they did have it where they had this black producer on the show named efi brown. And she's like super s j w super woke producer. And there's a scene where they have a black. There's a black extra who's a limo driver. And she raised hell onset that there was a black person cast as the limo driver and so matt damon goes great fire and send them home. You send them home and tell him he doesn't get paid today because he's black and you find that offensive and we'll find a suitable ethnic person. What do you wanna wipe. We you want to replace him with a white guy so that it's not racist okay. Great that let's give a black man to a white person so we're not racist. It's not racist way more important than not being right exactly. It's like you know. Listen that's what that's why as a comedian. I love where we're at as a society now because this is pretty soon people start walking in and only listen turns out if we ask you to work in exchange for money at all. We're kind of white supremacists so we have to fire all the people of color and replace you guys with white people else elsewhere. Part of the problem clarify every time. You're seeing black. You're capitalizing right. Yes to whatever whatever the right thing to look right at the camera and just say black lives matter yes. Yeah the gun is out of the frame. I'm being impossible. I joked about that with trump's apology videos about the insurrection has a good thing. They don't zoom out so you can't see the guns pointed out it's just like lucky laser dumps wine all over. Go home everything's fine here. Go laser dot on his Man it's it's wild to me. How just completely turned around the other way with hosted shows. They're like oh. We have to make sure that we have the first transgender muslim woman to host a food show. It's like yeah the house she to eat through the face covering. We didn't think that one grew. That's a problem for everybody now. Pictures very the masks with the hole in the mouth. It's like how stupid are we. There was a whole there was a bill. Crow like pajama bottoms. Remember the one mechanized. Oh yeah open grab food. And then he got out of the back of his mouth was like video for the an from new york times. This showed a couple at at a restaurant and their masks holes. Where the mouth is it. It's like okay now. We're being your might as well wear a fake beard. What are you doing like a little compartment. And it's like a food processor in front of you put the bite in the hoses scored at behind the mask. And your yes through your nose so you don't have to open your mouth truth good. Yeah it's it's pretty wild. I mean the the mental gymnastics at takes to believe that any of that stuff makes a difference as crazy. You know and this is what this is like not to get overly political but this is the part of like universal healthcare that nobody ever stops to think about is. Did you ever think that if the government starts paying all your healthcare they might just get to say at one point no more. Mcdonald's do you really want to live in that world. Because i'll tell you what if we get universal health care and then they go by the way you can't at mcdonalds more than once a month it'd be like somebody get my gun we're going we're going back to the capital. I wasn't there the first time but now it's really crossed the line. Yeah we it's babylon be clarify. Do not support inciting any kind of thank you back to what i think i have a mcdonald's tattoo let them take it away from me. Let them pride from my cold dead hand. Mcdonald's mcdonalds chamber or now. I have a tramp stamp and i have a straw. That comes out of my buck crack. And then it says. I'm loving it. I was going to say. Can we see it. But i think yeah no i. I have a photo of it. If you guys you know posted. No it'd be when and if you guys want to put it up on the wall here. Whatever that'd be great would fit in with all of this stuff. Are you gonna make jokes with trump. Not being an office anymore. Only yeah i never. I never made jokes about trump's good. Yeah i voted. For trump trump supporters is not the first time not in two thousand sixteen. I voted for gary johnson because that was obviously a smart choice. It's funny what is aleppo. I still think we got this. I think it's in the bag. What's aleppo but in a way in a way in hindsight like it's not that bad it's not as bad as trinity depresssion or whatever he said. Yeah this guy doesn't remember aleppo biden's up there like this guy almost forgot his pants today. He's fine no. I mean so yeah. I don't know i think i think a lot of comedians are doomed. Wonder ace But those ones sucked in the first place and you talked about jim gaffe again going bonkers on on trump. I think you said he would never do the same thing about something. Like no which is interesting to me. Because he's obviously a pro-life guide the whole acts about having five kids and he opened for the pope and his obviously religious guy. And i just again like you had the opportunity to take stand about something that personally. You're personally involved with and personally passionate about but it would make you very unpopular in hollywood. So you don't speak out about that but you're willing to take the you know the hard path at turnip on trump. And it's like i don't buy it i went. I went gaffe again in the summer about that. Because it seemed just opportunistic. I mean you have this fact about you. That's a very unpopular truth that you're pro-life and there aren't any real advocates for that are against abortion that are in the major entertainment space and as somebody who also feels that way And recently by the way like part of the reason that i came around to being a pro-life persons that i listened to somebody who didn't agree with me and they made better points and completely changed my perspective on it and it made me like a fierce prolife person of knowing like no exceptions and so to see somebody like africa. Who has the platform to you know. You wanna make good points about something. That's difficult due at about that but to jump on the bandwagon of hating on trump. It's like there's enough of those kind of respect. The guys that have been doing it for like five years or six years okay. You've hated trump this whole time but when you to like twenty twenty. I'm going to take a stand. Trump is bad. I'm actually gonna come out against trump in three years. I'm actually gonna wait long guys in hindsight back pretty bad guy you know. It's just like but the thing that people don't realize is you know with all the censorship and everything going on and shutting him down. Everyone's like you can't wait until trump's gone you. Just wait until you see. What's next you might be looking at president. Alex jones in four more years. I mean i. I mean you know because we live in this world now where something. That's true is getting painted as as being radical in a world where all truth is radical than. Why can't radicals be truthful. And so eventually people will just start. That blind will become so blurred even the craziest conspiratorial right wing. Person will be lumped in with the guy who's just telling the truth because they're both treated the same way in the public sphere lure always ended lionising the republican president. That was that served eight years ago. George w bush. There was a guy and was a conservative. We could really sink our teeth in utah. All the great things he did for us and the middle east the revisionist history. I remember having being an entertainment. Since two thousand and six. I remember having super crazy left wing fan or friends who were like George bush george bush is gonna kill the entire country. We gotta get him. He is the worst thing since hitler you know. And then and then barack obama gets in and then trump comes out. And he's like he's the worst thing. Since hitler and it's like what about bush wasn't he hitler now bush's jesus compared to this guy is just like it's amazing the lengths that people will go. I had this funny idea. I tweeted this. And then i thought this would be a babylon be headline whereas like zombie. Hitler comes out in condemns trump and then the left embraces zombie. Look you get really old and responsible for the actions of living hitler. Frontal cortex is an operating purely madeline. So somebody hitler's actually a great guy signed by ca. A tv talk shows in the works and podcast. Yeah he gave good speeches was civil he was. Yeah i mean norms lashley. I can't wait until we start going back. And finding all the ways that hitler was better than trump because those articles are coming for. Sure all the ways. Hitler wasn't as bad as trump. I mean it's the lengths that they'll go to try to paint some sort of picture. Just completely discredits their arguments. I mean the article that came out that everybody's making fun of this week of Starting to understand a multi-racial whiteness. I mean come on. Man not couldn't even figure out what they were saying. Yeah well you guys have to wait for my next book on the white supremacy of being black. That's a new. I'm i'm publishing right now. It's just we've gotten to a point with like a identity politics where it's completely fallen off the cliff and now you can't even make make good points. That's what you guys do at the be a sound even before recorded. I said the the problem. I think a lot of people on the right have is that we're we're over intellectualize conversations about the absurdity. Sometimes you just have to do what you guys do at the be and just point out how absurd it is and i think the left does a better job of that with conservatives where they make such a mockery of it that you know and if your response to being ridiculed or even debate yeah do. Yeah ridicule them back. There's way more material. And i think more people on the right and this is often times. You'll hear people say like there are no funny conservative comics. I think that's the problem. I think it's because Too often we try to over. We try to win on intellectualism instead of winning on absurdity. And i think the more you you win and beat them at absurd because they're giving you way more of a stick to beat them with and we give them then. Then you just show ridiculous. It is you find in comedy. I mean the liberals are definitely the most outspoken and they probably are the majority. Do you think there's more quiet conservatives or libertarians in comedy or do people reach out to you. so outspoken. yeah when when i got cancelled in two thousand eighteen i had and i say this all the time and people don't want to believe me but i mean if you if i were to pull up my twitter messages from that time there were so many white celebrities that message me and they're like we get what you're saying you know they're like we agree and and you're right about it and it is a big problem in our industry but you know. Thanks for taking the bullet. I'm going to stay over here. In my laurel canyon bunker. That's a frustrating thing when millionaires who are beyond reproach. Tell you like we agree with you but we wouldn't support you and then you're cool figure out how to pay rent this year right. You don't like my favorite thing is being right in poor. What is your advice on that celebrity. Yeah but it is one of those things. I think you have to decide if you want to. You know. I think so much about choosing to be a comedian. I tell people this all the time. I had a good job when i started doing comedy. Like if i would have never done comedy. I'd still be in the corporate world i'd be making at this point i'd probably be a c. Level executive multiunit supervisor at twenty one years old. I'm thirty seven now. If i would have just stayed in that place for sixteen years. I'd probably be a co or something at a company somewhere might get that sense. Yeah maybe but you'd have to touch a woman i think to be. I don't even care for them. You know what i will say is. I've been with one for nine years. I can't think of anything that would make you like them. Less the thing about to hear that she's here that in the background. Usually you get lafayette. They're all uncomfortable but she's like me. She hates me here. That's what you guys are both married both have to know. How did you are at home. That's what it is. The magic of marriages is to experience. The whole gamut of love and hate. Do you know what makes us love. Each other is how much we're not everybody else. That's it. I just look at every other woman i go. Thanks for not being back. She goes yeah you to. That's what it is. That's the magic of togetherness uk. Do you see everybody else. And then she goes. Yeah like oh thank god. We're not saying that all the time. But but yeah it's like with comedy. I think the good comedians are people that are willing are naturally curious. And if you're so closed off where you won't even hear people that disagree with you. You're not naturally curious enough to be a good comedian and so you're probably not a good comedian and there are a lot of people that kind of trick the system where they're likable. Trevor noah or they're ethnically diverse or their. They'll check these boxes that the industry likes and they'll they'll carve a niche but like there's a reason why a guy like trevor noah doesn't have a huge podcast like joe rogan. It's like the. I think the people that are real fans of real comedy find these people And we'll support them no matter what they do because are naturally curious and the more interesting. People begets more interesting comedy. And i just think you know one of the things that i think is kind of good about covert in the pandemic is. I think it's made everybody kind of reassess where they put their money. You know like oh. Why am i supporting this thing. That i don't agree with or why am i. Why am i giving money to This restaurant when they're not politically aligned. With what i'm doing. I want support these restaurants that are refusing to shut down or whatever I think it's going to be the same way when we come out of this pandemic with comedy. I think where a guy like jim gaffe again could have made those comments about trump and not really felt it before the pandemic is gonna feel it after the pandemic and i think people are going to be far more Kind of Scrupulous i guess i don't know what the word is looking for but definitely they're going to hold their purse-strings tighter when it comes to making decisions and how personally align they are with the side that someone chooses in the intellectual battle i think is going to determine where they spend their money a lot more so the idea of like i disagree with you but i'll still go support you. I don't think that's going to be out there as much anymore. I think you're going to have to be somebody who picks aside like you can't be you. The guys like sebastian maniscalco who really like never say anything politically at all. Who are just funny guys. they'll have an audience. But i think the guys who are you know more clearly understood about who they are outside of their act are going have bigger followings and bigger fan bases and things like that being a comedian anymore isn't just what you do on stage. People want be. They want to know who you are off stage. They want to know what your opinions are about things. They want to see the full three sixty and so i think to be a comedian in the market. As as where it's headed you've got to be somebody who opens up your whole life to your audience and that's got to be interesting to see that makes sense. Yeah well and plus you have a divide in big tech and everything so the platforms even if you want to be a comedian that reaching everybody. Comedians to be getting pushed to this platform that platform as they divide further and further. Do you think there's like a speak easy coming back to comedy though. Where so one of the things i found. That's interesting for a long time. I didn't want to put something behind a paywall. Because i found that i was like well. If it's not if it's not massive for why would people pay for it. Interestingly enough more people are supporting my paywall stuff then. We're supporting my free stuff. I think there is some sort of like the mentality of facebook when it started about the exclusivity is what made it popular. I think there is at least with like conservative people. There is this excitement about being part of something. That's underground and not for everybody. And so i think live comedy will take the same The same steps as we open back or even as we. Don't i mean. I've talked with some communities like what we just did an illegal speakeasy tour and digital did the underground and absolutely just refused to follow those orders in and you know announced venues the day of the way some conservative. Comedians have been doing it for a couple years now so people don't try to pick it their shows like what if we just did what artists used to do in the sixties and seventies. Like when they were arresting. Lenny bruce obscenity. He was still performing and he was going underground and to speak ease in cafes. And and just not you know. Be a little rebellious with your art. Be a little rebellious with what you're doing. And i think. I think people want to be part of that. I think audience members want to be a part of it. I think an audience member is more likely to participate in something like that then to just buy tickets off a website and go to the improv to see somebody that was on. Vh ones. I hate the eighties or whatever. So yeah i think like being a fan of a certain comedian as more going to be like being a part of a club then a fan if that makes sense of community well speaking of pay walls yeah. It's time we go behind the curtain to our that won't be subscriber launch Yes we're gonna move sitting there leather chairs whereas smoking jackets and tend to smoke. I want to hear more about the the tweet canceled for. Yeah i want to hear more about that. And i want to talk more big tech censorship and pizza. I guess pizza which is not a court for anything. It's just pizza code for. No you don't know. Is that a t shirt somewhere. Welcome to the right where pizza is just pizza. Sure we were trying to find a new shirt. I'd go i'll take twenty two percent royalty all right here we go coming up next for babylon be subscribers so you got cancelled in two thousand eighteen. That was like the big time. Yeah i do like to say your tweet for your yeah. That's that's the mean. You just took racism to the third dimension which by the way in that. See what i find. Funniest kind of hacksaw. And so i'll make jokes about race or suicide or death or enjoying this hard hitting interview. 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"Happening with president trump and of potential impeachment. Okay too so you can know what because this is politics. This is headline news so house. Democrats introduced articles of impeachment. The president yesterday for what's called incitement of insurrection. In the wake of last week's writing at the us capitol several republicans have also said. The president should be removed from office. Although we're not really sure yet if they're going to have enough votes in the senate house speaker. Nancy pelosi says she has enough votes in house. Members of congress say they have the authority to bar public officials who specifically took an oath of allegiance to the us constitution from holding office if they engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the constitution and therefore broke their oath. And i'm hearing and it's like i don't know if you're hearing differently vo come as early as tomorrow. I mean this could happen very very quickly. If impeached president trump would lose his annual two hundred thousand dollar pension one million dollar annual travel allowance and he would lose the ability to run for office again in two thousand twenty four. Although that's in question the last point they're saying they're not one hundred percent sure if it would keep him from election because something like this has never happened. Where someone's been impeached twice. But they it's not unusual to have someone be impeached so so unusual. It's not unprecedented that Ulysses grant was also. There was an impeachment vote after he left office and he ended up getting acquitted but they were trying to impeach him even as he left office. It's just a a lot mentioned in that impeachment thing. They even talk about him tampering with the fraud and election and talking about calling to try and find votes and stuff. So i don't know it'd be interesting to see tomorrow happened. What happens if they have. The votes are not because there are people on both sides of the aisle calling for it. But it's different when you put your voice in your name to it in a vote. Yeah i just wanna give you a little warning about the content of the next thirty story. If you've got little ones in the car or listening right now armie hammer actor armie hammer. Whose name is trending at the moment and not for a good reason. A bunch of screen size so messages that he allegedly wrote were leaked publicly by the anonymous now private instagram account house of f. e. these alleged messages date back to two thousand sixteen. Some of them are as recent as last year. A time period when army was still married to his wife elizabeth chamber. So that's important to note. The explicit messages are allegedly from army's official instagram account. And the reason they're trending is because they include conversations about dsm and some really bizarre references to cannibalism in one message he writes. I am one hundred percent cannibal. I want to eat you. That scary to admit. I've never admitted that before. And though the messages are unverified the user is attempting to prove their authenticity by sharing some private photos of a man's hand that she had allegedly been sent alongside the messages showing tattoo on his ring finger. Armie hammer has a similar looking tattoo on his finger writer. Jessica henryk as who was spotted out with army at the end of last year to twitter yesterday and said she believes these screenshots are real so she's gotta know something about his his likes his fetishes. I know one. Dm exchange from february of last year. Said i will chase you down and pounce on you so fast. If you tried to walk away you'll need something strong to hold me back from you and then audio clip also surfaced on twitter in relation to this which claim to claims to be army. The man supposedly is army an in the audio. He's talking about a kink based relationship that he is in and he references. I'm fetishes and admits they might sound cringe-worthy when not in the heat of a moment Yeah well i mean you know. There's a difference in fetishes. And saying i actually each you and i'm not i'm talking about actual cannibalism. Yeah so that's weird. Yeah so if you see his name trending. that's with. That story is all about on a totally different note. Nick jonas is in talks to play. Frankie valli in a stream event performance of one of my favorite broadway musical jersey boys. megan is totally poop. Owing whatever i think is great it will be produced by bohemian rhapsody. Scream king and the original broadway producers. Along with frankie valli and bob gaudio from the four seasons. I'm not sure which platform it's going to be on That'll be announced at a later date. Obviously but it's coming. We still need to stream content. We've been through all our shows already. I know we were just talking about. What are we. watch nex. I've blown through everything. There is mad. That i'm gonna watch jersey voice when george clooney talked about using a flow. Be remember this. He's always cut his own hair. It wasn't a new thing for him to do during the pandemic. And if you're going wait what a flow behold. It's that hair cutting system that it's like a vacuum hose so george clooney mentions it. The thing sells out in minutes. I think it's still tough to get one right now. We'll man he said is he kicking himself. Should have gotten stock in that company before i Dole that story. I will you know. I didn't even think the company's still existed. Because i time we've got another one of like amazon or something new somebody else's flow behaving so now i know next on my endorsed. Something owns some stock. Before i do. I'll let you know right insider trading. I was watching meghan mccain in the clubhouse on his watch what happens live with aeko last night and she was talking about her reaction to coming back from maternity. Leave only to face. Lots of feuding a lots of words from her co host on the view. I missed everyone even if some people don't miss me i miss the show. Where a family. We've been through a lot together. And i miss being on the show to obey hard told. Shouldn't miss her. i love her. She says she hopes the show serves. As an example. For america an example that people with different opinions can coexist. I hope that we can all be examples myself included for where the country should go forward because whether we like it or not like. I'm not going anywhere on the show joys not going anywhere on the show we all have to live and coexist together just like americans right now. We're all going to try. And coexist. And i really wanna have all move forward and lashley a waitress going viral after sharing some of her experiences with celebrity customers. I always love when they do this. This user Her handle is the clumsy traveler says she spent years working the service industry in l. a. Her husband actually still does and during that time they've encountered plenty of celebs both good and bad so we have met our fair share of celebrities seven years ago my husband served christine aguilera and she was asked what she wanted to drink. She just stared at him. Gave them the evil. I looked at her manager and her manager basically had to talk to my husband because she refuses to talk to the step what recently. My husband met miley cyrus an liam hemsworth when they were still together all super nice. Like the nicest people ever and miley was like low key hitting my husband. 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How to Sleep: Presidents Day & Mattress Sales

1-800-Dreamzz with Amelia & Cecilia

19:10 min | 2 months ago

How to Sleep: Presidents Day & Mattress Sales

"I'm amelia cecilia. This is one eight hundred dreams dreams with tuesdays. Now we heard a lot of. You are having trouble sleeping. Apparently two out of three americans report at least one night a week with poor sleep. And that's without the help of covid nineteen affecting bedtime. The pandemic messed up our sleep for a number of reasons yet. Thanks a lot over. Nineteen i mean. Life changes surrounded the pandemic exactly surrounding the pandemic. the list goes on and on and on and we see you. Sleep is so unbelievably important to your overall health. So cecilia developed a series called how to sleep. We are digging into your biggest sleep questions each week. And if you find this information valuable please share this with a friend and leave us review. If you've got a little extra money this month you can drop it in our virtual tip jar at by a coffee or you can even become a monthly on our patriots. All of these early in the show news net. Something else that we're excited to announce is the one eight hundred dreams questionnaire a. We're excited to get this in front of you. All if you listen to our episodes about dream analysis you know that we interpret dreams a little differently. Yes there's no right or wrong way to interpret a dream but instead of trying to recall the narrative the one eight hundred. James canary has you identifying individual components of your dream. A the people places things animal feelings and situations and we're actions in your dreams. Those are bits of your dream that you're most likely forget and if you can very easily remember the narrative if you have those pieces identified oh yes so part of the reason. We started this. How sleep series is because none of your memory your dreams because you're not sleeping enough but we really believe that your dream service the bridge between your waking conscious. Mind conscious mind. 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What in moving onto the other side. What are we talking about today in how to sleep so today. We're talking about the elusive yet. Obnoxious president's day mattress sale that is currently sweeping our nation. It just needs somebody. Doesn't it like then you have the existential crisis. Should mattress has deal and the free delivery to the agony and then the glitz and glam and the red by embu just shouting at you on the tv on pandora body five. You've just gotta turn down the volume right. But then you're watching pbs. So you have to turn the volume up again. And it's just torture. I don't think. Pbs is any advertisements for mattress young. I don't think so. But i feel like every other podcast does right. Like yeah. like casper was halo. Know nurture actor. There's some really. They're they're they're less likely to be late. Oh man so good. Yes have you ever purchase a mattress. I'm trying to think. I don't think so the the match that i have currently is a casper mattress and i got it over black friday. Okay so another like another like. I'm not gonna pay full price for mattress. no right. why would you win. you don't have to. Yeah what about you know. I don't know. I really get freaked out. No i've never been. I'll be thirty this year. Maybe this is the year that i get my shit together and think about okay. Let's budget for a new mattress in the future shirt. What do we need to do that. Look like i'm always catches me off guard. I'm like ooh i'm really curious about this holiday and wants to associations mattresses so honest it's fairly mundane but i will do my best to spice it up. Fifty fifty matches zesty mattress in a new mattress skins. All resign she gives me. Why clean out the puke from my mouth okay. So are you ready for this ready for this. I want to know what. Presidents day isn't wise associated with mushrooms of yet steve place so president's day let's start there. Yes let's picture it. Usa eighteen seventy ulysses grant was presi. The department of justice was created. How does the department of justice tape it onto come into you. Know i don't know but eighteen seventy was the same year that was like you know what i think. We need a doj and like some federal holidays federal holidays before they do not according to the wikipedia page. Congress created federal holidays to correspond with scimitar laws of states around the district and in every state of the union. But it goes on to say that this only applied the federal employees in the district columbia and it wasn't until fifteen years later in eighteen. Eighty five at the holiday is applied to all federal employees. Just rude yeah so there are currently ten federal holidays. Can you name all of them okay. Let's start on new year's day right so that's one Martin luther king junior's birthday to lincoln's birthday. Maybe don't so clearly presidents day memorial day memorial day fourth of july salad labor day my birth That's gone but we did enjoy the thanksgiving. He's giving chrismas. I know we're missing one veterans. But that's that's that's i please. So the original four and eighteen seventy where new year's day independence day thanksgiving day and christmas tiktok. Cecilia there's no measures yet. Not yet but in eighteen seventy nine congress was like you know what it's time for another holiday. So they designate a george. Washington's birthday february twenty-second as a federal holiday. Oh ho curbing. Realize washington was a pepsi's who knew just getting a lot of people now. But here's an interesting factoid. According to the national archives. George washington was born in virginia on february eleventh 1731. According to the venues julian candidate calendar in seventeen fifty to washington was twenty one britain and all its colonies adopted the gregorian calendar which moved washington's birthday. A year in eleven. Days to february twenty-second seventy and thirty two. What are you kidding. Can you imagine you had a shaved off of your life honestly. It sounds like kobe times right now. So that's true. We were actively a part of that. I mean like. I just like really messed with your brain. I guess it hasn't both i feel like back in the day. It was a lot more. People didn't really know when there anyways because you didn't keep travelling to think about if your parents had to keep track of like every single birthday eight more of you and not the born maybe thousand nine hundred and when you were actually born. I sure like sometime in the spring. Well somebody was george in. Aquarius became pisces. So my first encounter with the julian and gregorian calendar s. I've had several cents. I just want to read. Yes tell me what do you remember. From this of the specifically so grand duchess unstop. The romanoff was born june fifth in the julian calendar. But then her gregorian calendar birthday was june eighteen years though so i wonder like how the counters mashed up i still dominate Still close to my heart. That would be an interesting podcast like astrology and famous historical figures. I'm sure there's there's gotta be you know any good ones. Please send them our way. That's a seems like a nice little niche so washington's birthday becomes a federal holiday eating seventy nine that is celebrated on cigarettes. Yes and it's not until nineteen sixty eight that the uniform monday holiday act as established cecilia. This sounds like billy sexy her. I know you're full of shit. Because i know you lost like this. So the plan of this was that it shifted several holidays to always fall on a monday. Oh washington's birthday ends up being celebrated on the third monday of the month. I guess three day weekends are sexy so wait. It's not even called president's day no kidding. According to an article for mental floss states can just call it whatever they want and they can smell it whatever they want to use the apostrophes wherever they see fit. So that's why. I've seen it like it could be president's day like a possibility ethics seat. One singular president onstage. You could do presidents with s. apostrophe like all presidents day orders presidents plural their honor. But not the dan indeed. So what does the association between presidents day mattresses become a thing. Okay so trying to find when this happened just kind of ends up being leaving you bombarded with ads for mattress sales but the reason that mattresses are associated with the holiday is. Are you ready for it. I'm sorry all the new mattresses get put out in march fucking kidding really bad jokes. I mean so if you think about it like any any big sale weekend based around some like black friday as to get companies back into the black before the end of the year Saw a dot com is say. It's all about timing in early. March new mattress models come on the market that means mattress stores particularly like the brick and mortar. Stores have to clear their inventory in february and then mattress sellers. Don't face the same age but offer deep discounts to keep up with their competitors. So that means you can usually got the lowest price of the year on mattresses. On president's day my god why anticlimactic hoped it would be like some tar. Dri pillow talks. I don't know it is. It is very disappointing. But i'm here during pillow. Talk now strip okay. Well now that. I know the whole troops. Let's say i haven't been pressured by adds to by mattress this year. Where do i start okay. That's a great question We all got bombarded by so many ads and we just don't start literally right so drag to go to an inside inside in a store. i'm. I'm personally not super keen doing that. Code nineteen among other reasons. I mean you. Don't wanna go. Larry mattress at somebody else. Probably on no no. No you don't have so gone back to talk. Dot com one study showed a short light on it and a brick and mortar store doesn't usually lead to the best buying decision instead. Researching options features reading reviews from confirmed. Buyers can lead you to a better buying decision for your mattress with finally guys. If you can leave review. I guess for literally anything that will allow people either. People could read the reviews and test them out. I out there were so inclined preferably. Encore times cova coveted. Let's not ready to purchase. Because i forgot. This is happening. Like i usually do. Are there other times of year. I can get a mattress and a good price. Oh yeah yeah. They're typically bake sales on a quarterly basis. So you've got presidents day as well as memorial day labor day and black friday. Those are the best times to purchase a mattress. Just know these are always the newest or freshest mattresses. Yeah your parmesan cheese. The top floor log mattress. Thank you very much all of these days. There is a good time by. It can be if you like deals and you need a new mattress right now. And you have the time to dedicate to finding a good deal which usually includes like a good discount as well as free shipping and delivery if you're willing to spend a little bit more but a new mattress that's produce later in the spring. You can do that to ratchet. Regin them up cocoon. Yes you do seen so if you feel like i have the time now. Is the moment been waiting for to buy a mattress. Here are some tips from tuck dot com about making a good choice. Let's hear of so one. You can scour the website of mattress makers their marketing to their consumer directly from their website. Alex to watch for pop-ups many online mattress companies. Use pop up windows when you first hit their site to let you like their current discounts and deals Some a promo code so if you're going to browse mattress sites you might need to turn off your pop up blocker dussault so you don't great deal i will. I just haven't because it's annoying. But there's literally reason why they have these pop ups right right three and four arte sign up for their email newsletter subscription which is always a good way to go or you could get a referral from someone who recently got a mattress. Roy they also suggest looking for promo codes from discount sites or like leaving an item in your cart. That other places. Like i'll get email from somewhere saying that left something in my cart and whole this item so lonely in it says me ervices you. It's all occur which. Okay i promise. Quit into promote promote advising inanimate objects. Because i have trouble eating so but yeah but they do give you coupons. They do give you coupons. You got it. And that's the goal tough also encourages you just call store and ask just ask people from we never know that's true you can set your budget. And all that like with any purchases and discounts. Bigger percentage off does not necessarily mean it will be cheaper great. No i am not good but as a proficient shopper. I do understand that concept quite well just because something says it's fifty percent off the may have been a very like martin metrics that making measurements. That's yeah. I think. I can do some fractions. Math illiterate. Really bad so the nerds over at nerdwallet even encourage you to negotiate the price. But that might be more if you're purchasing doing like a random time of the year. Okay yeah i get. I get really mean aggressive when it comes to negotiate I don't. I'm not a good negotiator like i'll be league. Hey is there anything better. You can do like another dealer something unappealing okay. So if you're in the market for some other random stuff. There's a lot of deals going on in the month of february because of the overlap with president's day and valentine's day admittedly. I'm personally trying to be more conscientious as a consumer and not by much new. But if i if i did want you what deals are out there. Yeah it's not dissimilar to black friday. Honestly there's an article by rolling stone four seven places. You could go for president's day deals got everyone's getting out of action. Oh seriously i just bought like a whole bunch of pants from calls. President special honestly. Yeah so there's obviously. There are mattress sales as well as sales on slip. Aku trammell like pillows and blankets at different places to grow. You love me a good sleep. Book intramural yep and if you like electric's kitchen gadgets. Close barely anything. There's ton of places that are taking advantage of the holiday. So you can do that and i do feel like especially with clothing and everything. They're getting out the winter stuff to make way for the spring stuff which is especially hilarious if you live in the midwest we do where it's like. Okay we're definitely gonna need sweaters. Warm clothes for. We used to know elites another month. Probably like this island's joke 'cause i'm from central illinois originally. I am like why move. Is it still snowing april. This is ridiculous so reminds me the oregon trail. What would you like to leave. I won't go march because it might be too snowy bro questionable. So yes yes so you could know by some of that stuff where you could buy the one eight hundred dreams cushion yet so yes. We're unfortunately not having this year. All your laugh at things Yeah well that's all we have for you today. We hope you enjoy it. This many episode from our how to sleep series we hope our next installment talks about white noise and pink noise. And what sounds our best to help you go to sleep. I'm so excited for that. One in the meantime you can check out our most recent dream episode on valentine's symbols and dreams Love andrea and then stay tuned for next week's more than dreams episode where amelia and i will chat about our states like putting her hair in front of her face. Because she's like it's going to be going to be so he. Yeah so it's gonna be terrible and yet don't forget check out you wanna quinary our website. Yes had the one eight hundred james dot com with tuesdays where you can purchase the kushner as well as some at your james to us You can also find us on. Instagram and facebook. Sleep tight remember. Don't let the president's day mattress sales your here here.

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Inauguration Day Special (and Kellie's First Show!)

This Day In Esoteric Political History

25:11 min | 3 months ago

Inauguration Day Special (and Kellie's First Show!)

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You can get a free home security camera when you go to simplisafe dot com slash. This day that simply s. i m. p. l. a. safe dot com slash. This day you also get a sixty day risk-free trial so there's nothing to lose once again. Simplysafe dot com slash this day. Hello and welcome to this day and esoteric political history from radio topa. My name is jody african. Today's episode. A bit of an inauguration special january twentieth twenty twenty. One is of course inauguration day and that is our hook for this episode. We're going to look a few notable inauguration days in the past especially those that are say a little chillier than normal In the past three presidents. John adams in eighteen o one. John quincy adams in eighteen. Twenty nine and johnson in eighteen sixty nine refused to attend their successors inaugurations a few other. Outgoing presidents have missed the inauguration for one reason or another but those are the three that appear to be the most fueled by pettiness. If that's the right way to put it. And donald trump of course will add his name to that list. He will be the fourth to not attend his successors in there have been other contentious inauguration moments as well so we are mixing it up a bit and talking about a number of interesting moments on today's show and here to do that as always is nicole. Hammer of columbia. Hello nicki hey jodie and listeners. That is not the only way we are mixing things up on. Today's show because we are really excited to announce that starting today we are adding a a third host to this show. Kelly carter jackson of wellesley is joining our team kelly. Welcome hello hello malcolm. Kelly's everyone excited to be here. Yeah we are really excited to have you and listeners. Close listeners when on with us a couple times before but I don't know this is your inauguration. Kelly what do you want to say. You're speaking to robert frost poem because my angelo on the phone. I know i have home. Have no speech. No no quotes. No nothing like that. But i'm i'm excited to talk. This is going to be great. You know one thing i will say is that kelly people will learn kind of you know the kind of work do you focus mostly nineteenth century politics and nikki of course focuses on twentieth century politics so i think we have a nice mix here though we've talked also about how this is a really good chance for each of you to sort of step out and and talk about stuff that maybe you're not an expert in to which i say. Welcome to my world. I am not an expert on everything and you have my experience. But now we're really excited about doing this together and Let's just start it. Let's start our inaugural term here. Is there no swearing in that. There's oh yeah. Do you wanna put. Did you bring something book to put your hand on or so forth. I did not bring a book. I i can hold my own book. Freedom i swear enforce freedom black abolitionists and the politics of violence. I will do no harm to this. So we'll go through a bunch of moments. But i do think the big hook for us. Is this eighteen sixty nine moment. It is the last time. A president skipped their successors inauguration and it is. Apparently you know a moment of real contentiousness between andrew johnson and the person taking over grant so why kellie did johnson and grant Not like each other much. Well i should just start out by saying that. Nobody really likes nonsense. The first american president to get impeach. That's a really big deal. We should know that For a little bit of historical context. Lincoln's alexa andrew johnson to be his vice president as a way to appease the south he is very much a southern sympathizer and so that rubs a lot of people the wrong way particularly the radical republicans who control the house of representatives. And the senate. I believe in this time. So when andrew johnson is leaving office he's not too happy with his successor ulysses s grant who is a war hero and beloved by the country and so the november nineteen sixty eight. When ulysses grant comes into office he wins by a slim slim margin. The popular vote gives him a margin of three hundred thousand votes. We can't even imagine what that would look like today. Considering that we call close elections with two million votes of difference when we think about his inauguration johnson refuses to attend and he insists that he's just gonna stay at the white house until the legislation is signed and grant basically says you know that he's going to reject the idea of writing in the same care to johnson and they cannot seem to get on the same page which is really important because inaugurations are meant to show like smooth transitions of power. And so if we can't have everyone agreeing to be respectful and then it does pose some problems particularly for the optics and we should say that three hundred thousand vote was not between grant and johnson. Kelly mentioned how unpopular johnson was. He wasn't nominated by either. The republican or the democratic party wasn't. I don't think at that time a member of either one of those parties He was from the national union party which was an artifact of the civil war but he didn't even get to run for election to the presidency because no one wanted him just makes me think of Johnson here is the one saying. Oh i refuse to go to the ceremony when in fact kelly as you put. It seems like everyone hated johnson. It's a nice reminder that when you're the one who's like refusing to go to a party because you don't like everyone. There's a good chance to everyone. Who's party or go to like you either. And that might actually be the dynamics so you know maybe people were happy. That johnson wasn't there nikki. We also should say that. Johnson didn't exactly have a good track record of performance. At presidential inauguration. Let's rape of course he was sworn in eighteen. Sixty five four. Abraham lincoln's second inauguration and He had just been put on the ticket in eighteen. Sixty four so. This was his first vice presidential inauguration and dude shows up drunk and lake makes a big full of himself and he goes out there. He gives a big speech about how he glories. and being. Just like a common person. And i'm gonna tell you here today. Yes in this place. The people are everything and everyone around him. It's just like shut up your so trunk like hannibal. Hamlin is tugging on his jacket and president lincoln just like closes his eyes. And that way that you do when somebody is being so embarrassing that you can't even look at them so it was not a good first inaugural for him kelly. This this is lincoln's second and i could. This is the better angels moment. Had this is probably one of the most important inauguration speeches in american history and so the fact that johnson is causing really like a blight to this moment is embarrassing and not just for lincoln but the republican party in general does not speak to a vote of confidence in who their vice president is. I love that notion of just like a great moment. In american history can just turn the cameras slightly and this probably embarrassing themselves. Some drunk uncle just over there holding forth and then someone else will giving like a you know. China admonished them or give them. The side is like exit stage left. Somebody's got the shepherd's crook initial pulling them off. So one more thing just on this. Johnson grant inaugural i mean. It's icy someone's skips it nikki. Does that actually matter in any real sentiment. Is it just symbolic or does it actually impede the the way that politics was moving forward. Yeah i mean the symbolism does matter. I think that's symbolic peaceful. Transfer of power is important but in the case of johnson and grand mean. This was a fight that had been unraveling over the course of the entire transition. So johnson would reach out to grant and grant would rebuff him grant would re chow to johnson in the same thing would happen. They were constantly fighting. Over what inauguration day would look like whether they would take separate carriages whether they would both show up at the same time together and this was going on all the way up to inauguration day and even though the size of the federal government was a lot smaller back then. It's still mattered. That they weren't able to talk about the business of government as they are handing off to one another so. I do think that generally speaking when there is this kind of crisis happening on inauguration day it points to a bigger challenge. That's happening with the transfer of power in the transition. So before we tell their stuff i mean i do want to ask this sort of the big question for me here. Which is kelly. I mean you talk about how. It's important as a symbol inauguration day and i go i go back and forth on that you know whether it is pure pageantry and whether it really matters or maybe as nikki saying you know. It's it's more like a symptom than disease. But do you wanna make the case for what happens on inauguration. Day actually matters yeah. I'll say it is both symbolic and substantive. I think that people need to be able to see a smooth clean transition of power particularly in a democracy. I think that's incredibly important. I think that it's also important to see the swearing in of the president. You know that is historic in enough itself. In people want to be a part of that moment they want to say that i was there i side. I wouldn't have said So there's a lot of that. But i also think that when we think of american democracy as a whole what makes this country so great is that we've been able to transition from leader to lead a relatively with little drama and that means something particularly look at elections all around the world right and i think that you know one of these icy inaugurations that you're foreshadowing. Jody was actually this first. Big one that showed how american democracy was going to work in eighteen. O one the first time that you have a transition of power between parties So going John adams thomas jefferson. It was one thing for george washington to just step down after two terms. It was quite another to have to hand the presidency over and all the power that it had to your political enemy and john. Adams doesn't actually show up at thomas jefferson's inauguration. He is in fact until the very last minute trying to stack the court with judges who are favorable to him. He's doing everything. He can to exercise power until the very last moment but that peaceful transfer of power. Even if john adams didn't get to witness it on inauguration day is one of those things that made people in other countries look at the united states and say oh my god they're actually doing this thing So it really does matter to really powerful moment and it's so core to what american democracy is. I suppose it's also you know. I guess a lot of the more famous speeches. In american politics presidential speeches have been at inauguration. I mean it's funny. We've we've talked about this on the show that actually stated the unions don't actually maybe stick with people that much but inauguration certainly do and so if you think that rhetoric matters than that's an argument for its importance uneven you know donald trump i think inauguration two thousand seventeen was probably the first in what seems like an infinite list of like. Is there going to be a tone change. For donald trump and he came out and gave that american carnage speech. And i think it was like the first of many times where we said. Okay this is what it is. He is what he is and we know where where this is headed. So i you know. I i will say that it does matter in that sense. They set the tone. That's for sure. I mean even if you think about famous speeches i think of john f. kennedy asked now what your country can do for you like that is submitted minds in terms of like some of the most memorable speeches that people give but also some of the pageantry performances. You know who sings. Inauguration who gives a poem inauguration all of those aspects who attends who are the vip's and who's who that matters as well. I mean it is. Also i guess in theory like your moment of highest political capital and maybe your entire is like the slowly deflating balloons for that moment on you. Get to sort of say your piece with the most good faith in theory Of anyone else out there Okay so let's talk about some other inaugurations and we get to play this Little rhetorical trick here. We said we're going to talk about is inauguration that means both tension on stage but it also means Because we can get into this but you know inaugurations well actually the ones. We've been talking about in the nineteenth century in march. And we've we've mentioned how the inauguration day got moved up to mid january Inaugurations kelly can be very cold. Like not just emotionally actually. Russia has a big effect. On the i have only attended one inauguration and that was the inauguration of barack obama and i will say i'm not likely to go to another one again it was so rigid and so the amount of layers of clothing. And then you know half the time you you can't even really see what's going on because you're behind thousands of thousands of people and so I realize now. I can just watch it from the comfort of my home but i do realize that you know we have to have at least a couple months for the new president elect transitions team to figure out who. They're going to put an office and how they're going to set up shop but january is one of the coldest months of the year and so it makes it incredibly hard particularly when you're trying to organize crowds of people outside. Yeah it's not so great and even back when the inauguration was still being held in march it's in d. c. and that does not protect you from having super cold weather so grant who already had kind of a mess of on inauguration in eighteen sixty nine in eighteen seventy three. He's out there getting re inaugurated. The temperature is sixteen degrees. The windsor coming through making it feel like minus fifteen minus thirty degrees outside. And so not only is he having his inauguration they have ambulances lined up so that the people who are attending can go get their frostbite taken care of but he has his inaugural balls outside. So people are like in these heavy cloaks. They're trying to dance. everything's kind of frozen. They had one hundred canaries that they had brought to serenade. And they all used to death So i will say that. It's an awfully suspicious. Start to your second. Inauguration killed hundreds of canary. Well this gets something. Because this show. And i think more people are feeling it now. Given what's going down in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one this show. I will give ourselves credit. We've been on the record for a long time that saying. The gap between election and inauguration is too long. But this does a catch. Twenty two here. Because you don't want to move it up it's still going to be very cold. You could say like oh. Let's make it in the summer and where it'll be warmer. But but you know if you want to have your inauguration as to after the election as possible. You're in a pickle unless you do it. Like in florida or or something In december you're going to have to ship the location or shift the election. Naga ration- move the election to june inauguration to august. Like it's a real pickle to you know you have the election at the beginning of november. You have at the inauguration in late january but then you have like five holidays stuffed in between there so even trying to move it. You're running up against christmas. New years thanksgiving. There's just no room for it but it is true just in general. I think something is broken with transitions And i think something needs to needs to change their especially now like you know. We've talked about on the show that the gap was there because sometimes it would take a long time for information to spread in for the women to be announced employee. living in a different era. You can call the election. And then i think there does does need to be some time a week to still counting votes right. That's true no. And i mean when you hear about functioning transitions not the one. That's here. It really is like a massive amount of transfer of information. But i just think that americans and i will count myself among aired like. We have a new president. They should be able to just get their hands dirty in and go go go So i don't know the answer is smarter. People than us will hopefully figure out or not figure it out Let's lock the nine hundred. Sixty one inauguration. This is one of my favorites This is jfk. Ask not as as kelly mentioned very famous but a couple of other. Things happen that in allegation that i don't think people realize one of my favorite moments. The podium that people were speaking from briefly caught on fire due to an electrical short in the power system while cardinal richard cushing was delivering the invocation when stuff catches on fire in the middle of a prayer like. It's not a good sign. Can you imagine praying with your eyes. Closed send us. That's possible assign And then the other thing that happens. Robert famously. Does a reading at that and i think frost was very old at that time and kennedy really had to convince frost to come and give an route. Frost gets up there and tries to read and their snow on the ground. And apparently the glare from the snow made it so that he couldn't even read the pages in front of him and johnson went up and tried to shield him from the snow and didn't really work so frost ad-lib and like switches poems and reads from memory. The end of different poem and people i think picked up on it and really liked it Answer a applauded but again you know it's It's live events are very hard to stage. I guess yeah and then when you try to over manage them you end up with something like richard. Nixon had in nineteen seventy-three when he was so worried about all of these pigeons making a mess on the parade route. He has gone through and use a chemical bird repellent along the route. And i mean it gets rid of the pigeons in a sense in that it kills them all but it means that as people are on the parade route there are these dead birds everywhere. Inaugurations are not good for us. I will say this. If there's one president that was kind of like we're not doing this not dealing with the cold weather. It's ronald reagan's second inaugurations so in nineteen eighty-five but winter weather was so cold that he basically said we're taking this sensei oval office inside the capitol and canceled the inauguration parade that to me. Sounds like a pint. Hundreds of years of american history and he was the first one who's just like maybe we just go inside where it's warmer revolutionary And then i wanna mention one of those sort of interesting moment. And then i want to start to wrap up with some kind of bigger thoughts about where we are now. But you know there. Was you mentioned barack obama in two thousand nine. There wasn't smo- intern. I was. I guess i was covering the election. I think i was down there. But then i remember also covering for wnyc's. I don't know what was going on but John roberts who administered the oath tried to do it from memory and he screwed it up and remember an obama. Did this interesting thing. Where i think caught in real time that roberts had screwed up. But he didn't correct him. Which would have been like a big moment in of itself so he goes along with it and recites the wrong oath and i think there was a moment. You know a number of hours. Technically where obama had not been formally sworn in because he did not recite the oath properly. So again you know these are these are humans they they are petty. Screw up the forget their reading glasses. They light podium on. Fire can happen. I remember that. I remember that gap and i also remember. There are pictures of him in video footage of him like being sworn in officially to Rectify the fact that they had gotten wrong but seems insane to do given all of the you know who allow over his birth certificate. He had by that point known that every loophole would be exploited. He needed to. Yes all right. So so what do you think about This year. Look i mean. It's hard to say. What will transpire On inauguration day itself but kelly. where's your head at. In terms of what this inauguration day might look like and again to this notion that it is important symbolically. what is being. What is being symbolized. This moment as you see it. I mean. This is the first inauguration doing a global pandemic. So i think a lot of things different simply because of the fact that they will not be any inaugural balls. They won't be you know sort of the massive gatherings that we would normally anticipate and then giving all of the violence and protests and riots. That have taken place. I think a lot of people are feeling a bit conflicted about what this inauguration means. I myself. I'm not quite sure what to make of it or how stories. We'll look back on this moment in twenty thirty years and say oh my gosh. Was this not insane or wow. We managed to really Nice and that was crazy. So i'm not quite sure but i'm definitely looking forward to watching it. There's been all kinds of means and jokes on the internet. Someone's like they should just send biden. Income hairs docu sign and tell them off but it's i think people are also worried about violence and other attempt to violence. Yeah look i mean. This is an inauguration that is happening without a peaceful transfer of power and it is going to look like that the pandemic obviously means that there won't be very people in attendance. But you know who will be in attendance. The national guard and i think that that is an imagery that is both going to be startling but also is going to be a real reflection of the conditions under which the inauguration is being held. Yeah that's where my head's at to just the the exact symbolism of inauguration which is you know in theory unity and welcome. This is the people's house and the people were there and your leaders are here. Everyone's there together. I mean that is exactly the thing that's being stripped for understandable reasons the pandemic and threat of violence But we've talked about sort of my love for state houses before and state capitals before. But you know just like this notion that you can walk up to this space and it is your space and and that in the last couple of weeks has been ripped from us and i think it's a shame that the inauguration not start to do work to to rectify that That said you know. I think the important thing is that it's safe and that we move on and I don't think anyone expected a normal end to the donald trump presidency. So you got All right well. Let's let's end our podcast at the very least their Nicole hammer thanks to you as always thank you. Jody and kelly carter jackson. Thanks to you and we'll see you next episode and the episode of that and the that thank you let me do it. This day an esoteric political history is a proud member of radio. 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Scandal 47: The Election of 1876

Political Scandals

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Scandal 47: The Election of 1876

"In the year leading up to the twenty twenty election we're counting down the biggest scandals in American political history. This is number forty seven. The election of eighteen. Seventy six may ten eighteen. Seventy six FAIRMONT Park Philadelphia over one hundred and eighty thousand. Americans gathered to listen to President. Ulysses S. grant launched the Centennial Exposition. A six month long event commemorating America's hundredth birthday grant. Speech was short. Ort An uninspiring. It was obvious even to him that his presidency was nearing its end. The years of scandal in both his administration restauration and Congress had tarnished the former general's reputation by the time he left the dais. No one was sad to see him. Go the guests. Were ready ready to move along and see all the attractions. American life was on display for all to see the exhibit with the most. Buzz was the enormous corliss steam. Engine a Goliath of American industry that helped power the factories and mills between eight and ten million tourists would walk through the park and gaze at these displays of American greatness that it was all smoke and mirrors for almost twelve years. The country had been reeling from the bloody and devastating civil war between grants parade of scandals and the poor handling of southern reconstruction. America was in need of soul-searching. The upcoming election brought the promise of cleansing a new beginning. What America got instead was one of the most disputed controversial and consequential presidential the elections in its young history Welcome to political scandals. Apar- cast original. I'm Richard and I'm kate. You can find all olympus odes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream political scandals for free on spotify edify just open the APP and type political scandals in the search bar at park cast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help Before the civil war was even over. President Abraham Lincoln and his cabinet were discussing discussing what to do with the southern states once they were defeated as early as December eighteen. Sixty Three Lincoln had proposed pardons for any southerners. WHO swore a loyalty? You if ten percent of a state's qualified voters white men pledged their loyalty they would be allowed to elect a new state government and send representatives to Washington. The plan was divisive. As was everything. Lincoln did but Lincoln was reelected in eighteen sixty four as the war slowed to an end. All signs pointed to his plan for reconstruction until one rogue southern actor derailed everything when John Wilkes booth assassinated Lincoln in April eighteen. Sixty five five. He not only altered the course of history for the United States but for the South specifically Vice President Andrew Johnson a Democrat whose roots lay with the south was sworn in as president and the reconstruction problem now fell into his lap a racist and a raging aging alcoholic. Andrew Johnson was unequivocally the wrong man to lead the reconstruction he led the southern states hold their own elections create their own governments and draft their own state constitutions as they wished the results were disastrous. Entered the black codes. While the specific laws varied among the states they're unified purpose was to limit the freedom of blacks as much each as possible as one South Carolina politician brazenly put it quote. The general interest of both the White Man and the Negro requires that that he should be kept as near to his former condition as law can keep him going hand in hand with the black codes was an escalation of racial violence in the summer of eighteen. Sixty six both Memphis and New Orleans saw riots and massacres by the white population that left over one hundred black citizens either dead or injured in the north the radical republicans were outraged to them. The violence silence proved that Johnson was incapable of handling the south the Republican controlled. Congress decided to fight back the the first thing they did was refused to acknowledge the new southern Congressmen who had been sent to Washington. Many of whom were former confederates. We mean net literally when roll call was taken at the beginning of the first session. The clerk purposely skipped over the southerners article one section five five of the Constitution gives both houses the right to refuse newly elected members their seats if they are deemed unfit so by refusing into acknowledge the new representatives. Their seats were technically considered vacant. The South had no say over federal legislation ones ones that was taken care of the next order of business was to ensure black suffrage. It was clear that the south was going to do their damnedest to stifle. Voting writes the solution. The Fourteenth Amendment the Fourteenth Amendment has three major clauses. I it ensures that any person born in the United States was automatically a citizen second. It declares that no state can deny person due process and finally no state can deny a person equal protection under the law. The bill also declared that anyone who had sworn an oath to protect the constitution but then engaged in insurrection against it I e any southern official who joined the confederates was no longer allowed to hold public office getting the amendment ratified in the south was going to be tough. So the Republicans found a way to force force their hand. They passed the reconstruction act of eighteen sixty seven which divided the south into five military districts controlled by the United States army. The only way a state would be readmitted into the union was if they ratified the Fourteenth Amendment for the next few years many southern states chose to live with the Union army rather than ratify the amendment president. Johnson of course tried to veto every bill. The Republican Congress sent him but in eighteen sixty eight he was replaced by the former union war hero ulysses s grant who resoundingly won the electoral vote. Two hundred fourteen to eighty with a Republican in office. There was hope that stability could be restored. However grant's presidency was marred by scandal? He had a bad habit of putting his faith in the wrong on people. Instead of trusting career politicians. He turned to military men who had little to no understanding of how things like the economy. He worked for eight years. Americans opened their newspapers almost every morning. To read about some new indefensible act committed by the grant administration in eighteen sixty nine to Wall Street investors Jay Gould and James Fisk conned the president into pausing using his currency buy back program which sent the value of gold into a tailspin. The stock market dropped twenty percent in one day leaving being the economy in ruins. This was just the beginning before the eighteen. Seventy two elections word got out that Vice President Schuyler Colfax along with several members of Congress had taken bribes from the credit mobilier construction company five years earlier. Shockingly grants don't still won reelection by an even bigger margin. The last time had he known what the next four years would have been like. He probably would have wished he'd lost nine months into his second term. A wave of banking firms filed for bankruptcy and the economy. He collapsed again. Wages were cut labor. Strikes broke out up until the nineteen thirties. This period was known as the the Great Depression and then in eighteen seventy five. The whiskey ring scandal broke members of grants administration had worked with Midwestern distillers Stiller's to defraud the IRS lining their pockets with millions. And yet that was still not the end. In the spring of eighteen seventy six congress discovered that Secretary of War William BELKNAP had received kickbacks in exchange for military appointments BELKNAP resigned. But that didn't stop the house from drafting the articles of impeachment and calling forty witnesses to testify against him. This scandal was the icing on the cake for grounds legacy for eight years. Here's the administration and the Republicans as a whole had been nothing but corrupt and dishonest. The Democrats saw eighteen seventy six as their a chance to seize back power and for the Republicans. The election offered a chance for rebranding to distance themselves from the myriad scandals scandals they had to answer for what resulted was the nominations of two of the safest possible presidential candidates from both parties and one of the most controversial outcomes in election history coming up the Republicans skins battled to choose a nominee for president while the Democrats easily pick a man known for fighting corruption. Now back to the story in the decade after the civil war the United States was thrown into the political chaos beyond all the disputes over reconstruction and civil rights. President Ulysses grant ushered in a wave of corruption that that no one had expected the Republicans the Democrats and everyday citizens were ready for a change and in eighteen. Seventy six America's because one hundredth birthday. The timing was serendipitous. The joke was on the American people. The eighteen seventy six Republican national convention began on June fourteenth in Cincinnati Ohio over seven hundred. Fifty delegates relegates poured into exposition hall to select the man who would face off for the presidency. The front runner was the recently appointed senator from Maine. James G Blaine. He gained popularity as a Republican as Speaker of the House since eighteen sixty nine Blaine had weathered the ground lance storm while keeping a firm grip on reconstruction. He solidified his place. As Front runner in January eighteen seventy six a bill was is making. Its way through Congress to give amnesty to the seven hundred and fifty former confederate soldiers still barred from holding public office in a clearly a tactical move blamed gave a speech singling out confederate. President Jefferson Davis as a man who deserved no such sympathy. He blamed blamed Davis for being the architect of Andersonville the most notorious confederate prison camp where union soldiers were starved tortured and murdered ordered. The speech was more grandstanding than anything. And it all but secured his position among the Republican Party as was the norm. None of the nominees including Blaine and the other leading candidate. Indiana senator. Oliver Morton attended the events Bentson Cincinnati Rather. They stayed at home and waited for the inevitable. Telegram that Blaine had secured the nomination but at the convention an unlikely unlikely name began to circulate among the delegates. Ohio Governor Rutherford B Hayes. It was unlikely that he would make much of an impact in an already crowded field. But Hayes name was prominent on the streets of Cincinnati and a small group was rooting for the hometown hero to secure the nomination. A candidate needed to win. Three hundred and seventy nine votes on the first ballot. Blaine received two hundred. Eighty five second-place Oliver Morton received one hundred and twenty four. So they voted again for blames camp. The nomination was his to lose trouble started brewing on the fifth ballot. The Michigan delegates were divided between Blaine and Morton realizing Morton had no real chance. The Chairman of the Michigan delegation decided to change things up. He declared that there was only only one candidate. Who'd proven three times that he could beat a Democrat? Michigan would cast its votes for Ohio Governor. Rutherford B Hayes days. What resulted was chaos? Morton quickly became an afterthought as Hayes rose into second place to ballots. Later Peter Rutherford B Hayes won the nomination by five votes. His running mate would be a man. Hayes had no clue existed former former New York representative William Wheeler Hayes. Nominations seemed to have come more out of Anti Blaine frustration than Pro Hayes. Excitement Blaine had positioned himself well within his party but he still had enemies within the party. Who vowed to stop him from taking the White House? But Rutherford B Hayes was scandal free and had neither friends nor enemies as historian. Henry Adams. PUT IT Hayes was a third rate non entity whose only recommendation is that. He is obnoxious to Channel One. But while Hayes wasn't the flashy choice his nomination wasn't entirely without merit during the civil war he served as a major general general. He saw a battle fighting guerrilla forces in West Virginia and was injured at the Battle of South Mountain in eighteen. Sixty two while still out in combat as was elected to Congress he refused to go to Washington until the war was over once the battles ended in eighteen sixty five hayes represented represented Ohio's second district for two years voting in favor of the reconstruction acts in eighteen sixty seven. He resigned and ran for Governor Governor. He's won the governor's race two terms in a row. He led the charge to ratify the fifteenth amendment. Black suffrage would be the only real achievement in his tenure as governor and at the end of his second term in eighteen seventy two. He decided to retire from politics. Private life lasted lasted three years. Then he was called out of retirement to run again. He's won a third term largely on the back of anti Catholic sentiment. Though Hayes himself was unreligious he played into a wave of fears that Catholics would take over the state via school funding going into the Republican convention. Attention in eighteen. Seventy six Hayes was popular among the party. If not among the Catholics but his winning the nomination still had more to do with infighting in-fighting than his own merits after all. It took five ballots before Hayes earned a single vote. The same couldn't be said for the other side of the aisle for the power starved. Democrats heading into the convention to nominate New York Governor Samuel. Tilden was nothing more than a formality. Samuel Tilden seemed destined to end up in the White House. Almost as if he was just born for it as a child he was fragile and constantly. Sick though it's believed he was more of a hypochondriac than anything whether he actually suffered from the litany of elements. He complained about is up for debate but either way they kept him inside where he spent his days days reading philosophical and political books he grew up to become a lawyer and never lost his eye toward politics. He even became an ardent fan of of Martin. Van Buren when the war broke out instead of fighting on the front lines. Tilden stayed in the safety of northern cities working on democratic campaigns in New York but it was after the war when he really made his political bones in eighteen sixty six. Tilden became the chairman of the New York Democratic Committee which put him squarely in the crosshairs of boss. Tweed and Tammany Hall machine for decades Tammany Hall Hall was the Nexus of Democratic political corruption and bribery. When William boss Tweed took control in eighteen fifty eight the graft only got worse as Democratic Committee chairman? Tilden was determined to thwart tweeds corruption. His chance came in eighteen. Seventy ninety one when the New York Times got a hold of the tweed ring's account books. Tilden and a team of assistance began scouring through the bank records Kurds with his background law. Politics and campaign finance he was able to make sense of the coded language in regards to the payoffs tweed aide was eventually forced to flee New York and Tilden became the model of reform in November. Eighteen seventy four tilden's efforts were rewarded with the governorship of New York and for the next two years. His name was whispered out loud as a presidential contender at the end end of June eighteen. Seventy six when the Democrats met in Saint Louis Samuel. Tilden was chosen as the nominee. After only two votes going going into the election season. It looked like tilden could be the first elected Democrat in the White House since before the civil war. The signs were there. When during the previous midterms the Democrats we claim the House of Representatives and regained control over most of the southern state governments that had been commandeered in the northern Republicans? The we Florida and South Carolina were the only states that remained in republican hands with the candidates picked. It was time for the two parties to sell their message to the American people. Both parties had essentially nominated an adult after years of corruption and disarray not to mention the civil war. Both sides sides agreed that the country needed someone stable in fact the two parties seem to have agreed on most issues namely ending reconstruction and reforming Washington. But that didn't mean it was a clean election for the Republicans. Their message was to forget about the so-called corrupt erupt grant administration rather. They wanted people to remember that they were the Party of Lincoln and the Democrats were the ones who started the civil war when you were to think of a Democrat picture. John Wilkes booth picture slavery picture chaos. They urged people to vote how they shot. Not during the war. Democrats in both the north and the south were able to unite behind the message of Republican corruption and a need for revenge. Reform was the main point but deep down the Democrats seem to be more excited about revenge for years especially in the north. Republicans said painted all Democrats as traitors and for southern Democrats. They'd spent years living under the control of Sham Republican looking governments who allow carpetbaggers and scalawags to have their way with the land. The candidates themselves were at the center of the partisan fray. The Democrats used Hayes history of Anti Catholicism against him a move to scare Irish voters in cities like Boston and Chicago. The the Republicans responded by claiming that Tilden was a homosexual and that he suffered from syphilis. It should be noted that neither hayes nor tilden ever ever went around and did the mudslinging themselves in fact both men hardly campaigned. Tilden denied any involvement in a certain rumor that he's had stolen money from a dead soldier during the civil war and Hayes twos seemed inclined to rise above libel and slander but as far as the parties were. We're concerned dirty. Tactics were as American as Apple Pie. Personal jobs have always been the norm. What set the eighteen seventy six election over? The edge was the violence in the south especially especially in the last three. Republican held states of Florida Louisiana and South Carolina intimidation against black voters by Democrats was rampant. Opened at first. Democrats tried to appeal to black voters with regular campaign tactics but they were remembered as the Party of slavery so it was obvious that the black population was going to vote Republican in Florida. The Democrats decided to use economic intimidation. If a black sharecropper was suspected of voting for Hayes a levy was imposed on them by their white landlords or doctors in Louisiana the Democrats Kratz had the good fortune of running a candidate for governor who managed to be respected by both whites and blacks corruption by the Republican incumbent had forced forced many black voters to switch parties but in South Carolina. The tactic of choice was violence with the rise of the white terrorist. Paramilitary -tary group. The red shirts blood spilled all summer and fall. Hundreds of black residents. Were murdered as a way to scare the survivors into voting for the Democrats Samuel. Tilden was forced to denounce the violence in the south which naturally caused southern Democrats to denounce Tilden Gordon. In there is he was no different than Hayes. His sure bet states in the south where now in jeopardy luckily for him in the middle middle of October a riot broke out in Cain Hoy South Carolina. President grant responded by sending over one thousand one hundred union troops into into the state putting South Carolina back under the Republican thumb. The move gave the Democrat. Tilden boost going into November. Tilden had emerged as the heavy favorite in Ohio and Pennsylvania. The state elections resulted in Democrat victories. Aw He's knew that if his home state couldn't vote Republican. Then what chance did he really have between that and the violence and intimidation in the south. He was sure to lose on November seventh eighteen. Seventy six eight and a half million Americans went to the polls. He stayed home all day. Drafting notes on how he would concede tilden. Meanwhile spent the day in New York City congratulating his staff on a well fought campaign after a quiet dinner with friends. He went back to the Democratic headquarters and found out that he won. Indiana new New Jersey and Connecticut three northern states. That could have gone anyone's way. Children retired to his home and fell asleep with a smile smile on his face he had just been elected. The nineteenth president of the United States in a few short months he would be sworn in and start mark reforming Washington. Of course when he and Hayes awoke the next morning they would both be in for a surprise coming up. A back. Door deal puts an end to the long-suffering election of eighteen. Seventy six now now back to the story when Democrat Samuel Tilden and Republican rougher for be Hayes went to bed on November seventh eighteen. Seventy six both men believed that Tilden had won a clear cut victory or or had he as Americans woke up on November. Eighth newspapers were running conflicting headlines most had declared tilden the winner but some like the New York Times and the New York Herald weren't so sure tilden had locked in in seventeen states for a total of one hundred ninety four electoral votes Hayes. Meanwhile had eighteen states which equaled one hundred and sixty five electoral votes at the time. One hundred and eighty five votes. Was the threshold to win. Tilden only needed one more. Vote and he he was in. There were four states that had yet to be accounted for on the morning of November Ninth Florida South Carolina Louisiana and Oregon an together. These states held the final twenty electoral votes. And if we've learned anything about the electoral college so far it's that the delegates it's typically caused more problems than they solved. He's had a thousand vote. Lead over Tilden in Oregon's popular vote so the state's electoral all delegates should have been Republicans but the Democrat governor claimed that one of the Republican electors had a conflict of interest and tried to replace him with a Democrat Democrat in the grand scheme of things. Oregon wasn't nearly as important as the southern states. Were and if things were so heated in Oregon what was going and to happen. When South Carolina turned in their vote then seemingly out of nowhere the times change the unofficial results posted outside their building? Hayes one hundred eighty five tilden one hundred and eighty four. It made no sense to either side especially given the news of voter fraud and intimidation in the south. By the end of the day both sides were claiming victory. Despite the fact that nothing had been made official it was obvious that the Republicans would refuse to accept a Democrat victory because of the voter intimidation they'd caused and Democrats would refuse a Republican and victory because Tilden had one more of the popular vote by roughly a quarter million more votes on December. Sixth the delegates to the Electoral College finally met at their respective state capitals to officially record their votes for president. Though it was obvious how thirty four states were going to vote those last four where still up in the air given the bitterness between the parties. He's in those four states. The vote itself was not going to be enough to settle things in all four states the Democrats and Republicans both sent their own electoral certificates to Washington claiming their man was the winner. That's right each party. Claimed that their certificate was the official shall one even if it wasn't signed by the State's governor South Carolina was further thrown into chaos when both the Republican and Democratic candidate claimed claim victory as governor as well leading to questions about who should even be signing the electoral certificate in the first place amidst all the chaos in December sixth ended with a stalemate the electoral college had seen its share of ties and faithless electors. But what do you do when the votes themselves themselves are in question. The Constitution doesn't have an answer under the twelfth amendment once once the certificates from each state are sent to Congress. It's the job of the president of the Senate to open and count them. The wording is vague and doesn't account out for the unforeseen possibility that some states would send two different certificates. Normally the title of President of the Senate would fall to the vice as president but in grants final years in office there was no VP. His First Vice President Schuyler Colfax had been dropped from the ticket after the credit mobilier scandal and his replacement Henry Wilson had died of a stroke in eighteen seventy five so instead the task fell to the president. President pro tempore a senator Thomas. Ferry a Republican from Michigan Ferry was in a bind as a Republican many assumed he would just read out the Republican certificates from the disputed states and call it a day Democrats. Meanwhile argued that they should throw out the four disputed needed states entirely and follow the rest of the set of rules set by the Twelfth Amendment since neither candidate had a majority the house votes on President while the Senate votes on Vice President of course with the Democrats holding a majority in the house. This meant that Tilden would win. Republicans scoffed often the idea but both sides knew something needed to be done on December. Seventh Iowa Congressman. George McCreery proposed that they settled settled. The dispute in a bipartisan committee made up of four Democrats and three Republicans as soon as the resolution passed the Senate created a committee Eddie of their own. This one comprised four Republicans and three Democrats with two competing election committees. Nothing had really been solved eventually. It was agreed that the two committees should combine their efforts into a single electoral commission. But this meant the Republicans and the Democrats Kratz were evenly divided. Seven and seven. They'd be locked in a stalemate forever. Republicans proposed adding members of the Supreme Court to the Commission. This would have seemed like a great idea in theory except that the Republicans specifically wanted chief Chief Justice Morrison are wait. Wait was a known partisan judge and was family friends with Rutherford B Hayes. The Democrats cried I fouled after some back and forth. Both sides agreed to restructure the electoral commission. Now there would be ten. Legislators five Republicans and five Democrats and five Supreme Court justices to avoid any accusations of prejudice. Six justice this names would be thrown into a hat and five would be picked at random. The resulting draw was three Republicans and two Democrats. The Democrats still had hope. Despite three justices being Republican Justice Joseph Bradley was considered the least partisan of the bunch with the right argument. They could convince Bradley. That tilden who'd won the popular vote by a wide margin should be declared the winner on February first the electoral certificates from December or finally opened Linden read aloud in the Senate alphabetically state by state. When I got to Florida he called it for Hayes and the Democrats called on the the electoral commission to do its duty for the next four days? Lawyers presented their arguments to the commission when it came time to vote all allies were on justice. Bradley Bradley Voted Along Party. Lines siding with the Republicans by an eight two seven decision. Florida Florida officially went to as the Democrats were outraged. Rumours began to circulate. That Bradley was bribed and threats. Were made against dance. The judges life but no amount of protests mattered. His decision ultimately signaled the end of the election. Louisiana also went and eight two seven in favor of Hayes with only two disputed states left to call the Democrats knew their time was running out they began again to entertain the idea of filibuster March. Fourth was the end of grant's presidency as well as the expiration date for the Electoral Commission if Democrats were able to drone on beyond that date it meant Hayes. Couldn't be sworn in what would happen. Instead was anyone's guess. Yes but it was a hail Mary. The DEM's were seriously considering but it didn't come to that. On the evening of February twenty sixth eighteen eighteen seventy seven Edward Burke. The Chairman of the Louisiana Democratic State Committee met with various Southern Democrats and Republicans to finalize analyze. A set of back door deals. The negotiations were all made. Without either Hayes or Tilden's knowledge the conspirators met at the Worm Lee Hotel in Washington d see One of the attendees representing Hayes was future President James Garfield it said that when Garfield learned the true nature of the meeting he got up and left not that the cabal needed Garfield approval. The terms were simple. The Democrats would not filibuster and would officially recognize Hayes as president as long as hayes looked kindly toward the south once in office. This meant that federal troops would be removed from the southern in states and Washington would recognize the recently elected Democrat governors. Racial violence in the south was still a major concern for the Republicans Lukens so in return. The Democrats promised to protect black civil liberties. The compromise of eighteen seventy seven effectively give league ended both the political upheaval in Washington and more importantly reconstruction. But there's some debate about how much this deal actually truly impacted the outcome of the election. The writing was already on the wall. For a haze victory. What happened next probably would have happened anyway? Compromise or no compromise two days later. The Electoral Commission voted on South Carolina's disputed certificates eight. Two seven in in favor of Hayes like the others in a last ditch effort to stall at four ten. AM On march second. The House of Representatives made it official Hayes. One hundred eighty five tilden. One hundred eighty four. Rutherford B. Hayes was the nineteenth president of the United States to prevent any sort of last-second Second Democrat. Meddling Hayes was secretly sworn in on the night of March third two days later. He publicly made his oath the fear that Tilden children would try to up end. The Sham victory was sort of absurd house. Democrats did pass a resolution proclaiming tilden as the duly elected president but tilden himself had already accepted. That he wouldn't be taking the oath he famously said I can retire to private life but the consciousness this that I shall receive from posterity. The credit of having been elected to the highest position in the gift of the people without any of the cares and responsibilities disabilities of the office as for Hayes. When he got into the White House he realized sized he was on his own? He has attempted to end reconstruction policies but pressure from both Republicans and Democrats forced his hand. At at the beginning of April Hayes declared that violence was no longer a threat in South Carolina and a week later. Federal troops left the state capital by the the end of April eighteen. Seventy seven reconstruction was officially over the people. Most affected were of course southern blacks the Democrats. Who promised to protect them? Didn't and the infamous black codes during reconstruction gave way to Jim Crow laws the long term effects of which are still felt today. Right after taking office Hayes promise that he would only serve a single term and he kept Ed Promise. After leaving office in eighteen eighty one. He retired from public life for Good Samuel. Tilden claim to retire. Knowing that he he was the real winner of the eighteen. Seventy six election however an investigation into the election found old telegrams that suggested his campaign campaign had used bribery to secure two of the contested states South Carolina and Florida. Tilden himself was implicated in the telegrams but it greatly damaged his reputation up until till two thousand. The election of eighteen seventy six was considered the most disputed presidential election in us. History Samuel Tilden. Lynn received over two hundred fifty thousand more popular votes than Hayes and appeared to have locked down the electoral college but through a series of backroom. MM deals and partisan rulings. Tilden lost. He was the second person in history to have won the popular vote but lost the election before. Tilden was Andrew Jackson in eighteen. Twenty four in later years there was grover Cleveland in eighteen eighty eight Al Gore in two thousand and Hillary Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen for a campaign rooted in ending corruption. The election of eighteen seventy six proved to be one of the most corrupt in history between voter fraud. Intimidation and outright theft. 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Ep. 1036 - Tearing Down The Country

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Ep. 1036 - Tearing Down The Country

"Protesters tear down statues of Great Americans while the editor of the Sixteen Nineteen Projects Shears the Mon- shootings breakout in major cities across the United States in President. Trump throws a sort of party in Tulsa. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. The Ben Shapiro show is sponsored by expressive VPN. Stand up for your digital rights. Take action at Express VPN, dot, com slash, Ben. Are you got a ton to get to? A lot to get to date, we'll get to all of it in just one second I let us talk about a simple fact. These days you're sitting at home a lot and perhaps one of the things you've forgotten to do is brush your teeth I know it's one of those things to town small, but it's actually quite large because you don't brush your teeth that. That actually has implications for all of your health. Good health means starting with good habits and quip makes it easy by delivering all the oral care essentials. You need to brush and floss better. 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Do, you realize that the past starting from yesterday has been actually abolished. If it survives anywhere, it's in a few solid objects with no words attached to them like L. Glass there already we know almost literally nothing about the revolution and the years before the revolution, every record has been destroyed or falsified. Every book has been rewritten. Every picture has been repainted. Every statue and Street and building has been renamed. Every date has been altered, and that process is continuing day by day minute by minute history has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right, I know of course the past is falsified, but it would never be possible for me to prove it even when I. I did the falsification myself after the thing is done, no evidence ever remains. The only evidence is inside my own mind and I don't know any certainty that any other human being shares my memories, so in other words, the constant rewriting of history is necessary in order for perpetual revolution to continue, because of course, if people remember the past, if people remember that not all the principles being espoused by the party in nineteen, eighty-four are right, or are actually in concert with reality or history than it presents a threat to the party, and so all of history must be wiped away. All of history must be rewritten. We have to relaunch at years. Zero and we are seeing this from today's revolutionaries and. Not Exaggerating here, the goal of many people on the what I call them my book. The disintegration has left. The goal of many of those people is to destroy all icons of American History Destroy American history itself, and this is why you see in San. Francisco's Golden Gate Park. The tearing down of a wide variety of statues, including statues of people were deeply instrumental in ending slavery and fighting the. Anti Reconstruction South so ulysses s grant who is now being sort of in revisionist fashion, thought of is a very very good president, originally was thought of as as now a great president because of corruption and Venality, supposedly during his administration turns out. A lot of that history had been written by people were sort of sympathetic to the South Ulysses s grant is now is not only the general. General who smashed the confederacy, but also the president who helped try to implement reconstruction in a way that preserved the rights of black southerners and the end of his presidency men, the end of reconstruction efforts in America for one hundred years. It was really a tragedy, the end of his presidency, the reconstructionist Republicans the radical Republicans were basically ousted from power about the same time ulysses s grant. It ulysses grant is a great hero of American history. We're not talking here about taking down Robert. Lee Statues roaches controversial in of itself or certainly talking about taking down Nathan Bedford Forrest. Statues Red Thunder the KKK. You're taking down the statues of the guy who's the most instrumental general in destroying the slaveholding confederacy and the morons. I would say maybe they're not morons. Because again. They have an agenda, but the the. I would say the moral fools. On the on the radical left have decided that even statues of Ulysses grant have to be taken down. According to the hill, while grant is widely celebrated as being one of the leading forces who helped the union this of war, bringing an end to slavery in the United States. Some historians have pointed to his complicated relationship with slavery. Because as we know, most people did not have a complicated relationship with slavery in eighteen, fifty nine. It's liberty wasn't nothing. In Eighteen fifteen protesters in San Francisco on Friday toppled the statue of former president grant San Francisco police. Approximately four hundred people gathered around eight pm to take down the statue and no arrests were made. Where exactly are the COPS during office? Where is the law in order that we were promised exactly from the White House. Where exactly does this perpetual revolution end also torn down in the park? The Statue of Saint Juniper Sarah and Francis Scott Key wrote the lyrics to the Star spangled banner and people on the left are are really hesitant to condemn any of this. I've seen very little upset over the taking down of the Statue of Para Sarah. Despite the fact that Joe Biden was on tape and Nancy Pelosi, a standing in front of a statue of Saint Juniper Sarah at believe that the pope a few years back, because of course, he is a Catholic saint. The grant stature coming down is really the key right. Because when you talk about gene. Perez era. You can at least make the case that he treated the the natives badly, but. He's really in line with Columbus right. The idea here is that when Western people's came to the new world that they destroyed the new world on the back of their Western imperialism, because of course, imperialism colonialism evil never existed until the West arrived in the New World But okay June. Peiro Sarah. Who is the founder of the mission system in in California on behalf of the Spanish government? His statue was taken down. They went after a statue survived tastes, which doesn't even make sense. Race Orontes they don Quixote Cervantes was held as a slave for five years and went after his statue anyway because they don't know anything. They didn't know who this guy was a white guy the decided to. Defaced his statue was the basic idea here. But the taking down of the statue of grant is telling because again, rant figure who stood against slavery grants figure who was instrumental in destroying the confederacy grandstands for all the things that the protesters say they stood for at least if you're looking at his public image. But. He has to be taken down to. Because all of American history has to be rewritten not as the story of a country struggling to overcome the evils of human nature, struggling to overcome its own inability to fill its founding principles. Instead the country has to be rewritten as evil from founding and the people who have ever lived make no mistake. The only people who have ever lived are leftists from the radical sixties on everybody else in human history was bad everybody from the nineteen sixties on whose radical was good and even the. The sixties radicals were not radical enough, and they must be thrown out of the universities today. There were still a little too liberal, the radicals from the nineteen sixties because they they used to say things like we want to live a life beyond color in the United States. We Wanna live life where race doesn't matter in the United States. Even that is inherently racist, and so even they are not the only people who are good are the people who read the sixteen thousand nine project and think that represents all of American history. The only people who are good today. Are the the anti-racists pushed forward by Abraham Candy Right. Those are the only people who are good in the united. States today they live right now in an amazing to live at this time when the only good people live right, no good people have ever lived before, and if you took those people who are good today, and you plop them down in eighteen fifty believe exactly the same things they believe today in one, thousand, nine, hundred out there in the streets, stumping for transgender rights and gay marriage, and for anti racism of the mold that talks. Talks about how if you say that you are colorblind and you are totally in favor of the equality of races. Then that's not enough right, did they would? They would have exactly the same politics today as if they were plop down in fifteen hundred because history doesn't matter, history doesn't exist. The only thing that matters is that the only people who now are the people who are in charge of our cultural revolution. We're we get to the ideological basis for this because it's very clear, okay. This is not happening in a vacuum and the people who. Who are pushing it forward are deeply deeply dishonest. They're honest about their own desire to tear down the country. They are deeply dishonest about what exactly they are saying. Because what they're saying is just a pack of lies. We're going to get to that in just one second I. Let's talk about the fact that maybe these days you're tearing out your own hair or maybe just one of the two out of three dudes. He's going into experience some form of male pattern baldness by the time they're thirty five, the best way to prevent hair loss is. is to do something about it while he's still have hair left because once. The hair is gone probably coming back all that easily prevention is key keeps will help you. Make sure your hair is not lost. They make it easy. They deliver your medication every three months. You can say goodbye to pharmacy checkout lines and awkward doctors visiting visit the Doctor Online and get hair loss medications delivered right to your door keeps. 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S. dot com slash Ben keeps dot com slash bent, so they tore down the statue of Grant, suggesting of course, that grant wasn't abolitionist enough again only responsible for the breaking of the back of the confederacy, only responsible for overseeing the radical Republican attempts at reconstruction. But by bag I, know what's amazing. Is that some semi sane? People on the left will push back against the radicals, but many will not so adam serwer rights for the Atlantic and is definitely a member of the hardcore left. He says granted briefly owned one slave. You freed years before the war, but as a general smashed the confederacy as president, he crushed the clan, he presided over the ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment people going after grant probably just WanNa break things. And Matthew Yglesias. Who have called the Ralph? Whigham of the Internet. Right amount huge matthew, yglesias fan although he's been kind of cuddled into sanity over the last several months where you're seeing him, start to crack back against some of the the insanity of the censorious left. He feels like this is slippery slope overreach. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. There is a group of intellectuals who actually believe in this stuff Nicole Hannah. Jones is the leader of this Qadri Nicole Hannah. Jones is the creator of the Sixteen Nineteen Project you've heard me rip on the sixteen nineteen projects since inception because the sixty nine hundred project when we talk about that nineteen eighty-four, rewriting of dates and restarting of history and rewriting of history. She is exhibit a in this. This first social in a Pulitzer prize for bad history. That's literally what you WanNa Pulitzer. Prize for so she want to surprise. She brags about it. Her history was so bad that the New York Times, had a corrected choose chided by no less than three other Pulitzer prize winning historians because her history was not good, and she basically creates things out of whole cloth. What she says things online that. That are just a historical in the extreme. She'll say that. The Second Amendment is founded in white supremacy and pro slavery, which of course is not even close to true? It's not even close to true okay, but that that is her contention. She was putting. She's basically been handed the keys to the car over at the New York Times to the point where she has the capacity basically to oust. Oust the editorial page editor if she's angry. The editorial page editor for running an editorial by Senator Tom Cotton. She she's been granted the keys to the car has has this lady and she's very bad at her job, but she is is not like one of the more sane members of left. Who say maybe we're going a little too far. Her guys when we return down statues of Ulysses, grant. Instead. She's kind of like okay with it. She's kind of okay with it. So to understand why she's okay with it, you I have to understand. That, she's okay with the General Ideology of Tearing Down American history. In fact, she thinks it's good. She wants to American history torn down from inception, so we can rewrite history as the story of cruelty, evil and malice, and then we can tear. All of America's institutions remember as I talked about last week. There's been a shift on the left from the in the definition of racism itself. Racism in the nineteen sixties was seen as an obstacle that once. Once overcome would free all Americans to have equal rights under law is provided by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. This was the mlk definition of racism Martin Luther King Definition of racism is they're racist? Policies that deliberately target group of people that raises people who deliberately target one group of people, and if we can stop those people and those policies then freedom, we'll have been granted, and now you have individual agency to. To pursue your lives then in the nineteen sixty s late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, the definition of racism itself shifted, and suddenly it went from. Racism is an obstacle to be overcome to. Racism is the system the system equals racism. There's an equal sign there, and that means the only way to get rid of racism is to tear down the system itself. All institutions of the system are inherently white supremacist the only way to tear down the. The white supremacy of the system is to tear down the system itself there inextricable it is not that the systems are good, and were plagued by the problem and evil of white supremacy. Is that white supremacy created the systems? White supremacy maintains the systems, and even if you stop the openly racist policies, even if you stop the open racists from pursuing their goals, the system itself was constructed by people who are racist and therefore can never be fixed. The. It's sort of ideology that suggest that you have to tear down the art of artists because they had bad personal lives because they came from exactly the same place, so all the institutions have to be destroyed because the institutions themselves were bad and the reason they were bad is they were founded by people who were white supremacists and racists and you've seen this across the there is no limit to the principal. No limit at all I. Mean The New York Museum of natural. History has now announced. They're going to take down a statue of Teddy Roosevelt. Not Kidding, there's a statue of Teddy Roosevelt is coming down so the Roosevelt, who? You know intern several hundred thousand Japanese-americans. Those statues are still up a teddy. Roosevelt is being removed from the Museum of Natural History why because supposedly his a symbol of colonialism and racism. I looking forward to to seeing all the Woodrow Wilson monuments coming up, but Teddy Roosevelt is bad to everyone is bad. All all people in history are bad. The museum took action according to The Times amid a heated national debate over the appropriateness of statues are monuments that I focused on confederate symbols like Robert Lee, and has now moved on to a wider arc of figures from Christopher Columbus to Winston, Churchill, namely everyone namely everyone is remember last week, a craft fire to a statue of George Washington okay so to get back to the sixty nineteen projects. They're not being there, not being closed about this. They're not being subtle about any of this. Is So there is an article in the New York. Times called. Call them the sixteen nineteen riots, and the basic idea is the idea that I had been promulgating here. which is that a lot of the people who are rioting and looting? Are under the wildness impression pushed forward by those on the radical left in academia in the media, then America is inherently and forever evil. It must be torn down from its roots in that includes George Washington. That includes Thomas Jefferson that includes everybody. This is not restricted to the evils of the confederacy. This is not restricted to the evils of slavery. We have to tear down Washington because. Because, he was a slave holder. We have to turn on Jefferson because he was colder. We have to tear down grant because he held a slave for a year. We have to tear down. Everyone Teddy Roosevelt has to come down. Everyone has to come down everyone savante says that everyone has to come down case so there. Is that article? Miracles called called them the sixteen nineteen riots. And Nicole Hannah Jones, who's the creator of the of the Sixteen Nineteen Project? Right, she tweeted back. It would be an honor. Thank you. Again the picture that was featured in this tweet is a picture of a statue of George. Washington on the ground I believe. Is that George Washington on the ground. That may okay the the story itself is about the tearing down of the Statue of George Washington. At least much is fair. The story talk about the destruction of very. That's Thomas Jefferson Statue. I'm sorry. This is a the an on. It is painted slave owner, and of course, if you look at that torn down statue, of George, Washington, people had spray painted sixteen nineteen on the statue because the idea is that true founding member that equatorial the true founding the true date that matters is sixteen, nineteen and not seventeen, seventy, six, nine, hundred, sixty five. True. The True Story of America is sixty, nine hundred, and forever and always, and it doesn't matter what intervening events have happened. It doesn't matter what has happened to vitiate any of that doesn't matter. How many Americans died in order to rectify the founding vision of the United States doesn't matter. Six hundred thousand Americans died in the civil war doesn't matter that literally. Millions of white Americans had to back the civil rights movement in order for the civil, rights movement to actually take effect. And the the. United States is instead one of racial conflict in which black Americans were the only people. This is literally something Johnson basically said that black people were the only people were basically standing against the tyranny of America forever, and always because America's evil in has to be torn down so. 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These Sixteen Nineteen Project Pulitzer Prize winner for an essay, so bad had to be corrected by the New York Times. She writes I think maybe grants is not a statue of toppling I think maybe maybe it's not a statue. Worth toppling is not that it's bad to topple data, not that it's immoral evil or a blot top of the statue of a man who is the chief. The chief architect of the destruction of the confederacy and the guy behind the fifteenth, amendment and the Guy Behind the radical reconstruction attempt to to stop the KKK No. Maybe it's just not worth it. You know guys. Maybe maybe we shouldn't bother shows. I also understand after decades of shrugs when people spoke of the hurt of having been demeaned by public tributes of entering buildings of walking to art that celebrated white supremacist. How over zealous overzealousness occurs? Oh, so it's just overzealousness tearing down the grand statues. That's what it's just a little over zealous guys. Don't you understand you know you ignored? When they wanted to tear down all the statues of like Robert E. Lee and Nathan Bedford forrest and you can see how people would be like upset and tear down the person who destroyed Robert De, lean, eighth and bed force. It makes perfect sense I know that when when people say to me Ben, you know. You're going to hard after the commies. My first reaction is to burn American flag because it makes perfect sense I just directly after the people who are also going after the people I was going after that makes perfect sense. I hit my friends. That's exactly my point. You know when you when you stop people from taking down statues of confederates while I mean you can see why they would get overzealous and then take down statues of Union generals. This makes perfect sense. You are an idiot. He that's not only what she said she says. There was plenty of time to reckon before this moment. People who are not graded into mean by public art and didn't think it was important, didn't think that important and now people want to control which righteous, and which are not statues torn down can be put back up, but the reckoning is here, and that of course is the point. The reckoning has no limits. The reckoning is here, guys and we can't. We can't condemn people for being overzealous and interfacing facing statues of Ulysses s grant or Tearing Down Statues of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington or talking about Renaming Columbus Ohio Flavor Tin. Which is what is this? A A parody? That's that's literally a thing people. There's a petition of thousands of people that signed the petition to rename Columbus Ohio because named after Columbus. Christopher Columbus the evil evil man who brought Western civilization to the new world. The. There's a petition to rename Columbus Ohio Flavor town after Guy Fieri, which meant because I'm sure guy. Fieri has never sinned. and. Also I think that his contribution to the world is definitely on par I mean I. Don't know much about diarrhea, but I feel like his contribution to Western. Civilization is directly on par with the explorer who found the new world on behalf of Western civilization. Makes, perfect sense makes perfect sense guys by the way Columbia University I look forward to them renaming themselves that be really exciting as well. Okay and then Nicole Hannah Jones continues. Perhaps this gives us the opportunity to stop defying men who like all human beings were terribly flawed, and so instead provide an opportunity for reckoning. That does not obscure the complexities of nation built on ideals of freedom and the practice of slavery. Okay, but can you dealt with statues standing? Because it seems like the purpose of the statues would be to jog conversation about the person. And also that is a case for removing confederate statues. It is not a case for removing union statues, or the statues of the founders see a nuance history would allow the statute to stand as point. Connolly's Rice's made. Now, I will say it is. It is sort of hilarious. She also has suggested by the way that we should not contextualized people. It's very bad contextualized people. She said I'm sick of hearing that ulysses grant was a man of his times. Ulysses grant was a man of his times is phraseology. That's bad. It's bad phraseology. Why is it bad phraseology well, because it justifies people's behavior, and then she goes on, and she says you know it wasn't just hit. It wasn't just. Grant was a man of his time Hitler was a man of his time. Hitler was a man of his time is is something that she actually says this person would appeal to prize. Hitler was a man of his time as a thing, she actually tweeted. She said I'm not advocating against nuance and balance I m saying that particular phrase is just really offensive I mean. Hitler was a man of his time Osama bin. Laden was a man of his time. It's a justification and unnecessary. Okay, first of all. I feel Hitler was a man of his time is not quite. The same George Washington was a man of his time. And Hitler was. If. You're telling me that nine hundred forty one. Nobody knew the genocide. Millions of people was wrong. As opposed to in seventy, slavery was the rule rather than the exception round planet earth. A man of his time suggests that this was a commonly held viewpoints, and that most people sort of were okay with it, even though it was evil time. That's a man of his time. Hitler was very much, not a man of his time when it came to Jena, citing millions of people. Osama bin Laden was not exactly a man of his time. Bin Laden flew planes. The World Trade Centers. It was kind of outrageous. You may remember because we were alive during that one. Does anything oh two thousand and one. Yeah, that was that time when people just flew planes into buildings. It was just the thing it was a man of his time. You know man of his time. This person is. She's a fool a fool. She's a moral. Idiot. And this person was rewarded with with the Pulitzer Prize. Man of time. My favorite is that she says I'm not against nuance and balance, but we can't. We can't say man of his time because it's a bad for as a bad phrase by the way unless you're saying that Fidel Castro is a man of his time just a couple years back. She was defending Fidel Castro. Shoes suggesting. One can look at Castro's treatment of dissent economic woes in a vacuum as if the United States did not play a huge role in both this is November of two thousand sixteen, Defending Fidel Castro man of his time. Just, what you did about is asking for sophisticated nuanced view of Castro period, so she so yes, unsophisticated nuance of Castro, no unsophisticated nuanced view of George. Washington Thomas Jefferson and Ulysses s grant no on that. This person. And this is just Dole tish stuff seriously as adults or stuff well done your times for putting this person on a pedestal making her the arbiter of history. She's one of the only people in human history. It's pretty amazing. She gets to sit there and judge everybody else in human history outside the context of their time, and she can actually determine that Fidel. Castro was not only Fidel Castro. Castro's what we've gotten from her. Is it Fidel Castro was man of his time it in a good way to put him in with contextualized Castro. But we're talking about Thomas Jefferson. George Washington grant stop saying men of their time because Hitler was a man of his time and Bin Laden was a man of his time. What absolute sheer nonsense and this person wanted to Pulitzer Prize by the way. That's the only thing that matters to her obviously. Somebody tweeted out, or you literally had to post a correction for a piece of one appeal it ser, and you're going to preach to others about studying up on history by a mirror sweetheart and she run into back, then won a pulitzer. Yes you did win appeal. Because the Pulitzer prizes have become a demented shadow of themselves. It's pathetic, okay, so what is the end goal here? The end goal as it was in Nineteen eighty-four is the perpetual revolution. There cannot be an end point. There cannot be any sort of actual endpoint, and not only can there not be any sort of endpoint? Quick further note on. Jones this person is so all fired virtuous that she implied last night that fireworks that were being set off starting at eight. PM Ending about two am in Brooklyn. We're actually an attempt. I'm not kidding. You were an attempt to scare black and Brown. People may be promoted by the government. This. Is this zero things? She tweeted out she just asking questions. You guys okay, so here's the thing. Many of us on the right. We think that Alex Jones is ridiculous, person we think is ridiculous person like Alex. Jones should not be up for the Pulitzer, but this lady just won the Pulitzer and she is literally tweeting out that people sitting fireworks until two am is probably white supremacist trying to scare black and Brown people? Can Tell you I live in Los Angeles. been setting off fireworks every single night for weeks every single night four weeks until all hours of the morning. I'm fairly certain it is not. A government sponsored threat to black and Brown people. The most intelligent wisest being out there so okay, so what exactly are people after they're after the perpetual revolution, the perpetual revolution and for white leftist. This feels good because all you have to do is disassociate from key institutions of the United States, and from the key ideologies of the United States, and then you will be good again. Don't you understand you'll be good again this how you end up with Robin to Angelo being trotted out by all of these major. Publications as some sort of experts on white racism and white fragility by the way White Lady, getting rich off of racism is really ironic thing, it's pretty incredible. She's outselling Tallahassee. Coach right now, which is pretty impressive here. She is Robin Dangelo. She's been quoted by unfair with interrupt the systems. We live within okay, I don't even know what the hell that means. What does that mean to interrupt the system? Is that even English how you interrupt the system? The Hillary talking about she's using deliberately vague language, so that the standards are fungible and changeable, because if you say listen, I condemn that that's not interrupting the system. You have to interrupt the system. Okay, well I tore down the statues. Maybe that's enough. Here's Robin. Dangelo author of weight fragility, who is a crazy person and is being trotted out because again. One of the goals here is to be deliberately vague. You have to understand when it comes to talking about racism. One of the goals it used to be the oldest of racism. You can be very very specific about what was racist. You know it was racist Jim Crow Law that was racist, explicitly said Black people are not allowed to do this thing. The white people are allowed to do. US feel say this person is a racist person will not do for a black person what he would do for a white person. Now the standards have changed and the reason the standards of changes because as long as you keep the standards changing. All that exists is the party. All that exists is the new standard. It's not that the goalposts are moving. The goalposts never existed. The goalpost! This is Lucy with the football and the minute you give in to the radical left. That is the minute that they've got you by the nose and they can pull you anywhere. They want by the knows it's incredible. Here's Rob Indiana saying exactly this. When you back one group collective bias with that kind of power, it is transformed into a far reaching system. It becomes the default. It's auto matic. It's not dependent on your you know agreement or belief or approval it circulating, twenty, four, seven, three, sixty, five, so racism is the foundation of the society. We are in into simply carry on with absolutely no active interruption of that system is to be complicit with it, and in that way. We can say that Nice white people are. Racist. Nice way people who oppose racism are actually racist because they're not anti-racism anti-racism, because the definition of racism is chimerical in shifting to be antiracist means do the things Robin? The Angelo says you must do WanNa a Jones says you must do see. There is a Qadri of woke prese, and you must listen to the world price because this is a religion now and. And you have to listen to the woke brace, and if the woke priest tell you to do a thing, and you don't do the thing this makes you not anti-racists, and therefore racist, or you have to be an activist on behalf of the people are constantly changing the standards. They read the chicken on trails, and then they tell you what you have to do. Do Today in order to be considered not racist in order to be considered anti-racist, and it's not enough to say I'm against racism, because you see your only against the old sal racism, but the new definition of racism which shifts and change and his MIA's matic deliberately so deliberately vague the goal. There is to make sure that you're constantly at the Beck and call. Call of your woke peers, and your woke matters. That is the goal here, and by the way you know who this makes feel the best of all. It makes feel the best of all you lead us because those people get set the standard. You want him hard. The priesthood at the priesthood is the place to be because it also gives you the responsibility. Over everyone else for white woke left. This is the best thing right as I mentioned. Last week. Shelby Steele is written about what this means for why quote left woke white. Particularly is that they are better than other white people. Right liberals are bad, but woke. What leftist are good? Because WHOA, quite leftist, get to set the standard for the other white liberals superior to everybody else in the United States Robin Liangelo is superior to you. She's a better person than you because she has the decoder ring that she got in her box of crackerjack. The red. Dakota ring from Christmas story and she's going to tell you exactly what you have to do. She superior to other white people and she's also. This is tacitly said. Shelby Steele puts it. She's superior to black people in her own mind. Why because black people need her guidance? Black people need her help, but people have no agency, but people have no independence or freedom in the United States absence, the white people like Robin to Angelo who can sit there and regional the system and interrupt the systems. They need her help. She's very very important now before she was just some white lady, but now she is super duper important. Can. This is dangerous. It's interests of the country. It's dangerous to black Americans. There's a great column in The Wall Street Journal today about exactly this. My Man Ian ro I'm GonNa read it to talk about it in just one second. I let us talk about the fact that now's not a great time to go overseas to local autozone. In fact, never is a great time to go to the local autozone life. We'll probably you're paying so much money going. 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Of the World Nicole Hannah Jones view of the world that there's this woke priesthood that gets to dictate to the rest of America exactly how to act in how they ought to think and has to tear down all the systems in exactly the way they say it's incredibly demeaning to everyone in the country who is not a member of the priesthood. If you're not a member of the priesthood cased then the preset cast than you are, you are out in the wilderness, and you must bow before them right. That is the real goal here. This is particularly bad for black Americans Ian. Ian Rosa columnist for the Wall Street Journal. Here's a piece called the power of personal agency. Now you'll recall I've talked about this at length at the worst thing that you can say to somebody in the United States is your destiny is not in your own hands. The your destiny is in the hands of Robin to Angelo in Kohana. Johns and all the people going to rewrite the system top to bottom, and we're not talking about systems that are deliberately designed to keep people down much general freedom based equal rights before law systems, the systems themselves have to down and then you. You tell people the way that Michelle Obama. Didn't her graduation speech that? If you're young and black in America and you do all the right things, you're still not gonna get ahead. As the worst thing you can do so in rights herein lies the great danger of this moment, the next generation of Americans black and white micro, believing the entire destiny of one race rests in the hands of another which must I renounce its privilege before any progress can be made the potential damages. The young people are robbed their sense of personal agency, the belief ability they can control their own destiny. For the past decade I have run a network public charter schools in the South Bronx, and lower east side of Manhattan, our mission has been to empower the students. We educate most of whom are black or Hispanic and from low income housing to become whatever they want to be regardless of the actions of any quote, unquote, oppressive majority when helping young people of all races to envision what possible we have to counter. What Tyrone Howard of University of California Los Angeles calls the quote, pathological depiction of and belief in the inferiority of black people, culture and history. Instead we must identify and speak about black excellence especially now. Now when the prevailing notion seems to be that Black People's efforts are futile in the face of white supremacy. We must accentuate the positive stories of millions of black men and women are living. The American. Dream are on their way to do so. Despite structural barriers, census data show the more than three million black students were enrolled in college or Graduate School in two thousand eighteen, according to the Washington Post. twenty-three unarmed black people were killed by police that year. This is twenty three too many yet roughly one hundred and thirty six thousand black students were in higher education for each unarmed black person killed by police. SAYS THERE PATHWAYS TO POWER FOR YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE? That's why our nation's educators must help. Black girls and boys cultivate a sense of personal agency and convince them that their deliverance is determined more by their own actions than by the incantations of a newly enlightened majority, and this is exactly exactly right, but what is this really about for a lot of white people? 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If you haven't checked out our readers pass all ready go to daily wear dot com sign up for just a buck. You're listening to the largest fastest growing conservative podcast and radio show in the nation. In so as I say, this is all about white liberals feeling better about themselves. That's really what so much of this about here is just a pathological case. In point, there's a piece called. I think I've screwed up the way. My kids think about race by women and Michelle Herman over at slate Dot Com. And this is one of their kind of dear. Abby Dear Woke Guidance Person Dear woke guidance counselor zero Karen Feeding. My family is white. We live in a predominantly white neighborhood. However, our kids twin boys went two local public charter, elementary and middle school that was very diverse when it was time for high school. Are Twins were lucky enough to have their closest friends from elementary and middle school attend the same school each of the boys. Boys had a diverse group of friends, and they were taken aback freshmen in highschool by the way other kids, Sam tables and same race clusters, the kids who'd gone to our small middle school where tables were assigned my grade continue to hang out at lunch together as a mixed group. Now my sons graduated and the closest friends are still a mix of black. Hispanic and white I've never been concerned about the kids having any issues. Issues around race, but one of our sons mentioned recently how irritated he is by the form he has to fill out regarding a college roommate. He has to specify his race and all the profiles of potential roommates he views also include race says all he cares about is if they are male or female and what their interests are. He doesn't care about race with everything going on in the US. Right now. I'm doing more reading. Reading on racism, and if I'm understanding correctly, not caring about race is almost as bad as focusing only on race. Should he care what racist friends are or is it okay for him to not even care or notice? Is there something I should be doing talking to our kids about before they go to college, or is it too late? Are they just as racist as someone who has only white friends or my worrying about nothing? Okay the making a mountain out of a molehill making amount of an ant hill. That's let this person calls themselves. Do you're making a mountain out of an ant hill I don't believe second. You think your kids are racist. So this feels like a disingenuous question. One meant to challenge the idea that not carrying about or not noticing racist itself racist so I will say this not caring about or noticing race is privilege reserved? Reserved, for people who are white, black and Brown people in the, US, do not have that luxury, and not just with everything going on right now, but ever, and that's the thing you should be talking to your kids about for starters as the sociologist Megan Underhill, who studies race and family has said white people aren't outside of race there at the top of the racial hierarchy, dismissing or downplaying reality only perpetuates inequity and violence. It's great. Your kids grow up with a diverse group of friends. It ought to be the norm, but non racism is only the first step toward a more justice. Sidey anti-racism requires more of US I. Trust that your sons would embrace the opportunity to learn how to take the next steps. I urge you to take them right along with your kids. You're evil. You're have oh, diverse group of friends, and they don't care what the race of the roommate is because they're racist. They're not anti-racist enough, which means that they are? This is what this is. Feel better about yourself woke. Wait authorities making the world worse making literally making the world worse just tearing down the statues of Great Americans and talking about how all American history is evil, and had nothing unifies us, and if you have a diverse group of friends, and you just tend to think of them as your friends. That's because you're just. You're just a bad white person. You're so bad evil white person. Person because. Black and Brown people we know have to think in terms of race, but if you're a white person and the bunch of black and Brown friends well, you're probably a racist. If you don't see them as black and Brown friends, because you have to see people in terms of race in order to in order to what exactly in order to in order to make rectification for your white guilt. A. How how bad has this become by the way Ucla politics departments condemning white lecture for Reading The N. Word why because he read the mlk letter from Birmingham jail which uses the N. word? So, this is how far we've come. This far, we have come now. This does have some real world consequences you know it sounds as though this doesn't, but it turns out that ideology has consequences when you suggest that the chief obstacle to equality in the United States is the system itself when he suggests that you've threat to black people in the United States is white people, and when you just the only way the black. Black people are going to get ahead in the United States is for white people to accept the responsibility for every wrong in American life and every decision made by somebody else in American Life there is no cure. There is no cure and not only that it leads the promulgation of crappy policy. This is what half of the black lives matter movement has been about. Is this idea? That that the chief problem facing black Americans is police brutality. Okay in reality, police, brutality and police racism Virgil. There's no evidence of systemic police racism in the United States. They did police all over the united. States are stomach racist. The evidence of that is incredibly scanty, incredibly scanty. K. As far as police brutality that'd be theoretically a problem for all Americans and they're planning of tapes of the COPS, treating white people badly, and you can think of that that. Protester got pushed over seventy five year. Old Men cracked his head on the back of crack. Was that right white guy? Police, reality, not restricted to anyone rates, but the one of the black lives matter movement chief. That the entire system is racist, and the tip of the iceberg is policing. The tip of the iceberg is policing the disparate crime statistics between white and black in the United States are not a reflection of underlying individual criminal activity, their reflection of the evils of the system itself, and so the solution is to stop policing. This is what's behind the defend. The police movement is black lives. Matter Equals defunding. The police was painted on the streets of Washington DC. Well, it turns out that actually has some some real consequences. So in the new fans, beautiful pacifistic haven of chas slash chop over in Seattle. The band the cops were not allowed to come in because autonomous it's is the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. They call the now the the occupied protest, but originally it was the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone over the weekend. Somebody got shot and died there. Officers responded around two thirty am local time to report of shots fired at Cal Anderson Park, which is inside chaz according to a police statement officers attempted to locate a shooting victim, but were met by a violent crowd that prevented officers save access to the victims according to a statement from the cops, police said they were later informed that chop. Medics had taken the two victims to a hospital. Officers then went to harborview medical center where they were told. The nineteen year old male had died from his injuries. Police had the other shooting victim of male remains in the hospital with life threatening injuries. Police later released footage of the incident. The video shows the initial moments. The shooting in which the sound of shots was captured on security cameras later body camera video showed protesters confronting police as they arrived at the scene. That video shows at least eight officers entering the area. Some carrying shields as protesters yell at them. An officer can be heard saying. Please move out of the way so we can get to the victim. Oh, we're trying to do is get to the victim. Provide them aid. A bystander can be heard yelling. You don't belong here. They're gone. The victim is gone and other. Put your guns down. So literally two people were shot. I believe that I believe that the guy who died was black is my understanding. But the chief threats of black people is the police for coming in to deal with this problem, according to the protesters over in Chas. A leader clip shows police leaving as members of the public continued. Yell at them. Some can be seen holding back other protesters from the officers as they head toward their patrol cars. As the officer wears wearing. The camera pulls way. He'll move. Move Out of the way as protesters apparently hit the car. And Razz, Simone, who is the alleged warlord of this of this place? He's upset about this. He tweeted out that this is the fault of the cops. Obviously, everything's the fault of the cops who ban the cops is their fault. We let them and it's their fault. No matter what happens, we're I the warlord of Chas and not responsible. He tweeted out. Medics refuse to help even after people in the Chop, beg they let are Bro Bleed out for thirty minutes till he died. F- politics F your corrupt system. See you are Rup. Get. Good good stuff there from Simone. So, the autonomous zone established in defiance of the evil police calls the cops as soon as there's a problem and then bar the cops from actually entering, and it's the fault of the cops. Do you feel like? Maybe this has nothing to do? A lot of these protests have nothing to do with actually achieving good things on behalf of black people in have everything to do with castigating the system. A lot of this has to do with that. There's so many good hearted people who are protesting who believe obviously they're improving the system and their systematic improvements that can be made when it comes to police brutality. But the the out sized insanity that leads to people cheering on. Chas down the tearing. Down the statues. That is not going to improve the lives of black Americans. It is not. I mean here's the proof over over the weekend or over last week there fifty-one shootings in New York fifty one. There at least twenty four victims eighteen incidents on Sunday alone, according to the NYPD. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that the NYPD has been absolutely neutered by Bill de Blasio. made it has something to do with the fact that the that the mayor and the and the media have decided. The cops are the bad guys. There's also by the way a shooting spree in Minneapolis. So remember that time when Minneapolis basically decided to just establish its police department, it turns out that when you get rid of the cops going to want those cops back as I as I said last week. You're gonNA miss those cops when they are gone. Who thinks this is improved? The lives of the people in Minneapolis the police were the actual bad guys. The system is the actual bad system. Also over the weekend there were more gunshots fired at the Atlanta Wendy's, which is exciting stuff. To remember that one where a rich brooks shot because he was sleeping behind the wheel of a car in the rivals were drive through lane the when he's called the cops the way Black Wendy's, they call the cops. The the cops arrived had a conversation with Brooks for like twenty five to forty minutes, and then he wrestled two of them to the ground, stole a Taser, shot one of the cops of the tasers trying to shoot the cop with this as early shot trouble. And, then people tried to burn down the Wendy's. We'll now there's more shooting broke out. A Wendy's over the weekend, so things are going great in Atlanta well-done everybody. Here's what that sounded like. People running away because shooting broke out of the Wendy's again. It's excellent stuff. Yeah it turns out that this new world. It kind of sucks and blows. It turns out this new world that is being created by the left. It's kind of terrible and actually make room for people to act horribly. It makes room for people to act horribly another instance of somebody acting horribly over the weekend. According to the New York Post. There's a Michigan rap shot a viral video of his brother. Slugging White Guy had a macy's department store. And there's this one absolutely viral. And then so here here's here's the video of the guy just welcome to slugging white nude in a in a macy's department store. In Your We. Touch no touch. Could. Hurt. Moving only hurt. In these beating the hell out of the I right well, according to the according to his brother, who posted the video. He said that this guy called them the N. word. Okay F. T. quays had his brother acted on instinct that is violent reaction was spur of the moment essentially want people to know the real story of really what's happened and what's in the description of me and my brother? Just walking into macy's just minding our own business, and yes, we made a petty joke nast. The guy was the shirt too little when he could have asked me he was just being funny, and just the fact that the mark he said that we all heard, and just what else were we supposed to do in this day and age and time he didn't know what else to do. That was just his instinct. The video shows quiz brother who's black punching, white store employees, and knocking him to the ground than hitting him twice more as he tries to crawl a crawl away. Flint police launched an investigation after the videos posted on social media. They said they're looking for quite and his brother. macy's officials identified the white man as employees and called the attack unprovoked. Naturally the get out of jail free card. Unprovoked attack is that you suggest that the person used the N. word, which makes full sense. I'm sure that this happened where Genesee Valley Center. Mall in Flint Township in Flint, Michigan which is a heavily black area. I'm sure that this employee. has never seen a black person before at macy's and just decided to use the randomly out of nowhere or alternatively. macy's all of this on tape. And when macy says, this is an unprovoked attack. That's because it was unprovoked attack. But as long as you invoke the history of racism of the United States, all bad behavior is apparently approved about behavioral people tweeting out with sympathy for the guy who's knocking down the WHO's knocking down the macy's store employees. Not Kidding, that's that's an actual thing. What a wonderful country were creating for ourselves, meanwhile by the way you know how Atlanta is basically burning down Atlanta's a disaster area and police are walking off the job. The good news is the democratic. Party is improving all of this the Atlanta mayor. is now being asked whether she ought to be the vice presidential pick for Joe Biden on Jake Tapper, show on CNN, so things are going beautifully here. Vice President Joe Biden said that his first criteria for picking a running mate. Is that the person be ready on day? One to be president of the United States? You are contender to become Joe Biden's vice presidential nominee. Are you ready on day one to be president of the United States? Yes but I also think that Joe Biden has the right to pick whomever he wants to. Work alongside him and two servants, his vice-president final capper on today's stupid news, everyone will be in the less not escape this left Lamont escape this. There's not a single person on the left. Who's going to escape this? Unless they simply bowed to the whims of the White, the white woke priesthood. And and the and the people like Nicole Hannah Jones over the New York Times Jimmy. Kimmel has to go on vacation now. Jimmy Kimmel going on vacation? Because people are pointing out that back during the man show ninety nine to two, thousand and four, he put on black face and played Carl Malone. And also did a parody of the Oprah Winfrey show called Oprah Winfrey. So. He has cancelled now while everyone gets canceled, everyone gets cancelled because the revolution must be perpetual and the only way America can ever be better is for the revolution to continue Apace, and all the heroes of yesterday will be made into villains today, and all the heroes of today. By the way it should note right now. They'll be made into villains tomorrow. Robes VR is one of the first people to the Guillotine. 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What Do We Have in Common?

Nancy

30:02 min | 1 year ago

What Do We Have in Common?

"Nancy is supported by Carey's, Harry's released a limited edition shave with heights, and thanks to support from people like you, they sold out donated thousands of dollars to the Trevor project. You can still give Harry's a try. Just go to harrys dot com. Flesh Nancy to get a trial set. Listener supported w in Y C studios. What is still more? I've heard of it. But I don't know exactly what it is. I think maybe some kind of Giral the stonewall where people come to cry now. Band history. Only think I don't remember is it a programming gay rights stonewall inn from nineteen sixty nine riots the start of the revolution, people died blood, transgender women or big part of that. What is it? It's a bar here in the village where police raided it and the gays fought back. Fits from WNYC studios. You're listening to Nancy with your hosts token, lo and Kathy too. Okay. Personally in that montage. My favorite person was the one who said she's create. Yeah. I have to say, I feel for the people who got it wrong because if somebody came up to me, and was, like, what is this thing? I be like I dunno. Ulysses grant. To answer. Yes, I love the person who said it was a programming because what even is that's what I'm saying. That's absolutely. What my brain would do. I would misfire sure same. Okay, but all kidding aside calf. It is the fiftieth anniversary of the stonewall, riots, the famous uprising that happened in New York in June of nineteen sixty nine yes. And as our favor montage person said it was the night that the gays fought back when the police raided the stonewall in a gay bar casts as you and I have talked about other than like the very basic fact you know that there was an uprising in core. People fought the police. It's actually kind of hard to give a definitive account of stonewall like who is there? What happened? There's just like a lot of conflicting stories right? Which, you know is kind of to be expected for something that happened fifty years ago, for sure. But also, maybe there's something to be learned from all the different stories. We tell about that night, which is why we've invited historian Mark Stein to the studio. Mark just published a book called the stonewall riots a documentary history where he sifted through a ton of different counts of. What happened at the stonewall inn on the night of the uprising and in the days that followed and he's going to help us unpack some of these stonewall minutes. So let's welcome to the show. Mark. Hello, mark. Hey Mark, thank you, so Mark in the sort of Lor of what happened at stonewall. There's a lot of let's call them facts that have been rip seated again over and over again. So we wanted to run a couple by you just to maybe do a little debunking and the first one, we're going to start with is one that I hear a lot. And in fact, rupaul actually just talked about it on this season of drag race and stated, it as fact fed up with Lisa restaurant the patriots of the stonewall used their grief over judy's Jess to rise up and fight back and the gay liberation movement was born. Wow. Did Judy Garland's funeral actually spark these stonewall riots? Well of the thirty or so media accounts that I've reprinted in my book. There's one that mentions the connection to the Judy Garland funeral. So I wouldn't say that there's no chance but there's very little evidence from the time that, that really played an instigating factor. The theory that I work with is actually one that was invoked at the time by a few gay reporters. But was sort of lost as an explanation for what happened and it drew on actually a very famous sociological theory about what causes revolutions, and it's a theory that says revolutions happened, not when conditions are at their worst, and not when conditions are slowly improving, but when a period of improvement in social conditions is followed by rapid reversal disillusionment and despair, and there had been improvements in social conditions in the second half of the sixties for LGBT people. And then there's the election of Nixon in sixty eight and his inauguration in early, sixty nine and then there's a series of police killings of gay men in New York, and on the west coast in the months leading up to the stole riots. So I'd be more likely to I am more likely to argue that growing sense of disillusionment despair that helped create the mood in the bar and on the streets during the riots. So what you're saying is most likely not Judy Garland's funeral. That's right. You very effectively. Boiled down, my long winded answer. I can give you the five word answers, if you like the other questions, you're gonna ask who exactly started the riot. If there's one person because I feel like I always hear that it was Marsha p Johnson. The chance gender activist were referred. I can't give a fiver dancer, too. So to begin with to the people who are very often credited with starting the riots. Marsha p Johnson and Sylvia Rivera. Very interesting very complicated. And very important figures in the late sixties and early. Seventies in LGBT politics in New York, they themselves offered conflicting accounts about whether they were there when the ride started, and I think we have to begin with their own words, and I think more often than not, they did not indicate that they started the riots. I think there are more reliable accounts that single out stormy delivery often identified as by racial or African American often identified as a Butch, lesbian. But I guess I would also say I don't think there was any one moment, or one thing rights or really complicated phenomena. And it's one moment leading. To another moment, leading to another moment. Why guess in talking about how violent God or how serious, the riots were, you know, I've sometimes heard that, like a molotov cocktail was thrown at the cops to ignite, the riots. I don't even know what a malt of cocktail. It's the cloth doused in gasoline in a bottle that you light on fire and. West. They're even a molotov cocktail involved for I can't or deny. Tell me there were there are certainly reports that when the police got trapped inside the bar that there were all sorts of objects being thrown at the stonewall inn coins were being thrown anything people could find on the street bricks. And then there was apparently an attempt to light the bar on fire the account that I recall is one that says that lighter fluid was scored it on the building, and someone tried to light a match and then the police inside. We're trying to use water hoses to prevent the fire from starting. A lot of people say that stonewall is what kicked off the gay liberation movement. Is this true? Will think many of us who study? Queer history are really working against the popular myth that the LGBT movement began at stonewall. It's pretty well established now that the movement began twenty years earlier and historians have now documented more than thirty LGBT protests demonstrations, sit ins even riots before the stonewall, riots, those activists saw themselves as part of the Revolutionary Movement of movements. They were aligned with the Black Panthers. And with the counterculture the sexual revolution. And women's liberation they participated in anti war activism. So that was all beginning to happen in the months leading up to stonewall stonewall, all the credit events in America's history. Why is that the most pivotal, I think it would partly was the level of violence on the street. The. Length of the riots, the fact that it played out over several days, the number of people involved. But ultimately, I think, really what made stonewall so central in the way we imagined queer and trans history is what happened afterwards, the fact that it led to mass mobilization social diversification political radicalization, and then the decision to start commemorating the riots one year later that really built into the pride parades and marches and protests that now have been going on for five decades. Mark. Thank you so much for talking to us to be here. As Mark said, the stonewall riots fifty years ago, led to a pride parade the following year that laid the groundwork for even more marches, and activism, and protests, one of the groups leading the charge was called the gay Liberation Front Karla Jay was a leader in that group and the first woman to be chair, but before the uprising, she was just a twenty two year old living in New York, who wanted a safe place to hang out with their friends and be herself. The boars were oppressive, and we went there, because we're grateful to be there to have a place to go, and there was no place, except the board to go other lesbians in bars they train, you, you know, when I was a baby dyke, and I went to a bar I was told look you see over there with the police come in their lights are going to go on their rather, the white, they're gonna flash if those lights flash and your dancing. With somebody stop dancing. It was a legal to dance with someone of the same sex. If you're wearing, you know, a tie pull it off. Get rid of that thing. So they taught me to count before I went to the bar because you had to wear three pieces of women's clothing, but nineteen sixty nine if you were wearing a pair of jeans and zipped up the front, those were men's pants. So if the police came in and they saw a fly in the front, the police would then pull you into the bathroom and strip you to see whether or not you had three pieces somewhere. Wow. Do you remember where you are, when you first heard that the stonewall riots were happening? Yes, I think I'm the only lesbian in New York, who was not in the stonewall or game. I was not there. I usually on the Saturday night. I went to the movies, and it was much cheaper than going to the bars. On Saturday night. So my choice was the double feature, and the next morning, I heard about the stone will uprising on the radio and I was amazed that people had resisted, but I didn't know where would go. I mean I didn't have a crystal ball. I thought, well, the fourth of July is coming all the gay men. I know the go off to fire island and that will be that won't it but it didn't you wench the second night. Check it out and see what was happening. What was the scene, Mike? When you got there, I, I went down to the stonewall to see what was happening like everybody else I got off in. There were police barricades on the streets around the stonewall and mostly. The people were on the side streets over Bhai Waverly, and Perry of the square and people were yelling and shouting, and you couldn't get in front of the stonewall, but it was the gay Liberation Front that changed everything the. Fact that we organized that we commemorated the stonewall uprising with a March that we decided we weren't going to take this garbage any more from the police that we weren't going to be treated in this fashion again. Yeah. We didn't always get along. But we decided that we could share a goal. Yeah. We could share this goal of changing the world that the world had to change that we couldn't go on being in bars where any minute the police were gonna come in and ruin our lives, can you describe what the scene was like, in those early meetings, and what were those conversations like about trying to get organized someone chaired each meeting? But we sat there mostly we screamed at each other. And so we had equal opportunity screaming in there. And we very quickly divided into what we called cells, and the cells then got the work done. So in the dish. Into the query and sell which organized social activities. We had some political cells, which organized demonstrations. You reference that there was in those early meetings. A lot of screaming what why screaming and what was it about, you know, when you look at our community. I mean, this is really our issue now. And we still have the same issues today. If you look at the LGBTQ A plus plus plus community, what do we really have in common? We haven't common that those big it's out there. Hate us all the same way they don't see us as different people. They think we're all these reprehensible queers that they hate. And when you get down to the root of that, that held us together, but it also made people angry, you know, the trans people the people of color, the women, the bisexual 's these people, all felt that their voices were not being heard in the Galeb ration- front, and the more their voices could not be heard the louder the show. Oh, that amid sort of disagreements, and trying to get organized in that sort of thing, what do you think the group did well or right? I think that our idea that we had to change society. Whereas the previous organizations which deserve tremendous credit. They felt that they had to present themselves, as looking like an acting like straight people, and the venture -ly mainstream society would realize that we weren't a threat, and they would accept us. We felt that straight society had to change and be more like us that we had a lot to offer them fashion. Tips, just for starters, you know, and new ways of interacting. We're not going to be the carbon. We were going to be the original, we were going to go forward. We're going to have different ways of relating we were going to develop our own culture. We're going to develop her own ideas, and in LA. Let them follow us. This was a very novel and revolutionary idea. And I'm really sorry, that we've lost this society needs to be more like us, they still was there a moment or a change that happened because they Galeb ration- front, where you were able to look at it and say we did that, like we accomplish that I think the most amazing thing that we accomplished was working on the first March. We were part of the organizers of what was called Christopher street liberation day committee, that formed the first pride March. There was actually a March one month after the stone will uprising where a small group of fifty people met in Washington square park at six PM and walked very quickly back to the stone will because they're never been an BT March. And we did. Did not know if people would cheer us or throw bottles at us in the village, we said off the sidewalks into the street and people were so afraid people were frayed to go up the street. The what would happen if someone saw them, they could lose their jobs. If they were married they lose their children. The laws were so repressive in nineteen seventy. So when we did that and then fifty years later, the people of the world have joined us. Carlo. Thank you so much for coming in. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast. So we've been talking a lot about stonewall and the activism that grew out of it, and it got us thinking about where we are right now as a clear community. How do we continue the work of the folks who started this movement? Coming up. We talked to activists Raquel Willis about where we go from here. Nancy is supported by tomboy X makers of thoughtfully crafted gender-neutral underwear for all the ways you see yourself, don't let them suits that don't fit. Don't flatter. And don't stay put when you move ruin your summer checkout tomboy swimwear comeback somewhere is comfortable flattering stays in place, whether you're swimming volleyball, or out on the town, choose from some shorts boy, shorts razorback tops and much more. Tomboy x dot com slash Nancy and check out their awesome swimmer collection in Nancy listeners, get an extra fifteen percent off with code Nancy. Hey, this is Kathy toban hosts of the WNYC studios podcast, Nancy this month marks fifty years since the uprising at the stonewall inn here in New York's Greenwich Village an event that some consider to be one of the catalysts for the LGBTQ civil rights movement. And to commemorate, this moment, we've curated some of the best episodes from the great podcast at WNYC, the celebrate queer stories invoices. It's called. The sound of pride stonewall fifty subscribe to the sound of pride stonewall at fifty for free wherever you get your podcasts. So cast, we're at this fiftieth anniversary moment of stonewall for celebrating pied months and thing you and I have talked a lot about is this feeling of like conflict, because, you know, pride grew out of a riot and activism, and this feeling over ballion and so to see pride now with all the parties and parades. And like glitter. Yes. Why must there be so much glitter? Yeah, there's a lot of glitter. I feel very complicated about it because I want to be able to celebrate. But how do I square that with, also really feeling like a lot of stuff right now? Just not great for queer people totally. And this came up in a recent op at that recall, Willis wrote for out magazine. You mean the one called pride month this disgrace? Yes. Yes. Well, the official title is fifty years, later pride month is a disgrace to our ancestors. And in it, she writes with the power and resources that have been crude in the last. Fifty years, none of us should be suffering, especially not the Sylvia's and marshes of today. The rights never actually ended. Let's ensure that one day, they actually do recall is the executive editor at out, but she's also been a major leader for queer and trans rights. She spoke at the women's March in DC back in twenty seventeen. She's also started a project for the transgender Law Center, called black transferable if oh, Casses on providing resources for black trans women. So like she's been out there really doing the work we wanted to talk to her about where pride has. Maybe you lost its way, and how to fix it. So she came into the studio, and we started by asking, if she's always been so willing to call things out when I was growing up. I mean, my dad was very traditional, you know, masculine southern man, and so a lot of times if he said something, and you just wouldn't challenge him on an even though you knew it was like it, correct. Or wrong. I was like probably like five, and I told my mom was like, you know, you don't have to do this, this way, because he says that, you know, my mom was just like you just have to pick your battles. And, and I didn't get it at the time, right? 'cause I was like, well, we have to fight every battle, I think I still try to fight every battle exhausted. Same. So, yeah, recap has never been afraid to stand up and speak her mind. She told us, she's inspired by the stonewall veterans. She's had a chance to interview over the years, like miss major a black chance activists who was on the front lines of the stonewall uprising and helped to usher in the modern day trans movement her talking about how the police were out there. You know, like a line of like storm troopers and how every time they would try to get up if they were not down. It was like a tidal wave crashing into a city that image is so different from this kind of rainbow glitter filled image that we have of pride from all your home stations. Is there like a certain type of activism that you think is more effective than others? I think that there is such an devaluing and a racing of the power of actual grassroots organizing, I think about even, you know, the people who do the HIV advocacy at the club on, you know, Thursday night and, you know, they're trying to get their friends to like be a part of their survey, or, or do their testing and all of that stuff. And then their, their friends are like Nogal and trying to dance that is organizing is to me. It's those elements that get so glossed over and this larger conversation around activism solely being about visibility. I mean hearing Raquel talk about visibility versus activism. It makes me think a lot, especially during this month of pride, you know, like it is amazing that you can see where people be the faces of major campaigns and like that is affirming for people to see themselves reflected in media, and whatever. But that inherently is not the same thing as activism, because like activism is defined by verb, like active doing things. And so what recalls talking about him what you really makes me think about is how like it is about going out, and making change, and actively doing that. It's not just about like do we see ourselves reflected, which is amazing. It's about. Are we doing the things that we need to do to make change happen in one of the big things recounted issue with in how we celebrate pride today? Is that it feels like our history gets forgotten? So when I talk about. How we need to dig deeper with pride month. I'm not critiquing. The fact that we should be able to celebrate who we are and have a party. I mean queer folks can party, you know, that's one of our superpowers, but that also means that we can have a real conversation about s-. What that celebration looks like and how that celebration isn't the same as acknowledging an honoring what happened at stonewall inn in nineteen sixty nine because we know that the mood of that night, it was fury. It was Farber it was anguish it was fresh stray Shen, you know, it was a riot a rebellion. So in critiquing pride. I hope in the fiftieth celebration. We will have a real conversation about the ways that all of these forces are still plaguing our community. So Tobin like you read the piece recall writes about a bunch of things, she thinks we can fight for to carry the torch of the older generation, and I feel like things that she wrote about that really resonated, with me are ending the murders of black trans women legalizing sex work, making sure that Healthcare's available to everyone. And right now, the mainstream way of celebrating pride sometimes overlooks the problems that we should be fighting against even within our own community like racism and transphobia in misogyny, right? There's still a lot of stuff that needs fixing. So we ask how what she thinks this movement should look like in fifty years, like, what is the goal? I hope I'm obsolete in the future. But you mean by obsolete. I'm not fighting for future generations to experience the world, the way I am with, you know, my baggage, my insecurities miam- filling being silence raised, and my trauma, and I think that necessitates thinking about the ways in which we define ourselves, maybe by trauma or define ourselves by our struggle, and not by what we hope to see not by what actually brings us power. And I hope that when we come to some conclusions around how we can define ourselves beyond what harm has happened to us, or what trauma has happened to us, then maybe we'll have more of a liberty for future. So we started this episode with this question of what should pride be? You know, is it a protest isn't a party, because those two things feel like they're in opposition of each other? And, you know, RIC hell also talks about how we really need to do more to remember our history. But also, she doesn't want the struggle to be what defines Queen us. So that's also kind of contradictory, which she totally recognizes. Yeah, but if anyone can make all these contradictions work, it's queer people, right? Like this is something we've talked about before, where people are not just our trauma were not just fabulous where both we contain all of those things totally and I actually think pride should be both a celebration and a protest. And they shouldn't exist without each other, like we have to acknowledge how far we've come and take joy in that. But also keep in mind, how much they're still is to fight for. All right. That's the show and Tobin. You know what else it is? It's the end of Nancy season four. That's right. It's a wrap people we put on a story every week since September. And now it is time to take a break. Can we just pause for a second and talk about how many amazing stories we've done, we've done many himmy with some of your favorites? I got to talk to my very favorite singer. 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76: Reconstruction Part 4: The Battle of Liberty Place and the Mississippi Plan

History That Doesn't Suck

1:06:11 hr | 6 months ago

76: Reconstruction Part 4: The Battle of Liberty Place and the Mississippi Plan

"This episode contains stories of racial violence that some listeners may find disturbing listener discretion is advised. History that doesn't suck is a biweekly podcast delivery knowledge it seriously researched hard-hitting survey of American History through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support hdds or enjoy some perks like ad-free early religious or Patron exclusive many episodes. Please consider giving at patreon.com history. That doesn't suck to keep up with https news follow us on Facebook Twitter or Instagram page. 2:00 in the afternoon Monday September 14th, 1874 black men are working as fast as they can to build barricades in New Orleans downtown and French Quarter to grab anything. They can get their hands on barrels filled with iron Lumber Afraid from the Mississippi front there even commandeering and toppling horse-drawn streetcars. And in some cases pulling up the pavement before them to create a trench any opposing force would have to descend into before attacking Iraq along Poydras Street. These barricades are quickly coming to occupy nearly every intersection between the riverfront and st. Charles Street near Lafayette Square 6 or so blocks to the West Palm on just a couple of blocks to the north dotting the wide west east running thoroughfare. That is Canal Street and has the barricades take shape thousands of armed men intent upon over Thursday. State government stand behind them. This is the white League. Okay time for a bit of brief background two years ago. The results of Louisiana's gubernatorial election were muddied by voter fraud and intimidation. Both candidates claimed victory in the aftermath President Ulysses S Grant in the federal government sought to settle the issue by recognizing Republican William Pitt Kellogg as the winner, but now in 1874 Democrat John McCain is still yet to accept this many of his fellow Democrats feel the same way and collectively these Dems responded by immediately setting up their own alternative state government. And as of this year by organizing this paramilitary group The White League Things came to a boiling point in the past few weeks though. The white league is particularly upset that the racially integrated Metropolitan Police recently seized a large secret shipment of guns missions intended for them. That's the immediate cause that has these militarized Democrats in the streets demanding control of the Pelican States government this September afternoon. It's now nearly 4 p.m. Republican Governor has taken Refuge just a few blocks away from the white leagues barricades at the impressive Force story Granite built custom house on Canal Street. Any hope he has a painting his governorship rests in the hands of the faithful Republican Commander at the head of both the Louisiana state militia and the Metropolitan Police Force. This is also the same man Robert E Lee choice to call his old warhorse. Yeah. You heard that right? If you went through the civil war with me, you know him. Well I'm talking about the ex confederate general turned radical republican wage. General James old Pete Longstreet now in his fifties with a receding hairline little extra weight in a salt-and-pepper beard bulky rides likely down chartres street off toward the custom house in which the governor is hunkering down as he does. So old key Longstreet leads a force of black and white police officers equipped with some light artillery and newer weapon capable of a rapid fire called the Gatling gun or Pete's man take positions just in front of the custom house on Canal Street. He's still hoping to diffuse this thing. No blood has been shed yet and the old warhorse is no need for that to change. Rides along the street calling to the barricaded white Lakers disperse and go home. They don't budge. The only answer he gets from the dead spectating citizens are gears. Meanwhile police Sergeant Taylor takes eight to ten in his men farther up the street delivering the same message to the active participants and co-workers. They make it one block to the barricade at the intersection of canal and Camp streets before they get their answer. The warning shot rings out over the sound of the booing crowd sergeant and his men fall back. But as this is playing out companies of white leaders are advancing from Poydras toward Canal Street along the cross streets closer to the Waterfront seen this old piece forces shift their position to reach see the advancing rioters. Insurrectionists Army. What exactly are they dealing with how organized is This Is War really about to break out in New Orleans Public sources conflict on whether the advancing white leaders are old Pete's men fire first, but once it starts, it doesn't stop I have heard me that y'all get for General Longstreet mother's Oh indeed. Oh Pete has it's the same blood-curdling spine-tingling scream at his Confederate soldiers once used to instill sheer Terror in the hearts of blue clad Union Soldiers during the Civil War and now nearly a decade since Robert E Lee surrender at Appomattox and with black Black men under his command the old warhorse finds himself on the other side of that horrific Battle Cry. It's the famous Rebel Yell. Welcome to history. That doesn't suck. I'm your professor Greg Jackson, and I'd like to tell you a story but it would be difficult to grasp how the Battle of Liberty Place came to be without understanding the tension building during Reconstruction to be frank reconstruction is coming apart at the seams today. I'll show you that by focusing on two states, Louisiana and Mississippi, they'll keep in mind the disputed elections and racial violence. You'll hear about our common place in most southern states after giving you a background of reconstruction in Louisiana. I'll tell you about the deadliest event. It's in this era the Colfax Massacre. They'll find out how the Battle of Liberty Place ends from there. I'll take you to Mississippi where white Democrats have a plan to keep any Republican casting a ballot and when State officials ask for federal help keeping the elections fair and safe. They won't get it all of this violence and voter fraud carries over into the election of 1876 that disputed election was signal the end of reconstruction. You won't find any Happy Endings here and telling you straight up. This is a heavy episode but these are stories that need to be told so with that let's head back a few years and examine the Reconstruction Era and Louisiana rewind So reconstruction, Louisiana to say the power dynamics in the bayous stay experienced massive violent fluctuations during these years is a gross understatement and thanks to a number of Civil War episodes as well as the past three episodes. You're probably already nodding connecting a lot of those dots. Let's make this Crystal Clear. Here's a quick recap in a few more details on Louisiana's path to its turbulent 1872 election starting in 1862 Admiral David Farragut more or less puts an end to Louisiana's Confederate Ambitions by capturing New Orleans off the next year on December 8th, eighteen sixty three, the first experiments Tab and reconstruction begins as President Lincoln's proclamation of amnesty and reconstruction gives secessionist a way back to the union which is to have 10% of a given travel States 21 years and older white male population take a loyalty of The next year 1864 reconstructing Louisiana crafts and new constitution. It banned slavery. It doesn't give black men the vote. It also permits state laws that will only apply to Black citizens known as Black Codes VP turned President Andrew Johnson doesn't push back on these efforts to relegate blacks to a form of second-class citizenship this in turn off Ian's Bolens those ex-confederates seeking to restore in all but name the old society and slaved economy. They knew before the war thus when some black Americans living in The Big Easy push for civil rights law or answered with violence as you undoubtedly recall from the deadly 1866 New Orleans Massacre that opened episode 73. All right now thanks Deb said 75. We know how US Congress response to the violence in Black code laws trying to cement this two-tier citizenship system across the South. It's steps in with the Reconstruction Act of 1867 along with Texas, Louisiana becomes prob. Newly-formed V military District if the Bayou State wants back into the Union. It'll have to hit restart on its reconstruction process by ratifying the citizenship protecting Fourteenth Amendment off and holding a new Constitutional Convention with delegates elected by the state's white and black men. It does so in early eighteen sixty-eight ninety-eight delegates 48 in white and 49 black report to this convention their work produces a Louisiana state constitution with the Bill of Rights ensuring that black men have the vote. It also takes the vote from unrepentant Confederate leaders those who held a military or political office in the CSA for a year or more produced Confederate newspapers. Basically anyone who played a significant leadership role shown not quote Vote or hold office until he shall have relieved himself by voluntarily writing and signing a certificate setting for that. He acknowledges the late Rebellion to have been morally wrong. Politically wrong and that he regrets any Aid and comfort he may have given it and he shall file the certificate in the office of the Secretary of State and it shall be published in the official Journal closed took those. Okay. So the 1868 Constitution has significantly changed the states eligible electorate. I mean sure someone could take the oath without meaning it but making a Confederate leaders publicly renounce the session and their role in it. In order to vote or run for office is a hard pill to swallow the most adamant former rabb's won't be willing to do so mean with all black men now have the right to vote that combo makes the state a full-on republic for all adult males black and white - only those few who will not acknowledge the Civil War as an act of treason. Suddenly. The Republican party is viable in Louisiana and the States government see significant changes racially segregated services and stores don't end overnight, but they're getting challenged. Meanwhile, Louisiana and black men are only voting. They're getting elected to office take for instance Pinckney Benton Stewart pinchback or PBS or pinch as he's generally known he's one of reconstruction Louisiana's three black lieutenant Governors and we'll even serve as acting Governor between December 1872 and January 1873 name is precious few weeks will make him the first and only black American serve as any State's executive until the late Twentieth Century, Virginia elects Douglas Wilder in nineteen eighty nine months. But the rise of men like pinch is such a radical change for former slave state Louisiana that some ex-confederates refused to accept it in their minds the Republican Grant Administration Congress gave us military Northern Carpetbaggers and Southern quote unquote turncoat scalawags like James Volpe Longstreet and black Republicans are oppressing white Southerners, seeing that they no longer get their way through the vote these ex-rebels turn to extralegal violence and voter intimidation to quote the eminent Civil War and reconstruction historian Eric foner in reconstruction, Louisiana, every election between 1868 and 1876 was marked by rampant violence and pervasive fraud close quote. You got to look into this already in the last episode with the Ku Klux Klan. Yes, they spread to Louisiana but a similar paramilitary slash terrorist group called The Knights of the white Camellia rid of it in the state during the late 1860's Congress is 1870 enforcement acts counter the knights just as they do the clan but the results aren't perfect Louisiana's 1872 electrician will be Rife with voter fraud and intimidation. It will serve as a catalyst for some of the worst violence of the Reconstruction Era as another group called The White League take shape. If anything the terms were events. I just flew through felt unfamiliar or less familiar than you like. Feel free to revisit a few older episodes specifically 50 and 72 through 76,000 hoping you were more like the Karate Kid post Mr. Miagi is wax on wax off exercise pleasantly surprised to realize just how much you've learned and with that set up our background on Louisiana is 18/7 jul. Election is set. It's time to see the violence and murder this political contest on leashes. It's 1872 and Republicans are split citing the corruption currently playing out and Ulysses S Grant's Administration the famous New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley is challenging you list for the US Presidency Ulysses going to eat horses lunch, but the race nonetheless highlights a serious split in the Republican party on the one hand. We have the newspaper editors Liberal Republicans who say they want to fight corruption and that reconstruction is done or at least it's time to stop enforcing it in the south on the other. We have those Republicans loyalty lists and the idea of like in Ewing to push reconstruction. This intra-party conflict over reconstruction is making odd bedfellows in Louisiana gubernatorial conflict. The Republican candidate is William Pitt Kellogg the Dark Yet thin heavy and thick beard in Northern transplant or carpetbagger as Democrats call him wants to keep enforcing reconstruction. He has the support of other Louisiana Republicans standing with the former Union general now serving as president like the scalawag former confederate general turned radical republican James old Pete Longstreet as well as most black voters. His opponent is Democrat John mcenery be thick brown bearded born and bred Southerner John has a support of his party and the local Liberal Republicans who are also sick of reconstruction. This includes the outgoing Republican Governor Henry warmuth dead. In other words staunch Republicans versus Democrats and Allied Republicans on a fusion ticket. I told you this is an odd election. The outcome is completely muddled thanks to voter fraud. It's difficult to say who the genuine winner is Republican William Kellogg or democrat John mcenery. Okay, fine wage deal with this. The question goes to the elections returning board problem here though. The returning board is appointed by the governor. And again the outgoing Governor. The Republican is a vocal supporter of the fusion ticket nominee. This casts doubt on the returning board's conclusion that Democrat John mcenery is the winner and leads the legislature to impeach the governor opening the way for his black lieutenant governor PBS pinchback to serve in his stead while those on the board supporting Republican William Kellogg defect formed their own board and declare him the winner. Wow state looks like it's headed for Civil War. This is where the federal court judge Edward Durell comes in under his injunction federal troops enforce the pro reconstruction Republican William Kellogg's claim as Governor President Ulysses Grant notes that this election is less than certain but he will stand by the judge and recognizes the Kellogg Administration as Louisiana's de facto government, but John mcenery and his followers reject this after all they argue. It's no wonder the Republican president supports his own further. Who is this federal judge to reject the ruling of the first returning board and John John sets up a second competing government of Louisiana. On the same day in mid January 1873 both men take the oath of office as Louisiana's governor federally-supported Republican William Kellogg does so at the bank Institute Democrat. John mcenery takes his oath before a large crowd at Lafayette Square. Now competing state governments would be a problem under any circumstances wage understatement of the year right there or at least it would be an in a year other than 20/20 but the issue is compounded by an 1871 state law that gives the governor the job of appointing offices at the county level or Parish level to use the Louisiana term. This means hundreds of office Seekers from around the states flood into New Orleans seeking a blessing of both Governors. The idea of Democrats filling. These offices is simply unacceptable to Grant Parish has black State militia Captain William Ward, and he's read off. fight back modern presidential elections follow a predictable path primaries in which members of each party vote for a candidate candidates accepting their party's nomination and choosing a running mate that a national election held on the same day in every state but these Trail markers that we almost take for granted haven't always existed. In fact, they aren't even mentioned in the Constitution. So how do they come about what precedent had been established by early US presidential elections? Which still play out in the twenty-first century join me Greg Jackson from the podcast history. That doesn't suck and my co-host CL Salazar as we explore 5G elections from early American history 1818 2428 1860 and 1876 in each episode. You'll hear a story from the life of one of the candidates or key players in the election. Listen to the experiences of young Andrew Jackson and the Revolutionary War or find out how Abraham Lincoln's views on slavery were shaped by his observations of that institution antebellum America how After that c l and I will guide you through the key takeaways repeat selection in an engaging informative discussion. Once you've listened to this course, you'll have a better understanding of several of the election presidents that we still rely on today. The game changers precedent-setting presidential elections is out now only on Himalaya learning Himalaya learning is an audio learning platform that provides hundreds of bite-sized courses from world-class fingers and Indian experts like Elon Musk Malcolm Gladwell Tim Ferriss and more to listen to this course and others like it go to Himalaya historical in case your promotion code historical at checkout to get your first 14 days free. William Ward's a fighter born a slave in Virginia. He escaped at the age of twenty-three in the midst of the Civil War and joined the US Army. He became a sergeant and continued in the Army after the war until tuberculosis forced him from the service in 1870 wage. Then moved to the newly organized Central Louisiana Parish named after the President Grant Parish, the civil war vet quickly made a name for himself here that same year Radical Republicans met William Ward captain of the Louisiana state militia and Grant Parish Captain Ward, and I'm going to stick with that title just to keep us from confusing him with the Republican Governor drills and trains is entirely black unit. He doesn't hesitate to enforce the law either. Following the September 1871 murder of the radical republican candidate for Parish recorder delos white Captain ward has no problem putting a federal warrant to used by arresting eight of his connected murders. When a local state judge tried to prevent a federal Marshal from taking them in Captain Ward and his men marched into the court with bayonets fixed to a squirt the prisoners to Federal captive or the judge began to push back damn the court Captain Ward hollered at the judge the militia then sought to it that the Marshal got all of his prisoners on the New Orleans Bounce steamer off and soon Captain Ward also gets elected to the state legislature. The Virginia Vectren is doing all right for himself in the Pelican State. But words also making plenty of enemies frankly Democrats find this black military man who arrests white men and speaks back to judges stretching their Authority terrifying they begin to speak wage boards quote unquote reign of terror and with nearly equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats in the parish that makes the prospect of two Governors Each of which might appoint a sheriff and a local officials favorable to one party or the other especially dangerous Captain slash state representative Ward believe nothing chance One Night in March 1873. Two months after both Governors separately took the oath of office Warden his militia quietly move on Grant Parish courthouse in a small town named for the president's first VP Colfax the break into the unoccupied courthouse and lay claim to it on behalf of Judge RC register and Sheriff Daniel shop off. Okay, so the Democrats candidates for the same positions have been intermittently asserting their power over the courthouse and sure the Republicans who recognize the same Governor as the federal government have a stronger claim to these offices but this rash and characteristically Captain Ward move has unquestionably upped the anti In This Very politically split perish under the leadership of a planter and alleged Ku Klux Klan leader. James had not Democrats start talking about how to take back the courthouse things only escalate from here. The two parties political-military take your pick try to hold a peace conference on April 5th. It's off to a good start then a black messenger arrives with word that four days earlier off a mob of white men killed local black farmer Jesse McKinney. Jesse was a man utterly removed from politics. He wanted nothing more than to avoid trouble. But report messenger a gang of white men rode up to Jesse as he was working on his fence and in the presence of his wife and six children shot him in the head, they then mocked as his family desperately attempted to help their mortally wounded husband and father before feeding their horses with their murdered victims supplies. Amazingly the peace conference doesn't end in Bloodshed. It does end though immediately meanwhile terrified blacks in the area flocked to the Colfax Courthouse swelling the camp number to around four hundred as they drill and prepare for a potential battle white residents in the town increasingly become fearful. They'll get caught in a race war and flee claims that the black man at the courthouse off and to kill all the white men and children and keep only the white women for breeding fly through the parish, but I'll remind you that as I mentioned in the last episode the KKK deeply fears race magazine and often uses this idea to stir up support these claims certainly have that sort of ring to it. The parish is black residents gathered at Colfax try to appeal to the state for help with a prominent white friend of Captain towards the wealthy planter turned radical republican happily living in a bi-racial family Willie Calhoun tries to get a letter to Republican Governor William Kellogg dead. He's caught in route and held prisoner needing medical attention for his worsening tuberculosis. Anyway, Captain Ward takes a steamer to New Orleans a few days later and plans to petition the federally recognized Governor himself. It's a good effort, but he's too late. It's late morning on Easter Sunday, April 13th, 1873 former Confederate officer and Democratic pick for Sheriff Christopher Columbus Nash drives with a white flag for a full facts Courthouse. He's here for a parley Benjamin J. Allen for Lev as most know him rides out to me and him old man. Go away and Jack itself. If you can let hollers Lev, what do you need grows want there and Colfax? What do you depend on doing in there? The self-proclaimed Sheriff asks, we're doing nothing more than we were before. We want that Courthouse. We sent an answer to mister had not I missed her Calhoun LED answers referring to the note captured Willie Calhoun carried. Then she receive it Mr. Had not doesn't command this company Chris replies. They're at an impasse. This will be a fight the Democratic claimant to sheriff tells left. He'll give the women and children 30 minutes to clear out then he and his posse of some 300,000 attack, you know the fusion ticket Slash playing army begins. It seems by firing iron slots with the key and one of these sliced cheese and Kimball stomach right open his intestines fall out on the court house floor as rifles crack at the courthouse. Interest black militia returned fire briefly then fall back some run to the River or the road while others try to take cover in the courthouse the fusion Clan Army makes short work of rounding up the black Thunder's then at gunpoint a Force 1 black man, just set the roof of the court house on fire as the last remaining black Defenders take refuge in it unwilling to shoot one of their own. The court house is occupied arsene forced to flee the burning building. Roughly. Fifty black men are dead. The white paramilitary has suffered three deaths the fusion Clan Army now has a large number of prisoner. They aren't sure what to do with them. As a sunsets in the rain begins to fall the would be Sheriff Chris Nash considers his options. He wants to set them free now boys if I take you all and send you home Dior cotton, well you go to work. By God Nash interrupts one of his followers. You send these goddamn Negroes home. You won't live to see two weeks. Another is even more direct with Chris off unless these issues are killed. We will kill you first. They shoot the wounded. They tell the other prisoners. They are only killing those with severe wounds to keep suspicion down. Then the paramilitary men individually choose the black man against whom They hold personal grudges so they can personally shoot them dead black men run Pavel Bure, otherwise Scramble for their lives screaming wives watch from the woods as their husbands are shot. Like it's a sport. They can hear the fusion klansmen militants laughing and joking while off-duty they're mad. I can't tell you how many black men have killed. No one really can but between the battle and these cold-blooded executions. Well over a hundred is a very fair except estimate. The highest I've seen is 280 the Colfax Massacre is the single deadliest moment in reconstruction history, and it's a Breaking Point black Americans wage Republicans now fully grasped the lengths to which X Rebel para-military white terrorist groups are willing to go Hard as it is to move from that scene of violence. We aren't done with the Bloodshed tied to the body States contested 1872 election. It's time to find out what's happening with James bulb Longstreet. So jump in a steamer with me. We're heading back down to New Orleans. It's now 1874 nearly a full two years have passed since the gubernatorial election and Democrat John mcenery still maintains that he is the rightful Governor. His supporters. Haven't let up either dead. They to assert that Republican William Kellogg is a usurper Miss managing the state's funds as well as holding and exercising power correctly and they formed a new group to help right? They're perceived wrong the white League growing out of Grant Parish where the Colfax Massacre happened last year. The white league is like the Knights of the white Camellia or the KKK another paramilitary white supremacist outfit. Now, this is not how the white League represents itself the Crescent City white League, which formerly takes shape on July 1st 1874 proclaims in its Constitution that quote the object of this club is to assist in restoring an honest and intelligent government to the state of Louisiana. To drive incompetent and corrupt men from office close quote that's hard to square with the white League being suspected of carrying out a massacre on August 30th 1874 in the Northern Louisiana Town of Coushatta that results in half a dozen Republican office holders and somewhere between 5 and 20 black citizens dead. Meanwhile, the Crescent City's white league is bringing arms and bulk. Well the Republican Governor isn't Dom. He looks at these two things side-by-side and with the support of federal troops from President Ulysses S Grant's off Claire's martial law, you know, because he isn't interested in an armed Insurrection and on September 8th. So only a week after that last Massacre New Orleans police find a Furniture Wagon at the corner of camp and Canal streets transporting 72 guns in all the ammo needed to keep those firing. The Munitions are all taken as evidence against their white League Affiliated owners off. Of planning an attack on the government, but that's nothing compared to what the racially integrated Metropolitan Police find a few days later when the city of Dallas steamer makes birth in New Orleans sources conflict on the word but it has six cases labeled with either Hardware or Machinery. They aren't listed on the ship's manifest inside of them more arms intended for the white League the embattled Republican Governor William Kellogg has them seized the white League calls this an unfair attack on their constitutional right to bear arms The Bulletin newspaper writes on September 13th quote. It is evident superintendent. Algeron Badger of the Metropolitan Police intends to seize every white man's gun and Pistol while the Negroes openly parade. There's close quote. The paper is referring to Black officers with guns. Feeling hemmed in the white League wants to act the same day as this article Democratic claimant the lieutenant governorship and acting Governor according to the white League game in pain and other white League leaders publish a call to all new orleanians angered by the Republican governor who has quote dared even to deny you the right so solemnly guaranteed by the very Constitution of the United States to keep and bear arms close quote to meet tomorrow at 12 noon by the large Henry Clay statue located at this point in time where Ross turns into Charles Street as it intersects with Canal Street, if the meeting gets a crowd then and only then Davidson figures they'll attempt to move against the Republican Administration. It's Monday morning, September 14th thousands have gathered well in advance of the announced time at the Henry Clay statue by 11:30. There are 5000 men Mr. RH Mar reads to the tightly packed the wrong. Whereas John mcenery was elected governor by a majority of nearly ten thousand over his opponent William Pitt Kellogg, whereas by fraud and violence. These defeated candidates cease to the executive chair, whereas off false and Infamous representations of the motives of our people. He has received the promise of aid from the federal army and whereas this mockery of a Republican government had even dared to deny that right so solemnly guaranteed by the Constitution that the right of the people to bear arms. Shall never be infringed be it resolved that double off. Ki Kellogg is a mirror usurper. Therefore. We demand of William hit Kellogg his immediate application. After quick discussion has decided that mister Maher and a few others will go in demand the Republican Governors resignation. They report back to the crowd at the Henry Clay statue by 1 p.m. With word that the government will not acquiesce Mister Maher ask what they should do. Hang Kellogg will fight. trout streams are tells them and grab their guns by 2:00 barricades are going up as the white League sees the city hall a full-on coup d'etat had gone in the bayou State this brings us to where we left off in today's open Governor William Kellogg takes cover in the granite built custom house General James old long leads a racially integrated combined force a state militia Metropolitan Police down to Canal Street to try to get the crowd to disperse barricaded Whiteley fire warning shot and then We hear the Rebel Yell. The main fight only last 15 minutes, it's near the Mississippi River Front on the east side of New Orleans downtown white League sources claim old Pete's forces fired first, but other sources say it off to tell mostly ex-confederates the white leaders Advanced firing along front and Fulton streets toward the States force on Canal Street Whiteley General Frederick Nash Ogdensburg course is shot from underneath him, but he continues on Metropolitan superintendent of police Algernon Badger is shot in multiple spots and Falls by the iron building near the Waterfront off the advancing white leader spare him. It's possible. He made a masonic sign that secured his life with some of the insurrectionists, but it's hard to say he's taken prisoner as is eventually James Longstreet. Frankly. I wonder if his forces ever stood a chance against these roughly 3,500 ex Confederate soldiers turned white Leaguers with only fifteen minutes of hard fighting and roughly Thursday. That's total. The white league has one for a few days at least President Ulysses S Grant's since 5,000 federal troops and three gunboats to restore the Crescent City's Republican Administration to restore the bio States Republican Administration, which they do on September 16th. So Republicans are back in power, but truly only at the point of federal bayonet back in the next two years. The Republicans will lose any meaningful power in the bayou state with Doug pretty deep into the rise and fall of reconstruction and Louisiana at this point. I think it's time for us to head across the state border to Mississippi here to reconstruction is drawing its last breaths. Many mississippians hear about violence in Louisiana, and they are sympathetic to the desires of their white neighbors white Democratic mississippians want to fight back against Federal policies. Keep black Americans under their thumbs just or what they call quote unquote home rule as the Magnolia state Governor Albert aims explains quote the South cares for no other question. Everything gives way to it in a support R Pressman Advocate or denounce policies flattered or murder just as such action will help them as far as possible to recover their old power over the Negro close quote God. Damn. That is a harsh unflinching conclusion Albert, but looking around it's not far off the mark In August 1874 Vicksburg is about to hold Municipal elections. No big deal. Right? I'm sure the most important issue is the bond update the city's sewer system you much about reconstruction at this point to believe that no white Vicksburg residents have been worried for awhile about the large number of black Republicans moving to their state Democrats fear that their state is because I mean quote a receptacle of the colored men generally in the South and that they would resort to that state as their home close quote this phenomenon would quote unquote Republican eyes the whole state A few white residents decide to take action to prevent that from happening in the Vicksburg elections. They formed their own white league and Patrol the streets and armed gangs on Election Day the intimidation tactics succeeds in keeping many black and white Republicans from casting about unsurprisingly Democrats sweep the city elections, but these guys are just getting warmed up see black sheriff of Orange County Peter Crosby wasn't up re-election this year. Nonetheless many white Vicksburg unions want to oust him from office in November a local paper writes an article that accuses Sheriff P A Fraud and Abuse of power output several white lie clubs into action right now. The KKK is defined thanks to the enforcement acts but white League clubs as you've already heard have taken its place in are bent on ridding their area of quote all bad and leading Negroes and controlling more strictly our tenants in other hands. is quote so using the newspaper article is cause armed white League members march on Peter's office and demand that he resign Peter a civil war vet and Native Mississippian refuses dead men will take no for an answer an armed mob soon occupies the Warren County courthouse and Peter's office forcing him to flee the city, but Peter won't just get into this violent coup. He goes to Jackson asks Governor Adalbert aims for help. Now. Here's where things get murky Albert doesn't have much by way of State militia to help restore Peter to his rightful office home. So he advises Peter to get a group of armed black men together and March on the courthouse that probably happened some of Albert's political enemies claimed that he then tells the overthrown shares in other white men have faced the bullets to free the colored people. And now if they are not willing to fight to maintain that freedom, they're Unworthy of it, but most historians agree that Halliburton never thought such unsympathetic words in either case Peter is basically on his own to take back his office. So he gives a few hundred black men from the countryside Peter Prince a leaflet that reads let us with United strength opposed this common. Enemy who by all the base subterfuges of political tricksters are trying to ruin the prospects and tarnish the reputation of every Republic. And colored or white many respond to this call armed with whatever they have on hand. On December 7th, the poorly armed Motley group marches west of expert and of course, there are different accounts of what happens when Peter Crosby's men reached the outskirts of town according to excuse Iraq Colonel horse Miller Peter has four hundred well-armed men and ready to kill every white man in town and burned the place to the ground horse has only about one hundred brave souls willing to defend themselves with rocks on Peter side claimed that he has a hundred twenty-five or so men most without guns wanting to help Peter take back his office Peters force and the Vicksburg Defenders meet near the temperature in Monument the place where General Johnston Pemberton surrendered Vicksburg General Ulysses Grant back in 1863. Some accounts claimed that white Union veteran Andrew Cohen who's here with. Harley's with horse others say that horse captures Peter and forces the black man to talk the results of the conversation seemed to be about the same the black forces agreed peacefully retreat, but that's nice. What happens according to a later investigation of this event the Vicksburg forces fire on quote unresisting and retreating men who in good faith were carrying out the agreement to depart was a simple Massacre an utterly disgraceful to all engaged in it close quote at least seven appears supporters are killed immediately many more are chased down and shot in the back woods and Fields that surround the area the Congressional investigation was the total death at 29. But the violence around Vicksburg continues the white league harasses and kills blacks murdering as many as three hundred people across the next few weeks Governor Albert requests Federal help to get the bloody situation in Pittsburgh back under control President Ulysses Grant complies on December 21st, the president issues a proclamation which states quote the disorderly and turbulent persons must disperse and retire peaceably within five days close quote you list backs up the statement of federal troops restore. Peace, the troops also helped Peter Crosby peacefully reclaim his office on January 18th, 1875 after the Vicksburg melee some mississippians who are looking to restore rather than reconstruct their state decide to take a less violent those still not subtle approach a few leading Democrats come up with the Mississippi plan as a way to achieve quote a white man's party to rule a white man's country. Close quote James Brown. See George and ethelbert Barksdale the two leading authors of this plot figure out a way to intimidate black and white Republicans into submitting to White Democratic rule in a way that won't arouse the attention or indignation of Northern civil rights Advocates or politicians this plan calls for several simple ideas, which can be carried out on a local level. For example Democrats put on a quote unquote Rifle Club parades of armed white men throughout the countryside in the days leading up to elections. They also encourage every white man to intimidate bribe or otherwise disenfranchised at least one black man, these tactics could demoralize entire groups of black voters and keep them from the polls and there are definitely more Sinister parts of the plan South Carolina copies, the Mississippi and one of their tenants specifically States quote never threatened a man individually if he deserves to be threatened the necessities of the times require that he should die a dead radical is dead. Very harmless a threatened radical is very often Troublesome. Sometimes dangerous always vindictive close quote. Damn. The Mississippi plan plays out exactly as its original strategists intend as the fall elections of 1875 approached, Mississippi Governor. Albert can see that he's going to need Federal Aid carry out fair and peaceful elections, but attorney-general Edwards Pierre Pont refuses. He knows the north won't support sending troops into the South again in September Edwards explains to Albert. I suggest that you take all lawful means and all needed measures to preserve the Peace by the forces in your own State and let the country see that the citizens of Mississippi have the courage and managed to fight for the rights. But Edwards doesn't know how to determine many white Democrats in Mississippi are to restore home rule the election numbers of 1875 proved the effectiveness of their plan in counties, which is shown a majority of black Republican votes. Just one or two years earlier Democratic ballots. Now outnumber Republicans by a large. Margin. The worst case is in Yazoo County in eighteen seventy-three. There were two thousand five hundred Republican votes in 411 Democratic in 1875. Those numbers have flipped over 4,000 Democratic votes and only seven Republican. Oh and on a side note this more balanced than people who actually live in the county that's quite the display of voter fraud and intimidation. After this election Democrats have enough government seats to oust the Republican carpetbagger Governor Albert aims and his black lieutenant. Governor Alexander Davis, Mississippi legislators impeach Alexander on trumped-up charges in January 1876 and force Albert to resign in one Fell Swoop quote unquote home rule has been restored in the Magnolia state through intimidation and fraud and show Force why Democrats have succeeded in Indian reconstruction in Mississippi other states take notice of the brutally effective Mississippi plan as I mentioned a minute ago down South Carolina follow suit in in eighteen Seventy-Six goes so far as to write out a 33-point plan to wipe out any Republican votes from Charleston to Spartanburg this plan change as well as violent deadly riots in Hamburg Ellington and other places will give white Democratic South Carolinians majority of the vote and they're 1876 elections. I suck at cooking. I've got the basics my milk to cereal ratio is perfect. But anything semi complex? Well, let's just say my family has endured a lot of Boxed Pasta at my hand. 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Mini black Southerners fight back against this home rule and many more just leave their homes and head West to seek opportunities for themselves. There's so many blacks leaving at this time. They become known as extra dusters thousands of black families across the 1870s took what little they have and move away from the violence and Terror that has become so commonplace in the South one, Louisiana and former slave in civil war vet Henry Adams puts together a poor of the crimes and threats made against blacks in his home state. He sends the report the justice department in Washington DC in the document Henry states that he and many other black families have made up their minds quote to go anywhere on God's Earth. We didn't care where we said we was going if we had to run away and go into the woods close quote. Some white Southern Democrats noticed the massive Exodus of blacks. They've had to be blind not to really but they come to the wrong conclusion about its cause a few Democratic leaders believe that this is a plot mm in the Republican vote in places like Kansas or maybe the lower the population in the southern states and decrease their sway in Washington, but Frederick Douglass along with most Northerners can see that the grill cause is the restoration of home rule and its attendant intimidation and violence. He sarcastically rights that black Republican Southerners have just decided to implement their own quote unquote mrs. G e plant another newspaper editor harshly criticizes the myopic view of many white Southerners regarding the Exodus stirs quote the southern white man is in considerably fixed in the belief that the Black Crowes incapable of any such thing as an independent self-assertive movement close quote. So 1876 presidential election year opens with racial violence and political tension on the rise in the South and though this elections candidates will try to ignore the problems on reconstruction. A Confederate states. Those issues will catch up to them eventually. Let me give you the whole story as you know, President Ulysses Grant wants a third term in the White House about as much as your mom wants your bandwidth keep practicing in her garage in other words, not at all. So the Republican Party nominates a rising star, Ohio governor Rutherford B Hayes bearded Rutherford fought in the Civil War and has pretty moderate political views. Both of these things make the 50 something gray man attractive to Republican party bigwigs and voters alike. Rutherford's running against Democrat Samuel Tilden clean-shaven Sam did not serve in the Civil War instead Sam made a name for himself politically during and after the war by cleaning up corruption in our home state of New York and in eighteen Seventy-Six. He's governor of the Empire State reconstruction issues. Don't factor into the campaign much. In fact, both Democrats and Republicans job in North are growing weary of reconstruction. They're tired of calling the racial violence in the South like you just heard when Republican attorney general Edwards. Refused to help the Mississippi Governor hold for 3 seconds Rutherford sees this hands-off approach as a good thing. He tells us Southern friend quote the let alone policy seems now to be the true course at any rate with nothing but Goodwill now exists towards you close quote the presidential campaign stays focused on economic issues until election night when a civil war amputee hanging out in the Republic. party national headquarters kicks a hornet's nest and three key Southern States On November 7th 1876 Republican campaigner Dan sickles heads to his party's national headquarters in the fifth avenue hotel in NYC Dan lost a leg in the Civil War off as a checkered past but a mildly before the war then actually shot and killed his wife's lover and then he successfully used the temporary insanity defense in court, but dance tried to put that behind him. He just wants to see if Rutherford is one of the election or not. When the dark-haired civil war vet walks into the office. It's not looking good. The place is deserted with only one clerk package need papers and asks the clerk where everyone is gone. But the young guy can only reply that Sam tilden's won the election in the Republican Party chairman, Jack Chandler has gone to bed to drown his woes in whiskey and sleep with Dan wants to see for himself. He later recalls after careful scrutiny. I reached the conclusion that the contest was really very close and doubtful. But by no means hopeless cause here's what Dan's discovered Sam definitely has New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Indiana and probably the entire South this puts him two hundred fifty thousand votes over Rutherford and gives potential e203 electoral votes since the only needs a hundred eighty-five. It looks like Democrats Sam has the election sewn up. Nonetheless dance is a light at the end of the tunnel birth. Rutherford if the Republican can win the Pacific coast which hasn't turned in results yet. And if he can retain control of South Carolina, Florida and Louisiana Rutherford can take the White House off without the party Chairman's knowledge and dashes off a telegram to the republican-controlled state election return boards in South Carolina, Louisiana and Florida. It reads quote with your state sure for Hayes. He is elected hold your state close quote these States along with Oregon will give Rutherford exactly 185 electoral votes and drop Sam tilt and below the threshold the election officials in the three Southern States followed his directions the next morning Zach Chandler announces Iraq has has 185 electoral votes in his elected. But isn't that voter fraud did these election return boards just steal Democratic votes and give them to Republicans. It's harder to answer than you might think like I've been telling you elections in the South have been Rife with voter fraud and violence for years now to give you an example in South Carolina one hundred and 1% of eligible voters cast ballots that seems unlikely to a show in other states white leagues use threats and violence to keep black voters from the polls. So as these returned boards officially see it they are simply throwing out likely fraudulent Democratic votes in counting as many republican votes as they can. It takes days to sort through the ballot in the south in the end Republican pressure on Election return boards officially gives the electoral votes of South Carolina, Louisiana and flew off to Rutherford, but Democrats won't give up that easily. As it stands at December 6th weeks after election day Sam Tilden has 184 votes in Rutherford Hayes. Definitely has a hundred sixty-five but they both claimed the remaining twenty votes wage, according to the 12th Amendment. The president of the Senate has to open the disputed votes in front of both houses and quote the votes shall then be counted close quote, but by whom Republican president of the Senate Thomas Ferry Rutherford weighs in on the matter my judgment is that neither house of Congress nor both combined have any right to interfere in the count it in the VP to do it. All his action is final there should be no compromise of our constitutional rights, but there's no way Democrats are going to let the Republican president of the Senate count alone and give the disputed votes over to the party of Lincoln. The Republicans don't want to let Democrats be a part of the counting process and turn the whole mess into a weeks-long quagmire of decisions and Delaney. In the end Congress decides that this unprecedented situation requires a never before used solution a specially-created electoral Commission in late, January 8th, 77 nearly three months out from the actual election only weeks from Inauguration Day the commission gets to work. Now this 15-man commission should have five Representatives five Senators off in five Supreme Court Justices divided among seven Republicans seven Democrats and one independent but like everything else in this election, that's not going to work out independent Supreme Court Justice David Davis resigns when he unexpectedly get selected as a senator that leaves Republican Supreme Court Justice Joseph Bradley to fill out the commission and you can probably guess they now imbalance commission will vote on party lines in a series of eight Republican just seven Democratic votes the commission decides to give the disputed electoral votes to Rutherford B Hayes dead. One outraged Democrat rails. We have been cheated shamefully cheated Democrats start calling this affair the stolen election. It's some even threatened to block rather offered from being inaugurated only political maneuvering of the highest caliber can resolve this issue. On February 26th for southern Democrats meet with five Ohio Republicans at the Wormley House in Washington DC. I can't tell you what they say. The men here aren't exactly taking notes for posterity. All we know is they start bargaining Southerners want federally imposed reconstruction. And if you want to restore home rule, you know off on interference from the feds in their state affairs, once other newspaper writes quote. It matters little to us who rules in Washington is South Carolina is allowed to have home rule close quote Republicans capitulate. They just want their man in the White House the men hammer out a few details regarding internal Improvement projects and reached deal the compromise of 1877. Is this agreement comes to be known ensures that Democrats Sam till then we'll walk away quietly and Republican Rutherford B Hayes. Well peacefully become president. It also sounds the death knell for reconstruction job. The election of 1876 may have one winner but it has two losers reconstruction in the black Americans. Its policies are designed to Aid and protect for this reason many historians Mark Rutherford Hayes has inauguration as the end of reconstruction that date makes for a nice clean answer to your monthly trivia night, but it's not the whole picture. Like I said reconstruction. It has been on the outs for a while and it will take a long time to die out completely after all the progressive laws and amendments that have been put on the books since the end of the Civil War have a lot of strength God. Let me remind you of a few of them the 14th Amendment made all African Americans citizens of the US in effect reversing the Dred Scott Decision the Fifteenth Amendment gave all men no matter their race or or previous enslavement the right to vote. Enforcement acts and the KKK act gave the federal government power to prosecute people who violate these rights in the Civil Rights Act of 1875 prohibited racial discrimination in many public places on top of these federal laws many Southern States adopted very Progressive constitutions that ensured blacks equal treatment under the law, but by 1877, they're already cracking up in this foundation. For instance Elizabeth Cady Stanton. One of the leading women's suffrage activists doesn't like the Fifteenth Amendment because it leaves out women when the amendment passed back in nineteen seventy. It created a break in the Civil Rights movements of black rights and women's rights that had been working together Elizabeth shows her Dark Side using racist language to express her anger at home in Almond received the vote while women are left out in the cold. She writes quote think of Patrick and sambo and Hans and untung who do not know the difference between a dog. Our key and Republic who never read the Declaration of Independence making laws for Lydia Maria child Lucretia Mott or Fanny Kemble close quote the immediate attack from within the government as well Supreme Court decisions narrowly interpret the language of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments and limit the power of these Progressive laws in eighteen Seventy-Six the high court heard you took the Cruikshank. This case came out of the brutal Colfax Massacre only three of the participants in that murder spree were convicted of violating the Enforcement Act of 1870, but they appealed the decision the Supreme Court overturned their convictions and then went on to rule that the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments gives the federal government authority over states that violate black civil rights off the visual people in one Fell Swoop. This ruling kills the Enforcement Act and takes the teeth out of the Fourteenth Amendment. It's a devastating blow to reconstruction. In 1883 the Supreme Court will hand down five more decisions that dismantle the Civil Rights Act of 1875 sticking with the compromise of 1877. Neither of the other two Federal branches with these rulings and President Rutherford Hayes will slowly pull federal troops out of southern states starting with South Carolina, Florida. This Retreat from reconstruction will open the door for Southern States need to write laws and even redo their constitutions to effectively disenfranchised black voters and many poor white voters as well. These court rulings and lot changes usher in the era of Jim Crow that will grip the South for decades. Is truly a heart-wrenching regressive and to an Era that began with so much hope and promise but as historian Eric foner States quote reconstruction was a revolution that went backward close quote. In fact some historians argue that reconstruction was a revolution that was forced backward by white supremacist violence James Hogan writes quote reconstruction, as a revolutionary process was not so much unfinished. Like for example a house that never got a roof or a chimney as it was destroyed more like a house or perhaps even more appropriately a church that was burned to the ground and whose inhabitants were massacred exiled or terrorized in submission close quote. In the face of the overtly criminal actions which disenfranchised and oppressed black Americans Northern Republican voters and congressmen turn away from reconstruction across the 1870s it Mark as Eric foner claims quote a decisive Retreat from the idea born during the Civil War of a powerful national state protecting the fundamental rights of American citizens down as quote in this case black American citizens Americans watching the dying Reconstruction Era can see what it means for black Americans in the South and across much of the countries the newspaper the nation reports quote. The Negro will disappear from the field of national politics henceforth the nation as a nation will have nothing more to do with him close quote. This dire prophecy comes from a desire to let go of reconstruction and get on with as the article puts it quote-unquote legitimate politics, but black Americans will not let themself disappear off years after reconstruction ends. 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Dick Morris 6-28-20

CATS Roundtable

05:03 min | 10 months ago

Dick Morris 6-28-20

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Episode 231: Stand Up for Yourself, Please

The Editors

1:08:02 hr | 10 months ago

Episode 231: Stand Up for Yourself, Please

"Whether the Cultural Revolution and trump rallies in Tulsa with us all this and more on this week's edition of the editors numbers Larry Toys by the right on well Charles, W Cook, and the notorious Boo Michael Brennan Dougherty Jim Garrity, return soon, you're listening to a national view. podcast their sponsors this week, our quip, revolutionary toothbrush and door dash the delivery service. More about them in due course, listen to podcasts on. NATIONAL YOU DOT COM clean directly on the corner on looking at you. It would be easier for you and better for us if you made us part of your feed at the streaming services out there from spotify to I tunes and feel like what you hear. Please consider giving us a glowing five star review on I. If you don't like what you hear here. Please FR- get. A said. Anything. So Nba House the Cultural Revolution. Treating you for now. Okay. I'm I'm doing fine because I know own. No. Intellectual Property from twenty years ago. That's come under fire I. I, I'm not a mayor. WHO's in charge of? You know. Keeping defending public monuments that memorialize. The great virtuous people of our society and connect generations born unborn in the dead. But everyone else is screwed. I mean this is. It's an astonishing moment I think. This, you know this is kind of summer of sixty eight for the United States. In Which? You know mostly middle class upper middle class. Privileged people are just going around and destroying. And tearing down the society that raise them And It's a sobering moment. I think it's very fearful. Moment to I think there is a kind of relationship with the COVID, nineteen lockdowns and the experience of pandemic You know there are a lot of parallels with previous global plagues where people become more sensitive, do the social ills of their time and then? More, radical. was just just kind of. Tent up energy or pent up anger or I. What would what's the psychological mechanism? I think the mechanism is that people feel more vulnerable and they lash out more when they feel more vulnerable. And so everyone is more sensitive to. What's going on around them Then than normal because I mean, this is A. I mean there is a disproportionate reaction of. there's a there is a horrible. Murder in Minneapolis. And there isn't exactly a logical connection between the hat and Tearing Down Teddy Roosevelt or Juniper Sarah in California or Voltaire in France, Alright. I mean there's. And yet it's happening You know it's as if people are trying to exorcise a demon. And you know we are conservatives, and we know that man is not perfectible, so we're going to look on these efforts and. Just see the collateral damage they inflict. But I mean it's got to be disorienting. People Right I. Mean You know if you're a normal person in you're seeing. You know what looked lake privileged Germanic, looking white women in these viral videos, shouting and screaming at. You Know Hispanic and African American cops and here being told it's the. White Women who represent anti-racism in the video I mean. You almost have to be in already familiar and indoctrinated in. This this emergent semi religion. To even grasp it Even grasped the imagery of it. I think everyone in media in the media business, maybe outside of national, review and You know those of us. Who are officially reprobate anyway I think almost everyone feels they're under siege. Right that they I mean it's just an axiom of faith now that every single media company. has failed in the mission of being diverse. Enough or inclusive enough. You know it's it's. It's almost not even an argument the. Kind of acquaintance of mine. Over at Tablet magazine, Jacob Siegel. And he wrote about how. The, these new revolutionary social movements. They argue by commandment right that they they they might assert some facts. They might say okay well. One out of five women at colleges are sexually assaulted. That's the fact. And then when you questioned the fact. Right, with you know, the fact comes with other arguments attached to it such as. Okay well, we need to change our judicial procedures so many sexual assault going published. But then when you questioned the fact, they say oh well. You're objecting to protecting women. Maybe you are a danger and similarly on crime and. Race if you say. It doesn't seem like there's any logical connection between. Protecting black lives and abolishing the police well than you're in favor of murdering George Floyd. so it's a kind of short circuiting of debate and. You know without anyone standing. You know every corporation is behind these movements now they've all pledged fealty. Every every major corporation. You have to ask. When does it? When is it going to stop you know I mean some mayors are being. Challenged I know. The mayor of Seattle went from saying she supported the autonomous zone and it was A. It was a an expression of activism. While now there's been a couple of shootings in the autonomous zone. So? It's her job. To put an end to this the world's most dangerous pillow fort and so you know. She is she actually has to do something to to stop it in her city Normal people have to do something to stop this. I mean you saw I saw. A viral video of I guess mostly Italian American. Men in Philadelphia protecting a Christopher. Columbus Statue From planned destruction It's GonNa take a lot more of that because for this cultural evolution mostly is just racking up successes. It's getting. People fired from positions of power. It's knocking over statues. Nobody's being arrested launching giant protests that are technically. Illegal and against our social distancing regime. Nobody's being punished. you know. When the basic order things is challenged. Though the only way to stop that challenge, you don't just let it. Burn out. It thrives on. Its successes the only way to stop it is to stop it. Yeah have sales kind of were recording on Tuesday heartening Monday night to see the police stop the attempted toppling of Andrew Jackson. And Lafayette Park and it'd be great though happening all around the the country instead very often. These events are completely uncontested, and no one gets charged with them but Charlie what the will people would say the woke radicals. nykanen class would say is well. There is a wise Michael mystified what the connection is between the George, Floyd, murder, and all this it all has to do with white supremacy, and that's what. Unites What author show did George Floyd and what Unites what makes Thomas Jefferson a reprehensible figure who doesn't deserve any favorable public depictions anymore? Yes, but does enormously silly, isn't it? I say they would say that, but that's because they are enormously silly. And what they have done. Is hijack a man's death. Hijack the. Rightist outrage over that man's death, and subordinated it to pre existing elite prejudices. That do not just mystify Michael, but actually mystify most people. The phrase black lives matter is pretty uncontroversial. A general statement of fact. I know some people. Prefer to say all lives, natural belief, that black lives matters divisive. But irrespective. Black lives, matter is true. It's not obvious to me however how that gets transmuted into abolish the police. It's not obvious how that gets. Translated into, pull down the statues. It's even less obvious to me how it yields a rewriting of the English language such that the word master in all context becomes unacceptable. It's not obvious to me. How it leads to. A purge so broad. that it includes. J. K. Rowling Bill Simmons. Episodes of thirty rock and Fawlty Towers and little Britain. A review. It seems of everything that's been said and laughed at in the last forty years. Do you think the people who watched that video. And we're outraged. Concluded that upset. would be filtered into this. Average person marching. is in line with. The absolute nonsense that we're seeing in the opinion. Pages of the New York Times. I don't. I think Michael's. Speaking for most people. And what we've seen hairs. Who? Probably never been to the neighborhood in which George. Floyd was killed. But have been to college. Trying to put into practice in the real world. The silliness. They learned on campus. One of the problems that we have in our modern conversation. Is Too many people who take part in. It believe that everything is everything. There is no nuance and we've seen some obvious examples of that this week. With Hannah Nicole Jones Pulitzer Prize winner. Suggesting that she would be different if statues of ulysses grant toppled is if there is no meaningful difference. Between Ulysses Grant in Jefferson Davis, but we see in all of the discourse. We see from planned parenthood, which says things like reproductive rights are racial justice rights. Now you see they're not. They have different words in front to them. Different, meanings Or Elizabeth Warren Says Black Trans Women are the backbone of our democracy. None of this means anything. These are the variable wages of intersection. This is what people have been taught on the fringes in college, and they are laundering. Them through the death. Of George Floyd which is an insult to him. And to the rest of us what I see having happened. Is that something very serious happened and something that reflected something real. Something that can be addressed. And quite quickly. For whatever reason we stopped talking about the death of George, floyd or black man and policing. or how to improve inequalities in our society, and we abstracted our conversation to a level of utter stupidity. Such that we are now focusing on once again. The preferences of a tiny sliver of people within the elite quarters. Of Our culture and we've forgotten what it was. That prompted it. IN THE FIRST PLACE! I never know what you're. You're pausing just coming up for era whether the is the end. This is why Cable News Say Back to you Bryan? So so Mike I think one of the extraordinary aspects of this. We're talking about this a little bit right before we started recording is this is almost entirely a cultural phenomenon. Government plays into it. Somewhat and Seattle. Mayor is leading that Chop Zone exists you. You don't have action against against the vandals targeting. These, these statues, but otherwise this is entirely the culture of. Building on itself and this, this reminds me. I meant to write a piece and actually. When we went in quarantine, I brought along a copy. Of A road serfdom, 'cause I was GONNA. Write a piecing hike actually got it wrong. That we have seen the inexorable growth of government same time in in America generally were we were freer than. Any other time in our history I would argue in in all sorts of ways in that not something he would anticipated, but we see here. yobs phenomenon at work. This isn't you know it's not as though governments becoming more extensive the last three. It's this the culture that is chasing things out of the Public Square, restricting the ambit for a debate and sending various offending parts of history down the memory hole. I mean I. It's It is a private affair. Ivan. Ivan interesting, quote own share. Maybe you guys can guess the author. The. Culture Wars that have convulsed America since the nineteen sixties are best understood as a form of class warfare, in which an enlightened elite as it thinks of itself seeks not so much to impose its values on the majority, a majority perceived as encourage ably racist, sexist, provincial xenophobic. Much less to persuade the majority by means of rational public debate, as to create a parallel or alternate institutions, in which it will no longer be necessary to confront the unenlightened at all. That was written in Nineteen, ninety-four by Christopher lasch. And you know. We I think we're starting to see like this this. It's like an onion. and. We're giving the deeper levels here via Nyan. Mean, we do have to confront there. There are other things happening here, too. You know I I've wondered I've seen that. Today The Washington. Post announced it was going to. Have twelve new positions related to racial justice issues including. A. Diversity inclusion editor and a reporter WHO's dedicated to reporting full-time on the connection between law enforcement. The military in white supremacist groups CETERA. And you have to look at this and see okay while the diversity officer. Position that kind of grew up in universities over the last fifteen years has reached kind of terminus in that industry, because of the industry is is bound to shrink with a shrinking college population. And obvious shrinking value of a college degree. an increasing expensive a college degree. And so okay now, diversity, the officers are pioneering into new fields, so they've seized universities from the professors now. They're gonNA sees newspapers from the journalists. So that you know that's that's part of the story. As well But mean I. Think it's time. You know what is struck me too is. You know it's time before some of us to get back to our roots, even our roots in National Review and look back at. God and man at. Yale Our founders first book. weymouth Buckley charged the universities for failing. To For, feeling to act as custodians of our civilisation right for failing to. Get their students to adhere to. Their own civilization to to know it be familiar with it, and then obviously to. Enabling them to love it and defend it. Well, Since the culture of critique captured the universities. In the sixties and Seventies. Not only have they empowered this cultural radicalism, which is everywhere including the corporate board. But they've enfeebled. The people who would defend it right I, mean they. They not only teach people to be radical, but. Normal people who pass through a liberal education on their way to founding a business to working corporation people who generally appreciate the kind of lived. Order and freedom that we enjoy in America in the, West. Those people are left enfeebled in defending their institutions defending their nation's history in defending their national heroes. Against the onslaught so I mean. We, really have to start again from the from the very ground up. In confronting this, so it's it's not even a matter of policy and the only thing one thing that did strike me as as not just government. Government is playing an explicit role currently in this revolution. But in a way you know. A really aggressive Conservative Party in government. Might! Start, doing audits of the billions of dollars spent. On Higher Education. The billions in subsidies that go to bogus social science that's basically nothing other than political agitation, the billions of dollars that. Flow into these institutions and tenure these radicals. Maybe. It probably won't happen but you know. Government did play a role in this. We did pay for this. You know? On some level like. You send your kid into these institutions and you didn't look after what these institutions were doing to the kids. just so proud. That your son or daughter got into these great institutions that you didn't bother to notice that. They weren't the same thing that they were fifty eight years ago. So, Charlie. What do you make of the role of Corporate America 'cause? It has totally capitulated at patrol. Not even the right word is just fully on board This this program and the agenda and this guy used to be a think progress. Judd leg or whatever name is is been calling around every time. A Corporation puts out a black lives matter statement if it's advertising Tucker Carlson show. Hey how can you do that? And invariably they all cancel their advertising. He did a piece like this about match. Slap the head of the EU. The other day verizon was employing slapped a represent their instance in Washington are give them strategic advice on how to reach out. To Republicans something like that and rising mmediately dump match lap, and there's just seems to be endless possibilities to get corporate America to do. The bidding of these woke activists. I think in the long run it suicidal. And they seem to be responding to internal and external pressure. The internal pressure is similar to the pressure. We've seen the New York Times. Similar to the pressure that I assume it to. Kevin Williamson, becoming so unemployable that he had to work for. National Review again. It. That being STAF who say that? The statement that was made or the donation that was announced makes them physically unsafe. And the extra no Prussia. Is Bad. Pr No one wants to be accused of racism. I am continually baffled by corporations making statements a tool. Because I've never assumed that they have anything to explain or apologize for. And I don't know why it is incumbent upon the. Northern Wisconsin widget company to announce its position on a protest in New Mexico. But as you say. The press is powerful. and. Is Quite happy to make stories so that it can report on them. I'm not talking about the likes of Judd Lego Man. He's a straight up activist. But. The New York Times has been doing this all week. Count Tomorrow How many times you read a sentence that runs along these lines. The protests that have rocked the nation in the summer of twenty twenty have raised new questions about an episode of Sportscenter from nine hundred ninety one. Well, they raise new questions, did any normal human being going about his life? Stop mid stride in the street and say my goodness me. The protests have reminded me of something that was said after the packers game. and December nineteen seventy-eight. Now of course they didn't. No one really thinks like that. People who work in newsrooms STU so they raise the question, and then they answer the question as well and that's. An absolute nightmare. If your cooperation I think. They are being shortsighted. They are Churchill put it. Feeding the crocodile in the hope, it eats them loss. Is that the people who are the most invested in this. Hate corporations. They hate for is. They hate Dow Chemicals. They hate hedge funds. Those people weren't survive. If they get their own way. If they take over. If the American economy? Is Run in the way. The New York Times is run. If Judd Logan. Comes President of the United States. He went off to them for advertising on Tucker Carlson, it'll be off them for existing in the first place. And they will come a point which they have to evaluate. Their customer base. And decide with whom? They stand. Now, of course, there's nothing wrong with innocuous statements in favor of. Elementary Rights. Favor of respect for everyone. But this has gone beyond that and it is being weaponized beyond that deliberately. As, you've as you've noted. So I think he's shortsighted. I think it is. Sad. And I think once again. It represents a hijacking. Of what happened in Minneapolis? That does a disservice. To those who genuinely outraged in genuinely seeking to effect change. So Michael, what you had suggestion there and then go conservative audit. All the money's been lavished on these institutions of higher education. which been taking radicals, and and then that was used as a beachhead into the broader culture. But what else can we? Do it it's it's hard to know you know besides standing up for the truth speaking the truth blowing the whistle on all this nonsense. Is there any specifically? Republicans and conservative also officeholders can be. Doing to to push back against this well I, know one thing for sure that is ineffective. Is Just pointing out hypocrisies or inconsistencies, right I mean like. Al.. Stuff is such a waste of time right so one of the things. People have done, and maybe it's fun, and it's the way to blow off. Steam is to say hey. You don't like this person because they own. You know you don't like grant because he owned a slave for two years and Even though he was, he came to hate slavery and. So on the major reasons why slavery was extirpated on this country okay well, everyone who has Yale in their bio. is a you know a white supremacist. You know you're benefiting from an institution named after a slave owner. so we should get rid of Yale and like okay, that's fun. That's kind of funny. But he misses the point right because the point isn't. It's not like this cultural revolution is looking to impose. Some kind of consistency, it's looking to achieve power right I mean. So, it's going after. People that are weak isolating them using whatever. Quote Unquote. Principle is at hand whacking them over the head, enjoying and laughing at them, while the guts spell out of their bodies, and you know. That's all it is. It's not about work. imposing. A rational doctrine across all. Society institutions evenly I mean you would notice he, you know black lives matter if if it were consistent. You know it would seek the opinions of black people about things like the nuclear family. Turns out. Blacks don't support the destruction of the nuclear family, which is part of black lives matters organizational platform. You know, but that's. Dwelling on the inconsistency is I think unproductive I think. What would be more productive is pointing out that most of the people. Leading these movements are. Completely empty, soulless, ugly repulsive, disgusting people that you wouldn't want. To live anywhere near you that you wouldn't want educating your kids. You know you have to speak directly to the emotions in the way they speak directly to the emotions. And you've I mean. It's. I mean culture war. Is War right? I mean it's not just one on principles. It's one in struggles of power. And adherence, so there has to be a kind of. Rallying cry for normal people. It won't come with. Trump. What do you think that Chile? Yeah I. think that's exactly right. There needs to be broader rallying cry from normal people because you can't impose this upon. A large screw you have to isolate. If you watched nature documentaries, you'll see that. The hyenas always isolate the weakest or The most heinous are the worst terrible. And the Hyenas doing that here. I! We've seen some people. Stand up and say no. I'm not going to be counseled immaturity this. Unfortunately, there's people tend to be billy as who don't have a great deal to lose Jake Rolling. Does it admirably? Elon? Musk seems capable of doing it as well. But the truth is that. You can't do it to everyone. And you can't do it to people if they refuse to. And I think that. Conservatives have a role to play here in saying that. Don't. Go along with it. Don't acquiesce. Don't accept this. These people are ultimately week. and. They're ultimately on the fringes. They've done some. Clever work in getting themselves into positions of influence but Certainly, not in any sort of majority. And there is no need to be cowed by them. I'm always struck. By this when I watched someone, stand up and say no. I won't Apologize No. I'm not what you call me no I. Don't intend to be canceled today. Thank you very much. No, my company's not doing that I'm always struck that there's no second play. It seems to me that the architects of this little cultural revolution are so used to getting their way at the first hurdle that they don't have a backup plan and there isn't one. Once, you say no, they say oh. Yes do it, and you say no, and then they say please and you say no, and then they go away. Or you ignore them completely now. That's not always possible of course. But it is certainly possible. In some of the arena, in which they like to operate social media, being one of them. I mean we have to realize these aren't ideas either, right? They're they're. They're they're kind of disorganized religious impulses so it one thing conservatives can do. is study communist agitation from before and revolutionary agitation? In history and one of the things that. You know you point out is that all these revolutions claim to stand up for classes of people victim classes of people. But of course they don't stand up for all of them right so a non feminist woman is no longer woman. An a non radical. Black is not politically black. According to Nicole Hannah Jones right, they lose their race. You know you have to realize that this is about finding a a demon, right and loading all of the. Reactionary meaning onto this demonized class of people in order to license violence and expropriation and expulsion of the demon. Right I mean it's it's it and that's why revolutions have this moral panic quality about them, right? Like this idea that a statue of Cecil Rhodes. Just standing there mute. In, Oxford is somehow driving present social evils That's not rational it is. It is disorganized religion? They're also good at filtering. Who is and who is not allowed to speak in the way, Michael described his two step process now the first step is to say if you are not of x group than you don't have standing to comment on. Why and if you don't believe the right things about why then you're not of x group, which point you've expelled everyone from polite society except the people who agree with you and this is a. Trend has gathered speed in the last few years. and has been relatively successful in academia. But that I think would still fail. If implemented outside of it because. Most people simply don't think like that. So next question to you nbd one aspect of this has been assault on Thomas Jefferson. Statue Jefferson was toppled in. Portland and you have city council members in New York City agitating to have Jefferson removed from the city council chambers. The question is. Will there still be a Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC? And Twenty thirty are not. In twenty thirty. Yeah. I'm saying no. No. Absolutely yes, there will. This is not an impulse that will survive if put to. A vote. I think people would be shocked. By the backlash that any proposal to remove the Jefferson Memorial would generate and I think that such a proposal would do an awful lot of damage to whatever project it is. Those advocates are engaged in. Hate said Charlie I'm with Michael. I think they're gonNA. Get Jefferson. I don't think they should should get Jefferson I. Don't think they're getting them. This time necessarily, but I think overtime they will. They'll manage twenty third to make. In ten years. Yeah. We're we disagree profoundly on this. Well we'll see an are twenty thirty. Are January twenty thirty edition? We'll return to this this exit question, so let's pause here from one of our sponsors this week clip. Let's talk about brushing your teeth. Seventy five percent of us, old worn out, bristles that ineffective in even more people forget to floss daily. 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The Reno's mostly not mostly empty, but had a lot of empty seats and the outside overfill area where trump pence for both gonna which both pets and trump we're gonNA address was mostly empty that part of it had to be cancelled and the stage dismantled. What did you make of it? This is a lovely little example of why hate everyone. The press leading up to it was intensely annoying. decided that this was some secret plot to win over. White supremacists incurred a lean. Holding it on June eighteenth in Tulsa. I doubt Donald. Trump knows who was president in one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty I, think the. PROSPECT OF HIS PLOTTING A. Massive dog, whistle. What purpose I don't know is slim. And then the media flipped daily between. Lauding massive protests. In New, York and I'll swear and. Crying about the prospect of people being in close proximity at Donald Trump rally. And then Donald. Trump did all the things that Donald Trump does. He exaggerated his crowd size. Obsessed over those numbers. He showed that he is laser focused on the important questions before America. Questions like did he walk widdly down and airliner ramp, and can he drink water with two hands? With one hand. Well both actually managed to do both so now now we're. Disabused of that notion. And then, of course, the press took. The small crowd size s some sort of incredibly meaningful statistic that August elva November when in fact it's. Really not especially. Important and Praised without knowing whether it's true or not. Those! WHO said that they had used Tiktok? To Bible the tickets. which had happened to Barack Obama would have been an outrageous use of big tech and possibly foreign interference in elections. So what do I think of it I? Thought that it was an unfortunate reminder of the symbiotic relationship that Donald Trump has. With the press reminded me of all of the things I hate about coverage of the president, and all the things that I hate about the president, and it was therefore lovely overture to the next six months of my life has. Yeah get used to it, so mvp the trailer for the long riff about walking down the ramp at West, point and drinking the water, which was legitimately funny. You Know He. He's a great showman. Reminded me something you know. Story told by nineteenth century, humorist or something, but clearly this this. Is Not something higher president for and when it came to addressing that corona virus, I wrote this six thousand word peace. No one read it could cause six thousand words, or or or maybe because people are over the coronavirus. Or both, but they've done. Incredible exertions all these people working under trump. You know twenty four hours a day thinking. How can we solve this testing problem? Hasn't we get more testing? How can work with companies to get more testing? What what kind swabs do we need to have this bottleneck in the supply chain? Can we get you cotton to make a different kind of Swab? You know that has That's shorter. That that works with the US cotton machines, but it's not been the standard using to this point can the FDA test that blessed that and clear way the regulatory obstacles unproven on and on, and he gets up there and jokes. You know it was a joke that you know the problem with testing, is you? Turn up new cases. The more you test, so I told people slow down the testing at of course on twitter, all of these journalists. They don't my Gosh, she. He ordered a slowdown in testing. There's no way order to slow down testing, but this is an instance where he had something legitimately to brag about and to explain, and just he just couldn't do it I can't do it, and I've written now these three pieces on chronic virus or thoughts things they've gotten right or have improved. They've relatively neglected by the mainstream press and one reason that no one really knows about them is the president can't or won't explain what they did. Is just. It's he's. He's a very talented communicate power powerful communicator in many ways, but this part of his repertoire. This part of the repertoire is just missing. I mean. Trump is not very well connected to what's happening in his administration at times right? I mean this isn't. New Either Right I. Mean he when he? He shows remarkable ability to be indifferent to the outcome. while he obsesses about the perception The whole point of the kronas thing of do more testing. We get another case and is a number that's counted against me. Right and you know it's. It's happened before right I mean. He announces withdrawal from Syria. And then a few weeks later, the White House announces row withdrawing from Syrian fact, adding troops to Syria You know, and so with testing. Trump says I don't like testing is administration is doing everything to clear every possible hurdle and facilitate testing You Know Yeah I. Mean I definitely have confidence that country led by? Donald trump is going to preserve. Its historic statues and monuments I mean. It's definitely we're. We're hands of professionals here I. I don't know he's an unserious guy he's. Like he's fun. UCLA areas. I mean my favorite thing is like. You know if you if you venture out on. Twitter among you know some. Like if you go into black twitter and see opponents of the president during one of these rallies. They're like Gosh I hate how funny this guy is. He's legitimately funny. But That's not gonNA be enough I, mean we? Actually living in serious times. You know he was able to get away with being who he is for three years because his opponents memed themselves into believing. That Russia was broadcasting directly from. An antenna in Putin's head into. The heads of Donald Trump and his advisors. And because the economy was going gangbusters Since then we've had global pandemic. We have tremendously high unemployment. The money's running out for millions of Americans on relief money to pay for their mortgages or Keep salaried staff. employed. and. What does he have? All he has is his rivalry with the media. So! That's what he emphasized instead his rallies. And Four. You know a lot of Republicans that will be enough right I mean a lot of Republicans are looking out on the country right now. They're seeing statues torn down there. Seeing what you know in their mind is the other side. This is what the other side is, and they're gonNA. Vote for trump I don't think there's enough of them however to carry them to election. So I hope trump has fun on this last. Nationwide tour because it's always from. So Charlie. What do you make of that point that Michael Just made that? You look at the cultural. Revolution Royal in the country that we spent the first part of this podcast discussing, and you may not like trump. You may think he's ill-suited. Also sway ways for the office, but given that backdrop it makes supporting him in voting for him more important than ever because imagine how bad it would be if you have the culture revolution ongoing in people who sympathize with it, potentially controlling all the elected levels levers of power in Washington. I absolutely understand people who make that case for voting. I'm not sure what supporting him means though. Even if one concluded that one had to vote for him, that doesn't mean one has to like him. Does it doesn't mean on has to express failty? Oh to believe that he's doing a good job even. The argument that one should vote against. His opponent his hair. Beyond that. I tend to. See it as bullying. The fact is irrespective of whether one should vote for trump. Or for Joe Biden, or for neither irrespective of whether one should want Republicans or Democrats to run Congress or State Legislatures Remains the case that Donald Trump is ineffective. He has been ineffective in almost every aspect of his presidency. He along with Mitch McConnell has done a great job on judges. That's a bright spot. But he is not. An effective warrior in the culture war. Is Donald Trump saying right now. Doing right now. Leading. Right now. How you want him to. Is He a voice for? Conservatism. A defender of the Republican Party. Is He an advocate for American history. Does He. Draw. Useful distinctions. This he thoughtful. Is the eloquent. Is he focused. No? That's a separate question of course from whether he is necessary as a bullock for religious liberty or Constitutional, originalism, limited government or whatever? I can think of so many people knows all of them conservatives. Who would be doing a better job right now a spokesman. Against Annakie. Essay champion. Of. America it's creed. Its history. and. The elements within it that have made it exceptional. Donald trump wouldn't be anywhere near. My list. And I think that's a shame and I think that that has made a lot of people who will nevertheless vote for him, angry and disappointed. I think he has missed chance we've talked before. About his missed opportunities on immigration. On the sort of agenda that Michael would prefer the Republican Party pursue not minus. Classical, liberal or Libertarian, Lena? Missed opportunities on bringing New People into the party on trying to do better with African Americans on. Winning Hispanic men for example on retaining. Blue collar white voters who flip between the parties every four or eight years. I think he's sharing exactly the same lack of discipline lack of understanding lack of. Quality. Here. Asks there that might be who is necessary. Politically! The arguments we have. UH, he needs to veto that. Him who stands between? You and Sonia Saute my all. But is he? Really. A good spokesman for. America No. He's not. He's terrible. And when he does show up, he bungles it. So Michael, what do you make of that? The conventional wisdom coming out of the rally? That trump really doesn't have any good material against Biden all the. Perfect alias sold outside. The event was anti-obama or Anti Hillary there wasn't really any anti Biden stuff to be seen because people don't. They're not really vested in their animosities. Toward. Joe Biden and just not none of his anti Biden stuff cuts. I mean. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in two thousand, sixteen were both their respective parties. Most, unpopular, presidential nominee. Ever? In the history of polling. Donald Trump was an incredibly unpopular republican nominee who had the fortune of running against the most unpopular democratic nominee ever. Joe Biden is not. Incredibly unpopular. He's just not. Joe Biden is. has shown in the Democratic primary. You know somewhat to my surprise an ability to win. The Obama. Trump voter. The Obama voter who is tempted towards Sanders sometimes. Yeah it's there isn't a huge amount of cut through the you know the clips that. I think some of watch of Joe Biden. The go viral among conservatives where Joe Biden seems to be. You know you feel bad for Joe Biden because Joe Biden always wanted to be president and you see these clips in. You realize he's not here to enjoy being his party's nominee Only, we are seeing those clips because the Internet is sending them to us in a sense like we've selected for them. Most people have pretty positive views of Joe Biden and the poll numbers right now. Really reflect that and. You know trump would need kind of epoch debate meltdown from Biden or you know he needs more clips of Biden. Telling the world that he's going to give you know the brief for gun control to. Beto O'Rourke you know he needs lots more that. To drive. Biden's negatives up. They'll go up a little bit. As we get closer to the bone in the election, but I mean. It's dangerous and yeah, he's. He's running out of material. We've also. Know! Trump was a contrast to a government that had been divided. You know with a small two, thousand, eight, two thousand ten interruption. Since two, thousand, six and a government. That wasn't doing a lot. A kind of political culture that was stayed and boring where there was a big centrist consensus that had absconded lots of issues from democratic input like immigration. Trump interrupted that and brought chaos and unpredictability to twenty sixteen race on now. We've had three years of chaos impeachment. Now, global pandemic. And I. Don't know a guy smirking as he drinks. Glass of water may not be who you want as president any Mauger. took x question you. Trump has about four months to right the ship of this campaign. You consider that plenty of time, just enough time or not nearly. Enough time I think Joe Biden is the favorite, and I think that that will probably remain the case. On Election Day. But I think that there is enough time. For! To right the ship, not least because. The voters! He seems to be losing. Winnable. Whether he has the focus and the discipline. And the will to do that. I don't know, but there is enough time there is. No question about that. I'm. There's enough time because time. We're living in an obvious time-warp right I mean impeachment was this year? I mean the Obama years and the tea party are now so distant. They feel like something. I experienced secondhand by watching the wonders. So, yeah, there's there's there's time right I mean. You Know Joe Biden. Pick up vice presidential nominee who scares people embarrasses him or ties him closer to the kind of cultural chaos. That, we are seeing You know all sorts of things can happen. You know. Who knows maybe maybe prison Z. will shut down. Tick Tock in all the millennials forget when devote I, I've no idea. So it'd be better if they're more time, but there there's clearly enough time whether whether hold take advantage of it or not obviously. Remains to be seen. Let's hear from our second sponsor now this week. DOOR DASH candid on restaurants now they're counting on you while they're dining. Rooms may be closed or restricted. They're still open for delivery with DOOR DASH door. Dash is the APP that brings you food. You're craving a right now. Right to your door. Ordering his easy opened the door dash APP. Choose what you WANNA eat your food will. He left safely outside your door with a new contact list delivery drop off setting with over three hundred thousand partners in US Puerto Rico Canada Australia. You can support your local news or choose from your favorite national restaurants like poulty Wendy's and the cheesecake factory. Man of your favorite local restaurants are still open for delivery. 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In Japan, which was different from the fifty six American version. Is just an incredible? Piece of cinema Terrible special effects of the time. But it's like this profound movie. That really is one of the first mass cultural products in Japan that dealt with. the horror of Hiroshima Nagasaki and the firebombing of Japan and sexually in some ways incredibly moving Film and I highly recommend every film buff who thinks that Godzillas, just this kind of hokey joke to. Check it out while they can. Charlie I after a bit of a delay. What's a movie that call Smith recommended to me Ford v Ferrari looks one. It is a good one it was it was a father's Day. Treat got to sit down and watch this movie which quite long when we're three hours without any interruptions, and I would highly recommend I. It's it's an old fashioned for what set in the sixties, but it's an old fashioned film in. In many ways. It's almost unsolved conscious. But the performances. Are Terrific and. The costumes are great, and of course you got to see a bunch of beautiful beautiful vintage cars. Ten out of ten. So I. Put on the list of things. I wish I didn't know, but it turns out if you ask Siri who Bambi is, you will learn about some transgender performer from France. Who had the stage name? Bambi so let me pause here and do plug for our plus digital subscription service at national review. Dot Com, growing by leaps and bounds. It's your way to avoid increasingly extensive meter paywall on national review, which I know is very annoying. I know their ways to try to. Dance around, but it just be a lot easier if you gave in and. Signed up for an A-PLUS pay the five dollars a month. Whatever it is on the various introductory sales we have going at various times. 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Pick is piece by Danielson Radio One of our young fellows. his a piece explaining the deadly Sino Indian border clash from late last week. this is a story. I just didn't have my bearings on, and I think a lot of people understand that you know when to countries representing forty percent of the planet's human population. are suddenly shooting at each other On a disputed. It's a big story. Daniel covers a lot of. Stuff and China for us. And he's great checking out. Charlie! What's your pick? My pick is your piece actually rich Thomas Jefferson must stand fairly self explanatory. You point out that. People. Who believe this feel the same way about America? Flawed but ultimately inspiring and should stay with us for as long as possible. They Charlie might pick is actually response. To COBB's last week by Kyle Smith I wrote a column about how I don't think conservatives should be vested in defending defending confederate monuments. Obviously, it doesn't mean they should be a torn down or at that elected bodies is sadly very often. Do feel pressured by the mobs. Oppose all that, but I just don't think on the merits. These things should have been. Erected in the first place or should be maintained over time. Kyle Rote just fantastically a well done rejoinder we'd been back and forth on this one before its time of the CHARLOTTESVILLE protest four or five years ago, just a really compelling piece and I wrote a reply. Intern, so one of the things we pride ourselves on at national review is is being open to debate and clashes of opinion speaking of which by the way NBD I still owe you reply on your vicious and unfair attack on the Universal D. H. which is coming. Is GonNa Make Baseball finally? The platonic ideal of the sport always should have been. The disasters wrong turn at the beginning pitchers. So that's it for us. 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69: Surrender at Appomattox: The Last Days of the Civil War

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69: Surrender at Appomattox: The Last Days of the Civil War

"History that doesn't suck as a biweekly podcast delivering legit seriously researched hard hitting survey of American history through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support HDD S or enjoy some perks like ad free early releases or patron exclusive mini episodes, please consider giving at patriotic dot com forward slash history that doesn't suck to keep up with HDD s news follow us on facebook twitter or instagram. Palm Sunday April ninth eighteen, sixty five. General Ulysses s grant and a few officers right along a dirt road in the quaint hamlet of APPA maddox courthouse. But the aren't headed to the town's namesake building. No they're writing to its other impressive structure. The McLean house. Wilmer McLean. Bought the charming three story tall red brick home with white trim windows in an expansive porch a few years back after his previous residents became the battlefield for first bull run slash Manassas. Poor guy wanted to avoid the fighting how ironic? If all goes well, today is parlor is where the war will effectively end. This Party of union leaders? Make it to Mcclain's home at one thirty PM. Tyne off his horse ulysses sends the wide wooden stairs leading to the front door alone. Stepping inside he enters the parlor immediately on his left different council recall various details on the furniture. But the seventeen by nineteen foot room has at least a black fireplace adorned with white vases. Pattern carpeting a turtle top marble table, a small wooden oval table a couch in a number of chairs. It's here that you listeners greeted by three men, US lieutenant, Colonel Orville, Babcock confederate colonel, Charles Marshall, and of course, the man with whom you list hopes to start the peace process confederate general Robert e Lee. The to commanders could not contrast more starkly at fifty eight years old. The white-bearded blueblooded confederate is dressed in an impeccable gray uniform with a silk sashes dress sword. He stands tall and elegant. Meanwhile, the forty two year old dark bearded US commander whereas dirty union, blue uniform and mud-caked boots. No Sword. Only his shoulder straps indicate his rank of. Lieutenant General. Both men apologize to the other the one for having nothing suitable apart from this new uniform the other for wearing such quote unquote. Rough Garb. Other union leaders enter. You listen introduces them and tries to make small talk. I met you once before generally while we were serving in Mexico when you came over, from general, Scott's headquarters to visit Garland's Brigade. To the Ohio surprise bobby clings to remember him as well. Meanwhile Bobby Lee expresses his thanks to Lawrence Williams. The Federal General sent him a message this morning informing him that his confederate son Cuss Disley was not killed in battle a few days ago as reported. But good has that news is bobby has no interest in dragging this out. He sick at the thought of what must be done and would rather dispense with the pleasantries. I suppose general grants that the object of present meeting is fully understood. I asked to see you to ascertain upon what terms you would receive the surrender of my Miami. The US army general and chief understands. He'll later no in his memoirs, the empathy feels. He's feeling for bobby Lee in this moment. I. Felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a folk who had fought so long and valiantly, and it suffered so much for 'cause though that cause was I believe one of the worst for which people ever fought. Well, dressed in spoken as the vanquished Virginian is ulysses can still see the pain hiding behind the white beard and Brown eyes I mean merely that your army should lay down their arms and not take them up again during the continuance of the war unless duly improperly exchanged. euless answers. Those are about the conditions which I expected would be proposed the confederate response nodding approvingly. Ulysses starts to wax eloquent on piece the end of this fight a cessation to the needless loss of life. Once more though bobby points to the task at hand. I presume general grant we have both carefully considered the proper steps to be taken and I would suggest that you commit to writing the terms you have promised so they may be formerly acted upon. Very well. I will write them out. Illicit aide De. camp. Colonel. Ely Parker brings a cigar chewing commander the small oval. Table. Ulis choose away as he writes up the terms. Wants done. He hands it to bobby. Putting on his spectacles, the older virginian can hardly believe what he's reading. General grant is offering him and his entire army protection for being prosecuted for treason. His officers can even keep their arms and horses. The generosity is astounding. These are not the terms of a conqueror. He's the terms of one who wishes to heal a nation. This will have a very happy effect. Bobby replies as he reads. After making some small edits to the original drafts language Ellie Parker puts his gifted penmanship to task and writes up the formal surrender. It's concluded. Though the formal ceremony will take place three days from now Bobby Lee has surrendered the confederate army of Northern Virginia. He makes the obligatory rounds greeting each of ulysses officers. A pauses as he comes to Colonel Ely Parker. You know the man who just pinned the terms of surrender. Bobby looks mortified as he takes in the well built man's black hair and dark complexion. Is easily black. No. He's a Senate can in fact, he's a grand stadium of Iroquois League. Bobby seems to relax as he realizes. Is Indigenous. I am really glad to see one real American. Bobby finally says they shake hands. Healy's response could not be more profound. Speaking as an indigenous American at the end of a war with still unknown ramifications on American identity. The answers gray clad general. We are all Americans. Welcome to history that doesn't suck I'm your Professor Jacks and I to tell you the story. Today we end the civil. We've heard so many stories, I met so many people. But now we'll hear how to generals on a battlefield in Virginia bringing this brutal bloody war to a close. To Start I'll tell you about the final battle Petersburg and the fall of Richmond. From there will follow Bobby Lee a desperate dash across Virginia to save his army and the confederacy. You'll learn about some of the final battles of the civil war in the lead up to the surrender had apple matic's once that's done. I'll talk about a few big picture takeaways from the war. You know the broad themes you'll want to know before we move onto the next phase of American history. So go back in time a month with me to march eighteen, sixty five. Let's see how Robert e Lee goes from defending Richmond to surrendering t lucy's s grant in the village of asthmatics courthouse. Here we go. rewind. It's march, twentieth eighteen sixty five lieutenant general ulysses s grant sits at his headquarters in city point Virginia just outside the Petersburg battle lines. You, listen his wife Julia have heard how tired and rundown President Lincoln looks these days. So the grants have decided to invite Lincoln to visit see the troops and take a rest. euless rights to his boss. Can you not visit city point for a day or two? I would like very much to see you and I think the rest would do you good. When the president gets the invitation. He immediately agrees the idea of getting out of DC for a few days. Sound so good in fact that first lady Mary Lincoln and their son Tad decide to come along. Yeah. You know you're getting desperate for a day off when a vacation near the front lines of the civil war sounds better than a day in the office. On March Twenty Third Lincoln hop on the Steamer River Queen and head south to meet up with you Liz. The. President has a great time on the short journey. Feel. So good to be out from under the weight of office seekers, meetings, telegrams, and Battlefront News. Mary describes that Lincoln quote. Freely, gave vent to his cheerfulness. He was almost boyish in has mirth and reminded me of his original nature. Close quote. The River Queen arrives at city point on the James River, the next evening and Lincoln's feeling better than he has in years. The president and the lieutenant general have a quick meeting. Ulysses Assures Lincoln that the war will be over soon that confederate general Robert Leah's running out of men and supplies with which to defend Petersburg. Can goes to bed unaware of just how true ulysses words were Here's the thing. Ten Miles west of city point in Petersburg Virginia. Bobby Lee is as stressed as Lincoln is relaxed. He doesn't have enough soldiers to defend the ramp hearts or man the guns on the Petersburg lines, and he doesn't have enough food or Ammo to supply the troops. He has this frustrates the hell out of the newly appointed General in Chief of the confederate army's. He writes the secretary of war and bags for food for his men. He also writes. I can no longer sustain even our small force of cavalry around. Richmond. That's right. There's nothing for the horses to eat either. Bobby lease in a tough spot. But he's gotten idea. The white-bearded Virginia plans to abandon Petersburg fight his way through union lines, March southwest West, and Hook up with General Joseph Johnston in North Carolina. Plan will mean giving up the capital city of Richmond, but it will save the army of northern. Virginia and breathe hope into the dying confederacy. Within hours of Lincoln's arrival at City Point Bobby Lee puts his plan into action. In. The Predawn Light March twenty fifth confederate soldiers make their move against a small log cabin and east portion of Petersburg lines. Notice Fort Stegman A few confederate soldiers acting like deserters come up on the union pickets at the four it started conversation. Once the blue clad guards fully relaxed the rebel deserters show their true colors and signal for their comrades till launch an attack. The battle harding grey clad men soon overrun surprised union soldiers at the Fort. But the reds are overwhelmed by Yankees and can't hold onto fourth standards along. By lunchtime federal troops have retaken the Fort. Captured confederate breast works. Union armies inflict five thousand casualties including taking about two thousand prisoners of war. Bobby Lee has lost man. Lost Part of his defensive works lost the element of surprise. That afternoon Lincoln still goes on his schedule tour union lines and troops. The presidential entourage can't miss the aftermath of the battle for its deadman. The sites sober Lincoln's mood. When he sees lines of confederate POW's. One Observer reports quote. Lincoln's whole face showed sympathetic feeling for the suffering about him. Close, quote. But the tour continues and the rail splitters presence. Cheers Up Union soldiers holding the lines at Petersburg. That evening, Ulysses Lincoln and several other generals and officers sit around A. Campfire. They're easy. Conversation turns serious toward the end of the night. EULESS. Turns. His Blue Eyes on Lincoln and asks. Mr. President. Did you anytime doubt the final success of the 'cause. Lincoln. Doesn't hesitate. Never four moment. The president's visit to city point strengthens his relationship with. Ulysses. A. Few days. Later, the two men are joined by another general who has been fighting to save the Union? General. William. tecumseh Sherman better known to his friends as COMP. Ulysses best friend COMP had already been planning to come to city point before Lincoln showed up. It's just good timing and better luck that the president happens to be here to when cup arrives on the night of March twenty seventh. The next morning some of the highest authorities in the Union War Effort Abraham Lincoln Ulysses Grant William Tecumseh Sherman US Navy Admiral David Porter all meet to discuss how to bring the four year long war to an end. The military men and their commander in chief want to know what terms of surrender they should offer to the confederate armies when the time comes. Lincoln emphasizes generosity and. Leniency. All I want of you is to defeat the opposing armies and to get them in composing the confederate armies back to their homes at work on their farms and in their shops. Let them have their horses to plow with and if you like their guns sucrose with, we want those people to return their allegiance to the Union. Damn those are generous terms. So come ask a clarifying question. What about confederate President Jefferson Davis. Should. He Be Tried for treason? Of course, Lincoln goes back to his country lawyer roots in answers with the story. He tells of a man who has vowed to give up alcohol. When he goes to a friend's house is? Host offers. Eliminate. The host then says lemonade would go down easier if he pours a bit of Brandy in it. Lincoln relates the man's reply. If, you can do so unbeknownst to me I would not object. Cup laughs and nods in understanding if Jeff Davis can escape the country and avoid treason trial unbeknown to Lincoln. That would be just fine with the president. Cup leaves the meeting impressed with Lincoln? The red bearded general later recalls. Of all the men I ever met Lincoln seemed to possess more of the elements of greatness combined with goodness than any other. Diet evening the party breaks up. COMP returns to north. Carolina. EULESS has a few miles west to the battlefront near Petersburg. Lincoln stays in city point eager for these men to bring the war to a close and he list wastes no time making that happen. On March twenty ninth, the Union commander takes a short train ride west from city point to gravelly run the new headquarters of the Union Front. He writes out orders for his short in stature but Fearless Cavalry Commander Phil Sheridan. You might remember from episode sixty, four that Phil has been rocking on the battlefield, cutting off confederate supply lines and subduing his rebel counterparts. Ulysses orders seemed to ignore that they outlined and his men should try to hit Bobby Lee's right flank. But if that's a bust, the cavalry should ride down to North Carolina to help to comes to Sherman in his army. What. So when Phil Reads Ulysses Orders Kinda pissed. But the blue eyed lieutenant general gets it. He pulls villa side and gives him the whole picture. EULESS had to put a contingency plan in writing but he tells Phil that he fully intends to end the war right here. The Calorie won't have any need go to North Carolina. Phil brightens up and replies. I'm glad to hear it and we can do it. The moustachioed cavalryman goes on to say that as the war ends, he wants quote to be in at the death. Close quote. Fill positions his men near the crucial crossroads called five forks to cut off Bobby Lee's best escape route. Since the debacle at Fort Stadmann, Bobby, Lee has stretched out his Petersburg Line. So thin the raid snap. Even. So He sends eleven thousand men under the command of General George Pickett to quote. Hold five forks, all hazards. Close quote. Bobby Lee also sends a message to President Jeff Davis up in Richmond, that this move seriously diminishes our ability to maintain our present line. The next seventy, two hours will be crucial. On. Thursday march thirty. It starts raining. The rain pours down in sheets, fills, trenches, and soaks gunpowder. But that does not deter Phil Sheridan from launching an attack on General George Pickett's lines at five forks. On Friday the thirty first, the desperate confederate soldiers fight against fills union troops with it's nasty deputy, their low numbers, even lower rations. But how long can they hold out? Up in Richmond Jeff Davis makes a move that shows just how worried he is. He gets his wife Berina and therefore looking children out of town. On Saturday April. First Union soldiers fight on. Now, Phil once told Ulysses I have never in my life taken a command into battle and had not the slightest desire to come out alive unless I one. Damn to wonder euless gave this assignment to fill. After two days of hard fighting at five forks, union numbers and Phil. Sheridan's iron will finally break the confederate lines. Ulysses. Doesn't pause for a second. He knows that this victory has opened his chance to break the lines at Petersburg Bobby Lee has lost about twenty percent of his army to death wounding or caption last week. So the Union Lieutenant General Orders Don attack of the Petersburg breast works. At four forty, five on Sunday April Second Union guns opened fire on the rebel lines. The army of the Potomac has been fighting here for months. This is their chance to finally overrun the seemingly impenetrable confederate lines and seize Petersburg. Hundred Twenty five thousand Blue Clad Yankees fight with everything they've got. The breakthrough the outer lines and several places taking thousands of confederate soldiers prisoner. Bobby Lee with only about thirty three, thousand men realizes he can't hold Petersburg or richmond any longer. A white haired Virginia orders a full retreat. Ground Tinian. Sends a message to his bosses in the capital. I see no prospect of doing more Dan Holding our position here till nine. I am not certain that I can do. If I can. Show withdraw tonight north of Apple Matic's. Word of the disaster. Petersburg Soon Rookies Jeff Davis twenty miles north and Richmond. History that doesn't sock is sponsored by Bombo. Baba's makes the most comfortable socks in history of feet they've literally re-thought. Socks, we wear to make them away more comfortable. I wear them every day and I love how they never slide off my heel or bunch up on my toes doesn't matter if I'm in the classroom or going for a run, they keep me comfortable all day long. But the socks do more than keep my feet cozy. They help give back to the most vulnerable members of our community because for every pair of socks purchase Baba's donates a pair to someone in need. The generosity of Bomba's customers has allowed them to donate over thirty four million pairs of socks and county through their nationwide network of three thousand plus giving partners. To Bomb Dot Com Slash H. T. D. S. Today and get twenty percents off your first purchase. That's B. O. M. B. A. S. dot com slash HDD s for twenty percent off. Bombay DOT COM SLASH HDD S. And now back to the story. Eleven o'clock on Sunday. April Second Jeff Davis sits in his family Pew at Saint Paul's Episcopal Church. Torrential rains that it's soaked. The soldiers at five forks have finally cleared. Sunshine pours through the detailed stained glass windows lining the walls of the Church Jeff quietly listen to the sermon. than a messenger walks up the aisle carrying a single envelope and stops at the confederate presence Pew. Pastor continues, his Sermons Jeff Opens the envelope and reads the message inside. That telegram from Bobby received just twenty minutes ago at the war department. Jeff bobbies message. The last line makes him catch his breath. I advise at all preparation be made for leading Richmond. Tonight. I will advise you later according to circumstances. Are, key Lee. Jeff says nothing. He quickly stands walks down the aisle and exits the church. Several officers and cabinet members guests something big is just going down they follow jeff out the building. Within. A FEW MINUTES JEFF has his entire cabinet gathered in a meeting. While he expected the state of calm just not as ready as you might think. Yeah, he sent his family away a few days ago and many offices have been packing valuable documents. But on the Sunday morning, Jeff, his cabinet scrambled to abandon their headquarters and capital city at Richmond. The president sends a message to Bobby Lee which reads. To move tonight will involve the loss of many valuables both for the want of time to pack and of Transportation Arrangements are progressing in unless you otherwise advise the start will be made. But the real thing confederate president has no choice in the matter. Tells his subordinates to pack as many valuables as possible and burn the rest. Richmond residents get the hint when they see stacks of burning papers outside government offices. The streets become jammed with wagons full of furniture valuables in assessing. The train depot flows with people desperate to leave the city and every available train cars jam packed with panicked travellers. Jeff himself works until after dark. He finally leaves the call and stuccoed confederate White House at seven. PM being sure to leave his desk me in early. He boards a special eight car train along with members of his cabinet and their staff. The train pulls out of Richmond around Eleven PM bound for Danville Virginia where the say government officials hope to set up a new capital those who can't afford to leave or have nowhere else go locked themselves in their houses and listen to the city burn. The last remaining. CS. Military men have orders to set fire not only to records and papers, but to warehouses full of tobacco and cotton munitions and liquor stores. The Fire Burns all night strain blocks of civilian properties well. Lueders possibly the same hungry citizens who participated in the Richmond bread riots. You heard about an episode fifty eight break into abandoned stores and steal any necessities left on the shelves. Near. Dawn the last retreating rebel troops set fire to an ordinance depot. Exploding shells break windows and feed the fires destroying Richmond. Diarist Mary Chestnut laments quote. Everything is lost in Richmond even our archives. Blue Black is our horizon. Flows quote. The next Morning Union troops under the command of general. Godfrey white sold move into Richmond their first order of business douse the flames still threatening the city. From there they can restore order and safety instead of baseball operations. And you can bet that more than one white Richmond resident takes notice of who has just put out the flames occupied their hometown. The All Black Twenty Fifth Union core. The firefighting impeach restoring efforts take awhile. So it's not until late morning on Monday April third that President Lincoln and General Ulysses Grant here about the occupation of Richmond. Lincoln's at city point with Admiral David Porter when he gets a telegram with the news. The president's lying face creases into a broad smile and he says David thank God that I have lived to see this. It seems to me that I have been dreaming Horrid Dream for four years and now. The nightmare is gone. News of Richmond's occupation by Union forces also reaches Washington, DC the reaction. There is a little less reverent and subdued than Lincoln's just before noon. The Telegraph operator at the war department gets a message that reads quote. Here's the first message for you in four years from Richmond. Close quote. The shocked operator jumps out of his chair runs to the open window shouts to passersby Richmond has fallen. The news which clearly indicates that this gruesome stressful war is coming to a close spread like wildfire throughout Washington. City. War Secretary Edwin Stanton gives an impromptu speech to a crowd of well-wishers. With the breaking voice in tears in his eyes, Edwin expresses. Thanks. To the president. To the army and navy. To. The great commanders of sea and land. The gallant it officers amid who have perild their lives upon the battlefield and drenched the soil with their blood. Closed. Quote. Dan. Virginia Lincoln doesn't wait long to visit. Richmond. Let me give just a bit of geography. City point sits at the confluence of James and Apple Matic's rivers. Has Easy access to Petersburg on the FM addicts in Richmond on the James So on April. Fourth. Lincoln gets on a small ship with David, porter in just ten sailors. The party sales north up the winding James River to Richmond. Be. Brave torpedoes and debris in the water but make it safely to the burned over city. When Lincoln arrives, he walks the city streets observing shards of glass and charred remains of confederate records. Of course, the ungainly rail thin president gets noticed by. Richmond residents right away. Now that Richmond has been occupied by union forces the emancipating proclamation applies here. Newly freed black men and women surround. Lincoln shout praised him. It's some even meal at his feet. Lincoln humbled by this and says to the crowd. Don't kneel to me. That is not right. You must kneel to God only and thank him for the liberty. You'll hear an after joy. I am but God's humble instrument. Wing continues his tour of the city. He goes to the confederate white. House. Now a base for General Weizman. We can even take a minute to sit in Jeff Davis is so recently vacated office. In the late afternoon, the US President returns to city point. When Richmond reporter Morris Chester witnessed Lincoln's walk around town his exchange with jubilant freed slaves. Morris writes all of this up in his report for the Philadelphia Press. Quote retirement has never before presented such a spectacle of jubilee what a wonderful change has come over the spirits of southern dreams. Close quote. Why does more tone sound so different from chestnuts. Morris is black. While Lincoln hangs out at city point for few more days. Let's ride West with list grant and the bulk of the army of the Potomac. On April fourth euless gives himself a new mission. Prevent Bobby from getting to North Carolina in hooking up with Joe. Johnston. The blue eyed general rides west from Petersburg to make this happen. Bobby Lee's army of northern. Virginia has been reduced about thirty, five, thousand mental. That's everyone who is manning the lines at Petersburg were on guard duty in Richmond. They don't have enough food. Their animals are worn out. But, these battle hardened toughest nails gray and butternut clad soldiers are determined to get to. North. Carolina. And Bobby has their backs. He has requested at a train full of rations meet his army at Amelia courthouse a small town about forty miles west of Richmond. From here, the confederate army has two good options for joining up with Joe Johnston. One can travel South West Danville checking with Jeff Davis at his new headquarters then move into North Carolina. To they can travel due west to Lynchburg in the Blue Ridge foothills and traveled due south to Danville say hi to Jeff Davis and move into north. Carolina. Second option is longer but still workable. You listen his right hand man Phil. Sheridan. Want to stop me from choosing either option. But it's not the Union army that will put the first roadblock in the rebel armies path. Bobby Lee gets to Amelia Court House he discovers there's been a mix up the war department sent ammo not food to starving men. The Virginia General is pissed can't afford this delay, but he has no choice except to allow his men to forage for Food for few days. The Union Cavalry Under Phil Sheridan take full advantage of this rebel setback. On April, fifth fill in his crew get ahead of the army of Northern Virginia and block the Danville Road. That would be escape option one for Bobby. Lee. Fearless Cavalry Commander Sends Word to Lis-. I wish you were here yourself I feel confident of capturing the army of northern. VIRGINIA IF WE EXERT OURSELVES You list doesn't need more of an invitation than that. He and a dozen or so of his staff hop on horses and ride through the night join Phil. Sure Ulysses is traveling ahead of his headquarters wagons with most of his gear in fresh clothes, but there's an army to capture in a war to win. Bobby, Lee switches the option to. Overnight. He's men begin marching west hoping to get to Lynchburg. But Phil won't let that happen. You Advanced Guards of the Union army travel parallel to the confederates and on the afternoon of April sixth the catch an isolated core of rebel soldiers near Small River called sailor's creek. Fill orders his three corps to attack the rebel supply, wagon, train and soldiers. Within hours, federal troops have taken six thousand. POW's including the confederate general with a spotted record from the battle of Gettysburg, geic you'll. When Bobby Lee hears about this route he exclaims. My God has the army been dissolved. Of course, the indomitable general from Virginia would never let that happen. May? have. Lost nearly a quarter of his men at sailor's creek but he urges the rest of his to keep moving towards. Lynchburg. Yet you list concede that the end is near. On April seventh the cigar smoking general still traveling without fresh clothes or a comfortable tent sends a note to Bobby Lee it reads. The results of the last week must convince you of the hopelessness a future resistance. I feel that it is my duty shift from myself the responsibility of any further fusion of blood by asking you to surrender the army of Northern Virginia. Very respectfully us? Grant. Leeson's a message back and asks what terms the Union General might offer. You get this message in the middle of the night. So he replies early on April. Eighth. Note does not sound like the unconditional surrender grant Vicksburg or Fort Donelson. Piece being my great desire. There's but one condition I would insist upon namely that the men and officers surrendered, she'll be disqualified for taking up arms again against the government of the United, states? When Bobby Lee reads this note he bristles. He's not ready to surrender in only wanted to hear general grant idea on terms. This note sounds like ulysses ready to write up a capitulation agreement right now. which he is. Bobby writes back. To be frank I, do not think the emergency has arisen to call for the surrender of the army. He suggests that the two generals me to discuss peace terms. A political negotiation that you listened knows he has no authority to conduct. This exchanges painstakingly slow since every note has to be delivered by Messenger under a flag of truce. While the gray and blue clad general's communicate via letter, the Army of Northern Virginia keeps moving west. See Bobby. Lee has rations. Yes. Actual food waiting at APPA matic's a rail depot town a few miles east of the safety. LYNCHBURG The Phil Sheridan's cavalry race to cut the rebels off. Approximately seventy five thousand federal soldiers get to APPA Matic's I sees the train depot in railcars, full supplies, and then position themselves on the rail lines. Bobby Lee had hoped to use as an escape route. The army of Northern Virginia only about ten thousand strong due to death capture and desertion is trapped badly outnumbered and has no rations. Nonetheless, they launch at. On? April Ninth Palm Sunday. A few hours of fighting only makes the situation worse as two. Union. Corps. Block at confederate advance while more Yankees threatened the rebel rear. Bobby. Finally admits defeat. The white-bearded general negotiates a temporary battlefield ceasefire, and since one note T- lessees. I therefore request an interview at such time and place as you may designate to discuss the terms of the surrender of this arm in accordance with your off. Ulysses. Accepts without. Question. Clad thoughtfully, and his dress uniform volubly prepares to surrender himself and his army. With a heavy heart, he tells the staff. There is nothing left for me to do. But go and see general grant. I would rather die thousand. That's. You heard about the meeting at Wilmer McLean's house between the commander of federal forces and the commander of all the confederate armies in this episode's opening. Let me jump down to the specifics of the agreement that these two military masterminds reached? I officers and enlisted men will be paroled and sent home. No one's going to jail. No one's facing a treason trial. Second any confederate soldier who owns his horse or mule can take it home with him. Third. All confederate army munitions and guns will be handed over but inning soldier who claims to own his gun can take it home with him and General Robert e Lee will keep his sword. Seems that you following Lincoln's second inaugural address. With malice toward none. He's terms of surrender are very generous. Unconditional surrender grant doesn't even include the words unconditional surrender. while. Ulysses. decamp Ellie Parker makes copies of the agreement Bobby Lee has to humble himself once more. He tells ulysses that his men are starving and had been living off parched corn for days. He badly needs quote both rations and forage close quote. In line with the generous nature of his surrender terms ulysses doesn't withhold food from the now parole rebel soldiers. You promises to deliver three days worth of rations for Bobby lease twenty five men. When you list asks if this will be enough, Bobby Lee replies. I think it will be ample and it will be a great relief. I assure you. As the meeting breaks up y'all Virginia. General keeps his face inscrutable. Bobby Lee has kept himself aloof and as he rides away from the House, the Union officers were staff members watching go without knowing his true feelings. You lists on the other hand looks disheartened. At a moment when many of his men are celebrating and clapping each other's backs in congratulations for a job completed the blue eyed general stays quiet and pensive. Ulysses proves the truth of the hero, the Napoleonic Wars Duke of Wellington's adage quote next to a battle loss. There's no spectacle more melancholy than a battle one. Close quote. When Lincoln by now back in Washington DC, here's the news of Bobby Lee surrender he does not hide his feelings like the southern commander nor does he feel a similar sadness to ulysses? No after leading a nation at war with itself for four years President Lincoln unleashes all of his joy at the conflicts close. Or Secretary Edwin Stanton burst into Lincoln's office and delivers the news. General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia this afternoon. Lincoln unabashedly hugs Edwin. Back it up matic's Bobby Lee returns to his man. He has to tell them that their fight is over. He has surrendered and now in front of these men that he's led for years, the Virginian lets down his guard. Soldiers lined. The road is Bobby Lee rides by and he says to them. Men. We have fought through this war together. I have done the best that I could for you. At this bobbies, voice breaks and the tears start flowing. One soldier. Let's the news of surrender seen. Gin then calls out I love you just as well as ever generally. In the federal camps, soldiers go crazy when they hear the news of Bobby Lee's surrender. No more marching, fighting, camping poor marching. They're going home the blue clad men start firing cannons and Raucous celebrations. But. Their commander you lis- keeps his eye on the solemnity of the occasion. He tells us to keep it together. The war is over the rebels are countrymen again, and the best sign of rejoicing the victory will be to abstain from all demonstrations. To their credit most soldiers follow this order. And three days. Later, they show a hell of a lot of respect for the capitulating confederates. On April Twelfth Army of the Potomac colds, a formal surrender ceremony for the army of Northern Virginia. You. List. Doesn't attend you signs Major General Joshua Chamberlain the hero of little round top at the battle of Gettysburg to receive the surrender. As confederate soldiers stack their guns in hand over their battle flags many of them are tears. Joshua orders his men to treat their countrymen and former foes with respect. Josh describes the scene when confederate General John Gordon, who took over stonewall Jackson's command in his core approach. Quote. Instructions had been given and when the head of each division column comes opposite our group, our bugle sounds the signal and instantly our whole line from right to left regiment by regiment in succession gives the soldier salutation. From the order arms to the old. The marching salute. Borden at the head of the column riding with heavy spirit and downcast face catches the sound of shifting arms looks up and takes the meaning. We'll superbly with profound salutation as he drops the point of his sword to the Bhutto. Then facing to his own command gives word for his excessive brigades to pass us with the same position of the manual. Honor answering honor. Close. Quote. Imagine this. Hundreds of union soldiers stand at attention with their rifles standing at their sides. At the bugles call they all bring their guns up holding the button there. Right hand as the barrel rests against the right shoulder's. Confederate troops return the salute they march up to the collection piles in hand over their weapons to the Yankees. This display of mutual respect between these armies goes a long way toward healing the wounds of the war. A few days later on April eighteenth confederate, General Joe Johnston negotiate the surrender of his once formidable army of Tennessee to union. General William. tecumseh Sherman. The armies of the confederacy are now disbanded, and despite a few minor skirmishes, the civil war is effectively over. But the rising hope of unity reconciliation and a smooth transition to reunion sparked by the generous terms at half matic's in the respectful surrender ceremony a few days later won't last. Maybe that's why we like to remember these events. Speak to what so many wanted and what might have been However before we follow the United States into its post-war phase, let's take a bird's eye view of the conflict answer few lingering questions and talk about some of the fallout from America's civil war. The start with the most tangible aspect of the war, the death toll. I've said it before, but it's worth repeating casualty numbers in the civil war are hard to pin down. You've probably heard estimates ranging from six hundred, twenty, thousand total deaths up to eight, hundred, fifty thousand. That's a huge difference. Let me give as many accurate numbers as I can. Going into the war, the confederacy had a smaller population than the union. Nine million three point five of which were enslaved compared to twenty, two, million, white, and black. The seceded south field over one million man while the Yankees put over two million soldiers in the battle. Of those over three million men and covertly some women at least six, hundred, twenty, thousand died. That's according to James? McPherson. The God of civil war historians. He says three hundred, sixty thousand federals at least two, hundred, sixty, thousand confederates died. Historian Ron Chernow's writing a little more recently puts that figure at seven, hundred, fifty, thousand. If we use McPherson six hundred, twenty thousand. That means at least two point five percent of the entire American population died in the conflict. Let's zoom in a bit. The south smaller population into smaller death toll but not in percentages. Historians estimate that nearly twenty percent of the white male population in the south died during the war. One fifth. That's approaching the death rate. France will suffer during World War One. Will later call those poor souls the lost generation. If these numbers, still don't account for civilian deaths from battles, starvation or disease. Can't give you an accurate count on that front. We also need to address the property damage done to farms, railways, and factories mostly in the south. Some historians claim that many parts of the south will not recover economically from the civil war by the time the Great Depression Hits in Nineteen twenty nine. To quote willing to come Sherman from speech she will give fifteen years after the war. There is many a boy who looks on war as all glory. But boys it is all hell. Now that we've looked at the numbers, let's ask those seemingly answerable questions. Why did the South Lose? And why did the North Win I. Let's look at the south. Many people want to blurt out some basic fact and hope that these will answer the question. You've probably heard people argue that the confederacy had a lot working against it like being outnumbered having less depth of military leadership having controversial President Jefferson Davis at the helm having significant internal strife or not having enough international support. In yes. All of these factors did contribute to the confederacies ultimate demise, but you can make the same arguments about the north. Internal strife, New, York, draft riots, and peace. Democrats lack of military leadership George be little Mac McClellan. Need I say more? Controversial president. Abraham Lincoln, whose own party members tried to oust him in eighteen, sixty four. International support. Only in theory. So. What did cause the demise of the confederacy? Well Civil War historian Gary Gallagher. Has An answer. He. Argues quote the key factor in bringing rebel defeat and this is easy to overlook if you don't deal with military history is the United States armies proved they could go anywhere and do anything they wanted. Wants the confederate civilian population figured that out what alternative to surrender remained Close quote. This argument also helps us understand how the north one. Like I said the twenty two states in the union faced many of the same struggles and setbacks as the confederacy except the population, of course. Some historians argue that the north one because at a few key points, the tide of war swung its way. The first came at the Battle of Antietam, a union victory that made great. Britain think twice about helping the confederacy. The second is the emancipation proclamation which expanded the scope purpose of the war for the north. The third happened at simultaneous union victories of Vicksburg. Gettysburg which gave many northerners boost morale. In the final is the union capture of Atlanta, which enabled Lincoln to win reelection in eighteen, sixty four. These key turning points gave the union. The will twin. With that Yankee armies could go anywhere and do anything as Gallagher said. It's not that the confederacy lost the will to fight and win. They had plenty of that almost be end. It's that the union had momentum on its side at crucial times. If any of these turning points had gone another way you and I might be having a very different conversation today. We may never get a definitive answer on why south lost or how the north. One But I hope these arguments give you somewhere to start as you explore those questions yourself. Now, that I've discussed reasons for the war's outcome, let's spend a minute. A few of its repercussions. Veterans North and south face serious struggles especially, the petit's they had to rely on federal and state pensions, family help and generous friends to make their way in the world. For men whose job was to financially support a family perform quote unquote Manley Labor and be self sufficient their disabling wounds caused daily psychological pain and social. OSTRACISM. This was especially true in the south, and here they didn't even have the bomb a victory to take the sting out of their wounds. Souther Masculinity, even more than in the north hinged on an able bodied man taking care of his wife and children, and if a slave holder controlling his slaves and land. Men who didn't own slaves could still control their domain through sheer physical will but amputees didn't fit this mold anymore. It would take years for southern society to construct a social place for its main veterans but by then many disappeared to the fringes of society. Some veterans. Came home to a hero's welcome. The aftermath of war led to expanded career options especially political careers. Best Example's probably ulysses s grant who had become president of the United States in eighteen, sixty eight. Before. More civil war vets would go on to become president. Rutherford B Hayes James Garfield Benjamin. Harrison and William McKinley. Countless congressmen, governors, mayors, and state reps used their war service to boost their careers. One examples general Joshua Chamberlain he went into the war as a college professor climbed the military ladder through his exploits at Gettysburg and other battles. Then when home to Maine become a four term governor. Besides the effects on a personal level, the war led to an expansion federal government powers. Federal taxes the draft and national banking system and a federal welfare program. The Friedman's bureau became woven into the fabric of the federal government. The were also effectively took the option of secession off the table. Lastly, and this cannot be overstated. The largest repercussion of the war was the end of slavery. As I said an episode sixty eight, there would still be a fight over citizenship voting rights, property rights, and social equality for black Americans, and we'll cover that. But for now in April. Eighteen sixty five slavery no longer has constitutional protection and as a seeded states come back into the union, they'll outlawed as well. Across the civil war, approximately four million slaves gained their freedom, the last slaves to be freed live in Texas. On June nineteenth eighteen sixty five slaves in the lone star state here about the war's end and their emancipation. The Modern Day of remembrance June eighteenth will honor and celebrate this event. And so the confederacy ends. The deeply shaken. Republic of the United, States survives albeit with a long road ahead. The Nation needs to rebuild itself and its society. In a word, it's entered in over a decade long phase known as reconstruction. But. Before America can even catch it's black. 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Unusual tours in Capitol ahead of Trump mob attack prompts investigation

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Unusual tours in Capitol ahead of Trump mob attack prompts investigation

"The show we had nine turn on. Msnbc so he fought in the union army during the civil war. He was wounded at the battle of shiloh. Reportedly his his horse was shot out from under him and he himself was wounded But kept fighting stayed in the war. It was reported to have personally taken at least one confederate soldier prisoner by hauling him bodily off the battlefield by color after the civil war. President ulysses grant named him to be america's secretary of war and then stuff started to go wrong on the relatively meagre salary that came with that cabinet position. William worth belks nap civil war hero distinguish culture secretary for started throwing really really lavish parties in washington and that was true with his first wife. It was also true with his second wife. He was just very obviously living. This ostentatious high-society life of conspicuous consumption in washington. That nobody knew he should be able to afford. Nobody knew where the money was coming from until they figured it out because it turned out where he was getting all the money from is that he was taking bribes. He was taking tens of thousands of dollars in bribes. As secretary of war people who wanted jobs related to the us military of the eighteen seventies Apparently one of the ways you can get one of those jobs was to greece. The palm of war secretary william belks nap and he got caught for it and as a cabinet secretary. He was subject to impeachment by the congress and he got impeached for being that corrupt. They brought five articles of impeachment against him for him prostituting his office for personal profit and the looked like it was going to be a unanimous impeachment. Vote in the house on those five counts but upon figuring out that it was going to be a unanimous impeachment. Vote against him. More secretary. william bulk nap raced bodily to the white house. He reportedly burst into tears upon his arrival and then quickly submitted his resignation to president ulysses s grant. He appears to have thought at the time that if he just resigned quickly enough if he just resigned before the impeachment vote was taken. The house couldn't actually impeach him. That's what he thought he was wrong. Just two hours after. He started crying at the white house and turned in his resignation to president grant. The house went ahead and voted to impeach the war secretary. anyway there were five counts. He was a unanimous. He was impeached even though he was already out of office by then because grant had accepted his resignation now after he was impeached in the house the impeachment articles against this now former official when over to the senate for them to put him on trial and interestingly the senate they did put him on trial but they didn't vote to convict him. A majority of the senators at the time voted to convict him. But you need a full two-thirds vote of the senate and two thirds of the vote. They could not get so out was impeached in the house. He was not convicted in the senate but his experience proved and provided the president that yes impeachment is a remedy to be applied by the congress for a federal office holder and its availability as a remedy does not evaporate once that person leaves office. Now as i mentioned this disgraced more secretary was named william bucknell. Do you know more and underwood. You may remember her. If you are a longtime watcher of the show. She's a newish super charismatic congresswoman from a swing district in in illinois She's a nurse She is this incredibly. winning manner. Did great shoe leather door knocking campaign to win that each unseated republican incumbent to win her district a couple of years ago real rising star in democratic party politics we have had. Lauren underwood On the show a couple of times she super impressive. One of congressmen congresswomen. Underwood's staffers is a woman named endre duck nap. She is many generations. Descendant from the william bulk knapp. Who gives us the historic impeachment precedent from his corrupt time as secretary of war. Today she wrote in usa today about learning in elementary school about her ancestor and his shame. And she had this to say about his legacy. She said quote his civil war heroism has been largely forgotten by history even forgotten by his own family she instead. His impeachment is what remains in the history books. William belknap never served in public office again. That's what impeachment does. And now today we know that times to will be the legacy of president. Donald trump is well. I mean no matter what else he does. These front pages tonight on the country's news websites. Look at that impeached again. Historic disgraced trump brand toxic. The these front pages tonight on on news websites. What we'll see from the print front pages in tomorrow morning's papers. He is the first ever. Us president to be impeached twice for high crimes and misdemeanors committed while in office and it is worth remembering at this moment. That had the republican senate voted to convict him after he was impeached. The first time around he never would have had the chance to commit more high crimes and misdemeanors and office because if they had convicted him at his first impeachment that would have removed him from office but alas they did not convict him remove him from office so he lived to crime again and now this is the history that he has made because they held the gate open for him to do it. Tonight's vote to impeach president. Donald trump was the largest vote ever for a presidential impeachment. There were two hundred thirty two votes four. His impeachment one hundred ninety seven votes against no article of impeachment against the president has ever had that many votes for it before and there have never been anywhere near ten members of the president's own party who voted with the opposition party to impeach a president like there were ten republicans who voted yesterday so you know muzzle tough records falling everywhere now. Having been impeached the president will face trial again in the senate after flirting last night with the possibility of actually moving meaningfully against the president the republican senate leader mitch. Mcconnell now says he will not reconvene the senate until next week so that means no senate trial of president. Trump will start until next week. What's next week. The inauguration of joe biden as the next president of the united states so the senate trial will start essentially around the same time. That biden is starting his presidency. Cana president face impeachment trial in the senate even after he's left office. Ask william bilk nap. He thought his tearful resignation him leaving office. Just ahead of the impeachment would be enough to stop the impeachment proceedings against him. It was not. He set the precedent. And we know that that can proceed. There will be fight about it. Certainly the president will probably bring a lawsuit about it. he likes to bring lawsuits. But it seems that the historic precedent is clear and behavior tells you a little bit of something about where his head is at right now. The president now having been impeached twice appears to be a little rattled appears to be trying to save his own skin from whatever other consequences might derive from his accent actions in the past week. The president with his actions tonight he he may be trying to persuade the senate to somehow try to not go ahead with putting him on trial. He may be trying to persuade. Republican senators to not vote with democratic senators to convict him in that trial. I mean it was reported last night that as many as twenty republican senators would be open to the possibility of voting to convict him. If so that's enough to convict him. I mean it may also be that regardless of impeachment. President trump is concerned about potential criminal liability for the same crime that cited in the articles of impeachment against him today. Incitement to insurrection. That's a serious federal crime in addition to being the thing for which he was impeached for reporter maggie haberman the new york times reporting that president trump has been told by advisers repeatedly that he has potential legal exposure over the violence by his supporters last week which followed a speech in which he repeatedly called on them to fight for him. We're seeing dozens. And dozens were told there will be hundreds and hundreds of arrests and indictments of people for the violence in the capital. What about the president inciting them to do it. Whatever it is that the president is trying to head off. He is clearly now paddling as fast as he can. Tonight reading a prepared script off a teleprompter a new video posted by the white house which he says i want to be very clear. I unequivocally condemn the violence in washington last week. He's trying as hard as he can to seem very clear about that. Now in retrospect because it's very much in his interest for everybody to forget what he actually said that day to set the crowd off and point them at the capitol to go do what they did they rigged election. They rigged it like they've never rigged election before that's what they've done and what they're doing we will never give up. We will never concede it doesn't happen. You concede step. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore. It's a disgrace. It's a disgrace even when you look at last night. They're all running around like chickens with their heads. Cut off with boxes and nobody knows what the hell is going on. There's never been anything like this. We will not let them. Silence your voices. we're not gonna let it happen not going to let it up. We're stuck with the president who lost the election by a lot and we have to live with that for four more years. We're just not going to let that happen. We want to go back and we want to get this right because we're going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed. And we're not going to stand for that and we're gonna have to fight much harder and mike pence is going to have to come through. Forest is up to congress to confront this egregious assault on a democracy and after this. We're going to walk down. And i'll be there with you. We're gonna walk down. We're going to walk down. Anyone you want but i think right here. We're going to walk down to the capital. You're never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength. You have to be strong. We have come to demand that congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully. Slated lawfully slated now. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the capitol building right over there right there. We see the event to take place. And i'm going to be watching because history is going to be made or we will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe over the past several weeks. You will have an illegitimate president. That's what you'll have and we can't let that happen but it's never going to be the end of us. Never let them out. Let let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength. We can't let this happen. We won't have a country of it happens. They want to steal the election. The radical left knows exactly what they're doing they're ruthless and it's time that somebody did something about it. This is the most fraudulent thing anybody to this is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal. Enterprise fraud breaks up everything. Doesn't it when you catch somebody in a fraud. You're allowed to go by very different rules. Most corrupt election in the history of the world. You'd better do it before we have no country. Today is not the end. It's just the beginning if we allow this group of people to illegally take over a country because it's illegal when the votes are illegal. Something's wrong here. Something's really wrong. Can't have happened and we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell you're not gonna have a country anymore so we're going to. We're going to walk down. Pennsylvania avenue and we're going to the capital. Let's walk down pennsylvania avenue. I wanna thank you all. God bless you and god bless america and so they went to the capital to fight like hell trump just like. He told them if they didn't fight. They lose their country needed to fight much harder. He said history would be made in that capital when they went if he did what they told them to do. At that capital to make the congress not count the votes from the election to demand it. They had to fight like hell did and so now. He is impeached for a second time. Now say. I don't condone anything. That happened there. I wanna make it very very clear. There are fast evolving questions as to whether or not some members of congress may also face repercussions for the ways in which they may have incited and even potentially assisted in the attack on the capital. We're going to speak in just a moment with us. Congresswoman and navy veteran mikey cheryl. She's the member of congress who has now demanded an investigation by capitol hill police and security. Into why some members of congress appeared on january fifth the day before the attack to give access to the capital for what appeared to be recon tours reconnaissance tours around the capital by people who appeared to be in town for the following day's rally which of course turned in to the violent and murderous capital seach congresswoman. Mikey cheryl's going to be joining us. Live in just a moment as we start to realize that the next phase of this may be trying to root out and potentially expel potentially prosecute members of congress who were part of the insurrection effort. It's just astonishing place to be but for now the focus remains on the president who is now twice. Impeached is week. Left in office is now making these public statements trying to unlike the match that he used to set that fire last week in the hopes that that's the sort of tape that will play when we think about him in this incident instead of what actually happened that day and in the days leading up to it from him one of the ten republican members of congress voted to impeach the president today congresswoman jaime herrera bueller in her statement about why she was going to vote to impeach as a republican. She actually did something. I think very helpful today. She put the spotlight back on something that i think has received nearly enough attention congresswoman butler said this in her statement. She said quote the violent mob bludgeon-death capital police officer. They defaced symbols of our freedom. These terrorist roamed the capital hunting. The vice president and the speaker of the house hours went by before the president did anything meaningful to stop the attack. And then she says this quote instead he and his lawyer were busy making calls to senators who were still in lockdown seeking their support to further delay the electoral college certification. This is true and good on that republican congresswoman for putting a spotlight on it in her statement explaining her. Yes vote for impeachment today because as much as the president is now pretending that he was shocked. Shocked and quite surprised. And oh my goodness about the violent attack by his supporters on the capital after he pointed at the capitol and said go get it. We actually know some of what the president did in the hours after the capital was attacked. And all those people were killed. We know it in part because rudy giuliani the parrot. The president's lawyer apparently doesn't know how to dial a phone at seven pm on the night of the capital attack so the capital tax started roughly around two o'clock to roughly five years into that violent mob. Scene rudy giuliani. that night. Left a voicemail on a senators cell phone. He was apparently trying to reach senator. Tommy tucker from alabama but he accidentally called a different senator who then gave a copy of the recording to the dispatch which is why we can hear it now because of their reporting again. This was the president's lawyer. Five hours after the capital was breached. This is before. Even the capitol police given the all-clear in the capitol building seven pm that same night. The night of the attack senator coupable or actually say cody on president's lawyer kalyan because i want to discuss with you how lying a russia's hearing and how we need you our republican friends. Try to slow downtown. No they re they re Convenient at eight tonight. But the only strategy we could follow is to object to numerous stage. So if you could object every state and home the congressman getting hearings. Let me state. I know we would delay you a lot if you object to. Every state people lay dead at this point right big swan so the capital lay wrecked and ransacked dozens of police officers being hospitalized. Here's the president's lawyer calling as the president's lawyer re juliani concerned citizens like i'm calling as the president's lawyer telling republican senators even that night in the downdraft of the violence. Hey you need to block. Every state you need to object to every state's electoral votes being counted. We need you to do what. The rioters were demanding. We need you to do what they were demanding. We need you to stop the votes being counted for biden. Do it tonight. This isn't done. They're not done they're not done. It's not like the attack on the capital. And all these people dead and everything that they have seen wrought by their words in their incitement. It's not like this has made them like and rule and now they're trying just to save their own skin now from the repercussions of what they did from the consequences and accountability for what they did. I mean here's the president. Oh i was. This thing did nothing to do with me. I'm so i'm better now. Look i'll be good. I'm totally against this kind of thing. Even after the attack on the capital. He's got his lawyer calling senator saying. Stop the count. Stop the count. Let's do with the writers one. Don't let biden be certified the winner of the election and the president's lawyer did it. President is reportedly going to use rudy giuliani as his defense counsel when the senate impeachment trial starts whenever that is so you can imagine what the content will be of the president's defense in his impeachment trial. Perhaps they'll try to have the venues shifted to a nearby landscaping company. So they can better showcase the cunanan. Shame in affidavits about the big stolen election right. Republican senate leader mitch. Mcconnell is not saying how he will vote himself on whether or not to convict the president in the senate trial if enough republicans do vote to convict the president even in a senate trial that starts once. He's already gone from office. The effect of convicting the president would obviously not be to remove him from office. He would already be gone by that point but it would laid the groundwork for him being banned for life from holding public office they could hold a subsequent vote that would only need fifty one votes to pass that would ban the president for life from holding public office. There's precedent for that for previous impeachments. They could also deny him. Things like a presidential pension and the other perks of post-presidential life if they want to and the and those are things president trump is probably quite interested. in having. He's kind of guy. So senator mcconnell now holding out the possibility that he and by extension other republicans might vote to convict the president when his senate trial starts next week. You know maybe that will have the effect of keeping the president on his best behavior for the next week into the inauguration. Maybe he'll keep just making prepared statements written by other people that say things plainly doesn't mean also he can try to keep his perks and keep the fantasy alive of running again but honestly nobody thinks the president's best behavior is sustainable even for a week even if he tries and so what. We expect for the inauguration. What do we expect for the week. Leading up to the inauguration now in the days after twenty thousand national guard troops protecting the capital right now as we speak may go up to thirty thousand. Saw them laying down today basically bivouacking inside the capitol rusting there because they can stunning stunning to see. This isn't wartime. Except to the extent that the president and his private army are waging war in the us government political reports. Tonight that national guard units have been told to prepare for trump supporters using bombs using an attack either leading up to or at or shortly after the inaugural the secret service today a bulletin obtained by the daily beast and then by politico secret services. Warning that the next potential armed attacked by trump supporters may be this weekend in washington that's in addition to the warnings. They've given nationwide about armed trump mob attacks on all state capitals. This weekend. We got a week with him. Still there now twice. Impeached disgrace and then trial of him to start the next presidency. What a catastrophe. This has been from day one and now right through this bloody bloody and what a catastrophe. Hi everyone steve kornacki here. You may remember hosted an nbc news. Podcast gold article two inside impeachment. Follow the developments of president. Donald trump's first impeachment last winter the article. Two podcast is back with a special episode bringing you the latest on the second impeachment of donald trump joined by nbc. News capitol hill correspondent. Leeann caldwell who was in the capital on the day of the riots to break down the house vote and what a senate trial could look like search for article two inside impeachment wherever you're listening right now. To subscribe for free way are not here. The curse the darkness candle. I'm chuck rosenberg on my podcast. The oath i talk with people who served with integrity and honor men and women who liked the way this week former. Fbi assistant director. Frank figliuzzi if you're all about harsh rigorous aggressive aggressive rules enforcement. You're not going to last very long as an organization because people will hate you for it. Your system won't have credibility. They won't report misconduct and they won't cooperate with the core values. You're trying to maintain so with any disciplinary system with any attempt in your family. Your team your community. Your company to enforce compliance enforce regulations and values. You'd better have compassion along with consequences. Join me for season for the oath and msnbc podcasts. Search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and subscribe new episodes every wednesday today. The outgoing president became the first president in history to be impeached twice. Now we are getting the first reaction to that from the incoming president elect this statement just released from president. Elect joe biden. It says quote last week. We saw an unprecedented assault. on our democracy. It was unlike anything we have witnessed in the two hundred and forty four year history of our nation a violent attack on the us capitol itself on the people's representatives on police officers who every day risk their lives to protect them and on fellow citizens who service public servants in that citadel of liberty this criminal attack he says was planned and coordinated. It was carried out by political extremists and domestic terrorists who were incited to this violence by president. Trump was an armed insurrection against the us against the united states and those responsible must be held accountable today. The members of the house exercise the power granted to them under our constitution and voted to impeach. And hold the president accountable. It was a bipartisan. Vote cast by members followed the constitution and their conscience. The process continues now to the senate. He says quote. This nation also remains in the grip of a deadly virus and a reeling economy. I hope the senate leadership will find a way to deal with their constitutional responsibilities impeachment while also working on the other urgent business nation the process continues to the senate joe biden then goes onto essentially call on the senate to do their duty in terms of trump senate trial while also pushing forward on the confirmations to set up the new government and the vaccine program and what biden calls the the urgent work to be done that will affect millions of american lives. It's a tall order even in the best of times and these are not the best of times joining us. Now is senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. He served on the judiciary committee and the veterans affairs committee. Sir thanks for your time tonight. It's nice for you to be here. Thank you very much avenue. grateful senator. You called on senator mcconnell to bring the senate back into session immediately in order to start a senate trial immediately. Senator mcconnell saying today that he's not going to do that. What should we expect in terms of what's going to happen now with the president's impeachment and the senate trial what i believe should happen is that your should be the beginning of trial right. After the inaugural weekend do both meet your needs concrete conquer and revived the time. But at the same time. Blue you our constitutional duty to make sure event. There is accountability. That's the core principle of impeachment and not only oke nap but also federal judges have been held accountable after they sought to either run out the clock while it's baid accountability by resigning and there should be no question about the legacy of donald trump. The trial must though or would end. We can divide our time between the urgent needs that the biden administration will help to me. And also our constitutional duties. Senator should be on the lookout for procedural shenanigans by which. I don't mean like little tricks with the rules by which i mean The republicans soon to be minority in the senate Some mcconnell and his caucus somehow trying to use the impeachment trial process in a way that is meant to hamstring the biden administration or that is meant to otherwise sort of turn things to their advantage. I think a lot of people after all these years watching mitch. Mcconnell at work don't really believe that he's truly undecided about whether or not he's going to vote to convict. They're worried that he might be may be trying to put other cards up his sleeve. Here we should be concerned about those kinds of procedural shangen shenanigans given mitch mcconnell's history. Because all he cares about is retaining his power and majority he now lacks but that because agenda the thought could make obama one term president and be obstructed democratic than likely again on impeachment. There is a limit to how much procedural shenanigans there can be particularly since this trial is really pretty open and shut what you played. From the president's speech at the ellipse the tweets that he issued before that rally of domestic terrorists and an arm. Bob and what he said afterward no conviction. No policy no regrets. No remorse certainly is evidence of guilty intent and is active incitement of an attempt to throw a lawful election. It's not just the by people who are dead or the injuries which make it so serious. But the attempt to stop the vote from going forward rudy giuliani's call was hard of that effort. A conspiracy involving many more so there are others who likely fear criminal prosecutions and they may be engaged in procedural genetic but the trial is simple straightforward can go forward in a very short time giving him due process but a prompt conclusion. Senator richard blumenthal of the great state of connecticut on the judiciary committee. So he knows what he speaks on. These things are. Thanks for being here on such a such a big night historic night as i mentioned at the top of the show Another lawmaker we're gonna spa. Speaking to tonight is congressman maki cheryl. She says that some of her colleagues republican members of congress may have helped visitors get into the capitol the day before the attack for which she describes as essentially reconnaissance missions casing the joint before it was breached and attacked the following day congresswoman cheryl joins us live on that matter next. Hey everyone it's chris. As you know these days i find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader. Look at the issues. I haven't had time to cover my tv. Show all in everything from the legacy of racism in america to how community and creativity can flourish minster. Pandemic i do each week on my podcast. Why is this happening. And i'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like pulitzer prize winning reporter nicole. Hannah jones progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred years of black people being in this country the time for marking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author rebecca solnit. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways and many others. Who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world. I really enjoy our conversations. I hope you will join me for new episodes. Every tuesday just search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe and all the open questions that remain after wednesday's violent attack on the capital this violent attack on congress just one unnerving allegation that continues to be raised by members of congress themselves. It's the idea that. The attackers last week seemed prepared. That they not just had a plan or an idea of what they wanted to do but perhaps that they had some kind of inside assistance to help them coordinate the attack and to help them choose and find their targets once they were inside the capitol building the inside of the us capitol. Complex is a big labyrinth-like confusing multi-layered thing. I have been inside the capitol building a few dozen times. I have never not been lost on any single one of those trips congresswoman. Val demings said today. Even members of congress get lost inside the capitol all the time. Is it then in an environment like that. According to lawmakers who were there for the attack that a large number of the rioters appeared to know where they were going. Once they've broken side will interesting development on that point congresswoman. Mikey cheryl is to term member of congress from new jersey. She's a veteran. She's a former helicopter pilot in the united states navy and now the congresswoman says she saw something the day before the riots that disturbed her at the time and it could end up being important and trying to answer that upsetting question. Not only do. I intend to see that. The president is removed and never run for office again and doesn't have access to classified material. I also intend to see that. Those members of congress whom abetted him this members of congress who had groups coming through the capital that i saw in january fifth reconnaissance for the next day. I'm going to see that. They're held accountable and if necessary ensure that they got certain. Congress january fifth reconnaissance for the next day. So let's just pause for second what congresswoman cheryl is saying. There is that the day before the attack january fifth. She saw other members of congress giving groups of people access to the us capital. This is at a time when all us capitol tours are closed. There aren't any of those there haven't been since march because of covert but somehow the day before the attack. Republican members of congress are letting lots of people in to access the capital to show the morale and help them orient themselves to the place she did not say who the groups were or which members of congress gave them this access but she did call it a reconnaissance for the attack the next day. Today congressman cheryl elaborated on that allegation in a letter. She sent to the house and senate sergeant at arms as well as that head of the capitol police. It signed by more than thirty members of congress who are backing up with the congressman says. She saw the day before the riots. They write quote many of the members who signed this letter as well as various members of our staff witnessed an extremely high number of outside groups in the capitol complex on tuesday january fifth the day before the insurrection attempt lawmakers say these tours immediately aroused suspicion because they were a noticeable and concerning departure from the cova restrictions around capitol tours. It was so concerning that they immediately that day. The fifth reported those tours reported their concerns about them to the sergeant at arms again the day before the attack and just like harveson charles said in that video the signatories on this letter drawing a bright line between the groups given access to the capitol members of congress on tuesday and the people who attacked the building. The next day they say quote the visitors encountered by some of the members of congress on this letter appeared to be associated with the rally at the white house the following day given the events of january six the ties between these groups inside the capitol complex the attacks on the capital need to be investigated joining us now is congresswoman mike cheryl democrat of new jersey congresswoman. Show thank you so much for being here. I know that a lot of people wanna talk to you about this. I really appreciate you making time to be here. Thanks so much for having joe let me just ask if i've summarized things well Can correct me if i said was wrong. Just describe describe for us if you can what you and your colleagues staff saw the day before the attack that raise these alarm bells for you. Sure no i think you provided quite a good summary of those events and tell you. I'm a former navy helicopter pilot. I served for almost ten years and so at every duty station. Whether it was a norfolk or manama by rain. Every overseas place. I was and i would enter as a military member. We would receive a security and that's a pretty brief look for things that were out of place. Look for things that were odd and look at them with an eye toward security and so if somebody was loitering around my helicopter on the tarmac that would be questionable to me for example and so i arrived in the capital of the six and i was very secure. I was very concerned about The violent crowds violent extremist groups. That were coming to the capital for the the mobs on the six called there by the president and i told my staff not to come in day to work remotely not to be anywhere near the hill and i was really shocked when i got into the the house office building and saw these groups inside and what was so shocking is is as you brought. You know as you mentioned. Visitors aren't allowed in the capitol complex since march. Since the start of cova that has been shut down. All tourists are shut down. That was true in the last congress and was Reiterated january third in the new congress that there would be notorious allowed even tours given by members and so the only reason you'd have a visitor is on official business so to see these groups around the capitol complex was really striking and given what we know the next day of what happened. It's really shocking that those ties were made and it was so odd to see them. That my chief of staff called the sergeant at arms to save what is going on and he reiterated the only way these people could have gotten into the capital conflicts was with a member or that member's staff and we now know that those violent groups that attacked the capital complex at inside knowledge of the capitol grounds. Do you know which members of congress or which congressional staff members allowed these groups into the capital and we're showing them around. I know that you haven't talked publicly about that yet but do do you. Do you know that information. You conveyed that information to for example. The house sergeant at arms. Rachel is you show. We have asked other members over thirty other members of aspirin investigation. That investigation has has started. And is now ongoing. So i'm not talking about exactly the people that i saw that i will be conveying that to them however make no mistake the only way that these people these groups could have gotten into the complex is if another member of congress or their staff watch them in and that was reiterated by the started at arc's on january fifth it is so disturbing to think about members of congress facilitating the breaching of the capitol building facilitating an attack not just on the capitol building but on congress. The attack was obviously time to coincide with a joint session of congress every member of house every member of the senate. They're out wants doing the people's business carrying out a constitutional responsibility. That attack was meant to menace the four hundred. Some odd of you who hold this job very disturbing to think that one of your colleagues could facilitated it and helped the mob do what they did if that possibility is borne out by the investigation. That you're asking for what's the right remedy. What's the right punishment for that retail. I was in the chamber. As the violent mobs were attacking. I was flat on the ground as other members were calling loved ones because they thought that might be the last film call. They need to imagine that colleagues of my could have aided and abetted. This is incredibly offensive and there is simply no way that they can be allowed to continue to serve in congress to attack other members of congress to incite an attack on other members of congress and to do so as. We're doing our constitutional duty to certify the elections. Something that every member of congress should have really held sacred an oath. They took to the constitution to perform that. They won't have to be kicked out of congress that is found to be true congresswoman. Mikey shirl democrat of new jersey. Us navy veteran Thank you for your service both in congress and in the in the military. And thanks for your time this evening. It's always an honor to serve. And thanks so much for having me rachel. Thank you all right. We'll be right back. Stay with us of fear based decision. I am not choosing aside. I'm choosing truth. It's the only way to defeat. Fear just over a year ago. I stood right there where you're standing today. As we took the solemn step of impeaching the president of the united states for pressuring a foreign leader to take unlawful actions to help him in his reelection and now just one week ago almost to the hour. I laid right there on the floor of the gallery above us. I heard gunshots in the speakers lobby. I heard the mob pounding on the door. This man is dangerous. He has defied the constitution. He's incited sedition and he must be removed for some members of congress explaining their votes today to impeach the president democrats and republicans for some of them including congresswoman diana to get of colorado. Who you heard there at the end. today was actually just one part of her role in the impeachment this president congresswoman diana gets work. Here is really just starting. She's is going to be an impeachment floor manager in the us senate. She will be arguing the case for convicting this president at his senate trial whenever that may be joining us now is congresswoman diane get the great state of colorado congress to get a real pleasure to have you here tonight. Thank you so much to see. Rachel so your remarks today on the floor. I thought were remarkable. There's a lot of remarkable speeches today on the floor and of course today is history in so many ways. How are you preparing. And how are you feeling about the prospect of making the case for this president's conviction at his senate trial well we met the impeachment. Managers met today for the first time after the vote and started planning our case. We're gonna make in the senate. I tried cases for about fifteen years. Rachel and i will tell you that this is a pretty pretty clear case. You have the president telling everybody come to washington then you have him getting them out together for big rally and then you haven't telling him to march up to the house and to stop the legal counting of the ballots and so This is what the patriot managers. This is the case that we'll be presenting a case for for what the president did obviously tan republicans and democrats thought. It was a high crime and misdemeanor. I can't think of a more clerk ace. So we're potting. Now how we're going to present our case in the senate in the clearest way possible way i mean donald trump's the first president to abandon impeach twice but that's not enough. He needs to be convicted. The president was interesting. Didn't seem to mouth. The white house didn't seem to mount any sort of defense today against his impeachment in the house. We assume that with at least a week to prepare for his senate trial that they will prepare some sort of defense for him. Does it affect your approach or will it affect the way that the trial is structured. That he almost certainly will be out of office by the time. The trial starts right. I know there's been some legal arguments about that. It seems to me. There's clear precedent for impeachments happening for for office holders. Who have already left office but does that affect things in terms of how you're gonna do this. I mean not. At this point we still have to present our case to the senate and we still have to get two thirds vote in the senate for impeachment and so it's really up to the speaker right now when she decides to send the article of impeachment over to the senate but we still need to prepare our case we need to be prepared to try to present it to the senate and we will do that. We'll be ready whether we go over there on tomorrow or whether we go over there next week or whatever they decide. There's been some intriguing reporting. I think in some cases probably deliberately intriguing reporting that the senate republican leader mitch. Mcconnell is an undecided vote as to whether he will vote to convict or not There's also been some reporting in the new york times that as many as twenty republican senators or at least open to the prospect of a conviction. I felt like what happened in the first impeachment trial for president. Trump was that the managers from the house essentially knew they weren't gonna get probably any republican votes. They ended up. Getting one from senator romney but they sort of knew that it really that conviction wasn't a real possibility. You and your fellow managers are going to be heading over there with conviction being a real possibility. Are there ex partake negotiations. That happened between the house and senate between the two parties when it seems like a conviction might really happen. Well i think. I mean there may be x. partake communications but i think you're right. This was so egregious and it was all on tv in real time. You had the president talent telling everybody march up to the hill. Stop this counting. You had the people saying we're coming up here to stop the counting. And by the way we want to find sticker closing we wanna hang vice president pants so that the facts are so appalling and so clear. I think that's why. Twenty p twenty senators are saying they really may consider convicting. We need seventeen bucks to convict and so After the two democrats from georgia are sworn-in and so so we are going up there with the intention of obtaining a conviction which would make donald trump not just the first president to be impeached twice which he is but the first president to be convicted congresswoman. Get who will serve as an impeachment manager and the president's trial in the senate congressman. Good luck to you and your colleagues. This is a difficult job difficult time for the country. Thanks for your service. thanks for being here. No rachel thank you very much indeed. We'll be right back. You are an american who lived through a president being impeached twice in one term at the at the beginning of your civic consciousness. Did you ever think it was possible. 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69: Human Hacker

Darknet Diaries

1:06:59 hr | 10 months ago

69: Human Hacker

"Before. We really have the term. Social Engineer people used to just say con artist, because what a con game is is where you gain someone's trust and then defraud them. Social Engineers Gain People's trust in order to trick them. Same thing and one of my favorite con artists was George C Parker. He made a living off of selling things he didn't own. You lived in New York City in the early nineteen hundreds a lot of immigrants. We're moving into the city and he wanted to take advantage of their. Their lack of knowledge about the city grant's tomb was built in eighteen, ninety seven, which is the final resting place for Ulysses s grant. It's right in Manhattan, and it's an extraordinary monument. You can even go inside and look at the casket. It's a popular tourist attraction George C. Parker saw so many people coming to seek grant's tomb. He wanted to somehow make money off this, and not by selling popcorn or hotdogs or flowers know Georgia's idea was to sell grants to itself even though he didn't own it. He got to work drafting up fake documents, which showed he was the grandson of Ulysses Grant, and then he rented an office to look like a legal place where you can make such a transaction. And then he went around town, looking for victims. There's a lot of people walking around in new. York City stopping for shoe shines grabbing the paper. It's easy to strike up conversations with anyone George found someone interested in buying grant's tomb. George documents, which looked like he was the owner, and he told the victim that you could make a lot of money off this place. If you would just charge people to come, take a look at the casket. And so he made the deal. He sold grant's tomb to someone even though he didn't own it in the following decades. George C Parker went on to sell dozens of other landmarks in New York City. He sold the rights to plays and operas. He sold Madison. Square Garden to someone wants. He sold the Metropolitan Museum of art once and the Statue of Liberty, but my favorite thing that he sold was the Brooklyn Bridge itself. He would tell people that they can set up a toll booth on the Brooklyn Bridge and make a lot of money from all the cars passing by this was such a great Khan game that George Sometimes sold the Brooklyn Bridge twice a week. And the city would often have to come out and stop victims from erecting toll booths on the bridge. That's where we get the term. If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you. A. These are true stories from the dark side of the Internet. I'm Jack reciter. This is dark net diaries. Sodas brought to you by thinks canary. Most companies find out way too late that they've been breached things. Canary Fixes this problem. 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Can we start out with who you are and what you do? Sure. kind of a loaded question, so Chris had nagy and. Primarily, on the CEO or my fun title is chief human. Hacker of social engineer LLC but I also run social engineer dot org, which is a free resource for social engineers or people interested in the topic where they can educate themselves and learn about things like stories, and and the science behind it, and then I also run a nonprofit called the innocent lies foundation. How did you get into social engineering? That's fun so I was working in the industry, but doing vulnerability assessments, so I wanNA. Say like maybe many of US started off that way, but I'm not sure, but yeah. Back in the day just kind of doing what I would say very light security and understanding, light security, and then doing volunteer assessments, and then I took a course. called pen testing with backtrack at the time before it was Kelly and and got addicted to to pen testing an ended up spending way more time than was healthy inside their labs, and cracked a server, the head and mccracken at the time and got a job offer from to work with them osh manager. And through that process of working with them, and and learning about real pen testing and how to do it, I found that my natural. In the field was people talking to people and learning how to to influence them so I, started to write a framework on social engineering. That's what the. Engineer, dot, Org site is basically based on his that framework and that framework came out. I got a book offer to write my first book, which no one should read and from there. My company was started, and now we're here eleven years later. Over a decade ago, Chris set up the website. Social Dash Engineer Dot Org and there he started writing a framework to do social engineering, which is a guide. If you will on how to do it, he wrote a code of ethics. He defined a bunch of terms. The outlines many of the different methods and attacks, and it came about because I. wanted to understand social engineering from like. Like a scientific and artistic level and the way I went about it was kind of looked at my bookshelf and said I read this book because I wanted to understand ex, you know so like. Let's say influence so I. I want to understand influence, so I bought Robert. Chow Dean's book and I read it and I studied it and then. I took principles from that and tried. Tried them on a fishing email or tried them. We were breaking into a building, so I would write that down and I went through my bookshelf and just kind of outlined. These are the skills are used. These are the places I learned them and here's how what I took away from those lessons, and through that took about nine or ten months that formulated the social engineering framework. Framework that is still alive on the on the site. Today's been updates before since that time, but took about a year to do, and it came out right around two thousand and nine. Yeah, so Chris here. Chief Human Hacker has literally written the book on Social Engineering Actually Three of them at this point, but back in two thousand ten on top of the framework. He was writing. Also writing newsletters on social engineering and putting out a podcast about it, and then a company. Start calling because they're reading this. They see it there again. It's the first time anyone's ever defined it. And, they're saying hey, would you come and test our company? Would you come in and you know pen test us or you come fish us and tell us how we did. And I was like yeah, sure we would try that and again at the time this time in history. There was no companies doing this, so it was what what do we charge them? How do we make a business? You know we were trying to figure it out all as we went and that's what started my company at that time, which is about two thousand ten eleven time. as when I started when I separated, inform, my own company focused strictly on on on social engineering. So you're aware of what a phishing email is right an email design to get you to click a Lincoln there which will harm you somehow whether it will get you to download malware or scam, you or whatever? And, when Chris gets a call to do phishing campaign against the company, he gives them two options. You have the security awareness fishing, and then you have pen tests, fishing, right security awareness fishing. The goal is education at the end, so those are usually done company wide like everybody. No matter if there's thousand people are hundred thousand people. They're done every month. and the goal is to get into. Click a link that then brings them to an educational page because our our end goal with that kind of fishing is teach them how to catch it and how to report it properly. but in pen tests fishing the goal is much different. pen test fishing. Our goal is to steal credentials to in install an implant to get a Trojan or malware on the machine, somehow to compromise the network or the people for for the pen tests that we're doing now I've worked with. Hundreds of clients as a security engineer. Myself and boy let me tell you. None of them were interested in me doing phishing attacks on their employees. In fact, my own company that I was working for wouldn't even let me do fishing tests on our own employees, so it's just rare for companies today to try to fish their employees. But it was extra rare to see companies doing this. In two thousand and ten, I got called by a really large financial institution, and they said we've been doing seo internally for a while, and we use your framework now. Would you be willing to work with US and actually testing are people and for me? It was shock like you. I had the same experience. We would do a pen test for a client and I would say to them. Hey, can we send some phishing emails and they're like Nah. We don't really care about that and I. I would offer them for free. I. Would say let me send five for free. If you like what you see, we could talk about more. You know on pay, and then they'd like okay. Yeah, you can send a few and they would always work and they'd don't want to pay for them. They just weren't too good, and it's like, but that's why we should do it. You know so you right? I was hitting this roadblock where companies didn't want to do it, but then this large financial institution says let's do this and all of a sudden. full-bore doing se testing and fishing, and all this other work in a major company that's global, and that word spread, and soon as that happened we other companies started saying well. If you're working then, maybe we should consider that, and that is when we were sitting back. Saying okay I don't even know how the heck do we charge for this stuff? Where do you come up with? Pricing, how do you figure out what a service should look like? Since there was no, there was no go to glass door and figure out what a typical social engineer makes you know. It was just figuring it out as we went, and then you're right. It's a struggle. I five years I. It was like pulling teeth. You would approach companies and they'd be like. Why do I need this? And it was a lot of education, and then as media started picking up stories of phishing attacks and phishing attacks and social engineering personalisation attacks. As media covered those more and more, it got to the point where people companies sea levels were hearing these stories and going. Wow, this is a problem and that's when it became easier to now sell those services like it is today where most companies know, they need social engineering services, but you know of course. As it wasn't before. There's a lot more competition, so it's like every other industry. Now they have to pick and choose who they deal with. So Chris sometimes gets caught to send everyone in the company phishing emails, and the goal is to give the employees education and awareness of this kind of attack so for us. It's we we. We let allies when I call. Level is the fish, so we have like three different tiers, so let's say it's the same fish right. Right now one of the big things that's going around in the real world is since everyone's working from home. It's a new work at home policies right so if you're working from home, here's some policies. You need to read so a fish like that. Let's say with a really basic level is number one. It might only It might look like it's just coming randomly to you. It's not personalized. It's not branded know, and it has even some spelling grammar. level to might come to you and and it. It's not personalized, but it's there's no errors in it. It looks a little more realistic and then a level three looks like it's coming from your HR department. And all of these are are geared to teach the employees, two things one is. Can they catch the fish, so we're recording a lot of data? Did they report it properly if they called it, and if not when they clicked it, did they go to? The landing page was given to them and read the information which. insecurity awareness. A lot of people love to push like ten fifteen, twenty. CBS's CBT's are computer based training like your typical security awareness training. You might get Outta company and those aren't great i. mean those are those have a use at purpose, but they're not great for what we're. You know what we're talking about here. You WanNa give someone some information? They can digest and sixty to ninety seconds, so it should be a hey, you click on fish. Here's how you could've caught it and please report it to this address, and we find that that kind of security awareness fishing program helps keep the idea fishing people's minds, and they're more much more aware about all fish throughout the month. And this kind of training works amazingly well. It really sticks with the employees who did click the link and got fish that sixty seconds were. They learned that they clicked on the militias. Link is a powerful moment. Their online awareness and digital hygiene instantly leveled up when we've had clients that use a level is approach that do it consistently, so these are the things right. You have to have a level as approach. Do it consistently. and and and have messaging. That isn't damaging. What do I mean by that right? Everyone's afraid of covid nineteen right now. So if we start fishing with like, let's say a fish that says find out who in the office was. Diagnosed with covid nineteenth. Everyone's going to click that and when they find out, it's a test. They're gonNa feel hurt especially if someone lost a family member. let's say someone had family member die because of the virus. A now they find out you use that virus part of education. You'RE GONNA. Feel really hurt and you've taken away the ability to educate them. So your program has to be level is consistent regular, and also at not step over that moral line and when you do that, we've. Probably the. The the case I love to use the most his We fished the client we had with for five years, and after three years of consistently fishing them, they had a seventy eight percent reduction. In actual malware on their network so actual M-. Our related cases on their network reduced by seventy eight percent, because people were catching fish reporting problems without clicking them so that that's a huge win when you think about doing it right pretty impressive conducting campaigns on everyone in the company as part of your security awareness training seems like a no brainer in terms of how it helps improve the security of a company because a ton of malware enters accompanied by people clicking phishing emails. It's crazy. These are still effective today, even though most people know about phishing. phishing attacks and been told over and over not to click on suspicious links, and you know what I've seen. Some companies do where I used to work. They used to give a bonus to employees who could demonstrate healthy behaviors like if you didn't smoke and you went to the doctor for preventative care and did regular exercise, they would incentivize you. You extra five hundred dollars a year as a health bonus, but some companies take this a step further and incentivize people demonstrating proper security hygiene like if you're tested with phishing emails every month and pass and then have. Two factor authentication properly, and then you use a password manager and your virus free for a year you might get a digital health bonus, too, because some companies can really save money by incentivizing their employees to be more vigilant insecure, which results in less infections company-wide, because the overall benefit to security outweighs the cost. But enough about security awareness training I. Want to hear the story about when Chris had the do a penetration tests on a client, so I had just hired Ryan. He's my coo. Now and him, and I were just working together was literally. Our one of our first jobs together going back a couple years now and We were hired to go break into a couple banks in the country of Jamaica. And this is an interesting one because it's. It's my first time breaking into banks in a foreign country We didn't know what to expect you know in in doing the job like is like what was when we arrive where they're going to be armed where they're not going to be armed. How hostile would they be? Their task was to get into the bank in the middle of the day. Really this was to see if they could get past security and into the inner areas of the bank because this bank wasn't really were customers. Come in typically. So to foreigners, just walking in off the street with no business, being in there should not be able to get in this building. Security should stop them at the front door, but if they get in the doors to every secure area in the building should be locked, so we are one of our jobs was that we had to put a USB key into random computers and and. And and hacked the network, so we had to have like different pieces of software malware on the USB keys that would allow us to to show them that we could have. We weren't allowed to steal anything or get into sensitive parts of the bank, but if we were to gain access to the network, they wanted us to prove that we would have been able to destroy them. If if we gained access to that parts so that they want us to have software and tools with us that can prove those parts while recording also, so we can show them. What what it is that we were doing on top of that. They were told to report any security issues. They found along the way, so the objective is set time to get to work. So we had done a lot of oh sent, and we found that the bank was undergoing an audit from an American company. Okay Oh saint is open source intelligence gathering, which is where you in public areas online for private information about a company. Kristen and say how he did it, but here's how I would start I go to the companies linked in profile. This typically lists a bunch of employees who worked for that company from there. You might see employee's posting stuff. Right on linked in like it's time again. Can you believe it? But if no clues like that, show up, you can take this a step further. You take the names of the employees that are on Lincoln and then try to find their facebook profiles to see what they're posting there and look through all of that. And if nothing is there and take it another step further. Try to take the name and see if you can find their read it profile or their stack overflow, name, or some twitter name, or something else that you can go and scour those posts then. and You keep pivoting around and eventually you'll find someone somewhere posting something that they shouldn't be posting. In this case, Kris found people posting information about network audit being conducted by an American company on this Jamaican Bank specifically, it was a PC I on it, which stands for payment card industry, basically, if any business wants to process credit cards, they need to pass a yearly. Audit, since Chris and Ryan are both from the US and understands the INS and outs of. This would be a perfect cover or pretext. They were GONNA. Pretend to be. Auditors to try to get access to the building we had printed business cards and and a button up shirts with that company's name on it. Grab some clipboards and We arrive in Jamaica and we drive to the location to scope it out first day. So it's a pretty big building. It was maybe three or four stories high Huge Square the whole. Parking lot is surrounded by A. Barbed wire pointing in. there is a guard as you pull into the to the parking lot. There's a guard booth. With. Two guards sitting at the edge of the parking lot drive up to the guard gate, prepared to either way in somehow because it was daytime, and it was a they were expecting customers in and out. We weren't stopped at the gate Let me we stop and they just said Oh. Yeah, we're here to to to do some banking and they let us right in. There was no issues. And as they enter the parking lot, these see some guys. We spy undermines. Not only were the dirt bikes, but as they drove, by Chris and Ryan saw that mounted on the side of the dirt, bikes were sawed off guard. It's there was security. They were bank security. We're like that's in America bank securities a security guard. Maybe he's a gun on his belt, but he's sitting at the at the desk or up front. These guys were on dirt bikes driving through the parking lot and it was. Crazy. We're like what. Ryan I pulled up. The first thing we both looked at each other, and we both had this immediate thought like still going to do this job. And Ryan he he says it. He goes I didn't sign up for this and I'm like well. We just flew all the way here from America to Jamaica, it'd be real shame to just come all this way, and not even try, and he's like they have shotguns on dirt bikes and I'm like. Yeah, it's a little odd, but you know a gun to gun, and we break it into facilities in America and those facilities we. Have, a risk of getting shot to. Maybe they're not on dirt bikes running around the parking lot, but still you know getting shot with a shotgun or rifle or A ours is not. GonNa. Suck, and we're GONNA. Get Shot So. And we do those jobs. That was really poor reasoning, but that was my reasoning and. Anyone along with it and we did it, but it's. Looking back, I'm like boy. That was a scary scary moment. They took a deep breath. Drove through the parking lot and parked the dirt bikes were whizzing by, and they were just adding a whole new level of stress that they were expecting got out of the van and suited up. Put on a shirt with the company's name that was conducting the audit. They got their fake business cards ready. And of course, my favorite, a clipboard, and the clipboards hollow so inside the clipboard are usb keys and other tools that we may need lock picks camera that we can videotape things with so there's inside the clipboard are a lot of different things that we can carry so enough to have them on. Our hands were walking in the take. A look at this building. The building is mirrored glass. So as you're approaching, you can't see through the windows. Because all the all the glasses mirrored. The got a little information about what's inside this building before coming in, so they know what it looks like inside before they even get in as you open the front doors. There's a security guard desk right there with A. like with a metal detector and the security guards are sitting behind a desk, but you have to walk through the front doors, right past and to get to the staircase that is the only access into the building, so there's no other. No other access into that particular building up in that area you can go around the back. There was some loading docks and other areas, but. The front door was the was the only access and through the security guards said to get the rest of the bank. So the walk up to the building, and as we're getting closer to the door, I said the Ryan. Look I'm just GonNa get my phone act like I'm having a conversation and when we get inside, I'm going to say something like hey, we're coming upstairs now. Just wait, we'll. We'll finish the audit in a minute and we'll just walk past security like we belong. And he's like it's not gonNA work. I'm like well. Let's find out. And I opened the front door. Walk in pick up my phone put it to me yeah. Yeah, Jack were were in the front coming upstairs. And we walk right past security and they don't even stop us I mean not even flinch. And you don't have time to pause and be like what the heck, but as we're walking up. The stairs were both like what the heck. Was Way too easy, so we get upstairs and we realized we don't have time to stop and breathe and figure out where we go. Around the corner and there's a room that says ATM, Testing Center Big Sign on it says ATM Testing Center and there's a woman is walking right in front of us, and she enters the room so I just make a quick right, and I enter the room right behind her, and Ryan follows right along, so we get in the room. She kinda startled. She turns around and she looks at me. Like what are you doing I'm like Oh. We're here doing the the audit for peace. We're finishing it up and she's like Oh okay. and. She just turns around and lets us in this room. The minute the look around this room. It seems to be where they repair ATM's big machines, which may or may not have cash in them, but they're all opened up in pieces around the room. Now Ryan like literally climbing up inside giant ATM's taking pictures of all their circuit boards and parts, and there's a guy over with the computer testing out this ATM, so I walk up to and say explained to me what you're doing and he walks me through how they code there ATM's. He shows me their software. He's this. Give me a free education on ATM's and I'm videotaping the whole thing and he doesn't know covertly videotaping it. So we were in that room for probably about thirty minutes at the point where we're like we have to leave otherwise it's GonNa. Look really awkward. You know that we just keep hanging out here. Talking to these people, so we tell them okay, we're done we we exit. Now remember it there in Jamaica, so look out of place here, but they had a ruse like we're the only two white guys and literally this building. It was. It was definitely culturally interesting. There, because we definitely stood out, so that's why we chose. That, we were working for the American Audit Company. That made. That makes sense of why. We were there that we weren't trying to be locals. We did try to make believe we live there. We didn't try to make believe anything that that would throw them off. We were like yeah. We just came in flew in from America last night for finishing the audit, so they wander the halls with a clipboard. clipboard in hand, looking for something else of interest, and there's a long hallway and at the end of the hallway. There's two glass doors that we can see through and there's a there's a call center. I can see all these men and women sitting on on phones and headsets. All these rows of computers and I'm like okay. That's a call center and. There's a rfid. Pad Right next to the door, so we you know we assume okay. The doors locked we can't just yanking on it, so we I'm walking really slow towards the door and the hopes that someone would either enter or exit, and I'd be able to hold the door for them or catch the door with my foot and get in without having to have a key. And it's like you can't even plan this as as smoothly as I approached the door, this woman's exiting and let me hold it for you and I. Just I pulled the door. She unlocks it and I hold. Differentiate says a really nice. Thank you and Ryan and I walk into the Test Center. They get in this large room rows and rows of desks and cubicles are here. Lots of people over with headsets on. On talking to customers on the phone, we're trying to find like a quiet open spot and we're walking up and down. These aisles kind of slowly and I go down this one aisle and there's a computer that's on, but it's at. It's P-. It's locked screen and there's a woman sitting right next to it on her computer so i. just say to her I need you to put your password in this computer here. And she looks she stops. I looked like what what do you mean? I said I. Need you to log into this computer? She's like, but I'm using this when I'm like I. Know Angel Log into this computer to. and. She goes okay, and she just gets up an ashes typing her password I start recording on my phone and I hold my phone over the keyboards recording her password on my on my phone. Does she see you do this? She doesn't so. I'm doing it where I'm holding my phone on the back of a clipboard, and I make a big stink about looking away from her, so she thinks I'm not watching her turner, Password in. Again on my phone. I call Ryan over he sits down. He pulls out one of the USB keys, and he starts hacking the the the network from there. While Ryan's doing that I just turn around and I noticed that there's this guy. This guy sitting at a desk right behind us about five or six feet, and he gets up to use the bathroom I assume he just gets from his desk and he walks away and when he walks away. He leaves his computer unlocked. He leaves his badge on the desk. He leaves everything there, so I go over to his computer and sit down and just start scrolling through. A banking screens applications I. I take a picture of his badge cloning later. And then Ryan comes over, and he starts hacking that computer, so we now are on these two machines and we're like okay. We've been an ATM testing center. We hacked the network. We brought to different machines. Now, it's time for us to start exiting. Ryan increase start packing up planning their ski part of their. We start thinking of an exit strategy and a woman comes over, and she says. What are you doing here and we're like Oh. We're finishing up. On it, so we're just testing speeds on these computers. And she's like okay, and she walks away I'm like man. That was way too easy. Well two minutes later. She comes back with the manager. And manager says you know who is your contact here? and. I said all you know. I, don't I don't have a contact. Everyone is allowed in the bank as a contact. How'd you get in here? I said well. We're working with that American Audit Company. I said the name and she goes I. Know Them they've been here for the last month. And right and we're just finishing up the audit on speed and other things so I just was told to come to. The test said I can give you my American contacts. Know I. Need Your local. Goes come with me. She begins escorting Chris and Ryan to the security desk at the front door bill. Christmas already a step ahead. He thought about what he would do if he got caught. Because it's never over when you get caught, mission has just changed to see if you can escape from being caught. Christmas plan was pretty brilliant back in their van in the parking. Lot of this building is the third guy they brought with him. He's a local in Jamaica. That works for a pen test company that was the the bank was was his client, so they had hired us to come down and do the social engineering part so I said look you sit in the van. Your our local banker guy so you're you. You use this name, and if they call you, answer this right for it to whoever someone with a local accent who can pretend devout for them might just be a pretty convincing fake. Get Out of jail free card, so we. We get the security and she says you know check on these people, and then she she leaves so I'll tell the security guy I'm like look. You WanNa talk to my contact here at the. The bank and he's like yes, so I call on the phone Chris uses his own cellphone to call his buddy. Who's just in the van in the parking lot to pose as someone who works at this company and I? Say Hey I need you to talk to the security guard? He basically said the security guard said so you know. Do you know these two people give the fake names because we have fake? Fake business cards and he said Oh. Yeah, yeah, they work for this company. You know this auditing companies like Yep. That's what their card says and he's like. Yeah, they're supposed to be there doing a speed and an internet connectivity tests and he's like. Yeah, that's what they were doing, and he's like okay. That sounds legitimate and he's a great then. Please let them continue doing their job and that was it. and. Then at that point, you know, he said well. You're verified, and I'm like okay well. We're going to take a break, and then we'll come back because we at at this point. We didn't know if going back into building was going to get US arrested and. Know I. Don't know about you been arrested. A lot of times on jobs in the state's getting out of that's relatively easy. I could not know how getting arrested in Jamaica was going to be so we decided to exit the building. We plus we had the network. We hacked the ATM stuff, so we were like. Yeah, we're pretty much done here. So we exited the building and then went to our next location. All objectives on the first building have been accomplished in and out no problem, easy peasy at least to someone who's as skilled as Chris right time to head over to the second bank building. The next one, though is where they're noxious. This is the network operation center the room where a bunch of network technicians and engineers are all actively looking for network security incidents within the bank's network to resolve them. Well Chris in Ryan are about to be two major network security incidents. If they can get into the knock, so this should be interesting match inside the banking property, which look just like the other property you know the barb wire fence, the whole nine yards there was a smaller building that was surrounded by another barbed wire fence and that was the knock. And we, we ring the Bell, and the security guard comes out, and he says What's your name? I told him we. We're doing. And he looks at his list and he's like you were not on the list. I'M GONNA. Need to call and get approval. So I said Oh man. You know if you can said look we're. We're to Americans and we're not used to the heat here. It can we come in and wait in the air conditioning while you make the calls and verify us? And he thought about it for like a good five ten seconds, and he's like yeah, okay, so he presses the button unlocks the gate and we get an I'm thinking this. Is IT GONNA well? He's in his office, making calls. We're going to hack the whole knock. We're to be out. So. He lets us into the front. We're sitting by these two computers which I'm like Ryan. As he leaves this is it and he goes to K.. You guys wait here. I gotTa go to my office and we're like sure no problem we won't move. We'll just sit here in the Nice Ac. Thanks for being so cool and and he gets up and he. Puts his head around the corner, and he yell something to some Guy I couldn't understand what it was and a second later. This dude I swear he was the biggest man I've ever seen in my life, and I am by no means a small person, this guy. Looked like a miniature human, I, this guy must have been six ten six eleven, and he was as wide as a doorway he had He had a flak jacket on. That had knives at different intervals in his flak jacket. He had a giant billy stick on this one hip on his other hippie had a soft shock on, and then he had a handgun on the belt on his other side. This guy comes in. He stands with his arms folded in the doorway, and I just leaned over to like touched a computer and he went. Just like no, no, I'm not doing anything not doing anything at like. Ryan Leans like I'm not gonNA, try and I'm like. Don't try. Don't try at this point. Chris makes a decision. This is not gonNA work time to figure out a way to escape, but you don't want to. Just get up and run well. This big guy with weapons of staring at you. But Chris has prepped really well for and has a plan. A. That morning before coming into this building, he compiled a lot of data on this company. Scour the Internet and researched a bunch of employees here and even made some phone calls talk with some of those people. All this was done that seem morning with the Lincoln and we pulled up the employees of the bank, and then we and then we found one who said their phone numbers, and we started calling people who were in positions that we thought would be able to say Like there would be our context. We were legitimate auditors. Calling like the see so or the CIO and what we wanted to do was call them asked him a couple. Weird questions nothing about audit. Just be like Oh. Hey, is this joe and they'd be like? No, this is not joe to hear their voice and we were hoping that if one of them sounded a lot like our Jamaica contact you know like we don't like if they were older or matter rough voice, or whatever if they sounded similar that we can have that guy play the part of of of the CEO. CEO and then give us permission. You get it right. They were trying to find somebody within the company that sounded like their third guy in the fans so that he can pretend to be the person on the phone and one of the people they tried calling was the chief information officer, but when they called the CIO, they never got through the the secretary said Oh. He's not into these on a business trip. You flew to another island and then I just ask so. When when will he be back? Not Elite it this afternoon. Okay Great. Then you know, we'll call back then now. He took this little bit of information. He learned earlier that day any sitting in the building with the knock and this huge armed guard is staring at him, and he waits for the other guard to come back when the guy came back. He's like look I can't verify. No one knows who you are. I'm a little word. I, said you know. The Guy who's supposed to be in contact with US I heard off the island. Today's on a business trip somewhere, and he said Yeah. That's what they told me and that was the only thing that saved us because I knew a story that he had found out just now on the phone I said Yeah, well that guys are contact. You know what do this. He supposed to be back in a couple of hours. So why don't we go? Go. We have another site that were supposed to go to. We'll go do that site, and then we'll come back in a couple of hours when he's landed from his business trip and he's like okay. That's cool and we got the heck out of there and left and never came back. We had no other sites. We were done, but we were like. We just need out of there before like King Kong broke us on the little pieces. So we did nothing there. We didn't hack that. We completely failed on that job, but it was like this guy could break both of us in half without thinking about it and failing is actually good, it means their security was better than Chris increases a professional so at this point Chris and Ryan right up full report and have a meeting with the client to go over everything. Yeah, you know that's that's what I love about working. Working with clients like that is, they were very happy. They weren't mad. They weren't like you. Guys are jerks they they really loved the story. They loved how far we went. They loved that we also didn't try to hurt anybody or damage anybody they They love that. We followed all the rules, but mostly they just love that. We proved where there vulnerabilities were because at the end. They said well. What could have stopped you? And gave them three five different points of where we could have been stopped at any point in time. I'm interested to hear those points sure so the first the first point was when we entered the building on the phone. The security guard didn't stop us and he should have. He should've said well. We'll hang on before you get upstairs. Like who are you here to see and I and I would have came up with the same fake name and he would went i. don't see you on the list. Let me call upstairs and see if Jack is there. And when he called upstairs, and there's no Jack I would have been stopped. That was the first time I could have been stunned The second time is when I entered the ATM center with Ryan and The lady turned around and went. You know. What do you do it in here and I said. That, she should've said. Have you authorized in this room? This is a private room and had a whole separate security system. she could called downstairs security and say hey, are this supposed to be out of those doing the ATM Center, and that may have triggered them to check in, and I could have been stopped there or just could have just shut the door and said. Yeah, you're not allowed in. The third time was when we were in the call center, and I said that woman put your password in here. She should have said I. Don't think I'm allowed to do that. The mood will get my manager. You know or just rejected entering her password she didn't do that. The the fourth time was when we went over to the computer. That guy didn't lock. He could have stopped us by locking his computer before he left the bathroom. You know, and then the fifth time was back at security guards when we call the fake Jack and said Hey, yeah, here talked to our contact here and he accepted that we were telling the truth and let us. Let us back in. that. That could have stopped us if he was like. I'm not handling your phone. I want to call this guy directly on the extension, I know he took my phone which could have been any person and spoke to him as a bank contact he could have he could have just called. called the extension directly instead of trusting me, so when I told them those five things they were like. Yeah, those are all good points and I'm like you know you set training, and you sit policies in place, and then you train them on those policies, and you give them avenues to the smart and next time we will not be able to break in. Support for this episode comes from last pass. Last pass is an award winning password manager, which can really improve your online security. They have solutions for both personal use and business use each entry. Point into your organization can compromise your businesses security last pass identity can help minimize the risk and give your it team. 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The Guy who hired Chris and Ryan to try to break in was the head of physical security of the building, so the head of security authorized this, which is what made it legal and Chris had prints it out this authorization letter and put it in his pocket. Because if all goes wrong, they've got this letter. Which says the head of security paid them to test this facility. They plan out there pretext or ruse. There were going to pose as pest control which could get them access into the building, and then from there they could try to sneak USB drive into one of the computers. They had a uniform spray bottles boxes and more to look like they were actually doing press control. They decided to go the night before to scout out the place. It's a big office building lots of glass windows and even a glass door in the front. They came by at night. There was no security around. Tugged on the doors were locked, so they decided to try and old. You're there was like two glass doors that lead into the place. They had a gap in between them. That was wide enough for us to shovel, USB key through their theory is that if they slip one of their militias, USB sticks through the gap of the door and into the building. When someone finds it the next day, the might just curious enough to see what's on it and plug it into a computer. which by the way you should never do, USB keys can contain a ton of. Malware that you want to avoid. But if a user open any of the files that were on this USB drive, it would create a reverse connection back to Chris's server, which would allow him remote? To that computer, the user plug a USB key into. So, they shoved this USB stick through the gap of the door, and there were two sets of these doors, and what sadly the first door perfect. We did great the second door. Nobody ever uses it and we didn't know that so when we slid the USB key through when someone founded the next morning, they went. Hey, you know that door. Otaly never used. There's USB key in the floor there. And, that made security. Go look video tapes from the night before. So. They saw Ryan and I at the building outside sliding these keys through the door so that we didn't know that none of this. We knew so the next day we come and I'm reversing into my parking spot. I mean this big huge SUV and I'm reversing into the parking spot. And I had just turned around to make sure I wasn't hit anything, and I heard the door open I thought Ryan was getting out and when I turned back. There's a cop that ripped Ryan. A security guard, but armed security guard who ripped Ryan out of the front door, and had him slammed on the hood and was cuffing him. Now Ryan knows this. Everyone knows this look. If we gotTA GET AWAY I may run so I can come back and break later like you're gonNA deal with it. So I put the car drive like I'm going to flee, and he's looking at me like shaking his head like. Don't leave me man and I'm like see you sucker you know. I've just about the take my foot off. The brake and a woman jumps out in front of the car with a gun drawn, and she's like. Get Out of the car and I'm like. Hey, hey, put the gun away. We're all good and I. Put it in Park and she's like. Get Out of the car and I'm like I'm not getting out of the car. He put the gun away like I need you to. To put the gun away. She's like I'm not putting the gun away. And we're yelling back and forth, and eventually I get out of the car and she was short. She was five to five. Three and I'm six three. She slammed me on the hood so hard that it knocked my hat and my sunglasses often, they flew across the hood before my face bounced off the hood. She had both my arms in cuffs. And it was so impressive I said Whoa that was like maybe the quickest cuffing I've ever had. It just came out of my mouth. Right and she goes. You get cuffed all the time, don't you? SCUMBAG and I'm like. Okay I could see. You're very angry. I don't know why you're so angry. I mean we're just driving. You know pulling in here. We're doing some pest control and she's like you're not doing pest control scum, and then she takes me up. T T stands me up and like. Hey, it's really hot here. was a summertime in a in a really hot area Can we go over to the shades? She takes us over to the Shade Ryan and I are now kneeling on the ground like an execution style. You know we're on our knees. Both of us come behind our back. And? They're like what are you doing here and Ryan whispers to? The letter and unlike. Get Out of this, you know. Like we're here doing pest control and she's like you're not doing pest control and I'm like we are. I, said look go up in the back of our issue via up. You'll see the we put. We had pest control sprayers, and we fake chemical cartons and everything. We had all the stuff that the look the deal. So. She's like you know you're not here. Doing pest control. He just opening up and look so they see the pest control equipment and she's like I. Don't believe you. And I'm like I. Don't know why you know. Believe me look I got a work order. Here's my clipboards and the car. If you want to get it and she's like I'm going anywhere scum. What are you doing here and I'm like I'm telling you I. Don't know how many ways to answer it. And, then Ryan's like the letter. They're getting mad then I'm like no, we don't need the letter. and. Then, and then the Guy Guard comes over and he's like. Why were you here eleven o'clock last night? And, I'm like crap. So quickly. Thinking and I'm like well. One of the things we were hired to spray for with Scorpions and they don't come out in the daytime. they this this. This breed of Scorpion only comes out at nighttime, so we came at night to just check the area to make sure that we were going to spray. At night and he said we saw you video. We didn't see any sprayers. You were just walking around the building looking at our doors. And I'm like well. We were just scoping it out. We're going to bring now in tonight. And he's like. What are you really doing here and I'm like no I'm telling you the truth that Ryan's like give them the Leonard Dang. It and I'm like no man like we can do this like I. Feel like we're GonNa win this right. And and then he goes what what about the USB keys? You dropped and then I'm like crap. Yeah, now it's over so I'm like okay. Look Man. There's a letter in that clipboard is like. Like I'm grabbing your clipboard for all I know it's some kind of device and I'm like non hope this. Grab the letter, please you grab the letter, so the lady goes over. She grabs a letter. They open it and they see the contact name, and they know him personally, and they're like that mother. I can't believe it and I'm like. Yeah, yeah, he's a real jerk. That guy's a jerk. You should uncut us, we're. We're buddies and. She's like cuffing you scum and I'm like no come on. We're not scum anymore now. You know we're good guys. She's like no. We stayed kneeling there on the ground for ten more minutes, while while we waited for our contact to come out who we found out was in the bush filming US getting arrested. So we're like really mad that he's like this was great. These guys did so good I'm like yeah. They've been great, but you could have saved us and he's like. No. This was awesome like. The name on the letter was actually the security guards boss when they called him, and he said Yep. This is all a test. Situation calmed down, and the security guards eventually started laughing about this whole situation, and started asking and Ryan. Like what are their jobs pen testers? Everyone started being more friendly and. I'm grilling them for Info. Unlike so yeah, you know you guys did really good. We should came later, but you're probably here twenty four hours right and they're like. No, no, no, no security here is after seven PM and I'm like Oh. Yeah, we should have chosen. That's too bad I got their their schedules. You know like from them just by talking so then we come back that night like nine pm after they're gone and we break into the place and we break into their office and. We stoled their badges and some of their stuff for for getting into other buildings, and then I left all of my pest control equipment on their desks with a with a big. Thank you note and a couple a couple. Smiley hearts. And the next day when they came in, they knew that we had broken into all the cameras and. Stealing their stuff, but then our press control equipment was on their desks, so. Fun Humor back and forth. Okay for this next story. Actually can I just take a moment and. You for being here as a listener. I mean look at this. We're what forty minutes episode and you're still with me unbelievable. Just thanks so much for being here with me right here right now. So for you, the listener who's made it this far I have something really excited. Be Able to share you. This is a rare find, and I've been looking for something like this for quite a while, so I was really excited when Chris said he could do it, so the story starts with Chris doing a fishing campaign against a company with the goal of raising security awareness for the company, so in this particular test we We started off with a phishing email. and. It was out two thousand people and it was about a brand new iphone. so to to register to win one of the brand new iphones. All you have to do is go to this website and put in your your credentials for your computer. Was a corporate sponsored raffle so that you went to a site that looked like your corporate site. Entered the info, and then you entered to win one of these iphones. Some of the people in this company wanted a free iphone and email looked like it was sponsored by the company itself, so the employee's were like heck. Yeah, let me register to win this thing from this email alone. Chris got seven hundred and fifty people to click the link, and then go to his website and enter in their work, username and password. Saying. At, this point, you could send each of these people an email, explaining how the raffle was just a test and they failed, and that could be the end of the security awareness training, but besides raising awareness, Chris had a secondary objective which was to also gain remote access to the network inside, so he comes up with a plan. We had their use them in password, but our job was to gain access to their to their. Network remotely. So the the the goal was to each one of these people and tell them. That the the link they clicked on was a fish. And that they had you know hopefully, they went when when they were notified of that they had that was a fish that they had to change their password. And that once they changed their password We just make sure that there was no residual On the computer from clicking that fish. And to clean their system, we created a PC cleaner program for them that would clean their machine from any malware, and of course it was not a PC cleaner. It was A. Reverse Shell that gave us access into their machine, so the goal was to call like twenty five people who clicked the link and somehow convince them to run some malware. This is vision which is voice fishing, but like I was saying earlier. It's the same thing that con artists have been doing for one hundred years, so Chris Changed into Paul and acted like he's from tech support. He emails one of the people who clicked the fish and told them a look This was a phishing email. You clicked it. You shouldn't have change your password immediately. Then Chris, or Paul now calls up the employees. And here's the actual vision. Call that took place Paul support how you doing good. He got that you filled out for that iphone. You Win. Did you pass change? Okay. Excellent just wanted to tell you that was really good. That's the way it should have been handled. Okay, yeah. Soon as we realize that two of US jumped right on it. Okay, so there was another guy in your team that also. Was Jay J. HAD JUST GONNA down. I'll be talking to him later on so just to follow up what we're doing you on a VPN right now. You're on your machine. Yes okay I'm GonNa give you an internal address. That's an FTP site that we set up for please. You can go there you can see. There's one file there you'll be able to download was just clean up any residual from that website at we did that. We use for the audit. Machine just browser. And I'll give you the address. you mean like going like I'm going to send an email. I'm not real. Explorer you can open up. The okay. And then up on the the top line the I. Hyphen FTP. Sep.. Doesn't Frank. And then P. as in Paul ended a colon. And then two slashes, and these are the slashes that are by your question. Mark the same button as your question Mark Gotcha. Okay, and then there were this up gay dash and dash like a minus sign dot. com. Okay! And then. Opened up, you say index should have one file is a filed. Okay you know what's your double? Click on that yeah click on that, okay. And it should, it should download. Okay. If you want to runner safe. Yeah Click run okay. And, if everything goes good, you should get no alerts. You know if you have a residual problem from that state, then you'll get a message, but if nothing happens and everything's clean and good. And we're done. Okay. I just got a second thing I, said. The pups publisher couldn't be verified. I want to run the software. Yeah, okay, run again, okay? Okay now it took me back to the original screen. Okay, that's good, so you got no error message then then you're good to go you're you're clean? Okay, well, thanks for the help, not a problem we'll talk. About clicking on that. It's okay. Thanks for. Thank you thinking about it afterward. Oh okay, aren't they? Just like that Chris has gained remote access to disguise computer. He can now do anything he wants on. It opened a Webcam. Turn on the microphone required key strokes transfer files screen shot the desktop or move to another computer deeper inside, and this is fascinating, so let me break it down for you. The company had state of the art network equipment a firewall to block all the bad connections coming into the building or going out of the building an intrusion detection system to inspect traffic, coming and going and blocking anything. Anything that looks militias and the employees all have antivirus on their PS to stop any bad software from running, but of course none of their security listens for fishing phone calls. It bypasses all that, so that's one problem. Then Chris got the employees to download this executing software the downloaded it and ran it. There was a warning. Are you sure you want to run this kind of thing? But the computer didn't lock it from running. And once the program had been run. It started a reverse connection Dr Chris's computer. To all the security devices in the network, this simply looked like a regular web request Chris's Server and from there Chris was able to ride that connection back into them qualies PC, and get in. And this is easily set up to with a tool called menace blight. This is just a reverse shell. Put on, the victims be seat. An virus doesn't stop at either. No, because it wasn't, it wasn't seen as the virus. It's taking advantage of the built in remote control capabilities within windows itself, and so even a fully updated computer has the ability to run remote access commands on it, and that's all they did, and when you get someone inside the company to run this program, it's all it takes to bypassed everything that's supposed to stop. Scary stuff a lot of times. When we talk about this topic, people go. I would never fall for that. And when you hear this guy, he sounds like a normal everyday guy. Got You probably work with? He sounds like just an average dude. He's not dumb. He's he's he's not. He's not just throwing security to the wind. He sounds like your average everyday guy and he's just like. Oh, my Gosh! I can't believe I clicked on that fish. Thanks for helping me. And it's. You know we're not I. Don't like that phrase. There's no patch for Human Stupidity. We don't use that because that means that everyone that falls for these things stupid and I don't think that's true. This guy wasn't stupid, but I think when people hear the call, they get to put themselves in it and go. Yeah, I get that that could have been me. There probably are some current steps that companies can take to stop these things. you know now we This was a couple years ago now we'd probably have to do a little more fancier footwork with mature Peter I do think a lot of anti-viruses do detect. reverse shells now and Maybe a pack inspection system you know. Could have stopped this, but you know we. We embedded this just an enormously exceeding over an encrypted tunnel. and had no malware in no trojans and no viruses. We wanted to get on the machine and then exploit at once. We were aunt so. It literally was. For any lacks intense versus it was like opening up an SSh server on the box. That's it. It was just opening up a reverse connection now a lot of my listeners ask me all the time. How can you practice social engineering so I asked Chris this is a question. I get all the time in my classes because you really can't just go out and break in the places or fish people for fun. SO I! Say Look when you look at se as a science, it is literally just learning how to communicate with people on a level that they like to be communicated with learning how to get that person to open up to you, so you can do that without having to be a pen tester, you can I mean maybe not now because of Covid nineteen you could, you could do this with delivery people. You can do this when you go to starbucks and next time you can have. You can have a conversation with a complete stranger. And get information from that stranger. That's non malicious, but is their full name. Where do they live? What job do they have? How many kids are they? Have they married? You know what? What did they do in their career where they go to school? All these questions which are vital to understand about a person that you're. If you're a pen tester, you can get in a normal conversation and the more comfortable you are just. Having a conversation with random human, the easier being social engineer will be when it's time to to do it for a living. And, if you WANNA know more about social engineering, checkout Chris's book, Social Engineering, the science of human hacking, and make sure you get the updated second edition. This is a great book which breaks down all the concepts of how to be a great social engineer. That's probably my favorite book that I've written for and that one is I feel like it's eleven years of my experience and science behind it, so unlike the first edition of that which was very new, and it was not very well written this one. I feel really done well. But if you're like child Dini's book called influence. That's an amazing book Joe Varos. Book on what everybody is saying is is just phenomenal book. Book on emotions revealed all about non verbals is is truly a great book. amy cookies book on called presence. On getting yourself into character, I could just kind of list books after books about that I've read that I integral in my life that may be not about social engineering, but there are about an aspect of communications and social. Engineering Robbins reach book on The top ten wasted bill report anyone fast. These books are like integral to understand them if you are going. Going to be a social engineering of course, I'll have links to all these books in the show notes so make sure to visit dark net dot dot com for that, and besides being the chief human hacker for his company and writing books on this Chris has accomplished so much more. He's the one who started the social engineering village at Defcon which is the most popular. Popular village at Defcon. It has some great talks, but also a competition where contestants have to social engineer someone live on stage over the phone in front of a crowd. It's awesome to watch until their new tricks. I might have to do an episode just on that village one day, and on top of all that he started a nonprofit called the innocent lives foundation where people. People use sent an hacking skills to try to help. Authorities find and captured child predators and human traffickers and I. Think I'm going to have to have Chris back at some point to tell his stories about that for sure, but that for another time while thank you so for sharing this. I'M GONNA. Leave it with this last question. Have you ever been fished yes? Let's see I love that question because I think sometimes people that are in the industry don't WanNa talk about the Times. They were hacked and yeah. I got fish hardcore I. I've probably been fished a couple times, but the most notable to me because I fell for this hook line and sinker is a I'm an Amazon Junkie I would love I. Buy Everything on Amazon that I can and I I was preparing for Defcon and I had must ordered like ten twenty things for the kids competition out of Vegas, and I'm packing up my office for for DEFCON and get an email looks just like an Amazon. Order email, and it says one. One of your recent orders was not be shipped. Do declined credit card and everything. I always tell my customers don't ever click those links and email you. Open up your browser. You go to Amazon Dot. com You log into your account and it will tell you exactly what the problem is, but not critically thinking being stressed about defcon packing my office seeing that email going. Oh, my Gosh, how can it be declined? My credit card never gets declined I clicked a link. And I the browser opens. I go to a page that says it looks like Amazon. Log In page looks identical to it, but I'm one of those guys that has my username saved, but not my password. So I start typing my password and when they go to click submit, but before I click it I realized my user names, not there and I'm like what the heck! My usual names was there so i. look up at the URL bar and it was like something something to argue and I'm like Oh. My Gosh I just I just clicked a fish, and literally fell for from Russian site. So of course you know clean the computer. Change my passwords burn the house down. You know sell. The family moved to another country. You know do all the normal things you do when you click on a fish. And then I. Tell I tell my team on like I. Just got fish I'm never telling anyone. That's so embarrassing and then one of the people on my team. She's like you need to tell the whole world. That story like this can help so many people because you're the guy who wrote the book on fishing like you need to tell the story how you got fished and I thought about it. I'm like yeah, that's a pretty good point so I do tell the story now, but I mean I fell for that like I fell for that one hundred percent because that. That that email I if I did not look at that, you were all bar. I would click submit and given them my credentials. So I I did not. The only thing that caught me was the one flaw that my use. Your name was not in that box. Otherwise I fell for that thing. One hundred percent later on when I went back and inspected the email, it was like four A. George Foreman, grill and some Lee press on nails. Not even real items that I would ever order, and I'm like Oh, my Gosh, if I had just read, the Dang email could've caught it like if I had looked at the euro. If I open my browser and type the address and there's like five ways I could've caught that fish that I nord them all because of stressing critic, lack of critical thinking I'm like. Yeah. Yup. I've been fished. Man I've fallen for it. A big. Thank you to Christopher! 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