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The first impeachment vote

Today, Explained

21:37 min | 1 year ago

The first impeachment vote

"The nationals won the world series for the first time ever inquiry is official on motion to reconsider is laid upon the table speaker assess necessary I thank the gentleman speaker it is now official and maybe already was official but now related to the impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump bird now this is basically a political move and it was pretty much a party line vote what does the actual resolution over the past month the action in the impeachment inquiry has been in related to the scandal over whether trump pressured the Ukrainian government the closed-door phase of this to an open setting where watch the house have to have this vote today why did they do it today why is this happening and impeachment inquiry start with a vote of the full house ager. Republican talking points used to criticize the impeachment three with a standard set of rules and due process this is an attempt sincere argument because none of them are going to now say all right now on the merits of this scandal will the fact that Democrats may have been pressured into doing this by is this vote doesn't change very much Democrats were conducting this impeachment and it is a milestone that will be remembered by history that it's still probably weeks or more likely months down the road and he will also get new witnesses if he can and right a report on their findings and recommendations that the articles of impeachment related to the findings of that report is the vote to impeach Donald Trump in the house if any article of impeachment why call witnesses who have already testified so the move now really is to all of this information behind closed doors that was the kind of fact gathering phase away a position and they understand the basic facts of the scandal and now they're ready to kind and while we're on witness testimony there were some witness the most significant one that we know of so far was army and Vin men was the top Ukraine impeachment investigators that he and others on the National Security Council repeatedly and released publicly that was quite critical of what trump during this process why was in this whole saga and he also revealed some new concerning and that's interesting because he is actually the first official who was actually on the line during the call US citizen and I was worried about the investigation the implications for the US government support losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained this would all undermine. US picked out that he apparently said behind closed doors of the White House transcript of the call. He said that he wanted made his report yes then men tried to add those details to the reconstructed white documents summarizing the call was locked down afterward that many other government officials from being able to see what happened credit he's corroborated a lot of what was said so far and raised new concerning allegations as well. Oh blowers identity do people think that Vin men himself could be the whistleblower to work at the White House yes he is still detailed to the NFC staff he's an active duty member of the military that he's in the White House well you could by a roadside bomb he got a purple heart and so you know he's decorated veteran background which is that when he was three years old his uh most people would interpret that as an inspiring story of the American dream will but trump's defenders used this to make insinuations Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian now wait a second John isn't that kind of an interesting angle publican's who push back against it representative Liz Cheney of people like Mr von men and others who have testified it is shameful to questioned six in his White House testifying in such an incriminating way against would ask about Jennifer Lopez Mariah Carey Defense Ukraine call concern today's never-trumper witness was the on the same call that I was can't call is actually okay and if you just read the call summary it was widely viewed as terribly damning for the president but he is now just of a long look at this I did nothing wrong and when in fact right who's he morrison is another National Security Council staffer broke Wednesday night about that and so in his testimony his opening really under lying facts that other more hostile witnesses have laid out more sma the natural gas company that Hunter Biden sat on the board of and Tim Morrison they asked him to show up next week and Bolton's lawyer quickly responded and in fact using the same lawyer as him this aid has sued both not as the trump administration says so Bolton may be waiting for this Adda trump but he also supports like executive power he doesn't like Democrats so Terry personnel saying that this transcript is incomplete and what transpired was actually far looks like the House is going to impeach trump at this point the at this point but the question of the Senate is a tougher one it takes two right now we're not seeing anything close to that Mitt Romney is still continue to dodge this in part because they say they're going to be so senators consider themselves jurors and a lot of the Republican happy Halloween the Senate has a lot of rural jurors the the show is over appro today explained is hosted by Wichita McCarthy scary no I'm hasn't fear we also had to help this week from jared poltergeist and imposed by the mundane brake master cylinder Three Hour Marathon interview did you hear that and go like damn I would really I just did a marathon interview with Edward Snowden the to discuss launched the entire impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump and how it compares to his own experiences was code feed tomorrow Friday November. 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Weekly Update --- Congress is Trumps Co-Conspirator Against Liberty

Ron Paul Liberty Report

04:42 min | 11 months ago

Weekly Update --- Congress is Trumps Co-Conspirator Against Liberty

"Hello everyone and thank you for tuning into the weekly report. Congress is Trump's CO conspirator against liberty. Thirty imagine that President Trump spent his phone call with the Ukrainian president threatening to withhold military aid unless the Ukrainian government agreed agreed to use the money to purchase weapons from a US manufacturer. Does anyone seriously think that foreign service professionals and deep state operatives would be so shocked and offended by trump's request that they would launch efforts to impeach him with Congress. Congress view this as high crimes and misdemeanors or applaud trump for carrying out one of modern presidents supposedly. Most important jobs acting as salesman for the mirror can military industrial complex. This hypothetical shows that impeachment is not about President President trump's abuse of power instead it is an attempt to make sure president trump and all future presidents confined their abuses of power. Our two items that advance the agenda of the political establishment president trump's most consequential abuses of power her have been met with the full approval of the majority in Congress. The mainstream media and the deep state for example when president trump launched military action in Syria without obtaining a congressional declaration of war. There were no calls for his impeachment instead. Most members of Congress were perfectly happy to let stand unchallenged. President trump's claim that the two thousand one authorization for use of military military force a limited grant of authority to act against those responsible for the September. Eleventh two thousand one attacks gave him the authority already to launch military action against a government. That had nothing to do with the September eleventh attacks the only times Congress rebukes President President Trump's foreign policy is when he speaks favorably about pursuing peaceful relations with Russia or ending. US involvement in no-win military conflicts. This hypocrisy extends beyond foreign policy many Democrats who claim that president trump is both a fascist and mentally mentally unhinged are eager to ensure a president. Trump can continue to conduct warrantless surveillance on every American by reauthorizing section. Two fifteen of the Patriot Act. Trump opposing progresses in Congress are also eager to give president trump new authority to violate the the second amendment even those progressives who say they believe trump is a deranged fascist did not object when he endorsed Red Red Flag Laws that give the government power to as president trump. Put it take the guns. I go through due process. Second second perhaps the most sickening example of trump's congressional opponents at crecy is how many of those fretting about the safety of Ukraine Gate eight whistleblower are silent about or supportive of the trump administration's complicity in the inhumane treatment of wikileaks founder. Founder Julian assange they are also silent about the. US government throwing Chelsea Manning back into jail because she refuses to help the US prosecution prosecution of Mr Assange all modern presidents have exceeded constitutional limitations on their power and thus could have and maybe should have. I've been impeached. The reason they were not impeach is that a majority of Congress members support allowing presidents to wage war abroad and destroy liberty at home without being hamstrung by Congress. The only real dispute among the political class is which which party should we owed the levers of power restoring constitutional limits on government power and thus protecting liberty depend on spreading spreading ideas and building a movement. Our loss freedom will only be restored when presidents and members of Congress fear being impeached reached at the ballot box for committing high crimes and misdemeanors against peace prosperity and liberty. Thanks for listening.

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Behind impeachment: Life in a Ukrainian war zone

Front Burner

22:01 min | 11 months ago

Behind impeachment: Life in a Ukrainian war zone

"This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Jamie Person The yeas are two hundred and thirty. The nays are one ninety. We seven article one is adopted on Wednesday. The president of the United States was impeached impeach because of what descended Nicole with the president of Ukraine and his actions in that Kohl's aftermath. It doesn't really feel like would being impeached. The country's he's doing better than ever before we did nothing wrong. And amid all the uproar. It's easy to forget that the military aid withheld and eventually released least would help Ukraine fight an active war one. That's left roughly thirteen thousand people. CBC's Russia correspondent. Chris Brown on has been following this story closely today. He'll bring us a rare look inside eastern Ukraine warzone to share what he learned from the embattled civilians on the ground and explain uh why that military assistance was such a big deal. This is from Burger Hi Chris Hello Hi Jamie. It's such a pleasure to have you back as always it's great to be back. Thank you so I want to start with the trump impeachment hearings. We heard from expert. Witnesses that the threat or even insinuation of withholding Ukraine military aide was just repugnant. Today we are joined by ambassador. William Taylor and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent. It was counterproductive to all of what we had been trying lying to do. It was illogical it could not be explained it was crazy. A Europe truly whole free and at peace our strategic aim for the entirety tired of my foreign service career is not possible without a Ukraine whole free and at peace and as someone who just got back from that area from from eastern Ukraine. The epicenter of the war. Why was that military aid so significant? Well you use the word. War is exactly a war but what kind kind of award is depends on where you sit from where I am here in Moscow. If you watch the television every day they'll say it's a Ukrainian civil war fought between tween Ukrainians. But if you're in Ukraine if you're in the capital cave if you're in western Europe in fact for many Canadians it's not a civil war. It is a a war between Ukraine and separatists that are backed in fueled by Russia. And that's why this money that the United States was withholding holding which was giving to the Ukrainian government is so important because you had four hundred million dollars That was being used for everything from Cyprus. Rifles to training troops to night vision goggles to medical assistance. All of this was going to Ukrainian the in government troops and then the other side you have the Russians and even though they don't acknowledge this publicly western sources say it's absolutely true and we can go into that more if you want. But there's ample evidence to show that they're doing the exact same thing on their side Supporting the separatists with money with weapons with logistical support and and so forth. So when one side kind of stops that support it's very very significant and and it could have had a very consequential impact if it had been it allowed to continue and that's why this was so absolutely crucial for the Ukrainian government to get this money commander Pavel Sergei which tells us one of his men was shot dead by a sniper ten days ago news so he saying that when he heard the news that president trump had frozen the military aid he was unhappy a happy because he says America is our most important our strongest ally right and of course we know that the Ukrainians did eventually get this money. The the government did handed over. Yes they did and you try to quantify exactly well. What was the impact on the ground from a diplomatic point of view created an intense amount of uncertainty? It weaken the Ukrainian government's position and anything that weakens the Ukraine government's position strengthens the Russian government's hand. And so that's sort of why this was such a big deal okay and so. This war began in two thousand fourteen almost six years ago now and I want to dig into it a little bit more with you. Can you tell me a bit more about what at the center of this conflict will ultimately the place of Ukraine in Europe is at the very heart of this. You know there's a saying and I should know who said it but I can't remember the my head that that Ukraine with Russia creates an empire. And if it's not with Russia than Russia is just a plain ordinary state so oh Ukraine really goes to the heart of what it means to be Russian. A lot of people see here. See Ukraine is the birthplace of modern Russia the origin in many ways of of its language it. The cultures of the people are very very tightly connected and of course Ukraine was obviously a huge part of the Soviet Empire Up until nineteen ninety but in two thousand fourteen. There was a huge break a cleavage with that and there was a revolution. A coup and the Ukrainians went to the streets of Dan Square unarmed unarmed protesters gunned down in the streets by the Rut. These by the end of the day moving fifty people were dead including three policemen. We are not terrorist people if it wanted to live in a in a good country corruption risk good Lord throughout the russian-backed president of Ukraine crane. And they made a big tilt to the west and that has been at the root of this and after twenty fourteen the Russians. They they invoked this. The idea that you know are people in. Crimea are risk Russian speaking people so their troops went in the seized the Crimean Peninsula on identified pro Russia armed militias prowling the streets of Crimea's capital armored Russian vehicles burst through the wall of Crimea's Belbek base today firing warning shots jason growing sound grenades and then a little further north from that Crimean Peninsula of course rate on the Black Sea a little further north of that in eastern Ukraine these separatist conflicts broke out and places like Don Bass and Lugansk and it was a it turned into a real fighting war between these separatists that were fueled by Russia and the Ukrainian government and it's really bogged down. It's become in some cases like trench warfare. First World War people. We've talked to their have said I catch the Second World War. The Great Patriotic War is the worst. Were the world has ever seen only lasted for four years in yet this conflict flicked has been going on for six. That gives you some some some sense of just how important and how big a deal is for Ukraine. I I WANNA talk to you about what is like for the people living there especially when you put it that way The images from your reporting your team's reporting in eastern Ukraine are difficult to to watch for people who haven't seen them. What does it look like in Don yet? S- well I should tell you we have been in the last Ten months nine months we our crew from Moscow has made four trips into Ukraine various areas into parts of eastern Ukraine many to the capital. But there's one area that's been very very difficult for Westerners to get into and that is the separatist area of Donetsk Don Bass Lugansk. These are the territories. The essentially. We've applied a number of times and they will lot let Canadians will not let Westerners in So in order to get that sense on the ground we had two of our team that had Russian passports and so they Indian to A very dangerous area right around. The capital of the self proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic into the the largest city of donuts and and they talk to folks there we followed it up with other conversations with them but they were the ones who actually got the pictures right up to the contact line and this is a five hundred kilometer kilometer frontline that they have essentially between where Ukrainian government troops to the west and separatist troops to the east And we did this in the lead up to this big summit that they had with the President Vladimir Putin with Ukraine's president of Ludlow Vladimir's Alinsky and then the leaders of Germany and France ask and this was just a you know a week or so ago and the overwhelming sentiment that we heard back from. Donetsk was people just wanted this war to end. Conditions in the front lines were atrocious. I mean we talked to one family. Their kids couldn't go into their backyard. Because so often artillery artillery shells from which side of the line would fire minds and the minds would just end up on their streets in their backyard. And of course those blow legs is off people and and much worse Disney. Try Not to go into the garden because we can't predict when they'll begin fire. They say not a dagoes by where there's not gunfire not some kind of shootout happening and this has been going on for six very very long years ears and this is supposedly in a situation where there's a ceasefire there actually is a ceasefire there. But it's obviously not holding right. So the the overwhelming sentiment is just one of absolute fatigue and speaking of these kids I I imagine. Many of them are young enough that they have only Me Seen War and I know that your team also went to a school in spoke with some young children. And what did they tell them. Well exactly I mean if you're eleven years old and this has been going on for five and six years. The only thing you realistically remember is when there was war going on and of course the these kids lived almost right on the contact line. They had to walk along cleared street so that they didn't step in any land minds they they went in some cases under under armed guard and their life has been nothing but violence. So when you ask these kids you know what do they want just I want them to stop shooting. I want them to rebuild all the homes. I want people to walk around with miles. I want people to stop dying take. These are very basic emotions that these kids feel. You can understand why they would be so precious to them because it's not something that they've experienced really in their whole life and I know that your team also spoke to some older women who have actually moved underground for their safety can you. Can you tell me but this bunker that they're living in this is crazy. I mean these women are older. They're all in their seventies their their husbands For you know a number of different health reasons and so forth died before they did and and they've they've really come together in this odd community just outside of the main capital of Don yet but they. They can't go back to their homes because their homes are right in the line of fire. They are so shellshocked. Their lives are so traumatized by the violence around them that they literally have moved into an old Soviet era bunker gone underground and this is where they've set up beds. The bunker already had running water so they have like some sanitation facilities. But there's no heat. So these poor women literally cluster around each other all night and they have spent three of them told us they have been down there as their sixth winter. They've spent down there because it's just not safe for them Up Above and I and I found it quite striking because their loyalties were quite divided yes couple longs to Ukraine was Ukraine's still is when you she wants to join Russia. Maybe so but I don't. Russia will wanted some of them were clearly on the separate aside some of them clearly. We were fed up with the Ukrainian government clearly wanted nothing to do with those people And yet others clearly just wanted the war to end in for these breakaway republics to go back back to Ukraine. But it also didn't really seem to matter like they just wanted the fighting and I want peace to come because we can come out of here so people will live so kids can have a normal life soon. Go to sue for four. Do you think that these women are like a microcosm causam of of opinion broader opinion. Is this an example of how split the rest of the region is on the Ukrainian side. People will tell you well if the Russians just stopped funding this war if they stop sending arms to the separatist conflict would just end. That's the Ukrainian Indian point of view. And I think a lot of people in don yet feel that way but but my sense from you know what I can distill from the Officials sort of pronounce down there. You're still is quite a bit of support for the separatists 'cause A lot of people speak Russian. They think themselves as Russian what they are is annoyed because whereas Crimea was sort of absorbed into Russia and is now effectively part of Russia. All those crimeans. Amiens are now eligible for Russian passports. And they get Russian pensions. That didn't happen with these breakaway publix in in Ukraine so there's bitterness towards Russia because they feel feelable they they feel sold-out many cases. These people really are You know wanted by no one right. I couldn't help but notice that one of the women that your team team spoke to. She had doubts that Russia even wanted done yet. Oh well this is the thing. This is a very poor area. It's a post Soviet industrial wasteland. It used to be very very productive but you can imagine what six years of war has done to the economy there and Russia outside of Moscow is not a rich place they there. There's there's arguments in the streets here in many cases about declining pensions about declining cleaning standards of living and the last thing I think that The Russian government needs is another five million poor medians to look after and so. This is one the motivations. Perhaps it's brought Vladimir Putin to the table to talk to Vladimir's Alinsky of Ukraine. About what to do about this. Now you Putin doesn't simply want for the war to end on Dolinsky terms not what he's after faith but but the motivation to do something about these people to make make them. Not a pro. Russian problem would be one of Russia's incentives for getting this resolve. So let's talk talk about this a little bit You mentioned last week. Presidents Alinsky met with Russian President Vladimir Putin and and they met for the first time in a peace summit in Paris it was great strains it certainly looked like statium dogs laws name. The meeting was long and difficult but the mood of the meeting and was rather positive it is true and I want to make it clear. How did it play out? Well not a whole lot happened. I guess you could say the takeaways were that were positive. They agreed that they would try to implement the ceasefire now. They've been trying to do this for a number of years. Not Happen but you know maybe try a little harder. They agreed to do some exchanges changes in terms of prisoners and that that's obviously very good for the prisoners. We saw some very big prisoner exchange a few months ago leading up to this and this kind of pave the way if you will I think the biggest takeaway the best thing that you could probably save this is that at least. There's a process now to perhaps continue with these conversations. The former president of Ukraine Petro. Shinko was adamantly opposed to giving ground in any way to Russia. We are now together with our European the American and the world and we do not allow anybody to book us Ends Alinsky was elected back in March with a huge seventy something percent majority campaigning. On this idea that we're going to end this war so he has an awful lot of public support behind him but no one in Ukraine wants wants to see him sell the farm. Give everything away to Vladimir Putin in order to end this war and I think the real worry is that what the Russians may push for or in what they clearly are pushing for is they would retain some you know. Defacto control almost a puppet state mill in these breakaway areas. So that once they're reintegrated right into Ukraine. Russia gets its way and perhaps paralyze Ukrainian government it can veto things like future membership in NATO future membership in the EU and that's not what what Ukrainians want so. The Linski doesn't have a lot of room to move in spite of his You know big big election win. Are there any solutions as seem impossible here at all so I think there's three big solutions. I wouldn't call them. Solutions Three potential outcomes anyway. One is that this conflict could continue you to grind away as it has for many many more years to come. I mean just to give you an example. You said thirteen thousand people have been killed in six years and that's very true just in the last week it. Just since the Putin's alinsky summit there have been breaches of that ceasefire. There have been mortar shells raining down on the Ukrainian side of that ceasefire fire line. That's just in the last week but one of the possible outcomes is it that kind of thing keeps on happening. I suppose Ukraine could give up on this area area and just say fine. We're done with it. They could walk away from the whole separatist region that to me seems unlikely. dolinsky would have real political backlash so it does seem that at some sort of a deal eventually will will come of this but this may take a very long time and it's just going to be very sad for all these people that we've talked to. Because there's just isn't that much impetus for Russia to give up too much and the Ukrainians really can't and again it comes back to this four hundred million dollars. That's why when one of your biggest backers such as the United States suddenly looks lukewarm. Suddenly doesn't seem to be entirely committed. It really weakens your your negotiating position right and it gives the upper hand to Russia exactly and of course Canada's playing in a ruinous conflict as well. What have we been doing? Canada's been playing a very important role in this conflict Over the last six years we've given something like seven one hundred forty million dollars to Ukraine. We have two hundred troops right now. In the western part of Ukraine that are part of something called Operation Unifier where they train gene up. Ukrainian soldiers that they could then go to the frontlines and face off against the separatist soldiers. Canada's trade something like ten thousand Ukrainian soldiers soldiers and then again. You've got lots of support that we give in terms of governance fighting corruption all sorts of health policing a strong stable. Ukraine is is not only important for Canada. It's important for the entire world. It is essential that we preserve a rules-based international in order. And that's why we've extended Operation Unifier until twenty twenty. Two so candidate is one of the key western partners that Ukraine has and. It's one of the reasons why when Vladimir's key was elected one of his if not his very first stop wasn't the United States even though he clearly wanted to go there but it was Canada. I remember that when he came. I'm here it was over. It was in the summer. Chris Brown. Thank you so much. Thank you Jamie All right so yesterday was a marathon day in the US. House of Representatives as Congress debated and then of course voted to impeach the president. Here's a bit of what went down. The president and his men plot on the danger persists the risk is real bill. Our democracy is at peril. These facts are beyond dispute. The only question now is whether we are willing to tolerate such conduct when Jesus was was falsely accused of treason pontius pilot gave. Jesus the opportunity to face his accusers. During that trial conscious pilot afforded more rights did Jesus than the Democrats have afforded this president and this process that is all for today. Thanks so much for listening to front burner. I'm Jamie For More C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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Trump administration models corruption even as it scolds Ukraine

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

47:02 min | 1 year ago

Trump administration models corruption even as it scolds Ukraine

"The show weeknights at nine Mr Non. MSNBC I always think it's worth remembering and reiterating that while memorial memorial day is a very somber day in terms of commemorating Americans who have sacrificed their lives for our country Today Veterans Day is is a much broader almost purely celebratory occasion for everybody who has served our nation in uniform. I wish that we didn't have to work on Veterans Day. I wish that more people including US got the day off honestly but even though that part of Veterans Day has eroded and more and more of us are they're going to school or working on the stay seems like year after year. Fewer people get this day off but it is still a big freaking deal and a happy occasion ought to congratulate and thank and honor against celebrate our veterans so happy Veterans Day even though today is a federal holiday a big one. The News Recycle did not skip a beat. Either we are steaming of course toward the start of the first public impeachment hearings on the Ukraine scandal. The day after tomorrow Wednesday morning and there's a lot to catch up on in terms of that scandal and the developments around impeachment as we head towards that public hearing it feels like it's kind of piling up with each passing hour so let's just let's just jump right in and you know me. I always like to start with the weird stuff. So let's bring back my good friends friends. lebane- Gore Hi guys. These two gentlemen have been indicted by federal prosecutors in New York in a criminal case that is unfolding alongside inside the impeachment proceedings that are happening on Capitol Hill involving the president since these two men were arrested at Dulles airport with one way tickets to Vienna Their legal cases have diverged from each other a little bit. They were arrested together while they were planning to travel together. They initially had the the same lawyers and appeared to be mounting similar defense but they now appear to be sort of going their own individual ways and now lawyers for Mr Parnassus in particular. He's the one here on the left. The screen is more the keyboard player in Ebor. Moore's the drummer Mr The guy in the left. His lawyers now told The New York Times that this spring as early as the first part of May this year he live and eager went to Ukraine to tell the Ukrainian government that they were not going to get any military aid and interestingly they were not going to get Mike Pence at the inauguration of the new Ukrainian president unless the Ukrainian government coughed up investigations into Joe Biden and his son investigations instigations designed to help president trump in his twenty twenty reelection effort. You see the headline there in the New York Times. Poll Giuliani Associate says. He gave demand for Biden inquiry. Sorry to Ukrainians quote not long before the Ukrainian president was inaugurated in May and associate of Giuliani's journey to Kiev to deliver a warning to the country's new leadership that associate love Parnasse told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr Trump's political rival Joe Biden and his son or else or else vice president. Mike Pence would not attend the swearing in of the new president and the United States would freeze aid to Ukraine. What a world we live in will the vice president of the United States attend the inauguration of an important new national leader in the capital city of one of our key strategic allies? We're GONNA have to run it through. Live one of the guy who can broker that kind of thing. Is he with Ebor. Okay yeah of course. He's with regard are they. GonNa I mean what a world now. Do we believe that. Do we believe Mr Parties and this assertion that this is what he did in Kiev in May in his lawyer further author tells The New York Times that loves message to the Ukrainians quote was given at the direction of Mr Giuliani. Who Mr Parnasse believed was acting under Mr Trump's instruction do we believe that? Do we believe Mr Barnett says. He was doing in Ukraine and May of this year. I don't know I mean by the end of this administration are any of us ever going to be able to believe anyone ever again especially if they're associated with the highest levels of the US government. Will we ever regain our capacity to believe Salman when they speak. You know everybody else associated with the story says that we shouldn't believe left on this. Mr Giuliani says. He didn't tell love to say anything. Like Kheda and Ukraine the guy from the Ukrainian government who they met within Kiev says. Yes I did meet with Levin eager at that time in Ukraine. But they didn't bring up military. Terry a.d that Ukrainian government guy pointedly not bringing up the issue of whether they threatened to withhold the Mike Pence as well. It just doesn't address that part of of it for himself or at least egos lawyers. Who are quite a Dream Team? Now his lawyers are one of Paul Manafort's lawyers and one of trump's Russia lawyers. John Dowd eager admits through those lawyers. Yes he did go to Ukraine with love for that meeting in early May and yes. There was a discussion in Russian over coffee at a cafe in Kiev between him and love and a guy from the Ukrainian government he concedes all of that but says that no none of these threats threats were delivered. Not At least the way that left characterizes them and again I mean who you GonNa believe do you believe. Do you believe anybody who asserts anything in the middle of this scandal. I mean trying to sort out. Competing claims among associates of president trump and his lawyers is like trying to hold onto your lunch money at a pickpocket convention without a money belt. Good luck opium stashed in your sock. Because anything that was in your pockets is going to be gone so I don't know whether we should believe these guys in their competing claims as to what exactly they were doing in this extortion campaign and when and who was delivering what message but love says he was over there in early. May saying you're not getting your aid. And you're not getting your Mike Pence unless you cough up investigations of Joe Biden. And here's the thing. The military aid to Ukraine did get held up and Mike Pence did cancel his plan to go to the inauguration of the new Ukrainian president and the explanation at the time. For why Mike Pence did that was a little weak and a little weird. The vice president's chief of staff said that Mike Pence's trip to the Ukrainian inauguration Asian was canceled because nobody sent the advance team to check it out. The Secret Service didn't go over there in advance to planet and so oh Mike Pence went to Canada instead of going to Ukraine when that was their explanation for why he didn't go whether or not it was the fault of the Secret Service of the vice president's advanced team failing to launch and failing to set up the logistics for that inauguration for whatever reason Mike Pence did not go just as love. Love allegedly threatened at that meeting in advance of the inauguration. Pence in fact didn't show up. But you know who did show up you know who the. US government did send to to that inauguration in place of Vice President Pence. They sent this guy. They sent energy secretary. Rick Perry who you may recall somewhat inexplicably quit his job all of a sudden as energy secretary as soon as this impeachment scandal started to break open. Well a remarkable new story from the associated. Press today today we learn a little bit about what Rick Perry did when he went over there. For that inauguration against Mike Pence again Mike Pence was initially scheduled to go. That was canceled. Under strange range. Circumstances Rick Perry went instead. And what did Rick Perry do while he was there. Well honestly it just sort of brings it home. My God what what Must Ukrainians think of us. I mean we've been so condescending and patronizing even pushy with them about how corrupt they are right when it comes to just the inauguration nation of their new president who ran on an almost purely anti-corruption campaign when it comes to the inauguration of their new anti-corruption president. I mean in the New York Times today. There was the story about how the Ukrainian government was threatened that the vice president of the United States wouldn't come to that inauguration unless he could set a less the new the government could satisfy these guys love ebore that Ukraine would would help try to get trump reelected by cooking up some fake investigation into Joe Biden when Vice President Pence indeed cancelled his trip to that inaugural the Ukraine instead gets rick. Perry who according to the today basically brought his own u-haul full of gripped to that first date quote to political supporters of US Energy Secretary. Rick Perry secured a potentially lucrative oil and gas exploration SPLUR- ration- deal from the Ukrainian government. Soon after Rick Perry proposed one of the men as an advisor to the country's new president quote Ukraine awarded the contract attract Perry supporters a little more than a month after Perry attended zilenski inauguration in a meeting during that trip during the inauguration Perry handed handed the new president a list of people he recommended as energy advisors. One of the four names was his longtime political. Backer Michael Blazer a week slater blazer and his partner submitted a bid to drill for oil and gas at a sprawling government controlled site in Ukraine. They offered millions of dollars less us to the Ukrainian government than their only competitor for those drilling rights but nevertheless their newly created joint venture won the won the Gig they. They were awarded a fifteen year contract because a government appointed commission in Ukraine. Said they should get the same reporting team at the AP AP led by Reporters Desmond Butler and Michael Biesecker. They've previously reported that as as early as the beginning of May as early as the first week of May this new president elect in Ukraine had convened his advisors to talk about all the pressure he was getting from the trump administration to gin up some sort of investigation into Joe Biden. I mean this guy is newly elected newly elected on an anti-corruption platform. His country has been invaded by Russia. His country is in an ongoing war with Russia Shah. We're their most important political ally in the world where their biggest source of military support and he upon getting elected even before he's sworn in he's simultaneously getting pressured to open investigations into Joe Biden as a political savior for US President Donald Trump. He ultimately gets pressured that he's not going to get a White House. Meeting that military aid could be held up that the vice president who's initially is supposed to come to his inauguration that's going to get yanked. Meanwhile trump cabinet official does does show up at the inauguration and slips a piece of paper that says hey I got these buddies who are really into oil and gas A.. Who You got some government control bids going rick? Perry goes over there for the inauguration and uses that occasion in this context to put in a word for these two guys both of whom are big political donors owners to Rick Perry including the guy who owned Rick Perry the use of his private jet for one of Rick. Perry's presidential runs. Perry goes over. Are there on May twentieth for the inauguration of the new Ukrainian president elect and that's how he spends his time while they're trying to get his political donors owners a Gig of oil and gas drilling gig with the new Ukrainian government and that weeks later the Ukrainian government bites the bullet. And it's like okay. Rick Perry your friends can have fifty year oil and gas contract on government owned land here in Ukraine even though they offered many millions of dollars less than the Ukrainian cranium companies that bid for it. I guess we have to give them to you. We're lecturing about corruption right but even instill the US assistance this crucial. US assistance to Ukraine was held up and over the course of the past twenty four hours. We've had a whole bunch of new information filling in the gaps as to how that happened and when it happened and how people inside our own government started to figure out what was going on there because today the impeachment committees released testimony from Laura Cooper who is the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia Ukraine and Eurasia. You might remember. Her testimony happened the day that Republican trump supporters orders in Congress stormed the skiff. They stormed into the secure hearing room. That's reserved for classified briefings and classified testimony. They took over the place even they didn't have clearance to be in there. They like ordered pizza and broke security and mounted the stunt in there for hours and hours to physically blocked the impeachment proceedings from going ahead. Laura Cooper is the Pentagon official testimony got delayed that day for five plus hours because of that stunt but ultimately she did testify and we got the transcript of that testimony today and in that transcript. We get this really interesting window into her bewilderment. As a senior Defense Department official responsible responsible for that part of the world we get a sense of sort of her bewilderment and shock about this crucial. US Aid to Ukraine being held up it was for example Cooper's office at the Pentagon that put together the announcement that Ukraine was about to get their long planned delivery livery of US military aid this from her transcript. Today Cooper says quote by mid June we had announced. And we're moving out on it question okay and when you say by mid June. We'd announced it. Are you referring to the June eighteenth public released by the Defense Department answer. That's exactly what I'm referring to thank you question. Were you involved in the issuance of that public release answer answer yes I coordinated on the content of it quote. I believe that my staff helped draft it in consultation with our public affairs staff and they provided me with the draft for review and I approved moved quote question and that release essentially said that the Defense Department was planning on providing two hundred and fifty million dollars to Ukraine and security cooperation funds. Is that consistent. Stint with your recollection of the release. Answer yes that would be the gist of it question. And what was the effect of this release on June eighteenth by the Defense Department answer well one effect was is that the Ukraine embassy and the Ukraine government thanked us for making that public. They'd been looking for a public acknowledgement of the assistance. Not because this was unusual appreciate it when allies publicly note. What kind of support? We're providing Ukraine so that was an immediate reaction. We got a thank you phone call from the Ukraine Embassy. Our team in Kiev at the Defense Attache Office heard appreciation quote but the second potential effect was that a few days later we got a question and from my chain of command forwarded down from the chief of staff asking for follow up on a meeting with the president question. who was this email from? You mentioned the chief of staff off answer. Yes it came through a number of people before it reached my desk. I don't recall exactly how many people but it came from the chief of staff to the Secretary of Defense in our building question but you indicated. Did you thought this might come from the White House. Answer the way the email was phrased it said. Follow up from meeting so follow up from a meeting with the president so you now now. I'm thinking that the questions are probably questions from the president. That's how I interpreted that subject line. So June eighteenth right. This is the senior Pentagon official with responsibility for Ukraine. And it's clear like she and her office think this is normal. This military aid has been approved. It's gone through all its clearances. They go through the trouble of publicly announcing it but then there's a public announcement of it and so then. They got the questions from the president from a meeting with the president. Not just a White House meeting. The president has questioned about this. I mean again. Normal normal chain of events here. The military aid is going to Ukraine. Ukraine is delighted Ukraine says. Thank you for saying something publicly. Your your support means the world to us. We thank you phone call but then the president hears that. This aid is going to Ukraine and they get this series of questions right wait a second. Why is the president concerned about this? Dun Dun Dun and then in July it all starts to fall apart July eighteenth lower cooper censor deputy to a White House meeting at that meeting. It's it's announced that the White House has ordered a hold on some of the US government's aid for Ukraine. At this point Laura Cooper the Defense Department official seems to be sort of hopeful that even if the other aid is held up to Ukraine the aid that goes through the State Department Arment at least the military aid is still go through right now. Five days later on July twenty third cooper herself goes to participate in a White House meeting. She's increasingly concerned because she still hasn't heard anything specifically about the military funds but that other USA. That's supposed to go through the State Department. She she at that. Meeting starts advocating for the release of those funds because those funds are important to wire those being held up and sure enough July twenty fifth day of the call between president didn't trump and the president of Ukraine. Here comes the hammer. She gets a legal document at the Defense Department explaining that in fact the military aid is being frozen to on orders from the White House and the day after the phone call July twenty six. She's backup at the White House for another meeting. And Al- ambiguity is gone quote quote and there. It was to me anyway. In my experience it was the first time it was stated. Very clearly that yes. It is both the military funds and the State Department funds that are both affected by this hold and that relates to the president's concerns. What kind of concerns? The president's concerns about corruption. Oh yes president. Trump is very concerned about corruption. See that's why he sent Rick Perry over there to go to the inauguration with that piece of paper in his pocket with the names of his political donors donors that he wants to get in on that fifty year. Ukrainian gas contract woo because the. US government's really concerned about corruption in Ukraine Ukrainian government their very corrupt so this testimony from the senior Pentagon official. We've just got the transcript of it. Today now indicates that it was the president's instruction that was holding up both the US aid for Ukraine from the State Department and the US aid for Ukraine. The military aid from the Defense Department and Bloomberg News has some detailed and fascinating new reporting about how half of that gottfried up how the State Department side of that gottfried up in a previously unreported corded classified memorandum to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo State Department lawyers reportedly found that the White House had no legal standing to to block the spending of the Ukraine aid because they had no legal standing to block it. The State Department in early September freed up that aid to go to Ukraine apparently without telling president trump that they were doing so the State Department reportedly internally concluded that it was illegal to not send over those funds since two Ukraine before mid-september ultimately the person who ordered the State Department to pull the trigger after they'd conducted that legal analysis appears to have been John Bolton from the national security adviser quoting from Bloomberg quote shortly before September Ninth John Bolton had relate a message to the State Department that the funding could go ahead. It's not clear whether Bolton did so with trump's approval Fulton resigned from his job one week later. That's how the State Department aid gets freed up. The lawyers lawyers conclude that it has to go legally and then John John Bolton says yeah let it go then he quits his job now. The rest of the funds military funds Laura Cooper the senior Defense Department officials. She indicates in her testimony which we just got today that it also appeared to be quite illegal for trump to be withholding that part of the funding to she says in that meeting where it finally became crystal clear that the president had ordered the withholding of both the State Department money and the military money. She says quote in that meeting deputies immediately began to raise concerns about how this could be done in a legal fashion quote. The comments in the room at the deputies level reflected a sense that there was not an understanding of how this could legally play out the expression in the room that I recall was the sense that there was not an available mechanism to simply not spend money. That in the case of the State Department Department had already been notified to Congress and in the case of the military assistance was money already earmarked for Ukraine so the senior leaders were expressing that they did not see how this option Kevin was legally available. So you put all this together and I mean what we've got in all of this reporting and all of this testimony released right ahead of the public impeachment hearings that started the day after tomorrow. What we got is that while the president and his amazing cast of characters were working into pressure the Ukraine government that they had to announce investigations into the Democrats and into Joe Biden? Right while that was happening. The president will simultaneously Tena Asli ordering the withholding of aid to Ukraine. That was supposed to go through the State Department and aid to Ukraine that was supposed to go through the military and in both instances his efforts to hold up that that money and not disperse it appear to have been illegal which both the State Department and the Defense Department were well aware of and we're actively discussing including in at least one classified metal that they were using to advise at least one cabinet secretary at the time and while guys like Energy Secretary Rick Perry will working out their side Hustle to get their campaign donors drilling contracts from the new Ukrainian government well. The Ukrainian government was desperate for our assistance and support. And where remember the. US government is very concerned that these Ukrainians might be corrupt. We really need them to up their game when it comes to corruption because Perry's coming in somebody somebody needs to get paid when when when one you it's cabinet official Rick Perry's working his side Hustle for his campaign donors right and the vice president of the the United States may or may not be having his time brokered and his overseas trips vetted and approved by Levin Eager and haplessly and desperately in the middle of all of this mission Gos- from this administration. There's Ukraine invaded invaded by Russia. For whom we are the most important ally and the most important source of support including specifically the most important source of military support and people inside the US government who understand what that country is going through and why we support them and how important that is to us and them. I mean they're at their wit's end they can't quite believe this. This is happening the way it's happening. Here's here's Laura Cooper quote so dod. The Defense Department was concerned about the obligation of funds policy. My team we were also concerned learned about any signal that we would send Ukraine about a wavering in our commitment. That's another reason why I mean we did not want for this to be a big public discussion. You know if we were about to get it turned back on again because we didn't want to signal any lack of support question. Why would that be a problem for Ukraine answer so the first and easiest way to answer answer that is by looking at the peace process? Ukraine is trying to negotiate a peace with Russia and Ukraine is seen as weak and if they are seen to lack the backing of the United States for their armed forces uses it makes it much more difficult for them to negotiate a peace on terms that are good for Ukraine question okay so it would weaken an ally that being Ukraine is that correct answer it would weaken strategic partner question and it would potentially strengthen or embolden Russia answer that is correct it also got testimony released today from two other Ukraine experts in the US government. Christopher Anderson on the right Catherine Croft on the left both National Security Council officials. They both testified right about this odd period in. US history that they lived through in their jobs this year. We're all of our previous support and all stated. US policy to Ukraine was suddenly unle upended or weirdly. Put on the bubble. Catherine Croft is asked about the sort of upset the anxiety in Ukraine that it would become known that the US hospice maybe not supporting them anymore. Particularly against Russia question. I think you said that word of that. Word of this whole military assistance got to the Ukrainians and to to Ukrainian officials reached out to you quietly to ask you about this. Hold Kroft answer is yes. That's right question now. You said these two Ukrainian embassy officials you understood that they had no no interest in this becoming public. Is that right answer. That's correct that's correct question. And why would they not want this to become public answer. Because I think that if this Republican Republican Ukraine it would be seen as a reversal of our policy and would just to say sort of candidly and colloquially this would be a really big deal it would be a really big deal in Ukraine and an expression of declining. US support for Ukraine question. So as long as they thought they could work through whatever was causing causing the whole they wanted this to remain out of the public attention. Answer exactly so the pressure on Ukraine to investigate estimate his political rivals to help him his reelection effort. That's what the president is being impeached for. And we will have public hearings on that subject starting to after tomorrow that said the effort. Quick to put some real muscle into that pressure. By holding up legally appropriated funds from both the State Department and the Defense Department those efforts appear to have been illegal or at least judged as such by officials and experts inside the State Department and inside the Defense Department who were scrambling to figure scrambling to figure out what to do with these illegal instructions. But on top of all of that I mean the damage that we've just done to our ally right Ukraine's Ukraine's standing particularly when it comes to their ongoing war with Russia and the appearance of their strength and the implications of that for their negotiating position in with Russia while they engage in negotiations with them over an ongoing war. I mean that damage is done. That damage is done and even though this whole scandal is so ham handed handed to be laugh out loud funny every day right including Rick Perry over there bringing the anti-corruption message of the government and the trump administration to bear. That's on one side of the card. We're on the other side of the card. He's got the names of his campaign donors because he needs them to get their contract from the Ukrainian government when we're putting almost unbelievable. Well existential pressure on them. Here's a US cabinet official being like. Hey Hook up my buddies from that to Levin Ebor and in Russia Giuliani and all the rest of these guys through all of the other clowns in that particular clown car. It's ridiculous right. But then there's a real country in in the middle of a real war with thousands of their citizens dead right in the middle of all of this and the damage done to them to to our ally an ally that really needs our help against an Adversary that has invaded them. Taken part of their country and that means nothing but harm to us. That repair work obviously cannot even begin again as long as this administration is still in office now that we understand this much more about how they are conducting themselves. It's not just about praising Vladimir Putin having secret communications indications with them all the time it's this is what we are doing to our closest ally who is at most danger from Russia's every move. This is what we've been doing to them not threatening to do it. We've done it and unless this president is removed in this impeachment process. That repair job is going to be job. One for the next president of the United States if he is not removed by this impeachment process. We start that repair until he's gone some other way. Whoever replaces him? We'll have that as has day. One job one as the cleanup for what this guy's already done contour from Cox has all your favorites all in one place and with the contour remote you can use your voice to fund them on live. TV On demand and streaming APPs like netflix prime video and more see Cox dot com for details as we head toward the first public hearings and the impeachment of president trump. We got new testimony released least today from a senior Defense Department official and we got new reporting from Bloomberg News about how officials in the State Department and the Pentagon tried to cope with these decisions by the White House to hold up State Department assistance to Ukraine and hold up military assistance to Ukraine both on orders of the White House. Even the both of those holds appear to have been illegal on top of that we also got news about the trump White House twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen holding up the provision of Javelin missiles to Ukraine and holding them up not at that point in exchange for some investigation. They wanted about Joe Biden. No they held up the javelin missiles in two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen for a different reason. This is from today's newly released testimony by State Department official Catherine kroft quote the Javelin the provisions one of the Javelin missiles in late two thousand seventeen early twentieth eighteen. Do you recall whether there was ever a holder freeze put on the Javelin answer. There was a process and there was one hold. There was one agency that put a hold on that decision question. which was that agency answer the Office of Management and Budget in the White House question? Did you understand why answer I. I understood the reason to be a policy one question. What was the policy? One answer in a briefing with Mister Mulvaney out of the office management budget the question centered around the Russian reaction question. What was the concern around? The Russian reaction answer that Russia would react negatively to the provision of the Javelin to Ukraine question. What was the reaction to that concern from the other agencies answer? I don't know that I can provide that information in an unclassified setting question okay. Is there any way to provide it. Broadly answer well. Can broadly. Say that all of the policy agencies were in support question and you mean in support of providing the Joplin's answer Kroft. Yes correct joining us now. Illinois Congressman Mike Quickly. A member of the House Intelligence Committee Sir. Thank you very much for joining us. I appreciate you being here. Thank you so. I'm drowning and transcripts but I know that you've been through all of these things live I wanted to set. Read that one setting winging up this discussion with you. Because I was struck by that sort of bald-faced testimony that the White House made the decision to hold up javelin missiles that were otherwise is due to be delivered to Ukraine and that all agencies believe should be delivered On White House concerns that Russia might mind. Here's what's questioning What's Mick Mulvaney doing making that decision when he's ahead of him be That's extraordinarily unusual. Leads me to believe that Mick Mulvaney Dany wasn't making that decision in his role. It was making that decision based on something The president was saying or doing which is more consistent with the rest of the policy in Ukraine. The reasons that they state that they're doing clearly aren't the case. Well Miss Croft goes on to suggest in her testimony that this direction and she seems to have been under the impression. That's this direction on this javelin missiles came from the president It is hard for us. I think from the vantage point that we have as has observers people who've been reading the transcripts released by the impeachment committees. It's hard for us to discern how many people were acting of their own volition and how many people were acting at the direction of the president. Is that something that you feel that you can discern from your perspective on the Intelligence Committee without being able to depose people like Mick Mulvaney people like Rick. Perry people like Rudy Giuliani. It's tough but let's look what's in the public record. You Have Malvinas admission into this whole point You have the White House called transcript. He have the Volcker text. You have all this Testimony here that you piece together and the bottom line is there's there's absolutely no way this takes place all the things that we're learning about the extortion of one of our closest allies without the president of the United States dictating adding that when these Gang of three or four go to the White House and talk about the new president in Ukraine. The President keeps saying over and over again and Talk to Giuliani so clearly. The shadow government of foreign policy. They're talking about Has set aside the established cream of our diplomatic corps so they can do the president's bidding to help him politically congressman. I think a lot of people are wondering when we should expect the public airings that start on Wednesday to be just a public version of the kind of discussions that you all have been having behind closed doors or is that we can read these transcripts of now are for Americans who have been sort of aware that this is going on watching the headlines but not following it closely should should. We expect that people tuning in Wednesday to watch those hearings Paying attention to this closely for the first time that they'll be able to follow this in basic terms starting from from square one. Are you guys picking up where you left off with. These closed door depositions. Well I think there's a reason that In a jury trial they don't just hang out depositions in a civil case. There's a lot to be said for watching these people testify. And what struck me about them was they were Clear clear they were consistent. They were compelling and I think that they showed The truth of what they were saying I think it was very hard to bump them off their game and I think that will help. A great deal is the American people watch their testimony. We're going to have to public hearings this week sir. Do you anticipate that'll be a pace going forward. We'll have a couple of hearings per week and it'll go on for a little while. Do you have any sense of the overall timeframe here look at some of this has to go with what time hi I'm allows We do have a time crunchier. Unfortunately one we didn't create because of the White House is obstruction here and the fact that so many of their witnesses were not allowed to testify. I look back at Watergate The article three of the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon dictates four times in which which Richard Nixon obstructed that investigation. We saw that happen once in one day. They obstructed four times where four people were supposed to testify testify that that did not because the White House told them not to. All of these witnesses were told not to many of them had the courage of their conviction at come forward. This is compelling compelling testimony only a small percentage of the American people had read special counsel's report on what took place with Russia Far for more people watch these hearings as they took place. I'm hoping we have the same effect here coming this week. Carson quickly member the Intelligence Committee Sir. Good luck this week. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you all right much more tonight. Stay with us. One of the landmark hearings in Congress. This year was the marathon the testimony from president. Trump's longtime attorney Michael Cohen during which Cohen made allegations of serious criminal wrongdoing by the president from before the campaign all the way up to through the White House that was the oversight committee and Congress Salsa the Oversight Committee that launched an investigation into trump's immigration policy and family separations at the border was the oversight committee that was spit that has been relentless on the president's alleged efforts to use the presidency to his own financial advantage whether it be sending vice president didn't pence to President Trump's Gulf resort in Ireland during his official visit to that country or the president's pitch to host world leaders at the g seven at his own property and Miami all of those oversight responsibilities all conducted under the leadership of that committee's Chairman Elijah Cummings and that was even before war that oversight committee took a central role in the ongoing impeachment proceedings against the president. The loss of chairman. Elijah Cummings would be hard at anytime but it has been an incredibly heavy thing to lose a leader with such gravitas. Someone was such a clear ethical core at a critical time. Like this people will look back at this moment and they will ask the question. What did you do and hearing him? We would be reminded that it falls upon each of us to give voice to the voice and comfort to the sick an opportunity only to those born to it and to preserve and nurture our democracy. He had little tolerance and for those who put party ahead of country or partisanship above truce. But he could find common ground with anyone willing linked to seek it with him and he liked to remind all of us that you can't get so caught up in who you are finding writing that you forget what you are fighting for now. It is true that he dictated in every aspect of his service today and he would have told me I don't WanNa service at the. US Capitol. But I felt like very strongly strongly that they were trying to tear him down and we didn't have to make sure that he went out. What the respect and the dignity that he deserves in this was a man of most integrity our our community? He the last woman you heard from. There's Maya Rocky more coming. She is congressman. Elijah Elijah Cummings is wife and now widow. She has always been an impressive figure in her own right. Most recently serving as the chair of the Maryland Democratic Party she spent more than two decades. Okay it's working in the public and private sectors including at the National Urban League and the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation and now in the wake of her husband's passing. A lot of people are wondering whether she may run for the seat in Congress that was left by her beloved late husband. My Iraqi more Cummings joins us here for the first time next. Stay with us. Please welcome to the show tonight mile rocky more coming. She's the widow of oversight committee chairman. Elijah Cummings this is her first television interview since the passing of her husband. Dr Rocky more. Cummings thank you so much much for being here. Real honor to have you here. Thank you for having me on Rachel so your husband was a very very valued guest here. Whenever we could get him we would talk to his staff and we'd always get like a twenty percent chance or twelve percent chance or some minor chance that he could join us on whatever we could? We'd hold a spot for him in the hope that he could be here We miss him both his role as a leader. And this is somebody we could speak to whenever we could. I can't imagine that this hasn't just been the most difficult time in your life this this past month. It's been a very challenging time. But I gotTa tell you we watched you every night Rachel Even if he wasn't on he was watching so just know that that he appreciated you as much as you appreciate him. Oh that my heart swells Thank you for saying so. I WanNa talk to you tonight in part because I know that you've spoken with the Baltimore Sun recently about some of your own news about your own your own health and your own status but also. I believe that you've been doing some. I'm thinking about your own plans and the status of your husband's Seton. I just wanted to to invite you to share some of that with us so tomorrow I will announce that I will be running and for the Congress The seven Congressional district of Maryland. I believe very strongly That you know I have the background and the focus and the commitment and the ability to take the reins and to make a good run for the seat I thought right alongside Elijah for the last twelve years and we knew each other another ten years before that and so I've been on this path For fighting for the soul of our democracy for fighting for health care education education For a better America for all and so he wants he wanted me to continue this fight. And I'M GONNA continue this fight and run the race and prayerfully early win so you and your husband talked about this before his passing he was enthusiastic about the idea of carrying this. And trying to take this burden on for yourself. Yeah we you know. We've been discussing this for quite some time. Because he had been ill for quite some time and he had been pondering his future and what would happen up into the seat so about six months ago we were talking and he said you know I I really do think you should take this seat and so with that you know. He would've of expected of me and I'm going to continue the fight. The fact of the matter is is. I've been fighting all along. You know I've had a track record of working on issues. Like Social Security Medicare a healthcare and economic security and certainly technology. Even and. So you know I was in the forefront of the battle to take on George W Bush when he tried the privatize the system. I've been working hard in the trenches at every level of government to advance policies that help working families and so I am prepared and ready ready to roll up my sleeves and address. What Baltimore needs? Baltimore is a city of great potential but it has lopsided economic outcomes lopsided offsite healthcare outcomes a lopsided educational outcomes and the poorest people the Black and Brown population of the city and certainly surrounding areas are in need of somebody who's willing to launch what I call an inclusion revolution. Someone who's really really ready to tackle the the structural challenges that are facing the city and the surrounding areas. I believe that a better future as possible for Baltimore and so I'm looking forward to bringing everything that I got to make sure that we have a better future feature for the city and the region doctor comes. I wanted to ask you about this conversation that you had with the Baltimore Sun this week that you plan to have a preventative. Double Mastectomy This week which is a remarkable decision must be an incredibly momentous decision for you at the same time. You're making this huge decision about your future. Can you talk a little bit about why you chose to go a public with that decision and and how serious this is for you so let me just first say that this was scheduled before running for office was ever consideration before four Elisas health took a really bad turn for the worse he went with me to the doctor's appointment where I got a consultation about this option and he agreed and begged me several times before he passed away to prioritize myself. And so with that I decided to keep even though he passed away and even though this race is now before me I decided to keep my promise to him and I will keep this appointment on Friday where I will do this. I should tell you that my mother died of stage. Four breast cancer in two thousand fifteen. My sister was diagnosed with Stage two last year. She's my little sister diagnosed with stage. Two she had a double Selecta me. And now I WANNA get ahead of the curve and take the basically the bull by the horns and stopping in his tracks before it ever begins. So I'm GonNa do this the way I'm going to do. It is by moving forward one step at time one day at a time that being said I although it will take two to four four weeks in terms of recovery. I will be laser focused on making sure that I am active making sure that my campaign is strong. That I'm doing everything that I need to do to fundraise. And of course this focus on social media and the things that I can do to have a presence even while I'm not physically able to be out in the community Dr Mayer Rocky more. Cummings thank you so much for talking with us about about all these matters and stay in touch with us. We'd love to We'd love to see you to keep us apprised as you go through all these decisions. Thank you so much for being here. Ma'am thank you my for Congress Dot Com. Well done. We'll be right back. Stay with them when you see people lining up outside outside the US Supreme Court cases on the way the people who lined up today outside the quarter planning to stay all night. Tonight's they can get a seat inside the court tomorrow morning for Orel arguments over Dhaka. The Obama era program that protect seven hundred thousand young people in this country from being deported. The trump administration is try and and that program. They want to deport all the dreamers but lower courts thus far have rejected that trump decision as arbitrary and capricious and so the question now goes to the supreme in court one of the young dreamers. Martine Bataille Vidal the bus from New York to DC. With his mom today. He's one of the named parties in the case. That's going to be argued. He's he's GonNa be there tomorrow inside the court for arguments. He told the Associated Press today quote. I don't know what is going to happen. Whatever the outcome is? We know that we have fought hard for it and we will continue. Can you fighting. I'm trying to be positive in terms of governance. This case has potential to impact how far the president can go and rolling rolling back established policy of all kinds if this was done in an arbitrary arbitrary and capricious manner and the courts going to block him from doing so. That might mean a lot. In terms of other policies that were treated in the same way but in human terms in terms of what happens now for literally hundreds of thousands of young people in this country the supreme import case on Dhaka and the dreamers. Tomorrow it's as big as it gets not hearing scheduled to start at ten. Am Eastern tomorrow or all over it. Watch this space. That does it for US tonight. We will see you again tomorrow. The show we screen on MSNBC new meet the press that Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. 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What The Bidens Actually Did In Ukraine

"From The New York Times unlikable borough. This is the daily yesterday. We looked at the origin of president. Trump's theory that Ukraine not Russia meddled in the two thousand sixteen election one of the two theories that he Ask Ukraine's president to investigate today. Trump's second theory it's Wednesday November twenty awesome so when trump goes on Fox and friends on Friday for this long long stream of consciousness phone interview. He reiterates his theory. Totally debunked theory about the Ukrainians and not the Russians tacking into the DNC servers. And then he also brings up this other theory. So Mr President. The the the the accusation is this that you're using aide taxpayer dollars to attack a political opponent in Joe Biden and that has to do with Joe Biden. His son Hunter Biden and their work in Ukraine vocal is a Washington correspondent for the Times. And I will tell you this about Joe Biden. I never I never said it specifically on him but I watch Joe Biden with the prosecutor who a lot of people said was a great prosecutor and they took him up and he was prosecuting that company and the kid who never made ten cents in his life and all of a sudden is making millions of dollars that they can. What exactly is the president's second in theory here about the violence would trump alleges? Is that Joe Biden. During his time as vice president pressure the Ukrainian government to fire their top top prosecutor essentially their attorney general because that prosecutor was pursuing an investigation into this energy company and Ukraine. That was paying Hunter Biden as a board member and that the reason why Joe Biden pushed for the firing was to protect Hunter Biden and his employer to the theories. Basically the vice president does a favor for his son in the form of official action in Ukraine correct. Okay so where does the story behind behind that claim begin. You GotTa go back to twenty fourteen forty four year old hunter Biden Vice President. Joe Biden's youngest son was discharged from the navy. Aby Reserve Hunter Biden a Yale educated lawyer and had dabbled in various business. Ventures Biden was given a routine drug test which he failed had just been discharged from the navy reserve after testing positive for cocaine. Going a drug test. It was the honor of my life to serve in the US Navy. And I deeply regret and am embarrassed that my actions led to my administrative discharge and at this point he and some partners are starting to explore floor. International Opportunities and one of his partners gets this Gig on the board of this Ukrainian gas company that is looking for some western earn political connections and Hunter Biden and asks if he can get in on this as well and he is brought onto the board of this company. And it's out of the. US vice-president Vice President has joined the board of directors of Ukraine's largest private gas producer. Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of burris MMA Holdings this company is called Barista Holdings it does primarily natural gas and it is bringing onto its board a number of folks with big political names in the West and one of them is Hunter Biden. He is paid as much as fifty thousand dollars or even more in some months to serve on the board of this company and extensively to help it with governance reforms to sort of introduce Western corporate governance standards into this company. Aw and how clear is it. Can that the reason why hundred is coming onto the board is because of his family connection. I mean is it more or less explicit. This is definitely the message that everyone in Ukraine and and Washington takes away from it as to why Hunter Biden is brought onto the board. You know his defenders point out that he had in fact served on other boards including the Board of Amtrak where his dad famously has a lot of connections in cloud but he doesn't really have much other applicable experience. That would suggest that he is otherwise the ideal candidate to serve on the board of a Ukrainian gas company. He doesn't have any experience in Ukraine or Ukrainian law or even in energy. Okay so what do we need to know about Berea smut at this moment. Hundred arrives on the Board Burris. MMA has faced allegations of corruption including many that are embraced race by the West and by the State Department which sees it in many ways both the company itself Burris Ma and the oligarch who owns the company as poster poster children for post-soviet corruption in Ukraine can. Do we know if Hunter Biden understood this. When he went on the board if he had done any due diligence you would think that he should have known there? Were certainly investigations that were already ongoing both in Ukraine and in the West into the oligarch who own the company on suspicion of money laundering and those investigations had support from the United States government. And that is where Joe Biden comes in. What do you mean we United States? Stand with you. And all the Ukrainian people will Joe Biden at this time as vice president nine and one of his key foreign policy tasks that he takes on at the assignment of president. Brock Obama is to help Ukraine stand up to Russian aggression. It is not just a foreign policy. Judgment is a personal as an emotional commitment as well and one of the things that is seen as an impediment to Ukraine establishing a stable government is this scourge of corruption that has long played it and is seen scene is limiting its ability to attract international investment and to be a stable government that can mount a response Russian aggression. And when is he given that assignment. I mean it comes pretty much at about the same time as Hunter Biden is going onto the board of this Ukrainian Ukrainian Gas Company in early twenty fourteen. So that's kind of complicated. It is and it certainly would provide rationale rationale for this Ukrainian Gas Company and its oligarch owner to want to have a powerful Westerner who is seen as having connections chance to the Obama government. which at this point is pushing Ukraine to clamp down on the very type of corruption that this oligarch and his company is seen as embodying? Does anyone raise the question of whether this is not a great idea that Joe Biden is suddenly investigating getting corruption in Ukraine around the same time that his son is now on the board of a major Ukrainian energy company that is accused of corruption. Yes we know that. There's a guy in the State Department by the name of George. Kent who had deep experience both in Ukraine rain and in fighting corruption it served as the anti-corruption coordinator in the State Department's European Bureau and he does raise concerns about Hunter Biden joining the board of Burris MMA and how Hunter Biden's position could affect Vice President Biden standing as a corruption shen fighter or the leader of the US effort to push Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. But a decision is made that father and son can simultaneously. Do these two things. It actually appears as if the decision was to not make a decision and to not address this George. Kent tried to bring this to the attention of the vice president's staff and was essentially told that Vice President Biden did not have the bandwidth to address this at a time when he was dealing with other family issues particularly his son Bobin his other son struggling with brain cancer. Okay so what exactly does vice president. Joe Biden do during this period in his role as the guy in the Obama Administration. WHO's trying to root out corruption in Ukraine? What does it actually look like? Well Biden focuses on two areas that are seen in the West as bastions of Ukrainian corruption. One is the energy sector and the other is the judicial system The international community entity has long seen the Ukrainian judicial system and particularly the prosecutors. There in as one of the key problems that perpetuate Ukrainian corruption these prosecutors have long been known for using the threat of prosecution to essentially solicit. Bribes comes from potential targets of corruption. So they are not only not prosecuting corruption. They are in fact participating in their own brand of corruption. This was one of the key things that Joe Biden and trained his sights on when he went after Ukrainian corruption dotted so a company would basically pay off the prosecutor prosecutor and the prosecutor therefore wouldn't really prosecute yes and the guy who is seen as emblematic of this type of corruption. Is Victor Shokhin. He's the prosecutor general of Ukraine. It's essentially like the attorney general of Ukraine. And what makes this complicated though. Is that one of the folks who shokhin is not prosecuting. Because it is believed he is using the threat of prosecution to solicit bribes from is none other than the oligarch Lagarde who owns the company Burris Holdings that is paying Hunter Biden to serve as a board member And this is why some of the folks in the State Department had flagged this as a potential concern that could undermine Joe Biden's ability to drive this message and be seen as a credible messenger jour- when in his own house under his own roof. There is someone who is working with a potential target of the type of prosecution that Joe Biden in his trying to encourage the Ukrainians to pursue. Okay so what does Biden ultimately do about thank you very much. Well Biden privately pressures the then president of Ukraine to get rid of Shokhin and he actually goes and gives a speech that gets. It's a lot of play Ukrainian parliament but addition you also have about urging them to clamp down on corruption against corruption is not enough to set up a new Anti Corruption Bureau and established a special prosecutor fighting corruption. The office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform. The judiciary should be overhauled. Overhaul the energy sector needs to be competitive ruled by market principles. Not Sweetheart deals. That doesn't really do the trick. Maybe the Ukrainians are starting to move in this direction. But they don't actually actually take the steps necessary to fire Shokhin and what Biden does is he threatens to withhold one billion dollars in. US loan guarantees to Ukraine If the so then president doesn't act to get rid of Shokhin choosing that in order for Joe Biden get rid of this problematic prosecutor. He is threatening to withhold money from Ukraine which feels like now familiar concept. It certainly does have a certain familiar rank to it. But what's different in what Biden and did from what trump's team did is that what Biden was doing was actually carrying out the official policy of the United States government which was to push for this as prosecutors ouster and to use a combination of diplomatic carrots and sticks in order to achieve that end and one billion dollars in loan guarantees is certainly a rather big carrot or stick depending on which way you look at it right right and did it work on Tuesday twenty nine. Th of March acquaint acquaint water to grant consent by present proportion to dismiss prosecutor. General Viktor Shokhin. Eventually it did. It's not totally clear. What Role Biden and the loan guarantees? Aren't tease played in it versus the mounting pressure from the international community and other international western landers eventually who was leaving the system of corruption in prosecutor's Office cannot reform it showcase appointment mistake then. President does take the steps chiefs to get the parliament to officially aalst Shokhin and what does Shokhin's ouster mean for Barista. This company that that Hunter Biden sits on. Yeah I mean you might think that this would be really bad for breweries. Ma if it is widely regarded as a corrupt company or getting rid of a corrupt corrupt prosecutor who could be bought off from bringing prosecutions against targets of corruption. That if you get rid of that guy and bring in someone who is going to be more of of an anti-corruption crusader that the potential targets of corruption prosecutions like Burris. MMA might be really in a bad spot but in fact it turns out to be a lot more complicated than that. We'll do they back support for this podcast and the following message come from e-trade investing. Your money shouldn't require choir moving mountains no matter how much or how little experience you have. e-trade makes investing simpler and for a limited time. Get One hundred dollars when you open a new account with just five thousand dollars. It's all about helping your money work hard for you. For more information visit each trade dot com slash learn more e-trade securities. LLC member SIPC. Hi I'm Scott I'm von and we make all the videos over at NYC. Cooking thanksgiving is coming up and it is the biggest day of the year for us at MIT cooking king. This year we set out with our cameras to record. Our columnist Allison Roman as she cooked Thanksgiving meal for ten of her closest friends. I'm making a regular size Thanksgiving in a a very small kitchen. She treats Thanksgiving party. She doesn't set her table. I asked my Turkey on a sheet pan in my tub. Her drinks are served also in the Bathtub Tab. She makes the menu that she wants to make. I don't have potatoes on my menu because it's nine and I don't like sweet potatoes and if you don't want to be potatoes on your menu you don't need to put sweet potatoes on your menu at MIT cooking. We want to provide that inspiration for you to build your own menu shape to your tastes your cooking level and your ambition so just head on over to N. Y. COOKING DOT COM slash Thanksgiving and gin spire. She's coming out boy feel like I'm having a baby obviously never had a baby. I know this is not as hard as having a baby amy. So can you say that the aftermath of Joe Biden forcing out. This prosecutor was more complicated than it seemed for for this company. That employs Biden's son. So what actually happens. Well Barista actually welcomed this new prosecutor and the chance to work with because they thought that if this prosecutor subscribed to Western approaches to jurisprudence that they would be able to convince this prosecutor later by giving him evidence that in fact these allegations against Barista and it's oligarch owner were baseless so you're saying that Barista thanks things if we play by normal rules and we have a regular old prosecutor. We can get cleared of these charges because in their minds they're not actually corrupt. Yes and this is very important to them at the time because they are trying to expand and pursuing western investment and the cloud of these corruption investigations Gatien's that Shokhin had hanging over them was sort of a hindrance to them so they welcome the chance to have a new prosecutor who they believe they can convince convince that the allegations against them are off base and should be dropped so what ends up happening to smile once. This new prosecutor is welcomed in to kind of take a look around well. Baristas sends in a team of very well compensated very highly regarded American lures. NPR folks to meet with the new prosecutor and and while the new prosecutor initially takes something of a hard line against Burris man forces them to pay some back taxes or fines eventually after ten months the new prosecutor announces that he has fully closed all of the legal proceedings pending criminal allegations against the Oligarch doc owner of Burris man and his companies and the new prosecutor announces that the oligarch owner of Barista is being removed from the wanted list so the oligarchy. who had been in exile return to Ukraine so this all ends up pretty well for Bruce Ma the elimination of this corrupt prosecutor? So should we then assume that Berea was perhaps never corrupt in the first place. No I don't think that we can assume that. In fact the anti corruption activists in Ukraine Ukraine really decried this decision to drop the cases against Barista in its oligarch owner so in Ukraine. At least as well as in some mcquarters in the State Department it is not in any way viewed as a clean bill of health for Barista Aura oligarch owner so. I want to summarize everything you just told me. And hold it up against against president. Trump's theory a theory that Vice President Biden did what he did as a favor to his son wants. His son is on the board of braces so so in reality fighting freshers Ukraine to fire somebody who is widely seen as a dirty prosecutor who seems to be basically holding companies. He's including Barista hostage and taking bribes in order not to investigate them. And in pushing out that prosecutor Biden sets in motion a series series of events that conclude with an investigation of Berea. SMA coming to an end. Even though from everything you're saying the company is still seen As corrupted do I have all that correct yes okay. So in. The End Biden takes an action that does benefit burri SMA and less directly his son indirectly having the new prosecutor does benefit burris man. It's all dark. Owner and hundred does remain on the board of Burris MMA until this year but I think this is where we get into questions of intent and there is no evidence that it was the intent of Vice President Joe Biden to take this action to benefit burris. MMA let alone his John. So can we say that this theory that the vice president did what he did in Ukraine to help his son. Can we say that it is is false. We can say that there is no evidence that Joe Biden acted corruptly to help his son in Ukraine looking for corruption this tremendous corruption. We're looking for. Why should we be giving hundreds of millions of dollars to countries his when there's this kind of corruption and if you look at my call I said you know corruption? I think he said it to me. He's looking he got elected on the basis of corruption. And I also also by the way I'm struck can about what we can say definitively here versus what we can say definitively about the president's I theory about crowd strike and Ukraine hacking the DNC servers that theory draws on fabricated facts and is thoroughly approvable well and has been disproven this second theory about the Biden's it draws on real facts but there's no evidence of it and it's not really just provable. Does that make sense. It's yeah it's a lot more complicated. It's a lot more nuance. There are a lot more facts and there is a fact pattern that did trouble employees in the State Department at the time and then subsequently as it's gotten a lot more attention has trouble ethics experts who say that the Biden's did not do a good enough job addressing concerns about conflict of interest. Now all that said it does not mean that trump's theory that biden acted corruptly they to benefit. His son is correct. There is no evidence of that to be one hundred percent clear. It seems like booth Joe Biden and Hunter Biden put themselves in a position where people could later question their motives and their judgment because either hundred should not not have been on that board at the time that his father was taking on corruption in Ukraine or his father knowing that his son was on that board should not have taken taken on corruption in Ukraine. Yes that's right and what's interesting. Is that the way that the Biden sought to address this and to avoid these conflicts conflicts of interest is by expressly. Not Knowing about what one another. We're doing other words. Joe Biden said he did not want to know anything anything about one hundred and was doing in the private sector because how could he be doing anything in his job as vice president to help us on if he did not know what his son's entrust were. Now there's a you know argument to be made that that's not really a good way to inoculate yourself against these concerns. The Way to inoculate yourself is to know about route one other doing so you can avoid these potential areas of overlap. So can I wonder N.. What is the power of these two theories that the president resident has pursued here about Ukraine and see and Ukraine and the Biden's in the impeachment inquiry especially as it enters the final final crucial weeks? These two theories are why we are in the middle of an impeachment inquiry the fact that president trump pressured crush heard the Ukrainian government to pursue investigations into these two theories is for Democrats a justification for removal from office the very definition of the type of high crime and misdemeanor that is justification for removal from office. And that's how Democrats have been talking about these theories as debunk conspiracy theories and we'll continue talking about them as impeachment proceeds and for Republicans who are trying to defend trump. He's kind of making their life more difficult here because while ah they see there. Being some validity in the theories that he's pushing about the Biden's they see this theory that it was the Ukrainians and not the Russians who act into the DNC Z.. Servers as totally crazy many of them most of them I would say even privately. They'll say this. They wished that he would stop talking talking about it because they think that this dilutes the argument that they can make that there was a legitimate corruption concern that president trump was urging the Ukrainian government to pursue so they prefer the Biden theory vastly to the DNC server server theory. Yeah that's right. And they think that despite the way that the president has misrepresented the Biden Theory and ascribed motivations that cannot not be substantiated to Joe Biden that nonetheless. This is a theory that could be politically helpful to the president and politically damaging the Joe Biden and that is among the reasons why we are going to continue hearing the Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and from Republicans for as long as these impeachment proceedings. Go Ah We'll do right back. What if your email that you see projects entire history and not just the messages sent to you? What if everyone else on? Your team could see it as well then. It wouldn't be the email at all move communication from inboxes two channels in slack instead of seeing a partial set of messages about project everyone in slacks. He's exactly the same thing and moves work forward faster slack. Choose a better way to work get started at slack dot com. And here's what else you need. Ten Times reports that president trump had already been told of a whistle blowers complaint about out his dealings with Ukraine when he released four hundred million dollars in military aid to the country. The reporting offers a potential motivation ovation for the president's decision to unfreeze the money and raises the possibility that trump might have kept withholding the money as part of a quid pro quo had the whistle blower not complained about his actions. That timeline is likely to become a focus for impeachment investigators and on Tuesday. The impeachment inquiry entered a new phase with the judiciary committee saying it would hold its own public hearings next week following hearings in the Intelligence Committee. The Judiciary Committee said it would convene a panel of scholars to discuss the constitutional grounds for impeaching trump and invited the president's legal team to participate so far. There's no word on whether the president's lawyers will do so. That's it for the daily. I'm Michael Bavaro. We'll be back on Monday. After the Thanksgiving holiday meantime later today will release a new mini series series from N. Y.. T. Audio called jungle. 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Bonus Edition: Laura Cooper and David Hale vs. the Committee with No Bull

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Bonus Edition: Laura Cooper and David Hale vs. the Committee with No Bull

"I'm Elena Kagan and this is the law fair podcast. Bonus addition November twenty first two thousand nineteen the evening testimony on November twentieth extended ended into the night. So we're bringing it to you today. The House Intelligence Committee heard from Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper and Under Secretary of State David Hale. We've taken out all the grandstanding and all the repetitions that you can just listened to the portions of the testimony that you need to hear. It's the law fair podcast. Ask Bonus Edition Laura Cooper and David Hale versus the committee with noble that concludes my opening statement. But before answering your questions and there is one other matter I would like to address. I testified in a deposition before this committee and other committees on October twenty third two thousand nineteen at that time. I was asked questions about what I knew about. When the Ukrainian government may have learned about any hold hold on Security Assistance Funds? I answered those questions. Based on my knowledge at that time since my deposition I have again reviewed in my calendar and the only meeting. I recall a Ukrainian official. Raising the issue with me is on September fifth at the Ukrainian Independence Day celebration and I have however since learned some additional information about this subject from my staff prior to deposition testimony I avoided discussing my testimony testimony with members of my staff or anyone other than my attorney to ensure that my deposition testimony was based only on my personal knowledge. My my deposition testimony was publicly released on November Eleventh Twenty Nineteen members of my staff. Read the testimony and have come to me since then and provided additional personal information specifically on the issue of Ukraine's knowledge of the hold or of Ukraine asking questions about possible issues with the flow of assistance. My staff showed me to unclassified emails that they received from the State Department. One was received on July twenty fifth at two thirty one PM. MM that email said that the Ukrainian embassy and House Foreign Affairs Committee are asking about security assistance. The second email was received on July twenty fifth at four twenty five PM. That email said that the hill knows about the FM F- situation to an extent and so does the Ukrainian Manian Embassy. I did not receive either of these emails. My staff does not recall informing me about them and I do not recall being made aware of their content. At the time I do not have any additional information about precisely what the Ukrainians may have said what may have been their source of information about a hold or any possible issues with the flow of assistance. Or what the State Department officials may have told them. My staff also advised me in the last few days of the following additional fact that may be relevant to this inquiry again. My staff does not recall informing me about them and I do not recall being made aware of this on July third at four twenty three. PM They received an email from the State Department stating that they had heard that the C. N. is currently being blocked by this apparently refers to the congressional notification vacation state would send for Ukraine. FM F. I have no further information on this on July. Twenty fifth a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy. Contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance because at that time we did not know what the a guidance was on USA. I the O. M. B. Notice of apportionment arrived that day but the staff member did not find out about it until until later I was informed. The staff member told the Ukrainian official that we were moving forward on USA. I but recommended that the Ukraine embassy check check in with state regarding the FM F- sometime during the week of August. Six to ten a Ukraine embassy officer told a member of my staff that Ukrainian Ukrainian official might raise concerns about security assistance in an upcoming meeting. My understanding is that the issue was not in fact raised again. I I have no further information about what concerns about the security assistance. Ukraine may have had at that time my staff also recall thinking that Ukrainians were aware of the hold on security assistance during August but they cannot pinpoint any specific conversations where it came up My told me they're aware of additional meetings. Were they saw officials officials from the Ukrainian embassy in August and they believed that the question of the hold came up at some point but they told me they did not find any corresponding email or other records words of those meetings. Consequently neither they nor I know precisely when or what additional discussions may have occurred with the Ukrainians in the month of August. I if I had more details on these matters I would offer them to the committee. But this is the extent of additional information I have received since my deposition and Mr Chairman I welcome your questions I will answer them to the best of my ability. Thank you I now recognize myself for five minutes And I want to begin by asking you Cooper about what you just informed us of to make sure that I understand the importance important. What you're saying as early as July twenty fifth the same day president trump spoke with presidents Alinsky on the phone own and Ask for this favor The same day that presence alinsky thank the United States for its military support and signalled. There was ready to purchase more javelin on that date You got inquiries staff got inquiries from someone at the Ukrainian embassy Who was concerned about the status of the military assistance? Is that correct sir. That's correct I would say that. Specifically the Ukrainian embassy staff staff asked what is going on with Ukrainian security assistance. And do that Not that they were concerned that something wasn't fat going on it. Yes and you receive. I guess your staff received more than one inquiry on that day. What was the other the nature of the other in Korean? Joie twenty-fifth sir. The that was the one inquiry to my staff but the other Points that I had raised were eat males reflecting outreach to the State Department so Ukraine embassy was also constant contact in the State Department to find out about out It's portion of military assistance. Yes Sir and was that Simile A concern about what's going on with our military aid it was similarly a question about what's going on with security assistance and your staff or one of the other department staff also heard in August additional inquiries from Ukraine embassy about a potential hold up in the military assistance. Sir I want to be careful about how I phrased this My staff recall having had meetings with Ukrainian embassy representatives during the month of August. And they believe that the topic came up at some point during those meetings but they don't recall the precise date or specifically weekly. What the the nature of the discussion? But your staff at least Glean from those conversations that Ukrainian embassy was aware that there was some kind of the hold on the assistance. So the way I would phrase it is that there was some kind of an issue. Yes I'm mm-hmm now cooper the third witness For Committee who has testified that the CRAIN's found out about your problem or hold on the skirt assistance prior to it becoming public. But you're the first to indicate that that nickelback as early as the date of the president's call presence Alinsky. Let me move to a related issue in August. You testified in your deposition that you met with Kurt Volker. I believe it was August twentieth. Hold on security. Assistance was still in place. You testified that Ambassador Volker told you that if he could get some Linski to make a public statement quote that would somehow somehow disavow any interference in US elections and would commit to the prosecution of any individuals involved in election interference. It might lift the hold on security assistance. Is that correct sir. I believe that I Testified that it was my inference that that would Lift the hold on Ukraine's security assistance. And that was your inference because at the time you were talking about the whole unsecured assistance. That's correct the first part of our conversation. Jason was about the hold unsecurity assistance and it was during that portion of the conversation that he brought up the effort to get this public statement. It was during that conversation. I'm not sure I would say it's during fat part of the conversation. What else did you discuss in the conversation? The only two topics topics that I recall are the urgency of lifting the the hold on security assistance. And then him relaying This separate diplomatic convert That I had previously been unaware of so. You don't have any discussion about any White House meeting Sir I. I don't recall specifically talking about the White House meeting but we I've had many conversations about the desire for the White House meeting So it's likely that that was the part of the conversation but the two things you do recall are the you talked about the hold on Distance and that he brought up this this public statement that they wanted Linski to get that he thought might be useful. That is correct. Sir Her Mr Ratcliffe thank the gentleman for yielding ambassador. Hail Ms Cooper. Thank you both for being here In his opening ranking member Nunez Reference President Trump's general skepticism providing aid and the amount of foreign aid being provided to foreign countries. Would you agree with that. Characterization Master Hell We've often heard the State Department that The President United States wants to make. I'm sure that Foreign Assistance is reviewed scrupulously to make sure that it's an truly in US national interests and that we evaluated continuously to meet certain criteria area that the president's established in since elections fair to say that president trump has looked to overhaul. How foreign aid is distributed? Yes the NFC launched a foreign assistance review process Sometime I think it was late August early. September twenty eighteen nine and throughout both his campaign administration. President trump has repeatedly sought to reframe frame reframe American foreign policy in economic terms and as he described America first policy and consistent with that. Well before there was a whistle. Oh blower talking about a pause on aid to the Ukraine the president had expressed genuine concern about providing. US foreign assistance to that point. Is it fair to say. The president isn't has wanted to ensure the American taxpayer money was being effectively and efficiently spent outside of the United States. Yes that is the broad intent of at the foreign assistance review among other goals and has the president expressed that he expects our allies to give their fair share of foreign aid as evidenced by a point that he raised during the July twenty fifth. Phone call with President Linski to that effect. The principle of greater burden sharing by Allies and other like-minded states is an important element of the Foreign Assistance Review Fair to say that in the trump administration. US aid is withheld from foreign countries for a number of factors for it. And you've testified in your prior Testimony that it is normal to have delays On aid may have said it that way but certainly in occurrences ernst does occur in the past year. Ukraine was not the only country to have aid withheld From it is that correct correct in the past year was eight held withheld from Pakistan. Yes Sir why was withheld from Pakistan because of unhappiness over the Policies and behavior the Pakistani government towards certain proxy groups that were involved in conflicts of the United States and in the past year was eight also withheld from Honduras. Aid was withheld from The three states in central Northern Central America yes pastures aid withheld from Lebanon. Yes Sir and when aid was I held withheld from from Lebanon. Were you given a reason. Why with helm no so having no explanation for why aid aid is being withheld is not uncommon? I would say it is not the normal way that we function but does happen. It does happen and and it's true that when aid was being withheld from Lebanon. That was at the same time aid was being withheld from Ukraine director. And you've testified. The aid to Lebanon still hasn't been released is that right. That is correct. All right but the Ukraine was released on September eleventh. Correct I read. Ah Yes so. It's fair to say that aid has been withheld from several countries across the globe for various reasons and in some cases for reasons that are still unknown. Just in the past year. Correct Sir so Has Been made that president. Trump's Ukraine policy changed When there was a pause in the aid aid was withheld? Is that accurate statement. That was not the way I understood things to be happening at the time we were not given an explanation and in terms of our policy in terms of aid Ukraine. You've described it as very robust are a Ukraine. Yes as evidence by president. Trump's policy decision to provide lethal defensive weapons javelin Evelyn missiles it was very robust Yasser and that was a decision that president trump made a present the prior administration President Obama had not done lethal weapons had not been provided to Ukraine in the Obama administration correct. I was involved in Ukrainian affairs during the Obama Administration so I don't feel competent to address that and when Ukraine was put on pause. I believe you've testified that there may have been and concerned by Secretary Kent and by Ambassador Taylor that was contributing to a potentially negative effect on US Ukraine relations. Do you agree with that. Well the State Department position was to advocate for the continuation of that assistance As an important element in fact a key element of our strategy to support Russia at the support Ukraine against Russia. Times missed cooper our constitution. It's the Congress not the president that controls the power the purse correct. Yes Sir and the Security Assistant. That was the assistance that was authorized. To Ukraine was authorized and appropriated rated by the Congress. Correct yes sir. So Congress is also concerned about corruption at wants to ensure that American foreign assistance is spent wisely does not worse than corruption and so when Congress authorized this money it built in conditions just as Mr Ratcliffe suggested by Law Ukraine. Wouldn't get all the money until it demonstrated that it undertaken substantial anti-corruption reformed Ms Cooper under the law. The Department of Defense Works with the State Eight Department and other agencies to establish anti-corruption benchmarks in determine whether Ukraine has sufficiently met those benchmarks correct. That's that's correct that provision pertains to the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. And that's not that's a legally specified process that's not the president in the Oval Office manifesting testing a general skepticism of foreign aid right. That's a process it is It is a congressionally mandated process yesterday. So did that process take place lease for the DOD funding that was held up in July so the process that took place for the certification took place place prior to the May certification to the US Congress so by the time. President Trump froze the the department of Defense had spent weeks if not months determining that the Ukrainian government met every requirement in the law and made significant strides Ed's in combating corruption is correct as correctly made that determination in May now in my remaining thirty seconds. Just so that people understand what I referred to in the Nineteen Seventies Richard Nixon just arbitrarily decided. I don't know it was because he had a general skepticism of foreign aid or what his motives were. But Richard Nixon decided to hold hold up congressionally mandated aid and as a result Congress went to work and pass the impoundment control act of nineteen. Seventy four which prohibits hits the President from withholding congressionally appropriated funds without the approval of Congress for any reason. Is that correct is Cooper Cooper. Sir I am not a lawyer but that approximates my understanding of the provision of comic con with Dod Certification was not uh corruption writ large throughout the entire country of Ukraine. It was narrowly focused on defense institutional reforms and combat capability. Isn't that correctness cover. That's correct sir. So the certification in May didn't really speak to the broader concept of corruption throughout the rest of Ukraine that the president would be familiar with the Russia was will be familiar with sir. The May certification was specific to the defense sector defense industry and it did reference our friends the importance of civilian control of the military relates which relates more. Broadly to Robert like all of us would argue. None of us would argue that that fixes corruption throughout the rest of the country. Screw up or maybe shed some light on the specific details. We talk about this Security Assistance Program. Two hundred fifty million. Some would argue that because the pause is that people died in August. Because of the pause can you help us understand. Exactly what obligated and was there. Things that we're about to be delivered to your crane was Ukraine out of ammunition addition where they out of out of javelin out of all this stuff that because of this pause they didn't get a certain lethal equipment that they needed in order to protect their folks during the month of August. Sir We will deliver all of the Shraga Times it. It there was no shortfall In equipment delivery is That were expected within that timeframe. Obligate means that you're putting the funding on contract. Okay let's not trusting starting the process contrary fulfilled fourth quarter branch or whatever. It was sir I have to say I'm policy official I am not a contracting experts but my understanding is that we will be able to make up for lost time contracting prostitution. When did you actually find out about the hold on? The Ukraine assistant was July twenty first. Yes I in the deposition deposition that I did the closed hearing I misspoke. I was confused. Confused June twenty-first which was one win state for sent up to the congressional delegation. Oh and before clearance it was only after about July eighteen and I think the twenty-first is when I heard that there was a potential hole. Thank you for that clarification. Now did you attend on July. Twenty six deputies meeting Deputies Committee meeting that occurred yes I did was also your understanding that the president directed the whole. We were told in that meeting by the representative that they were objecting to proceeding with the assistance because the president had so directed acted Through the chief of Staff Acting Chief of staff. What was the State Department's position regarding the whole state? Department advocated as I did in that meeting for proceeding seating with all of the assistants consistent with our policies and interests in Ukraine. You believed what you said. You believed in the release of the whole yes. I did did anyone at the interagency meeting at the end of July support the home. Did anybody want the hold remain. And if so who. What Agency Agency only agents the only agency represented in the meeting that indicated that they supported the hold was oh? Mb Miss Cooper did did you understand similarly that there was an overwhelming interagency concern consensus to lift the hold and that. Oem Be the director show. The president was the only roadblock. Yes ma'am how is the security assistance in the national security interests of the United States. What is our interests? Explain that to my constituents in Alabama who are wondering why we should care about the security. The whole. That's on the security assistance. Yes ma'am this. Specific assistance helps build the capacity of the Ukrainian armed forces. And it's important to understand that that these are forces that are fighting to defend themselves against Russian aggression every day. It's an ongoing war. So they do need this equipment wittment To support their ability to defend themselves and I would say there's a larger issue here that relates to US policy on Russia. We we believe it's very important to strengthen the capacity of Ukraine in order to deter Russian aggression elsewhere around the world. Exactly were you ever able to get a reason why that hold was on. Did you ever get a reason. No Ma'am the only thing that I heard about it. But this his again you know second third hand was that the president was concerned about corruption. But that was all I ever heard so would you. Were you ever provided any additional information about the reason for the whole. No Ma'am I thank you. I yield the balance balance of my time to the chairman. Thank the gentlewoman My colleagues minority asked to Mister Hale. Listen Common Almond have holds on military aid and I think you said they're not unusual. Would you agree though that it would be very unusual to play a whole military aid in order to leverage a foreign country tree to get them to investigate a political opponent. Yes and I take it. You would agree that that would be completely inappropriate. That'd be inconsistent of the conduct of our foreign policy in general would also be wrong. Wouldn't it certainly not what I would do. This Carson Would you say that. Ukrainian forces were outmatched by Russia's military in critical ways absolutely are the Ukrainian forces now completely self-sufficient sufficient in your mind essentially in their ability to deter Russian aggression. Necessarily they have a long way to go Would you say that the Ukrainian armed forces now now compare now completely self-sufficient or how how much of an impact does the US need to have in terms of that deterrence and how critical was relationship between Ukraine in the US surly Ukrainians are on the right path to be able to Provide for their own security but they will still need U S and allied support for quite some time and they need that support in the form of tangible double assistance As well as a political and diplomatic support. So this question is to the both of you. Why was Russia's illegal annexation shen of Crimea so significant in your mind cooper? Russia violated the sovereignty. Auburn T of Ukraine's territory Russia illegally annexed territory that belonged to Ukraine. The also Denied Ukraine access to its naval fleet at the time and to this day. Russia is building a capability on Crimea designed signed to expand Russian military power projection far beyond the immediate region in twenty only fourteen Were there concerns in Washington here in Washington and European capitals that Russia might not stop in Ukraine. I was not in my current position in two thousand fourteen but it is my understanding that there was significant fear about where Russian aggression would stop. So what what what about today if if the US were to withdraw its military support of Ukraine. What would effectively happen? It is my belief that if we were to withdraw our support it would embolden Russia it would also invalidate Russia's violation of international law and which country stands to benefit the most would stay in the benefit the most from such a withdrawal draw. Russia wants to so one of the things on page three tonight time about meeting July twenty six and after if they you said I was aware the National Security Community expressed unanimous support for resuming the funding as in the US national national security interests correct. He said that tonight trek sir. So I guess I take a little question with resuming because we you don't want to resume as is would that be correct because as is not include javelin sir. I'm I'm not sure I'm following. The previous administration. Javelin were not provided even though they could have been president. Obama Obama stopped the jae-bin's he could have delivered javelin. Let's put it that way. I think I should clarify what I meant by that. Statement resuming was just referring going to the fact that Owen be placed a hold on the assistance so we weren't spending okay and I wanted to resume the spending okay. Well that we could maintain pain. This policy maintained the strain taking the policy. But I guess what I'm asking there is a difference and I think undersecretary hail you might. I thought I saw you nodding adding the difference being that as it's resumed in this case now it included javelin which the Obama Administration Asian denied. Is that correct. It is true that The trump administration approved the release of of Defensive lethal assistance to include javelin whereas the previous administration did not support that policy spear nothing really changes from May until September. That would then trigger the release of the money except a whistle blower. It came forward. Ma'am I do not know what triggered the release of the funding alright differs says I see it in and Ukraine as compared to these other countries is that Ukraine is engaged in the hot war with Russia right now and it seems teams that withholding. That money was irresponsible. Considering that they had made all of ah taking steps to meet all the conditions that we had requested of them and Congress had appropriated the funds that not the case. Ma'am I okay. And my dod colleagues advocated strenuously for the release of these funds because of their national security importance. There's a question about these emails. Emails I think. They claimed withholding described withholding the eight and they had come from Capitol Hill or from someone on the Foreign Affairs Committee. Is that true sir. Are you referring to my statement today or something. I believe this is previous question. We had previous. Are you aware of such. I'm sorry I don't think I have enough information to make an assessment. Is it from a particular page in my deposition. No is just reporting that. We've heard that there may have been communications bullet with you with someone on the Foreign Affairs Committee on the hill is that is that not true at there may have been communications with me. Email with you sir. I am not I I am not aware okay. Thank you for clarification blow. Someone may have ask you queried you from the Ukrainian embassy. Chrissy about the withholding of aid is that true. Did you hear from them Sir. I testified earlier that The communication from the Ukrainian embassy was to my staff off and my staff mentioned this to me after my deposition The only specific communication that I recollect with the Ukrainians about this specific issue was on leave. It was September fifth at a reception at the Ukrainian embassy and just board on that. Just slow was that just a query generally about the forthcoming eight or was specific regarding them being aware that the aid was being withheld surges to be clear the September fifth conversation that I had was specific to The hold their they. There was an awareness of that and there was a question of concern. Okay thank you. Do you think it was right. The president trump would would test the word I think used previously that he would test presence of inskeep ski prior to To providing some of the security systems the president's Alinsky was new. I had met him in February. I was impressed impressed by him but I think it was understandable for the administration as a new president in Ukraine was coming to office to understand better what that president's policies would be attitude toward the United States quickly. Did the State Department or Department of Defense ask you for your information or you. Do they coordinate with you to get information when you have sir I was Told not to not to destroy anything and our Our our IT IT personnel have been collecting. Documents is my understanding so that that occurs without Without the individual having to they were collecting it and passing it on state or is that correct and sorry Sir were you said your department was collecting it. Would they weren't passing that on to so you. There were passing it on to the State Department of Defense. This is what they reported to me. I have not seen the documents that have been collected wanted. I only know those documents That I have produced or that my staff has brought to my attention that I have received so no I do not know what has happened with the documents that have been collected. Same general question to you sir. I requested and was granted access to the documents that either originated or that had been sent to me that were relevant to the pertinent matters of this investigation during finite time period I don't have early. The information about what else is going on in terms of other documents that I did not produce sort of I did not receive I. There is a move to gather them and I understood generally indirectly and informally that they have been gathered. That's the extent of my knowledge is not my area of responsibility. We s but did they pass them on to you you or did they pass them on to the administration and somehow the only documents I received. Sir were those within the parameters I described what I requested and which was those and given the documents either produced or that were sent to me relevant to the matters. We're discussing today. The STEFANIK MS Cooper. I wanted to start with you. You spoke eloquently of the threat of Russia when it illegally annexed Crimea. How that's a threat? Not only to Ukraine. But it's it's also a threat to Europe and the United States National Security Challenge and I sit on the House Armed Services Committee. We know that the most important support for Ukraine crane in terms of lethal defensive. Aid is in the forms of chaplains. Would you agree with that. Yes ma'am and which administration were those Java's made available to Ukraine Ukraine this administration the trump administration and not the Obama Administration that is crack both of you. Have you ever spoken with the president. About Ukraine aid aide no not Undersecretary Hale testified that you had no direct knowledge of any Gina Ferris motivations to withhold aid to Ukraine correct correct. And to your knowledge. You testified that there were no strings attached to the aid correct correct. That's page one. Eighty four of your deposition no such knowledge and more specifically you testify that you had no knowledge of Ukraine aid being held up for investigations. Is that correct during the temporary hold of security assistance. This was until ambassador. Taylor sent you the cable you had never even heard words Barista or Biden correct well in the context of what we're discussing and you also testified that when you served as Zim Basler to Pakistan security systems was also held for their failure to conform to our concerns regarding terrorists and other issues on the Afghan Pakistan border correct. You testify that this review had been going on for quite a while and the administration did not WanNa Take Jacob business as usual approach to foreign assistance of feeling that once a country has received a certain assistance package. It's something that continues forever and you continued. The program had to be evaluated that they were actually worthy beneficiaries of our assistance that our program made sense that we avoid nation building strategies. He's in that we provide assistance to countries. That are that are lost in terms of our policy to our adversaries that correct. That's correct and you testified. Hi that you warmly. Welcomed this assistance review for it was just well. It's your testimony. Now that after an employee came forward to you you you believe you have some evidence that the Ukrainians I inquired about security assistance to someone in your office on July twenty. Five of this year is that right. That's correct July. Twenty five is also the day that president trump officially talked presence. Alinsky where investigations of the Biden's brought up is that right so riley what has been reported that publicly on this and that was reported is that right that's correct second this president as a champion of anti-corruption. Your testimony today is that on May twenty three you certified. That is far as it related to your duties. Ukraine had met the corruption concerns for the aid to be released. Is that right. So the Defense Dance Department certified and after that date inexplicably the president of the United States puts a hold on security assistance. Is that right. That was what I heard in July. Yes now this anti-corruption president who care so much about rooting out corruption and Ukraine. Did he ever call you after he. Put the whole to say Ms Cooper. What's going on in Ukraine? No Sir Ambassador Hell did he ever call you to ask about an update on Ukraine corruption. Option to your knowledge ever call your boss Secretary Pompeo. I don't know Ms Cooper. Did he ever call the many bosses that you've had at the department. The defense secretaries are acting secretaries. I don't know Sir now. As to the justification the justification is that the Obama administration only provided blankets so the Ukrainians should be grateful even after being shaken down that the trump administration provided more. But the truth truth. Miss Cooper is that under the Obama Administration and the European Reassurance Initiative one hundred seventy five million dollars were provided from. US taxpayer dollars to the Ukrainians. That right sir. I don't have data figure the figure that we typically use to say we've provided one point six billion dollars dollars to date but I don't have the breakdown in front of me. And the Obama Administration also trained five military battalions of the Ukrainians. Is that correct again. I don't have the the figures in front of me but yes. The training program began in the Obama Administration. And we did train. Many forces and under the Obama Administration founded Ukrainian security the assistance initiative provided to the Ukrainians Armored Humvees tactical drones night-vision devices. Armored armored vest a medical equipment is correct so sound like a pieces of equipment that were provided in the Obama Administration to my recollection. You'd degree that's a lot. More than blankets right. Yes Sir this to hurt you said in your deposition you just confirmed with my colleague from California that you certified on twenty three. May that the Ukraine aid for the the review of the their their defense industry the and Department of Defense was passed the corruption tests. Is that correct. kind of an intake per se Did this change. Or was there a reevaluation with the new president coming in because presence Alinsky was inaugurated in office two days before that date. Did that have an impact on how he was is going to continue some of those. Some of those pieces was that taken into account in this review not prior to May twenty third. No Sir so the review was basically done on the previous efforts done by the previous portion administration. Yes Heraldo it's important to note that the review related most specifically to the Ministry of Defence. Sure sure there were ultimately changes under the under these alinsky regimes correct. Yes sir. There's a new minister of defense. Can you explain I know. FM F- Foreign Military Financing Financing State Departments. But can you explain the different FM math and USA. I funding and also how the Ukrainians get Lethal aid. I'm sorry. Could you repeat the last part of that. Also how the Ukranian actually get lethal aid. Because his lethal aid covered under one of these two buckets so There's three separate pieces to our overall ability to provide equipment to the Ukrainian armed forces. The first is the foreign military finance system. which is A State Department authority and countries around the world have this authority. That authority is is used for some of the training and equipment there's also the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. That's Dod Authority. Unlike the State State Authority the Dod Authority is only a one year authority And then third there's opportunity for Defense sales and and that is something that we're working with Ukrainians on now so that they can actually purchase US equipment. What's the javelin specifically was provided under under FM F- initially and now The Ukrainians are interested in the purchase of JAVELINS. And there wasn't a hold put on purchasing retracing of equipment. Is that correct not to my understanding of Castro and I WANNA ask you Miss Cooper you said that the money was it's clear to go by the Dod on May Twenty third. Is that right. That's correct and it didn't get released until September eleven. Yes I should just clarify. Clarify the the second half of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative was notified Congress on. I believe it was may twenty third word and then there was a waiting period for congressional approval and then after that point so in mid June Roughly it was available for go perhaps ninety days or so ninety five days something like that and yes. I don't have the reminder in front of me that sounds right or you both testified that the hold on security assistance was not in the national security interests of the United States and that the whole might embolden Russian. We've heard the same from numerous other witnesses. That have come before for us but this was not the only issue with the whole right. We understand that people within the United States government had significant concerns about the legality of the whole as it relates to the Impoundment Control Act. This is because the money had been authorized by Congress and signed into law by President Trump. Miss Cooper at the July meetings were there any discussions about whether the hold could be implemented in a legal fashion so in the July twenty. Sixth Meeting My leadership raised the question of how the President's guidance could be implemented and proffered that perhaps a reprogramming programming action would be the way to do this but more research would need to be done. So then after that discussion We had a lower level discussion at my level on the thirty first of July. There let me ask you about that July thirty first meeting based on your conversations with colleagues at the Dod at the July Thirty First Interagency meeting did you share your understanding of the legal legal mechanisms that were available at that time. Yes Sir and what were they. And I expressed that it was my understanding that there were two ways that we would be able to implement presidential guidance to Stop obligating gating the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative and the first option would be for the president to do a recision. The second is A reprogramming programming action that the Department of Defense would do in both of those would require congressional notice. Yes there would be an extra step that the president would have to take to notify Congress as far as you know. was there ever any notice that was sent out to Congress sir. I did express that I believed it would require a notice to Congress and that then then there was no such notice to my knowledge or preparation of such noticed my knowledge and as far as you know there was never any official recision reprogramming of that money thing no sir not to my knowledge instead. What happened was Oh and be device? An alternative solution involving creative footnotes to implement the whole and there came a time in August when the department offense no longer supported these unusual footnotes because of concerns that there might not be sufficient time for Dod to obligate the funds before before the end of the fiscal year in violation of the impoundment control. Act So despite the concerns mid August about the impoundment control lack and Owen B.'s. Footnotes footnotes the hold nevertheless continued through September eleventh. Even after now as an aside this is even after the whistle blower for had come forward right. It is correct that the hold was released on September. Eleventh yes Mr Ed V. It's it's being widely reported that Ukraine asked about the hold on military aid on July twenty fifth. That's not what I heard from. You are correct sir. My exact words were that one email said that the Ukrainian embassy and the House Foreign Affairs Committee are asking about Security Assistance Assistance Systems. Not hold and then the second email was the hill knows about the FM MEF situation to an extent and so does the Ukrainian embassy. Those are the exact words and what do Security Assistance and FM F- situation in these emails mean I don't want to speculate on what it means right. They don't necessarily mean hold correct. Not necessarily and isn't it true that around the same time I won't be put a hold on fifteen state department in USA. ID THE ACCOUNTS INCLUDING FM F. I don't know that specific detail but you can't say one way or another whether the inquiries reason these emails were about the whole affair. I cannot say for certain and you can't say one way or another whether the Ukrainians knew do about the whole before August twenty two thousand nineteen when it was reported in politico correct. Sir I can just tell you that it's the recollection of my staff that they likely new but no I do not have a certain data point to offer you. Not Unusual is scooper for a a foreign countries to inquire about foreign aid. They're expecting from the United States. Isn't Sir my experience with the Ukrainians they typically would call about specific things not just generally checking in on their assistance package are. Are you aware that presidents Alinsky on October tenth and response to questions from more than three hundred reporters over the course of the afternoon noon stated that he was not aware and had no knowledge of a hold on security assistance during the time of July twenty fifth phone call with President Trump. I believe I saw that media reporting. Yes you'll back track. I'm offering you the opportunity to reaffirm to this committee and the millions of Americans. Hopefully who were watching that Maria. Lana Bitch is a dedicated and courageous mm-hmm Patriot and that she served with grace and dignity even in the face of that orchestrate at an unsubstantiated smear attack against her ambassador Hale. I'm giving you the opportunity to demonstrate leadership. I'm giving you the opportunity energy to send a clear and resounding message to the men and women who serve and dangerous foreign posts throughout the globe. That what happened to Marie Ivanovich was wrong ambassador. Hail the floor is yours. I thank you congressman. Excuse me I endorse entirely your description of ambassador. You'RE GONNA Vich. I only met her when I took this job. Bob But immediately I understood that we had an exceptional officer doing exceptional work in a very critical embassy in Keith And during my visits to key I was very impressed by by what she was doing there to the extent that I asked her if she'd be willing to stay if that was a possibility. Because we had a gap coming up I support and believe in the institution and the people of the State Department. I'm one of them. I have been for thirty five years. All of us are committed to America's national security and we are the best group of diplomats anywhere in the world and that support support extends to all state officers who testified before this committee. If I may I'd like to read a letter that the undersecretary for management wrote on November eighteen to ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in response to a communication from him a number of department employees have testified before the House of Representatives during its inquiry regarding regarding Ukraine. No employee has faced any adverse action by the department for testimony before Congress on this matter department will not discipline any department employees for appearing hearing before Congress in response to subpoena the department has also proactively established a program to provide financial assistance with respect to private counsel legal fees incurred hard department employees. There's additional information but that's the essence of the message asser hailed then. Therefore are you saying rea- Vicenza dedicated and courageous -rageous Patriot. I endorse what she say. Exactly right and then she served with Grayson dignity in the face of the smear campaign. Yes she did and that would happen to her was was wrong I believe she should have been able to stay post and continue to do the outstanding work and what happened to her was wrong. That's right Mr Jordan and chairman Mis- MIS- Cooper who who of why. Why did the Office of Management and budget Put a hold on the phones sir. The only information that I received was from from the Office of Management and budget that they were operating at the direction of the president and they reported that he had concerns about corruption. That is all I knew. I put that in your testimony swelled. Thank you Mr Chairman Undersecretary. Hail I WANNA go back back to your support in affirmation of Ambassador Ivanovich what I understand by way. Thank you for that you know our military leaves nobody on no soldier on the battlefield and I think those who are in leadership positions in the State Department in our intelligence community. Have that bond of loyalty to each other. And it's very reassuring that you represent that you I as I understand. It got information about her situation. In March by early March Secretary Pompeo had mentioned that sometime sometime in the fall and received a letter from a former member of Congress with complaints about the ambassador correct and that rhetoric that member Congress was congressman sessions. And did you see that. There was any basis to the claims of disloyalty. No I did not that the secretary of State all right and you visited Keiv and you discussed in fact extending ambassador. Uganda term until To remain in her post right there was a personal idea of mine. Yes I obviously. Basically a indication that you valued her continued service there and you also stated Ukrainian press that ambassador. Ivanovich represents the president of the United States here in Ukraine in America stands behind her statements. Obviously trying to give her some public support correct correct in yet weeks later. The president and Mr Giuliani unleashed would can only be characterized as an ugly smear campaign to him by a two to oust her What was your reaction to the the news articles in late March in which up Ukrainian prosecutor attack the ambassador? Well we were concerned. We put out a statement that Some of these allegations around outright fabrication as they related to the do not prosecute list and we began to discuss what we could do to deal with this matter right and then the the problems continued for embassador Yvonna Vich and as I understand it she emailed you on March twenty fourth and indicated that quote the Temple of Social Media and other criticisms were such that she felt she could no longer function unless there was a strong statement of Defence of her from the debate State Department Is that correct correct and this message. What in Secretary Pompeo was aware of her situation? Is that correct. Yes debriefed and the next day. And he's the ultimate authority who could issue that strong statement of support correct correct but he never ever did issue a statement statement right. We Didata Shoe statement at that time but in fact you inside you testified around the same time that the secretary secretary did not render assistance to long serving in highly respected ambassador. He made two phone calls out terrific. Giuliani is that right. That's correct that he has seen a record that he made those phone calls one on March twenty eight and again the next day on March twenty twenty nine father record of that right so we don't know what he said to Rudy Giuliani. We have pretty good idea what really rudy. Giuliani said to him Get rid of the Ivanovich. She was gone in the statement. Never came forward right correct and when she was recalled in wanted to find out what what happened Secretary Paige would not meet with her. I was out of the country at the time. I can't comment on that. All right. What and then Mr Bill? Who is next in line? Didn't meet with her. I don't know this came for you to give the news. It went to the deputy secretary I believe held a meeting. I was info foreign travel. At the time. Well be interesting if he could have Secretary Palm Peyot be here to tell us what is conversations sations were with Rudy Giuliani. The person who was a F- amending the discontent about an ambassador who is fighting corruption. Malania Malania Miss Cooper was able to Put all the security system funds into contract before the end of the fiscal year. Now Sir and how much was were they not able to obligate What was left on August? I believe the figure was thirty. Five million it's and we were able to actually obligate eight percents total and I think you mentioned that you're able because of legislation. Congress passed continuing resolution to do that the rent so the remainder we are in the hospice of obligation right now because of the The provisions in the continuing resolution right so buffer literally inactive Congress. You couldn't have spent all the money if we had not received the provisions in the continuing resolution We would've Obligated eight percent but not the full amount right which of course would be a violation of law into not spend money. Congress appropriated Sir. I am not a lawyer but that is my understanding shore ambassador. Hail Miss Cooper. Thank you both for being with us. Just a quick question before I get into some questions about out embassador sunland who we heard from. Today I want to ask both of you. If President Trump withheld critical military aid from from Ukraine because high ranking officials support at the president's political opponent. Would you consider sitter that an official acceptable appropriate action by the president of the United States ambassador. Hail it's not I would. I would advise scooper that does not sound appropriate ambassador hail. You testified that you were aware Erin. Basset of Saban was in involving himself in matters. That and I quote went beyond the normal wit grit of the Of An ambassador to the European Union unquote as you understood it who authorized ambassador someone to work on Ukraine. I had no first-hand knowledge of that I received a readout from a meeting that the President United States had with delegation on May twenty third in which the briefing I received anyway indicated that the president wanted the members of that delegation which included Ambassador Sunland and to carry forth the policies that were discussed in the course of that meeting so that incurred in an meeting in the Oval Office on May Twenty. Third is where you heard that information from the readout of readout from that. Yes you testified that and I quote it was clear that the members of that inaugural delegation were empowered by the president is what you testified you also said and I quote as a practical matter Volcker and ambassador son and presumably working with Taylor who would be the ones really doing the continual effort here. Did you understand that ambassador. SUNLEN had direct access us to the president. I in the few occasions in which I had conversations embassador sonnen often would let it know that he was wasn't direct contact with the president. That's all I knew. So you receive that information directly from Ambassador Sunland that he had direct contact with the president in previous occasions. Yes not not related to this particular matter. Seventy thing about embassador Solomon's role that struck you as problematic. Based on what I knew at the time am I was satisfied that this delegation was what the president wanted to have continued to pursue these policies. And I saw all that in Bastrop. Oakland who was a professional had been a foreign service officer. Ambassador of distinction and steeped in Ukrainian affairs was part of that group. So so I had no great concerns so what you knew at the time you were okay with his role but did your opinion change about his the appropriateness of his role. As I testified I was not aware of these various activities related to negotiations over investigations. Preconditions related to that. I just wasn't aware of it so I had no reason to be making any kind of judgement one way. Or the other. And you review the text messages between ambassadors. Sean Lennon Volker. I've seen some of them were reported in the media. Were you surprised by anything. In those messages that you heard report it or personally witnessed or observed. I was surprised by what I saw. In those reports in the media. I want to ensure understand your testimony ambassador. Hail you you believed ambassador. Solomon was empowered by the president. According to what you found out from the May twenty third meeting to work on Ukraine policy and you said Ed quote none of that really struck you as problematic because of the time differences. There what you knew is that correct based on what I knew. Yes okay you are the Under Secretary for Political Affairs. You testified that and that capacity you are responsible for the management of the United States bilateral relations with and I quote every country in the world that we recognized for the management of our policies towards it's those countries as well as our relationship or policies as they relate to multi lateral organisations that include US policy and relations with Ukraine rang. It does but when we have a special envoy who reports directly to the secretary related to a country or issue that special envoy. We'll take the day to day responsibilities Cranston abilities about US policy relations with the European Union. Yes I am but you were not aware fully of ambassador. Facet of Solomon's activities on behalf of president trump. That's correct Krishnamurthy. Good evening thank you so much for being here. Undersecretary Hail You and your colleagues testified that you've gathered official records at the State Department with the understanding that they would be provided to Congress. Right I was not involved in the decision making. I have no responsibilities related to gathering documents. It's I understood that it was underway and I certainly received the documents that I described earlier. I see in terms of the materials is that were collected. Do they include electronic files and e-mails for instance. I can only speak to the documents that were made available to me. And it did include females and Paper documents and paper documents would tape recordings potentially be Among the files that are gathered. I really couldn't Speculate on that. But you can't rule out that possibility I don't I don't know tape recordings but I so I can't really comment on that and are you familiar with From whom the documents have been collected like the individual custodians. I don't know that Sir You're aware that despite a duly authorized congressional subpoenas been served on the State Department we have yet to receive even a single document correct. I understand that. Yes Miss Cooper in the interagency process Did anyone and in any committee potentially bring up the lack of allied funding as a reason for why there should a hold on military assistance to Ukraine. I can only speak to the three Meanings that I attended the PCC see see DSP and then P. C.. And I have no recollection of the issue of allied burden-sharing. Coming up at that point I did provide information in my deposition about a what I thought was a completely separate query that I received in mid June From the Secretary of Defense this is front office and one of the questions there Just asked a question about the degree to which allies contributing to Ukraine security assistance. Just to be very clear. Okay but after the hold was put in place on July eighteenth. You haven't heard any concerns about a lack of allied funding As a reason for why the whole should be in place in those meetings that I attended. I did not hear that or call hearing that as a reason. The only reason that I third was the president's views on corruption no further information. Got It. Same question do you Undersecretary Hill. Could you repeat the question so I assume you didn't hear about the lack of allied funding as a as a reason for the old budding being put in place after July eighteen. No I never heard a reason for the hold a AH I. I assume neither of you heard any reason whatsoever for why the whole was in place except for the fact that Oh mb put it in place at the direction of the President Right. That's that's correct and I assume you know one of my colleagues brought up the idea that the whole was put in place to assess whether or not presence Alinsky was login. Jin I assume that was not a a reason that was offered either. No Sir. I never heard that as a reason I heard. No reason. Undersecretary Undersecretary Hill. What is the importance of a world leader having a meeting at the White House? Well really case by case but Particularly for a new leader. It's an extremely important opportunity to demonstrate to strengthen our relationship for building that relationship at a personal level leadership level to demonstrate common goals. How about in the case of presents Alinsky How important was it for him to have this meeting at the White House was president trump? Well I never talked to present Zelinski about that myself. I met him before he became president. I met with President Porsche. SHANECO two leading candidates but As a expert on these matters is it fair to say that A new world leaders such as presence Alinsky having a meeting at the White House with President trump is extremely important for his image that he projects especially toward folks like Russia well in Oval Office meetings incredibly valuable for any foreign leader. Let me just stay that general principle and for a Ukrainian president it is indeed what you just said to demonstrate that the bond in between the United States and Ukraine is strong and that there's continuity in our policies and we're gonNA continue to work together in our policy goals including countering her on a Russian aggression and intimidation the nation of Ukraine. Thank you so much. The law fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution. 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Ep. 871 - Impeach For What?

The Ben Shapiro Show

53:42 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 871 - Impeach For What?

"Shana Tova the theory of impeachment keeps changing Democrats. Keep pushing full steam ahead and president trump continues to lash out in all directions. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show so when last we left our impeachment story last Friday I was preparing for Russia Sean. I figured not much what would happen over the weekend and it turns out not much did happen over the weekend except that the theory of impeachment keeps changing so back on Thursday and Friday the theory of impeachment seemed to still be sort one of the president trump had engaged in a quid pro quo with the Ukrainian government in which he basically threatened to withhold aid American aid military aid to Ukraine in exchange for the Ukrainian government and checking out his chief domestic political opponent Joe Biden well as it turns out over the past couple of days it appears. I'm just catching up on the news. It appears that the fury fury of impeachment is now changing it is malleable that Democrats weren't able to come up with a quid pro quo there were seeking on the specific transcript of this phone call that trump had with Ukraine into to now they are attempting to construct another impeachment based crime and that would be obstruction of justice. They're trying to come up with some rationale why they can blame the trump administration for blocking the investigation. Now doesn't matter that the trump administration turn over the transcript doesn't matter they turn over the whistle blower report doesn't matter that the witnesses who have been requested by the house thus as far have basically been scheduled far as I can tell including the former ambassador to Ukraine as well as other officials American officials from the State Department who were active in in Ukraine still the Democrats are pushing for with the idea that if we can't get them for the underlying crime we'll get president trump for obstruction that seems to be one angle and then there's the generalized Democratic craddock angle and you can see this happening in the press which is that impeachment isn't truly about what trump did hear impeachment isn't truly any specific criminal allegation impeachment in is about trump being a pupil head. That really seems really. That's the case and as you'll see today the Democrats keep broadening out the case so we are now seeing them begin to speak speak with more and more wild language about what a bad guy trump is. Well trump may be a bad guy according to Democrats that is not an impeachable offense being somebody that people don't like being somebody who acts in ways. You don't like that's not impeachable. I didn't like Barack Obama. Attitude was not impeached hit. Bill Clinton was impeached but that was very specific crime time that was not because people didn't like tax policy in Nineteen ninety-four. We had an election to fix his tax policy. In Nineteen ninety-four Jazz. You'll see as the impeachment proceeding preceding moves forward it seems less. Democrats are honing in on any one theory of impeachment and then getting to the heart of it. It seems instead that like an octopus tentacles reaching out in every direction and hopefully they can snag something that will be sufficient to move the public said the public isn't anti impeachment and it doesn't blow back on Democrats okay so along those lines lines today. The media are making a very big deal out of the fact that Mike Pompeo. The Secretary of state has now confirmed that he listened to President Trump's call with Ukrainian president. which isn't the big surprise? There were a lot of people who are listening to that phone call. The Secretary of state very often frequently listens to phone calls that the president has with foreign leaders but this was the first time the Pompeii openly acknowledged that that something that happened before he had been asked about the whistleblower complaint he said I never saw the whistleblower complaints. I have no specific answers about the whistle blower complaint eight but he never said that he was on the call itself so Democrats of course are jumping to all this means that it was a cover up this means that it was a cover up except that it's not a cover-up since he just said it he just like the Democrats keep doing this. They did with Muller they did it. They did it with the whistle blower. They did with the transcript of the phone. Call another doing with Pompeo. They keep claiming that there is a cover up right about the point when the trump administration blows the whole thing into public view right so here's Pompeo explaining yes. I was on the the phone call with Ukraine. I was on the phone call. The phone. Call was in the context of now. I guess I've been secretary state for coming on a year and a half yeah. I know precisely what the American policy with respect to Ukraine. It's been remarkably consistent and we will continue to try to Dr. Those set of outcomes. It's what our team included. Including a Basset Volker more focused on was taking down the threat that Russia poses there in Ukraine okay so he was immediately asked of course whether trump did anything inappropriate on the call and he'd immured Hanson that question here's declined to answer the question why well because the fact is that the president could have done things that are appropriate but not impeachable but the fact is the POMPEO also worked trump. Trump is particularly thin skin when it comes to the sort of stuff. He doesn't like one his own. Officials are out there saying that he does stuff that they don't approve of this is what happened. The John Bolton and Mike Pompeo isn't about fall into that trap okay so this this follows hard on the Democrats claiming over the past forty eight hours that Pompeo is somehow holding up their access to State Department officials so the New York Times reported reported yesterday the trump administration clashed on Tuesday with leaders of the house impeachment inquiry over their demands to question State Department officials who might have witnessed president trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine for political advantage now notice again that the the language here used by the New York Times and has been used consistently by the media now is that trump was pressuring Ukraine as opposed to requesting requesting Ukraine which is a more accurate description of that phone call pressuring Ukraine would presume them. I mean that assumes the question that is in doubt the question is whether there is a quid pro quo right not whether trump asked for something but whether there was a quid pro quo in use the word pressured the assumption is that there is something credible on the other end of that pressure crusher namely a threat say notice that the word pressure whenever the media used the word pressure and not the word requested or asked then that is the media infusing there is is in restoring any case the New York Times says in the first skirmish in what promises to be an epic impeachment struggle between the Executive and legislative branches Secretary of State. Mike pompeo lashed out out at three congressional committees that are seeking to pose diplomats involved in American policy toward Ukraine. Mr Pompeo called their demands for confidential interviews an act of intimidation now the reason that he says that is because he is saying you're not giving them time to get lawyers and the State Department lawyers which by the way if that sounds like somebody covering up or somebody covering there but let me assure you I know people who are who were questioned by the Miller report. There's a lot of folks inside the administration. I know people were questioned my report it cost them tens of thousands of dollars with lawyers ears in order to be questioned because anybody who goes in his question by a government committee under oath without a lawyer present at their side to advise them on what they should and should not say is a fool. You would be a fool to in that has nothing to do truth telling or not true telling it's like going to deal with the irs without any way online like doing that is a fool's errand. The are literally putting you there so that they can then charge you with some form of perjury or misleading statement and then they can use that to pressure you to say things you don't. WanNa say compay was saying okay. We need time to get all these people the lawyers they want and the Democrats naturally because they are attempting to gin up some sort of belief that there is a cover up going on there saying that Pompeo is engaged in the cover up when again the two biggest officials who are being questioned so far have already set dates on which there be question the house postponed the first of the a position which had been scheduled for Wednesday with the former. US Ambassador to Ukraine but not before the impeachment inquiries leaders upgraded pompeo questioning their work and for asserting that their bid to swiftly scheduled that positions did not allow enough time for proper response the latest standoff unfolded as lawmakers were unexpectedly put on notice Tuesday afternoon that it could soon be provided with new evidence related to the State State Department and Ukraine a twist that could add crucial information to their investigation and potentially complicate. Mr Trump's efforts to block it. We'll get to what exactly that crucial piece of information is and why Democrats in the House are extraordinarily excited about a visit from a member of the states. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about going to the post office. The fact it's post office pretty pretty great place but you really want to Schlep all your packages in the back of your car and then go down to the post office and wait in line. 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I got a parking ticket because there's only one thing that the authorities in Los Angeles are good at and note is not cleaning up the the street is giving parking tickets so I vowed from then on I will only use dams dot com so far I have kept my balance has saved me time and money right now. My listeners get a special offer. It includes a four week trial plus free postage and the digital scale long term commitment just go to stamps dot COM click on the microphone at the top of the homepage. Type Ben Shapiro that stems Dot Com enter Shapiro Okay so why the House Democrats are so excited because the State Department's independent watchdog wrote to several House and Senate committees to request a last minute meeting on Wednesday to discuss and provide staff with copies copies of documents according to an invitation reviewed by the New York Times so they're very excited. Woo The documents going to be what we don't know yet. Maybe when we know that we can determine whether in fact there was either a quid pro quo or a cover up at this point we do not have evidence of either it said the documents had been given the Inspector General Stephen Lennick by the State Department's acting legal adviser but did not provide additional information or indicate whether Mr Pompeo was aware of the action. Mr Lennox Office has not responded to calls or emails seeking comment for today's the bitter back and forth according to the New New York Times only one week after the house started. It's impeachment inquiry foreshadowed what could be consequential fight between the administration and how Democrats they are determined to quickly nail down fats at the heart of the whistleblower complaint well. Maybe the whole purpose of the speed is because they know that the executive branch is not going to want to comply that quickly because it's actually kind of complicated indicated to comply with subpoenas from the executive branch after determined for example what is classified and what is not classified what the president is going to clear executive privilege over and what he is not. You have to make sure that everybody nobody gets lawyers so by artificially boosting the time line. Perhaps the goal here is for Democrats who actually create exactly the sort of conflict. They are pretending they wished to avoid the White House is just as determined to thwart or at least slow the investigation. I I do Love The New York Times language. They're they're just as determined to thwart or at least slow. The investigation will which is is it quart or slow. Why don't you just say they are determined to slow at. That's obvious but thwart is a different thing falling back on the approach at his us to stonewall efforts by Congress to delve into episodes detail by Robert Mueller the special counsel who investigated Russia's interference in the twenty sixteen election okay so we have a few pieces of competing news you have the the pompeo acknowledgement that he was in fact on the phone call which doesn't actually mean anything unless there was something wrong with the phone call itself you have the House Democrats who are going to try and subpoena members of Pompeo State Department and Pompeo saying hold on a second guys you'd move into faster and the Democrats and Clinton cover up and you have the State Department's Inspector General requesting an urgent briefing with senior congressional staff members after pompey's push back on House Democratic demands to turn over documents so so we are still wondering exactly what exactly the only real piece of news they're the only real piece of news is not the hubbub between Peyot and the House Democrats and it's not really the POMPEII was on the call because the call would be just as criminal or non-criminal depending on whether Pompeo was their presence doesn't change the tenor of the phone call among the case is somehow the POMPEO was the hatchet man for the quid pro quo but that even that doesn't answer the question as to whether there was in fact a quid pro quo the real l. piece of news here is that there may be new information that emerges thanks to the State Department Inspector General's request one congressional aide described the state's inspector general's request as highly highly unusual and cryptically worded the inspector general against had the reason for the briefing was the day of detained documents from acting legal adviser in the State Department but as I say you know all this talk about the trump administration preventing members of the trump administration from testifying not much the former. US Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker is set it to appear on Thursday and Kurt Volker is the one who allegedly was texting with Rudy Giuliani so we're gonNA find out some more information there was he texting with Giuliani because the trump administration in efforts is to procure the quid pro quo had deputized Giuliani from the State Department in order to go over there and dig up dirt with the Ukrainian government or was Kurt Volker basically just just a guy in Ukraine who knew who was working for the government newry. Guiliani Guiliani called them up and said I'd like to talk to action. You said okay here's phone number. We're about to find that out. Meanwhile Tuesday the testimony of former. US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yana Nominate Ivanovich which had been scheduled for Wednesday is going to occur next Friday so again. They keep saying the cover up. She's GonNa Welcome Week and a half. That's not cover up three committees. The House Foreign Affairs Intelligence and oversight panels have scheduled in positions as part of their probe into whether whether the president solicited help from a foreign government to dig up dirt on his political opponents and again that remains the central issue but we are not seeing any additional information as of yet that suggests that the quid pro quo either took place or that was even threatened remember last week we uncovered three separate stories that suggested that the Ukrainian government didn't even I know that military aid was online and even the aspects of the transcript that look like they're dealing with military aid where you have Zilenski the president of Ukraine talking about buying javelin when missiles now. I was informed by somebody in the defense arena. Shall we say that even that has nothing to do with the so-called quid pro quo with regard to military that had dolinsky trying to butter trump up by saying he wanted to buy javelin meaning that actually the entire call was just alinsky trying to butter up because for leaders are constantly trying to butter the president up that doesn't mean that the president was actually threatening meanwhile the House is threatening to subpoena the White House for Ukraine records on Wednesday. The house threatened to to subpoena the White House if it did not comply by Friday with request for a broad range of documents relating to president trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden and his son again. There's the word pressure again representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland the chairman of the oversight and Reform Committee notified his committee of the impending subpoena on Wednesday. He said the White House had thus far ignored Congress's voluntary requests. I do not take this step lightly over the past several weeks. The committee's tried several times to attain voluntary compliance with our requests for documents. Wait Up. What is this past several weeks business. I mean what what what exactly is that supposed to mean like this. Whole thing happened five seconds ago mean. It's only been going for two moments so far as we can tell so again. The the seems like thus far overblown Democrats trying to accelerate the timelines specifically is that the White House will buck the timeline incomings threatening a subpoena is obviously an escalation along these lines the subpoena the threat comes as House Democratic leaders are preparing loud steps in the rapidly unfolding impeachment inquiry and we'll find out what the State Department Inspector General is about to say as as of today in just a second and get to president trump's response to all this plus Bernie Sanders hospitalized a heart stent has been inserted yet. A heart problem heart heart surgery. All of his campaign events have been canceled obviously thoughts and prayers to bring standards disagree with. You may think that he's a bad guy. I think that his political political beliefs are awful but you don't WanNa see anybody who is not a terrorist basically or murderer in this position and an so thoughts to his family. Even by wildly disagree with Bernie Sanders is politics apparently his conversing and in good spirits. You'll be resting up over the next few days. According to Senior Adviser Adviser Jeff Lever we are canceling his Vincent appearances until further notice obviously on a political level that spells doom for Bernie Sanders is campaign and it probably means that Elizabeth Warren is is the Democratic nominee. which was the direction that this was moving anyway so that is indeed a piece of enormous news? We'll get to more on Bernie Sanders and more on president trump and the impeachment effort in just one second first. 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He's been rage tweeting up a storm and this is where the democratic as has shifted and you're starting to see a shift from maybe trump did something criminal trump is big pook who had really because trump started tweeting a lot of stuff and then people were like. Oh my God. I can't believe he tweets all this stuff okay. If you still find from tweeting like a madman somehow shocking appalling say if it if it adds a new level of pressure to your day unstressed your day if you believe that this is like every time tweets to new level of low may I suggest that you take a chill pill because the fact is that this is what trump's gonNA do. It's what he's always done. It's so funny whenever I say this people like well. If Obama tweeted this you take it seriously correct because Barack Obama was a serious human. I don't know what you want from me. I mean Donald Trump. Trump is the president of the United States which means that we should take him with a certain amount of seriousness when he does things when he says things really like we're GonNa pretend that everything donald trump says is well-considered thought out policy official statement from the White House. Remember there is a there's a big debate early on in trump administration of or that his tweets amounted to actual will statements from the White House yes and so people started releasing these on White House on White House stationery right as kind of joke and it was obvious is that this was not official statements from the White House obvious that trump has got up in the morning and he was like sitting on the toilet watching Fox News and he's just tweeting and yet whenever he does this deal at all my God. It's so terrible Mola okay. If if you really think that this he was elected in part because of this he will be a referendum on his tweeting habits in fourteen months in talk about anyone. Here's what trump tweeted. He tweeted so if the so-called whistle blower has all second hand information and almost everything he has said about my perfect call it the Ukrainian president is wrong much to the embarrassment of Pelosi and chef. Why aren't we entitled entitled to interview and learn everything about the whistle blower and also the person who gave all the false information to him. This is simply about a phone conversation could not have been nicer warmer or better no pressure at all as confirmed by Ukrainian praise. It is just another Democrat. Hoax has some things in the street that are true some things than in the street that are not true. It is true that the Ukrainian president said he was not pressured it. It is also true that I am very skeptical that the whistleblower did not have outside legal help on that letter that he wrote. I'm also sceptical. Whistle blowers not actually working with Democrats behind scenes considering that Adam Schiff was tweeting out the exact point of the whistleblower report two weeks before he was supposed to know about it. Would that said whistle. Blower was not wrong about the call. I mean the details of the call. There's one detail of the call. That was wrong. The vast majority of the details were correct. Anyway trump says as I learn more and more each day and coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment it is a coup who intended to take away the power of the people there vote their freedoms there second amendment religion military border wall and their God given rights as a citizen of the United States of of America. Okay and this is obviously a wild overstatement. Impeachment is a political process even if it moves forward in the house. It's probably going nowhere in the Senate in our freight coup to take place. It has has to happen outside the legal system. There is no such thing as illegal coup. He illegal coups are not things. Are there things that can be done to Alston legal dictator but working within the system to oust a sitting president within the impeachment system is not in fact a coup and president trump to call it. That is dumb okay. That is a silly thing to say however. Is anyone supposed to be surprised here early. Are we supposed to pretend that president trump tweeting things out is supposed to be the big disqualifier and yet oddly enough. That's exactly what Democrats many. Democrats are now claiming or is that because trump is a pupil had read this is really this this I keep saying pupil had because that is the best way to describe tribe the sort of labels that they are throwing at trump right. They're not accusing him of actual criminal activity really they're not accusing him of violating his oath of office in any serious here is way they're accusing him of being somebody who don't like mouths off a lot on twitter and that I guess is their case for being impeachable and I don't always see that I gotta be honest with you. Usually impeachment requires a crime and so you see for example walking Castro who's out there the failing democratic well. He's a representative tentative right the representative Gastro and he is eight twenty twenty Democratic candidate for the presidency. sorry his brothers who in his running Joaquin who's his twin brother is representative walking Castro's on CNN and he was out there saying well trump is going to bring harm to the whistleblower aqap really. We're going to do this routine as impeachable because he's tweeting. He doesn't like the whistleblower yes. I'm sure les really this this Democratic Line which is so irritating in so stupid and has been crowded out by people like you'll hunt Omar repeatedly that if you criticize her. If have you say that she's a bad congress person. You're actually threatening violence as somebody less twenty four seven security because of the jet threats of violence I can pretty well tell the damn difference between a threat of violence and people who just I just don't like what what I say saying mean things about me but Democrats in an effort to stretch impeachment beyond its natural boundaries like oh well trump is going to harm the whistle blower impeachable. The president at this point has been very abusive of the Whistle Blower Protection Act and really is is basically on the verge urge of not only revealing identity or getting somebody else review identity of the whistle blower but also bringing harm to that person is getting quite scary the president's behavior in his words and what that could conjure up okay and then moved. My favorite part of this is that Castro says that the trump is gonNA bring harm to the whistle blower is obviously Veasley a very very very bad thing super super bad and maxine waters goes on TV well actually she tweets she tweets. I'm calling on the GOP to stop from filthy talk of whistle blowers being spies and using mob oblong which implying they should be killed. Impeachment is not good enough for trump he needs to be imprisoned and placed in solitary confinement but for now impeachment is the imperative his trump mm says he doesn't like the whistle blower and calls him a traitor because bill weld called him a traitor and everybody's calling each other traders these days maxine waters suggests the sitting president of the United States should be imprisoned in place in solitary confinement. What is Leeann Castro have too but what does Joaquin Castro have to say about that. Well that's fine. That's just for being passionate guys. That's it. I have a lot of respect for maxine waters and she's a very passionate person and has felt I felt very strongly for a long time that the president has broken the law and so you see those you see that in her words I think a lot of Americans have been very upset and outraged about the president's conduct. I think all of us want to make sure that this process this is a fair one that there is due process for the president and all the other witnesses that are gonNA come forward but we're committed to getting the bottom of what happened. She just a passionate person. That's it so when she threatens threatens to put the president in jail in solitary confinement that's her being passionate when trump yells about the whistleblower that's him being impeachable and horrible and terrible and no good very bad and this is part of the the broader the Democratic Agenda at this point to de-legitimize trump is president on the basis of actual crimes but based on who trump is a person well if you want to do that. We have a thing called elections. You could do that but that's not what Democrats are doing instead. They seem to continually broadening out the scope of the impeachment of the impeachment itself of the impeachment inquiry of the impeachment impeachment grounds and that is ridiculous. We'll see that actually ties into a broader agenda on the part of many people on the left which is to use legal methods and silencing methods is to shut down opposition rather than winning the argument right Evan election. They WANNA be trump. They can just do this fourteen months. They're not doing that instead the pursuing impeachment get some more of that in just one second. I gotTa tell you about something something cool that happened in our house over Russia's right before Rosh Hashanah. We received in the mail from a company called paint your life a portrait. A full-on huge portrait of my family is just great. We were able to put it over the fireplace. It looks beautiful. It really changed the tenor of our house view on a truly meaningful gift. You have to try paint your life. Dot Com so here is the way that it works you you you take a picture and you send it in to paint your life dot. 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He's Vice President for research at the Democrat leaning Niskanen Center and the entire piece is about how trump ought to be impeached because he has disqualified himself from running why the president's brazen attempt at cheating has taken decided at the ballot box off the menu impeachment is is imperative rate Beta Iraq said in March. I think the American people are going to have a chance to decide this at the ballot box in over twenty twenty but says Wilkinson. This is no longer tenable double position. It's not tenable to allow an election to go forward. Trump has to be impeached as otherwise he's GonNa Cheat and he's GonNa win the election by cheating. It's Hilarious to watch. Democrats claim. That trump is going to do this while simultaneously claiming that trump claiming the democrats are going to do. This is somehow impeachable so just to get this straight. If trump says it's a coup and they're cheating that's impeachable. If if Democrats say that trump is cheating and will engage in a coup then that's totally fine and not only that it should be grounds from teaching trump so I mean that is heads. I win tails lose right there. Wilken said since as this is no longer tenable position the president's bungled bids coerce Ukraine leader into helping the trump twenty twenty reelection campaign smear arrival struck decided at the ballot box off the menu of reasonable opinion forever forever apparently whatever happens with the vote will be illegitimate good news as for president trump even if he loses he wins now. Apparently the vote is illegitimate. Wilkinson's has trump's brazen attempt to cheat his way into a second term stand so scandalously expose there can be no assurance of fair election if he's allowed to stay in office resolving the question of the president's fitness at the ballot box isn't really an option much less the best option when the question boils down to whether the ballot box will be stuffed impeachment is therefore imperative so in other words they still have improved quid pro quo but because trump and his campaign were digging in Ukraine dirt this apparently perverts the election beyond all reasonable measure and thus all results are perverse well. There's only one problem with that Hillary. Clinton Two Thousand Sixteen worked with Ukrainian embassy in order to dig up dirt on trump did that make the results of the election illegitimate it did not it did not it. Rudy Guiliani Janis out there by the way making the case that he's going to be able to prove that Barack Obama ordered Hillary Clinton and the Democrats to dig up dirt in Ukraine. We'll see if this is true or not or whether this is just another overplayed by Rudy reason why I was investigating and the reason why the president of the United States had obligation to ask the president of view crane to follow up on these allegations because there is substantial and I don't want to exaggerate it but pretty close to overwhelming evidence including a finding by Ukrainian court that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats cooperated with Ukrainians with the order coming directly from the White House us in January of two thousand seventeen to dig up dirt on her political opponent and they did okay so this is Rudy's case and by the way the case that the Joe Biden and Hunter Biden something corrupt. There is not insanely week now. It's not as strong as I think people have made it out to be but they're serious questions to be asked about hunter and Joe Biden. Joe Definitely knew that hunter was making money off his name. Does that impact his actual policy toward grain that is at best dicey but still the case that the Democrats seem to be making being over and over is that they can just broadening out the inquiry until it's meaningless the again. Wilkinson is not making case natural quid pro quo happening just assuming that it did right this is this. I guess is is the grounds from Peterman is that he's not going to allow an an an actual election to go forward and it turns out that that is not the the only Democrat case that's being made today as you'll notice whenever the impeachment grounds get less and less specific they have more and more passionate that seems to be the way that this works when this started off supposed to be a very narrowly focused inquiry with a very narrow point of of an a very narrow angle or endpoint and that does not seem like what this is turning into you. It seems like instead it is broadening out and like the case for impeachment is broadening out over and over and over again by the way I should mention that while Rudy Giuliani is out there talking about how joe might not be investigated and Republicans trumper Saint Joe Biden ought to be investigated and they're saying that's a legitimate point of inquiry given the fact that Ukraine is requesting the is requesting help and good relationship with us and therefore we want to make sure that corruption is taken care of now with all of that it is amazing the same people on the left who suggest that people on the right are shying away from the trump investigation because they're afraid of what they're gonNA find they are. They're saying over and over and over. There's nothing to find the biden stuff nothing whatsoever. How do we know this well because we know this because there can't be anything because we know this. Here's Kamala Harris. Doing this. Routine here elected president. Would you allow US son or daughter of your vice president to serve on the word of welcome company outside this country not but I think that the problem that we've got again with with this issue is that it's a distraction from the fact that look as far as I'm concerned. Leave Joe Biden alone. Leave him alone on this issue of what this president has done that has been about corrupting America's democracy being in cahoots with a foreign leader to yet again. Try and manipulate the election of the president of the United States judgment though I I I'm not going to be distracted by this. President is trying to play okay. My favorite part of that is where she starts laughing hysterically about Joe Biden and his son that's. It's always a good sign when Kamala Harris laughs nervously. You know that she thinks there's actually there there. Okay we'll get to more of this in a second plus of course Bernie Sanders effectively dropping out of the race today thanks to a health problem. 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You'll make your life better nine ninety nine a month. We are the largest fastest growing conservative podcast and radio show in the nation so as I keep saying the goal of the Democrats and many in the media seems to be to it to broaden out the the scope of the rationale for trump's impeachment from quid pro quo which would be an actual legal standard to he's Amini and we don't like Jim. Thomas Friedman has had a really famously awful column today. Thomas Friedman is an awful awful columnist. I've said for years that if you want Thomas Friedman Readiness Columbine you all all you have to do off from a hotel Sweden Nice place for night he would go to Iran and people would offer a nice hotel suite and Thomas Friedman of the New York Times like Iran a wonderful open country with a regime that it has been misunderstood. If you buy my sweet in in China right you piece about how the United States should emulate China's one party system well we'll today. He has a piece in the New York Times talking about how to impeach trump and here's how it opens ready for this. I'm going to discuss impeachment today but first I wanNA talk about the National Symphony Orchestras opening concert and gala last Saturday night it was very revealing admit concert the chairman of the Kennedy Center David Rubenstein came out to greet the audience and the VIP's he welcome the different ambassadors and then he went through the cabinet members presence and then the Supreme Court justices introduced justice. Samuel Alito got a smattering of applause then introduced Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg seated in the balcony. I many women in the audience stood up to applaud and then everyone stood up and then everyone applauded and then everyone applauded more and then some people cheered and then some whistled and went on and on it was extraordinary. I've been to a lot of Kennedy Center concerts and a few in the president sitting in his official boxes introduced but I've never witnessed anything like the reception for Justice Ginsburg and this was not a totally liberal audience. There are many older. GOP donors and corporate types here okay just click note is pretty much more liberal audience the Kennedy Center Event Okay in New York that means they're like seven Republicans and if they are Republicans in New York the shot that they are not really hardcore. Republicans there in New York this was a spontaneous bipartisan expression of respect for and longing for a national leader of integrity and humility by the way the Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an awful justice. I also pray for her health. Because the fact is we should pray for the health of all of our are officials in in public positions but she's a terrible justice was ruled terribly on virtually every major ruling of last thirty years but basically Friedman is saying Ginsburg is a person of class who unifies the country but trump is classless and should be impeached so that's Thomas Friedman's case. We've had we'll Wilkinson's case which is trump won't let an election for which which is nonsense and then you have Friedman's case which everyone likes Ruth Bader Ginsburg and then you get Susan Rice's case which is that nothing nothing says we should write about impeachment and corruption and foreign policy like Susan Rice woman who lied repeatedly to the American public about Benghazi writing in the New York Times the National Security Adviser from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen eighteen under Barack Obama by the way you want to know what drives the right so fully insane about all of this is the fact that you've got Democrats sitting there on their high horses when they engaged in nearly the same activity repeatedly when you're talking about Hillary seeking dirt on Donald Trump from the Ukrainians or whether you're talking about Barack Obama pledging flexibility to the Russians openly on Mike but you get Susan Bryce writing for the New York Times about trump should be impeached why well because because Joe Biden is innocent right. She says Joe Biden is innocent and trump is is guilty because she says that Biden had nothing to do with the Obama policy and that Biden is fine and that Biden was backing a good policy nothing there about how is inappropriate for the Obama Administration let Biden run up the Ukrainian policy to lead up the Ukrainian policy when his son was earning money off his name in Ukraine while working with groups that are under investigation nonetheless Susan Rice making the Com- making the the idea of pushing the point that the trump administration is is the corrupt administration as opposed to beautiful wonderful Great Obama Administration. You WanNA drive people nuts. This is the way to do it. I mean this is full on gas lighting at at this point. She says the differences in these two engagements are stark and Biden's case the purpose. The purpose of the intervention was to pursue a widely accepted. US policy objective in the full light of day in trump's case it was to advance a personal political interest in opposition to the national interest and was deliberately hidden from you. Was it deliberately hidden from you that trump wanted Guiliani Juliani and Ukraine. I mean we've known for two years. Giuliani is running around in Ukraine and as it turns out the Washington Post agreed. I mean they reported that. The transcript of the call was not hidden for purposes of this specific was bad but because from hides all the transcripts because all of them leak this stuff that drives Republicans up a wall it drives conservatives up is it you'll see articles from the press repeatedly suggesting that trump is engaged in corruption where if you just flip the party's they'd be talking about how great it was a perfect example sample today. There's a piece in the Washington Post Presidency of one key. Federal agencies increasingly compelled to benefit trump have you you may maybe you noticed by by the way that dumb did you that that. Obama did the exact him like there was the Obama. Irs Skin there was the Obama Health and Human Services Scandal there there is Obama utilizing his DOJ protection racket for himself in fast and furious but apparently according to the Washington Post. It is a great shock that the head of the executive branch is also the ahead of the executive branch and they point out that a series of disclosures illuminated president trump's command over key federal agencies revealing how he has compelled them to pursue his personal. It went political goals investigate his enemies and lend legitimacy to his theories about the two thousand sixteen election. Yes that's called being the head of the executive branch. This up drives Republicans up the wall for a reason again if we're talking about Obama the press would be cheering right now by the way the best case in point Eric holder the head of the DOJ the Attorney General who who suggested that he was Barack Obama's wing man now says that Attorney General William Bar across political lines Eric Holder said that are we supposed to not laugh out loud to to see how the president is now involved in trying to help the attorney general in that effort gives me pause I think the attorney general needs to be a little more sensitive to the appearance that that gives he have to not only be substantively neutral. You have to appear to be neutral when you are the Attorney General of the United States and in our fear that he has crossed the political line. I mean does this man own. Amir are mere is illegal. Where colder loves you have to appear neutral you literally call yourself. Barack Obama's wingman. He declared executive privilege on your behalf in fastened juries this sort of stuff. It's because there's a generalized belief in the United States that there is a meazza of corruption in Washington. DC that the swamp exists they when trump is kind of swampy. Sometimes people are like okay well and really because sorry if you think that the world began spinning when Donald Trump was elected president you may have missed the past twenty twenty years in American Politics Emmy well. I think that this is part of a broader agenda. Unfortunately impeachment is indicative of broader lefty mindset that has set in which is that even if you don't have the goods you use what you have to silence opposition again. There's an election and fourteen months all the Democrats have to do if they wished to win is simply go forward to the election and make a good the case for themselves instead. They're pushing impeachment and this is part and parcel will be broader radical left attempt to shutdown all opinions they do not alike and so for example have come the Harris's suggesting today that Donald Trump's twitter account should be suspended. He's the president of the United States here. She is on CNN desperately desperately seeking attention men. She's basically become Glenn Close in fatal attraction boiling rabbit for attention here. She is when you look at what he's been tweeting today directed the whistle blower directed at so many people. I frankly think that based on this and all we've seen him do before including attacking members of Congress that he frankly should be his twitter account should be suspended when the president of the United States speaks her words are very powerful and should be I used in a way that is not about belittling much less harming anyone and this president has I think never fully appreciate it that that was fun civility so he should be barred from twitter according to Harris. It's it's funny how comfortable the left is with D platforming people. They just don't like Swisher makes the same case the same Cara Swisher who wants suggested the decision wash kicking the head of Youtube that I should be barred from Youtube because her son watches my videos. I'm sorry that I make a convincing case. Your Kid Cara by like nausea here. Ships trump is too dangerous for twitter. It's time to bar him. Do you get the feeling that there's a group of people in the United States who just don't want to hear the other people's opinion. I've never called for Care Swisher to be barred. I've never suggested the Comma Harris should be barred from twitter. That'd be absurd. I mean there. There are people who target me day in and day out on twitter. I've never called for any of them to be barred unless they're making actual violent threats to me but this is part and parcel of a basic attempt to pressure everyone's who there you're. GonNa use the pressure tactics of impeachment in order to get rid of a president. I don't like not elections. You're going to use the pressure tactics against advertisers jared shows. You don't like not just not listening to the show's not the ratings and you're going to try impressive big tack to crack down on opinions. You don't like not simply tune out from those opinions which would be the proper policy which by the way raises the issue through facebook has now put forward a policy about elections. Nick Clegg WHO's the VP of global affairs and communications but for this policy and it's a pretty it's a pretty decent policy. The basic policy is that they're not going to referee political debates and prevent politician speech from reaching its audience and being subject to public debate and scrutiny Brittany so facebook exams politicians from Third Party party fact checking program so very often facebook has what I think is a dumb system third party fact checkers who are very often left royalty soaps or you will see politic factories are left leaning left leaning fat check sites and they will use that as an excuse to go after particular stories as I've always argued that that's fool foolish because bads Ada in means bad data out. There are very few right wing fact checking sites. There's probably should be one but there aren't hey but at least facebook is not not applying that to politicians because that effectively would make them the great truth arbiters and politics and that is an enormous mistake. They said we will not send organic contents or ads from our politicians. I want to third party. Fact Checking Partners Review when a politician shares previously debunked contents including links videos and videos four videos and photos we plan to note that content display related information information from fact checkers and reject its inclusion in advertisements again. All of this seems perfectly. Reasonable doesn't matter facebook is being attacked why because the left would like to turn facebook facebook into the arbiter of truth but lefty arbiter of truth as Elizabeth. Warren is targeting facebook to again. This is not about Elizabeth Warren. Just disliking facebook facebook is big company. This is about the Democrats threatening facebook so they can control of it politically. Mark Zuckerberg knows this by the way there was leaked audio of him over the weekend pointing pointing out that Elizabeth Warren was an existential threat to his company she is she's an existential threat to big tech and while the right may celebrate the downfall of big tech the fact is you don't want Democrats Democrats control of Big Tech. That's really what this is about. Democrats in the same way that one about trump from twitter they would like to see facebook broken up so they can then control facebook and determine what it is that you see and you hear here and naturally the presser cheering this on the New York Times has a headline Zuckerberg hates warns plans break-up facebook. She doesn't care well. Okay so what so so it I mean the WHO's the aggressor here Mark Zuckerberg built up a bit jillion dollar company that affects billions of people around the world and Elizabeth Warren is GonNa Willy Nilly grabbed the power of the American government tried to break it up and she's the courageous one shouldn't build anything. She's never built anything. She worked as a law. Professor is all all all the recently okay. Meanwhile gotTa give you the update on Bernie Sanders as I mentioned earlier. Bernie Sanders is now had a heart sense surgery after after chest discomfort according to politico breaking news Bernie Sanders experienced trusted comfort during the campaign events on Tuesday. He had two stents inserted to address a blockage in an artery campaign announced he has you know seventy eight years old so this is not exactly a massive shackled Bernie. Now's he eighty. I think he he may be eighty so he is he. Sorry he's seventy eight hours right the first time he's getting up there and this by the way this is why when people say older politicians may have health problems and everybody's like that's just no that's called reality with age comes health problems according to a senior adviser. Jeff Weaver is senator. Senator Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. You'll be resting up over the next few days. We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice. We'll continue to provide appropriate. UPDATES sanders has maintained the relentless campaign schedule over the past several months. He's the oldest candidate in the Democratic field but has projected vigorous belying his age. The news came a day after Sanders posted a robust twenty. I five million dollar fundraising haul in the third quarter of the year but as he's been eclipsed in recent weeks by Elizabeth worn in the polls so apparently the sanders campaign cancelled the the entirety of its recently scheduled by an Iowa and broadcast television. They announced a one point three million dollar ad by on Monday in the state that was set to begin on Thursday. Kamala Kamala Harris was was eager to jump in and wish him the best. He says she looks forward to seeing him on the campaign trail soon. I am sure that is not true but it is certainly true that you know listen you. You never want to see politicians. Put Out of it by health obviously the beneficiary politically putting aside the human aspect which is you know thoughts and prayers suspenders family with that said politically speaking obviously Elizabeth Warren now looks to be the heavy favorite for the nomination because the the going theory for Joe Biden was that Elizabeth Warren would split the vote with Bernie Sanders on the socialist left well now that Bernie Sanders looks to be out of the race for the foreseeable future. There's no way he's going to recover coming back back in and is now a two person race as Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden and Joe Biden is collapsing in the polls according to the national pulling average Biden is up just a point and a half on Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren there now several polls that show them in a dead heat. There's an economist YouGov poll that came out yesterday showing that Warren is now up six on Biden. There's Monmouth poll showing that warrants up three on Biden so worn is obviously in commanding position in the early running here. She is leading in Iowa. Sanders Sanders is at twelve percent. All of that probably kicks to Elizabeth Warren in New Hampshire. Elizabeth Warren is again running within the margin of error in Nevada. She's running inside the margin of error. We betting odds. Elizabeth Warren are now up to forty nine percent to Biden's twenty two percent so she's the prohibitive favorite in this election that means means that we're looking at right now is Donald Trump versus Elizabeth Warren and that by the way does explain at least in part why the Democrats are moving forward with impeachment inquiry even if they're not able to come up with any hard evidence of quid pro quo that is if they can portray trump as corrupt and then they can portray Elizabeth Warren as the fighter against corruption the populist fighter against corruption. She wins lots of very scary prospect because she's the dangerous politician with wild left views man is GonNa be one hell of race okay. Let's do a quick thing I like in the thing I hate and we will be out of here so a quick quick thing that I like so. There's a lot of talk very frequently about racial bias in the justice system well. There is a case that happened in Dallas of I guess it was last year it would have been in which an officer an off duty officer Amber Geiger. She's white shoes in the wrong apartment. She walked it into the wrong apartment. She came home from work one night last year believing she found insurance apartments and shot the man inside the man show is not an insurer but her neighbor. Botham Sham gene a twenty twenty six year old black accountants who's watching TV and eating ice cream in the apartment he rented directly above misguide irs on Tuesday gene's family brace themselves for the possibility his death that would be treated like many others across the country in which police officers have been cleared of wrongdoing but that moment never came instead of Dallas County jury found Geiger thirty one guilty of murder choosing the more serious conviction over a lesser option option of manslaughter and that seems perfectly appropriate for this fact pattern case did not finish the familiar narratives police killings in which the officers Serbs fired their weapons on duty and just goes to show again that the notion that everyone in the United States eagerly awaiting police shootings of black people by white officers researchers just not true they. It's always funny. The left tends to pick out cases where the fact pattern is murky in order to make the case that people don't pay enough attention to black folks folks being killed and that is not the case Raymond that they never talk about the case the the case of a man in South Carolina who shot shots of black man shot to death from behind by police officer planted the gun on him at officer once jailed never talk about that because we all agree on the fact pattern instead they talk about Michael Brown where the fact pattern is in dispute or Eric Garner or the fact pattern is in dispute in this case the fact Penner was not in dispute and so this officer will go to jail for a very very long time as is appropriate because if you shoot somebody an apartment apartment not your own that means these go to jail okay time for a quick thing that I hate okay so there is a new ruling from a judge about Harvard University near Times reports federal judge on Tuesday rejected claims that Harvard had intentionally discriminated against Asian American applicants in a closely also watched case the presented one of the biggest legal challenges to affirmative action in ears the lawsuit against the university came from a group hoping to overturn a longstanding Supreme Court precedent that allows race to be considered as one factor among many admissions but prohibits universities from using racial quotas the group argued Harvard favoured black and Hispanic applicants at the expense of another minority group Asians and which is true the judge rejected the plaintiff's argument said the University Messy Strips Constitutional Standard for considering race in its admissions process. She defended the benefits of diversity. not not ideological diversity now experiential diversity racial diversity which again there is no benefit to racial diversity on its own as a matter of experiential diversity shirt as a matter of socioeconomic diversity sure as a matter of viewpoint diversity shore but why did you make a difference that a black person. White Person Arna Room and somehow this is like better than to white people to black people in a room is beyond me without any other metric that silly but said diversity will foster the tolerance acceptance and understanding handing the will ultimately make race conscious admissions obsolete okay they've been saying that for forty years now since groovy balance her in the late seventies and the course not letting up on this nonsense entente so I do there is a great irony to the fact that now the courts are standing up for diversity by barring Asians from Harvard well-done everybody well then everybody already we back a little bit later today with all the updates on Bernie Sanders health and on the impeachment inquiry and all of it otherwise we'll hear tomorrow Shana Tova. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro Shapiro show. 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CNN10 - 9/26/19

"Off Topic Today on feeling ten down the middle explanation of the impeachment inquiry in the US House of Representatives unqoute Korla Souza thank you for watching the controversy started with a phone call in late July. US President Donald Trump spoke with Ukrainian president ballade Amir's Alinsky that conversation factored into a complaint made later by an anonymous whistle blower. Someone who aims to expose potential wrongdoing in the call president trump spoke ohka former vice president Joe Biden and his son between two thousand fourteen and Twenty Sixteen Vice President Biden was a regular visitor to Ukraine. It had a new government the US government supported it and the Obama Administration had offered Ukraine one billion dollars in assistance in recounting one of his trips there vice president Biden said that he told the Ukrainian government to fire one of its top attorneys if it wanted the American aid money several countries blamed the prosecutor for not doing enough to investigate corruption Russian in Ukraine the Ukrainian government fired the prosecutor and got the US aid but in his phone call this summer with Ukraine's new leader President Trump said it was unfair that the Ukrainian prosecutor was fired in two thousand sixteen. He added quote. There's a lot of talk about Biden son that Biden stopped the prosecution. I and a lot of people wanna find out about that and he asked the Ukrainian president to look into it. Democrats in the House of Representatives say in doing that president trump abused. I used his power to pressure a foreign government to dig up dirt on Biden because he's a political rival in next year's election they also accused the trump administration of illegally deep preventing Congress from getting more info from the whistle blower who made the original complaint president trump has suggested that any wrongdoing has to do with former Vice President Badin because the Ukrainian prosecutor he wanted to be fired was investigating Ukrainian gas company that Biden son was working for. There's been no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or hunter. Biden on Wednesday the White House released a summary of the phone call between President trump and Ukrainian presidents Alinsky it also release the original complaint made by the whistle blower the reaction in the US Congress to the call summary was mostly along party lines with Democrats saying it confirms the need in for an impeachment inquiry and investigation into president trump's actions and republican sing it shows that president trump did nothing wrong and and Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying that everything was completely changed after president trump came out emitted that he did indeed in some form warmed speak with and potentially pressure the Ukrainian president to investigate Joe Biden. This isn't re-litigating the past. This isn't re-litigating the election with Hillary Clinton. This says about the president of using his office in seeking political dirt about an election. That's upcoming. We have seen a slew of House Democrats really adding their voice to call for impeachment inquiry and he began some moderate swing state members of the House also allies of Speaker Pelosi so very clear it she says and she felt time now trump keeps talking about this unredacted transcript of his phone call hall with Ukrainian President suggesting that if people will just read this they will see how misdirected these efforts are. I think it's ridiculous. It's a witch hunt. I'm leading leading in the polls. They have no idea how they stopped me the only way they can try through impeachment. That call was perfect. It couldn't have been nicer what job I did for his son. That's something they should be looking at speaker. Pelosi happens to be the speaker of this house but she does not speak for America. When it comes to this issue our job is to legislate not to continue to investigate something in the back when you cannot find any reason to impeach the president the American people are GonNa do this and roll their eyes because it's going to sound like much of the same thing they've been hearing you for the last three years. So what's the process. How does impeachment work well. The investigation is going to go forward forward and if the people in charge of the House of Representatives the Democrats think that there is enough to go forward with impeachment the House Judiciary Committee Committee will consider what's called articles of impeachment which are specific charges and if they vote articles of impeachment then the full full House of Representatives will vote on whether Donald Trump will be impeached now if there is a majority in support of impeachment impeachment. Donald Trump doesn't lose his office. That's like a formal charge. It's like an indictment so if donald trump is indicted the way Bill Clinton was impeached in that is indicted then the case will go to the United States Senate. It takes two thirds words sixty-seven votes in the Senate to remove the president from office. I think everyone believes it's very unlikely in a Republican controlled Senate that Donald Trump will ever be removed from office by the Senate but that's the next step. If there is impeachment voted in the House of Representatives the what could the outcome be the easiest scenario and probably the most unlikely scenario is they move forward in the house with impeachment and they remove him in the Senate under that scenario vice president pence becomes president pith again very unlikely the other scenario would be they move forward with impeachment articles in the House. He's acquitted in the Senate and we'll see what that means for. Twenty twenty could very well energize the president's supporters it could also energize. Democrats now listen if they don't go forward in any way and no one Peterman articles come out of the house. We don't know what happens with that. Does the President essentially dodged a bullet in his supporters are energized on Mayor for Democrats spreads or demoralized in two thousand twenty. We just have to wait and see how scenarios plan Ted a second Trivia. What is the largest mammal in the Weasel Family Wolverine Pine Marten Sea Otter Polecat. It's the Sea Otter which can grow to await of ninety pounds. That's the largest weasel honor perfect timing for Sea Otter Awareness Week. That's going on right now and today we're taking you to an aquarium in California where to adult theaters or are helping rehabilitate abandoned pups so they can learn how to survive in the wild. We're here today at the Monterey Bay. Aquarium Aquarium itself was designed originally to highlight the marine life diversity and the richness of marine life in this local environment. We worked with stranded sea otters the CR coming in with a variety of injuries illness warfield pots. The animals that are here are being rehabilitated for release back into the wild eld. We're basically working with nine behind the scenes right now. The youngest youngest the newest is a two week old pup who it's kind of difficult to see but she's sleeping on the hall out right now she will be here behind the scenes in in what what we call our intensive care unit for probably six weeks before we started production. Alka so appear on the roof. We've got to tanks where we keep animals sea otters wind up eating anywhere depending on what treatments they're doing between twenty five and thirty five five percent of their body weight a day which is obviously a lot of food if we're going in to do a feeding let's say with the PUP. We want to be able to have a disguise on the disguises that we use mostly to break up our human form. We're trying to minimize the likelihood of that. The individual pups are going to habituate to us. They hang on. They might WanNa film you tossing that in that UH ultimately the goal here is that we want to providing I didn't enrich and rewarding environment for these animals that are extremely intelligent and it's kind of a combination of fine and we're for them while they're out here We're doing a little troll in Ontario content today imagine walking through a park in Belgium on the hunt for hidden trolls they can't be too hard to find they stand between thirteen and twenty six feet tall and they were a gift from a Danish artist to a park that hosts a famous music festival. They're all made out of recycled wood and there are seven of them lying around or sitting around or toting toting buckets next to punt unless you're looking to be gobbling up some time on an unusual troglodyte you might have to overcome your troll phobia getting some self elf before for spending time with sweet nome at such a Co bold destination still it makes for a fairy tale ending the CNN ten. I'm Carl.

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Lev Parnas breaks silence in exclusive interview with Rachel Maddow

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51:00 min | 10 months ago

Lev Parnas breaks silence in exclusive interview with Rachel Maddow

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. MSNBC last night on the eve of the impeachment articles against President trump being conveyed from the the house to the Senate for the start of the Senate trial that will decide whether or not president trump is removed from office last night. The committees that conducted the impeachment investigation added a bonus round to the materials that they plan to convey to the Senate alongside the articles of impeachment. They added new evidence. These newly obtained documents and text messages from a man named Love Parnassus love partners as Soviet-born russian-speaking US US citizen. Who worked closely with President? Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on the scheme in Ukraine which president trump has now been impeached. The scheme to pressure Russia Ukraine into announcing investigations of Vice President Joe Biden and the concurrent use of military aid and visits with US government officials and and other things that the Ukrainian government desperately wanted basically as cudgels to twice tried to force them into announcing those investigations about bite. Well now tonight as the articles of impeachment how been walked over to the Senate by the impeachment managers actually basically right as that was happening. The word the impeachment committees in the House simultaneously to this moment released some additional records from Mr Parnell which have revealed ah yet further information about who was involved in this game and how it worked well today in New York City I met with love and with his lawyer. Joseph Bondi Bondy and so tonight we are going to present this exclusive interview. Mr Parnell has never before spoken in a televised interview. He has not spoken to reporters at all all since his name surfaced in conjunction with the scandal and since he was arrested on October ninth with a one way ticket out of the country Dulles airport he was charged with with federal felony counts for funneling illegal donations to Republican candidates and campaigns. Now Mr Parnasse is under indictment. He is awaiting trial oil in the southern district of New York. He has pled not guilty. He agreed to speak with me today on the condition that his lawyer Joseph Bondi would be seated alongside longside him throughout the interview. That's a condition that I agreed to to be honest because I agreed to that condition. I fully expected that it would be Mr Bondi. The lawyer who did most of the talking in this interview but it did not work out that way Mr Partner as you will see here is absolutely here to speak for himself self and he is more than capable of doing so he and his attorney have made clear in recent days and weeks. That love Parnasse really does want to testify to the impeachment investigation nation. That said I can't stress enough that he right now is out on bond awaiting trial in Federal Court on serious felony charges. So the decision for him to do this interview with me. Today is very unusual people in that circumstance in terms of federal felony charges. Don't typically do media interviews but they agreed to sit down with me today and we did it. Let's get right to it. I will tell you just in advance to set the stage that in this interview you you will hear love. Parnes make some bombshell assertions about the involvement and knowledge of President Trump and vice president mike pence in the Ukraine scandal. He will make a specific allegation about the president's unique role in holding up the US aid to Ukraine as an additional lever of pressure sure against the Ukrainian government you will also hear fairly explosive allegations for Mr Parnasse about attorney. General William Bar. He also makes some allegations about several other members of the cabinet. We'll talk about some of those tonight and we're saving some of those to talk about tomorrow so we can do some additional reporting around them but on top of all of that as Mr Kearney's makes clear right off the bat right at the top of our interview. He knows that in addition to all the things he is telling you tonight and that has been revealed in these documents in conjunction option with the impeachment investigation in addition to all of that. He says he still has yet more to share. All right here we go Mr Parnis barness Bondi. Thank you both for agreeing to do this. I know that this is a leap of trust to speak publicly for the first time next for both to refer to it. Thank you let me ask you. I loved you know that these materials that you had handed over the intelligence committee. We're going to be released publicly last night. It's landed with quite quite a splash. It's very provocative material. Were you aware that it was going to be made public. Though it did it was. It was a very incredible the day I mean there was a godsend that we were able to Joe's help and being able to get there in time because we didn't think we're GONNA make it because we stayed up til they thing to in the morning at transferring over stuff to the house that night and what was the deadline in terms of the time pressure. I mean the joy of the day was trying to get these things to hip see the intelligence committee before the transmission of the articles of impeachment because with the articles go goes the record and we we had reason to believe certain pieces of what we were turning over would be put into the public record. We just weren't sure when that will be. We had no idea what it would be. Let me ask you in terms of what we have seen in what they released publicly. Not Everything was released publicly held back but terms of what we've seen is all look authentic to you. Does any of it seemed to be doctor. Does it at all what you were expecting to see the white handed over. Are you still putting together. More information to give Congress or do you essentially feel that the deadline has pass now that this information is going to the Senate we're going to continue making productions as we get materials from the southern district and anything that we could possibly continue to find our own through the cloud or whatever for it may be going to continue to provide things until we're told not to love. Why do you want to testify to the impeachment investigation? I I WANNA get the truth out Because she'll it's important for our country. I think it's important for me. I think it's important for the world to know exactly what transpired and what happened because I think a lot. There's a lot of things that are being said. That are not accurate and I just WANNA make sure that they're accurate because things it's happened that needs to get out and I think the world needs to know what do you think is the main inaccuracy or the main lie. That's being told that you feel like you can correct. Act that the president didn't know what was going on President trump know exactly what was going on. He was aware of all my movements He wouldn't do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president. I have no one tenth. I have no reason to speak to any of these officials. I mean they have no the reason to speak to me. My presence skis inner circle or Minister of alcohol for all these people. President prochet will meet with me. Who Am I? They were told to meet with me. And that's the secret that they're trying to keep. I was underground doing their work in terms of the president. And what he has said about you he said about you and Mr from any Graffman gentlemen. I don't know about them. I don't know what they do. So you're saying that was not a true statement. President he lied. I mean we're not friends. I mean when you say friends. I mean didn't watch football games together within. He'd hotdogs folks but he know exactly who we were. He knew exactly who I was especially because I interact with them and a lot of events I said a lot of one on one conversations with AH gatherings they have special these roundtables where there'd be only six people at a table. We've had several of those and basically I. I mean I was with really more than four or five days out of the week. I mean I was in contact with them so and I was with Rudy when he would be to the president plenty of times I mean so. It's just look stupid with Mr Julia when he was Giuliani when he was on the phone with the president absolutely. And how would you know that he was on the phone with the president would be on speakerphone several times. It would be a speakerphone where he would start the conversation on speakerphone. And then take it off and then go somewhere sideways. I talk to him but a lot of times. It would be on the golf course when we were golfing together. Especially I remember during the Muller Times where the remember said something that he didn't appreciate it was taken off context and he was screaming at him so allow that so. I watched the impeachment and I saw testimony about the Sutherland that I read. Ah I understand that you could hear president trump talking next to like. I heard him several times when he was because he speaks loudly until very loudly. When you say that the president knew about your movements and knew what you were doing are you saying specifically I want to sort of drill down on that that the president was aware that you and Mr Giuliani were working on this effort in Ukraine to basically try to hurt Joe Biden's political career? He knows about that. Joe Biden written out to Biden and Also Rudy had a personal thing with the manafort stuff. The Black Ledger. That was another thing that they were looking looking into but it was never about the corruption was never strictly about The BARISTA which included Hunter Biden Joe Biden. It's all about the Biden's it was never about corruption. Strictly about Joe Biden under Biden in terms of the involvement of the president. Here Mr Partis went one out of his way to note to assert that not only was president trump aware of what he and Mr Giuliani were doing on his behalf in Ukraine. Trying to gin up this investigation to hurt Joe Biden. Mr Parnassus says the fact that he was working for president trump is a point that was made explicitly over and over again in a very formal way in his dealings in his meetings in Ukraine. Your attorney told the Federal Court in New York that you were both Rudy Giuliani's clients and you were working for Mr Giuliani in his capacity. Pasadena's personal attorney to the president worked which by the transit of property makes. It seem like you were working for. The president of the United States is legal defense news absolutely and so did did anybody in the US. Government or Mr Giuliani actually convey to officials in Ukraine that you were there as a representative of president trump absolutely every to Each one of those officials that the I the on the phone with Mr Volchkov Minister Volkov several times Yvonne Pecan off Aw You're really at the time was the general. The first thing I did this to introduce myself and tell them I'm here on behalf of really Giuliani beyond the president of the United States. And I'd like to put you on speakerphone for you. Know to confirm which we did we put you on. The phone rudy relate to him basically that we were there on behalf of the president of the United States. And you were there to speak on president. Trump's behalf exhibited those exact words. Mr Parnasse says that when he was taking meetings to advance this scheme taking meetings with various government officials in Ukraine he says it was a regular occurrence. It was the way those meetings started. He would put rudy. Giuliani on phone on the speakerphone in the room and he would say explicitly. Mr Giuliani would say explicitly that as the president's personal attorney he could affirm that left Parnis. was there air at that meeting. In Ukraine to speak on behalf of the President of the United States Donald Trump in May of last year may twenty nineteen. Mr Giuliani started speaking with reporters about his plans to travel himself to Ukraine to try to enlist the Ukrainian government's assistance to help hoped his client president trump. Basically in his re-election effort he said he was going to Ukraine to try to get them to announce investigations into Vice President Biden because that would be very very helpful to his client in the resulting firestorm of criticism. Mr Giuliani's trip was called off in May when he called off the trip. Mr Giuliani Johny made public statements. Criticizing the new government of Ukraine saying that Ukraine's new president was surrounded by enemies of the United States and for Ukraine that it was a really big deal right Ukraine. A country at war with Russia is a country very much dependent on both the reality and the perception of their having strong support from the United States government. And so when Mr Giuliani as the president's personal attorneys started making public claims the new Ukrainian president was surrounded by enemies of the United States of America. That's why he wasn't going to Ukraine at that point. The Ukrainian government kind of freaked out that kind of criticism from the new administration for their new new president in Ukraine. And that's a potential death sentence for their country so at the time that happened left part was in Ukraine in Kiev. At the time all of that happened and he told me today that he was tasked by Rudy Giuliani in that moment to crank up the pressure on the government of Ukraine to make even more insistent and obvious is an even more onerous this threat and this demand that Ukraine must announce investigations into Joe Biden. Or else it. Did you meet with Ukrainian official name. Sergei Schaefer Circuit Schaefer is a very senior aide to presidents Alinsky. It has been reported as far as we understand from public reporting that you conveyed to Mr Schaffer. The exact quid pro bowl that you wanted Celeski Alinsky to announce investigations into Joe Biden or military aid would not be released to Ukraine. Is that accurate. It was a little bit more than that Aw Basically The message that that was supposed to die gave Sergei Schaefer was a very harsh message that was told to be to give it to him in a very harsh way. A not in a pleasant way to give it to harshly mayor Guiliani Rudy told me After a meeting the president the White House he called me. His message was wasn't just military. It was all eight. Basically the relationships would be sour. You would stop giving him any kind of aid that unless that there was an announcement made several several demands at that point a the most important one is the announcement of the bite. Ministration did you also convey convey to him that the US government would stop showing support for mistress Alinsky. They wouldn't attend the inauguration those that was the biggest thing. Actually that was the that was the main Wasn't because at that time you have to understand the way you create now is for presents alinsky winning on that platform being a young president and not really having any experience the number one end being at war with Russia at the time the number one thing for them was not even eight and I know it sounds crazy but it was more of a support for the president resident by having a White House. Visit by having a big inauguration by having all the dignitaries there that was the key and at that time There were already aware because of their Conversations with the I guess what the embassy that President Vice President Pence was supposed to come to the inauguration was already discussed and they were replanning and now they were just working on days. That would be good for him at our meeting. I was very very heated. Conversation from our part to him. Basically telling What needs to be done? I mean basically me and at the at the at in the conversation. I told him that if he doesn't the announcement it was the key at that time because of the nation the pence would not show up. Nobody would show up to his inauguration unless he announced an investigation into Joe Biden No. US officials Dell's particularly vice president. Mike Pence would not come to do so the day after that meeting that you had on the twelfth. Aw I believe it was the following day that in fact vice-president pence is a visit to the inauguration was cancelled after my phone. Call the conversation conversation that I laid out to. Mr Schaffer was basically what I was told to do. By Giuliani of the president. And then afterwards I relate back to them saying that he's going to get back to me later tonight and we're supposed to meet then around eight o'clock or nine o'clock at night. I texted back against saying any word. What's the situation and at that point Because because I'm what's up you could see when the person this connects you and he disconnected me. Our conversation he basically me and I understood that that was a no so so I called back and said no go and he I remember going. Okay they'll see and basically the next day pets To to my awareness trump called up and said to make sure go there. So you believe that Mister Peres trip to the inauguration was cancelled because they didn't agree hundred stations. Because there's other the chain of events that that was the key to what where we are today because after that what. Let's take a look at what transpires expires next. Within the next couple of days all of a sudden they realized that now they get word because obviously when pence cancel as they get word that pets is was that coming so now they realized that that was telling me is true now they realize when I was threatening them on behalf of the White House that if they didn't announced the Biden investigation that vice president pence wouldn't come to the inauguration. They realize now when pence in fact cancelled his trip to the inauguration when I said he would they knew why was legit. It's essentially what he's saying. Well if the line there that he quotes Mr Giuliani saying okay. They'll see like bell. See what they get for telling you know when when you demanded those investigations they'll see and in fact vice. President pence does cancel his trip to the inauguration within twenty four house. But for Mr Mr Parnis. That was a key moment for him in terms of being able to continue to work on this effort in Ukraine with credibility because because Mike Mike Pence canceling strip to the inauguration was the validating moment it made clear to the government of Ukraine at the highest levels. This is a senior aide to the new. The president this made clear to them at the highest levels that Love was legitimately representing the president of the United States. And the White House in this shakedown. So vice president. Mike Pence has his plan trip to the inauguration cancelled after you're were unable to get the Ukrainian government to commit to announcing investigations Vice President Biden. Do you know if vice president pence was aware that that was the quid pro while the that was the trade and that that in fact is why his inaugural visit was called off when the US Famous quote but Mississauga. Everybody was in the loop. You believe that Vice President Pence knew what he was knew that his trip to the inauguration was contingent on those investigations being announced again. I mean I know. He went to Poland also to discuss this trump's behalf so he couldn't have not known. Let me let me ask you about so. That's after the inauguration September first vice president pence goes to Poland and actually takes a meeting with with presidents Alinsky of Ukraine one of the unusual the wall revelations we've had since the impeachment investigations was a defense department email that was made public through a freedom of information. Act lawsuit that Defense Department emails from the Chief of staff to the defense secretary. He tells somebody else at the Pentagon. Don't worry about it this Ukraine. I'm paraphrasing this Ukraine aid. Problem is all going to be sorted as soon as vice president pence meets President Zilenski in in Poland on September first. That should clear this up. Do you understand why a Defense Department somebody working in the Secretary of defense is office. Might have believed that about that meeting. I understand what was going on. So it makes sense to me because What was transpiring was every time like I said to you at every meeting? Either Giuliani or I would have or somebody or somebody. From the trump's a government would have with the Ukrainians. They would always agree that they were GonNa make some sort of that. They were on board that they're going to make announcement and then they would walk back. So after certain instances trump was supposed to meet him. President trump was supposed to meet As Alinsky in Poland himself but then he used the excuse the hurricane but it wasn't because of the hurricane that was because he was angry alinsky still make any attempt or effort to make an announcement before he was going to meet him and he wants to know that was an excuse. And that wasn't the real reason because I spoke to me would talk to me too. I mean we spoke about this every day. I mean everything that was going on was discussed discussed between me. Victoria Rudy the team so president president trump is supposed to go he decides not to Vice President Pence sensitive instead and Basically he was supposed to go there and get it straightened out. That Alinsky was supposed to make another announcement and that didn't happen. And that's on Bolton secretary went over there and I think he has a lot to say. I'm not going to talk. I think he's a key witness to his conversation association with Dolinsky when he came back and why he left or got fired. Or however you want to look at the let me make sure I understand what you're saying. When Vice President Pence went one over there on September first again in president trump stead? You believe or you have reason to believe that. Vice President Pence was tasked at that meeting with getting presidents Solanki to announce investigations of Joe Biden specifically. and to tell him that they wouldn't get their eight until they know exactly what he was. The it was all presentation. Yeah like I said. The aid itself was something that I think the president decided to do. What's it called but it was? I think a reaction into that there was no announcement being made after so many attempts so many promises so holding the aid was the president's own sort of innovation to to to add to leverage. Is it happened to the pressure that people like you or the vice president and Mr Giuliani and everybody else involved in. This effort was putting on the Ukrainian government. When when you say that Mr Bolton may have things to say about this did Mr Bolton know that Vice President Pence was supposed to secure that agreement from Zilenski that he'd announced these investigations? I don't exactly what Mr Bell. Nobody noticeable was family involved in the loop because of the firing of marie-yvonne rich also also would be his interactions with usually any. They started butting heads and he was not agreeing it was I mean from Venezuela Taylor to Ukraine Bolton than agree with Giuliani on Way of dealing with it so there was tension there. There was there. Were definitely but you believe he knows what the administration was pressuring Ukraine to do Bolton hundred percent. mm-hmm knows what happened. Love Parks and an exclusive interview with me today in New York City We've contacted vice president pence his office for comment tonight on this allegation that his visit to the Zilenski inauguration was canceled because Ukrainian officials wouldn't announce investigations into Joe Joe Biden also the allegation that Vice President Pence was tasked with getting that commitment about announcing these investigations in his follow. Up visit where he did meet with presidents Alinsky skin September first in Poland. We have asked for comment from Mike. Pence's office on on those matters. We have not yet heard that you know if that changes for his part of course national security. The adviser John Bolton has made clear that he would testify to the Senate and impeachment trial if subpoenaed to do so he has made public remarks to the effect that he has relevant information Asian about the impeachment investigation that he knows things that other people don't know in terms of the president and this allegation from Mr Parnasse. The president explicitly authorized Mr Parnell to act on his behalf in Mr Kearney's interactions with Ukrainian officials. That that Mr Giuliani explicitly told Ukrainian officials that on the authority of the president of the United States. They should listen to Mr Parnasse essentially as a spokesperson for the President President that he was conveying the full authority of the President's legal representation this allegation for Mister Peres. In addition that the president was fully aware of and involved in all of his efforts parts to push Ukraine to announce these investigations. We have asked the White House for comment on Mr Parnassus remarks tonight. We have not yet heard back again. We will let touching off that changes but next here comes the part about them going after Ambassador Maria von stay with us. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office purpose US STAMPS DOT COM instead stamps dot com brings all the services of the post office to you plus stamps dot com. Gives you something you can't get at the post office. 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This is your handwriting gifts for these notes from a meeting at which other people were present or were these your notes taken from a a conversation phone conversation that you're having with somebody else. This phone conversation musician having with Mr Giuliani and basically discussing certain things that because after that had a conversation with somebody this Alinsky team you guys making milk for myself. What was important to get and you were in Vienna at the time so this I know gets alinsky to announce that the the Biden case will be investigated? That's Mr Giuliani tasking. You that you should get that commitment from Solanki those always the main objective correct. That was always the main objective. Get them to announce they were investigating. Joe Biden it's love speaking with me today in New York City. One of the many dark hearts of this impeachment scandal is the virulent and scurrilous and ultimately successful effort to get the US ambassador to Ukraine fired. Ambassador Awesome Maria. Vich left. Parnes told me today a lot about that effort including at one point apologizing for and expressing regret but also made crystal clear why Ivanovich Donovan was targeted. The way she was. Do you believe that part of the motivation to get rid of Ambassador to get her out of post was because she was in the way of this effort to get the government of Ukraine to announce investigations of Joe Biden. That was the only embassador ianovich was in fact targeted by love partisan Rudy Giuliani and president trump and others involved in this effort to get her out of post. Get her out of the way of a bogus. Joe Biden investigation effort. Well our public understanding of that campaign which was conducted allegedly for that purpose Our public understanding of that campaign against her took a very dark turn last night when information. That left-arm turned over to impeachment. Investigators revealed menacing text messages from a Republican congressional candidate named Robert Hyde. Who appeared in these texts to be reporting in to love? Parnis about surveillance of ambassador. Vich asking love if he wanted her out and purporting to have a contact inside her security team. Who could facilitate such thing? I asked left Parnasse about those menacing and text messages today. He told me that he did not take Robert. Hyde seriously. Either in general or in relation to those messages he agreed that the messages were disturbing. But says he never believed Mr Hyde's assertions about this purported surveillance norte believe that ambassador Ianovich was in actual danger much. Who is Robert Hide? He's he's he's unique. He's just he's I don't even know how not explain them. He's you can say whatever you can bleep you if you need the. He's a weird character. He's he's a weird individual. You met him where I met. Intimate Trump told yes trump pluto. He was a regular at the bar. So we now have your text messages with Mr Hyde. That not get into some very dark territory when it comes down. Why did at least from the string of text messages that we've seen it seems that it sort of starts at least what what we've got? Is You texting him. What appears to be Anti Ivanovich information to work? Why are you sending a Mexican Tex? They're not go to the beginning of our TEX. This was just the what's up stuff which was very little but rubber hide was like I don't WanNa say a hang hang around because he did know Like all these He didn't know the president and he didn't know Rudy Giuliani. But he did know like McCarthy he know Roger Stone he knew all these because because it was like a breeding ground that the trump hotel so every event would be there so everybody would hang out there afterwards. Everybody all the meetings would be there. So it's basically you would see the same people woah. Every day or the same congressman that supported the president would be there and nobody else so he was a fixture on site he was always there and he was always draw struck up enough of a relationship check with them to be texting with him. It was more eager. Had more relationship with them. He was He he just couldn't speak with the or so he would Texas because they were like at. Ah Usually at after we were done for the night you know he. The bar scene was happening and I don't drink but so they would hang out and have a drink at the bar so let me ask. I mean the the the text message that he sends to you about ambassador. IANOVICH are disturbing. What is the context of these text? Exchanges he appears to be giving you very specific information about the ambassadors movements about her location about her security situation call so the B word over over and over again. It's very hostile to her and seems to be monitoring her whereabouts. What why did those exchanges happen? What was he trying to tell you? I don't believe he was either drunk or he's was trying to make himself bigger than there was so I didn't take it seriously and I was trying to if you see. I didn't even respond to most of the time. And if I did it was like something. Lowell or okay. Oh great or something like that. Just because I wouldn't respond for a long time I am and then I didn't want him to get rowdy if I saw him next time and say well. Why didn't you type response? I would just amuse him until eventually as you can see them off because what happened is when he sent me. Those I got disturbed served. I was like Whoa. This is crazy. 'cause this guy off the wall so I called up I think it was Joey hearn. Who was My contact that the SUPERPAC America first that knew of him also because he all the all the donors and I asked my because as I said what is this guy off the reason. He told me that. Stay away from him because because he's just got into something with. I think Greg Pence Mike Pence his brother and Thinking that the secret services after him and somebody wants to kill illumine the. I don't know exactly what happened. But that was my once once. He started texting me that relationship the texts where he was supposedly reporting on the whereabouts went on for a week. It wasn't like one drunk. Night correspondent for seven days couldn't have been drunk the whole time. She's struck the whole time. He wakes up and he starts at six. I mean I've never seen a mud drum so you thought that this was ham making it up. You didn't believe he actually had the ambassador under surveillance. I asked Mr Parnell several times over the course of our interview. If those text messages from Robert Hyde indicated the real threat to ambassador IANOVICH. I asked him about it as many different angles. I could come up with. I was insistent and asking. He was adamant in his response. So it's clear that you didn't take Mr Hyde seriously. In terms of the factual claims that it was making. But are you clear clear on whether or not there was ever an actual physical threat or a threat of personal intimidation against ambassador vantage over for my side or anybody. I know you didn't worry that she was actually in physical danger number number. Because you didn't believe Mr Hyde believe we contacted attorneys Ernie's from Basseterre Yvonna vich tonight to to let them know about these statements from Mr Parnis about this possible threat to their client They are not commenting tonight. But we've got more ahead including what ends up being a very difficult conversation about the attorney general of the United States. William Bar it. Hey It's Chris Hayes. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. Amai podcast why is this happening exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. 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One of the weird things for me over the past few months. Is that right at the time. The House announced impeachment proceedings against President. Trump I right right then. That week was publishing a book called Blowout About the oil and gas industry in the book I used the story that I thought was an interesting sidebar story about a natural gas tycoon named Dimitri for Tash. I used him in my book as the vehicle to tell one story of how how. Russia was deliberately corrupting countries like Ukraine. That they wanted to keep in their orbit and they were using energy to do so and then as the book was coming out none other than Dimitri Tash was revealed to be one of the forces at work in this corruption scheme in Ukraine to try to smear vice president Joe Biden and and fire the US ambassador and withhold US aid to that country and hurt them in their fight against Russia. And the whole thing it was just it was uncanny was totally unintentional. On my part it was like a little bit of like Academic News World Car-crash but now today the Dmitri for Tash factor here has at at least become a little less mysterious Dmitri for tash like left Parnasse. The man who I interviewed today is under Federal Indictment Mr for Tasha's Casey's in under indictment on multiple serious felony corruption charges. He's fighting extradition to the United States is currently under house arrest in Vienna federal prosecutors in the for Tash case have called called him an upper echelon associate of Russian organized crime. The reason I say this got a little less mysterious. Today's that in my interview with love Parnasse this afternoon in New York City. He's spelled out. Basically what this oligarch Dmitry for Tash was doing in the middle of this impeachment scandal with Rudy Giuliani and the Fox. News Friendly Attorneys Victoria tensing and JOE DIGENOVA and how it alternately brings us to the desk of the Attorney General of the United States William Bar so at some point we had a meeting at our in their bealty office on the second floor and and at the trump hotel and at that meeting with Rudy and Victoria Jo. John brought up saying that he had some You've incredible information from the camp which later we found out there was I. Think Lenny Davis gave it to him but it was Basically what A show that Andrew Weisman was doing some legal stuff and offering some deal and acted blow up the smaller invasive. Investigation up the Kazoo you. Can I stop you there for a second. So the the allegation is you understood. It was that Andrew Weisman one of the prosecutors working on the team had made an had had the interaction with Dmitry for Tasha's under indictment by the Justice Department. He's fighting extradition here and that interaction. Mr Solomon is saying would be something scandalous that would discredit. The Mall are investigating so we were test. Basically with tried to establish relationship and specifically to get information to try to discredit them all Arna station absolutely. Yeah and Basically we went to. I was given certain documents by Josh. Solomon that would validate to Dimitri fear that I was in the loop and I knew what was going on because Mr Fierce gentleman. That just doesn't see anybody and that's you know a possible to even get to meet with them for us to be able to receive information from us. We had to promise fear to something. So for fear Tisch it was basically totaling that we knew his case was is worthless here and that he's being prosecuted for no reason. That's a that that basically it could get taking in care of the offers. Mr Fix this prosecution. If you've you're you're extradition case correct. Yes so that was basically the situation. We shouldn't At that point so the exchange with mister fear Tash was going to be. You provide us information that will be detrimental to public perception of the investigation And we in turn will get your case dropped at DOJ. So you won't get extradited to the United States anymore Mr Digenova and MS tensing saying we're going to become his lawyers to effectuation this trait correct and you were supposed to broker this correct. And what's this one hundred thousand dollars a month That was a expenses for them. Because you were supposed to negotiate a correct interaction tip that mine is not in there. That was they. Were getting a million dollars. Plus one hundred thousand dollars a month on expenses on mine was two hundred thousand. And what is this. What's that next line in the founder Barista Ukraine and Ukraine and a Barista? What are you supposed to be getting from about Burris mine in the Ukraine letter from this from Lanny Davis and Mister fear touch supposedly job Solomon said that he just case about that? So that's why this was all one conversation with the announcing the Biden investigation and talking about getting fear Tash off. From this Justice Department prosecution they were connected. It was all connected. It was at the end of the day at the it was all the agenda was to make sure that the Ukrainians announced the Biden investigation so a conservative journalists. John Solomon and to Fox News Lawyers. Joe Digenova in Victoria tensing and Rudy Giuliani and left. Parties are all involved in Mr par telling. In an effort to enlist the help of a billionaire Kremlin connected allegedly mobbed up oligarch to help them pressure Ukrainian government that they must announce investigations of Joe Biden and the Oligarch and his team tells this Motley crew true that he can help them with that with getting that from the Ukrainian government he can also help them. Discredit the Muller investigation. They say that'll be great. What we have to offer you? You wouldn't exchange as we can help stop you from being extradited to the United States to face felony corruption charges from the Department of Justice Washington. Post just just this afternoon reports that Mr Giuliani's involvement with mister fear Tasha. Mr Tasha's team appears to be an ongoing concern. That appears to be live love partners said today that his group's advocacy to get the case. Dropped against Mr Fair. Tash did go all the way to attorney. General William Bar and Dan. He says that Attorney General Bar was more widely read in on what they were doing. Did you ever meet with or speak with or have any interactions with Attorney General William Liam Bar. I personally did not speak to but I was involved in Lots of conversations that Jody John had with them in front. The me with them in front of me and setting up meetings with Dimitri fear tissues. Thima was involved in that. Do you know if Mr Giuliani was ever in contact with Mr Your Bar specifically about the fact that he was trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigations into Joe Biden. Absolutely Mr Bar knew about that. Mr Bar took zone everything I mean. It's impossible it rudy. Giuliani tell you. He'd spoken to the attorney. General specifically about Ukraine Giuliani in Victoria. Joe Or they're oh best friends I mean bar was general bar was basically the team. When President Trump and presidents Alinsky alinsky spoke in July? We know from the White House note so the call that president trump told that he should contact William Bar about these investigations. Negations that he wanted him to do including into Joe Biden correct. That struck a lot of people as strange attorney general bar purportedly upset and didn't know why he would have been mentioned in this context but it sounds like it makes sense to you that absolutely because We we know about the derm investigation and that was going to be part of. I mean that the Attorney General Bar want to get to the bottom of the bite and stuff and everything like that. I think he might have got upset. That trump talked about the president's. The House ousted him. Maybe he didn't want to be in the public like he was doing but it was known internally that he was investigating the investigators. Do you know if a attorney generally embar ever spoke with any Ukrainian officials. I don't recall at this moment. I'd have to look at my text messages and see contacted the Justice Department for comment on Mr Parnassus remarks tonight. spokeswoman Kerekou pack the Justice Department when did give us a response. It is a two word response. I guess technically one number and one word. She told US quote one hundred percent false and we could attribute that to her. We appreciate the comment. Be Right back. Stay with us today. The impeachment articles were conveyed from the US House post to the US Senate. Senate trial is due to formally start tomorrow One of the awkward revelations in this saga is that while the Intelligence Committee and the house was leading the the investigation of the impeachment scandal. It emerged that the top Republican member of Congress on that committee Congressman Devin. Nunes of California appeared himself to have been connected to the people involved in the scandal and potentially to the scandal itself because congressman newness has been publicly very vague and defensive about whether he remembers any of his own communications with love during the time. This Ukraine scheme was underway. I asked Mr Parnell today if he remembers. Any interactions with congressman respond units. Do you know Congressman Devin newness. You say what's been your relationship with him. We don't have too too much of a relationship. We met several times at the trump hotel But our relationship started getting basically were expanded was when I was introduced to his aid der Carvey and the reason why Dr Carr was more MARV I understood. I was told at times because never knew. He has just had an ethics subject to the with the next ethics committee and he could be the spotlight. He was kind of shunned a little bit and and that he was looking into this Ukraine. Still want to help out and Devin you. They gave me their carvey to with. You told Mr Harvey what you and Mr Giuliani Alani. Were working on a new T. Ukraine trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigators aware of everything. He already knew that by the time he talked to you. Information over the do you believe he'd gotten information. Nation from Mr Giuliani thing. I think that they that Certain like I said there was other people doing like this up research or whatever. I don't know what you call it but it was coming from different Sides given that interaction that you just described with Congressman Nunez than his eight Mr Harvey. Does it strike you as unusual or inappropriate that Devon Nunez would be one of the elite investigators into the scandal on the House Intelligence Committee. He's obviously the top Republican on that committee. I was in shock when I was watching the hearings and when I saw Devon sitting up there and then there was a picture where they're carvey was back over there sitting I text my attorney said I can't believe this is happening because is They were involved in getting all the stuff on Biden. I mean they're carvey had several interviews skype interviews with deaf. The different prosecutors like Mazaar. How did ski? Which is the anti corruption prosecutor of Ukraine Cool Kostyantyn? Kulik was one of the major. You guys had this whole bite and stuff so it was. It's hard to see the live like that when you know. It's like that scary. Because you know he he was sitting there and making all these statements that when he he knew very well that he knew what was going on. Here what's happening in those Congressman Devin. Nunes is the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee. Which is the committee that investigated the Ukraine scandal left says that Mr Nunez and his top staffer were actually involved in the Ukraine scandal? In the sense that they were involved in the effort to try to gin up a corruption scandal for Joe Biden in Ukraine. Mr Par says he helped them in that effort. We contacted attacked congressman. Nunez's Office for comment. Tonight we did not receive any reply before airtime. We'll let you know if that changes before we're off the air moorhead stay with us. You raise the issue of ambassador to President Trump telling him that he should get rid of her yes. I didn't take my exact words if I told you. uh-huh told them that she's badmouthing. She's saying bad things about them. Do you actually believe that she did not mouth and say bad things about him or do you think this is part of this disinformation campaign to make her look that. I don't don't believe in that so I want to apologize to her. Because at that point I believe I don't believe it now after reevaluating seeing everything that transpired looking at the documentation documentation again. I did not expect that left. PARNASSE would want to use this interview today to apologize to ambassador. Maria Vich for his role in the effort to smear her and get her or fired but he did that. The broader context. Mr Parnell was just talking about there is what he says was a personal interaction. He had with President trump in which he says he witnessed president trump personally ordering the firing of Maria Vich. We'll have more on that in part two of the left part of the interview tomorrow night. We'll also have more for you tomorrow night. I want Mr Parnes alleged about alleged today about former Energy Secretary Rick Perry and current Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo we're doing a little more reporting on those allegations and claims were looking in fact at some of the new information that bolsters Mr Parnassus case which was just released tonight by the Intelligence Committee so again more on that tomorrow in part two of this interview I do actually just before I go want to bring you some news that we just got moments ago while we have been on the air tonight just within the past couple of minutes we got a response monce from former New York City mayor. Rudy Giuliani to something. Mr Parnasse told us in today's interview. You saw Mr Parnasse say on the air that Giuliani had made introductions for him with Ukrainian Indian officials in which he said he told the Ukrainian officials that Mr Parnasse spoke as a representative of president trump. Mr Giuliani tonight denied to us that he ever ever did that. Asked whether Mr Parnasse was speaking on behalf of the president in Ukraine mayor. Giuliani told US tonight. 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Ep. 865 - Release The Secret Weapon!

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Ep. 865 - Release The Secret Weapon!

"Democrats go all in on an unspecified whistleblower claiming against President Trump new polls Elizabeth Warren the momentum and we check the mailman. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show already well. We now have the brewings of a scandal inside the trump administration that could really be trouble for president trump. I mean let's be honest about this. We're going to be a straightforward in our analysis as we possibly can of this whistle blower scandal now right now we don't even even know what the whistle blower was blowing your whistle about but we have some vague indicators so today we are going to involve ourselves in some rank speculation. We're going to evaluate what are the possibilities ladies here and what impact that would have on President Trump on the twenty twenty election on the possibility of impeachments will lay out of possibilities. One of them may be true. None of them may Detroit but because this is what is in the news. I'm just prefacing this with speculation. Aplenty is about to happen so we'll give you all the information that's been reported then. We'll talk about the possibility so all this began this whole whistleblower story began with a whistle blower inside the intelligence community apparently filing a whistleblower complaint with his higher ups inside the intelligence community the inspector general of the intelligence community then deemed this was urgent which would mean that this whistle blower complaint could be reported to Congress however at that point the head of the the director of the national intelligence deny he stepped and he said well no actually I've talked to the DOJ. We're not going to turn over this complaint because the complaint does not meet the requirements of being turned over to Congress. This led the Democrats to accuse the trump administration of a cover up because they're saying we want to see what the whistleblower whistleblower complaint actually says it has also led to an extraordinary amount of speculation about what exactly was in the whistle blower complaint now from the very fact that we now know that the whistle blower lower complaints existed it was only a matter of time until we started getting a slow week as to what was actually in the whistleblower complaint so what we have here. Is something very similar. I'm learning what was happening. During the trump Russia investigation Democrats going out front suggesting that president trump was engaged in deeply nefarious activity and that his own administration is covering it up so very much the same way claimed that trump was engaged in trump Russia SPEC collusion and then there was obstruction to cover that up Adam Schiff who turned that was full of crap on the trump Russia stuff. He's now playing the same game with this whistleblower complaint and shift the Congress person from out here in California he suggested yesterday that Republicans were trying and to cover up whatever it is that president trump had done that was mentioned in the whistle blower complaint. He apparently doesn't know what's in the whistle blower complain but he's accusing them of a cover up anyway there is it's no privilege that covers whether the White House is involved and trying to stifle whistleblower complaint and I should say that even if you could could make colorful claim of privilege over the subject matter of the complaint given that it involves something that the I G has already found to be serious areas and credible and evidence of wrongdoing of one kind or another there is no privilege that covers that there is no privilege to conceal that there's no a privilege to be corrupt. Okay well obviously executive. Privilege can be asserted on executive claims there TAMBI disputes inside the executive branch as to what sort of privilege which can be asserted okay so again all the started with this whistleblower complaint yesterday Ellen Nakashima Shane Harris Greg Miller and Carolina rides afford different people at the Washington Post on one the report which means they think it's big they say whistleblower complaint about President trump involves Ukraine according to people familiar with the matter so first of all we have to point out to people familiar with the matter as extraordinarily the big sourcing. We always have to take everything that is anonymous source like this with a grain of salt now a lot of the time it ends up being true contrary to popular opinion on some parts of the right just because Nautilus sources involved doesn't mean that the reporting isn't true but it does mean that we have to wait and see whether that ends up being confirmed over over time so the Washington Post says is a whistleblower complaint about president trump made by an intelligence officials centers on Ukraine according to people familiar with the matter which set off a struggle between Congress and the executive branch the complaint involves communications with foreign leader and a promise that trump made which was apparently so alarming that a US intelligence official who had worked at the White House went to the Inspector General of the intelligence community two former officials said two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed. President Trump spoke with Ukrainian president love Mursal Linski is a comedian and political newcomer newcomer who is elected in a landslide in May that call is already under investigation by House Democrats were examining whether president trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani sought to manipulate Ukrainian Indian government into helping trump's reelection campaign lawmakers have demanded a full transcript and a list of participants on the call a White House spokesman declined to comment the the Democrats investigation was launched earlier this month before revelations that an intelligence official had lodged a complaint with the Inspector General The Washington Post first reported on Wednesday that the complaint had to do with a quote unquote promise that from made when communicating with a foreign leader so all this new stories adding that that the foreign leader was Ukrainian on Thursday the inspector general testified behind time closed doors to members of the House Intelligence Committee about the whistle blowers complaint over the course of three hours Michael Atkinson who is the inspector general repeatedly declined to discuss with members the contents complaint saying he was not authorized to do so. That's why I say Adam. Schiff still does not know what exactly is in the complaint but he speculating that a cover up is taking place without knowing underlying I material which is exactly what Democrats did about the Miller report ought to cover up there trying to shut down the mall report no evidence of that. We don't know what the underlying material is here yet so depending on that. Maybe it's a cover up. Maybe it's not but that's obviously beyond the scope of the information that Adam Schiff has been Adam Schiff has never been a person who's going to hold back from jumping both feet on whatever political landmine is in front of him. Okay we'll get to more exploration of what exactly is in that intelligence complaint in just one second first. Let's talk about the fact is that a lot of your online. Information data can be mined and used against you say got big tech companies looking for that data so they can monetize it. 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He and the members spend much of their time discussing the process Atkinson followed followed the statute governing his investigation of the complaints and the nature of what an urgent concern constitutes that he believed this complaint represented according to a familiar person familiar with the briefing who again is reporting anonymously. The person said he was being excruciatingly careful about the language years which is what he's supposed to do since his lawyer Atkinson made clear he disagreed with the lawyer for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would contradicted the inspector general and found that the whistleblower complaint did not meet the statutory definition of an urgent concern because it involved solved matter not under the denies jurisdiction again in other words. It seems like what the battle is here is that somebody in the intelligence community sought trump personally. Do something thing bad or heard saw readout said okay trump is doing something bad and the deny said well. That's not in our purview. The president of the United States has wide latitude to do bad things on foreign policy that you may not like and it's not within the purview of the intelligence community intelligence community purview would be stuff. Trump is dumping classified information publicly for example or privately or as making some sort of deal with somebody else's intelligence community here but maybe that's not what's going on here again. We still don't know what the underlying underlying complaint is shift says. We can't get an answer to a question about whether the White House is involved in preventing this information from coming to Congress were determined to do everything we can to determine termine what this urgent concern is so now we are arguing over the nature of a complaint where we don't know anything now for his part trump has denied doing anything improper on Thursday morning then he tweeted virtually anytime I speak on the phone to a foreign leader I understand that there may be many people listening from various. US agencies not to mention those from under another country itself knowing all of this. Is Anybody dumb enough to believe. I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such potentially heavily populated call and then he said I wouldn't do anyway but that that's a very trumpy and way of dealing with the scandals like you think I'm stupid if are going to commit a crime you thing I'd do it in front of you which is always very very trumpy laughing about that just because it's trumpy not because it's good as it turns out that it isn't is what exactly was in this particular complaint. So what Democrats suspect is that president trump basically weekly was making a deal with the head of Ukraine to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and that in return he was going to new release military eight Ukrainians now that accusations of being true. That's definitely impeachable right if it turns out that president trump went to the Ukrainian government and said we will give you do whatever it is two hundred fifty million dollars in aid will give you two hundred and fifty million dollars in American aid. If you investigate my domestic political opponent that it is clearly impeachable stuff puts you on the other foot if Barack Obama had not just pledged flexibility to the Russians but he had said to them. I'm going to spend taxpayer dollars on you. If you go investigate Mitt Romney impeachable I mean there's a quid pro quo there it does violate obviously campaign finance restrictions and all this now that is not the same thing as asking the Ukrainian government to investigate Bein without any sort of pro quo there was acquitted but there's no pro quo and if the cool WPRO if the if the quid pro quo take place then it's bad is not something in which the American government should be engaged something the president should be doing or any campaign should be doing but it actually happens to be somewhat common unfortunately so let's start from the beginning here. Why exactly would it be that trump was asking the cranium to investigate Joe Biden if they go back to a story by Ken Vogel and Julia Mandel Over The New York Times May of Twenty nineteen and that story is about Hunter Biden and about Joseph Biden when vice president here's the story it was a Foreign Policy Role Joseph R Biden junior enthusiastically embraced during his vice vice presidency browbeating Ukraine's notoriously corrupt governments clean up its act one of his most memorable performances came on a trip to Kiev in March twenty sixteen when he threatened to withhold one billion Elian dollars in US loan guarantees? If you leaders did not dismiss the country's top prosecutor who been accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his own office and among the political elite the pressure campaign worked the prosecutor general long target of criticism from other Western nations and international lenders was soon voted out by the Ukrainian parliament now that in of itself would not have been a problem right Biden pressuring Ukraine's get rid of somebody who is widely perceived as corrupt however however this prosecutor was apparently also looking into Joe Biden's son at the time among those who had a stake in the outcome was hunter Biden according to the New York Times Mister Biden's younger son who at the time was on the Board of an energy company owned by Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the site of the fired Prosecutor General Hunter Biden was a Yale educated lawyer who had served on the boards of Amtrak and a number of nonprofit organizations and think tanks but lacked any experience in Ukraine rain and just months earlier had been discharged from the navy reserve after testing positive for cocaine who paid as much as fifty thousand dollars per month in some for his work for the company which is called Prisma Holdings things the broad outlines of how Biden's rules intersected in Ukraine have been known for some time the former VP's campaign said he had always acted to carry out US policy without regard to any activities he's of his son that he had never discussed the matter with hundred and that he learned of his sons role with Ukrainian energy company from news reports but new details about Hunter Biden's involvement and decision this year by the current Ukrainian prosecutor-general reverse himself and reopened an investigation into Burris MMA have pushed the issue back into the spotlight just senior. Mr Biden is beginning his twenty twenty presidential campaign is according to The New York Times Red's not yrant source they show how Hunter Biden and his American business partners were part of a broad effort by Barat this Ukrainian organization to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations back not just by domestic Ukrainian forces but by officials in the Obama Administration Hunter Biden's worked for Brazil prompted concerns among State Department officials at the time that the connection could complicate. VP Biden's diplomacy in Ukraine according to four from officials Hunter Biden Heiden was one of many politically prominent Americans both major parties made money in Ukraine over the last decade and of course that would include people like Paul Manafort okay so the story back in May of two thousand nineteen eighteen and this had been investigated before was that Joe Biden perhaps was pressuring Ukraine to fire a prosecutor to let his son off right at that is the allegation yet to be backed by complete evidence Biden would say I was just pressure pressuring them to boot out this particular prosecutor is a bad prosecutor. I threatened to withhold a a billion dollars in US loan guarantees so we get rid of this Guy Biden's critics say the only reason you want to get rid of this guy because he was investigating your son at the time so the trump administration the trump campaign has been going around and those are not identical truly the trump campaign rudy Giuliani had obviously been going over to the Ukrainians and asking them to investigate what was going on here and he he was going over there and sang okay. Is it true that Joe Biden was withholding loan guarantees because he wanted to to let his son off okay so that would be impeachable right if that had been known well Joe Biden was vice president and that Joe Biden was using American loan guarantees in order to assure his son safety from foreign prosecution that would be an impeachable offense right that would again be quid pro quo so Giuliani it's been known for at this point probably over year that Giuliani was heading over to Ukraine to solicit that sort of information from the Korean government so he was on TV last night on CNN with Chris Cuomo and things got wild because he both accepted and denied allegations that he was asking the Ukrainian cleaning government to look into Joe Biden. Did you ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden. No actually I didn't I asked to Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of two thousand sixteen by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton for which they were already is rallying anything about Hunter Biden. You never ask anything thing about Giovanni only thing I ask Joe. Biden is to get to the bottom of how it was would Cinco who was appointed dismissed the case against anti he did ask Ukraine to look into Joe by of course I did. You just said you didn't know I didn't ask him to look into Joe. Biden asked me wasn't the allegations related to my client which tangentially involved evolve Joe Biden in a massive bribery throaty okay so there's Rudy Giuliani being absolutely unclear but the baseline is what I'm saying so so the basic idea is what I am saying that Giuliani was deployed as lawyer for the trump campaign and for president personally to Ukraine to go ask the Ukrainians to look into the hunter the Biden Joe Biden scenario that in and of itself is not criminal is on Great Basan Criminal Kane a second. I'm GonNa talk about why that's not criminal. We'll get to that it or not. Impeachable not criminal not cry. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about making your home. Look better so if you've been looking round your home like everything here looks pretty nice but it still feels a little but dingy that's because you haven't actually looked at your window coverings. You should take a look at those blinds that are on your windows. 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My listeners get twenty dollars off at blinds dot com when you use Promo Code Ben that his blinds dot Com Promo Code Ben for twenty bucks off four would blinds leader cellular shades Roller Taymor Blinds Dot Com Promo Code Ben Rules and restrictions do apply okay so question number one digital biden engage in inactive bribery with American tax dollars if so he should be impeached in two thousand sixteen question number two is a criminal for trump's lawyers over Ukraine and ask Ukrainians to look into that nothing and then question number three if there's a quid pro quo between trump and the Ukrainian government is that criminal and impeachable so the answer to question number one if Joe Biden did in fact predicate predicate American loan guarantees on the firing of prosecutor for purposes of letting his son hunter off the hook not only is that impeachable it should disqualify him from the presidential race and that would a bear further scrutiny question number two when Giuliani says he went over to the Ukraine and talked with Ukrainians about investigating Joe and Hunter Biden that whole thing is that criminal and the answer there is now okay so Eugene Volokh. I've cited this piece before he had a piece in July of twenty seventeen called Kennedy a crime to do opposition research by asking foreigners for information Eugene folic of course is a professor over at the Ucla School of law. He's been a guest on my radio show and he is an expert on First Amendment concerns and he says in his piece he gives an example he says say in Summer Two Thousand Sixteen a top Hillary Clinton staffer gets a message a Miss Universe contestant Slovakia says Donald Trump had sexually harassed her. Would you like to get her story and the staffer says I'd love to an indeed gets the information which he then uses in the campaign to the staffer and the Miss Universe contest in just commit a crime he says according to some analysis yes but he finds that analysis not particularly compelling. He says it's not particularly compelling because it would violate basic free speech problems. He says it would make opposition position research on much floor on much possible for misconduct virtually impossible saved Clinton's campaign heard rumors that the construction of a trump resort in Turkey might have involved some shenanigans Teigen's. It's likely impossible to effectively follow up on that without soliciting some value in valuable information from four nationals such as foreign government officials who are hypothetically glee or allegedly bribed or rivals who may have a motive to provide information or say the Bernie Sanders campaign heard rumors of misconduct by Hillary Clinton on her trips abroad. It wouldn't be allowed task any foreigners about that so in other words receiving information or even soliciting information from foreigners does not actually amount to a campaign finance violation now. It's one thing if you're involved in actual Israel crime relic if you are working with a foreign party to hack in American citizen hacking is crime now. You're involved in collusion that is an actual crime so if the trump campaign had had worked with Russia to Hack Hillary's emails that would have been a crime but if the trump campaign even just received emails from the Russian government. It's ugly it's bad it's not a crime according to Eugene Volokh and I think that that is probably right. He says this whole controversy at that time was arising as to donald trump junior's willingness to get unspecified information that came from the Russian government but he says that it shouldn't be made a crime for for anybody to accept that information even to solicit more that was his tentative to that thinking on the matter Eugene Volokh and I think that is a pretty strong case legally speaking and one of the ways you know that this is a pretty strong case legally speaking is that nobody has actually attempted good to talk about the prosecution of the DNC which did exactly this with regard to the Ukrainian government back in two thousand sixteen political reporting Kenneth Vogel and David Stern turn back in January of two thousand seventeen that Ukrainian government members of the Ukrainian government were actually working with the Hillary Clinton campaign aimed to gather information on Donald Trump so this is not the first time that somebody has gone to the Ukrainian government and sought information on a political opponent domestically in the United States that story in politico. Oh said Donald Trump wasn't the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of the former Soviet bloc country Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine trump by my publicly questioning his fitness for office they also disseminated documents implicating atop from eight and corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter only to back away after the election and they helped Clinton's allies research damaging information on trump and his advisors. There's all political right this report. January twenty seventeen our Ukrainian American operative furtive was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in Ukrainian embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between trump top campaign aide Paul manafort and Russia Russia according to people with direct knowledge of the situation Ukrainian efforts actually had a major impact on the race helping to force Manafort's resignation and advancing the narrative trump's campaign was deeply connected Ukraine's fo in the east Russia now political tries to suggest this was far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia's alleged hacking and dissemination Asian of democratic emails but the fact is that people were working at the Ukrainian embassy with people from the DNC to gather information on Donald Trump and Russia and then to disseminate it politicals investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating the government's refrain from engaging in one another's elections according to politico dot com Ukraine has traditionally enjoyed strong relations with your administration. It's officials worry that could change under trump who seem as privately expressed sentiments ranging from ambivalence to deep skepticism about Petra Puerto Schenker's regime. He's the former leader of Ukraine at the time Pro Shaneco had signed contracts with the trump administration but revelations that Ukraine's anti trump efforts could further set back those efforts again this has a twenty seventeen so in other words there was in fact coordination the nation between a woman named Alexandra Chiluba whose veterans emigrants operative who was working for the DNC and she was working working with the US embassy in Ukraine and working with the Ukrainian embassy in the United States to gather information about how manafort she apparently occasionally shared her findings with officials from the DNC and the Clinton Campaign Rachel Birdsall said this in January two thousand sixteen months before Manafort had taken any role in trump's campaign Chiluba Chiluba told a senior at GNC official. When it came to trump's campaign I felt there was a Russian connection and then she helped with Ukraine to gather data on Paul Manafort? She said she shared her concern with Ukraine's ambassador to the United States and one of his top aides during a March twenty sixteen meeting at the Ukrainian embassy. According to someone briefs on the meeting the Ukrainian I answer to the United States said the Manafort was on his radar but as manafort became a part of the trump campaign Chalupa started taking meetings at the embassy gathering information formation about manafort and all the rest so was that criminal the answer is no that wasn't criminal and it is in fact exactly parallel to what we are talking about. When it comes to Joe Biden it was when it comes to Rudy Giuliani and Ukraine gathering information about Joe Biden may be ugly and may not be something that you like but it is not in fact illegal in our second? We'll get to the possibility of illegality and here you have to start speculating right. Everything I've said so far is not really speculation. Everything that suggested so far is reported data ADA now. We're going to get into the realm of speculation. We'll get to that in just one second. First Safety is really important to me. Safety is so important that I have twenty four seven security yes at that is required in today's Day and age if you're a public figure but when I'm on the road I still don't know who exactly is visiting my house except that I have ring he I have ring devices all over my property because ring is Great Ring's mission is to make neighborhoods safer you might already know about their smart video doorbells and cameras that protect millions of people everywhere ring also helps you stay connected to your home anywhere in the world so there's there's a package delivery or a surprise visitor. 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We have information that a whistleblower inside the intelligence community made a complaint to the Inspector General of the intelligence community the Inspector General Team to urgent that would make it open and available able to Congress the head of the deny then stepped in and said this is not urgent it doesn't meet the criteria because this is not within our purview and the trump administration has now talked about asserting executive privilege his according to the Associated Press President Donald Trump repeatedly defended himself Friday against an intelligence whistleblowers potentially explosive explosive complaint including allegation of wrongdoing into reported conversation from had with a foreign leader the complaint which the administration has refused to let Congress he remains shrouded in mystery but is serious and urgent according to the government's intelligence watchdog trump and says he did nothing wrong. He declared on Friday the complaint was made by partisan whistle blower though he later said he did not know the identity city of the person well. I mean you have to know the identity of the person to feel that you are being targeted in partisan fashion. If in fact there is no reason to treat this as urgent he chided reporters for asking about it said the complaint was just another political hack job. He said I've conversations with many leaders. It's always appropriate always appropriate at the highest level always appropriate and anything I do. I fight for this country. Some of the whistle blowers allegations appear to center on Ukraine trump was asked if he knew if the whistle blowers complaint centered on July twenty fifth phone call with Ukrainian President Vladimir. There's Linski the president responded. I really know he continued to insist any phone. Call he made with that head of state was perfectly fine and respectful and then he berated reporters for asking about it so what exactly do reporters suspect what Democrats suspect here well all of these speculation is revolving around an article article in the UK independent release the information that is covered by this article from two days ago in Kiev Kim Kim Sim Gupta reporting Ukraine's new President Vladimir Lewinsky was fulsome in expressing his gratitude to Donald Trump for the military aid package because they've now received a military aid package worth two hundred million two hundred and fifty million dollars the former professional professional comedian insisted his relationship with the former reality TV star was very good and that he was sure we will have a meeting in the White House but the two hundred fifty million dollars of arms for Ukrainian forces which are confronting russian-backed separatists has been enmeshed in a bitter battle between the US president and his opponents over accusations that he has tried to manipulate it for underhand political reasons the trump administration had in fact suspended the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative agreeing to unblock it only after rising bipartisan clamor from Congress the extensible reason the holdup was to ensure that it tallied with interest the real reason critics claim was to pressure the Ukrainian government to target Joe Biden through an investigation into corrupt allegations against his son and so this would be the exact parallel of was Joe Biden holding back American loans in order to get Ukraine to a prosecutor who is targeting his son so this would be the other side of that this this would be donald trump threatening to hold back two hundred and fifty million dollars in American aid unless Ukraine targeted an investigation on Joe Biden and Hunter Biden both of those who'd be of quid pro quo both those would be illegal. Both of those would be impeachable members of the trump administration have claimed the biden then Obama's vice president had pressured Ukrainian authorities orders to drop an investigation into Burma in energy company operating in the country on which his son Hunter was a board member so Democrats are of course investigating getting now. This is still speculation right that that entire story is based on speculation and it sort of depends on how from worded this whole thing and president trump is clumsy about out his words president trump is constantly calling on everybody to investigate everybody and he using the Doj Shin estimate net flicks for their deal with Obama so does even know what he's talking about is always eight is always a solid defense for president trump in fact that was his biggest defense really during the Mueller investigation was yeah. He was saying that he didn't want Muller there. Yeah he was saying that maybe should fire muller but that was just the president mouthing off so was this just the president mouthing off was the mouthing off serious was connected to actual United States taxpayer dollars according to the independent there have been claims that trump had refused to meet misters Alinsky after his election this year and that US officials have warned this would continue to be the case unless the Ukrainian authorities authorities reopened the Brisbane files that the investigation on Joe and Hunter Biden so that is all the speculation that fit to print today and that is the speculation and this is what is causing the the allegations of cover-up so according to Adam Schiff. That's the reason that there's a cover up is because trump was engaged in a quid pro quo ordeal to use the Ukrainian government as a tool to investigate his most dangerous American political opponent and that would be violation of law and probably impeachable if he was just gathering information from the Ukraine garment not impeachable not illegal bad not impeach will not illegal if in fact there's a pro quo then you're talking about illegality so we just don't have enough information information now to to know what went on what happened what was said presumably the stuff is going to break at some point but what we'll be the impact on American domestic politics going forward. We'll talk about that in just one moment I it is glorious time of the week. 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He's coming for our subscribers in the very very very near future so go check us out right now the largest fastest growing consumer podcast and radio show in the nation and so ironically one of the impact of this whole this whole Mia's matic bizarro world situation in which trump is now being accused of engaging in a quid pro quo the evidence is not there for that and which is being accused of engaging in a cover up the the evidence. Isn't there for that yet either one of the weird things that could happen here is that the person most damaged could be in fact Joe Biden why because if it turns out that what ends up at the center of the news from all this is again the Joe Biden Hunter by new crane connection and that president trump's come back to you guys keep talking about my quid pro quo Lanchester talk about slow Joe's sleep gels quid pro quo if that's how trump treats this then he could sully Biden as corrupt which is what he did with Hillary Hillary Clinton and rightly so who that benefited Benfit Elizabeth Warren of course because Elizabeth Warren be like I agree job I never should engaged in these kinds of conflicts of interest. He's he's part of the problem. She can continue her fight his anti-corruption Crusader which would be very very good for her so ironically the tax on trump manned backfiring on Biden so it may be that by highlighting the trump Ukraine connection which is truly about the investigation of Joe Biden it ends up raising to public profile once again the Joe Biden story just as the focus on Donald Trump in the last election cycle ended with trump wheeling and pivoting and hitting Hillary Clinton's emails over and over and over to the point where it hurt Hillary a lot more than her trump well you could see exactly the same thing happened right here. Where trump gets clock for the Ukraine connection to his campaign and and then he says well the only the only reason we are investing is because of Sleepy Jiao and jobs over there saying well? I'm not corrupt he's corrupt and and trump. I'm not corrupt. He scrimped and Elizabeth is worn over here saying they're both corrupt. They're both corrupt and everybody started throws up their hands and says well you know she's not corrupt. It actually does benefit in a bizarre way Elizabeth form which could in fact benefit trump because if you believe that Elizabeth Warren runs weaker against trump than Joe Biden does then knocking uncle joe out of the box with allegations about corruption could mean a trump versus warren race instead of a trumpers Biden race now. Let's be real about this. Trump hasn't heavy work to do before or he is competitive truly competitive in this presidential race right now in the polling data Fox News polling case of this is not left wing public policy center pulling okay. This is the this is Fox News. Polling trump is lagging pretty far behind nearly every candidate trump has managed to slightly close the gaps APPs with Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris but he is still trailing Joe Biden by fourteen points according to that Fox News Bill for Biden. The news is is not only that he's crushing trump head-to-head according to mediate he leaves by an even greater margin in a head to head matchup with the surgeon warn if the Democratic primary were between those two fifty three percents that they'd support Biden to thirty seven percent for Warren. Maybe as the field windows it actually doesn't move over to Elizabeth Warren. Maybe it does move over to Joe Biden however if you look at the numbers for president trump it is not it is not great. He loses to every single Democrat against whom his running now again. These polls are fourteen months out it. It is important to mention here that the polls fourteen months out actually have not been completely non-productive. They're pretty close to the reality in two thousand and two thousand twelve and two thousand sixteen but if you look look at these polls if trump is going to pick an opponent then presumably the the opponent he would want to pick. Is Somebody Like Elizabeth Warren and Democrats. That's not by the way forty two percents of Democrats according to this Fox News poll say that the candidate most likely to beat donald trump is joe biden seventeen percent say Bernie Sanders only twelve percent say Elizabeth Warren most most Democrats by the way say that they are mostly interested in the candidate who is most likely to be trump trump. They're not as interested in the candidate who they most like period so that gives Joe Biden advantage but if Biden is suddenly perceived as vulnerable if it appears that in a face face to face against trump he's going to suffer then that Patina disappears his entire campaign right now is riding on the idea that he is going to be trump easily well. If that starts to fade then Elizabeth warn can make the case while trump is gonNA clock him on corruption can't clock me on corruption. That's not a terrible case for her. It really is not so if you look at the the match up here is here's the match ups okay so according to according to the game is a Fox News poll Biden would be trump today if the election were held fifty two thirty eight which his brutal according to Elizabeth Warren much much much closer forty six to forty in favor of Elizabeth Warren Against Kamala Harris Forty two forty which means in all likelihood trump wins against Bernie sanders sanders forty eight to forty then means that Elizabeth Warren runs the weakest but she could be the beneficiary of this whole Shebang in the first place now all of that is barring barring actual evidence that trump engaged in tax payer funded quid pro quo and it is super irritating that trump if trump was sloppy about his verbiage on this call with Ukrainian the president if in fact he just decided to be big mouth and to say things that could be interpreted one of two ways. It's irritating for Republicans for sure why because we just went through a two year investigation basically about presidential sloppiness the entire obstruction of justice second section of the report in my opinion is about trump mouthing awful awful lot and people interpreting at one of two credible ways. Do you really want to do that again. Is that really what the country needs again that that is the that is the question for president trump. However is this in the end going to damage from what barring some sort of real bombshell? The answer is no meanwhile the twenty twenty Democratic candidates are of course going at it right now. The guns are starting to open up on Elizabeth Warren just a little bit because she is unrealistic in all of our promises the rapin on more than there hasn't been a serious wrap worn other than she's a phony but that is a wrap on worn and goes to the Pocahontas thing right. She claimed the choose native American for literally decades. It turns out that she's native American as I am and Elizabeth Warren continues to dissemble about her own policy agenda so people keep saying she has a plan. She has a plan yes but her plans make no percents. Her plans are completely idiotic so yesterday for example she was asked about her medicare for all plan and she simply lied she said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. I'm old enough to remember when Barack Obama I said that and that was why then why now here's Elizabeth Warren Line. I understand you like your doctor. You like your nerves. You probably like your physical therapist. If if you have to have have one may like your pharmacist a lot what Medicare for all is about is making sure. You're going to get access to all of that the idea behind this is every doctor doctor every nurse. Every pharmacy is going to be covered okay that that is not correct pay. If you like your doctor you will not be able to keep your doctor because your doctor doctor may retire. Your doctor may not want to engage in the business of dealing with Medicare for in which he's not talking about is cramming down doctors medicare payments by eliminating dating private healthcare insurance if she doesn't think that means that people drop out of the medical field. She's out of her mind. She's really out of her mind already in the United States there's a tremendous lack of primary care doctors primer it might my wife is a primary care doctor but part of the reason for that is because thank God with our combined income. She doesn't need to be working as a specialist. If you're a medical student right now you're told this in in medical school by those who know is that your best option for becoming wealthy and earning back all the money you spend on medical education is going into one of the so-called Oh called Road Fields Radiology ophthalmology anesthesiologists or mythology why because you're dealing more with private insurance than you are with with Medicaid or Medicare so unless she is willing to talk about radically raising the reimbursement rates for Medicare which spends something like eighty percents on the dollar versus insurance companies you're GONNA is he your doctor disappear. He may not take Medicare and she actually going to be able to outlaw all private health insurance in the competent in the country is she gonNa get rid of Medicare advantage which allows people to pick supplemental. Oh health insurance. This is a bunch of nonsense. This is a bunch of nonsense. She's getting called out for it. So P Buddha judge who has instead proposed sort of the Joe Biden Plan Dan you know he medicare for all wanted meaning that you should be able to opt into Medicare if you want Medicare but if you want private health insurance you should be able to keep it their problems with the public option which is what that is called namely that the federal government either will underfund the public option which case nobody will go to it and then the only people who will beyond our super set costing tax tares inordinate amounts of dollars or that it will be so heavily subsidized the people drop out of private insurance altogether thus creating the same exact promises Medicare looking for all in any case people to judge he correctly points out to Jake Tapper that Elizabeth Warren's answers on Healthcare are deeply warren is known for being straightforward and and was extremely evasive when asked that question and we've seen that repeatedly I think that if you are proud of your plan and it's the right plan you should defend it in straightforward. We're terms and I think it's puzzling that when everybody knows the answer to that question of whether her plan and Senator Sanders plan will raise middle class taxes is yes why you wouldn't just say hey though so and then explain why you think that's the better way forward. This is correct. He is correct points to people to judge and again. I think this will start to take a toll on Elizabeth Warren. I'm shocked then nobody his hit her so far. I'm being a deeply dishonest politician which she obviously and eminently as okay meanwhile north of the border controversy continues to Engulf Justin Trudeau or we like to call him here at the show handsome Bernie Sanders Melissa Jaz Mandi who is a columnist over at the New York Times. She has a piece today called the downfall of Canada's Canada's dreamy boyfriend which is hilarious to me and Justin Trudeau says I talked about this yesterday. Do I think that people's lives and careers should be ruined because you discovered a picture from twenty years go in which they are wearing dark makeup and they didn't necessarily intend to be racist but it was racist incident or at least it was a racial incident was a stereotypical incident. Does that mean that you should toss him out of office. Now doesn't mean you should ruin their career. The answer is no. I think that's bad for the country I think is bad for the culture. I think it is a lack of forgiveness and a lack of you've charitable charitable interpretation of people's behavior. There's there's a concept in Judaism called Tomahawks clues lose meaning that you're trying you should attempt to see everybody's behavior in the best possible as opposed to the worst in the political world. Obviously that does not apply. I will say that if anybody he deserves this on a sort of cosmic level it is Justin Trudeau who has made a career out of being a complete asshole at with regard to his own chiding of people for not being woken up. He's been the woke prince in the Woke Kingdom of Canada for example there was this little incident that happened just a couple of years ago in which a a person asthma question about mankind and he chided her for for not using the word humankind was absolute absurdity. We came here today to ask you to also look into the policies that religious charitable organizations have in our legislation so that it can also be changed because maternal love is the love. That's going to change the future of mankind so we'd like you to say people kind not necessarily mankind include more reclusive Bagley. Oh my God people kind it's more CL- mankind means people kind you stupid ass okay by this is who Justin Trudeau as so he really does deserve what he is getting on a cosmic cosmic level and he deserves it also because he has engaged in this whole intersection -ality woke off off so again he doesn't like yesterday. Even during his apology he did the abject apology routines as we must recognize intersection -ality intersection -ality is super duper important Jordan really what he should say. Is We have to recognize when people do things that violate other's sense of propriety when people do things that are inherently offensive but honestly I. I apologized already for all of this. I didn't mean to offend anybody. I know better now because we all know better now. Let's move on instead. He doubles down on the standard well. If you're going to double down on the standard then we're GONNA hold the standard so here's Justin Trudeau talking about the idiocy that is intersection -ality. We've taken many concrete actions to fight against racism to fight against intolerance prince the fight against anti black racism specifically to recognize unconscious bias and systemic discrimination that exists in Canada and elsewhere swear to work to overcome and recognize intersection that people live with in a in a way that so many of us simply cannot understand under appreciate the microaggressions and the challenges being faced live by the intersectional door dive a sword die by the intersectional or you really that the microaggressions that people live with this seems like a microphone right here like this picture here of him dressed up in brown face as Aladdin in two thousand one that seems like a little bit micro aggressor also the video of him dressed in black face with an Afro also the other picture of him dressed in black face with an Afro. It's at little micro aggressor so again does does battle on a cosmic level deserve what he is getting absolutely absolutely you know when he when he's walking around doing what he did. Yesterday I acknowledge come from privilege. Okay well you ask for a bunny. It's coming around the clock here right in the side of the head Lynton cal getting ready for the McDonald's Burger but enjoy have always acknowledged that I come from a place of privilege but I now need to knowledge that comes with a massive blind spot I have dedicated my leadership and my service to Canada to try and counter intolerance and racism everywhere. I can't wanting to go to wanting to do better. Simply isn't good enough and you need to take responsibility for mistakes lakes that hurt people who thought it was an ally see if you're a good person maybe what Justin Trudeau Ado here. If you're a better person I should say maybe Brazil. If you're a better person more generous person what you would do here is he would recognize that the problems that he is currently facing problems created by a world view that he embraces worldview that suggests that everything offensive means is that the person who offended whether within ten thousand ten needs to be wrecked and ruined and dragged through the mud instead. He's going to do this now a struggle session where he gets to uphold the standard while retaining his office and not losing his power that is hypocrisy if you're upholding the standard because it doesn't apply to you anybody else this happened to just interrupt call for their head but it's just introduce does who is not resigning then that makes you a hypocrite hypocrisy. Isn't there's a standard. I didn't live up to the standard and now I ought to be punished because I didn't live up to the standard. That's not hypocrisy and it's also not hypocrisy to say the standard itself is wrong standard in ungenerous bad standard for society. That's not hypocrisy either. It is hypocrisy for Justin Trudeau who would stand there and call for the resignation of any official in his government who is found with done this to stand there and then say non. I think I'M GONNA stick right here. Guys I maintain my power but hey I acknowledged my white privilege. I acknowledged my the white privilege against speaking of the stupidity of intersection -ality. I just want to point something out so Justin Trudeau getting raked over the coals today because twenty thirty years ago he he was dressed in black face and brown face also yesterday Al Sharpton went and testified in front of Congress and he was asked by Matt Katz The Republican of Florida about history of Anti White Nancy Semitic remarks and the Democrats started to Boo Matt Gaetz for bringing this up so in other words depending on where you rank on the intersectional privilege hierarchy you get to be as awful as you want to be I mean Al Sharpton Souls Sean. MSNBC and if anybody brings that up you get booth here's gets going after Sharpton. Mr Scarborough's those resolution began by saying whereas the Reverend Al Sharpton has referred to members of the Jewish faith as bloodsucking Jews and Jew bastards. Is that true or did you not say those patently untrue never said that have you ever referred to members of the Jewish face as white interlopers diamond merchants. No Sir it's referred to one in Harlem and individual quite didn't even know Jewish as an interloper instead. I should never refer race whereas the Reverend Al Sharpton led a protests in the Crown Heights neighborhood and March next to a protester with a sign that read the white man is the devil. I've no recollection of that. I've watched in so many things where there were signs that I did or did not agree with okay so al Sharpton continues to maintain his position of privilege and power based on this intersectional hierarchy which which means the entire standard is corrupt because it turns out the entire standard is indeed correct. Okay time for a quick thing I like and then a thing that I hate so things that I like today so I was in New York as Y'all know as recording from there we had a roast over at commentary magazine which was they boasted me and it was pretty funny. I will say as roasted by a number of prominent political figures and I got to roast them back but while I was there my sister and I actually went and saw the musical dear Evan Hansen which had been highly recommended and it's it's really fascinating. It's fascinating musical so I think that it's well crafted some of the music I it's. It's kind of a pop rap pop rock musical. I I mean that's that's the method than the mode in which it is written but that that's okay because it's a modern musical. The basic premise of the show is that there is this kid named Evan Hansen who is dealing with some sort of unspecified defied anxiety disorder and he goes to school and he's writing a note to his therapist. He supposed to write these letters to himself about why it's going to be day he writes a note to himself about why his days actually GonNa be crappy and terrible and then he signs it to himself you print it out and another kid picks up the note and puts it in his pocket for a variety of reasons isn't and that kid ends up killing himself and so when they find the kids body they find Evan Hanson's note on this kid conner's body and think that it was a suicide note from Connor to Evan Hansen Hansen and Hansen is drawn into this kid's family because they are devastated of course and he starts making this fake history about how he and Connor has friends originally lead to make family feel better but then increasingly because he wants to be part of the family. It's really a fascinating premise for the musical. Here's a little bit of one of the key numbers in the musical. This was performed at the Tony Awards a couple years ago outstep out of the sun her out step out It's really really interesting musical one of the things that makes it interesting it is very involved with the impact of social media so through a variety of circumstances he ends up becoming the Social Media Star based on otherwise wise that he has told now one of the main issues that I have with the musical and not really giving too much away is that the the come up and that he receives his not consummate with the the continent with the crime that he commits you know actually even really learn why what he did was take morally wrong and this is I know a famous critique of the musical by a lot of people the first act though is really fantastic. The second act I think is weaker because they're not really sure what they wanNA. Say in the second act but it's it's really a fascinating musical about lying in the consequences of lying and the wages of social title media in which everybody is Virtue Signal and then virtue ripping people down. It's there's a lot that's that's pretty interesting about the musical so if you're ever in New York or if you see it on the national tour I I think it's worth seeing your Evan Hansen. Go check that are okay time for a quick thing that I hate already so Pudi Pie is the second most popular content creator on Youtube and full disclosure have appeared in pupae video next name okay but pupae was ripped up and down on the other day because people are accusing him of wearing a German iron cross video where he announced that he was retracting a donations the anti-defamation league now the reason he was retracting the donation into the eighty dollars because the ad L. is indeed politically biased in pretty significant ways but he was ripped for supposedly signalling to Nazis and he said this is crazy. He says there's a there's a brand called vitamins which is a street wear brand founded by George and designer Domna Sally has some people took the sweater as way for me to symbolize. What's that I'm a Nazi that cross people were very sure that it was a Nazi Cross and people started attacking me because of it never mind the fact is that it's Georgia characters literally right next to it which is true because I don't know oh the iron cross adding? I heard something about it but I don't know about these things. I don't care about these tiny Nazi references. It's crazy the crossing Georgia's a very important symbol. It's literally using their flag. The brand I was wearing vitamins adamant is anything but a Nazi brand as spoken about the brand before I really liked the brand. The fact is that the so-called Iron Cross here okay that it was used by the Nazis but it didn't originate with the Nazis and it's not as overtly Nazi as for example the swastika I mean the fact is that there are a bevy of of brands that use that that particular symbol right vacheron Constantin is a famous watch brand and they use the Maltese cross which looks a lot like the Iron Cross K. The an N. that I mean basically identical I mean it's so it's really do you really think the peach pies and guys or he just trying to go after Pudi Pie because you don't like him and he's popular one of the things that we see is that in in our Social Media Age is that you only rep people down when they become successful so and no points at anybody called. PD pilots then became famous and rich and then it was oh he's an Ati and it's the same thing that you're seeing with Justin Trudeau for years. These pictures could come out. They didn't same thing with Ralph northern same kyle cashew right the minute that he became successful and people start paying attention to him and who's admitted to Harvard then all of a sudden all the bad stuff came out about him. This is the height of Irrit- Irritating Stupidity. It really really is if you're going to target people folks my in target them based on in reality not based on your sick twisted fancy that everybody is secretly a Nazi who you don't particularly like it's ridiculous okay. We'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content if you don't wish to subscribe which you should then have yourself a wonderful weekend. We'll be back here on Monday to recap all of it for you. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. 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New scandals spin from impeachment, despite Democrats' narrow focus

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New scandals spin from impeachment, despite Democrats' narrow focus

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. MSNBC happy to have you here so what we are learning in this time in American history. Is that not. Everybody gets a soft landing. Some people do some people. Don't but you can't necessarily predict it in advance. It really depends on the circumstances if you are going to get caught up. In one of these trump administration scandals woe be unto. You if you think you can see from the beginning how it's going to end for you once you get caught take for example. What happened on Friday? When the president's longest term political adviser Roger Stone was convicted on seven? Felony Felony counts now under statutory guidelines. That means stone could be facing literally decades in prison. He is not that young man and when you see on paper that he could be looking at like fifty fifty years in prison. It kind of looks like the end of the world for somebody like Roger Stone the end of his free life right but the the statutory maximum sentence. The sentencing might right. Theoretically get on. Paper is nowhere near what he's actually likely to get the guidelines for example suggest a sentence much shorter than the statutory maximum also. It's his first defense. It's sort of a white collar offense. Although I'm not quite sure what the dividing line is there any case nobody really. We think he's GonNa get decades in prison. Thought it is seven felony counts including witness tampering. which is a serious one and there's an interesting thing that Happened right at the end of the day in court on Friday right after the jury read out their verdict about Roger Stone in what was something of a surprise the prosecutors in the stone case asked as soon as the judge was as soon as the verdict was read. They asked the judge to remand Roger Stone in custody to put him in jail. That day. Right then ravin allow him to go home again as he'd been able to do during the course of his trial. Here's how it went in court. The judge does the government have a position with respect to the defendants release pending sentencing date. Prosecutor yes your honor. The government moves for the defendant to be remanded to custody the judge. Alright what would would be the basis for that. At this time the prosecutor you're on our throughout the pendency of these proceedings. The defendant has shown an unwillingness or inability to abide by the conditions of release. The court set for him. The court has already held two hearings on that issue. As the court noted at the show cause hearing back in February the defendant's inability or unwillingness to abide by are those orders affects the safety of the community in light of the jury's verdict. Today that presumption has now shifted and I think that given the defendant's failure to comply live with these orders in the past. He cannot make the showing necessary to overcome that presumption I would note also that the charges of which the defendant now stands convicted are serious yes they include obstruction of justice and tampering with a witness. So that's the prosecutors and Roger Stone's case the hearing the verdict is unanimous guilty verdict on all seven felony counts for which he was being tried. That's the prosecutors. Asking the judge to lock him up to to put him in jail while he awaits. It's sentencing now that he's been convicted and the judge and the Roger Stone case. Although she had repeatedly had to adjudicate these little crises for Roger Stone broke broke those orders about how he was supposed to behave while he was out on bail awaiting his trial despite the fact that she'd had all that trouble with him early on in his criminal proceedings she never the last hold the prosecutors. She was not going to remind him to custody the judge saying basically that at least for now she still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I believe that since the last time I entered the order at least the third time that Mr Stone has largely adhered to it and we have not had to reconvene and we have not. I've had to deal with problems of that nature. He has been here for every court appearance. I have no reason to believe that he's not going to be here at his next court appearance and while there was a rough start I will release Lisa on his current conditions pending the sentencing date. At which point Roger Stone presumably exhaled learning that he would not be put in jail that day to await his sentencing date right. He was not going to go directly from the courtroom with the seven. Guilty verdicts right into federal custody but then the judge I did go on to do one other thing which is quite unusual. The court orders that Roger Stone the court order that Roger so defying during his his his pretrial proceedings and during his trial. Those were largely related to this order. The judge had put on him which we commonly called a gag order which said that Roger Stone wasn't allowed to make any public statements or statements to the media about his case that had been the rule that supposed to govern his behavior in pre-trial proceedings and while he was on trial he broke broke a couple of times and the judge kept yelling at him about it. Ultimately he cooled off on that sort of the prosecutors saying he broke those kinds of rules often enough that you should lock them up now. Judge Watch now that he has been convicted. The judge says no I think he can continue to abide by these rules but even as she decided that she wouldn't remand him to custody today she wouldn't lock them up in federal custody awaiting his sentencing date she decided she was GonNa keep the gag order on him. She said quote ordinarily I would release the defendant that from media From the media communication order at this time since its primary purpose was to ensure a fair and impartial jury. I if the if the purpose of a gag bag order in your case if you're on trial the judge gags you and says you cannot speak publicly you cannot speak to the media that is almost always so that you can't mess up the ability to get at a fair jury for your trial you're going to somehow infect the public knowledge of your trial and your case that's GonNa make it too hard to find a jury. That's going to be impartial about you. That's GonNa mess with your ability to get a fair trial. That's usually the basis for a gag order. Well once you've already gone on trial and the jury has already pronounced you guilty. That imperative of his over right so usually once you get convicted the gag orders off and you can say anything you want about your trial right once. You are convicted. In Roger Stone's case the judge decided that she's going to keep the gag order on him even though he's already convicted saying that in this case beyond the initial need to protect the fairness of the jury proceedings beyond that and extending now even past his conviction the judge said there was also a concern quote for the safety of members of the community munity in particular people who are connected to this case. She's worried that you know. Roger Stone has already convicted convicted of seven felony counts. She's not going to force him to go to jail right away. While he awaits whatever's federal sentences going to be but this gag order. She's keeping it. He's still not allowed to speak publicly publicly. Speak to the media because the judge worried out loud in court that his public communications about his case might endanger people connected to that case. So just don't it's kind of a mixed bag right. He gets multiple felony convictions. He gets seven unanimous jury guilty verdicts on seven felonies days. But he gets something of a soft landing doesn't have to go to prison right away. That said he's still not allowed to speak on his own behalf. So it's kind of a soft landing followed by a few hard bounces. I'm not sure anybody could have predicted. That's exactly the way it would have gone for stone. And we'll still await his final fate and we figure out how much prison time he's GonNa get but consider also the case of Maria Bettina. Maria Patino was released from federal prison about three weeks ago after she served more than fifteen months in federal prison for acting as a foreign agent secretly working on behalf of the Kremlin to influence Republican and Conservative political entities in this country ahead of the two thousand sixteen election particularly The NRA ouray. She did serve more than ear in federal prison three weeks ago. She was released and deported immediately to Moscow. When she landed in Moscow she was greeted with a hero's welcome flowers throngs of well-wishers tons of media greeting or at the airport? Today we learned that wall. Maria Boutin AH did did have to serve more than a year and us. Federal Prison Her homecoming was this celebratory thing when she got there on top of that as of today we have learned that Maria Maria Bettina has been offered her pick of several different high level jobs in the Russian government however we in the United States might view her Russian government mission to influence the Republican presidential primary in conservative politics. And even president trump's choice of cabinet officials all of things she was working on in conjunction with her Kremlin handler while she was operating in this country. Whatever we think of her success as a foreign agent operating on Moscow's behalf here inside Republican politics? Now that she's home in Moscow she's a hero and not only is she being zero. She is apparently destined for greater things in Russian in politics. But no sooner had we learned that today about Maria Bhutan in Moscow. Then we learned literally within hours of that news first crossing here. We learned that her American Boyfriend Longtime Republican political operative Paul Erickson who emerged in her criminal case as a key conduit do it for her as someone who helped steer her influence campaign with the NRA and with Republican politicians today. Maria Tina's American boyfriend. Paul Erickson himself himself pled guilty in federal court to wire fraud and money laundering charges. Now Mr Eriksson was never charged directly with anything related to his his relationship with or his assistance to Maria Patina when she was operating as the Kremlin's foreign agent here in Republican politics but his funding thing of Maria Buddha's efforts and his facilitation of her efforts inside. Republican politics It it does kind of get a wink in his plea agreement today today in terms of what he has just admitted to prosecutors in exchange. For what looks like it's going to be a more lenient. Federal sentence seeing this document that we just has got tonight United States of America plaintiff versus Paul Erickson. Defendant quote defendant states. The following facts are true and the parties agree that they establish a factual factual basis for the offense to which the defendant is pleading guilty. What my name is Paul Erickson? I'm a resident of Sioux Falls. South Dakota I falsely represented to investors that I would use their money to purchase real estate in the construction of single family homes in North Dakota which I did not do on March first two thousand seventeen. I accepted one hundred thousand dollars wire transfer from D G that was deposited into my wells. Fargo Bank account. This was supposed to be an investment in my business. I represented the DJ that the money would be used for development of real estate in North Dakota and that the amount would be repaid no later than August twenty seventeen my representations to digi caused him. I'm to wire transfer a one hundred to wire transfer one hundred thousand dollars to my bank account however I did not invest the money from d jeep and I did not repay d-g any of the money. He paid me. Furthermore from the one hundred thousand dollars I received from Digi I conducted a financial transaction. Should I transferred one thousand dollars to M. B. as alleged in count of the indictment all of this occurred in violation of federal law. Statute number static number Blah Blah Blah. So Paul Erickson fraudulently conning somebody out about money right obtaining not money from somebody who. He lied to what he was going to do with it. That is part of what he pled guilty to in federal court today but the other financial transaction that he pleads to sending sending money to Embiid embiid appears to be Maria. Tina the secret agent operating on behalf of the Kremlin to influence Republican in Conservative politics ahead of the two thousand sixteen election. Sending her money is part of what he pled to today as well so this guilty plea from Maria. Betino's boyfriend happened today in federal court in South Dakota. I should tell you I showed you one of the documents that was filed with his plea today alongside the documents that were filed publicly explaining explaining what he's pleading to prosecutors also filed a plea agreement supplement that we can't see it's filed under seal And that means we. The public are not allowed to read it. Now what's in that sealed document. We don't know obviously there's speculation that his plea agreement may have come with some sort of cooperation deal in which he agrees to provide information to prosecutors about other cases that commonly but not always happens with a guilty plea whether or not that applies is here in the case of Paula. Erickson that remains to be seen. I mean the role of the NRA. Both in the Russian influence operation involving Boutin and more broadly in the two thousand sixteen campaign. I mean they had ray remains a little bit of a dangling thread and the NRA has had a lot of its own financial and internal drama over the past to your or so that is basically consuming it as an organization right now but even so Paul Erickson pleading guilty with this sealed supplement to his a plea agreement as to potentially whether or not. He's cooperating that probably does not make the NRA a very happy place tonight knowing that that has just happened given his role in facilitating this Russian agent to get to the upper echelons of the NRA and their Republican power and their Republican contacts during the two twenty sixteen campaign. That guilty plea just happened tonight the same day. Maria Bhutani gets offered jobs in the Russian government's and meanwhile the president's residents being impeached and and it is clear from the Democratic majority in the house whenever you can get him to talk about their overall strategy eighty for the trump impeachment. It's clear that they are trying to keep it short. Keep it simple. Get done fairly quickly. But it's funny. In the more witnesses come forward and the more we learn about the scheme for which the president is being impeached. It seems like there's is more for the administration to worry about every day and the more people associated with this administration are learning. They need to worry about whether they eight themselves are going to be on the hook here. Take for example recently mysteriously resigned. US Energy Secretary. Rick Perry about a week ago the Associated Press had what I think was an underappreciated bombshell underappreciated big scoop about trump energy energy secretary Rick Perry and what the Associated Press disclosed about Rick Perry. It was somewhere on the ven diagram between sad and embarrassing and end in reaching in terms of America's international reputation in terms of what we're going to have to live down for the rest of our lives about how this administration has behaved saved the world stage when they had the reins of power. I mean it's GonNa take a long time to undo the way they have behaved in terms of the way were viewed around the world. When when the people of Ukraine elected themselves a young new outsider reformist president earlier this year and the inauguration for that new a young president was scheduled for May We now know thanks to the White House releasing notes from the first congratulatory phone call from President trump to that new president. We now no no that that new president in Ukraine a lot of Mir's alinsky explicitly and somewhat insistently told president trump that he really wanted president that trump himself to come to that inauguration to show American support for Ukraine to show that the American government would stand shoulder to shoulder with the new government in Ukraine rain. To bolster the standing of that new president to make clear that Ukraine still had a rock solid relationship with with with with with their most important ally and their most important military benefactor in their war against Russia despite those insistent and repeated requests from Dolinsky that trump himself should come at the inauguration. Trump's noted that trump administration decided not to do that. They originally scheduled vice president. Mike Pence to go to the inauguration. Instead we now understand from testimony to the impeachment inquiry that somewhat inexplicably sometime between late April and mid may say even though vice president pence had been scheduled to go to the inauguration and he was making plans to go and it all seemed like everything was on on track for that for some reason without explanation president trump changed his mind and cut. That often told vice president pence that no would not be allowed to go to that inauguration. We still don't understand why why ultimately the best that the US government could do to show its support for the new Ukrainian government. This new Ukrainian president was to send a lower level delegation headed up not by the president and not by the vice president but instead by this Guy Rick Perry and what the AP reported a week ago about how. Rick Perry comported himself on that trip and that inauguration is just one for the ages quote to political supporters orders of US energy secretary. Rick Perry secured a potentially lucrative oil and gas exploration deal from the Ukrainian government. Soon after Rick Perry proposed is one of the men as an advisor to the country's new president Ukraine awarded the contract to Perry supporters. A little more than a month after Perry attendance alinsky inauguration and in a meeting at the sidelines of that inauguration. Perry handed the new president of Ukraine. A list of people he was recommending as Energy Advisors is irs. One of the names is a longtime political backer of Rick Perry's from Texas a week later that Perry donor submitted a bid to drill for oil and gas on property controlled by the Ukrainian government despite offering millions of dollars less to the Ukrainian government compared with their only competitor for those drilling rights the entity created created by Rick Perry's Texas donor. Quote was awarded the fifty year contract by the Ukrainian government so concerned about corruption in Ukraine. Really wanted to crack down on them about their corrupt. I mean this is at a time when the US is holding up and threatening hundreds of millions of dollars dollars of aid including military aid to Ukraine it's at a time when the trump administration is demanding that the Ukrainian government needs to announce bogus investigations instigations into trump's political rivals. And then Rick Perry shows up and he's like the president. The vice president boat decided they didn't want to come but I'm here in I'm in charge. And Hey can you give my guys deal. I got these guys. Give me a bunch of money from my political campaigns back home in Texas and they want to do some drilling here know what I mean. Here's their names. Their biddle being in a week that was first reported week ago by the associated. Press Mysteriously Rick. Perry has resigned as the as the impeachment scandal has broken wide open. Wants to spend more time with his lawyers anyway now. I have to tell you big advance in this story in the midst of all of these impeachment hearings that are about to happen this week and everything we are learning. They're now that part of the scandal. Aw has just been borne out by testimony from a new witness. Who is one of these guys that we had never heard of at the outset of the impeachment investigation but this is just exactly what I'm talking about in terms terms of how the impeachment investigation is about something specific and about something narrowly focused but the more we learn the story of how the trump administration folks behaved in how the president behaved the more scandals? And the more potentially criminal behavior is being spun out from that Central Story and that is next stay with us. Are you concerned about what's in your hair color or maybe you just don't have the time to visit a salon every six weeks I get it. We'll good news. Madison Reed is a solution. To all of our hair-color woes. Its luxurious at home. Color made with ingredients. You can feel good about. That's right long. Gone are the days of being at your stylists mercy. You can get salon-quality results at home in your own time and for a lot less money. 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So the AP had this remarkable scoop just a week ago that when trump's energy secretary Rick Perry Parry went over to Ukraine in May for the inauguration of the new Ukrainian president while he was there he recommended a couple of top donors from home in Tex- home in Texas us to be energy advisors to the new Ukrainian President At least one of those top donors then one week later put in a bid for a sweet oil L. drilling deal on land owned by the Ukrainian government and he won that contract a fifty year contract from the Ukrainian government right after Rick. Perry had interceded seated on his behalf when he was over there doing official. US government business and attending that inauguration. That story was broken by the last week. Now we've gotten some official under oath. Confirmation of that story comes from David Holmes a career Foreign Service officer who was based at the US embassy in Kiev and who testified in the impeachment impeachment inquiry on Friday Mr Holmes Testified behind closed doors on Friday. We're about to hear from him in newly scheduled public testimony as as well. But here's what. He's testified to already quote in early. May We learned that Vice President Pence no longer plan to lead the presidential delegation to the inauguration in Ukraine. The White House ultimately whittled back an initial proposed list to the inauguration from over a dozen individuals to just five with Secretary Perry very at its head. The inauguration took place may twentieth. And I took notes and delegations meeting with presidents alinsky during that meeting Secretary Perry past past presidents Alinsky. A list passed him a list of quote people he trusts from whom Alinsky could seek advice on energy sector reform form that was then the topic of subsequent meetings between Secretary Perry and key Ukrainian energy sector contacts meetings from which US Embassy Z personnel were excluded by Secretary Perry's staff. Oh why didn't you want the embassy staff there rick. Perry is one of the handful. Handful of trump administration officials who suddenly inexplicably resigned from his high position in government as soon as the impeachment scandal started breaking open. Rick Perry is one of these people for whom his own role is getting stickier and more problematic. The more we learn we also learned from that same foreign service offers certain David Holmes in his testimony we learned about President trump personally enquiring as to whether Ukraine was going to do the investigations that he wanted David. Holmes overheard a phone call between President Trump and ambassador Gordon Sunlen after Sunlen called the president on an unsecured cellphone at a public restaurant in a key of their conversation was conducted loud enough so that people sitting nearby could hear every word the president said remind me what they wanted to lock Hillary Clinton up up for again away just before we got on the air tonight. The impeachment committee is just released. The full transcript of David Holmes. MM says closed door testimony from this weekend which includes this about that phone call. Let me move ahead to the call that you overheard at the restaurant you said. Ambassador Awesome Sunland placed this call on his mobile phone answer. Yes Sir Question did that cause you any concern about the security of the phone call answer. It was surprising to me that he well. Yes in my experience. Generally phone calls with the president or very sensitive and handled accordingly question and making a cell phone call from Ukraine and is there a risk of the Russians listening in answer. I believe at least two of the three if not all three of the mobile networks are owned by Russian companies ace or have significant stakes. Those which generally assumed that mobile communications in Ukraine are being monitored monitored by the Russians. David home also testifies that despite this line that we're now getting from the White House from the president supporters in Congress even sometimes from the president himself That his pressure on Ukraine to deliver these politically useful investigations. But somehow okay because he was very interested in anticorruption the efforts not only do we get the what Rick Perry was doing on behalf of the trump administration in Ukraine counterexample. For that. He's literally they're hooking up his donors with oil and gas drilling contracts while he's there being an official US government in addition to that we get new testimony from David homes that when the US embassy in Kiev that staff there at the embassy put together a package of actual anticorruption efforts to pitch to the trump White House to try to persuade eight president trump. That he should schedule a White House. Meeting with the Ukrainian president turns out those generic nonspecific not individually individually targeted anticorruption efforts. That they were preparing and that they were pitching to the president. Those were of no interest to president trump quote within week or two. It became apparent that the anticorruption efforts on which we were making progress. We're not making a dent in terms of persuading the White House to schedule a meeting. Between in the president's turns out the trump White House wasn't interested in pursuing the anti-corruption stuff they just wanted investigations into Joe Biden right and and that is very damning testimony if the defense of the president relies on the idea that he really is all about anticorruption efforts in that was really what he was trying to get done on there when the people who actually worked on those things couldn't get their freaking calls return right couldn't make a dent is his face couldn't get anywhere with the trump White House while they were working on actual actual anti-corruption because the trump White House did not care about that they only cared about getting specific investigations into the president's domestic political rivals. Well tonight that Career Foreign Service officer David Holmes whose closed door testimony we can now access as of this evening. He has just been added to the list of Public Impeachment Schmidt hearing witnesses he'll be testifying on Thursday afternoon alongside veteran national security official Fiona Hill now tomorrow morning starting at nine. Am Eastern time. We're GONNA have testimony from two side-by-side witnesses it'll be lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vincent who's The top Ukraine official the National Security Council held testify alongside Jennifer for Williams who is a career foreign service officer who worked in Vice President. Mike Pence's office. You'll recall that Carl. Vincent's testimony made headlines Finds for days after he gave his closed door deposition. What he recounted in what turns out to have been quite dramatic? Testimony was his reaction to listening in on the call on July. Twenty fifth between President Trump and presidents. Alinsky what he thought was so wrong about that call and what he did immediately after that call wrapped he went immediately to the national security. Council's top lawyer with his concerns that he might have heard something not just improper but potentially illegal on that that call curnow Inman also explained in his deposition that he took detailed notes on that call. About what exactly the two presidents talked about. He said some of the detailed detailed corrections he proposed to the White House notes from that call weren't made even though he took notes and was asked to give correction suggested those corrections and then they. We're just not accepted the official he's going to be testifying alongside tomorrow Jennifer Williams in her deposition. She corroborated that from Alexandra vitamins she corroborated. There were specific things discussed on that. Call that for whatever reason weren't included in the official White House notes that were released of that call Jennifer Williams light light. Colonel Vitmain said that the Ukrainian president specifically mentioned this one company Burris MMA. That's the specific investigation that president trump was demanding about Joe Biden Jennifer Williams in her testimony in her deposition corroborates colonel. Vince claim that the Ukrainian president used that word mentioned that company by name. She says she she made a note of it specifically even though the White House call notes. Don't reflect that the Ukrainian president ever mentioned that company. Now that that may have just been an oversight by the White House. Note takers but it's weird that they didn't take the correction on that when they were told that they missed it and substantively. If the Ukrainian President Accident Did specifically mention that company what Colonel Vin man has suggested is important about that is that it may indicate that the Ukrainian president wasn't hearing for the first time time on that call that the president wanted investigations. It would indicate that he knew exactly which investigations president trump was asking for. Because that call was just part part of what had been an ongoing campaign where those specific investigations of Joe Biden Burris. Ma were being demanded of the new Ukrainian president and his government. I should tell you. The Jennifer Williams's deposition is also just in broad terms. Just going to be really difficult for the White House to get around against. She's a career foreign service officer. She's been detailed to the vice president's office in her deposition justice selection here quote during the July twenty fifth call. Did you have any concerns about the conversation that you heard. Between President Trump and presidents alinsky Jennifer Williams was also colonel. Arnold women listening in on that call Williams answers quote. I certainly noted that the mention of these specific investigations seemed unusual as compared to other discussions with foreign born leaders. I believe those references to be more political in nature and so that struck me as unusual William says quote. I believe I found this specific references to be more specific to the president in nature to his personal political agenda as opposed to a broader foreign policy objective of the United States. She says quote it struck struck me as unusual and inappropriate. Follow up question. Well how did it make you feel and Williams answers quote. I guess for me it shed some light on possible possible other motivations behind the security assistance hold should also be noted. Jennifer Williams is the only official from vice president. Mike Pence's his office. Who has been called to testify in the impeachment proceedings? Thus far at least at least that we know of to the extent that the vice president's own implication in the scandal really hinges entirely on his assertions and assertions of unnamed people around him that he was totally ignorant of this whole campaign. He didn't know what was going on. He had no idea that president trump was holding up military aid and making White House meetings and other things contingent on Ukraine coughing up specific investigations vice president pence was directly involved in this pressure campaign. His defense is that it was unwitting that he didn't realize allies. What exactly he was pressuring Ukraine to do when he told them they weren't getting their military aid Jennifer Williamson her testimony that well she worked in Vice President Pence his office advising him on this part of the world and she says that she specifically flagged for Vice President Pence in his daily briefing? Not only the notes from trump's call with Zelenskaja which trump pressed for investigations and repeatedly mentioned Joe Biden. She says before that she specifically flagged for vice president pence that Rudy Giuliani was making making these public claims saying that he wanted the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and to investigate the two thousand sixteen campaign because that would benefit his client. President Trump Jennifer Williams is saying vice. President Pence was advised that this campaign was going on according to Re Juliani and that this campaign was being carried out by the president on his calls with the Ukrainian government so vice president pence wants to say he doesn't know that stuff was happening. He has to pretend he doesn't read. I guess Jennifer Williams's testimony and Alexandrovich testimony. Tomorrow should both be fascinating. They both start at nine. Am in the afternoon. It'll be tim. Morrison and Kurt Volker. Interestingly both to Morrison and Kurt Volker have also resigned their positions in the government just as the impeachment inquiry got underway Kurt Volker Walker was the US envoy to Ukraine. He likely tomorrow. We'll have to clean up some of his earlier closed door testimony. That has now been contradicted by multiple other witnesses including including issues about his own involvement and pressing Ukraine to announce these investigations if they wanted to get a White House meeting to Morrison's testimony behind closed doors was described by at least one Republican member of the impeachment committees as quote alarming. Among the things we learned from Morrison's testimony was that President Trump and I'm John Bolton the national security adviser who was fired from his job right as the hold on the Ukraine military aid was released president trump and John Bolton. Apparently we had a one on one meeting in the White House in which to Morrison says. Those two men discussed the president's reasons for not wanting to release the military leterrier aid to Ukraine to Morrison tells us that tells us that that meeting happened. That involved more involved John Bolton and the president the two of them together the other of course knowing what happened inside that meeting would depend on testimony from either the president himself right or from John Bolton himself and the question of Bolton's testimony is still at the very important Morrison's appearance tomorrow afternoon at this public hearing will further raise the stakes on the question of whether John Bolton himself. We'll come testify but alongside all of this that has been revealed in these impeachment proceedings. And all of this has been. That's it's been revealed. Just since the impeachment proceedings have been conducted in public for this past week alongside all of that you know it's open source reporting that continues to break. Take some of the most interesting stuff here on a day to day basis. I mean yes. There's this inquiry in Congress but then there's also your morning paper. I mean the Wall Street Journal this weekend reporting on emails about the pressure campaign on Ukraine which appear to be some of the communications that were subpoenaed from the State Department but the State Department hasn't been releasing any of that that stuff. Well the State Department may be trying to hold all that stuff in confidence. They may be trying to keep all that stuff from impeachment investigators but that paper trail can't be hidden by the State Department alone. Not If all the people involved in the scandal. We're going to start leaking those emails and Communications to the Wall Street Journal so they can report them on the front page similarly the Washington Post reporting this weekend that not only was the pressure campaign on Ukraine putting it risk their military aid and they're eight from the State Department and their White House meeting which Dolinsky still still has not had according to the Washington Post. This weekend rudy. Giuliani reportedly communicated to Ukrainian officials in the middle of this whole Michigan us that they weren't even going to get any phone calls with the trump White House moving forward unless they coughed up those investigations that were being demanded of them. That's new this weekend. From from Greg Miller Greg Jaffe and Paul Sony at the Washington Post and then there's the Associated Press as I mentioned earlier in the show. The Associated Press had that initial just absolute bombshell scoop about Rick. Perry going to the inauguration of Ukrainian president and wall these they're on the sideline of the inauguration handing handing the new president a piece of paper with his donors names on it and then magically one of those donors gets a gigantic contract from the Ukrainian government one week later awed that especially while we're working so hard on stopping corruption in Ukraine. But I gotTa tell you that same reporting team at the Associated Press. That broke that incredible story about Rick. Perry which has now been borne out by sworn testimony that same reporting team at the AP was also how we learned for the first time. That David Holmes this important new witness had overheard that phone call at a restaurant in Kiev between Gordon. Sunland and president trump himself inquiring about those investigations and the associated. Press was first to report that in addition today than homes overhearing that call there were other witnesses though at least one other official who. I'm could corroborate homes as account because more than one person sitting at that table could hear what trump was saying on that call and now all all that same reporting team at the Associated Press has a new skip that absolutely guts. The latest defense that Republican defenders of the President in Congress have been relying on in these public impeachment hearings. The thing they have been arguing is their strongest case. For why President Trump did nothing wrong here. That is right in the Bullseye of what the AP just reported in their latest scoop today and that reporter and that scoop are here next. Tis is the season to elect benefits through your work place. Most people know open enrollment as decision time for healthcare coverage. But it's also the perfect moment to reassess your life. Life Insurance needs to properly provide for their families. 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They can also help you find the right home and auto insurance and disability insurance too so when you're looking at your workplace benefits this month make sure to double check your life insurance options then go to policy genius dot Com to get quotes and apply in minutes policy genius the easy way to compare and Buy Life Insurance on September twenty fifth the same day the White House released the summary of the July twenty fifth trump Zilenski phone call where president trump pressured the new Ukrainian President Vladimir's Alinsky that needed needed to investigate Joe Biden that same day trump ends alinsky sat down face to face in front of cameras on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York asked by a reporter at that meeting whether he felt any pressure coming from president trump at that point the man sitting directly beside him be cranium. Rainy in President told that horde of reporters at that public meeting that he was not pushed. You might remember president trump immediately jumping into interject in other words. Yeah no pressure ever since that weird moment before the cameras. The president's allies in Congress have used those public comments buys Alinsky as a central talking point in their rebuttal of the impeachment allegations. It's been this constant refrain at the impeachment hearings by Republican lawmakers Presidents Alinsky. Himself says he was not pressured pressured. Then what are we impeaching. Someone for there was no pressure. He was not pressured he said so. Are you calling him. A liar is a couple of problems with that defense from the Republicans in Congress I it flies in the face of testimony by multiple administration officials. Witnesses like Bill Taylor who have said yeah the Ukrainians definitely definitely felt pressure here. the other problem is this brand new reporting today by the Associated Press by a reporting the Associated Press that keeps generating scoop after after scoop on this scandal. This new reporting from the Associated Press says that not only Dolinsky feel pressure. His staff actually notified US officials about that pressure and about misters alinskyites concerns about that pressure. As early as may even before he was inaugurated as Ukraine's new president president quote. US State Department officials were informed that the Ukrainian president was feeling pressure from the trump administration to investigate former vice president. Joe Biden even even before the July phone call that has led to impeachment hearings in Washington. That's according to people with knowledge of the matter in early May the AP reports officials at at the US embassy in Kiev including then ambassador. Marie Ivanovich were told that Zilenski was seeking advice on how to navigate the difficult position he was in state. Department officials in Kevin. Washington were briefed on Dolinsky concerns at least three times according to these two sources. Then there's this not only were. US officials aware about this pressure. And these concerns about the pressure coming from the incoming president of Ukraine Wlodzmierz. Alinsky not only. Did they hear about it. That they have briefings about it but quote notes summarizing alinsky worries or circulated within the Department at at which point you mark in Nogent he you note in the margins of your image. Your impeachment notepad here This means there is a paper trail and this means there other witnesses to subpoena joining us now is AP investigative reporter Desmond Butler who along with his AP colleagues broke the story. Mr Butler thank you very much for joining stunt. I really appreciate You making time. Thank you for having me. So I've been running down a few of the different stories that you have broken over the course of this scandal and you and your colleagues colleagues the AP have really done some. Some seminal work here let me just ask you a five summarized accurately this latest reporting about the pressure that the incoming Ukrainian president was feeling that I get the basic just of it right. You sure did now. Now what do I have left to say but I can draw something out of you in what you describe something that does sound like. It's going to have witnesses. Who can corroborate it? That may have a paper trail that could back it up. What sort of evidence might the impeachment investigators? Investigators be able to find to document how early the Ukrainian president knew that this pressure was on him. Well so we few weeks ago wrote about the meeting that's Alinsky called. And he he called in a bunch of advisers and one of them was the head of the state. Run Gas firm firm NAFTA GAS which you were talking about earlier and another was an American Former Obama administration official almost hawks team who was on the supervisory board of Nafta Gas and he flew in for this meeting To give advice because clearly the newly elected but not yet inaugurated Presidents Zilenski was was was concerned and didn't know how to navigate this strange situation. Sorry go ahead it. Don't don't let me interrupt. Yeah no no. It's okay okay. So he on Hochstein then briefed at least three officials in the embassy and some of them took notes and in the notes apparently which were circulated in email. They they called. They said that the meeting had been called to discuss us. Energy matters as a sort of cover story so that Celeski could actually ask about these political issues. Do we know whether these notes remain in the possession of the individuals. Who took them? Do we know if they're being held by the State Department. Obviously that's important since the State Department isn't responding to subpoenas and it seems like everything thing that anybody any of their employees handed over to them. They're just keeping and locking down Yeah so far. I don't know what the status of those emails emails are in terms of Mr Hochstein. He's not a State Department employee as far as I know. Do we know whether the impeachment investigators have pursued him as a potential witness here. I'm not aware that they have let me ask you also about a thread that you and your colleagues reported that I think is I think a really big deal and I'm very interested to see how it's all going to flesh out and it's the question of the behavior of Energy Secretary Rick Rick Perry When he was over in Ukraine for those Alinsky inauguration We got corroboration of your reporting when we got the testimony testimony of David Holmes Foreign Service Officer who was working in the US embassy in Kiev. Who says indeed as you reported while Perry was there for the inauguration he handed a piece of paper to the incoming inaugural the incoming cranium president telling him the? Here's my guys here's my campaign donors from Texas You Might WanNa talk to them about energy issues issues Homes didn't further address the issues that you reported about how at least one of those donors went on very shortly thereafter to receive a rich Contract from the Ukrainian government an oil undress gas drilling lace Is there any concern inside Ukraine or do you know of any concern among people involved evolved in that process as to whether or not that that process might have been corrupted by repairs influence. I haven't heard that concerned but I I do plan to go back and do more reporting on that issue Desmond Butler. AP Investigative Reporter. I WanNa let you go just so that you can keep churning more scoops so that I can keep talking about them. Thank you for taking the time tonight. Thank you come to stay with us. In federal record there are no cameras in Federal District Court Trial Court. There's not even audio. You never get any sort of recording whatsoever but in federal appeals court. Sometimes yes you do get audio of the arguments and because of that. Today we learned from a federal appeals court and we can't hear ourselves that Congress is officials investigating whether president trump lied under oath in the written answers that he provided to the special counsel. They're doing what now. This is part part of it. Yes this is apparently part of it. They confirm today in court surprise but we can hear it on tape. Check it out. We have at least two people people who have already been convicted of lying to Congress and lying about this and what are they lying about. They're lying about things. Go directly to the Mullahs report. Did the President Li- The president was the president not truthful in his responses to the Muller investigation the impeachment inquiry inquiry is impart focusing on the call Ukraine matter but it is also absolutely clear and this is what I said to chief judge. How is looking at the Mullahs report? The Muller reports discussion of did the president carry out of structure of justice and related possible Bad acts did the president. Li- did the president. Ally was the the president not truthful in his written responses to the Mueller investigation. Surprise the house. Impeachment committees are also looking at whether president trump lied to the special counsel in the written answers. He turned in almost exactly one year ago today. Now why is this coming up now. Well it's it's worth noting that in those written answers. President trump claimed to have no recollection whatsoever of Roger Stone. His long-serving political adviser communicating with with wikileaks or the president talking to Roger Stone about that or Roger Stone communicating anything about wikileaks to anybody on the trump campaign. Well it's also worth noting that seventy two hours ago. Roger Stone was convicted on seven federal criminal counts including lying to Congress about his communications with wikileaks. And the way he communicated about those things to to the trump campaign late today the DC Circuit Court of Appeals decided not to hand over secret grand jury information from the Mullahs report. That might pertain to this issue. At least not right away. They schedule oral arguments early January but now we know what the stakes are. Watch this space. Ace that's going to do it for US tonight. I'll see you again tomorrow from here in Atlanta where we are burning the midnight oil L. preparing for Wednesday's Democratic presidential debate because not enough going on on M._S._N._B._C..

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NPR News: 11-19-2019 5PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 11-19-2019 5PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt. Volker is now testifying before for the house. Impeachment Inquiry Republican Committee members requested Volker testify regarding the trump administration's push with the Ukrainian government to investigate corruption option is NPR's. Tim Mack Explains Volker had said he did not see that as a reference to investigations of the Biden's Volcker said he had personally known former Vice President Joe Biden and that he found allegations. That Biden was corrupt. Not to be credible at no time. Was I aware of or knowingly took part in an effort to urge Ukraine to investigate former vice president biden the the former special envoy said that if president trump had specifically asked him to request an investigation into the Biden's he would have objected to it. He says that he now understands with what. The impeachment inquiry has found that he was missing various pieces of the puzzle and that he quote should have seen that connection differently his testimony comes alongside that of former. NFC Staffer Tim Morrison to Mac. NPR News Washington. The White House is slamming the latest round of public impeachment hearings on Capitol Hill White House. Press Secretary Stephanie. grissom today dismissing. The testimony is a little more than personal opinions and conjecture and President Trump speaking during a cabinet meeting said he's been following proceedings on television television right now. You have a kangaroo court headed by little shifty shifts where we don't have lawyers we don't have witnesses. We don't have anything and yet I just got to watch. And the Republicans are absolutely killing it. They are doing so well. Because it's a it's a scam too. Big Scam the public this morning and into the early afternoon heard from Lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vin men who serves on the National Security Council and Career Foreign Service Officer. Jennifer Williams trump is personally criticized than administer still works for the White House House. Lawmakers have approved a short term spending measure designed to fund the government on a largely party line vote and bears Claudio grew salish. Let's reports the legislation needs to win. Full Congressional approval by Thursday or the government will be shut down the month-long funding measure. Now heads to the Senate it would keep the government afloat until December December twentieth. Democrats were largely behind the measure but only a dozen Republicans voted in favour. Arkansas Republican Steve Womack said he was opposed because temporary funding. Funding isn't the answer. This is a flawed and broken process. And we need to fix it. The proposal also provides additional funding for the twenty twenty when he senses count and a pay raise for the military. The government is already operating off a short term funding measure signed into law in September lawmakers have failed to reach a permanent spending the the twenty thousand fiscal year which began October one cloudy sunless. NPR News the Capitol. The nation's homebuilders were busier last month. The Commerce Department reporting housing starts jumped the three point eight percent mixed close on Wall Street. The Dow was down one hundred and two points. The Nasdaq rose twenty points today this is NPR. The biggest home improvement chain home. Depot is warning. It's expecting to see lower sales this year. This is the second time the company's lowered its forecast for twenty eighteen nineteen. NPR's Alenia sell reports. The reasons I've left to do with the strength of the economy and more with Home Depot's project to better connect it's physical stores with its website overall for all it's been a lucrative year for Home Depot but the company is warning that it's big investments in the website and store technology are taking longer to come to fruition since twenty seventeen in home depot has been trying to improve its online shopping process. Adding faster delivery upgrading self. Checkout counters and adding automated lockers that. Let's shoppers pick-up online orders. While also getting advice from the store staff Home Depot now says it hopes to see more benefits of all this investment in twenty twenty rather than this year previously previously. The company had lowered its sales forecast citing higher prices of lumber and concerns about tariffs on Chinese imports Alina Seljuk. NPR News and this year's winner of the worst toy awards well among the items topping the list. A rapid fire NERF gun ice cream Senate nickelodeon slime and Plastic Power Rangers Chris Klaus Annual List compiled by the group world against toys causing harm. Group says making this year's list realistic toy machine gun and apoe long caterpillar toy for for infants as well massachusetts-based nonprofits as many of the products pose a choking threat or could potentially cause damage granola futures. Prices lost ground today. Oil Oil down a dollar and eighty four cents a barrel to end the session at fifty five twenty one a barrel in New York. I'm Jack Speer N._P._R.. News in Washington.

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Ep. 866 - The Ukraine Problem

The Ben Shapiro Show

56:02 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 866 - The Ukraine Problem

"President trump defends himself from allegations. He pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden Democrats ramp up their attacks. A quarrel over impeachment and Elizabeth Warren Surges in Iowa straight from our brand new Ben Shapiro show studios. This is the Ben Shapiro show that's right folks. We are not broadcasting from the hellish box doom known as our prior studios. I mean that place was it was ghoulish. It was it was a terrible place. I mean there are flies everywhere. You may have noticed during the show when I was randomly batting at the flies. That was the thing those actually happening. It wasn't just me going crazy. It smelled awful. You can never get the temperature control exactly right well now. Look at this magnificent and so I can just feel the energy seeping into my we're GONNA get to actual material in just one second. I just have to celebrate that for just one moment but first there's a lot of talk talk of war with Ron. 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Remember we still don't know what's in this whistle blower report so to recapitulate for folks who may not have been following this story with all of its requisite gravity so here is is the story. The story is that there was a whistle blower inside the intelligence community informed the Inspector General of the intelligence community that there is some sort of urgent violation that had taken place. If this violation had been deemed urgent it would have had to be reported to Congress so the whistle the inspector general says you're right. It is urgent and then declares there's that this is going to go to Congress at this point the director of National Intelligence the Acting Director of national intelligence steps in and he said well hold on just a second this isn't urgent under the applicable law because under the law typical typically for whistleblower complaint to be deemed urgent it has to deal with actual intelligence. It can't just be that the intelligence community heard about something criminal final. That's bad that's going on that doesn't actually have to do with the intelligence community and then reported it to me Inspector General and then reported it to Congress instead it has to deal with the actual intelligence community community well supposedly this report didn't have to do with the Intel community at all it has to do with President trump on the phone with Ukraine so Democrats immediately shifted. This is a cover up. Obviously the trump is trying to hide something and then we get a kind of slow leak about the information that was in this whistle blower reports what was in the whistle blower report well the whistle missile blow report although we know so far is the president trump had conversations with the president of Ukraine supposedly in those conversations the president of the United States repeatedly suggested said that the Ukrainian government investigates Joe Biden why well because Joe Biden and Hunter Biden father and son relationship they have a nexus with Ukraine hundred was made read the was made the CEO or board member of some organization in Ukraine Kapisa in Ukraine at the same time that Joe Biden was pressuring the the Ukraine to fire a to fire a prosecutor who is overseeing the Hunter Biden gave so the scandal which started to break. Maybe earlier this year last sure that scandal was supposedly the Joe Biden had personally attempted to hold up one billion dollars in loan guarantees to Ukraine until Ukraine fired a prosecutor that prosecutors overseeing hunter Biden's possible investigation at the time so now president trump comes along and he's apparently telling me Ukrainian president united be great so landscape. It'd be great if you just investigate the job because I mean. Did anyone really invest now. Look the trump. Campaign has four months but in tempting to push the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden. This is not a secret Juliana. Juliani has been going over there for a year trying to investigate himself trying to cooperate with government sources in Ukraine to find out whether in fact hundred Biden was under investigation by this prosecutor and whether Joe Biden exerted his authority in order to hold back American taxpayer dollars to get the prosecutor ousted to protect his son hunter and they're all sorts of serious questions to be asked about Joe Biden's Haydn's relationship with Hunter Biden because it turns out Hunter Biden his lead rather dissolute life and Hunter Biden has taken serious advantage of the fact that his dad happens to be Joe Biden. It's gotten a series of Kush positions which has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars basically because daddy was a senator and then a vice president so we're GONNA get into those allegations in just a second well president trump over the weekend came out and he said Yeah you know I did talk with Ukrainians about Joe Biden but that is not a big deal. According to the New York sometimes president trump acknowledged on Sunday. He raised corruption accusations against former Vice President Joseph R Biden junior during a phone call with Ukraine's leader a stunning admission according to the New York Times as pressure mounted on Democrats to impeach trump over allegations he leans on a foreign governments to help damage a political rival in public and private. Many Democrats said the evidence that has emerged in recent in days indicating that Mr trump pushed the Ukrainian government to investigate Mr Biden and his administration stonewalling of attempts by Congress to learn more or changing their calculations about whether to charge artem with articles of impeachment the influential Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee who has resisted such action said the house might now have crossed the Rubicon in light of the new disclosures so that that'd be Adam Schiff who came out and said the Rubicon may have been crossed. We may now have to look at impeaching president trump over all of this here is Adam Schiff saying as much you know I have been very reluctant to go down the path of impeachment but if the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign foreign leader into doing something illicit that is providing dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign then he may forced to go down this road. I have spoken with a number of my colleagues over the last week and this seems different in kind and we may very well have crossed the Rubicon here okay well. The Rubicon that he has noting is something that has not been Sonja so as I explained last Friday when this whole thing came up and less Thursday if president trump engaged in an actual quid pro quo if he did what he's accusing Joe Biden of doing if he said the Ukrainians two hundred fifty million dollars military aid is not forthcoming unless you investigate Joe Biden that is using American taxpayer dollars for campaign quid pro quo that is obviously asli a violation of law it is violent. Bribery statute and president trump should be impeached really a quid pro quo with a foreign government to investigate your political rival is in fact a violation of law and impeachable if however this is just donald trump getting on the phone and say the cringe you know be great if he really investigate Joe Biden in that'd be great. Is that impeachable well that is not what Adam Schiff is saying right there right and Schiff is saying no not so much right Adam Schiff himself as saying the quid pro quo has to be either well why because president trump has a rather bad habit of mouthing off as you may have noticed because he is a man named Donald Trump who's very donald trump like things as it turns out well. Jim Geraghty has a piece over at national review in which he talks about this and he's he says Donald Trump believes the just about everyone he doesn't like must be corrupt or engaged in law breaking of some manner and should be investigated investigated earlier this week he tweeted out look at the Obama book deal or the Ridiculous Net flicks deal then look at all the deals made by the Dent in Congress the Congressional Slush Fund and Lastly Ashley The I g reports look at them. Those investigations would be over fast so like Obama's book deal investigated they wanted his net flicks. Deal investigated trump indicated that law enforcement should investigate the Clintons over Jeffrey Epstein. He called for investigation of corrupt government in Baltimore. He suggested that illogic coming should investigate himself Elf he called on law enforcement subpoena all records having to do with the Clinton Foundation this is all since July represent from his constantly asking people for investigations mainly mainly because he's been subjected to a lot of investigations and so he's like well turnabout is fair play he's twice called on the FCC and the FCC to investigate whether the whether Saturday et live is colluding with the Democratic Party so Jim Guarantees Point over National Review says you notice that few of these calls investigation lead to any investigations right. It's reasonable to worry about the politicization of enforcement at a moment like this but so far there's not much evidence for it. He said what's more trump speaks constantly as if he's convinced that some sort of colossal awesome ruinous scandal is lurking behind each one of his foes and all of them could be ruined federal investigators could look just hard enough so shouldn't be the least bit surprising that trump and allies like Rudy Giuliani believe leave that hunter Biden's worked for a giant gas company in Ukraine must be not merely unsavory or created the appearance of a conflict of interest but somewhere along the line the Biden's must have broken the law should the president of the United States repeatedly called for law enforcement investigations of his political enemies based upon rumors meteoroid zone theories no of course not but Donald Trump does a a lot of those kinds of things. Does this enter a different area. If the president is promising extra foreign officials in exchange for investigation depends on the specific says Jimgeraghty. He says that Insert trumpf oh here is a real crook. Everybody knows that everybody's saying so if you guys caught him and nailed them to the Y. I'd be thrilled is probably just from being from it. Honestly if you you had to ballpark what trump said in this conversation. Do you think it was more along the lines of INA. We got this two and fifty million dollars in aid and maybe it's worth coming and maybe it's not at Anna but if you just investigate Joe Biden it's forthcoming. Do you think it's that or do you think that it's do you think the conversation something like this. Zelinski is the head of Ukraine cringe Mr President great to speak to you and trump going he now hit JEB. Adan is the worst uninvestigated being like Mo we're not doing that and from like but it'd be great if he did as well Mo- and forming a okay has everything else going with which sounds more like trump trump and and a lot of the test of whether you see president trump as a serious thinker like a person who thinks through the things he says or a guy who just says stuff is very difficult to square this sort of four d chest president trump that so many people have in their heads on the right and the forty just trump that so many people in what's having their heads they simultaneously will claim that he's an idiot and mastermind remind with who trump is in reality which is a guy who says lots of stuff as I've said before President Trump's tombstone one day will eventually read Donald Trump forty fifth the president of the United States. He said a lot of crap right that is what president trump does frankly I think the president trump would would say the same thing like Emmanuel macron. I think he'd get on the phone with the Prime Minister for a friends and microbial president. How are you and he's an traffic? Can you investigate Joe Biden and mccrone be like I don't know what you're talking about and from a at a native French is right we're not to Granton and but but yes hadn't seemed to me like the chances that Donald Trump was seriously asli offering a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians and they'll take forethought color me a little bit skeptical of that nonetheless. This is driving the narrative today. Nancy Pelosi has issued a letter to her colleagues in the house. Basically suggesting that impeachment may be on the table in the near future sure dear colleague on Thursday Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire will appear before the House Intelligence Committee in an open hearing at that time we expect him to obey the law in turn over the whistle blowers complaints to the committee we also expected he will establish a path for the whistle blower to speak directly to the House and Senate intelligence committees as required by law the intelligence community inspector general who was appointed by President Trump has determined that the complaint is both of urgent concern incredible and it's disclosure relates to one of the most significance and importance of the director of national intelligence his responsibilities bounce abilities to the American people the administration's blocking of acting Dean Maguire from providing Congress with the whistleblower complaint calls upon him to violate the federal statute which unequivocally quickly states that the DNA shall provide congress information well it also has conditions under which the information is to be provided including that it has to deal with the intelligence community not with the president the administration is endangering our national security and having a chilling effect on any future whistle whistle blower who sees wrongdoing. We must be sure that the president and his administration are always conducting conducting our national security and foreign policy in the best interest of the American people not the president's personal or political interest. Well okay that sure it'd be great of Congress did that you know what else would be great. If Barack Obama had not pledged flexibility to the Russians in the run up to the two thousand twelve election it would've been great Ted Kennedy back in the nineteen eighties had not been working with the Russian government undermined undermine Ronald Reagan it would have been fantastic if Hillary Clinton had not been working with yes the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on President Trump. They pretend that that the area of foreign policy is where all of the all the honor of the American people still resides yacht not so much not so much. I'm old enough to remember Nancy. Pelosi was traveling to the Middle East two hundred tinder cut George W Bush's foreign policy so anyway she says I'm calling on Republicans to join us in insisting that the acting deny obey the law as we seek the truth to protect the American people and enter constitution. This violation is about national security. If the administration persists blocking this whistleblower from disclosing Congress a serious possible breach of constitutional duties ladies by the president they'll be entering a gravy chapter of lawlessness which will take us into a home stage investigation. Thank you for your Patriotism Best Regards Nancy so a couple of things one. 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Adding to the Ukrainian President Ukrainian president then came out and said No. I didn't initiate an investigation so this sounds a lot like the second half of the Mullahs report honestly so the second half of the Miller report was donald trump saying to everyone in earshot this is Monica has nine can we can we get rid of him and have wriggling nope and from going all right and they sort of moving on with his life for the next month and then comes back and say you know noise me Robert Mueller and thereby going well Lee Malone Mr President and they just started moves on for another thermo. This sounds exactly like daddy says till's Alinsky. Can you come investigate. Joe Biden is like more Mr President not doing it in terms of heck and he just sort of move on th there's another problem is that the whistle blower here we thought I mean if you'd read those reports on Thursday and Friday it sounds like the whistle blower was listening in on the phone call with Donald Trump and Zelinski the president of Ukraine as it turns out not so much according to CNN the whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications didn't have direct knowledge communications instead the whistle blowers concerns came in part from learning information that was obtained during the course of their work okay well then how is he making an intelligence whistleblower claim he didn't gain the intelligence through the intelligence process nor does it have to do with intelligence sources and methods those details of apparently played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law the officials had it's hard to know the potential exposure faced by the president so we still like that's kind of amazing right now. That would have been a detail that we should have known because originally on Wednesday when the Washington Post broke this report they referenced a promise trump allegedly made to Ukraine but nowhere beyond that we actually heard what the promise was instead referred a lot of trump solicit solicitation right in the same way that trump publicly solicited Vladimir Putin to put Hillary Clinton's emails out there man. I was not really like a secret. He went out on the campaign traffic that if you got the emails break him do it love it. Live of it is anything new now is bad of course it's bad. The president of the United States should be calling on foreign leaders to investigate his political opponents yes yes that's a bad thing also as I mentioned among the other bad things that presidents have done but that are not impeachable Barack Obama caught on tape pledging the Russians flexibility taxability in the in the lead up to the two thousand twelve election Hillary Clinton working openly with the DNC and members of the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on President and trump is a what's bad stuff happens here and all of it is worthy of condemnation. The question here is whether something criminal happened that is worthy of impeachment okay so president trump has now responded into all of this. He said we'll consider releasing. Some details of the phone calls said the conversation by the way was absolutely perfect. This is clip one as far as my conversation she was perfect. It was perfect conversation. It was couldn't have been any better but will make a determination about how to release it. Releasing it saying what we said was an absolutely perfect conversation. Perfect ten conversation like in one thousand nine hundred miles a beautiful perfect unbelievable conversation. It wasn't just a good conversation guys. It was the best conversation the greatest of all conversations I mean like socrates verses. Mrs Socrates versus his various interlocutors not even close Donald Trump with Zealand the perfect conversation the greatest and then president trump says the avenue. Hey baton okay. This is where you start going. Okay Mr President. Let's let's not go through thick on the on the peanut butter here president trump vice president biden did a terrible the thing the way he put it. I'm not looking to hold him to anything. I'm not looking to hurt him with respect to his son. Joe's got a lot of problems. There's got enough problems without that but what he said was a terrible thing. It was no pressure that was not pressure. I I know what I give pressure and that was he's not pressure. Okay so president trump then went on rampage on twitter explaining all of that said never fake news media's at pressured Ukrainian president at least eight times Jay telephone call at him Ameri this straight voice second trump voice for the next eight paragraphs. I mean there's a five paragraph. Essay is this supposedly comes from a so-called whistle blower who they they say doesn't even have a firsthand account of what was that more Democrat crooked media con Breaking News. The Ukrainian government just said they weren't pressured at all during the nice call sleepy Joe Biden on the other hand forced just a tough prosecutor out from investigating sons company by threat of not giving big dollars Ukraine. That's the real story now. The Democrats and the fake news media have gone bust on every other of their witch-hunts schemes. They're trying to start one just as ridiculous as the others called the Ukraine witch-hunts while at the same time trying to protect sleepy Joe Biden will fail again the fake news media and their partner the Democratic Party. I mean I told you this thing's a book the fake news media and their partner the Democratic Party wants to stay as far away as possible from the Joe Biden demand that the Ukrainian government fire prosecutor was was investigating his son or they won't get a very large amount of money so they fabricated story about me and a perfectly fine and routine conversation I had with the new president of Ukraine. Nothing was said that was in any way wrong wrong but Biden's demand on the other hand was a complete disaster. The fake news knows this but don't WanNA report the radical left Democrats and their fake news media partners headed up by Little Adam Schiff and batting zero for twenty one against me are added again. They think I may have had a dicey conversation with a certain foreign leader based on a highly partisan whistle blower statement strange that with so many other people hearing or knowing of the perfectly fine and respectful conversation that they would not have also come forward. Do you know the reason why they did not because there was nothing wrong. It was pitch perfect another fake news story out there had never ever ends virtually any time I speak on the phone to a foreign leader. I understand that there may be people listening from various. US agencies not to mention those from the other country itself no problem knowing all of this. Is anyone anyone dumb enough to believe. I would say something inappropriate with a floor leader while on such potentially heavily populated call I would only do what is right anyway and only two good for the US and then later he made more remarks about all of this. He said the problem is when you're speaking to foreign leaders you don't want foreign leaders to feel they shouldn't be speaking openly and good you have to you have to be talking to people and the same thing for the American president you want them to be able to express themselves without knowing that not every single word is going to be out going all over the world now then this is fair. Okay this particular critique that trump is making his absolutely fair and the president of the the United States has a lot of conversations that are not meant for public scrutiny a lot of conversation with foreign leaders in which highly classified stuff is said you do want him to be able to have open conversations sations without whistleblowers going and seeing political problem and then reporting that two legislative branch because the president is indeed the commander energy so all of that happens to be true and having whistleblowers who are making complaints that have nothing to do with the intelligence community. which is the actual maybe problem here is a serious problem from but to go to the core of it? President trump is basically saying I did nothing wrong. There was no quid pro quo Rudy Giuliani said the same thing Giuliani went on twitter. He said whistleblower still he's in a he's whistleblower story like Cavanaugh story is blowing up no no mention of money or quid pro quo so appropriate conduct no muss look at Biden family pattern corruption of selling his public offices for five decades Parreno corruption enabled by swamp so the Republican trump administration position is trump didn't do anything wrong the person they did something wrong. Here is Joe Biden and Joe Biden is just sitting there like what did I do man. Why am I even part of this story and the answer is you're part of the story because your relations ends with your son? Hunter are a problem for your campaign a real problem according to the Washington Post this morning a whistle blower complain about President President Trump made by an intelligence officials centers on Ukraine according to people familiar with the matter which has set off a struggle between Congress and the executive branch garrity says if the discussion is about Ukraine it probably revolves around the trump campaign's interest in what Hunter Biden did for Ukrainian companies in the tail end of the Obama Administration and Gary says when the Obama campaign was vetting Joe Abidin to be vice president in the summer of two thousand eight one of the most sensitive issues they examined was the relationship between the senator and his family connection to a large Delaware Bank called. MBNA the bank was the largest donor to Biden's campaigns over his career hunter hired Hunter Biden in Nineteen ninety-six made hundred vice president by Nineteen Ninety eight when he was twenty eight years old hundred departs do do a short stints in the Department of Commerce they kept one hundred thousand dollars a year retainer from the bank after returning to the private sector as a lawyer in Washington working for lobbying firm the Biden's insist that hunters lobbying being worked never cross paths with his father's work in the Senate a during this time Joe voted in favor of bankruptcy reform bill that MBNA and other bank supported and that many Democrats including including then Senator Barack Obama opposed Elizabeth Warren we'll probably at some point jump in here when you are the son of a famous senator or VP doors keep opening for you by two thousand fourteen hundred Biden widen a bank vice president lawyer partnered mergers and acquisitions for attempted to purchase a hedge fund founded two consulting firms and shortly after his father started his second term as VP joined the US naval able reserve that ended badly he was discharged after about a year for failing a drug test. 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Okay so back to one hundred Biden so this whole subject of investigation that trump wants and of controversy that started all this stuff is hunter interrelation hundred Biden's relationship with Joe Hunter's very checkered life in a very chequered career and he relied heavily on his dad's help returning to the investment world rates Jimgeraghty Biden's business partners included Jonathan Lee who ran Chinese private equity firm bo-hi capital in April twenty fourteen at age forty four hundred joined the board of directors for Barista Holdings the largest non-governmental over mental run at Natural Gas Company and Ukraine not everyone in the Obama administration was comfortable with hunters new business partners according to The New Yorker quote hundreds meeting with Lee and his relationship with hr attracted little attention at the time but some of Biden's advisors worried that hunter by meeting with business associate during his father's visit would expose the VP to criticism the former senior White House aide said that hunters behavior invited questions about whether he was leveraging access for his benefit was just wasn't done in that White House optics really mattered and that seemed to be cutting it pretty close even if nothing various was going on apparently several members of Biden staff said that they had been too intimidated to talk to Joe Biden about all of this everyone who worked for him has been screened at a former homeadvisor told me others said they were wary of hurting his feelings. One business associate told me that Biden during difficult conversations about his family got deeply melancholy which to me is more painful than if someone dominiol screamed at me. It's like you've heard him terribly. That was always my fear that I'd be really touching very fragile part of him. At the very least hunters business dealings created created the appearance of a conflict of interest and that was true also with regard to Ukraine. There's a perception that hunter was on the loose potentially undermining his father's message when he took a role charisma in two thousand eighteen appearance before the council on Foreign Relations Biden described the time he threatened to withhold foreign aid from the Ukrainian government unless they fired a prosecutor in Victor Shokhin. The argument from the Obama administration is that Shokhin was resisting reform efforts but one of the problems is that he was preparing corruption probe into breeze holdings which was Hunter Biden hadn't Hunter Biden's company right then that Hunter Biden was on the board of directors so all of this could come back just in time to truly bite Joe Joe Biden directly on the butt and that could be a real problem. Meanwhile Democrats are of course ramping up impeachment talk. They're getting very frustrated. Many of the more shall we say enthusiastic members of the Democratic Party have been pushing for impeachment for awhile and now they're really ramping up their Game Adam Schiff already saying well. If there's a quid pro quo maybe we'll talk impeachment. What very unlikely the uncut quid pro quo you see Nancy? Pelosi suggests that we're entering a grave new era of lawlessness which again is not calling for impeachment but is drawing closer closer to it. You've got Elizabeth Warren who's the odds on favourite to become the next Democratic nominee at this point. We'll get to polling in a second here. She is yesterday calling for impeachment of President. Trump over these allegations failed to act and now Donald Trump has shown that he whiz he believes he is above the law. He has solicited another foreign government to attack our election system. It is time for us to call out this illegal behavior and start impeachment proceedings right now now of course the impeachment goes nowhere because you'd actually have to have proof of a crime in order to get a majority while you need sixty votes in the in the Senate in order to actually oust the president from office so likely impeachment vote succeeds in the House but does not succeed in the Senate of the United States but Democrats are starting to warm up to all of this as we get closer to twenty twenty. They're making the calculation. There won't be blow back if the story is bad enough and unlike the trump trump Russia allegations where there was some smoke but no fire in the end is it turned out here they can say that the conversation itself is really the problem that there's something very bad and there is something bad about not going to a foreign government and asking them to investigate your political opponent. Now as I've said in the past there are lots of various candidates particularly Democrats who have gone to four foreign sources for information on their opponents have made offers to try and undercut Republican presidents now that's nothing new but this the question for Democrats that's his politically whether this appears to be serious enough that they finally have the momentum to go after president trump on impeachment on all of this AOC and she tweeted out that the like ripping into fellow Democrats the question is how long Nancy Pelosi can withstand the internal pressure. 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We are the largest fastest growing conservative podcast and radio show in the nation okay so the Democrats are trying to broaden out the quid pro quo allegation into a trump did something impeachable allegation and obviously impeachment is not an actual legal standard rate high crimes and misdemeanors not illegal standard meaning that let's say you impeach the president for sneezing you can do that and that's not challengeable Supreme Court so Democrats can impeach trump for whatever they want but if they actually hope to have a shot of ousting him from office leaving vice is president pence as the president of the United States presumably the only way to do that would be to actually uncover a crime Democrats have not yet done that we're not Mariotti Legal Affairs columnist for Politico magazine former Federal Royal Prosecutor and he has a piece in politico titled Trump didn't bribe Ukraine. It's actually worse than that and here is where things start to get dicey for the Democrats if they are just saying that trump behaved badly then you have to start putting that into the context of what other presidents don't behave badly but was not impeachable and this is where it gets dicey so he says reports that trump pressure Ukrainian president was Alinsky to investigate the son of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has prompted a flurry of speculation that trump by withholding military aid has committed bribery or extortion this is wrong and even counterproductive to efforts to hold trump accountable. If trump is accused of doing his true it is a kind of corrupt conduct. The criminal system is not equipped to handle labeling his behavior with criminal terms such as bribery and extortion not only misunderstands the statutory language it gets trump and his supporters ammunition with which to defend defend themselves making impeachment harder to achieve. He says the impulse label this has potential crime is flawed legally and even strategically even if true this is not a case that would end up in a criminal proceeding even if trump were no longer in office so he says you know presidents push foreign governments to take official act all the time the constitution contemplates the president will interact with foreign born leaders and use his or her power to persuade them to do things that helped the United States. What is it about the alleged conduct? Here is not that trump is pushing for government to do something but rather that he might have used his presidential central power to get a foreign government to help him win the next election. This is self serving and corrupt but it's difficult to think of this alleged activity extortion. He says it's hard to construe the alleged alleged. Conduct is a threat against Ukraine in the manner contemplated by the extortion statute. This is not say there aren't crimes on the books that better match what trump is alleged to have done so. Maybe it's a campaign finance ends crime but he says what trump is alleged to have done is not a garden variety crime. It's worse this again is a columnist named Rhonda Mariotti. WHO's the legal correspondent for politico? Oh he says what trump is alleged not garden variety crime. It's worse it involves misusing two hundred fifty million dollars in aid appropriated by Congress for his benefit okay now you are accusing him of doing something if you don't have a record of in doing and he says that this is not a criminal justice system issue that it really is just a trump behaving badly issue. He says labeling trump's alleged cons bribery extortion cheapens what is alleged to have occurred and it does not capture what makes it wrongful. It's not a crime he invited a foreign nation to influence the twenty twenty presidential elections actions on the heels of nearly three or investigation. Here's where it gets Dicey for Democrats. If what you are suggesting Maryadi is that inviting foreign governments to affect the American election is something deeply deeply deeply wrong and I generally agree it then you do get into the Barack Obama saying to the Russians in the run-up to twenty twelve that he would have greater flexibility up to the election if they would back off a little bit that is obviously requesting official action from the Russians that would benefit Barack Obama laterally and as vague rule sort of stuff does happen all the time a re leaders Democrat and Republican look for foreign policy wins that didn't get from their friends in the lead up to an election. That's fairly regular. What's different here is that he specifically asking for an investigation into a political rival but the investigation never took place and apparently wasn't even taken seriously by the Ukrainian president so takings at Philippe Reines who is a long held to be sort of a a hard nosed cutting biting brutal kind of hard nosed those political agent for Hillary Clinton was Hillary Clinton's hatchet man for a long time he was on Fox News? He said well your heads would explode of Hillary. Did anything like this. There is no reason for Joe uh-huh Biden's name to come up in that conversation once twice eight times whether it's promising threatening quid pro quo demanding whatever it is that is is crossing the line and yes there is a problem with that and let's say for Moment Hillary Clinton had won and Donald Trump was challenging her again next year and we were talking about Hillard Lert Creek Clinton talking to a foreign leader to help her find dirt on one of the trump kids. Your head would be exploded. There's only one problem which is that she literally did that in two thousand sixteen gene so she wasn't the president at the time she literally and the DNC literally coordinated with Ukrainian embassy to try and dig up dirt on Donald Trump. It political reported that in two thousand seventeen gene we talked about it at extensive length last week's. If you missed last week's podcast Hillary Clinton do that and it wasn't criminal it was bad wasn't criminal in the same way Donald Donald Trump requesting the Vladimir Putin release Hillary Clinton's emails was bad but non-criminal watts of stuff's been happening folks. That's bad but not criminal jake tapper did sort of the same thing and Jason reporter but he went after Steve Mnuchin. He said what if Democrats tried this sort of stuff. If for instance President Obama had pressured a foreign leader Putin or the president of Ukraine and anyone said I want you to look into Donald trump junior or I want you to look into Eric trump international businessman both of them. Would you not find that inappropriate Korea again. I'm not going to speculate on what I do. Find is inappropriate is the fact that Vice President Biden at the time son did very significant business business dealings in Ukraine for one five that to be concerning into me. That's the issue. Perhaps that should be further. Investing the trump campaign is going to keep pressing in on one hundred Biden thing now. They are pursuing a strategy that you've seen Scott Adams. WHO's the Dilbert Creator and sort of the trump whisper? He suggested the trump often does this in meshes himself in scandals where the headline that ends up being elevated from the scandal is actually deleterious Democrats so the trump Russia stuff ended up elevating Hillary's female scandal for example so he would say that this whole conversation ends up really hurting Joe Biden most and I think that there is a lot of truth to that but to go back to the point that if Obama asked a foreign leader to investigate investigate Donald trump junior the allegation by Andy McCarthy and others in the Republican camp is that the Obama administration literally coordinated to try and raise dirt about Donald Trump and Russia in the middle of the two thousand sixteen election the entire trump Russia election conspiracy theory was being pumped by Hillary Clinton funneled through Hillary Clinton's campaign in and fusion. GPS to the FBI who then under the auspices of people like Loretta Lynch investigated the thing that is the allegation from the right so we don't have to speculate about the rights reaction it would be bad and less reaction similarly bad and as any of the criminal not really but it does underscore how dirty things have gotten generally speaking now who who is the big beneficiary from all of this. It isn't really Donald Trump right. Donald Trump is going. There's going to be impeachment to can Ukraine talk. It's certainly not Joe Biden who is now going to be dragged into the center of this kicking and screaming. I mean the man already doesn't know where he is people. He's already. What why are you taking me away from the early bird dinner at Denny's what we're are we now are we in Ukraine? The person who's going to benefit from all of this is Elizabeth Warren who does have the momentum right now. There's a pull out from the joint register. CNN media calm and it shows that Warren has pulled into a slight lead in Iowa according to that poll she now holds a two percentage point lead with twenty two percents of likely democratic caucus goers saying she was their first choice for president. This is her first lead lead former VP Biden who led each of the registers three previous twenty twenty psycho polls follows her at twenty percent Bernie Sanders has fallen to third place of eleven percents. She's throwing a lot support from Bernie. This is why I've been saying for a while that is going to get fun at some point. Bernie Sanders must open up his socialist guns on Elizabeth Warren point out that she is wildly wildly disingenuous the president of Seltzer and company which conducted the poll said this is a major first major shake-up. It's the first time we've had someone other than Joe Biden. At the top of the leaderboard peabody the judge follows the three leaders as the favourite of nine percent of poll respondents. He's really running for vice president. At this point. The race is far from settled. Just one in five likely democratic caucus goers their minds are made up sixty three percents that can still be persuaded to support a different candidate but there's no question that the momentum right now is with Elizabeth Warren if you look at the other state polls does Joe Biden Nationally has a pretty wide lead. He saw a ten point lead nationalist about thirty percents according to the real politics pull average Elizabeth Warren is about twenty percent but if you look at Iowa worn has pulled into about a three point lead in the realclearpolitics poll average and the latest polls from New Hampshire are still not particularly recent the latest polls from New Hampshire were taken November. September sixth to September eleventh about two weeks ago before a lot of the search and in that latest latest poll Biden was up on Sanders just one and Warren just six so there is a good shot that by this point the next pope will show that worn is indeed up in New Hampshire as as well. We'll be my prediction. He's only up slightly in Nevada to South Carolina where where Joe Biden really has his has has his advantage but if you look at the elections calendar it may be too late for him by then because they remember the Democrats in the aftermath of all the hubbub about about Bernie Sanders being jobs during the Presidential Kim Number Twenty sixteen. They loaded all their caucuses. You've got the Iowa caucus happening. February third twenty twenty the New Hampshire the New Hampshire primary happening on February eleventh twenty twenty. You have the Nevada presidential caucuses on Saturday Saturday February twenty-second and then you have South Carolina happening at the twenty ninth so maybe maybe if Joe Biden is lucky. If you're if you're forecasting this and again we're months away to walk it happen you could have you could have Elizabeth Warren Iowa New Hampshire you could have biden come back and win Nevada and South Carolina and then you get Super Tuesday and Super Tuesday. I don't know that Biden has enough momentum to run away with things he probably wins the southern states. You probably wouldn't Alabama. He Wins Arkansas. Elizabeth Warren Probably Winds California. She probably wins Colorado. You'd probably wins mange. She certainly wins Massachusetts. You probably wins Minnesota. She probably wins Oklahoma so it's going to be it's going to be neck and neck. I mean Biden is really suffering and the fact is that as the story about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden takes the front pages over that is going to be very bad because Warren's entire stick of course is that this was the swamp swamp like now it'd be a great time for Lisbeth worn to start attacking Joe Biden about that. MBNA bank deal that Hunter Biden was part of again. She's been anti the banking industry industry. She's got the enthusiasm. The Media Love Her love her so Joe Biden annals worn by the way who are also simultaneously campaigning over the weekend in the same place said they decided to go join the picket line alongside striking General Motors worker in Detroit Joe Biden went went to a GM assembly plant in Kansas City Kansas because there's nothing that the American people like better than strikes the Democratic presidential candidates according to The New York Times have been chasing Labor support port all summer now as the U. A. W. One of the nation's largest union stages of strike that has drawn words of support from President Trump Democrats are seizing the moment to align themselves with workers in public in Dramatic Quays Senator Elizabeth Warren Walking the picket line Joe Biden doing it as well Bernie Sanders is planning to join striking workers in Detroit on Wednesday so they're all campaigning competing for the same workers and they're making the case I mean Elizabeth Warren is stopping by to make the case that she is going to make a play for the white working class vote which is really an area where she is lagging and she's got basically all of the college educated Democratic voters won't vote for Elizabeth Warren a lot of the white blue collar workers want to vote for Joe Biden a lot of the black folks in the United States black voters want one vote owed for Joe Biden. She's trying to carve into that right now and she may be successful in doing that and I think that if from goal with this with this Ukraine stuff was to to tear down Joe Biden right now which makes sense because he runs said you're against Elizabeth Warren Than Job Than Joe Biden he may achieve his goal whether or not the Democrats wanted can meanwhile Washington to DC. Maybe shut down by climate rebels. ooh that are gonNA bring the city to a standstill now once again. Do they have any actual program of course not of course not their goal is just a suggest that if you don't that if you criticize them you don't care about climate change which is supremely irritating. I mean there are these climate change activists these youth a youth climate strikers like what are they striking going to school. Guess what you weren't being paid to go to school you striking from your own. Education is a problem for you but is not particularly smart art but again. We're going to pretend that this is all just an active true bravery that changes the world the audio together anyway. They're out striking from again yeah. You can't really strike from school because you're not paid to go to school. The schools don't lose based on you not being there and in fact many of the schools incentivized kids to come to this sort of thing where they just spouted their emotions and we're supposed to take seriously emotions if they come from seventeen year olds to hear some of the climate change activists admitting that they have a paralyzing fear of the future which makes sense considering. They're the freest most prosperous young people in the history history of humanity to speak for the trees. I took knowledge and my background. I'm here for the people who are suffering and dying because of our country's decision are sacrificed and I do not exist eighteen to twenty two. We do not have time to be a light. This is a revolution holy okay so first of Aw if my child acts like that to get a timeout my five year old acts like this you get to timeout screaming into a microphone you don't even I don't don't even know you want. I don't even know what you want. What do you want okay? You want the earth to not be as warm. What would you like us who do about this? This is my big problem and Barack Obama of course incentivizes all this sort of nonsense because this is the kind of president he was as well he tweeted out one challenge will define the future for today's young generation more dramatically than any other climate change the millions of young people worldwide worldwide who've organized and join today's climate strike demand action to protect our planet and they deserve what are they deserve demanding action like what does that mean. My daughter demands action for me every morning and I don't know what she wants. If she just comes in and says I demand actions they what do you want from me which went to get dressed to new. Get you some food like what what are we talking about here and I'm sorry but that is not political activism that just you screaming at things. Do you think is when you take politically active stance normal. You have to have a a program attached to it when I speak the march for life. I'm pretty sure I know what the March for life folks want. Though a more legislation to stop abortion they would like to de-fund planned paranoid. There was specific program program. You GotTa have a specific program folks. If you want people to take you seriously but of course none of these people have a specific program. The whole goal here is to morally castigate people who point this out so you have bill Nye the supposed science guy saying well. You know it's time for a change in listen do just because you like did cool science experiments wins with Baking Soda Back when I was eleven does not mean that you are proposing anything doable and that bow ties is getting old so are you greg's everyone bill title nine here. Thank you students for getting out there and calling attention to climate change in the big changes that we need to make to address it. Now we built this remarkable marketable society with this remarkable infrastructure because of our use of fossil fuels the fossil fuel industry. I say thank you for your service but it is time to make big changes in the students are reminding us of that today. We can do this. Everybody we can change the world okay. What is do you this and change the world we can? We can do yeah yeah my favorite parties were we listened tire beautiful wonderful society where I guess where bow ties on TV for money. We've built that on fossil fuel so thanks for that also we're going to just totally destroy and I have no program well done everyone. You've really you've changed the world today by saying nothing and just making people angrier for apparent reason when there should be at least attempt it seems to me to come up with some sort of workable solution. It is such a point of irritated when people do sort of screaming at the moon doesn't get things done. It just does not okay time for some things that I like and then some things that I hate so things that I like Karl. Marley is a terrific novelist. He wrote a book called Matterhorn about the Vietnam War about what it was like to fight in the Vietnam War a few years back in it is one of the finest books on the Vietnam War of a retina really is terrific has a great new book called Deep River that hasn't gotten the sort of attention than it should have received. We've about a a a Finnish fan of family that moves over to the to the Oregon area and gets involved in logging. It's sort of reminiscent of key sometimes a great notion. It's it's really a well written book. I really love Marlins his writing. I think that he is a terrific evocative writer. He doesn't try to hide the ball in his writing his choices beautiful. If you're into good novels than deep river is one that I would recommend even though I disagree some of the politics and it is well worth read go check it out deep river by Carl Marlins scale things that I like I like that the comedic community is beginning to come around to the fact that canceled culture is going to clock them directly in the face Sarah Silverman who is as as woke as it is possible to be while still being a very very white slash Jewish person. She says that the host Lewis shows that shows like the emmys emmys a really terrible because cancelled cultures dumb. They cut US something good news. There isn't even a host any more in these shows. They don't want Comedians to talk with you offer to step even know nobody wants to do it. Either I mean it's thankless absolutely correct and then Stephen Colbert Jimmy Kimmel get up on stage I mean I can't believe this is like the pope in the anti-pope of leftism. I guess there's like a papal schism in comedy rate here. Take your side which one of these woke comedians. Would you prefer both of them start mocking. The hot shows like guys. You're part of the problem like if you don't like the host Lewis shows then maybe you shouldn't participate in the cancel culture that is involved in destroying but I do. I like the fact that they're criticizing at least well well well. How's the old no host thing going? What a dumb idea? What a joke so stupid? You know what has a host applebee's has a host their food to we would have brought food and now you guys are going to starve to death. You know who the real victims are here. It's us the hosting is the only thing we know how to do. I'm sorry but this show sucks okay and not only does it suck I mean that they're trying to make a joke out of it and sort of play both sides of the joke but the show did suck the EMMYS and the ratings were down dramatically because as it turns out wo culture is garbage woke scold culture for is just the worst. It's the worst cancel culture is garbage and even the left in comedy is starting to look around going okay. When are they come in for me and I they came for everybody else and I laughed and I went along with another coming from me? Feed in the alligator only means that they get eaten last okay time for a quick thing that I hate is show Williams was on at the emmys where she was wearing a very very expensive dress and winning an emmy as it turns out and complaining about how she doesn't get paid enough. She gets paid millions billions of dollars to be in pictures. She's particularly complaining because when they reshot all the money in the world because they had to write Kevin Spacey Out of history and then they replaced him with Christopher for plumber and did a lot of the reshoot she got paid like a thousand bucks for the re-shoot and Mark Wahlberg got paid like one point five million dollars for the re-shoot that's because he has a good agent. Her agent is crap instead of firing her agent. She decided hi to rail against the industry. I WanNa say thank you so much to. FX and to Fox twenty-one Studios I supporting me completely and for paying me equally because they understood that when you put value into a person it empowers that person to get in touch with their own inherent value and then where do they put that value they put it into into their work and so the next time a woman especially a woman of color because she stands to make fifty two cents on the dollar compared to her white male counterpart. It tells you what she needs in order to do her job. Listen to her okay. Well you know what Michelle Williams do. She could just give her jobs to women of color because it turns is out that women of color can play like three quarters of the part that she plays. I don't see her giving that up also. She should talk to her agent if she doesn't like what she got paid and I'm sorry making Michelle Williams the face of pay inequality the woman's worth probably twenty million dollars. I'm no no and that that statistic that she's citing fifty cents on the dollar is a crap statistic that has always been a crap statistic cystic. It doesn't adjust for number of hours worked for job type for educational level for years in the workforce for job level. It doesn't adjust for any of that the the the fact that we're we are supposed to listen to lectures from Michelle Williams about equal pay it taking a take it up with. Ca Take it up as you already. We'll be back here later today. 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Son of a Biden

Today, Explained

24:05 min | 1 year ago

Son of a Biden

"You ever wonder if Kiwi coach from New Zealand. It's not it's from the United States Kiko is offering today explain listeners the chance to try out their fund projects for kids of all ages for free right now at Kiko Dot com slash explained science math art engineering. They've got it all. I'm Andrew procup politics vox. Could you help I understand what is going on with President Trump Ukraine and the Biden's. There's a new scandal unfolding and it's about whether President Donald Trump used his powers of office to try and pressure the president of Ukraine into starting an investigation investigation into Joe Biden or his son Hunter Biden related to dealings that Hunter Biden had and Ukraine several years back and this has been brought to everyone's attention because a mysterious whistle blower complaint was filed by by someone within the administration. Do we know who the whistle blowers we don't they are a member of the US intelligence community which which could be someone in you know the CIA the NSA dia or it could be a contractor but what we know is that they filed filed a complaint under a certain law to the inspector general for the intelligence community. The complaint is secrets right now but according to the law it was supposed to have been at this point turned over to Congress and the trump administration has been blocking it from being turned over. Do we have any idea what's in the whistle blowers report we have a few details from the Inspector General General for the intelligence community who seems to be quite concerned about this he said complaint relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNA. Dan Is Director of National Intelligence responsibilities to the American people but most of what we know so far has come from anonymous leaks. Is that have gotten out since this whole whistleblower saga spilled out into public view and what the leaks have said is that the complaint involves at least in part trump's dealings with the president of Ukraine and particularly a phone call with the president of Ukraine crane in July in which he pressured at least eight times according to the Wall Street Journal the Ukrainian president to you open an investigation into Biden's family. What exactly is the president after here? What's funny is that trump is essentially alleging that it was biden who placed improper pressure on the government of Ukraine back when he was vice president there was a prosecutor secure in the Ukrainian government that Biden and was calling for his ouster and trump has been arguing that this may they have been related to work that Biden son was doing in the country but these are completely unverified claims by trump at this point? What was Joe Biden doing in Ukraine again so hunter Biden joined the board of a Ukrainian Natural Gas Company called Barista and that company had some potential corruption issues and there were potential investigations into that company Anthony and then in two thousand sixteen Ukraine's Prosecutor General Viktor Shokhin was pushed out and in part he was pushed out due to pressure by Vice President Biden at the time as well as other Western officials and Shokhin has reportedly been claiming that he was pushed out because he was investigating baristas payments to Hunter Biden so it was retaliation? However most reporters generally have found that there is no evidence at that point there's any connection between Biden pushing out the prosecutor general and his sons work because there there were many other Western officials who wanted this prosecutor-general out and reason generally because he wasn't trying hard enough to investigate corruption is there's or something dodgy going on there with with Joe Biden and his son hunter and Ukraine Hunter Biden is kind of a legendarily dodgy character character? She has had all sorts of questionable business endeavors. A Chinese tycoon once gave him a diamond that he just accepted what except the diamond a Chinese tikey struggled struggled with drugs is laid out in a big profile in the New Yorker by Adamant House earlier this year and Hundred Biden. He didn't speak the language he didn't seem to have particularly any expertise that would qualify him for the board of a natural gas company so it doesn't look great the part where it becomes more of a stretch is that the idea that Vice President Biden's actions in pushing out the prosecutor uh-huh general were designed to protect his son because this was not an idea hatched by Joe Biden there was a lot of criticism of this prosecutor-general within Western Europe and other. US officials and so on and they generally believed he wasn't doing enough to investigate corruption and there there had been some reports that he was in fact interfering with the investigation into this natural gas company slowing down so basically basically there's no evidence at the time that Vice President Biden did anything wrong in connection with his son but the president appears to maybe fishing for something along those lines here so what I think is going on is that back in twenty sixteen trump's campaign chair Paul manafort he had done a lot of work in Ukraine and a big scandal broke out about money that Manafort had made in Ukraine and that scandal became a big problem problem for the trump campaign manafort of course was eventually charged in the Mueller investigation and is now in prison so I think that trump say the idea for the two thousand twenty election is to try to drum up a similar scandal involving Joe Biden Joe Biden and his son are corrupt all right but the fake news does WanNa reporter because the Democrats if that ever happened if a Republican evidently what Joe Oh Biden if a Republican said what Joe Biden said they'd be getting the electric chair by right now. Do we know if the president was sort of gently suggesting the Ukrainian leader look into this or sort of urging him to do it is more on the line here well. That's the big question right now. Whether there was an an explicit or implicit quid pro quo and something that was playing out in plain sight is that in late August there was a report that the trump administration was slow walking two hundred fifty million dollars in military assistance that was approved by Congress Congress and was supposed to be sent to Ukraine. There was a lot of speculation at the time and even the Washington Post simply asserted that they had heard that at this was happening in an editorial that the president has a second and more venal agenda he is attempting to force Mr Linski to intervene in the twenty twenty. US S. presidential election by launching an investigation of the leading Democratic candidate hit Joe Biden. Mr Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine's help with his presidential campaign he is using US military aid the country desperately needs in an attempt to extort it so the idea there is that trump was demanding this Ukrainian investigation into the Biden's at the same time as he was making this demand suddenly these hundreds of millions of dollars in aid got got held up and to be clear here. Ukraine might need two hundred fifty million dollars in military aid to defend itself from Russia. Yes Ukraine crane in Russia have been in military conflict since two thousand fourteen and you know this is a serious business for them and so the withholding of that could seriously hurt the country's efforts to defend itself and we should note that earlier this month weeks after the whistleblower complaint was filed l. The trump administration allowed to Ukraine to go forward after all so we still don't have a full account from this whistle blower has the Ukrainian President President Zielinski inskeep said anything about what the nature of this call was. What may have taken place the president hasn't commented since the recent reports Ukraine's foreign minister stor was quoted telling a Ukrainian news outlet on Saturday that they didn't interpret what happened on the trump phone call as the pressure and they characterized it as a friendly conversation and and that's how trump has been characterizing it as well okay so we've got a lot of allegations is a lot of rumors a report knowing can read? Do we have anything concrete to point to to say that this may have happened or something like this may have happened. Well the weird thing about all this is that as these complaints about trump's secret conduct have emerged for for months now Rudy Giuliani trump's lawyer has been openly admitting that this is exactly what he's been trying to do trying to pressure sure the Ukrainian government to investigate Biden's family wait. You're you're saying this hyper controversial thing the president's being accused of doing Giuliani's been and openly doing that exact thing in public back in May Giuliani told the New York Times. We're not meddling in an election where meddling in an investigation which we have a right to do and Canadian investigation. Yes so Giuliani have a right to do that. Wait is that adobe no right well Giuliani back in May announced that he was going to take a trip to Kiev to meet with Ukrainian government officials and then there was another article about him doing miss in August Giuliani said that trump supported his efforts and he basically knows what I'm doing sure as his lawyer and then in August he told The Times that this whole thing thing he was just acting as a private citizen are not in his role as attorney for trump which yeah not very believable as Giuliani's spoken out about this since the whistleblower complaint became known Oh has he saw on Thursday when the reports I came out that you know this whistleblower complaint involved trump personally Giuliani went on CNN and he was interviewed by Chris Cuomo and and Cuomo asked him. Did you ask the Ukraine investigate Joe Biden no actually I didn't. ISD Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of two thousand sixteen by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton for wish never alley anything about Hunter Biden. You never ask anything about JOE by only thing I ask Joe. Biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that Lukashenko who was appointed dismissed the case against anti you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe by of course. Did you just said you did and he basically admitted that the thing happened. Giuliani tweeted later that night a president telling a president-elect of a well known corrupt country. He better investigate corruption that affects. US is doing his job. Maybe if Obama Emma did that the Biden family wouldn't have built millions from Ukraine and billions from China at being covered up by a corrupt media so wow hefty hefti allegation. Everyone was like so you just admitted that that trump did tell the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden certainly would seem like a shockingly corrupt use of the president's foreign policy powers to try to extort a foreign country into intervening with the election and to hurt his political opponents to dig up dirt at them and then Giuliani said oh well. I wasn't admitting that trump did this necessarily just that it would it'd been fine and Dandy if he did do it the break house trump responding to all this this House Biden respond to all this house everyone responding to all of this. I'm Sean Ramos. This is today explain It's hard to notice in the District of Columbia words like ninety two degrees but today is the first day of have autumn and that means our days are getting shorter which means your kids might be playing outside a little less. They might be playing indoors a little the more they might need something to do and Kiwi Co as got your back. I was just scrolling around ky-ko's instagram. It's inspiring. There's all sorts of stuff. They're very active on instagram. One of the best things I saw was a young person using a hydraulic claw than I can only assume assume that she had just previously built. It's it's like the hydraulic clause I imagine that you see in like a Bob Cat attractor but she made it so it fits on like you know a coffee table and she now knows exactly how one works today explain listeners get to try Kiko out for free right now but going into Kiko Dot com slash explained Andrew. How's the president handling all of this? How's he doing pretty chill pretty normal just another day you know defiantly asserting that he did nothing wrong that he is conversation with the Ukrainian creatine president was beautiful beautiful Nice conversation you know asserting saying that he did nothing wrong whatsoever and then of course behind the scenes his administration is fighting to make sure this whistleblower complaint does not get actually given to Congress so there is a bit of a discrepancy between his protestations of innocence and what his administration is actually doing so president trump is admitting that this call transpired? He's not denying it at all. The call transpired. I guess the question is what exactly did he say on on it. I think the way he's framing it is that corruption is bad and that he was telling the Ukrainian president to look into it and see what's going on there and that there was nothing nothing untoward or corrupt at all about what he was doing that it was absolutely perfect so clearly the president and his attorney Rudy Giuliani think that this was is above board. What about their fellow Republicans in Congress? There doesn't seem to be much concern at least not publicly expressed so far senator Lindsey Graham said and I think it's fair after what the trump's have gone through regarding Russia that somebody look at the buying connection to the Ukraine through his son Kevin McCarthy earthy the House Minority leader said this was some sort of plot by Democrats to distract people from looking into Biden's record food and wouldn't it be interesting politically if you wanted people not to look at what Biden was doing to try to bring something once again alleged against this President President as they've done time and again because they do not like an outcome of election however Mitt Romney the new senator from Utah did actually speak out and said that this whole situation is troubling in the extreme and he read that it is critical for the facts to come out so he's one of the very very few people from the Republican Party who are prominent who've expressed some concern about this. I'm guessing the Democrats are having a different reaction yeah pretty different. The Democrats are furious and this whole situation was first brought to public attention because Adam Schiff the chairman out of the House Intelligence Committee was told by the Inspector General for the intelligence community that there was the secret whistle blower complaint that wasn't being handed over by by administration higher ups so shift went public. He said that the trump administration is flatly violating the law by refusing to turn over the whistleblower complaint and neglecting to turn over a complaint would be illegal. How would that be illegal? The complaint was filed under a particular Taylor law called the intelligence community whistleblower protection act and it does seem to clearly state that if the inspector general designates the complaint as a matter of urgent concern than the Director of National Intelligence has to give it to Congress but instead the acting director of National Intelligence has refused to do this. He said he did so in consultation with the justice this department there have recently been reports that the White House was also involved in this decision so there is very clearly an effort to prevent the full facts from being given over to Congress and naturally congress is furious about it and they're also furious about the substance of the underlying underlying allegation itself shift called it the most profound violation of the presidential oath of office certainly during this presidency would says a lot but perhaps apps during just about any presidency and Senator Chris Murphy Democrat from Connecticut said I think if we do have evidence from this whistle blower that the president indeed tried to bully a foreign power into effecting our elections then we have to do something about it and Schiff mentioned impeachment as a potential next step yep forward Democrats generally have been hesitant to move forward with impeachment but if they learn more facts about this situation and it looks pretty bad to them they they might end up going forward with impeachment anyway has Nancy Pelosi waited on that option speaker. Nancy Pelosi released a letter. She said that if the Administration Asian persists in blocking this whistleblower from disclosing to Congress a serious possible breach of constitutional duties by the president they will be entering a grave new new chapter of lawlessness which will take us into a whole new stage of investigation. What does that mean well? There was a chorus of mockery of Pelosi from liberals and people on the left to have been demanding trump's impeachment all year basically and Pelosi has been pushing back against against that Pelosi still thinks impeachment is a dead end and a political loser he certain to remain in office and it only puts her moderate Democrats in a tough spot to take vote that won't end up achieving anything is her thinking but the risk of that is of course that if Democrats have themselves selves taking the threat of impeachment off the table then trump may feel even more unconstrained to do whatever he wants without any consequences so that's what Pelosi Lucius struggling with year. She's trying to say oh well. There will be consequences. There will be a whole new stage of investigation and her critics are saying well okay. You know if you're not gonNA impeach what he really talking about has biden himself waited on this Biden has said of course that he did nothing wrong and he called for a transcript of trump's call with the Ukrainian president to be released and in a statement he said that there is truly know Baden Auden who president trump's willingness to abuse his power and Abass his country in Iowa Biden made brief comments about the matter to reporters owners should be looking at trump French. Doing this big throws. I'll beat him like a drum and the Houston the abuse of power and every element of the presidency residency to try to do something to smear me. Does this end up starting to sound a little muller investigation to e to You. It seems seems unlikely that the Justice Department now under Attorney General Bill Bar will seriously scrutinize trump for this this in part because it's not clear that what he's alleged to have done broke any laws it could be an unethical use of government power so how will this result in a huge justice department special counsel investigation into the President I would say probably not will it be a scandal that will have some legs and have some twists and turns yet to come that's entirely possible. Is there a chance at how the Justice Department had the Democrats. That's how the president how Biden all handled the situation has serious implications for the health and tenor of the election. That's still one year you're away. Is this a moment that will have major implications on the rest of this campaign what I think if trump gets away with this if he views visit as that he can pressure all sorts of foreign governments to try to help him out and help defeat the Democratic nominee whoever it it may be it could get pretty ugly. He seems to have no compunction about trying to win by any means necessary. Sorry so things could get even dice here going forward when it comes to how the two thousand twenty election actually plays out thanks to Kiko for their consistent support of the program here they're offering today explain pulling listeners the chance to try out there empowering fun engaging projects for kids of all ages right now gratis. You can check them out at Kiko. Dot Com slash explained E. X. P. L. A. N. E.

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Extortion

The Asset

1:20:52 hr | 1 year ago

Extortion

"The Max Bergmann here for more of the asset podcast please go to our patriarch page at. Www W. W. dot patriots dot com slash asset podcast. That's T. R. E. N. dot com slash acid podcast. You'll hear the a full interviews with our roster experts and analysts you'll also get more exclusive content from the acid team like our interview with the Chairman of the House. Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff F. R. Y.. Event reacting to Robert Morris testimony and upcoming episode following the mysterious trail of Dead Russians around the twenty sixteen election and a whole lot more. Don't don't miss out sign up today at. WWW dot patriots dot com slash asset podcast previously on the asset to key. He figures are behind bars. Tonight both happen to be associates of Rudy Giuliani president. Trump's personal lawyer. ABC News has just learned that to foreign born trump donors who are part of Rudy Giuliani's efforts to investigate Joe Biden have been arrested. They have been charged with campaign finance violations and are set to appear in court in Virginia. This was the first arrest of the Ukraine investigation left Parnasse and eager from in both were associates of Rudy. Giuliani who've been helping him in his quest to find dirt on the Biden's but how they became key figures and trump's extortion of Ukraine. That's something we do. Now in. Their story offers a window into the corruption. Chaos of the trump White House. And how how. Many people stood to benefit from their willingness to shape down the Ukrainian government colluding about Russians which. I'm not even know if that's a crime polluting about Russia. Okay on April twenty first. This happened Ukrainian comedian has won the presidential election with a landslide. Securing more than seventy percent cent of the vote in Ukraine Episode Three Extortion on July Twenty Fifth Jeff Twenty nine thousand. Nine trump had his now infamous phone call with the newly elected. Ukrainian president below. d'humieres Alinsky this call came seven seven days. After the trump administration had decided to withhold aid to Ukraine from the White House released. Transcript of the call which may have been altered and it shows trump essentially extorting Zielinski. Trump is in effect trying to collude with Ukraine in the twenty twenty election. He Asks Alinsky to to work with Rudy Giuliani his personal lawyer and attorney. General are to investigate former vice president. Joe Biden trump was offering offering a foreign country the resources of the US Justice Department to investigate his potential twenty twenty opponent in suggesting that this investigation Shen was a precondition for the US Ukraine cooperation. That Zilenski desperately sought trumps started out the call by telling Zielinski that the US has provided a lot of support for Ukraine and that he's worried that the relationship is quote. Reciprocal he actually used the word reciprocal. In case anyone had any doubts. About the fact that this was clearly going to be a quid pro quo conversation. The president of the United States is acting like a mob boss Angry that a woman like you would be not just dismissed but humiliated and attacked by the president of the United States. The lifetime of service and sacrifice an excellent might be ignored by the president of the United States worse yet attacked in language that would embarrass a mob boss. What those notes reflect is a classic mafia-like shakedown before leader? That sounds more like I made an offer. They couldn't refuse much more extortion. Then Quinn pre. It wasn't a deal. It was a threat and it was a mob. SHAKEDOWN trump. Says I will say that. We do a lot for Ukraine. We spent a lot of effort in a Lotta time much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. The United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening thing. That are not good. But the United States has been very very good to Ukraine split Zielinski Gi then think trump and said that Ukraine would like to buy more weapons from the United States but trump responds. I would like you to do us a favor favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation. With Ukraine. They say crowd strike. I guess you have one of your wealthy people. The server they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things things that went on the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the attorney general. Call you or your people people and I'd like you to get to the bottom of it as you saw yesterday. That whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller an incompetent performance. But they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do? It's very important that you do it if that's possible now. The Price H.. For the license is less than twenty thousand dollars. That's right now. Why would I consider paying more than that? Because I didn't squeezed you. Let's break this down for second. Trump is effectively accusing Ukraine of interfering in the twenty sixteen election against him. He also seems to say it's a little confusing. Because of the ellipse that are in the transcript. Meaning we're not quite sure. Sure exactly what he said. Here that quote one of your wealthy people which may be a reference to the main oligarch backer Zielinski who is actually under investigation in the US. By the Department of Justice so trump seems to be saying I could make your life very difficult Zielinski and so whatever you can do. Trump concludes includes his comments. It's very important that you do it and quote and I south. I said Nice House. You live there little girls. Having a birthday hunts this family yes it is and to take care seat and nothing happens So alinsky now on this call has to dance. He doesn't want to get in the middle of interfering in American politics but trump is basically accusing accusing Ukraine of which Dolinsky is now in charge of of interfering in the two thousand sixteen election and in this has been overlooked saying that Zielinski is surrounding himself himself with quote unquote the same people in other words. Trump is saying. You're kind of looking like my enemy like my adversary pacifist Santino. Tina Gao Yu wrong fingers sunny for the budget. You play with my sister you think they could fool the Cardi on my comment. I swear kids Lewinsky is now on the back foot and he says he is quote ready to open a new page cooperation in relations between the United States and and Ukraine so he said sure he will meet with Rudy and quote. I just want to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I also want to tell you that that we are friends. I guarantee as president of Ukraine the all the investigations will be done openly and candidly that I can assure you keep saying. Don't worry dude we're cool. We're friends I'm not your enemy but Dolinsky response is also sort of a non-answer ya'll gal with rudy and I WANNA be friends isn't the same thing as yes definitely. I'm going to look into this and start an investigation into your political opponents. So trump isn't finished he. He drives home the point quote. Good because I heard you how to prosecutor who is very good in. He was shut down. And that's really unfair are a lot of people are talking about that the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved only. Don't tell me you because it sells intelligence. Xp Very angry trump's now referring to the Prosecutor General Lute Sankoh who we talked talked about in the last episode who was playing ball with Rudy Giuliani. Who is giving interviews to John Solomon and has? We'll talk about to the New York Times saying that he's going to investigate instigate Joe Biden trump. Then pivots back to what he wants. Quote Mr Giuliani is a highly respected ban. I will ask him to call you along with their attorney. Attorney General Rudy. Very much knows what's happening. And he's a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. There's a lot of talk about Biden son and that Biden stopped the prosecution in a lot of people. WanNa find out about that so whatever you can do. With attorney general would be great Biden went around bragging that he stop the prosecution so if you can look into it it sounds horrible to me. So let's remember who Giuliani is. He's trump's personal lawyer hired it to defend trump around the more investigation. I know almost every big liar. New York who the hell are you special practice. I handled one client. Trump is saying his alinsky. You really need to meet with my personal lawyer and this is also often been lost the US Attorney General General to investigate Biden in his son his political opponent in so Zielinski agrees. He says I get it. He says his new prosecutor general quote quote will look into the situation specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue the issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore honesty so we work on the investigation of the case. Zilenski says in other words Zielinski assaying. Yes the extortion is working. But trump doesn't don't want there to be any confusion about what Zielinski needs to do and he says quote. I will have Mr Giuliani gave you a call and I'm also going the have attorney general bar call in we will get to the bottom of it wasn't asking. I was telling Giuliani bar. Trump's personal lawyer and his attorney Attorney General his Roy Cohn the guy he appointed to protect him are going to give Zilenski a call zone Linski agrees to take their call but trump is still not done almost off hand. He mentioned that this is really ause. alinsky needs to do for trump to give him what he wants. This White House meeting the stamp of White House approval of American approval. Trump says quote. I will tell Rudy Attorney General. Barda call thank you whenever you would like to come to the White House feel free free to call give us a date and we'll work that out. I look forward to seeing you end. Quote trump right here was dangling. The meeting that Zielinski Linski team had been desperate to get in trump. Says they'll call you and then you'll get your meaning. Where's my Roy Cohn that's the question? President trump reportedly asked an anger after learning that his then Attorney General Jeff sessions had recused himself from the Russian investigation in two thousand seventeen president. Trump wanted an attorney general. Who would to protect them? Someone like Roy Cohn controversial lawyer that did represent trump and his nonpolitical career as the DOJ finds itself now at the center of the whistle blower scandal. Some are accusing them of protecting the president. The thing about a presidential phone call though is that they are not private other members of the national security team. Listen in is you taking the notes full of criminal conspiracy and it would be a bit of an understatement to say that most of the people listening on this call freaked out trump was is using the power of the presidency to strong arm to extort a foreign country to help himself politically he was once. Again trying to collude allude with a foreign country in this time he was caught in the act and it was so brazen that trump's own people people who volunteered to work for him in the White House who supported him thought it crossed the line thought it was too much in thought something needed to be done to stop him. Perhaps trump after Muller's feeble performance thought. He was home free but much. Like how trump's firing of Komi lead to the appointment of Robert Mueller trump's call l. prompted a whistleblower complaint which ended up breaking the scandal wide open so much in the Russia investigation in the Ukraine scandal has been incredibly complicated. Did but what led up to this call and what follows is a clear in straightforward sequence of events of a corrupt man in his corrupt team. Doing whatever it takes the help themselves. Even if it meant abusing their power breaking the law in extorting a partner of the United States. I Max Bergmann in this is the asset in Twenty Fifteen Ukranians tuned into a new TV. Show Servant of the people I it was a comedy about a schoolteacher who became president president of Ukraine. After video of him ranting about government corruption went viral. It was a funny show and he was a hit who wouldn't love to watch a TV show about someone other than a politician becoming president. The Star of the show was a man named Wlodimierz Alinsky. He immediately shot to stardom in two thousand eighteen. His production team started herded their own political party and called it quote servant of the people just like the show. They aimed high putting up for president just like on the show show in his platform focused on corruption. Just like on the show. A lot of people didn't quite know what to make of him including most foreign policy analyst and most governments around the world. Kaminsky is based on amd the Julia. Louis Dreyfus of Ukraine the town of laughter regularly get some of the highest ratings in the country three. He's also been playing conversion of the Ukrainian president for three seasons seasons people even compared to you guessed it. Donald trump in his campaign wasn't your typical political campaign instead of the usual rallies or speeches the Kennan and it would use digital platforms like instagram. He currently has eight point. Seven million followers Lewinsky capitalized on his image from the TV show. Just like his character he was an outsider outsider running to change the system that was corrupt in the message was resonating. Ukraine's comic actor Vladimir Zilenski owes his success in the first round of the presidential election. Two TV fame and a protest vote by young people frustrated by corruption and the slow pace of reform. In one of Europe's poorest countries giving people more important to me more than political is our ambition. The people are everything that Ukrainian people are waiting for us. Stunned this debate. That looked more like a rock concert. He promised to overturn system. That's long been run by rich all the guards. I'm not a politician Titian. I'm not a politician at all. I'm just a person an ordinary person who has come to break the system. If you've been listening into the season so far that probably won't surprise you. There's a pretty clear through line from what we talked about. Episodes one into about Ukraine's corruption problems. The multiple revolutions that Ukrainians experienced over the last ten years had failed to deliver the change. They were hoping for had failed to uproot corruption and this led to his Alinsky is rise. Here's vice just two weeks. Before the election connecting the dots hundreds of thousands took Dan Revolution in two thousand fourteen back then. Protesters had height. I towards ending endemic corruption and transforming the economy. But that was five years ago. Nothing's really improved and Ukraine is still in a war with Russia. That seemed thirteen thousand casualties thirty candidates running for president although only three serious contenders CON president and former Oligarch Petro Persian Co and two time. Presidential runner-up Yulia Timoshenko A well-known vote due to in part for the numerous allegations of corruption made against them. Both somehow the Linski is the most plausible fresh face. Face questions about Dolinsky then emerged right away back in his campaign was the oligarch who owned the TV station. That hosted his show Ebor Cola. Moise Komorowski has been accused of embezzling billions of dollars using his Ukrainian Bank that the Ukrainian government later privatized cool moist denies all of this but he is the kind of guy that reportedly hordley kept a huge pet shark in his office that he fed during meetings. That's not intimidating at all so Komansky has exactly the kind of track record word. That's Alinsky was running against so people weren't exactly sure if Dolinsky would deliver if you would actually tackle corruption and then on April Twenty first twenty twenty nine thousand nine hundred life imitated art Ukrainians went to the polls and the foods he one year old television comedian with no political experience experience now the leader of a country at war with Russia. We did it together. Thanks to everyone now. There will be no pathetic speeches. I just want to say thank you Alinsky. The ski didn't just win. He beat the incumbent Ukrainian President Petro Porsche. ANCO with seventy three percent of the vote he was coming to office with potentially a massive mandate and that was a mandate to tackle corruption in suddenly all of the work that Rudy Giuliani on behalf of Donald trump had been doing to cultivate altuva. People inside the Porsche Ankle. Government was in jeopardy. Dolinsky was a giant wrench in all the scheming that we talked about in the last episode would did he get with the program would help dig up dirt on trump's political opponents. Would he be on board for the natural gas scheme. Those guys Parnasse and fruman were pushing. That meant Marie Ivanovich. The US ambassador to Ukraine who is pushing the Ukrainian government to fight corruption to remove the corrupt prosecutor. General Yury let's anchor. WHO's working with Julian and who wasn't fighting corruption and she was opposing the scheming over Ukraine's energy sector? She was an obstacle and so she had to go. Ivanovich who's representing the United States of America was even told by Ukrainian officials that she had to quote watch took her back. Because Ukraine's new that Rudy Giuliani and Parnell and Freeman were angling to get her fired. So ultimately that smear campaign ain't push president trump to remove her corrector. I cannot judge that what I can say is that Rudy. Giuliani smear campaign was ubiquitous in the spring of twenty nineteen on Fox News News and on the Internet and twitter. Sphere so ambassador Taylor and Mr Kent and all of your combined decades at the State Department have you ever. Before seen an instance instance where an ambassador was forced out by the president following a smear campaign of misinformation orchestrated by the president's allies. I have not in and then in late April the director general of the Foreign Service called her first she called ten PM in according to Ianovich deposition to the house impeachment inquiry. She said quote things were going wrong kind of off the track and she wanted to give me a heads up. She didn't know what was happening but there was a lot of nervousness on the seventh four and up the street in other words the seventh floor. The top four of the State Department were secretary. POMPEO has his office was getting nervous in up the street. Eight from foggy bottom is the White House. And then you've got another call this time at one in the morning. According to Ivanovich quote she said that there was a a lot of concern for me that I needed to be on the next plane to Washington and I was like what what happened and she said I don't know but this is about your security charity. You need to come home immediately. You need to come home on the next plane. IANOVICH getting recalled back to the US and she couldn't even get had a clear reason why she met with the Deputy Secretary of state the number two official in the State Department where she was told. She didn't do anything wrong wrong. According to ianovich quote so the deputy secretary said that you know he was sorry. This was all happening that the president had lost confidence. And I would need to depart. Might Post I said what have I done wrong. And he said you've done nothing wrong. And he said that he had had to speak with embassador. who had been recalled for 'cause before and this was not that I was upset and I you know I want an explanation because this is rather unusual but he could not offer one beyond the fact that the president had made a decision and it is the president's to make as we know in other words trump had her removed on May seven th? US government formally announced that he was recalling. Maria vets one month gap between the time you left and went ambassador. Taylor arrived provided the perfect opportunity for another group of people to basically take over for Ukraine. Policy isn't that right. Partisan firm in the schemers we talked about in the last episode were according to their indictment and from the southern district of New York pressing for her removal for the past year. And now she was gone in a few months later. On July twenty fifth call was Alinsky. Trump would tells Alinsky that you're GonNa Vich was quote GonNa go through some things when you was asked about this by the house. Intelligence Committee Committee. What did you think of that statement when it became public? She said I didn't know what it meant. I was very concerned. I still am the questioner asked. Did you feel threatened. Yes in the White House in the National Security Council there was also a stunned reaction. Fiona Hill was the senior director of the top White House official responsible for Europe and Russia. She was clear eyed about Russia and she had written an excellent book about Putin while she was at the Brookings Institution in Twenty fifteen she was one of the few Republican publican foreign policy hands that decided to serve in this administration but when von which was recalled she was stunned. She told the house impeachment inquiry that quote there there was a period before the ousting of our ambassador and there was a period after this the dismissal of ambassador bridge was a real turning point for us and up there was no basis for her removal. The accusation against her had no merit whatsoever to hill. The only plausible explanation for for her removal quote seemed to be business dealings of individuals who wanted to improve their investment positions inside of Ukraine itself into deflect away from the findings of not not just the Miller report on Russian interference but also the Senate Intelligence Committee Reports Concerned Hill discussed ambassador. Yvonne riches removal level with the National Security Adviser John Bolton who according to hill quote directly said Rudy. Giuliani is a hand grenade. That is going to well. Well everybody up after poor Schinkel lost. The election. Giuliani wasted no time. This was a desperate period for trump and Giuliani. The more report had it. Just come out. The White House adjust deployed it's dubious strategy of stonewalling and not providing witnesses to Congress and so- Giuliani worked together. A story placed laced with the New York Times on May first two thousand nineteen. A story broke the New York Times about top twenty twenty candidate and former vice president Joe Biden's connections to Ukraine with the headline quote Biden faces conflict of interest questions that are being promoted by trump in allies. We've talked about the origins of this biting conspiracy. Here's the theory in the previous episode. And until now the mainstream media hadn't been handwritten stories about it hadn't covered it but now the New York Times the paper of record bit in they bit hard. The first nine paragraphs in the story were about Joe Biden's efforts to fire the prosecutor general of Ukraine Ukraine. As well as Hunter Biden's position on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Barisno. The only real news hook in this story. Was that quote a decision this year by the current Ukraine prosecutor-general to reverse himself in reopened investigation into Berea have pushed the issue back into the spotlight just as the senior. Mr Biden is beginning his twenty twenty presidential campaign unquote in other words. The news was the prosecutor. General was opening investigation into Biden which he had been pressured to do so by Giuliani. But here's the thing. It's not even clear that this is true that the Prosecutor General General Sankoh had actually ever reopened any case into Biden so the lead of the New York Times story is based on a fairly shaky premise based on the word of this corrupt prosecutor general. Who talked about in the last episode had lied to John? Solomon saying that Marie Ivanovich had given him A. Do not prosecute list. This this was what the lead of the New York Times story was about. But what was accurate about the story with the New York Times way to mention until the stories tenth paragraph was members of trump world led by Rudy. Giuliani had seized on the story. And we're pushing the Ukrainian government to investigate Biden. The story read that quote. Allies of Mr Trump have been eager to publicize and even encouraged investigation as well as other Ukrainian inquiries that serve Mr Trump's political ends Mr Giuliani's involvement raises questions about whether Mr Trump is endorsing an effort to push a foreign government to proceed with the case that could hurt a political opponent in at home. The Story Outline Giuliani Scheming. His meetings with both the Prosecutor General Lukashenko in the former prosecutor general shokhin who biden got fired tired in an even said that. Mr Giuliani called Mr trump excitedly to brief him on his findings according to people familiar with the conversations. Giuliani according to the story quote acknowledged that he has discussed the matter with the president on multiple occasions. So when you look at what's going on and then you see all of this horrible stuff and then you hear about Ukraine. You've been hearing about it. I heard Clinton was involved. I heard they got somebody who wrote the FIG dossier was it out of out of Ukraine all of the things that happened and I assume that the attorney general I would like the Attorney General to find out what's going on according to the time story. Quote Mr Giuliani said. He got involved because he was seeking to counter the more investigation with evidence that Democrats conspired with sympathetic Ukrainians to help initiate. What became the special? Counsel's inquiry Giuliani. There in May says he he was doing all of this to help trump politically Giuliani's quoted in the story saying quote. I can assure you this. All started with an allegation about possible. Ukrainian craning involvement in the investigation of Russian meddling in not biden the biden pieces collateral to the bigger story but must still be investigated but without without the prejudgments that infected the collusion story and quote in other words. This is all about the more investigation. Giuliani is trying to create a counter narrative for trump. And he's telling that to the New York Times he's literally admitting to what he's being accused of now on the impeachment inquiry and he did so back in May in the lesson here is how you construct a story matters. In by leading with Biden they put the attention on Biden not on the scheming of Giuliani and trump which was actually the criminal act actually the abuse of power and actually the story that could bring down a presidency but as Dan pfeiffer a former senior adviser to president as an Obama later put it on twitter quote. The New York Times reporter had all the information needed for a Watergate style scoop about trump and was so hell bent on fitting the information information into a predetermined anti narrative that he fumbled the ball. And if you listen to the first season of the asset the New York Times fumbling a major story should should not come as a surprise because on October thirty first twenty sixteen they basically did the same thing just a week before the election with the headline quote quote investigating Donald Trump. FDIC's no clear linked to Russia in mid-may two thousand nineteen. Giuliani had even planned a trip to Ukraine. He told the New New York Times and a foul on story quote. We're not meddling in an election. Were meddling in an investigation which we have the right to do. There's nothing illegal about it. He said somebody could say it's improper in. This isn't foreign policy. I'm asking them to do an investigation that they're doing already in that other people are telling them to stop and I'm going to give them reasons reasons why they shouldn't stop it. Because that information will be very very helpful to my client in May turn out to be helpful to my government rudy again again admits to the extortion in the New York. Times in the paper of record on May ninth. Twenty nineteen to White House officials. Trump's attitude towards Ukraine was inexplicably negative senior administration officials. Who worked on Ukraine? Just couldn't explain it. It was inexplicable will part part of the reason it was probably inexplicable to them is that they didn't listen to season one of the asset. Because if you had listened to it it's pretty damn explicable. The the podcast is called the asset for a reason in throughout the spring and summer of two thousand nineteen from wins Alinsky took office to the now infamous July twenty fifth phone call l. with trump one of trump's top advisors in his aide were bombarding him with negative messages about Ukraine telling him he needed to take a more aggressive stance toward Lord Ukraine and should not think highly Zielinski. The problem is those advisers weren't Americans. They weren't White House officials or State Department officials or even the US government officials. It was Russian President Vladimir Putin in Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. According to a story in the Washington Post between between Zielinski Selection April and his inauguration in May trump talked with Putin over the phone and actually met with Victor on in the White House in the two months. After after Zilinskiene inauguration trump talked with Putin at least two more times I at the g twenty conference in June where they palled around for the cameras take time together very positive things so certainly in the laughed off Russian interference in two thousand sixteen bonded over their hatred of the free press Russia and then again trump talked to Putin on the phone in July. According to The Washington Post on trump's may third call with Putin trump actually asked Putin what he thought of Zilenski. The Washington Post reported that Putin who remember was fighting a war against Ukraine according to US officials quote. Did what he always does. He sought to undermine the US relationship with Ukraine in Putin called Ukraine quote note just a den of corruption even quote unquote derided Zielinski as a comedian the or visit to the White House was also controversial or bond basically weekly represents the worst of Europe so called populist wave. He and his party are antidemocratic. Anti EU Orban's since he's been in office as effectively squeezed the the life out of Hungarian democracy. The former president of the European Commission even called him his dictator Beulah. Not The usual greeting. You would expect to hear. It's an e you get together. The dictator was the word chosen by European Commission. President jean-claude Ymca welcomed Hungary's Victor Orban in Latvia. He was also the only European leader to endorse trump in two thousand sixteen. And here's how his visit to. The White House was covered. It was Viktor. Orban's first visit to the White House in twenty years and found a like minded leader in President. Trump probably like me a little bit controversial. But that's okay that's okay. You've you've done a good job that you've kept your country safe or bond has also played footsie with Russia engaging in dubious infrastructure projects and according to reports looking the other way as Russia uses says Budapest as its intelligence hub within the European Union as political noted back in two thousand seventeen Putin has visited Hungary several times since Orban's took office in Hungary was the first European Country Putin visited after his twenty fourteen invasion of Crimea. Russia also regularly boosts or bond in his government on its state run propaganda networks like RT and Sputnik. It's therefore not especially surprising that trump would invite someone like or onto the Oval Office but administration officials. Were against this meeting. They didn't want to take place. According to The Washington Post Trump's advisers tried to stop trump from meeting with Oregon because they knew trump would listen to him over for his own cabinet. According to one former White House official quote basically. Everyone agreed no Orbin meeting because we knew there was a good chance that trump and orban's would bond and get along and quote. We don't know exactly what trump and or von talked about because in something of a trend with trump. There were no official note takers. What was an hour long meeting? What we do know is that one official said that the meeting quote solidified trump's negative views about dolinsky quote an example of the president? They didn't himself under malign influence being steered by it. This is from someone serving in government. Who thinks that? The president is under the malign influence of Putin in May according to another Washington Post Story Mick Mulvaney the acting White House chief of staff and head of Owen be decided to quote take Ukraine policy out of the traditional channels input according to their term the three Amigos goes on top of the name there was former governor of Texas in current US energy. He's Secretary Rick Perry. There was Gordon. Sunland a longtime gop donor who made his fortune in the hotel industry news been serving the US ambassador to the European Union. The fact that he was involved in Ukraine Halsey at all should have raised big red flags because Ukraine is in the European Union. Indian there's also Kurt Volker and we mentioned him last episode because he worked at consulting firm that Ukraine's last president. Petro Poor SHANECO had hired to help set up our relationship with trump and he has been serving as a special envoy to Ukraine Volcker was not some hack. He was an experienced foreign policy. Hand had served in the Bush administration nistration and during his tenure was one of those administration appointees that wasn't a trump acolyte but was a republican and had been waiting for years to serve again in a Republican looking administration and was one of the rare breed. That was willing to do that. Even under trump to the State Department officials normally would have been involved in Ukraine issues. Were told to lay low. So that the three Amigos as they call themselves could get to work on May. Twentieth Zielinski was inaugurated. Zillion ski arrived to his inauguration on foot. The crowds delighted with the man. They've known for years as a comic touch on their TV screens. He stopped philosophies. and Hi Five's jumping to kiss members of the public true manner. The people stuff the crowds chanting Zilenski. He took to the red carpet and strode with panache through the parliament Alinsky. He was elected with a huge majority but how he would approach Russia in how the US would approach. The new. Ukrainian government was of the utmost importance. Ukraine rain was still fighting an act of war with Russia and he had been elected on anti-corruption platform demonstrating he had. US backing was critical for Zielinski. Both both the show his people especially those who didn't vote for him because they questioned how he would handle the war and to show Russia that nothing had changed publicly. He needed a White House. Meeting with trump that classic handshake photo in the Oval Office. That said Hey I of the United States of America behind me he also needed the US to continue to support Ukraine. The possibility of a White House meeting was being held contingent to an announcement how how important to presidents Alinsky was a White House meeting new leaders particularly countries that are trying to A Re have good footing International Rena See a meeting with us. President in the Oval Office at the White House as as the ultimate sign of endorsement and support from the United States and presidents Alinsky was a relatively new president. Is that right. That's correct. He was elected on on April twenty first and his government was formed. After parliamentary elections in July would a White House meeting presidents alinsky boost his legitimacy as a new president president and Ukraine it would primarily boost his leverage to negotiate with lot Amir Putin about the Russian occupation of seven percent of Ukrainian territory but Who shows up at inauguration for world leader sends a big signal INS? Alinsky needed a strong American showing. At First Vice President Pence was supposed to come which would have sent a strong message that the US backs Alinsky then suddenly pence backed out this wasn't due to some scheduling issue. The Washington the Post reported that trump. Actually instructed pence not to attend the inauguration the delegation that did end up showing was much much weaker it was led led by US energy secretary. Rick Perry Ambassador to the EU Sunland special envoy Volcker also attended while he was there Rick Perry also got a a meeting was Alinsky in there as the head of the. US Delegation Perry Push Linski to change the NAFTA GAS Board. He wanted Linski to replace members of the board with people who were more trump friendly. Now remember Parnasse in Fruman when they were in Houston in March. An energy conference were also pushing to change. The NAFTA GAS board here was Perry just a few weeks after Ivanovich was removed. Something that partisan firm and we're also pushing for here. He was pressuring the Ukrainian President to changed the board of Nafta Gas A.. What still remains murky here? But what's clear is that Rick. Perry refused to cooperate with impeachment proceedings. Now now if there was nothing untoward done by Rick Perry. Then what does he have to hide. Why isn't he cooperating? And just over the weekend we learned that Perry met met with Dolinsky without anyone there from the embassy he cut out the note. Takers Fiona Hill. The White House Senior Director explained in her deposition into the house impeachment inquiry that during this period she had met with a US member of the NAFTA GAS Board who the trump administration had actually appointed. She says quote it had come to his attention that there was a lot of pressure being put on the officials of Nafta Gas who had also reached out to talk to me and my colleagues at the national security already council to have other board members put in place in. This seemed to be at the direction of Giuliani now hill. who was running? Russia in Ukraine policy on the National Security Council was also like what is this hotel Guy Sunlen doing dealing with Ukraine. Firstly he deals with the EU and Ukraine is not a member of the EU but secondly he's a donor ambassador. They're generally three types of ambassadors their career foreign service officers then there are political appointees at our experts. Are Those with experience. Like former Governor of Utah. Jon Huntsman who was ambassador to Russia and then there are the donors every administration has used embassador postings to reward their political backers their donors in Sunland had given one million dollars to the trump inaugural to become ambassador. The thing about the donor ambassadors is that they often don't know what they're doing they're out of their depth. They have no experience yet. They tend to be a little bit arrogant and they cause a ton of headaches and Sunlen was a total headache according to hill so he'll ask sunland on. Whose Authority is he working on Ukraine and he said quote the president? This wasn't how things were supposed to go. These channels weren't normal in his testimony before Congress Ambassador Tailor made that pretty clear. I found the confusing unusual arrangement for making US policy towards Ukraine there appeared to be two channels policy making an implementation one regular one highly irregular as the Acting Ambassador Authority over the regular formal diplomatic processes including the bulk of the US effort to support Ukraine against Russian invasion to help it defeat corruption. My colleague Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent and our colleagues at the National Security Council. Where my main point of contact in Washington in this regular channel this channel is formerly responsible for formulating and overseeing the implementation of US foreign policy with respect to Ukraine a policy that has consistently enjoyed strong and bipartisan support? Both in Congress and in all administration since Ukraine's independence from Russia in one thousand nine hundred one at the same time however I cure I encountered an irregular informal channel of US policy making with respect to Ukraine unaccountable to Congress a channel that included then special envoy Kurt Volker US ambassador to the European Union. Gordon Sunlen Secretary of Energy Rick Perry White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and then as I subsequently learned Mr Giuliani on July tenth these two channels converged twos Alinsky advisors traveled to Washington. DC to visit the White House else. They stayed at where else the trump hotel down the street and made sure their American guests knew about it. They were there to walk in. US support for their new government into finally secure a White House meeting for his Alinsky. The two Ukrainians went to the White House and met with trump's national security advisor John Bolton as well as Sunlen. I'm Lynn Volker. Perry and Fiona Hill. It was actually hills last few weeks on the job. The meeting was going fine. Bolton was careful not to promise a White House meeting but that's when Gordon sunlen according to hill quote blurted out. Well we have an agreement with the chief of staff for a meeting if these investigations in the energy sector actor start. According to Hill Bolton stiffened up in immediately ended the meeting as the meeting was breaking up. Sawan instructed the Ukrainians and Perry Volker ochre to follow him into another room. It was the post meeting meeting to talk about the next steps of the meeting. Got It basically. Someone is working around around the White House National Security Advisor Bolton could see them going into this other room and he told Hill to go find out what was going on. He'll goes down down. The hallway walks into the room and according to her quote Ambassador Song in front of the Ukrainians as I came in was talking about how he had an agreement and with chief of Staff Mulvaney for meeting with the Ukrainians if they were going to go forward with the investigations and Quote Hill says her director rector that covered Ukraine. Lieutenant Colonel Vigne quote was looking completely alarmed and she said that Ukrainians quote looked very alarmed as well. He didn't didn't look like he knew it was going on and quote Hill said she interrupted and said we can't discuss this here and according to hill quote and Ambassador Sunlen cut me off off. He said we have an agreement. They'll have a meeting and quote the Ukrainians leave in Hill in Sunland. Have Words and Sunlen tells her he had discussions discussions with the chief of staff and Giuliani. He'll goes back to Bolton and tells them what happened and Bolton tells her to go talk to John Eisenberg. The White White House counsel because according to Hill Bolton said quote Ugo Intel Eisenberg that I am not part of whatever drug deal Sunlen in Mulvaney. Are Cooking hooking up on this. This is the new testimony that Bolton apparently said quote. I'm not part of whatever drug deal sunlen and Mulvaney you are cooking up. This is not breaking bad. This is real life. Mr Bolton a very accomplished lawyer in addition to his other training knew what was going on he had a view of it. He wanted to warn the White House in no uncertain terms. He viewed as criminal. And there's a lawyer speaking to lawyers and non lawyers. He called it the drug deal so he couldn't be misinterpreted. Couldn't be misheard and that's not all we're learning from this new witness that Mr Bilden also warned quote Giuliani as a hand grenade. Who's going to blow? Everybody up Bolton reportedly told the witness to report her concerns to not just anybody to a top lawyer at the National Security Council which she reportedly did to put this in context for a second. This is John Bolton he's he's probably the most radical right wing conservative national security adviser ever in American history. This was the best speech of the trump presidency in my view. I think if he was as clear and direct as possible to be during the Bush administration he was too extreme for the Republican controlled Senate. Who wouldn't confirm him to be? UN when ambassador and he was strongly pro trump. Just eight days after this meeting on July. Eighteenth Twenty nineteen trump ordered his chief of staff who is also director of the Office of Management Budget. Mick Mulvaney to put a hold on two hundred fifty million dollars in vital military aid to Ukraine. This this was aid that Congress had already approved aid that the Pentagon had already certified that Ukraine was supposed to receive aid. That was going to Ukraine to help them fight a war against against Russia the announcement came at a run of the mill and SC coordination meeting with fairly mid level officials from all over the government lament. This wasn't supposed to be news-making meeting but when the NBA official at the meeting said they were putting a hold on Ukraine security assistance. People were stunned. No explanation was given why we're putting a hold on this funding nor would there ever be an explanation on why the hold was in place. No one knew what the hell was going on the following day on July Nineteenth Volker connected Giuliani with top Zielinski. Aide Andrei your Mac and suggested that the two men speak Song told Taylor and Volker that he spoke to his Alinsky in quote gave him a full briefing. He's got it Volcker said it was quote most important for Zielinski to publicly announce that he would quote. help the investigation having Zielinski Ski Make a public announcement is key to the whole extortion scheme. Trump didn't just want Zilenski to quietly reopen the investigation into Barack Obama into find. Find out if there was anything there. And if there was than may be prosecuted he wanted Zielinski to make a show out of it. He wanted a press conference. He wanted the public the American public to know there is an investigation that could potentially implicate abidance this was a public. Pr Stunt if this sounds familiar. Millier it should. It follows the same pattern that trump had pushed with Clinton emails with the scandal over uranium one with Devin nunes claiming there was a whistle blower jumping out of Avenue Bor with trump claiming. His wires were tapped. They were constantly looking for other scandals that they could put on their political opponents in. It's clear that Dolinsky understood understood what was happening a few days later Taylor indicated to Sunlen and Volker that Dolinsky was worried about being seen as a pawn in domestic. US politics saying quote Lewinsky's sensitive about Ukraine being taken seriously not merely as an instrument in Washington domestic reelection politics. This text from Taylor is critical. It confirms that Zielinski Understood Investigating Biden was a matter of domestic. US politics about about manufacturing damaging news about trump's opponent in not actually about corruption in Ukraine in other words Zielinski understood he was being extorted on on July twenty fifth before trump's call was Alinsky. Volker Texted Alinsky aid saying quote heard from White House. Assuming President Zee convinces trump. You will investigate slash get to the bottom of what happened in two thousand sixteen. We will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck saying that agreeing to investigate. Trump's conspiracy peercy theories about Ukraine. This text message spells it all out. It says that agreeing to investigate. Trump's conspiracy theories about Ukraine is a precondition for trump meeting Alinsky and that the fact that one was needed to get the other came straight from the White House in just a little little while later that day trump calls Alinsky after the call. All Hell broke loose. The whistleblower complaint that was sparked after the call highlights. How pretty much everyone listening in heard the call and thought to themselves that sounds like an abuse of power that sounds corrupt? The complaint says the call quote deeply disturbed served White House officials in. It explains how White House lawyers scrambled to figure out how to deal with the likelihood that they had witnessed the president of the United States states abuse. His Office for personal gain and quote. It also goes through the details of how immediately after the call ended. The White House scrambled to cover for it. Up In a section of the complaint literally titled Quote Efforts to Restrict Access to records related to the call the whistleblower breaks down for us. How how the White House tried to lock down records of the call and how White House lawyers directed officials to put the transcript in classified network? That is the most tightly controlled control of four different networks that the National Security Council staff uses it so secretive that even top White House national security. Aides don't have regular access. The system can only be accessed by individuals who have quote code word access to specific programs that the intelligence is related to according to the whistleblower quote one White House official described this act as an abuse of this electric system because the call did not contain anything remotely Lee sensitive from a national security perspective. That's right it didn't have anything sensitive for national security just sensitive for trump politically. It's really important. For the American. The people to understand that the rules of classification and the systems to protect that classification serve only to protect national security interests of the United States. They are not there to protect the president from embarrassing information politically embarrassing information and certainly they are not there to protect criminal wrongdoing so the way this call was handled to me he was raising a ton of alarm bells. First of all these calls are normally classified. It's at levels. No more than secret I think is really most what most foreign foreign calls are are classified ads and certainly not at the code word. Top secret level which is a system and level of classification for our most most secret intelligence Elgin's programs so it tells me that there's some it was clear that the National Security Council or the National Security Adviser. Maybe the White House lawyers decided that this calls content and was sensitive enough that they didn't want to get out that they tried to bury it On the separate server and just to put a finer point on how bonkers this is the reason to have a presidential presidential call with another president of a foreign country is because foreign policy is set on that call. We'll who needs to know what. US foreign policy is. I don't know how about the people implementing US foreign policy. That would be the people in the State Department. The people that work on Ukraine policy the ambassador in Ukraine. But when you put a call with a foreign leader on a secret code word classified computer system in which they don't have access guess what you're not setting. US foreign policy so any claims that trump was just concerned about corruption in. This was a perfect call. Well then why aren't you distributing it to the people that are supposed to express your concerns to the foreign leader. You're what this demonstrates is. The call was not perfect. The call revealed a crime and the White House then sought to cover it up. We ten Colonel Alexander Vitamin the Ukraine director was one person who heard the call and he went immediately to White House. Lawyer John Eisenberg. That's the same lawyer that Fiona Hill went to on instruction from John Bolton after that Sunlen meeting Vin Min expressed his concerns to Eisenberg in Eisenberg's response was basically. Don't tell oh anyone about it. Vin Man has also told the house impeachment inquiry that the transcript released by the White House was incomplete according to the New York. Times Vincent Vincent told congressional investigators that the White House transcript quote omitted crucial words and phrases and that his attempts to include them failed and quote these words and phrases contain things like according to Ven- trump talking about there being tapes of Biden in other words the actual transcript of of the call that we have seen is not fully complete it may have been scrubbed certain damaging things may have been left out. Hence there's these weird ellipses throughout the call. Nevertheless the Ukrainians heard the call and they heard trump loud and clear they were getting the message in. We're intimating they. Were going to play ball but before were they played ball. They wanted to lock down the meeting. I 's Alinsky aid texted volker quote phone call went well and then tossed out some possible dates for the meeting after all on the call it essentially agreed to do the investigations in Zilenski was amenable to meeting with bar. Giuliani just a few days later. Giuliani went to Madrid to meet with Dolinsky aid where he hammered the message home. Investigate the Biden's in ambassador Taylor's public testimony the money before Congress. A new bombshell was also revealed. The day after the call on July twenty six sunlen called trump and told them about his meetings meetings with a top Ukrainian aid following that meeting in the presence of my staff at a restaurant. Besser solid called president trump and told him of his meetings in cave. The member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador. Sunland about the investigations toll. President President trump the Ukrainians were ready to move forward following the call with President trump. That member of my staff ambassador SOM- than what president trump thought about Ukraine. That's the song responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden which Giuliani was pressing. Hi and welcome to the program. My Name's Kerry odor mid on July twenty fifth. President trump called his colleague below two Mirrors Alinsky and congratulated needed him on a parliamentary landslide. Lewinsky's party serving. The people is the first party in post independence Ukraine to have an absolute majority. Here's discussed that today with me is. US Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sunlen. He's going to talk with me about his. How often he visits Kief what he likes to do here? Here in who we spoke with today. Thank you so much for joining us. Kerry how are you. I'm GonNa Thank you tell me about how your day was Well had a great lunch with my team but before that I had a wonderful hour long meeting with presidents Lansky that followed on the heels of his telephone call yesterday with President President Trump. Did he give you insight. And what they spoke about absolutely I actually spoke with President Trump. Just a few minutes before he placed the call and Not Not only. Did the president called to congratulate Presidents Alinsky but also to begin the collaboration of charting the pathway forward with the support of Ukraine and and a White House visit. That's upcoming four presidents Alinsky. That's great news because we're all curious about this. There hasn't been a date set for this sometime in late summer. One Important Porton thing to remember through this whole story is that it was happening while there was already an investigation ongoing into trump for colluding with a foreign government to to steal an election. Special Counsel Robert Moore Literally testified to Congress the day before trump's call was Alinsky in that testimony. He gave a warning election. Interference was going to happen again. Many more countries are developing capability to replicate. What the Russians have done? Is this in your investigation investigation that you think that this was a single attempt by the Russians to get involved in our election. We do find evidence to suggest they'll try to do this again. Why not a single attempt? They're doing as as we sit here and they expected during the next campaign. The House of Representatives were holding hearings on the Molar Report on the more or investigation and on August eighth. Jerry Nadler the chairman of the House. Judiciary Committee clarified that. What they were doing was effectively and impeachment investigation investigation? This is formal impeachment proceedings. We are investigating all the evidence gathering the evidence and we will at the conclusion of this Hopefully by the end of the year vote to vote articles of impeachment to the House floor or we won't that's a decision that will have to make but that that's exactly the process we're in right now and so on August ninth. The day after Nadler described investigation as formal impeachment proceedings. sunlen texted Volker about Tim. Morrison who had recently replaced Fiona Hill as the top White House official on Russia. Someone told Volker that Morrison was quote ready to get dates. As soon as you're Matt Confirms Voelker seemed surprised at this and wanted to know how sunland convinced Morrison to jump on board with their scheming. Sawn when replied quote not sure I I did I think is really wants the deliverable this raises questions about what trump said to Bolton or morrison about wanting to get a meeting with Zielinski on the books and let me just say something quickly about Tim Morrison. He is a bold acolyte he is a Russia Hawk and hates all things nuclear arms control in when he was the Republican congressional staffer on the hill he was a huge pain in the butt for the Obama Administration and so we have a Russia Hawk working for a Russian asset. This is why the White House foreign policy is so dysfunctional in so there was his awkward dance of who would go first. There was a standoff. No one wanted to be the first mover over. What this shows is that there was a total lack of trust between Dolinsky people in trump's people? No one trusted each other to go first. Silane said that to quote avoid misunderstandings and quote. They should ask Ukraine for a draft of their statement to review. In a later call between Volker Sunland and Guiliani Guiliani made made it clear that the statement needed to specifically name Barack Obama so zilinskiene Ukrainians. It was pretty clear what was going on. Make a public statement saying you're investigating getting Brisman Joe Biden and you'll get your meeting with trump. We don't need to speculate about this your Mac. This alinsky aid texted Volker to confirm. That's what the trump team unwanted saying quote. I think it's possible to make this declaration in mentioned all these things which we discussed yesterday but it will be logic to do after we. We received confirmation of date inform about data visit and about our expectations and our guarantees for future visit. Let's discuss it. He essentially saying we can do this. But give us the date. I confirm it and then we'll do it. Volcker said quote. I agree with your approach. Let's turn out statement and use that to get date and then presidents presidents Alinsky can go forward with it. And your Mac replied quote once we have a date will call press briefing announcing upcoming visit and outlining wining vision for the reboot of US Ukraine relationship including among other things Barack Obama an election. Meddling in investigations later tax between between Volker and Sunlen even show the two men basically writing out a draft of what they wanted Alinsky to say including investigations into Barack Obama and the two thousand sixteen. Eighteen election's this is straight up extortion. They're telling Zielinski they're telling Ukraine investigate our political opponents. And we'll give you what you want on a White House meeting getting to the final handoff to completing the drug dealers John Bolton called it investigations for meeting proved to be a little more difficult than the men anticipated as with any criminal deal. Neither side wanted to go. I Listen Jackie does this do lose them like you lost your job. Give him the disk. ICU But I don't see to worry about an. We gotTA worry about now. Tell you some Jimmy says reunion if I don't see about five seconds I'm walking in. The trump team was looking for a way to force Ukraine's hand and they had a way remember when they held Ukraine security. Assistance will on August twenty eighth politico politico published an article citing senior administration official announcing that the trump administration was withholding two hundred fifty million dollars in military aid due to Ukraine. They made it official in politico Ukraine. Knew that they were now at risk of losing two hundred fifty million dollars in military aid aid. We now know that the decision had been brewing for a long time. The New York Times got its hands on documents showing that the Pentagon told top Ukrainian officials in early August that the White House had decided to withhold aid and that if they wanted to know what was going on they should reach out to Mick Mulvaney president trump's chief of staff so the Ukrainians crain's new. What was happening in August and so they were willing to do the statement? They were willing to go along but they wanted assurances from the White House that they would get their meaning that the aid would be released given that context. The political article looks like it was just another way of connecting the dots. This wasn't just about a meeting with trump and some sham investigations allegations Ukraine's military aid was really at risk in Ukraine panicked. Your maximum skis aid. Texted Volker quote need to talk with you. In pasted the article link into a text and Volker played it cool. Hi Andre absolutely when is good for you. Trump had been due to meet with Zielinski in Warsaw Salk Poland on September first but he had canceled that visit because of Hurricane Dorian least. According to reports in so vice president pence went instead prior to the meeting ambassador Taylor had cabled to Mike Pompeo and the rest of the State Department expressing his concerns about how the Ukrainians were being treated in about the whole on the security assistance. At the Dolinsky pence meeting Zielinski immediately brought up security cooperation vice. President Pence didn't respond substantively. Typically what he said was that he would talk to president trump but he wanted the Europeans to do more and he wanted to Ukraine's to do more to fight corruption if this was too vague for the Ukrainians which it probably wasn't Sawn Lynn. was there to make it clear. He'd another backchannel meeting. Also in Warsaw were he told the senior aide to Zilenski that they would only get the aid if they announced investigation into Barack Obama the link between US security assistance and and investigating. The Biden's was now made clear in his vice president pence who was helping to deliver this message. And let's be clear about this. US security charity assistance. The four hundred million dollars is our money. It's taxpayer dollars. It's what you and I and everyone else. WHO's listening to this podcast? It pays taxes that goes to the US government that the American people have committed to you. This is clear extortion. And it's pence at this meeting. That's driving it home. TWOS Alinsky direct from the White House. Ambassador Taylor was clearly very disturbed by all of this and he sent ambassadors Sunlen. A text message asking quote. We are now saying that security assistance in a White House meeting are conditioned on investigations. Ambassador Sunlen responded ended asking Taylor to call him which he did and someone told Taylor that president trump had told them he wants Linski to state publicly that Ukraine investigate charisma and alleged. Ukrainian interference in the twenty sixteen election. Sunland told Taylor that president trump wanted Zielinski exc quote in a public box in other words. He wanted to Linski to come forward publicly. So then. Zielinski couldn't backtrack. He needed Zielinski to make that commitment in needed public. If there's any doubt that pence knew it was going on what's remember. One of his close. Aides was listening in in on the July twenty fifth call. Pence would have been briefed extensively before his meeting was Dolinsky. He knew what investigations meant but the three Amigos were still at texting back and forth in early September on September. Seventh Taylor had a conversation with Tim Morrison at the White House in which Morrison described to tailor that he had a quote. Oh sinking feeling on September ninth Taylor decides to spell it out overtaxed. He wrote to Volker and sunland quote. I think it's crazy you to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign ambassador Taylor and you're decades of military service and diplomatic service representing the United States around the world. Have you ever seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the president of the United. It states no Michigan not not nearly five hours later and after calling trump to consult with him sunlen response effort offered to clean up the record quote. The president has been crystal clear. No quid pro. Quos of any kind and quote. He then said quote. If you still have concerns turns. I recommend you give us a call to discuss them. Directly S is State Department. Speak for Mike. POMPEO secretary of State Sawn win is telling Taylor if he's got a problem with what's going on talk to the Secretary of State so Mike Pompeo also knows what's going on and another point is simply saying you're not committing a crime doesn't make it so and what you see is trump in multiple occasions telling White House officials telling Assan land that he's not asking for a quid pro quo and then the next line out of his mouth or the next thing. That's implied is well. Ukraine has to do this thing in order for me to provide them what they want. I Want I e a quid pro quo. Trump is just saying he's not doing the thing that he's actually doing but trump is three amigos. Were starting to have a problem. People were talking. It was starting to come to light what they were actually doing. On September Fifth The Washington Post editorial board took the unusual step type of breaking news in an editorial about trump's decision to withhold aid to Ukraine. It wrote quote some suspect. Mr Trump is once again catering to Mr Putin who is dedicated to undermining Ukrainian democracy and independence but were reliably told. The president has a second in more venal agenda. He is attempting to force Mr Zielinski to intervene in the twenty twenty. US presidential election by launching an investigation of the leading democratic credit candidate. Joe Biden Mr Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine's help with his presidential campaign he's using US military aid the country desperately expertly needs in an attempt to extort it whoever told The Washington Post this was right and helped her for the public and what would become this enormous scandal. Taylor meanwhile was putting this all together. He Texted Volker on September. Eighth writing quote the nightmare. Is They give the interview in. Don't don't get the security assistance. The Russians love it and then in parentheses he says and I quit Taylor's threatening to resign. He's threatening to quit and saying what. The trump administration is doing is beneficial to Russia bad for Ukraine. And he's not going to stand for the New York Times reported that a public announcement was set to be made on my CNN program. So I think viewers my best understanding of what actually happened as we now know for months trump White House has had been mounting an intense campaign to force him to publicly announce those investigations. He had tried to resist and put them off in various ways but ultimately partly decided he would have to give in according to the Times. His team apparently concluded that since he was planning an interview with me anyway that would be the form in which he he would make the announcement. Just imagine alinskyites dilemma. By the time I met with him in Kid he knew the aide had been released but the back story had not yet broken into public look view Ukrainian officials. I spoke to about the release of the eight at the time were delighted but a little surprised and unsure as to what had happened so let's ski and his team. Were probably still trying to figure out whether they should still do the interview. A few days later on September eighteenth and nineteenth the Washington Post broke doc. The story wide open the interview was called off it. Meanwhile another brave individual within the White House the whistle blower a national security staffer offer had filed their official complaint on August twelfth. Almost a month earlier this morning. We're learning a phone call. Between President Trump and another world leader prompted a whistleblower complaint at the center of a growing scandal in Washington president trump's communications with a foreign leader concerning enough to prompt a whistleblower complaint complaint that's according to The Washington Post President trump now defiant and dismissive of that explosive whistleblower complaint against him to ridiculous. It's a partisan whistle blow. It shouldn't even have information. According to The New York Times in the process. They also brought their concerns to an aide on the house. Intel committee eighty. Who told them to get a lawyer? File complaint through September a behind the scenes battle had been going on to release the complaint to the House Intelligence Committee the as is required with shift going against the acting director of National Intelligence demanding that the complaint get released but the White House was sitting on the complaint. The Department of Justice Bill Bars Department of Justice was not allowing for it to be released and so we had a standoff and then as attention was growing laying over the whistleblower complaint over this dispute without a lot of clarity about what it was about and then as attention was growing after the Washington posted already reported on the hold of review a security assistance in the reasons for it and as there was this growing fight between Congress in the White House over the release of this whistleblower complaint trump then decides to just released. Hold nothing to see here folks totally normal. Just the crane. Security Systems is flying out the door. Nothing to do with anything. Just two days later on September thirteenth shift had had enough and subpoenaed the acting director of National Intelligence demanding that the whistleblower complaint beaver least to the House Intelligence Committee pretty soon. News starting to trickle out out about the complaint I we learned it had to do with a conversation between trump and a foreign leader sometime that summer that helped narrow it down so Linski was on the list but so where Putin Kim Jong Hoon in leaders from Pakistan the Netherlands and cut our next we learned. It was about more than just one phone call. The complaint was about a pattern pattern of behavior leading up to a promise between trump and the foreign leader. A promise the whistle blower found so troubling that they felt they had no choice is but to file a complaint. It wasn't until September nineteenth that we learned that the complaint was about Ukraine. The pieces started to fall into place as the Washington. The Post had reported two weeks earlier. Trump had withheld aid from Ukraine demanding. That Zilenski publicly announced investigation into his election. Opponents trump was abusing the power of his office to extort a foreign government into interfering in the twenty twenty presidential election and then later that night on September nineteenth eighteenth rudy just admitted to it now yester- Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of twenty sixteen by the Ukrainians for for the benefit of Hillary Clinton for which they were already a never ending anything about Hunter Biden. You never ask anything about Joe thing I asked about. Joe Biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that Lukashenko who was appointed dismissed the case against anti you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden. Of course I did. You just said you didn't a month earlier House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler announced the House Judiciary Committee was gonNA open impeachment proceedings but it was unclear. How much of the Democratic Caucus was behind signed him? A lot of people just wanted to move on forget about the Russian investigation and there was one person in particular who seemed particularly uncertain. The speaker of the House Nancy Antsy Pelosi who had long been opposed to moving forward on impeachment on September. Twenty fourth after resisting. Moving toward impeachment policy made it official announcing announcing the House of Representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. I'm directing are six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry. The president must be held accountable. No one is above the law. There was now no turning back. Trump had allegedly extorted. You did a foreign meter for a personal political gain so the house was moving to impeach him and Republicans are going to have to take a vote. Do they condone what the president did or do they condemn damn it and the next day trump did the unthinkable. He confessed was largely congratulatory. was largely corrupting. All of the corruption. flickinger play was largely the fact that we don't want our people like Vice President Biden and his son creating already next week on the asset. We wrap up the series and tell you how this whole impeachment process ends. We look into the future and Well no we can't actually look into the future feature so what we're GONNA do kick the CAN. Okay here's what we have planned next week. We will do a special episode reviewing the last two weeks of the impeachment hearings this this will be available to all our listeners. It will prepare you for the mental combat. That is Thanksgiving dinner. While you're enjoying your Turkey and car ballooning onsides with Yellowish Tint. We will be hard at work working over Thanksgiving just kidding mom to deliver our long promised and somewhat delayed special episode that will follow the trail of dead Russians. Yes it's coming. 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The Backstory

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

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The Backstory

"Some of you on this committee appear to believe Russia and its security services did not conduct campaign against our country and that perhaps Somehow for some reason you credit. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by Russian security services themselves. And there's a story about impeachment that goes like this. Democrats moved to impeach Donald Trump two months ago because unlike the Russia scandal the Ukraine scandal is simple easy for the public to understand if you've heard that story before you may have heard this one that actually there are no distinct Russia and Ukraine scandals. There's just one scandal through two weeks of impeachment hearings. We learned a lot about the Ukraine backstory. The hoops president trump and his subordinates jumped through before he hopped on the phone with his Ukrainian counterpart Vladimir Zelinski. And said. I would like you to do us a favor though but what the hearings left fairly murky is how and when trump came to view the allied government of Ukraine as a target for and partner in corruption. It's not as though trump had a normal relationship with Ukraine before he became nervous about the twenty twenty election and then pick Zelinski is name out of a hat to understand how we got here. We have to go back to the beginning long before Donald Trump became president. You were reportedly the closest political geyser American Political Adviser to victory on a coach of Ukraine. Frayne who is a close ally Vladimir Putin Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing being. There's been some controversy about something in the Republican Party Platform. That essentially changed. The Republican Party's views when it comes to I Ukraine. How much influence did you have on changing that language? Sir I had none in fact I didn't even hear of it until after I convention was over. Where did it come from then because everybody on the platform committee had said it came from the trump campaign if not you and frankly that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama the people of Crimea me up from what I've heard would rather be with Russia than where they were? Let's talk about this new reporting from the New York Times this morning about Paul Manafort and his dealings in The Ukraine with Viktor Yanukovych. He was a consultant for Victor Yanukovych and apparently the times and investigators have gone back and found these handwritten ledgers breaking news. Here more changes at the very top of the trump campaign. I'm told that this morning. His Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort offered and Donald Trump accepted his resignation. Paul Manafort joined the trump campaign in March of twenty sixteen around the time. The campaign came came to learn that Russia intended to leak dirt had stolen from Democrats at the time. Manafort was deeply in debt to a modeling Russian billionaire named Oleg Der Pasta and yet he agreed to work for trump pro bono. By that point trump had already made a big bazaar showing his admiration for Vladimir Putin but Manafort's unexpected arrival on the scene brought someone who had been at the center of the struggle between Russia and the West over the future of Ukraine into the heart of the trump operation seven and he was firmly on Russia's side between trump's deference to Putin and Manafort's lasting influence trump's relationship with Ukraine crane has never really been on the level last year. The Ukrainian government froze all of its ongoing investigations of manafort including its cooperation. With special counsel. Counsel Robert Muller in an Echo of the current extortion scandal Ukraine took that action just as the US finalized the sale of Javelin missiles to strengthen Ukraine's hand in. It's hot war with Russia. The country's president time was pets report. SHANECO who was once a client of you guessed it Paul Manafort and pour a Shaneco who's going to manufacture dirt on trump's political enemies until he unexpectedly lost the presidency to an anti corruption. Political reformer named Vladimir's Alinsky Alinsky or consider the Russian conspiracy theories that Rudy Giuliani pedaled on trump's behalf about the Biden's and Ukrainian interference in the two thousand sixteen election election. The became the subject of the trump Zielinski call on July twenty fifth. Giuliani pluck those from Russian aligned. Ukrainian oligarch named Dmitri for Tush. who was once business partners with again Paul Manafort and where did for Tosh get those conspiracy theories we'll probably from any number of places but the vector who imported that disinformation into the United States needs no introduction metaphors former or deputy Rick Gates has testified that manafort began pushing it starting before the twenty sixteen election? So this question. Why did trump takes such a predatory Oy posture with the new government of Ukraine? The short answer is simple. He wanted to cheat in the election but why pick on Ukraine in the first place that is part of a much longer story. My guest. This week is frank four. He's written extensively about Manafort and Ukraine in the Atlantic Manic. We'll look back at the origins of the Ukraine scandal and how they disappear into a larger story of corruption Russian election interference and the two thousand sixteen election. I'm Brian Butler. And this is Rubicon. frank thanks for being here pleasure So for a while. Now I've thought that the best way to kind of place. The Ukraine scandal in the wider constellation of trump's corruption is to just try to answer the question. How did the Ukraine scandal start? Because when I tried to pinpoint an origin I realized that the DOTS actually extend way into the past and it didn't just begin at random in May of this year when trump I had a freak out about about his standing in the election and having to run against Joe Biden. So how is he as you understand it. Did the Ukraine scandals start so I go back to this core question that critics have always asked about Donald Trump which is is this guy vulnerable to foreign manipulation and and people ask that question because of the wide array of properties that he owned around the world and the way that his business interests were tangled up in places where you authoritarian governments who just weren't abiding by the same sorts standards that that we abide by it. So I think you kind of have to go go back and look at the long history of people from the former Soviet Union trying to manipulate trump in various area sorts of ways and some of the relation is is willing and trump is fully aware of. What's happened a lot of it is subconscious and I think when you have oligarchs from Russia or Ukraine they look at trump and they say oh? This guy is a totally familiar figure. We understand how his mind works. We understand how he can be. He can be influenced and so people were using various channels to try to to sway way Donald Trump. And you know I think the first time. We really started to acutely conceptualize what was happening. I think is with the Manafort Fort Scandal where you said. This guy came from came from Ukraine. He was working for the Pro Russian party. Why was he why did he descended on the trump campaign? But I look all the way through and I see I see you have oligarchs In Ukraine rain who have constantly been trying to figure out. What's the right channel? Is it the campaign chairman. Is it the personal lawyer They're hiring Fox. News commentators as their lawyers are getting columns placed in the hill by by columnist who they can pretty well be sure is going going to end up in Donald Trump's twitter feed and so there's also the sense of they know exactly how to rile him up. It's a look at that Ukraine scandal. You know the the the narrow question that shift is focus on is. was there a quid pro quo. Was He trying to extort Ukrainians wins in order to get dirt on his political opponent. But I look at it and I say if I look at the transcripts now look at the whole narrative of the scandal. I'd say the president was very actively in successfully manipulated by bad actors in this part of the world who who were very very successful in shifting the foreign policy of the United States to suit their aims. I'm glad you put it that way because you listeners. who heard the INTRO Will suspect that I think Paul Manafort is a big part of the origin story of the of Ukraine scandal. And I definitely believe that but there are these episodes is it. Don't quite fit the picture right like after After trump's been elected and MANAFORT's no longer in the in the middle of trump world. There's there's this story about this Ukraine peace plan right that that makes its way to Mike. Flynn who was then the national security adviser but it doesn't come from manafort directly comes uh-huh maybe not for Manafort at all. It comes from Michael Cohen and and Felix Seder. who were You know in league with the same same sort of shady people that you just described but on a sort of a different channel and even I wonder you know and I'm pretty pretty thick and all this like how critical critical Manafort is to the story. Because if you imagined he'd like never worked for trump Trump was still very much in Russia's debt When the election and ended He was singing Putin's praises long before Manafort joined the campaign. He was working on the Moscow. Tower project independently Manafort and and. It seems conceivable to me that we were always going to end up here. Because Russia help trump win and Russia's leverage over trump and so trump was going to side with the store corrupt factions actions in Ukraine rather than the pro-western reformers. No matter what I think. That's I think this would happen absent. Paul Manafort because you you have a lot of people in so I think that the the actually the crucial thing is the development of the relationship between Ukraine in the United States. It's and I'm just GONNA. I think this is a foreign policy story in addition to being a corruption story which is that Russia is a revolution in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. The PRO Russian government. The Paul Manafort works for gets swept out of power they get replaced by By by a more liberal democratic regime albeit still oligarch kick and the United States starts spending a lot of money protecting Ukraine and that gives us leverage over Ukraine. So you have somebody. He like Ambassador Marie Ivanovich who's in Ukraine. All American ambassadors always wanted Ukraine to behave in a less corrupt sort of way they've always wanted presidents to challenge Ukraine's oligarchy system. But finally we had all this leverage over the government and the government starts taking actions to clean clean itself up and so you got a lot of oligarchs who were suddenly very much on the defensive. Paul Manafort's clients were on the defensive. You've Rudy Giuliani's kind of new clients and the people that he collaborated with in this extortion scheme were suddenly on the defensive and and so they needed to find a way to undermine the US embassy in Kiev and so they see that Donald Trump was a guy who they could manipulate into doing their bidding. They're and they're the way that they were able to entice. Donald trump to their side was to feed him a lot of bogus. This conspiracy theories that he bought into because they were They all adopted the kind of the memes of Donald Trump. They there were arguments about the deep state. They were arguments about how he was. His opponents. Were manipulating things that were arguments about. How Ukraine was the one manipulating the election? Not Russia and so they knew how they knew how to to to to to go him they knew his psyche. And I think it's these guys who were on the crop guys who were on the defensive saw in Donald Trump hope for salvation. The you so you mentioned Marie Ivanovich and I and there was a lot of The hearing with her she kept dangling this question. Why why did they have to smear me? Why did they have to run the smear campaign? Why did trump have to participate in it? That Adam Schiff did a decent job near the end the hearing at kind of tying it all together but you know if you if you strip away the kind of conspiracy theories and the cloak and dagger nonsense you you have this story that these people that you're talking about in Ukraine were proposing in a basic bargain like the worst people in Ukraine could keep looting their own country. Yes with the blessing of the president yet and in exchange they'd AIDS subvert the two thousand election for him But also give his cronies business deals right And it's a a little unclear to me. How winning trump was about that transactional situation that he was in when he was smearing? Yovani bitch rich. When he was sort of trying to consummate the quid pro quo through the middle? Part of this year So hope you could speak to that but I also wonder to what extent Russia sure was invested in the shakedown. Because of those deals that were sort of at stake right leg like if if these reformist faction in Ukraine Gains sustained power. It hurts Russians financial interests because of the deals. They lose the the the looting they would be able to do. Well you know I I think the step back and think about Russian interests this way. It's Russia invaded eight when Russia invades Ukraine The gain a huge chunk of territory but they also lose by occupying that part of it. They also lose a lot if they're leverage over the Ukrainian system. I'm in for one you had you had very pro. Russian parties that Struggled after the invasion to to make a case to other parts to the western part of Ukraine and also just you know a lot of their voters were now in occupied territories. Tories were they weren't able to vote. And so they they go off the lost political power in Ukraine. And they've been kind of fighting for figuring out how to exercise exercise control over the country when they didn't have a political faction that was sitting in the presidency or sitting near the center of power. And and so I think a lot of what they've done is try to find ways to undermine Ukrainian democracy to undermine pushes to make the country less corrupt and so they had a strong interest in opposing in and getting rid of Marie. Uganda Vich as well. Because they don't want the country to take the status that she was pushing for and a lot of what she was pushing for actions. That would damage a lot of key Kremlin allies within Ukraine when she goes after A lot of these oligarchs she's going after people who were handmaidens of the Kremlin to begin with so I say let's never lose track of the underlying geopolitics of Ukraine. Because that's there in the scandal as well how witting was trump about that aspect of it because obviously he wanted help in the election and he thinks about all of this stuff mainly in terms of trees yet. But there's a lot of money at stake steak too. You know. There's money that that I don't so this is a great question. Something that's intrigued me. which is you have rudy? Giuliani's guys going to Kiev. The original Giuliani himself in. And you know messing around in Ukraine for a long period of time. And you've Rick Perry's people in Ukraine messing around trying to get various energy deals and who was ultimately trying to get rich off of those energy deals whose interest I did those actually serve. I think Gordon Sunlen talked about in. This comes up in the hearings and other places that this this Ukrainian natural State Ukrainian State Natural Gas Company. Nafta gas was something that I think Sandra and said was mentioned almost every meeting with the president and that was something that jumped out at me because Nafta gas while extremely important for Ukraine in the energy politics of Ukraine are extremely important for western Europe and for our sense of of of how of security for for that part love the world. It's not really something that you would expect. Donald Trump to be tracking or discussing. And you know at the core of which we on these guys this one of the things that Giuliani's guys were doing when they were in Ukraine was trying to fire the reformist. who taken over the State Natural Gas Gas Company and turned it into a transparent non-corrupt entity they were trying to transform the supervisory board? That was keeping that natural gas company. Buzney non-corrupt so why why were Giuliani's men trying to destroy this incredible accomplishment of US foreign policy policy. Because we were the ones who made that we pushed really hard to make Nafta gas non-corrupt. Why were they trying to undermine that who was trying to get rich off of that and how how much was donald trump aware of that? I have no idea But but like I said the fact that it was discussed so often. It's something that triggers my spidey sense. I mean I would I would even by like trump must have known the some shady side dealings because like why else was rudy working for him. Mm for free right. Well the the fact that there was some you know there were other people like wedding. Their beaks around this question of helping been trump win reelection Might just be it like. He doesn't take any any particular interest in any specific Ukrainian firm or or or by uh-huh but I guess one parallel one thing I keep thinking about is is to go back to Paul Manafort's Paul Manafort Lake Rudy. Giuliani works for the president for free. It was Paul Manafort's game plan. He wanted to become the most powerful man in Washington. who wasn't working for the administration who could leverage the sense of proximity to power in order to enrich himself in order to get deals done? And I think Giuliani. He's kind of criminal justice version of that. He's working for free. He's leveraging his proximity with trump to get all sorts of dubious clients around the world. Sometimes he goes into the Justice Department and pleads their case if they're if they're in trouble You know sometimes people just want. There's kind of a sense of of of cleanliness that comes with being associated with Rudy Giuliani. But it it's he's he's basically succeeded. Were Paul Manafort dreamed of succeeding. Well for now for now. He's got he's got some legal trouble just like Paul manafort ended. Yeah we we we have. We have absolutely no idea how much money Rudy Giuliani. His made off of the trump presidency. We really don't have a very comprehensive sense of his client list and therefore we have only a limited knowledge about the damage that Giuliani has done this past couple of years my suspicion and all this has been that if Joe Biden decided not to run we wouldn't have an impeachment Ukraine scandal would actually end up looking looking quite similar to what it does right now because you have this story that needed to in the intro about about When Robert Muller was still doing investigation the Ukrainian government like shelve its investigations of Manafort totally And and that decision seems to have been the outgrowth of up another shakedown or possibly right like they were it happened contemporaneous to the sale of these javelin missiles. Yep that trump kind of used as a lever over Dolinsky so that happened right. Yeah and that was before Biden ran and then even on the call with Zilenski. Trump's top objective was this insane crowd strike conspiracy theory where Ukraine framed Russia. For interfering in in two thousand sixteen I could actually see world in which basically everything that's happened happened minus the Biden part and because because there's no direct nexus to Democratic Party politics and no you know why trump chasing this dumb conspiracy theory. The Democrats remain reluctant to impeachment about it. But it's still the same. Corruption is still the same scandal is still you know. interference in the twenty twenty election. And yet were were in the dark about a lot of it. Yeah I totally totally by that and I also been what is why did Rudy Giuliani's I start poking around in Kiev. It's because he he's trying he he was he designed himself. The job of writing the rebuttal to the mall report. He was looking data points. And now I think it's kind out of telling that Giuliani is kind of is lazy. Or there's something you know people speculate about other things about the guy but the you know obviously that that that that counter narrative never emerged I guess more somewhat left him put gave him an out for not having to produce that document but it was. He was going the Ukraine to try to find information that would essentially exonerate. Paul Manafort That he was looking to prove that the Black Ledger. which initially contained the the evidence that Manafort's work in Ukraine was truly truly truly shady that that was a fabrication? Now that's that's a It's a wild conspiracy theory that he was he was pursuing. There's all sorts of evidence at the ledger is indeed authentic. And even even if we had questions about authenticity we know that Manafort in the in the indictments against Manafort we can see that he was getting off the books money that was going through Cypress. And it's you know there's there's not even a question about the shadiness in the money laundering. That Paul Manafort was engaged in. But but that's what that's what Rudy Giuliani was initially after and people could affect him anything during that period and he would have taken it. I mean Manafort was in in two thousand sixteen when the first reporting about Russia being behind the DNC hack was published. He was already peddling right the the view that Ukraine actually hacked these emails. And you could. I mean who knows how it is like. It could have fricken prison cell conversation station for all. I know that like the specific line about crowd strike and Ukraine framing. Russia could have just been like a straight manafort to Giuliani thing in some weird way like manafort. You Know Giuliani off on this on this mission that ended up landing trump impeachment Because it ended up intersecting with Joe Biden some somewhere down the line But I understand why that you know exonerating reading Manafort is important to Manafort and why it in the days was important to rudy. Giuliani as as a You know a means of creating counter narrative about trump's involvement in Russian interference in two thousand sixteen Why do you think trump today care so much about the creating? A Ukraine actually interfered in two thousand sixteen counter narrative Like to what extent is it. His vanity about people reason questions about his legitimacy and to what extent is at the Russia. Wants this disinformation out. There to hurt hurt the US and undermined Ukraine independence. And he's just kind of he has to do what the Kremlin wants to do in that regard. Yeah I think it's I. I think it's both of those things and a third which is that It's just the way that he nurtures a grudge that it's it's so it's so juvenile finial and and pathological that you know once you once you decide that somebody is a bad person you just a Ah that becomes the lens through which he sees everything. And he's not able to escape it. And I just keep thinking back to conversations that he has with Gordon Sunland and where he says. It's a country filled with terrible people. And you know it's telling because it's the way in which he takes this one little narrative where where there's a guy is like an ambassador op Ed. In the hill that some wounds his vanity and he managed to spin it into a bigoted in case against an entire country. And it's it's it's a sickness that he goes from the particular to the universal in the way that he does and the ease with which he decides that he'll make these massive decisions about how to direct American four Policier who engage in a adum Dump Scheme that that a lot of grows out of just animosity positi for an entire people. All right I've got to leave it. There frank four. Thanks for joining us. Pleasure that's it for this week but in the spirit of thanksgiving. Here's some food for thought DOC. On Friday the State Department released documents in response to court order the connect secretary of State Mike Pompeo to the smear campaign against ousted Ukraine crane ambassador. Marie Ivanovich. Those documents were only part of an initial production and documents. PURSUANT TO OTHER SIMILAR FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT requests should be released in the coming weeks as well also the House intelligence committee has secured videos and images from Parnasse a former Giuliani associated. 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Ep. 100 - The case for impeachment

The Breakdown with Shaun King

34:26 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 100 - The case for impeachment

"I am very very proud to announce that this is the one hundred episode of the breakdown and I am so proud and excited for all of you who have chipped in on our action steps. Who've supported this podcast. Who've subscribed left your great great reviews. We now have over eleven thousand five star reviews and on this very very special one hundred episode. I'm dedicating all of it to the impeachment of Donald Trump. I'm not only co-signing his impeachment. I'll double down and explain why I think it's necessary. I'll explain how I think. It's possible and I'm going to say what I think. The blowback is going to be because we're already starting to see it as Donald Trump against to tweet Abou- civil war that might follow let me unpack and explain it. This is Shaun King and you're listening to the the breakdown breakdown breakdown so the point I'm trying to make is you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job. In in this constitutional republic. This body determines that your conduct is a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office. I don't think that I could say anything better than what Lindsey Z. Graham conservative Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said all the way back in nineteen ninety nine during the impeachment impeachment hearings for then President Bill Clinton as you may recall Clinton was being investigated for something altogether different but then during that investigation got asked if he was having an affair and under oath Bill Bill Clinton denied the affair and the House actually voted to impeach Bill Clinton and the trial was then moved to the Senate and where they failed to get the required two-thirds majority of the votes. I let me say that I have actually actually read the Muller report and multiple crimes committed by Donald Trump are clearly detailed in the report and anybody as saying that those crimes aren't detailed either has not read the report or is so partisan that they are just simply blay failing to admit what it details what Muller concludes in his report was that his office the Special Prosecutor's Office. I was advised that it did not have the power to indict a sitting president and that any such indictment would would have to come from Congress now at this very moment. I mean right now as you listen to. This podcast Donald Trump's personal personal attorney Michael Cohen is in prison for a crime that he committed at the request of Donald Trump. It says so again in his indictment that he committed the crime at Donald Trump's request the mother report it not only doubled down on this it also details multiple instances of obstruction of justice and dozens of legal experts have all said that Donald trump lies so much the man has literally told a staggering thirteen thousand lies like I can't the the number is so absurd that in the The Washington Post in their lie tracker of Donald Trump. He has lied over thirteen thousand times since he took office. Legal experts have said that he could never ever make it through a lengthy deposition without committing perjury. Sorry lying. Is that man's default. It's telling the truth that he struggles with now when you can please these go back and listen to episode number sixty one of the breakdown whatever podcast APP you're using scroll back if you haven't heard it or even if you have just listened to it as a refresher on episode number sixty one of the breakdown there I do an entire episode on on how the President of the United States cannot uphold the oath of office cannot uphold the constitution which he swore to uphold and be an active practicing racist I detail. They're very specific. Parts of the Constitution that Donald Trump repeatedly violates by being an open racist that is in part why so many of his decisions have been overturned in the courts because has been unconstitutional but today I want to explain the current violations of trump involving ving multiple phone calls to Ukraine that have caused a majority of the members of the House to now go on record to say that they support impeachment each mint in one way or another. Let me break it down toward the United States government from it. Actively funds to the tune sometimes of hundreds of millions of dollars and sometimes billions of dollars. The United China states government actively funds actively underwrites the military cost of governments all over the country. Let it let me rephrase that I am a taxpayer. You are a tax payer and the government takes stale so much of the money money that my wife and I work hard for an earn and they her using the money that we earn to fund government and military actions all over the world and please color me naive. I openly admit that most of what I focus on today I have some domestic experience and some international experience but most of what I focus on our domestic policies here you're in the United States and I did not fully understand. It's it just was not on my radar. Openly confess that the United States government has been sending hundreds of millions of dollars a year to Ukraine and and Dan all of that that the Ukrainian government absolutely relies on it needs it has to have of it and it's not just something that the president of the United States not just President Obama or just president trump. It's not just something that the president says hey I'm mm sending Ukraine money that money is a part of the government's budget that has been voted on and approved by Congress Congress and this past summer. Donald Trump did something very peculiar he instructed multiple members of his administration to hold off on giving the money that Congress already approved he instructed multiple double members of his cabinet to make sure that that money was not dispersed to the Ukrainian government now right away. That is a major red flag. Now trump is saying that he wanted that money held off okay. This is this is. GonNa be hilarious. Donald Trump says that he wanted the money that was being dispersed to Ukraine and just a quick F Y it used to be called though Ukraine but that was done away with over a decade ago. Some people are still saying the Ukraine. The Ukraine is just Ukraine that trump said no no no hold off on that money because I just WanNa make sure the government's not corrupt upped okay. We're talking about. Perhaps one of the most corrupt individuals I'm talking about before this man and was ever elected president but without a doubt one of the most corrupt presidents who buddies and POWs around with dictators dictatorship all over the world is saying hold on now my integrity beckons and I would like for us to hold on on this until we can confirm the integrity of leadership and the integrity of of the people in the government there in Ukraine okay. That's not what happened. He told them to hold the money and while they were holding our government was holding there's disbursement which they had already been told had been approved and was coming because he was having multiple members of his government the trump administration including his personal attorney. Rudy Giuliani who doesn't quite work for the White House. He doesn't claim to work for the White House. He claims to be not a personal attorney for trump. Rudy Giuliani is now openly admitting and he's saying this all over Fox News and other places that he was talking talking to multiple members of the Ukrainian government to see if they would reopen a corruption option investigation into Joe Biden's son all right. Let me let me break it down. Even more is this needs an explanation. Whoa the brigadier I am not a huge fan of hundred and that's not necessarily necessarily connected to the fact that I am not a huge fan of Joe Biden but I have a problem with something that Hunter Biden did head let me first say that sadly it is very very common in politics particularly at the level of the Biden family but what you will find what you find in the trump family now the trump family they have businesses and business work going on all over the world while wildfire father is president. They're not they're not waiting at all and what we see is former congresspeople current. Congress people in the House and the Senate former members of presidential administrations and their families are often in high demand for lobbying long and consulting now what that lobbying and consulting normally consist of is giving other corporations rations access to important people in power and Hunter Biden the son of Joe Biden is one of those people he was was hired by a very obscure Ukrainian Natural Gas Company think of all the job offers that come through your life and through your inbox and obscure Ukrainian Ukrainian Natural Gas Company offered Hunter Biden fifty thousand dollars a month to join their board and basically operate as a highly paid consultant even though Hunter Biden is not an experienced energy or natural gas executive or expert Hunter Biden was doing what we see or ably. I think it should be banned. It should be outlawed multiple people in Congress right now have several bills banning in such practices under Biden was being paid because that Ukrainian gas company knew who has father was not because he was an expert or a guru in business or in Ukrainian affairs or in natural gas or energy policy Hunter Biden is not a he's not an expert in any of those things doing doing so was not illegal it was slimy was underhanded and it is sadly horribly very very typical of how things often go in and around Washington D C at the same time while allow Hunter Biden had this very extensive relationship with an obscure Ukrainian Natural Gas Company that he was being well compensated for Joe Biden was lobbying for one of the key prosecutors in Ukraine to be fired tired now what the trump administration has done is a card trick. Hunter Biden had a legal legal but ugly slimy business relationship going on where he was being well paid for something he had no the expertise in he was being well paid for his access to people in high places but it was not corrupt or illegal. Joe Biden then advocated for a lead prosecutor to be fired not because that prosecutor shooter was trying to prosecute Hunter Biden. Joe Biden was lobbying for this prosecutor to be fired because the man was not. I'm not prosecuting corruption well. The card trick that I think is brilliant. In the most devilish this way which is trump's way is that trump has conflicted biden statement of working hard to get a prosecutor fired that had nothing to do with Hunter Biden and multiple organizations and agencies independent independent in the Ukraine in Ukraine rather out of Ukraine have all said that there was nothing illegal there with Hunter Biden's relationship and end at this point. I'm I'm choosing to believe their determination but win. Joe Biden worked to have the prosecutor fired. It was was not because the prosecutor was coming after his son it was in fact because there was other horrible corruption going on and multiple agencies sees and government watchdogs all around the world were calling for this prosecutor to be fired not just Joe Biden but trump has done what politician we'll do. He's conflated those two stores knowing that the American people will not look into them the way they need to be seen and the American people are now being told by trump that Joe Biden fire the prosecutor who was about to prosecute Hunter Biden and and that's just not what happened now was hunter Biden's relationship. They're weird and problematic. Yes absolutely a a simple google search of any of your favorite periodic goals be at the Washington Post New York Times or NPR democracy. Now will tell oh you yeah yeah. It was problematic but it was problematic and legal trump then knowing that he could potentially use this against the man who is leading in some polls now. Some polls have other candidates leading now finally an and I have to conceal my glee about that. I don't think Joe Biden is the best candidate to go against Donald Trump. I think Biden could be much more likely to lose in great part because of some weirdness like this but trump got on the phone with the Ukrainian president and openly said I need you to do me a favor and begins talking about looking into Joe Biden's son. Mind you Donald Trump is holding the money that needs to be dispersed dispersed to this man's government and it appears to be what some people call a quid pro quo saying thing you'll get your money if you do this investigation into one of my leading political rivals that that ladies and gentlemen is actually illegal and it appears because it was leaked by the New York Times who have put a very brave courageous person endanger the New York Times leaked that that a CIA agent was the person we don't know if it was a man or a woman was the person who filed a very complex complex whistle blower complaint against Donald Trump believing that multiple very dangerous violations took place in those phone calls not just because of the content of the calls but because the trump administration after those calls understanding it appears that they were problematic began filing the transcripts and records of those calls in secret places is to keep them from being reviewed included in many of those secret places appear to be calls and transcripts two calls else to the president of Russia and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia both who people suspect Donald Trump has had very problematic phone calls else with and so this whistle blower complaint and the subsequent transcript that the trump administration released of the the call the transcript that they admitted to this wasn't an allegation. This is what they said. The call actually consisted of the transcript they released. We have no idea how it may have been redacted or not was very problematic. Many many people felt experts unbiased parties particularly because of trump's line of can you do me. This favor now felt like yeah. This is evidence of a crime evidence of something that is mm-hmm horribly malicious to use the purse strings and power and budget of the government as a bargaining ship to get a foreign government to launch an investigation into the family of your leading political rival and right away people again. Call is the brake and brake pad breakdown. Bring them to break down a brick down there who who for the first time since Bill Bill Clinton was president which is not that long ago in the history of a country. I might add it. It is problematic. Take that in our country we now in just a span of less than twenty years are on the brink of having in an impeachment process of an American president. You may have seen me say this on twitter or instagram but our democracy the democracy almost have to. I wish you could see me putting air quotes around democracy. Our democracy is very fragile at the point in which within twenty years the government is on the brink of an impeachment process of its second president after the previous two hundred years it happened once and now in twenty years we are on the second one we're. GonNa problematic place particularly as it pertains to character and integrity and the like but for the first time in twenty years and for many of you young listeners for the first time in your lifetime it appears that we are on the brink of an impeachment process us of the president of the United States now. The majority of members of the House of Representatives have have now come forward to say that they want impeachment hearings that does not necessarily mean that they are going to vote for impeachment but many of us believe that the hearings will only further the cause in the calls for impeachment. I fully truly really believe that. The House of Representatives is going to impeach Donald Trump and what we have heard even from Congressman Adam Schiff and others is that that will happen in two thousand nineteen now it is the end of September so we're talking about over the next three months. Impeachment hearings will begin an it is my full belief that Donald Trump will be impeach now what the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has said and I have beef with this it is one strategy but Nancy Pelosi and a few others have said that these impeachment commit hearings will focus solely on Donald Trump's dealings with the Ukrainian president. One argument for that is the idea that this is not a witch hunt which is which are words that other people will use. This is not just less. Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. I'm not necessarily against that strategy. I believe I believe they are ten reasons. Why trump should be impeached but there is an argument to say no. We're not we're not throwing tin things out. We are going down down one narrow road now. That is one type of strategy. I think that they could go at it from many different angles but I think there sure I think there's not just smoke but there's a fire here. I think that for his entire life Donald Trump has believed that he is above the law that he is. There's above accountability and he was born this way. His own father acted the same way mind you his father was arrested at a a Klan rally in New York and his father along with trump himself. They were both cited for racism and bigotry in the nineteen nineteen seventies for the way they were running their housing complexes and so these men have been problematic for generations but donald trump the president president himself has been deeply deeply problematic his entire life and all of a sudden when put in the White House. He is having to obey certain rules and policies and systems of oversight. He's never had to have and if you've ever read any link fee articles about trump's actual business my talking about the White House else but people who've gone to his offices in the trump tower they say it is it's so mom and pop like it's a few people running a small family office with old dingy carpet. Do you understand what I'm saying. It's a family business with his his children. His his personal attorney is in prison and it's just on a random floor above central park. I mean his business. Business has been fraud for most of his life. You may recall right before he took office. He was ordered to pay twenty five million dollars in fraudulent fees and charges for trump university trump steaks all manner of frauds and businesses that have closed down in required him to either file for bankruptcy or pay enormous fees fees to people in return so now that he is in the Oval Office. He's having to be held accountable in a way that he's not used to and I actually believe with my whole heart that it is necessary for the house to move forward with impeachment. I support it. I endorse it. I believe they should move forward quickly but smartly but I do see two problems problems in response to it and I'm gonNA break those down in give you are action steps for today you actually donald trump is now alluding to something very very dangerous now. He's done something like this a few times but late last night he began alluding to a violent civil the war if he is impeached this thing about what we're talking about here when I tell you that our country is a fragile democracy. Donald trump is literally talking about a civil war. Let me remind you and I am historian of the civil war. the civil war was the deadliest war in the history of this country where nearly a million people were killed killed in a million more lost limbs. It was vicious and tore this country apart in so many ways. He's all around. It's horrible institution of American slavery and the President of the United States not a reality TV The star. The president of the United States is now publicly warning that a civil war might be possible. You'll see on my my instagram and on social media. The Semi White Supremacist Organization called the oath keepers which is a paramilitary organization. They openly call themselves a well armed militia. The oath keepers on their official accounts are openly tweeting that they now anticipate civil war. I'm not an alarmist but if you just heard me I said the president of the United States is now openly saying a civil war might happen if he's impeached and one of the leading paramilitary very militias the oath keepers are openly echoing his very sentiment literally re tweeting him and adding their own flavor to it saying they also expect what they call a hot. What they mean by hot is violent. A violent civil war would ensue if he is impeached I do you understand how dangerous that is that that's what we're dealing with. I think there is one key action that we can take together and there is something that I am concerned about is going to happen in response bonds. I believe that the House will impeach Donald Trump but as it stands today today just as it was with Bill Clinton in Nineteen Ninety eight and nineteen ninety nine that there are not enough votes in the Senate to make it happen so I'm a part of a team that has formed something called sixty seven senators dot com. 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Pelosi Announces Trump Impeachment

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Pelosi Announces Trump Impeachment

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Tell everybody there is come. Watch the young Turks right now. We're about to celebrate okay and I've got predictions on on top predictions. I've got another fun for you. Guys now having said all that one of the things that's later in the program is not fun which is Joe Biden's Haydn's team going after Medicare for all that is a devastating story devastating on multiple grounds so don't miss that story super important. I you know we got a big day in terms of Donald Trump news but big campaign news a little bit later in the program as well as fear Big Day in the third hour Edwards stones going to join tennis as well as Paul G surgeon run for Senate in in West Virginia so giant Young Turks Anna taking away all right. Let's get started today. I'm announcing the House of Representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. That's Nancy Pelosi doing something that I quite honestly did not expect her to do. The House is now officially launching an official impeachment inquiry this is following a report indicating indicating that a whistle blower within the intelligence community filed a formal complaint after listening to or I should say listening to after there was an accusation nations. Donald Trump had a phone call with a world leader and during that phone call trump made a troubling promise now since then we've learned a great deal about Donald Trump and his relationship with the Ukrainian President The Washington Post has been reporting on this the Wall Street Journal reported that on at least eight separate occasions Donald trump trump communicated with the president of Ukraine and tried to pressure hint to launch an investigation into his political opponent Joe Biden and his son Hunter Hunter Biden and so this is great news and I want to just quickly go to some more context from Pelosi speech today and then open it up for conversation. Take a look for the past several months we have been investigating in our committees and litigating in the courts so the house can gather all the relevant facts and consider sitter weather to exercise. It's article one powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity approval of articles of impeachment agent and this week the president has admitted to asking the president of Ukraine to take actions which would benefit him politically. The action action of the actions of the trump presidency revealed dishonorable fact of the president's betrayal of his oath of office betrayal of our national security already and betrayal of the integrity of our elections therefore today. I'm announcing the House of Representatives moving forward with an official impeachment. Inquiry inquiry underwriting are six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry. The president must be held accountable arable. No one is above the law. We were okay so oh hold on hold on. I know everybody hold the phone. Hold on so we what do I mean by we would first of all we win over Nancy Pelosi so Nancy Pelosi does he did not want to do impeachment under any circumstance and today John Lewis put the last straw on the camel's back and she conceded so later in fact. I said this earlier in the day on twitter that later she will claim that she was personally in favour of impeachment later in the day before we got on Air Howard primary reporting well I mean as closely was personally in favour of impeachment. Come on come on right so that's not remotely true. Pelosi was dead set against it. Her caucus pushed her a to finally take this action begrudgingly so that's mainly mainly what I mean by we win. Impeach begins now in terms of against trump. I look we're GonNa talk more about this later in the show but I think impeachment we'll prove devastating donald trump and he will not survive it okay so fascinating prediction before we get into our predictions and the reasons why we have those predictions. Let's just briefly explain why we believe that. Impeachment is the right way to go about it because there are still some and Democrats including a representative Tulsi Gabbard who think that this is not a good idea that impeachment will lead to a divisive climate as has if we're all getting along and holding hands today okay do these about previous with about ninety percent of the time this is apparently in the ten percent so so first of all on which planet is this country united like what kind of an absurd talking point is then will. It'll be divided. Donald trump is completely divided as already have you not been living in America and second of all so under that hypothesis if Donald trump shot so went on fifth avenue. Should we not impeach him because it would be divisive. Look I don't believe in leadership that's grounded in fear right right and so from some members of the House that I completely disagree with so fear number one we will pursue impeachment and then he will be acquitted by the Senate and then it's a win for trump if you base all of your decisions on what the political ramifications vacations could be then you're gonNA make bad decisions. We have a system of government where we're supposed to have checks and balances and to be quite honest with you. This impeachment inquiries coming late in my opinion. I mean there have been multiple violations of the monuments clause. there's the hush money payments. There's the obstruction of justice there's trump using his own charitable foundation to enrich himself and pay off his settlements. I mean Congress has been asleep at the wheel so I'm glad that finally Congress Democrats specifically our messaging to Donald Trump. No your not above the law so this is about principle over politics so two things things about that number one. If you say to Donald trump or any president hey by the way if you break the law or you violate the constitution. I'm going to do you political calculation on whether it benefits me or not to hold you accountable well. You basically just said I'm asleep. Politician and I don't really care about lar- you're principles. I only care about me and my power and my ego and has a devastating thing to admit. The only problem is that the media never holds a corporate Democrats Democrats accountable so otherwise wait are you if a prosecutor made a political calculation as to whether he was going to press charges against a criminal or not everybody would be outraged but in this case they're like oh well. Nancy Pelosi making political calculations as smart number two was the last time democratic leadership made a political calculation that was correct certainly not in the last decade right so when not only Nancy Pelosi conservative Democrats are the ones that don't WanNa do this well. They're terrible bulla political calculations. That's why the Democrats lost a thousand seats to the Republicans and in the last twelve years so why would anybody trust what they say about this now most hosts importantly number three point about this the Senate voted on whether they're demanding the whistle blower a complaint from the trump administration now according to policy until today and according to all those concerned Democrats they said well we can't go into impeachment doesn't make and he says because the Senate won't commit because the Senate Republicans always stick with Donald Trump is that right the vote today in the Senate was unanimous. Oh Wow so the Senate Republicans have said I don't care that you wanNA hide the whistle more allegations Donald Trump you will hand it to the intelligence community in the Senate right now so that's great. I'm happy that they voted that way but I also don't want to get ahead of ourselves and assume that they will look at that that the look at that whistleblower lower complaint and act appropriately babe in the woods are truly the more likely to be in the woods anyway no do. I think the Senate Republicans will make political casualties since based on what is good for their own power of course that dynamic will change as more and more information comes out right and so and even here look trump's burnt too many bridges so when he goes in the Senate Republicans were truly with him. They would have blocked that vote but they didn't block it. They were unanimous with the Democrats a really bad sign for trump right out of the gate so let's talk a little bit about what influenced. Pelosi's decision now of course it could be this giant story. That's been developing since late last week involving the president if Ukraine but there are also growing number of Democrats in the house who are in favor of impeachment and one of those representatives representative John Lewis who Pelosi seems to have some respect for and so he gave a speech and during that speech he said quote there comes a time when you have to be moved by the spirit of history history to take action to protect and preserve the integrity of our nation. I believe I truly believe the time to begin. Impeachment proceedings against this president has come mm to delay or to do otherwise would betray the foundation of our democracy now. It was over as soon as he said that that's when I started tweeting. Crazy here comes impeachment people go WHOA. WHOA WHOA WHOA. WHOA WHOA. Whoa John Lewis is a legend and no matter what I think of him or the nation thinks of them which are both I think fairly high estimators of John. Lewis the Democratic caucus loves him and REVERES HIM SO when he says it is a moment in history and that you will be betraying that moment if you do not act. It's over so that's that's John. Lewis saying I can't take it anymore and you have to know this political context these days John Lewis bless his heart given his role in the civil rights moving given what he did. You know it'll be hard to ever criticize the money we disagree on but he's not supporting the most progressive Katie's so don't take it as you know. I agree with the John Lewis one hundred percent. I'm just telling what the political context and reality of the Democratic caucuses focuses and for him who is a close ally of Nancy Pelosi to snap and go debts it. I'm giving the speech. I don't care what you think. I'm going. I'm going to defy Pelosi and give that speech. It's over and she couldn't resist that she couldn't withstand that later in the day comes and goes yeah yeah. I I mentioned pitchman. I meant impeachment so great credit to John. Lewis who made a giant difference here now. I'm sure we'RE GONNA get a lot more reaction from Donald Trump on this issue however let's get some initial reactions on how trump feels about an impeachment inquiry towards including empty pussy could could be a result of the Ukraine all what how do you feel about. I think it's ridiculous. It's a witch hunt. A leading in the polls have no idea how they stopped be the only way they can try to through impeachment. This has never happened to a president before. There's never been a thing like this before. It's nonsense and when you see the call when you see the readout of the call which I assume you'll see it so you'll understand. That call was perfect. It couldn't have been nicer and even the Ukrainian government put out a statement. That was a perfect there. There was no pressure. Put on them whatsoever. I was watching Malania that entire totally. Please impeach him please. I just wanted to voice over. I don't WanNa be in the spotlight anymore every every once in a while when she said he says something questionable she looks at a really anyway all right back there important stuff so of course almost everything. He said there was not true so it was a perfect call. Does that even mean now we know through the Wall Street Journal no Liberal Rag that he apparently asked the Ukrainian president eight times to investigate Joe Biden and his son and then he went on to say Oh. Everybody admits that that I you know the Ukrainians are okay with it. That's not true. Senator Chris Murphy said he talked talk to the leader of Ukraine who told him no. I was very concerned that the president was withholding our funds because he wanted me to investigate Biden and I wouldn't and do it and I thought oh no. We're not GONNA get the money so nobody agrees that at all with trump said and of course he's not leading the polls at all. He's trailing badly in the polls to both by an centers now. Let's talk a little bit about how Democrats could possibly bungle this because as we know Democrats. That's our cereal bunglers sometimes which Democrat you're talking. Yeah I mean when it comes to leadership almost all the time. Let's get into the details on that because I think this is something to watch out for so we've just learned that. Nancy Pelosi will pursue impeachment inquiry which is great news. This is something that she's been resisting. However there are some signs some hints indicating that she could bungle this based on the way she wants the impeachment inquiry to move forward so according to the Washington Post Pelosi closely and top Democrats have been privately discussing the creation of a select committee to conduct the possible impeachment of trump. The California Democrat has spoken to key allies is in recent days about establishing a special panel rather than leaving the task with the House Judiciary Committee now keep in mind that the House Judiciary Committee has been investigating Donald Trump and so to create a special new committee to pursue impeachment would really take because back to square one and it would waste time so today announcement real quick and so she kind of this weird half-measure which I'm a little confused used by so people were reporting as Anna mentioned that she might go the select committee and judiciary would normally handle it and they've already been handling it for months so why wouldn't when she wants you to Sherry to handle it because Jerry Nadler push towards impeachment he was right and that drives her crazy so she wants to punish him for being right and in a select committee would allow her to pick all favorite week. Democrats stacked the committee but in her announcement she didn't say select committee as was reported earlier she wound up saying we're going to have all six committees look into under the umbrella of impeachment hearings. I'm not positive what that means. Historically historically the judiciary committee would lead it should lead. It's not like I'm a giant fan of Jerry Nadler but he was right about impeachment he was right to go forward and put pressure on Pelosi so he should not be punished for being right. I absolutely agree with you on that and one other person who agrees representative Cossio Cortez who wrote quote judiciary has been investigating and putting the pieces together for months impeachment belongs there we must honor jurisdiction historical precedent and work work done plus allow judiciary to move forward now as Jake alluded to The Post did report that this select committee would give Nancy Pelosi some more power our and it would allow her to play someone like representative Adam Schiff in a leadership role or at least an important position in the impeachment. Now I bring up Adam Schiff because remember we just spoke about him during yesterday's show and we critiqued just his presentation in regard to impeachment. I want to remind you about that. In this next video take a quick look if the president did in fact in that phone call push the Ukrainian president to investigate gate Hunter Biden and Joe Biden Eight Times as the Wall Street Journal reported. Is it an impeachable offense in your view. We'll take you know I have been very reluctant to go down the path of impeachment for the reason that I think the founders contemplate a country that has elections every four years that this would be an extraordinary remedy remedy the of last resort not first resort but if the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to Brow beat beat a foreign leader into doing something illicit that is providing dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign then that may be the only remedy that is coequal to the the evil that that conduct represents. We're going to hear from the direct so you got to kind of get a sense. I mean you'll search for minutes on end about are co equal to the evil of the status of the Blah Blah Blah and believe me that was just two days ago and impose. He's like ooh ooh. That's that's really good because I don't know what that means and it sounds really week. Let's have him lead impeachment. Yeah that would be a disaster so there is a way to bungle this and I really hope that that she doesn't move forward with this idea to have a new committee launch this impeachment inquiry and do the investigations necessary. Why would you WanNa move backward Lord when you know the Judiciary Committee has already been investigating so she does. I mean the only way that it could be worse if she put Richard Neal on the committee so these are the people that have been protecting donald trump all throughout throughout Richard Neal who is the head of the House Ways and Means Committee huge ally Nancy Pelosi refused to Astra Donald Trump's tax returns in the beginning and national level and then most importantly early New York said here have a state tax returns and he said I don't want them so these are the serial bunglers of the Democratic Party now look at Cortez Tez of course strong progressive coming out and saying wait. I thought you guys were lecturing me. The entire time I've been here about historical precedent jurisdiction and honoring the traditions the house well here we are should we are the traditions of the house by doing the Judiciary Committee. I didn't mean traditions yeah. That's what I thought okay okay so she's totally right on that bus on another important element of that and then. I'M GONNA turn to wine. It's GonNa Work Anyway. Okay and other important element is if you have a new select. Let Committee that takes time to put together and then you have to bring the evidence from the other committees and so it by trump more time whereas judiciary committee has already. He done the work on a go. They're ready to go right now right so Pelosi even as she finally succumbs to the overwhelming pressure on the Democrat side to do impeachment is still L. fighting it behind the scenes like can we slow it down. Can we make it less effective. It's incredible. It's easy but I'll tell you right now mainstream media you know how they are so. I'll say it ahead of time as I always do later. They will give Pelosi all the credit. They'll say oh what bold leadership does start impeachment. Oh my God. This is a great speaker of the House. She knew exactly how to do it. Okay hilarious no today. Before impeachment begins that is nonsense. That is not what what happened. Okay now turning to the most important question. Will it work yes yes. It's GonNa work so look Donald Trump. Is You know like you know opening up a can of worms. S- opening a can of worms and demagogues and bills above and the things that he's got an his past and the things that he's done as president and before or a parade of horrible okay me one terrible the after another after another. It's kind of ironic phrase that I just use but anyway so all you gotta use over the candle. That's all you gotta do now. This guy is is too corrupt to stop being corrupt. You know the tie the day that he made the Ukrainian call was right after the Democrats announced they were going to do a Goddamn thing about the ball report so he's like. Oh okay then. I guess they give me as corrupt as I like. Hey Investigate Biden. Okay take him out. Ukraine by the way that in itself was illegal. Even it's not a quid pro quo that is asking foreign government for assistance in your election that is totally illegal so he and then the second part of it is he's too stupid to cover it up so he goes out and he's already told people to call it was about corruption and I was holding up the money because of the corruption corruption about what by Biden's Oh you need. Why did you admit dad. You're so stupid. Okay that alone is enough to get them. Let along obstruction charges on Russia. Let alone the fact that his co-conspirator in campaign finance reform violations of related the hush money to the porn stars is is in prison right now. He's co-conspirator. It is clearly illegal. Let alone them. I was close but most importantly I mean look with Pelosi in the shift and all those folks and Neil for sure I'd be surprised if they ever got to the heart of it but now that Nadler is as a little pissed at Pelosi. Maybe he's free to not being competent and so I'm not I. It's hard to put your serious right to to put your chips on any kind of democratic leadership but guys if they even look five percent into his business ties with Russia. This thing is Oba by the way might be over tomorrow because Donald Trump says he's going to release the phone call if he really does and in the transcripts. You don't need a quid pro quo. You just need him saying to the Ukrainian president. Why don't you do me a political favor. Why don't you spend in essence when he asks you to investigate rescued by and he's asking you to spend money from the Ukrainian government to help them win reelection. It's already over. You just have to be strong so look man. I don't know how we could get the cuss Cortez and the Democrats to go and somehow be a strong force and this impeachment proceedings if they are. It's good night. Irene arena for trump and even if they're not I think trump's gonNA bunk out Bungle Pelosi into getting kicked out of office. Look trump has been out bungling everyone but whether this impeachment inquiry works or not really depends on something that I feel we can relate to it's it's not just about putting together a compelling case it's about messaging about marketing right and so what does trump have over for everyone in the Democratic Party the marketing the messaging the right wing apparatus that pushes out all of the positive trump trump stuff and makes it appear as though this is nothing more than a witch hunt these Democrats just can't win so they're going to go ahead and do all these slimy. You know what we're going to hear from Republicans there. Do these slimy things to push him out of office. That's all they've got. I mean I already see that narrative playing out today so my work I okay hey. I think that it is very likely to work if Democrats don't consider opening that can of worms completely and doing a real comprehensive a handsome investigation into everything don't Robert Muller this right. This should not be limited in scope. Yes this story regarding. The president of Ukraine is huge but I don't think that should be the only thing they focus on. I think they should definitely expand the scope. They should focus on a violation of the emoluments clause. They should focus on financial crimes. They should focus on possible. Elections crimes like hush money payments like everything you said but they also need to be better and more aggressive in their messaging thing because it's not just about Donald Trump. It's also about ensuring that. The electorate understands the importance of what's going on here yeah so look never underestimate the ability of democratic leadership to bungle anything. I hear you on messaging. They'll probably be horrible. so it's it's a bundle off who's GonNa Bungalow at worst but trump is blaring from the rooftop. I did it I did so he's ironically helping their messaging Napolitano on Fox News News today going well. That's definitely a crime even steamed. Ducey was like that would be off the rails so man he he's hurt. Arabia doesn't own but the last thing is and this is important guys before Pelosi had Oliver Chips on not impeaching okay so all she cares about his own career and look I. It's not to not to pick on her too much. It applies to the ninety nine. It used to be ninety nine. In percent politicians now ninety five percent politicians right and so her everything was invested in it is such a genius move not to impeach but now that she's he's taken the action to impeach that equation completely flips so now. Pelosi the Schiff and all those guys now we'll shift it over to it was a genius decision to impeach so if we're going to impeach we gotta go. We gotta prove that this was the right decision. So now they'll push everything including cluding the media to say the impeachment was the right move as so they'll be invested in getting that right so we'll see if that winds up working. I'm I'm not putting like my bet on Pelosi or democratic leadership. That'd be crazy. I'm putting my bet on trump has done so many any terrible things that all you gotta do is find out five percent of it. We already know all the things we listed plus. The things you don't or even worse all you gotTa do is do like a quarter of decent job at impeachment to get him and so. I think that all this stuff will come out with blinding speed is my guess. That's bold to say blinding speed. I hear you on optimus okay. I'm telling you but when trump goes down it will be so quick in the words of trump. It'll make your head spin as I told you on day one of his presidency one day you're gonNA wake up and somebody's going to tell you trump resigned. What now that can't be true. It is going to be true. He is going to reside. He's not GonNa make it take tick tick tick tick tick aw there we go Gabe on. I am not as optimistic as Jank but we gotta go to break so I'm GonNa go ahead and do that. When we come back. We're going to backup backup a little bit and give you some more details on how trump is already incriminating himself. When it comes to this story regarding Ukraine the Monsanto Corporation continues to selling herbicides called roundup. You should know that recent studies have linked this commercial herbicide to a significant increase in non Hodgkin's lymphoma. 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I did ask them to eight high hunter. Biden also trump which totally he's too stupid to understand that he's admitting crimes. You're about to see that Okay Yeah Donna. Here's my greatest fear impeach number forty five Senate. Gop lets him off and he gets to play the victim but donny he's GonNa play the victim. No matter what all you ever does play the victim. Oh my grilled size was bigger. Edgar Button is bigger okay. It doesn't matter what he does and his and his supporters love it anyway so it's nothing changes he never loses those supporters and and remember the way that the media has been reporting this and the way that the trump administration has been talking about not impeachment but just investigations into his questionable activity like the Republican base and most voters think that impeachments been going on right so anyone one who thinks like all. There's going to be a terrible political price to pay look again. I just want to reiterate there is a way for Democrats to bungle this. There's no question about that but you can't lead from fear you have to if you care about this system of government and you genuinely WanNa protect checks and balances. You need to impeach speech. You need to let trump no. He's not above the law because if you don't impeach if you don't pursue this it does send a message that you know. The president is above the law and to do whatever he wants without being held accountable so I'm probably gonNA. Repeat this those times going forward but stop being afraid of trump voters. What a weird pathetic way of doing politics will trump voters think trump voters will think that Hillary Clinton as I explained the post-game yesterday's actually a man Dan. They'll think that you know that the guy crossing the border with no money in his pocket is secretly controls the whole country who just want a to protect the environment. It doesn't matter what they think no. You're not trying to get trump voters. You shut independence and people on the and you're trying to motivate your own base God. They don't know politics anyway anyway to onto twitter carrick early says he's admitted to hundreds of impeachable offenses but hey if this is the one okay. I'll take it. Ll I think that's the sentiment is pretty right. My gay marriage says let's be honest. The only reason Pelosi came out in support of impeachment today's because bind called her and said Hey. This corn pop is using his power against me and and Establishment Democrats. That's a great point so nice job my gay marriage okay because he took a third rail going won't after Establishment Democrats definitely and I think his handle is poking fun at Dave Rubin who says he's against identity politics but always mentions that he's gay married. Oh that's it's so funny. Okay I have no idea but anyway if he had done this with Bernie Sanders. If trump had called an Bernie sanders was is leading and trump had called and said hey. I Want University Bernie Sanders. I'm not sure Pelosi would've done impeachment yeah so anyway last one because I loved one victim. Samoa's Leo writes in so so has finally turned the tables on Anna regarding that I ah Good Adam Schiff very premature birth right a bit more dot done. I have one more common to read This is from a very important TYP member my husband Christian watching he says be optimistic with three exclamation marks Christian. That's right tick tick tick strike. Chris Christie is watching everybody with three different. clock's ticking taking watching okay by the way one more thing. This is so fun shop to. It they have a fall sale. What is it twenty percents off. GotTa do fall twenty or something okay. Anna Tell L. me fall twenty number twenty okay. TRT avengers. I'm not sure we're allowed to do this so by it while you can and game election twenty twenty and look. I'm normally hulk but I like being iron man so thank you whoever designed this and I'll find out later anyway that you're black widow. I don't know what that says about Christian but you and I guess trump is Thanos so I love this shirt. Get it while before we get sued shop Q. Ortiz Dot Com twenty percent of long sleeves and hoodies because of the fall and you put him Promo Code Fall Twenty twenty the number twenty. I really want that Hoodie. Come on hit me. I have one and I'm wearing it on. Check that out tonight by the way all right Let's move on to the rest of the news. Donald Trump told his acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to withhold money that was appropriated for military aid to Ukraine until will you create agreed to do an investigation into Hunter Biden who is Joe Biden's son. Now this is based on a report a new report by The Washington Ashington Post and three senior administration officials spoke to them on the condition of anonymity. That's why we know about this. New Update to the story now this this direction by trump to mick mulvaney happened a week before his call with the Ukrainian president now officials at the Office of Management and budget relayed trump's order to the State Department and the Pentagon during an interagency meeting in mid-july. They explained that the president had concerns and wanted to analyze allies whether the money needed to be spent so let's positives. I WanNa tell you how extraordinary that is so normally when Congress gives money for a specific purpose in this case Ukraine crane military assistance there are different agencies that are tasked with delivering that money so in this case it was the State Department and the Pentagon so so the Office of Management and Budget is headed by Mick Mulvaney who was also the acting chief of staff so trump tells mulvaney get your office of Management and budget to tell to other parts of the government to not spend that money that is extraordinary weird unusual so he goes and tells them and they're like what would but we buy low. We have to send the money and he says no don't do it. They should we tell the press about why we're not doing it. Say say it's an interagency matter. no not an injury you see matter trump told them does send the money about the call that Ukrainian president as threaten them now. We're going to go to some video featuring Donald Trump's statements about withholding the money he has admitted to it. There are two videos. We're going to go to and I just want you. Guys has to pay close attention to what he says in each because he contradicts himself but the point is. He admits that he withheld that money four hundred million dollars in military eight and here's why he claims he did it. Take a look you explain why aid Ukraine was stopped because I take that other countries should be paying. Also why is the United States only went paying to Ukraine and I've been talking about this for a long time not only with respect to Ukraine but a lot of other countries and I made that loud and clear later. I told that to Mick Mulvaney. I told a lot of people make wherever he is. I told it to a lot of different people so I said hold it up. Let's get other people to pay and then everybody everybody called me. Oh please tell we pay and there was never any quid pro quo. The letter was beautiful. It was a perfect letter. Now of course a NATO member member states absolutely did contribute military aid to Ukraine. It wasn't just the United States so he lied there but keep in mind. He admitted that he withheld talk about money. Now with that said hold on one more quick thing about okay so real quick and then everybody paid up after nobody even knew Buddha. You were holding up the money. How could they possibly known you. Were holding up the money and then go. Oh my God you're right Mr Donald Trump now. We'll put in more money. None of that is remotely true. Yes now now with that said. Let's go to the next clip where he immediately contradicts himself. there was no pressure. Put on them whatsoever. I put no pressure on them. Whatsoever good F- You've probably possibly have been okay if I did but I didn't. I didn't put any pressure on them whatsoever so look the reason why bring that up is an and say he contradicts himself because in some statements he claims no no. No you know Ukraine. They're not contributing enough. When it comes to NATO now now. They're not a part of NATO but they are partner of NATO. he claims no no no. I withheld the money and other statements because there was corruption within Ukraine and so that's one of the other reasons why did it so he again keeps contradicting himself. He keeps throwing everything anything out there to see what can stick but again and the point is he has admitted that he did withhold that money and we have you know based on that whistle blow report some indication that the real motivation behind behind it was he wanted investigation into a political opponent. Actually it's it's even more clear to them but first let me break down the two potential crimes here both of which he's one. He's definitely admitted to the other one. He's largely admitted to and and then get to other crimes that Republicans and conservatives Thursday charging him with first one is asking for assistance from a foreign government for your political. Campaign is clearly one hundred percent illegal now. If you remember Robert Muller said well the Russia's did help donald trump in the election but it was not super super clear that Donald Trump asked for their help so they had a trump tower meeting were parts of his campaign seem to be asking for the help but they didn't receive the help in that particular killer meeting etc you remember that whole conversation and Muller said there's not necessarily enough evidence to charge them on that because he didn't ask for it in this case he's on tape with Ukrainian the president and he just admitted you saw with your own eyes saying yeah you know I I held up the money and and the Wall Street Journal now saying yes he asked eight different times for an investigation of Joe Biden and his son so asking for that foreign assistance is already a crime because it is not for the benefit of the United States of America and its people it is for the benefit of his personal political campaign. That's why it's illegal. The second report is a quid pro quo if he on top of that said I will hold up that payment unless you do something about this well then that's a second crime crime because then you're talking about extortion potentially bribery these are directly lamed in the constitution as reasons for impeachment you you always hear high crimes and misdemeanors but before that there's specific crimes like treason and bribery those are immed- grounds for impeachment so in this case the that you have to connect the dots but it's not very complicated to connect them where he says yeah. I held up the money and yes I asked for them to investigate Biden okay if he's big claim as well. I never said those. Two things are connected. Even though I did that mean mean within the span of a week and I talked about it in the same conversation if he was a regular person and made that case in court he would definitely lose every prosecutor prosecutor in every day yeah. That was the whole point of that conversation where you said. I've got your four hundred million dollars now. Do the investigation on Biden or else so Senator Chris Murphy made a statement that I think is incredibly important. He spoke to Vladimir's Alinsky who is the president of Ukraine A and here's what he said Senator Chris Murphy Murphy Senator Chris Murphy who spoke to Lend Ski during early September visit to Ukraine said Monday that the Ukrainian president directly expressed concerns that they're meeting at their meeting that the aid that was being cut off to Ukraine by the president was a consequence appearance of his unwillingness to launch an investigation into the Biden's. Now I also want to go to this next clip featuring murphy but before I do so so that quote food is devastating. Now it's coming democratic. Senator put it would be really fascinating if they wound up in the impeachment hearings calling a witness the president of Ukraine because if the president of Ukraine really said that it's over I mean he's like I'm on the phone call. He tells me he's not going to give me the aid that the US Congress passed unless I help him politically against US rival. That's good night Irene. I mean even Fox News host now. We're talking about bribery off the rails. I I mentioned Republicans and Conservatives. William Weld admittedly running yes in the Republican primary such as it is but said look that's could be as high as treason and he even said on television. The crime for the punishment for that is the death penalty now. I think that's crazy. Talk Okay but that's a Republican saying that so so okay. No that's crazy talk but but look I this is massive massive and so there's also his admission trump's admission that yet it was it was about buying he said now the clips that we showed you he said Oh is about being sure that everybody chipped in to the assistance to Ukraine but another cases he said No. It's about anti corruption and I WANNA make sure they're not corrupt. He mentioned voluntarily because he's really dumb is about Vice President Biden and his corruption to oops so you just admitted the you're holding up the money because you want them to investigate buying kermit also criminally inept h immi charged with being totally incompetent so I don't. I can't see how they would. I mean you never put it past. Democrats screw up anything but this is a layup. He definitely did it. I mean I he I think he did. That is my gut instinct but it's it's not a gut instinct. He already admitted in every aspect of it. I know today he says on a release the transcript because it was a perfect call and you think well all well then maybe he didn't do it because he's going to release. The transfer know probably advisors. Don't don't release the transfer music. No it was a beautiful call no because he doesn't realize it's illegal. You look people. Keep telling them things a thousand times. They've told them when you do the tariffs offs that's a tax that Americans pay China doesn't pay we pay ed and he's like No. It's not no it's not he really believes it isn't he really believes believes that he's right and then somehow China's paying which isn't true so if they tell him hey that's illegal. Don't admit that don't release a transcript notes. Not No. I could ask any political political favor from any foreign government okay. That's like your opinion man but your opinion doesn't count when we're talking about the law so the only way that this could be screwed screwed up is by the Democrats so fifty fifty proposition all right. We gotta take a break when we come back. We're going to switch gears and talk about how Biden is working with unsavory savory think tanks in order to push out messaging to make people think Medicare for all is bad but it's not it's good and to tell you why return no by the way you look. I'm excited about the trump news. That's the story we're about to do. It makes my blood boil so I'm GonNa go on the warpath when we come back. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you WANNA WANNA get the whole show and more sue content while supporting independent media become a member of dot com slash joined today in the meantime enjoy this three seconds. I'm back in a church with you. Guys viscous cree in the members section right said call me once shame when you call me eight times. It was a perfect phone. Call Captain Cornball says a Brit. It's weird seeing Boris Johnson and now thinking he's the biggest liar on my screen. It is kind of incredible to see like two of the dumbest people in positions of power I know but as somebody on twitter pointed pointed out in fact I'll give you the name I Sanchez. you know trumping. Impeach Boris Johnson might get kicked out Prime Minister Netanyahu losing the elections. Take take take take. What did they tell you. Is that blue. I see hope okay. We should sell my palm home online. Put that on his shirt. That's a bestseller do that. Oh they're gonNA love that hope so you get this shirt which I love by the way I'm going to read a tweet about shirts and say shops here on T. dot com. I know I know but they gotta get. They gotta get this stuff before. Boy We get illegally stuff from selling it. They'll all be collector's items anyway short. Ringo says shoutout to behind the scenes. TRT's employees who helped me when the mail mail service lost my purchase and made sure I got a new one being Minnesota and California. I love showing my hometown support by wearing tease. Ilhan more too strong t shirts around. La I've seen a lot of people wearing that. That's awesome. Also that'll be a collector's item okay last one corn pop right said he's back is no talking about trump's relationship with Russia and Russia having invaded Ukraine. This is less about Biden is about Russia. Biden is trying to make it about himself for election. Look Corp Up. I don't know about that. Ah Don't cut me with a rusty knife but but but it is interesting that the whistle blower said his concern was not what about what trump was trying to get remember the urgent matter was a trump made a promise to another foreign leader so it might not it might have been about Ukraine but it might not have been to the Ukrainian leader think about it okay right so let's go forward all right. Let's do it nope go. Edward Snowden show later okay. Hello Vision be a grownup when talking about children. She's trying to save the planet because is your president doesn't believe in climate change. That's Christopher Hahn ripping into Michael Knowles from the daily wire. one of Ben Shapiro's Latkes now. Why is he ripping into bowls. It's because knows felt the need to attack gratitude. Bergh the young teenage climate activist who has been inspiring people she is the person behind the marches that took place in over one hundred fifty countries last Friday. She's an incredible will young lady but Michael Knowles has decided to attack her in one of the most disgusting ways on Fox. I hate this but we should know what. The Conservatives in this country entree are really about. Take a look. If it were about science it would be led by scientists rather than by politicians and mentally ill Swedish child who is being exploited by her parents and by the international so what you're seeing here is a political movement and a religious movement and it's fulfilling religious and political goals of the left but it isn't doing very much for Science Chris. You had a visceral reaction to that. Go ahead. Yeah I mean you're grown man and you're attacking a child. Shame on on you. She's trying to relax Guinea boy. I got this okay. You're attacking a child. You're a grown man. I have some coconut. I'm attacking television on your on your podcast. You get away and say whatever you want because nobody's listening. You're on national television and be a GROWNUP. When you're talking about children. She's trying to save the planet because your president doesn't believe in climate change and kids need to take to the streets to worry about their future. You are despicable for talking about her like that and you should apologize national television right now. I think the international left and her parents who are exploiting girl with many mental illness mentally takes us back. Now is take back. Now is mentally ill. She has this compulsive disorder. She has selective use short to SPIC mother man. Wow Nice job by the Democrat five. Suzanne is his his name. Yeah Christopher Hahn wonderful work. You almost never see that but that's who these guys are so she's got ass burgers and she he said it's a gift and she said look. I don't know if I didn't have it. Maybe I wouldn't have done this so and so. I'm I'm GonNa Sense blessed blessed with a superpower that I I decided to go forward and have the Kersh do this etc Cetera. I'm paraphrasing what she said there but that's a good way of looking at it describing her as mentally ill is not a good way so what is knowles suggesting there right that the parents keeper locked up in a cage. This is something that she's clearly passionate about and wants to do something about climate change a series. I love how knowles mentioned leave it to the scientists because conservative d. bags like you have really cared about what the scientists the vast majority of which have been screaming from the rooftops about climate change. I mean it's it's ridiculous and look it. She's under she's a child right so I don't agree with attacking children whether their children who believe in right wing ninety dollars or left-wing ideology. I hated seeing anyone on social media go after Barron trump after donald trump was elected but here's the thing while members of the left and I'm specifically specifically talking about public figures well public figures on the list will you know draw this red line and say do not attack children under any and all circumstances that is is not the case on the right on the right. They don't care they have absolutely no rules no boundaries and absolutely no respect for anyone including the very children they claim to protect when when they want to pass laws violating women's reproductive rights so look what he said about her is obviously despicable on its face. I don't think we have to discuss it that much more but I do WanNa make a comment about the scientists you said if it was a real it would have been a movement led by the scientists but it is ninety nine percent of the world's scientists say that it's real it's manmade and we must act urgently and you know what. Republicans like Michael Knowles Uh when the scientists say that they say oh well they're all getting paid off. URGEL conspiracy who don't believe the scientists so which one is it and then the other thing they say is scientists shouldn't talk about this is not their job politics. Their job is to go back to science. Hey Idiot. They are talking about science. They're talking about temperature readings. They're talking about the ocean temperature. They're talking about carbon. They're talking about methane. They're talking about things relating to science and when they do you browbeat them and then when somebody else's Odessy legitimate to side just shouldn't talk about children shouldn't talk about the left shouldn't talk about it. No one should talk about it except Exxon John Mobile whereas my cheque whereas check Michael knows knows you're either one of the dumbest people alive not getting paid by Exxon Mobil to do their bidding thing and the coke brothers or you are getting paid by people in the oil industry and I'm sure you are through daily wire because filled with corruption. It doesn't make any money money on its own. All it is is propaganda or outlets that are profit off of the fossil fuel industry and other industries so yeah you you're a part of corruption and you just stick to a level where you got even kicked off a Fox News congrats well play. I'm sure your boss Ben Shapiro Super Proud so let me give you the details on that because Fox did release a statement of following what Michael Knowles said here's the statement says the comment made by Michael Knowles who was a guest on on the story tonight was disgraceful. We apologize to gratitude Berg and to our viewers and Fox told the Hollywood reporter that it had no plans to book knowles as a guest in the future and one other thing I do want to mention the disgusting behavior toward Greta Tune Bloomberg again. A teenager was not limited to that one moment on Fox because then you have someone like Laura Ingram who never her takes a minute to think about whether it's a good idea to attack children remember. She attacked the Parkland students would just seen their peers get slaughtered and now she's also attacking Greta Tune Berg. Let's go to video d for the world is waking up and change is coming with the you you like it or not. I anyone else find that schilling. Time of tribulation has come test is at hand the final test. I can't wait for Stephen King sequel children of the climate so she's comparing a gratitude. Berg two children of the corn where children kill adults like religious zealot. Children kill adults well in the real world. The children are trying to save the adults but corrupt people like Laura Ingram say yeah but what do I care about my kids. and the planet is is on fire. I got a really big check from Fox News and so everyone in Caserta movement gets giant checks from the fossil fuel industry so I guess that's my problem not my problem in this movie that adults are the ones endangering the lives of the kids and Fox News has not commented on Laura Ingraham's uh-huh attack against tune burke however Laura Ingraham's own brother has come out to criticize her for that segment us. Let's go to that quote clearly early. My sister's paycheck is more important than the world. Her three adopted kids will inherit. I can no longer apologize for a sibling who I no longer recognize I can and will continue to call out the monstrous behavior and the bully commentary born out of anger now. Curtis Ingram is absolutely right and the Laura Ingraham Swan asked what family values is all about yeah so look one last thing back the scientists for a second. I just want to be super clear about this. If you don't agree with ninety nine percent of the world's scientists it is credibly likely you're stupid person or corrupt. I mean look at least get Laura Ingraham Ingraham and Michael Knowles. They're getting paid for it. What's your excuse so if you're right winger who says without any evidence to back you up and given the La- The hottest a sixteen years on record were in the last seventeen years you somehow you know better than ninety nine percent of the world science at every temperature reading on the planet well. You're a stupid person. 'CAUSE you're not even getting paid for it. You're just a sucker for Laura Ingraham and our paychecks and now you're celebrating going after this child who's actually trying to do something about it and helped the rest of us so congratulations idiot all right. We're GONNA take a break when we come back. We have some slimy stuff going on with Biden and later. We're going to tell you about Bernie Sanders and his wealth tax.

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GOP Shaken by 'incredibly damning' testimony shattering Trump's 'no quid pro quo' defense

The Beat with Ari Melber

45:05 min | 1 year ago

GOP Shaken by 'incredibly damning' testimony shattering Trump's 'no quid pro quo' defense

"Detailing the trump bribery plot with Ukraine bill Taylor a name now echoing around the nation serve presidents in both parties and he went to Congress and he drew the good evening to you at home after a day of major clashes in this impeachment probe on Capitol Hill tensions rising after what can only be described as this blockbuster testimony from a diplomat in their phones but you can't do others tried to make a mockery of their own house by ordering pizza and chick-fil-a sandwiches this German prob- I do want to mention something because we always try to get all of it in here all the facts there are Republicans who argue that the hearings should be open and there may be or to spin it out loud then run to Bill Taylor testimony yesterday let's to that argument but they don't get to make that call in the current Congress because the United States House is run by the party that won more seats and many sensitive topic six we should mention are also covered in closed hearings and Republicans doing this stunt today most of them know that because when they ran these similar committees when they were in charge they also had the trump allies that you see there from Congress tried to storm the hearing and they actually used force effectively to overwhelm what is secure location as weekly Republicans trying to block their own branch of governments work momentarily to try to block the gathering of evidence now under the rules only the members of the help some Republican senators greeted just straightforward questions about ambassador Taylor's testimony note they didn't say he was wrong or he's part of a smear campaign or anything the White House organized of House Republicans went to do something pretty unusual they basically tried to protest or shutdown or break the rules or do a direct action do besides just silently running away and letting it sit well is try to shut down the whole process and that's the other headline you're looking at a whole group quote a very dark moment for the trump White House that's the view not from Democrats critic speed rather a source close to Mitch McConnell how dark is call it that was one of the very Republican protest leaders today who who led this whole thing actually confronted by reporters asking about the testimony probably don't watch the news this is done in a very particular way when it involves intelligence it's a closed-door meeting in classified protected room and what you've got today was based by Golly if they're gonNa do it doing public we own proceedings the American people deserve nothing less we're GONNA go on secret this is how we live now but this is of course a momentary maneuver it's a desperate gasp of a day it doesn't change or stop the obvious lawful impeached saying they just let it be and that may have actually been prudent because when the news is rough the other thing we tend to see in politics the other thing that people but is fundamentally debatable you debate I mean they're all politicians but if you find that there's no real way to do bait it or to rebut it in whatever you WanNa call it and that will be debated too but they joined together to crash and stop the fact-finding deposition of a top Pentagon official actual relevant committees allowed in now those other Republican officials who saw barged in any way and some broke a holy additional security rule because they can progress action fund. Good evening everybody I'm going to start with Matt because you've dealt with some of these committees under both secure private hearings now what are these same members say about the substance of Ambassor Taylor's testimony that is clearly up ended so much that led to this direct action if you want the storm rolling in after that testimony as this evidence accrues well here's a rule of thumb in Washington helps you you lean into it if you think it hurts a little bit party's control what do you think is the significance of a ambassador Taylor setting off something so lethal yesterday that we showed the Irvin who clearly works above the board everything in his opening statement was probably based on meticulous notes he laid out receipts he named names is an had withheld security assistance to get these investigations launched into his campaign. I think that's why you saw the reaction you saw today from the house they they knew they couldn't how the Good Morning Bill Money yesterday so you have it today several those Republican senators facing Mr Taylor Military Guy West Point Grad lifelong public survey both parties Yada Yada they didn't really have the appetite to say piece of the puzzle we've already seen direct evidence of abuse of power pressuring the Ukrainian government we'd already seen direct evidence of the cover up this was the final piece direct evidence that that the red meat out to Fox News so fox has something to cover because otherwise what do they have to talk about they can't really cover Taylor's testimony there's nothing good there and so they needed a little bit of a l. to whether she knew why that happened and two they need a distraction for the media they don't really care what's reported on MSNBC I don't care what report another networks but they need to throw some a even not sure if I believe him I believe my president over the ambassador that's a position one could take they didn't even say that Juanita because he is a dedicated public damning messages that are coming from these testimony that cannot be explained away by any member of the GOP and my a lot of this is moving fast I don't think the Democrats the needs of our democracy over the needs of our country and so they were playing to trump more than anybody else here even though tomorrow we're still going to be talking about Taylor and we're still going to be talking about that trump was looking for he wanted to make sure he had a strong showing of members of his party going out and prioritizing him over the needs of Americans they wanna make this about do they want to concede that some shady stuff happened but it's not impeachable that was Mulvaney his first response Mulvaney one point which turned into Mulvaney two point it pay no attention to Mulvaney earlier in the day do they want to do this process attack which of course lawyers and people do you process or do they want to say something substantively unlisted dates and he methodically walked through a process in which trump and his administration work to essentially extort Ukraine in order to investigate his political opponents for his own personal love your power that's one of the things that the founders explicitly discussed in fact when they took high crimes and misdemeanors from the law they can't handle the truth yeah very close to say basically I'm not I'm not GonNa rip off a movie but that's the point so they'll look I think they there's not wanting to address it at all the president distracting with his racial incendiary remarks which we covered briefly on the show last night and this spectacle today look I they couldn't really handle another day like yesterday they couldn't have another witness come up and give testimony potentially locking the into are you saying of the crown it was clearly understood that you would impeach someone for abuse of power or just not doing their job you could at our even know where to start because first of all the constitution and the impeachment process is also not about crime meaning of course you can be a peach for abuse they had two goals they won they were trying to shut down down the witness who was coming to testify at official from the the Department of Defense there to testify about the security assistance being with we're enquiring right now you don't get to go to the FBI when they're investigating a crime and say I get to sit in on all your witness it happened today was a direct reaction to him to ambassador Taylor's testimony yesterday the testimony that he came and gave is the kind of testimony that ultimately can be fatal to the president it was the last interviews and get cross examine your witnesses while you're interviewing them before you've even decided whether you're charging them with anything the what happened yesterday and are very very concerned and are willing to go out and defend it the way the the members in the house are yeah and as we showed and we'll show any comments we get Juanita but what evidence of a crime you have I mean the constitutional sort of abuse of power is not a crime well these are something we typically do this is somewhere where political strategies meeting like an MCI sure please go on well route in yeah let's let's see if we can get it I mean we work here we know the rules let let's see what happens when we break our own rules zero quid pro quo and let's be clear the term do us a favor well we all have goto phrases you know I'll say you know a lot both of these arguments is because let's let's take it to it's logical extension we're not at preliminary hearing stage because preliminary hearing stage means you get rain I think the other thing of note here in the display we saw in the house today by those dot members gop members was the fact that they're also performing for trump this is something that have settled on one clear and single impeaching rationale actually have something on that later this show but the Republicans clearly struggling to decide what that'd be true that that man was the attorney general of the United States held the job that was once held by giants like Robert Kennedy and Elliot Richardson it just it blows online still actually impeach in the UK under that scenario but I think more importantly here is the suggestion which is similar to the process claims we were seeing in the A- as we explore the range of defenses I also WanNa play someone who is very influential in the White House you mentioned jennings some of this up for different audiences here's Sean Hannity on a potential defense for centrally what's happening it's a great point in reminding us of something that is good to keep in mind as we follow this process which is under the constitution if there is a potential high crime abuse I turned out my Wiley former counsel to me of New York City and a prosecutor Sdn y Matt Miller who served at Doj when he too tall from the Campaign Center for America authored enough evidence that you can start to talk about what you're gonNA prove what the Democrats have been saying all along which I think is the right is it true on the processes it'll baying when in a process out national security you actually undermine the national security of the country they can get through the house with this because a lot of the members of the house are silly people and they can get through a silly arguments but when they get to the Senate those members are going to have to vote and they're gonNa have to decide whether attraction because what's really happening in the Republican Party is not what's happening in the house is not is not what's important what you showed in the Senate is the real problem for the president right now a lot of senators who saw and have to retreat from every argument they started with the idea that you know look there was no pressure at all and they've had to retreat from that then they moved to there was no quid pro quo and then they had to retreat our bribery treason it is the house that investigates and charges in the Senate that tries and you're referring to is the fact that the house is doing that investigation side and on the opposite sides of whether this was conditioned on the probe so there's a lot of mess because we have so much in my special thanks to Matt wanting to and look I'm a former prosecutor and what I know this is a perfect time for pl- near here where you would say show assure evidence L. disobedience if we want to call it that today in Congress I don't know that I do I just off this I'm being kind and you can you civilly disobey when you're in charge of still still to this day I think you see these arguments from you know from Matt Whitaker and from Sean Hannity because they really are left with nothing else I mean you've seen we're not there yet they're not there and they have the shadow chief of staff according to some reporting Sean Hannity disagreeing with the actual chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney because Hey MSNBC listeners it's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath I sit down with Bob Paulson the former commission wiley coming up Rudy Giuliani's indicted associates back in court today linking the case back to trump will explain that news and tonight coming up next my special report about the underlying facts and I wanna point to you to former Attorney General United States whose job isn't really supposed to be about defending the president but here's the claim he's trotting out on on Fox News these are the guys that are supposed to be helping him I mean it is amazing to watch the arguments they're rolling out the the president uses them all the time I have a verbal aside so to recap the term do me a favor the phrase the president uses we've identified hundreds of times Kinda give them something else to work with something factual or I think ultimately the only thing they only defense is the one that you laid out the beginning which was yes it was bad the president did this but it's not impeachable MSNBC's the oath of elbow now wherever you get your podcasts Shen and you've got to be guided by the public interest please join me for that conversation with former Royal Canadian Mounted Police Commissioner Bob Paulson that's this week with these ideas that quid pro quo if you don't use the magic words like if if I came up to you are instead I want I don't want to buy drugs only impeach if those bad things amount to a clearly impeachable offense and for all the evidence coming out and all the criticism of trump congressional Democrats if you think about it they have sites answer really does matter and it's the subject of our special report right now under our constitution you don't impeach the president based on a list of bad things they've done what might be the strongest case for impeachment and twenty may not have heard I'm new explained that after the break later Donald Trump's lawyers arguing he cannot be investigated or that I take these nonsense arguments from from the White House and defend propositions that are really indefensible the American public or whether they are going to come back whether the White House of justice the President's betrayal of his oath of office betrayal of our national security and betrayal not yet outlined a focused case on what the clearest impeachable offense is some talk about portraying the oath or abusing power or obstruction of congress and obstruction. You know here's a bag of cash and give me that cocaine that's that's not a drug deal because I said I'm not doing they're just kinda falling back on nonsense over and over again and I think it does get to the problem there of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police it's like you just put on the high browns and the Stetson and people clap there's more to the job than just occupying the position and what's the cultural change I was actor Bob describes the history and Organisation of the iconic mounties as well as his love police work from his days as a rookie constable even if he were to kill someone on Fifth Avenue he might say it but why are they saying it now in court of our Elbert and watching the beat on Msnbc so those are several different arguments impeachment and historically Congress has used more than one argument to impeach Congress voted on eleven articles against President Johnson and four there are I think are going to have to retreat from that they're still trying to pretend like there wasn't but that's not going to hold up for very long so they're left kind of attacking the process and was inspirational and visionary leadership of the R. C. N. P. The idea of leadership is that you're looking after people you can't lead with people but you've got to be able to do it with a mess the constitution specifically names bribery as an impeachable offense perjury and making false statements under oath which is a form of perjury against President Clinton but those presidents also bogged down and debates over all the different articles it only takes one for the Senate to convict does not rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors as spelled out in the constitution perjury and obstruction of justice cannot be reconciled a fight to try to prevent an obstruct the lawful functions of Congress the more they're gonNA make a case for impeachment on obstruction of justice considered among the high crimes and misdemeanors the framers intended to be grounds for impeachment lying about an extramarital affair even under oath it and debates over which were the clearest impeachable offense for example for Clinton there was a debate over whether perjury should be impeachable high crime perjury whether they were a high crime and so for all the talk now of abuse of power or obstruction the clearest legal case for an impeachment offense in the Ukraine skin Latin legal term that means thing for and that's why legal experts say there's already such a strong amount of evidence that trump demanded a bribe from you rush as the movie American Hustle famously showed in a depiction of the real life abscam scandal with the office of the president of the United States those were just some of the debates back and forth about things that weren't listed as impeachable in the Constitution the integrity of our elections there are so many different things that have gone on today very significant things that I think add up to an abuse of power by this president the more on that is short it says the president should be impeached for treason bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors so if you look at that plainly it lists just to specific value and unlike some harder cases here trump's already admitted his goal I would think that if they were it'll is one that few Democrats have been making yet and it staring them in the face right in the constitutions impeachment clause the pivotal section of the constitution really defined defenses and one of them is bribery when a government official requests or take something of value in exchange for an action like a politician getting a briefcase cat before I talked about him I don't want to say something about Matt Whitaker I it is it is incredible to me as it probably is to my as veteran the Justice Department to to still further that same action sought in return releasing money to Ukraine contingent on the biden pro but not only that remember unofficial can actually be guilty of bribery I mean clearly agreeing to do something that is enough they don't have to actually do it so if you pledge a quid pro quo and you don't even follow through question he says interet the substance of what he said he we'll know whether or not mean now with this evidence the case for bribery is straightforward and everyone knows bribery impeachable because the constitution says it honest about it that SORTA major investigation into the vice very simple answer very simple now trump's own Ukraine ambassador Mr Taylor testifying miserable expensive the opening statement says very clearly this is not this is Paul finished what I'm saying another defence is about the presidency itself not whatever one thinks of Donald trump it's the argument even if the Ukraine plot was a terrible unethical no good scheme that it's the Biden probe the favor that's valuable bribe corruptly demanded by the official definition of bribery says that's directly demanding something what kind of duty to fight corruption gavitt obligation to do it probably a duty to corruption we are looking for L. 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Briefcase of cash is of course the bribe and the politician can say they'll do something in return for which is why bribes are often referred to as quid pro quo which is just and the US has an interest in supporting a strong president in these four negotiations not worrying that a single phone call might become impeachable but you know what well even if the Biden would benefit donald trump's reelection he can argue generally thought it was in the US interest and not abroad and trump has been insisting he had could have been stopped the arguments the congress should not set a precedent that a president can be removed for what his defenders basically say is verbal hardball and Foreign Policy Direct Line between trump and the scheme deny military aid to Ukraine and exchange for a probe of Donald Trump's rivals the reverberations are continuing mounting evidence. teeing up unpack excuse me excuse me I'll handle that for the mayor for the mayor it'd be sign of disrespect to the shape of the this I want to be clear we report this out for you tonight president trump still has defenses to this kind of case which he and his lawyers will continue to make one is that and you might be thinking of this already there is a problem with those defenses and it's the day even as defenses admit the actions at the heart of Donald Trump's Ukraine scandal in exchange for trump releasing money to Ukraine or for a meeting with the president of Ukraine that would be the action in return so here is the simple case trump I think for the president trump will almost like hearing the hook the Supreme Court ruled that unanimously in a recent case so unlike those debates over a high crime or what's an abusive power and what are those is it trump the president said I like to do us a favor okay let's Fav- okay there were no strings attached you tonight there are clear signs the Congress is edging closer to impeaching president trump why the go ahead is what is I don't know I don't know if I don't know you is and what that is but it's weird you understand what is this taking this for you may call what is this campaign everything's good and then they sort of argue that impeachment is just too strong of punishment which is integrated defense and there are a few other options in a White House there aren't many other options the White House where you have scenes like this mick mulvaney walks out basically admits what could be crimes on live TV before trying to take it all back new episodes of why is this happening every Tuesday listen for free wherever you get your podcasts back with our special guests in thirty seconds welcome back to the Provo we do that all the time with foreign policy associates were there today one case back to trump with a lawyer who said that some of the evidence gathered might be covered by executive privilege which implies there's an executive involve putting more pressure on that executives lawyer Rudy Giuliani a diplomat for Ukraine meanwhile testified that you all Giuliani was driving the entire quid pro quo bribery is specific and airtight as possible. Now that we've laid it out we're GONNA get into all of this plus the news of Rudy Giuliani's associates back in court today this brings us back to what they impeach on because impeaching specifically for bribery would focus on lots of the evidence that could make trump look guilty let's go to trial were guilty till proven innocent Ross was defiantly welcoming a trial that he felt was stacked against him with this evidence license. Pretty it's pretty damning evidence damning evidence for a plea instead of a trial but there's no pleading out for president when it comes to impeachment A. B. We've been talking about the evidence against trump but there's also evidence against Rudy Giuliani case it's getting harder take a look at the scene outside the Federal Court in Manhattan to indicted Ukrainian linked Giuliani to cite another former defendant who confessed to questionable acts before an indictment Rick Ross once said federal sentences federal sentences he said something interesting that I want to show you he said given all this testimony from trump to mulvaney ambassador Taylor normally this kind of case wouldn't even go to trial what does happen in the Senate if the house does get get through with this inquiry and decide that they are going to impeach president trump well under the Senate rules where we resign like Nixon did for you stay and fight like Johnson and Clinton if the house does impeach the Senate is preparing to hear all that evidence at a trial most other people would have pled guilty by now is that prosecutor told us so when it comes to a defiant defendant it may be worth insuring for the Congress that the case and Donald Trump has long complained about a rigged system the most of the rigging has been for Donald Trump and his direction which is why on this evidence subverter you'd have to ask Rudy I just don't know well we'll have to ask nick and Shelby Prosecutor Wall Street Journal Friends of the beat where do we go from here well I think we're we're going to go is we're going to see these people being squeezed to cooperate all that evidence but we just ask the prosecutor who actually ran the SDN y office says the same office run by Premera Rudy Giuliani of course now investigating Guiliani oh I doubt that this is a case would really go to trial when confronted with all the evidence a reasonable defendant would likely take place you're saying and that means you know who do they have the sing about there's only one person that's really of interest to the prosecutors here in that would be Rudy Giuliani when you look at Cohen I don't know them I don't know about them I don't know what they do but I don't know maybe they were client aw and there's new reporting that reveals investigation into Gilani's associates is widening wall trump has continued to distance himself with echoes of what he did to another lawyer one what you've been finding on Guiliani Front with your reporting and then to what both of you think about that as promised bribery piece of this in Washington acting in some way as agents for Donald trump all of this would be admissible in a major conspiracy trial because each one of these people in some way is a conspirator also allegedly funneling Russian money into US campaigns making illegal campaign contributions and setting up these meetings for Giuliani with Ukrainian what does that Tell You well it tells me that first of all we know that both of these guys were involved in some way in this whole business with Ukraine I mean they both from Ukraine they both going to baseball games smoking cigars Warsaw I could go on and on but what's interesting is that while they are spending so much time together partisan firm and in this case both of those people who are Giuliani associates I mean their only way of voiding a major jail sentence here is to cooperate with the government the things we're now learning about this probe and I sometimes I'm a broken record but if there wasn't a red hot impeachment probe into the president this stuff would be huge out that what you have here is a major conspiracy with the top Kahuna here being none other than Donald trump all of these people everything they're doing they talked to people introduced rudy to people that were involved in his so-called investigation are relating to the Biden's and what had hard to take it up if the house does go down that path and we'll follow the rules the rules acquired the Senate to take this trial to house impeaches than possible monitoring of these men that may be a problem for Giuliani based on how much time they spent together but I also want to go back to that sound bite you played of president trump he these photos that he spent a lot of time with Giuliani leading up to the mid terms and after the midterms this included flights on private jets traveling across the country going to different political events with rudy well we're we're spectrum rudy just published a story about love Parnassus activities we reviewed some of the photos on his private instagram account and it shows when you look at and in terms of the cranium involvement so called involvement in the two thousand sixteen election which is nine existent I mean both of these people know something about in the ultimate goal of this bribery case that you so eloquently laid out so it seems to me that what they're gonNA eloquent or was Rick Ross eloquence initials and former officials to try to help him get these investigations into Perez MMA and 2016 Russia probe based on what you find it we in the photos and the reporting you're doing claim of executive privilege the the fact that the lawyer even brought that up today makes it pretty clear that they think president trump does know these men and may have some sort of defense to shield I don't know these guys I don't know what they do you'll have to ask Rudy there are numerous photos of these men with president trump dating all the way back to twenty fifteen so given the evidence cases don't go to trial in a criminal case because the evidence is overwhelming where sufficient enough to I I would think that if they were honest about it that Dr two major investigation into the by the very nipple what do you do with all and as a result it's also a political process which means that it's incumbent upon the house to bring the public up to speed into what happened in two thousand sixteen certainly was was part of the things that he was worried about in corruption with that nation then that is absolutely yeah is a quid. It'd be tough story multiple premises these searched we've learned about this Giuliani probe dozens of separate telephone numbers fifty bank accounts subpoenas of all of these different witnesses live on television so they can put this altogether it is so important to get the public involved in this because ends but president trump going out and saying that he doesn't know them is not going to help that case and so on the on the bribery front and the evidence against trump I wanna play for you a little more of what we alert yesterday even even that transcript that we got pretty much shows that what we have here is classic bribery and that's how the mob bosses you know carry out bribery you don't legal claim about shooting someone will explain the key here is putting together a solid case I mean it's pretty good right now from what we can see but this case is not just about one phone call guest Giuliani making out of the loop defense might be more difficult it'd be difficult I also think when you look at the evidence including phone records have a conviction so I doubt that this is a case would really go to trial when confronted with all the evidence a reasonable defendant would likely take place you're saying someone presented with this evidence meetings with former and current then current Ukrainian officials they know they likely know what was said in these meetings and what the message was that Giuliani was sending it's really striking but it was seriously posited in court trump's lawyer in at least private practice saying their view is he could murder someone yeah all right what this evidence is I mean is really important that after they do all of these depositions that they put together a very powerful presentation they couldn't do anything about it I think once the president is removed from office any local authority this is not a permanent immunity which clearly show this is a bribe and when you go back prior to April I'll before the first phone call and what else they were doing in the Ukraine and they say I have the most loyal people did you ever see that where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters played and what some viewers saw which is David Kelly holds that same job that Giuliani had these other top officials had and he went farther than usual on this very program take a look it's pretty it's pretty damning evidence damning slam dunk evidence yeah yeah I would totally agree with that but don't forget we're not in a criminal trial this is an impeachment process news is that it has become an actual part of illegal fight over whether Donald Trump's accountants have to comply with the law that they have to furnish his taxes to Congress over and say oh I'm going to give you a bribe I mean you do exactly what trump did on that particular conversation but when you've got other people filling in the blanks Taylor Legal and otherwise about this presidency they absolutely apoplectic at the very notion that they have to be held accountable but at its core it's what is Laurie argued we just don't think Donald Trump can be the shooting came up and here we go what's your view on on the the fifth avenue example local authorities couldn't investigate I don't talk more about bribery in your view oh I think they will they will haven't haven't but there's no reason why they won't I mean the evidence is coming out that way at least what we got from so fast forward today Donald Trump's

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