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House Jan. 6 Committee Seeking Records on Gen. Milley's China Calls
"Hi Mike Rossi you're reporting the house January sixth committee is seeking records on general mark believes China calls the select committee investigating the January sixth insurrection at the US capitol is seeking records related to calls from joint chiefs of staff chairman general mark Milley to his Chinese counterpart the calls were made in the final months of president Donald trump's administration according to a soon to be published book by Washington post journalist Bob Woodward and Robert Costa Millie told general lease Jeng he would warn him in the event of a pending US attack Republican representative Adam Kinzinger of Illinois tells the Associated Press there's a lot that needs to be answered that could really change the story one way or another well he was appointed chairman of the joint chiefs by trump in twenty nineteen and he remains in that post Mike Rossi Washington
Gen. Mark Milley to Nancy Pelosi: 'I Agree With You on Everything'
"Mike gallagher. Maranda devine weighs in on the general milley thing in the new york post and so honestly if you're radio interviews generals who say well. It's not that big a deal. I mean generals talked to generals all the time you know. I talked yesterday about nancy. Pelosi is involved and that's what she dives into let me quote from her article. I mean journal. Mark milley became so deranged that he cast himself allegedly as the hero of a seven days in may style fever dream in only he could save the nation from trump trump launching nuclear war with china to stay in office. It's an insane scenario. Left wing equivalent of the most far-fetched cunanan conspiracies. She writes but this is what is claimed in. The woodward cost of book entitled peril show alarmed was the tightly wound. General about what he imagined. Trump might do that. He made secret calls his counterpart in china. Promising to warn them if the president ordered an attack. It's clear that milly or people authorized by him leaked details of his delusional daring due to a number of authors. Because he's proud of his actions. His lack of shane bodes ill for the country if he remains the nation's highest ranking military officer as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff the botched withdrawal of troops from afghanistan over which he presided was bad enough. She writes what's next and the most disturbing part she writes of the mili- story is nancy. Pelosi's malign influence. The general seem to treat her as his commander in chief pelosi who was engaged in a blood feud with trump that sent her batty manipulated and bullied. Milly a transcript of a call with pelosi two days after the january six capital riot obtained by the payroll authors has her ranting at about trump's access to nuclear weapons pelosi said if they couldn't even stop him from an assault on the capital who even knows what else he may do and is there anybody in charge of the white house who is doing anything but kissing his fat but all over this. He's crazy you know he's crazy. He's been crazy for a long time so don't say you don't know what his state of mind is. Milly reportedly responded madam speaker. I agree with you on
What Was Nancy Pelosi's Role on the Same Day Gen. Mark Milley Calls China?
"We already civilian controlled military. Whether you agree with that premise or not, is irrelevant. That's our constitution. It's not a suggestion. The Constitution it's the governing body of the the most supreme governing document of the land. It's not just some dry piece of crap, parchment. Hey, we'll just the Constitution suggestion. We'll abide by what we feel like it. Otherwise I just use the toilet paper. That's not the way this works. Who authorized the call. It's now clear as day based on Donald Trump's statements and the acting secretary defense that the call was not authorized. So Millie took it upon himself. I say it's an open question only Because I'm still waiting for Mark Milley to give a statement about who in fact authorizes told him to do it. Here's the second question. The one I opened up the show with and I've been posting all day. I covered this in my podcast earlier to which I encourage you to listen to What was Nancy Pelosi's role on the same day Mark Milley calls the Chinese Communist Party general. In defiance of Donald Trump. He has no authority to do it. The secretary of defense hasn't given him this authority to do it. Nancy Pelosi tells her Democrat caucus up on the hill. Hey, Don't worry. We got our closet. Millie, We got this situation under control. What does that mean? Why did she say that? Who did she talk to? Did she coordinate this with Mark Milley? Who told her to do it. Well, who told her to do? Where did where does where does she think she gathered? This is this authority from it's certainly no nowhere to be found in the
Why Won't GOP Leaders Condemn Gen. Milley?
"Where is lindsey graham. Where is john kent. Where are these republican leaders who ought to be full-throated condemnation of gener- general milley. Here's the here's the tucker clip in context people with oversight seemed to be on his side this morning. Tom cotton. The republican senator from arkansas came on fox and friends to talk about mark milley. Here's part of that conversation. This book raises some serious concerns. That some of the allegations seem somewhat farfetched to me. But general secretary austin are going to be testifying in front of congress and just a few days and we'll address these concerns. Don't wanna jump conclusions yet. I know he will address it and will ensure that he addresses it but this is one of those claims. Obviously that seems a little farfetched idea that in american military general is going to warn adversary if an attack is coming as you say when donald trump was never even thinking about a military attack against china. The whole thing is pretty far fetched. We don't want to jump to conclusions yet. Really what conclusions at the time. That interview took place this morning in an already been. Conclusively establish that mark milley was pushing open. Racism on the united states military that he had bragged to fellow officers about resisting. The american president quote with guns and that he had told military officials that he not. The president controlled our country's nuclear arsenal. So much more evidence. Do you need exactly. And why does no one in washington consider this a crisis. The leadership of the pentagon some of them anyway consta- through the united states seems right to me. And frankly from where. I sit senator cotton and senator graham's milk toast response to. This crisis is pretty
White House Announces New Security Pact With Australia and UK
"Let's just talk briefly about this new partnership between the us australia and the uk. Casey it was announced yesterday. Just explain what it's intending to achieve. Guess there's it's an e packed in in theory and is a security pact. We have a situation where australia will be making new submarines with health in the us. Osa the caper in the us technology in us intelligence. And it has created a diplomatic steph or a number of reasons one. Because obviously you have the five is and this appears to be a breakway from the fives. Some of the countries have in it meeting on coming up with the rain plan. And i think that is seeing even though it's not specifically as a response to china and this is a group trying to tackle they think will be chinese aggression in this area. I think that you use saying the allies or the allies of the uk. Australia and the us. I'm unhappy because you have a situation. Where france had been quite a public their annoyance over this land because a french company had previously had a contract to let australia on submarines and that has now gone in favor of lectern with the us. And that i think are new zealand. A member of the five. Is you have a proper. Because just into autumn relating to rules they had previously in place is saying that these submarines won't say. Hey kennel enter. Newseum waters and i think that is just suggesting a tilt. In towns case foreign policy in the areas it's focusing on usa allies most values
Lindsey Graham on Gen. Milley's Phone Call to China: 'Let's Get the Evidence'
"Yesterday i believed that general milley will resign. A maybe. you're right. Maybe he had known anywhere because now they're giving all kinds of cover and he's getting cover from some peculiar corners like republicans who one would think kind of no better. Senator lindsey graham. He's a hawk of there. Ever was one. He respects the military. A lot of people criticize senator. Lindsey graham of south carolina because he wants to allegedly fight endless wars. He's the one who said a week or two ago. We're going to go back to afghanistan. So surely senator graham is condemning general milley's allegedly treasonous behaviour. Right we'll check this out. Here's lindsey last night with lawrence jones on fox news channel. Well number one I don't wanna try General milley or anybody else in the media You know. Mike was a green beret. Here's a warrior out there. Killing the bad guys. I spent thirty three years as a judge. Advocate in the air force is military judge defense counsel and prosecutor. So before we court martial somebody. Let's get the evidence. Would i want to hear. I want to hear from milly. I'm tired of talking about what the book says. Milley said. I want to see the transcript and i wanna hear from millie and i will say this has been a military lawyer for thirty three years if the book is accurate in the conversation did occur as described in the book General milley undercut civilian control. I just wanna. I just wanna stay with you for second. Because i hear what you're saying and everyone is innocent until proven otherwise but we already know interim. Dod to acting secretary of defense that he did not approve the second phone call now know the generals like doing what they wanna do but we have a system in america. It wasn't approved so she resides based on that would dan. We don't know what the phone call was about. Dan nail doesn't matter where they approved it. No i mean. Generals talked to generals all the time about the state of military exercises. I don't buy that at all. The content does matter. Dam was right if the content was that. We've gotta shaky president. I promise you we're not gonna attack. But if he does something crazy. I'll give you a heads up. That's completely unacceptable. I mean that. That is ailing lame. L- lame answer and lawrence. John's to his credit man. He is right in lindsey graham's
Republicans Stay Mum as Details Emerge About Gen. Milley's Call to China
"Beast has gone from claiming that the bob woodward book might be wrong about general milley to now outright defending general milley in calling china secretly and warning them that if we attack them he'll let them know in advance and did show behind the commander-in-chief's back and now the line of the narrative is. There's nothing really wrong with holy crap. Have we gone from zero to sixty and twenty four hours tucker asked a pretty pointed question last night where where are the republicans on this. Where's tom cotton. Where's lindsey graham. Where are where are these hawks when it comes to what appears to be a blatant direct in your face act of treason as detailed by a forthcoming book. I'm really baffled here.
France Is Angry with Australia Submarine Deal
"Meanwhile francaise is accused australia of betrayal as the alliance means a multibillion dollar deal between paris and camera to provide submarines has been scrapped. Australia's prime minister confirmed that he had cancelled the planned. Sixty five billion dollar deal with france. Now favoring technology from the us and uk china is also angered by the alliance accusing the three countries of being extremely irresponsible and narrow minded. The trilateral agreement is seen as an effort to push back against china's influence in the contested south china sea
Worried Trump Could 'Go Rogue,' Milley Took Secret Action to Protect Nuclear Weapons
"Now the big story in washington. Dc and it really did grip the city yesterday is what the general milley say and doom did he say it after the new woodward and cost a book peril has appeared. The white house stepped forward to defend general milley against charges. He did anything inappropriate. Editorials in the washington post and the wall street journal both call for infant investigations and hearings under oath general milley for fear that he is compromised. Not merely american defense into conversations with china but the constitutional order. Now i have said from the beginning two days ago. Hold your fire on this. Wait and see. Acting secretary of defense miller who had replaced mark esperer at the time of the second call says he did not authorize the call and that's extraordinary cause for resignation. Mike pompeo went on fox with hannity last night and made some comments on this. What you to your secretary pompeo number one. I have no recollection of a conversation. Like that. look we were all pretty down. We are about to hand over the reins of foreign policy to what this administration we. We've seen these last eight months. What that means for the united states of america so if someone asked was excited about january twentieth and the fact that we were no longer going to have the capacity to secure american freedom. Count me for being a pretty dark place to. But what's important to know sean. Is you know all this has as a product that somehow there was. This fear there was there was a cabinet members. Run around concern. The donald trump was going to engage in some kind of rogue activity or some kind of act of war to sorta lash out. This never happened. Just it's just patently absurd and so the entire credit for all of this assessment that woodward is now laid out in his book. We'll see what turns out but make no mistake about it. During that entire time the entire time. I served all four years. We conducted orally foreign policy. We had national security team. That was working hard to make sure we make the best decisions. We possibly good. And i think the data set which show that. We did a pretty damn effect job and doing that.
France Is Outraged by U.S. Nuclear Submarine Deal With Australia
"Defensive pact with the united kingdom and australia as part of the deal. The us will share technology with australia to build. Its own nuclear powered. Submarines australia has now canceled along. Negotiated contract with france for conventional subs. Npr's eleanor beardsley reports. There is shock. In france civil. I mobile also say. Don't do speaking on false info radio foreign minister geneva. Deyang call it a stab in the back. We had a relationship of confidence with australia. He said this is a betrayal. And i'm very bitter over this rupture. The forty three billion dollar fifty year contract was for twelve conventional submarines and would have meant a transfer of french technology australian premier scott morrison said. His country decided to build nuclear powered submarines and end its contract with france because of changed strategic environment. I h china's power flexing and agressivity in the pacific said. He also was preoccupied by america's behavior. He said this unilateral brutal unpredictable decision looks a lot like what trump used to do. Eleanor beardsley
U.S., Australia and UK Unveil New Security Partnership
"The biden administration's efforts to counter chinese dominance in asia and support allies in the region is gathering steam. This week the us uk and australia agreed a landmark security pact in the indo pacific. The move will see australia. Build nuclear powered submarines for the first time the pack will also cover artificial intelligence cyber and quantum technologies. So what does all this mean for australia. Monaco's contributor in canberra ardebili. Gary sent us. This report the news that ustralia is going to be getting nuclear-powered submarines came out of the blue five years ago. We signed an agreement with the french to provide us with diesel-powered submarines. It has since become clear that these technology would not be adequate to meet security challenges. Plus they wouldn't be delivered for almost twenty years at the same time. Need security partnership between australia. The us and uk was announced called aucas. All of this is pretty big knees. Even if you're not someone to spend a lot of time thinking about submarines the full details haven't yet been announced but it is clear that it's all about sending a strong message to china. Tensions between australia and china has been increasing over the past few years so this deal is all about australia. Proving to beijing that it has big and powerful allies that it can rely on but it will get australia. Offside with other friends new zealand and pacific countries are avowedly anti nuclear. Oh new zealand has already said it won't allow the subs in its waters. Australia is a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. So we can expect that e inspectors will be doorsteps wanting access and china has put out a statement. Saying it's irresponsible big questions now. Are this tacitly. Say that his strategy is undoubtedly in a cold war situation with china. And just how much safer will australia. Now be
Southwest China Earthquake Collapses Homes, Kills at Least 3
"An earthquake in southwest China was damaged at least thirty five buildings and killed at least three people Chinese state media says that the quake in Szechuan destroyed homes besides the deaths dozens have been injured the magnitude six quake struck in the early morning and was around six miles deep with an epicentre around one hundred twenty miles southeast of Chengdu the provincial capital rescue workers have been going door to door in heavy rain searching for people in damaged homes with well because distributing mooncakes a traditional treat for next week's mid autumn festival and all the food at shelters I'm Charles the last month
Australia Dumps French Submarine Deal for US Nuclear Fleet
"Australian prime minister Scott Morrison says the nation has decided to invest in US nuclear powered submarines and dump his contract with France to build diesel electric subs on Wednesday president Joe Biden has announced a new security alliance with Australia and Britain that would develop an Australian nuclear powered submarine fleet as a result Australia has notified Franz that it would end its contract to build twelve of the world's largest conventional submarines Marcin hood said US nuclear submarine technology wasn't an option open to Australia when the earlier deal was struck in twenty sixteen the U. S. house until now only shed the technology with Britain it's a move that could deepen a growing chasm in US China relations I'm Charles the last month
US Working on New COVID-19 Rules for International Visitors
"Hi Mike Rossi you're reporting the U. S. is working on you cove in nineteen rules for international visitors you vaccine requirements for incoming international travelers are under consideration by the by did ministration as it looks to revamp current cobit nineteen restrictions contact tracing of international travelers would be a part of the new system White House coronavirus response coordinator Jeff resigned said Wednesday with the recent increasing cove in nineteen cases the current travel restrictions will remain in place until a new system is rolled out the US currently bars entry to most non Americans who have traveled to China India the United Kingdom and most of Europe Brazil and other countries in the previous fourteen days might cross CO Washington
Wonder of the Seas to Debut in US and Europe, Not China
"Royal caribbean has announced that. Its upcoming mega ship. Wonder of the seas will no longer be debuting. In shanghai china the oasis class vessel will now make her first. Voyages in the caribbean starting in march wonder will operate seven seven night. Eastern and western caribbean sailings from port everglades. All featuring a stop at perfect day in may the ship will then head to europe to operate. Seven-night western mediterranean cruises. Wonder of the seas is royals fifth oasis class vessel and is currently the largest cruise ship in the world
Top General Feared Trump Would Launch Nuclear War, Woodward Book Reports
"The least interventionist president in modern history vats who donald trump is and. They expect you to believe that he was just about to press the button and the birds new china year right so this is the trouble with the story. We have this absolute hack of a pathetic. Individual would has been trying to clamber back in relevance for forty years. Although he's a credit and he was really the junior partner in the The deep throat story that brought down. Nixon then we have mealy who has established a fact pattern of being a scumbag is being a political actor in uniform. We'll see which which off the aspects of this story holds water but we've got to analyze it right now because that's why we're here. That's why we do live radio and we're going to do it with Very good buddy jennifer. Who sent me the video. It's out there the whole town hall if you couldn't make it to l. a. Watch it two hours without bodies. Dennis prager mark levin. Charlie kirk and larry elder. Let's posted right now and it's putting it on twitter and facebook feeds told to us john. Let's let's leave the recall. Let's let them vote on photocopy pass. Whatever they take those suitcases about it from under the table this story. Is there any way to glad this for the biden regime. I ju-. I just stayed first of all. I want to say that. You and charlie kirk dennis prager mark levin at were all on fire on sunday at town hall. Twenty twenty one. So if you don't get a chance if you haven't seen it janice we're like whoa to my friend. You guys were i mean just nailing it and it was so much fun to share a stage with you that being said. No there's no way to wiggle out of this. But the democrats control everything in the media is controlled by the democrats and so maybe they will wiggle out of it. But have you wondered. We've heard so much during the trump administration about deep state leaks about all of these people these sources within the intelligence community. I don't think we have to look very far. They're sitting right in front of
Biden announces Indo-Pacific alliance with UK, Australia
"The White House has formed a new alliance with Britain and Australia for sharing military and cyber technology for a security presence in the Indo Pacific region president Biden announced it's a natural alliance after decades of cooperation making sure that each of us has a modern capability the most modern capabilities we need to maneuver and defend against rapidly evolving threats what he didn't discusses that experts say China could view this as a provocative move as the U. S. refocuses foreign policy on the Pacific although an administration official stated the alliance is not honing in on any one country the first mission will be to help Australia acquire submarines powered by nuclear energy prime minister Scott Morrison via video call working together to deliver a site and we'll secure region that ultimately benefits for Jackie Quinn Washington
U.S. Top General Milley Secretly Called China Over Fears Trump Could Spark War
"Was there anything unusual set to the chinese counterpart in the phone calls. As far as you understand again. I all i. All i've seen is the same reporting that you've seen jen i. I can't speak to the specifics of the conversation. A conversation that took place obviously before Before this administration took office. But i would add if i may again that it is not only a common. It's expected that chairman of the joint chiefs of staff would continue to have counterpart conversations. I mean he is basically the chief of defence for the united states. We don't call them that he has cobbler. Koby i've had enough. That's live footage from the pentagon. They are having to address the accusations block. Buster shocking tectonic accusations. The channel joint chiefs colluded with communist china with their general staff and cold them to ensure that china would not be attacked and that mark milley was interposing himself in the chain of command of the united states thus negating the principle of civilian control of our armed forces that we have had from the beginning of the establishment of our republic and the position of president chief. -secutive and commander in
"us china" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Is subsidized it. It comes to lower costs than its competitors like ericsson nokia but for american allies with whom we share information. We want them to be more mindful. These risks and y-. I should note that america's concerns about why away predated the trump administration. When i worked at the white house at the end of the obama administration were also focused on on we issues and we devoted pre considerable efforts to try to address those concerns. The difference was that our actions were much more private whereas the trump administration's approach was more public. And i think this is you know an example of e common underlying diagnosis that transcended administrations but perhaps different tactics. That were used to address those problems but looking forward you know my sense. My expectation is that. I don't anticipate any lessening of scrutiny or pressure on Going forward so so one element of the trump administration strategy was to say you know you can either. I think to the united kingdom you can either use while way or we won't share intelligence with you as much wise that sort of either or either with them or you're with us framework. Why does it not really work in your view. Well the the concern. I have broadly not not necessarily on this specific case but broadly is that it. Instrumentalise is our alliances so that they're all viewed as pawns in part of efforts to contain constrain china. That's not a profitable place for us to be every country in the world has its own messy relationship with china. No country that i can think of in the world is interested in sign up for a new cold war with china or picky in the united states in opposition to china. You know countries wants to to manage relationships with both countries because both countries are important to the future. And you know my broad proposition is that we need to be mindful of that dynamic. We need to meet our partners. Were they are instead of insisting that they meet us where we are and then build from there identify where we have common interests that provide a basis for a common agenda for dealing with the concerns that we share about chinese behavior. So let's move to sort of china's foreign policy over the past ten years or so. I think you you left. China's a foreign service officer rightish. xi jinping came into power. I'm curious how how in your view has xi jinping's foreign policy differed from his predecessors. In what does that say about sort of the assumptions that they're making about american behavior yet. It's a really interesting question. I i left the embassy. Beijing in two thousand twelve and at that time who how was still in power. His lead foreign policy adviser diving wall before i left. There was a pretty active debates about china's foreign policy that spilled out into the public and and by chinese standards was pretty fractious and ultimately diving war ended the debate. He said enough We're going to continue to hide our capabilities and bide our time pursue a low key modest cautious foreign policy. And you know many of my contacts were upset. They thought that china was acting to cautiously. Too timidly that china's time was now it's time for china to stand up and proudly assert itself on the world stage in one of my context. I remember said just wait. Xi jinping will take care of this he was right. She i think from my perspective xi jinping. He's a proud nationalist. His career has followed the arc of china's rise I think he believes deeply in the idea of the great. Would you've nation of the chinese nation and you know there's sort of a narrative that mao zedong stood up the country. Deng xiaoping helped to grow rich. Now it's xi jinping's job to help. China grow strong. I think he buys into that. But i think that she pay also believes in the authority of the chinese communist party to govern and his general orientation is a strong country requires a strong party. A strong party requires a strong leader and he was put on. God's green earth to be that person so i think that's what we're seeing is is a shift is part of a broader pattern of china's sensing that it's time has come and that it should asserts rightful place on the world stage. I think we can probably quibble over. How much of that is owed to. Xi jinping personality and persona and how much of it is just sort of a structural feature different people. Come out in different places in that debate. But i think it's pretty. Broadly accepted that end. The past decade china has grown more risk tolerant and more aggressive than it was previously. And i think this this new approaches new attitude. This new nationalism is a part of xi. Jinping's political brandt and i expected it's going to continue as long as he stays in power so want to talk about about sort of the party. State structure and how foreign policy is actually made in china. I just have a question. Sort of how when choosing hats into power execute foreign policy. And how is that sort of intertwined with their domestic both domestic policy domestic messaging. It's a great question you know. My general sense is that when she wakes up in the morning and the first fifty things he thinks about on any given day my bet would be between forty eight and forty nine of them are domestic i think he's very focused on The situation at home and the challenges that he confronts domestically but to to the extent that That foreign policy is developed. You know it's sort of interesting one way to look at it as through the belt road initiative which is an imperfect vehicle for for thinking through these things but i think it provides a picture into the messiness that is associated with china's foreign policy initiatives. The belt road initiative really was. I think Sort of a mobilization effort a desire to focus on using china's surplus capacity and some of its some of its limitations to its advantage and so the belt initiative relies a lot on state-owned enterprises state-owned enterprises. Do not report to the ministry of foreign affairs. They report to sas iq up through the national development reform commission up to the top leadership. And so there's this sort of millions of of chinese actors involved in chinese foreign policy and it's it's up to the top leadership to make sense of it all and and to try to create a narrative arc around and to too many outside observers. It looks. I think often like china is executing this finely tuned grand strategy taking step by step closer to world domination to to those of us who have watched up close and worked in beijing and interacted directly with lots of people involved in these things. I think we come away with a perception that it's a lot messier process often as advertised rain. So just to just sort of want to expand on this whole state on enterprise initiative a little bit for our listeners. would that for sort of an equivalent. Us thing would that be like exxon reporting to some government agency or something to be part of a larger strategy abroad. I think that's probably a pretty good analogy. All right all right so one one other element through which like she has been a little bit more. Aggressive is china's gain of leverage in multilateral institutions in global bodies was wondering if you could just talk about that a little bit in an how china has used these bodies to to gain leverage. Yeah i believe that. China holds leadership positions and four of the united nations fifteen specialized agencies nor other country holds more than one leadership position. And so that. This puts china at an advantage in terms of agenda setting in and the trend push forward its objectives through.
"us china" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"She also believes in the authority of the chinese communist party to govern china and his general orientations. That strong country requires a strong party. Strong party requires a strong leader and he was put on. God's green earth the be that person so i think that's what we're seeing is is a shift is part of a broader pattern of china's sensing that it's has come and that it should serve its rightful place on the world stage. I think we can probably quibble over. How much of that owed to things. Personality and persona and how much of it is just sort of structural feature different people. Come from different places. But i think it's pretty. Broadly accepted in the past decade. China has grown more risk tolerant and more aggressive than it was previously. And i think this this new approaches new attitude this new nationalism as part of xi jinping's political brand and i expected it's going to continue as long as he stays in power hombres glenn and this is the law fair podcast. June fourth twenty twenty one. I sat down with. Ryan has a senior fellow in the michael. H armacost chair in the foreign policy program at the brookings institution. Ryan is the author of the new book stronger adapting america's china strategy in an age of competitive interdependence. The book is informed by has his experience as a foreign service officer in china and by his time in the obama administration where he served as the director for china taiwan and mongolia. At the national security council we had a wide ranging discussion about the united states. Is china policy the topics that we covered included president biden's relationship with xi jingping forced labor in xinjiang. China's perception of the united states is withdrawal.
"us china" Discussed on Skullduggery
"For anyone to advocate in favor of an investigation. Now here we are a year later and the. Who is going in with their investigation. And it's very flawed and they don't have the right data the scientists that they chose the best friends of the scientists at the lab. It'd be like if michael isikoff was accused of starting the pandemic and say in dan to investigate right. Somebody would probably have an issue. That doesn't mean dad's not a nice guy that he's you know the grown virus but someone might say maybe he and then you went over to michael. It's cost housing. Like hey did you start the pandemic like no okay. Case closed all right. Oklahoma just preposterous the trump people looking at that and they sort of this. This is not good but they didn't have any credibility either. That's why the biden administration has to. I'm in my view as responsibility to untangle this and they've actually begun to do that in the news. That i wrote in the washington post was that they looked over some of the claims that the trump administration made about this lab and they found that the fact that the trump administration performed or largely accurate in fact. They didn't dispute any one of them. They didn't dispute the fact that there were a bunch of sick researchers in november twenty nine hundred with covered like symptoms wuhan lab or that lab was doing secret work with the chinese military. Were that it was not disclosing some of its work on background viruses. And if you just think about those three facts you like okay. Well now. that's not the trump administration's claims that's just what. Us government believes. What does that add up to in your mind. It adds up to the need for more of investigation. Which by the way is the exact same thing that the biden administration is now calling for not the investigation that we got when the who they went into the lab. Did you do it. They said absolutely not they said okay. You know it's not gonna cut it. They cannot be the end. All isn't this also a problem josh. How politicized the issue in the relationship has become codeless because it. I think you went out in book is the importance of this is not really just about assigning. Blame it's about getting to the bottom of the origin of this virus so that we can prevent the next one. Exactly you know again. I think there's plenty of blame to go around and you can blame the chinese communist party for putting their political interest above the health and welfare of humankind. Okay because they could of shared more information that could have saved a lot of lives but you also must blame the trump administration. Even though you had the united states saying racist anti-asian at rallies for months. And then we have a huge uptick in asian american violence. That's horrible right. We can't have that you know so. Put some blame on the china's communist party put some blame on the trump administration approximate both house. By the way there was a fascinating detail. Many fascinating details on your but one that left out at me was there was actually a debate about what to call the virus. They wanted to sound tough on china and they wanted to sound like they wanted to sort of right up paige was supposed to call it. The wuhan virus the hit that was that was deemed acceptable. Because it it it. Wasn't overtly racist right right but then trump interesting in do what they wanted him to do. They call it. The chinese virus and then the war of words was on now in my opinion if the wuhan virus term offensive than we should use it and it's offensive if people are offended by it so i'm fine not using any term that offends asian-americans because we have to avoid that. Well then of course he started calling the flu at his rallies. Awful and and real people get hurt behind that kind of nonsense and we have to shut it down wherever we see it but at that time in place they thought for whatever reason the term will end virus. Wasn't that bad but it didn't matter because trump didn't listen to them anyway and he said the racist thing anyway so much. The fundamental premise of the book cove. It aside is that china presents the biggest and most consequential national security threat to our country. And i do site for you. A new piece out in foreign affairs by ryan has former china. Director of the national security council under obama entitled china is not ten feet tall. How alarmism undermines american strategy during the cold war. He writes senator vince. James slesinger cautioned against ten foot tall syndrome. The tendency among us policymakers to view their soviet competitors as towering giants of immense strength and overwhelming intellect a similar syndrome has taken hold in the united states today and the harms are not just analytical concentrating on china's strengths about accounting for its vulnerabilities creates anxiety that breeds and security insecurity. Leads to overreaction and over reaction produces bad decisions that undermines the united states Yeah he seems to be taking issue with your fundamental premise. Well i don't think he's taking issue with my premise. Because he wrote that before he read the book. Obviously but i. I know ryan and he's a serious scholar and i think the idea that he's putting forth is a caution that we can overreact. And i think that's now it now to be clear. My premise is that this is the most important issue in our foreign policy that we should do everything we can possibly think of all the time again. I don't think we should have hubristic idea that we can make china into a system. That's like ours. I think china's development will be driven by the chinese people for shore. One way or another but i think what we have to focus on although we want china to stop committing atrocities against its own people inside its borders but we have to focus on his where china's actions and the chinese communist party's actions affect our lives and impact our security. So i'm all for. We have to figure out what we protect. And what we don't protect and we have to figure out where our lines are and that's a conversation that we all need to have. So yes there are. There is a maximalist position. Which is we're we're gonna have to take down the ccp or or they're gonna take down us. That's not what i believe. And let's let's explore this a little bit. Because i think often americans have a hard time understanding. It's sort of where you where you began. Have a hard time understanding how china's rise in. It's very kind of aggressive. Moves on the world. Stage affects them. Personally you know when when they hear about you know their maritime claims in the in the south china sea or predatory economic behavior currency manipulation. Whatever it seems very distant or abstract so you you talk about how the chinese communist party has kinda infiltrated all of these different aspects. That's american life that's mary. You mentioned attack a wall street. Walls julia hollywood media. So talk about that a little bit. How how should the average person out there think about china and how it affects them. I think it's a great question because a lot of the book is reporting on what we call sort of chinese influence and interference operations. And it's a very tough subject to talk about. Because it's designed to be touched and basically the premises that somewhere in between the overt ways that countries exert power which is sort of you know soft power propaganda state media the secret ways that countries exempt through spying and stealing inbetween. There's a gray area. it's over actions. Conceal a covert purpose. It's like when you when you have a confucius institute on your campus. Is it just to spread chinese culture. Or are they using it in order to watch over chinese students and prevent them from having free speech on american campuses and by the way prevent the dalai lama from ever coming to school to that school. The answer is sometimes it's one and sometimes it's the other when you invest in a chinese company. Is that chinese company participating in atrocities. Is that okay with you. While different people might have a different answer when it comes to the chinese communist. Party's of what we call united front work. Which is again as kind of a new concept for most americans. Most americans have seen some of it in their lives if they looked hard enough. You know what they're doing is they're co opting american elites and co opting american institutions in order to disable the sort of antibodies in a healthy democracy in other words if you were pension is invested in all chinese companies. You're not really going to be if you think about it. You know four sanctioning a bunch of chinese companies. If you're you know academic careers based on money from a chinese communist party organization..
"us china" Discussed on Skullduggery
"Was not a threat to the outside world and that it was sensitive to temperature and therefore would likely go away once the weather gets warmer and just a few days later. Trump is speaking at. The white house was state governors. And guess what he says. Exactly that the virus that we're talking about you know a lot of people think that goes away in april with the heat as the heat comes in basically you suggest g. The president of china planted this with the president of the united states and manipulated him. Yeah not suggesting. And i'm recording it. Okay he. The president of china lied to the president states on multiple occasions about the growing event trump. On well we don't know what was in trump's mind either. He believed it or he wanted to believe it because remember at this time he also had an interest in downplaying the virus now he talked about it different ways at different times and even the same sentence in the same you know interviews when he had that interview with. Bob woodward says both things he says. Oh yeah she told me. It's going to be fine. Oh but it's very tricky. So he's talking out of both sides of his mouth because he's getting conflicting information in his brain and some of it's coming from xi and it's coming from you know his national security officials in some of its come from his political aides. Were like this is no good. What are you gonna shut down the airports in the middle of your election. Does that sound like a great idea. So the way trump's speaks he verbals all these things in his head and they come out of his mouth all garbled and that's why the policy was so messed up so but but but process. She gets spun doesn't he. I mean yeah. And what's your theory about now to be spun though you have to be is it. Because he's naive. Is it because he's desperate for zeal and he thinks that What's in i think. She was telling him what he wanted to hear. He wanted to hear note nothing to see here. He wanted to tell the american people nothing to see here in every third conversation he had inside the white house. Somebody said god this is going to be terrible but he listened to the other two which is what we know about donald trump as president as he would listen to all the opinions of choose the one that he already agreed. And let's remember hearing if you look through the book there's a ton of examples of She telling trump stuff to get around his officials to tell him the opposite thing and trump. You know did favors for. She bailed out chinese tech companies for she. You know on a whim. The rest of his own government's tough on china policy. That's what these people were dealing with. And so yeah the. There's no other way to say it. But that the president of china manipulating the president of the united states. But i just think we have to be honest and say that he was getting manipulate but a lot of people all the time. It seems like you know xi jinping real good at it in the kids is where he did it on the coronavirus to have devastating effects for our country in public health. One of the things you do is sort of really deep dive in to how china covered up kovin denied access to the outside world. Put out a lot of misleading stuff about the origins of the virus. And i understand you also. Although you've got a great account of it in the book you also have some fresh reporting on the origins of the virus in china. So why don't you tell us about that. Yeah i mean when i first reported in april twenty twenty about these Two diplomatic cables that these diplomat sent back after visiting the wuhan institute of virology at that moment in time. If you just think back where we were. I mean it was just crazy. The issue of the pandemic was super politicized The issue of the origin of the pandemic super politicized. Of course it still is but in that moment what had happened was in. Hey sort of. Tell the backstory in the book is that you know inside the government. They were having this debate. Is there any evidence that came from the lab and some people in the intelligence committee said no and some people really thought it was came from the market and then the chinese government disavowed. The market theory and everyone was used. And then pompeo said there's enormous evidence came from the lab but then he didn't choose anybody. What the evidence but just to be clear. What they're talking about is a leak from the lab not a deliberately recreated virus writings warfare. Whatever you know. I like to say when we start talking about this we don't know how the krona virus originated. I know donald trump doesn't mike pompeo doesn't know joe biden doesn't know the problem was that because the official chinese government story about the market. What had so many holes in it but became adopted so universally that it was hard to ring that bell and it was hard for the politics to compensate for the fact that trump is lying all the time so when trump says it's the lab. You know everyone's like oh. He's probably and why by the way when when senator. Tom cotton strongly suggested that it might have been a Biowarfare biowarfare Then people including in the media were inflating those issues at at. And that's why. I just want to be real precise here because i know people are gonna listen to this and i want to be absolutely clear. There's the theory that it came from as the result of human error in the lab lab accident is different than the theory that it's a bio weapons program and that's different from the theory that spilled over in nature and we don't know which theory is correct okay and basically what happened was inside the us government. The as they tried to get more information. They realized that there is a chinese government. Cover up going on. And the chinese government cover up. was so extensive that it really made finding their origin really impossible and at the same time they were threatening by withholding the ppe and masks from countries all over the world..
"us china" Discussed on Skullduggery
"We had to sort of adjust our approach to reflect that because that was the increasingly obvious reality and that sort of master parallel awakening. I think that that started. Amongst those who watch china very closely especially inside the us government but spread slowly throughout washy dam and then quickly throughout the country and i would argue around the world that the rise of china complex and challenging as it is now affects us in our daily lives in new and undeniable ways and it affects our media and in our academia and on wall street and all of a sudden infected our public health and i think the pandemic on predictably and tragically brought that home to every human citizen. Then what happens. In beijing no longer stays in beijing. Okay and if you put those two sorts of trends together a abroad recognition that the u. s. china relationship is simply the most important bilateral relationship the world the most important foreign policy issue that we have in this generation going forward for as long as probably will be in this business and then the other awakening. Which is that. The chinese government's behavior outside of dump waters. Forget about inside of some words. I i second but just outside. The borders is becoming more and more of a problem and we know if if you can get people that far then we can have a debate over what to do about it. It's complex and it's not something that we all have to agree on right away but that's sort of what the book tracks is that both of these transplants smack. It's something that nobody ever predicted. The election of donald trump is president. The chinese predicted. It you didn't. I didn't predict it and all the sudden. You have like this very complex you know confrontation bring and then. The art side is put in the hands of president. Who essentially doesn't know what he's doing but things he does and has a very well formed view of china. It doesn't match anything that has to do with what his government thinks. What the reality is and this kicks off. For years of just sort of factional fighting bureaucratic intransigence. in political mayhem. That ran into the coronavirus. And that's just like five crazy stories. That all kind of converged. As i was writing the book waking. Yeah i i wanna pick up on that on that last point which is the subject of much of your book because you know. It's interesting the awakening that you that you talked about your personal awakening and awakening of many china hands in in the united states and around the world is also an awakening. I guess in some sense that the trump people had. They took office when they took office. People were giving up on this idea. That engagement could lead to a real political reform and liberalization and was interesting to me. Josh is that by the middle or end of the twenty twenty campaign. The biden people if the rhetoric was almost the same there was almost a competition about. Who could be tougher on on china. The difference is it seems to me and you lay out very well in your book is how you know. The trump administration administration approached the policy and the key. Word is chaos. So i want you to talk a little bit about the different factions. I think you you break them down into three different groups The super hawks the wall street click and the axes of adults so talk about forgotten billionaires. There's the billionaires hardliners. Okay right that's right. And then there are people who don't belong in any particular faction. You're talking about assorted alliances for that. They're based on overlapping interests. That change over time. So you have you know on the one hand. You have super hawks steve. Bannon peter navarro. And their economic nationalist stephen miller and they're also very intent on taking down the cc. Pay okay and that is to my mind kind of a ridiculous thing to be before because it's of course that's not our role in policies to take down a foreign government and also. I don't think we could do it if we tried. But that's what they think and then they have sort of an assorted alliance with the hardliners. In these are sort of national security law enforcement people who are very worried about chinese military aggression chinese economic aggression chinese influence efforts propaganda and are fighting. The intelligence were behind the scenes and in some ways their interests overlap of the super hawks. Max of dolts. Are these like washington. Famous people like mcmaster. And you know in general kelly and and they fashioned themselves gymnasts fashion themselves as like the keepers of the republic right preventing the mad king from driving the car off the road. They think they're the defending democracy and in a sense. Maybe they are but in the other sense they also have their own interests in their own views which mesh in weird ways. Then you've got the wall street. People like mnuchin and they've got different interests in different billionaires behind them. And then you have jared kushner who trump's closest advisor and one of the most influential people in the us china relationship and he's doing very secretly sort of very carefully and he's doing it to get his father in law what his father in law wants which is a deal which runs counter to all the rest of the things we're talking about. That's the chaos. Okay and you know when you wanna talk about sort of an awakening this is not just about the trump administration the government. This is about you know. What is china doing on american campuses you now. And that's a big issue and all the sudden in all these different schools around the country had different groups of people who are like. Wait a minute. Should we take a look at these confucius institutes. Are they really a problem. I joined the gw confucius institute gw. Alumnus i walked over there. I paid my tuition. And i signed up for chinese. And guess what. There was no malign activity going on in that chinese one. Oh one class. We're just some chinese okay at other confucius institutes. It's a big problem. Same thing happened on wall street. Same thing happened in the tech industry. The way we have to sort of think about this is that the broad trend of us competition with china is not something that we're going to be able to avoid and the trump administration played the first inning of it and they made some errors and they had some heads in the. It didn't go the way they wanted it to but some things that were done we're going to have to build on and then during two thousand twenty after the pandemic of politics turn okay and this is what i saw from the beiteddine. Identify three right. They have people who are competition. Focus like hawks than they have people who are very sort of engagement focused. We're left over from the old era. And then you have the political people and two out of three wins the day and what happened in twenty twenty s a politics change. The polling changed in real time. You could track. Many people did and once the biden team realize that the politics were way on one side and again you can blame that on trump's rhetoric which was often racist terrible or you could blame that on the chinese communist party which is you know committing genocide and doing all sorts of crazy stuff or both either way. The biden people very smart calculated decision. That now a tougher china policy was what was good for them. You could also say the other way that it's what the people of the united states want as long as we're on kovic for the moment there is one nugget in your book that left out at me and that is the phone call. That trump has house with president. Gee on february six twenty. Twenty trump has been briefed at this point. That covid is maybe the most serious threat to the country and his presidency just imposed the ban on chinese travel. G calls him and tells trump that china had covid under control..
"us china" Discussed on Skullduggery
"The virus that we're talking about having to do a lot of people think that goes away in april with the heat as the heat comes in. Typically that will go away and april. We're in great shape though. We're in great shape though that was donald trump reassuring the american public on february tenth. Twenty twenty that the coronavirus was nothing to worry about. But where did the president of the united states get the idea that the novel virus would simply disappear. Once the warmer weather. Spring arrived according to josh rogin foreign policy columnist for the washington post and author of a new book chaos under heaven trump g and the battle for the twenty th century. It was planted during a phone call. Just a few days earlier. From the president of china himself gene rogin rights assure the american president that the virus was under control and no threat to the outside world and would likely go away once. The weather got warmer even though his own scientists were telling him something very different trump bought it. A glaring example of how the chinese government was able to manipulate government about the most pressing threat to the health and welfare of our citizens but as rogan describes it. The chinese threat to our economy to our intellectual property to our trade to our national security itself is now the most pressing foreign policy issue of our time. We'll talk to rogan about how he came to that conclusion on this episode of.
"us china" Discussed on Axios Today
"The first place. The relationship between the two countries completely broke down. She didn't pay top goal in march. Besides getting china's own outbreak control was to convince chinese people domestically and the rest of the world that the chinese government was not at fault. There was kind of a cascade of conspiracy theories on both sides some. Us government officials floated the idea that the krona virus was the result of a botched chinese government effort to engineer superbug and chinese diplomats then began suggesting on twitter and elsewhere that the us military might have planted the corona virus in hon. Here's what happened in the us. The trump administration basically started giving a green light to policies that people had previously worried might damage the us china relationship. Some of the new measures included closing china's consulate in texas slapping sanctions on top chinese officials human rights violations even banning trade with some chinese tech companies. This wasn't some trade spat analysts have said. This was the lowest point in us china relations since the tin on main square massacre in nineteen eighty-nine trump's use of the phrase. Chinese virus has lasting impact a year. Later there's an ongoing surge in hate crimes against asian-americans. According to one tally there were more than two thousand. Eight hundred incidents of verbal and physical assaults directed at asian americans in twenty twenty alone..
"us china" Discussed on WSJ What's News
"Might be hard to remember. But today marks the one year anniversary of what was supposed to be a signature foreign policy effort of the trump administration. Abroad trade pact with china. The aim of the phase. One deal was to ease the mounting bilateral tensions with the world's second largest economy and to reduce large commercial imbalances that washington has attributed to beijing's quote trade-distorting practices but then within months came the coronavirus pandemic and its economic fallout. So what's become of the china trade deal. And where did the us and china stand now ahead of the biden administration taking office joining me to talk about. It is yuga hayashi who has reported on this yuga. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me all right. So let's back up a little bit. Remind us of what was all in this phase. One trade deal so this agreement has three elements to it. The part that gets the most attention is china's commitment to purchase a significant amount of us exports. They agreed to buy an additional two hundred billion dollars worth of us products over a two year period studying at last year. That was the first part. The second part is china's commitment to make some changes in its economy and reform to make it easier. For american businesses to sell items manufactured items in china it issued like protection of intellectual property. Refraining from requiring american companies to transfer their technology their joint venture locations in china and the third part is the us's agreement to reduce tariffs on chinese products coming into the us. Yes i guess. The big question is where do we stand now did the. Us and china each live their parts of the agreement so whether the agreement has been successful or not. The answer depends on who you ask so if you look at the purchase commitment china has failed to meet its goal as of november it had only purchased a little over half of what it promised to buy this year under disagreement now part of that slow pace is due to the pandemic in the first few months of the year. The purchases declined sharply so during the last few months of the year. China picked up the pace of buying products particularly agricultural products. But even after that they have fallen sharply of meeting the goal for this year and what about the tariffs. Toasts remain on nearly four hundred billion dollars worth of chinese imports and lord of us businesses have complained about them. They say that they only increase the costs of their production and that would lead to the losses of american jobs and also increased prices of products. That are paid by american consumers.
"us china" Discussed on MarketFoolery
"Just about the the whole notion of this happening in china versus this happening in america. You know if you know ilan moscow. Jeff bezos or you know bill gates all of a sudden. It's like yeah. Two months have gone by and nobody seen or heard from this person. Linka feel feel like it would have been noticed sooner. Wha where has he been spotted. Because i've only in the. I didn't see anything yesterday but earlier. In the week i saw some reports on. Cnbc that sources close to jack. Ma have reported seeing him so it was sort of a second person thing. Okay sure okay there is. Something is so jack. Ma in october gave a speech at an economic forum in china in which he was in a very obsequious way he was you know he was like well. I'm just a guy. And these are my observations and then criticize the banking system in the banking regulatory system. And it really made the wrong people angry in china and so they blocked the ant financial. Ipo that was going to happen two days later. It's going to be a thirty four billion dollar. Ipo one of the largest that has ever happened. And since then jack ma has not has not been seen or or heard from he has a show kind of a shark tank type show and he didn't show up. There was another alibaba. Alibaba executive took his place. He'd been wiped clean. It's certainly possible that he is lying low for a while and it would not be the dumbest thing in the world for him to do. It is also possible that he's under what something is. Residential surveillance has happened a number of times in in china in two thousand eighteen. It happened quite a bit. Most notably with a an actress named fon bing bing she may be the most famous actress definitely the most famous actress in china and so therefore one of the most famous actresses in the world got into a little bit of a pickle with with with with contracts one that had been ford so it's like gee was evading taxes so that is something that they do in china quite a bit..
"us china" Discussed on MarketFoolery
"Foolery. I'm chris sale. Join me today. bill man. Good to see my friend. You know chris. I made a comment earlier that this is the most optimistic that i felt in a long time and i really think that we need to declare that today is actually january. One thousand twenty one yesterday was the end of two thousand twenty. I would yeah. I could see that happening. I don't care count. I don't care what the calendar says but yesterday was a hard terrible day. We are here in the suburbs of washington. Dc and so You know it was. It was not only international news. It was local news for us and we both have spent a lot of time down on the capital. And i am. I am hopeful for today that we have turned the page. As we're gonna get to that in a second. We're also gonna talk about china. And bill's gonna tell me where japanese because i don't know where he is but let me let me just start by time stamping this because this was this was something that came up yesterday. We typically do this show between eleven thirty. Am and twelve noon eastern. and so. that's why on yesterday. Show bill barker and i sort of went about our business and made no mention of what was happening at the. Us capitol building because nothing at that point was happening at the us capitol building and for anyone feeling unsettled by the events of the last twenty. Four hours you're absolutely not alone watching the insurrection. Us capitol building. That's a building. I worked in for six years and i have friends and former colleagues. Who are still there and i was horrified by the scene. I was scared for their safety. And yet like you bill. I take comfort in the fact that when all was said and done democracy won the day the mob lost democracy. One today an american moves on and by the way the nasdaq setting an all time high and i think that's part of the. That's that's i mean. We can get to the disconnect between the market and and real world events in a second. But but i think that's emblematic of the forward-looking nature of the market and what happened around four. Am when the election was certified when the election was certified. I think it is i. It is perhaps cliche to say that the The that the market is discounting instrument. That is entirely forward-looking because we are all aware of times in which things have happened in the market has reacted very very badly. Yesterday was almost. It was a disconnect. And i actually part of the day was watching through bloomberg television and they had down in one corner. The really horrifying goings on and they were just talking about bond pricing and yeah. The market closed up yesterday. It seems like it will close up again today. And it's as if the market is saying. Okay get on. With it this is the last paroxysm. This is the last temper tantrum. we're going to have. It's time to move on. I hope the market is right in that regard. Let's vote with the market on this one all right now. One of one of the few smiles. I got yesterday was on twitter when you tweeted bloomberg. Tv's monotony modern. Maniacal focus is unreal. We're getting reports of shots. Fired shots fired at the capitol building. Let's talk about the impact on the treasury's mark. What's that was..
"us china" Discussed on The CSIS Podcast
"I'm Bob Schieffer and I'm Andrew Schwartz of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and this is the truth of the matter. This is the podcast where we break down the policy issues the days since the politicians are having their say, we will excuse them with respect and bring in the experts many of them from CSIS people who have been working these issues for years. No spin no bombast. No finger-pointing just informed discussion. Today's episode of the truth of the matter I'm flying solo as Bob Shieffer is a town. To get to the truth of the matter about US China policy we've got our very own CSIS's Dr Mike Green Mike. I want to ask you about the new survey that you've done on China you used data and polling data to understand attitudes towards China US attitudes towards China European Asian attitudes and really the study is called mapping the future of US China policy. Why did you take the approach of polling and who did you poll to come to the conclusion? We'll talk about the conclusions and your survey findings in a minute but why did you take the approach of using survey data to begin with thanks Andrew and it's the right question we had an opportunity to launch one of the first. Of Our News Strategic Initiative funds a pot of money from the board of trustees to do big big problems, facing us into drawn different parts of the SIS and use new methods, and so I was asked together with our China experts jude. Blanchet. Bonnie Glaser Scott Kennedy and others a big strategic look at what we do about China. We're obviously in new era of strategic competition with China the trump administration has been tough on virtually every issue in the bilateral relationship and the Democrats are backing down either but you know being tough is not a strategy. So we talked about how we would do something that would be enduring a strategy should have legs that you last shouldn't just go on the shelf. And we had done survey work before to support our research on Asia we had surveyed thought leaders what we call strategic elites think tankers, former officials, the leading journalists, business leaders across Asia, and so we decided if we're going to have a set of recommendations, we need to map where a democracy, what are the contours of the American people's thinking on? China what are their expectations and what about? Those who are most engaged on China but not just in our sphere in agriculture educational exchange business and technology. So he designed a set of three surveys that would let us start to mount the contours of where the American people leaders in different sectors are but also key allies and partners because we can't have China's strategy. That's GonNa work if we don't have key countries in Europe and Asia working. With. China's just too big for us now to handle alone. So that's what we started with. We had a public opinion survey with thousand responses we use that were controlled plus minus three percent margin of error and like any good public opinion survey control for demographics for politically and so forth, and then we did a survey after we talked to twelve major national organizations like the Chamber of Commerce. National Dumber for democracy and so forth, and they helped us identify leaders in their spheres in business in Congress, in civil society, a religious organizations, labor, national skewed experts, and then we had our own list. We'd already done for Asia and Europe. So we got these three surveys in this day and age thing got data. We draw on our experience in our knowledge of history in our time in government..
"us china" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Which amounts to a form of a demographic genocide in I don't use that term lightly. In terms of the trump administration's response over the past year so. We have seen a series of steps in October of last year. The State Department imposed some visa restrictions on Chinese officials related to send young. Since then. US Customs and Border Protection has taken action at least three times to seize goods originating from Xinjiang in enforcement a longstanding ban on the import of goods made by forced labour. There's legislation on the hill right now that could expand those authorities as it relates to preventing forced labor in companies supply chains. And in May of this year, the Commerce Department added. Nine Chinese entities connected to abuses out in Santiago to the entity list in with that does is to restrict the export of of US origin items they're subject to export controls. restricts. Their export. To entities in activities. Contrary us, national security, or foreign policy interests. Exporting to one of these entities requires special license in the exceptions are quite limited. And then in June congress passed the Wieger Human Rights Policy Act president trump signed that into law in that legislation is interesting for the first time. It calls for sanctions on a member of China's Polit Bureau, which is a powerful body that oversees the Chinese Communist Party. Scene Zhang's Communist Party secretary Chen Twin Gua who was previously in the same role in Tibet. was founded under this statute as being responsible for Gross, human rights, violations. So. There were some more sanctions rolled out in July. So cold being twin, the young production and Construction Corps I think the last I looked there was something like thirty seven Chinese entities connected this young on the entity list in that number could very will grow. In terms of. The Chinese government's response to all this. It's been fairly measured. Beijing, of course, denies the allegations of human. Rights Abuse. But has been far from transparent with the international community on its activities continue. In Beijing hit back with some retaliatory sanctions against several members of Congress. Including Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. As well as the congressional. Executive Commission on China. But you know that was largely symbolic not really escalation. I do think INS important to note however you know yes these US policies are being rolled out. But as recently as June president trump himself said in an interview that he had held off on sanctions because he was trying to get a trade deal. So this kind of gets back to your. Earlier question. In around that same time that he made the head admission former national. Security Advisor John Bolton's book came out alleging that trump had personally expressed approval of the internment camps to seating pain. So again, a lot of action here, but also a lot of contradictions in the trump administration's approach and I think that has opened the door for criticism. That US government statements have concern over human rights in Saint John are being driven more by opportunism. Than by principal. Having said all that I. Don't think it's an issue that is going to just a bump in the road or fade into the background regardless of what happens in the upcoming presidential election. To Rob's point you know about. The some degree of distance between what president trump is reportedly said about Jinjiang to she's Jinping on the other hand what the administration has done in terms of rolling out sanctions in taking other. Measures I think it's absolutely right to worry about the ways in which some of what has ruled out by the administration could be back on the basis of you know some other trade agreement or something like that because prison trump's views on human rights are pretty clear to. To. All of us that being said though you know I do think it's interesting to see if you if you were. Put in a bunch of people who agree actually on the shape US China policy she take. Some. Might take a view that the relationship is inevitably going to be more rivalries. Others might say we have to preserve more space for cooperation if you ask them what we do in response to what's happening in Hong Kong and especially in John. Generally. They'RE GONNA they're not going to disagree when you say should we will have more sanctions on more sanctions on particular officials on businesses that are enabling what's happening to they're all GonNa agree and I think it's important for us to step back in just about the momentum that that is going to take on. I. Don't see any way around it. I have I agree with them that we need to take all these steps but but I think increasingly. You know what's happening in general in Hong Kong and the human rights portfolio, which in the past in some ways was a piece of the relationship that in some ways was managed is now I, think a drive, the relationship and particularly in ways that I think Beijing doesn't fully comprehend and So I think that's a shift in the way that in the in the place that human rights is taken in the overall relationship and moving toward being a driver. That's really fascinating I. WanNa come back to that. Line of thinking. But before we do I want to run through one or two a kind of recent developments because against this backdrop where we've seen this collapsed or lease severely hindered trade and economic conversation, we've seen to really serious human rights development through human rights crises a lot of ways these none of these really seemed to be the straw that broke the. Camel's back in terms of the broader tenor of the U., S. China relationship instead of anything that precipitating event to this increasingly round of hostile rhetoric we've heard in recent weeks has been the COVID pandemic and this odd game of reciprocating comments accusing one side accusing the other of causing the pandemic or aggravating with their actions often with limited evidence or support support them. To. Let me turn it back to you. Why is it that the pandemic seemed to be the precipitating event the tipping point towards this much more open confrontational rhetoric between the two sides at least from the view of observers such as myself is this, just a convenient excuse does it have to do with the domestic pressure?.
"us china" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Discuss these issues I sat down with an all star panel of China watchers including to ruin shopper of the Brookings Institution and Georgetown Center for Security and Emerging Technology L.. Konya of the Center for new American Security and Rob Williams, executive director of the. China Center at Yale Law School. It's the law fair podcasts for August. Twenty fourth. The State of the U. S. China relationship. Before we start about the current state of the U. S. China relationship. I WANNA go back a couple of years. Turn give us a little bit of an orientation to what that relationship looked like when the trump administration inherited, what were the major concerns at the Obama Administration dealt with and what state did it leave them when it handed the ship or the range of the ship over to the trump administration Thanks got I don't think the relationship between the United States in China was on an even Keel in twenty sixteen in twenty seventeen. You had some near term agreements on climate at on cyber theft as you must realise no. But if you look at the human rights situation there as house developing whether and of laying the groundwork for what's happening now in changing or the decimation of human rights are if you look at acceleration of China's industrial policy in the commanding heights of technology unwanted technology transfer securities series situation in the. South China Sea year the beginnings of the uptick in political interference Taiwan and whole range of other issues. I. Think tensions were on the rise, and for that reason I think you had a pretty vigorous debate in the Obama administration particularly toward the end and shift in the posture toward China overall if you look back around twenty six. So I think the. Reckoning shift was well underway before the election in two thousand sixteen and we were going to see one we're gonNA see some form of. No matter who won the election in two thousand sixteen So, from the outset, China was a major focus for the trump administration i. think we can all think back to what was the first sort of infamous summit a president trump hosted at quote unquote winter, White House of mar-a-lago was with Chinese President Xi Jinping and really set the tenor of a lot of relationship. made it a real focus and their personal relationship real focus and a lot of that had to do around discussions focused on trade often to the exclusion it seemed at times of other issues. Rob Can you tell us a little bit? What was the trump administration's initial approach to the U. S. China relationship? Why was it so trade focus and how did other she's fit in and how have that focus on trade changed and evolved over time Yeah well, it's great to be here. Scott It's hard to characterize it as a single approach. As with many other issues, there's been a fair bit of inconsistency between President trump and his advisers who themselves have argued for different approaches at different times I mean just for example, you know you had the national security strategy in the national defense strategy which were published in in two thousand, seventeen, eighteen in those marked. Of Pretty decisive shift in articulation of the approach to China. At least by the national security bureaucracy around president trump. Those documents. And other on statements from the administration explicitly now, for the relationship is one of strategic competition in at least rhetorically seem to dispense with the notion that. Our objective should be to incentivize China to become a responsible stakeholder in the international system you know to use the famous. Bob. Zelic formulation. But at the presidential level, the story has been much more mixed. So coming into office A, you know, as you suggest, president trump clearly wanted to deal on a number one trade. In number to North Korea, and he was willing to put a lot of other issues to the side or to get that you know whether it was human rights issues like, Sanjiang at Hong Kong or security issues like China's expansion is in the south. China Sea. And of course, he was firmly opposed to the idea of working with allies on the trade deal in part because he saw many of those allies as part of the problem on trade, not the solution. To even still you did see a lot of movement beneath the presidential level. We had investment screening in Export Control Reform enacted in twenty eighteen in debt up protecting strategic technologies. Fall by series of measures targeting hallway in its role in building five G. Telecom infrastructure. Also saw Congress in the president relaxed dod authorities around Cyber Activities Partly in response to China's cyber intrusions networks, and then a whole range of counterintelligence actions by the FBI in Department of Justice. So this made for kind of disorderly approach where the president and his advisers didn't always seem to be on the same page in that was compounded. I. Think by the fact that trump approached his overriding priority getting trade deal with China. In. A way that was often inconsistent with the prescriptions of us, trade representative and others. Namely he focused disproportionate attention on the bilateral trade deficit instead of on the structural issues, regarding things like market access and intellectual property protection that date back to you know the Obama, administration of course. In terms of how that played out. There were the two rounds of tariff-escalation in twenty eighteen. And, another one may twenty nineteen after talks broke down. But after the negotiations resumed last year, we wound up with this phase trade deal in January just before the covert outbreak in Yarrow's how the trade negotiations can ultimately failed, which is interesting because many would argue today that. This deal we have may be one of the only remaining stabilisers in the relationship. That being said, you know the deal was actually pretty limited in scope it was billed as a kind of stepping stone for future deal. In some of China's commitments in this phase one agreement. Really. regurgitate previous promises. Beijing. Have made in settings like the WTO and the g twenty. Were they kind of package steps China was already taking toward opening certain sectors of the economy, which is happening to some extent by the way under the new Foreign Investment Law, in implementing regulations that went into effect this year. But the phase one deal did not directly address really thorny issues like cyber theft, industrial subsidies, or market access for US technology companies. What does have are some pretty ambitious promises that China will?.
"us china" Discussed on PRI's The World
"It stopped. What we discovered is as lockdown measured. Swear taking place in different countries around the world. That was very clear. Significant decrease seismic knows that's Raphael the plan. A researcher at the National Autonomous University of Mexico research he co authored was published in the journal Science today, and shows manmade seismic noise dropping up to half globally this spring, so that was very interesting, because it was offering us a very concrete observation of decided of people were staying home as a way to protect the job it. It also presented an opportunity for science. Usually, lots of seismic noise makes it harder for researchers to detect small earthquakes. One of the plans co-authors compared it to trying to hear your phone ring at a rock concert this spring. The background volume got turned down. We each and focus on the natural signals. Trying to detect very small is derived, couldn't be absorbed before with last mount of filtering and processing more like hearing that phone ring in a library deploy, says identifying these earthquakes when it's quiet. Quiet is going to make it easier for scientists to find them again. When all that background noise comes back, scientists across the globe have been making local observations sometimes with small seismometers in their basements since lockdown started McGill University geophysicist Yang. Djing says this study brings those observations together to paint a global picture. She wasn't involved with the research. I think this is so far. The most comprehensive Stati on the global scale I'm very impressed by the scope of the study. It's part of a relatively. Relatively new sub field called social seismology, which finds connections between seismic activity and things like economic growth. This is sort of new direction that part of says Molly, branching into so I think there is a lot of contribution that's as you might be able to make in addition to just looking at the earthquake shaking records in this case, seismologists see the vibrations were making or not, as a gauge of how faithfully we're following doctor's orders to stay close to home for the world. I'm caroline dealer. From the cute daughter of Scottish vaudeville performers to create a song that inspired Joni Mitchell Anti Ross part of jazz trio. Lambert Hendricks Ross died this week. She was eighty nine for several years in the fifties and sixties. Her voice was seemingly everywhere. That's Ross along with her partners. Dave Lambert and Jon Hendricks accompanied by Count Basie on piano. They were one of the first interracial jazz ensembles tour globally, but years before that kind of success. There was this child star Andy Ross. When Ross was just four years old in nineteen, thirty four, she sailed with her family from England to the states for a vacation in New Yorker. Parents entered her in a singing contest for radio show, and he won her prize a six month contract with the Film Studio Mgm, she moved to l. a. and lived with her aunt. and Ross landed the part of Annabel. Logan the girl singing here on the short film. Our gang follies of nineteen thirty eight. Yes definitely a precocious tendency towards scatting of vacation to the US, ended up turning into a childhood, Hollywood career, and her mom and dad. No I didn't see them until I was seventeen. That's from a two thousand one interview. Any Ross gave to Hamilton. Colleges Phillies Jazz Archive. When she was seventeen, she left Hollywood and returned to London the same place. Where years earlier as a toddler, she learned how to charm and audience the family. We'll do shows in the park and pass the hat and recalls being a three year old performer I woke up to the little bandstand. And pretend hours loss and the. An actor playing a policeman. And choosing on a big, Danish or something. And I would say I'm hungry on the loss. And he'd say well if I give you a bite of this for. Can you do not so I can sing. I can dance and. At which point my father would pay are playing RPG on the accordion. And I sought to sing. told me. When. She was an adult, any raw singing with long overlooked, she returned to the US as a nineteen year old had a hard time finding gigs, but in nineteen fifty to a record producer asked to write lyrics for a jazz sack Solo. She came up with this tune twisted, forgot about it went back to England and meantime twisted became an underground hit in the US. It was a song that Inspire Joni Mitchell years later in nineteen sixty, Ross Andrew trio would finally record their own version. Any Ross hit some rough spots dinner life. She nearly died of a heroin overdose in London. Her career faltered at times, but she always managed to find a Gig, and you can't say this about a lot of people. Her entire life was framed by song. Lane!.
"us china" Discussed on PRI's The World
"With your business here. You can attend movement meetings. You let us know who attends those meetings, and what they say I didn't agree to that saying I was already cooperating by answering the questions Bulgarian. Courts denied an extradition requests from Turkey for BOIUC, but in Turkey the foreign minister announced that they were bringing back a person of interest from Bulgaria. Broke was on his way to a meeting. Please blocked his vehicle MOGAYON's promptly handed him over to Turkish authorities of the border. He stands accused of being a member of a terrorist organization and was detained in prison for more than three years, although bill area is a signatory to the Geneva Convention. Guaranteeing the rights of asylum seekers. At least seven more individuals are known to have been handed over by the Bulgarians. Human rights activists say countless others have been illegally pushed back at the Bulgarian and Greek borders. Turks have fallen trouble in other countries as well including Germany where they makeup, the third largest group of asylum-seekers. One is a twenty nine year old journalists. Who didn't want to give her name. Fled with a group of eleven, other Turks across the ever survivor to Greece there they encountered fleas on with other migrants David, putting van, the also be Dick A. Soda. We didn't know what was happening or where they were taking US finally. The vehicle stop secure. A Wash they started to pull us toward the river, we said we didn't want to go back and reminded them of the Geneva Convention, but they were so harsh and never gave a response. She says a group of masked men appeared from the forest and started to beat them in buttons. She tried to protect her husband, but they turned on her a man, speaking broken Turkey stalled them. You are a big problem hair. After hiding in the forest from night, the group eventually made it to Germany. Germany grants protection to less than half of the Turks who apply according to official records. The journeys family was denied asylum and their case is under appeal. Turkey has been putting pressure on Germany to go after goodness I'm on those wanted is an and saw who who was working at a TV station before he fled Durkee, he learned he was on a wanted list. When German police knocked on his door. nusamba-linked comes from come up with London. Police a couple of. The! The the police said the Turkish government gave your name to the German government. You're name and photo were in their documents. The police warned saw to go back to Turkey and promise him the protection of a neighborhood virtual, but saw is concerned about the possible actions of German thanks, many of whom are added supporters. GonNa Miss. The. I came across to Turks in the midst of a quarrel. One threatened the other thing. I'm going to report you to the Turkish consulate. The use this as a threat sauce s decks, increased defile file complaints, using the mobile up of the Turkish police, circumventing German authorities who send the mere thought human rights law in the capital car, and now runs refugees suport action in Germany. He says the Turkish government threatens sedans by going after relatives back in Turkey. Turkey. No one. Is Safe. Stay confined you. They are your son or your wife. He points out that even mothers with infants are imprisoned in Turkey. His own son was detaining Kyra for five days. Is Because of YOU MO? My Life and As. You can imagine how I feel. In Germany as an other parts of Europe. Exile Turks can trust easily durkee suspended operations against dissidents for three months due to the coronavirus, but by June Turkey announced operations had resumed with the arrest of seven EA suspects for the world. I'm Anne Hardback. You spend time with us every weekday to hear stories that connect you to the world that connection continues on social media. Join the conversation about the global stories.
"us china" Discussed on Worldly
"Two thousand eight financial crisis called the system worked by Tufts. Political scientist Andraos Nour. Dan Makes US really compelling argument in the book that the Global Financial Architecture put together by the United States primarily but with the European buy-in was really nimble and effective in dealing with the consequences of the housing market collapse financial crisis and putting together an effective international response that staved off a repeat of the Great Depression which was possible. Maybe even likely in the absence of a coordinator national policy response. So that's why the system work but Alex is. You're pointing out here. The system is not working for corona virus in the way that it's supposed to Dan actually the piece on this this week in the Washington Post where he regularly writes Arguing that in fact. This is a really bad sign for the effectiveness of the international system. There's very little international cooperation through the ordinary mechanisms. In like little not in the sense of there's nothing happening but in the sense of what you need relative to the scale of the crisis we're just not seeing especially the traditional big powers the United States in Europe. Step up and so you have a situation where not only is China filling in some of these gaps in certain countries. But Jack Jack Ma point you were making earlier. He's don't even supplies coup the United States on not saying no. I don't want your help Jack. Ma like screw your Chinese but rather the fact that China needs to be donating stuff the United States and gets to say our rich people are helping the benighted Americans as about as clear sign a power transition and of China throwing its influence around as as perhaps I've seen in global politics recently. It is insane to me that the United States just recently flew in five hundred thousand testing. It's from Italy like that's how bad it is bright. Italy's the one going through crisis and we had to take in these things from that country just to for our own response like that's how far behind we are and it's no surprise then of course. The Chinese are taking advantage. That may think your point about this system this system in two thousand eight the financial system having essentially you know works although there are a lot of looser out of that crisis so I think globally right. Yes the system work. But I think a lot of that has to do. With the fact that financial markets and globalization have really become interconnected and intertwines in a very specific way in a way that the US and to some degree Europe designed it to make sure that this infrastructure existed and that the US had a lot of control over it and the ways that it operated whereas you know when it comes to the health systems right those are still pretty bad national health care and supplies and the pharmaceutical industry is very globalized in the sense that we get a lot of our medications. I'm using parts parts but using materials and chemicals that are made all over the world and India in Ireland and China elsewhere but the actual provisions healthcare is still in a very national level in a way that financial markets being integrated it. It's not the same and so we actually don't have that global infrastructure and this is something that a lot of you know experts and I know even Allison's been very worried about people have been warning like look. This is a problem if we face a pandemic we don't have the infrastructure in place. Yes we have the. Who and other health organizations on that are kind of on the super national level but they're not necessarily empowered to do things in the way that like the WTO. The World Trade Organization is right or U. N. type bodies like there's no real Not Arguing for one world government just so we're clear and I'm not saying that's necessary like a bad thing in general it just kind of makes sense that healthcare's handle at a national level because that's just how our world is operated but because of that because these systems are less integrated we how this breakdown where essentially you know not necessarily because we even want to but we do have to suddenly focus on here in our country. What is our health system doing for our people because treating people across country lines? The ear has a little bit better here. Doctors can operate across borders with different licenses. That say they're allowed to operate other. Eu countries just one of the issues with Brexit. But you know even in the US like just this week the trump administration had to announce that doctors would be allowed to operate in practice medicine across us. State lines like that's so localize. Our healthcare systems are so we actually don't have that broader infrastructure that enables us to coordinate really well even across state lines let alone across national borders around the world. So I think that's where we're going to leave you today. I want to first of all encourage all of you to stay safe and stay sane and happy during this do it. You can not only to preserve your own health physical health mental health from the isolation. Those of you. Who like US are in lockdown? Also want to thank our producers Murdoch Bird Pinkerton for helping us get this done through our weird home audio system. Any problems like me popping. A lot of peas are all my faults and not. There's thanks so much and we will talk you all next.
"us china" Discussed on The Brookings Cafeteria
"Since the founding of the people's republic in nineteen forty nine until nineteen seventy-nine about forty years ago china was endor a centrally actually planned economy and when i was growing up china went through several periods of very traumatic experiences such as the grief famine of nine hundred sixty two nine hundred sixty to one million people starve to death and the cultural revolution which threw the country three into chaos people like myself or exiled into the countryside i spent six years in the gobi working as basically a cudi hard labor and at that time the economic system was borrowed from the soviet union is centrally planned economy but that economic system do them for jews choose any kind of per spotty and economic development it produced only poverty and we even produce enough to feed ourselves so i think after mao died after in the called revolution the new leadership under xiaoping reflected upon upon the experiences of the prior thirty years and decided that the only way to save china especially economically and and political for the ruling class as well as to move in the direction of the market has they came out with this economic economic reform policy coupled with open door policy allowing foreign trade and foreign investments and exchanges with foreign countries trees in terms of students personnel and if you look at how china has developed in the past two years in my view you is really the success of the market economy is the triumph of marketing omni china developed not because because of some unique china model but because china has embraced market essentially saying that today private sector accounts for about two third of the chinese economy. I think the problem with the chinese economic system today is the government remains to state on sector remains too big and what china needs to do to continue to drive growth is to engage in further. There's partial reforms to downsize the state owned sector to move further into consumer market the private sector now we we are a private equity investor. We manage about thirty two owners we invest billions of dollars in china we mess throughout asia as well and and <hes> our investments have been quite successful but if you look at our strategy we stay away from manufacturing sectors from industrial sectors from s four sectors or china has enormous overcapacity and we focus all our investments in in sectors which are related to private consumption and we have been successful making those investments and chinese market okay has developed to a stage where you can build very large scale operations. I'll give you example. We invested in the company. Just all five years ago by the name of china music corporation and the time we invested it was not a business the only had copyrights licensed and bought called me rise for music covering lyrics music score and record labels covering about seventy percent of the entire digital music market in china but otherwise they didn't have much of a business and there's huddle we invested about sixty million dollars would became majority shareholder of the company and it was a time when it was possible to enforce copyrights i._p. In china we quickly grew that company and today's this did in in new york on nasdaq and he's marking copies about twenty five billion dollars five years ago six million dollars and today twenty five billion dollars orders we have monthly active users.