35 Burst results for "Twilights"

Who Is the Most Unpopular Man in America?

The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast

01:33 min | 3 weeks ago

Who Is the Most Unpopular Man in America?

"Who is the most unpopular man in America? Well, I think the answer has to be Joe Biden. I can't think of anybody else who would beat this guy in a straight out unpopularity poll. And yet the one person that hasn't figured this out, perhaps no surprise. Is Joe Biden. Joe Biden still thinks he's kind of downright incredible. Now, Biden lives, of course, in a kind of Twilight Zone. Even when I think about 2000 meals, I think to myself, is this something that Biden was in any sense aware of. But Biden's not aware of much at all. I suspect what Biden he's zones in and out. People have to tell him what's going on. He said, why do only 6 people show up at my rally? Why do I see these big circles with one person standing in each circle? And they're like, don't worry about it. We've got it figured out. You can take a nap right after this, Joe Biden. But anyway, this guy is he sort of moves between pathos. You've kind of feel a little sorry for him because he's sort of like that debilitated guy who doesn't really remember his middle name, but at the other on the other side he's so cranky and mean spirited and downright malicious. So I have trouble feeling purely sorry for him. I feel sorry for him, but then I develop a certain kind of venom, which matches his own. I'm like, wow, this guy is really doing damage to this country.

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Brad Anderson: ESG Is Very Real & Very Dangerous for Companies

Mike Gallagher Podcast

01:51 min | 3 weeks ago

Brad Anderson: ESG Is Very Real & Very Dangerous for Companies

"I had a bunch of CEOs in generals and muckety mucks on a panel and they gave me the list of questions and a bunch of the questions were about ESG, environmental, social, and governance efforts. And companies in America are having to grapple with this and CEOs, CFOs, the C suites are having to deal with how do we how do we apply ESG to measure our company's performance? Do you care to weigh in on that, mister Anderson? Because it's something that a lot of our listeners are just becoming familiar with and listen, I felt like I was in The Twilight Zone last week because they're all nodding their heads and talking about how important it is and I kept the talk show hosting me wanted to scream out. I think you're hurting your own your own brand when you go down this path and say, we got appease activists on climate change or whatever the whatever the culture debate is, what do you make? What's your take on the ESG chapter of the companies are having to grapple with right now? That's very real and very dangerous for companies because it's the government asserting a set of values as well as big shareholders like BlackRock, saying you've got to invest your money in a way that we agree with. And you can't necessarily follow the economics again of the customer. It's part of the reason that we've gotten to be energy dependent suddenly from being energy independent is the investments get shifted into places that are maybe not as efficient. But there's a real pressure the companies are facing because it isn't just the SEC is recommending force enforcing ESG as well as big investment firms. So that's a real pressure on boards to comply with this external measurement system.

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Are We Still Living Under a Regime of Fear?

The Charlie Kirk Show

01:49 min | Last month

Are We Still Living Under a Regime of Fear?

"Now, as we look at what's happening in our country right now, I think it's important to take a step back and ask about some of the other trends and how they're all playing together. Are we still living under a regime of fear or is there now a restoration of individual spirit of liberty of entrepreneurship and trying to be forward thinking in a more positive sense? I can tell you right now, especially from some of the reactions to the repealing of the mask mandates that there's a remarkable, there's a huge group of people right now. That are ready to push back against what we have seen as the overarching overbearing, heavy hand of government. You have James carville, though, who supports to be a smart person saying a majority of Republicans are weirdos in The Twilight Zone. Democrat strategist James carville said on MSNBC that quote, of course, this party about a third of them are pulling for Russia, which is just insane. Yes, he wants people that will be compliant to his worldview, which is tax cut tax cuts for the richest people in the world and tax the poor people, which isn't a very smart idea, but the problem is that they're a weird political party, says James carville, who, you know, could be mistaken for an extraterrestrial alien. They need to be branded as such. These 26 QAnon people all right, they're not necessarily the extreme. These are people talking about testicle tanning. No, they're not. Oh my gosh. These are people want to go to Hungary for conferences. Hungary is actually really nice. These are not normal people, James carville says, by and large, a large part of the Republican Party is just out and out weird. When you have Moscow Mitch saying we need more sane people, that means you have a lot of crazy people.

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Book Burning (MM #3975)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | 3 months ago

Book Burning (MM #3975)

"The NASA minute. With Kevin mason. Over the weekend, I saw a story about a pastor burning books, and I thought I wonder which southern state it was in, and then it looked and saw Tennessee. I thought for sure, okay, somewhere over on the far right side of the state. When I dug into the story, I found out it was about 5 miles from my house. A pastor from a Nashville suburb decided to have a book burning last week, burning Twilight and Harry Potter books and items of the occult like ouija boards. Why did he do it? Well, the game publicity, of course. Because as we all know, book burning is most associated with things that happened back in the 40s, 50s and 60s. I remember some radio stations back in the day, not burning books, but were crushing compact discs of the Dixie chicks. All for a stunt. This was a stunt too. I don't know what the purpose of the stunt was to raise attention for the church perhaps. I guess we all have the right to burn whatever we want to burn. The number one book in the nation right now, a book that's been banned in schools called mouse. And it's number one on The New York Times Best Seller list because people want it banned. The more you burn, the more you ban, the more people are interested.

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Book Burning (MM #3975)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | 3 months ago

Book Burning (MM #3975)

"The NASA minute. With Kevin mason. Over the weekend, I saw a story about a pastor burning books, and I thought I wonder which southern state it was in, and then it looked and saw Tennessee. I thought for sure, okay, somewhere over on the far right side of the state. When I dug into the story, I found out it was about 5 miles from my house. A pastor from a Nashville suburb decided to have a book burning last week, burning Twilight and Harry Potter books and items of the occult like ouija boards. Why did he do it? Well, the game publicity, of course. Because as we all know, book burning is most associated with things that happened back in the 40s, 50s and 60s. I remember some radio stations back in the day, not burning books, but were crushing compact discs of the Dixie chicks. All for a stunt. This was a stunt too. I don't know what the purpose of the stunt was to raise attention for the church perhaps. I guess we all have the right to burn whatever we want to burn. The number one book in the nation right now, a book that's been banned in schools called mouse. And it's number one on The New York Times Best Seller list because people want it banned. The more you burn, the more you ban, the more people are interested.

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Book Burning (MM #3975)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | 3 months ago

Book Burning (MM #3975)

"The NASA minute. With Kevin mason. Over the weekend, I saw a story about a pastor burning books, and I thought I wonder which southern state it was in, and then it looked and saw Tennessee. I thought for sure, okay, somewhere over on the far right side of the state. When I dug into the story, I found out it was about 5 miles from my house. A pastor from a Nashville suburb decided to have a book burning last week, burning Twilight and Harry Potter books and items of the occult like ouija boards. Why did he do it? Well, the game publicity, of course. Because as we all know, book burning is most associated with things that happened back in the 40s, 50s and 60s. I remember some radio stations back in the day, not burning books, but were crushing compact discs of the Dixie chicks. All for a stunt. This was a stunt too. I don't know what the purpose of the stunt was to raise attention for the church perhaps. I guess we all have the right to burn whatever we want to burn. The number one book in the nation right now, a book that's been banned in schools called mouse. And it's number one on The New York Times Best Seller list because people want it banned. The more you burn, the more you ban, the more people are interested.

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Dr. Scott Atlas' Health Advice to Everyone Living in the China Virus Twilight

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:59 min | 4 months ago

Dr. Scott Atlas' Health Advice to Everyone Living in the China Virus Twilight

What Is a Virus? With Dr. Peter McCullough

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:13 min | 4 months ago

What Is a Virus? With Dr. Peter McCullough

"Can we start with the basics? We have enough time. This is where we spend the time to discuss these issues. So first things first, a viruses in general. There is still to this day, as I understand as the layman, a disagreement or two schools of thought, are they living entities or are they not or do they exist in some Twilight Zone? So let's start with what is the virus and then we'll get to the coronavirus family. A virus is a living organism. It does depend on a host in order to infect and replicate it's unlike a bacteria which must feed on substances. The virus basically is designed to simply replicate and move on, and then infect another individual. But it is alive. There's another substance that's not alive that can spread from one to another is called a prion, which is just a protein. But viruses are alive. They're either RNA or DNA viruses in the setting of the coronavirus. It's an RNA virus. So it has a nucleocapsid. And this virus is a particularly supercharged with a spike protein, the spike protein is the spine on the ball of virus. That's been genetically modified in the lab and we'll hand China to be more infectious and more

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Politifact or Politifiction?

The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast

01:38 min | 4 months ago

Politifact or Politifiction?

"The fact checking site, PolitiFact has done a fact check on me. Fact checking a statement that I made on Fox News on the Ingram angle. And the kind of back and forth between me and the PolitiFact writer. This is a guy named Bill McCarthy. It's very revealing because it takes you into The Twilight Zone of the fact checking world. Now, I should say I kind of give away the result, will it affect rates my statement falls? So let's go through the statement to see what in it is false. Here's what I said and I'm gonna actually read the quote it's fairly short. This is what PolitiFact set out to fact check. I said this if you follow January 6th at the granular level with the facts that are coming out slowly. They're coming out because the government has been very reluctant to release footage, particularly footage of what happened in the tunnel on January 6th, where you now begin to see these cops using massive amounts of force against unarmed Trump supporters, including women. The death of Roseanne boyland is now being called into question where she the second Trump supporter killed by the authorities. Quote, that's the statement. It might seem pretty innocuous and it alludes to two specific facts. One, the fact that the government has been reluctant and in fact this date has not released the full footage of January 6th and has certainly not released the full footage of what happened in the tunnel and two that cops used force massive amounts of force to quote myself against unarmed Trump supporters, including women.

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Alec Baldwin Fatally Shoots Woman With Prop Gun on Movie Set

Mike Gallagher Podcast

01:48 min | 7 months ago

Alec Baldwin Fatally Shoots Woman With Prop Gun on Movie Set

"Alec Baldwin kills a member of his crew with a prop gun. My friend Mark Davis reminds me that a prop gun, that ain't fire in anything. A prop gun is just that. It's a prop. It's a fake gun. It isn't capable of fire in anything. So they're using that term prop gun, probably inaccurately, but then again, all of this thing is weird. Every aspect of this is beyond bizarre. They are so careful on movie sets. There have been fatal accidents. Rural and Vic Morrow was decapitated? Making one of those I think Twilight Zone movies? Was it Brandon Lee Bruce Lee's kid who got killed on a movie set? So they're very, very careful. And yet somehow Alec Baldwin shot and killed the cinematographer on a movie that he was starring in and producing. Now, the investigation, of course, is underway. No charges have been filed, you know, you got to believe it's a horrible accident that will now follow Alec Baldwin for the rest of his life. He has to live with the death of this beautiful young woman who was his sin of photographer. I mean, again, none of this make it any sense. How does the shin of a photographer and his director get shot? And already, the family of Brandon Lee is tweeting out condolences saying no one should ever get killed on a movie set by a gun.

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Kristen Stewart Talks About the 'Spooky, Spirtual Feelings' She Sensed While Playing Princess Diana

News O'Clock

02:02 min | 9 months ago

Kristen Stewart Talks About the 'Spooky, Spirtual Feelings' She Sensed While Playing Princess Diana

"Kristen. stewart is already receiving tons of praise for her portrayal of princess. Diana and spencer but it sounds like it wasn't an easy role to take on. She told the la times quote. It's scary to tell a story about someone who's not alive anymore and who already felt so invaded. I never wanted to feel like we were invading anything just that we were kind of adding to the multiplicity of a beautiful thing. Kristen also revealed that there were times when she felt she got a sort of quote sign off from diana saying quote. I felt some spooky spiritual feelings making this movie. Even if i was just fantasizing i mean i think this just speaks to the real challenge of telling diana's story which is a story all about like the media and the paparazzi and the entertainment industry like really destroying her. And you can make that movie but you can never separate the fact that you are the media and the entertainment industry making that story. You know. I know yeah. There's definitely layers going on there. I also want to. Because i was confused. I just wanna make sure everyone's on the same page right now just so everyone knows. This is a psychological drama. This is not bio-pic. They see raise a psychological drama. And so i don't know this is things are gonna get heavy. It's made by the same director. Who made jackie is that right. Yeah and that movie if you haven't seen it it's not like a biographical retelling of jackie o's life it's very much like a story about inner demons and struggles yet and i'm pretty sure this one takes over the span of like three days during christmas time or something like that when she's like deciding she wants to end her marriage so it's a very specific and short time in her life so it's going to be very concentrated and i am beyond excited because it's it really. I was nervous when they said kristen stewart was gonna be playing her you immediately. Just think of twilight but listen. She's done her homework. She's done a research. He's got the people to help our and she's there. Oh yeah i mean. This movie was basically like genetically engineered in a lab to win oscars yet. And i'm so fucking

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Mike Lindell Feels Like He's Living in a Spy Movie

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:53 min | 9 months ago

Mike Lindell Feels Like He's Living in a Spy Movie

"We're living in extraordinary times. Did you ever think ten years ago. You would be at the center of of history. This this is the nobody could predict anything as bizarre except for god. Who knows you really realize that you really realize this is such a battle of good and evil and and and i knew back into everyone knows my story when the drug dealers did the intervention and and in two thousand eight and i walked back up. I couldn't buy crack anywhere in the streets. And and the one guy says he says They had cut me off and he said to me said mike. He said you've been telling us for years that this my pillow thing is just a platform for god. And you're going to quit someday and come back and help us all now eric. I thought that was the which it is the lyndale recovery network daughter by the way. If you're an addict their goal there is free will help you I thought that was a couple years ago. She said no. She said there's going to be a bigger even something bigger. You can't even imagine and puteh told me something like this. I would i. It was beyond my. It's like living inside of the biggest spy movie and and craziness in history. It's like living inside of a twilight zone episode. That never ends every day. I get up. It's going to be different. But yet i've so pull everybody because imagine if we were in this position and didn't have all the things that we had. You know the things that all the evidence and all these things we are on the side of truth and god. It's all going to get revealed whether they can keep holding down and holding it down. I already know the. I really feel the outcome down the road. And i've said it before. We'll be the greatest uniting of our country in history

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The Media Is Keeping Quiet on the Truth About Trump's Election Win

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:06 min | 9 months ago

The Media Is Keeping Quiet on the Truth About Trump's Election Win

"Help us understand your so in this Pretend you're not just tell for people who really aren't tracking with this because the news refuses to cover this. What is happening. you and i are convinced. There's a reckoning coming. This is not going to go away people like you. We are never going to shut up about what we think is the theft of the voice of the american people. You could tell how angry i am about this. The fact that people are not covering this. What do you see. Well it's like this. Eric has like a you know in november december. Back then we had. We had enough evidence to stack up and everybody in the united states. Take one piece and you would convict. Everyone in the united states felonies. Okay that's so much evidence but if nobody hears it it's like the old tree fallen in the woods thing if a tree falls and nobody hears it did it really full. This is the twilight zone. They've had a that. The media was able to condition us and brain washes just like they've done with the machines and the vaccines well. And then you add this to law fair. Which is what dominion

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"twilights" Discussed on #WhoWouldWin

#WhoWouldWin

03:57 min | 10 months ago

"twilights" Discussed on #WhoWouldWin

"When you have friends princess twilight sparkle can be found buried under a pile of books in the golden oak library trying to cram in a little last minute studying before the grand suare. It is then that a dark cloud thunders into the sky exhaustingly loud heavy metal music booms from the heavens and the presence of the bounty hunter lobo tears. Its way into this reality. Standing in the middle of pony ville logo bellows out all you ponies and other vestiges need to point me towards your leader or i'll murder rate every last living creature rob this planet's why lights sparkle. Here's the challenge lowers her head with determination. Nobody threatens her friends on her watch. C. rockets out the window and joins her enemy in the center of town. Ready to be the hero. equestrian needs. It's the princess of friendship versus the main man it's the equestrian versus zarni in its twilight sparkle versus lopo. Today on who would win and welcome to another episode of who would win. I show that completely ignores anything important happening. The world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic book scifi and fantasy. I'm your host. James gadsden as always i'm joined by my co host raise the canes who would win fans. We have a key panel today. I'm not really sure what the words are they should be saying. You know. it's a battle. That only we the who would wouldn't show would have the audacity the gumption the inner fortitude to present to you today. I hope those are the right words in one corner. You've got lobo the main man from the dc universe possibly the best bounty hunter in all of comics verses seven..

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'Voice' Stars Gwen Stefani, Blake Shelton Wed in Oklahoma

AP News Radio

00:42 sec | 11 months ago

'Voice' Stars Gwen Stefani, Blake Shelton Wed in Oklahoma

"A popular TV couple has tied the knot the nearest judges on the voice and now coaches Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton are in the ultimate do act as a married couple they were hitched over the long holiday weekend in Oklahoma and Stefani posted photos of their wedding online taking the images with Saturday's state and one in which the couple poses under a twilight sky and another's Shelton is seen dressed in jeans and driving the decorated golf cart well in yet another Stefani is seen showing off a pair of white boots under her wedding dress and holding the bouquet of white flowers the couple announced their engagement in October I'm Oscar wells Gabriel

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Corrupt Government Hiding Their Flaws Behind 'Patriotism'; Contextualizing Capitol Police Medals

Mark Levin

01:49 min | 1 year ago

Corrupt Government Hiding Their Flaws Behind 'Patriotism'; Contextualizing Capitol Police Medals

"And corrupt governments always tried to hide their agenda or their flaws in the garb of patriotism. With the metal and I just wanted to bring up the massacre of wounded me where they handed out 21 congressional medals of honor with that slaughter to kind of hide what they did. And that's what they are doing right now for the police on January 6th good job. Good job. Nothing to see here. Why is it that these police are good police, But police everywhere else are bad Police. Can you explain that to me? I don't have the mental capability to to even try to go into that twilight zone. Yeah, I get I get it. So law enforcement stormtrooper section if they're defending a courthouse. That they should give medals of the defending the Capitol building. And I began the program by trying to give a historic perspective which the media will not give. Nobody else will give. To demonstrate that this was not an insurrection. You want to talk about violence shootings in the capital bombings in the capital. I'm not saying there wasn't violence associated with this, but it was nothing close to what we've seen in the past. And all that said. It's not an excuse. The problem is the exploitation by the left the exploitation by the attorney general, the United States and the exploitation by the media and their people today as we speak sitting in jails In solitary confinement. Those families are saying that they're being poorly fed and poorly treated. And we had terrorists in Guantanamo Bay, and we had hearings and concerns about how they were being treated and civil rights groups and advocacy groups. We have nothing. Nothing now going on. With these American citizens. It's disgusting.

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Queen Enters 'Twilight' of Reign After Farewell to Philip

AP News Radio

00:48 sec | 1 year ago

Queen Enters 'Twilight' of Reign After Farewell to Philip

"Now the royal family has said farewell to prince Philip attention will turn to the ninety fifth birthday on Wednesday of the queen and in coming months the celebrations marking the seventy years on the throne these events will remind Britain the reign of the queen the only monarch most of her subjects have ever known is finite this is triggered speculation about how long she will remain on the throne what the moment he will look like in the future and for some even whether it should continue to exist while most observers say Elizabeth is unlikely to abdicate she has already started to turn over more responsibilities to prince Charles her eldest son who's seventy two that process is likely to accelerate following Philip staff chose to live that's not something

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Exploring the Controversy of Branding in Disney Parks

1923 Main Street: A Daddy Daughter Disney Travel Podcast

01:46 min | 1 year ago

Exploring the Controversy of Branding in Disney Parks

"Today we are going to be exploring the controversy between disney themed rides and non disney themed rides pseudo controversy. Yes zuhdi controversy. I created yes. There is some truth to that. But i'm really curious to hear what listeners. Think this week because this is something that bugs me. And i want to know if it bugs other people and i don't know why it bugs me i can't even say it bugs me when i kept a little bit in the dark because i wanted to get her opinion on some of these things that bug me and it is about disney. Themed rides versus non disney. Themed rides is too much disney theme ing bad. You added disney part. Yes or is it a good thing. And here's what i'm getting at. Over the past little. While there has been a trend among disney imagine years and the powers that be who seemed to be on some sort of relentless pursuit to tie everything in the parks to some disney movie characters et cetera et cetera. And i'll give you a couple of example nna vendors land in what you think of these things for example. Here's what i mean. Twilight zone tower of terror california adventure. No it must have a disney character theme. Let's make gardens of the garden. Gardens would have been better okay. Guardians of the galaxy mission. Breakout injury need to do that. Well let me ask you this and you have evidence that says otherwise. Don't you prefer mission breakout all right. That's if that were one. Isolated example

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A Ouija board mystery

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

03:55 min | 1 year ago

A Ouija board mystery

"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries. Heiner host kit chrome in my month-long search our investigation into different forms of nation. I touched on the wage board last friday. And almost as a cautionary tale and immediately received some emails. Asking me to back that up. So i put it to my team of urban legend writers to come up with some information. That was something. I can validate with police. A names and numbers and read over this podcast so here. It is in the small seaside town of dungeness bay. The bodies of seventy five year old eric ward and his seventy two year old wife. Mildred were found on the beach without a mark on either body. The clothes were soaked with seawater. The autopsy report indicated. The water was found in their lungs. The bodies were discovered by a jogger who tracks were the only ones found on the beach when the police arrived locals testified that the couple were often seen walking the beach. at twilight. The couple's adult son clayton ward. Came up from california that after three weeks of intense investigation no suspects were revealed and clayton had to get back to his job as a technology specialist for the silicon valley giant apple but his parting comment to the dungeon is bay. Police was that when he returned he'd be able to identify the murder of his parents in eighteen. Ninety one the patent was granted to elijah bond for the we g board but one of the first mentions of the review board used was in asia around eleven hundred. Ad and historical document documents from that era but the design we know today was based on the talking boards of ohio produced by kennard six months after his first visit to dungeness baked clayton more restrictions on the list of clues. He assured police that if followed would lead them to the murderer of his parents. Seven days later after following the various clues. The police brought in steve hawks. The grounds keeper employed by the wards who under intense interrogation confessed to the drowning of the couple. He claimed that eric had kept a large amount of cash in a safe that he planned on taking. He was however unable to explain how he was going to get into the safe. When asked by the police where he got the clues clayton more replied that he belonged to a small group that used the ouija board to solve crimes and that when his father was contacted his father's spirit told him steve had knocked him unconscious and then dragged him into the waves thinking they would be washed out to sea where they would drown but he was unaware that it was low. Tide and they'd be washed up on the beach with the changing tide. He further toll clayton that. If the police went to steve's house they would find the bloody tire iron news to knock him unconscious. Clayton return to california but when police attempted to contact him with further questions about the clues they found his address was nonexistent. Phone number disconnected no record of employment at the apple corporation. Then investigator that was brought in on the case discovered that eric and ward owned a ouija board and from journal they cap learn that they were often the host of the spirit calling itself. Dozo now we g board users will tell you that. Zoe is the demon spirit of the ouija board that sometimes he becomes protective of those that. Hold the open through the board that allows him to enter this world. Where the wards holding the door open for a demon spirit that manifested into the image of a protective son that never existed and when they were murdered by their grounds keeper was a door that allowed so to pass back and forth between this world and is shut. In which world is he

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"twilights" Discussed on The Twilight Zone Podcast

The Twilight Zone Podcast

11:06 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on The Twilight Zone Podcast

"Could you imagine that? There's an episode set in the Old West or Samson or whatever time period and that's the episode but then you could also have a time travel episode with someone goes back in time and it's sort of in that time period and another episode is kind of the backdrop to that one they don't have to be necessarily connected but you know you could share saying characters you know interest stuff. That's that's the smart production to well. We built this set for the Western. Let's time travel where we go back there. You don't talk time. Travel is something. They haven't done time travel yet. No don't think they have often. That's like a staple of science fiction and the twilight zone as well. So that's talking about. I want to see some time travel at some point in the in this show definitely. We do have a list of episode titles. I mean much like a trailer. They don't mean much out of context really am but I think what what really sticks out to me. And it's hard to tell but there are some quite existential sounding titles like win. Rosenfeld has written one called the who of you so we have one called a human face a Jordan. Peele wrote one so there's one called a small town in chested so again. It's hard to tell. It's all speculation bull. It's kind of one of the things that I'm hoping for. I mean let's get into that thought we are. We get some more kind of existential type. Stories stoeffler. The original twilight zone was so good APP. But this one hasn't particularly touched on that much yet Like you do not exist. There's there's a lot of like identity dialogue in this now. Who are you discover who you are that kind of stuff? So the more the more internal look at things which is another classic twilight zone angle so I know they said like each season. We kind of have a theme like the first season was truth. And maybe this one is identity. I I think I read that somewhere along the way talking about these. So maybe that's what their angle's going to be this season but yet no those are cool. I like those those introspective stories. I think there's a lot of potential there because you know depending on who the main character is or whatever the journeys going on you can go through that now. I mean they can't all be like you don't exist something I I wondered to the different shades. They can do with that. But and you're right the trailer. I mean it really tells you nothing. I don't know you don't know who saying what to who so this is from. Yeah it's funny because I think in in the In the season one trailer I think you could really tell like. Oh well this episode and this one seems to do this the one on the plane in this dryden but this one. I'm like I don't know anyone could be saying anything any other than Joel McHale in Arctic. I can't I can't tell you. What episode is what it seems like you. Have you have that one? And you have the The terret card one with the guy in the car shop. And then you have the one With time being frozen and there are some other ones sprinkled in there. But I have no idea where these other bits these Easter eggs. I have no idea what episodes they're in or anything like that. No I think that's cool If they're going to have a theme this season I think that's that's a cool theme and one that's universal and timeless. Which is I think something that we had talked about. After the first one everybody the Journal I I feel the Journal. Consensus was okay. You did some some more ripped from the headlines Stories. Now let's take a step back and do some more universal human condition stories as opposed to. Hey guys did you see in the news the other day. Let's talk about it on the twilight zone so yeah yeah as far as teams go like I mentioned to you Before we started recording the the main poster has the way it is on it and I've seen different graphics here and there like on the main one. It's above the waves the twilight zone. So it's Kinda like escape the twilight zone and then on other images. It's in different places. So I kinda like that. That THE SUBTITLE FOR THE SEASON. If you like and that we're gonNA land how that all ties together so. I mean let's just Kinda go with our hopes for the season. Really now the wads criticism. Not like you said a lot of ripped from the headlines of last time round A lot of people said it was too political. I personally feel that without getting into that too much. Those people saying that the twilight zone shouldn't be doing this kind of thing and then I saw. He's alive for the first time deal the week and that kind of put all. That's a bad for me. I mean I never really thought in any way bull he's alive. You can't get more on the nose and Hitler coins up. You know what I mean so it was never my opinion. I you know. I respect people's thoughts on that but it was never my opinion that anything they did not season was Simpson. That Rod serling would with bought by the same token. I wouldn't want a whole season of. He's alive exactly at the. There's a place for it but let's have a balance of both in my opinion so that that is my hope that I don't mind things looking at whatever current topic kind of thing and putting it in an important in the twilight zone package bought. I think we need to start seeing some of those other things now and it seems to be that the end of season one spoilers but I think even if people haven't seen the end is out there that sailing cameo was pretty much saying that and that was the whole episode was dealing with the angst of how do we create another twilight zone and because defense thing the pops into people's heads is like. Oh Yeah you know tackling these topics so it was almost as if sailing was saying okay. That's fine but look look at the ones of that is out there. You know that scene to be the point of it so going in. I do think we'll probably see different shades of things so that's my hope. Really what about you? Yeah and I think it was interesting. I I wasn't my top ten right if I was GONNA rank other the the first season the the season finale probably be somewhere in the middle like it wasn't like Oh that was my blowing but I thought it brought some interesting ideas especially when the it seemed to be a commentary on itself before they'd even knew what the conversation was going to be. Because obviously these were all made before they released and obviously a lot of the conversation was the twilight zone. Should be this know that draws on should be this and they actually talked about that in the show. Right where it's like. Well no it should just be monsters scary stories and a twist and we know this more than that. And and the the show itself actually you know grapples with that which I thought was very Meta and very cool although one of my hopes to not see. Cj Rod Sterling again to be honest like obviously. We did that very good. Let's move on but yeah no I. I I think finding that balance of telling a well told tale and then lake. Oh Wow you know what that made me think about my current situation and I think the beauty of the twilight zone and other great science fiction being used as parable right like the original star Trek as well Is it can make you look at an issue. And then you find yourself you know opening your mind to it or siding with the other side than you would in real life and then you're done and you think about like. Oh wait a minute. That'd be. I think it's helpful for these two to to these kinds of stories to make you come to your own conclusion right and instead of it showing you what is literally happening in the world and you're already bringing to it. What were you what you think about it where you are on it and then you leave that episode. Oh of course I I still feel the same way right and I. You know what I'm saying. I back in the sixties right in the fifties for original twice on the sensors and they headed like slip stuff in right and now I know a lot of people who make star Trek towards now. Now we don't have to worry about having to sneak by a message but yeah but but that was part of the genius of it like it. They kinda snuck in like a message to you. That made you reconsider things. And Reef reframing things from a science fiction point of view made you kind of reframe your worldview from time to time and not everything was some amazing soapbox going to change your life changer. World you episode. I'm not saying that I'm saying that you know it was really. It was a very smart texture to the show in the DNA to to to weave that in there with the cool storytelling which thin made you reconsider things instead of showing your current event right and be like. Oh yes I agree with about guns for example although you know just just for the record. I feel like the Blue Scorpion. I got that title right. I think that was actually one of the best ones because there was a lot of ambiguity there about like wait to the gun make life better or worse or is that what is it saying here but that creates conversation. I think that's the best thing about what these stories create conversation. Where you were you debate like what is it saying? What how does that apply to us? That kind of thing instead of us all winding up into our predetermine points of view and yes I agree show. So that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm hoping for to create more conversation. Not About not. The conversation of is this the twilight zone. This is terrible not that kind of conversation conversation about like. Oh that's interesting you all of this and that and US and well. What if this person was in charge? And what if we win here and there that those are the human condition stuff is what I'm looking for so that those are those are my hopes to have. Conversation spun out of the concepts. They're presenting as opposed to. I don't think rod sterling would have approved of their show. So that's that's what that's what I'm looking for. That's what I'm saying I get. I do think a lot of the stuff in season. One was more universal than it was given credit for because I do think there is a thing these days of. If there's a sniff of social commentary you know it's like now you know it's to see this. I am even one of the most hot button. Topic episodes the immigration one. I can't remember the name but you know the point point of origin. Look you're on a roll man? I better stop now. I don't think that was putting across a political points of view to be honest and that's going to be kind of controversial essay bought for me. That was pushing us in the shoes of someone who's well changes overnight and it was saying this could happen to any of us so before we make our decisions on any of this. Just remember that people at the core of it you know so it wasn't say and no you should let everyone into your country. It wasn't saying you should close the borders. It wasn't do not it to me. It was just saying at the core of this that our people and we all those people at some point and I think at the moment with covert and stuff. We've all got a taste of our world's changing.

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"twilights" Discussed on The Twilight Zone Podcast

The Twilight Zone Podcast

13:34 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on The Twilight Zone Podcast

"Much. Not only have cited. Sean might journey and wondrous land boundaries. That's the signpost up ahead you're next. Stop the twilight zone tonight on. The twilight zone podcast. We once again hit the road to the new twilight zone now. Last year we took several stops along that road As we discussed our hopes for the show what we expected and all those developments that came out this year. I think we're only going to take one. Stop along the way because we we kind of know the shape of the show now but my good friend on that Janney last time was the one Zach Mole. How's IT GOIN' ZAC. What'S UP Tom? Hatchback here in the fifth dimension with you like I said Zach last time it was like. Oh there's a new trailer we need to talk about it. Oh opposed that. We need to talk about it. There was so many little stops along the announcement. Let's talk about it. Yeah Yeah but I. I don't think we need to Kinda blanket. Cover the thing this time around because we we kind of know this show people know whether they like it or they don't and and what so expect from it to a degree. Obviously a new season brings with it new possibilities. So it debuts on June twenty fifth and but I guess something that does ban little discussion is. They've made the decision to drop it. All in one go which is. Kinda strange considering all of their prestige shows on CBS. All access like mainly star Trek. I guess they space out but the the dropping it all in one go. Whoa any thoughts on that sock. Well it's interesting that CBS. All access has chosen not to have that model up to this point so them changing it implies that there perhaps there's some changes behind the scenes. I know that you know to to put your your business cap on Cvs and Viacom paramount have remerged back in the mid two thousands. They split and led to a lot of star trek split. Which is which. I'm very aware of being a star Trek Fan. That's why I had the movies on one side of the TV show on the other end. And I never the two shall meet for several years. Would back in the nineties. There was some crossover between the two because it was all under the paramount. Cbs banner all that to say things are changing behind the scenes. Cbs All access. So maybe that's as they're going to be their new model. Maybe they're going to be more like Netflix. Or a Hulu where they're like okay. This is the day. Go Watch everything and you know from a financial standpoint actually makes less sense because if you wanted to watch the show you'd like well okay awesome for CBS. Alexis for one month. And I'll watch all those shows I mean there's ten episodes of seasons you. The new twilight zone yet. Thirty days is playing time to watch that. I'm sure that Uber Fans will watch it in one or two days and then you're done but then if you release it in a week by week which I know people are. Why don't they release it all at once? People were frustrated when they found out that southern release star Trek Discovery and etc But it makes a lot more sense just from a business model because you keep people subscribed and it gives you time to like a simulated show and you think about it. You Zantac patient for the next one. I mean I remember. I season one of the zone. Correct me if I'm wrong. But we didn't know like episode titles or casts for like a the way we do now like there's a list now of all the all the titles and the cast and I think you know we knew some but there were like you didn't know what was coming next. We were kind of trying to guess and that was kind of exciting as well because only okay I I have no idea. Let's coming up on episode like six or seven once you got past that initial trailer for the for the season. Resell out of her episodes. So there are pros and cons to that. I mean obviously is exciting to get it all at once but at the same time that the bench culture does change the way you watch shows so As much as maybe the the the first season was a blur this'll be a super blur because it all at once you know no one will necessarily watch the first episode when I know even even there was some confusion here on the podcast right back into someone because they announced what was nightmare. Thirty thousand feet was going to be the first episode so we talked about it. We're anticipating it and they released the comedian and nightmare thirty thousand feet the same time and technically comedian was the first one. So the order is all out of whack. So I don't know they'll be more things like that going on so I guess that's my long answer to a very simple question for either Tom. I have some thoughts about the been reading online. Some people are speculating that it's because of the situation in the world at the moment you know the cove in nineteen thing an and Black Mirror. I think I'm not sure how true this is what I've seen someone writing. They hold off from releasing new episodes because I love Black Mirror. It's not a walk in the park is that it's pretty grim. Takes much of that exactly so some people are speculating that they put it all out. So it's not like okay as the weeks go on. Oh He's another twilight zone and it's just like you know a a depressing kind of thing but that would suggest that they're all going to be totally quite bleak which we'll get to that in a minute so I don't know how true that is but it certainly makes it interesting from the point of view of covering on this show because the only way I could really just do it quickly is if we didn't have the listener participation Juno what I mean because I could conceivably say okay. Well I'll just get them all recorded within a couple of weeks and you know. Just release him. You know I would then have to jettison listeners. I the things which I thought was quite fun last time we had a whole range of opinions and stuff like that so in my head at the moment. I'm still thinking I'll go weekly am but then it's a situation whereby week ten. You're talking about this. Show them a lot of people. Might finished watching Weeks ago so it. It's interesting you know. What can you not stop and think about you when they made the schedule time? That's my main concern Jordan. You could've called and just went over this with me. I would have you know but anyway that is the so. We have a Troia. Now the thing is when there's a new trailer for like Star Trek discovery or Picard. Or something you can say my God. Data's in or Oh my God look at this or look at that with the twilight zone trail. And it's a it's a different kind of experience because nothing really means and until you actually watch the episodes for. How'd you feel about the trailer anyway? You know I liked this musical style. They've come up with for the trailers like duct on Like it sounds. It's very updated Bernard Hermit esque with just the strings and it's a really cool way to update the feel of the theme without having to go duty due to the entire time. Of course they incorporate that but they've found a way which I applaud to give you that that flavor of twilight zone music and ambiance with their with the way they present these trailers and they're sticky. It's the same. It's the same kind of might be the same exact track for all I know but the stuff. They were using last season in the trailers but she also found very effective. So it's mysterious but it drives the energy and it feels like twilight zone so that that's a huge component and. Yeah no I thought it was as always with these trailers. I thought they were very good. I I noticed all the little Easter eggs in there. I guess they're gonNA continue that. Hey remember this from the old twilight zone there's a little little invader there from the invaders and there's the glasses from Timing timing last like what's the the glasses from there which is interesting because they've already referenced. Timing of Alas in the finale she. She's walking up the library steps. So we're going to keep going back to that and and I was looking for other references. I didn't see any other objects yet but I did notice there was a hal. Nine thousand from two thousand one did you did you. Did you see that? No I never be honest. A lot of them go over my head anyway. I am not one of those who comes off it with this. I mean obviously you can't miss the invader it's just. It's such an iconic kind of image. I I mean I'm cool with all this I don't mind it. I think my favorite type of reference is where it's like you know I don't need the kind of reference where you see someone looking at their phone. And it says Mr Beavis and their contact lists something. I'm not too. I'm not too bad. I need that I need that of an now. Well they did it in the last season. I don't think it was Mr Beavis but it was like someone picked up the phone and it was like you know Mr Dingle. Oh whatever the the ones I like is where you could conceivably say this has taken place in the same universe as an episode like the busy bee cafe or something or the the whipple technology. Those kind of things are are the sorts of references that I like so yeah. I'm cool with that. The trailer overall. I guess what they've got to do because none of it makes sense out of context just build intrigue and. I think it was a pretty good job of doing that doesn't it? Yeah no I definitely think so and and speaking the busy busy Abebe Cup on the ground as well as and they're continuing that uh that mythology and you know there's a lot of intriguing stuff here like You know you're not we're talking a little bit off. Microphone before this end the the Joel Joel McHale part and I was like Oh alien planet see an astronaut is like he's just in you just Arctic. I was like okay but Yeah it looks like we have a variety of locations and things like that and Although they are all earthbound Tom which I know is something that you had some thoughts odd moving into season two. It's too hot to say. We don't know what common yet boards. I was Kinda hoping we would get some alien. Planets may be different time periods. Those kinds of things. I mean they might be there because we didn't see any every from the last one. I think that would have been good to sorta try and work within that space some of those twilight zone traditions. So I'm hoping maybe there's a COUPLA surprises there because it all does look at contemporary and as bound at the moment. Yeah it's it's like the not too distant future of now. Sometimes I mean they're a couple episodes in the last season lake Six degrees of separation freedom of six degrees of town Bacon. Yeah that's what I was thinking. I'm taking on all episodes dials. This excuse me but that was like okay. Well that's kind of the future a little bit but it's kind of now right and that's that's the kind of the the space exists in which is speaking of Black Mirror. The same space that show also exists in but yeah no. I I would. Let's have a Western right. The Not that the western. I don't think no Western twilight zones in my top ten or whatever but that's part of the show like the years eighteen sixty five in all right. Let's let's get some of that. And there maybe maybe because a westworld they wanted they think like that's they don't WanNa go there but I mean they're going into Black Mirror territorial go into westworld territory lot right. Don't be afraid The valgy shows like you can. You can do anything so you don't. You don't have to stay on earth like lots of shows film in Vancouver Canada and they find ways to go to other planets so you guys can't do so so so we'll see. I think yeah I agree with you. There's some more some more variety although getting back to what you said about the injury Like at least there's a variety of things on on earth right. There's like seems to be some kind of doing some kind of tariff card thing which is a classic I think I can see that being like a classic trope of like destiny or nick of time or something like that right. Somebody tries to avoid a fate or get trapped into it. Looks like they're they're doing some. Maybe some isolated episodes of the thing or something. They're in the Arctic. That's where my mind goes when you have like a team of scientists or explorers in in a cold environment. Maybe they're doing something like that So so yeah. There's there's also one with a talk on the actress series we talk about the titles at the end but Were there's a woman that is seems to be stuck in between moments in time like the like the world is under maintenance and I I know for a fact there is an episode of the two thousand swabs on like that with Christopher Titus where he's like he's like like people are like preparing your fixing time and he gets stuck in between and I think there's an episode like that in the eighty show as well so I don't know if that's a remake or just a just a concept they're copying but that's that's where my mind went immediately when I saw that parts of the trailers so interesting and Justin. I think as well if they are going with the whole loosely linking every season which I really liked in the last season having things set in different types. Could you imagine that? There's an episode set in the Old West or Samson or whatever time period and that's the episode but then you could also have a time travel episode.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

05:43 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"As. We were talking about earlier. The little Bush Moa went extinct in the thirteenth century. Now this work was dependent on DNA extracted from the toe bone of MOA, that was housed in the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, and this kind of reconstruction is not easy at all. Because well, you can extract a lot of genetic information. The physical genome like the chromosomes are often kind of shattered, so you have to figure out how all the pieces of information that you've extracted fit together into a broader chromosomal structure and as with other assemblies of this kind, the researchers here looked into the genomes of living relatives for clues, basing the reconstruction of the pieces on the reference template of an e Mu kind of like how mammoth reconstruction would be based on the genome of of living elephants and things like that now the time of Begley article there were several experts in the field who praised the work. a Morton Allen tough to. We were talking about several times He called it a significant step forward also. Also the evolutionary molecular biologist. Beth Shapiro of UC Santa Cruz. Praised the research. There was one concerning feature so this paper in two thousand eighteen was published on Bio Archive, which is a non peer reviewed pre print server. It's so it's like nothing wrong with something going up on there. It's a place to post research for public access and review before it gets published in a journal, but I was unable to find evidence of this paper appearing in an actual journal since then so I'm not sure what that means. Means maybe it doesn't mean anything, or maybe it means something about this genome assembly didn't hold up to scrutiny I guess I, guess we'll have to wait and see, but either way the recent disappearance of the Moa I think absolutely makes them a potential candidate for de Extinction, and this research helps move things in that direction now, of course just because we could doesn't necessarily mean that we should I I don't know I don't know if I have a position on the ethics of de Extinction overall, but. Obviously that's a question that should be considered before we bring these things back and set them loose Disneyworld, but what an attraction that would be disneyworld. Up to the Mickey You, get your picture taken with Mickey. Then you go up to the MOA. You try to get your picture taken. You see if it cooperates. Yeah danger zone for sure, but it's like wh-. What if what if John could kick? What if? The Mighty Claudio! There's so many factors to consider him potentially reintroducing a creature like this. Even if it's one hundred percent feasible to to bring them back because again you're. You're to a certain extent doing what all these different waves of interference have done in the past. You're taking the environment and you're shaking it up again you're. You're adding something to it even if it's something that used to be there in some form. It's it's a difficult equation, and then I imagine also there's the argument of. Is this the best use of our energy to? Should we be focusing on creatures that are still with us that can be. It can be saved or creatures that are say extinct in the wild, but can still be reintroduced I mean a lot of those are entirely separate bathroom. That certainly involve genetics, but Yeah, it's it's. It's a complex situation. It's not just a matter of oh well. We can bring it back. Let's do it mows everywhere I'm just saying if we were GONNA. Make a park with de extinct animals, maybe maybe extinct giant birds rather than dinosaurs, since he can't do the non avian dinosaurs. Why not terror birds in Moas? Without a doubt I would, I would love to see one of these creatures in real life. They just sound amazing. It's. Not to see these these two legged organisms ambling about. Mentioned on twigs and branches. would be dutiful is provided. There was there was the space for it. So I. Don't know it'd be interesting to see what happens with this I know it's been. It's been brought up before sometimes I think by politicians even. been controversial. There's a New Zealand politician who, for some reason has been very in favor of bringing back the MOA. I'm not sure why. by the way I just looked it up. Unfortunately, the terror birds appear to be just out of range given the The figures we reciting earlier I think they went extinct, probably around one point eight million years ago. The Mos- it is that. moas elephant birds anything else. Within within reach that would have to those would have to be the main attractions that are park. GimMe a hostile baby. Oh, yeah, for for sure all right so there you have. It are two part. Look at the MOA, the rise of the MOA the twilight of the MOA. I found this to be just a really. engrossing. Project to work on because it ends up dealing with so many things you're dealing with. With biology evolution of of organisms you're dealing with. The history of human migration. Colonial disruption in the possibility of bringing extinct creature back to live through genetic science. Really has everything spared no expense. All right so obviously we'd love to hear from everyone out there. I also know that we have. We have plenty of listeners who live in New Zealand and traveled to New Zealand. We'll have some sort of roots or connection to New Zealand. We would love to to hear from you about this topic. What are your thoughts about the Moa? In what do you have to add to our discussion here? What are your thoughts about? Being called Kiwis Oh. Yeah, yeah! I would I would love to hear from actual. News even residents on the matter. Would they rather be called Moas?.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

14:14 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Deanna. Both of these reasons have to do with time So the first is that the fossil mosquito is only forty six million years old so the last of the Non Avian dinosaurs we know died out in the KPMG extinction. That was about sixty six million years ago. This mosquito would have been from the Middle Eocene So if it were possible to clone anything based on what was in the Mosquitos guts it would have to be something that lived in North America around that period and I was like well hell. I'll look candidate and I found a pretty cool. One the coolest candidate I could come up with was named Miss Sonics whose name means Middle Claw and who is part of now. Extinct larger group of carnivorous. Ungodly limits. Carnivorous ungulates remember. The ungulates are the hoof to mammals So examples would be dear. You know Bovines horses. But these of course are carnivorous. He can't think of ungulates like that. Today there were once predatory carnivorous hoofed mammals roaming the continents You know try to think of a donkey that could eat you. Yeah this is a really cool. And they'll look up Paleo art for because it seems like it's just very hard creature to try envisioning your head. You know a lot of the Australians end up just looking like this weird kind of like a long smelted almost like a cross between a rodent and lion it's get a re- really weird sense of category confusion. We look at these images. I mean a lot of description say it would have been in some ways superficially like a wolf but of course it was not of the the order of the the dogs. It was not like a big cat. It's not like a wolf. It's not any of that in terms of evolutionary relationships. It's more like a deer or a cow or a horse or something but it is a carnivore that would you know my bite your leg off so anyway. I'm all for cloning a ton of those if we could but again. I want to stress that There was an honorable material within that mosquitoes abdomen. And in fact based on what we know there couldn't be Because other reason you couldn't clone dinosaurs from the gut contents of any mosquito is. Dna is extremely fragile. It breaks down very quickly. Starts breaking down within hours of the death of an organism After forty six million years DNA would degrade to the point where genome can no longer be recovered. All the more at anything older than sixty six million years so you can't get to a dinosaur So then you might wonder well. How long can DNA last in in preserved animal remains? What's the farthest back that we could go to sequence the genome of an extinct creature extract? All that information and then maybe even clone it back to life if possible. Well the MOA has a part to play in the answer to this question. I found this out total serendipity. I didn't even know this when I started looking into this subject So to determine the period within which you could reasonably expect to extract usable DNA from sample. You need to know the rate of molecular decay for DNA as a molecule and there was a study in two thousand twelve. That looked into this question. It was by our friend Morton e Allen. Toft that you mentioned earlier but also by Matthew Collins David Harker James Highly Charlotte L. Awesome Marie L. Hail Paula F Campos Oh and apparently at others I guess it had a lot of authors sorry But it was called the half-life of DNA in bone measuring decay kinetics in one hundred and fifty eight dated fossils published in the proceedings of the Royal Society B so the authors here examined Mighty conrail DNA from one hundred fifty eight radiocarbon dated bones of the extinct New Zealand. Moa All from between six hundred eight thousand years ago and all preserved in roughly equivalent environmental conditions. And that's very important because it gives us a point of reference if like the conditions under which the bones are preserved or roughly the same. Then you can start to get a good idea between them what the average rate of decay is. It's not going to vary as much due to differing environmental factors so they estimated From the sample that the average half life of DNA was about five hundred twenty one years. So you start with original sample of DNA in bone and after five hundred twenty one years half of it's gone then after another five hundred twenty one years. Half of what remains is broken down. So now you're down to a quarter of the original concentration so it the the decay adds up fast No of course the decay rate of DNA will not be the same in all cases. It's going to depend on factors About in what conditions it's preserved but even in ideal conditions there does appear to be a ceiling on how long DNA lasts or how long you could expect to get any usable information out of it under the absolute best conditions this means basically every molecular bond between the nuclear tides of the DNA would be broken down after about six point eight million years but long before that even if some bonds are still intact the DNA would be so broken up that would be unreadable. The maximum recoverability threshold for meaningful genetic information might be something like one point five million years or so so it seems to have been the scientific consensus for for several years now the DNA is way too short lived for us to ever clone dinosaurs. Except I did come across a really recent study just from this month March. Twenty me Now it doesn't disprove the this but it is a still controversial reported. Finding that would seem to challenge this if it's correct so it was published in the National Science Review in March Twenty Twenty By alita Bailey. Howell at all and So the the authors right here quote a history logical ground section from a duck billed. Dinosaur Nestling in the species is hypocrisy. Boris Stephan Jerry. revealed micra structures morphological consistent with nuclei in chromosomes in cells within calcified cartilage. We hypothesize that this exceptional mobile cellular preservation extended to the molecular level and had molecular features in common with extant avian cartilage so the duck billed dinosaur. It's another Montana. Special discovered in the nineteen eighties. It would have been a nest of young duckbilled herbivores that all died sometime around seventy five million years ago and the paleontologists here were examining skull shards from these juveniles and the shorts would have been made out of cartilage rather than out of bone but when examining the these cartilage skull shorts or the remains of them. the The researchers believe that they discovered signs of intact Cell Nuclei and DNA within these fragments But then again I I WANNA say. A lot of paleontologists are skeptical about this supposed find. Of course there's the theoretical limitation on how long DNA would last or at least is believed to last a on a molecular basis. But I was also reading a piece by a University of Bristol. Vertebrate paleontologist named Michael Benton. Who thinks it's more likely that if there is any actual DNA in the sample it came from recent external contamination not from a dinosaur. So I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens there with follow up research but I don't know that's interesting absolutely and it gives us some hope right But we gotta bring it back to the MOA so whatever the truth about DNA for millions of years ago as unlikely as that seems the MOA has existed much more recently and for that reason the idea of recovering the genome of the MOA and bringing species of Moa back from extinction is much more plausible by orders of magnitude. So back to that Sharon Begley article from twenty eighteen. She writes about how there's a team of researchers based out of Harvard University that we're able to assemble an almost complete genome for our old friend. We mentioned in the last episode and I think earlier in this one the little Bush Moa or a novel optics did a former US So these again would not be the biggest ones. These are not the towering. Moa these would be the smaller variety but I would not be surprised if they could still kick you throw doubt. I'd probably wear some tough customers as we were talking about earlier the Little Bush. Moa went extinct in the thirteenth century now. This work was dependent on. Dna extracted from the toe bone of Moa that was housed in the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto and this kind of reconstruction is not easy at all because well you can extract a lot of genetic information. The physical genome Like the chromosomes are often kind of shattered. So you have to figure out how all the pieces of information that you've extracted fit together into a broader chromosomal structure And as with other assemblies of this kind the researchers here looked into the genomes of living relatives for clues basing the reconstruction of the pieces on the reference template of an e Mu Kind of like how? Mammoth reconstruction would be based on the genome of of living elephants. And things like that now. The time of Begley article. There were several experts in the field. Who praised the work A Morton Allen tough to. We were talking about several times He called it a significant step forward. Also the Evolutionary Molecular Biologist Beth Shapiro of UC. Santa Cruz praised the research. There was one concerning feature so this paper In two thousand eighteen was published on Bio Archive. Which is a non peer reviewed pre print server. It's so it's like nothing wrong with something going up on there. It's a place to post research for public access and review before it gets published in a journal but I was unable to find evidence of this paper appearing in an actual journal since then so I'm not sure what that means Maybe it doesn't mean anything. Or maybe it means something about this genome. Assembly didn't hold up to scrutiny. I guess I guess we'll have to wait and see but either way the recent disappearance of the Moa I think absolutely makes them a potential candidate for de Extinction and this research help smooth things in that direction. Now of course just because we could doesn't necessarily mean that we should I I don't know I don't know if I have a position on the ethics of DE EXTINCTION OVERALL. But obviously that's a question that should be considered before we bring these things back and set 'em loose disneyworld but what an attraction that would be disneyworld right. You go up to the Mickey you get your picture taken with Mickey then you go up to the Moa you try to get your picture taken you see if it cooperates. Yeah Danger Zone for sure. But it's like wh- what if what if John could kick what if the mighty Claudio. Yeah I mean there's so many factors to consider him potentially reintroducing a creature like this even if it's one hundred percent feasible to to bring them back because again you're you're to a certain extent doing what all these different waves of interference has done in the past. You're taking the environment and you're shaking it up again. You're you're adding something to it even if it's something that used to be there in some form It's it's a difficult equation and then I imagine. Also there's the argument of is this the best use of our energy to should. We be focusing on creatures. That are still with us. That can be it can be saved or creatures that are say extinct in the wild but can still be reintroduced. I mean a lot of those are entirely separate battles. That certainly involve genetics. But Yeah it's IT'S. It's a complex situation. It's not just a matter of. Oh well we can bring it back. Let's do it mows everywhere. I'm just saying if we were GONNA make a park with D. extinct animals. Maybe maybe extinct giant birds rather than dinosaurs. Since he can't do the Non Avian dinosaurs. Why not terror birds in Moas without a doubt I would. I would love to see one of these creatures in real life. They just sound amazing. It's not to see these. These two legged organisms ambling about mentioned on twigs and branches would be. Dutiful is provided there was. There was the space for it so I don't know it'd be interesting to see what happens with this. I know it's been it's been brought up before. Sometimes I think by politicians even it's been controversial. There's a New Zealand. Politician who for some reason has been Very in favor of bringing back the MOA. I'm not sure why By the way I just looked it up. Unfortunately the terror birds appear to be just out of range given the The figures we were citing earlier. I think they went extinct. Probably around one point eight million years ago the MOS it is that moas elephant birds Anything else within within reach that would have to those would have to be the main attractions that are park. GimMe a hostile baby. Oh Yeah for for sure all right so there you have. It are two part. Look at the MOA the rise of the MOA the twilight of the MOA. I found this to be just a really engrossing project to work on. Because it ends up dealing with so many things you're dealing with with biology evolution of of organisms you're dealing with the history of human migration colonial disruption in the possibility of bringing extinct creature back to live through genetic science. Really has everything spared. No expense all right so obviously we'd love to hear from everyone out there. I also know that we have. We have plenty of listeners who live in New Zealand and traveled to New Zealand. We'll have some sort of roots or connection to New Zealand. We would love to to hear from you about this topic. What are your thoughts about the Moa in what you have to add to our discussion? Here what are your thoughts about being called Kiwis? Oh Yeah Yeah I would. I would love to hear from actual news even residents on the matter. Would they rather be called Moas?.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Alright right we're back a dinosaur story. We're back dinosaur story. You don't know that movie. I don't know that I do. Oh Man I think I rented that when I was a kid. Let's see when did that come out. A seven eight ninety three based in eighty seven. Oh Yeah I rented that one when I was a kid that was a that was a turtles video Find that I brought home a savage that from the from the bone heap. And I don't think it was good. I mean I haven't seen it since I was a child does not seem like one of the animated dinosaur movies. That would hold up best. I don't know I'm looking at up in this voice. Cast you got John Goodman the Jalen cronkite. I think Walter cronkite plays like a mad scientists who brings dinosaurs through a time portal or something and puts them into New York in the in. The nineties and Julia Child is in this really. Yeah does she play one of the dinosaurs now? Sadly she plays a worker at the Museum of Natural History. Okay well I don't know maybe that would be interesting to go back and excavate at some point but it looks great. It has four directors mark of quality Okay so we're talking about the possible resurrection of the MOA now There was a pretty good article. I was reading about this on stat by science writer. Sharon Begley from February seventh two thousand eighteen And it concerned the possible extinction of one species of MOA Of course if you're not familiar with the concept of De Extinction has come up on the show before but you can probably figure it out from the name right. It's also known as a resurrection biology. It refers to the process of bringing extinct species back to life the pop culture example that everybody knows is Jurassic Park. So yeah now. What did they do in Jurassic Park? They found ancient deposits of amber. Were fossilized tree sap in which dinosaur era mosquitoes had been trapped to win? The South was still soft in the sap hardened over time and then fossilized on the ground Presumably the Mosquitos in the sap were trapped with their bellies full of dinosaur blood that they just feasted on and so the scientists in the book in the movie Jurassic Park. They extract the preserve dinosaur. Blood they they sequence it out they get Mr DNA from the from the insect bellies and then they used that blood and DNA sequenced from it to clone. Dinosaurs was of course I. I would say very ingenious plot device but unfortunately looks like it probably would not work in reality. What if what? If the reason it didn't work though was that it turns out the mosquitoes had not consumed the blood of dinosaurs but he consume the blood of the time travelers from Ray Bradbury sound of thunder man. What what were the chances that would be very good closed? Time travel loop what do what do you like better? The time travel movies where you go back and actually change the past or the ones where you go back and it proves to be a closed loop where you just 'cause whatever president already happened. Oh well you have to go back and forth between the two you know I feel like that's the only way it really works. You know it's like it's an hour in the the suite with your time travel but let's bring things back to dress park. Why didn't it work okay? So basically there are several reasons but they all come down to time now. One of the reasons is not in fact that you couldn't discover a mosquito with prehistoric blood and guts that but believe it or not Paleontologists actually have discovered preserved insects. Full of the remains of N- not intact but the remains of prehistoric blood in fossil beds And this is the slight tangent. But I didn't already know this and I was amazed by what I was reading here. So there's one prominent example. I could find. I don't know if this is still the only major example known today But it was described in a research article published in in two thousand thirteen called Hemoglobin Derived Poor Feron's preserved in a middle. Eocene blood engorged mosquito and it was by daily Green Wall to Yulia Escanaba Sandra M Celia strum. Tim Rose and Ralph e Harbach and the discovery was also written up by Ed. Yong in a short news item for the Journal Nature on October Fourteenth Twenty Thirteen So the researchers here were examining a total of thirty six mosquito specimens from US shale deposit known as the Coal Creek member of the kitchen and formation in northwestern Montana and the layer from which they were recovered is estimated to be about forty six million years old. So this collection of fossilized mosquitoes included two previously unknown species of the genus Coolest Seda one was cooling kitchen and one was coolest. Sadegh lameness gotTA But one of the mosquitoes from this bone yard was truly special And you can look up images if you want on the Internet in the words of the researchers. The image of this specimen was quote. Obviously that of a female blood engorged mosquito with non antennae and a very dark red black distended abdomen. Compared with the Non Humana fakeness mail So there's a new word for vampire fiction by the way matter. Famous means eats. Blood drips blood. Non-automatic Vegas would mean does not drink blood like the male mosquitoes. The male mosquito doesn't drink blood. Obviously if your gut is busting with blood like this This female mosquito here. You are matter ficus But But ed young writes in summary that prior to this discovery paleontologists had found fossils of blood sucking insects. But we always had to guess what these insects were. Feeding on through. Kind of indirect cues like preserved evidence of blood borne parasites contained in their digestive systems. This fossil find was totally different because it contained direct molecular evidence of blood feeding within the insects. Gut specifically lots of iron in organic compounds. Called poor fear ends which are constituents of Hemoglobin. The protein responsible for transporting oxygen in blood And the find was also extremely unlikely in the words of the lead author. Dale Greenwald quote the abdomen of a blood engorged. Mosquito is like a balloon ready to burst. It is very fragile. The chances that it wouldn't have disintegrated prior to fossils ation were infinitesimally small. And IT'S AMAZING. Because that's on top of the already miniscule chances of any animal being fossilized in the first place. I mean remember. The the fossil lottery has few winners almost all organisms. That ever live just decomposed disappear without leaving a trace as right but unfortunately there are a couple of reasons. You cannot use this mosquito mosquito like it to extract Dino Dna.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Alright right, we're back a dinosaur story. A movie. Dinosaur, story, you don't know that movie I don't know that I do oh, man! I think I rented that when I was a kid. Let's see. When did that. Come Out? A seven, eight, ninety, three based in eighty seven. Oh Yeah I rented that one. When I was a kid that was a that was a turtles video. find that I. brought home, a savage that from the from the bone heap and. I don't think it was good I mean. I haven't seen it since I. was a child does not seem like one of the animated dinosaur movies that would hold up best. I know I'm looking at up in this voice cast. You Got John Goodman the Jalen. Oh! Cronkite I think Walter cronkite plays like a mad scientists who brings dinosaurs through a time portal or something, and puts them into New, York in the in the nineties and Julia. Child is in this really yeah. Does she play one of the dinosaurs? Sadly, she plays a worker at the Museum of Natural History. Okay. Well, I don't know maybe that would be. Interesting to go back and excavate at some point, but it looks great. It has four directors. Mark of quality. okay, so we're talking about the possible resurrection of the MOA. Now There was a pretty good article. I was reading about this on stat by science writer. Sharon Begley from February seventh two thousand eighteen and it concerned the possible D. extinction of one species of MOA. of of course, if you're not familiar with the concept of De, extinction has come up on the show before, but you can probably figure it out from the name right. It's also known as a resurrection biology. It refers to the process of bringing an extinct species back to life. The pop culture example that everybody knows is Jurassic Park, so yeah now. What did they do in Jurassic Park? They found ancient. Ancient deposits of amber were fossilized tree sap in which dinosaur era mosquitoes had been trapped to win. The South was still soft in the sap hardened over time, and then fossilized on the ground presumably, the Mosquitos in the sap, were trapped with their bellies, full of dinosaur blood that they just feasted on, and so the scientists in the book in the movie Jurassic Park they extract the preserve dinosaur blood, they they sequence it out. They get Mr DNA from the from the insect bellies, and then they used that blood and DNA sequenced from it to clone dinosaurs was of course I I would say very ingenious plot device, but unfortunately looks like it probably would not work in reality. What if what if the reason it didn't work, though was that it turns out. The mosquitoes had not consumed the blood of dinosaurs, but he consume the blood of the time travelers from ray, Bradbury sound of thunder. Man! What what were the chances that would be very good closed time travel loop. What do what do you like better, the time travel movies where you go back and actually changed the past or the ones where you go back, and it proves to be a closed loop where you just 'cause. Whatever president already happened. Oh well. You have to go back and forth between the two. You know I feel like that's the only way it really works, you know. It's like it's an hour in the the sweet with your time travel, but let's bring things back to dress park. Why didn't it work? Okay? So basically? There are several reasons, but they all come down to time now. One of the reasons is not in fact that you couldn't discover a mosquito with prehistoric blood and guts that but believe it or not. paleontologists actually have discovered preserved insects. Insects full of the remains of N- not intact, but the remains of prehistoric blood in fossil beds, and this is the slight tangent, but I didn't already know this and I was amazed by what I was reading here, so there's one prominent example I could find I. Don't know if this is still the only major example known today but it was described in a research article published in. S in two thousand, thirteen called Hemoglobin derived poor. Feron's preserved in a middle Eocene blood, engorged mosquito and it was by daily. Green Wall to Yulia Brava Sandra M Celia strum Tim rose and Ralph E. And the discovery was also written up by Ed Yong in a short news item for the journal Nature on October. Fourteenth twenty thirteen so the researchers here were examining a total of thirty six mosquito specimens from US shale deposit, known as the Coal Creek member of the kitchen and formation in northwestern Montana, and the layer from which they were recovered is estimated to be about forty six million years old so this. This collection of fossilized mosquitoes included two previously unknown species of the genus coolest Seda. One was cooling kitchen and one was cool. lameness gotTA but one of the mosquitoes from this bone yard was truly special and you can look up images if you want on the Internet in the words of the researchers, the image of this specimen was quote, obviously that of a female blood engorged mosquito with non. Antennae and a very dark, red, black distended abdomen, compared with the Non Humana. fakeness male so there's a new word for your vampire fiction. By the way matter, famous means eats blood drips blood non-automatic Vegas would mean does not drink blood like the male mosquitoes. The male mosquito doesn't drink blood. Obviously, if your gut is busting with blood like this this female mosquito here you are matter ficus but but ed young writes in summary that prior to this discovery, paleontologists had found fossils of blood sucking insects, but we always had to guess what these insects were feeding on through kind of. Of indirect cues like preserved evidence of blood borne parasites contained in their digestive systems. This fossil find was totally different, because it contained direct molecular evidence of blood feeding within the insects, Gut specifically lots of iron in organic compounds called poor fear ends which are constituents of hemoglobin, the protein responsible for transporting oxygen in blood and the find was also extremely unlikely in the words of the lead author Dale Greenwald quote the abdomen of a blood engorged mosquito is like a balloon ready to burst. It is very fragile. The chances that it wouldn't have disintegrated prior to fossils. Ation were infinitessimal e small. And it's amazing, because that's on top of the already miniscule chances of any animal being fossilized in the first place, I mean remember the the fossil lottery has few winners. Almost all organisms that ever live just decomposed disappear without leaving a trace as right, but unfortunately there are a couple of reasons you cannot use this mosquito mosquito like it to extract Dino Dna..

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

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05:40 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Humans arrive somewhere. mega-fauna is hunted into extinction. We see that with the mammoths we see that with cave bears giant kangaroos, etc, Oh yeah, I mean it seems like a ubiquitous picture of of human development and geographical spread like is absolutely nothing unique about whatever individual culture reached this megaphone i. Now I think one of the really fascinating questions in all of this is beyond the questions of Europeans figuring out what the Dowry Thought About. The MOA is just a question of how does that impact a people to come to this to come to New Zealand to be essentially become the mallory, and in the process of becoming the Maori you go through this period of Mo- hunting, Mallory, in which you have this this bounty of these these creatures to to to hunt and feed on, and then they're gone. Then you have to diversify and change the way you live like what is the memory of that like in people? I found a fascinating article about this published on the conversation. By Conservation Biologist Priscila Way, University of Waikato Associate Professor Himmy, Wonga and professor of Computational Biology Murray Cox it was published in two thousand eighteen in its title. Dead is the MOA. Aural traditions show that early Maori recognized extinction interesting, so the team of researchers here which includes a conservation biologist linguists of bio, information EST and experts in Maui culture. They stressed that tracing the centuries-old extinctions is difficult, but that through the collaborative analysis of. Ancestral sayings traditional ancestral sayings in Maori culture. They found that early Maori certainly paid attention to the state of flora and fauna in their environment, and that they recognized the extinction of the MOA, but despite knowing roughly win and who regarding the Mo- extinction. We we don't really know a lot about how the Maori felt about and how they process this event, which again would have been a major event in their lives? This was the destruction of an important food source as well as a source of various tools and parts. Some of this remains in the mallory oral traditions specifically in these various ancestral sayings, so the the researchers here they point out. That of these ancestral sayings, the ones that refer to birds, anyway a disproportionate number of them refer to the MOA to their appearance to their into their nature, and their uses to humans right. So what would these things go like in translation well? I'm just GONNA. Share their translation, so they do. They include the original Maori versions in this article so and courage anyone to. It's interesting to check that out like one of them is lost as the MOA was lost. That's of like an expression like dead as a doornail. Yeah, or hidden as the Moa hit, and then here's another one. The people will disappear like the MOA and this. This one's really auditing because they point out that as the Europeans arrived. The Maori compared their plight to that of the MOA. So, here's a quote. Mallory recalled the MOA after Europeans arrived to now we were suffering badly from diseases and deprivation. In the late eighteen hundreds, it was as though the Maori world was being felled along with the forests. There was a very real fear among both now worry and Europeans that our people and culture would also disappear just like the Mola while that is haunting. Yeah, I'm still thinking about these expressions. I was trying to think of a a point of comparison. Of course one is is like gone. The way of the dinosaurs An expression in English though of course, our knowledge of where the dinosaurs went does not come from cultural memory. It comes from like something we learned through science. I guess you could maybe say gone the way of the Dodo. Some people say that that. Yeah, though I guess when people say that they can. They tend not to do it with any accepted role in the in the extinction. You know like I feel like that's one of the aspects here worth pondering. The. Would've have realized that their ancestors played this role in the extinction. Now that's not to say they did it on. Purpose obviously is a is a huge difference between. Say, setting out to cause an extinction and I. Don't you know obviously they wouldn't want to have done that? Because these creatures were a source of of of of vast resources to them, but They were ultimately it was it was not something they were capable of exerting control over. You know I mean like it's really always been a human struggle to figure out to what extent we can exploit. The, natural world without damaging it beyond control, and clearly that is something that is still a major stumbling block to human beings. We still mishandle that same equation on a daily basis all right? We're GONNA. Take one more break, but when we come back, we're going to move beyond the extinction of the MOA and ponder the question well. 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Maori Mallory University of Waikato New Zealand professor of Computational Bio Wonga Professor Himmy Trello Maui
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13:01 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"We're back so what do you need as fresh colonists in a world like New Zealand? Well let's see classic Hierarchy of needs. I'd say I you need you. Need fresh water food and shelter probably right. Oh yeah absolutely. Am I on the right track year? Yes yes but another need that I instantly think of and part of this is probably because I've never been to New Zealand myself. Bodily experience of this but New Zealand can be quite cold. So you know you're you're arriving in a new land and also land where temperatures dipped down a bit more so the Archaic Mallory They were fortunate in. They did bring within the corey dogs. We help solve some of these issues because the creatures had many utilitarian uses they could be eaten. There pelt could be made into clothing and other parts of the body could be used for being bits of clothing and tool use and so forth but beyond that when they started exploring this new world very quickly would have discovered the Mo- the Mo- would be just a gift of resources to these people. Now here's a question that researchers and historians have pondered over the years though. What sort of Moa population did the Archaic Mallory encounter? It's long been widely accepted that the the newly-arrived humans at least played a role in the extinction of the MOA. But there there's been some disagreement in the past over to what extent for example did the Archaic Mallory encounter thriving populations of Moa across much of the islands or did they encounter dwindling populations of Moa that were restricted to certain areas. Or did they find? Moa populations that were already in severe decline in of course depending on the answer it paints a different picture of the extent of meow Ari Mo hunting and the impact of their arrival. The some could argue that well perhaps climate change directions and disease had already impacted MOA populations in humans. Were just the final Straw. Okay so the certainly went extinct over the next century or so. You know there are no more hiding in the wilds of New Zealand's sadly no matter what anybody might try and tell you. And it wasn't until the nineteenth century that Europeans discovered evidence of the great birds consisting of charred skeletons gizzard stones and eggshells. There's certainly told the tale of their demise. Dna evidence however does shine light on the question of Pre Maori. Moa Populations as Rachel Newer wrote in The New York. Times back in two thousand fourteen quote Morton Eric Allen researcher. The University of Copenhagen and colleagues analyzed DNA from two hundred and eighty-one mowers collected from museums and new excavations an estimated. The age of these specimens using radiocarbon dating. They found that. In the millenniums before humans arrived in New Zealand the MOA displayed none of the genetic bottle necking indicative of the declining population. Okay so there's no genetic evidence of a decline in the MOA during the five thousand years prior to their rapid extinction via the human arrival. Okay so what does that. Tell us what that leaves us with this version of the story the archaic arrived on the shores of a new land where strange often gigantic birds were roaming around and through the use of spears and snares in hunting dogs and human. Cloning they were able to bring the birds down and process their kills with the same sort of deficiency. We see you know with the dogs. It's also possible that the the MOA had no natural fear of humans as well which would have just made it even more susceptible to this kind of harvesting will. Yeah I'd imagine that's possible especially without Without Large Malian predators on the island of New Zealand like Their only real Predator would have been the the Haas Eagle right which they're adapted to a landscape in which the only thing to worry about comes down you from above Who knows what they would have done. If like a bipedal hominid walks up to them in a group yeah exactly and plus their extinction didn't just come via the hunting of grown adult. Noah's because they're they're large. Eggs were certainly sought after foods as well. We see that from some of the you know the evidence of the finding eggshells and You know evidence of the eggs having been consumed and since the MOA produced just one or two eggs. The harvesting of their eggs would have further spelled doom for the nine species of. Moa for example. The I believe this is Cockere egg the largest. Moa Egg ever uncovered would have weighed nine pounds when fresh. Wow to put that. In Perspective on ostrich egg typically weighs one point four kilograms or three point one pounds which is more than twenty times the weight of a chicken egg. So we're talking about Two people in a variety on these islands struggling for existence like that's huge bounty of resources in that egg. Do you ever see anybody? Eat An ostrich egg. I feel like I have before the past but I haven't. It's not the kind of thing I've seen. Menu recently did not come highly recommended to me. apparently in addition to being very large. It's got A. It's got a tough Shell. I guess as you might. You can't just have like an eggshell thickness like a chicken egg. Shell thickness shell a little bit difficult to get into. But then once you do get into it. A tremendous nutritional resources. Yeah I mean that that. That's a one agom lit for you. Yeah so basically. The situation is the Maori ended up hunting and harvesting the MOA faster than the Moa could reproduce and as the bounty of Moa flesh and bone dwindled the Mo- hunting Maori diversified and came to depend on fishing fouling in the gathering of mollusks etc. And this led to the establishment of more permanent and semipermanent settlements. So then it looks like it really was us. It was people that drove the MO- extinct. Oh yes I I. I think this point especially with the genetic evidence. That's that's without question now is reported in. Why did New Zealand's MOS go extinct? By Virginia Morrell Morton Allenton to mentioned earlier evolutionary. Biologists at the University of Copenhagen remarked in two thousand fourteen. The idea may run counter to some ideas that we tend to have about indigenous people. We often think of them living in equilibrium with nature. But the Mallory in ended up killing and eating the MOA At every stage of the creatures life so Allen Toft contends that this sort of harmony with nature that we sometimes envision ultimately rarely exist within human beings in any arriving humans would have extinguished the Moa the same way and certainly. We see other such extinctions including the extinctions of large flightless birds due to the arrival of humans so again don't think less of the Maori for extinction of the MOA. These great birds were always on a collision course with humans and if by some miracle the Polynesians had never found New Zealand the Europeans would have a radical the MOA on their own so again. It's an old story. Humans arrive somewhere. Mega-fauna is hunted into extinction. We see that with the mammoths. We see that with cave bears giant Kangaroos etc. Oh Yeah I mean. It seems like a ubiquitous picture of of human development and geographical spread like is absolutely nothing unique about whatever individual culture reached. This megaphone. I now I think one of the really fascinating questions. In all of this is beyond the questions of Europeans figuring out what the Dowry Thought About. The MOA is just a question of how does that impact a people to come to this to come to New Zealand to be essentially become the mallory and in the process of becoming the Maori. You go through this period of Mo- hunting mallory in which you have this this bounty of these these creatures to to to hunt and feed on and then they're gone then you have to diversify and change the way you live like what is the memory of that like in people I found a fascinating article about this published on the conversation by Conservation Biologist Priscilla Way University of Waikato Associate Professor Himmy. Wonga and professor of Computational Biology Murray Cox it was published in two thousand eighteen in its title dead is the MOA or oral traditions. Show that early. Maori recognized extinction interesting so the team of researchers here which includes a conservation biologist linguists of Bio Information. Est and experts in Maui culture. They stressed that. Tracing the centuries-old extinctions is difficult but that through the collaborative analysis of ancestral sayings traditional ancestral sayings in Maori culture. They found that early. Maori certainly paid attention to the state of flora and fauna in their environment and that they recognized the extinction of the MOA but despite knowing roughly win and who regarding the Mo- extinction we. We don't really know a lot. About how the Maori felt about and how they process this event which again would have been a major event in their lives. This was the destruction of an important food source as well as a source of various tools and parts. Some of this remains in the mallory oral traditions specifically in these various ancestral sayings. So the The researchers here they point out that of these ancestral sayings the ones that refer to birds anyway a disproportionate number of them refer to the MOA to their appearance to their into their nature and their uses to humans right. So what would these things go like in translation? Well I'm just going to share their translation. So they do. They include the original Maori versions in this article. So courage anyone to it's interesting to check that out like one of them is lost as the MOA was lost. That's kind of like an expression. Like dead as a doornail excel or hidden as the MOA hit. And then here's another one. The people will disappear like the MOA and this. This one's really auditing. Because they point out that as the Europeans arrived the Maori compared their plight to that of the MOA. So here's a quote. Mallory recalled the MOA after Europeans. Arrived to now worry. Were suffering badly from diseases and deprivation in the late eighteen hundreds it was as though the Maori world was being felled. Along with the forests there was a very real fear among both Maori and Europeans that our people and culture would also disappear just like the. Mola wow that is haunting. Yeah I'm still thinking about these expressions. I was trying to think of a a point of comparison. Of course one is is like gone. The way of the dinosaurs An expression in English though of course our knowledge of where the dinosaurs went does not come from cultural memory. It comes from like something we learned through science I guess you could maybe say gone the way of the Dodo. Some people say that that. Yeah though I guess when people say that they can they tend not to do it with any accepted role in the in the extinction? You know like I feel like that's one of the aspects here worth pondering. The Mallory would've have realized that their ancestors played this role in the extinction. Now that's not to say they did it on purpose. Obviously is a is a huge difference between say setting out to cause an extinction and I. Don't you know? Obviously they wouldn't want to have done that. Because these creatures were a source of of of of vast resources to them but they were ultimately it was it was not something they were capable of. Exerting control over you know I mean Like it's really always been a human struggle to figure out to what extent we can exploit the natural world without damaging it beyond control and clearly. That is something that is still a major Stumbling Block to human beings we still mishandle that same equation on a daily basis. All right. We're GONNA take one more break. But when we come back we're going to move beyond the extinction of the MOA and ponder the question. Well could we bring the MOJO BACK? Working remotely can be a challenge especially for teams. That are new to it. How do you deal with your work? Environment being the same as home while staying connected and productive and then there's your newest co worker the cat well your friends at Trello have been powering remote teams globally for almost a decade at a time when teams must come together more than ever to solve big challenges..

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

07:31 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Back. So what do you need fresh colonists in a world like New Zealand? Well. Let's see classic hierarchy of needs. I'd say I you. Need you need fresh water, food and shelter probably right Oh. Yeah, absolutely am I on the right track year. Yes, yes, but another need that. I instantly think of and part of this is probably because I've never been to New Zealand myself. The bodily experience of this but New Zealand can be quite cold. So you know you're. You're arriving in a new land and also land where temperatures dipped down a bit more. So the archaic. Mallory they were fortunate in. They did bring within the corey dogs. We help solve some of these issues. Because the creatures had many utilitarian uses, they could be eaten there pelt into clothing, and other parts of the body could be used for be bits of clothing and tool use, and so forth, but beyond that when they started exploring this new world very quickly would have discovered the Mo-. The MOA would be just a gift of resources to these people. Now here's a question that researchers and historians have pondered over the years. Though what sort of Moa population did the Archaic Mallory encounter? It's long been widely accepted that you know. The the newly-arrived humans at least played a role in the extinction of the MOA. But there there's been some disagreement in the past over to what extent for example did the Archaic Mallory encounter, thriving populations of Moa across much of the islands or did they encounter dwindling populations of Moa that were restricted to certain areas or did they find Moa populations that were already in severe decline. In of course depending on the answer, it paints a different picture of the extent of me, owlry Mo- hunting and the impact of their arrival. The some could argue that well perhaps climate change directions and disease had already impacted Moa populations in humans were just the final Straw okay, so the certainly went extinct over the next century, or so there are no more hiding in the wilds of New Zealand's sadly no matter what anybody might try and tell you and it wasn't until the nineteenth century that Europeans discovered evidence of the great birds, consisting of charred skeletons gizzard stones in eggshells. There's certainly told the tale of their demise DNA. DNA evidence however does shine light on the question of pre Maori Moa populations as Rachel newer wrote in The New York Times back in two thousand fourteen quote Morton Eric Allen researcher. The the University of Copenhagen and colleagues analyzed DNA from two hundred and eighty one dollars collected from museums and new excavations, an estimated the age of the specimens using radiocarbon dating. They found that in the millenniums before humans arrived in New Zealand the MOA displayed none of the genetic bottle necking indicative of the declining population. Okay, so there's no genetic evidence of of a decline in the MOA during the five thousand years prior to their rapid extinction. Via the human arrival. Okay, so what does that tell us what that leaves us with this version of the story, the archaic arrived on the shores of a new land, where strange often gigantic birds were roaming around, and through the use of spears and snares in hunting, dogs and human cloning, they were able to bring the birds down and process their kills with the same sort of deficiency. We see you know with the dogs. It's also possible that the the MOA had no natural fear of humans as well which would have just made it even more susceptible to this kind of harvesting will yeah. I'd imagine that's possible, especially without without large. Malian predators on the island of New Zealand like Their only real Predator would have been the the Haas. Eagle right which the they're adapted to a landscape in which the only. Only thing to worry about comes down you from above who knows what they would have done. If like a you know. A bipedal hominid walks up to them in a group. Yeah, exactly and plus their extinction didn't just come via the hunting of grown adult Noah's because they're they're large. Eggs were certainly sought after foods as well. We see that from some of the you know the evidence of. The finding eggshells and you know evidence of the eggs having been consumed, and since the MOA produced just one or two eggs, the harvesting of their eggs would have further spelled doom for the nine species of Moa. For example, the I believe this is a cockere egg. The largest MOA egg ever uncovered would have weighed nine pounds when fresh wow to put that in perspective on ostrich egg. Typically weighs one point, four kilograms or three point one pounds, which is more than twenty times the weight of a chicken egg, so we're talking about two people. Arrived on these islands, struggling for existence like that's huge bounty of resources in that egg. Do you ever see anybody. Eat An ostrich egg. I feel like I. have before. Past. But I haven't. It's not the kind of thing I've seen menu recently did not come highly recommended to me, Apparently in addition to being very large. It's got a it's got a tough Shell I. Guess as you might imagine, you can't just have like an eggshell thickness like a chicken egg shell thickness shell. A little bit difficult to get into. But then once you do get into it a tremendous nutritional resources. Yeah, I mean that that that's a one. AGOM lit for you. Yeah, so basically the situation is the Maori ended up hunting and harvesting the MOA faster than the Moa could reproduce, and as the bounty of Moa flesh and bone dwindled the Mo- hunting Maori diversified and came to depend on fishing fouling. In the gathering of mollusks, etc, and this led to the establishment of more permanent and semipermanent settlements. So then it looks like it really was us. It was people that drove the MO- extinct Oh. Yes, I I. I think this point especially with the genetic evidence. That's that's without question. Now is reported in. Why did New Zealand's Mos? Go extinct by Virginia Morrell Morton Allenton to mentioned earlier evolutionary biologists at the University of Kobe, Nagin remarked in two thousand fourteen. The idea may run counter to some ideas that we tend to have about indigenous people. We often think of them. Living in equilibrium with nature, but the Mallory in ended up killing, and eating the MOA at every stage of the creatures life so Allen Toft contends that this sort of harmony with nature that we sometimes envision ultimately rarely exist within human beings in any arriving humans would have extinguished the MOA the same way, and certainly we see other such extinctions. Including the extinctions of large flightless birds due to the arrival of humans so again. Don't think less of the Mallory for extinction of the MOA. The these great birds were always on a collision course with humans, and if by some miracle, the Polynesians had never found New Zealand the Europeans would have a radical the MOA on their own so again it's an old story. Humans arrive somewhere. mega-fauna is hunted into extinction. We see that with the mammoths we see that with cave bears giant kangaroos, etc, Oh yeah, I mean.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

02:08 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"So yeah I I just I just really wanNA drive home like the skilled nature of these homo sapiens. That arrived and what's more they brought with them both human cloning and human tool use they were masters of the club and the spear especially they also brought with them other animals including a breed of domesticated. Polynesian dog known is the curry which as with other Polynesian dogs did not bark but apparently howled they also brought with them quite by accident the key to the Polynesian Rat. Now the curious still a pest species in New Zealand because as we know once rats become established anywhere. They're very difficult to To get rid off. The curry dog on the other hand has been extinct since the arrival of Europeans. And we'll talk more about that species in a minute and they also brought with them plants as well such as the sweet potato will wade. Is there anything that the sweet potato could be involved in driving the MO- extinct or prion all right? I have not read anything to suggest that but but I mean that kind of that sort of thing is certainly possible right generally speaking when you have humans from a distant land show up and introduce into the ecosystem not only their destructive selves but also invasive organisms. There's you know you're just really upending. The crock pot. You're really changing the chemistry of the whole ecosystem around potentially. Oh yeah well actually. Now that I think about it. I could totally see how I'm not saying. This is the case here but I could totally see how something like sweet potato could drive a native species extinct because humans come they bring with them their crop staples in order to plant those crops. They have to To establish agricultural zones destroy natural ecosystems. Yeah I could see it again. Not Saying we know that happened here right all right on that note. Let's take a quick break when we come back. We will continue to discuss the collision between Homo Sapiens and the MOA. Technology is becoming more open data more accessible and the world more innovative. Ibm is combining their industry expertise with the open source leadership.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

03:24 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"The evidence seems to indicate they would have been dangerous creatures, because these were big animals, even the little Bush. Moa was four and a half feet tall. Now that's smaller than adult. Adult Southern Cassowaries, which is generally five to six feet, taller, one and a half to one point eight meters, but you see one. You would not mess with it right. Yeah, they're fierce. Creatures so it seems like the larger species of Moa especially with certainly be in a position to put the hurt on an aggressor and do so in a way. It's in keeping with what we see in extent. Ratatouille species. But does that mean they were a match for the humans that arrived on their shores, no, because the archaic now where a very skilled in advance people. They arrived in waves from Holly Iki. This is a mythical land that is usually identified as Tahiti by historians, and they were of core skilled sailors that arrived on wooden vessels, capable of traversing great distances at sea, for instance the distance between. Between the HEDY and New Zealand is two thousand, nine, hundred and fifty miles or four thousand, seven hundred forty seven kilometers. Mean that's a long way to go, even if you know exactly where you're going, but here we're talking about like the settlement of new previously unknown island. Right so yeah, I I just I just really WANNA. Drive home like the skilled nature of these homo sapiens that arrived. And what's more? They brought with them both human cloning and human tool use. They were masters of the club and the spear especially. They also brought with them. Other animals, including a breed of domesticated Polynesian dog known is the curry, which as with other Polynesian dogs did not bark, but apparently howled. They also brought with them quite by accident. The key Ori the Polynesian rat. Now, the curious, still a pest species in New Zealand. Because as we know, once, rats become established anywhere. They're very difficult to to get rid off. The curry dog on the other hand has been extinct since the arrival of Europeans and we'll talk more about that species in a minute, and they also brought with them. Plants as well such as sweet potato will wade. Is there anything that the sweet potato could be involved in driving the Mo-? Extinct or prion I have not read anything. Suggest that, but but I mean that kind of that sort of thing is certainly possible. Right generally speaking when you have humans from a distant land show up and introduce into the ecosystem not. Not only their destructive selves, but also invasive organisms. There's you know you're just really upending the CROCK pot. You're really changing the chemistry of the whole ecosystem around potentially Oh. Yeah, well, actually now that I think about it. I could totally see how I'm not saying this is the case here, but I could totally see how something like sweet potato could drive. A native species extinct because humans come they bring with them. Their crop staples in order to plant those crops. They have to to establish agricultural zones the destroy natural ecosystems. Yeah, I could see it again. Not Saying we know that happened here right all right on that note, let's take a quick break. When we come back. We will continue to discuss the collision between Homo Sapiens. SAPIENS and the MOA technology is becoming more open data, more accessible and the world more innovative IBM is combining their industry.

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

15:43 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Hi everybody it's seth the producer of stuff to blow your mind. I'm here in March. Twenty twenty two just to pop out a quick note into this episode saying. Hey It's march twenty twenty and you know what that means. We're all recording from our own homes. all separate and all social distancing so that means the sound quality of this one is a little strange but just to let you know Each time we've been doing these home recordings. They've been getting better and better and better. So I can guarantee you. That next one's going to send a little better than this and the next one after that's going to send a little bit better than that one etcetera etcetera so Just you know this is temporary and we'll get back to our regular episodes as soon as we can sound. Quality was thank you very much and enjoy the show. Welcome to blow your mind. Production of heart radio. Hey welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My Name Is Robert. Lamb and Joe McCormick and we're back. We're still social distancing. Now there must have been a weird back and forth here because Thursday of last week's episode. We were broadcasting from our closet in our laundry room. Right but Tuesday of this week's episode. I think that was recorded in the studio before we came home for the Great retreat that's right. I also we record our vault episode intros about a month out so people might have noticed that as well but this episode part two of our look at the MOA twilight of the MOA were calling it. This episode is recorded from our respective closets in our homes. You're actually in a closet now as opposed to your Your laundry room is that correct. That's true I decided to become a monster in the closet and I've got I've got the same talismans That I had last time in order to bring me good luck and watch over me while making this recording. I've got Tom Atkins from night. The creeps. I've got my door Christ. But this time I also brought in an extremely tasteful novelty mug that my wife found in East Tennessee. Thrift store Which is great because I bring this Mug to the office. I'm sure get in trouble for that. The Home Office brings with it. Certain advantages doesn't it for me. I looked around the house. I would have loved to have had a toy of MOA like a little plastic slack but sadly we do not have one and it would be irresponsible for me to even try and mail order one at the moment so you have a plastic Shrek. No I have. I do have a plastic terror bird so it's not one hundred percent accurate is. It is still an extinct flightless bird so I'm going to set it right here next to my microphone and it will it will serve as my mascot. Well Mayor pocket-sized Idols Watch over US So so where we leave off last time all right so in our last episode. And if you didn't listen to it do go back and listen to that episode before this one in it. We discussed the evolution of flightless birds. In the rise of the MOA. Nine species of large flightless birds that evolved as the dominant vertebrates on the isolated islands of what is currently known as new but the rule of the MOA did not last forever because Homo sapiens arrived in this episode will deal with the subsequent extinction of the MOA. 'cause you know what they say more humans. Moa Problems. I wondered how you were going to work that in saying. Hey had to eventually. Yeah yeah that's true for. I'd say every organism except US right except maybe less. Hatha jains that the prey upon us right and certainly when we're dealing with with NEGGA fauna creatures of that nature. There's this is a tale of doom whenever humans enter the equation and we'll we'll point out some other examples of that as we move along. No wait a minute. I'm thinking of some more exceptions. We got rats to I mean. Rats are great for them. Rats will come up. Yeah so your few exceptions there. But you don't WanNa be Amoah when humans show up right. So the rule of the MOA was lengthy they evolved into into these dominant positions in New Zealand But as we discussed on the show before it can be precarious at the top certainly apex predators but also for massive dominant force especially when something changes. Oh Yeah we also talked about this In our episode I believe it was on The Livia -ton or the LEVIATHAN GENUS. Of like the the ancient predatory sperm whale. That's right yes where it's easy to look at a creature like that or creature hostels eagle which we discussed in the last episode to look at these creatures and think that there's no taking that down. That's that's that's a dominant organism. But it is. It is the ruler but it is it is thrown rest upon a precarious pyramid of bones. Heavy lies the crown exactly. So yeah when something changes it can topple everything over and in the thirteenth century. See I seen twelve. Abc is a potential date. A major change arrived on the shores of New Zealand and that change came in the form of Homo Sapiens. The long world changing wave of human migration had finally made its way to near the bottom of the world to this nation of the birds. And this would have been. What would come to be known as the Mallory? These were these settlers were a polynesian people who arrived in several waves. In what is now New Zealand? This is one of the later regions of planet earth to be settled by humans. Absolutely these were some of the last true pioneers heading into parts of the world not not only parts of the world that they had not been to before. But we're no human had gone before European colonists and explorers would only come in the wake of these true pioneers now. Polynesian culture itself is is endlessly fascinating and I'd love to come back and deal with some of the related topics on the show Such as their amazing navigational abilities or the use of aquaculture in in the islands of but essentially we're talking about a long curving leg of human expansion that extends from China through the Philippines. New Guinea the Solomon Islands. Samoa Tahiti Hawaii Easter Island and other islands in his broad stretch of the ocean. The pile again. They were the were the last true pioneers of human expansion in Polynesian expansion. Took place over the course of thousands of years as well in the culture evolved along the way it takes ends up taking on different forms in the locations where they land often due to resulting isolation because these are in many cases very far flung islands in and sometimes we're talking about you know centuries and centuries between people making it to one island versus another so New Zealand was discovered and colonized very late in human expansion and win the Archaic Mallory arrived. They encountered the MOA following. This encounter the nine species of MOA would scarcely last more than another century and they were extinct by fourteen forty five. So let's get into what we're mainly going to discuss in this episode of this this collision between Homo sapiens and Moa and probably the best place to start. There is by talking about just the word Moa. Where does it come from? I was reading in prodigious birds MOAS and MOA hunting in New Zealand by Athol Anderson and the author shares that the earliest recorded use of the word Noah comes via Cornish Missionary William Kalinda who in eighteen thirty eight heard that some Maori described the MOA as a large bird others as large bird with a face like that of a man who lived in a mountain cavern news guarded by two giant lizards. Wow this and other tales describe the residents of Mount Taranaki or Mount Egg. Matz described the the various strange residents that live there often taking the form of abnormal birds or lizard sometimes with human qualities. And this really lines up with what we've talked about on the show before about sacred mountains and Holy Mountains and the various myths that people accumulate regarding the sorts of things. You would find there in the sorts of creatures that could populate those those mysterious cliffs up there. Yeah there are a couple of ways of looking at that in our episode on the Sacred Mountains. I guess we did two of those episodes. I mean one thing is. We talked about the idea that if you get really really high up there. There's some evidence that people sometimes start you know experiencing psychosis. Yeah so like that could be a source of some supernatural beliefs in some cases but But I'd say probably. The more prevalent issue is just that the top of the mountain is inaccessible. So it is naturally a place to put your mythical creatures at home in you know that. That is where they hide. Absolutely now I know it. S Some people are probably wondering here is eighteen thirty eight. That sounds kind of late for the earliest recorded. Use of the word Moa. Yes oh how long would the species have been extinct before? The word appears in writing. Yeah Yeah it's It seems a little confusing at first right because I contact between Europeans in Maori occurred December. Eighteen to sixteen forty two with Abel Tasman Dutch east India Company Expedition. Now specifically Europeans had been asking the meow worry about other giant creatures recorded inner traditions since the seventeen seventies in the near two centuries after there were certainly communication and exchange between Europeans and Mallory in addition to of course colonial subjugation. A Andersen discusses this in his book and in points out that earlier references to the MOA might either have not been recognized or not associated with the term Moa itself so descriptions of the animal might not have been immediately tied with. Moa for instance. There were accounts of spirits covered in hair in the form of birds and there was talk of how a giant key we lived in the mountains will again remind everyone that the Kiwi the Mo are not all that related but this this sort of a discovery would have stemmed from Earth from General European interest in the extent Kiwi. So they might have been asking about the Kiwi and they would've been heard about myths of of giant birds that are on in some way like Kiwi. That is interesting. The idea that That the concept could persist over time. Especially if you have like something that's morphological very similar but just much smaller to refer to right. Yeah and in all of this again. We're we're we're discussing European knowledge all of the MOA which is ultimately tied to European knowledge and understanding of the Maori. Which of course is is a strange relationship to say the least because again you're talking about the the indigenous people the Maori and you're talking about the colonial power that then arrives on their shore in the form of the Europeans Anderson. Also points out that a major factor might be that meow Ari conceptualize the MOA as not being true birds but just being is being bird like which might sound a little confusing. I think back to just some of the weird things about the MOA. The the the the fact that they had no wings not even vestigial wings to limit organisms. You could see why it might defy easy categorization. Likewise they're just the size of the larger species will sure I mean when we use the term bird? Now I think like you and I are going to be referring to an evolutionary played That is defined by evolutionary relationships. But if you're just categorizing animals that you see in the world what are the basis on which you form your categories like a bird might well be understood as something that flies so if there's something that this kind of like a bird in that it has a beak and all that but it doesn't fly it doesn't meet your necessary criteria for what makes something up our yard exactly. Yeah and so. The bones of the MOA were apparently not described by the Maori as bird bones but they were described as MOA bones. So here's A. Here's a quote from from Anderson on all of this quote. It is very difficult to document this point. But the separation of dangerous mythological Moa from large birds used as food and easily hunted to extinction in politics description and the lack of any comparable prosaic tradition about moas in most of the MOA stories collected by missionaries seem. Suggestive certainly. It was the very lack of an unequivocal association between the term MOA in any straightforward account of large birds hunted and eaten by Maoris which formed the main flaw exploited throughout the long debate. About what if anything nowadays had known about the dinner reforms? Oh in the dinner. If the forms that refers to the group to which the MOA belong right yes. So we'll we'll ponder this dangerous versus easy to drive to extinction. Question is we perceived. Because I'm not entirely convinced this species can't be both of these things you know. Certainly when humans humans in question half tools tactics and invasive species on their side Oh sure I mean some of the most dangerous creatures in one on one context are also some of the easiest to drive extinct. I mean if you just wanted to drive an animal extinct what would be like the easiest ones to do probably like large carnivores because there's already so few of them of course the MOA. We're not carnivores like this. Be Of course like large animals. Generally being fewer in number because of their energy requirements within the environment would seem to be easier to drive to extinction than if you were trying to exterminate something. That's very easy to kill rats. Yeah and again I think they. The evidence seems to indicate they would have been dangerous creatures because these were big animals even the little Bush Moa was four and a half feet tall. Now that's smaller than adult southern cassowaries which is generally five to six feet taller one and a half to one point eight meters. But you see one. You would not mess with it right. Yeah they're they're fierce creatures so it seems like the larger species of Moa especially with certainly be in a position to put the hurt on an aggressor and do so in a way. It's in keeping with what we see in extent ratified species but does that mean they were a match for the humans that arrived on their shores. No because the archaic now where a very skilled in advance people they arrived in waves from Holly Iki. This is a mythical land that is usually identified as Tahiti by historians and they were of core skilled sailors that arrived on wooden vessels capable of traversing great distances. At Sea for instance the distance between eighty and New Zealand is two thousand nine hundred fifty miles or four thousand seven hundred forty seven kilometers mean. That's a long way to go even if you know exactly where you're going but here we're talking about like the settlement of new previously unknown island right..

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"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

07:34 min | 2 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind

"Hi everybody it's seth, the producer of stuff to blow your mind I'm here in March twenty, twenty two just to pop out a quick note into this episode saying Hey. It's March twenty twenty and you know what that means. We're all recording from our own homes all separate and all social distancing, so that means the sound quality of this one is a little strange, but just to let you know each time we've been. been doing these home recordings, they've been getting better and better and better, so I can guarantee you that next one's going to send a little better than this and the next one after that's going to send a little bit better than that one etcetera etcetera so just you know this is temporary and we'll get back to our regular episodes as soon as we can. Sound quality was. Thank you very much and enjoy the show. Welcome to blow your mind production of heart radio. Hey welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and Joe McCormick and we're back. We're still social distancing now there must have been a weird back and forth here because Thursday of last week's episode, we were broadcasting from closet in our laundry room right but. Tuesday of this week's episode I think that was recorded in the studio before we came home for the great retreat. That's right. I, also we record our vault episode intros about a month out, so people might have. Noticed that as well, but this episode part two of our look at the MOA twilight of the MOA were calling it. This episode is recorded from our respective closets in our homes. You're actually in a closet now. As opposed to your your laundry room. Is that correct? That's true I decided to become a monster in the closet, and I've got I've got the same talismans that I had last time in order to. Bring me. Good luck and watch over me while making this recording. I've got Tom Atkins from night. The creeps I've got my door, Christ, but this time I also brought in an extremely tasteful novelty mug that my wife found in East Tennessee thrift store which is great because I bring this Mug to the office I'm sure get in trouble for that. The Home Office brings with it certain advantages, doesn't it? For me, I looked around the house. I would have loved to have had a toy of MOA like a little plastic. But sadly we do not have one, and it would be irresponsible for me to even try and mail order one at the moment, so you have a plastic. Shrek! I do have a plastic terror bird, so it's not one hundred percent accurate is. It is still an extinct flightless bird. So I'm going to set it right here next to my microphone and it will, it will serve as my mascot well. Mayor pocket-sized Idols Watch over us so so where we leave off last time all right so in our last episode, and if you didn't listen to it, do go back and listen to that episode before this one in it. We discussed the evolution of flightless birds in the rise of the MOA nine species of large flightless birds that evolved as the dominant vertebrates on the isolated islands of what is currently known as new. But the rule of the MOA did not last forever because Homo sapiens arrived in this episode will deal with the subsequent extinction of the Moa 'cause you know what they say more humans. Moa Problems. I wondered how you were going to work that in saying, hey had to eventually yeah. Yeah, that's true for I'd say every organism except us right except maybe less Hatha. Jains that the prey upon us right and certainly when we're dealing with with NEGGA fauna. Creatures of that nature. There's this is a tale of doom. Whenever humans enter the equation and we'll, we'll point out some other examples of that as we move along. No wait a minute I'm thinking of some more exceptions. We got rats to I. Mean Rats are great for them? Rats will come up. Yeah, so your few exceptions there, but you don't WanNa. Be Amoah when humans show up right so the rule of the MOA was lengthy, they evolved into into these dominant positions in new. Zealand but as we discussed on the show before it can be precarious at the top certainly apex predators, but also for massive dominant force, especially when something changes Oh yeah, we also talked. Talked about this in our episode, I believe it was on the Livia -ton, or the Leviathan genus of like the the ancient predatory sperm whale. That's right, yes, where it's easy to look at a creature like that or creature hostels Eagle, which we discussed in the last episode. Look at these creatures and think that there's no taking that down. That's that's that's a dominant organism it is. It is the ruler, but it is, it is thrown rest upon a precarious pyramid of bones. Heavy lies the crown exactly so yeah, when something changes, it can topple everything over and in the thirteenth century. See I seen twelve. ABC is a potential date. A major change arrived on the shores of New Zealand, and that change came in the form of Homo Sapiens. The long world changing wave of human migration, had finally made its way to near the bottom of the world to this nation of the birds, and this would have been what would come to be known as the Mallory. These were. These settlers were a polynesian people who arrived in several waves in what is now new. Zealand this is one of the later regions of planet earth to be settled by humans absolutely. These were some of the last. True pioneers heading into parts of the world. Not Not only parts of the world that they had not been to before, but we're no human had gone before. European. Colonists and explorers would only come in the wake of these true pioneers now. Polynesian culture itself is is endlessly fascinating and I love to come back and deal with some of the related topics on the show such as their amazing navigational abilities or the use of aquaculture in in the islands of, but essentially we're talking about a long curving leg of human expansion that extends from China through the Philippines New Guinea the Solomon Islands, Samoa Tahiti. Hawaii Easter Island and other islands in his broad stretch of the ocean, the again they were, the were the last true pioneers of human expansion in Polynesian expansion, took place over the course of thousands of years as well in the culture evolved along the way it takes ends up taking on different forms in the locations where they land often due to resulting isolation. Because these are in many cases very far flung islands in, and sometimes we're talking about you know centuries and centuries between. People making it to one island versus another, so New Zealand was discovered and colonized very late in human expansion. And Win. The Archaic Mallory arrived. They encountered the MOA. Following this encounter, the nine species of MOA would scarcely last more than another century, and they were extinct by fourteen forty five, so let's get into what we're mainly going to discuss this episode. This this collision between Homo sapiens and MOA, and probably the best place to start there is by talking about just the word Moa..

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"twilights" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

11:42 min | 3 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"KFI AM six forty. And welcome back. Our final segment with Mark Zicree. Marc will space. Command qualify for a TV EMMY or a movie Oscar category. I think TV George I would love to have a gorgeous gorgeous statue bribery, one one for the Halloween, the TV movie of that. I've got three regional Emmys for news over my career. And they are so cool. It's great. I love that stuff. Holding little globe. And all that stuff. It's neat. Let's go back to the calls. You ready for some more? We'll go to Mason Texas Stevens with us on coast to coast. Good morning. Stephen good morning. Good to have your with us. More. I have a question. Why did why did twilight zone to hour long episodes on season four, and how did you think about the whole hour long episode, we funny because usually when rod conceive wrestling conceiver twilights initially thought it was going to be in our show. He actually wrote real four pilots twilights before the show got actually picked up and the first three of those were our scripts the plainly decided it would be a half hour. But once he started doing it as a half hour. He realized that was the perfect length for the show, and he was very adamantly against it. Extended to an hour. This is something CBS is doing in that period in the early sixties. They did with gun smoke. They did it with the Hitchcock show. And so they thought that they might be able to a large audience by standing twilights onto an hour. So they took so long citing that the only gave it really I have season the fourth season with eighteen episodes, and they were an hour long twilights really didn't work as well. As our math, Richard Matheson, Charles Beaumont and surly Earl hammer the major writers on twilight zone all had one good hour episode age. But at the end of the season degrees that it needed feel back half dragging at though there's a great hour long episode called on Thursday for home, this starts with more. And rod Serling wrote it, and it's it's great. It's terrific. But then for the fifth season with final season. They went back to our thirties were actually twenty two weren't they? Actually closer to like twenty seven. There were only really fewer commercials back then those days. Now, don't they? Sure do but back then they mostly most was the road. And you know, he he did he have a cigarette when he came out. Yeah. You know, it's like he had a cigarette is all the time. And he was a feel four pack a day smuggle. That's what got him in the long run. I mean, the died of complications from open heart surgery, and you know, he would he really looks older than he was he died at fifty and which is the new thirty our amazing. But the boy he got a lot done in the time. He had. Yeah. He sure daddy. He didn't pleaded more in his time than most people do at ninety. Let's go to Travis in Omaha Nebraska. Hey, I think that's a home. Johnny carson. Isn't it? Travis Travis who was doing. Well. Yes, sir. Yeah. I I had a couple of questions. The Mark, sir. Yeah. I heard you talking about the movies that you're making is is it just one movie or it's gonna be a series series? And in fact, the first hour, I've YouTube channel called Mr. sci-fi anyone can subscribe to and free. And I put the first hour face on my channel actually, watch it. And in fact, we shot a scene with undersell Nichols today. We'll be posting from that. So it's it's a twelve hour season. And we show is going many seasons multiple seasons like at least five years, and so we're just rocking roller. I've been I've been the first eight hours of the twelve hour season and also plea quill. And so I'm by the next twelve hours, and then we'll just we'll just shoot all of it and share with our audience, and it's the new way of doing television, and then our audience, just your finances. They buy shares they've gone kick-starting throw some money our way, and that'll be part of one full of this is because I studio I can do a network quality show from much less money than the network home arg-argue because for instance. That Star Trek discovery is over ten million dollars an episode game of thrones is over fifteen fifteen million dollars an episode is one show. Yes. Yeah. One hour and base. I can do it. So far. I've I've as I mentioned my audience is giving me a million dollars. And with that. I was able to the two hour pilot and forty minutes of the second to our story and we're moving forward. So I mentioned we'll be starting to Kickstarter campaign on Monday. And if anyone wants to buy shares space command, they can Email me, Mark Zicree, female dot com. And I can send them all the information. It's and people around the world buying shares. It's it's a completely new way of doing television. But I really love it. Because I write it I cast it. I stood it. There's no, you know, you know, the the cast one full cast of amazing science fiction actors like let me like Doug Jones, and Robert mccarter Furlan was box. Lightning shell Nichols. If I went to a network and said, can I have this cast? They say no, you'll use an actor was just on some hits on the CW who can't act or whatever that's not the CW. But they get the network at sale you get the capital. You don't. And and I don't want to have that over my head. Then you have another question. Travis. Yeah. I heard him talking about spirituality like they win. And they have the the level of spirituality. Yeah. I think that's the thing to focus on for your project. I'm artists myself. And I I've done a lot of monster type aiding and stuff like that. But I'm really really a fan of scifi so often listen to coast to coast over the years. And you know, I just like hearing Lynn somebody's doing creative processes like this. Yes. And and you know, when when I talked about, spirituality, it's open to whatever someone's personally are. But I think if if claim this is at the heart of that, then you're not gonna go wrong. I think you know, I I I mean Jesus, of course, I'd love one another I believe that and you'll have to be a Christian, you can get Buddhist Jewish like, I am or or or even agnostic or I mean, this is basically what you do. It's the golden rule, and there's a version of the golden rule pretty much in every every faith or and every culture, and it's basically just become the kind of your family kind of keep you up and be kind on the street. You know, someone's trying to get into a parking space. There's a garbage can blocking them over the cross the street and move the garbage cans. It's just putting that into practice your life and small ways, it has with the fact, you know, Robert Davi Mark have. Yes. These were close friends with him. So if you ever need him in any of those episodes, let us know we'll get you in touch with them. Thank you, George. Thank you for that. He's got one of those faces that everybody recognizes. Yes, of course, of course, let's go to Rick truck. Driving a New Hampshire. Welcome to the program. Hi wreck. Go ahead, sir. Oh, thank you for taking my call. Hi, mark. Mark that good conversation tonight. A couple of questions. Please, sir. Yeah. Twilight zone is it got that twirly little thing in white? Yes. Yes. Are you still using that that game and your goose show that all yeah? The new using digital same in that. And those those motifs have whether so I went to their they're gorgeous. Yeah. That's bring. Yeah. Bring a lot of people to catch into the black hole. You know, did you believe aliens? When you first started writing Europe strips if you believe in any space space off creatures of anytime, definitely intelligent life in the universe. And you know, I I don't really go beyond that in in saying, what's what's real what's not into UFO's early of that. But but I think that life probably throughout university. Now, no planets are pretty much every star. And so I think life is going to be throughout the universe. Just like very fertile fields grows all sorts of crops super thank you record. It. I feel like I'm committing a sin. If I watched. New twilight zone episodes. I mean, go that far. But it's definitely. It's not the old show. It's not what's really was able to pull off. I mean, it takes such a lot of great people come together and just the right way to make magic happen. It's what's catches fire. And it's lightning in a bottle. In rod Serling, certainly accomplished that any worse as he works harder to possibly could any he pulls it off. And it's an amazing amazing thing. I just you go back to those original shows, there's just their gills. They're using. Let's go to be Utah marines with us. Hello marie. Go ahead. Are you there actually in? But star the next generation, Marcus you. For that show. Okay. It was never. So that was it and trouble trouble. So yes, of course, it's a class. That's a great up. So that was original Star Trek series. And I was written by David Gerald who actually went to college with my wife. My wife read that script in the first draft. And and I I know David very well in not long ago, and it's a great. That's exactly what was sitting the Nichols house. She start. There was a bowl of triples on. So it's a really fun really really fun episode. Today. But the guy who well, David Gerald, you know, Mark yet. Yep. They're my heroes. These writers are just wonderful. I mean since I wouldn't win search to them, and they became friends and mentors. And you know, they were just just really brilliant writers. What's the reaction? But in Hollywood about the way, you're doing space command. When I meet with never executives and executive Netflix, which I just a few weeks ago what I'm doing. And and it really admire the fact that I can raise money for my audience that got millions of fans around the world, it's significant end and the people quitting series with children network. But I'm creating where I'm gonna create six new series with six major villain. These are people who've done the greatest hits in television. And when I invite them to the board they want to because they want the feed them that offers. They want the freedom that they can write what they wanna right. They can say what they wanna say. They can leave. There's going to be creating where we can reach out to all these wonderful actors that we that we love there's an accident. Barbara Bain who was on mission impossible is based on t ninety nine and a friend of mine knows library, right? A row for both for her. And why not that's Uber. Do a game show I've never done. I wanna redo the what's my line show. Yes. That was such a great show. I love that shows that cool. Yeah. I mean when you look at it, they you had ten times to get it. Right. If you had ten wrong answers, they flip over the cards, and they, you know, tell the person what is occupied was or whatever. And they they were each woman was five dollars when a flipped the card was just on the lead as and they had the sponsor's name across the front of the desk that the four panelists were sitting out. It was it was brought to you by some perspiration company that they had that splattered across there. Right. All time television. It's great. I love too has a lot of those shows where you can go back and watch the old Kenneth scopes from the fifties. And it's just that was just watching Alfred Drake in kiss me Kate, and it was Kenneth scope of of broadcast was done live in the fifties. So it's it's I think YouTube I think of the internet is such an enormously powerful and one full thing it, can it can have negative sides. Of course..

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"twilights" Discussed on The Twilight Zone Podcast

The Twilight Zone Podcast

03:15 min | 3 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on The Twilight Zone Podcast

"Slash Rondo. That's RO NGO. Ana Pavetti simple instructions about what you need to do to vote. For the twilight turn podcast if you do that for me before the twentieth of April, which is the deadline than I would really appreciate that. And I think really nice thing. And like I said a couple of episodes ago if we win I will record a sang-kyu video and Binghamton at a nice spot. Maybe the carrot salad. You know, something like that to say thank you for voting for the twilight to podcast on the sixties unavailability. So hopefully, hopefully, they'll happen brandy. I couldn't have this twilight zone Janney without you being a part of it. You know, you've you've been aspect of so many different parts of the show written stories play in monkeys. Sorry, not say apes have no tails monkeys have tails difference. You know over on aftermath on patriot. So thank you so much for joining me. It wouldn't have been the same without you being here. It's a privilege for me. I would do every episode if I could and I just not something over. So I am I enthusiastically, I not something over people. That's how much fun. It is to do this podcast on. If people have enjoyed your contribution, brandy where can they find you and some of your project? Well, you can find me on Twitter. Brandy win twelve and you can also see me and hear me on live from the edge on the check FM network, which is a live reaction show to the latest episode of Star Trek discovery, they're only two episodes left at the point of this recording. And it is going to be devastating to not be doing that into again until season three, but we do broadcast live on YouTube at nine pm eastern six. PM Pacific on Friday nights. Just go to the trick them channel. You'll find us. And I do that with my good friend, Bruce Gibson and a rotating variety of guests that have just it's just such a joy to do that show. I love it so much, and you can also find beyond the dark corner podcast with my husband, Dave, and we have a great time discussing the things that we are passionate about ninety nine point nine percent of them are nerdy. We do it from a bit of a darker point of view. I will warn people. There may be strong language. Actually. No. There is strong language. Most of it from me. So if you are offended by strong language than maybe wouldn't be your Cup of tea, but you can find that at dark corner podcasts dot com from toss. Always a pleasure. Brandi on the you'll be back again before this jam used on a on a look forward to me too. Okay. Well, that's enough from I I usually mentioned things like new patriot subscribers. That kind of thing I'm a little behind on that because it's just been a bit of a crazy to I light zone. Well, at the moment, if you're new patriot subscriber whole tight beget not so soon, and we'll have to ready to go by the next episode. So that's all from us. And we will see you next time. Bye fennell.

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"twilights" Discussed on WGN Radio

WGN Radio

01:54 min | 3 years ago

"twilights" Discussed on WGN Radio

"But I know what went on relations, by the way, that creates pretty awesome. Well, and Toni preckwinkle in will the fact that we had to black women running in the city of Chicago in my neighborhood to see the numbers was founding. Lori Lightfoot one it was she got seventy four percent of the votes in Jeff in my precinct, which I thought was incredible. But so, but every judge has not just like their station that their manning. But also, the the process, and what's going on and making sure that everything goes smoothly. But I did want to say hi to sit FRANZ Francis. Tara, and Margaret which were who the other judges that I worked with, but we have a lot of fun. I also wanted to mention we were talking about that you should name your next bar hole in the fence. I think that's or some. I'm raising my hand. I have an issue. Listeners decide what they should do the next. We should never next. We'll Roger badesch says that you should cut a hole in the fence fan named bar name restaurant named can be so many ways that's from. Roger badesch who is going to be here on Friday night. If you follow him on Facebook, you know, he's been struggling a little bit the last few days. So we're so happy that he's home. He says it'll be be on Friday. And there's nothing where there's what do you mean? There's nothing worthwhile on TV. I does he not have Netflix. So there's oh my gosh. I'm catching up on all the scifi ever follow it never ever existed. Yeah. Kinda twilight zone. Are you going to watch the new toilets on? I heard the first one to stand up comic. No. It's not just any stand up comic. It's Camille oh on Johnny plays comics. Okay. That's fine. That works. Yeah. I thought it was really cool. Yeah. Well, first of all I need to know how many episodes are original versus remakes from the original series because I have no patience with remakes. But the well anybody makes twilights hall fair. Zone.

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