35 Burst results for "Twenty Years"
79 People Arrested Following Demonstration for Daunte Wright
"Again protesters have gathered on the day when the police officer who shot and killed twenty year old dante right while he was unarmed was arrested and charged with second degree manslaughter. Curfews in neighboring minneapolis and saint. Paul were in place last night at the same hour. But we're lifted tonight last night. Seventy nine people were arrested in brooklyn center. Minnesota from brooklyn center is nbc. News correspondent. ron led us off last night. what is the difference tonight lawrence. It's it just feels a lot more intense. There's a small crowd but they just seem to be a lot of energy there and then the last hours since nightfall we've again seen this exchange of projectiles rocks and bottles going in one direction. Rubber bullets a other devices other products coming from the police as well and and it goes on and on if you take a close look i think we can zoom over there. You can see again that sense over there. Which is the entrance to the police headquarters which again has been the focus of the protesters and the police and national guard. There's a significant national guard presence again there tonight. A troops in camouflage and heavy military like vehicles back there again trying to protect it this place and keep the protesters back oldest. Just comes down to the next hour. What will happen in the next hour. As we approach curfew will be police and national guard decided to push and clear the street out here as they have the past few nights. How long will they let. The protesters continued to go on
Former Minnesota cop charged in shooting of Black motorist
"Hi Mike Rossi reporting a former Minnesota police officer has been charged in the fatal shooting of a black motorist former Brooklyn center Minnesota police officer Kim potter has been charged with second degree manslaughter in the fatal shooting of twenty year old black motorist to Dante right the shooting ignited days of unrest potter in Brooklyn center police chief Tim Gannon both resigned to Tuesday attorney Benjamin Crump who represents rights family reacted to the charge the family of Dante Wright will get to have their day in court the shooting occurred Sunday during a traffic stop is right was pulled over for expired tags and officers ought to make an arrest after discovering he had an outstanding warrant hi Mike Crossey up
Biden to pull US troops from Afghanistan, end 'forever war'
"President Biden has announced plans to pull all remaining U. S. forces out of Afghanistan bite nine eleven's twentieth anniversary the president says the U. S. has achieved its original objectives taking out Osama bin laden in the grading the el Qaeda threat after twenty years he says it makes no sense to stay any longer I concluded that it's time to end America's longest war and the final pull out of twenty five hundred U. S. troops will start next month the GOP responses skating you have not ended the war you have extended that Lindsey Graham saying the president's sensually canceled an insurance policy against another nine eleven moments after the president announced the U. S. pullout NATO said it too will pull all non American forces out Sager mag ani Washington
Former Minnesota Cop Charged in Shooting of Black Motorist
"Minnesota have arrested. Kim potter the former brooklyn center police officer who shot and killed twenty year old dante right on sunday. Npr's martin kasey has more from minneapolis. Minnesota's bureau of criminal apprehension which investigates police shootings says potter will face second degree manslaughter charges. The officer shot the young black man during a struggle with police after a traffic. Stop in her body camera video. She can be heard yelling taser right before. She shoots him with her firearm on monday. Her police chief called the shooting accidental and tragic. The chief later resigned from the department as did potter the case has triggered protests and clashes with riot police in the minneapolis suburb of brooklyn center and has increased fears of wide rest as the trial of former minneapolis officer. Derek chauvin is just days from going to the jury
Biden to pull troops from Afghanistan, end longest US war
"President Biden says he will pull the last U. S. troops out of Afghanistan this year standing in the same spot where George W. bush announce the start of the war in October two thousand one it's time to end the forever war the president announcing all twenty five hundred U. S. troops will be out of Afghanistan by September eleventh the twentieth anniversary of the attacks that sent American forces there ten years after Osama bin laden's death for reasons remained in Afghanistan becoming increasingly unclear even as the terrorist threat there we went to fight involved the president says the U. S. must fight the battles of the next twenty years not the last twenty Sager mag ani Washington
Biden on Afghanistan: 'Time to End America's Longest War'
"President Biden says it is time to end America's longest war U. S. forces went into Afghanistan after nine eleven and excerpts of the speech you'll give this afternoon the president will say the attacks cannot explain why American troops should stay there nearly twenty years later US officials say the president will announce his plan to pull the remaining twenty five hundred forces out by this September eleventh in his words it is time for American troops to come home that will set a firm end to two decades of war that killed more than twenty two hundred U. S. service members the president's decision will keep troops there four months longer than initially planned defying a may first withdrawal deadline under a trump administration peace deal with the Taliban Sager mag ani Washington
What Can You Do With Old Wind Turbine Blades?
"Wind energy is good for the climate. But when a wind turbine reaches the end of its life span. Its blades are hard to recycle wind. Turbine blades are huge and strong. So they're difficult to grind up and reuse and they're made of a mix of glass and plastic fibers that are tough to separate so most end up in landfills is causes the problem filling up the landfill and also causes the problem of placing a non biodegradable material in the landfill which will be sitting there for hundreds if not thousands of years that's lawrence bank of ruined a research group with partners from four universities including the georgia institute of technology. He says this problem is urgent. Turbans have a lifespan of about twenty years. So many older ones will soon need disposal. Rewind is working on ways to upcycle these blades in ireland. They're using large pieces to make a bridge on a pedestrian and bike greenway and at a wind farm in kansas rian plans to try placing old blades vertically in the ground and using them as electrical transmission pulse bank sees big potential in both ideas and he thinks these early projects will help the market. See it to. We hope that this will demonstrate that the the uses for these large wind turbine
Decision Expected on Charges for Cop Who Shot Black Motorist
"I'm Julie Walker prosecutors expect to decide today whether to charge the white former police officer who shot and killed a twenty year old black man during a traffic stop in a Minneapolis suburb on Sunday the third night of protests and arrests in Brooklyn center right outside Minneapolis where curfews are in effect the action captured by Katie S. B. officers use flash bangs and gas grenades on hundreds of protesters who threw fireworks outside police headquarters calling for justice for Dante right Kim Porter resigned from the force yesterday along with the police chief who said the twenty six year veteran thought she was using her taser instead fired her weapon on right while the shooting happened in Hennepin county prosecutors referred the case to Washington County a practice county attorneys in the Minneapolis area adopted last year in handling police deadly force I'm Julie Walker
The Race to Succeed Germany’s Angela Merkel Just Got Exciting
"The partnership of germany's christian democrats and its bavarian sister group. The hugh has long been considered one of the most stable imposible politics and for the best part of twenty years. Angela merkel has brought to. This has strong and steady leadership both as chairwoman of the cd you and as chancellor of germany but the race to replace this autumn threatens to uprootal this as the two parties have endorsed rival candidates for chancellor the cd you has backed almond lash. The party's leader. The issue is throwing its weight behind the prime minister of bavaria. Marcus urda well to examine what this will mean for the party. And for germany's future. I'm joined by suited david philp. Who's the deputy director of the german marshall fund berlin and also by kirsten gamla these deputy editor of the parliamentary bureau of the deutsche citing. Now let's begin with you suda. This week has seen a series of stages in meetings to try and work out who will take the helm on friday yesterday. Those a four hour long session wasn't that we're both men set out their stall. Yes i mean this is really something that the cdc issue Are have found themselves in a really difficult situation. Because at this point you have two candidates vying to succeed merkel who are going to come out of this process damaged And it's going to split the party So it'll be really interesting to see how the conservative bloc comes out of this
Biden to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan by September 11.
"I'm anthony davis president. Joe biden plans to withdraw the remaining two. And a half thousand. Us troops from afghanistan by september eleven. Twenty years to the day off to the al qaeda attacks that triggered america's longest war. Us officials said yesterday disclosure of the plan came on the same day that the us intelligence community released a gloomy outlook for afghanistan. Forecasting low chances of a peace deal this year and warning that its government would struggle to hold the taliban insurgency at bay if the us led coalition withdraws support. Biden's decision. would miss say may first deadline for withdrawal agreed to with the taliban by his predecessor. Donald trump the insurgents had threatened to resume hostilities against foreign troops. If that deadline was missed but biden would still be setting near-term withdrawal date potentially allaying taliban concerns a senior biden. Administration officials said. The pull outs would begin before may first and could be complete well. Before the september eleven deadline significantly it would not be subject to further conditions including security all human rights. Us secretary of state anthony blinken and s. defense secretary. Lloyd austin are expected to discuss the decision with nato allies in brussels. Today biden's decision suggests he has concluded that the us military presence will no longer be decisive. Achieving a lasting peace in afghanistan a core pentagon assumption. That has long underpinned. American troop deployments joe biden's administration has told congress is proceeding with more than twenty three billion dollars in weapons sales to the united arab emirates including
Cop, police chief resign 2 days after Black motorist's death
"Hi Mike Rossi a reporting a police officer and police chief resigned two days after a black motorist death in Minnesota four white police officer who fatally shot a black man in Brooklyn center Minnesota during a traffic stop last weekend resigned Tuesday as did the city's police chief officer Kim potter the twenty six year veteran fatally shot twenty year old Dante right Sunday at a news conference mayor Mike Elliott said we did not ask her to resign that was a decision that she made police chief Tim Gannon also resigned the shooting sparked two nights of protests and unrest Brooklyn center is just north of Minneapolis where former police officer Derek Chauvin is on trial for the death of George Floyd last year hi Mike Rossio
Derek Chauvin Trial: A Cardiologist and George Floyd's Brother Testify
"To the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin on trial for murdering george floyd the trials taking place ten miles from where white police officer killed dante right a twenty year old black man sunday on monday. A cardiologists called as an expert witness in the chauvin by the prosecution testified. George floyd died due to oxygen deprivation after chauvin kneeled on his neck for over nine minutes. George floyd brother felonious also testified and talked about how close george was to his mother who died in two thousand and
Little Known Wealth Building Secrets for Ontario Buyers in the 2020s
"Today's episode is going to be specifically about the five little known wealth. Builder secrets that every first time buyer should know specially now in the twenty twenties in the decade of the podcast. As i call it so and these five little known wealth builders are going to obviously be you know important for all of you. Not just those of you who are first time buyers but even many of you who own property. I want you to sort of adapt this system into how you guys think about. Just planning for your future really. What i'm trying to do is trying to imagine you. And i in the future and basically say how is you know. How are the decisions that we make today. Going to be Going to affect us and twenty twenty five and twenty thirty twenty forty one of the very shocking statistics that i've read and i believe this is true. Is that rents in ontario. And mrs this this was a A very you know very very well respected economists. that wrote this reports had had Estimate that by the year twenty forty rents in toronto. Could d in the four thousand a month range. Now unless you're in the rental market and you and you've handled Properties were you rented over the last twenty years You may or may not believe it but someone who's rented properties out And handled obviously many of my clients properties. This is not that far off simply because in the two thousands early two thousands but the average rental was a thousand something that was pretty pretty straightforward thousand. Fifteen hundred whatever Twenty ten twenty twenty things jumped out so obviously you know fifteen hundred to two thousand so basically by twenty twenty Two thousand a month ish is not that far off. You'll you'll you'll probably know you might even be one of the people paying that much per month in rent
Protest after chief says officer meant to use Taser, not gun
"Another night of unrest in Brooklyn center Minnesota a city just north of Minneapolis police clashed with protesters Monday night for a second straight night after a police officer fatally shot a black man in a traffic stop over the weekend killed yeah well that is all looking center police chief Tim Gannon says the officer had apparently intended to fire a taser not a hand gun it's twenty year old Dante Wright struggled with fellow officers Gannon describes the shooting as an accidental discharge right staff Sunday of spark protests and unrest in any area already on edge because of the trial the first of the four police officers charged in George Floyd staff I'm Mike Hampton
A Sketch for the Street Cops
"I had a picture in my mind of the doodle. There was a flyer out with him. This is james andrei bowls officer blue suit driving a black and white with my partner. In november of nineteen. Seventy five bowls was just off a short stint in homicide but still on the force and still in touch. Well san francisco outside. You know we thought it was best homicide unit on earth. They were working on the dude alert at that time. And so i talked to everybody who is a very very Topic of discussion. Five people have been killed two more assaulted and now that there was a composite. Sketch felt like only a matter of time until someone found this guy. Like a lot of cops james bulls wanted that someone to be him. I knew what he looked like. And so i was working alone one night and show. I told my lieutenant. I said I'm gonna go look for this this homicide suspect and i don't remember call do. I'm going to go look for this homicide suspect. I'm gonna go down on foot. And see if i can spot them. So i went to eighteenth and castro and i spent the evening. Their bowls walked around in the castro. Trying to envision the dude a black man about six feet tall slight build route twenty years old and matching the composite. Police sketch well about nine thirty. I saw this guy walking down the street and he fit the description fairly well. He was bought the right height build and me looked really heiki. His right arm was straight. It didn't bend at the elbow. And he's wearing a long peacoat bowls jumped into action without another thought. This was his chance.
Without Cruise Ships, Key West Residents Are Enjoying A Quieter, Clearer Harbor
"In twenty nine thousand nine. Almost a million people visited the small island of key west florida by cruise ship since late march. Twenty twenty the island like the rest of the country has had no cruise ship traffic. The whole industry was shut down by the pandemic now. Cruise lines are preparing to start sailing in the us again. As soon as this summer as wwl are ns. Nancy klinger reports key west would like that restart to be on a much smaller level but the state of florida has other ideas on most evenings. The key west harbor front is packed. Hundreds of people had their to admire the sun sinking into the gulf of mexico. Artists sell their work one performer. Juggles fire another balances a bike on his head out on the water. There's a big catamaran on a sunset cruise around boat shaped like a tiki hut with a bar in the middle motors past fishing. Boats had in for the evening but one kind of vessel is missing for decades cruise ships. Were an almost daily site in key west harbor but none of sailed in the us more than a year if key westerners have their way the big ships that towered over the low lying town are over last. November residents voted to limit. Crews visitation julia. Gonzales has lived here for twenty years. She's selling silk scarves masks bags at the sunset celebration on the harbor. She says she doesn't miss the cruise ships. I'm enjoying it. Actually well primarily because the beaches look more beautiful now the ocean. When i've been out there snark land st- everything seems just fresher and cleaner and better. You know it was very mckeever. Many many years and just slowly deteriorating and now i feel like what a chain isn't the only one who noticed benson is a local fishing guide. He says the area around cuba's harbor is a major thoroughfare for turpin an important game fish for the keys people come from all over the world to catch silver king on fly but benson says in recent years the silt stirred up by cruise ships pushed out the carpet and smothered the seabed
Kyle Lewis Zoom Corner - burst 4
"I. Did the final fantasy seven remake which was like. yeah. I really enjoyed that a lot of fun. I remember back in the day playing that game on. Ps two fun game. i My story with the game was that i got to this to literally will too and there was something going. Have too much space. My memory was gone on my playstation. And i was like the word formatting. Do you wanna format l. Kid i'm a kid. I don't know what the word format means. Phones are here. We can just google. They're gonna get the big encyclopedia book. And i was feeling lazy that day. So i didn't get the biggest like bedia book next thing. I know womb. Ira's everything learned the word format the heart.
Dina Goldstein Creating a living and having a voice as an art based photographer
"Guest has been described as canada's visual wizard photo. Journalism was i love and the reason that she became a photographer. She followed her passion and became a photo journalist and editorial photographer from nineteen ninety. Two to two thousand six before moving to large scale narrative at tableau tackles common imagination and beliefs and create images to promote critical thinking. And she's most nine for her series fallen princesses which was created in two thousand and seven and two picks humanize disney princesses placed in realistic modern scenarios yet to see these to truly understand how amazing they are. The idea behind the series was to challenge the happily ever after themes perpetrated by disney. and recently. She's released her thirty year photography archive by the name of triple x. I'm about the incredibly talented dana goldstein rat to have with us now. They not welcome. Thank you so much for having me. It's my pleasure. It's my pleasure thirty years. Has it gone fast or is it just you just into the grind feels like thirty years. Yes i mean. Time does go fast. Absolutely but i feel like i've done so much within these years and of course i've spent the last year the covid year collecting all of my work to my archive. So i've had a chance to recollect and think about things that i haven't thought about for years. So it was covered the reason for putting together the archival. Was this something that you planning to do. Not from ten or twenty years out. Actually i started doing this before cove. Ed i bought myself a very good explainer. Because of my photos are negatives. So i got binders and binders binders of negatives. And the first thing i had to do was go through everything and i started this process before cove it. I went to montreal to show my work and it was abruptly cancelled at. I came back here thinking out. What's next
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"That they do walk things back actually pretty often. Or they're they they are actually really accepting the idea of. Hey this is popular. Let's change it anyways like just because something is working doesn't mean as always gonna be that way and just because something isn't working it doesn't mean it'll be that way forever either and so if there are things in big sur that are weird visually or there's a big question about is touch coming all of those things like we can filter some of that through where they've been and understand that i i really do think. And it's so clear. When you put it on a google doc like this apple is playing a long game with the stuff right lighter really you can see the move to all sixty four bit stuff when they killed carbon sixty four and you can see the move to apple silicon years before it happened in hindsight and so it's not like apple is bumbling around every spring. Saying oh my gosh. We have a mac. Os released in the fall. What are we going to put in it. They know what they're putting in it for years to come. And now i think the way apple is structured being able to share stuff more between ios mac os technology feature application. Whatever layer you pick. I think that's only good for the mac. Because it shows that apple continues to invest in the mac. In mac os. Look if the mac wasn't changing then i'd be worried because it is changing. I'm hopeful for its future. Yeah and really. We talk so often about the hardware. And how apple's hardware is such a driver with a company. I think it makes sales happen. It's one of the things. They are truly amazing at but The software is the foundation of this three story building or twenty story building at this point in this mac. Os ten of last twenty. Years has been the driver of all of their success. Everything from that little thing on your wrist to the you know the big mac pro in steven's office has a similar core software foundation. It's really amazing. And it's it's where you see. Other tech companies struggle right. You see microsoft. They weren't able to succeed in mobile. And i think any future mobile efforts that they do will be indoor base and not windows. Based for the most part you see android itself google who manages it. You see them struggling to get it beyond the phone is not on. The tablet really android wear is pretty much a joke. they have chrome os which isn't android but is related somehow. It's all very confusing apples. Really the only company is able to take a course offer a platform and spread it out over a bunch of different device types and some of those end up being better than others right like. Tv os has issues and audio s and the homepods is weird. There are strengths and weaknesses. But apple's the only company who successful at all and that's really impressive. I would argue that. The foundation of the whole al apple ecosystem is very good and when we see problems. It's not what the foundation it's with in a. How did they add that particular room onto the building. Or how do they decorate room. Yeah some cases but the I feel like what they have is is which nobody else has. Is this remarkable foundational system combined with a remarkable foundational silicon system where they build their own chips and you know even though they've had this amazing run. I don't think they peaked yet. Because even just in the last year we've seen them finally able to combine those two assets silicon in the software to the computer platform. I mean where's this going next. I don't know but it's gonna be fun. I'm truly excited and i. I don't think max going anyway going anywhere anytime soon. So even though we've made this long love letter to mac os ten. We still reserve the right to complain about the software because sometimes the rooms they build on. That foundation aren't so great and will continue to talk about that as we go to the future. But i'm really glad we took a minute here to stop and just appreciate what they've done with macos. Ten over the last twenty years gets a thumbs up from me and you know the other thing to think about. Is we talk about apple as an it when it's really a day. Yeah you know you meet the people that work there and they all were very hard and the whole system is so complex now with multiple platforms and all the stuff. They've gotta make work together in throughout this twenty years we've had the rise of the internet we've had the rise of mobile platforms and that's just didn't magically work across. It took a lot of work and effort by a lot of people at apple. So if you're listening thanks. All right are the power users. Thank you to our sponsors today. Smile sandbox devon. Think and microsoft. I'd like to take a minute and tell people about another show here on relay. Fm they may enjoy and that is robo ism. It's a podcast by our friends. Alex cox cathy campbell. And they explorer. 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"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"Hundred percent the last two ask kind of in this era And we're we're getting to a point where we're gonna talk about them in groups because they start speeding up But that snow leopard and that is a lot of people's favourite version of of moco ascend. Very famously no new features. That wasn't really true because they did add some features including exchange support and some under the hood stuff but snow leopard. We still talk about it today. Right we talk about ios and macos needing a snow leopard year. Take a year off from features. Really just focused on making it better and more stable and faster and smaller Part of this came because apple dropped power. Pc support so is three years after the intel transition was complete. So if this holds up three years after the last intel mac is. We will see mac. Os drop until support. I don't know if they're gonna do that or not but it was three years last time. Can i just say i feel like that. The whole thing about snow. Leopard is one of the biggest marketing snow. Jobs ever a feature. Saying yeah i think i feel like they had no new feature because they had done a bunch of under the hood stuff and somebody sat around marketing room and said well we don't have any new feature so let's make the no new features marketing point. Yeah and i feel like nerds bought into that like oh we need a snow leopard year. Well i really what you mean by that. Is you want them to continue to work on under the hood. Stuff and not spend a lotta time on chrome but snow. Leopard was very different than leopard. I i feel like holdings overrated about people saying that this is the best operating system they ever shipped. You know. yeah i get it. I remember this was the first mcelwain version. I ran the beta and the beta was better than leopard was i was like. Oh this is actually pretty good. But because they cut off power max. Much g four g. Five owners weren't super thrilled and they were stuck on leopard fraternity. But they had to do it at some point and they did it with The snow leopard but a lot of that stuff is still really important today. So making mac os at handling multi core processors like really important today when we're sitting around with four eight ten twelve twenty. Six cores in our max finder was rewritten in cocoa. So again like another blow against carbon. The system apps are written and sixty four bit Apple is very slow in at sixty four. Bit support basically came up from the colonel to frameworks and then the next year come up to system apps and then eventually developers can write with it but all that stuff was important but again.
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"I mean to me that that was the the the release that really made me feel like. I don't have to worry about apple going out of business anymore. Yeah it's the first one that felt like okay. This is a real product with a future. Yeah i agree. I definitely agree and it was a big success. Six weeks in sixteen percent macos ten users were running it and remember. This isn't the days we just download it from the app store right. You gotta go by. Dvd store and Within a year and a half because tigers out for a long time which we're talking about in the second It was running a more than two-thirds of max so it really saw a good uptick in adoption and a lot of it again has to do with the features right spotlights the big one here. I think really good search again. Apple framed as we already had searching. Itunes just bring it everywhere else. And that was. I mean. I remember running spotlight once. Did its indexing because that was terribly slow on a spinning hard. Drive a once. It was done like. I remember my powerbook like gosh. I never have to look through files and folders again and to this day. My primary way of getting around computer is search. Is alfred on top of spotlight. But it changed the way that i think a lot of people use their computers or you can just type command space and start typing and you don't have to route around and find her anymore. Yeah i do remember thinking. This'll be a feature that will get shipped in this version and we'll be good in a year or two and being surprised that it was good for immediately. I mean once you get past that first index. You right but They they did it right from beginning because at the time search in apple mill was horrible and i was thinking that that was my mindset. Like if they can't get right with the email how are they gonna get right in the whole hard-drive but yeah for whatever. I don't know what the technologies they used but Spotlight work great from day one. Yeah because they they basically stuff spotlight into a bunch of different things including mail mail by the way as to bring this up. Mail and tigers really ugly like. It's just so bad looking. I don't know what those buttons are. Thankfully they didn't populate much further but some of the by tiger the ui was pretty messy. You i've heard about this. It's bad with this in the show notes. Yeah i've got this in the notes you had brush battle. You had some pinstripe. Be stuff you had to. Whatever this was i think was called a unified or is what we kind of called it as the community. But really not not good looking. This brings back memories. I mean even just clicking through the because this is a link to my aqua screenshot library site even clicking through four images keychain accesses brush metal. Then you have ugly male and the male preferences and that's pinstripes it's like tiger was a bit of a mess visually. There were a lot of competing ideas about how things should look. But my feeling on it was i felt like pinstripe. Looked like something that could have come from microsoft. It just didn't feel mac enough to me. Whereas i felt like brush medal was something. You'd never see on a windows computer. So that's that was my thinking but you're right it just it got to be overwhelming over the years. Yeah and it weird too because some of the hardware had pinstripes around the display. It's like why menu bartlett. The plastic sits within is very very different. Time tiger also brought dashboard. Which was another big deal. A running widgets was wasn't a new idea because it was maybe or maybe not off This link in the show notes about about that but Dashboard was a big thing. And it stuck around with just a few years ago and you also had automated so this is where automation becomes a little bit. Easier on the mac. We'd had apple script and we had the terminal of course but automated was kind of the. I build it yourself with these visual blocks that we still see it today but like shortcuts is kind of inspired by to that. Kind of is inspired. I i can't every time. Automated comes up. I just wish that they had given it. You know enough oxygen to become what it could cause i remember with tiger thinking. This is going to go so far. I was an automated from the beginning. And i you know. I'm a little sad but yeah dictionary voiceover quicktime seven remember quicktime. Say a lot of good stuff in tiger. I mean this really was like there was stuff to do in the lesson. So every release you were going to get these these big features and just from the end of the system seven system eight days through the beginning of mac. Os ten using a mac was still it was with wasn't creaky. It was buggy things would crash and it's like with tiger felt like you know. This is the mac as it's supposed to be you know. The software finally caught up to the hardware that i have very fond memories of this release. I think a lot of people. Do i certainly do and tiger also had a really important job that it was the os to migrate the mac from power bc to intel. We talked about that on -ympia five.
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"So you talked earlier about how you know. The initial releases needed work but very quickly apple. Put the gas down. And it wasn't long before clearly they had you could tell they were on the right track. So the next release ten point two jaguar. Let's talk about that one. Yeah this is This is my my one of my fun facts about this. This is the first time the release had been actually called by the cat. Codename like nerds. New puma was apple. Just refer to. It is ten point one. Get a point to. There's a big furry x. on the box that has been rendered by pixar. just fun. I guess picks up an afternoon. Okay can you make a box covered in leopard. For or jaguar. For for me and then they did and it looks awesome. It also is the first version of mac os tend to run on g five but also on a g three so it hardware is getting better. Jaguar oversaw a lot of that It was out in the fall of two thousand two and was place in the fall of two thousand three so You know very active year is where olsen added a lot of stuff that we think about still being in mac s like impact four support and quick time. The address book showed up here Bonjour which is like the networking where you to set up your printer and you don't have to like no it's ip address foul sharing a works in the finder. All that bond. your stuff Came in ten point to it also came with the the very early days of what was called then universal access kind of early days of accessibility features in mac. Os ten. And i think one of the gets overlooked but important. If in the frame of early versions macro assembler slow it came with a faster. Graphics called quartz extreme which meant that apple could use a gpu for rendering stuff and i was the cpu. You didn't have that before but as a different time But they they got that going and a couple of things i chat for instant messaging and handwriting inc. Well but this is where like some some features that we think of in part of the system. They start showing up here at the time. It was just like the march features. every year. they came out with a new version and there were a bunch of new features at it. I mean i. I don't feel like you get that with mac. Os ten or mac os updates today like you did back then but now there were major new features added every year. Oh absolutely and that that continued the next year with panther ten point three. It started dropping support for machines There were people who found the way around that This app called ex post facto. Which when i was in college friends who ran it. Is it going to run a version of. Tim doesn't support and you could. You could have the installer and do all sorts of fun stuff. But tim three definitely brought a lot of new features like you said broad brushed metal. So there's that okay. let's talk about brush mental. What were your thoughts on it. Did you like it at the time. I thought it was cool. But then i thought they overdid it pretty quickly and that made me sad because i was never a fan of the pinstripes. I thought it. I thought it felt a lot more modern but you know again. This is a long time ago. Yeah if you haven't seen this i got to lincoln this show to the finder window and panther and it's a lot of brush medal but what was cool about finder and ten point three. Is that it. Basically barred of good ideas from itunes. So before this like your user fold or you had to dig down to it. And here's like well. Let's just put the stuff you want in the sidebar. Make it customizable. We're used to that today and find her with. That wasn't the case for the entire history of it. And so you could do things like put your favorite things in the sidebar and have live searches Were labels show up. I know a lot of people are fan of that still to this day. This is where they showed up in. Os ten even the classic mac os at had them. It took awhile for apple to implement them in ten so finder really got a big update but then it added a whole bunch of other stuff to font book was added. File volt This is not the file that we love today. This was the bad version of audio. I can call it that it was not good fast user. Switching was here which is great. You know you click your name and the menu bar and log. Another account really quickly expose was here so the first time. They've really tried window management beyond just minimizing things to the dock and Safari shows up. Safari was actually mid cycle between two and three but safari one point zero was named the default browser like apple was all in on safari as panther. I didn't run it in the early days but it was there and it was gaining lava tinted from apple. And there's early days. Yeah well i think they. They saw the writing on the wall. And this is kind of a version of apple's idea that look we need to control our own destiny and one thing you must have in order to have a good operating system at at this time is two thousand three kind of as the internet starting to take off as you have to have your own browser that you control. I think they were smart to do that. Absolutely they were and that continues to be a big thing today. get chat a v. c. audio and video conferencing stuff and to get built in fact support. So if you've got a fax machine or or you need a fact something you don't have one you're contracts it for you. So that's that's cool. That's not there anymore. That's that's gone away the year sense and then in two thousand five we got tiger and And i'll tell you from my experience. At the time i felt like tiger was the once. I started running tiger and mike okay. Apple is no longer in jeopardy. I mean even th- there was a question in my mind throughout the whole period of the you know the arrival of mac. Os ten is like. Can they pull it off. Think a lot of apple fans had this like this feeling the back of her head that the company was constantly on the verge of bankruptcy or windows was so massive at this time but it was like win tiger shipped. I felt like wow. This is really come a long way..
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
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"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"It definitely wasn't but it was technically more advanced than the mac. Os at this point and that was a big big deal Even for people. Who liked the mac. I think it was. It was the the writing on the wall that something had to give and so apple went out shopping they looked at four different contenders Software to either buy or license. The first one was sun microsystems. There solaire software. This was Basically rejected pretty quickly. And this is what we're talking about ellen. Handcock a name. That is not well known in apple history but i think should be so she was the cto who came in with amelio. She's the one who said look copeland. Never gonna shut if we have to wait for it all at start rolling it out as things are ready and She was real influential in the way that this went talking apple into this now she got Shown the door by you-know-who when he comes back in a little while but she helped this along. I think she deserves credit for that but ruled out. Sun microsystems hilarious. It's it's harder requirements. were just too high. They this they even met with. Bill gates about licensing. The antique colonel like put in t underneath macos that basically went nowhere fast for of reasons. He may imagine it. I would've loved seen that meeting though. I wish there was like a video of that. Yeah it would have been incredible and you know bill gates pretty ruthless guy. You know he would take an apple for a ride that was during his ruthless stage definitely. Oh yeah they also looked at b. B.'s a fascinating company. It's b b computer company. Up the lincoln the show notes episode. Six of flashback Here on real. Fm quinn nelson. And i talk about computer for like an hour and a half very interesting company. It was run by noah. None other than gianluigi say who was a former apple executive he had been. He'd left apple. He built this company. They built no s on top of the power architecture. That apple is using but the box boxes they call. Their computer was miles. Better than most max at the time and be. Os had some really cool stuff with multimedia But they wanna three hundred million dollars from apple to buy them out and b. was not successful like they they weren't making a lot of money and apple basically said thanks but no thanks. That's that's beyond our budget. John louis gas say this great blog. I think it's called monday note. Yes we'll put a link in the show notes. I mean he was there at apple kind of at the beginning he was the head of sales starting in france but then eventually all of europe he really of knows a lot about the the history of apple and he brings context to that with the future. It's one of my favorite blogs to read. It's fantastic at is absolutely fantastic. But then the be because i remember the bee operas as well was really nice and i was personally hoping that. That's where apple would go. I mean this was not a This isn't like windows. nt colonel. This was something that could of worked. Yeah and because it was paradisea native probably not that much work to even get it working but but apple the price tag was too high so it within silicon valley. The be apple was pretty. Well known i get the sense of that. In reading material from the time that people knew this had gone sideways and the also kind of knew. That was apple's last shot and so a next employee reached out to apple behind steve jobs back to set up a meeting. And what happened. Whoever that was but that's bold. Move at this point next. You know it was. It was steve's company. Africa kicked out of apple in the eighties dade been building high. End workstation hardware for like vs and researchers to us but it was too expensive and no one really bought it and so they were out of the hardware game by this point but they were building open step which was the newest version of their operating system for their hardware and it was also a development kit. But what was cool about this missile. Be really important later in the story. It was relatively agnostic. When it came to what processor platform it ran on and so next was basically building a tool kit for people to build apps across a bunch of different platforms at this point and they also had this. os that they were developing They also had like web objects and server side stuff but it really interesting combination of things. And then you add steve jobs to the mexicans even more interesting but next wasn't a particularly successful company. I mean they got in the business to be. You know to compete with apple on the high end you know. They wanted to be a computer company. And by the time this deal comes around next as laid off a lotta people and It is not the company had started out to be definitely not they were. They were not in great shape at this point like how be was like i get the sense that both of these companies kind of needed to be acquired and in fact be computer company. Didn't last very long after this because that no money and you need money to have a company but apple ends up having this like final meeting in december of ninety-six six next is invited b.'s..
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"A lot of computer hardware as it got faster was getting additional support. Like you know. Multi multi the The ability to run multiple apps at a single time which was supported. Much better than the mac and the mac felt creaky at the time. I am i use them and it definitely needed something that it didn't have and there were real technical reasons for that creaky feeling. I mean one who used the classic. Mac os will remember an application crashing and unique to restart your computer right now. Usa used to to run utilities to babysit your ram. Yeah it was like it was like the starship enterprise in like you had to like figure out how much power you're gonna put into your shields in your thrusters and your your lasers because you had to do that with your on the mac or you would. An app could run and check literally crash the system. That's right and the reason for that was really twofold. The real reason for the crash eunice and the having to babysit everything was a lack of protected. Memory so these things these are things are very tentacle. My best effect. I've ripped out of my book. Because i i talked to a bunch of people trying to explain these as simply as possible but in the classic mac. Os say you're running photoshop. Photoshop has its chunk of ram chunk of memory that its using in the other processor application could go into that memory pool and read and write from it and tinker with it and so in this world if an application crashes. It can't help but take down the rest of the system because that ram is all shared between everybody and it's not protected that is a security issue. Of course you don't want application snooping on each other. But it also led to that instability that so many people So often and the second thing is preemptive multitasking and again simplifying. This preemptive multitasking means that an operating system can run multiple occasions multiple services and ensured that they all have access to the cpu basically. The system is the traffic cop right. So macro s is in charge of where all the applications are doing as far as computer resources without this again you run into instability and you're anything blocking each other for instance in classic mac. Os clicking a menu in the menu bar. Basically the rest of the machine would stop until you let go of your mouse. Because the computers whole attention is now watching. What is david going to do with this menu and it can't can't do enough to keep everything else. Everything else running. And this made the mac feel slower than it needed to and again instability at not being a very secure and by the nineties this stuff was around and apple does didn't have it yet. The thing that felt weird at the time kind of looking back. And i'm thinking like late iraq late eighties to early nineties was the ram problem was a constant thing. Like your computer would crash if you weren't careful and i hated that and the the multitasking was great. And none of us were really using it that we're using macs so we saw that was out there but we really just didn't have it so i don't think we missed it as much. The third thing you mentioned was security. And i can tell you having been there. None of us thought anything about security. Nobody cared a lot of these. Computers weren't on the internet. And exactly and the mac was basically a single user machines so when that big of a deal and it's not for trying so by the time system seven comes around apple had tried twice to build an os replacement. One was called pink which is mostly internal Taligent which they worked with some partners on and those are like stories for another time but they just didn't have talent focus and resources to make that happen and so both of those projects died off without any really anything to show for it now. where does copeland fittings. I remember talk of copeland around the same time. Yes so copeland was apple's third. Try to build a a modern operating system This launched in nineteen ninety four and the goal was to ship it quote system. Eight or mac. Os eight in one thousand. Nine hundred. eighty six. The to do list was really long for copland. It needed to support all classic mac applications in the all native for the power. Pc apple's new hardware platform it was going to have an updated user interface. It was going to support open doc. Which again is the story for. Different time but open dock is real sad story where apple basically said instead of applications have content everywhere very strange idea and then it was going to have protected memory and preemptive multitasking apple. Knew this was a problem. It's not that their their heads in the sand but copeland was way too ambitious again. Given apple's resources at the time and i've talked to people who worked on copeland and the company just didn't have what it needed to pull this off in a bunch of different ways and rather unsurprisingly nineteen ninety-six comes and goes and Gil emilio the ceo at the time. Says hey look instead of one big o. s. upgrade We're gonna roll these features out one by one over the course of several updates to mac. Os basically as things are ready. We're going to put them into the release some features like the interface platinum. If you've run. Mac os or macos if you run. Mac os eight or mac os nine. You've seen platinum and better power. Pc support those rolled out. But that was about it. You know mac. Os eight when it finally came about really was just a shell of what copeland was supposed to be. You know that was a watershed moment for me. I guess because when that announcement came down that this was going to be piecemeal and having been dealing at that point. I've been a lawyer for three years and was trying to do legal work on a mac and running into so many problems with compatibility in the whole firm was on windows and they said hey you know we're gonna get this but it's gonna you know one feature at a time. I was thinking this is going to be like five years of misery. And that's when. I started learning how to use a pc. I think a lot of people abandoned ship at that point. I mean i kept my mac but yeah did a lot of work on the pc will. Apple had talked a big game about copeland for a long time and it just it just all fell apart and you know at this point. You've got three dead attempts. I think apple knew that it would need to go. You know what they call them. The business world to an outside hire they needed to go find an operating system they could bring in. Add some sort of mac support to it and that be their new os. I think they knew that they were out of time. The stock market told them. They are out of time. You know this is all in the era of apple having dwindling sales and dwindling cash on hand. You know windows. Ninety five was not very kind to the mac right. A lot of people look at windows. Ninety five. I don't think i don't think mackie's are solid at the time but i think now looking back it's clear that windows ninety five delivered a real hard blow to the mac not that it had all the stuff done perfectly but it was so much better than previous versions of windows that it really showed. That microsoft was serious about making an operating system with a gooey. That was pretty good it will. It was good enough good. I think it would be. And i mean there are so many things about the mac that were better but the underlying problems at the mac again. I i'll stop saying this. But the ram management problem used to drive me crazy and it was a problem and at the time if you put it in. Context windows is on the rise. You know they've they've figured out how to move windows. I mean the first couple versions of windows was terrible and The but they're starting to figure it out while at the same time. Apple's can't seem to get its act together about upgrading. the operating system. And i'll tell you the time. I didn't know if i had to buy computer the time i didn't know what i would deny us the the pc's at work. And i had my back. Yeah but if somebody told me you've got to buy a computer. I'm not sure. I would have given money to apple at the time because i just wasn't sure they were gonna be around a few years and ninety five had that those like core underlying things not that it was perfect..
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"Lord knows i plug my stuff enough. Stephen don't feel bad. Yeah i'm not as prolific as you are with the book so this is my. This is my shot a great book. I would highly recommend it. I bought it before you. And i were as good a friends as we are like. Oh i just wanna read this guy's book. Yeah i i thought you talk about this with your stuff but i thought i could probably get this done like a month and it took almost a year. That's the usually at twelve to one. That's about right. Yeah so it was a lot of fun also today on more power users you know the ad free longer version of the show. We're going to talk about our first experiences. Our first exposure to mac os ten. You had came from very different places. Or you've been using the mac a long time. I kinda came to this sort of mid transition between classic mac. Os and os ten. So we're gonna talk about that for members at the end of the show. I'm looking forward to that a lot. Yeah me too me too so Where do we start this journey. We're going to start the dawn of time getting well. I was thinking. Well let's let's start with. Where apple was yeah. You know at the beginning where it really wasn't a very good place. It wasn't Initially the obviously a game changer in nineteen eighty-four popularized things like the graphic user interface. And thing the mouse in fact a lot of the ads from the early days of the macintosh were. This is how a mouse works during that era of the eighties. Apple really didn't have the idea that the software was separate from the hardware it was. This is the macintosh and this is the software software. Didn't have its own brand if you will. There was the finder and there was like the system folder. And that sort of stuff but eventually apple would sort of come around to giving this thing a name and we would get like things like system software five system six System seven and it became more of a marketing and branding deal as opposed to before. Like when you got the mac plus it is ran a slightly newer version of the macintosh experience than the one twenty eight had. This was different. From how computer companies did it A lot of effect there was a lot of stuff in the eighties. It about the os that you that you ran right. I'm earning cpm or dos. Or whatever but apple. And i think primarily steve jobs viewed the mac as it is. Just one thing and talking about the software and hardware separately. Didn't make a lot of sense to apple. in that time. I think he was always a fan of the toaster. Approach technology in like. This is what you get you. Pull out the box in the works. And we don't need to focus on any particular component as much as we focus on the fact that it all works together and this is kind of beyond the scope of today show but andy hertzfeld did this great series on the internet op. Go head and go find it. I read this stuff years ago where he talked about kind of the chronicles of them. Putting together the operating system for the first mac. And just like the mac. os ten group. The you know the original. Mac system one i guess or the original mac. Operating system really was revolutionary. They saw a bunch of problems that nobody else could get around. Everybody likes to make fun of apple and say xerox parc already had the mouse in windows on all the stuff but nobody even apple with their lisa initiative were able to get in a user friendly working method and and the people microsoft were flummoxed when they saw a the original macintosh with almost no ram move windows around the screen. I mean it. It really was quite an effort by that original team. But you know it just kind of stay there you know. They really didn't kind of flow with the times. Yeah that's right That website by the way Having the notes folklore dot org yes. That's anything you wanna read about. The early mac is there. It's it's a great resource. That's one of those websites that if the day comes where it needs somebody to keep hosting it. I will just pay to keep posting it myself like that site and he's at forever so yes. Let's let's jump forward in time You know ten twelve years after the original mac system six seven. It became mac. Os as the name with seven. Point six in nineteen ninety-seven why that version. I don't know the the apple in the ninety s was a real mystery But like you said they. They had basically let it sort of wither on the vine. You know mac. Os had come from this place of swapping floppies around. They did add things like hard drive support networking the ability to run more more than one app at a time which was originally a hack called multi finder and they brought that into the system but they just bolted. All this stuff on the core wasn't really improved very much right. It's like trying to think about analogy right. It's like if you are adding onto your house. But you didn't deal with structural issues in the original building right like you're sort of just adding weight and adding structure to something. That really shouldn't be able to support it. And that's kind of where. Mac os got in the nineties. Yeah it's like a house with the foundation for one story but they had a three story house on top of dacian. yeah absolutely. I vividly remember my college bookstore though system six posters when system six came out you know. Because that's where we all the nerds. The mac nerves would go hang out in the bookstore section but it did feel like You know when. Mac was so revolutionary. When it came out i mean the reason they did ads about the mouse is because everybody was sitting in an ibm pc with command line or even on apple two with a command line or whatever and it was like such a game changer..
"twenty years" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"Users. My name is stephen. Hackett joined his always by my friend in yours. Mr david sparks. Hey steven how are you. Today i'm good. We're gonna talk about the mac and its history. We should probably tell people in advance. How long this. Google doc is going to be a fun ride today. I feel like this is like the episode for stephen. This is this is episode one hundred percent and But it's actually a lot of fun talking about this stuff. I i guess we should start by explaining why we're talking about mac os today. Yeah so on. March twenty four. Th two thousand one apple released mac. Os ten point zero to the public. There were some betas including a public betas before that and you know. We wanted to mark the twentieth anniversary of that. And it's an amazing run and we both think mac. Os now called has long life ahead of it but it seems like a nice time to stop look back at how far the mac has come in two decades. Yeah i mean how much this operating system is responsible for success. I mean i was thinking about this over the weekend as we were prepping for the shows like out in my head he would think like why the i mac is. What saved apple you know. They came out with the cool. Color of li- mac but really everything they have done in these twenty years started with mac os ten even the iphone. Yeah i mean the apple watch has its roots in In this This were an. it'll be only time. I do it to forgive me. I'm gonna plug a book that i wrote Post like four years ago now called aqua and bond i. it's about the basically. You just mentioned the i mac and os ten and how those came about together to release save apple It's on the Apple bookstore and We're gonna talk a lot about what's in this book. Today in fact actually pulled up my pdf of it to to refresh my memory on some of it. But if you like what we're talking about today maybe go check that out. I think you would enjoy it. I mean honestly if you if you like your mac and your apple gear understand that history..
"twenty years" Discussed on Deconstructed with Mehdi Hasan
"They were called the texas eleven and they are in many ways the beginning of the story that ended this week with the deadly collapse of the state's electrical grid the two thousand and two midterm elections texas republicans finally gained full control of the state's government. The party immediately moved to redraw congressional and state legislative lies to gerrymander democrats into oblivion. But to approve the redistricting state senate needed a quorum. A corum that eleven democrats could deny simply not showing up and so the texas eleven were born also known bit ridiculously as the killer. D.'s these eleven state senators fled to new mexico and homa out of the reach of the texas rangers. The story became grist for late night. Comedians here stephen colbert then on the daily show. Runaways there are a problem all across the nation and new mexico. Always no exception one such runaway. Who will call rodney. He came here from texas. His story will break your heart. Rodney what did you run away. I'm here a part of effort to break a legislative in the texas legislature. Yes like so many runaways. Rodney is here to break legislative quorum in the texas legislature. Three over that summer. They successfully killed a special legislative session aimed at redistricting in the fall. One of the democrats eventually caved and return to austin in two thousand and two democrats controlled seventeen of thirty congressional districts. Two years later with the state's population growing texas had thirty two members of congress but democrats control just eleven seats. They had gone from a majority to deep in the minority overnight and that's where they would remain over the next twenty years as republicans used their unchecked authority over the state to launch an experiment radical deregulation strip the government down to the boards and then ripped out the boards and sold them for scrap. Here's how rourke described today's republican party to me over the phone. This week you have. People running the government in texas who are in the highest positions of public trust who just fundamentally do not believe in government. Republicans though have found the culprit. It's the green new deal. He's green energy to blame for the power outages in texas. Joe biden and democrats. Better think twice about unleashing the green new deal on the whole country. Just take a look at what's happening in texas. Unbeknownst to most people green new deal came to texas the power grid and the state became totally reliant on windmills. then it got cold and the wind broke. We got massive amount of wind farms out in west texas better frozen up. All of that wind energy was lost. Wind turbines or frozen wind turbines frozen turbines are frozen solid. That's what happens in the green new deal. This is a clash between green dreams and deep-freeze reality the same energy policies that have wrecked texas. This week are going nationwide coming to your state. Is this what. America would look like under the green new deal. This is where the weather meets the green new deal. This is where you pay the price for the climate dreams of the coastal elites. Okay but back to reality. it wasn't as if texas didn't know cold. Winters are possible in nineteen eighty nine. A cold snap crashed below zero and caused a major power. Outages in two thousand eleven happened again. The freeze rolling power blackouts throughout texas including dallas. They were rolling blackouts for on that city because the power plants. Just stop working. New trouble was around the corner especially at intersections with blacked out traffic lights. The super bowl is in dallas on sunday. But it's very cold. it's so cold. There are power outages and rolling blackouts. Oliver texans fact. They're having to import power for mexico with when mexico has to give us electricity. That's what we know. We're in trouble. Experts warned that the state's energy system needed major upgrades instead as we'll talk about later in the show with for ri- director of the university of texas's energy institute deregulation setup incentives for many firms to ignore infrastructure investments. The gambled it wouldn't be their problem and so millions remain out of power and access to water is touch and go. It might seem crass to talk about the political repercussions of this crisis while it still unfolding but politics got us into this mess and only politics is going to get us out. We'll talk with former congressional candidate. Mike segal who last appeared on the show in november to talk about how. This is playing politically but i. I reached out tibedo roar. Who has been hammering governor greg abbott and he's been running a massive phone banking operation to reach out the stranded freezing and starving seniors across the state to see how they can be helped aerobics. Response to the crisis has fueled speculation that he's running for governor and twenty twenty two against abbott. He was asked about that at the end of january by a local radio station. Koa q. And el paso so according to the texas democratic party chairman gil so He says beto. You are Thinking about a challenge to governor. Greg abbott in two thousand twenty two. I don't expect you to make any kind of announcement on a regional radio show but the story here says o'rourke could not be reached for comment. I was thinking. Oh well. I've reached him. Maybe he'll come into my skype number. That's right Someone think about abbott responded by saying promise as a presidential candidates that take assault weapons away from their owners. Wouldn't quote sell well in texas. If roy does run he'll make the election a referendum on republican rule. Here's how he put it to me on thursday. It's not just the current disaster with this severe cold snap in texas and the power blackouts that affected millions and the boil. Water notice that seven million. Texans are are living under right now because of the radical deregulation the failure to require power generators to weatherize their facilities or to connect to the national grid's. We could draw down power when we needed. It's not just that it's it's also the response to covid that has claimed the lives of more than forty thousand of my fellow. Texans this bungled koba vaccine rollout in texas where literally asked each of the two hundred and fifty four counties of texas to figure it out on their own the absolute rejection of science and facts and truth when it comes to climate and other extraordinarily important emergencies that we face and we're also the state that has obviously on the front lines of this you look at hurricane harvey in two thousand seventeen. You look at the severe droughts that we face severe winter weather storms. That are absolutely unprecedented. That this is not just our future. This is happening right now. This is the cost of twenty years of absolute republican control unbroken in texas at literally every significant level of government. And it's the consequence of having people who don't believe in government running the government. That's what we're up against to dig. Deeper into the state's politics were joined by civil rights attorney. Mike segal who ran for congress in texas and twenty twenty. He last appeared on the november episode of deconstructed titled. What happened mike. Segal thank you so much for joining us again on deconstructed accurate so glad to be with you know. I wish it were under better circumstances but we we got actually a ton of feedback and positive feedback from your your last interview. People really found the story of your congressional race to be quite elucidating in the in the wake of november's election..
"twenty years" Discussed on Two Moms Day Drinking
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"twenty years" Discussed on The Science Show
"Perth stems where their lowest. Since the first world war and the southeast of the country was on its way to the dryest shania period since recordkeeping began as the bureau of meteorology. Put it at the time. This was the nation's first climate change drought. That observation came hot. On the heels of the third assessment report of the intergovernmental panel on climate change which made headlines around the world with this conclusion that there is new and stronger evidence that most of the global warming observed over the last fifty years is attributable to human activities if suburban households become complacent about the household woody's than the drought was a wakeup call across the nation. Education campaigns and water saving devices joined water restrictions in an effort to ease pressure on limited urban water supplies in melbourne for instance the voluntary target. One five five campaign aimed more than half the daily water consumption of residents by encouraging shorter showers while imposing strict limits on watering gardens washing the car. Brisbane went even further aiming to reduce residential would consumption to one hundred and forty liters of water per person per day. The rain water tank in grey water. Recycling became suburban. Must haves offering the means to keep gardens green in trying conditions as the damn levels so lower and lower state governments turned desalination with perth leading the way in two thousand six a prospect that was unthinkable just a decade earlier other states took notice and before long desalination plants were on the drawing board for the gold coast sydney melbourne and adelaide. But for the most part by the time those projects were completed. The rains had returned to the east coast and the plants built. There were dismissed as wipe elephants journalist. Chris noticed this change in the weather himself as he reflected in the updated edition of his book on the murray darling basin in two thousand and ten browsing through his local bookshop. He'd realized that he's book. The river somehow migrated from the environment and ecology section where. It's just six months ago to a new place on the history shows even so this record linear rainfall that broke the millenium. Drought did not turn back the clock. A drying trend continued across the south of the continent particularly in the southwest. Where winter rains had been in decline since the nineteen seventies julian part to human induced climate change indeed while eastern australia record high levels of rainfall in late twenty ten and in twenty eleven perth and much of southwestern austrailia experienced record dry weather. This is just some of the challenges of planning for both climate variability and climate change on a continent of extremes. It's been looking ahead into the future. That's being one of the ways in which ustralian have long tried to come to terms with this continent of extreme climate variability in twenty eleven. The climate commission released its first report declaring that australia was facing the critical decade back. Then of course. The climate commission was a federal government body established under the gillard government but it was dissolved under the abbott government. Soon after its election in two thousand thirteen the decade to twenty twenty. The climate commission's report argued was critical in terms of meeting the two degrees celsius guardrail by curbing emissions of carbon dioxide in the decade to twenty twenty global emissions had to be well on track to reaching by twenty fifty to limit the planet's warming taking the temperature on the nation's progress towards this goal in twenty seventeen the climate council the independent body that rose from the ashes of the climate commission declared that australia was now known as global climate lagged already the concentration of carbon dioxide emissions had tipped over four hundred parts per million higher than at any other time for millions of us and the planet's temperature was over one degree higher than temperatures before the industrial revolution of the eighteenth century. The report warned that the window of opportunity to limit worsening climate impacts is closing and already climate events were getting worse pointing not only to bush fires and hate waves but also to drought and drying across the south of the continent. Just as the gun. I report of two thousand. Eight and countless other scientific studies had predicted two thousand and nineteen was the driest year since records began in one thousand nine hundred and it was the country's warmest year in fact all these since two thousand thirteen are among the ten warmest on record australia. The impact of climate changes lead to longer more intense fire seasons and an increase in the average number of elevated fire weather days as measured by the forest fire danger index twenty nine thousand nine so the highest cumulated index on record fires have burned before an australian but never like those we saw over the summer. It's called comfort knowing that this disaster was nice surprise after all the two thousand eight garner report warned that fire seasons will start earlier and the slightly lighter and generally be more intense. This effect increases over time but should be directly observable by twenty twenty in another ten to twenty years time 2019 white. Be so unusual. Although this use emissions might be lower thanks to the covid lockdowns and the air might be cleaner. The concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere like carbon dioxide continues to rise and the period two thousand sixteen to twenty twenty looks set to be the warmest five year period on record. Unfortunately a few months of slowing down can't make up for the decades upon decades of greenhouse gas emissions that have accumulated in the atmosphere. He street is weighing heavily on the planet's climate future. Associate professor ruth morgan at the new a former. Abc top five humanities star..
"twenty years" Discussed on The Science Show
"The year two thousand and twenty was always going to be a tantalizing horizon for future thinkers even at symmetry conjures the clear-sightedness and precision of twenty twenty vision. Too which policymakers in resist manages. Always aspire twenty years ago. Most of southern australia was still in the group of the millenium drought. The dry conditions broke records around the nation. Perth stems where their lowest. Since the first world war and the southeast of the country was on its way to the dryest shania period since recordkeeping began as the bureau of meteorology. Put it at the time. This was the nation's first climate change drought. That observation came hot. On the heels of the third assessment report of the intergovernmental panel on climate change which made headlines around the world with this conclusion that there is new and stronger evidence that most of the global warming observed over the last fifty years is attributable to human activities if suburban households become complacent about the household woody's than the drought was a wakeup call across the nation. Education campaigns and water saving devices joined water restrictions in an effort to ease pressure on limited urban water supplies in melbourne for instance the voluntary target. One five five campaign aimed more than half the daily water consumption of residents by encouraging shorter showers while imposing strict limits on watering gardens washing the car. Brisbane went even further aiming to reduce residential would consumption to one hundred and forty liters of water per person per day. The rain water tank in grey water. Recycling became suburban. Must haves offering the means to keep gardens green in trying conditions as the damn levels so lower and lower state governments turned desalination with perth leading the way in two thousand six a prospect that was unthinkable just a decade earlier other states took notice and before long desalination plants were on the drawing board for the gold coast sydney melbourne and adelaide. But for the most part by the time those projects were completed. The rains had returned to the east coast and the plants built. There were dismissed as wipe elephants journalist. Chris noticed this change in the weather himself as he reflected in the updated edition of his book on the murray darling basin in two thousand and ten browsing through his local bookshop. He'd realized that he's book. The river somehow migrated from the environment and ecology section where. It's just six months ago to a new place on the history shows even so this record linear rainfall that broke the millenium. Drought did not turn back the clock. A drying trend continued across the south of the continent particularly in the southwest. Where winter rains had been in decline since the nineteen seventies julian part to human induced climate change indeed while eastern australia record high levels of rainfall in late twenty ten and in twenty eleven perth and much of southwestern austrailia experienced record dry weather. This is just some of the challenges of planning for both climate variability and climate change on a continent of extremes. It's been looking ahead into the future. That's being one of the ways in which ustralian have long tried to come to terms with this continent of extreme climate variability in twenty eleven. The climate commission released its first report declaring that australia was facing the critical decade back. Then of course. The climate commission was a federal government body established under the gillard government but it was dissolved under the abbott government. Soon after its election in two thousand thirteen the decade to twenty twenty. The climate commission's report argued was critical in terms of meeting the two degrees celsius guardrail by curbing emissions of carbon dioxide in the decade to twenty twenty global emissions had to be well on track to reaching by twenty fifty to limit the planet's warming taking the temperature on the nation's progress towards this goal in twenty seventeen the climate council the independent body that rose from the ashes of the climate commission declared that australia was now known as global climate lagged already the concentration of carbon dioxide emissions had tipped over four hundred parts per million higher than at any other time for millions of us and the planet's temperature was over one degree higher than temperatures before the industrial revolution of the eighteenth century. The report warned that the window of opportunity to limit worsening climate impacts is closing and already climate events were getting worse pointing not only to bush fires and hate waves but also to drought and drying across the south of the continent. Just as the gun. I report of two thousand. Eight and countless other scientific studies had predicted two thousand and nineteen was the driest year since records began in one thousand nine hundred and it was the country's warmest year in fact all these since two thousand thirteen are among the ten warmest on record australia. The impact of climate changes lead to longer more intense fire seasons and an increase in the average number of elevated fire weather days as measured by the forest fire danger index twenty nine thousand nine so the highest cumulated index on record fires have burned before an australian but never like those we saw over the summer. It's called comfort knowing that this disaster was nice surprise after all the two thousand eight garner report warned that fire seasons will start earlier and the slightly lighter and generally be more intense. This effect increases over time but should be directly observable by twenty twenty in another ten to twenty years time 2019 white. Be so unusual. Although this use emissions might be lower thanks to the covid lockdowns and the air might be cleaner. The concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere like carbon dioxide continues to rise and the period two thousand sixteen to twenty twenty looks set to be the warmest five year period on record. Unfortunately a few months of slowing down can't make up for the decades upon decades of greenhouse gas emissions that have accumulated in the atmosphere. He street is weighing heavily on the planet's climate future.
"twenty years" Discussed on 1A
"So according to a new study that was published in the American journal of medicine nearly thirty nine thousand kids in the US were fatally shot between nineteen ninety nine. An twenty seventeen the authors of that report noted a steep rise in deaths among black children starting in two thousand thirteen. It happens everywhere, and we have to pay attention to it everywhere because it's not just saying Chicago and white suburban areas, it's the United States of America that has a gun issue. That was activists in Denver school board candidate, Tae Anderson. Speaking to K, UNC's Lee Patterson le-, let's zoom out a little bit further before we have to let you go talk about how gun violence has changed in the twenty years since Columbine. I mean, writ large has America got more violent or less violent or stayed the same generally more violent, the number of gun deaths has been rising pretty steadily in the US since Columbine in two thousand seventeen nearly forty thousand people died from gunshot wounds and sixty percent of those deaths were suicides we spent the hour looking at what has changed since Columbine before. We let you go. I'd be interested in knowing your assessment of what has not changed since. Then what are some of the biggest things that remain the same twenty years on well school shootings, still happen gun violence? Still happens case in point this whole incident with a slow pace that unfolded in Colorado this week, I think people. Coming from many, many, many different viewpoints are frustrated they're frustrated that this still happens. They're frustrated that the solutions that they support haven't fully been put in place, and we should be clear, by the way, the story of sold by is still very much open. There are still out of gaps in terms of who she is what motivated her. What exactly the narrative was behind that? Right. Yes. Yes. Of course, this is a developing story, the FBI is still investigating and we are really reporting what we're hearing. And what we're understanding is that comes out a lot of folks who are listening. I think are kind of resigned to the fact that this is a threat anywhere in the country at any time, especially those of us who were young adults when Columbine happened. I think you were in your mid teens when it happened. I was just a new to the university of Miami. And since then the anniversary is also linked to what likely led to sixty percent of Colorado schools being closed this incident with solar by because of a credible gun threat before. I'll let you go. What's your sense based on your reporting of what people can do of what is being done to change the way we deal with violence in schools? Well, what's important to know as that people? With many many different viewpoints are getting involved. We've heard from some of them in this hour. People are voicing their concerns for the need for for things like mental health services programs like safe to tell school districts all over the country are deciding what kinds of physical security measures that they're going to put in place, whether that means hiring armed security personnel, or in some cases, even allowing concealed carry and here in here in Colorado again going back to what happened this week. Some communities are making decisions to keep kids at home. And I would just say that some of the reporting I've done should leave people with some hope because in spite of all of the attention on school shootings, and in spite of have truly terrifying. They are evidence shows that school is one of the. Safest places that your child can be that's K UNC's Lee. Patterson, a reporter with guns and America Lee. We appreciate all your reporting. Thanks very much for joining us. You're welcome. Thanks also to Amanda Andrews at K UNC into the whole guns and America team, you could find more of their work online at guns and America dot bore.
"twenty years" Discussed on 1A
"Back, and you can read the New York Times coverage you can read Hitler saying it was America who taught us we should not open our arms equally other nations this week on it's been a minute from NPR. Back now to our conversation with Kay UNC's Lee Patterson about the legacy of the shooting at Columbine high school, it's part of a special collaboration with guns and America a reporting project that explores the relationship between we in the US and our firearms now Lee when it comes to Columbine, how do actual high school students feel about it. Yeah. We had some of our reporters asked the high school kids they interviewed in their communities about Columbine. And a lot of them said something like this. Have you ever heard of Columbine high school? No, I haven't heard of. Yes. I have. Students was at students that basically shot up a school. And they I mean, I'm not sure of the full extent to it. But that's all I pretty much. Are you familiar with with Columbine or or what happened there that school twenty years ago? I might have heard or something, but I could be confusing with something also not one hundred percent, sure. The fact of the matter is Columbine happened before these kids were born even the students who had heard of it really only knew about it through movies. When I watch everything about Columbine. It's all through like a documentary footage or like a news crew filming in all like with parkland. It was like we were seeing Snapchat videos of kids like in the classroom like the Deutz right outside the classroom shooting in. It's like he's still there filming under the desk, what their Snapchat and all that was like I opened. It was like doubt that's us. So let's back up to Columbine itself back before Snapchat before smartphones before all of our lives were so very deeply digital. How did activists back then? Get people to really understand what it was like to live through a mass shooting sue back to the year two thousand it's election night in Denver, one more euro that I know you've all been waiting to hear from tonight. This is a victory party for the passing of a ballot measure called amendment twenty two which close something called the gun show loophole by requiring background checks for firearm purchases at gun shows, honor and a pleasure introduce Tom medicine. You had a big smile on your face, and you got up to the podium. What what was that like for you? All. Is it was heavenly? It really was heavily sweet night. I know some people would say, oh, gee, isn't it bittersweet? You know, you're still just a little more than a year since the tragedy. But now that was that was just one of the great moments that night at the podium. Tom Mauser reaches down and holds up a pair of large white sneakers. And then in Daniel shoes, he says his son shoes, I could say, you know, we did this in in Daniel's name the people of Colorado did it and and he provided the inspiration for. Tom, son. Daniel was one of the twelve students killed at Columbine high school twenty years ago when I interviewed Tom recently at his church..
"twenty years" Discussed on 1A
"And we're making the month of April all about women in comedy. We've got grittily and Leslie Hedlund from the Netflix series Russian doll. So beloved Reta from NBC's parks and recreation and many more spread the word. Listen and subscribe now. This is one A. I'm Joshua Johnson. We're talking to k- UNC's Lee Patterson on the twenty year anniversary of Columbine Leah's reporting fellow with guns and America, it's a project that looks at the role of guns in American life Li it's pretty clear that there have been some real policy changes since then. But what does it mean that our policy making is so reactive rather than proactive? Yeah. So I talked to David rupee about that. I am a retired Harvard instructor and an author of books about risk perception, and how worrying too much or too little can get us into trouble rupee says that given the relative rarity of school shootings, we might be overreacting when we let them drive policy. But there's a good reason for it. We are exquisitely afraid of any risks to our kids, which makes sense because to keep the species going our kids are tomorrow's version of the species when a risk is being talked about a lot. What in the media amongst friends amongst parents, sending their kids off to school as Columbine has made school shootings in general. And then another one happens. And then another one happens. It becomes a bigger blip on that risk radar screen, and that alone disproportionately magnifies how scary that risk seems. I see what he's getting lean. But that doesn't mean we should disregard these incidents, right? No, no, not at all Roby explains that it's really more of a question of awareness. We can't not feel terrible hurt and and horror at school shootings. But we can also realize that our fear and our horror can be getting in the way of what's best for our kids. That's why having this conversation matters. They that he means two things number one that it's important not to unnecessarily frightened students about school shootings. And number two, not to let those adult fears distract from other solutions or other bigger problems. School district's across the country are dealing with this as they make decisions on school safety. They can buy things like security cameras chur, but they can also take preventative measures like providing mental health services..
"twenty years" Discussed on 1A
"Northern Colorado. She's also reporting fellow with guns and America. This is one A. I'm Joshua Johnson in Washington. Vaccinate everybody. I'm Peter Jennings. At ABC news world headquarters. We want to bring you up to date at the shooting at Columbine high school. They left the library. We just kinda ran for running towards the cop car. They just came in. And they started shooting. Everybody's saying get down get down. Perhaps. Now America would wake up to the dimensions of this challenge. Factually, become part of our language. A Columbine style attack Columbine really gave birth to the modern fear of kids being shot in schools were still struggling to figure out. Why did that happen? Twenty years ago to teenagers murdered a dozen students and one teacher at Columbine high school in Colorado since then more than two hundred twenty thousand students have been exposed to gun violence in schools, and the threat of a school shooting is always there an eighteen year old woman is dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound after threatening violence against Denver schools. Investigators say sold by was infatuated with the Columbine shooting so much so that she flew from Miami to Denver bought a shotgun and hid in the Colorado foothills for nearly two days more than a thousand Denver area schools closed yesterday as police searched for her. She was found dead on mount Evans yesterday afternoon. Joining us from K UNC public radio in Greeley about an hour. From Denver is reporter Lee Patterson. She's part of guns and America a reporting collaborative that focuses on America's relationship with firearms. Lee. Welcome to the program. Hi there. We'll talk about the. Order question of what's changed in America since Columbine? But tell us more about what happened this week. What more do we know about sold by? Sure. So she was an eighteen year old high school student in Miami. As you mentioned earlier this week law enforcement found her dead by suicide an apparent gunshot wound. The whole thing started a couple of days ago pace came to Denver. She landed at Denver International airport, Monday morning. She went and bought a shotgun. The FBI division here in Denver at some point was made aware of her presence, and basically frantically begin searching for her because you know, in their estimation. She had made threats that were credible in the area. She was infatuated with the Columbine high school shooting. Now, the FBI has said the threats were not specific to any particular school. They have also really haven't given out any details on these threats, but it all led to a massive manhunt and hundreds perhaps over a thousand front range schools were closed, and ultimately it all ended in the in the discovery of her body is supposed to have been especially emotional. Colorado, especially because Colorado passed a new red flag law just last Friday. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I think this. This has been a very emotional thing for Colorado on one hand. Some people have said really an eighteen year old kid can shut down hundreds of schools, and you know, scaring entire metro area. Really? And then on the other hand, if people were terrified, you know, not letting their kids beyond the coldest sack imagining this woman creeping around in their neighborhood, and you know, really just feeling terrified and shake in in the wake of the you know, the twentieth anniversary of the Columbine high school shooting this weekend. It's been very difficult for communities, and a few of the survivors few of the Columbine survivors that I've been talking with and texting to were quite shaken up by this whole thing worth noting. Of course, red flag laws designed to prevent people who seem to be a threat to public safety from acquiring firearms. Let's shift gears to Columbine itself when it comes to that what exactly have you been focusing on? So a couple of months ago. I was listening to a hearing going on at the Colorado state house about a Bill. Will that would allow people to carry guns on school grounds? These types of discussions are going on around the country..