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Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
Trump to Fire Intelligence Watchdog Who Had Key Role in Ukraine Complaint
"President trump has fired the inspector general of the intelligence community Michalek concern was the first to notify Congress about a whistle blower complaint last year which described efforts by the president to pressure the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation into the son of former vice president Joe Biden that led to the president's impeachment in his letter to the Senate intelligence committee the president says he no longer has confidence in Atkinson we appointed to the position at concern will spend the last thirty days of his term on administrative leave the top Democrat on the Senate Intel panel Virginia senator mark Warner calls this
Trump survives impeachment: US president cleared of both charges
"That all of this is done what happens now for the trump presidency. I mean for the rest of his term. How're you expecting it to be different than and it might have been well in a way? This is like a turbo charge for president trump because he survived this gauntlet this impeachment proceeding without without having to be removed from office. And therefore he's waking up feeling emboldened and empowered and feels a conviction that everything he does is right. He is at the strongest point politically today that he's been in some time. The Gallup poll has his approval rating at forty percent which is sending shivers through the Spines of Democrats Crafts Around the country there are good feelings in the country about the economy which continues to home along to report to you tonight that our economy is the best I it has ever been. He had a pretty powerful economic message in a state of the Union. Even though a lot of it was exaggerated and he made claims that are not true. Jobs are booming. Income Poverty is plummeting. Crime is falling confidences surging. It was a selling argument. It for reelection and our country is thriving and highly respected again and so we can expect I think the president into continue to to sound teams into seek retaliation against all of those. He felt have wronged him in. It's impeachment process with this acquittal. How is that likely to change the office of the Presidency broadly? It's a good question because the evidence about trump's activity in Ukraine is. There's no dispute dispute about what he did. The evidence is clear the testimony was clear. Trump himself has admitted on camera that he wanted the Ukrainian government to do an investigation into his political political opponent and in fact he called on the Chinese government to do the same so what he did is clear what happened is the Republicans in the Senate made a political calculation about out not removing him from office for it that what he did doesn't amount to an impeachable offense and I spent some time in the last days interviewing historians and they said this is a major watershed moment in our nation's history because the way the founders set up our government setup. Our Constitution was to punish and remove presidents. Who who do exactly what? Donald Trump has been proven to have done with Ukraine. This is a system of checks and balances and what's happened is the legislative branch under Republican. Look in control in the Senate is no longer holding the president accountable they're becoming an instrument to propel his power and perpetuate his power and that's concerning to historians it's concerning to legal experts and it certainly would set a precedent. I would imagine for future presidents who will say look if trump got away with this I can get away with it too and it is just an expansion of that sort of executive power which is troubling to those who study the framers and the Constitution. Do you think I mean with a different president. You know ten years twenty years from now our future executive branches likely to think back to this moment and say I can do this. It's okay I'm not going to get in trouble. You know. They they could and we may not even have to look to future presidents for that. President trump has another ten months seven months in office. He may have another four years beyond that and there's no telling what he might try to do going forward because he's escaped accountability this time in the Russia investigation. You know the Muller Team documented did all of these examples for really proven examples where the president sought to obstruct justice but did not charge him or indict him because he's a sitting president narrow justice assists department guidelines about that. Well the very next day after Robert Mueller testified in Congress about this trump picked up the phone and called the Ukrainian president asking for the favor the political favors so he the conclusion he drew from the Muller Investigation and his lack of any legal punishment in that regard was that he can get away with with what he wants to do. He's the president if he does it so be it and the Republicans in on Capitol Hill or are there to support and protect him. So can you talk us through. How the president's President's own lawyers argued that the Senate basically doesn't have the power to to check the president one of the most striking moments in the president's defense came when one of his lawyers? Alan Dershowitz a noted criminal lawyer you've seen him on. TV for years Came to the floor of the Senate and advanced an argument that a lot of legal experts that said was dubious every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest. And mostly right your elections in the public interest. He said if the president does something that will help his reelection therefore is in the best interest of the country and if if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. He cannot be held or rather be impeached for for that action that cannot be the kind of quid pro. Quo that results in impeachment. And so that's a blanket. Excuse use for the president to do what he did with Ukraine but obviously anything else that the president deems to be in the interest of his reelection that is an argument that Dershowitz had to kind of walk back a little bit In in some comments he made the next day and he got a lot of heat from legal scholars who said that's just a completely baloney argument argument with no constitutional grounding but it is indicative. I think of how President Trump himself views his power and views his authority as the president and commander-in-chief founder and chief. Did we see a lot of senators latching onto that argument. A few did Actually the Republican senators of course but a few parroted the Dershowitz line came as a way of defending the president and saying basically he's president he can do whatever he wants for his reelection because getting him reelected is in the best interest of our country. What about the way that? The impeachment trial played out in the Senate. The fact that there were no new documents that there were no witnesses is that likely also to set. Its own kind of precedent for or the way that impeachment is handled in the future. Certainly we've only had an impeachment trial three times in our history and so there's not really a blueprint door protocol. Offer how to go about doing this. And and the Senate leaders along with the chief justice of the Supreme Court to kind of change and adapt the rules as they went along to figure out how this would work mark and the Democrats say this was a complete sham. Trial that Mitch. McConnell designed it from the get-go to move quickly to get to a very fast acquittal to turn the page to save trump into move on with the legislative business not to delve into the details. Not To really scrutinize the evidence. The most surprising thing I think watching the Sahlin fold the last few weeks that John Bolton came forward publicly or at least in the manuscript of his book which leaked out through the media with new information right. He's a first first hand witness to what the president wanted done and Ukraine. He offered to testify before the Senate or at least indicated he would if if asked. Here's somebody who could have come forward to provide a new to account that would have provided new evidence to this case and there was no interest among the Republican majority in the Senate to hear what he had to say. I don't believe the testimony is necessary. The house else managers have a burden of proof a burden of proof to prove their case they had fallen woefully short. We now have allegations from Mr Bolton. I think they would have more credibility if the allegations came from someone else. There is no new information in my opinion based on what John Bolton has known but today in an effort to generate interest in a book have selectively released. Information that that to me doesn't go beyond what we've seen in the seventeen witnesses who've already testify only two. Republican senators voted to allow witnesses. Mitt Romney and and Susan Collins of Maine came to what extent is the Senate giving up the power that they have to oversee the president of provide any kind of check on the president. Give us a sense of the power that's been given up with the smooth you know they've they've been giving up power to this president for three years now in in part because Republicans threat the party live in fear of him. He has such an intensity of support within the Republican base and approval rating among Republicans of eighty to ninety percent and he follows these things very closely and vows to retaliate and shows that he can punish people if they betray him across him. Just ask former Senator Jeff Flake or former senator Bob corker. So there's that fear factor in the Senate and and what they've done to adapt to that is is not to stand up to him not to ever say he's wrong and in turn. They're getting some of their agenda through right. They're getting tax cuts passed. They're getting a lot of conservative. Justices installed hold onto the federal judiciary. They feel like Mitch. McConnell certainly feels like this is an opportunity to advance the conservative agenda but they just need to placate eight trump and played a trump and keep him calm but in so doing they're giving up their power of accountability. And it's certainly not the way that the framers and the founders imagined Dr our system of government working in Democracy Phil Rocker is the White House. Bureau chief for the Post. His new book written with Carol Lennox is called a very stateful genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. It's out in stores now.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"To Ukrainian government is historically an organically corrupt and vice president a rather president Obama place vice president in charge of the farm fairs and two countries Ukraine and China and in both cases in both cases Mister hunter Biden his son walked away with millions and in some cases billions of dollars of contracts now you know the message that was sent to the rest of the world American foreign policy can be like a sack of potatoes that was senator Kennedy and a god it peak to any because these interest any idea because of the microphone because we're in an interview still you leading all the way back you lost concentration I'm good so that that is I mean that brings over there is no way will play that is because there is a legitimate chance not a political it's not a political thing but if you do want to have witnesses that is a legitimate reason to say that you like to see hunter Biden absolutely well you know there are Democrats say Joe Manchin who says that they should absolutely if we're gonna have a trial and nobody cares that it's going to go on for number weeks then yes the president's entitled to make his defense and Adam Schiff is the one who suggested from the very first day in the very first hearing that the president asked Ukraine to make up dirt at that is to fabricate a case out of whole cloth against the bidens with the with the Democrats opening that door the president is absolutely entitled to show he didn't ask them to make up anything he wanted an examination of what they actually did which cried out to be investigated yeah and and we'll see where that goes now hunter Biden takes the stand in the scenario where we find out Friday you'll be on the air the door is gonna be witnesses is there a deal could be cut that we just see Bolton do you think we're gonna would do that in an effort to if they request noble witnesses after Bolden he says I will give any witnesses at all that be deal a blow Makana would cut I look I think Brian that if the price tag on that was you get Bolton but then Friday or Saturday we vote and this is all over and the president can run around the country saying he was exonerated I would take that to heart he would take it okay so if Bolden goes and whatever he says and hunter Biden goes what would stop either one of them from not not bold because he says he was transferred from taking the fifth nothing if you have a if you have fifty member privilege you know ball is their Fifth Amendment privilege if you have or see your your incriminated sure yeah I'm a eat any American it doesn't matter about being on the road if you're asked a question by the authorities where it could provide evidence of be a link in a chain of of incrimination of you yes you can take the fifth just a prediction as we are set to go after these two days and Friday the where we gonna be a Friday what you expected to happen I expect Friday were is going to be consumed with debate over witnesses unless we unless a deal was struck in the next couple of days and I still don't think a deal is unattainable Brian I think the I think that it's obvious it's there on the table I just need to grow up okay I I have a prediction without a bomb shell without a bomb shell no witnesses were done Friday I'll because humor.
Trump impeachment: What you need to know about the Senate trial
"Today. The big news coming out of Washington should have been the presentation of the articles of impeachment. Went to the Senate. The swearing in the chief justice to preside over the trial and of senators to serve impartial. Justice list was eclipsed however by new revelations revelations about trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine policy. Well we've Geoffrey Howard professor of political science at UC L. to come in and bring us up to date with the fast moving eating events have US domestic politics. Thanks so much for joining us. Jeffrey set who is left Pon us and what does he said. So let's partners is an associate of Rudolph Giuliani. Most people remember. Rudy Giuliani as the mayor of New York City. During nine eleven many thought he would go down in American history as one of its most storied figures. Someone who inspired brought the city together but this is a very different Rudolph. Giuliani we see before us in twenty twenty. He is the personal lawyer to the president of the United United States and by all accounts spent the last couple of years going around the world doing the president's bidding doing the president's alleged dirty work and life partners ukrainian-american American is one of his associates. One of his henchmen some have put it Who It seems has been spending quite a bit of time in Ukraine meeting with Ukrainian officials playing playing a key role in trying to pressure The Ukrainian government to fabricator find dirt on Joe Biden which the president could then use to smear near him with if Joe Biden turns out to be his opponent in the upcoming general election? And he's given this this huge interview where he absolutely says that trump knew exactly what it was going on. How credible is he? Well I think he certainly deserves a good amount of skepticism. He is himself under indictment partly for participation in he's very allegedly nefarious activities But what he's saying is corroborated by everything else. We've learned over the past few months. So this trove of voicemail as mail messages and texts in calendar entries demonstrates that there has been a concerted effort by trump's associates by Rudolph Giuliani and and his men To try to pressure the Ukrainian government to cook up this investigation Into into the former vice president Joe Biden That the president has known about it all along that the Attorney General Bill Bar has known about it all along the so many people have suggested that well maybe rudy. Giuliani has been up to no good but maybe the top people in the White House weren't totally sure that he was doing all this. He was just doing it on his own initiative well of left parties right The president has known about this all along then absolutely vital and orchestrating it and some of the elements of this evidence are really striking. Some of them are are handwritten notes scrawled on sheets of paper from the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Vienna And they demonstrate that there was a wide range of tactics that were deployed by eh trump's or rudy Giuliani's men including left in Ukraine. It looks like there may have been in operation to Sir Vail then American ambassador acid to the Ukraine by Rudy Giuliani's own men. So I mean this really is the stuff of a of a movie plot. You really couldn't make it up and inevitably they will be a movie about about the We also heard yesterday that an independent nonpartisan office that works for Congress says the trump administration broke the law when it withheld held military assistance to Ukraine. So what has the Government Accountability Office said. Why does it matter so will it matter that is the question for the US Senate as we approached this This trial So the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office. It's a it's a national watchdog organization and it did indeed find that the decision to withhold military aid for Ukraine dangling over the government in exchange for a promise to look into a Abidin was indeed a violation of the law. Now as we know the president cannot be prosecuted as part of a traditional Legal investigation it. There is a special process. The founding fathers of the United States for better or worse put into place with respect to holding the president legally accountable and that is the the impeachment process. Which of course begins with the House of Representatives? The Lower Chamber of the Congress deciding whether to charge the president with a particular offense Which has done that is why he's been impeached? And then it goes to the Senate to decide Whether to convict him the offense and if they do convict him of the events he will be the I president. US history removed from office. And that is where we are now the opening formalities of the Senate trial of happened. We've had the swearing in of jurors as we know the Senate is controlled told by Donald Trump's party the Republicans will the jurors be impartial. Well that's the big question. We're learning to find out so A month ago Mitch. McConnell the the leader of the Republicans in the Senate said that he didn't intend to be an impartial juror and he emphasized that this is a political process And of course there's a sense of what she's he's right that it is a political process. This isn't a standard ordinary legal process. It is a a decision that the senators get to make for themselves. They get to ask themselves. Do we think that this conduct that the president has engaged in amounts to what the constitution refers to as high crimes in misdemeanors has the president by allegedly abusing. His power demonstrated that he is fundamentally unfit for office such that he ought to be removed. That is not a matter of showing that the president violated highlighted some particular law on the books. It's it is a political judgement but that doesn't mean it has to be a a a narrow minded self interested partisan judgment political judgments can still be moral judgments and so when the chief justice of the United States who very intriguingly to preside over. This whole process swore the senators in in yesterday He got them to swear that they would do impartial. Justice in this context with that means I would argue is that they need to Genuinely we look at the evidence. Look at the facts And that really goes to the question of whether this will be a fair trial because we do not know for sure yet whether there will actually be witnesses called or or whether it will be a very quick process where they have opening statements And then basically closing statements and then it ends because trump had originally said he wanted witnesses. Nice Nice seems to be tons of them. Well it's it's not exactly clear what the president wants here One thing we know for sure is that if the president if we do have witnesses in this process For example the former national security adviser of the United States John Bolton long celebrated and regarded as a very important vigour by Republicans but who is said to have referred to Rudy Giuliani's little inquiry in Ukraine as a as a drug deal that he didn't have anything apart a part of he has said that if he's subpoenaed he'll be willing to testify. No doubt if left parnassus subpoenas. He would testify Now it could be that some of the more. Moderate Republicans pins people like Susan Collins from Maine who are going to rely in their next reelection. On more moderate members of their state voting for them will want to be seen as not just in the tank for trump as somewhat more independently minded Someone like Mitt Romney. For example the senator from Utah also wants to be seen as an indeed is more independently hundley minded. They may well go with Democrats in supporting calling witnesses. You might even get more Republicans than that to support calling pulling witnesses. But then they'll perhaps want include witnesses. That don't seem to have much particularly to do with whether trump is guilty not such as Hunter Biden and so if we start seeing people like Hunter Biden called in this thing could degenerate into a circus quite quickly and I mean such a huge week ahead then for the US and not just for the Republicans for the Democrats. Not Because of course we have Iowa coming up on one of the unintended consequences of this. Trial is the fact that two senators who are also running for the Democratic nomination not table to get on that campaign trail so Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders both needing to be in Washington to actually be at this trial absolutely absolutely and so then. They're going to have to go so there. Of course the two most important ones given their rankings in the polls Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota also needs to participate cle Bennett a senator from Colorado running for president. I saw the other day. He's still running for Pres- wasn't aware that he was still in the race. He hasn't been in the limelight bat. Much of that's four senators that have to Interrupt their campaigns and go back and so might that given a slight edge to South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete Buddha judge and the former former vice president Joe Biden it probably will and just indulge me here in a in a best case justice doing its job no partisan interest Outcome where trump is simply judged on whether he broke the Laura or not and we know he did really How soon could he be gone? Well it could happen quite quickly. So the Clinton trial took just over a month. Um that was in nineteen ninety nine. The previous impeachment was the impeachment of Andrew Johnson in nineteen sixty eight and that took about two months So if you manage to get so there are fifty three Republicans in the Senate. They're forty five Democrats there to independence any two two thirds of the Senate to convict and remove the president from office. Which means you'd need to get the forty five Democrats which you'd get you get the to independence and then you need to get Twenty or so little more more than twenty Republicans To sign on as well and that seems extremely extremely unlikely Because you can get someone like Susan Collins who will be able to say. Well we broaden auden witnesses. We looked at all the evidence and we just decided he was bad with the president. Had but it didn't rise quite to the level of an offense such that we should remove him from office and that might be a way. She's able to save face but if for some reason the political winds change dramatically. Maybe John Bolton gives a dramatic testimony that shifts public opinion radically medically and you do get that twenty those twenty or so senators. Well then trump could be gone within a couple of months Jeffrey. I'm holding my breath. Thank you very much indeed. That's Jeffrey free. How it
Parnas presented to Ukrainians as speaking on Trump's behalf
"You're really at the time was the general. The first thing I did this to introduce myself and tell them I'm here on behalf of really Giuliani beyond the president of the United States. And I'd like to put you on speakerphone for you. Know to confirm which we did we put you on. The phone rudy relate to him basically that we were there on behalf of the president of the United States. And you were there to speak on president. Trump's behalf exhibited those exact words. Mr Parnasse says that when he was taking meetings to advance this scheme taking meetings with various government officials in Ukraine he says it was a regular occurrence. It was the way those meetings started. He would put rudy. Giuliani on phone on the speakerphone in the room and he would say explicitly. Mr Giuliani would say explicitly that as the president's personal attorney he could affirm that left Parnis. was there air at that meeting. In Ukraine to speak on behalf of the President of the United States Donald Trump in May of last year may twenty nineteen. Mr Giuliani started speaking with reporters about his plans to travel himself to Ukraine to try to enlist the Ukrainian government's assistance to help hoped his client president trump. Basically in his re-election effort he said he was going to Ukraine to try to get them to announce investigations into Vice President Biden because that would be very very helpful to his client in the resulting firestorm of criticism. Mr Giuliani's trip was called off in May when he called off the trip. Mr Giuliani Johny made public statements. Criticizing the new government of Ukraine saying that Ukraine's new president was surrounded by enemies of the United States and for Ukraine that it was a really big deal right Ukraine. A country at war with Russia is a country very much dependent on both the reality and the perception of their having strong support from the United States government. And so when Mr Giuliani as the president's personal attorneys started making public claims the new Ukrainian president was surrounded by enemies of the United States of America. That's why he wasn't going to Ukraine at that point. The Ukrainian government kind of freaked out that kind of criticism from the new administration for their new new president in Ukraine. And that's a potential death sentence for their country so at the time that happened left part was in Ukraine in Kiev. At the time all of that happened and he told me today that he was tasked by Rudy Giuliani in that moment to crank up the pressure on the government of Ukraine to make even more insistent and obvious is an even more onerous this threat and this demand that Ukraine must announce investigations into Joe Biden. Or else it. Did you meet with Ukrainian official name. Sergei Schaefer Circuit Schaefer is a very senior aide to presidents Alinsky. It has been reported as far as we understand from public reporting that you conveyed to Mr Schaffer. The exact quid pro bowl that you wanted Celeski Alinsky to announce investigations into Joe Biden or military aid would not be released to Ukraine. Is that accurate. It was a little bit more than that Aw Basically The message that that was supposed to die gave Sergei Schaefer was a very harsh message that was told to be to give it to him in a very harsh way. A not in a pleasant way to give it to harshly mayor Guiliani Rudy told me After a meeting the president the White House he called me. His message was wasn't just military. It was all eight. Basically the relationships would be sour. You would stop giving him any kind of aid that unless that there was an announcement made several several demands at that point a the most important one is the announcement of the bite. Ministration did you also convey convey to him that the US government would stop showing support for mistress Alinsky. They wouldn't attend the inauguration those that was the biggest thing. Actually that was the that was the main Wasn't because at that time you have to understand the way you create now is for presents alinsky winning on that platform being a young president and not really having any experience the number one end being at war with Russia at the time the number one thing for them was not even eight and I know it sounds crazy but it was more of a support for the president resident by having a White House. Visit by having a big inauguration by having all the dignitaries there that was the key and at that time There were already aware because of their Conversations with the I guess what the embassy that President Vice President Pence was supposed to come to the inauguration was already discussed and they were replanning and now they were just working on days. That would be good for him at our meeting. I was very very heated. Conversation from our part to him. Basically telling What needs to be done? I mean basically me and at the at the at in the conversation. I told him that if he doesn't the announcement it was the key at that time because of the nation the pence would not show up. Nobody would show up to his inauguration unless he announced an investigation into Joe Biden No. US officials Dell's particularly vice president. Mike Pence would not come to do so the day after that meeting that you had on the twelfth. Aw I believe it was the following day that in fact vice-president pence is a visit to the inauguration was cancelled after my phone. Call the conversation conversation that I laid out to. Mr Schaffer was basically what I was told to do. By Giuliani of the president. And then afterwards I relate back to them saying that he's going to get back to me later tonight and we're supposed to meet then around eight o'clock or nine o'clock at night. I texted back against saying any word. What's the situation and at that point Because because
Burisma: US firm says Russia hacked company at heart of Trump impeachment
"Of president trump's upcoming impeachment trial says it's been hacked by Russian spies charisma that's the company were hunter Biden served on the board as you recall they were a major player in this impeachment hearing that we all listen to right here on comma when it happened covering this for The Washington Post is national security reporter Ellen Nakashima who joins us on come on news good afternoon hi good to be with you when did this hack of charisma happened did happen to coincide with the impeachment hearings here it began last November which was about the same time that the Congress was doing it in the impeachment enquiring into the president trump and whether he pieces office by seeking a pressure Ukrainian president the land speed into the opening investigations into Joe Biden hunter Biden why verismo because I imagine you know a lot of folks would have liked to see whatever you know they were sending to each other at the time that hunter Biden was there or that president trump may have been communicating with Mr Zelinsky what does this say about Russian motivation so Bruce is a natural gas company in Ukraine that had been under investigation for corruption for a while but in this case the the hunter Biden who Joe Biden's son had been on the board of charisma and at the time when fight boys prison by then when you were still in office he was the point man for the Obama administration on Ukraine issues and he had been pressuring the along with other western allies and the Europeans pressuring the Ukrainian government to clean up corruption intend to root out either corrupt actors including in the prosecutor I was looking at corruption charisma and so he would you prefer that prosecutor to resign leader on president trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani suggested that at that moment that moves are pressuring was was a way to to give his son hunter an advantage and of course president trump wanted to have this information to come out publicly because it would tend to put a a potential twenty twenty opponent in a negative light now is also part of the larger narrative that president trump has been promoting our suggesting is his true which is unfounded in fact that Ukraine not Russia was interfering in the twenty sixteen election in the presidential election yeah the bridge was caught up in a whole yeah okay and so the best hacker wouldn't have left a trace behind how did it come to light that was Russia that hacked into whatever information charisma has well the Russian military spy agency to cheer you has been very active in in in hacking a hero in fact they were hacking the Democratic Party servers in twenty sixteen and then hopefully we can Clinton campaign chairman his email G. email that all came out in in twenty sixteen and the US intelligence agencies concluded that this was done this is part of the concerted effort by the Russian government to to to try to give cannot then candidate trump a hand in in the election and undermine the campaign of Hillary Clinton in in twenty sixteen this spy agency this year you an attacker's now looks like they're active again in the in the twenty twenty campaign and this time they said that their site on company Bristol which they think might have incriminating or embarrassing emails from hunter Biden perhaps that might tend to buttress or vans the argument that trump and usually only have been making about corruption of course we do not know whether these hackers have actually obtained anything of use and whether it so they're going to release it all we know is that the did target in place of a resume the evidently were successful in in getting into their email accounts according to a cyber security company called area one security our list of what they did or didn't find certainly a fascinating fold in all of
Pence to focus on US Iran policy in speech
"The increasingly intriguing question of what did the vice president know. And when did he we know it. Yes the vice president. In the midst of this very high stakes increasingly scary escalation between N- The US government and the nation of Iran were millions of people filled the streets today for the funeral of Qassem Soleimani was essentially seen as the second ranking official in that country. Second most powerful position in that country at least Soleimani was killed in the US air strike last week today. The trump administration announced. What's that they will soon have a public explanation for? What exactly they're doing? And what exactly they're thinking when it comes to Iran but the whole idea. is in terms of explaining their actions and their strategy toward Iran in the wake of this targeted killing now. This explanation from the trump administration as to what their strategy is for Iran. This explanation from the administration is not gonNA come for another week or so and it will not be president trump who gives the country this explanation the critical matter of the utmost and deadliest urgency. They'RE GONNA put off this explanation about what's going on between the US and Iran until next week and it's going to be vice president Mike Pence who gives the speech that is supposed to lay out. US policy toward Iran. And what exactly is going on. And what the strategic not gic thinking was behind this killing of this incredibly revered figure inside Iran why they think the country should wait a a week to get that explanation why it should be vice president. Mike Pence who gives that explanation to US rather than the president himself that remains to be seen. But if the the idea is that there might be less impeachment baggage trailing around after Vice President Mike Pence than there is after president trump and therefore maybe vice president pence might have of a sort of cleaner shot at this issue in the public's mind well maybe that's not true. The question of Vice President Mike Pence is Owned implication in the impeachment scandal is both unresolved and that was sort of back on the front burner. It has been nineteen days since the House voted to impeach president trump for trying to get Ukraine to help him out against Joe Biden for the two thousand twenty election. He wanted announcement from Ukraine that they had Biden under investigation. Impeachment inquiry also found that president trump pressured Ukraine to do that to make that announcement about those investigations by making contingent tinge on the announcement of those investigations. A whole bunch of things that Ukraine wanted including a White House visit for their new president. The impeachment inquiry also found that president trump held up military aid to Ukraine for months while he pressured them to do this domestic political favor for him. I honestly can't believe it's only been one thousand nine days Since the house impeach trump doesn't feel like it's been nineteen months it's been nineteen days and in that brief period in the less than three weeks weeks it has been since he got impeached. We've continued to get new evidence and new information about the scheme for which the president was impeached including a reported communication from the Office of Management and Budget in the White House to a Pentagon official in which the White House official assured. Dod It was president trump personally who was insisting on holding up Ukraine's military aid and a communication reported by Cape Brennan Adjust Security. That ownby official tells tells the Defense Department quote Clear Direction from Portis inning president of the United States to hold the Ukraine aid since the the House vote to impeach president trump. We've also seen new evidence in new documentation of this intense conflict and intense concern within the administration shen that president trump ordering a hold on that military aid to Ukraine was in fact illegal. So here for example is that same defense official who just assured by the the White House that the money was being withheld on direct orders from the president. Here's that same defense official writing thereafter to the office of the Secretary of Defense to the Defense Secretary's chief of staff she says quote do you believe dod is adequately protected from what may happen as the result of the Ukraine obligation. Pause as in. We all know this is illegal. Are we prepared for what's going to happen to us at the Defense Department here if we do this illegal thing that has been directly ordered by the president. So here's what's fascinating in response to that email which was sent from somebody in the Pentagon controller's office to the Defense Secretary's chief of staff are we adequately protected from what may happen as as a result of this right in response to that email to the defense secretary's chief of staff the Defense Secretary's Chief of staff writes back and he says this quote Ukrainian. PM speaks with the vice. President of the United States. Veep Otis on Tuesday. We expect the issue to get resolved that. Why do you expect the issue to be resolved that in fact the Tuesday following that email September first vice president and Mike Pence did meet with the leader of Ukraine? They met in Europe. They met in Warsaw. That's where we got this incredible footage of that room and who was there were you can see all of these people in that room whose careers have blown up and whose lives have changed a lot as a result the result of this scandal. You can see them all in the same shot. I mean in that meeting on the American side of the room. There's Energy Secretary Rick. Perry who of course suddenly submitted his resignation right right as the scandal broke open right next to him is national security adviser John Bolton who also suddenly submitted his resignation right as the scandal broke open right right next to the same row. There's ambassador Gordon Sunland. Who became a star witness in the impeachment inquiry testifying under oath that? Oh yes there was a quid pro quo and it was ordered by President trump. Just behind him in the second row there's Jennifer Williams who was the top Ukraine adviser to Vice President Pence who also became a star impeachment inquiry witness also in that same row. Tim Morrison the top Russia expert on the National Security Council who then himself suddenly announced his resignation on the eve of him also becoming an impeachment inquiry witness and next to him back there in the corner national security official named Earl Matthews who also so work on Ukraine issues who also suddenly left his post as this scandal broke open. I mean who's left within a few weeks of this meeting. In some cases within a few days of this meeting like everybody in that room had their life changed and or their career ended and and now we know from these internal administration documents and communications. That have been revealed in the one thousand nine days since the impeachment vote. We now know that after weeks. Six of freak out inside the administration over president trump holding up this military aid after president trump asking questions about that military aid after him directing the holdup up of the aid after him being advised by everybody in the national security apparatus that he himself appointed that he had to let go with hold on the military aid but he still refused to do so after all of the explicit arguments. We know that happened within the administration that to hold up that aid much longer would constitute a criminal act. We now know. I know that after all those weeks and months of consternation and conflict and concern and CYA inside the administration. We know right before vice president pence went and took this meeting at the highest levels of the Defense Department. The chief of staff to the Secretary of Defense was reassuring other officials inside the Pentagon. Oh don't worry. This is going to be over soon when Mike Pence takes that meeting was the Linski on Tuesday. It's all GonNa get sorted. Why do they think it was all going to get sorted? President trump was just impeached for demanding that Ukraine give him investigations into Joe Biden. That would help two minutes twenty twenty reelection effort and conveying to Ukraine. That they wouldn't get there. No much needed military aid until they made that commitment to do those investigations. So you won't get the military aid unless you agree to do those investigations announce publicly. You're doing those investigations are. You're never gonna see that military aid. We now know that in the defense secretaries office. They thought that that would all click into place as soon as this meeting between Mike Prints and the Ukrainian president took place so it was Mike Pence who was supposed to personally get the assurance from the Ukrainian government at that meeting that they were going to announce the investigations. Because that was the deal right. That's what everybody was waiting. They can't get the military aid until they announced the investigations. Don't worry they'll be able to get the military aid as soon as Mike Pence has that meeting. And that's what they were waiting on right at least according to the chief of staff to the Secretary of defense man man. Whose name is Eric Tuning? He put it in writing. Don't worry this will. All End. Wants Mike Pence takes that meeting. So says Eric Tuning Defense Secretaries Chief of Staff Eric. Tuning the defense secretary staff has just suddenly resigned his job his resignation announced today on the same day that former national security adviser John Bolton again is right there in the room for that meeting and again resigned suddenly without much explanation right right in the middle of the scandal right. As the Ukraine aid was finally being released and the whistleblower complaint was finally being processed and heading toward Congress John Bolton today released a statement saying if he is subpoenaed in the impeachment trial of president trump. He will appear and testify all the Senate is now back in accession. We don't yet know how the Senate is going to proceed with the impeachment trial for President Trump but obviously John Bolton's declaration that he will testify if summoned. He will will testify at the president's impeachment trial in the Senate if they send him a subpoena obviously raises the stakes on the Republican efforts in the Senate to try to a whole the impeachment trial without hearing from any witnesses
Ukraine, eastern rebels swap prisoners in move to end war
"Ukrainian government forces and Russian backed rebels in eastern Ukraine exchanged prisoners today a move aimed at ending a five year long war that's killed more than fourteen thousand people the swap is part of an agreement brokered earlier
With Prisoner Swap, Ukraine’s President Inches Toward Peace With Separatists
"A prisoner swap underway between Ukraine and pro Russian separatists Ukrainian government forces have been battling with separatists in eastern Ukraine for five years Russian news agencies said the two sides of started in all for all prisoner swap in which all remaining prisoners would be sent home Russian leader Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian president balata Mears's Lansky made the swap agreement earlier this month
Giuliani, Facing Scrutiny, Travels to Europe to Interview Ukranians
"Three law. Professors made clear. During the lengthy session that they believed trump's actions constituted suited impeachable offenses trump has denied wrongdoing. Democrats who control the House of Representatives may vote by the end of the year on impeachment. Charges he's that could include abuse of power bribery obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice. The Republican controlled Senate would have to vote to remove trump from power republicans in both chambers. Have stuck with the president blasting the impeachment effort as an attempt to undo. He surprise victory in the two thousand sixteen election. Even as Democrats intensified their scrutiny. This week of Rudy Giuliani's role in the pressure campaign against the Ukrainian Ukrainian government. Mr Giuliani the president's personal lawyer
Apple slammed for marking Crimea as part of Russia
"This week iphone users on on the Crimean Peninsula noticed something different to APPs from apple maps and weather now label Crimea as Russian territory. Russia took over the peninsula from Ukraine. Crane in two thousand fourteen. Much of the world still does not recognize the annexation in the rest of Ukraine Crimea remains labeled as Ukrainian territory on the two apple APPs. The Ukrainian government though is denouncing
Trump likely to reject Democrats' offer to appear in impeachment inquiry hearings
"Into it resident drop IT spending the holiday at Mar a Lago in Florida is the house impeachment inquiry heats up sources tell CBS news he'll probably rejected Democrats offered to appear on the house Judiciary Committee starts hearings next week here's correspondent Skyler Henry president trump wished Americans a happy thanksgiving on Twitter as house Democrats prepared for the next steps into the impeachment inquiry a New York times reports suggest the president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani discussed lucrative business deals with Ukrainian government officials while he was working with them to investigate the bidens but in a statement Wednesday Giuliani's lawyer said bottom line is he did not seek any business and turned down the business that saw him Giuliani's pursuits in Ukraine and how much of it occurred with the president's knowledge are central to the house impeachment inquiry into the president Skyler Henry CBS
Rudy Giuliani was in talks to be paid by then–Ukraine prosecutor: report
"Breaking news rudy. Giuliani reportedly tried to cash in to the tune of half a million dollars on Ukraine. While digging reading for dirt on Joe Biden
Fiona Hill gives nation and Republicans stark warning
"A former White House adviser on Russia delivered more than just riveting testimony in the president's impeachment inquiry A. P. that Jackie Quinn reports she also had a warning for the U. S. about Russian election interference doctor Fiona hill is an expert on Russia who served on the president's National Security Council she expressed disapproval about the trump administration was pushing Ukraine's new president and she urged lawmakers to stop saying that you crane might have been meddling in the U. S. selection of twenty sixteen but if used to be part of an effort to legitimize an alternate narrative that the Ukrainian government is a U. S. address three of the Ukraine not Russia talked in twenty sixteen president trump has been part of that narrative she warns that Russia is currently working to interfere in the twenty twenty election and that's where Washington spoke it should be we must not let domestic politics stop us from defending ourselves against the foreign powers who truly
Impeachment hearing takeaways: A ‘domestic political errand’
"Dr Fiona hill is an expert on Russia who served on the president's National Security Council she expressed disapproval about the trump administration was pushing Ukraine's new president and she urged lawmakers to stop saying that you crane might have been meddling in the U. S. selection of twenty sixteen but if used to be part of an effort to legitimize an alternate narrative the Ukrainian government is a U. S. address three of the Ukraine not Russia talked in twenty sixteen president trump has been part of that narrative she warns that Russia is currently working to interfere in the twenty twenty election and that's where Washington spoke it should be we must not let domestic politics stop us from defending ourselves against the foreign powers who truly wishes harm Jackie Quinn Washington
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WRVA
"The Ukrainian government didn't know their military and was on hold at the time president trump and his phone call with the president you crane congressman Jim Jordan says this shows there was no pressure this was a very good day for the truth a very good day for the president United States good day for the country new uncertainty hangs over the democratic presidential race is ten candidates with on the debate stage tonight and Lana no longer is there a clear front runner and new candidates are joining the race the the default Patrick nor Michael Bloomberg will participate tonight it was only last month the US withdrew troops of north east Syria and Turkey lost an invasion along its border turning the courage to and work to regain the territory ISIS and claimed lives of the Wagner reports a new government report says ISIS is now working to take advantage of recent events in Syria now with a reduced ability for the U. assets partner forces to conduct operations against the terror group a new report from the Pentagon's watchdog for the war says that isis will try to reconstitute its operations inside Syria the defense intelligence agency even saying in the report that a reduction in US and Kurdish counterterrorism efforts inside Syria will give ISIS quote the time and space to expand its ability to conduct trans national attacks targeting the west Elizabeth McLaughlin ABC news one person has been looked a Virginia man has been accused by the feds in Florida I'm trying to help ISIS with bomb making videos Matt deadline has that story one verse minutes been looking around me Langhorne for a while and twenty fourteen they say he posted support prices on Facebook and has two Twitter accounts with jihadi in the name he's accused here of telling an undercover agent what was necessary to make an explosive so that person could great for him a video of how to do it Langhorne then allegedly posted the video he's charged in Florida where he lived until April when he moved to be near family outside Roanoke Langhorne also allegedly posted extremist videos on you too nat damn line news radio W. R. your next news at eight o'clock news on demand it news radio W. R. V. A. dot com I'm Gerry has on.
Giuliani associate said he was on a 'secret mission' for Trump
"CNN also reporting today that an associate of the president's lawyer Rudy guiliani is claiming he was on a secret mission for Mr trump left harnesses been indicted on campaign finance charges that he had a private meeting with the president in guiliani at a White House Hanukkah party last year and was sent out to help pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the bidens White House not commenting on this Giuliani's lawyer those as parties didn't have any private meeting but does have delusions of
In reversal, Mulvaney says he won't sue over impeachment probe subpoena
"Public testimony is scheduled to begin tomorrow in the house impeachment probe of president trump but it's unclear if a top White House adviser will be questioned fox's John decker's live at the White House in a reversal acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney as indicated in a court filing that he does not plan to pursue litigation regarding the deposition subpoena issued to him by the US house of representatives instead Mulvaney will rely on the direction of the president in not appearing for the congressional deposition earlier this week Mulvaney withdrew a last minute effort to join a lawsuit filed by former national security adviser John Bolton's top deputy Charles Kupperman veiny is seen by congressional Democrats as a key participant and president trump's alleged effort to pressure the Ukrainian government to pursue investigations into his political
Democrats release transcripts of testimony from three officials ahead of first impeachment inquiry public hearing
"Releasing a trove of impeachment transcripts. Tonight and they tell this story. Trump and his defenders withholding withholding crucial aid to Ukraine in an effort to please Russia Catherine Kroft the current special adviser for Ukraine negotiations telling lawmakers the president's Acting Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney had the office of Management and budget put a hold on delivering javelin missiles to Ukraine. Because Mulvaney was concerned quote that Russia Russia would react negatively to the provision of javelin to Ukraine to be clear the story Mulvaney bending over backwards for Russia when according to cross testimony all other parts of the US government involved in the javelin deal supported it. Also tonight we're learning. Christopher Anderson a career foreign service officer testified the president's special envoy to Ukraine believed Rudy Giuliani quote was an obstacle to improving relations and putting pressure on Russia. And there's a third erred testimony that we are seeing tonight for the first time. From top Pentagon official Laura Cooper the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense telling lawmakers about a meeting back in July where officials raised raised concerns about whether it was illegal for trump to withhold crucial military aid for Ukraine in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden Cooper. Saying immediately deputies begin into raise concerns about how this could be done in a legal fashion. That's a quote from the testimony. So what is president trump saying about these three transcripts that we are seeing tonight well. He tweeted twice today. That Congressman Adam. Schiff is fabricating the transcripts. Which of course is false? These are the transcript. Republicans have been in these hearings. They've been asking questions and not one. Republican has come forward to say say that Democrats have lied and Dr Transcripts. It's an absurd claim this is all unfolding of course. Trump is about to face the biggest threat to his presidency in less less than forty eight hours. Democrats will take their case for impeachment public holding the first historic public televised hearing with Bill Taylor. Trump's top diplomat in Ukraine. Remember right it was Taylor who laid out that evidence of quid pro quo testimony that for some Republicans was a game changer. Kaitlan Collins is traveling with the president tonight and she is out front live in New New York. That's where the president is outside trump tower. This evening Caitlyn so You know I mentioned those tweets but how is the president feeling tonight with these public hearings looming the president and his football days indoors inside trump tower here behind me ever since he gave those remarks the veteran's Day parade earlier today tonight. He's lashing out repeating that claim that he believes. Democrats are putting out Dr Transcripts even though as you noted Republicans who were in the room for those closed-door testimonies have disputed the accuracy of them but the president it is also seeming to let the deadline slip on. When he's going to release the transcript of his first call with the Ukrainian president something that he told me on Saturday? He was going to be doing tomorrow now he just says it's going to happen sometime this week. Now Aaron that's coming. Something really notable is happening with his chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney who was attempting to join this lawsuit filed by the former deputy national security advisor. Who's essentially asking the courts to decide? Does he have to listen to house. Democrats or the White House when it comes to testifying on Capitol Hill. Charlie Kupperman said he didn't want vein essentially to be on that lawsuit. He didn't think the same reasons given that he was a national security official. WHO's no longer in the administration and Mick Mulvaney? Any isn't a national security official who still works in the White House tonight. We're learning that Mick. MULVANEY plans to file his own lawsuit asking the courts to decide whether or not he has to respond to that subpoena subpoena on Capitol Hill an errand. That's notable not only because he's the chief of staff who still works president trump but also because of the role he played in that White House letter. Remember that eight page letter. They publish essentially telling White House. Officials not to comply with any requests from Democrats giving them protection essentially not to. Now Mick. Mulvaney wants to leave that decision sued for him in the court's hands. All right CAITLIN. Thank you very much. And I WANNA Democratic Congressman Gerry Connolly. Now he sits on both the the House Foreign Affairs and oversight. Committee's congressman. Lots to talk about tonight obviously But I want to start with some of this new information that we're getting from transcripts Cooper Testified Lark Cooper. That is that. There was concerned withholding aid from Ukraine. Was Not even legal. Do you believe from everything you've seen from being in the room. From seeing these transcripts the president trump's administration was indeed breaking the law We're GONNA have to obviously IMO. That one over. I believe the president broke the law in extorting The president of another country By withholding the military aid I believe given the fact the congress wanted this lethal military aid including the javelin is to go to Ukraine the president ignoring it suspending it is in a very questionable suitable area. But there's no question that by withholding the aid for the purpose of extortion. That was an illegal act so so in the newly released transcripts and other thing. We're learning right from Catherine craft. In this case. She testified that Mulvaney was concerned and I quote from her testimony that Russia would react the negativity to the provision of javelin to Ukraine. And she also of course says that every other you know administration unit was involved supported Providing these chaplains to to Ukraine so You know how what is there any situation. Okay let me put it this way congressman or any situation in which this would be true that they would have withheld this because they they were concerned about Russia's reaction that makes sense to you know in fact it's actually a repugnant thought. Javelin missiles are are very effective. Antitank weapons the Russians and their paramilitary forces have tanks and other military equipment in active combat in the eastern part of Ukraine. Ukrainian government wanted those javelin missiles to defend itself to protect itself for Mick Mulvaney. The the president's Acting Chief of staff to be concerned about the Russian reaction as opposed to the need of Ukraine's government is You know a warped sense of values and really a a Har- finding thing to contemplate that somebody so senior and our government would put Russia's concerns ahead of the those of our ally Ukraine. So you mentioned Mick Mulvaney and of course he's now saying tonight. Radio joined a lawsuit for with John. Bolton's deputies now he's now how out he's going to file his own lawsuit to let the judge decide whether that he needs to honor your subpoena and testify in the impeachment inquiry. And I just WanNa make sure you know first of all any lawsuit would take time. You made it clear you're going to go ahead and you don't need his testimony. Does this change anything for you or are you going to wait for the court to decide on this. We're not no in fact Some of the subpoenas has you know were withdrawn so that we're not held up in litigation in the courts which just take way too much time. We need to address this and address this in real human timeframes. I will say that the craziness continues for the president today to assert assert based on nothing. The transcripts were doctored and don't really reflect the deposition of the witnesses. We heard from and by the way those transcripts reviewed by those witnesses and their attorneys before they're released for accuracy but secondly of course to have the chief of staff of the president actually suing doing his own White House to get a decision about whether or not he's Required to respond to Congressional demand for testimony or the White House Directive. It really brings us into all new territory in terms of
"ukrainian government" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN
"Made excellent points on impeachment Hey what's not being talked about a memo from the United States Senate dated may fourth twenty eighteen to Mr Yuri Lutsenko the general prosecutor. in the office of the prosecutor general of Ukraine dear Mr prosecutor general we are writing to express great concern about reports that your office has taken steps to impede cooperation with the investigation of United States special counsel Robert Muller as strong advocates for real besting Carlos relationship with Rick Ukraine we believe that our cooperation should extend to such a legal matters regardless of politics. we respectfully request that you reply to this letter answering the following questions. has your office taken any steps to restrict Whopper ation with the investigation by special counsel Robert Muller if so why. any individual from the trump administration or anyone acting on its behalf encourage Ukrainian government or law enforcement officials not to cooperate with the investigation by special counsel Robert Muller and three was the molar probe raised in any way during discussions between your government in U. S. officials including around the meeting of presidents trump in poorer sienko in New York in twenty seventeen sincerely Robert Melendez. Richard J. Durbin Patrick Leahy United States. senators. in other words. they were asking the Ukrainian government. to investigate Donald Trump. they were asking for cooperation in an ongoing investigation in this suppose it corruption by the trump administration. in what way is that at all different. from what trump was asking in that July twenty fifth phone call. I'll hang up and listen in the meantime let's go out to the phones and talk to Dustin on the Dan o'donnell show what's going on Dustin good morning follow up doing good I just hated the all listed in everything and especially that guy still a pocket of all all is in this word being investigated the guy is you're all sitting there talking about how trump should be investigated for this then totally disregarding. all everything else of all all Biden Biden has an obvious. audio recorded call call. and trump has then you could stretch it out in the maybe a Procol depending on how you think sure ed just don't understand it it is the Barker theists well here's the thing Dustin I think you went online. both would agree Hey yeah sure this thing does deserve a little bit more scrutiny the question of whether president trump was actually putting pressure on the Ukrainian president as a condition of receiving foreign aid by the way has anybody raise the question about how much richer the United States would be if we weren't giving four hundred million dollars to countries like the Ukraine I I mean I've got nothing against Ukraine my sister in law in fact is ucrania. and I love her very dearly but you don't look for four hundred million dollars actually I take that back if all of that money was going to my sister in law Ruslan up that would be the only way I would support four hundred million offers to the Ukraine it's it's it's it's insane about hearing all this to hold my gosh and how dare truck have a condition what the United States is just supposed to give money without any without getting anything in return we're just both to blindly hand over money this is okay with Dustin do you have kids yeah but I got had one full year. I I mean I've not that you have young kids don congratulations on on your ten month old a I'm sure they're very beautiful but when they grow up you're gonna give them an allowance right you're gonna give him money you're gonna give even if it's not allowed even if it's not specifically conditioned upon them doing chores you're gonna give him money for lunch you're gonna give him money for toys you're going to take him to the zoo and all this stuff right I already do all right you do once they get old enough to start folding their laundry in making their beds that's going to be a condition of them continuing to ride the gravy train of Daddy Dustin giving money and taking them to theme parks and all that sort of stuff right yeah how the hell is it any different than the United States saying you don't we're giving you four hundred million Bucks can can you do us a solid here if there's no explicit quid pro quo and there was nothing thank you very much Dustin and out. I'd love to see a picture of your beautiful family I dived I'm teasing that I've checked out I wanted I wanted his kids to be older so I could use them as an example. that. this is how these agreements are done this is the way fifty international cooperation and treaties and all of this that both sides get something that they want. and the transcript was released and and this is to me this is the extent of the investigation okay we look at the transcript we talk to the president of Ukraine whether there was any sort of pressure there was any sort of explicit you will investigate Joe Biden for political reasons or else. you can see in probably twenty minutes I would urge you to read the whistle blower complaint read the transcript of the call. and then make up your own mind. the greatest danger that we have in all of this is that. we just have millions of people who rely on a media that can't be relied upon to give the entire story I opened up the show with a. montage of how the media was actually treating this how the media was actually just glossing over the fact that the favorite that trump was asking for this phone call wasn't investigate Joe Biden it was let's work together our two countries you cried in the United States to root out corruption. both you and I presidents Lansky were elected to do this now let's work hand in hand in doing this but the media in relaying this information for the millions of people who didn't take the time to read the transcript for the millions of people are just relying on the media to give them the whole story. the media did the president repeatedly stresses how much the U. S. does for Ukraine and then he says quote I would like you to do us a favor the president asks Zelinsky to dig up dirt on Biden and his son hunter. hello I'm good interrupt just a second there are five hundred forty words in between those but the implication from CNN is that the favor was dig up dirt on mine. you never said Dr. he said looking for a leader of a foreign country to work with his personal attorney Rudy guiliani and is a G. William Barr to investigate the bidens he said will you do me a favor and investigate vice president Biden's son we do me a favor and get involved in the twenty twenty election vice president Biden is my chief political opponent you can always rely on Katy tur to give the most ridiculous possible spin on any given story great email here from Linda says president trump bass the Ukraine president to look into the matter with biting he didn't say dig up dirt the dictionary meaning of look into is given below. if a person or organization is looking into a possible course of action problem or situation they are finding out about it and examining the facts relating to it. trump is asking for fact finding the Ukraine president could find that Biden did nothing wrong just as much as he could have found that corruption did in fact occur. that is a fantastic email by Linda the new ones have that. is important here he didn't say. investigate Biden. figure out what he did said look into despite is bragging about a quid pro quo that sounds pretty darned corrupt to me..
"ukrainian government" Discussed on Anderson Cooper 360
"President Trump's television lawyer Rudy Giuliani says he'll travel to Ukraine shortly to meet that nation's newly elected president. Now, that's about the only thing that straightforward in tangled story of twenty twenty politics and former vice president Biden three sixties indicate now with the strange Roadman all I want to Ukrainian government to do is investigate. And don't let these people buffalo you Rudy Giuliani has questions and he's hoping to find the answers in Ukraine drawing, yet another foreign nation into a US election. The president's lawyer wants to know whether or not Joe Biden used his political power is vice president to shut down investigation into Ukrainian company, his son hunter, Biden was working with big story or two dramatic story. And I guarantee you Joe Biden will not get to election day without this being investigated. It will be a massive scandal. Giuliani says he stumbled upon the Biden story while investigating Democrats alleged efforts to spread misinformation about Trump he claimed to CNN that in two thousand sixteen as part of a broad anti-corruption push by the US, then vice president Biden pressure the Ukrainian government to oust its top. Prosecutor. He claims that prosecutor was investigating Ukrainian company called barista holdings, a natural gas company, which Biden son hunter was on the board of after that prosecutors removal Ukraine's new prosecutor dismissed the case against the company. There is no evidence that Joe Biden acted improperly. In fact, Bloomberg reports the Ukrainian government's case against barista. The company had been dormant since two thousand fourteen that would have been two years before Biden push to remove the prosecutor Giuliani told the New York Times which first reported the story, he's not meddling in an election. But he's met. Meddling in an investigation, which he said he has the right to do. He claimed there's nothing illegal about it. And this isn't foreign policy Giuliani says he's planning to visit Kiev to dig deeper his efforts to entangle yet another foreign nation in our elections isn't lost on those in Washington investigating the president come to a very sorry state when it considered okay for an American politician never mind, an attorney for the president to go and seek foreign intervention in American politics Giuliani is also calling for the department of Justice to investigate Biden and says the president agrees, but if the goal in all of this is to damage Biden's campaign. The candidate hardly seems bothered the Biden campaign referred CNN to a statement it had given to the New York Times claiming Biden acted on Ukraine without any regard for how it would or would not impact his sons business interests. Randi Kaye, C N N New York still head another community, grieving after another mass shooting a brave young man killed eight others wounded, they aren't the only victims their families and friends are now living with grief that you can imagine we want to introduce you to a couple coming up who know their pain. And now make it their mission to help survivors find the purpose and strength to live what they call their new normal. And it's a story. You don't wanna miss next. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN..
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Complex, the bodies of some of the monks. He said here over the centuries lawyer gloss cases here actually, see some of their mummified fingers and toes pointing out from underneath the shrouds. And the issue here is that the land is owned by the agrarian government. But the monastery is controlled by the Russian Orthodox church. What will happen if the Ukrainian government tells you you have to hand over to the new cranium orthodox Jewish? Father Clement is from the Russian Orthodox church in Kiev. Yeah. Roseland said this new church that calls itself. The orthodox church of Ukraine, isn't legal and isn't recognized by other churches apart from the Constantinople patriarchy. And if it does take place it can be done in the same way in which Stalin, and Lenin seize the property of the orthodox church, and that's the line that's come from Moscow to the creation of this new church is illegitimate and the nakedly political ploy by Ukraine's leaders. What is the church? It's the church without Putin. That's Petropars Shinko Ukraine's president, sir. What is the church? It's a church without the Russian authorities and the Russian army because they kill Ukrainian. Green president Pora Shinko has very deliberately placed himself in the front row of Ukraine's March towards the Thomas..
"ukrainian government" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"To educate as many people as i can about ukraine and the dnc and the clinton campaign and about fusion gps and about the phony dossier and how a lot of the information came from the russians to this christopher steel guy how come oh me wanted a higher mnr how the democrats repeated it even now adam shift in large part i don't know anyone else that's covering it had to respond to the democrats getting help from ukraine this weekend listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton loss i understand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian efforts but was it acceptable or unacceptable well for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no we would vote for democrats to accept tell from ukrainian government of i think if you look at the political article were talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russian state is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that ukrainian president directed ukraine intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down is represented sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in wish the indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of the scale as firm acknowledge that this is problematic as did this ukraine meetings problematic and it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank improperly funded very different degree of seriousness and involvement case by a foreign government that's.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WSB-AM
"The clinton campaign an about fusion gps and about the phony dossier and how a lot of the information came from the russians to this christopher steel guy how colmey wanted a higher emina how the democrats repeated it even now adam schiff in large part because i don't know anyone else that's covering it had to respond to the democrats getting help from ukraine this weekend listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton loss enter stand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian effort but was it acceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no would visa program the democrats to accept help from ukrainian government of but i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians the is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president directed ukraine intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down its represent sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of the scale as firm acknowledged that this is problematic as did this ukraine meetings problematic and euro oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery the with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank uh improperly but a very different degree of seriousness and involvement in this case by a foreign government that's wrong that last part is wrong because what if anything it had a big impact on the campaign they went after manafort in a contributed to manafort league leaving they also have real collusion that from ukraine the ambassador the dnc operative paid to the dnc to the.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WHO NewsRadio 1040 AM
"Back a little bit here because i decided okay i'm so sick and tired of the media doublestandard and a made up conspiracy theory that has been going on for eleven months so i've decided to educate as many people as i can about ukraine and the dnc and the clinton campaign an about fusion gps and about the phony dossier and how a lot of the information came from the russians to this christopher steel guy how cold me wanted a higher emina how the democrats repeated it even now adam shift in large part because i don't know anyone else that's covering it had to respond to the democrats getting help from ukraine this weekend listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton lost understand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian efforts but was it acceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no when via program the democrats to accept help from ukrainian government of but i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians dan is not comparable to anything else that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president directive ukraine intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down its representatives sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they the indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of the scale as different acknowledged that this is problematic as did this ukrainian meetings problematic in euro oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WHO NewsRadio 1040 AM
"So we offer news and information that i know you can't get elsewhere we have real evidence real collusion real meetings a real foreign power wanting to impact our elections and making every effort to do so and then that information with a pay dnc staffer passed on of the clinton campaign and passed on the dnc well even adam schiff had to admit it's wrong this weekend but none of this would happen if i don't beat the living crap out of these stories hannity of being repetitive you talked about it yesterday at because noone also pick it up if i do a one day hit and run its them important you gotta keep hammering these things listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton loss i understand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian effort but was inacceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no when the probe of democrats to except health from the ukrainian government of but i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians there is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president directive ukrainian tela gents agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down its represent sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of the scale assit firm acknowledge that but this is problematic as the crimean meetings problematic and your oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank improperly but a very different degree of seriousness on involvement in this case by a foreign government.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WTVN
"If you see something suspicious say something to local authorities so we offer the news and information that i know you can't get elsewhere we have real evidence real collusion real meetings a real foreign power wanted an impact our elections and making every effort to do so and then that information with a pay dnc staffer passed on the clinton campaign an passed on to the dnc well even adam schiff had to admit it's wrong this weekend but none of this would happen if i don't beat the living crap out of these stories hannity you're being repetitive you talked about it yesterday at because noone also pick it up if i do a oneday hit and run it's important if you gotta keep hammering these things listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton loss i understand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian effort but was it acceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no we wouldn't be appropriate the democrats to accept help from ukrainian government of but i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians there is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president the directive ukraine intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them directed a social media army to influence the election and sat down its representatives sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of a scale as different acknowledge that this is problematic as did this ukrainian meetings problematic in euro l it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing bank robbery with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank improperly but a very different degree of seriousness.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on KTRH
"Information came from the russians to this christopher steel guy how colmey wanted a higher him and our how the democrats repeated it even now adam schiff in large part because i don't know anyone else that's covering it had to respond to the democrats getting to help from ukraine this weekend listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton law center stand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian efforts but was it acceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign unknown when via for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government of i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians did is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president directive ukraine intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down its represented sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude for the scale acknowledged that this is problematic as did this ukrainian meetings problem matic and your oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank uh improperly flood of very different degree of seriousness and involvement in this case by a foreign government that's wrong that last part is wrong because what if anything it had a big impact on the campaign they went after manafort in a contributed to manafort leaving they also have real collusion that from ukraine the ambassador the dnc operative paid to the dnc to the.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on 1410 WDOV
"How a lot of the information came from the russians to this christopher steel guy how colmey wanted a higher in now how the democrats repeated it even now adam schiff in large part because i don't know anyone else that's covering it had to respond to the democrats getting help from ukraine this weekend listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton loss i understand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian effort but was it acceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to except help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no when the for the democrats to accept help from ukrainian government of but i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians did it is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president directive ukraine intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down its a sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of the scale asip firm acknowledge that but this is problematic as did this ukraine meetings problematic and your oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check within selfish russian funds both appropriate money from the bank uh improperly flood of very different degree of seriousness and involvement in this case by a foreign government that's wrong that last part is wrong because what if anything it had a big impact on the campaign they went after manafort in a contributed to manafort leaving they also have real collusion that from you crane the ambassador the dnc operative paid to the dnc to the clinton campaign and that information was used verses ed a twenty minute non nonmeeting so it's a big differences in burma rip difference but but let let me lauck things but late hall bombardie who doesn't have legal framing you have to look up whether they're finish of collusion move let america i'm a proud american america thing because of.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WBSM 1420
"The jenin unsure what was it acceptable or wouldn't have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government is kept no with the probe of the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government of what i think if you look at the political article were talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians did is not comparable to anything in that article captured the power i watched cartoons growing up i remember and bowling call cartoons porous in the taj chef jake must be something often we can do today it was a little use that the russians even a whole different dynamic over the cold war appeared in what the grants anybody went to public school got decent written grades on their report card his studied history unity angle with russia goram swabs hacks moon perhaps it's our our eight four four five hundred forty two forty two we just change the poll questioned we don't do have very often but that seemed appropriate to what change to woohoo cider you want him coulter's or delta's so if you want to get a vote again on the poll question we just we just read that it and we were to take some calls on this and of better seems like i will getting they lose with text messages about this uh you know with who was right who was wrong so world will will you will you do to trump line in the in the poll questioned here this i like my if it will take a couple of the will do a couple of segments on ann coulter the delta a brouhaha and then we'll do hatemail monday at the end of the hour okay eight four four five hundred forty two forty two that's the number to call for the trump blind the trump point when you get their press to win your phone is answered and you could now leave your message the any hour of the day or night we may or may not play your message at this time each weekday the trump line is brought to you every weekday at this time by matthews brothers whose main made when those are available only through better lumber yards.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WRVA
"The democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign no would approve of darkness darkest except help from the ukrainian government of i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article for scale of what the russians did is not comparable to anything in that article if it were the comparable analogy would be the ukrainian president directive ukrainian intelligence agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them director the social media army to influence the election and sat down is represented sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of the scale assit firm acknowledged that that this is problematic as the crimean meetings problematic and your oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank improperly but a very different degree of serious nisa involvement in this case by a foreign government that is all political spin is that will not as whole elaborate well know the differences foreign government wanting they impact our election pay dnc staffer meeting ukrainian ambassador at the embassy the cranium ends art disseminating false information and doing research for the republicans i mean for the democrats and the dnc paid operative is passing it on to the clintons and the clinton campaign and the the dnc so it's far worse everything that he made up we we dole no it's everything schiff said is assuming that the dnc hack happened by the russians the emails happened by the russians we ever proven that yet i'm thinking there might be some disgruntled bernie people out there that might have been responsible but we'll see over time won't we let's wait and see.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on WLAC
"Foreign power wanting to impact our elections and making every effort to do so and then that information with a pay dnc staffer passed on of the clinton campaign and passed on to the dan say well even adam schiff had to admit it's wrong this weekend but none of this would happen if i don't beat the living crap out of these stories hannity of being repetitive you talked about it yesterday at because no one else will pick it up if i do a one day hit and run its employ horton if you've gotta keep hammering these things listen let me ask you i understand hillary clinton lost understand this effort was not as elaborate as as as the russian effort but was inacceptable or wouldn't been unacceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainian government in this campaign unknown when the approach tell from ukraine ukrainian government but i think if you look at the political article and we're talking about just a a single article here if you accept all the facts in the article the scale of what the russians there is not comparable to anything in that article a if it were the comparable analogy would be that the ukrainian president directive ukrainian tell allegience agencies to steal the hack donald trump's campaign steel emails publish them direct to the social media army to influence the election and sat down if represent a sat down with chelsea clinton and john podesta in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on donald trump there's no suggestion anything of that magnitude of a scale as different acknowledge that but this is problematic is that this ukrainian meetings problematic and your oil it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government but again i think to compare the two is a bit like comparing a bank robbery with the writing a check with insufficient funds both appropriate money from the bank improperly a very different degree of seriousness them involvement in this case by a foreign government.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on KSFO-AM
"Seen claiming the emissary wanted a meeting because she had some of that which shows up she didn't have any of it what is going on here back to the euro cranium story this forget this lead sentence this is outrageous donald trump was the only presidential candidate his campaign was boosted by officials of a former sovietbloc country ukrainian government officials tried to help hillary clinton and undermine trump by public lee questioning his fitness for office they also the ukrainian government disseminated documents implicating a trump aide in corruption and suggested at manafort and suggested they were investigating the matter only to back away after the election and they helped clinton's allies research damage damaging information on trump and his advisors a political investigation thought what do we have here we have proof that the ukrainians were trying to sabotage trump we have proof that they were trying to help hillary clinton and then when trump wins they backed off they begged forgiveness and wanted to become fringed with trump though that he would not pay them back there is still no evidence of any kind anywhere that the russians tried to help trump and the trump colluded with there isn't any there is not a shred there's not a symbol is not a vow will there's not a consummate of evidence and yet we know for a fact that ukraine did try to help hillary sabotage trump public statements about how he was unfit for office which details and dovetails with the hillary clinton campaign frost that trump was on fit here's ukrainian officials joining in that claim how come nobody in the drive by media picked up the story back in january come nobody remembers the story today ukraine tried to sabotage trump ukraine was helping hillary ukraine publicly stating trump was on fit so there was collusion collusion between ukraine a foreign government a foreign country there was collusion between ukraine and hillary clinton to sabotage trump a ukrainian american operative who was consulting for the democrat national committee met with top officials ukrainian embassy in washington in an effort to expose ties between trump and paul manafort in russia according to people with direct knowledge ukrainian efforts had an impact on the race helping to force manafort resignation in advancing inherited that trump's campaign was deeply connected ukraine's fall to.
"ukrainian government" Discussed on The Renegade Republican with Dan Bongino
"And it's interesting because the vogel peace talks about ukrainian government official attacking donaldtrump and curve ed colluding with the clinton campaign to make sure hillary win the election folks please do not take my word for any this i don't know can vogeli've seen a few pieces rid he writes for politicojoe which you know i can't stand it is that for reasons of your listener you get it up this is not a conservative says upright part conservative this is not conservativereview is not the dailycallerthis is political they are leftleaning at at best if not far leftleaning at times they wrote the peace which lays out in stunning detail the ukrainian government efforts to help hillaryclinton get elected by providing negative information about trump which they actually did now let me read you a quote again in case you think i'm making this up this is from the can vogel piece it was ukrainian government officials who tried to help hillaryclinton and undermine trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office they also disseminated documents implicating a top trump campaign a top trump campaign aide in corruption now they later rescinded the documents so folks let me get this straight as a liberal you're asking me the fair enough question what got me on facebook you're saying well would you be mad if hillarydidityes the catch you always hillary actually dnatrump didn't do it yet do you understand how that destroys your entire argument so you're your it's a again i it's a very fair question and what people do things like that they're saying to you which ii appreciate if you're a principle guy you would be upset at trump because you know you would be upset if hillary did it so it's the principle not the person it batters bright right there you go that's the premise of the whole thing switch the roles are you still upset and if you switch the roles and you're still upset that means the principles matter to you nottherepublican or democrat label great question i have upset about the trump thing it was politically stupid but the catch about the.