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If there's any regrets that I have is leaving the impression that I couldn't make up my mind and then a recommendation. It actually gave me a kind of deep appreciation asssociation for our yawning partisan to the Times editorial board usually endorses an establishment candidate for the Democratic nomination. It's endorsed bill. Clinton and Al Gore and John Kerry in two thousand eight the board chose Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama and in two thousand and sixteen chose Hillary again this time over Bernie Sanders This year the board has made the process more public than ever. The candid interviews were conducted on the record and published. Some of the deliberations were televised lost in the end. The board chose to different candidates a progressive Elizabeth Warren and a moderate Amy Klobuchar. That decision definitely got people talking. We're lucky that Katy Kingsbury who oversaw the process will be joining us today to talk about all of that. Katy is the Times as deputy epide- editorial page editor before she comes in. I should make clear that. Ross Michelle and I are not on the editorial board none of the OP. Ed Columnists are and we all. I feel fortunate to work at a place that celebrates debate and yes argument even among colleagues so before Katie joins US Russ and Michelle. What was your initial reaction into the joint endorsement Michelle? Well I was relieved that it wasn't Joe Biden and you know a lot of people really hated this. Online people were really angry online and and I think there was some initial misinterpretation that they were sort of saying. We'll just vote for a woman either Elizabeth Warren or Amy Klobuchar will do you know in some ways. The endorsement is kind of my own sinking which is vote for Elizabeth Warren. If you think Elizabeth Warren is to left for you vote for Amy Klobuchar Over Joe Biden so there was things in the endorsement that I thought were unfair. I thought some of the digs against Warren and also really against Bernie Sanders. Were a little unfair. But in terms of just advice to voters it was it aligned with what I think. Ross what you think I I mean I kind of hated it Since we're since we're being honest muster hopefully. I'll still have employment at the time after this conversation. My first thought was I. Guess Yeah I guess. To pick up from Michelle's she was relieved. They didn't pick Biden. Ice Looked at it and said okay. This means Biden is going to win And and it reminded me in a way of part of part of how the Republican primary process played out in two thousand sixteen. was that most of the elite factions within the Republican Party hated Donald Trump or disliked donald trump or at the very least were uncomfortable with Donald trump but they could never unite it and figure out which single candidate should you know be rallying point to actually beat Donald Trump and Joe Biden isn't Donald Trump but he's similar to trump in the only people who seem to like him are voters and don't you think Bernie Sanders don't you think you could say the same Bernie Sanders I mean. I think I I can do a riff on how this helps sanders too. I think that there's a world where a sort of anti Biden vote coalesce around Elizabeth Warren. There's there's a world where it somewhat more improbably coalesce around Amy Klobuchar but having the time aditorial board sort of a literal manifestation. The station of elite liberalism on offense intended guys Unable to actually recommend coalescing around a single figure just seemed like a sort of Nice distillation of how Biden's path to the nomination is going to work What did you think David? I'm not positive about this but I'm getting more secure or in the notion that I think Warren would make the best present but I'm not yet persuaded. She would make the best nominee because I really do think there's a chance she's less electable than some of the other candidates and I think has the best electability case and so I completely understand the desire to lift them. Both up But I also agree. It felt anti-climactic tactic to not help voters choose between these two and and let's be clear. Many voters aren't in a lane. They are trying to decide between club. CHARN Warren or between Bernie and Biden and so in any event. I'm really looking forward to having Kadian. So we can get her involved in this conversation So Katie Kingsbury. Welcome to the argument. Thanks for having me so. Let's start with the obvious question which is walk. Walk US through why you decided to go with two candidates. So it's it's fascinating. The reaction to this news has been a really interesting staying window into how voters as well as the general public are feeling about this race. It's clear that people are very frustrated. And you know what I went into this knowing and people were going to be really frustrated that we didn't choose one. I think people really need that sense of path. Forward of clarity of many of the things things that roster said in terms of unifying behind one candidate but increasingly after having spent hours and hours in the the boardroom interviewing each of these candidates it became clear to us that no matter what any of these candidates would be among among the most progressive presidents that the United States has ever had it how they would actually get that done where the differences really became came the most crystallized and that for us became a question of Elizabeth Warren who has the clearest diagnosis like no sense of what ails America today. And who has such a sense of urgency in her message it really matches the moment versus. Amy Klobuchar are who has this. Bipartisan track record of doing a lot of legislation with her Republicans across the aisle. And whose message is much more one of unity. And when one of the things that I really wanted to do was to reflect the vote of our board and this was the outcome. That relieve the most reflected the board's vote. Let me ask you one thing about that in particular because some of the discussion has has suggested that the Times was trying to send Sunday single message by endorsing too. But that's not what I saw when I watched the episode of the weekly. That had your deliberation to me. This was a divided board and I really really saw a what felt like a generational divide in which younger members of the board really wanted a proud progressive particularly warn and older older members of the board. I don't know what's the cutoff around. Forty forty five It's not perfect but older members of the board were really uncomfortable with that Disagreed with it on on the substance worried it was less electable and were much more comfortable with Buddha Jig or biden or ultimately a clip chart. Do you think that's fair. I think that's probably an over-simplification and I'm kind of curious where you think I fall on that divide Melissa just curious how old you think I am but I'm definitely not GonNa GonNa Guess Your Age But I will say I thought you were clearly on the more moderate side of that. Divide based on your questions and and maybe that's wrong. Maybe that's just what we saw on television but but to me you were sort of the leader of the of the moderate group. That's fascinating I am probably amongst the more moderate members of the board I am Generally generally just personally more conservative I was raised by Republicans And I com- from the Midwest where in general some the messages have not necessarily been resonating That's way over simplification But yes I am. I'm probably amongst the only members members of the board who go to church regularly and one of the questions that I ask. Almost every candidate was how they placed themselves in terms terms of Being where spirituality comes into their leadership style and how they talk about that because I do know that I was in Iowa in November and I remember one of the things I heard from. A lot of voters was a lot of disappointment in the lack of discussion of faith and spirituality among some of the Democratic candidates I also I guess because 'cause I'm you know raise. I was raised by two people from about ground state. I I really worry that. Some of the ways that I I feel this more with Warren then sanders but some of the ways that they are. You're talking a to voters and around. Their ideas might be off putting you know I think that one of the things that came up over and over again in both of our conversations with the candidates but also our deliberations with this question of electability. The reality is that twenty sixteen has taught us that trying trying to figure out who is going to be the most electable candidate versus. Donald Trump in November is probably a fool's errand so we started looking closer closer at the policy prescriptions. We started talking a little bit more about the actual messages of the candidates. And what we realized is that the Party needs to have that conversation conversation amongst itself. It's really not the role of data to`real board to determine the future of the Democratic Party and that the only vehicle that we really really have is people going out and voting to get a sense of what the Democratic voters want the future of the party to look like The Times got a certain amount of twitter grief before this guy before the endorsement was was announced for sort of doing doing some. You know some reality TV show sort of fireworks around around the endorsement and so on but generally I thought that whatever was lost in losing a certain the amount of behind closed doors. Honesty from politicians was more than gained back from the advantages of putting all of these men and women on the record in front of a group of smart questioners Over over an extended period of time I thought the whole thing went really well for the times and for readers and it it just makes makes it more baffling to me that at the end of the day the message was well. There's a choice between progressive path in a moderate path. And we'RE NOT GONNA make it for you. I mean it just it. It seems to me that that's the essence of what if there's any purpose to an editorial decision that's that's the purpose to tell readers voters this is what we think you should do. This is how the electability and Policy Bundle works together better with Kloba Char than Warren Governor Better with Warren Than Klobuchar. But I'm I'm sort of mystified. I think that those of US people external to the times and people internal like ourselves are just left with the impression that you know you guys deadlocked and the divisions in the party were sort of manifest within the times itself and so the deadlock gave us a tie basically and and I thought I have such a different. I take that point. I have such a different way of thinking about what the purpose of an endorsement is. The man that yeah. I mean for me. The endorsement is really supposed to be an exercise in informing readers better about the candidates especially on the state and local level but also in terms of the presidential pick and I I guess I have never thought of it as something that we are supposed to go and tap pinned back a candidate and you know pull put put our full weight behind them. I've I really wanted to inform readers. Give them a better sense offensive. How we measure these candidates after we spent able to spend a lot of time with them and this really felt to to me the most journalistic and intellectually honest result As well as the endorsement that is going to be the most useful for a wider range of voters I and I felt I feel really torn. I agree Ross. With this perception that people think the board was torn because the board was torn. And if there's any regret that I have is leaving the impression impression that I couldn't make up my mind In some ways kind of the transparency lessons endorsements potency because because it no longer has the voice of God Feeling to it right. You sort of see how the sausage is made but it does increase their utility you because you can sort of see all of these candidates being grilled by the same people right. I think Katie was right and talking about it. As a journalistic analyst exercise else agree with Katie that endorsements are more important for local races. You know I end up paying a ton of attention to them when it comes to the things like voting for judges in New York I'm going to be less swayed by the Times decision at the presidential level. But you know there's a lot of people trying to make their minds and just as often I think when we write an op Ed. It's less distortive. Try to convince people than to you. Lay out a way of thinking about something. I think. Endorsements can be very useful in just sort of helping to clarify people's thinking about the different candidates. Ross I I feel like your criticisms raised some larger interesting questions which is should newspapers even be in the business of endorsing candidates I'm sure they do it differently. From the way they did in the past. Is that right well. I think there's an open question about the viability and purpose of an editorial page in the age of innumerable takes and personalized journalism and the decline of institutional power and so on And I think what what my my sense of what we've tried to do is to reduce the number of editorials that we right with the idea being that when the times weighs in on something it should mean in more than just you know for editorials a day on sixteen different subjects and I think that's a reasonable approach and again. It's why I'm sort of baffled by this outcome. Because if that's the goal to reduce the number of reduced the number of editorials we do to try and make each editorial more meaningful and more sort of a more important statement of where the time stands than you know. This is an important moment. We did a big build up. People are going into the polls in Iowa very shortly and You know we didn't tell them who to vote for. And I think we should have. Okay we're going to devote today's entire show go to this conversation but let's take a quick break now and we'll be right back to talk about Joe Biden Bernie Sanders and more it is. It's the housing crisis. No one is talking about. Millions of hardworking families are struggling to find homes in their own communities. Take First Responder Officer Ramal Johnson. He and his family searched for years in the pricey Washington. DC area with no luck then last February romolo applied hi to Wells Fargo's neighborhood lift program which offers down payment assistance grants soon. He and his family found a place to call their own. Learn more about wells. Fargo's new strategic efforts to help what families find affordable homes visit wellsfargo dot com slash impact. Welcome back to our conversation with Katie Kingsbury. Deputy editorial page editor here at the Times. This is inside baseball. But I'm still curious to hear your thoughts about it. which is did you ever consider? Maybe doing two editorials aditorial in which say you would write. The full throated endorsement of Klobuchar and a more progressive member would write a full throated endorsement of Warren. It's interesting that in the end people feel like it was written more in favor of closure then Elizabeth Warren. I'm because I actually feel pretty strongly that they both would be excellent presidents. You you know if I had to go into a ballot box today I had to choose between closure and Warren I probably I probably would vote for Elizabeth Warren for one. She she absolutely. Is this brilliant architect tech of regulation. She understands how to use the regulatory system in ways that are pretty astounding. Whoever the next president is if there's Mitch McConnell is still in the Senate than you are going to have to use regulation to get things done? Can I ask a question about Joe Biden. I mean it seemed to me one of the big takeaways. As was that when everybody voted he didn't even make the top four. Yeah and I'm curious. I mean I was. I think that reflects may own alarm about about what a biden candidacy would look like but at the same time there was a moment after his interview where everybody said. Oh we're really worried about you. Know the Joe Biden would show up. He was much smarter than We were expecting so. Can you talk a little bit about The board's reservations about Joe Biden Annan. Right after we had The outbreak of conflict with Iran. I sat down and I wrote an entire endorsement of Joe Biden and I thinks that came from a desire on my part for the comfort of having someone who during his interviews books so fluently about foreign policy. Also who's been in the room in some of those more difficult decision making who was a vocal opponent to the worn Afghanistan ascending sending more troops there And I wrote that out a full draft I mean literally two thousand word draft I'm talking about why. Joe Biden is the best Democrat to be president and I felt so It didn't match the moment in any way by which I mean as a board that that has you know all of its values are under girded by institutions and norms. In a lot of ways I think one the things that's come through in the last three years is how we a lot of those institutions are and how they really need to be reconsidered in how our economic and political systems should at least be examined as to whether or not they need to be overhauled and that's not Joe Biden's message at all. Joe Biden's this message simply as let's go back to normal whatever normal is right like I mean there are a lot of for a lot of Americans normal wasn't working and I think that there needs to some recognition that at least for some portion of the American public the government and the economic systems. Things were failing them and I think that is why at least in part Donald trump was elected president and returning to what Biden is offering thing it just felt like tinkering around the edges when the house is on fire and we need to have a really close examination of what needs to change in this country and I didn't I didn't. It doesn't come through when you talk to the former vice president that he understands that urgency agency that he gets that people need something different Do you have any regrets about Describing Elizabeth Warren with the phrase gifted storyteller. Since I'll I'll speak for the unrepresented right wing of Americ- in this conversation and note that one of the chief critiques of Elizabeth Warren from the right and not only from the right is that Some of some crucial moments in her political career involved telling stories. That were not necessarily true. Do I think what you're alluding to is Some of the way. She presented her native American heritage at the beginning of the campaign. And that's that's actually one of the political missteps that I am talking about when I say that I'm a little have some reservations about her. Political instincts stinks in this campaign. You know just everything about that episode From the fact that she hadn't talked to the tribal leaders the fact that she decided she neither should do it at all You know and and sort of then should duggar heels in and doubled down on it. It just was so cringe-worthy the and I worry about. What would we see in general election? What if anyone's real question is who can be trump and that should give them a lot of hesitation? I mean I didn't love the way she handled that but I I would also remind us all that Ronald Reagan said something ridiculous about trees and Barack Obama talked about bitter people clinging to their guns and George Bush. Kirsten open microphone back when politicians didn't do that and in along presidential campaign I feel like everyone has is a big mess up. I guess my perception watching I mean I. I sort of assumed that Warren was going to get the boards was going to be the boards. Pick doc because my perception is that Warren is the candidate who is preferred by most people in our profession and sort of in the liberal intelligence writ large that's been my perception of journalistic coverage to and I. I think I think that Warren I think she is a gifted storyteller and there've been a bunch of incidents where her storytelling seems to run ahead of the facts. And I think neither are part out of the media nor Arrivals have really challenged her her attacker on this stuff. But I I actually think that's an area of vulnerability for Warren that's clearer clearer than it is for Sanders or Kovic are a lot of other candidates. That hasn't really been picked up in the way. Her campaign has been covered and attacked act. So you're getting at probably the biggest reason why I did not want to just outright endorse Elizabeth Warren. One of one of. which is I really worried that my perception of Elizabeth Warren should not be the guiding light? Here you know because I I am a member of the media for better or worse we are very privileged and we are part of the elite And I also feel like there. There hasn't necessarily been the critical coverage. I mean I don't WanNa that's the two. I'm putting that too strongly. Do you think that. Of course media's covering Elizabeth Warren strongly wrongly but I I don't feel like there has been as much critical Coverage of hers. I would have expected. I think it's reasonable to point to some things things and ask why there hasn't been more coverage I guess I would say though to me. On some of our policies there's been a lot of coverage in it's been really negative. I mean the number of negative stories about the wealth tax in mainstream publications about how it could reduce economic growth. And cause all these problems. That's an interesting debate. But it's been very much from the standpoint of essentially the center and The coverage of both Warren and Sanders. I think is not overly favorable on their policies. And we don't need need to go into a diagnosis of all coverage here. But I don't think it's just a matter of liberal bias. I think there's kind of a mix of liberal bias affluence bias and also centrist bias. Let's let's also I mean it's interesting because Amy Klobuchar has also not really been subject to very much Scrutiny in part because she just hasn't risen yet to the top tier here you know we we would hear a lot more about how she treats her staff which I think for a lot of young voters particularly that you need to excite seems like could deal breaker because or really for anyone has had an abusive boss Could end up being quite serious Drawback back and then I ask you. Can I interrupt Michelle The coverage of her as a boss. You think that there's a misogynistic element into that. No I mean first of all you know. It was notable enough that you know Harry Talk to her about it right. She had this kind of turnover record and I think anybody in journalism knows that the stories that have been out there are You know even though of course so far. They're just rumors they're still rumors. That would give me paused that. There's some some other kind of shoe about drop before we go. I think it's important to spend a few minutes on Bernie And I know Bernie Bro. But I do SORTA WANNA make the case for Bernie Given Katie your own standards for this endorsement and and here why he just wasn't appealing to you. which is you've Said said that part of the reason Abidin endorsement would felt so off? Is this moment calls for something. Bigger than let's go back to Barack Obama's number two it calls for someone who Who understands the level of frustration? Out there and Bernie Sanders clearly. Does he has been talking about it for decades. His message has been extremely consistent. He does draw support from surprising. Places and so given that Why isn't he potentially a really good option for the Democrats to nominate to take on Donald Donald Trump and and match the kind of passion that trump side has with with a more productive passion from the left? I think actually in terms of for us we really consider this sort of Sanders versus Warren And we can debate the merits Maritza. That if you want but I think it was his health issues. That really gave me personally pause. I totally get hip. He'll of Bernie Sanders. I actually think he is I could sit here and make the case for you. That he would be the right person to WANNA put up against Donald Trump in particular just because of his stubbornness but I I felt that especially because When we were talking to him it was in early? The December he was full of energy and actually very warm himself. You can when you're in a room with him. You can kind of understand why I there are so many people who are attracted his candidacy but for one thing. A lot of his positions are much further to the left. Then the board president's or History would Support the other is that He is he would be. I think seventy nine when he entered office and he had just had a heart attack. He hadn't released his health records when we had had this vote. And I think that was one of the major reasons that I felt like Elizabeth Warren if you wanted to progressive candidate was the right a person so you know. Obviously I agree with that assessment but the thing I thought was a little bit. Unfair to Bernie. Was this idea that he's you know incapable a bowl of compromise. That he's really you know. I think it said three years. Into the trump administration we see little advantage to exchanging one over promising divisive visit figure in Washington for another. You know he actually has compromised a lot right. He's worked with some really surprising people to get legislation passed you know John McCain McCain. He's worked with Mike Lee on foreign policy. He's been he's never really been a spoiler when it comes to passing compromise progressive legislation right like the affordable. Care Act. He he basically does sort of go along with the team most of the time. I think that's pretty affair when he talks about for instance Medicare for all he's like we're getting matter of fact care for all you know he won't even consider a public option. My guess is that when push came came to shove and he was presented with the public option. He would sign it but I guess I'm looking for A presidential candidate that that is wants to kind of go in with the idea that compromises necessary. We you know if people disagree with this decision. They should go and read the transcripts of all the candidates interviews all thirty thousand words of each of them and make up their own mind. This was really an exercise in helping people make their own choice. And Yeah and I and I WANNA say since I'm since I'm playing the role of critic critic I think all of the material is terrific and interesting and a great service to people trying to make their minds. I'm just excited for the Times. Endorsement Endorsement Special in twenty twenty four when we endorse both Bernie Sanders for reelection and Josh Holly Running Against Him I think I'm I'm ready. Well I think I. I don't know I'll be curious whether or not we're still doing. Endorsements in twenty twenty twenty four but I really think that over the next four years we're going to keep having that conversation Katie Kingsbury. Thank you so much for joining us. It Oh Now it's time for our weekly recommendation. When we make a suggestion that is meant to take your mind off of the news of the day? This week is my turn and Ross. I'm going to borrow the technique used a couple of weeks ago in which I'm going to start off with the story so I am as you both know a fan. Dan Of Boston sports teams. I lived in Boston from when I was two eight. The formative years for sports fans. I'm a Red Sox Fan. I'm a Patriots Fan. My wife grew up in Houston Houston in a family of baseball fans. In fact she grew up with season tickets to the Houston Astros and is a lifelong astros fan and as some listeners may know there is a sort of thread that runs through the three teams. That I have just mentioned the Houston Astros the Boston Red Sox and the New England patriots. which is they have? All credibly been accused recently of cheating the Astros and red SOx of using video to steal the opposing team's signs. So they know what pitch is coming in and for the Patriots. It's a long list of cheating accusations that they deflate. Footballs in videotape. Other teams and do all sorts of things and as I have been coping with these revelations in recent weeks and deciding what I think about them. I've basically come up with a kind of an excuse in defense for all of them. which is yes the Astros were cheating but so do all teams in the Astros? Were just better at it and the excuse for the Patriots is going to be cheating. No I'll get right there. I can tell you about like the crazy. Science of how the Patriots didn't really deflate the balls and it was due to weather and as I thought through all these things it actually gave me a kind of deep appreciation for our yawning partisan divide and how we basically Siklie end up believing what we want to believe and Nate Cohn. The Times's polling expert has said aversion as he says he he has a better insight into how people feel about politics when he thinks about how he feels about the Seattle seahawks his favorite football team than anything else and so I guess my recommendation is it either. Think about how your own sports loyalties or loyalties and other parts of your life can warp your views of reality and then try to apply that to politics and Ross. I'm baiting you a little bit here. But nothing has given me a better appreciation for how conservatives can think the crazy crazy things they do about climate change then my own views of the Houston Astros and the New England patriots. Well I mean I think one I think cure right and to. There's a guy named a ton. Her shoe has a new book called Politics for power and one of his arguments is that that especially for upper middle class educated people in the age of the Internet. It's become a lot easier to approach politics the way you follow all of sports like you know this sort of constant online stream of information. And he's arguing that this takes people away from the real work of politics. which is you know showing up at town meetings or at your local board meetings and organizing and doing things doing things in the real world? Maybe the age of Cable News on the Internet has made it easier to approach politics in this sort of fan spirit or hobbyists spirit instead of sort of citizens spirit. Maybe so I would flip this around Because I'm completely insensible to the appeal of sports and so I would say maybe thinking about how I think think about politics could help me understand what people feel about sports and really they feel anything about them And but the other thing I would say is that you know. I wrote a column once kind of trying to imagine how I would react to a Fictional left-wing version of trump. I felt like was steamrolling. All of my enemies And you know the temptation that would be there to sort of swallow your unease and how difficult it might be to break with all of your ideological allies At the same time I do think that the fundamental difference between Liberals and Conservatives is that David you are kind of having this Self critical at a coal conversation with yourself about sort of how you rationalize things away. That shouldn't be rationalized away. And you know the very fact that you sort of recognize your own partisanship as something to try to intellectually transcend and Is I think something that is much more common on one side of the political divide than the other. I think we've gotten away from the escaped from politics takes aspect of the recommendations. You're totally wrong. Michelle and not side any evidence to David Wednesday recommendation. My recommendation Asian is stop being so hard on the New England Patriots and Houston Astros. That's our show this week. Thank you so much for listening if you have thoughts or ideas. Leave us a voicemail voicemail at three four seven nine one five four three two four you can also emails at argument at NY TIMES DOT Com. And if you he likes you hear please leave us a rating or review apple podcasts. If you WANNA listen to the longer interviews that the board did each candidate subscribe to the choice. podcast broadcast this week. Show is produced by Mattie Foley for Transmitter Media and edited by Sarah Knicks. Our executive producer is Greg. We had help from Tyson John Evans phoebe Ian Percent Philbrick and Francis Ying of the Kaiser Family Foundation our theme was composed by Alison Tweeden. We'll we'll see you back here next week. I I agree with you. Katie and for the record. I assume that you are at the same age as I am. which is a very young looking twenty-seven exactly?
What Economy Are You Voting For?
"This is planet money from NPR. BLOWN WELCOME TO PLANET MONEY I'm Garcia normally one of the host of the indicator podcast. But today I am invading your planet money podcast feed to talk about what else the election yes. In case you've been living on a space colony somewhere under a rock whatever next week is election day in America Donald. Trump the president versus the former Vice President Joe Biden what are their economic policy agendas? Nobody knows wait? That's not the end of the sense. Nobody knows better than Danielle Kurtz Laban of the NPR politics team reporter Danielle how are you welcome back I have so excited to be talking to you Cardiff. Yes. Not Hafiz excited as I am to have you back on the show sounds like it. Then you know you and I are going to be doing something special. Today, we are going to be going through the economic policy proposals of both former vice. President Joe Biden and Donald Trump are you ready? Yes. Are you ready for it all to be over? A thousand percent. Okay. After a quick break Danielle. Kurt Slaven the MPR politics team takes us through Joe Biden's economic. Policy Agenda. This message comes from NPR sponsor spotify presenting dare to lead a new podcast from Brunei. Brown that builds on the research from her number. One bestselling book. Every Monday here conversations with change catalysts and culture shifter's people who were innovating to create a better world within their workplaces, homes and communities drawing on years of Research Burnett unpack what it means to show up and step up with courage and vulnerability dare to lead is available only on spotify download the spotify APP for free to listen. In this election, most of the country already has their mind made up whether president trump or Joe Biden wins this November will be decided by a small group of undecided voters find out what could get them off the fence every day on the MPR politics podcasts. Three parts of Joe Biden's economic policy agenda with Daniel. Kurtz had been reporter on NPR Politics Team Danielle. Here's where I want to start. US had something interesting to me recently, which is for both of these candidates pandemic policy ease economic policy. So let's make the first thing we discuss what is Joe Biden's pandemic policy as it relates to his economic policy. Sure. So Joe Biden is very much focused on containing the corona virus. Yes. He wants badly as any of us do for there to be a vaccine and pharmaceutical companies to stay at work on that but he also is saying look until then make sure that we have the virus as reigned in as possible, and here's a line actually from his website. That really struck me says, Biden believes we must spend whatever it takes without delay to meet public health needs and deal with the mounting economic consequences i. mean he's really saying one can't happen before the other you can't have the economy bounced back without corona virus at least to some degree really hemmed in. So to do that, he's encouraging a lot of. Things like mask wearing that sort of thing more testing. But one other thing he has said is that the CDC Centers for Disease Control needs to come out with clear guidance for states and localities on. Okay. Here's what you should be opening and when based on how Corona virus looks in your area. So of Corona virus is really bad maybe you shouldn't. Have Schools Open right now indefinitely, not restaurants or concerts or whatever. But if things are looking better, maybe you can open schools. But what he's saying is this is not necessarily an all or nothing thing but we need clear guidance from scientists on exactly what to down in one. So it's fair to describe this as a somewhat detailed approach as opposed to. Thinking of it in binary terms like everything locked down or everything stays open, it's an attempt to find out. Okay. What are the details that matter and then let's apply those on a situation by situation basis right I mean the way he makes it sound as nuance, but also to some degree simple or at least clear like, yes, there might be gracious between. States, but we at least want to give states some sort of guidance on exactly what they could or should be doing in one. Let's go on to the second part of his economic policy agenda that we're talking about here, and this has to do with Joe Biden's proposed spending programs, which are a lot higher than say what Donald Trump is proposed. So why? Don't we get into that what? What is Joe Biden proposing spending money on? All right. So the umbrella that he has put all of these policies under he is calling build back better. Well, I've heard better alliterative strokes of genius but fine we'll stick with that build back better and what's in that this isn't about marketing card if this is about economics so. The first is manufacturing making sure that there are more manufacturing jobs and he's clear on this. He wants them to be unionized manufacturing jobs. And also to make sure that there are supply chains here in the US to make sure people can get the goods they want, which is something that we have seen laid bare a bit by Covid number two green infrastructure. So yes, he wants to build roads and bridges the way that we think of infrastructure pretty traditionally, but he also wants to make sure that lower pollution methods of transportation for example, are encouraged like light rail's in cities, electric car production, that sort of thing. Three racial equity. Close some of the really gaping economic gaps that we have between races and ethnicities in the country and I know you guys have reported on this on your show the very big for example, unemployment gaps between black Americans and white Americans also Hispanic and Asian Americans there are some huge gaps there likewise the big wealth gaps and finally caregiving he wants to make sure that people are able to get quality and affordable care for their kids and also for their older relatives when they need it. Yeah that. One's interesting Tesla Memorial. The approach to cure giving that Joe Biden is pursuing here sir, and this is really a of course important right now because Kovic has shown us as we're all staying home and his kids are not at school that caregiving is a really important for people to be able to do their jobs and participate in the economy, and in fact, we've seen people falling out of the workforce because they didn't have access to childcare and elderly care. Yes. Most definitely. So what Biden is proposing? Is Pretty ambitious I mean what he wants to do is universal pre-k available to all kids. He wants there to be higher pay for childcare providers. He wants them to be able to unionize collectively bargain and he wants to grow the number the supply of childcare establishments around the country to make sure people can get that childcare aside from that in terms of spending and making it more affordable. He wants to make sure there are refundable tax credits to low and middle class families to help them. Pay For childcare. So that's a lot of stuff and child care. I know you know it's a complicated thing to make sure everybody can get it to make sure there's enough that it's high quality that it's affordable. So it's a tough needle to thread, but this is his attempt at doing that. Okay and let's get to the third part of the agenda, which is sort of the flip side of the spending, which is where are the tax revenues to pay for some of this spending gonNA actually come from. People in corporations moon that's it. We're done next on you. Okay. So it's not gonNA come from middle income or lower income folkston is what Biden missing right so what he wants to do is raise taxes for households with incomes above four, hundred, thousand dollars a year limit their deductions, and also he wants to increase the top corporate income tax rate from twenty one percent where it is now to twenty eight percents. Now, president trump, you'll remember lowered these. Taxes with the tax cuts and jobs act that big tax bill that Republicans passed in twenty seventeen. So Joe Biden is saying look I wanNA roll a lot of that back I want to change things back now. So in terms of those income tax changes. Yeah. That would overwhelmingly, of course, the highest income people. There is some question about what the corporate tax plan would do I mean how much that would be knocked on if at all to. People at the lower end of the income spectrum, it's possible that it would be to some degree but again, you compare it to those income tax changes in it's nowhere near what a change those would be essentially looking at the last four years in saying I'm undoing some of this and I'm putting in place the agenda I prefer instead of the one that president trump has preferred, right? Yes. Now listen we're laying out all of these economic plans here's. What Joe Biden wants to do would do in his perfect world has theoretical I get everything I want world. But of course, he won't get everything he wants he can't. Okay. But what's your priority in violence cases are going to be green jobs? Is it going to be this tax plan is going to be childcare what does he do? I decide to spend all of his power on right you got to prioritize because you're not going to get everything you. You want, right? Yeah. But in speaking with you Danielle about the candidates policy proposals, I am getting everything I want. After a quick break president trump's economic policy agenda I look forward to it. Yeah. Excellent. On the next episode of louder than a riot how law meant to control the mob changed the mix tape game forever Gangsta grills is the biggest thing. Arguably ever tapes history don't tell me that what we're doing is wrong listen now to within riot podcast from NPR. Music. Okay Daniel Kurtzer. They've been NPR politics reporter. We need to start again with pandemic policy because we've covered Joe Biden's pandemic policy and you made the point that pandemic policy is economic policy. So what about President Donald Trump? What is his proposed pandemic policy going into a second term right? So about how Joe Biden is very much focused on containing the virus Donald Trump on the other hand is very much focused on vaccines and treatments for the virus. So he has said that he wants to begin distribution of cove in nineteen vaccine by the end of this year and a number he has put out there is to have three hundred million doses available by January twenty twenty one. Now that is a lofty goal and. It is very dependent on weather pharmaceutical companies. Scientists are able to come up with test and approve of vaccine and then produce it on that scale hundreds of millions of doses. So this is the thing he wants, but it is not entirely under his power and yeah, he's been kind of de emphasizing the role of the federal government when it comes to containing. The virus right leaving it more to state governments. Donald Trump has been focused on states no best governors and state legislatures know best what they should be doing to control the virus in their states. I'm in Washington I. I don't know what you need in Nebraska. So the Nebraska Governor, for example, hypothetically should be the person to be calling some of these shots. So he has been very much attacking Joe Biden's and some other Democrats. Willingness. To say look some places, some businesses some schools might have to close down to contain the virus. Donald Trump has taken a very. You've got to live your lives. We have to have the economy open sort of approach that's the rhetoric he's been using. Okay. Let's go on to the second part of the president trump economic agenda, which is about jobs creation as a big policy goal especially in the next year what's going on there right. So he has set a very ambitious goal of ten million jobs in ten months. So you can imagine ten straight jobs days of a million jobs, a piece or something that averages out to that was great. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's do it. And by the way, we are down by roughly ten million jobs from where we were pre pandemic. So what he's saying is in ten months, get back to normal but the question is how this is a lovely idea but it's not entirely clear how we would get there. Now one thing he has said he wants to offer tax credits to manufacturing companies that bring jobs back from China, but that would not get us anywhere near ten million now in addition I reached. Out To the White House to ask, okay, what else is on the docket and a spokesman got back to me and he largely pointed to past policies saying for example, lower taxes, deregulation trade policies, and the relief packages already passed laid good groundwork for future growth to happen. So in other words before the pandemic, the economy was going great and I did that. So I think I can just get back there. Again is a line of logic that he is often using now. There are a lot of flaws to that logic. A lot of questions that raises for example, should the president get full credit for that I mean Arguably no long debate. But yes, he has a very big lofty goal here but not a clear map to get to that goal. Yeah. I, WanNa point out something kind of interesting here though because the president and his administration, his campaign talked a lot about lower taxes tax credits tax policy but he did sign into law the multi trillion dollar cares act. He has been negotiating with Democrats in the House of Representatives over a multi trillion dollar stimulus package and it's actually The Republicans in the Senate who have said that they don't want to spend that much more money but the president himself has said that he would be willing to do a big deal. He would be willing to spend money. Yes. That's true and when you look at the different numbers put out there between Senate Republicans the White House and House Democrats there is a lot of daylight and even then even if it were just the White House in house. Democrats there are also some gaps there in terms of what House Democrats want and what the White House doesn't want. But yeah, you throw in all three of those parties and they haven't been able to reach a deal and you and I both know American people are very much hurting right now high unemployment people still on unemployment and needing money to buy the basics. Let's go to the third and final part of the economic agenda that we're GONNA discuss. Here, which is trade wars. Trade wars have been a big dominant part of president trump's rhetoric and of his actual agenda throughout his first term I suspect we would be seeing more of the same in the second term. Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean trump has said that he plans on continuing to use tariffs specifically against China in his second term as he has this term and so the question is what exactly would that do and what would induce? We did sign that trade deal with China in February the phase one trade deal thus far from the numbers we have China is not on track to meet the commitments it made to buying US goods in areas like agriculture for example, this was deal that happened after both China and the US is the tariffs on each other, and then in exchange for lowering some US tariffs China agreed to buy some US products but so far it's not on pace to actually by as much those products as they said, it was going to yeah on top of all of this, there are complicating factors. One is that trump has very much been demonizing China when it comes to corona virus he. Keeps. Calling it the China virus and things to the effect of China needs to pay for its role in Corona virus spreading all over the world. So you can imagine how that might make trade talks in the future. Much tougher is need I would imagine exactly that I do want to add one more point here on the topic of China and it's that there has been broad agreement bipartisan agreement for a while that Yes, China has been engaging in unfair trade practices in all sorts of ways. So trump may have the diagnosis right that yeah we need to do something about China's trade practices but the question is whether he has the solution the cure right here in terms of tariffs. All right. Well, I'll tell you what it been. So great to have you on the show. Thank you so much for doing this. Yes. Thank you. Liked this episode please come join us over at the show I co host every single weekday, the indicator, which is kind of like planet money fought with one difference that I mean this isn't the best possible way. Maybe a little bit Nerdier you can find it wherever it is that you're listening to this episode. This episode was produced by Darren Woods with help from Gilly Moon. 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Donald Trump is Paying Attention to the Opposition
"Next year. Someone is going to challenge. Donald Trump for the White House, the primary right home is a new podcast that helps you figure out who that candidate or candidates might be the primary ride home is a daily podcast dropping every day at five pm with the latest news from the campaign trail who's up who's down which issues are gaining traction. What is the best path to victory? The primary ride home is only fifteen to twenty minutes long. So it's the perfect way to catch up on. What you missed on your way home. Search your podcast app now for primary ride home. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of forcible eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. Hey, everyone. I'm David challen, the CNN political director, and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast, Donald Trump's paying attention. It seems that the president has now focused in a bit more on the brewing and developing twenty twenty race for the democratic nomination. He seems to be a little more interested in sizing up his potential competition. Maybe what really sparked his thinking about. This was the fact that Bernie Sanders appeared on his favourite news channel, Fox News channel in a town hall setting the night before last last night. Donald Trump tweeted the following three tweets, I'll read them here for you, many Trump fans and signs were outside of the Fox News studio last night in the now, thriving. Thank you, President Trump Bethlehem Pennsylvania for the interview with crazy Bernie Sanders big complaints about not being let in stuffed with Bernie supporters. What's with Fox News? Bernie Sanders and wife should pay the pre. Trump taxes on their almost six hundred thousand dollars in income. He is always complaining about these big tax cuts, except when it benefits him they made a fortune off of Trump. But so did everyone else. And that's a good thing. Not a bad thing. I believe it will be crazy Bernie Sanders versus sleepy Joe Biden as the two finalists to run against maybe the best economy in the history of our country and many other great things. I look forward to facing whoever it may be may God rest their soul. Which is usually what you say after someone dies. I guess so I guess he's predicting that he will vanquish whoever the opponent is. Here's the thing. First of all just as a fact check on the taxes when he says the Bernie Sanders is always complaining about these big tax cuts except when it benefits him. That's not true. Bernie Sanders is still railing against the Trump tax cuts. Even though it affects him and impacts him perhaps in a positive way. I haven't done a full analysis of the Sanders tax returns that got released the other day to see if he did indeed benefit from the Trump's Trump's tax cut, but I know for certain from listening to him every day, including at this Fox News, townhall, whatever the net effect was for him. Personally, it has not stopped him from campaigning against and slamming the Trump tax cut. So just a fact check issue there in one of the tweets and aside from the nicknames that the president is. I guess somewhat famous for in American politics. Now the way he took care of those sixteen competitors for the Republican nomination in two thousand fifteen pudding the nicknames and the childish rhetoric aside. I do think it's really intriguing and really instructive about where the president's head is about looking at Sanders and Biden as his most likely opponents. Yes, they are both leading in the polls right now. So you could say, duh. Of course, everybody would anybody would say that. But I think Donald Trump is looking down the road a little bit. I think he's taking in a lot of inputs of information from Brad par scale and Corey Lewandowski, and you know, you name the person who he trusts on politics and political data that's coming in. And what he's assessing? And what he's being briefed on is probably what he's reflecting here. Which is also in his gut that Sanders and Biden may be one of them at the end that standing up against. Him on the debate stage for his reelection campaign in two thousand twenty and it is interesting because I think if he didn't see potential vulnerability against either one of them. I don't think it would interest him as much, but I think he sees a battle there. I mean, he has talked in the past in that you recall in two thousand fifteen praising Bernie Sanders campaign seeing saying that he sees a little bit of himself in what he was striking a chord with the American public in fifteen and sixteen along the lines of what Sanders was striking a chord with. So so he sees some simpatico there, which of course, always gets under Sanders skin. And clearly we've seen him engage more and more with Joe Biden who's on the precipice of getting into this contest, and obviously has been on the public stage for four decades, and it will be a formidable foe. If indeed he is the nominee. What's intriguing to me is the buzzy or candidates if you will? Whether it's comma Harris having a good rollout, which the president did comment on or people. Did you just moment right now? Or better work. The president has had a comment or two here and there, but he clearly sees those candidates a bit more to the side than actual comers. The way he sees Biden and Sanders now it is also clearly true. That this Fox News townhall got under the president's skin. I mean, he is saying what's up with that Fox News as it. It's like, you got off the glitch here you're supposed to program what I'm doing in the White House and everything I say, and you know, that's the whole deal with state run Devi. I'm putting words in his mouth. But obviously, the relationship between Fox News, and the White House is a very close one, and it has been one of the dominant sort of political media features of the Trump presidency is how aligned FOX's with the president. And the president seemed to be a little thrown by the fact that that Bret Baier would host a Bernie Sanders townhall, and that Bernie Sanders would get time in front of a friendly crowd to put forth his message a be challenged on it, of course, by the journalists there, but I am sure also the president saw the ratings and saw the Sanders got a good number with FOX highest. Rated townhall for overall audience is of the season for any twenty twenty democrat. We know the television ratings also captures the president's attention. So does seem that Sanders is able to get a little bit under his skin or just make him a touch uncomfortable. And that probably is going to be a calling card for Sanders in many ways. Just remember we've talked about here before on the podcast Democrats right now keep saying they're looking for the person that can best defeat Trump. Bernie Sanders is trying to make the argument that that's him. And obviously that will be a core piece of the Joe Biden campaign as well. And I think the president's tweets give us insight into his thinking that they may be right in their minds that they are best positioned to defeat Donald Trump or better positioned than the rest of the folks in the twenty twenty field. One person that doesn't believe that about Bernie Sanders. Interestingly is Barack Obama's former campaign manager Jew. Who told my old former colleagues at ABC news in a podcast that he does not think Bernie Sanders can defeat Donald Trump, even though he does think Bernie Sanders, we'll be one of the last people standing heading to that convention in Milwaukee as a potential nominee thought that was pretty intriguing because this is part of the concern that we're seeing from the democratic establishment that Sanders fundraising prowess lead in the polls the way that the calendar and delegate allocation stack up is in the driver's seat right now in a really formidable spot. We'll see what Biden does when he gets in and how he harnesses advantages and how he deals with some potential pitfalls of his candidacy but Sanders is in a driver seat right now that is causing real concern. If you saw the New York Times piece by Jonathan Martin real concern in the democratic establishment. Which of course, immediately fuels the Bernie Sanders supporters. I mean, this is like how Trump did this in two thousand fifteen and sixteen about railing. The GOP establishment Sanders takes that hand wringing by establishment, Democrats and raises millions of dollars off of it signs up more supporters who want to be done with establishment, politics and are looking for change agents. And so he just takes that. And it fuels him. Same thing with this battle with the center for American progress in near attendant over the last several days. This is the stuff that fuels Bernie Sanders support structure, and so it'll be interesting to see if Democrats learn any lessons from the way that the bushes and the Rubio's and the walkers and the other establishment folks dealt with the demand for a change agent in the. Republican party for years ago. We'll Democrats learn any lessons from that and deal with this differently in some way, perhaps in a complete opposite way, maybe by embracing the Sanders candidacy that remains to be seen. We'll see but to not try and dismiss what is clearly a formidable spot that Bernie Sanders, a self declared democratic socialist, an independent is in to be the head of the Democratic Party and be the nominee of the party for the presidential election. How they navigate this will dictate so much. They I mean, the democratic establishment about how this whole process unfolds that does it for this edition of the daily DC. Thank you so much for listening hope you'll tune in again right here tomorrow. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? Download the Mark podcast Bartok podcast tells the stories of real world marketers who use technology to generate growth at a chief business and career success from advertising to software as a service to data getting brands authentically integrated the content performs better than TV advertising. 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Biden vs. Trump?
"Next year. Someone is going to challenge. Donald Trump for the White House, the primary right home is a new podcast that helps you figure out who that candidate or candidates might be the primary ride home is a daily podcast dropping every day at five pm with the latest news from the campaign trail who's up who's down which issues are gaining traction. What is the best path to victory? The primary ride home is only fifteen to twenty minutes long. So it's the perfect way to catch up on. What you missed on your way home. Search your podcast app now for primary ride home. This Jimmy Butler see himself as a bully the saquon Barkley thing he can be the greatest running back of all time. Well on my new show, take it there with Taylor rooks. I'll get all those answers from your favorite athletes. Tune in on the be our app for new episodes every week. Hey, everyone. I'm David chalian, the CNN political director, and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast, Biden versus Trump is that the general election, we're already looking at well from the president's point of view, it seems to be the case, despite the fact that Joe Biden has nineteen competitors for the democratic nomination. And yes, he sits atop that field. No doubt. Donald Trump seems to have taken to Biden as a opponent more. So than any other democrat that has entered this race thus far. And it seems that President Trump is eager and ready and fully committed to engaging on twenty twenty now. So there were about four tweets today. I'll just read through them from the president. I'll never get the support of dues crazy union leadership those people who rip off their membership. Hip with ridiculously high dues, medical and other expenses while being paid a fortune. But the members love Trump they look at our record economy tax and regulation cuts military at cetera win exclamation point. The media. Parentheses fake news is pushing sleepy Joe the his nickname for Biden heart funny on the only I'm only here because of Biden and Obama they didn't do the job. And now you have Trump who is getting it done big time. He goes on sleepy. Joe Biden is having his first rally in the great state of Pennsylvania. He obviously doesn't know that Pennsylvania is having one of the best economic years in its history with lowest unemployment ever and now thriving steel industry that was dead and great future. The do's sucking firefighters leadership will always support Democrats, even though the membership wants me some things never change. So. Four tweets off of Joe Biden scheduled today. Pittsburgh he got the endorsement of the firefighters union, which you'll get to in a moment clearly under the president's skin. And I will say this is now been since Biden's debut Biden had that strong video debut last Thursday that focused on Charlottesville and the president's comments after and it baited Donald Trump, usually we see Donald Trump baiting others into things that video baited Donald Trump. I'm not even sure that was the goal of it, quite frankly. But it beta Donald Trump into a conversation where? Friday and over the weekend. He and his team are rewriting history. As if we didn't see his actual words. And suggesting that he wasn't saying that there are fine people on both sides of the of the divide in Charlottesville between those that were sort of being purveyors of hate and those that were out there protesting against it. So Biden goes out with the video he baits Trump into a conversation there Trump now is doing Joe Biden's bidding for him. Because the one thing that Biden wants to be telling democratic primary voters every single day is yes, you have this huge cast of characters to choose from. And yes, it's the most diverse field in history. But I'm the guy that's going to take on Donald Trump and beat him where he beat us. I'm going to win back the voters in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin in Michigan. This is the Biden theory of the case, I'm not saying this will happen. But but that is his rationale for running. I'm the one with the experience and career and specific appeal to the vote. Voters. We Democrats need in order to defeat Donald Trump and bring more we'll see back to the governance of the country that his pitch and Donald Trump by engaging with Biden helps him make that pitch. He makes the case for Biden that Trump and his team fear about in the most understand that he has a special appeal with those voters in the rust bell. Going after the firefighters union leadership like that and claiming that the members of him Donald Trump is right? We saw a lot of union members and union households. Go Republican in two thousand sixteen and much of the union leadership was with Hillary Clinton. But this time around it's exactly Biden's pitch. He saying, yes, I'm coming out of the gate at my first campaign event in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to stand there and get the firefighters endorsement because I'm making the point that the members that did drift away are exactly the kind of voters that I think I can bring back into the democratic fold and keep Pennsylvania from being read another cycle and put it back in the blue column that is the Biden argument now Biden did tweet back at the president saying, quote, I'm sick of this president badmouthing unions labor, built the middle class in this country. Minimum wage overtime, pay the forty hour workweek they exist for all of us because unions fought for those rights, we need a president who honors them. And their work. So Biden, they're responding to the president all before he makes his debut on the campaign trail. That's what the event is in Pittsburgh today Biden making his debut on the campaign trail taking on the whole notion of rebuilding the middle class that is what his campaign says is going to be one of the pillars of his candidacy. So we will see that piece sort of put into explanation today. I don't believe this is a day. We're going to get a ton of specifics from Joe Biden, but I do anticipate it being a day where we get sort of the big vision thing on rebuilding the middle class. My colleague Arlen signs is also reporting that we expect by into address the synagogue shooting out in San Diego over the weekend and this rise in hate crimes and white nationalism. Which by the way, Joe Biden by launching his campaign on that video about Charlottesville reinserted that notion into the political debate. And that's why I say he he ended up bathing the president and the president. Has happily engaged in it. So here we are four days into the Biden campaign and one of the central debates of the political moment is this notion of an uptick in white nationalism under President Trump's watch can't imagine that. That's actually how what he wanted to be waiting right now. Or at least what his campaign team wanted to be debating. And we know there are those in his campaign team that would like him not to engage individually with these Democrats specifically Biden or others because they want to paint, according to our reporting from my colleagues, Caitlyn Collins Sarah Westwood numbers. They want to paint the entire democratic field with the broad stroke of too far left that those are socialists. No matter who the name of the democrat is the democrat up against Donald Trump is going to move the country in a more socialist direction, something you America will not be comfortable with. That's the pitch that the Trump campaign wants to stay focused on. Which is why there are several folks in the president's orbit hoping that he doesn't sort of take on one on one the Biden Sanders, or or whomever. What I find so intriguing is that an and Jeff Zeleny reported some of this last week. The president is in dictating the pace of play. The president is not setting. The course of every hour of cable news television, which he was able to do in did quite successfully over the first two years plus of his administration, but this race has now gotten fully activated with Joe Biden's entrance into it. And having a big dog get in there and be the front runner and sizing himself up against Trump and Trump wanting to play along means that there's oxygen for Joe Biden to dictate on how it gets played. And I think you're seeing that play out and that is clearly getting under the president's skin again, all before Joe Biden holds his actual first public campaign event, which will be this afternoon in Pittsburgh. He then heads off to Iowa, and we'll see him in South Carolina later in the week as this first full week of the Biden twenty twenty effort gets underway that doesn't for this edition of the daily DC. Thank you so much for listening hope you'll tune in again right here tomorrow. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the voices of search podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley here? Search metrics Inc. CEO Jordan Kuni. 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Russian reports and EU summits: Politics Weekly podcast
"Guardian. Boris Johnson celebrates a year in office with the gift of a damning Russia report I'm Jonathan Freedland columnist at the Guardian and this is politics weekly. Rage isn't there was interference. The outrage is that no one want to know if there was interference. The long awaited report into Russian. In the brexit referendum showed that neither the British government nor intelligence agencies looked in any meaningful way into Kremlin attempts to interfere with the 2016 vote on British membership of the. The fifty page document published on Tuesday from Parliament's intelligence and Security Committee showed how ministers turned a blind eye to allegations of Russian disruption and treated as the hot potato of politics meaning they actively avoided doing anything about it. Despite the findings, the government quickly shut down. Any suggestion you review is now needed to look into Russian interference in the brexit referendum, but the security says his will be given extra powers to try to prevent foreign interference in British democracy in future. So which conservative government do we blame for? This lack of oversight is this on Boris Johnson or Theresa May all David Cameron and what will be its impact. Will it force the current government to do anything different? And all the UK. Delta didn't deal with Russia. E You leaders spent five days at the negotiating table eventually agreeing on how to spend a whopping seven hundred and fifty billion Euro Corona Virus Recovery Fund Package Jennifer. Gives us the latest from Brussels later on in the podcast, plus is the Green Party of England. Wales prepares for next month's leadership. Election, Peter Walker talks to the two candidates hoping to beat the incumbent favorites. That's all in this week's politics weekly. But I a lot has happened in Westminster this week, but I thought I'd start off by looking specifically at what that Russian report showed us, and why it was so damning and to help me do that. No one better than Luke harding the former Moscow correspondent for the Guardian is written. A string of bestselling books on Putin's Russia includes new book. Shadow state which looks. Looks at the Russia report and how Downing Street turned a blind eye Luke Boris. Johnson hinted awhile back when we did eventually get to see this report into Russian interference in the e referendum that we'd be board. That was his idea that there was really nothing there of note, so how about it? We you board on Tuesday when you finally got to read it. If I'm I I have to say I. Did a little victory dance around the MTA got in newsroom. Because you say Downing Street aides had been saying. It's a big you'll on that. Will conspiracy theorists that there's nothing to see here? And actually the report was cyber. Credible. And it was overwhelmingly damning. Essentially, it said the government had bothered to. Find out whether the Russians had meddled in the Brexit vote. Do Thousand Sixteen, and so I think it's pretty devastating and I think it demands a serious response from government. Whether whether we get, it is not a master. Wouldn't it have been even more damning if it actually laid out the evidence that showed yes, the Russians did actually interfere with the vote. Well I mean it. It would have been in. This is the kind of great frustration and we didn't know if it was deliberate that the government didn't investigate Russian. Prince have brexit all whether it was just an oversight, the hard pro brexit faction, the vote leave faction, but a now captain Dang. Street were the beneficiaries of this Russian operation and the reason that behaving in such an ostrich like. Way is they don't want anything to raise questions about the legitimacy of the of the referendum vote. And they want to sweep it all coming, so they didn't look and we don't know because they didn't want to know that they didn't want to know. And even if we were to investigate and then conclude that this was around the edges that'd be okay, but I think the scandal is the government does not want to look at this just wants to sold to to move on on on really. What was the most consequential vote for Britain of the Twentieth Century? Just on a process question has taken a year since the review was completed to have this finally see the light of day. The Intelligence and Security Committee in Parliament. He drew it up. have been very quick to reject the prime minister's explanation for the delay. We. We actually could see in this report before last December's election without any problem. What we could have done. It had been cleared invited by the security agencies, and probably of the evidence, which was given to it by by by series of expert witnesses was submitted in two thousand and eighteen, so it was ready to roll. It was oven ready to use Boris Johnson. Phrase and but now that we've seen it. We know why he didn't want. It doubts festival. It's embarrassing it it has. His foreign secretary in Tabriz man's prime minister. What were reluctant to interrogate the Russia? Breath question I also I think back then when he'd he'd affected industries parliamentary majority, I think he, he must have been afraid that there would have been a vote to fool aside kind of internal white will. And spy agency inquiry into all of this now now he's one is majority with people voting, being none the wiser. He's got out of that problem. We had in prime minister's questions. Just now as you and I speak the Prime Minister Agree disagnosed people asking questions about it and saying there's been no, this is really all about Mr Speaker. This is about pressure from the isn't totally and Romanians who seized on this on this report to try to give the impression that the Russia, the Russian interference was somehow responsible for brexit. Mississippi yeah I thought that was quite insulting. You stand on the brexit argument. There's a clear interest in knowing that our. Prices not being. Subverted by hostile foreign actors, and may be Russia today or China tomorrow on North Korea all whoever it's about the integrity of aging systems a ninety citizens. Have for something. Pigeon is a super villain who causes everything, but he is. He's a classic KGB opportunists in adventurist. And he, he loves brexit. Because it weakens the European. Union is great and it diminishes. The UK another adversary since time. We have this uncomfortable thing where Russian foreign policy and Jones standing on foreign policy, a aligned. The Intelligence and Security Committee referred to this issue of Russian interference as a hot potato for successive governments. Where do you think we should be putting the blame? Who comes out of this looking bad? It's all Disney because the referendum was under David Cameron. The immediate aftermath was under. Theresa may embarrassed Johnson is in number ten now. So who should we be blaming this? Well I think they're all guilty I think. Show, a lot of responsibility, I mean she. She clearly sort to second-lowest quasar religious duty to implement the will of the people around Brexit, and she just didn't want to to to investigate what what Russia had done. What the I see! Said very clearly that the flashing lights we we we so aggression activity around the Scottish referendum vote in two thousand and four team G.. H. Q. That listening agency New in spring, two, thousand sixteen, the Russian spies seized Democratic Party emails in America to try and undermine Hillary. Clinton said it was spent warning and yet nothing was done to pretend the referendum or to. Investigate what happened off his likely so with Robert Mellon in the United States. And and just last that the despite agencies, it was pretty humiliating for them. Am I five was asked by? The committee won't happen with Brexit and they produced a six line. Reply. You get the impression. The James Bond's of this well, what would terrify offending power of offending government really that job? That intelligence function is to is to fight back against Russian. Transparent branks it. They were effectively tea-break just a quote from the report. It says that Russian influence in the UK is the new normal. If that's right, you confidently that the government is actually in a position to deal with Russian interference, not in the past, the Brexit vote of two thousand sixteen, but now and in the future, well actually rational differences, the old normal to be honest walt. PITMAN's dun-rite cleverly is take. The silent playbook of trying to destabilise enemy countries and exploit that divisions in weaknesses. And updated it for shiny age of facebook. Twitter and more successfully than KGB generals did he has has enormous reach we have to remember that Putin has nagging manpower until potentially twenty that he thinks he's just one solution referendum and thus far. Anything convincing suggests that the as has has the will all the conceptual ability. To fight back against it, You and I will be talking about this. Fuchsia, and I think democracy is a pretty precarious in Vulnerable Position Still Lou card. Thank you very much for joining us in a busy busy week view. I want to turn to the Guardians Political correspondent Kate property now. Because on top of this important report. There's been lots going on in Westminster. Just before we let go of the Russia's story, we are recording this just after the last prime minister's question time before the summer break and and kissed was very very strong in his condemnation on this issue. The government's takes off the ball. Arguably, it wasn't even on the pitch. After this government's been in power for ten years. How does the promise to explain? But the prime minister was not having any of it Mr Speaker I really do think the. Gentleman's questions, absolutely absurd. There is no country in the Western world. That is more vigilant, so kate quite testy exchanges between the leaves the opposition in the prime minister on this Russia report it was it was a real fiery one, said the last PM keys was real end of term feel about it, and it was about trading those final blows. Over the rusher pool that they're able to get in before recess and. Kissed Dhamma. WHO's pre sustained in his argument? He was saying constantly that the prime minister is allowed many many months to go by without any action on this, because this report was delayed from November twenty nineteen and he gets messed new prime minister. What's the reasons Why is that and I don't think for barstools particularly was able to give a strong answer on that, but he did very ferociously. Come Back Pierce, Dahmer and say well actually undulate under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. Labour was parenting lines from the Kremlin and he was making reference to this close relationship that Jeremy. May may not have had with. The Russians so. They definitely traded blows on some really big issue he's. been questioned whether it would actually trying to blame kissed for the record, a Jeremy Corbyn some Labor people I think might be welcome. Welcome the contrast there, because obviously it's under new management now. What about this response from gear? STARMER, referring to Boris Johnson's vacillation on the big brexit question writing a piece in favor of peace against P. People have been wondering with a Kid Thomas Him to think. Think on his feet. What did you think yeah? I mean I think that probably is quite a SACRI schism. He's not so nimble at the comebacks, but he did actually come back with a joke today, which really really did go down very well, so I don't own accuses him of flip flopping and Case Dhamma came back and said look you know I'm hearing missed a mom whose ritchie versions. Versions of every single ask leads apparition, which untidy goes to the heart of Boris Johnson's previous sauce on the European Union, and then his pivot to being a very strong Brexit, so actually stom- was able to come back, and the was quiet laughter in the House of Commons at that point, so those exchanges marking the end of the session before people go off for the recess, but he'd been. been a rather full week for British politics, even outside the chamber with the visit of the United States sixers state Mike Pompeo, coming here and for meetings with the Foreign Secretary and with the prime. Minister and it looked very chummy between Mike pompeo Boris Johnson Dominic Robb, Kidman oh it really did. It was as if the US is giving me UK a really big PAT on the head. Pompeo was saying you know He. He praised the case for the hallway. Ban praised mcgann for evening the doors to Hong Kong for the generous spirits of the British people and yet. We. Think well done, which was pretty quite bizarre. Statement to here. It's not really the kind of purely domestic language that you may be used to hearing on these visits book. I mean in terms of pleasing America. It does appear that said UK has recently done a very good job on its position on China, and before we let you go cates and big news from the Labor Party earlier today. Just like we have to wait a long time for that report this this was a statement of the people who've been waiting for in the form of an apology. They this. They're gonNA cause. We'll Russians within Labor so. We've had the the High Court case. Case, which is what about the Panorama program and it was about whistle blowers. He felt that they had been made by the Labor Party in a press statement that they released after the Panorama program, so they settled. The case and Labour has apologized for that press release that was released under the leadership of Jeremy. Corbyn they say we unreservedly withdraw all allegations of bad faith, malice and lying on behalf, if the whistle blowers on, they will say agreed to pay damages, and if it was interesting, that kissed Obama and issued a statement and issued this apology, saying that under the leadership of kissed on A. Lorraina she's the deputy leader of the labour. Party, that committed tackling anti Semitism. I thought it was interesting that he referenced Lorraina too because you could say that she was someone who is much closer to Jeremy Corbyn than kissed on ever was and to use her, and to have her dea hospice apology in the heart of this payouts. Is quite interesting politicking from stomach because. He's trying to show that the entire Party leadership is is moving away and trying to draw a line under these accusations of antisemitism, the of being getting around for such a long time, and we'll so showing break from in the leadership team from some of the people that were close to two Jeremy Corbyn hurry inched hargreaves if he wanted some sort of political cover. By bringing Angela Raiders name into there's two more relevant reports to come. The big one is the equality and Human Rights Commission. report that inquiry we're hearing now might not come until September and there is this other inquiry. The so-called four inquiry set up by the Labor Party leader to investigate the of a long internal report again into the same question of antisemitism in the Party and that to taking some time. What's your read of how this is working for him? Is He succeeding kissed? In drawing a line under the antisemitism question, which obviously did call such problems. For the Labor Party under its previous management, I do think it draws a line under this issue in terms of party, membership asshole. We've seen people that were very close to Jeremy Kuban. Matt's cousin, who's he was at one point his spokesperson. He's tweeting today. This is obsolete William Nonsense everything that's going on within the party at the moment around anti, Semitism and the response I'd imagine. He thinks he's putting into it so now, but of CO, the Equality Human Rights report that is g out later in September into the Labor Party Ninety Semitism is obviously going to open all of this again. Depending on what that report comes back with, so I think it's a temporary pools and it's it's a small line that's been drawn to this but something that's going to have to be revisited. Prompted you very much indeed. Thank you very much. We still have a lot of news to cover after the break, Jennifer? Rankin reports on historic you spending agreement and we hear from leadership candidates for the Green Party England Wales. We'll be back after this. If, I asked you tell me a story about you. What would she say? He's got this like really weird. Thing is head where he thinks. I'm like a witch. I'm Leah Green and this is the most a new podcast from the Guardian about strangers and their secret lives. Goes round the. Has feels very strange. Listen now. Last or you get your podcasts innermost disappointed by Vodafone. Welcome back to politics weekly I'm Jonathan Freedland. Now while the U K, way to hear with reported to Russian interference would say EU leaders had a few sleepless nights this past weekend as they tried to come up with an agreement on a seven hundred fifty billion Euro Corona Virus Pandemic Recovery Fund as the Guardians Brussels correspondent Jennifer. Rankin now explains there will some sizable bumps along the way. We have a of work ahead of us, but tonight is a big step forward towards recovery so easy leaders have been meeting in Brussels and at the end of a very long summit have finally agreed on a one point eight trillion euro package, and that includes a seven hundred and fifty billion. Corona Virus Recovery Package, but Oh side of the EU's long-term budget, the budget for the seven years starting from twenty twenty one, so there was an enormous amount of money on the table, and to no great surprise, it was never going to be easy to agree those kind of sums especially given the tensions between different new member-states. The most obvious one was between for Northern European member states and the rest those for known as the Frugal cooling themselves the frugal four are the Netherlands Austria Sweden Denmark. They've taken a very tough line throughout. They came into this negotiation, saying they couldn't possibly sign up to grants for the hardest hit economies they they wanted the whole recovery plan to be funded through loans, which would eventually be paid back, so they made. Made a big concession in the end by ultimately agreeing to free hundred ninety billion euros WEFA grants, but if they think economic reforms in different member states a not going far enough, which has been a long-term complained to these countries than they can raise the issue, would another EU summit and potentially slow down the release of any recovery funds alone. Not Stop is not a veto that said the Dutch prime minister had originally sought. The DOT. com. On your. And the other conflict is between Western European member states and to Central European countries Hungary and Poland in particular. I don't know what is the personal reason for the Dutch prime used to me or Hungary, but he's attacking so harshly. And it's important to know that hungry Poland currently subject to an e you process investigating the rule of law in both these countries because it's, it's widely seen that these governments are undermining the independence of the judiciary, and there are many wider concerns about how they treat minorities, so western European states came into these negotiations, saying that no country should be able to benefit from eve funds, unless it's fully up to European democratic values, so these countries will ultimately successful in fighting off any linked to EIB funds and the rule of law, and e you. Leaders said they would come back to this question another day. and as a result of these underlying tensions, we saw some really heated moments in the summit Emmanuel Macron the French president. Touchy Buying Tastes Fist on the table because he was so frustrated with the approach taken by the cycle frugal countries we'll say saw those so-called frugal full, being called the Maya's by the Polish prime minister. We saw vic all been in an extraordinary way accusing the Dutch Prime Minister of comparing. Comparing him to the communist era police, so we saw some really extraordinary levels of of acrimony am vitriol which makes this this summit? I think one that will really sort of lost in the memory. Is something particularly Sir and particularly difficult, and although that was ultimately in agreement, I think the legacy of this summit will remain in in people's minds and We'll continue to influence how different EU countries relate to each other. So Ah. Turning point came early on Monday when the twenty-seven leads decided, they were going to stay in Brussels for their second on the scheduled day, because remember, the summit was supposed to land on Saturday evening, and finally in the in the early hours of Tuesday, morning, the twenty seven reached a deal which was announced by the European Council President Shall Michel. We've one word tweet deal. Most importantly. This the rights deal for Europe right. No, this agreement will be seen a pivotal moment in Europe's journ, and then very rapidly, the you leaders gave press conferences, but they gave somewhat different accounts of what had been agreed. To Very STOIC macron, for example describing this as historic deal for the EU, but on the other hand you had ruta, the Dutch prime minister, simply saying these were exceptional circumstances and the recovery plan we have agreed is a one off so avoiding some of the the grand language we. We saw from from the French president. I think you leaders leave summit with festival, a sense of relief that the reason agreements because that was a sentence that if they failed to reach a deal this time, they would be back here in a few days, maybe a month's time, and they would have suited all over again. When the arguments would remain the same sticking, points would remain the same, and also they would have been. I think a sense of the EU being tarnished. If it had been shown unable to take a decision during such a crisis. In one fifty Zepa y'all. Lights that we had from ain't GonNa Mark Clove on Tuesday morning. He said that it was a very important message to the rest of Europe, but also to the rest of the world that shows that the EU can act together when it wants to. The Guardians Jennifer Rankin now August is normally a quiet month in UK politics, but it's a big month for the green. Party of England and Wales next month they will hold an election to choose their next leader or leaders. Incumbents Chonburi Jonathan Bartley a favorites to win a second term, but two of a candidates have entered the fray. Is a relative newcomer to the political world, having only been elected as a councillor for solihull last year. Shara Alley is a more seasoned Green Party member having served as deputy leader back in twenty fourteen. They each have very different views which direction their party should take my colleague, the Guardians Political correspondent. Peter Walker spoke to both of them earlier this week, so let's start with a brief background about who you are. What you've kind of done to get you know where you on our roads. You'll tend to you first. What's your pre politics background? An interesting very background. I started off by searching. Massey University I did a PhD in computer science. And then in a completely newman logical career progression went off and became a professional mixed martial artists twelve years. He was the first woman to take part in the UFC as the first British woman. Up I British Women in USA Akin Twenty, fifteen, which for people that what was stunned for ultimate fighting championship kind of Premier League of that kind of thing, isn't it? Yes, that's right. So often are our from active competition in twenty fourteen by they're not qualified nasty path, and now remind clinic, so that's my. That's day job alongside the politics. So after all the fact, what prompted you to get into the leadership battle? The real driving factor here is that I see the Green Party is being at. A transition point in his journey were a fork in the road on. Really have to decide where we gotten because a moment with party. If English politics, we have quite low of influence and policies end up being badly recycled by the other parties. Are wants to not almost become a mainstream major political force as I. See it to do that. We need to change some things about what we're doing. So I really liked to start having that conversation within the Party about how to do that guy to develop into that mainstream political force and take political power on our own terms. Shara and you've been figuring a green slightly longer. Your former deputy leader and he stood leadership election, two thousand eighteen, but let people know bit more about what your background is. You know again a Hancock to where you are now well I started life educationally vocation. Here's a bike and chemical engineer, so I worked a little bit in the field. Than I did degrees in philosophy? ended up with a P. H. D. in philosophy I'm actually being the party eighteen. Yes, i. kind of feel was. If I cannot be political, just it's in my bloodstream. Really the climate emergency is just. Such a horrendous catastrophe waiting to happen where sleepwalking into it I'm a founder signatory of extinction rebellion, which I think is an important plank of how do politics as well in terms of our campaigns and Many brains actually. Hold Down Day. Jobs I'm no different I. Work in education has been working working error as well. As I can ask you I mean. The green seem to be doing reasonably well. They did quite well at the local and European elections. And also the two thousand nine hundred election result was kind of an improvement on the twenty seven one me. Think. ATTENTION TO LEADERSHIP IS I? Guess doing things wrong. If you want to do things like better well, it's easy to criticise as an and I think they've been doing a sterling job. On top of volume, the things that are doing also is green politicians whether counselor London Assembly member, but really the twenty nine thousand nine hundred result which you've mentioned wells was disastrous for us. We shouldn't have got involved in the United to remain alliance impacted impacts I think. There are toxic party to get involved if anybody understands Alco green votes in message will know that that was a compromise to fall while the public is crying out, for is for politicians and politics to speak truth, they want to hear the alarming truth on climate change, and I really do believe that we need to in order to punch above our weight as we often in councils and across the country when we do get elected. We've really got to be bold. Bold unapologetic about Green Vision, we've understandably as a Green party is well spent a lot of time and energy campaigning whether on brexit negotiations over the last two years trying to have another referendum or even now during lockdown I think we have to live in a sustainable manner. We cannot go on in this way. Politically those messages are not being made boldly clearly for the systemic change that we need and I want to be doing that if elected as leader. I think I see things a little bit differently from Shara, so in terms of the twenty nine thousand nine hundred results. I think there are certainly some things that we could have done differently in hindsight I would stop short Acehnese disastrous. I think there are a lot of things going on that factored into the results that I think important thing now is to focus on what we do in the future problem is not the people don't understand that there's an issue with the club emergency. This is actually a pretty well known as a scientist groups like exile do some great were raising awareness I think the challenge we face actually is getting a mandate for action. That's a lot more challenging than just going out on shouting out things because we know psychologically sometimes the harder you push, the more people will push back against so actually we need to guard need to meet people where they are bringing with us and take them on the journey, so the way I see it with. We need to tackle some of their stereotypes. People have of the Green Party. Because I talked to a lot of people who still think that we're singly. She Aussie that with all white middle-class Fijians. We need to be more inclusive. We need to go out to. We need to speak to people in communities. Humane may not be to blue-green voters. You may not think of themselves as Greens and we also need to focus on electoral success, so we need to get over that idea. The green vote is a wasted vote. We can't win if I could return Charlotte to this idea of some people sing in Greenville is being wasted vote. If you'll not keen on the Greens for example, collaborating intellectual packs with people that live them's I mean. Had you get over that? Because the Greens still got one member of parliament, and unless the electoral system changes is going to be quite difficult to get any more I mean you think you should be focusing on getting boring piece in the comments? Would you think maybe the Greens influences more at the kind of local citywide line a level? London Merrill Elections or council. That's that kind of thing. What where would you folks be? Why would say around this? You know we've had a referendum on a kind of an offer on proportion representation which failed I. Don't think there's a massive appetite full this, although we will campaign in it, the number one priority for me, and for this party must be climate emergency. You know we need to be vocalizing that urgency. We need to be talking about changing the economy. We've got a linear economy. You know we need to move that to a secular communist say it's gotTa. Be Sustainable bottom line. Let's get back to the facts. People may know them, but they need to be constantly reminded of the catastrophe to future generations and non human animals. Are Not just about looking after one. We're also about looking after contemporaries halfway around the world who having to suffer the consequences of our over consumption. This is not a fire drill. This is an emergency and the Greens need to be vocalizing that action. That's exactly what is required today. Not Tomorrow I. Disagree with shower on this point. mckinney agree with him entirely on the urgency of tackling climate emergency. However, I disagree with him about the strategy doing that because we know that people will not vote for us, or there will be a lot of people who won't vote I while they see us as a single, she potty. They won't politicians. Politicians who will tackle not only the climate emergency, but it will the issues they face in their day-to-day lights, so somebody who is living in poverty or facing issues of discrimination is wondering how they're going to put food on the table next week. The carnage emergency cassim an awful long way off. Even though we know, it isn't in order to get votes from those people we need to be tackling the everyday issues, and we need to speak about those just as prominently as we all about the climate emergency in our environmental campaigning and thoughts how we will gain credibility in the trust in order to get the change that we need. Sharon, if I could go back to you in terms of practical changes, I mean what kind of almost opportunity for Green Day's criticize has kind of brought up. Is that the way that citizens transporting people? Round has changed an awful lot in some ways. It's the bad thing it could. Public Transport which oversee is normally very kind of green thing. It's very very difficult for big city public transport to carry nearly as many people that know me would so a lot of cities trying to introduce mashes kind of cycling and walking site that Rav just returning to Massias of 'cause. What you think, the Greens can offer in kind of terms of this. Do you see it's a chance for cities to maybe change? Absolutely the is is that social justice is inextricably. Linked to the climate emergency, and so we've always been about joining the dots looking at how we can reduce our energy consumption in transport in housing and retrofitting and in transport. In particular you can see again. This government's completely backwards priorities and we've got an eight scheme, hundred billion and counting. We would be putting that hundred billion by the way. retrofitting housing, a hundred billion. A year for the next ten years is one trillion. That's the kind of scale of change that we need and we've seen in covid. The real need is local. We need to be redirecting that money even nor into road-building schemes, but into local. Regional buses because people are desperate to want to be able to live sustainably reduce carbon footprint. They're not able to do the minute. They're forced to use the car because of such bad. Unaffordable unreliable transportation and again the green new deal. It's a revolution in how we consume. It's a revolution in what energy production we have our disposal. We should be world leading in that. And yet we're not so yes. Social Justice, bread and butter issues and the climate emergency are all inextricably bound together in the Green Party and it should be made our number one priority. Rosie like a turn back to you. Outside sometimes seem like the kind the fate of the Indian Wells Greenpeace. Come up with ideas which when she left, and then kind of thought about and then taken by Labor like four or five years later. And it does seem like if the economy is going to be reshaped, and if you know city centers never going to be the same again, then the time could come for days like no one of universal basic income. But also even paps the four day week. Given the fact, the green parties have relatively small parties still do think part of your role is to basically get those ideas out there and then let them be kind of taken up I think this is pop how politics works! It's not just about being in charge and being in a position where you can implement policies the top down. It's about being in the room, and making those arguments and winning those arguments in having policies taken food by whoever's in power and I. Think this is Underestimate the influence that even a few Greens have. By the way we have, we have three parliamentarians. We have one N. p. into members of the House of Lords so that making those arguments net putting case very powerfully, so we've been able to have influence, even while being opposition what we're saying to people this just imagine how much more we could do with more counselors more MP's. This is why we. We need people voting green a site in order to get those green votes. We need to present people with a comprehensive offer and actually capable. We're competent. We're informed. We can manage things fee. Leadership election is taking place now, and by the end of August we should know who the next leader or leaders of Green Party of England Wales going to be. As the incumbents, and as I would probably say the better known or best known candidates Sean, Barron Trump about the appropriate favorites to win, but you to obviously very much in the fight to win it I mean whether or not either win in kind of you know thirty or forty seconds. What do you think would be the number one party? You'd really really won't elite ships. The Greens focus on the next couple of years shower. Maybe maybe you go first. It's the climate emergency. We are about completely changing the way that people look at politics. It's not just about the electoral machine. It is about social ecological environmental transformation, and at the end of the day. Who All all those other beings! With an interest in how we do politics, it's future generations people who aren't around head to be able to press their claims upon us because I don't exist yet. They will not be left with an inhabitable planet in twenty, hundred or two hundred years. We are living in completely unsustainable way. It's sold as beautiful species that we share the planet wave in terms of biodiversity loss. We have got to be stronger in how we articulate. Articulate the truth about the fact that we are not living within our means I. think in order to take our influence next level. We now need to focus on being serious about inclusion about speaking to people who are not stereotypical green voters we need to take political power on our own terms were more than just a pressure group. We need to get Greens into the Cardoza an appetite when those decisions are being made. Breezy sexton. Shara, thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Members of the Green. Party will be able to vote from offered to the thirty first, and it's expected that we'll know the results soon afterwards, and that is all from us this week. Make sure to listen out to tomorrow's episode of today in Focus as the Guardians Daniel buffy explains why the Cova crisis has cemented faultlines in European Union solidarity just search for today InFocus wherever you get your podcasts, but for me a huge thanks to all of our guests new carding Kate proctor, Peter Walker, Jennifer, Rankin, Rosi, sexton and Shara Alley the producer is Daniel Stevens I'm Jonathan freed. 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Robert Emmons, Jr. & Chris Rowe
"Hi, this is Chris Palomino from Los Angeles, California. And you're listening to two brads talking politics. Are you? Everyone. This is Kelly with two broads talking politics. I am doing a rare in person interview today with Robert Evans junior who is running for congress in the first district of Illinois. Hi, Robert ako. Thanks almost for on us today. Yes. So this is pretty exciting to actually get to interview a neighbor. Currently sitting in these second district of Illinois. But if we look out the window right next to us. We can see the first district. So we're pretty close uniform that I I it's nice. And I am very familiar with first strict have lived there work in the first strict. So it's other than my home district the one I think I know the best so Robert could we start by just tell me about your background and why decided to run for congress. Absolutely. In terms of my background. I call myself a social innovator was doesn't mean much in America. But internationally, essentially, what a social innovator does is it. It takes a group of problems and works with a group of people to solve those problems by using the innovative design thinking model, but starts starts off with the finding the problem going up to research and all the way up until like actual implementation and evaluation of the programs. So that's what I did with the Obama foundation. And that's also. I did with this nonprofit named one goal which is a national college access in persists organization, dedicated to helping low income students like myself at that time get into college. And then what's most important is actually persisting through college. And then outside of being a social innovator directly. I call myself a gun violence prevention advocate, and what I mean by that is not not necessarily gonna take away. Everybody's guns, but to focus on preventing gun violence because this issue matters deeply to me because I've lost friends to gun violence, and my story has become all too familiar with many people and the district and what I'm advocating for throughout this campaign is for us to say bold and creative things a craziest things like we're going to end gun violence within our lifetime. Think about how many more lies we can save when we have leaders that that actually believe that it's possible to end gun violence. So that's why I'm running all right and said tell me a little bit. I know a lot about I district of Illinois. But not all of our listeners do just a little bit about that. The district where it's located. And kinda what what the concerns are of the people in the district. First of all district, the first district's civically is a very historic district is a district that Hera Washington mayor Hera Washington got political kind of his political start as the Representative of the district the district in which Barack Obama ran into twenty years ago. So the district there's a lot of the Chicago south side and stretches always south west going towards JAL yet. I'm so some of the neighborhoods that didn't clues are Brownsville high park Auburn Gresham chat on parts of roseland in Inglewood going all the way south west towards like Tinley park, Oaklawn Manhattan, new Lennox. Those very large district is about seven hundred eleven thousand residents with a bunch of different a bunch of different interests as many parts of the country have budget different interests. But overwhelmingly what people wanna see as reduction of crime an increase in being able to get jobs. And have access to mobility in where I'm from I'm from album Gresham. The the biggest issue is gun violence was was what I believe. I think we need to focus on solving gun violence is root causes. And that's how you married all of the different issues together in they converge to gun violence. So that's access to mental health care. That's reforming the way our schools are even funded because if you look at the way the schools are currently funded on his based off of housing taxes if you're from a poor area. Then your school's gonna be underfunded. And I think that's an injustice and back to mental health care as we look in this country to expanding health care, we need to also make sure that we're expanding mental health care because we as we see our our young people are traumatized, and they need to have access to to the care that they need. So that they can go to school and perform to the capacity that their brains are already developed because as we know our young people are some of this Martin entire planet. They just need that opportunity to do. So we need to invest in environmental Justice because we know what led in our drinking water. Does the minds of our young people. So there are bunch of different issues that that are married to gun violence in. And also the solutions to them have to also be solved by addressing some of those other issue that just need sell the first district right now is represented by democrat. He hasn't yet said whether he's running or retiring next time, why did you choose to to step into a race where you're potentially running in a primary against an incumbent. Thank you. That's a great question. And I get that question so often, it's the why why am I running? Why? Now, when I think about a lot of the issues that face, our our country, some of our most pressing like our criminal Justice system, and and gun violence, and our young people not being able to graduate college. If they do graduate from college they're coming out with massive amounts of student loan debt. A lot of these issues disproportionately affect young black men under the age of thirty. Then when I looked at our elected officials and Washington no-one really fit that demographic. So I think we're missing a key voice in congress. And we need that voice to advocate for some of the most vulnerable communities in our country and allow that voice to say courageous things and advocate. For those craziest things from lens of being able to truly understand the experiences of that group. There's been some talk about the d triple c trying to sort of put the facade on incumbents instead of challengers. So what do you see sort of what you'll need to do to get your voice out there in into run? If the triple C is is focusing on the incumbents. What is the path for challenge are to take? The beauty of what's going on around the country as organizing starting to take. Starting to take a a bigger having a bigger role in politics. So what we've what we're doing in my in my campaign, for example, is we've invested in making sure that almost everybody in our campaign as a organizer, for example, we brought on three March for our lives organizers for our campaign because they have proven to be able to galvanize groups of people and push us towards Justice and push us towards freedom. So that's what we're gonna do. We're going to organize we're going to galvanize and we're going to uplift entire community the our campaign mantra mantras we are the solution. Then we end it with together, which means that our communities aren't starting off on blank slates, nor is there one particular person that's gonna solve all our problems. It's only we're only going to solve our problems when we're working together to again to push for Justice and freedom for everybody. I can see how young you our listeners may be can't. But I believe if you're lectured, you'd be the youngest. Member of congress younger even than a oh, see so tucked me a little bit. You mentioned that we don't have the voices of young black men in congress, tucked me, a little bit about sort of the perspective that you'd bring and how you think you have prepared to do this job the perspective. I bring as a black man as a young black man is proximity proximity to to the issues themselves. When I talk about gun violence talking about it because I've I've gone through it. I've lost best friends to gun violence when I talk about one. Getting sick. And and going the debt because you got sick your whole life kind of kind of taken a go being derailed. I've experienced that myself. I talk about the criminal Justice system. I have friends and the criminal Justice system right now. So I'm coming at it from a different from a different lens than some other folks in congress, even some of the great ones that are champions coming from different place because I live it I go through it in these are my friends when I get to congress. I'm not gonna change at all. I'm going to bring those stories of my friends to congress, and I'm also gonna tap into into my own experiences and make sure that I'm being voice for that for that Barnaby community 'cause we know when when we uplift that burnable community the entire society does better. So that's that's what I'm going to bring to the table. As is a true voice that won't change that won't be altered is going to fight like hell to make sure that my friends and people like you, and I could live in a life free. From from fear of being shot by gun free from from film, like if you get sick, your your whole life's gonna going to be derailed. That's what I'm fighting for. And so talk to me about some of the experiences, you mentioned being in the being an Obama fellow taught me about some of the other things that you've done. I know you've done some travelling and how those things really prepare you for for this. What what's really a very big job being congressman -solutely? So I've been fighting for a lot of different issues on even throughout my college advocacy days. I worked briefly with Senator dick Durbin and fighting for the increase in a national minimum wage worked for an organization named next generation next generation climate working and environmental Justice, of course, work in the gun violence prevention space with generation progress. I've done a lot of work in the past and turns of advocacy, but it wasn't until my best friend was shot and killed that a a new fire kind of developed in my stomach, and and since then my entire life has been about. Not just advocating for these things, but being champions for these things, and I think that's what has prepared me for for running for congress and more importantly, what's going to prepare me to actually win this election and be a voice to to to our people. And I think that's I think more more so than than the let me of resume things that I can lift off is it's that heart. That's that is what prepared me for congress. So I can ask this because I've heard you tell the story before, but your family has a personal experience with the current President Trump. I could you tell a little bit about that story. I'm sure and I I'm starting to get this question. Prepare a little bit more for next time. Yes. So my family's originally from Chicago same house that I ended up growing growing up in after we moved back, but my dad actually was recruited to go work in Atlantic City as a pastry chef and Donald Trump's Taj Mahal and at that at the top Mahal my dad experienced tons of inequities while they're it's for me. At least in hindsight, what it taught me is that there's a huge wealth disparity and one and you have a billionaire who owns the casino on the other end you have an employee that works sixty hours a week. But his family struggling to make ends meet in many many ways on that has shaped me into the person. I am today by seeing that gross and disparity in income. And and overall the financial stability, it prepared me for for what I'm doing now because we want to end that we want to make sure that everyone is doing well. Every no one has to make a decision on whether or not they're going to pay for gas or or food 'Sometimes my family had to make that decision. So that's what we're gonna fight against when we get to congress said, this is a very urban district of of all the districts in the country. It's one of the very most urban districts. What are we've talked about some of them. But what do you think are the the kinds of things that are challenges that that urban districts in particular may not be people may not be focusing on as much? You know, we hear a lot about whether we can reach rural districts, whether we can reach world voters and people sometimes worry that Democrats, for instance, are are taking urban voters sort of for granted. So what are some of the the real challenges for urban districts that that really need more of a voice in congress? What I hearing outside of gun violence being. The very top issue. I think when you go a little bit below just gun violence. You look at why someone would turn to a gun, and in many cases, it's because they don't have a job. And that's what we hear a lot of is that there's not access to cook good paying jobs jobs that would allow for someone to to make a decent living wage, and we need to we need to invest in small businesses. We need to invest in job training. We need to invest in making sure our young people can get into college in the more importantly, make sure that we're providing enough resources for them to graduate college. And then not coming out what so much student debt that they're still in poverty like me. Like, I was when I first graduated from from from college. I graduated with fifty thousand dollars in student loan debt which results in about five hundred dollars per month and student loan payments. If I wasn't fortunate enough to be able to have a good paying job that would have still been in poverty, even if I was making thirty thirty five thousand dollars a year because the amount of money coming on my Bank account, just for student debt, what resulted me being poverty, which I think is an injustice. So I say all that to say that we need to invest in and good paying jobs. So that folks can can can make a decent living wage and live with dignity and not go into more debt, just because they're poor the former president President Obama he says he says it best he says to to be pours extremely expensive. And that's couldn't be any more true than what what it's like living in the some of the urban parts of the first district extremely extremely expensive to be poor. See you said that your campaign is going to be mostly organizers. So this will mean a lot of talking to people. I'm sure as you're talking to people even now are are people thinking about congress people thinking about congressional races. Do they even know it district? They live in or are there concerns? Much more sort of immediate and urgent. And you know, what what are they saying to us professor talking to them where I'm learning and as a first time, quote, unquote politician, and what I've learned as a public servant as people just want to be heard beyond politics, and which level of government. You're you're gonna for people just want want their voices to be respected honored, and they want someone who understands what they're going through. And they also want someone who doesn't look at them as less than they want someone who who's looks at them and knows that an order for for me. Politician to get any of the things I'm saying I want to get done. It's going to require each and every one of us actively working together. And that's that's what I'm hearing all around people. Just people have great ideas. And there's the spirit that's coma. Dating and all across the country in the spirit of tenacity resilience. And this this hopefulness that I would have thought would've starts die down by now. But it's only increasing more and more folks are jumping into the process in being included in that fight for Justice. So let your brand new to this process of running for congress. I in just declared fairly recently the election still a fair amount of time away alot. Of course, the primary is less than a year away. So one of the things that that we hear from candidates often is how much money they need to raise just to to be able to compete in in races. And how much of a process it is to raise that money. Can you talk a little bit about sort of that what that's like as a first time candidate getting into that raising the money and your thoughts then on the role of money in politics, and what it's doing to our political sphere. The role of money in politics. At least for me as a first time candidate has somewhat been discouraging and on in one end because you have to spend about seventy percent of your time on the phone calling folks asking for money, but on the flip side, in the way, which way we've planned and decided to fundraise as they grassroots oriented, and that's talking to small dollar donors, and and teaching them about your campaign in ways that they can get involved that's been the encouraging part about the about money in politics is is focusing on those small dollars, however in federal election in which you have to raise millions of dollars in order to remain viable campaign. It gets really difficult to sustain off simply small dollars. And that's when the call time comes back into into play. And that's time that you can't spend directly in the district on listen to people. So overall what I think we have. To move towards this as a more democratic way of financing campaigns. So that candidates are more accountable to to the people in the district than they are to people outside of the district in some cases calling around asking for money because we we need voices in congress men and all branch of the government, not just congress and all levels of government. Not just federally. We need people that are actually listening to the people getting ideas and being proximate to the issues not so much just focused on on just getting the money for the next election. And maybe in in that way, we can focus more on proximity to this us in being assessable to the people. We could have more Representative government hopefully throughout this campaign. We figure out the secret sauce for for fundraising. So we can spend a little bit more time on the ground hearing people's stories really investing our energy. And allowing are deals to be developed in a participatory fashion. Yeah, that's great for people who aren't as familiar with campaigns. What are some of the things that that money goes toward in campaigns? Like why why do you need to raise so much money to run for office? It's true. Everyone does. But you know, what are what are some of the ways that campaign spend money, so staffing is a is a big part of all campaigns as a candidate. I I'm more of the product. And as the campaign the campaign staff, they're more of the folks that keep the product moving. So you have to invest in your people you have to at least attempt to pay them. So that they can they can live. And so that's one big thing is the staffing. Another big thing is getting votes costs money. So each phone each voter has. As there's a not a price tag on that photo. But ultimately order to engage with that voter, there's there's a price per per interaction. So you have to factor that in and think about literature. How do you even let folks know about your about your campaign and your vision for for the district and office supplies and websites and photos and videos and videos, all these things cost a lot of money? Again, it's it's it's the most encouraging thing about this this campaign as pertains to fund raising are the the small dollars that that come through. I was speaking to to one of my friends a few months ago who donated ten dollars to our can't feign. And then she text me issues like absorb SARS only able to donate ten dollars. And I had to let her know how thankful I was for that for that ten dollars because it meant a lot to me just because I knew she didn't have much, but she believed in something much bigger. And I knew that that ten dollars wasn't going to just me that was going towards what she believed in it was going towards her. She had t- believed in that her ten dollars was just as valuable as someone else's two thousand two thousand dollars. Don't donations. I had to make sure she knew how valuable that. That was and what she was given to if people who are listening want to help your campaign. They they like what they're here. Doing what are some ways that they can help out? Absolutely, thanks for asking. They can go to our website. So our website is Robert S my first name Emmons, E M, S dot work. You can also follow us on Facebook my Facebook. I guess my user name is Robert Emmons junior. And then on Twitter, it's our Emmons twenty twenty. All right. Excellent. We'll put links up safe as well. So that people can find them, Robert. Thank you so much for stopping by my house. This is excellent. And talking to me and thank you for running. I had been joking about running in the first district. But I didn't wanna I didn't wanna move down the street actually live in the first glad that you're running for. Thank you. Today. I am on with Chris Roe who is running for congress in the Tennessee. I district. Hi, chris. Hi, how's it going good? How are you? Thank you for having. Yeah. So could we start with just some background? Can you? Tell me a little bit about yourself. And why you running for congress? Yeah. Sure. And I'll be my best to boil down the Y two short answer. I can. But it's it's a little bit more complicated than just one thing. But myself, I am a six year veteran of the US air force, I served stateside, and in Italy and. Finish that back in twenty four teen. And then went from there transition back into this billion world where I went to college at Lewis university up in Illinois right on the outskirts of Chicago, actually, just graduated there last may with a computer nation systems and racial degree. To get a little bit to the why I'm running I as I'm sure many of your listeners, and probably as well have been watching politics for pretty much entire adult life, and and not been specially happy with the west and things going. It's been a whole lot of. Posted just aren't quite shooting straight with their policies and not really looking out for the best interest of the public, and and just general selfish and not helpful behavior from our elected representatives who are supposed to be just a, and I I was never especially thrilled with it. But I I decided to tell myself for a long time, you know, I would sit there and wait for what I felt like was the best candidates finally show up and somebody that can really throw my support behind. But things getting worse and worse and that Canada never showed up and really kind of final deciding factor for when I was in a jumping politics myself was when I came here for a visit late last year. I I stopped by on a vacation from work, and it was a little bit of visit for my family and. I went to visit my father worth and when I found him. I I was not prepared for what I thought it was as much as price for me. That was my family my father turned around and he was walking with canes. And yeah. Within someone saying that it had started develop developing psychological sent them. Yeah. We had a pretty serious stutter and just had a difficult time talking. And that was that was really painful for me to see. I mean, he's not even sixty years old yet and. He's probably gonna be on the rest of his life. And it was all because just complications for medical issues couldn't get treated because he can get coverage. And that's thanks in no small part to a lot of our likely representatives. You've done out of the way to avoid reforming our medical system. So. That way really heavily on me. When when I went back from my vacation, and it wasn't long after that that I hit everything packed into a truck and moved back down here to be with him and take care of him. And my and I started the process to buy up and be the perfect candidates that I kept waiting for. Sorry to hear about your father. But that makes a lot of senses is something to inspire. You get told me a little bit about the first district of Tennessee, sort of what part of Tennessee is this in Tulsa little bit about just the district. So the first Mr. in Tennessee, it's it's pretty much the north east corner bordering like Virginia and North Carolina. And it covers I little ways in that direction. But it's it's that corner, and it covers all the tri-city area and about as far southwest as Moorestown, I believe and things kind of go and a little bit of a semicircle there. It's not very queens because you know, congressional districts anyway, the the district itself, it's it's very heavily Republican. It has been for a very very long time. It's currently rated. At our plus twenty eight and it really hasn't moved very far in either direction for very very long time. If I win it will be the first democrat to hold the seat and over a century. So it would be a pretty big deal. But regardless of what the environment looks like I feel I get an important fight the fight on all fronts, especially with how much misinformation we have going around, and how much people just wanna make us as Democrats seem like the bad guys. And that's that's just not the case. I the way that it, and I spent a long time really grappling with with what I wanted to do politically in where I found myself. But what it seemed down to for me was the Republican party tends to appease their base by taking away from other people. Just to make their constituents feel like they're better than those people. But the Democratic Party. They focus their efforts on giving more to everyone rather than taking something away to make people feel better. Have you been? I know it's early in the campaign. Have you been out talking to residents of the district? What are the kinds of things you're hearing from them about their concerns? I've talked to some of them, and I get out as much as I can involve myself in smaller community events, especially like, you said is it is there's there's not a whole lot of hard core campaigning going on. But I'm still involving myself in the community and. What I'm hearing really depends heavily on on who I'm talking to obviously. Well, I guess not. So obviously, given how far we are from the border, but emigration is a big issue around here. And there's there's a whole lot of well, we need to make sure the border's there. And and you know, we need that wall. So that we can take care of ourselves and this and that. But. I don't really know that there's a whole lot that I'm gonna be able to do that. We don't need that wall. And I'm not entirely certain what a good way to address that. It's going to be I've worked on it. And I asked people, you know. What is it that illegal immigrants down, which is affecting you personally? And how can I help there because the wall isn't the answer, and it's been proven by research over and over the wall is so what can I do that will improve your life? And I've got to run into a solid well reasoned answer there. And my incumbent actually has somebody that that tends to fall him around as event and related the story of his daughter who was. A victim of a drunk driver who was also undocumented immigrants and. That's that's really complicated issue for me to approach obviously, you know, that the sentiment is that you shouldn't have been in the country to begin with. So this guy's daughter should be alive lifestyle. And that's true. To an extent he broke our laws and within our country, legally, however on the bigger problem was the legal drunken driving because if he wasn't driving under the influence, there wouldn't have been a wreck in the first place. So I mean, we could what if what if what if all day, but the fact that matters. It's an emotional. It's not one base. What are some of the issues that you would like to focus on instead that are really driving you and your campaign, obviously based on you know, what the end of this in the first place. The number one thing that I I my campaign on has been healthcare reform and making sure that we get a plan that covers everyone period because the kind of system it's it's just not working. We're allowing companies to get rich. On the backs of other people who suffer and. We're we're allowing perpetuating system starting right now. And that's that's the one sort of. But beyond healthcare. I believe it is important that we get our education system fixed and fully fund provisional publication that no private schools or will the schools or anything like that. Because we've seen this. They don't work and their money, sinks, and they don't have the kinds of regulations with schools, and they pay the teachers, and and and the list goes on for why we don't need to worry about schools public school. And then the the last one and really the biggest talents that the world right now is environmental policies. I think it's important that we stop subsidizing fossil fuels and things of that nature in the start. We're investing in green energy, we start fixing infrastructure to make it more environmentally friendly. And we start fixing things. So that we actually will be planet for. Our children grandchildren would rather than. So I know that you're a veteran you've said that you're in favor of the second amendment, but would like to see more common sense gun reforms. Could you talk a little bit about that dynamic of being someone who's who's trained on firearms and supports the right of people to own guns. But also thinks that that we need some reforms, and that's that's actually probably been issue. It's been for me with Democrats in the area. Just because part of my my belief on that is that we don't need for the gun ban. I know a lot of people are pushing really hard for an assault weapons ban. But I believe they describing some guns as assault weapons is providing a meaningless station where there's not one. I mean, they all fire bullets. They all kill people. That's. That's. Literally, what a gun was created for was having bandage and marking one thing out on different from another isn't gonna fix the problem. What will fix the problem, however is passing this Latian likely seen in a lot of other states like red flag laws and universal background checks, including private sales and mental health strings and things like that things can actually identify the problem people because that's what has been our issue stories -ly. I mean, just about every mashing we've had recently. There have been people who were concerned about it beforehand. There's been signs and things that we couldn't should have picked up on with. We just didn't because we didn't have the laws in place to executive properly or we didn't have people who cared or any number of other problem, but you know, hundred percent of shooting incidents. There is a person. All that has gone. Away from responsible gun ownership and doing area of willfully breaking the law. Really, what are some of the ways, you know, you mentioned this is in our plus twenty two strict, and you know, it's going to be pretty tough road. But what are some of the things you can that you think you can do to to sort of reach Democrats to reach people who may be you know, independence, or maybe willing to vote for a democrat. You know, what are what are some of the ways you envision your campaign moving forward? So that you're you're able to to flip as many votes as possible. Well, I am working hard says the flip voice and get out there and interact with a lot of people who really haven't had a chance. Said talk to Democrats and learn about our values. They about. What really learn about from the news. And we all know that there's a significant amount of bias in the news hear about how we're socialist. And we wanna take everything from them. And and it to underestimated immigrants and things like that. But. The thing. What it really comes down to is. They're really not that different from us for the most part. And would you actually have a chance to sit down and interact with face to face. It's it's a lot easier. Just have a calm the session with them. And and made clear that this and this, and this is what you wanna do. Like, I wanna make sure that people have health. I wanna make sure that I have an education, and they actually have a solid opportunity to get a wealthy job. When they grow up. I wanna make sure that we leave our environmental decent enough shape that I have a planet when they grow up, and I mean when you sit down and just talk to them about really, the basic policies that your spouse. It's it's a lot easier to win support that way then to try and make it about. Democrats Republicans are about me 'cause you or anything like that. I've approached them calmly, and as a friend or other than as an address but equally important to that. I think flipping district involved. Getting a lot of the younger, folks. More active and interested in politics, because we have huge voter black here that just aren't really all b because of difficulty registering or because of. Just lack of interest in the political system or anything like that. When we start approaching them and addressing what's it stay if we don't start working for our own future. I believe that we can get them active and interested and really start swelling up some of the voting numbers and getting more full on board with helping Tennessee a better place. I read somewhere that the incumbent Representative rose spelled differently than useful your last name actually delivered you when you were born. That is correct. So I I don't know exactly. How old you are exactly hilt? He is. But I assume that makes him at least a fair bit older than you. So I you know, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that sort of bringing new younger energy into congress said I think that's hugely important especially around here because so many people in this area are are Trump supporters not because they feel like Trump was the greatest thing since life read. But because they feel like so many politicians are just droll and boring and don't bring any amount of of energy or care to the position that we have these folks that will stand up on a debate stage, and it's just two guys using the same boring speeches that they've heard forever, and they already know that the one guy that they've been voting for is just gonna keep doing what he's doing. And they haven't seen any significant, you know, negative impacts from it. And they're okay with that. So they just vote for what they know. But. They just get tired of of seeing the same boring politician speech. They always get from everybody. And it's time that you know, like, you said, we do bring some news air into it. And try to help people understand that policy shouldn't be just too old folks standing on a stage arguing back and forth. It should be a discussion that involves everybody young old and in between and. Until we get to a point where people really started seeing the younger folks out there and believing that younger folks, data and ready to make a change. I don't think we're going to get anyone anything else that you wanna make sure we talked about the only thing that I think of beyond that is I guess really that we need to start bring some some integrity backup politics as a whole people have gotten so used to politicians lie all politicians lie. We can ask anybody anywhere and. Do politicians lie and the answer is. Yes, it doesn't matter. If there's one thing that we can unite everyone in agreement on it is politicians lie. And that's a problem. I think it's time that we start renewing the value of integrity and honesty, and our political system and more importantly openness crow has this whole system bills up around him in this area, which is made for a very very slanted political dissection, but. But he puts out this information that. When you look at it. Just right yet kinda true. But it makes people believe that a lot of these things that I believe in a lot of the policies that would really help would be detrimental to them and would also benefit the people that they dislike, and that's that's really problematic because it reinforces the five that. Well, he's telling he's telling me the truth on this policy. And it's gotta be bad because you know, we've elected him this many times and. Until we can start bringing back the value of like full truth. Open honest mediation of of what policies gonna do wind up with more nuggets. Life HR one is bad because it a British some people's right to freedom speech. And that was on his face one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard anything directly from photos now. And what he meant when he said that. Was that we would be overturning citizens United and abridging the right of companies as people to use money as the. So it would cut off some of his big is the point. And it was just wild to me. How many people went? Yeah. That makes sense thanks for for that. Aren't they voting against that? It's I would like to help out your campaign. How can they do that? Actually just this week. I we put up a brand spanking new website, fully redesigned and Stu Shepard new services, a local Justice city company, and that is Chris row for congress that. Or they can. To me sweater at Christopher T N one. And I am very fond to anybody I love especially folks that wanna get involved in and help with the campaign, but I just random questions at one point. I had a guy sent me a message via the campaign website and asked what my MLS was the year four, and I was like, well, you know, to be clear we didn't have more or we had season. I got into a special time about what I did hear force. But we do have a full contact page there. If anybody wants to invite me events in wants to plan of it is all included on the web page, and I am more than happy to talk with anybody who is. Involved or interested in getting involved in the political process. All right. Excellent will put links up to that on our website. So people can find you very much. So Chris thanks so much for taking the time to talk with me today. And thank you for stepping up and running. I think it's so important that people run even these districts that seem really difficult like a long road. 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Molly Gray, Tim Ashe, and Hunter Education
"From Radio Vermont it's the Dave Graham show on W.. DV. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you. Now. Here's your host Dave Graham. Good Morning Vermont. He is Wednesday, the twenty ninth of July twenty twenty and we got a good show lined up for you today. We've got a primary coming up on August eleventh. Folks are trying to figure out which of those Democrats or Republicans. They want to select four Lieutenant Governor and governor and. Some of the other offices are relatively unpopulated on the ballot. Shall we say may be having incumbent running for re? Election. Or a little bit of competition I think there's actually primary for state auditor on the democratic side involving Doug Hoffer the competent Linda, joy Solomona challenger, they're. They're both running for the Democratic nomination. But the the the two top offices, gunners office and Lieutenant Governor Office seemed to be drawing a lot of the action this year and we're going to have to candidates on democratic side for Lieutenant Governor joining us this morning molly gray will be on the phone with us in the first segment of the program and just a couple of minutes and the followed by Tim Ashe the current president pro tem Vermont Senate Molly Grave Courses assistant attorney general in the state of Vermont and We do have Molly Gray, but actually, I, tell you in in the latter hour of the program we're GONNA be talking about hunting. The calendar keeps turning hunting season will be here before you know it and there's some hunter instruction going the department of fish and wildlife where they're really stepping it up. Getting, the staff and volunteers out there to go one on one with hunters new hunters especially those who don't come from a hunting background. You know the tradition to remind I. Think was for a lot of families to past that that activity down from from generation to generation. So often you had young young folks out with their with their parents or grandparents learning how to learn how to hunt and less of that going on these days. So a little more of the folks who are doing hunting stepping up to volunteer to train others as well as the. Department of fish and wildlife will be hearing about that in the second hour of the program. But let's start right off with a volley. Great. Who I believe is now on the phone with us this morning there mentioned she currently holds position of Attorney Assistant. Attorney General. For the state of Vermont and. Working, with, of course, Attorney General Tj Donovan and then she is running for Lieutenant Governor and Molly Gray good morning and thank you very much for joining me. Good morning thanks so much for having me on. Great to be back on the all. Glad to do it so. Obviously we are pretty much in the home stretch of this campaign here the election is less than two weeks away and remind us our tell us In our listeners out there just how it's a pretty big field running for the Democratic nomination for Lieutenant, Governor on what issues do you want to try to distinguish yourself? Absolutely again, thanks for having me on I grew up in rural Vermont and we're really proud product of Vermont's education system. I've worked in Washington for Congressman Peter Welch and across the state and what I continue to hear from Vermont owners is that we have massive demographic challenges. We've failed to figure out how to keep a generation here or draw generation to the state and it just so happens at the same. Generation wanting to live and stay in Vermont. Issues that have been facing with Cova nineteen access to affordable quality childcare equal access to broadband across Vermont and I'd love to talk more about that today if I can access to paid family and medical leave so we can care for older Vermont and also have children and and pay the bills. proper workforce development with investments in our state colleges and the list goes on. So I think a lot of Vermont's feel that we've failed to take bold action on a number of the key priorities and issues that are going to make Vermont resilient prosperous equitable for the future. And you sort of put an asterisk next to the next to the words broadband and I'm wondering or the word broadband. I'm wondering what is your proposal about broadband and and how are you going to move the needle here given that a lot of the. Vermont, Talk About this for twenty years or so. It's true I. Mean I think it's kind of that perennial issue that comes up and I guess my question is, how is it then and twenty twenty that seventy thousand homes and businesses across Vermont? Still don't have proper access. For Teachers for our parents for students and they've really been on the frontlines of feeling that impact right our when our schools closed in. March. What I know from talking to to teachers, there are a lot of teachers around the state who could not access students at all because of a lack of Internet access, you know one in three children U. Very. where I grew up, still can't get online today and I think if we just took a step back and twenty twenty imagine seventy thousand homes not having access to water or heat or electricity, we would be outraged and I. Think it's time to be outraged in a good way about. Vermont is not having access to the highway. If we think about Internet as a highway at highway telemedicine, a highway to remote work a highway to economic opportunity, and if you have a business, you need internet online learning basic information about public safety and health during this global pandemic. So I wanNA, just recognize the challenge, and then in terms of how we saw that I think we need to. Work really closely with our congressional delegation. To make sure we can absorb any federal funding that can come this way to help address. The broadband needs here in Vermont and then work with our Communication Union districts. We have a lot of experience in this state about how to deploy broadband and to begin doing it right now, and it will be complicated and it will take time. But if we don't start and we've had a big delay I think that's part of the problem there this hasn't been a priority we've left a lot of Vermont, is behind so we need some new leadership and we need to. Begin to get it done immediately. I also be expensive. How do you pay for it? Well, that's that's where I think federal funding is extremely important but broadband is one of the greatest economic opportunities for Vermont. If we talk about our demographic challenges for just a second, we have more deaths than births in a majority of Vermont counties, and that's that's bleak in Orange County. We have more lights off than lights on there's no way generation generations going to want to move to. Incredible Orange County or Washington county are places where we have great communities. If there's no way in twenty twenty, you can get online. So I think it's The funds that come from our federal delegation we need to also look at our own budget and figure out how we align our budget with our greatest needs and make this investment where we will see a massive return on investment. There's no question about it. One thing that that has has occurred to. So folk says, as especially is schools went online. In March for the balance of the just completed academic year, and now we're looking forward to maybe some some form of hybrid education or something in in school districts in the fall and I wanNA talk a little bit more about that but you know. State Law, says that every Vermont Child has a has the right to a publicly funded education if broadband is going to be a really integral tool to that public education or any education Are we gonNA end up declaring that everyone has a right to broadband access. Incredibly important point I I. think There's a lot of merit to your question. The fact is right now. I think intended counterparts of the Burlington Area School district. Students are moving to and parents are preparing for a fall where there will be two days in the classroom in three days online. You to tell school districts in Orange County or Washington county or the northeast kingdom down in southern Vermont. But that was the path forward. There's no way that would work I mean it I can't emphasize this issue enough. You know we were just down in in Randolph doing a press conference with teachers from Brookefield and one teacher three fourths of for students could not get online. There's there's no ability to access them so. I, think there is a direct link between access to education in a global pandemic as we're experiencing right now and let's recognize this is. The a unique situation we haven't experienced anything like this in over a century, but if we're going to be resilient and prepared for the future, this is one thing that we can focus on now and it's just about basic equity. For Rural Vermont you know in addition to education as I said, it's also businesses and economic development. It's a it's uneconomic. At least we're told this it's uneconomic for eighty att or comcast or other Big Internet service provider to To roll fiber down these rural roads where you might only have to to customers in the course of a mile of dirt road. and it's probably on economic if you really look at it in these terms to send a school bus down the same road to pick up one or two kids we do. The ladder should should the state of Rhode Start to consider rural broadband more of a public sector activities than the private sector activity. Yes. I think as I mentioned earlier if we started to if we thought about broadband in the same way that we think about water electricity as a utility and there was a decision I think back in the eighties federally to not think about Internet access that way but I think there's an area where we have to ship our minds that we have to shift it as a public good as a public utility, and then the funding and the framework chef. So I I think that it's important to recognize in this moment where we're seeing the divergence of so many different issues, right? National Divisiveness, massive economic upheaval. global pandemic, a health crisis we have to think about some of our basic needs as a state, a new healthcare childcare paid family medical leave. So our parents can get back to work. Our families can get back to work and care for a loved ones access to higher education workforce development. I'd love to talk more about food food security and food resilience supporting our farmers. We have an opportunity to think about things in new and to take some really bold action. That's GonNa make it more economically viable for the future and I. That's what I think. The unique role of the lieutenant governor can be like to see it be that if elected. Let's take a call from looks like Dan from Essex's call good morning did. Morning. So molly forgive me but you sound like you're all over the place and you don't know which of your priorities, the focus in on but I wanna come back to the. The Internet question and broadband. So you said it's going to be one of our greatest economic opportunities, how much money since you've researched so much how much money do we expect to generate in tax revenue by reaching out to all these brought places with? And who would pay for and how much Vermont? TAXPAYERS GOING GONNA pay for it. Very, simple question. Molly what are you? What are you say? Dan Thanks so much for your question. I think there isn't one simple answer. Then broadband is a p a piece of the economic picture for the future of Vermont. I'm running for Lieutenant, Governor, because we have not figured out how to keep generation in this state, we haven't figured out how to draw generation back with all due respect to the caller. We still don't have access to affordable childcare rate of a generation isn't going to want to stay here and live and work raise a family. If there's no access to childcare the same goes for the family and medical leave we are in a crisis right now where our parents were. Our families are trying to figure out how to get back to work, and we haven't put the support systems in place to make that viable economically viable viable in terms of family security and the same is true for broadband. I know that with our federal allegation. We can get the support that we need to make sure that we have a budget that is aligned with our greatest needs in this moment and to make some strategic investments and I won't give dollar by dollar breakdown for taxpayers but it's time for us to look out for Rural Vermont into look out for communities. Sounds like Dan Hannah fall ill. You Molly is sounds like you really haven't thought this through what are the first ECHINACEA third steps that needed to be done. You went all over the place and that's my problem when I listened to you talk and that just recently listened to you. It doesn't sound like you understand sequentially what needs to be done in your shop running everything. It would help if you could get some things in priority and this is what we're going to do I, and this is what we're going to do second. but You keep going all over the place and your message is just messy and I apologize you know. You know good low in the race. Yeah. All right. Thanks thanks for the call Dan appreciate it. molly would give me an example of. The dance question and I really appreciate him taking the opportunity to call in. there isn't one simple solution and I think that's that's what we all need to recognize in this moment, right? The, the challenges that we failed on a number of fronts and we're seeing the result that. Bras I think his question really goes to what would you? Imagine writing, imagine helping you to write a bill in the legislature, which is designed to bring broadband out to to the rural parts of Vermont where it doesn't currently exist would the would sort of section one of the bill talk about revenues, what taxes you would raise what would it talk about or would it? Would it be budget budget proposal? How much money would we be putting on the table I think what he's looking for is know some sort of concrete. Numbers in actual step-by-step actions. Yeah, absolutely, and let's get into it. So. I would ask that legislature fully adopt the emergency broadband package that was put forward by June Tierney, the Commissioner of public surface. She put that out in in May and it's an incredibly comprehensive plan that not only addressed the need with specific data but also the potential revenue sources I would then work with our federal delegation. We've received one trench of money already coming into permanent where planning to receive another to make sure that there is adequate funding for broadband for our state. There isn't an easy solution when it comes to broadband, we can't lay fiber cables across Vermont in the next five months my understanding from talking to our communications, Union district but it it will take time. But if we don't ride some initial funding now it's not going to happen. So we've allocated I believe twelve million dollars that there's an rfid process that's running as we speak that's an good start but I think our next step is revisiting that broadband package when the legislature comes back in the fall working with our congressional delegation and allocating remaining funding. Okay. we I wanted to cover. Obviously there are some other issues out there and talk about and let's Let's zero in on heading back to school in the fall we hear a lot of different proposals and plans out there Montpellier I think actually has the idea of just asking parents. Do you want your kids to be home this fall or do you want your You want your kids to be in. School and then what you make that decision you you basically stick to it and the school system will offer up regular classes or some sort of what worth a crawling virtual academy. You know that's one approach and other approach. Obviously do this a day by day thing where kids are in school on Tuesdays and Thursdays at home Monday Wednesday Friday, or something like that. Do you have any sort of preferred approach here Molly Gray? I do I think the most important thing is that we put our teachers at the forefront in helping US figure out how to implement got different guidelines that are coming out through the Department of Education have been in regular contact with the Vermont any a trying to understand what they see as the greatest need talking to our teachers around the state. But again, this is an area where we have to step back and recognize the needs chin. County right where we may have adequate access to broadband internet and the needs of Orange County in Washington county in southern Vermont are going to be different. And this is an area where we need to support our teachers support our school districts. Figuring to figure out what are the? The physical infrastructure needs if our schools around ventilation around two nurses of the physical space but then also what are the needs if we have to move back into a quasi. In class online learning situation. What does that look like whether it's an Internet access? So My greatest focus is making sure our. Had the every support that they need. They are heroes in this process and that there are at the table in all making. To feel like they've been neglected up to now. I think there could be greater efforts to keep them at the table. My understanding is that there's been a lot of discussion between Vermont NEA and the Department of Education that there was an initial task force guidelines that were put forward. But I don't think enough has been done and more that more could be done and should be done starting today You know we've moved the start date. For, schools back a believe to September eighth after Labor Day I suspect about date may need to adjust again it's not a lot of time and I teach at night myself in preparing for the fall and It's it's a very, very dynamic and adopted firemen. So I think it's making sure that the unique needs of our teachers and our communities in schools are constantly being met as a situation evolves. You Talk, you've talked a couple of times about younger people especially leaving Vermont or not enough younger people moving into Vermont we have this demographic generational. Challenge here, and and and and one of the reasons for that you say is inadequate childcare in Vermont are the Destination States the states where the twenty two year old college graduate may be moving to from here Do they do they necessarily have better access to childcare and how what are they doing? The Vermont isn't doing that is attracting these young people. Well my focus first and foremost is on our home state and the needs of our communities. I'm not going to reflect on where students are going but I, think. Traditionally. If we talk about higher education in Vermont, we have the highest graduation rate from high school in the country I. think that's pretty incredible. Yet forty one percent of our graduates don't go onto any additional education or training I'd love to talk about support for. VTC. Northern Vermont University and making access to community college available. but there's a generation that also leaves remind right and we I think sometimes encourage that go out st the world built expertise but you know you can always come home and something. That's really special. Vermont as you leave the state but the state never leaves you we have a deep connection to our communities, our families, and I feel that myself and my own personal experience. And then there's this moment where I want to come home. I want to come home to be closer to aging parents. I WANNA come home because I want to raise my children in the community where I grew up I want to give back to the state that I love. And then when I hear again and again is that there's a generation that looking around and trying to figure out. Okay. Where can I find a job? Can I afford housing it's expensive if I wanNA, have children, where am I going to access childcare and how much does that cost? And then you start. Thinking about the paycheck and how many different ways we end up chopping it up childcare is extremely expensive and it. It's just we've made it really hard to make ends meet here Vermont. and. The truth is GonNa. In talking to, let's grow kids one of the most incredible childcare advocacy groups in our state. And investment in childcare. Let's say it's you know thirty three million, which is what the estimated need is died allows parents to go to work. That allows our economy to drive. That allows us to have more people in the workforce. And and to expand our tax base, which is what we need to do as a state if we're going to thrive. So it's one of the greatest I think. Investments we can make you know in addition to investments like broadband that create economic opportunity, create vitality instability, and a time when we need that to be resilient moving forward. Younger folks phase, not only child care and housing costs under quite. But a third factor in many household many is house especially for people in their twenties and thirties big student loan bills And you know a debt repayments and I'm wondering To what degree? The reason I asked the question where I did a moment ago is trying to figure out you know are are there any other states that are doing things that are maybe have have really stepped up child-care funding or have gone to student loan forgiveness or have? subsidized housing or whatever that could be models for Vermont. In our these places necessarily. Succeeding, doing those things in attracting people who are moving out of Vermont move there. That's what that's what I was going. I mean I understand you're you're more focused for. But. You also gotTa Kiana Competition Right. Yeah absolutely. I think the bigger the question is if we look at what's happening in rural America. The visit the same issues of of the issues facing Vermont are the issues facing rural America. You know, how do you keep a generation and? rural parts of state in rural parts of America, and what we know from just looking around our state is that we have massive recruitment and retention challenges in the jobs we need right now for communities to be old nurse nurses. Educators are our heroes and essential workers are our electricity are plumbers, solar panels, technicians. There's so many ways we could be innovating. Right. Now, to meet the needs of our communities yet, we've had this gap where we have the highest high school graduation rate. We have forty one percent of our graduates that don't go onto any additional education, and yet we have good high paying jobs, the McClure Foundation to the study of Vermont. We had sixty two areas where we have high paying jobs right now. So I see this is an opportunity and we see this in this happening in some other states where you make investments in CCD making it accessible making it affordable. Investments in our state colleges right sizing then. So there's not a lot of duplication and we failed to do that and we failed to invest in our state colleges. You failed to come up with a real plan for workforce development and we're seeing the impact of that. Now is the time to bridge that gap so that our graduates are communities. have people going into existing jobs I, mean that's another area where we want to resilient economy we have to make some investments and we'll see the return on investment. As. Lieutenant Governor Those are my priorities and I think we have a really unique opportunity to bring someone in who has a fresh perspective. while. The real diversity of experiencing someone who's been through our education system from. Pre k. all the way through college and Law School as lived and worked across the state who knows the needs of our rural communities. But also has a state wide experience to get things done for Vermont. So international experience to you were Switzerland for a while and and where else. Yeah. It's true. spent some time in. Two thousand seven two thousand eight hundred nine working for the International Committee of the Red Cross running field missions into conflict zones to promote human rights and Humanitarian Assistance working in the Congo to address sexual violence a working. In places like Haiti and Uganda I also work with the State Department. And US government to help launch the first International Association in the World To hold private contractors accountable for human rights abuses and I've led missions into Baghdad and Bhadra into the Niger. Delta. in east Africa and feel really proud of that work and the ability to bring experience working in crisis and working in places of. Conflict and and it really difficult situations home government at a time. When we're you know we're in a pretty unique moment and we have to make decisions that are really going to put the needs of our Vermont or is at the forefront. allred will Molly Gray Democratic candidate for Lieutenant Governor I really appreciate you joining me this morning. It's a good talking with you and Good luck on the last couple of weeks of the campaign leading up to the primary here. It's August eleventh folks don't forget to get those. Mail in ballots in and thank you again, Molly. Thank you so much for having me and you're right. We're just two weeks out I. Look Forward To. Working really hard for Vermont unifying our state and helping to take us forward. Already. Molly Gray She's from Newbury Vermont and is has been working most recently as an assistant attorney general in the Attorney General's office in my earlier, and she is the One of the Democratic candidates. For Lieutenant, Governor a primary of August eleventh will decide who the nominee is going to be The office currently is open because Lieutenant Governor? David? Ackerman is running. For, governor we're hoping to get a day on the show sometime in the coming days we are also going to be speaking with a lot of are other candidates for Lieutenant Governor and governor including just a couple minutes to mash and other Democrat running for Lieutenant Governor of state of Remond. We'll be back here on the Dave Ramsey show, which is a couple minutes stay with us. Itching to get out, explore our great state, Don Your Mask and come to the Warren. Store and the beautiful. Mad River valley stores open to a limited number of customers upstairs and down Jili take out by phone or window but you can finally choose beer wine ships, etc. No appointment needed upstairs well-stocked with cool summer clothing cards, candles, bags, and jewelry puzzles and toys for all ages art supplies, books, and Interactive Learning Games are your kids board and driving you crazy bring them to the warrants store practicing all safe protocols masks required. It's the day Graham Show wd FM and am. Thanks staying with us in the second half hour of our program on this Wednesday morning July, the twenty ninth and. Just. Under two weeks to go before August. Eleventh primaries I mentioned We had one of our Democratic candidates for Lieutenant Governor, Molly Gray on in the first half hour of the program this morning we had a follow that with the next up in the batting order. Tim Ashes the President Proteomic Vermont? Senate. He's also running for governor as are handful of other Democrats and wanted to bring in some of the candidates to see what they wanna tell us in the last couple of weeks heading into the primary voting here. Of course, a lot of voting is already happening with people doing mail in ballots sets a big thing. The state is pushing this year they want to limit the number of folks who are actually going to the polls on election day I don't have to you won't have to worry about. Whether somebody is standing. Within six feet of you in that voting line, etc and so get the mail in ballot early and you're all set anyway let's bring into mash is been a guest on the day. Graham show a number times talking mainly about what's going on in the legislature where he is the senior Democrat in the Senate. And? Good Morning Tim thank you very much for joining me. Good Morning David. So, your candidacy for Lieutenant Governor I asked Molly Gray this question at the top of our last half hour interview and I just. Wanted to put the same basic you, which is what issues do you see as distinguishing you from the other candidates for Lieutenant Governor on the Democratic side? Well I think there's really two. The first is A real track record results in terms of the major policy issues facing the state. Everything from raising the minimum wage protecting victims, women's reproductive rights, economic development you name it. I've had my hand in it helped helped advance major legislation, but I think more timely is experienced directly confronting a major crisis and. The pandemic that we've been facing has really I, signed up for leadership position when I became president of the Senate I did not. Didn't really anticipate a global pandemic, but the last four months I have had to step up and help lead the state through this and. I have very deep appreciation knowing what's under the hood of State budget state government are interplay with the private sector and nonprofits about the journey ahead, and so you know when I'm out campaigning and someone says, what's your top issue? I, say getting Vermont back on its feet. getting through the public health element of this in the economic component are the top priority and anyone who has a different top priority is I think missing what's really going on up there? And Talk to us a little bit about this process of getting Vermont back on its feet in and the first thing I think we need to is have a real realistic picture of kind kinda where we are now. Is. Is Vermont like You know three quarters of the way down to having backside on the floor completely down with his backside on the floor or just a slight crouch. You're I don't know if this is the right metaphor. Yeah. I mean, how bad is it out there I get your point on your metaphor I won't maybe a pick the posture but you know I'll say I never thought these words quite come out of my mouth as as a statement as a candidate profits but I've I'm quite proud that the legislature did the very unglamorous being in recent years with the speaker and me in our leadership roles which is. Socks money away in our states reserves because. We are going to be able to whether some of the worst of the economic hit we're facing because we built up pretty solid reserves and national policy shops said Vermont is actually in one of the best positions financially to weather the storm So. I I I take you know I mean obviously. It's a great worry. The budget hole is not small but we do have significant reserves to help mitigate. The, kind of austerity cuts that some people are fearing and you know the other thing is the flexibility that people have been showing whether it's small business community larger employers nonprofits people have been pretty ambidextrous through this whole thing to keep taking the best information available and make the make the best decisions with that information, and then as the information changes keep recalibrating and so Vermont size access to government resources I think puts us in a pretty good position. So while I very much appreciate the severity of the problem, I'm also very confident that we'll be able to get to the other side of this quicker than many other states. A big issue for your phone. Molly Gray she talked about quite a bit in the first half hour broadband deployment around state. This is really been pointed up in in the last few months with the schools being shut down and with people trying to rely on remote learning mainly by computers and the Internet talked to us a little bit about your your thoughts on how big an issue is Vermont's lack of ubiquitous broadband access. Yeah I mean it's it's been a perennial discussion and You'll remember governor Douglas promising one hundred percent coverage any and to their credit. They worked very hard to try to achieve it. It just didn't come off Governor someone was at first talking about one hundred percent coverage, and then that sort of went away and I think governor Scott learned from his predecessors not to make that promise in really it's that last mile challenge and even some Middle Mile Challenge and the price tag for Vermont to do it without. Federal. Resources has been pegged at just massive sums of money. So it's not for lack of identifying the problem that we still have these gaps in coverage. It's the resources that really it will take and back during the Obama Administration when we were in the great recession coming out of it. Federal put one hundred twenty million dollars into one company in Vermont to provide a fairly untested wireless high speed Internet you every unserved address and Vermont. Many of us were very much hopeful that that would finally close that last mile gap. Well, that company didn't quite perform and they provide service very few people outside of their core area springfield. So. What I believe we need to do now is be ready for an infusion of federal structure dollars I, have written to the congressional delegation encouraging them instead of having a federal bureaucracy, distribute the money largely to dig telecom giants around the country to do broadband block grants to states so that it will be the state itself who is distributing the funds to both private and nonprofit providers. Of Telecom services because frankly we on the ground, know what we need better than a federal agency will and we can hold people accountable. So it is a problem and We've got great energy at the community level dozens of towns have come together now to form what they call Telecom Union districts so that when these are available from the Fed's will be ready to strike quick. I mean you you mentioned that the hundred twenty million dollars go into private telecom firm based in Springfield and as you say, it didn't pan out quite is quite as initially advertised is there. Is. There any thought to the notion that That maybe the private sector has had a chance for a long time now that this is more of a public sector thing that needs to happen. Well I it's or quasi public. I think you know entities like e c fiber, which is sort of a group of community coalition CV fiber, which is now getting a foothold in central Vermont There's a group of communities in the Northeast Kingdom. Down in Windham county even some in Bennington Rutland area and basically they're tired of waiting. They're tired of waiting for the four profits to go where it's hasn't been economically viable in the past. So then of course, there's the other side of it. You know we often hear about the lack of availability we also have to and I encourage the federal delegation in this regard to they push broadband have to also be focusing on the accessibility meaning having a price that people can afford to pay on just like we have people. school age kids who are at the end of long dirt roads in rural towns who just can't get online because it doesn't it's not available. We have kids in my neighboring community of Wenski who it's not for lack of options that parents can't afford the price in either instance the kid can't participate in remote learning. So we really have to be keeping an eye on both sides of that coin in terms of broadband making sure it's available but then also making sure it's accessible from a price point of view. Two four, four, one, seven, seven, seven is the local number in watery one, eight, seven, seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five, or Tunein. Nine one talk is the toll free number four, wd EVI and believe we have Jason on the line from Burlington Good Morning Jason. Hey, thanks for taking my call. Sure Kim I watched the effort last year to get paid family leave passed in Vermont and from the outside and somebody who doesn't follow state politics too much. It kind of looked like the Senate and the house were tripping over each other and couldn't figure out how to work together to pass something that everybody clearly wanted and I think. About I'm looking for a candidate that's going to give us. Leadership. That actually focuses on goals and doesn't get stuck in what looked like a whole lot of politicking. I was kind of disappointed watching how that all unfolded? Can you talk a little bit about what happened there and why we didn't get paid family leave last year when it looked like everybody wanted it. To Ash. Yeah. Sure. Thing. Jason You know it's it's worth. Remembering that in two thousand eighteen. the speaker and I working with leadership and the committees on both sides, the House and the Senate. Did Pass paid family leave bill and the minimum wage bill both of which were vetoed by Governor Scott Twenty eighteen. So in two thousand nineteen, we came back and we thought well, we can't quite do the exact same thing because we know where that landed last time and there's no question we struggled to figure out what the sweet spot was and in the final negotiations, we had three members of the Senate senators, Michael Iraq in Beca balanced and Alison. Clarkson has our negotiating team. They were trying to find the sweet spot on the paid family leave bill in the minimum wage bill and. You know the the the it just didn't come off the pressure at the end of the session There were of both sides who were dissatisfied with the others position and it didn't come off and so the speaker and I right after the session ended we got a regroup said. The moment we come back. We gotta get these things finished. We were like here his wits away and right out of the gates we passed both the paid Leesville and the minimum wage bill on the minimum wage bill did override the governor just barely and on the paid families bill we had marshalled veto proof majority on our side of the house. a couple of people who had we had thought would vote yes. Flipped and voted no and so they missed it by one. So you know in two, thousand, nine, hundred, the end, the session obviously as any leader, you take responsibility for when things don't go your way but two times with pass paid family leave three times I think we have voted for minimum wage and I'm totally confident that in twenty twenty, one paid family leave will become the law of the state. And Are you expecting those a possible another gubernatorial veto twenty, twenty, one I if governor Scott is reelected. Well. It obviously depends on who the governor is and and whether the attitude of governor Scott if he is reelected changes at all you know. There was always time for people to revisit their positions. Governor has said he's not opposed to paid family leave. He did not like the mandatory nature. We of course argued that if it wasn't mandatory, the system would collapse very quickly under its own weight. So the real question is a few of the House members. Who voted no on whether to override the governor Will they get unseated? In their own districts and a few people have competitive primaries largely as a result of that vote and we'll some other people say you know what Kobe has helped explain why this is so critical for people and my earlier opposition is GonNa flip. So I believe either the governor will revisit his position or more likely that last House vote if necessary can be attained either through. The primary process or power persuasion based on the covert experience. and. The A lot of Vermont's rural hospitals were. In hurting and financial shape before the covid crisis hit and wondering what do you think healthcare will look like in should look like in Vermont in twenty. Twenty five. Well I think from the hospital point of view you know it. It's absolutely true that the smallest hospitals in Vermont and we have a number of small hospitals are facing serious financial pressure some of it I won't get into the gory weeds of how Medicare pays more rural areas where there's higher percentage of Medicare people that puts specific strain on them. But I really think you know the idea of some kind of global budgeting so that a small community hospital knows how much money it has to work with on a predictable basis in doesn't have to go out and try to find a profit center so that it can and the year in the black each year the current. Health care. Reform efforts in Vermont. They try to achieve that result by slightly more complicated measure but I think if we can get to a fixed budget with a growth rate that's reasonable for monitors to pay that will put those providers in good standing but I also want to make sure we're not forgetting about everybody from dentists to mental health professionals the organizations that serve people with substance. Abuse. Disorders. independent physicians all. Those. Practices. Face. Similar pressure and in some ways as we come to more appropriately view health from the from the preventative side of things we have to make sure that we don't let the preventive practices fall by the wayside in order to prop up the most you know well resourced hospital. So for my point of view, it's it's really moving the resources as up stream in the in the health process as possible which in the long term wealth, save us money avoid the kind of expensive. which are really really rough on state budgets, personal finances, and really putting the hurt on business costs. He I want to ask you to him what what does it look like to you for returning the school in the fall is the state striking the right balance between public S-, public safety, public health, and the need to get our kids educations resumed. Well. Let me just start by saying that the the there is no simple solution to how to approach the fall school Calendar I. Have Watch the governor and secretary of Education Struggle with striking that balancing act between you know keeping people safe but also making sure kids don't fall behind educationally and this particular concern for lower income students and students with special needs So I I WANNA commend van for delaying the start date of September eighth the amount of confusion at the local level about how schools were supposed to operate in late August it was just too overwhelming to believe that. It could all get together in such a short period of time. So I think that's the first order businesses commending the governor and secretary for making that call and I think you know what where things are starting to call. That makes a lot of sense having adults back in the school to talk through the practicality of different strategies of. in person and remote learning. getting in touch with the families themselves in the students to check in and see how comfortable people are with the particular options. and then have some measures by which the different educational approaches can proceed you know under what circumstances will people be sent back home under which circumstances will things open up more fully and that it sounds like a modest amount of time just the two additional weeks that have been. Purchased by the decision yesterday but I think that two weeks might make all the difference. So I think it's very, very good move. And in terms of when School finally does commence Do you see that the state OUGHTA BE Issuing directives that apply to districts pretty uniformly around Vermont or do you think that individual school districts should be able to make their own decisions and kind of fashion their own systems for how to operate in the fall? Well I would like to schedule to be as aligned as possible anywhere in the state at a minimum within supervisory ings If you have parents with kids in two different schools, for instance, if they are not on the same. Schedule's roughly it makes household. You know the balancing act for households absolutely excruciating having the schedules more or less aligned. With state basically setting the tone does allow for the resolution of childcare issue and what what people are GonNa do who have to be at work, but whose kids may be in an off day where they're supposed to be learning remotely. Or in need of childcare school care. So in that sense, I think the state has to show the leadership and really try to conform all the district's two one, a rough schedule and and we need to be giving clarity about what the physical space requirements are going to be an how we're GONNA help them pay for it. One of the things we did before leaving for the summer in the legislature was made sure some money was left aside so that if there are extraordinary costs associated with getting kids back safely, we would be able to draw on some of the federal funds which frankly were issued to us. In part for that very reason. One of the long term challenges of the state. Of Vermont, we've heard about it now for for more than a decade and probably will for more than a decade to come. Is the demographics of the state we aging population are are the generation that Folks in their twenties and thirties, and so on seems to be hollowed out for some reason. I'm wondering what you think about the. How to how to address those problems and and some of the problems, economic problems and other problems that stem from the from from that situation. Yeah I mean it's it's been in challenge facing not just Vermont. But rural areas for basically twenty years and just because everyone else is experiencing, it doesn't mean it's not a real problem. It absolutely is You know we've seen attempts to try to alert people to the state with shiny objects. You know sometimes they have good marketing affect that they really don't fundamentally alter the demographic. So for my point of view, we should all step back and make the top priority getting the most out of people who already live here and For years. I've been talking about one of the one of the kind of silent problems we face, which is several thousand kids a year graduating from high schools. They don't go on to further their education at any level and many of them don't actually get into the workforce, and so they're just drifting along and falling through the cracks I believe we need a much more aggressive approach to make sure that we're getting. Those young people, Sorta hardwired and some experience so that the moment they graduate high school whether it's for more education or having job skills, they go out to work that they're ready. You know one of the things I've been talking about in working with some people on some ideas outside the State House is a Youth Service Corps where we take something like Vermont. US Conservation Corps model but go big with it and really make a big bet in young people who already live here so that they can fulfil their potential and especially for kids who don't have families who are able to provide the kind of support and resources that. Can help pave the way for. To about out of time, I WANNA. 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I, think in a few minutes about hunting and Vermont and about a new effort to step up hunter education, maybe fill the gap that has left by the fact that a lot of young folks Vermont, these days are not learning about hunting and fishing and things like that from parents or grandparents anymore that used to be the tradition but You've broken down a little bit also means there are few people getting any of these activities, state officials with the Department of fish and wildlife are working on trying to. Address. That by stepping up SA- Volunteer Hunter Safety Training and also getting their their own staff more involved in working individually with people who wanNA take up hunting even if they never had a family tradition of doing that. So you go that is interesting development there Normally this time of the day Graham, shall we go to a of our national correspondents oftentimes? CBS News very kindly. A reporter who can devote some time to talking to our radio station listeners here up Vermont. this morning. Unfortunately, that did not work out. So what I'm GONNA do instead I'm going gonNA open the phone lines two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven there are always open but I sometimes I, say when open the phone lines is in if you had any temptations to call in maybe during the last couple of segments of the show here now's your chance because Don't have a online taking up. The time and happy to have listeners check in with us two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven is the local number in Waterbury the toll free number one, eight, seven, seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five. Here's a kind of an interesting little story. Out of ANY S N the headline is New York. A women's obituary made hatred of quarterback Tom Brady well-known. This somebody from Lackawanna New York, which is out near Buffalo. it says screw says people from New York typically aren't fans of Boston sports teams, and that certainly was the case for one locker one on New York woman. Carol Scarsella who was from the city just outside of buffalo died July nineteenth through her obituary explained that she was a big fan of the New York Yankees and Lebron James he plays. He plays for the Lakers by the way now used to play for Cleveland and that's sort of near Buffalo maybe that explains but it be the obituary reads as any normal one would noting who she's leaving behind what she enjoyed doing who are favorite author was that the one thing that notice we stood out quote she hated Tom Brady the obituary said. So this an interesting question I think for for listeners out there. If you're a sports fan and you like your hometown team root for them and stuff does that necessarily involve hatred of the team and? Is, is that something that's required to be a fan of your own team? And let's go to let's go to d. from Duxbury and hear what's on your mind this morning de what's going on. I just want to talk about the hunting thing. Yes sure. Boys are now thirty, two and thirty My thirty year old is really hunting took off for him. I went under safeties horse with both of them and Thirty two year. Old Man. He did he went in the are he's in the army but. He wasn't into hunting and I think what happened with him? Is that when he first went out, he went out with his brother yet bb gun every little and. He shot a flying. Squirrel. He felt so bad. He was in tears. Mom I didn't think I was going to kill it. So anyway, but I think hunter safety is a good idea. And I. You know I think one of the reasons. One reason is the people are not hunting because. People are not maybe interested in it as much but I also think of the population. Demographics. Yeah that's that is a good point Obviously to have young people taking up hunting, you have to have young people. We've talked about a number of times when this on Graham Show your Wd FM, and am about the fact that Vermont seems to have a dearth of young people that just look at the look at the population figures for different age brackets and you can see that. some of it is people moving out of state or a lack of lack of people moving into the state or whatever. But that certainly certainly is a factor and and I know that the. A place like the Department of fish and wildlife really cares about keeping these traditions going far in part especially in the case of say, hunting deer it's a key tool for managing the deer population in the state. So That's interesting. You're. So you're older son be said is in the army. But he got you upset Him to kill a flying squirrel with a BB gun right? Flies a helicopter. So yeah, I see. Okay. Yeah. I. Get that to some extent I. Remember one time I was bothered a little bit. I was fishing and I caught I think a small mouth bass or something just fishing on it. We rented camp on League, Gratin and. I got my fishing licenses for the poll and fished off the end of the doctor and caught a small mouth bass. And I remember reeling in deciding a you know it was it wasn't gonNA make a whole meal for the family, but it was gonna be lower order or something right? And So. We you know we kept it. It was legal size and and we kept it in but You know it Kinda hit me the way that thing fought. At, the end of the line, it was just this this encounter between the and me meant everything to the fish. You know a little snack to me right now is going to have dinner afterward and and that's that struck me as a little bit of an imbalance there. I. Don't know. SORTA get. Bring that up because my thirty year old son who hunts and fishes. You know and he has since he was young and. He never ate a fish he brought home. He Bring A. Clean home we cook com he never ate the fish maybe what it was and we never talked about I. You know I just realized he was pushing it around on his plate. But he wasn't. That's. I would've asked or by outside. Hey, this is tonight's protein. You caught it. What about it? You know? I, mean. FISHY GETTING FROM THE STORE The vichy Kat. Wow. That's odd. Well, I I I would have asked them like, Hey, get what's going on no. All right. Well. Thank you for the call. Appreciate it interesting perspectives there from d from spree good friend of the Dave Ramsey show and not infrequent caller. So that's great thing. We're GONNA. Be Talking about hunting a little bit in the next segment of the show we don't oftentimes think about hunting this time of year it's much more of an autumn thing I think for in the minds of many Vermont course that's when deer season is and so on but the there is some hunter education going on getting people ready take to the woods and and and do their thing in the as the seasons on fold here. wanted to bring in three people. Three folks have been kind enough to share their time with us for the next bit here on the Dave Graham Show one is volunteer hunter educator by the name of Mike Frisby. Mike good morning. Thank you very much for joining me. Hey, good morning. Thanks for having. Nate lafont is With a he's on staff. The Department of fish and wildlife also is on the phone with us this morning. Thank you for joining us. Yeah thanks for having us. And these guys are involved in an effort to step up hunter education in introduce new hunters into the into this activity the and. Especially for for people who are first time hundreds maybe don't come from a hunting family so they wouldn't have learned it from. GRANDPA. From Dad or whatever or mom and one, one person I said I said to Louis Puerta the official Wildlife Commissioner arranging the program I said Lewis find me and one of the new hunters you could talk to us about their experience of getting trained up and so on and we listen that front this morning is Gwen Zach off she is with the Vermont League cities and towns, and actually it was I think it was a deputy house clerk at the State House for a number of years when I was there as a reporter, the AP and. gwynn. Welcome to the program. Thank you very much for joining me this morning. Thanks David. Faded to be here. And so let me let me start if I could do with the the staff person at the fish and Wildlife Department nate lafont, and talk a little bit about the idea of this effort to step up hunter training in Vermont and how it's working so far. Sure absolutely. So Hunter Education has been required to buy your first first honey license for many many years now across the country and ended Vermont and we've actually looked through our numbers and our certification numbers and the population of month, and what we found is that many people that are looking to get hunter education specifically children they are getting that opportunity and we're we're able to reach them quite successfully So the people were trying to entice. And try to get their attention and complete the cycle of creating a new hunter is the older population or the population that has recently moved to Vermont so. So the we call them late onset hunters whereas they didn't learn in their childhood. They maybe didn't have that family member that aren't that uncle grandparent that could teach him the ropes and they're just kind of like, Hey, this is something i WanNa do. It sounds cool. It sounds like it put food on my table in a safe ethical legal way but I have no idea how to get started. At that's we're trying to focus on more recently as those people. And Mike Frisby I have a correct that you're a volunteer hundred instructors that right? Correct going on their year as one and I got involved in it two daughters Twenty six, forty, nine, the twenty, nine year old about four years ago started hunting with me and I've basically heard her dad guide because in the last three years she's taken two nights but that zero but. Like end muzzleloader mid December three years ago. Just beautiful crisp. Cold Day I like Gosh I need to share this more how do how do I shared and into sheriff's? Everyone. And at that point I said Okay hundred instructor and then a been tucked with coal fire who's also been. Very instrumental in this and oversees the Hunter Ed Program the how do we get these adult hunters into? Into it you know one of the things that. I've always said that the local or movement which has been a foot in. Vermont for quite a while now knowing where your food comes from So and so forth I don't think there's anything more getting in wild game to be honest with you. So Yeah. That's a that's interesting and and and when it zinc copper Zach off and help me with frenzy last name you got it right the first time Zach. Okay. Great. Thanks Gwen you you are you a brand new hunter or you've been hunting now for a year or two or tell us about your hunting career. Well. I've always been interested in learning about it more. So to be be feel safe actually in the woods 'cause I'm a pretty avid outdoor camper and stuff. Never really was into hunting never grew up around it was not familiar with it but when I moved here, Vermont over fifteen years ago it was something that I wanted to become familiar with. and so grew a little bit. Not In, my late thirties I have a good friend who hunts and I showed him in the woods and just sort of fell in love with being woods and figured you know why? Not? So the opportunity came up a little over year ago during Turkey hunting season to do the program with the states in the agency and. There began sort of A. Hunting career. So you, you actually got your first licensed last year then is that right? Just over a year ago and interestingly enough Mike Friends of the was my mentor on up in the kingdom when we were doing it, it was a long weekend and It was super fine lots of like young adults you know older adults that were again sort of people that were either neutral Vermont or folks at just never grew up around it. So it felt like you were around people of similar mindsets and it was Super Fun and super thankful that the state offered that program. Have, you bagged your first Turkey yet or anything else. So many close calls. No, and you know what's really interesting is that part of why I wanted to learn was not necessarily for the actual taking you know of an animal although I'm very. Interested again in the local Gore moving knowing where my food comes from but really just loving being outside and getting up super early in the morning. When you know it's not that easy and having that patience and persistence and that quiet and just the idea of going out into the woods and not having a destination. You know when you're gonNA hike, there's a destination and when you go out into the woods on hunts even if you don't get anything you're there to just be with nature and It's just really it's some of the best time ever spent in Vermont it's out in the woods trying to hunt. Yeah. Wow. That's that's a that's great Mike, Frisby, how many students have you helped along like this so far in your hunter instruction career Oh like Nate said at the beginning We'll get. Like I parted this I usually workout milner with a crew of instructors from there and we'll have thirty, thirty five in a class. They'll be some adults it manning a lot of mom learning but son. Mom would daughter Grandma and Sun giving their licenses but So Gosh I don't know a hundred or more, and then like winless saying that the learn to hunt Turkey weekend was fantastic. A real finding experience felt like Turkey camp after weight known each other forever, and that's part of the part of the hunting culture. Go Echo, which she says to me Venison is just that the bonus icing on the cake, but I'm not entering the would anytime going. Oh my gosh I'd have to kill something. It's just is whole. Frost says. I nine trail camps out keep them out three, hundred, sixty, five days a year. And just you know see and read the the animals and whatnot the help I get ton of pitches Nice Bucks but I don't get him but he eight, it's the whole process. That you go through in just I always say when I'm. In, the woods their house and I just become part of the woods, the thing that seen and heard. it's just amazing. Could go on and on so. But that's why this program is is really exciting. When men t she was wonderful I could tell a story but for to a field chasing Turkey which is very exciting and Anyway. So great to see this this these adult hunters. Coming in and being able to enjoy what I've enjoyed my whole life. Win, Zach off I'm wondering I'm sure you've heard gun sort of the. you know they're never number of people who don't like hunting very much in Vermont I. Think of what we've relations pita the people for the ethical treatment of animals and other people who criticize hunting as. Inhumane and all that sort of thing Tell us about your thought process along those lines. What do you? What do you make of those arguments? And I think everyone has you know reasons for going out into the woods or you know and either picking up a gun or not and I think actually part of a really good portion of the program for the Hunter Education Safety Portion of our learn to hunt weekend was talking about you know conservation and talking about the ecology of the woods and the life cycles of. These animals and You know I think that it's an important part of the the heritage of Vermont and the states, and it's a really healthy way to put food on the table. It's again a really great way to know where your food comes from and you know management of you know her numbers and those who don't WanNa participate you know obviously don't have to Respect. On both sides and sort of a tip of the hat on appreciate everyone's reasons for you know wanting to hunt or or not wanting to hunt Personally I was a vegetarian for thirteen years when I was younger I felt very differently about hunting when I was younger something sort of change in me when I went on hunts with friends who felt pretty passionate about it and I saw you know humane the ways of you know humanely going out there and and hunting, and really having an appreciation for the animal and appreciation for the life cycle and and the process and. So I don't know something changed I can't really put a finger on it necessarily. But I my my feelings towards you know buying a package of meat at the store is very different than you know hopefully, eventually being able to take my first animal and feeling like a very closeness to on Um wanting to respect that animal for giving its life to me and You know finishing basically everything that's on my plate So again I think. It makes sense I grew to that position I have a very different position than I had when I was even maybe ten years ago. But you know those that don't believe in it. You Know I. That and I think that there's place where everybody at the table. Neil. Gwynne. Zach off mentioned heard heard size management and so on and I know this is a crucial issue especially in connection with the deer You Know Fishing Wildlife Department. Tracks very closely with the deer population looks like from year to year and so on and so forth. talked about about that. And also in connection with. The same considerations out there for Turkey's. Absolutely I think that a lot of bag limit and data that we get to to make our population numbers actually come from the harvest numbers. So you know we can track per license sales, how many hunters they are in the woods and tracked by how many how many deer Turkey, whatever the animal is in season how many of those were harvested and reported to us we can then track the success rate. And tracking success rate over a long period of time can can give you population trends based on. the hurt and habitat suitability and so on and so forth. So there's a lot a lot of data and a lot of math that goes into. hurt dynamics and population control for sure. And Turkeys deer what what are some of the species that that division wildlife department really tracks populations and and and kind of uses hunting as a tool to draw violations, reasons, and so on. Well, that'd really be most game animals. So certainly, big game would follow that category being here, deer Moose, Turkey and a lot of small game as well. Small Game some of it needs to be reported some of it not but there are set bag limits that can be changed based on again population data. So say don't taking you signed that we're taking too many rabbits just for instance, that bag limit can be changed and lowered hunters. Therefore, we know are taking less rabbit. So how does that process? How does that process apply bears? In the same way really. Wouldn't say that the whole lot of difference. Okay I just there's a lot of. A lot of people talking about bears these days coming down into in the you know people's backyards and getting after their compost and getting stuff that the you don't want him to is that a is that a population boomers I just changed behavior. I think it's a little both in it I I don't think it's only a change in behavior. I think it's a change in human behavior I think there's I. Don't think there's any one specific one specific solution to to the the issue but I think hunting hunter education is. is a good first step to. Kinda? Back to a level that alatorre thing. We need to go to a bottom of the hour break for some CBS news here on the Dave Ramsey show in wd. ABM We'll continue our conversation about education in just a couple minutes folks. Itching to get out, explore our great state Don, your mask, and come to the war store and the beautiful mad river valley. The store is open to a limited number of customers upstairs and down Jelly takeout by phone or window, but you can finally choose beer wine chips, etc. No appointment needed upstairs well-stocked with cool summer clothing cards, candles, bags, and jewelry puzzles and toys for all ages art supplies, books, and Interactive Learning Games are your kids board and driving you crazy bring them to the warrants store practicing all safe protocols masks required. Now back to the Dave Graham Show on Wd FM and am. My guests are gwynn's back-off. She is a new hunter in the state of what here also works for the Vermont Lee cities and towns with that That isn't really why she's here today she's mainly speaking as somebody who's been through the states a hundred education program The State is stepping up that program and Also would be all. This is nate lafont of the Of the Vermont Department of fish and wildlife and Michael Frisby a volunteer teacher of hunting hunting, a safety and hunting instructor who helps out with the fish and wildlife department's efforts to get more people interested in hunting. We're talking a lot about adults. Perhaps, you have never been exposed to hunting it used to be that was something that was handed down from generation to generation meaning. Mainly, families these days that happens a little bit less than so the fish and wildlife pharmacists trying to. Step it up in terms of just having a folks who are hunting teach it to people who aren't rely regardless of family ties or whatever two, four, four, one, seven, seven seven is a local number in Waterbury one, eight, seven, seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five is the toll free number leave. We have a caller in line it's Jerry for Montpellier Good Morning Jerry. Hi Dave Good morning to you. Good Morning. Why to make a comment about something that Glenn said. Saturday named, Glen. Guin Yep. Yep. she said, it doesn't matter if I take an animal. This, what matters is that I'm out there in the woods. Now if anybody gets in the woods. Early in the morning and sit here all day or walks around all day. It's that's the important thing. And I to have naughty me thirty years. He I've taken and I've taken. Dear. Last year I got there was a line of people. When we were cutting a deer up. For packages of me so the meat doesn't go to waste nothing goes to waste. And when I fish I usually catching the list. As soon as swat limit and I it CA-. Wildlife. Yeah I'm sorry but it's the best citizen Fisher is So I just you know why the commend on that if she didn't teach that could people. I i. think that's what's important. So do you are hunter and also a vegetarian? and I. White meat of Turkey and and chicken. And Fish. Okay So but you don't eat you don't generally red meat and when you get a deer hunting. You basically give me two ways of what you're saying. that. Yeah interesting all of that, and then nothing goes to waste I. Mean There's Believe me I have a lot of friends that. were either. Yeah. Well that's That is I guess one one. Way To go if you if you are somebody who doesn't eat red meat, you go out hunting again a deer and you say, well, now what I mean with the meat. friends there actually my my My late father in law was was a big fisherman. Love to go fishing and would in and lived over in New Hampshire. Go over to the coast and head out on the ocean and go deep sea fishing sometimes come back with these pretty big catches You know sometimes you know forty fifty fish or something. And of course. And and and he would. He would basically go around to the to the other folks in his neighborhood and just knock on the doors. Hey you WANNA. Few Flounder. Bobby into that way. Of. You especially now day. Yeah It's A. Terrible time but anyhow, we're all getting into that. Right. Jerry. Thank you for the call. It's an interesting perspective Mike Frisby volunteer hundred. Hundred trading person. affiliated with the Fish Wildlife Department but Mike, have you have you love you ever come across folks before who in your classes and you say listen I'm not gonna I'm not gonNA eat because I don't red meat but I'll give it away. No quite clear good for Jerry that. That enjoys the the experience of hunting and says. It's theory harvest do not go to waste. I haven't heard that before nets fantastic for him. So. That is a maybe it's unusual but it. makes. It makes sense if that's if that's your approach then then sure and and and and I go back to what would win Zach off was saying a few minutes ago just about. Respecting, the understandings and the views of others connected with hunting and all and and I think that's important as well and and here's a case of somebody who has a what may be somewhat you know unique approach to the whole situation. But if it works for him, it sounds like it's fine with all the rest of you. So that's that's. And Neat lafont I wanted to. Circle back to you and ask in the In. The efforts to step up hunting participation in Vermont When did this program launch or who came up with the idea? Tell us a little bit about the history of this effort to to say We're GONNA we're, GONNA really step up hunter education and and zero in on people who maybe new Vermont or new hunting, etc.. So as I mentioned earlier, hundreds of patients has been around and required for for quite some time. And what we really been zoning in on recently is kind of a mentoring type type of role. So We have established a a novice hunting weekend. So previously, there has been just a youth honey weekend specifically for youth under the age of fifteen and there's a different set of rules they need to be out with a license doll with a mentor who can show them the rope and they have a little more freedom of which which type of deer they can take whether that'd be bacher dough. And this year for the first time ever will be anonymous your weekend. So any novice or new hunter adult hunter can also share that weekend with the youth. So for the first first year after you buy your very first hunting license, you're eligible to hunt this This one single novice dear weekend again with mentor and with the same rules as youth would but you have you know expanding opportunity to to try to Hook that person and and hopefully they get they get ear Of course, they can also the rifle in the bow and the muzzleloader and the other seasons as well but this is just an opportunity for them to head out with a mentor. And based off of that a year ago or two years ago previously as when set. we had to learn to hunt program, and that was an intensive weekend with hunter education involves. So people would come in with different backgrounds, but generally no background in in hunting or hunter education, and they go through that and the weekend together as as Mike said, get that Camaraderie and that that Turkey camp feeling by the end of it and then there was a mentor hunting component at the end where in. This case they Gwen and Mike went out together actually actively trying to you know kill Turkey and I think the whole weekend really came together and we were planning again doing it this year and Co visit unfortunately cancelled that what we're operating on. Now, we actually have a couple events coming up is mentor meet up that we have our mentors and people can go online to our website and sign up. And it's you know it's a brief in person meet up and some presentations and then people will get matched with comparable mentors and they'll go off on their own and hopefully do in whether it'd be citing and a rifle picking out a firearm scouting just being available to answer questions leading up to that novice season, and then hopefully take use that Odyssey's and out as a mentor enmity. Dave. Down to what may just spoke by August eighth next. Saturday. I'll be heading up to Buck Lake it's Green Mountain conservation camps and. Mentors will be there with you know fifteen I believe men peas will be attending. And we'll all somehow match up together. So everyone has one but I can't emphasize enough I mean. Whoever I end up with got some work to do. We're not gonNA just go out and plop in the woods like a week before they're gonNA help me check trail cancer going to help me clear some new shooting lanes. If I need to put up ground blinds I, WanNa move my Tristan, and we're just GONNA, study study study the woods tracks. Here visit practice it not how old is it? We're to talk about wind direction and how that affects hunting is barometric pressure and. Endless endless. So So after August eighth whoever and chop with you know. You want. To put the work in but also more importantly understand. The ways of the woods and how to read it and and be one with it actually. Yeah that's that's fascinating in in and. It does sound like it's not a large at something that if if people going to sign up, they need to be taken seriously all certainly all the safety aspects as well as. Just the fact that you're going to be out there. You're right. Don't bring Your Lounge Chair. Now So That's that's that's interesting and I wonder I was Gonna ask Nate do you do you censored or figures showing that hunting license sales have gone up as a result of this program or is it too soon to tell her where we on that? I think I'd say it's too soon to tell we we are You know keeping track of of the individuals such as just as when who who came through the program of AS Roma in its infancy and we are hoping that you know with with with the mentor, showing the ropes and getting a couple of seasons under their belt they will continue to continue to hunt continue to grow as hunters and continue to to get out there and and enjoy it maybe away from their mentor at some point, and then even farther into the future. Become a mentor for someone else you know whether that a friend or a child or something like that. So I would say too soon to tell, but we certainly have high hopes. Windsor, as you've gone through the process of learning about hunting. Any surprises anything that you you You know I don't know whether it'd be the barometric pressure for instance or or any other aspect of it that you kind of said, wow I didn't know this was involved. I think all parts of it are like an a game of chess. You know you kind of have to You can't learn everything quickly and there's always new things to learn. Everyone does things a little bit differently I think most of all that most surprised at how addictive it is to be out in the woods and how You I initially, you know it's Funny because I I when I did the hunter safety course through that learn to hunt program. It was you know Turkey hunting and that wasn't necessarily something I was interested in because I was more interested in deer hunting just because that had been, you know what my friends had doing and I actually gone on hunts with them. You know obviously without a rifle and just sort of. Shadowed and sort of had the experience but then I experienced Turkey hunting and I realized that I really enjoyed that as well. So I I, it opened more doors I think in my at least my interest in learning about other things more open and just you know you're learning constantly about the the tricks of the trade and the tools and on you. Learn from your mistakes because you know animals are super. You know they're you're in their territory like Mike said, that's their home and You know we get a little cocky and bold in our approach sometimes it's human. So it's humbling. Go out there and learn from how they move and then respond to their movements and having had the patience to follow them then to Be in in their world But yeah, your constant I'm constantly reading stuff. I'm constantly watching videos I'm learning about Turkey calls which I mean man I think I might be doing that for like five years and still like you know I was calling this season and I was just bringing inheritance. Not. To Do to be found So yeah, super training but there's there's constantly there's things to always learn and it's it's I think the learning part of it and it's humbling and It makes you really appreciate. You know what we have here living in Vermont and We're just really lucky to have the animals around us and in the open woods and fields and stuff it's I just feel really connected. I feel more connected now than I ever have since I've taken up hunting again I've never even bagged anything and I've never taken anything but I definitely feel it's It's helped me appreciate Vermont more. Do. You feel like Gwynne when you are out there and you are maybe going to see a a Turkey and and tell me does it see you in does not know? That you WANNA kill it. They know you're there pretty quickly. It's amazing on. I. Mean again like Michael saying you know learning about how the wind blows and you know certain animals being able to see color in some not being able to see kind of have to understand how sort of. How their brain works and how they move about and the right time of day that you need to be in their territory and call the manners quiet and your calls or you can be louder and It's you know. It's it's complicated. It's it's frustrating but it's fun. Yeah I mean it's just that that's part of the part of the challenge and. One last thing for you when right now may have more a little bit but I wanted to ask you talked to Mike was saying a few minutes ago it sounds like you're you're out there you're hiking through the woods you're building stuff you're. You're it's a lot of physical activity and so on do you I mean I gather you're in good shape but I mean you come back at the end of the day pretty beaten. Oh and that's like I. think that's the one great thing about it. especially, like I tend to deer hunt with a friend of mine who we do kind of like we scout things out and we have a we start preparing sort of like weeks ahead of time anything from unbending our rifles into going out and sort of scoping out where we're going to be in figuring out how we're gonNA approach, certain situations and I tend to go out alone when I, go Turkey hunting just 'cause they tend to stay in my property but You know it's it's a lot of It's a lot of preparation and I. You're adjusting for each animal rates so like you might, and you have to be here there you can sort of predict what they're gonna do but their animals and they change pretty quickly and I I learned really early on and hunting especially with dear you know they are so aware of where you are. Way More than you know I remember the first time I was out hunting with a friend and I was we had you know been walking through the woods super quiet I thought was super quiet and there had been you know deer bedded down we were standing there having coffee just sort of you know taking a breath. We'd probably been there ten minutes and Lo and behold boom these. To dear, popped up no more than probably five yards away from us and they had been there for ten minutes. We never even saw them there and you know by the time we put our coffee down and rebel to pick up the rifles. They were way out of range. I, mean there are so fast and there's so sly and there, and then we follow their prince and then they followed. Our print and they were talking about an hour later I mean it's just so interesting going out in the woods that these animals and figuring out how they work because you'd see him from the side of the road you see me on a hike. But when you're trying to actually track them and you're trying to actually figure out how to get close to them it's a whole new world. She would say like Sometimes come back. Really. Hired after dead deer hunting, and because every sense is it just goes up a level. You're hearing your your site everything you're just on the whole time taking it all in. You know you end the cold as well but that's another beauty of it is you just enter this new dimension of of awareness when when you're out there in the woods about everything I've had you know chickens land on me as not just amazing. So. It's yeah that's. But so good. I. Yeah, and especially if you're if you're I gathered. A sign that you're doing it right. If you're really, you're really taking everything in and being very very aware of your surroundings and aware of of what's going on and. Not. Daydream you're looking at your phone or anything. So. Can't can't be you can't be distracted out there you gotta be really really. You are like Gwen. said the minute you are the second you let your guard down. And Opportunity, you may have had to harvest the animals just GonNa go away. Yeah I wonder if they know that they sort of know the person Heidi by. Ear this is the moment when I could flee because the person is. It otherwise occupied or but Wow. So yeah that that is a that. That is pretty cool. Mike Frisby talked to me about it mean if you. I wouldn't be surprised. They're off their people out there listening to this radio program right now we were saying themselves wonder if I should take up hunting one question that they might have is, what does it cost? What do I need in terms of equipment TACO's a little bit about that. What do I need motorway by? Different things it's actually it's quite a disease once you get into it. Anyway I won't go down that road I I've heard people talking about fishing. When you when you factor in the Rod and reel tackle the boat you're gonNA cost four, hundred dollars a pound. Per Ballot, catalog in the mail yesterday is like. Anyway A. Anything. Else you ease into it. You know. A rifle you know a good. Solid I with a thirty thirty have forever and always will You could get a nice rifle anywhere from around the five hundred dollar range close would be your next big investment because you want to be comfortable pair for all types of weather and footwear. If you're cool and you're shivering or you just it's not good or if you get where really not good. So I, think that the rifle or would be the first. Big Investment, and then just get consult with your mentor friends or whatever, and get the rate outerwear underwear. And and just add on from there as you get to know discover more. You'll know what to. What to buy and get as you go and what you WANNA blaze orange right. with that. You want some blaze orange right. Actually oddly enough Vermont as one of the few states that does not require blaze orange during hunting season. I'm fortunate enough to have access to about a hundred acres which I'm the only one on. but I still will to and from my stand where chat or something earned from still hunting. Off, tend to wear something orange. But Yeah. It's a great idea. Don't get me wrong. Every everybody should should wear in a lot of hunters are wearing with their required to organize. It's just really safe thing. To Do to be seen in the woods. Like Gwen was saying about what? What, who, Different animals see do they see color? Dear only CNN and of almost. Gray and white format day are colorblind. They could pick up a little blues. In Greens, but they're not gonNA be Cheer Blazer, they just see in. Like I said in craze. Yeah. That's that's that's interesting Nate Lafond WH. Give us your recommendation on that should Vermont go go out hunting where blaze orange for safety. Oh absolutely I think it really depends too on what animal you are. Hunting Turkeys have amazing is. Be in full color. So I would always recommend you know if you're if you're moving and not actively hunting maybe I you know I busted you and and he's run away and you know you're giving go back home to get breakfast you know throw on a vest keep a hat in your pocket whatever the case may be and when you walk back out of the woods Throw that on, you know because you're not really actively Turkey hunting at that point you're not worried about scaring anything but you should always be worried about your safety like Mike said with an animal that maybe can't see color as well or certainly can't see blaze Orange and I certainly recommend that much of it as possible right tape person and safer you are the better you are. Yeah. That's that's for sure speed of which I guess I'll stick with nate on this one other hunters You've got to give each other some room and what's the General Are there any rules there? well. I guess not necessarily a hundred hunter There are some some kind of natick grady specific roles where you know hundred hundred harassment or you can't you can't mess with illegally legally hunting person or legally rackets down at ground blind or tree stand But as far as you know encroachment on another hunter, you know it's just a lot of mutual respect whereas. There's a lot of good spots and a lot of people know the good spots. So you know if you want to get up early and put the work into scouting and and get the get that good spot lockdown, you'll get your tree stand up months in advance and and get your presence in there. Then then good for you. If someone else wants to come in the day before the season and see what they can find you know is there's a mutual respect of of that next person might might just move on and find a better spot You know there's An. Another layer of the of the thoughtfulness the whole thing takes well, I've really enjoyed this conversation with nate lafont of the Vermont Department of fish and Wildlife Michael Frisby volunteer, Hunter Instructor and Gwen. Wins Aikoff Zach off excuse me the a new hunter on the scene in Vermont and the three of you've been really really good conversation partners I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Grabbing Yep that's about it for the day Graham Show on this Wednesday morning and stay to now for Bill. Share Common Sense Radio. We've back tomorrow with another edition of our program and meanwhile keep. Using his masks, washing hands, staying healthy, and we'll talk to you tomorrow.
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We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey everybody. Welcome to the steps of the Charlie Kirk show. Super thrilled to be joined by a good friend of mine who she is an editor at townhall, and also a contributor for Fox News. Katie Pavlovich Katie welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Tally is great to be with you. Thanks for having me. So last week we saw the RNC, and before that, the DNC and your commentary on television was terrific. What do you make as the state of the race right now it seems that polls are tightening. You have been commenting I think correctly that Joe Biden has been going in the wrong direction. What do you make of the state of the race as of today? Well I know that the big joke on Joe Biden is that he plagiarized everything but watching his behavior on the so-called campaign trail credit proves that he he's he's continuing this lead from behind attitude and for seizure dislike. President Obama did on a number of issues You know he's visit. Kenosha. Now that president trump has visited Kenosha Wisconsin. We actively await for the Democratic governor there to tell him, he should not come. As he told President Trump you know he outlined his vision for how he would have handled the China Corona Virus But he did everything following what president trump has already done pulling a specially like manufacturing P P out of China, getting our drugs manufactured in the united. States, invoking the Defense Production Act, etc etc. so in terms of how they're doing, they seem to be following president trump's lead on the issues. But in terms of other things that they're doing bureau by today gave a a press conference for the. First Time in weeks took some questions. He's he's you know before the Convention thought that he could win this thing by simply staying at home and speaking to people over the Internet We know that's not true now as they kind of hit the panic button and try and get him into places for short periods of time I think they're really starting to to realize that the trump campaign has the upper hand when it comes to the grassroots campaign, the ground game then what they actually built for the president over the last four years. With the momentum the twenty sixteen win I mean by that is the trump campaign RNC been knocking on a million dollars a week the Biden campaign has done none of that. Vice President Mike Pence is as Ben in states like Michigan Wisconsin? MINNESOTA. Pennsylvania for weeks. Now, going around talking to voters, Biden's campaign has done none of that It's almost like they haven't learned that you can't win states by not going to them especially when you're trying to win back voters. So you know everybody always likes the polling which is tightening now but polling is just one aspect of this bigger. Complex issue of the campaign and on the grassroots effort and getting into the INBOXES, and at the front doors of voters trump campaign is just far beyond anything. The Biden campaign has been able to accomplish this time. I think that's a very smart analysis and I believe that there's other contributing factors as to actually who's going to win the presidency outside but just public polling in the final bowl token taken before Wisconsin was hillary. Clinton up seven points didn't even bother polling and president trump one Wisconsin, and of course, similar in Michigan Your twitter has been terrific lately and you re tweeted a series of tweets calling out governor evers who this was ranch Priebus tweet which I thought was terrific. He said waiting for governor ever statement asking Joe. Biden not to come to Canossa. Now it's really interesting to me why Joe Biden would be going to visit a site. Of peaceful protests and why he now feels the need to do it my working theory on this Katie is that Joe Biden the Democrats made a very big awful error in judgment and I said this on our podcast recently that Joe Biden if all had to do was out and denounce the violence and the protests and what they were doing just slightly and a very well could have been a political deathblow to donald trump in fact, their gas lighting acting as if these don't exist than just poking people in the eyes and saying others, peaceful protests I think opened up an opportunity for president trump to turn this into a political you know. Horse race just really much tighter than it. Route really should have been in this summer were honest ourselves Katie I mean it's hard to run when the entire countries lockdown and there's a virus and everyone's politicizing at the media's against you what what is your? What is your take on how the Democrats been handling this riots issue? I'm of the opinion it really just. Started to turn right around John Lennon talking to Chris Cuomo. It's felt like a kind of a back room conversation at became public almost on air where he said Chris. You note showing up in the polling and it seems from that moment forward the Democrat started avenue posture on these riots and protests was your take on this and how it has benefited the president. Yeah. So the first thing is is I think you're right about the Don Don Lemon and the media giving the instructions to the Biden campaign about how should be handling these things, which gives you another insight into you know where they stand But I remember distinctly Joe Biden giving a speech in August and mentioning this and changing his tune about the violence and it. was really the first time. He had given a harsher condemnation of it. Let's not forget that Kamala Harris was tweeting out links earlier in the summer to bail funds for riders who were arrested and places like Minneapolis and a number of their campaign staffers who still work for the campaign donated monitor were were bailed out by that funding So they were actively. Engaged in promoting and encouraging this kind of your now, all the sudden bi for political reasons because all they care about is power they're trying to change their tune on this. Now I think they could have been more strategic about it as well. Joe Biden used to be known as somebody who was tough on crime after all, he sponsored the nineteen ninety four crime bill, which by the way, the ACP at the time supported a number of number of a black community leaders supported at the time because crime in their communities was completely out of control. Kamala Harris of course has a long record as a prosecutor. They could abuse bat to their advantage and dealing with this writing in this this violence crisis in America. But instead, they have decided that they are going to embrace the far left of their party and this is nothing new. Let's not forget that the black lives matter movement is not a new thing these this rioting and this Antifa style partnership that they have started five years ago in Twenty fifteen under Brock Obama There are a number of police shootings in Dallas that the execution of police officer officers. The police officer in New York City who was executed in his vehicle when he was eating lunch and the person who killed him wrote on his instagram page before he carried out the assassination that he was going to put a pig in a blanket while L. AL sharpens group had been marching through New York City, chanting pigs in a blanket frying like Bacon and at the time during the 2016 DNC. The. DNC. Platform completely endorsed black lives matter. So this is fully ingrained in their politics. Now is part of them and it has been for a long time. So they are unable Joe Biden as a quote, moderate is unable to get away from it because this is not something new it's something they've been embracing for years on it. Now, they're unable to decouple from it in latest betting odds which I love the betting markets when it. comes. To presidential races, front page realclearpolitics, DOT com. I think real politics. One of the few websites out there. That just tells you it's an aggregate airing shows you exactly the data maker and decisions and are you guys cited quite a lot on Fox is basically tied. Now it's basically the race is within the margin of error and I do think that the president now needs to kind of go to the next chess. Move where Biden is now having some form of a message that probably will work with most people saying that this is Donald Trump's America totally unfair by the way completely unfair. But I think finally the Biden campaign is doing what they should have done a month ago and in some ways, it's the old kind of tortoise and the hare analogies like Biden so far ahead, he just kind of took a nap and and Literally took a nap however. It's It's IT'S SO A. Preventable political mistake by them and I actually don't think that the trump campaign should be should be to overly confident because the Biden. Campaign is adapting to this right now and they're visiting Kenosha, they're doing the right things. Now, the Biden campaign is whereas for the last couple of weeks they just kind of decided to act as if it doesn't exist, which was a horrible political miscalculation you're from Arizona Katie and you're also one of the top second amendment advocates in the country I I've made. The argument I love your take on this that guns are actually GonNa be a winning issue for the president. In fact I think it's one of the swing voting issues were more and more people are buying firearms legally defend themselves against these thugs that are running the streets that have been released by governors like Gavin Newsom can you talk about some of these issues that might not be on the top top of polling, but actually really motivate people that you think the Republicans of the president should focus on. Yeah it's all start with the second amendment that I wanted to get into the economy in a different take on on that issue in terms of swing voters but may be people who are Democrats who really don't appreciate all the lockdowns, the hypocritical behavior from politicians. On the second, amendment twenty twenty is going to be the most successful year on record for a gun sales and just since the beginning of the year with the. Wuhan. Krona virus combined with all this civil unrest and rioting and you add in that Democrats across the country are calling for the defunding of police actually doing it in some places there are five million new gun owners as of right now in the year as we went up. And if you think about you put put that into context of you know it's not the same thing registering new voters but it is similar because it's an issue that people take very personally to buy your first firearm in for the purpose of self defense which the vast majority of the reasons why people are buying their first gun in this this year is because for self defense to defend their family, the very personal thoughtful well-thought-out reason, and it is coupled with The idea that you know Democrats are the ones who are calling for more gun control, making it harder for you to defend your family and at the same time taking away your second line of Defense, which is the police. So I don't know how I don't have any data to train. You know to look at to kind of transfer that to whether people will show up at the voting booth and vote for trump or for a Republican senator especially at a time when much of the campaign is focused on The virus and how that's being handled but with the unrest that's shot up to the top of an issue of the issues in terms of people what they're voting on. So I think you can kind of put it into that category of how people are going to vote when you see these large crowds of people. Walking through the suburb and screaming at people with megaphones in the middle of the night in their children. Are there people start to think about what they would do with police couldn't come protect them from so I hope it will change voter behavior but I would say I think it takes a lot more thought to buy your first firearm if you're weren't a gun owner before or this wasn't an issue for you before that, it does maybe to just register to vote. So we'll see we'll see how that plays out, but I don't think it's a good good thing for Democrats and for them to push gun control at, they're convention of time when there is so much civil unrest I think is a mistake, and then on the issue of the economy, you know I've had so many non-political people. Tell me that they are voting for Republicans because they cannot stand these arbitrary lockdown rules. That these elitist politicians don't follow themselves but expect everyone else to follow while their businesses have been completely run into the ground. This Nancy Pelosi situation. This week is a perfect example of that we're going into a hair salon without a mask and. Going inside when allowed to get you know hair services inside of a salon in California there have been protests led by Salon owners in California against Gavin newsom. These severe lockdown policies and these people are not typically. Republicans typically, you know liberal artists types who who, who, who, vote for Democrats but I can imagine that they're rethinking who they're going to vote for when they're leading protests against Democrats were taking away their livelihoods and I think Biden campaign is it's been very They tried to say that this is the trump economy and it didn't have to be this way and yet when you ask Joe Biden what he would have done, he said that he would shut the country down again. So on one hand, you can't accuse the president running the economy into the ground while also saying would shut down the economy again, these things don't square I think that's I. Think on the economy people are voting differently than a typical election just based on the situation that on. I, think that the economy and opening up America, has been a changing issue and I think that it's much more. It's much less like a snapshot in time. It's much more like a moving film where people felt differently about this issue probably a couple months ago than they do today where now as their capital reserves are are really drying up and bankruptcy has really looming I think that people's patience for the perpetual lockdown narrative has change and this is I think again, going back to a really really silly and I think misguided political calculation by the Democrats where they. All all they had to do is take a nuanced position on this Katie and I think they could have really pummeled the Republicans in the end Donald Trump on this but instead they took this this position. Bindi I'll shut down America. If that's what's GonNa take really that's that's an incredibly unpopular position with decent reasonable people that are going to vote regardless of the other issues and I I I agree with you on the the firearms issue, I. I don't see how anyone can can vote for Joe Biden, that is a new registered vote that debt is a new firearm. Owner especially, as you mentioned five million with incredible, which is absolutely unprecedented and I think that the president is GonNa be very smart in the debates which I want to ask you about in just a second to press the issue of Joe, Biden what guns would you take away and if so please tell me I think those kind of cross examination Joe Biden exactly how president trump's GonNa win these debates because Joe Biden is not good off the off the cuff he gets very angry because I think of his impending. Mental cognitive decline. I think the president at his best as almost a cross examining prosecutor almost in not someone who's just trying to tell the country how great his presidency has actually think putting Joe Biden on trial is the way that president trump should approach these debates. Can you tell us about the debates Joe Biden. Pledge Today that he is going to debate president trump says you take drug tests before which is definitely a new wrinkle into the the debate the conversation what's your take on on this entire conversation run debates To your point you know Joe Biden what's up forget when he was still add on the trail earlier this year he was in Detroit at a an auto plant and A. Detroit autoworker asked him the question and confronted him about Second Amendment and saying you know you're going to take away my gun rights and Joe Biden did not have a good reaction to that. He got very angry and so you know he's not. This far left mentality that Joe Biden has tried to fit into doesn't really work in a place where he needs to win in terms of the debates I'm not so convinced that they're going to debate I know like what two weeks out three exile but when Anti Pelosi comes out and says that Joe Biden should not debate donald trump I don't think that she would have said that if it wasn't being serious royal, that's exactly yeah. Then the Party and so I think Them not them not having Joe Biden debate with would be. A political misstep for sure especially now that he's losing ground in the polling and kind of trying to catch up to the president like actually doing the same things he's been doing. But you know I wouldn't underestimate Joe Biden I think there is this this. which is cautioned that you know he gave his DNC speech to everyone was like, oh, so amazing while it's because everyone lower the bar so much for his ability that you know him being able to do the speech. Well, was an easy easy proposition to conduct sell just giving a big. Debates, but I will be watching if there are. And so I, I'm sympathetic with that argument because it's really a perplexing political moment we're living through Katie. We'll be talking about this for the next forty years like remember when Joe Biden and trump and we were. Debating in I think this year's going to have a lot of the. Do you remember sentiments from this year because part of it is if Joe Biden does debate I mean you you are his handlers can't touch him for like ninety minutes I mean he is all on his own and Donald Trump can do whatever. He possibly can trip him up in a good way. I can actually exposes radicalism or as mental. Impact impairments. Additionally. I. Think that if he doesn't debate this part where I think the president needs to kind of his next chess move the first chess move was the riots right and really hyper focusing on that and ended up being a master stroke of genius by the trump campaign and part of it is luck I'm not GonNa lie I mean part of it is that the Democrats mishandled this so Ridiculously they just opened up a ten point window for the trump campaign like sure come on back to the race we've been waiting for you like, okay right. We'll take this opportunity but I think the next move is that trump has to taunt biden into how little he travels how few questions he takes. Now a few interviews he does I didn't that's a winning issue. What's your thoughts on that? No I think that's absolutely true. I think in united the idea that president trump is always accessible to the press. Always doing press conferences always talking to folks is always visible while Joe Biden is visible and then very carefully handled. I mean the press conference this we aqui had his staffers asking the reporters to state their corporations rather than him stating the questions So I think he's done like fewer than five press conferences entire year and it's you know they would say, well, we've been ahead in the polling. So that's why we don't need to over expose ourselves but. When people are starting to pay more attention under Labor. Day to the race, you'll really necessary comparing the two candidates I think the president should really focus on Biden's record on the things he has said that are not true. The fracking issue you know yesterday Joe Biden and tried to claim that he's not going to ban fracking. He said numerous times in the primary he absolutely would not just ban fracking ban all fossil fuels So getting him on those inconsistencies and disingenuous nature of Joe Biden being politician. Donald Trump is not and also on the rioting issue you know. I don't even think it was a political calculation from the trump campaign or even from the President I genuinely believe that Donald Trump. He understands what it would feel like if somebody burned down. His work he understands what it's like to lose a business. He understands the you know how hard people work their entire lives to build a business that was just destroyed and Democrats apparently were okay with acsi refused to condemn it. It's a personal thing. He understands because he's been in it and he he knows what it would. It takes whereas if you're a politician like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris who have been in political life taxpayer-funded, basically our entire. Career, you don't have any empathy as they would say for people like that because you've never lived that kind of life like you've never owned a business or had employees, you can no longer pay now because you don't have a business or you don't understand the insurance doesn't cover the entire bill of rebuilding your Your Business, and then your insurance bill actually goes up and makes it more expensive for you to operate. So I think he genuinely understands those things whereas. Joe Biden Does Not Kuala. Harris does not money people on the left do not and pointing out that. Detachment, from the real world and the rest of America doing the outsider thing again would help him I. think that's that's a really good point because president trump I think is actually it is best right now running outsider as an incumbent and the Democrats have really presented this opportunity words trump against the Democrat power structure in the country as him as an incumbent. That's kind of the way this racist unfolding, which is not a good race for the Democrats by the way the one thing that bothers them the most is actually having them explain how they control every single urban center in our country and the crime and the arson and the endless amounts. Of Blood being spilled in places that they have a total monopoly power on and the President I think is smart and I agree with you completely such as a political calculation it was moral calculation because he said I'm not I'm not okay with this happening you commenting on this is something that is personal and I know it would be like if your livelihood just get burned down in front of you like you saw yesterday the guy that had a photoshop through his whole family for one hundred, nine years got burned down everything and the recourse for that for Blm. Incorporated. And so you had a tweet today which was terrific or may have been yesterday. Where you said this political poll description is absurd. The reason black lives matter is losing supporters due to their behavior not because trump is attacking them the political The title is trump attack trump attacks take a toll on black lives matter support. What they're trying to do Katie is the media is trying to frame it as if trump is one of the reasons as to why M is doing, right they're doing they have no choice but to fight back and that it's really trump that is the agitator that is kind of a new narrative here. What do you make of that? Right. So I saw this polling today showing that the approval for black lives matter has gone down and I wanNa make the distinction between there are I think all Americans believe that black lives are important and of course they matter but they don't give into this as you just mentioned black lives matter inc notion. So anyway based on the last three months and the social media that we have has exposed what is actually going on at these these riots, these protests of. The black lives matter leader is going on Fox News and saying if they don't get what they want going to burn the country down that's why black lives matter in their approval rating has going down not because president trump is pointing them out or you know talking about them their own behavior is what is getting them. To. Wear out their welcome with the American people. However, this goes back to when I was talking about at the beginning of. Your podcast is that. This has been going on for five years right the blocks are movement. And I was doing research today based on reading that poll because I just remember when this whole thing started and I found this op-ed from August twenty, four, th twenty fifteen and it's titled I was a civil rights activist in the nineteen sixties but it's hard for me to get behind black lives matter. I support be all EMS caused but not its approach. So you know this has been a long. It's an activist group you and I know that they talk about a breaking down everything about American civil society that they're trained Marxist running the organization I. Think that the more black lives matter is exposed through what is people can see it for what it is and they want nothing to do with it and that doesn't mean that you don't want police appropriately or that you don't think that of course, black lives matter but you're not willing to destroy the country that you live in for the sake of their Marxist. What's what's awful about this article of Politicos it frames Blm corporate and we always called corporated because I never wanted people to be confused during attacking the phrase that is true. But when when, when they phrase bellum incorporated as if they're the victim as if they're not, the agitators are the ones burning down America and want to destroy the Western prescribe nuclear family. One of the reasons why they have a lot lower approval ratings are burning down our country and not to mention that Republicans are actually finally speaking out against them. Early, June, there is the silence where it. was, myself and a few others and I believe you as well that we're unafraid to kind of call lemming what they were because we've been in this fight for a couple years and it's nothing new and we know who they are. We know what they do. We've been dealing with them since Ferguson with them in Baltimore Right? I mean we got our political start dealing with groups like this that actually started under Brock Obama and then finally I think in July and August it was kind of it started to grow inside. Well, maybe I should go to the website. I don't agree in destroying the western prescribe nuclear family probably not a good idea and so. I think your analysis on a spot on last question here. Katie can you just give us an idea of what you think the president's due to win going into the election I think that they're still gonNA be some October surprises from the left going towards trump. It's my opinion that they probably still have a couple of things they've been waiting for the last thirty days of the campaign. The Mail in voting horrifies me the Bloomberg group came out recently and said that Donald Trump might win on election day but he'll lose the war basically saying they're going to have the mail in ballot deluge. which really horrifies me as a trump supporter and an American that they're bragging about how they're gonNA use mail in voting to corrupt the electoral process. What you think the president has to do anything is biggest barriers are to victory, and what can our listeners helped do to achieve that goal? Well I think there's a lot of. Things at play I do think that the wind is a his back in terms of vaccine terms of the economy getting better of people real going back and remembering that things were pretty good under him before the the virus came and looking at the polling of who they hold responsible for havoc that the viruses briefed on America in the world, they want reparations from. China. And even Democrats blamed China for this, the the the problems that it's caused, but in terms of what the president's going to need to. I think he's doing all the right things. He's visiting Minnesota, their money onto the airwaves there as I mentioned my Mike Pence the vice president has been in all these battleground states over and over and over again throughout the year there on the ground the trump campaign has all of these bus tours that they've been doing repeatedly. Geting voters they're not giving into. This Compromise. That gets you nowhere with the mob Doing to Hammer Joe Biden on his hypocritical record and his changing of of opinion, based on what he needs to do politically including. Now, by the way he's not. Coming the riots in the violence because he actually cares condemning it because of showing up in polling, which is very transparent So The left will have things that they will throw at the president, but I feel a little it because they've transplant much at him. He survived it's kind of like, what else could they possibly throw at him? Totally and I think the president is again at his best when he's playing offense, he's the best offensive player in American political history. He's Okay on defense I don't think the president is at his best when he plays defense up, told that privately said that publicly but you and I'm just GonNa, read from political right here where breaking down by speech the headline is, do I look like a radical Socialist Biden? Says that's how you know the president is winning. That's how you know the president is trying in the right direction when Joe Biden endlessly has to respond to trump's attacks more trump does that and I, think the president again, he won in two thousand sixteen because he had Hillary Clinton and defense the entire time and she had no ability to be able to get back on her feet well Katie. Thank you. Know pundits method. I'm the president should take on is he's trying to frame this campaign America for socialism. and Communism he should remind everybody that the last six months has really been an experiment in socialism. The government has been telling us what to do, whatever we can and cannot go when we cannot work. We've been writing checks to everybody to to talk. For what the government has done to them, and it's it's been hell and so reminding everybody that we've been in this experiment and that we don't WanNa do this again and that if you don't want to shut the economy down again, totally Joe Biden said that he needs people to vote for him. I think that the the the pivot that president trump needs to do that the Biden campaign is unprepared for his calling him lockdown Biden. I think that the lockdowns have left have lost so much favorability especially in the Democrats hypocrisy around them. If the and I am I'm going to say this publicly and privately to the president is come out right now lockdown Biden because they're losing on the rights issue and they're trying to compensate for it, and then all of a sudden expose them on the lockdown issue. These are the kind of this the president that is best on this I mean, there's a lot of things that he does right and this is one of them. So Katie thank you so much for joining us. 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Why the Polls Are Wrong with Trump 2020 Campaign Director of Press Communications Erin Perrine
"Thank you for listening to this podcast wine production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Hey everybody today in the Charlie, Kirk show. We have Aaron Parini from the trump campaign. Lot of you are anxious about the direction of the campaign and the country with it. We have some answers I. Asked her what the message is for two thousand and twenty and so much more so please email questions freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com type in Charlie Kirk Dot com slash support. To Your Web Browser, and for those of you that are monthly donors. We are going to be doing a monthly exclusive call for you at Charlie Kirk. Dot, com site, support, trolley, Kirk, dot, com site, support, type and Charlie Kirk Shirt podcast provider right now. Hit Subscribe, give us five star reviews screen. Shot us while you do that. An email us at Freeman Charlie Kirk Dot Com and get in the running to win a signed copy of the magazine Doctrine. The only ideas will win the future buckle up. Everybody Awesome interview in store here. We Go Charlie. What you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. No. We are lucky to have charlie. Charlie cuts running the White House. I WANNA. Thank Joe he's incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning-point USA. Embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for. Campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey! Everybody welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk show super thrilled to be joined with a total American. Patriot one of the people that is helping shape the president's message for the Donald. J trump for president campaign Aaron. Parini I think I got that right Aaron. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Currently thank you for having me and you did get it right marrying. My husband did not make my last name easy that well hopefully made your life better and happier I'm sure it did I encourage all of our listeners to find happy times and get married. So this is A. It's an interesting time for our in our country right now. The trump campaign I. believe is the only vehicle to save Western society in Western. Civilization and we are fighting for that every single day I. Just give us an update. How are things going? There's a lot of fake news out there about the campaign about the narratives. Give us an update straight from the battle station. Honestly. If you watch the News, you would think that things are in complete disarray over here on the campaign, but it's it's just not the case We're actually full steam ahead and one thing about the corona virus when it came to having to socially and really put forward the digital infrastructure that this campaign built for you know five plus years, especially under the helm of. Of Brad scale. We seamlessly were able to do that and we're being able to connect with voters where they are all of the time. We were building that infrastructure, and we were able to move that so quickly so in face like Arizona, we're able to talk to more rural voters more easily. Get them to come into a training. Get them to come into the holden into the. The conversation more completely, and that's just one example of how we're able to do this across the country, right, you can train and Arizona Volunteer, and they can make calls in Arizona. They can help us. Get the message out there, but we've got a special election somewhere. They can help us reach voters in Wisconsin and in California right it doesn't matter where it is with the infrastructure. Infrastructure were able to build has been implemented and Actually one of one of our staffers shared a stat with me that I think is a sounding and the news media does not talk about it, but between June twentieth and Election Day on November eighth in twenty-six teen, there were approximately two hundred and sixty national poll that were done and of those two hundred sixty national poll. Teen of them? Had Donald Trump winning, which means that ninety four percent of the national polls in two thousand sixteen between the middle of June and Election Day were wrong. And we know here on the campaign, we've seen it internally. We are very competitive and had an all the key states that we are watching. We know that our message is working and that the media is doing their absolute best to not only cover for Joe Biden, but prop him up with these national polls. That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to suppress trump voters. They're trying to suppress the silent majority, and it's not working I mean we saw last weekend. Weekend two weekends ago when we were in Tulsa. Almost twenty million people watch the president. Speak directly to them. We are able to reach and engage in a way that Joe Biden could never, and that's not even touching his policies. We haven't even begin to unload all of the information. We have about Joe Biden disastrous record, and so now as completely turned into the campaign cycle as we are GonNa be the forefront of the conversation moving forward. You will see us just. Unload on Joe and. The Fun is yet to come I think. The campaign is still young so without. Diving into too much detail which I know you can't do. Can you tell us about some of the internal polling because Aaron a lot of lot of our listeners were getting a lot of emails. I'll tell you thousands of emails every other day of listeners, and there's a lot of anxiety out there and I just want to acknowledge that that there is a lot of anxiety of people say these polls right like what's happening Keita's just give us some confidence if what you're seeing and hearing. I think that would. Go along with our audience. Absolutely, I can I can assure your audience that right now internally. We feel very good about where we are. We feel very strong about Howard connecting with voters how they are turning out and that the president is leading competitive in whole of the key battleground states. We are watching, and that's the difference you know. It's really easy, and this is something else. If you just read the chirons or or you watch any of the news network. Do you have anything? Even if you have it on mute in the background, just look at it. You would think that I can understand the angsty meetings -iety, but if you actually look at it, it's very. Very difficult to do a good poll. It is very difficult and costly to do a good poll, and so they do they do these chief polls that are easier to run and get them the information that they think that they want him to put out here in the campaign I'm sitting in the office right now. Talking to you guys, we know we are in a good spot and we will always run like we're behind. We're never gonNA take any vote for granted, and we like I said we're just getting started. But internally and are pulling in the key states were watching in very good shape and president. Trump is GONNA win again. and. I think that there's a huge effort underway as you articulated in the media to try to paint a picture that is so far from what's actually happening. Suppression polls trying to impact the president's fundraising or enthusiasm and. I I do think that there is a there's a moment where America's a little bit down right now. Understandably, because lockdown the virus, but I I think the president's base. Remains very strong and I think that you look at the enthusiasm and actually in the polling if the left wants to play the polling numbers. The polling actually shows that Donald. Trump's enthusiasm is off. The charts and Joe Biden has next that. Can you talk about that? Aaron said in. It's a really interesting cross tab that even if we take the poll seriously, which is questionable at best, there is one part of the polling that actually is in Donald Trump's favor. Yeah, actually I saw one of networks talking about the enthusiasm gap today, and it's really it's almost double for president trump his enthusiasm is double that of Joe Biden, and if you look at the primary process, if you've looked at the votes that have been cast so far the primary and you just look if you if you negate every television, pull every fake news media outlet that pulls the principal out there, and you just look at people who are showing up in the primary process right now your base your. Your most engaged voters because if you look at it for Joe Biden! After he became the presumptive nominee, he's really only at about fifty five percent support in the Democrat Party, and if you look at President, trump who has run unopposed. He's he's just out by himself. You know we know he's going to be the nominee. Everybody's known it from the beginning. He's at ninety four percent support in the party. That is huge. I mean not only his base wrong, but it's the strongest. It's ever been for any incumbent. Incumbent president. Ever. Joe Biden has people as of two weeks ago. who showed up at the polls as Democrats in the primary where they know Joe. Biden is going to be the nominee and still are actively choosing to vote a dense him that huge enthusiasm problem. We thought that you know Hillary Clinton had issues she sure did, but it came to support in the party and enthusiasm. When you actually look at what is out there for Joe Biden, interns terms of enthusiasm not only does he not have a strong. Strong base to be able to help, keep him strong and and get his message out there. But how are you going to bring other people into the full when you had to go so far to the left so far to the liberal socialist extreme to try, and even sell your soul to win your primary, and you still don't have the support of the party to be able to to run a general election operation President, trump's ninety four Joe Biden barely, fifty five I mean the numbers speak for themselves so. Let's just go state by state, some of the polling that the media's publishing I I don't accept it, but it's just seems so skewed in Michigan I mean give me a break down sixteen points I I refuse to even take that seriously. What states are you guys really focusing on and a lot of our listeners era are fifteen sixteen seventeen years old, listening to this and they've never been through a presidential election, I. I mean their earliest memories that might be Donald Trump getting automated, but they're really getting engaged involved. So can you tell us kind of focus estates that you guys are going to be you know putting a lot of your resources behind and again lot of our listeners, voters and just becoming voting age for the first time, so we'd. We'd love your kind of analysis of how you guys approaching this campaign. Absolutely and one thing I would definitely say to those who are you know coming into the fold of the political process dinner and are cited to be here. It matter where you are in the country. You can absolutely help. Support I grew up in the state of New York, and so for me growing up in Republican politics in New, York and being a conservative. I knew my vote wasn't GonNa need much back home, but being today being twenty twenty I could be that same kid growing up in new. York I could still be young, active Republican and want to be part of the movement, but helping states where where we're, we need more support. Get out the vote, and that means protecting the twenty sixteen map. We remember the twenty sixteen math as one that shattered the mold because nobody thought that DONALD TRUMP Trump would win wisconsin or he he won. Wisconsin flipped it for sure. That's the state. We're going to stay competitive in the not to state. We're going to hold. We're going to be looking at states like Wisconsin. We're going to be looking at states like Ohio. And Pennsylvania and Michigan Arizona new. Mexico. We're talking about Colorado. We're talking about these days. We're talking about New Hampshire. A state that the president was very competitive. We're talking about things like. That that Midwest section that I that I just talked about I mean there're places all across the country where we want to protect and expand the map as well and so no matter where you are as an opportunity to be involved and engaged at home where you are in your neighborhood, and in any state across the country where we can help get the president's message out there. That's the fun that that's that's what's so groundbreaking about this campaign. You could be anywhere at anytime and supporting the message of getting it out there. So a lot of our listeners that are emailing us. They're a little bit They're searching for the right words to be alert late the president's. Considering all. That's happened in our country right now. Aaron can you. Can you help define really? What is the president's reelection message because of course, the lockdowns in the virus and all the recent unrest that's happened. It's understandable that you have to recalibrate pivot, and that's that's something that is totally normal and Joe Biden has no message. It's actually really interesting Joe. Biden has the first campaign where I look at his imagery. I go to his website and there is no slogan. It's very interesting actually and. There's a slogan or at least there's one one or two words and I. I think Hillary Clinton. Was I'm with her? Incredibly narcissistic presidential campaign were Donald Trump was like. Let's make America great again and keep America Great. Can. Can You articulate? What is the current message because I'm getting a lot of messages about this and I? Think our our listeners would really benefit from hearing that. The message remains. Make America great again and you've heard the president. Give this in a couple of different fashions right? It's the great. American comeback is the line that I love that he uses, and the best is yet to come right. It's really the bold projection for the future because we saw in the first three three and a half year of the president's administration. What can be done to make America great right? He got government out of the way, and he cut regulation. You saw business boom. You saw unemployment at record levels. Levels new saw growth. You saw opportunity for every demographic in this country, and then we had to, we had to artificially interrupt this economy that hot economy ever to save lives, and so the only person that can bring back the booming trump economy who can bring America back to the greatness we just saw. Is President Trump I so you can look at the record, and and this is one thing I always want to like encourage people about when it comes to the campaign and and getting involved getting a message out there. Why do you? Why do you believe that president trump can make America great again right? What is your personal reason for that and and let that be part of your story that you share with people when you talk about this President I, very personal reason why is support president trump and it's because I had an opioid related overdose in my family, and he's the only president who ever stood up to combat the crisis to make resources available to make sure that patient treatment with readily available for those who could not get it on their own. That's that's a large part of my why I sit in my job, and why I am such a vocal supporter of the president, so if anybody, who's GonNa make America great again. If anybody WHO's GonNa do it twice president trump. We saw what he can do and fine. Find Your Y.. All of your listeners is if the economy is. National. Security is at foreign relations is standing up to China. Is it the ability to be a free nation to support the constitution to believe in liberty? Would ever your wise? You know there's there's a spot for you in this campaign, and in this movement, and it all fits under the make America great again umbrella, and that's part of what's so brilliant about the president and his and his strategy and his voice, and his unabashed love of this country is when he. He said make America great again. That is truly what he delivered and we had to take. We had to take the steps to save lives and we've done that and the only person who could do it again. I mean to almost two and a half million jobs in one month. That's because of what president trump dead right, so what's the? Why come join the movement? Because truly everybody together can make sure that president trump gets the opportunity to make America great again. So, there's a there's a growing sense in a lot of the base that we're losing our country, and we're losing the icons and the statues in our history, and I feel a lot of anxiety around that the president recently has done a great job of signaling out the terrorists that are destroying our cities and being unafraid to hold them accountable through. The correct application of the laws we have on the books so there. There's a lot of the people that I travel. To and I speak to. They feel that. The Republican Party in general hasn't been doing enough and the president seemed like he's. He's fighting alone. Do you guys? Are you guys seeing any changing? What the top issues are amongst voters? What is your polling? Showing of what the top issues are amongst the target and swing voters in the states like Pennsylvania Minnesota Michigan Wisconsin Ohio. Florida, what are the top issues? on on the voters that are going to determine this election? And how are you message into those voters? To the point, you're making about president trump really protecting American values, and and not not kneeling to the mob mentality in this country. He's certainly the strongest individual to do that and right now. We're really seeing that people want to know that we're going to come. We're going to get through and come back from this virus, so that means jobs that means the economy. If you'd looked at polling back in January jobs in the economy, we're in people's top five of issues. Why because it was so strong and so when? When things are going very strong in the economy. At that moment, it's not at the top of their mind because of that, but now we didn't because of the coronavirus and the artificial interruption in the economy people wanNA. Know that we're going to get back that we're going to have all jobs available. I mean we had at one point more than a million more jobs available than job seekers in our country. That's what president trump built with his economic policy. That's what he built with tax cuts and deregulation and Tone and all of the great work that he did to bring America forward. So those are things that are important to people and I mean I. think that it's always a at a time issue and we see that reflected is healthcare. People want to know that they have someone that's going to. Allow them to keep the insurance that they have right the vast majority of Americans like their private health insurance like the ability to pick what they have in health insurance president trump stepped up and took away the individual mandate where they were forced to subscribe to the government mandate of healthcare. I mean Joe. Biden has got a terrible record to run on when it comes to healthcare and he has. Pretty much. Self admitted that Obamacare is a failure because he believed in a government option for healthcare, which means if you really thought obamacare was working, you would not believe that there needed to be a government option for healthcare and that the. Single payer system would work in this country, so we will be talking about the economy and healthcare and the greatness of our nation, all at once, and those are messages that you'll see go forward, and and and then be you know president trump style of You know nobody else is going to be able to do it the way he does it these. She doesn't like the way he does it. The swamp doesn't like the way that He. Doesn't care about anything other than Americans and honestly. I think that's one of the things that really gets lost sometimes is that people don't see path? Donald Trump, but what they what? They don't see if they even looked a little bit further, was that the only thing he cares about is if you're an American at the end of the day, that is his top priority. Every single day doesn't care. If you're a Republican or Democrat loose state, red state never voted in your life, or do you never will if you're an American, he is fighting for you. And you saw that in his corona virus response that he showed that Democrat run days then Republican runs to ever needed resources dot that so we'll be talking economy jobs, healthcare and opportunity all the way through and presents extrordinary response to viral. And we hosted the president a little over week ago in Phoenix. Arizona, thousand plus students there and the parts of the speech that were most warmly received as when the president really. CA, just I would say pushed the imagination of the audience and talked about. We're going to Mars. We created the Space Force and we did a podcast called. Think big. You know how trump can win reelection again and I've said public, I think the more the president talks about the country that we can be and the the better and so I'm thinking. I really believe that the president is one of the greatest visionaries in American politics, and the more that he leans into that the better and I think that the the left. I can't really articulate what Biden is doing or what he standing for and I want to ask you about that airing. Because you guys have a very good instant response operation at the campaign one of the best that is clipping and monitoring what is being said or not said I didn't watch Joe Biden press conference. I find it to be unhelpful to me. Me Personally, but we will team that does that. Can you just fill us in? What on Earth is going on in the Joe Biden camp, or not going on? Because this is I. Get questions about this all the time. So if you could bring our audience up to speed on what's happening in Joe Biden for America, I think that'd be very interesting. Yeah I. Mean. Here's the thing about Joe Biden. He and he made it actually pretty clear. In his you know remarks, which were full of lies, you saw forty years of DC failure standing up at a podium spreading lies about president trump's, but he debunked lies about President Trump, and then you saw a complicit media stand there and lob softball after softball question at him after eighty nine days of not taking a single reporter question, but he made sure to take them from an approved list, right, he wanted to make sure. Sure that his handlers knew he was GonNa stay in the Nice. Little box that they had created for him because anytime, he tries to go and show who Joe Biden actually is you end up with comments? Like one hundred twenty million Americans died of the corona virus, or that one hundred and fifty million Americans have died since two thousand and seven from gun violence so when Joe Biden gets the opportunity to actually speak A. Sit impossible train of thought to follow because it's never quite a complete sentence, and it was actually you mentioned our war room. There was a clip that I believe. The president tweeted as well of Joe Biden giving an answer in his sign language interpreter, just kind of standing there looking confused as to what she was supposed to be signing two people as a translation for what Joe Biden. Say I mean the media stood there and asked him you know. How do you think the campaign is going? And how do you think that? Do you think the president should be held accountable? If this Russia's story is true? They were just softball after softball question. You didn't hear one question about General Plan in the Logan Act. You didn't hear one question about the mob tearing down statues and the attack on America. You didn't hear any questions about any number of things that have happened in the news. In the eighty nine days, he saw complicit media just excited to stand in front of Joe by. By now one point he said Allah gotTa Make Sure I. Take a question from the Wilmington paper and he called on the Washington Post reporter that anybody in DC would know is is a Washington Post reporter. It was unbelievable Joe. Biden is a failure for forty years, and it took president trump to step into DC for three and a half years to shake everything up to change it around, and the media not only tries to prop I said this before tries to prop joe by up with these failed Poles, but they cover for them when they stand in front of him and ask questions it. Believable what we saw at one point like the last question from a reporter and. NASA about his cognitive ability, abilities and Joe Biden said that he gets tested for almost every day on his kind of to the billy abilities and takes a cognitive test every day I'm I'm really wondering if any of those reporters followed up today on their hard hitting questions to see if he got his daily cognitive ability. I think that's highly questionable. At best mean even Robert Gates. who was the the former? Secretary of state to the necessary second defense for. Joe Biden has even said he's been on the wrong side of every foreign policy decision over the last forty years. That tells you almost everything you need to know so enclosing here Erin. What can people do to get engaged and involved in this campaign is a lot of people that want to help the giving money. What can they do to help? Get the president re elected. That's the great thing about this campaign. Is that whatever time you have to share them? Whenever talent you can share, there's a way for you to be part of the trump campaign. The first thing I recommend everybody do is either go to the apple store, the android store and download the trump twenty twenty campaign app that way you have the campaign in your pocket, giving you live updates all the time of waste to get engaged of what we're doing what we're saying. All the time at your hand, another way is to make sure that like join our text messaging. Trump two, eight, eight, zero two to. It's another way to make sure you're getting information staying involved, and if you want more information directly on what different opportunities look to become part of the team, you can go to army for trump dot com. We've got information on there about becoming a digital activists on the campaign about learning how to make phone calls about helping to step up and become trained to become an election day, operation, volunteer and Charlie. You know the Democrats are. GonNa do their. Best to try and put through one hundred percent male in voting, which is absolutely disastrous policy would mean that every every person that sits on a voter roll which we know is full of people who have moved who are deceased who are no longer eligible vote. All of those people that sit on a voter. Oh, because Democrats regularly don't want those clean states will receive a ballot, and then you allow people to go out and select. Which of those ballots come back in. That's dangerous. You can find out about how to join the election day operations to make sure that we have free and fair election in this country. Country and that we know we have a valid outcome on election day. There's a ton of ways to be involved in our team and to be part of the trump organization to make sure president trump and vice president pence get former years, and honestly whatever ability however people want to get involved and engaged. 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What you need to know about Trump's and Biden's health policies
"America's biopharmaceutical companies are making progress against Covid, nineteen and today have several promising vaccine candidates. With an effort to include people from every walk of life these clinical trials involve tens of thousands of participants from development to clinical trials, and throughout the manufacturing process. These medicines and vaccines are rigorously tested for safety and effectiveness. Go to P. H. R. A. Dot Org Slash Corona virus for updates because science is how we get back to normal. Hello listeners. This is Dan Diamond and welcome to our special pulse check series on the coronavirus outbreak and the trump administration's response. Today. I'm in conversation with my colleague Jeremy Siegel. From our daily dispatch podcast, we're looking at president trump andro Biden's policy on the pandemic. And other health issues ahead of next week's election. It's a busy interesting week for all of us. Let's get to our conversation. Dan Diamond. Hey. Jeremy Siegel how are you know? Dan? I'm good. But today we don't have time for this this. This is this is a serious show, the elections less than a week away so No time for the usual mayhem nothing about the glory of your former. Handlebar. Mustache no ridiculous hypothetical situations certainly nothing about your undying love of the Bachelorette. I'm not going to bring up any of that because this is serious Jeremy I'm more than just my embarrassing haircuts and embarrassing TV shows. I, I like running swimming to all right. We got we got a war personality traits here. Well rounded person. Well actually here here's number five. You're health reporter, and that actually gets to my first question, I? Mean I'm curious being a health reporter not a campaign reporter not a White House reporter obviously, this is a year where health crisis the pandemic has taken things over I. Mean I'm curious have you ever seen an election where you're beat where a health policy issue is at the center of things like it is right now I mean Jeremy. If you'd asked me a year ago or so I was planning that health policy was going to be a big issue this year but it was going to be Medicare for all their strengths of Medicare for all program on not only its universality and it's cost effective. This I was highly confident that either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren if they were the Democratic nominee would put that near the center of their campaigns. Log. GotTa get ripped off and pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs on the Medicare for all, we're going to negotiate negotiate lower drug prices for the government and for every single American and Donald Trump and return would argue back about the risk to the government and healthcare and the rise of socialism those watching at home tonight I want you to know we will never let socialism destroy. American healthcare. Even, Joe Biden didn't. Embrace Medicare for all he was the nominee then that would be a big issue on the left there would be a party fight over what the health policy should be. The way that things played out I mean as everyone says, this was an unpredictable year and coronavirus is so much more important and permeates every single policy in a way that Medicare for all even would not have done and it is hard to think about previous elections where health policy play this role I mean the affordable Care Act did shape the two thousand, ten midterms. The Republicans were able to campaign on that law. They made big strides in taking back power angry voters flocked to the GOP, which will take control of the House of Representatives was a better night for Republicans than they had even hoped for, and they see it as a repudiation of the president and his policies. So Barack Obama only had united control of government for two years. Before the GOP was able to take back one chamber, and then in the twenty twelve presidential election healthcare did play a role but maybe a more muted one because Mitt Romney the Republican nominee was able to really run on opposition to obamacare given that it was modeled so much on what he had done in Massachusetts but healthcare is always a big issue. I mean it's Are usually the dominant domestic policy issue outside of jobs economy sometimes above that depending on the year. I don't think that Corona virus at this point is just health policy though it is everywhere I mean if you WanNa send your kids to school, it's a corona virus issue if you're thinking about going back to work, that's a cuvette issue. So much more than just healthcare at this point obviously for both president trump and Joe Biden the coronavirus pandemic is out front on the campaign trail and we hear you know a lot about their messaging on a day in and day out but. I WANNA really today get into like the nit and grit of of the policy on the pandemic from both candidates we've already seen months of president trump at the helm of the federal government in the middle of global pandemic but for the sake of truly understanding these candidates and you know what they've done and will do. Can you trace the policy and the action from President trump leading up to this week on the pandemic How much time do we have on the podcast? Two and a half minutes. Two and a half minutes to cover ten months or so I mean. We're we're talking what it's Wednesday October twenty eighth while recording this and about ten months ago to the day, the US government was roughly finding out about the outbreak and one China the mystery virus started here in the city of Wuhan Chinese authorities, pinpointing it source to this food market. The US government did not do a ton until late. January today president trump took decisive action to. Minimize the risk of the spread of novel Corona. Virus. In the United States that was after Health Secretary Alex are had been put charge of this coronavirus task force that was emerging today declared that the corona virus presents a public health emergency in the United States working with different parts of the government to be ready for the pandemic, the actions we have taken and continue to take. Complement, complement the work of China and the World Health Organization to contain the outbreak within China be big move that the president made in January, which he continues to tout is limiting travel from China. President took unprecedented action to suspend all travel into the United States from China. Simply. Hit never been done before by any previous administration. and it is among the reasons why the threat? To Americans of Corona virus remains low he calls it a China band that's not totally correct. People were still coming and going tens of thousands. Of Americans, for instance, we're coming back from China even after those travel limitations were put into play but that travel restriction is generally thought even though it's somewhat controversial in some corners generally thought to have been a good thing and I'll say that I've talked to a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who believe that limiting travel from China did slow the spread in the United States early on, but then in February the lack. Of Policy was pretty clear the virus as we know now was silently spreading in the United States very limited in our ability to detect that the CDC had developed a coronavirus test set out to public health labs across the country that test didn't fully work trump's administration was consumed with fighting over how much funding to set aside for responding to coronavirus. There were battles over who lead the task force at the end of February as our was pushed aside in favor of Mike, Pence rather abruptly and Donald Trump play down the risk of the virus because of all, we've done the risk. To the American people remains very low. We have the. Greatest. Experts. Really in the world. Right here, he's admitted as much to Bob Woodward for Bob Woodward's book, but the president did not want to embrace this as a big problem and as Nancy Cook and I reported back in February for politico a lot of that was political the fear that this would be the quote Black Swan event the unpredictable. Meteor that would crash into the presidential campaign for trump and derail everything that his team was hoping to run on primarily successful economy. In March, it became clear that the coronavirus was not going away. This was not a political problem to play down. So instead, the White House did start leaning in legislation providing American workers with paid sick leave and paid family medical. At no cost to employers. And free testing for those who need it and was more of a positive change to combat the virus. The only issue as it came weeks late, a lot of the things that the president did in March or not out of line with what was happening in other countries it just took US longer to get there every American is a role to play in defending our nation. From this invisible horrible. Enemy. It really is it's an invisible enemy. And we will be successful very successful. Much sooner than people would even think. So we say stay at home and save lives. So that was march. What happens next unfortunately, a lot of the same of of these cycles where the president and his team play down the risk of the virus it would come surging back and parts of the country. There might be a response from the federal government but. An uncoordinated response states have complained that they haven't gotten enough support when needing to acquire supplies, there were in races with each other, where are the ventilators where gowns? Where's the PPE's where the masts where are they hospitals battling with other hospitals over who could get what protective equipment and then paying these ridiculous markup rates to do so and as I'm talking to you Jeremy at the end of October, we have now seen it's it's not really in my mind a third wave of coronavirus one continual sturge that's either high tide or low tide, and it's getting back to high tide. We now have viral outbreaks all across the country so we know. At this point that corona virus is sticking around there is very little. We can do unless we adopt really extensive social distancing test and trace wearing masks and have some form of treatment or vaccine that allows us to get back to a more normal life with all that in mind what do you think another term for president trump would mean for the nation's covert response I've gone back and forth on this a lot I mean there's the question of how different would all of us have been if it wasn't an election year with President, trump have been more willing to lean into the problem initially because he would have been less concerned about his re-election. Alternately, maybe the president without having the fear of a referendum would do less. He would care less about the outcomes if there wasn't a chance for voters to register their disapproval with the ballot I i. do think when President Trump talks on the stump in recent days about a vaccine coming soon, we're all set logistically, our military is going to deliver it. It'll be done very quickly. He's probably not wrong Tony Fallacy the infectious. Disease expert does believe that vaccine data will be available in the next few weeks. There remains a pretty good shot of vaccines being rolled out across the country in the summer perhaps twenty, twenty, one, the fall of twenty, twenty, one as various checkpoints are head and distribution is readied but I don't think in the near term we will see much of a different strategy the president has leaned into his rhetoric that this virus is under control. I don't use the word depth they use the word cases cases like Barron trump is a case he has sniffles he was sniffling. One plane accessibility he has played down some of the risks since he himself got sick and got better and I think that's permeated the Republican Party and we have seen a president who wants he adopts a certain tone of rhetoric. Once he leans into in this case, a lot allies about the corona virus it's going to be very unusual to see him make a reversal even if he wins reelection in the next few days. So on the other end, you have Joe Biden attacking trump's response warning about what could happen if trump remains in charge of the coronavirus responsive praises still doesn't have a plan. He's given up. He's quit on you. But what do we know and I mean like details, details details, what do we know about Joe Biden's plan for the pandemic in some ways it is similar to what the president and his team have done and other ways like a souped up version of what they've done and Joe Biden brings some credibility in that one is not donald trump he hasn't spent a year. Playing down the risk of corona virus. If anything Joe Biden tweeted year ago, late October two, thousand, nineteen about the risks of pandemic because the trump administration had in his mind not left the United States. Ready to fight one. He also has a team around him that had fought pandemics during the Obama Administration. I. Just want to provide everyone with a few brief updates on some of the challenges were dealing with right now. I, we are continuing to closely monitor the emergency cases of the H One n one flu virus throughout the United States and say what you will about the Obama Administration's handling of h one, N, one pandemic flu, which when of Joe Biden's as has said in part. The government got lucky that it didn't get worse than than it did but still h one n one was handled much better over a decade ago. Then Corona viruses handled. Now, as I said, this morning, this is obviously a very serious situation. Every American should know that their entire government is taking the utmost precautions and preparations. Barack Obama takes a bit of a victory lap in this week's New Yorker magazine. He talks a bit about his administration's proactive response to h one n one in his decision to let the scientists take the lead. That's something that Joe Biden has committed to doing too. So let me be clear. I. Trust Vaccines I trust scientists but I don't trust Donald Trump. He says on day one he'll call up Tony FAUCI and say please serve under me the government and do whatever you think best. That's obviously a distinction from what president trump has done where he is often mocked Tony Falcone Dr Fauci said don't masks don't, but you see the thing And now he's just put on masks and they say, you know he's a wonderful guy and he is a wonderful guy. I like it just happens of a very bad arm. So I think there will be a difference in tone and scale. Biden has also called for ensuring a thorough test in trace strategy. I'll put a national testing plan in place with a goal of testing as many people each day. As we're currently testing each week, a seven fold increase. So trying to make corona virus testing more widely available, tracing who get sick and forming their contacts that's certainly very different from president trump who has blamed corona virus testing for the high numbers in the United States and I also think that Biden would very quickly. Shift the National Conversation on Corona Virus Donald. Trump. When he is in front of a microphone recently talks about how much progress we have made to fight this disease we are coming around where rounding the turn. We have the vaccines we have everything we're rounding deterrent. Even. Without the vaccines where rounding the turn, it's going to be over. Joe Biden conversely trying to unseat Donald Trump talks about the dark times. Ahead we're about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter, and he has no clear plan, and there's no prospect that there's going to be a vaccine available for the majority of the American people before the middle of next year. Now, his team is is trying very hard on expectation management I reached out to one of his advisors and said, look if you guys win next week what happens next and this person was very quick to say, we do not take control the government until January twentieth. So if things happen on Corona virus between Election Day and inauguration day suing Biden's elected. His team could be involved in the game of expectation management. Don't expect him to do very much right out the gate, but his tone would be extremely different from Donald. Trump. And we know that because we've seen it for the past months. We're going to take a quick break here and we'll be back in just a minute after a message from our. America's bio pharmaceutical companies are making progress against Kovic Nineteen, they've learned from successful vaccines for other diseases they're developing new treatments and they're collaborating like never before. Today there are several promising vaccine candidates in phase three trials with an effort to include people from. Of Life. These trials involved tens of thousands of participants from development to clinical trials and throughout the manufacturing process. These medicines and vaccines are rigorously tested for safety and effectiveness. biopharmaceutical companies are ramping up production capabilities as well. America's bio pharmaceutical companies will continue to work day and night until they defeat cove at nineteen. Go to P. H. R. M. A. Dot Org Slash Corona virus to get the latest updates and browse the data because science is how we get back to normal sir. What sort of barriers do you think potential Biden administration could see in responding to the pandemic as a result of like both the presidential transition and just trying to take on big changes to the nation's course in its response Nancy Cook at Politico has done great reporting on how the trump administration is quietly getting ready for a presidential transition. So I think there's a lot of hope that despite the president's own rhetoric about fighting the election results if it goes against him that his team would be relatively ready to hand off the government to Biden. Late. January but there's also the reality that his team may be in tatters. By late January, I wrote a story for politico this week about the jess officials either streaming out of the government or preparing to if trump loses next week, it always happens in election year that political appointees will leave I would argue and I think a lot of people inside and outside the building would agree with us. The pace of departures has been very high in recent weeks and months because there's been such a coronavirus spotlight. It's been very hard to get work done. It's been very difficult if you're a top official to do your job without having reporters like me scrutinize everything you do. So it's uncomfortable for political appointees, and then there's the reality that the longer they stay. If the president loses the harder might be to get a job next year. If Biden wins if Democrats take back the Senate if they keep the house, there will be much less demand for Republican health policy experts around Washington. So some of the people in. The S headquarters in the Humphry building are effectively competing with each other for jobs if donald trump loses. So Biden could walk into a health department that's been gutted by its response to the pandemic, both morale-wise as well as staff perhaps leaving early I also think that Biden could face resistance from congressional Republicans in a way that Donald. Trump did not when trump got behind pushing more funding to fight Corona Virus Republicans in Congress. Generally supported that. That would be very different I bet under a Democratic president if you look back at how Barack Obama inherited a financial crisis in two, thousand nine and immediately had to fight with members of his party, the moderate members of his party as well as Republicans over fiscal aid. I think that could be a predictor of what we'll see if Joe Biden says we need trillions of dollars and more aid for coronavirus. The coronavirus pandemic, well, it's huge is not the only health issue in this election trump for years has about getting rid of the affordable care act. Tonight I am also calling on Congress to repeal and replace Obamacare. What is trump's exact position on healthcare health insurance. In America what do you think we could see happen under a possible second term will the big X Factor Jeremy? Is that the Supreme Court is set to here in about two weeks? Another legal challenge to the affordable Care Act, and that court is now strongly leaning conservative. There are six justices who have been appointed by Republican presidents. There is a very good chance at this court will turn back the ACA challenge. It's considered legally week even by some conservatives but let's say that the court strikes part or all of Obamacare, in the next few weeks that could mean president trump and his team. If they're reelected have to finally deliver that obamacare replacement plan that could define the early part of twenty twenty one or it could fall to Congress to. Try and figure out some legislative solution to either get around the Supreme Court ruling or come up with its own health plan, and that will depend on the makeup. Of Congress, if it still split with Republicans, controlling the Senate as they do now and Democrats keeping the house in might be a lot harder to see fix for obamacare than if Democrats retake the Senate and are able to craft a law that's more in line with their liking. Meanwhile, the administration does have a lot of regulatory authority and I wouldn't be surprised to see them continuing to strengthen what? They see as alternatives to obamacare health plans that might be cheaper that might be less comprehensive in terms of what they cover. This was a big focus earlier in the trump administration and I wouldn't be surprised to see that effort continuing meanwhile, there are efforts to overhaul Medicaid which is the health insurance program for low income. Americans. This has been a big big health priority during trump administration and there is a somewhat wonky rule but an important one called the Medicaid fiscal accountability rule. This would essentially crackdown on some Medicaid payments there's a lot of resistance to it. From the states from public health experts who worry that, it would choke off needed funding about six weeks ago cms administrator Seema Verma said that she was going to shelve. The rule does give him various feedback that she'd heard, but they didn't pull it entirely and as we pointed out and politico pulse this week that rule is still publicly posted, which means that if the trump administration wins a second term, a lot of public health experts believe that they'll be able to quickly move forward with this now stalled medicaid overhaul because it stayed up online. What about Joe Biden? He was veep when obamacare became law I mean I guess the Supreme Court is still the x factor here. But where does he stand on on health policy and do you think we could see any changes to the ACA or any other major health policies under abided administration would biden and his team would say Jeremy is they're not changing the ACA. They're restoring the ACA after quote sabotaged from the trump administration and Republicans the Biden team has talked a lot about making more AD dollars available more outreach available for obamacare sign ups to encourage people to enroll people who are uninsured or underinsured to go get plans through the obamacare exchanges. Some of that reversal also could be around regulations that don't have to. Do with buying health insurance but simply the protections that patients get the trump administration rolled back and Obama era protection for transgender Americans through the affordable care act. Basically trying to ensure that if you're transgender or broader LGBTQ and you go to the doctor, they are not discriminated against the trump administration pushed back on that. There are folks on the right. WHO. Argue that this is an infringement of their religious liberty. So I'd expect to see the Biden administration moved to rollback many of the changes that the trump administration made to play overall I. also think that the Biden team would look to strengthen health coverage through things like the public option when I'm going to do is pass obamacare with a public option. Become Biden care. The public option is an option that says that if you in fact, do not have the wherewithal to be if you qualify for Medicaid and you do not have the wherewithal. To get Medicaid you automatically enrolled providing competition for insurance companies say that if you are an uninsured American in a state that did not expand Medicaid through the affordable care act, you would then get enrolled into this new public health insurance option or Americans. Who might want to choose the public health insurance option could go that way too. It's sort of a much more soft pedaled way to get to this idea of universal coverage then idea like Medicare for all the. Democratic rivals of Biden's like Bernie Sanders were pushing. So those are some of the big health coverage changes in the regulatory changes that might happen out of the gate. We've covered a lot of ground here today but I'm just curious like as someone who is is not earning out on health policy day in and day out. Are there any other major health issues that you think people you know probably wouldn't know about but should know about looking forward to next week's election. Man I mean that's like a whole. `nother podcast. I think this is gonNA. Be a really really hard argument to make after how the trump administration handled corona virus. But the trump administration did some things on healthcare that bipartisan people really like the trump administration has been moving forward with efforts to improve how kidney care works in. America to boost the number of organ transplants we wrote about that on Wednesday in political pulse that's something that could well continue into the next administration. But before corona virus hit, the trump administration was hoping to point to things like their changes to kidney care like their boost of HIV AIDS resources an idea that Tony Faculty help steer over a year ago that those were positive steps that people on both sides of the aisle could. Get behind I also think there's a very important issue that we expected to dominate twenty twenty before corona virus dominate at least in our healthcare nerd circles. But the idea of surprise medical bills when you were I go to the doctor Jeremy and then were hit with a bill weeks or months later that we didn't expect there is a lot of bipartisan interest in fixing that problem but it didn't happen this year could abide administration make progress when a trump administration wasn't able to. I think that's something that we are looking ahead to twenty twenty one and expecting some movement if not a full solution. All right. That is our show for this week I'm Dan Diamond and my thanks to my colleague and friend Jeremy Siegel for joining me as he has throughout this pandemic to breakdown policies of the two candidates Jenny. Comment is our senior producer. Irene Noguchi is our executive producer. To stay up on the latest round, the pandemic, the politics policy you can sign up for political pulse. That's the morning newsletter that I co author with Adam Cancun. Also. Find our new global pulse newsletter. Check out our episode notes. 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Episode 8: The Right Kind of Woman
"The United States have anxiety is supported by MSNBC. The countdown is on for the most important midterm elections in generation and MSNBC is breaking down all the critical races. Be there for morning Joe. Until the last vote is counted Tuesday November sixth on MSNBC. Listener supported w in Y C studios. The fate James Baptist church in Monroe county. Georgia is just a little over an hour, south of Atlanta morning, or by dead Monroe county, the vibe in the chapel today is just electric. It's got a very Abam two thousand eight feel a room full of black folks. Young and old gathered on the first day of early voting waiting for Stacey Abrams to send them off to the polls councilman Howard. Thank you rever pop there. Thank you mayor or having a here in your town. Again Abrams is running for governor quite famously at this point. Different than the other candidates. If she wins. She'll be the first black woman to serve as governor of any state in all of US history. This may not even be the most radical difference between Abrahams in previous Democrats. She represents a hard break from Democratic Party convention, not only because of who she is. But also because of how she's running Abrahams has pushed Georgia Democrats in two eight totally new kind of campaign, and if her strategy works, it could realize politics all over the south on Cairo. This is the United States have anxiety gender power in the midterm elections. And in this episode we dig into two races that have drawn a lot of headlines one here in Georgia the other up north in New Jersey in each place. A democratic woman has made her party a real contender in previously unimaginable territory by doing and be something totally new. Stacey Abrams is running neck and neck with Republican candidate Brian Kemp. They're vying for an open seat, and there are not enough additives to explain how epic this race has become Kemp is in just about every way Abrams is polar opposite a deep conservative who won an upset victory in the primary by proving just how Trumpy he can be in two things. If you go on date, one of my daughters respect and a healthy appreciation for the second amendment, sir. Yes. That is a shotgun. Clicking in the background. He's been waving it in the direction of the kid who wants to date his daughter. The lead story of this race has been voting rights. There are so many concerns about Republicans suppressing votes in Georgia. The Kip has become a late night. TV punchline many years after all this sitting secretary of state come on guys really the guy in charge of the election is also running the election. That is something African level shit right there. But Stacey Abrams and Brian. Kemp have actually been fighting over voting rights for a long time really Abrams is whole campaign is rooted in voting rights work. She started an organization back in two thousand thirteen that's been credited with registering tens of thousands of new voters and not just in Atlanta. Georgia is a sprawling mostly rural state with a lot of counties only, Texas has more and Abrahams wants to put all of them in play. And that's what's really knew about her. Democrats do not usually go running around rural Georgia. The typical strategy goes something like this you run up the vote in big cities where there are lots of reliably democratic black voters, and then you feel the kind of candidate who appeals to less reliably democratic wealthy white voters in the excerpts of the cities. That was quite a morning, I write with Abrahams as she heads to the next stop on her early voting tour, and she describes what she thinks this typical democratic strategy is just self-defeating. You miss people who were supporting you until they saw that you didn't care about her own strategy is simple go after every vote. You can get everywhere. You can find them. What I mean is that clay county may have fifteen people who haven't voted before. But if I can get them engaged, then they decide they want to vote. They get added to five thousand folks in Clayton county who also have voted before. And I add them to fifteen to twenty thousand the cab county voters and over time what we do is develop the two hundred and fifty thousand votes weenie. And this is how she landed an upset victory in the democratic primary. She went one hundred and fifty three of the one hundred fifty nine counties, but I think what's really important is that so many Democrats have written off the south, Christina Greer is a Fordham university political scientist has been a focal Abram supporter, among Democrats nationally. She says the party at all levels has refused to invest and building meaningful statewide campaigns in the south, and you know, some of the research that I did down there when I was speaking to black voters. They kept reminding me Obama didn't win Georgia. You know, this is not going to be easy for Stacy. And somehow she's been able to do the work across the state to really change the minds of Democrats to help them believe that actually they can get the leadership that they want, and they shouldn't just seed it to their publicans just because it's a midterm year. Now to be clear. There's a good reason. Democrats haven't adopted this strategy before it's really really hard to pull off because in many of George. Counties democracy is up against some hard realities. The day before I met Abrahams. I went down to clay county about one hundred eighty miles south and west of Atlanta on the Alabama border. It's home to about three thousand people spread along winding. Forested roads. I met surely, Cody. Doing good. You're right Shirley's. A seventy four year old minister who laughs easily her small ranch homes sits on a big grassy lot with an unpaved drive, and she's worried my little city car is gonna get stuck. Saying out here, we we have a lot of sand. Even though we don't head off this rain, but the sand is still here. It's just a few days after hurricane Michael has passed through. And you can see the damage everywhere. It was terrible. And do you know, I have like my neighbors. And FEMA just call and let them know that they are going gonna be out passing out food or water because people have lost all visit. Right. And I'm giving Shirley a ride to church not the ones she leads. That's just up the street. Right. Pastor brother's house. We're going to church where she's to be a guest speaker today. It's a couple of miles away. And that's further than it sounds because like a lot of her neighbors, surely doesn't have a car and the only way for her to travel is to walk on narrow roads with cars zipping past at fifty five miles an hour. And that should give you a sense of what Shirley's up against. But also of how determined she is about her mission. She's trying to make sure everybody in this county, and the surrounding counties knows that early voting has begun. So she bums rights. She carpools southwest Georgia is one of the poorest pockets of this state of the country really people travel, thirty forty miles just to find work. We live in a dominant black community where we have homes, but all of the home said, not sustainable for living conditions because the younger generation inherited homes in everything, but they don't have the money to sustain them and keep them up the struggling, but those kind of things. Surely used to live in Atlanta. She worked as a nurse and did a lot of activism up there. But winter parents got old came home to care for them. When it was a great place to live for me and growing up here. But when I return back, I realized that things did not go forward over the past couple of generations, poverty and felt was Georgia has just steadily intensified during the two thousand eight recession. It was one of the worst hit regions in the nation. I didn't understand one happened. Because at one time we had industry we had import export up and down the river. So -t's great. It was fabulous. We even had traffic light. Now, we don't have anything. And yet surely has kept at it for years trying to build some kind of political power for black people in this part of the state. And now she has put her faith in Stacey Abrams. Right. Chilies been coming to this church since she was a kid. Of course, it's a lot smaller congregation now today, it's just about ten people. And at the end of the service they invited to the front. Okay. I won't be long. I just wanted to talk to you. I'll briefly about upcoming election. As we offers her help in figuring out how to use an absentee voting ballot. And she talks a bit about the importance of voting in general. But you get the sense that this crowd knows that stuff already. So she moves onto her real ask I got a couple of posters, and I would like to give those out to ones that's active a note. Birch miss the job if you would put these up anywhere, you think that to remind people is to let them know what they need to bring when they go to vote because a lot of times people don't know if they have voted before. And here's the real rub for Stacey Abrams. Remember, her strategy is to engage this broad swath of voters in previously ignored places places like southwest, Georgia. But the biggest challenge to that is the fact that voting in Georgia has become quite a complicated business. Thanks, primarily to Brian Kemp who has been absolutely lethal in terms of voter suppression. This is Emory University. Professor, Carol Anderson, who's new book, one person no-vote traces, the erosion of voting rights since the civil rights movement. She says Kim has been a trailblazer for Republican election officials all over the country who have come up with an array of tactics for reducing turn out all of which land hard and places like clay county places with a lot of poor black residents. You can think of it is working in three stages. First there's the stuff that stops you before you even get. Started. So for instance, here in Georgia. They've got a type that keeps you from registering to vote at all and that's called exact match, and that is where your voter registration card is matched up against the databases either from the social security office or from the department of motor vehicles. And if there is one thing off so say your name has a hyphen in it on your driver's license. But as you wrote it in on your voter registration card. It doesn't have a hyphen that kicks your voter registration out. This is the program that's been a huge national news story. The AP reports that more than fifty three thousand voter registration applications have been on hold with Georgia's secretary of state Brian Kemp. But that's for new voters. There's a second tactic for people who registered a long time ago voter roll purges voter purges, also go after this notion of rampant voter fraud. That's been. Kim's argument that he's just preventing voter fraud. Of course, it bears repeating that. There is no evidence of a meaningful fraud problem. Still this summer the Brennan center for Justice found that Georgia had purged ten percent of its registered voters in just the past two years alone. And that's the first and second stage. The final stage is when you actually show up to vote on election day, there's the voter ID laws and understaffed precincts and stuff like that. But in Georgia they've destroyed up close the doors of the voting booth. Georgia has already closed two hundred and fourteen polling places. That's since the supreme court weakened the enforcement authority of the Voting Rights Act six years ago, according to an analysis by the Atlanta Journal constitution, and it's happened all over the south actually once a rights group found that eight hundred and sixty eight polling places have been closed in seven mostly southern states, which means people in places like clay county are now traveling much much further to vote what we know is that for every tenth of a mile at a polling places moved from the black community African American voter turn out goes down by point five percent. One of the things that they had tried in Sparta Georgia, and this is wrapped in the language of just being reasonable. You know for fiscal reasons into consolidate all of these polling places because elections are really expensive when they did their consolidation. They tried to put the voting precinct for the black community. Seventeen miles away. Seventeen miles away. Okay. Now we coming up. Not yet. Get to the bras gonna turn this after church surely has me driver to where she says folks around here had been voting for as long as she can remember, okay? This is a voting precinct that was closed. They said they closed that because it was in need of repair. It's a little yellow brick building. Just off the side of the main road that runs through this section of the county, and they closed us two years ago. Two years ago. No warning. And we get ready to vote. Oh, we've got to tell you you have to go to four days people came here. The as people so used to coming here and define. Oh, no you have to go to four days. That's the county seat. It's about ten miles away. Surely says that's a radical change, especially for all the people who are ready have to travel long distances to find work. They get come here early in the morning before they go to work and the ones that got off late in after noon before seven they cast their vote and in cuddle so it worked for them. But now how are we going to reach them? So now, I gotta try to get out the best way I can reach those young people. Let them know they can vote early. Let's try to get some votes in that way or do absentee. So that's what I got to educate them on. On another Archer. Randolph county is right next door to clay. Now, you might recognize Randolph. Because again, it's a voting rights story from Georgia that has drawn a lot of national attention election officials there tried to close seven of the county's nine polling places earlier this year surely car pulled over to Randolph and join the fight to keep those polls open and they won. And that's what Stacey Abrams takes from all this. She says she's got Brian Kitts number. My campaign has been rounded in a very clear understanding of his approach because I've watched him do this over successive elections. I knew what he was going to do. And we've done everything in our power ten -ticipant and block it including this early voting tour like, Shirley, Cody Abrahams wants everybody to know all of their options, and it's plainly working in just the first week of early. Voting turnout was three times that of the last governor's race. We're going to transform the elector. We're going to bring new voices and Adnew voters and. It's hard for people to see that. Because they're so used to looking at the same narrative and the same composition of the electorate or worse. They're used to dreaming that something new will happen, but not putting the work into make it. So, and that's really what's different about our campaign. I don't believe the demography is destiny I think demography is a pathway, but it takes work, and we are the first campaign in the deep south to put in the work. So we'll see if that worked pays off for Georgia. Democrats it'll be one of the most closely watched returns on election night. And by all indicators, it'll go down to the last of which is precisely why questions over voting rights matter so much here. But either way Abrahams has already changed her own party's politics. If Stacey Abrams is successful. We will see hopefully, we will see this model replicated, this is Christina Greer again. I see her as a beacon for especially women, people of color and women of color to say, okay. I may be running and my party may not necessarily support me in the ways that it could or should. But if I have clear vision, I have a message, and I work hard. I can actually make some strides. I mean, what's the even has been able to do in the state of Georgia without real institutional support from the national party has been borderline incredible enemy ical. So that's Georgia next. We go to a very different kind of race. But one in which once again a woman running for office has given the local Democratic Party new life in a previously imaginable place. The United States have supported by MSNBC. The countdown is on for the most important midterm elections in generation immigration, health care, the trade war gun control. It's all on the ballot this year and MSNBC helps you make sense of it all reporting on the issues at stake and breaking down the critical races that will determine control of congress. Be there from morning Joe until the last vote is counted the vote for America's future, Tuesday, November sixth on MSNBC. Hi, I'm Jenny Kaplan. And I'm the host of one her media networks. Hot cast women belong in the house more people than ever are stepping up and taking action a record number of women are running for office this year, we're telling their stories, I'm asking who are these people and why in the world did they decide to run why are there so few office to begin with? And what would be different if that chain checkout women belong in the house wherever you get your podcasts. We'll bring you weekly dosed with pope and optimism. Let's pivot from Georgia to the suburbs of New Jersey where a woman running for congress in the eleventh district represents a very different kind of challenge to the Republican party. But one that may be just as formidable as Stacey Abrams for different reasons. WNYC's Nancy Solomon has been tracking this race very closely. Hansi hi Chi. The last time we checked in with you. You told us about this group of women in New Jersey who had managed to take down their Republican congressman who'd been in the seat for like twenty years. That's right. Rodney freeling Heisman Rodney freeling Isan. And now you've been focused on the woman who is trying to replace him. I have she's a democrat. She's been a rising star in this election. Even though she's never run for office before. And her name is Mikey shero. I have followed. This woman all over this district. I watched her at a small town Labor Day parade. We went to a street fair where people now recognizer, and they just come up to her and mob around her and oneself fees. South here take it's not a stretch to say that they're kinda gushing over her. You're beautiful. You're absolutely gorgeous. So it seems like she's a pretty popular candidate. But house you look in the polls she's up by about four points, which is really right at the margin of error. But you know, there are couple other indicators that make it look like she's doing pretty well. I mean, let's remember this is a Republican district. It has more Republican registered voters, and it has had a Republican Representative since nineteen eighty four. But there were three things going on. That are worth looking at one is she's got this enormous group of activists in the district who are knocking on doors and calling people and working on her behalf. She's gotten a lot of endorsements. No candidates always get endorsements, but she's gotten some unusual ones for a democrat in this district, most notably the policemen's union in the Firemen's union. And she's got a lot of veterans behind her. And then the biggest indicator really is she's out raising her opponent j Weber seven to one she's got seven million dollars to his one that she's brought in which is to say, Mike assure a really has turned this district on its head. Yes. And so why do you think that is well some of this is the reaction to Trump? There are a lot of Republicans in this district, but they're, you know, largely moderate Republicans, and he's just not that popular in this part of New Jersey. But I think there's another way to think about it. I mean, this district is predominantly white eighty two percent. It's almost completely suburban. And what's not suburban is rural at the same time. You know, Mikey Cher really represents for this district. The perfect kind of candidate that the Democrats needed. And why is that? What do you mean by that? Well, all you really have to do is watch her campaign ads before the navy. Let me fly one of these pass a lot of tests. This is a woman who's a former navy helicopter pilot goal prepares to work together and get the job. Done. I'm making share a she was a liaison between the US navy and the Russian government. She learned Arabic at one time and became a federal prosecutor, we need to congress to the tech. And she's a mom of four kids. She's really everything these are all qualities that arguably appeal to white Republican voters, and it really kicks the ground out from under the Republicans in terms of their ability to be big supporters of the military and one of the biggest employers, by the way in the New Jersey eleventh is an arsenal that depends on military funding. So in the way, she's almost the flip strategy of Stacey Abrams in terms of how Democrats are remaking the electorate, right? If Stacy is talking about, hey, we don't need to chase these moderate whites. If we get all of our supporters who are black and people have colored out you have Mikey. Who is instead saying, hey, I'm just the kind of person to reach. The moderate whites of this district. Yeah. This is a strategy that appeals to a base for these kinds of districts. I mean, this isn't just in the New Jersey eleven this is all across the country. You see a tremendous number of women running for congress this year more than ever and a tremendous number of women who are veterans several of them with this incredible resume of having fought to get into flight school to become fighter pilots, and helicopter pilots and the sort of thing. So she fits right in with this group where you have these white suburbs that are mostly Republican or slightly Republican where Trump won by a point. But they're essentially moderate will educated white districts, and as we've talked about this is precisely where the Democrats either are not going to take the house and particularly based on the votes of women. So how has mic shows experience bid as a woman in this race? Well, let let's talk for minute about her name, Mikey, right, Mikey, Cheryl. Her full name is Rebecca Michelle, Cheryl, you know, this is not a traditional name for women, obviously. And I asked her Where'd came from a when I was about to. My dad's had wouldn't it be cool? If we called you Mikey from middle name show in my huff said no I said, yes. And I guess decided I would not answer to anything except Mikey. And before she was known. She would get calls to the office, and she'd be talking to potential voter or someone who may be wants to donate money. And they just assumed Mikey was a guy think. Oh, yeah. I'm definitely voted for him. Yeah. No. I've heard that too. People just assume she was a man, right? So how does Mike show fair among women voters though, specifically in New Jersey, she's doing quite well. And I think this is again something that is happening in suburban districts all over the country. I spoke with Christine Todd Whitman about Mikey cheryl's candidacy for people who don't know her or don't remember. She is a notable figure in New Jersey. She's a Republican. She was the first and only woman to be elected governor of the state. She's been very critical of President Trump. And she says that Mikey Cheryl really is a very tough candidate for a Republican to beat in this time. And in this moment, she is really out there, working hard and right now with a gap that Republicans have amongst women, which is extrordinary. It's a chasm not a gap anymore. That's going to be a hard thing. Overcome a chasm. Those are strong words from Republican. Yeah. Yeah. And it's starting to show up in the polling. Monmouth university had a poll in this district just the week of the bread Cavanaugh confirmation hearings and his ultimate confirmation, and it found the whole debacle hadn't necessarily changed people's minds, but the gender gap really is widening it found that fifty seven percent of women prefer Mikey Cheryl in the district to only thirty five percent who support her opponent j Webber. So did you see much reaction to have it all out on the campaign trail? I did I was with Mike is Cheryl on October seventh. It was the Sunday after the confirmation and swearing in. And we went to a meet and greet at somebody's home in Livingston egging her having here's is he and out of the gate. There were just several women who were super motion in this stuff just came bubbling right up, isn't it? From what I've heard over over again is that the difference in this election. It's going to be getting the non-voter to be voter. I heard alive. Really affect Assey and is easy to get lost. In Washington is easy things that are happening. Energize under control. So. So we can. SO his taking back this seat. Let's say so to answer your question Chi. It's not just the polling. There's a social movement happening in the suburbs. And it's made up of middle aged middle class white women and they intend to knock on every registered democratic door in the district between now and election day. It's a level of mobilization and activism that we haven't seen in New Jersey and a longtime people are comparing it to the antiwar movement and saying this is bigger and more involved in more active than those days. So from New Jersey to Georgia, whatever the outcome election day women have melted campaigns this year that have changed at least the Democratic Party in profound ways. But let me return to something Nancy pointed out earlier in the episode how Rebecca must show Cheryl became Mikey, Cheryl, the seems to be choice she made willingly. But it reminded us something that's been happening for a long time to women who run for office. Take US Senator Patty Murray of Washington state. She was famously elected as the mom in tennis shoes during the last year the woman in nineteen Ninety-two in democratic consultants initially told her that she should somehow conceal her gender starting with her name. People told me when I ran not to use the name, Patty because people might think of me as a woman, and I said, I am running the woman. For more on that thought we go now to our colleague, Ana sale, host of the excellent death sex and money podcast from WNYC studios and recent episode, Anna, sit down with Jennifer Granholm who was both the first woman to be elected governor and attorney general of Michigan when you run for office as a woman, this is what I was told this is different. Now, I think, but when I was first running for office one I had to cut my hair into short short super short, and which I kind of like anyway, but but it was it was instruction. It was you had to cut your hair. I actually asked my hairstylist because hung when I first ran is in my thirties. And so I said community seven, right, right? Can you can you put some gray streaks in and at the time? They didn't have product that was good for that. Because it make me look like I'd blue hair which really be tree. I can't do that. So you know, you. You have to look completely asexual. And you cannot have people look at you. And the first thing they think about is how you are shaped what you are wearing you have to be as neutral as possible. So that people will pay attention to the words that are coming out of your out of your mouth. There is no way you should be showing any any boobs. Any? You can't even you shouldn't be showing your toes. You know, you're out of office too. I were here to handle three toes. Free. Those toes who told you to cut your hair, it, you know, you have consultants, right? All around you who who are actually I wanted to because I didn't want, you know, I didn't want to I wanted to look tough. I didn't wanna be distracting, you know, if I had long blond hair. I would be you know, you don't want the Bimbo thing a. Applied to at all, you know. So I wanted to do it as well. But they you know, there's a whole series of things that you do when you run for office. Do you remember feeling him, Dan, and resentful at any of the particular instructions, I don't think I mean I in order to feel him din resentful? I think you had to be more aware than I was just learning. Oh, really is that how you doing? Okay. So if I had more experience in life, perhaps I would've felt resentful. If I were doing it now, I would definitely feel resentful. But then I was a young woman. I was like, oh, okay. I guess I gotta do this to be like were you told to emphasize deemphasize that you would be the first female attorney general emphasize? It was obvious that I was a woman. Right. I didn't have to say that everything you had to emphasize. You did the emphasize your children. Oh, yeah. People don't because they were nervous. I mean, I had a ten month old, right? And so they would wanna know. Well, what the hell we're not going to send a woman in there when she's got she's going to be torn and her kids will be at home and who's watching the kids and all of that. So if you looked at any of my literature, you didn't see kids, you know, that you have your husband. You didn't even really see my husband. It was all about this disembodied creature who was going to fight for you. Because you don't want to remind people of the mess that is a family and all of that. And it would make you look to to potentially diverted. And did you have a standard line when someone would ask who's looking after your toddler who's looking after your baby? Well, had three at that point in looking after your kids, right? So yeah, I would say, you know, John angler who was the governor had triplets said, I'm sure you've asked him that very question. Right. They did participate with me like in. Parades and stuff, but after a few parades. It you know, it gets kind of old, and you don't wanna drag kids to something. They don't want to go to because that's a terrible picture. So that enough of your mom, if you're a bad mom with a crying baby, right? That was former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm conversation with innisfail host of death sex and money here at WNYC studios. And if you like what you heard from and the DSM team, then you should subscribe to deaths and money, you can get it on your favorite podcast app or visit them at death sex money dot four, and it's full conversation. With Jennifer Granholm is waiting there for you and your feet, and if you wanna hear more from Patty Murray, and the mini US senators we have spoken to for this season. We put together a little yearbook of the women of the Senate, and you should check it out. You can go to WNYC dot org slash sitters or you can follow WNYC on Instagram. The United States things -iety is a production of WNYC studios in the newsroom of WNYC episode is reported by me, Alison light. And Jessica Miller if he saw him in reported from New Jersey it was ended by Christopher worth. And Karen Freeman who is also our executive producer. She does our technical director. 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Thu. 05/09 Two Campaigns Unionize
"Primary ride home for Thursday may ninth two thousand nineteen. I'm your host Chris Evans today how Amy klobuchar ours? Fox News townhall turned out campaign workers for two candidates have now joined unions, comma, Harris introduces a Bill to help public defenders and Elizabeth Warren releases her plan to eliminate opioid addiction. Here's what you missed today from the campaign trail. As we discussed yesterday. Senator Amy klobuchar spoken a town hall events in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that was aired live on Fox News host Martha McCallum and Brett Baer introduced the candidate and explained the building they occupied the green exchange building used to buy and sell wheat in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds and by the way for a place wants to vote to weet trading. This is a spectacular building. I mentioned this in part because the space itself was almost overwhelming and its opulence. It was a great choice for the event because it seemed to recall a time of tremendous prosperity for Wisconsin with many of the questions revolving around the economy that matters. Okay. So what happened in the town hall? Well, to be perfectly honest. Most of it was uneventful except for one very notable exchange. We'll get into in a moment. And that's probably good news for club char, relatively speaking. For democratic primary candidates watching these. Fox News town halls I by Sanders, and now by clo- char there has to be a certain curiosity about what their treatment will be like whether the host will ask fair questions and give time for real answers. And whether the audience seems to have real people with real questions and for the most part. Yeah. Totally. This was a normal and fair town hall and Fox News deserves credit for that the event involved questions from the audience and the hosts who gave club which are plenty of room to cover her talking points. Criticizing the Republican tax cut saying that ObamaCare should be expanded giving her proposal for free two year community college and even a personal story about her father's alcohol, addiction and subsequent treatment. It was for the first half hour and absolutely typical townhall. The most notable moment of the night was when the hosts tried to draw a parallel between clove hitches treatment of Senator Al Franken who resigned after allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced, remember Frank and club char we're both senators from in a soda the hosts compared. And contrasted quotes club char gave to the media about Franken with her questioning of Justice wreck Cavanaugh in the Senate Judiciary committee. It seemed like their argument was that club char was being hypocritical by going after Cavanaugh, but giving Franken some kind of pass I'm gonna play a set of clips here, and I'm actually going to cut off portions of chars- answers. So you can see how the line of questioning develops. And in part how close which are responds. Okay. In this first bit, Martha McCallum speaks first. I have a pushing for you when you're fellow Minnesota Al Franken faced sexual misconduct allegations. You did an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, and you said for some of these things there should be a process, and I felt like this was one of them. Why just for some of these situations? I think for all of these situations you've gotta have a process that works. And while there is a lot of focus, of course, on what famous people have done, and there's some really outrageous criminal things that have happened in this area. We wanna make sure we are also protecting the nurse in the hospital the worker on the factory floor. Okay. Cut that off because we're going somewhere with this club. Ajar started talking about how she worked on BI partisan legislation related to sexual harassment in congress itself enduring that answer the Kalam cuts club off to pursue this line of questioning listen to this bid. I lead that Bill. And we completely overhauled. Process because it's an important part of this part of the conversation that has now become a more prominent part of this. Yes station. So when you say Al Franken that there should have been more due process in his situation. You've also said that he deserves the third act in his career. So do you believe that in some aspects of the metoo movement has gone too far? I think you look at things on a case by case basis. I don't think it's gone too far. Because I think we still have a rasping going on in the workplaces. All I'm saying is one cases an exactly like another and for anyone that is accused of harassment now you can edge over into criminal acts, which is a way different situation rape things like that. But when that happens, you just have to have a plate a process in your workplace. So you figure out you get the facts managers do people do people have a right to bring their cases forward. And then you make a decision on how they're handled that answer went on further. But I only wanna use the minimum audio necessary to understand what's. Happening here. Okay. So club shark and clearly tell what's coming here and Ashi is wrapping up her answer to applause from the room bear jumps in with this next bit. He doesn't even wait for the applause to stop to every workplace in Wisconsin and across our country one about. Breath. Kavanagh did he have due process when he was questioned by you in that committee? Did he have due process being innocent before proven guilty by Democrats in that? And this is where it gets really interesting. The camera goes to club char during the question, and she starts smiling. Like a really big smile during bears questions. She even looks out into the audience and seems to silently laugh to herself for just a moment in my reading of that body language. It looks like somebody who knew this precise line of questioning was going to be coming at some point. And I guess it seemed almost funny to her because of its predictability not, of course, because of its content. So let me remind you earlier in this town hall, like just twenty minutes earlier clo- char had volunteered. Several stories about growing up as the child of an alcoholic father, and how his repeated drunk driving arrests eventually led him to seek treatment. And how. That experience led Clova char to make legislative proposals around substance abuse and mental health treatment. Anyway, all of that, the cavenaugh hearings growing up with an alcoholic parent. And that big smile during the bear question are very pertinent to what happens next. Okay. So let's rejoin the action here in the final clip only smiling because like he got a really good job out of the whole thing. Okay. He's like on the supreme court at the United States. Yes. I think he did we had a process and that process was a hearing before the Senate, and that that hearing went on and then new evidence came out, and that was evidence for from Dr Blasi Ford who we've in my colleagues on the other side of the out who supported judge cabin on voted for him said that she was credible. So she came forward with her story. What bothered me was that? After my colleague said, she was credible. Then the next thing you hear is really this basic political. I think responds with judge Cavanaugh, basically, not just dissing her story. He is a right to put his story on. But basically politicizing the whole judiciary with how we acted. I disagreed with that. And I was very surprised when I was simply trying to mesh her story in the morning with his story. So I said, well, you know, people can black out. And maybe you don't remember what happened and instead of just answering that question he went right at me and said, basically have you blacked out have you do drink beer and all these things, and I decided I could have gone down there with them. But I decided in my head maybe triggered with my dad. I thought okay, I'm taking the keys away from you. I am not going down here with you. And we saw that answer the question we saw John was just kind of asking from the standpoint of do you think there's a difference in how you looked at the Franken thing and how you looked at the brick cavern thing. No, I don't think. So because I said niece cases process. I had reasons to not vote for Brad Kavanagh related to how we had handled. Consumer cases how we handled antitrust case another executive power. Yeah. And that was the headline maker of the night. There's a whole article on vox about that. There's a link to that in the show notes. So after the exchange above FOX cut to commercial reset and came back taking audience questions again and much else happened. You know, typical a town whole stuff, but this exchange represents a key set of moments for club ajar here. She is able to draw on her own personal experience and her professional experience in the Senate to make points about how she thinks about these issues. It's clear that on both sides here. The cavenaugh hearings are still a very raw fresh issue. You in the minds of politically engaged people. But the fact is clover char really is qualified oath professionally and personally to engage in that stuff. And in the exchange. We just played she managed to put together, those two sides, the personal and the professional in a way that made sense. And I wanna point out one more thing the cabin. Hearing was another moment where club char and fellow Senator comma Harris made big headlines for their specific questioning of people on the stand while just doing their jobs in the Senate. This kind of thing will only continue as the primaries continue. But basically, given you have three candidates third being Booker were all on the Senate Judiciary committee that means their own a position to make headlines just by doing their jobs, and you can bet that they will. And I will keep bringing you the audio as they do that. The primary ride home is brought to you in part by anchor anchor is the easiest way to make your podcast complete with tools to record edit monetize and hosts the show all in one place and all four free. The results down great. You're listening to them right now is a native app for anchor on your phone, and it's also on the web now anchor host the podcast files for you also for free and makes them available to everybody. People listening on Spotify, apple podcasts, Google podcasts and a whole bunch more. Plus anchor helps you earn money from your podcast with no minimums to download the anchor app or go to anchor dot FM to get started. That's anchor dot F M. The union vote is essential for Democrats. It's part of every speech, Joe Biden gives is at the heart of the stop and shop strikes. We covered a few weeks ago, and it is a genuine area of disagreement between Democrats and Republicans. But in what is honestly bit of a price to me to democratic primary candidates have announced their own campaign staffers have unionized with the support of the candidates Senator Bernie Sanders went I in a story reported last night the Sanders campaign claimed it was the first campaign in history to ratify a collective bargaining agreement. Hourly workers in that campaign are now offered overtime pay for example, which is something that campaigns are infamous for abusing well not anymore. At least not for the Sanders campaign. The Sanders campaign staffers are now represented by the United food and commercial workers international union local four hundred in a press release from the US CW a bunch of new benefits for workers were just listed out among them our healthcare benefits. For all field. Organizers a twenty dollar an hour wage plus healthcare for interns at the national HQ a cap on management pay relative to staff salaries a bunch of policies for reviewing compensation reporting grievances and various vacation and time off policies that are frankly, not typical at all in a campaign usually a campaign as a kind of work until you drop kind of fair. Well, now, there are explicit limits on that work and those are benefits for the workers, according to union reps Sanders agreeable throughout the multi-month process, and they were able to go she at the contract very quickly. But looking at it through a political lens? This is not just good news for campaign workers working for Sanders. It is Sanders throwing down the gauntlet right in front of Biden in Biden's first campaign appearance. He called himself, quote a union man period, and quote, now Sanders has a wedge his campaign is unionized. And he's going to talk about that. Well. Biden's campaign unionized. No, we're gonna have to see how Biden and the other campaigns react. Well, guess what? Sanders who is not the only one yesterday who announced a campaign union Representative Eric swallow. Well, tweeted his announcement to saying that his campaign staff has formerly been sworn in as members of the Teamsters his plan had been in the works for several months to. So it's apparently a coincidence that both campaigns announced their unionization on the same day. Also in swallows tweet right after the union announcement he expressed support for the Uber and lift ridesharing drivers who are currently on strike in a labor dispute. He wrote, quote, we'll always stand with working Americans and support their right to organize and take collective action. Our campaign will not use these services during the strike and quote. So the question becomes which campaign will be the next to unionize place, your bets, folks. Yesterday. Senator Kamala Harris introduced what she calls the equal defense act a Bill that would help public defenders as they do their work on behalf of those accused of crimes the basic idea is to reduce the number of cases, each public defender has to juggle and to fund training for those defenders now much of the coverage of this Bill has started out with one super obvious detail. Which is that Harris is a former prosecutor not defense attorney. Well, okay, that's fine. But she's not a prosecutor anymore and she has seen firsthand. The effect of large caseloads on overburdened. Public defenders reading from an ABC news story about the Bill, quote, the California senators proposal would establish a two hundred fifty million dollar grant program, which would put a cap on the amount of work. Fulltime public defenders can take on ridge the pay gap between public defenders and prosecutors within five years and generate yearly data on workloads. It would also allocate. Five million dollars for comprehensive training for public defenders. It would also triple funding for an existing program that gives loan repayment deals for lawyers pursuing public defense work and quote, incidentally, in this bills title, it's called the equal defense act and equal is a backroom that somehow stands for ensuring quality access to legal defense. Don't look at that too hard because you'll see there's some like missing letters and extra letters in the word defence is kind of used twice. But still you gotta keep it. Catchy. It's fine. Here's a quote from Harris herself from her Senate page about the Bill quote after spending my career around the criminal Justice system. I've seen up close how it can fail to ensure that poor defendants receive a fair trial and due process as guaranteed to all of us in our constitution. All too often. Are public defenders are overworked and lack sufficient resources this makes public defense unsustainable over the long haul and the thing suffers the. The integrity of our system of Justice, which is supposed to be based on fairness and equality. It's wrong. And it's the opposite of Justice and quote in a statement released by Harris, the Bill has earned endorsements from dozens of prominent figures in California as well as orgnisations, including the American Civil Liberties union and the NWC P legal defense fund. And last up today. Elizabeth Warren has released another policy plan, titled my comprehensive plan to end the opioid crisis. Here's what Warren road to begin. Her proposal quote life expectancy in the US dropped again in two thousand seventeen part of the longest sustained decline in a century one largely driven by the opioid epidemic. More than six hundred eighty five thousand Americans have died from a drug overdose in the US this century. And it's getting worse in two thousand seventeen that number was seventy thousand people the highest year on record. And the majority of those deaths were due to opioids emergency room visits for opioid overdoses have skyrocketed children have lost their parents and only a very small percentage of those suffering ever receive the treatment they need and quote. So the problem is clear and those numbers give us a grim. Reminder of its scope further down Warren compares the opioid crisis. To the HIV aids crisis of the nineteen eighties and nineties and says a similar kind of mobilization is needed right now. In fact, she models. Her proposal on the Ryan white Care Act of nineteen ninety which provided funding for communities dealing with the HIV aids health crisis as well as individuals coping with HIV AIDS. Warren's new proposal is simply called the Care Act as a nod to the Ryan white Bill in it. She proposes allocating one hundred billion dollars in federal funding over ten years. There's a detailed breakdown in her post where each dollar goes Lincoln, the show notes as always the basic idea is to provide resources for the communities that have been hit the hardest plus drug therapies like no lock zone for people who are currently addicted and funding for research and training reading for more in here. Quote, if the Care Act becomes law every single person would get the care. They need scores of legislators in congress have signed on to support this plan. The nation's top experts on the crisis stand behind it. It's. Sells out in detail terms. Exactly, how funding would get the communities that need it most. We should pass it not in two years, not after the twenty twenty elections. But immediately, and quote, she also talks about how to fund it. Using her tax on the old tra- wealthy checkout Tuesday show for a super detail rundown of how that would work and finally Warren says she will visit Kermit West Virginia, which is small town on the Kentucky West Virginia border. Now Kermit is kind of ground zero for the opioid crisis. Having received more than thirty thousand opioid pills per resident over just a couple of years West Virginia as a state is one of the hardest hit in the country by this opioid crisis. So her appearance there is very appropriate. Well, that's it for another episode of the primary ride home. I have been your host, Chris Higgins. You can always find me on Twitter at Chris GAN's. You know, I wonder what to say in these out tro moments and for today thinking about two important moments in recent human history on this day may ninth in eighteen sixty five president Andrew Johnson issued a proclamation that officially ended the US civil war one century later today in nineteen sixty five the USSR attempted to land there. Luna five craft on the moon. Previous missions have simply crashed into it. That was intentional. Luna five they were going for a soft landing. Well, Luna five crashed and broke up. Sometimes it is hard to stick the landing. Thanks for listening. And I will talk to y'all tomorrow.
Two different stories of American unrest
"Jacob bleak was shot seven times in the back by a Kenosha Wisconsin police officer in late August. He didn't matter. But my son matters. Since that shooting Kenosha has been the site of unrest protests, vandalism and violence Janusche is still hunkered down boarded up in reeling from days of flaming buildings in anger in the streets. Days after the protests and unrest began seventeen year old kyle rittenhouse travelled a short trip from his home to Kenosha were self declared militia members armed counter protesters had been appearing Rittenhouse was armed with a rifle later, authorities say writtenhouse shot three protestors killing two of them. President trump has condemned violence from those. He calls rioters and looters yet trump suggested rittenhouse acted in self defense. I guess he was in very big trouble. He would have been he probably would have been killed, but it's under it's under investigation. Trump has emphasized what he calls message of law and order defending law enforcement, condemning protesters and insisting Democratic leaders and Democratic nominee Joe Biden are responsible for the country's turmoil. Biden meanwhile has focused on a message of unity. He sought to strike a difficult balance between condemning violence on all sides of the political spectrum and acknowledging racism in the country and in policing trump i. look at this violence I, see lives and communities. And the dreams of small businesses being destroyed the opportunity for real progress on issues of race and police reform. And Justice. Be Put to the test. The, two candidates are painting very different pictures about the state of our country and about the causes of unrest. So as we head toward the November election, how much are these two starkly different narratives, a reflection of the divisions in our country how much are they responsible for stoking those divisions and are there any checks on what the US president can say? This is, can he do that a podcast about the powers and limitations of the American presidency? I'm Alison Michael's. So, in Kenosha Wisconsin what happened I was Jacob Blake was shot seven times by a white police officer in the back. That's the Post White House reporter Ashley, Parker She's been covering trump's response to the events out of Kenosha. And following that the city erupted into civil unrest and racial justice protests and more violence and looting about two days after Jacob. blakeway shot seventeen year old a trump supporter named Kyle rittenhouse was out there protesting vigilante style. He had an assault weapon and he ended up killing two people, and then the city began teetering on the brink in the wake of all of this and what has the president said specifically in response to Jacob Blake. Shooting, he's not said much in response to Jacob Blake shooting when he visited Kenosha Wisconsin where this happened, he did not mention. Jacob. Blake's name. He did not meet with Jacob blakes family. The president has taken what happened in Kenosha and really used as an opportunity to express his solidarity with police officers to push a hard line law and order message, and what is trump said in response to the alleged killing of two people by Kyle written. So when trump has been talking about this, he is very much condemned. The black lives matter protesters calling them, anti-fascists and looters and rioters. Less critical of his own people who have also engaged in some of the same behavior and so when he was specifically asked about Kyle Rittenhouse, the seventeen year old who killed two protesters who had been at trump rallies expressed his support for trump. The president said it's a very interesting situation and he implied that it seemed to be self defense. He said Kyle Rittenhouse seemed to be running away from protesters and defended himself, and in talking about protests that we're seeing going on in Portland Oregon. He was also asked again about his own supporters who were pepper spraying and shooting paint balls at the other side wall condemning the violence from the left he against pain is in bullets. Paint simply a mechanism and seem to created different equivalency for behavior trump visited kenosha on Tuesday. As you said, where did he go on that trip? He went to see some of these buildings that have been destroyed by the protests by the looting and riots and fires, and then he also held a roundtable with law enforcement, their local law enforcement and local leaders. I don't want to rush ahead to the politics portion of this conversation, but I do think it's important to note why. Location matters to the presidential race Kenosha matters because of the state it's in Wisconsin this is a state that is going to be a critical battleground in the twenty twenty race. It's a state that president trump flipped from democratic control and twenty sixteen. When he beat Hillary Clinton and it's one of these states where from two thousand sixteen people think if only Hillary Clinton had had gone and visited and spent more time there. But for a relatively small amount of votes, maybe she could have won the. State and had a better chance of winning the election. What kind of message then did trump's canosa visit sand and who was intended to reach the message in Kenosha then was a very clear law and order message. It was a support and solidarity for the police message, the the Democratic Mayor of the city and the Democratic governor of the state hit basically made clear that the president was uninvited and unwelcome and they worried that his presence would incite more violence the president for what it's worth did not. Incite violence there. He didn't stir that up overtly, but his message was very much not meeting with Jacob blakes family, not us in the moment to try to unite the nation. But expressing again, support and solidarity for the business owners lost their businesses and also more clearly further police officers and when he was there, he echoed something that he's been saying previously, which is. When you have these police officers as we've been watching for years now, who often end up shooting and killing black men and women many of them on armed he likened it to choking there's one or two bad apples and they choke and he'd used that language of king earlier in the week when he was doing an interview with Laura. Ingram and he likened those. Police officers like the ones who shot Jacob Lake to golfers who choke in a big tournament and miss a three foot putt in. It's worth noting that Laura, Ingraham who is a very friendly interviewer more of a trump cheerleader than a journalist in these instances, she raced to cut him off and said, well, Mr. President Shirley. You don't mean that it's actually like golf that's with the media would accused you of say, and so again, he used that choking language in Kenosha but he did not use the golf analogy has the trump administration played any role in quelling some of the violence and Kenosha have they taken steps to de-escalate they're? Not especially, one of the things the president has been pressing is the in some of these democratic states and cities that are experiencing. Protests and violence wanting to send in the national. Guard in this case, the governor of Wisconsin was the one who brought in the National Guard to try to help quell the protests and the president did take credit for the National Guard going in. But it's worth noting that this was actually a decision that was made on the state level by their governor and what about in terms of money the trump administration. Provided any money to help things in Kenosha the president while he was, there did announce money for Kenosha. Some of it would go specifically to law enforcement. Some of it would go to help the small businesses that were destroyed by the riots and the protests and I checked with the White House because I was unclear where the money would be coming from but a lot of it looks like it's coming from. Various. Department of Justice Funds and a little bit from a previously existed in corona virus. Relief. Fund. Okay. So with all of this as background I wanNA talk about the very different narratives around unrest in this country that have been painted by Biden trump after the killing of George Floyd back in. May. And the protests that followed pulling really reflected that Americans believed that racial inequality was a problem and that police. Reform was a necessary thing and at the time trump was pretty far behind in the twenty twenty polls and yet trump seems to have made the strategic decision about what story to tell now that protesters are looters agitators or sometimes he calls them thugs and that unrest in the country is because of the failures of Democratic leaders, why is this the approach of the trump team given that earlier in the summer? We. saw such widespread public support for protests. You're right earlier in the summer we really saw the ground shift from under trump where you just had huge swaths of the country moving. So quickly to to basically say that racism was real and it was problem and it was something that bothered them and it was something they wanted remedied in in many ways they supported the protests and that just wasn't where the. President was, and it's not where he is. Now it's worth noting that while the president was in Kenosha, he was pressed a couple of times by the media traveling with him about does he think racial injustice is a problem and he basically said no in refused to answer the question and turned it back on. Well, instead of talking about racism let's talk about these looters who are destroying cities but the president. especially. Now, especially, with corona virus dragging into its six-month, his team thinks that this is a winning message for him that when there is civil unrest across the nation that that is something that really bothers the suburban women who are going to be crucial to the selection that there is a difference between peaceful protests, which a lot of this is, but the images that we're seeing on TV are violent and of. Looting, and of riots, and there is a difference again between peaceful protests and suburban women feeling like they're downtown could be ravaged by this and it could be unsafe to go to the shops they used to go to and that what the country wants in a choice between him and Joe Biden. He will win because what the country will want a strong tough leader and that is what the president is offering so. Whether he's right or not his gotten the decision, they have made to double down on law and order on strength and toughness on support for the police at the expense of the movement and of the protesters is that strategy effectively reshaping the narrative around protests and police reform it is an it isn't the president just by virtue of being the president has a tremendous platform and bullhorn and trump in particular with his ability to hijack any narrative and any news cycle has certainly injected this. into. The news he has recently forced. Joe. Biden. who very much had wanted to make the campaign about the coronavirus and what he says is the presence failed leadership about the krona virus to have to engage on this issue where Joe Biden is perhaps not as comfortable. The other striking thing the president is doing his he's talking about these protests and the looting and the rioting, and he's saying this is Joe Biden's America, and if you elect Joe Biden, you're just GonNa get more of this. The problem is it's Not Joe Biden's America Joe Biden isn't even an elected official right now this is literally at its most basic level, Donald Trump's America, but he may be somewhat successful in convincing some voters that that this is somehow the fault of Joe Biden and a preview of what an administration will look like. So speaking of Biden and how has he reacted to the shooting of Jacob Lake to the protests and then to the killings by Rittenhouse. Will Joe Biden is making a trip to Kenosha Thursday and it will be very different. In terms of will meet with and what his focus will be on and Joe Biden has now weighed in more generally on these themes. Joe Biden is now making a broader argument about trump's failed leadership and making the point that if trump had been a stronger better less failed leader, we wouldn't be dealing not want racism or even police shootings, but that we wouldn't be dealing with the is necessarily widespread protests that have turned violent because the president would has played the more traditional role of a healer in chief in a uniter in chief that if the president had an exhibited failed leadership, we wouldn't be approaching Labor Day and starting. The school year with kids still doing remote learning. So that's how he's talking about it. He's still making the leadership case for trump and how trump is very much like just about everything else Biden would say mishandled the aftermath of these police shootings what steps is the Biden campaign taking to combat some of the messaging coming out of the trump camp Joe Biden I think his sort of hit the physical campaign trail a little earlier than we expected he's pushing back somewhat directly. The president has made very clear that he believes that this is Joe Biden's America and Joe Biden his made the point that you and I were just discussing of. This isn't my America this is your America. The president has very much tried to tie Joe Biden to. The radical left to Antifa to the most extreme elements of the Democratic Party Joe Biden Very. Directly. Address, that and in confronted that kind of Said Hey look at me I've been in public service for nearly fifty years. Do I seem like a secret anti-fascist? Do I seem like I have a soft spot for the radical left? So is getting into this debate somewhat on Donald Trump's terms, but he is addressing very directly do these two different narratives at play really reflect a deeply divided America how much of what we're seeing is sort of politics as usual versus a true fracturing of two parties living in two different realities. Very much feels like the latter because it's more than just politics. At this point rate, you have cities that are truly roiling with tension and unrest in teetering on the brink. What we're seeing in these cities would be hard for any president to solve. Ray? Bronco bomb was the first black president and there were all these hopes for him that he could. As he said, make America not red and blue but the United States of America it just simply didn't happen. It's a daunting task for any president and now you have president trump who's not even pretending to try but in fact is doing the exact opposite. So president. Trump is taking a real divisions that would be tough to grapple with in any situation and deliberately throwing accelerate on the fire earlier in our conversation you mentioned trump's conversation with Laura Ingraham, a Fox News and he told her this week that Joe Biden is the victim of mind control by quote people that are in dark shadows. He also made claims of a plane loaded with thugs on the way to do big damage. These are unproven claims, and this isn't the first time we've seen trump make false claims or promote conspiracy theories but it raises a question that I realized we haven't forthright asked on this show which is Are there built in protections against President Spreading misinformation like this? I suppose. The answer in part is the press but I'm wondering if there's anything else to stop the president from making false claims like this, it's agreed question in sort of learning the answer in real time, which is there's not there's there's a press who can hold him accountable and fat check him and call him out on his lies and his deception, his misinformation, and now we're seeing some of these big social media companies struggle with what do you do when you? Have a president of the United States arguably, the most powerful person in the United States using their platforms to spread misinformation deception and lies, and so you've seen twitter in a couple of instances, take down tweets, re tweets by the President or the president's campaign and try to rein him in that way but there is free speech and so the the president very much cannon as we're seeing has and will blast things out into the ether that are simply not true. All right actually on that note as we head toward the election. Just. Two months away. Do you expect these competing campaign messages about unrest in this country to continue until then or do you expect some of this sort of Peter out and a new narrative to to take over on the one hand I think it will sort of ebb and flow but we will find ourselves talking again more about the coronavirus and what is going on with that we're talking about that more just now again because it's the beginning of the school year in, that's a reminder of just how much his has not. Been solved just how bad this pandemic still is but I. also think we're going to continue to talk about racism and the civil unrest probably between now and the election in part because the president very clearly thinks it's a winning message for him in an part unfortunately because I cannot imagine we will get from now until election day without another police shooting of an unarmed black man and that will prompt this whole pattern. This whole debate again, that is a heartbreaking reality. All Right Ashley thank you so much for your time. Thank you. This has been another episode of can he do that as always if you liked it, please share it with a friend. Thank you so much for listening. Can he do? That is a team effort here at the post were produced by Plotnik with logo from Laurent Bogue Leo And v Music by Ted Muldoon.
The Breakdown: TrumpZilla Dominates Creepy Joe Biden In The Debates. A Hands Down Victory For America
"We see also that there is a bombshell report by project Veritas, an open secret Omar Ilhan Omar anything that she can do to get elected and she has hundreds of people in the streets doing this doing that a whistle blower says. Project Veritas Release at Eli No more has can was connected to illegal balloting ballot harvesting scheme. By the political allies in associates of representative you on more with the help of a whistle blower, snapchat videos and undercover recordings. A Ballot Harvester named a Lebron Mohammed described on his own snapchat how he collected ballots from the Somalia American community and Omar's district to help his brother Jamal Osman. Win a special election for a vacant ward six City Council Race He. Said numbers don't lie numbers don't lie. You can see my cars full all these are absentees. Ballots can't use see you can't because it's radio look at all these my cars for all these are for Jamal. Osman. We got three hundred today for Jamal Osman only said Lebron Mohammed several snapchat videos posted on July one and July two on his own snapchat profile. Folks. We are duped if we believe that the election I, it's not just the the mail in ballot elections that shows that elections have been rigged. We know that elections are rigged and we know that the only way that they can't rig election is if there's an overwhelming landslide. So folks we need to we need to vote, but we need to fight against this type of absentee ballots, him and the sending the mail in ballots in millions of ballots. Now, there was a story that that people in West Virginia. I believe are receiving their mail in ballots, but it's got the wrong return envelopes in there. They can't even get the right return envelopes in there and you expect me to think they're going to be able to count. Well. They've seen how two hundred million. At least are over one, hundred, million I mean we had one hundred and twenty, eight, million, one, hundred, thirty give or take vote in the last election. And you're telling me that they're going to be able to accurately count all of those when they can't even get right return envelope in there. Come on people. Open. Your eyes. Project. Veritas a great right up about this. They said that Jamal as part of his participation in the investigation interviewed a Somali American who functions as a Ballot Harvester? In his community in the interview Harvester described how he was paid to vote on August eleven special election primary along with the project Veritas undercover journalist. the Harvester said Somali American vote-buying operatives from the Omar Machine came to his apartment building to oversee the voter filling out the paperwork Omar operatives, requests the ballots, and fill them out for the voters. He said, they come to us they come to our homes. They said this year you will vote for Yulon. He said, they said, we will make the absentee ballots. We will fill out the forms for you and when you get them back, we will again fill it out and send it just rinse and repeat results and repeat Rinse and repeat over. And over. And over and over again. And they pay him when they signed the voting document, they fill out they give them money the minute we signed the the ballot for the election that's when we get paid. So. Folks if you're part of the group that's gifted miehling ballots, GonNa be fine. Then you are part of the problem. Mail in ballots are as big a part of the issue as any. Ladies and gentlemen. Listening to the Chris H. L. D. Last live radio stations standing always on air and always online at Crusade Channel Dot Com. So folks Gee I want to get back to a few more points about the election here because I. thought that there were some very important pieces that we're not completely opened up last night. We know we will cover I'd like to cover a little bit more about the Burris. Well, one of the things that I saw twitter explode about last night. was when Donald Trump was asked by Chris Wallace if he would condemn. White supremacists. And Proud Boys and group likes. And groups like that. When he was listening to this? And here's his response. 'CAUSE I I'd like to play this for you. because. If. Let me play this for you. 'cause I really I really have a lot to say about this one instance hear is the minute clip when Chris Wallace asked if Donald trump would condemn white supremacy and militia groups. So here you go. Late criticized the the vice president for not specifically calling out Tika and other left-wing screen this groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence and a number of cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland. Right there. Did you hear that now I listen to this this clip here at the about the fourteen second work when Chris Wallace is asking this question see if you can hear what trump says and to say to condemn white supremacists and militia groups. He says sure. Sure he mouths the words and says the words. And then later in this is that they need to stand down as Chris. Wallace is continuing to ask them the question who start shaking his head and emails. Again, the word shirts we've seen in, PORTLAND. And then he says that the insurer I'm willing to do that. He actually says sure and then sure I'm willing to do that. He says, yes, I'm going I will condemn. White supremacists what I didn't like was. Condemning militia groups. That's our Second Amendment right and each state who has a right to keep and bear arms has that right as well. I know that we're not INC EAST is here. But when we have that right that they used to give will throw it out there and say, this is the right that you say we have and not only that. But our state constitutions allow us for the building of militias, the maintaining of militias, which by the way right now would. Be Extremely, vital to fighting off ANTIFA and black lives matter and the protests that are destroying cities across the nation I, guarantee you that if those people were trained in weaponry if they were trained in seek you see close quarters combat if they were trained in martial arts. If they knew how to operate with a weapon, you would have more kyle written houses out there defending themselves. You would have more people in their states fighting back and pushing back against those people. And against those writers so I'm not I'm not too. I'm not too savvy on him saying, Oh, well, white white supremacist. Sure. But he says sure I will condemn white supremacists and he said sure I will and then what he does as any politician does is what Joe Biden did multiple times is he pivoted he said sure I will. But most of this is coming from the left why are you making this an issue? Why are you acting like it's white supremacists when it's black lives matter they're the ones that are out there right now. Black lives matter is the group that's out there destroying our cities. It is not white supremacists. It is not proud boys. It is not militia groups it is black lives matter. They're the group WHO's trying to destroy our country who were sneaking in Marxism. Why are you deflecting onto white supremacy because from the very beginning of his presidency, they've been trying to condemn him as a racist and they've got two things they kept hitting on last night. Cova nineteen is killing people. And you're racist. They're playing the COVID nineteen card in the racist. White supremacist. Aren't the problem. Black lives matter is the problem. So trump says. Sure sure. I'll do that but it's the left. So. Here we have trump saying he will condemn white supremacy groups but that's not good enough. I. I would say. Everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right. Now, what are you saying I'm willing to do anything I want to see do it Sir do it say? You want to call them what do you want to call them give me a name. Give me a price. Unreal. Stand back and standby but I'll tell you what I'll tell you what. So the right there that place is where people are going crazy David French on twitter said Stan back instead by is not a condemnation. It's a call to be ready. In a nation wracked by unrest that was one of the most irresponsible and reprehensible statements I've ever seen from a president. The, proud boys are violent vigilante militia. That's weird. I. Thought that trump's twitter feed from earlier today was the most irresponsible and reprehensible statement that you've ever seen. But here is here's the key point. He said sure and then he said sure I'm willing to do that. I think what he meant to say. was that. Proud boys stand back and stand down. I think that's what he meant to say. Because why would he say sure? I'll condemn these people. Yeah. I'll do that. Why would he say stand back and why? Why would he tell them on national television? I'll just stand by be ready so I can send you out and we we can destroy the nation. Why would he do that? I don't think he did. I'm GONNA give trump the benefit of the doubt just like people have been giving. Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt when he holds hands with Ku Klux. Klan members. Just, like the beginning by giving him the benefit of the doubt when he can't string a complete sentence together, just like they give Biden the benefit of the Dow when he says, you don't be quartermaster second four women's department. Door. When he calls some bad body allying fe lying dog dog faced pony soldier. Why is it that? Biden gets all of this grace. Complete Pass. The weekend say hold on just a second. I don't think the president of the United States would tell a white supremacist group or what people consider a white. Supremacist Group. Or a militia group I don't think he would tell that group to to judge while we're GONNA go. We're not going to mention militia. We're GONNA mention the white supremacist groups like they did. I. Don't think that Donald Trump would tell them. And I think common sense and stringing together what he said here and following his train of thought from the beginning until the end I think we can say you know what? I don't think he meant to say standby. I think he meant to say stand down. And I can have that grace for our president because if you and I'll give Joe. Biden grace to if he screws up. I'll give Joe, Biden plenty of grace. We have to. You can't mess up one stink in word.
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"These days we're all getting more screen time which means we're also getting more blue light exposure than ever before too much blue light can make your eyes feel tired dry or blurry. Your sleep zanies. Blocks lenses helped to protect the is by keeping harmful blue light out because they're virtually clear at blocks to any any frame for stylish protection. Get a complete pair prescription or nonprescription blocks glasses starting at just twenty four dollars protect your is now at zanny dot com. Hello and welcome to the quick news. Daily podcast where. I give you the facts. I no click bait stories just real news that matters to real people. It is tuesday october. Sixth and every day. I come in here expecting to have to talk about something. Good that happened to trump but the thing is trump will always be trump incompetent immature and insecure. So when the doctor said donald you're just feeling better because of the steroid the virus is still replicating near blood. Do you think he listened to them. Of course not he wanted to say. Look how strong and tough and powerful i am. Nobody's beaten cove in three days. But i did. And that means that even though he got that media coverage that he so craves. And you've got to salute for no reason like mussalini. Or stalin or castro. The real story is hidden a bit deeper for example. When you i left. The hospital walked to the beast. The armored limo. You might have heard the reporter quickly saying that. They were driving. Just one hundred yards to the helicopter. I'll bet his walk to the church to hold. The bible upside down was more than one hundred yards. So we know it's safe. It's not like a secret service security concern. So i'm guessing that now. He's too tired from the virus to walk that far he couldn't even walk the length of a football field. Yes i had to sneak that. Football field comparison in because this is america. Dammit and that's how we measure weird things but once he actually got to the white house he had to walk to the residence and he had to go up those stairs as a direct result when he irresponsibly whipped off. That mask like toby. Maguire in spiderman movie. You could see him struggling for breath along with a fresh coat of that signature orange makeup meaning that some poor staffer had to get close enough to someone who's coverted positive. They also had to come back out and take the pictures again on the balcony. Probably so the dear leader looked more lively after taking in some oxygen. Obviously the focus was on his breathing but we also have to notice that he can't stand still anymore. he's always off balance. He wobbles around like a fish out of water in now he breathes like one two. You might be asking. He's back at the white house. What now well. We all have to keep in mind that he can still get world class care. At the white house he can still get. Iv's supplemental oxygen all of that. The one thing that i mentioned briefly that of course trump doesn't understand is what steroids do for your body. Steroids have inflammatory effects. Which is what they're four partly at least in this case for covert especially because it brings down swelling in the lungs. It's also stronger than ibuprofen. So all those little everyday aches and pains go away. It raises blood sugar as well. So yeah of course. He's feeling good. However it's doing jack squat to stop the virus. This is essentially like you start taking antibiotics. You start feeling better. You stop taking them and now. The infection is stronger because it knows how to fight the antibiotic trump just stopped taking his antibiotic at least in this analogy last night on. Cbs dr jon. Lapook said that the second week of having covid it gets rough. The immune system might overcompensate actually start attacking your own body. It's kind of like radiation poisoning. Where they're the original burns and exposure and symptoms then there's a latency period where the victims starts feeling normal but after a few days the cells realized they've gotten fully damaged from the radiation in the victims starts to go downhill quickly. You might remember me talking about that from my chernobyl review series of the tv series from hbo. And if you didn't listen to those. I would definitely suggest going back. Some of my better reviews. I think but at this point you're probably thinking. How many more analogies can this guy making one segment well. It's like the movie now. i'm just kidding. No more analogies. I'll tell you what's definitely not funny. All the white house staff that are career people who have worked there for republicans and democrats and now they've been exposed to covid since he tore off that mask. What's also not funny. Is the message in this clip. I just left walter reed medical center and it's really something very special. The doctors the nurses the first responders. And i learned so much about corona virus. And one thing that's for certain don't let it dominate. You don't be afraid of it. You're going to beat it. We have the best medical equipment we have the best medicines all developed recently. And you're going to beat it. And i i didn't feel so good and two days ago i could have left two days ago. Two days ago. I felt great like better than i have in a long time. I said just recently better than twenty years ago. Don't let it dominate. Don't let it take over you lives. Don't let that happen. We have the greatest country in the world. We're going back. We're going back to work. We're going to be out front as you leader. I had to do that. I knew this danger to it. But i had to. I stood out front. I lead nobody. That's a leader would not do what i did and i know there's a risk there is a danger but that's okay and now i'm better and maybe i'm immune i don't know but don't let it dominate your lives. Get out there. Be careful we have the best medicines in the world and it all happened very shortly and they're all getting approved and the vaccines coming momentarily. Thank you very much and walter reed. What a of people thank you very much. As many have noted that is going to get a lot of people killed. It is serious and he didn't catch it because he was sacrificing for us because he was trying to be a strong leader. He caught it because he created all the conditions for it to spread like wildfire. And that's why we're the worst in the world. It's like. Trevor noah said it's not like karma coming back to get trump for this is the equivalent of wondering why he gets struck by lightning when you're standing on a skyscraper. You're holding up a metal rod. Of course you're going to consequences not karma and oh by the way. There was some speculation before they gasping video clip came out that maybe he was faking it just to try to get sympathy. But i know he wasn't faking it because he's too vain to be seen without makeup like he was in those videos over the weekend. Plus what i mentioned last week about the hercule nuclear launch planes going up on the coasts so no. I don't think he's faking it. But in the spirit of quick news daily. Let's end on a lighter. Note jail cobaine friend of the show. Jail co van put up this video of trump's inner monologue while he standing on the balcony take a listen. This is hilarious. Look at all these stupid paper. I have the best medicine strong medicine and look at my hand up and look at me with my mask you masks. That's right getting my pocket at anita masks. I've got doctors and oxygen and i'm sitting a little better comes up. Okay so the depends. I can probably downgrade to a large instead of an exile. Get outta here african american. You look at me still there. We are doing so strongly. I'm so handsome right now breathing. Normally why is that black guy. Still there secrets White secret service people but look at my mountain dew for brains people coming out in droves there president is so strong so powerful so dan covid kicked your ass you son of a bitch. It's important to learn from the mistakes that the media made in twenty sixteen so let's not spend all of our time on someone as worthless as trump. let's shift our focus over to the man who will hopefully be our president. Elect in about a month's time joe biden last night. Joe had a town hall with. Nbc's lester holt. And he said some really great things first off. I'll play this clip about him talking to a younger voter college and two children who are in high school. They in fact your generation's been really really put behind the eight ball you get all these degrees you end up with all this debt and you're in a position where you can't get a job because no one's hiring or they're hiring. They're hiring at very low wages. And so what we have to do. Is we have to make sure that you get the opportunity. That's why i'm going to eliminate a lot of your student debt if you in fact if you come from a family less than one hundred twenty five grand and you went to a public university. I'm gonna make sure that everybody. This generation gets ten thousand dollars knocked off of their student debt. As we try to get out of this god awful pandemic gonna make sure that the opportunities you have are consistent with for example via first home buyer. You haven't even had the opportunity to gain enough income to be able to have a down payment. The first term homebuyers your fifteen thousand dollars credit to be able to buy their first home. Because that's how people accumulate wealth back how they get. That's how they move. We're going to make sure we recognize you and vance you and make sure that you look why my children and my grandchildren they you are the future you are the future. I o as i said. For example. I made the comment. That i view myself as a transitional president. That's is that one this transition to your generation. You're the best educated. You're the most open. You're the least prejudiced generation in american history. The future is yours. And i'm counting on just a really comforting tone. I think then he has this little little comment about bringing people together. How he'll able to sit people down and actually talk about issues. I'm gonna do what i've done in the past. I'm gonna bring all these interests together. Peaceful protesters police chiefs. Police officers police unions as well as a civil rights groups in the white house and sit down and decide. What are the things that need to be done to improve and help police officer. I'm the only one talked about increasing police budgets. When your husband goes on a call that in fact is a nine one one call is better if he or she has with them a psychologists or psychiatrists with someone who knows how to deal with someone who is not all there and there's a lot of things we should be doing addition to that. I am also proposing that we spend a significant more money on community policing the reason at work. My son used to be an attorney general in the state of delaware. the idea. is you get the police. You get to law enforcement together with the community so they know one another because that kid walking across the the hoodie on. Maybe the next poland laureate doesn't mean that child is going to be at trouble and so we gotta make sure there's more communication. That's what i'm going to do as president bring together a national commission sitting in the white house with me with me and working this out. I think it's also important to note that the biden campaign placed in no other ad by in texas this time they're placing the ad on spanish language tv stations. There's no word yet on how much money they're spending on it but it's supposed to start a week from today. In addition the lincoln project announced that they'll be spending one million dollars on advertising there with this interesting quote coming out of it. From one of their co founders. Mike madrid quote. There's no serious political consultant who doesn't agree that texas is now a swing state and quote. That is some pretty incredible stuff and congrats. Donald you're the first person in like forty years to put texas in play for a democrat. Now it's important to remember that if texas is going to joe biden then that means all of the swing states have already gone for joe and he's already gotten to the two hundred and seventy vote he needs. It's also probably unlikely but hey you can always dream about winning it from what i hear. Winning texas would be more about the significance of it. Meaning that would show the country in the world that we know we made a mistake with trump so now we're trying to clean house with him and his minority of supporters. I think the real key state is florida because trump can't really win without it and they start counting the votes before election day. So we'll know on election night. Who won florida. Knock on wood because a two thousand but a winning florida would send a signal and if it's not close there or if biden wins it at all. The experts seem to think that trump won't try all of his tactics to steal the election because everyone will know hill of lost. So i mean texas would still be a great state again in terms of things to look forward to. I want to remind everyone that. The vice presidential debate between comma harris and mike pence is tomorrow night. October seventh in the us starting at nine pm eastern time eight pm central big news about it in the last few days has been at kamla in her team will be bringing their own plexiglass to put between her and pence even though they'll be separated by twelve feet eight inches. I think it might be more for show like this constant reminder that we can't trust these people and we can't trust their response on covid like a visual cue but it's important experts are saying harris's team should be more focused on making sure there is a good clean air environment because as we all know by now the virus can be aerosolize which is indoor events are so dangerous. Frankly i wish and joe could just back out of the rest of the debates because anyone near this white house is basically a superspreader but unfortunately that would just allow the trump team to say. Look at sleepy joe. He's afraid to debate me in the regular media would take that bait for now. I'm looking forward to kamo. Allaying the smackdown on pence quickly. Though there's this information coming out about pence insisting on sitting down during the debate which is leading to speculation that he's fatigued from something that could be. I don't know that sarcasm. Because of course people are speculating that he has corona virus. His team has said he's tested negative. But bill barr said the same thing and then he started quarantining. I mean honestly to trust these people with anything. It looks like hurricane. Delta is no joke after entered the caribbean early yesterday. Cnn says it rapidly became a category one hurricane with winds of seventy five miles per hour as of now. It's still supposed to go through china by saturday than mississippi. Alabama parts of arkansas and georgia tennessee missouri and kentucky before it dies out so if you're in any of those areas again listen to local news in stay vigilant. Sorry to end on so much bad news. But i have to remind everyone that mitch. Mcconnell is a despicable excuse for a human being. Why do i say this. I say this. Because despite a significant number of people in his party testing positive for covid and the fact that he and his party are saying. How are we going to give people all this money. For covert relief after the house passed the heroes act back in like may and after nearly four years of giving donald trump a blank check. Well mitch is still trying to ram through the supreme court nomination. I should also point out that this very supreme court nominees announcement ceremony may have been the superspreader event that gave trump covid. But i digress. Amy conybeare its hearings with the senate. Judiciary committee are scheduled to start next monday. The twelfth and go through thursday the fifteenth no word yet on when the full senate vote on her confirmation but they aren't scheduled to return october nineteenth well. That was a busy one there today. Folks but that's all i have for you. 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His quickness has endangered lives in the idea that he some type of hero that he did this for us that he faced down corona virus trying to assume the patina of heroism around this cow or is just an appalling spectacle to watch as my colleague and partner regale and today looking at the scene of trump from the balcony he called them benito trump leney and it is amazing that all of these is with his autocratic fetish. They certainly do like the balconies. Don't they electrical pros to home. Depot can help you put safety first with a four pack of kit if fire parte wires smoke detectors for just thirty nine ninety seven order. These interconnected smoke alarms online. And you put safety first. And that's followed by ten dollars savings on each pack free delivery and peace of mind knowing you got the right brand for biosafety see put safety first and everything else follows when you were four. Pack of kid a smoke detectors for just thirty nine ninety seven. Only how doers. Get more done. 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Former Tacoma Mayor Strickland takes early lead in Washington state congressional race
"We're also keeping an eye on what could be a historic raced in the tenth district. That's where two candidates are in the running to become the first black person to represent Washington state in the US Congress K. U. W. Politics reporter David. HITE has more. There are two black women running as Democrats in the tenth former Tacoma Mayor Marilyn Strickland and former state representative. Christine Reeves Strickland was the top vote-getter. Last night ballots are still being counted, but we will likely onto the general election storing these times of crisis people are looking for. Proven meter leadership rees is in third place voters in the tenth are eager for somebody who have a different lived experience that better reflects the hardworking families in the ten just ahead of us in the first count state representative Beth Dolio, she's a Democrat who was endorsed by socialist US Senator Bernie Sanders I. Think this results are really a win for working families in the south found unions who are representing more than half a million working people we expect to find out which to made it through later in the week David Hyde, Kyw? News.
2 Democrats pull through primary for Lieutenant Governor
"To Democrats could advance to the open race for Lieutenant Governor. KYW's Austin Jenkins has more current Lieutenant Governor. Cyrus Abib isn't running again. So this race drew a lot of candidates eleven and all, but it's to Democrats who have the early lead I with nearly twenty-eight percent of the vote is denny heck the retiring congressman from Olympia who's quite familiar with the state capital he was House Majority Leader and was chief of staff to Governor Booth Gardner currently in second place with nearly seventeen. percent of the vote is democratic state. Senator Marco Leah's He's the Senate Democrats floor leader, and if elected would become the only openly gay statewide officeholder in. Washington. Right now, the third place finisher is Republican and Davis in Sadler she has nearly twelve percent of the vote. There is still a lot of ballots left to be counted but if the situation holds, this will be another instance of two candidates from the same party making it through. Washington's top two primary I'm Austin Jenkins in Olympia.
Yakima County residents suing over the county's election system
"Yucca, county residents are suing the county over its election system, arguing it prevents Latino voters an equal opportunity to elect their candidate of choice for county commissioner, Northwest Public Broadcasting's and Riquet Pettus Villarosa reports. To County Commissioner seats are up for grabs in Yakima County this year. Candidates have to get past a district primary August then the top two candidates from each district face off in November in countywide elections. Plaintiff for Montana says even if majority lat next communities back a candidate in their district the. Is decided by a slight majority of white voters countywide plus he could. Look snuggly hit on Kenosha. Frisco politics, or because giving the efficient listlessness he says that basically guarantees Latinos can't elect candidates promise policies to benefit their community. Montana was also a plaintiff in a twenty twelve lawsuit against the city of Yakima over a similar voting system. Two years later, federal court sided with plaintiffs and forced the city to rework its election system I'm curious Larisa in Yakima.
Why are Biden and Sanders leading polls if Dem voters say they want a younger, diverse candidate?
"Welcome to the live from the press on carry, Dan. Sometimes what we say we want and what we actually wants are a little different like yesterday. I googled healthy recipes for lintels because I keep hearing that they're so good for you. And then I had pizza for dinner. Anyway, true story, this phenomenon is also true of voters and of the narratives that so often get spun about what voters want for example. There's this narrative out there right that democratic voters want a female presidential nominee. We see it in the coverage of the female candidates. We see it in some of the backlash to the meal candidates, and perhaps most informative -ly. We saw it in the midterms when Democrats elected a record number of female candidates to congress. So what's is the reality well exhibit A, let's look at the scoreboard. Even though you know that I find head to head polls at the state of. The primary race of let's say limited use you can't ignore that. The two candidates appearing at the top of those poles are both men being Joe Biden. And Bernie Sanders not only that with apologies to the former vice presidents in the current Senator from Vermont's their old, those two candidates are seventy six and seventy seven respectively, and that's in spite of all of the talk about how democratic voters want a fresh new implied young face. Oh and Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden both white as well. Okay. It is a fair argument to say that Sanders and Biden are mostly leading in the polls because voters who they are. And they're still getting to know the other candidates things might move around. So let's go beyond the horse race to some other data. You knew there was a poll coming right? There's always a poll this one is from Quinnipiac, and it asked democratic voters questions like this. Thinking about the twenty twenty democratic primary for president. If all other things are equal. Would you prefer a candidate? That is a man or woman they also asked if all other things are equal. Would you prefer a candidate that is whites or a person of color what they found was? Fifty-nine percent of voters said they didn't care about the gender question. Sixty nine percent of democratic voters said they didn't care about race now of the democratic voters who do care. Yes. There is a thumb on the scale for the category. That is not the white guy. Twenty six percents of Democrats say the prefer a woman ten percent prefer a man. Just four percent of people said they prefer white candidate twenty percent of Democrats said they prefer a person of color the rest said they didn't care one category. Where this whole thing is a little bit less. Pronounced is H E third of democratic voters said they don't care about the democratic nominees age. But about forty percent said yes, I would like someone younger and only about twenty percent said they wanted an older candidate. But again, lest I remind you the two current front runners were both born in the nineteen forties and one of them Bernie. Unders continually performs the best of any democratic candidate with voters under fifty. So what do democratic voters really wants? I will try to figure that out as soon as I stopped trying to convince myself that Zimba looked so fun, and I should really try it one day. That's a lead for us if you'd like to hear more of this free audio briefing, you can add meet the press delivered to your flash briefings on Amazon Alexa devices or just download us as a free podcast.