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Hope, Through History
"Hello My name is Jon meacham author and historian. I'm proud to share our brand new limited documentary. Podcast series hope through history in partnership with cadence thirteen and the history network in these very trying and uncertain times. Just know that we can learn through history as we work through our current crisis together. I want to share this trailer of hope through history. That's now available. Everywhere you listen to podcasts. Visit our country and I am thirteen. My fellow American. I run a grand slam where they can and the with the president. The people impels old. Let my firmly. That'd be only thing. We have to move today tomorrow and for an indefinite number of days to follow. The world faces a terrifying crisis. It's natural to feel as if nothing like this has ever happened and for many of us. That's probably true but our country has been through hard times before the influenza of nineteen eighteen the Great Depression panic with the Second World War. Polio and the Cuban missile crisis military buildup on the island and in each case our national character has been tested. Let no one doubt that is difficult and dangerous. Fm on which we have many months sacrifice and self discipline lie ahead months in which both our patience and I will will be kept but the greatest danger of all would be to do nothing. I'm Jon Meacham. And this is hope through history together. We'll talk through five moments in time. When America's leaders and citizens were forced to confront crises of historic magnitude where we banded together and made it out the other side. The American people will take anything on the Chin. The as you give them the facts and you give them what you're doing to help. I believe in history and I believe in hope for the story of and of America is one of Progress and enlightenment however uneven incomplete and at times in Cohen. The past isn't a perfect guide to the present or the future. But to know that we've come through immensely difficult passages before and Lord knows we have can help armus against despair back through remember that the civil felt it forever. Upa Download and subscribe now to hope through history with me. Jon meacham on Apple podcasts. Radio DOT COM spotify. And wherever you get your podcasts.
Introducing: Hope, Through History with Jon Meacham
"Hello My name is Jon meacham author and historian. I'm proud to share our brand new limited documentary. Podcast series hope through history in partnership with cadence thirteen and the history network in these very trying and uncertain times. Just know that we can learn through history as we work through our current crisis together. I want to share this trailer of hope through history. That's now available. Everywhere you listen to podcasts. Visit our country and I am thirteen. My fellow American. I run a grand slam where they can and the with the President. The people impels all my firmly. That'd be only thing. We have to move today tomorrow and for an indefinite number of days to follow. The world faces a terrifying crisis. It's natural to feel as if nothing like this has ever happened and for many of us. That's probably true but our country has been through hard times before the influenza of nineteen eighteen the Great Depression panic with the Second World War. Polio and the Cuban missile crisis military buildup on the island and in each case our national character has been tested. Let no one doubt that is difficult and dangerous. Fm on which we have many months sacrifice and self discipline lie ahead months in which both our patience and I will will be kept but the greatest danger of all would be to do nothing. I'm Jon Meacham. And this is hope through history together. We'll talk through five moments in time. When America's leaders and citizens were forced to confront crises of historic magnitude where we banded together and made it out the other side. The American people will take anything on the Chin. The as you give them the facts and you give them what you're doing to help. I believe in history and I believe in hope for the story of and of America is one of Progress and enlightenment however uneven incomplete and at times in Cohen. The past isn't a perfect guide to the present or the future. But to know that we've come through immensely difficult passages before and Lord knows we have can help armus against despair back through remember that the civil felt it forever. Upa Download and subscribe now to hope through history with me. Jon meacham on Apple podcasts. Radio DOT COM spotify. And wherever you get your podcasts.
Hope, Through History
"My name is Jon meacham author and historian. I'm proud to share our brand new limited documentary. Podcast series hope through history in partnership with cadence thirteen and the history network in these very trying and uncertain times. Just know that we can learn through history as we work through our current crisis together. I want to share this trailer of hope through history. That's now available. Everywhere you listen to podcasts. Visit our country and I am thirteen. My fellow American. I run a grand slam where they can and the with the present. The people impels. Oh let me live firmly. That'd be only thing. We have to move today tomorrow and for an indefinite number of days to follow. The world faces a terrifying crisis. It's natural to feel as if nothing like this has ever happened and for many of us. That's probably true but our country has been through hard times before the influenza of nineteen eighteen the Great Depression panic with the Second World War. Polio and the Cuban missile crisis military buildup on the island and in each case our national character has been tested. Let no one doubt that is difficult and dangerous. Fm on which we have many months sacrifice and self discipline lie ahead months in which both our patience and I will will be kept but the greatest danger of all would be to do nothing. I'm Jon Meacham. And this is hope through history together. We'll talk through five moments in time. When America's leaders and citizens were forced to confront crises of historic magnitude where we banded together and made it out the other side. The American people will take anything on the Chin. The as you give them the facts and you give them what you're doing to help. I believe in history and I believe in hope for the story of and of America is one of Progress and enlightenment however uneven incomplete and at times in Cohen. The past isn't a perfect guide to the present or the future. But to know that we've come through immensely difficult passages before and Lord knows we have can help armus against despair back through remember that the civil felt it forever. Upa Download and subscribe now to hope through history with me. Jon meacham on Apple podcasts. Radio DOT COM spotify. And wherever you get your podcasts.
s2 e2 His Night Begins (Crime)
"Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry, it's pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Indian? You're listening to he snide begins season two episode two. Owed stretched ahead of him like an unending ribbon. But it was nearly at his destination. A lot of things worth. Remembering a lot of things. He could forget. Divinely ten years ago. Don't was listening to his daughter's favorite radio station. He was driving home with the two kids in the back. The kids always used to sing along on long drives. Of women in allowed sedan cut him off causing him to nearly swerve onto oncoming traffic. He shouted at the calls in front of her came to a stop at the lights. He was in a foul mood or ready divinely. Always did that to him. It reminded him of his brother's death. He stepped out and approached the ladies driver's seat. I'm sorry Madam. That is not the way to drive around. Especially in this crazy holiday traffic. I have two kids at the back the middle as lady with horrible makeup on spat of chewing gum at him. Pulled a steel pipe from the median and smashed in the glass of the ladies imported car the woman sat in her car screaming her head off. Then he got back in his car and drove off the kids where gently sobbing in the backseat shot up, or I will give you a reason to cry. He tend to rand and shouted at them when they got home. The kids rancher of China and told her what happened what is this vidartes in public in front of your Cates. Why can't you control yourself? Bit aunt who is sitting on the couch telling the special issue of newsmagazine did not look up. Ansa me, what will people think of us? He started ripping the paper noisily fit out. He stood up and brushed at her and pushed against the war the kids whilst on but terrified is as out grab them by her neck. To north lecture me on how to conduct myself in public. The kids cried, why don't you just kill me at the kits Lavina said cheerfully? Don't let her go and walked out of the house. There was no divinely in the ninety one household that year. Nettie Shire had his son and one of his goons tie the journalist to a poor in the White House. He watched as the man in his late thirties with wild curly hair and an unconfirmed be it struggled and spat at his toe mantis. He's feisty one. Isn't he let a commented? Yes. Upa but a major set. Got up from his seat and grabbed a in that layover nearby table. I had warned you to stay out of my business. He posed and potatoes the tool and examined it closely, but you had to write about my drug plantations. I don't understand what is wrong with you media people. I'm no, Tom ING, anyone I wish that was the only illegal thing, you did the journalist said, oh, so you are formed if other things as well. Very good. Very good. The main dish and the fuck laughed. Your business is to make the lives of people like me difficult. So that you can make a living you see how unfair. This is the prisoner scoffed. I have this land, son. What is a far more to do these days that you disbarred from normal crops water is hard to come by expensive? All my work is saved in my office computer, harming me, it's not going to prevent my work from being published. The journalist said, oh, y'all he is collateral, isn't he? That I said feigning shock at the revelation. I may have shook his head and Grint. We don't care about your story. We got you here because we need some fertilizer. What the journalist asked? Let I swung tying into the journalists kneecap. He's screamed in pain. Allowed sound outside. Lamaze looked random surprise. Did. You hear that the how show his head narration was too focused on the interrogation. Sewri? Let's even it out. He broke the other kneecap as well. With a sickening crunch the journalist vomited. A wet stain spread down his pens. The journalist had pasta out wake came up. That is instructed the thought put some water on his face and slapped him few times. I won't him to be awake. When I split open his, Ed. I said. The journalist opened his eyes partially and mumbled in currently. At our thing human body makes for a fine fertilizer son that I said as he brought down the weapon on the journalists at splitting it open like a ripe fruit. What does that I had at this time of exit above that sounds like a gun Demisch said don't stand around here. Investigate your fool narration roared at the God. Pauletta handgun and prepared to step out. No, no, no, no used eight here with me that I said when the God, exited both father and son had it for the office.
Mean and Green: Retrofitting Your Rig For Clean Trucking
"You're hitting the road or in back in the cab. It's time to take a load off with big rig banter, powered by all truck, jobs dot com. Your source for finding the trucking jobs drivers really want get ready to shift into gear and look the conversations role. All right. Welcome truckers. The date is April seventeenth, and this is the eighteenth episode of big rig. Banter, I'm your co host, Troy definite. This is the twenty eighth episode. All right. Hello. And welcome truckers. The date is April seventeenth in this is the twenty eighth episode of big rig. Banter, I'm your co host Troy differ. I'm your favorite Cal hosts Lynn a roll. All right blend. I dunno out favorite co. Let it slide for a while. Would you do without me? Tell you what number of podcasts were on. That's true. Just just tell our people what we have on tap for today. All right. All right. So Earth Day is coming up on Monday. So we're just going to keep rolling with our green theme for this month. So Troy, what do you do to help the planet? Definitely try to recycle. I know you are the recycling Queen here at the office. But I think the rules are way too strict. I mean some of the rules, you enforce on me are ridiculous. Like it has to be perforated cardboard only on Tuesdays, it has to be colored blue it has to be between three inches long and four inches wide. And like some of the recycling. Yeah, I know stipulations are ridiculous. I know it is a hassle to recycle. But I do think it's important, I guess it's like something that's always been important to me, is to preserve the planet, and I definitely feel like I've gotten better at it as, as I get older. For example, I walked to work every day. So that's reducing my carbon footprint and yeah, I recycle at home. I shop at the thrift stores. I'm not creating waste by buying new clothes and stuff like that. So I guess for me instead of throwing my McDonald's trash like in the trash usually just keep it in my car. So that's not littering anywhere else. We already talked about that spring. So I feel like I'm doing doing my job too, but truckers, we want to know what you're doing to help the planet feel free to use the hashtag big rig banter, you wanna hear from you. It's really important, especially with Earth Day, coming up that we kind of take care of the environment. That's for sure. So our last episode was all about semi truck emission standards. And you know this week, we want to take a step further and talk about how you can retrofit your big rig for sustainable trucking you know, a lot of truckers shy away from this. They think it's a huge amount of money and that it won't really kind of be worth the be worth the payment. So we do have an interview with Rachel Moncrieff. She's the program director for heavy duty vehicles at the international council of clean transportation. And she had a lot of great tips on how you can retrofit your vehicles. So let's just jump in and give it a listen. All right. I'm here with Rachel mum. Krief the program director for heavy duty vehicles for the international council on clean transportation. Rachel how're you doing? I'm doing well thank you. Good. So we're the topic is all about clean trucking. You know, our truckers are out there and it's definitely something that's been in the news lately. But why is it so important for the transportation industry, and especially the trucking industry start thinking about clean trucking? Yeah, great question. Well, I mean, of course, there's a couple different perspectives on that. I mean, there's definitely the sort of the climate perspective. If you think about it, the transportation sector is, actually the largest sort of co two emitting sector in the US and trucks, responsible for about a quarter of that CO, two missions. So as it's not happening as quickly as, you know, people like me would want it to, but there's definitely the growing momentum towards serve decarbonising the transportation sector. But then, if you think about it from a business case. There's also huge business case there. I mean, fuel is one of the largest costs when it comes to trucking and feel prices are very volatile. I mean from what I understand, they're actually kind of back on the rise, again, they've been low for a while a long, one long haul truck in one year could end up spending about fifty thousand dollars or more just on diesel fuel. And if you think about that you can do something to save one percent of that, that's five hundred dollars. If you can do something to save ten percent of that, that's five thousand dollars, you know. And I think it's important understand that you don't not all trucks on the road at the moment are getting the same economy. There's some really officiant trucks on the road right now. So you could have to essentially same long haul trucks on the road like doing very similar driving routes very similar payloads could have one truck that's potentially being operated about thirty percent. More efficiently than the other. And if you think about that puts a huge advantage on the more efficient truck. I mean they've competitive advantage, they can charge less make more profit. And so I think it's really the bottom line is efficiency is really key in the trucking sector and what are some ways that either the truckers, or the companies themselves can kind of retrofit their vehicles to be more fuel efficient and more green? Well, obviously, if you're buying a new truck, there's many, many options that you can select to that are basically options. They'll give you more efficiency on the road. But even if you wanna do something with your existing truck, there's actually a lot of options. So and most of the devices that I'm aware of would actually pay back for themselves pretty quickly and fuel savings. So the first one, I thought to mention we'll be devices that would make your truck more era dynamic. So we've probably seen a bunch of these different ones on the market, the most common one that I'm aware of, is the side skirts for the trailer and you people can get something along the lines about five percent feel consumption reduction from just using the sites Greg, because it make yeah, if you're driving on the highway a lot. Another one is your tires. I think people don't pay much attention to tire. Sometimes they should you can get you. And by when you buy a replacement tires or retreads, you can get low rolling resistance tires that can save approximately two percent and feel kinda feel consumption and then also important to keep your tires perfectly inflated. And that's not expensive to do, but they do have actually, you know, automated tire inflation systems. I think the rule of some that I've heard is about ten psi blow recommended tire pressure is about a one percent fueled penalty. So you really have to keep your tires lated, the third one that's really important is idle ING redo reducing idling. I mean idling is essentially wasting people in my view, you're probably burning about a gallon of fuel in our when you're dealing and many trucks that I've heard, you can be burning like a thousand gallons or more per year idling. So it really up and they have, you know, power units that you can use if you want to obviously keep your in the cabin. In, you know, power, whether hoteling, and all of that there's also many truck stops have electrification systems that you can use, so and just of the benefit of that. You're, you're just to go back to something, you said earlier, you said a lot of these will pay for themselves. I think that's a huge thing for truckers. You know, is it possible for truckers to become clean drivers without breaking the Bank because I think I think the initial investment kind of scare some people away. What I always think of, oh, I wish I had a solar-powered house. But then I think of the cost of all the solar panels, you know, things like that. So I think that's a maybe a misconception that a lot of drivers have. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, the I agree you have to sort of pay the upfront cost. And I think one of the reasons why people are sometimes hesitant to pay that upfront cost is because they're not necessarily convinced that this is gonna work for them. And but I mean, the good news is, there are some organizations out there that are actually doing for independent testing of a lot of these technologies so you can have a little more confidence like that. This is gonna work for you, and that they're going to pay back. I mean, I think most of the technologies that are just mentioned would pay back for themselves in less than two years, and some of them even less than a year. You mentioned a lot of these different technology. What are some other trends, you're seeing when it comes to transportation, whether it be, you know, new laws or new kind of logistics procedures anything like that. Well, actually, the biggest trend that I and I kind of mentioned this at the beginning in the move towards decarbonisation is, I think we're gonna be seeing over the next few years, some of the sort of electrified, or is your mission technologies, finally moving into the regional and long-haul sector. I don't know if you've been through falling any of these announcements, we've seen this company Nicola, that's making a fuel cell long haul truck Tesla's coming to the market with a battery, electric truck, and even some of the regular LIAM's like dime. Lur comments, Volvo or offering class seven, and eight electric trucks. I think that's going to be something really to watch. And that's something I'm very excited about. And tell me about the smart way program. I know that's a huge program for you guys in definitely, is encouraging truckers to go green, if you will. Yeah, yeah, if any of your listeners haven't joined smartly yet. I mean they definitely should. It's really easy joint. It's completely voluntary program. It's run by the US EPA, but it's not a regulation, and basically, shippers and carriers can join the carriers, essentially share information and data about their fleet emissions and they're feel consumption, and they're, they're type of that they have, and then shippers can kind of use that information to help them pick the most efficient carriers. But then there's some shippers that are actually only used Mirwais carriers from what I understand you can also get in there and you can see how your fuel economy compares to other competitors. Carriers similar fleets and our duty cycle and also offers tons of like free information. And strategies for improving efficiency reducing emissions. And they also I kinda mentioned before independent verification of technologies the that UPA does some about, as well as part of this program. Awesome, Rachel, I think you for joining us on the podcasts or anything else you'd like to add anything coming up new initiatives for ICT. That's a good question. I, I don't really have any on this to out. I mean, we were just going to be continuing to work on. Yeah. Improving truck efficiency, and reducing emissions and markets round. The world awesome. Thank you, once again, that's Rachel Moncrieff from the international council on clean, transportation, racial, thanks so much. Thank you. All right. Once again, a big thanks to Rachel Moncrieff for the international council on clean transportation. I feel like she had a lot of great tips, and I think retrofitting your vehicle to be more energy, efficient is definitely something you truckers should think about for sure. Yeah. Hopefully, that interview inspired you or just gave you some things to think about, as far as little changes, you can start to make in your in your rake. So I just wanted to jump in real quick, and ask everyone. If you could be so kind as to leave us a review, it's been a few months since I joined the podcast and we'd love to know how we're doing for sure. So if you don't want on the podcast and hey. Let us know loud and clear. I'll be happy to kick her off, right. But again, you know, thanks for tuning into another episode of big rig. Banner truckers. This podcast is powered by all truck jobs. You know, if anyone's listening and looking for a new gig checkout all truck, jobs dot com to find trucking jobs that are available across the nation. You know, we've got thousands on there. And we also got some great tools and resources when it comes to school, directories, truckstop directories and things like that. But I think that wraps it up for us. I'm your co host Troy differ. And I'm your favorite in forever, coho slavery. And this has been big rig banter. Thanks for tuning into another addition of Rick banters or your next job. Checkout all truck jobs dot com. The premier online source for finding the best driver jobs in the country. Browse hundreds of physicians by free or driver type to get back on the road with confidence. Could subscribe to keep the conversations coming until next time on big rig. Banters.
Finding the Balance Between School, Work and Sports (Hour 3)
"Ramsey. Broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show. What that is dumb, cash is king, and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey, your host. You jump in. We'll talk about your life, your money. It's a free, call at triple eight eight to five five two two five. That's triple eight eight to five five two two five. Carey is with us in Cincinnati. Hi Carrie, welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi, dave. Hi, dave. Thanks for taking my call. Sure. What's up? So we have read the, the Wanamaker, and we're in the middle of baby step two, and I'm also in the middle of reading smart, money, smart kids, for my kids to understand, you know, not the basically learn from our mistakes, we have three kids. My middle son is going into high school play sports, especially football. He actually has a couple of colleges already looking at them. However, we don't have any savings for him to go to college at this moment. And I know star ships aren't guaranteed. I know there are academic scholarships, which will probably get with a three point six UPA that he's taught. But my question is, how do you balance the, you know, the classes you've taken in school, you know, football that can be five six days a week. And then he does baseball as long the spring and summer and then saying, okay. Okay. Now, we gotta figure out, you know how to come up with more money to help pay for this wish. If you don't get a scholarship. Well, what's your household income? Our household income is one twenty and you have three children, and you're in baby step two. When, when you think you're be with paying off your debt and baby step two. All right now, we've got ninety and didn't loans ourselves that we're trying to get through. So we're hopping to be done by the time, not only my son is in college, but also my stepson who is will be software. So we'll have to in college at the time until, you know, trying to tell them like hopefully be able to help you. But I can't guarantee it. I think I think you'll be out of debt and you'll have your -mergency fund in place. And it may be that you push pause on retirement, because your cash flowing college bills, right? And making a hundred twenty you can do that. It's just going to be painful, but it's maybe more painful painful than what you're doing right now to get cleared that I mean you're not gonna I understand that. The balance is, is that, you know, you go ahead and start coaching them on. On a couple of things. One is obviously you need to take proper classes to get you prepared for school to crime. You've got to keep your grades up because that may be the way you end up going to school. And, you know, there's nothing wrong with sports as, as a, a way to go. I mean student athletes are wonderful. And you know, it's just they're not gonna have a lot of other stuff going on between studies and being a student athlete. But that's also true, if they are in college you play football, you don't do anything else, except study and play football. That's all you do. And so it's not a point where we go, okay? You might not get a scholarship for school now. We need to start buckling down for you to start raising money for school. Well. I don't think they're going to be the source of that, if they don't get a scholarship, you're going to be in a position to help, and they're going to be positioned to work, right? And they're going to choose a school. That's inexpensive that the two that you working in them, working can get them through, if they don't go scholarship somewhere. And so the, the other thing is I go ahead and start talking to mine at twelve and thirteen fourteen years old about college choice. We've already told him, he's going to community if he does not get a scholarship. He's going to the community school. The free school, exactly. Get the scholarships already know there's a plan a and plan B done the scholarship to go whatever community school, and he'll go to a local school. It's just I also don't want. That's going to give them a free ride even if he if he has a coach whispered in his ear that needs to walk on some place and you not get a scholarship and another coach offer any misconduct ship. He's going to the place where they offered him a scholarship. Really? So. Going gets a little brain trained on that idea right now. He's already entering on that. He's like, where am I going where the money is go? We're, we're the most bore the best deal is. And if there's two deals that are one hundred percent pay then you can pick the one you want, and we'll help, we'll help you do that, too. We're going to be involved in that decision. So yeah, you're you're right on track. You're going to be fine. I think this just gives you a lot of motivation to be at baby. Step three b by the time that these two I to get into school because you're going to be largely cash flowing it if they don't scholarship and likely both of them aren't on scholarship. So that'd be an unusual family two scholarship athletes, so you know, but it could it can happen. But I, you're, you're right, but I can see my way to where your income for three or four years, you're not going to be pouring into retirement. You're gonna be pouring into kids college so they don't have any thousand dollars student loan. That you have just cleaned up in your life. So yeah, you're getting there you have a plan your thinking about it talking about it. This is how people win the way people. Screw up with money and screw up their decisions on where to go to school. And what to spend on school, went to study is they don't have, but pay attention just wander on off, and they don't think about it, and all we did the Ramseys. We weren't and then some kind of a we didn't have any scholarship athletes, and we don't have any academic scholarship people at our place. None of them. They weren't. I mean there were smart enough to get into school smart enough to get through. And, you know, the only sports I played were for fun. You know, in a mural or whatever, but we did have an abundance of common sense, and that means that we were intentional and thoughtful about what you're getting for what you're paying. And so they went to schools that we could easily cash flow, and that we could see a good ROI return on the investment. What we spend for the education versus what you make. And there is no correlation between spending a hundred thousand dollars instead of spending twenty thousand dollars and it changing your income. There's just not any it's all wash. You cannot find a single piece of research that shows that where you go to school causes you to succeed. There's not a single data point anywhere except in people's. Brains. But no one in reality can actually prove that. And so you just have to stop and think, what are we going to do here? And it's one of the reasons that we're calling for congress to do away with the guaranteed student loan program, because it's hurting people people are being harmed by their own government. These kids have gotten themselves in trouble, y'all, and it's, it's Congress's fault. Because like let this go on through long. It should have been stopped a decade ago and it needs to be stopped. Now. The guaranteed student loan program means to go away, now you're harming your own children. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Hey folks, cut the cord on long term contracts and save big on your monthly bills by switching your cell phone service to pure talk USA. I'm a huge fan of these guys pure talk USA has the same great coverage with half the price of other brands and no contracts. Switching to pure talk is a great way to save money and stay on budget. Try it risk-free today. Visit pure talk, USA dot com or call eight four four eight six to thirty six seventy seven. Inter promo code Ramsey and receive fifty percent off your first month. That's pure talk, USA dot com, promo code Ramsey. Well, I talk a lot on this show about your offensive game plan of money. Are you earn and vast and get your debt paid off and that coming but defense is just as important as an offense if you're gonna win the game. And there are ten kinds of coverage that wealthy people use in their things you need. Depending on your lifestyle and life stage and family situation, you need to have the different right kinds of things in place, as a defense mechanism. And so we developed a thing that's completely free called the five minute coverage checkup will rank your to do list by importance an Email you the list, so you can get your plan in place really fast. If you take the five minute coverage checkup just takes five minutes, and it's free. So get your phone out, and text the word checkup to thirty three seven eighty nine completely free check up to thirty three seven eighty nine. Or you can just go to daveramsey dot com slash checkup, and you'll be able to do the five minute coverage checkup completely free there. My is, whether it's in Minneapolis. Hi, mike. How are you? I'm doing great. Deserve. How can I help? So this morning, my husband and I hit cement, and we fully paid off their student loans. And we are completely that free as this morning. Yeah. On. But the thing I'm running into is after a year, 'cause we both graduated last may neither of us know, how much is too much for, like a fun budget. And we're both naturally savers and I know you always talk about, you can save or invest give and spend, and so just wondering what whether percentage wise are like, kind of how to spend money, I guess. Good for you. Well, we'll go onto by step three and make sure your -mergency fund is in place. And then you start putting fifteen percent. That's a percentage in baby step four of your income away for retirement. And when you lay out your budget, then you're gonna look and go gosh, I'm putting fifteen percent investments. I'm doing giving as apoe generosity is a part of my monthly budget. And I'm spending X or Y. And if you are spending so much that you cannot investor be generous, you're spending, too much, if you're investing so much that you are not enjoying any of your money, then you're investing too much. And so you that's that's you're right. Those three things you need to learn to enjoy money. And but the problem is that most it's not a perfect. There's not a perfect stasis a perfect percentage, that, that you need to arrive at the problem is most people don't do all three. They do one or the other or to to an extreme and they leave out one like they don't they don't do any generosity because they invest in spend it all on themselves. Well, that's, that's not gonna work for you long term. That's not a healthy character position to be in or they give it all away, and they don't have any money invested for their future, and they never enjoy any money because they give it all away. Now, that is not a proper view of generosity. That's just strange. You know, and so just doing some of each and it will change over time, and as you build wealth. It will change what you do how much you do of each, what percentage is you do of each, for instance, the percentage that Sharon, an eye of our income that we use to enjoy is very, very small. But. We have a ridiculously large income. And so it doesn't take a very, very small percentage. We get to do ridiculously crazy wonderful things, and so, but percentage wise, the vast majority of our net worth of our income is in generosity. And and investing. There's very little of it is on lifestyle. And yet, we've faring nice lifestyle. But, but that's changed over the years back in the day. You know, just getting decent car. Finally was like finally got rid of the old blue Astro van, you know, now, remember those, we had a blue Astro van that things so lame. Sure one of rid of that, so bad. You know, finally, we got some urban, you know, use suburban kid Haller, right? And she drove effort little while. And then we got a used Lexis issue v and, you know, and, and so, but pretty soon the cars were no longer thing in so but you'll just you'll go through different phases of how of what percentages go on these different things. That's what I'm saying. And you're just at your phase one of that. Let me send you a copy of the book, the legacy journey it talks a lot about wealth, which is kind of what we're talking about right now. They're all the other books. I've written about money and the legacy journeys about wealth, and it's now warning it is written from a purely Christian perspective. And so if you're offended by Christian stuff just use it as a, you know, a thing to line, your trash can or something. But I must end you anyway. So, but it it's all about what God says about wealth. And it's not a prosperity thing. I'm not a prosperity guy, but I'm not against success either and neither is the bible. So anyway, we'll send you out a copy of the legacy journey proper view of wealth, because that's kind of what you're struggling with here Dylan is in Austin, Texas. Hi dylan. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hey, Dave, thanks for having me on your show. Sure. What's up? So I've got a couple of quick questions for you. We just moved to Austin, a couple of months ago and, you know, it's, it's pretty expensive here. So we're renting an apartment one bedroom apartment right now. And. What am wanting to do is thought about, you know, within the next couple of years, having enough money saved up, and maybe trying to possibly get a manufactured home, because that's about the most cost effective thing that, that I've come across here, and always wanting to know, would it be a wife decision to get something like that. With the value go up on it. If I put it maybe on an acre of land, or something, no trailers. Don't go up in value. Trailers go down in value. Okay. Yeah. Mobile homes, don't increase in value. Now, if you put it on piece of ground, the piece of ground might go up in value more than the trailer goes down in value and make you think it all went up in value. But it was the dirt that did it not the mobile home. Yeah. Yeah. Understand that. So it's it is not cost effective in the long run because. Housing is going down in value. And it's the most expensive thing you've bought. So you're going to be better off saving to a traditional home purchase after you all are married. Spend a little bit more money and get something that, you know, is going to go up in value. Xactly exactly okay. By a really nice, seventy thousand dollar double wide. I mean, one hundred thousand dollar double. I mean. Very beginning. But then visit that's one hundred thousand or seventy thousand dollar item ten years from now. What's it worth? Thirty thirty. And if you spend a hundred thousand dollars on a little condo, some kind if is it ten years from now, what's it worth one hundred fifty? Yeah. So what about maybe turning it into an investment property or something, you know, something down in value? It's not an investment. Investments are supposed to go up in value. Yeah. Don't buy one. Okay. 'cause the thing is right now where we're renting it, we're, we're spending upwards of maybe twelve hundred a month listen, you, you do whatever you want to don't bomb home. Dave Ramsey just told you that, okay. You go decide what you want to Thomas is with us in Houston, Texas, high Thomas. How're you ups? What a minute I was. I'm gonna come back to you after the break. I'm bumping up onto a commercial watch it when I was doing get sidetracked. Do that. Sometimes this is the Dave Ramsey show. Amy is in Portland, Oregon. I Amy welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. I think for having me, what's up? Well, calling to do my debt free. Scream love it. Good for you how much of. I paid off ninety seven thousand eight hundred eighty five dollars in thirty five months and your range of income during that three years. Well. Around ninety eight thousand up to about one hundred and fourteen thousand. But I want to kind of backtrack. This is my fifth year of nursing. I, I went back to school and became a nurse and, you know, five years ago, basically started at, at nothing zero on food stamps and had housing and. Had just worked my way up to to where I am now raising so you're an RN correct. And you made one hundred fourteen in the last year. Yes. And you went all the way to subsidized housing and food stamps, all the way to the bottom, and then came all the way to the top. Yes. Yes. And how did you end up in that mess? Well, so I. I got divorced. I went through it was pretty pretty rough time for myself and my two girls abusive relationship. But, but throughout I started working in banking. An early age about I was about twenty one years old, and worked, my way up to a loan officer and had been in the banking industry for about twenty years. And so when I. Got divorced. It really it was a wakeup call for me to really decide, you know, if I wanna make a change, now's a really good time to do it. And so, I quit my job and kind of got into nursing school, and I just, just put my, but my whole whole heart into. Basically, you know, going for a different new. Better dreams. You've been out even out three years, five years, five years. Okay. What happened three years ago that made you decide to attack the debt? Well, I my, my last year of nursing school, I was commuting about two and a half hours to clinicals. And during that time I was able to listen to you on the radio. And I, I knew. Once I was done with school that the next right thing to do was to tackle this debt and get it paid off. I, I wasn't smart going into school. I wasn't I was kind of indifferent to borrowing money. Just coming out of, you know, the banking industry for so long. It just was what you did. And, and I knew like I said that, that. That it wasn't a smart way. And if I wanted to really build that legacy and be what I wanted to be not only so what, what three years ago. Attack this. I mean what you've been out of school two years at that point. And it was two years of transition and. And there's I spent some photos that I have two girls Rachel Morin, and my under starters Orrin is she was born with many special needs, you know medically fragile. And so these the transitions that I had to make to get to where I was now included a lot of hurdles to get her into a place where she was safe and comfortable. 'cause we had to change schools. We had I mean, there's just a lot that goes into planning. There was going to be a point where you will be able to say on the debt ready, set go, and that was the thirty five months ago it was I got to a place where every everybody was stable, though, to speak. And what a joy. I mean you've been on a serious journey. So what do you tell people now that you did this in thirty five months, I think the getting out of debt is the small part of your story, probably, but thirty five months, what do you tell people that the secret to getting out of debt is well, I coming from, you know, I, I heard. The calls yesterday of the woman kind of similar my circumstances. She was a single mom before found herself homeless. You know put herself through nursing school. And I heard you talk about your not defined by your past and, and, or those labels that kind of came with it. And, and that was that was a huge transition or transform ation for me to get to the point where I decided that I was not going to just merely survive and just accept the bare minimum, and get me to a place where I, I am winning. And, and so now my motto is I'm either winning or I'm learning. So. An I'm not. And I'm learning so much. That is great. I love it. Well, congratulations deal. You've been on how old are you? Am a forty eight years old? Oh man. It's this is awesome. And now you're an RN and everything's paid off, and you can make serious Bank, and you're gonna be able to put together a very, very serious level of wealth, by the time you get to retirement. Very good. I'm proud of you. I have principal stories you have time to hear it. I don't I'm out of time. I don't wanna wanna mess up your debt free scream as what I don't want to that's important with everything you've been through. But we'll, we'll make sure Madison collects it. And we'll get it to get you on the king Coleman show and do that. Okay. Yeah. But anyway, the. So we've got a copy of Chris Hogan's book for you every day, millionaires how ordinary people built extraordinary wealth, and how you can too very cool stuff. And if you don't have a copy of Kim's book will send you one of those since you gave them a shout out, anyway. Okay. So. All right. Very cool. White ago Kitto Amy Portland, Oregon all the way from a divorce into subsidized housing and food stamps all the way out. Now she's a nurse paid off ninety eight thousand dollars in debt in thirty five months made one hundred and fourteen thousand in the last year count it down. Let's hear a debt free scream. You one. Love it. Well, that right. There tells you the truth, doesn't it. And the truth is windshields in cars are bigger than review. Mirrors for a reason. Review Miers for looking at the past windshields for looking at the future. Yeah. You get to decide you get the dial in. You're gonna turn left turn. Right. You're gonna go up that hill. Where are you going? You get to decide to make those choices the dignity of choice. Did you see the number of choices that lady has made in the last decade? Oh my gosh. What a hero. So you get the dignity of choice. You put yourself in a proximity, something like Ken Coleman says, and you say, I'm not defined by this, this is I'm passing through. You know, Mike Todd used to say, I have never been poor of only been broke poor is a state of mind broke is I'm passing through. I'm never been poor. I've only been Brooke she was broke. I was broke some of your broke. Some of your poor with that was a decision broke is I'm just passing through. It doesn't define me. It was just that bad thing that happened to me once in the past. This is the Dave Ramsey show. I saw nine nine and ten the Lord is a refuge for the oppressed stronghold in times of trouble. Charles Spurgeon said, trials teaches what we are they dig up the soil, and let us see what we're made of. Our question today comes from blinds dot com. They have a one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee. This is a bizarre guarantee. It means even if you screw up. That if you miss measure, you're blind are you picked the wrong color for the shades? They're going to remake them free. You get free samples free shipping, and with the new promos every month. You save even more. This is an incredible company, the largest seller of window blinds on the internet, use the promo code to get the best deal Ramsey. Alan is in Virginia. My son's been attending a really good private school in the Norfolk Virginia area since the sixth grade since attending the school, we paid anywhere from six to seven thousand dollars a year for tuition since my wife has returned to work there. Now requiring us to pay for fourteen thousand dollars for a year. Four eighth grade on baby step two with the last debt being fourteen six on a car are combined income ranges from one twenty to one thirty depending on overtime public school systems are bad, but I'm not sure this is wise. What should I do? Well, it's ten percent of your income a little more than maybe twelve percent of your. Income? I suspect your wife is making more than an extra five thousand dollars or six thousand dollars which is what this is costing you about are going to work. So the net net of their increase intuition, and her increase in income is that you have a higher household income than you used to have. After tuition. More leftover after tuition than you used to have even with their increase, unless your wife is only making five thousand or six thousand dollars a year, which is not the case. Okay. So if you've made the decision that this school is the path, then you've got the money to work it through, and you've got the money to get your debts paid off and you've been kind of lolly gay along, and you need to get with it, lean in and get with it. Sharon and I had our two kids in an expensive private school when they were in kindergarten and first grade. Even up into the edges of second grade. And it had two problems with it, one it was expensive to on those towns, were all we did was drive all day long back and forth back and forth back and forth all day long. And we just knew this was not a sustainable lifestyle. So we made the decision back then a million years ago to move to an adjoining county where we live today that had much better school system than the one we were scheduled for at the time. And so the schools are in the county. We live in a ridiculously good the public schools are, and so number one in the state and, you know, in, in always scores very, very high nationwide as well. So just excellent, excellent people by and large and excellent experience. We had the public school system from from that point on from first second grade, on for the oldest one. And you know so, so that's a possibility. I don't know if you move to a different county. Joining county where you got a better system if you don't pay the Bill. But that's what we did on his partly because we didn't want pay the Bill and so. I you know, I if you wanna do this, it's, there's three reasons that people do private education for a child prior to college one is the quality of education to is the safety and three is sometimes there's a religious affiliation, you know, Catholic than whether kidding the Catholic education that Christian, they are their evangelical Christian. They wanna be in a evangelical Christian education situation. Those are both understandable higher. You know, higher scores understandable safety is probably the most understandable of all three but there's always more than one way. It's gonna cat. And I think sometimes we use rationalization like we do with everything with our kids to do stuff that we just want to do and. There's you know wonderful private schools in our immediate neighborhood. A lot of our friends kids, went to those schools, and our kids did not in again, I can find no data points. That say that, that is a precursor to success. That leads to success. It doesn't. There's no data point to say people went that school more successful than people didn't. And that's probably to review sun. But in the thing you're dealing with there, so you just gotta look at it and make a choice that feels right to you guys. And I just cannot be a super high percentage of your income, but in your case it's not. So you're okay Thomas is with us in Houston, Texas. Hey, Thomas, welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi, dave. Are you better than I deserve? What's up? Okay. So I've been having issues with the money probably made over, I'd say a hundred thousand dollars in six years as a waiter to good restaurant, basically, I've made really bad financial decisions over the years. I'm good ready to go to university of paid cash for my sec-. It's but I have over twenty five thousand dollars in debt, I mean, literally less earlier this month, I completed baby set one within maybe two, but then had an issue my car like we had an emergency fund, but it's a pay like almost fifty percent of my income in debt. And I mean, I'm just having issues. Dave. I wanna, you know, change my life. I'm tired of him broke in living this way. And I'm sick of it. How old are you? Twenty four. I'll be twenty five into to what are you studying finance? Good for you. Okay. Excellent. Well, I it, you didn't get into the mess quick and you're probably not going to get out of it quick. It's a good thing. You started the process. You had your thousand dollars. And you know, you were able to fix the car that's probably going to happen again. You had to stop and rebuild baby step one, then you can start baby step two again. But you're going to be working like a maniac in order to reduce debt and pay for school. You're gonna work all the time. And so your social life that you've been doing up until now, just disappeared. If you wanna change your life for short period of time you're going to be completely out of balance you're going to boot camp, and you're just going to work all the time you're worth three different jobs. Whatever you gotta do, and you're going to have the money to go to university. 'cause that's a big deal you need to do this. You need to follow through on it, and you need to clean up this other debt. Here's the good news thirty thousand dollars changes your whole life. Sir. Yeah. So go get it go get the thirty thousand dollars. And that's doubling how much you've been working, you know, you, you hundred thousand dollars six years. I mean, that that's eighteen thousand dollars a year, that is not that much money. So you haven't been working that much. Or you've got a bad waiter job, you don't have a good one. So kick it into gear baby. This is game on and it's the faster you earn the more you work, the faster. You're gonna clean the mess up and turn your new future in to what you want it to be. But you control these controllables they're up to you. I think you can do it because I think I can hear it in your voice. I think you're ready. I think you've got that thing going ahead. Bob thing like via baby. I'm on, you know that when you start doing that. That's when you're getting ready to change things, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. And that's exactly where you are. Thomas va. Very, very, very proud of you. Hold on. I'm gonna send you a copy Ken Coleman's book, the proximity principle. I have a feeling you need to be in proximity to some different things than you've been in proximity to the party is over young man, it is time to work, and that's how you will transform your life. You can you'll have time to enjoy in recreate later but it is time it is time to earn money for short period of time here. It's not the change your value system is not that we value money over life or something like that. That's not at all. Some of your broke friends in your party friends are gonna think you've lost your mind, which means you are on track, sir, you can do this. It's very doable and you've just taken the first steps. But if you've got that healthy discussed in your life in your voice, that I think I hear you're going to be able to pull this off. You got this man get after it. That puts this hour that I've Ramsey show in the books. Our thanks to James Childs, our producer Madison filling in for Kelly Daniel associate producer. I am Dave Ramsey, your host. We will be back with you before we know it. In the meantime, remember, there's only one way to financial peace and that's the wall daily with the prince of peace, right? Jesus. This is James Childs producer of the Dave Ramsey show. You can now listen to the Dave Ramsey show on the door and Spotify for all the ways to watch and listen. 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The Buru Pt. 2
"The Tommy Warrior had been tracking a Bora Singh an Indian dear through the muddy swamp all day after hours of hearing nothing but lapping water and his own heavy footsteps. He was surprised when suddenly something started worded. sniffling noisily in the muck pulling aside mad of reads he uncovered a small reptilian creature with a long neck scratching at the ground looking for food. It was a newborn buro and it was alone with barely. Thought the warrior plunged enjoy his spear into the creature's belly. There was no need to hunt the Bara sing her now. It found dinner later that night. After the warrior career returned home with a young Bruce Body he began to hear strange noises coming from outside splashes and animal cries without warning. The entire building started to shake. The warrior grabbed his spear and ran to the door. Outside a giant Buddha through with sharp fannings whipped. It's powerful tail into the supports that held up the house. It was the baby's mother back for her revenge. Vengeance according to a tiny legend the mother Buru viciously yanked the warrior and his home into the depths of the murky swamp. Never to be seen again. But was this a true account of the Burros behavior or was the whole tail and the Buru itself. Just another story. Welcome to unexplained mysteries. Apar- cast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history. Rian Life on earth you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify over. Ever you listen to podcasts. It's to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You'll allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way you can help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help help. This is our final episode on the brew. A giant mysterious reptile said to lurk in the swamps of Assam India in one thousand nine hundred. Forty eight zoologist. Charles stoner journalist. Rafe is art and cameraman. Frank Hodgkinson led an expedition Russian deep into the northern Indian jungle in search of the obscure creature. Last week we followed the expedition through the mountainous jungle to find wind. Reload valley the rumored home of the Buru. While they didn't find the animal in Realo. They hope that it still lived in some other unexplored valley this week will explore the evidence. The expedition collected and try to uncover the truth behind the legend of the Buru did did they ever really dwell in real valley and could it still be living in India Today Charleston owner Breif is art and Frank Hodgkinson spent weeks in Reload Valley India. Waiting for the Buru to appear but by late May of nineteen forty eight there was still no sign of the creature. They had no choice but to leave or risk being stranded without out supplies during the rainy season even as they departed realo in defeat. Rafe is our was already planning away to salvage his story. He hoped they journey. To the nearby Zero Valley were ancient brew bones were supposedly buried but by the time they made headed back to the city of Chalon at the end of May their story had beaten them there. Perhaps a DAFA porter had been talking or someone had lead the expedition details back in April before they even left civilization either way they'd been scooped. The exclusive Baru Story is czar. was supposed to bring back for. The Daily Mail was already in competing papers on May fifth while the expedition was still in realo oh the Hindustan Times ran an article about rumors of a giant dinosaur lizard eating treetops. In Assam soon more hearsay was published one journalists claim that the creature was related to the abominable snowman of the Upper Himalayas before long stories of the fearsome Buru caused panic tea. Planters hired armed guards to patrol their fields and protect their crops from marauding swamp lizards the Assam Rifles Specialized Task Force of the Indian army was dispatched to the edges of the jungle. Journalists and adventure seekers alike flooded into Shillong hoping to mount their own expeditions to bring buro out of hiding but in nineteen forty eight in the face of all all this attention. storeowner is art and Hodgkinson. Couldn't help but feel like failures. The mystery reptile had eluded them and now there there was a chance someone else could find it. I despite all this Rafe is art was still optimistic. Even though they hadn't found any boroughs in Realo he was certain that the creatures had existed at some point perhaps even recently in the awesome. Me's back country is are offered the following theory. Our verdict. After much thought was that there is no longer a buru at reload but that one probably existed there until quite recent times until long after the boroughs of the Pattani tradition had been killed off he went on to say the boroughs of Carilo in fact may have existed until the time when the DAFA. I began cultivating the jungle. Covered sides of the swamp say ten in years ago once the surrounding mountainsides had been cleared of water holding trees. The process of silting up within the swamp itself would be vastly accelerated and this may have denied the Baru any possibility of further existence. Basically is are believed the Duff Lewis Deforestation Station of the hillsides and draining. The swamp had destroyed the booze habitat. The area was no longer able to flood as it used to. During the rainy season and the beasts were forced to leave or perish. The Dafa is of realo claimed that they'd seen the animals basking in the water during sunny days. He's in years before izard surmised that they must have seen the creatures in the early years before all the trees were gone and just took it for granted that they still still lived in the marsh. Everyone knew the summer rains. Brought out the booze so they continued to believe they were living in the valley. It wasn't until the expedition addition came looking for them that the Dafa is realized that the bruise had been driven off or died out due to habitat destruction. Jump Jar are a traveling Dafa leader and the doffs appointed government representative weighed in on the issue according to him the Duff Lewis had not seen a Buru during nineteen nineteen forty eight or possibly any recent year if any boroughs had been in Rio Valley. They were gone now but maybe they were still thriving elsewhere elsewhere at the end of his book. The hunt for the bureau is ARD expressed his desire to go on another expedition in search of the animal. He spoke about tracking from Real Valley through the jungle back to Zero Valley. Where the Tani's lived izard still believed believed that he could find the creature or at least some trace of it? In one of the many small swamps and marshes dotting the landscape he hoped to finally meet the Catania's himself and perhaps exhume the four buro burial sites scattered around Zero Valley. Alas this track was never to be not. There's not an official explanation as to why is our never traveled to the appetite or attempted to explore the area between zero and Realo after he published the hunt for the bureau in Nineteen fifty. One is our denison seemed to have published another word on the subject at all. Most likely he is our couldn't secure any financial backing for another trip. The Daily Mail funded the nineteen forty eight excursion with no real results. Not only that they'd been scooped. The Hindustan Times started publishing unverified reports about the Buru before is art was even. I'm back from the jungle. Without the support of his employer is ARD was never able to return to the jungles of some to find the beast. But maybe there was nothing for him to find in the months after his expedition dozens more explorers and journalists sat out from she long spurred by the report in the Hindustan Times of giant lizards stocking the Himalayan ridges these intrepid reporters and scientists ranged across Assam. Trying to find the Buru not one was successful much like the initial expedition. No other explorers were able to find any evidence of the Buru in Assam. Did it ever exist. Based on hard evidence evidence probably not stonier is art and Hodgkinson never found alive Buru they also never found bones skin din Daeng or any other indicators of an undiscovered reptile living in the marshes of Assam as for the other swamps dotting the landscape between between zero and Realo no formal expeditions have ever been sent to explore them. It certainly seems that the Buru if it ever existed did does not live in Assam today and it's difficult to take is arts theory that the beast once lived and then went extinct at face value. Oh you when absolutely no evidence of the creature has ever been found but we can't definitively say that the Buru never existed at all. The Buru was an integral part of the EPA. Tiny's oral tradition for generations before Charles donor ever heard of it which brings us to a new possibility. If the Buru didn't exist something had to inspire these stories even if it was just an expression of old legends and cultural cultural anxieties what if instead of a real creature the boo ru was something. More mythical so next we'll dive deeper into the lore surrounding the Buru of Assam. Hi It's molly and it's no mystery than I'm an animal lover. That's why I'm so thrilled. Tell you about podcasts. Latest Series Dong Tales House Dog Tales tells the true stories of heroic canines who have gone above and beyond their best friend duties. The dog and my life is named Corona. He's a rust. Colored terrier mix and his sweetest can be that his cuteness doesn't compare to the acts of bravery explored in this show every Monday dog tales. Embarks on a new journey of courage service an unwavering sacrifice by our most loyal companions. 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Tiny legend that his imagination had brought to life life what set many of the indigenous tribes in Assam apart from one another where the distinctive cultures and belief systems groups. Like the paraic up a Taiwanese and doff lose all lived in the same area of India but had their own entirely unique ways of life art and social structure as we mentioned last week. The PATANI is of Zero Valley where bureaus were said to roam long ago were incredibly isolated. Zero Valley is ringed on all sides by a range of Himalayan peaks. The opportunities therefore have a special relationship with the land and have have historically practiced conservationist agriculture due to careful consideration in their cultivation practices. They were able to live off the bounty of the valley without the need for outside goods. Save for occasional trading with the nomadic. doff lose the tiny's rarely left zero valley when stone or visited them is are noted though they are in India many have never seen in Indian let alone a white man. The tribes CBS People's donors spoke to hadn't even heard of Mahatma Gandhi who helped lead India to its independence just a year before in nineteen forty seven. All of this means that with no outside influence or knowledge the opportunities stories of a legendary swamp monster could've taken on a life for their own over time later. Generations came to believe that the Brewers of myth were actually real. But then then there's the question of where those tales came from initially. We can try to answer this by comparing their oral traditions to those of other valleys like zero which are scattered throughout northern Assam. Many have swamps and deep pools each with their own mitha logical significance in his research which is found that some of the other local tribes had legends and stories about particular pools many were said to be the dwellings of spirits. Let's on their expedition to Reload Valley. Many of the local doff. LA's were reluctant to get close to certain grotto's in pools of water near the swamp. They told. Hold the expedition that they were homes to evil and vengeful supernatural beings who would punish them for trespassing. The spirits that were said Ed to live in the pools and marshes were often formless non-core porio entities they were not tangible solid creatures large urge heavy physically imposing Burros bore little in common with these sorts of spirits but the idea of magical water dwellers may have combined with other legends. Those of dragons. The Buru certainly fit some descriptions of dragons. They were giant Reptilian creatures with incredible strength. They were intelligent and could enact vengeance like in the story of the mother Burro you pulling the Warriors House down after he killed her baby while they didn't fly according to the Tani's they were able to magically survive if buried deep under the swamp for the dry season then booze emerged like springtime flowers when the rains came once more. The Dragon Maggie Smith has appeared in many cultures around the world. Stories of these creatures are part of the cultural fabric of China England Scandinavia and and the Middle East that the archetype crosses into so many distinct cultures is remarkable dragons of flown across borders through language barriers and into books worldwide. But they've never existed. So why is it that they're so universal. There are two prevailing prevailing schools of thought when it comes to the pervasive nature of the Dragon Myth the first according to anthropologist David e Jones is that the dragon sprang from humanity's shared instinctive fear of snakes. Jones argues that the sphere morphed over time into the stories of violent monstrous monsters. Dragons perhaps the origin of the Burros was similar to this. It was a magical creature inspired by real dangers. The appetizers forefathers others had to face swamps in India are known for varied in dangerous reptilian fauna including snakes and crocodiles. The other argument humint made by historian. Adrian may or in her book. The first fossil hunters is that fossils have influenced draconic myths. Humans humans made up dragon stories to explain the preserved bones of dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals that they covered the term dinosaur dinosaur wasn't even coined until eighteen forty two but humans discovered fossils for generations before that a giant powerful supernatural natural creature like a dragon would be a good explanation for the massive bones. That early explorers found whichever explanation you believe for thousands thousands of years. Humans thought the dragons existed the stories were repeated so often and woven so tightly into cultural memory that dragons were at times thought to be real creatures all over the world the Buru could be a microcosm of the Dragon Myth. There was a precedent in the area for tales of supernatural swamp creatures with powers the evil spirits in the pools. The Opera Tani's may have come up with their own type of water spirit. This one however was a scaly powerful vengeful monster the Buru combined features features of fearful reptiles with the magical aspects of musical water sprites and their legendary creature must've seemed unquestionably real. When UPA Tani's unearth bones? That perfectly matched the monster from their stories in Zero Valley. The Tani's showed zoologist Charles. Charleston owner four different sites where they claimed gurus were buried but stone. Her never actually dug the mounts up the EPA Tani's honey's wouldn't let him desecrate the graves and no other expedition was mounted to check what was buried there. There's no telling what was actually under under the mountains could have been dinosaur bones bison skeletons or nothing at all. Unfortunately we don't know because donor didn't know and in the years since his expedition there's been no report of any one excavating the burial sites in reload valley without some kind of hard physical evidence. The brew could very well have been a mythical beast that stoner mistook for a real animal. This this argument while very convincing is not without its flaws in his book the hunt for the Buru is art related. Aided House Turner was certain that the brew had to be a real animal convinced by the appetite and Dafa descriptions that this had to be the case ace. He dismissed any notion. It was a legendary beast. Stonier was a nationally recognized zoologist ethnologist for the specialty in the Assam region is art had been a journalist for almost seventeen years at the time he went on the nineteen forty eight expedition with their combined. Experience Syrians they were gifted at parsing out facts from fiction. And they were convinced that the appetite didn't believe the guru was the spirit instead they maintain that it was a normal living creature as tangible as the buffalo that wandered through their valley. There was compelling circumstantial stansel evidence that pointed to the beast's existence for one thing. The TANIS weren't the only people who claim to have seen it ten years before the Expedition Dafa 's moved into Real Valley fifty miles away. We Lo- is incredibly similar to Zero Valley. In terms of of topography. Like zero realo was filled with a massive swamp when the arrived. The Duff Lewis claimed that they found creatures creatures living in the marshes that they to call booze their description of these animals with surprisingly similar to the swamp monsters of zero valley complete with long necks and tails horse cries and Reptilian bodies even though the expedition was unable to find evidence of bureaus unrealized valley. The Dafa were adamant that they'd once lived there. They claim they were often seen during their first few years in the valley when toffler is cultivated the hilltops overlooking the water while they hadn't spotted a Buru in the past year. They still believe the animals lived in the valley. It was a fact of life in Rio. A marker of the changing seasons like the bamboo growing in spring. or The rain's coming. In April Buro were not a legendary beasts to the dafkos having been in the valley no longer than a decade. They didn't have enough time to establish and passed down in oral the tradition of a monster. The way the Chinese had this is perhaps one of the greatest pieces of evidence in favor of the existence of the Buru. It's unlikely that the ductless simply invented the creature out of thin air and with the appetite as being so isolated. It's hard to believe. Their story spread fifty miles to reload. Even if it did is improbable that the daffodils then took it on faith that burroughs lived in their swamp to do without ever seen one to add to this evidence. There are tales of other almost identical creatures floating around the Indian subcontinent point. Two thousand miles away from Realo valley in the northwestern Indian state of Gujarat. There is an area called gear national park. This forested land is home to Asiatic Lions Leopards wild boars crocodiles and monitor lizards in the early twentieth century. It was rumored to be home to another legendary giant reptile. That you're of gear. It was supposedly a lizard that was twenty feet long semi aquatic and shared. It's marshland habitat with saltwater crocodiles. It is also never been found the similarities between the juror gear and the Buru are startling. They hail from opposite sides of India but sound like the exact same beast. They're both giant reptiles with four legs. That lurk in Indian swamps something something inspired people an entire subcontinent away to tell stories of a creature that bears a striking similarity to the Buru. It's unlikely that the same legend spontaneously sprang up across multiple unrelated cultures with barely any contact therefore or. It's very hard to say that the boo was a completely mythical animal while there are a lot of convincing points for this theory Stonier is are the appetite Catania's and the Duffala all thought the creature was real and maybe it was perhaps the tiny's didn't come up with a bureau. Oh after discovering long fossilized dinosaur bones maybe those bones were much more recent instead of a fantastical dragon and perhaps Behrouz were very real. Dinosaur that terrorized Assam. Well into the modern age coming up. We'll find out which terrifying creatures could have been stocking the dark Himalayan jungles now back to the story. The Buru is still an enigma today. Over fifty years after an expedition expeditions set out into the jungle to find it. According to journalist Rafe is art that Buru was a real creature that simply went extinct shortly before they could find it others believe that the Buru never really existed at all and was actually mythological creature. According to this this theory the was a folk tale. The Charles Stone and Rafe is hard mistook for a real animal. So did this giant reptile L. Creature really live among the Dafa 's and the Tani's if it did its immense size wasn't some sort of strange anomaly. It sounds incredible. Incredible but this wasn't the first time a giant reptile or lizard lived among humans. When the first people landed in Australia a sixty five thousand years ago they found the continent to be an exceedingly dangerous? Plays one of the apex predators of the landmass. US was the colossal meg. Alenia a venomous monitor Lizard. Set To be twenty to thirty feet. Long the Mega Negga Lania was not a true dinosaur. But a species of mega-fauna that lived during the Pleistocene era more commonly known as the Ice Age it shared the Australian Australian continent with predatory marsupial lions and giant die protons which were enormous ancestors to the wombat Megalomania now also referred to as the ripper lizard was the largest terrestrial lizard to have ever existed. It lived side by side with humans is in Australia for thousands of years until it went extinct. Approximately fifty thousand years ago. While this is clearly a prehistoric eric example it serves to illustrate the truly incredible creatures that have flourished alongside humans on this earth and other more recent stories revealed veiled similar seemingly impossible creatures have thrived right under humanities knows in nineteen o nine when explorer. We're an African big game hunter. Carl Hagenbeck published his autobiography beasts and men one particular story captured the public's attention in Rhodesia now modern day Zimbabwe something monstrous stock the shores of a remote lake. Whatever it was it it had to be big? It was snacking on hippos normally. The top of the African food chain stories had circulated around the area. Yeah for years about a creature. Living in the jungle that was supposedly half elephant and Half Dragon. The beast was aquatic back but could also walk on land had an incredibly long neck muscular tail and large horn on its head. Haagen Beck's speculated speculated that the Rhodesian animal must be some sort of living dinosaur most likely at type of Brontosaurus however he never located the animal himself and died a few years later of a snake bite but the story of the Half Elephant Half Dragon was widely disseminated. It'd soon more. Articles were published about dinosaurs discovered in others central and southern African nations like Zambia and the Congo Longo in one thousand nine hundred thirteen reports from Cameroon spoke of a similar creature to Haagen. Beck's the Mo- Kelly and Bambi as it was called was was terrorizing the jungle in two thousand one. A BBC film crew interviewed a tribe of Indigenous Bianca people in the Congo about the mckelway Mbemba. During the course of filming the crew showed the interviewees a field guide of known African in animals. The crew was surprised when many of the Bianca Interviewees pointed out the mckelway Ambi in the field guide the long necked necked single horned creature of legend was actually the African Rhino the documentary crew theorized that the stories about the creature Chur. We're really a mix of folklore and a cultural memory of the African Rhino which had lived in that area of the Congo hundreds of years before the tribes ancestors who remembered the Rhino had passed down a description of it through stories of the mckelway Embi. This story is a good good reminder that legends and myths sometimes have simple explanations and the Buru might also have a similar resolution was was it a real dinosaur. Living among the Tani's could it have been a cultural memory of another creature as with the mckelway am bay or was it something else entirely stone and is our themselves puzzled over other possible explanations for the animal for a while stone or theorized that the beasts may just have been swamp turtles but then realized that those turtles would be spotted leaving the marsh to lay eggs eggs another theory. They dismissed was that the valley was once home to giant long fish. These long ill like fish. Have fascinated fascinated scientists due to their unique characteristics. Like the Buro Lung Fish live in freshwater and can also be there. They have two who pairs of long tapered fins in the same place that land creatures would have their front and back legs however lung fish are much smaller within the monster. The described with the longest ever recorded being just over four feet long. In addition while ancient lung fish were wide ranging today there are only found in Africa South America and Australia stone and Izzard also considered the bureau may actually be sort of rare or extinct swamp crocodile. There is an animal that fits description called the mugger or Mersch Crocodile. It lives in southern Iran Pakistan and India. The Mugger crocodile dwells in marshes feeds on live birds fish and mammals and burrows into the dirt to hibernate during the winter dry season. The Mugger also has a long snout a powerful tail and short clawed feet that help it dig like a mole. It sounds strikingly similar to the Buru however charlestoncounty ask the opportunities about just this possibility. His interviewees we're familiar with the concept of crocodiles and alligators. Although many of them mm-hmm had never seen one they claim that the Buru was a completely different creature whilst owner believed them. It's still possible. They were mistaken after all. The upper tinies were isolated. The Buru could have been a misidentified crocodile since the Tani's were never confronted with the Mugger. Crocodiles away the Bianca were with the African Rhino. It's hard to be definitively sure that the Buru wasn't some ordinary ordinary already discovered creature in spite of these factors. It's possible even likely that booze are just ordinary animals like like mugger. Crocodiles over the years the stories of these crocodiles may of heightened them to mythic status among the appetite. And this is the tail they they related to Charleston owner. This would wrap the issue of neatly but the truth is there is only as much evidence for the Mugger. Crocodile feary as has any of the other ones we've discussed the Buru could be a myth a dinosaur or any other extinct creature or perhaps the species is still alive but well hidden from explorers awaiting discovery. Such things aren't unheard of in nineteen thirty. Ate a fisherman in South Africa pulled a sealer calf out of the ocean. Roughly sixty five million years after it was supposed to have gone extinct. A Seila camp is a bony fish. Many scientists refer to as a living fossil as before. It's nineteen thirty eight rediscovery. It was ought to have died out in the late Cretaceous period. This is just one example suggesting that it's perfectly possible for scientists and explorers Laura to have completely overlooked living species stonier and is our didn't just think the bureau was real. They bank their careers on this belief and the Buru wasn't the last legendary creature they sought to discover living in the real world in nineteen fifty. Four Rafe is art and Charles. Stone are reunited on a Daily Mail. Funded track through Nepal in search of the Yeti much like the brew Expedition Expedition. There were certain they would find evidence of the strange abominable snowman. In fact the impetus for the trip was was the discovery of a reported yet. He scowled at a monastery in the Nepalese village of Peng Gucci again like in the Buru investigation Asian they were unable to find any discernible proof of the ETI whilst donor examined the scalp and reported did belong to a type of junior abominable snowman. This claim was never substantiated in both the Buru and the abominable snowman expeditions storeowner and is art. Were perhaps to open to fantastic stories in the years since their expedition most reputable scientists and biologists have declared that it it is impossible for the Yeti to be roaming along the Himalayan ridges the strands of hair from the scalp. That stone brought to England for analysis. Were inconclusive -clusive. The footprints found in the snow were dismissed out of hand. Unfortunately with the Yeti it seemed like is art and stone excitement clouded their scientific judgment could the same thing have happened on their trek to find the Buru. It's possible is our came to his conclusion inclusion that the Buru existed due to the sunk cost fallacy. He'd invested so much time money and effort into the expedition that he couldn't accept that it all had been for nothing instead he preferred to believe that the animal was real but had gone extinct. This notion is just as possible as other popular theories like that still lives today hidden in the jungle or that it's a mythical spirit invented to explain unearth fossils or even that. The Buru is simply a mugger. Crocodile without proof off. Who are we to say? Perhaps one day soon with all the new technology we have at our disposal someone in modern day. India we'll stumble across evidence of Abreu until then it will stay in the realm of Himalayan myth where black tigers and fearsome awesome Yetis Rome. Thanks again again. For Tuning into unexplained mysteries. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode for more information on the nineteen forty eight expedition amongst the many sources we used we found. Rafe is arts. Book the hunt for the Buru extremely helpful to our research you can find. All episodes of unexplained unexplained mysteries and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music. 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Awkward Positions: Sex That Is
"Thank goodness com. Patty. Stomp. You'll try. Badchi? Welcome back to the combat divas podcast issue grill t g and you grow tissue be Owen onto day. Look, if you get kids in the room get him out, if you're sensitive about sex talking, I don't know push not approved or you can go play this way out, but you can push mute. So I can still get to listen, let's talk about sex talking about let's talk about you and me to Nishit B's favorite topic way is. Oh. Dog about six less about. No, it's not my okay. Anyway, so about sex, so we will have an conversation maybe about a week ago. Just talking about on personal experience. And we just happened up on all these different sexual 's scenarios to where it just looks good. Maybe on a good TV or movie scene, but like not all that doable ero- life or not all that pleasurable as they make it look like in the movies. So the main one is shower sex our showers sex in. How is just not all that easy to do? It looks really great on this showers thing. But like it's just the carrying out of it all is like someone's going to get cold. I mean, someone's going get too much watering their face the Babbit slippery like the surfaced slippery. You can't really hold yourself. Right. You can't hold them up. They can't hold you up. This is the awkward the water you face thing. First of all if you do shower sex with a black girls NAT that day, she got on shower cap. So it's not all together sexy. No because we are not even forsakes. Is not gonna happen. Oh, alcohol. So let's say I'm just taking shout ladder. Here comes you know. My man in shower in one of us is actually in the water in the other one is not right. So even if he's in the show he's in the water and not I just like the water hit my face. Don't really work out. Like, I'm I'm constantly. No. Like, you hit a lot because I'm trying to put the word out getting my nose, and is just not is not we're gonna as kind of closed because all the water is just like. Just like if you decide like, okay, y'all both gonna be in the water. But then you wanna get down. You're like, oh, give them a little head. No hit. So me. I got short hair. And I'm like I wear my head natural. So like, if it drops water drop down, my hair down, my hair, it's going to beat up, anyway, whatever, but the whole thing the water coming down on your head running down in your face in your eyes. I would. And then you trying to give them a good time. You. You gotta you gotta policy on hold a of the size. So you like, oh, okay. You drown sad. So so you'll get all the water in your face. But in this water down him, and it's like splashing off in your face on. He's trying to hold himself up. Ain't no grips is is this ni-. It could be rub and less Gotti. Like like Kiei, get big shower. So maybe if you got a huge shower like, they get I know I still can't even see the because you see about the water issue. It's it's very difficult. But even if the okay, so I've seen the layout of their shower. So you can like I think they have a way you could sit down in there. Right. Even if you try I've tried that too. That has that little seat. Yeah. That that's still not even all that feasible because it's slippery. Right. You going to sit on their they going to Latin up, even if you get on top is is just sounds like someone's going to die. It's very difficult, especially if you. You know, you guys aren't the same height either. Because like if the woman is shortness she kinda getting on tippy toes trying to you know, like like just get in there. It's very rough is very shower. Sex. Looks good on the bad part is when I see these things on the movies idea research episode, and I see these things in the movies, and I'm like that looks easy like ship. No problem. She gets into shower he's in shower, and that could miss the have, you know, this hot steam love. But like realize like, I've tried it. All more Kazin never works out. Like, you can kinda get started. But it's not gonna finish in the shower. It's a hazard really issue. Hot and heavy fondling. I mean that's hot. I mean, you can grab low as he could find you titties like play plumbing. You get a little like, you just all you just hug and hold or rub and kids that's. If somebody was filming like, probably right, but not the actual actual you trying to like you trying to hold back the shower trying to bend over and trying to penetrate, and it's just like, okay. So now, I'm cold. Yeah. Because the temperature, but they get oughta water on them. But then is running is if you got a heat in even if it's the same amount of warmth because now you run to the risk into hot. So now it's like literally having sex in the Sam. And I don't know if you have a try before either. But that's not enough. Because no matter what when you haven't sakes. Now you hot, you know, if you have six in the sauna you you might pass out like you myself from dehydration because you only go all the way saying minutes maximum Asana team. And we'll talk. Saunas? All. Yeah. Fifteen minutes. Okay. You're right. Okay. Health reasons complications. I just noticed showers. It looks good though in the movies. It looks good on every on every platform. But it went tried. It does not work out just like sex bath to that. Also doesn't work out. It looks great though. It looks like is definitely doable. It looks like I should we should be able to get in the bathtub, and, you know, have some nice live gone, but it's just the visual fondles on because I mean that water getting up the like that in the female vagina is this is not very dangerous. I mean now you thrown off UPA balance. You you run the risk of getting some type of I don't know as really rough. I don't know if it's not a good time for the female. I mean, it's a great time for the guy. He's probably gonna like loved it. I was hot. We'll be like. I think I need to go to the. You'll stomach going to be hurt. Everything will be hard to you get out of bathroom. And then if it depends on who you who you wit. I mean if. What if like, I just feel like if what was that in my mind? Well, I understood aerial now. Like like, okay, y'all says we do it, and he has orgasm and to. Was happening. They're like, where's their floaty going? You get out. I don't even want to be in there with it. Like, that's nasty. You have been in water and in NASA. No, we got her hop on the water. Do you awkwardly? Just stay in it. Ooh. No you want to do you. Just hop out. You gotta hurry up get up. I'm just saying. I would I don't want to put myself in that position. I mean where the water is. Okay. We're in the water, and I get it. And then it happens. And then you gotta floaty then. Now that Florida is in the water you see the floaty like you see like a bubble bath. Ooh, that's even worse. Now, you can't see now on the whereas it that calls me. It calls me. I've got up and get out the one awful like have you had this scenario? I can't relate. It sells personal. I'm just saying he's just gotta get out. But I have a problem with like BMX being on west faces like that like, even if even if we are in a in a bed and this happens, and you know, it's great, right? So there's liquid and if on the bed, I can't sleep on the bed. Like like, I can't just put a towel down. We move on to actually take cheats off if they have to go out with new sheets on the bed in could have a restful sleep weather than that. I can't put a towel down. Like, okay. This is the wet spot. And I just put a towel down as asleep on the west by. Oh, well, I can't be in the bed constantly westbound inner change it when I get up. I'm not I mean bit is if I spit out ups, I'm just gonna get it to you gotta get on that side. And I'm just I got a problem though area. Like, I have to change a sheet, I can mmediately I'm not changing the sheets. I can't imagine just just that floaty. Okay. I'm sitting in knows I'm back to the floaty back to this knowing that they're floaty. Is there you have to get out. By soon as you see him making the faces of orgasm like, wait a minute. Did you come on? I have to get these wanna just catch it with just get. Oh to guess you'd be ladies and gentlemen way. Just catch. It just catch. You know? He's just oh. The man, but we sit in the tube. So often the I have to get up to catch it. I'm not gonna fight against water. Osmosis means that. Very high cost, and I don't know. I look that's another phone those on for me. I'm not fucking into. I'm just not big big little I'll just not fucking it up because you can't I don't want everybody slippery slide drought. I can't swim. The funny part. Hey, slim. Hold water either. So it's just like, yeah. That's gonna be hard for me. Just like the coming to America saying it was up under the water. Like how exactly I can't do that ever since? I was and that's a shame because I saw that that moving a little ever since the trying to figure out how underwater that loan Tomas is clean. Okay. The Royal penises clean your highness. Well, wait a minute you under the all time. How single swimmers I guess I mean, that's a bad way today. Like, you just you Underwood all that time. How do you explain it do all have a good time? And then I can't swim either. So maybe people who can hold their breath alone. I'm I can't I can't hold my breath. Suck a dick. I can't. On the water. On the water. You go choke. And then what you do joke. You know, what's going on down? Now. He just know. He's like is is great is great. But you down legit dying. Right now is nobody Underwood on my bucket list. Well, if you can't do it. I applaud you because you get some skills that other people don't get not might know one person actually be down major skills. Not be done, some snuck gear, maybe snorkel gear. That's a good idea. I could do. The. Is hard enough to excited if I'm around cover up, you get them to know. You still in the same position. Like this is now it's something about maybe something about water that we get the ended. Okay. We got a lot of people do this though. I mean, they've made a whole franchise the sippers of markers themselves on being able to have sex and water. So I don't know Seh get you. And then you think you're gonna have this pleasant scene. Like you see on the side or is. And they kick in water, and they rub it no is just you just just fumble each other into water. I don't think. You have the little waterfall and you hold each other. And you look at each other all lovingly and whatnot. And just rub in hug, and whatever. But you're not supposed to just bam bang. It out. Have you ever had water run on you and try to have tried to do anything? Like, you can't I can't kiss somebody with water run. No me. Now, I can't because the water's face like you can't do nothing about it as the most unattractive thing in the world is for somebody to keep. That's nasty. Like, you're one of the year. One has will mean some don't care which doing like this. Okay. Where? On it out. This sexy, actually. You keep spitting out another one. Another one is beach six beach. So that's another thing that I'll be it. Looks good on TV is clearly looks good on TV they right there and the water running into the shore, and they at the edge and water room. They rolled around and have a good dad. Just looks good on TV. But realistically like you think you've got questions like is a saying in crotch exactly they rolled around saying it on his do you like is it going to be like, it's just too many things. They can go wrong. We know how hard it is to get saying avenue period. Just in general like, okay, we've been wrecked. So saying in general every was hard to get rid of like you can't wash San out like you have to watch in wash in wash saying even out your clothes. I have sand particles little particles writing gets in your system, like if you have a few out there, and in desert, or whatever we just in San somebody kicks up enough singing and you around like when you away from the sand. Whatever you go home. You you honk your nose. You you, you know, you spit or you blow your nose is saying. Yeah. Yeah. So imagine like you rolling around on Shingo vagina gets in like just even for a guy a guy. I don't wanna them saying between his ass cheek. I don't think that's a good time. Yeah. I wanted his anus is this. And then you all of a sudden, you gotta go to the wipe chairs because saying particles. I think as cliche, I think people think sex on the beaches, cool because as a drink be watch movies and people be like sex in six on the beach. And we think is a good time. It's fun. But I think it's really cliche even long walks on the beach. It depends on the beach, but sand on the beach is hard. So like you had to get your feet. Gotta get used to it. I used to walk on hot coals. And that's how I feel like when you walking on sand as really hard. So long walks along the beach like short little while short walk along the beach. So if I'm going to have sex on the beach is in a battle. Okay. Because that's the way it's supposed to be done because there's no saying on this Cabana, but it was sex. They don't show a lot of Cabana sick. I know I'm just I'm just letting the people know like when you say sex on the beach. That's probably what you mean. In a in a safe space. Nice clean on the beach style. No careful about your movements. You got. So you reverse it around somebody's tops my bottom. Somebody's gonna have a bad time. Exactly. And as inevitable. I was in Jamaica. And it was a a couple of the Caucasian persuasion. And it was it was at night. Now. Jamaica says you're not supposed to go into beach at night. Right. They don't they don't like to walk the beach at night and on some of the resorts, right because we men out this type shit going on right? So anyway, I wasn't Jamaican. I went to visit a we man and own while I was there. There was a couple in the ocean like the salt ocean out there, and they was getting it on. And I remember looking at them thinking she's gonna be so sick tomorrow. Like like nothing about it was romantic. It was just like really sorry for. She's really sick moves an ocean in the ocean. Now think about all the. Weed and all the floats in the ocean as this coming up number salt and seaweed in little particles of stuff. It was all I could think about it wouldn't romantic me. Like, I'm sure to them. They were like prior newly whiz just burns and speaking burns. No, not speak. Wait what carpets six oh. What are we going? Carpet sakes, because I know I know you've had a rogue rogue burn too. So I was just wanted to. I mean, I have shade of it. All. Carpet or having sex on the floor as always been no-go for me to people. It's too. It's too much friction, and I can't control it. And so I got a problem with it. Even if you have a blanket down like it could be like a whiff low and how to blanket down it's still like the rubbing I still as a lot of friction. Yes. Still got a little rug mar well blanket. Down. I think a robot this different now. But I mean, it's still on a blanket or you don't wanna sheet now hill now like a blanket blanket like, oh, okay. Yeah. Blanket, but the sheet well fuck want to have sex on his sheep. You can't control come into urges. Not on the sheet on the floor. Like, she a blanket blanket. Yeah. Okay. You got me spent money. Okay. Obliged sex on a blanket now does sheet on a wolf floor even the carpet floor at this point. I don't even have sex on the floor. Like is this too old for that? But you get a lotta trauma today. Like, your your your body hurt you, but hurt you get a blow burn here. Like just a rub it like if you on a bottom is not a good time for you on top. It's not a good time for your knees. Like is this is still a hard? Okay. So on the Floyd is hard to be on top for female because it's hard to get your footing. I don't know how you get you grew up on the floor is very difficult. I would I would agree with it. But if he top I don't see a problem with a hard floor, and if he's on a blanket even on a blanket if you got your heart like just just your naked. But like blanket like, okay, okay. Let's say that moon. I'll just a basic. Blanket. Let's say comforter like. Is a little more fluffy than a blanket. And we on a comforter is not too bad. Maybe maybe not. I don't know. But on a bear road. That's why draw a Beira. I'm sorry. I can't relate. Well, not a bear Roby a are bear be. So if we're on a rogue, and we're naked. That's that's going to be difficult bear barrow. Like, you know, if we rogue and we ski resort Barra now. That's the sexy. That is the sexiest thing isn't that? Right. But it's the sexiest thing I think if we own the road you is inevitably get road barn. You're gonna get an all the wrong places. I don't like it. Yeah. Especially on the button, you smaller. You beg is where you're gonna get the most berm by road, burn. Okay. How old you kneecap Joan kneecap personal spirits Juwan robo? About. You got to jog get robo unique like you jeans, because you can have put a band aid on candle friction kneecaps. Okay. So carpet at all. It drives me may. And I have a lot of places carpet is not one of them a car. Difficult in what kind of sex you haven't in the car? Okay. Explain like like if someone's driving and you give them here while they drive. I don't see issue. Those issue. It sounds. It. Sounds really cool. It's pretty cool easing is it. Yeah. I think that's a good time. Yeah. I think you should do it actually if you out there, and you married, and you would you man or or does your man give Manica shoot? If if you haven't done it. I don't know how safe, you know, let me live living life on the while at. But I don't know how that is. Control. He close way. Dr he might now. Doing the you're doing down. Now if he got good discipline? Okay. He don't wanna kill both y'all. He keep his hey, going keeps open way. He drive it going full. I think you should do it. Yeah. Go not do that. I mean don't be scared about it do that. I mean, if you experience anything it should be given while he driving. That's amazing. Yeah. That's a pro tip. It's a pro tip. And he thank you for a lot. Like, he's gonna be the most grateful person Elta avenue like. He don't shake a little bit. If you ain't even in the car, you could be somewhere else, and he driving down it exact point where y'all going. He goes shake a little bit. It's gonna do some. Oh may remember that that, you know, you wanna keep that memory in his now this that's really that's hard facts right there. I like that keep it in your Dick's. Okay. So being picked up and not draw is what I'm thinking about the picked up and dropped having a person a pick you up so having sex against the wall. Okay. So they and have this extra to emit their innocence year. So like the scene baby boy would do squat and India. I don't think it's difficult. I mean, it looks good in the movie, but it's hard to realize. I maybe maybe it's just I'm not in enough. The this strong enough, but trying to pick me up and successfully do that for a period of time is rough maybe one or two, but this they carried to the bid they got here. Thank you down on the bed. They pay them hit the Bizet trying to pick it back. Scratch my face. Everytime. I I used to see it in the movies. All you know, what that looks fun. Forget it was a young at this time. But I was watching a movie hit trick on to do this and ninety by nature church him love and a bullet love, and he that's the name of the movie. Anyway, we'll go back to it was. It was a Jason's Jason none of them. All he did layer to forgot about when ahead sex in the in the in the TV stool, he picked up like that. Anyway, I'm just saying that that's difficult. It also Jason difficult. I'll tell you that have a bit of flowers that is. You had flowers? Tell me about it is not great. I'll tell you that because you got all flowers leave residue you. So you got all this stuff. Smear and all year and bugs. I mean. I commend Jada. I mean, she deeded okay heat. But at the end of the day to just like did they have a blanket down you and see I felt like they have all Jason one no blanket. That was not rated whatever it was called Jefferson. Good stuff right there. Now that was one of America's best thing was, but I don't know if it's all together feasible to have sex in the bed of flowers looked amazing every six seeing that they hit and Jason look amazing. Yeah. But it was last six it, always great. It is. Doesn't in looks pretty it. Looks very looks pretty thin trying to carry out in real life is just not all the all that pretty somebody's going to try to get a bug out. They mouth was my is net out. Now, even like is just not really rough. No, it's just not a good. What it looked great though? I mean now, that's great falls dutiful sane you like, I just love love and wanna be in love and just look. Yeah. But real life, you sweat and bug. It is hard to get up with a whole bunch of bug bites on your s. It is it is hard. So the pick me up the bath. The shower was on the carpet, all it, reverse cowgirl. Now, I will you have problem verse Cal, I don't particularly like reverse cowgirl because it's like, okay, they looking at your back you looking at they knees. Trying to hold yourself. You whole legs on it or you hold a feat depend on high. I don't know. Lay? Is this is not like the scenery is great is not as not. I'm looking at your feet with your toes. Like now, I'm over here. Looking like if you got on socks is weird. It was like, okay. I know. Well, you know, I prefer sucks almost sock lover Usak lever. Yeah. I'm gonna put your socks type of person. Well, if they got patterns you wanna see patterns while you're doing reverse cowgirl patterns on socks. I like socks almost sock parson. So I don't I don't like like. Like. About I found myself holding their ankles, and that's not cool. I just don't like it doesn't is not appealing to me. It's like, I mean, you hold kneecap. So you Nate calf's the only great part about it that they're obviously getting great satisfaction. But like watching as bounce up and down. But you you over here like us this. I don't know what to put my. Yeah. You had to put my hand ankle knee ankle knee new ankle. Now's the bike around. Yeah. You move into much. We started. They need you slide down at the end. When you first started around the drilling. Yes, they greatness like they like often flip it on you turn around you go. And then it's okay. Now, this tarmac rat. And that's but when I was like like like more like when I was pregnant I didn't like on top at all because I just did like the way everything look down there. Yeah. For my view. Everything went great. And unlike it. Like you had a whole lot of belly. Yeah. But it was just like carry life. But you just don't feel all that sexy is really like it's a lot of like everything's bows into. Back on the bottom. Now. But like we like like me and love it. So there's like beautiful like you just won't say you say anything right now. I don't believe that they you say, gorgeous, whatever. We go type of changes so year on top. It depends on how I feel looking would being on top. And this is one of my favorite positions. But being on top is very difficult. If I'm not feeling great about myself as a person. So I think I listened to let us know if we miss something in box us about anything that we do any other awkward positions. Just looks great on TV and movies and just not altogether feasible off you had sex on the plane. Oh, we let me know sex plane. Yeah, it's hard as on the plane. It's easy is one may make it out to be that lavatory smaller than apart adjusts on the plane is easy. Yeah. Now actual six. I'm not sure I'm not I'm not certain because being in that little bitty bathroom having sex with that bluewater freaked me out like what if the water get on me? Now, forget just put the the water's blue. I don't like it just puts. Then you you really don't even have an of room and people turn around stuff in his bathroom. I don't like is germs. It's the bathroom is disgust. So on the plane is a little bit more difficult more difficult. It's not it's a little bit difficult for me on the plane. Like it. I feel like I can't even try. I thought about it just being inside the bathroom. And I was just like how does it? How to fuck? Do you even do this like how you are? Yeah. It was really tall y'all cane. I'm already tall seven. I'm already to Tom. Yeah. You can't do it on a plane, right? Sure. People probably can do playing. When will we get us a private plane, and I get a chance to you know, just if I had a private plane. I ain't gotta go to the bathroom up added playing. I mean peace give me sorry. Sorry. He what? Thanks. Bathrooms peaking. I'm sorry. 'cause I because I meant piss on. I don't be people mostly. Is your money? Would you just piss win? I get a private. Yeah. Sex. Nope. On Santa plane passenger planes. Is you got? And then just hang it out. Give me a private jet like await now, maybe not bow well shade. But so yeah. Let us go. We missed anything like they should be if USX or the place that you felt like it was just awkward or you had goes of having sex in the place, and you think it's doable. Or you agree with some of these positions that we talked about that us know. Be how can they reach us? Hey, battles. You can reach us at combat D was podcast on Instagram as well as YouTube combat divas, pow one on our Twitter account combat was podcast g mail dot com. Combat divas podcast on our Facebook page. We'll see you all there by. Combat Jeeva stomp. You'll try combats.
Little Atoms 536 - Nell Stevens' Mrs Gaskell and Me
"This is little atoms a radio show about ideas and coacher with me nail Denny. This week, the look stories of two women to send you is in the new memoir from now Stevens, MRIs, gasoline me. No Stevens lives in London where she teaches creative writing at goldsmiths. She has a PHD Torian literature from King's College London, an MFA in fiction from Boston University. Previously, the author of bleak house now is new book MRs Gaskell may to women to love stories, two centuries apart. We're going to be talking about day. No, welcome to thank you. Say what you having the anomaly to describe the book. And specifically in this case, there is a disclaimer at the beginning that does more than the usual some names of in change to protect the innocent or whatever. How would you describe the book? I always land on this highly unsatisfactory term sort of memoir at its satisfies. Absolutely. I want it doesn't satisfy. I've made, but it's the closest I can come to what I've done with both miscall me my first book a house which is to use my own life and restrict myself in no way by doing that, I'm primarily Uttley. Really interested in telling stories. I've also very interested in using life for that purpose, but I have never made a decision to stick to accuracy rather than intrigue, and I've let myself do that. And that's why both my books have very slippery disclaimers in which is Gina, I love I love the memoir disclaimer. People have done really interesting things that I have tried to add to that with with the disclaimer. Wiscon- me two tracks spoke. There's a sections are addressed to Lisbeth Gasco in the second person and then narrative. That is your own more contemporary narrative about you basically struggling to complete day or metro. And so again, obviously with the memoir about yourself, what you've just described face the idea. Now you've changed some names, my chance of -cations or whatever, but essentially what you're telling his things happen to you. But in terms of the the MRs Gasco sections how sections been researched. So the material in them is material that I research during my day, that was the beginning of the work. It's not gonna forced in that sense, a lot of material cut from my thesis. So this book was a chance to redeem this stuff that I had. She found far more interesting than what ended up in my thesis in the end. So it has a basis in really genuinely rigorous academic reset, the kind that might very beleaguered academic supervisor got me eventually to do. But with that, I've jumped off from that. And the second person is really important in this book. It's not a biography. There is an amazing biography of Gasco by Jenny UPA the I really don't think top for a while. And this book is certainly not. Trying to do that. The second person was away to revel in subjectivity essentially to say, I'm looking at you MRs Gaskell and this is what I see. So this is kind of I lurking behind their second person sections in that sense. I think of it as a book that's almost entirely in the first person because it is kind of exploring the fact that I really really cannot know her and the scraps of materials that we have letters, her books. I'll completely insufficient to have any sense of this person really was we're all using huge amounts of much nation when we talk about figures in the past, and I wanted to sit in that and revel in that and get things wrong as necessary. And in the narrative about my work, there's a little getting things wrong. And I wanted to play with that. How fun with that and say, this is my MRs gas coal. She certainly not yours. And so when would use the same material and see something completely different. And that's brilliant. I think we're, we're aware of the the constrains the people that were writing. At that time we're run, but she was friends with. I mean, I guess you couldn't go Charlotte, Runcie, MRIs, Brunswick confused because. But why is why is with Gasco still remains node as MRs Gasco I have such a hard time with it. I was thinking about this earlier, so I think it has to be fundamentally because on some level it's just Ceuta and that's really uncomfortable for us. I'm the president who feels personally affronted when my friends change their names after they get married. I'm really not as of MRs kind of. And yet I have chosen to cool MRs Gasco which is what she put on her books when she was publishing and it does just fit. She had this intense domestic life. She had much more than that as well. But a large part of the things that she thought about whether these domestic issues, she had four daughters whose lives she was incredibly involved in. She had a husband who was someone called him a workaholic today. I would call him over Cleese. He really didn't light leaving. He wouldn't travel. She loves to travel and he wouldn't travel. He hated for and food is kind of thing. And she was completely tethered to this house in Manchester in this husband. She traveled a lot, but that was where she came back to all the time and her letters are absolutely phone of domestic detail. So for all that she is an extraordinarily political writer and for all that she has made some incredible choices in her life and done some really extreme things that buck the trends of Victorian wife would do. I come back to this MRs with her off. Awkwardly, but resided -ly this point. I think one of the Cranford and the the Mary Barton's familiar waves. Y'all say row, biography of Charlotte runs. She did. And that was sort of one of my starting points for writing this book. It was during the period before my first book came out, which was bleak house. And that was again a sort of memoir and I was having as all Debbie writers do intense anxiety about how it was going to be received. And I was worrying that people wouldn't understand that project people who had written about get angry and that were very, very long meetings with lawyers and that kind of thing that were fascinating and absolutely terrifying. And at the same time as having all of these, I was reading about MRs gas goals, life of Charlotte, Bronte and everything that happened after that was published, which just gloss it. Those people threatened to sue her. Everyone who's mentioned it seemed to have some kind of objection to the way they were portrayed. She felt she couldn't get it right. Her lawyer. She was away traveling in very well. This was happening in her absence lawyer issued retractions in her name, and she was written about in very unkind term. By various newspapers. She was getting abusive letters from people in America who she'd never met to claiming that they had been portrayed in the book. It was really, really a nightmare of the kind that watches. I think fear. And so I was reading this and having my own phase about exactly this kind of reception which is in some ways, unique to nonfiction. I think the problem of how do you write about real life and how these tell the truth, if you're writing and she was coming up against this issue of Haroon subjectivity and inherent ability to see what could possibly have happened for different angles. And so I began the book from that point of just exploring my own phys through this horrible experience that she had. And that was very cathartic for me and useful for me because she is indomitable and continued to write and got over it. But she did findings toward narrowly to America at the time. And as you said, she, she does with it by basically sauntered off to rose. Herself go off to perfume months. And when she gets there, there is this as there often was sort of like community of ex Pat artists that are sort of living and spending time together and working together, tell us of some of the people who were there. This group absolutely fascinates me is quite a unique group of people for this period. In time. It was a combination of partition American artists that were other nationalities, but those with predominant groups and they mingled there was an extraordinary female sculptor cooled, Harriet hosmer, who is this very, very strong willed women he'd tackled from America. She made these extrordinary enormous, classical sculptures. She wrote a horse like a man through the streets of very scandalise everyone and she wore men's clothes and slept with women and just had this extraordinarily powerful quit existence in Rome that she couldn't really have had anywhere. Else. There was another to William what more story who goes quotes up in the book who's this American hosted sensually who's just friends with ups, really everyone in threes student parties, and they have a theater in that rooms and put on plays, and they will play the parts in the plays they've written. And it is this kind of extraordinary culture of autistic exchange that they have and they talk about it as though it's a, they know that it's charmed existence. They call it a fairyland this place that they can go and be real artists and not people that in the ways they are at home by their home lives. And that's what was his guests. Go walks into this writer who at home is completely plagued by domestic concerns. And she arrived with all of these things. I t's about her book and just steps into this world where people are treating her like an author, and she gets to live that life at three months. And she calls it a to the tip top point of her life also into this Miller comes ago American Charles Eliot Norton. So who was he. So his younger American critic essentially he's from Boston. He was friends with all sorts of intellectual stains, literally associated with transcendental STS in Boston, and he is described, I think by Henry James, I may have that wrong as having a genius for friendship. And that is who he is. He's extraordinarily charming smart young man who just has this amazing bond with MRs Gaskell from almost a minute they meet, they just clicked together and they feel that they have something in common. And that's kind of the starting point for strand of the book is exploring that relationship and the extent to which we can cool the love story. She's older than him. She's married. They live in different countries after the very, he goes to America. She goes back to Manchester and kind of feeling out the sense of that being actually quite a beautiful love story in its own way conducted over letters and very mutedly because propriety dictates the right wheel of letters. In that situation and maybe they wouldn't have wanted to. I put it in the book that they would have in so on some level, but they have this charmed few months environment. He brings her flowers every morning and shows her all the sites. And this really is kind of defining moment of joy in her life. She talks about it for the rest of her life with such intense nostalgia, and it's no style j. for very and for the group of people who were there. But it's particularly nostalgia for this time spent with Charlie Naughton experience change hers writer in the years to come. I think one of the things that happens to MRs Gaskell in very miss that she gets really good at telling stories. She's always kind of go storyteller. And that's favorite thing to do. And that's what she did in room. And for me, it seems to me to be a point when she really became herself as a writer. She already had success before she came, but the subsequent work, she start one. She's getting really interested in America and she wants to. She wants to go to America and subsequently vice six students. Could Lois the witch which is about a young English girl. He goes to America to Salem during the witch trials, and you can kind of feel other ways in which northern is in her work. I make some of those connections in the book which perhaps again, because this is this sort of intensely subjective exercise perhaps only I will see those and that's the door of it from me. But it's a moment when she becomes a professional to herself and she was intensely professional. She by the end of her life had saved enough money on her from her book says she could buy a house without her husband's knowledge, which was an extraordinary thing to do. She had kind of been yearning to leave Manchester for while he was absolutely tethered to it and his the cost street chapel, which is where he preached and she, this enormous house could loon and she was going to spring it on him as a surprise and it was going to be where unmarried daughters could live and where she could work from then on. And she actually died in the house before she could move in. But this was this. This was how incredibly professionally success. She was by the NFL life that she could do something like that. A little items. I'm not any stem took its Nell Stevens, and we took it about her book MRs Gaskell me two women to stories, two centuries apart. And now you mentioned Jenny glows, biography of of Mrs. Gasco now she doesn't think her Norton where it love as they had a relationship that was more like that of a props, our son. And I want to the other part of this book is your own love story, and I want to extend your conception of relationship was colored by what you got into it with the time. Absolutely. That's the exercise for me is to push this idea that people say there should be a biography for every age that things we see in historical figures lives change depending on the concerns of culture. And this book is perhaps a provocation to say, this should be a biography for every person and further to that that needs to be a biography for every minute of every presence life because what you see changes instantly depending on what you're experiencing yourself. So of course, I was seeing parallels absolutely. Everywhere between my life and hut is because of what I was going through, which was this long distance relationship with this literary American in Boston, and to find gas correspondence with him as I was writing. Similar correspondents across the Atlantic was an invitation to see something there and to identify with that. And I didn't fight with incredibly strongly, but because there is any material that we have, we can never know. And that was one of the things that I really enjoyed working on in this book with this idea of certain elements of life being completely off the page, things like desire. You cannot see them in a letter. You can see the language of desire if it's there, but you can't put a word and see what's behind it. And that was joyful to think about really to say, okay, but what if it was this? And that's run with that? And let's see how my life changes, how I see hers and also how her life changes, how I live mine, which it does by the end of the book to tell us about max, that was very American. But before we came to MRs castle in the first place, I think slowly is the answer I remember reading. I think it must've been married Botin as a teenager. I had this phase of devouring Victorian novels when I was about sixteen seventeen. It was lumped in with a few others. At that time, I really into holiday as well and various other nineteenth century writers, and they were completely joyful experiences for me. And then I went to university and got really distracted by theory for awhile, and it took me a little while to come back to this idea. Actually, what I loved most of all was nineteenth century that and I was okay to focus on that. I had this idea that if I could just write about Marx would be far more important and relevant somehow and actually kind of realized that where my interest really was was Victoria novels and they could be important. So I did a master's in Victorian literature at Birkbeck, which was extraordinarily just an incredible experience. I was working at the time and I would go to the in the evenings to these seminars that just felt like heaven after being in an office, and I had been away from Kadena for a while. So it was a really joyful introduction to reading, and as part of that course. I took module code death in the nineteenth century or something like that, and on that course was was Mary boughten again. So I read that. And then I, I kind of felt the connection to in some level and read more read Lois the witch which is very eminent about sandwich trials, those of death in that. And then I started reading letters and it was like meeting a friend. It really felt extremely personal and intimate letters are extrordinary. And once I found those that was it really that was a really strong bond I felt and laid the for while until I go around to doing my page d, I always needed that she would be my starting point for that. You have fun in the book, the sort of obsessive nurse. And I guess specifically of page the subject matter. I was very grout DVD student. I wasn't really sure I wanted to be there. I just don't my MFA at BU. I had this kind of vague sense if I could really organize my life really well, I could do my PHD writer book come out the PHD ready to take an condemning door, which was this incredibly sort of formulaic and increasing the unachievable for people in the job market and -demia this transition. But there I was doing my PHD not really wanting to do academe eight writing and because of the courtroom in Cadena, particularly in the UK whether really on enough jobs, there's no money in it. Pitchy students are living on almost thing. I was surrounded by people. He absolutely focused on their work because they sacrificed so much to be there. And they were absolutely focused on getting a job, and I felt completely humbled by being near them and also utterly unlike them because I was so unfocused and. I didn't really know why was doing this fake plan, but it didn't quite fit with who I felt myself to be that point. And so I always felt a bit of an odd one hour in the room, and I do have some fun in at, I hope not the expense of my peers that kings, but perhaps at the expense of academic culture because it is hilarious. The kind of mismatch between the sense of urgency and the incredibly nation. Things are being discussed in these seminar rooms is very, very funny to me and the remote you to sort of look out the window and you see someone is on a Boston real life is going on, and then you snap back into the room and there you all are talking about pigs and do the obscure and a new just have this horrible sense that you may be wasting your life. So where does max come into the point? So max actually is in bleak house in under the guise of the novelist friend. He was a friend from my MFA who I was horribly in love with the entire time. I was there and we end up getting together in the period of my life directly after that public by bleak house. So I've got back from the island I've arrived in undone. I'm starting my HD. Matt's is in Paris on the same fellowship that took me to the folk lands. He's in Paris writing, and he kind of gives in in some level to my absolute love him and decides he can reciprocate and that begins this this relationship that spans length of the D. And was mostly conducted at long range. It was. He went back to Boston. I was in London. It was Skype. It was emails and texts and and that was so surreal for me at the time because I was spending my days in silence in in rabbits. Weeding remedy, British library reading letters between Gaskell Norton, and then I would come home and read my own relationship via text with this other person. In Boston. So it was a very read, really experience as over relationship and not surveys. I've been in this exact same. You. And yes, the distance is tough and the time different? Yes, because it's it's an absolute dislocation. You can't much of your experiences and the whole setup of it somehow feels designed to make you feel alone, and you have this incredible disconnect with your life. So a certain point in the book max, I decide within get married and I'm incredibly lonely in London and board do my PHD and having a really, really quiet fairly sad existence. And at the same time I'm thinking, I'm gonna get married. I'm I found the love of my life and I have none of the feelings attach with that because I'm fundamentally lonely at the same time and people who can overcome that very inspiring afraid a spoiler to the region is the I did not one. I'm glad you did that because I mean, I think he's pretty much given away quite early on. Count max. However, I would like you to tell us the story of despite that work, you know your honeymoon, of course. One of the things I did to pass the time as a very reluctant PHD student was enter online competitions. You can go to the contest pages of icy, mainly pick women's magazines reason, and you just put in Email address to all of these various things. And it would was briefly diverting to me as a sort of exercise in fantasy that, you know, maybe just maybe one day a massive, brilliant suitcase, Louis Vuitton suitcases go rive in my house because I want it or maybe I'm gonna get whole wardrobe from warehouse, or you know, all of these things are put up for grabs on these contests pages, and I was sitting in the rich library one day and I see an Email and it says, congratulations. You've won a luxury honeymoon to India, and it did absolutely look like spam, and I had no memory of entering a competition to win a honeymoon. A few days prior to this, having happened Max's broken out with me. So I'm in a state of absolute emotional crisis on that front. But it did turn out to be real and I had entered a contest to win honeymoon to India. And so I went on a honeymoon with my best friend and had a really, really strange time in India surrounded by people who skipping where my husband was because they were expecting the competition winners to be nearly wets, which was a fair idea. And then I turn up with Amanda. My friend. Posing as may devan and confuse everyone. It was this horrible. I mean, wonderful because it was a free holiday and it was great, but horrible experience of all of my questions being externalised because I'm walking around absolutely heartbreaking thinking what is max? Like what has happened? Why isn't he here? And every time we get to a new hotel, someone on the staff says, has your husband? Why isn't your husband here? And all you can think is really good question, but we did every holiday, so certainly not complaining and we have given away the relationship with masters at work out. There are other things that the car in the book which we weren't necessarily give away just to finish off. Just want to talk about what you're gonna do next. So as anyone who's read bigger house will now I desperately do want to write fiction. And this book the second because confirmed that for me and not the ways I have a really interesting time using my knife in my way. Work, but it's also really, really tough, and there are legal ramifications and their moisture ramifications. And I'm aware that I have asked a lot of the people in my life to be into books of memoir and are still of myself as well. So I am writing a novel. That's this wonderful moment in MRs Gaskell letters after she has gone through all of this horrible tool with reaction to the life of Charlotte on tape, and she writes, I'm going to confine myself to lies brackets fiction in future. It is safer, and that's very much where I am to not only because I am slightly tired, I think of writing about myself. But also because I, my true love is novels and I desperately want to write one. I did actually be to ask you so. Just reminded me. I mean, how does that work? What does the person is codemax in this book think about he has been very gracious. I am aware that he at no point asked for his personal life to be covered in any way in this incredibly public forum. And I find these questions genuine, the interesting on sort of intellectual level. Where does my story end? What point does he walk into my life? And I know what point do I actually stop borrowing from his for this book and and where is that line and what my allowed to say and what shouldn't I say? Should I say, whatever I wanted to should, I never have even begun this project and they're really difficult interesting questions that you have to grapple with. If you're going to write something that says, nonfiction on the back, I do think my books on the kind of boundary between nonfiction fiction. If we didn't have to put a labor on, I would prefer not to. But the fact is he is a real person and he has real feelings about this. He. Read the book multiple drafts of the book. And that was I think, quite difficult prices for both of us. He has given it his blessing and has kept very quiet subsequently. Absolutely his right. And I totally understand why. So after talking to now Stevens, we've been talking about her book committees Gaskell mate, which is out now from Piccadilly. Now thank you went to. This was great. This episode of little atoms was produced and presented by me nail. Denny was first broadcast residents, four point, four Latin to supported by eight nine and the puck comes. And the puck comes by find his. And if you like do leaves, you could find old interviews, new journalists more on our website, little dot com. Thanks for listening.
Words On Water #149: Jamie Piziali on EPAs Emphasis on Integrated Planning
"The. Word. SORT. High welcome to words on water, a podcast from the water environment. Federation this is the host Travis loop. Glad for this episode to be joined by a former colleague of mine, from the US, Arnel Environmental Protection Agency Jaime Pizarro. She is now the municipal Ombudsman Jamie. How are you doing I'm Ra. Trauma good good to have a familiar voice in my ear today. Yeah, we'll dig into your position in a moment, but. I! Could you started out talking about what is integrated planning and why it's important to EPA, so as the nation faces population, girl, aging, infrastructure, limited resources and increasingly complex water policy issues. EPA really that we needed new approaches to addressing water act requirements to help communities who are already dressed in cup concerns like by Zulu overflows stormwater or advanced treatment needs. And we realized that focusing each clean water act requirement individually may actually constrain a municipality from addressing its most serious water, all issues I so in two, thousand, twelve UPA, released its integrated planning framework which we. Named Integrated Municipal Storm Water and wastewater, planning, approach framework, but today we'll just call it integrative planning and when EPA talks about it already planning, and we're really referring to the process laid out a new framework, and so our work is aimed at helping. Municipalities optimize their infrastructure investments while considering affordability factors through the appropriate prioritization of their upgrades and improvements. So the framework lays out a voluntary process that really helps identify efficiencies from what are typically suffer at municipal wastewater and stormwater programs to better integrate them and better prioritized capital investments. An integrated planning approach can lead to more sustainable and comprehensive solutions such as green infrastructure they can improve water quality while managing stormwater as a resource and provide multiple benefits that really can help enhance has a new unity all the same time. And then in January twenty nineteen, the Water Infrastructure Improvement Act which real affectionately call we. was signed into law, and this actually amended the Clean Water Act. Acknowledge that integrated planning and green infrastructure are important tools that can provide real flexibility or communities, and actually defined both of these terms in the water. So now by having integrated planning directly in the act, we really provides communities with greater certainty that integrated planning can provide them with a comprehensive half. That I mean it's the polly can voluntarily kate. Jimmy, their clean water act requirements. Thank you for that overview. Some people out there familiar with integrated planning. Some are less familiar with it, so it's great to hear a little bit more about it I'm very curious about your role and I. Know that the Water Infrastructure Improvement Act. Establish your position in the office of the administrator. To help facilitate the use of integrated planning in green infrastructure. So could you talk about what the role is a of the municipal ombudsman? I think it's important to talk a little bit about what exactly? Is I because it's not a term, most people use in our everyday lives sure on. I mean all I didn't. Now. Men provides like an alternate informal way to resolve issues. And actually many organizations both public and private how? Some. In the municipal Muslim established by via is in impartial neutral resources to assisting us apologies in navigating abuse. Programs like broadly so the major will miss bomb. Men will be to coordinate with EPA offices to assist communities with our many resources and connect them with officers who can provide technical assistance on things like integrated finding in green infrastructure. The ombudsmen also being Alpha Ministry later can help ensure the agency policies are implemented consistently by all party gay including all of our regional. So and more specifically, we attach ombudsmen with providing information on things like the availability of federal financial assistance flexibilities available under the Water Act and the opportunity to develop an integrated plan so finally I'm also. Was Setting up a web presence to share information on resources for all the items I just mentioned. In addition to sharing copies of hermits and orders that incorporate ingredient plants, so I wanNA. Point out that the journey. US apology actually has broad meaning here under the Water Act as it covers, groups generally mike steadies, towns, boroughs, counties, parishes, triads, associations and other public buys that have jurisdiction over his vocal of sewage and industrial waste, so those are all the groups that will be the real focus some Muslim. But it's also important to mention that community should continue to utilize their existing vocals, eight and EPA. Program contacts I I'm Serlin happy to talk any community that reaches out, but the municipal ombudsman will be most. Fees that are moving towards integrated planning or other water act strategies that really will benefit from the involvement of multiple offices apostrophe. And so generally the Muslim bucks will help first reviewing all sides of an issue that a municipality my brain to me. And I will speak with the community and stakeholders ball such as any EPA officials and then I might help things like the silty discussions or act as convenor reinstore and evaluate options, share Royalva EPA contacts or gather information on best practices from year programs, or maybe offer an impartial perspective and provide recommendations and finally maybe simple as acting as a sounding board. Ombudsman in my time in state, government and federal government, I and you know I haven't really been around a an ombudsman position. Is this unique within EPA or or was this sat up because it's something used at other agencies or I'm curious about that. Yeah, so the Municipal Ahmanson is unique in it's focused on municipalities and the Clean Water Act, but there are actually if you other on buds, men already out of. The agency has and asked us all and small business on Butts. Men Paulo Hogue and choose tasked with providing support and guidance to the public and small business community on regulatory compliance and enforcement questions related to both as you might imagine as and small business, and there are actually also multiple monthly, and in our of PESCI programs that focus on pesticide registration concerns through imagine are really busy right now and disinfectant. And I also now have the privilege of being part of the coalition of Federal Ombudsman, which is a really cool group that collaborates across at all agencies to share best practices, advice and guidance on professional ombudsmen, standards which I promise is a real thing. I e. There are actually more than one hundred fifty ombudsman across the federal government at least. Sure Steve. Young. I had no idea very interesting. I mentioned that we we worked together when I was EPA. And so I am familiar with your background a little bit. Could you talk about the experience that you bring to this position? That kind of makes you a good fit, so I'm coming to this role from. Arkansas Mater where I was leading are in Green Infrastructure Program, which also have unique distinction of being added to the Clean Water Act through the water structure and proven I just like integrated planning. Raigmore, then fourteen years of experience at EPA, mostly in industrial municipal wastewater permanent here, the National Putin discharge limitation system harmony, Obam or NPS or nifty depending on where you are in the country as many folks, no it. And leading our green infrastructure program. I had the opportunity to really force strong relationships with municipal leaders trae groups, state governments private sector. Nonprofit organizations and other agencies Alwa- on Green Infrastructure and integrative finding approaches for reducing water pollution while achieving community goals, and so really the great thing about coming from Green Infrastructure and integrated planning as that you get to work with so many of her program areas at the agency so I got to work. With groups like our air office on the intersection of air, quality and water policies, so maybe a city could also see air quality improvements when installing green infrastructure to reduce stormwater pollution and get multiple benefits. And how might someone even calculate that? I worked with our officer research and development to spread the word on their new research and help scope future projects and I worked with our brownfields program. Discuss how green infrastructures often funded through some of their grant programs, and I've got to coordinate regularly with our office of enforcement and compliance, insurance and water, infrastructure, resiliency, finance, center, and many many other groups that ETA that work on issues that are directly related to his of how is so I'm really excited that on now. Be Able to these networks to use really communities as EPA's I as Ombudsman. He mentioned a little bit of the history of integrated planning, and how it's kind of been churning and for a while I'm really curious about the scope of municipalities that that have or are pursuing integrated plans. How has how has it taken root if you will? Though it. Being happens to be working on a report to Congress. To by January twenty, twenty one, and so we've developed a first drop list of communities with integrated plans, and we found examples over eighty. That are looking at stormwater wastewater comprehensively and out of those immunities there almost thirty five completed a plan. And twelve of them have already incorporated that plan in a matt or enforcement action. And one of the helpful resources that we utilize to help gather these plans. Westbury very own integrated planning committee, so as certainly WanNa thank you all again for that. And if you happen to be listening to this, and you're thinking I have a plan and I wanNA. Make sure that folks know about it then we sent it to me. We certainly want to be able to provide of many examples of integrative plants as we can. So that other these will have on them to look to. Additionally. Our office water is actually starting to look for municipalities who have completed integrated plan and WANNA work with their states and and US Navy to figure out how best to translate relevant alignments of their plant into a future amphibious hermit that will provide good examples to help states work more seamlessly with communities on integrated planning, because it certainly new for some folks Eeo you mentioned it's new for some folks at what do you think is the level of awareness among municipalities that they can? Request an integrated plan as part of a NIP dese permit or an enforcement order including even existing orders. What what do you think the level of awareness is out there? Yeah we've been thinking a lot about that. Because this is an important part of the outreach that was spelled out in the AH, so you've been on a bit of an integrated finding, informational signs, and calling it and the ups, the of many meetings with intergovernmental associations to help get a word out with groups such as the US conference of mayors. The National League of cities. National Association counties and Negotiations Clean. Water Administrators just the name of you and certainly groups like. and. Last year we also released to memos from our awesome water and office of enforcement compliance assurance respectively both the Acting Water Permits Director Division Director Salvatierra and Mark Pollens our director of our water. Enforcement Division address their regional counterparts across the country to ensure the word was getting out to use of hollies of a indeed how this opportunity to pursue integrative fighting, and we also revamped our integrated bring website to incorporate the new provisions and I like to think also maybe made it a little easier to use. And earlier this year Robin Diong are Integrated Planning Office of water grew will sit a webcast scrape straight scoop on integrated planning the also feature at the city of Richmond Virginia Department of Public Utilities and the State of Kansas Department of Health and environment, and that recording actually now available for anyone who wants to do it on our new. Shall we also use the precious main banner space of our Popular Green Infrastructure website to direct visitors to learn more about integrated planning, really providing the connection there and certainly I'm hoping this conversation with you. Today will also be a great asset to continue to get out on integrated planning broadly. Policies were interested. I think you've touched on this a little bit, but I wanna ask directly so if he fm municipalities is struggling to get support at the state level for integrated plan. What what do you recommend they do? I carry permit enough that municipalities with their St folks early and often to get buy in as they go. I music holiday should ask really on about any concerns from their Steve Agencies, so they can find address them during their planning process a very important step integrated planning. Is Opening and maintaining channels of communication with all relevant community stakeholders, which likely should include the seat. And by inviting state representatives to your pollick outreach meetings, it could be a great idea to get folks on board. We have some technical assistance examples on our website where we work with the city of Burlington Vermont and with Onondaga county new. York I'm public outreach. The could really be helpless in this situation, so there are lot of benefits to developing integrative plan for both the municipality and the state. Some municipalities found that they can get gluten load reduction sooner than anticipated after going through an integrated finding causes should certainly appeal those deep permanent authority. And then after pursuing local and state, avenues might make sense to also reach out to the regional EPA converts if they aren't already a part of the process and bring them onboard, and certainly importers as the municipal on buds. Then I'd also be happy to discuss any concerns. They might have about making sure they're making the right connections and perhaps brainstorm some ideas where things headed. Now we're what are your goals? Where does EPA hope to take integrated planning in in the future? Holistic long-term planning minks water, ambitious so much more effective and affordable for everyone slow. The more integrated watered research management can become the voucher, and we all recognize that there are still challenges and EPA will continue to develop informational resources to help municipalities get started with an agreement planning, but we want more municipalities to experience first hand the benefits of using integrated planning to chief both Nuwara and community goals all at the same time. And, of course, you can't do any of this without our partners, so we need to continue to work closely with Oliver Implementing Partners and beer twenty and twenty happens to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the creation of EPA and we're in the middle of our yearlong anniversary celebration and the focus, thus my poppins, three partnership, and the future of integrate planning is really going to be about communities bringing all the partners to the table effectively synchronize their community plans with the Kabul movement plans and articles to help make more cost effective investments, so is your community investing and more parks. Maybe that's the parks and recreation department, which is separate from the wastewater department. How can these departments work together to reduce combined sewer overflows by building a park that serves recreation outlet for the community, but it also happens to manage stormwater green infrastructure to reduce pollution. This can help save money by making one investment meet multiple needs or say, is your Transportation Department installing new bike lanes? How about working with them install permeable payment by glands that happened also reduce store version, and how about making sure it's synchronized to happen at the same time as that repaving project, the city already had its ion released. See Communities using integrated planning process. Process to help make working across silos with partners second nature, and that's the only way we're going to be able to use our limited resources to tackle what we all know are increasingly complex or policy issues, while also simultaneously building great communities, so certainly going to be a challenge, but integrated planning can be a really exciting opportunity for communities future. Well, this is tremendously informative. I'm glad we got to connect. I'm glad that West can can share some more information about integrated planning. It's definitely something that we support and it's. It's great to have this. To such a priority at EPA and Jamie thank you so much for the time. Yeah, thank you so much for inviting you to talk about this new role. Today I'm really excited to be able to build it out and work more closely with communities and we've. Of course we really appreciate working with West and your committee members on all these important issues us, so thank you. Thank you. SORT. Her
Drawn To It Podcast - Episode 26 with Hollywood Screenwriter Mark Zaslove
"Hey, everybody Brian Finley here from drawn to a podcast. My guest today is Mark Zaslov. He's worked on Winnie the Pooh. Tailspin Duck Tales. He's worked on. Everything is IMDB is three miles long here we go. I was reviewing your bio on your website. I saw that First of all is hilarious. But I I love the fact that you worked on. gummy bears the most under appreciated shows I think. In television animation. I consider the first of the beginning of the new wave of animation. You know after hanna-barbera and there was a certain type and then. While Art Telo particularly on that, you know help, change and all the great artists. I mean when you look at who is on that. On, the crew was like. Oh, they all went off. Features are up, yeah. It's great yeah. It was it was a high quality show for Saturday mornings. You know that that sort of You know because usually it was very limited. Animation shows on or even shows like transformers. Lots of work went into them. There's not a lot of full animation or Not, stretching squashing and that type of thing because. It's just so much work at drives that production budget up but gummy bears. especially the first season really had so much effort. Put into it. Now the story that quality of the animation. The Art. Direction it was, it was beautiful. Yeah like you know, it was Disney trying to get into television, so that was old. They had larger budgets for you know, but like I said they had such good people with such a vision. They were trying really hard. You know to do something different. Yeah, I think they. They bid off in approach. That wasn't sustainable. You know. In their effort to impress. I just feel like it was. It wasn't a 'cause. You can see the production quality drop from season to season. Yeah that that's pretty much every show. Yeah it, it really is. It really is but yeah, so one of my favorite things and something that the place I like to start because as creatives we we've all been there. We've all been sitting in high school coming up to graduation or That time period where you're getting pressured to make a decision about what you're GONNA do with the rest of your life as creatives, we tend to think very differently than your standard nine to five for your trade or whatever I was wondering. If you could Kinda, give us a bit of a walk through of that time in your life. Now I'm. I I'm an anomaly in a Lotta ways although I'm sure there are people with similar stories while excellent. But that wasn't me. Now granted I from a creative houseful. My father was a fine artist and an animation animator director producer, and he was head of drawing it Otis, he was well known around the you know on the world for his painting and he did things like. Trying, to ban Christmas festival, he animated on you know he was. He worked at UPA. That's where he got his first directing gigs, so our family and what am I? Sister is a singer classical opera We were very creative family so. We didn't think much about it. I was doing a little writing starting in tenth grade fiction. More serious than anything else, but I go into college was like you can't take writing and it's I. Don't know if I want to do it. So I was theoretical. Astrophysics applied math while I was at Berkeley. But while I was doing that I was writing my first novel, and then in the summers, I was writing live action screenplays with a buddy of mine. So. That's when I was doing so my pressure came after college where it's like right decided. To actually follow writing 'cause. Science there were some things that had occurred with Nobel Prize winners and stuff that I don't want to get into. But My I. You know you're a smart aspirin. You're that age. Dad I'd I'd rather be God. The father will follow in her footsteps. And he just went really. I sent you to college for to become a writer. But the pressure came afterwards, so it similar, which is like? Why don't you get a real job? You know the whole. This writing is so cute. You know, take the fact. But I was fortunate except for. A couple of weeks, a legal secretary and a little while as and trainer at a gym I've been a professional writer. All my life are nothing but that. Awesome and did you grow up around the Los? Angeles area. Yep My grandfather was actually in the movie business and my dad obviously and my son. Wants to do something like that. Although maybe video games, it may be you know television be whatever, but yes, he's an artist like my dad. Now, do you? Do you think that help to? Being so close to the source. If. You'd lived in Maine. Do you think you would have that same career path? A While there's one advantage to being second generation something. Like Steph Curry, being seven second-generation NBA and me being second-generation third-generation Hollywood, but I didn't know my grandfather. Is. animators and artists were drunk. Guys on my living room floor rolling around right. So sounds about right. Yes, so I had no fear so when I want needed to make some money I had been doing some magazine work as I said I was trying to do live action. There was some options, but it was like I need some extra money. I'll just do animation. I? I had no fear I walked right in and went. So what do you want me to write? and. I didn't really use my dad's name. Other than people knew my dad. It wasn't like he introduced me. I mean what he did is he went maybe talk to Jeff Siegel at Hanna Barbera 'cause my dad was doing the smurfs or something there. And that was it wasn't like and so I just walked in and went. Hey, I'm a great writer. and. They went show something, and I showed him a live action script. They okay using premises and. If. They're good. That's how it all started. The lack of fear is one. and. Yes, being in Hollywood, being in the La area helps because you can get to meetings easy but I I believe. I hope the world's changing, because it's prior to this last five ten years. It's gone global, so I've been doing. Teleconferencing with people in India and China and England, and wherever all the time, even before the pandemic, I'm hoping the ten. Gimmick keeps it that way. I believe it'll help newcomers to the business. Because to yeah, but people take meetings with you. You know it's like if they gotta get up and you know, have you come into the office and they got? They're going to do a lot less meetings where it's like. Hey, fifteen minutes say hi, someone. Anybody can do that, so fingers crossed. so I'm hoping in that case means not a detriment, but. If you're just trying to get around. Meet people it's it's it can be a problem. Yeah I got the sense the couple of times that I went to La during my three and half years at at Disney sometimes they'd have to fly us from ABC downtown La for Story Board meetings and type thing and I just got this. The surge of I'm just I'm I'm in the source. You know. It just felt it felt good. Being in La. ended up being problematic to try to relocate there. I got a big family, so got four kids and Orient Life so. Yeah so trying to be Canadian. And moving down to the US. It just I had to give up on it, but yeah there. There is a real energy in the air around. Los Angeles in terms of that that. Hollywood thing. So yeah, that's fantastic I mean. A lot of creative say they're SORTA gone out on their own. There's a great majority that are going against the grain of whether a family traditionally did my family. They were all sheet metal workers you know. So going into animation was very much You're doing what now. You know. So right Having having already within your family tapestry. You're just a new a new thread Bien added. you know is I would think would be a big plus. Again. It's it's. You're not afraid of it and you're used to it like. Scott Fitzgerald. said the richer different, or whatever was exactly in pretty sure it was that, but I think when I. When you're rich, you're used to money. And, you're used to the things that does, and you don't give it a second thought because you kind of have seen it. And for anything you know if your. You know your parents are doctors. You probably know a lot more about it just. That you've got by Moses and so if you were to go in that direction, it's like you already know you're afraid Oh. Med School, so what you know type of thing, so it's it's more of fear and comforting. I think it comes from everywhere like it's surprising how many artists and writers and stuff I've met who? Even though they're first generation, there was at least one or two people in their family. That taught that way. Maybe they'd done a art on their own, but nothing professional or someone's mom was very much, wanted to be a writer and you know it's. They you can be a mushroom. Come out of nowhere, but but. When, you really look closer someone else in the family. Also that that fed that that thing sometimes sometimes there's just rebellion, and that's cool, too. Yeah I think what you're saying is very true because as you're as you're. Saying the some reminded of my father, telling me. Now. He's like your classic blue-collar Sheet Metal, Guy Okay. Very hard to impress type of thing, but when I first got hired by Disney, I asked him what what was your dream? You know because we were having a disagreement. And he said I always wanted to be in western movies. And, I was like what so so what you're saying is true. Usually people have that that creative dry for dream, but they suppress it to. Go the traditional route or the safer journey. Yeah. Cool and your first script that you bropher animation that stamped approved and what was that a feeling of success for you or Was, animation, were you looking at animation has like that? That's the lesser. Are. Not Lesser. I just never saw myself. Having the creative with? Never saw it having that. The change to their occurred in my view, and and it wasn't as against it, I just. I it was it was battle of the go bots. Name the go. BOTS is out. Yeah, the first thing I did yeah, and and again that was hanna-barbera that was that. Was Jacksonville and Kelli Ward? Power to them for for hiring me. But I. It was Nice Second Year Disney. Maybe or maybe I was I had come in for gummy bears identity freelance, and they brought me on staff. Jamais gone to bat. And then? There was a break. And we were doing the mini series that kicked up duck tales. A five part miniseries, so I've done a little bit of work I've done a couple years working animation and and gummy bears was a bit of an eye-opener, just from a creative standpoint, because I was in house and got the feel of all that you know everybody working together thing Yup, but but we restocking him. Rest his soul and Jim were doing. We all sat around and pick it up. The outlines then there were they took the first episode I took second took the third. I, think the four, and then we all did the fifth episode together. Well. I'm doing the second episode. and. There was Well Art Patella was really into me as Ocoee, but there was a a Japanese artists used to go back to visit his family, and he'd bring me Asaki films in Japanese and he'd come in, so it was Putin brought in. And it was like just come on in Japan VHS, whatever and Sarah sitting around watching it I never seen anything like it before I said our Patillo new before that, and some of that went into the dummies among so many other things, but we're looking around and I pretty much through my first draft of the episode of of the miniseries right and I watched that I went. Oh, my God! You can do that and I threw my entire draft out when I got to do better. Yeah, and it was suddenly I went Oh. Oh. I can't do feel negative. You know, and suddenly it became. Can we do this? And that Tailspin came up? Certainly a lot influenced spy you know that kind of stuff so bad? That kinda changed me? Yeah, oh, tailspin was so fantastic for. The whimsical nature of of parts of it like the the the boy with the sky board and stuff like that I made things that just captivated. Children's imaginations it was. It was just such a fun show. I can see that influence in their definitely and I'd like to see me. As ocoee ripped us off to. Because I remember, I can't draw but I. That's awesome you're you're admitting to to ripping him off and then no, no wait a minute. You ripped us off. I would like to say I have no proof, but but let's be honest here. Because we rip him off so much. Influence right, I remember. I drew because I can't draw, but I can I can stick the I can story board with stick figures. I can do that. I can't actually. Remember, the drying and going what if we put CAKE SUZANNE CITY IN A. You fly through cliff, so it's like a horseshoe I remember driving the horseshoe of what it would look like from above and the city and she got dry up now if you look at Porco Rosso, which came after Tailspin. That little thing I you know I'm not I'm not pointing my finger at but. You're not saying you're. You're just saying yeah, but boy. Wouldn't that be cool? My Day going Oh. Yeah, I did, but he watched everything so even if he he watched probably already had that in mind. I, mean they they? What's the saying there? There's no original ideas innovations on them. Yeah Yeah. Yes your unless your friends Kafka. And, everything it was a completely original yeah. So, you're writing for animation stuff and the whole time you're. Are you yearning for crack at live action to move into the director seat are you yearning to create your own films or were for other people and help them make? There's better a how how do you evolve from writing for animation to live action? Why was doing live action I? All I see okay, and and but you get into option. Hell where you know, we're starting off someone options. It's not like you're getting. You know millions of box. Yeah, when when they're especially. When you know, you're just scrounging, so I was doing back and forth. We even did saliva action at Disney. You know while I was there. I was doing short story work you know of. Literary short-story work at the time I. Never did get back to after my first novel I never got back to that until recently where I finally I really WanNa. Write novels. That's what I was supposed to do. Movies opposed to pay for that, but so it was really I was doing all of it simultaneously, there was no. It wasn't this or that it everything I did aside from writing like. I got the show run. You know at Disney and I got the voice Iraq and in live action you know. I got to direct things and stuff on Disney, but later, and it was all in self defense. You know because you start seeing people screw your work up and you go well ambitious going to screw it up it's GonNa be me, so you learn to produce. He learned the to rack. Edit. In self defense, so it was never I. Mean I still go back and forth between everything the only thing to do is. Get back to serious novel writing. Which is what I'm doing right now along with everything else. Now the awful that you just written. That's up on your website. Is that a new release? Brand new two years ago June okay. So I'm working I was supposed to have equal that, but then spell it. My serious novel that I was supposed to write thirty years ago and so now stuck doing that, but yeah, it's A. It's a beach book. It's some you take on vacation I wrote it specifically to get back into the pros and have fun right now. It's like Elmore Leonard Carl hiaasen Janati Bonnici I. It's just it's one of those fun sort of action comedy. You know Kinda thinks it's easy. Now. When when I was reading the description. Am I getting that right? And because I'm I'm a bit of a Moron so I'm reading it. It's like like Jack Ryan, but for IRS. Were Jack reacher. I mean reacher. Yeah, I hadn't. I hadn't read Jack reacher till later after I wrote it, it's. It's just when you write those kind of books. It's always. A policeman ex-policeman, an ex detective in the you know an X., whatever and it's always the same sort of character because you need a certain type of character, right? He needs to be able to shoot a gun all that. What would I fell upon? I I had a had someone I knew who was on person and and they had mentioned that. Sometimes they go out and collect. You're like you're like the government's repo man and I went well. That's interesting. I didn't know about it, and then they also told me about someone they knew and the irs who was doing regular. You know tax returns and stumbled upon something. Anything got killed because it ended up being like a mob. Thing and because they figured and I went well. That's an interesting thing at rather than cops and stuff. What's interesting is you can write about anything. Like, you can write about rock-n-rollers, 'cause they don't pay taxes. You write about vigilantes. You can read about religious. It became this really fertile ground. Probably not where you want to go with this thing, but that's how it all came about. Irs seems like the job that nobody wants. You! Know like I never heard a little kid auto I want to be in the IRS. Trying to change that, yeah! Do you have plans to to bring it to a screenplay, stage or something like that. Yeah I got. My rap is being idiotic. Oh okay so that's about my rap, not about me. Like nowadays it's television so great for taking books to series of books because you can actually stretch your legs out rather than a movie and I thought Oh. This should be a Gimme. Should be so much fun and easy, but yeah wouldn't be a bad thing. A very cool, so what you're working at Disney well, bless your your sweetheart job there like that one project. He worked on that. Just had you all fired up and then opposite to that. What was the one that that you just hated coming into work to work on? I never hated anything I've done in writing I painted situation. Sometimes 'cause they were uncomfortable. You know, but but but it's never. The project because I don't I don't judge. Like, everybody's like Oh I. Love that show I want to work on, and it's like I don't care now. I have to be careful because I'll tell people that who are trying to hire me. It's like I don't care. What I do care about is the writing and the final pry product, so everything's like Lawrence of Arabia to me now in hindsight I had a lot of fun at Disney and. Completely blessed to have been working there, I mean it was. How lucky can you be? They pay you to do this and they pay. You learn how to be a producer and they pay you to learn how to I mean it's like. My Gosh that's great. I'd have to say in hindsight because of everything. That was that Winnie the. Pooh is probably it. The show writer show runner with Carl Years and he taught me so much. He was producer director hours a producer story editor I mean started off at sort of story editor Creator developer for television. and he taught me so much. We had so much fun. We had such cast because we had some of the original people. and And it was just it was. It was wonderful. On that and when I look back, it was maybe the best writing I. Did it Disney because no-one. no-one knew what we were doing. Doug Duck. Tales was just taking off, so everybody was focused on that and no one bothered us for the first season and a half. So probably that one, but there was no, there was nothing awful I laughed because there is nothing more for me to do. Their Bright SORTA got to the point where you needed something fresh and and challenging, because you just sort of ran the. Distance of that path. Yeah and I did what I always do from a business standpoint, which is rather than make enemies. I just price myself out. And they understand that that was nice. Thing is business people in Gary Chrysler. There's like I just. Ask for too much and they were like well. That's too much. Yeah, I figured it was too, and they're like all right. No hard feelings. And it was like that was always. That was nice, I never. Hear. People complain about things that they worked on Emma's Ken like. Hey they're paying us. I have no other skills. This is kind of good. Sometimes that backfires I, just recently finished a job where I didn't want to come out and say I. Don't WanNa, do it. While you're freelance GIG. So I. I just priced myself really high on it hoping they would pass me over, and they didn't. They took my quote, so I ended up having to do it, and it was fun doing it, but there's an initial barrier. GotTa start this thing? And then once you get into it and the momentum is going. Then you know starts to become fun and everything, but Yeah, sometimes it backfires every once in a while. Somebody calls your bluff. But that's that's. That's a miscalculation as it's never a bluff, you have to find a price that makes it worthwhile like. If it's ten thousand bucks for something you say I'd like one hundred thousand dollars like and they give it to you then you're like oh man. I have to work for X. amount of time after I get done okay. But if you price it at fifteen thousand, then you gotta bleed a little. You know to Dr. Yeah exactly. When you got to the point where you won your first emmy. How did that change your career? Well. It almost ended it. Oh No! Actually but I off when when they? They were unsure if I was the right person for Winnie the Pooh. Carl for me, I don't know why and Jim Megan. Who brought me a long fought for me, said Mark. B Greg and they were like looking at me like I'm young I'm in my. Mid Twenties I'm wearing you know far before the Matrix. I'm wearing long leather codes to work and send. They're going. Mark seems a little darker Winnie. The Pooh right. Yeah, and they're like no, no no trust US Markle, be good, and so they said you have three days. It was a three day weekend to develop the show, and then come pitch it and it was at the commissary, the upstairs for the for the executives. I remember going there. And a fifty page little booklet I did I still have the Bible. was fifty pages at least on that size was little. Thank and I pitched the whole thing, but before I began I, said I will bet you a year's salary, and this was the head of TV I was pitching to, and probably a VP of animation was there can't remember car. was there as well? I said I'll bet you years. Will be number one in our time slot, it will win the Ami and a win the Humanitas prize in the same year I said I will bet you a year's salary and they didn't take me up on it. I was. I was not so surprised because Winnie the Pooh, is that sort of thing where I looked at? If we don't screw this up, it's going to be graded I. Mean it was it was something you knew? WAS GONNA be. As you know that good if you didn't mess it up. So and of course Carl. You know had the same vision. He had such a wonderful vision of how to do it. You know so I mean I was just writing, but you know really in the end of it, but so. He didn't change anything, but I almost got fired because of it. Man Winnie the Pooh doesn't necessarily scream. Series out of the property at a first glance because in the movie, everything's kind of wrapped up Nice You almost think well. What are these? What are these characters GonNa do that? They didn't do in the movie, but the the show really worked while. Thanks I it was. It was a good. Exercise. because. A lot of people when they try to translate something from one medium to the other. And, especially, when it's like you said something that doesn't seem like it's going to be an extended form like a book to a movie can be very difficult, but at least you a limited thing you know you're beginning middle and end, but when you take some short stories and go well. How do we come up with new ones? It was. How do you write like mill? Not. How do you just copy? What would he do if he were writing this? That's how I approached it, so you have a giant. Another person's creative spark. Yeah, because so it's not just the same lines you right against. It's what what would he have done everything I mean. You know I wasn't thinking about that every day. 'cause you get into the rhythm of it, but that's where it comes from what really makes the Pooh stories? Pooh stories not just the lines or the words. Yeah for sure. So your first Emmy! Almost end your career you. Don't WanNA. Talk about it because I've tried to let us settle down. I literally I literally came downstairs the next morning in new. York ran into Michael Eisner of Jamaica on him, said Hey come meet Michael and then it was like stuff happened wasn't my fault. I. I really thought I. WAS GONNA fly back and they were going to fire me because there was stuff going on that I didn't know about it. Oh, no, and I got stuck in the middle of it. So It wasn't me I didn't do anything right right. So. You can't fully appreciate that award than is what you're saying. I. It took me a lot of years. To actually get my emmys out and put them out right I mean when I first got it I had a broken toilet paper roll, and it was in the bathroom. The first one because the little wing has a spike on it and it hosted by paper really well. You know because I was living in a crappy apartment in Santa, ANA kowtowed time. Yeah, so I I don't know. I was always a little embarrassed I. Mean I wanted to win, you know. Oscars and right now. Toilets. And stuff I still want to do. And so it was Kinda like I had an ambivalent towards the end lately, though with my kid, and all that kind of stuff, not that he cares cares, but I sort of came to terms when it went. This is this is pretty cool. You know I should appreciate it, so, but it didn't take me walk. Yeah I I can actually relate I've never won an emmy, but I did win an award for top fifty CEO within our maritime provinces, and then shortly after winning that my company. Knows Bond? Nosedive trade into the ground so. I've got the award, but it's talked far away every time I. See cringe, you know. That happens also. I can't stand looking back I mean we're looking back right now and I. Generally don't. I don't usually go to conventions to talk about old shows. I did it couple of times to meet people that I haven't seen in years. But I'm not on the circuit or anything now. People want talk about writing on their. By writing until the cows come home, but but I. I'm doing it here because it's cool and if it'll help people in in your asking questions about the process, but all right, so yeah, it's all stuff in the past I've you better stuff now? So yeah, I think a lot of creatives can relate to that looking back you all you see. Is You know what could be better about something you did? And you want to carry that forward to the next thing so I definitely get that. My wife and I are always in a battle between me. Want to throw out my old drawings and her trying to hide them so. You're the same way I watch anything I've done. Oh you and I go I. Don't watch it I haven't seen it since it came out, you know yeah. We criticize ourselves before anybody else gets a chance to, so it's Yeah it's. It's so common so what what's lined up for you? During this pandemic, we're in lockdown. Some people are going on overdrive with their creativity. Some people like myself find themselves in this limbo state where they can't seem to get anything pulled together. How has it affected you? What have you got lined up for yourself route? Knock on Wood I am. Extremely! Fortunate I have a lot of work. I'm doing a little story editing on one animated show. I'm doing some writing on another I'm developing writing a pilot for a Sitcom live action. Someone hired me to do I supposed to do a rewrite on a live action movie, but they haven't gotten in touch. And I'm not bothering them because I'm so busy. You know it's like I get the first draft I. Got Notes, and then we were waiting for something, and then no months have gone by, and then the novel. I'm working on I gotta get back to it when I get some free time, but. It's I'd rather be working now you know. It is a weird time, and it's been very lucky. Step up! Come in so. That's what I'm off. You okay, very cool wide I hope something. Something of your personal projects will soon bubble up to your focus and You'll be able to go at one hundred percent because sounds like you got some very cool stuff happening personally in your creative. Yeah Yeah, there's a couple of things I'm developing. A wonderful writer artists while. He's training as an artist. I think it was a writer. That's mostly what we were and we work on each other's stop. He did bump in the night with his partner. That's why I met him can pontiac and we developing a couple of shows one animated one live action, those two and those are really fun because I'm working with someone who's creative and he's funny, not a pain in the ass, well sometimes but. But. It'd be working. We haven't worked on something like that in a while, so it's just fun to sort of dive back into it. That's been really enjoyable. What? I've cut somebody trying to phone in on. skype honest. Nobody ever calls me on skype ever I call out that's it. That's the first time that's ever happened. Someone you know or is it didn't show me who it was just. So a rations around. Those Russian bots. But. Can you talk Ab-? A little bit about what gets you fired up for story points or a over arc in idea of something some people. They think while they're out jogging some people are you know they dream mother sleeping, and then they create something what what sort of out there in the real world that that you witness or exposed to you'll take and translate into an idea. I come at it slightly differently. My Dad always used to say that if you were professional creative. There's no waiting for the Muse. It means there's a bar. This is how good you are. Let's say you're an artist. You can draw this good and consistently seven days a week three hundred sixty five days a year now. Sarah this little. Info things now you might be a little below on a day. You might be a little above, but there's no I'm waiting. I'm not waiting so every day. I sit down and I work. And I work in this level whatever you know and over the years you try to keep increasing that Barr show up. I'll anything is interesting when it becomes interesting. Case you they'll. Spark my interest and I'll jot it down. You know like and maybe never debt. Vicky keep popping up on my calendar or remember this. Notice like I'll never get it up. But if it ever comes around, but it's really. To me, it's about true. You're always creative. You're telling the truth. So, someone says I want you to write a movie about a lamp. Allama and. A lighthouse. It's like okay I can do that. You know it, but what's truthful about it? Right now, and so it's like. Are Their characters involved? They're they're people. Do these things mean something it are? Are those items actually sent in which case that changes things, and so it's all. It's all fodder for me right? I think it's it's like a math problem. But once you get the pieces, you just having fun putting them all together and getting the pieces. That's the gestalt part of it, and then the other part of it is is the sort of pattern solving part so as long as you bounce back and forth. It's always creative time. Now and I think that's a healthy outlook on it. And I think all creative. Sit there new creative swatch and the sewed I I would encourage you to think along those lines you know. Just soak up everything you're. You're witnessing or you're exposed to. I used to love taking the bus to work. Because the the cartoon characters that would have the boss. Every morning would be selling inspiring to me. But inspiration is out there all over the place. You just have to be awake to it, you know. Yeah J. D. Salinger's used to sit at restaurants and stuff and jot down how people spoke. Yeah, you know and stuff like that, but. And if your stock. A, I believe there's actually a treatise some treaties. There's actually. A document of mine that I wrote it's in the Berkeley Library somewhere, but but I believe that our creative stop not just drawing. Is Objective. It's not subjective, but there are so many variables that it's hard to quantify know. Once you. Decide what the variables are. You can objectively say what's better than something else. So that means also that if your stock I think it was Paul Simon, he said There's no such thing as writer's block. There's just not telling the truth. And and again I think it's if you're stuck at means. Don't you're not waiting for stuff from the outside. That's a passive non that the that's magical thinking. You have to look am I stuck his. It's a structure problem. Is it stuck because? A characters wrong. There's some reason your stock, and if you go back in and take it apart, you know then you go. Oh, it's that I'm stuck as my. I hate this character. And I didn't realize I hated the character because it's one dimensional, it's not working, but at the time he just can't write or I. Can you know and I'm sure? It's similar in music and drawing, but in a slightly different you know. Outfit. So it's always like. No that all all ideas are out there. You can always do something creative. You just have to relax into it and go. Why am I stock? There's a reason. Yeah. And do you get hung up on not being? Probably more so in the early years of your career getting hung up on not being the quality. You think you should be at 'cause I I know a lot of creative swale almost get paralyzed with that that way of thinking. Well I get. Wonderful writer William Goldman who got the Oscar for which caffeine the Sundance Kid, and also all the president's men. He wrote a book adventures in the screen trade, and and one of the things you used to say and I've always believed because I'm fairly quick. Right that first draft as fast as you can get it down and then go back and rewrite. That's where the real work is, but you know you work on the outline, then you. Then you do it and my dad was always about you. Rough your looser when you're up so rough it out and then you go in so. The problem becomes when you perfecting it and rewriting reworking too early. You know I mean if. I mean all the great artist it that way, too they. They did their loose roofs than they'd worked over them. Depending on the you know what the media was. But so it's like, don't get perfect it at in the works, not while you're doing the first drought or the first drawing, or whatever you know I think that's the advice I i. I agree and you gotTa. Let it go sometime and that's really a personal thing, but if you've got it all their users. You've been working at work and it's. Everybody has their own way of getting out of that I. Just I think it's bad when people get stuck in the process perfecting. If you're perfecting, you know if the books done and your editors shooting you over the head. Going just handed over. No, no no I got. Fine. That's a good problem to be an and that's what an editors for. We're now, but so if that helps I, don't know if I. No that that helps, it actually has changed a little bit of how I've been thinking about, too because, even though I've been doing this, I'm twenty years and the past four months now I have been stock in a way. That I've never experienced before now admittedly I, do I do deal with depression and anxiety. Problems but this time it has just felt very different and so I'm not sure if I'm dealing with just overall, burn out, or or what, but I'm I'm desperately trying to get that furnace stoked again and go and again the want for to burn hot, is there? A just haven't found that fuel yet you know. Well It I. Feel for you, we go through. and. It's a weird weird time. you know. The the outside is really affecting people. You know more so than ever before you know if you're anxious or depressed or whatever and and like I said we have to it's it's a lot is going on one thing which doesn't directly address what you're talking about, but I think it ties in for for other people listening to is. It's okay to put it aside. My and again I call my data lot but one. He passed away last October, so he's always a little bit with me. more so these days, but I would have anyway. but he used to say and I and I've always believed it because I've seen it is. Even when you're not working on something like you can get away from painting for a year. There's a party of brain. That's still working. When you come back after you get you know just some of. Muscles stuff back. You will have advanced. Stopping and so people get panic attack him. Not Doing it I'm not doing it so. Let it go! There's your mind that's moving forward. Go figure something out. Give yourself an exercise different from what you're trying to do if you're. You know you're doing storyboards. Go paint. Go do some watercolors. Anyway because I think. The amount of pressure. We put on to do that. One thing that we think we should be doing defeat sometimes when there's a lot of other things you know hitting us. This is a weird time, and it's always difficult to begin with creatively, but still yeah. Yeah, it's such a big relief to hear somebody. As complicated as yourself and your father. Mentioned that that weird phenomenon of of walking away from part of your crafts for an extended period of time, and when you come back to it, you're better than when you laugh and I've always wondered about that. I've I've always what. You. Know how how did this happen? You know so it's A. It's a wonderful thing, but it doesn't feel wonderful during the Yeah Yeah. But then it's you play games. Yeah, you know you do exercise. You do other things you know you're. If you're -sition, you write a book, you know if you're an artist, you play some music. Yeah, now. The the types of stories you like to write about. To you? How far down the? Pathway! Do you go a? Have you ever? Have you ever got worked up emotionally while you're writing something or do you keep it? always sort of. A technical in your approach to telling the story like have there been times when you finish a paragraph, need gotta get up and walk away and just like. That was a rough ride. If you're doing it right. I mean I. Mean there was a thing. Was My favorite Winnie the Pooh episode is called the wishing bear. And at the end. There's this moment where Pooh and Christopher Robin after this whole long thing are looking at this wishing star and and Christopher Robbins last word is the word you be saying towards towards Poo. He says Blah Blah. Blah Blah you. and Karl Deers there and he showed me. If you don't put that you. A frame that exactly on the right frame. You don't cry. When you hit it on that train, you go. Oh, my God and you can't help yourself I chapter in my book. I didn't work came from because I've been I didn't even bother with outline 'cause I know structure really well, and I wanted to just see work. Truth I could come up with. But the fifth chapter is the only really I mean. It's a good for what it is, but this chapter actually has some be to it. And it's not anything about my son, but it's about a son and a stepfather. Thing so there's a parental thing and it had nothing to do with that, and he's my son I'm not a stepfather, but but. I was thinking about him. So that the emotional residents, so it was very what I wrote was very powerful, and it was upset, not upsetting upsetting, but it was like it was coming directly from my fear of for my son. What would by Sunday do if you were in this position? How horrible would it be and so I? That does happen when you're doing it right, I don't plan on ever doing those things, but if you're working on something and you should laugh when a good line I. Oh, yes, riders! I'll raiders had a script in and I'll be like you find this Ryan Funny No why did you put it in that? Yeah, so that counts too. If you laugh at your stuff, and that's an emotional component. As well, so yeah, I don't plan it. You know like I'm not a method actor. Yeah. Well, how? How aware of your minute minute process are you know what I mean by? That is the phenomenon of somebody driving. Someplace doesn't remember driving there, but they arrive near like on here now. You know what I mean I've I've had scenes where I've animated. You know twelve hours straight, and and it's done, but I don't necessarily remember the day you know. because you're you're just you fall into some sort of. Magical overdrive of creativity. Have you had those moments? Yeah, I I I've always written five pages of script and our. That's just what I've always written live action animation. I mean I can do more. But that's generally what it is. And that sort of few state. You that's that's I'm thinking I guess and I'm doing an outlet. I'm coming from an outline so I'm cutting and pasting. Pieces of it in the script, so I can refer to without looking over to the right. But. That's the best place to be. If you're really really doing it the only the only piece of work I can't do that on in fact, the only piece of work that's hard for me is the new serious novel I'm workout. It is so hard. The bar is so high that every word I, do is a struggle. If I get a paragraph done in a morning I'm like Oh. My God I am a page just like a revelation i. that's the only thing I've ever written. That's difficult, but otherwise I love Yeah I love to go into it and just haven't bought to. You're rolling. What? What is it about? The new novel that that makes it so intimidating for for that inertia to begin. Two things one. I was always thought I'd be. Really. novelist. That sounds really good, but. I mean. I was only compare myself that dead people. Twenty, okay. and. Except for Salinger, who was the only one alive at that time, but I went okay. I'll go with you. But and. That's a bit high. And so when I came back to this and had the idea. I went. Oh my God. That's the idea I've been looking for, and it's one of those ideas. If you do right, people will go. Yes, that could be a great novel, not now this all sounds you could just go by and being really serious straight up about this rather. Doing something to suck at it. Right you know. This is this is part Marquez. Part. Joyce part Kirkegaard so right there. The bar is so high and I go. I know I said I was supposed to be able to do this when I was younger. What if I can't what if I'm not good? Okay, I mean this is I'm talking about one hundred years of solitude meets the dubliners meets. All the cure guard, weird theological great was a great thinker, so you know, and so it's like so in the back of my head. I'm going now. I'm not scared. It's weird. It's like whatever it's going to be as it's going to be, but it's also like. What if I just not? What if I'm not that? I just waste my life, so you're. You're competing with the self ideal. Paula Graphic version of yourself, you invented from your youth and your days of highest ambition. And, and that's what you're up against now is something that doesn't exist. You know because you are who you are in the moment of your, life right. in your potential is all what if meaning what if I just sat here and I approached this as openly and honestly as I can So yeah, I know that struggle because my mind's eye as a kid and going through high school and Animation College and all that you know I always fancied myself to one day. Be Up there with the Glenn. Qian's and you know Eric Goldberg snap type of thing. so I- Russell with that as well. You know. It's it's. I think it's good, and it's bad, and I'd totally come to terms of it doesn't work. Yeah, but I'm I'm having a birthday. Today is my birthday. Did and I'm like I'm running out of year I mean. I'm all, but I'm not. That old people I still have. Please still put happy birthday man. That's great, thank you. Does, it does affect me differently than if I were in my twenties. Sure know where you're not. You're not thinking about that, but I'm going. I to get you know I i. don't believe long as I'm functioning I'm going to be writing. But there is a time limit you know, so. It's like I gotta get this time. Because there may maybe other books, so so do you think right now? You're working on this This new novel, and and it's sort of your your baby. You're you're? You've raised the bar in your mind of where you want it to be. Are you fearful that ten years after completing that? You'RE GONNA. Look back and realize I I should have done this so much better this way. I never worry about that because you can't. It is what it is, and I make I. Never regret my choices. Because Because I made them. Yeah, you know it's like and there's some big choices I'm absolutely making it is literary, Yep it is what I used to love about words. There's a rhythm. There's music. The words are as important of what's what's being said people don't write that way much anymore. You know. And, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't and I don't think it's even old fashioned. I just think it's. You know so that that was a choice going. No, no, no, no. I I've loved will end. There are some lyrical writers. But anyway, so it's it's, but that's a choice. I can't go back. Because otherwise I would just be writing for the audience or writing the seller. And that I do that every day, so that's like people were like. Why don't you do a WII novel? Remember my agent. You know after I did this other book. You know what it's like God. They really want those and I. Go I do that every day. Why would I ever WanNa do that? Yeah? No. Your point is absolutely spot on words or SORTA like pixels. You know when they're correctly. They create this beautiful imagery. You know. In and people. When when they missed, use them. They create this black. You know so one thing I've noticed about reading a lot of. Articles and stuff online I can't believe and this is saying something coming for me because I am the King of bad spelling bag granted everything. But I figure if somebody like me at my limited mental capacity can pointed out. And these companies have editors that are supposed to point this stuff out. You know it's it doesn't give me a lot of hope for that. That real beautiful fanciful, a use of the language creating. A wonderful mind's eye imagery. So we'll see, but do know, and this is a fact because my dad again. Artists real artists can't spell. This is a known fact that my father was the worst speller and all his friends except. I think it was Bob, drank. Oh could spell that he made fun of him, but but yeah artists or something about the artistic mind. I mean real artists artists like you. You know we're us this. Go where where they just can't spell. Don't need you. Oh! Yeah, it's so embarrassing. I've got some nails for some of the previous episodes that are up on the Youtube Channel where on thumbnail I've misspelled words, but the only way to fix it is to delete the video and re upload it, and then that's crews up all the analytics. You know so so embarrassing and I album check I. Do you know, but I'm? When are bad. I duNNo. Mike ads got Yuki. He was, he was working with ray, Bradbury. A half hour thing called Big Rune G. R. Double-o. N. As in Nancy right right so the credit sequence is the letters animating out right so he animates is beautiful credit sequence, except it's grew like frightened grew. That was the ultimate bad spelling. Credits on the animated right, oh I feel so much better now. Glad. That's great the other thing I want to touch on is. Your your background in. Astrophysics is it. and. How has that helped your creativity? Pattern solving just stall. It's actually theoretical physics. Theoretical Sciences are very similar because you're just making up, it just has to be applied to real stuff. Really are looking for patterns in the same way I. Approach it the same way. I it's just a way of thinking. You know it helps me I. Think I do both left and right brain. You know everybody talks about that, but I know a lot of just left brain or Jeff Right brained, people and I think it can be a detriment a lot of people. I know who are good, do both. You know so it's. It's just a way of thinking like I'm not a big I. i. read a lot of science fiction I. don't write a lot of science fiction. It's too easy, you know so. People go oh. You must write Los An- Anna but but it's an research, I've always enjoyed research and so whether that science because science or not you know. So you approach. In your creative process, you've got some of the scientific approach happening, and then some of the whims Ercole What if imagination stuff? Well, it's it's you gestalt until you have a lot of. Let's say you're starting with anything and you decide you. WanNa do something about a lamp Allama a lighthouse, so you got that wonderful period where you're just coming up with a zillion ideas that may or may not make sense okay, so that's the gestalt that's where the universe is talking to you and all this stuff is coming to your right. And then you have like a ton of stuff. Okay, and then you go to the other side of your brain pattern solving part you. How do work this? How do they connect and then when you get done pattern solving, you're stuck again and you go to a stall out like Dylan these holes you know in in in my nature of stuff, and now you can stop for one then you pattern solve that you just go back and forth, so you never get stuck because if you're stuck on pattern solving, it means you're done and unique a stall, and if you've got enough ideas, you got us, you know. Put them into some sort of a ray. So I just think it's. My brain allows me to do both in the ping pong back and forth, which makes things go better right? Okay, okay, that's I. found it extremely interesting and you know some of your your writing like your posts on social media, and that hint at this sort of playful I believe in alien abductions, or I don't type like like. There's a whole playfulness nest posts that that. I find really cool and actually finder. Surprising that like you said people are asking me all the time. You don't write science fiction. You know, but you. You kind of hint at it in a lot of your your postings. I I'm not. Against it I just. There are I mean magical realism fantasy. All that stuff is all the same to me. You, know it's just weirdness, so whatever whenever you want to categorize, it's just I'll tend not to judge a lot of people just write science-fiction I guess, and then they occasionally do their one great dramatic piece, whether it's good or bad and I just like I have some science fiction, and certainly there have been series where written. You know science fiction you SORTA. Stop I just don't specialize in yet. That's all, but but there's so many fat I do. Keep up to date little bit on what's going on and. In cosmology, and what's going on in quantum physics? Just because there's we're in a golden age, so it's it's interesting to me. RARELY GETS INTO ANYTHING But you never know. Now I. I love the the job. Search the mosque empire. While he is an alien, so. GOTCHA got. Hey, I'm excited for for the day where I. Tell my kids all the time. You never know ten years from now, your best friend could be an alien, and you might be having play dates on the planet nope. Nope, piano, or something you know know. So I'll manda. It'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. Yeah This has been so so fantastic. Your a career has been very rich and full of a lot of fun projects. I was wondering if you could pass on a bit of wisdom from what you have learned to those newcomers who are just graduating their creative college or just starting note. If if you could offer them. A little pep talk. What would be the one thing you'd say to them? It's a disciplined. Like sit down every day and do a little bit of whatever it is. You know I I mean I apply this to writing just because I. Merely a writer, but a lot of people like well. How do I write a script? When? You sit down every day. Everybody's got fifteen minutes at the very least. You got a half hour. That's perfect and every day you do a little work, and if nothing comes of it the discipline of doing it, we'll. We'll keep you going. I think more than anything. It's not trying to do everything at once, and the same applies when you're looking for jobs in the industry or whatever it is. Little bit every day. All a bit every day, and if you do that, that's probably the biggest thing I would've pulled myself I to learn it. You know, but it's A. don't try to eat it. All in one by G can't do it. Yeah. That's great. That's I actually teach Three D. animation and I tell my students that same approach take take this big overwhelming mountain, and just look at the the one step in Fredonia. Don't look at the top. Just look at that that next grip where you're GONNA go next and keep keep it small and manageable. That's the problem with with being a student and being just coming into things. Your ideas are so huge that Y- when. If your if your project is like a student, Film and Third Year Student Film. I mean my goodness. A great many students wanted to do you know the next Matrix installment? You know instead of keeping it small and tight manageable. Quality over quantity type thing. I totally agree and one other quick thing about it. Is the after member. It's a business as well. and. All that creativity, if you can apply it to the business side if that's writing really funny emails or letters of introduction if that means doing a thirty second. sizzle reel about yourself. That's funny. You know not just your project, but it's like introducing yourself you right now. We have so. It's so cheap to do video. The Bacilli days we gotta get the camera in. Someone's got a hold it and You can do so many creative things from the business side and believe me. People were remember it. You know if you send introduction. It's a funny little thing. They're going to go I. Don't know who that guy is earning. Woman is, but but I wanna meet them, and maybe we don't have something, but but apply your creativity to the business. Part is while. Don't be obnoxious, but what? There's so many everybody gets real nervous about the business side, and it's like no, no, no, you. You have the advantage of being creative. You can bring them something that they like and they don't even know they. They WanNa like it anyway. That's the other thing. Cool I love it. We are good to there. I think that's a great spot ended on actually and I just wanted to say. Thank you so much. I've been looking forward to this and that hasn't disappointed, so thank you. Any little bit works I I. It's all I hope so anyway. What you to. Eric Alright. Thanks mark. Back by. Well there you go another great episode of Toronto a podcast. Check out our website at DTI. PODCASTS DOT COM and from there you can visit all over social media links. Don't forget to subscribe and share. We'll see you time bye.
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Roundup: Pesticides and Health. Carey Gillam
"I've got a new word today. Richard, you non-scientists do glyphosate. It's probably better known, and you may have actually used it in your garden under its brand name roundup. I certainly have roundup is the world's most widely sold urbicide used by farmers and home gardeners since one thousand nine hundred seventy four and the question we're going to consider in this episode. Jim is is round up a blessing occurs or something in between questions about roundup carry Gillam? We have now a pesticide dependent food production system that's been engineered by just a very handful of corporations that make billions of dollars off of these pesticides. They're I mean, they're clearly as an international debate over this right now, it's very hot league contested debate. Who science do you believe the problem is in my mind that Monsanto and the others in the chemical industry continued to try to say there is no debate. Our show is about fixes. Yeah. How to make the world a better place? How do we fix it fix? It eleven thousand two hundred and counting the number of lawsuits filed so far claiming that roundup causes cancer. A major trial is now underway in federal court in San Francisco and more cases likely tens of billions of dollars in sales and profits at stake for round up manufacturer Monsanto and its European parent company buyer H E in this case, a seventy year old California man alleges that he developed non Hodgkin lymphoma because he used roundup on his property your many year. Many year trial is hearing range of opinions. We're not going to be able to resolve this in today's show. But we do want to investigate some of the issues in the background of this and some of these other cases. Yeah. Absolutely. And whether science is getting a fair hearing in investigating the health impacts of roundup and other pesticides. Our guest is former Reuters correspondent and investigative journalists and today advocate carry Gillam. She's the author of whitewash the story of a weedkiller cancer and the corruption of science the book won the Rachel Carson book award from the society for environmental journalists and carry joins us via Skype from overland park. Kansas. Welcome to how do we fix it? Hi, thanks for having me. So tell us a little bit about your background and how you became so interested in food and pesticides. Sure. Well, I've been a journalist for thirty years actually over thirty years, and I really came. To this beat because it was assigned to me. I was a banking reporter living in Atlanta. And Reuters asked me to move to Kansas and start writing about food and farming and agriculture Monsanto just introduced a in the nineties, of course, genetically engineered seeds GMO's, and they were all the rage. And so it was my job to dig in. And learn about the competitive nature of this in how it was reshaping agricultural practices. Your career has more or less coincided with the rise of GMO's and the chemicals that support GMO crops and certainly round up as the ultimate example about it's been incredibly successful product used all over the world. Why is it so popular glyphosate is the active ingredient in round up as well? As hundreds of other brands weed killers, herbicides Monsanto patented to nineteen seventy four and brought it to the market and even before Monsanto. Produce, genetically engineered crops glide Seder round up was very well embraced herb side, by farmers because it it worked really really well was various fishing and effective, and it was much safer than some of the other herbicides farmers have been using. So you say in your book, however that it's undeniable that we're allowing our food or water our soil, and our very selves to become dangerously doused with chemicals that that's a strong statement. Isn't it? It's a pretty strong statement. But it's a well documented statement, and as a journalist, you know, opinion, I've never really been oriented toward opinion. I'm oriented toward what the what the data what the documents show us. And that is certainly what has happened. We have now a pesticide dependent food production system that's been engineered by just a very handful of corporations that make billions of dollars off of these pesticides and they're doing untold damage to human health into the environment. And Glenn state Monsanto make the case in my book. They're really just sort of the poster child if you will for this problem. It's certainly not the only pesticide that we need to worry about Monsanto. Not the only company that is that is pushing these pervasive levels of pesticides. So in the case of glyphosate. Let's look at why it's become so pervasive. Explain the whole concept of of a crop being roundup ready. Sure. So. No, you have to look at what was going on in the nineteen nineties of Monsanto was making a lot of money off of its roundup products. But it's patent was expiring in the year two thousand and they had this really innovative technology as well that they sort of stumbled across, but that would allow them to take DNA essentially genetic material from another species not a plant species, but they and they could splice that into the DNA of certain crops. They found corn. Soybeans very popular crops in the US. And so essentially they were able to make these crops glyphosate tolerant you could spray. Life to say weed killer right over the top of them, and they wouldn't die weeds would but the crops wouldn't and this farmers just thought this was magical this made their life so much easier. You know, they didn't have to till their fields. They didn't have to very carefully time. The the sprain of these other types of herbicides or even life is safe. They could just break right over the top of their fields. And they love. But it, but what happened? What wants Santo had hoped would happen. They laid it out for investors was that the combination of round ready crops with around of herbicide would become a very dominant force in the cultural market in did in Santa's market share in volume increase of glyphosate products shot up the use of those went from about forty million pounds a year in the United States in the nineties to close to three hundred million pounds a year now in the United States, and you've seen that same sort of rise around the world. So you once had one hundred twenty five million pounds globally. Now, you have two billion pounds a year globally. Tell us a little bit about Monsanto, which as you said introduced the product more than forty years ago and has since been taken over by a large European company by AG, right? Yes. So bear they bought Monsanto in the summer of twenty eight teen last summer. So it's now a a unit of bear. And since then the stock price of buyer has gone down. I think around thirty percent because of all the concerns about life Assait and round up. Yeah. On the day of the first verdict. The first round up lawsuit that went to trial. The jury came back with verdict the two hundred and eighty nine million dollar award for Lee Johnson and against Monsanto. Who was Lee Johnson Lee Johnson is a groundskeeper he worked for the Venetia school district, you know, up in the area near San Francisco, California, and he worked spraying roundup products something called ranger pro as well as roundup sprayed it pretty regularly around all of the different schools in the district and developed non Hodgkin lymphoma. You say the EPA which. Regulates pesticides has approved industry requests for higher and higher allowable levels of glyphosate residues in in in food. Right, right. Yeah. It's different for every crop. They've done it for oats. They've done it for weeks. They've been for corn and soy anything that is expected to contain life estate residues. If it's going to be consumed. It is required to have an EPA tolerance set Ford. So the Environmental Protection Agency, and they don't just do this for life assailants for every pesticides. It's expected to show up in food that we consume UPA will set a level that they say is is something that can be considered safe. And the irony of it all the thing that is concerning is the PA you see the arbitrariness of these levels that were supposed to take as being safe yet. They can change if the company asked the P to change them, and you have another example with. Insecticide called clerk pyro fos, which is marketed by DOW Chemical, and you had levels at the EPA told us all were very safe for years and years and years safe in our food safe in our drinking water until a few years ago when the science caught up or the the EPA caught up to the science and said, you know, what we were wrong. Sorry, there's now no safe level in our drinking water or in our food today. You're the research director for the nonprofit group US, right to know, what is US right to know this right to knows a really little tiny nonprofit group that pretty much does nothing other than seek out freedom of information act documents. So my job is primarily to collect documents from the EPA the FDA the USDA our national institutes of environmental health sciences. Some permission from the CDC in the in the NTP national toxicology program. And my colleague collect documents from academic institutions from different universities. So we're really trying to just get at the meat of the matter if you would to look at how policy is formulated, and what the data shows us about food and chemicals in in America today, and what they might be doing and how that compares to the science tells us about the impacts of these chemicals in our food. So it's almost like a kind of detective work. What's an example of something that you fought really hard to get that was revealing or particularly useful. Well, UPA of had to sue them twice in the last two years to garner about ten thousand documents that that you know, they should not have fought me over, but they did. But one of the most interesting things I didn't have to fight for the FDA just handed over internal emails that showed that one of their chemists had been looking for glyphosate residues in Honey and found all the Honey samples he pulled from store shelves had high levels of glyphosate. This weed killer in them higher than what is considered legal or illegal in the European Union? And what would be considered illegal here in the United States? If we had a legal limit, which we don't. And he reported that to his supervisors in his supervisors basically told him to go away in not worry about it. Did the same thing with oatmeal supervisor's, again told him not to talk about it? And then they reassigned him. So that he would not be allowed to do anymore residue testing whatsoever. So that's what you see coming out of the FDA has there been a fundamental change with the FDA in the EPA since the Obama administration. Well, sure, but with the Trump administration you've seen definitely move away from regulation. I mean, they talk about that. It's not a secret wanting to loosen restrictions on a number of companies chemical pesticide companies among them DOW Chemical, for instance, this insecticide, I talked to you about Clark pyro fos, which that is said is no level is safe in our food or water. And yet if you look at the FDA report, it's the eleventh most prevalent pesticide found in. Our food right now, it was supposed to be banned. The Obama administration had said it should be banned completely from agricultural use. Because it is so dangerous to human health. But the Trump administration came in and sat down and met with DOW Chemical and took some money from DOW Chemical for the inaugural fund for President Trump and the band went away. We've raised the the influence of mummy is scientific research at universities being impacted by by corporate money. Yes. Certainly research programs at universities. Rely pretty heavily on outside funding taxpayer dollars doesn't cut it. And so they are taking corporate money for various different programs, and you do see examples where those corporations are wanting to influence indirect research, and you also see examples where they're bringing professors sort of into their fold than sending money directly to these professors for their research programs in exchange for those professors, helping support policy initiatives, and you know, public messaging that promotes the safety of the company's products. It's it's very alarming when you look at what's going on behind the scenes, let's look into what's going on with all these cases against months anto involving cancer and glide for the the Allegheny. Is that it causes non Hodgkin lymphoma, in some cases, what's the evidence with the scientific evidence that it does. Well, so the international agency for research on cancer. It is an arm of the World Health Organization, and what they do is they bring in top scientists top cancer scientists from around the world to sit together and to look at the body of published peer reviewed research on various substances that were commonly exposed to. So they took a look at life Assayed what they determined to beat the classification of a probable human carcinogen and the epidemiology which are the human experiments showed a connection specifically to non Hodgkin lymphoma. And so all of the litigation is limited to plaintiffs who are being diagnosed with non Hodgkin lymphoma. You know, there are other. There are other scientific studies that show reproductive concerns in, you know, problems with gut bacteria in your immune system at all that sort of thing. But this is Pacific to non Hodgkin lymphoma that said according to the national. Title Cancer Institute. The rate of non Hodgkin lymphoma cases has stayed fairly level since one thousand nine hundred two if the use of roundup was really causing this form of cancer, wouldn't that rate have gone up given that there's so many farmers so many people using roundup. Who would do that? And I'd have to see what you're looking at as well death rates of certainly stayed level. I don't know if new new diagnoses have as well. So we would have to definitely look at that. But that is something that is definitely being argued in court Monsanto is Monsanto's trying to make that point saying, listen, you know, there should be a direct correlation. My book doesn't take the position on whether or not this causes cancer. I don't take a position on whether or not it causes cancer. And there are people smarter in the world who can figure that out. But what I do. Take a position on is truth and transparency in what the documents clearly show dating back till the nineteen eighties early nineteen eighties is is a campaign to deceive certainly, you know, a wide range of factors need to be be taken into account here. But, but but to be fair to the industry, there is a there is a widespread debate, you know, perhaps not all of it funded by Monsanto. They're I mean, they're clearly is an international debate over this right now, it's very hotly contested debate. Who's science do you believe the problem is in my mind that Monsanto and the others in the chemical industry continued to try to say there is no debate. And they continue to try to say that, you know, only their position is right? And only their experts are are valid and only the science that they support Israel, and that there should not be considered analysis of risk versus reward. And that's just not right. That's just not the way policy should be made. It's how do we fix it? I'm Richard Davies, and I'm Jim Meg we'll be talking a little bit about solutions. And then our conversation coming right up. Carey Gillam we're going we're going to look at solutions. And I suppose one solution which which we often refer to in our show is how do. Other countries do it. For instance, how does Europe compare with the US in regulating pesticides. And are there lessons to be learned? Well, what I've seen with Goliath in particular and just from visiting Europe and talking to regulators in farmers and others. I mean, you start off from a different place you start off from they really wanna prove something is safe before they use it in the United States are standard is in less. We have proof that it's dangerous. We're going to allow it. It's going to be used in. So we'll argue for decades over whether or not it's dangerous Europe has tried to take a different stance. For instance, they already banned years ago peo- EA, which is an ingredient surfactant that Monsanto used for commonly in its roundup formulations. And it is in fact, the formulations more so than glyphosate that is thought to be so detrimental to human health because of this combination. So they've already banned it, and they very narrowly just granted a five year window of approval for life Assayed. They almost banned it entirely at the end of twenty sixteen they don't allow widespread cultivation of genetically engineered crops. There's not a lot than of sprain over the top of crops with glimpses say, so you know, they they have a more protective view, I think of their natural resources and of the role that that food plays in human health looking at the United States. Among the suggestions that you make in your book, you talk about some of the incentives that the the US department of agriculture gives to farmers to pursue certain kinds of crops. You say they're confusing and often contradictory, and maybe we're pushing farmers too much to concentrate on the crops where these kinds of practices are very widespread particularly corn. So what would you change? Well, there are a number of farmers right now that I'm I'm following in there in the midwest. And they're trying. To figure out ways to grow corn, and soy and wheat. But but also in a swarm of other crops in do it using fewer pesticides, and they're not doing it necessarily because they're worried about human health. They are, but they're also recognizing worried about environmental health because even if you set aside all of the different problems that pesticides cause for human health, and you can look at the agriculture health study, and you can see, you know, how they track with prostate and breast in Parkinson's and all these sorts of things, even if you set all that aside, the environment cannot be sustained when you're using the same pesticides over and over and over, and this is why we've developed systems with Clive state in insect resistance with the different sectors sides in why we're having to use more and more fertilizers because the soil has become so unhealthy and the nutrients have been so killed off. So with these farmers are trying to do is is work with mother nature instead of against mother nature. What a lot of people would like to see is is instead of subsidies for properties. Plant corn corn core Cornyn, spray it and spreads sprint sprint. How about we develop programs research programs for farmers who tried to do something different rotate their crops plant cover crops, use different rows facing used different techniques. And and there's so there's a lot of people that are are pushing for those types of programs in the USDA has given out some grant money to these farmers in. There is a movement in that direction. USDA even has some of their research people out in the fields spanning across the midwest. Trying to teach farmers to use less pesticide because they see the environmental headaches that that this is creating Jerry Gillam author of whitewash. Thanks very much for joining us. Well, thank you for having me. One thing that surprised me about this gym. When we started researching the show is how little media coverage is being given to the trial and the whole question of the safety of round up. I think that the debate at least should have more publicity. And it's a big reason why we decided to do the show. Absolutely. And you know, one of the core principles of her organization and her work is this idea that we need more transparency in these questions, and I couldn't agree more about that that said trial like this is the worst way to determine the science of how these things work. I mean, bringing a case of does X cause cancers such a complicated epidemiological study and juries are naturally swayed by their sympathy for you know, for these sad cases and these victims. So it'll. Be interesting to see where the trial goes. But the question of whether this chemical is safe shouldn't be decided court lodge. It'd be decided by scientists around the world doing research, and and it's quite likely that you know, that research you need to be continued. This chemical is used so pervasively around the world that even if it's quite safe. And in most of the evidence seems to be that it's pretty darn safe. Even if it's dangerous in small ways that those ways could really add up. So I'm all in favor of continuing research. And there's no question that corporations have a lot more money to throw at this than do say nonprofit foundations. Yes, of course, there's money being thrown at this both sides because you also have opponents of of of these crops and these businesses who also have interest in funding debate. Ultimately, I think we need to make sure that the science is transparent, and she raises. Some really interesting uncomfortable cases. The very fact that she has to drag a lot of this material out of the EPA, for example with with freedom of information act request this stuff should be more openly available. We shouldn't be having the sense that our government or anybody else's stuff from it. So I'm I'm really on board with that. It's how do we fix it? I've Richard Davis. And I'm Jim megs and our producer Moran. Schafer? Thanks for joining us. We're a production of Davies content. 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#407: A Mathematician, The Last Supper, And The Birth Of Accounting
"Support for this podcast and the following message come from the university of Maryland where the founders of Google Oculus and squarespace got their started. Find out how you MD can start up your next adventure at you and you MD dot com. That's why oh you and you MD dot com. Hello and welcome to planet money. I'm David Kessler and Jacob Goldstein just a quick note. Today's show, originally ran in two thousand twelve this show is the story of an innovation that changed the way the world worked, and of the man who made that innovation possible. He was a monk a mathematician, a magician and possibly the boyfriend of Leonardo da Vinci. The man was Luca petrole and the transformative invention that he brought to the world is, of course, at that double entry bookkeeping and dig up, when I mentioned, I remember when we were doing the story, my mentioned the planet money team that we wanted to do a show on the birth of modern accounting and run here said, are you joking? We are not joking. It is a great story. This message comes from NPR sponsor Salesforce, today's customers want more from companies banks that are virtual financial advisers hospitals that are digital wellness partners. And Salesforce, the customer relationship. Management solution can help deliver those magical personalized experiences customers want by uniting your marketing sales commerce service and IT on an integrated CRM platform. Learn how Salesforce brings customers and companies together at Salesforce dot com slash NPR. It's nineteen sixty five a white minister is murdered in some Alabama. But no one is held to account more than fifty years later. We return to the place where it happened to call ally, ally and finally solved this murder white lies from NPR new episodes dropped Tuesdays. Our show. Today is an interview with Jane Gleeson white. She wrote a book a few years back called double entry how the merchants of Venice created modern finance Jane has an accounting degree. And she just got obsessed with this topic. And one of the first thing she pointed out to us is that in order to have accounted, there really is something else that you need. I you need to have numbers. And when our story takes place is the fourteen hundreds much of Europe is still using these Roman numerals. I you know, I thought Roman numerals must have gone out the Roman empire but neither lasted well into the renaissance. So the problem with Roman numerals as any schoolchild knows if they've tried to work with them is you can't adult subtract with them, you have to that, just that just like a written language for recording numerals. So you do anything with them. So they're these recording. The minimize will cover them into rock. That's how useful there. Well, we still do that, too in Jacob. Think about it, right. Say you have four hundred and twenty six. Pounds of pepper. And you want to write that down. You would write down. I had to look this up. CD X, X V, I, which is not useful. It is really just like you're writing out four hundred and twenty six in words. Like. F. O. U. R. H U, N D or. Got it. And, you know, so imagine if you're writing it out and words and you want to do math with that. You know, quick what's LX I x? Plus x y. I have no idea. It has an end was really complicated for merchants because like if someone wants to buy a certain amount of pepper corns from you or will, how much was that gonna cost that required some math and Jane says that was a problem? So with the Roman numerals, they had to have what they called an Abacus, but it's not the sort of Abacus. We think of today, the Abacus was bored of sand with pebbles on it in the columns of the unit. So that was used for the adding and subtracting. So the bankers and merchants set around the squares with the Abacus adding, and subtracting prices and quantities. But then they had to record the results of the psalms in Roman numerals in a scroll, and so there was no connection between the working the mathematical working and the result. So the two things was separated were, and there was no trace of the procedures that had gone on before, you know, the additional the subtraction on math tests when they say show your work. There's no way anybody can ever show there that you can't show the working which meant that you couldn't really tell you know, if they'd been an era or not. But around this time merchants in Europe are picking up on something that's being used over in the Middle East Arabic numerals, these are one do three four five. You know what we all use today? Jin mentions. One philosopher, in Europe, who said, hey, these numerals their super powerful, every, every scholar should be learning them, but the church, actually accused the guy of practicing magic and sentenced him to life in prison. So this was like a big controversial development for the merchants though. These numerals were just super super useful. It was this new way for them to understand and track. What was going on in their businesses and the center of business at the time in Europe was a crazy, exciting and decadent place, Venice than his in that day, was, I think the equivalent of Silicon Valley and New York all sort of wrapped up together everything was happening in Venice. It was an incredibly wealthy trading. Center much from all over the world from England from Germany from Holland from the Middle East. The merchants set the international exchange rates for the whole of Europe and Asia. So it was a quivalent to Wall Street, but it also is the center of a brand new industry, which was the printing press, you write that it was smelly. There was malaria. It was known as being sexually excessive. Yeah. Because of the swamps, it was excessively stinky. And they used to put incense and perfume around the canals to try and reduce the smell, which probably, I'm sure any minute worse. It was a place of decadent excess people had also it's of strange illnesses, as well as malaria, which the physicians put down to sexual excess, so, you know, once more, I give you Manhattan. Then is at this time it has become the center of this huge trading network. You know, it's no longer just like little merchants selling flour to the Baker down the street things are coming on ships, and they're coming in from the Middle East and going out to England. It's really this kind of global hub, and trading is getting commerce is getting much more complex businesses are issuing letters of credit instead of actually shipping. Physical gold and merchants in Venice to keep track of all this. They're starting to use a very sophisticated system of accounting, the origins of this are kind of obscure, it seems like the first known use of it is around thirteen hundred. But at this moment in Venice, it is really starting to take off at the time, it was known as Venetian bookkeeping today, we call it double entry bookkeeping, and that phrase double entry that means that everything you do it gets entered in two different places. And so to just do an example of this say, you're a spice trader and you have one hundred dollars in cash and fifty dollars worth of pepper and you sell say ten dollars worth. Pepper. So you right. One entry in your pepper account showing that now you have ten dollars less pepper. And then you write another entry in your cash account showing that now you have ten dollars more in cash. So this double entry thing, it basically lets you see what's going on, in all of your different accounts. And at the end of the day or the month of the year, it lets you check all that all those pluses and minuses they should balance out. That's the double entry part. But really the key thing about double entry bookkeeping. It's the bookkeeping part, you know, it's, it's a system of precise system for keeping track of everything that's going on in your business, and it's hard to imagine. But Jane says that really did not exist before this previously, the prophet was either in kind you know, so you had three extra cows at the end of your period, with, with w bookkeeping it was obstructed into hod numbers that you could compare with other periods and really know that you had increased Joe wealth by two percent, rather than buy three cars, which is, you know, much. The measure and you can see when you have currency and you have animal skins, and you have wall and you have whatever I mean if you imagine a universe, where people are just keeping track of that by writing in their diary, which is what they were doing before. I have this. I have that I bought this. I saw that. And they're just sort of writing notes all day, the end of the year. Would I mean you have your notebook, but it's sort of a nightmare to imagine trying to figure out if you made money if you lost money, what, what parts of your business made or less money? Yeah. Absolutely. That was the other benefit of dominant. She bookkeeping that you could itemize the prophets in h account. So you knew which, which, as you say, which products you doing well, and in which you want, and then you can start to think about how you would change your business activities. I think it just became for one of the better would much more scientific after the break a hype man for double entry bookkeeping support for this podcast and the following message come from wicks dot com with wicks you can design your very own professional website. Choose a designer made template and get. Hundreds of intuitive design features star now by going to weeks dot com slash money to get ten percents off. If you need to be reminded that we're all more connected than we realize, get the story core podcast in restore your faith in humanity. Uninterrupted conversations between real people about the things that matter most and this season in honor of the fiftieth anniversary of the stonewall uprising, we're highlighting voices of LGBTQ, people across America stories from those who lived before stonewall to today, episodes are available every Tuesday. Okay. So now we have the numbers we have some people practicing what we'd call modern accounting. There's one more obstacle this big idea it needs to get out the rest of the world. And this is where we meet the sort of the accidental hero over story. His name is LUKA Pacelli David earlier this year, I was doing a story just about taxes. It was tax time, and I was interviewing an accountant, and I said, who's, like, the Michael Jordan, or the Muhammad Ali of accounting, you know, who is the greatest, and I'm thinking he's going to give me a partner at some big, New York firm or something. And. He says, we'll go patrolling the guy, he's been dead for like five hundred so petrole he was all kinds of things. He was a monk a magician, but his real love was numbers and math really he was a math guy. But totally he grows up in a small town. He makes his way to Venice, and that is where he sees those crazy, Arabic numbers. And he's totally taken with him. He's also particularly in trance with this fancy way, the merchants are using them to keep their books. He was signed pressed. He says it is the best of all came systems, and in fourteen ninety four Luca petrole place, his big role in history. He writes it down. He writes, down how to do this double entry thing instructions and examples, and then he buries it inside this big huge book. He's writing. It's an encyclopedia of math that clearly Luca petrole is not thinking of himself as the father of accounting. Right. He's thinking of himself as this guy who's writing on encyclopedia of all math known in Europe at the time. Yeah, there's this little section about accounting. I mean, the whole. Book. It's giant it would be like a thousand pages or more today. The title is Suma day out if Medica Joma three up property Yanni, a property on Naliika, well, done David, and so this book comes out, and thanks to the newly invented printing press the great technology of its time. This giant book, it can be mass produced and Jane, she's seen one of the original copies. Yeah. It's beautiful Levin cover. It's so heavy. You have to read it in a cradle. It's the pages a densely densely written there. No, no gaps between the letters. So each word is just run onto the next one. There are no guts between the lie this, it's almost impossible to read, but that was, how it was time, you know, the very, very early days of printing. H may each letter that starts in new page has a woodcut of Luke Pacelli entwined in it. You know, it's very, very beautiful. A woodcut of Luca petrole like you mean like a picture of him. Yeah. Of liquid Charlie holding his divide is, you know, those mathematical dividers like that you make circles with. All that you measure circles. So he he's holding a pair of dividers. Yeah. It's, it's very, very beautiful book. Jacob I was thinking this is like one of the first coffee table books. I mean you buy it just to have it around to impress people. So people go. Whoa. That's a big book. It had math puzzles, and games in it, it had information on how painters could use math to get really three dimensional effects, you know how to paint with perspective. And the book was a really huge hit one of the first readers of Luke patrol, encyclopedia was Leonardo da Vinci at the time, he was painting won't has become his mice famous painting, which was the last supper, this Leonardo use it to firs painting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Leonardo reads the book and thinks it's the, the coolest lettuce thing. It is the coolest latest thing in mathematics that like the ultra cool mathematics texts of its day. I can't imagine what that would be today. So Leonardo da Vinci, reads, it realizes that it, it's really, really useful for the mathematics perspective that he needs to paint his masterpiece, which is loss. Upa so Luca Chali arise in Milan, while the nodded of, and she is painting, the loss upa to help him with the mathematics perspective pain. So, so can we imagine is it is it plausible that petrole would have, like gone over to where Davinci was painting, the last supper and been like, no, you need to do the math like this. You need to draw the lines like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally though, hanging out together. They hung out, you know, they live together after they left Milan. It's very possible that I love is because they both had high sexual tendencies. They certainly spend a lot of time together and definitely look trolley was there in the actual church, when Leonardo da Vinci was painting the last supper, and he was very moved by it. Okay. So this book, maybe it helped bring us the last supper, but also of great historical significance. What patrol is known for today, a different little part of the book volume. One chapter nine part eleven the section about double entry bookkeeping in the Italian, it is cold, particular, stay computers, a scriptures. And it looks the way that it's put into the book, it looks as if it was something he added at the last minute his patron side, that his patrons citizens could keep their accounts properly and become wealthy much. And one of the first things he writes, is like you have to merchants. You have to. Do an inventory, you have to know what you own. And he gives us example of a typical Venetian merchant, who has says, golden coin cases of ginger sacks of pepper packages of cinnamon, and cloves, sandalwood, FOX and Shammy skins Bank deposits. So he walks them through, really the whole double entry thing. Yeah. Yeah. He shows them exactly how to do it from the beginning. So he as you said, he won't since through the whole thing. He mentioned that a have never had an account before. And so the very first thing you do when you open your books is taken infantry and that becomes your capital, so that is all your wealth. And as anyone knows inventories is still in central pot of running a company, so Luca petrole publishes this book, and it's sort of an instant hit it goes abroad. And people start to people read that chapter, and they, they start to use double entry bookkeeping his out what happens. Yes. So what happens is not any does it go abroad, and they read that chopped, but that try chapter was extracted and turned into a volume of it saying, some not long after Pacelli publishes book, the Venetian empire crumbled and. In the news center of trade was what went to Germany, and then to Holland, so as the centers of trade spreads. So this new technique was adopted by the much in the local regions. So you can see that this one tiny mechanism that was invented initially and codified by Luca Chaldean fourteen ninety four spread gradually across the world. And by nineteen hundred it had it was the basis of business across the planet, which is pretty extraordinary. What do you think Luca Pacelli with think of the world today and double-entry bookkeeping everywhere, not just in every business, you know, whenever anyone buys a businesses his show me your books. You know, you have if you if you if your stock is sold publicly you have to, you know, faceless show, your books, you know, a bunch of times a year, but also for countries, you know, countries, keep track of their entire economies, basically through double-entry, bookkeeping. What, what would he think, I think he'd be absolutely stunning. I mean you know he he as a. As an aside co defied and published his twenty-seven page bookkeeping treatise in his beloved mathematical encyclopedia, and to think that that had gone on to become the, the governing system of every Konami on earth. And every corporation, every business, he would be stunned. I wouldn't he full backwards? I think. Jane writes that the last record we have of Luca petroleum in fifteen fourteen when he took a job as a math professor at the university of Rome. He died a few years later, probably in fifteen seventy he was seventy two years. You can see a painting of Luca patrol and a photo of his huge, beautiful math book on our blog NPR dot org slash money. We'll also put up a link to Jane Gleason, whites book it's called double entry how the merchants of Venice created modern finance, I love doing history shows, if there is some great moment, or person from the history of economics refinanced that we have not done a show about, please tell us so we can do a show about it. You can Email us at planet money at NPR dot org. You can find us on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram. Also, we have a great new Email newsletter. You can sign up for that at NPR dot org slash planet. Money newsletter. I'm Jacob Goldstein. Thanks for listening.
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Of Economics at George Mason University Blogger for ECON log author of a number of books including the myth of the rational voter selfish reasons to have more kids in the case against education and open borders as well and here he is back on coast-to-coast last with me a little bit more than a year ago. Brian good to have you back with us. Great to be. Back. What time to be back Yeah. So I'm actually teaching two classes of your life. So I'm really grateful for that but. I'm one of the very few that is well, you know I just had the story before you came on about all these universities concerned about what's GonNa happen with their classes they open up they might have to close is on the is is online education worth it In your opinion. Well. Here's the thing if you're doing it through a regular university and tropical, the world won't even notice you've done Basically after a few years, people probably would forget exactly what was going on and you'll be able to look just like anybody else and the other hand. If you try going to youtube and teaching yourself material, the labor market is not generally going to get credit for that. So you may say, but it's just as good. Why should I have to pay any money unfortunately when you do something like that you looked pretty weird I've. Holds it against you now, you haven't been too happy with our educational industry in the past tecom. gee where do I start? So the main the main thing that I say is that most of what you learn in school is not actually useful the real world. and. Yet. Strangely, it does seem like employers care a lot about it and in my book the case. Against Education I explained that's the real story is probably that employers are using your academic performance just to screen out people that they think aren't going to work out US employee's. Got One hundred applications and it's not that hard to finish college. You might very well. So then I'll throw it all the people that didn't finish college and that will save me a Lotta time and yeah. Maybe there'd be some good applicants. She didn't go to college, but they're just too hard to sort out from the people that just didn't have the brains motivation to get through. So. Anyway. What I basically say is that we created a system where from the point of view of the individual student college is a pretty good deal as long as you are able to finish. But on the other hand for the point of view society, it's mostly spending four or five six years learning about your staff. You're never gonNA use after the final exam and isn't Brian the best education working out there in the field. Yeah, absolutely. So the way that I describe it is that people like to think education job training and more accurate story is that education is mostly a passport to the real training which happens on the job. The problem is that for most high-skill jobs unless you have those credentials, you're not going to get your foot in the door to get the training you actually want. You of used March as a stepping stone as a point guide. Tell me why. Excuse me March, the month of March was or anything different knowledge. Oh well, March is when there was the big shutdown of course, all over the country. So universities all over the country shut down schools over the country shutdown. So that's WH- that's where basically online education went from being a really weird thing something that almost every was college doing so I think it has been de stigmatized by quite a bit again, the main issue is just that. Still if you just try doing the same thing for free on youtube, you'll probably not going to get credit for that in labor market. It's all well and good to say, well, I noticed as much as someone who actually paid for the classes but for input from players point of view, it's just too hard to know whether that's true and they don't want to take the time to go and figure out whether some person who says that they know it all naval talk themselves really did what Percent Bryan, our schools in universities open this fall as opposed to being shut down because of covid. Yep So am I own university I read our local newspaper article claiming that forty percent of the classes are happening person. But when I walked around the campus I have trouble believing ten percent are so I don't actually have the numbers even from my own university but it sure looks like almost everything is is happening online and there's a very small number of classes that really happening. Does it begins area lot from school to school. So I know you UPA for example claim they were gonNA open, and then they delayed for two weeks which university Shania in my home state Then there's a few schools sort of in college towns were they have invest auto testing and they're all telling the students not to leave campus so whether they can actually get away with that. Maybe in a remote school, you could get away with it. But yeah it is an issue of course all over the country as to what they're gonNA do, and basically most schools are just opting for the path of of extreme caution. which I think is to stay a really bad idea but. The people that are in charge with much much much rather justice late getting any trouble bad. Actually stick their necks out and try to make the experience soluble again I agree with you I I don't think the best way to defeat this virus is to hide from it and in the run away from it I think we've got to face it front on and we've got to get people to expose to it. Let build up immunities and go from there and I I have recommended we open up everything again. Yeah mean. So eating would say is that reasonable caution makes sense for certain people yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. For Yeah. For certain people. So say like if I knew that someone had, it's I brought at my age I want to go and try tried to catch their to catch germs but doesn't mean that I'm not gonNA see friends go places or do things. So. As one where you get eating the risk I would say is you know a lot of flu but still a lot less than many other stores diseases that people did not shutdown site for. So you know like you know the pass of moderate. I think what it would have made. It would have made a lot of sense. But of course, that's not the path people took took the path of I would say this paranoia see the CDC is saying that most of the people have died from covid well, over ninety percent had prior conditions of other serious illnesses and things like that. So the big question is is had they not had those illnesses. What would the percentage of deaths have been if they were normally pretty healthy and I would say it would have been negligible. So you know it's a very reasonable question any. Also. A lot of the problem is that they? Don't. No country will do voluntary page human experimentation where which would be fantastic way of finding out answers to basically every difficult question in two to four weeks. Right, here, this is not doing head doing anything crazy. Not Making anyone anyone participate. It's just saying you're somebody if you will volunteer their babies experiments, you'll receive money and we will get answers but you know I don't know of any country that's willing to actually do this. Obviously, there's this idea. This is bio. My favorite line of Bioethics is ethics as strategy is to astronomy might it's really just a list of terrible ethical precepts up saying that even when people want to go and and contribute to developing extremely useful knowledge and they consent to do it nevertheless stale, you can't do it. What do you think are home-schooling Bryant. Yes. So I have been home schooling my older son's for five years. So obviously, I'm pretty supportive since March I've actually been home schooling by two younger kids all use the main thing I would say about home schooling during normal times is that It's not a it's. It's a great option for some people. It's not great for everybody. So if you're someone who has a lot of jobs flexibility and a lot of patience and you got kids that are interested in doing it, then it's great. On the other hand if you're someone where their parents in the family has a job that fits well with it. If a kid is if you don't have all the patients with kids if the kids just don't like being home schooled, then I'd say it's not such a good idea. I would say now whatever I see people that are watching their kid. Zoom School. That's say you totally should do home school. Even if you don't have a lot of patients, even if you've got a job conflict, you might as well, just go and teach your kids rather than sit over their shoulders and either monitor. Either way you're spending your time, but you can get a lot more learning for your kids. It's a lot less boring to actually do something instead of just watching a child like a hawk get back to work get back to work. So right now, at least at least you for the large majority kids under twelve, I would just say the home schooling. Is a no brainer and when people say they're not doing it I really like you've got an option to think regular school than they're getting at least daycare but right now you're not getting any daycare school. So if you're not getting that and you might as well actually go and teach you might if you don't know your ABC's and rhythmic yourself your. Hot his home schooling work in terms of the curriculum, the credits and things like that. I mean do do schools school districts look at that as something that's usable and applicable to you know moving on to get your high school diploma, for example, right? So it varies tremendously by state I know the state that I'm in Virginia very well. So and you had the answer is that if you are a home school or you're not going to have a normal high school diploma however if there's nothing stopping you. Apply to college and mostly like large majority colleges. Now, a very open to home schoolers. The key thing is that you don't only want to say I home school my kid on east grades. That's all you've got then. In colleges are not going to be very interested in you on the other hand if you've got standardized test scores if you make an effort to get outside certification. People often recommend how about go and. I'll. Take a few classes, your community college or something like that. So you supplement it. So look, it's not just his dad's who says these great he's got a from a community college. So they basically just need to be thinking about what can I do to reassure colleges that my kid actually is going to it's going to be ready to do the work. Listen to more coast to coast. AM every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast am dot com for more. 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