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The Two of Us SHORTS with Will Reid

The Two Of Us

27:27 min | 1 year ago

The Two of Us SHORTS with Will Reid

"You rebels radio presents. The two of US shorts with Naomi Watterson Alber Frederick High. This is naming lettuce. Welcome to the US Charts Myself Alba freshdirect talking to people across the globe about that pandemic clearance on its relationship to creativity. Mental health emotional wellbeing and as always. I'd like to get a trigger warning. These adult shows the themes will be complex and interesting. And maybe at sometimes be triggering. If you're over ten the disposition today put this on pause and put market for later. Saw otherwise dime right. I will thanks so much for coming on the too short. It's great to have you. You are an autism live in London and just for anyone listening. I'd recommend you if you can go online. The wills now while we're talking you can see that he does. His websites will dash rate R E D Dot Com. Is that right? Yeah Instagram J. So I just wanted to talk to you just a bit about how you doing in the lockdown. How are you today? Yeah it's mixed you get different waves of different so the ups and downs pushes joyful all-wise unites it's hard to keep I'm still keeping myself like. Keep making withdrawing my sleep. 'cause I'm not going to my studio which is some. I'm Michael Spicer my room size kind of a during this exploring onto seeing what comes out so what you during much. Therefore it how like. How was your crisis changed? Yeah I've always wearing during his On the pins my my apprentice I'm the client into the painting. Sometimes food Idea quickly owed quite fresh mock Orange Curative. And then I'd take the paintings. Statues paintings also explored out and allow the paintings that fervor as well so maybe leave behind completely but the recent play so more recently. So I've been more like exploring so a my older works more decided one case appropriate. Pretty good idea yet always interesting. So of like recording experiences including my Sova states will psychological Made my life and how am almost like a journal in a sense. How did I know trying to get that through? The work can solve explore that in the work of Christ SAS as of like platform to see where the some else's there. Because you always surprising. Stop making work. How one thing leads to another h decision will reveal something about yourself about something in king which did didn't really realize till you've done it. I'm sorry I saw less of the sort of things I'm interested in an joins US old naturally to the figuring away so So pull traits. All human figuring whole Abstract expressive quality. And I'd say that's won't be but then I still I could pri losing the plot Recently so these phones are taking more on so landscape paint said equality in Seoul. Vodka trees in a focus on trees is a full as a figure just to express express emotions in a wider form rather than getting bogged down with Hugh informed. And Are you still using that as your kind of main simple in your work the moment yeah so of I've always been so playful. Cartoony souls approach to it sometimes and the Miceli I find myself awake during a full figure in expressing some Acquaint the recent would seem client. I'm very onset. vary so abject in a sense is is sense of place where I am. It's like not really we don't really have show what's going on where where we're going this sunset Asked what a wack is. I'm pretty that's why I've read generally and I know that your on the artist pledged on instagram. Is that what that you're sharing there as well? This'll von surveys. Or is that what you wanted to keep impersonal and you'll guidance to move forward with in some way. Yeah so that was Sets but on this on instagram and stay a while ago just before the coronavirus look down happened forgot his name. Matthew Barney's I think I think I think that's the right name might have to check. That just doesn't matter. I'm he located them special year. It's a lot of retaining So piece set up of you few weeks back in. It's just like everyone's been getting buffy bars yet. I'm getting a boat to. I'm sorry I've been each plant woops to Japan age and then once he's pounds and sales you didn't play your spine always works. That's the general concept of it. I'm just the white ticipal Ossis during these uncertain times when it's hot for t make sales. Oh if you encourage that. So context edition so am. I have so. I saw social life for a moment. Follow which is good. You could just mention the handbook. That one say can quite well things go. Thanks National M Yes seems to be committee. International thing is destroying you. Just put the Hashtag out of school. Pledge on on your image in southern fraternity pounds or less in tightly buys I'm I'm a bit of a cop. Had around previously ideas I storm previous lays allow more so trite wax and a smaller works as well and During Channel Yeah. I'm the big lead. I don't also some what we worth more than and you come. You become paraffin for that price. I guess but yes. Germany ODA works. I'm happy to go because when you make work it's not always just about. This is what she wanted to get rid of. You don't make it sell straightaway. You WanNa solve civilized wax and say wait. I tell you to the next week's yet. Thank you so just to kind of get on their way you are what your life is amendment outside of your home more in your what was it like. You're in eastern right. Yes I'm basing. Dostam dose. Just Dostum's London. Yeah Yeah it's it's Was like it's a it's quite it's quite around But there's a sense of you know everyone's so to get in and the community so there's a sense of community around and you see feel you don't compete you know and it's almost like it feels like walking around on Christmas Day. Yeah usually at Christmas. I'm in London so I know cleaness of of that feed by haven't been in hastening sue me icon like London by guessing a good analogy Christmas Day as I like walking around at two in the morning. But it's it's daylight night drunk people around everyone's smiling each other trying to get out of the way scatter people will look at radio will lay blase about it. I went. I think I would vote by cried to exercise yesterday. I forgot free like the main central that just the city what it was. It's quite likely this there was doing their exercise. It's like a guy's time with oxygen straight. Just these places so busy. Nobody else wanted my sister. She's gone for a cycle today as well and she said that's really nice. Dislike around on them because there aren't any cards around Ray. Yeah you say he isolates knucklehead. Obviously because I think I going to say so gang out that's really important getting out to get It's it's so it's hard but the hardest thing is you're you're in the same place a Lotta time. And I. I don't Mind My put my flats coordinates. No it's quite small. I live tonight some. We haven't got a living room kitchen and inspire united is what to. Gal Get US inspiration for seeing. I'm always inspired all that stuff. You know discoverable cancel things around may call. It is in the sky or trees in the way they show you say corroborate so trying to still take those and channel it into work. So it's inspiring you know at the moment then what's outside and is that different to what was inspired me before so always always inspire me stuff. There's less some things that high school which will have less office the civil of human actions. You'd have maybe some situations you'd find yourself in and say base. Things are more lacking way rather than you'll direct connection with something. It's more like looking at yourself Responding to the landscape guess provident dirty. Were people that makes sense by only started attending special for everything you know films. Music books can still denies which is good. So it hasn't really changed a lot. I think about it. I guess I guess because it gets his are quite good We spend it on solution anyway. Anyway you got a very good very good being aren who good earned company. So He's kind of light. Snow huge the Just the whole the biggest thing on. Thanks to hold. I know renying way where we're GONNA be in next month's ready so Keep plugging away. Ready made KANAWHA can don't commencing basements. Have you noticed that you want to connect in different ways? You know with some people that you didn't before as a result on the up down just talking about connecting with others. Because I find that passed me. I'm more tuned into the meaningful connections in life and kind of thinking about them and reach out to people about a main on reached out to before I was conscious. That still going to be like that for everyone. It may just be nice. Almost half the peace realize no Cristeta being conducted meet people I think The thing is before this even night where I find myself before. It happened at him at made a choice to solve. Frankly small change the jokes and changed whereas working so focus on. Komo them even more time to that hundred find a way to the guy. Shame away through by London while folks out and then sorry they still uncertain period and then I was like I needed to workout things in my own head him. I was going to get away from London myself so I was going to go off Spain and do this This is a community trial and Santiago del Costanza pilgrimage and so reflect on things and meet people on the way. And so so Jenny. I should really be here in my original. I find myself these plans that made another study displays landed in is kind of weird from it. I can kind of like So I think I'm so more grappling with that obey in. I am but you want to help and there is this so essentially what you WANNA do more. They WANNA help them. Everyone you want to help the community. You want to help the people I am. I'm still trying to think of ways I could do that. Maybe at the moment might might vote Dixon. Voltaire wickel and helping people I that myself. That may be the stuff I could do my off. I'm not ready ratio without a young show. Their stuff you can do your own his Mental Health Challenge every week quite a set Which do together over the price about office instagram. All at this time this kind of is very very heating. Very therapy Something that people who they may not usually talking to a will. I am reading very powerful. I guess you just Kinda go feel your way through what you what you can or can't gifts and how you can be something there if you space for it and they'll be something fee today. Yeah George just during is already. I think people if people realize how how could fall sick so I wouldn't rule. He's a really easy way to be playful. Bring your child self back and I think that the difficulty even with myself with making is letting go and just trusting US alphand enjoying the process because in a critic is always can always be. That consortium Away from is really is really powerful. I think it's really I think that's the that's always puts people doing it. I guess this over them so consciousness about it worries a walk a google. Judging by. That's the thing is quite to me. during painting they they reflect like bigger things actually by the way we exists from day to day lines and is up this warrior by what they were saying about doing stuff. You kind of you kind of do that when you're making a very that's always why felt important connection so it was the same thing. He may not existing through what you'll making light you just so you crazy so you create the same so you plan to send criteria to making it all work than you to just just living life in the same way and you guy for these ideas some of these worries as you makes it work unite. You'RE GONNA be client courageous as well. You know you need to get the things that you're gonNa ruin am ruined the work and don't worry about. We'll find Giron. Your Voice Inside. This is who I am rather them be lights campaign a pint misery really well skillfully. Because that's impressive about united bound funding. Second date will move connects with people. Say just going off that. Then what is what was your process been like I mean we're even the pressure will lack. That will at this moment in time that you feed him pressure to make what are you. What was that off you right now? If you're not wet no pressure on myself. I'm you can. I think you need to eat there. When it feels Ryan needs to force yourself to a bear was always in ECON. Just wait for inspiration to happen. You have to kind of find. Did he have to engage in during? Its like I should be. You should be doing a set amount every day Fulsomely so esoteric that we need to look after ourselves a bit. I'm just tight the time to reflect and think about things they so they still quiet women find ourselves in. You know it's important to solve that pressuring Salford. That's what I'm doing anyway But it was funny ways to make up. But am I enjoying? But in I I can't say icon congregate Full because oil paint nominee and a larger scale. And if it weren't Kim my group doesn't reading my space mightier doesn't doesn't work that will that's awesome shift Smooth and talking about looking off yourself. Are you looking after yourself? How are you looking off Joseph? How'd you wish maybe you think I'm looking out for myself? And what's helping you right now. Kind of keeping you to keep you going. Cutters mentally emotionally autistic. Levian Cathal. Yeah so over a chain so An exercise getting out and doing stuff and make just still trying to live your life and contract. We've paid when the way you can. So that's why I guess I online Khoza good with my friends. We do that. Vana GAM and catching up forever ways doing things maybe ended before which gives us time reading books and stuff. 'cause that's important to of pull Important Mental Health Dot Com. So from that place where he's Com- do come come theory wristwatch were may so you just go find things to do? Maybe I guess instead of going to a ball to me up with people you have seen coal and just a few years. They're on the same coal. Yeah that's still wave kind of connected do things in in a quiet away serving at I found myself having. I like having no time to that. Yeah Yeah rushing around trying to I. I'm always thinking I should be getting gang some going somewhere sooner. Largent ten o'clock in the morning and you know if something else comes up. Spend 'cause you know one thing and it might take longer you in the game against one o'clock Slough now go to the studio and stuff and then you you rush out so. This sense of urgency is gone. It's like oh well. At the days days days to me it is does likes some so continue? Continue Transitional Summit in a ratio. You so you know what we call things days because we know that's what they should be cold but they don't really feel like they used to be. Every time has definitely changed the Times walked. And everyone's kind of making sense of this new normal and I think your first and foremost if you look at yourself in. That's that's the priority radio and then you can be there for others as a win but yeah it sounds like you do really well. I think maybe I can finding a what. Is there anything that you're looking forward to? It could be during lockdown. It could be optimal don. It could be whenever I really I I. I'm I'm going to thing looking forward to. This rejection restrictions restriction down being replaced and having that because he suddenly like because. I think I guess what was happening in. London is is a busy. You Frenetic really is quite stressful. When away at you so love aided spend time running around am at an is always people around and you? Kinda just when I wanted to get a peace and quiet? That's what was so place the recreation and you just need more time to work with these things. I mean you suddenly get held a so quietness. Wait why knowing the way we wanted to happen. And I feel like I've ago says afraid they'll go out and do these things I was able to do before and I think that's the strangest thing and I think that's having freedom Looking forward to so realizing that things you actually so hard before actually commit sin stuff. I miss you miss. Let's go out and do a thing and that freedom just do things and once employed for tonight one in and I'm able to make the most of these opportunities our writer because I feel is less the opportunities available less now and maybe don't realize how much was going on in that city in the city now take for granted in our Happens in the future we can so of them appreciate that someone announce that but I think eventually goes said was trying to say I had that. You're looking forward to appreciate London in a new way. All right. Well thank you very much for being on the two of us. Scholtz will the full we got. Where can people find you if they want to save him with? All black will get in touch like he finally. I'm on my website. You say M Well Hyphen read already. Reality don't come. I'm going to keep up quite regularly by scratch. My handles might repented. Remember any of these These houses by should know the back of my head back in my head mangoes and heads. Fine phrases I think it's the top of my head of trying to say yeah Will also my instagram. So you can get a free my website. But he said we'll with one school read eighty nine so I am i. I definitely respond. If you sent me an email any questions when a thing will work by means Ganz touch you know. Play all right. Well they will and Very much Hi thank you so much. Listen to the show the wonderful music you can have as by Gavin Brian. If you like this show please subscribe. There's plenty of episode. Listen to passing good neal's stable on my love

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54. The Two of Us SHORTS with Paloma Tendero

The Two Of Us

29:42 min | 1 year ago

54. The Two of Us SHORTS with Paloma Tendero

"You rebels radio presents the two of US shorts with Naomi. Watterson Albert Frederick. High this is naming lattice. Welcome to the US Shots Myself Alba Frederick, talking to people across the globe about that pandemic. And its relationship to creativity, mental health emotional wellbeing. And as always I'd like to. A warning. These adult shows of the themes will be complex and interesting, and maybe it sometimes be triggering. If you're over ten the disposition today, put this on pause and put market Valetta otherwise dime, right? It gives me huge pleasure to introduce. A fellow artist photographer. Sculptor I got a lot of shrinks to by the lovely. Paloma Kandara have I said that correctly, yes. Now I think when I first saw your work very slow your photographer, but that's quite limited description of what you do. You used photography to record. Your body an interactions with the sculptures you make so photography doesn't seem to be an adequate description. How would you describe yourself in terms of your work? I think I would describe myself as happy while artist. my background as you say is in a sculpture, but I found photography way of putting myself. In maybe in a different medium. I remember. After graduating are thinking. how GonNa work as sculpture like. And never going to be able to afford an escort jer like. Warehouse? Like appropriate studio so. When I started working in photography and I found that I will combine both mediums. It was like a wonderful way of like. With! A medium that allows me to maybe have less space because I don't know like with photography unique to have a huge studio to work. On I think that's why at a no I found like a way of combining two of my passions in my practice. In terms of your work now, so drawing this pandemic chapter. How's your work being addressing that? Do you think? Okay Yeah I guess Set to be on his part of me, have to Kind of remember. How are you still abduct I think. During this isolation period I felt Obata. I guess lost like I. Don't know why so do like. You know. We don't have really guidance even about in terms of like going out Orlean and I. Think I to you in my old work. And I don't like maybe. Taking what I used to do before when I did a have like even in mediums to that myself. and. I haven't create much. I have been just reading mostly unthinking. And definitely I'm sure that decides election period will come into my ad work at being. I always work with my personal experiences. And I often have responses of the experiences through life. Making, art. I've been thinking it will be like. Make a specific a piece about isolation. But I think it will be maybe translated in some of the languages. In the pace if that makes sense does make sense because I think Recommend anybody to look at your website. Because you often through themes Kazoo look to your your mother. Your health having children I'm sometimes the body work. Is Simultaneously so fragile and strong, because it's your boating us in the work and your face is sometimes. The thing that marks as most personal, but sometimes with the names of your work, the thing that makes it most personal for me. So how would you describe the themes that you're exploring or any so compelling things that you're looking at and your word was you're always. Drawn to over and over again. I think one of the things I look at the most east. How I would for these are like Basil's and how we are A. kind of like containers, so we contain in our own body, it contains you know our organs. But also you know our inheritance, our genetics and Mostly who we are lake is like where we come in from, but also even the memories and the trauma that we have through our lives are contained in this single body, and I think there's something that I. Often like look. And Restart? Something that recently I have been thinking a lot about. human condition on what is. What if health. Is actually the natural. Way of the human condition. What if actually illness east the natural way? And then he's health something that maybe we haven't asked in society because we have to you know, produce and work and Buffoon Shannon, but as human beings we transform. And I keep thinking about this transformation and our body how you know. If you think about it, I. Don't remember my hands when I was five years old. I know they would small. But then like you know, they have transform, and then you bully keeps changing and the same way physically change we chains. Internally? And I think those are the subjects I think. I kind of like I got rhythm. To make what? I think it's really essential. It's quite radical to save the. Health might not be the natural state of being but Warren the slow of state of. Of. Transformation and some the K.. Because of necessarily, but that baron flocks and the body isn't static and I think. Sometimes about the health narratives, the body in is very static. In at this point I just say to people just put this on pause and go on the website, because people will be able to say how you interact with these sorts of body sculptures, with sometimes worte or uncomfortable or cellular. Did you do that consciously aware you just working towards the same when you just? Were overtaken by something on the knew that this was the. The sort of route you hat take. I, have always worked very organically like I think I have always find. That I want to work with my hands. Yeah I. Think they touch and a I. Don't know working with material and I liked to transform day materials into new things. So for example, my recent work on mutability I started collecting these empty Khartoum's and I didn't know the race on I just suddenly driven by like taking their. And then I make paper much with them and I created new shapes of X.. which are oversized? I'm really big. and. Wasn't after half after I did the schouten when I realized. I'm actually talking about patilally I'm. Kind of wondering and questioning the balance in between. I were Maybe genetics and our personal choices ourselves will. So I think in terms of my career in terms of all day Portraits are a half. I think everything came first. Being playful, maybe trying to find a way of how can I express something that I have inside me? With materials that I come flying around the house or around normally. I work with things that they are accessible like textiles or things that I can't find easily so I start like make him. And and then. Is When I. Kind of movie star. Into the theory I guessed are and finding a way of. Keeping. The boys all. Making a meaning of it. And I was playing now you are explaining what it sounds like. especially with your own mutability excited seen some of those already on the website as well. I'm there's something really poignant about them about what the egg means, 'cause. Just. Slow to offer Tila. But now. For me, they've added meaning because of what in this pandemic about giving birth to a new world, because it's about possibilities and perhaps lost possibilities so I think. The symbolism of an egg is so wonderful. I'm so. Some meaningful ideas but I find Yeah I think you make sense because I think if you came to vote online gun to make a project exploring fatility, or this I'm GonNa. Make a project about that. Oh, I am now going to get these egg cartons. You wouldn't have the same project very fact that your sort of guided by something within you hasn't got a voice. Yeah, but it's guidance. You I think. Make such powerful work. And I? Know it's true of all photography. Because what we do with the topography, we take our Ross wherever they may be on the three dimensional for the most part. is made two dimensional light paintings. There's something that happens with the squashing of what we say, but because we're used to saying. You know photographs in our lives anyway. The sorts of used to the fact that that's no longer three dimensional. It's the to died venture representation of a three dimensional thing, but what I think with your work. is still remains three dimensional. It still fails. Very physical, and there's almost some. Choreography in it so when you move. How much do you plan that or is that again? This sense of being led by something unjust feeling your way through. Usually. I get inspired ray often by classical paintings. Mostly classical sculptures like I love going to like Muslim or or seeing you know like? The News on all of these like PC's. Of Of Marble. So okay, so it's codeshare is like preservation. You know of of the body I come say so. I think I keep in my mind. These images of like how you know this is corporate posing. But then when I am making my own work. Is Not like a think about those postseason, but. Thing is again. Some kind of Cathartic way has some kind of like. I star. Posing and the moment I do. The photographs I feel relief in my body is just somehow like is really Cathartic. Way, so it's not like I don't have anything ready. Because obviously you know like sometimes I try to find. Yes i. say like maybe classic. Postures. But but I well. I found like I. Don't know what my body wants at the time. And I feel okay. You know if I if I sit down if I feel like standing up I, let myself go. It's not like Ian either half any. Guidance. Yeah I, follow my lead them. But that that's beautiful and do when you have like this source, a photo shoot which almost seems like. Less like trump's to you'll just take him over how that might be taken over by package of news that can be done into it, and you don't plan. Your dance moves to just find your way through, and like you said defined rhythm as a solitary experience. Do you have lack assistance or other people around? Do while still doing that I do that or do just as it you on both sides of the Lens in the studio. Creating this work. I'm I often have are people who helped me and I'm so grateful. Light really. Thanks, everybody who has helped me in the studio because. It is so hard to balance all these objects by yourself and having to press the shutter. Is, often you know like It is really nice to have someone there with you. But in many ways you know because. It is Is it I. Like to have people who is like personally intimate with me as well. I often feel like I meet around me. That understand my words a nice going to understand me. Lying what I'm doing. So yeah I I do have. People helping me because I realized as your friends I've never asked his I'm because the images quite solitary I've just imagined you own your own. Somehow impossibly gung from dislike fragile AL, pose holding these fragile things and complex positions, and then suddenly leaping up and. Taking the. Assad, how does she do it? She's amazing, but it's like you say it's like there has to be people you trust around you who are doing some of the technical stuff, but there are also witnessing the relationship that's evolving. With yourself and so now I'm thinking now why to know about the process of your work a bit more. What spin yourself emotional experience of the pandemic. Have, you been able to draw on, not just your creativity, but by approach of. Finding a rhythm, not enforcing rhythm on yourself. How slat helped toll? In. Dealing with the the unknown. steelite trying to. To find out. How even feel in this period? at first. I. Trust will be only lag. Now like a month maybe. Bit Longer, but not really. So I, didn't even? Start creating anything like it was kind of like. Forced videoed. Oh! Like just being at home so. It's not like can add TV. D. O. Inspiration is just GONNA. Come because I am not working like. Other thing for me, works that way, not because I have. All of these like free weeks Saturday I'M GONNA. Make a masterpiece leg east even often when. I am BC when you know videos of like heavy like word. When silently I found that I need to create the most and I think because a scape for my mind to create art. And now because I have all of these time, available every. Time. I don't know I just I. Find it really difficult to. Properly focused on and make something. So. I think I have been trying to. The. We really responsible in a sense of. Okay you know? I am not going to leave as I used to leave before the pandemic because that's the whole point. that. Since supposed to feel the same way as before or the wise, we are not doing things right. so I think this has been. A might add of. That I into. s still make my own work like in. I'm. Even looking archives on the inter- night till to keep inspired myself but. Being gentle with myself and thinking well if I'm finding the three men to make. It took. The? Let's really mature because I think people responded very differently. Some people making law. 'cause that fails support for them. And I think it's like three just like. When of were that some constraints by himself? You know you're working. Go Daydream This that I'm the Newark as well. You seem to flower Shandra. Certain sort of pressure is quite good for you, but now that you save got open-ended time. I'm that's not helping. But you'll reading some ready curious to know what you're reading. So. I am reading the story of pain. And I think is quite fascinating like to see. I I. Love the title because. Now called the story of pain because pain can be dated. And I absolutely love the fact that you know is a human experience. And even everybody feels pain differently. Manasseh how other people react to pain? As well like a very different like. So at the moment on. I was trying to see if I make some kind of parade. About pain. but I am there. I just don't know. He's GonNa come or these. Here. and was it that really attracted you to the apart from the fact that it's not a history. It's a story which makes it sounds like there's multiple experiences. Why did you feel that you need to be a? Why did you feel you needed to read that book? I. I came up after conversation with another artist and live away of. We were both in the same boat of. Item feel like creating now like I. Don't know how I like an talking about. I guess it is when you have lost someone in your life like I lost my mom. When I was quite young, so. I just think. It is stemmed when you realize. The pain. That means to lose this. On now that we are in this pandemic. some thanks feel like. The people who is not taking the issues that they still it may be because they didn't lost their loved ones. I'm think. Thinking about all of the? and. Watching US welcome documentaries about you know they black black play and past pandemics everything. I I, so something that. Pain transform you and Bain transform societies and paint transform humans, and because I am in this loop about transformation I feel. He we on bow, lay in this moment of uncertainty. I'm paying and I want to know how the pain is going to transform us the same way. I felt and as formation loosen my mother. How always society transforming. I'm how you know. We are going to come out of this if excess. I just want to get the book as soon as we get off this interview. I'M GONNA. Be Looking for on long during big Old Burgess thing I. I think that about the pain being transformative because I was talking with my mom, she's ninety two online she's. She's lived through the Second World War. She's quite stoical. I was talking with him wondering when these incredible pressurizing situations. Why disarm paypal seem to be. Afflicted with the most awful trauma and trauma, especially like PTSD IN COMPLEX PTSD. It's like stock record. It goes round and round round, and other people seem to feel quite stoical. And that was like there seemed to be like a fork in the road between. Different experiences and then I then I thought was the by intergenerational trauma when. Generations have got the. Freedom to even begin to explore their pain. So they push it down and they carry on, keep calm and carry on something, and then the next generation, the generation of that other people to express the full extent. What's happened? I mean that's a complex so. Discussion because it can't really be measured than there is something about intergenerational drum being real thing. But. As as just add in what you're saying about. The trans formative quality of pain which egner. Has. Everything you know it's sadness, but it also has optimism at has. Sold about creating new meaning and living differently. So thank you answer I've got one more question. And Desperate HOUSEMAN PEOPLE I've. Thought about a world or question asking them to respond to win whatever way and I've done a bit of a you of just use the intuitively. I've just been writing down the. So the question for you is where is home? I think. Many places I think nowadays a home is where I feel safe. Home is where I feel myself. And I think I, a half few homes nowadays. So I feel that I have a home here in England. Because I feel at home at my house with my boyfriend and I feel like he made me feel at home and my friends around me. I feel at home. But then I have my home in a Spain, and that would always be my home so when I go back to my parents on my see my dad and my brother. is like a nevertheless. Then I don't remember you know. When did I leave like you know this is my home. I! Think yeah, I think I yeah. You can bill home. As long as you have your loved ones around. You know anywhere. Slow beautiful. Slash mice on the. Absolutely love lay. I think that's a really nice place to. End The interview. 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38. The Two of Us Shorts with Gemma Weekes

The Two Of Us

22:04 min | 1 year ago

38. The Two of Us Shorts with Gemma Weekes

"You rebels radio presents. The two of US shorts with Naomi Watterson Alber Frederick High. This is naming lettuce. Welcome to the US Charts Myself Alba freshdirect talking to people across the globe about that pandemic and its relationship to creativity. Mental health emotional wellbeing and as always. I'd like to get a trigger warning. These adult shows the themes will be complex and interesting. And maybe at sometimes be triggering. If you're over ten the disposition today put this on pause and put market for later saw otherwise. Die Right. I'm going to start with you is I bust. I boy is still go. All me those Corinthian I get to sit at home sleep but to do a best were on. D. Misbehaves Skull maybe WANNA g people on tape because Hanging out with your mom used being home-schooled difficulty you so adapt to that only because I don't like socializing people. A lot of the entire is that a Would usually because my mom's friends like eastern easily Friends I don't really like socializing in general so but being used to it and being with Mamola did help these onetravel. Yes so dave. Thank generally then the introverts. Do you think they find parenting easier. Most likely because probably find a probably find it a little easier to stay at home when one of the goals was to not really socialize with people. Mitzi like it would make it easier in terms of desk day today living. Do keep up with news from the MOM. What have you do you hear from grownups? Don't watch the news usually just hear it from my mom amongst friends. I prefer it that way. Yes because at a have to go find the information myself. Because I've looked I have a bunch of difference of Nation I WANNA learn about so swampy distribution of kind thing. You sound by. Actually you're quite outside. He likes spending time at home. Now was was once babyface. You're doing what you WANNA do. intensive news. If you need to get the information you know the can but you're just doing it. Is that feel like stresses on those things that in some cases you can avoid it because it'd be important the slow then again. Does the kind of stress that if you look on this channel that we'll be people dying in this problem now. People like try to spread the virus that so usually I stay away from. That is stress really. Doesn't help anyone and it turns out that actually weakens your immune system. I'm totally fine with staying at home. I think that's quite quite immature attitude but whistling hung there. Can you still go out because like hair? People assault on lockdown can still exercise alot of how long exercise has been quite fag. So it's complicated maxes. Can you still get to go outside? One passing is allowed in a store time. And it's twenty four hour. Look up to the point where he told he told the people who sent Lucia to to Stop going outside. They didn't listen so now he's made a point he was going to arrest them for bet a novice one possible allowed in the in the school. Yeah it has been really. We just came out the twenty four hour lockdown when we won a twenty four hour curfew so we want allowed out for a week. Basically out you know. Even even essential services were closed first restoring. Everything was closed for weeks and they've just reopened This week and so now. The curfew is from five. Am to seventy but obviously because this phone closed Huge queues are outside waiting for the the stores are been for about four five hours because only laying a limited amount of food store. You have to have you have to be wearing. But there's just because no one had food and everyone's worried that it's GonNa happen again. You know I think it. I think it creates Angie stress although incent new cases also very long so ungrateful for that because those proactive Juno. How many cases arms show yet was still at fourteen? Of course I really love. Yeah yes so. That's the last check. And what about folks really big tourist industry are that flights coming in getting out on that got locked down? Yes Amo school to disappear. Yeah the fast case that like nope not the best case by Monday. Everything was not long may come really take to the fact that you're an island because the disadvantage of the. Marlins let's not let's run Ba- cry dense close because it small but the advantages is the fits on Ireland. So if you do out there so down and it seems like even though there's not that many cases there that seems to be a cultural taking very seriously ball think the general attitude towards Latins decent people out so they wanted a beedon's for frustration. You can have a measure I think you know. I think it varies I mean there's always GonNa be people shouting rules not taking them seriously. Which makes it difficult everyone else. But ultimately I think that people are akin to just stuff it from become a real forbid tonight I mean. I don't think a low fuel agreed with the twenty four hour curfew situation but in general in a you know people wearing them mosques. You know that Dana social distancing as far as I can see so I think there is definitely people. Take me seriously here to show. But I'm wondering if you have twenty four hour Not for a way than anything else is gonNA seem better Saturday. So get people to Boylston focused yet done comment. You can get honest people a lot 'cause as incarcerating as the original. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly now. It feels like it feels amazing. Amazing like to just go to the deep at this point. We're just crazy it's crazy. It's a bus. So is it going to impact from higher celebrating your birthday original plans today instead? Original plans are out there to say so. It was buying for you party with will. This happens Stay at home by like a few times before had those towers really dreadful. Those really matter. What's happening outside the house? You keep yourself busy To be honest I like watching videos. Bang Video Games and taking things from those video. Games drags to figure out to create a new life Z. Mending from lost some law Air Bender and so it seems that you're superpower is keeping us of occupied as Matt also be tons tons on an example. I think about ready good. Besides being able to find things that you find are the entertaining or educational or both. I'm not busy well up art museum doing anything there. I created A. It's a it's been interesting. I've seen a couple of posts on one by Diane which was just Saying that we need to not overextend. Put too much pressure. More of those to be dotted yeah and there's actually a couple of posts posts like that and I think that it's important to remember because I've gone through. Definitely you know have plans. I'm going to do these when this happened. When this old I started it felt like an extended Christmas holiday accuse all just being off. School has okay if time now then as time on you realize that she is. It's quite an uncertain time. And and you know I am. Zion will though had to give myself off time to say and censor myself as well on a knock pushed him hard in our. I'm definitely working on things up just landing. Sometimes I need to just sit down for a minute and take breaths Grace I just I ready Anything problems vice bake a longtime project feels like I started it because the dynamic it feels like a historical drama Historical it doesn't feel like it's from the same live. It doesn't female in the same language. Absolutely it's still back at the moment. There's so much news and I'm definitely depressing way. We'll just send me some random thing that he folded and on the optimal I'll send you this notes article about why it's made out. I'm back really annoying when he does that. That's not so good passing. I went on a question to ask because we said about creativity Stop Partic- on the way but Latin Attila's are things less ought to engage your mind and things you still got ideas you so fascinated you. Don't feel that pressure which perhaps your mom's house it. I'm right there. Yeah mostly because I don't really feel that stressing about things mostly because I'm entirely okay. Unsafe knowing that he will announce it seriously. And also that nobody's GonNa rock up to my house and Scott Cook running around the gem fair. Do you feel unsafe. Just the global picture or people you know the comes out with that gives you the sense applied. You need to brave. It's perhaps harder to throw yourself into your work same way. I feel like in general. The one of the joys of being a child is that you get to outsource worry June. I mean after like because ultimately as long as he has wifi and fades. I'm yet he's also the ability to kind of sad party. When it comes to these things as in GIS work into this and I just see this was no mission like no preconceived. Yeah does nothing is static. What is no pinions? Nothing carnage about it truthfully interesting. Yeah but yeah I I think for me. There's just a little unsettling way it for the future but I don't I think children on as to centric as I told now. Yeah Yeah one point. I was struck family to watch it up slowly and again At one point I was in now way too much at one point. New are what kind of sieges century? Because I'm this age not like study national me out thoughts about that and I just sat at off now than realize Obama being not realize the people live Fifty sixty or seventy or eighty. Thirteen it's not your job to do. Great Planning spreadsheet over Five Year Plan. bank funny that you would like to shine. Yes looking We're GONNA read something we're GonNa do line by line. This is a part of this road. 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We make together reality the page. We are writing the passing the picture we are painting. The steps will Johnson without positions available. We Are we are right now with. We need right now. Oh Wow that was absolutely amazing. Thank you lovely. It was lovely that you'd read it together as well. It just seems really even poignant Generational thing I just feels really important. I'm so grateful that goodbyes. I on his day to document S. One day he'll he'll look back and be like wow I was ending eighteen. Seventy eight during the Global Fund. I is. I don't think I'm supposed to quite more questions when Spicer View I'm one. What makes you help from The knowledge that this will stop the knowledge that we will persevere and after this may be leaders will get some intelligence to stop waiting Realization that may be the few things atop environment also by affiliation double US seeing as the environment is the thing that allows us to live. Yeah yeah juice well. Yama will give you a hug. Yeah I think he said it really well severeness that just the just the hope that we have a shifted in this year we definitely now all tend to wilt. Mayor we have a choice is only so much destruction that you can have for when looking at you know what he was saying if our nature being renewed from this and we're looking at the fact that aside of all the money and commerce and would these things which is these mammals cleaning to the US if that's not a wave cool Muslim humbling. I don't know what is in. I think yeah unnecessary. Yeah fine head. And he said with his juice. Thad I have a beautiful day. This will be out soon. Didn't have global fine. Thank you both so much. Mom Thank you gotTa thank you so much. Listen to show the wonderful music. You can have as by Gavin Brian. If you like this show please subscribe. There's plenty of episodes listen to us. Good Neal's stabilises

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106: They Call Us USPS

They Call Us Bruce

55:42 min | 10 months ago

106: They Call Us USPS

"Low. Welcome. To another edition of call us, Bruce unfiltered conversation about what's happening in Asia America. I'm Phil You and Jeff Yang and this week on the podcast we have been thinking and talking about doing something for a while and our wishes are finally coming true as if delivered to us. Our. I'm sorry we've come. A Dad jokes attention but we we've been talking a lot about the postal service, not just amongst ourselves but in society right I mean the relevance of the US mail to our society internal democracy has been more prominent now more than the headlines now than ever before, and one of the things that we recognized is that the postal service actually plays a really critical role even. Specifically in our communities and there are. There are a lot of Asian Americans who work at the Post Office The post office connects us are far-flung relatives and friends, and in general we just thought it was time to give a little shine to this institution that. Is taking a few bumps, these days, and so we actually found. A postal. Service employees who was. Happy to talk to us about this profession and about the stories and. The world behind the scenes at the post. Office. As, well, as other things going on his life as well. So we love to welcome to they call us Bruce Kevin Again UN. He is a musician and multimedia. A graphic designer, a fan of A. Pretty Amazing Music. I can tell social platforms and also a employee of the PS Kevin Welcome to the show. Hi. Welcome guys. Ola. So Kevin you're in Oakland right. Yeah. I wouldn't opened. And did you reborn in scripture? I was actually born in southern California and. Always, knew that I would end up in the bay area. So sometime around two thousand and two, thousand five moved up here. And I found myself. Here. To sort of blend in. Oh Yeah Oh. Yeah. And and you say you're from southern California originally like a like Los Angeles or or. Montebello okay. And now A. End, up actually working for the postal service. Honestly. I was laid off in rather time the pandemic. was. Gaining momentum. and. I was desperately looking for work and I I had heard this echoing my head, my mom's voice. You know like you should go work work at the post office like your uncles grandfather. Finally listen to the voice. And Sure Enough I. went onto the USPS site. And, saw their openings locally and swint for and they ask for references. Internal references and. Plugged in some family members names, and I was pretty much and within twenty four hours. In the family. It's a family business. It really is. Yeah. How many of your other family members worked for the postal service that are alive to? But. But it's it's been like kind of multigenerational thing or it has absolutely. Is there. Is there something about the post office or the Postal Service that has been? particularly. Peeling I'm guessing in some ways it's because it's eighth always there be. It. You know like they're always jobs in the postal. I. I just Kinda remember Hollywood shuffle under if you've seen that movie Robert Townsend movie. where? Kind of what you're saying is one of the themes in the movie that. His family's like A. Get A job. The Postal Service it's it's you know it's it's a secure job. You know it's comfortable. It's something which you can rely on and Robert Townsend characters like I wanna be a star in Hollywood but you know as a black actor in Hollywood. You gotta deal with a whole lot of bullshit and movies about the bullshit and. Kind of like you know no spoilers or yes boilers. Movement. You haven't seen it. You should see it but. In the end in the end, actually the post service ends up being a where he lands and and you know he's it's sort of like a celebration affected like you can still do when you dream of but other things can also be part of that dream and anyway I'm kind of curious if if that's kind of the story of how how like your uncles and other folks in working for the post office to. For my grandfather. I believe he went in right after he was discharged from the military e- so he. He had served in the Cold War came back They relocated to Daly City from Dallas. and. I think he that's it hired pretty much on the spot. And it's still the case to this day So he he was there until I moved up here. And two, hundred five. I remember him getting village. One Am and coming home. And afternoon. He. Yeah it's interesting my Uncle Sam deal with him in Minneapolis. He got out of the Air Force and became a carrier pretty much immediately. And my uncle Kennedy in. Hawaii. I think he started in Minneapolis, but then transferred to Hawaii, which is apparently. The most requested transfer. Why And he's been a mechanic for. Sixty years. He's he's been there for a long time I. Think he's been here the longest. Everyone fixing like postal trucks, postal trucks, the machinery he's he's really handy guy i. mean he used to build birdhouses? Similar skills I guess. Can you give us an idea of what you do. Yeah so On a daily. Day, starts at three Am. I opened the building. I FOR THE FIRST WAVE OF FOLKS WHO WANNA check their po boxes before the Sun comes up the those people exist. And I start receiving the parcel which comes through our massive warehouses through one of Richmond and one in Oakland West Oakland. And it just it begins. There's a law of. Shuffling and scanning and just making sure things are going. To the correct neighborhoods. How much that that shuffling scanning is done by humans? As, opposed to like machines, robots or whatever. Yeah Here's the thing it's. It's humans still have a huge role in this. It's kind of like, okay you have human error. That plays a role in it. But. I think in the at the end of the day I by myself kind of like the fact. That these things are coming off a truck there being. Scanned by human. So if I if I checked my my tracking I, know heathen scanned it. But at the same time for goes missing your somebody didn't scan it. What the hell. But Truth be told. Their companies like Amazon who are. They're fully embracing tech. And I you know we have some Amazon employees. We can go into that later but They. They're like, yeah we're like three thirty years ahead of you guys. And I'm like what and the they'll explain the system I'm like okay. But Plaid there. It's it's analog. Whole. The whole process was analog still. How many how many packages do end up having to deal with on a given day? Is Like Hundreds or thousands or thousands. Since the pandemic. It's Based on. What I'm being Told by the old timers everyday is like Christmas. But you know I went in at as the pandemic was was gaining steam and. So I'm used to this volume. The volume is incredible. It's I can't believe it So I don't even know what the holidays are going to be like. Can just say I. So I I send a lot of stuff on a regular basis t shirts t shirts like a lot. and. So I'm always. So I've started to deal with packages being track, which you know hear from people like Hey I ordered it the tracking went out but I. It's Kinda stopped this one. So I find that the tracking is such A. You know the invention of bailed tracking is cool in that you can. You know you can follow the progress of this? Of this package or your mail or whatever. But. It's also aggravated that like you know it's it's so elusive in that these points at which they can. You know you see they made it here to here but like. Sometimes it's like, what where is it here where what's going on? Why is this partaking so long? and. So aggravating that you have you can you can follow it but you can't. Really. Like. You know what I mean you your imagination goes. Yeah, it's just like why is it still at the post office here adopted off like you know fifteen days ago is it stuck being a file cabinet so like that's so That is when somebody doesn't scan it. Also. Called out on it. Somebody isn't doing the job they're supposed to. They're supposed to be a destination scam. You can request it if you don't think they'll do it. Just. Tell them. You WanNa see them except the package. But then from point. A to point B there. It gets kind of blurry because people are supposed to scan it. there are a lot of other factors. There's so many variables as to why it will not be dated, but I'm there to either buy stuff to in. It's happened to me within the last actually last week. Something go the way back to its destination and then back. Why did it go back? That doesn't quite make sense. Good question. Good question. Yeah I've seen package do that too were I've sent it to to like to to Great Britain and it's like. You know it took like a month and then like a because, and then a part of it was like for two weeks it. It was like stuck in New York. It went to London and then back to New York stuck there and then like. So that's that's the crazy thing about tracking you can. You can watch this, but it's completely aggravating that. Cycle, what good is the technology if I have to do this wild goose chase virtually exactly I know. Can I ask so Here's a here's a hidden in fact about me Jeff you'll be. My Dad for a brief stint was a mail carrier. Yeah. No, it wasn't like it. I don't think the GIG lasted. So long long enough for him to call at any kind of career it was, but I do remember when I was a kid? he was a mail carrier for a little bit and then. I was really young and but I remember his mailbag. Number. I'm reading the mail back in his car and. There was a a can of like. Like a can of Mace or something like for dogs like dogs like. And I was I was playing I was like I was playing the car and I was looking through the bag and what is this and accidentally sprayed some of it on my arm or something and then. It'd be like. Like you know it was. It hurt a lot but I have a very vivid Marian that. But Yeah, my dad was a mail carrier for. Short stint in the eighties. That is amazing. Yeah, I mean. Amazing in part because you know I it just it's I. Guess it shocks me little that their stuff that I still. AM learning after these years. I look. Here's what I would say like it kind of it. Is Relevant to our discussion here in that. My. Parents are immigrants you know and they immigrated in the seventies and they but a lot of the things I've told you about my life about my my background, it's like all this stuff. There were my head like so many jobs you know along the way because it's part of that immigrant hustle, right like I remember when I was surprised when I told you about my parents own a video store, you know they've in and then my parents own that store and also multiple businesses after that all the while by my mom was a registered nurse for like you know like forty years. So it's multiple hustles. It's very like kind of making your way and You know in whatever job you fit in. You know the Postal Service was part of my dad's journey united mean as an immigrant as Geno trying to find trying to find work and you know the. The Postal Service employees, employees like a lot of immigrants you know I I'll ask about your your office Kevin, but I will say like I live in a particularly The area I live in his is heavily Asian, but and so the local post office that I frequent. Every single person behind the counter is a person of color I've never seen A. Single white person like working there and they're primarily like from what I can tell and from what I can hear when they hear them speak the primarily Korean Filipino. and. Latina and black but like. But the Asians are mostly are korean-filipino and so I always look at that I owe marvel at this post office because it's like you know the the US is such A. I don't know it's one of our American institutions, but like it's held up by. By immigrants. And like so many American institutions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and and and so I always I always really like going to the post office because it feels like There's there's a real great sense of it reflects our community here. So I wanted to ask like Kevin your and your office at your your location I mean like you. I'm imagining given where you are. There's a lot of Asians who work there, right? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. It's the most diverse place. I've ever worked in in my almost forty years it's. It's crazy. And everything that that you just said is absolutely true. I mean you will hear five different languages as the morning's ramping up while everybody's getting ready to deploy. It's amazing. I don't know what it is but. It's beautiful at at the same time. It's. It's the it's a side that people don't see. Think about I. Think they know that carrier I think if more people can see this they they'd be pretty blown away by the diversity. Of, the post office I'm curious to know what what it is. That attracts many immigrants and office is very diverse. So, what does it link actually? When you`re When you're there I mean, do people get a chance to talk interact or is it like just hustle all day or you know in and out? What when everybody trickles in the other there's there's conversation joking it's like any other workplace and Come nine o'clock when everybody's ready to go, it's just focus and. People are. Gone. And this is. Where I'm. Just sorting through things. On over just side and. You know wrapping up my day. Yachts. It's like any other workplace it's just. Very, very Serious in terms of. Of what what we're handling. That you know I mean this must be probably besides dogs. Angry dogs the number one thing that postal employees hate most but. Of course there's that that terrible saying going postal right referencing. Male employees who can't take it anymore and you know go wild and. I wonder about the degree of stress that is involved in in working in a a setting where it's like just never stops right and where. People. Are always angry if things go wrong but very rarely happy and Salvatori nice to you if things are going right it's like it's something we take for granted all the time. In the mail keeps on. Common Right. So I'm just of curious like A. Especially during this time of pandemic where it's Christmas every day and that's not a happy thing for you guys per se right it means you're you're you're working your butts off with just Inexplicable loads at this point. I mean. Are. Things things pretty cooler or things you know is it is it is. Is it like super stressful particularly right now, I would say it's pretty stressful on a daily basis just because of the volume of of parcel coming in. It doesn't seem like there's an end. I. Guess at the same time you know I think as as everybody knows or most people know that the post office has always been in trouble financially because it's a it's it's a it's not for profit. So the parcel that's coming in is literally saving. But I think as as. Somebody who's there on the front lines it's hard to see that right. It's like, okay well, this pain us. Literally. Bad stamps when people have po boxes. When people? May Letters. I mean, that's that's our paychecks. So it's it's a bitter sweet thing you know. At the same time, it's like you mentioned the poster for Postal Services. If you know it's it's not there to make a profit in fact, actually it's running a loss and. Because it's a vital service, right? I mean. I, it's hard for me and even imagine what it would have been like is certainly before the era of. Digital Communications. To. Not have had the postal service. It's an even today it's it's such a vital life flood I mean you mentioned Amazon and or even just shipping in general right now they're people who are stuck at home for whom Without postal delivery. In rural areas where a ECOMMERCE doesn't necessarily delivered directly. They would die I mean there will be without. Food there'd be without you know drugs and. Insulin and who knows what else like they're just like there's so many things you can't live without that are delivered. By the mail. And I don't know that most people think about that. Image even Amazon packages are also deliver postal service employees. They cracked. Amazon won't deliver to a lot of rural areas, but USPS will. And Are you wearing a mask at work like in the air of Covy? Like what are are there like? Do you know if there's heightened? Safety restrictions and things like that. Yeah absolutely. We have to wear masks gloves not mandatory but due to the nature of Covid. I choose to wear rubber gloves because I'm handling. Parcel, that's who knows where it's been. I just WANNA I wanNA. Make sure I'm safe that my family say. Other people are safe everybody house. It's mandatory. Absolutely. Are there I mean, do you have any? Ah? Do. You have any kind of interesting stories to share about what what it's like to work. In that setting particularly like maybe things that people try to send in the mail. Expect. You know this this person keeps mailing boxes of live cockroaches. So he'll box I don't know. I. Yeah. It's. It's. It's completely bizarre I. Don't know if they Maybe. Off. Provide. Insects for reptile farm or something but. Nobody picks them up I just I get them to this Po box and I always set them on the same place in the shelf, and then they just disappear. Going on Some people, ship live insects, people, people ship. Chicks which is. Why live birds? I just heard about that by the way because like there were some stories about chicks being basically delayed because. Of. Some of the issues with the volume of mail and mail delivery stuff and they was literally lake. One of those I was yesterday old. Things when I learned that people mailed living animals through the US postal. Service, like living chicks. Hen Chicks. That's okay. It's okay to terms a really strict. They basically have to be there. It's an overnight and they have to be there at seven am to pick them up. But what do you do with them if no one picks them. With we call them. We call them at seven am and we make sure. Nobody has not picked them out are just be cruel. I'm sure there'd be some animal rights people after them. They would they would find out somehow. Picks up its Berkeley I work in. Berkeley just that's wild but it's also like amazing. It's kind of amazing. I. Don't know what extent that you can comment on this but since we have actual representative from the or an actual employee of the US Postal Service at that we give shot but from your perspective, how much are we at risk of? Not. Having a fair election based on circumstances having right now and You know. Basically, the state of the world a lot of people are GonNa have to vote by mail. I mean, we do our jobs and as long as as long as you know, the voters do their part. We're going to do our part. I'm speaking for myself, but I'm not going I would not ever not let that happen right? It's insane. I can't see what will happen. Have you seen anything that would lead you believe like being obstructed from from the happening at least at this point not where I'm at I don't think they would let that happen in Berkeley. Maybe. Middle. America. Just just saying I don't. Yeah I made. What I do know is some of these machines, the sorting machines that were I mean. This is not news new news, but the Saudi machines that were being removed they're being replaced with newer machines but I guess some of these locations have not gone the newer machines, which is a little suspect. At this point. And this was like last year well, I mean. You know. Part of it is the timing of it. All right. question marks. But the other thing is I mean no-one purposely planned for their via pandemic? No one expected that we'd be innocent situation where we'd be trapped mostly in our homes and certainly not able to crowder way into. Election booths. But it's very clearly going to be a disproportionately. Huge challenge to preserve our democracy this year and you know. It's unquestionably going to be postal service worker who will bear a huge amount of that. Like physically and literally there that burden. I wonder how it's going up. On that note I. Mean. You mentioned that the Postal Service is still pretty manual, right? Pretty pretty analog. But it's also there it's changing trying to like updated I know that Phil you mentioned the about tracking male, which never would have happened not fifteen twenty years ago even ten years ago. I mean. What I. Guess. What does the future look like as far as you can see from your vantage point or push vantage point is. is now is is working on the line as it were. But. What does the future of post office look like in a world where people are more and more just relying on shooting electrons at each other I think it will exist to certain degree it will evolve. In order to survive I mean people. People need to send their medicine people need to send letters though the companies don't have. They don't have the ability to do that. Descend actual mailed letters as post a pack. Right, nobody else could provide postage like this. I. Mean. It's it's. It's pretty bleak when I talked to the old timers go. Yeah. The the amount of letter mail is just down. Parcel is up and it's hard to say I mean, in some ways, the pandemics is saving the post office, the post office being the postal service beginning in the news I mean, this is good publicity I suppose. With the whole mail in voting controversy and such but. It's hard to say so. You know you mentioned. Kind of beginning multigenerational postal service family. Grandparents uncles who have served in one uniform. As a military and then moved into the post office and More different uniform right from say green two blue stuff like that. When When when thinks of it that way It really does seem like a kind of an amazing metaphor, right? Like Ross different struggles, different fights, different trenches to be in but. The Post Office is is a staple heart, our democracy of our society of our economic system. It. At its heart, the most intimate way that we can actually connect with people still ride the most formal way. In the most also some ways, the most casual way to send somebody a piece of mail and I don't know when the last UN. Honestly I don't know when the last time I mailed a letter, not a card but like. A physical handwritten letter. Is probably to my parents in probably back all the way in college or or when I was. Out of the country or something but. I know that they kept them and they cherish them and. That's something which that sort of the physicality of the post office also something which I think. can't be duplicated really by any other. mechanism of communication shorter being face to face, and of course, we can't do a lot of that right now. Listen my my daughter just discovered. Receiving mail and it's the best thing ever. Said birth another long ago and then she got started getting stuff address. We'd go to the mailbox and we pick it up and then. And then I was like Oh this one's for you and she's like what and then it's it's like it's the it's the most awesome. Now. But now of course we go the mail. More more often than not does nothing for her and that sucks. Temper stations that a little bit but. Getting mail is also. It is actually got my five year old as subscription at a lego catalogs. Just, to get him get him into the. Into that world, that's awesome. It's like it's like the gateway drug. Addicted to mail. Yeah until he's like what eighteen starts getting bills. What my parents have. Wait till you get bills. I used to run to the mailbox as long as I could remember because I get. Magazines like Ranger Rick or something. I have looked forward to, and my doubt is always like. Are there any bills? No, it's a good day. I don't get a lot of build by mail anymore. As. True. You know I don't get bills by mail but I do get A. You know they're also other things that you've laid. Don't mess really Wanna get either right like. Before those digital spam there was. Five trillion circulars and vow packs. In the. Election season, right. So that's what I'm. Everything, I'm getting right now. Yes You can't have one without the other right I mean into A. So. You know all that. Sad I mean a your experience working in the post office are are there are there any things that it's really kind of taught new especially in relation to relatives yours who have also gotten the same experiences or something where it's like now you kind of sharing. Sharing a bit of a bond there with the with the prior generations sharing the suffering. Off. Now, I get I, get I get occasional text from one of my uncles. You've got to get into a different position. They're just. GonNa keep jerking your. arvydas he's honest I'm like damn it. What's the best? What's the best job to have at the post office? Provide. Perspective. Probably Probably A. Postal. Inspector. What a postal victories do the basically the the police, the investigative branch of the post office I mean, they predate the police in the United States they they investigate pretty much everything I've. Bannon, right. Let's get. Exactly. So when they say mail fraud I mean obviously mail fraud or something. We hear a lot about is actually US postal inspectors the. The enforcement wing of the USPS that that goes after those guys it is Mila. Something as small as people stealing, you know a gift card out of the lobby. People. It's pretty serious. They're very serious and the I guess travel nonstop though. somebody's GonNa. Make like A. Law and order or CSI type show about. The Postal Specter's. Kind of amusing I mean I could see it actually you know I feel like every other branch of of enforcement in in the US government has pretty much recovered at this point. So USPS Colon Berkeley. The postal inspectors? On that note, I think it's a good time for us to take a break But when we return, we will do our favorites segment the good the bad and the WF. So let's take a break sick around. Go but we're still here. And we're going strong. It's an exciting time in Asian American more movies TV shows books and music reflecting than ever but also represent just a small slice of Asian American culture and experiences. So. What do we do? Tell more slices. Asian Americana is a show that explores these slices of distinctly Asian American culture and history. We've talked about how Chinese Americans built California Sacramento Delta the art. SCENE TURNS GALLERY INSTITUTION GIANT ROBOT. A play that explores the loss Cambodian pop music of the Sixties and seventies, and of course, phobia just to name a few stories. You can find Asian Americana at Asian Americana Dot Com or on your podcast APP. Approved. and. We're back arrived on the second half of the calls. Bruce. Is when we do our favorite segment, our signature segment, the good the bad and the WPF Jeff Yang would you please lay down the rules of engagement? I will. I. Will is the law. So. This is our signature segments, our round table segment, the good, the bad and the F.. In which we take a single topic and look at it from three different angles. The first is the positive thing about that thing. The thing that makes us feel warm inside fuzzy. Joyful. And then the second is the bad the negative the downside of that thing and finally devotee f. and the is kind of the wild card. It doesn't have to be good or bad. It's just something that we`re Still musing over. So puzzling over still not quite sure about and. As again, our tradition, we pick a topic that has something to do with our guest in sometimes we chime in as well. I think though this time we're GonNa actually just let you carry this one Kevin because we want to hear the good the bad and the dump t.f of working for the US. Postal Service. Again we encourage you to just you know vs personal as offbeat as as candid or. As. Candidates you WANNA be with this but the. Yeah give us some insights and we'll start with the. The good. So what would you say the good about working for the postal? Service. The good. ME. Honestly having pretty pleasant experience growing up. You know just like I was saying earlier where you had certain things that you would look forward to and getting mail and. Package it is when you order something that was that was definitely a huge part of it think being a part of the process this point in my life, you know giving some people something to look forward to. Some people don't look for some of the things that we deliver but. I think that definitely. Feels good. It's it's strangely rewarding if I'm sorting through stuff and I see a record or. Somebody's new. Even a new fan. You know there was a heat wave recently. And it's like, yeah, they're going to joy this. A. I'd bet they'd been waiting for this. Crop. That makes me feel good. You know it's like. Okay. We're the invisible hand quote unquote. Corneas sounds but. It's been a part of that. That's great. That's really I mean I I think that's really special You know thinking of yourself as part of that that process of. The. Fan. I just thought about that like somebody just got it. So damn hard winds that fucking fair. Daily. Seventy horns it's crazy. I. Don't think you haven't worked through an actual Christmas yet right But I am kind of curious if you happen to know what it's like not not so much just from the workload, but from the sort of. From that angle right a feeling like you really are Santa's helpers, you're the ells. I guess now I guess you're right. Have you heard any stories from other people like you know veterans kind of leaning back and saying? Oh. Yeah. This what it's like it's you know pretty much I. I would always reference when I would ask fear just anxiousness anxiety You know the lassie in Raiders of the lost Ark where there's that lone worker walking through that archive. Is it like that. Yes. I mean, it's like that every day so. It's You're like okay. Another loss talking the confident dammit. So we'll see we'll check back. Gave me guys. Come. December. We'll do that well November I know number you know we'll check in and. See how that whole process has been. So you know the other thing about the good that you're mentioning there is. It really does feel like we don't. Know How much work it takes to get a fan or a check or for that matter bill from one place to another and he said so many hands I'm kind of curious like. WE'RE STILL IN A. you know we I don't think we still we still take for granted. Let's put it that way. The fact that you can send a piece of mail in generally within three to five days get anywhere in the united. States at least the continental United States Bozell how many? What's the real in brief? What is the process? If like I put something in a mailbox today you said how many Hans it actually touch him. Who kind of magic happens? Probably, I would say at least a half dozen heads. So you drop it in the mail box, you never L. Vox or wherever it's picked up by the carrier it goes. To. The station. And then generally onto a truck to a distribution of processing center and from there. Depending on where it's going. Basically mirrors that process and ends up at the at the destination. It's like planes are involved trains. Trucks are involved. Human hands on all sides. It's. Amazing piece of clockwork. All right. So that's the good. Now let's get to the dark side. Arms. What is the bad a working at the US Postal Service? So I am told and. It is true. that. If you've worked there. For Ten Years Thirty Years Forty years and you want to transfer. Out, of state. To another city. That you lose all of your seniority. and. You'd have to start from the ground up. What Yeah Yeah so if you if you`re you're care started as a carrier you work your way up to. I don't know. Some top tier I think you have to start over. Yeah it's it's pretty. Ridiculous. Yeah. What's the reason for that? Is Because you? Know, I don't know. But what I was told about half psychopath this is ridiculous. The change. There's some there's some. There's some things in place that are just a little. Little. Draconian. Brutal? I feel like me part of it is that the post office even though it's a national entity, it's very much a neighborhood thing. Right and the people who work there probably tend to work there for very long time and it's like you're not going to have somebody coming from another neighborhood switching over here real office and I'm like, okay. So he was like. You know King of the hill over there for twenty years but we don't know him. You know it's like, yeah. Does, it is that actually Are the. So are there any other like one of the things which I I think all of us are kind of curious about is like that notion of? Being a mail carrier right I mean even now like you still physically have to. As a carrier bring huge amounts of staff door to door. I mean you're not a carrier I know but I I mean, you probably have some visibility into what that lifestyles like I imagine it's It's rough, right? It seems. Yeah. It seems pretty I. Mean they deal with what they're out there. Getting Stung by wasps. In harassed getting bit chased her bid my dogs that the dog thing is true. I don't know what it is. Now full support for the carriers up there. I mean they're they can be the salty as people, the most you loving people and desert you. We develop these relationships with our carriers in neighborhoods. I don't think people actually know what they go through out there I mean what they have to do to bring bring bring people stuff. It's absolutely incredible and wonder how many miles an average carrier has to walk in a year and how many pounds they carry you know collectively. I wish I I've been wanting to ask the the people there. I avalanches to see what their steps are per day. I wonder about that too. Jeff Jeff, do you know the name of your carrier? I must say I do not do. You. Do you know who the looks like have you seen him or her her actually? Yeah I. DO I DO RECOGNIZE My carrier. And I've lived for two years. I should now, right But you know one of the things is this I'm until recently, I've not been at home most of the time when meals delivered and So in the past you know postal service postal delivery it was something where you know I guess 'cause the way people's days and schedules work. You'd be like their surly Saturdays I guess you'd be there and by the way Saturday mail delivery. Amazing right we don't think about it but the the male, the male actually coming on weekends is something which a lot of other countries don't have. A male going for as as expensive sounds to put a stamp on something these days. Sorry, it's nothing to how much it cost to mail stuff in other countries While we're the places, you don't get door to door service. You know there's a lot of stuff you have to pick up from local. Like convenience stores and stuff like that. So it's We just don't give enough love to the the American version of of how meals delivered but I I I feel I don't have a personal relationship with my mail carrier and now I feel kind of like Shit. WE'RE NOT going. To. Deport a finger and. Make. You feel that way I, just I was just curious. I mean I'm just curious how other people were late to their relationship with their. Their you know their individual carrier it's But you know I I feel like this time. Everything we've been talking about between Colvin and. Trump's assault on the postal service. It's been an interesting time for for PR. For for Postal Service right I mean everyone suddenly is very. You know the some of the very cognizant of of. The the pulse value in their lives, and there's been a kind of resurgence of appreciation I. Think for for you know the service on that will also individual carriers. You know I I would very much like to think that. Yeah, that it is it is something last beyond pandemic. We'll see. If we if any of us. Survive beyond this pandemic. Survive. The rest of the year. Yeah. My Gosh. That's a that's a pretty good segue. As we wonder that to the third and final round of our. Our round table segment, and that is the T. F. in this case, the WTO of working at the Postal Service and. Again. This can be just questioned. You have a very you know any weird instance you can share things. You didn't know that you now know like big did you knows Frankly the cockroach thing is already pretty damn big. We work six days a week I mean, it's not an eight hour day job. It's nine to eleven to twelve to sometimes I, think the Max is fifteen hour days. So you know I once worked from eleven to eleven I think is. Is it something where you have to work until like the mail is done or? How does that we're? Not. while. Sometimes depending on where you are and what you're doing the work to be done but he can't just leave leave things hanging. It's not it's not one of those jobs you know it's not like coating a website there just long days and it's it's it was shocking. You know they told me that the hours are long and you know are are you ready for this? Sure. It's I. Don't think it's completely wild to me that I'm still doing this. Yeah. Six days a week is a little extreme think about. Think about your uncle and grandfather and stuff who did it for how many years you know I, I don't even know in the modern think about them. They're pretty pleasant. Wasn't guys have having gone through that and I respect them and love him so much for that. I just want weekends back. I asked. My coworkers has been. Thirty two years asked her the. Last month. Hey how long did it take you to have weekends go thirteen years Are you serious? Crazy, while before we before we sign off I, mean since we're still in the WF moved. Any kind of interesting stories besides the cockroach thing. That you've come across in working there so far. I mean maybe especially in the context of of the weird times we're in right now like have you actually had any any weird circumstances or? Situations occur that you observed were part of not necessarily weird but regarding the current climate. With election coming up. So people. With Political Mail, you cannot throw it away until after the elections are over. It doesn't matter what it is. I Guess WanNa. Sunday. Somebody was what they call walked I. Guess they had somebody come in and I think I think it was a postal inspector and they saw that there was global nail and recycling Escorted out. Wow. Yes. So that's We we're giving a talk. They're saying that this this this election more than any other in history is probably the one that. Everybody's GonNa. Keep Beekeeping and so it's it's just not worth it. So all political ones to be regarded as basically the most valuable thing right now that we need to make sure people get it. No matter. What side you're on and Play out. That is amazing. I. Mean. We're. On so many levels. Amazing but it's like. Putting stuff in recycling and then. And then being told. That you know doing so as a federal crime, which is right. There prosecuted. I. Mean They were there for like twenty five years done within seconds. Yeah, Massoud away for you should. See that somebody went into work yesterday. Do I WANNA. Like jokingly. threw. It's crazy because That's goes directly in the trash as soon as it comes to my into my mailbox you. pull it out. Directly to. The recycling bin so. I didn't even look at who who's who's running what measure it's advertising, but you know. So. That's that's you know that's wild well. I you know. I think just that very anecdote underscores how critical The Mail Service isn't is you for all of us, but also how seriously the post services taking this moment I mean that's That's that's wild like literally just people saying. We are. The guardians of this moment we are the the people who. People are GONNA look to say if this didn't work like history has is on us. That is pretty amazing. Amazing your who would have thought that the postal service would be sort of our last bastion and trenchant to. Preserve, freedom. Freedom, and justice. And yet, here we are. Well. Let me say then. Kevin. Thank you for your service. Thanks so Kevin. Where can people find you online if if at all? Well I have a website for the design work which is not updated as frequently as it was it's a viral optic dot com. That has links to everything every every every creative. Outlet so viral dot. com I'm on social media that doubt really update it. Do you want to share a little bit a little bit more about the kind of of do you do a lot of design work for for like bands and music and stuff with that right? Yeah. I've been doing that for a long time kind of a side hustle like you guys were talking about you know hustling. It's just part of my existence as well as doing a lot of art direction and design for. For underground bands. Experimental or metal. I've worked for publishers. I worked for Actually Comic Book Publisher. Comic Book Publisher you to the walking dead. Yeah for Image Comics did the licensing digital rights I did. ADS At designed for them as well I've I've worn so many hats guys it's it's pretty incredible and here you are wearing a an unexpected one. In her our time of greatest need Kevin our time Magritte's need. But. No. seriously. Not. Even not even. Planning here thank you for your service and for the postal services service in time just become. So clear to us how important it is. Absolutely you're welcome. Jeff, where can people find you? I am at a regional spin pretty much everywhere on the digital. Thing we call the Internet I would give you my postal address, but that's private guys. What you feel. You'd find me at angry Asian man on more social media and I'm angry DOT com. You can find they call spruce at Kohl's Bruce and you can find on apple podcasts. Give us a rating review would really appreciate it helps people find the show if I may I'd like to plug my brand new podcast that. Just launched, it is a super narrow nerdy niche of a show, but it is called all the Asians on Star Trek. It's a podcast in which I interview all the Asians on star, Trek. So in these dark times, it's kind of this. Thing that? That I've launched in really look forward to sharing with the world. So check out all the Asians on STAR TREK DOT com. That does it for this episode of they call US Bruce. Kevin genuine. Thank you so much for your time and. Once again, thanks for your service and the Postal Service. Thanks for having us. All right everybody until next time piece. You've been listening to they call US Bruce with Jeff Yang and Phil you. Our theme music is by Carol One. Our producer is Nick Song. They call US Bruce as a member of the POTLUCK podcast collective featuring unique voices and stories from the Asian American community. Find out more at PODCAST POTLUCK DOT com. And thanks for listening.

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"You rebels radio presents the two of US shorts with Naomi Watterson Albert Frederick. High this is naming lattice welcome to the US shots myself Alba freshdirect talking to people across the globe about that pandemic experience. On its relationship to creativity, mental health emotional wellbeing. And, as always I'd like to trick a warning. These adult shows of the themes will be complex and interesting, and maybe it sometimes be triggering. If you're over ten the disposition today, put this on pause and put market for later saw otherwise dime, right. It gives me huge pleasure to introduce. A fellow artist photographer. Sculptor I got a lot of shrinks to by the lovely. Paloma Kandara have I said that correctly. Yes. Now I think when I first saw your work very slow your photographer, but that's quite limited description of what you do. You used photography to record. Your body an interactions with the sculptures you make so photography doesn't seem to be an adequate description. How would you describe yourself in terms of your work? I think I would describe myself as happy while artist. my background as you say is in a sculpture, but I found photography a way of. Doing Myself! In maybe in a different medium. I remember. After graduating are thinking. how GONNA. WORK AS SCULPTURE LIKE! I'm never going to be able to afford an escort jer like. Warehouse! Like appropriate studio so. When I started working in photography and I found that I will combine both mediums. It was like a wonderful way of like. With. A medium that. Me To. Maybe have less space because I don't know like with photography unique to have a huge studio to work. On I think that's why, at a No. I found like a way of combining two of my passions in my practice. In terms of your work now so drawing this pandemic chapter. How's your work being addressing that? Do you think? Okay Yeah I guess Set to be on his part of me, have to Kind of remember. How are you still abduct I think? During this isolation period, I felt Obata. I guess lost like I don't know why so do like. You know we don't have really guidance even about in terms of like going out in and I. Think I said to you in my old work. And I don't like maybe. Taking what I used to do before when I did a have like even in mediums to that myself. and. I haven't create much I. Have Been just reading mostly unthinking. And definitely I'm sure that decides. Election. Period will come into my ad work at being. I always work with my personal experiences. And I often have responses of the experiences through life. Making art. I've been thinking. It will be lake a specific a piece about isolation. But I think it will be maybe thrust laid in some of the languages. In the pace. If that makes sense does make sense because I think recommend anybody to look at your website. Because you often through themes Kazoo up to your your mother, your health having children I'm off on sometimes the body work. Is Simultaneously so fragile and strong, because it's your boating us in the work, and your faces faces sometimes. The thing that marks as most personal, but sometimes with the names of your work, the thing that makes it most personal for me. So how would you describe the themes that you're exploring or any is compelling things that you're looking at and your word? You're always. Drawn to over and over again. I think one of the things I look at the most east. How I would for these are like Basil's and how we are A. kind of like containers, so we contain in our own body. It contains you know our organs. But? Also you know our inheritance, our genetics and Mostly who we are lake is like where we come in from, but also even the memories and the trauma that we have through our lives are contained in this single body, and I think there's something that I often like look. And Reset. Something? That recently I have been thinking a lot about. human condition on what is. What if? health. Is actually the natural. Way of the human condition. What if actually illness east the natural way? And, then he's health something that maybe we haven't asked in society because we have to you know, produce and work and buffoon Shannon but Osama. Human beings we transform. And I keep thinking about this transformation and our body how you know. If you think about it. I don't remember my hands. When I was five years old. I know they would small. But then like you know, they have transform, and then you bully keeps changing and the same way physically change we chains. Internally. And I think those are the subjects I think. I kind of like I got rhythm. To make what? I think it's really essential. It's quite radical to save the. Health might not be the natural state of being that Warren the slow of state of. Of? Transformation and some the K.. Because of necessarily, but that baron flocks and the body isn't static and I think. Sometimes about so health narratives the body scene is very static. In at this point, I just say to people just put this on pause and go on the website because people will be able to say how you interact with these sorts of. Sculptures with sometimes the worte or uncomfortable or cellular. Did you do that consciously away? You just working towards the same when you just. Were overtaken by something on the knew that this was the. The sort of route you hats take. I have always worked very organically like I think I have always find. That I want to what with my hands yeah. I think they thought and a I don't know working with material and I liked to transform day materials into new things. So for example, my recent work on mutability. I started collecting these empty. Khartoum's and I didn't know the race on I just suddenly driven by like taking their. And then I. make paper much with them and I created new shapes of X.. which are oversized? I'm really big. and. Wasn't after half after I did the schouten when I realized I'm actually talking about for Tilleke I'm. Kind of wondering and questioning the balance in between. I were Maybe, genetics and our personal choices ourselves will. So I think in terms of my career in terms of all the. Protests are a half. I think everything came I. Being. Playful, maybe trying to find a way of how can I express? Is something that I have in me? With materials that I can find around the house or around normally. I work with things that they are accessible like textiles or things that I come find easily, so I start like make. I'm and then. Is When I. Like maybe you star. into the salary I guessed are and finding a way of. Keeping. The boys all of making a meaning of it. And I was playing now you are explaining what it sounds like especially with your own mutability, I've seen some of those already on the website as well. I'm there's something really poignant about them about what the egg means, 'cause it. Just slow to offer Tila. See but now. For me, they've added meaning because of what in this pandemic about giving birth to a new world, because it's about possibilities and perhaps lost possibilities so I think. The symbolism of an egg is so wonderful I'm so. Some meaningful guess but I find Yeah I think you make sense because I think if you came to vote? Gun To make a project exploring fatility or this I'm GonNa make a project about that. I am now going to get these egg cartons. You wouldn't have the same project very fact that your sort of guided by something within you hasn't got a voice. Yeah, but it's guidance you think. Make such powerful work. And I know it's true of all photography. Because what we do with photography, we take our photographs wherever they may be on the three dimensional for the most part. is made two dimensional light paintings. There's something that happens with the squashing of what we say, but because they used to saying. You know photographs in our lives anyway. The sort of used to the fact that that's no longer three dimensional. It's the to died venture representation of a three dimensional thing, but what I think with your work. is still remains three dimensional. It still fails. Very physical and there's almost some. Choreography in it so when you move. How much do you plan that or is that again? This sense of being led by something unjust. Feeling your way through. Usually! I get inspired ray often by classical paintings. Mostly classical sculptures like I love going to like Radius Museum or or seeing you know like? The News on all of these they PC's. Of Of Marble. So. Okay, so it's codeshare is preservation. You know of of the body if I come say. I think I. Keep in my mind. These images of like how you know this is corporate housing. But then when I am making my own work. Is Not like a think about those postseason, but. Thing is again. Some kind of Cathartic way has some kind of like. I star. Posing and the moment I do the photographs I feel. Relief in my body is just somehow like is really Cathartic way, so it's not like I. Don't have anything ready. Because obviously you know like sometimes I. Try to find. Yes I say like maybe classic Postures. But but I well, I found like. What's my buddy wants at the time? And I feel okay. You know if I if I feel like, sit down if I feel like standing up I. Let Myself Go. It's not like Ian though half any. Guidance. Yeah I follow my lead them. But that that's beautiful and do when you have like this, so it's a photo shoot, which almost seems like? Less like trump's to. You'll just take him over. That might be taken over by package of news that can be done into it, and you don't plan. Your move moves to just find your way through and like you said defined rhythm as a solitary experience. Do you have lack assistance or other people around? Do while still doing that? Say Do that or do just as you on both sides of the Lens in the studio. Creating this work. I'm I. Often have are people who helped me and I'm so grateful. Light really. Thanks, everybody who has helped me in the studio because. It is so hard to balance all these objects by yourself and having to press the shutter. Is often you know like It is really nice to have someone there with you. But in many ways you know because. It is Is it. I like to have people who is like personally intimate with me as well. I often feel like I meet around me. That understand my words a nice going to understand me. Lying what I'm doing! So yeah I I do have. People helping me because I realized as your friends. I've never asked his I'm because the images quite solitary. I've just imagined you own your own somehow. impossibly gun from the fragile Al Pose Holding these fragile things and complex positions, and then suddenly leaping up. Taking the. Assad. How does she do it? She's amazing, but it's like you say it's like there has to be people you trust around you who are doing some of the technical stuff, but there are also witnessing the relationship. Let's evolving. With yourself, and so now I'm thinking now is to know about the process of your work a bit more. What spin yourself emotional experience of the pandemic. Have you been able to draw on? Not just your creativity, but by approach of. Finding a rhythm, not enforcing rhythm on yourself. How slat helped toll? In. Dealing with the the unknown. steelite trying to. To find out like how even feel in this period. At first. I Trust Eve will be only lag. Nah We would like a month maybe. Longer but not really. So I didn't even. Start creating anything like it was kind of like. An enforced videoed. Oh. Late just being at home, so. It's not like can add TV D.. O. Inspiration is just GONNA come because I am not working like. Other thing for me works that way, not because I have. All of these like free weeks Saturday I'M GONNA. Make a masterpiece leg east even often when. I am BC when you know videos of lie heavy like word. When silently I found that I need to create the most and I think because say scape for my mind to create art. And now because I have all of these time available every. Time I. Don't know I, just I. Find, it really difficult to. Properly focused on and make something. So. I think I have been trying to. Be really responsible in a sense of. Okay you know. I am not going to leave as I used to leave before the pandemic because that's the whole point. that. Since supposed to feel the same way as before or the wise. We are not doing things right. so I think this has been. A might add of. That I into. s still make my own work like in. I'm. Even looking archives on the inter- night till to keep inspired myself, but. Being gentle with myself and thinking well, if I'm not finding the three men to make. It took. The? Let's really mature because I think people responded very differently. Some people making law. 'cause that fails a support for them. And I think it's like three dislike. Of were that some constraints by himself. You know you're working. Go Daydream This that I'm the Newark as well. You seem to flower Shandra certain sort of pressure is quite good for you, but now let you save got open-ended time I'm that's not helping. But you'll reading some ready curious to know what you're reading. So. I am reading the story of pain. And I think is quite fascinating like to see. I I love the title because. Now called the story of pain because pain can be dated. And I absolutely love the fact that you know is a human experience. And even everybody feels pain differently. Manasseh how other people react to pain? As well like a very different. ways. Sill at the moment on. I was trying to see if I call. Make some kind of parade. About pain. but I am there. I just don't know he's GonNa? Come or ice coming back here. And what was it that really attracted you to the apart from the fact that it's not a history? It's a story which makes it sounds like there's multiple experiences. Why did you fail that? You need to be a? Why did you feel you needed to read that book? I guess he came up after conversation with another artist and live way of. We were both in the same boat of. Item feel like creating now like I. Don't know how I like an talking about. I guess it is when you have lost someone in your life like I lost my mom. When I was quite young, so. I just think. It is then when you realize. The pain! That means to. Lose, this. On now that we are in this pandemic. things feel like. The people who is not taking the precursors that they still it may be because they didn't lose their loved ones. I think. Thinking about all of the, and. Watching US welcome documentaries about you know they black black play, and if past pandemics everything. I I so something that. Pain transform you and Bain transform societies and paint transform humans, and because I am in this loop about transformation I feel. He we on bow, lay in this moment of uncertainty and pain, and I want to know how the pain is going to transform us the same way. I felt transformation. Loosen my mother. How always society transforming I'm how you know. We are going to come out of this if excess. I just want to get the book as soon as we get off this interview. I'M GONNA. Be Looking for on long during big Old Burgess thing I. I think that about the pain being transformative. Because I was talking with my mom, she's nine to online she's. She's lived through the Second World War. She's quite stoical I was talking with him wondering when these incredible pressurizing situations. Why disarm paypal seem to be. Afflicted with the most awful trauma and trauma, especially like PTSD IN COMPLEX PTSD, it's like stock record. It goes round and round round, and other people seem to feel quite stoical. And that was like there seemed to be like a fork in the road between. Different experiences, and then I then I thought was the by intergenerational trauma when. Generations have got the. Freedom to even begin to explore their pain. So they push it down and they carry on. Keep calm and carry on something, and then the next generation, the generation of that other people to express the full extent. What's happened? I mean that's a complex so. Discussion because it can't really be measured than there is something about intergenerational drum being real thing. But. As far as just add in what you're saying about the Trans formative quality of pain which egner. Has Everything you know it's sadness, but it also has optimism at has. Sold about creating new meaning and living differently. So thank you for the answer I've got one more question. And Desperate HOUSEMAN PEOPLE I've. Thought about a world or question, asking them to respond to win whatever way and I've done a bit of a you of just use the intuitively. I've just been writing down the. So the question for you is. Where is home? I think. Many places I think nowadays. A home is where I feel safe. Home is where item feel myself. And I think I half few homes nowadays. So I, feel that I have a home here in England. Because I feel at home at my house with my boyfriend and I feel like he made me feel at home and my friends around me. I feel at home. But then I have my home in a Spain, and that would always be my home so when I go back to my parents on my see my dad and my brother. is like a nevertheless. Then I don't remember you know. When did I leave like you know this is my home. I. Think Yeah I think yeah. I yeah at the end. You can't bill home. As long as you have your loved ones around. You know anywhere. Slow beautiful. Slash mice ONS Absolutely, love lay I think that's a really nice place to. End The interview that's. Tender. Soft place, but just say huge signed Q to Paloma. People can find you online. They can enjoy your work. The really comprehensive websites so people can say they can. Follow you on Instagram Social Megyn. They want something more current, but I definitely definitely recommend anybody. To go to your website, because work is absolutely outstanding. Airs I love your work. That's absolutely amazing. It's like. What you say, and then your talk about transmission, the your life has changed after Ucla new. Bring something entirely new. To the home. I, suppose. Whole Canon. All artists everywhere such thing as possible, but you just you're adding meaning on. It's also a beautiful. That's the album thing it's not only. Meaningful and a thought provoking unharmed opening beautiful to look at. So united to win Win Win I. Say I'm a fan anyway, so thank you so much. And huge hawks to you. Thank you so much. Now me was good food and thank you for only cost this and I hope I answered everything well, and if anyone has any question. I have my contact in my website so I'm always happy to. Answer more questions if anyone wants to know more of my word, or they would like to cooperate or any kind of. Information. So I. Keep saying. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. The wonderful music you can have by gaffe a Brian if you like the show, please subscribe this plenty of episodes. Listen to pass the good news stable.

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The Hows of Us Special 01: Netflix Talks

The Hows of Us

39:53 min | 10 months ago

The Hows of Us Special 01: Netflix Talks

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100a: They Call Us Bao Nguyen

They Call Us Bruce

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100a: They Call Us Bao Nguyen

"Hello and welcome to another edition. They Call US Bruce unfiltered conversation, but what's happening? A Nation America I'm Phil You. And Jeff. Yang and we always say we have a very special podcast, but this podcast is particularly special, because it's actually one of two that together we're calling. Our one hundredth podcast are centennial podcast. Special supersonic. It's the PODCAST podcasts. BE THEY CALL US Bruce of big calls. Bruce's. And it makes sense that we are as a result going to focus on his to podcasts on kind of the economist figure behind our podcast. And as a result, we are incredibly fortunate to have with us. Bowed win! Who is the director of documentary for ESPN called water. Of none other than. Bruce Lee. Bow. Thank you so much for joining us and welcome to the podcast now it's a real honor to be part of it I remember when I was making the film and just seeing all the podcasts that. You guys recording. I I hope I get on this test with this. I. Guess. Dare you to put I? Can Get on the podcast. You. I mean come on, man you a documentary about Bruce Lee. That is our name Sake. And For the record. It is a legit documentary. It's Let me get out of the way and say I I'm so glad you made it and I'm so glad I watched it It's fantastic, so of course of course Rene on Dude. I will say that having Phil put his stand his sort of good housekeeping seal of approval. There is pretty amazing given the fact that. I think between the two of us. We certainly seen virtually every Read consumed I've drunk Bruce St. Artifact of the man himself, but Phil actually curated his life for winglets. Museum's exhibition on the man and. I mean. As somebody who's a lifelong myself and also somebody who? Just watching the film watching this documentary I. We're just saying before we came on on the actual broadcast. This the first document have seen which I think really puts Bruce Lee into context in ways that I I think he needs to be within the context of civil rights within the context of. The Post War era, within the context of coming off of literally decades of Chinese exclusion in a way that I don't think I've seen before and. To that especially well a day after the end of the Asia Pacific market, heritage months I got a tip my cap. I'm I'm very appreciative because. I. Obviously, the title of the Podcast I've known Phil for for many years in I've gone to the exhibition in Seattle and seeing Phil's name kind of right in after most of the. Pieces Sam He wrote all of it basically other than some things that Shannon wrote I would say burden, but I felt like a responsibility, especially TV Asian Asian American community to tell the story right of and just again. It's Bruce Lee and I I kind of. Transformed Bet responsibility in thought of it more as a privilege, the privilege to be able to tell Bruce's story in the context that you're talking about jeff to a larger audience that don't really know about Bruce Lee in this way. can we rewind a little bit like Can you talk about maybe your? Your relationship with Bruce Lee I think we're probably around the same age, so i WanNa, so maybe you could talk about like. What does Bruce What did Bruce Lee mead, you growing up? By. Thank I came into Bruce. Wor were came into my life in many ways. I was born ten years after enter. The dragon came out, so I wasn't necessarily like watching his films and. Urban Chinatowns I was watching them in syndication on Saturday afternoon Saturday night, television and recently was more of a name to be kind of this mythical figure than an actual person. Martial Artists were movie star, and I just remember being like eight or nine years old. And watching and seeing a briefly on screen in enter the Dragon, and just being blown away because all the depictions of. Of Asian Americans special. Asian American males were. Not, necessarily positive in terms of what how they were beating depicted onscreen in television and film they were either side kicks or villains or servants, and to see a someone who looked like me. be a leading man. Play a hero on screen was. Something that was on spiring, and from that day on i. just remember that moment as of seeing Bruce Lee, and over time I think with my generation the name again. Is a myth in a legacy and legend at a person, so that's a one of the reasons I made the Phil. I've gotta say it's at one of the really amazing things about this documentary. Is. Not just you got to speak to. Because you did speak to all of his baseball living contemporaries, you spoke to his family and you I think really again. Deepening contextualized it critically historically by speaking to film critics culture critics. Jeff Chang. But I really feel like you have images and footage, and our thanks in there that I've I've not seen four and. Especially going back into the years before he came the Bruce, Lee, we know right, or we think we know. It I mean. When you're actually looking, tell the story and tell it not of the legacy not of the legend but of the man. You had to. UNCORK has the historical bottle right in get access to footage are kind one otherwise. That probably was very tough to get. I mean okay before that. How did you first come to this project? And once you actually came this product? presumably were offered it. What were the first thing your mind about how you had to do this? To stand up the other. The other attempts to tell his story passed. So my last film, was about Saturday night live called live from new. York came out a few years ago and It was. It was a behind. The scenes look into Saturday night live. It was Kinda revolved around their fortieth anniversary, and how Saturday night live impacted American culture political culture, celebrity culture. And I bring up that film is. The reason. I bring up that because. I what I head of specific point into Saturday night live as immigrant American My parents Vietnamese refugees and they didn't let me watch a Lotta television. The only thing I was watching the news, the eleven pm news each night. As a kid, growing up in the eighties and nineties, that was kind of a dark way to learn about America. And and so you know Saturday was the one night I could stay up past eleven, thirty and media after the news with Saturday night live and. That was how I learned about Hop Culture American political culture, so that's how I approach my last fill and with be water. There's a connective tissue in that I. I like to look at kind of these. American iconic institutions cultural institutions that people think that they already know so much about. But what is the Lens set? I can bring as immigrant American as an Asian American. That's a little unique, a little different from what's been part of the conversation narrative about narratives about these institutions and. At the time. The AB White House documentary. Come out. There was a really great documentary about Marlon Brando Cutlass. Marlin, never really personal looks into these very iconic figures and I was just thinking like. An icon that I would love to see on a more personal level in recently immediately came to mind because again. My generation knows precisely. And to kind of unpack that mythology is something that I I try to do a filmmaker and that's kind of how the idea came about in. Until. into in a way, use it as as A. Conversation piece for the Asian American experience too because I figured what who's a better vessel, talk about Asian, American history and just. What. Our community has gone through them Bruce. Lee in a way. I was trying to hide the vegetables in the desert of precisely right. I've seen as as Jeff mentioned before. I've I've done a lot of reading watching. Kind of consuming a Bruce Lee. And you know there's been a ton of documentaries about him made about him by like different kinds of. Biopic of various quality There's been a lot of. Bruce Lee myth, making like telling of historically and you know this is definitely like the most decidedly asian-american take I've seen at this level you know. You definitely, get this insight into. We take it for granted. You know so the impact that Bruce Lee had, and how it's reverberated through across the decades and across the world actually. But putting it in in the timeframe that you do and and really showing that and digging deep in seeing sort of like what he had to go through, it really does put in perspective their true like trail-blazing that he was doing. We take for granted that you know so the action hero stuff, and but like I mean it was really. He had to fight this like one man battle. To really establish himself and I. and to see that from a true Asian American perspective in time we're. We're like still talking about. You know Asian Americans in Hollywood and all that stuff. It's pretty. It's pretty insightful. It's very cool. I mean I appreciate that because that was another one of the reasons I made fill the. Two Thousand Fifteen. Thousand Sixteen when I just came up with the concept and We, we constantly talk about inclusion representation as we should be and I wonder like in the nineteen sixties when the war was just starting and previous, the previous decade was the Korean War in decade before that was or to where the Japanese was seen as the enemy. How did someone like Bruce Lee with the asian-american face? Make it in Hollywood and when again when the face of the enemy is the Asian face. It made me think that's what I wanted to kind of dive deeper into like what were the struggles of recently like? How did he make it in in? Hollywood and I mean the tragedy is really that he did it. Make it in Hollywood until he died until after. Enter! The dragon premiered after his death and. One of the things. I wanted to feel too, is that? The tragedy of his death. Because there's we all know that he passed away or for the most part of snow that he passed away in New Zealand. every time I watched the documentary. It felt like it was just. It just happened right it was. I didn't feel like I knew precisely as a person. Enough for me to feel like it was tragic that it felt like a personal loss to the people that were talking about him in the cell, and that was another a goal of mine in making this film. I think that you know There's there's a sense in which. Bruce. Lee is like one of those. Figures who are conic in our community to the point that all of us at some point who engaged with being Asian American I think maybe especially. Asian, recommend. Eventually have to pass through some sort of engagement and understanding. of of what Bruce Meant. Bruce Means. I do feel like. There's something about the way the you present in this documentary that was. Really special in that. This wasn't simply. Wasn't simply treatment that. Sort of showed him as somebody who. was. Fully fourche. As Bruce Lee. This is kind of going back to that point about the looking at him in childhood, looking at him in his youth looking at. His emergence his growth. Even as a kid and as a kid actor for that matter. Looking at him on screen I mean I think a lot of people who are fans don't know that he was actually a very successful actor in Hong Kong. Long before he became martial arts are connery sunny martial arts, but you'll really saw those things special about him. Something magnetic and Everything as he grows older. You see this sort of the building of of this iconic figure. I'm kind of curious. As, you were actually going through all the different elements sifting through all the different things you could have included. Well first of all, where did you begin? How did you start accruing the things that can togetherness and What? What was sort of your. curatorial standard if you will, what will try to actually assemble in putting together his life, and can I also at? Is it, is it? It's my understanding that actually you started this before you. The involvement of of ESPN is that right or Yeah so this film was in development for two or three years before ESPN had signed on, we were working with certain broadcaster, but that fell through, and then it kind of a sat for a little while and producer Julian Nottingham. She was really pushing me to kind of get this project in Jesus. Like you know the story be told for Your Voice Bow, and I was pretty kind of down in the dumps about the project because I saw like. You know as you were saying. There's so many briefly documentaries and I was like what can I add and she was always pushing me and she was like. Why don't we talk to a couple of other broadcasters that? Maybe we didn't think about before? ESPN came up in conversation. It wasn't immediate to me that he has. This would be a type ESPN facility film because. I. You obviously Bruce Lee is kind of A. Many ways he's a lot of things right He's a movie star. He's A. Father Martial arts icon, but in terms of like being sports like competitive sports figure I never put him in the same category as like a Michael, Jordan After watching Being a huge fan of thirty for thirty series I, realize like sports is just. It becomes part of the background of the story. The foreground is something deeper. Something Nuance about society. Air About. the individual and. And we approach ESPN nature jumped on it right away and I give them a lot of credit for just. For having faith, knowing that there's been a lot of documentaries in lot of narratives about briefly, the pass and yeah, they've been great to work with than said. To Answer Jeff's question. For me it's. I always get one. Put my invoice not literally in the film, but avid come from a place of. In personal experience and Again as an American male I never felt like. That story approves had been told and I think. Bruce has become such a global icon. that everyone takes ownership of him in because everyone takes ownership. His origins kind of get lost and I wanted to think of him as as that guy who came over to left on Kong with one hundred dollars in his pocket, and had the same journey that my parents had I mean my parents when they were in a refugee camp, they were in Hong Kong and then they came to America, so there's like a lot of parallels that I try to think of when I was building the story. The way that I felt was that was most intimate in that I've connected with and. So I. Kind of two thirds of the film. Wine is like the coming of age of Bruce. Lee Bruce became Bruce Lee and then coming history of how. The moment where Bruce Lee is rejected in Hollywood like. Why is an Asian American male not allowed to be a star in Hollywood in you know it goes back to all the different things that I I try to discuss in the film. The Chinese Exclusion Act Model Minority Myth. And it's just this. Is Confluence of stereotypes that are created from. From. Things that we we we That are evident in our foreign policy in the ways that we treat. Others Immigrant Americans immigrants And that kind of the stereotypes that of repatriated. Through Hollywood, it's just a suspicious cycle where what you see in Hollywood is what how people think people in society are and how people aren't societies how they're depicted in Hollywood right and so I always wanted to converge those two ideas of the coming of age in the coming of history, and that's that's kind of how I built the original idea still and to understand. Anyone's coming of age. You have to go where that curse lived in talk to the people who knew him best and that was very. Deliberate from the beginning that I wanted for the most part to talk to people who knew him intimately. This film wasn't about his legacy. It wasn't necessarily about how he changed the world or change history. It was about Bruce the person, and that meant going to Seattle. Going to you know the bay going to La going to Hong Kong and talking to people that have some people have never spoke to him on camera. One person who I think is. Is was the most insightful with amy. sandbelt his first gloves in America right and For there's you know there's a lot of people who say they know everything about received, but how many people have talked his I love America right. And not not to sound like to hurt in any way, but I think. I learned that how much the people that he met in his second return to America A, in fifty nine sixties of taught him. It wasn't Bruce. Lee is always known as the teacher right teacher martial arts to Steve McQueen and to Kareem abdul-jabbar. But when he came to America, he was very much a student of everyone that he met as well because that's how he learned about America through cleverer, who was a? You know his first student, but. But was also a victim of police brutality, and I think that really informed his worldview in his deal of America and then Amy Sambo who was a in the internment camps during World War Two in that help for Bruce Lee's identity of what it meant to be Asian. American, not just to be Asian and then obviously Kareem, later on in his life really taught him about the civil rights movement about black liberation, and all these things really. I took away that Bruce's a student as much as easily teacher he was. You know he's a sponge absorbing water as much as he was being water. Act WanNa say so I knew that any SAN low existed I knew that she was his first love. Of course I'd never seen her her her interviewed about this. I really felt like that segment. Where or the series of a quotes us from her in the conceptualization of incarceration, you know of Japanese Americans as part of Bruce's. If you will education America was incredibly powerful because it really did. Crystallize this notion. That, he wasn't. In Asia icon by accident that in some ways a lot of the things that that Fort Him as the Bruce Lee we know. Are Some of the same things that we continue to encounter individually. Asian Americans and the history is that we continue to learn synthesized from across. A gamut of experiences right many Dennis these in different races now. The very fact that he was. So close to somebody who. Was Japanese American right was both Japanese and American in that context and. Obviously. there. Are you know a lot of reasons why in in China and Hong Kong? Both Japanese people at an American people were probably held little suspect so for his his first. Real. Heartfelt relationship with somebody who? Was Japanese American is is something that is significant and the way she talked about her was him in the way that she as you pointed out educated him. I think. It just it brought to light things that I had not thought about regarding what went into his mind, not just his body and and his screen presence. You know I. I really love that like hearing about that part of his life when he first gets to Seattle and in the dog. It's so funny because you know you consider. You can nail it when you say that. All these people sort of informed his. His adult. Education. We think of Bruce Lee's like the coolest. Dude right. You, know like his persona. His is kind of celebrity persona became like this. Justice like like this icon of cool in style, but I love this I. Love the idea that Jesse Glover kind of taught him how to be like to care himself on the street like to be You know just to be more like on street level. And it reminds me of my one of my favorite images of bruises is his. Is Him and his like martial arts cohorts of that era where he the guy who is teaching and and fooling around with doing all the you know. The gyms, backyards and stuff like that. It's like this multicultural coalition you know and he's. He's like he was like a true bridge builder, and in a lot of ways like you really see this like Asian American identity truly forming during that time it's it's really kind of inciteful. That's one of the things that I took away to is that he was able to be in all? These really multicultural communities diverse communities at just in America, but in Hong Kong. He grew up the Hong Kong at the time. Was You know this is? A hub of trade for Asia instill is obviously but just his interactions, all different people in wanting to share his culture of one of the lines that says is that he always wanted this share the beauty of this Chinese culture to the world right and I think that heart is really It just felt really. Connected it to to it so much because. Again as as a as a Asian American the son of immigrant Americans, you're always trying to figure out where your place is in how you belong, but also where you came from, and I think he found that perfect balance of using his through his martial arts, and sharing that with with Jesse with Leroy and with Taki all these people that's how he connected with them and connected with America that he was in China tied in you know. Take away anything from his past, but just showing himself for who he was in an at the same time that they were doing the same in in teaching him about being cooler of. 'em How to drive a car. Shoot a gun or things like that. That are very American, and I think that is the beauty of kind of multiculturalism that we forget about today starting Thursday Siren. going. Everywhere all the time. It's the. It's the reality of the moment, my friend. And, so it's in a way. The film is kind of this. Argument for multiculturalism for a diverse America because. With diversity you can someone like Bruce. Lee is is the model American, and that's a beautiful thing and I hope people take that. Take Take that away from the film and they watch it. So. I want to actually a confront the title you know. It's obviously one of bruises. Sayings be water. Be like water, right? But. The way that he spoke about it was from the context of how water is both. Given right you can, you can punch watering. It does not change just returns to its form, and also it is penetrating can basically cut through anything given enough time or not force one of the things I think I take out of your documentary. And even when we're talking about here is something else about water, which I think is I mean literally this I thought about it and. It bounces off this idea of Bruce as kind of having this. Avatar like Asian American experience, right having born here, but having to go away to find himself and come back again. You know coming back here and immersing himself learning to learning to America basically right, but then fighting that he was not truly allowed to succeed in the society, having to find himself elsewhere in case going back to Hong Kong on to Hong Kong in order to. Embrace of both his culture and also. An opportunity to to create himself, but the thing about water that that to me really stood out here. Is this notion that water? Water blends it immerses it when you bring water into other things, it synthesizes those things right if you put a bunch of things in water, the altar of melt into the water in the water is. Informed by those things and when you look at. The history of his life. As. Put together this documentary. You really do see that that every piece of his life was meaningful. As short as life was to was the fact that his first student was an African. American man the fact that he did. Bring together the diverse group of people. And taught them something which. which he was both inventing and also kind of bringing synthetically again for many different routes if he'd learn himself. There's a real sense in which the emblematic nature of water as something that. Melts things to synthesize things that you know is a unifying force in some fashion. Is Powerful theme in in the documentary made is just read of it, but it feels to me something that. To me. Tells me something about what we need to be. As Asian Americans today. Right that if we are to the water, we are to learn how to American and learn how to be. Asian American learn how to be Asian in Diet than diets. Pork Asian world. That ability to flow and to immerse and then to. Bring things together into one. I mean that's what we. I mean I'm I'm glad you bring up this point because I think a lot of people who some peop- I should say some people who see the film. Don't kind of get the connection to quote in the film itself in Bruce's life a they see it in just this very singular ways again. This is a quote. He said they don't necessarily tie it to to. How he lived, his life, said also for me I. Think, it's important to think of I. Mean With everything you said Jeff I think for me like. Is kind of this metaphor for water right. To how we hit these rocks like away, we're hitting a rock now at the present time, and how throughout the film Bruce Hips, these rocks in America or Structurally the film pixies moments like. China exclusion actor, Japanese internment and civil rights, and those are things that America. Crashes into them, and we feel that crash vary visibly in viscerally or somehow finds a way around it and keeps on progressing. I think Pru saw that, too, like when? Let's say the rock of night getting. The lead in gum food, right and him deciding to go to Hong Kong and he so he's finds a way to kind of get around that. And it's always progressing. There's never stagnation help pre sought about his life and for me. That's what that's how I personally think about America that it's a it's a continually evolving experiments That's still really young and trying to find its identity and There's moments like the moments that we're going through right now. The The incident in Minnesota and people finally realizing the plight of African Americans in how they've been treated. So poorly inhumanely by. Almost everyone in America and but how do we look at this moment it? How do we find a way to get around? It be fluid and not thinking. This is the end that we always have to be kind of optimistic about where we can go next as an American people. Can I ask before we start moving into? Our are the second half of the show. Can I ask about just so when you start to make this movie? You know a lot of people in the film are people have seen in other sort of Bruce? Lee People talking about Bruce Lee being interviewed about briskly. There are people close to him and surrounded him in his life. When you start a project people and be like a making a documentary about Bruce Lee. What happens like? Do you have to show your credentials like I mean like people because I'm sure that happens all the time. People are like approaching these people about interview him about about knowing Bruce. Approaches you had to talk to Linda and Shannon like. What's what what is it that what happens is like you're the next guy who wants to make a Bruce Lee doc, so. Like, what exactly like what are you met with when that happens? Yeah, I mean obviously there's plenty of people who approached Linda and Sharon and most everyone that I spoke to, and you're like. Yeah, another Bruce Lee documentary I I've made my peace with story passed away forty plus years ago and What one more year to say about Bruce and Again I came in with a very personal approach to the film like. Me As an Asian American I have never seen. Story Bruce Lee told in. That lightens and. In terms of the conversations specifically about representations, the struggles that he had to go through. Not Making it about his legacy or impact. Because for the most part since everyone knew him so intimately, and personally, the conversation about legacy and impact is kind of. Moot to them because. They live. They know him so well that it's. A they don't think of him as a mythological figure, these think of him as Bruce, right and I think again by having this specific approach that I followed through on. When making the so when conceptualizing the film? it. It opened their ice. Okay, this is a side of Bruce that may be hasn't been told, and I was fortunate enough for a lot of people towards of from the interviews. Telling me you know those are the questions that I've never been asked before. Tracy to think like people whose are gave the known as being frightens Bruce Lee right instead of being their own. Fully Ford person and they had. They answered questions that have never been asked in forty years so that I think that helped guide a lot feature interviews of the questions that I was asking about him. Well. You've had that approach that he was always learning. Not Teaching I think that's important. Afraid because I'm sure they've been a lot about. What have you learned from Bruce Lee. Would gain from your exposure to, but it's probably was the first time. They've been asked. What did he came from? You! Yeah I think that's what I definitely got out of. Conversations in I think. It was I want. These, people who'd new Bruce Lee are all. Part of this American story part of Bruce's Americans story, right? They're not just there as a way to push their. By a certain agendas who Bruce Lee was or what we think he is, but again kind of forming. His insecurities in his vulnerabilities. Fears like that was the question. I always ask people like did Bruce ever talk to you about what he's scared of like? Going what Bruce Lee scared of I, don't think anyone really has asked right Suction that he's this invincible figure as we were talking about earlier like this model of masculinity and confidence split. You know he was. Scared. Teenager young man going about to go to America, he was. Near the end of his life that he didn't know that was near the end of his life. He told his brother that he was scared of growing old. In those all kind of helped create this picture of who Bruce Lee was a person that he wasn't in intensive. And when we're able to to make our heroes in seemingly are. God like figures from culture into humans than I think we're able to. Be Closer to them, and we can aspire to be like a more because we can see our own faults and vulnerabilities in them. Can I just say that? One of the one of the few people that you have in the film that never knew Bruce is who's providing commentary. Is Jeff Chang? Not Jeff Yang. But Jeff Chang and I gotta say like He. He's commentary really elevates the peace a lot I mean aside from sort of the intimate details that other people provide his contact the context that he brings. Is. Super Important, and I really commend you for including them in there. Because it's, it's It's very insightful. Thank you. I mean he was. He was one of the few exceptions that I made. We may two exceptions is Samho, was the film critic and then the other is jeff and I know Jeff. During Research for a biography about Bruce Lee and I've known jess just through his books about racial history, hip hop and I thought. It was important that if we're going to tell the Asian American story of Bruce Lee, than At least the people who speak from A place of expertise about Asian American, history about racial history should be Asian. American just so we get that that voice That, we don't usually here especially in a research documentary and I'm fortunate now for Jeff. was. He helped me in terms of guiding. how Bruce Lee's life connected to you the greater story of the Asian American. And it was always important for me not to be didactic about like okay. This is the part where we're GONNA listen to Asian American history, and if feels kind of out of place the film. No, it was at it always at the Inter we like. How did this moment in American history? Connective Bruce's life. And how was he shaped molded by that right? It doesn't hurt that. You Know Jeff's perspective on aged American history is filtered through a much broader multicultural Lens. He's a preeminent scholar of hip hop. and. Somebody who has? Written about and thoughtfully. Educated about. This larger conversation around race for decades and That census that ability to like water you know, bring these things together, something which. You couldn't have picked somebody better tax. Speak to that a and you worked with Jesse. Four right I mean. You. I believe. He collaborated on the documentary series around some of the works that he'd been. Last year I, Directed and produced. A. Series for PBS that was for PBS TV that was based on his of. Collection of essays called we gonNA. Be Alright and But in funny enough, it was a Bruce Lee was what brought us together the first place? That I was developing his documentary and I knew that he was doing research for a biography, but he's still writing. The book in my film is just coming out. And then we had made another that other series before the Bruce Lee. A. Piece of literature in film came out. which is just kind of like how how much? Felt that we? We had to be really delicate and responsible with the material that we were working with interns as of making anything about roughly. I got one more question about sort of the formal qualities of the film before we move onto the. To our second half. You this really interesting thing where you have all these voices talking very intimately about Bruce but there you don't put them on his talking heads throughout the whole thing, it's just you have the little. Kyron this voice of Voice of Diana. Sato but. You kinda save it for the end where you do get to see like Nancy Kwan and stuff like that but I wonder what what what? What is the decision that you were like I'm not I'm not gonNA. Make this talking head type documentary for me. It was like a decision that I made pretty early on in the process before we started filming. That I didn't want. To feel like we were talking about something in the past and I always wanted the audience viewer to feel immersed in the present time with Bruce be nineteen sixties, America, or early nineteen seventies, Hong, Kong and for me every time or not, I shouldn't say every time, but a lot of times when I watched documentaries in were talking about a story that happened way back in the. The past, and then we cut to this really high resolution modern day footage a takes me out of the story, just a little bit, and you know there's certainly times where it's effective, but I felt with this movie and this story that we're talking about US in their twenties, who lives to his early thirties were talking to people who are in their late seventies into their eighties and. When you see someone who's in their eighties, talking about someone in their twenties, it's. disconnect right and I wanted to really build at world of of of that time period and I think it's for me is if there was this feeling of poignancy when you finally see people at the end and when I. Was Thinking about this portrait where we see Bruce with these people. It shows that they actually knew him. And then we cut back to show them in their present day of. Age I thought like. We kind of think of what would Bruce Lee, look like as a contemporary right. What would look like in his eighties seventies? That is that was something that was very cognizant about throughout the wholesale. On that note, I think this is time for us to take our break. But when we return, we will do our signature segment the good, the bad and the WF so stick around. Let's take a break. but we're still here. And we're going strong. It's an exciting time of Asian Americans. There are more movies. TV shows books and music, reflecting us than ever, but all of these represent just a small slice of Asian American culture experiences. So what do we do? Tell more slices. Asian Americana show. That explores these slices of distinctly Asian American culture and history. We've talked about how Chinese Americans Built California? Sacramento Delta the art scene Turns Gallery institution giant robot. A play that explores the loss Cambodian. Pop Music of the Sixties and seventies, and of course Boba just to name a few stories. You can find Asian Americana Asian. Americana Dot, com or on your podcast APP. Didn't todd. And we're back all right now. It's time for us to do our second half. They Call US bruce the signature segment, the good, the bad and the WPF Jeff, Yang, would you please lay down the rules of engagement? That is my role I shall. So. This is our ask. Phil said segment. It is round table segment in which we essentially take a certain topic what the topic is and slice it three ways. The first is the positive aspect of that topic I think it makes us feel good, warm, fuzzy inside the positive, the positive positive, always accident deposits and then. We flip it go to the negative. What is the bad about that topic? It could be a bad experience related to it bad memories or even just. A bump in the road in a germ. And then finally we looked at the devotee F-. And for us? That's neither necessarily good nor bad. It's more the thing that leaves us puzzled the questions still have we consider the topic at hand and for this episode. We thought it was pretty appropriate to ask you how. The good and the bad and the W. Of Mickey. Water right making a documentary on the life of a guy who has been in his thirty two plus years. That's. A, million different ways, good and bad and sometimes PF. So we're GONNA. Throw to you, and of course will comment on what you share, but if you're good it, let's dive in to the good the bad off mickens documentary. Okay. I get a little personal here because we. Matured into like an OPRAH EPISODE OF I. When I was coming when I was starting production of the film I, just come from a kind of a heartbreak in my life and I was looking for direction and I. One of the first interviews we did was the Amy Sambo. Interview and she talked about their relationship Bruce's relationship with her, and how she broke his heart, and making connected for slee in like he found his way after that and. Maybe. This is also deputies than I find my way after heartbreak and really find the direction that I need to go to to make the be the best individual I can be in Yeah, and so that was I I, it's not so much I want to be like always bringing it back to my narrative or by personal story, but it just helps me kind of create something that feels honest. And Authentic as much as I can, and and put that in a nuance way into filmmaking, and I think that helps me in terms of how I looked. Bruce's following his relationship with Amy San bill his drive in his struggles after that and just trying to create empathy in to empathize with someone like Bruce Lee were again. You think of him as? The coolest superhero in the world. I think that creates that. I was always looking for in the film. Hope. That's in the right direction that you're. Absolutely! I have to say though right that you're saying. That makes me wonder what it felt like years afterwards look back and say I was. I was the woman who. Basically kicks. Bruce Lee. It's like. He he proposed to her right I, mean he? Wow. Did you ask her what her. I mean after the fact. Whether. She I mean I. I don't know how cool it is. Even say that, but did you ever regret the decisions she made and I were. What where? She now guess what she's doing. I mean it seems like she didn't regret it. was. I'll get to the bad part later, but. She was she had a really beautiful family. A very quiet life. In Arizona and she never really thought about Bruce that way in terms of she I think she was proud. That bruce became the man that he wanted to be that. Bruce became Bruce Lee in. That's what he aspired to be. He always had this great ambition firm South and. I think maybe that great ambition was also one of the reason. She broke up with him. So I don't think she regrets it that much, but she I think she appreciates like what he did for Asian American representation because she'll is very much A. Activist in. Really spoke about the issues of the Asian American on campus when when they were day, and so she I think she takes them credit as she should for for his his his kind of. Rolling, being Asian American icon. That's awesome. Speaking of. People who've crossed? Young Bruce Lee's life. His Path I. I, I met Somebody who story about his dad, his dad apparently was like Bruce Lee's roommate for like two months or something like that. Up in the bay area. During the time when? He was opening schools. He was opening a school in Oakland I. Guess so he was. You know spending some time and so he was his roommate and. He says that so this is my friend's Dad. He says that. He was like who is this guy? This guy is so weird. 'cause he was always training and doing stuff in the apartment like like like doing these like high kick jump things and he's like who the fuck is this guy a? Like. If you read anyway Bruce Lee I mean. Like know him as amazing larger than life figure who became like one of the most famous people of all time but like. If you're that guy? But you're just like living in an apartment in San Jose like you're a Weirdo. You know what I mean like. If you're acting like that, so it's just funny to see like he was. He was too big for that for like. You know that Senate right. He had to grow that for people to really appreciate his. His eccentricity. You know so. You're basically say he's like Jimmy. Oh character Silicon Valley. That would be the mater urging. Needs. Jianyang. We we actually we should approach Jimmy and say we would love you to do. A Web series called. Bruce Lee my remain. But that. That's amazing. That's amazing, amazing artifact. Of kind of proximate history. That you're much commute for for. All right, so the good, the good is that. Bruce Lee helped us get over heartbreak. You. Write about Adamson. He helped a lot of people. Get over heartbreak or That's not untrue frankly. All right the bad now let's let's hit the bad of making this documentary in. The must have been something along the way. That was a the very least a stumbling block. But you had looted something already in the last go round. What was? No I mean. I totally forgot. To now so. She just. I was like Oh. You know what must've been liked to be. The woman who basically kicked to the curb like I'll get to the bad later. Okay, I'll try to bring it back to that, but in terms of making the film the Bad I think you know again. There's so many people who. Take ownership of previously right and. May Have their own entry points how they first were introduced bruce, so there's a lot of assumptions a lot of. Of of ideas of who was in what received people and my film. I didn't take that responsibility to try to navigate in like the true to every possible scenario with Bruce Lee met to to two people end so Flint With all these fans in and working with in making a film about someone who's so iconic. There was a burden I sell again a responsibility to to tell his story accurately but. You know in film school I by the East coasters so school in the East Coast. They teach you. You should each it. They give yourself as the only audience that matters which sounds very east coast for Texas straight, and then I know in the West. Coast schools are like always think of the broader audience. For me what I take away from that lesson in film school. Is that the way to make a story feel on is that you have to tell it from place within your own heart in your experience, and so that was always kind of my guiding principle making the film, but there were always every time I told someone reading the Sylmar doing research. People are like Oh why why do you get to make this film? Or how are you the biggest bruce lease ad in the world or Do you watch every still like ten times over and. Again as maker I I don't like to come in with too many sometimes I. Don't want to be the expert going in two before i. make the film because I wanted to discover a lot with the audience of. Things about the subject that I'm learning what I'm talking to people when I'm talking to people who knew him intimately who knew again newest fears, insecurities and Yeah there again. That pressure was something that was. Not The best pressure, but you know they say that pressure makes diamonds and I always tried to use that as as a way to think about the the responsibility that I had in telling Bruce's story in a way that sound odd to me and honest to him as a person and not so much trying to like satisfy. Everyone who seen every film in seeing every piece of footage because. This is not a definitive story about is. You can't make a definitive story about anyone in film I think. It's a an someone as cottage. In multifaceted focused on one specific aspects that felt that was under told in his narrative. And also that felt oddest to my experience as an Asian American. Can I ask have asked Linda and. seen the film and. Get the reaction. A Shannon. Yes, saw a cut of the film and I have to say like. Even though their voices are very prominent in the film, this film was not other than than providing archival footage and photographs which you know without that we have made the still. They were controlling over the story that I wanted to tell or or you know had say in the final cut or anything, but I felt just. As a person who's making a story about someone's father air so? Someone's husband that I wanted to show my respect by showing a cut of the Phil, and yeah I showed Shannon a cut of the film and she thought. It was something special in. Linda hasn't seen the Soviet, so she'll be seeing for the first time. The Sunday. And so yeah. It think it was important to be able to to be respectful to the family, but. I think they reciprocated that respect by allowing me to tell the story I wanted to tell. About Bruce. I think that kind of answers a little bit of what? I was wondering around how you've got access to. Some of the stuff that's in the documentary. I imagine a lot of it is from. The archives I. I will say one of the things said that blew my mind. A little bit was when you had the. Exactly it wasn't a call sheet, but outlet that sheet that showed the salaries. Of the different people working on on being it, and the showing that Bruce was like not even getting paid is getting paid a fraction of what. Even though he was second bill, right second the call she. Like the fourth and fifth people or something were making like multiples what he was making. US getting paid like as much as stuntman right and he was. The Co Star of of the series in that just. Shows you just in that one document like how? The inequity of Hollywood is is is is present. In all aspects of the industry. Was that something you actually got from the family. Was that something you you research elsewhere? That was from the family. Yeah, wow, so. I mean to the point you made about this. Not being not intentionally being definitive Bruce Lee documentary I will say it is definitive until next definitive documentary comes out. You know what I mean it's. Part of what makes. The story so interesting. Story of all people who play this kind of particular iconic role people who like water right continually reflect new things seemingly adapt move into shapes and who essentially. To that point reflection. Are. They look different based on where we are not based on who they were right. Wanting when we didn't get a chance to talk about in the first segment, which I want to ask, foregoing the final round of this. Is The contemporary relevance of Bruce League. I think in this very moment. Right a moment which I mean. You're trapped in La because. Of of the the coronavirus, right? And at the same time, all of us are are under lockdown within lockdown because there's unrest everywhere. Understandable uprising because of. The sweeping injustices that have occurred to African Americans in this country and. You know just throwing it out. There I mean it feels very relevant that this film is coming out even though this film about. A Chinese American man from decades ago. The way that I think this story is told just sir feels like there's a message that we need to hear day within the context of these things so that we're facing these these multiple crises were facing I think. When we finish, the film premiered at Sundance in January so everything that would covid the pandemic. That was something that obviously never expected to happen and and I always wanted to just. Show Bruce Lee for someone who went through a lot of. Racial strife who had to. Face up to. A lot of challenges because of what he looked like in where he came from and. With covid and End End the idea of what it means to be American. And especially for Americans are we. Is this not our Ho- to go back home because? The fear and paranoia that's created by centuries is a phobia. Racism and I think now more than ever. The idea of representation onscreen is important because we are stuck in our homes for the most part, and and we are not allowed to interact with with people around us were not allowed to have to face interaction, so the society that we're seeing is a society that were absorbing through the television through. You know. Through streaming and through our screens. And it's it's so important that the society that we're seeing onscreen is representative of of a multi. Cultural America of multifaceted narratives and I think. We. We kind of neglect, the fact that television films music and culture have so much impact on our society, but when we're stuck at Hogan, where kind of yearning for human connection, those are the things that we turn to and so I, think in addition for. US as Asian Americans ourselves on screen in many different narratives. It's it's important that other people from other communities see us for all the different versions where we are not just the psychic, not just the. Heavily accented servent it's the these different narratives. Be It good or bad? That make us part of America part of the mosaic of America. It's so important again that that we're seeing in not just a single story, so that that that idea of representation is I get the more relevant today and going to what's going on with the injustices with the African American community and With what happened in Minnesota You know again it's we'll look at people, and we see people before we are able to meet that we see them as African American and some people see African Americans as a dangerous society without knowing anything about that person and I think that's the total. Of help. Bruce Saul people right when he met Jesse when he met Leroy when he met. Kareem and all these people that look different from him. He wasn't trying to find the differences. He was finding ways to bridge. The differences to make a connection and I think we need more of that that solidarity in the conversations that Bruce had with Kareem, and how Korean taught him about the civil rights movement and introduced him to a lot of black literature like those are kind of the intersection allergies that we need today. that again like the. Progress of Asian, Americans wouldn't have come about without. The struggles that the African American community had to go through it to help us. Earn our civil rights and we. It's I. Don't want to place it back on the Asian. American story with we, we do find ways to connect in each other and find common ground and I hope people get that from this film that. Bruce was trying to find common ground. Always in terms of people from different aspects of his life will said we'll said. Well, here we are. The final round of. Our signature segment the phone. So if there's something. something. That boggles the mind something that was unusual. An anecdote can share perhaps about the production, or about putting it together or just you know more philosophically something that continues to. Have Open questions for you. This is your chance to share about, but can i. just add something onto the last part just. Your I mean you just mentioned too about lake, the stories of how? You. Know there there. There's GonNa be another up really early. There should be I think everyone deserves to tell their story about anything and. When we were editing the film in London. there was this young woman who was working as a receptionist at our post production studio, and she was in her early twenties. Achieve when the final days workout facility she's like. Like you've been here a lot, what's the film that you're working on Oh own doing assume about Bruce Lee. The guide, martial arts sky, and it's like yeah, and she's like Ozzy Kinda. Come in and watch the film. Again there. Everyone has entry point into Bruce Lee and you know there's people from older generation who saw his films in the theater. And then there's people like. my generation, your generation Phil who knew about him? After he passed away and there is this other generation of today that just neil him. Purely as martial arts buys the name Bruce Lee with any other kind of context and so. That was part of the reasoning behind making this film. Thinking not to say this is like my generation previously documentary, but this is my Bruce Lee's. Story Tech to my generation, right. Say I just wanted to throw in there as while we're talking about how the briefly has kind of evolved and His narrative has changed over time. That's. Right Sorry. Is that your W.. F., or is that just a Denham to that was it was funny because I was thinking of that as when we were first starting the segment, I was thinking that was going to be my. Moment, and then you brought up a generational thing and I was like Oh that's good for this partout, but it is. It is my w T F. I mean. So we should talk about the film I it. It's appropriate that this is going to be on ESPN, that's that's a big stage and. This generation is going to get this documentary in a really cool way. I mean much like we've talked about this in a previous episode, but I feel like this generation for for whom Bruce Lee. Is The story of Grizzly has defined by Dragon. The Bruce Lee Story. You know like you grew up in the nineties like. That became kind of like the document by which you kind of were introduced to the as as as bullshit. The, the factual parts that fillmore! The spirit of Risley. A Lotta people learn about him through that you know. I think that this commentary. ESPN, being the platform that is and thirty for thirty, being such a great brand. This is going to be a really great way for people to just learn that this story, and of course your film is so well made. I think people are really blessed to see this this week. You know, thank you ever really appreciative of that. Because Dragon was kind of my one of the points Bruce. Lee Story and always devastated to find out that a lot of it wasn't true. Well, I say I actually thought the. That sort of Iconic scene where Bruce and Linda Watch. Breakfast at Tiffany's was entirely apocryphal right but. I mean Lynda actually says in his documentary is no actually. It was it was a thing? Maybe maybe not. The way was played out there, but it was very clearly something that they had encountered in, and that was mind blowing to me right there. I was surprised that too yeah. Okay well. The film is, be water. It airs on ESPN, on. June seventh I correct seven, Sunday, June, seventh Sunday June seventh. Check it out. Bow. find you online. I am on Instagram of bowel. D. A. O. M.. N. G. Hawaii N.. And that's basically my biggest presence I'm bad at twitter written. My facebook is just full of personal means and. Stupid stuff that people should look at. Companies. Integrate. Is there any. Is there any other way for people to learn about the film, or should they just want? GO TO ESPN or If they searched. Be Water. ESPN and there's a lot of different articles that are coming out about the film. ESPN posted a great one where they're interviewing. Me I mean, aren't they? Listening to this podcast is that housing learning? Supplemental. Fitted being water making. This conversation. This is the definitive podcast episode of out the most definitive Bruce Lee documentary. I did not say that. All right well Jeff Yang. How can people find you online? I am original spin. On twitter mostly not really anywhere else a little bit facebook, but you know just finance twitter. And still you have to be will find you. You can find me at anger man on most of the socials, and then you find me at angry. Asian Man Dot Com, you can find this podcast at they. Call US Bruce on twitter and kind of instagram and facebook. You can find us on. Apple podcasts, and if you could give us, you can subscribe, and you give a rating review. We'd really appreciate it. Please check out. BE WATER ON ESPN on June seventh. Now. Knowing, thank you so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it and thank you for making this movie well, thank you so much. It was a real pleasure to be on the show all right that does it for this episode of they call spruce until next time peace. And be water. Water My. You've been listening to they call US Bruce with Jeff Yang and Phil You our theme. Music is by Kiro One. Our producer is song. They call us Bruce's a member of the POTLUCK podcast collective, featuring unique voices and stories from the Asian American community. Find out more at podcast. POTLUCK DOT COM. 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Episode 76: They Call Us Abominable

They Call Us Bruce

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Episode 76: They Call Us Abominable

"Move Hello and welcome to another edition of they call us. Bruce unfiltered conversation about what's happening happening in Asia America. I'm Phil. You and I'm Jeff Yang and we are here at the Office of netflix animation about to talk to a very special guest against was an old friend of mine and fills in front of the podcast. She is the Chief Officer of Pearl Studio a Global Animation Company headquartered in Shanghai and in Hollywood and also in New York and she is a an old uh not old a longtime friend of Mine Palin Shop Pay Lynn. Thank you so much for joining us on the PODCAST. My pleasure happy to be here. Well first of all I mean. You're you're slow. You swim here from New York right. I just ran from Shanghai China for money for the Shanghai premiere of the Self. Wow so the premiere of in in China Ray place the premier meeting life like the before the release you know celebration. I've actually been on the premier tour because we had a world premiere at the Toronto International Festival then we have the La Premiere last weekend and the asks we get we add the China premier recarpet carpets out the giants as the avarice and we should actually sort of name what the movie is. The movie is abominable. It is the first original foyer original or fully how how we define it exactly natively we developed. I guess it's the first original film produced by Pro Studio because our pirate carnation is rancher famer. We we were CO producers on three but obviously that film already had a existence of the first two installments originated factory Merck's and we just joined in for the third one so this is the first fully original them liberal studio is involved with and it also has the distinction of being the first time ever a modern day. Chinese family is featured in global admitted film and Ah this is kind of the remake of Pearl Studios right all the way back when US oriental leave the answer. I literally started. I said only w spitting I guess led plan was able to change their. I literally I pump twenty fifth the ODI W was was created with the idea that dreamworks and its the Chinese partner would be building works that were Chinese at heart and soul but global in focus right and complicated three was kind of like I just testing ground in some ways of whether that could be done at all but was okay so let's let's actually back up a little bit and talk about the journey to even get there right. Okay you start out in Hollywood of course Christians and rose through the ranks of being a development -secutive in nation right at Disney. Disney had some dealings what I would say. Perhaps the achievement while you're there that you know. Many of our listeners may be aware of is that you were. The chief developed exact behind. I was one of the developed executives that work-time couple but a champion for it and that was your first tone tone water in some ways of really kind of trying to figure out this whole thing about how to tell a story in this case with kind of Chinese look and feel and hopefully some heart but but very much still a Hollywood phil hopefully some heart but but very much still Hollywood film yes definitely it was one of the things that really drew me to you even going to be a part of Disney feature animation because I knew they were this story had been developed a very long time before I arrived live in kind of a got more into the production phase and I wanted to be part of that project and because I I was so excited that a story like that was being told but also of course wanted to participate and make sure it was being told in an authentic way. Can you talk about like some of the challenges of doing that because Mulan is a at least for you know for certain generation definitive like it's like they're their movie for a lot of Asia. Kids like this is like one of the first times they got themselves. In any kind of fashion you know as you know a wild story stories blonde is I I. I'm just wondering like considering it came out in ninety five ninety eight eight eight like what were the challenges of like like making that happen. I just yeah in that. C- considering Hollywood at that time yeah I mean I think that you know Disney all in on telling a Chinese story about telling Milan Alon. Actually Jeffrey Katzenberg's huge Fam- he he we're saying he has brought so much of China to Hollywood because he actually made the Journal club he made me lawn and he council Tanda. Those are all Kassenberg so you know he was kind of a champion of that when he was at Disney and but the landscape was so different back then you know I mean the number of Chinese Asian people even working in the industry. The number of of Asian people involved with Milan versus like an abominable for example was dramatically different. I remember at the time feeling like you know we we had right. Rita show the writer and she was Chinese. we had a few Chinese artists in leadership design positions but it was pretty not much that was it and there was a lot of desire to be authentic certainly and everyone's heart it was in the right place but I think they also felt like this is the Disney movies so we are Kinda princess and you know just talking and do you know what I mean like those kinds of things I mean don't get me wrong. I love the movie. I'm very proud of the movie but I think that you know where we are today. Versus where we are when Milan was made. I think when Milan was made I was just so grateful. They were making a story at all right so kind of like if we have to compromise some things along along the way just so that it exists like okay. I'm all in one kind of memorable thing thing that happened in the development and production of the film was the issue of the ending of the film would Ed Mulan have this kiss with Shay in front of her. I just as like Chinese unease girl. I was like Oh my God and so just everything wise you know really did not feel right about that and Rita. Shell the writer and I were very very aligned at the two female Chinese voices in the room about how that could not be math really got down to the wire. I think that ultimately they thankfully made when I think was the right. Decision will tell you there. There has been some kind of conversation around that because most princesses quote unquote in Milan is not princess but most most Disney heroine woah heroines at do in fact get that kiss yes and to have the Chinese one the first Chinese one the first one to not get this. You know some people are comparing it to you like Romeo must die where you know Jillian Leeann the cleanest but the reasons are correct and yes once remember is of course one is set in ancient China right. Yes I mean it would be impossible. It was is the right call right there yeah so going from there. I mean actually kind of putting down a marker and saying hey I can do this. I can tell a story that's cross cultural yeah and translate that culture in an authentic fashion yeah into period. Yes even decisions like that. that obviously puts you in a unique position in Hollywood. I mean how many other animated Hollywood features focused on Asian especially East Asia Yeah Chinese context. Are there yeah kind of yeah yeah. Well People Count Concert Panda which I think definitely you know I love the trilogy of films you know they are animals so it's a little different but yeah there haven't there haven't been that many so I will say I think competitive do a good job of embracing. China China's caught in context yes but it is of course not China per se yes. It is some ultra as more of an animal. Yes although if you're a fan of martial arts film in I said that it's like this is a really great job of just being like living up to that sort of legit standard of like like they've done. They're like they've definitely other reasons that that was a martial arts fan definitely definitely yeah but I was so excited with abominable to get the opportunity to represent modern day China because that's really something you haven't not seen before in a global animated film so monitored not through the Lens animals modern-day Tendon of animals but coupling agent China. It's it's definitely for that made in China so but contemporary yes yes their own interpretation but you know it's a memorable starts in in a modern day Chinese city. It's a modern day Chinese family. They're modern day Chinese teens. It's a whole different feeling because it's not like you're trying to make it as accurate as it was. Two something that existed in the past you're trying to accurately represent something that's currently evolving offing and existing and changing and kind of making it real and authentic and relevant so can we talk about like what was what were the beginnings. Giddings of this project. How did this start sure so the project this journey of this film was seven years and it started in two thousand twelve when we were still part of dreamworks. We were really one company. there was a strong desire to do a film with Joel and Dan who's the writer director of the film and we actually pitched her a bunch of projects both on dreamer upside in the rantel dreamer side in one of them was the project about a Yeti and Jill that was the project she responded to the most she had grown up always with giant dogs like bloodhounds or one hundred twenty pounds and she loved the idea her dogs even though they didn't speak they're always so communicative live and she always knew they were hungry or mad at her you know and they were like members of the family and so she loved the idea of able to create like a giant animated character that could be super communicative and have bond with humans but but didn't talk so kind of from concept was a non speaking a character and then she gave this idea of wanting to take the back home to its fabled home in the Himalayas so then it just very organically he came from that that this family and these kids would live in China because geographically it was somewhere that that made sense and she loved the idea idea of going from a city getting more and more closer to nature and the opportunity to feature all these locations in China that the rest of the World Komo likely perhaps had not seen before and she really intentionally shows settings that were not necessarily well known so like the Great Wall of the terrified of warriors for example or not in the film and they're temporarily not in the film and the places that are showcased in the film are lesser lesser known and even I think there are you know lots of Chinese people living in China that have not gone onto a lot of places on the phone so that is actually the core of the narrative about returning Everest the getting back to his in his home and I know we've talked about the whole idea of how Chinese story tells a little bit different story on past you know one of the things that we discussed is that you know. Western story telling TENDS TO BE LINEAR. You're kind of running towards goal and that goal is to go from wherever you are ex- to why were wise higher up where you were at the beginning. Chinese stories are circular like Chinese culture. It's about in some ways finding yourself again or coming back home again. We're rectifying an imbalance again and you know some the conversation we had feel like they sort of are there in the film yeah not least the fact that every character there sure sense return back to something yes right and this. I don't want give too much-awaited story but this actually plays out in really interesting ways for I think Western viewers in the sense that while there are other stories where you're kind of ended up where he began there. There's so much about this story. That's kind of healing and recovering memory Marie and finding your balance again yeah that to me. It felt very intrinsically Chinese in a way that Western animated films not including launch. It was yeah definitely I mean I think that that was definitely intentional and I think that's something that's it's really special about the film. you know a lot of times. I think films like this maybe focus on the sadness or kind of like take that that air that that part of the journey and ye is really focused on kind of the quietness and that she's initially withdrawn and she doesn't know what's wrong with her and she doesn't know how to heal and she doesn't know how to connect with her family and the journey of this film brings her to place where she's able to do that so it's much more. I think of an internal journey than you usually see at the same time I think it it definitely also is you know Western enough. I guess in a way global in in the way that it's told that it doesn't feel off putting to a global audience Western storytelling there's the convention of the character learning something along the way and kind of ending up in a better place and I think that he still does that and so I think something that still feels very tangibly relatable. Although be the main prize that she gets the end is her grandma's dumplings uh-huh okay we'll take a little break and we'll return we will do our signature segment the good the bad the WTO episode stick around break mud. We're still going strong. It's an exciting time of Asian Americans Thermo. There are more movies. TV shows books and music reflecting us than ever but all of these represent just a small slice of Asian American culture experiences. So what do we do. Tell more slices. Asian American is a show that explores these slices of distinctly Asian American culture and history. We've talked about how Chinese Americans built California Sacramento Delta The Art Scene Turns Gallery institution giant robot a play that explores the loss Cambodian pop music of the Sixties and seventies and of course Boba just to name a few stories least you can find Asian American Asian Americana Dot Com or on your podcast APP didn't todd proven and we're back all right so now for the second half of the show we will go into our favorite segment the good the bad and w t f so Jiang would you please lay down the rules of engagement. Will I'm scared so this is around him segment show we go through a single the topic three different ways. Sometimes we participate. I think this time we're going to put you on the spot alone. Palin and at the three ways we actually looked at topic the good the thing that makes us feel good inside like the word good itself right something that's either empowers us makes us happy makes for one fuzzy lousy. The bad is it could be a frustration challenge so enrages saddens us just really super hard that we encountered in the process and then finally the Doug Chef. Is You know the thing that makes us go right. whatever it is that we still have questions about reflecting on doesn't that'd be good or bad could be both even but in this case we actually wanted to tackle the good balance of translating culture right and and it's something which I think all of us can relate to every single time. We you know when we're in school brought a lunch to school that people didn't recognize kind of reacted to that was an act of US trying to translate culture but then again we weren't making seven year long feature film so for the goods th-that ended up casserole much bigger for you but let's good good in. Thelma's I I have to say I really feel like we succeeded. In terms of the authenticity of bringing a modern day Chinese family and setting leading to this film we actually recently had a preview of the film in China and we were really thrilled that many Eddie audience members were like this film was not couldn't have been a co-production. There was definitely made by a local company. It feels so local and it was you know the small details from you know. There's hundreds of signs on the streets in the city. One of them happens to be pushy band which is like a after school study crab school cramps blow aw that only exists in China and one of the audience numbers cited that as his proof he was like I mean who there's no way sheep on outside but also you know I'm just like a superficial things like signs than nuance of how the families represented presented so there's one particular scene where the main character kind of rebuffs for grandmother. She doesn't want to deal and talk with her and there was many many different conversations recissions how to make that scene authentic right and so while an American teenager might have just stopped off and slammed the door in her room and you know now we knew that he would never treat her mother that way or speak to her mother that way and so it was the question of how does she walk away if she walks away. Does she close the door. Does she uncles door. She closes it only halfway how quickly she closed the door. What is she saying. All of those things that scene was boarded looked at taken down reboarded looked at and there really is that kind of nuance in the storytelling and the attention to detail so I think it's something that we're really proud of turned out and obviously thrilled and relieved that Chinese audiences connected with it in that way. Kai Ask about one thing that I'm always curious about. In animation is the casting of voices yes and how important honestly the race of your actors are like because you don't see there you perhaps could be. I mean honestly could anybody when it comes to just sort of the performance of voice yeah yeah especially if you're talking about English dialogue and I've seen cases where frankly Asian characters were played by by white people like a white panda. Maybe the case of Act Act of the two strings were a lot of people were not cool that fulfill it marred my honestly a little bit of my heart enjoyment of that and I'm wondering why am like so I'm wondering your take on that thought process of casting actors. Yeah Yeah Yep so my take on it is super important even though that it's animation and I think for multiple reasons one I feel like so the the cast the actors that we cast in the film Khloe Ben attending trainer outward size the leads each of them actually has the personal connection to the story that they that stems from being part of the culture and I think that they brought a whole different layer nuance to the performance because of that and so I think definitely elevated the film that the actors were actually from the culture that the characters characters in the film were about but I think also apart from actually being great for the film I think it's also important and because for for me throughout my career of how this conversation many many times and oftentimes the reason that's given for maybe why we wouldn't be able to be casting a culturally authentic way is because that the town's not there so the feeling that like you know what of course we love to Castro Chinese after but there's Chinese actors that are funny enough or have enough experience or you know and it's very kind of first of all not through but secondly the chicken and egg. You know especially like in live action films. It's like well. How are you gonNa have a leading man. That's Chinese as if he never gets to cast any in films like it just. Doesn't you know how is that going to ball and so I think that we really and it's not the easy easy thing to do because I think that some of these actors are lesser known. They're not on the traditional list that like everybody always does too when they're looking to cast and so you have to kind of you know. I talk about how it's similar to when you're looking for executives or you're looking for projects like you have to kind of. It's not the low hanging fruit. You have to go to less traditional places but the talent is definitely out there and I that was important to me. You know that we are sending that message as wealth. Can I say that in some ways it sort of circles back to Disney. Yeah you come began again that chloe Bennet aiden agents of shield right outside got his first foot for the door and some ways through fresh off the boat with a guest starring appearance. Goldstein is unconstitutional right now and tenzing trader also Disney. That's true Eh Chair of course I would also add that. One of the interesting things here is. It's not just about finding people who are asian-american anymore like you said they're people who have specific routes in the culture story. chloe. Bennet actually began her career as a positive it kind of China and fifteen years old lived in Shanghai with her grandmother so she knows that she knows that she she actually famously says all the time when she went into audition. She's like if I don't Cook that role. I should just quit as like that. Character is me. I don't have to act yes. She was written there. Yes yes while tenzing trainer is actually a descendant of he's the grandson of tenzing. Norgay trainor is his his name and his grandfather's name and he was the Sherpa that took Edmund Hillary up. It's one of the first two people to summit mount. Everest crazy pursued my gosh. We actually didn't even know that when we cast him. That's not why we ask them. We found that out after the fact that's what minds for his blown and little yeti magic adding so what little nuance by the way one add a new ones for people in China to see the way things are is that the characters as cast so close Bene- place the female protagonist and then Albert side plays her little cousin friend friend right there their friends their neighbors Jin paying our customers so tenzing norgay players Jin who sort of like the male protagonist Bagnis now in Hollywood you that you totally would have year end paying be brother and sister you know like the little brother running along after but you know this was done in China s that is often the case yes sleeve policy has evolved over the seven years making King of years ago but we they're intentionally all single children on purpose so you know things like that and and so that's the good inside yeah but obviously there is a bad in the sense that it's not easy to do this rare. Yeah I mean it is I will say like props and the credit goes out to our partners entry works food really this team was so open to wanting to make this film as authentic as possible and and I think that part of that was that this film was born with the two companies together from inception so it wasn't a film that was like really developed in the US for a US audience and then later was like Oh. How do we make it relatable to China right from moment one intended to be a global thelma and so I think everyone was in that mind frame so there was not a lot of kind of pushback like oh. Do we really have to like you know make all the garbage. Urge cans not metal because you know. Is Anyone GonNa Notice. which is the natural that happened in the film? At the initial past all the garbage cans were metal and in the team channels like we don't have metal version scale so they went through they redid them all you know and it was it was kind of painstaking but but but you know there was always that desire for that level of authenticity so it wasn't from lack of desire but I think that it is just hard because there's so much nuance and every sequence in this film when I watch Shit I can't help but think of the dialogue of the conversations and the debates we had all along the way of like how to make it the most culturally authentic so so it is something that can make a little little crazy but I love to hear the the cultural difference commentary trek the just like picking out those little like mental garbage cans. No Yeah Easter eggs embedded yeah yeah. Easter eggs said the bushy ban and so yeah yeah. Those are things a lot. There's a lot in there yeah. I'll ask him of that. Are you know one of the one of the other challenges we have is. We made a whole other audio track of this film in Mandarin and so for China audience since there is a whole separate cast and they're awesome also there stars actually cast for Ye and GIN is a Chen Fei who happens to be his son who's a big star in China and as vice also night is also played by a star in China and there was a lot of challenges in terms of how to as you adapt that we had a whole Chinese consulting director Chinese writing team to do that but it was interesting. I think the first pass of it we did a more literal translation and kind kind of just to see where we were at and what we learned was that none of the jokes played in Chinese literally. None of them were like wow this movie's no more and so it was Kinda came to be about like how do we do that and translate the joke so that there are jokes obviously the jokes in both versions of the film and so you know a couple of examples. There's a scene early on where burnished villain is. There's a presented with some whooping snakes the rare exotic pets that he collects and he's talking because he's he's talking about. Oh maybe I'll turn them into a belt or and that joke always played the US but in China I think people were like completely feeling like that wasn't resonating and so of course because China's culture is all about food. We changed the joke to Maybe I could make a stir fry snake or Mama snake or you know the different dishes that he would turn the snakes into and then real things which are talk about that but but you know after that it killed so you know those kinds of nuances that we kind of really went to extra links all throughout out and the exciting thing about the Chinese version is that thanks to our amazing distributors universal partnering wondering with a company called theater ears is the Mandarin version is going to be accessible in the US at any theater you go to you can download the theaters at theatre ears APP and watch the film and matter of Abloy Yeah so we're really excited like just you know kind of because the film is all about family family and home and that different generations of Chinese families here in the US like a grandmother a daughter and a grandchild go each watch it in the language of their choice sitting side by side Item Theater Double Feature Farewell Address exactly that point now. We're into the last round. I write the W. T. F. around. Are there things that you're still left with and you know either things that you are remained puzzled by even at the end of this particular journey where things are like well next around. We didn't catch this first time or didn't think about this this first time but we're definitely think about it the next one something like that. What is your. WF Jeff residual moment if you will residual now you've made it even worse. You know I'm I'm really really happy with how film turned out but of course it remains to be seen we're sitting here on the eve of the release in both countries did it work show up and watch this movie and are they going to relate to it in the way that we hope that they will and you know all the things that we put into it. You know that we think are in the film early actually in the film and I think like that's you know only only time and box office will tell as is the case. I will say as the person who has seen of yourself. I enjoyed it very much. I feel especially for younger children. Those who aren't serve watching and completely mindful the cultural details as it was because I was watching it through the lens of somebody who was fascinated by the process ways. Yes this can watching how good time yes yes. I do think that Everest is a a really kind of unique animated conception. I said this to as we were walking in he's. It's really hard to do. Para human characters animals that have human characteristics or humans just cartridge humans but to actually have up a true sort of blend of the two yeah is very challenging and a lot of has to do with nuanced expression the fact that he can't talk verbally. Yeah Ah makes a big difference but he comes off sort of like this huge again puppy but a puppy with very very human characteristics and I think that it's going to melt some hearts and hopefully win a little bit bucks off. It's Okay Yeah I. I think that you know one of the things of course we've talked a lot about the cultural nuance and authenticity today but one of the things. I think that we're really proud of about the film is that it is also just an enjoyable emotional film about a character that is complex and goes on this amazing adventure journey and she just has to be Chinese. You know it's not a fell about her being in Chinese and so I think that hopefully it will be very globally relatable and kids all around the rubble. Just go and have a great time so thank you so much for being on my culture. Where can people find you online so I'm on facebook twitter instagram at Palin. Chow all in all places. It's a it's a unique name so hopefully easy to find that C. H. O. U. Jeff Yang Yourself. I'm original spin on twitter and other places mostly twitter though and Phil how about yourself you'd find me at angry Asian man and on angry men dot com you can also find the show at they call us. 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Episode 92: They Call Us Pandemic Parents

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Episode 92: They Call Us Pandemic Parents

"Hello and welcome to another edition of they. Call US Bruce unfiltered conversation about what's happening a nation America. I'm Phil You and I'm Jeff Yang and here we are on What is This Day? Ten of lock down here in southern US. Check forever But we are still bringing you the content you seek corona centered content Of US on lockdown We are delighted to be broadcasting here tonight with two a two amazing people friends of ours. Friends the PODCASTS. Or friends in law is okay We'd like to welcome to the show Steven Bianco who is the CO founder of debt ventures Which is fantastic parenting resource and who has actually done some analysis of what? It's like to be a dad Through this era of outbreak and locked down and with Stephen. We also have Theresa Kim Yang. Who IS SPOUSE PARTNER Better half to our old friend. Our good friend jean-louis Yang and also honestly probably one of the most organized on top of it and just generally exemplary role models for parents this crisis that we have had the chance to be shared. The show is to be here I wanted to add. I was kind of inspired to well. First of all four of us here are parents so We're we're kind of dealing with this in our own way that you know and and you know we see in social to how all different people are kind of dealing with this with this lockdown in their own way and but parents I think have sort of are dealing with this very have to go through an added layer of anxiety and stress and coping. You know so I thought he could I to get together like this and You know I've been seeing a lot of resources online of of you know a lot of it. There is no one thing I've learned. There is no one-size-fits-all kind of Wait apparent through a a pandemic but I was inspired to put this together because Stephen I saw dead ventures. You'd written early on actually about a week back your this article really a great article that was called the seven unexpected stages of being stuck home with kids because of the corona virus and it really got a lot of gave me a lot of perspective and was very valuable. Theresa Gene. Who's been on? That was on the podcast. A couple episodes back he shared on twitter. This chart that you had made This this Of the schedule for for your family for your four kids the daily schedule and then also there was this I guess there's a record of a discussion that you had had with their kids About home schooling. Which I thought was like so awesome and I was like I was told this by to invite you to be on the podcast. Maybe we can. I talk a Stephen. You could talk a little bit Data ventures first of all Which I know we started with one. You know a a certain kind of goal in mind but has changed quite a bit in the last two weeks because of this whole because of this whole ordeal for sure so yeah dad. Ventures started out really focused on helping parents find fun things to do and at first that was really like events and places to go out of the House and it's always sort of been in remind. Hey let's let's add on activities to do at home but we thought Oh. Yeah that'll be like way down the road A but as as things started to like really increase we realized Oh wow Like if events shutdown what are we GONNA do? And how are we going to address that? And it's like. Oh you know that idea about activities at home. Let's bring bring that in sooner and so and so a few weeks ago started to really dive in more into like activities for for families to do at home and where I started off was reaching out to a friend of mine who's in Hong Kong and I had seen on like instagram back in early February that she had posted that she was like home. Schooling her kids and so i. I left a comment on her post. Like oh your home schooling. And she's like yeah Because of Colonel Virus schools are closed like until April like for three months and I was like Whoa. I had no idea that like things. Were sort of getting to that point that that could even happen. And so when things started to really escalate here I thought about her and and thought and reached out to her and realize well the stuff that was happening in Hong Kong and then also she had cousins in Italy and she was telling me about their situation was like Whoa. That can happen here. And it's really were just like a few weeks behind what they're experiencing over there and Yeah I read the article in. I was like that. It was very sobering actually because You know I was like Oh. Wow we are really. This is our yeah. This is our future you know not just not just two to three weeks. It's two to three months the first line the article and we're like that was the first punched in the gut that like. Oh this is This is happening you know. Can we get a little backdrop on what your parenting situation is Casino article itself kind of walk through these seven stages of dealing with you know being second with kids. How old are your kids? And what is the situation with you and your spouse? I mean you imply that you both work at home or working from home right lane. And we all are but Give us give us a little bit of the backdrop here. Yeah so we've got My wife and I we have three kids. So the oldest two are girls. One is nine. She's in third grade. The second one is seven. She's in second grade and we have a a three year old boy and so My wife is Is working from home. She's therapist And then I'm also working from home and so we're we're yeah we're we're dealing and as everybody is on a day to day basis and like who's doing what when you know in like our kids doing and what do they need and really like the oldest older two kids are certainly more sort of self sufficient But you know the three year old just needs way more attention and we're trying to balance You know like not just having them have a ton of screen time and just defaulting to that and so putting some structure into the day and and being present with them and so it's Yeah I mean it's certainly like an ongoing struggle but But that's yeah a little bit of our setup. Can I say that the pictures that go along with the articles suggest that your home is a a quite? It'll in which are remarkably behaved at all times. There's not a mess. Insight curled up with their toys being very quiet and well mannered to one another and occasionally doing festival. Things like cuddling you from your shoulders. That doesn't annoy you whatsoever. Is this actually real? Life at the detector householder carried it through. I would say yeah I would say that it's like a mix it's a mix of Certainly hey here's some like you know good good home home quiet moments but I would say that like by and large my wife and I are pretty laid back people and our kids are fairly calm and not like to crazy so yeah I would say things are are good. I'm glad that we don't have like too much craziness to deal with because there's plenty of that already going on your house. I mean my kids are much older right. I've got of course who is Sixteen and Schuyler who is twelve and we're just old enough so that they have a certain amount of of and both boys right around constant background rivalry slash tension You know they make noise. Because that's what boys do these boys Too Old to give Benadryl to drinking wine all day. We're all right so I'm the bad one but you know looking at these seven stages it's kind of structured around lake. You know the the the ways in which you have progressed from. Oh my gosh. It has an unseen unforeseen applications for everybody. Let's just do anything? We want to to try to find ways to kind of build instructor and and the balance things of otherwise might seem hard to balance and then finally to maybe figure out ways to relax even in the face of things not being relaxing To the point where you can get to a normal point right. That's family justin periods right and and again. This was. Yeah I mean this was. This was sort of my interpretation of talking to a couple of parents and from researching rum just the experience of again of other parents primarily in Hong Kong in Italy. And and so it just it it. Yeah it really just jumped out at me when when when my friend Nanny in Hong Kong was like we started off and it was all vacation mode and then and then we tried to switch to get the kids to really focus more on studies and academics and that was so hard because they were so used to vacation mode and and then it's like oh like describing her kids like when they would get some outside time as like these like caged animals that were let loose and they were just like so excited to be running around and you can you can imagine in Hong Kong Right. Like how little like greenspace. There isn't just like parks and things like that so it just became like really clear to me that like overtime that there were these distinct stages and then. I talked to this This this dad in Milan and heard some of his experience. And and Italy's really maybe just like two two weeks ahead of us in terms of how this is playing out like Hong Kong has really got really took really proactive steps early on that has really slowed down the outbreak over there and so Italy's probably more comparable to what we should expect here. And but his what he was describing in terms of screen time and vacation mode and some of this was very similar to to to to my friend in Hong Kong. And so it just was like. Wow this is a this is pretty eye opening how you can almost predict what's going to happen here based on how this is played out elsewhere Teresa speaking of laying down structure early on first of all. Maybe you can talk about your family situation. What's going on at home and you know like the breakdown the stats of your family. I guess so I I also have a sixteen year old boy and then twelve year. Old Girl a ten year old girl and a seven year old girl. So we're kind of all over in terms of Asia Gaps but It's been nice that the two older ones are pretty independent The one our number three is pretty independent. She has occasional question but the youngest one. I pretty much have to sit with her. When is doing her work but we are school closed on a Thursday and we knew that we were going to start school on Monday With distance. Learning and so Having home-schooled our kids for one year before a while ago I knew that this would bring up some issues for our kids and so The first weekend we were home I sat them all down and I asked them. You know what? Let's stresses you out. Or what could possibly stress you out about home schooling and being at home all together and that discussion led to that first list of The stressors that we would expect are we didn't we wanted to avoid in home schooling and As a classroom detri- used to ask the students What would make you most successful and from there come up with a set of classroom rules together with the kids that they would all sign off on. And we would have I mean the idea's to get buy in from her student so that you're not constantly yelling at them to follow your thinking. I WANNA I. We went from the stressors. To how can we be able to care for each other so that we don't become stressors for each other and so that was basically like our norms or expectations at home that Voice that we can care for each family member So that we don't stress each other out being in close quarters and and indefinitely at this point and so We saw I sure. Can we share some of these since gene of course share them all on twitter over some of the things? I don't know which of the various kids actually shared. What was all four kids or was it just actually shared there so the first one was what stressed me out when mommy yells. Yes that's all four kids not by the way I I tweeted gene. I'm like worse when daddy yells and he was like he's like they're not scared. Dab yells only Yeltsin in overhead thought bubbles so so I mean but you know loud noises. He crying when OBI helps me when people don't clean up after themselves and people fight. Bossy people when people waste time. When I can't find something I need because stressors right And then the care for things like we can listen. We can talk with spot respectfully in front of people we can look for help and other places try. I can clean up before von fights. Mind Your Business. Try to understand each other and we can read it. Draw and Make things I guess when we are board which is Great So knowing these things How how does that turn into? I guess the schedule the end of actually creating for the kids We the schedule about we have Is very similar to our schedule in the summertime Because again the kids are at home and we want to emphasize that we need to get our work done before we play. And so that that's basically the principle of that struck schedule us to get all your work done in the morning so you can play in the afternoon and if you don't get all your work done in the morning then you're going to you know you're going to shorten your free time. And so the kids have been really motivated to try to get all their work done in before lunch But we have made some adjustments as we've gone on So for example in the morning I really wanted to do a check in with the kids because I think there are things that are going on in their heads they're not always voicing and so I start off by the senator dumb in the beginning but it's actually I'll just share. I think they go around the table and they share affirmations of each other and this is something that I did as volleyball coach after a game. I gathered all the kids. And you know they're having their snacks. But we're still huddled and we're just going over affirmations for each team member because I wanted them to see that. Each team member contributed to our game and the outcome of that game. And so instead of you know putting blame on somebody for not playing. Well wanted them to keep their eyes on the positive and over time they just work towards that positive and really Look forward to that time to gather at the end and really share out there. What they saw each other team members do and so I kind of wanted that idea to play out in our family In in the beginning they're kind of awkward about it but it's funny how you know in the course of our first week at home. They've really cherished what each other have said about them. And it's almost like they want it to happen again. The next and so they sort of work to build that relationship. I'm seeing slowly happen And there's a lot less bickering. I feel like Because they want to be noticed for their good good deeds of the The other thing that we added In our morning prayer is to have the kids share out their prayer which which really ends up being a way for them to voice. Their concerns their worries and One of the things. I did this with my class. Also I didn't want the kids to be carrying around burdens throughout their day and so to share it in the morning I feel like it does. Lighten their low that they're carrying around emotionally and psychologically and so two Sur Cher out thought in the very beginning of the day kind of makes the rest of the day go smoother Does something else that we added a family meeting at the very beginning of our schedule So it's it's some structure but allow for flexibility To be able to gauge. Where the kids are and to be able to adapt to what? You're feeling that they might need as I think. Essential for this to really work for the long haul. That's amazing and I might add the fact that you actually have both experience as a teacher and a coach probably gives you a little bit of a leg up on this front but I wonder actually I mean how much of how much of what you experienced learned as an educator feels like it works as a parent and I'm going to ask actually that of Stephen to relative to your wife who you said was a is a therapist right greg. Do you feel like you feel like there's kind of almost seamless transfer of of knowledge from being a professional that works with you know which people as it were in this capacity versus The kind of rough and tumble of just being a parent. Yeah I I'll show I'll jump in so I the fact that my wife is therapist Has has has. I've learned a lot from that and Continue to so for me I. There's like a lot of Greater attention to the kid's feelings and the stressors and an understanding that and being a better communicator to them in ways that on my own I wouldn't think about. I would be maybe more afraid to talk about my worries and my fears With my kids but but through my wife able to better express myself To my kids I would say that. My Wife practices a lot of what she preaches insurance of of again that communication and that openness with the kids but then at the end of the day if like if it's just really getting on her nerves you know like she's Cuban like therapist the mom it just becomes like man. This kid's so annoying. I can't deal in right now. So that professionals who could only take you so far Truth Avenue. I I do feel like when I went from the classroom into home schooling. I was expecting homeschooling to be exactly like classroom teaching and and so we even even made them wear uniforms and I had a room designated as the classroom and we put up. You know an alphabet chart and you know this is i. I try to make it. So that are home-schooling space was separate from the rest of our house and that are home-schooling time with separate from our family time but what I've learned that first time through home schooling aside it. I mean your family. Life is the highest priority. You have to kind of really assess what's going on with the family before you can even start schooling and so So yeah that was my first hard lesson in home. Schooling is that you know schooling at home is nothing like schooling in the classroom. And even now as I coached teachers. That's the number one thing I'm telling them is that you cannot expect school to be from eight to three every day because these parents were home with the kids. They're trying to get work done to and We're not sitting next door. Kids the whole time and It's not at all like the classroom. And and the whole time were were sitting in. You know watching these things on the news and trying to evaluate. What's going to happen to our families? And you know we're starting to hear how it's affecting our family is in the other countries and and so the kids are dealing with a lot more emotionally that will affect how they're going to be learning and so trying to make that clear to the school is essential also is to keep communicating with our teachers and our administrators as they try to learn the best way to go about with distance. Learning is I think he yes just to kind of build off of that. I think the There is this sort of expectation. Like Oh yeah this is. This'll be just like it. How it is in the summer or this'll be like things are normal. It's like a global pandemic is not normal this is this is incredibly incredibly stressful on. You Know Uncertain Times that we're in with the news just gets like so overwhelming and so scary an so stressful so I think that Yeah it's it's it's really everybody's thinking Oh yeah things are okay and like but but Yeah there's there's a lot that our kids are picking up on Because this is this is just a very serious global crisis I do appreciate homosexuals are trying to bring you know their normal routines into the distance learning but but at the same time as I've been saying is it's important to provide structure but at the same time to be expecting that you need to be super flexible To really be able to adapt to changing needs. You know I mean seriously honestly we could just sit back. Let you guys talk one thing. I think you mentioned that I wanted to bring up is sort of larger Consideration especially as this extends around emotional and Mental Health. And not just you know for kids but for parents right. I mean we're we're buckling down now now for weeks of this but months and what seems like something that we can you know handle pretty effectively maybe in the next week or so gets much harder as time goes on and especially as people around. Us start coming down with illness. And I've actually now formally hit the point where a close to a dozen people that I know directly are are infected are are you know I mean? I don't even know how to frame right day. They're positive for karnal virus. Some have symptoms. Some do not one is actually in very very serious crisis right now And that's a David Latte actually outer of above law He's actually intimated in and in critical condition and were all thinking and praying for him but as people we know and love faces this illness. It's GonNa be really hard to explain this to the kids And I'm kind of curious how you guys have thought through that conversation and the best ways to to bring it forward. I mean are we. We pray together every morning and every night and it's been a worry concerned that's brought up every morning and every evening but We try to shield as much as we can then news And so far we haven't had direct family and friends the infected There yeah so we haven't had that yet and we haven't really discussed we're going to do once they become sick But we to try to look at the positive and so we end the day thinking about what we're thankful for so that we can keep our eyes on. You know the good that's happening around us So yeah we haven't really talked about what will happen when friends and family get. Yeah for for us again I guess my wife has been thinking about it a lot lately just again seeing how how things are playing out in Italy and and this one this one dad who I spoke to I guess he was in. He was in Milan and so northern Italy. That was the part. That really is where it was hit hardest. I and And when I spoke to him their schools have been closed for about three weeks and he said that There was a sense of it being like a war zone where he was that there. Were these curfews this restricted movement. But but most of all there was this sense of death being very present. And you know as as the fatalities increase It's just becomes. Yeah like very very very anxiety producing and and you can't. You can't relax With that in that environment and so So my wife and I have been just sort of like very aware that that is around the corner for us and she's been starting to reach out to some of her therapist trends to think about like how we can start to put some put some content together around how to how to help parents deal with addressing grief and loss because Just at the rate at which things are are cases are being reported. And if you take you know. A certain percentage as a fatality rate. Right like the death rate the the debt will pile up. And that's something that we have to be prepared for is is how to how to deal with deal with that with our kids. Thanks for sharing that guys. I think this is a good time for us to take a short break but When we return we'll do our signature segment the good the bad and the WTO F so stick around right back But we're still here. We're going strong. It's an exciting time in Asian American movies. Tv shows books and music reflecting us than ever but all these represent just a small slice of Asian American cultural experiences. So what do we do Tell more slices Asian Americana is a show that explores these slices of distinctly Asian American culture and history. We've talked about how Chinese Americans built California Sacramento Delta. The Art Scene Turns Gallery institution giant robot. A play that explores the lost Cambodian pop music of the Sixties and Seventies. And of course Boba just to name a few stories you can find Asian Americana at Asian Americana Dot com or on your podcast APP. And we're back all right on the second. Half of the call US Bruce. This is where we do our signature segment the good the bad and the WF Jeff Yang which you please lay down the rules of engagement. I will so those guys are frequent listeners. Know that this is our signature segment. It is a segment that we treat us kind of a roundtable discussing a single subject three ways. The first is you know the positive optimistic. The hopeful and good about that particular thing The second is the dark negative the loathsome and repugnant. Talk about whatever that topic is the third is well. You know it's it's a question. It's the puzzle time when we Riddle ourselves as to what we still do not understand what we still don't get about what is going on with that particular topic and given the discussion we've been having. We thought that might be good for us to do the good the bad and the Doug. Cf of being a parenting under lockdown a parenting our way through a pandemic and You know we usually give our guests the first and last ups for this So between the two of you the Theresa or Stephen Which Guys WanNa talk about the good the actual good about parenting in corona time and if you cannot select yourselves we will arbitrarily slick among you. I have loved how Our family has been able to quickly adopt US We've had much more time to be with each other and just spend time together. Luckily so far there hasn't been a whole lot of fighting and titling but Yeah so it's just been really nice to be able to eat three meals together and really nice prevails for actually part of our Ishmael. Is a cooking rotating schedule so the kids actually voted in breakfasts and lunches and I make all the dinners. Oh so that really. Yeah wow so you really taken on their responsibilities even the youngest really so the youngest actually making breakfast and lunch annexation. Well so I don't know if you saw that list for my son. Because she was stressing out she really wanted to make breakfast to it was her turn but she didn't know what to make. And so we all sat down and we start brainstorming. What she could make for breakfast and that's a list that is going to probably be permanent or kitchen wall reads menu. The kids are always hungry when they walk into the got to walk out. That was Cooking schedule they've been so On top of that they'll be watching the clock to make sure they're ready to start cooking when it's almost time for lunch and that's been really nice. What our sample dishes that The youngest is actually picking just like Ron. I mean they're she's toasting bagels. She knows how to scramble eggs She knows how to make smoothies She hasn't done this one just helping cereal. But that that was an option yogurt I think that's about it actually stick oppressive. I write Stephen. Give us your your positive yeah I think the What's been cool for me. Is the creativity that comes out when we're spending all our time together and aren't leaving our house and so in examples like my kids were Took out this. You Know Radio Flyer Wagon and were writing it around in the backyard and they were kind of going down the driveway and they said Tad we wanna like. It's not going fast enough and and I was like. Oh you know what this is like. It's like do you remember the Winter Olympics. Like Oh yeah this is like bobsledding and so I showed them how to like. Get a running start and then jump into the wagon and then go down the driveway. I filled it was awesome at. They're like it. Looks like they're bobsledding our backyard. And it's like wow. This is really cool. We would never would've would've like come up with backyard bobsledding if we weren't spending all their time in the backyard So that's really cool and then also just like selfishly using time we have together to teach them important things like how do the MC hammer dance and Like an telling them like seeing the praises of of new kids on the block. Which was the first concert. I went to you as a kid so stuff like that. So you know homeschooling like wow all right phil you WanNa take the positive side. Yeah well honestly this I mean this is this whole global. Pandemic outbreak of a deadly virus is the timing coincides with around the time where I am now kind of I. My kid is three and a half now going through the these feelings of like. Oh my gosh. She used to be so small and now she's in. I mean she's like so big. And so. So you know she so articulate and going through these really big leaps in growth and and And learning and and I I happen to going to being a little bit wistful about in looking at paid like Pictures of her even from a year ago. Wow like she grew so much you know and And I and I know and I. It's I'm realizing her. Her Little Ness and her serve that baby. That sort of you know the past three years like that's slipping away like an you know she's getting older and so now that we're spending twenty four hours together. I do get to experience at all because I do have to mention the first two years of her life like I was stay at home dad for her so we spent a lot of time together and in which she started going to daycare. I was well welcomed the break but now she's back here doing this all day long at the very least we get to at least I could just spend that time as hard as you know we'll get in the bad but As hard as it is I do realize like well. It's that little we get now. This is providing us with that little extra time to spend like all day together. I guess I know this spinal the stress at least the time spent. Hopefully I'll look fondly on it. You know I mean yeah you know. I think that it actually was one of the things which I relish most about my well certainly for Hudson I happened to be at home for a certain period of his very young life and that is something you never get back right. I mean there's there's a certain you know it's challenging difficult but beautiful and irreplaceable. And you know for the next week or so you're GonNa love it fell and then off so for me. It's interesting because I mean I love in a lot of ways I do love. You know the time spent with the kids. You know Face constantly all but actually the thing which is interesting is because my parents who are in their in their early eighties are also on a particular lockdown. You know they you know we're not letting them leave the house at all even before the formal Shelter in place order. Came Down New York. I said no leaving the house whatsoever not even go to church. You know it was very hard Just stay at home but the interesting thing is to enforce that you know we've been having Facetime chats on a regular basis and. I'm actually finding that you know me. And the kids are spending more time talking to their grandparents than they might have otherwise you know when we all have much more active including my parents. They're very active people. They they got all the time they have friends. They travel and you know when I actually try to reach after them half the time. They're like on Missouri. Now call you back later and then they don't come back now. They're always at home and they're always eager to talk to me and talk to the kids and it's kind of a you know a weird little silver lining blessing. I mean again. It's one of those things that will get hard over time I mean we're sending them delivery of of of groceries and and so forth and and meals and sometimes trying to. We're trying to arrange some sort of like family you know. Coast to coast potluck kind of thing where you eat together on facetime. But it's hard because of course they are three hours. Think with us so it's nevertheless been being a hidden blessing in all of this and with that Let's let's jump into the next round the bad I mean. There's so much that we could talk. But that's bad so let's talk about something that's bad but unexpected. I mean we know that this is a gigantic crisis. And we're all living through this and it's going to be something that will shape our our children's lives like like nothing that I think shaved US growing up. You know not nine eleven. Not You know not You know I don't know the Iraq War I mean. There's so many different things that that we can point to. But this is something a pothole you know so given that. Let's start with. Let's start with you Stephen What would you say is the The unexpected badly not the expected that thing things that did not realize is GonNa be rough and that is about this. I think I think for me. The unexpected bad is the is just the kind of lack of time and energy for myself lying the self care part of it and I think it's also easy to be more aware of it when you see people who are not parents just lamenting. Oh I don't know what else to watch right now. Like so that's a particularly Particularly upsetting to be personally but Yeah I think the I think that there's you know there's a lot to do with as a parent and always Being on and it just so happens that Yeah like with my work. I mean like a Lotta People's work. It's like we're just dealing with this new reality and so our jobs have changed and what we're working on is changed and and it's so there's a huge learning curve adjustment and people are freaking out and so Just taking the time to kind of stay sane and like today. I did a workout on on Youtube and I haven't done that in like five or six years and I really need to do this because it's like otherwise I'm not getting any exercise so Yeah I guess that just like that. Part is Is One that I'm still trying to kind of like getting adjusted to China trying to compensate for however I can. Wow I mean yeah definitely I feel like there's so much more time in so much less time at the same time so weird right Phil what about you? What's what's your unexpected that I think the bad is. I'm just I'm afraid you know what I mean. I'm scared and it's like this is their rapid before you know. This is a nightmare scenario. And like I wavered between. I think I don't know if I said this before but I wear between. It's going to be okay and like Oh my God like for do you know and I and I have serious. I go through conversations with my mind. Like what are we GONNA do? If like one of us get sick and like you know even the small place in the three of us here and and just it just just coping with this and then the added level of Afraid for my kid and her you know she's young and and like we've been shielding with like like what's actually happened. It's hard to explain what's actually happening. She just knows like people. You can get sick if you have germs and so we need to wash the germs away. You know But I can tell like she realizes something's going on because she hasn't been as he has a senior friends. She hasn't been to school so she hasn't seen her friends and she doesn't get to interact with other kids. You know that's you know it's it's It's second a toll on her. You know like today. I know we had this episode. Where she she broke down crying. 'cause we moved her stickers off the off off the window and a. I could tell it wasn't really about the stickers United States like this added like level of like what the fuck is going on. You know like you know so. Just wait til she's old enough to actually say that. Yeah Yeah and I. It broke my heart. You know what I mean and and I. I don't know what to how long this is going to go on. And like we're GONNA have to deal with that but yeah a lot of it is just me being like afraid of like of what you know of not knowing anything right now you know? Yeah yeah well I mean. I'm going to flip it over to you TREASA to talk about the bad on your side. I feel I feel like even if you find a bad you'll find a way to talk about it. That sounds as we're talking. You're just you're so good at that anyway. I don't know I was GonNa say I really must be Jim to and We've been walk after lunch And I mean it was an eye opener for me when we were when we were walking and My daughter yells out. Oh Mommy there's a person right there we go to walk across the street and get away and I don't want our kids to grow up being afraid of e around people and I I feel like especially for her being the youngest. This might be like scarring or you know. It might be a permanent thing almost to kind of hate being around people and you know we my husband and I talk a lot about how we don't want our kids to grow up like how they're growing up in Japan where you know they're so used to having everything come to them and that they don't socialize with real people anymore and We got to the point where we were. We were requiring my son to go to his junior prom but not. That's canceled my going to be happening. So what we're doing is almost accelerating what we're fearful of happening here and so. I don't know that's been my biggest worry Even after this is all over I worry about the permanent effects on our kids. Yeah I mean you know that that lingering sense that you know. You can't turn back time. You can't erase things. You Memories Memories. It's going to be rough because we're not just parenting for now. Obviously parenting for whatever it kids end up being a decade from now I mean I. Maybe that's my my bad to the sort of sense of of anxiety that as we stretch into months as A lot of these things build up that I will have run out of capacity and resources right to accommodate to answer things to accommodate things right. I I mean the the cancellations talking about you know I. I know that You're someone's GonNa take the sat's right My mind also That's sixteen years old and you know you don't know the degree to which this lost half year quarter year have ones ends up. Being has a permanent impact on our kids and I've I'm sort of already at that point now where at least Hudson doesn't always turn to me and say you have an answer for this. You know. Teenagers don't believe that anymore right but my younger one definitely. You know. There's still sandwich that believes that a parent can fix things is still there and I think that at some point in the next three four months I may be at that point where I I will simply have to say it not just. I don't know the answer but I don't know any answers anymore and that really scares me. It is the Downer. One the bad. I'm sorry guys so I'm GonNa flip around and talk about Goatee F. And and then I'll turn it over to fill and then we'll we'll have you guys Sign off for us but for you know so the WF for me is. I obviously have a pretty unique view on the world of Shall we say entertainment creativity? Production of stuff right both as somebody who has been a you know a longtime observer and critic of Hollywood movies and Television and now of course with an a son Who has been on television show for six seasons and Also just generally being kind of Jason to a lot of the stuff and you know knowing that so much of what we take for granted here in Los Angeles especially Is is has ground to a halt and nobody knows what's going to happen with that right So my my WCs about. This is a little bit like we've gotten so almost entitled an indulgent about peak. Tv in particular right and about bigger and bigger movies happening all the time. All that is going to stop. Production is done for four months and nobody knows what happens when things turned back on again. But there's probably GONNA be a gap a window which will have SCR kind of like fresh screen entertainment if you will and in a in a world or screen time has become such a big part of our lives. I'm just wondering what kind of weird content apocalypse we're going to face With all this. And whether or not the last thing which we've kind of turned to as like a vaccination against loneliness and boredom is is going to be on running on empty just time. We could use that sort of escapism. You know so. That's a question for me and hopefully it's one that we don't end up having to face 'cause I don't know what I'll do that shows. Just that's all right So Phil What about you? What's what's your about parenting curve and So I am so I was already kind of a Germaphobe. Now it's gone to extreme levels right just like just easing behavior. We'll go outside to just run a quick check the mail mailboxes a couple of paces down the way and and Al Comeback and distribute naked. Like you know like burn your Burma close and then insane handwashing and then like it's all the handwashing you know like. Oh my Gosh And then how do we impart that this idea to my kid who just like It's already getting really like kind of like not wanting to go to the bathroom because she has to salt in washing your hands. You know like we've had a couple of accidents the last couple of days and I. I suspect it's because she's resistant to go to the bathroom. Because the handwashing. But it's like I don't know I you know like the handwashing is is adequate. I mean like obviously there's a certain level of control that needs to happen but now I feel like it's Is just like so excessive and so but I guess this is what saving our lives right. I don't know so But yeah like that. The hand washing the and and sort of keep trying to keep things sterile is like a weird like crazy making game. Now you know in our household so That and then we have a toddler. It's like trying to trying to account for that. Chaos in trying to keep things sterile is like it's it's just. It's that's also stressful. It's crazy making yeah justice overlaying two things on each other in a way. Does it feel to extend that. You know right before all this hit those like a spate of movies like a bird box or whatever you know where it's like oh my gosh. World's changed forever and now we can't like do certain things we always used to do you. Know it's like that level of apocalyptic behavior and all the the new rituals around. It's almost like kind of Hollywood or or destiny was warning us that something was about to come. You know not quite the Zombie Apocalypse. Or whatever but you know it's like I think to myself all the things which I have now begun to do to your point. Fill that I never thought of before from you. Know wearing masks going outstanding six feet away from people you know again compulsive sanitizing and hand washing And even like one of the things I've actually been doing. Weirdly enough has been sitting car or even just driving around the block wants just to with the excuse in some ways to keep the battery from dying but also because it's like it feels like going outside in a weird way and it feels like having that piece that you can't get when you're in a room in a house full of three other people. I don't know how much this is going to end up. Being just a part of the way we do things forever or Unlearn whether it'll just be erased or something like is the is the world different forever or is this just for now. I don't know I'm never gonNA shake everyone's hand stop licking you. Hello Lick across the face. Okay so Teresa what is your W T F The unexpected or maybe expected Dumpty F of turn to a A pandemic I. We were just having this conversation today. About how you know. Our kids are on a screen all day every day for school. And we don't allow them to be on a screen during the week because we want them to be creative and be makers of their art and so But now that their on screen for school on the weekends when we don't have that Roy anymore they're still on a screen and you're watching shows movies all day And so we were talking about how we need to get off a screen to just kind of claim. Are Mike Brains? So I kind of wanted to go and start another line of you. Know kind of what he was saying earlier. Having a list of things to do you know where it doesn't involve a screen. I actually sat my nephew down on on zoom when he was actually hoping they start that list and he came up with a long list and he. You know he's nine year old came up with a good lesson quitting like learning how to do a hands down without touching the wall. And you're Rubik's cube you know solving Rubik's Cube and then there's around things but it just I feel like I really want the kids to be unplugged for at least part of every day It's Kinda sad we can't even go through a day today. I said just three hours can not be honest. Gained three hours and they kiss didn't know what to do with themselves and are kind of frantic. Like I don't know what to do. What can we do So yeah that's been my I you know I gotta figure this out Theresa. I think your kids are going to be okay. I think that is true. I do I do. I do to make another list though. I'm excited All right well Stephen. Take US home. What is your dubs. Yes might for me. I went Yesterday to To pick up some food for my parents and my parents like you jaffer in the early eighties but they live. They live locally so Wanted to give them some some fruits and vegetables. There's a farmer's market near me and And so I went and as I was at the farmer's market and then Driving to my parents place I was like I can't even tell that there's less people out like it feels like a normal Saturday in terms of the amount of cars that are on the street. And I'm like what is going on here like this is this is just shocking to me like when you see pictures online of places that are isolated but then you step out and now granted. I was in my car. I was going to help my parents out with this. But like it's just like what's going on people you gotta stay home. I don't think everybody's really getting the picture here. And this isn't like people are on spring break or something right. This is just like You know around. L. A. and so it was It was just like yeah very very W T F at its fullest and And so just wanting to see people really wake up and take more seriously and stay home. The weirdest thing is they were all actually headed to parents as parents. Yeah I mean I gotta say it's like I The I have obviously been driving other than around the block. since the lockdown but The last days before the lockdown did feel like the highways were dead zone. You know and I don't know what it's like now but my my assumption. My guess is that like I mean. We are supposed to be at home. I I don't know. Is there a penalty for not being home right now? Or is it. I don't think I think there is in theory. There is a penalty. But it's it's totally unenforceable. Well I just heard San Jose will start enforcing tomorrow. Ohau witless citations. Oh Wow wow. Yeah well if you're hosting a barbecue at the park or something but yeah you should get a barbecue. Cancel all right. I guess that tie that takes we've got on there right. No and yeah first of all. Thank you so much Stephen and Theresa for taking the time out and also sharing your perspectives. And everything like that. It's been You know this is. This is really hard. And it's it's made easier by you. Know a staggered other and sharing. And all that you know absolutely thanks. Yeah no special props to you theresa. This is your inaugural podcasts experience. When I asked Jean if you'd be willing to come on he was like he said he said that he convince you by saying that That it would help people and use it. You said yes. I appreciate that a lot. And he and he said that he would take over parenting duties tonight. So so you also gotTA shout out Jeans Book. That came out this past week dragon hoops. Which Theresa you you are in so if you WANNA see Theresa. Yeah if you want to see Teresa in Comic Book Form Checkout Dragon Hoops. It's great book. Really say all those things off the book makes you sound very wise very very wise so the book is accurate. Theresa is there. Do you have any kind of social media presence that you'd like to share if you that's okay my sister and I just started a company called graphic campus and basically we organize a book a civil for Young Authors in the San Jose Area and we were coaching for writing teachers. So that's at were. We're going to be launching Our Virtual Book Festival because we had to cancel. Our Lot are live. Want so So that's GonNa be in May and Gene is partnering with US and helping US get some videos out to writing teachers that they could use right away in their classrooms because a lot of requests unheard a lot of Stressed out teachers trying to figure out what to do with writing especially and so we'll have those available this week also in work people find that. Oh it's on our facebook page for graphic campus It also be linked to genes facebook. Page Great Stephen Wwco Working People find you yeah they can check out dad ventures that Hello DAD VENTURES DOT COM and on facebook instagram twitter and We're going to be putting out a lot more resources in the coming weeks on activities for families to do at home Both activities for families to do together as well as activities for kids to do alone because parents need time to have their kids doing stuff As well as options that don't involve a screen So working on on putting that all together right now cool Jeff Yang. We're GONNA be do huddled at home for me. I don't know why I original spin on twitter and other places but mostly twitter's And Phil how about yourself? How can people find? You could find me Have dead on the couch watching episode of Dagua Stephens by me at angry Asian man in angry Asian man dot com. Well that does it for this episode of the calls. Bruce you can find they call us Bruce. At they cost Bruce on twitter facebook instagram et CETERA. 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Episode 93: They Call Us Yul Kwon

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Episode 93: They Call Us Yul Kwon

"Hello and welcome to another edition of US. Bruce and unfiltered conversation. But what's happening in Asia America? I'm bill you and I'm Jeff Yang and we are again. Socially distant coming remote from three different cities to them are are parts of southern California and the third use northern California. Where one of our very good friends. Somebody who we have not had a chance to speak to for quite a while. Friend of the PODCAST friend of a friend of America. You'll kwan is with US tonight. It's okay to greet to connect guys like it's been forever since I've talked with you some. I'm really excited catch up. Yeah Yeah it's like a lifetime kind of feels like it anyway does does so. We've got your Kwon Winner of survivor. Cook Islands. That's back. That was many years ago. But we have them on now because you are on the current season of survivor. The the fortieth season of survivor the The twentieth anniversary season and It is particularly special because all the contestants are previous winners You know I gotta say like I. I haven't watched survivor in years. I mean it has to be like maybe a decade but you. You are the reason why I tuned in to watch this currency. Is it going to see what my boy is doing? Express I mean let's not undersell. How much of a game? Changing moment was on that that very first season the county's not only because of you and the fact that you one but it was such a a weird season and one where they literally it was the whole of survivor race war so there was actually a team. Asian to vote to root for and I mean even now it was I feel like it was actually a critical moment in some ways in the kind of coming out of Asia America in television because for the first time as much as the concept was you know a little bit Questionable it was also the first time I think they purposely cast a group of Asian Americans who very specifically had to fill very different roles. That is it wasn't like Asian Person Fitting Asian shaped hole right and as a result. You know it it forced I think Primetime America to start really discerning and recognizing the fact that we do occupy a abroad slice of bandwidth in the spectrum of personalities. And of course the fact that you one was like the Cherry on top of that Sunday well okay. You'll before you say I have to tell I have to say to Jeff. Please don't ever use the term Asian shaped hole ever again. My Gosh Art. Yeah I mean Cook Islands was. I agree with Jaffe was a game changer. In terms of Asians on television Reality Television and also just representation in general. I think that was a key moment. Not I mean not least because you were such a dominant player on that season filling sort of all the checks of a really great survivor player. You know and that was a defining moment for you like what like how do you. How do you find that in your life? You know yes you know for me. I never thought I'd go on television. I'm a deep introverted. By nature and like the idea of like getting exposed in front of millions of people was the furthest thing from my mind. you know. The only reason I got on the show was because they had that racial twist and so they were basically desperate to try to find agent people for the tribe. Because back then you. You just didn't see a lot of Asian Americans. Applying to be on reality shows so they. I think literally every single person that tribe had been recruited. In my case. I literally got a call Like a week before the final round of casting and I don't even know how they found me. I think one of the casting agents was looking for more Asian Americans And then somehow she got in contact with one of friends and I think basically describing what they're looking for and I think you know I don't know if this pc or not. I think it was pretty clear that they're casting in some ways like for stereotypes like basically. I think that my friend was told. Yeah we're looking for someone who's like Asian and really smart good at math. She's like Oh exactly. You GotTA TALK TO GEEK. Right so I got a call one day and you know when when I got to see the craziest thing like why would ever go on a reality show and you know I thought about it and the reason I went on. I've talked about this before is like growing up. I just felt like there was a lack of people from our committee on television like growing up. I didn't see a lot of Asian Americans who were portrayed as like leaders just like ordinary Americans and I felt like it really impacted the way that I viewed myself on the way. Define my relationships. Like I've always thought of myself as being kind of this quiet person. I never thought it was appropriate for me to speak up and took me a long time to really develop a sense of confidence in myself and you know again. There are lots of reasons for that but I think the absence of having visible images Like in the media people you can identify with them. Look up to and hey you know. That's the kind of person that can be. I think that played a subtle but pretty pervasive role in the way that I I saw myself and I developed and so fast forward overtime it took me a while but eventually got more comfortable with myself. You Know I. I grew up always feeling limit marginalized always kind of like not the cool kid and I remember like when it got the opportunity. I thought to myself look. How often is it that some of our community gets that chance right to go on a mainstream television show and the thing that really kind of got me excited I guess was whatever you see on television at least up to that point they were typically portrayed according to the stereotypes right? And it's not like it's not like he had any choice. It's not like the actor can go in there and say like no no no. I'm not gonNA say these lines. The basically have to play the role that the Makassar and read the line to someone else wrote for them and realize the great thing about reality shows that you know it doesn't matter why am being cast again in my Kisa. Felt like they're clearly looking for a certain stereotype but once I got on the show the great thing about reality shows that I could say whatever I to say. I didn't have to read the lines. That person in Hollywood wrote for what he thought in Asian. I should say right so I was thinking okay. Look I don't feel like I'm the best person to represent I'm not. I'm not a telegenic person I don't speak typically confidently a well like how often to someone get this opportunity and you know what if I go out there and I do halfway decent like maybe that next kid. Who's like me growing up? But just kind of starved for these images of people in the media that they could kind of identify with an emulate like me might make an impact for someone like that and that's basically why went on. The show can be clear though that when you say oh you know Asian good at Math Kinda Geeky and so forth most people's perception the visual image. That comes mind does not really look like you'll it's like maybe more like me. The the fact is they're framing of who they're looking for also had like asterisk also helps if he's ripped looks without a shirt on and worked out so hard. I mean again one of the things I was thinking. I don't want to go out there and look like this. Frail kind of like persons never seen the light of day so I worked out like crazy like I wanted to Friday like be conscious of the stereotypes that I've seen when I was growing up and try to do my best to like you know. Upend some of the stereotypes so I worked at Lake for two months like hardcore. Like I didn't want to go out there. And Kinda beat Central Geek but when you actually were dropped on on this deserted island were with your tribe and everything. How much of of what happened there and I think we can speak about it. You know with the fourteen year separation at right. How much of of what you actually encountered was Steph. You expected to encounter. I mean it is ultimately even though it's made for tv you gotTA survive there and you've got to survive there with a a family quote unquote right. You never met before and you have to build some kind of relationship with and everything is going to be close friends others maybe less. So how did how did you actually deal with that? Well you know. We started off divided into our ethnic tribes and You know again. That was actually something. They didn't tell us before like you know. They told US literally once. We got on the island the night before the game started. If I'd known that they were going to do that to no way I would have gone on the show. Like I should've for the casting final round of interviews. I was like Whoa. This is kind of weird. They're like a lot of Asian people. Here this is pretty cool and I thought maybe what they might want to do is start off with different tribes with one person of each ethnicity on each trip. I thought okay. That might make sense that. Maybe that's not a bad thing. It didn't really occur to me that they would try to separate us by because it just seemed like such a blatantly terrible idea right it just seems so like shocking to me and I just thought that like look. That would be a terrible thing to do. Because I couldn't imagine it working out in ending in a way that I thought would would end positively right so you can imagine like you know a thousand different ways that the season would end and most of them were bad right so if you had like all the white people pending out and they white that all the people of color that's bad that's not gonNa take or what my Asian tribes say the Asian people dominate. And we'd get rid of all the white people and all these you know it's like that's not going to send a good message either. So you know when when he told me that the night before. I almost quit. I was like this is like a really bad idea. Like I can't imagine how this is going to end in a in a way that's going to like reflect well on Asian Americans or any of that type of stuff so you know I thought about it really hard and I was close to quitting and the thing that kept me on was I realized that. Look if I if I quit. They're still going to do the show right. And I looked at some of the other folks were on their end. It seemed to me that there are also being cast a stereotypes. And you know if I if I stayed on at least I might have some chance of influencing how the game plays out whereas if I wasn't on I had no influence over there if it turned out poorly. Don't lowest feel kind of badly that maybe could have done something and I didn't so I decided to stay and you know for me. It wasn't that was trying to win. I thought the chances of me winning individually so like abysmal. That wasn't something I should optimize for. But what it wants to do is I didn't want the season to end with one. Ethnicity wiping out everyone else. Like I really wanted to try to build multi ethnic coalition or lions and so that was what else are we committed to so even on a truck stop his Asian American tribe then we tripe swap in for me was very important to try to build relationships with people outside of my tried and you know as it was fortunate would have it. We'll ultimately were able to have a very positive story where I formed a really tight alliance with people from virtually every ethnic tribe and we stayed together got to be unthought backstabbing each other and that was the thing that was most happy about more. So than Winning individually I mean. I think I think we're all pretty shocked by the con- the race war premise. In the beginning but that you know that dissolved pretty quickly and then it became very apparent to me like. Oh this is the. You'll Quanzhou for your Klein because it was. I was like wow I. You were dominating sort of the physical challenges. You're sort of your neighbor playing up. This master strategist kind of thing but also it was one of the few times during the show where I saw a player play with real integrity. You know what I mean. And that's something that stands out a lot Now knowing you after the fact and Getting know you. I know that that is such a so true to your personality dude and so I always look back at Cook Islands as standout season. Because it's one of the few times where can point to the winner being like someone just played fair and well and is not sort of survivor? Doesn't invite that kind of play. You know what I mean. Yeah Yeah I appreciate that. That's very kind of you. I you know for me again. I thought the chances of me winning were so low that again. That wasn't the goal that is really set out setting out to do and I was very conscious of the fact that there were so fusion. Reagan's have been on television in mainstream kind of television platform. That I didn't WANNA screwed up. I didn't WANNA fuck it up like I didn't want to win at all costs if I played a really devious way. That just like would kind of you know kind of bring back images of like the yellow peril or something like that. Like I for me. I wanted to try to play like a solid game. Play hard as I could but in a way that it could look back and feel good about like that other people can look at and feel good about that someone from our community actually able to represent an fairly positive way. I will say I mean you know for the most part. I think I was able to what I wanted to do. The one thing that that that kind of in retrospect and it kind of informs my experience with him thing again is that because I was so nervous about the whole. Racial theme like L. Is Very careful about what I said like. I self censored a lot of things that I said. I try to be very very PC. 'cause I had no idea how they're going to edit things the way that survivor kind of works chop things up. And they'll you know frame things in such a way to kind of create dramatic tension. And so I. I was worried that if they really were lenient to the whole racial thing that they would try to kind of inflame kind of sense of racial tension in so. I was very very circumspect in what I said and as it turned out like it. They didn't do that. The racial thing kind of fell apart fairly quickly and I think became just kind of normal game but I think because of that was very like reserved in the way that express myself and so there was kind of like in some ways. I think did. Kind of perpetuate the stereotype that Asians are like you know not particularly funny or they don't have like sense of humor or stuff like that so so twenty because like that's fourteen years like you know when I went on survivor this time around again. Fortunately there's no risk for going on so delighted about that but it also gave me like a sense of freedom like I didn't feel dislike tremendous pressure to represent my entire community in a certain way. So I've been all of I've been more just been more open with the way that I kind of expressed myself and especially on social media. Now I've kind of been letting loose him. It's actually been a lot of fun. I've got a good response. So yeah that's that's that's been you know it's been an interesting experience but yeah I mean Cook Islands. I couldn't. I can't really complain it. It worked out far better than I ever imagined than it gave me a guy you think. Yeah I mean I you know. Afterwards I felt it was important for me to try to use my fifteen minutes of fame today. Something positive and do a lot of lakes fairly good on profit work like the Bonar said. I've always been pretty committed to. Yeah no I mean I think has got him my wife to that show so now like married have kids and none of that stuff would have gone forever. You actually introduced to your wife by a one of your saviour. Cast mates right. Yeah Yeah Yeah Brad Virata who was on my own so I'm did you guys have you guys continue to serve. Stay in touch over the last fourteen years or so or does it. Just the Asian tribe as worse. Yes and no. I mean you know after after that show was close with like Becky and Jonathan Sandra inbred to some extent but over fourteen years. You you kind of lose touch a little bit. I mean I think we're stole all friends but you know it's a little bit more sporadic than it used to be interesting because when Jeff probst was talking about Recruiting for this. You know like winners versus winners season. Right he was like fielding different. Just like an interview I saw fielding different people he wanted to get on and I think he said before that you're actually his like in the top ten of his favorites winners all know about that wrestlers Asia. There I I don't think so. I did not think just like me and in fact I if anything I thought he was. Kinda like going out of his way to you know. Give me a hard time. I asked him about it afterwards. I'm like Jeff Flake. Wait why don't you break my balls? Man Can so hard for me time that he thought I was just like dominating the game and he just wanted to spice things up and make more interesting but yeah I don't know I mean I I think jeff is always like again. I don't really know it's not like I talked to sky every day like I have a tremendous respect for him but I've never thought that I was someone that he particularly cared for as a player. I think he'd like me as a person but I always thought he thought it was kind of boring. So it's funny because I have seen the same interviews and like he says like really likes me and one of his favorite players. He's been trying to bring me back for years. I'm like I don't remember. I don't think I don't remember you'd be inbound my door to bring the what it is. I've come back in and it was fun. This time around. I had a lot of fun. Jeff was extremely gracious And we had a lot more fun this time again. Like the summer ended Infield More personally show and I think you appreciate that Do they have had previous seasons where they brought back previous contents oak. You were you were. You approached for previous seasons to come back a few times from my season. I mean my season from Collins was like a stacked cast right like you had poverty whose probably possibly the best player ever. She's been brought back like four times. Jonathan Penner played three times. Kansas played twice an ozzy until this season has spent more time. It's Barbra than anyone else. He played four times right so all these people have been brought back in my case I was asked a couple of times and then one time it got pretty far but I think basically decided not to bring you back last minute. The last time that I think the asked me seriously happens. Maybe like six years ago but the problem then was I just had a baby. I just started a new job so doesn't Waco back so yeah I mean again. It's not like they've been asking me to come back over and over again so that that's kind of knew that this time when they asked me to come back it was going to be an all winners thing because I figured the only way I was going to cut back was if they brought back only winners and if you have that why not bring back all right so I think it's interesting because if his rationalization was that you were dominating the game too much maybe they literally were saving you for a contest of champions on some level But I will say that I mean another thing I saw was that when entertainment weekly did a poll of Basically like reader's favorite survivor contestants like again of all time. I think you came in number one. Then what if an Asian stacking the deck or something like you know Melamine population of folks? Who are likely to vote on those things. I think are probably skewed towards Asian Americans. But I've had a couple of times programming. The Bod that voted for me like a million times. Thank you so what? What ultimately led you to to want to come back in. And was it like a hard decision for you. I mean in terms of you know the experiencing self right it was I. You know it's like I think When I was younger I would have been more open to just like coming back this time around man by the time the asked me had been thirteen years like it felt like a different person a completely different life like my life now is like so boring. It's like I have two kids. I have a job like there's nothing about my life. That's interesting like in in any kind of let me put it like. I have a wonderful life but it. I don't do any kind of crazy interesting stuff like that. That's not me so this time around when they asked me it just felt like what like like if I if I didn't objectively know that I had gone on survivor. At some point in my life done it. It never would have occurred to me. They said something like me would go on. It just seems so outside my kind of realm of experience but the other thing was quite honestly. I didn't think my wife would go for like my wife has always been very opposed to. Do that might go back on the island again. Who you know. It sounds like I don't know like just seems kind of a weird thing to do now going back. I also had not been in my current job for that long and so I was thinking okay. Like Howard dig on a lake. Let me go like that's probably not going to happen. So I talked to my wife and to my utter surprise she was like. Oh my God you gotta go out of the House. Have even into that this before. You've always been started down like what happened to my wife. Listen like you got two kids and a stable job. I know you're not going anywhere. I know you're not gonNA come back and try to like become this like reality. Star and start your own reality podcast or something so so many think because we have such a stable settled boring life. The idea of doing something a little bit crazy was actually exciting for her. So yeah that was the thing that kind of opened up the possibility I still was kind of a little bit kind of iffy on it You know and then I asked my boss my management chain. They're also supportive but the thing that really tipped it over. The edge for me was You know From Cook Islands one of the people stay close friends with With Jonathan Penner. And you know we had a very tumultuous relationship Cook Islands like I think you know. We started off relationship with him stealing my chicken when we didn't even know each other and then became allies and then he back stabbed me and then we're enemies and then like we had become allies again in the enemies that when a block blindsided him and then he voted for me at the end so it was a very like up and down rollercoaster. Aleisha outside the game though we stayed in touch and we started becoming very close friends. And you just honestly someone. I adore like inside the game. You know it's a weird environment right it it kind of you know you do a lot of things you wouldn't do in normal life But outside the game he was just a genuinely caring thoughtful loving person. And you know I got to know his wife kids and and really just get started looking to him as a role model for the kind of father I wanted. He's such a devoted. Father was such a devoted husband. A see how much like saw much. She loved his wife and his kids. Are these like amazing. Kids like very articulate and well-spoken. Remember thinking myself. Gosh I I want to have kids like that like I remember asking him literally one point like how did you do that? Like how did you raise your kids to be such like wonderful children? So you know through that whole process We came close. And then you know they're the unfortunately have been going through just an incredible tragedy a couple years ago. Stacy was diagnosed with AOL US and Unfortunately it's a relatively rare form of ls that's caused by a genetic disorder that that In hurdle so her grandfather died from. Ls Her mother died in with complications related to like dementia that was triggered by this gene. And she does. She discovered that she had and you in the last two years. The disease has progressed. Very quickly and very dramatically. So you know. By the time I got asked to go on survivor. Stacey had been essentially confined her bed the disease had gone to join where she'd lost all motor function except for her is And that's basically the only way she can communicate `electronic screen that has attracted technologicial slowly spell out letters so just seeing. Jonathan go through. This was absolutely heartbreaking. And it's not just what he has to go through a she has to go through but it's the knowledge that each of their children has a fifty percent chance of inheriting a man disorder. That will cause these. So I've I've done what I can just as a friend and try to be supportive but know I felt like most people do just incredibly helpless and then when I got this call at some point I just kind of made the connection like hey if I wanted the show. I'll have this platform to try to raise awareness of this and try to raise some funds in a way that I couldn't do otherwise than I thought back to my experience on Cook Islands and I don't know if you guys know this but one thing that I've always been very involved with was has been de the effort to try to increase number of Asian Americans who become registered become bone. Marrow donors right. Yeah totally we. It was one of the things which I thought was really remarkable about how you used a platform mealy that you know you you really reaching out to other Asian Americans to get on board with doing something that very much directly with you know helping people to survive. You know that you know for me. It starts off when In college my my best friend was a guy named Evan Chen. And Evan I had been for instance childhood We grew up really close in high school. Were best friends. We both got into college together. And then We were roommates and then in my sophomore year. He was diagnosed with leukemia. And you know the basically said that. His only chance of cure was to have a bone marrow transplant. And the problem has we found back. Then is that if you're occasion your chances of finding a bone marrow donor in the national registry of people rich to become bonar donors is actually pretty good because enough occasion people have registered become bone marrow donors. But if you're Asian American your chances are are abysmal like back then we're told the NHL One and fifteen thousand chance of finding a match and obviously confined match. So you know. I stopped going to my classes and I tried to organize. Marriage is in a desperate effort to try to find a match and I just remember how hard it was back then. It was just incredibly hard to get people to pay. Attention is hard to get media to pay attention. I was trying to think of all the Asian American viewers. It's in politics or media and there was just a very short list of people right in. I wasn't successful in trying to reach out to them to help publicize it. 'cause it's ultimately my friend passed away in my senior year and ever since then. I've been active in trying to get more people registered compared Organizing bone marrow drives but it was just you know it's like pulling teeth. It's so hard to get attention. It's so hard to get people to to give and so when it went on survivor. You know and a one. I figured I have these fifteen minutes of fame. I'm getting all these people. All these organizations around the country especially Asian American patients have been inviting me to come speak right. It's like corporations universities like all across the map and I thought hey this might be the opportunity that can use to actually try to make a difference here and so basically made it a condition that if someone wanted me to come and make an appearance or give a speech. They'd have to let me run a bone marrow drive and so I worked with a lot of the Bone marrow organizations around the country. The eastern wrecking donor program the national marrow donor program and so anytime. I went to give a speech. I would basically work with organizations to run a boomer drive and so like I think over two years helped organize maybe like sixty or seventy or eighty bonar judgment. I don't know the exact count but again this is like I was able to do something at a at a skill. That was impossible for me to do before. And one thing I I just feel really happy about like of the soul experiences at. We were able to find a match for at least three people through the driveway but Organiz. So you know it was just you know again. The the nature reality fame is that it you get this like burst of attention for wild quickly fades and so and for me like I was more than happy to just go back to my normal life. I like it was my aspiration and go back on reality shows and things like that but when this came run again this opportunity go back on survivor and knows can before the twentieth anniversary. All the winners coming back. We're not all the winners is going to be an all winter season. You know something that I knew. This was going to put a lot of marketing muscle behind the curtain. Me Like look I might be able to do something going on the show that it would not be able to do otherwise. So that's that's the thing that kind of pushed me over the edge. That's why I did. It did did you when you actually shared this with. I mean presumably you said Hey I i. I really would like to use this platform in that fashion. What what was the reaction? I think people were supportive. But you know at the time it wasn't like I also want to be a little bit careful because I wasn't sure what the reception would be. I wasn't sure if Jeff probst in you know everyone else would actually not want to play for that reason like again. I wasn't sure I you know you would think that most people would be like everyone has their own mitigation going back on the show but we can. I wasn't entirely sure. What if they're like no? No no we just want people who are really going to be cut throat and we'll like just play for themselves right so I wasn't like super overt about it until actually got on the island and at that point like you know screw something up. And so my pre-game interviews. I was pretty vocal about this. You know I figured like I'm going to talk about so much that they can't edit the stuff out But yeah I mean like when I was in the process them when they were kind of like asking me for a comeback on. I didn't really tell them why I want to go back. I saw the episode where you actually While on the island. And you're talking to the other players in the you talked about. You talked about the John Story and it. It came up like this is so you'll you know but I also thought that the show kind of played it like. This could be a play as well. You know what I mean sort of that. That sort of altruistic motivation of wanting to play this game. Which is you know. Not a lot of people use on the show. But it's happened before you know. Yeah I you know. I don't know I will say that during the game itself like obviously I wanted to be very careful about what as said 'cause one okay. Well look if anyone knew that plan to donate the money if I won like put up in a heartbeat like do not wanNA share with people Even just talking about like Jonathan Stacey. It was not true what you wanted to talk about that and when it actually came out it was not something I had plan on doing. I just Kinda came up in the conversation and they start talking about it in the mid like all these emotions that I had inside me. I've been keeping up just came out like I. It was not a plan kind of thing and you know. Fortunately I think the way that the other contestants interpreted was authentic. I don't think they thought I was trying to play them. And I don't know how the edit it came across but I I did occur to me afterwards. I'm like Oh my God I just like kind of shoe underfoot but But you know I will say that like After after we all came back I talked to. Cbs about really trying to do something to help. Johnson and Stacey and I gotta say. Cbs was terrific. Like they were very very supportive. individually you know kind of done things that they haven't done before we organized. Psa they filmed it. They highlighted a piece in the episode. Where I talked about this and the governor emotional and we worked together create a donation page to drive all the traffic. I mean for me but thing was look like the you might get awareness but you need to be able to convert that awareness into actual action. You need some place to get some people to in order to do something like make a donation it's A. Cbs was able to do that. We would partner with the ill association in to other nonprofits and really a campaign going which was so happy about you know to be transparent like talking with the the the publicity people. Cvs publicity We were sort of giving the directive that we couldn't talk about some specifics of gameplay or the curtsy like the current season two so going and so there's a lot that's in the air Obviously you will you know a lot more than you know that's been shown on tv all that stuff. So we can't really go into that. But I do WanNa talk in generalities of like you know. The the this is a season of everyone has one before you were on in two thousand six and that was the longtime there've been a lot of seasons in the between now between now the fact that there are so many all these all previous winners. They've seen each other play. It's very Meta and also the game has evolved and watching the show watching you want it. I couldn't help but few like us very gentle like you agree fadul. I mean like in the way you you you you know you talk to people and you're in the whispers and like you're like you're even in the wheeling and dealing of the strategy part like he's very like you're very very You're not one of the people that are painted as a villain or like a Schemer and House. Like is is as the game moved beyond. You'll like I'd like you know what I mean. I don't know if you felt that way but I felt it was a really interesting to see the different kinds of game play and I'm like. Wow you will played at a time. Where the game was completely different. You know I don't know it's it's funny like even now when I watch. Tv shows like old reruns or movies like or not movies but TV shows like anytime. I see like the old format where you know. It's not it's more like looks like a square as puts like a rectangle. I think it's like Oh my God. This is so old. It's like introduced to watch the show so when I see myself Cook Islands. I'm just like Oh this is like a different era. Like technology was so antiquated back. Then we didn't have like wide screen. Tv You know it has been like dude. It's been such a long time like I. I remember so when I decided I was going to go back on a wait. I don't have that much time left. Like what am I gonNA do hadn't been keeping up with all the seasons right so thinking? Oh Crap I watched twenty seven seasons of survivor. I can get started. The one thing I will tell you is like if you try to binge-watch twenty seven seasons of survivor like their license. Half the madness. Like one physically. There was no way I could do it. I calculated that if I tried to watch like something like eight hours of TV. A day. Between now. When I left I still wouldn't be able to catch up and you know still had a fulltime job. There's no way I could like actually do this but the other is just like if you just watch that much reality television in one like like back to back to back. It drives you crazy like after just like a couple of weeks ago. My God. I'm so sick of survivor. I can. I can't tell the difference between all the different seasons over the one thing that is like Pretty Remarkable Jeff. Probst is like super consistent. Like he's just like I don't know I kind of jokes. He joked that he's kind of like that. You know you're going to chucky cheese animatronic. You just Kinda Cryogenic Chamber. You hit the button music. I woke up. You know. I don't know how he does it. But that guy is like so precise is so good and so consistent. He's very good he's very good. Yeah well you know like after fourteen years I mean it sucks you got so fat and out of shape. I mean talk aging genes man. I will say I was not in great shape. I mean look you know. I played survivor. Fourteen years ago to kids ago had like a billion hamburger cents You know I had. I'm like you know my mid-forties Ahead. The Dad Bud but again. It's not a bad vibe. Berkman worked on crazy this ahead a personal trainer and like he got me in shape. I credited him and I lost a ton of weight again. Muslim Madison like by the time of attack. It was bad. You look the same dude. That's that's a real reason to fear. Wanted to get you out there like Think you need to like work. Yeah I feel lucky like you know. I still have my hair. I did have a tire but I was able to get rid of it but yeah I could feel my age like definitely going back this time around physically like I didn't have like quite the same energy to strengthen the way I'm sure like we're all you know like older but really kind of gets you. Where if you get injured more easily things get Iki. They're things that just don't go away and then once you get tired or hurt. The recovery is much much longer than I definitely felt that this time. Well it's probably a good time for us. Take a little bit of a break. What do you think yeah? This is a good time for us to take a break but when we return we will do our signature segment the good the bad and the WF with Yul Kwon so overripe acts like around. Hi I'm Marvin and I'm re-re worthy host. A book symbol a book club and podcast Etiquette Books Aiden in eastern authors. 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This is roundtable format conversation in which we take a single topic and address three different ways. The first is the good positive. The thing that makes us warm fuzzy optimistic hopeful about whatever that topic is The bad is The negative side the dark side of that thing and then finally the WPF is. You know really. It's this thing that we're still pondering the thing that puzzles us about that particular topic and given not just our guests but also kind of the world. We live in right now. We thought it'd be kind of interesting to talk about the good the bad and the dotiev of surviving of being survivor right which means a lot of different things. Now and I mean I think we will actually probe what it means in the conversation that we're about to have so With that we usually put our guest on the spot to start things off. And in this case you'll I mean it's an easy one right. Let's talk about what's good about surviving about being survivor. And Yeah it's good about surviving I mean a I mean I mean literally the good thing about some things that you're not dead the alternative positive Okay let me a little bit of a veterans to the good thing about surviving especially in different environments Is that it makes you stronger. You learn from it. You adapt it forces you to change and it also gives you a deeper appreciation in a better perspective. So let me just just give one example like you know when it went went when you're out on the island like like for example on survivor and you're just away from your family your way from your friends your literally stuck in this crappy island and you're like don't have food. You're losing weight. You're starving dirty. You don't have a place to sleep. You're just like you're really just kinda barely surviving when you come back. You just realize how richer life is. I can't describe what what it's like you know in in in my daily life. I usually wake up stressed out like immediately. I check my phone. Oh my God what kind of important meals are going kind of fire drills and then you know the whole day just like I think about all the things that are not going. Well think about all the things that I don't have you know like it's not like on a daily basis. I'm just happy or grateful for the things I have. I mean you know on survivor and again. I didn't have any of the stuff I was just like. Oh my God I would kill to have a hamburger right now. I would like murder someone to be able to kiss my kid right and then it just made me realize how rich full my life is. You know like had this one inch experience inside. There's a spot except when they're actually like I imagine like what I imagined like okay. So you're a soul. Who is going to be born into this planet and there were seven billion possible. Lives that you could cause roughly like some unplanned right and you didn't know which one of those life you're gonNa lead how I feel. I would think like Oh man. I don't know how this is GonNa work out is a very good chance. I might end up living a life. That's GonNa be a life of deprivation. Where literally just trying to like barely survive? And like you know I might be under threat of violence all that kind of stuff and if I realize at the life that I was gonna live is one that I've actually had. I would feel like a one the cosmic lottery right like I live in part of the planet where I don't have to worry about feminine. I don't have to worry about war and not only that within this country. I live in a part of this country where I live a comfortable life. I don't have to worry about like you know the many many different things that most people Birth have to have to worry about? So you don't WanNa came back. I was just like Oh my God I am so incredibly lucky like to have the life that I have not only do I have all the material needs met but have a wonderful wife at wonderful children. They're healthy. I have wonderful friends. And that's the thing that really kind of like like I don't know it was just a profound insight that house and so I guess that's the benefit of it like if you're able to survive in you're able to make it through whatever difficult time that you're going through you really learn to appreciate how great life can be and you don't take things for granted that's actually incredibly Not just thoughtful but thought provoking obviously and I mean I think especially now you know I you know look at Phil I'll jump in with the surviving right. I mean so it's very much Around what would you'll said although I'm going to frame it not from my fourteen year career as a reality TV champion but from my humble Huddled in a House with three other people twenty four seven perspective. I mean the the small things that you are encountering now the little victories and and the sort of tiny bits of of peace and quiet and inspiration that that emerge in this time of emergency just our so much sweeter You know we haven't really gone outside at all. My youngest who's twelve literally has not gone outside of off our property For three weeks right you know I. I've travelled out the grocery store and To get some necessary items You know In general we have been trying our best in all ways to to keep distant. Even when we're just walk around the neighborhood and you know getting some exercise and so forth but today we actually decided to take a bike ride and get something to eat from outdoors like as a giant tree to us. We actually had Sushi which you know ahead actually research to make sure that this was still going to be a reasonably safe thing to do we pick the place that was quite expensive and You know ordered it Pick it up from a distance. Paid you know kind of Rowley. All that stuff but it was something we've been kinda craving for for a while and I thought. Hey you know this is a you know. Basically almost three hundred lockdown. If we can do it safely. Walk Getting some exercise. Let's try doing it so we did. I'm sure there are people who will frown on that. But I will say that just the opportunity to actually get a certain distance away from the house you know. Even if we didn't actually encounter other people I mean other than you know. Sort of the brief exchange of value for goods and services. It was it was still. It's sort of breathtaking just to see new scenery. It was still. There's something something really beautiful about being able to purposely. Get Away instead of like get away and just purely functional desperate. It's you know Kinda scrabbling fashion to pick up. You know necessary items for for survival and I don't know it's like that's maybe the thing I miss most like doing things out of Volition. As opposed to doing things we have to As as a family as a parent and and yet we survive and so I think that on the back end of all this hopefully we will be much more grateful for the blessings. We do have Phil. How about yourself? I think my mind is just along similar lines with you. Guys obviously haven't had the experience of being on a desert island and all that stuff. We're all kind of care. Yeah but I mean I mean this. This is this is unique moment for a for all of us right And so every day. I think a little bit like like you know. There's the fear and there's executive anxiety of what we're living in right now but every day to be a little bit thankful if you look you know like I'll look back in the day. Today was hard like today like Dealing with kit and and all that stuff And being worried about terms and all that stuff. That's it's it's stressful. But you have to look back and look at like look. You have relatively easy. You are in a good position right now. You're not for what a lot of things you're you're you're fine you know but I will so good I just I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Actually GonNa look to twitter and I'm going to quote a tweet from somebody that I saw. That was a little perspective. This is from a journalist. Name Michelle Lee. Who tweeted Last week I asked my grandma who escaped North Korea as the Korean War broke out. How her Corona Corentin in Seoul compared to a war experience and I got an earful quote. What we were getting what we were getting bombed every day during the war. Now I sit in my house all day with Wi fi hashtag perspective. I think had it says it. I mean so we're good. We're good These are these are extraordinary times. But we're good So that's my good good good good. You could still door dash like Kimchi to bury it in the soil for three months as hard as we think we have it. It's it's not as hard as as our parents and our grandparents ever had it in in the worst of their time. So thank God for that. Can we create like my So yeah I mean I often think about you know for people who grew up in kind of our generation. You almost take for granted that life is supposed to be a certain way like you know but for most of our history of just like human history even in the last hundred years. I mean. This hasn't necessarily been the norm in. My parents grew up in post Korean War where they grew up in destitute. Circumstances like literally. Were just trying to survive my wife Sophie her family. She's ethically Chinese but the group in Cambodia and during the Chimera Rouge her like out of like nine aunts and uncles. Seven of them were killed. So you know so fi Sophie's. Mom just barely got out with her older sister on boats and eventually they were kind of scattered around. And you know if you just think about stuff like that. I mean it wasn't that long ago right and you know for us to like again. I think the the key thing that we were all saying is just. It's a matter of perspective and you know I think it's often easy for us to kind of lose that perspective and benefits of going through Experience like we are today is just it really brings that perspective that you need to really appreciate your life going forward and I think that's a really thing. Well these are all truly. I think truly inspirational ways of thinking of the good of our time. It's obviously quite easy in in contrast to talk about the bad right And accept that. Now that we've all said you know it's like oh nothing can possibly be as bad as some of the things that we've seen and you know we are the lucky ones at the end of the day Yeah let's rent a little bit. Let's talk about the The bad side of of being survivor. And I'm actually I'M GONNA go first because You know we're reaching that point in this crisis were just even informal polls all of us now people who have been struck by this disease and we're starting know people who have actually been struck down and so you know today the first person who I would say is a friend Passed away and I mean. She's you know somebody who Asian journalists earnings Maria Mercator. Cbs News longtime producer. And actually head of kind of diversity. Talent sourcing talent strategy for For News Network and A CANCER SURVIVOR. Who obviously was as a result? Probably a bit immuno-compromised And certainly higher risk and you know at eight fifty four She she passed away from from this from covert. But you know the bad part of being a survivor is is you know as we go on we will. We will have more of this. That we will have to count people who we know people who love and feel the burden that sort of guilty of surviving onwards. And you know. We can't do more than mourn and stay strong and keep those who do love even closer to us but I do wonder especially for the generation that is growing up within this generation who I mean among my kids. We've been fortunate enough so we've only I mean a this is something which which is going to hit hard. I think for for the younger people in our In our our cohort and I think that is is heartbreaking. Because it's so hard to explain. Sorry that's sorry my condolences to you. Well yeah it's tall tall of us in this particular community and industry knew her and to her and her family in a broader sense. I mean I think yeah to to all of us who have those conversations you know. It's it's it's GonNa be harder you'll I mean? Obviously that was a heavy one. So sorry about that but yeah. So what's what's what's your your sense of the bad part of surviving. I would say similar things. Will I'd say a few things one is I think an abstract level the notion of surviving sort of almost implies that you're not thriving right so to say that someone is surviving. Means that they're the kind of on the threshold of of living not living it so if that is Kinda like the long-term state than again it seems a little bit impoverished. It's like you're you're you're just keeping ahead nause need to but you're not thriving you're not really kind of like living here fullest potential. So I think that in the abstract to your point I've I've had a number of experiences of my life were. I've lost people who are close to me like what it is but my two best friends in life died So I already talked my friend from Childhood in in college. My best friend from school also passed away So the the the aftermath of that like for the people who were who continue survive like under this almost a sense of calm ahead describe it like guilt burden you know like it's hard process you know there's a sense of grief and then also this guilt over feeling that you were not that your spirit in some sense in that whenever you feel happy than you also feel a sense of guilt as a result of that because you feel like you shouldn't be happy and there's all kinds of like challenging things to deal with. So yeah I know yeah I mean survival I think is just yeah and it sort of a challenging impoverished way to live and I would hope that for all of us you know. It's a period of time that you have to get through but beyond that you'll be able to learn from that experience and apply it in grow and appreciate the things that you have in mind going forward. I think there should be a new reality. Show that you host called empower forget survivor. This is about growing and inspiring just to just to kind of bounce here. So now we're not all like talking with his desire to read like you know like big tomes of Russian novels It will say so. Just on the lighter. Side one of the downsides to being a survivor like in the sense that like I wanna reality show is it. I can't tell you how many times this happens every time. Something bad happens to me like I missed my flight or like my door de arrive in time or like. I lost my luggage. The thing that people always intimate address Mrs like. Oh it's okay you want survivor survivor. You'll figure it out. I'm like him in food related. Give me bad customer service. You'll survive literally Y. U. L. You'll survive. Oh Yeah Oh yeah I get a lot know many of my name. There's I don't thing going on right now. So for for some reason on read it. Does you'll mean and it just consists of people posting my name over and over and over again and just a sort of reading this stuff. Because I hadn't been on red before I'm just like see all these like you'll you'll you'll you'll make your funding me like screw them this. It'd be like you'll be sorry. Yuletide Carol all that kind of stuff and so I decided all right I can either fight it or it can embrace it like okay. I'll go with it so I just posted. You will and then like all these other. You'll see post come and at this point like there's thread on Reddit that has like almost two thousand people posting. Just you'll be blown off then. I tweeted about it. Saying like yeah. There's this weird thing going on. And they're like hundred thousand comet like tweets back. I mean you're saying you'll you'll you'll you going on John Malkovich experience? Where like I'm surrounded by people like yelling you will including myself. If you'll -ception Nice was a eulogy. 'cause I've been back up. Put it off and then whole round of you'll memes Love it I love it. Okay yes so the bad of surviving. I'M GONNA take it a different way. I guess I mean like right and right. Now we're kind of the closest thing that sort of the the inkling of apocalypse of like it's apocalyptic and a lot of ways right like we're you know. This is one of those nightmare scenarios and were in it or managing the best we can but it got me thinking. I'm like I always think about when I see like an apocalyptic movie post up whether it's Zombie plague or whatever I always think like I will never survive this because I have zero kills. You know what I mean I. I'm not a handy person. My handy tools. I I don't know how to start a fire like I like like. Wi Fi is my powerful tool. You know once that's gone I don't know you know I'm I'm terrible at all. It's podcasting skills are gonNA come the apocalypse out here. I'm going to run the most popular Zombie. It'd be podcasts. Somebody positive spots but I always think of. I'm going to be the first to go 'cause I can't because I'm not valuable in any way to the survivors. Just a waste of space. So like I just I that that. That's the part. Actually that's I'm most in fear of in terms of an apocalypse is like I will never survive the the comfort like without the comforts of our contemporary modern life. You know so. I don't want to interrupt but listen to this resonates with me. I don't like I'm a total fan of legs Zombie movies. I don't know why like post-holiday movies. Like all meant to all of them by twenty two years later like one of my favorite movies like World War Z. Like hot stuff and I always imagined myself like what would I do? What would it be in that situation? And and this is kind of weird. But whenever I meet people one Benz through which I always look at them as I would have to be with them. Zombie Parker have with me would be the person make steal backstab me take my food and like shut. The Door. Like being chased by zombies. Because they don't want to let me in and I don't know why but it's getting a little bit creepy now. Because I do this for fun. Wires it kind of creeps me out. I don't feel it if you do the same thing but it's kind of no I have that same scenario. I always it always ends with me. Like I'm dead provide if you don't mind I don't want to subvert the format of this thing but I I would love to ask you do you like so. Why don't we do you? How do you think you would be Zombie Apocalypse? Would you be the kind of person that you would want? And would I be someone that you'd want in Zombie Apocalypse? And like when we kind of go around and just couldn't tell each other like at present recruit you in an instant harvest because because because we've actually seen you'll in like a game theory scenario already. You know what I mean like so In a situation like that like I would die. You'll one hundred percent on my team. I don't know if you You know almost like a like an offensive question. What it does is it sort of like you know if you were not somebody who we would. We would instantly want close at hand during a Zombie Apocalypse. I can only imagine like how to Phil's point how miserably useless would be like if there was some sort of draft picks or something Zombie Apocalypse. Right if you'll were not picked we would be like spare protein or something so that all said I think I'd probably I'd probably last a while. You know in at format if only because i i feel like i've i've a sense of i'm not far from tuesday proper but similarly like you say you'll you sort of like assess whether or not somebody might be potentially useful for team you'll in the end time I tend to kind of like you know. Make some decisions based on. Hey what if things go sideways in even like where I live in Los Angeles You know part of the reason. Why I I like the neighborhood? Ran is because it feels like a place that could be you know that it feels like a safe place a comfortable place to have kids especially right And I've got no my neighbors and they all seem like you know again. Great people to have on your side in case Massive unrest slash. You know breakdown of civilization occurs that sort of thing kind of you know kind of thanking my my decision right now for that just because this is hopeless it's going to get to that scenario But yeah you know it's like I think I'm conscious enough of the worst case scenario for a lot of things that I'm I'm trying my best to be aware and resourceful where necessary resources her documentary back up. You know and and be conscious of what could happen if things go wrong how you feel but we. I'm not just talking about like how useful you possible temperament and character right. She's like you might be with somebody who's like amazing like killing the zombies but if the guy's an asshole you wanna be like hanging around him especially they're going to be like the Alpha Dog and like beat you down every day and like Makita slave right so like one of the things about you know again like this kind of goes back to the theme of surviving like there's something about putting yourself in a very difficult situation that really makes you take a hard look at yourself and so you know. There have been a number of experiences survivors. One of them. But the others where I felt like under so much pressure that you don't have any excuses it's like the the stories you tell yourself the way. He portrays all that kind of breaks down. And when when when things get really hard it really forces you to see yourself for who you are and you get a better sense of what how you respond to those type situations. Come talking more along those lines. If you were in a really hard situation it was a matter of life and death like. Would you be the kind of person that you would want there with you? You know unlike how. How do you think you'd smart stuff like that? I think I think I would rise to the challenge. I but I like I said before in terms of actual basic survival skills zero. I think I would be A. I think it would be a great person. That'd be very affirming and You know I. I think I would have that Sense of of you know like rising to a challenge but I always think but I always think about like. I don't know how to swing an axe man. That's obviously sticking hypothetical. Okay say okay. You have a safe. We're safe apartment. It's like barricade autumn stuff. I go on a run to get food right. Okay so I leave the safety of nest and then suddenly you hear me going to open the door on my ass. The Doorman GonNa let me. You'll you'll I would. I would let you in man root for you No I I would. I would definitely let you in and We'd we'd I'd figure out a way to Figure out a way to to knock that Zombie offer offer but but then since you've been bitten back that's next question like How long will it be before all right? This is this is where we're we're we're sort of wandering off into territory. Where the trolley problem that we live in already is group but okay. So let's let's go round and Do the last round and Again we want clean up with you. You'll so I'm going to ask Phil to come up with your devotee F- around surviving and being a survivor and then I'll go and then you'll we'll have you Lock and load. This is kind of the same ballpark of what? We're talking about But watching survivor again in watching sort of how everybody plays and from the physical challenges to also the sort of strategic mind you have to have I always think like I I would I would. I don't think it'd be very do very well on survivor. Just most aspects of it. No the discomfort but honestly the strategy part of it. I'm not very good at that kind of kind of play. Honestly like deceiving people forming alliances and like trying to like Guess what people's moves are like. I'm not a great chess player. You know in that respect so I always say I wouldn't do very well survivor but it leads me to think the question the WTO is like well. What reality show. Would I do well at Org game show or reality show would do well on And what would I have a fighting chance of being on you know the only one I can think of is something like The amazing race I'd have to have like a really great partner. And then it's either that or like some sort of Trivia competition which only they only ask questions about like eighties nineties. Pop puck culture. And that's it. How do you think you do on Amazing Race? With Jeff. Just kill each other or would you guys kill it. I think I do I do okay. I think we would do. I don't know like I think we do all right. Actually not none of the thing about it. I'll I'll say it right here if anybody's recruiting for a post Post Cova Amazing race or something where we want to run an end. Ninety five masks like a I mean. I think actually do pretty well. I I think a lot of it unless we look even survivors. Actually they. They emphasize a physical in some ways. Just you know from the The abstraction of it right but it feels to me like a lot of the most successful players are people who are are able to problem solve obviously and who have the ability to negotiate complicated human dynamics amazing race similarly except that you know it's much more about your dynamics with one other person and you know again problem solving on the fly while you're going kind of station station I think we'd be pretty good that. Yeah I think I could handle the problem solving. And sorta that on the fly thinking. It's actually the the within group dynamics of like navigating navigating that stuff which I don't think I'd be very good. That's why survivors out for me. well we will have again if any was out the recruiting fillon. I would will head out for the next season. So you guys would like get on each other's nerves you guys get along in handle stress won't together inevitably when you're with somebody in those high stress situations. Maybe I would break but I I actually I am. I think we'd get along actually pretty well in that. Yeah I I wouldn't be concerned about that part. I do wonder though whether or not we kind of have so much. The same sort of overlapping skill sets and knowledge areas. That it'd be sort of like damn we pass the eighties and nineties Trivia thing. Now what else like? It's all it's all got ano- we'll see all right so I'll take a different twist on The W cf and that's So I actually texted Phil about this right before the The podcast I'm now. Starting to encounter the phase of two weeks in the face of this where whatever atavistic instincts of survival from my like wartime parents immigrant parents or setting in and I I encountered this opportunity to biscuit. Buy like a three by four cube of me. Like fifty pounds of needs for directly from wholesalers courtesy of a friend of mine. Who runs a restaurant? And you know these guys are like all the stuff we have to sell it and they're you know it's kind of a great deal and I'm like I'm down for killing that cow so you know we. We actually got a another refrigerator. Because we're going to do some you know before all this happened we're GONNA do some remodeling and so I reached out to talk like a still So know I know somebody who's WHO's selling like basically a room of meat. Are you interested in getting sick and creon thing to do man? We always fridge. Kimchi exactly. Yeah you know look you do what you gotta do. Right and I will say that you know. Asians have always been really good about ensuring that there's for backup space and good. Storage storage is key to survival. In general so yeah you know it's like I think we are kind of getting to the point. I mean I don't WanNA obviously be a hoarder of any sort but I've got a teenage boy and a soon-to-be teenage boy in the House who the throughput is incredible. Like just chewed. We're going through like COSCO orders. You know all the stuff we we'd kind of set you know brought in to to vault for the longest was going to go is pretty much like boom. They're big bear. Spots inventory and deliver services are getting less and less reliable. So yeah I'm I'm starting to think it's like do we start? Actually you know kind of like packing for the apocalypse now WTI F. It's more of a w t f about the fact that this is happening and also that I'm kind of like starting to mentally adjust to that as a reality if philly pack on my my kids had done to your house man. Beat we'll put you in a roof fourteen days but all right so here. We are bitter. It is you'll sir so WTO all right. So I'll just give you a W T.F. Question that's maybe kind of because I don't even know what I say but there's this one again what reason. I often kind of put myself in these scenarios okay. So here's here's here's a hypothetical right. If you we're GONNA be stuck on a desert island for the rest of your life with no hope of getting saved. Now you wouldn't be in fear of dying. There's enough abundant resources to make sure that you'll probably and you had to pick one person to be there with you. Who WOULD IT BE? It's actually a little bit more of a nuance question than you would think. Right because your spouse all right well I'll give you my answer. I would not bring my spouse because no absolutely not wife why would I consign her to a life stuck on a desert island plus I'd be depriving my kids. Their mother right lost their would've lost their father right right so I mean it's it's the simple answers of course like my wife wherever love but if you really think about it you're essentially like like it's like the worst thing you could do to a person right. Essentially like banishing them onto a desert island for the rest of their lives with no hope of being safe Yeah that's interesting. Yeah no I thought about this. I can't come to good answer. If you have one for example what are you doing for the rest of your rework and silly on this island? You're got to pick one person. And then you have. It chose mini talk. I told you I'm useless. I'm listening well. I you know so one thing. That's a you said earlier when we were just you know in advance of of of certain episode In our green were green room as You know that actually strikes me now so you know. I wonder how much you know being on an island like that like literally having to kind of survive in that that MoD forces you to sort of switch gears anyway right like anybody. You might not be the same person that you think they are once. They're in that mode and something that you said that you're using it got stuck on an island for the rest of the X. Men were stuck here together but one of the things that I think makes such a good player Besides the fact that you know obviously smart fits capable all that stuff. Strategic is my says that in a crisis situation you go into another gear. You actually kind of become more calm and together and a part of what supports that is the thing you said about. How like in normal life? You know you you said that you have some you know like you grind teeth and you know you have like anxiety issues in sleep and so forth but like when you're on the island. He said those things go way right. Yeah Yeah so one thing. That was really interesting is Most of my life I've Have Brexit my grand my teeth at night and a hat migraines is something that runs in my family but they're often very kind of like causal like I if I grind my teeth. I'll usually wake up like ninety percent of the time with a migraine and so one of the things that I absolutely dependent on. It's Kinda like my safety. Blanket is a night guard so I wear Corduroy night so that it prevents me from grinding. And if I don't have my card I will again. Ninety percent wake up with migraine. The first one survivor like I you know I caught doctors. No no admitted said. Hey I need to bring my night guard. It's medical thing they're like no you can't bring it like no no no. I really need it like if I if I don't my card. I'M GOING TO CHEW UP MY TOM. Migraines every day and I won't be able to play like no. You can't bring it so when it went on the island. I was totally freaked out because I was so sure I was gonNA get Migraines The funny thing is as soon as I got there literally the first night I start sleeping there. I didn't grab my teeth. Didn't have any migraines and the weird thing is the day I came back that night. I started grinding my teeth migrant again so you know like for the last thirteen years. I've been like okay. That was just kind of a weird thing that fluke and then when it went back this time I was wondering. I wonder if that's going to happen again and I thought that's not going to happen. It was priced some kind of a one off. The weird thing is exact. Same thing happened as soon as I got there. I stopped grinding. Stop having Migraines as soon as I came back men everyday I was getting his planning migrants. Now it's like what the Hell is going on so I try. I don't know exactly what happened but I do think there are. A number of factors came into play like one of them. I think is when you were on an island with no like artificial light. You go to sleep. When the sun goes down you wake up. This comes out so your sleep. Rhythms are perfectly aligned with their circadian rhythm right so I think that that helps and you're getting enough sleep. I think another thing is when you're out there. You're not eating much on when you're eating stuff. United in a lot of processed foods like everything is like pretty like basic natural food. Where's here there's so much like artificial processed food that I think it's also probably not great for your natural health. I think there's also something about you know when you're stuck on the island. You're stressed out like there's a lot of physical stressors in your violent like you're hungry you're cold you'd eat shelter all that stuff but it's a different type of stress in the encounter in modern everyday life right so out in the wild. If you're stressed out there's usually something concrete you can do about it like in a sense. We almost we evolved to deal with these stressors right. Overlake Millennia. Like our species evolved to deal with these basic stressors environment. Like you know like danger or lack of food we have to forward. You have to let bill fire all that kind of stuff. In modern life you're the number of stressors. Multiply these intangible Amorphous stressors that you can't concretely. Do anything about in the short term right so like financial stress or work stress or like identity stress. What am I doing with my life all that kind of stuff and I think it's exacerbated some cases by you know Kinda misuse of technology like I think technology has been this amazing kind of enabler like we're now. He do so many more things than living better comfort and higher standard of living than any of her forebears at the same time. It's multiplied the amount of kind of stimuli. That's exposed to you. Twenty four hours a day right and when you're out there when the most profound exprienced ahead was. I had nothing to do like I literally just sat there like you know like a long period of time and ahead this weird like it was not like an auto body experience. But it's like you know in my normal life A. I. Balkanized my attention across so many different things right. Even though like I'm talking to like one person or my kid in the back of my mind I'm thinking about that email. I need to get off a work. I'm thinking about this other thing. That kind of came in like their million things. I'm trying to multitask at once. When I was out there it was just me and I. It almost kind of felt like I was meeting all the bits of myself that had disappeared for a while K. We're all here together. We're all in the same skull and I felt a sense of like wholeness that I hadn't felt like thirteen years since the last time I'd been back on and since I've come back so quickly I got overwhelmed with like all the different things that have to deal with and so I think there's something about that I think there's something about living in nature and even though it is hard and you're just surviving in some ways that sort of the environment that we all deal with and in many ways I feel like we're male adapted to our current modern society. Wow Wow it's like thorough man. It's like a seriously survivor. Winner and philosopher. Well I think we. May you know if we do not watch ourselves. Finder sells very much In a situation where we have to appreciate that comments on So thank you for leaving us with that. As we prepare for a world in which civilization the longer no longer provides many of these comforts. Maybe my migrants will go away. When these I'LL BE APOCALYPSE ASSES WE'LL HUDDLE OVER AT HOUSE JEFF? And then we'll be in the shoes of meat in your dad about takes us to the end of this episode. You'll Klein thank you so much. Man It's R- it's really great to hang out with you. Yeah man it's been pleasure. It's it's great to catch up with the guys like both of you. Keep alive respect for so long. And you've both been such vocal advocates voices especially for the Asian American community. Like I really appreciate the work done. And it's been honored and pleasure to On your chest. Where can people find you online and also please shut up the whatever links we can't for the effort Again? We were running the campaign. I gotTa say we were really fearful that we were trying to launch a fundraiser. In possibly the worst time the past ten years but people having giving Inside just incredibly grateful if you want to donate go to www L. S. A. Dot. Org Ellis Association website so www dot a. l. s. dot org slash survivor. 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224: Mastering the Market Cycle - New Book by Howard Marks

Money For the Rest of Us

31:57 min | 2 years ago

224: Mastering the Market Cycle - New Book by Howard Marks

"Walk the money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance, show money, how it works, how to invest in how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host. David Stein today is upset to twenty four. It's titled mastering the market cycle and that title is title of a brand new book by Howard marks the investor. He's the co, founder of oaktree capital. The book came out today, October second twenty eighteen. I downloaded it on my kindle, read it in one setting, and I want to share some of the principles that I learned from the book. Howard marks is one of my virtual investment mentors. I have followed his work for years at my former investment advisory firm. I invested number my clients, my college endowment clients in oak trees. Dressed debt funds. I have visited there shop on site in southern California. Howard marks has spoken at my firm's client conference in the past. I've met him once, but he doesn't know who I am, but we can still learn from investors like them. And I want to share some of the important insights that garnered from the book because it very much is in line with how I invest in how I have invested for several decades now to kick it off. There was an article last week by Jason Zweig in the Wall Street Journal, and it talked about how the dumb money doesn't money is, is us individual retail investors as opposed to that, that's that's the term the smart money, hedge funds, supposedly institutional investors. That's from the apply to us the individual investors. I don't think sometimes it's true. Sometimes it's not. In this particular article, Jason is why pointing out that the retail money has been moving. From US stocks to non US stocks for a number of years. Now he points out that over the past ten years. As US stocks hugely outperformed. That investors took thirty four billion dollars out of US fund and added a trillion dollars to international now. I'm sure there's some institutional funds or investors in that, but it has not been a winning move in the article. They point out some data compiled or shared by an institutional investment firm named AJ. Oh, and I, I'll linked to this really cool document. They must do it monthly, but they show the returns of number of. Investment indices over very long time periods. And the data shows through October thirty first s. and p. five hundred. A measure of yes. Large company stocks outperformed international stocks as measured by the MCI world ex US index over the one three five ten fifteen twenty twenty-five thirty thirty five forty and forty five year period. Can you imagine that over all those periods. Now, if you've listened to the show, you know that performance. Is very n period sensitive. There have been lengthy times where international stocks have outperformed. US stocks. They did. So for the ten years ending December nineteen, Eighty-six international stocks outperform the US by six point, two percentage points. And they did so for the ten years ending December two thousand seven. The outperformed by an annualized average of three point, one percentage points, but they haven't recently. And it's hard to say when that trend will reverse. But after I shared share the article on Twitter, I sometimes get on Twitter at JD Stein. And Matthew tweeted back to me replied and said, but the fundamentals are strong. Why do you think demand will fall or there will be a sudden credit squeeze. Actually don't. I don't. I don't think there'll be a sudden shift, I don't know, and that's gets to the point of investing. In market cycles and being aware. As Mark says of the markets temperature, where are we in the cycle? I agree fundamentals are strong. US corporate earnings growth is up nineteen percent over the past twelve months analysts expected to increase corporate earnings to increase thirteen percent. The October ISM manufacturing PM. My index came in at fifty nine point eight just down slightly from its fourteenth month high. US GDP has grown fourteen point four point. I'm sorry. US GDP gross domestic product measure of economic output. Grew at four point, two percent annual rate. In the second quarter. Can you even if I mentioned was fourteen percent? No, four, four point, two percent. Major economic firms like capital economics expect third quarter GDP to come in at three percent. Why shouldn't we be overweight US stocks based on that data. Before I answer that question, let me share a little bit from this week sponsor linked in. I spent a lot of time on linked in I connect with other professionals. I go through the news feed, see who is posting what. And if I was going to add to my team, I post a job on linked in many professionals. They don't. They don't look at job boards but seventy percent of the US workforce is already on linked in Lincoln jobs matches people to your role based on more of who they really are there skills interests and even how open they are to new opportunity. No way your job gets seen by more of the right people you can reach them on linked in its why businesses rate linked in forty percent higher than job boards at delivering quality candidates, hurry to linked in dot com, slash David and get fifty dollars off your first job post that's linked in dot com. Slash David. For fifty dollars off your first job post linked in dot com. Slash David terms and conditions apply. Before we answer whether we should or should not be significantly overweight US stocks, we need to look at investing in cycles and we, I last cover this topic in episode. One seventy three was titled should you messed based on cycles? An-an-a-and episode. It quoted extensively. From Howard marks in his latest book mastering the market cycle. He writes, there are three ingredients for success investing success, aggressiveness timing and skill. And if you have enough aggressiveness at the right time, he don't need much skill and then he digs deeper into those ingredients. He really goes through how to invest any points out that positioning and selection are the two main tools in portfolio management and by positioning. He's talking about cycle positioning he describes as the process of deciding on the risk posture of your portfolio in response to your judgments regarding the principal cycles and cycles are patterns. He is a check. After we talked about the economic cycle, the prophet cycle in terms of corporate profits, which right now we're not upside of very strong corporate profit growth, the credit cycle, how willing are banks to lend and just the ability of companies to issue bonds in the bond market. You can often judge where we are in the credit cycle by the incremental yield that you get for investing. In bonds above risk-free, US treasuries. In fact have doesn't episodes ago. He talked about Bank loans, the ability of companies issue loans, then syndicated in the marketplace to very strong appetite for credit risk right now. Other cycles are the real estate cycle. And one of the most important cycles when it comes to psycho positioning is investor psychology. Their attitudes are level of fear ingred and where we are in the cycle, all these cycles economic cycle that corporate profit cycle, it arises from human psychology and behaviors decisions that we make as individuals, whether we're going to buy more, we're going to borrow more those influence. The cycles. If if we were autumn Atanas completely rational. And markets were extremely efficient. We wouldn't have cycles because everything would just move like clockwork. But because households and businesses overreact to get overly fearful, they get overly zealous that leads to cycles. And so we have cycle positioning and, and we have to decide. How aggressive or defensive we want to be and he describes that's the that's the main positioning when it comes to cycles, he writes the choice between aggressiveness and defensiveness is the principal dimension in which investors position portfolios. In response to where they think they stand in the cycles and what that implies for future market developments. In other words, increasing and decreasing increasing and decreasing exposure to market. So by aggressiveness, he defines it as you increase risk, your risk more of your capital, you hold lower quality assets. You make investments that are more reliant on favorable macro outcomes. Perhaps you employ financial leverage defensiveness, you would reduce risk, you invest less capital. Hold more cash emphasize safer assets by things that can be that can do relatively well even in the absence of prosperity and you shun leverage. So that's the first step that I will the positioning and whether to be aggressive. Or defensive. The second tool then is asset selection. He describes that as the process of deciding which markets market niches or nieces and specific securities are assets to overweight and underweight. How do you implement your views based on where we are. In the cycle. Particularly now we, we can implement our positioning. On the cycle, we could do it passively. Through index funds and eat? Yes. And that's primarily how I implement my investment decisions and it's what a share. Money for the rest of us. Plus we look at where we are in the cycle in the motto portfolios and my, my particular, my personal portfolio. We. Take a positioning and we implemented primarily through passive investing. But isn't the only way to do it. You can have a view on an asset, intrinsic value. What is it worth? What does it present value of that future dividend stream or cash flow from that asset. You calculate that and you compare that intrinsic value to the price. And if that. Particular acid is priced less than the intrinsic value. Then you potentially by it. He writes marks the key prerequisite for superior performance. In this regard is above average insight into the assets, intrinsic value, the likely future changes in that value and the relationship between it's traffic value and its current market price. All investors who follow a given acid or should have opinions regarding should or should all investors who follow a given asset have our should have opinions regarding it's traffic value. The market price of the asset reflects the consensus of those opinions. Meaning investors collectively have set the price. That's where buyers and sellers agree to transact the buyers by because they think it's a smart investment at the current price and the sellers sell because they think it's fully priced or overprice. There. And he goes on and ask, what about the accuracy of those us? And he talks about the theoretical side of it, the efficient market hypothesis. He writes states at all valuable information is incorporated. Into those prices efficiently. That the price is equal the intrinsic value all the time. If you're an active investor actively selecting specific securities, that cannot be your view. Now, when we look at it from a logical standpoint. What we're saying is if the price is set by all investors. Then we have to soon that there's investors are wrong for going to buy that specific asset. The average, the average he points out. And so we have to be above average by thinking everybody else's wrong. What's her informational edge. And then he points out the empirical side of it. Performance shows studies few very few investors consistently outperform. The market. But that's kind of where we are when it comes to making how to invest you position it based on cycles. You decide where we are and then decide how aggressive or defensive. We want to be in once we make that decision that we have to decide how to implement that implemented passively. Or implemented actively using the skill to figure out which assets are. Priced implemented that way. Now not every investment I make pass if I had some active investments including in today's sponsor. See note, see note is an impact investment, which means the goal is to generate a social and environmental impact alongside that financial return iron up to two and a half percent annually on my investment, and I get quarterly liquidity. There's no fees, minimums earnings caps. No invest every dollar in a diversified portfolio of top performing community lenders. And those lenders take those funds and lend them to not for profit schools and small businesses, including individuals like Maryland, you who used funds. She barred from CDC's small business finance to that's a c note partner do used to buy a building on Bryant street in San Francisco to open a co working space. So these investments by see note in these top performing community lenders. Those lenders have never lost a single investor dollar ever, but you need to realize that this is not a risk free investment. It's not fully insured or FDIC eligible. So there's a trade off. It get the two and a half percent return, but there's some risk, but it's a higher yield than I can get on a Bank CD and I get the satisfaction of helping to build a more inclusive economy. He'd like to learn more about. See note and open to count, takes less than five minutes to sign up. Go to my see note dot com slash David. That's my c note m. y. c. an OT dot com slash David. Marks points out that with investing. There's an element of skill and luck skill he describes as the ability to make these decisions these positioning decisions regarding cycles, the asset selection decisions the due. So that generally are unbalanced, correct. Other, not in every case and do so with a repeatable intellectual process and on the basis of reasonable assumptions regarding the future. That's I believe I have investment skill. I do not have the skill to identify securities that are miss price in terms of the market price relative to to the value exception would be closed. End funds plus funds are like mutual funds. They trade on an exchange there, primarily owned by individual investors. Is these individuals panic. Tickly during times of fear and the net asset value that Trinidad value you can see as planned day differs from the market price that I can do, but to purchase an individual stock. And I believe that Amazon or some other company is miss priced. I can't do that. But I have invested professionally in a way where I've identified market cycles and positioned accordingly been willing to be more aggressive during times when other investors revere ful or were there. I felt like an asset class was to cheap that investors had had overreacted, and I've been able to pull back risk when investors are overly zealous. But still there's an element of luck. That's what happens when even though you have reasonable assumptions that thinks just don't go your way that things don't happen as they're expected to happen, particularly in the timing. Over the long term. He says, and luck is the wildcard. It can make good decisions fail and bad ones succeed. But mostly in the short run in the long run, it's reasonable to expect skill to win out, but he admits it's hard. It's hard to be an investor. It takes practice, take decades of practice. What why we start small and you kind of have to pick your spots. I'd rather spend my time researching cycles. Where are we? What are market conditions today. And that's what we do money for the rest of us plus, which by the way is now open for for new members. So you can go to money for the rest of us dot com and learn more about that. The other thing he points out and his examples that he gives an his book. They're all extreme environments talks about the nifty fifty in the early seventies and late sixties, the internet bubble, where where I was investing during that time, the financial crisis or after the internet, bubble the opportunities that were there in two thousand two and two thousand three. The high risk going into the financial crisis and opportunity. Afterwards. He says, we want to get the market's tendency on our side. We don't know hap- -solutely what's going to happen. But he right. If you invest when the market's tendency is biased toward favorable, you'll have the wind at your back. And an example. He gives us during the financial crisis, two thousand eight. They were buying. After October two thousand eight when Lehman went bankrupt, they invest in distressed debt, which in some ways is easier than stocks because with distress debt, you're buying bonds that defaulted, they're selling for twenty five thirty cents on the dollar, maybe forty cents, and it's negotiation process to get together that credit community credit committee and they negotiate terms. Usually perhaps a bankruptcy judge in place. And the idea is that you'll get you by twenty five cents on the dollar and you get fifty cents on the dollar. It's it's just it takes patience. It takes time. They were investing systematic medically. I think they said a half, five hundred billion dollars a week. He says, you can't catch a falling knife because you never know where the bottom is. And investors that say, you can't catch a falling knife into trying to wait for the bottom. He says, often by the time, the bottom is there and things look clear. You don't find the bargains anymore. Now as an individual investor, you have the advantage because you're not trying to put together, put five hundred million dollars to work. You can be patient. But when I invested with. Oaktree capital in December two thousand eight. They run the van guard convertible. Bond fund. And I was actually, I pulled up the trade to see. I let me find that I bought that fun. December eleventh. Two thousand eight, but forty thousand dollars to work. The vanguard convertible. Securities fund v. c. v. s. x. I didn't know whether the bottom was there or not. Turn down. The bottom was in November twenty. First, two thousand eight. The fund was selling. So it had fallen twenty nine percent or thirty five percent from August twenty ninth two thousand eight. So it fallen thirty, five percent its lowest on November twenty. First two thousand eight eight dollars and thirty five cents. Looks like I bought at about eight dollars and ninety eight cents, but I didn't know you just don't know. I was incrementally putting money to work in my personal portfolio. As things were falling apart. Now waited to to. To really March till you started to see evidence within PM. These business survey's done around the world to see that things were starting to change a little bit, but you can't move completely out all at once and you can't move completely in all at once. You had to be an incremental list. You're trying to have the market tendency on your side, but that's what positioning for market cycles is. It's easier to do during his extreme advance like we saw in two thousand eight, but that those at tussle the hardest to do because that's where it takes the most fortitude. And that's why you kind of have to be gradual. In your approach. So I bought this convertible bond fund. I sold half in March twenty ten are sorry. Made twenty ten and the other half August fourth twenty. Eleven twenty three thousand dollars or fifty eight percent. But that was just one investment and I didn't know you. You can't. No. He says, when a market is cascading, dour investors can often be heard to say, we're not going to catch a falling knife. In other words, that trend is downward, and there's no way to know when it will stop. So why should we buy before? We're sure. The bottom has been reached, but I think they're really saying is we're scared in particular buying before the decline has stopped and thus of looking bad. So we're going to wait until the bottom has been reached. The dust has settled and the uncertainty has been resolved. You can't and some fairest to by early spot emerging markets, three weeks early in two thousand eight. We bought some US stocks early in two thousand eight in our institutional portfolios, and it was embarrassing, but that's part of investing because we can't. We make inferences about what's happening. We try to get in line with the market tendencies. We try to have reasonable assumptions. And then we invest. And so in answering Matthews question regarding the US. The US economy is doing very well. Corporate profits are doing why they've been. They have the wind to their back because of the tax cut. But the valuations are very, very high. That article by Jason swag made mention that US stock market valuations are as high as they been have been relative to other asset classes or other stock markets. Here's the quote, compared with the rest of the world. US stocks are at their highest valuations on record according to Bank of America Merrill Lynch trading for twice as much as measured by price to net worth as institutional or as international shares. Now's a Wii points out the rest of the world's markets or less dominated on average by technology stocks in the US and more focussed on cheaper, industrial and financial stocks. Zag was quoting Toby Thompson, he's multiasset portfolio manager, t Rowe price. Toby says the price of such stocks outside the US are lot more compelling. Now recognize technology stocks have faster earnings, so they're always going to be more highly valued than financial stocks. But the US stock market is more expensive than non US and we have to and we talked about this if you have to go. They look out ten years, and that's one of the things that he he talks about marks talks about in his book. And so how do we decide. This positioning. Decide how aggressive or defensive to be because we have this risk of losing money, but we also have the risk of missing Atlanta balance. These two risk. And so he says, try to travel into the future and look back in twenty twenty three. Do you think you're more like likely to say back in two thousand eighteen? I wish I had been more aggressive. Or back in two thousand eighteen. I wish I had been more defensive in two thousand eighteen. I miss the chance of a lifetime to buy XYZ. I don't know of many chances in lifetimes right now, we are not at an extreme in terms of opportunity. We're not necessarily at extreme and terms of risk either it kind of play the probabilities. There's only one outcome only one thing's going to happen, but there's a range of potential things that could happen. And right now, I think the market's tendency is because. Valuations for US stocks are very high. I'm willing to invest outside US. It's been a painful trade this year because of the way emerging markets have done, but emerging market economies, even though they're slowing continue to grow faster. Then US stock market. And so that's how that's how I'm position. But we don't know. I think from the credit cycle standpoint, we're getting toward the end of the credit cycle when will recession hit. I don't know. That's why we monitor PM data. But you're not getting compensated in terms of additional yield for non investment grade bonds like you were. In even twenty sixteen much higher compensation. Now it's much less. So that's episode to twenty four a great book by Howard marks encourage you to go out and buy it, learn from it, learn about market cycles and become a better investor by doing so show nuts, her money for the rest of us dot com. While you're there, please sign up for my free insider's guide and I'll Email those links to you each week along with other valuable content that's money for the rest of us dot com. Are you there check out money for the rest of us plus learn about our community where we spend our time evaluating where we are in the market cycle and how we position, which asset classes that's the money for the rest of us dot com. Everything I've shared with you in this episode has been for general education and not considered your specific risks situation. I have not provided investment advice, simply general education money investing in the economy. Have a great week.

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Why Negative Prices Exist and What They Can Teach Us

Money For the Rest of Us

27:58 min | 1 year ago

Why Negative Prices Exist and What They Can Teach Us

"Walk in the money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance. Show on money how it works. How to invest it and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host David Stein. Today's episode to ninety six its title. Why do negative prices exist last week? The price of the May twenty twenty West Texas intermediate crude oil futures contract known as WTI fell to as low as negative thirty seven dollars per contract that means the holder who was long oil was willing to pay to exit the contract. Cnbc markets reporter. Pippa Stevens wrote on Monday for the first time on record west Texas intermediate the US oil benchmark plunged below zero and into negative territory before Monday. Many thought this was impossible. Maybe just maybe it could drop to zero effectively erasing. All value but negative territory seemed unimaginable. Not least because it's hard even to wrap one's mind around it pay someone to take your oil in this episode. We're going to see why oil prices went negative. We'll also look at other examples of negative prices and why they exist and what we can learn from them. The WTI futures contract has a physical settlement which whoever holds the contract when it expires receives a barrel of oil the contract settles in Cushing Oklahoma. That's where that of oil is delivered if he owned the contract. That's where you're going to get your oil or at least arrange for somebody to store it for you. Us crude inventories are near an all time record high. In cushing Oklahoma. Seventy percent of the storage capacity was four as a mid April and a Reuters. Article suggested that most of the available space already leased out. There's nowhere to put that oil. That is being received as part of the future contract settlement. Now the May oil futures contract has since expired and now the June oil futures contract is the front month contract that will expire in the third week of May. Yesterday the June contract fell twenty five percent just under thirteen dollars. They United States oil. Etf USO fell fifteen percent. It has lost eighty three percent year to date leveraged exchange traded funds tied to oil have shut down. They lost all the money products by wisdom tree. Ubs and velocity shares which is owned by Janice. Jim Cramer said there are times in life where people know that there's an instrument that is faulty and they can shoot against that instrument and bury these people there is this financial problem people who are buying the USO that United States oil energy T.F. Bay our financial people. So if you're a real person or you're a large contractor a large player they can wipe out the USO in. I think that's been what's going on. It's not a conspiracy. It's a reality when you have an organization that can't take delivery. Well you should crushed that organization every time and that's what probably happened. Who are these people that are getting crushed that own USO? Well some of them are retail investors. But most are institutional investors John Highland. He's now retired but he was the former investment officer of the United States Commodity Fund which manages USO. He pointed out that eighty percent of USOC shares are held by non retail investors hedge funds include energy trading desk and other professional players the purpose of this ETF was to allow investors to get exposure to the front month contract of oil at the end of twenty nine thousand nine. It had one point. Two billion dollars under management and the vast majority of its investment at the end of December was in the February wti crude oil futures contract that expired in January every month this ETF would sell that contract right before it expired. And then by the next contract in order to make money it needed to sell that contract for a higher price than what it paid for it right now when you look at the price of West Texas intermediate crude futures contract or is a steep premium as you go further out for example right now the June contract selling for twelve dollars and ninety three cents. The July contract is forty one percent higher. It eighteen dollars. Twenty six cents. October contract is twenty five dollars as investors. We're trying to invest in oil you. Let's say you want to buy that October contract by October. The price of oil needs to be above twenty five dollars. A barrel not negative. Thirty seven dollars. This situation is called a superpower tango when you have such a steeply rising futures curves where the futures price are in this case. October futures contract is double the June contract and it is the result of a huge supply demand imbalance with the economy being shut down in the US and around the world airlines are running at ninety percent below their capacity. People are working from home. There's less driving going on. The demand for oil has plummeted yet to supply has continued. Uso is trying to do to sort of stem the bleeding is. They announced this week. That over the next three days so yesterday today Tuesday April twenty eighth and Wednesday April. Twenty ninth when this episode is released that they're selling that June contract and they're going to be buying these other contracts with thirty percent will be in the July contract fifteen percent in August fifteen percent in September and then some in later contracts that means they're selling in oil contract for twelve dollars and then buying contracts that are worth eighteen dollars to twenty five dollars or more it's moving away from it stated goal of the ETF detract the short term price or the near term price of oil despite its woes USO. Has Three point. Six billion dollars under management up from one billion dollars at the beginning of the year and that's including eighty three percent loss. Who are all these investors? Well I learned something this week that I never knew that institutional investors hedge funds that want to short an etf they can get an authorized participants that is authorized to create and redeem shares of ETF's behalf of the sponsor to create new shares. That can then be shorted when you short a stock or an ETF you borrow the shares so you have to get the shares from somewhere. And if there's not enough shares then they can be created by an authorized participant. Here's how John Highland former investment officer of the United States Commodities Fund described. This process. He said a Hedge Fund wants to borrow ten million shares too short and it's easier and quicker for Merrill Lynch or whoever to just create them. The shares now belong to Maryl- maryl- will hedge their shares by being short the futures and lend the shares to the Hedge Fund for the Short Highland estimated that ninety percent or more of the short positions in USO involves professional traders so shares created by authorized participants. Such as Merrill Lynch that can be shorted and then Merrill is protected because Uso owns oil futures and Merrill just goes short oil futures so they're not exposed and then the hedge fund is able to short the ETF. It's estimated that fifteen and a half percent of the outstanding shares of Uso are being shorted that process is called create to land activity so they create the in order to lend it out. It's also known as synthetic short. I saw one paper where they described. How a Hedge Fund that wanted to borrow a particular stock too short. There was very difficult to get if a stock is hard to borrow. The cost to borrow can get quite high and so this particular hedge fund they shorted the ATF. A stock ETF that had their particular holding and then they went long or bought all the other stocks in that ETF except for the one they were trying to short to mazing the would do that. But that's a synthetic short. So that's what's going on with. Uso. It's in a very very difficult situation. Because of this. Huge supply demand imbalance that has created the super tango that is causing USO to lose money whenever they roll over the contract because they have to sell when the contract expires because they can't take delivery. The negative price is due to a storage issue. The Need to store what you buy there was a fascinating article this past week by Robin harding in the Financial Times. The title was or was not the only negative price coming to you. And the subtitle is minus. Prices are not uncommon even if they suggest infinite losses and generate horror. This storage problem is one example of a negative price. The Need to store what you buy or some things you just don't want it at all and because it costs money to dispose of it essentially has a negative price. We have bought houses in the past or land farmland whether it was stuff on the property or in the house and we just. We didn't want maybe it had value but we told the owner to sell it. You GotTa get rid of it or we're not gonNA close and from the seller's perspective. Maybe they don't want it and so maybe that item has value but because of the need to dispose of it to get rid of it to move it to transport it it has a negative price another example. That harding points out is electricity. You can't really store like trysofi. Costly and time consuming to shut down a power plant a coal plant or nuclear plant. How do you shut down a solar plant and if there's excess electricity because the sun is shining? There's there's not. There's not the demand. Oftentimes these power generators they. They will pay to get rid of it because of the excess supply and they they gotta get rid of it so they pay somebody to take it. Because it's not nutcase it's not easy to store I ran across recently. We have some solar panels at our cabin utility that we buy from. It's a cooperative. Fall River Electric. They recently changed the way they do. What's known as net metering with our solar panels and most people the on solar panels. Do you have the option? If you're solar panels create more power than you actually need. You can push that excess power onto the grid and get paid for it so instead of being excess power like a powerplant paying me to take it. In this case the utility is paying to take on this power but they've paying seven point four cents per kilowatt a retail price and going back and forth and emails with the director. He pointed out that their wholesale costs three point eight cents so they're paying an excess which means those members that don't have solar panels are essentially subsidizing. People like us that do and the way that Fall River worked is you could bank your excess power. So you've got these credits. At seven point four cents per kilowatt the many which were generated in the summer when there's more sunlight and then you could use those in the winter when you weren't generating enough power and perhaps you're using more power for to heat. Your House. They changed the rules to where you have to use your excess balance every month and it's I I was kind of Sep then going back and forth between the director of the board members secondhand. That makes sense now. I'm actually grateful that they're willing to at least pay. The retail rate director pointed out that nationally. The trend is to reconcile net metering instantaneously. So look at what. The power price is and pay wholesale rates in if there's too much power than not perhaps not bite at all or pay much lower rate but electricity and power is another example of where prices can go negative because there's too much of it and they have to get rid of it. The negative interest rates. Something we discussed an episode to sixty four of this show what happens when interest rates are negative. We discussed a savings glut. There are many people that want to save in a safe manner. Fdic insurance depository insurance for banks. There's a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar limit. If you as an institution wants to hold cash you might be willing to buy a government bond. That has a negative yield. Pay To store your money in something safe. Maybe at some point we'll get to where banks will charge money to store it because there's a cost to storing cash in your house by a safe possibility of theft. It's hard to do very large transactions. Millions of dollars in cash and if there is a greater demand to save bad can lead to negative interest rates like we've seen throughout the world before we continue. Let me pause here and share some words from this sponsors. If your work life is anything like ours. It's been turned upside down recently. Many of us are adjusting to a new world of remote work. My friends at linked in learning are here to help you and your team's not only stay productive at home but also support all of your well being for a limited time. Lincoln learning is offering a wide variety of their most popular online courses for free. You can hear from real world. Experts who share tips about how to cope with stress manager remote team and even look great on video conference calls. There are also plenty of courses for salespeople recruiters small businesses and much more check out the free linked in learning courses and share them with your teams. I'm sure they would appreciate the extra support right now. 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The investors podcast. Stig impressed and been doing this. Show a longtime which is why it is so good. Check out the investors podcast. Robin harding gives another reason for negative prices. Where there's a liability attached to an asset example of contaminated land? The clean up costs of the land means that the entity might pay someone to take this land off them or gave example when BMW sold the British Car Company Rover in the two thousand it provided a dowry of hundreds of millions of pounds to the buyer because of the state of the business because the ongoing cost of the business and the price needed to reflect the future liability or cost related to that. There's other things maybe have values plastic. We recycle recycling things theoretically can have some value but I know weeded for many years and continue to. Do we pay someone to pick up that curbside? Recycling we discussed in up to eight. The biggest market crash is recyclables and one of the challenges with this pandemic and the economic shutdown is the market for recyclables his plummeted. I saw a report that in Malaysia Vietnam and India. Where many of these recycling plants are only about thirty percents? Recycling plants are still operating. And they're running at fifty percent capacity. And then when you look for the uses of much of this plastic it's used in textiles automotive pipe markets Susan Robinson. She's the senior director of sustainability and Policy Waste Management. Said since no one is buying carpenter. Cartwright now these industries are closing down immaterial. Recycling facilities are having a hard time selling and moving some of their bottles and cans as an end-consumer. We're paying somebody to take away this recycling but the recyclers are struggling right now because nobody wants the plastic now. I don't think they're paying people to take the plastic yet but perhaps will get their third where prices could be negative is. There's something that a buyer would typically pay for. But as part of the transaction the seller is getting something else of value from the buyer so the seller's willing to pay the buyer harding gives the example of a bike sharing network where it might pay customers to ride bikes from the suburbs back to the city centre whereas typically the consumer would pay to ride the bike. In this case the bike sharing plan might pay the consumer to ride the bike from the suburbs. Because there's more demand for the bikes in the city centre. The bike rider gets paid to ride the bike. It's like having a negative price. Disposable razors often sent to individuals for free. It costs the company money to send that raise her but they do it because they will benefit in the future as consumers hopefully by replacement blades. Another example is where there's a benefit miss much more complicated one. But I've mentioned before one reason brokers are no longer charging for commissions is they actually get paid to send trades to execution services such as citadel execution services will pay retail brokers like Robin Hood Fidelity and Td Ameritrade descend traits them citadels providing a service but it paying its customers for the privilege of providing the service and the reason why is that as a market maker it can combine orders for greater volume to cover its fixed infrastructure cost and to get a predictable stream of waters to match as a market maker to have liquidity. They provide liquidity. And they're better able to manage their orderbook and generate a profit by being willing to pay retail brokerages for that order flow and the investor gets better execution than they might otherwise. What are some takeaways lessons? We can learn about negative prices. Were I is a recognition that that the price of assets can go negative or least fall sharply if there is too much supply and there is a cost to continuing to hold onto the asset like we saw with oil futures when there's a highly motivated seller that perhaps is leveraged and just wants to get out of their financial commitment one of the questions that we should always ask whenever we're considering buying something is what is the ongoing cost or commitment beyond initial price. Paid I wonder how many individuals have bought houses to rent on AIRBNB and with people not traveling. This houses aren't being as rented as much and there's still a mortgage payment to be made. The prices won't go negative of houses but it certainly will potentially put some downward price pressure. We bought a time share through Mary it many years ago that I've discussed well. There's an ongoing maintenance fee commitment to that and that ongoing commitment is one reason. The resale value on timeshares is quite low. Usually below what the individual paid for it. Many assets have an ongoing maintenance cost a storage cost just mental burden. Sometimes the cost is just knowing we own it and think about it and care for it. There's a cost sometimes. It costs US worth it but take a second home as an example. There's a cost the ongoing maintenance of that second home but the benefit in many cases for some individuals outweighs the cost is the optionality the ability to go and stay there whenever you want when negotiating. We should always consider are there. Are there cost and benefits apart from the price that would influence the price or help us in negotiating? I took a class negotiating class when I first got into the leasing business turns out most of our negotiation with with our own sales reps. But one of the things I remember is sort of all these non-price negotiating items that could be added to additional benefits. That you could negotiate for or are there additional ongoing costs that will allow you to negotiate a lower initial price. The second lesson is the importance of understanding. What you own. What is it. That's the first question in my book. Money for the rest of US. Ten questions to master successful investing. We need to be able to explain. How an investment works the number of users on the Robin Hood App that held views oil? Etf doubled from April seventeen when USO closed at four dollars and twenty one cents to the next Tuesday when it closed at two dollars. An eighty one since thirty-three percent decline. I suspect many of those users thought they were buying a barrel of oil and didn't realize they were buying into a super can tango situation where USO is having to dump front month contracts and then by more expensive later months contracts since that Tuesday when the number of users from robinhood double that own USO USO ETF has fallen another twenty five percent cutting the fifteen percent decline yesterday so it's important to be able to explain in simple terms to a friend or family member. What is it that we owned? How does it work? How does it make money? What's the expected return? What is the risk the potential harm? I go through those questions in my book that help us answer what it is one of the things that I I'm doing on the money for the rest of US website for free is provide guides to help individual investors better understand specific asset classes. I mentioned this last week. There's a new guide on investing in tips and I- shares this week. 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Episode 75: We Call Us Yang

They Call Us Bruce

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Episode 75: We Call Us Yang

"Move Hello and welcome to another edition of they call us. Bruce unfiltered a conversation about what's happening in Asia America. I and I'm Jeff Yang and we are back from another little hiatus. Check in it's you you know these things happen right. We have stuff going on. You've got other stuff going on and then like weeks turned two weeks and more weeks and and here we are but we got a lot to talk about a lot of it. I feel like has to do with like Yang Gang adjacent people. Is that true. This is this week in yea ANA. Yes indeed so I'm going to start. Actually we'll do this in the format of our usual kind of good bad devotee f the good bad jeff if young them. Maybe it's just you and me here today. It is and our intrepid producer nick so yes. When we yeah we can hang onto our unusual art little game roose? Yes the good so we can call it the good the bad and the W. T. F. of gang this week in the end of this weekend. Yang yes and we almost had actually Jenny right. Yes we we did try to blast very last minute jenny our good friend comedian. Jerry Yang but timing didn't really work out so shadow to our show Pal Jenny and tell the lovely we'll get a for a next next the next segment and Yang Yes yes. This should be like an ongoing thing all right well so part of the reason why I and my son Hudson Yang who was on the boat. We'll just get that out of the where the running joke thing are busy is because we actually we we were on TV I mean for that's like normal right for me a little less normal but the reason why it's kind of what was super not normal and that's because we were just on family few yes liberally celebrity value. I am not the celebrity but we yeah we we were on their Steve Harvey Very Gracious. had a lot of fun going up against Sky Jackson of Jesse and bunked lovely lovely lady young lady. I've no idea who that is. You have a young daughter will learn what channel stars like but okay so quick recaptured. We're actually playing for east west players okay right because this is Larry source for charity and we we actually sleet despoilers right. We won ten K. for them. What would we we did okay but but honestly should've one more and this is so the format is family feud. we went through the questions pretty did well we were we were lucky and did well. There are a couple of kind of head shaking moments as you might guess a lot of income from me. One of the questions was you know what is it that Santa experienced that led him to. Never WanNa have children and I was like over thinking and said things like you know wh- or what has Santa Experience in the past rather that led him to never want to have children and I said something like kids teasing his reindeer or eating cookies you know those are two answers and they're both like whatever it was stuff like punching him in the fix. Wow Mall Santa that kind of thing. I think they were thinking Mall Center. I was thinking I was thinking like like the real recent who does exist. I was GONNA say as nineteen year old. We don't want it. We don't WanNa ruin a guy yeah but the the fact is we we won the normal round and then we actually got to you know the the final kind of speed round and this is where like we came so close to winning. I think it would have been twenty five thousand dollars for each players. Yeah we ended up at one hundred eighty. Four points was Hudson and his cousin Laurie and the thing that I I'm going to hold this right. The reason why we didn't get it was because of regional dialect right so so Steve Harvey has like a little bit of a southern accent right little yeah okay I mean you know plays it right yeah and so the the question that Hudson got or the one of the question was things you fill with sand right right but Steve Harvey pronounced press things things you feel with sand yeah right and Hudson's like things you feel with sand so his ass was rocks zero points and a- and if you'd known that it was Phil Not feel then he said he would have said bucket or Pail and that would have totally been fifteen points sort east west players so to me. That's grounds for like quotas. There's money involved actual game. People were playing for money and so was there like a like. Raising issues like a reset like there was a raised. The issue was raised. Okay who let Lori Redo it. She's do the second round because she does second round and but they couldn't do it for Hudson because Hudson had it was too late a- and the reason why they figured out that we we were not getting it we northeasterner Asian. Americans were not getting was because her answer I think was was his toes and thank you phil toes and she's like feel of sand like and then and then like Oh you know give it another chance to fill and so there you have it yeah feel you. I've never heard that we've okay yes so so that we have. You still got some money for he still we got ten K. for easily players and what was the other charity the other charity I don't know what Scott Jackson was due for actually but it was another I mean you know all the charities and being pretty it was like Adam rippon and Terry Bradshaw their families were before US Terry was doing it for. I don't know what he's doing it for. I actually can't remember what Adam Adam run on. was doing it for for glad okay right so anyway. This is okay so this is the longest discussion overhead and he's in my life about family. Few the show family feud have you. You've never been on a game show right. Have No. I HAVE NOT HAVE I know I've not. That's a weird thing to not. No not to not remember we. Is this your first time. He's brought up on the show before on family feud. No not family viewed I. I've been on who wants to be millionaire really yes. Yes I'm not a millionaire but you can look it up yeah yeah. It's actually there's a like a Wiki or something like for fans of who wants to be care. I mean I did. I did pretty well. I'll say that but it wasn't it wasn't enough like that could quit anytime but you know. I see the reason why I was like because I've watched so many many game shows that I always like if I always if I if I always spinning the wheel like put myself in that projected yourself. I I do pretty well the thing I so I mentioned this because I'm going to raise an issue about family feud that I've always hated about that. Show is that you know it's family feud and so you bring you play with the members of your family but nothing but the game play itself has anything to do with your family you could be just put together with a bunch which of radios and then it's all about matching your certain answers to these surveys to the audience what other family members satisfied that that was. Kinda like family component. Where how well do you know that kind of an Asian American show be called extended family and actually about be about a feud with your extended family like porn all the T- on the exactly say I just looked up the winnings damn missile right. I won't say it on air but it's Google go gaining. I'll I'll just say you know I had good life then. It's not surprise me at all that you did well on Jay. It was actually an easier show to do well on than than family feud frankly. If you had look we haven't had talked to Arthur. Chu Do one of these days about his jeopardy jeopardy winnings. Yeah Yeah Yeah Anyway there. Are there are a lot of Asian American game show contestants who have have who have done better than I have in my career game showing Dow was almost someone actually but turns out he was too good. It was a ringer actually all right. Well well good. That was good. That was my and let's talk about what else is good in the world of gang. That's why we have been to this. It's practically the reason why we convened tonight. Yes so last week Saturday Saturday night live announced its new cast members for three new cast members for the for the new season and one of them is comedian and writer Bowen Yang right a He's a mainstay of the New York comedy scene. He's Queer. He's he's kind of famous for these kind of built this cult following these lip sync videos. He does until the end brilliant. You know he's done what a random priestly from from the devil wears Prada. He's this really funny one of Cardi B. Just take the audio from these performances and then just you know just just do a perfect sync up of these of these performances end. It's it's it's hilarious. It's something that he made his own. Yeah and what I think is really amazing about it. Is that when those things went. Viral on twitter is when he kind of became a thing right so he's like kind of one of the he's a he's a twitter created I mean superstar superstar this point. Oh yeah right I mean I mean addition to being being actual comedian doing the scene and and then last selenium Gig as a writer on SNL yes so is also on one like the skits or whatever is like Kim Jong Il Kim Jong position to be to be hoisted up and be featured player on the cast. It was blowing a amongst Asian. Americans was born yeah US position to do well. I I mean there's so much resistance on that showed actually put putting an Asian American right on the cast right. This is a long time so yeah and he actually it turns out. He is the first person of Chinese descent right to be on the cast right there have been there actually have been other Asian American members. Fred is he stars thunders Japanese atrocities. That's CR- episode of I should do you. Who are you like bloodline or someone or not line loveless. It's like who do you. Who Do you think you are. Who you think you're yeah who the hell yeah no that show is It's the one that checks people's People's genealogy and like that show is that he's episode of the trip because roots finding your roots with with a skip gates hairless yeah yeah yeah okay but that one's a trip because his whole life he thought he was he was a quarter Javanese America or something and then and then he found that he was actually Korean but Japanese Korean or Korean court like his his grandfather Korean Japan had had a career career on the stage in Japan had Japanese stage team actually looking into the history. He's actually create this is also during the Occupation Korea. Japan would probably say they're all Japanese. No let's not go crazy story though yeah and then then actually BEF- before Rob Schneider Filipino yeah and has a has acknowledged and embraced that in various ways not not not necessarily somebody these days or you know we're raising the flag hi aggressively claiming but yeah so so nevertheless this is a milestone. Boeing Yang is the first Asian Casper that no one is going to be like oh he he's Asian Asian ladies clearly like like fito typically Asian right and last name Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean. This is kind of the running theme of this episode. At this point or Yang Yeah young passing. I will say speaking of Yang's right. I am Kinda wondering to what degree the the rise the arrival of you will Andrew Yang had anything to do with them deciding to impart anyway kind of like say you know we probably need somebody to play Asian. People roll like regularly now. I joked about twitter. I was like in the year twenty nineteen not that this would have stopped them before honestly because they've had I mean all manner of people playing like Weird Asians but I feel like this is Andrew. Yang thing might be happening enough that they need to address this on on and and have an actual person twenty nineteen of Asian descent playing angry addict. I one hundred percent predict what the sketch gadgets can be. It's GonNa be a game show. Andrea giving out two thousand dollars a month to lucky people whatever we're just kind of what he's doing yeah actually yeah picking ten people to watch the debate. I heard that's what he and and so forth worth. All these things connect connect back. He actually got into trouble for making a joke. I think pretty innocuous joke like some people like saying. It was kind of stereotypical that he said Oh. I'm Asian therefore I know a lot of doctors yeah yeah but I mean he said I mean. He's a whole strain of his campaign is also like Asian. I'm good at math yeah yeah. He's leaned into stereotypes. Yeah you know what I actually find that kind of refreshing on some level because part of part of we joke about it ourselves right part of D- limiting the energy and things is to kind of recover them and turn them into humor instead of into into malice right and and yet I mean these are times when those things can be misused used stereotypes in particular and and language right and the the kind of the bad part right of the arrival of Bone Yang gang is that he wasn't the only one to be named the cast yeah so we we did too good at this is the OBAMAS are bad yeah. Let's go to the bad about yen but we're still going strong. It's an exciting time of Asian Americans. They're there are more movies. TV shows books and music reflecting us than ever but all of these represent just a small slice of Asian American culture experiences. So what do we do. Tell more slices. Asian American is a show that explores these slices of distinctly Asian American culture and history. We've talked about how Chinese Americans built California Sacramento Delta The Art Scene Turns Gallery institution giant robot a play that explores the loss Cambodian pop music of the Sixties and seventies and of course Boba just to name a few stories as you can find Asian American Asian Americana. Dot Com or on your podcast. APP didn't todd proven long I mentioned three there are three new cast members announce one of them bone young and one of them is a guy named Shane Gillis right. I never heard of this guy before ordering but that's that's true for most of the people who get the first timers on. He's a real real quick before we go into that. I feel like it's fair to bring up the third person name is Khloe fine. What the fuck have I got my shot over here bag those like she's probably pretty good at whatever she's she amazing actually honestly just on she has she does impression really good impressions and and I I think actually she kind of became famous on instagram again working calm. I Ha- well well yeah. They always need not great impressionist. Yes another social media kind of rival right. Okay so Shane Gillis thing. I've I've never like whatever okay he he like the second. This is announced someone you know go just goes to his previous work and digs up as I quote unquote digs up. you know this interview this podcast on basically he's own pocket Mike and the secret podcast right he says also stuff. They just dig up. He digs up comments from his own podcast. basically Talking Shit Shit about Chinese people about Chinatown and in calling Chinese people fucking Chinks yes among other things and then as the day goes on the just start taking up all this just trash stuff. He says yes and this I actually think this is where the the the money is right so he's he's kind of one of these comedians. Let's say one of these. White Comedians who feels like comedy is there to excuse essentially running along the edge of insensitivity and offensiveness as a means of I duNno expanding conversation expanding horizons. I mean excuse always is like Oh. We can't do good comedy unless we take risks. That's literally what he said in his so called apology right but the fact is these are the least east risky things to do to mock people collartoo mock women to to make homophobic jokes. There is no risk in that yeah. Literally people been doing that since a third grade but be like time immemorial so there's nothing new. There's nothing risky not even interesting funny about that and yet this guy Shane Gillis us He's done kind of study in this. He he had a he used to have this comedy. Show where people were able to essentially text next things and the texts would appear behind the comic who's performing so there'd be sort of like trash in the comic or or saying saying stuff in the background and that background commentary part of the show and one of the things that they did sort of comment on the commentary right so shame it was like one of the things we realized early on was looking at the things that people found funny based on this right and it's obvious that you can always always Mark Asians. You're never gonNA get hurt you know if you mock Asians or you know Muslim terrorists Muslim extreme extreme you know rat is Islamic radicals but God forbid you say anything about police brutality because no white people don't like that right so he's he's cop out like what that makes white people in these contexts laugh you know and apparently one of those things. Is You know Punching Asians in the face. Look I know what you mean about you. Know Comedians always say you. GotTa take risks and you know this. Is You know this is my ah but I feel like people have always use that as there is little shield right this like Thin Shield I. I'm sorry but communities are not a protected class right. You're allowed to say whatever you want but that doesn't allow you to say what you want and then be and then just absolve you of responsibility for that and the thing that bugs me most is that like in the context of a podcast just because you have a pockets that means you could say shit you want in high apparently. Chris you listen to the comments so you know the question. You know like this isn't even an act. This is a comedy sketch. They're not even they're just talking and so you talk shit and I'm like this is not comedy. This is not absolve you of responsibility for saying fucking. Chinks like I'm sorry but this is a fireball offense and I mean he just got hired if someone if you're in a job in a job interview situation and someone dug up this stuff and I'm I say dug up because this happened just this past abusive timber Jimmy Eighteen less right. It's not like he was like ten years ago but if someone dug that up I you know I'd be like forget it. This is not worth this guy. We should hire this guy you know. He says he's just fucked up shit. All I think also will do things one. I think he probably could have gotten away with it. If he didn't delete his entire podcast the minute he got hired like the announcement came out like after after that he completely purged all the archives basically basically look the Internet does not forget all right. I don't care our podcast. This PODCAST GONNA be around if I if I run. I'm not going to present but if I ever have president president you know I'm sure people will pull this podcast and find ways to be offended and stuff. I say you know whatever I there's. There's nothing that's. I don't think there's anything I've said on on this podcast. We're just in general that I regret in the things I do regret. I've profusely reflected on an apologized for and actually I think that Kinda gets to it right so one of the things which which on the Internet I feel like have ended up having to have a lot of conversation around. Is this this question of like. Oh so is this cancel culture quote unquote right. Is this like you you know when when you make a mistake quote unquote. Are you a race from all history and can never actually hold a job again or something like that. I'm like no you know there are absolutely ways in but you can make huge fuck ups and still recover you know and by learning and growing right by by embracing the fact that you made a mistake in meaning sending it and actually performing acts of redress the people who've been harmed but Shane's actual quote apology the only statement. He's is made so far right. I it's not an apology and it's not an apology is not an apology. Basically it's like if anybody has been. I would be glad to apologize hottest. Anybody who's been offended by this basically and then the whole thing about be risky. Whatever I'm like at first. I was like okay this typical shitty you know I Apologize College. If you're hurt apology then read it closely. It's like this is not an say. He apologized for us if he's willing to extend its voucher for Coupon College College Fund. That's what I call it a lesson. I owe you a hug or no good. This is good for one and honestly the Somebody responded to me on twitter when I was like this is a group on so you know what we should actually demand our politics individually to him and see if he he makes good on that offer 'cause he fucking doc and won't yeah yeah. We're we're sorry we'll be starting to sign up sheet apologize. He wants an apology from Shane Gillis or sign up sheet eight in he'll be it's up to him to deliver the each policy one by one honestly if he personally and uniquely apologizes to every person who's been offended who who asked him for an apology then you know what maybe Maybe it's okay to let him go on but no. I'm like no like I I. I just feel yeah. I just think you know you when you actually do listen back to the tape of him. Actually saying it like first of all he did not during like a stand end a bit which is Kinda understandable where you can kinda weave through basically like that's how a lot of stand up comedians operate like Chris Rock. You Know Eddie Murphy all these people you know the comedy grades they navigate through almost like the taboo and stuff like that and that's kind of part of the joy of it however on comedy podcast. That's not the same as I like. Stand up comedy and if you actually just listened to it sounds like you know it just sounds like hate speech on us if it wasn't even if he wasn't a comedian would be even I would. This even be an issue. You'd be like if this is some regular like some regular dudes podcast. You know like it would be an issue like he is an it sounds if you listen to podcasts not just that episode the other one right. It sounds like you know one of your typical right cutoff fringe not fringe to the Nazi type of thing. We're all they're doing is like saying basically you know women any and of course he uses the F word for gay people and you know He. They're like trashing. People who dared have feelings you know other comedians saying. Oh that pussy because he he dares to actually have emotions wherever whatever it's like just typical shitty you know white all righty kind of off right. Yeah yeah nothing new. If this was some other off some are assholes podcast like it wouldn't be up for debate. We'd just dismiss. We'd be like I mean as racist but it's it's. It's it's like but because it's a comedy now to jump through these hoops of like. Oh but like you know is this Catholic culture because they can't say what I want in the name of quote comedy and Good Art Art and all that stuff and it's like fuck you man. That's what do you like. You're not even trying. Honestly it's also it's a comedy podcast and this is on the podcast Catholic. I guess in a lot of ways they call comedy podcast just because we're not sure more to the point though it's it's like the comedy talking like it's a label on itunes. You know like it's it's not like it's not a wet. It's a sign that you hold there and be like you know enter all Yeehoo leg. You know like know what you're going into like. You can cover so much basis on that like I don't know I just feel like I know I know the taxonomy podcasts close to your heart nick mysteriously though it's just it's bs because it's it if it was structured and if you really put thought into it it would be one thing but just listening to him talk about this shit. It's obvious that it's off-the-peg you know the top of his head not in a good way you know well yes and and so this is the the the next beat on that right. I mean in this whole conversation about whether or not he could ever be allowed to move forward. Yeah you know what if you actually make restitution. Honestly he can have a great career. I think that the smart thing to do would have been to apologize to chloe and to to Boeing for basically fucking up this moment for them and then say you know what I'm I'm going to actually suspend or withdraw from contention for this season of Saint Live because it's more important to me to see the show. Don't do well and my fellow comics do well then to kind of bring this cloud right so that leads me to my question like a multi questions one like what does she do from here but also what are they doing now. What are they. What were they vetting. This is betting situation at all like it doesn't seem it seems very really shallow dive into anybody's passed to come up with this stuff right like was there any vetting at all and then the other part and this is a theory that I've seen advanced like maybe that was this was their intention all along like to bring this guy you know but okay but now now now right as far as I know there has not been a single statement right right or single recording as of this recording yeah in which NBC SNL as we kind of address this he has not been fired yet right and I'm sorry like you think about other people who have been held to the wall for prior statements or or even jokes like you know gardens the galaxy all right. I mean you know the what's his name. The Director of Gardens Ah James Gone Gone Got Suicide Squad old tweets Oh nice tweets which were pretty terrible but they were clearly spoken ingest right still still offensive he did apologize them. He and he didn't try to deny them right. He just I said I was like super terrible and then you know so ah yes but he nevertheless got fired and and kicked off and then you know yard. I guess yeah but part of why he was actually fired was huge campaign. Yeah on on the right to say oh. This guy is all these terrible things you know as vindictive active in horrible and and yet and yet when any of this stuff is said or done from the ray they don't gray area. It's not an issue there crickets yeah they they they literally wanted to to score a notch on the belt right and yet here we are you know in day whatever of Gillis Gate Yeah and and crickets right even worse than his statements like like Dole skit. Oh Yeah I mean I think I saw Rebecca Choson. advanced this theory but like it's Kinda Gross Kasan Yeah yeah the Hollywood reporter more guess on there's pockets but she kind of Vir is that like Gillis represents this kind of comic who or this kind of sentiment that's like who doesn't you know doesn't want to bow down to quote political correctness. I mean like if you look at someone like and then he's the polar opposite someone like Boeing Yang Hang who is Asian American the first asian-american bones like politico police but like I hate that phrase made such an issue take a lot of people made assistant issue the fact that there hasn't really been like you know there's been poultry representation of Asian Americans on Saturday night live cast right wing and then and suddenly that now that we've got it like now that bone young is higher like wow this is like a snl sort of caving to to political correctness and let you know or or just like you know demands for diversity inclusion and then but this Guy Shane Gillis kind of represents that that fuck you to peace the legal correctness and like to sort of balance that out and to be like you know the guy who and so here's what happens now if he does get fired if or or if he he's offered rescinded or whatever it stokes this whole other thing right this is on all levels and it sucks sucks because we can't celebrate sort of bone. Yang's you know hiring because it's books and for its worth Boeing is doing we have really good job just like not commenting talking about other stuff which is all good on him. He should not have to have anything to do with this shit which is like interesting because okay again like diving back into the stuff that that Gallison and his his his cohort talked about on this podcast right so that whole notion of like them being the arbiters what is actually funny right you know because of the last the last man N. standing so to speak who are you know willing to stand up the fact that humorless. Sj ws or something are making comedy. Suck they they did this one episode where they had this whole sort of roster or ranking of of comics and basically saying like. Oh you know yes of course straight. Wait wait a minute. The funniest you know black comics pretty funny to you know but then you go down the ladder and then it's like you know you've got you know black comics Alan and then like George Lopez and then you know Indian comics and then at the very bottom and gay comics and then the very bottom is is white white chick comics. That's the phrase they used their the worst etc and the invoked Alley Wall. They said you know what Allie Wong Alley Wong's funny. She's actually making some Asian chick. Comics are actually funnier than white comic on the bottom right and the reason why why you know that kind of curls my my got on some level. Is You know that specific racialist and kind of identity to find shaping of of comex like is them showing their ass. Yeah it is no longer about the individual comics what they do. It's about like fucking racism and saw Janie and homophobia. They're they're putting everybody bucket. They're using identity politics white identity politics to frame the rest of the world and this happens all the time from that perspective where they decry you know what they would call the politics of victimization or marginalization or identity right and then they will use that they'll impose that from the from the top from their vision of privilege yeah yeah you know as like straight white man and CETERA. I mean look you know. Allie Wong is funny as Hell Nakashima Queen Asian chick comic because she is one of the hardest just working smartest and just literally funniest women on the circuit. Everybody will tell you that right and the thing is. She's an Asian woman right. The Asian womanhood does not define comedy but her communist is expansive and is more than capable of representing that as part of her and I think that's kind of like that's really what what college should be about not denominated by entities but you know we we should not neither be ashamed of identities nor should you know in the context of local political correctness quote unquote or not like she does not pull any punches yeah. She marks herself and others. She doesn't such a way that I think it's it's it's both smart and Nankai Shade and surprising and she's very very very rarely. I think coca punches down yeah. She always punches up and more to that. She's funny like you know like it starts from there. She's funny yeah well. I I I feel like with calm like a huge like comedian ban and personally comedy Fan Yep. I've spent stand up comedy but in general but you know that's one of my I guess you know pet peeves of. I really love kind of that. Edgy humor. Ask thing not really like you know of course tosh boy no and all that sophomore so of using comedy as a way to address issues that are kind of like you know that you don't bring up in conversation doing it intelligently and you know one of my favorite comics is Andrew Schultz and he really you know uses that where it's like youth rod the hot take like you know where it's almost like so ludicrous and from the you know you explored that idea but it always comes back centre where it's like you know there's a trust between the mutual understanding between the audience and then also the comedian where it's like you know not that we're not taking it seriously but like you know. I it's the suspension of disbelief you know and I think when it comes to like you know the podcast format and stuff like that. That relationship isn't there you know and I I think you know the biggest way. The biggest like evidence for this is if you actually just listen to it you know it it. It doesn't sound like but he's a stand up. It doesn't sound like a piece of you know something that he worked on it. Just sounds like some dude. spouting racist shit which it is it. It is right. I mean I don't. I don't think he's even David claim that it is material per se but the funny thing is that he apparently is now claiming that that that version of himself is a character playing character right yeah retroactively of coordinator actively so yeah you can we see that character and Sarah the big at billy. What do you think of Andrew Young Sandton on the so. I guess we gotTa talk about that. Yeah Yeah I mean look look you know we began this little piece of it. By saying like may part of the reason why Boeing you hang is is being hired because the relevance of Asians in popular for Culture has gone to this point where the need tavern an Asia cast member to to to play that and I think obviously android part of that I mean I I think it'll be great if we actually could have him on the show and we've been trying. We have in the past to have bigger conversations. I feel like you know There are a lot of things. I mean I've known for a long time. I don't agree with you know with some of the things he says and does I do feel however its its groundbreaking that he is there that he's that he exists yeah and it is amazing saying that he has gone so far yeah but some of the things which I have issues with kind of come out and stuff like this where his response ons was pretty much to extend this you know sort of like preemptive forgiveness because here's the thing yeah so. Gillis didn't stop with those acts of petty and Shitty Racism. He actually also show us the the the the word Chink in reference actually to Andrew Yang right okay. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah he sang for whatever reason a Jew Chink I mean what I don't yet that and so end Henry actually responded to that by saying I like comedy but I don't like cheap shots but then apparently he went unpack and listen to some of his stuff and and basically you know had this long tweet thread about saying I believe John. You know that Shankill's was not militias. He's still an evolving unformed comic. You know I I WANNA. Give him basically so you know best. you know. I extend the opportunity to have a conversation and I do nothing should be fired and eh forgive him. In advance and I was like God please don't and and he also talked about how the word Chink is or other Asians. You know to to our point you know that Asians often are subject to racism in part because it's so easy for us you know I it's like it's worse for us somehow because because it's perceived that's easy to to target us and we don't respond right so I have two points on that one is he he actually kind of did a little comparing of Asians to African. Americans and I feel like that's always a bad move yeah. Let's bad take. It's a it's a it's a badge for bad that EH K. I I saw a Swiss on twitter a lot this weekend and just like don't you go there. You're not have to go there. You know so so you you. WanNa react yeah I mean I was entire like right here but that specific tweet is you know it's also the case is that Anti Asian racism particularly of by virulent virulent Jesus because it somehow considered more acceptable if Shane had used use the N. word the treatment will likely be immediate clear man. Don't don't do that look. Here's the thing you're running for the presidency number one you know like you gotta be reflective and thoughtful about the people represented the issues you're representing and the a deeper and broader history of who we are especially you know in in on the left if you will right. I mean you know the entirety of of of both the past the present and the future of the Democratic Party rests on in many ways the hard work the sweat blood and tears that after Americans have shed to to build a foundation of civil rights and US and we as Asian asian-americans I mean you know we've been a part of that history but we have benefited from it so extensively right and to even attempt to compare the the kinds of things that we have gone through to like a population that has been enslaved in in this country and subjected to the very worst continuing to this day the very worst kinds of of oppression abuse and institutional aw marginalization is is it in it yeah. It's just not there's no re. There's no reason or are or value in comparing these oppressions you know what I mean and because it's just not even close to the same level or like the same kind kind of We can't have that conversation. You know about like saying who's who's headed worse like you know what I mean like it. No good comes of that. I often nothing good ever just different circles like you know I mean the tomb struggles will but their struggles that are as they are connected. They're connected because we are building on the foundation for Americans have laid made of of equality in this country for all of us were not white basically within and then on top of that but the positioning and as if this had been the N. Word Yeah the the you know the reaction would have been swift and there would have been just an just like I'm sorry but like you cannot compare sort of like the the oppression and the violence and everything that you know sort of the black community has been through and then try to compare that like well the the C word like we you know like we just don't we we're just not there yet you know and and as if as if oppression is it's worse off for us because people did speak up on our behalf in that like you know because some of the Chink you know I look look bottom line is this andrew is a good guy and a smart guy right you know separating out the politics when person I genuinely have only ever known him as somebody who has tried his best to reach out to connect and and to to be somebody who expresses empathy to other people right but that's kind of one of the pitfalls also running for office and being somebody who has as as kind of you know human normal human if you will not not somebody who was carved out of a block of political ice right as as some candidates have been you sometimes we'll in the age of twitter find on yourself getting over your skis and saying things that probably does not do not fully judged the the room and now the room but history and the context of where speaking right right. I I also WanNa address something else. Could I say so. This is where you and I think we're our our diverge. 'cause I don't know Andrew I we have a we have a lot of a beautiful friends. You've known I've never met him before. I don't know him. I never knew who he was until he started running for president honestly but like all this stuff that has happened in my mind based on the information. I've had and all the performance the debase like his his. He has tumbled in my sort of esteem like yeah I don't like. I don't know much about him but like I haven't really. I appreciated that he was there. He's been in the mix that he's been a candidate and his ideas a lot. We're like okay whatever a lot of them are like Oh. That's a good one and then a lot of them are like sorry but I'm appreciative as their ear appreciate it. He's like trying to like you know he's one of these guys who are kind of like an out of the box problem solver and then like you know he's he's dressing that like the number really pays attention attention to. I I that said you know stuff like this for me. I'm like I can't. I can't get behind someone who will. I'll say this you know and you know you're more forgiving of the stuff. He said regarding sort of like leaning into these stereotypes. I'm not forgiving your understanding outstanding of it but only because I again I know him. As a person you know and that's the thing it's like we ultimately don't really we. We can't just simply elect people because they're nice guys who look like us or they look at yeah. Exactly I mean there's there's such a deep well of of imminent catastrophe in this country and man. I'm I'm like a for for him for me to me him saying stuff like I'm Asian. I'm good at math. I and I know he means it as joe as a allusion to him trying to come up with just smarter solutions especially in comparison to the guy who's currently in office and I know but his line about the doctors about a doctor's like not even necessary area and then to me. It's him playing into look man. I know I look like this but you need to be afraid of me. Yeah it's him so that literally is the second point right which is like this whole notion of sort of respectability politics and like the model minority right yeah and I actually feel like the the way the rest thread rolled out actually was I mean it was it was secondary to again that that just in infernal comparison that I see a lot of Asian markets making taking and we just talked about you know sort of that comparison to African Americans. It's unacceptable. We shouldn't do that period right but the second piece is is this like I don't think that we either have the right or the responsibility to to Kinda play this role of absorbing these blows and and giving absolution to folks who have established lengthy records of being like fucked up racists and homophobes and it's not it's like yes I grant you forgive his great and I mean in mercy's great and look look the from the bottom of my heart. I do believe those things are both necessary and valuable in a leader as well as us as people people but it's there's a process that if we are going to be better society we need to actually learn and sometimes that learning comes at the edge of you know of of like consequences for what you do right right. This is somebody who has not apologized who doesn't feel he did anything wrong. Who To this point to this day. He doesn't seem like he has any interest in even acknowledging that what he has done is is wrong and I don't think he will. I think it's going to go down in flames on this. It's been like a you know how many days now for him to it's been. It feels like arrived three weeks but actually it's just been like seventy two hours in this in this like new new cycle reality. If you aren't if you aren't responding in like twenty four hours then you don't you don't give a shit yeah period I and that but that's what bugs me about Andrew Yang's response like Oh shouldn't be fired. I think just sit down and talk about it like it's like it's a difference of or like a guy who just made a mistake. He's a baby comic like China Mark Fucking Baby. Live your your comments on one for you want. The one thing like this is a gig on Saturday night. Live is the most coveted high profile thing you can get in comedy. Do not tell tell me. This is the best that you can come up with right. There's that and if you even if you got another white guy who centralized seems to be shortage of white guys I I don't know but even if it was that I'm sorry but you can find you can do better with regard to Andrew Yang's comment on this. I'm like that also feels like me him him pandering to this to this. I'm not coming for you. I'm not trying to burn everything down. I'm here you know make peace with the whites. That's the key with China is trying to make peace with like you know. There's a big hole thing about him. Sort of winning over former trump supporters and that to me is I can't get down with. I'm sorry not not what it means that you know like now what it means coming quote go halfway halfway to where they are as halfway to help right so that so that comment of him addressing sort of like the supporters of is is it's supposed supposedly addressing addressing Gillis but it's actually addressing support the would be supporters of Gillis saying like I'm not here to. I'm not here to cancel. Everybody have a telephone conversation where we sit down over coffee. Whatever and talk it out. I'm like I'm no man like don't pander to this. You know so just flip it back actually actually to to kill us for second because ultimately look you know I we you know we could go on all day about about like the intricacies of how and whether those there is in a you know a better way to address this. I've even thought about myself like I when I kinda winner on this. I'm like what is what is the best route to to address this. Is this something where I want to focus on like I sure you too. I got a ton of people saying hey you know you should pay attention to this. Can you get this guy fired like look. My job is not to like hire and fire people bowl. You know it's like when we're in conversation either here on the podcast on twitter it is to hopefully have people think about stuff think think think harder about stuff including the people who you know like Shane. Gillis are out there on their probably you know in the Sea of of responses coming back at them too but you know what if he's fired by Saturday night live that Saturn lives business if they're gonNA do what they should've done a long you know like our days ago right but the the one thing that I find like kind of unforgivable on top of all the other things that are unforgivable. Gillis is he actually went out of his way to call it fucking Hassan Manashe. Oh who to me. I think some knowledge is one of the funniest smartest guys would always say he it was was like in the part of the the conversation was talking about like ranking. COMEDIANS and he kept on using some knowledge as an example of somebody who was like not funny uh-huh and and who was like embarrassing Wade's arms around like this this dude is like sitting you you know talking about like like mocking Chinese people and calling noodles neuters and that's his level of comedy meanwhile assange like went in front of Congress right and did possibly the smartest and funniest piece of Reginald testimony. They will ever exist like literally yeah on student loans. It was just brilliant brilliant work yeah and and every every episode of Patriot Act does is Actually the I think at that level I mean it's the smartest damping in comedy is the smartest campaign. Come in what anybody anybody who says that that is not it's not funny like fuck them and and you know like that's enough reason to not have one on anything like Sarala and even within the comedy world. You don't go after fellow like comics like that like you don't like if you think do not like actually know like Ashley though it's it's that's one the big things with you know just the whole. Colt of Stanton Suffolk that is that you just do not go out your fellows unless it's still jokes yeah exactly. That's like the original center whatever but like you know it. It's more so to the fact that he's expecting this kind of like respect that comes within comedy of Hey. You know I say jokes. I might see some fucked up stuff. That isn't funny but like you know hey. It's all good. It's comedy like you know that comes with the League. The territory also comes with the territory is like not being an asshole in you know shitting on other comics who are doing the same exact stuff that you are. Are you know it's like it's just it just like shows some level of disrespect disrespect when it comes to comedy as like the medium where it's like. You're taking without actually providing back well. The comics have broken okay code. I suppose because other people have called him out of gang Jimmy O Yang. He tweeted out. I usually don't actually see comics. I think this fuckers gotta go yeah. I mean he's back. I don't think it's a controversial thing to say like fuck this guy. I mean what he says is so so it's not even really open to interpretation. You can't really like say like Oh. That was like you know like he's got an angle point of view about this like no you just he he just said fucked up shit. I mean you know in this because he said on a podcast. I don't think it you get you're not protected. I'm sorry no oh you know. We're we're. We said this already sorry but like but I I just don't understand how this is even up for debate. Well okay so a lot. aww Bad yeah a lot of bad fairmount. WF In there too yeah yeah I guess we should close do want to put it on their W T F. We can talk about a young lady. They say our their game wins the same high school to high school. Were like there's. There's a Shitload of true. I mean yeah but like I don't know if that would explain anything. That's that's the thing I like like kind of thinking back on it and it's like because I I went to a boarding school in like New Hampshire which is obviously very very white and I almost feel like well. I feel like I'm not saying that where he you know engineering developed almost his own identity as an Asian American but like when I came into Exeter there was very much not like the Asian American community as a whole was very not establish their heart of like what I I was doing it during my time was trying to establish through like clubs and discussions with like fellow friends and stuff but it's just like it's really isolating yeah you know and you really become it. You search like have that defense mechanism of like I'll play into it a little bit and be you like you know like I know chopsticks. ha ha ha but like you know like. I'm like you guys. You know I it's. It's just like the compromising Asian like it's really easy to play into that stuff and it's really it's the way that most people do. They're not in a place where there are other Asian American score proud to be Asian American right. I hear you and I will say this. I mean one of the things that comes out of this conversation is that there is a lot more need for context. I think around where we as Americans come from you know in conversation I think internally as well about about what I don't know I think I look I will acknowledge as much save anybody else's speaking as an American and East Asian American coming from the Northeast the big city having gone to you know good schools obviously and I went to Harvard College Right. I mean you know there's a certain amount of uh of assumed and real privilege you know in in the position that I'm in and and actually I try really hard to kind of think about how how to not be that guy but I'm that guy sometimes. I'm like always that guy after work hard not to be that Guy Right. I think that's probably something we need to talk more about. Especially since it's a Harvard is at the epicenter right now of that guide them you know with the anytime now right the the affirmative action case is is going to come come out the the the the the ruling on that by the judge and I it's GonNa. Shit show like no matter what happens commissioner show. I think that we have a lot of thinking to do and consideration you know about who we are where we standing what we're trying to accomplish as a broader in very diverse community and I don't know look this is just the very tippy iceberg. We can't do it on this episode. Even maybe this podcast August but if we can be a little part of that we've done something a little bit heavy uh-huh and w just throwing their little league W. F. I realize realized that my the more my professors listened to the podcast which is like dope shouts out to Dr Tamai educating in Asian Americans on our yes go for that next next generation yeah yeah well look. WF Wise. I think it's actually just for me at w. t. f. that like so many we've freaking. Yang's have been in the news recently. I kinda love it but I also like what is going on. so you know hey out there the Yang clan and the Yang I'm Michelle to gene favorites my friend of the Yang's just you. You know what's doing all great. He's just he's one of those guys who if his name is attached to anything. It's GONNA be awesome. I you know what there is something actually so gene actually just this not w. f. and all this totally a good but there's little doubt in it in that the origin of this of this project is like. Whoa oh so gene actually just finish a project for DC. Oh yeah which is remain smashes the clan Dan yeah so clearly. It's like a jumps off of an old time radio serial yeah which actually was about Superman fighting finding the clan clan like the K. k. k. yeah like routing and one of the things which actually drew him. I think like actually the the inciting avent's of the radio. The original radio series was like something related to an Asian family or really yeah so anyway that that comic is out right. We don't think it's out yet well. He he'll exists. He asked me up. You may not have been address to send it so I'm like. Yes yes so when that comes out. We let's get them on. We're GONNA get him on yeah. He's here right here. We're GONNA get him on so I guess for us is like you know maybe it was like W. F. would've taken so long for the this comes to us all right well. Hey we had a lot to talk about here it was I. I thought we were going to do a little bit more of like a I wouldn't say lightweight but sort of you know who is going to this one yeah. I thought we were just going to check in in December as what's up having but sometimes things go yeah all right well that does it for this episode. Jeff where can people you'll find you online they can find original spin on twitter and elsewhere and Phil how about yourself you can find me at angry Asian man and on Anger Asianart Joie dot com you can find our show at they call spruce on twitter instagram facebook etcetera. Please hop on Apple podcasts and give us arraigning or review. We'd really appreciate it and it would help people find the show Nick Song. Where can people find you online. Oh yeah follow me at at I'm Nick Song twitter Instagram facebook. Even I can add one thing. The last podcast we did was like thirty years ago. No it was like about a month ago. Ago was with of course constance. Wu and I will say this weekend that we're recording this. hustles came out yeah right her. Jennifer Lopez amazing easily the highest slash stripper a movie about strippers and sex work and the crime drama crime drama but also like this incredible document exploring the roots of like you know the breakdown financial system and like inequity in America work in a whole range of other issues. It crushed the box. It's like thirty three million dollars again. Proof of power like two thirds of the people watching women two thirds of people watching more poor people are mostly women of color and it just proves something that we've been talking about all along you know tell great stories with diverse audiences and diverse audience out with diverse cast yeah so you know pop prompts to a constant for it's worth that episode yeah got a little bit of. Love Yeah Yeah Vulture Vulture call the sound bolger read. They said we were the definitive constants who podcast Mike Asteroid so so if you haven't heard yeah go back for it so hustlers. You're welcome. I give you that little box seriously conversation great movie. Go see it. I I like it a lot and it was a great movie. Yeah all right all right. Well does it for this episode of calls roosts. Thank you so much for listening piece. You've been listening to they. Call US Bruce with Jeff Yang and Phil. You our theme music is by Kiro One. Our producer is Nick Song. They call us. Bruce is a member of the POTLUCK podcast collective featuring unique voices and stories from the Asian American community find out more at podcasts cast potluck dot com and thanks for listening.

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We Are All Financially Vulnerable

Money For the Rest of Us

29:54 min | 1 year ago

We Are All Financially Vulnerable

"Welcome the money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance. Show on money how it works. How to invest it and how to live without worrying about added? I'm your host David Stein. Today's episode to eighty four. It's titled We are all vulnerable. Last week I spent and several days backpacking with my son and daughter-in-law in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument in southern Arizona about ten miles from the US. Mexico go border. That particular area of Arizona is covered by the auto station of the US Customs and Border Protection Section. Their website points out that area of responsibility encompasses over fifty two miles along the international border. Nearly eight hundred square miles of operational area they write to effect an illegal entry within the area of responsibility build. Ego Aliens are often committing to several days in the remote desert with little to offer relief rough rocky terrain flat desert covered in Cactus and brush and numerous mountainous regions are predominant in the area and make travel even inaccessible areas difficult. We hiked seven and a half miles up a rocky and sandy wash. We each brought eight leaders of water water as we walked. There were a few empty containers. Water jugs over the shape of clorox bleach bottles but they were jet black back about a mile from where we camped we found the discarded items of someone who apparently had been apprehended handed to use the phrase border patrol uses. There was a pair of Levi jeans socks a camouflage vest with provisions Benach packages of tuna in Spanish a toothbrush and a tube of colgate triple action toothpaste with the live on done. It looked as if this individual has been caught while brushing his teeth. The border in that area area is eighty one miles to Hilo Bend Arizona. A hundred and fifteen miles to the Metro Phoenix area. I can't imagine anyone risking that long. Walk there's no way you could carry enough water to get there. In a Ho- There is a store called three nations market and swap meet and on the side of the building. There's a mural it's a picture or of butterflies monarch butterflies and men with butterfly wings and it says migration for all living creatures they move from scarcity toward plenty from despair toward hope. Humans have their own migratory impulse based on the same fundamental desire coded within all living things survival people move when they feel financially vulnerable where they feel like they don't have any choice and it's always been that way. Andrew Jackson Downing. He was a leading homework attacked in the early nineteenth. Eighteen Century was born in eighteen. Fifteen in New York state he wrote. We must look for a counterpoise to the greater tendency tendency toward constant change and the restless spirit of immigration which form part of our national character. Let me posit share some words from from a new sponsor to the show the BOO company. I love to give flowers and I love to receive flowers. They're beautiful and I recently received several bouquets of flowers from the company over a dozen roses and they were absolutely amazing. The books partners with ECO friendly farms that pay the workers higher on average minimize waste recycle water and used sustainable growing practices. This farm direct transparent sourcing means fresher longer lasting flowers for you. These flowers have lasted over a week. Now I recommend you give the books. A try. Books is short for case be oh you Q.. S. They have great. Valentine's Day deals going on now now. Not everyone prefers roses for Valentines Day. The boots company has a a variety of beautifully. Style case we treats plants gifts and succulents blooms start at thirty nine dollars. The boots company is nationwide went off next. Well as same-day delivery they even have flowers subscriptions right. Now you can get twenty five percents off your order from the boots company the go-to boots dot com slash David and use the code. David That's B. O.. U. S. dot com slash. David David and use the code. David there were a lot of people that tried to enter the US illegally Guli last year. Here's some statistics from the US Customs and Border Protection and the Pew Research Center total apprehensions On the southwest border for the fiscal year ending September thirtieth two thousand nineteen was nine hundred. Seventy seven thousand up eight percent from the prior year. We're now that's down from one point. Six million apprehensions back in the year. Two thousand non-mexicans accounted for eighty percent of the apprehensions and that was the fourth consecutive year in which non-mexicans outnumbered Mexicans in your two thousand ninety eight percent of those that were caught. Were Mexicans most this past year and this year come from what are known as the Northern Triangle Nations El Salvador Salvador Guatemala Honduras. Seventy one percent of all apprehensions were from those three countries but combined their population is only thirty. Thirty three million about one fourth of Mexico's One hundred twenty. Nine million of population is another big change from year. Two thousand back then. It was mostly single men. Mexicans seeking work last year. There were four hundred and seventy four thousands apprehensions mentions from family unit fathers mothers children even unaccompanied children ages seventeen and younger seventy six thousand thousand unaccompanied minors fifty six percent of all apprehensions. Where family units? Now many of those those were designated as inadmissible and that's the US Customs and border protections terms for those that just crossed the border order and turn themselves in to seek asylum. And why are families coming from El Salvador Honduras. Guatemala Guatemala. They're fleeing violence. El Salvador has the highest homicide rate in the world. Honduras is V. Guatemala is sixteenth Nicole. Nara writes that each country has rampant government government corruption and high rates of violence against women and LGBTQ individuals and remained hotspots for international criminal gang activity us the US State Department has issued travel warnings for US citizens in all four countries. She continues migrants. Have the right pursue asylum in the US if if they have credible fear of persecution in their home countries on account of their race religion nationality political opinions or membership in enable titular social groups that tribe or ethnic group. Here's an example. As reported by the Associated Press Adult Folk Cardenas hard to nice traveled with his fourteen year old son from Honduras. It took them nine days to get to the. US Mexican border riding buses and they paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to ensure passage through highway checkpoints. They walked about ten minutes into Arizona. This past June surrendered to border agents but instead of being released with paperwork to appear in Immigration Court in Dallas. That's where cartoonists hope to live at. A cousin is in there. They were bust more than an hour to the Mexican border city of Mexicali. He said it was a surprise. I never imagined this would happen. They're in a migrant shelter awaiting their court appearance. And that's one of the changes that has occurred in the last six months before asylum-seekers would stand. US they would overwhelm the system they would be released. And oftentimes they just wouldn't ever show up further court case Anthony Pervez Nick. He's the chief of Border Patrol for the human sector. Said their whole goal was to be released into the United States and once that was taken off the shelf for them and they couldn't be released into the United States anymore then that really diminish the amount of traffic that comes through here because the asylum-seekers are having to remain in Mexico cartoonist work construction in Honduras in the capital. Oh and he says he feels unsafe in Mexico and that it was impossible to escape gangs in Honduras they are in every corner. He said Emma fluorine of Guatemala all across the border illegally with their sixteen and thirteen year old sons. She said that dream was to reach the United States. She was hoping to settle with relatives in Maryland. She's not sure what she'll do. If denied asylum only fourteen percent of Guatemalan asylum-seekers were granted asylum for the twelve month period ending September thirtieth twenty nineteen eighteen percent of Salvadorans thirteen percent of Hondurans and eleven percent for Mexicans. Stephen Miller he's a senior adviser on policy to the trump administration. wrote in a memo. My Mantra Mantra has persistently been presenting aliens with multiple unsolvable dilemma to impact their calculus for choosing to make the arduous journey. To to begin with did not come at all because it's so difficult to get in the. US has forty four million foreign born immigrants the highest biased of any country in the world forty nine percent or citizens and twenty. Five percent are Mex- against then China's six percent India six percent Philippines five percent El Salvador thirty percent immigrants account for about fourteen percent of the US population. That's triple what it was in. Nineteen seventy at four point seven percent. It's never really gotten over sixteen percent but back in the late eighteen hundreds and early early nineteen hundreds it was around fourteen percent. Most immigrants seventy-seven percent are in the country legally while about a quarter ten and a half million are unauthorized immigrants. Now that number is down back in two thousand seven. It was twelve point. Two million an unauthorized immigrants of the foreign born immigrants in you ask fifty two percent speak English very well. Sixty one percent of married of those that are twenty five or older fifty percent have a high school or less education compared to thirty nine percent for the US population as a whole and the US grants a green card. The right to stay. which is what asylum-seekers seek after a year? If they're approved they can get a green card are granted permanent. Imminent resident status in about a million per year are granted that in the US. As I was lying buying their resting in my tent in the Arizona desert I kept thinking of whoever was that an abandoned all this stuff about a mile from me. I thought he's not that different from me. There have been times growing up when we were just as financially vulnerable. Certainly weren't fleeing violence. But I remember my mother telling me numerous times that that we would be on the street if we weren't getting help from others food if we didn't have a house that we had bought for seventeen thousand dollars in the early Seventies. The banker was kind enough to not foreclose when my mom missed a payment for a month or two I think about my children where most individuals. When you're young? You don't have much money much savings things. If things really took a turn for the worst for whatever reason unemployment a health issue you rely on your safety net a friends and family we learned in the episode about happiness that that's the key having someone to rely on but if you don't have anyone who extremely extremely vulnerable August seventh twenty nineteen. There were immigration raids at seven chicken plants in central Mississippi. Maybe six hundred eighty Hispanic workers were arrested. That opened up jobs. One grant said I figured figured there should be some jobs and he got one now. He called the rates crew and mean and at times he felt like I stole it the job and I really don't like what I stole. But he was able to get eleven dollars. An hour was thinking about buying. I used Honda getting serious with his girlfriend now. He had more money but it was the seventy five mile drive from his trailer house and within a few months he was let go but others took those jobs and are still there. Jamaal who works at one of the processing plants. Says if you're somewhere you're ain't supposed to be they're going to come get you shall. Onda Davis has worked at one of the plans for seventeen years. She said Ed. I'm glad that I see people going to work. But the way they came at the Hispanic race the act like they're killing somebody still they were only working you know one of the individuals was caught a Guatemalan mother named Eva Wears an electronic ankle monitor that she calls La Greta doc the shackle. It's not sure what she's going to do. We're going to fight to try to stay in the US with their children. Thirteen and nine who are American citizens. Since there's a study called the effects of immigration on the United States economy put out by Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. They right I popular view is that immigrants are taking jobs from American citizens however although immigrants increase the supply of labor they also spend their wages on homes food. TV's and other goods and services and expand domestic economic demand this increased demand and turn generates more jobs to build those homes make and sell food and transport. TV's that's how the economy works. More people equals more demand leads to more output which is how we measure economic growth. Many of those individuals don't speak English very well and take manual jobs which puts pressure as we saw in the chicken plant for those that one of those jobs might not be able to get them and it does put some downward pressure on wages for those starter jobs but much of the wage pressure goes to those that are immigrants use but it also allows those that have the language skills to move into better jazz because the overall economy is growing in terms of immigrants with with college degrees there is little or no wage pressure due to immigrants on. US native born individuals but on those that are foreign inborn it does allow the overall economy to grow. Now that doesn't mean borders should be completely open and I'm not sure what the solution gene is. But I just I think about these people leaving for reason and we all kind of have that desire to make things better and sometimes times. Maybe we're not that far away of feeling compelled to move somewhere else where things just seem so bad that we we want to leave Steve. Around New Year's I drove to Oakland California the East Bay area to visit my son. I was shocked by the homeless homeless camps campers people living in cars tense in many places just kind of on the side the streets or in parking lots the Lonnie far a U N representative when she visited the California encampment compared it to the slums of Pakistan and Brazil and Mexico just said no access to toilets or showers and a constant fear of being cleaned off the streets. Let me pause here. Share some words from this week sponsors answers. It's January twenty twenty year. Two Thousand Twenty shows up a lot in science fiction. 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US Department of Housing Urban Development Does a count on on a single night of the homeless this past January twenty nineteen. They reported that five hundred and sixty eight thousand people were experiencing dancing homelessness that night. two-thirds sixty three percents stayed in sheltered locations. Emergency shelters or transitional additional housing programs. Thirty seven percent were in unsheltered locations on the street or an abandoned buildings over a homelessness levels increase three percent from two thousand eighteen to twenty nineteen after being essentially flat between two thousand sixteen and twenty eighteen gene. The number of people staying in unsheltered locations increased by nine percent. California has more than half half of all unsheltered homeless people fifty three percent or one hundred eight thousand and nine times as many unsheltered homeless as Florida does. Even though California's population is only twice. That of Florida here are the state with the highest rate of homelessness per ten thousand people people. The national average is seventeen persons per ten thousand. New Yorkers forty-six Hawaii forty-five California thirty eight Oregon Oregon Thirty eight Washington Twenty Nine District of Columbia Ninety Four. Now I thought well warm places. We'll have more homeless. But that's not necessarily true. Mississippi has only four homeless per ten thousand Louisiana six Alabama seven. The report points out that family and veteran homelessness has declined due to what is known as the housing first approach approach this started in the nineteen ninety s with the idea of providing houses. First and then help those that are homeless deal with uh-huh addiction problems mental illness instead of having them solve the problem I before giving access to shelter and that approach seems seems to be working but the problem of homelessness is overwhelming many of the homeless recovering from a natural disaster fire in their house house a hurricane a medical illness and not having insurance in other words they were financially vulnerable and it led to homelessness the other big driver of homelessness is just the cost of housing the Communists reports that a ten percent increase increase in housing cost prompts an eight percent jump in homelessness and in cities where restrictions were lifted to allow now more residential construction such as Tokyo. They've seen their unsheltered homeless population fall by eighty percent in the last twenty years because it was just more housing opportunity now in California Bay area. There's clearly some geographic constraints but some countries are again building building housing for the homeless Singapore Finland but when I think about the homeless and those that are fleeing violence and and seeking asylum you realize that they're not that different from US clearly when I make financial choices racist to to kind of have savings to protect herself but are we that different after publishing the report in The New York Times they you asked individuals who had been homeless. What what can we do to help out? And Joe Cohen reported said everyone. Everyone essentially shared the same advice tree. People you come across with dignity and respect. Don't avoid eye contact but to to avoid making assumptions sumptuous Zurve it 'cause they're homeless Miranda Janice Mirror who is homeless if you see someone suffering from homelessness consider just giving them awesome clean water to drink. I used to be so thirsty and all anyone ever had was soda or alcohol. Another suggestion by Isis Newman is is to know your area's resources and pass them along. She said the most helpful thing by far the anyone gave me was knowledge when I first became homeless in San Francisco the resources most helpful to me. We're where to shower where soup kitchens were where to get medical care and how to get food stamps. Finding out what emotional support groups are available where to get financial and job assistance how to get free college classes how secure a mailing address and so much more. We can also volunteer at some of these organizations such as local food pantry but we can contribute to the organizations consider helping refugees and the homeless we can encourage our governments to provide more opportunities for housing including zoning changes and be willing to not fall for not in my backyard approach to living but recognize that we need more housing. We need more low income housing so people can afford. It is not easy easy questions to answer and they're very much interconnected to conclude. I got an email from juicy. He lives in Finland any rights. Finland has done great economically for decades and a good economy for sure creates a good good foundation for an overall welfare but in my opinion the ultimate key to the Finnish or Nordic happiness which is often missed in the news public. Writing and discussion is the true equality and intergenerational social mobility that we have in our society no matter what your socio economic background is the society especially the education system gives you equal possibilities to succeed in your life I can give you a couple of concrete Crete examples. Eddie mentioned he's a lawyer by training a decent international working career. His spouse is a business owner owner which means among the top five percent of earning households in the country next to them lives a couple that are medical doctors but on the same street. They said there's a single mom working in a bakery as well as a couple where one of them works the counter at a municipal swimming hall and another part time bartender and says there's no drastic difference in our lifestyles. One could say I have a bit bigger fancier house two cars and probably a slightly bigger investment portfolio portfolio and definitely a lot bigger tax burden but generally the social classes. Don't play any bigger role in our everyday. Life revived from the same grocery store or our kids go to the same kindergarten and do the same classes in the same schools. And if they do well there they have the same chance to go to high school and from there. Whatever university in the country offer free funded by taxes free worm lunches served at every pupil up to high school? Everyone studies at least two foreign languages. Switches English Swedish in school most of the voluntary third one German French Spanish. They don't have any private schools or elite schools and he gives the example of their prime minister's Santa Merrin who grew up in a poor family. You call it a rainbow family with two MOMS. Her biological father was sick alcoholic and couldn't support her economically when she was young while in school she worked the counter a grocery store to supplement her student aid because she didn't want to get a student loan now. She's the prime minister now. He points out that. Nordic societies are far from being perfect. And I'm not saying the. US needs to turn into or other countries into Finland but one of the challenges is finding the right balance. How much of a social safety net should be? How much should government be involved in helping to solve the housing crisis? How open should borders be to take in when refugees asylum seekers? These are problems soon have been around for decades. If not centuries to find that balance in the meantime we have to recognize. We're not that much different from them. And perhaps as financially vulnerable as Zim and we need to do our part to make sure that we don't end up in that situation help our friends and family members that perhaps are close to that situation and contribute to the private and public social service organizations through our time and means. Are there to help those. That are suffering through very hard times. That's episode two eighty four. You can get the links to the articles that reference for this episode at money for the rest of US DOT com. Why they're please sign up for my free insider's guide and I'll email those links links to you each and every Wednesday when I do an episode along with an essay I do on money investing and the economy and you can sign up for that insiders guide at money you for the rest of US dot com? Everything I've shared with you in this episode Finn for General Education. I'm not considered your specific risks situation of not provided investment advice. 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110: They Call Us The Paper Tigers

They Call Us Bruce

1:06:11 hr | 9 months ago

110: They Call Us The Paper Tigers

"Hello, and welcome to another edition of they call us Bruce unfiltered conversation about what's happening in Asia America. I bill you and I'm Jeff Yang and we are here. With the director and writer of I gotTA. Say just one of my favorite films to have come out this year not just because it hits square and kind of like the intersection of. Sweet spots for me. But also because it really revives John that is kind of synonymous with. They cost Bruce in some ways, and that film is the paper tigers and the filmmaker in question is bow tran. Bow. Thank you for joining us on the PODCAST. Welcome. Hello. Hello. Thanks for having. Me Guess. Big Fan. At. Likewise. No seriously about so this film is basically about a set of martial arts enthusiasts young young guys who have grown up learning under a master. who have kept on growing up as a were. Gotten Kinda midlife and found themselves in a situation where they have to kind of recover the skills that they've lost and like I said for me, it really is just at the intersection of a lot of stuff that I care about and or am. So. Thank you for making it. And Yeah, thank you for talking to us about. My pleasure. Thanks for watching. Really glad to hear you guys enjoy. I let me say like, let me express a little bit of. Sorrow and regret. and sadness on your behalf because. The world being what it is the circumstances being what it is. Many people are going to experience. This movie are not going to experience movie the way I really think they should. Experience it which is with an audience because this is such a fun crowd-pleasing movie We should say like I saw it advertised as a as a martial arts comedy which it is. But it's a bummer that we're not people aren't going to really get to see it in that ideal situation. Yeah I. Mean it's kind of a it's kind of a surreal thing to go through this year with all festivals. Now pivoting to virtual and we had a world premiere couple of weeks ago at Fantasia, which is usually out of Montreal and We did have a zoom QNA afterwards. And is actually fun because it was the first time. The actors saw the movie for the first time and all that and then Cuny was over and I got kicked out of the Zoom Room. There I was sitting in the dark? The World Premiere. Back. But. You know you know we we may do I, mean. That's kind of the way things are, and we just have to Kinda forge on. But Yeah we all had always hoped in envisioned to be able to play this in front of crowd because I think that's kind of like the best experience at least for me growing up as well. Just watching movies that I love. And then be able to kind of bring that. Old old-timey feeling back again. But hopefully, maybe oh Soon soon, enough will be a on our recovery in fields. Kind of have a place when we can share it altogether. I. I kinda figured out what the the genre of this sort of ends up being in white works for me. So well, it's basically old school meets old just. But. I mean these AVIV, the the issue of where we are. Now how this all landing I I will say that. There's something really special about seeing the movie mean it's taken a while to get here and I know this of course, I was fortunate enough smart enough to be early on the bandwagon on this thing asked for it in the kick starter as was Hudson Yang. And Shout shout out. Yeah and it feels a little bit like it's bringing with it. A breath of what it was like before all this happened I. Mean you know we're for me the the things that make the movie just. Feel, special to me is. It's it's the kind of film that you can't really make in quarantine at all. It's film that it's not like a giant. You Know Effects Laden blockbuster, but it has the the effects that you can only do with people are trained and skillful right which is. People finding hand hand. Real. Martial, artists in. Most cases. Who are are going head to head with choreography that you can't hide right there. This does really feel to me and we seen other attempts before. Like A legit revival of that The film right and? I mean I wanted to kind of dig a little into your inspirations and influences in deciding to. Revive this Jonah to begin with. And here a little more about the way this journey started. Yeah I mean I could have imagined. No. You guys have been tracking project for a long time. We've been you know I, I was with Mike Alaska's my producer and we pitched this at the C. Three Project Market V. C. You know twenty eleven in front of like Daniel Day Kim and Desirous Yamashita in. A Teddy Zee. Like nine years ago when I had a one page treatment and it was just like. A hair we are. So I wish I could say we planned it, but we really just got in by Cheney chin-chin in terms of just shooting this film at the at the end of summer last year two, thousand nineteen, and then we were imposed all the way up until you know when the lockdown started happening and all that stuff. So yeah I mean literally is that Snapshot Wife Before. the pandemic and a lot of ways. So it's just it's just kind of worked out that way and if we waited any any additional months or waited, you know in any way to to shoot the film I, don't think we re we would be here having this conversation. Yeah. So it's Kinda trippy looking back on just the timing of it all. I mean not to bring up something, which is still I think lingering. A hard hard thing to think about but cove actually touched production directly right with the the passing of your assistant. Director John Nolan. From from the disease. You know which which occurred well, after production was done, right? Yeah. Yeah I guess he was on a show a Texan. So he was out on a commercial when that Texas speaker starting to get back to work and unfortunately he he contracted either from the not too sure on the details on that but just you know in this past summer, just a couple of weeks before our world premiere. So as bit of a shock to all says, well. I had a chance to see the film before he did not unfortunately. Yeah. Well the the film is. I like Joe said I mean the film is very special and the thing that sold it for me like you like you we've alluded to we've been tracking this for a very long time. Clearly you've been working. On it for a long time. But the thing that's all was that log line which was like. Something's the effective like these martial artists have events, their masters. But I, they got A. Square where their day jobs in. The kids from school. And that that Mean that was I totally got what this was coming from the thing that also. Really strikes me about the film is that. You've ported over a lot of sort of the traditional tropes of of martial arts films. And Puerto Them over to contemporary setting I mean like this obviously that's the other thing. This has a really great sense of place because it's filmed in Seattle and it. So you've brought it over to this contemporary modern setting and how does it? So how does that work? Would you gotTa Venture Master and you've got like, you know you got your your Your insurance job or whatever you know and so. That makes for great comedy but then but it's also clear through the notes in the film that. Throughout the film like this is made by somebody who? Knows and digs. Gung Fu movies, right and like that's very clear. The love is clear to me you know so. Talk a little bit about your your inspiration for making this kind of martial arts movie. Yeah I mean, it's it's kind of a lot of things going into it obviously the you know. Growing up in in loving Hong. Kong cinema and TVD TV, be dramas, and all that stuff all the stuff that you know that definitely, Kinda like seeps into your memory your pores as you're making, you know the story. So it's all kind of like a a a loving to all those things but also kind of like wanting to reflect our own backgrounds as far as doing martial arts. Training with different people that you wouldn't normally be friends with or be associated with you know just because we all have this common love of martial arts it kind of brings us all together. So that's what always fascinated me about you know that type of. Community that could come out and they're you know close friends to this day in a Lotta ways, other friends that have drifted part, and so all that melancholy and all that kind of like tenderness in dodger kind of rolls into. The story here in an you mentioned you know kind of the Seattle being backdrop obviously. Out of Seattle. So that's our home but you know the history of Bruce League since this is the podcast. Our namesake a yeah and the namesake, and you know he set down his roots here in Seattle and I think to a large degree I. Think I don't think. He would be the person who would be if he he sat down his roots first thing in American different city for many different reasons. But I think Seattle itself kind of bread. Him in a very different way and have tatum encounter, very different people that he would. If I wouldn't have normally you're in any other city I. Think. So that's Kinda like what we wanted to big secret up here in the Pacific northwest and we wanted to showcase the history and the richest Rian at least in. You know story and portrayal and stuff like that. So yeah, I mean that's that's that's a specific thing in the I'll tell you had we had been pitching the story you know obviously to anyone who would listen to me. But you know I I'd spent some time in Vietnam working as an editor out there. I did talk to a few producers there and you know they were interested in story in he said, well, can you set it here in Vietnam and because it's it's a pretty catchy hooky premise. It's always about old people, but you know I just really felt it wasn't Asian American story. It was something that situated yourself between these two conflicts like you said, you know we've pitches like imagine if you had to fight a death match, but you got to pick up your kid from soccer before it's like kind of a to contrast of old. Arcane. Kung Fu values. But also like life you know suburban life urban life. Or whatever here but here here now So that was like what was really more interesting as far as like having that backdrop if and if we said it completely in Asia or said it completely, you know in that world, I don't think the tug and pull would be as strong I'm sure. I'm sure they go through similar things but it just felt like it felt more right in Asian American kind of background backdrop. You know I gotta say it it. It does get in the way of the many. Blood fights I engage in. Kids and make dinner. But. I felt I felt down. I hit my own, the the DOORKNOB. But yeah the So I, one thing I've really appreciated about how you. contextualized what was going on in? The world you created I mean it is a world right this is not just a story taking place. Only in suburban Dad. Ville, right. There's. There is a martial world and There's a concept that you bring in early and then it becomes obviously the spine of the film, the the competitors film. It's this thing. It's a form of martial arts dueling called. Beim. Oh right. And you actually I don't think he actually explicitly explain what's going on with Oh people. You GotTa know it to know what's going on with it, but it's actually for anybody who doesn't know what Bay Mo- is it is actually a structured. A means by which martial artists competing with each other to who is best and the way that you actually laid out in the film is, is really it historically? Accurate, right the Holzer, two minutes of fighting one minute rest and all that stuff. The fact that you know people often start out with sticky hands and stuff like that I it was just like really kind of fascinating to me to to that pulled into a film about you know old dudes. Rubbing minivans. Yeah. That's part of what I think made it. So special I mean. Can. You can give a little more context for that? Like you know how what this world that you've created all about how connects to the the world of actual martial martial artists back in the day? Yeah A. Yeah it's it's going back to question Jeff. You had originally asked you know what was kind of Also. The they'll terrier the the seeds of the idea. Essentially, I'd have the rights to make a Bruce Lee movie. So it's like okay. So how do we kinda take that in on? It's a put it on its head a bit because you know Bay Mo and is kind of like what Bruce at got tangled up in Hong Kong. With all the warring kung-fu clans and stuff like Dadan. Depending on who you ask kind of what got him in trouble in what got him you know his parents send him. On a boat out out to San Francisco and eventually Seattle. So they sent him away as he got in trouble. Because, that was like a huge part of that culture especially young young boys in in these comfort clans you know board in, it's hot and humid and need to find something to do. So they just you know why not compare skills but that's kind of the definitely in the martial arts thing. But in terms since late just young kids like was saying I think it's the same Danes it could be ciphers, it could be boy battling it could be skateboarding. Anything, like any type of hobby I think people are just GonNa understand you know people just want battled to be the best in show yourself off especially at that certain age. which is what what kind of the other side of growing old is is like when you're at your peak and when you really. Really feel in yourself you know and then how far that drop office? That's kind of like where where the conflict the story is But yeah. So like in the whole nutshell is just kind of mapping through. All that history of martial arts clans battling each other and you know even there's I think there was mention dojo bussing and that's very much a thing among martial arts school maybe not now. But back in the day was a little bit more like weight of kind of like. Putting your stake in the land where the only school that's really good and you know schools have been shut down because they've lost these challenges. So it's it was highly competitive thing through the seventies and eighties, and that's Kinda wanted to portray especially with these characters growing up and then through VHS kind of. Those visions and memories of that, and you can youtube these things right you like Jeff. You can find these things pretty easily if you find some old school, new. York battles in Chinatown. Bay Mohsen in very different rule sets you know they vary know it's up to them how they WANNA fight or bash out so you can find him. I, mean, half the half the Gung Fu movies from Hong Kong for an entire generation or just about this. Like my styles better. You know your shit like. Everyone's always talk about their schools, the best and like you know and then. It man comes along and says, no, ours is best though. And the story? What's the literally examining that? But you know it's like you know when this the master tells them, you know not to do. It's like, okay that's easy enough for you to say but we're young and were full of Piss and vinegar we wanna you know it's it's if you've done to wash arts as a very. Mixed. Message when you know they're teaching you how to like beat someone up and break boards and they're like, no, no no, but don't do that. Very like using day. It's it's. You know it's it's a very you know in you have all this much cheese Mona, all this type of steps. So that's a path that they're going to have to find out, and we we hopefully we kind of travel with them in this movie and finding out what the real value is but funding games. Until someone loses an eye. And Not with a patch in the movie. So that's Kinda missed out there man come. One thing about this is that. This like we were hammering home the fact that this took a long time to make. But you know that's that's not uncommon for indie films. One thing about this is that. You see a lot of films that are great ideas and film that knows what it wants to be, but it doesn't have the resources or or funding or whatever to really make it happen. I see when I even heard about your film was like this film knows what it wants to be. I. Hope they could pull it off and. It definitely. What you have here is the film that knows what it wants to be. It didn't quite have all the resources it needed to do it yet. It did it anyway you know what I mean like I feel like it's It's just one of those movies that like. Because I can see the the seams and the bones of an indy film for sure. I could tell that you have a certain level of budget and yet it is so resourceful. It's so creative and also like everybody's acting their ass off I gotta give tremendous progress because like you know making it an action movie on Indie budget. Is. That's that's kind of crazy and not a very smart thing to do but you totally pulled it off and. Maybe you could talk a little bit about making a movie with like with nothing you know what I mean. 'cause I think anybody. I imagine everybody involved with this? I. Mean there wasn't a lot of money in it. You know it was a labor of love. Absolutely, yeah, it's. It's an interesting thing because you know you're you're you're you're basically mentioned that this is kind of it's a catchy premise it's legat should. It's one of those things they call it the four quadrants high-concept you know and it's and it's commercial it's action movies. But yet what what took us so long to do indie movies are hard to end and long finance, but usually it seems like it's because there's deeply personal or very. Specific or idiosyncratic. But you know we wear our commercial aspirations on our sleeves and how come we it's still took us. You know so hard so hard and long to to make it and that that's what was kind of a head scratcher for us but you know but yet we persisted. and. Like you're saying, yeah we just Kinda like it came to a point like we just had to do it and you know and not let the perfect the enemy of the good in a lot of ways and then start banking on just people make movies, not gear and not equipment. It's people so and to that point, you know we didn't have a lot of money of course, and we wanted to have people that were all in and wanting to do it and then for the big conversation of representation you know POC creating. This. Was Opportunity for all the people involved to finally have creative control in stake in it. From on behind the scenes in front like our productions, Ira Wing Li. huge filmography. Like he's been doing all these shows in actually just joined the academy in this that recent roll-call. Over the summer but you know I didn't know if he wanted to do it because I was like you look at his filmography really Oh, Jeez you know he's I don't know but we had a conversation he was like I wanNA, do it. And I was like cool and then his set is production Zion is beautiful. Notwithstanding any of the budget that we give him. He he made it happen and. So in terms of what he and what he wanted to, he just wanted see more asian-americans creating and finally be in the driver's seat to be kind of tell those stories. So you know that type of belief and sweat equity goes a long way and makes up for the multitude of deficiencies that we have, and so the thing goes on on the cast that they just had an opportunity to lead like we all know Ron Ron has been in many films you know but for to show the side of him I, think a lot of people are going to be really pleasantly surprised so good. Good. Man. I just wanted to follow up on what you said about you know. Basically filling the gap that you don't have for capital with Labor as we're right. Like nobody got people. There is no genre of film in which people the people are more important than martial arts cinema because. You can fake a lot of stuff you can. You can do the avengers with green screen and all that stuff. But when you're actually doing this kind of film and remember you know I think we have to remind ourselves a lot that when the original guys were making these films, they were doing it. You know with money the felt of their couches. Like they they didn't even have stunt men or the stuntman basically were taking punches and like falling on cardboard boxes and jumping off roofs with you know Bags of cotton stuffed under their shirts to break their fall. So there's a tradition of like super low budget, incredibly skilled work around this genre and what I loved about where you landed with this is there are a lot of people. In this film who probably are better known as like you know stuntman at least originally. But they're actually being moved to the front of the camera. And, you know what? They can fuck an act you know. They can do the physical stuff and they have chemistry and they have charisma and. It kind of. pisses me off right that. The only way that we can showcase this kind of talent put of the screen is if we take all the risks honors, there's no one who's going to reach out a hand and even give you other than kickstarter. Right a crowd of folks gathered together to give you one hundred, hundred, thousand bucks. It's impossible for me to imagine that there weren't people who looked at what you guys are trying to create here and didn't say I think this is worth a couple million bucks what would have to lose. Let's try to do this. You know. Yeah as A whether it did I think we've mentioned you know in some other places before we did have same interest you know from the micro or mini studios but you know they came with the caveat of whitewashing or the cats to make almost -mercial and stuff like that. So I mean, we knew that we knew in other words we knew the idea had lakes right now let's the execution whether people agreed with what we wanted to do with it That's of like where we read that crossroad. So I think that's kind of like what it came down to as far as you know you know, do we want to do this with more resources but less control or? Vice versa. So ultimately you know. We just you know. Found some coins in our couch like you said. Well, can I say I love all the casting I mean literally I think you everybody's so charming and so amazing. You know some people even are if anything I wish he'd been ill use a morally like Jay for instance, she's amazing and everything she does. You know this is not really a film about the relationship between Danny and his ex wife. So she doesn't get as much screen time as you might have hoped to have. But literally from top to bottom I, feel like everybody in this in this film as well cast but I will say there is somebody who blew my mind. You know who I was like my unexpected kinda favourite and his. And you mentioned whitewashing. And I gotta say the actually got to play Carter. I. What is his name? Actually? Matthew Page Matthew Page okay. Page was brilliant in a role that could have just been a total clown role. He actually brought a kind of gravitas and humor and and skills. You know to the role in a way that I think turned. A supporting character into a legitimately. Really kind of a lovable in ways and laughable role in film full of lovable now folks. Yeah. I mean definitely definitely I always saw this as an ensemble piece whether it's big or small everyone had something to do with in the film and also with each other in the whole journey and it's just one giant dysfunctional family. If you look at it, you know Carter in his own ways like the the the white sheep. And you know he he wants to be a part of them, but he just can't the you know the way they treat him they way the way he treats them back. So it's like very familiar but yet still very. Bitter. At the same time. So which is always funny which is funny to me and if you don't know Matthew Page, he has a great great. Show on Youtube called enter the Dojo. And it's kind of a similar effort. He kind of does this what is it a merit dough tae as his style, but it's kind of the. What does that the fist foot way? Yeah. Kinda of like that it's kind of the spoof of the Alpha male instructor but very talented the in. We knew you know he could do. We just saw his show and just fans of it But yeah that was definitely something that I worked with Matthew, on that is just trying to make sure that was grounded. You know we wanNA make a stereotype anyone rate the to be. A stereotype feel real and feel rate because in a Lotta ways in real world like a lot of Kung Fu martial arts and learning from from white people right now like they're the ones carrying the torch and other in in a lot of ways. So it's it's funny and to Kinda bring that into this world of the movie and then see how that plays off. You know our tigers. Well Fist Way Danny McBride like this huge star or hugest stars. I duNNo. contextualized that I I think that this role really I, mean he deserves to get seen in this. He's so great I mean that's what that's what this white so crazy like that part was already there on the page and for these white led studios to say, we want all the characters to be white or you know it's like, wow, you want everything. You don't use like you have one great white character like it's really a fun character. and. That actor will be great in it. You know it's like and yet still they want. To whitewash everything. So that's what creates you know. I just WANNA quickly contextualized his character for those who have not yet seen it. It's not going to spoil it to say that this character is both a spoof of It's a spoof of white martial artists, but also a spoof of spoofs of. If you met. This guy who actually knows Chinese better than than the actual Chinese characters in the film and he he just. Takes it so seriously? And yet also recognizes his situation I. Mean it really it's it's such a brilliant written and well acted. Peace there and when he actually. Is quoting these Chinese sayings me actually says. Among US Chinese. Laughed out loud I really. Yeah the look that they give him. says. That is like. Arlo is all of us. It's all. Good I mean the same goes for the whole cast. Honestly like everybody is is so great and I want to go back to Iran because he's such a revelation in this I mean like people who know his work they're going to watch this and they're not gonNA recognize you. They're really wait wait wait. That was ron you know. It's I mentioned this because I I. I shot it Ron in our discussion of Moulana, which is a movie that most of us didn't enjoy on our podcast but we. I said I I love Ron and everything run you on everything he's in and he is I mean there's a side of him and he does a turn here. That's just. Really great anise unlike most of the sort of the heavy that he. He's bringing the comedy and I think people are GonNa really take a shine and also your your lead completes Danny Elaine Oil Right. He's. He's awesome. Man I A. I watched the movie. I went to his IMDB to look I was like, what do I? Do how come I miss this guy he's been in. So he's got a really long list of credits. He should be and everything. He's great. He's really fantastic. There a speech he gives near the end of the movie. On the phone I don't WanNa, spoil it for anybody but. Genuinely moved I was like I was almost crying like it was so great. So Mean, you can't the hell out of. It's really great Ed your thank you. It's just it's one of those things where the director only takes it so far. When the cast can make or break you know the the movie it's at the other day is like that's kind of like the leap of faith in the were just thrilled. Over the moon is that we had an amazing cast of players to bring it to life because yeah. At this point I wish I could take credit, but it's not because they I mean they just really all brought it in their own ways and they could make something bigger than anything that we could imagine you know. So and that's what you want. You want stuff that goes beyond all of our. Own Own. ASPIRATIONS SO I. Must have helped your casting that basically half your cast members are related to each other. Because I you you bring up. Ron. Phil, but we can't not also talk about Roger his brother has older brother who plays the the master, the seafood of the paper tiger of the Tigers, right and of course, you also have this. Dr. So brothers in there although in. Flashbacks and unfortunately. Because of that, not as much onscreen as they could have been. But yeah, you had like legit guys who eight no their martial arts and can bring it. And also happening siblings all risk. Well Yeah I mean there's the blood relation, but you know it kind of brings the mind. Also the fact that we were just all somewhat within one or two degrees of separation you know the active community in the film committee of of Asian Americans is pretty, pretty close knit So that was hugely important for us because we just like you say, we don't have a budget, so we can't do with divas. Period like we do not have time to make our days to make our schedule. Anything if anyone has a meltdown or anyone has some type of. Crazy. Demands that just slows everything down. So we were also very diligent number one about casting the part, but also checking around like doing the background checks league checking but and it was easy enough because we just make these. Phone calls for Friends of friends and find out where the chill or they. Cool. Because that was just as important because I think you know as much as we would have loved an actor I honestly saved for us. It was just as important for them to be good and decent as humans and beyond set to work with because the margin of error was so slim on that. On that note I think this is a good time for us to take a break. But when we return, we'll do our favorite segment, the good, the bad and the WF. So stick around we'll be right back. Let's break Hey Brian. Did you go to Saturday school? Can I sure did you totally will our podcast Saturday school? We don't teach a language, but we pass along the culture that we do know and that's Asian American pop culture. He does journalist and I'm a professor and film, Festival, Programmer we've lost a lot of great Asian American movies and we want you to watch them to some listen to us as we look back at the pioneering films that have led us. And we're back all right on the second half of they call US Bruce. This is when we do our favorite segment, our signature segment, the good, the bad and the WPF. Jifang, would you please lay down the rules of the MO? This is this is our own head to head. And it is. As you noted, the singer of our show, it is our round table, our battle royale saying it in which we take topic and we serve it up three different ways. The first is the good of that topic the thing that makes us warm fuzzy happy inside about it, and then the bad, which is the negative, the frustrating the the. The despair about that topic and then finally, Wti F and W his you know they it's often the most interesting around because it's neither good nor bad it really is. It is the thing we're still wondering about the thing that puzzles US or Kinda keeps us going like that a little bit about the topping question and we thought that because you know. Org, into for this as they say. Any. Number of GOP films and maybe a few martial arts films we thought those kind of a good excuse for us to do the good the bad the of. Hitting the middle of your life you know just looking back and looking forward and realizing that those two are starting to get. Even up a little So with that. We want to begin. The Fun by putting in the hot seat. To known for well, of course that you are. Know quite a bit younger than me. You're not close La- midlife yet but. What happened in co kids? Hello fellow kids. Are. So the. When you answer these can be from the perspective of. Things you're feeling yourself. You know even though you're far from having reached that time things you saw onset that you're older cast members and do with or talked about or things. Just you know musings in general what you imagine and like the things that you see from your family and friends who are are hitting that particular window or even just whole notion of kind of realizing that the things you love before are now quantico classics and Old School. Right. which is increasingly happening like. For me when I hear people talking? About stuff that feels like. It just happened yesterday still. But here we are in the middle of my years and bowel. What is the good about reaching the middle of the road were? Oh well. I think the part of the good is that you're starting to reach a certain. Hopefully, we have a certainty about ourselves and we stop. Giving a crap frankly about what other people think are kind of the judgements that we create or imagine that other people might be having about ourselves and we start to have a little bit more confidence about ourselves and just like in decisions that we wanna do and I think I've noticed kind of artistically I'm. Maybe, more crushed you you can call it crushed your but you know a little more set in terms of what I wanted to do artistically and just kinda like well, that's it, and if you're not really onboard than that school, you know you do your thing but I'm just GonNa keep doing my thing whereas maybe earlier years you know you're more of a Puppy eager to please you know you follow this certain notes and then you know you go down that line and then you change your work and then it stops resembling you know what you wanted to do in the first place. So it's a little bit more like honed more developed, more refined about you know who you are and what you want to be. I feel like I can see that not just in. What you're talking about regarding your own work presumably but definitely I, think in the performances like. You look at you look at Ron you know playing him right? He's playing against type not, but he's also leaning into. With very tongue in cheek. Performance around this. Into type right in that I mean, there's like. The funniest. Some of the funniest stuff that happens is when he's he's fighting and realize that the thing he's protecting most is not like his crotch or his torso. Face even. Trying to keep you know he's trying keep his wig on. And stuff like that which I think when you get your meal years you know if you if you have had the kind of successes if moderate successes that these guys have had him and know who you are like you said, it's okay to laugh at yourself. It's totally okay. And I don't think the these characterizations would have worked if these guys weren't comfortable. Playing these roles without having to. Air Quote them you know. Oh, yeah, and they even just like getting ready for you know all the jokes that the their enemies are going to start throwing their waves among the young punks. Carter and stuff like that. They gotta be able to take it. You know in a lot of ways because just going to get personal. We do this twenty you know there's this Improv Exercise that I like to do. Because I'm sadistic but you basically have. To partners pair off, and then you just like to kind of a version of the dozens. But throughout the Mama, it's like talking about you like I'm going to point out everything about you physically. Speech wise. Anything that. Two actors might have just met each other for the first time and they just start picking on first impressions and just start delving into it, and it's a very interesting thing because I don't do it to be mean. But I do it to see where you can see where the borders of where people are starting to go to or where they're willing to go past. And I've noticed in similar to that, it has to do without with aged yonkers. They're kind of little softballs. Like little you and then when they get older, they'll throw like Carter harder fastballs and they laugh at it and it's a very interesting thing when you when you when you see that emotion. absolutely and. I will say it's like. Because we're kind of going through a period in which a lot of things are being revived rebooted and back into the present. It is a pleasure to see these things treated. Respectfully in some ways, you know where the humor comes directly off of the conference on the people of established in in themselves as opposed. That sort of high camp way that people have brought back John Ras rerouted and remade stuff you know and I actually want to. I want invoke something here because when I was watching this I felt really strong. Parallel. Vibes in some ways at least in terms of tone and and contacts with Cobra. Kai. which you know I, mean I love the series and I I, I think that the guys behind it are great and Honestly you know if they have another season coming up. I. Hope My man John Hurts calls out to you and gives you a shot at ED reading couple of episodes because. The vibe just feel so. You know that whole sort of like. Recognizing. You are looking in the mirror and saying, this is who I am. This was was and the own pull. Those two things together is really I think the common ground for both of these and the fact that, of course, no martial arts and all that stuff not to mention that paper tigers also has a direct karate kid. Connection is won miss, your Yuji Okamoto who's producer WHO's a producer? Yeah. So He's he's awesome by the way. I he's like the coolest guy there is rumor actually that in fact, the next season of a Cobra Kai may take the action to Okinawa which. Will. Be. Right. But but yeah, he has sent tastic and of course, he does make a little an appearance in the film which which I also love. Is kind of like that. The Rock for US especially kind of like the ups and downs of the industry in this we going through in having these meetings. So I mean in terms of you know being in the game for so long and just kind of recognizing all the pitfalls and just kind of knowing like the stuff. It's How would you say? There's something it's not hopeless, but there's certain things that just won't change and we just have to recognize certain things about the industry. That's just the way it is. So we have to kind of find another way around it or find her own opportunities. So it's a good way in a lot of ways I think that kind of speaks to that wisdom the older wisdom as far as like knowing who we are and knowing what we're trying to make and not try to be so reactive to every little note that we get from this and US you know. So, I mean usually was huge in driving this project from that point of view as well. Just being are even kill. Awesome. All right. Let me kick it to fill if you WANNA follow up on what the good of getting to the. Middle Is. Well. The thing that is a fact of life is that we all get old. And we we all of us do. But I think the good part of getting to the middle is that. You have a group with which you're doing it together right? no-one no-one ages under owed. Time passes. Which is what makes them movie like the paper, tiger? It's like so enjoyable it's like you know like, Oh this hits me square like I get. I get this and eventually someone else will watch this someone who's younger they'll get older watched us in the bill like, Shit. Man, I, get this you know. And so It's that feeling that like you're in this together like I'm not doing this by myself like I definitely relate to the fact that. Shit hurts a little bit more than it used to. You like just The simplest action is like Oh my God can throw at my back. Relating to the things that like the kids are listening to these days? Doesn't make much sense to that kind of stuff like and the stuff that I got a lot of joy out of you know when I was a kid. you know some of it doesn't age so well or the you know like like another generation of Washington like what the fuck is this like. All that stuff the heartache that comes along with that like well, at least I have a peer group where we get each other in that respect. So that's this movie for me. It's great. It is true. We we all have people along for the ride and I mean photos worth. You know I'm the oldest guy on this call I am the the seafood. Of you young punks. But, it. To me out of flip over to my good. You know. In some ways, maybe just the speed of culture these days but. As much as it's annoying to. To have this sort of nostalgia going on and kind of creeping up on you because people are now nostalgic for stuff that happened like two years ago right now like ten or twenty fifty they're they're they're remaking self that was that was for the first time. It was like you know what? We just I mean there's. No doubt that we are fresh off the boat remake like next year. But at the same time, one thing that that does feel good about it is when you're in the middle, I mean you're priming that age where you know enough to teach you know but are not too old to learn I mean that's that's That's where I am with my my good I'm still doing things that are new I'm still. Breaking new ground in my life. I mean to your point fill it is harder to do new things just because we are older but there's a lot of life in this dog yet right at the same time I've got kids and I've got younger folks who I talked to all the time around me. Who I don't know I mean it feels like I've got stuff to say to them because I've been around for five decades. So that's kind of a good thing it. It definitely feels like. It definitely feels like this is a sweet spot. You know again old school meets just old. I I'm. GonNa Cling to it for a while I'm going to try to to not slip over the edge from Midlife to. Like. Dead And then escalated. Yes well you know it's a it's a it's a time these days. All right. Well, that that takes us through the first round. Now, let's talk about the bad of hitting one's middle years. And I'll kick it off. So obviously the bad. Is. I think the bad to me is mostly about this feeling of missed opportunities right? Because I feel like when you get to this point in your life yeah. You know you're not dead yet and you've got plenty of things can still do but they're certainly things you're never going to be the do I'm I I you know are are things which I don't have enough. Time or or Physical or intellectual capabilities or whatever to do even though I. If I had made different choices earlier, I would have wanted to do them right. I'm never going to get better and certain things that I've always wanted to to do. Right. And a lot of north things which I picked up and. Dropped when I was younger I like my parents tried to get learn musical instruments. I never paid attention to them. Never practised I sucked quit everything and now I look back I'm like I. Really Wish I especially now where we've got a lot of time on our own at home to do something that will be kind of have been. Cool. Yeah, it's it's and it's not that couldn't pick up, but I have other responsibilities. Now it's it just gets harder. So there is that sense of like missed opportunities or or choices that you. It may be the wrong pick on that. You then have to live with. The good thing is we learn from them and and hopefully will learn in time to make better once going forward. But definitely there is there's a very strong sense of what how would things have been different? Had I done this other thing differently When you when you hit this age. Would have been better. Right. Yes. Of course. Stuck on. Damned. That'd be like, no. Anyway, no I I'm very the podcast. One of the things that makes MIDLIFE end warranty in both better. Thank. You for saying that. One up yet. All right about how about yourself? Why that's interesting Jeff I mean I I actually have my echo what you say in the wgn portion and we can pick that up a little bit later. For the bad I think the temptation or if not already the the easy slip into cynicism. Emit something that's a I always have to kind of self check on in a Lotta ways. This movie was kind of. came out of that Inspiration of just getting burned out by the one movies in the industry and stuff like that. This is something that I loved when I was younger and these are something you know was a huge passion and then also at the same time I saw a lot of friends in charts were getting burned out by martial arts and stuff like that. You know when it became a profession or became a job, it'd be it was much different women just doing it younger. Hobby. So you know that was kind of the seat of the movie as well. But you know it's a constant check even after making the movie checking against cynicism and against knowing too much you know. We've seen patterns of behavior and patterns and things, and we we just think that's just going to be the way it is but you know we should always kinda. Hold out some hope as far as some change and I, think it comes from the young people to push US older folks into action and whatnot But yeah, I think it's just That weariness and it's it's earned, but it's not healthy. I wanted to actually note You know I mean this is maybe there's actually where you're GonNa go with your dotiev. I don't think we actually even clarified that this like your first feature film right the first full feature you've done and like you said, it's taken like six years for you to make it right Nine years nine years. County. I mean yeah, it's like. Because when you when you first started out your first film was like acclaimed, right? I. Mean it was it was something that people thought Oh this guy's next guy I don't know it's like. You know it does it does it feel like it's taken a long time to get from there to to hear kind of. It did in I. Think it's a long time but in a Lotta ways, it felt right on time. Exactly. kind of what I was mentioning about the pandemic and just like US rapping should shoot right before you know looking back. It's like well I went. Through, all these different things went to Vietnam to work went to like all those things just made me who I was to where we are today. So I don't miss any of it I don't regret any of it. But yeah if if you're asking me in the moment like that, it's just going to happen tomorrow I'm GonNa make this movie tomorrow but then tomorrow turns into nine years and We are. So it's a weird like through the looking glass type of thing when you're when you're looking back on it but yeah I mean I don't regret and it just it just made me better like I said I, you know worked on my craft and just kept folksy and just focusing on the things that mattered and you know hopefully this people will see and enjoy it so. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Wow well. All right. So that takes us to Phil. Give us your bad. Gives you worse. This is not the worst because there's a good site to this. But definitely, as you get on in years, the circle of people who you are responsible for you're accountable for in our cannibal to you that grows and grows heavier and heavier you know and You know it it affects all areas of your life and the things that you once thought were important and the things that you placed a lot of time energy and that energy becomes thinner and a lot harder to manage and you you know your focus is all over the place. You know you have a family now and The responsibilities have grown. I. I really did hard. I read hard to to Danny in the In the movie not so much because that's much because the martial arts can't do that but. But the things that call on you and the things that are you're you're responsible for the Monday and things that get in the way of kind of accomplishing things that you deem. At one point maybe deemed very important. It pulls away at that right and so your priorities change. For better for worse but. Definitely, that balance that you have to develop an, it's one thing I definitely learned. Would my kid was born was that it wasn't a matter of incorporating her? This new life into my life into me and my wife on our lives you know it was like it blew up my entire life and I had to put it back together again, you don't have. To reform new life around this new situations, not like It wasn't a matter of just being like, how could you fit in with my schedule and my priorities like none? No No. You you you have to start. Oh, you have to rebuild this thing and figure it out from there. So. That was that was a hard lesson. There's still a hard lesson you know and on the flip side, it's like those are the things that matter though. So I'm not complaining. But. It does way heavier on your brain. It does but like I said, it's not that's not. All Bad. By any means right. I mean we do have to reform our lives, but you reformat it and then you you like damn look what you get out of it. You know. It does suck though you know when you have to skip a duel to the death with an evil martial artists because you've got to pick up your daughter from school because. It's like, yeah, there's definitely there's definitely a sense in which you know your party's shift. So in Class I. As Louis all right. We are now on it to our final round the round, and again, this is not good or bad. It is both good both sad neither good neither bad. But basically the that are still thinking about the thing that. Puzzling over still and for this one Phil. Why don't you go first I'll go second BALCON cleanup. Okay. So I'll be watching a TV show or movie or something like that, and then like so at the center is young protagonist. And then the you'll see that the person that this playing their mom is someone I I was like a sex symbol of my vitamin. Other. The MOM, a Mike. A. Okay. I guess I understand like that's what that's what that's how time works but. But. Also, I'm still attracted to that person. The just say. You're talking about. Like. You know like even someone like you know Yuji who's in the UC Okamoto's in the movie like when he was in karate to he's at the peak of his vitality and strength like you know there's a moment in credit to takes off his shirt like damn like. But guys like that get older and now he's playing like the he's playing fathers and grandfathers whatever like you know like you know so I find it. It's so funny that these cult these pop culture like milestones and figures and icons. That once represented like youth vitality. sexiness in are they they have to graduate to to mom roles I'm a what. I'm okay with that. I, guess that's where I have in my life like. Bill Total, Channel Surfing for hot MOMS that's not. Well. Well. I yeah. I I I totally hear you and. I mean. Maybe kind of into my. which I I don't know. Maybe I'll get in trouble for but it's something we've we've talked about we talked a lot about on twitter. But he so here's the thing. Right? We all get older like you said ain't nobody not on that aging bus. But I kind of feel like we don't all grow older at the same speed. And I gotta say this 'cause you know I mean I don't know if you guys have gone back to your family family era, the college reunions right But. Even if you don't I mean you, you can see people on social media whatever and You know how old they are, and you know how old they look and whatever I mean look you know that whole sort of goal don't fold. Black don't crack, but it's like, yeah, you know. I feel like most of the Asian people I know who are my age or your guys age whenever you look different from we looked like twenty years ago thirty years ago. But not that different not not. Not. Like. CRYPT keeper. Somebody else I don't want to. Random thought found it really funny site. You're on your own. Let's. Hanging hanging off the edge. Say say that seriously I feel like the Asian. people in my age range that I see out there I'm men and women I maybe maybe even especially the women right You know it. It blows. My mind that that Magna is you know, is it my my peer and she's still freaking Crushing it as an action star. She looks fantastic. You know we mentioned Tamblyn can't not mentioned Hamlin because she. Always has always will look. Up, but they also they just haven't lost a step in. Yeah I mean I feel like it's it's kind of a cool thing that that is not universally true but but it feels like. Asian folks in our age range. Tend to. Tend to sort of have fended off a the wind a little bit when it comes. So care scared good scheme. moisturised like hell son Sunscreen on. So anyway all right before I did my whole any deeper? Like all my classmates from college and be like talking about what the? Wasn't year yeah not. Not. You just not talking about. All right. Then, let's close it off. You tell us when your w chef is I. Know you've got one winning your back pockets. Yeah. Let me check Who else do we need to offend? Year. Might Might Jeff is I feel like it related to what you're bad was maybe it's a indicator of our difference in as you know, you're a little bit ahead in and I'm seeing it a coming into the you know the horizon here, and then you're already calling a bad while I'm still struggling and trying to understand what it is as WPF's APPs that's very interesting. It's I guess it's a little bit of that like how much more time is there left and. Not In a morbid way, but in a way to try to make you decide. What you want to do with that time and like I said you know. I didn't think I would spend this much time making my first feature, and yet here we are a decade has gone by as so now you're kinda checking yourself like what else do I don't WanNa do what other stories you I wanNa tell and I think I still have a lot of you know road to hoe here but. It's still just also thinking ahead just like the time that it would take to develop projects the time that it takes the nurture you know it does take a lot of you know. A bandwidth of your attention. So it's also kind of being more. Selective and Choosey. Whereas younger you're like I'll do this I'll do that. Fires in your. All these things in the fire and then just go on I was just watching you know David Foster's. Documentary The other day and I think he he was saying you know he he thinks of in a way is like how many summers do I have left? You know I have any busy said I think I have like twelve summers left. So the documentary kind of follows him trying to kind of go for the for a Broadway show I think he's trying to go for you know he's made all his accolades and music and whatnot but Broadway still that one thing that he still wants to Kinda like climbing achieved but Yeah. Just hearing it said you know how many summers you have left is kind of. A Nice gentle reminder and I don't I don't I don't I don't take it as know super morbid or anything but it's just kind of like what you want to do with those the sun you know, what do you want to do with the? That type of season in. So it's a yeah it's just being more picky more choosy, but more decisive as well about the things to do and I think you know hopefully it'll. It's a good filter to weed out. So. Only good movies and good stories from here on out. Guys this. One. just maybe I made a pact with the devil or something. They have Asian Skin Care Regiment on longer. Yeah I mean you know we want to try our best, but we only have so much time left. So there's a little that. I think Legrand, you've made up pretty great mark with this film the Paper Tigers as we've already said, we've gushed about it's it's a great awesome fun movie. That everyone should go see that said, how can people watch the paper tigers? Ooh, well if you're in the US. You'll be having several opportunities. There's a couple film festivals that be streaming to the US You'll have to stay tuned for the official announcement, but upcoming is our US premiere at the Elliott Asian. Pacific Film Tussle. It's. GonNa be what we call go fencers I guess we can only allow the streams to southern California and then we'll have our New York premiere, which is to the strike Tristate set Connecticut Jersey New York with Asian Cinema Vision Than the Asian American International Film Festival out there. So fleeing next. Thursday or I don't know when this Arizona October first. Is when we have that streaming window for us, and then we'll have some other opportunities down line but. Easiest thing to do is just paper tigers movie, Dot Com, and then you'll be able to track all our our news also the paper Tigers Dot Com. Tigers Movie Dot Com retirement movie, Dot Com, but we can pay for it. Yeah. We can pay for the euro. That's the movie. How can people connect with you? Bow I think they can find me on the that website with the social handles I'm not I'm not too great with the social stuff. But. Yeah. You can find me on on twitter and facebook and not. Probably the best ways just again to the website or Google I think you can just google. Just just Google Beltran threw. Only one of you, right so. A. Google bound movie 'cause you might have some other results. May Be water over there so he would. Follow him. Maybe he's more interesting. You should follow him. Saying how about yourself? You can find me. At original spin. And you know just clinging desperately to the remainder of my son's at years somewhere. and. We're getting to a point where we have to actually has to end. We walked around with sunshine and like dance or something because. The longer we're we're trapped inside the Moore's can be like. Welcome to another episode. Kid All right, how about you feel where can people find you? You can find me at angry Asian man on social media and on anger each man dot com you can also find the cost Bruce, add their calls reuss on social. Media. and. If you feel so inclined to podcasts, give us a rating five stars would be preferable or review. It helps people find the show man of the. Heard me say it many times if you've been listening and it really does help people find the show. That does it for this episode of they call spruce about Tran. Thank you so much for your time man I really appreciate it and thanks this movie had a blast. Thanks for having me. Right, everybody until next time piece. By piece. You've been listening to they call US Bruce with Jeff Yang and Phil You, our theme music by cure. Our producer is Nick Song. They Call Bruce is a member of the POTLUCK podcast collective between unique voices and stories from the Asian American community. Find out more podcast hotline dot. com. And thanks for listening.

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Episode 98: They Call Us Renee Tajima-Pena

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Episode 98: They Call Us Renee Tajima-Pena

"Hello and welcome to another edition of they. Call US Bruce. An unfiltered conversation about what's happening in Asia America. I'm feel you and Jeff Yang and here we are again bringing you prime quality content in the era of Corona virus. And we have with us today. A very special guest. Somebody wanted to talk to for quite a while. In fact I actually think we reached out to you to do an episode. While you were in Japan. We were not able to late with little late the time bad but now we're on the same state the same city and in our respective houses. And that's why we're the lighted have with US rented Taj Pinna film director producer. Welcome thank you icon and one of my personal heroes. So yeah and a friend and we should say the a series producer of a an ethics series epic documentary series coming out on PBS. Very shortly called Asian Americans we that. Yeah simple straight. To the point we spend a lot of time trying to figure out a title. But we always say we're that what what were the alternate maybe less generic titles out this series. My favorite was invasive species Hornets. Now's the murder that if we were to form like a softball league I would love. I love our team to be the murder horns yeah nobody wanted invasive species for some reason so why and it's actually a very evocative term one which I'm sure Kind of relevant to the state of Asian American today increasingly feels like that's how people see us. Yeah so some people would get the title right away drawing kind of the wrong audience. I imagine but let's talk about the series. How did how to begin because this is a big deal? This is something which I think goes deeper and broader than any other attempt to document the history and the presence of our our community and culture. Ever well you know. It's something that we've been wanting to do for a long time at Lonnie. Dang who's like the Godmother of Documentary Asian American documentary? Filmmaking actually did ancestors in America she wanted it to be a series. That was never a full series. I mean there are different attempts. I even wrote. I think it was in the one thousand nine hundred eighty nine a whole treatment on Asian American history that we could just never get off the ground so around two thousand thirteen Jeff Bieber from Weeda. That's the flagship. Pbs Station that the they all the Ken Burns stuff and he approached me. And Don Young from the Center for Asian American Media and said you know he had done Latino Americans in Italian Americans and I think Jewish-americans and he said well. Do you WANNA do Asian Americans and we said. Yeah we've been wanting to so we got off the ground. It feels like it's really timely for this to be happening now. That certainly was not planned right. It's like Oh we're going to do this and release it right in the middle of a moment to win these states last summer the broadcast states. It's it's it's weird because well I mean you could have dropped this series at any time. I mean a heritage month of course is great but any year a doug ministries like this has always been sort of like necessary in in in you know like welcome but just given the circumstances. I feel like especially now watching it Watching the series another preview. I you know it just feels like wow. This is covering history. is very important. Asian American history but we are right now living some very important Asian American history that someone else is going to make a documentary about down the line you know so. It's so weird to see this. I think because so much of it is so relevant to what's going on right now but it keeps on happening over history. I mean one thing when in part of the series episode five we revisit the Vincent Chin case and via tend to win the novelist. Said you know when Vincent Chin that murder happened. Asian Americans weren't shocked because it was something new because they knew it was something old it an old story and when we looked at that history I mean even before this whole corona virus crises. It was like we kept on saying. Is this now? You know because if you look at all the fault lines of race and Immigration and xenophobia you look at all those fault lines they erupt. You know in times of crises and war to erupt did You know the McCarthy period is erupted. Nine eleven in erupted now the recession. That's in Chen. It erupted and so it was bound to happen at some point. It just happened. You know right now this year you know. It's not just that it happens randomly or even cyclically. There's a certain sense in which in looking back at this history one of the things that seems pretty apparent is that this kind of xenophobia. This kind of Anti Asian backlash in particular happens right when it feels like Asian Americans are becoming more prominent more successful more visible in some fashion. And certainly we talk. We've talked about this a couple times. Nowadays N- episodes it really does feel like while we were far from solving all problems and all of our our issues through representation ability. There was a bit of a moment right you the A row Christians. Fresh off the boat there was a whole world of things that seem like they were finally happening. I A little bit and then boom here we are once again being told that we are the invasive species the myrtle but you can look at it you know. Another way is set. Means were more empowered to defend ourselves and we are. We're more empowered to defend ourselves. I mean I watched tiger tail and then I see time leading the wash the hate campaign to you know. Bring attention to the all the anti-asian hate that's going on now. So He's got that platform people know who he is. And I mean it kind of burst our bubble because all these things like you said. We're we're really on this role but at the same time it just. We just have more visibility now. I mean I've been saying this. I've said this multiple times last couple of weeks since we've been recording all these episodes in in quarantine but I think what's going on right now with Asian Americans in this country it goes to show that You know you can work towards Having some level of success and visibility representation and all that but I feel like all that is very tenuous and conditional and I mean the powers us right but I feel like if you're looking for sort of some sort of validation from outside outside voices to say that we've arrived or where you know. We have a some level of success in privileged. Like that stuff is that can be pulled out from US. Mike that right and so I mean. We saw this coming like three months ago. Right so marker race. Yeah yeah is it ever J.J. and so but I do agree that like we are positioned now to you know. Be in a place where we can. We can raise our voices a little bit louder and stand up little bit taller and say like fuck all this man. Let's say that I mean it's it's it goes back to and we. Everyone has their moment right. Not everyone is on the same page about how to react to these things for me. Like I WANNA take it back to Vincent in case that's something I didn't know about until I was like it was almost twenty years effort happened. I learned about it because of your film who kills it's Chin. I still maintain. It's like one of the most influential pieces of media I've ever seen in my life because not because I was shocked about learning about the case. Of course I was but because it felt so like I felt it I felt how Like learning about it made me realize like like made me feel all the things that. I felt my whole life like way like you know I made been made to feel like I didn't belong in. This country had been threatened with violence before called names or whatever and like is that recognition. You know what I mean and seeing that sort of Play out in a way that I never but that no one had ever showed me before that. I think that's that's right there. You know I think like the Detroit. Asian Americans had never been really political during that time and I think a lot of them on the surface thought. Yeah I'm I've made it. I'm the model minority. I have a good job and I'm accepted. And but I think people underneath really know what's going on because they've lived it and with something like the Vincent in case happens is just Kinda hits them in the face and they have to respond so no. It's it's always been. I mean when we were doing this history one hundred fifty years of Asian American history and I know when we delivered our shows the suits at PBS. Were kind of they said. Oh this is not what we're suspended expecting. I think I think it was. You know this this idea that Asian Americans are a model minority is run so deep so I think people look at Asian Americans and expect while they're going to be like the Italian Americans German Americans but just with black hair you now. Just they've you know as immigrants they face them adversity. They pull themselves up by their bootstraps. And then you know they are paying. They build these big buildings or they succeed But the marker of race which is what we're talking about you know that does not go away and that's America. That is the rot in America and has been since the beginning and it is everything. We're seeing now. Anti-asian hate the fact that you know. People of color particularly African. Americans Latinos Native Americans Pacific Islanders. I mean the statistic was was it seventy percent. The Corona virus cases are in those groups. I mean it was like crazy statistic. But it shouldn't surprise. I guess any of US. Because that is those inequalities the racism. You know that's always been there. That's the those fault lines is. What would you say that the expectation was that it was going to be a little bit more of like an Asian American hagiography like this? Is You know how far we've come. These are a notable individuals the personalities who we celebrate that sort of thing. No they just didn't know about this history at all. I think a lot of Asian Americans because I make films like who killed Vincent Chin and a lot of Asian Americans themselves will say oh how come you're not telling the success stories in autumn. You're always talking about problems and I would say it's like you win. A union like the Filipinos who started the grape strike and helped launch the United Farm Workers Cesar Chavez in the sixties. You win a union. That's a success story to me. I mean if you look down the line I mean sure one can mark who in the late eighteen hundreds Chinese restaurant worker? He was a US citizen because he was born here. He gets you know. He has denied re entry into United States. Because he's Chinese. This was the middle of Chinese exclusion. And so he goes to the Supreme Court and he goes to the Supreme Court wins and from that point on anybody who's born in this country even if you're parents are undocumented immigrants like my friend parents if you're born in this country you have birthright citizenship. That's my parents are citizens because of that. I think that the that's one of those things that even those of us who have gone through you know Solid Education SORT OF CIVIC oriented education learn social studies and history and middle school and high school and then gone on to even take courses in ethnic studies in college or ethnic studies at Jason type stuff. Certain colleges don't quite have ethnic studies major yet as we know. But these aren't the things that actually get highlighted right the role of of Asian Americans in something as central as the blood. You know this sort of the the blood birthright of being American the native the native citizenship being a sort of preserved right in this country isn't sending that really gets taught in the context of our history and yet it's a critical part of our history. Not Just for Asian Americans with for all Americans and it's one that's super threatened right now right now we literally have people in charge of this nation who want strip that away so yes. We shouldn't talk about. I teach Asian American studies at UCLA. And it's embarrassing. How little I knew. I'm being when I went back. I mean don't tell anybody with my colleagues because Dr Ahead filmaker would you expect but I mean you know. People are worried now about naturalization and I kept on thinking well that's a new thing but in fact South Asians back in the nineteen twenties were who had citizenship here were denaturalized. I mean they were because of the got sing tin case by God sing. Tin Was an immigrant from India and he was actually a World War One veteran I mean he fought he served for the US military in World War One so he was given citizenship for. Maybe four days or something like that. But then they reversed it because he was Indian Dan so he also went to the US Supreme Court and the only thing he can argue back then was while. I'm I'm white because I'm Caucasian because I guess that's the region or whatever and the Supreme Court decided. Yeah you're Caucasian but you're not white but you sure ain't white not white so no no no. You can't have citizenship. So he was naturalized. And then all the South Asians with citizenship were then de-naturalize and when you're denaturalized. You don't only lose the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. Like your property you lost your property. I mean it was. Just you know as heartbreaking the case of cutting thin is it's so interesting because it's like it confirms very like on the Supreme Court level. Whiteness is like why disease it's racist such a construct in that in the in the most sort of You know those like constitutional way that they've like defined it. You know what I mean like. You're definitely not white. We need to confirm that like you're not the common man's definition of white. Yes I think what's What's also a deeper structure aspect of? This is that speaks to the uncomfortable role that as I have played throughout history And especially in the present day right that we have been seen in some ways as a kind of like The stopgap other right uh-huh our yeah the wedge or the fill in or you know the standings for various things I I'm thinking here of the earliest immigrants. The United States as a Chinese United States specifically and Japanese as well it were brought here in part because there was a need for labor after After black slaves were free right so there was this sudden. Shortfall of people to do heartbreaking work at very low pay and they decided that it was cheaper instead of to hire black people to actually import people from across oceans right and that instantly set up a narrative for us to be seen as kind of the replacement minority and overtime. We've we've had this kind of pushing pull in terms of where we belong. How adjacent perhaps to whiteness and blackness. We belong or whether we belong here at all right because that's as we began this conversation. Talking about a cyclic thing where it seems like American decides. We don't belong so I you know one of the things I think about. This documentary series is how well that that subtext kind of plays out in in the way that the narrative has been framed. And when you're trying to do one hundred and fifty years of history you have to actually will. You can't tell all of it. It's really not in real time. So how did you decide what to include and whatnot? They're just so much right. You've got yeah you've got five episodes. And then the and the whole of Asian America. Yes so so. What do you do and as you know? Country Music got thirteen hours. Five hours hundred Fifty Years American history. How many how many hours did baseball in the civil war? I well Vietnam workout seventeen or something like that. But I mean that's that's fine a deserved it. But you know countries excessive. Yeah it's because it's television from the very beginning. I mean the generally these kinds of history series. They start at the dawn of time or when the first Asian American came here. Something like that but because it's television and you have to have you know. Keep an audience engaged. I said now. Let's start when there's pictures and moving images if possible moving images because it's visual storytelling. And I didn't want to go into museum just pan around paintings you know or do like re-creations that we'd have no budget for and we do like Schlocky re-creations so and to me it's you know even if you just look at one hundred years of Asian American history. It's jam packed so I said let's just start when there's pictures and also hopefully where there's people still alive. Who either you know late. Eighteen hundreds still alive who was there but maybe descendants of people who were part of shaping that history or assist that history or people who have a direct connection to it I also didn't want you know. Just all the talking heads. To be scholars asian-american historians are great. And actually our historians really great because of them have a connection to the history themselves. I mean like Eric Elite or Gordon Chang near the families came in the eighteen hundreds. I mean they're multi generational so they're really invested in the story but I wanted to also include family members descendants people. I don't think history has to be from the top down. History is really told by you. Know it's told by all of us. It's passed down by all of our mothers and fathers grandparents so that that was. That was another decision. The other thing is low for most of maybe like the first one hundred years or whatever. Asian Americans were mostly just Chinese Japanese and Filipino. So that dominates a lot of the arrows in Asian American history. But now you've got dozens and dozens and dozens of different nationalities Asian Americans are just really diverse. We wanted to get a sense of that diversity. But then we knew that it's not gonNa be possible but we at least wanted to cover the main groups so maybe you could talk a little bit about some of the things you do cover in the series right so you can't cover everything. I know that you drill down into some really interesting stories Oh Yeah let's see. Let me think about some stories that are I mean the one thing in episode one. Which is the early history that was directed by Leo Chang the filmmaker and he actually started episode with the story of Filipinos which I think people would expect. I think people would expect out. It's going to be Chinese Japanese story from the eighteen. Hundreds early nineteen hundreds but he started with the story of a young Filipino kid. At that time he was like you know. I eleven or twelve or something who was brought to the Saint Louis. World's fair in one thousand nine hundred four with over a thousand other Filipinos to be displayed in the human zoo mean this was in the middle of the. Us had colonized the Philippines and to justify the colonization. They were putting forward. This idea that you know that there are so called. Little Brown brothers. They're savages and and they need us to govern them so this world's fair display was kind of like that justification and there was this whole all these anthropological exhibits that were supporting this idea of eugenics and racial hierarchy and You know all the scientific racism at the time but this kid and terro actually turn the experience around and he used it to learn English. Find a way to make money and he ended up getting married to another Filipina woman who was on display. They had the US born child because of Watkin Mark Child was a US citizen and he was able to go back and forth between the US in the Philippines and now one branch of his family who we talked to in in Maryland with. They live in Maryland and they still. They were eager up from the Pontiac region. They are still real like proponents of Of the heritage and the culture and and they were I mean a lot of people look at the Filipinos who were displayed as victims but his granddaughter. Who We talked to me was really insistent. She said No. You got to look at the Philippines. Were not stupid so you really have to look at their agency of how they they took that experience took you know what was happening to them and they turned it around so So that was the beginning but the I mean the if you take immigration xenophobia for example some one thing the historian Eric Harley said and it kind of blew my mind when she framed it this way she said you know. Asian Americans were the first undocumented immigrants and I knew about the Chinese exclusion act but I never quite made that connection and in fact. Yeah Asian Americans were the first undocumented immigrants but this this one really moving story was Kinda young you who? It's actually the mother of Jessica Yu the filmmaker the director and Connie's grandparent's her grandfather was born in the US because his father had been a a Chinese immigrant railroad worker so he looked grandfather was born in the US. The Grandmother was an immigrant and after the grandfather died suddenly at a young age they had been in China on a visit and when her grandmother and all the kids tried they returned to the US. The grandmother was kept on Angel Island and she was told a widow. So now you no longer have legal status and she was kept on Angel Island for fifteen and a half months and she had all these young kids. Us born kids. She was separated from her kids and she would have to like Connie's mother would have to go to Angel Island and try to wave to her from a window and I kept on thinking about you know the detention camps on the southern border and the family separation. Today so what's the the the continuity of xenophopia the continuity of the dehumanisation of people of color is just so striking. But then you fast forward to one of the were recent stories the first dream her the young immigrant who who inspired the Dream Act was her a Korean immigrant to recently. She was born in Brazil and at a very young age. I think she was two. Her family is immigrated a second time to Chicago and she at one point her when she was just still a kid. Her father sat down and said we have a secret. You can't tell anybody where undocumented and he told her you know if people find out me and your mother can be deported back to Korea. You'll have to be sent back to Brazil where you were born and your little brother who was born in. Chicago would just ended up in foster care I mean. Can you imagine a kid being told that and so she just grew up afraid terrified that the family would be broken apart. And she actually. She had a mentor. She was very talented musician. Pianist and her mentor introduced her. To Dick Durbin the senator from Illinois and he and Orrin Hatch surprise surprise Republicans. Senator cosponsored the I dream act so I had no idea before I started this project. That an Asian American in was the inspiration for the Dream Act. I didn't either and I think really speaks to something which I have thought about. Even as you talked about the the prior installments. You know the Italian Americans Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera which by extracting out the singular stories or the perceived similar stories of a single race or ethnicity. It includes the ways in which we are interwoven in other people's stories and that must be frustrating to a certain extent right. I mean it's hard enough to actually tall hundred fifty years of our history. But then when you think about it. One Hundred Years of our history occurred along with one hundred years of everybody else's and I guess when you when you look back at this worth work. What are some of the things that you wish? You could more deeply into but just didn't have the space time or resources for well. I think because of the nature of a series like this usually I make you know like one story ninety minutes long so we had to pack a lot more characters into each hour So I think looking at you know trying to trace like anyone of these people with their families just expand on their stories. I would've loved to have done that. But we really hope that somebody will take the stories and run with it and you know. Make one hour or feature length documentary or A scripted film about any one of these stories was the one of the early immigrants we looked at is there were these Muslim silk traders who immigrated in the late eighteen hundreds and because of anti miscegenation laws they married African American women in Harlem Detroit New Orleans where they settled and this one person we looked at MC Saad Ali who settled in New Orleans. Married a woman from trae named L. A. Blackman and had a family and one of his kids are do Ali and we couldn't get to do story just ran out of time for but Bardu. Ali became like a big band leader in Harlem in New York because the family had followed the great migration from the South Up to New York and he was. I think it was the big bandleader for Chick Webb. He discovered elephants Gerald and then he came to Los Angeles and he was the manager for Red Fox. The comedian great story. So somebody's gotTa do that. It's really cool. I think that because of the way words schooled in the way is this just the way that Asian American histories todd. We don't get any of this right. I mean it's just we think people think that Asian American history begins like thirty years ago or something like you know. It's it's a but it's chock full of these really interesting great stories that The people can make an entire feature film out of you know I also think about how when people make period feature films and television shows were like Asian Americans are always like left out. Lift out of people. Think it's so white would be in that in this time period but like I think it goes to show like Asians were all up in that space. And they're all there's plenty of stories to be told we should populate these universes right well even more recent stuff I mean I. I always seen these films about alternative independent lefty films about like the Berkeley Strike or the San Francisco State Strike Search. And you never see an Asian face but I knew because I knew people. I knew asian-americans were there and were big part these strikes but they just didn't you know I thought either. They've turned the camera way or all. The Asian Americans are on the cutting room floor. I mean but we that was gray. Slee directed one of the episode the episode with the San Francisco State Strike and she actually found footage and photos of the Asian Americans. Who Were there? And who were like at the center of the strike but we really had to dig for evidence that we existed at the time. All right well. This is a good time for us to take a break but when we return we'll do our signature segment the good the bad and the WF so stick around. We'll be right back but we're still here and we're going strong. It's an exciting time. Asian America there are more movies. Tv shows books and music reflecting us than ever but all of these represent just a small slice of Asian American culture and experiences. So what do we do tell more slices Asian Americana is a show that explores these slices distinctly culture history? We've talked about how Chinese Americans built California Sacramento Delta. The Art Scene Gallery institution giant robot. A play that explores the loss Cambodian pop music of the Sixties and Seventies. And of course Boba just to name a few stories you find Asian American Asian Americana Dot Com or on your podcast APP up proven and we're back all right on the second half they call spruce we do our favorite segment our signature saying the good the bad and the WF Jiffy Yang. Would you please lay down the ground rules? The rules of engagement as we say yes. We will So this is our round table segment where we invite our guest tonight. We participate ourselves to discuss a particular topic three different ways. The first way is the good the positive the warm fuzzy. The is the negative of that topic. the bad. You know the things that make us feel You know less than right and make us angry or sad or a little desperate about that particular topic but then finally the third and sometimes the most interesting around the deputy f. It's really more about the lingering questions. We still have things puzzling about that topic or that. We're still reflecting on and given the nature of this episode and the incredible documentary series that renting oversaw we actually thought that it'd be kind of interesting cake a very broad angle topic and say let's have ray talk about the good the bad and the he F- of being Asian Americans. That's easy only cover about one hundred year. Yeah wow but it'll it'll be interesting because I think that there are a lot of ways in which one can answer each of these rounds and I think given the perspective you have. It'll be very interesting to hear what you have to say. So we'll just have you do at this time. I think in the interest of time and and also your unique tease now and we'll begin with the good. So Rene we share with us. What your tickets on the good of being Asian Americans and before before he jumped and actually I might add. We debated this little bit right. We said we're going to do being Asian American or being Asian Americans and Phil noted that there's a bit of a subtlety right that when you actually talk about this from the from the plural noun as posted the adjective. It's a bit of a different read. It feels like it's talking about something different real so yeah well. I think there's when you say Asian when you say Asian American. I think we're thinking more in terms of an adjective but when you think of Asian Americans. There's a collective sense of community of belonging to something more and what what what what does that mean right. It was the good the bad. And W Jeff of being part of this label Asian Americans and so in honor of the title of the series of this epoch series. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA challenge. Yeah Yeah I like that idea of the plural the collective. Because I think that's the great thing about being Asian American. I mean it's always I always feel sorry for people who don't have a specific identity. It's like I mean we have each other. You know we have all these organizations and with our organ and like everytime Asian Americans do anything whether it's like putting on a rally or you know a meaning whatever it's always over food and drink we'll do that but Asian Americans like really do that. It's like we even see each other less. We'RE GOING TO BE EATING OR DRINKING. Except for those people would get rid. They don't drink but there is like the sense of you know we have each other. It's really great. I've sometimes I I have friends who are not connected to like a specific. You know like they're not LGBT or they're not a certain kind of nationality or whatever and they're not oppressed group and they don't have their people so they have everybody else. I guess the White House and the Senate just my way of I guess you know justifying my existence. Miserable existence hardly miserable. But I think you're right in some ways right and I actually feel. I mean when you say people who don't have a quote community. I mean we'll have some sort of community but in in terms of the specifics of the kind of community that we're creating because Asian Americas is is an invention to a certain extent right it's an act of creation and and political thinking by a group that in many cases doesn't necessarily have intrinsic reason to to cluster a collaborate form community. I think that's one of the things most interesting about it. And I say this is somebody who has migrated from New York to Los Angeles right or New York to California where it's different right and you've made you kind of made that journey to write or even just the East Coast in general right you know. Let's say Boston or other cities on the east coast coming from there to here in Los Angeles. It's so different in New York. For instance you can talk about Asian Pacific American heritage month and get blank stares left and right you can still get that sort of a California sometimes do but here at least like there are. There's enough of a critical mass of people such that it makes sense to use some of these terms and To assume that they'll be something to do to somewhere to go a place to connect with during the entirety of the month of May more or less and that's not the case in many other places and I agree absolutely. I think that that's another great thing about being Asian American more likely. You Land Somewhere. You can find your people. And they'll open their arms for. I mean when I landed I grew up here and I went back to the East Coast for college but then I moved to New York after college. And you know it's like within a week. I was having dinner with coach. Amaze with Urine Bill Coaching Alma. Of course you're invited everybody to have dinner with them but it's with anybody can go but there are billing aries. I think in every town and I know that like young filmmakers. They come from wherever they come they come to L. A. And they contact me or they contact grace sir. You know the contact wanted to the visual communications or they'll contact center for Asian American media. I mean there's always a you know there's always the pod in any city. Sometimes it's the big pod like Los Angeles you know. Sometimes it's a little one like Atlanta or Houston. I guess those aren't really little. They're pretty big. But I think you can always find your people. I don't disagree with that. I feel like it's it. It's more like whether you look or whether you you sort of find by just walking around and stumbling over stuff is a little bit different. But that said there's no question that that that feeling of belonging has been such a huge part of my adult life and it is absolutely reason I am proud to be among asian-americans when I'm when I'm when I'm with my people when I'm with you guys. I want to go back to something you said about the maybe this sort of east coast west coast or whatever like California. Because I'm because I grew up I grew up. I'm west coast through and through right. I grew up on this on this side of the coat of the country. And would you say that I mean would you say that being Asian American is more more or less meaningful like a outside of California or these places? I don't know I just don't understand like the Here's what I okay. Here's what I know. The people in say like New York for Asian American and they embrace this Asian American identity. It because they because they gotta because the because it's because they're you know it's it's It's like a different kind of a assault on the identity of being Asian American and I don't know like I might get some flak for saying this but I feel like East Coast Asian. Sometimes they're like the most the angriest fishing Hawaiian Asian Asians. I think that's the different because a lot of Asians on the east coast are from here anyway. So they're not really from there except for I that actually there are a lot of new generation that yeah I mean? So here's what I'd say. I think the West Coast had more more extensively developed Po second-generation communities than the East Coast. And that makes a difference. I think also On the West Coast This sort of that sense of pan. Asian commonality has maybe had a little bit more time to take root on the east coast. You still have a lot of people who are you. Know a generation away if even a generation away from immigration and so the term Asian American doesn't necessarily mean as much as like Chinese American Koreans and create American Indian American etc. But I I will say of the angry part. That could just be New York people even time to. I mean I know the one thing I noticed about moving back as people in New York are never leave their office. Before seven o'clock I mean never and then here it's like everybody's gone by six or seven o'clock so we have more time to have community west coast because we have to be traffic That's right yeah. Yeah we're in our cars but let's let's be real things are going to be different now. I kind of feel like whatever comes out of this. I think the whole notion that time is a social construct has become a little bit more abby A reality all right. So let's move on to the second round which is a little tougher. What's bad what is the bad of being Asian Americans and this is like maybe a tough one but I do think I mean there are certainly things that spring to mind to me. Oh yeah now at again. I'm like my generation. I'm not young anymore so I grew up. I can remember so many times in my life even when I was like you know into like being an Asian American filmmaker and activist and thinking God. I wish our white it would just be so easy. You know it'd be easier to raise money. I mean it would just be easier to have a career. I could just make fun movies. You know I wouldn't feel compelled to make movies about you know social problems and because I make movies when something pisses me off and if you're Asian American if you're a person of color you know something's always going to Piss you off because it's so much injustice so I yeah I think about that. I used to think about that a lot. Now I think because things are changing because it's just it's cooled the Asian American now even though the racists like the Kong flew Chinese virus people. Don't think so. I think it's I feel that way. I don't feel that way anymore because you know a long time ago. Actually I think from the Times Asian started coming here but I know in my experience as a filmmaker. We just decided while we're excluded were pushed out so we're going to create your own institutions. We'll create our own genre and that's really come to fruition. So you see like with the big budget you know crazy rich. Asians and Master OF NONE. Mindy cabling in her new show and fresh off the boat and all these. You know huge things that are happening in the mainstream but you also see it with alternative spaces with documentaries. Independent films We we started. It was actually Lille Chang and Grace Lee were the call them the parents of eight Dr Asian American documentary network. And that was started to just be this. You know. Force the mentors for younger Asian American documentary. Filmmakers advocate for the whole field and within it was formed in two thousand sixteen. When you know a lot of things reformed the it was actually before trump was elected but really gained steam after trump's election and just within a few years know we have hundreds and hundreds of members. I mean it's really amazing. I know I'm supposed to talk about the shitty stuff but Out of all the the shit show always comes. You know the garden. I yeah fertilizer and the garden. That seems that's profound. I mean I that we're not. We're not sort of throwing in our own. That is me meaningful but I will say that you know a lot of the the bad that comes out of when when I associated badness with age America being Asian part of I guess Asian-americans Asian-american Community to me. A lot of it has to do with the way that the very term Asian Americans right feels like it. Flattens out right even mentioning that. That sort of list of different cultural touchstones. Even every single. One of those is just one out of so many different stories and each and every one of the ones you listed has had lots of AS Roma's of obviously celebrating but also saying you know what I love it. It doesn't quite really kind of fit me. It doesn't really reflect exactly who I am and yet at the same time you know. You made the point. The beginning like country music. It's thirteen hours. We get five and that's still the reality. We can't tell all of our own stories and we can't be seen with all of our diverse glory because we're still kind of seen as being A little behind country music or you know I mean failure Korean. I'm Japanese you. Think like the people saying go back to China are GonNa make that distinction. You don't know who the hell we are. I mean if we if we really had the if people truly give a shit like to the to the maximum degree which we really wished you know. This wouldn't just be asian-americans right. We'd have a whole series about Korean Americans about Chinese Americans. You know in and people would be interested. We wouldn't have to jam it all into one to five hours of one hundred fifty years of history of all of these communities into five hours right so that is definitely one of the sort of that is that is the bad part of jamming us. All into one umbrella term right There was a Chinese Americans series. That's right I think there was like one Asian on that team. Yeah I distinctly remember Helen. Zia was in that. Yeah I always joke cause that left an impression on me that serious. I watched it. I wish I always laugh Bill moyers his southern accent. So every time you would say Chad Knees. I knew Chinese racist what he says. It's like trump China triggered just pisses off for China. Oh it's exactly right. Yeah like kind of a body part can I? Can I point out that even even literally? Today I was looking at this new ad that was released by the trump super PAC right The latest salvo in xenophobic hysteria. Boosting from the trump campaign. Or at least you know trump supporters and they were going on about how China's killing Americans and so forth and they had a an image in which they showed an airline talking about how trump you know was head of the game and trying to block ban all travel from China and the airline was China Airlines and China. Airlines is not is not actually. The airline of the people are China. It's time it's Taiwan as area but obviously no one gives a shit over there. They see the word China China China right and they just slap it on there and it underscores again that that erasure against that the term Asian Americans with the idea of Asian records sometimes allows right. I mean I don't care whatever. They called us we. We're all big orientals to them anyway. But the fact that they they so blithely substitute agents for asian-americans Taiwanese for Chinese Chinese for Koreans. Crean's for what is like because there I mean. It's being racial allies. So they're not looking at China as being a nation state they're they're not portraying it as a nation state of they're not whipping up. You know all this hatred for Chai against China's a nation state. It's this racial group Chinese and the racial group Chinese encompasses. Anybody who you know looks Chinese or who looks Asian. So I think that's what they're and and you know the problem is I mean there's much to criticize of China? And you know the way they. I suppress information in you. Know among their own people about the corona virus. I mean there's there's criticism there but it's you know it's just become completely racial is and it's a distraction from the utter failure and incompetence and mismanagement and the kleptocracy. That's kind of you know. Guided this whole administration's response to the corona various epidemic iming. That's the bad. That's the bad and the deputy. Yes well we want to squeeze in one more. Wfan there so have we been talking about yet not yet but that definitely does stretch over into territory. But let's close this one off with You know the dumped being Asian Americans and here I mean. Obviously you've just gone through one hundred fifty years of history and Ben this epic mini series documentary. And yet I'm sure there's still questions you have that having been answered here so curious to you to ask you what what in your wisdom is still of being asian-americans what the fuck of being yes. Let's let's uncensored okay. I don't know I mean I'm just can you explain what you're going with with the WTO. I think mostly it's. It's really still like the lingering questions the thing that's sort of puzzle. Us Right What's that all about kind of and I think from your perspective? Having seen so many hours of footage some images hurt some of these stories. Is there anything that still to you? Kind of hustling or or odd. You're not yet resolved in your head. I guess after all that in uh the funny thing is when I think about the history and the current moments my. What's the fuck is going from here? I really that's my question and I think that Ohio know what they think I mean you know. I have some optimism because I'm deluded so my optimism is I mean. I have never seen people so galvanized as in this past couple of months people are really like a Asian Americans just looking at our own community. I mean as soon as this whole Kong flew China. Virus thing started. People started to organize. You know the the wash the hate campaign and they started to collect data and they're you know holding people to the fire and and speaking out and telling their stories and you know screaming at the government and so it's been you know the level of organization and consciousness is like something I haven't seen in years and years and years. So that's my optimism. But my pessimism is we're going down a real. I mean it's a shit show now but you know it's GonNa be maybe a depression economic depression You have like you know. They can't get a hold of you. Know the health the health disparities. I mean the. Us has like really a very weak public health system. Then you have all these crazies who wanna go out you know you don't want to do the shelter in place anymore and they want to open up like Nail Salon in Georgia. The first thing he does he opens up nail salons and bowling alleys. Like what is that about priorities? So what's going to happen? I mean you can really say for sure because the administration has an for the trump campaign. I mean China is the Boogeyman. I mean that's just see now. They've had policy memos and I mean that's very clear so Asian Americans are really going to. I mean we've been paying price lately it's GonNa get worse and then people are just GonNa be hurting. You know there will be sick Their already losing their jobs. Schools are closing down. Iming how are we going to build a not bill but rebuild out of this and what roles are Asian Americans GonNa play? I mean that's a real question and I hope we play the role that we've played in so many points in our history where we've like. You know demanded justice we fought for justice and making contributions like cynical and you know in science and Economics and education and whatever and you know growing food but I think it's a it's a real question and we have a lot of work to do and we have a lot of work to do. Also you know. Not only for Asian Americans because it's like a rot of racism and xenophobia. That's not only directed to Asian Americans. So you know I. I was used the kind of analogy of cancer. If you have tumor a tumor in two or three places. You can't just get rid of the tumor in one place. You GotTa get rid of the cancer so if you know. African Americans Latinos other people of Color If these other groups are suffering like this really getting hammered by these health disparities also among them other Asian Americans. I mean it's it's our fight. We have to fight that as much as we fight. You know the anti-asian hate that we're experiencing so my what the fuck is really what the fucker we couldn't do. Hopefully the right thing. Sorry I'm pitching no no it is. It is the right question to be asking and I think that You know we've obviously been talking a little bit about this amazing essay that W. Kamau Bell wrote in which he talked about leaving. The title of the essay is the exact title. It's something like Me and Bruce Lee would like to talk about racism. Exactly rate that a fantastic okay. So basically the you know it's just posted on medium and he basically was like saying. Hey if you're if you're against racism against all racist right and if you're not against racism then you're not against racism and he used his relationship with Bruce Lee and sort of the larger context of how African Americans have you know that there's been a interrelation between Asian and African Americans going way back into our present. You know popular culture our history popular culture but the VAT should sort of speak to this larger question around why it is that. If you're Asian American you should be aware of the struggle afro-americans face and vice versa. And I think that really has to be the conversation that comes out of all of this right instead of UH Worrying solely about our individual communities if asian-american all of its diversity can get together enough that we can speak towards some kind of common voice. We need push that farther out and really speak to the commonalities across communities of color. That's absolutely and that's that's probably the biggest step is like I remember. After trump was elected there would be these like therapy groups at Ucla with Asian American students. Who knew that they had to go back for Thanksgiving and face their family members who were like had all these anti-black or you know anti brown kind of pro trump feelings. And why are Asian Americans you know? How can they side with these racist? I just don't get it but it is just people just have to that history. You're just talking about I mean Frederick Douglass denounce the Chinese Exclusion Act that. You can argue that. A lot of the people who are able to immigrate after nineteen sixty five the civil rights movement in that that kind of environment of pushing for equality. And you know the US having to prove that you know. We're not like this backwards so-called democracy. I mean that really. I mean it made a difference opened up the doors to us even be here in the first place. So what the fuck you know what to function. Know our own history and our history is not just Asians and white people well the very termination American it was invented specifically in a mosh to and in emulation of at the time. Afro Americans right. That was the term at the time because the original group that gather together in order to to protest and sort of Martian in solidarity with other people of Color specifically were were taking part in a protest against or in support of Human Newton that whole sort of yellow peril for black power kind of thing and I I feel like you know we sometimes do forget about those interlocking moments of our history when we think about it from our vantage point today so Asian Americans so we should have called the series. I don't know if that would have been the PVs audience but the show is called asian-americans. Five part series Rene Win when and where CAN PEOPLE WATCH? It may eleventh and twelfth on your station should be eight o'clock. Pacific and Eastern Central Time. And then you can stream it for the next twenty eight days after the May eleventh and twelfth premiers check your local listings as they say yes. Check your local listings. Rene Touch Find you online. Oh God I should have a website that there's no websites anymore. I mean twitter. Instagram and facebook and all those things. Maybe I'll start doing to talk. I would love to see painted tick Tock I would up just to see that it went probably be stupid. Cat Videos perfect is what we need in these dark times and I think that's our Tajima. Is that right? Yeah I guess you you'd do Google Google Jifang. How about yourself? I can be found at original spin but you know in in the larger context of being an American and part of a group of Asian Americans Yes I can be found an original spin on twitter but I also have been putting in some time along with you fill in gathering together other places where you might potentially find both of us right and many other Asian Americans in a calendar that is on angry. Asian man right now Of Online activities online events sessions webinars broadcasts concert celebration CETERA. That are taking place in the month of May and we've compiled this Because we want to make sure that even though we're all under lockdown that this very community that we've talked about sustaining us can still be available right to all of us that great. Well you know. We're we're glad to have done it but it's really important more than ever. I think that we are in touch with each other in in this month. Asia wearing heritage. Month so phil you probably have the exact url for that but we are both there you can go to angry dot com and then up top it just says heritage calendar. Just click on that. Yeah so van is where you are but where are you so you can find me at at angry? Asian man and on angry dot com as I said you can find this show at they call Bruce on twitter and facebook. You could also hop on over to apple podcasts. And give us a rating or review. Hopefully a five star once. It really helps people find the show. We think everybody who's given shown showing the love so far and that's about it. That's it for this episode. They calls Rene Tightrope Thank you so much for being on. It's it's totally. It's an honor pleasure. Thank you this was fun again. The yeah the show is check it out on PBS. Until next time piece you've been listening to they call US Bruce with Jeff Yang and Phil you. Our theme music is by Kiro One. Our producer is wrong. They call US Bruce. A member of the POTLUCK podcast collective featuring unique voices and stories from the Asian American community. Find out more at podcast. Potluck DOT com and thanks for listening.

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Ep. 59 This is NOT Goodbye, its to be continued

"Wanted to let you know about some exciting things that we have in store for dry with US podcast, so this is not goodbye, but the start of a new beginning. Welcome back to drive us your podcast for crazy driving stories. I bought me and Taranaki and today we have not one but several crazy commute. Stories from I don't want to believe hero talks Cincinnati Fan talk and talk to that podcast all the podcasts all the PODCASTS, but before we share those stories with you. Guys wanted to let you know about some exciting things that we have in store for dry with US podcast. We're podcast. Our guest. Yes our podcast. We are rebranding the show. I can't say the word rebranding where rebranding the show where rebranding the show where brandon. Yes. We're making a new president on this show. He'll be here. On the show. Yes, so stay tuned Brennan's coming. Yeah now, but we're. Way Like you emailed him re Brandon. Like re Brandon okay. Brandon on this show. Goes The cheesiest joke. Lots of teas, but for the third time I guess we're rebranding. After this episode will be switching to a season format to be able to focus more on the driving stories and experiences of. That will be bringing on a Senate hearing their recorded prerecorded clips will have more dynamic conversation in real time while recording, but then when you're playing it, wow! Regular show. Yeah I think that makes sense hopefully. Thank you me and my great vocab, but. We wanted to refocus our show back to the core reason that we started. Me Like I feel like our episodes lately have not been the best and what we wanted to point out like not the kind of content we want to put out and we want to go back to why we started doing this. In the first place driving and the crazy things we experience on the road so with this new conversational format we will be bringing guests on each episode, so you can hear their personal experiences and laugh along with us as we discuss their driving stories and driving fails. Forget those. Because fails, are the funny far and while we're transitioning to this bigger and better show, we'll be taking a small break before we released the first episode of the new season. So this is not goodbye and to get a little cheesy the start of a new beginning. That's how you start thinking. Let's start of a new beginnings Yeah I can't sing because that's how people say, but. During this interim between this episode and the starter brand new season, we will continue to share content and commuting stories and our travel experiences on our social media, so be sure to follow us at dry with us podcast to stay in the loop and also. GotTa love. Mosul there right? Yeah, she's giving own. That, we have to take this break. Super excited for the new stuff. Yeah, so be sure to share your thoughts. Why would yell? We got phone. So charity. Share your thoughts about the show with us. We love hearing from you, so let us know what you liked or didn't like what you would like to hear more of, and you can message us on social media or email your feedback to drive with us podcast at g mail DOT com. And all the links will be in the show notes, so you don't have to remember. Yes. To think of something, but the cheese did. My memory failed me. which is what is the show notes so without further ado. Be Crazy stories. You have been waiting for yes. So this first one is from David. Who is the host of I? Don't want to believe podcasts, and he shares a story about a chicken that fell on his windshield or how he called it when screen the run money's David. I'm wonderful. Voices of I want to believe the story I'm going to tell tody win. Have wrought checking. Fail on. My windscreen was driving to work. Yes, raw check in a foster as someone shaved. And Front one screen. As a baby, just like watch that my windscreen happened air, but it was like all these folks go through your head before you actually realize of raw check in hosted a raw checking fallen windscreen welders, actually segel's. That were I think it was like a can of takeaway shop. Chuck all the the the the unused. Meet the. You couldn't eat a chicken all I. It wasn't been bags and in seacot started getting into the raw meat, and there was two that were they must have been like. Belt Lake, but at Kasese seagulls and the often. Try to fly over the and it just went on. My Windscreen. Slight cannot rule fell off I mean then even though the seagulls ate raw checking like these things must be the wake tanks. Left, check INS will guess account with because it film. mccaw legal sell the chicken. I, I didn't know that people call them windscreens, so it's like not a shield like ours are protecting you from stuff is just a screen, so are they more fragile are? Are they like a window? Scream, so there's whole. Like. Is it like war fragile like just just a barrier does not very strong. This is there to be there, but your phone screen is like a screen so true bars in the she'll yeah, because I was so strong, aggressive can go down. We're aggressive where you need to shield, but what really made me laugh aside from the fact that. Okay a couple of things. he was like his first was unless. Shave a cat and throw it out my car. Over Shavkat to baby, I of shaving their cat and then throwing it out you. When will a baby fall on your car I? Hope not yeah, but again. Who shaves her cat in throws it at you. But. He made I wasn't expecting the sound effect like. Was He threw the wind like when I fell on the windscreen when poof? Disappear yeah. Like okay I kind of expected that POOP LUKE! Luke, Luke. House funny peaked out. Just made me laugh. I just had to really listen to adjust for that group. I think that's the strangest thing I've heard falling on win screen. Like, you know you'll think of like like ladder water whatever stuff falling off a trucks like not something. Yeah, like make sense like someone driving with materials. It came loose flew out you a chicken, a raw chicken, a raw chicken. Yeah, I would never expect a chicken and Siegel's were able to throw it at him. Mine, that's reminded a needle mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, throw for. That must have been a very interesting. Experience is on a Shavkat is not a baby. No, it's raw chicken. I don't know if he mentioned this, but was he like going on a slow road or like a fast road? Was You I the only one on this road like as he the only one that had a chicken fall on him. Someone else behind him like what is that? And didn't like bounce off his car, and just like did they come after an attack? His car did his screen cracked. Windscreen, or was it shield material and it was good, yeah! All the questions and no answers. Wow depressing and answer. But Ballast David who hosts I. Don't want to believe podcast, and his podcast is an often crass, an immature podcast where a staunch believer in Elit ali-aliens. UKULELE is. I aliens. ukulele aliens millions where a staunch believer in aliens and you F. O.'s tries to convince one of his oldest and non believing best friends that they exist so if you like Lillian at Ao Ears Yeah Lali. Who? UKULELE millions. Be Sure to check other show I couldn't even. Oh Man. So. This next story is from Taliban. From hero, Talk Podcast, and he shares the crazy police chase that he witnessed witnessed. I can't talk with. He went this wetness. But he witnessed on one of his delivery runs when he used to work for Domino's. Hello, this is Alex so a funny story that happened having when I was an Undergrad at first of Alabama I used to work at dominoes on Scotland, and on the way back from a run I was coming back I've gone on Scotland. In was hitting back to the store now. Right beside the store is the police station that is out there, so I'm driving. Beck and one of the things that you learn when you're a delivery driver is to kind of pay attention to everything around you because people drive crazy. Person, I see in a white pickup truck swerves around me as I see a swerve around me I see multiple cop cars swerve around me as well. I look back at the white pickup truck. It is left the road now. The police station sign is on the side of the road truck. His design boom swerves at around exit thing to try to run into the building. They didn't realize that it was the police building that they were running into so as they ran into the police from inside of the building ran out, and they ran into the police while running from the police all. Those delivery drivers day, I. Don't know what was going through this guy's mind that he was like Oh. Police station I'm going to run into it. He was running from the police, so I'll go to. The Pro League has plan like he's like I'm done I. Don't want to run anymore. I'll just bring myself to the police station. Isn't that usually? What happens in chases whether it's like I've done yeah, but then. Lay Down or whatever, but it's like a little. Make it easier for you. Drive straight to the police station, but so mad. The police are crash into the sign at run into the station. Save me please officers. There's police chasing me. I thought it was Hilarious, but he ran into the voice station while running from the police. Yeah, like that had to be as plan like why? Why? Why would you run into then or did he lose control? Because he was to focus on police behind him, but he didn't notice the police in front of him. I don't know what that is. A craziest thing car chase story. I will help you out and just go to jail myself. Yes, take me I'm done. Just point to the direction with Jalen mice with sound is supposed to go myself you you there. No force needed. I'll do it myself. I'm pretty sure like all delivery unlike most delivery drivers have seen crazy stuff there. Are they making the crazy stuff themselves because I've seen some crazy drivers. Go just keep talking, but you laugh. You're funny, controller drivers, and then we're GONNA. Keep going with yours stock on the repetition liberal. Still want that Ukulele all from the blue. Book you just like guys. The raw chicken. You did it to me so now you're like the. The little But that was Talla CTS from hero talk? And he and his son discussed heroes in the movies. They Watch, so this is like a father son podcast, fiance. There's no more to say podcasting like that's not right. It's a father and son podcast so if you're interested in. Discussing Yeah 'cause. You're going to discuss with them well. I mean you could spend. Five. Be sure to check him out. Well Oh. It ain't great plugs here. Yes, hopefully, I'm making it entertaining enough for them to want to go there. Plug is like if you have the three prong plug, and you're trying to stick in the socket. That only has two. and. That's how. Bad isn't analogy plug so. Poor is the one where like is two-pronged. Ones bent at. You're like trying to get it in. It's like not working hola. Dan, connect nope. Almost there one side did. Yeah nine just stop. Not Working Yeah. How is your description right there? You're plug plug plugs. Plug was bent. It. The next story we have is from Larry from the Cincinnati Fan, talk podcast, and he shares about time. He was tailgated by who he thought was a police officer. So another police officer are police story. This was kind of like a very weird experience, et commute I work pretty much in the hour away from where Tout saw head, a really long commute, and on my way in the school. One time there was this one gadgets. Tailgate me the whole time I will drive, and he was just right. I'm up upper. There was a red light and I. Can like right on the side. So know could be like you know sad. Side with the guy out. East man would not so he decided to roll down his window and right when I was about to start yelling at him. He pulls out a badge waves at the window and I'm like Oh. Shoot off like I just messed up, so he's about to start talking to me and I'm thinking he's about to tell me stop speeding. Whatever and I'm noticing that the bad looks funny so before he starts talking. I'm like excuse me what kind of! Are you officer. He's like. Will you know actually security are and Unin? Phone finished I can't say what I actually said. kind of Blue Moon. He's a man as I just hit against off. It was really really weird in it. Just kind of really role Mont Teaching Day entire day, so it was just a really weird could do the whole. tailgating situation reminds me all the time. We get tailgated, so all the essay reminds you have like. Why don't we were at school the tailgates? Never been the was all the house. Remind you of that. Young reminds me of something I've never been to. But what would you do if you I know when you get tailgater, you're like. Get off my bumper and. You slow down. Slow down. I do the same thing I saw down. Make them more man, but. Let me tempt them. No I go the speed limit. Because usually I'm going five above or do the brake check, and just like keeping Mel. Because an I'm more scared because what you don't react in you. Hit Me as rather have my car. So what would you do if you're in his spot? And you thought it was a police officer, which I feel like I've been tailgated by police officer before all. Yeah, if you thought it was a police officer, and then you guys end up side-by-side. Just don't make eye contact I. Don't think I would have interacted with the now, but then He. He was like Oh it's a police officer. Okay, if the police officer like was going to take it, you or something, wouldn't. He turned his lights on pulled you over night? That's why would he cut you moved over? Why wouldn't he moved over behind? You turned on his lights. He wouldn't come next to you and then start a conversation in your car at a red light like he thought with some other guy things. Oh, it's a cop. Oh No, it's not cop by thought. It was funny that when they show. He showed the badge. Oh wait a minute. Officers use it to their advantage Yelich. Why was he showing him like I? Must Security officer like okay good for you? Let me GO I. This is why on your bumper. Lila's he showing it to him like what anyone to tell him that he was like I love security our. Maybe he was like you're not a police officer. He's again. I'm a security officer badge, but like he showed at first, and then he was like Oh cop. Why do you just be like pool next time? Let me show you why bad! Zora trying to intimidate him. It'd be like a hall of a bag. It's like. I have to call a licensed. locksmiths. Please! First. Officer I have a badge to. Because, there's different. We all have a bag. uh-huh, but that was Larry from the Cincinnati. Fan Talk Podcast, and as the title says it's a Cincinnati fan talking about all things, sports, music, politics, education and TV so be sure to give him a listen. That's why new flog flogging. The Plug is straight now it connects into the socket, more good. Yeah, and this next story because you know what could get crazier than I've chicken falling and police officers. I guess we could get crazier. You can always get crazier. This next story is from Greg from talk to Dad podcast who they talk about. That doesn't make sense. We'll go back. He shares a story about his recent trip to Italy at the start of. Like near the start of this whole krona virus pandemic. Yeah so. Really Start. When wasn't Italy? Yeah, so they were. They're about to leave when it like getting to their lockdown point. Yeah with a scary, so here's their story. Hi. This is Greg Bear also known as dad on the. PODCAST ENOUGH GOT William and Henry here with me, Tebow, one thing we could share is the story of a recent trip to Italy. We have been planning this trip for a long long time. Counting down the days until we decided to come to Italy right before just a few weeks before you're supposed to leave. The whole corona virus broke out, and the first country were really became a problem outside of China Italy. It made us very anxious. Very nervous very stressed. A lot of people thought we were crazy for going on vacation to Italy, but but we decided to go anyway. We were nervous that our flight Mike it canceled on March sixth. We left, so we flew from Dallas. Fort Worth to Montreal Eric Cannata. That flight was pretty normal, but when we got to Montreal and we got on the plane, we got a big plane to go to Italy. That's when things started to change, and that was a little different from other trips taken. Yeah, that flight to Italy was like the calm before the storm. It was kind of a cool trip. It was a little, a little crazy. Because a lot of stuff is closed, but at Rome was pretty much empty, so we got to kind of walk through the streets. The only time we really kind of went into lockdown Mo was the very last day were there, and then we couldn't really leave the hotel, so we just kind of stayed in the hotel and played card games. But coming home from Italy that was a little bit different from the flight over there. In the week we were in Italy. Everything had gone from being well. It's not really a problem that room to roam was completely locked down and. The United States just past a travel ban from Europe. So there are a lot of people trying to get out of Italy and make it home to the United States. And it was definitely a different vibe and I was very nervous. We were flying home on Friday. The thirteenth it was very crowded. and. We had to fill out all these paperwork explaining that no, we didn't have corona virus. We didn't have a fever. We weren't coughing and then eventually we made it to the gate, and it wasn't that big of a deal. They didn't have these thermal scans so right before you got on the airplane. They made you like stand in a place, and they look at you and say okay you can. You can get on the plane now. Made me nervous. 'cause like what just happened to be run a little hot today. Are they going to? Italy the price like reschedule. Our flight was like like I it. It would cost about thirty five thousand dollars. Four of us. Home so we ended up just flying normal scheduled flight, and for the most part it went pretty well said the VIBE was a little strange people were kind of nervous on the plane. It was pretty crowded, but there was nothing unusual I was reading news stories the next day if we would have waited one more day was the day when the airports were kind of crazy because they were instituting all these new procedures and people were just jammed packed into this small area, trying to get through security if I knew everything I know about corona virus now before we left. I don't know if I would have left on vacation. On the other hand if I knew that everything was going to work out the way it did. I think it would have been just fine because we. saw a lot of really cool things without outer Rome without any crowds. Food see some really cool sites. And at the end of the day we made it home safe and sound. Did two weeks of self quarantine. And we're all completely healthy now and like everyone else. We're quarantined and lockdown just like most people in this country. So that is our story. Thanks to the drive with US podcast for letting US share this story, so I I know. He was like they were anxious in stress, but I didn't feel like they would be as anxious in stresses I feel like we would be best stress level I think our baseline stress with already at their stress stress level, so we are starting at a different route different scale I mean we've talked about our disastrous flight to Australia all my gosh. That was stress so i. feel that stress. That was stressful. So I feel like this would be I. Don't know if it'd be equal or worse than I would not have gone like we would been like cancel. It canceled it. Cancel cancel. It has what by the got to go which sounds like they were able to enjoy themselves, and it was near the end of their trip when. The on the roads, which for their very yeah, there was a reason. For their yeah weather! Coherent thoughts. It was crazy to hear how the airlines were jacking up prices like how much they were jacking up prices. If you wanted to like, reschedule or leave earlier, but then like they also came out with this day like everyone was freaking out when the travel ban was put on there like Oh my God. I need to go back to the US but one thing that they didn't tell anyone was at the travel. Ban was not for citizens who wanted to return to the US, so they did not have to pay that crazy amounts like for plane tickets to just get on and get home right away because they like they could still come. Yeah they weren't going to ban. People who live here from coming back. Yeah, but nobody told anyone that so I was freaking out on paying crazy. Ridiculous prices for plane tickets yeah wild. The airlines were probably like yeah, making bank. Yeah, we'll take that. We wanted to travel this summer, but at the same time like I don't know if I want to go to another like I want to go to another country at the same time like I don't want to go during this type that we should. Be Worth, it is not just you're taking however long vacation from to go on hover long days off to go on vacation, but then you have to add on a week or two of quarantine when you return two weeks to nineteen days. Yeah, no, your facts, sorry. You'd like add that on, so but like you shouldn't even just do it. I got all for. People are like they want to go out. They've been like stuck for so long I know such a dilemma. Go to open parks than like those kinds of areas where you can stay away from people what I like. You need to be as far away where you look like a Spec then you're good. If I can't see your face so facial. Faysal if I can't see your facial expression, we're GONNA. Distance. Exactly, if you can't tell I'm a human, an excellent, a blog that were that were far enough away. Also have really good vision I don. Our Way if I don't look like A. Tree. Agreed no like really far away I. Just Hope my arms out like Oh. That's the three. Little baby tree was wobbly limbs to trucks. To standardise close together, and you'll be one exactly. You have to wear Brown pants and Brown shirt. Just hold my arms up like this above my head together and then I look like a pointy country. Or like a candle. Like the flame above candle. Like? Above your head now let's say you're going to break into dance. You know like stereotypical Indian. Yeah I was going to say that finding a place to go right now, like of course you can go outside and stuff, but then some places are like still requiring a mask. If you WANNA go, even if it's like an outdoor activity, I like if we wear masks for that long in the Sun. We're GONNA. Be Tanner on the top half hour, face and what? We're not GonNa Return Oh. Yeah! We get Tan we don't burn. Permanently stay that color. We're GONNA look like permanent mass face. Yeah those goggles while mass lines. Oh my Gosh! Yeah, so we're sticking to the drives right now and more where you can go out and you don't have to wear masks. You keep your distance parks. Yeah, but that was greg from talk to the Dan podcast and it's a weekly podcast where a Dad Greg. Greg and his four kids all from the ages of thirteen to twenty two at it's a mostly light hearted, sometimes strange at occasionally serious podcasts, so be sure to give them a lesson. Thanks for joining us for another episode. Ambi shared to follow us on twitter instagram and Pinterest at drive with US podcast to be notified on the release of our new season, and we'd love to hear from you guys, so be sure to send us messages on your thoughts fee. 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A fun way to think in English

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