20 Episode results for "Two Hundred Yards"

Mums

Plant Of The Week

02:53 min | 1 year ago

Mums

"The main plant for this week is mum's chrysanthemums as they. Used to be called. Now, they're mess embry anthems and don't try to spell that. Don't even ask me how but they're the. In Nail. Genesis of gotten in there, and now we have actually a a will just call it a real. Rainbow of colors in mums and some other plans for that matter. But the MOMS that I was saw this week were in containers. The container was according to half pot. The plant hung out six inches on both sides. It was probably ten inches tall in the middle, and then there were twenty six of them all in full flower and what a show. Now the mile fashioned one that's been sitting here for years was unceremoniously divided and moved about six weeks ago is not in full bloom at this point the buds they're they're they're opening. I can see color tell that it's. Going to be yellow. So there's a very very Asian in timing and depends on who grew them. If it's Lazy Gardener like me, they're not doing much at the moment. It's grown professionally. It's probably fantastic full bloom, and then I mentioned a yellow there's yellow there's whites there's creams rust there's it goes on and on and on, and then there are various kinds or show out, call it kinds of flowers Tight button some are much more open spoon shaped petals. There's all kinds of things they all make a terrific showing from now clear into and quite often passed the first frost or two or three until a hard freeze. They are plant that I recommend. Well I playing, recommend them period because they add so much color for the next six weeks or so however when I want them to grow over and be sure that they are perennial or at least more sure I liked plants in as little plants in spring. Now, that's if I'm going to have a show of various colors, sizes, shapes, and so on. In the spot that I can handle, just call it visually handle just green all summer long until now but right Now these sixteen to twenty plants that I saw are just a dazzle I'm sure if I had looked at them from two hundred yards away I still could have told their size shape and so on. They're just they are a magnificent plant right now and properly planted fertilized and that always when you take them out of the container scores or root out of the edge I, wouldn't go anymore and a quarter of an inch deep and then plant them tamp them in. Water, them water them, water them. No that's every I three days, and then back off from there, they should then go into winter in good shape being planted at this point.

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8.2 Is Heating Up

The Frazley Report - Your Weekly World of Warcraft News

04:20 min | 2 years ago

8.2 Is Heating Up

"The. Look, the frazzle report shortfall cast by me, the awesome Nome about the world of warcraft. So the mid fire festival starts this Friday across Astra, outland brilliant, fires had been lit to rekindle people spirits and ward off ancient evils each year. New guardians are chosen to watch over the sacred flames and ensure that they are never extinguished. Last year said torture hundred NASA by savant thankfully, had nothing to do with the fire festival cities across the stone. High alert though, Savannah's has been banned from participating in any of the festivities and they've also been given a restraining order by the sentinels from approaching any world tree, and the simples are gonna be on watch twenty four seven until the end of the festival. It only takes spark to get a fire going and soon all those around will burn up in the glow. Please be careful with fire while participating in this event and this year, there are now bonfires and co tears and Endo are. And they've also added a fire eaters, heart stone toy and eight point two is started the heat up. Even more severe face in two is ending soon. And a season is Peavy p dungeons mythic plus in different things. The end of one of these seasons. Usually means that a passionate. Well, while had mentioned that the first release candidate build of eight point two has hit PT are on June fourteenth. So eight point two could be this week, though, highly likely probably be next week or the week after I hope it's. After that, I won't have why fight, but we haven't even gotten the patch download yet in the background down letter though, who knows by the time you hear this report, it may have made it to the download her, which would explain why you're getting that lag. All of a sudden, in that group, you what that wiping that rate, and all that just blame it on the download her. And while it doesn't cover to change that, if you grew for someone who has turned up gaining XP your experience will be reduced by ninety five percent when you are within two hundred yards of that flare. This is gonna cause Ella fees islands, warfronts and others to become very big places for trolling. This was apparently to stop. Twinkling or someone one ten is able to help boost someone from one ten to one twenty in short period of time though, this changes kind of worrying, hopefully, we get clarification, soon now a non worrying change. Full peer have showed up at an allied race and some code used for bringing your player character into cut scenes. This could be Oko or something that portending us finally getting these cute and lovable people at the playboy race. I am so excited. And I hope that this becomes a reality. You know. You're a cute. Little heartbreaker, VO Pira. I wanna take you home high. Yeah. You gotta be mine. All mine oval here. Let made up my mind. Yeah. Higher wasting all my precious time and before we in today's broadcast some people have received an Email with the survey that ask about their reaction to an upcoming level. Squish the wording of this is if it has been determined to happen. We have had no official confirmation other than various statements in the path that it is an idea at the desert thinking about either the news over my head, or it is happening. And they want the initial reaction I well, this, the XP Nerf of appear have definitely started fires discussion across the internet. On things cross them recording this. Okay, so push. You're just clarified that the X PF will only fly when you manually invite players Ella fee and Ella fire will still be normal. This will still make refined for invasion, assaults quest very frustrating. Hopefully, those get exempted before eight point two lunches or get added it has a hot fix. Well, as we end this report, I wish to remind all listeners, we did it start the fire. We tried to fight it. But we did it ignited the fondest did. So, so next time be awesome. The froth report is a fan pot guest covers blizzard games. We are not affiliated with wizard Entertainment inC music, spread by the host and guests are their own with the art music and found effects come from wizard games and are owned by visit entertainment. inC. No, copyright infringement is intended. Bye. Had jogging powered studio dot com.

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Speaking with 4 Play Turkey Calls and Determinator Effective Range Targets

American Outdoor News Magazine

53:56 min | 11 months ago

Speaking with 4 Play Turkey Calls and Determinator Effective Range Targets

"All we're here with the american outdoor news podcast and way here with cutting edge game calls and we're gonna be talking about their foreplay. Turkey call. very innovative. And it's really a game changer. The turkey box coal industry. We're here with eric style. Also in Brian But oregon so guys. Thanks for taking the time expert. Thank you now eric. You are the inventor of this new box. Will i am. I am my I was making regular box calls And i'm i'm primarily a box call us or i could never get to mouth. Coal perfected Some people can regret at some people can but Everything i've killed was with a box craw and what drove me to do something like this. Is that almost all box. Calls are a lower court. Did they sound very similar. So if you do know any turkey hunters out there. Usually they're taking more than one. Call out in the woods with them. So they can produce different frequencies. Different sounds different pitches. So i'm thinking well wouldn't it be nice to have something all in one unit that would make different types of frequencies and what i had come up with is a four sided box where i mounted the lid to a wheel and this is my personal call. Right here But as you can see there's a wheelchair and you're able to use all four sides so there's really. There's no bottom on this box at all. I don't know if you could actually see that. But i i have different types of would produce different types of sound. Exactly you have different slots in all four sides of you are turkey. Goal right the apps and we're primarily using cedar walnut sassafras poplar gotta white oak top The bodies are they vary amine in. It's only for looks. I'm in our primary bodies right. Now are cherry mahogany or walnut. Now i've seen boxfuls with the different types of wood and the unique and you start to see that more commonly you really took that to a different level with the wheel where you don't have to keep swapping out The the would you just flip into the other side. He got a different sound correct. And you don't have to use different types or disassemble. Something important back together. Everything's in one unit and really not a wheel is very unique. What really got me to patent on this call was the ability for this paddle to actually move forward or backward Which also changes the sound from high to low on each trail. That's that's Definitely something handy to have in the woods. I coulda used it Last week when a whole flock a turkey walk by about forty yards from a. And i didn't have a turkey while i was still haunting but season runs together by i'd be. I'd have a turkey in the freezer. Now i go buy one for thanksgiving. Our season opens on halloween. Here in. pennsylvania was on holloway. Brian you are the the hands on guy that manufacturers the foreplay turkey call yes. I bet eric through mutual friend We hit it off. We started talking about producing calls together and we continued but i am a lifelong woodworker. I my background is in Cabinetry and fine furniture so this was a bit of a departure for me But i had the ability to reduce his call. I know eric will will back me up on this. He tried to make these In his shop and it's a difficult call to make the save your marketing it in a you know a quantity more than one off because if you buy one in your friend buys one and they happen to be slightly different because they're made Or significantly different because they're handmade problem so This all this process all starts out on a cnc router. So you can see this. Chris but this the body which is his dog bone shape piece will be cut out on a cnc router The doing is speed for us to some degree. But it's also repeatability consistency for product product. Yet where within thousands. You know we're we're we're like machinists here with with the tolerance is that we can make these bodies so when you're building a call on anyone's up against us Just get a couple of come. Often they don't sound right And and we do all to that. We take those. When we a burn piling everyone else does however by starting with the cnc. We can eliminate difference in sizes from being that reason on sometimes. Just reacts differently sounds differently. there's some things we can we do to to now A lot of things. We make sure that it's all done before they're sent out to the customer but sometimes sell them. Just don't go operate so they could put aside nothing to be ashamed of. I think everyone does it. True that there's a lot of hand work. I know some there some push back a little bit on. Cnc not being handmade. That's just are starting because at that peace comes off at that. Point will lead me. There is a lot of hand work gets done to this body and it's called between that point in when you receive in the mail so it's you know it. It is definitely a handmade kuala one at a time here shop pennsylvania It's made in. America always will be long as i'm involved now how i will change. How many can you reduce the season We we have yet to figure that offers. I mean we're we're new. This was launched last year. I'd say about this sign a little bit earlier but We're just really going to our first season. So you went to the the great american outdoor show last year in february basically unknown We walk either. Saw one hundred and fifty calls lasso. The guy's really took to it. you know they. We had people walking over to our booth. Same you know they were call makers as well and they're saying there's people at their booth talking about our call so was really well. You know it was well received by the hunters The nra actually picked us up and goes on. her website. Is one of the most exciting new products at show last year. So that was that was really neat So it's eric sky grinding. it really does eric. I would imagine as hunter. You have a lot of time set in the woods to think. And how did you formulate this How did how did you come to designing this call. Well i basically it. Was you know i'm just taking the myself you know i have. I been in many situations where you know first thing in the morning right off through smith cup of called bank in a you got your bird all right but many times especially when these birds are pressured They've heard everything out there committed season. You know vegas smart They won't come in a lot of time. So i you know i'm thinking i need to change the frequency of the recall to see what happens. Well it worked I have a disclose a higher pitch call at. It's done on purpose. I don't wanna take. I'm not saying don't take a boss go out and whistling. They work great light. When you're in a situation where you need to change it up or whatever. Try something like this. I have now since. I came up with this. This is the only call us I don't know you because i'm trying to you know get video. I'm trying to do whatever i can with this call Been pretty successful with it. So far I i've killed six birds would itself far. Should've killed seven. The gun didn't go off as a long story but It's it works great. I mean as far as You know you have to play with the call to get the sound that you're trying to find. I will say that every call even know they are exactly the same together. They're not going to sound one hundred percent exactly same now like one of our highest rails on these calls is warmer. But that's not the case of michael michael. I got a high pitched on my on my sassafras rail which is basically a lowered tone. It depends on the way to grain running But now let's say a going to give you an example like a key key in the fall. And i'm going to give you unrest. Show you why this is important to be able to move this back and forth all right. I'm gonna move up to get a higher pitch and then gonna bring it down. So and i'll use my gum on here to to to do this as you can see it'll change as you go up You can do that now. The bombers usually. You're you're highs. Just try with. You can see the difference in your preference. will you wanna use. I mean there is no general rule out there in the woods. You're not in a competition. The bird is what you have to impress. And and chris not to interrupt here. Kristie do yearly audio from the call. Because i couldn't hear it as soon as you start. Applying a i heard the began in that faded out. Yeah yeah it's like the microphone or something cut out for some reason so they could see landed eric. But we couldn't hear. I try one more time. Let me try one more time. I'll get a little closer. I'll stand up. Or maybe rare way. So now i can. I can vary slightly here it. Maybe it's a microphone just Muting out the ambient noise. It might be okay. Well i if you go to if you go to the website full play turkey calls dot com. They have video there. If you go to american outdoor news magazine we also have Video in the ad. So you can watch eric and action news nicole and Colon and some birds So yeah it's It's an exciting call. I think you gotta you gotta play with it. A little bit just Not just yours with any core just to get a feel for get to know the tones what it can do. It can't do And a really like you said becomes a matter personal preference which you're gonna use us. I think any. It's like a musical instrument. Any good musician does a lock on a stage and start playing without practicing. So it's it's gordon that but one thing i'll i will mention. An error is a lot of times too modest the versatility of the call. What you can do with it in what you can do with it. With limited motion to bird hangs up just out a range instead reaching for another call to get him in. I can just pull back on the lid. And i can get that bird in could make a much better day than having to reach for that goal getting busted in that bird itell- either so i think that's that is the key to this call being as as useful as it is. Is that ability to change the tones with very little movement and one thing that this call does that. Noah call will do if you if you put your thumb in the pocket like that. Okay because one handed. I got three hours coming in on. That call outs the one where i got messed up on the said seven with us but but it's On our website. I i now brian. You were saying you never call takes practice. We got to videos of a fella in maine and he just got the call to know how to use. It did not sound great with the first video killed bird. The next day they killed another bird with this call and it's all all on all on our web page. It was really cool now brian. You are new hunter. You didn't hook pie to get involved with With full blight gloss lot niamh Yeah it's everyone seems to like that part of the story. When eric came to me came to me as woodworker not as a fellow hunter he needed help again. Like i said earlier to make these calls in a professional manner that could be sold. So gordon honestly. When i was getting involved my wife was asking me. What are you doing because you don't hunt is said well i have. I actually chris. I come from hunting background. I might buy Mom and dad from saint paul minnesota. My dad deer hunting my good luck on all that. Fortunately my dad passed away when i was nine years old. So it wasn't really to me. I grew up playing skorts. You know all all kinds of sports and the outdoors was not necessarily something that was presented to me I am gone out since. I'm not technically not working. I have now Might plan on going out This this fall season I love it. I think it's great. I think you know the sport needs new. Blood needs new people to come into it. You know it's it's a shrinking market. And i think that this really has to be presented to the kids in a way that's gonna compete with you. Know the awful video game scourge that we have going on. I have three three boys myself and battle respect. Do you take them out. They get out into the woods they be. It's it's you know. Dad's got learned. I you know before. He very brings his kids out. But yeah my partners. Chris is to make the products really well. And it's it really. I mean i hate to my my own horn but the call is when you get it. It's it's it's basically custom call made to get to as many people as we can The goal is made up. Graham hardwoods are the wallet sherry come from Would we have deals with Tree guys so. When sandy came up the coast i got a lot of walnut. I got a lot of shares so a lot of this stuff would ended up in landfill. So you'll green as far as concern. The mahogany we work with other manufacturers the advanced ability to call this big or chronic zach. Small is i can make use of a lot of great material that companies at no use for that that they would burner they end up lands though as well is again instead it scrapped or you are a a yawn eighteen. Call it scrapped. Because i couldn't buy nicer material. I really good. Is you know the mahogany genuine. South american mahogany. What if your guy. You can't find any you know they. They closed down brazil. They don't bring up genuine mahogany more. So what is called hog in our now is is standing superior leads a lot of different woods. That are not mahogany. So i feel blessed to be able to use some really nice journals to do this and be green at the same time as fantastic right. Well i appreciate you guys. Take the time to come on the show. Where can we find you guys. You can go to our website. Which is four foreplay turkey. Call on it's the number. The number four played turkey coal note. No assan call just call dot com You can call us at six one zero nine eight four four zero nine nine We're on walmart. dot com. We are on amazon at this point. Where amazon bait. So there so many products on amazon is like beyond the internet to find us on. Amazon is a bit of a challenge. But ron candidate. Okay and we plan on. I joined. I joined bolo. Which is where you and i before but You know boneless opening up all kinds of different opportunities for where we'll be available so we'll be on honey lake dot com. I go while American outdoor news. You know all kinds of exciting new possibilities for the season so i'm pretty excited In sprang well over the winter. We're going to be on michigan out of doors. Tv program So we're spreading. The word is is much as we can great and you know if you need anything from me. Always feel free to pick up the phone. I'm always up to help. Absolutely we want you to kill bird and take a picture up inside the. That's what we want enough friday. Express chris chris constantly in the air and he's constantly taking photos of himself in the woods. So i'm season. I haven't seen the deal all season. I saw him praia too. Darn early bear. They just disappear. I've been out to. And i've only seen a handful and But it's gonna get better to rush right around the corner here. yes same here. That's why i'm heading up on friday I figured i'd hit the beginning a run. It's gonna be cold this weekend. Yes i think it's going to be twenty two degrees in the morning up there. So dress wong. Hopefully they'll be moving around and put something in my freezer right back. I wish the best. Thanks again i appreciate you being on we're gonna take a break here And the segment was brought to you by underwood ammo and huntable lifetime and stay tuned for our next segment. We love our children. We protect them. We guide them. We prepare them for life in the world with all that we do. From deep in our hearts we cannot control offerings life. Threatening illnesses and disabilities affect far too many of our children each year while we cannot change the circumstance we can make dreams come true dreams to provide to provide spiritual ruling in strength to provide moments of happiness and relief in the hardest of times we can give a glimmer of light and hope in a time of darkness and despair. Join punt of a lifetime dot org to help make dreams come true to provide hope for children with life threatening illnesses of disabilities hunter. My time is a nonprofit organization fulfilling dreams for hunting and fishing trips to twenty one and under with life threatening illnesses and disabilities visit hunt of a lifetime dot org to learn how you can make a difference right. Welcome to american. Outdoor news podcast. Today we are here with david. Howard of determinator targets and David thanks for taking the time to sit down with us today. I hear you got a lot of exciting things going on. We do christian. We really consider it a privilege to be with you today. On your podcast. Thank you but so now. You will formerly known as effective rate. Starts you transitioning over and would tell us a little bit about. it's great. we're now now. Have our targets being represented as determining targets. Some people may part of us as effective range. Darvish in our tari for those that don't know much about. It is a hunting target and recreational shooting target. That's paper chart. Our targets are vital size based so each of our targets are different size sherman. Hold up one is this is l. tori and you can see how big that is. Yep how wild hubbert show in one. Our we're talk a little bit today about firmware Will bit as an example so this dark out of ring is the final size of that animals. This onboard hundred yards gate the principal target. Is you set it at a hundred yards. Shoot at five times from honey position in a. Follow your bullets within this dark ring. You can shoot jars if all your bullets within this jeweler yard Two hundred yards four hundred five hundred and six hundred if you should this and one bullets out here. You need more practice before you go honey and we find this is really useful for shooting schools on mentors a mentor. They get target of course has four zonal and vertical lines. You can align your scope to learn that the cancer got when you shoot. They'll be long distance that impacts. You could then you can appreciate it on our targets or multiple bullseye. So this is the center bulls eye men with three additional ones in what this is. Chris is if you have a gun that cited in at a hundred yards or dilute scope. Dial into a hundred a year. You'd be like me. My thirty out six decided in two inches. Either hundred so you would hold here because this is two inches below you hold in aim here in. You should punch out here. My seven mag is three inches. I two hundred. So i here the punch at year so the rays of measurement work. So whatever your gun is it in whatever kind of scope you. They were kind of ballistics. You can use our target any can measure how far you could effectively shoot. An expected. wouldn't shock il. We think that is just so important to the industry. I'm gonna show you one. That's really fun just because you mentioned it one time when we spoke this is our target gang and it. You don't really see the differences. Because i'm holding out for the camera lens to see him but there's a great difference in size between this battle size in this. Violence is young people are targeted to be. You know the better mousetrap than fest really proud on the market to prepare yourself to go hunting and also let you start to make those ethical decisions before you go that animal at two hundred charge. You know that the conditions you're hunting position whether to go with noga. Hanya scher shoot. Should shoot should you stop closer. And we've just seeing that time after time when people give us input back about shooting and i would tell everybody listening to the podcast if you go to our website on determinator targets dot com purchase work but also contact asks if you right into contact us. I'm the one that's gonna respond personally to everything. We just had a person this week. Shannon had shot. His gun was four inches high. Two hundred yards so he was using that at bottom bullseye and he had certain groupings on the told me about any wanted to know because he was confused. A little bit about what that meant is some people think those bulls is below are the yardage ichiro zeroed in in for some ballistic people. That's true my thirty six at two hundred yards is zero to two hundred yards a as ballistic calculators and people get more technical some people say no that means by gun inside a to earn twenty five yards. Okay the for that. But if you have questions on our part ridge or success stories. We love to hear those pictures. We get a lot of those shannon to us on our web page. Well i think there's a little bit of arrogance among shooters that may think that they don't need the target and I don't wanna say hours one of them. But i always thought was decent shot till you sent me targets and You know. I'm from new york so we don't really get a a long range opportunity but I was effective. Range turned out to be two hundred yards. I always thought of as much better than that. But obviously i'm not so you made me a believer will good kristen We find is is that everybody can use our targets. I'm of the age and you can see from the gray hair. I shop competitively through high school and college. I cannot shoot as far as i could twenty years ago so it reminds me of that. I have a good hunting buddy. That doesn't he. He's he's the regular says. I don't have to cite the gun in. I have to cite me in the k. Two days before season a week before season issued by bullets they see that their scope has remained. Knock off and they ended up. I was at a shooting range. This fall we're handing out target to people and i'm on the range. I'm saudi and the guy next to me side. He knew he shoots and he starts packing up on you done. I'm good to go. I look a look at this particular gun range. You have magnetic target next you that you put little banish on showing more your shots hit on the targeted under yards away d'auvergne. I saw that. And i go. That's about nine inches. Yup the size of a plate been hit apply bait. You're good to go. That's sticky popular theory through. Were income. nisha we're in colorado. When i go where not be told me. And i go have you hundred before go. Pow is your average auto two hundred to two fifty. Well i looked at him. Said i'm sorry to tell you this. But as you go further out this spreads this pattern spreads and a two hundred guard. You're not gonna hit the vitals Teach have you do there. Well you know the last couple user wounded my dear and had added you know second third attractive or whatever it is. I said well. I can help you with that. Your targets skate and I it two weeks before we met a guy that was a big guy. Six three muscular big guy. And i go pat for. Can you shoot it out. He goes three hundred yards. Neil great we set the target of he shot. Mealy party said you're two hundred yards shoot. I said this great. I've never had a tell me. How far could you and did you think you could shoot tree. Every george is a big animal. I'm a big guy on the best shot of my hunting group short that i could chew three hundred. Two hundred is well. Maybe that explains why last year and wounded miam- and he goes dave next time. I see you. I'm gonna be shoot for younger. I said i know you will practice. It's all it takes you know. Shooting is a diminishing skill guide. Outfitter the worst thing you can hear when a client comes in again you go you know. Have you shot much. No having chapter last year gave a scary thing. The targets are great for all of us to really know how far we can shoot the women's foundation in wyoming annual over and we don't need to target in two thousand nineteen and this year this year the director of hunter sake deeper the state of wyoming was responsible for this idea of all the women for the event in the used car. And i got in touch with your and she said they were great. Been new hunter really learned how far they could shoot in what physicians should really strive or tablets successful Various hammers some bit reaffirmed. How did they work in. Some of them said hey. You haven't practiced enough. You can't shoot as far as your thought. In chief out was one of the best teaching tools or a mitch. Group of hunters are different abilities than she's been able to really use in a teaching situation. Well it's not always it's not always the weapon you form changes and there's little things that you do that you forget or you formed falters or changes as you get all arrays site your ability to hold the gun steady things change as you get old so it's not the gun. It's the shooter wrong. Sometimes my son tells me it's time for me to upgrade tape. My remington thirty six is fifty years old oman. Barry extra scope. He's got thirty six. Tc alight ways like a better. And he's got one of the new fancier leopold stopes in. It's a it's a different shooting machine he goes with. You kneel down and you click off the safety. We all understand what's going to happen. Take in a lot of people. Think emigrate shine chris. I'm an average shooter. I am but i only take shots. Could make so. Everybody says you're a great shot. I'm really not that great. I just take shots are competent in in papagiannis makes a big big difference. It really does. Self-awareness is we. We had a Two quick stories. We're re in one of our local shows here before the pandemic kit and a guy came by five targets by packages. Attach in a wifi. Because i had four honey buddies were going to the region's weekend. I'm going to blame you any goes. We'll we're gonna. Sarah carb is all issue in my fringe are gonna see. They cannot shoot as far they do. Is i'm tired of tracking their animals. So here's a guy that was using it to help himself but help the overall experience. That's one year. Older is is to help hunters. No matter whether you're beginning enter. i experienced. Hunter have better experience and know what kind of challenge you all. Okay the hardest thing for new person is most of the time. A new hunter is not the best shot. they don't really annabi of the animal as well. They do know hunting tactics as well and we're asking them to get closer than the than the experience child. It really allows you to set your challenge. My challenge is to get within two hundred yards three hundred yards a hundred yards my son michael took his girlfriend man now. They are married so it worked out. I guess took her deer hunting last year. They they practice in the band out route. She was comfortable at one hundred georgia less shooting related steady stick hunting. They position annual broadside just about eighty yards. One shot kill great experience. She now feels good about hunting. So part of it is establishing the right situation. You need and then hunting board. And that's a great deal. We had a german in eastern colorado by some cromwell doors for son is centered twelve Honey we spoil the targets strong. They went now. They actually own a farm he said son. Let's go shoot the target so they went shopping targets as we show nearly if they were in the sun to the bullets were not in regard and he says son what is the target. It looks at the pigs. Dirt says data tells me. I'm not ready to go hunting. The dad was the big house is okay. I bought a lot of targets practice. You're ready come. See me not which went on in the sense that i'm ready to go. So they go out they shoot. All of whom are in the hardy. Dr greenwich is very up taking money. Soon out there they give hundred yards the sun shoots. It wasn't shy. Just a really cool thing about a week later. He told me the sun came in and said that next year by keeping this ring tonight shoot for that said of course the sun diet he understood that to be able to shoot for their. He needed a certain skill up and his dad thing. We said we didn't have to argue. We have to tell him he was already he. He understood the target. Hurry told what he could do. We had a couple of women's group. Chris this is the motion powering torry. They've ever shot because they wanna make their own decision when they're ready not john officer not their husband not the boyfriend beta decide when they're ready get aside their limits is between them and the target and so we just had really great response from the target and we see the variety range of people that he could not service in is simple haber target or targets for which your heart as you found some time to tell us. We're not as good as we think we are or we developed a bad habit. Chris when we first about these targets we shot. They said i wasn't. They told me. I wasn't as good as i used to be. So i practiced more. I cleaned up some of the bad habits. That comes as you shoot and now. I'm a better shooter now than it was two years ago. Just because i've cleaned up stuff. It's something you could do even if you're not with your friends you could do you shooting take a picture. Send it over to shot at this range this position and let me say what you can do any you know. It's a bonding experience for friends and family. In in in timeless of covid k. life is changed and we actually had. This happened within our family. My son go shoe and he'll send me into decade this gay shoot and say yeah at this. I beat you. Or the most recent tax we were doing in wyoming and he went and shot kong-born target Thing is can you beat this chris. I have now answered that text message yet. And i probably won't for a couple of years is i won't be able to beat what he did. You get to be fun. We find recreational shooters. Enjoy this as much as hunters is recreational. Shooters wanna know how far they can choose. How accurate are they can have fun with the people that they compete against shoot against be the as the target will reach you at the six hundred yard your ability while the target sits at one hundred. So if you don't have the ability to go out in shoot six hundred yards or the yards. Three hundred yards is set. The target of test yourself just like you're shooting six yards so it is is alive and we found that it's it's produced a lot of good employees we've got many guys in colorado using our parts and I saw one of these. The denver icy showa january twenty twenty here any order more targets and he says date. This is fabulous. We usually last year. We reduced our miss in moon. Wake thirty percent. it's a big iago's everybody's happy. The guides the clients. I am a gives because we now have come in and we've always made a mixture they're was devoted but we never really tested their skill guy who committed sack and shoot three hundred yards. Well now they shoot the targets guide. It's in daegu. Hey you got dave. Our can always use to dauntless into your goal is to giving within two hundred yards and it's made a huge difference so we believe with their implicit. Every guide should be using this in. If you're paying for guided anywhere in the world you need to use our parts because if you're gonna pay good money for that go repaired in the best way you can and you know. Experienced timers have learned their limited match. Why they seem to be more successful than others. And i did mention when i showed the targets. Have eight targets for sale on our website with a twenty two animals so lame. Chris are l. target. You're gonna care money. It says right on the target. The vital side is similar to care who crashed in bicet. So if you're gonna let any of those four you can use that. So each target has white tail has a whole list of a mule deer. Everyone has similar animal. So it's really kind of let you also. I'm trying to draw a bighorn. Sheep lights so i shoot in practice on the bighorn. Sheep target is. I'm trying to quit that out into the universe that i'm gonna get license. Day is really fun. Because when i do draw bedroom tag i'm gonna feel prepared because i've been shooting big cheap target now for three years and i complicated that i know if i get a sheep tag my limits and so it's kind of fun to for streamers that young put in for the The hard to get tags and we we're gonna give him one day. I like to dream when i'm out practicing sometime. So there's so much fun you can have with them. in order. The reason behind his is the joy of just adds to so what. What do you have planned for the future. We'll can we look forward to well. I think this year we're real excited about it for many reasons number. One we're gonna take determinator charge to next level twenty twenty twenty one year to really get exposed nationally our product. We are fortunate that we have to long distance shooting schools. Now that are using them in there if the schools outdoor solutions out of oklahoma in search precision in montana were lasted keith. Worn in the high road are using our targets as they do their hunch. This year that will be on their television show next year and keith and maddie and the whole iro team really have understood the bag. Release for the beginning honor and themselves in here hunters the these guys have all year long in places we dream of every kind of animal species and they're finding baggage really been a health for them and if it can be out for them it could be for every so anyway. I did about that end. Getting more national track were excited beyond your pipe today and in the relationship. We're going to build with you for twenty twenty one and beyond one of the pushers we've done is we've been more happy about in the guide and In died for guides to guide hunter prosser every and for people that want at times in. I didn't understand the need for this really until just recently chris. My son and i went to wyoming animal buddy and we stayed in motoc. Tell called the cover wagon motel in less while and we pull into less wyoming in for us. It's a four hour drive. Lot and there's pennsylvania tax there's ohio there's new york there's maryland. There's everybody at the covered wagon motel in west wyoming and so we get up early. The next morning at breakfast were rocketed. These guys drew twenty hours. This guy drove twenty two described Fourteen there they come every year and they're from places that don't issued a long distance and they've got a tag tag an tag white jail tack and as we talk about things they really don't get the chance to shoot long distance fell. He come out here now. That's brought to an end. And they were amazed. Of course we had the shell not so we gave away harvest. Everybody who we wanted to know that the target was there and and they were just amazed because they say they it meant so much to them and to the experiences different when we talked to double horn hydrogen. The problem were there have been hunted a lot in. So if you get seven eight hundred yards away from home they get nervous and start moving. And they were white tellers. He they don't get a seeing six hundred yards away added it feel their presence and move on into really interesting for me to to really experience design mouth. I'm this generation colorado. So i am from colorado. So i've never hunted back east and was funded. You look on the back of our targets. Ucs silhouette of of animals the silhouette of the the my l. The silhouette of the deer is my dear. The silhouette of the annual who is my son's angelo. The silhouette of the bighorn. Sheep is my anybody's before she by more. And then there's a white tape well known in my close knit. Hiding group is ever shot. Y tap weighty due to a friend of a friend to put his silhouette on the target so one day. We're gonna cure that. Chris but but let us really know as we see the different places people from their experience. Our targets could be a benefit to them so it really made for me the believe that twenty twenty one is to get more attrition into the market with our target so everybody in benefit. Excuse me. But i got a two year. What i'm safe a maximum share apartment building here in breckenridge colorado. Enjoying the cold. It was ten degrees when we started our podcast. All right well. Where can we find you would. What's your website. Determinator targets dot com is the website with a store there we currently are only in local colorado stores small gunshots shores but. That's one of our goals. Chris in two thousand twenty one is to get a more retail presence over parts but right now online we typically place in order. it's fulfilled the next day. You get to choose on the website. How you want mail to you so you could determine postage a quick. You need it or if you wanted to go snail mail for less money. That's okay with us. We will be running a christmas special so if you go onto our website starting december. We will have a christmas special. We big business. The perfect christmas present or hunters hunting partners honey buddies people that don't hunt much would like dan. We would like to take part of that. Recreational owning recreational shooting market is. You may lose forty five million recreational shooters and there's eleven million deer hunters sixty again game lenders but eleven million. Gay bets incredible. The deer hunting is eighty percent of the beginning market. And you probably know this. The number one state bird. Hunting license sold guests. Which stated is now your new yorker. New york is number two number one. New york is number two then. We thought was a great hunting. State were twenty second in the nation while texas. New york has vania ohio wisconsin k. Those are the biggest number of hunting license sold in america in so we want as you look at saying big things. Twenty twenty one is give the people in those states to know we will have things coming up in twenty twenty two and beyond that on every hundred can look forward to but this year it is give us were gone. The guide market and work on the retail market. Great right well. I appreciate you coming on today. you can find your ads in american outdoor news as well Well look look beyond facebook and instagram. Great we appreciate very much. Chris thank you all right thanks again.

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The Right Optic for the Mission

Everyday Marksman Radio

23:40 min | 11 months ago

The Right Optic for the Mission

"Way back when. I built my very first air fifteen in really got into tactical optics to begin with. I struggled so much. With what optic. I was gonna pick. I over decision for months. Is that a red dot is an cock. Is it a low power variable. I was all over the map. And i'm sure you can relate this episode. we're going to make it simple. Just as i had wish someone had made it simple for me all those years ago so welcome to the everyday marksman the podcast where it is all about tactical skills for living a more adventurous life. I'm your host matt robertson. I'm glad you could join me today. For episode number forty to our website is everyday marksman dot co. And they're going to find today's show notes as well as all other podcasts. At the sodas are social lakes articles and awesome community of marksman. Now before it gets today's episode. I do have a quick housekeeping issue. I want to say congratulations to the winners of the q four postal match. Now if you're not familiar with a postal match is an opportunity for anybody participate in a shooting match from the comfort of their own home range. Or maybe even inside the house if you're if you're rich not like me off the q. Four-match was all about pistol fundamentals. Took place up to twenty five yards and we had four categories. We had center fire optics and irons rim-fire optics and irons. And we have one winner for each category. So here's our winners. Brian de for rim fire irons aaron de for room fire optics center fire optics goes to alex. Be and center fire. Irons goes to dan k now shutout everybody who competed because there was some great scores out. There a lotta great action reviews. And i had to have a four way tie breaker on such iran's because it was such good performance guys i was really impressed with the twenty five yard shooting on a less than two inch target which was awesome. Each of our winners for this quarter are gonna get a everyday marksman decal which is also available through our website at our support shot everyday marksman dot co ford slash support. Now would that. Let's get onto today's episode now. Optics can get overwhelming a lot of folks including me have gotten wound around the axle over things like barrels triggers and rightly so an optics is one of those things that just keeps coming back as something you tinker. With and to be honest. I think that reason is because it's actually detachable and it's relatively easy to swap it in and out as you as you tinker with different options and is an easy place to spend a lot of money unnecessarily. There's a lot of fluff out there. A lot of people giving you bad advice especially when it comes to being tactical now. There's a lot of good guys out there. I don't want to rehash over a lot of this stuff that's been written out there. I want to make this simpler. I want talk about my two big rules for buying gear. Which you've heard him before. I wanna talk about my six classes of optics. It's really it's five through our insights in there. You'll see we're going to talk about it now. This is less of a buyer's guide because the world of optics is always changing. Everybody's coming out with new stuff all the time. So if i tell you today that december two thousand twenty th the opt to buy is an important pro then who knows next year. April comes out with the m five. It's already out but you get the idea. Stick with me here. Things change all the time. So it's not really worth fee to tell you the best one to buy today. What i want to tell you is basic concepts for choosing the right optic for what you need to do. There is no such thing. As a best optic everything is a compromise and equality. One is going to serve you for a long time and probably multiple rifles here. My tools are buying gear number one. Let the mission detaille configuration and number two by nice or by twice. What does that mean really quickly let the mission dictate the configuration means. You need to know the role that your rifle is going to fulfill. Then you pick the optic to fulfill that role. And i don't mean picking some imaginary situation where you think you're gonna use that optic. I mean being realistic. How you actually going to use that rifle by nice or by twice means by quality. I'm not saying you'd have to buy the most expensive thing in the world. I would love to advocate for that and collect that kind of affiliate income but looks beyond. I'm not rich enough to buy that and most people aren't either unless we have government pockets by also don't think we should be buying the cheapest thing on the market because that's built to price point and it's really attractive at that price point but it's probably not going to last so i don't mean you have to buy the best in class just by quality now in two thousand eight zac. Smith wrote an article for shock news detailing. His thoughts on fighting optics need categorize everything into see. Qb de mar and s pr. And i really liked that structure. I adopted that so full crowd. Zac smith get me started. And how i think about optics But things have evolved since two thousand eight. We've come a long way and how we think about things. And even what's on the market. So i've got five classes of optics i like to talk about. I mentioned six earlier. The class zero is iron sights and this is not a discussion. About ironsides versus optics. That could be another day. But just know that i categorize optics is class zero which means route and disregarding them so start with class one class. One is iron site replacements. Class to is low powered fixed magnification. Think acog class three is low power variable night vacation class four is mid to high manifestation in class. Five is a digital hybrid. Now the interesting thing about this is there was a a slide. The us army presented in two thousand fifteen that basically use the same categorization. I'm doing but called it. Generations first gen second. Gen third gen and beyond. Nfl is basically a similar pattern here. But that's not the important piece at this. Let's actually dig into the individual clauses. And what i think. Ideal use is starting class one replacing your iron sights. Now don't mean literally replacing your ironsides. Don't take off your ironsides. Throw a class optic on there and say you're good. There's no reason you can't run both at the same time. Actually i take that back or a couple of reasons. You might not be able to run both the same time That's another day. Now this is the most popular class of optic on modern era. Fifteen's is typified by the red dots. Aimpoints hollow sons the otx the vortex ones. I'm not gonna say this is only red dot sights because you're classic. Red dot sight has an led a holographic projector. That's gonna project dot onto a screen and then you overlay that dot onto the target point. Click bang hit the target however there are also a lot of zero magnification optics. The do the same thing. That aren't projecting dots. These early press matic zero advocation sites that have an astronomical that illuminates but functionally works the same way. And they're much better people who have astigmatism like me. Not getting into those details today. Just know that exists so my my personal definition of a class one is something with zero amanda vacation but speeds up the aiming process. That's the key. It speeds up the aging process. Now the big thing with a class one optic is you are doing a set and forget style zero the original. M16 a1 used a battle site zero that most people figured was about three hundred yards. Now why they pick three hundred yards because back in the nineteen fifties the ordnance department of the. Us army did a whole lot of studies about the actual combat distance of small arms. And they determined that the vast majority of combat from the civil war through world war two happened at less than one hundred yards with combat beyond three hundred yards. Being a very rare exception. You were more likely to get hit by tillery shell random event than to actually get hit by aimed fire at three hundred yards. Yes i know the marines out there will tell me about bellawood and all the classic examples. Let's consider those as the outliers. The vast majority of small arms combat happens inside a three hundred yards so the thinking was set the ironsides to three hundred yards to leverage the point blank zero. Meaning that if you set for three hundred yards we know. The ballistic arc of the bolt will go above or below the point of aim only so much before impacts something back and that radius is really interesting. I will link to my whole article about the point blink. Zero in the show notes to this episode red dot sights. Work the same way you are not going to be adjusting allocation or winded on the fly. There the kind of optic we are going to set your zero. And then you have to know your holdovers for every distance in between and beyond zero that you set and they are fantastic optics for anything less than fifty yards. They are king of close quarters and speed. They're also really good for anything between fifty and two hundred yards and right there with that. that's pretty much. The operational distance of the ar fifteen platform so yes. Red dot sights become the ideal beginner uptick because they are the closest thing to running iron sights. Now the biggest problem with the class one though is that it has no magnification wise. That problem well in the real world when we're not just shooting at a piece of paper maybe it's a competition or maybe it's a tactical usage or maybe it's hunting the things that we shoot at ten to one hide. They don't want to be shot so sometimes a little bit of indication that distance helps you better identify target and know what you're shooting at not is where it cost one optic fields if you don't have incredible eyesight then it's going to be a little bit harder to find that target if it's laying in the grass or hiding behind a rock at something a two hundred yards and that is where class to optics come in a class. Optic is the low powered fix magnification. Something it's four extra three acts or three point five x and it's very clear it's compact lightweight and it is durable of congress only one example of a class to i also happen to own l. Specter oh s. Which is the canadian version. There's also the classic having seventy nine sig optics bravo series follows us. Category zeiss has made versions of these There's there's a lot of them out there now. It really gained traction at say in the late eighties people started seeing these things on experimental rifles. And then we started seeing him into the nineties. I think they really demonstrate the idea of a rifleman skill set because they really do reward fundamentals. They are magnified optics. So you're able to see out there a little bit more and scan for your target hunt for it while you're looking into the the grasses and the rocks and then i'll most of them have some kind of stadium radical. Let's let's use holdovers so that you can see the target. You can estimate how far that target is and you can hit. How far can you hit it out to without comes down to your skill. i have used my elkin. Which is a four x optic. I have used that out to seven hundred yards before. I'm not gonna say. I can do that on the fly I definitely took somebody. With a spotting scope. I was able to identify shos with a four x cope out to seven hundred yards. The elkin has extremely clear glass by the way. I probably couldn't do that with something cheaper now. The bbc radicals these things. That bullet drop compensating. Radicals are not terribly precise. He's not precision. And for the most part you're also not going to be dialing when did or elevations not that you can't but you're probably not going to. I think the ideal space for class to optic is outdoors between fifty and three hundred yards indoors. Read outside all day but outdoors is where really the shine now. I go back to a training class. I took a couple years ago. And i actually ran a bunch of ethics class but we were going out to Jungle lanes which would out to about three hundred yards. Baby give or take outdoors in wooded terrain and i did run a red dot sight. Iran cog in in iran. Melcan even ran my low-power variable which is class three and they all worked great. But i definitely had a much easier time looking into the into the distance and finding targets when i had a bit of manifestation to help me out with a nice bright glowing radical. Now where are these. Things are going to lose out. I think to close one is obviously speed. You can be fast. The class to optic as long as it has a bright radical. But you're still not going to be as fast as a class. One with the red dots head or something like that but then that talks about class three objects the low power variable option now. Low-power -able gives you the option. This is you can run down to one acts being nomadic vacation. Basically a class want optic or zoom it up now. The latest wants today go up to ten x that's a huge span of manifestation can work through. I think class to optic have started. Lose ground on this when i first started shooting. Aalam it my very first out to gabbara air. Fifteen was a class three. It was a one to four x variables. tr twenty four from twitter con still. Have it still use it but at the time. These low power variable classrooms optics topped out around four magnification for x. So you had a choice between a very durable very clear with incredible glass. Optic like oh ken. Or my my a cog or i could get a variable for a little bit less money but that gave me a array to capability. Why would i ever go with the more expensive fixed option will. I came down the durability because to get that kind of durability out of a variable power optic required spending at least two thousand dollars if not more time that would have been something like the alcan specter dr however because the low power variable class. Three market has been so hot in the last ten years. A lot of companies have done a lot of work to make these things better more durable and have wider indication. I can see a whole lot more argument today for a one to eight x or a one to ten x even if it's not quite as durable over something like a fixed three x or fixed forex. The main downside is wait. A variable optic is always going to way more than anything that's fixed. It's more complicated. Therefore it's going to cost more to execute. Well if you remember my interview with ilia koshen. Dark lord of optics. We had a sidebar. Which i can't remember if actually made it into the interview recorded but we talked about when it comes to compromise. Sometimes it's better to go with the simpler option because it's going to be executed well for a lower price so in general at a lower price point a fix advocation is going to be more durable and how better than a variable optic of the same price solicit up to class four then the mid to high power options. This is what zach smith would have said it'd be for s. Pr's this is what you're gonna find on ready rifles and your diem are rifles. Were in precision rifles. Like i've seen with my bolt actions. They're going to top out anywhere between nine to sixteen to twenty four thirty five magnification. A lot of times radicals are going to be done in. Mill radi 'em rats. Were they're going to be in minutes of angle. They're gonna have the adjustable turrets on the top they're going to have all the features you'd expect of a precision rifle scope and they work really well at that but of course now you're talking about distances beyond what you would typically be using your air fifteen four because less than three hundred yards class. One two or three are going to be way better to us than something in a class. Four beyond five hundred yards six seven hundred yards. Or maybe you actually want to do some long distance observation. Your class for optic is gonna shine. I probably don't spend a whole lot of time on that. One picking the right precision optic as a whole another topic for another day so talk briefly about my class five the digital hybrid how this is kind of the world science fiction. But do you remember a few years ago. There's a company called tracking point that made a whole lot of buzz in the market. And they had this whole idea that you could take a scope and you could insert computers into it and the computers. We automatically checking things like this is a target and they would know the ballistics bullet you're firing and they could read environmental conditions such as barometric pressure and density altitude. And all that fun stuff the president shooters love to talk about and then within inside the radical it could project where you should aim on the target and all you had to do was move the scope the point of impact to wear told you where to aim and it would automatically fire for you. It was called cheating now. The system has never gained widespread traction probably because it costs a lot. It was very large system. But the idea still exists. And i guarantee though i have not actually seen this thing and action there are probably a lot of very smart people at various merck companies. Getting a lot of money from the government to be able to meet these things reality. We're getting there. I think the subsequent become more popular in the future. But we're not there yet. So i'm not spending a lotta time talking about that one now. One question that will come up talking about all these classes. Optics is combining optic classes together. So for example jeff gurvich. I interviewed earlier in two thousand twenty. He mentioned to me that the ideal configuration for his rifle and keep in mind. He is both special forces former susser forces member as well as a competitor shooter. He's a big fan of a class. Three low power variable optic but also with a piggybacked miniature red dot sight a class one optics so combining class three and class one and a lotta people over time who've done things like piggybacking offsetting miniature red dot sights with a class to a colleague as well. I think there's a lot to be said for doing this. You're gaining you're gaining the pluses of both formats and you're only expenses weight and of course the price so there's nothing wrong with doing that. I think it's a really really good solution. There has been some other ones out there. I think loophole had something called the devaux. Awhile ago that use a prison site and a red dot sight mashed together. So you didn't have to move your head whatsoever to look around and also never really caught on because the thing was really bulky but it was a really cool concept now what i would say. If i'm trying to make this simple for everything boils down to this. If you're priority zero to one hundred yards and you really care about speed go for a class one. Get the red dot sight. Get that prism site but stick to that no man to vacation make it fast. If you're really thinking about fifty four hundred yards and you're being very weight conscious. I think a class to low power fixed mounted is the ticket. I know people argue with me on this because there's a lot of really good variable options out there. That's why i'm saying if your priority is wait now if you're less concerned about weight and you still want that kind of performance thing low-power variable all day. I think it's a worthy trade off from most people to go for that low power. Variable which gives you that capability from zero to five hundred and beyond. Also if you liked having adjustable target turrets and la la all that stuff as soon as you start talking mid to long range precision or competition use like that now we're into class for and lastly if you won the lottery and you wanna be an angel investor in new technology shirk up to class five digital upticks now. These rules are not laws. That are not hard and fast. Don't take them as the truth. given time. you're going to find that everything has compromised. Everybody has their own twists and preferences and the key is you just have to get out there and know what you need. And if you don't know what you need don't feel in a rush to spend the money keep it simple shoot. I know how you want to use the rifle and then when you have a better idea go spend the money all right. Thank you for sticking around. I know this was a study. Longer episode for a solo Let me know if you liked it. I don't typically do these audio versions of my own articles This is pretty much what i did. I have an article about this very topic on the website already. And i'm going to share link to that article in the show this episode and i'm also going to embed this episode in that article to kind of give an audio version of it so you like it not like it. Let me know it was quite a bit more off the cuff so by the website everyday marksman dot co and. Check it out and while you are there. Could you do me a favor. The best way. I had to communicate with people is via email. I would love to get a hold of your email address and in return i promise i will not spam you. I hate email spam but email really is the best way for me to let you know what's going on with the website new articles. New podcast episodes deals that come up. I only post to episode or two articles a week. I send out a weekly email just as a digest of articles have gone up so you don't get every message that comes up and from time to time but typically about once a month i like to send a newsletter with some community news some thoughts and insights about. What's going on that is it. There's subscribed buttons all over the website. It's come by hit subscribe. I would love to see you or the community. That is it for me until next time. This is matt.

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Rookie Of The Year. Week Nine NFL Picks. The New York Jets Are Plain Awful.

One and Dunne Radio

24:04 min | 1 year ago

Rookie Of The Year. Week Nine NFL Picks. The New York Jets Are Plain Awful.

"Welcome into one and done radio. However, you listening to the show iTunes Spotify. IHeartRadio Amazon music Pandora, wherever thanks for making one and done radio a part of your day. Lots of goes on in this episode open the show off talking about the Rookie of the Year candidate for the NFL and then I get my week 9 picks and finally I closed the show talking about the fact is more terrible hard to look at New York Jets all that on the show. Let's go. So I want to open the show talking about a debate talking about choosing which one is better, right the better option making a case for why you should vote for this person over that person. I just want to make sure we all understand where I'm coming from when I talk about this and that's just talking about the Rookie of the Year that you thought I was going to talk about the election. Didn't you now? I do that on this show. But hey, if you thought we did. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. But yeah, we just don't do that on this show. So I won't tell the Rookie of the Year actually posted a poll on a Twitter just to see people's ideas of so, I posted a poll saying I think it seems like right now I think we all can agree that right. Now the Rookie of the Year is kind of coming down to Jonesboro or Justin Herbert just because of the fact that I feel like a lot of times it's usually a quarterback. I think Clyde edwards-helaire was going to be another candidate off and by the way, it's it's usually just offense but you know, you heard me, Bob Ryan last week saying that well, you just just offense can't think my defense right now. It's just there's not like guys defensive job. Like making that case for wow, he's playing outstanding. It just it just happened along the office because their stats and scoring that's how it is. So I want to kind of talk about the two quarterbacks but on Twitter I posted a poll. So I said half way through the season, who is your Rookie of the Year. And I put Joe burrow Justin Herbert or somebody else as a three options 71% of my followers chose, Justin Herbert 71 Then there was Twenty-One for Joe burrow and then just eight for somebody else. I wish that person or whoever it was who are the people whoever they put someone else tell me who that a person was. But that's their opinion again. I'd let them have their opinions and I thought about two I thought well, I'll find a really good. I mean when you think about he's actually playing really good. I'm not saying anything from Justin Herbert, but I've been in this mind like Joe burrow number one pick the Bengals have been in so many games. It's only been because of Joe burrow. But then I look at the stats and I know Justin Herbert did not play the first game this season, but let's start with Joe burrow and his stats right now, Joe burrow home and touchdowns and five interceptions. He's doing for twenty two hundred yards passing and I know he's ran the ball a few times as well. But at the end of the day, I think we all look at his passing stats. He's only run the ball 35 times 130 yards with three touchdowns. So he's he can run the ball. But so can Justin Herbert remember 11 touchdowns 5 pics twenty two hundred yards passing. Now let's go look and Justin Herbert stats. Justin Herbert 15 touchdowns five interceptions eighteen hundred yards passing. Very interesting mind. You doesn't Herbert played one less game. Then Joe burrow. So when you put that into play it looks like the guy that is right. Now the Rookie of the Year is Justin Herbert now when they were both coming out of college. Oh really did not think much of Justin Herbert. I'm not saying it's just when you looked at what Joe burrow did for LSU and I think we all can agree. He had the best season a quarterback could ever have for college ball foreign wants a question and just take a look. He won all the awards won. The Heisman undefeated set records Championship. Like what else do you want him to do to make your case of man? He had. All right. She's know he had the best season a quarterback could ever have in college football history, okay. But Justin Herbert never showed me like man this I mean, I know that you the year before he was looked at as a top like pick, but then he returned 4 or again. And we just never really saw like a rah-rah type of guy a guy that would just put a team on his back. You saw the physical traits you saw that, you know, he's a tall guy could run a strong arm you saw that but I think a lot of the experts and a lot of the analysts including maybe myself which I don't think even consider myself an analyst but I think a lot of them were looking at him and saying there's just something that we just doesn't pull me into him as taking him and he's a Chargers. I'm pretty sure that I've Justin Herbert with landed with a dolphin's the charges would have taken too long. I'm pretty sure of that. I think I don't have to charge you just had Justin Herbert other mind. I'm pretty sure they had whoever was there on their mind. But the Dolphins took her or to us use me and then charges got Herbert and it's paying off now granted. He was thrown into a situation where you know, he he was started to a weird situation and when Tyrod Taylor was out because his trainer team doctor whoever punctured his lung with a needle. I then now it's been his team ever since and his is good you might as well see what you have. And right now you have a franchise quarterback Justin Herbert again playing at an elite level. Now again, we've already talked about his passing touchdowns rhyme and up running the ball. He's only ran twenty eight times for 142 yards and two touchdowns. So these guys are not really like with these guys are not carrying the team run the ball. I think we can agree on that but they do have the ability to run they have some wheels and you kind of the game was kind of working towards that a little bit. I know you're still have guys like breeze and brave. They're not big-time Runners, but you can throw the ball, but you are starting to see like hey this guy at least have some Wheels as you can you move around a little bit not not asking him to be dead. You know like Lamar Jackson running the football but can't he leaves move around like Patrick Mahomes. I know he can run around too, but feel like the home is doesn't run around as much compared to the Mark Jackson. Can your future quarterback do that? I think are just starting to see that coming down the end of coming into the NFL like you looking at Justin fields and Trevor Lawrence and even trade Lance North Dakota State these three guys can actually run the football but I think their arm is their biggest strength I don't I'm just saying that because I think it's true. Like Justin Fields is having a frickin accurate season at Ohio State playing phenomenal like he has choice and seven touchdowns and 17 completions. Like that's just insane. I know it's only two games but that's just insane. So but he's still are effective Runner. He's not I don't think you need him to come into the NFL and carry the team running the football like you do see around maybe a couple of teams in the game. You just see that you got to be accurate. You gotta be able to carry team with your arm when it's needed. And again the Rookie of the Year. I really thought it was going to be Joe burrow. It's looking right now is going to turn into Justin Herber as long as he continues to be consistent with his play. All right, so let me go and give my week 9 predictions last week. I finished with a record of nine and five which brought my overall record to 7130 and one so I want to let's just go right off the bat and get things started. So first off Packers versus the 49ers on Thursday night. I am going to go to the Packers in this one. I think the 49ers now missing Garoppolo and going to miss George Kittle. You will see that affect nothing and Nick Foles can't get it done but George Kittle on the offense as well as such a big weapon and you can use them in so many ways. So I'm just going to go with Green Bay Packers game. Take this one. Now. If the San Francisco 49ers run the ball like they did in the NFC championship game last year. Then we're talking a whole different ball game, but I am still unable to take the Green Bay Packers in this game. Probably my pick for game of the week or actually one of the games the week, but I want to go with this one Ravens versus the Colts. Now. I am actually going to take the Colts and I know people can say will you rooting for them as your team? Listen, I want to say this the Ravens have the S. They want the two losses are to the Steelers into the Chiefs. I get that. However, they're not going to have Patrick. We need actually had just recently tested positive or is being paid place in the Cobra protocol thing that the NFL has Coulter have a lot of momentum going off. Philip Rivers is throwing the ball pretty effectively right now. Defense is playing great. I think they do enough to hold them are Jackson and check the I think they figure out what they need to do to make sure that they keep Lamar Jackson from being with his legs throughout the game and try and make him beat him make them beat them with his arm. So I'm going to take a Colts and this one close very close game, but I'm going to take the Colts to win this game Broncos versus the Falcons. I am actually going to go with the Broncos in this one. I think Drew lock showed a lot last week in the second half and I think that momentum can carry over to the Atlanta Falcons and I think the Broncos take this one Seahawks versus the bills again another game of the week. I want to go with a Seahawks and this one the bills have shown they don't do well so far against it really tough opponent. Seahawks are playing as good jobs are playing as good as anybody right now. I'm going to go the Seahawks again MVP Russell Wilson with that defense DK Metcalf. I'm going to go take Russell Wilson and the Seahawks Bears versus the Titans. I'm going to go with the Titans bears do have a great defense, but I think the tires find a way to run the ball effectively against the Bears it is going to be in Tennessee. Not that it really matters because I mean, there's no fan noise or anything. So whatever. I'm still going to take the Tennessee Titans Panthers versus the cheese. I'm going to the Chiefs. I think this is just a clear-cut choice the chance to seem like to be my clear-cut choice for the most part every week except for the week. And I chose a Ravens to beat the Chiefs and then off to well the overall the Chiefs. I think they're going to be fine against the Carolina Panthers at Kansas City Lions versus the Vikings. This is a tough choice, but I'm I'm going to take the Viking. I think the Vikings actually had a great win Dalvin cook went off last week scored all four of the touchdowns for the Minnesota Vikings. I'm not saying that Detroit's Run Deep In thoughts bad. I do think Darwin code does have a good game in this one as well. I think Kirk Cousins plays well enough to get the win for the Minnesota Vikings against the Detroit Lions Giants versus wage, Washington. I shoot. I want to go with Washington this one last game the Giants won by a point washed and went for two didn't get it off. I think Kyle Allen is going to play better this game. They did it last game. I think Washington gets the win close game. I get a Giants to have been in very close games. Like the very long lost Tampa Bay on the two-point conversion. That wasn't good. It just seems like the Giants are very close to getting over that that hurdle but I think Washington has something going for them right now something to Washington in this game Texans versus the Jaguars. Jeeze what it's so sadly these two teams I get people like we're not picking Jacksonville to do anything this year I get that but this is why I was really against Houston and you see why they're 1-6. I know a lot of those Bill O'Brien but there one in six, but I'm going to take Houston in this game to go to Jackson. I think they take care of business for the most part the Sean Watson anything has a great game now that they kept will follow they did not trade will Fuller to the Packers which all the rumors were talking dead. Probably going to happen. I think that they I think that okay. I'm here him in the Sean Watson have a good game together. And I think like the the Houston Texans to take that game Raiders versus the Chargers. I'm going to go to the charges in this one. Another razors are coming off a good win against Cleveland last week. However, I'm going to take the Chargers. I think that Justin Herbert and the Chargers I know find ways to lose track it down Atlanta Falcons do I get that but I just think that the Chargers are right there. Justin Herbert is played outstanding this year. And again. Did we think about it? When his first start happened? He was pretty much told like he was told the day of like minutes or I think like an hour before the game started like you're going in And I told me how to tie rod Taylor are Trader messed them up. You're going to play and he's been playing fantastic ever since I'm good take the charges of this one. I think Justin Herbert gets another win. I think they continue to work on him and his development move forward Steelers versus the Cowboys right now. Let me know who the Cowboys quarterbacks going to be off yet into Nucci Garrett Gilbert Cooper rush because Andy Dalton's now out with the Coen list thing. So I mean plus it's the Cowboys in the defense of terrible and then perhaps dealers. There's no doubt of the Steelers in this one pretty big but to be interesting to see who goes under Center, but I don't think it's going to be David to new G. I think last week against the Eagles you saw that the Jews were not confident in him. You saw that they just raised screens all the time everything. It was just it was just terrible and next Dolphins versus wage. Cardinals I'm going to take the Cardinals in this one. I like what the Cardinals have going for them this year offensively. They look really good defense is starting to come around a little bit. They are against God and this team actually could be like the NFC east or west. Excuse me. I don't see what could be a division that no one talks about where possibly all the way to make the playoffs like that division. Is that good now any of those teams were in the NFC East they'd be dominating. Let's just get that straight, but they are in the NFC West Palm Rams Seahawks Niners and the Cardinals in every team there could probably make the playoffs as it's weird thing, but it could probably happen. Then Saints vs Buccaneers another matchup of the week Buccaneers get Antonio Brown Don't Know The Icarus guy went back. But I do know they have Antonio Brown's activated. He will play against the Saints. Mike Evans is going to be there as well with Tom Brady. I am going to take the Buccaneers in this game. I do like them over easy science listening people want to talk about all the week one happen. I get the week one happened, but that team wasn't where they are. Now like that team wasn't in in midseason form the same word midseason form because of what they had continuity. I like the Buccaneers to get the win against New Orleans Saints and I know they struggled against the Giants I get that but the Giants like every team has a hurdle. This is just remember that every team has those little games where they play at team that they're supposed to be and they just struggle a little bit. It just happens. Okay, but I do like the Buccaneers Take this game against the Saints last Jets versus the Patriots. What a Monday night matchup. I'm going to go with the Patriots. I just think it's just the Patriots are playing bad Cam Newton's been playing bad. If you'll get a status like his last five games just aren't to touch that he's placed on two touchdowns and seven interceptions. Like I just don't know what else you want from him. Like he's even said that he's in danger of losing the existing gig like you just happens. He's don't it's just happens. So I'm going to go over the Patriots in this one jets are just a terrible team, but I just think the Patriots at least can handle the Jets out and get the win. I want to close the show talking about the New York Jets situation. I know we talked about the how funny it is like how sad it is. And what about the GM Joe Bob says, he takes his fair share of the blame for the judge situation. So let's talk about this really quick. The Jets obviously had not want to gain this shoe. The Jets are a laughing laughing stock of the NFL right now. They are terrible They Don't Really compete in a lot of games. They looked inept on both sides of the football their head coach just relinquished play-calling duties to waste ago and nothing's changing obviously wasn't working before you were calling to play now before when you wouldn't calling players and now you're not calling the plays and it's nothing's working. Nothing's working. Okay, and then you have yourself a players don't like you. And I get that as an owner slash GM you want to make sure that everyone's on the same page and Hey listen, this is our guy you have to respect him no matter what but it's kind of hard to respect somebody else. That doesn't get it Adam gase. Does it have an amazing coaching record? I don't think I don't know why it won't like gets that Todd Bowles actually could connect with his players. It seems like a lot more than Adam gase ever will. I don't know where Adam Gates is coming from as far as the future coach like there's no way this guy should ever be brought back to coach as far as a head coach anywhere maybe in not even College like maybe in high school like I don't even know if I want to get recruited by this dude like high school, maybe but not college. No way. I couldn't I couldn't play for the guy. Maybe it has like a coordinator position coach maybe in college, but not a head coach and no chance. So with the GM to come out and say he's taking his fair share. Is it because you trade away Jamal Adams because he didn't agree with your head the head coach and he pretty much did not call them out on the head coach thing in the first place. Is that why is it because of the fact that you got rid of Le'Veon Bell You released him. You didn't even try a train them. You just release them done, maybe because no one wanted to trade for him or you guys didn't want like I'm just saying this right now, but I I you know, when you play Madden, okay, like I I play Madden, I think we all a lot of people that don't play Madden who cares but if there's somebody on your roster that you don't like I know you can probably trade them away and get a pick or something now. I don't know that happened. I don't know there's teams coming out and say I won't even give you like a seventh-round pick for the guy. I don't know if that happened. I know if that's the case, but if that did it if that did wrong. Okay, I get it. But that didn't happen that you couldn't find anybody just to take him just for a pic like maybe that seventh-round pick becomes your next future quarterback. I don't know even though they're probably gonna be bad enough to get a Lawrence but that's a whole nother discussion as well because the GM came out and said that Sam darnold is the future of the team now is the is Joe the gym the future of the Jets, who knows at this point. They probably let him go with Adam gase by the end of the season bring in Trevor Lawrence, maybe bringing a good head coach maybe at Jim Harbaugh, maybe a Dabo Swinney. I don't know. I doubt to have a sweetie will leave Clemson. I doubt his style of work in the NFL. I think he was just mainly worked for kids off. So College seems a little better for him. But that's where we're looking at right now. We're looking at that scenario like so we're saying that now same Dom is the future if he's not the future then you got give birth. At the end of season you got find someone that will take him now teams that have been linked to getting Sam darnold. I maybe even the Falcons maybe the Colts. Those are a couple teams that have been linked or even the Browns. Those are some teams that have been linked to try to upgrade their quarterback position by getting a Sam darnold now as a Colts fan, I really don't know if I want Sam darnold, but I thought I'd be open to see what he could do. I just don't want to give up too much for him. If that makes sense. Like we're not going to get a high pick to get a good quarterback. We do have Jacob Eason waiting in the wings and maybe they can both compete for the starting gig as long as you don't give up too much to give Sam darnold in the first place now, he's still in his rookie contract to so with that. He actually doesn't even need to go get a big-time country and you can still build around the guy. But with the Jets they are a laughingstock as I talked about Bob Ryan a weatherman is one of the few jobs out there that they can always be wrong and still have that job. I feel like Adam gase is proving that narrative. He can always be wrong every week and still have a job. Now. Are they tanking for Trevor? I don't know. There's those reports coming down as well saying that they are tanking for a terrible, but for a terrible a top, excuse me, and their tank and trying to be terrible to get that top Pig so they get Trevor Lawrence Justin Fields, whoever else but at the end of the day, For the g n to come out and say it's my fair I take my fair share. Yeah, you're right. You are part of a reason why this jets are terrible. Now you're trying to trade everybody away. Luckily. The trade deadline has passed now, you're stuck with these dudes. And that's it. Now you got to deal with this team for another eight weeks. Yeah, eight weeks eight nine weeks. I don't know. How many is left you got to deal with them because you ain't going into the playoffs. So just accept that everyone already has accepted that but for any team lose to this team this year just realize you're losing to a team. That's pretty terrible that will do it for Days episode of one-and-done radio. Thanks for tuning to the show and be sure to subscribe to one done radio on iTunes follow-on & Dunn radio on Twitter at 1 done radio subscribe to one done radio on YouTube as well as Spotify an Equus, as facts opinions, whatever might be can be emailed to Ryan done. The number one yahoo.com.

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268. Storytelling para podcasts: cmo contar historias que enganchen? en @cyberclicknet

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07:12 min | 11 months ago

268. Storytelling para podcasts: cmo contar historias que enganchen? en @cyberclicknet

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November 23  Hour 2  Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos | Clark Johnson of Preps Radio

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38:38 min | 11 months ago

November 23 Hour 2 Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos | Clark Johnson of Preps Radio

"Second and final. Monday's edition of the whole show. Rock and enroll in here to start us off this hour. Zak stevens our broncos insider from. Dnv are broncos. and zack. Well though the broncos found a way to get it done man it was a this game had a lot of intrigue. We saw some really rough spots from drew. Lock to begin with but rounded out for a nice game. That defense came up with big plays. They were running all over the place. This is how. I think broncos country really thought they. This is what they thought they'd see throughout most of the year. You're exactly right. Brady in in great talking to you today and pictures exactly how john elway built this team. It was with a great defense with the defensive minded head coach where they could shut down teams with a running game with two proble running backs. Both of them almost combined for two hundred yards. And then you have the young quarterback who's not asked to do too much at all drew lock with a game manager after that first interception and you know what he did a darn good job. Managing the game. After that first interception he of course started for six with an interception not ideal at all but then he turned around and went eighteen for twenty four for two hundred and seventy yards. Of course if you take away that last Throw up that. He got sixty one yards on. He still had over two hundred yards the ultimate game manager. And you know what. That's how you win with a young quarterback and that's how you don't ask them to do too much when you're able to run for almost two hundred yards on the ground you it over six an interception. It was feeling exactly like the last few weeks. Drew lock broncos country was ready to you know maybe the next series you're even wondering does denver consider bright ripping at some point. Or do they just let this thing fall through. What's going to happen here. But i gotta tell you all the stuff that drew lock we. We've we've been pretty aggressively. The last four weeks to come back from that. Might be more admirable than if he would just started it off great and had a nice game throughout. Because a lot of quarterbacks in that situation almost almost done you know and so drew lock finding a way to to make this a positive game. I mean that says a lot about this young guy it really does a and it speaks to a lot of people see his confident but it speaks that he is able to bounce back and his resilient because he was sitting on five interceptions in just over four quarters after he threw that pick in the first quarter he could have easily crumbled but instead he bounces back as a solid performance and it wasn't just the interception that he had the broncos on the next drive go three and out and then on the next drive their third possession of the broncos have one total yards be when they're sitting on their third possession at third and ten one total yards of offense and drew lock has the same number of interception as the broncos. Do offense yard. I think that third down completion on third and ten decay. j. hamblur in the middle of the field was honestly to play the game. For the broncos outside of justice interception that jumpstarted them and then later that drive the broncos had back to back fall starts and that was just typical of the broncos often. But what's been typical of the broncos. Offense is they have not been able to overcome those false starts. Drew lock is able to scramble for fourteen on third and thirteen to pick that up so she that drive so big for him. And so big for the broncos offense because then they weren't able to then they were able to avoid a big time deficit and the broncos were able to stick with the ground game where you had. Thirty one combined carries for phil and melvin. And that's the formula for denver. Zack were on the exact same page. Man that caja handler third-down reception when it felt like everything was still going south. This broncos defense is playing well but how long can they mentally hold up to this. Three an out interceptions. All that cage handler gets the key third down. I'm i'm lovin k. j. Jerry jeudy i know. He's the flashy one he gets a lot. More of the press. But k j just seems like a sound player economize eddie royal back win that that i hear so just just really reliable and gonna pick up first downs for you but drew lock. We talked about a four game. Stint starting with the chargers. Game going into the falcons raiders. As dolphins game. We force games was going to tell us a lot about drew. Lock de are we back where we started. We learn that much about drew because he had some bad moments. But it's really good ones too. Yeah he did you know what if he turns out to be a success by the end of the season. And he's the broncos starting quarterback in two thousand twenty one. We'll say what we learned from. These four games was resilient and just the mental toughness that he has in the broncos belief in him now if he doesn't turn onto success in the final six games. Then you'll point back and say well. Yeah he was throwing interceptions left and right and only really produced in the fourth quarter of those two games but it wasn't just the resilience of yesterday. It was a resilient bouncing back from a foreigner perception game leading his team to victory as they were underdogs this past week and it was also the resilience in those chargers. Games in falcons games where he has three real bad quarters in both of those games and then came out and had it really good fourth-quarter so unfortunately brady like both thought we. We thought we would know a lot. More right now but you know we have six games to figure it out and the key for drew is going to be continuing to improve every single week. Now it may be baby steps like it was yesterday But if we continue to see that improvement then we're going to say okay. Drew drew how to a big time rough spot but he was able to overcome that. And the broncos going to feel comfortable going going into twenty twenty one with him as their quarterback but we need to continue to see those steps. We're talking to zach stevens from denver. Broncos this was maybe the first game and it could be missing a game or or two that. This was the first game i felt. Like the broncos were playing to what their identities should be. Tim patrick had a nice game. Noah fant had a nice game but none of them were getting nine ten receptions right it's spread out you're utilizing your tight end game. You're running the ball. You ran it for what. Thirty thirty one carries between lindsay and gordon. They ran it well. You're playing great defense. Drew lock not forced to do anything too crazy. This to me feels like what this identity should be all about absolutely and not only was the ground game working but then it opened up everything for drew lock. The play action was successful. The one play. They ran out of the pistol where where he gave the play. Fake it brought the linebackers up because they had to commit to the run and that opened up a huge space for drew a to throw into the middle of the field. Ten patrick those things are exactly what this offense is meant for and drew lock it. He dropped back to pass thirty one times. And the broncos ran the ball thirty two times. That is the balance that this team is looking for. And as vic fangio's today it was a successful balance and that's exactly what this team was designed for. It's so nice when it works that way. And i know it's not always as easy as just saying. Oh you got to run the ball more but you know the first few carries ac. I think it would fill. They weren't great. I mean the first few carries it looked like more of the same from last week but the difference was it seemed like pat. Shurmur stay dedicated to the run. I know drew lock. Loosen it up a little bit with that. Nice third down conversion to caja hamler but they kept this miami dolphins defense kind of bend but don't break defense a decent defensive the last few weeks anyway. They stayed consistent. They stay dedicated to that. Run game and to me. That was that was ultimately the difference maker with this offense defensively. It was great but that was the difference maker. You know in the past few weeks. We've seen pat shurmur. Treat the running game kinda like the deep ball. He throws it a couple of times doesn't work and then you say okay. Well that's kind of a shot that take them. We didn't hit it so we're just going to be done with that for the day. What are you can't do that with the running game and so you know what this game. You're absolutely right. Those first three drives were not pretty. When the broncos ran the ball one yard on the first On the first beginning of the first three possessions and pat shurmur stuck with it. He's ever going to keep trying this and then look what happened. Both of your running backs average over five yards per carry. They both break runs of twenty plus yards. It's not always going to be pretty but when you're when you're stopped for one yard no yards regardless of the running back is you gotta keep going back to them. And this balance. That he found between. Melvin gordon phillip. Lindsay is exactly what john wanted. I know broncos fans especially people in colorado are going to want phillip lindsay. Get thirty touches a game. That's never to happen. But what is realistic. Is melvin gordon and phillip. Lindsay combining for thirty carries a game. Exactly what we saw yesterday. Sixteen for fill. fifteen for. Melvin gordon and melvin. Had a terrible fumble. Y- you can't discount that. But man did he look good. He was having the best game of his career with the broncos until that last fumble on broncos twitter and zack. You're seeing about. Melvin gordon and the fumble that to me i know it could be could have been costly right. Dolphins could have went down. Scored i think. Melvin gordon owes justin simmons a donut or something that was a fumble. That was such an amazing run that he had. There's he had no business getting out of that first three yards. It was an amazing run. Is that one that you. You've you've followed a lot of games closely that one where you look at and say man. It's kinda hard to fault him. There he was busted like five six tackles on that run. Yeah it was a beast mode type run. And what doesn't help is that. Phillip lindsay is in town but the guy that everyone loves that is feel disrespected. And also lindy's guy that has never fumbled and his career. With the broncos and melvin now has four fumbles on the season so that's just always that's just a hot button for broncos fan day. It's going to hit them any time. But also you know you have drew locks interception. The multiple players made made mistakes in this game. But it's when it's melvin gordon compared to phillip lindsay. That is always going to be blown up. You're right outside of that. He had a fantastic game. He had the broncos only two touchdowns which i think a lot of people that like to bash on him. Don't point out as well which is only fair to point out. There were nice runs to. I mean again. I don't wanna take waste any thing away from this offensive line. I coach and i was pushing people around garrett bowles man i mean he is. I think he's earning back. Some trust every single game and that was fun to watch. That offensive line was moving around. But melvin gordon. I felt like was finding the lanes better than maybe. I've seen him do all season. Yeah and it wasn't just that the broncos ran the ball it's how they ran it. I mean we all love seeing garrett bowles go from the left tackle position all the way around the right tackle to just destroy and bulldoze players as the players said after the game you love the bulls on the movie luxy and rising are on the move probably his best game and then austin schloffmans comes in for graham glasgow. Who was a little banged up at the end of the game and you don't even realize there. He plays so well and credit to lloyd cushenberry because he has struggled a lot this season but vic fangio says he gets better and better every single week. And it's it's baby steps for for him and you know that that's kind of how i classified drew. Lock game i. It's just a baby step and it doesn't have to be a huge step for this team and these players on offense every single week. That's unrealistic to expect. What you need is just everyone to continue to get better. These remaining six games and then the broncos will have a promising off going into the offseason. We're talking to zach stevens of. Dnv are broncos are. We haven't even touched the defensive side they gave up thirteen. In one of those touchdowns was was a crazy interception by drew lock ultimately miami converted later on without the stars anyway. You're so banged up there. You only allow fifty six yards you. You're getting after two. You had six sacks in this game obviously the big interception simmons should have had two interceptions but aj boy a strange defense pass interference call their talk to us about this defenseman. They were making plays alexander. Johnson is hitting people in the mouth. Me read is all over the place. Obviously bryce callahan. Playing great chubb was he got a sack. I mean this is one of those excellent performances by denver defense. It really was. It was incredible. They were great against the the past. They were great against the run. They turn the ball over. And you're right drew. Lock doesn't throw that touchdown or that interception. That set up the easy touchdown for the dolphins. Lebron broncos very well may not give up a touchdown in this game hold the dolphin under T digit points and this was adult team under two. That was averaging over thirty points per game since he came in and the past three games and they made to a look uncomfortable all game and that's something that is not easy to do because two of is tested. He's been tested before he came in the nfl and he looked cool and his first three games in the nfl and they made him look like a completely different quarterback they got him benched for ryan fitzpatrick after the game brian flores that it was not due to injury why tool was taken out. They just needed something else on offense because of how good the broncos defense was and brady said it what's incredible about it is they are dealing with their entire backup defensive line and they were still able to get six sacks onto a vic credit credit to vic fangio and pat shurmur in this game And on the defensive side vic fangio was not afraid to bring pressure and win. They brought pressure to just couldn't do anything in the game. In the first half every time vic fangio rock crusher to a didn't have a single completion so just credit to victory call and a good game and then the defense getting after him from the name bradley. Chubb having us actor sean williams having two sacks demarcus walker getting in there on one and then maliki remand man. Does he looked good one and a half sacks for him on the day he he is really stepping up this year. So what was it with. You talked about it on friday. You said hey denver you gotta go all out man. Put some pressure on the sky. He ended the day. Eleven for twenty eighty three yards a touchdown then he gets pulled. It was it. The knee was it. They just you know they they. He wasn't getting anything done or was it a combination of the two. Have you heard anything about him. Going forward For next weekend. Yeah we'll brian flores. After the game said that It was not injury related. Now would have been the easiest thing for brian. Florez to say. Even if it wasn't actually injury related he could. He could have given that excuse to then put him back out there this week but he did not give him that excuse. O'brien floor is going with the tough love treatment there for two and of course. Fitzpatrick came in And broncos playing a little bit more of a prevent defense not a full prevent defense and they did not bliss. Patrick and fitzpatrick had a lot. More success than. Yeah if it's bad almost fits magic. Justin statements comes up with the pig. All right so i gotta ask you. This are our power to play sports. Poll question zach. I wanted to get your thoughts. We're playing the hypothetical game. If you could only sign one of these guys to a long term deal justin simmons garrett bowles phillip lindsay all controversial. Kind of right. I mean as far as how they've been treated or how they played. Which one would you pick. Man this is. This is so tough. If it's only one. I think this is crazy. I think you gotta go garrett bowles you have had problems on the offensive line for so long. You finally found your left tackle. You can't let him walk. And people would probably say well justice in inside the game winning interception and and i think he should sign justin simmons as well. I think that's important to say but vic fangio throughout his career has had a lot of success getting a lot more play out of safeties that he finds so can he come and find the next justice. maybe not. Maybe you're not talking about one of the best eighties in the nfl. But he can find an average safety and make them good. You keep cream jackson around here. And then phillip lindsay The broncos have not showed him love in terms of a contract. I i don't think that they're going to turn around and show him a ton of love and then running backs are also an easier position to replace at a cheaper cost so in your mind zach of those three guys. Yeah it's possible you could see garrett justin but the idea of all three of them is that. Is that realistic anymore. Yeah it is realistic. Because you do have Philip under control through next year being a restricted free agent. So those guys could be all under control for for a while. Still after this year was going to be interesting as you have to decide. Who are you franchise tagging. Are you franchise justin sym- for a second straight year in his price tag. Goes up twenty percent or are you franchise tagging garrett bowles and whoever you don't get done then you're trying to work out a long term deal with the other one and they're both going to want to be paid Like the top of their position in both of those positions you know going for fifteen to twenty million dollars in safety and left tackle respectively. And then so you do by yourself. A little bit of time with phil is he is he can be back for around three or four million next year It'll be interesting. Zac appreciate you man. I don't even feel like we covered half of it but we got through a lot Zach what he work force that we can check out a dvr broncos alamance seeing how the broncos are going to go up against the saints this coming week because of course tastes them. Hell what an interesting experience -ment experiment they have going on there And just how. The broncos matchup became. Hey broncos get another win and they're going into kansas city in two weeks with a chance to go six and six that would be fun so Covid break down. Everything about taste helen. How the broncos attack. I'll look forward to a man zack. Always appreciate you. Break it down for us. And we're gonna be off friday so i'm off thursday friday so we'll look to catch up with the next monday right on man. That sounds great. Enjoy thanksgiving you to my friend. Happy thanksgiving be safe and We'll talk to you soon. That's zak stevens. Dvr broncos excellent guy twenty four minutes after the hour before we break here. Listen i it crazy times for everybody. Windsor mill tavern is a local establishment. That has been there with you since day. One do me a favor order. You know. I know what the all the rules and regulations are just yet with some of these restaurants throughout weld county. I'm not going there. But windsor mill tavern is a local business that we absolutely love. 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We'll be right back. it's a party. Northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Block party wednesdays from four to ten. Pm no cone now. Weekdays at four northern colorado's voice thirteen. Ten k of k. This is brian. How colorado buffaloes beat writer for the buffs zone and. You're listening to the whole show thirteen ten. Kfi failed twenty nine minutes after the hour. Moving and shake in here on. Monday's edition of the whole show. Got a busy show. So i'll be back tomorrow. I'll be on air. Wednesday colfax and i will be off thursday and friday. So enjoy your thanksgiving. We're going to put together some obviously. Nfl games all day thursday and maybe a college game. Friday friday morning around nine thirty at ten. Carry over into the whole show so excited about that. Joining me in studio are auto collision special studio clark. Johnson of preps radio man. Clark let me just say this i do. We have a big one coming up on saturday here on thirteen. Ten k of k. a. It's going to be a huge weekend for us. But resurrection christian and eaten will be going at it absolutely one of the biggest match ups we've had in a long time out here and now both of these teams just one game away from getting to the finals. And boy you look at it on paper and say rest christian. Probably the favorite here. But i don't know hold your horses. Eat and got a huge win. They were the only one really that had to go on the road of the teams that we follow out here and they went all the way to pagosa springs. And just repeat them. Forty one to seven. I picked that. By the way that i will not. But i said they will blow us and they will school them and sold it so that okay. Eating scores forty points against Pagosa springs resurrection. Kristen finally gave up a point. They just a safety. the they gave up to scores. And okay all right a little bit more gave fourteen You expect to that in the playoffs to fourteen. I think that was the final. They they the first touchdown they gave up was a a snap that the defense for the other team at a scoop and score. So that's not against your own and that's just one of the other one that gave up was when they had twos in late in the game so quite frankly the The one the number one says doesn't really feel like a scores put on them. But do you think changes over the weekend. This is way far and away the best team they will played all year. No doubt about it Reds are tough ethan. Flora's the kiddo. That was out one of the many that were out the final regular season game for eton against platte valley when platte valley went over there and won all. He does come back. Come back to this game here. In twenty one yards and three rushing touchdowns so scott agreeable was terrific hundred and twenty six yards. Passing with a touchdown. Eighty four yards rushing with a touchdown so they look great. If they have their full contingent this game end eaten res- christian and eaten is going to be one of the best games you could imagine how b twelve thirty pregame. One o'clock kick-off here on thirteen ten. Kfi and immediately following your game. Assuming i'm not. I'm not trying to get ahead of myself but assuming you see winds on friday. Our first unc. Men's basketball game. We'll be friday at three. Assuming they win. They'll play immediately after that game in that tournament in kansas city. Yeah we'll We'll get the people. Let them know during our broadcast taste. Stick around and and get to that. Unc basketball game. Jeff smiley and company. Nasty steve smiley wyoming gets okay. There new. i'd go there. You mixed them it. It happens both of those guys. So i tried to. I think it's going to be a lot of basketball in the area. A lot of great football. I'm excited for it. How about roosevelt kicking the game winning field goal. That doesn't happen a whole heck of a lot in high school football side of things but a game winning field goal in the final moments in fact. Yeah with two seconds to go while drove all the not very often but this was called bracken sawyer. Their their kicker terrific kicker fort. Morgan though against the one seed roosevelt. The eighth seed against the one for gets the lead with two minutes left. Misses the extra point or as long sixteen fourteen. Lead roosevelt goes the length of the field. And the on the last play the ball game reconciler knocks it through seventeen. Sixteen but a crazy with how you get there you know. Just gotta get there move onto the next round. That's all you can do take on south at home in johnstown. One o'clock on saturday. Public south is the foresee got through because meade went kovic and didn't play that opening your eye forfeit so So yeah lane washing or steam. Now just one one win away from going down and joining us for a wonderful trip to blow coming up. Yeah it's going to be intense right. You're guaranteed to have at least one nine on championship guaranteed. Two o'clock a week from saturday will be down in that first week for saturday in december will be down in pablo for the to a championship. Either res- or eaten taking on either delta or lamar lamar. Another team in mind. Kind of my neck of the woods. Loveland nails down a semi-final berth defense. Coming up big for them over broomfield twenty eight to seven. Yeah that was close. Great always great matchup with love broomfield. We had it friday. Night and seven seven ballgame. Broomfield is is looking like they're going to score. Take the lead late third quarter that cough it up on the five yard line and roosevelt takes over. They go ninety five yards score touchdown to take the lead. Come with a pick six on the next series to take a twenty one seven lead. They get another pick and the guy goes to the one. Almost scored To add to pick six late in the game but what was the seven seven game after three. Twenty eight seven four for loveland. It somehow sometimes goes like that close game can turn into You know a lopsided score quickly Want to know too for folks starting on monday. You're switching gears just like that and listen. We don't know exactly what's going to happen with high school basketball just yet as of right now. It's go january fourth starting but we're going to put together a thirteen days. Thirteen teams regardless. We're going to hear from the coaches and players. We do training camp coverage now for as many teams as we possibly can Either way it's great to catch up with us coaches and players because the season might be pushed a month who knows But as of right now january fourth is tipped off so thirteen days. Thirteen teams hoops edition presented by quality while on pump starts on monday this coming monday absolutely so we'll get that scheduled for on the website or soon on the facebook page as well so hold tight for that. We'll get it to you but football wise. I just wanted to say hats off to the platte valley bronco players. They had sixteen players out due to covid this this past weekend and delta kinda beat him up but They tried hard and they had a great season and they're always good to us so Way to go. Bali i mean. At least they showed up. They could afford the game. They didn't do it. So hats off to troy hopping and company and hats off to cheyenne wells. How about this didn't somebody. I know they have a billboard up of me somewhere. They don't install billboards there so grandma one. They had a like the varsity varsity blues coach. Yeah just the statue of kilmer. Yes it's more of a scarecrow that my grandma just pasted a picture of my face to and she has to go out and sneak out and do that every every night but yes well. My dad's my dad. Of course we're getting together this week and He's going to head back. Sheinwald stratton liberty. back in. My day was just stratton but liberty had to join forces you know. They're getting out freeman football. They're going to have to go to three one on one on one football which i think would be highly entertaining up so we used to play that my front yard. I think it's great. I think it'd be great. see big weekend for you clark. I'm excited about it. What do we perhaps mid week. This week wednesday. We're yeah we're both jeff van winkle the head football coach at res- and Jeff zach lemon from eaton on the program so the ufc prefight when those two guys. I asked. I talked to talk to jeff winkle today and i said yeah you're probably not talking to zach lemon right now because you're getting ready to face because clark we were texting so maybe you could ask for one of the pick up their close to face. I just hope that we get there. And that's what you have to wait for now is is what's going to happen with covid during the week here for quarantining Kids i just clear to hate to get to one of these games and one team not be prepared so no question about it doing great sponsor of the segment each and every week absolutely well community credit union. Love what they do. They've got that new sogo app a so go there online and you can go. Google up While community credit union go online. Check it out. the go. App is a really cool thing because and it's great for the younger kids because they can learn about finances and learn about money while they make money so it's a pretty cool thing sogo app. Check it out weld community credit union. That's giulini eight and company over love what they do in our community and love the fact that they support our high school sports center high school students as great to get high school football back on the air this year. We didn't know for sure when or when if that was going to happen but made it happen somehow. So clark great job by you roll with punches every single week and just stay tuned. Keep it here to thirteen ten. Kfi am go to our website. Thirteen ten k dot com for constant updates on what's going on the preps world and i will tell everybody right now because there's a ton of people listening that care Championships friday and saturday. We will have at least a two championship on friday to as we said. And maybe we get a roosevelt on the championship. Saturday also could get a friday night game. If loveland gets to that championship game was well. All are still in the mix so cross your fingers but We'll we'll talk to you this weekend from eating dark. Appreciate a man great job. I'm looking forward to a big one this weekend this saturday. Thank you very all right. Thirty minutes after the hour. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash pure mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi hey it's andrew bogusch from cbs sports radio. You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten kfi k. A fresco painter south plaque in a free mini cooler. Just by calling them. Just call them telling you heard about here on the whole show. It's a free mini cooler and a free painting quote while you're at nine seven four one four forty one thirty one i events text line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six our power to play sports poll question of the day. This is an interesting one. Go to the whole show dot com to vote. But if you could only choose one. Which player would you sign to a long term deal justin simmons garrett bowles or phillip lindsay forty-one percent simmons but the surprise to me. Is ball's coming at thirty. Three percent. Lindsay's at twenty five percent. Now when you look at how much you're gonna have to pay these guys You know where do you go. The highest paid tackles in the. Nfl are twenty boxy area of of green. Bay's making twenty three twenty. Three million laremy tunsil at twenty two million. Then you go down to the second tier sixteen million. So you're you're going to have to shell out some dollars that's for sure wh- how much how much is that. Going to be ultimately bowls is probably gonna be more in the fifteen eighteen million dollars suddenly. That's what having a great season is to you. John elway sat down with your bowl. Say this is it essentially put shut up and here. He is so i mean. We can complain about away all day long but hiring mike month check and sticking it out with garrett bowles this year might look like a victory for who hasn't had many of these now residing might who knows. Is he going to give the broncos some kind of a discount after he was almost ran out of town here or is it the true overcoming adversity. This is what sports is all about. It's not hate it's hating. Sports drew lock. It's not criticism criticism and sports. It's not real life. We don't hate you your football player. Well if you do hate them outside of that just be if you actually have real hate. Harbored inside of them. Because melvin gordon. Fumbles that kind of stuff. Then you have issues right. It's it's sports. Hates different so probably going to give garrett bowles fifteen twenty million dollars how much is how much is the top safety going to get paid. I mean buddha bakers at fourteen point. Seven five you have some high paid safeties in the nfl. Kevin baird fourteen point one. I use a fourteen. So is you know that's kind of what we talked about with justin simmons. He's going to be fourteen sixteen million dollars and then phillip lindsay is going to be closer to the Sixty eight six to eight million. So it's not gonna get cheap christian. Mccaffrey is sixteen million dollars. So that's the those are the top tier guys is not going to touch that. But where's he going to be happy. Derrick henry at twelve five okay. He's not in that territory yet. He's not yet. i dunno. Melvin gordon eight million catholic territory. That's where you're looking because lindsay is going to look at while you're pay him eight. You're not gonna pay me the same or maybe a little more so go vote. That's at the whole show dot com. I wanna take this away ticks dixon. You're always raining on the parade man. There was raining on the parade. How tough is it being a bronco fan when you get excited about twenty points and start saying things like this is what it's supposed to look like i mean one yard away from it being twenty seven points. It makes feel any better dixon. This is what it's supposed to look like. This is what exactly what is supposed to look like. You want a tough defense top run game and you win. You win ballgames. Twenty twenty seven points. Melvin gordon was a yard away from scoring twenty seven points. I know brady didn't cow because it didn't go in a yard away though that's the idea and it's that's what it is. Twenty twenty. seven points is what you're expecting from this offense and defensively you're expecting whole teams below seventeen. That's where you are. So i mean you can say it's not listen. It's not kansas city. I get that and it and it won't be kansas city denver's building differently. And right now yeah. Kansas city's looks like the sexier pick. But we shall see i for one thing. Las vegas is just above average and the raiders whipped up denver broncos having proven to be average this season too many inconsistencies but when their head coaching staff runs what they're supposed to do run the ball thirty plus times. They should win a few more games. That's what i that's. Why predicted eleven and the schedule station have several more victories under their belt but i do believe coaching his cost them. And that's terrifying thing. I forty nine minutes after the hour. Colefax we'll take a short break. We'll wrap up the show. Talk more broncos dolphins tomorrow. We'll get to more of that. We'll get to way more in the nuggets side. We'll try to get chris dempsey lined up this whole show powered by energy. We'll be right back inside. The air's dang presented by christmas agency allstate insurance tuesday nights northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. a. Dan patrick the whole show and colin coward around northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. 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Defense total of five turnovers in this thirty seven to twelve. When where do we start. I mean there's so many good things that you just said. The raiders at five turnover turnaround. Let's get it get into those turnovers first of all jeff heat than his huge day. A main two picks on the day in the first half of the game. How huge was it for this defense to step up and create those turnovers against the denver. Broncos adam bassett and and you you look at where they happen to. I mean we see the final scores thirty seven twelve and it seems like a blowout really wasn't the case for most of the game and this tornado blow out in the fourth quarter and really the second half in general but you know jeff heath could say big interception the first half the first one was the third fourteen play probably not going away you point anyway but he does turn it into pretty good field position even other. The raiders capitalize on it But then the big one at the end of the half and let's not overlook the fact that the play before that drew lock had a walk in touchdown on a read option Jeff heath joy holding penalty and then there was called back. Move back ten yards. And the broncos still trying to punch it in and a ten six game where you score a touchdown right there. You have the lead going into halftime. You feel really good about yourself even kick a field goal. You're only down one there instead with no points. And it's so deflating. And jon gruden talked about that What they talk about often is you know end of the half beginning of the half and trying to get that. Double up there in the raiders. Really didn't get that necessarily but they got a stop and then a field goal coming out of halftime. And that's that's really what you're looking at. Start the half and half well They're able to do that there and That really to me was the point game or denver had a chance to stay in it. And to put some pressure on the raiders. And they weren't able to do so. And that jeff. He's interception at the end of the first half was maybe the biggest play the game. And you've done a lot of the season grades and the defense was part of that like focus for you as far as what needed improvement. You gave him to helmets. That wasn't a good score on the scale of one to five or five. It's not a good score to get so my old math scores based off of what you saw today. How many helmets. Which man today. It's a five helmet day in a review journal democracy in a by the name of defense for report card. Yeah look coming in. They had had. They had forced five turnovers. Today they forced five turnovers so in eight games. Five in one game five. So it's a great game by the defense Nevin lawson the strip That was turned into One later touchdown We've talked about the interceptions. What they did today was. And i wrote this. Report card is They supported the theory. Is you don't lose to a bad quarterback drew lock a really bad quarterback. In my opinion. I think olive our opinions than they did not allow him to come in here and win a game. We really shouldn't given the discrepancy of towel between the two teams so they were favored. They covered easily They're the better team now. They have to clean up bond stuff up. We'll get to some of it. I'm sure to. Kansas city comes in next on sunday night. Football a week from tonight but to be six and three two games out with kansas city. Coming in now you've created you've created distance between yourselves and the broncos chargers your solidly and second place all lean. What would be a wildcard spot right now. I don't think they could ask for much more at this point adam so you had the two sacks from those two players Max crosby nicholas monroe. Would you make of the pressure that they've been able to create up online or is it just may be playing the best quarterbacks like we said or is it. The defense is finally clicking a little bit of everything well first of all denver sticks. I mean that's that's a big takeaway especially drew lock. Drew lock which is awful today You know we talked earlier on the pre show about how inconsistent and how inaccurate you lock has been. That certainly showed up today And didn't really have much help upfront. Either you saw the raiders just creating a lot of chaos on the on the line of scrimmage and that's how you create turnovers you get pressure you get that in the office head but the pressure is what is what greece turnovers both the interceptions and obviously we saw the fumble. That's when a team is feeling all that pressure and they start doing things like fumbling the ball. So i could have a lot of guys afraid you mentioned the sacks but it's more than the saxby max crosby had the one play where he made a big tackle in the backfield. I think he got to just got lost and looked up. And there's a guide for him so he tackle them but either way it's a big play and then arden key was disruptive on the line is i'm getting very into it very excited David irving had some really really nice work. Guy hasn't played in a couple of years. The only put two games in two thousand and eighteen hasn't played it all since then and I know when they didn't really know what they were going to get out of him Look today it wasn't you know it's not like he showed up big on the statute anything like that. But he was in there and i think you know a very Very prominent role that he played really for them. You know doing some damage. At the line of scrimmage. So i think it's all the guys it's rotating in and out at staying fresh and keeping pressure on that broncos off of line which really wilted under that pressure certainly dead but one offensive line. That stood tall was the raiders and helped to get josh jacobs and devante booker to four touchdowns in all and over. Gosh almost two hundred yards Total between the two of them. So ed how he has been that. This offense has repeatedly. I believe it's the last. Three games has been able to go for about one. Hundred and fifty yards rushing here Back to back at least in these two games. Yes it's been huge So they wanna. Cleveland went for a little over two last week against the charges about one one sixty and this week over two. that is huge For the raiders. In a look at the way. Jon gruden wants to coach. I know people don't like to hear that they wanna be me more of an open up style. They want him to be more or less conservative. But it's working for him right now. They won three straight to in. The division are undefeated in their division. I an amazingly. They're doing this behind this offensive line. Which again today miss. Three starters incognito colt miller and trent brown yet again and yet they were still able to run for over two hundred yards against the broncos Yeah they're they're winning the way john wants. We'll that sustain itself. I'm not so sure about that. Because as adams said the broncos aren't very good at all we know. The chargers are disaster. Right now But they're getting done and it was used for those guys user josh jacobs to regain that rookie form Alec gold Played snaps today with two broken ribs. As i write in the column he did that. I burned my mouth on some chicken pot pie. I was almost out for a week but he played with two fractured ribs. Were as tough vs as as the other guy But yeah they're playing the way jon gruden wants to play if he has his perfect world. This is how jon gruden would wanna win games if like. There's always a catastrophe with you in food wherever wherever that's interesting. Popeye was not almost said to carry me out of the press. Box a disaster so out of as we look into this offense here. Henry ruggs probably not doing what they wanted to. But he got a few more catches in there today than just playing off a reverse as we've seen in the last game. And you know. Kind of being a decoy of swords and other games so henry ruggs. Does he finally getting to the point where you think that. He's one hundred percent healthy and he'll be getting involved more in future games. I'm sure the raiders hope. So that's what they want. Remedy saw a little bit today. derek carr took a shot to rugs. I will have to watch the film again but from here in the press box. It looked like he probably should've had it. He didn't even get his hand on it and it just was it kind of went right through his hands and again. I don't want to judge it too much right now. I haven't seen a reply on it yet but from where i was sitting. That's a catch that you've got to make and and what we've seen with. Rugs is kind of losing his his Sense of where. He is on the field near the sidelines We saw him not be able to get his feed in last week on a catch which i thought was derek cars. Best though is a game. And he was incomplete We've seen him kind of do the same thing in the end zone although you know they had. The caller is out of bounds. I thought he was in So just kind of some some unfortunate situations but also self inflicted wounds from rugs at just hasn't been able to To make the big play but able to connect on that yet Except for a couple of rare spots. The the kansas city game comes to mind with one of those plays but they're gonna anymore out of them. They tried a little bit today to get him. Get him in the short passing game. It can turn it into something. He really couldn't But you look across. And you know while jerry jeudy didn't have some monster game you see what he can do you to see him get open. You see him as our and you think okay. He's not really putting up. Stats bake stats. Because drew lock is missing him. But how we are. How would he be doing. If you're on the raiders in fair not. He's henry ruggs is always going to be compared to jerry jeudy. He's always going to be compared to ceedee lamb. He's always going to be compared to justin jefferson. Like those are the guys that he's going to be compared to and right now. He's not measuring up to those guys. So i i think everybody expected he was the least ready of all those guys. He's he's a speed guy that he's polished on his route running and those sorts of things. But i think they expected more out of at this point of the season. Yeah i would definitely agree. At how would she size of that up in comparison if you had to compare rugs to judy judy. You know to the other guys that we've seen out there as well. Like adam mentioned justin jefferson there. How how would you put rugs in that scale of performance against other guys you know exactly where adam says just not as polished. He's not as he didn't come into. The league is ready to make an impact as those others You know ceedee. Lamb and jerry jeudy are on bad teams And they're getting a lot of play maybe because of maybe because they're ready and they can produce But he was behind you know. He had the injury He obviously we've seen with defeat he has issues with his feet. The one thing we know he has his speed. But there's a lot of players speed in this league and db's and safeties eventually gonna figure you out he's got improved a lot so at this point He's not as good as but again it's there. It's all their rookie year. Let's see three or four years down the road where these guys sit. I mean you know we can judge them right now. Eight nine games into all of their rookie seasons. I don't know how fair that is. Bad adams right. It doesn't matter how long they're on the lead. They're all going to be compared to each other because they all came out in the same class But henry ruggs has a bit to go before he reaches those guys. And we talk about lemon and jerry. Jeudy justin jefferson as well. I think he's probably ahead of interested. This way certainly is production wiser. No question about that. I should have made that trade with the fantasy football talk but will time root against your every week person. I i don't know. I can't i can't trade and enter division kind of things because at only make you stronger anyway we will take a break right there and when we come back we'll hear from jon gruden about this teams when you got hurt in an accident now. You need the right lawyer to help you. Don't hire a do nothing. No call no show lawyer. We are sam. Nash and we are different. We've recovered over four hundred million dollars for our clients and we. We promised to always call you back the same day while no one can guarantee an outcome in your case we have the experience to get you the results. You deserve so. Call us at seven to eight two zero one. Two three four or visit. Sam and ash dot com. 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Gruden there on the regional and talking about getting ready for the chiefs of course at the top of the afc west right now and a team. That this raiders team needs to be able to get past play competitive ball with because this division. It's getting tight. Edits getting tight at the top right there. Two games behind as he said with the raiders earlier. On so i mean. What do you think this team really needs to do. Do they need to just repeat what they did against the chiefs in arrowhead. How did they get passed these juice. That's going to be difficult because you now are gonna have a chief steam coming up coming off a a by ready and having remembered the only loss in record right now is to this team. Be very difficult game. I don't think they're gonna be able to lineup. The raiders light lay of the last week sitting there going to have to make plays also through the air to be steam. But with the raiders. Have done really really well mostly. Because they've been able to run. The ball is they've really controlled time of possession. I think it was more than almost thirty seven minutes today. I don't know if that's going to happen next week. But you can try to control as much as you can to keep pam home off the field and they've done a really good job last few weeks of doing so they can stay in the. I don't know the low thirty mark you might have. They might have a punchers chance here to to to to to be the game in the fourth quarter. I guess i'll be surprised if they're not in the fourth quarter and other not going to be favored nor should they be But it will be interesting to see how they come back against the team. They beat the no one thought they could beat Next week How prepared they are and how focus there. I think they're going to be really really. Focus on the issue is going to be the other teams. Fry the best team of and adam. Technically think okay. They beat them on the road. They beat the chiefs in their own home. But that was also one of those things where you have to think how much does not having a crowd have an effect or even actually having some people in the audience that can help riled up a little bit. But i don't know what do you think the chances are that. The raiders team gets passed these chiefs when you look at what they've been able to do here at allegiant versus what they did there in arrowhead will be your first thought is. It's probably not a great shot. I mean they're going to be a big underdog in the game for a reason. The chiefs You know the steelers on are undefeated but the chiefs. I think still are the best team in all of football and they're also going to have some revenge on their mind. I mean this is their only loss of the season. The raiders went in there and really did whatever they wanted to do. Especially on offense against them in terms of keeping the ball So i'm i'm sure that they have the full attention. And if the chiefs are motivated It's really really tough to beat them. I think there are some questions about that last time because the spot the chiefs had some really big game sandwiched around that raiders. Game and Maybe took their eyes off the ball. A little bit in the raiders took advantage of that. Now that all being said the chiefs should be a big favorite in. the raiders. Should have a hard time in that game. But the raiders. Formula has been working out. They've been running for over one hundred fifty yards every game over two hundred today. That is the way to beat the chiefs to keep having homes off the field not let them make plays get them frustrated. Get them to a point where they're trying to they're trying to To press a little bit and then you know not let them have that many opportunities in a game. And that's how the raiders are playing right now and the defense has been good and opportunistic. And yeah i know it was the cleveland game. It was the weather and you know last week it was just making a couple of plays and knocking the ball away. And you know you're one play away from losing But today forcing turnovers and yeah the opponent helped but you know they're getting some confidence so run the ball and for some turnovers and play a little bit of defense. Th they have every opportunity to be writing the game again. At how key has devante booker. Been this season especially as he spent heating up here in the second half and having two touchdowns today like adams talking about needing to have that smash mouth football approach to facing a team like the chiefs to keep a home off the field. How key is a guy. Like devante booker gonna be in that or is huge if they're going to continue to do it Look you know. Running back spin devalue throughout the league. I get that and have a good one josh jacobs but if this is their formula and we think it is You need as many as you can get in as many to be healthy and ready to go and to spell josh jacobs for a series here. There devante been great at it. He won the he won the The job in camp over a draft. Pick you know As jon gruden said today if he says twelve words in an answer it's too many he doesn't he barely speaks. He just goes out and does his job. doesn't get you know no drama with him. So he's he's been huge for them Was big again today against the bad team But yeah they need him next week on the series he does gets to again. Continue with the formula and continue running the ball as he has. I think he's been really really good for them. And other factor that we need to look at are the players that may be coming back from injury. Jalen rashard when out of this one with a chest injury after he got loose on a kickoff return leveled trying to say and i see this as possible. It was rough. Hit aided okay. So we have jalen mishari to look at cole miller. We saw on the sideline with trent brown. The two of them together kind of a lie sitting with the offensive line. Don't know whether we're going to see either. The maybe colt miller's more likely than trent brown. Yeah so. I mean who would be the biggest player to return if we do get one of these guys back in the following week for the raiders whether it be re whether it'd be trent brown whether it be Cole miller who's going to be a key to get back for this team adam. Well i'm gonna. I'm gonna say the most likely to be back would be called miller. And obviously you know the the running game has been able to figure it out with a bunch of losses along the offensive line But you want to have that guy back. There played every single snap essentially for the first two and a half seasons of his career Missed the last two games. But i'm sure they like him back. If only for the depth. I mean you've got guys now that are you're kind of bandaging things together and hoping Maybe duck taping them together hoping that they can make it through a game called miller and then all of a sudden you get your back a little bit so now it'd be big and and it's i think for the main reason is that he's the most likely to be available. Trent brown seems like he's a white always away. We saw him out here at the stadium today. But doesn't seem like he's very close to returning Richie incognito we've heard some good progress reports but he hasn't been anywhere near the practice field so he's no are you know that close to returning It sounds like while jalen rashard The you know the x rays came back okay. Sounds like it was some real concern about his his injury. A chest injury and That it was according to jon gruden severe. So we'll find out where he has to but there's there's a lot of guys today That were outfielder. Village seemed like every couple of minutes or somebody being checked out at the tent and a couple of occasions. Trayvon martin returned but This this'll be one of those You know we're doing this right after the game will be one of those monday jon. Gruden press conferences were all waiting at the injury. Updates and his answer will be our waiting. The medical report on all these guys are not going to get anything firm out of that but we can at least ask about a bunch of different injuries from two to samuel thinking. Well you know. It's hard to see him continuing on the opening drives most often. It's usually like the first. Drive the raiders are in it goes on the tent is just been kind of you might have a seat in. There might not where he belongs. He's supposed to be out on the field. Wait till if you guys right. That's gonna be key because he's had a little bit of durability issue so we'll be back next week when we finish up things after the kansas city chiefs and the raiders. sunday night. Football here at allegiance stadium. And you can keep up with everything that we're doing Vegas nations dot com and by downloading the app. Also check out everything pre-game with art game day show on cox channel fourteen every sunday nine. Am pacific time. That'll do it for us here for greenie and outta mill. I'm heidi fang. We'll be back next week if you've been injured in an accident you need the right team on your side. Ashley is a former insurance defense attorney. Who knows the insurance industry's playbook and sam isn't experienced high stakes negotiator for accident victims and their families at sam ash. Our sole focus is on you your recovery and getting you the best possible settlement in the least amount of time. Call day or night at seven. Oh two eight two zero one. Two three four or visit. 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REShow: Deion Sanders and Ernie Johnson. Hour 1 (01-31-19)

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REShow: Deion Sanders and Ernie Johnson. Hour 1 (01-31-19)

"Orig- is on demand your show your schedule fifteen minutes after ball dot com check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com geico presents unhelpful home improvement how twos a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills so today i'll show you how to cook a serious fall by filling your bathroom without ends plastic balls just now a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the geico insurance agency visit geico dot com and see how a ford -able renter's insurance can be welcome to this thursday of the rich eisen show live from the big game in the honda studio you just heard our guest list we're really happy for it we're really proud of it we got goats all over the place our last guest is going to be shocking and i'm going to get right to my i guess 'cause he's not only sitting here but he's one of my favorite people he does this show as a host on occasion and it's awesome every single time he does it his thirty for thirty dion double play debuts tonight on the worldwide leader in sports at ninety street time he is primetime himself you do them all what's going on brian does a good i know and you're great wisdom zoo i love when you do the show i love the due to show i love that but i hate lieven well then the good thing is we got a nice chunk of time right now before chunk of change oh really not that sean good it's its terrestrial radio oh so you know the drill so pardon me satellite so let's let's get into the fact that this is -lanta eleven okay this it is so beautiful man this is it is so dear to my heart it because i chose it was different when i came out into the draft because i had gone to a all american function here in atlanta in what i got to the city and went to the airport like dang we did a little thing at hospitals like dang start going around the city to dine into do the different things that we had i was like oh my god i had truly never seen african american people in such roles and positions in titles that never seen in my life it blew my mind you know city officials doctors lawyers political figures it blew my mind so i said that's why won't go because i knew do was i was not unapologetic brash i was going to be me and i felt like atlanta would at least understand me and i said i'm not going to you don't drive me i'm gonna play baseball if you do i'm not going there i'm not going there and sure atlanta pig out so have a to do and and i also love the story that you've told and if you would mind telling the audience here as well at the combine when you would be pulled into rooms and you didn't know which room you are being pulled into by which yeah yeah i was i was i was it'd come back in back in that day everybody was reaching for ages into hotel yeah everybody everybody structure you can't be in a hotel you can't be on the premises then it was everything was well some backing away from crowds and people trying to grab bag into this room in giants was there and it was the giants room and they had people sitting down taking these tests did they call these things oh yeah like the psychologist thing was debt dick man and i sat down and they gave me this thing what is this is this test we need you to take it i said oh what picker do you have there's like ten that'd be going vote in that'd be going waigel voted and and then let's just get into it here i mean bella check said he wants you run the forty at the combine and that you ran it and then ran into the tunnel and is it true it's not true okay you did not run into a waiting car and being no because i had more interviews than all of that no that story just grows it is it is it is not true i did everything did i was asked to do that and lift ain't do not of that because jay writes that they had laid cross my arms bench press you know i don't know where that comes of it you say that when you're watching the defensive backs wait reps of two twenty struggle fifty one up you're have you ever said man that guy would have got one more up you'd have been there and they play three cone drill this has nothing to do with nothing so i didn't do any of that stuff right yeah on all worked out and now is i've not been in the new house yet here's a youthful man is your banner up there at least we're learning that you're because you that was your house yeah they'll is one and it was a good house down it was a good house that was your house a home so i'd like to know if they're still some form of fashion yes yes we patched you some got to be some kind of price blasphemy if it isn't now this this thirty thirty tonight is just off good it is no it's not good it's great it really is but you know what i want rich calling me for years to do thirty thirty i'm sure you know and what does this do for me you go play it over and over you're going get from this so i wanna really blessed people so i want to just do the football when or just the baseball let's do one that really talked about what really transpired behind the curtain on a two sports one day so this this came about i didn't wanna do the normalcy thing let's do something because that day troubled me to day in e people still really don't know what transpired behind the curtains and i can't wait for everyone to see it and i'm still puzzled like my contract is over july the thirty first i'm still here and you made me to be the bad guy how does that happen that you made me to be the villain that i was being selfish and that's why love social media today athlete has his opportunity to our ticket himself 'cause you're magin if i would have been in era first of all coon goodness fun was i would have had sliding deanne and kim kardashian leg that your your instagram game is pretty on oh my whole social media attribute to rich because i wouldn't do it because the country do what you may think i'm very like you know i'm priming it today because this is called but normally i'm dea enrich knows that in in a really repluse when it comes to certain things and he talked me into the way he got me he said you know what you have you sent out an inspirational every morning long as i've known you imagine how many more people you could reach if you did this and that's what got me years ago he was oh my but but going on social gab and make sure that it was your name at dion sanders true you know gotta get that but the fact that i would teach you anything about branding you deal walk off a walk did attributed to us about it well i mean finally did it so so that the one day for those let's just delve into it a little bit and i wanna give the whole store way 'cause everybody needs to watch tonight at nine eastern on e._s._p._n. thirty for thirty the the day that we're talking about is the helicopter to go from one place to the other does it okay helicopter was to get to the jet right okay right i still don't know how to came about like i've never said to anybody eight man i need a helicopter to get down eighty five to get to the game i never see i don't know how to nixon helicopters on prague's ville waiting for me go what am i supposed to do i'm good driving traffic you had no idea who provided it who paid for it i know i didn't i don't i have no idea who provided that on a daily basis at the football practice but i know the two sports one day to even think about that it wasn't that i wanted to play two sports or one day it was that the fact that i'm getting ready to send mine balconies my beloved bow because football's my heart out there dan marino duper clayton in net more would that mean the secondary that's stupid and it's it to me selfish and i have a football country in now i got the brave and they mad at me and it's it's it's it's october the contract is long gone so i'm helping you and you had attitude with me i didn't understand that in it really it hurt me man it hurt me because it was like you doing so much for somebody that don't even respect you and they have no regard for the other team that you're playing with because they felt like this is our moment forget them well we trying to get to the playoffs too and i have a whole group of teammates over there that love me just as much as you love me and i got love for them so just not being there for them while i'm sitting on the bench for nine endings how explain that in that was the dilemma and it was tough he got two point where after i played in miami i really wanted to just take the playback atlanta's they forget you but kids adults whatever you start you finish whatever you start you finish and i had to finish plus your teammates are there to a made it's not like your teammates were the ones who are right and i loved them right multi and teepee terry pendleton and all glavin navy all those guys man was my guys dave justice gant limp dog limpkey i love those guys tonight it's what you never heard nothing on that transparent out of any my teammates it was just management and it bothered me it's the same thing by the way for t._v. i just wanna say that as well i'm serious i'll never forget when you first arrived at the n._f._l. network and i'd never really met you okay i covered you and i had watched you one of the first things you did and i'll say this mariucci's coming up in our number three it was me you and mooch for all those years okay doing the highlights and you just come off the field is a coach okay you had many years now of working at c._b._s. as well and obviously many decades of being prime and so we got on the set and mooch was on the end you were in the middle and i was on the left and you after we did one show where mooch was trying to figure out how to get in on our conversations or the highlights you came off the set and you're like why am i in the middle like if i'm on the mobile blood gut well i didn't know you were in the middle you wanted to be put me on the end through because mariuchi could just if he's out there on the end of the said he's gonna get lost nobody's going to hear from him maybe he's not gonna be in the mix and i'm like that is one of the most you know sharing giving a self-aware comments i've ever seen from any analyst and that is that's typical of you and i want that send typical thing that always emphasizes team team i mean i wouldn't be where i am today without a teen in that's on the field off the field with family with the kids i mean you gotta have a team in a truly believe in that in all aspects dion sanders here on the rich eisen show i guess let's get into this a little bit here superbowl fifty three working out great that's it right next question i love jerry gulf man can you imagine what this kid is dealing with all week he down it heating in the middle of the season he kinda sled even had a rough time edited the last game early on in now you gotta deal with brady man you gotta look over across the feeling noted this guy ain't no joke so they don't rush for two hundred yards in he doesn't throw at least two hundred yards which they never done abundant mcveigh two hundred two hundred is going to be a problem it's going to be a problem in throwing for two hundred yards is really simplistic but they have to rush to keep tom of field because tom is going to work they go score against that defense you don't think suing donald could provide the pressure for donal distract right hey ain't a man built in america to get a handle on right and sue decide that he wants to play in the playoffs god he wanted to play and he's bowling right but brady hadn't been sacked in turn feels maze getting rid of the bowl i mean this dude is unbelievable he's unbelievable it's going to be tough it's going to be tougher rams so you think the patriots when it's all said done no thank you okay can you pick against brady in one game test in bill china but he's he an he has lost is he's lost three times having one five thank you okay i just want to do it all right before i let you go you're speaking of column later today yes okay it's just to bring this gonna search his heart okay come into search everybody's talking about what the kids to do what he shouldn't do i've been in this situation is a little different because boeing i when it a little different because we could do both sports because of the position boca just show whenever you wanted to give him the ball he's still boat i fall out of bed and cover to this day i got at least a quarter a quarterback e can't do that the game does not allow him to miss half a season still be a quarterback how you gonna lead you can eat nobody nobody wants to see you have to season you're not there in the summer and the spring and fall you gotta be there so it's going to be tough he really has to make a decision but the decision really is not for us it's his heart i think the kid heart says football what advice would you give if it's football no what it vice would you give him as he's making this decision in his mind see his heart i don't tell them nothing until i know where he wants he tells me the course he wants to take in could beat the navigational system but i can't navigate him unless he possessed dressing that was good wasn't it yeah that that's a walk off mitt mobile what are you doing what are you doing but i have kids and he's crazy i had to partner with somebody that can consolidate dismiss and challenging status quo man take it on the big boys and say you know for twenty dollars we can handle this not try to get them to do it for twenty one and just give me the dollar over here branding branding yes let but they're doing a fantastic job i'm happy to be partnered with them because they're going to help a lot of you i know you run it up a phone i could tell right now the way you look in moment you you so she media guy right yeah you got all of the apps and all this stuff like what i'm celica met you need meant yeah you need people what i do he's got a thirty for thirty i don't sell i believe in it i believe in he get to phone i definitely need you two phones mint mobile with prime thirty for thirty dion so good one more thing i'm sorry no i just did this and i never done this before because you know i like really transparent but the little letter to myself right you gotta read that you gotta read that i'm i'm him in wish i am like like i'm really i mean i killed it thing i dug eat nate nate i won't got a real thing you got to read the letter to a seven year old friend is good at the player's tribune yes it is good and then you're on the air after the game right yes which means you're not on pre-game been that'd be on em do game as you stay in do polls game then i know you instead yeah that's not no on t._v. what are you talking about i'm every day but i'm talking about i miss being with while yell we're not i don't we don't get together seven or eight evident avary man we seven eight years just gone you just dipped on me you left i did not get on in the morning you also abandoned the brotherhood yeah the hair again i'm not looking good up on a need right now so that's all we got before ernie joints one last thing you know who i'm running against on saturday right you sane bolt stop rich rich why are you doing this to yourself emotional for run rich runs training though now i told you at blazers jim j. glazes not one training i he's not training you a felony zach gates who has done a great were originally just put his was waiting early it was wrapped were it's please played the footage while own here i post post you can't do it in there it is right there i'm boxing what is that gonna do they got nothing to do with ain't nothing never seen you sane box do none of that stuff i'm getting in shape finnigan i wanna see you starts and all they need to see that that's what i was getting involved in that which getting started you're going to be proud of me this year i'm proud probably every i know that but then i'm not i just you know it's going to be great then i wanna hug you this year really mean it it's going to have dion sanders everybody the honda green room the honda alleged from one atlanta alleging to another ernie johnson of turner sports us joining shots coming on later can't wait to chat with ernie johnson that you coming on dion sanders right here on the rich eisen show every car comes with its share stories that ding in your bumper when you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package you got after a big promotion or the mileage you save by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch how your car's details pop up then answer a few questions navigation and moon roof watches they bump up your value high mileage you already knew it was gonna cost you but now 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pretty n._b._a. on t._n._t. good workout that's a box it looks like there's this bobble head of it is the bobble set and i don't know here handed to me styrofoam this is the set of the four of us oh my gosh this is going to go on the rich eisen show studio for sure oh my gosh go sniffly heads off oh my word yes look at this folks this the one second from the right now second from the left by the way the the the hairline on this is particularly impressive yeah that's a little kind i know that's trust me i understand with that at go there you go so i hope you enjoy them can't wait to take this home thank you for that thank you for bringing gifts certainly it's been great here i mean yeah i mean you're here at our place and we it was only that we that we give you what a spot i mean when did you first walk into this campus here ernie it'll be thirty years ago in july nineteen eighty-nine and we had like one main building where you could still find ted turner in those days i right yeah the main building out there that has the fountain in front and has the columns and then it just it grew it's out of control but we have i think we have the greatest studio setup anywhere and and just happy to have you happy to have you here to check it out we love it we've been we've made been made to feel right at home and you know hopefully with whatever's going on synergy is between turner and the parent company of this show hopefully this is just the beginning of very long beauty let's be for sure and so having a super bowl in this town is well it's the second one that has been here visit transform the town you see it you feel it or what here's the thing about anytime there's a super bowl in atlanta the first thing you worry about is the weather right and wouldn't you know this week we had these dire predictions of omo it's going to snow it's going to ice mike kids didn't go to school on tuesday and you know woke up it was forty five degrees and then what and then when it was all supposed to hit it was about thirty eight degrees but the kids were happy it was beautiful though nothing happened no i know but things have happened here in the past i know the latte superbowl bowl much weather yes almost guaranteed an ice storm this week with the super bowl here but it didn't have it was going to be great it didn't happen all and i've not been in the new building it's gorgeous told oh it is it's it's outstanding i was in there for the very first game that was played alabama against f. issue was there for the national championship game i know you're georgia gal out hurt that hurt and then i was there for the s._e._c. championship this year i kind of tired of watching that movie yeah this georgia beats the dog out alabama for almost the entire time and then and then it doesn't happen but now he got sony michelle for the patriots in this game and you got tired todd gurley in it's just it's just the georgia bloodline of world class athletes i know ernie johnson sony michelle no terrell davis award received on all honesty in all honesty i had one one year of playing at the university of georgia so played baseball there my freshman year i walked on as a freshman and was told to walk off as a sophomore but but i had that one glorious year of wearing the red and black and i'll never forget what you hit hit that i was too for eighteen i was too for eighteen at the dish with one career r._b._i. one career and it happened at the university of tennessee second game of a doubleheader four twenty eight in the afternoon partly cloudy skies temperature about sixty three but aside from that i don't really remember did you lace one in the gap was left handed hitter and i took one the other way over the shortstop said knocked in the go ahead run which would would was going to give us the s._e._c. division title and then somebody for tennessee hit a grand slam in the bottom of the last inning we lost see were also almost got in the red and black student newspapers the guy with the with the game winning almost a frankie cabrera mo- yeah very very very close very close did you ever were you here when when turner had the n._f._l. i worked i worked sunday nitro night show right yeah i had various roles i was in the studio i was in the studio when it started with ken stabler oh which was it was it was the greatest it was the greatest and and snake was just the greatest guy in the world we'd all show up to watch all the games you know at we'd probably gather about ten thirty or eleven watching pre-game watch the games snake would come in you know about three afternoon they shouldn't is i don't know what time i got in last night e._j. but the newspaper hit me in the head so it was he was he was the greatest and so i went from that to being like on the at the site of the game kind of did a little bit of sideline did a pre and post game show from the field yeah but yeah we had we had the n._f._l. is the best game that you recall that who we had the jeff george game member jeff george game in atlanta he june jones got into all we had we had that so you're the sideline reporter for that one but but yeah i was it was like one of those things where you woke up monday morning that i missed that that's probably why n._f._l. career ended now what we had a game for thursday night year was saturday night game over so we as we call it the the saturday night edition of thursday night football which you know people kind of have mixed t._v. guys exactly right but everyone else they're like what are you talking about that was the game turned out to be bill parcells last win a head coach beat the falcons where i'm on the sideline of that game was doing this island but getting set to do the halftime and a member of jim morris staff comes running up to me say do you have video of t. o. spitting at the angelo hall where like in the same way that you might have been like what what was going on with jeff george in june jones like what are you talking about they were hopping mad the angela hall was hopping mad and sure enough terro owens came by our set post game as the guest and as if that wasn't awkward steve mariucci we we all know benched him for going to the dallas star had not spoken to te'o in years he was who the guest he was analyst nice and everyone was volunteering to give up there seat for that post game interview and she t flat out admitted yeah i spit at them okay one of those and we'll be right back we'll be right exactly that's always good fallback always be ready to say that well we're right back i've always told my aunt i always told analysts that i'm doing if you ever have any trouble the safe words are back to you rich those are the safe i'll take him they're getting trouble on there for you know you're exactly do you have any of those moments of your career and we had we had one with with chuck amazingly but he had he had said something i don't i don't want to start big thing because i i remember it but i know he had he had had a couple of things to say about pita one point because the league was thinking about going to all leather going away from a leather basketball and charles came out at halftime and just and we're live slowly unwraps hamburger and i'm like chuck i can't help it see says i just want those people peter to know that animals are good for two things eaten intestine back to you when i was like kenny to help you know that was like that was the man that was like charles first or second year with us but yeah it happens every now and then and there you just hope that you just hope that sometimes it's not going to be guilt by association i know he said it but you're all gone but you're so great at this too i mean and and and ernie johnson here on the rich eisen show and a honda insider report we'll talk some n._b._a. and it quick second but this is what you're great at and that's what's so great about the show that you do up the hall from here is that it's natural it's looks like your show meetings on television that what you're doing shorts produced but you are just being yourselves and you allow these guys to be themselves and when it does need some sort of corralling you corral it and at times you know when a let everybody go to let them be themselves and that that is an art sir and i wanna point that out all these people well you you do the same thing with with your show and when you're dealing with the guys that we deal with look look charles charles change the landscape of sports t._v. for for all these studio shows i mean it was it was never like this until charles scott here and so where we didn't have to necessarily talk about the game if the game wasn't any good you know we were just we would just go ahead and and and it's like four guys sitting in a living room we're watching the game nobody's asking for permission to talk and the thing that sticks out his we do not rehearse it i mean these guys don't go to the production meeting we don't want them there you know i have to be there so the producer in ira on the same page but if we want to throw something at kenny sometime during the night we don't want him to have been in the meeting so okay yeah that'll be funny and then you say this and i'll laugh and then you say this hill laugh in them we'll go to break we don't want that to happen a lot of times it's whoever's talking the loudest gets heard in on its people interrupting each other and their time so i got guys please i need we need to get to this and but we all love each other i mean we just we genuinely do and we know that we're blessed to do what we're doing i mean we've had this same group together the three of us for twenty years and then shack for the last seven and that doesn't happen tv because because executives are always trying to tinker with the chemistry all i know who will work this guy with this guy and there's no predicting it and so i think when everybody knows their role and everybody satisfied with their role and nobody's trying to make the show about them organically things just happened that the next day people are at work talking about and did you see when shack said he didn't know where the golden state warriors plate what's actually happened on our i mean we're doing highlights of the warriors game and i said we go to oakland for the highlights and this is all live and in shock just like ernie hook him you keep saying oakland where where the playing a game i know but wine oakland because that's where the warriors play i didn't know that this is while the highlights are going on i just know we stayed in san francisco i got on a bus and you see there's no production meeting in the world that could come up with let's do this you know that's just that shack shack and so that just it's just part of what makes the show so much fun because if you don't know what's going to happen join the club neither do i got no clue what's going to happen from one moment to the next and because it's not rehearsed you know we'll sit there and start the show and charles i to say something and he'll unload and then suddenly we're talking for three minutes about that which nobody in the production meeting every talked about but it's just the way the show goes and i think that's why it's kind of it's kind of resonated with people it's just like mitts unpredictable the guys are funny and you never know what they're going to say and and if there's going to be an international incident that happens and and sometimes you know we've come maybe that close up to that before i let you go sir tell me why the warriors aren't just going to hoist the trophy right now no they are i think we know that but i think the thing that always the injury thing is would always throws a wrench into things i mean you know we did the western conference finals last year the houston rockets cut one that they have beaten the golden state warriors the chris paul injury was huge and so i mean all i can say if golden state's going to trot out that same bunch every night from here until until the finals you can't beat them for times you know you can try to make you can try to make it close you can play them your best but that's a special group i mean and now that they've added demarcus cousins to that mix i mean it's almost unfair almost unfair you know look okay you guys have all these you can only play two of them in this game which to you're gonna play that's it's almost gotten to that point because as you see right now they've won eleven in a row they're just they're just on a roll steph curry's having a tremendous year and and that's the thing when you look at this team maybe durant will have an often maybe steph will have often maybe they'll have an off night together and then use worry about klay thompson and demarcus cousins going off so it's it's it's a that's the championship team right if they're healthy if they are healthy for short boring answer to give sorry still watch there's still drama date is the n._b._a. anthony davis coming out and creating something that looks like it looks like we we may have the first instance of a player accused of tampering the n._b._a. i mean do you think we might get to that point we're adam silver steps in and there's a player who owns an agency with an agent that shared with the best player that's come out to say that i want to get traded and i certainly think it puts everybody's in ten up in the league office and you can't let it run rampant it's going to be interesting to see how new orleans handles this because you you can't wait too long but you don't want to pull the trigger before you get what you're what you think he's worth and you don't want to be stuck with them next year so if you don't make a deal by the all star break in a machine you have to do it by the trade deadline this year but if the time goes on and then suddenly other teams feel like well well maybe we're right in the rules now because you don't want to be stuck with him so we're only gonna give you this it'll be interesting to see how quickly this this does move on and if the new orleans tries to you know get it done and get top value for anthony davis it's gonna be interesting interesting situation feeling out works out how oh man well from what i'm hearing about you know not returning calls from the lakers right you know where is a good place i mean is boston a place i'd place that can provide the parts at the places yeah but no i don't know i'm given up trying to predict where guys are in a land or is this guy going to going to sign here that kind of thing i don't know but it's you know the lakers thing would have been intriguing but it certainly looks like the lines of communication or not exactly open right now outside of your so-called lane you have a fifty fifty three prediction of are the patriots in it they are indeed sir that would be my pick watered watching the other no watching him the other day was just you know it's like just when you and we witnessed it when they played the falcons in the super bowl you you you get them down and you know i had actually stopped watching the game for a little while with the falcons a big and i started cleaning up we're having a super bowl party and i'll clean some of this stuff up what's going on okay well coming to sit in to watch a little bit more you just can't ever contemplate and as much as i'd like to see sean mcveigh have a great night he he's he's got matters right nearest high school here in atlanta that's right yeah i went there a long time before he did but but i think it'll be it'll be fun to watch but man that patriots have that that it factor men they do and ernie johnson here in the honda insider report which is brought to you by the all new honda passport the ruggedly styled s._u._v. that's capable as it is stunning head to your honda dealer today and see why it's the perfect vehicle for your adventures love watching your ernie and i'm i'm just 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take it take it out are you doing anything this week has been called in from the control room right there i like it it's a good question i just don't think that malcolm butler being benched is up those three now now we're talking about they want it would have been gutsy i guess we will never know what happened right now no even when somebody's written book i mean butler you'd think if he if he was done dirty a wrong in his mind he would've said something going down to tennessee but then didn't i've no idea i have no idea what happens the perfect it's a perfect situation again with with bella check where nobody second guesses him anymore i mean the bill we trust stuff is that shook but now now you're later it's not even not even a question juju smith schuster in christian mccaffrey making their way to the set just to bring the sort of full circle with dion as our first guest in johnson what great stories he was telling about what he's what he what he goes through the host on on the set at turn up the road here inside the n._b._a. now that you can't rehearse this stuff and they didn't want to rehearse it stuff is that when we started doing thursday night football as partners with network television you know we had the n._f._l. network had thursday night football ourselves and then the league came in and changed the dynamic a little bit but we were still there for pre and post game etc there were times when network television folks were trying to influence what we were doing on our show and sometimes we would be in there and brace on say halftime cable i starting they wanted us to a hearse and look at dion sanders and telling him to rehearse not happening was just met with a look like what are you what are you what are you doing we just couldn't stand rehearsing but they wanted to rehearse like where i would say something and then somebody else would say something of the camera shots were get down let's at least walk through so the control room can do it when you when you're sitting in a seat like this you have to respect it you know yet you've got a microphone on your delivering it but there's all bunch of people who are in a control room that for whom it's important to rehearse and what have you so we would go through it but instead of saying what we're going to say we're just going out and do this i think this is gonna win rich michael that's what we would do save the gold save the cold there's no rehearsing with deal now zero story and all those stories any told ernie told i was so great so i love doing this and we've got another great segment coming up with christian mccaffrey and juju smith schuster and steve mariucci and also shack making his way to our studio here on a very busy first hour in the books now thursday edition the rich eisen show have you checked out the big podcast with shack here podcast one yeah we talked basketball but we're a lot more than just sports magoo's feb this lady she's seven it's new everything about me everything 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Raiders stay in the playoff race with win over Jets

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28:29 min | 11 months ago

Raiders stay in the playoff race with win over Jets

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Get the idea raiders. Thirty one jets twenty eight. This one was a nail biter. It was close down to the wire. Henry ruggs who could not be counted on earlier in the game almost Had a had a little tip that it was part of an interception and then the fumble and just was struggling throughout the day comes up big with the touchdown. To seal the raiders. Victory ed What was your first initial thoughts here on that big play rugs. This is one where you run to the bus. Run to the airplane note. They don't Change their minds about what happened. Because it's one of those where you escape it. no All credit obviously not only to the raiders making light but for the jets to be playing the worth defense imaginable on third and ten With that much time left. But yes i mean henry. Ruggs were rookie. Usually henry ruggs. He's always gonna be compared to this only twenty Rookie were pass right and of all the rookie receiver to have done something. He's kind of been our bottom of the barrel compared to those guys judy. Lamb jefferson a lot of those guys a lot. More of those guys so for him to come up with a play like that after missing ball. He should've caught tipped off the pick. Like you said. Heidi the fumbled Jets turned into the lead late in the fourth quarter Huge play for the rookie for henry. Ruggs he had a double move the outside. I don't know why there was man defense in some. But there was in the raiders capitalized. When derek carr found forty six yards so huge huge huge. Win for the raiders Everyone in front of them for the playoffs. The brown dolphins The colts won today. Meaning once again if it ended today. The raiders are not in yet but had they lost this game. Heidi that would just been horrible for their playoff. Chances right here. normally. I wait to play some sound bites but i wanna play one right now from jon gruden talking about the faith that they had and henry ruggs here down the stretch after henry. Ruggs fumbled the football and he was involved in the interception. I thought he should have caught. that pass. A lot of guys would hang your head going to tank for him to win. That gape force It just says a lot about the football character that he has and we have so that sums so they have. Jon gruden talking about henry ruggs and just what an asset he is to the team. Will i mean at least when they needed them. That can say for that right now. Three receptions eighty four yards on the day plus that touchdown again the game winner He had said in his own post game. But the Knew that he was in a catch heat from his father. Ed if hidden bring home that touchdown It might give the game ball to his dad. Whose birthday is tomorrow. Henry ruggs junior celebrating a birthday or he could give it to his baby daughter. He's not sure yet. But i mean it looks like things may be henry. Ruggs can turn a corner after that. They're going to have to go back and work on a lot of things. But i think the big takeaway in that play was that he really did the route. Well ed would you. Would you say that he's looking like he's starting to kinda have the idea of what he needs to do. On these routes. Yeah he sold the double move which was really good Again the defense was bad but he made it look even worse by sauna. Double moving getting open You know look it's gonna take a long time Some some guys justin jefferson's kind of making it look easy other rookies. But it doesn't happen like that for every rep. Derek carr said afterwards. Every rookie makes mistakes. Darren waller he remembers when he was a rookie. And you just want games the end after you made mistakes but Credit henry ruggs. Who didn't allow that to happen. Who had the two mistakes and came back and made the biggest player of the game. A lot of guys might assault did not iran as hard on that route or didn't think it was going to happen for him after what happened earlier in the game so he ran a really good route and he made the play the game. And you know. I don't know who's getting the game ball may be from cells. Those don't come along often. You know there's a lot of guys to choose from after every game or who they game balls to But that was a big moment is obviously the most the biggest catch. He's had so far as rookie. There's no question that well. There's two things that you've brought up in a couple of things that you said. One man defense to darren waller that brings us to darren. Waller thirteen receptions two hundred yards two touchdowns on the day. What a shining performance at a darren waller the clutch kinda go-to guy that the raiders voice had a big thing. A lot of people always talked about throughout time is that the raiders needed the big number one type wide receiver. Henry ruggs unit. That he was gonna be that guy and then you had a moment. They're like antonio brown is going to be that guy and we won't say that name anymore but you know you get the idea. There's there's been a void to fill. But darren waller today stepped up huge into that role. Just outshining everybody else in the receiving corps. So ed what he had to say about. Darren wallers banner day that he was terrific. It reminded me of last year right. I mean two hundred yards for tight ends amazing anyway So two hundred yards two touchdowns that long of thirty eight He was great in cotton. They couldn't cover up. I mean i think i think derek carr found that out right away on the first couple of drives that they were struggling covering darren waller the jets so he just kept going back to him And you know they needed all. The two hundred yards needed everything he could give them today and as a huge day for him so he's a really good player. I think there were times that this year. The expectations coming off last season. Maybe got him a little You remember the new england name or ballot check just took him completely out of the game. There have been games like that but when he gets going like he did today You know you can. You probably can't get past one hand when you talk about better ride better tight ends in the lead. There's a few that they're always going to be the standard starting with kelsey and others. When darren waller gets going like he did today where he run routes and how hard is how tough recovery is. He's pretty darn good. So that's some of the things. That the raiders done well but there were a lot of things in this game that the raiders did not do well at all. I mean this game should never been this close ed. I don't think that they there were a lot of plays. They're on defense where they had. Great moments Hankins recovering a fumble. Clean feral coming back obviously was a big key. Thing for the raiders to have back But there were also plays where you saw them. Give a big yards for touchdowns other times when you're kind of shaking your head at some of the things that had happened in this game. The nfl follies. If you will date myself without one but what did you make of first of all. Let's let's talk about cleveland farrell's return and then get into the rest of it. What did you make of his performance coming into his first game after having been out due to covid look coming back and getting to strip sacks that recovered fumbles and three quarterback. Hurries is a pretty darn good day at bad penalty late But i'll tell you what He really really created havoc in. You're right you know by the raiders. Standard of defense It was probably pretty high rated game but it was the jets and they really let the jets. Come back there Take league now. A lot of that on the last touch obviously had to do with rugs. Fumbles but listen this. This is why you know that they didn't play superior defensively Frank gore the starting running back of the jets goes out as with damon are net on the hit. The second play of the game the jets still ran for over two hundred yards with second third. String got so. It wasn't a great game. Defensively for the raiders but they made plays the strip sacks the trayvon mullen interception They did enough. You know to kinda hang around with their offense until obviously rugs at the make the great plan the end i thought to hold. I thought the offense kind of play not to lose their in the third and fourth quarter where they started going back to the run. Which i don't know why it can run the ball all day and then i thought defensively was really ben. Ben ben broke a few times. They really fortunate. To get bailed. Out there on the rugs touchdown so but like i said it's a road win and you had to win at heidi when those other three teams cleveland miami and indianapolis all one. You had to win that game. You could not keep falling behind teams when it comes to tiebreakers the season it come down to the last week. Rep that last playoff spots and they would have lost today they would really probably look back and say boy. That was one. That really did him it. I have to ask because he brought this up at about the other. Afc teams that are in the hunt. The browns nine and three the colts move in on the dolphins moving on all of these teams looked really good. Today i would say probably. The browns looked at the best with mayfield playing with his hair on fire. So which of those teams to you right now is the front runner when it comes down not just to the remaining schedule but the one that could probably be the big The big one that the raiders are going to have to catch up to you know what's really interesting about that as good as the as good as the browns look. Today we can't forget what division durant the browns are going to be. A wildcard is completely. Throw this way okay. So they're a wildfire. Indianapolis can win their division. There ain't for. They're now tied with the titans and it appears in again. Miami's right there with buffalo. So really it's funny. Heidi because the raiders will hold if they're time of the browns the tiebreaker because of the head to head I still think. I still think it's gonna come down to either in near miami. And that's why the raiders. Now go home for three straight games at home to our who against indian miami. It's all there for them in front of them. They have them at home. They control their own destiny. I think if they could beat both of those teams. So i would say both of those teams. I think the browns are gonna get in at nine and three. I don't think they're gonna lose enough to get out. And i think they'll probably be a head of the raiders tour. That tiebreak won't come in. So i really think it's gonna come down to miami and or indianapolis head to head and like i said they get them both at home at allegiance state right right there. We'll take a quick break comeback. Talk more about the raiders. Thirty one to twenty eight win over the jets. And ed greenie thing will be too. You got hurt in an accident now. You need the right lawyer to help you. Don't hire a do nothing. No call no show lawyer. We are sam. Nash and we are different ways recovered over four hundred million dollars for our clients and we promise to always call you back the same day while no one can guarantee an outcome in your case we have the experience to get you the results that you deserve so call us at seven. Oh two eight two zero one. Two three four or visit. Sam and ash dot com. Because you deserve what's right. 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Their proprietary blends are raw and organic and mixed with other functional ingredients to create a better teasing experience. First time shooters could go to drink. Favor dot com fungi to compete with obviously a huge day. Two hundred yards as tight end on thirteen catches. They'll that's that's just ridiculous you know. That's video game type stuff He's he's a special talent And i'm. I'm thankful that i get to be his quarterback. You know it's a it'll be some. I got to tell my kids about right. Tidy fang et grainy. We're back here on the vegas nation. Podcast thirty one to twenty eight. The raiders final score in the win over the jets finally picking up a win and metlife something that they really haven't done in any kind of recent decade and it's something that they've struggled to do Especially in cold weather so it was. I believe about thirty degrees this morning. When the raiders started warming up in new york that was when i happen to check out the weather. And i thought well it's going to be a bad day for derek carr and the raiders because that's something that he's usually struggled with but it seems like this year he shaken off the cold weather. He's managed to put up a pretty good numbers. Thirty three hundred. Eighty one yards and three touchdowns despite the interception Also held on on a couple of those sacks where he went down in the game. Ed so what jamaica. Derek cars performance. Howdy grade it yet. He also ran one in. You know this is their cars done throughout his career high. He had a horrible game last week in atlanta. We know that in the forty three to six loss. Derek carr and i wrote about this in sunday's paper you go through the worst game in the six years. He's played this seven season. And then you go to the next week. He's always had a better game and sometimes like exponentially so like a great game and i would categorize. This is one twenty to forty seven hundred. Eighty one three touchdowns one rushing touchdown. his rating was ninety seven. So once again. Derek carr is able to. This isn't always easy. But i think is a veteran. You have a better chance of doing. It is putting a really bad performance behind you quickly and coming up with coming up with a really really good when it was. It was a week of emotions for him. He talked about it afterwards. The bad lost atlanta than his wife goes into labor. They have their daughter. He's all excited. Obviously a lot of joy in that unite both not feeling it out of having a child. Then he's got a refocus They get down. he's gotta bring them back. So mike guests is derek. Carr probably had a few weeks asleep back on the plane coming back because that was a week of a a a lot of emotions Both ways but i thought he played really really well. Plus you know you never get sleep when you have a newborn at home. That's just as a matter if you have people to help you care for them or not. You're not going to be getting a lot of sleep Let's talk to about not. Just what happened there with car. But the offensive line Trent brown right now is on the exempt list. So that means that it's a way of putting him on a list without having to activate him under unusual circumstances that's usually what it's reserved for. So does that mean that. We're going to wait another week or two. What do you believe could happen here. Down the stretch with trent brown and the ongoing saga united. I've i've quit trying to guess. I mean how can we even know what this is gonna happen with him. They need him They need damon. Arnett back went out with concussion. They trent brownback. They need to get healthy. If they're going to do this with three other last ford home they need to be healthy. Indies not gonna come in and and not think they can win. They won in houston today and he's a very good team. Miami one again today. these be tough games so trip brown needs to get back And i for their sake. You need to get back as soon as possible I know samyong came back today. But they need trent brown on the right side. They need to get healthy. Spots beginning with their offense of lying car. Felt some pressure today. You're right you made a good point in terms of protected the ball better this week but People are gonna come at him and they back. Obviously he's done for the year but they need to get trent brown bracken that right side speaking injuries. Ed somebody that you definitely felt his presence. Not Somebody you need to get back on the field as josh jacobs. Devante booker just The defense a little bit tougher than people give own twelve team credit for They are in the top. When it comes to the rushing defenses and the nfl but devante booker sixteen carries fifty yards. Jalen rashard also had a few carries the riddick carries but not enough to to make that kind of impact to continue to establish the run. Like you would imagine if you had josh jacobs in there so I mean this is going to be a big one down the stretch. A josh jacobs. Do you think that they probably get him back next week. Yeah i would think. Ankles are weird Sometimes i'm late. It's a cliche but it's true that you know Strength sprains worse than break sometimes breaks. You know exactly how long your app know because you don't outs reacted treatment. But they need him back. Look i know. Derek carr played really well. And obviously if you have to say if there's an mvp the offense. Tim but josh jacobs show you today that he's a close second term to who the mvp that often says when they've done really well. This year wins. Like cleveland and others. They've been able to control the clock and run the ball. They couldn't run the ball today. Like you said booker at fifty to lead them but dany josh jacobs back now again. Here's the caveat to that if he comes back and he's not a hundred percent with an ankle those things can linger so you really have to make sure if you bring him back. It's worth it and it's worth to his health that he's ready to go any give you maybe not one hundred percent effort because no one hundred percent at this time of year but he can give you ninety eighty five ninety percent of an effort without the risk of being hurt again ankles or really. Really tough to hamstrings. But i'll leave it at this if you watch the game today and you're right. The jets are better against a run in the art against a pass. You know how important josh jacobs is to that team and we talked about some of the ups and downs of this team. Also ed and i'm kind of bouncing around here but something. I wanted to make sure that. I brought up was about moreau's play. He gets exact but then he also caused a penalty that allowed the judge the second chance on a two point conversion which they ended up scoring on so i wanted to get into this because we have about the rudd's mistakes that he was able to redeem himself. When you look at the different players and and the things that they need to do to get right. Is it just a matter of cleaning up mistakes. Is that a matter of paying. Just just trying to play as much clean football as possible cleaning up the penalties. What is his team needs to add in the coming games as they come back home to allegiant and have a pretty decent stretch of very key games here. Yeah i mean it's just week-to-week cleaned up. I mean week. Obviously they didn't have the penalties did last week had they they probably wouldn't have one again Yeah moreau has the one to play in any Here's the thing you're always gonna make mistakes. You're always stuff to clean up on monday. There's not enough. There's not as much to clean up on monday this week that there was last week and i think they'll they'll feel good about that when they turned the film on. There's gonna be some things with henry ruggs than others but yeah it's just a week to week basis on what you have to clean up. There's no no not perfect. Everyone puts on the film knows what things they have to do. Better but i think again as john grinalds algorithm East coast after the performance ahead. Last week you go back and you get away with the road win. You don't make you know you don't apologize you don't you. Don't apologize for road winds and especially going back east again There's things for them to clean up. They have to get better. But i'll tell you what getting on that plane. The difference between seven and five and six and six imperative to who. You're fighting for playoff berths. A huge huge difference. And like we're talking about these playoff berths here culture necks than the chargers as a divisional game on a short week. No less and then the dolphins after christmas day so this is going to be three games down there that they really have to make sure that they play clean football that they do the right things in because every single one of those is a really really important game for this team So ed i want to ask on your grades this week. What was the highest grade. You gave out and to what position. We'll it's usually one of the highest rates. Let's totally screw things up that special teams obviously because Actually aj goal. I thought did well. He had to inside. The danny woodhead a third and carlson To the main parts of the game I gave the offense of be a you you you have to run the ball somewhat to get a name but i thought car played really really well and for the defense. I gave him a b. minus. I'll go to my original point about the defense for them for their standard level. People might think they need a little higher grade but again they gave up over two hundred yards rushing to a team to second and third running backs. I'm sure most people didn't know who they who they were armed. You know what. I gave it eight coaching a kinda. I don't hug the raiders are. I don't I lost forty three to six and they needed a last second play. Beat an eleven team now again. I will go back to my point of you. Don't apologize for winning especially on the road but be better. The team the played last week in this week will not beat the colts next week. And i think they know that. So if they can as you said cleanup they need to clean up and get better than they'll have a chance to win that game but they will not beat the colts. The team that played today and last week won't beat the colts so they're gonna have to get people healthy and i got to play better which we've seen them play really really well at allegiance stadium. We remember some of those gains and they're going to have to get back to that level because you've got teams fighting for their playoff lives now and people are going to bring it every place. Well the one good thing for the jets that came out of this game is maybe they are still in the trevor lawrence race. The because They sell jacksonville to contend with. You know a jacksonville. Still only with one win. The jets winless so they. That's something i guess. If you wanna look at posits them. They came out of that For the raiders. The best positive is that They showed that they can fight back from adversity. and i think that was the main storyline at this game. We saw it with rugs. We saw it With just being able to overcome in those final thirty nine seconds and set up the plays that they needed coaching as well for that for that stretch. so yeah i mean that was When that i went onto twitter afterward at an iso- hope those raider fans are all right out there that they're returning to you know having their heartbeat normal like that was crazy game. You and i joked before he came on here with that defense of the jets was now. Lafley was trevor lawrence defense as if to say we. Trevor lawrence really really bad. Let's man defense rugs for no reason. Let's bring the house for no reason. And then they can score then. Okay we still in the trevor lawrence league unit for all the people that might believe that. That is true. Does that take away at all. From the raiders. Wendy thank and henry rex's redemption no. Nothing takes from winning on the road. They the raiders. Just need to worry about the raiders. worry about what the jets are doing or we're trevor. Lawrence is going. The raiders need to worry about the fact. They got seventy five. They've won as many games this year as they did all of last year. And you're the go. Now they've got four left To try to get in there and then and they gotta play better to do it and gruden says it all the time that they have things cleanup. They have to be better but they're in it. There's no question after twelve games. They're in it. And i think for them that's a good thing all right last thing before we walk away ed. We talked about our net. But we didn't talk about his status after suffering a concussion against atlanta and then again in this game and then you see the already depleted secondary have jeff heath come out of the game. How important is it that they also get healthy at the right time and is there any player on the secondary right now that you think could make an impact if you know they play if they play into a position in the coming game. Well i mean if he plays correctly. It's jonathan abraham missed the game with a knee but again is that the good jonathan haber murs at the badwin taking bad angles making mistakes and blowing coverages. We don't know and you have to take a little bit of both with jonathan abram. You're always going to get a little bit of both him. But i think he is a dynamic player to where you want them in there. If he's healthy knee again like ankle can be bothersome. Damon are not. we're to see heidi. He had the e. went concussion. Last week came back in the rest. Took him off the field and on the second play again today. He goes into frank gore helmet easy to get to learn how to tackle differently or keep his head out of the way. I will not be surprised if he misses a week. That's two straight now with concussion symptoms at some point someone's gonna put him down And sit down and say hey we gotta wait a week or so. Those things can get a little older. So we'll see what they say when gruden updates on wednesday on his condition don't be completely shocked that he would miss week. Concussion was bad this time but if you're asking who they really need. We'll stick with jonathan abrams. Because i think you know he's dynamic and he just learned to play to control fairy true. I agree with that sentiment. Ed and that'll do it for us here on the vegas nation. Podcast for the post game edition with greeny and heidi fan. You can keep up with everything that we're doing in print ad has some stuff as you mentioned. They're coming out in. Monday's paper catch all his grades. And all of that on vegas nation dot com and by downloading the vegas nation app. Make sure to hit. Subscribe wherever you listen. Everybody at an atom had a great show. we do. Miss arkham padre there. He'll hopefully get back in the mix with us next week as he is. Battling a covid. Nineteen right now. And we're hoping adam you get healthy out there at an atom show. Unsportsmanlike conduct detailed. Everything that he's been going through on friday so make sure to check that out and my show becoming out wednesday takeaways when i interview I will have somebody great for you. I have a couple of people lined up. I'm not sure which one i'm going to run this week. So i'm gonna let you guys. Maybe i'll put out a poll and that you vote on it and then after that we have a first and ten tomorrow morning. Any bunsen urine. Sample gordon bilby out as well talking about this game and giving their takes on it so make sure to check out all of the things that we're doing under the free podcast tab on biggest nation dot com for ed grainy. I'm heidi thank you. Everybody for listening. If you've been injured in an accident you need the right team on your side. Ashley is a former insurance defense attorney. Who knows. 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First and 10: Raiders win big in Cleveland over the Browns 16-6

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

24:20 min | 1 year ago

First and 10: Raiders win big in Cleveland over the Browns 16-6

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I'm lisa leslie and we're very excited to tell you about our new podcast with blue wire front and center. Listen i are breaking down. What's going on our lives in the world and keep it at one hundred. We're also learning from amazing guests as well like emmanuel acho people that show loved me at forever got their a fox if the foundation is right than the rest of it's gonna go wrong in more described a front and center today. You're listening to vegas nation. It's monday which means it's time for first and ten with your host vinnie bonsignore and sam. Gordon what is going on reiter nation. Welcome back to vegas nation. First and ten year. Monday go-to for raider news and analysis and as he talked to you today coming off a a really big win over the cleveland browns. Sixteen to six and snowy rainy sleet hail wind. Every kind of weather condition that you can possibly think of. There's actually some sunshine there yesterday. in cleveland. But the raiders prevailed. They found a way to beat a pretty good team and stayed definitely in the playoff hunt in conditions that they normally don't play very well in It was it was a big win for the raiders. And we're here to bring it to you On vegas nation. First and ten. Before i bring in my teammates. Sam gordon who's gonna break this game down along with me. Want to tell you that were brought to you by san menashe and presented by indeed and flavors shot favors shot dot com sam Not a bad win yesterday for the For the las. Vegas raiders amid some Unusual circumstances Losing trent brown right before the game. we'll get into a little bit of that As much as we know at this point They overcame conditions Rainy wet cold Everything you can possibly think of but still went in there and basically Impose their will on the on the cleveland browns With a sixty six win running more than two hundred yards. Josh jacobs got off a dark hair did a good job. Managing the game and the defense played pretty well. Not giving up a touchdown for the first time in a game since two thousand twelve. How you're doing and First impressions of what we saw yesterday. So first question for you before. We're going to get all that but first off to ask you. How much grapple did you get. Did you get hit with on sunday. How much rabble it was. It was a lot. There's a lot of different stuff going on out there and and no doubt about it. That is a word that i had never heard before Before the broadcast on sunday and they kept reiterating. Over and over. And over. And i thought What is garoppolo. So i look up the hell. Is that what they're called haley's as or something. Yeah yeah. I guess that's what it's called soft snow pellets. It's a new word into the weather. Kind of lexicon. I'm perusing the the web here. In washington post actually did a big story on crop will in december of hines or their lo and behold crop will the lo and behold the raiders. Door to play grapple. Yes yesterday do vinnie. I was. I was impressed. I was thoroughly impressed. Felt to me like an old school football game yet. right in. was you got the wind blowing. You've got the grapple. All over football field rains l. Whatever you wanna call it and this was you know strap on your pats smashmouth who. Who's going to control the line of scrimmage who's going to make fewer mistakes and who's going to execute on third and one fourth and one big place Situations like that and frankly. It was the raiders. The raiders made the key. Plays was nothing pretty about it. Now one thing pretty about it at all but it they play smashmouth football and i want to give you credit. I want to open the show by giving you your credit. You called last week. you predicted. We're confident you said. This was the week. Josh jacobs is going to go. And he's going to rush for hundred yards in cleveland. They need him to get going. And you were very very Poised and your prediction came true. It came to fruition. Josh jacobs exceed one hundred yards and was really the word quarterback that we saw last season. He gets a ton of credit for me. And i'm sure from everybody else who watched the game. He kept those sticks. Moving kept that browns defense on the field and was partially responsible for four consecutive drives vinny that lasted twelve plays or longer four consecutive. Drives in games. Like this weather like this. You've got control crack. You got to control the pace of play. And the raiders. Did that with more than thirty. Seven minutes time of possession. It was a fantastic road. Victory for the raiders and all of a sudden your four three with the fourth easiest strength of schedule based on opponents winning percentage the rest of the way it was a very very workmanlike victory yet. No question about it. and you're right. i was right. I was poised. I did make that prediction. I if i remember correctly it wasn't boys. When i said i was kind of excited so But yeah i was. I was i was excitably poised there. You go that works. But yeah i just felt like i just honestly felt like Now first of all. I thought brown was gonna play We don't know as of the time that we did the taping of this Of this podcast sir. Reports out there On something to have. What i do know is this You know derek carr was concerned enough to you know. Get the team to go settle To say a little prayer mean he saw He said he talked about yesterday. After the game. About seeing trump brown getting wheeled out of the locker basically. So you knew something was up We'll try to get to the bottom of all that And first and foremost we are all our best wishes to trepp. Round for whatever happened You know a speedy recovery but you know life side set to the side. Football wise You know the raiders literally thought that he was gonna play it and so did i So to not. Have trent brown and then to lose samyong again which is becoming a recurring theme with the backup. Right tackle and then having to go with brandon parker at right tackle against a pretty good defensive front for the raiders to run for two hundred yards more than two hundred yards For josh jacobs to to go for what about buck. Twenty eight and keep the chains moving Hack darkar ran for over forty yards including A really important eighteen yard Zone read run option Run pass option that he His shoulder and got to keep you know. Put the basically. Put the raiders and field goal position in order for daniel carlson to to essentially seal the win to put the raiders by the twenty four yard field goal You know I felt good about josh jacobs. I didn't know that they were going to be dealing with all those unusual circumstances. But i really like how. The raiders responded to everything that got thrown their way and a lot did get thrown their way but the resiliency and and managing navigating themselves to a win is pretty impressive. It's it's it's things that you look for for for from team you know. That's that's trying to fight its way. It's it's working through. Adversity is playing through. Adverse weather is playing through adversity with. Its playing on the road against a defense that is capable of forcing a lot of takeaways is one of the most opportunistic defenses in the nfl. Go in there. You don't turn the ball over you. Control the pace of play the patchwork offensive line. Does it again. And i think often coach tom cable in the entire offense of coaching staff really deserve a ton of props for for how. They've handled the situation all year as many as we talked about for just two months now dating back even a training camp. I mean it's been kind of a revolving door on that offensive. Line the unit. That you envisioned playing this season has hasn't played together. The season save for those three plays against carolina for trent brown exits with the caffeine. And yet they're still have a unit. That's effective enough to to win. At the line of scrimmage to to to keep derek carr mostly clean. He was only sacked twice on on sunday. That was against the defense that features myles garrett who was the nfl leader in sacks. Coming into sunday's game. He got a little bit banged up. We don't know what's going on with him but nonetheless he was out there for part of the game and the offensive line was tremendous job. Prenton park or credit e- Is still figuring out how to play in the nfl and for him to to step in as the third string tackle and to produce in a big road win a crucial road wind at has an effect on the standings here possible tiebreaker implications positions. The raiders even better in that wildcard chase. That's really gonna get exciting here in the second half of the season It was it was it was a really really a fantastic performance by your offensive line when factor in those circumstances and they get absolut absolutely a ton of credit and Really vinnie. i didn't. I didn't expect i really expect that when i found out. Trump brown wasn't planned before the game. I was like oh okay. What's happening here. What's going on here. This this hurts is josh jacobs gonna get is he gonna is going to be a way for him to find his footing without his big right. Tackle sure enough. There was with a different big right. Tackle two hundred yards rushing forty five carries for that team as a unit thought. Devante booker did some good things. Coming in. the game. Five carries twenty nine yards also had a big third down recession that set up a fourth down successful fourth down conversion The raiders have to feel really good about how they played in the have to feel really good about the way their defense played. I know the conditions. The adverse conditions affected the browns. But what in fact that. The raiders to in the raiders found a way to put up ten more points than the browns did. The defense was tremendous. 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Not if they wanna make a serious run at the playoffs. that's a lot of ground to cover up. They leave cleveland with four and three record. And the browns are now sitting at five and three having played one extra game Than the raiders. So they they they keep the browns within within arm's distance of them I think they got back to their roots. A little bit Jon gruden has talked extensively about wanting to be a ball control running team That chews up. Clock keeps the other teams offense on the other line on the other side of the The other sideline sitting there on the on the sideline rather than out on the field to help the defense a little bit. gives you know. Derek carr better chances when you're running the ball successfully to then use the play action pass. That really wasn't a big part of the game plan on sunday. Because i i mean. I kid you not. It was windy man. It was always the out there And cold and wet and everything like that so You were better off doing what they did. Which is being safe with it and running it and ensuring o'clock but that's a recipe a winning recipe a winning blueprint For the raiders to follow You know moving forward and they're gonna play some more games where the conditions are called. They have to go to new york by the jets. This ought to play the denver broncos in denver It's going to be as cold if not colder at that. When they play those two teams such know that you can go in and and you know pack a lunch pail and put on your hard hat and get after it and be able to still be able to win doing things like that Not just that just really breeds a lot of a lot of confidence in your right. I thought the defense played much better. They seemed active They seemed aggressive aggressive early in the game with three offsides penalties. I'd that's what. I knew that the there were geeked up. And you know They had pretty much gotten after in practice they were raring to go a right from the from the get go and sometimes you got to contain that a little bit better and control that a little bit better But they lived to survive riyal sides penalties. I think i'm the very first Opening driver or within the first five or six players are so you know three sides. They're jumping off sides so there are a little antsy but in a good way and You know and i saw a little bit. Yes some of the Blitzes they blitzed. It seemed like a look at the numbers you know when we get a chance to but it seemed like they blitzed a lot more. They're playing closer coverage with their cornerbacks up in up in wide receiver spaces So there was. We saw some different. Says they promised some differences that some different looks and some different personnel groupings. We certainly saw arden key. Didn't dress You know that that's probably you know we'll see where that's all headed But you know they put together a complete performance and when they've done that this year They've won four games. You know It's when they don't that they that they really hurt themselves. But i thought that this was one of those performances games where a lot of inspiration to drop furnace on a percent and one thing The raiders got back to. I mean say for those. Those offside penalties and beginning the game. Like you said the three bang bang. Bang the that success off the hard count baker mayfield. Coun- are they finished the game. Five penalties twenty five yards. You can live with that. That is not. they did not beat themselves penalties. They did not beat themselves turnovers. They didn't allow any big place. There was no big chunk plays. You didn't see receivers streaking wide. Open all over the field. They weren't these massive massive running lanes of the cleveland. Browns average one hundred fifty seven yards per game on the ground over the course of their first seven holding one That that number will do the cleveland. Browns had forced fourteen turnovers fourteen takeaways through the first seven games. They didn't take the ball away. The it was really. I mean given the conditions. I don't think you could have asked for a better performance. There i did not again. I was watching the game on the broadcast on television. You were at the stadium in cleveland. I didn't see anything from the broadcast. Was like oh. This is a huge mistake. By the raiders. Out this is. This is the raiders doing. Be in the raiders again with with a with the big mistakes that the big airs those those did not exist. On sunday they played a complete football game. Felt like they had a game plan in place. On both sides of the ball they executed it and the results are sixteen six victory all of a sudden. You're foreign three. It looks like you're on on the way with defense a little bit. We still need to see more. We still need a bigger sample size. And i cannot speak to how important it is each run game going up. Derek carr we know he was tremendous over the first six games of the season. We know that that you don't wanna have to ask him to three hundred and three touchdowns every single week to be in the game in. This was a game where finally there wasn't a ton of pressure on him and the place that he needed to make none bigger than that zone. Read that you mentioned. He was able to make he was able to find hunter. Renfrow in the slot for that touchdown that t go ahead touchdown to make making a thirteen six game. He was able to find. Darren waller on third downs. He was able to get the ball where it needed to go and when there was nowhere to go with it he was able to get rid of it. No harm no foul and move forward. It was a it was a very very thorough old school victory and now the the key is. Can you take away the positives from that in integrate. They're moving forward while getting back to your explosive passing offense while getting back to Nelson agholor in henry. Ruggs make a big plays in. Darren waller getting down sealed if you can that. I think really onto something in terms of this wild card race. Yeah and i think that they will be. I think that those conditions were it was. I mean yeah it. The wind y you we saw. I mean You know henry. Ruggs was wide open and And and the wind put the ball on author. Their cars arm. It was a roller coaster. Ride so You know he's gonna miss like that ever. You know what. I'm saying like like that was when that was wind. Fact so i think that they they realized you know instead of just throwing it up there and letting you know the win wreak kavak and who knows whose hands is gonna fall into after the wind did it saying they went to a short passing game and a house primarily running game and out. Muscled The cleveland browns. I think that when they get back home Starting while this week. They'll go to to los angeles to s-o-f-i stadium so great conditions to play indoors at s-o-f-i united. They'll get back to to what they also like to do as a complement to that running game and really how it all kinda works. You know you get that running game going. That opens things up. Downfield i see. I think you'll start seeing more of that again. Once they play in better conditions but You know before we get out. We'll talk about. Derek carr for sure played a solid game gave us and teammates Almost a heart attack a couple times on some of those runs. You know where he didn't slide he. Kinda lowered is lower to show learn and to get extra yards. Jon gruden talked about it afterwards. Saying you know You're basically what you not get down you know and Yes and derek was laughing. He's like everyone was bad. Because i wasn't doing the slide but it showed You know that that he was willing to go the distance to to get some extra yards. What i really liked about that was him showing that run now in all those runs was every single. One of them was hugely important in some form or fashion either getting a first down or making up ground or whatever the case might be but they were there really influential plays in the whole scheme of things. i know. it's only forty three yards but but man eleven yards. One was eighteen yards to keep the chains moving when with a quarterback who doesn't normally run if he can just continue to do that. Timely wise That just adds a whole bunch to this raiders. Offense so You know a kudos definitely to derek carr for you know. Even though he wasn't throwing the ball that much he was still figuring out a way Whether it was with the running his running. Or just getting the raiders into the right. 'cause there was a lot of audibles going. On at the line of scrimmage. I thought he managed the game from that vantage point really really well And as a result again the clearly they. The las vegas raiders. Leave cleveland with a huge win. The right in the thick of the playoff on the schedule gets easier There's something to build on for the defense something to build on the running game At some point at some point they're going to get healthy with damon are net coming back bryan edwards. Going back Hopefully jeff brown comes back. Richie incognito comes back At some point it's all going to be there for them In terms of their personnel. And it'll be interesting to see where they can go with that but As we mentioned next week. It's the los angeles chargers at sofi stadium of course salmon. I will be here to talk about it monday morning. Monday afternoon is usually when when our podcasts. I get put out there But i wanna thank. Sam Thank you obviously. 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Prototype Series - Quarterbacks

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

1:23:13 hr | 2 years ago

Prototype Series - Quarterbacks

"Now move the sticks with daniel jeremiah and bucky brooks all right block i'm fired up for this episode today focusing on the most important position forget football in all of sports the quarterback position and we have got some phenomenal guest lined up today we have outstanding gas we have hall of famer kurt warner joining us david car the former number one overall pick in my coach coach mike holmgren the super bowl winner who is also meant to what eight a lot of top level quarterback we have really a bonanza when it comes to quarterback knowledge i can't wait to share some insight did they shared with us on this podcast and if you're just checking out the prototype sears we already have one episode this up a that is the running back position you could find that nfl dot com slash podcast to your favorite podcast app and you can check us out there on twitter find us on twitter a move the sticks bookie at bucky brooks will be constantly feeding information where you could find the next episodes of this series in the prototype serious were taking one position per episode were talking to great gas a bucket myself also going through telling you what we look at when we evaluate the position in the book we wrap up after initial discussion talking to all these guests we try and come up with who we believe is the prototype at the position in today's nfl so a lot of ground to cover these episodes lot of ground to cover and i'm excited man let's just get right to it brady takes the shotgun snap the jets with the ball that like brady pressured rolls to his right john dorsey three drops back throws sector first you're lucky if he set out of the gun drop this simon the market's gonna baseball attorneys way out of trouble the left side looking looking in the end zone buyers touchdown toss the homes clean pocket throwing lawyer wants to touch the so let's jump in here looking at the quarterback position i say we start off at the top a we were looking for in a the most important attribute we could go through a list of things were looking for kind of are many checklist but if we're gonna start just one buck where do you start first thing for me is football intelligence a we talk about the quarterback position being the most important in all of sports what is allowed the process when you're the quarterback you having to deal with so much information that is that you're dispose you gotta take in the play call you gotta said the protection you gotta know what the play is you have to know who is moving if there's any emotion involved you have to know the concepts you have to be adjustments based on the defensive front end the coverage and you have to do all of that while game is moving at a million miles an hour i just believe that you have to have a special kind of intelligence to be able to play the position in no matter how talented you are if you're not right from the neck up it is hard to play well in the national football league at that position without a level of football intelligence nuts a good way to look at it i i did a study and i've referenced it previously but i did a study when i was with the baltimore ravens went back and looked at all the hall of fame quarterback now obviously this is different areas the game has morphed and changed and involved but i tried to find you know what they all had in common in what i noticed in discovered was all different sizes some guys with huge arm some guys didn't have big arm strength some guys were i mean even some guys were extremely accurate some guys at work as accurate 'em but one thing that they all had in common book which poise a that was the defining trait that i had in each and every one of them and how china defined poise give me a little bit difficult in the scouting process but the way i describe it i showed a clip of tom brady playing in the snow and there was a rush coming around him there's no all over the ground his head was always up eyes were always up calmly sliding shuffling in moving within the pocket get an delivering the ball where it needed to go on time in the perfect spot in amidst all the chaos because the game is a cluttered game it's a cluttered pocket you have to be able to function what in all that craziness and not just with the people around you but also you're in opposing stadiums you've got whether you've got all different scenarios guys hey guy runs the wrong rout what kind of poise you have a third and seven do you have the poison the communist to be able to be able to reach the defense and make the correct decision that's how i define the word poison and it's kind of one of those things you know when you see it fucking every great quarterback has every quarterback does have the boys i i kinda equated to being able to play in it with a quiet mine in the mist of chaos so everything around the may be going a hundred miles an hour but they're able to kind of play on their own speed and they're not rattled by what is going on situation and circumstance doesn't change the way they play i think the final trade for me when i'm looking at quarterback we talked about football intelligence you talked about poise but then i believe it comes down to accuracy in decision making can you put the ball in the right spot when it needs to be there and can you make good decisions you have a where we talked about you have the teams fate in your hand when you're the quarterback because you're the guy the touch the ball on every down so what you do with it really really matter so you're judgment the decisions that you make with the ball really determines whether the team wins or loses that's a lot of responsibility so taking care of the ball being a great decision maker in being able to throw the ball exactly what you want it i believe the quarterbacks have to be able to do those couple of things to be successful in the league my big three i start with poise decision making accuracy will get a chance to discuss that a little bit later on with david carr also now you're gonna enjoy our conversation with mike holmgren coach mike gives you a affectionately call him a block nobody knows more about the quarterback position is had more success over the years then mike holmgren you're gonna enjoy that conversation but first up it's are conversation with the hall of famer kurt warner in a trust me buck the folks they're gonna enjoy this because kurt offers tremendous insight and what makes a great quarterback and how do identify the flight recorder warner factor throw rainbow the far sideline lebanese saint louis rams are champion of the world my first question for you a right out the shoot here is a you took their last nap in two thousand nine and where we are in two thousand eighteen a lot of things have changed at the quarterback position but i wanna start with what is the same what what what's the value then there continues to be extremely value today well i mean i think the game from the standpoint of what you're asking a quarterback to do an what's most important how do you play in the big moment how do you play third down situations in the red zone when the game is on the line all those things will never change it's the most important position in sports the most important position in are games at those things will never change i think how you get to those points a has changed quite a bit you know so much more throwing at the line of scrimmage so much more run pass option so much more wide receiver screen i mean you've got receivers sievers a you know back when i played that if they got six or seven targets the game that was a great game i mean now if you do get anything short of twelve or thirteen targets because half of the line of scrimmage and i think that's where the game is change there's so many more balls being thrown within five yards of the line of scrimmage but i still think what makes a great quarterback what makes a difference maker what what makes a franchise guy stays the same and that's how you play in critical moments throughout the course of a game you know you're talking about critical moments in how you perform in big moments i think that speaks to a player's a mental toughness when you're looking at quarterback how are you able to judge or evaluate quarterbacks mental toughness 'em well i mean i think there's there's numerous different things you know we just kind of mentioned it there you're right thi ability win the game is on the line ability when you're you're late in downs or you're late in the game and you find yourself down how do you play in those moments i think the other thing when you look at mental toughness is a v ability to bounce back from a mistake you know there's certain guys that make a mistake and then they play afraid of making another mistake there's other great quarterbacks and make a mistake and just say i'm not gonna make another one but i'm not gonna let it changed the way i play the game and i think a great example is a you look back to that monday night game between the rams and the chiefs 'em last year annual fifty whatever the fifty whatever a patrick mahomes throws numerous interceptions exceptions in a lot of times i think people watch that and go oh my gosh he is through another one it's like stop stop waiting and start throwing it around then i look at that and i go that's the kind of guy one you know they're gonna have games when they throw five and six interceptions but they're not afraid to throw five or six interceptions they're not gonna stop swinging just because they've minister because they're having an off game and i think that's a big part of the mental toughness that no matter what has gone wrong up to this point i could still make the next i will still find a way to get the job done and get are team in position to win i think that's a big factor when you're talking about mental toughness and i love that i love that whole answer there i wanna go in the scouting process we after not only you're you're what you see on the field is trying to talk to you sources when you go in school and you're trying to learn about these players and one of the parts of the report you gotta put their athletic background and i know you loved hoop i know you're a great basketball player in just kind of looking at this thing and doing a little research matt ryan sam donald tony romo ben rothlisberger andrew luck these guys were all phenomenal basketball players so if you're trying to find a correlation and what carries over from the quarterback position now what did they take from the basketball court what is that connection well i mean i think so much of the position is understanding guys around you you understanding what you're seeing understanding movement 'em so that to me is part of why love playing basketball because it's not so much the physical side of it you know can i jump higher cannot shoot better than any other guy but can i save them you know when i watch a defender and how they're playing do i know how come off a screen or where i need the go to get the ball and so i think there's that spatial awareness that is so important for quarterback is trying to see as many people owned the playing field at one time understanding slight movement and understanding the kind of movement you know i talked to you i coach young quarterbacks coach in high school and i'm always talking to them about what it means to rita guy in what it means for hey guys it'd be opening oftentimes when you're talking high school guys they simply see the corner out there and they go well the corner was in position an i always try to take it to the next level okay where were the hips of the corner did this on the corner turn back to the line of scrimmage because if they did he's got no chance attorney get the throw behind him escapes rovan now you gotta take the throw underneath because he's in a position to fall back and so i think anything you could do athletically to learn about spatial awareness and we're guys are and how their position affects what they can and cannot do a can help any player at any position but specifically a quarterback an you know that was one of the things that that i always loved about basketball is figuring out where everybody was and how they were moving i think the other thing is you know a lot of people look at me in and they'll look and say that guy say non athlete you know the he has no athletic ability can i look at athletic ability a lot different than a lot of people maybe that's because i'm slow and i can't job but i look at it from the standpoint that it's their ability to control your body in certain spaces to do what do you wanna do in you you mentioned some guys like tony romo 'em tony romo was a great athlete for quarterback he had the ability to to move and manipulate the pocket in by time you know and understand how to move a to create a little bit of separation and then they ability to make throws in different positions and you know when you play basketball it's not always you know like in even if you don't get the always dropback five steps and have a perfect pocket step into you're throwing make it you know when you're playing basketball it's not always oh wide open up standing outside the three point line and i could just shoot a three after have the ability to maneuver your body and make throws from different positions and i think any other sport where you have to do that i think it's why you know cuyler murray in a patrick mahomes things are so good at making those off schedule off balance those 'cause they play baseball you play baseball how often do you catch the ball and be able to take you're crow hopping throw it most times you run into you're laughing at the back in you bodies out of position and so they ability to learn how to control your body and make throws in different positions or do anything athletic in different positions i think it's very key and it's something that that you learn a lot when you're playing basketball you know you speak to the importance of having f lettuces them at the position and they were talking about movement skills and the like but we've seen an influx of these super athletes that are kind of kind of coming into the league playing the quarterback position is different in a quarterback that we've traditionally sane when you look at do a threat throwers or playmakers like lamar jackson electric collar murray was the biggest adjustment that those guys have to make to being able to play the game successfully in the nfl i think the biggest justin i see with a lot of these athletic quarterback says they've gotten so far you know when i was playing you know you're athleticism would take you to you know maybe junior senior in high school maybe freshmen in college and then at some point it was like okay that's gone now you gotta play quarterback these guys are such great athletes they get farther and farther and farther sometimes all the way to the nfl simply based on athletic ability in they don't learn how to play the quarterback position the nuances of the quarterback position until much later and sometimes once they get into the nfl so i believe the biggest transition as i watch a lot of these great athletes in playmakers play the position its ability to understand what they're seeing in getting the ball out on time time consistently you know it's the things that are we say and he gets any nfl level you have to be able to and you mentioned it earlier book you gotta be able to make the playoffs you know you gotta be able to see in make the throws that you're supposed to make nearly every single time in that could be a simple slant ralph but it's about throwing it on time it's about thrown against the right coverage and what i often see with a lot of these athletes is there a little bit behind in seeing anticipating and making those quick decisions because i think they've always relied on i could take a little bit longer make sure i see it if it doesn't happen then i could just create but they miss a lot of easy things and things that can make the game or the situation easier for them because they're a little bit behind timing wise is probably the biggest thing i see from just playing the quarterback position for a lot of these young athletes that leads me perfectly to the next the next question here kurt first of all and just throw out some numbers here and how the game's changed i'm gonna let you listen to a little clip from a former teammate coach of yours and i wanna get you're a reaction to it but we always talk about on the podcast the difference between a ball placement completion percentage can be two totally different things and i give me an example you're last year in two thousand nine you completed sixty six point one percent of their passes is eight quarterbacks in the nfl completed sixty five percent or greater this last year in two thousand eighteen nineteen quarterbacks completed sixty five percent or greater if we go to the college game in two thousand nine fourteen quarterbacks over sixty five percent in two thousand eighteen twenty four quarterbacks over sixty five percent so i don't know the people are getting a more accurate i think the throws you're getting a little easier but you touched on anticipation and importance of it and i want you to listen to a former teammate here as well is he former coaches torry hold it mike martz talking about kurt warner when it comes to anticipation timing inaccuracy around with that twenty two yards in the balls to be thrown two yard inside the numbers dropped back encloses a in a ball thrown two yards inside the numbers just guy why you don't see guys he's five yards from his breaking point shows you turn the ball hit him right in the chest it's a mess through i've ever seen in football the best i've ever seen by anybody i know the exact throw the mike martz is talking about their a there was a blitz buddy other team the guy was coming scott free 'em and it was the beginning around you know people say the began the twenty two yard in twenty twenty two yard in the tory was talking about with the house built my house a weed through that from every direction to everybody on the football field 'em but you talk about that timing is mike martz with a stickler of here's you're drop it's a quick hitch let the ball go i was fortunate to have guys like guys ican tori that were so good at being exactly where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there that we developed crazy sense of timing so that play mike was talking about linebacker coming free i knew he was coming free in a lot of signs in those situations you kinda gotta dump it off to the flat or the quick hot not a twenty two yard in rout a but i just knew that i know i think's it's gonna be there on hold until the last second i put a little more lost on it then then i normally did so they hit and all i did was way the here 'cause i knew it was either gonna be a big blue or a screen because the ball was going right at the safe and sure enough i think does what he always does any hits his mark and he comes breaking in in a and makes the catch and gives us a big play in the crowd goes nuts but you know is what we were built on it was what we were all about and i was so fortunate that i got myself into that dolphins you know a lot of people ask how did you have so much success early will be all fence and what mike martz did any idea but timing in anticipation it just fit my skill set you know i could have been in a lot of different offices that didn't fit me quite as well but what we did and what mike harped on what the guys we had around us 'em it just fits my skill set it and you know he's prided myself on being able to anticipate and you're talking about that spatial awareness knowing where guys can get to end where they can't get to where the whole in the defense is so why could let the ball go as early as i needed to knowing that there was no defender able to get to that point you know church in sticking with the theme in talking about anticipation a if you could pick a trait for quarterback quarterback would you rather have a guy with a strong arm or guy who is able to throw within just a patient oh yeah it's not even a question i i don't even consider arm strength in really anything you know there there's one factor when arm strength and i believe you have to be able to make certain throws off schedule with their feet not in place to become great at the nfl level so you have to have a certain level of arm strength but without question bucky it's anticipation inaccuracy because it doesn't matter how strong arm is if you know windows throw it in where the throw it in more importantly where the defense can't get to a you're always going to be more successful than if you have to wait another second see come open and and then try to rip it you're gonna have more problems that way no matter how strange stronger arm is a then if you have the ability to see things ahead of time anticipate a throw so in thinking about that when we look at these quarterbacks that are coming out of college and we're breaking them down and we're talking about guys up certain things they can improve on when they get to the pros can you improve you insist the patient in time it or is that something that you just either you have it or you don't have it i yeah that's always a hard one when you're a guy that has it's a it's hard to say i did i learn it did i always have a sense of that again i think a lot of times it has to do with playing a lot of sports and being in a lot of different situation being able to anticipate a lot of different things but i do believe there's ways to work on it but a lot of it comes down to trust as much as anything trusting what you see you know trusting what you know in terms of the movement of a defense trusting the guys that you were throwing too i think a a lot of situations you don't get the throw the bang eight a hundred times and so you gotta know when that guy hits his fourth outside foot he is gonna stick it and he is gonna go to a certain point so i could hit my staff and i could let the ball go and and so a lot of that anticipation comes down to can you be with the same guys run the same plays against the same looks enough that you could build from where you're at right now some guys i believe just have an extra sense of anticipation but i do believe there's ways to do it but it takes a whole bunch of trust and i think the more chance you get the b with guys for a longer period of time the better chance you have of developing a little more anticipation with those types of players i wanna stay on this subject i know were were going long on this aspect of the position but there's nothing more important when you're talking about anticipation timing and accuracy in kurt you know now that you you go on the recor talking about these college quarterbacks as we do and i'm sure you hear from a lot of same folks on social media that we hear about but but look at his stats look at his completion percentage we talk about not scouting the box score but can you explain the folks that could hear from hall of famer the difference between completions in ball placement yeah no question i mean to me you could talk about completions where you talk about accuracy in timmy accuracy was always be ability the put the ball exactly where it needed to be free rizzi receiver to make the catch it and sometimes that was you got tight coverage on the inside shoulder can i put it on the outside shoulder so we get a four yard completion instead of that guy knocking down or if you know a guy running a shallow rather that's a four yard rout do i put it one step in front of him so we can make the catch an attorney continue to go somewhere with it some time it's there's a fender running out in front of him so i gotta put it on their back shoulder a you know it's those kinds of things when i think about accuracy and you're right a lot of people will look at numbers and say well he completed this percentage of his passes and i'm always watching games going man because that guy i've got an extra three yards four yards five yards if that ball was in better position i don't think there's anybody better in the league and obviously the stats speak to that too is drew brees when you watch him play his ability to control the football even on deeper throws in that really becomes timmy the the biggest thing is that far they get down the field the tougher it is to be accurate as we talk about the put it on a bad shoulder they keep one foot in front of you know we used to talk about you know twentythree yard in throws you wanna put it right on their face mask so they didn't have to extend they didn't have to go low it was right on their face mask so we could protect them if a safety was hitting them or linebacker was falling back 'em but yeah that that to me is the differences you could talk all you want about completion percentage timmy it's about are you putting your receiver in a position to protect himself to make sure she could make the catch the keep but away from the vendor or maybe more importantly v ability to run after catch we talk about receivers all the time and their ability to run after catch a big part of that in my opinion is the quarterback but they have playing with them that puts them in position tonight after losing step and not have to slow down to be able to catch things in stride and make guys miss and make plays after the catch you know you have the opportunity to play a lot of football before you get to the national football league and had a chance to really make it a plan any arena throwing the ball around the yard when you were collegian when you look at these quarterbacks that are coming into the league how important is it to have a reza made it does have a number of throws that allows you to really evaluate what they are as passers so you could reject what they will be at the next level i don't think there's any question that the more throws the more you have to evaluate the more situations a quarterback has been in a the better chance you have to evaluate them yes but but i think the better better handle you have on what kind of quarterback you're gonna get an a you know it's one of the hard things about evaluating these college guys you know very well i mean i want some of these college quarterbacks and i don't watch much of their tape as you guys do but i go through three or four games games where i'll see him throw bubble screens and go round and i'm thinking to myself and i don't know how to tell you how this is gonna project to the next level i mean it's person could be great anthony scrambled arable don't forget those ceram yeah right exactly so it's it's so hard because so much is predicated before the ball is even snapped in yeah of course at every level you know there's a level of pre snap reads and understanding where you're gonna go and where you're matchups are but it's at such a high level in college so much is determined beforehand that it really is hard for me to really kinda see forwarding okay when we put him into the nfl offense an you know you can't just base it off of my guys better than your guy or you know i got two guys out there will make that work and you actually after reads stuff a it is very difficult i give an example baker mayfield fermi was very difficult to scout two years ago 'em and you saw a lot more kinds of throws from baker so you knew he could throw the football a a lot of different ways but they had such a gadget all fence where you know lots of fakes over here and then a guy who's running wide open down the other side line and he throws then he gets a big touchdown and you're like well that's great but i don't know what that means i think everybody in the nfl could make that throw for touchdown what's it gonna be like when there's a guy on his back shoulder and you gotta make that throw you know or is getting pressure 'cause they can't stand in a huge pocket like a keiler murray did this year and he's got a standing there and deliver throwing so those things are hard to calculate when you have teams better better than most of the teams if they play their schemes better than most of the teams if they play and how is that gonna project when everything gets a little bit tighter in now you've got to just be a better football player in those you know little nuances over those small windows and you can't always project that it takes a little bit of time to see what they're gonna be at the nfl level no doubt kurt we've talked about we were looking for on the field now obviously a huge component is is what the makeup is like four players and leadership is a is a huge aspect of that in on the scouting side you're constantly trying to dig and talk to coaches and teammates to learn about them as leaders which kind of leads me into a little another sound bite here from one of your former teammates larry fitzgerald talking about situation he had which you and i want you to pick it up out of despite an end just kinda riff on the importance of leadership at the position depending on your personality he knows how to cute so if you're a guy they can't deal with being criticized and he's not gonna do what he's gonna parents you wanna but if you're a guy that needs to be jumped on they'll do that even though we jump on me so matter what the plan against seattle seahawks coastal one of yours i warned you get two hundred yards like her immediate about six more your caesars windsor it looked at me said in china will lose games or there's only one shoe a out i'll i'll never forget a that moment it's a veto 'cause you know i come here that arizona in you know it was about changing the culture about changing what we believe in what we were trying to accomplish and what was most important 'em an you know is a time period win seattle was pretty good with matt hasselbeck in kind of owned or division and we were trying to to take that next step in become that team a you know that would you know kind of own the division for awhile and so we're up in seattle a we're beat him late in the game in a yeah i remember you know one of the coaches came over to me first and said hey you know larry's he's close to a hundred yards in you know once again another ball over a hundred in i couldn't believe it i'm like here we are trying to just change this thing and get a win in in larry once they get two hundred yards so i became a little piece of my mind a whip and as i said it wasn't so much the point of yeah i didn't care if we got a hundred yards that in carefully through its delivery one more time it was simply just the mindset at that point in the game is that i want guys to forget about v individual at that point and you wanna think about what do we need to do to finish this game in get where were trying to go in and you know there's no better opportunities as a leader and then when one of your other leaders like larry i mean everybody looked up to larry and rightfully so the he plays the game the way he carries himself the face of the franchise in arizona but that was one of those opportunities that i saw when i was there and it's like oh this is perfect you know no vents the larry 'cause i know where it's gonna go out and do his job and is not necessarily a selfish office player but with a great opportunity to go okay let's use larry as an example so every young guy standing on the bench you know everybody that here's this story knows okay this is more about it doesn't matter if you're larry fitzgerald or fourth guy on the depth chart as a wide receiver it's not about the individual ever it's about what we're trying to accomplish is a team and i thought lyria mentioned something else early in that that soundbite when he said it's understanding how to talk to different people timmy leadership is not okay it's it's cookie cutter well this is how i leave this is what i'm going to do in each and every situation i don't think that's the case when you've got fifty two other guys in the locker room and everybody comes from a different place and everybody is motivated a different way leadership becomes about getting to know all of those individuals and what makes them tick how you're gonna get the best out of that individual and it might not be the same and you know what i realized about larry larry hated to be called out in front of his teammates yeah that was the one thing you know you wanna be that model guy always you know did the things the right way and so i always knew with larry that if i wanted him to change something that never do it again call amount of meeting column out in front of the young guys in and he hated it but what i knew he was gonna go fix it because he didn't wanna get a you know i kinda cold out that same way and then i had other receivers and other guys that i played with that you almost had the make every idea seemed like it was their idea you know go have a conversation where the put your arm around him and then eventually they would give you one of them they wanted them to get to and it was like oh man that is a great idea why don't you go do that from now on but they took ownership of it and when they took ownership of it you know they they were gonna go out and do that to the best of their ability in so that is a big part of leadership in my opinion especially in a locker room is figuring out what makes all these different guys pick and then pushing whatever that button is to make sure you get the best out of her final question for me i think you're the perfect person the answer this when you look at quarterback in the nfl landscape please explain to me what is the differences between a system quarterback in a franchise quarterback 'em well i mean first of all a i think all quarterbacks are system quarterback you know i mentioned it earlier that i got into the system with mike martz that just fit me to see you know i went to new york and you guys will know as well as anybody everybody thought it was awful lot like this guy can't play anymore but i found myself in a system that just didn't fit what i did now we found ways to win and make plays here and there but just didn't fit my skill set it in you know i often say this how many great quarterbacks do you know that if played and had great success in multiple systems i mean you could maybe count on one hand and a lot of a a lot of you would vary and go well maybe in a different place but they still ran the same type of system in that different place in it just doesn't happen because great quarterbacks are great because they find a system that place to their strengths and so that's why i believe all quarterbacks are a system quarterback is that you know you could give me a play in the west coast alvie could give three quarterbacks a place in the west coast offense in one quarterback would love it the next guy goes it's okay i could use it and then third guy go i hate that play i don't wanna run that play ever and it's a great way for the right guy but you have to find what fits you and so so i would start by saying i think all franchise quarterbacks are system quarterback back they they they play better with in a particular system and if they could find that system in stay in it you're going to see greatness you know drew brees tom brady i mean the list can go along with these guys stayed in one place for a long time they developed a system around themselves in that's why they were able to be great i mean i would never create a system or wanna stay in a system that didn't play to my strengths and you'd be swimming upstream all the time but then you know we all know there's also some quarterbacks that are franchise guys are guys that can carry the team with their right arm that could benefit from being in a great system being around great players having great coaches at put them in positions to succeed but never get to that point of being franchise type guy but i'm a firm believer that every quarterback is a system quarterback every great quarterback finds themselves great because they're surrounded by great players great coaches but they're in a system that fits what they do kurt last question for me we have we have a lot of decision makers around the nfl general managers a personnel director is a lot of scouts as well a lot of people that look to the shoulder aspiring scouts and wanna go in that field so if you're gonna give all these evaluators at the position you played at a hall of fame level if you could just giving one piece of advice when evaluating this position what would it be yeah i mean you guys know it's so hard to give one piece of advice for this position a but if i if i was giving them i mean one piece of i'm gonna give it to abide by the first one is always going to be how do they play in the moment how do they play in the biggest moment because to me of all the traits you want in a quarterback the biggest one is we need when we need him to make that throw for that play or that drive in that moment kenny do it in not everybody can do that so that's the first thing i would look at it look at those moments in games in their career and how did they play in the moment and then the second thing is i think it all comes down to decision making in decision making can be twofold for me it can be you know touchdowns interceptions as we see the the russell wilson aaron rodgers and how well they protect the football so they very seldom put their team in harm's way but i think this is you're making is also be ability to see and make the labs ability to make those throws they're supposed to make almost every time 'cause if you get a quarterback that can do that and could protect the football for you you're gonna be in a lot of games with opportunities to win you couple that with quarterbacks play well in the moment and then you're gonna have a chance me a championship team you're in you're out oh i have one question before you run one of the things i was thinking of were were were always just for my own personal sake but we're always trying to when you're talking to coaches and try and find out these you know as a kid loves you put in the time as he is he doing all these extra work 'em most guys you played was would you would you produce a notebook like when they're when you're watching tape throughout the week would you keep track of that particular no because one of the things i'm thinking of is a quarterback tells you hey i love the process and all that stuff okay well you're coming out here once you bring you know put you kept during the year i'd like to just look you know you kept yeah i i didn't necessarily have no books but like for me the way that i prepared every week was i mean we had or or game plan so i would have my doubts on my game plan but then i drew up every single play that was ever put in the game plan on my own you know someone they were the first and second down stuff i would draw up every play i mean sometimes be a hunter plays that withdrawal up you know i'd ride in my house i ride in my notes i'd ride in what i was doing on every covered so i always had notes 'em you know everything within are often say and that's what i i always find it fascinating when people say do you enjoy the process you because to me there's so many different things that go into that what does that mean like i didn't enjoy going out and dropping back a hundred times you know i i didn't enjoy that part of it you know and they all season of when i was a pro i very seldom picked up a football you know so i wasn't out there because the one thing i knew is i know how to throw a football i'm not gonna forget how to be accurate with the football so what i did is i went and played basketball or i went and worked my feet and i did the things that i wasn't necessarily good at in the off season so i think enjoying the process convene so many different things you know 'cause they all season to the process but i enjoyed once he gets his nose like give me in a room and let's talk about the wise and how you run stuff and who attacking and why were attacking that's what i love the hardest thing was how do you enjoy that process in the off season what do you do you know especially when you can't sit down with coaches in you can't go through stuff because so much of that process process has to be maybe on a board but on a field right with other guys i can't just simulator what i'm gonna see by foot and two receivers out there and calling out of her particular out in so that's the one thing i i think a good way to do that though the real quick what one thing is like if we're just trying to when you're talking to these kids right you're trying to learn about them i think what you're hitting on those a good point in terms of what is you're walk us through you're weekly process of of how you're getting ready fern opponent may mean you're not producer notes but just kind of tell me on one day i'm focused on this in and i'm gonna just in terms of how they prepare for the week because everybody's gonna say oh you know i i love it i'm passionate about it i take it seriously but there's there's gotta be a way we could try and find find out more get more information there yeah i'm but i think that's a great you know great way they go about it is what it is you're process because again you know you get guys that do it differently you know you'll ask people how much tape you watch and i always find that has a sticky subject because you know you hear all about peyton manning and how much tape he watches and how good he is before the snap then i remember early on in my career that i was watching you know table and the saints defense in i remember or you know watching a corner in you know team before me they threw a slant in the corner jumped the slant and picked it off you know and i remember that watching tape so i went in the game we call the slant and i drop back and throw this land and i get on my back foot and i hesitate and going okay so you're gonna jump this one and he didn't jump it i missed the slant because i was late because i watched the tape and i go well he did this last time i better be leery in so i became a guy that i watch tape i watched enough tape but i watch tape to get a sense of what the scheme was but i never want it to you based anything i will go you know one of the trust my eyes so everytime i got into a game it was never why some do this on tape or i expect them to do this i was the guy that wants to react and see and trust what i saw in and be able to anticipate off of that so i became a guy if you're talking about how much did you watch i would probably be a guy that said i didn't watch that much tape you know now again it's all relative i watched enough to get what i need like if you ask a guy that everybody's gonna say well i watch a lot of say well okay what exactly does that mean what do you watch for an you know another to go the next step is i i work with brock osweiler and we would come in and watch tape an we would watch tape in you know we talk about whatever and then all of a sudden bronx going up on the board and he goes well here i might do this and i might remaking it might change of protection and go over here and then i or i may go and i'm just like brock quit trying to be peyton manning you know he got so caught up in the process that he couldn't just go play because he was over thinking everything and it didn't play to a strange so he was watching too much tape for what he was as a player and handcuffed him out to be the player that he was and so again i i think it's fascinating because you have to figure out who the player is an as you said what strikes in those strange what do you do on a weekly basis to allow you to be successful on the field because you know what somebody does might be completely different than what i do but it was based on me knowing what i needed it you know other guys might not be as good as throwers is i was so they gotta go out there and they gotta work and they gotta throw more out than i did in off season mine was more making sure that my feet were better and i had a better feel in the pocket and had that pocket awareness that spatial awareness so i think they're great questions and you know maybe the biggest one is tell me who you are as a quarterback and how that relates to how you have to prepare that may be different than somebody else because knowing who you are as a player i think it's three fourths of the battle of knowing hotter go through the process that's fantastic makes a lot of that is awesome i love the mayor's fun guys anytime they want me i love talking ball block look you can't say kurt warner enough forgiving us a time today to to really dive in deep at the quarterback position and i don't even know where to start buckeye i think we both have pages full and notes of things we learned from that conversation yet it learned a ton from the hall of famer i i think his his points on a throwing with anticipation of resonate because so much of what we talked about in the run up to the draft and when we're evaluating quarterbacks aken you thought got open can you anticipate if you don't have outstanding arm talent kinney road west touched timing in anticipation so dear kurt explaining explain what it really is i think it should allow our listeners and everyone to kind of understand when i'm watching the game and i see a quarterback let the ball go well before the receivers that is break that's the kind of anticipation that you expect from franchise quarterbacks i love the connection in between basketball the way he saw are typically put it about justice spatial awareness we've talked a clay helton you sc coach about that before he's had a lot of success with point guards in high school sam donald being one of them and making that transition i think that's a great correlation between the hardwood as well as the grass there a at the quarterback position and the other thing that i took away buck is you know he he talked about his advice you would give value waiters and he talked about the fact of the big moments be important to the big moments and i feel like that's a point that you've consistently only harper gone on the move the sticks podcast for years about how do they play on the big stage that carries more weight it does kitty weighed in in we've talked about we talked about it a off line but when you think about like sam donald and somebody other quarterbacks but really were sam darnold a those big moments how did they play on the biggest and brightest stage is how they perform when everyone knows the ball in their hands the game is riding on the quarterback can the quarterback make plays and i'm a firm believer that look you're creatures of habit if you get used to making those plays at the lower levels you make those plays junior sent to the upper levels it's not a coincidence i think when we look at tom brady tom brady is so comfortable in those moments because he has done it time and time again throughout his career and so you know when he gets the ball in a few minutes situation in the playoff odds are that he's going to find a way to get the team into the end zone he's gonna make the right play he's going to be the catalyst to win a i just believe you have to see how gas performing the big stage because ultimately that's what they're gonna do in the big stage when they had the opportunity newly absolutely i i was really i again i just learning throughout this whole process what i love about this prototype series is were learning hopefully along with the listeners here as we go along still we're gonna talk to the bucky one of your former coaches there mike holmgren who knows a qb position as well as anyone but up next it's a quarterback it card david carr was the first overall pick and he owns recor it i don't know if many people know this you're gonna learn this when this conversation and he owns in nfl recor did i believe will never be broken a day first of all thank you so much for taking some time with us today i i guess i wanna go back to a to your process a leading up into the draft in when we're looking at from evaluated standpoint let's flip it and look at it from a player's standpoint k a what did you feel like maybe going into you're final year the fresno state that you need to show in order to prove that you're worthy of being the first overall pick or even a first round pick well it's interesting because as i think what i was trying to show and what they actually wanna see you're probably two different things you know like when you're when you're a college kid you you feel like it's all about the physical it's all about how hard i can throw the ball how much can i lift how fast can i run and you get caught up in that because that's what you that's what you are naturally just thrown into after last game as okay we gotta get ready to run fast in a straight line it who cares like you watch tom brady run and don't care yes so i i i didn't i didn't like i didn't really learn what was necessary until several you know really i mean several months later on in the nfl i figure out okay this it doesn't really matter on my forty was today they'll make the right decisions right to throw the ball row supposed to accurately on time so i think think that's the dilemma that they all have to kind of struggle with and i remember training with derek before his a drip before the draft him for all his workouts and i'm like this stuff is all great and we had a trainer we had one of my good buddies is training and run it in and going through all the drills i was like i gotta get you ready to play a football game like a a real nfl football game so it's it's what do you know about the dolphins what what can you decipher from what they're showing you and how could you make the appropriate decisions and throw the ball accurately on time and so in practice we would push not just completions but you know they were just out there with me and him and sort of receivers throw it is early as you possibly can like really push the envelope with timing right in and that's gonna help you i used to get caught up in i'll just wait a little bit longer throw harder right it's like it doesn't help you know when you're facing proble corners that's the curse of a strong arm it really is and you see guys all around the league now they still do like josh allen i don't know if we'll ever have to worry about anticipation you just wait let's see oh yeah yeah fire so i mean it's a it's it's just it's ongoing process fun you know but but in going through that and then making you wait year rookie season you were guy there was a starter from the jump how difficult and challenging is it to go from playing in the college game to now starting right away in the national football league it's incredibly hard you know they're they're they've done a better job i think for the most part in college and college and nfl are kind of the lines were being blurred now as far as often subsystem so i remember when i came out we ran kind of i guess you would call a west post office but i did and all i really knew what the defense is wearing a different color shirt like i didn't really know anything else i i knew where my progression was and i knew what coverages were but i don't know really what rouch be certain leverage is and why guys play certain techniques nissan on the defensive side of the ball was i what's hot like okay they brought to you guys went back can't block both of well it was all built in you know just by time and or will go seven men protection and pick all that up but when you show up in the nfl is i went from that to a kind of a running shoot style offense with chris palmer kind of like kevin kevin gilbride when they ran in new york so something very similar that where i was in charge of all the protections and men you could tell seventy six sacks later we didn't know we were doing like i'm trying to set up there's last kinda decipher where kansas city is coming from and they got four guys over here and five guys over here and then six come from this side and i'm like i had no idea what was going on so that was a that was the biggest thing is just understanding what i was looking at where to go with the ball and try to make it all kind of happened so now i think they've done a better job you know where there are more types of systems like we just kind of walk in and it's kind of it's made it's based ready made it's ready for the quarterback going there rip through his progressions uptempo you know there's some things i kind of wish i played played ten years ago or not ten years ago but ten years later so i could kind of be involved in that zone reed stuff i mean that's that's fun rpo's like i always liked to do that stuff but i was kind of a little bit before that i know just you got a chance in your new role here with us in nfl media got a chance to watch some of these college kids and keeping up with the college game in talking a lot of these guys they're coming through the draft process most college offenses right now the way it's structured is it's based off whether they see a too high safety looker single high safety look independent on which one they get it closes half the field there only working on half the field we we don't see guys really progressed through the entire field how long does it take in you're in your experience to be able to open up an entire field and be able to left right and get the number three maybe even further in the progression i don't i think i felt comfortable doing that until like year three year four 'em now that i think about it and we we even did some of that stuff early on where we tried to go full field reid i really couldn't handle it when i was in first in houston i mean it was so much to look at first of all just try and figure out what coverage they were in you know so like you say middle open middle closed two safeties one safety but middle open can be a world of different coverages right middle closed maybe it narrows it down a little bit more 'em but yeah so we would sit on the sideline i remember saying was a cover to for the two man's zone like this guy kinda and we only had two pictures with the pre snap pictures in the middle of i dunno i dunno when he's screaming and i'm like i don't believe you so it was just a difficult pull right that part is hard so if you can go to where you know and you start off with either just true progression where you're just going straight across the board right to left her left the rider harry reid it that's good young guys but it it it requires more of the play caller to design sign you know a shift and motions and put guys in demand spots right yeah he's got a kind of create for the quarterback or you could just lined up and say okay middle middle close and that'll get you so far i mean you could you could run and often that way when you start getting into the the disguises in guys move in late remember we played minnesota in minnesota would just sit in a too high shell until the snap and they would just subtly move and then even like baltimore with ed reed ed reed would sit and cover for that what you mean you know i mean these guys were fantastic you got it and he would kind of give you the illusion hit drop back like he's in to what he's not really into he just wants you to think that is exactly what he wants to think that you're into see throw a slant hits him in the chest you know like how did that happen you know there's there's some subtleties it's if you ask quarterback to look at the defense and really decipher what's going on you better make sure he's got a good feel for it otherwise it's gonna be some indecision you point to some you point out something that i i believe it's been the biggest thing in terms of helping these young quarterbacks get jumpstarted quarterback coach's office coordinators are now more than ever willing to adapt in kind of tweak their system to make the quarterback comfortable if you had an opportunity to play in today's game how big of an advantage is to have that kind of coaching where they're not asking learn just complex system they're basically taking your calls his playbook encounter modernizing it yeah you get ready for the nfl well it was great i mean i remember even when i went in houston there there were still conversations with chris and with dom here what do you like what you feel comfortable with and we watch my film would pull a couple of plays that we ran and they tried implemented but didn't really fit in what they did you know so it was kind of like it didn't match right so we do a little bit of that we're really good quick game stuff like i get the ball in my hands pretty good 'cause i did a lot of that in fresno but anytime we start going drop back and now we're making wide receivers make decisions fifteen yards down the field and whether they're gonna break into the post turned back out and pitch to them like that stuff started getting really complicated but yeah the more you can like i love when when coaches go out and like so for instance and arizona they're reaching out to the oklahoma staff right in cleveland all right what is baker do well you go back and you talk to their coaches and you get it it it just makes you feel comfortable they even named a couple of plays the same then i ran it in fresno so when i was in the huddle i'd i'd call the same i feel comfortable run i run it a thousand times so that helped that stuff helping the more you could do that the better i mean it now because the fences in college in nfl her are so similar you could do a lot more of that so it makes these young guys able to be able to go out there on the field earlier and have success i'll ask you about this one day you know we're going to be evaluation process i have my three kind of you have you're non negotiable in in these the three that i look for and then i've kind of aturday fourth and fifth as a qualifier here to see if you could fill a gap for me here in terms of what it would take to be successful at the next level i start with the big three firm you're accuracy a decision making and poise like i you gotta have those three things accuracy decision making and poise that's the foundation and and then i talk about having enough arm like i don't need you have you gotta have enough you can't have a picture up there you gotta be able to be able to fit balls and window so enough farm and then i also said enough athleticism i don't need you to be a world class athlete just like tom tom has enough athletic ability be able to sidestep slide and make a freak i miss it every now and then i don't need somebody or everytime you get a free russia you're dead yeah so those are the five areas that i look at eight what do you think about those five and then be working again some gaps ice things really good i was a i was thinking about that when i was coming in here i know you guys this podcast we were talking about some quarterbacks stuff and interestingly enough you're first three are very similar to what i've always kind of believe me when i got to new york we're able to win a super bowl with eli a mike sullivan was a day office coordinator the night before we play the patriots he handed us are packet and it was something he always talked about but on the front page of it was obviously the super bowl logo and all this stuff but it said leadership decision making inaccuracy and so i guess leadership employs could be kinda similar and that's it that kinda can go either way but for me the leadership thing could be how you prepare how you take ownership of you're all fence all sorts of intangible things right in that kind of encompasses the boys do like you can't just be out there and you're the leader and you're losing your mind in clutch situations or making bad decisions like icy experience quarterbacks all the time and tom coffin with huge on decision making or sorry on on just knowing situations and they make i mean hitting your vets just not knowing the clock not knowing when the burn burn a timeout not letting the i mean it's just crazy stuff that i see all the time that still happens in today's game so this first year actually really good the decision making inaccuracy i think that's that's not negotiable that's a hundred percent you have to make the right decisions you have to throw the football you gotta no window throw the football and then you gotta be accurate like you don't as hard as you want if it hits she leaders on the sidelines say who cares right i mean you gotta be able to put it where you wanna put it and then those other two as far as having enough farmer enough athleticism tom brady's is good as i've ever seen it moving in the pocket subtly like finding a way to remain a passer and keep his eyes down the field you could have a free i've seen free runners that guy a lot and he just make some miss and makes it through so i mean that's enough athleticism for me and then having enough arm that's always the nice thing because you and i talked indifferent quarterbacks in the winter i talked to derrick it's nice to have that canon in your back pocket but don't feel like you have to be utilizing right if that's every year strengthen you feel like i'm just gonna lean on that unless you're throwing a hundred yards and you're josh allen and you're pat mahomes and you kind of rely on that the majority of the time okay i get that but if it's not that you gotta you gotta be smart got nowhere throwing the football it's nice to have that extra juice when you need it maybe you're a little late or you see something a little late and you gotta put a little extra fire on it throw down lower you know put it on her yards down the field from somebody so that that's pretty good man job good job when her dj yeah so you gotta check you've been like look you were super athletic probably more athletic than people give credit for you talked about prepping in getting ready to run fast when you're getting ready for the pre draft however we're looking at all these dual threat quarterback that are making their way into the league and so if you were a team building you add the take on one of these dual threat quarterbacks how do you work with them what would you tell them what is a dual threat quarterback need to be able to do to be a franchise quarterback in this league well i think that you know that that kind of talks into thia all the stuff that we just talked about i think you can't get away from that stuff that stuff's what wins championships ships 'em but if you have the extra little bit athletic ability you have the extra arm talent kind of like patrick mahomes that's where you win mvp in throw fifty touchdowns but he has all the other stuff like an end he's done a good job of kind of you have so much talent there and he's he's not really tried to suffocate him he's not said okay you gotta do this this and this you gotta really raining all this stuff is kind of letting be free so if you have a guy like that you could kind of letting go a little bit 'em buddy make some plays letting be creative i remember having a conversation with gary kubiak about the same thing and and we were like three or four games into my first year with him and he sat me down and he's like i think i'm holding you back a little bit i think were were trying to become too robotic like we need to be a little more free you make some plays and i'd always really before that kind of ran around made a couple of plays nuts when you looked looked at it as a lot of are often it's we were able to be successful doing things like that so you don't wanna ever take that away from a guy that's talented and athletic like the cuyler murray lamar jackson like let them be who they are let them still be explosive dynamic players but give him a structured oftens with some rules in some timing aspects where they know what the capabilities are inside the dolphins but they could always kinda go to that next next level and they have to we talking scouting about you know you got you wanna have geyser passionate energetic guys love what they're doing that quarterback position i mean you're a great person to ask this question is is just the overall commitment i think people any outside think they have an idea of what goes into getting yourself ready to play on a sunday and i believe have no idea all the work entailed and so we talked to these kids when they're coming to the draft process and were trying to find out do you love it are you passionate about it because i mean tell me have you ever been about anybody that's been successful deposition that doesn't have eleven a passionate put in the type of work you now i really have and i say i've seen the opposite i've seen guys don't make it two years without without that you have to be able to you have to be able to want to grind in it has to be fun there has to be the thing that you think about it three o'clock in the morning like okay i'm gonna housing and defeat discovers like the defense gave me a fit yesterday no thc is there how how am i gonna defeat that so you go into the lab you go back into the you know in the end of the film room and you kinda just start breaking it down because you love doing it i mean that's that's it and talk to tom coffin when i first walked in new york first thing he said to me we sat down in his office good to see you i've known it for a long time and he goes how much is it mean to you do you love it right in the house you're seven at that point like yeah it wouldn't be too hard i have a family at home is way too difficult but you know i look at my brother and he's not were on vacation and he's waking up at five o'clock in the morning to get a little film study in workout because that's what he loves to do this kid's wake up and then it's all it's all family time but yet you watch tom brady in full pads on the beach somewhere where he doesn't have to be in full pads on the beach somewhere the helmet on running sprints but he's doing that because it means a lot it's important to him and that's the only way you're gonna be successful especially in this in this league especially at that position is just you got defensive coordinators that that's all they do is sit up and try and figure out how they're gonna stop you they do that literally all they have no live they sleep any office they just wanna see how they conduct tom brady how they gonna make sure antonio brown is run over the top of when they play the raiders like that's all they think about so you have to kind of match that intensity match that focus david one one trade that stands out to me that we haven't talked about but i believe it's essentially being a guy that not only the franchise quarterback but wins at the highest level confidence of the best quarterbacks that we've ever been around have kind of an unwavering belief in yourself and they believe the get it done when you're young quarterback and you've been thrown out there to the wolves and you're struggling how how hard is it to maintain their confidence so it doesn't kind of cave in on you and you kind of see it on the other side it's extremely difficult because this is the most humility i mean humbling league that there is in all of sports i mean you think you gotta figure it out all these guys they everybody thinks they can play quarterback in nfl especially eli's i talked to a fourteen year old kid at this usa today sling it throws a hundred yards you think he's ready he thinks he's ready start talking about cover a couple of years ago you'll love it it's a it's a blast but yeah it's it's a very humbling league and it is it demands i remember sitting there my first year in houston and i had given absolutely everything that i had physically mentally i was exhausted were like week seven array and i'm like i got i have i don't know what else psyching do right and we still want winning football games it's extremely difficult i've played every sport there is i went snowboarding when my wife first time went right down the hill she's like oh you're just a great athlete i'm like as is easy compared to what my normal job is this is the hardest thing though you're ever gonna try to do even guys that are doing everything they can i still got the pieces around you gotta have it all work together you gotta have the right head coach i mean it's just extremely difficult but man it's it's it's a blast minutes how we love it well you've given us so much time we do appreciate i just wanna compliment john one thing here because as i go through and look through all the notes and in all you're numbers at seventy six sacks okay whatever seventy six sex and we still standing and what i'm seeing twelve of their own fumbles broke right twelve i felt recor i don't wanna bring that up but i mean start asking the country's that's that's what i do i how do you even know where the ball is you get it off you start doing that you ever seen catchers when they dig one out of the dirt and they initially looking around panic i always had look at our our was yet albert hanes worth one time i took the snap and i went to pull away from centered he grabbed my left wrist like literally beat the ball drops out like underneath me literally sit down on top of it i'm like perfect 'perfect second down that is fantastic yeah when that july imagine it practice what they wanna do the cover up drills when they get in a fetal position goes on like dude i've i've got enough ryan recor and older here bro let me just sitting in that'd be great you a guy but great to hear from a from david obviously you're the first overall pick you've gone through the process easy great person to talk to and a really somebody put it in an impossible situation there with an expansion franchise with the houston texans but my big take away block is the challenge we face it scouts face is is how do you scouting tangible man that is a that's a tough one you know it it it's it's really tough because you you don't have an opportunity to really get to know the quarterback the way that you would want to knowing how big his role is when it comes to the fate of the franchise but you're like the same as much as you can we've always talked about this the number one rule is scatter when it the quarterback you have to see him live and a lot of people think that you need to go see him live to see their arm on display to get a real life view of how how they spin it but i like to go to games lie because i wanna stand on the sideline and i wanna see how they interact wreck with their teammates whether they like when they have a bad plays go against them how they win one of their teammates may drop a pass office of lyman blows a block do they encourage them how do they respond to that i also wanna see what other interactions like with the coaches with the coordinator how often are they having a dialogue especially at the office coordinator is on the field i am trying to get a better sense of the player by being around him get a sense of how he manages in controls the team and his teammates more so anything that he doesn't feel i wanna see that but really i am trying to determining assess be intangible quality that he's going to bring to the team will be selected let me give you two examples here and i've mentioned the j p lost one before i remember going watch him play against navy in a this is somebody the end up going in the first round of the buffalo bills but 'em in character wise everything was fine there it was just i want to go to alive game missio interact with his teammates in a there is no virtually no interaction there will be more was running back on that team a good player a draft pick their offer the pittsburgh steelers but go into that live game in it maybe i caught him on a bad day i don't know but all i know is that turned me off and i was out i bailed on him i i have a huge great on begin again with but he had a really low grade for me i go into the process and i'll give you more recent example 'em have mentioned this one before but i was going to watch paxton lynch and his bowl game i believe will play in auburn a which they're outmatched there in memphis but i wanna see see okay as as you're taking a beating their you're not you're not playing great the team's not doing well are you rally in your teammates i went down a it was a it was in a it's like a chain link fence down there on the sideline so i walked down i'm not wearing any you know nfl network you're nobody knows who so i just mere along the sideline for the entire game and again i wanna see okay let's rally the troops kind of be that not in the rope can you be somebody when things are sliding can you stop the slide can you try and get everybody going and there was just there was nothing i wanna see some interaction with different guys and you try to give everybody together and let's trend rally the troops see any of it now in hindsight i should have dropped him even further than i did i think i ended up having him somewhere in the twenties or something like that but there were a lot people talking about him potentially being a top five top ten pick a in that impacted migrate going to see him live impacted migrate and that's what to speak to your point it's important what these quarterbacks get out there and see even see them at alive game you have to see alive game you have to get a feel for who they are and how they handle situations and sometimes you can't get that when you're watching tape or you looking at them on tv a you wanna be around you only get a feel for who they are and also sometimes we talk to coaches coaches don't give you all of the information that you need right away but i think having that that first hand look being right there being able to see them being in foot binoculars on being able to stand beside them in the game gives you a real sense of who they are because i don't think you can't fake it when you around somebody and they don't necessarily know that you're looking at them and really observing they're there every action yeah no doubt well that was a fun conversation there with david car in that leads us to are are final conversation her final guest of the episode bucky somebody you know extremely well i gotta go down in history one of the greater coaches we've had in the national football league ears are conversation with mike holmgren this this is named after morning you playing green bay any other any other boyer me or you know coach there is a lot of fascination fascination with the quarterback and you talked about a veteran quarterback jumping in but let's talk about young quarterbacks in water the i guess two or three trays that you look for in young quarterbacks they were making mike holmgren interested in developing their quarterback to eventually maybe you're darn well you know what it's in again i i i'm old so it's a it's change just a little bit in the scouting part about you were you know you excellent scout a that authorizes in college now are a little different than they were a few years ago an so you get young quarterback tyler murray who is special or russell wilson or guys that aren't is the prototypical size for a quarterback but they do amazing things on the field and if you wanna run that type of all fence that they used his his mobility gets them out of the pocket those types of things week and see then you go ahead and take that guy 'cause they're special but not everybody can do that these guys are special special player so i always looked at one the first thing you gotta throw the ball he's gotta be able to complete passes be accurate and make all the throws that's the first thing second thing was his movement doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be his running ability but his movement in the pocket and their ability to avoid wade and then also did get a first down if necessary answered and this may be more important but it's tough to judge it just his mental toughness and how he's gonna deal with adversity how he's gonna be a leader with his team all those types of things things are a little more subjective and that's what those minicamp you're talking about before you get a better feel the longer you're around him you get a better feel but you have to make that decision early in hope you're right you're right all the time but those are those those are three things that we've always looking at heart coach one of the things we always talk about in in the scouting were always talk about different types of leaders in the local leaders you have the leads by example is is it possible to be an elite player in in the national football league at the quarterback position without being vocal leader is that even possible i think it is i think it is but that again that that's a special special gift a you know one of my mentor is in one of the guys i looked up to just passed away recently bart starr andy and i would say you know he he was not one of those boisterous voelkel leaders that you might think of you know he was but he was leader and they all played hard for him and they knew he was the boss an indiana but that was a gift a it's not it's more subtle but then that if you're not a vocal leader in and they don't see the fire you gotta show at sometimes times and they showed in different ways and but you know this in the locker room you know the players know the players know if if a player is not necessarily a vocal an obvious to the fans the players know in the locker room he leads in a different way perhaps you know i'd steve young joe montana far of those guys matt hasselbeck marked with those guys they were all different somewhere little louder somewhere a little funnier like fire but they play his teammates they end joe montana was special but he was kind of a little bit more on the quiet side the his teammates they their teammates would do anything they they go to the wall for because they had that gift so i don't think you have to be necessarily boisterous you know to be a leader in fact i know you don't have to me because i coach guys at work but they were definitely leaders of the football team i've got one more quarterback question for you here coach if if you look at the landscape bright now in the nfl in somebody's as somebody that played the position in somebody who enjoys coaching the position is there one guy out there you look at and say man i i would love to have the opportunity to coach that young man well i'm gonna stay pretty obvious here and you know what i'm gonna say is mahomes play in a you know he reminds me a little bit of farm and then the fact that he he'll start doing stuff and you know the old saying no no you're the silent oh yeah and it works out okay so he's fun to watch he sounds i i don't know and but you know he's fortunate to be with andy i think that's one thing and then he's he seems like a great young man you guys calling on better night a coach now i've been i've been on the sideline when you've had some of those epic a interactions with brett for are you sure that you could deal with somebody be a off the cuff sandlot stuff that pat mahomes brings i know that you said oh i would love to coach but i remember back in the day brett would drive you crazy sometimes there's somebody impromptu plays and he will make on the field now bucky when i agree to this promise me you wouldn't bring up any of those crazy moments i don't want people i don't want my human you know one thing i will say this to that that a brett and i've said this openly so i'm not telling you anything i haven't said before but yeah he was challenging and we went through some tough love situations there's no question about that but he i had more fun coaching him then then anybody honestly he was a he so enjoyed playing the game and you can have moments you get after a little bit but then ultimately you knew that god this guy's this he's special and now i gotta do i gotta get the best out of him and that's what coaches look for you know you get a player that's just special special and then you go boy now i get to roll up my suasion and go to work and try and help this little bit you know coach so much has been made about quarterback development and i know being with you in green bay in seattle you really took pride in developing the quarterbacks in your season in the summer was a big part of that that has changed a little bit but what can a head coach due to really develop a young quarterback and even a starting quarterback over there all season to get ready to go at a max potential when you get into the regular season well you know a buck to you had you had to make sure that that young quarterback trusted you first of all in believed that by picking hammer choosing him that you thought he could do the job now having said that then it was his responsibility then worked very very hard you know we always try to a when i was coaching pick a quarterback a in those days you could we had three i always had three not too now today teams had just have to but i had three and i draft one in the fifth or sixth round perhaps and just let him learn and let him develop an you know historically those guys a lot of those guys went on to be pretty good players you know matt hasselbeck a a you know mark a meal his name is margaret albert ellen l now in you know in green bay knowing what's gonna replace far but i still wanna bring in a guy in training and then maybe it'd be a backup but then he went on to other teams so it was fun for me i was a quarterback coach you know i wasn't assistant as with the forty niners i start as a quarterback coach i played the position it was fun for me to develop those guys and famine grow and so that's a week that you do in the off season and that's what you did in the summer man it's always a pleasure when they get a chance to you coach mike talk about quarterbacks 'em having play for him for three years and green bay worked for him up in seattle a he really understands the quarterback position he takes a lot of pride in a not only evaluating quarterbacks but really trying to develop them in some of the quarterback that he has been around the steve young joe montana's the guy these in fact the brett farr matt hasselbeck trent dilfer was also a part of a run in seattle he just does a great job of getting guys ready to play in teaching them how to play the right way and so for him to be able to share some of that stuff was really enlightening but i think the conversation in the way he lit up with pat mahomes i believe coach mike if you had an opportunity coast number because he is eerily similar the number four up in green bay an some irony a on the show today because you've got kurt warner who spent some time there with mike holmgren a brief moment there with the green bay packers before he was cut a mike holmgren might wanna have that one back fine brett farve were fine going forward but kurt went under heavy hall of fame career but just goes again the show you some guys heavy unac at the position for being able to identify and develop talent you look at the long run of quarterbacks he's had from san francisco the green beta seattle success they had a throwing the football obviously nobody better talked to the coach homegrown about the position it is so crazy i think you were driving crazy because for the longest time in green bay we would not used a shotgun formation because he felt like the shotgun disrupted the rhythm of the passing game of the west coast offense and so the change in kind of come speed a little bit with some of the things that guy's doing in the league now but he certainly knows the quarterback position better than most no doubt well that was a that was a fun episode that maybe the most enjoyable movie six episode that we've done i i i am a i'm a sucker for the quarterback back position it's a it's right there in my wheelhouse always trying to learn and grow in any evaluation of the position in in buckeye i feel like we learned a lot in this one we did learn a lot in dc i'm i'm gonna tell you i'm i'm biased because heaven had the opportunity to play for two hall of fame quarterback back then jim kelly and brett farr played with another one mvp candidate mvp winter rich gannon a they all the different and i think what i learned from the podcast look they could come in all different styles and flavors but the core traits they have to have those and i think what we were able to glean from this podcast you know what those traits are you have to have the intelligence you have to have the leadership the accuracy the anticipation you have to be a guy and i think if anything i'm gonna take that away and i hopefully it'll make me a bit evaluated when we're looking at these other guys that is the next generation of quarterbacks are we need to we need to go on record here without prototype because it is the prototype series again learning a lot but also taking all that information of what it takes to be successful when you look at the current crop of quarterbacks block and yet the say one guy hits the prototype man that is like this tough dj because like once again we we still have not talked about how they come in different things i look i think the new school prototype type will be the pat mahomes site in terms of the guy who has the athleticism but has the big time arm talent the guy that could raise the bad place and get it done i think he'll be the new school prototype of the position just because he he is so remarkable in terms of what he's able to do but the ball how he's able to kind of just make these impromptu improvisational place however he is still able to stay on schedule now we're talking about someone that continues to be the standard i think the prototype is really tom brady the ultimate winner the guy they condemn it from the pocket it may not be the most talented guy but he got it consistently finds a way to get his team to the winner's circle at the end of the day it's not about the yards is about the rings tom brady remains the standard i think he's the prototype of the position yeah i mean look there's you've got aaron rodgers a you know we've we've seen a a ben rothlisberger heavy long stretch drew brees obviously doesn't have the prototypical size but to me if were looking at the prototype i i think it's between two guys and you mentioned pat mahomes who does everything you could ever imagine a on the football field timmy though i would still for me personally if i'm trying to go scout and look what i'm looking for what i'm trying to find i'm still trying to find andrew luck it's the highest quarterback rating and i've ever given since i starting in two thousand three and i'm gonna stick with that in in what he is because i have the size the physicality the arm strength athletic ability intelligence i don't know a skill that andrew luck doesn't possess and i would say maybe the you know the difference what's the difference between him and pat mahomes i think at this point just because andrew luck slow further along i think on schedule andrew luck is eight is a little more advanced advanced now pat off schedule is unique in what he can do special i think it's a conversation between those two but for me i still have andrew luck is the prototype it's funny because it's one of the young named it i would throw in there as the prototype and i know he's been injured a little bit but i still believe carson wentz is really more like a prototype anything else because when you look at carson wentz a athletically he could do whatever you wanna do in terms of quarterback run game he could throw inside the pocket outside the pocket he's a terrific leader he's tough in he's a guy that absolutely loves the grunt in the process we obviously know that because you know people that have tied very close to him i think he is a prototype and i think if he has an opportunity to play a full season twenty nine team i think that conversation becomes probably a three headed monster with pat mahomes carson wentz an andrew luck because each of those guys plays the game a little differently but they all have the court trays that you're looking for yeah it's a it's exciting we have a lot of good young quarterbacks in the nfl and but tasked with trying to find the next wave of guys in the college game that's something we're gonna focus here on the move the sticks podcast as we do throughout the year remember you could check out 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Episode 131: The One With Orchamus

Find the Path Podcast

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Episode 131: The One With Orchamus

"Welcome pathfinder's to the find the path podcast actual play of the mummies mask adventure path episode. One thirty two thirty one. Yes that the the one where stealth failed. As to no one's surprise. We did real good and so we got to the point where we couldn't anymore. Yeah knew that the the bonuses for being hundreds of feet away we mean that the party can be rather stealthy they need turns out. It's like even someone with zero self modifier. It's hard to hear them from two hundred yards away especially walking on a soft pliable surface like sand learned that from the quiet place. Yes and then sudi had to pull out his lineup. Noisemaking fire truck. And then suddenly in fleshing out lie i hasten it s. I didn't do anything like i've got this magic fire truck now the the party. That eventually however Party i mean had noticed that there were two of the gear typically lou. The soldiers working the half man half cent or half man half scorpions. Fm have senate. It'd be pretty horrible flashback. But the the gear to baluch guards standing guarding the stone. Monoliths surrounded the outside of the sightless sphinx. We left off with the party deciding. You know what. Let's let's charge them. Well charge quote unquote in other words. We're we're going to run for it and be like free nor the fact that we're moving at sixty or seventy feet per round straight line. Still think we were just an armor know. I met like from where we have reached him in like around or to not from so far back. But then i did. Hey says we do. The you know the water. Yeah thing and see how they reacted to narmer. But show me if you're shaver. Don't think they're going to be honest with that rush so and so i lifted off with saying i'm going to need the party d. The role diplomacy roll for initiative. Yeah and i'm going to earn that by saying i need the party to roll for initiative off with that. That was running. Actually technically moving. We moved one move action. We didn't even like charge or anything. Yeah and also none of us have weapons out. Visible you stealth up within a single move and our moving at superhuman speed. I don't know they might be pretty fast. They have a lot of meron narrow. Mind us. we're just a mirage. Ain't ready because three for a ten q a little basic scape. Charge your friends. I like how you endorsements of siren scape. Just sound like commercials giving been lose all these These free to use Taglines for all right. Start with three for a ten to for hollis sudoku dr. Ira three i six. Wow yup six for sudi masika the beckon eighteen for twenty one. You go citra nakamura. Nine for fifteen to stop bad not bad but not great. You're visible your missiles. That does help thirty feet of them. They're still go there. Technically early visible. For three more rounds. Because you would have cast it before you charged out in the news direction. The price attack around a charge outs. You've got three more rounds of this building. Make basically eighteen seconds of invisibility so the spreads tech rounds already passed. Because you use this attack around to go running at them masika. Can i make a diplomacy check if you want to theoretically yes per twenty what do you say. I m masika of the beckoned. Can we talk to your leader. Please i roll a seventeen. Which gets me a twenty three surprising. Lead i pink. We're going to take advantage here. Citra in the hummer just gonna kinda go out wide and move more toward the usually blue. That's further to the her right. I don't want to get within thirty feet. But i wanna just kinda move in so that you know if i need to i can like reappear but just be like. I was just super estonia. Was it visible. It's all good of her. Diplomacy work get a chance to start shooting at us me too. I feel very happy with my real. That's what i got. Oh right look at least gotta try. Okay gotta try. Well yeah but. I don't have have this narmer into at least find out where the leaders were armor i known but not to do an ambush constance far away for me. It makes me nervous survived last irish pride. Didn't you're either there's always. He's got all that special stuff Breach him within a round or two so sideways. It's not like we're afraid them off. Tet english fly away from them too late. Now i like the idea of him zooming back and like sand cloud of like all the skittering leg. Leave luke coming after he kites them like an no exactly tighten them all the way back to us but they're mainly we'll cloud behind the one that you can't fully see that's still behind the stone barrier. You don't know what they're doing you do however hear a sound like a gong camera raids rice at all bell over his head in assassin's creed that you've got to kill real fast so we would have had this real bad guys gongs slides out. She holds her spear ready and then states. Stop where you are. Throw down your weapons and neil in the sand and we will take you to speak with or compass historic weather. I are having so she race. Say maybe since a motive there. Yeah i'm gonna send some motive over eleven for twenty one. You get the distinct impression that she wants you to throw down your weapons and neil in the sand but then three s to our leader thing is probably maybe not true. It's hard to tell exactly you can tell. She is startled again. Imagine why all these people suddenly run out of nowhere and also seemingly a little bit. You wouldn't say a free so much simply leary. Hollis says well as you can see ain't none of us got weapons out but Assurer she'll be all of the sand she can spoke from knees onto your knees. Here's the difference between throwing down your weapons and not having weapons. She said third on your weapons. Hmo rounds of this. A billion daggers committed. Sure they're not out. She said throw them out. I don't have any of my hand. so so. The the implication the throw down your weapons. It'd be like unbuckle your weapon belt. Disarm that's going to take longer than this six seconds. I have right now but you can nil and pull out a dagger and free action. Drop it share. I'll pull out my regular dagger and drop it counter. I imagine sudi is going ninety miles an hour and then slides into home when they say that Coming to a stop in the sand help. Yeah grab a dagger and check into the size. And i also like i mean okay. Sure we'll keep our our our our weapons just being left out here. Are they gonna come get our weapons. Are we going to get them back. Like i'm useless without my weapons. Unlike some of you. I really wanna see what they do if they if they start shucking. Check spears that us than you know you will have not disarmed. Don't disarm until like you see that. It's all clear ability to skirt white in hide. These are very tall pillars. Well the the problem is that within thirty feet. They'll even detector through the stone skirt all the way around them and i don't know there's more of them gone for somebody. I was gonna say the ring the gong for reinforcements for sure. Masika the buchan. Seco deal and chunk her mace that i think she swan once i am time. Don't actually use weapons. That are like sure. Yeah that's fine care these things that i've never used. The rogue is over here going like she's had visible but her face is like what the ceiling saying she's invisible and she's like this is a terrible idea. What are they doing. Hydrants your glove. Right i mean i can put it in my gloves. Storing one of them. Well then there's the one one is better than none. Small joke intended. But how often do you to fight anyway your like compartment love and then you can drop the other. Yes magical khukri. I just use plus a vase on the ground. I mean you could easily set this down and then use an action to cover it with sand or like shove it in your bag of holding back khomeini harrison handy haversack mature. Put that in there too. I mean i've got a quarter staff. And four more daggers. All like it's going to take a second okay. So be suspicious if you show up and you're like oh also i have. No weapons have a weapon to put on the ground like regular dagger you got regular dagger in my handy ham. I have another khukri okay. I'm i'm skirt white again. Because i'm still invisible and i'm going to place us another move action to put my good electric khukri into my glovas story. That's a free action. Then i will shove my bo into my hand hammers. So you're holding onto your medical cookery and then you're taking you're going to have to use a move action to pull your bill off your back and then a move action to put it into the back. Well i'll i'll pull it off. And then i'll do because i'm still going to screw wide. I'm not sure if i'm going to try to follow stealthily like or if i'm going to reveal myself yet so skirt wide you're moving thirty feet outside of the range of this person. Yes i'm gonna stay because we have a sixty foot movement speed right now. Hey can move sixty feet. I don't wanna get too far away from my patriot. So i think i'm just gonna do the thirty feet to see you. You gave me a scroll of see. Invisibility what i needed was a scroll invisible scarlet be invincibility. I know i do. Which would negate. They're is a scroll of echo-location so dr off to the side that brings to the to the first one continues to hold him ready. The second one he walks out from behind the pillar holding a spear and position eyeing suspiciously the three of you waves. Both of them are readying and waiting for you to finish disarming. Okay so hollis i suppose us to more move actions to pull to more of the however. Many billion daggers. You have i have four daggers. Alight crossbones seminar. Okay so it's gonna take you three rounds to disarm she'll hold on hold on. Okay okay these. I don't think i've ever even drawn any of these weapons. Here's my also does a work but don't know agains are you don't know it'd be very surprised. You don't know what their knowledge engineering check is all right. Well they can make knowledge engineer really gone. We'll take me three more rams to disarm as well. Because i have six more weapons to take off of my person. Okay masika you continue to disarm or else do i count as your deadly weapon machine. Noche technically yes. But don't don't let them know. Just stand in the sand and be nice. Okay hold up. Your flippers flippers up. He can't neil sad iraq. But it shish by friend and a scorpion. But it's also just my friend machine. Don't tell them. But i plan on making a sling and i'm gonna make it a little sheet in naked. Like schlink scorpio. People wouldn't it be cool. No don't do that a future plan. It's a means to your pet scorpion. I get i get them. To world's smallish ringer feather falls. We'll talk about this later. One round of visibility left. So you're either going to have to emerge or hud kanye cast vanishing discuss michigan. If you wanna use your second guessing of it. I like gives me five more rounds. Well we'll be disarmed by that and they'll either be murdering us in the sand or taking us somewhere. Well trying to just wondering. If if i should just reveal myself so that they don't get all thinking where shady. Yeah but is not going to be worse. When i'm like trailing behind. I think they're both reading. And if you reveal yourself they might just throw a dagger spirit you rental does. Is that classic thing just to i. Small tangent here especially because you guys kind of brought up earlier. It's that classic thing where you're just like okay. We're gonna go into this meeting. We really want to make a good impression. Entrust this guy but there's always that one guy that goes. I'm going to hide a dagger on myself. Despite the fact that we said no weapons. I mean higher dagger myself and then inevitably when it's found everyone's like you plan on stabbing us from the beginning didn't you know is for self-defence data trust each other. Go make yourself visible and throw down the one khukri. You still have and just say you know i was. I was just being homeless. Check you know. Just be like i'm a scam. I don't know. I'm not with these people but also interloper. I'm sorry i was planning on killing these people. But now i can see where all surrendering yeah. I think i think singers not going to put her away. She's going to call out you know I am invisible. I am going to make myself visible and i to throw down my weapons. Please don't shoot me. You're not gonna put your bowling. I'm going to show them that. I'm putting my boat gonna put her down honestly like for stink attacking stuff. It won't work with unless somebody grabs it and puts it in the loop file. Yeah okay never mind. I'm gonna put it in my i. That's why i was like throw your khukri down because we get you another. Plus when khukri just said i will bow in miami hammer sack and then i will raise up my arm when i'm visible with my khukri in a non threatening matter and then throw it down and meal so i suppose over the next few rounds all of you disarm agencies to show up because of the gong they third to blue does joined the other two and we get read on them again to see percents motor. By that time. I real well. I got a sixteen thirteen for twenty berlin nineteen thirty-three nice. So masika hollis imagine the two of you are public glancing back and forth back and forth between one another polish is kind of like the words for dimension door on the tip of your tongue just in case masika ready to some in some form of magical protection or something sudi ready to spring up flying kick get big. Get big the word on the tip of your tongue. And how'd you activate word citra. You can tell you can tell that these three are surprised to see you. You get the distinct impression that this is not what they were expecting. Even when you sprung out like you sprung out in the media like they're like okay combat and then you went. Oh by the way we will throw out our weapons and everything. At which point they go okay. We were very confusing right now. Where you feel like it is probably two parts of them. The there's one part where you get the distinct impression that they probably have orders to kill anyone who shows up here but there's the other part of them of what you know from having heard stories as a child that they are a very honorable people. They will not kill unarmed individuals. When you don't have a means by which to defend yourself even if they don't know that sudi can still defend themself and us embassy masika magic however they. You doubt very seriously that they would do anything to harm you without. Maybe even returning weapons back to you so that you could have a fair honorable fight or challenging you to fight much as a masika 's husband did to the knoll where you'd have an opportunity to prove yourself. They wait until you finished disarming before lowering their spears one of them the woman who first came out turns to the other two and speaks to them in their native language which i do not think anyone in this party speaks absolutely not seek. Oh well when we level up she looks over all of you know to the third one who then turns and makes his way back seemingly back towards his watch. The woman turns back stunned to your feet up. We bay follow. Keep your hands. Where they can be seen can do that. I guess we'll just kind of hold our hands over neither side our heads. The woman leads the way the other man that had stepped out the one that you assume. Ring that gong pulls up behind all of you close enough where hollis bringing up. The rear fills that kind of is a giant stinger by says. I'm you're walking. You know those rumors about how honorable you lot work. We're certainly not miss misspoken. You seem very honorable. And that's a real refreshing thing to find out here down at you thank you. We're making friends. Oh nice to meet you. I'm seep tra- so the the woman in the front looks over his shoulder and says something in their native tongue. He seems to respond back in a way that seemed sheepish. For the two of them. Stay quiet for the rest of them. Supposed to make friends with these prisoners. Vm friendly from here. They lead you through the stones. At least we're not going inside okay. That's good bad into the shadow of the sightless swings had a feeling they were in the tents over here. The pavilions looked too nice. And i'm like I doubt the cultists. Are that kind averse. Dark shadow stretches across the sand here north and east that the sphinx based on the position of the sun overhead the monolithic statues should cast a shadow in a completely different area. One that is currently fully illuminated by sunlight even more strangely. The patch of darkness remains constant. As you make your way the pavilion tenths ahead. Or painted with red and gold swirls and shine very doley in the constant shadow. Anyone that has spill craft may rollet. Am l. fourteen for a seventeen thirteen for a forty four six for thirty. Oh no at thirty. Four numbers are like those even makes sense our citrus learning so citra get annoyed. Yeah the only thing that you ensued. Akimbo tells you walk in here. You've been out in the desert you've been under the effects of the spinderella. What's this whole time. You know even with the run the exertion and everything. You're still sweating slightly as you step in. You can't tell exact temperatures because of the magic warding and protecting you but you actually fill in citrus case especially you feel a bit of a chill as if almost cold air on the sweat running down the back of your neck sudi again with your the pads of your feet and the burning sand here the moment you step in here. It is cooled almost like sand underwater without the moisture. It is way more than it should be in the shadows. Masika hollis without the ability to cast the smell to determine more about this. You can't be certain. Both of you glanced between one another. I imagine though. This is a magical effect and while. I don't necessarily know how much either of you know about these. You think this is some sort of planer ba- lidove something tapping it's really clean and leading over here. Ooh that's extra bad is so excited. You're more fully into the shadows you pass by the sphinxes front left leg which looks to be just rubble as if it seems to have collapsed entirely urine there inside of that leg. You can see sharp angles. The interiors of rooms that collapsed in on themselves when something caused the destruction of that portion of the sphinx. You make your way further and further ford the gear to blue lead you into here and ahead you can see that the tent off towards the side has an open central flat and you can see at least three more gear. Typically lose their these have stood up to their feet obviously alerted by the gong although the woman leading you raises a hand to tell them to relax that being said these three swiftly. Join your escort. They lead you to a larger central tent. The woman speaks to the other for the other. Four men she then steps inside of the tent you stand in a long awkward silence before she emerges again behind her steps out your typically lou at least fifteen feet in overall length towering lee huge and muscular. The man where's looks to be leather armor that seems to strain under the pressure of his muscle an ivory dagger pendant hangs from about his neck and he carries easily with them. What looks to be some form of pole arm this props on his shoulder as he steps out his skin as well as the care piss of his lower body or deep brown nearly black. The lower portion of his care pisses this softer almost reddish brown as are the lower portions of his legs. His hair is disheveled. Although short cropped mass of curly blackish almost auburn auburn so dark as to be close to black. The man looks over all of you. You are intruders. S does and no became for visit. Actually we wanted to talk to you interesting. The you wish to speak We heard that perhaps your community here is not as pleased with a the arrangement that you have with some certain masked figures on account. They don't care about honor and yes that that mainly we do care about honor. You're asking us if we are interested in betraying our allies well if they are not through allies then you're not really betraying them. What kind of ally ex you asks you to give up your morals and to just kill whoever comes in a place and even people that have been nasty in the past. In fact we think it's because of past betrayal the debate cock now roams the desert and may have killed one of your own me narrows. His eyes looks over all of your heads. You may join me inside. He opens the tent allows all of you in turns to a second and says something in gear lou. She nods begins to make her way off towards the east. No read on him. If you wanna make sense she she might have just been told to make sure that the humans don't interfere with this allies fifteen. What is again eighteen. Ten per twenty four. I roll a ten four as sentiment of seventeen with a twenty four. The only thing you can really tell you have no idea where she's going or what she's planning on doing with great speed all you can tell about him is he's probably the type of person who does not have the time or interest in duplicity. He holds up the curtain and allows all of you to enter into a spacious ted. You would almost consider to be unduly spacious until you remember the size of the figure that's occupying said that actually thirty feet across. Is it really that big for this guy. There are very few creature comforts in here. A table has been erected off towards the side but it's covered with a variety of tools for maintaining armor oil for the leather armor as well as what appears to be oil to maintain weapons. And keep care beyond that. The only thing that you can see. Here's what appears to be tan. Hide stretched between two poles and then marked onto that height is what looks to be a map of the dunes. At least one steadily being expanded. How does it look like his. Like territory or some. It almost looks more like they're tracking the movements of people of the tribes. That live out here of the giants of the muff tet. All of them. Are you thirsty. And i have no interest in poisoning. You his tell flickers a little bit. I wouldn't think that it is rather drink. wouldn't mind a small pitcher pours out four glasses. Water hands them to all of you only have the four cups. Thank you very much almost as for proof to you. He drinks out of the pitcher before setting to side ups. Seek and this is narmer. I'm hollis my name is suty. i'm or compass. I'm the leader of this band. How i'm the leader of the gear. Typically do here in the shadow of the sightless swings so he strokes as chen so are are you allied with the cult that has taken up residence here over. Sort my tribe as made an arrangement with these cultists you call them. They have been wreaking havoc across the desert and the cities and mount. Exactly been doing very good things so yes murder stealing more murder raising the dead kidnap using magic. Tim manipulate people's minds. Good gracious when you put it all and when you put it on like geez. It's something to offend. Everybody that is why you're opposed them. One of many reasons their actions are of little concern to me their actions not affecting all those in the desert though in cluding your people not my people not yet because you made the deal. We made an arrangement. Is it all the gates of labeling or just your tribe just my tribe we made an arrangement live kept up their side of it. My i ask what. The arrangement is there to provide us with weapons and armor with their superior magical skills and exchange will ensure their protection. It's a simple trade. You understand. I believe in the cities they call it mercenary work. Let me be frank with you. Your being here with technically forced me to execute my orders. And that's the kill anybody that shows up here right Not specifically but close. It's keep them safe. Yes oh ever. I have no interest in bloodshed. You are here. You are for five counting the little clockwork thing. You could not survive the desert. If you were not strong you would not be here. The four five of you to take on this cult as you put it. If you did not think that your odds of success were good. Am i not wrong. I mean pretty on. I will say that i have no intention of killing the lady in charge my wrong in saying that All of those in your community here in the shadow of the sinks agree with this arrangement. Or do you know of some who are not happy with it because we have heard of one in particular that did not speak to curry. Yes the one who left the s. All of you can make sense mode. If you wish god sex. I sixteen thirteen for twenty ten for seventeen sixteen thirty. Who simply seems to nod. Take a drink citra. You can tell that he his interest has now. We need to tell them the truth. We believe that we found him. Having been killed by a bay cock which was created out of the trail and We laid him to rest with his career. Yes as far as we can tell Easy thought right. If i pull something out of my bag. It's a you d. Journal will central pulls out the journal and shows the symbol. This is what we found on him but we buried him. We it was to curry's you know that he he smuggled out one of your prisoners right. That was my mentor. And when we spoke to her she. She said that he helps her escape because he didn't agree with what the tribe was doing in working with the cult. Because it's making you do all these dishonorable things like betraying a merchant. That used to be a friend and he was gonna go and try to find the merchant and well the merchant died and turned into aycock which ended up killing him. This word. if you'd think. I know what it means. It's an it's an undead creature that is fueled by nothing but vengeance. It's basically going to hunt down every single gear to libro at can kill you all until it stopped which it also has the ability to fly and so it would be difficult for you to fight. He turns makes his way over to nearby table. Produces what appears to be an almost three foot long short of bone. Yes that's what he shoots. Yeah you're saying that this creature killed her. As far as we can tell yes he was re. We found him. And several of those bone eros well masika clears her throat and takes a sip of water. He sighs one of his pinchers lifting up an absent mindedly snapping the almost femur thick bone in half. I don't want to fight this guy. So i mean our our purpose in speaking with. You was more than just hoping that you might help us against the coulter. At least turn the other way. I at least wanted you to know what happened to your clan mate and no of the danger of the aycock all all of us out here in the desert should should be helping each other instead of fighting each other for everything to curry is reveals. Nephew reveal is the leader of our tribe. I am the leader of our tribe. The shadow of the sightless sphinx resides within You are strong. Are you not even like to think so. He prepares to speak again before. You hear a voice come from outside. That sounds to be one of the key to balu. You didn't hear a second voice. Muffled slightly in oh syrian. We hurt the gong. Has the alarm been rest or commerce. Turns makes his way towards the tent flap pushes through it. The matter has been resolved. It is nothing to concern yourself with then. Why was the alarm raced. You hear shuffling as if a massive scorpion had moved slightly closer and in a slightly deeper voice. The matter has been resolved. Who would we be on the receiving end of that. I say thank you. How will let the pharaoh the to. You are serving well do that. I think we made a friend. I hope so michika ashby to role play in two different voices peak outside the tent. You're very small. okay. I think this is works for everything for over. I don't think oh no. Oh this guy's got an impressive perception. Lou rolled really will normals. Nineteen plus twenty. Three is what forty two dude a mask. I don't know what else you're expecting. It might have been. Maybe the one of the moth tet now there in a mask ish muffled percussion to mask or komo's steps back inside. Here's is what i am thinking. I do not wish to loosen it warriors. I am certain that you and your small tribe here feel the same. I would say that nothing within can be so valuable to warrant this loss of life but it sounds like you are desperate. Desperate people can do desperate things at this through. I value a reputation and reliability even in the face of death. But this task has proven to be unprofitable and more dangerous and time consuming than we had initially been led to believe while the cultists as she put them are reliable. Their views on us in our people are. I feel somewhat distasteful in that they seem to view simply as subservient and take pains to remind some amongst our number they believe that there is a certain hierarchy in place Disapprove of this. However i'm not in charge of those who reside within the sphinx. Is there some way that we could help or though anything that we can do. I cannot allow you unfettered entrance into the sphinx without violating the agreement. I've made as well as the train. The trusts rubella putting me if you were to do a service for us then perhaps i could provide you with a letter of introduction that you can take to her personally So what would you like to do. Kill the backup. No i would like you to assist me and killing it. If it is hunting gear to balu. I would hate to disappoint it. Just going to say this but you would make. Who'd bait certain can also tell you. I have a chariot. You will fit on and you will look amazing. I think we can be amiable to these terms like a like a good deal. Happy to help out fellow. Does it people. I say as a person from the desert area. Don't worry she knows. Say we've been here long enough. It's it's basically for desert people now. I would like to study this shadow a bit. Make a mental note that we should do that at some point before we leave. Do you have any idea where it is. Who's creature has been hounding us for some time to the south the short distance. Maybe a few hours walk. We have a small post. We've had to pull back from there as those present have been attacked routinely. I say there would be a place to set our trap if i make my presents. No there than perhaps that would work. I will tell you that while my orders will hold with those here in the shadow even providing you this letter may only stop those within from attacking you not the cultists. I mean i wasn't expecting the call to not try to kill us. But i would like to not have to kill any of your people. I'm tired of people from the desert killing other people from the desert and it should stop seems in this. At least we are in agreement. Indeed we're happy to help. We don't want any unnecessary bloodshed. Which is which is why we going forward. And and and which Did you guys leave the weapons out there. 'cause we go get them someone to retrieve them much obliged not that. I get us the second one very often. But when i do it's especially at the crossbows and things at this is some flying archer. We're gonna need some range. Tropical do are correct. Then you wait here. The followers of the forgotten phero are aware that something has transpired as such would be best if you'd left undercover of darkness but it's also to my understanding when this creature hunts perhaps through the fortunate and it will attack us on the way we would not have to walk so far. This is a relative term. But in this instance. I think it's accurate agree. When you enter you'll need to find ruby alot that may be somewhat difficult do not know wherein she resides. I have never stepped foot within any of your other people and show them your letter. They just take us to her but depends some within. I know have had their minds swayed by the words of these zealots. I do not know if reveal amongst that number however to chi was the name of her sister she died. Almost twenty years past to curry was her only child. Move reveal raised him as her own. You buried him. Yes deadly did. Did you speak the prayers. We spoke prayers three no So the overhears booker's of outsiders masika said prayers of of people. I said one of ciders. Did you pray to the wind. We did not know to find him. We didn't integrate right. Yeah yeah we can give you a general area where it was the men. That's probably reminding holliston citra. These are very religious individuals. Well we tried. I'm sorry we did not know the proper prayers to say we would have said the mother wise. It is not your fault that you don no one would not expect. I will ensure that he passes safely. But i i will ensure that that creature causes done other to follow him. Rest here you can worry about. Reveal a if you survive the night. I don't suppose you've seen any of the muffed. Have you those inside of the sphinx. I didn't know if any of them had come out that any point. Not that i have seen. I think they're hold up pretty deepen that because i believe they are not working with the the The others here. i think they're keeping them out. There is some conflict within which is what reveal is working on. This is gonna be fun with one of these guys. This is super cool. I'm glad we threw down our weapons like she has. Could you imagine that would awful. Balu departs for a couple of hours. You kind of just sitting here relax for a time. do what you can to to while away. The time all is probably a little bit sad. She she feels the distant timer. Ticking down phantom chariot. it's fine that's true. Oh yeah well. Hey you know what better to have it not needed. That's true the hours pass until distantly. You can hear the chirp chirp chirp of the night insects to cast a detect magic in like surreptitiously study the shadow. This if you'd like us Is really into the plane. So i would definitely would like. Let's find out how bad it is to be in the shadow. I'm sure that part's fine. I think it's probably if it's a bleed over effect it might tell us something about wh- what's inside inside fair point so golden romi If you have okay. I rolled a thirteen for thirty three thirty three and your previous spoke craft. Once you're able to detect magic. You can one tell what this metric does and to have some idea why it's here although it doesn't necessarily make you anymore comfortable mechanically what this does The line between the material plane and the plane of shadow has been blurred here so much that you have to worry about stumbling across share however if you were to use plain or magic such as a plane shift unlike regular effects with the plane shift where you would appear somewhere randomly on the plane of shadow you would actually appear in the very spot you were standing. If you're within the shadow of the sightless. Fakes allow mutasa dwarf. There must be something near here on the shadow. The plane of shadows that they wanted to have easy access to you can also tell that this effect is not intentional. Maybe not okay. It looks like the shadow effect. Here is akin to a gate like a permanent portal. However you think the portal was elsewhere. Something seems to be destroyed or disrupted it causing the magical backlash to literally lock the actual shadow of the sinks in place. The material plane interesting. You don't know what exactly could have caused that unless someone were to intentionally destroyed the Something a bunch of knights. Sra would do. Yeah a bad wish from the glamorous you know i feel like it's probably got to do with destroying the gate. There's a backlash like that. Legs destroyed yeah. I think from the shadow plane. Like i feel like darkness. Latham stuff feel shadow. Play me like i don't know is adjacent to the negative energy plane so all kinds of evil stuff in there. Also it's also my boy czanka. Theon hangs out. We really wanna hang out that guy. Right now hollis face a bunch of notes. She seems very excited while she tells you very terrible things. The good news. Is you know that there's not an active portal to the shadow plane inside anymore if this is the case As well as the fact that you don't have to worry about to stumbling into the shadow plane that's fine. You get the benefits which is coolness and we know it's been here for a long time because because the moffat usa camp and the shadow cooler so the bed newses one. If there was a portable there it is possible. Other things from the shadow plane could have been drug drug over into the material plane crichton whenever this collapse which could have included things like literal shadows as far as the debtor concerned or a variety of other terrible creatures. Think there's like there's some kind of shadow dragon ask shadow. Mastiffs hollis where we might have to fight some shadow stuff when we go in there. So keep that in mind. I wish i could say. I've never fought shadow before but i definitely have just the one. No actually it was more than just the one ended by shadows and when we were going in taking the the city and what the other in like two or three those that's more than one was like fine too but the hours pass the sunsets in six chirp. Exactly like that beep is what they say. Beat mechanical buggies their clockwork desert roaming the desert forever beeping. No one will ever hit off narmer. Have you fed stinger yes. I found another scorpion cannibalism. Did you find to scorpions. Because i'm sure sugar would want one. No he's sure on the other. One is pretty big mushroom. Don't tell the other scorpion people all right. You secrets all these to leave. Lou and a giant scorpion that each of them summoned on my goodness. Yeah diplomacy was definitely the superior tactic. Here is actually an old more on the perimeter ash. I wonder how many people choose diplomacy here. Like i feel like you'd have to fight against your instincts. This is one of those one of those times. I'd love to know that we seem to have gotten a lot of hints. This was going on that. Hey this is an owner honorable people. They're not all just come in there. Guns blazing so. I'm glad we didn't do that agreed. I i'm ready to a connecticut. Charge our friend. Just throw him at just throw in the air baked. That sounds real fun. Do you have a fly spell that you can just cast on them so we can fly. No but i can throw him yet but but then he's gonna fall. I'm not gonna throw them that high. He's a hit boy. Follow him today. I suppose then that evening he returns makes his way into the tent. Nuts down towards all the view. We should set up now if we hope to arrive before midnight. You exit out. Make your way from the tenth. He leads you carefully through the shadow here in the shadow especially at night. It is so dark that almost seems like drinks in the light of the stars. I am going to say that. I did put michael. He leads you to the edge of the the stone circle that encloses the area gestures off towards the side do not deviate from the path. State directly behind me accenture nods there are traps the send louisville stepping all in those. He leads the way forward trailing behind them. I imagine watching carefully. You can easily follow in either. Technically you can follow in two rows if you want just kind of following in his footsteps on either side because again with how wide his likes her space. It's almost five feet between them. Yeah he's a big boy. He exits out turns and begins to set off. Are you going to go and retrieve your camels or would be all the way back. Yeah i don't think we have time for that. Yeah 'cause i assume we're going off in a different direction from. Brian is fine. Yeah so you're circling in heading south. Okay yeah sending fall while we're on the tent. Oh yes can we say yes. I'll sending altho- do have a question. Do you want to sending rocky so that she knows that you all didn't immediately die more. Yes that's that's probably what we say. I'll send us sending he just letting her know that were that we were able to talk to your to leave lou. And we're hunching. Bangkok a yeah. We should be infiltrating the sphinx tomorrow and absolutely of words at that point. Just were cool. Just stay where you are. Very quiet will hunting be like the grisafe. Hunting bangkok with geared to leave. Lou buddy. Please feed camels stay safely infiltrating pyramid once bay cock did thinks it's a sphinx. Stay cool hollis have a good sign up. Yeah have a good summer All are also sending fall two in the morning before we go into the spinks logo but yet masika really wants to ask if she can just jump on his back but she doesn't. That's not idea. It works with them so much fun. We just have that stinger right over your head does slow down for all of you because he does have a natural movement speed of fifty feet around uh just kind of makes his way along again. It's like crazy centaur but with singer so like a centaur cooler. You make your way south traveling across the sands here probably thinking back to setting off this morning from your little cat folk. Be a friendly place. You weren't exactly expecting to be following your to believe lou out into the desert. Go and fight a bake off in the middle of the night. Let's read. I did think we were going to have to hunt this thing down eventually. So i'm glad it's in this way and not because it just attacked as life takes some weird turns granted if it had just attacked us and we managed to take it down. We could have just been like. Hey we already took care of that. Ha- deal to make with them. Then how would we approve in that. We actually taken the bank hold off and brought it with us any who yes. Let's desecrate the dead corpse. Gye who died from a trail the trail. You set off making your way the miles steadily disappear beneath your feet. I'm sure all of you after a little while discount is getting a little tired. If you've gotten a little spoiled with writing around on camels metropole period and all the rest of that so having to march up and down these dunes 'em again or commerce has kind of the easiest way to describe this very straight four point of view in that instead of going around. It's just like screw. It just goes over the dune and back down the other side and over the dude back back down the other side getting a leg workout houses. I i hate it. This is what magic is for those sand votes in just celled chariot to gum care and have it prepared twice for one day eventually. Though after traveling the better part of you'd say about six or seven miles you make your way down and begin to approach towards what it looks to be just a small encampment. That's been erected hear. A pin sits off towards one side. And then you can see a number of small tents. You wouldn't necessarily consider them all that too small as far as like for human sized. They're relatively large. But you guessed through the equivalent of little pop up tents for the gear as you approach closer. You can see that. This area has been abandoned for some time and in the center of this is a small pool of water that just bubbles up from below it somewhat. You wouldn't say brackish so much as it's a little bit more muddy than crystal clear oasis that you would hope for and there's a faint so furic smell to it not so bad that you think it would be toxic but probably not pleasant to drink that being said as you approach the assorted number of desert dwelling creatures kind of scatter from around the edge of this where they made their way out and partaking of a nice little midnight drink. If we have any trips to lay we should do so now. I'm more of a magic when sem type. We're calm us. Nuts opens up the satchel. He's been carrying pulls out. What seems to be a quiver. Although in this case it's containing at tin javelin browsers pulls one of those out and starts to sharpen it. I guess sudi will Brush some dust off his plus one light crossbow. I've been carrying around for just such an occasion will get joop juniper would bow seek has like i got magic me to. We're just over here like yeah. That's why you guys worried about dropping your bringing weapons. I i will say though. I do have Twenty scrolls missile sell. If nothing else. I can be like magic crystal metric. Hey damaged damage. That is true. And i'm going to be taking a minus two on the my range of types. I'm still missing. And i i can give you a bunch of is. I thought you adjusted. Well no i adjusted to not take. The perception penalty was taking minus four on perception checks. I chose to get rid of that versus the magnitude range because very rarely do i actually need do range tax fortunate for you. I don't have my eyeball spell prepared so we just need to get you a plus two crossbow and then it will cancel. Just cancel it out. You settle in place tic tac toe with narmer and the sand this game in michigan. What's that oh. I changed everything. It acts like he trips and falls into the thing and wipes it out every time. He's starting to lose. That sounds like him but settling in the hours. Begin to steadily. Gis wash away as you wait guys not much of a small tucker. I doubt it but you know it's gonna care that we're talking yeah It's an intelligent ended. Masika would try to like start a conversation a few times and give up eventually go into a constitution. Check from the party san city. Yeah that's right. i'm i'm sleepless in seattle. I got a thirteen. I got a eight boy. Lots of fatigue going around going to cast lesser restoration. Ira will seventeen for nineteen masika. You're you're starting to fill this after hours and hours. Pass trying your best to keep your eyes open. I cast less restoration myself. Hollis takes a nap ohka somebody. Wake me up when the bad guys are here. I think you'll probably hear it. Sugar wake me up when the so call us is nothing. I don't have a good perception anyway. So no way am see in this thing so go ahead and give me a perceptual from the party. I mean i have like a minus twenty. But i'll try now thirteen for a thirty one arosa six which gets her fourteen but narmer roles a thirteen which gets him. A twenty-seven Well due to my. I coul- i plus to my perception so without natural twain i got. I got to thirty six. Oh i guess. I should roll for sugar. Since she's awake. Buck sugar gets a sixteen for twenty one. Wow look at her. Go all your leaned up against one of these tents hat pulled down over your face masika. Citra you're kind of sitting off towards the side masika having to use magic to give her a little. Pick me up kind of keep going center. You filling purdy tire by this point but not so tired as the be comfortable sleeping up against when you know. An dead monstrosities planning on trying to kill the actress. Y'all don't have magic early. Not magic that's going to help me with this. Kind of meditating off towards the side masika has periodically to stop narmer from asking all sorts of like scorpion. Care questions which funny enough or actually rather happy to answer all those because he's taken care of tons of scorpions then thing that'll talk about would let narmer ask as many questions as he wants to teach him how to properly set up little scorpion environment. Terrarium kind of thing and proper care of the scorpions. How to tell when they're not feeling good. You know popular scorpion moods. Gravity is gonna turn into Now i kind of imagined it already was there. I don't imagine he's like completely airport. You know a sealed container so there's probably dust blown in there from the sand all the time. There is nothing that announces the creature except for the first aero. Wow twenty perception. Jeez it was still under a forty forty-two correct. Yeah see again forty two. There's no way or columbus is a mid conversation describing the proper waste to tend to a scorpion gets trapped at a piece of rock avocados. Positive won't be related before he lets out a yell as an arrow slams fully just between his neck and shoulder and slumps him down. Oh overhead you can hear. This cackling must initiative from the party. Where actually do what happens. How rare to actually go right into any story. Xp for diplomacy crazy all right so let's go ahead and get some initiative from the party as eros come streaming out of the darkness. All-stock weather house gets a fifteen city kandahar. I roll a seventeen for a twenty masika. Seventeen twenty on who goes spicer. Who's hired this same finds three rolla got a sixteen for a nineteen. That time definitely didn't get close to that so give it to citra All six for twelve. But i suppose we would have probably discussed the tactics of this thing and probably why we wanna try to pull it out of the sky if we're all able to so i don't know if anybody's got hold monster sad one enchantment spell in my style book. I never really prepare it. It's it's impervious champion anyway. True there will dragon shout that can pull things to the ground. Nobody has to be webs that they can spider man like yank spiderman tangle foot bag. But that's about it. Actually a tangle foot bag would interfere with its wings. I do have a spell for fm with people's flight but see. I wasn't thinking. I was finding flying things. Today is one of those. If we'd actually had a full day to prepare student have wings way. They oh they just supernatural just and of course that's just great perkowski gets twenty-five good on him. You'll i i do have something that can maybe pull it out of. The sky is an anchor on his ankle. The bay cox aero slams into our commerce in the surprise attack around fifteen points of damage it rams into in courses with negative energy not knocking the geared to believe out of the triple digits. So you still say this guy has gotta be gotta be high khan. He's made of meat. That brings us to our commerce new much like all of you was sitting at the time. So he'll use a move action to get up to his feet and another move action to ready javelin since you can't just sit there and hold a weapon ready forever so just kind of flips. That looks up towards the sky darting his eyes around. I don't see it out. Maybe it's invisible masika. I wanna stay in mexico. I'll stand up and cast call. Lightning matt takes a full round anyway. So if you decide to stand up. You're going to use your standard action next round. Okay then no. I'll stay on the ground and start cassock to their feed masika like she's not worth the effort and start chanting and tony so kantar all right so i stand feet. I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make perception check. Try to see if i can see and shoot if i can see it. Go and make your perception took okay. That is a fifteen for thirty three thirty three. Yeah looking up. You can see it briefly silhouetted. It's not even silhouetted so much as you can see that. There's a slight void in the stars overhead. It's at least a hundred feet overhead. Just hovering will call out. It's about one hundred feet above us. And i can barely see it. It's not invisible. I don't think so i so soon. He's gonna shoot it it to the second range increments so he's gonna take more penalties but though there's always a chance of a perfect twenty Okay so then that's minus four over all so give me a plus eight for all twelve for twenty they. Twenty twenty doesn't even make contact. It just passed it. I didn't really think it would. But and you know find out if that era back later selling off into the night raw fifty is that you need fifty one or yeah okay jim. Also at flies sinner shooting straight up. It flies out to your maximum ranging permit which i think is like six hundred feet before it sells off into the darkness somewhere so god knows where that is in the desert. Now that's fair chairman holding onto these eighteen arrows for a long time. The brings us to the bay cook. Who fire on. Shoot me shoot me. Natural one will automatically miss or komo's guarantee liebler. I know fires again that time with a thirty two which will strike his target. Jeez i remember bake hawks are ridiculous. Shots for seventeen points of damage. Now he's out of the triples gets that third attack fires a third shut up so nineteen will not strike his target and it hovers great from there. We go to haul stark. Whether sam knowing where can i see it it's game mechanically. Speaking as odd as the sounds is it was using the sniping action. It actually is no longer co. it is no longer attempting to hide. So i can see now that it's just screaming down in firing down into the group. So yes you. Can't you can determine where it is pulls out of bone fetish points up and attempts to pull this thing out of the sky. With bone shaker it gets a fortitude. Save a range of this is ten times. Ten is two hundred feet. So i'm assuming yes. He is one hundred feet up. Uh you could say twenty on this fourteen. He saved by one. Dang it nothing happened ads. Very sad done even get damaged. It doesn't damage on debt it. Lets me make them do something By her he saved unfortunate. Well that was just them fire. Next time a little thing citra in the humber on. I stand up. Well going to stand up for one and promises. My juniper bo. There was only seventy feet. You can shoot them into your second. It's better than doing nothing. Yeah i'm gonna try so. I'm going to stand and i'm gonna shoot. I don't think i'm gonna hit with a twenty. two twenty. Two will not strike the bangkok as it glances off them and sells off into the darkness. Ashes a problem so that brings us to komo's who will he's not that accurate range but let's see what he's got a perfect twenty-one everyday man essays not accurate. He's still got to plus fifteen. I still doing better than me at gracious compared to what he's stabbing something. He's not that accurate so he is going to be taking a minus fix on this because he's having to throw for range categories volvo. That's a natural one. So yes as he hurls it up their he'll then use a move action to retrieve another javelin shuffle to the side. Masika hot and cloudy outside. It's hot but it's a clear sky. Okay do i wouldn't really defined as hot anymore. You're next to a small body of water outside of clouds and wind or hot cloudy conditions. It does the three d. ten instead of the three six. But i will uh smack this guy with the lightning bolt he can make a reflex save buddies reflects. We'll see a twenty two. Yeah that's as will call a bolt of lightning streaks down from the heavens claps with thunder. He's still six points damage. That's something at least. I can't talk more times from seacot to unless you wanna use your move action though extra. You've finished the spacing of a standard remaining. I'm going to stand up okay. You also have a standard action. Cast another spell. So i stand up and call the bolt. I'm done From there we go to sudi. Okay all right. So here's the move action to reload my crossbow and take another blind shot at this guy so you crank it back into place to fire. I rolled it to ten. That brings us to the bay hawk which die bombs out. The diving closes in until it selling no more than about twenty feet overhead. Hey as it swoops down reaches that point it then unleashes a horrifying solid now. That's right. I will need a will save from the party. Great fear fat or of despair visiting nurse. Just a fear fact- well okay. Maybe Right so how. Israel's in nineteen for a twenty eight. You're shaking. I roll nine for twenty one. Twenty-one you're shaken citra sorry masika carols fifteen for thirty one. You're shaken citra. Thirteen for twenty one. You are shaken or is also shaken team crap most important thing. Is that things within range me to grab. It did not want to fill it. Isn't that like panicked or something like panicked or frightened or something. Something bad it. Swoops down to that point Elvis they are in screams brea sue hall stark weather Magic missile nice tone extended finger thinking about doing something else. But i just want damage on this thing the quintet of shards streaks from your fingertips torture target seventeen slicing into the thing for good effect as it lights up purple light in the dead of night. Here it move extra many citra hamra true would like to open fire on this thing now. It's within her range. And you know what i'm gonna try to do. My wasps gonna be liz all rights so the shit creek sixteen per third strike target as your arrows streaks up and slams into the bangkok end who in max damage. So that'd be eight points of damage and my waspa- sore swarm bursts for my bow and surrounded promises. I think giving moves it. It's just an area. He's definitely be flying off to be five points damage. He's immune to the poison trimmed teams. They're trying their best to kill roldan. Eighteen that time for a twenty seven twenty seven. We'll strike your target as your arrow slices of into now three points down max. Damaged minimum happens to the best of us that brings us to our who throws his javelin other distorts with twenty six which will strike his target gets out of strength to his thrown weapon. Mr which is high i mean. Did you see that picture. He's strong mostly dude. I want him to seek as new. Best friend has been for sure for sure. A slamming into his target for twelve points of damage as the javelin strikes true. Wow nice from or to them pulls out another javelin shuffle five feet to the side to circle. We go to masika in thirty feet of each other area. Yes except for no. We're all within thirty perfect fear. So i get rid of those minus two penalties for everybody being shaken. Oh my gosh. i wasn't factoring that in twenty seven. Correct yeah twenty which would still hit five penalties. Hello victory there. We go to sue counter. Okay here's i wanna give big. And i wanna grab this guy and try to grapple him at a scam. So it's a swift action for you to enlarge person and then you're gonna have to put up four because you need to be under him. Because he's twenty feet up grapple him and then Yes so you can attempt to grapple. He will take the opportunity because i don't have improved. Grapple out his claw though. That's fine that is a twenty eight so as close scrapes across you as you reach out towards them okay. To make a comeback neighbor check. That was not great so that is a seven for a twenty one. Twenty one will not succeed. He as you to reach out and grab him but unfortunately slides out of luck do can you roll anything. I can make him role something with the minus four. But that's not going to help in this situation. I just knew you had something that made re roles. And i couldn't remember what exactly yeah brings us to the bay cook who slides back by hovers. Back failure fly check and fall on the ground. When that'd be nice. he will start with. He wants to kill that guy. But the seekers blessed enough forgotten lightning bolts and stuff hoss's blasting magic missiles citra just shot him twice bees wasps. We'll just start with citra then rotate around thing. It shooting sudi because you didn't hit him have not done any damage to i'm trying twenty nine hits citra. Yeah well dang. And he's not a haunt hits me on the news. I mean he's haunting the bay cox both plus two versus haunts very well so you take eight points of raillard damage. Three points of negative energy damage. Eleven total jamaica. Four hundred safe now why to nine. Yeah saw looks sorry guys. I at least got him with moss stings. It's your turn now. You feel a pulse of energy run three you as this era slams into your shoulder and your paralyze find then fires a arrow at masika with a twenty four now farewell. That will not strict target. I mean he's gonna hit me then fires an arrow at hollis. I very surprised if he had hit me. That's a twenty six. Yeah definitely gets me. Yeah even with my. My armor class is trash. I hide in the back. Yo twelve points of regular damage six points of negative energy damage elite fortitude safe hurt. I didn't like it and then a oh. That's my wizard world. Nineteen for a twenty-five. Apparently i'm just gonna roll. Nineteen tonight nice. Very good. See racial space right now. He then uses last shot on orcas with a twenty five which will strike his target. He has four tax revenue. Shot straight here comes for twelve points of damage total crap. Yeah i mean he's still over fifty crap over fifty fifty. That's what i'm about to do. He barely makes that safe from there. We go to. Hollis who's sitting there going recklessly. I'm not parallel house. Like you know what buddy. I better be pretty accurate in this. Beat i'm about to throw it. We're going to be have real problem. How is this going to throw her fireball In such a way that it only hits the bay cox she's got put it the center of far up and like the distance on it is crazy so you fire fire twenty feet off centers. You just catch him on the edge of it and center firing at twenty feet up. It's not even gonna hit the ground at that point perfection during some like instant physics here. Well this is like you know what i will all you gotta die. i don't like this one bit reflex. Save the dc is which is unfortunate Actually i don't think you mix it seventeen all right as role. Pretty good there for bill. I like that. A lot of is more like flam bangkok thirty sixty image. That hurt me. Probably thirty unworthy of me arms voice a but there is a detonation guidelines. Dowers shooting people in burns verily but it is still going to move now. I hide behind sudi but that didn't work before paralyzed. That brings us to or commas. Save or anything not a number of rounds at your paralyzed s. Honestly you guys are just really lucky that you made all those safes to begin with Continuing to make the save. Actually his sister saves a pretty good. He's not the hypoc guy would put forth. Save things on is what i'm saying. No no level of ranger non withstanding Have favorite enemy bake because that would be hilarious ulcers humanoids mostly for fighting other tribes. Hey that's not me. I'm sure he say thirty. Three with his javelin get jobs. Slamming home for another eleven points of damage. As the jeff lynne bolt slams into the back of this thing skull and woman slamming into marches over towards. It grabs it up with his human hands before snipping. Its head off with one. Pincer cool with that seems to be resolved. He talks the skull away in his bag. Yeah we wait for her to get loosened up real. Quick hollis points etcetera obvious. How long does this last. Only about another twelve seconds or so okay. Masika hats has arm and he gets thirty eight points back. I liked it. You think you can reach his arm. Your patent that case arms usca which arm calf which. I don't know which like what part of the scorpion is. The cat hunts sure which part is the calf but a little legs the little ones that are pokey but they don't have the pictures. I'm channel. Because i think i think well our friend is down still too. He got wrecked. Unfortunately he walked into the fight with one hundred sixteen point so he walked away with. What like forty or fifty something back. Twenty two points from the channel youtube channel a flood of positive energy through your allies or congress looks down at the body. It looks across towards all of you. Your people of your word. I am as well. I know you must be tired. But we should get back to the sphinx before dawn. You may rest their perhaps. Make your entrance tomorrow evening under cover of night plan. Then let us depart. He turns i imagine you turn to follow now having gained at the very least a form of entrance that didn't require stabbing people to actually get inside and i'm real glad we didn't fight him into seat fully in battle. Because could you imagine if he was able to grab that thing with this pinchers stab it and then chop it with his pole arm. Awful lot of damage if he really wants to plus eighteen plus thirteen plus eight than two plus seventeen plus seventeen sting is dragging number of attacks regardless though you set off and we will pick it up here. Next time assault on the sightless fix the said final rebellion a do y here so cancel. The ventures is an officially licensed partner pies. Inc mummies mask is copyright two thousand fourteen. Mommy's mask in. The pathfinder adventure path are trademarks of pyeho finder. Images property applies of interviews with permission.

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Talk Radio - Monday Morning Quarterback Week 14 Dec 14 2020

The Sports Comedy Show

26:43 min | 11 months ago

Talk Radio - Monday Morning Quarterback Week 14 Dec 14 2020

"Welcome to the sports comedy. Show the creator host of the show and this is another edition of talk radio. Today is monday december. Fourteen in the bait once again. We'll be adding morning quarterback. We're gonna take a look at some of the big stories that are coming out this morning from the big game yesterday. The networks got a couple of big stories. One of them is naturally carson. Winston given earth will touch on that rosser in touch on the raiders. Disappointing loss to the colts. Yesterday on the networks seem to gobble up monday morning quarterback they're crucifying the losers and praising the winters that's all they do but on the show. I tried to go a little bit deeper than normal story and find stories in a little bit more interesting worth following monday morning quarterback with paul on talk radio. So let's do a little taking care of business. Okay let's get started. Lasek a look at some of these games before we do the first story that i'm gonna touch on here which is kinda broke last Coming through this morning. And i'm very sad to see didn't to add my monday morning quarterback two cents to this story here and that is the cleveland indians. It turns out will be changing and their logo. Now if you recall god it's been six months quicktime goes now a couple months back. I did a story on the sports moguls. And i thought the cleveland indians had more of the most distinctive logos out there. The one that i thought was the best my all time favorite is still. The chicago blackhawks nonetheless. The i just think that logo was iconic in sports bet a time to change situation change in savary politics enter our sports and it turns out that the cleveland organizations taking too much heat from Native american groups in from other groups That want to put their two cents in claimed that the cleveland i watched who sees we know logo is what is the right word meaning defensive. It's offensive it offends indians. I think it's ludicrous. Is crazy. And i think the greatest one of the greatest out there short cleveland indians are going to change their and go. At least they're going through this the network twenty twenty one with the same name which is probably a good marketing concept so everybody can gobble them up. You can get because in twenty twenty two. There will be a new name in early names. Come out this morning on one of the big networks on. Abc to to be honest Was there possible. Possible name would be the cleveland rockers with that knee my white because they've got the rock and roll hall of fame that's a city known for rock and roll deep roots with rock and roll those back in the day. You know the pretenders had some big big movement there in cleveland any rate that name. I liked the story here is. I can't believe this is happening. This is pathetic. The name is not offense. Inhabits the indians that has asked how can you be take offensively. I i don't get it. I really don't i loved logo and spin. This team's been around the names been out for a hundred years and now you're going to say that it's no good so there's didn't end up with of something like the washington. What was the redskins now. The no the football team. How pathetic is this. We got a team here. Dot com football team. So what are we going to name. The indians the baseball team. I don't like where this is going out like. Story it bums me out. It's a shame. I by the indians i would and i would keep the logo in the new name. The indians would be if you don't like the lovell. That's your problem. What a great new team. If you don't like the level that your prom could you see it now. The if you don't like moguls at your power covering town you wanna go see you. Yes keeping that same moto so very frustrated with the story would love to see the indians. Keep the load on the name but now so my name is if you don't like our logo that's your problem. That'd be the new name team just like the washington football. I call them the him people who follow me the yes. They donate presents great name because they don't got no damning so cleveland. If you don't like our logo that your problem that's my vote for their new for their new name. Okay let's turn the football. We've got some football yesterday. There's some big games out there. let's start off with what happened at the desk. Start the raiders in the colts in. This is getting monday. Morning quarterback is well and actually story just broke here I don't have details other than the fact that the raiders are now firing their defensive goats. I guess they weren't happy with his performance. But was the death star. This is where the raiders play good. And this is what's supposed to happen. The death star but they're supposed to win in cover but it didn't happen this time at the desk dr it when something like this skywalker Yes the desktop. Pcs uploaded blown to pieces yesterday by the colts. They took him down handily. Kinda bomber Because big implications for the playoffs were involved raiders. Were they weren't a must win. Been on the schirn out but themselves the the back against the wall. They need to win. The next three then may need tiebreaking. Help probably aren't gonna get it. Probably the season. I said i did say even as early as last week. I didn't think the raiders are gonna make the playoffs away. Thought they were going to win this game. I thought it would get down to the tiebreakers or the last week or two. Unfortunately now that raiders blown up hall of all the discards pieces. the raiders. defense goes To pieces i think. The story on the raiders loss. Is the colts. This team is his incredibly is each week keeps keeps surprising they Put forty four points on the board once again. The story of the colts is their defense. They did have another defensive touchdown. I have him on my bama seaweed and their defense is incredible. Didn't get twenty to thirty points every week on defense and the reason being is because they cost her overs in these four points in that second the owed that a lot of time gets overlooked. And when i am but when it comes to the offs and even super both that's what wins the games so the colts a really got my attention and and on the other side are on offense inside. Philip rivers kit. Keep saying each week you know. Watch him deteriorate on. The over has not happened. Philip rivers doesn't have to be great. He just has to do what he's been doing in yesterday. Was a perfect example. No sacks known receptions and you can even take the second two-bit no interceptions no turn overs any through two. Tv's so he doesn't have to be great. The got rushing game in any. And that's what they're relying on. Jonathan taylor a hundred fifty yards. Gte's nine hundred fifty eight yards. They rushed for over for over two hundred yards in there and they know that. And that's their that's their offense. They're not relying on rivers rivers just there when they need on third down for a big play. And that's taken a lot of pressure off of philip rivers. It's incredible it's working on the colts of attention. You know. I just kept thinking some point. The is going to sit in on fall off. It has not happened. The culture earn credibility and they were just too much for the raiders and the desktop. You know they had twenty points at half. it was twenty two fourteen. The come on big in the fourth quarter. The raiders were in. Panic mode was seventeen point. That's where they got the defensive touchdown on the other side of the ball for the raiders. Can't run the ball. Derek carr was too much pressure in. Derek carr that defenses to credible so the big story raiders season pretty much done defensive coordinator Gone don't know how they're react. The raiders. I still think have or having a better season in one could realistically hope for after the last season. It's kind of a bummer. Concern a new city. A new stadium. Wanna see make the playoffs. Probably not gonna happen. Okay let's take a look at the other story that's been going on this morning with the big one is philadelphia. Eagles finally change their quarterback after we told them or after i mentioned about three weeks ago i mentioned on the show i was just shocked at the ever. Give jalen hurts a chance. They finally did he. He came up. Big and i do mean big against the saints of eagles. Vote against the saints ball team. You beat the saints. They win the game. Twenty four twenty one game. It was just philadelphia's game you know it's funny because when you watch some of these games the first quarter says the town and the tone was set that philadelphia. The score was zero zero end of one but the tone set. Philadelphia's defense was on. They had a new run on quarterback who was making third down conversions. He was making the things happen. And you could tell on the other side. New orleans wasn't connecting offensively. They were missing opportunities. They're missing third down. Conversions that philadelphia was in this game insurance. The exploded in the second quarter for seventeen points and the big story. As i mentioned his jalen hurts. Throw for touchdown pass. He doesn't make mistakes. Yes zero zero. Let's get back to the point that i was talking about about three weeks ago. Everybody was that time trying to analyze carson. What's wrong. And that's what i cannot say. It doesn't matter what's wrong. The fact is there's a problem in whether it's a problem you need to address any change it. Why not try. Jalen hurts the god for the specific reason. He was incredible college. How can you give him a chance. And they still were replete more. Which wild give. let's try. let's try this. Maybe we could run with him. Maybe it's a now. It's not working to analyze all the bathrooms you want. Making they did jaded hurts. Love the kid. I e an incredible game against the saints. You could tell it. Was the the saints game st to take that incredible game was eagles games. Take against the saints. Defense wins the good defense here. Here's jalen hurts he He goes with the new style. Quarterbacks in that is you can't just sit the pocket throat you come out of the pocket you got to scramble. You gotta make things happen differently to the rest. I'm like mahomes in unlike some of these guys wanna roll out in this start running sideways and trying to make things happen. He's very specific when he runs out he runs forward. He doesn't run back where he doesn't run sideways. He doesn't scramble. he's the playcalling they support. Better good he'll bootleg. She'll rollouts he'll have the whole team go one way and then he'll just run the other way because he's fast he's talking fast. Got speed once. The the draft is going one way he can turn around and go the other way and he goes forward. He runs straight down the field engaged yards. He doesn't play scrabble game. He's a little bit more like an are jackson. Just wants to go forward in make yards and he doesn't plus he's got a good arm. He's got an crowding rose. So big win for jalen hurts big win for the philadelphia eagles who are now back in the playoff hunt in that division that division all fourteen only game or two difference the bombers tiebreaker. That i keep talking about it screwed. Everything been jalen hurts now will probably take the hell in gig while make them a contender all the storm. The monday morning quarterback. They're still thinking well. Who's going to be the quarterback jaden hurts or as a or they going to go back to carson wentz rally. Come up is jalen hurts. He's earned it used. The is the person. Here's my two cents on this in this story. Remind topic here will go a little deeper than just the philadelphia situation. Why in the nf l. d. All your baskets in one quarterback it as something ever happens. You are truly screwed. The only exception has been the saints were tastes in buildings at a really good Comeback or a good second quarterback other than that. You have two or three quarterbacks the team utilize your second third string quarterback. Don't let them sit on the bench and russ used them more often especially in the second. Half if you're winning or losing there's a big difference. Get him in there. That doesn't put all your basket all your eggs in one basket with the eagles. Did they suffered long enough so on monday morning. Quarterbacks they don't have the the ability to think beyond the fact that there's only one person in the the core role in this case. I would like to see her. Be the starter because wentz needs to still play. You can't just give all to one person so he wants some good monday morning quarterbacking. I think the eagles are scenario where they could try to play with two quarterbacks. See what happens. Sadly my thoughts ideas probably won't before the show on bet from neat for me for what i see. Jalen hurts demand and Congratulations to him. Congratulates philly on their take down saints. That was the five star last week. Savvy five star. Pick was a loser. Nine four. i was pretty good Little bit of a backstory in that will lead to our next story. The back story. Leaving nicer i was going to take the bills last week on the five star trek. But i do wanna do two weeks in a row. Here's like to spread things out. I should've stuck with the bills. And that's going final score. Here was the sunday night. Game of the week we had the bills bills mafia was out and about because the steelers were coming to town so when the steelers coming into town the bills mafia were forced to this came in the bills. Mafia godfather. Put the kabosh to there are thoughts of winning pittsburgh fifteen buffalo twenty six huge win for buffalo buffalo now ten three. Just one game beyond pittsburgh for that second spot. it was all buffalo. It was an ugly game. There was snow when he was going to happen sunday night. In december buffalo. You think the sun was going to be out that. Put this game into the into the primetime spot. I forgot the out the cowboys from state on. This is a game that they wanted to put in the marquee spot so snowy game ugly game but buffalo comes up big and i do mean big. They opened up big in the second half and it was very clear that the bills buffalo bills will be wearing the bills. Mafia prevailed twenty six fifteen pittsburgh's got a problem is i. Don't i still think they'll be around. Come playoff they still think there'll be a force in. I still think there are also good buffalo in that category with the colts in tennessee. For all those teams in might be your very close but the problem with pittsburgh. They kept moving the football. They just dropped the football and it's incredible what and happened two weeks ago. They had seven or eight literally. Drop you and i don't mean not making the big players. I'll tell you the boston throat right to the receivers and they just can't hold onto it. It happened again last night. four or five times in right out of the gate the first the first possession and that's stifles the offense big ben got stifled of pittsburgh. Offense dig a test of the second quarter and then by the time they got another one was late in the game who cares. It was already clear that buffalo through buffalo had the big pit right before half the the big picture into points so it was still close game at half ninety seven but then buffalo opened uk stefan digs finally got going in the third quarter soda josh allen in now. That's the talk. Is josh allen and steph on there's more to this team than those two deep they've got qobeisi who comes up with big place. They've also got the running game. don't score. They don't run for a tiny yards zack. Moss and devin singletary but they made their third down conversion to get the ball. Upfield a little bit. And it's big. And even josh allen. We'll get out there and run so between those three yesterday. They had one hundred yards. They're primarily thrown team but the when they need the short gains their their form. And so when. I say deeper than just josh l. Stephan digs cole. Beasley dawson knox. Gabriel davis. These guys are all contributing. They're getting receptions getting targets and they're they're finding the end zone. Gabriel davis a touchdown yesterday. So their their offense is deep and their defense is good. Buffalo's defense is good. They're a quick. You saw how quick on that play when they made the interception the when he ran the pick says nobody catch onto that cornerback. They're just that good so big win for buffalo at home steelers a little bit of a funk i throw in the towel on the steelers the to address the fact that they can't catch the ball. Now that's that's accomplished story right there. The talk about a monday morning. Call combat. How gonna catch the ball trifold in looking at it. Catch it before you run that were stocked running down the field with alcohol. Put it on the latex months. Got these whiten in yellow latex. They need to take a page from when my own favor. Receivers afraid politico. That used to calm sticky. Go get a bottle. Stick and stick him on those. Dan hold onto the ball once. They figured that out. If they figure that out i still think they're going to be reckoned with in the playoff. They're certainly play down there in that group with all those other teams that previously mentioned the bills. Lafayette are starting to make clear. Hey murder best team in that second range group. You know as good as the colts are in tennessee. Running crazy with derrick henry And even cleveland which we're going to talk about that. The next two nights monday night game pick on for us well The fact in buffalo is there a clearly the better of those teams. We are right behind. Kansas city and make no mistake about a kansas city. Is clearly the best team in the afc. They are the best team football. I don't think anybody disputes that. Everybody knows that but Buffalo's making helicase josh elvis. Making the case for possible. Mvp candidate behind. The rogers steph digs just one credible acquisition is just a huge congratulates into the bills and mafia. Let's move on because we got monday night. Football up before we get a run. The scars of yesterday. And i'm not going to get into staffed cards to arizona. Twenty six seven about time. They came back in one kind of suspected they would giants look flat home. Minnesota goes into tampa bay. Tampa bay was rescued. Tom brady finds the grog others. Run getting connects twenty. Six to fourteen tennessee goes into jacksonville. The train kept a rolling asked. The derrick henry leads the league in rushing at. He might have had two yards. Td's again denver goes into carolina. Lock is back. He is the difference. Teddy bridgewater wasn't able to pull it out. You should try thirty to twenty seven. The jets go to seattle. We all know what happened there. Forty two three this game. You know not baffled. Jessie scored three point so that they got something to hang their hat. Green bay thirty one detroit. Twenty four detroit scores late in the game to cover the spread by a all. Those people would have the big package. The seven and a half. they're bombing washington football team. I'm sorry washington no neighbors twenty-three frisco fifteen washington keeps her lead in the first place of that division. It's gonna be good to follow down to the end. Atlanta goes into the charge of had atlanta and my portland and sure enough. They got wrong. Matt ryan throws interception late in the game. That ship the throne charges finally win wanted the buzzers lose one. That's around up volume. Nfl games from yesterday. We've got a good one tonight. Guys got monday night football into monday night. Football has your baltimore ravens center. Fire at the cleveland browns. Ninety three i liked the browns guys. Everybody thinks the baltimore has a chance at the because their schedule is. that's wrong. going down the stretch. They need this game this is. This is a dire need for baltimore. Cleveland is the better team. Baker mayfield has been doing good shot here. Ron and landry cats. I like i like cleveland swim. I think this is what i think you can expect in the first half. It's going to be tight lipped. I don't think you're gonna get a lot of scoring. But i think the scoring will open up. I see them going back and forth arm. History has shown over the last year for games. It's been one-sided surprisingly but i think this is going to be much closer than a one sided game. But i like cleveland to to stay. Stay afloat and keep their playoff races. Wanting cleveland is one of the last four games in a row baltimore dallas last week. Big deal with lost re. Before that i don't think baltimore's good as everybody thinks. At least their running game is back evening. Kobe issues can't really blame baltimore for what they've gone through to be honest so they're can have a dobbins back there that i just think cleveland's gonna do it here so that's your pick your monday night. Football's the browns surprisingly their dogs. I love dogs baltimore slight favorite on that browser the pet okay guys. This has been your monday morning. Quarterback don't hang up yet. Don't cut show yet because i've got a message from our old friends monty pie. I played this message weaker to a couple of people who aren't really got off on. Hey love here's a message from monty python by them now working you catch sports talk like that with the twist comedy only here on the sports comedy show on the bus route. Our i want to thank everybody for tuning. Catch me wednesday. We'll look into the playoffs. Would a bit more out yourself a good day again. I paul slater the created and hosted the show goodbye.

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Leeds Irish Centre - Half a Century of the craic in West Yorkshire

The Plastic Podcasts

55:50 min | 11 months ago

Leeds Irish Centre - Half a Century of the craic in West Yorkshire

"How you doing. I'm doug danny and you're listening to the plastic podcasts tales of the irish diaspora find us and subscribe to us at. Www dot plastic podcasts dot com here at the plastic podcasts. We'd like to think of ourselves as part of a community but never has that been truer than today. I'm here talking to not one not two. But three of the team leads are center. Which is celebrating fifty years of playing host to generations of the diaspora as well as such acts. As brendan shine and oac's the anniversary is being celebrated with a book fifty years in the making at its author sharon boyle joins me along with liam thompson chairman of the center. And tommy mclaughlin. It's manager. Tommy starts off the interview by describing the plants. The center had for its fiftieth anniversary before coded changed. Everything were. we're we're going to have bench. Chime by brendan shine. Opened the place back in nineteen seventy and we have been brenton back But an evening along with the philomena begley and others and that was on just one night. The the full week was taken up going to have the ahead of tonight. Ten people clouds people can leads and how they managed and how this plays became and lots of even down through once sunday with Blessed graves and you know it just have so much to do and it was just taken from. You do have the book we do. Have the book and hope play well. I know the book will be with us now the next few days. The book is fantastic. I'm really really pleased with about people. Abdundant people have them have given up time and unwritten memories and photographs given absolute could be eligible. So i hope people will take it on board as a souvenir of the last fifty years maybe in remembrance of their parents or something to pass on to their children i hope people will will take a boat as a as a memory of the center. We're very grateful for what she's absolutely though. Look that we could tied to on our own. And we wouldn't have made a good job anywhere close to where we are now. Not not even ten percent where we are now but we're we've handed professionals and being guided by professionals in shannon benghazi has brought to the right direction without around discussions we got out agreements or disagreements. But that's what it's about and trying to get to the right thing but when when we being down we've been down to the putting his already looking at coming off the press and to see it in actual flesh from something that second saw two years to get to this point in the when we decided we're going in the quality that the that the content is absolutely superb. i'm shannon had worked for. She really has done a fantastic job here. Here and ship them. What was what was the experience. Like of compounding. The book sir works being a year a sixty s and the in the making for the central year to me. I'm a journalist. I was invited to meet commit. Say by tommy who Israelites made by knows my jealous and a committee twice Put forward my ideas for folk And we we not far from the original ideas to be honest But it's actually grown from do forty or fifty pages is a hundred and sixteen pages and she's beautifully laid out at the folks with with Used leads spice media a designer might gone to photography james. Honda stay The quality of their work is really being sued pub. The princess again local princess so with tech very much within the city as it should be and over the year is gone from what i what before fifty pages hundred sixteen An filled with photos some great stories. And as i said this everyone in it from away so the whole shoe society. The whole shoe psychology society Isn't it is a sport. Yes and it's not a few years ago and the plate out here in the The the field and go go across one and quite regular at playing teams from galway and golden particular and they come over tools and we miss them at kirkman. they're here. You know the whole you know that sums up the sensory lie the eight every day it on us and preserves its legacy culture While looking at so by booking concluding axe from oasis And you know it gives up you wanna channels whether it's coach rising down saying i'm so mixture. I think that's why it's still success is because i feel Combines is passed it respects and preserves honest it's past and his older members a toll so looks to the future as say we've got got traditional musicians up but also got open coming robinson singers and poets During the first. Lock down the Use the timing. And i thought they they used the time to update the samsa. I'm when you all can you know it's like a a business conference. Our perfect venue for weddings. Big may things so looking ahead commercially. While preserving its culture we had a previous club. It was the old national build irish national down britt. It was a unle- publiz time. And of course was many many irish pubs as well but the only dancing hud was some transit but that was only under saturday night. Nine hundred sixty then came to shamrock can the case bloggers from london and they opened the shamrock In one thousand nine hundred sixty apple. You had another place to choose from saturday. As i said francis sunday in shamrock we used to go to san francisco shamburg on the night. In case you'd miss anything or Lots of people. Lots of people met their partners. Tell me when. When the sensor i opened and i think the thing. That's impressed me. Release the cash that the sensor offers the cat the counter about them as the camera about the community irish community in your care about the city in the wider region You know yorkshire's welcomed the irish Over the past two hundred years particularly And during the last lockdown aside from doing do we refer being the son saw twice a week. They were making sandwiches. Impact meals and hot drinks for the city's homeless and i think that's the perfect analogy rarely of sci-fi so the still even in download still look enough to the less fortunate and when the sense i opened you talked about every saturday that benefit dance says. Yes yeah i mean. That was the time when i'm talking about the Bill nineteen seventy nine hundred. Seventy one. let's work in the buildings that weren't covered by any health and safety issues. Or whatever maybe they can because she hunt that type of thing and on a regular basis we would have the benefit dances every week and that was a big way engraved in mali in the early days. But not when. I came seventy-five the weapons tests much. Is that because obviously People were being paid then as say regularly that they won't pay cash in hand so We turned then to the challenges and with him. We've been well known within the city For raising money but we we never shout about whenever one today praised or whatever people what we have done you know the thing stress tommy for certainly not irish linked charities either no not necessarily. I mean lots of wisdom for for the young people for the hospitals. The local hospitals in particular. I mean the first kick machines were bought from here and the machines with five kids machines in the end both for that leads gentleman firmly not only about the cowboys as well so that people could do home analysis and then as i say when beck soon came to the the council units in saint james raised over a hundred thousand pounds for that. And it's gonna no known as i say millions of the couches with an leaks area. Yes but where you you are ahead of the all time. I would like site because in q in nineteen ninety nine. They set to choose to lunch. Clo- fall old pensioners met the i sliced it at home. i mean. loneliness is a Fashionable subject these days loneliness longdale delay but the sense being looking after its excelled alive for twenty years and every tuesday novel times. They have over three hundred old p coming here for lunch games news music donald's and that's really i can say at. That sounds nice on. Tastic thing to know the josie club the people who come to a. We've seen people coaches and leave without them. The truth isn't it some people sometimes. This is tuesday. Columbia is the only time that some people get out during the week because obviously being al delayed the don't like going out in the evening of the stack and macy's home from home and eat something that's being with them all their lives. I know i own used to cancel. Hospital appointments that she was looking after granddaughter or something like that because she'd say ocado chose the chose even when i'm this satellite along with is when she was when she was able to know fuelling on tuesday. Don't know monday. No choose the yukon. The club wherever you and that was driving false everything. When a mother died of chad was empty for a week and the following week was somebody site and the chang. Because that's what is like. It's a family bringing somebody else in the family looking up. And that's what this place is like to be on this. This is always been a family place. It's it's warm welcoming edison business. You know we do what we do to volatile island over here in england and we look after everybody. Prince papa rickshaw poa. You welcome to the show and everyone's looked after and that's race about i. I say i tell people you like the nhs because you actually look after people cradle to grave Because you can have the all christening party right through to your way. Can everything in between your listening to the plastic podcasts tales of the irish diaspora. We all come from somewhere else. The lied center was the first purpose built our center in the country and told me was the emcee on its opening night. He tells me about how it all got started. Well i think what it was. Because i was a member of the old irish nash. I was there from nineteen sixty two used to go down to regular regular basis. And as i've said to many people at we succeed these plans up on the wall about this new place that we're going to have and we thought this would never ever happen and many many of my friends brought out raffle tickets out to the sites and the different job sudden raffle tickets to raise money for this place and eventually it it happened. I think it was because at that time was told many young irish melon and women in in this country. And you talked about the sort of the mid sixties. The time that they were being the being built and wanting another and these young people and were taught themselves. We want to stay in leads. We get married. We're gonna have a family. We need to play tomorrow and affect play to them they They put their heads together. And eventually approach the local brewery joshua technically at the time and They said right we will. We'll see what we can do that. Then the had them come through even michael rooney and the man who was on the council and he put them in touch with the People that to get the land for them. The a three acre site appeared on your code and then started to build the medi harrison. I'm sure you've heard about mary. How to some matter. How simple contract to that bill center. I used to see it every week because at that time and talked about sixty eight sixty nine i worked in ho and we used to go to open the a sixty four and we would pass this site every monday on the friday and we would see so progress in week by week and eventually twelve dandruff sixty nine it was complete and as i say it said it's an amazing place and has been over the years. Were there any objections to us at the time. I don't think the was not that i know are no. I never heard that actually and again you talk about the sixty to the good time served body darioush people particularly in lead. See to integrate very well and No i didn't many. Any noah didn't actually know when if the pictures in the bulk as picture of madonna from galway. Mayo man A friend of his and the two hundred yards down the road and they're actually build into the inner ring road generating nodia just two hundred yards from the sense is an you know this is now. Hi vis jackets hearts. Lauren ragged old clothes. That would have been thrown seen best days and they were the work clouds. And you think out. That's the sign of the times. Well that gives us a nice link into i she The more personal aspects of the stories. Which is that Obviously you're all sicom from from from irish background. And so on and and and sharing youtube yoda and thomas he was told me rather utah. Mount how How how there's a there's a history of the the the the irish in yorkshire feeds and is not some of the people normally associated with ours. I mean they normally think of the northwest. The midland's down to the southeast aren't they did do but leads. Leads in particular was also always known as a west of ireland town. You know and i think glenn back to Numb to the us to come this side for the farmers and the early days you know. I'm talking to my father. I came to the came at the twenties in the mid twenties and he came to the farmers in skipped and that type of thing. And then as shelvin says you know building buildings and buildings and then people sorta came ranch throughout the naveh work as he used to say. And the old days you know. And i think that's what people to yorkshire but again yawn and woman rigor family to be here and you would draw. Then other members of your family would come apart from the one village. It's not you know. That's a prime example of my because my mother came here because her sister came to leads an a an her husband doing building but my mother went into into engineering taylor. So you know it wasn't just the aspect of the building came over for was before she died as to what what brought you to leads. His family brought me to leads. What was it. What was it really like when he can be. Because you've come from from you know aaron island. That was quite relatively poor. Set to six and she went. I could get a job in amman joplin afternoon. If i didn't like the job in the morning light the find people who would get them jobs and that's what this was like an. That's the always together. Always helped each other. And that's what we. We thrive on a massive always have done. Spain displays has been the likelihood of the is community over the years. I'm lung continue to get down to the hardware. Everybody else has put into it the way. Get where we have to ensure. What did you say your family coming from. My dot is from was on raised in galway. When a seven fall winter america. Him and his brother. Jimmy came to england They started off as a what can farms and in fact With his with ma. Ma makes s friend jimmy donnelly. They slept in bounds. Both animals you know when they will hire down on femme hiring days as well enough yorkshire and lincolnshire then they were manchester and My mom vira norwich dance My mom's family of from mayo on lee trim wicklow and And but the settled in wakefield west. She and her son with did cycle but my granddad on on that side was a minor and again it worked with a man sickly from the west of island in impact. Some was leg right. What's it was seventy two. I'm lou one of one of nine of the nine far them came to england selden originally when feldon crew but moved to leeds nottingham and then she was joined by two other sort of thought of many many in in in leads and one and nothing of the militia from cloud accounting on an hour. But this is my my mother. Then as time went on we Because obviously we went the richest people in the whole. I needed to succeed in. Keep going and we used to the people we had were always from the local villages around where we were and some people went. Because we're young innocent irish fellows and all the win allowed to come to swing them went to susie mcgregor's and that was to go to a mother. Mother would look up to them if we have space. Find them somewhere. But my mother was like the go-to person to get somewhere so it was like is that they would have trusted person than new. Some new leads the could go to. I decided to house on a saturday evening. Knock on the door. An amanda with a suitcase come lacombe count in in county mayo. Criminal of you can get some. Where can you get me some wet to stay. And that was the evening then was trying to find some for them to stop if we could put them a find them work on the monday morning and it was. You know i can remember. It has been a a three in fall. You don't get the house was full of people. Not just those are the family of about brother and a mother and father but we had another five fellas. Nine is in the house and it was an absolute fantastic time best. I would do every single again even though we didn't have a whole lot but it was just it was just a fun crack and the fact that it was it was like an island over here. Who's in our house. And that was a nice for me. And i i could go back to ireland now and i can see the families know that we we had the the grandfather's actually came to us not solloway and now you see the families over the still. The family still remember that you know my grandfather went and stayed at your house and that that's fantastic to me because of that nature and that connection stay forever and that's what this place latkes. We've got people that came here in the in the fifties and sixties and comeback and retired about so island book when the when the combat leads the first place to commit suicide star because the home got family here but this is not some tastic. That's why we will place places all about you know. I think i mean the same grandmother which thick sauce and my uncle told me. There was a small hell in front of the farm why they left when growing up in a little. Hamlet called lie middle in galway and they would leave. The farm goes to the local transaction. That's now closed down. The train would go past two or three fields away To get the boat and my uncle jimmy. That should the delays. That walks the train station when they're on. The trench stood on the little. Hell with the towel waving goodbye. And i think you know. I've i've waved to children of the universe and read about people being stricken and so on. I think how much she file waving six off. Never knowing when she'd see them again. I'm one false. Go home phase out breaking. I mean that's the cost of migration. It is heartbreaking. And i think that's why senses lying face apart from having a great time on a weekend but when my story my story is a little bit like liam's my parents were remanded in london and They the bummed out to london. Doctor britain and mother was expected to be at the time and she was told by the authorities that they would have to evacuate her so center a white. Where would you like to be. And she said well. The last time. I was speaking to my husband. He was still contract. As at the time my father worked for the war off seat was a bricklayer by trade and he worked for the war office in in repairing damaged buildings that belong to the government so anyway they moved. She moved up to stoke-on-trent. And that's what. I was bone in january of nineteen. Forty one apps app to that then a few months later she. She moved into mexico which is in south yorkshire and by the move that is because her sister and a younger sister was expecting a baby and she wanted to To help them through my father went into the minds downstate and we then just like nightly was saying we took in young lads says launches mainly from two mc eighty believe it or not and again the small house that we had was absolutely packed with unions. They didn't want to be nowhere else and didn't live with those used to come to us on a sunday to listen to to radio. Athlone and this Football on whatever young girls that was in the local hospital that was over for my much hospital used to come down because they had no to go. So there's calm because again the have damaged connection there. My father as i said had an allotment. Instead of growing flowers he kept pigs. And i remember at one time a had between thirty and forty six time so you could not get jodi. The jordan delayed forties and fifties. We have plenty of food. I have plenty obey ken. We have loads of bacon because he used to kill two pigs every six months. But having said that you saw the at sea to the older people in the street to make sure that they have plenty. But my recollection of those days was seeing hams hanging from the ceiling and down the seller. Then he would. He would kua kua that the ham and all that as i said dad about what the respect that bad and when when i went twilight then just maybe maybe about twenty years ago. Now people from takeda came out to meet medsearch possible. It was unbelievable and one day in the center here. I was just constant through. And i saw this couple sitting down and i just acknowledged him then coming back. I thought i'd just sit down. Just speak to these people. So they said i need to have the guinea info commend. Here you need to have said no she said i want you to see some things. She said so our husband put his hand in his top pocket. Took this photograph. And it was of himself a my mother taking the backyard mexico back in the late forties it since gone to americans to chicago in particular and it was absolutely amazing so it cannot commit an image moments said you certainly come so when top home and whether looked after noon then reminiscent about all those times in mexico underpaid. Of course we've got thing about island here. We used to have them sent over at christmas from wrapped in newspaper going into the stumps on the on the ham and go to the post office. And he's hamad arrived. Half the newspaper in the stumps is to come on the pig. It's unreal unreal times. Good times your listening to the plastic podcasts tales of the irish diaspora. If you're new here. Oh even if you're not and you want to keep up with all that's new and fits to broadcast well. Why not subscribe simply goes to the bottom of our home page at. Www dot passive podcasts. Dot com and papa address in the space provided one complementary click to. You'll be on the list and notified of each fresh podcast. We'll be back with the gang from leeds irish center in a moment but first the plastic pedestal. While i asked one of my interviewees to name a member of the diaspora a personal or cultural significance to then this week. The performance poet. Su andy and a pistol with the difference. That's really hard for people to save. Maya angelou by mine to open up one. I don't think too much. As honestly there is an permanent public gap lockwood side collectively would struggle. I think i'm such an odd. It's not particularly. I'm not trying to be modest. Say no i'm not particularly good person. I think bernanke at three people. And i think when i know and can meet someone and decide. Run away with around light them. Don't mind them. And sometimes i don't like men do some off side and then i was rights. I think i read people very well particularly in when i'm working i'm into sunday. Ninety percent of the time that can be right. And i read how aren't got to behave. You know the must myron jude talks about. We wear the month. I work with people. Nothing i could handle his person capital that naive Rate's gonna be ready for. It's going to be out of all but be ready. Y. correct Between and some days that don't do very well on a snap. Nicholson am the aggressive woman and time like a shopper in shopping complex so they're these range of people and each of them offer something down. I admire you a thought to rebuff may may onto. I trusted new. I can go to the lines and and the rest of them. Sue andy there and if you want to hear more of what she's got to say and frankly why wouldn't you then go to the episodes page at. Www dot plastic podcasts dot com all. Find her interview on spotify amazon. Or apple podcasts. Now back to leads and irish center chairman. Liam thompson describes how his career started with a spot of bar. Work about nine thousand nine hundred eighty three. I was passed fair. And i must admit it was an accident of how i got job here. I i probably had too much to drink. Evening and Christos the pow manager hidden. Who's been here for two years longer than seven years and came out from behind the by must've fall asleep i to my actual fall asleep. I remembered him stopping me on the show waking up lose nobody knew pat from me and hit and he just looked at macy's now you wouldn't you be to behind the barrel in front of asleep on a chair so i know yes he'd give me a job. I will give you a w says next friday. You will come in here. Seven o'clock so friday. I ends up goes into the game added jeans and a t-shirt so walks into the baddest and he's still on the the job he went. Yeah go down status. I walked down and it was a full dinner. Dance dance people. So it unbolted and alabama's in black and white dickey balls and everything and i'm independent genes in its asia. You said now you've learned your lesson. Ask what java is but you're always going to get less it's always going to get. This is a this is like a lifelong obsession. The tommy admit to that is becomes is something that never leaves you. You know they say heifers not so. It's always been able to me. How old are you the time. Oh i'd be twenty two twenty three at that time what you doing before then i was. I was at school and college and things like that i was. I was actually working for judge piece on the buildings i was doing. I was in the office this was. We used to come out here on a friday night friday night saturday night sunday night you are you here and this place was the time the by friday night saturday night and it was. It was the only place to go really hats. If you're the shots here. At what point did a sensor in leads to take over life. I think i became by staff at. Its ex-soviet something really honest. Because we've got we've got past after here now. You loved nineteen twenty years of age and include. My daughter works at university december. She'll be back absolutely adult uplist. The adult the atmosphere the adult. The crap have with with with everybody. That's it becomes lifelong friendships. Peop- clue i wet within the by. How lifelong friends. I still talk to them. We still may. We still go out for drinks with you. Know we we again that friendship. And tommy you know as a manager at that point my manager at that point and now as we work a great team together southbound christie in july and marian everyone is staff would a team. It's not it's not lemonade. These it wasn't a joke. Cycle knows the reason there mccain isn't it tell me pick up move absolutely. Christmas is nominally at christmas gentleman chancellor four hundred and sixty at lunch in the rays last year there is a quarter million pounds. Tell me on what the day before we got turned these room around in an hour so we have to get found in sixty guys and ladies that are drinking any giant house out here in clean the room of In and between everybody from committee to to buy stuff to any best friends anything will commit an everyone helps to end the place around. Because that's where it's like. Everyone just has to dig in health and told me you've been hearing about forty five. Obviously christie's got the record of forty seven years hands but the forty five years. He has been here for threatening night. I was. I was their opening ninety. Nine hundred seventy s the compare yes at once and i stayed for about fifteen months and then i left them because i said i was working out of town and three kitties wanting another but i came back in one thousand nine hundred seventy five than as the manager. Yes so Yes it hasn't. It hasn't always been an easy ride by no means but sasser said might myself from chris worked together as a team and we always set we a set out benchmark fairly high and we will look. I think we would ahead of our time. You know just ahead of the posse all the time and just said they're talking about the boys that liam and behind the we had You know dj's here. Becky nine thousand nine hundred eighty you know when digit time was thought to be something else but that encourage the young generation of irish people to come along as well as you show benz. You had you had your disco as well. And that's what encouraged. At that time. You know i would say between nine hundred eighty one thousand nine hundred and ninety five percents that would be. You're absolutely political years Because you had both youngsters and older people together and It was great. It was you know. It wasn't always easy. But we had a passion for the place and we wanted it to succeed and we made it succeed book time for it but you know with look up look complete. Eighteen months ago we did a eboni damian and virtually dots thomason died twenty when he was age of hot complaint. And we did. We did a fundraiser here. Just to raise the money for For the half pat unit and we invited all expand stuff that with some people that came through the door that we we we thought would not a success with eight. We're not able to tell me away. I was still with the doctor who was a asked. Could we raise funds to them. And as i'm still doing the bath tell me that got onto the state to save some bits and pieces and the doctor said to me with so couple of grand out. This way i went I think you get your catalog out. Be more than that because he wanted fourteen thousand pounds for that come in like three days it may be to so much invasive surgery so we re twenty thousand pound could with so this is what it's like is that they ex by staff treat this as as as home. The walked to the dawn. That never left a nasa site with with. You know you're saying that about what keeps to here. This is this something she count scrapped displays thing la in the ball we we do have some famous names talking about what the slippers to what the sense means to them and One of the names is capulet. And who was guppy. She's you know despite some tv journalist. And she's done. She pinkett was locally And i also got to rise. To peace and hamams sagged christine. Hammam said we always fell. Okay when we knew the kids were down here because we knew it was safe. And and i think that's nice and copy talks about you know. Great peace relations talks about coming down as a teenager. You know romantic shenanigans as a teenager and then of course. She was misleads roses. Truly was it. Misleads amish yorkshire. Santa rosa truly young man. And just you know. How really gabby on christmas both say the irish sensor help shapes cha uh thickness nathan contemplates mazing tribu. I'm brendan shine to say the sent to help them. Nine very early days. I i was just about nathan. We will hear the night you played him and you know sixteen seventeen year old lab probably ten people in the in the angel him and afterwards i sat down with him and talk to because he looked a bit this out and just said to him. I thought people went. Look he's a star is just a big staff area and he says this will work out really as just trolls. Tommy until the guy called nikki. Jamie nikki will the central's an awful lot to make cuba just trusted. Follow up and tell you do and you'll you'll get places and then after a little while playing the game is and the game was getting fuller and fuller said on the big stage the big side of the and then he got on the big stage and he's playing on these on the big stage so we only looking at one guy on on the size of stages of the been lost obama behind him and it was just like it was staged to somebody's career succeeding. And now you look at me he's playing arenas you know. Thousands of young absolute and alexei. He's done a lovely piece the for the book and he'll stay. Tommy gave him a specified gigs of many could buy them instead of going round. These grandma the speak the calf. So that dotson is. We've helped people on the way in and that's what it's about helping some on the way i guess that's what started the grant thing about i was gonna share in Whether any stories that you had to miss out from the book no a thing we did. Lee sold out. We asterix to swear word. That may be the way. She's lake could be used fruity two hundred and when we actually to just australia It'll feel anything left out. Is there a favorite story then. Fe do i some of them make me laugh. Some of them are fine. Quite such thing I like chris miles account again. Chris talk polite wrote of very affectionate piece about growing up coming here as a child right through childhood. Teenagers how we used to watch. Dj joe still active in the sensor and he loads lucerne. Jealousy called him. As joe would say. Let's floods music loads and loads of food The bef- is not open but chris. Who knows how about sure. Crisis career So that made me lost. I loved amin of their waste story. When the king of really before the made beg and tommy tommy tell well yes i mean no issues. I mean i didn't know them from out at the time. Obviously and then one of them came up to me now and he said i can up on your phone Said i cannot. Your phone is that i want to. I want to mother. And i must have thought when the must be in ireland. You know obviously you know. And a said noah said muslims in manchester johnson is no problem so of course said into the office. Phone call twist mother in in in manchester. The different the question. He's always getting asked. The question is was instilled in aclu but so the with the here for seven pounds and the backing band was ocean colour scene. So you wouldn't get them. Two hundred pounds takes over seven pounds. Who seven pound cake says the two of them would have ocean colosseum seven pounds. A ticket catholic. Whilst at the question will tell is star. People say so the the the british came in. Tommy tommy can use your phone. Needs let mom know. We've got like obviously crossing that very dangerous. Sam sixty suit. Go go from manchester to yorkshire so the question so meals gets switched from whilst still very nice polite. Loves eddie nice. You're listening to the plastic podcasts. Tales of the irish diaspora. Follow us on facebook instagram. All twitter the leads irish center has served its community through two generations through the troubles and beyond i ask sharon liam tommy. What changes they've seen. This section starts and ends with tommy. I think i think from my perspective. Is that oversee the people that this place was built for an said fifty years ago when the mid twenties and now seventy seventy five and eighty and they have sort of moved out to the equation and you are now looking for the next generation second generation which is not easy because there is so much them to go and leads leads as a setback in one. Thousand nine hundred. There wasn't much around for young people. Young people came to us on a sunday night at today. Now every second place in the town is is is a borrow cafe or whatever. I think things have changed very much. We stood up the young people at the parents that have got kids dancing patterns that i've got kids commend to the to. They killed him to the music. Lessons is still have that type of thing but they young young people is very difficult to to to get the young people in like what we did. that's been an liam was about ninety two. If one thing i will say though is when the lockdown happened now and that the when it opened up beginning july. It's it's a change isn't it. We the people of of because the the apple going into town the one bit more security. Come lot busier in that song. Respect we've people saw some people that were would be. Sporadic have become regular. Saw the mark the feel safer here And you're gonna do is you're gonna welcome with open arms and hopefully you know that a knock other affecting in the years to come comforted over confident. We'll look will look at other iverson that lucky where we've had with a great management and without good kamei's on we're financially sound and we we go forward thinking when whenever whenever looking back going. That's my seat saw. A solitaire leads in the irish. Haven't changed The whales changed. We've stayed the same was still still. The same niche was still. We prefer to go out and enjoy ourselves at six hundred. I'm looking for welson. Been be really honest. We're not what on into the launch people Average for the crack and the only stop at this to be honest whether you be a doctor. Are you digging the roads. You the same person when you out to any any of the adults and the thing the thing about the places that they're out for fifth phone that's what the irish people want at least. That's the hard thing about about bogut at the moment in time his the fund that the one the cat gets Wick's not come away are confident that when these finishes i think people just want to enjoy themselves an awful lot model thing. I think this is like a sea change. If i'm being really honest in in people's attitudes they've looked to false twelve months and now the going to be out with people. So i think the irish haven't changed the world's changed From from our point of view is that the population that leads as old as tommy william We don't have as many of the people won't come to the downsides offing. But the fact is that the wants to do that softening. We're here for them. It's a pleasure to see the crusades groups from from the from the cultures from the young kids and even the irish dances from like two three years of age when irish dancing To the lady some the book from the book cova well. Champion irish dunster. Eight thing that the he's always evolving it's instead of it being Let's say you know holidays granddaughter. That were saying it's not solving. It's not it's this year for every about family and not just the average family this this desire for the for the people that live around here as well we. We have a lot of of indigenous population that the palm pass last sentiment on fantastic parts about writers center. We we you know we were open to everybody that we look after and isn't just an irish community is a community. And that's what's the best thing about where we're one of the best parts of the community around here. This is these falls in this building and everyone knows to look to us if the need help like aluminum which charities and things like that but this this show mentioned earlier about the food for the community. That just didn't happen for the people on the streets. Well lockdowns on. That's been going on for years. Something that the show about the never have shot with about this. The so many things that happen here that that we do in private with. We don't need we don't plaudits for that we don't need don't pass on. The back is just something. That's the right thing to do because we're here to help. And look after not herethe. It's of over the by saying it's not like this is. This is a community and where it's up proud of nixon i resent. We're proud of. And i'm so proud of everybody near lamb. I think that's the impact of our sense is that is that the local people know our through that then they know how to value that they know what we've done and and that's why when dope was bad about the bad times in memphis sitting out in the in the car park in in nineteen seventy six waiting for the place to go up You know the police saying Coded message it's going to go tonight. You couldn't believe it and just you know couldn't believe that this happened leagues and the thing about it is the naturally we fit into community not not not created a fouls around secure. But you look at when we were fished in the stuff on on facebook. One of the neighbors met a handmade. Didn't brought the catacombs Enable the to be on people. Leave here that can be a bit noisy all that sort of thing but because they respect those in respect the place and we respect them all the lie. They couldn't wait to be a card. Which was it was so touching how made capped brought together. And that's what it's about is would would as equal path these communities the communities paddles. And that's what the pleasure to these places serve. That's that's the the probably a cat scratches is finding about little little sausage other places of lost in the washington lost that i resent as than that. That's what we we live up to that point. Where was so thought in in what we've done how we've done stuff and how how adoptable with being an fit for the stem mclachlan. The few years on the clock good. He's got a if you could wind back another two years would be. It'd be all because we see for years but we but the fact is is that a new idea. Every day is is something that it comes with an i must admit they. Sometimes he walks if stuff anything gama wet for his. You know you get on with it and you do it. And he's doing something now in regards to pascal's people for christmas which is fantastic for people. Ls fortune themselves again. Something not being shot with about what going to do it. We get on with it and going to plan an this is is is is about. Everybody took out to every part of the community. They don't have to say tire sent on everything. What else to say my full. Because i got from somewhere thing. Two hundred years is a long time in history is and you know i've got my My great great grandma. Not my stomach came over from the phone onwards and it was even to when the chemo you know. In the genealogy i've done in the eighteen seventy census which would have been the first sensor. She was yeah. She couldn't ryan speller surname. But she was. We don't and not fall kids to bring an sh- leaped in the yard in white sealed. Knit with the people from lee tram and you think life is tough in the lockdown is barring it's annoying and all that life is too high for lots of people but they had each off in the past fowler site sites meister you just have to get on with that you know my own. Mom was university. Bri assay very clever. What can the mill at first team. And they've walked the path so we can behead where we are now today Warm houses could socialize. Good friends one is to pay the bills. Most you know most of us. And i think we hung full. You know. I think the the beauty of the sentence it pays tribute to the past. It doesn't get to our workshop but it's also looks forward and you know that's chewed on. A great attitude. Is anyone who wants to get on goodwill to them and you know if you've got links to the sense that's great we're proud of here. I mean the man about people's struggles i mean. Tell me struggles famous. My my my father died. When i was thirteen years of age so my mother was a widow at forty eight years of age and just did not not you know. No pulling may The community around and she got some help from communities dow with. but then it's that resilience the you know you've got to get on with it because that's what it's about and that's what the irish communities about. That's tommy tommy will tell you that. The same with father died when he was young a the strong women. That's the good thing of felt. They resent the strong women have helped everybody. The i'm gonna be strong strong woman. I'm that's the truth and that's the irish behind strong. There's a stronger. Do so take except you grateful for the the nature nurture that was that was given to us and now and i felt we can pass that onto this and say you you know yourself your family the same family the same. It's not the something different about about the nature. Nurture that we've gone. It doesn't just look for what's in it for the mates watson for everybody in doing. How can we do it. And that's the right way to bring people walk into when she'll be about of got one final question and basically what i'm gonna do is ask you. I mean only when i when wanna finish these interviews. I asked me what it feels. What what what a means to be a member of the de aspect to them and things like that. But i think because we're being specifically about the About about the are center. I'm going to ask you for three woods. Each three words that describe while they are center needs means to you. And i'm going to start. Liam infamy crack phone. Happiness sherry resilience. His strike carrying tiny told me my life affect. You've been listening to the plastic podcasts tales of the irish diaspora with me. Doug danny and my guests. Sharon boiled the thompson. Told me mclaughlin of ours since music by jack divining. The book fifty years in the making can be ordered online by emailing book at leeds irish center book code. Uk and is available twenty council back and ten pounds paperback plus postage. The podcast saw supported using public funding by arts council england.

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412: Broncos Lose All 4 Quarterbacks; Brady Vs Mahomes; Tyson Fight; F1 Accident and Fire

The Steve Warne Project - Sports

22:52 min | 11 months ago

412: Broncos Lose All 4 Quarterbacks; Brady Vs Mahomes; Tyson Fight; F1 Accident and Fire

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Order your pizza masterpiece building from fifty six fresh ingredients than in classic neapolitan style. They slide your custom thin crust beauty two thousand degree oven for ninety seconds moments later. You're enjoying those rich delicious. Paiko flavors unlimited toppings fourteen dollars. Paiko one seventy metcalf or to thirty-six richmond road project sports and whatever Hey everyone welcome to do podcast week. It's the wpa. Podcast all about sports. And whatever you episode. Every weekday. Stephen jimmy back again. Schmooze ended up jimmy. How is the weekend The weekend was fine. Everything everything was fine and was watched. Some football snooker. I told you. I've watched i watched a little snooker's big uk championships are on But my buddies. Oh my rocket ronnie o'sullivan's out that's the end of that I don't watch it live. Watch on your gets up on youtube about seven or eight hours. So anyway i watched the kc game. That was good tons of action. You know tons of offense. Holy god well i gave up on it after the first quarter and then i saw just before you had touched base with with me this evening as we record this on sunday evening and i just watched the first quarter. I said this is over and i stop watching and then all of a sudden will. This game is suddenly a game again. I just flipped on this back back on something meaningful. So i definitely watch the ending. Casey snuffed out pretty good at the end but tampa bay with a valiant effort. Anyway sort thirty derail your thought there. Now that's okay. I was going to say. Tom brady playing patrick mahomes okay. What do you think the over under is on turnovers interceptions zero zero one. Maybe i don't know how how many were four. It was like like so good. Those guys are but but but then a bunch of intercept and so it was kind of weird. Anyway mahomes is still. I mean the first that first quarter tyreek hill was the story like one quarter. He had already had already caught seven balls for over two hundred yards and two touchdowns like is one of the best quarters by any receiver ever ran. See fun to watch right. I i didn't see the first quarter. And this i saw it at seventy seventy nothing. Then i i was doing some other shit so i recorded it and then went back right. Which is the only way to watch sports tv tv. Are the thing okay and then zip zip zip zip zip zip right through everything else. The best last certainly. Football has a lot of downtime. For sure if you're gonna do that in any sport it would be the nfl. Yes yes for sure. So i did that and then i was. I've been following my of course. My girlfriend dusty won the masters then so he they've been. They've been having one big party since he wanted. You know pauline backup on social media shown this great absolutely horrendously beautiful time that they're having with this and then i see today's stevie you know you've you've been in a nice house need of those you see that the guy's got a little bar fridge. They're set up. That's a nice little touch their you know a big brick fireplace in saw dust. Lay down five mil pocket change not a house with private island so i wanna make my way there one day. How's that how's that is a feature on the house you got there. You can park your yard here. Eight thousand square feet. It's got that and they kind of leave it till the end. Stevie like it's it's a throw on got three balconies with ocean it a swimming pool with a waterfall in slides for the kids anyway. Beautiful and an island. Oh god have an island. You gotta have the old island god. If i had a dime for every time i heard that anyway i just. I just finished reading that. So good for good for him. well launch in because I mean we already touched on a bit of the nfl action and The one story. I mean tampa bay casey. That was the matchup of the day. Kind of that passing the torch thing. boy mahomes really did a good job putting that thing away because it looked like if tampa bay put together any kind of a defensive stance of tom brady was going to get the ball back but pat mahomes very calmly just fired off three hours ground our first downs to just snuff out any possible comeback and like you say the kind of felt like a passing of the torch is kind of over. It's been overstated right about how good this guy is and signed the half billion dollar contract and a lot of the talk. All the time is watch how he can throw against the grain. Right how you can do this can the culver sidewinder but you know working to his left in. Throw it like forty five degrees right. You know. i'm a guy. I mean how out. How many times can a guy do that. And then when you see it okay. You're just like holy. God is that i was dislocating shoulder. He doesn't all the time steve. All it's no wonder they can't defend the guy running full steam left full steam left and then firing into the right sideline from the is incredible. Yeah he's the best of all worlds because he's very accurate. He's a strong arm. He can you know you can throw the other arm and he needs to throw against the grain. And so i mean just seems to be seems to be physically built. You know to take the hit once in a while. It seems like most of the quarterbacks come into the game that are scramblers and such. It seems like they're built like a wide receiver a lot of them. This guy looks like he can take any kind of punishment that occasionally might come his way but he rarely gets hit all the same and that that play that he made to just scramble around in the backfield late in the game and then run for the first down that really really put tampa bay out of that game. That was vintage mahomes for sure. Yeah and the you know. He'll he'll run all around the pocket you know steps back does the five step back and then and then scrambling you know. The the guys all alluded the blockers and then he's just toying with them. You know it's come and catch me and you think you think it's going to be the okay. He's gonna step out of bounds here for yard short and nine times out of ten. No no a fire to pass their underneath his arm between his legs and and flipped with his left hand. This guy's insane say he's a beauty for sure still on the quarterback front the denver new orleans game despite the fact tampa bay. Casey was a a better hyped up. Matchup this denver game to be the sort of novelty this curiosity. Because they're taking on the saints and the saints are very good ball team. They're looking for their eighth straight win going into this one. And they got it by the way and no surprise to anyone. Because the broncos had no quarterbacks and we're not saying like the starter got hurt. The starters out the backups out the third stringers out the fourth stringers out like there. There was such exposure to covid nineteen that the nfl rule that none of the broncos could play they all had to go into quarantine and that left them with nothing. What what do you mean like. They had no. What did they feel the team. Well when i saw the news. I was wondering is denver going to forfeit this game instead. They had to dress as their quarterback against the saints today the rookie undrafted wide receiver off their practice roster because he had played five years ago or something in the nc double a. ranks. It was crazy and it didn't seem fair to me. The denver even had to play this game. Maybe postpone the ravens. The steelers of other game push back not once but twice. They're supposed to play the ravens. The steelers on thanksgiving day but as we all know the ravens had a big outbreak of Of covid with their team. So that games actually going to be played tomorrow or tuesday and So that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me like if you're ever going to push a game back you'd think it would be a game where one of the team have lost all four of their quarterbacks due to covid i wonder yeah i totally good point absolutely. I would've i. How did they out of the actually say okay. We're gonna play the game. Knowing knowing knowing all that stuff about postponing thanksgiving. It could be a giving them a. You know a bit of an a rap on the knuckles because there is some level of blame on this thing. It wasn't one of those one of those things that happen. The broncos sound like they weren't behaving very responsibly. Four quarterbacks and this is this all based on an associated press story so the starter drew lock the backup brett repin. The practice squad veteran blake bortles. They were all deemed high risk. Close contact with them. Three quarterback jeff driscoll That happened on a wednesday. The day before driscoll tested positive for covid and a source as saying that. The four quarterbacks apparently weren't wearing their masks the whole time they were together as required by the league's pandemic protocols right. So i think you have a situation there james where maybe the nfl saying. You know what you brought this on yourself with your behavior. The game goes on as scheduled. Yeah you know what. I and i would tend to agree. I'll tell you why through all the covance stuff steve. That's been going on okay. Since march and the frustration and the economic collapse that it's it's you know that that people getting hit with what to do with kids. Schools opening closing not sure what to do right down the line from businesses to families To everything social gatherings meetings whatever. Okay travel all of it. I will say this. You've got to give it to the government and the health organization because they are right up to speed steve all the time all the time certainly with the amount of cases that are happening so no one's in the dark here right you get these sort of hourly updates. It's incredible right that they're saying there's okay there's former cases they're seventy there was ten today you know and the other thing is the protocols for it okay. You can't help steve. You cannot help but hear them and see them. Okay there. there's i it's everywhere okay. What you shouldn't do what you should be doing. They deserve a lotta marks right for telling people on and on and on and on again and over and over and over again right there's channels devoted to it and there's updates all the time so maybe denver does deserve that. You know if you if you think you don't know what you're supposed to do right now. You're lying you're right. You can't help but know what to do so and there's none of that right. There's no one else there saying well. If they gave us some information you know they've been doing an unreal job so so the game went about as you'd expect denver with their wide receiver from the practice squad right up there and tries to become an. Nfl quarterback can win. What is as well as you'd expect ya How about this more interceptions than completions. That rarely happened. He was one of nine passing for thirteen yards and two interceptions as denver fell thirty one to three To the saints and that saints seemed like a very good team on top of everything else so a really put the kid in a bad spot right and in what. I would almost argue that. There's a safety issue at play there for a guy. That's so fish out of water in that position so if there is a safety concern that the nfl has going with all its all. Its kobe things in place. I almost would suggest that the kid being asked to play quarterback in the nfl. When he's he's been on the practice roster as a wide receiver and hasn't thrown a ball in like three years. that's almost a safety issue unto itself. Yeah i wonder if they'll protest it come back and look. We lost her mind here. We shouldn't have done this game. Don't off the level leg to stand on that one but we shall see Did you see any of the mike tyson. Nonsense against roy jones junior talk about it in the last episode about how ridiculous the rules were that there wouldn't be a winner. There'd be no judges. Anybody gets caught than the fight is officially over Well it ended up. Just as celia as you'd expect Mike tyson pretty good shape. Gotta say y'all deal look like a guy. You would not wanna mess with ryan roy jones. Junior looked a little sloppier. I'd say in terms of body fat and such and when it all came down to it. They scored at a judge or they escorted a draw. And when i heard mike tyson when jim gray was interviewing the two guys after the match he said. What do you think of a draw. Tyson says i'm good with it. That's the end. that's the extent of the commentary. I i knew that thing was in trouble. Stephen you talked about last week and you brought up and they said okay. Here's all the rules okay. That aren't gonna happen with judges going to be a draw. They said they'll be no. I think there was something like there'll be no knockouts or no knockdowns. Something like that saying well how do you have about what do you wanna got to pull up. After he punches to tackle here it was. Just what do you mean. How do you avoid a knockdown. It's about so anyway that thing. It was all very weird. That thing will be forgotten by about eleven o'clock tonight. We'll take a timeout on the program when we come back. We'll talk about a unbelievable miracle that occurred yesterday morning in formula one. That's after these words. We all love pizza but around here. It's the same old same old quick and dirty pizza. 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Hamilton was your winner of a crash. Marred bahrain grand prix where we saw one of the worst crashes ever. I saw romantic. Romantic rozsa somehow escaped with only minor burns after. His car exploded early in the race into a fireball. The thirty four year old french drivers slid off the track at high speed on the first lap and his car burst into flames as it was sliced into by a barrier. And if you're watching that thing in in lifetime you're probably thinking after about thirty seconds of his half vehicle the half part of vehicle that he's in is engulfed completely in flames. You're you're thinking. That guy's a goner but thirty seconds. After being in that thing he climbs out with only minor burns was at the most incredible thing ever. You know what. I thought the guy's gonna come out. He's going to get out of the car. And then go into one of those avenger costumes you know like this guy kinda superhero. You know unbelievable. Unbelievable i saw. I saw about an hour ago before he started recording rolls out as sudanese helmet or singed and still smoking and they lead him away from it as they continue to get. The the fire extinguishers on the blaze and it was i mean to to survive the impact like that was almost a head on collision with this barrier. It cut it literally cut his car into. Let's not just hyperbole. There was one part of the vehicle that was over here. It was not on fire and the part that grow. John was in was on fire and to have survived. The impact let alone the flames. After it's crazy and that that speaks to this new halo system that they have in the vehicles they brought it in twenty eighteen. I think and there were some complaints about how ugly it is but it basically keeps the heads so unbelievably well protected. It's this basically this surrounding of titanium bars around the helmet that it it just keeps drivers so much safer and so that helped him survive the impact and guess the obviously the fire retardant suit Took care of the rest but man. I'd have a hard time climbing back behind the wheel of an automobile. If i'm romain grosjean today. And by the way steve. Not not just you know not not just a few flames. You know firing out from underneath the car the one known there's licking up the side of the car like this thing is engulfed. You've got to watch it folks. If you haven't like movie you've ever seen the car bomb. Go off that's what it right like right. Yeah that's the end and That's right yup Anyway like i said this guy. This guy should be an avenger man survived. I don't care how many safety things they turn this. This just in fire fires two thousand degrees. You know unbelievable unbelievable. Yup anyway stayed overnight in a military hospital treatment for burns on the back of both of his hands but no fractures despite hitting the barriers at an estimated speed of over two hundred kilometers an hour and i saw photo of him on one of his social media platforms and yeah basically is holding up his two hands and bandages on them and stuff but he has a big smile on his face. So what's nicer than that. Unbelievable luckiest guy in the world. The luckiest guy crazy. Any final thoughts. Today james stevie. What's my final thought. Well i did see that. Your kids had a some nice birthday presence for you. Posted on social media. Three kids with some nice Nice photos of themselves and the standing beside those photos. That was kinda cool. I was thinking. I might send you a photo of myself for your birthday as well. So yeah you should do that. Keep an eye on all. That's what they did is i had. I have pictures of them as kids like young kids. Six seven eight years old. Maybe even younger. So that that i would hope. So what's that. I would hope you have pictures of them at that age. You're well. I'll tell you what the reason i bring that up. It's not a stretch for me. Not i like people. Ask me on my phone. I finally did it when i was on twitter now. So let's see some pictures of your kids. I never took pictures of my kids. What yeah. I never did. I was blasted in my mind. Most of the bulk only picture. I got was to get them to give you a pitcher of beer. Stevie yet data pitcher a beer. That's the only anyway. They said they put their faces beside the vote. Pretty cool all right well. We'll take our leave with that. We'll talk to you in our next episode goodnight. Everybody we'll see him.

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2020 Week 11 (Part 2)

Fantasy Feast: 'Eatin

26:09 min | 1 year ago

2020 Week 11 (Part 2)

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Because you hear what joe dolan says here on the fantasy piece podcast and you like it you love it. You want some more of it at f g underscore dole and anat. Ross tucker. Nfl we are at ross. Tucker pod really appreciate those of you that re tweet and like when we post about the podcast on the various social media platforms part. One of course was all about the thursday night and the sunday. One o'clock games part to. It's the sunday late game so nighter and the monday night or joe we shall start with the jets and the chargers are buddy our producer. Brian neal will be there jets charges. Hey usually you just dismissed the jets. But after that last monday night game with flacco the receivers are you going to dismiss them or is it something to talk about. I mean there's still something to talk about sean param. Hey finally paying off for some of the best ball shares that we have gone down the field. The chargers have been gettable on the back end. Jamison crowder obviously has been kind of a wide receiver three of with some wide receiver to upside depending on targets he gets. Let's check on the status of sam darnold but joe flacco distributed the ball pretty well in that game and i think you can take a shot on the michael ryan in the backfield is kind of a flex option. Nobody's excited about wang. These guys but there could be points scored in this game because we know the chargers are going to score and the chargers defense has been giving up production. Obviously things will help either. Sam darnold or joe flacco. If joey bosa can't come back from a concussion he's missed a couple of games so let's We'll keep an eye on that but yeah the jet sir. They've got some guys who are in a bind you can put in your. Let's put it that way. Not something that i'm excited to do. But a shot perriman make an impact was was a positive there for new york on the other side with the chargers that was not a good performance by just herber in the chargers offense. Yeah it wasn't it wasn't pretty And eventually it's going to happen. I mean it. It wasn't the greatest performances by any stretch of the imagination. But he's a rookie quarterback. Now the thing that i'm i'm wondering here when it comes to the chargers they look. I can't believe kaelin balaj there will be back at. I mean it's the way i mean. Great amata kalem lodge guy. I never have been ceylan belhaj guy but they did have a tough match-up against the miami defense. Keep that in mind. This is not as tough match-up and i get. I go back to a couple of weeks ago. When kansas city played the jets. And we're all thinking. Oh my lord it looks like clyde getting twenty five carries and lady on bells going to get twenty in the just gonna run it down. The jets flirts and that is the complete opposite of what happened. And he came out and said the new york jets are a past funneled events. They are much worse on the back end than they are in the front seven. We are going to throw the ball all day. I wouldn't be shocked if saints each in the offensive coordinator with the chargers. Anthony lynn decide. Let's get justin her back on track. Let's throw the ball all over the yard in this game. It's a great match of king analysis. It is a great matchup for mike williams. It was phenomenal to finally see hunter. Henry get off the schneider and get in the end zone and it was one of those plays where you're holding your breath because justin herbert's rolling out to the right and you see my hunter henry leak out in the back of the endzone going towards the back pylon and freaking neighbors the The fullback is in front of justin. Herbert you're like oh no do not check it. Down to neighbors at the goal on just in herbert. The rue the ball. Five million hunter henry in the end zone so he got off schneider last week. The backfield is an obnoxious though. Because i'm not a kaelin balaj guy. I don't think it's a great matchup for the run game anyway. It doesn't look like austin ekeler is going to be back a just yet so a blog. I mean he's been the guy justin jackson's on i are they clearly have They put they put a joshua kelley in the doghouse. So yeah. I think obliges of low end rb two if you need them but to me. This is a pass on defense. And i wonder if the chargers gonna take that approach next up to end the dolphins at the denver broncos. If you can find a worse fantasy game this week be my guest. Be my guest. That's the way. I look at it Last week i look with the miami dolphins. They might have found something last week with savant. Akhmed the running back out of washington where he actually played behind myles gaskin at washington but matt britos practicing this week so is really going to come in and take touches from savant akhmed who looked really good and i think they should continue rolling with him but you look at the passing game. Production against the chargers who by the way are very beatable in the secondary to complete fifteen passes for one hundred sixty nine yards and two touchdowns. One of the touchdown goes to takim. Brandt who's kind of low end wide receiver three devante parker got a touchdown call back. He had seven targets in conscious. Two of them so he had no production. The other touchdown was a designed play. The backup tight end. durham smyth. So he's not somebody you're playing. This passing game isn't great right now. So it's not what i really trust outside of like. Jean grant devante parker as low end wide receiver. Threes in the backfield. I'm considering von akhmed med. A flex play. But you have to keep an eye on the status of map rita so it is not a great offense right now for miami when it comes to fantasy despite that team being six three and headed towards the playoffs how about denver drew lock. Drew walks her. He's been terrible. I mean he's turning the ball over at a prodigious rate. Miami's defense is has been i mean arguably over the last month the best in the nfl which which high praise for what brian flores has been able to do the way he generates pressure. This is a horrible matchup for the denver broncos whether it's drew lock or whether it's or whether it's Brent ribbon what they can pull. John elway out of the press box. It's horrible. it's horrible match for the denver broncos. i don't feel good about anybody in this matchup. Maybe with the exception of jerry. Jeudy who's who's starting to get open but again you have that. Wonderful cornerback byron jones. Avian our i would not be shocked if denver struggle put up two hundred yards of offense in this game by the way. The backfield was atrocious. Last week phillip. Lindsay ran for two yards in that game. Melvin gordon i think ran for twenty one and neither one of caught a bass get to the dallas cowboys and the minnesota vikings looks like the cowboys are gonna any adult and back. Joe start is the question. He's coming off the this recording this on wednesday he's off the cove enlist Presumably his co. clear concussion protocol or are they going to go with garrett gilbert who kinda give them spark in that game against pittsburgh. We're not sure that yet Either way I i think there's a little bit more life to the cowboy. Offense and cd lamb is the receiver. I keep going back to because minnesota's given up production out of the slot this year So ceedee lamb the guy. If i'm playing one of these cowboy receivers. Probably the one that i'm most excited about. Amari cooper is probably in your lineup. I think like gallup's longer bench at this stage. Keep an eye on the backfield. Zeke elliott's dinged up. He hasn't been good anyway. Are they going to give tony power more touches going forward. At as i stand right now i think zeke's and rb to pollard is a flax and cv. Lamb is my favorite player offensively for dallas. But just because they got some live out at garrett gilbert and maybe any place in this game doesn't all of a sudden mean. I think this is going to be a good offense. I still think it's gonna stink. Vikings didn't put up a ton money. How about justin jefferson. No joe yeah he's screwing he's getting open on a regular basis. Here's the issue though. Minnesota's a seven point favorite in this game. And you know how. Mike zimmer wants to play if they have a lead they are going to run the heck out of the ball so as good as justin jefferson. Adam phelan have been it. Sucks that you still have to hold your breath when you're playing those guys because you know that game is noncompetitive. It's going to be dalvin. Cook game heck even in a nineteen bertin game against chicago. Dalvin cook had thirty. I'd been come on like justin jefferson and adams view and i think you have to suck it up and say these guys are wide receiver twos but the problem is if they get out to a lead here at home as touchdown favorites dalvin cook and alexander. Madison are going to carry the football in this game. So obviously dalvin cookies like the rb one. There's no confusion they're kirk cousins is a viable streamer. Because of the match up by the cowboys just put trevan digs the rookie corner on. I r with a foot injury so a better matchup but you can also look at this and say if minnesota drives down the field gets the touchdown run from dalvin cook on the first possession then forces a three and out. This might be one of those games. Where kirk cousins. 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Fantasy feast at shop. Nfl dot com that shop and l. l. dot com slash. Fantasy feasts promo code. Fantasy feast to get twenty five percent up shop en el l. dot com slash fantasy. Feast promo code fantasy. Feast how 'bout feasting on that packers. Colts matchup joke. Well here's what's gonna be interesting with green ben. First and foremost it's bad matchup. Indianapolis has a really good defense and green bay is getting closer to getting allen lazard back from that core muscle injury but all of a sudden. Just when you're like allen lazard coming back and aaron rodgers is finally going to have a number two receiver to throw the ball to orcas. Now the scantling comes out has to massive games in a row. So i'm a little wary to play valdes scantling for fantasy though knowing how he's been kind of a he's he's got a book david copperfield e he has these spectacular games and then he made some disappear just like that like he's had multiple goose eggs this year despite having games where he's scoring seventy five yard touchdowns so of allen lazard is back. I'm probably going to wait and see especially in this match up on the secondary receivers for the green bay packers. So i'm looking at this in a bad match up as being an aaron rodgers. You gotta plan at this. At this point. Aaron rodgers. Davante adams you might have heard of that guy. Probably play him and aaron jones with a little bit of jamaal williams who they're still mixing in on passing downs as a potential flex play but this is a narrow narrow green bay game in this week. Because i wanna see what they do with allen lazard if indeed. He's back this week from that. Core muscle injury the other game of course. It is the colts in job. what do you think. The colts joe l. a. Nothing that we can put on air about fantasy. I mean it is over right now for jonathan taylor. Seven carries for twelve yards. They're using jordan. Wilkins at nine nine running back for colts that i wanted us at this point by the way i i mean it stinks. But philip rivers loves checking the ball down. He's been making big plays in consecutive weeks. He's the guy i think. If you're if you have the colts the running back using right now. I don't. I don't really Terribly fond of jordan wilkins as a player. Jonathan taylor has struggled as a rookie. There's no two ways about that. The guy everybody's picking up for fantasy is the rookie receiver. Michael pittman who had seven catches for one hundred and one last week against tennessee. The problem is if joe you're alexander can play this week you would think john. Alexander might shadow lycopene advantage alexander as talented as michael pittman is. he's a rookie against dire alexander. Dire alexander shadows here. That is a huge huge problem for the colts passing game. I can't trust he. White hilton t y hilton has one game of ten or more fantasy points this year. He's flat out droppable for me. I mean he's a bench guy right now. So i'm looking at this for indianapolis as a potential low scoring game. Where the only guy i feel really good about playing is nine mines and saying i feel really good about lying him when they have a three man. Backfield rotation it's problematic. The colts in the dolphins are two teams. That are six and three that are just knock teams for fancy right now. Let's get to kansas city. And the las vegas raiders sunday night. So this is interesting because we have an over under a fifty seven here. It's behind that. Might that might seem a little bit high given the raider offense. But that's behind only the thursday night game which we know it look seattle arizona. We expect a lot of points scored neck game tonight but kansas city oakland a vegas rather fifty seven point over under kansas city. You know what you're doing like you're you're planning your guys the only thing. I'm concerned about with kansas city. Is today start running ball a little bit more because quite edwards allaire. It hasn't been that levy on. Bell has taken so much work from clyde edwards helaire. It's there hasn't been working at all because they're not running football. They decided that they are going to start throwing the ball all over the yard and they're going to continue doing that with and tyreek hill. Emeco harmonised practicing on wednesday recording this on wednesday. He's he was on the covid list but it looks like he's gonna go. He started to get involved a little bit more. You can consider him as a wide receiver. Three kansas city coming off. A bye is sammy. Watkins going to be able to play. So that throws another wrench into matters. That might hurt Miekel hardman's upside but with kansas city. I think i'm playing edwards layers like a low end rb two and i'm hoping he catches some passes maybe gets in the end zone but this team before it went to buy decided we're not going to run the football at all because we have patrick mahomes and why would we run the football and frankly it's worked for them. Yeah i mean you're right run it. It's unbelievable what about vegas. So when i look at vagus here it's three straight games by the way where derek carr has attempted twenty five or fewer passes and that is the way vegas wants to play because not only josh jacobs running. Well but devante booker is running wealth so twenty five or fewer passes in three straight games. Four derek carr. He's been under two hundred yards passing and all those kids however you look at last time. They played kansas city with the raiders. One that football game dare cargoes for three forty two and three touchdowns with one interception the touchdowns going to nelson aguilar. Who's back to his old tricks by dropping passes now and henry ruggs. Darren waller dare cars numbers last week would have looked a lot. Better than waller. Didn't travel long touchdown in right in the hands And he just dropped but they're going to have to throw the ball a little bit more this week. I would certainly anticipate that it's not going to be another game. Twenty five or fewer pass attempts for derek carr. The problem for the raiders. Is what wide receiver do you trust. They mix it all around aga- lar- rugs both those guys are on the wide receiver. Three radar end. It's basically do you guess right. This week is one of those guys. The guy who's going to score the touchdown this week. So they're both wider. See refreeze you have to play. John jacobs i mean there's there's nothing you can do play josh jacobs. He's been really good this year. You have to play them but you understand the game. Plan for the raiders. The last three weeks has been to run the football. I doubt they're going to be able to do that with the with the plum that they've had the last three weeks because kansas city is going to score more points than the raiders offense than the raiders opponents the last three weeks. Let's get to the rams and the bucks and this is going to be are highlighted draft kings game of the week joe. I'm really looking forward to it now. Andrew whitworth out is obviously ad for the rams right now the rams are three and a half point underdogs on the draft or spoke gap. I think were significant reminder by the way get the draftkings sportsbook app on your phone and use the promo code. Ross when you sign up yet thousand dollar bonus which is insane to make sure you use the code. Ross there But i think there might be a bunch of points in this joe. What do you think. I would anticipate that there will be a bunch of points in this game. Forty eight and a half is the line right now. Which which is which is on the higher end but you know as we anticipate is we talked about on last week's podcast the buchan ears performance against the saints couple of weeks ago just a the tape performance. It was one of those games that i didn't think you could glean anything from. They just got their butts whipped and and they came out this week and looked a whole hell of a lot better The question i have with with with the rams last week they had became a big basically showed up with with jalen ramsey not exclusively wasn't every snap but will they do the same this week and i'm not sure they can do that with the way. The buccaneers mix up their wide receiver. So i know mike evans has been getting involved more and more recently. Tom brady his big numbers as tom. Brady and mike evans boat up in that game last week against carolina brady overthrew evans for like three touchdowns like he could have had a much bigger game. So our is our the rams gonna look this and say. Hey we need to slow down. Mike evans or are they going to realize say look in tonio brown on the outside. They put chris godwin on the outside. They put edmondson the slot. Sometimes we can't follow mike evans around. We can't follow any of these guys around. That would be the way. I lean when it comes to the tampa bay buccaneers. So i think. Tom brady end these three receivers look. I understand how annoying it is. But we've only seen them in two gains with antonio brown one of them. Nobody came through. Nobody came through. Because the buccaneers entire offense was garbage against the saints. Last week everybody came through. Because the buccaneers offense was also against the carolina panthers so might lean is. I think you play all three of these wide receivers evans and godwin's as wide receiver to brown a wide receiver. Three until we get a better picture of what the average game of the tampa bay buccaneers. Looks like i think. We saw two extremes. In antonio brown's two games which makes it a really difficult situation to breakdown tight end gronkowski's A tight end one right now. There's not too many tight ends. I trust more than him. Maybe i mean it's hard but like the only one who are i'm actually like thrilled about is travis kelsey right now because the position is such a wasteland in the backfield. The one problem last week was ronald jones. Got the carries yet. Ninety eight yard touchdown lender fornet. Didn't need to play on third downs and passing downs because they led the entire way. So it's still like playing a game that backfield but we know ronald jones is gonna get the early down work against the rams. What about the rams on the other side. Joe against the bucks defense with the bucks defense is because we thought it was now. Maybe it's not but the problem with this ram offense how many frigging players they use. And it's it's getting it's driving me nuts. Ross i'm going to be honest. And here's the issue with the passing person former andrew whitworth being out. I know that the news wasn't as bad as they fear. But he's still going to miss this game. So that fucking pass rush is going to get after jared goff. So i'm downgrading this offense across the board. The problem here is how about how involve josh reynolds has been the last three games for the los angeles. Rams eight targets nine targets ten targets. That is hurting robert. Woods cooper kupp. Though the what thing you thought with the rams this year was at least we know woods in their targets. Josh reynolds areas the to throw a wrench into things. The backfield three man rotation malcolm brown. Darrell henderson cam. Akers cam akers lead carries as we. Good luck guessing right there. I still think darrell henderson is the best option. But jared goff is downgraded without andrew whitworth against this defense Oh by the way tyler. Gerald ever. Yeah we're going to get those guys involved too. So what i see here is an offense that clearly is moving the football but it just lost. Maybe the single player could afford to lose. least with. maybe. The exception of jared goff just because they don't have good backup quarterback in andrew whitworth against a good defense You're on the highway. So you're underdogs as is going cross country. It is monday. I gave me so you have extra time to prepare. I'm not terribly certain. This is a great match up for the los angeles. Rams offense i. I think woods in copper low end wide receiver to take up. I like to avoid goth this week if possible and take your pick in this damn backfield. 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Fantasy Football Mock Draft

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Fantasy Football Mock Draft

"His fantasy football mock draft edition of the sports gaming podcast is presented by my bookie dot agee my bookie dot ag juicy of fischel online sportsbook at the sports gaming podcast use that promo code sdp fifteen get a fifty percent by the bonus play win get paid also brought to you by amazon logo sports gaming packets are common could be amazon banner bookmarked at lincoln using everytime you shop the score sweet savings would support the podcast no no whoa everyone to the sports gambling podcasts i'm sean stacking the vix ryan real money kramer kramer a you're a lefty so i got to imagine that first base their home plate empire calling the puck right there really value you threw me off the you're a pause and our thrown yet trump pretty sure you're moving towards the plate though so i'm gonna take first base right this is but this is what the pre season is all about right were getting reps in were figure it out okay the ins and outs the mechanics because we're all be powering through god knows how much football content coming up in what better time to get starting to get ready this is this is are preseason this is pre season for the refs to we gotta figure this thing out weiner so i'm in i'm in minutes i'm doing that this is my first mock draft doing it really doing it on the podcast doing much now ryan you've already done any number of mock drafts you've already done a number of real f f pc drafts you're had verse i i'm i'm raw dog i did research i did some research for the top ten lists didn't take much for me the no the carson wentz is the number one overall quarterback for my fantasy football and you only researcher own list no i looked at other guys lists a bunch of square jobber listen like okay these lists are garbage let me come in with a good list you're gonna get all those a top ten lists those are all available on i tunes google play spotify sports gaming podcast dot com end you to wear on you to right now if you're watching you don't you don't 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joining us on the line from the fantasy radio network dean martine is dan what's happening man a goal of how you guys doing great man just a oh yeah i yeah i was just thinking about how pissed off i get all the soccer nonsense yeah it has been a lot of soccer last little move better go all in on women's soccer first days dark times but i just remember like three years ago how pissed off i was when the hall of fame game got cancelled 'cause they painted the field i all of a sudden they're like oh yeah of all the things to worry about with players safety oh they feel they're gonna be and i'm just so pissed because july is football football in july that's a big thing going on here on the podcast which just happened in early no need to wait till august they just get into it man no absolutely it'll be there for you know you gotta talk about it when the players away because when they come back and they'll all have suspensions and all that i will that's one thing now we've already we've started with some of our fantasy stuff doing are top ten lists an and stuff like that what's your take on this tyree kill situation we haven't seen anything as far as how many games he's gonna be out what you're what you're gas 'em well i think the last thing i saw them say that it would be a maximum mom of four games but as we know nfl is ridiculously inconsistent right so who knows what it will be i just want from a fantasy perspective from a cold heart fancy protect i just would want it to happen earlier on i suppose having a hangover over like you did would seek that one season and it wound up being in the fantasy playoffs that he actually miss games i i still to this to this day about a year ago almost i was in an auction draft in las vegas and a pc and i watched the guy spend forty eight dollars on levy on bell right that's the kind of bullshit that happened when you let us linger like have some decency let us know before training like just let us know exactly slum go is he's gonna miss four games which you know i know if you saw sean but the full audio of the conversation from the dubai airport was released today the voicemail yeah i i have not listened to this but it's essentially it adds context of that earlier clip it they played anyway it sounds like he's definitely gonna miss time it would be nice to win because i gotta be honest sean in the best ball draft participating in he's still going in the fourth round so people are insane yeah well to me i just wanna know damian williams the more i think about the more i just i i'm getting that andy reid often said no tyree kill he's gonna be steal all the screen from it i i'm just salivating at the chance the draft damian williams well so thing we should just get to it i know enough messing around go all right so were were were gonna we're gonna do a mock draft it's just gonna be three of us and computers yes i have it rent it's gonna randomize yeah that'll be the computers to we are leveraging dancer based platform is a they will randomize are picks and with a quick start draft it should a put us all into eight draft will see what we get growing their yup on the draft is going to start in thirty seconds i have the six pick oh this is great we have as a to pick six picking a nine pick so a little bit old outplay spread out there we go all right then you have the the nine i have the six showed us the second a guy i guess showing you asked me before the show said hey are you gonna just just go in this in this blind or whatever you know rod dogging it i've done like twenty five real giraffes already right has just been crank it out ftc dress okay also out here see sean you're faced with of right away jelly it's there and i would never do it exactly that's disgusting their day off the board with the computers ciclon barkley i'm sitting at number two here a man and i hate christian mccaffrey this is not a good spot for me to be in the draft this is this is horrible well sean if you're the pull up my power rankings are my my my list you would know that that's why i put kamar second so i wouldn't have to face this exact decision a all right i was so worried this would take awhile and he's already gonna use the full senate back while i'm i i you know what i'm putting my feelings aside i'm drafting christian mccaffrey learn overall all right let's see who else is off the board zeke goes number three kamar number four hopkins number five kramer you're on the clock number six one i'm i'm faced with that interesting decision that we discussed and i mentioned that this wasn't a pc league i'm pulling the trigger on travis kelsey here that loan with the one and a half points now and that's a huge point like the settings incredibly matter that's like yeah number one so i said okay i wouldn't say where it went chelsea kiddle hurts like three in a row in the first round damn him so crazy said he should own is a step should point out we're doing a standard a p pr one quarterback to running backs to wide receivers one tight end one flex we did not include kickers in defense i apologized staying if you're a big kicker dan it's okay if they think but i absolutely am i am in a tough spot and i'm going to stick to my guns and i'm gonna take the vantera adams here wow i love his upside this year and at that point i'm balancing do i want one of these running backs do i want my number one wide receiver i went with a number one wide receiver dan you're on the clock yeah computer computer went a little crazy they're living wills seven overall that computer odell beckham junior number hurry in now dane seon here at number nine so in this situation because the two wideouts are gone which would be de hop end avante adams right i would consider kelsey but i think it's a little too early for me to do that so i'm gonna go with the top running back left here and for me that is probably gonna be melvin gordon here which is i guess the chaki pick i could understand going kelsey but i feel like if don't go running back here i won't get one of the top guys coming back and this year i wanna make sure i get one of those top guys so it's gonna be melvin gordon i agree with that i definitely like that angle because i think as we broke down the running backs i pointed out i feel like they're six of them like there's there's a there's a top five x and then you kind of do want one of those but you know i guess we'll see where it lands there's some guys i'm targeting but you're back on the clock saying yeah agra melvin gordon todd gurley a david johnson michael thomas ju ju who leo and damian williams my boy off the board listen so kelsey is still here from cedar that's a nice holiday kelsey here right and i'm excited to do so if yeah that that's the end devi analysis here anytime you get a guy you were considering the round before that is still there that represents some value let's do it a specially if you're in some of these tight end bonus leagues which are all over the place and honestly he has a chance the finishes the number one overall receiver this year wow yeah okay and how much time tyreek hill mrs what what happened next james connor goes to the computer joe mixon off the board now kramer saying well no clock back in a very very difficult position once those were the two guys i always figured i'd get one of those guys i get neither of those guys damian williams also off the board yup do i just absolutely punt i don't think i do because because i'm high enough on dalvin cook in this spot who i want that stood receipt a running back he has upside to me for the pass catching ability we saw we've seen what he can do in accident is a guy that i would've taken here if i had the spot but i love you he just one he's just went i he was targeted him encounter no bullshit fight a i would i think dalvand cook is right behind him so i'm gonna pull the trigger i do wanna have a guy a two way running back who's gonna give me some upside sean yup i'm up next ed in tonio brown just went don't want anything to do with him nick chubb my kevin like the word interesting here i could a running back nothing really jumping out at me you know you're gonna pull the trigger on factor saint louis thirty all right a maybe look for hill you know oh hey zach ertz is back hurts is here definitely much better the shitty george kiddle gimme zacher has been a world cup winning superior orange earlier zach ertz i'm with you on the kid aligned go by the way right you know he had dj be hard as his roommate quarterback last year so much many options he will regret from his nfl record's like yards whatever it was you know what i mean like he's in that tier below them with hunter henry in oj howard in my opinion is the top suicide on to ryan this have on the show guy knows where amazon gave it up people do agree with you i like it so george kiddle well right after spin marlin mac and now i i kinda got a question do i need a receiver i feel like at this point what do i do keenan allen available t y hilton aj green like kind of like but i i feel like it's too early the take him aj green is you know over thirty you haven't finished the last couple of seasons it's not gonna be good in cincinnati this you gotta take keenan allen yeah i'll go keenan allen from a boy san diego chargers justin decker i would have absolutely gone that angle is well so now feelings off the board oj howard off the board mahomes quarterback drafted did kramer you're on the clock gotta wait on quarterback this year every year at this point it's even more then this is the byproduct of a passing league in the nfl you know like it's not a big deal to throw over forty two hundred yards anymore so so you can get any body later on like be the last person in your league to get a quarterback specially in a standard twelve team league i think we're playing basketball and you gotta stack quarterbacks it's a little more voted early but rather two quarterback league okay get one still so here's the thing i think i'd jinxed my fantasy existence this year when i said that leonard for net has been in my perpetual do not enter apple it continues to be available to me in the third round where i can now go stud receiver dalvand cook leonard for net yes please 'em i to me taking leonard fournette and the third round is okay because he has upside to score as he number one running back every week as long as he's on the field litter furniture after by kramer then aj green tyreek hill oh not redoes now a gain back on the clock here yeah listen so i went a tight end end running back so i'm gonna get my number one wide out it's gonna b t y hilton man listen this is tied to the indianapolis colts i think andrew luck is a nice bed at eight to one i think he's a second choice to win the mvp of the league this year last year he was healthy with andrew luck t y hilton led the nfl nfl in receiving yards you know what i mean there's no like funches is just the red zone guy you know they're building that team the right way i think t y hilton is a legit wide receiver one fear fantasy team but he got him in the third round and not to mention again calling it out 'cause i liked the call but for best ball specifically he's the guy you love when he goes oh yeah go off yeah he'll have the game you'll have a game this year of like six foot one sixty one and two touchdowns guaranteed oh at least one mari cooper off the board vonda freeman off the board born a boy any luck aaron jones stefan digs brandin cooks and now next up is a danger back on the clock here what do you look in the go for yeah listen this is a guy i know you also liked and i'm not only on you're a guy sean because i'm down on the damian williams things you guys both like but i'm taking kerryon johnson love commentary oh this guy okay i think theo riddick is not gonna be on the roster and kerryon johnson will catch fifty five sixty balls this year and that's the difference i love kerryon johnson it'll be my rv to i'm so glad were doing video now and i'm gonna look at the camera that sean is i'm bill is up primary sean ladder with his hot kerryon johnson week one against arizona against that cliff kingsbury defense oh is he found in my dfs lineup okay edelman josh jacobs sorry a what what'd you say oh just saying his yards per carry ridiculous like i don't believe in c j anderson even worse on the garrett blunt last year taking carries and i've the key here is i don't think theo riddick is gonna even make the roster in detroit the shoe i i could see that happening about retirement and so edelman and josh jacobs off the board that those are sirens 'cause i am recording in washington i hear the sirens in the background dame's gonna get carted away and still be making his picks kramer you're on the clock year round four picks seven what do you do in forty third pick overall well i probably should go receiver a pass catcher of some sort but a guy you like a guy i agree with you is going to overperform i'm gonna give myself a little bit bye week problem but philip lindsay i also have the concerns of injury from my other two running backs i wanna make sure i'm sean strong their shirt to buy week ten guys i'll deal with that week ten i'm gonna add philip lindsay to my stable of work horses shown so he's off the board derrick henry next dairies guys robert woods i don't really want much do with those guys i have a receiver i have a tight end i have a running back again kind of you kind of go bp hey here you and gentleman with the best player available oh you know who i like and i made a case where this guy in that is of the tampa bay buccaneers and chris godwin yeah i i read and read aeriens bruna oprah article with that offense he's gonna he's gonna talk that james winston talk little tap into him yeah i love all those guys mike evans oj howard level all there's no running game to speak of they're gonna throw throw throw there is a there is a cool static came i came across it said in the past fourteen season where bruce arians was either office of coordinator head coach they had two or more of receivers with hunter plus targets so mike evans is gonna get his noticed sean jackson god would just seems like the natural progression there yeah seems like a great opportunity that pick is gone up yeah so wait i'm back on the clock kenny golladay is off dj more do i go sony michelle i don't i can't fuck around with new england running backs who just can't do it yeah he's also a guy who a is better in saying standard non pbr formats yeah okay you know it's another kind of know you're settings guy he's much better and you're non pbr a format as well is like say carson or some of your other plotters that'll be good on early downs so sean you you definitely need to go running back here that's probably i would you mind if i'm if i'm getting in your ear and giving you advice i pause the draft disclosure sean clearly he's a little bit right now he's got very excited about being agreed with but he's also not sure where i live here okay he's gotta go running back yeah go running back sean in you know i'm gonna give you i'll give you a nugget here 'cause yeah so i don't know if there's a guy with the who's left with a better opportunity say what you will about kenyan drake who else is touching the ball in miami yeah you're he every now number one running back yeah yeah i'm over thinking this 'cause i was kind of like mark ingram here i really do they are gonna be a running offense he's got no one really do it you don't believe in kenneth dixon you know they gonna get a lot of carries he's he's a lot better than people think 'cause he's always split i'm in new orleans they went out and spent money on him and they're gonna be a definite running off and i like barking and the get over a thousand yards this year he's another option in this spot groom and i'll throw this the sean i i'll go oh go mark ingram i like that but i'll say justice hill who just well it's one round drive it over here i was thinking of maybe reaching chris carson rishaad penny but i think you get the guy who's the clear number one mark ingram and now things have fallen just beautifully because while i will neglecting the receiver position for another round because i think there will be opportunity here especially in standard twelve team you twelve team league like this my one of my top tight ends who is still available hunter henry oh yeah i just like the potential there absolutely has the ability to creep near that it's i mean taking you're tiers further with the emergence of god or it's probably kelsey and then the rest of the humans who has the ability to pop up ended that class i think hunter henry absolutely does so at this late fifth round i'm gonna add him my stable weapons okay so after i took marking the shawn watson tyler lockett sony michelle kramer took hunter henry baker mayfield under the computer by look this is why you wait on quarterback look at the people who are going right now you get leader running backs you get good tight end you could approximated baker mayfield's production three four rounds from now aaron aaron rodgers is on the board and the computer was you see it's all about value over like late stupid fucking the david montgomery also off the board andy dane you're pick here fifty seventh overall what do you doing yeah listen i'm gonna take i'm gonna go wide out here i have two running backs ready i only have t y hilton i'm gonna go cooper cup here my listen the ramp this i think is the best value okay he's going the third of the three rams he clearly is he apple of a gop side right meant a i i think he on any given week can be the highest scoring rams wide receiver especially npr settings he's gonna leave the team in catches in my opinion in in when he was heard they're they're often really wasn't the game is critical cock of their often all of the rams i feel like both him in would have a nice for not the highest ceiling but a very nice or so at this point in the draft it's absolutely nice having a guy like that so short after cooper cup aaron aaron rodgers al sean jeffrey kenyan drake allen robinson evan ingram calvin ridley all off the board dane you're back on the clock sean i'm gonna leave to recall in out there for you at lakeview at here's what i'm guys running backs in this kind of spot give me a pass catching running back okay james white is on the board we were talking before about the patriots running backs and i understand but the most consistent thing for the patriots running back is that james white will catch balls okay and that's easy points right there i'll take him as my third running back all day long cherokee brown off the board sammy watkins damn i i would have liked to maybe get a little a chance of him and they're both off kramer you're on the board or you're on the clock i was i was really hoping really hoping to snag sammy watkins yeah but he is also eight punk ass bitch yes this thing is suggesting i should take jarvis landry plus some sean lesson i ain't taking over swam best friends that turncoat odell beckham and go back to my loss angeles chargers because your it is you know what philip rivers wackadoo he likes to throw the ball to big receivers mike williams i really came on a night high real williams i know i'm going double dip in a veteran hunter henry though that's fine that often it's gotta be able to support eight pass attack not to mention oh my gosh sean in by weeks of ten eleven twelve so i'm really deferring the hey there i'm a quick starter hey you got the playoffs and you're putting the rest there you go shot you are now on the clock jarvis landry off tyler boyd off the board chris carson carson hector not bad so i'm i'm looking around here i go again go what do i do here i could go running back tiki receiver measure fantasy coach and we pop over here you're pretty open you can do anything you wanna hear sean yep yeah then you i i fell in love with this man couple of years ago give me i own my old time i left for you then i think you i appreciate that so that's the 'perfect row flex yeah well he's on the board then robbie anderson matt ryan both off the board directing the quarterback drafted a quarterback here no i think like dana said you'd probably just wait right yeah there's so many still left yeah there really is like well you know it's a long time from now don't wanna mess around left ago yeah i always get a kick her or defense shown so scratch that that partier cheat sheet off yep all right let's see do i go i like some of the receivers available right now you know what yeah will fuller a i mean i like he's that andre hopkins in in criminal probably probably reminder said he's better in a best ball a scenario but this late in the draft round seven seventy fourth overall hopkins's had some injury issues i maybe i get lucky but yeah gimme will fuller okay will fuller off the board now dante dante pettis is well rusty will he's out corey davis and we talk about computer number five you make that a former first round pick corey davis so i'm at the position should i have filled out i have dalvin cook leonard for net philip lindsay a democracy adams mike williams hunter henry i guess i could go in get some more depth here at the wide receiver position i am very intrigued by marvin jones this year i feeling these going way too late in some of these leagues sham new no ryan sham new also out there i'm waiting on quarterback i am gonna take are are man danes advice on that front you know what i think the league in i'm enticed by marvin jones enough with how he's going this year to grab him because i think he gives me some fairly safe depth an while golladay is the the sexier pick i feel like they're gonna have similar production even get jones a couple of rounds later okay marvin jones selected by kramer then sterling shepherd cam newton man back the game in what he's doing here listen you know i also wanna build at the wide receiver position i don't like some of the guys that are being suggested to me like golden the date or cortlandt sutton i told you guys that i think a day sean hamilton is the diamond in there yeah i'm intrigued by christian kirk this year someone you know fitzy is gonna declined a little bit more kirk kirk end cuyler murray were both at texas saying i'm together which is interesting they used to play together they know each other and kirk was good as a rookie 'em he's the guy that these guys were giving me as i look if we could pause it that will be good oh of course a year draft commissioner has a thank you thank you thank you i i would look at the running back real quick as the correct thing and this is something that you'll hear people were peter endlessly but the just the fact that they will probably probably be running ten to fifteen more plays per game yet this year mass all over there a guy more intriguing so absolute you know i like it i may go there i just wanna see what the running backs are meeting getting the third running back or third wideout were going back and forth at this point in the draft this is the benefit of waiting on quarterback right lamar miller sucks i'm not going his way 'em you know f it gives me a gimme christian kirk i'm gonna i'm gonna go and gergen earlier then i think i would wanna do it but you know i gotta i gotta believe what i say right and i believe in this connection i think he takes a step forward i think what the new offense like you said more place ron and a real need wide receiver in arizona the next beat hard and kendall garbage exactly the garbage in you as well dan is going to have that will be someplace unfortunately they will also be a lot of three and outs yeah i'm in that same mindset there's gonna be opportunity that's for sure okay yeah so i am sorry i don't doubt i doubt did not resilient go commissioner it's happening now that i will say i am as we were talking this is the time of the draft where you do kind of have to start stabbing at opinions yeah i wouldn't want the best kind of opinion is the guy that you're you're gonna know week one you're gonna know right away it's not gonna be the oh i needed injury or not letting draft christian kirk but will see what happens it it it's gonna let you drive right now 'em up all right there you go we got we got the mock draft a technical issues that's cool it's usually good right is take a lot of anzalone out good okay one senate a fantasy basketball drafted joel prison below when number one overall but i was in because it was like alphabetically next like shaquille o'neal oh no oh my god saturday greg nightmares oh yeah okay so now officially christian kirk off the board then we see golden tate no kirkland what god damn here realistic vegas which quarterback see you can't wait on a quarterback quarterback carson one guy where your eyes larry fitzgerald cortlandt sutton tevin coleman di di west broken dane back to you what do you would act back into yet only eighteen i don't have a quarterback you told us hysterical all this time i'm gonna go running back listen i expect i expect a little jump from rishaad penny this you grow up they talk about his in better shape the fumbling not there he's a guy who's like his yards per touch were ridiculous they got a lot of opportunities they run the ball that's what they wanna do i you know carson has been all right but he's kind of just the guy on some level level so a i'll take a stab at penny on a second year a second you jump lamar miller off mikhail horry is also off kramer you're entering its i like he's going he's he's really skyrocketed up the mock draft boards i'll tell what you mentioned bruce arians earlier and you mentioned the fact that there wouldn't be a bunch of a running game i think i disagree a little bit and i'm gonna reach here for it i'm taking ronald jones i wanna get a fourth running back and i know i'm i'm stretching here but if ronald jones is a guy we we remember what david johnson once did with this man that he's getting a clean bill of health that was kind of in the doghouse with dirk cutter and a yeah i i really really like ronald jones i'm gonna have a ton of him i just feel it he's climbing up the the drop or does well in joke you off the board next kiki qt or like that emmanuel sanders there on the border ron emmanuel sanders a grammar i don't i think he's gonna be on the pup list i really do like ethnic killings he's over thirty years old yeah i'm i'm scared of sanders i i would it's an opportunity thing and i think that's actually gonna play where you can be like well cool he's on the pup list and dropping you if you're drafting early you can kind of lottery him now i i totally get the stance of staying away but i do think it this round he's being drafted amongst other lottery tickets so it's okay i'm gonna say fuck it i'm worried about quarterback right now 'cause i missed out on half give me give me the moment himself drew brees wow yeah fuck it he's in a dome then jordan howard eagles of valdez scantly a then that's interesting seattle so i raise up to in green bay listen in green bay is gonna be an f you mode any if he's number two overdraw tumble allison that's a that's a legit week to week started that she would have there and i think he will be and i think right now allison's being drafted ahead of him typically in this mock draft computer number one one very intelligent taking all the scammer charlotte is the this is an interesting player for me because i kinda don't have any i don't have any glaring needs for my team i'm gonna take a shot here i think it's just it's just they a a target thing with jesse james out with antonio brown out i think i asked mcdonald is gonna get involved in the passing game a lot i'm a man loves twelve personnel even a fantasy gimme vance mcdonald you watch steph on the fuck out of people to do they love him there they love him in that they can they do and there's a lot of targets to go around there yeah in touch them through red zone opportunities jared cook off the board next adam humphreys miles sanders again the eagles back who could be be like legit workhorse back it's his progress is kind of held up because of a soft his hamstring which is which is never great sign but maybe take shot on him kramer what do you do in here list shawn mccoy still availed i don't eat any you you could talk all the way down to five seconds is this is obvious we and we just touched on it but bruce arians is a man who loves the chuck the rock how am i not fake taken jameis winston around here yeah gimme that action a yeah my my team might have some character concerns off the field but this is fantasy football so i love waiting and grabbing jamus what were the last team to grab a quarterback they do it right now so here's here's here's something you could just go ahead and go i was just gonna say the fact that i pretty eleventh quarterbacking snag jamus right then yes please yeah yeah and then actually trey burton lord hines off the board dane on the clock sounds like he's going to be here yeah i got the thing here's what you could do also when you wait on qb one of the things to do is get two of them right lying in this kind of thing i might get you from and i might go what the serious get one kind of safe guy and then one upside guy and this might be and you're to quarterback leads right you still get a safe guy like right now big ben is still out there you could still get upside guy right now cuyler murray is still out there but you know jared goff's still out there so it's real dominant still safe right here i'll take big ben yeah big ben led the nfl in passing last year over five thousand yard formats he was acting like you'll be two or three yeah i think he's got one one great year left in the tank at least fantasy wise production he's gotta prove that it was actually amy and left that with hassles and not him or at least one year in any any got ju ju i think this is to do breakout year if he hadn't broken out already but huge year for juju so austin hooper daryl henderson chris herndon the fourth latavius murray kareem hunt who the shawn mccoy who their own off with hunter and twelve overall pick dane where you going here yeah you know in san francisco these running backs are interesting you know they signed tevin coleman they got jerick mckinnon coming back i like jerick mckinnon this year i think he's the guy who's gonna leading targets for that team and you've never seen tevin coleman and really handle the load i think this often will support you running backs i liked the pass catcher give me jerick mckinnon and i will say this mckinnon was going in the tail end of the first second round last year in fm back and forth it's out beforehand injury and it's the tenth round it's the tenth round ended the shanahan oftens i love taking a stab at one of these guys you know they brought tevin coleman over to play the tevin coleman role in the shanahan and a hand off and that means mckinnon could be the dante frame enroll greta brita would be x factor right back to me yeah royce freeman off the board deanza forming off the board kramer here's what i wanna do and i i this is probably where i'm kind of falling off the wagon a little bit well because i wanna stand even pointed out and then take to sure you may have concerns about james winston i really like them but you know what i wanna see i wanna see what happens week one with cuyler murray herited so i've now drafted ninth and tenth ranked court i just wanna see what because at the end of the day this spent spot is it it's gonna go way you're not gonna doesn't it sure you probably shouldn't grab a backup running back but there's gonna be so much movement i want if tyler murray goes out there and drops forty because he's running front yard you wanna be a part of it around canal in trade that astore it's all about it's all about the process sean anyway the process i also just wanna make sure we talked about cuyler because sean loves the name so horrific now europe sean two rounds to go one and a half around for you or three rounds two rounds russ you know what the my man bruce arians says no risk it no biscuit i'm gonna risk get deep ball threat still some speed left going into way into a a great offensive situation he's coming out gimme the sean jackson i mean it's pretty pretty the shot equal kota got gotta get some so in dallas goddard potential to yeah those yeah you're keeping that's right this is actually how sean will draft is fantasy teams i i reached times i missed the years of mcnabb being a first term great okay arguing on your back now in the alarm gonna take a third tired of you can't say not reach a deal loose matt brita are off the board i'm gonna go to buffalo i don't think frank or la shawn mccoy do enough of this bills team week five weeks six devon single terry could be the guy buffalo needs the run the ball they need a give josh allen some options i the draft in third overall he could real boom potentially give me devon single they have tj yeldan also which is also interesting yeah okay because he's a guy like you know he's a service will pass catching back i agree with you on shady and gore but don't sleep sleep on yeldan like very serviceable as an nfl back there's also the element of if you're doing a pre training camp draft this is the kind of late round pick you want it's a bullet so yeah it could be a starting running back ready yeah his upside is that he's hitting the majority of the carries on a team that's gonna run the ball yeah could be on the houston texans and among i read something from the buffalo newspaper said he's splitting first team reps with gore and the shawn mccoy which is a good sign but again it's insanely early like ito smith duke johnson an eight p m p they're all off the board kramer what do you do in dj more went along time ago curtis samuel still there you know i'm a little higher on cam newton most again this is more of a why why is he he's going with guys who don't have the opportunity that he will while the more fun take maybe here's go john brown and say he's gonna get his deep ball mojo back with josh allen concealing josh allen can do i'm gonna stick to the safer pick curtis samuel then you are now on the clock i like it and then just for reference guys 'cause i'm gonna go the second quarterback also remember i said safe and upside right i already had big ben jesper no were going into like the last round of the draft philip rivers still available has another option okay jared goff whether you if you like these rams wide receivers and you think girly has arthritis they're gonna throw the ball you know like available in the last round the fucking draft okay and say oh yeah so but because i when a safe with ben give me fucking lamar jackson as you know like quarterback okay why not yeah those six week diners monetary yes sorry this step on you there but i i i read sat there he was a top seven or top five fantasy quarterback those six weeks you start it now will see continues but it's worth a shot and really what safest sixty rushing yards in the game you know what that is on like it's ridiculous and people don't realize just how much of an impact forget him josh allen was like qb seven for the second half of the year on the strength of a similar running game with trubisky the same stuff you're back on the cartoon yep so i need another wideout so that's where i'm going i go to the wideouts spots of these guys here i said it before give me day sean hamilton he guy okay i think sanders on the puppy got a ton of targets in december cortlandt sutton it'll be on the outside joe flacco is not throwing the ball downfield like here's the thing also crepe even if sanders isn't on the pop he's gonna not be able to build chemistry with flacco in training camp in the pre season you know he won't be on the field then he'll be on the day sean hamilton is the one who will be building chemistry you know i never like the rookie tight end takes too long for them to grow i think no offense will be okay in dynasty settings but i think day sean hamilton will leave this team in catches he's still there for me i was between for me it was between him and i cannot believe that kenny stills is still there i gotta tell you guys he's gonna be the number one in miami he's the deep proud guy he's over performed his the atp like every single year and here's the thing he's the deep guy we know fitzpatrick will suck it down field who do you think he's chuck it to it's not the same parker it's not anybody else any still go out perform atp also but a i you know i want one day sean 'cause he's like my a he's mike diamond in the rough man i'm gonna throw a even though i would probably say kenny stills here i'm gonna say give me justice to i know we like mark ingram but i think at a minimum justice he'll probably be on the field for the passing work an you never know i mean who mark ingram i like you i happen to like him this year probably a situation where in deeper leagues i'm gonna take both those guys but again you're taking a bulletin dnd we have two picks left in the draft sean literally whole draft as two picks left you are the last pick second elastic who do who goes i think he has they and again this is just like rating local stuff and and and people saying all their chemistry lookout forum and that is from the seattle seahawks david more yeah they're super deep fifty three targets last season i think he has eight he's someone you you drafts probably i'd probably drafted him too high for this sort of draft i'm not gonna drop the backup quarterback to satisfy the algorithm rating system five so to recap my team drew drew brees christian mccaffrey trico and keenan allen chris godwin zach ertz mark ingram on my bench right now will fuller vance mcdonald the sean jackson david more in devon single terry degrade c plus results unresolved i just finished mind and it it just popped up just oh i got it hey no reid off real fear team there dane are all right let's see where do i find that a i got i got it right in front of me okay yeah i got highly rated off yeah guys all right we got a melvin gordon travis kelsey t y hilton kerryon johnson amber cup james white christian kirk rishaad penny big ben jerick mckinnon lamar jackson and hamilton out of denver that's a good team yeah they gave me a day which makes me actually worried about this team if we act the fucking hilarious do it right i was given may be eighty eighty six out of one hundred myron final round learn who i beat you shouldn't be in better shape lost james winston i really liked the running back or dalvin cook for some reason i'm getting higher and higher and leonard for net everyday devonte mike williams hunter henry philip lindsay marvin jones curtis samuel ronald jones justice so in my lottery ticket cuyler murray murray saying don't know what for net with all those guys those running backs that like ten eighteen there's injury questions there's some kind of questions with all of them you know what i mean so why not whichever one you like of that group i actually liked avante freeman you know i know he's banged up all the time but if we liked this atlanta offense then he's gonna get a ton also i mean they're gonna be sketch will not good for you the falcons have thirteen games indoors the year yeah it's a it's absolutely ridiculous them end the packers are two teams in the nfc that i think are gonna be in the playoffs that were last year i'm and i love that schedule for all the falcons for all the falcons jake from a day a dean before we let you go any other any other nuggets just stuff that you were h in the talk about the show and we didn't get to a during the mock draft no not really i think you know we talked about as a kind of played out with things like the the settings a when the tight ends get the bonuses you know that is really the most important thing understand that understand the p pr kind of backs that you might need an definitely the idea of waiting on quarterback we made the point here like you know you could have gotten philip rivers on waivers in this league in a twelve team league you know in the last round and so make sure you stocked up with those running backs those wide receivers if you don't get one of those three tight ends and get the tight end those second tier tight ends the henry's the you know they they ingram's howard's those guys will be just fine but load up on those wide receivers and running backs i will say like the value isn't there in quarterback early but because there's probably only eight ish tight ends it falls off like maybe you do at one invest like that's my take away and doing a lot of these you know the funding about doing all these drafted you kind of see how the formula change based on where you're picking based on who you go with early and what i've found is it's tough to not come away with a star running back early you confined receivers i mean my my team team would would highlight that as i spent three out of my first four picks on running backs i did go demonic them first but man you really wanna get those running backs 'cause it does kind of fall off their gotta get one of those maybe whatever it is whatever the line is for you for me it's joe mixon like whatever eight or nine you're definitely wanna get one of those guys and and i and in the first round even if you're staring at a divine tae adams or who leo jones like the running back you would get on the comeback is probably not the rb one that you want and there's value at the white out later on so i agree i even go eight in a row running back at the top of the draft and with the tight ends though in the ones that i'm doing to your point kramer like i'm winding up with a lot of oj howard hunter henry i even i'm okay with the jared cook that kind of like second tier that probably has four five evan ingram even like that kind of tier because i'm not i got kelsey in this draft because he was staring at me in the second around still but if i'm not getting the kelsey hurts i'm completely comfortable with that hunter henry oj howard tier and i'm getting that you know in the whatever and like fifth or sixth round and that's that's completely comfortable for me what the kid getting the quarterbacks real late and going and going crazy with these running backs but you gotta get you started early on because so many every other team you know has has has and are bbc right so there's very few workhorses these days so you gotta get one up top showing just lit up he's learned a new actress running back by committee that yeah i mean i i think specifically in these types of like home leagues or whatever where you're it's twelve teams shorter bench just yeah there's no value in taking that court like one of your buddies is going to take patrick mahomes in the sec yeah let let it happen let it had on just be ready happy that you're already to ready to go and be stoked you have a quarterback the loves the grab posting a legit all right john yeah you for participating in podcast make sure you follow dana on twitter at speeding speeds end a check him out his show on fantasy radio anything else you wanna throw out there doing now that i have me on again make sure to avoid those four games these men forgot about diamonds only and i think you guys those were tuned in the podcast rate review and share on i tunes for the sports give my pockets i'm sean stacking the multi grain and here's ryan man who gave me such a great word kramer lead yeah right

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Which Buccaneers Will Make the Pro Bowl?

The PewterCast : A Tampa Bay Bucs Fan Podcast, Buccaneers

48:33 min | 1 year ago

Which Buccaneers Will Make the Pro Bowl?

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Coming up you're practicing for it. Yes exactly it's called freestyle lip synching interesting. You'll have to. You have to let us know how that goes share Would like say hello. Welcome we are going live with. This are wednesday. Show our our mid week show and this is the show where we of take a break from all the who have what's going on over the course of the week as far as games and all that we talk about something else albeit still related to our beloved tampa bay buccaneers and. I think we've got a really good topic on hand this week. This one not so much off the wall as much as it is actually fairly revel row revelant nope relevant relevant to to to what's going on But not talking about games stuff going on right now. Pro bowl voting has open to realize that it opened until like two or three days after it had gone live open two or three days. It opened on. The twelfth is did what i saw. Yeah so as we as we record this right now. If that number's correct it's it's been open about six days but pro bowl voting is open and we always like to talk about potential pro bowlers on our team and so for today. We thought we'd just kind of go through the team and talk about not only who do we think really has a good shot at making the pro bowl but also maybe at least who are the people who should at least be inconsideration even if they may not Yeah yeah exactly exactly. Who who would be worthy the caveat. I'm gonna get give to this. And we may forego this part of the conversation as usual. We'll say okay. Well if you're gonna make the pro bowl then who's getting out of the probe like because you gotta take somebody spot. There's only so many young. There's limited spaces right We'll avoid that for all of these things and just kind of let let the players rest on their own merits. Right that makes sense You know we're not gonna go. Allie deserves to go. But who does he have to be out like exactly exactly. We'll just let them talk about their own merits. And for those of you. That are joining us live. And you're in the chat room first of all hello to you guys if you want to drop your thoughts as we're talking We may or may not shout them out but you guys are certainly welcome to do that. We'll we'll go through that. But i think ran the best way to sort of go through. This is just kind of go positionally through. We'll start in the offense and just sort of work our way across the team and see who on the roster we might have a shot who should at least be in consideration and maybe who has no shot whatsoever. I'm not gonna go through. Who has no shot whatsoever But are we going to give sort of lake. We're gonna talk about weight. Do you mean who has who should get votes but has no shot of making it. Yeah that's what i'm talking about. You don't get donovan smith. No that would be That would be a foregone conclusion. The new show exactly exactly. That would be of a conversation. But i don't think or we don't think is going to get it right like boiler okay. Well no i'll. I'll say you know what's interesting. I was listening to Scott and casey today and scott smith said this is probably since two games are being played. This is probably going to be one of the bigger honors of making the pro bowl. Because you're not there's no replacements. Oh like these are the guys you know like when james has got his he was like the sixth replacement right but he's a pro baller So yeah so this one means a little more than most. Because even if you're on i are like you're still not getting placed right right support for this podcast comes from. Wg you do. You wanna more skilled and effective workforce. Do you want to build loyalty and increase employee retention. A partnership with western governors university could be exactly what you need over three hundred organizations. Nationwide already count on. 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What do you think is he got a shot at making the no no no. We're not talking about him. Obviously tom brady tom. Brady's perennial pro bowler but you know as he having another pro bowl year we also know and we. I guess we can talk about the idea of like. Once you've made the pro bowl you tend to keep making it like it's sort of the the that thing whether you actually deserve it or not. So we can. We can discuss how that factors in. But what do you think. Tom brady does he. Is this a pro bowl. Nod year again for him. Well let's do we have. We weren't gonna do who's up against. I mean seriously in the. I don't know how many quarterbacks they take for each side but in the nfc. I mean who we have you've got is you've got it's three is a three on each side. It's three. yeah. I think drew brees has to be in that conversation at some point Aaron rodgers their tom. Brady's there you got those big three wilson is are they. Yeah they're nfc But you think so seven three. He's in the conversation. Okay fair enough. Votes right Anybody else nfc. South matt ryan might get some votes. Just the team stinks. No one in the nfc east at all Yeah i guess that's kind of it. Who who i mean. You know he for his injured as he is will they. Dax played like two games right. That's what i mean like. I i know he will he will. He will get no vote. Well he'll get some votes from the fans out of out of dallas. Well then they're retarded but we already knew that so he's got a good shot. I think he's played well enough. And you know it's just as we know this this award is linked to the teams that have better records in the bucks or seven and three. Also there you go. Yeah i think i think brings a real good show all right. Well let's let's jump into the backfield. Let's talk about a running back positions. Talk about roggio rojas having kind of a year that i it almost feels a little quiet to me now. Granted he just had egypt broke off that big run but you know a couple of things that people might not realise. Roggio has like the third largest number of yards of all running backs in the entire league. Right now he's got. He's got bench like three times right. He's he's also like what two hundred yards less than two hundred yards away from from breaking a thousand yards on the hundred. And i think he's like just over seven. Is he just over okay. But anyway he's close like a couple of games that he could get it. Yeah so so you have all that but as you mentioned he's been benched a few times he's had he's had some fumble issues and and again. This is where i go back to. He's been terrible. He's or this year right right right. So does does roggio let. Let's acid is a two part does roggio at least deserve pro bowl consideration getting some votes. But what do you think the reality is actually making the pro bowl gay. He's not gonna make the pro agree. Yeah he second. Nfc in yards behind. Dalvin cook the only other player in front of is derrick henry of tennessee But when you got names. Like zeke elliott nick. Chubb is now back. Oh he's af samsar carson's having a good year in seattle when he's not injured. I mean there's there's this. This is where mccaffrey christian. Regardless of being injured Alvin kamara adding mara. Definitely like tomorrow's going in before roggio. I'll vote mckee kamar before roja right right. You know so i don't know if they take two or three or maybe even four. But i think i think it's a stretch here definitely below fifty percent. Right you know maybe even only twenty seventeen and just talk myself down fifteen point two right so yeah. I don't think roggio makes let me let me ask you this. Six remaining games in the season right pro bowl voting ends though. It's probably it's probably gonna end way too way too late. December twelve has actually when pro bowl voting in. So we've got maybe two more games maybe. Three more games total Is there anything row. Joe can do over the next three day three games that would catapult him very although we don't think it's going to happen. But what would that be if it were to catapult him into that sort of stratosphere well if they let him go free roggio twenty touches monday night and he has like a hundred plus yards one. Hundred and fifty combine yards has a christian. Mccaffrey alvin kamara. Game against the rams and the bucks win. And then you know he was up for like the fedex ground and air player of the week If he if he has one of those games against the cheese you know the to back to back. This is probably the toughest two game stretch. The bucks are going to face this year And he comes up big and both those games. I think you know that it will help him. a lot. Especially since one is going to be a monday night game right now even if with the saints tobacco row did nothing to lose that game for the bucks. He got the ball three times. Think he carried it for seven and five and then zero on the goal line right and that was it so i thought you know he did his job for three place but doing your job for three plays even. If that's the replays you get isn't exactly something that's gonna earn. You remember that like he's not the problem. Everyone's going to remember the defense. And tom brady terrible right when they you know of the last time they saw the bucks. Play all right. Well let's let's move on. Let's move let's move out. Let's go to the wide receiver position now. Mike evans and chris. Godwin both made pro bowls last year. Antonio brown is back on the team this year. i don't anticipate him getting any sort of pro bowl nod. Think that's so dubious. But mike evans and chris godwin. Chris's had a lot of injury. This year hasn't really had a chance to consistently shine like he did. Last year evans has been shut down for multiple games this year. Edward targeted or just simply not targeted. However he's somehow still leads. The team in receptions and yards and touchdowns and i'm not sure where he is as far as ranking in the rest of the of the nfc. But what do you think. Mike evans chris godwin. They also still have the. They're in the club thing going for him. What do you think about it. I don't think either make it. I think mike not gonna make it. Because he's not having a. You're gonna compare. Mike evans year to mike evans years. He's gonna thousand yards and he's not gonna set the all time record for seven years in a row starting off your career making a thousand yards and like you said chris has been heard too much i think he's missed more games than he's played And again like you said. There's like three games left. Two games left just just a handful for the pro bowl tap to go in. I think allen has a better even with mike evans being mike evans. I think godwin has a better chance. Because i think nationally people blake woke up so chris godwin last year. Yeah yeah you know. Like i got whip before i was reading. I'm sorry i was reading something earlier. Where they said in a fantasy football this year. Chris godwin hand over fist. Went like significantly. More before mike evans did drafts like like across the board. Goblin is a better receiver all around receiver. When you take everything into effect like look at it this way and this is not that. Mike stinks. And chris is great it would. It is is king. chris. Guy wouldn't do everything mike evans does on the outside. That's not a rhetorical question can do everything. Here's the thing mike evans. Some some some way by virtue of his height he really does have that ability to to to come down with the ball and snatched away from defenders and just get get over their head. I don't know that. Chris godwin has that ability. He's he just lack of height Via chris godwin does absolutely has the ability. Kind of like a deandre hopkins. Just he could be in traffic and be the guy who comes down with the ball like inexplicably. So that's my only hesitation of going. Yes he can do everything except for like the climate ladder can't climb. The ladder is high. Sure yeah okay. Yeah can mike evans do at chris. Godwin does in the slot. Now no no no no anchor. And i think i think the biggest thing between the two is you gotta start looking at yak. They can make crazy catches chris. Godwin can turn on and pick you up a bunch of yards afterwards and mike evans. Just doesn't doesn't you know cash looking for a place to land. Yep but mike evans is just that. He's eat mike. Evans is such a bigger target though. He's been chris godwin. I agree you know you. You look at a lot of those catches at chris. godwin makes those throws have to be threaded on a needle to use that phrase gotta be on a dime to get told me it's just it's a crazy throw but he comes up with crazy catch with mike evans it. Just kinda put it in the zone and he'll he'll go up and get it so it's it's a different thing but anyway point being you think chris godwin is a better all around receiver. Then mike evans guess and think everyone knows it but bucks fans all right fair enough. What do you do. You think mike evans knows to know. I think he does. But it'll never admit it right right i when it comes to these two. It wouldn't surprise me if they made the pro bowl and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't either way like i don't like if i if i i would tend to say probably not but it wouldn't surprise me if they managed to slip in there either. I would be surprised if either of them made it really surprises. Mike made it. Yeah and i would be surprised. But i would be. I feel vindicated If chris cowan again. I don't think he has enough time left. Because he's missed. Twenty games right and abc not gonna megan. Scotty miller is not gonna make it and you know tyler. Johnson office four catches. He's not gonna make. Let me let me ask you this. Just for my kevin's on that. That thousand yard thing. He's currently on the season right now. Five hundred and fourteen yards okay in six games. Do you think he gets another five hundred yards. Could i mean that's easy could right. That's eighty yards a game and every game that you have two games one hundred and twenty then. It was down then he could go. It gets cut in half yeah. It's next game. He goes for one twenty then he can play then he can play a game where he gets no yardage and still at eighty and get eighty on the other three and make it just depends on if Brady wants to target them or not. Yeah my dawn. Tom brady. It's all question. I would ask tom brady if we were allowed to go to training camp this year is. I shouldn't say aloud if we tried to go training camp this year would have been. Hey tom How soon when you met evans that he lets you know that he needed a thousand yards to break the record like how before right after he said. Hi a mike. Nice to meet you. When did the subject of a thousand yards four after harry potter right before after our friend joey over in the Chatrooms says. he says he doesn't think either. Or god. when you're gonna make the pro bowl but evans does have a small chance. If he goes off in the next few weeks i think evans has the better. Can't i really do because of name. Recognition i mean evans has been the pro bowl for the last three years. I think three or four years. I think it's been like twelve. Well you know when you've been in the league twenty two years. Twelve twelve is not a bad number every other year. Like brain superbowls. They go support for this. Podcast comes from williams. Some people deliver packages others delivered dinner. At williams we deliver natural gas that is safe clean and affordable and have for over one hundred years. That's how we feel the clean energy future williams. We may clean energy happen. Learn more at williams dot com. That's w. i l. l. a. m. s. dot com all right. Let's move it in from the wide receiver position to the tight. End position Oj howard's been hurt. He's not he. I don't know that he would. I don't know that that's all speculation. But let's talk about rob gronkowski. He's the guy who's made his his first year of pro bowls before as he. He's he's back no secret. He hasn't necessarily had a resurgence of a season. But he's he's done okay for himself in the last handful of weeks. What do you think is rob really a contender for the pro bowl this year. I think he'll get some votes busy really a contender. I don't think so. Yeah but then again. I don't know who is like as a tight end. Yeah who were the top tight ends like kittles hurt. He's going the other tight end. That people you know gush about is Keikel also what about now. He's had terrible year. They the titans seattle gadgets. So you know. That's that's that. So i mean. He could mega reputation. But you know. But i really don't pay enough attention to i. Guess you know other teams guys. Kelsey always is called. Ky-ko i want. I want to combine kelsey and keithly together writing. I i go keikel so yeah so kelsey from cheese. Obviously but he's afc so it doesn't matter so he could make it. I don't think he deserves it but you know maybe he does. Because i don't. I don't really hear of another titan. You know like philly hurts usually as a good year but philly can't score to say their li- like no one's having a great year in philly. I think isn't i've news. Watch the nfc this year. i just can't i. I only say that. Because i i have roots in fantasy and i'm pretty sure i had to get rid of them because of that. Yeah injuries killed my fantasy team. This year to killed it was over my top. Two running backs were done by the end of week one. Yeah all right So with that. Let's come into the offensive line. Let's let's go sort of across the offensive line. We've already talked about diamond smith. No chance there are pets guy. Do we really need to have that conversation with him. Just completely on the opposite side. I guess what the conversation is. Do you think he's going to make it. I think he is. I mean we. We actually went through that exercise a several episodes ago when we looked at who is his competition. And we're like yeah actually alison like the because they they take four. I want to say Four guards and the of the four guards that exist that are existing that are carrying over one of them's retired one them's on i r and the other one's like not playing anymore or something like opted out so yeah it's i mean i can't say that i know what all the other guards look like across the the the nfc but alleys certain. And i feel like the again since the bucks have been playing a lot of primetime games and even in the game. He didn't play like they talked about him. Like allies. a really guard know they miss him a lot and then when he did play mar pet like he regards. So that's kind of the key in the national guy hurt telling everybody else that this players really good You know even though we've been saying it for two or three years. I i think i think marquette's got a really good chance. Maybe yeah the third best chance on the team We'll skip over jessica's only come back and talk about him in a minute. Cap is probably a no-go yeah he's he's he's playing really well but no one knows not up there. I do wanna have a conversation about tristen works as a rookie. And you know i. I don't know that he has it based on like he's a top five. He's five right. Tackle overall not typhi rookie. Okay so five offense. So he legitimately could make is what you're saying. Yeah yeah. And i think he will. I i do. Even though i don't give him his alley will make it gives you have a higher probability valley making sure but I have a feeling that that he's just going to sneak in there watching his interviews. You've got to be the most unjaded garrison. Miked up his miked up video that he had one. So you don't know what that is now. It's it's it's a peanut butter and jelly sandwich that they've sealed the edges of it. So there's no crust on it because you know kids don't like crust on their sandwiches so they've they like cut it off and like they've they've ziplock seal the edge of the ungrateful and you yes round and you stick it in your fridge and it. It's a lot of kids tristan's age probably had in their lunch bag every day going to school. He wasn't that protein he needs some peanut butter crested. It's a and the bread on. It is so like spongy. When you're yo- it's it's gross and delicious all at the same time and you go. There's no way that that's healthy for you. But it's probably healthier than half the other crap that kids are eating out there anyway. So jelly can't be the worst. But yeah and then you know. I've told you the story about when he was on the salty dogs and they're like well you know like what's the big. What's the favorite delicious i. I'll say an uncrossable was one of those things haven't we. Don't give them that very often because they just don't like him but if we had them i would probably grab one every once in a while for myself. Yeah so boxer. They brent eight four. I said every once in a while. I like sandwiches if the kids. I don't know yeah. I was never a non cruiser I guess i was for a little while. But i never asked for them to get cut off so they didn't so i just kind of left them on the play on the old paper plate. I'm done but that didn't last very long either the so anyway but yeah and then you know. When he was on with john tristan. I was on with the salty dogs. And they're like you know like what's a favorite thing you've bought and he's talked about the teapot and before. Yeah but before that he was like he went and got a dish. Soap dispenser really helps me do the dishes and like you're expecting like. Oh yeah you know. I bought this condo. Or you know. I got these really cool. Jordan's i've always wanted or car. And then he and then he remember he showing the disc goes. Oh no wait. That's not true. And then he gets up from the zoom call and you hear them talking across and he comes back and taken electric tea kettle. And he's like this is so cool and then when he had his interview after the panthers game. He's like yeah. I thought we took off. Like i thought we were in the air for like an hour guest. You thought they took off when everyone started to stand up because he was watching ventures in game. Yeah gonna move you get lost in that movie real quick so sure but when the reporter goes hey where are you watching like. He took it as like a lot of people like Well you know You know or kind of leery about like what the ceo like. You're going to judge me on this. Or maybe i don't wanna tell anybody but he's like he took a very. Oh i was watching avengers endgame like all right man like you know. He's just i. I don't even think unjaded the right word. It's it's it's naive almost childlike sort of view that he lands that he sees the world through. But he's not but he's not like stupid. You know what i mean. It's not like he's going to get into trouble in like every con man comes around the corner is gonna take all his money. You know it just as he's just I just can't figure them out yet. But i think he's all right. What do you think i. I don't know. I definitely think he needs to be an in conversation. I think he needs to be inconsideration for that I think we have seen time and again. He's the best rookie tackle. That was taken this year. And it's i don't think it's really that close to be frankly to be frank Yeah i just. I just don't know what the other right tackle or tackle situations look like out there. But i think you could definitely be in the in the mix so You know Yeah i again one of those. It wouldn't shock me to see him make it and i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't Just because everything else. I would be surprised if ali didn't make it. You know. I would be disappointed if tristan didn't right. But let's talk about our next guy ryan jensen ryan. Johnson's been having a good year. He had a good year last year. He's been having a good year. This year made the switch last week over two garden and still brought. His game made a huge impact on the offensive line. Does ryan johnson have the clout. Does he have the the the the stuff to earn him a bunch of oats and get him into the into the role this year to go to the moon the rights stuff. I don't think phil. And i don't know why and again i don't know who's playing better than because i don't think so because you know Following john letter ledger of pew report. You kind of get introduced to certain guys. Because he re tweets comments on their stuff and there's this guy out there who run like an offensive line camp and he's sort of like the offensive line jewelry breaks down film and he did his after eight games. He did his pro bowl and three people from the buccaneers line. Made it for the nfc marquette jensen and worse so he deserves it. I don't know. I don't know i just i don't i don't think he's gonna make it. Okay i don't. I just don't and i can't tell you who's playing better or probably named three centers in the nfc fair enough all right. Well then let's i th i think jenson should at least be in the conversation about it. That way I i can't say if people are going to vote for him. I don't think probably people probably will vote for him outside of buccaneer fans. Maybe some ravens fans. I don't think he's endeared himself to the wide voting audience out there. Is he going as he'd done enough to capture the votes of the other players and other coaches maybe You know we know that ryan can be a bit of a hot head. So i don't know how that sits with other teams other teams as far as voting for him. But i think gen certainly has enough to get his own team's votes in his own coaches votes and his fans votes Between here in between baltimore. But i just i'm just not sure how how he'd pull out so we'll see all right one more name on the offensive side sort of offensive side not really Do what Well sort of say sort of offensive side. Actually it's special teams ryan suck up. Let's talk about ryan sucker. They just because he gets points. Ryan stugotz having a fantastic year. He's kicking over ninety percent at this point in the season. I think it's over one hundred. It's possible in the new common core common core five qbr rating there. You go hundred. Two's low man what in the world now anyway. But what do you think ryan suck up is say Is this a real shot at making a promo for for him care. I sure yeah. I i would like to think so. I would like to say that that would almost be poetic for all the kicking struggles. We've had we get this guy in and he turns and goes to the pro bowl his first year in tampa bay kicking troubles. He sees coming back monday night. Kicked in radio. Is it nick folk or gay is a gay. Did he get signed with the the rams. Yeah i did not see that last. I heard he was still free. Agent out there. So yeah all right. Well yeah i hope. He has the same troubles in the south end zone. The he's always add right all right. Sixty seven yarder to win the game. Shoot him all right. Right from the top of the scoreboard sniper rifle. Right support for this. Podcast comes from carbon in the age of online retail. Buying a car should be no different. That's why carbon invented a brand new way to buy a car. 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So i think he's close but i don't think he's gonna make it. Yeah is that is that just because the competition of that position so tough. they'll just get. He'll get edged out by the other people around the league. Well he's probably gonna finish the year like less than ten acts and if he does it's going to be right around ten and there's gonna be eight nine guys. Nfc ten sacks or more so interested. that's just again. it's it all if you play outside linebacker You don't have to do anything you don't have to cover. You don't have to run defense. Just gets act and if you get you make the pro bowl gotcha. Let's come inside. What about dhammika. Sue any chance on him so vitas out. I think that would have been an interesting conversation. That had he not gotten injured. They both made it. If via this woods was vida and do you think like we're gonna be talking about both of them because now like it was sort of like pick your poison like if you double su vida is gonna eat your lunch and if you double via. Who's gonna eat your lunch. Will now bay has gone so the double su And you know relying on mcclendon and nacho and golson to make the plays i think goals is doing a great job best year he's had in years. Pbs in the titans mclennan had won his first game. Like oh my god where it's this guy. Come from right. And now. Every time. I see him. He's like getting off the bottom of a pile. Four years four yards downfield and nachos. I haven't seen nacho and three weeks do anything not you know. Not that they're playing bad. You know maybe they might be doing with the scheme calls for. I'm just saying that We weren't talking about the pro bowl. Yeah i don't think anyone along defensive lines that make the pro bowl at all. Yeah yeah. I don't i don't i don't necessarily disagree with you on that i would. I would love to see. I think out of everybody out there. Jp's probably guy with the best shot at it by. Oh for sure. I don't know that he's He's going to although although we've gotta get double digit sacks like in the next two or three games. Yeah at now. I would say this. As far as like elder veteran statesman in the league. Who has the notoriety in the all. That other stuff to go with that could push him into at j.p. Might have that. But i don't know that that's going to be enough to actually get him into the pro bowl so But but i think he should write lo. Let's let's drop back kind of in the same boat as allie marquette to me. Almost sri walk is levante david. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah he was the other guy that i put above marquette as as i think the best chance i think brady and lante david i think david is going to be practically a lock because people have slowly started to learn about this guy. You know the the hardest eleventh year in the league. Yeah the hard push. That buccaneers fan and buccaneers organization. Really finally at behind it Of letting people know how good this guy is like started a few years ago so now in the bucks finally winning and there again there on prime time and he's still doing david things I think it's almost a shoo lock. It's like it's like fixing the travesty. It's like When the Sorry lord of the rings trilogy shutout for the awards for the first one in the second one right then the third one they want everything right. Yeah they didn't do it on purpose because they're going to give you everything last year. Yeah you're getting this because you just made the greatest trilogy you know. It's not as you made the highest grossing trilogy. The most entertaining this isn't highbrow art cinema stuff and teach everybody a lesson or you know uncover some scandal. It's dragons and swords but you did it great and you basically let twelve years at you. Put twelve your life into this and like every day for twelve years. And here's a reward. Twenty thousand oscars we'll give you the entire year. Yes yeah i well i. I didn't like the way that they decided to do. I understood why. But i just didn't like it. 'cause those were three movies. That came out at three different times. And i think they should have been recognized for their own their own merits anyway. Moving on back to the tampa. Bay buccaneers sure. Let's talk about the guy playing opposite. Levante david devon white devon white also has been turning quite a few heads this year. Although i at least on this show We have you know there have started to be some critiques. Maybe some cracks in the armor That is devon white. But is that enough. Or is there enough there to sneak devon widen to a pro bowl in the second year in the league. I hope so. Yeah i really do. I hope he doesn't make it. Why because i want him to be so pissed off the coaches to talent. The reason he didn't make it. Because you can't frigging cover. And he just burned burns a hole in them right just practices in practices and practices and practices. And comes back. Next year is going to rip people's holds all wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute. Ren don't we isn't. Isn't there like a thing. Now where like we don't want our guys to make the pro bowl because of what it means for their like salary come their fifth year or something like out. Yeah like like. There's a salary cap reason into not one of them. He's the pro bowl which we said that when we when we did that that episode. We're like this is going to make people not want their own players. Go to the bro bowl because of a could actually like hurt your team the following year. Because yeah because the thing that i think we use via because to be the first one up being a first round draft pick like if he made he's out now but if he made two of like the next three pro bowls and because new the way this was you know he had to make the next two and your fifth year option was stacked sort of on that and it was like twelve million dollars. Yeah of the prolong the next two years for the players good for the players bad for the organization like yeah. I mean how do you. How do you like plan for that. I know right. Yeah yeah anyway i. I am never going to vote against our people making making the pro bowl. I that's just gonna be a personal policy. I have but it is just something to consider. Joey says in a chat there along those lines. Oh yeah joe jovan chat says. Hey if you guys heard about the people in jacksonville voting for yanic and guay to get into the pro bowl. Who unceremoniously left jacksonville. This past year. Vote for him so that they can get better draft pick now. I don't. I don't know how him getting a oh probably a compaq things probably what they're saying. It's yeah it's a compaq. Yeah so if he goes to the pro bowl. I think compact jumps to a third round. There i gotta tell you. I live in jacksonville. I'm not heard a single person talk about that. That's that's but. I can't say that i hear all of jacksonville but i have not heard jacksonville. Jaguars twitter i am. I live here. I know people. I talked to people so defensive. Yeah you're looking at me. Like i just stabbed through the heart and like kennedy did well. Sorry sorry zanele the bucks. They don't policies me in politics. Everybody nobody. I live in a town. Follow whoever same all want anyway. Let's move on devon white. I hope he makes it. I don't know that he will. I hope he doesn't make you hope he doesn't and you think you might as it. I don't care who. I don't even i don't even know who's up. Yeah i i he. I don't give a shit. If you made eleven tackles there all nine yards down the field because they keep throwing the ball to your guy. Yeah all right. let's move on. Carlton davis talk about him. He's in it back. Oh it's going to be tough. I this is the guy who's not gonna make it. That i got that. I'm going to be the most upset about what you yourself. Some carlton davis though i do. Because he's freaking awesome. Yeah it's because. I saw it before everyone else saw gotcha. That's what it is. It was because like too member like two years ago. Maybe yeah two years ago. And i watch. Carleton davis mike evans. Matchup and training camp. And i kept tweeting. I'm like god like if you go to training camp watch mike verse carlton like it's worth the price of admission and you know carlton would shut him down man and we all over him and it was. It was fun to watch two guys going on it really really hard there you go. I don't know. I don't think he's gonna make i don't spoil it. I don't think anybody in our our cornerback. Room is going to make the pro bowl this year. I just don't I don't almost almost like who who is Almost kind of like with with what lavar has been going through. And maybe even allie like. I just don't think they have enough clout to to get that like let's let's face it. Our secondary hasn't been shutting it down the last couple of weeks. Now carlton might have been. But i don't like as a whole. I don't know that they that they've necessarily been shutting it down so Yeah i don't know. I don't know that he's gonna make carlton's i wanna make it the most. Yeah because obviously. I want levante ali. Sure to make it over him. But i think they're gonna make it so now i turn who's left the next guy that i wanted if we only have three pro bowlers. Those are the three. I want david marquette in davis. Although i will say this. I do want to put those in talking about carlton. Joe says he thinks. Carlton david shane his twitter handle to can guard mike right. Ren that's you're saying. I was gonna say that's what i've been saying. I've been saying he needs to change it to kane guard. Because i think that'd be hilarious and funny as hell but In any anyway moving on just used to all the like the clever funny things coming. Coming from you yeah. I'm sure i'm sure that's the third time you've been snarky i. It's kind of all right. So let's do we need to move. I mean like smb mel dean ryan smith. I mean any of these guys now all right. Who's the guy that raced. The panthers tackled a race the guy oh cockerel cockrel. Yeah you just matrix. There's one more guy that i want to talk about. And that's antoine winfield. Junior does antoine winfield junior as a rookie have a legitimate shot at making a pro bowl as he stands now in week ten not as he stood back in week three and four shot. I don't think you're gonna make it And he and here's why if he's not sort of making splash plays every other week You know he kinda kinda came on with a bang and then he got an interception and like here we go here. We go but he's been kind of quiet that's that that's why i said as he sits in week ten not week four every voted back in week four and then we stopped the count. I think hands down he would have been in but we haven't. We wrote it down. I think and i just he's just not been that a splashy. He's not been that noticeable. Yeah and there's a. I think the safety of the new. You know how. I talk about how these are cau- edge guys twitter's he's not an end but he's not a linebacker so they made a position in the edge. I think safety is really going through that morphing thing right now. Like some of the best athletes on defense are safeties. But like we're going to see we're gonna play like they're gonna take jalen ramsey whose play safety but he's really a corner but they're gonna play him one on one against whoever they want to and the whole rest of the defense is gonna play is gonna play zone right and he's gonna play like one on one So but you look at seattle the guy that just left your jaguars who the hell's his name. No you can't even know you those on the rosser up here today. I don't even know. The quarterback is right now up here in jacksonville. I thought your jacksonville. Twitter jaguars twitter. Yeah i talked to then people so anyway. There's there's safeties out there. And i think this is a lot like guard in the nfl. Where your name can carry you two or three years or for everyone kind of realize that you stink or i should say you stink. But you've lost it or that. It takes an extra year or two or three for you. Know the young bucks to come in and take your spot and less you were like a top ten top fifteen safety pick Which winfield wasn't got you a second round. Gotcha all right. Well with for the record. I don't i don't think it's gonna make it based on what we what we have seen. Although i'd love to be proven wrong on that. I'd love for him to have more clout like within the league than what is a fancy You know like for when people go in and study tape and they see what he's still doing week in and week out even if it's not super flashy like i i'd love to see that but i just don't think it's going to happen anyway ren with that man. That's that's the team. That's that's really it as we across board and we're not going to be voting for coaches or Staff members to go to the pro bowl so that's really at man so fun show good show talking about the pro bowl. Yes vote right now. Vote for your buccaneers. Vote for the guys that should make it in. Vote for the guys that you wanna see. Make it in the guys that maybe who don't have a little bit longer. Shot like a ryan jensen who really probably ought to be in i. I would love to see ryan and personally i. I'd love to see antoine junior. In how many possibilities do you think there are. I think legitimately there are three. Brady's four rojas five think gronk some actual pow. No no don't don't do you think jp and actual possibility. No i don't i think jp gets lost in the. I'm gonna. I'm gonna throw jp in there as a possibility. Okay yeah David of course you're gonna put white in no no he's not gonna put white in the as a real possibility. No he if we were in a year of alternates. Yes but not in a year without alternate snow. Okay carlton daves. I'm putting in and you're gonna make okay and then are you gonna put winfield possibility now me neither so we got eight guys that we think have a real shot. That's a lot with. And that's without winfield or devon white or gronk. But that's just how he's more machine than man. 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Start or Sit (NFC), Beat the Waiver Wire, GB-SF (11/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

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Start or Sit (NFC), Beat the Waiver Wire, GB-SF (11/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie heath ben. What's going on ready to preview these six. Nfc home games including sunday night football which is going to be better than thursday night football. That would be the box and the saints. This is fantasy football today on a friday morning. Adam and jamie eisenberg. And dave richard here team named tuesday on a friday war of creek craft. Thank you. what's up guys good morning. That's how you got. Oh man what a bad game. I always think when. I see his name. I think of you because you always say cray cray cray cray cray. That would also also work river river. Craig crafts caustic. Boland's fantasy points here so we'll talk about this game for a little bit thirty four seventeen but also You know i look at the. Nfc home games. And i feel like we've got some good defenses like You got you. Tampa bay new orleans new orleans past defensive back but you've got to good run defenses there detroit. Are they a good defense. It's been kinda. I dunno questionable giants and the football team. There's those defenses have been pretty solid so and then like arizona. Miami miami especially miami like i said leading the nfl in yards per game. Pittsburgh obviously very good defense. So i don't know observation. Their debut were complaining last week. There was no good defense being played. Maybe the games we're gonna preview today We'll have some. We'll find out. We sure will all right. So let's Let's rock and roll with this game. The packers dominated this game was ugly thirty. Four seventeen the final score. They did lose gyro alexandra though to a concussion in the first half so i'm hoping that he can get back for their next game But they were also without kevin king so there. They've got jacksonville next week. They probably don't either those guys all right jamie. What are your big takeaways from. Green bay san francisco san francisco. Just feel bad for what they had to deal with. It's just a losing all of their guys. Whether due to injury or the in situation was was totally unfortunate and they really should have moved the game back to them a little bit of a favor but in any event based on what we saw It's I i will say this. I will be a little bit concerned about their rushing offense. Not that last night was a great example of what you should judge it by. But george kittle is such a factor for the rushing attack and not having him there. I think is going to be a problem. Moving forward to where the heights can be those they'll have obviously some good performances and clearly wanna get back. It's a different story but they. They lost a big piece of their run blocking with kidnapping being out right. They also didn't have trent williams or left and it would've been a horrible day for their running backs if mckinnon didn't score on the last play of the game and dave you. I was talking about this with chris towers on fifteen five. It was like. I know. I'm glad people didn't ask for too much advice me in this game because i started trent taylor in a league and i got the wrong wide receiver. I started jordan reed in a league. I got the wrong tied in. I started to michael hasty and league account the wrong running back. Everything was flipped for san francisco. That i do something wrong. Nervous just kinda weird and unpredictable. I wonder if i wonder if the forty niners flip these things they might have been able to stay in the game a little bit longer. If they had run hasty a little bit more not leaned so heavily on the arm of nick mullins then maybe they would have been a little more competitive in the game but they did find themselves down big pretty early on and i think that kinda made them want to try and throw to get back in it and the only guy that it was really working for richie james who get. We knew going into the game that he had speed. We just didn't know how big of a role he would end up having catching about. Yeah that's true. Yeah wasn't a questionable coming into the game something like that. So yeah Look jordan reads. I came back. There was talking about him. being limited. that snaps would would be Not a complete thing. And so i was excited at first when he came back and then i kept lowering in my rankings and he fell outside of the top twelve. And i did like ac coming in. But we're not cow shan and shanahan obviously felt more comfortable using mckinnon more and we knew that if they were trailing that he wouldn't play anyway so a game that i thought would be more competitive in the first place. I thought the forty niners defense would have shown up a little bit better than they did it. Just it it forced shanahan's hand to use mckinnon more especially once it was like you know near halftime. And they were just getting their butts whipped. That's the way things go and fantasy and it's tough because use a lot of those guys read and in your case adam. Trent taylor and hasty has by week guys or injury. Replacement guys and the almost almost could've just started the guy who was hurt and gotten the same result. It sucks. yeah pretty much. End for the packers. Jaime marquez valdes scantling two touchdowns also got a drop. In the first half. When i when i saw that drop. I thought that's it. He's his nights done. Rogers isn't gonna use them anymore. He's a little bit more. Yeah to jamie are any interests in picking him up or is it just gonna be. Let's pick up alan. I'd rather have allen lazard. i mean you know. That's the problem for these valdes. Scantling games is that you never pick the right one He's always going to be a better place than a redraft play. But i mean the one thing that you heard the broadcast. And i'm sure this is the case that aaron rodgers said it's not a skill problem for him. It's a confidence problem for him. And so maybe this is a confidence booster and look great to see. He adds value to the packers. He he certainly has the potential to be a decent fantasy rekindled onto the ball. Because then rogers would trust him. And there'd be some more target opportunities but the only sample size we have is week. One winners was there and it wasn't bad. So maybe maybe that's something that they can use moving forward and you mentioned this about the defensive guys. They get jackson next week. So if you are stock not a bad. Not a bad guy that you could Throw in and just kind of close your eyes and hope it's the boom bust flex. He's exactly that and he's had a lot of deep targets. He went six straight games without even seventy yards. And you didn't have touched on any of them so you know that the floor is pretty low but he definitely had some deep targets in almost every game but a lot of those games before this week. And then he had a deep touchdown on thursday. So that's what he is. The floor is lava. Been waiting to say that about somebody. The floor is lava. Kids love that. I've ever sees it worth watching or is it a one episode with them. It's fun fun. I always wonder what happens when they fall into the lava the where they go. So i have no i i have no concept. Basically all right last thing on this game. Aaron jones was only started in thirty one percent of league. So you're probably sitting there. You sat aaron jones. You watch the opening drive and you're so matty yourself for sitting area and if i told you was going to get twenty touches but it happened to be a pretty bad game for him. Seventy nine total yards five catches so at the end of the day. You might be happy. You said aaron jones funny how things worked out. Let's move on injuries. News and notes right drew. Brees has a shoulder injury. Michael thomas was limited in practice drew. Brees gonna play. I'm sure he's going to play but people seem a little bit concerned about the shoulder. Thing are that's the first. We're gonna preview but david week basically gonna be it confident in the passing game of the saints when it comes to michael thomas. Sure but that's just more. Michael thomas is back you start him because you know what its potential is than anything else and you know what to do with jerry. Cook and alvin kamera's part of that passing game too. It's funny though. He's got all of his pass. Catchers back theoretically. We don't know for sure that that's going to be the case. And we're still not sure if breezes like a start quarterback mamie feels differently. I don't know i. I don't have been top twelve spot this week and he'd been putting up some pretty darn good numbers given that he didn't have michael thomas for pretty much the entire season. So it's funny. How things work out. But i think i think being on the road for the second week in a row on natural grass against another tough defense or the second week in a row is going to catch up with your brees. He's got a shoulder injury to i mean that's not. That's not something to overlook for a guy that you know is clearly at an advanced age for an nfl player. So he played. This team wants already one. He had eighteen fantasy points. So there's a sample size with everybody. Healthy because michael. Thomas got her at the end of the game. So take that into consideration Like dave said this was his first good game outdoors last week. Prior to that he was at nineteen points and sixteen points in his previous outdoor games. We know is typically a struggle for him. So i won't be surprised if he's around twenty points like in that tannehill range a guy that's going to be a low in starting option for you But i'm not thrilled to start. Drew brees thirty seven. I'm intrigued by breeze. Rest of season just rest of season is i know. He's not throwing the ball downfield at all but he typically does. And i and i know it's even more extreme this year. He seventh in the nfl and passer rating. He of course is leading the nfl and completion rate. So you know. I think people kinda that's without thomas that's without emmanuel sanders for a lot of to jared cook for one game. I don't know standard. The three games find But you know that still with me missing key pieces. Hasn't you know he's he's played. I think a lot of times people like to write off old players and really criticize them. I thought it was a little harsh for drew brees. And he's having a nice season. And really i think honestly alvin kamara is really boosting his numbers. Yes of course but that's going to continue to happen right. I mean it's hard to criticize nine. Nineteen twenty three twenty seven twenty three writers yes and as he pointed. You can't knock guy for having great players around him. Right chris godwin was limited in practice. Are you ranking him. Not yet no no but sounds like he's gonna play. Wow yeah pumped about this game. Not so good. For mike evans. I don't think fast forward to the game in four games with chris godwin. I said this. On twitch i think yeah mike evans has six catches fifty. One yards three touchdowns of course. He has twelve targets. He has twelve targets. In four games with chris godwin. Now you've got answered brown in the mix crazy. Wow okay. i'm going to fire through the rest of the notes or you. Give me a quick reaction. Jamie ezekiel elliott has a hamstring injury. Yeah that'll help things. Is he gonna fall out of your top twenty. I'm thinking about it. Yeah okay sam. Darnold and jamison crowder missed practice. They are playing monday. They have an extra day. Chris carson and carlos hyde miss practice. What are we looking at. Last night's game was bad. Wait monday that. That game at least has a chance to be fifteen. Ended fourteen or something like that. I don't know how five love punts. What do you think about any quarterback. What do you think the seahawks back there. Because we preview this game yesterday. Do you think travis homer will take on a bigger role. What's what's the latest there. I if homer plays. I can't imagine you won't plan passing downs. He's the better option compared to dj dallas in that situation. You'll see split okay as of right now. You going zeke. Dj dallas dow could be talked into dallas pretty easily here else dallas barbecue in new york city. Just thought about that. We talked to that. I don't know. I don't know why very hungry kansas city cove news. I got this. Josh jacobs news. He has an illness and a knee issue. They promoted theo riddick from the practice squad. Are we picking up devante booker or something like that or are we assuming jacobs gonna play. I keep an eye on today. But it's not a bad idea if you want to be head of. Its big of devante booker. Now just in case but They're gonna use probably all three guys. There's no josh jacobs with riddick being clearly the distant third candidate. So here's all the cova news first of all. If you're worried about christian. Mccaffrey has matchup. Just got easier. Chris jones on the reserve covid list by the way. We don't know for a fact that mccaffrey is gonna play. But it seems that way. Chris jones is going to be out for kansas city. Star defensive tackle houston put three linebackers on the reserve covid list. One of them are positive. Maybe two of them can come back there at jacksonville. So that's three linebackers baltimore's got matthew marlon humphrey out and then you got four linebacker. Five linebackers two defensive backs baltimore's got a ton of players on the reserve. Covid list one of them back in practice yesterday and it was. Maybe one of the best ones matt. Jude on okay. That's good. He's been cleared. But patrick queen is still on their ties. Bowser eljay four. I think the rookie linebacker on there and a safety is on there but they could all all them could be cleared on saturday to play on sunday. The only one who is definitely not playing marlon humphrey. Who's their best corner arizona. Linebacker devan cunard back byron murphy. They are on the reserve covid list. Trent brown for the second time in less than two weeks. He's had a rough go of it. Trent brown right tackle for the raiders. Kobe lists same with chicago. Guard cody white hair. Tim patrick was limited in practice. We're going to preview that game but keep an eye on him. Maybe even in dfs at atlanta devante freeman was limited in practice and freeman got nineteen touches in two straight games before his injury but with the way they use the running last week with the way. Wang almond has actually been kind of effective. Do you think they'll be more of a split in the giants. Backfield jamie if freeman does play this week. No i would anticipate him getting closer to the nineteen. Total touch touches probably fifteen. You know it'd be a better number but he'll still be the lead guy. I can't imagine that he's going to lose to win. Goldman who hasn't run well to alfred. Morris is probably going to be back on the practice squad and then dion lewis. You know slow probably is still is limited role in the passing game. T y hilton missed practice. Jonathan taylor practice in full marking is probably not going to play. John brown practiced in. It's good news. Matt brita missed practice. Anyone interested in jordan howard. Am i prefer running back deep leagues. He's he's gonna probably get the most carries but it's not a good matchup and if they're chasing points is probably gonna be patrick laird or lynn boden. Phillip lindsay was limited in practice. Sony michelle michelle practiced. Probably not gonna play the speaker. What i don't know if he's eligible to think he's he's missed three games already. They move him from that. This is what. I didn't understand because he was originally on the i. For his injury whatever engineer or ancona morodor's and then they put him on the covid list. Think they removed from the kobe this last week. Right and they activated him from this week the his twenty one day window has begun. Okay so i think he's eligible to play this weekend. Can we get a chance to hear if you don't even show word to play. What would that mean for. Damian harris who. I think we're all fair fairly excited about. I'm excited about it. i would. I would be nervous. I can't say that harris will get fifty five percent of the touch share among running backs like he has the past two weeks. If sony michelle's there. But i also don't think sony michelle is gonna come in and just completely wipe harris off the field. He's probably more of a risky number. Two fantasy running back okay. A couple more notes here. There's a proposal to expand the nfl playoffs to sixteen teams this year. Instead of fourteen teams that would be interesting and ryan fitzpatrick worthy short shorts. I've ever seen to practice honor isaiah ford. Who was traded. I guess he really liked him and isaiah forty to wear extremely short shorts. But i guess it just looked funny. You're on ryan fitzpatrick and people were weirded out by it. It was pretty funny watch. Cbs massive he said too short. You have been really a lot this year. I enjoy watching all right. Cbs sports h. q. Monday through friday noon eastern sunday ten. Am eastern you got starter. Sit you got pets. 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We're gonna watch it together on twitch twitch dot com slash f f today four pm eastern and we'll have bryant mcfadden on and we'll have we'll brenton and honored a female and we always have fun to watch party so we'll see there. Let's beat though waiver wire allen lazard. It's too late thirty about that. Yeah no it's too late. Well my some of the leaks. Baker mayfield against houston. I know you have a home by next week. Forgot the other is. But i mean. Look those you've got. Kansas city dallas atlanta and the jets. I can't use the cowboys or the jets. Jamie tough week. Got baker mayfield against houston. Nick foles against minnesota. If anybody drops jared goff. He's got seattle. So that would be nice. I put rashard higgins on here. I don't know if anybody's faith at him but dallas guide absolutely dallas. Goedert is obvious. Sixty two percent rostered. Dsp's you want to stash dst's right now. The eagles at the giants the lions against washington. The chargers at miami. I think the eagles will be quite popular and they're on a by this week. So i don't think people are holding jd mckissic. I kind of interested in talking about him when we talk about the giants game. But he's at detroit against pass catching running backs for the giants. That's why that's why. I talked to them on the About him on the war. Show tim patrick. At las vegas john brown at arizona next week and the saints. The oh yeah nice. Saints against san francisco is another one so there you go the three games that we're gonna talk about lasts case you're at a time or pittsburgh dallas denver atlanta and miami arizona. So why don't we do this Pittsburgh wide receivers. What are your thoughts. Juju the start. Dante johnson is at best a flex so as claypool. I'd rather have cleveland and diontae johnson. I would go claypool. One due to and the johnson three. Yeah is there like a rhyme or reason behind the way you guys rake the steelers wide receivers probably disappointment this week. Why guy will be great because the bench by throw very much because they're gonna demolish them defensively and you can run all over the cowboys. I don't think it's going to be a huge game for them. It could be like what you had from. Rogers in the first half against the forty niners two hundred yards and three touchdowns. But i don't think it'll be a big yardage game for any of those guys know. It's three straight quarterbacks who have thrown for two hundred yards against the cowboys. It's like six. That have been to twenty five or less five with the good news is they are giving up the fifth most yards per catch too wide receivers the second most touchdowns per game too wide receiver. So you don't need a ton but it's tough to split two hundred yards three ways. They're all in play so you if you have them on your team you can feel somewhat confident playing but if you want a good representation of what. Their numbers are look at our projections because our projections are extremely low for them. Giving them matchup because dow thanks thousand nine. Good defense got not good defensively. They have played better of late because they're getting some guys back but it's just their defense for the steelers is going to potentially score. Keep them in minimal production. This isn't going to be back and forth. I became this is going to be a bludgeon game of the steelers. Doing whatever they need to do. Defensively and i just don't see ben having a huge volume so that limits the upside for those three guys how the cowboys wide receivers. No thank you know. Would you start all three steelers overall. Okay how about ezekiel elliott. I guess could be around twenty or so at the end of the week. I mean it's it's easy to make the argument against him. He's got fourteen non-pwi. Pr points total in his past. Three games as offensive line stinks. He's running a noon. Incredible steelers defense. He's not getting the work that we were hoping that he would get and now he's heard on top of it. Why are we starting. Why the does your because you're scared of missing out on one hundred yards in touch from a guy who took in the first round. Take a long look at your other running. But how is he going to get to one hundred. Make sure he does make explosive plays anymore. It's just i'm sorry. It has to be said the elite running backs in the nfl. they can break off explosive. Plays ezekiel elliott has not been doing that going back to all of last year. I'm not trying to sit here. And say ezekiel elliott's bad. But he's just different. He's a different type of running back. And like you could say oh saquon barkley could always break off a sixty yard touchdown. Run alvin kamara. Obviously christian mccaffrey obviously dalvin cook. It's just not happening for zeke. The allure of ezekiel elliott has always been the offensive line. He's a great player behind amazing offensive. Lineman they're healthy and that line is gone. Zack martin is a stud. He's one of the best guards in football. still taking. If you starting team right now he'd be among the first elections of offense alignment but he can't do it by himself and so they tried. last week. you heard the broadcast. It was just running behind. Zack martin everybody and it and it. It was working a little bit. But i mean figure out. Certainly the steelers have the personnel to stop that and so the problem. I think for zeke. And i just don't understand. It is why they're not throwing the ball. It's an easy play for your quarterback and so that was why he was still putting up decent numbers before that got hurt and the first game after that hurt. But it's just been nonexistent. The last two weeks. I don't get it all right. Let's go to start on meter now for atlanta and denver Drew lock in starter denver. Running back if lindsay plays flexible. Five higher than zeke now No jerry jeudy four. I like him. If there's no tim patrick. If there's tim patrick i would downgrading a little bit about tim or jerry. Jeudy with patrick place patrick. I'll go with judy right now. Because i think there's a little report developing with drew lock and jerry. Jeudy is always open. He's opened on every play matt ryan. Well we like noah fant dave's a little on a fan. We'll talk about that. But he's a starter matt ryan Low in started. Better than lock but much veteran calvin ridley place right. Yeah i mean you start started with fridley plays if really doesn't play that a little bit more interesting ryan or band. If really misses the game. I still take ryan over bad. Take ben russell gauge ridley's out. I got a shoulder injury if he plays no. I don't have much interest. I mean he's just been blah hayden. Hearst there's really are this is a tough match-up it's crazy. How good they are. No they've turned out to be very good against them. They stunk week one. But ever since then they've been a little bit better But hers to save for five for fifty always gets end. Zone looks okay. How about going airasia and miami. I think christian kirk is a tough call this week. What are you guys. think i like milwaukee. I'll ride the tot hand. I think it's going to be game. Where the cardinals are able to expose the dolphins defense a little bit very good defense. They've been fantastic number scoring defense in the nfl. but i think it's going to be gamer. Kyla murray because he moves extent play. A christian kirks certainly developing nice report with him. And so i started as low in number two guy same. I think that that's the best way to put it is that he's a low end number two receiver. I'm hoping that this is one of those games where he gets five catches and two of his past three straight just illustrate how good the broncos are against they. They got gronk at the time that he was starting to pick things up. Six or forty eight on seven targets then after that it was travis. Kelsey week seven in the snow for what. It's worth three for thirty one on three targets. And then hunter henry for thirty three on four targets and plus hebron in week two against them. And all johnny did was cata touchdown. he didn't have a big game for for thirty six. Okay for thirty. Six and a touchdown is like top five for a tight end in fantasy this year. Yeah they'll be good. But you know you need the touchdown. Okay and then finally devante parker or really any dolphin. I'm not particularly interested. I know the matchup might be better. If byron murphy doesn't play if he stays on the covid list. But i i'm nervous. I'm nervous about trusting any of them you to see more from two. I really hope honestly that this is a game where the cardinals especially chase edmonds. They build a lead and dolphins are chasing points and we get to see to have to open things up. Sure like just to see you want to see what what this could mean for. And that could be a game from parker could be a good game for preston. Williams could be may benefit the most without that. Is they afford there. Because now he's essentially their top slot guy so you know. I'd like to see all three of those guys. Step up and play well and then you know what the running back situation is. There's going to be two weeks after this but three weeks in total where definitely there's no myles gaskin. So whether it's matt brita out there playing or jordan howard doing something or maybe patrick laird. You know you like to see something from one of these guys to say. Okay now i can pick somebody up for the next two games all right. Let's go here. We go new orleans at tampa bay sunday night. So stat of the game is the. This was kind of weird. But the saints have allowed a touchdown to tight end and five of six games. So are you at all concerned about rob gronkowski now with the full complement of wide receivers. None i if you're gonna start gronk anyway. It wouldn't be a surprise of his target share. Went down yeah. And i have to point out. Yes they're giving up touchdowns but recently. Tj hopkinson had nine yards hunter. Henry had twenty three yards. Jimmy graham had thirteen yards. So they're getting better against tight ends but still giving up some touchdowns that would be the new orleans saints first. Meeting was week one. It was a thirty four twenty three win for the saints kind of an ugly game starting with drew brees so we just talked about like matt ryan and ben rothlisberger and drew lock kind of in the low end starter discussion here. Where's drew brees compared to those guys jamie he's ahead of the those guys so specif- gets his guys back With thomas joining sanders. So i don't think a huge game. But i don't think he's gonna stink davies. Start then big. Ben if he gets guys back that's now i've been ahead of breeze but i'm not ranking thomas because it's not officially. I think ben is safer. I think brees has a higher ceiling because they'll throw more okay and you guys are both taking over yet but i mean just keep an eye and practice board if he doesn't practice on sunday on friday for breeze. Go pick up jamison to quarterback leagues. Can you imagine. Can james going back to tampa. That'd be fun interceptions for the bucks defense. I start alvin kamara. He's good great. Run defense chimera might struggle. They're like he did in week. One twelve carries for sixteen yards and a touchdown but he also had five catches for fifty five yards and a touchdown. michael thomas. if he plays we'll start them now. What about the other saints ever. What about emmanuel sanders. Basically what are you thinking about him. He'll go and number three guy the first game. It's only game you have with him and thomas on the field together and it was Three catches for fifteen yards and a touchdown on five targets. Now i think it'll be better than that. Yeah can we can we. Shouldn't we just eliminate that. Because they i mean he really had no office with them right things are. It's the only the only game we have were thomas and sanders were on the field together so it just happens to be the same game against the good secondary so i think he got a downgrade sanders from what he was clearly. Because now tom is gonna play. So i i'm still a little bit concerned about sanders you know. That's something factor in because where if you're drew brees i read is obviously going to be thomas. Then you gotta factor in cook and tomorrow so think sanders is going to be in the five to seven target range at best. I mean that's typically what the second receiver has been have success on those targets. Maybe he had at least nine targets in his last two games. There's no way he's getting that high. I think unless thomas's the decoy or out waiting on this long bring back in them. They bring them back. They're not throw throwing the football that would make no sense now. Yeah if he gets nine tar sands gets nine targets is we got a lot of points in a very fun sunday night game by the way the spread is five point. Four and a half points. Tampa bay is a favorite and the total fifty and a half points right now. So that's not like a super high total like for example. Buffalo seattle is fifty five points because these teams can play some defense particularly against the run. All right so would you start manual. Sanders michael thomas place. We start emmanuel sanders over any of the bucks wide receivers. No okay. so how would you rank right. How would you rank the five relevant wide receivers in this game. Assuming thomas in and godwin. Yeah yeah yeah. I would go godwin one thomas to Evans three antonio brown four sanders. Five thomas godwin brown evans sanders interesting. Okay so jamie has gone over. Thomas davis the opposite. Jamie has evans over. Brown davis the opposite. Would we agree on emmanuel sanders. Would you start. would you start at tokyo. Browde over the bucks running backs jones for sure but what about four net. I'll start from it. let me tell you. i think i'll take the chance of brown. It's such an interesting dynamic. Because if godwin plays bruce arians gets what he wants. He can limit brown snaps. If godman play then bruce arians. It's probably forced to plans on your brown So it's it's such a weird scenario at played. Because clearly bruce arians is not one hundred percent on board with this to the level of tom. Brady's excitement level about this so when browse on the field. I'm sure tom brady is looking at him as one of his top who reads but how often is going to be on the field. According to bruce arians ten snaps or ten thirty cents is going to be bruce caller. Is that gonna be. Brady's call that's all personnel is gonna be bruce's goal unless they're losing in tom's. I don't care what you say he's playing. Right right bruce. Likes to defer to quarterbacks. That's been made clear through the years. I i got a feeling. He's gonna play way more than ten snaps thirty five snaps. I think that was a number. That came out of bruce's mouth at ten or thirty five right so he said about ten plays going to be thirty five plays. It's like just threw. That number out of brown goes out there and he shows in the first quarter that he knows what he's doing. It's going to be easy to let them play the whole game out there. And he's making a mistake or two. I think bruce will say he's just not ready yet right. why why. we can't rush him into lineups right. And i see what you're saying you know about taking tests on one hundred percent correct. I if you have a three receiver league and he's in the mix of somebody to play play. It's national tv game this is brady's not reputation brazen one that put himself out there for this and so there's an opportunity of god was not there now. Was there adam you just read off. The numbers. mike. Evans has been left out when chris collins been on the field. Now you have antonio brown and mike evans on the field. Godwin is still going to be the guy because of where he plays how the plays or design and tom brady still likes to do which is still thrown in the middle of the field. So does he. Kicked scott miller off the field in terms of antonio brown because they do need a downfield threat scott. There's been that guy for them. He's been good. But i don't know if he's great and so we'll find out where they put antonio brown that's going to determine. I think brady looks for him. So i don't think he's a must play. I still think the touchdown potential favors. Mike evans says i'll play evans overground. Because you know he's going to be on the field and you always get red zone target. Well he's going to get resin targets. That's what he does but okay so then if godwin plays would you be comfortable starting like christian kirk over over brown and And evans. I'm already starting christian kirk over brown. So yes that would still be the same christian kirk i think i would probably make the move of kirk over brown and evans but right now i've got brown ahead of kirk and heavens ahead of kurt about like dj dallas vs. Mike evans if there's no chris carson yes. I play dj stuff. I think i would too okay and four net. It's so funny that. I do a podcast with two hurricanes guys and i'm the most excited about j. Well what does that tell you about. These eight dollars jabe coaching staff. That misuse them. No no no no he. Was there workhorse. Running back i would. I would say twenty three touches last week. Honest to god watching travis homer and dj dallas. For their. three. Years in miami travis homer to me was definitely a better running back and that is why i was so nervous about dallas last week and why i thought homer was ahead of dallas on the depth chart. You know which is also why. I was nervous about last week so when homer was active. I got scared off dallas. And i know he was equal. Homer wasn't healthy so that's my thought going into the game was the dallas was too heavy at miami. I don't know if he's lost weight. He was like rips. He was not looking like a running back. It was weird. So maybe he's maybe he's the different body types. He was recruited as a receiver. He never really played receiver. My maybe a little but now he was a running back. He returned kicks but he was like jacked way. Too big and kinda slow leonard fournette. We're not started on last week to visit. Mean he would say by touchdowns he he caught a touchdown it was a great play by seattle. He had another short yardage touch. On the almost a third touchdown in the game. All right. sorry. Let me let me get back to deficiency as a runner pretty obvious with dallas. Yes much better match up this week. Obviously okay tampa bay. We're not. Nobody's excited about ronald jones. Let's let's face it. The saints have a very good run defense here. Third fantasy points allowed to running backs however they also are allowing the sixty s receiving yards per game to running back. So that you would think would hurt. Leonard fournette deondraye swift has the most receiving yards against the saints. And he has thirty. You're talking aaron jones. Josh jacobs justin jackson. Mike davis they had seventeen to twenty four receiving yards. So what does that mean for. Leonard fournette this week low and number two running back into shared situation not a great start. Goodness start pr obvious reasons. And it's if all three of these receivers are healthy for tampa saints. Can't load up the box of trion slowdown for net. Now it's a matter of four net doing his job because there were flashes of greatness on monday and then there were a lot of plays where he just did not look very good at all. He looked like the guy that we saw in jacksonville for a lot of the years. Where he plummeting into his offensive lineman for. I think. Thirteen yard carry on his first carry. Not really that much else after all right last one. Good carry after that one well wasn't longer than thirteen yards. I know that that will tell you about that. And we talked about the giants football team for cook or or gronk dalvin. yeah yeah. I've got gronk higher. Take all right for four to five games. With a touchdown. Catch jared cookies. Top ten in both formats gronkowski even higher than that detroit at minnesota stat of the game. This is about the andrea swift. No running back just like i said about the saints not more than twenty nine receiving yards against minnesota now. They haven't faced the toughest competition when it comes to pass catching running backs. But they've been pretty good here so jamaal williams and chris carson. for example. They both had six or seven targets and neither of them had more than twenty seven yards. I think they both had exactly twenty seven yards. Meanwhile the andre swift you look at his season. He had a fifty four yard run. You take that runaway. He's averaging three point three yards per carry only forty carries. I only bring that up because consistently year after year. It's like seven years now. This team can't run the ball. So what are your expectations and your excitement level. What's your excitement level for. Andre swift this week at minnesota think he's a good number two fantasy running back. But i think you gotta give this almost the incomplete preview because it's so different if chase daniel starting matthew stafford and we're not gonna know that until probably saturday night or sunday morning all right so lay it out. Then jamie give me your thoughts on the on the lions with and without matthew stafford. There's colluding upgrade. you know. Beth goes without saying so. I would feel much more comfortable about everybody if stafford is there Dave had some good numbers on what chase. Daniel can do for deondraye swift's so i'll let him handle that side of things but stafford is is out there. I still would prefer to everybody so Swift this'll number. Two running back with or without stafford and then marvin jones is the one that benefits the most. Because i'd be less inclined to trust. Marvin jones antioxidant for that matter. But i still start hopkinson based on his position. But i'd be much more inclined to Start marvin jones as a top twenty. If matthew stafford other and stafford be must play hockey. I i'm sorry to muster no matter what no matter what. He's a top five guy with stafford there. He's more of You know borderline top ten guy with stafford out but there's just there aren't enough tight ends to reliably put ahead of hopkinson either way just to compare sorry before you go. I wouldn't start hopkinson over both gronk and cook if stafford place. If stafford's out no way would start over those first things. First swift. I know last week was a dud. But his snap rate went up again. He was at sixty two percent in week. Eight his touch rate also went up from fifty two to fifty three percent so he still getting the majority of the touches in the majority of the time among the lines running backs. Hopefully that keeps up chase. Daniel has five starts in his career eastone seven touchdowns in those games to have been a running backs the only one hundred yard receiver that he's had as a starter was tariq cohen. He likes checking down. He is not a downfield thrower. He will lean on the running backs a little bit more. That's his tendency. I don't know if the lions coaching staff is going to bring out the gunslinger. And jay's daniel i'm gonna say that. I doubt that that happens. So i think it would be a little bit better for swift if daniel place and it might be better for arkansas to just short area targets would favor. Those targets are favored by daniel being there versus stafford who does have a tendency of downfield whether gala days there are not swift a number two fantasy running back either way. I'd be a little more encouraged if it's chase daniel swiss out to be. Daniela dated that's true. We didn't even think about david. Blau being the quarterback and what that means and we saw blah last year certainly attack downfield a little bit more than we thought he would call. David hale. That's mine. that's his name name again. Is david how swift or dj. Dallas swift swift. Ok p p r for me. Let's say matthew stafford plays swift or marvin jones swift jones or an tonio brown jones. Stafford plays even if godwin is out. So you'd be quite excited about marvin jones of staff. Yeah i was. prior to. This report was too. I was too. I think you can count on seven targets and you might seven targets with blau as well. It's it's i feel like it'll be a little bit lower if it's chase daniel before we get seven targets. He's he's like a fifty fifty shot to have a good fantasy game with the track record from before you say marvin hall. Because i'm gonna ask you. Who's your second favorite detroit wide receiver. Don't forget danny danny. Amendola didn't seven targets in weeks one and two both those games without kenny golladay. So who's your favorite Who's your second favorite wide receiver hard. Yes me it would be hall and with daniel. It would be knowing okay right okay. I can't trust amendola either. One of them. But i would. I would just go based on what we saw last hall all these marvin halls their version of marquis about this scantling. What do you think about kirk cousins. This week i hope stafford plays because then it's probably a more competitive game and so then you have to see kirk cousins. Most likely throw so last week was just an embarrassment of riches for dalvin cook. So they didn't have to throw fourteen pass attempts for kirk cousins which low for any quarterback including him. You probably still figure. He's around twenty five to twenty eight pass attempts. Because that's what minnesota wants to do. And that doesn't make her cousins appealing but if the lions defense can somehow managed to stop donald cook to whatever extent. They stopped dalvin cook but i mean they're running. Fence has improved of late. Yeah but jared davis on the covid list. Yes very true. It's a problem again. If it's looked dalvin cook is not going to do what he did. Last week. Against the if it's a more competitive game was stafford and they're chasing points. Then cousins is much more tractor. Okay so how. 'bout justin jefferson. Because i think everybody's gonna start out the only other thing. I want to say this about adam feeling. By the way he has seven touchdown catch. He also has four games out of seven with fifty one or fewer yards three games with eighty or more yards and four games and fifty one yards. I wonder if we'd be thinking about him differently. If you didn't have the touchdowns that is what adam does though. He's he's really so i understand. He's a must start. What about justin jefferson. How confident are you in him. I think you should you him. The same way you the steelers wide receivers that. There's so much upside. It is a good match up. But if they don't throw it's it's hard to say he's going to be great so he's a borderline number two number three wide receiver. I can i hope stafford plays because then we can get that huge upside of what this game could become. The the truth is that his three big games came against tennessee. We're at nine targets. Houston only five targets and then atlanta. He had eleven targets. Everything else has been pretty blah for him. And he only has the two games with more than five targets and that was tennessee in atlanta. Right but three games. Three of the four were prior to last week and it was. I don't know how many times you heard me ask the question. Adam to scott fish to anybody that we were talking to about a kid from the south playing in the cold for the first time and it was a miserable experience last week last fourteen. Pass time that's right. Forget though running. White-hot jefferson's a little risky but probably still qualifying as the top twenty four receiver. Okay so the andrea swift or justin jefferson swift plays. I'll take swift barely. Okay so the dsp's we're gonna take a quick break here. We'll talk about herb smith outside the top twenty but worth keeping an eye am. If you're just going to still stash gonna throw away last week and fourteen pass attempts and before that two straight games with five catches so we're gonna take a quick break here when we come back. We're talking about the game that everybody is looking forward to. That's up next on fantasy football. I know exactly what all right. We'll find out. No spoilers support for this podcast count from cdw in dell technologies. Bet cdw g we get migrating agency to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging decaf. Don't want to do it. Slowdown frowned cdw wgn. Experts can help simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. is it done yet. Why isn't it done yet. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash dell emc. People are buzzing about the giants at washington. Shocker here we go. Put that one on sunday night to keep consistent with all these great primetime games in the last two weeks ago. Yeah yeah you know what guarantee. This game is very competitive. Last time it came down to a two point. Conversion failed two point conversion by washington which was a stupid call by ron rivera. By the way you should not have gone to their riverboat is trying to win the game. Winning forget it now. A stupid call. They said it just gonna win. If you lose you get a better draft. That's true he was tanking than it was a great decision. I assume are not starting quarterbacks in this game although daniel jones has two games in a row i think about twenty fantasy points running a lot but yeah okay forget them. How about how the giants wide receivers and the washington running backs to me are the really interesting ones. I'm sure to everybody and then the tight ends so let's talk. Will you want to start with dave giants wide receivers or washington running backs wide receivers. Okay why do. I feel like darius slayton game. I don't know that. It's justified. And then sterling shepard in three healthy games. He has six six and eight catches so he's pretty much a pr solid floor. The floor is not lava. Talk to me about the giants wide receivers. What are you doing. I i like sheppard is a safe plane. Pp are not as safe and non obvious reasons. slayton i think the key to washington's defense and the reason why they've only allowed three touchdowns to white outs all year is 'cause they play defense so they don't wanna give up the big play on the play were slate and scored obviously was deep touchdown throw they played man coverage and he he just blew past fabian. Moreau so my guess is that washington will say let's be really careful and judicious about how often we play man and let's make sure we've got a solution for slayton on those plays i e. They will play a lot of zone that helps shepherd that hurts slayton because of their planes on there. Okay with shepherd catching a pass five yards away. From the line of scrimmage and then tackling him do you like sheppard more. I do okay. I have a hard time saying that in non pr but npr in half p p are obvious shepherd over slayton. Are they number two number three shepherd in full. Pbr makes the cut as a top twenty. Four think he's stopped twenty four but like low and right on that fence with the flex. Okay and would you start Would you start a giants running back over a giants wide receiver. Guys know the washington a really run. If it's anything is they also give up the third fewest points wide receivers but another reason why they do. In addition to the coverage that day was talking about they see the fewest wide receiver targets per game in the nfl. They don't have landon collins now either. This has been one of those things where it's like. The carolina defensive backs like how are they doing so well. Well i can tell you the football team that teams. Don't throw on them yet. They have a good run events. It's just weird i. I'm not quite sure how they're doing it to finish the giants here. Evan ingram evan. Ingram logan thomas ingram okay are they. They're close right. Yes yes yeah okay. i think. The giants had a chance to get away from ebony ingram last week instead. They gave him ten targets and we wouldn golden tate scenarios. Certainly interesting for all these guys. Because not that he's had a lot of targets. But you know playing time centrally squeaky greg. We wouldn't be later. He wanted to be just going to squash him. Yeah and it's not good. We're not going to be interested in a giants running back. I assume right low end low interest. No i'm not optimistic about any of them. Even getting the like fifteen touches in the game so going onto the washington. Running back's yet. Look at six games in a row. A running back does not have a carry of more than fourteen yards against the giants. Antonio gibson had a pretty bad game ninth nervous. yeah yeah. Nine carries thirty yards four catches twenty five years. That's the saving grace with him. He's been good catching the ball. People are off mckissic because he did nothing against the cowboys. Well i warned you about that. The cowboys actually the football team washington in dallas or the two terms of yards per game receiving yards per game to running backs. But before that was that different you can run on cowboy running martin but you can throw on the cowboys and people are really throwing that much on washington the four that though mckissic at four three straight games with six catches or more and forty or more receiving yards so jamie gibson or mckissic pr. I think he's still got to start gibson based on what is upside is because if both guys get similar touches gibson should be. They're not similar. Touches gives them to get more touch it. So if they got similar catches gibson would be better. The problem is and this was the game at. Because i remember having this conversation in. I don't wanna speak for for dave but this is why. I think you're excited about going into the cowboys. Game was because because it was coming off this game where he played more than gibson against the giants and he had a better game statistically because of what he did casual and so it was is he becoming the more of the primary running back in terms of playing time but the dallas game was more catered to what gives us. This game is more catered to what mckissic does. And so you know if they're down which i don't know if that's the case because john's office doesn't always put up a lot of points then it's probably not gonna be a great game for mckissic. But when they were coming back in the game against the giants he was playing more and being and he was more efficient more effective. So i think he's a good flex. Npr for those people. Who dropped him. I would go pick him up and potentially using this week. So is he going to get you. Know north of thirty yards on the ground. Probably not but can you get you six forty probably up a decent floor. There for for mckissic is ten pr points they. Ron rivera talked glowingly about gibson since cowboys game about how he's getting better on inside runs and and how do they go away from him as their primary running back after what he did against dallas not to say that mckissic can't have a role but the other thing that that rivera said is that they need to get gibson going in the passing game too so i wonder if they start to. Maybe it's going to be a little defined as mckissic is going to be that third down guy but they could both still get three to five catches in the game and And take advantage of the giants defense when when throwing them because they are good against the run but they're not as good when throwing a against receivers running backs. They're not as good against receipt running backs when their receivers. I finally got it out. Okay so sony zico elliott or antonio gibson still the week ahead as of now. But i could see myself changing to gibson clyde edwards dealer gibson every justin jefferson or antonio gibson gibson. He told me stafford playing closer but also tickets. How jd mckissic or darius slayton pbr. Slayton a non. I'm going to chase the upside with slain. Just in case he gets one of those big blaming. The last two games with shepherd on the field has not been close to the same guy. He's had much tougher coverage. Nobody was so close against tampa bay. He got a huge game against. Yeah okay let's move on then. Logan thomas is turmeric lawrence. Stop thirteen both format stardom. Logan thomas is low for heath but david jamie twelfth and thirteenth. He's got four targets in four straight games. You'd like to see more targets. But he did catch downer bust. Yeah he caught a touchdown against the giants and both the teaser were using washington better than the giants with both our top. Twelve pittsburgh dallas. I already gave us out of the game is basically you know we keep talking about it now. A lot of passing yards against dallas. But they're so bad that they still they give up the fifth most yards per catch the third most fantasy points to opposing wide receivers while seeing the eighth few wide receiver targets per game. So just you don't have to get a lot of targets to be good against dallas. Ben roethlisberger is between twelve and fifteen in the rankings. We did this earlier. But we'll do it again. Drew walker ben roethlisberger. Then matt ryan ben roethlisberger ryan jamie benn but really plays right. Okay star james conner. He is going to have four hundred yards and we know we talked about. We talked about the wide receivers a little bit earlier today. in the show during the during the star meter segment but How about would you start antonio gibson over your favorite steelers wide receiver in non yes in full p p r. I would definitely take you to head of him. Would you start devante. Devante freeman starts. Would you start devante. Freeman or murray cooper cooper. I resigned from my fantasy league for one week. We take the chance with cooper talking about a guy who jamie predicted about fifteen touches for. Devante freeman here. So let's not completely poupette would you start jakobi meyers or amari cooper. Dave has them back to back by the way. But jamie jakobi meyers cooper. No still cooper more upset than all right now. I can't trust. Lamb cancers gallup stu hart you look we get this other wildcard. You know. we didn't know what the new would do. And now we don't know what cooper will do if he's the guy so it could be gilbert and we don't. We don't even know which guy it'll be so could be good could be terrible. Most likely terrible lamb snaps have been going down lately too so that's not a good trend. What about what about eric. Ebron how does he compare to logan. Thomas and ingram. Yes better thirteen targets. Last two games touchdown one of them. He's been more involved in you know again. It's the only problem with the steelers is how many times have been good throw because in the two of the last three games when they've been just beating opponents badly He's been thirty two pastimes less. So you have all these guys that need to get some semblance of targets. But i think ebron based on his position you take a chance on him. Do we need to say anything else. About ezekiel elliot. How about zeke. Or i'm going to go with some wide receivers. They may have picked up off waivers at some point this year. Zeke or justin jefferson. still zeke. zeke has now. i think it will stay that way. Robby anderson anderson robbie and that's already. That's how avid already from your for zeke. Kobe's the ep. Are i think i can make the case. For beasley over zeke. Still i guess i to me. I just feel like zeke. Meese catch the ball and maybe he will. That's such a huge thing. I don't think any of us really see him having a ton of success running. So how many passes you're gonna catch is been nonexistent. The last two games but with dak machine. He's had one catch three of his past four games. It's weird it's weird. How uncreative the cowboys are like. Oh no you can't truck the kitchen sink last week. I guess i guess. Dalton schultz is a sit. He is outside the top fifteen and the steelers. Ds would let's say you had a six point per passing touchdown league. No four points per passing touchdown league and like normal defensive scoring which you start the steelers. Dst or drew lock in a mega crazy superplex spot. Yeah i think i'd go with the steelers. Dsp if you start a quarterback at a superplex spot you should be able to start any position in a superplex spot right. I mean quarterback. All right i'll get heath on the phone. I'll let them know this. He's take and he can add it to thread well. Speaking of drew lock denver is at atlanta and drew. Lock is just outside the top fifteen sixteen seventeen in the rankings. Every team except for carolina has thrown for three hundred and thirteen or more yards against atlanta every quarterback except the last two has scored twenty four more fantasy points. Last would be stafford and bridgewater stafford at a really good game. He just didn't get that second touchdown so if you are desperate you start. Drew lock. drew brees over drew. Lock right yes. Yeah but suppose finish close. Jamie has breeze lock foles. Bridgewater his rankings. Dave has dave. I clicked button on the rankings page and lost your rankings dave as lock bridgewater bridgewater la cousins all after breeze breeze cam bridgewater lock cousins. The locker cam. You guys both have cam ahead of lock. That would have been a good one okay. I'll take him. I didn't games. We know you know we're assuming that fills he's gonna play was limited in practice. So what are we doing with the denver running backs try to avoid them if you start wanted non pr. It's lindsey if you star wanted full pr. It's it's gordon. I was still start gordon. Both because he's still playing more. Last week was the first time that they played a full game together. all season and it was still fifty five percent. Forty five percent Plane time in favor of gordon lindsay should get more work. It goes without saying but the fact that he heard again. I know he's practicing but still like each can't stay healthy. It's unfortunate. i mean his yards per carry the last three games. He's played has been fantastic. He should be there leading running down guy but until we see you guys stick with board. And by the way. The falcons run. Defense since i got fired has been really really good. They've only allowed one touchdown. They've held opposing running backs to less than eighty total yards in those three games. Yes pretty good. They are not good against running backs in the passing game but even that has gotten better. Mike davis one catch for eleven yards the andre swift four catches for twenty one yards alexander. Madison one catch for four yards. So they've got they've done better there over the last three games denver wide receivers. This is the falcons they give up the most fantasy points now. Third most fantasy points to wide receivers in six out of eight games. They've given up eighty yards or touchdown or both to multiple wide receivers in six out of eight games. So you guys said. I think you said you like patrick better than judy. Both play no. I like judy. But how do they compare to the steelers guys behind. Still take the upside and steelers guys against the cowboys. Oh i could be talked into patrick ahead of diontae johnson for sure you so interesting that you're off diontae johnson having he had. He did have double digit targets in three of his four healthy game. i know i know but he kept. He keeps getting beat up. And i think if there was ever a game where james talked about. This were the steelers. Won't have to throw a ton this would be it. I just don't know why. He's just like a sleeper and affleck's johnson instead of like say claypool that you're so down on claypool is not that much higher up than than johnson. But i just think claypool if he's healthy and johnson isn't quite at one hundred percent and they're all getting limited targets. We've seen cl- do well on limited targets before. Okay that's a good point and he's also they designed things for them inside the ten yard line for claypool again. It could be diontae. johnson's week. It could be week. it could be is. This is going to be until there is a clear definition of this is the guy that's going to lead them in targets. And that's the thing you hang your hat on and maybe it is the auntie johnson. But since johnson's been banged up he just hasn't been the same consistent guy so in game they're probably not going to throw much like dave said the big play potential right now favors chase claypool. So i'll my chances with claypool over the other two. But i think all three guys are still in play and i think the reason. They're better than the broncos duo is first off what noah fant is doing. I mean his sixteen targets last two weeks so he's going to be a factor here Tight end isn't easy. Position to attack the falcons against based on what they've done all season You still have alberto getting some targets last week. Not the same. But he's a red zone threat. And i think judy is trending in the right direction. That's why i'd take him over patrick. The fact that he had sent targets last week is something. I think they're going to continue to build them. Because you have hammered back to. You know patrick was doing this without fans in hamler on field. I just i go back to thinking of how lock likes going downfield and we saw that in the fourth quarter last week that gunslinger mentality and patrick has been the best outside receiver for denver. Really since coralline son got hurt but he's had a lot of that drew lock he didn't but i it's just it's it's combining it's the vendee ram. I've got drew lock style of play and his willingness to take a chance with the football and tim patrick being the best downfield threat that the broncos can say they have right now. Judy is good. And you're right. He's turning in the right direction. I love that. He had ten targets last week. He's going to break out real soon. And maybe maybe this is the weak form the matchup sprite for it. And we'll see if patrick ends up not even playing. Then i'd be way more interested in judy. Yeah i utilize still would favor patrick judas one touchdown catch this year. It was a total fluke against the jets and he's caught forty nine percent of his targets including forty percent right. That's the thing we keep saying. Ten targets hit four catches. Not the best game. I don't know how many of those targets were uncatchable. That's the other thing does not a good passing offense. Oh this isn't a must star. Jerry jeudy conversation. This is who's the best broncos wide receiver right now meets judy. And so if you're looking at a number three receiver that you wanna take a chance on. This is the time to do so. I know a fan or hayden. Hearst fit. I think i retire. Better matchup targets in his favor logo fan starting to. Do you wanna talk about getting somebody now before you miss out. This is the guy to do it. Okay and then. Todd gurley starts at todd. Gurley this dog early if he does. You're screwed right right right. But what does he do pretty much every single week. Scores girl ears as on away. From matt ryan takes touchdown away from julio jones. Earlier zeke girlie girlie by default okay and that's it hidden. Hers is a top twelve tight end. He's been pretty consistent six or more targets in forbes last five games fifty one or more yards and four of his last five games. Finally miami is at arizona stat of the game jordan howard. Let's say he's your starting running back. Last year. he had seven games. He had seven games at double digit carries. He scored nine or more nine points in five of those seven games. He's not as bad as he was earlier. This year was playing almost exclusively near the goal. Line that does not help your yards per carry. He's not good. We know that. But if he gets the starting job and he gets thirteen or more Probably gonna have it. Okay game but i liked right right now. He's jordan howard. Okay so the dolphins is it just like sydell start start. Sit all colonel. Shuttle colonel semi most people can't afford us the devante parker especially in three receiver league. So he's he's still in the starting conversation but again. You have a quarterback that just through twenty two times and had little success in twenty two attempts that he had aside from the red zone. Throw to devante parker. So how many pass attempts is to have been half thirty five forty you know the more stems the more targets. The more targets the better chance. It's simple math but he's probably going to see. Patrick peterson the most of the dolphins guys. So you have tough cover. This is the type of receiver. That patrick peterson tends to do. Better against the bigger physical guys. And so i think they parkers the number three. You know it's just that you have to approach it until you see something from two to him on a more consistent basis. It's a huge risk though. Because we just we. I don't think we got many answers for to a last week other than answers. The one thing that we can say definitively is that. He's not quite at the level of justin. Herbert and joe burrow or ryan fitzpatrick twenty. Yeah okay that's fine too. And so i have a hard time finding the confidence and the reasons to start devante parker. But it's the first game into it first game. It's against the best defensive lineman in football who can be a game record as we saw and still see on a weekly basis. The cardinals don't have that type of guy especially with china jones. Not there so he's going to have more time to throw. This is going to be a more up and down game. Because i don't think the dolphins are going to slow down the cardinals offense to the level of you know this is going to be a a grinded out. Slow down the game from the miami side of things. They just lost their running back to their best player and so now the game falls onto his shoulders more so so i think parker is okay. But if there's a case to be made against him is easy to do that as opposed to make a case for him. Would you start. Melvin gordon or devante. Parker and start gordon i would to. Would you start levy on bell or devante. Parker parker parker. How about giant starting running back or parker parker parker like parker just to compare them to the receiver. So like he's better than the dallas guys. Because you just douse guys have been in what they probably will be against pittsburgh. He's behind the steelers guys because of what the potential upside is for the steelers guys going against the dallas defense so like he falls in the middle of those calibre of guys. Like i just in this game. I would start cristian kirk over to my car. I i wanna talk and everybody about the the giant Cowboys hotel my talk about the dolphins defense here because they are giving up the fewest points per game but there are twenty yards per game. So they're they're not the best defense however they're second in takeaways they get a lot of turnovers and they also have the fourth highest blitz percentage in the nfl. What they have right now is reading about. This is not my. Observations is what i was reading. Some statistics back it up. They have great coverage. I know they've byron jones and saving howard but they're also getting great play from eric. Rowe at cornerback bobby. Mccain coverage has been really good in the secondary it's allowing them to blitz more and play man to man coverage or you know so so that's what's so successful for them and i guess james riding the momentum with christian kirk got him as a number two receiver. Dave do you also agree. Christian kirk gotta start on number two receiver. Yeah okay i do. And it's also taking on a running quarterback and i think that that helps arizona's offense as well. Yeah move out of pocket you look you just you look at your golf last week in his offensive line stunk. And he wasn't really moving around and he looked like he was scared for his life. And i think. Brian floor is new. That that's how he was gonna play because he helped. Coordinate the defensive game plan to take down gerry. Goffin the super bowl so now he's got a completely different type of matchup against calorie. The secondary is going to have to spend a little more time sticking to their receivers. That's going to be tough to do. Especially in the case of kirk. Because he's the vertical threat for arizona. So i i'm not too. I'm not as worried about. The dolphins are gonna fly into arizona and shut them down. I think it's a much harder task than what we had for. The closest comparison you can make is when they played russell wilson. Because of similar style of quarterbacks you know guys that move can extend plays. Obviously russell doesn't escape the pocket to run the same way that kyle does. But wilson beat them up three sixty into yeah and cameron well against them and ran. I mean can't forget. I'm talking about the passing aspect of things can't cameras not wasn't throwing the same way. But you know josh allen against miami again early in the season but four fifteen four you know. So but russell's the most recent comparison because at that point the dolphin defence was getting all right. Last thing i just want. Jacob gives going to join me on f. T. and five gonna a bonus episode on saturday. It's props episode. He's going to give you some cool. Stats one of the stats. He's gonna give us about. How good well. The cardinals there in shock on more than any team in the nfl and the this is a bad match for the dolphins. The dolphins are really bad against the shotgun. No team has a lot of higher opponent rushing success rate out of the shock and the miami dolphins this is really about chase edmonds. He's a top eight running back in the rankings. Please stay away kenyan. Drake stay away but chase edmonds. The dolphins are. We'll get into the details with jacob on f five. This is terrible matchup. For the dolphins run defense edmonds could be absolutely enormous in this game. Start almost anyone go ahead jamie. Let's finish up last year. I mean he's he's started. We know so i. I love the setup for him because you go back to last year. He had four games with seven full touches. Only seven and three of those. He hit thirteen or more. Pr points so explosive and then this year he's had four games four games with at least eight told touches and he said twelve or more. Pbr points all them. So just minimal work long been dynamic show drake and five of seven games has eighteen or more touches and so if he gets that work what he's going to be amazing. That's it for today. Show okay cool really i. We're done for today. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you on The mail back show on make sure the fd five ensure you're watching cps hq. Dave and jamie. I'm adam a great weekend. Everybody welcome to the nothing. Personal with david samson podcast. We are part of the cbs sports podcast network. And i'm your host. david safes. It feels like just yesterday. We were hoping that all sports would come back and boom snap your finger the nba mlb over. But don't let that stop you from listening to nothing personal because we are more than just sports here. we're business we're entertainment you maven. Learn something you may even smile about laugh. You can find us five days a week. Just subscribe download apple spotify stitcher. Were you find podcast yet to us because we are no. 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